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Juergen,

In previous information models we linked the Registry's outputs with the do=
wnstream tasks.

In LMAP IM-06 draft we now have a concept of an ActionDestination which des=
cribes which schedules are invoked based on the task's output selection. Ho=
wever we do not link back the task output to the ActionDestination via para=
meter in the ActionDestination object (maybe called Output?). Did I miss un=
derstand the intent of the ActionDestination and its linkage?

BR,
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Juergen,

I believe I have resolved this issue.

In re-reading the draft - Actions are still part of the associated Schedule=
 - so they are not stand-alone entities.

The wording in the draft where it said that Actions can feed into schedules=
 confused me at first but now I understand you meant Action destinations fe=
ed into schedules.

BR,
Tim

From: Carey, Timothy (Timothy)
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To: lmap@ietf.org
Subject: draft-ietf-lmap-information-model-06: Actions

Juergen,

If Actions are now considered stand-alone entities outside the schedule. Sh=
ouldn't the MA have a list of Actions available like Tasks and Communicatio=
nChannels?

BR,
Tim

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;,=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;,=
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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;,=
&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">The wording in the draft where it sai=
d that Actions can feed into schedules confused me at first but now I under=
stand you meant Action destinations feed into schedules.<o:p></o:p></span><=
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imothy (Timothy)
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 27, 2015 2:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> lmap@ietf.org<br>
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&quot;sans-serif&quot;">If Actions are now considered stand-alone entities =
outside the schedule. Shouldn&#8217;t the MA have a list of Actions availab=
le like Tasks and CommunicationChannels?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;,=
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Hi,

The virtual interim meeting of the LMAP WG will take place on Tuesday 9/29,=
 between 10AM and noon RT.

The doodle poll for the LMAP virtual interim meeting resulted in a draw bet=
ween two dates. I decided to pick the earlier of the them which will allow =
Juergen Schoenwaelder to participate in the meeting.

Please mark this date and time in your schedules. I will ask the Secretaria=
t to set Webex for this call.

Thanks and Regards,

Dan


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The virtual interim meeting of the LMAP WG will take=
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<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The doodle poll for the LMAP virtual interim meeting=
 resulted in a draw between two dates. I decided to pick the earlier of the=
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<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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(time zone typo fixed)

Hi,

The virtual interim meeting of the LMAP WG will take place on Tuesday 9/29,=
 between 10AM and noon ET.

The doodle poll for the LMAP virtual interim meeting resulted in a draw bet=
ween two dates. I decided to pick the earlier of the them which will allow =
Juergen Schoenwaelder to participate in the meeting.

Please mark this date and time in your schedules. I will ask the Secretaria=
t to set Webex for this call.

Thanks and Regards,

Dan


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The virtual interim meeting of the LMAP WG will take=
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The Large-Scale Measurement of Broadband Performance (LMAP) Working 
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Hi,

I have uploaded the draft minutes of the IETF 93 WG meeting at https://www.=
ietf.org/proceedings/93/minutes/minutes-93-lmap.

The minutes are based on the notes takes by Philip Eardley (thank you!).

Please let me know if anything important is missing, or if anything is mis-=
represented.

Thanks and Regards,

Dan




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Dan,

I am back from vacation and I hope to find time to look at the LMAP
issues in the coming days. Regarding the LMAP meeting at IETF 94, I
need to let you know that I do not plan to travel to Japan.

For remote participation from Europe, it would help if the meeting is
scheduled in the late afternoon (Yokohama time) and it would be nice
to avoid Thursday and Friday late afternoon (since I have teaching
obligations on both days - well Friday afternoon does not matter IETF
wise I guess). I do not know if you also have to accomodate remote
participants from other regions of the world.

/js

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 04:37:13PM +0000, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote:
> It's time to request meeting slots for IETF 94. 
> 
> For the last few meetings we asked for one 2 or 2.5 hours meeting slot. Should we do the same for IETF 94? Any preferences concerning the meeting day? Any new conflicts? 
>  
> Thanks and Regards,
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: WGChairs [mailto:wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of IETF
> > Agenda
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 2:36 AM
> > To: Working Group Chairs
> > Cc: irsg@irtf.org
> > Subject: IETF 94 - Working Group/BOF/IRTF Scheduling
> > 
> > 
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > IETF 94 – Yokohama, Japan
> > Meeting Dates: November 1-6, 2015
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > We are accepting scheduling requests for all Working Groups, BOFs, and
> > Research Groups starting today.
> > 
> > The milestones and deadlines for scheduling-related activities are as follows:
> > Cut-off dates are subject to change.
> > 
> > •	2015-08-03 (Monday): Working Group and BOF scheduling begins. To
> > request a Working Group session, use the IETF Meeting Session Request
> > Tool.
> > •	2015-09-18 (Friday): Cut-off date for requests to schedule Working
> > Group meetings at UTC 23:59. To request a Working Group session, use the
> > IETF Meeting Session Request Tool.
> > •	2015-09-18 (Friday): Cut-off date for BOF proposal requests to Area
> > Directors at UTC 23:59. To request a BOF, please see instructions on
> > Requesting a BOF.
> > •	2015-09-25 (Friday): Cut-off date for Area Directors to approve BOFs
> > at UTC 23:59.
> > •	2015-10-02 (Friday): Preliminary agenda published for comment.
> > •	2015-10-07 (Wednesday): Cut-off date for requests to reschedule
> > Working Group and BOF meetings UTC 23:59.
> > •	2015-10-09 (Friday): Final agenda to be published.
> > •	2015-10-19 (Monday): Draft Working Group agendas due by UTC
> > 23:59, upload using IETF Meeting Materials Management Tool.
> > •	2015-10-26 (Monday): Revised Working Group agendas due by UTC
> > 23:59, upload using IETF Meeting Materials Management Tool.
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> > 23:59, upload using IETF Meeting Materials Management Tool.
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> > date by UTC 23:59, upload using IETF Meeting Materials Management Tool.
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Greetings, all,

As background to a comment made by Robert Kisteleki during the LMAP =
session in Prague on protocols for collaborative measurement among =
autonomous and heterogeneous measurement agents and systems, we've =
recently submitted the mPlane protocol specification as an I-D for the =
information of the LMAP WG and the IETF community as a whole.

There are some fundamental differences between mPlane's design and that =
of LMAP over NET/RESTCONF, as we're trying to solve somewhat different =
problems. These are related both to the presumed autonomy of the =
measurement agents ("probes" in mPlane-ese) and the reduced scope of the =
problem mPlane tries to solve (management of the components is assumed =
to be out of band and component-specific, itself an implication of this =
autonomy); the corresponding architectural principles are detailed in =
Section 3. We're therefore not proposing anything like LMAP-over-mPlane, =
but we do see ease of interoperability between the two protocols as a =
definite goal of mPlane, probably in terms of defining an LMAP core =
registry for building mplane capabilities to represent LMAP =
measurements, and defining an algorithm for mapping capabilities to =
measurement tasks.

Work on the protocol and applications thereof is ongoing (see =
https://ict-mplane.eu/ for the consortium's website). There's running =
code behind this, an alpha-quality-but-improving SDK for Python 3, at =
https://github.com/fp7mplane/protocol-ri. See README.md there for =
instructions on getting started if you'd like to play around with it.

Cheers,

Brian

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> Date: 27 Aug 2015 23:21:34 CEST
> To: "Mirja Kuehlewind" <mirja.kuehlewind@tik.ee.ethz.ch>, "Mirja =
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> A new version of I-D, draft-trammell-mplane-protocol-00.txt
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> Name:		draft-trammell-mplane-protocol
> Revision:	00
> Title:		mPlane Protocol Specification
> Document date:	2015-08-27
> Group:		Individual Submission
> Pages:		51
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> Abstract:
>   This document defines the mPlane architecture for coordination of
>   heterogeneous network measurement components: probes and =
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>   that measure, analyze, and store network measurements, data derived
>   from measurements, and other ancillary data about elements of the
>   network.  The architecture is defined in terms of relationships
>   between components and clients which communicate using the mPlane
>   protocol defined in this document.
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