From nobody Mon May 4 18:46:39 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36EFB1B2D6A; Mon, 4 May 2015 18:46:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.912 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.912 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FJy9aR-67HCz; Mon, 4 May 2015 18:46:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [IPv6:2001:1900:3001:11::31]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B4D71B2D5F; Mon, 4 May 2015 18:46:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id C404518046D; Mon, 4 May 2015 18:45:14 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org X-PHP-Originating-Script: 6000:ams_util_lib.php From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Message-Id: <20150505014514.C404518046D@rfc-editor.org> Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 18:45:14 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: Cc: drafts-update-ref@iana.org, lmap@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [lmap] RFC 7536 on Large-Scale Broadband Measurement Use Cases X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 May 2015 01:46:36 -0000 A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 7536 Title: Large-Scale Broadband Measurement Use Cases Author: M. Linsner, P. Eardley, T. Burbridge, F. Sorensen Status: Informational Stream: IETF Date: May 2015 Mailbox: mlinsner@cisco.com, philip.eardley@bt.com, trevor.burbridge@bt.com, frode.sorensen@nkom.no Pages: 17 Characters: 41039 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-lmap-use-cases-06.txt URL: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc7536 Measuring broadband performance on a large scale is important for network diagnostics by providers and users, as well as for public policy. Understanding the various scenarios and users of measuring broadband performance is essential to development of the Large-scale Measurement of Broadband Performance (LMAP) framework, information model, and protocol. This document details two use cases that can assist in developing that framework. The details of the measurement metrics themselves are beyond the scope of this document. 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The RFC Editor Team Association Management Solutions, LLC From nobody Mon May 4 23:14:19 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ACF11B2E65 for ; Mon, 4 May 2015 23:14:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.909 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.909 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mpNHP3d7Alj5 for ; Mon, 4 May 2015 23:14:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p-us1-iereast-outbound.us1.avaya.com (p-us1-iereast-outbound.us1.avaya.com [135.11.29.13]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4679C1B2E5A for ; Mon, 4 May 2015 23:14:14 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvEFAIReSFWHCzIm/2dsb2JhbABcgkUhJlNcBbQIBoM/jX2BYB8BCYYFAoE5TAEBAQEBAYELhCABAQEBAxILEFwCAQgNBAQBAQsdBzIUCQgBAQQTCAEZiAkBDKc6nhwBAQEBAQEEAQEBAQEBAQEBARiGF4UihDMBAR83AYItTR2BFgWSDYQRh2U9gxWCZ4pvg1IjYIEnHIFRbwGBCjmBAQEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.13,370,1427774400"; d="scan'208,217";a="118822920" Received: from unknown (HELO p-us1-erheast-smtpauth.us1.avaya.com) ([135.11.50.38]) by p-us1-iereast-outbound.us1.avaya.com with ESMTP; 05 May 2015 02:14:12 -0400 X-OutboundMail_SMTP: 1 Received: from unknown (HELO AZ-FFEXHC04.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.58.14]) by p-us1-erheast-out.us1.avaya.com with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 05 May 2015 02:14:13 -0400 Received: from AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com ([fe80::6db7:b0af:8480:c126]) by AZ-FFEXHC04.global.avaya.com ([135.64.58.14]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Tue, 5 May 2015 08:14:11 +0200 From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "lmap@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: call for agenda items for the 5/11 LMAP WG interim meeting Thread-Index: AdCDTQ+wySFrYiT2R3iQzIiCn/P/OgDrPgvw Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 06:14:12 +0000 Message-ID: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5CA221FF@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> References: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5CA14B07@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> In-Reply-To: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5CA14B07@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.64.58.48] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5CA221FFAZFFEXMB04globa_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [lmap] call for agenda items for the 5/11 LMAP WG interim meeting X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 May 2015 06:14:17 -0000 --_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5CA221FFAZFFEXMB04globa_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I am a little surprised that I did not see any requests and proposals in an= swer to this mail. Are folks ready for the meeting on Monday? What will be = the agenda? Since IETF 92 the Information Model I-D was updated, the YANG I-D was submi= tted as WG item http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lmap-yang/ and = we also started a thread on the list on next steps for the information and = data model http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/lmap/current/msg02087.html.= Will these be on the agenda? Who leads the discussion - Juergen? Other items? Thanks and Regards, Dan From: lmap [mailto:lmap-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan (Dan) Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 4:54 PM To: lmap@ietf.org Subject: [lmap] call for agenda items for the 5/11 LMAP WG interim meeting Hi, The LMAP WG interim is scheduled for Monday 5/11 at 1PM EDT. Please send to Jason and me your requests for agenda items including the to= pic and requested amount of time. Thanks and Regards, Dan --_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5CA221FFAZFFEXMB04globa_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,<= /p>

 

I am a little surprise= d that I did not see any requests and proposals in answer to this mail. Are= folks ready for the meeting on Monday? What will be the agenda?

 

Since IETF 92 the Info= rmation Model I-D was updated, the YANG I-D was submitted as WG item http://da= tatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lmap-yang/  and we also started = a thread on the list on next steps for the information and data model http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/lmap/current/msg02087.html. Will = these be on the agenda? Who leads the discussion – Juergen?

 

Other items?

 

Thanks and Regards,

 

Dan<= /p>

 

 

From: lmap [ma= ilto:lmap-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 4:54 PM
To: lmap@ietf.org
Subject: [lmap] call for agenda items for the 5/11 LMAP WG interim m= eeting

 

Hi,

 

The LMAP WG interim is scheduled for Monday 5/11 at = 1PM EDT.

 

Please send to Jason and me your requests for agenda= items including the topic and requested amount of time.

 

Thanks and Regards,

 

Dan

 

--_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5CA221FFAZFFEXMB04globa_-- From nobody Mon May 4 23:48:36 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A702D1B2E17 for ; Mon, 4 May 2015 23:48:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.86 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.86 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lMXtobrSEl1T for ; Mon, 4 May 2015 23:48:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de (atlas3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 29B071B2E98 for ; Mon, 4 May 2015 23:48:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A58EF8DC; Tue, 5 May 2015 08:48:29 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de ([10.70.0.220]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10030) with ESMTP id SS-8JPGxJ5xn; Tue, 5 May 2015 08:48:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hermes.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "Jacobs University CA - G01" (verified OK)) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Tue, 5 May 2015 08:48:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (demetrius3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.48]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3B242002B; Tue, 5 May 2015 08:48:28 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Yi78bIwToLJ8; Tue, 5 May 2015 08:48:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49F3520013; Tue, 5 May 2015 08:48:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id DDFF23304AEF; Tue, 5 May 2015 08:48:26 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 08:48:26 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" Message-ID: <20150505064826.GA65905@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" , "lmap@ietf.org" References: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5CA14B07@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5CA221FF@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5CA221FF@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Archived-At: Cc: "lmap@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [lmap] call for agenda items for the 5/11 LMAP WG interim meeting X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 May 2015 06:48:33 -0000 On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 06:14:12AM +0000, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: > > Since IETF 92 the Information Model I-D was updated, the YANG I-D was submitted as WG item http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lmap-yang/ and we also started a thread on the list on next steps for the information and data model http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/lmap/current/msg02087.html. Will these be on the agenda? Who leads the discussion - Juergen? > Dan, I am not too interested to explain in a live chat again what has been sent to the mailing list already - I find that not very effective use of my time. If people have questions, I am can try to answer them. But then ideally those questions would be sent to the list before the meeting. That said, one of my students, Vlad Ungureanu has been working on an implementation of the data model. The source code is meanwhile public: http://ungureanuvladvictor.github.io/lmapd/ If there is interest, I can ask Vlad to explain demo what his lmapd implementation does. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Mon May 4 23:54:27 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0B5E1B2EA4 for ; Mon, 4 May 2015 23:54:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ljl0SJPryW3n for ; Mon, 4 May 2015 23:54:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p-us1-iereast-outbound.us1.avaya.com (p-us1-iereast-outbound.us1.avaya.com [135.11.29.13]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D4D21B2EA1 for ; Mon, 4 May 2015 23:54:21 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhUFALFnSFXGmAcV/2dsb2JhbABZA4JmJlNcBbN2EgaTRYYFAoEwTAEBAQEBAYELhCABAQEBAxILHTQLDAICAgEIDQECAQQBAQEKFAkHGxcUCQgBAQQOBQgaiAkBDKcBnhoBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEXBIYThSKEVCEQBwYLgwaBFgWSDYQRh2U9gxWCZ45BI2CBJxyBUW8BgUOBAQEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.13,371,1427774400"; d="scan'208";a="118825471" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest-exch.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.21]) by p-us1-iereast-outbound.us1.avaya.com with ESMTP; 05 May 2015 02:54:19 -0400 X-OutboundMail_SMTP: 1 Received: from unknown (HELO AZ-FFEXHC01.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.58.11]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 05 May 2015 02:54:19 -0400 Received: from AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com ([fe80::6db7:b0af:8480:c126]) by AZ-FFEXHC01.global.avaya.com ([135.64.58.11]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Tue, 5 May 2015 08:54:18 +0200 From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: Juergen Schoenwaelder Thread-Topic: [lmap] call for agenda items for the 5/11 LMAP WG interim meeting Thread-Index: AdCDTQ+wySFrYiT2R3iQzIiCn/P/OgDrPgvwAAm+9wAACEDYsA== Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 06:54:18 +0000 Message-ID: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5CA22269@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> References: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5CA14B07@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5CA221FF@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> <20150505064826.GA65905@elstar.local> In-Reply-To: <20150505064826.GA65905@elstar.local> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.64.58.48] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "lmap@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [lmap] call for agenda items for the 5/11 LMAP WG interim meeting X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 May 2015 06:54:26 -0000 I agree.=20 So, in the meantime the agenda looks like this:=20 1. Note Well, Note Takers, Jabber Scribes, Agenda Bashing - Chairs (5 min) 2. WG Status - Chairs (5 min) 3. Q&A on the Information and Data models - Juergen (time depends on questi= ons - please send in advance) 4. lmapd implementation - Vlad (15 min) Regards, Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs- > university.de] > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 9:48 AM > To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > Cc: lmap@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [lmap] call for agenda items for the 5/11 LMAP WG interim > meeting >=20 > On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 06:14:12AM +0000, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: > > > > Since IETF 92 the Information Model I-D was updated, the YANG I-D was > submitted as WG item https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttp- > 3A__datatracker.ietf.org_doc_draft-2Dietf-2Dlmap- > 2Dyang_&d=3DAwIBAg&c=3DBFpWQw8bsuKpl1SgiZH64Q&r=3DI4dzGxR31OcNXCJfQ > zvlsiLQfucBXRucPvdrphpBsFA&m=3DSe4fBRBPSSbUYMuJfBX9O2_emnyDA5q5c > yGQrNlxbPo&s=3D7nF6GGfduO8HD-zp6HtqjryDxoICigftB5r36Wd1Re0&e=3D and > we also started a thread on the list on next steps for the information an= d > data model https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttp- > 3A__www.ietf.org_mail- > 2Darchive_web_lmap_current_msg02087.html&d=3DAwIBAg&c=3DBFpWQw8bsu > Kpl1SgiZH64Q&r=3DI4dzGxR31OcNXCJfQzvlsiLQfucBXRucPvdrphpBsFA&m=3DSe4f > BRBPSSbUYMuJfBX9O2_emnyDA5q5cyGQrNlxbPo&s=3Dhsdq8hOhOju2BuESgj > DszBry-uL7CfuBn7kQOIsr34k&e=3D . Will these be on the agenda? Who leads > the discussion - Juergen? > > >=20 > Dan, >=20 > I am not too interested to explain in a live chat again what has been sen= t to > the mailing list already - I find that not very effective use of my time.= If > people have questions, I am can try to answer them. But then ideally thos= e > questions would be sent to the list before the meeting. >=20 > That said, one of my students, Vlad Ungureanu has been working on an > implementation of the data model. The source code is meanwhile public: >=20 > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttp- > 3A__ungureanuvladvictor.github.io_lmapd_&d=3DAwIBAg&c=3DBFpWQw8bsuKp > l1SgiZH64Q&r=3DI4dzGxR31OcNXCJfQzvlsiLQfucBXRucPvdrphpBsFA&m=3DSe4fBR > BPSSbUYMuJfBX9O2_emnyDA5q5cyGQrNlxbPo&s=3DSHutID25jWL_5VeGvBJH > heFnWY2IgxmLjM1dA_RpGdw&e=3D >=20 > If there is interest, I can ask Vlad to explain demo what his lmapd > implementation does. >=20 > /js >=20 > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 > 2Duniversity.de_&d=3DAwIBAg&c=3DBFpWQw8bsuKpl1SgiZH64Q&r=3DI4dzGxR31O > cNXCJfQzvlsiLQfucBXRucPvdrphpBsFA&m=3DSe4fBRBPSSbUYMuJfBX9O2_emn > yDA5q5cyGQrNlxbPo&s=3DkW36fV831AmxOtOaCG1nFZ35ZnDNdMd1ZgUqrG_ > wRew&e=3D > From nobody Wed May 6 02:07:21 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C09A71A1B62 for ; Wed, 6 May 2015 02:07:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HK_RANDOM_ENVFROM=0.001, HK_RANDOM_FROM=1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rdrRnX2WDF87 for ; Wed, 6 May 2015 02:07:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SNT004-OMC3S20.hotmail.com (snt004-omc3s20.hotmail.com [65.55.90.159]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 71EA31AC436 for ; Wed, 6 May 2015 02:07:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SNT407-EAS179 ([65.55.90.135]) by SNT004-OMC3S20.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Wed, 6 May 2015 02:07:11 -0700 X-TMN: [ickG581wmR4IHhXk1XREh2ChFpr7kebo] X-Originating-Email: [cmccvic@outlook.com] Message-ID: From: "Vic Liu(CMCC)" To: "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" , Date: Wed, 6 May 2015 17:09:45 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 15.0 Thread-Index: AdCH2/UDxyQCwP2JTbyd47dftUm6JA== Content-Language: zh-cn X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 May 2015 09:07:11.0012 (UTC) FILETIME=[092B1E40:01D087DC] Archived-At: Subject: [lmap] New Version Notification for draft-liu-lmap-rest-03.txt X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 May 2015 09:07:20 -0000 Dear Dan and Work Group We've upload the protocol draft of LMAP. Please kindly have a review. In this draft we update the protocol using YANG model and modify the = rest-style to RESTconf along with the protocol code implementations.=20 Hope we can discuss in 5/11 meeting.=20 All the Best! Vic -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6----- =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: internet-drafts@ietf.org = [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org]=20 =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2015=E5=B9=B45=E6=9C=886=E6=97=A5, = =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=B8=89 17:02 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Dapeng Liu; Vic Liu; Cathy Li; Shu Liu; = Deng Lingli; Shu Liu; Lingli Deng; Dapeng Liu; Cathy Li; vic =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: New Version Notification for = draft-liu-lmap-rest-03.txt A new version of I-D, draft-liu-lmap-rest-03.txt has been successfully = submitted by Vic Liu and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-liu-lmap-rest Revision: 03 Title: REST Style Large MeAsurement Platform Protocol Document date: 2015-05-06 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 46 URL: = https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-liu-lmap-rest-03.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-liu-lmap-rest/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-liu-lmap-rest-03 Diff: = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-liu-lmap-rest-03 Abstract: This document defines and implements a LMAP protocol based on YANG Model and Rest-style http for control and report in Large Scale Performance Measurement (LMAP). = =20 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at = tools.ietf.org. 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Wed, 6 May 2015 11:39:26 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 6 May 2015 11:39:26 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: "Vic Liu(CMCC)" Message-ID: <20150506093924.GA3112@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: "Vic Liu(CMCC)" , "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" , lmap@ietf.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Archived-At: Cc: "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" , lmap@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lmap] New Version Notification for draft-liu-lmap-rest-03.txt X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 May 2015 09:39:39 -0000 On Wed, May 06, 2015 at 05:09:45PM +0800, Vic Liu(CMCC) wrote: > Dear Dan and Work Group > > We've upload the protocol draft of LMAP. Please kindly have a review. > In this draft we update the protocol using YANG model and modify the rest-style to RESTconf along with the protocol code implementations. > Hope we can discuss in 5/11 meeting. > Can you explain how the YANG fragments embedded in your I-D differ from draft-ietf-lmap-yang-00.txt? Is this just material copied from the YANG LMAP I-D with descriptions removed and then somewhat modified? I do not know how to parse this statement: Some work can refer to [[I-D.ietf-lmap-yang-00]]. Unfortunately, there are no description clauses in your YANG fragments Also for the protocol, can you explain how this relates to RESTCONF? Are you proposing to use (i) something like RESTCONF or (ii) a subset of RESTCONF or (iii) simply RESTCONF? From looking at the document, it seems you propose (i) (why would you otherwise go into the details of defining response codes, something that RESTCONF already takes care of; and I also note that you do not reference RESTCONF at all). I like to see some clear technical arguments for the following two questions: - Why do you think RESTCONF can't be used as is? - Why do you think the YANG data model for LMAP can't be used as is. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Wed May 6 03:06:28 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57DA61ACE05 for ; Wed, 6 May 2015 03:06:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QdbuSx2Bmaaa for ; Wed, 6 May 2015 03:06:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com (co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.13.100]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C39AB1ACE01 for ; Wed, 6 May 2015 03:06:25 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AloFADnmSVXGmAcV/2dsb2JhbABcgmYmU1wFs2gBAQEJkz+GDQKBKEwBAQEBAQGBC4QgAQEBAQMSKEsEAgEIDQQDAQEBCxQJBzIUBwEBBQMCBBMIGogKAaV7nlEBAQEBBgEBAQEBAQEBGoYXhSKBPYJ0IzgGgxGBFgWSJYQUh2g9hgaHEoc/I2CDFW+BCzmBAQEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.13,379,1427774400"; d="scan'208";a="115155326" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest-exch.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.21]) by co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 06 May 2015 06:06:24 -0400 X-OutboundMail_SMTP: 1 Received: from unknown (HELO AZ-FFEXHC03.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.58.13]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 06 May 2015 06:06:24 -0400 Received: from AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com ([fe80::6db7:b0af:8480:c126]) by AZ-FFEXHC03.global.avaya.com ([135.64.58.13]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Wed, 6 May 2015 06:06:22 -0400 From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "lmap@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [lmap] RFC 7536 on Large-Scale Broadband Measurement Use Cases Thread-Index: AQHQhtVzxh8oNc4zzE+LAc0d3bwVhJ1uupnA Date: Wed, 6 May 2015 10:06:23 +0000 Message-ID: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5CA232DB@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> References: <20150505014514.C404518046D@rfc-editor.org> In-Reply-To: <20150505014514.C404518046D@rfc-editor.org> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.64.58.48] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [lmap] FW: RFC 7536 on Large-Scale Broadband Measurement Use Cases X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 May 2015 10:06:27 -0000 Special thanks to the authors, congratulations to all the contributors and = the WG participants! Regards, Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: lmap [mailto:lmap-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of rfc-editor@rfc- > editor.org > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 4:45 AM > To: ietf-announce@ietf.org; rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org > Cc: drafts-update-ref@iana.org; lmap@ietf.org; rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org > Subject: [lmap] RFC 7536 on Large-Scale Broadband Measurement Use Cases >=20 > A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. >=20 >=20 > RFC 7536 >=20 > Title: Large-Scale Broadband Measurement Use Cases > Author: M. Linsner, P. Eardley, > T. Burbridge, F. Sorensen > Status: Informational > Stream: IETF > Date: May 2015 > Mailbox: mlinsner@cisco.com, > philip.eardley@bt.com, > trevor.burbridge@bt.com, > frode.sorensen@nkom.no > Pages: 17 > Characters: 41039 > Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None >=20 > I-D Tag: draft-ietf-lmap-use-cases-06.txt >=20 From nobody Thu May 7 03:48:40 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F5301A1B03 for ; Thu, 7 May 2015 03:48:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.909 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.909 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sCjonCCzKBXx for ; Thu, 7 May 2015 03:48:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com (de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.71.100]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B047A1A1ADA for ; Thu, 7 May 2015 03:48:37 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApwIAH9CS1XGmAcV/2dsb2JhbABcgkUhJlRks2MBAQEBAQEGk0mGAwKBLUwBAQEBAQGBC4QiAQEDEhteAQwJFVYmAQQbGogKAQyiO4UInXsBCgEBARoEhheJdi2DIoEWBZIoi3yDVoJtjlIjYYMVgjOBAQEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.13,384,1427774400"; d="scan'208,217";a="101623218" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest-exch.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.21]) by de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 07 May 2015 06:48:34 -0400 X-OutboundMail_SMTP: 1 Received: from unknown (HELO AZ-FFEXHC02.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.58.12]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 07 May 2015 06:48:34 -0400 Received: from AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com ([fe80::6db7:b0af:8480:c126]) by AZ-FFEXHC02.global.avaya.com ([135.64.58.12]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Thu, 7 May 2015 12:48:32 +0200 From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "lmap@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: preliminary agenda for the LMAP WG interim meeting Thread-Index: AdCIs1uBVsH/Xo2NQDGnUmwB3eFthQ== Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 10:48:32 +0000 Message-ID: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5CA25803@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.64.58.47] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5CA25803AZFFEXMB04globa_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [lmap] preliminary agenda for the LMAP WG interim meeting X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 May 2015 10:48:39 -0000 --_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5CA25803AZFFEXMB04globa_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I uploaded the preliminary agenda of the interim meeting of the LMAP WG at = https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2015/05/11/lmap/agenda/agenda-inte= rim-2015-lmap-2. The meeting will start on Monday May 11, at 1PM EDT. We need two volunteers to take notes that will help us publish the meeting = minutes. Please consider volunteering. Regards, Dan --_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5CA25803AZFFEXMB04globa_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

I uploaded the preliminary agenda of the interim mee= ting of the LMAP WG at https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2015/05/11/lmap/agenda/agenda-inte= rim-2015-lmap-2.

 

The meeting will start on Monday May 11, at 1PM EDT.=

 

We need two volunteers to take notes that will help = us publish the meeting minutes. Please consider volunteering.

 

Regards,

 

Dan

 

--_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5CA25803AZFFEXMB04globa_-- From nobody Sat May 9 23:51:07 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A85AE1A036F for ; Sat, 9 May 2015 23:51:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.66 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.66 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, J_CHICKENPOX_55=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_65=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p4UpRLeWlVZ8 for ; Sat, 9 May 2015 23:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de (atlas3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 44ED11A036E for ; Sat, 9 May 2015 23:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B2941286; Sun, 10 May 2015 08:51:02 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de ([10.70.0.220]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10030) with ESMTP id LRevBI0Yxm1z; Sun, 10 May 2015 08:50:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hermes.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "Jacobs University CA - G01" (verified OK)) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Sun, 10 May 2015 08:51:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.49]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 304FC2002B; Sun, 10 May 2015 08:51:01 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d7F0tVrB-JWD; Sun, 10 May 2015 08:51:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0788920013; Sun, 10 May 2015 08:50:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 9F0FD330CA3D; Sun, 10 May 2015 08:50:58 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 08:50:57 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: "Vic Liu(CMCC)" Message-ID: <20150510065057.GA20579@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: "Vic Liu(CMCC)" , "'Romascanu, Dan (Dan)'" , lmap@ietf.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Archived-At: Cc: "'Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)'" , lmap@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lmap] New Version Notification for draft-liu-lmap-rest-03.txt X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 06:51:06 -0000 On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 02:20:21PM +0800, Vic Liu(CMCC) wrote: > Hi Dear Juergen > > Thank you very much for your comment and question. > For your question about YANG: > In July 2014, we submitted the draft using Rest-style http and Json > for the LMAP protocol draft and we ran demo afterwards. The JSON formats are > follow the working group information model. As the discuss going on and well > in our working group, YANG model is accepted by theWG(which is your draft > [draft-ietf-lmap-yang-00], and it’s really an amazing work I have to say) > and we start to follow the working group and add YANG model. We add YANG > also follow the information model. (The YANG Model here is more like a > schema and real data is still JSON.) > We realized your question that it's not well format as the > [draft-ietf-lmap-yang-00] because We find out that some definition of > parameters are different between the information model draft and YANG model > draft. So that's also our question to the working group that we think it > should have the same definition of parameter of both two draft. Please tell us where you think the YANG data model and the information model are not consistent. Give us details. I am not going through some other YANG model that does not even have descriptions to search for possible differences. > For your second about RESTCONF: > Firstly we do have to apologized for not reference RESTCONF draft, > it's a big mistake and we'll add the reference ASAP in the next update(Sorry > for the careless). The answer for your statement can be the second one, a > subset of RESTconf, because firstly to achieve YANG model transit, the > Restconf is the one to do it easily. Secondly, because of the previous draft > is based on Rest-style http, it's not so different to change it to REST > conf. Please explain why you think a subset of RESTCONF should be defined and why simply using RESTCONF is not feasible. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Sun May 10 21:48:43 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 706551A0018 for ; Sun, 10 May 2015 21:48:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 3.601 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HK_RANDOM_ENVFROM=0.001, HK_RANDOM_FROM=1, J_CHICKENPOX_44=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_55=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_65=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0QD_39Yd8xkn for ; Sun, 10 May 2015 21:48:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SNT004-OMC3S5.hotmail.com (snt004-omc3s5.hotmail.com [65.55.90.144]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 665B71A000F for ; Sun, 10 May 2015 21:48:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SNT407-EAS29 ([65.55.90.135]) by SNT004-OMC3S5.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Sun, 10 May 2015 21:48:38 -0700 X-TMN: [yCcBMBDqT+JB6VNkBzRAhScwcZ5o76Kt] X-Originating-Email: [cmccvic@outlook.com] Message-ID: From: "Vic Liu(CMCC)" To: "'Juergen Schoenwaelder'" Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 12:51:16 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 15.0 Thread-Index: AdCLph0L/Qoh4Wn8QaqiG86joFfrmw== Content-Language: zh-cn X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 May 2015 04:48:38.0475 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF0A91B0:01D08BA5] Archived-At: Cc: "'Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)'" , lmap@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lmap] New Version Notification for draft-liu-lmap-rest-03.txt X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 04:48:41 -0000 Hi Dear Juergen 1)For one example: in Information Model of Report: (Four element are defined) object { datetime ma-report-date; [uuid ma-report-agent-id;] [string ma-report-group-id;] [ma-report-task-obj ma-report-tasks<0..*>]; } ma-report-obj; In the data model, there are two questions, firstly the four element is = not defined as the same name as information model. Secondly, the ro = header and re raw is not defined in information model. +---n report +--ro date yang:date-and-time +--ro agent-id? yang:uuid +--ro group-id? string +--ro task* [name] | +--ro name string | +--ro (task-identification) | | +--:(registry) | | | +--ro registry? inet:uri | | +--:(program) | | +--ro program? string | +--ro option* [name] | | +--ro name string | | +--ro value? string | +--ro tag* string | +--ro suppress-by-default? boolean +--ro header | +--ro column* string +--ro row* +--ro start yang:date-and-time +--ro end? yang:date-and-time +--ro conflict* string +--ro value* string 2)What I mean the subset of RESTconf is that we used PUT/POST/GET = function which is subset of all RESTconf function.=20 Thank you! BTW, I didn't see how to join tomorrow's meeting, there is no VoIP = number? ALL THE BEST! -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -------------------- Vic Liu China Mobile Research Network Dept. Mobile: +86- 13810761678 Email: liuzhiheng@chinamobile.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -------------------- =E3=80=8C=E6=A2=A6=E3=81=AF=E9=80=83=E3=81=92=E3=81=AA=E3=81=84=E3=80=81=E9= =80=83=E3=81=92=E3=82=8B=E3=81=AE=E3=81=AF=E3=81=84=E3=81=A4=E3=82=82=E8=87= =AA=E5=88=86=E3=81=A0=E3=80=8D -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6----- =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: lmap [mailto:lmap-bounces@ietf.org] = =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Juergen Schoenwaelder =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: = 2015=E5=B9=B45=E6=9C=8810=E6=97=A5, =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E6=97=A5 14:51 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Vic Liu(CMCC) =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: 'Romascanu, Dan (Dan)'; lmap@ietf.org =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [lmap] New Version Notification for = draft-liu-lmap-rest-03.txt On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 02:20:21PM +0800, Vic Liu(CMCC) wrote: > Hi Dear Juergen >=20 > Thank you very much for your comment and question. > For your question about YANG: > In July 2014, we submitted the draft using Rest-style http and Json=20 > for the LMAP protocol draft and we ran demo afterwards. The JSON=20 > formats are follow the working group information model. As the discuss = > going on and well in our working group, YANG model is accepted by=20 > theWG(which is your draft [draft-ietf-lmap-yang-00], and it=E2=80=99s = really=20 > an amazing work I have to say) and we start to follow the working=20 > group and add YANG model. We add YANG also follow the information=20 > model. (The YANG Model here is more like a schema and real data is = still JSON.) > We realized your question that it's not well format as the=20 > [draft-ietf-lmap-yang-00] because We find out that some definition of=20 > parameters are different between the information model draft and YANG=20 > model draft. So that's also our question to the working group that we=20 > think it should have the same definition of parameter of both two = draft. Please tell us where you think the YANG data model and the information = model are not consistent. Give us details. I am not going through some = other YANG model that does not even have descriptions to search for = possible differences. =20 > For your second about RESTCONF: > Firstly we do have to apologized for not reference RESTCONF draft,=20 > it's a big mistake and we'll add the reference ASAP in the next=20 > update(Sorry for the careless). The answer for your statement can be=20 > the second one, a subset of RESTconf, because firstly to achieve YANG=20 > model transit, the Restconf is the one to do it easily. Secondly,=20 > because of the previous draft is based on Rest-style http, it's not so = > different to change it to REST conf. Please explain why you think a subset of RESTCONF should be defined and = why simply using RESTCONF is not feasible. /js --=20 Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 _______________________________________________ lmap mailing list lmap@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lmap From nobody Sun May 10 22:50:06 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04F411A1AD3 for ; Sun, 10 May 2015 22:50:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.26 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.26 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, J_CHICKENPOX_44=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cTQfH-8gbAze for ; Sun, 10 May 2015 22:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de (atlas3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9F4EF1A1AAE for ; Sun, 10 May 2015 22:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 349E6100C; Mon, 11 May 2015 07:50:01 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de ([10.70.0.220]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10030) with ESMTP id aT4t45qm1gRO; Mon, 11 May 2015 07:50:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hermes.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "Jacobs University CA - G01" (verified OK)) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Mon, 11 May 2015 07:50:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.49]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 389702002B; Mon, 11 May 2015 07:50:00 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0cTfUkj8pt2j; Mon, 11 May 2015 07:49:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2571620013; Mon, 11 May 2015 07:49:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 4913B330D2B9; Mon, 11 May 2015 07:49:58 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 07:49:58 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: "Vic Liu(CMCC)" Message-ID: <20150511054957.GA22696@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: "Vic Liu(CMCC)" , "'Romascanu, Dan (Dan)'" , lmap@ietf.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Archived-At: Cc: "'Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)'" , lmap@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lmap] New Version Notification for draft-liu-lmap-rest-03.txt X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 05:50:05 -0000 On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:51:16PM +0800, Vic Liu(CMCC) wrote: > Hi Dear Juergen > > 1)For one example: > in Information Model of Report: (Four element are defined) > object { > datetime ma-report-date; > [uuid ma-report-agent-id;] > [string ma-report-group-id;] > [ma-report-task-obj ma-report-tasks<0..*>]; > } ma-report-obj; > > In the data model, there are two questions, firstly the four element is not defined as the same name as information model. There is no requirement that the same name is used. That said, I think > +---n report > +--ro date yang:date-and-time > +--ro agent-id? yang:uuid > +--ro group-id? string > +--ro task* [name] is a very close match. > Secondly, the ro header and re raw is not defined in information model. Yes, but there is no requirement that there must be a 1:1 translation. We found that separating header information from row information adds clarity. Note also that the result rows are actually in a separate ma-report-row-obj; so I could argue that for rows the separation is even in the information model. > 2)What I mean the subset of RESTconf is that we used PUT/POST/GET function which is subset of all RESTconf function. You need to provide a reason why this is useful. For example, leaving out HEAD is I think a major problem. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Mon May 11 00:30:00 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9CC61A1BC6 for ; Mon, 11 May 2015 00:29:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.909 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.909 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RcJN3MOVgxe1 for ; Mon, 11 May 2015 00:29:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p-us1-iereast-outbound.us1.avaya.com (p-us1-iereast-outbound.us1.avaya.com [135.11.29.13]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D75D1A1BA7 for ; Mon, 11 May 2015 00:29:57 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApQHAGlZUFXGmAcV/2dsb2JhbABcgkUhKSMxXgayXQwBAQEBAQEGkzEbAQuGAwKBIkwBAQEBAQGBC4QiAQEDEhteAQwJFVYmAQQbARmICgEMpAeFCJ1qCwEBAR6GFoUjhDMBAR8tgjgMQR2BFgWSPZJShFOKFSNhgxZvAYELOYEBAQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.13,405,1427774400"; d="scan'208,217";a="119801050" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest-exch.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.21]) by p-us1-iereast-outbound.us1.avaya.com with ESMTP; 11 May 2015 03:24:05 -0400 X-OutboundMail_SMTP: 1 Received: from unknown (HELO AZ-FFEXHC02.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.58.12]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 11 May 2015 03:24:05 -0400 Received: from AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com ([fe80::6db7:b0af:8480:c126]) by AZ-FFEXHC02.global.avaya.com ([135.64.58.12]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Mon, 11 May 2015 09:24:03 +0200 From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "lmap@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: REMINDER: LMAP WG Interim Meeting Today Thread-Index: AdCLu3SLVxfdRDP+RM2Nf17KB7O/Sw== Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 07:24:04 +0000 Message-ID: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5CA275AA@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.64.58.47] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5CA275AAAZFFEXMB04globa_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [lmap] REMINDER: LMAP WG Interim Meeting Today X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 07:29:59 -0000 --_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5CA275AAAZFFEXMB04globa_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, This is a reminder that the LMAP WG interim meeting is scheduled for today = 1-3PM EDT. More meeting information is available in the secretariat announcement at ht= tp://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/lmap/current/msg02092.html. The preliminary agenda is available at https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/int= erim/2015/05/11/lmap/agenda/agenda-interim-2015-lmap-2. We still need two volunteers to take notes. Thanks and Regards, Dan --_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5CA275AAAZFFEXMB04globa_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

This is a reminder that the LMAP WG interim meeting = is scheduled for today 1-3PM EDT.

 

More meeting information is available in the secreta= riat announcement at http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/lmap/current/msg02092.html.

 

The preliminary agenda is available at https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2= 015/05/11/lmap/agenda/agenda-interim-2015-lmap-2.

 

We still need two volunteers to take notes.

 

Thanks and Regards,


Dan

 

--_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5CA275AAAZFFEXMB04globa_-- From nobody Mon May 11 01:12:53 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1D1B1A3BA7 for ; Mon, 11 May 2015 01:12:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.49 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.49 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, CN_BODY_35=0.339, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HK_RANDOM_ENVFROM=0.001, HK_RANDOM_FROM=1, J_CHICKENPOX_44=0.6, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kM_dQEIdw4Q8 for ; Mon, 11 May 2015 01:12:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SNT004-OMC3S33.hotmail.com (snt004-omc3s33.hotmail.com [65.55.90.172]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B42C1A0382 for ; Mon, 11 May 2015 01:12:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SNT407-EAS161 ([65.55.90.137]) by SNT004-OMC3S33.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Mon, 11 May 2015 01:12:49 -0700 X-TMN: [NOMeo+o8nNvy9Ns7dKXVaHWZiOp7BW3f] X-Originating-Email: [cmccvic@outlook.com] Message-ID: From: "Vic Liu(CMCC)" To: "'Juergen Schoenwaelder'" Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 16:15:27 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 15.0 Thread-Index: AdCLwljVT8ahyyt1RfKeZcnEDE0l2Q== Content-Language: zh-cn X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 May 2015 08:12:49.0244 (UTC) FILETIME=[451191C0:01D08BC2] Archived-At: Cc: "'Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)'" , lmap@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lmap] New Version Notification for draft-liu-lmap-rest-03.txt X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 08:12:52 -0000 Dear Juergon Please see inline. Thank you Vic -----=D3=CA=BC=FE=D4=AD=BC=FE----- =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: lmap [mailto:lmap-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED = Juergen Schoenwaelder =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2015=C4=EA5=D4=C211=C8=D5, =D0=C7=C6=DA=D2=BB = 13:50 =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Vic Liu(CMCC) =B3=AD=CB=CD: 'Romascanu, Dan (Dan)'; lmap@ietf.org =D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [lmap] New Version Notification for = draft-liu-lmap-rest-03.txt On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:51:16PM +0800, Vic Liu(CMCC) wrote: > Hi Dear Juergen >=20 > 1)For one example: > in Information Model of Report: (Four element are defined) > object { > datetime ma-report-date; > [uuid ma-report-agent-id;] > [string ma-report-group-id;] > [ma-report-task-obj ma-report-tasks<0..*>]; > } ma-report-obj; >=20 > In the data model, there are two questions, firstly the four element = is not defined as the same name as information model. There is no requirement that the same name is used. That said, I think > +---n report > +--ro date yang:date-and-time > +--ro agent-id? yang:uuid > +--ro group-id? string > +--ro task* [name] is a very close match. > Secondly, the ro header and re raw is not defined in information = model. Yes, but there is no requirement that there must be a 1:1 translation. = We found that separating header information from row information adds = clarity. Note also that the result rows are actually in a separate = ma-report-row-obj; so I could argue that for rows the separation is even in the information model. [(Vic:)we suggest that it should be that same of both information and = data model, because it's easier for people to understand and follow. :) ] =20 > 2)What I mean the subset of RESTconf is that we used PUT/POST/GET = function which is subset of all RESTconf function. You need to provide a reason why this is useful. For example, leaving = out HEAD is I think a major problem. [(Vic)I'm kind of confused that HEAD method is for retrieve the header. = I read the draft-ietf-netconf-restconf The access control behavior is enforced as if the method was GET instead of HEAD. The server MUST respond the same as if the method was GET instead of HEAD, except that no response message-body is included. Could you please explain for an HEAD example? Thank you!]=20 /js --=20 Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 _______________________________________________ lmap mailing list lmap@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lmap From nobody Mon May 11 02:00:45 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E20721A8700 for ; Mon, 11 May 2015 02:00:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.86 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.86 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yEhWgZgx9Kbq for ; Mon, 11 May 2015 02:00:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de (atlas3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 547681A86FD for ; Mon, 11 May 2015 02:00:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25453A45; Mon, 11 May 2015 11:00:41 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de ([10.70.0.220]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10030) with ESMTP id zeJzfElYMxIO; Mon, 11 May 2015 11:00:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hermes.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "Jacobs University CA - G01" (verified OK)) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Mon, 11 May 2015 11:00:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (demetrius3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.48]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 033852002C; Mon, 11 May 2015 11:00:40 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KCL9G6-TLcIM; Mon, 11 May 2015 11:00:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEFFF20013; Mon, 11 May 2015 11:00:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 1C3F0330D505; Mon, 11 May 2015 11:00:35 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 11:00:35 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: "Vic Liu(CMCC)" Message-ID: <20150511090034.GA23013@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: "Vic Liu(CMCC)" , "'Romascanu, Dan (Dan)'" , lmap@ietf.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Archived-At: Cc: "'Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)'" , lmap@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lmap] New Version Notification for draft-liu-lmap-rest-03.txt X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 09:00:45 -0000 On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 04:15:27PM +0800, Vic Liu(CMCC) wrote: > > Secondly, the ro header and re raw is not defined in information model. > > Yes, but there is no requirement that there must be a 1:1 translation. We > found that separating header information from row information adds clarity. > Note also that the result rows are actually in a separate ma-report-row-obj; > so I could argue that for rows the separation is even in the information > model. > > [(Vic:)we suggest that it should be that same of both information and data > model, because it's easier for people to understand and follow. :) ] I disagree with this as a principle. A data model has to work with the constraints of the data modeling language. If we expose them to the information mode, then the information model becomes data model specific and at the end becomes pointless. > > 2)What I mean the subset of RESTconf is that we used PUT/POST/GET function > which is subset of all RESTconf function. > > You need to provide a reason why this is useful. For example, leaving out > HEAD is I think a major problem. > > [(Vic)I'm kind of confused that HEAD method is for retrieve the header. I > read the draft-ietf-netconf-restconf > The access control behavior is enforced as if the method was GET > instead of HEAD. The server MUST respond the same as if the method > was GET instead of HEAD, except that no response message-body is > included. > Could you please explain for an HEAD example? Thank you!] > The general question is why do you think it is appropriate to define a subset of RESTCONF. If you believe RESTCONF is too complex for LMAP, then I think you should speak up on the NETCONF WG to make sure RESTCONF is defined in such a way that it is suitable for something like LMAP. Concerning the HEAD operation: REST applications often need to validate whether cached information is current. The HEAD operation gives you exactly that. Leaving HEAD out means you will not be able to validate caches in an efficient manner. I also find the notion of two response codes you proposed way too limiting. I am strongly in favor of using RESTCONF and if there are justified concerns that RESTCONF is too complex, make sure that RESTCONF gets fixed. RESTCONF is not 100% cast into stone yet. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Mon May 11 09:48:04 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E8DC1A1B7D for ; Mon, 11 May 2015 09:48:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 4.179 X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.179 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_EQ_RO=1.235, RDNS_NONE=0.793] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9LXPpvxnXDyI for ; Mon, 11 May 2015 09:48:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hdd7.mxserver.ro (unknown [188.213.20.232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F375F1A1B71 for ; Mon, 11 May 2015 09:48:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=vdev.ro; s=default; h=Mime-Version:To:Cc:Message-Id:Date:Subject:Content-Type:From; bh=mmC7U5HSP1zHc6wGqh2lIVyEfnBOmtgdVsJnVVB2BcY=; b=JSoM/rpuOuZLmAZVaqkX3LK1ncoCPSlHmaqE5bBr4eh/gNVJzwXHSfOwPUfoueW/zHwOHbBivOOtnlnWkOiXhF8Az5tmdzrBzBXxRIxEKEGZjQXmSk6oRaZKhwUkgz1ujxDU44Cf0gL2at5HGTJJzs91CSxZX+2DferGOu5lALE=; Received: from firewallix.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.244]:53570 helo=vvus-mbp.wlan.jacobs-university.de) by hdd7.mxserver.ro with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1Yrqrw-000jIv-PQ; Mon, 11 May 2015 19:47:56 +0300 From: "vvu@vdev.ro" X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5b6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_363D29CB-0EDD-4FFE-B552-DC5B25F3F513"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 18:47:44 +0200 Message-Id: <78EE9D2A-62D2-4E3B-8D78-53078405860F@vdev.ro> To: lmap@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2098\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - hdd7.mxserver.ro X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - vdev.ro X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: hdd7.mxserver.ro: authenticated_id: vvu@vdev.ro Archived-At: Cc: Vlad Victor Ungureanu Subject: [lmap] lmapd implementation slides X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 16:48:03 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_363D29CB-0EDD-4FFE-B552-DC5B25F3F513 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_302E31D2-195C-419C-B784-4FB2C8993F6D" --Apple-Mail=_302E31D2-195C-419C-B784-4FB2C8993F6D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hello all, Here are the slides for the lmapd implementation presentation. 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--_000_9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2612C2US70UWXCHMBA05z_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Team, I was reviewing draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05 and had a question on = the ma-controller-lost-timeout: A timer is started after each successful conta= ct with a controller. When the timer reaches the controller-lost-timeout, = all schedules will be disabled. We changed this from a threshold to a timeout but the data type is still an= and there are not units assigned to the timeout (e.g., milliseconds,= seconds). Also the description is vague - When we mean schedules disabled - so we mea= n administratively or operationally? In other words - does it take an expli= cit action from the controller to reenable the schedule or simply the next = contact. Also is this the schedules that are disabled or scheduled tasks. I would assume the timeout would be in seconds and we should change the dat= a type to unsignedInt unless of course a negative number has some meaning? Thanks, Tim --_000_9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2612C2US70UWXCHMBA05z_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Team,

 

I was reviewing draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-0= 5 and had a question on the

ma-controller-lost-timeout:  A timer is starte= d after each successful contact with a controller.  When the timer rea= ches the controller-lost-timeout, all schedules will be disabled.

 

We changed this from a threshold to a timeout but t= he data type is still an <int> and there are not units assigned to th= e timeout (e.g., milliseconds, seconds).

 

Also the description is vague – When we mean = schedules disabled – so we mean administratively or operationally? In= other words – does it take an explicit action from the controller to reenable the schedule or simply the next contact. Also is this the schedul= es that are disabled or scheduled tasks.

 

I would assume the timeout would be in seconds and = we should change the data type to unsignedInt unless of course a negative n= umber has some meaning?

 

Thanks,

Tim

--_000_9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2612C2US70UWXCHMBA05z_-- From nobody Mon May 11 12:33:28 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C879A1AD373 for ; Mon, 11 May 2015 12:33:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.909 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.909 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sRXcBVsPo7rz for ; Mon, 11 May 2015 12:33:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-fr.alcatel-lucent.com (fr-hpida-esg-01.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.210.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B60A1AD26B for ; Mon, 11 May 2015 12:33:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from us70tusmtp2.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.5.2.64]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id EAD52994EEEB7 for ; Mon, 11 May 2015 19:33:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from US70TWXCHHUB03.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (us70twxchhub03.zam.alcatel-lucent.com [135.5.2.35]) by us70tusmtp2.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id t4BJWplj002278 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 11 May 2015 15:33:09 -0400 Received: from US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([169.254.10.167]) by US70TWXCHHUB03.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.5.2.35]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Mon, 11 May 2015 15:33:02 -0400 From: "Carey, Timothy (Timothy)" To: "lmap@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: MA task capabilities Thread-Index: AdCMIUpw2S2M+qmMS1i6YcjLzUYKrw== Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 19:33:01 +0000 Message-ID: <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA261315@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.5.27.18] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA261315US70UWXCHMBA05z_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [lmap] draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: MA task capabilities X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 19:33:26 -0000 --_000_9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA261315US70UWXCHMBA05z_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Team, I was reviewing draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05 and had a question on = the what happened to the task capabilities and conditions as part of the MA= status. The text is still in the draft but the elements are gone... Any help would be appreciated Thanks, Tim --_000_9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA261315US70UWXCHMBA05z_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Team,

 

I was reviewing draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-0= 5 and had a question on the what happened to the task capabilities and cond= itions as part of the MA status. The text is still in the draft but the elements are gone…

 

Any help would be appreciated

 

Thanks,

Tim

 

--_000_9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA261315US70UWXCHMBA05z_-- From nobody Mon May 11 12:45:09 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91AFA1B29E2 for ; Mon, 11 May 2015 12:45:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sRJ1ZYg9uegz for ; Mon, 11 May 2015 12:45:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out4-smtp.messagingengine.com (out4-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BD88C1B29DE for ; Mon, 11 May 2015 12:45:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.internal [10.202.2.44]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22C4520851 for ; Mon, 11 May 2015 15:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frontend2 ([10.202.2.161]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 11 May 2015 15:45:06 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cooperw.in; h=cc :content-type:date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :references:subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=cNCrU G6ysyzW7Ulx0aeINh/ffd8=; b=dny6yHhsf6oRWtLYIa9oQj1xlHaSMXZ6feYXz SLVK4quZyz9chTqPQJEwpSxvoYMXySyqMsrlzTAtoMq25D5IZ/tl1NSjZI/PheOA rc6Qu5Mb2ZcFvo9KDcpeVcaUfO9nfhOE1X39KSeNsg1RwgGXEqUxOzSNq616JF+J AjFzPU= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-sasl-enc :x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=cNCrUG6ysyzW7Ulx0aeINh/ffd8=; b=J/e3U +uYRdlZT4LOklJoZb9r/D5MtrsdrfrCqvL+sAYg9dPPnuNCRkmgQp/PnUsVFxeHx XivUxYy6BkPZNWXCRA85wyCXrqu3MiWbh0VQHHid2a7yOFFy/TMjcA+N1jQG5QEd GTh+n6V2qQqsmd7Tcs+XwI3x8VL+7OCF0Ok5ck= X-Sasl-enc: Sn/DGvVHg6ojyZuM/QRgngegkTYAO9IZtOXoT7Nh0fEu 1431373505 Received: from sjc-alcoop-8817.cisco.com (unknown [128.107.241.181]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 3CA9D6800D3; Mon, 11 May 2015 15:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_607E5B54-7320-4FE5-8324-EB357CA5746F" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Alissa Cooper In-Reply-To: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5C9FFFF3@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 12:45:09 -0700 Message-Id: <5259E3D1-A2DA-4FFC-B971-8C575C9368D1@cooperw.in> References: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5C9FFFF3@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Cc: "lmap@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [lmap] LMAP WG meeting at IETF 93 X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 19:45:08 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_607E5B54-7320-4FE5-8324-EB357CA5746F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Here is my known list of conflicts: bfcpbis clue ecrit p2psip rtcweb siprec stir webpush xrblock netvc On Apr 27, 2015, at 2:08 AM, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) = wrote: > Hi, > =20 > It=92s time to discuss scheduling of the meeting for the LMAP WG at = IETF 93. > =20 > - Should we ask for a similar meeting slot as at the last few = IETF meetings (one 2.5 hours meeting slot)? > - Are there any new conflicts that we MUST avoid? Are there = any older conflicts that we can take out of the conflicts (or at least = critical conflicts) list? > - Agenda items > =20 > Thanks and Regards, > =20 > Dan > =20 > _______________________________________________ > lmap mailing list > lmap@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lmap --Apple-Mail=_607E5B54-7320-4FE5-8324-EB357CA5746F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252
Here is my known list of = conflicts:

bfcpbis
clue
ecrit=
p2psip
rtcweb
siprec
stir
webpush
xrblock
netvc

On Apr = 27, 2015, at 2:08 AM, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) <dromasca@avaya.com> = wrote:

Hi,
 
It=92s = time to discuss scheduling of the meeting for the LMAP WG at IETF = 93.
 
-          Should we ask for a similar meeting slot as at the = last few IETF meetings (one 2.5 hours meeting = slot)?
-          Are there any new conflicts that we MUST avoid? Are = there any older conflicts that we can take out of the conflicts (or at = least critical conflicts) list?
-          Agenda items
 
Thanks and = Regards,
 
Dan
 
________________________________= _______________
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= --Apple-Mail=_607E5B54-7320-4FE5-8324-EB357CA5746F-- From nobody Tue May 12 02:55:44 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18EC91A870C for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 02:55:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.86 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.86 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7Ym8_uPu2cvb for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 02:55:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de (atlas3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BB58E1A8729 for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 02:55:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4251572D; Tue, 12 May 2015 11:55:39 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de ([10.70.0.220]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10030) with ESMTP id PJpinBKjtirF; Tue, 12 May 2015 11:55:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hermes.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "Jacobs University CA - G01" (verified OK)) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Tue, 12 May 2015 11:55:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (demetrius1.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.46]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84C042002C; Tue, 12 May 2015 11:55:38 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius1.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MCdmhKuy6WmE; Tue, 12 May 2015 11:55:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 758B220013; Tue, 12 May 2015 11:55:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 630D1330F39F; Tue, 12 May 2015 11:55:37 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 11:55:37 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: "Carey, Timothy (Timothy)" Message-ID: <20150512095537.GB26662@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: "Carey, Timothy (Timothy)" , "lmap@ietf.org" References: <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA261315@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA261315@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Archived-At: Cc: "lmap@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [lmap] draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: MA task capabilities X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 09:55:43 -0000 On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 07:33:01PM +0000, Carey, Timothy (Timothy) wrote: > Team, > > I was reviewing draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05 and had a question on the what happened to the task capabilities and conditions as part of the MA status. The text is still in the draft but the elements are gone... > There is ma-task-status-obj defined in section 3.5.2. Is this what you are looking for? Otherwise, please tell me which text you refer to where you can't find matching definitions. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Tue May 12 03:07:41 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77A721A870E for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 03:07:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.86 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.86 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KHmqN9-3aybn for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 03:07:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de (atlas3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 87B8E1A8757 for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 03:07:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AC56734; Tue, 12 May 2015 12:07:27 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de ([10.70.0.220]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10030) with ESMTP id 8n8wrsrnJxHO; Tue, 12 May 2015 12:07:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hermes.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "Jacobs University CA - G01" (verified OK)) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Tue, 12 May 2015 12:07:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (demetrius3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.48]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7496E2002B; Tue, 12 May 2015 12:07:26 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id izU48u4jg0RY; Tue, 12 May 2015 12:07:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD25320013; Tue, 12 May 2015 12:07:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 9F2BD330F3F4; Tue, 12 May 2015 12:07:24 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 12:07:24 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: "Carey, Timothy (Timothy)" Message-ID: <20150512100724.GC26662@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: "Carey, Timothy (Timothy)" , "lmap@ietf.org" References: <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2612C2@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2612C2@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Archived-At: Cc: "lmap@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [lmap] draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: Controller timeout X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 10:07:40 -0000 On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 07:08:47PM +0000, Carey, Timothy (Timothy) wrote: > Team, > > I was reviewing draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05 and had a question on the > ma-controller-lost-timeout: A timer is started after each successful contact with a controller. When the timer reaches the controller-lost-timeout, all schedules will be disabled. > > We changed this from a threshold to a timeout but the data type is still an and there are not units assigned to the timeout (e.g., milliseconds, seconds). > > Also the description is vague - When we mean schedules disabled - so we mean administratively or operationally? In other words - does it take an explicit action from the controller to reenable the schedule or simply the next contact. Also is this the schedules that are disabled or scheduled tasks. > > I would assume the timeout would be in seconds and we should change the data type to unsignedInt unless of course a negative number has some meaning? > I agree this is under-defined. We generally have only used 'int' and we did not make a distinction between int and unsigned so I would leave that alone (or we have to make changes in multiple places). What about this rewrite: ma-controller-lost-timeout: A timer is started after each successful contact with a controller. When the timer reaches the controller-lost-timeout (measured in seconds), all schedules will be disabled, i.e., no new schedules will be executed (and hence no new tasks started). The disabled schedules will be reenabled automatically once contact with a controller has been established successfully again. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Tue May 12 04:46:33 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DD731A8A56 for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 04:46:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EGU8JEJ5aBsH for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 04:46:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-fr.alcatel-lucent.com (fr-hpida-esg-02.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.210.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC7761A8A94 for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 04:46:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from us70uusmtp3.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.5.2.65]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id 085F3C0ACCCF9; Tue, 12 May 2015 11:46:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from US70UWXCHHUB02.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (us70uwxchhub02.zam.alcatel-lucent.com [135.5.2.49]) by us70uusmtp3.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id t4CBkQ0v018073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 May 2015 07:46:26 -0400 Received: from US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([169.254.10.167]) by US70UWXCHHUB02.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.5.2.49]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Tue, 12 May 2015 07:46:26 -0400 From: "Carey, Timothy (Timothy)" To: Juergen Schoenwaelder Thread-Topic: [lmap] draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: MA task capabilities Thread-Index: AdCMIUpw2S2M+qmMS1i6YcjLzUYKrwAmghiAAASn2PA= Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 11:46:26 +0000 Message-ID: <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2616B2@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> References: <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA261315@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> <20150512095537.GB26662@elstar.local> In-Reply-To: <20150512095537.GB26662@elstar.local> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.5.27.17] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "lmap@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [lmap] draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: MA task capabilities X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 11:46:31 -0000 Juergen, Yes in draft 04 there were 2 attributes in section 3.5 which are not in dra= ft 05: ma-supported-tasks and ma-conditions. BR, Tim -----Original Message----- From: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de]=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 4:56 AM To: Carey, Timothy (Timothy) Cc: lmap@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lmap] draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: MA task capabilit= ies On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 07:33:01PM +0000, Carey, Timothy (Timothy) wrote: > Team, >=20 > I was reviewing draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05 and had a question o= n the what happened to the task capabilities and conditions as part of the = MA status. The text is still in the draft but the elements are gone... >=20 There is ma-task-status-obj defined in section 3.5.2. Is this what you are = looking for? Otherwise, please tell me which text you refer to where you ca= n't find matching definitions. /js --=20 Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Tue May 12 04:58:51 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C33911A9112 for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 04:58:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WQwWFLsmEPeK for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 04:58:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-fr.alcatel-lucent.com (fr-hpgre-esg-01.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.210.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EF7AE1A913D for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 04:58:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from us70tusmtp1.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.5.2.63]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id 8F67DD10DDF6C; Tue, 12 May 2015 11:58:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from US70UWXCHHUB01.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (us70uwxchhub01.zam.alcatel-lucent.com [135.5.2.48]) by us70tusmtp1.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id t4CBwYPG013092 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 May 2015 07:58:34 -0400 Received: from US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([169.254.10.167]) by US70UWXCHHUB01.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.5.2.48]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Tue, 12 May 2015 07:58:34 -0400 From: "Carey, Timothy (Timothy)" To: Juergen Schoenwaelder Thread-Topic: [lmap] draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: Controller timeout Thread-Index: AdCMHecUFUgxoWRISVOQIyTHkXEC2AAnxEkAAATNJ5A= Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 11:58:34 +0000 Message-ID: <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2616F5@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> References: <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2612C2@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> <20150512100724.GC26662@elstar.local> In-Reply-To: <20150512100724.GC26662@elstar.local> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.5.27.17] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "lmap@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [lmap] draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: Controller timeout X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 11:58:45 -0000 Juergen, So then we are saying that schedules (I think you mean scheduled tasks?) ar= e operationally disabled and are reenabled with the controller is contacted= . We that would mean all scheduled tasks that are not related to controller c= ommunication - right? Since everything is a scheduled task now? As to the int vs unsignedInt - I don't necessarily care except that one mig= ht ask what a meaning is for negative values unless you use lower threshold= constraint of 0. Also you lose have the range of the timeout. What is the = size of the int - 32 or 64-bit? My point is that if it is 32bit you its tim= eout would be limited to like 9+ hours (32767 seconds) -----Original Message----- From: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de]=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 5:07 AM To: Carey, Timothy (Timothy) Cc: lmap@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lmap] draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: Controller timeou= t On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 07:08:47PM +0000, Carey, Timothy (Timothy) wrote: > Team, >=20 > I was reviewing draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05 and had a=20 > question on the > ma-controller-lost-timeout: A timer is started after each successful con= tact with a controller. When the timer reaches the controller-lost-timeout= , all schedules will be disabled. >=20 > We changed this from a threshold to a timeout but the data type is still = an and there are not units assigned to the timeout (e.g., millisecond= s, seconds). >=20 > Also the description is vague - When we mean schedules disabled - so we m= ean administratively or operationally? In other words - does it take an exp= licit action from the controller to reenable the schedule or simply the nex= t contact. Also is this the schedules that are disabled or scheduled tasks. >=20 > I would assume the timeout would be in seconds and we should change the d= ata type to unsignedInt unless of course a negative number has some meaning= ? >=20 I agree this is under-defined. We generally have only used 'int' and we did= not make a distinction between int and unsigned so I would leave that alon= e (or we have to make changes in multiple places). What about this rewrite: ma-controller-lost-timeout: A timer is started after each successful contact with a controller. When the timer reaches the controller-lost-timeout (measured in seconds), all schedules will be disabled, i.e., no new schedules will be executed (and hence no new tasks started). The disabled schedules will be reenabled automatically once contact with a controller has been established successfully again. /js --=20 Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Tue May 12 05:28:49 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E67F1ACD0B for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 05:28:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.86 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.86 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DMFWKnOyjDsO for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 05:28:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de (atlas3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C1F301ACCF4 for ; 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Tue, 12 May 2015 14:28:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E58CC20013; Tue, 12 May 2015 14:28:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id A097E333141F; Tue, 12 May 2015 14:28:42 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 14:28:42 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: "Carey, Timothy (Timothy)" Message-ID: <20150512122842.GB41964@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: "Carey, Timothy (Timothy)" , "lmap@ietf.org" References: <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA261315@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> <20150512095537.GB26662@elstar.local> <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2616B2@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2616B2@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Archived-At: Cc: "lmap@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [lmap] draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: MA task capabilities X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 12:28:48 -0000 On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 11:46:26AM +0000, Carey, Timothy (Timothy) wrote: > Juergen, > > Yes in draft 04 there were 2 attributes in section 3.5 which are not > in draft 05: ma-supported-tasks and ma-conditions. -04 had in ma-status-obj: ma-task-capability-obj ma-supported-tasks<0..*>; [ma-condition-obj ma-conditions<0..*>;] object { string ma-task-name; string ma-task-role; uri ma-task-registry; } ma-task-capability-obj; object { int ma-condition-code; string ma-condition-text; } ma-condition-obj -05 has instead in ma-status-obj: [ma-task-status-obj ma-task-status<0..*>;] object { string ma-task-name; [uri ma-task-registry-entry;] [string ma-task-role<0..*>;] datetime ma-task-last-invocation; datetime ma-task-last-completion; int ma-task-last-status; string ma-task-last-message; datetime ma-task-last-failed-completion; int ma-task-last-failed-status; string ma-task-last-failed-message; } ma-task-status-obj; In other words, the attributes formerly contained in ma-task-capability-obj became attributes of ma-task-status-obj and instead of having a static list of condition codes and texts, we now have the condition code and text of the last execution and the last failed execution. This change was discussed on the mailing list (the motivation is that this is useful information to troubleshoot things while a static code/text list does not necessarily belong into the information model / data model). /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Tue May 12 05:33:35 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 960331B2BF5 for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 05:33:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KUrFPBZB7Xxy for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 05:33:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-fr.alcatel-lucent.com (fr-hpida-esg-02.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.210.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 891DD1B2BEC for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 05:33:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from us70uusmtp4.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.5.2.66]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id 446271F5341DD; Tue, 12 May 2015 12:33:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from US70UWXCHHUB01.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (us70uwxchhub01.zam.alcatel-lucent.com [135.5.2.48]) by us70uusmtp4.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id t4CCXRA2002777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 May 2015 08:33:27 -0400 Received: from US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([169.254.10.167]) by US70UWXCHHUB01.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.5.2.48]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Tue, 12 May 2015 08:33:27 -0400 From: "Carey, Timothy (Timothy)" To: Juergen Schoenwaelder Thread-Topic: [lmap] draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: Controller timeout Thread-Index: AdCMHecUFUgxoWRISVOQIyTHkXEC2AAnxEkAAATNJ5AACC2i8A== Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 12:33:27 +0000 Message-ID: <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA261773@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> References: <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2612C2@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> <20150512100724.GC26662@elstar.local> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.5.27.17] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "lmap@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [lmap] draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: Controller timeout X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 12:33:33 -0000 Sorry - For the range I was thinking 16-bit range not 32-bit. 32-bit should= be fine. My mistake. I will say though that the interface speed may become a problem if you leav= e it as an int since the unit is bps. -----Original Message----- From: Carey, Timothy (Timothy)=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 6:59 AM To: 'Juergen Schoenwaelder' Cc: lmap@ietf.org Subject: RE: [lmap] draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: Controller timeou= t Juergen, So then we are saying that schedules (I think you mean scheduled tasks?) ar= e operationally disabled and are reenabled with the controller is contacted= . We that would mean all scheduled tasks that are not related to controller c= ommunication - right? Since everything is a scheduled task now? As to the int vs unsignedInt - I don't necessarily care except that one mig= ht ask what a meaning is for negative values unless you use lower threshold= constraint of 0. Also you lose have the range of the timeout. What is the = size of the int - 32 or 64-bit? My point is that if it is 32bit you its tim= eout would be limited to like 9+ hours (32767 seconds) -----Original Message----- From: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de] Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 5:07 AM To: Carey, Timothy (Timothy) Cc: lmap@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lmap] draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: Controller timeou= t On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 07:08:47PM +0000, Carey, Timothy (Timothy) wrote: > Team, >=20 > I was reviewing draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05 and had a=20 > question on the > ma-controller-lost-timeout: A timer is started after each successful con= tact with a controller. When the timer reaches the controller-lost-timeout= , all schedules will be disabled. >=20 > We changed this from a threshold to a timeout but the data type is still = an and there are not units assigned to the timeout (e.g., millisecond= s, seconds). >=20 > Also the description is vague - When we mean schedules disabled - so we m= ean administratively or operationally? In other words - does it take an exp= licit action from the controller to reenable the schedule or simply the nex= t contact. Also is this the schedules that are disabled or scheduled tasks. >=20 > I would assume the timeout would be in seconds and we should change the d= ata type to unsignedInt unless of course a negative number has some meaning= ? >=20 I agree this is under-defined. We generally have only used 'int' and we did= not make a distinction between int and unsigned so I would leave that alon= e (or we have to make changes in multiple places). What about this rewrite: ma-controller-lost-timeout: A timer is started after each successful contact with a controller. When the timer reaches the controller-lost-timeout (measured in seconds), all schedules will be disabled, i.e., no new schedules will be executed (and hence no new tasks started). The disabled schedules will be reenabled automatically once contact with a controller has been established successfully again. /js --=20 Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Tue May 12 05:42:18 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAA1A1B2BF8 for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 05:42:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.86 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.86 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PksvFDC8Df9Y for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 05:42:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de (atlas3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 15E4D1ACD11 for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 05:42:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE1B7787; Tue, 12 May 2015 14:42:14 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de ([10.70.0.220]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10030) with ESMTP id aW4CAzA0A_ZH; Tue, 12 May 2015 14:42:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hermes.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "Jacobs University CA - G01" (verified OK)) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Tue, 12 May 2015 14:42:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.49]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8D7E2002B; Tue, 12 May 2015 14:42:13 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fV6E0ZZFviBC; Tue, 12 May 2015 14:42:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6262F20013; Tue, 12 May 2015 14:42:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 4679B3331482; Tue, 12 May 2015 14:42:10 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 14:42:09 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: "Carey, Timothy (Timothy)" Message-ID: <20150512124209.GC41964@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: "Carey, Timothy (Timothy)" , "lmap@ietf.org" References: <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2612C2@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> <20150512100724.GC26662@elstar.local> <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2616F5@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2616F5@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Archived-At: Cc: "lmap@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [lmap] draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: Controller timeout X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 12:42:18 -0000 On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 11:58:34AM +0000, Carey, Timothy (Timothy) wrote: > Juergen, > > So then we are saying that schedules (I think you mean scheduled tasks?) are operationally disabled and are reenabled with the controller is contacted. > > We that would mean all scheduled tasks that are not related to controller communication - right? Since everything is a scheduled task now? Yes, if in your implementation the communication with the controller runs as a scheduled task, you better do not disable it. I have added: Note that this will not affect the execution of actions that are essential to establish contact with the controller or that perform critical housekeeping functions > As to the int vs unsignedInt - I don't necessarily care except that one might ask what a meaning is for negative values unless you use lower threshold constraint of 0. Also you lose have the range of the timeout. What is the size of the int - 32 or 64-bit? My point is that if it is 32bit you its timeout would be limited to like 9+ hours (32767 seconds) > We address these questions in the YANG data model but I was hoping we can leave out this level of detail in the information model. The YANG model has this: leaf controller-lost-timeout { type uint32; units "seconds"; description "..."; } Note that 2^32-1 = 4294967295 seconds (which is approx. 136 years). You are calculating with 15 bits. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Tue May 12 05:44:20 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C039E1B2C1A for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 05:44:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.86 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.86 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dxaSWTxt3Up1 for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 05:44:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de (atlas3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7696B1A1B85 for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 05:44:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 488D3787; Tue, 12 May 2015 14:44:16 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de ([10.70.0.220]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10030) with ESMTP id 8FCSujX_kO2J; Tue, 12 May 2015 14:44:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hermes.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "Jacobs University CA - G01" (verified OK)) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Tue, 12 May 2015 14:44:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (demetrius2.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.47]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39E8520013; Tue, 12 May 2015 14:44:15 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius2.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XXP98hpgpV3L; Tue, 12 May 2015 14:44:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B40D02002B; Tue, 12 May 2015 14:44:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 1EF6333314B5; Tue, 12 May 2015 14:44:13 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 14:44:12 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: "Carey, Timothy (Timothy)" Message-ID: <20150512124412.GD41964@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: "Carey, Timothy (Timothy)" , "lmap@ietf.org" References: <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2612C2@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> <20150512100724.GC26662@elstar.local> <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA261773@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA261773@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Archived-At: Cc: "lmap@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [lmap] draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: Controller timeout X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 12:44:18 -0000 On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 12:33:27PM +0000, Carey, Timothy (Timothy) wrote: > > I will say though that the interface speed may become a problem if you leave it as an int since the unit is bps. > Why? Do you have interfaces that send fractional bits per second? The IF-MIB has worked for decades with an INTEGER type for interface speeds. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Tue May 12 06:04:56 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47E881B2C4F for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 06:04:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q5z1aNmxFTpc for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 06:04:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-fr.alcatel-lucent.com (fr-hpgre-esg-01.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.210.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5A2DB1B2C4E for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 06:04:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from us70tusmtp1.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.5.2.63]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id 39C88B97A0AEB; Tue, 12 May 2015 13:04:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from US70UWXCHHUB02.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (us70uwxchhub02.zam.alcatel-lucent.com [135.5.2.49]) by us70tusmtp1.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id t4CD4nOQ019406 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 May 2015 09:04:49 -0400 Received: from US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([169.254.10.167]) by US70UWXCHHUB02.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.5.2.49]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Tue, 12 May 2015 09:04:49 -0400 From: "Carey, Timothy (Timothy)" To: Juergen Schoenwaelder Thread-Topic: [lmap] draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: Controller timeout Thread-Index: AdCMHecUFUgxoWRISVOQIyTHkXEC2AAnxEkAAATNJ5AAAJpsgAAH9ouw Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 13:04:49 +0000 Message-ID: <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA261858@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> References: <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2612C2@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> <20150512100724.GC26662@elstar.local> <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2616F5@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> <20150512124209.GC41964@elstar.local> In-Reply-To: <20150512124209.GC41964@elstar.local> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.5.27.17] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "lmap@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [lmap] draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: Controller timeout X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 13:04:55 -0000 So does that now mean we need to have a operational status now for a schedu= led task? I can see it now as attribute with values like: enabled, disabled= , suppressed and errored or possibly a conditions object? -----Original Message----- From: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de]=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 7:42 AM To: Carey, Timothy (Timothy) Cc: lmap@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lmap] draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: Controller timeou= t On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 11:58:34AM +0000, Carey, Timothy (Timothy) wrote: > Juergen, >=20 > So then we are saying that schedules (I think you mean scheduled tasks?) = are operationally disabled and are reenabled with the controller is contact= ed. >=20 > We that would mean all scheduled tasks that are not related to controller= communication - right? Since everything is a scheduled task now? Yes, if in your implementation the communication with the controller runs a= s a scheduled task, you better do not disable it. I have added: Note that this will not affect the execution of actions that are essential to establish contact with the controller or that perform critical housekeeping functions =20 > As to the int vs unsignedInt - I don't necessarily care except that=20 > one might ask what a meaning is for negative values unless you use=20 > lower threshold constraint of 0. Also you lose have the range of the=20 > timeout. What is the size of the int - 32 or 64-bit? My point is that=20 > if it is 32bit you its timeout would be limited to like 9+ hours=20 > (32767 seconds) > We address these questions in the YANG data model but I was hoping we can l= eave out this level of detail in the information model. The YANG model has = this: leaf controller-lost-timeout { type uint32; units "seconds"; description "..."; } Note that 2^32-1 =3D 4294967295 seconds (which is approx. 136 years). You a= re calculating with 15 bits. /js --=20 Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Tue May 12 06:11:45 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BECDD1B2C70 for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 06:11:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ki4MmrrRR39m for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 06:11:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-fr.alcatel-lucent.com (fr-hpida-esg-02.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.210.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B05411B2C5D for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 06:11:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from us70uusmtp3.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.5.2.65]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id C6785FF3BC8B5; Tue, 12 May 2015 13:11:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from US70UWXCHHUB02.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (us70uwxchhub02.zam.alcatel-lucent.com [135.5.2.49]) by us70uusmtp3.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id t4CDBVFR022662 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 May 2015 09:11:35 -0400 Received: from US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([169.254.10.167]) by US70UWXCHHUB02.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.5.2.49]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Tue, 12 May 2015 09:11:32 -0400 From: "Carey, Timothy (Timothy)" To: Juergen Schoenwaelder Thread-Topic: [lmap] draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: Controller timeout Thread-Index: AdCMHecUFUgxoWRISVOQIyTHkXEC2AAnxEkAAATNJ5AACC2i8P//w/gAgAA9MzA= Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 13:11:31 +0000 Message-ID: <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA261873@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> References: <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2612C2@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> <20150512100724.GC26662@elstar.local> <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA261773@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> <20150512124412.GD41964@elstar.local> In-Reply-To: <20150512124412.GD41964@elstar.local> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.5.27.17] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "lmap@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [lmap] draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: Controller timeout X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 13:11:42 -0000 No - but how would you represent a 10 Gig Ethernet interface with a 32-bit = signed integer using bps as the unit? -----Original Message----- From: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de]=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 7:44 AM To: Carey, Timothy (Timothy) Cc: lmap@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lmap] draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: Controller timeou= t On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 12:33:27PM +0000, Carey, Timothy (Timothy) wrote: >=20 > I will say though that the interface speed may become a problem if you le= ave it as an int since the unit is bps. > Why? Do you have interfaces that send fractional bits per second? The IF-MI= B has worked for decades with an INTEGER type for interface speeds. /js --=20 Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Tue May 12 06:35:43 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EC451B2CDD for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 06:35:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.909 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.909 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S_XGSnk44cF3 for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 06:35:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-fr.alcatel-lucent.com (fr-hpida-esg-02.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.210.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C9CA41B2CDC for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 06:35:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from us70uusmtp3.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.5.2.65]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id AB1E5D5500D9 for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 13:35:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from US70UWXCHHUB02.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (us70uwxchhub02.zam.alcatel-lucent.com [135.5.2.49]) by us70uusmtp3.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id t4CDZbRf028494 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 09:35:37 -0400 Received: from US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([169.254.10.167]) by US70UWXCHHUB02.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.5.2.49]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Tue, 12 May 2015 09:35:37 -0400 From: "Carey, Timothy (Timothy)" To: "lmap@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: Definition of result values Thread-Index: AdCMuIZf6xZuL8upTamahliBh8YC9Q== Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 13:35:37 +0000 Message-ID: <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2618B6@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.5.27.17] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2618B6US70UWXCHMBA05z_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [lmap] draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: Definition of result values X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 13:35:42 -0000 --_000_9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2618B6US70UWXCHMBA05z_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Team, I was reviewing draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05 and had a comment rega= rding the ma-report-row-object. The definition of the result values should include how it relates to the co= lumn labels. I would suggest something like: A possibly empty set of result values. When present contains an ordered set= of values that align to the set of column labels for the report. Thanks, Tim --_000_9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2618B6US70UWXCHMBA05z_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Team,

 

I was reviewing draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-0= 5 and had a comment regarding the ma-report-row-object.

 

The definition of the result values should include = how it relates to the column labels.

I would suggest something like:

A possibly empty set of result values. When present contains an ord= ered set of values that align to the set of column labels for the report.

 

Thanks,

Tim

 

--_000_9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2618B6US70UWXCHMBA05z_-- From nobody Tue May 12 06:43:00 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3333E1B2D02 for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 06:43:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.909 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.909 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UjW2M_mEPuyn for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 06:42:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-fr.alcatel-lucent.com (fr-hpgre-esg-01.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.210.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 550B31B2CFE for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 06:42:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from us70tusmtp1.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.5.2.63]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id A9F3DEECBF5EC for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 13:42:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from US70UWXCHHUB02.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (us70uwxchhub02.zam.alcatel-lucent.com [135.5.2.49]) by us70tusmtp1.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id t4CDgtqs015385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 09:42:55 -0400 Received: from US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([169.254.10.167]) by US70UWXCHHUB02.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.5.2.49]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Tue, 12 May 2015 09:42:55 -0400 From: "Carey, Timothy (Timothy)" To: "lmap@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: Redefining Scheduled Tasks into Scheduled Actions? Thread-Index: AdCMuYvXYEBOJ9SsTKCpT8M0dVbpgQ== Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 13:42:55 +0000 Message-ID: <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2618CA@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.5.27.17] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2618CAUS70UWXCHMBA05z_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [lmap] draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: Redefining Scheduled Tasks into Scheduled Actions? X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 13:43:00 -0000 --_000_9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2618CAUS70UWXCHMBA05z_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Team, I was reviewing draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05 and I didn't understan= d why we would redefine scheduled task to mean a scheduled action. The text= of the draft talks about scheduled tasks while the model now names them sc= heduled actions. This seems to be confusing to me. We have always talked about tasks, schedules and scheduled tasks. Was this simply because we needed an identifier for the scheduled task? If = so why wouldn't we have just added a parameter called scheduled-task-name? Thanks, Tim --_000_9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2618CAUS70UWXCHMBA05z_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Team,

 

I was reviewing draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-0= 5 and I didn’t understand why we would redefine scheduled task to mea= n a scheduled action. The text of the draft talks about scheduled tasks while the model now names them scheduled actions. This seems to be c= onfusing to me.

 

We have always talked about tasks, schedules and &n= bsp;scheduled tasks.

 

Was this simply because we needed an identifier for= the scheduled task? If so why wouldn’t we have just added a paramete= r called scheduled-task-name?

 

 

Thanks,

Tim

 

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The information model does not say anything about int precision. In the YANG data model, we do not have this object since it is already covered by the ietf-interfaces YANG model (RFC 7223). This model uses a 64-bit number: leaf speed { type yang:gauge64; units "bits/second"; description "An estimate of the interface's current bandwidth in bits per second. For interfaces that do not vary in bandwidth or for those where no accurate estimation can be made, this node should contain the nominal bandwidth. For interfaces that have no concept of bandwidth, this node is not present."; reference "RFC 2863: The Interfaces Group MIB - ifSpeed, ifHighSpeed"; } /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Tue May 12 07:20:13 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F29471A87CC for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 07:20:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.86 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.86 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VesUJNHMBxp8 for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 07:20:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de (atlas3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 624741A87AB for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 07:20:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D489842; Tue, 12 May 2015 16:20:09 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de ([10.70.0.220]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10030) with ESMTP id RII81POCrRhM; Tue, 12 May 2015 16:20:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hermes.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "Jacobs University CA - G01" (verified OK)) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Tue, 12 May 2015 16:20:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.49]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FA9E2002B; Tue, 12 May 2015 16:20:08 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JGrflMRKlxbF; Tue, 12 May 2015 16:20:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EFEA20013; Tue, 12 May 2015 16:20:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 6FBF33331837; Tue, 12 May 2015 16:20:06 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 16:20:06 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: "Carey, Timothy (Timothy)" Message-ID: <20150512142006.GB57299@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: "Carey, Timothy (Timothy)" , "lmap@ietf.org" References: <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2612C2@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> <20150512100724.GC26662@elstar.local> <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2616F5@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> <20150512124209.GC41964@elstar.local> <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA261858@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA261858@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Archived-At: Cc: "lmap@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [lmap] draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: Controller timeout X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 14:20:13 -0000 On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 01:04:49PM +0000, Carey, Timothy (Timothy) wrote: > So does that now mean we need to have a operational status now for a > scheduled task? I can see it now as attribute with values like: > enabled, disabled, suppressed and errored or possibly a conditions > object? I think there two questions here: a) If I loose connectivity, do I disable all schedules (and thus implicitely all actions) or do I disable scheduled tasks? My idea was to simply disable all schedules (and as such the schedules have their state changed to disabled). The suppression mechanism can suppress both a list of tasks and a list of schedules and it is configurable what is being suppressed. One option is that loss of connectivity simply causes suppression to be activated. Another option is that loss of connectivity supresses all tasks that are not essential for communication with a controller and house keeping. Another option is that loss of connectivity suppresses all schedules. We need to select one. b) Do we expose the internal state that is maintained? Right now, we do not expose any operational state for schedules. But we do expose operational state for tasks. If loss of connectivity means we disable all tasks that are not essential for communication with a controller and house keeping, than exposing that information would be a rather minor change to the information and data model. A task state would then be enabled (default), suppressed or disabled. Error information is already covered in the last-failed attributes of a task. (And this is useful in situations where tasks fail occasionally so you can get information about the last failure even though the task is working fine right now). /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Tue May 12 08:43:47 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACA451B2E8D for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 08:43:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.909 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.909 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9Otm3oBK2ylO for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 08:43:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-fr.alcatel-lucent.com (fr-hpgre-esg-01.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.210.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5081D1A87AB for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 08:43:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from us70tusmtp1.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.5.2.63]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id 605BFF6D90768 for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 15:43:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from US70TWXCHHUB03.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (us70twxchhub03.zam.alcatel-lucent.com [135.5.2.35]) by us70tusmtp1.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id t4CFhfb2028487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 11:43:41 -0400 Received: from US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([169.254.10.167]) by US70TWXCHHUB03.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.5.2.35]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Tue, 12 May 2015 11:43:41 -0400 From: "Carey, Timothy (Timothy)" To: "lmap@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: Calendar attributes Thread-Index: AdCMymrVFY0n229BT/6z1CGvNBzCLg== Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 15:43:41 +0000 Message-ID: <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA261B52@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.5.27.17] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA261B52US70UWXCHMBA05z_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [lmap] draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: Calendar attributes X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 15:43:46 -0000 --_000_9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA261B52US70UWXCHMBA05z_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Team, I was reviewing draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05 and I think we have a = problem with the new definitions. We changed the attribution from int to a string to allow for wildcards - I = guess. The problem is with empty lists and the meaning of no months|days|hours|min= utes|seconds. If I would evaluate this correctly anytime I have an empty li= st value all the other attribute values would be left mute. For example a schedule with no months would mean that any constraint (e.g.,= between the hours of 2-3pm all days would not be considered as the days ar= e in a month context. So we are assuming an empty list to be "ALL" values a= nyway - which means the same thing as *. In the TR-069 model I simply has if the list was empty then all values woul= d be considered. I would recommend we put this back to the way it was in draft 04 and simply= indicate an empty list means all values are to be considered (e.g., wildca= rd) BTW - days-of-week has a typo it should default to no days instead of no mo= nths. Thanks, Tim --_000_9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA261B52US70UWXCHMBA05z_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Team,

 

I was reviewing draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-0= 5 and I think we have a problem with the new definitions.=

 

We changed the attribution from int to a string to = allow for wildcards – I guess.

 

The problem is with empty lists and the meaning of = no months|days|hours|minutes|seconds. If I would evaluate this correctly an= ytime I have an empty list value all the other attribute values would be left mute.

 

For example a schedule with no months would mean th= at any constraint (e.g., between the hours of 2-3pm all days would not be c= onsidered as the days are in a month context. So we are assuming an empty list to be “ALL” values anyway – which= means the same thing as *.

 

In the TR-069 model I simply has if the list was em= pty then all values would be considered.

 

I would recommend we put this back to the way it wa= s in draft 04 and simply indicate an empty list means all values are to be = considered (e.g., wildcard)

 

BTW – days-of-week has a typo it should defau= lt to no days instead of no months.

 

 

Thanks,

Tim

 

--_000_9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA261B52US70UWXCHMBA05z_-- From nobody Tue May 12 10:00:08 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01B7D1ACD19 for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 10:00:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.86 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.86 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gmnJzqPWRHTS for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 09:59:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de (atlas3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E4AE91ACCD9 for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 09:59:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9112E767; Tue, 12 May 2015 18:59:55 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de ([10.70.0.220]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10030) with ESMTP id beJX35K_xq84; Tue, 12 May 2015 18:59:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hermes.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "Jacobs University CA - G01" (verified OK)) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Tue, 12 May 2015 18:59:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (demetrius1.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.46]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A33C62002B; Tue, 12 May 2015 18:59:54 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius1.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kLx1xPMcSU4A; Tue, 12 May 2015 18:59:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13BDC20013; Tue, 12 May 2015 18:59:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id D27BC3331E14; Tue, 12 May 2015 18:59:51 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 18:59:51 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: "Carey, Timothy (Timothy)" Message-ID: <20150512165951.GC57761@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: "Carey, Timothy (Timothy)" , "lmap@ietf.org" References: <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA261B52@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA261B52@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Archived-At: Cc: "lmap@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [lmap] draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: Calendar attributes X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 17:00:05 -0000 On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 03:43:41PM +0000, Carey, Timothy (Timothy) wrote: > Team, > > I was reviewing draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05 and I think we have a problem with the new definitions. > > We changed the attribution from int to a string to allow for wildcards - I guess. Yes. > The problem is with empty lists and the meaning of no months|days|hours|minutes|seconds. If I would evaluate this correctly anytime I have an empty list value all the other attribute values would be left mute. > > For example a schedule with no months would mean that any constraint (e.g., between the hours of 2-3pm all days would not be considered as the days are in a month context. So we are assuming an empty list to be "ALL" values anyway - which means the same thing as *. > > In the TR-069 model I simply has if the list was empty then all values would be considered. > > I would recommend we put this back to the way it was in draft 04 and simply indicate an empty list means all values are to be considered (e.g., wildcard) This leads to the problem that led to the introduction of wildcards. If everything is left empty (or unconfigured), you fire things with a very high frequency. You can still get that with wildcards but you have to explicitely configure them - you do not get this aggressive behaviour by accidentally emptying the last element. This change was discussed on the list a while ago. > BTW - days-of-week has a typo it should default to no days instead of no months. Thanks, fixed in my sources. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Tue May 12 11:05:25 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D64DD1ACE29 for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 11:05:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PCh6fDJAZiYD for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 11:05:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-fr.alcatel-lucent.com (fr-hpida-esg-01.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.210.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1ED451ACE26 for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 11:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from us70tusmtp2.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.5.2.64]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id 3FB1BD61F8A49; Tue, 12 May 2015 18:05:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from US70TWXCHHUB03.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (us70twxchhub03.zam.alcatel-lucent.com [135.5.2.35]) by us70tusmtp2.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id t4CI57o9027953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 May 2015 14:05:13 -0400 Received: from US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([169.254.10.167]) by US70TWXCHHUB03.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.5.2.35]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Tue, 12 May 2015 14:05:03 -0400 From: "Carey, Timothy (Timothy)" To: Juergen Schoenwaelder Thread-Topic: [lmap] draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: Calendar attributes Thread-Index: AdCMymrVFY0n229BT/6z1CGvNBzCLgALCvCAAAZDfcA= Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 18:05:04 +0000 Message-ID: <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA261CE8@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> References: <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA261B52@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> <20150512165951.GC57761@elstar.local> In-Reply-To: <20150512165951.GC57761@elstar.local> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.5.27.18] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "lmap@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [lmap] draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: Calendar attributes X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 18:05:24 -0000 Juergen, So what is the behavior when I have an empty month but non-empty entries in= the other criteria? For example empty months with * days of week, * days of month, *etc... BR, Tim -----Original Message----- From: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de]=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 12:00 PM To: Carey, Timothy (Timothy) Cc: lmap@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lmap] draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: Calendar attribut= es On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 03:43:41PM +0000, Carey, Timothy (Timothy) wrote: > Team, >=20 > I was reviewing draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05 and I think we have = a problem with the new definitions. >=20 > We changed the attribution from int to a string to allow for wildcards - = I guess. Yes. =20 > The problem is with empty lists and the meaning of no months|days|hours|m= inutes|seconds. If I would evaluate this correctly anytime I have an empty = list value all the other attribute values would be left mute. >=20 > For example a schedule with no months would mean that any constraint (e.g= ., between the hours of 2-3pm all days would not be considered as the days = are in a month context. So we are assuming an empty list to be "ALL" values= anyway - which means the same thing as *. >=20 > In the TR-069 model I simply has if the list was empty then all values wo= uld be considered. >=20 > I would recommend we put this back to the way it was in draft 04 and=20 > simply indicate an empty list means all values are to be considered=20 > (e.g., wildcard) This leads to the problem that led to the introduction of wildcards. If everything is left empty (or unconfigured), you fire things with a very = high frequency. You can still get that with wildcards but you have to expli= citely configure them - you do not get this aggressive behaviour by acciden= tally emptying the last element. This change was discussed on the list a wh= ile ago. > BTW - days-of-week has a typo it should default to no days instead of no = months. Thanks, fixed in my sources. /js --=20 Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Tue May 12 22:59:39 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CA461AC3E8 for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 22:59:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.86 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.86 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TS_jE-B4KuYL for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 22:59:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de (atlas3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3212E1AC3E7 for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 22:59:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D35CBA97; Wed, 13 May 2015 07:59:29 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de ([10.70.0.220]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10030) with ESMTP id 85AQEwzs-QZ7; Wed, 13 May 2015 07:59:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hermes.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "Jacobs University CA - G01" (verified OK)) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Wed, 13 May 2015 07:59:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (demetrius3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.48]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BD8620036; Wed, 13 May 2015 07:59:28 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id whzbMnVEgWVu; Wed, 13 May 2015 07:59:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 813D720035; Wed, 13 May 2015 07:59:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id C50123332361; Wed, 13 May 2015 07:59:24 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 07:59:24 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: "Carey, Timothy (Timothy)" Message-ID: <20150513055924.GB59024@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: "Carey, Timothy (Timothy)" , "lmap@ietf.org" References: <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA261B52@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> <20150512165951.GC57761@elstar.local> <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA261CE8@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA261CE8@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Archived-At: Cc: "lmap@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [lmap] draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: Calendar attributes X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 05:59:35 -0000 On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 06:05:04PM +0000, Carey, Timothy (Timothy) wrote: > Juergen, > > So what is the behavior when I have an empty month but non-empty entries in the other criteria? > > For example empty months with * days of week, * days of month, *etc... > "If not present, it defaults to no months." This means no action will be triggered. In other words, all components need to be explicitely configured for some action to be triggered. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Wed May 13 05:37:11 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59A9E1A8984 for ; Wed, 13 May 2015 05:37:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q2z_S2YRw5cg for ; Wed, 13 May 2015 05:37:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-fr.alcatel-lucent.com (fr-hpgre-esg-01.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.210.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 126C61A8983 for ; Wed, 13 May 2015 05:37:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from us70tusmtp1.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.5.2.63]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id E41D8EF34DDC1; Wed, 13 May 2015 12:37:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from US70TWXCHHUB04.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (us70twxchhub04.zam.alcatel-lucent.com [135.5.2.36]) by us70tusmtp1.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id t4DCb3To027306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 May 2015 08:37:03 -0400 Received: from US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([169.254.10.167]) by US70TWXCHHUB04.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.5.2.36]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Wed, 13 May 2015 08:37:03 -0400 From: "Carey, Timothy (Timothy)" To: Juergen Schoenwaelder Thread-Topic: [lmap] draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: Controller timeout Thread-Index: AdCMHecUFUgxoWRISVOQIyTHkXEC2AAnxEkAAATNJ5AAAJpsgAAH9ouw///bqQD//tQ9MA== Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 12:37:01 +0000 Message-ID: <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2626E6@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> References: <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2612C2@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> <20150512100724.GC26662@elstar.local> <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2616F5@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> <20150512124209.GC41964@elstar.local> <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA261858@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> <20150512142006.GB57299@elstar.local> In-Reply-To: <20150512142006.GB57299@elstar.local> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.5.27.17] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "lmap@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [lmap] draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: Controller timeout X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 12:37:10 -0000 Juergen, If you do not want to disable the scheduled tasks - I would actually say th= e Parent tasks not the schedules are disabled. The reason is because we are= talking about wanted to disable Tasks that are not related to the communic= ation between the MA and Controller or proper functioning of the MA. The M= A knows this as part of their TaskCapability reporting (which somehow got d= eleted in draft 05). As to the reporting of the status I would do the following: Add an OperationalStatus attribute with the following values to the action = object (which was scheduled task): enabled, disabled-schedule, disabled-tas= k, disabled-other. I would also add an OperationalStatus to: 1) Schedule object with the following values: enabled, disabled-suppressed,= disabled-other. 2) Task object (I guess it could go in Task Status) with the following valu= es: enabled, disabled-suppressed, disabled-ma, disabled-other. 3) Measurement Agent object with the following values: enabled, degraded-co= ntroller-communication, degraded-other, disabled. We would always include a disabled-other to allow other conditions. For exa= mple in TR-069 we have the capability to administratively enable/disable th= e multi-instance objects by conventions - so if for some reason these were = administratively disabled - we would set the OperationalStatus to disabled-= other or just disabled for the MA. These status' would provide a clear operational status of the elements that= can be disabled or degraded based on what is currently documented in the f= ramework and information model. I would suspect as we implement protocols t= here might be other values we want to support - e.g., problems with the col= lector-MA communication... BR, Tim -----Original Message----- From: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de]=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 9:20 AM To: Carey, Timothy (Timothy) Cc: lmap@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lmap] draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: Controller timeou= t On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 01:04:49PM +0000, Carey, Timothy (Timothy) wrote: > So does that now mean we need to have a operational status now for a=20 > scheduled task? I can see it now as attribute with values like: > enabled, disabled, suppressed and errored or possibly a conditions=20 > object? I think there two questions here: a) If I loose connectivity, do I disable all schedules (and thus implicitely all actions) or do I disable scheduled tasks? My idea was to simply disable all schedules (and as such the schedules have their state changed to disabled). The suppression mechanism can suppress both a list of tasks and a list of schedules and it is configurable what is being suppressed. One option is that loss of connectivity simply causes suppression to be activated. Another option is that loss of connectivity supresses all tasks that are not essential for communication with a controller and house keeping. Another option is that loss of connectivity suppresses all schedules. We need to select one. b) Do we expose the internal state that is maintained? Right now, we do not expose any operational state for schedules. But we do expose operational state for tasks. If loss of connectivity means we disable all tasks that are not essential for communication with a controller and house keeping, than exposing that information would be a rather minor change to the information and data model. A task state would then be enabled (default), suppressed or disabled. Error information is already covered in the last-failed attributes of a task. (And this is useful in situations where tasks fail occasionally so you can get information about the last failure even though the task is working fine right now). /js --=20 Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Wed May 13 12:54:32 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0780B1A8A10 for ; Wed, 13 May 2015 12:54:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.225 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.225 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_MODEMCABLE=0.768, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE=1.368, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id srVn-NAZLZOg for ; Wed, 13 May 2015 12:54:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdcipgw01.twcable.com (cdcipgw01.twcable.com [165.237.91.110]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7BB71A8A01 for ; Wed, 13 May 2015 12:54:28 -0700 (PDT) X-SENDER-IP: 10.136.163.15 X-SENDER-REPUTATION: None X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.13,422,1427774400"; d="scan'208";a="296310621" Received: from unknown (HELO PRVPEXHUB06.corp.twcable.com) ([10.136.163.15]) by cdcipgw01.twcable.com with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-MD5; 13 May 2015 15:54:40 -0400 Received: from PRVPEXVS17.corp.twcable.com ([10.136.163.96]) by PRVPEXHUB06.corp.twcable.com ([10.136.163.15]) with mapi; Wed, 13 May 2015 15:54:26 -0400 From: "Weil, Jason" To: "Carey, Timothy (Timothy)" , Juergen Schoenwaelder Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 15:54:25 -0400 Thread-Topic: [lmap] draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: Controller timeout Thread-Index: AdCNtp3LlYr2JREFSGGsjtckzenHyA== Message-ID: References: <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2612C2@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> <20150512100724.GC26662@elstar.local> <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2616F5@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> <20150512124209.GC41964@elstar.local> <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA261858@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> <20150512142006.GB57299@elstar.local> <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2626E6@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> In-Reply-To: <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2626E6@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.9.150325 acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "lmap@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [lmap] draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: Controller timeout X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 19:54:31 -0000 I am not exactly clear what the difference is between disabled and suppressed tasks or schedules. It would seem that suppression is a good fit for the case of loss of connectivity from the way it is described in the information model when the the ma-controller-lost-timeout counter expires. Given this following note in 3.3 ("Note that Suppression has no effect on either Controller Tasks or Controller Schedules.=B2) it would clearly not impact future attempts to re-establish connectivity to the Controller and start testing where it left off. This may also benefit an operator by offering finer control over which tests should be suppressed and which shouldn=B9t in the event of loss of connectivity to the controller. For example if may be of benefit for troubleshooting an issue to have a certain subset of tests continue running and collecting data even when connectivity to the controller is not available. Jason On 5/13/15, 8:37 AM, "Carey, Timothy (Timothy)" wrote: >Juergen, > >If you do not want to disable the scheduled tasks - I would actually say >the Parent tasks not the schedules are disabled. The reason is because we >are talking about wanted to disable Tasks that are not related to the >communication between the MA and Controller or proper functioning of the >MA. The MA knows this as part of their TaskCapability reporting (which >somehow got deleted in draft 05). > >As to the reporting of the status I would do the following: >Add an OperationalStatus attribute with the following values to the >action object (which was scheduled task): enabled, disabled-schedule, >disabled-task, disabled-other. > > > >I would also add an OperationalStatus to: >1) Schedule object with the following values: enabled, >disabled-suppressed, disabled-other. >2) Task object (I guess it could go in Task Status) with the following >values: enabled, disabled-suppressed, disabled-ma, disabled-other. >3) Measurement Agent object with the following values: enabled, >degraded-controller-communication, degraded-other, disabled. > >We would always include a disabled-other to allow other conditions. For >example in TR-069 we have the capability to administratively >enable/disable the multi-instance objects by conventions - so if for some >reason these were administratively disabled - we would set the >OperationalStatus to disabled-other or just disabled for the MA. > >These status' would provide a clear operational status of the elements >that can be disabled or degraded based on what is currently documented in >the framework and information model. I would suspect as we implement >protocols there might be other values we want to support - e.g., problems >with the collector-MA communication... > >BR, >Tim >-----Original Message----- >From: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de] >Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 9:20 AM >To: Carey, Timothy (Timothy) >Cc: lmap@ietf.org >Subject: Re: [lmap] draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: Controller >timeout > >On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 01:04:49PM +0000, Carey, Timothy (Timothy) wrote: > >> So does that now mean we need to have a operational status now for a >> scheduled task? I can see it now as attribute with values like: >> enabled, disabled, suppressed and errored or possibly a conditions >> object? > >I think there two questions here: > >a) If I loose connectivity, do I disable all schedules (and thus > implicitely all actions) or do I disable scheduled tasks? My idea > was to simply disable all schedules (and as such the schedules have > their state changed to disabled). > > The suppression mechanism can suppress both a list of tasks and a > list of schedules and it is configurable what is being suppressed. > > One option is that loss of connectivity simply causes suppression > to be activated. Another option is that loss of connectivity > supresses all tasks that are not essential for communication with a > controller and house keeping. Another option is that loss of > connectivity suppresses all schedules. We need to select one. > >b) Do we expose the internal state that is maintained? Right now, we > do not expose any operational state for schedules. But we do expose > operational state for tasks. If loss of connectivity means we > disable all tasks that are not essential for communication with a > controller and house keeping, than exposing that information would > be a rather minor change to the information and data model. > > A task state would then be enabled (default), suppressed or > disabled. Error information is already covered in the last-failed > attributes of a task. (And this is useful in situations where tasks > fail occasionally so you can get information about the last failure > even though the task is working fine right now). > >/js > >-- >Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH >Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany >Fax: +49 421 200 3103 > >_______________________________________________ >lmap mailing list >lmap@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lmap This E-mail and any of its attachments may contain Time Warner Cable propri= etary information, which is privileged, confidential, or subject to copyrig= ht belonging to Time Warner Cable. This E-mail is intended solely for the u= se of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the= intended recipient of this E-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissem= ination, distribution, copying, or action taken in relation to the contents= of and attachments to this E-mail is strictly prohibited and may be unlawf= ul. 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From nobody Wed May 13 13:21:54 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDFC81B315B for ; Wed, 13 May 2015 13:21:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bt0F5chBhmCo for ; Wed, 13 May 2015 13:21:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-fr.alcatel-lucent.com (fr-hpida-esg-02.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.210.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D320A1B315A for ; Wed, 13 May 2015 13:21:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from us70uusmtp4.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.5.2.66]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id ECEB83B2BFEE8; Wed, 13 May 2015 20:21:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from US70UWXCHHUB02.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (us70uwxchhub02.zam.alcatel-lucent.com [135.5.2.49]) by us70uusmtp4.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id t4DKLla0022058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 May 2015 16:21:47 -0400 Received: from US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([169.254.10.167]) by US70UWXCHHUB02.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.5.2.49]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Wed, 13 May 2015 16:21:46 -0400 From: "Carey, Timothy (Timothy)" To: "Weil, Jason" , Juergen Schoenwaelder Thread-Topic: [lmap] draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: Controller timeout Thread-Index: AdCMHecUFUgxoWRISVOQIyTHkXEC2AAnxEkAAATNJ5AAAJpsgAAH9ouw///bqQD//tQ9MIADG4CAgABBzSA= Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 20:21:47 +0000 Message-ID: <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA262F9B@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> References: <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2612C2@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> <20150512100724.GC26662@elstar.local> <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2616F5@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> <20150512124209.GC41964@elstar.local> <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA261858@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> <20150512142006.GB57299@elstar.local> <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2626E6@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.5.27.18] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "lmap@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [lmap] draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: Controller timeout X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 20:21:54 -0000 Jason, Suppression is an administrative action taken through an instruction by the= controller. Loss of connectivity (disable schedule or task) is an autonomo= us operational action taken by the MA. The problem is reporting and recover= y - How does a management system know, in order to troubleshoot or remediat= e the event, if the schedule or task (along with the resulting scheduled ac= tions) have been disabled due to an administrative action like suppression = or via an autonomous action like loss of connectivity.=20 If we would choose to treat the result of the loss of connectivity as an au= tonomous suppression event - I am fine with that but we need the MA to be a= ble to report that the task, schedule and resulting scheduled actions are a= utonomously suppressed (what I called disabled). Likewise we should report = that the MA is degraded because it currently is being autonomously or admin= istratively suppressed. The MA will at least need to reevaluate its conditi= ons once one clears to figure out its new status. Come to think of it - can a system other than the controller have access to= the LMAP status information? I guess this all mute if the only system allo= wed access to the status information is the controller that the MA can't ac= cess with Loss of connectivity. In TR-069 this is possible since the contro= ller can be different from the ACS and we can have other systems that can a= ccess the data. I'm guessing NETConf/RESTConf allows the same. BR, Tim -----Original Message----- From: Weil, Jason [mailto:jason.weil@twcable.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 2:54 PM To: Carey, Timothy (Timothy); Juergen Schoenwaelder Cc: lmap@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lmap] draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: Controller timeou= t I am not exactly clear what the difference is between disabled and suppress= ed tasks or schedules. It would seem that suppression is a good fit for the= case of loss of connectivity from the way it is described in the informati= on model when the the ma-controller-lost-timeout counter expires. Given thi= s following note in 3.3 ("Note that Suppression has no effect on either Con= troller Tasks or Controller Schedules.=B2) it would clearly not impact futu= re attempts to re-establish connectivity to the Controller and start testin= g where it left off. This may also benefit an operator by offering finer co= ntrol over which tests should be suppressed and which shouldn=B9t in the ev= ent of loss of connectivity to the controller. For example if may be of ben= efit for troubleshooting an issue to have a certain subset of tests continu= e running and collecting data even when connectivity to the controller is n= ot available. Jason On 5/13/15, 8:37 AM, "Carey, Timothy (Timothy)" wrote: >Juergen, > >If you do not want to disable the scheduled tasks - I would actually=20 >say the Parent tasks not the schedules are disabled. The reason is=20 >because we are talking about wanted to disable Tasks that are not=20 >related to the communication between the MA and Controller or proper=20 >functioning of the MA. The MA knows this as part of their=20 >TaskCapability reporting (which somehow got deleted in draft 05). > >As to the reporting of the status I would do the following: >Add an OperationalStatus attribute with the following values to the=20 >action object (which was scheduled task): enabled, disabled-schedule,=20 >disabled-task, disabled-other. > > > >I would also add an OperationalStatus to: >1) Schedule object with the following values: enabled,=20 >disabled-suppressed, disabled-other. >2) Task object (I guess it could go in Task Status) with the following >values: enabled, disabled-suppressed, disabled-ma, disabled-other. >3) Measurement Agent object with the following values: enabled,=20 >degraded-controller-communication, degraded-other, disabled. > >We would always include a disabled-other to allow other conditions. For=20 >example in TR-069 we have the capability to administratively=20 >enable/disable the multi-instance objects by conventions - so if for=20 >some reason these were administratively disabled - we would set the=20 >OperationalStatus to disabled-other or just disabled for the MA. > >These status' would provide a clear operational status of the elements=20 >that can be disabled or degraded based on what is currently documented=20 >in the framework and information model. I would suspect as we implement=20 >protocols there might be other values we want to support - e.g.,=20 >problems with the collector-MA communication... > >BR, >Tim >-----Original Message----- >From: Juergen Schoenwaelder=20 >[mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de] >Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 9:20 AM >To: Carey, Timothy (Timothy) >Cc: lmap@ietf.org >Subject: Re: [lmap] draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: Controller=20 >timeout > >On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 01:04:49PM +0000, Carey, Timothy (Timothy) wrote: > >> So does that now mean we need to have a operational status now for a=20 >> scheduled task? I can see it now as attribute with values like: >> enabled, disabled, suppressed and errored or possibly a conditions=20 >> object? > >I think there two questions here: > >a) If I loose connectivity, do I disable all schedules (and thus > implicitely all actions) or do I disable scheduled tasks? My idea > was to simply disable all schedules (and as such the schedules have > their state changed to disabled). > > The suppression mechanism can suppress both a list of tasks and a > list of schedules and it is configurable what is being suppressed. > > One option is that loss of connectivity simply causes suppression > to be activated. Another option is that loss of connectivity > supresses all tasks that are not essential for communication with a > controller and house keeping. Another option is that loss of > connectivity suppresses all schedules. We need to select one. > >b) Do we expose the internal state that is maintained? Right now, we > do not expose any operational state for schedules. But we do expose > operational state for tasks. If loss of connectivity means we > disable all tasks that are not essential for communication with a > controller and house keeping, than exposing that information would > be a rather minor change to the information and data model. > > A task state would then be enabled (default), suppressed or > disabled. Error information is already covered in the last-failed > attributes of a task. (And this is useful in situations where tasks > fail occasionally so you can get information about the last failure > even though the task is working fine right now). > >/js > >-- >Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH >Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany >Fax: +49 421 200 3103 > >_______________________________________________ >lmap mailing list >lmap@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lmap This E-mail and any of its attachments may contain Time Warner Cable propri= etary information, which is privileged, confidential, or subject to copyrig= ht belonging to Time Warner Cable. This E-mail is intended solely for the u= se of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the= intended recipient of this E-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissem= ination, distribution, copying, or action taken in relation to the contents= of and attachments to this E-mail is strictly prohibited and may be unlawf= ul. 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MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [lmap] draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: MA task capabilities X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 12:08:10 -0000 --_000_9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2640A2US70UWXCHMBA05z_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Juergen, Any idea on why the task capabilities and conditions were removed from the = MA status in the information model? Thanks, Tim From: Carey, Timothy (Timothy) Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 2:33 PM To: lmap@ietf.org Subject: draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: MA task capabilities Team, I was reviewing draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05 and had a question on = the what happened to the task capabilities and conditions as part of the MA= status. The text is still in the draft but the elements are gone... Any help would be appreciated Thanks, Tim --_000_9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2640A2US70UWXCHMBA05z_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Juergen,

 

Any idea on why the task capabilities= and conditions were removed from the MA status in the information model?

 

Thanks,

Tim

 

From: Carey, T= imothy (Timothy)
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 2:33 PM
To: lmap@ietf.org
Subject: draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: MA task capabilities<= o:p>

 

Team,

 

I was reviewing draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-0= 5 and had a question on the what happened to the task capabilities and cond= itions as part of the MA status. The text is still in the draft but the elements are gone…

 

Any help would be appreciated

 

Thanks,

Tim

 

--_000_9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2640A2US70UWXCHMBA05z_-- From nobody Tue May 19 05:28:10 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEAAF1B2E8C for ; Tue, 19 May 2015 05:28:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xETi58AcdYp9 for ; Tue, 19 May 2015 05:28:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p-us1-iereast-outbound.us1.avaya.com (p-us1-iereast-outbound.us1.avaya.com [135.11.29.13]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A4A691B2E87 for ; Tue, 19 May 2015 05:28:00 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AswFADArW1XGmAcV/2dsb2JhbABcgkUhKlRksn4BAQEBAQEGBZlOAoE8TAEBAQEBAYELhCQBAQMSCxBeAQwJFVYmAQQbGogKAaEZhQivDAwBH4YWiXiDT4EWBZJsjCSDaIJyjw4jYYMXgjSBAQEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.13,458,1427774400"; d="scan'208,217";a="121232011" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest-exch.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.21]) by p-us1-iereast-outbound.us1.avaya.com with ESMTP; 19 May 2015 08:27:59 -0400 X-OutboundMail_SMTP: 1 Received: from unknown (HELO AZ-FFEXHC04.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.58.14]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 19 May 2015 08:27:59 -0400 Received: from AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com ([fe80::6db7:b0af:8480:c126]) by AZ-FFEXHC04.global.avaya.com ([135.64.58.14]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Tue, 19 May 2015 14:27:57 +0200 From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "lmap@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: LMAP WG meeting at IETF 93 - call for agenda items Thread-Index: AdCSLzwjbOK1dvn4TQyigaeoPC72Gg== Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 12:27:57 +0000 Message-ID: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5CA33B2C@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.64.58.47] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5CA33B2CAZFFEXMB04globa_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [lmap] LMAP WG meeting at IETF 93 - call for agenda items X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 12:28:06 -0000 --_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5CA33B2CAZFFEXMB04globa_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, This is a call for agenda items for the LMAP WG meeting at IETF 93. If you = believe that you need time on the agenda to discuss LMAP related items plea= se let me and Jason know as soon as possible, specifying the topic, relevan= t documents and required time. The items related to the WG chartered work a= nd deliverables will have priority. Thanks and Regards, Dan --_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5CA33B2CAZFFEXMB04globa_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

This is a call for agenda items for the LMAP WG meet= ing at IETF 93. If you believe that you need time on the agenda to discuss = LMAP related items please let me and Jason know as soon as possible, specif= ying the topic, relevant documents and required time. The items related to the WG chartered work and delivera= bles will have priority.

 

Thanks and Regards,

 

Dan

 

--_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5CA33B2CAZFFEXMB04globa_-- From nobody Tue May 19 17:12:02 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E5CB1A9045 for ; Tue, 19 May 2015 17:12:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.909 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.909 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O177o9PXZZJs for ; Tue, 19 May 2015 17:11:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-fr.alcatel-lucent.com (fr-hpgre-esg-01.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.210.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 522791ACD01 for ; Tue, 19 May 2015 17:11:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from us70tusmtp1.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.5.2.63]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id 58ECAFD6F0CB; Wed, 20 May 2015 00:11:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from US70TWXCHHUB04.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (us70twxchhub04.zam.alcatel-lucent.com [135.5.2.36]) by us70tusmtp1.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id t4K0BtVY007937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 May 2015 20:11:55 -0400 Received: from US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([169.254.10.167]) by US70TWXCHHUB04.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.5.2.36]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Tue, 19 May 2015 20:11:55 -0400 From: "Carey, Timothy (Timothy)" To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" , "lmap@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [lmap] LMAP WG meeting at IETF 93 - call for agenda items Thread-Index: AQHQkmZAsH0+9jtQ6Um/o2YemFyml52D/OFA Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 00:11:53 +0000 Message-ID: <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2673C8@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> References: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5CA33B2C@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> In-Reply-To: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5CA33B2C@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.5.27.16] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2673C8US70UWXCHMBA05z_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [lmap] LMAP WG meeting at IETF 93 - call for agenda items X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 00:12:01 -0000 --_000_9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2673C8US70UWXCHMBA05z_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dan, I have 3 outstanding questions on the email reflector that we might need to= discuss in the face to face? 1) Processing and status reporting when a MA to Controller communication= timeout occurs 2) MA status missing elements for Task Capabilities and Conditions 3) The ma-report-row-object where result values should include how it re= lates to the column labels BR, Tim From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 9:28 PM To: lmap@ietf.org Subject: [lmap] LMAP WG meeting at IETF 93 - call for agenda items Hi, This is a call for agenda items for the LMAP WG meeting at IETF 93. If you = believe that you need time on the agenda to discuss LMAP related items plea= se let me and Jason know as soon as possible, specifying the topic, relevan= t documents and required time. The items related to the WG chartered work a= nd deliverables will have priority. Thanks and Regards, Dan --_000_9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2673C8US70UWXCHMBA05z_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dan,

 

I have 3 outstanding questions on the= email reflector that we might need to discuss in the face to face?

1)   = ; Processing and status reporti= ng when a MA to Controller communication timeout occurs

2)   = ; MA status missing elements fo= r Task Capabilities and Conditions

3)   = ; The ma-report-row-object where result values should inclu= de how it relates to the column labels

 

BR,

Tim

 

From: Romascan= u, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 9:28 PM
To: lmap@ietf.org
Subject: [lmap] LMAP WG meeting at IETF 93 - call for agenda items

 

Hi,

 

This is a call for agenda items for the LMAP WG meet= ing at IETF 93. If you believe that you need time on the agenda to discuss = LMAP related items please let me and Jason know as soon as possible, specif= ying the topic, relevant documents and required time. The items related to the WG chartered work and delivera= bles will have priority.

 

Thanks and Regards,

 

Dan

 

--_000_9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2673C8US70UWXCHMBA05z_-- From nobody Wed May 20 01:30:37 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CAF21A0338 for ; Wed, 20 May 2015 01:30:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YOTLUuukUw2M for ; Wed, 20 May 2015 01:30:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com (de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.71.100]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3B161A1A9B for ; Wed, 20 May 2015 01:30:31 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq8FAAFFXFXGmAcV/2dsb2JhbABcgkUhKlReBrJzBplWAoE9TAEBAQEBAYELhCIBAQEBAxILEFwCAQgNBAQBAQsdBzIUCQgCBAESCBqICgGcaq52AQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBF4YWhSSEIhEBIDcBgxeBFgWScIwng2uCc48PI2GDF2+BDDqBAQEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.13,464,1427774400"; d="scan'208,217";a="103351848" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest-exch.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.21]) by de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 20 May 2015 04:30:28 -0400 X-OutboundMail_SMTP: 1 Received: from unknown (HELO AZ-FFEXHC04.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.58.14]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 20 May 2015 04:30:28 -0400 Received: from AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com ([fe80::6db7:b0af:8480:c126]) by AZ-FFEXHC04.global.avaya.com ([135.64.58.14]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Wed, 20 May 2015 10:30:26 +0200 From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Carey, Timothy (Timothy)" , "lmap@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [lmap] LMAP WG meeting at IETF 93 - call for agenda items Thread-Index: AQHQkmZAsH0+9jtQ6Um/o2YemFyml52D/OFAgACMfEA= Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 08:30:26 +0000 Message-ID: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5CA34A91@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> References: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5CA33B2C@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2673C8@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> In-Reply-To: <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2673C8@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.64.58.47] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5CA34A91AZFFEXMB04globa_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [lmap] LMAP WG meeting at IETF 93 - call for agenda items X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 08:30:34 -0000 --_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5CA34A91AZFFEXMB04globa_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Assuming that these issues remain open until IETF 93 - do all these belong = to the Information Model? Regards, Dan From: Carey, Timothy (Timothy) [mailto:timothy.carey@alcatel-lucent.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 3:12 AM To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); lmap@ietf.org Subject: RE: [lmap] LMAP WG meeting at IETF 93 - call for agenda items Dan, I have 3 outstanding questions on the email reflector that we might need to= discuss in the face to face? 1) Processing and status reporting when a MA to Controller communication= timeout occurs 2) MA status missing elements for Task Capabilities and Conditions 3) The ma-report-row-object where result values should include how it re= lates to the column labels BR, Tim From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 9:28 PM To: lmap@ietf.org Subject: [lmap] LMAP WG meeting at IETF 93 - call for agenda items Hi, This is a call for agenda items for the LMAP WG meeting at IETF 93. If you = believe that you need time on the agenda to discuss LMAP related items plea= se let me and Jason know as soon as possible, specifying the topic, relevan= t documents and required time. The items related to the WG chartered work a= nd deliverables will have priority. Thanks and Regards, Dan --_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5CA34A91AZFFEXMB04globa_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Assuming that these is= sues remain open until IETF 93 – do all these belong to the Informati= on Model?

 

Regards,

 

Dan<= /p>

 

 

From: Carey, T= imothy (Timothy) [mailto:timothy.carey@alcatel-lucent.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 3:12 AM
To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); lmap@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [lmap] LMAP WG meeting at IETF 93 - call for agenda ite= ms

 

Dan,

 

I have 3 outstanding questions on the= email reflector that we might need to discuss in the face to face?

1)  &nbs= p; Proc= essing and status reporting when a MA to Controller communication timeout o= ccurs

2)  &nbs= p; MA s= tatus missing elements for Task Capabilities and Conditions

3)  &nbs= p; The = ma-report-row-object where result values should include how it relates to t= he column labels

 

BR,

Tim

 

From: Romascan= u, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.c= om]
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 9:28 PM
To: lmap@ietf.org
Subject: [lmap] LMAP WG meeting at IETF 93 - call for agenda items

 

Hi,

 

This is a call for agenda items for the LMAP WG meet= ing at IETF 93. If you believe that you need time on the agenda to discuss = LMAP related items please let me and Jason know as soon as possible, specif= ying the topic, relevant documents and required time. The items related to the WG chartered work and delivera= bles will have priority.

 

Thanks and Regards,

 

Dan

 

--_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5CA34A91AZFFEXMB04globa_-- From nobody Wed May 20 01:31:42 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 051B61A03FF for ; Wed, 20 May 2015 01:31:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.909 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.909 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hTY0TANqSWHO for ; Wed, 20 May 2015 01:31:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-fr.alcatel-lucent.com (fr-hpgre-esg-01.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.210.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7021D1A0338 for ; Wed, 20 May 2015 01:31:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from us70tusmtp1.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.5.2.63]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id DE6B686FE3C8D; Wed, 20 May 2015 08:31:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from US70TWXCHHUB04.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (us70twxchhub04.zam.alcatel-lucent.com [135.5.2.36]) by us70tusmtp1.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id t4K8VY8G019930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 May 2015 04:31:34 -0400 Received: from US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([169.254.10.167]) by US70TWXCHHUB04.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.5.2.36]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Wed, 20 May 2015 04:31:34 -0400 From: "Carey, Timothy (Timothy)" To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" , "lmap@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [lmap] LMAP WG meeting at IETF 93 - call for agenda items Thread-Index: AQHQkmZAsH0+9jtQ6Um/o2YemFyml52D/OFAgACMfECAAAB+QA== Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 08:31:32 +0000 Message-ID: <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA267B6D@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> References: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5CA33B2C@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA2673C8@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5CA34A91@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> In-Reply-To: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5CA34A91@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.5.27.16] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA267B6DUS70UWXCHMBA05z_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [lmap] LMAP WG meeting at IETF 93 - call for agenda items X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 08:31:41 -0000 --_000_9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA267B6DUS70UWXCHMBA05z_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes - they are all Information model related BR, Tim From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 5:30 PM To: Carey, Timothy (Timothy); lmap@ietf.org Subject: RE: [lmap] LMAP WG meeting at IETF 93 - call for agenda items Assuming that these issues remain open until IETF 93 - do all these belong = to the Information Model? Regards, Dan From: Carey, Timothy (Timothy) [mailto:timothy.carey@alcatel-lucent.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 3:12 AM To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); lmap@ietf.org Subject: RE: [lmap] LMAP WG meeting at IETF 93 - call for agenda items Dan, I have 3 outstanding questions on the email reflector that we might need to= discuss in the face to face? 1) Processing and status reporting when a MA to Controller communication= timeout occurs 2) MA status missing elements for Task Capabilities and Conditions 3) The ma-report-row-object where result values should include how it re= lates to the column labels BR, Tim From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 9:28 PM To: lmap@ietf.org Subject: [lmap] LMAP WG meeting at IETF 93 - call for agenda items Hi, This is a call for agenda items for the LMAP WG meeting at IETF 93. If you = believe that you need time on the agenda to discuss LMAP related items plea= se let me and Jason know as soon as possible, specifying the topic, relevan= t documents and required time. The items related to the WG chartered work a= nd deliverables will have priority. Thanks and Regards, Dan --_000_9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA267B6DUS70UWXCHMBA05z_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes – they are all Information = model related

 

BR,

Tim

 

From: Romascan= u, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 5:30 PM
To: Carey, Timothy (Timothy); lmap@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [lmap] LMAP WG meeting at IETF 93 - call for agenda ite= ms

 

Assuming that these is= sues remain open until IETF 93 – do all these belong to the Informati= on Model?

 

Regards,

 

Dan<= /p>

 

 

From: Carey, T= imothy (Timothy) [mailt= o:timothy.carey@alcatel-lucent.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 3:12 AM
To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); lmap@ietf= .org
Subject: RE: [lmap] LMAP WG meeting at IETF 93 - call for agenda ite= ms

 

Dan,

 

I have 3 outstanding questions on the= email reflector that we might need to discuss in the face to face?

1)   = ; Processing and status reporti= ng when a MA to Controller communication timeout occurs

2)   = ; MA status missing elements fo= r Task Capabilities and Conditions

3)   = ; The ma-report-row-object wher= e result values should include how it relates to the column labels

 

BR,

Tim

 

From: Romascan= u, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.c= om]
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 9:28 PM
To: lmap@ietf.org
Subject: [lmap] LMAP WG meeting at IETF 93 - call for agenda items

 

Hi,

 

This is a call for agenda items for the LMAP WG meet= ing at IETF 93. If you believe that you need time on the agenda to discuss = LMAP related items please let me and Jason know as soon as possible, specif= ying the topic, relevant documents and required time. The items related to the WG chartered work and delivera= bles will have priority.

 

Thanks and Regards,

 

Dan

 

--_000_9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA267B6DUS70UWXCHMBA05z_-- From nobody Sat May 23 01:13:00 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2344B1AC3E5 for ; Sat, 23 May 2015 01:12:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.1 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Jctj_-zevIYj for ; Sat, 23 May 2015 01:12:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.bemta5.messagelabs.com (mail1.bemta5.messagelabs.com [195.245.231.148]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 88BEE1AC3E3 for ; Sat, 23 May 2015 01:12:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [85.158.139.211] by server-12.bemta-5.messagelabs.com id 0A/54-02782-18630655; Sat, 23 May 2015 08:12:49 +0000 X-Env-Sender: frode.sorensen@Nkom.no X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-206.messagelabs.com!1432368768!12259765!1 X-Originating-IP: [213.225.64.154] X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.15; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 3710 invoked from network); 23 May 2015 08:12:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO EXCAS.npta.no) (213.225.64.154) by server-5.tower-206.messagelabs.com with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP; 23 May 2015 08:12:48 -0000 Received: from EXMBX01.npta.no ([10.10.2.97]) by EXCAS.npta.no ([fe80::b007:5474:dccd:c4dd%11]) with mapi id 14.03.0224.002; Sat, 23 May 2015 10:12:48 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F8rensen=2C_Frode?= To: "lmap@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Comments on Collaborative LMAP Thread-Index: AdCVLmI9DaYi2g4PRY+4oJ8dqe55Tg== Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 08:12:47 +0000 Message-ID: <793D91975B99224DA9777562FF192808A4DA964A@exmbx01> Accept-Language: nb-NO, en-US Content-Language: nb-NO X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.10.2.44] x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-11.0.0.1251-8.000.1202-21564.000 x-tm-as-result: No--37.930500-8.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: No x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_793D91975B99224DA9777562FF192808A4DA964Aexmbx01_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [lmap] Comments on Collaborative LMAP X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 08:12:58 -0000 --_000_793D91975B99224DA9777562FF192808A4DA964Aexmbx01_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Lingli & Rachel & Shihui, dear all, As agreed with authors of the Collaborative LMAP draft, I circulate a few p= roposals regarding the description of regulators in draft-deng-lmap-collabo= ration-04. The general idea is to generalize the description so it fits dif= ferent types of regulators, since regulation varies from region to region. = Furthermore, I suggest emphasizing the need stakeholders, e.g. regulators, = may have regarding interworking between different measurement systems as a = major motivation for a collaborative LMAP architecture. Frode Section 1, paragraph on page 3 ----------------------------------------- Suggested new wording, added last sentence (could also consider making the = last sentence the first motivation in the list): On the other hand, for a large network, collaboration between multiple Controllers may also be needed for performing local measurement tasks, either because there is a practical limit on the number of MAs a single Controller can manage simultaneously for scalability considerations, because that a local task may involve multiple MAs that are speaking different languages (i.e. different control/report protocols), or because different organizations want to interconnect their measurement systems. Section 1, paragraph on page 4 ----------------------------------------- Suggested new wording, minor modification + added last sentence: This document discusses the motivation and use-cases for collaborative LMAP practices, where multiple autonomous measurement systems collaborate together to help with QoE enhancement by ICPs, network performance monitoring to guide planning for network infrastructure and cross-boundary troubleshooting for SLA complaints from end consumers, as well as performing regulatory supervision by national regulators. Section 3, top of page 6 ------------------------------- Suggested new wording, shortened the description of regulators to generaliz= e: for multiple parties, including: (1) Internet Service Providers, in solving end user's QoE issues by better managing and optimizing their networks, (2) Internet Content Providers, for enhance its service logic and application design, (3) regulators in examining the status of and guiding future regulation. Section 3, paragraph on page 6 ----------------------------------------- Suggested new wording, modifications + added last sentence: On one hand, for the regulator, in order to stimulate network development, it is necessary to have a clear picture of ISPs' peering performance for interconnection points in addition to their own network construction. Considering the cost of a unified third-party deployment for LMAP MAs at various peering links among ISPs for a large geographic area, it may be more practical to make use of ISPs' autonomou= s LMAP systems for collaboration. Alternatively, regulators in different countries may want to interconnect their own measurement systems to perform cross-border measurements. Section 4.2, on pages 7-8 ----------------------------------------- Suggested new wording, miscellaneous modifications, note the slightly modif= ied headers: 4.2 QoE-oriented network measurements A regulator may want to monitoring the current status and the future development of network construction and operation of its region. In order to promote network development, the regulator needs to monitor the status of interconnection between different ISPs as well as the overall network status. 4.2.1 The current situation of its own region Understanding the current situation of its own region is necessary for a regulator to form guiding policies for stimulating further growth in high-speed networks. In order to get a clear picture of a large geographic area, the regulator may choose to not deploy a dedicated LMAP system on its own, while it's necessary to deploy a large number of MAs. The regulator may achieve this goal by means of the ISP's LMAP and the third-party LMAPs. In that case, multiple organizations would simultaneously deploy their dedicated MAs for private LMAP systems within their network boundary in the same region, and by combining them together a measurement system can mainly cover the whole region's network infrastructure. Through collaboration, MAs from multiple organizations can perform comprehensive measurement for the whole regional network in great depth, which can reflect the network's operational state. 4.2.2 The peering performance between ISPs Low performance of peering links between different ISPs not only has great impact on ICP services, but also on an access ISPs relying on transit ISPs for internet connectivity. For example, a mobile operator lacking access to an internet resource will have to pay interconnections to other operators. The regulator can formulate policies to promote information sharing between ISP networks and investigate the user QoE problem by understandi= ng the interconnection performance. For the same reason, an ISP/ICP can als= o benefit from a more clear understanding of the performance of the interconnection. For example, the data flow for a service request from a mobile terminal to an ICP first goes through the access ISP network and then into the Internet via a transit ISP network. Similarly, before entering the ICP's own private data-center, it may traverse another transit ISP network. As shown in Figure 1, the measurement can be implemented between ISP#1 MA and ISP#2 MA to understand the interconnection quality. --_000_793D91975B99224DA9777562FF192808A4DA964Aexmbx01_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear Lingli & Rachel & = Shihui, dear all,

 

As agreed with authors of the C= ollaborative LMAP draft, I circulate a few proposals regarding the descript= ion of regulators in draft-deng-lmap-collaboration-04. The general idea is = to generalize the description so it fits different types of regulators, since regulation varies from region to= region. Furthermore, I suggest emphasizing the need stakeholders, e.g. reg= ulators, may have regarding interworking between different measurement syst= ems as a major motivation for a collaborative LMAP architecture.

 

Frode

 

 

Section 1, paragraph on page 3

-------------------------------= ----------

Suggested new wording, added la= st sentence (could also consider making the last sentence the first motivat= ion in the list):

 

   On the other hand,= for a large network, collaboration between

   multiple Controlle= rs may also be needed for performing local

   measurement tasks,= either because there is a practical limit on the

   number of MAs a si= ngle Controller can manage simultaneously for

   scalability consid= erations, because that a local task may involve

   multiple MAs that = are speaking different languages (i.e. different

   control/report pro= tocols), or because different organizations want

   to interconne= ct their measurement systems.

 

 

Section 1, paragraph on page 4<= o:p>

-------------------------------= ----------

Suggested new wording, minor mo= dification + added last sentence:

 

   This document disc= usses the motivation and use-cases for

   collaborative LMAP= practices, where multiple autonomous measurement

   systems collaborat= e together to help with QoE enhancement by ICPs,

   network performanc= e monitoring to guide planning for network

   infrastructur= e and cross-boundary troubleshooting for SLA complaints

   from end cons= umers, as well as performing regulatory supervision by

   national regu= lators.

 

 

Section 3, top of page 6

-------------------------------=

Suggested new wording, shortene= d the description of regulators to generalize:

 

   for multiple parti= es, including: (1) Internet Service Providers, in

   solving end user's= QoE issues by better managing and optimizing their

   networks, (2) Inte= rnet Content Providers, for enhance its service

   logic and applicat= ion design, (3) regulators in examining the status

   of and guiding fut= ure regulation.

 

 

Section 3, paragraph on page 6<= o:p>

-------------------------------= ----------

Suggested new wording, modifica= tions + added last sentence:

 

   On one hand, for t= he regulator, in order to stimulate network

   development, = it is necessary to have a clear picture of ISPs' peering

   performance f= or interconnection points in addition to their own

   network constructi= on. Considering the cost of a unified third-party

   deployment fo= r LMAP MAs at various peering links among ISPs for a large

   geographic ar= ea, it may be more practical to make use of ISPs' autonomous

   LMAP systems = for collaboration. Alternatively, regulators in different

   countries may= want to interconnect their own measurement systems to

   perform cross= -border measurements.

 

 

Section 4.2, on pages 7-8<= /o:p>

-------------------------------= ----------

Suggested new wording, miscella= neous modifications, note the slightly modified headers:<= /p>

 

4.2 QoE-oriented network measur= ements

 

   A regulator may wa= nt to monitoring the current status and

   the future develop= ment of network construction and operation of its

   region. In order t= o promote network development, the

   regulator needs to= monitor the status of interconnection between

   different ISPs as = well as the overall network status.

 

4.2.1 The current situation of = its own region

 

   Understanding the = current situation of its own region is

   necessary for= a regulator to form guiding policies for stimulating

   further growt= h in high-speed networks.

   In order to get a = clear picture of a large geographic area,

   the regulator may = choose to not deploy a dedicated LMAP system

   on its own, while = it's necessary to deploy a large number of MAs.

   The regulator= may achieve this goal by means of the ISP's LMAP

   and the third= -party LMAPs.

 

   In that case, mult= iple organizations would

   simultaneously dep= loy their dedicated MAs for private LMAP systems

   within their netwo= rk boundary in the same region, and by combining

   them together a me= asurement system can mainly cover the whole

   region's network i= nfrastructure. Through collaboration, MAs from

   multiple organizat= ions can perform comprehensive measurement for the

   whole regional net= work in great depth, which can reflect the

   network's ope= rational state.

 

4.2.2 The peering performance b= etween ISPs

 

   Low performance of= peering links between different ISPs not only has

   great impact on IC= P services, but also on an access ISPs relying

   on transit ISPs fo= r internet connectivity. For example, a mobile

   operator lacking a= ccess to an internet resource will have to pay

   interconnections t= o other operators. The regulator can

   formulate policies= to promote information sharing

   between ISP networ= ks and investigate the user QoE problem by understanding<= /p>

   the interconnectio= n performance. For the same reason, an ISP/ICP can also

   benefit from a mor= e clear understanding of the performance of the

   interconnection.

 

   For example, the d= ata flow for a service request from a mobile

   terminal to an ICP= first goes through the access ISP network

   and then into the = Internet via a transit ISP network. Similarly,

   before entering th= e ICP's own private data-center, it may traverse

   another transit IS= P network. As shown in Figure 1, the measurement

   can be implemented= between ISP#1 MA and ISP#2 MA to understand the

   interconnec= tion quality.

 

--_000_793D91975B99224DA9777562FF192808A4DA964Aexmbx01_-- From nobody Tue May 26 12:45:15 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C0CD1B2D29 for ; Tue, 26 May 2015 12:45:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9uLt6mPB8TXM for ; Tue, 26 May 2015 12:45:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-fr.alcatel-lucent.com (fr-hpida-esg-02.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.210.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A5E7D1ACE52 for ; Tue, 26 May 2015 12:45:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from us70uusmtp4.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.5.2.66]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id 10700C31FB45E for ; Tue, 26 May 2015 19:45:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from US70UWXCHHUB01.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (us70uwxchhub01.zam.alcatel-lucent.com [135.5.2.48]) by us70uusmtp4.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id t4QJj6YB006272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 26 May 2015 15:45:06 -0400 Received: from US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([169.254.10.167]) by US70UWXCHHUB01.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.5.2.48]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Tue, 26 May 2015 15:45:06 -0400 From: "Carey, Timothy (Timothy)" To: "Carey, Timothy (Timothy)" , "lmap@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: MA task capabilities Thread-Index: AdCMIUpw2S2M+qmMS1i6YcjLzUYKrwLyxAIg Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 19:45:04 +0000 Message-ID: <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA26EDFD@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.5.27.18] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA26EDFDUS70UWXCHMBA05z_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [lmap] draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: MA task capabilities X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 19:45:13 -0000 --_000_9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA26EDFDUS70UWXCHMBA05z_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Juergen, Any idea on what happened to the task capabilities and conditions in the la= test LMAP information model draft? BR, Tim From: Carey, Timothy (Timothy) Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 2:33 PM To: lmap@ietf.org Subject: draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: MA task capabilities Team, I was reviewing draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05 and had a question on = the what happened to the task capabilities and conditions as part of the MA= status. The text is still in the draft but the elements are gone... Any help would be appreciated Thanks, Tim --_000_9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77BA26EDFDUS70UWXCHMBA05z_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Juergen,

 

Any idea on what happened to the task= capabilities and conditions in the latest LMAP information model draft?

 

BR,

Tim

 

From: Carey, T= imothy (Timothy)
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 2:33 PM
To: lmap@ietf.org
Subject: draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-05: MA task capabilities<= o:p>

 

Team,

 

I was reviewing draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-0= 5 and had a question on the what happened to the task capabilities and cond= itions as part of the MA status. The text is still in the draft but the elements are gone…

 

Any help would be appreciated

 

Thanks,

Tim

 

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