From ietf-secretariat@ietf.org Fri Apr 13 07:40:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9D9F21F872F; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 07:40:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7Jz1p5BUGyST; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 07:40:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46F7C21F868A; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 07:40:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: IETF Secretariat To: IETF Announcement List X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.00 Message-ID: <20120413144032.17625.17457.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 07:40:32 -0700 Cc: Henning.Schulzrinne@fcc.gov, lmap@ietf.org Subject: [lmap] New Non-WG Mailing List: lmap -- Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:40:32 -0000 A new IETF non-working group email list has been created. List address: lmap@ietf.org Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/lmap/ To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lmap Purpose: This list is for discussing requirements, architectures, metrics, and protocols for measuring the performance and reliability of (mostly) residential and small-enterprise access links on a large scale. The discussions may lead to a BoF and eventual working group. For additional information, please contact the list administrators. From bortzmeyer@nic.fr Fri Apr 13 08:17:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 947D721F8741 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:17:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.049 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.049 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.200, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I08jfjUQrIJL for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:17:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.nic.fr (mx4.nic.fr [192.134.4.12]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B652821F872F for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:17:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.nic.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.nic.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 90E63280568 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:17:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mx4.nic.fr (Postfix, from userid 500) id 72D5628056E; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:17:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from relay2.nic.fr (relay2.nic.fr [IPv6:2001:67c:2218:9::4:163]) by mx4.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D319280568 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:17:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from bortzmeyer.nic.fr (batilda.nic.fr [IPv6:2001:67c:2219:8::6:69]) by relay2.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61E9BB38055 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:17:28 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:17:28 +0200 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: lmap@ietf.org Message-ID: <20120413151728.GA1201@nic.fr> References: <20120413144032.17625.17457.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120413144032.17625.17457.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux wheezy/sid X-Kernel: Linux 3.2.0-2-686-pae i686 Organization: NIC France X-URL: http://www.nic.fr/ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Bogosity: No, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000016, version=1.2.2 X-PMX-Version: 6.0.0.2142326, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.2107409, Antispam-Data: 2012.4.13.145726 X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=X, Probability=10%, Report=' TO_IN_SUBJECT 0.5, HTML_00_01 0.05, HTML_00_10 0.05, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_1000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_2000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_500_599 0, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS 0, __ANY_URI 0, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ 0, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT 0, __CD 0, __CT 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __TO_MALFORMED_2 0, __TO_NO_NAME 0, __URI_NO_PATH 0, __URI_NS , __USER_AGENT 0' Subject: Re: [lmap] New Non-WG Mailing List: lmap -- Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:17:55 -0000 On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 07:40:32AM -0700, IETF Secretariat wrote a message of 13 lines which said: > Purpose: This list is for discussing requirements, architectures, > metrics, and protocols for measuring the performance and reliability > of (mostly) residential and small-enterprise access links on a large > scale. Is there a more detailed description somewhere? Is it related to things like the European Commission's use of the SamKnows probes ? From Henning.Schulzrinne@fcc.gov Fri Apr 13 08:42:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26CF821F8592; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:42:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id femroTxxO-S5; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:42:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dmz-mail2.fcc.gov (dmz-mail2.fcc.gov [192.104.54.11]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73BD821F8585; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:42:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from P2PXMB13.fccnet.win.fcc.gov ([fe80::6593:6526:65f8:66b7]) by p2pxcas01.fccnet.win.fcc.gov ([fe80::1d27:de47:ad2e:9062%13]) with mapi id 14.01.0218.012; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 11:42:20 -0400 From: Henning Schulzrinne To: "ietf@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: New Non-WG Mailing List: lmap -- Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance Thread-Index: AQHNGYNlRxiTdImVnEihvyXRmJTbhpaY4zkO Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:42:20 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20120413144032.17625.17457.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20120413144032.17625.17457.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [192.104.54.63] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "lmap@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [lmap] New Non-WG Mailing List: lmap -- Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:42:26 -0000 I will be providing more details and background shortly, but in short, this= is motivated by the FCC "Measuring Broadband America" effort (http://www.f= cc.gov/measuring-broadband-america). The goal is to provide consumers and s= ervice providers with better information about broadband (access) performan= ce. Such measurements can inform public policy, facilitate informed consume= r choice of broadband providers, and allow debugging of performance issues.= =0A= =0A= Please join the discussion on the list if you're interested in this topic.= =0A= =0A= Henning=0A= ________________________________________=0A= From: IETF Secretariat [ietf-secretariat@ietf.org]=0A= Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 10:40 AM=0A= To: IETF Announcement List=0A= Cc: lmap@ietf.org; Henning Schulzrinne=0A= Subject: New Non-WG Mailing List: lmap -- Large Scale Measurement of Access= network Performance=0A= =0A= A new IETF non-working group email list has been created.=0A= =0A= List address: lmap@ietf.org=0A= Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/lmap/=0A= To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lmap=0A= =0A= Purpose: This list is for discussing requirements, architectures, metrics,= =0A= and protocols for measuring the performance and reliability of=0A= (mostly) residential and small-enterprise access links on a large=0A= scale. The discussions may lead to a BoF and eventual working group.=0A= =0A= For additional information, please contact the list administrators.=0A=