From nobody Tue May 3 13:16:56 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietf.org Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D809E12D0A3; Tue, 3 May 2016 13:16:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Meeting Session Request Tool\"" To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.19.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160503201654.8276.71741.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 03 May 2016 13:16:54 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: lmap-chairs@ietf.org, alissa@cooperw.in, lmap@ietf.org, jason.weil@twcable.com Subject: [lmap] lmap - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 96 X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 May 2016 20:16:55 -0000 A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Jason Weil, a Chair of the lmap working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Large-Scale Measurement of Broadband Performance Area Name: Operations and Management Area Session Requester: Jason Weil Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours Number of Attendees: 50 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: opsawg netconf netmod xrblock i2nsf supa ippm Second Priority: homenet dnssd Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Fri May 6 15:56:13 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B910212D0EC for ; Fri, 6 May 2016 15:56:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.216 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.216 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.996, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yNIify7KuLEa for ; Fri, 6 May 2016 15:56:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C175312B017 for ; Fri, 6 May 2016 15:56:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml706-cah.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id COD12296; Fri, 06 May 2016 22:56:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from DFWEML701-CAH.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.175) by lhreml706-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.182) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Fri, 6 May 2016 23:56:02 +0100 Received: from DFWEML501-MBB.china.huawei.com ([10.193.5.179]) by dfweml701-cah.china.huawei.com ([10.193.5.175]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Fri, 6 May 2016 15:55:56 -0700 From: Linda Dunbar To: Juergen Schoenwaelder Thread-Topic: Need your help to understand how YANG data model is carried over wire (was Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance Thread-Index: AQHRp+pyIEebrQVaRE67gjRaFnRnrg== Date: Fri, 6 May 2016 22:55:55 +0000 Message-ID: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F657E821EE@dfweml501-mbb> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.192.11.128] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F657E821EEdfweml501mbb_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A020206.572D2106.00C6, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: b7e5798e8ea4c37974922d2efe624f9b Archived-At: Cc: "lmap@ietf.org" Subject: [lmap] Need your help to understand how YANG data model is carried over wire (was Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 May 2016 22:56:11 -0000 --_000_4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F657E821EEdfweml501mbb_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Juergen, This email post is supposed to show how a YANG data model is carried over w= ire: https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/lmap/current/msg02038.html Hope you can help me to resolve those mysteries: - The Controller use a "POST /restconf/data/ietf-lmap:lmap/schedule= s HTTP/1.1" to send a "schedule". But where is the actual "icmp-latency-mea= surement" is actually defined? Where is "report-daily" is defined? They are= all in the form of "strings". So supposedly, any string can be encoded the= re, then what content is carried from "Controller" to the "Measurement Agen= t"? - What purpose do the following two lines achieve? C: Host: example.com C: Content-Type: application/yang.data+json What would happen if those two lines are not there? - What does the following line achieve? C: "timing": "hourly" Thank you very much. Linda Dunbar --_000_4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F657E821EEdfweml501mbb_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Juergen,

 

This email post is sup= posed to show how a YANG data model is carried over wire:  https://w= ww.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/lmap/current/msg02038.html

 

Hope you can help me t= o resolve those mysteries:

 

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actually defined? Where is “report-daily” is defined? They are =
all in the form of “strings”. So supposedly, any string can be =
encoded there, then what content is carried from “Controller” t=
o the “Measurement Agent”?

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What would happen if those two lines are not there?  =

 

-&nb= sp;       What does the = following line achieve? 

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       "timing": "hourly"=

 

Thank you very much. <= o:p>

 

Linda Dunbar

--_000_4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F657E821EEdfweml501mbb_-- From nobody Fri May 6 23:55:53 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C50F12B015 for ; Fri, 6 May 2016 23:55:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.196 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.196 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.996] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0Zrhb1bCUV5Q for ; Fri, 6 May 2016 23:55:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de (atlas3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8C9E412B013 for ; Fri, 6 May 2016 23:55:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D60B311C4; Sat, 7 May 2016 08:55:47 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de ([10.70.0.220]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10030) with ESMTP id HurrjMdgr5FN; Sat, 7 May 2016 08:55:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hermes.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "Jacobs University CA - G01" (verified OK)) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Sat, 7 May 2016 08:55:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.49]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2347920050; Sat, 7 May 2016 08:55:47 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TBbxjTDi4lCV; Sat, 7 May 2016 08:55:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E644020047; Sat, 7 May 2016 08:55:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 554AE3AC9E25; Sat, 7 May 2016 08:55:45 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 7 May 2016 08:55:45 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Linda Dunbar Message-ID: <20160507065545.GA44352@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Linda Dunbar , "lmap@ietf.org" References: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F657E821EE@dfweml501-mbb> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F657E821EE@dfweml501-mbb> User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.0 (2016-04-01) Archived-At: Cc: "lmap@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [lmap] Need your help to understand how YANG data model is carried over wire (was Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 May 2016 06:55:52 -0000 Linda, please take a look at draft-ietf-lmap-yang-04.txt and draft-ietf-lmap-restconf-02.txt. /js On Fri, May 06, 2016 at 10:55:55PM +0000, Linda Dunbar wrote: > Juergen, > > This email post is supposed to show how a YANG data model is carried over wire: https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/lmap/current/msg02038.html > > Hope you can help me to resolve those mysteries: > > > - The Controller use a "POST /restconf/data/ietf-lmap:lmap/schedules HTTP/1.1" to send a "schedule". But where is the actual "icmp-latency-measurement" is actually defined? Where is "report-daily" is defined? They are all in the form of "strings". So supposedly, any string can be encoded there, then what content is carried from "Controller" to the "Measurement Agent"? > > - What purpose do the following two lines achieve? > > C: Host: example.com > > C: Content-Type: application/yang.data+json > > What would happen if those two lines are not there? > > > - What does the following line achieve? > > C: "timing": "hourly" > > > Thank you very much. > > Linda Dunbar -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Mon May 9 16:11:33 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD26212D185 for ; Mon, 9 May 2016 16:11:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.217 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.217 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.996, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c37pcY1Bddj3 for ; Mon, 9 May 2016 16:11:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9ABFE12D152 for ; Mon, 9 May 2016 16:11:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id CJO03727; Mon, 09 May 2016 23:11:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from DFWEML703-CAH.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.177) by lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.130) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Tue, 10 May 2016 00:11:11 +0100 Received: from DFWEML501-MBB.china.huawei.com ([10.193.5.179]) by DFWEML703-CAH.china.huawei.com ([10.193.5.177]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Mon, 9 May 2016 16:11:05 -0700 From: Linda Dunbar To: Juergen Schoenwaelder Thread-Topic: Need your help to understand how YANG data model is carried over wire (was Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance Thread-Index: AQHRp+pyIEebrQVaRE67gjRaFnRnrp+tgHiAgAO9ZSA= Date: Mon, 9 May 2016 23:11:05 +0000 Message-ID: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F657E82C75@dfweml501-mbb> References: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F657E821EE@dfweml501-mbb> <20160507065545.GA44352@elstar.local> In-Reply-To: <20160507065545.GA44352@elstar.local> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.192.11.128] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A020206.57311910.0255, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 5b8d70a47e5330cb25c54310eecf7e47 Archived-At: Cc: "lmap@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [lmap] Need your help to understand how YANG data model is carried over wire (was Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2016 23:11:32 -0000 Juergen,=20 My question was "where the actual "icmp-latency-measurement" is actually de= fined. Your answer is "look at the Draft-ietf-lmap-yang-04", which doesn't = really help me very much.=20 Draft-ietf-lmap-yang-04 has the following. Does it mean that the actual "i= cmp-latency-measurement" is defined by the URI? who provides the actual URI= ? What if the URI doesn't have any "measurement"? =20 icmp-latency-measurement urn:.... "draft-ietf-lmap-restconf-02" only has the following, as if treating "icmp-= latency-measurement" as a known action (But there could be different ways t= o measure ICMP latency".=20 icmp-latency-hourly icmp-latency-measurement daily Thanks, Linda -----Original Message----- From: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de]=20 Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2016 1:56 AM To: Linda Dunbar Cc: lmap@ietf.org Subject: Re: Need your help to understand how YANG data model is carried ov= er wire (was Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance Linda, please take a look at draft-ietf-lmap-yang-04.txt and draft-ietf-lmap-restc= onf-02.txt. /js On Fri, May 06, 2016 at 10:55:55PM +0000, Linda Dunbar wrote: > Juergen, >=20 > This email post is supposed to show how a YANG data model is carried=20 > over wire: =20 > https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/lmap/current/msg02038.html >=20 > Hope you can help me to resolve those mysteries: >=20 >=20 > - The Controller use a "POST /restconf/data/ietf-lmap:lmap/schedu= les HTTP/1.1" to send a "schedule". But where is the actual "icmp-latency-m= easurement" is actually defined? Where is "report-daily" is defined? They a= re all in the form of "strings". So supposedly, any string can be encoded t= here, then what content is carried from "Controller" to the "Measurement Ag= ent"? >=20 > - What purpose do the following two lines achieve? >=20 > C: Host: example.com >=20 > C: Content-Type: application/yang.data+json >=20 > What would happen if those two lines are not there? >=20 >=20 > - What does the following line achieve? >=20 > C: "timing": "hourly" >=20 >=20 > Thank you very much. >=20 > Linda Dunbar --=20 Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Mon May 9 16:28:31 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5593F12B05D for ; Mon, 9 May 2016 16:28:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.196 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.196 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.996] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BzNCskFKh5px for ; Mon, 9 May 2016 16:28:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de (atlas3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 963B21200A0 for ; Mon, 9 May 2016 16:28:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBB8AA9B; Tue, 10 May 2016 01:28:24 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de ([10.70.0.220]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10030) with ESMTP id 8FOPvNvQBxxH; Tue, 10 May 2016 01:28:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hermes.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "Jacobs University CA - G01" (verified OK)) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Tue, 10 May 2016 01:28:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (demetrius3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.48]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC3812004E; Tue, 10 May 2016 01:28:23 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jwr63gNa32Fl; Tue, 10 May 2016 01:28:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD32620047; Tue, 10 May 2016 01:28:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 180963ACCB7F; Tue, 10 May 2016 01:28:21 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 01:28:21 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Linda Dunbar Message-ID: <20160509232821.GA49277@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Linda Dunbar , "lmap@ietf.org" References: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F657E821EE@dfweml501-mbb> <20160507065545.GA44352@elstar.local> <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F657E82C75@dfweml501-mbb> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F657E82C75@dfweml501-mbb> User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.0 (2016-04-01) Archived-At: Cc: "lmap@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [lmap] Need your help to understand how YANG data model is carried over wire (was Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2016 23:28:29 -0000 On Mon, May 09, 2016 at 11:11:05PM +0000, Linda Dunbar wrote: > Juergen, > > My question was "where the actual "icmp-latency-measurement" is actually defined. Your answer is "look at the Draft-ietf-lmap-yang-04", which doesn't really help me very much. > > Draft-ietf-lmap-yang-04 has the following. Does it mean that the actual "icmp-latency-measurement" is defined by the URI? who provides the actual URI? What if the URI doesn't have any "measurement"? > > > icmp-latency-measurement > > urn:.... > > > Well, this defines the LMAP task with the name 'icmp-latency-measurement'. Now your question is what does 'icmp-latency-measurement' actually do? One answer is that the URN identifies a well-defined metric in a metrics registry. The IPPM working group is defining a metrics registry, see draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-06 and draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-00. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Mon May 16 04:10:47 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3167B12D0E9 for ; Mon, 16 May 2016 04:10:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.345 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.345 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Dbrz8dej5y9h for ; Mon, 16 May 2016 04:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com (co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.13.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EF35B12D0BC for ; Mon, 16 May 2016 04:10:43 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2BGAgCoqTlX/yYyC4ddgmwhKlWBBLdRg?= =?us-ascii?q?g8BDYF2hhECgSE4FAEBAQEBAQFlHAuERgMSG0AeAQwJFVYmAQQbGogNAZ0YhRK?= =?us-ascii?q?bKAwlhiaETIQiAQEdgymCLgWYJwGXc4VDj0EeAQFCg2yHPzYBfgEBAQ?= X-IPAS-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2BGAgCoqTlX/yYyC4ddgmwhKlWBBLdRgg8BDYF2hhECgSE?= =?us-ascii?q?4FAEBAQEBAQFlHAuERgMSG0AeAQwJFVYmAQQbGogNAZ0YhRKbKAwlhiaETIQiA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEdgymCLgWYJwGXc4VDj0EeAQFCg2yHPzYBfgEBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.24,627,1454994000"; d="scan'208,217";a="175273958" Received: from unknown (HELO p-us1-erheast-smtpauth.us1.avaya.com) ([135.11.50.38]) by co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 16 May 2016 07:10:42 -0400 X-OutboundMail_SMTP: 1 Received: from unknown (HELO AZ-FFEXHC02.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.58.12]) by p-us1-erheast-out.us1.avaya.com with ESMTP/TLS/AES256-SHA; 16 May 2016 07:10:43 -0400 Received: from AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com ([fe80::6db7:b0af:8480:c126]) by AZ-FFEXHC02.global.avaya.com ([135.64.58.12]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Mon, 16 May 2016 12:46:28 +0200 From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "lmap@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: time to decide about LMAP virtual interim Thread-Index: AdGvXtSqZlinA5ZwRiqrKSIfopGX6w== Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 10:46:28 +0000 Message-ID: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA751E3E04@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.64.58.48] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA751E3E04AZFFEXMB04globa_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [lmap] time to decide about LMAP virtual interim X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 11:10:46 -0000 --_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA751E3E04AZFFEXMB04globa_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, At IETF 95 we discussed about holding a virtual interim between IETF 95 and= IETF 96. It's time to decide whether such a meeting would be useful and de= cide about the dates, as virtual meetings need to be announced at least two= weeks in advance. There was not much progress since IETF 95. Some discussions on the mail lis= t (mostly on the topics of defining schedule's events and on learning MA ca= pabilities), and no updates of any of the chartered documents. The principal contributors and all WG participants should let us know if th= ere are updates planned in the coming weeks, and if a virtual interim is ne= eded and useful. If the answer is positive we shall use a Doodle poll to qu= ery about preferred dates and times. Thanks and Regards, Dan --_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA751E3E04AZFFEXMB04globa_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

At IETF 95 we discussed about holding a virtual inte= rim between IETF 95 and IETF 96. It’s time to decide whether such a m= eeting would be useful and decide about the dates, as virtual meetings need= to be announced at least two weeks in advance.

 

There was not much progress since IETF 95. Some disc= ussions on the mail list (mostly on the topics of defining schedule’s= events and on learning MA capabilities), and no updates of any of the char= tered documents.

 

The principal contributors and all WG participants s= hould let us know if there are updates planned in the coming weeks, and if = a virtual interim is needed and useful. If the answer is positive we shall = use a Doodle poll to query about preferred dates and times.

 

Thanks and Regards,

 

Dan

 

--_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA751E3E04AZFFEXMB04globa_-- From nobody Mon May 16 12:09:20 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D49F012D963 for ; Mon, 16 May 2016 12:09:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.92 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.92 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HbSWC3xQ3N_v for ; Mon, 16 May 2016 12:09:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-us.alcatel-lucent.com (us-hpswa-esg-02.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.18.30]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1B99212D95D for ; Mon, 16 May 2016 12:09:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from us70uumx4.dmz.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.245.18.16]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id 9121F691A7DDD; Mon, 16 May 2016 19:09:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from us70uusmtp4.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (us70uusmtp4.zam.alcatel-lucent.com [135.5.2.66]) by us70uumx4.dmz.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id u4GJ9FxM013791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 May 2016 19:09:15 GMT Received: from US70TWXCHHUB03.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (us70twxchhub03.zam.alcatel-lucent.com [135.5.2.35]) by us70uusmtp4.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id u4GJ9ExD015448 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 May 2016 19:09:15 GMT Received: from US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([169.254.10.21]) by US70TWXCHHUB03.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.5.2.35]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Mon, 16 May 2016 15:09:14 -0400 From: "Carey, Timothy (Nokia - US)" To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" , "lmap@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [lmap] time to decide about LMAP virtual interim Thread-Index: AQHRr6VKGV5OaNbX002kmLh2EAEumJ+77F2A Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 19:09:14 +0000 Message-ID: <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77012A68D722@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> References: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA751E3E04@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> In-Reply-To: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA751E3E04@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.5.27.16] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77012A68D722US70UWXCHMBA0_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [lmap] time to decide about LMAP virtual interim X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 19:09:19 -0000 --_000_9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77012A68D722US70UWXCHMBA0_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dan, FYI - I still have 2 unresolved issues from IETF 95. I tried the mailing li= st twice but haven't gotten a resolution. 1) Issues around the ma-schedule-obj end and duration parameters - thi= s was on the mailing list 2) Issues around the ma-event-obj and schedules occurrences and reoccu= rrences (was waiting for resolution to issue 1 to see if this is still and= issue). BR, Tim From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com] Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 5:46 AM To: lmap@ietf.org Subject: [lmap] time to decide about LMAP virtual interim Hi, At IETF 95 we discussed about holding a virtual interim between IETF 95 and= IETF 96. It's time to decide whether such a meeting would be useful and de= cide about the dates, as virtual meetings need to be announced at least two= weeks in advance. There was not much progress since IETF 95. Some discussions on the mail lis= t (mostly on the topics of defining schedule's events and on learning MA ca= pabilities), and no updates of any of the chartered documents. The principal contributors and all WG participants should let us know if th= ere are updates planned in the coming weeks, and if a virtual interim is ne= eded and useful. If the answer is positive we shall use a Doodle poll to qu= ery about preferred dates and times. Thanks and Regards, Dan --_000_9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77012A68D722US70UWXCHMBA0_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dan,=

 

FYI – I still ha= ve 2 unresolved issues from IETF 95. I tried the mailing list twice but hav= en’t gotten a resolution.

1)&n= bsp;     Issues around = the ma-schedule-obj end and duration parameters – this was on the mai= ling list

2)&n= bsp;     Issues around = the ma-event-obj and schedules occurrences and reoccurrences  (was wai= ting for resolution to issue 1 to see if this is still and issue).

 

BR,<= /p>

Tim<= /p>

 

From: Romascan= u, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com]
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 5:46 AM
To: lmap@ietf.org
Subject: [lmap] time to decide about LMAP virtual interim=

 

Hi,

 

At IETF 95 we discussed about holding a virtual inte= rim between IETF 95 and IETF 96. It’s time to decide whether such a m= eeting would be useful and decide about the dates, as virtual meetings need= to be announced at least two weeks in advance.

 

There was not much progress since IETF 95. Some disc= ussions on the mail list (mostly on the topics of defining schedule’s= events and on learning MA capabilities), and no updates of any of the char= tered documents.

 

The principal contributors and all WG participants s= hould let us know if there are updates planned in the coming weeks, and if = a virtual interim is needed and useful. If the answer is positive we shall = use a Doodle poll to query about preferred dates and times.

 

Thanks and Regards,

 

Dan

 

--_000_9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77012A68D722US70UWXCHMBA0_-- From nobody Tue May 17 02:10:48 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1231012B056 for ; Tue, 17 May 2016 02:10:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.345 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.345 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n7sodYeSU4bk for ; Tue, 17 May 2016 02:10:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com (co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.13.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FDA012B031 for ; Tue, 17 May 2016 02:10:45 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2BLAgB33zpX/xUHmMZdHAGCTyEqVX4Gt?= =?us-ascii?q?1+CDwENgXaGEQKBMjgUAQEBAQEBAWUnhEIBAQEBAxIbQAEbAgEIDQQEAQELHQc?= =?us-ascii?q?yFAkIAQEEARIIGogNAaZenEgBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEchiaETIQiA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEdNIJ1gi4FkzCEeQGXdIVDj0IeAQFCg2xuhlE2AX4BAQE?= X-IPAS-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2BLAgB33zpX/xUHmMZdHAGCTyEqVX4Gt1+CDwENgXaGEQK?= =?us-ascii?q?BMjgUAQEBAQEBAWUnhEIBAQEBAxIbQAEbAgEIDQQEAQELHQcyFAkIAQEEARIIG?= =?us-ascii?q?ogNAaZenEgBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEchiaETIQiAQEdNIJ1gi4FkzC?= =?us-ascii?q?EeQGXdIVDj0IeAQFCg2xuhlE2AX4BAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.26,324,1459828800"; d="scan'208,217";a="175453969" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest-exch.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.21]) by co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 17 May 2016 05:10:44 -0400 X-OutboundMail_SMTP: 1 Received: from unknown (HELO AZ-FFEXHC02.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.58.12]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP/TLS/AES256-SHA; 17 May 2016 05:09:45 -0400 Received: from AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com ([fe80::6db7:b0af:8480:c126]) by AZ-FFEXHC02.global.avaya.com ([135.64.58.12]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Tue, 17 May 2016 10:56:20 +0200 From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Carey, Timothy (Nokia - US)" , "lmap@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [lmap] time to decide about LMAP virtual interim Thread-Index: AdGvXtSqZlinA5ZwRiqrKSIfopGX6wANtdEAACDms0A= Date: Tue, 17 May 2016 08:56:20 +0000 Message-ID: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA751E4832@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> References: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA751E3E04@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77012A68D722@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> In-Reply-To: <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77012A68D722@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.64.58.47] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA751E4832AZFFEXMB04globa_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [lmap] time to decide about LMAP virtual interim X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 May 2016 09:10:47 -0000 --_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA751E4832AZFFEXMB04globa_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tim, Thank you for the note. Do you believe that a virtual interim can help? In any case - I suggest that you send again reminders to the mail list abou= t issue #1 - question, options, etc. Other opinions about holding (or not) an interim meeting? Regards, Dan From: Carey, Timothy (Nokia - US) [mailto:timothy.carey@nokia.com] Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 10:09 PM To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); lmap@ietf.org Subject: RE: [lmap] time to decide about LMAP virtual interim Dan, FYI - I still have 2 unresolved issues from IETF 95. I tried the mailing li= st twice but haven't gotten a resolution. 1) Issues around the ma-schedule-obj end and duration parameters - thi= s was on the mailing list 2) Issues around the ma-event-obj and schedules occurrences and reoccu= rrences (was waiting for resolution to issue 1 to see if this is still and= issue). BR, Tim From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com] Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 5:46 AM To: lmap@ietf.org Subject: [lmap] time to decide about LMAP virtual interim Hi, At IETF 95 we discussed about holding a virtual interim between IETF 95 and= IETF 96. It's time to decide whether such a meeting would be useful and de= cide about the dates, as virtual meetings need to be announced at least two= weeks in advance. There was not much progress since IETF 95. Some discussions on the mail lis= t (mostly on the topics of defining schedule's events and on learning MA ca= pabilities), and no updates of any of the chartered documents. The principal contributors and all WG participants should let us know if th= ere are updates planned in the coming weeks, and if a virtual interim is ne= eded and useful. If the answer is positive we shall use a Doodle poll to qu= ery about preferred dates and times. Thanks and Regards, Dan --_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA751E4832AZFFEXMB04globa_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Tim,

 

Thank you for the note= .

 

Do you believe that a = virtual interim can help?

 

In any case – I = suggest that you send again reminders to the mail list about issue #1 ̵= 1; question, options, etc.

 

Other opinions about h= olding (or not) an interim meeting?

 

Regards,

Dan<= /p>

 

 

From: Carey, T= imothy (Nokia - US) [mailto:timothy.carey@nokia.com]
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 10:09 PM
To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); lmap@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [lmap] time to decide about LMAP virtual interim

 

Dan,=

 

FYI – I still ha= ve 2 unresolved issues from IETF 95. I tried the mailing list twice but hav= en’t gotten a resolution.

1)&= nbsp;     Issues around the ma-schedule-obj end and duration parameters &#= 8211; this was on the mailing list

2)&= nbsp;     Issues around the ma-event-obj and schedules occurrences and reo= ccurrences  (was waiting for resolution to issue 1 to see if this is s= till and issue).

 

BR,<= /p>

Tim<= /p>

 

From: Romascan= u, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.c= om]
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 5:46 AM
To: lmap@ietf.org
Subject: [lmap] time to decide about LMAP virtual interim=

 

Hi,

 

At IETF 95 we discussed about holding a virtual inte= rim between IETF 95 and IETF 96. It’s time to decide whether such a m= eeting would be useful and decide about the dates, as virtual meetings need= to be announced at least two weeks in advance.

 

There was not much progress since IETF 95. Some disc= ussions on the mail list (mostly on the topics of defining schedule’s= events and on learning MA capabilities), and no updates of any of the char= tered documents.

 

The principal contributors and all WG participants s= hould let us know if there are updates planned in the coming weeks, and if = a virtual interim is needed and useful. If the answer is positive we shall = use a Doodle poll to query about preferred dates and times.

 

Thanks and Regards,

 

Dan

 

--_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA751E4832AZFFEXMB04globa_-- From nobody Tue May 17 03:48:37 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E01E12D773 for ; Tue, 17 May 2016 03:48:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.92 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.92 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id snl_6urpCusu for ; Tue, 17 May 2016 03:48:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-us.alcatel-lucent.com (us-hpswa-esg-02.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.18.30]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C41412D786 for ; Tue, 17 May 2016 03:48:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from us70uumx4.dmz.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.245.18.16]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id BEA237ACFBBBF; Tue, 17 May 2016 10:48:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from us70uusmtp4.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (us70uusmtp4.zam.alcatel-lucent.com [135.5.2.66]) by us70uumx4.dmz.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id u4HAmK8q010555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 May 2016 10:48:21 GMT Received: from US70TWXCHHUB04.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (us70twxchhub04.zam.alcatel-lucent.com [135.5.2.36]) by us70uusmtp4.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id u4HAmKpT025868 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 May 2016 10:48:20 GMT Received: from US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([169.254.10.21]) by US70TWXCHHUB04.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.5.2.36]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Tue, 17 May 2016 06:48:20 -0400 From: "Carey, Timothy (Nokia - US)" To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" , "lmap@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [lmap] time to decide about LMAP virtual interim Thread-Index: AQHRr6VKGV5OaNbX002kmLh2EAEumJ+77F2AgAErXAD//9uz0A== Date: Tue, 17 May 2016 10:48:19 +0000 Message-ID: <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77012A6902C8@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> References: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA751E3E04@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77012A68D722@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA751E4832@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> In-Reply-To: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA751E4832@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.5.27.16] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77012A6902C8US70UWXCHMBA0_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [lmap] time to decide about LMAP virtual interim X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 May 2016 10:48:34 -0000 --_000_9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77012A6902C8US70UWXCHMBA0_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dan, Yes as we didn't have time at the last face to face to resolve the issues a= nd we probably need to have a more efficient exchange than the mailing list= on these issues. BR, Tim From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 3:56 AM To: Carey, Timothy (Nokia - US); lmap@ietf.org Subject: RE: [lmap] time to decide about LMAP virtual interim Hi Tim, Thank you for the note. Do you believe that a virtual interim can help? In any case - I suggest that you send again reminders to the mail list abou= t issue #1 - question, options, etc. Other opinions about holding (or not) an interim meeting? Regards, Dan From: Carey, Timothy (Nokia - US) [mailto:timothy.carey@nokia.com] Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 10:09 PM To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); lmap@ietf.org Subject: RE: [lmap] time to decide about LMAP virtual interim Dan, FYI - I still have 2 unresolved issues from IETF 95. I tried the mailing li= st twice but haven't gotten a resolution. 1) Issues around the ma-schedule-obj end and duration parameters - thi= s was on the mailing list 2) Issues around the ma-event-obj and schedules occurrences and reoccu= rrences (was waiting for resolution to issue 1 to see if this is still and= issue). BR, Tim From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com] Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 5:46 AM To: lmap@ietf.org Subject: [lmap] time to decide about LMAP virtual interim Hi, At IETF 95 we discussed about holding a virtual interim between IETF 95 and= IETF 96. It's time to decide whether such a meeting would be useful and de= cide about the dates, as virtual meetings need to be announced at least two= weeks in advance. There was not much progress since IETF 95. Some discussions on the mail lis= t (mostly on the topics of defining schedule's events and on learning MA ca= pabilities), and no updates of any of the chartered documents. The principal contributors and all WG participants should let us know if th= ere are updates planned in the coming weeks, and if a virtual interim is ne= eded and useful. If the answer is positive we shall use a Doodle poll to qu= ery about preferred dates and times. Thanks and Regards, Dan --_000_9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77012A6902C8US70UWXCHMBA0_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dan,=

 

Yes as we didn’t= have time at the last face to face to resolve the issues and we probably n= eed to have a more efficient exchange than the mailing list on these issues= .

 

BR,<= /p>

Tim<= /p>

 

From: Romascan= u, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 3:56 AM
To: Carey, Timothy (Nokia - US); lmap@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [lmap] time to decide about LMAP virtual interim

 

Hi Tim,

 

Thank you for the note= .

 

Do you believe that a = virtual interim can help?

 

In any case – I = suggest that you send again reminders to the mail list about issue #1 ̵= 1; question, options, etc.

 

Other opinions about h= olding (or not) an interim meeting?

 

Regards,

Dan<= /p>

 

 

From: Carey, T= imothy (Nokia - US) [mailto:timo= thy.carey@nokia.com]
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 10:09 PM
To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); lmap@ietf= .org
Subject: RE: [lmap] time to decide about LMAP virtual interim

 

Dan,=

 

FYI – I still ha= ve 2 unresolved issues from IETF 95. I tried the mailing list twice but hav= en’t gotten a resolution.

1)&n= bsp;     Issues around = the ma-schedule-obj end and duration parameters – this was on the mai= ling list

2)&n= bsp;     Issues around = the ma-event-obj and schedules occurrences and reoccurrences  (was wai= ting for resolution to issue 1 to see if this is still and issue).

 

BR,<= /p>

Tim<= /p>

 

From: Romascan= u, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.c= om]
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 5:46 AM
To: lmap@ietf.org
Subject: [lmap] time to decide about LMAP virtual interim=

 

Hi,

 

At IETF 95 we discussed about holding a virtual inte= rim between IETF 95 and IETF 96. It’s time to decide whether such a m= eeting would be useful and decide about the dates, as virtual meetings need= to be announced at least two weeks in advance.

 

There was not much progress since IETF 95. Some disc= ussions on the mail list (mostly on the topics of defining schedule’s= events and on learning MA capabilities), and no updates of any of the char= tered documents.

 

The principal contributors and all WG participants s= hould let us know if there are updates planned in the coming weeks, and if = a virtual interim is needed and useful. If the answer is positive we shall = use a Doodle poll to query about preferred dates and times.

 

Thanks and Regards,

 

Dan

 

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hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AE162004E; Wed, 18 May 2016 16:35:28 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius1.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9GnfCzMMUYrY; Wed, 18 May 2016 16:35:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAA0720047; Wed, 18 May 2016 16:35:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 82C013AD8BB8; Wed, 18 May 2016 16:35:26 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 16:35:26 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" Message-ID: <20160518143526.GB336@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" , "lmap@ietf.org" References: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA751E3E04@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA751E3E04@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.0 (2016-04-01) Archived-At: Cc: "lmap@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [lmap] time to decide about LMAP virtual interim X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 14:35:37 -0000 I plan to pick up LMAP work next week (since I am traveling a lot and this usually means I can focus on things). /js On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 10:46:28AM +0000, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: > Hi, > > At IETF 95 we discussed about holding a virtual interim between IETF 95 and IETF 96. It's time to decide whether such a meeting would be useful and decide about the dates, as virtual meetings need to be announced at least two weeks in advance. > > There was not much progress since IETF 95. Some discussions on the mail list (mostly on the topics of defining schedule's events and on learning MA capabilities), and no updates of any of the chartered documents. > > The principal contributors and all WG participants should let us know if there are updates planned in the coming weeks, and if a virtual interim is needed and useful. If the answer is positive we shall use a Doodle poll to query about preferred dates and times. > > Thanks and Regards, > > Dan > > _______________________________________________ > lmap mailing list > lmap@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lmap -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Wed May 18 07:41:53 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86D8712D530 for ; Wed, 18 May 2016 07:41:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.626 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.626 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lkhJU1ASvCXz for ; Wed, 18 May 2016 07:41:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de (atlas3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F85E12D558 for ; Wed, 18 May 2016 07:41:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E8AD104B; Wed, 18 May 2016 16:41:44 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de ([10.70.0.220]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10030) with ESMTP id TNtC_vgrEkYp; Wed, 18 May 2016 16:41:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hermes.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "Jacobs University CA - G01" (verified OK)) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Wed, 18 May 2016 16:41:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (demetrius2.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.47]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C28502004E; Wed, 18 May 2016 16:41:41 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius2.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W3BBuDWVUpv4; Wed, 18 May 2016 16:41:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0B5D20047; Wed, 18 May 2016 16:41:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 950813AD8C27; Wed, 18 May 2016 16:41:37 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 16:41:37 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: "Carey, Timothy (Nokia - US)" Message-ID: <20160518144137.GC336@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: "Carey, Timothy (Nokia - US)" , "lmap@ietf.org" References: <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77012A627E42@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77012A631C28@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D4587DEFEC7@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77012A6513FF@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77012A6905D4@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <9966516C6EB5FC4381E05BF80AA55F77012A6905D4@US70UWXCHMBA05.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.0 (2016-04-01) Archived-At: Cc: "lmap@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [lmap] LMAP: Defining the Schedule's events X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 14:41:52 -0000 I tend to believe these are useful. It seems I am generally more concerned about controlling resource usage than others. Being able to enforce an upper limit on the execution of a schedule helps to garbage collect (measurement) tasks that happen to behave unexpected. /js On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 01:31:33PM +0000, Carey, Timothy (Nokia - US) wrote: > Team, > > This might have been lost in the email threads so I am reviving the discussion. > We really need to come to some conclusion as to if we need these extra attributes for schedule end and duration – I do not believe we do. > If anything we might need attributes on the action… > > BR, > Tim > > From: Carey, Timothy (Nokia - US) > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 7:01 AM > To: 'EXT MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)'; Ron Stana > Cc: lmap@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [lmap] LMAP: Defining the Schedule's events > > Al, > Inline > > From: EXT MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) [mailto:acmorton@att.com] > Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 5:19 PM > To: Ron Stana; Carey, Timothy (Nokia - US) > Cc: lmap@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [lmap] LMAP: Defining the Schedule's events > > Hi Ron and Tim, > > trying to make a few minutes for this... > > The Registry Entries* for the Metrics include Run-time Parameters > for the Start time and End Time, but one of them could be interpreted > as a Duration if specified correctly (the Start time must be all zeros, > then the Stop time is interpreted as a duration, AND the actual start > and stop time are controlled through “other means”). See > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-00#section-4.3.5 > > “Other means” would be the Schedule object and the Event object. > As I understand it both schedule and event objects have start time > and stop time specifications available, and Event has Duration specification > available which would be useful for recurring events (periodic or calendar). > > The schedule’s timer is sufficient to state when the initial action(s) are invoked. I say actions because the execution mode for the schedule’s action’s could be parallel. In the case when the schedule’s execution mode is sequential then it would be sufficient to state when the first action is invoked. > What the schedule’s timer doesn’t do is specify the duration of the individual action(s) or when the second action is executed in relation to the completion of the first action. What we would need to do is either: Pass the duration of action based on the options (T0 = zero, Tf=some duration) or we could put a timer on the action – which would provide the external control that would allow the start to be better controlled in the context of the overall schedule. > > Eventually, the MA has to report the results of the metric/measurement. > That’s when the actual (RED) start and end times when packets were actually > flowing between measurement points are reported, according to the Registry Entry. > See: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-00#section-4.4.2 > > These seem to be the actual – not configured start and end times > Interesting I think there might be a problem in the draft with Tf as it would be “end” of the interval not the “start” of the interval? > T0 the start of a measurement interval, (format "date-and-time" as > specified in Section 5.6 of [RFC3339], see also Section 3 of > [RFC6991]). The UTC Time Zone is required by Section 6.1 of > [RFC2330]. > > Tf the start of a measurement interval, (format "date-and-time" as > specified in Section 5.6 of [RFC3339], see also Section 3 of > [RFC6991]). The UTC Time Zone is required by Section 6.1 of > [RFC2330]. > > > As I said at the meeting, it would be good to look at some examples > > which attempt to schedule the “Act_IP_UDP_Round-trip_Delay_Poisson_95th-percentile” > > registry entry, as a Periodic event, a one-time event, and a continuous > > event as Ron is suggesting. > > > > regards, > > Al > > * Note that the Registry Entry for a Metric includes the Metric Definition, > the method of measurement, and Run-time parameters. > > > From: Ron Stana [mailto:ron.stana@viavisolutions.com] > Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 9:40 AM > To: Carey, Timothy (Nokia - US) > Cc: lmap@ietf.org; MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) > Subject: Re: [lmap] LMAP: Defining the Schedule's events > > Tim, > > The exact definition of the metric is still unclear to me since I have not seen an example of a test with average complexity using metrics with LMAP from beginning to end. By average complexity I mean a test that allows independent configuration of multiple simultaneous data flows and produces multiple report formats during the test duration. The tests I mentioned previously (RFC-2544, Y.1564, Y.1731 and TWAMP) minimally require this type of support and are the main tests used in Ethernet service testing today. None-the-less, my understanding of the metric is that it defines the format of the packet stream and the methodology of the transmit frequency. These are two examples from https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-00 > > > Act_IP_UDP_Poisson_UDP-Payload-250_One-way_Delay_Std_Dev > > Act_IP_UDP_Periodic-var_UDP-Payload-142_One-way_Delay_Mean > > > > It does not appear to define the time period over which the measurement was taken. This is good because for most tests the measurement period is a user defined input parameter. Performance monitoring tests will report the metric repeatedly during the test execution. Referring to the example in my prior email, a TWAMP test would produce a group of metrics for each data stream every 1, 5 or 15 minutes depending on the test configuration. It is possible the test could be configured to produce multiple reports - for example at a short interval for troubleshooting in addition to one of the intervals previously mentioned for general service monitoring. Thus, the TWAMP test produces instances of metrics for an unspecified amount of time - typically until a user manually stops the test. > > > > In summary, from my perspective, the duration of the test is outside the scope of the metric definition....but maybe I just don't understand the metric definition well enough. > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 9:19 PM, Carey, Timothy (Nokia - US) > wrote: > Ron, > > Thanks for looking at this. > When I discussed this with Al indicated that these would be part of the metric/action definition. > > But if we would want to define a non-metric specific duration attribute of an individual action within the context of the overall schedule (I believe this is what you are requesting?) then we should assign that duration that results in (T4) to the action. Actually you have the same problem with T2 – within the context action – this offset if necessary is different from the schedule start randomness (once the process starts how long to wait before the bits hit the wire). Maybe that is what we are missing – A timer for an action within the context of the schedule… > > Comments? > > From: EXT Ron Stana [mailto:ron.stana@viavisolutions.com] > Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2016 6:35 PM > To: Carey, Timothy (Nokia - US) > Cc: lmap@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [lmap] LMAP: Defining the Schedule's events > > Tim, > > It appears you are making an assumption that each action will end on its own (T4). While that is true for turn-up tests like RFC-2544 and Y.1564, long term performance monitoring tests like TWAMP and Y.1731 are expected to produce results 24/7 and so do not have a defined end time. They are configured with a rate to send packets, the MA measures FD, FDV and FLR and then the MA periodically aggregates these stats and sends them to the collector. The aggregation rate is typically 1, 5 or 15 minutes so reports contain rolling start/end times as the test executes. > > While what I describe above is the typical use case, there are other scenarios where these same tests can be configured to emulate short random bursts. In this scenario the tests need to be configured with an initial start time, an interval to restart the test, a random start offset and a duration. For example, start at 1:00 today, restart every 5 minutes thereafter, each run should be offset by a random value within 4 minutes and each run should send the data flows for 1 minute. I think the only part of this LMAP did not define was the last parameter - the test duration. While each test could offer test-specific parameters to define its duration, I thought the proposal to add the 'end' object was to provide a common approach for this. > > Ron > > On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 8:52 AM, Carey, Timothy (Nokia - US) > wrote: > Team, > > In the IETF#95 LMAP session we had a discussion on the need for the new parameters for the ma-schedule-end and ma-schedule-duration parameters, given that the ma-schedule-start (which is typed as an event) > > We said we would show that these parameters were not needed using an example – so here goes. > > Lets assume we have a schedule made up of 2 actions (A1, A2) in pipeline mode. The ma-schedule-start would has a periodic event: > > Start April 1, 2016 at 02:00:00 > > End May 1, 2016 at 02:00:00 > > Interval 86,400 (daily) > > Randomness 3600 (within the hour) > > So the schedule will reoccur every day starting on April 1 beginning at 2:00pm. (T0) The starting period will be random between 2:00am and 3:00am. (T1) This definition is sufficient for invoking A1 (T1) and is what Al considers as Blue times. > > As A1 performs a test A1 places bits on the wire (T2) and collects results (T3). > When A1 completes (T4), A2 is invoked (T5) which places bits on a wire for A2 (T2) and collects results (T3)). Finally the results from the schedule are reported (T6). > > T2&T3: Al considers this time to be part of the definition of the metric and are reported as part of the result content (not as an actual parameter). This was his Red time > > T4&T5: Are the ma-report-[start|end]-time > T6: Is the ma-report-date > > As such – As long as an Event has a defined occurrence (T1=T0 + randomness) all that is necessary is a single parameter to define the occurrence. > > Questions? > > BR, > Tim > > _______________________________________________ > lmap mailing list > lmap@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lmap > > > _______________________________________________ > lmap mailing list > lmap@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lmap -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Wed May 18 07:42:10 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAC7712D565 for ; Wed, 18 May 2016 07:42:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.346 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.346 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3VQmH4UVNenN for ; Wed, 18 May 2016 07:42:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com (co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.13.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6078912D540 for ; Wed, 18 May 2016 07:42:07 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2B4AQACfjxX/yYyC4dbAxkBAQEBgnB/g?= =?us-ascii?q?QS5bg2BdYYRAoE2OBQBAQEBAQEBZSeEQgEBAgMSKDMBCwUHAgICAQgNAQIBBAE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQoUCQcbFxQJCAIEDg0aiA0BDaZ0nE4FBYYhhEyEIgEBHR8mgmSCLgWYKwGXd?= =?us-ascii?q?oVDj0keAkKDbYc/NgF+AQEB?= X-IPAS-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2B4AQACfjxX/yYyC4dbAxkBAQEBgnB/gQS5bg2BdYYRAoE?= =?us-ascii?q?2OBQBAQEBAQEBZSeEQgEBAgMSKDMBCwUHAgICAQgNAQIBBAEBAQoUCQcbFxQJC?= =?us-ascii?q?AIEDg0aiA0BDaZ0nE4FBYYhhEyEIgEBHR8mgmSCLgWYKwGXdoVDj0keAkKDbYc?= =?us-ascii?q?/NgF+AQEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.26,329,1459828800"; d="scan'208";a="175692977" Received: from unknown (HELO p-us1-erheast-smtpauth.us1.avaya.com) ([135.11.50.38]) by co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 18 May 2016 10:36:53 -0400 X-OutboundMail_SMTP: 1 Received: from unknown (HELO AZ-FFEXHC04.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.58.14]) by p-us1-erheast-out.us1.avaya.com with ESMTP/TLS/AES256-SHA; 18 May 2016 10:36:50 -0400 Received: from AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com ([fe80::6db7:b0af:8480:c126]) by AZ-FFEXHC04.global.avaya.com ([135.64.58.14]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Wed, 18 May 2016 16:36:49 +0200 From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: Juergen Schoenwaelder Thread-Topic: [lmap] time to decide about LMAP virtual interim Thread-Index: AQHRsRKJgwF7//eR7Eax4kI4QYJS9J++wwrg Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 14:36:48 +0000 Message-ID: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA751E71FD@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> References: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA751E3E04@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> <20160518143526.GB336@elstar.local> In-Reply-To: <20160518143526.GB336@elstar.local> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.64.58.48] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "lmap@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [lmap] time to decide about LMAP virtual interim X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 14:42:10 -0000 Any thoughts about how useful a LMAP virtual interim can be. Any restrictio= ns for attending June (like scheduled travel)?=20 Thanks and Regards, Dan -----Original Message----- From: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de]=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 5:35 PM To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) Cc: lmap@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lmap] time to decide about LMAP virtual interim I plan to pick up LMAP work next week (since I am traveling a lot and this = usually means I can focus on things). /js On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 10:46:28AM +0000, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: > Hi, >=20 > At IETF 95 we discussed about holding a virtual interim between IETF 95 a= nd IETF 96. It's time to decide whether such a meeting would be useful and = decide about the dates, as virtual meetings need to be announced at least t= wo weeks in advance. >=20 > There was not much progress since IETF 95. Some discussions on the mail l= ist (mostly on the topics of defining schedule's events and on learning MA = capabilities), and no updates of any of the chartered documents. >=20 > The principal contributors and all WG participants should let us know if = there are updates planned in the coming weeks, and if a virtual interim is = needed and useful. If the answer is positive we shall use a Doodle poll to = query about preferred dates and times. >=20 > Thanks and Regards, >=20 > Dan >=20 > _______________________________________________ > lmap mailing list > lmap@ietf.org > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org_mail > man_listinfo_lmap&d=3DCwIBAg&c=3DBFpWQw8bsuKpl1SgiZH64Q&r=3DI4dzGxR31OcNX= CJf > QzvlsiLQfucBXRucPvdrphpBsFA&m=3DOndYxxD1UZpRbkEqRGRMtl2fcFL7DRpC89JLnr_3 > lR8&s=3DsGauBegBjnHzl3qJkpqUGHRJbkOE-LuvK7hGkfhdur8&e=3D --=20 Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Wed May 18 07:44:36 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 770A012D57A for ; Wed, 18 May 2016 07:44:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.626 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.626 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T_B_6AUhEqvY for ; Wed, 18 May 2016 07:44:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de (atlas3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4230712D57D for ; Wed, 18 May 2016 07:44:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08700116C; Wed, 18 May 2016 16:44:27 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de ([10.70.0.220]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10030) with ESMTP id TGVAT0QsddBI; Wed, 18 May 2016 16:44:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hermes.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "Jacobs University CA - G01" (verified OK)) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Wed, 18 May 2016 16:44:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.49]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12B522004E; Wed, 18 May 2016 16:44:26 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q8C6QHY9I7Jg; Wed, 18 May 2016 16:44:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B21520047; Wed, 18 May 2016 16:44:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 599E13AD8CA3; Wed, 18 May 2016 16:44:23 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 16:44:23 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" Message-ID: <20160518144423.GD336@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" , "lmap@ietf.org" References: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA751E3E04@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> <20160518143526.GB336@elstar.local> <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA751E71FD@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA751E71FD@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.0 (2016-04-01) Archived-At: Cc: "lmap@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [lmap] time to decide about LMAP virtual interim X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 14:44:34 -0000 I would say allocate a meeting and if not needed cancel it or make it short. I am traveling the week June 20-24, the two weeks before should both work. /js On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 02:36:48PM +0000, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: > Any thoughts about how useful a LMAP virtual interim can be. Any restrictions for attending June (like scheduled travel)? > > Thanks and Regards, > > Dan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de] > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 5:35 PM > To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > Cc: lmap@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [lmap] time to decide about LMAP virtual interim > > I plan to pick up LMAP work next week (since I am traveling a lot and this usually means I can focus on things). > > /js > > On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 10:46:28AM +0000, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: > > Hi, > > > > At IETF 95 we discussed about holding a virtual interim between IETF 95 and IETF 96. It's time to decide whether such a meeting would be useful and decide about the dates, as virtual meetings need to be announced at least two weeks in advance. > > > > There was not much progress since IETF 95. Some discussions on the mail list (mostly on the topics of defining schedule's events and on learning MA capabilities), and no updates of any of the chartered documents. > > > > The principal contributors and all WG participants should let us know if there are updates planned in the coming weeks, and if a virtual interim is needed and useful. If the answer is positive we shall use a Doodle poll to query about preferred dates and times. > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > Dan > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > lmap mailing list > > lmap@ietf.org > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ietf.org_mail > > man_listinfo_lmap&d=CwIBAg&c=BFpWQw8bsuKpl1SgiZH64Q&r=I4dzGxR31OcNXCJf > > QzvlsiLQfucBXRucPvdrphpBsFA&m=OndYxxD1UZpRbkEqRGRMtl2fcFL7DRpC89JLnr_3 > > lR8&s=sGauBegBjnHzl3qJkpqUGHRJbkOE-LuvK7hGkfhdur8&e= > > > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 > > _______________________________________________ > lmap mailing list > lmap@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lmap -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Wed May 18 07:51:02 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9185112D165 for ; Wed, 18 May 2016 07:51:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.346 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.346 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KXLaqzf6z__Z for ; Wed, 18 May 2016 07:51:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com (co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.13.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BB72512D527 for ; Wed, 18 May 2016 07:50:58 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2BLAQA9gDxX/xUHmMZbAxkBAQEBgnAqV?= =?us-ascii?q?X4Gt16CDwENgXUfhXICgTg4FAEBAQEBAQFlJ4RCAQEBAQMSKDMBCwwCAgIBCA0?= =?us-ascii?q?BAgEEAQEBChQJBxsXFAkIAgQOBQgaiA0BDaZ0nCMBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQEXBQWGIYRMhCIBAR0fJoJkgi4FmCsBhX+Rd4VDj0keAQFCg21uAQGGTzY?= =?us-ascii?q?BfgEBAQ?= X-IPAS-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2BLAQA9gDxX/xUHmMZbAxkBAQEBgnAqVX4Gt16CDwENgXU?= =?us-ascii?q?fhXICgTg4FAEBAQEBAQFlJ4RCAQEBAQMSKDMBCwwCAgIBCA0BAgEEAQEBChQJB?= =?us-ascii?q?xsXFAkIAgQOBQgaiA0BDaZ0nCMBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEXBQWGIYR?= =?us-ascii?q?MhCIBAR0fJoJkgi4FmCsBhX+Rd4VDj0keAQFCg21uAQGGTzYBfgEBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.26,329,1459828800"; d="scan'208";a="175696369" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest-exch.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.21]) by co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 18 May 2016 10:50:57 -0400 X-OutboundMail_SMTP: 1 Received: from unknown (HELO AZ-FFEXHC04.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.58.14]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP/TLS/AES256-SHA; 18 May 2016 10:50:57 -0400 Received: from AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com ([fe80::6db7:b0af:8480:c126]) by AZ-FFEXHC04.global.avaya.com ([135.64.58.14]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Wed, 18 May 2016 16:50:55 +0200 From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: Juergen Schoenwaelder Thread-Topic: [lmap] time to decide about LMAP virtual interim Thread-Index: AQHRsRKJgwF7//eR7Eax4kI4QYJS9J++wwrg///g0oCAACLicA== Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 14:50:55 +0000 Message-ID: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA751E7244@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> References: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA751E3E04@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> <20160518143526.GB336@elstar.local> <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA751E71FD@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> <20160518144423.GD336@elstar.local> In-Reply-To: <20160518144423.GD336@elstar.local> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.64.58.48] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "lmap@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [lmap] time to decide about LMAP virtual interim X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 14:51:01 -0000 Then probably it would be the week before (June 13-17) or the week after (J= une 27 - July 1st). It's probably too late to decide and set a meeting for = the week of June 6.=20 Regards, Dan -----Original Message----- From: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de]=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 5:44 PM To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) Cc: lmap@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lmap] time to decide about LMAP virtual interim I would say allocate a meeting and if not needed cancel it or make it short= . I am traveling the week June 20-24, the two weeks before should both work= . /js On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 02:36:48PM +0000, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: > Any thoughts about how useful a LMAP virtual interim can be. Any restrict= ions for attending June (like scheduled travel)?=20 >=20 > Thanks and Regards, >=20 > Dan >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Juergen Schoenwaelder=20 > [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de] > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 5:35 PM > To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > Cc: lmap@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [lmap] time to decide about LMAP virtual interim >=20 > I plan to pick up LMAP work next week (since I am traveling a lot and thi= s usually means I can focus on things). >=20 > /js >=20 > On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 10:46:28AM +0000, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: > > Hi, > >=20 > > At IETF 95 we discussed about holding a virtual interim between IETF 95= and IETF 96. It's time to decide whether such a meeting would be useful an= d decide about the dates, as virtual meetings need to be announced at least= two weeks in advance. > >=20 > > There was not much progress since IETF 95. Some discussions on the mail= list (mostly on the topics of defining schedule's events and on learning M= A capabilities), and no updates of any of the chartered documents. > >=20 > > The principal contributors and all WG participants should let us know i= f there are updates planned in the coming weeks, and if a virtual interim i= s needed and useful. If the answer is positive we shall use a Doodle poll t= o query about preferred dates and times. > >=20 > > Thanks and Regards, > >=20 > > Dan > >=20 >=20 > > _______________________________________________ > > lmap mailing list > > lmap@ietf.org > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org_ma > > il=20 > > man_listinfo_lmap&d=3DCwIBAg&c=3DBFpWQw8bsuKpl1SgiZH64Q&r=3DI4dzGxR31Oc= NXC > > Jf > > QzvlsiLQfucBXRucPvdrphpBsFA&m=3DOndYxxD1UZpRbkEqRGRMtl2fcFL7DRpC89JLnr > > _3 lR8&s=3DsGauBegBjnHzl3qJkpqUGHRJbkOE-LuvK7hGkfhdur8&e=3D >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > lmap mailing list > lmap@ietf.org > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org_mail > man_listinfo_lmap&d=3DCwIBAg&c=3DBFpWQw8bsuKpl1SgiZH64Q&r=3DI4dzGxR31OcNX= CJf > QzvlsiLQfucBXRucPvdrphpBsFA&m=3D2T-lL5U6SFIT66kWSVO8UpvGL6j63J8UqwxErres > nNg&s=3DDOR2WKauGijpc-f-Cg-zQM6DklOrdm7-c31hg8B4mgY&e=3D --=20 Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Wed May 18 08:13:10 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA27C12D598 for ; Wed, 18 May 2016 08:13:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.627 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.627 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CZdAeO0x-uGW for ; Wed, 18 May 2016 08:12:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pink.research.att.com (mail-pink.research.att.com [204.178.8.22]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EB3912D5A6 for ; Wed, 18 May 2016 08:12:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-azure.research.att.com (unknown [135.207.255.18]) by mail-pink.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB2D11210AD; Wed, 18 May 2016 11:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exchange.research.att.com (njfpsrvexg0.research.att.com [135.207.255.124]) by mail-azure.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 955CFE03D8; Wed, 18 May 2016 11:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com ([fe80::108a:1006:9f54:fd90]) by NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com ([fe80::108a:1006:9f54:fd90%25]) with mapi; Wed, 18 May 2016 11:12:55 -0400 From: "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" , Juergen Schoenwaelder Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 11:07:59 -0400 Thread-Topic: [lmap] time to decide about LMAP virtual interim Thread-Index: AQHRsRKJgwF7//eR7Eax4kI4QYJS9J++wwrggAAI8t8= Message-ID: <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D458D49153A@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> References: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA751E3E04@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> <20160518143526.GB336@elstar.local>, <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA751E71FD@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> In-Reply-To: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA751E71FD@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "lmap@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [lmap] time to decide about LMAP virtual interim X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 15:13:05 -0000 I agree that the intermission are useful, as they give us an intermediate point to develop solutions and work examples. I'm traveling in Europe most of June, but can probably make a meeting=20 after 1800 most days during the first two full weeks. Al ________________________________________ From: lmap [lmap-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [droma= sca@avaya.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 10:36 AM To: Juergen Schoenwaelder Cc: lmap@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lmap] time to decide about LMAP virtual interim Any thoughts about how useful a LMAP virtual interim can be. Any restrictio= ns for attending June (like scheduled travel)? Thanks and Regards, Dan -----Original Message----- From: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de] Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 5:35 PM To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) Cc: lmap@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lmap] time to decide about LMAP virtual interim I plan to pick up LMAP work next week (since I am traveling a lot and this = usually means I can focus on things). /js On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 10:46:28AM +0000, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: > Hi, > > At IETF 95 we discussed about holding a virtual interim between IETF 95 a= nd IETF 96. It's time to decide whether such a meeting would be useful and = decide about the dates, as virtual meetings need to be announced at least t= wo weeks in advance. > > There was not much progress since IETF 95. Some discussions on the mail l= ist (mostly on the topics of defining schedule's events and on learning MA = capabilities), and no updates of any of the chartered documents. > > The principal contributors and all WG participants should let us know if = there are updates planned in the coming weeks, and if a virtual interim is = needed and useful. If the answer is positive we shall use a Doodle poll to = query about preferred dates and times. > > Thanks and Regards, > > Dan > > _______________________________________________ > lmap mailing list > lmap@ietf.org > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org_mail > man_listinfo_lmap&d=3DCwIBAg&c=3DBFpWQw8bsuKpl1SgiZH64Q&r=3DI4dzGxR31OcNX= CJf > QzvlsiLQfucBXRucPvdrphpBsFA&m=3DOndYxxD1UZpRbkEqRGRMtl2fcFL7DRpC89JLnr_3 > lR8&s=3DsGauBegBjnHzl3qJkpqUGHRJbkOE-LuvK7hGkfhdur8&e=3D -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 _______________________________________________ lmap mailing list lmap@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lmap From nobody Wed May 18 08:17:23 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DC0F12D59F for ; Wed, 18 May 2016 08:17:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.627 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.627 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5L1aSCfXhlEg for ; Wed, 18 May 2016 08:17:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pink.research.att.com (mail-pink.research.att.com [204.178.8.22]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8424112D17D for ; Wed, 18 May 2016 08:17:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-green.research.att.com (H-135-207-255-15.research.att.com [135.207.255.15]) by mail-pink.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B1E6120F5E; Wed, 18 May 2016 11:25:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exchange.research.att.com (njfpsrvexg0.research.att.com [135.207.255.124]) by mail-green.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72AE9E0342; Wed, 18 May 2016 11:16:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com ([fe80::108a:1006:9f54:fd90]) by NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com ([fe80::108a:1006:9f54:fd90%25]) with mapi; Wed, 18 May 2016 11:17:17 -0400 From: "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" To: "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" , "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" , Juergen Schoenwaelder Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 11:15:58 -0400 Thread-Topic: [lmap] time to decide about LMAP virtual interim Thread-Index: AQHRsRKJgwF7//eR7Eax4kI4QYJS9J++wwrggAAI8t+AAAI7VA== Message-ID: <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D458D49153B@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> References: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA751E3E04@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> <20160518143526.GB336@elstar.local>, <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA751E71FD@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com>, <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D458D49153A@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> In-Reply-To: <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D458D49153A@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "lmap@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [lmap] time to decide about LMAP virtual interim X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 15:17:22 -0000 s/intermission/interim/ ________________________________________ From: lmap [lmap-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 11:07 AM To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); Juergen Schoenwaelder Cc: lmap@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lmap] time to decide about LMAP virtual interim *** Security Advisory: This Message Originated Outside of AT&T ***. Reference http://cso.att.com/EmailSecurity/IDSP.html for more information. I agree that the intermission are useful, as they give us an intermediate point to develop solutions and work examples. I'm traveling in Europe most of June, but can probably make a meeting after 1800 most days during the first two full weeks. Al ________________________________________ From: lmap [lmap-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [droma= sca@avaya.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 10:36 AM To: Juergen Schoenwaelder Cc: lmap@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lmap] time to decide about LMAP virtual interim Any thoughts about how useful a LMAP virtual interim can be. Any restrictio= ns for attending June (like scheduled travel)? Thanks and Regards, Dan -----Original Message----- From: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de] Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 5:35 PM To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) Cc: lmap@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lmap] time to decide about LMAP virtual interim I plan to pick up LMAP work next week (since I am traveling a lot and this = usually means I can focus on things). /js On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 10:46:28AM +0000, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: > Hi, > > At IETF 95 we discussed about holding a virtual interim between IETF 95 a= nd IETF 96. It's time to decide whether such a meeting would be useful and = decide about the dates, as virtual meetings need to be announced at least t= wo weeks in advance. > > There was not much progress since IETF 95. Some discussions on the mail l= ist (mostly on the topics of defining schedule's events and on learning MA = capabilities), and no updates of any of the chartered documents. > > The principal contributors and all WG participants should let us know if = there are updates planned in the coming weeks, and if a virtual interim is = needed and useful. If the answer is positive we shall use a Doodle poll to = query about preferred dates and times. > > Thanks and Regards, > > Dan > > _______________________________________________ > lmap mailing list > lmap@ietf.org > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org_mail > man_listinfo_lmap&d=3DCwIBAg&c=3DBFpWQw8bsuKpl1SgiZH64Q&r=3DI4dzGxR31OcNX= CJf > QzvlsiLQfucBXRucPvdrphpBsFA&m=3DOndYxxD1UZpRbkEqRGRMtl2fcFL7DRpC89JLnr_3 > lR8&s=3DsGauBegBjnHzl3qJkpqUGHRJbkOE-LuvK7hGkfhdur8&e=3D -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 _______________________________________________ lmap mailing list lmap@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lmap _______________________________________________ lmap mailing list lmap@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lmap From nobody Thu May 19 02:48:26 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24CAD12D542 for ; Thu, 19 May 2016 02:48:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.317 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.317 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_REMOTE_IMAGE=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JjcZTiuccTIu for ; Thu, 19 May 2016 02:48:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from worker2.doodle.com (worker2.doodle.com [94.230.219.152]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1492412D557 for ; Thu, 19 May 2016 02:48:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from worker2.doodle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by worker2.doodle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 262369285A2 for ; Thu, 19 May 2016 11:48:20 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 11:48:20 +0200 (CEST) From: "Dan Romascanu (via Doodle)" To: lmap@ietf.org Message-ID: <1494901380.533550.1463651300154.POLL_INVITECONTACT_PARTICIPANT_INVITATION_WITH_MESSAGE@worker2.doodle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_533549_2129098202.1463651300154" Archived-At: Subject: [lmap] LMAP WG Interim meeting X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Dan Romascanu List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 09:48:24 -0000 ------=_Part_533549_2129098202.1463651300154 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there, Dan Romascanu (dromasca@avaya.com) invites you to participate in the Doodle poll "LMAP WG Interim meeting." virtual interim meeting of the IETF LMAP G Participate now https://doodle.com/poll/r786vprzebfqmgyw?tmail=3Dpoll_invitecontact_partici= pant_invitation_with_message&tlink=3Dpollbtn What is Doodle? 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Hi,

 

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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_SN1PR18MB0510F2FA4B7B7A4506B6BC088A460SN1PR18MB0510namp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: viavisolutions.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 31 May 2016 15:02:23.4757 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: c44ec86f-d007-4b6c-8795-8ea75e4a6f9b X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: SN1PR18MB0509 Archived-At: Subject: [lmap] Permanently stopping a schedule manually X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 15:02:33 -0000 --_000_SN1PR18MB0510F2FA4B7B7A4506B6BC088A460SN1PR18MB0510namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LMAP Team, Can you please provide guidance on how a user should permanently stop a sch= edule? Ideal Use Case: 1) User wants to stop the execution of an existing schedule and has no= intention of restarting it. 2) The Controller instructs the MA to stop the schedule execution 3) While the MA is stopping the schedule it continues to include the s= chedule in the response to queries for ietf-lmap-control:lmap-state. Thus= , the schedule continues to be reported as being in the 'running' or 'enabl= ed' state. Either way the MA continues to show the schedule exists and is = taking up resources that could prevent another schedule from executing. N= ote that the time to stop a schedule could take minutes if it had hundreds = or thousands of connections to remote devices and they have to be torn down= using a control protocol. 4) Once the schedule has stopped the MA then reports this by returning= the schedule's state as 'disabled' in queries for ietf-lmap-control:lmap-s= tate. The last-status can indicate it was stopped manually instead of bein= g in a 'disabled' state because it ran to completion on its own. Informati= on about failures during clean-up could also be provided such as 'connectio= n to remote device x failed to be torn down properly'. 5) After the controller retrieves this last state information from the= MA it then removes the schedule from the MA, freeing all remaining resourc= es on the MA that were used by the schedule. 6) The MA no longer reports the schedule when queried for ietf-lmap-co= ntrol:lmap-state Currently, LMAP provides: 1) The ability to remove a schedule (item #5 above). If used by itsel= f to stop a schedule the information in items #3 and #4 is lost. 2) A suppression command. My interpretation of this command is that i= t is for temporarily stopping a schedule. If this is correct then MA will c= ontinue to keep the schedule and thus not free all resources associated wit= h it. That is not this use case. 3) Depending on the outcome of this discussion: https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/lmap/current/msg02524.html if the ietf-lmap-control:lmap/schedules/schedule/stop object is kept in the= LMAP model it could be used to tell the MA to stop the schedule execution = (item #2 above). This use case could then be supported but only if this o= bject is kept and if this is an expected usage of this object. Please verify the use case is supported and if so, please either confirm it= should be accomplished as stated or provide information on how it should b= e performed. Regards, Ron --_000_SN1PR18MB0510F2FA4B7B7A4506B6BC088A460SN1PR18MB0510namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

LMAP Team,

 

Can you please provide guidance on how a user should= permanently stop a schedule? 

 

Ideal Use Case:

1)      User wants to stop the execution of an existing sch= edule and has no intention of restarting it.

2)      The Controller instructs the MA to stop the schedul= e execution

3)      While the MA is stopping the schedule it continues = to include the schedule in the response to queries for ietf-lmap-control:lm= ap-state.   Thus, the schedule continues to be reported as being = in the ‘running’ or ‘enabled’ state.  Either way the MA continues to show the schedule exists and is taking up resource= s that could prevent another schedule from executing.   Note that= the time to stop a schedule could take minutes if it had hundreds or thous= ands of connections to remote devices and they have to be torn down using a control protocol.

4)      Once the schedule has stopped the MA then reports t= his by returning the schedule’s state as ‘disabled’ in qu= eries for ietf-lmap-control:lmap-state.  The last-status can indicate = it was stopped manually instead of being in a ’disabled’ state because it ran to completion on its own.  Information about fai= lures during clean-up could also be provided such as ‘connection to r= emote device x failed to be torn down properly’.

5)      After the controller retrieves this last state info= rmation from the MA it then removes the schedule from the MA, freeing all r= emaining resources on the MA that were used by the schedule.

6)      The MA no longer reports the schedule when queried = for ietf-lmap-control:lmap-state

 

Currently, LMAP provides:

1)      The ability to remove a schedule (item #5 above).&n= bsp; If used by itself to stop a schedule the information in items #3 and #= 4 is lost.

2)      A suppression command.  My interpretation of t= his command is that it is for temporarily stopping a schedule. If this is c= orrect then MA will continue to keep the schedule and thus not free all res= ources associated with it.  That is not this use case.

3)      Depending on the outcome of this discussion: <= /o:p>

https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/lmap/cu= rrent/msg02524.html

if the ietf-lmap-control:lmap/schedules/sched= ule/stop object is kept in the LMAP model it could be used to tell the MA t= o stop the schedule execution (item #2 above).   This use case co= uld then be supported but only if this object is kept and if this is an expected usage of this object.

 

Please verify the use case is supported and if so, p= lease either confirm it should be accomplished as stated or provide informa= tion on how it should be performed.

 

Regards,

Ron

 

 

--_000_SN1PR18MB0510F2FA4B7B7A4506B6BC088A460SN1PR18MB0510namp_-- From nobody Tue May 31 10:20:09 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F423B12D558 for ; Tue, 31 May 2016 10:20:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.626 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.626 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DUz5RBTayBd3 for ; Tue, 31 May 2016 10:20:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de (atlas3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C45E212D168 for ; Tue, 31 May 2016 10:20:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85C11A81; Tue, 31 May 2016 19:20:04 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de ([10.70.0.220]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10030) with ESMTP id Ce7qO-2B9DlH; Tue, 31 May 2016 19:20:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hermes.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "Jacobs University CA - G01" (verified OK)) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Tue, 31 May 2016 19:20:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (demetrius2.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.47]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 447F720053; Tue, 31 May 2016 19:20:02 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius2.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tq7J3DwY4K_F; Tue, 31 May 2016 19:20:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEA152004E; Tue, 31 May 2016 19:19:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id C0C253AFEAE5; Tue, 31 May 2016 19:19:59 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 19:19:59 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Ron Stana Message-ID: <20160531171959.GA22928@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Ron Stana , "lmap@ietf.org" References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.0 (2016-04-01) Archived-At: Cc: "lmap@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [lmap] Permanently stopping a schedule manually X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 17:20:08 -0000 On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 03:02:23PM +0000, Ron Stana wrote: > LMAP Team, > > Can you please provide guidance on how a user should permanently stop a schedule? > > Ideal Use Case: > > 1) User wants to stop the execution of an existing schedule and has no intention of restarting it. > > 2) The Controller instructs the MA to stop the schedule execution What exactly do you mean with that? Do you assume the controller creates ietf-lmap-control:/lmap/schedules/schedule[name='foo']/end = 'immediate' or do you assume something else? > 3) While the MA is stopping the schedule it continues to include the schedule in the response to queries for ietf-lmap-control:lmap-state. Thus, the schedule continues to be reported as being in the 'running' or 'enabled' state. Either way the MA continues to show the schedule exists and is taking up resources that could prevent another schedule from executing. Note that the time to stop a schedule could take minutes if it had hundreds or thousands of connections to remote devices and they have to be torn down using a control protocol. If the schedule is 'enabled' and not 'running', then there is nothing to stop. If you want to prevent a schedule to run in the future, make sure the start property refers to an event source that does not trigger anymore. If the schedule is running (which means at least one action of the schedule is running), then indeed the running actions might linger around for a while until they terminate. > 4) Once the schedule has stopped the MA then reports this by returning the schedule's state as 'disabled' in queries for ietf-lmap-control:lmap-state. The last-status can indicate it was stopped manually instead of being in a 'disabled' state because it ran to completion on its own. Information about failures during clean-up could also be provided such as 'connection to remote device x failed to be torn down properly'. In my implementation, 'disabled' is reported only if the implementation figures out that the start event won't ever happen anymore in the future. I have to check what my code does if future starts can happen while 'end' has been set to immediate. This is an interesting corner case to explore and there is a chance that I kick of the schedule and try to stop it immediately; perhaps in this case I should not even attempt to start it. Again, I have to check this case. On the other hand, it also is quite natural to start and immediately terminate the schedule in this case since not starting it really creates a special case in the code logic. (What about a future event source that in certain contexts may behave as immediate? Special cases always come with a price tag.) > 5) After the controller retrieves this last state information from the MA it then removes the schedule from the MA, freeing all remaining resources on the MA that were used by the schedule. > > 6) The MA no longer reports the schedule when queried for ietf-lmap-control:lmap-state yep > Currently, LMAP provides: > > 1) The ability to remove a schedule (item #5 above). If used by itself to stop a schedule the information in items #3 and #4 is lost. I think my implementation does the following: If you remove the schedule from the config tree, then the scheduled actions still exists in the state tree. > 2) A suppression command. My interpretation of this command is that it is for temporarily stopping a schedule. If this is correct then MA will continue to keep the schedule and thus not free all resources associated with it. That is not this use case. yep > 3) Depending on the outcome of this discussion: > > https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/lmap/current/msg02524.html > > if the ietf-lmap-control:lmap/schedules/schedule/stop object is kept in the LMAP model it could be used to tell the MA to stop the schedule execution (item #2 above). This use case could then be supported but only if this object is kept and if this is an expected usage of this object. The 'stop' in the LMAP YANG model is a choice node and not an instantiatable leaf node. So you either create an 'end' node or a 'duration' node. It makes sense to me to interpret setting 'end' to 'immediate' as a request to stop a running schedule. As said above, I have not tested this with my implementation yet. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Tue May 31 12:48:11 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BB9012D7F5 for ; Tue, 31 May 2016 12:48:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=viavisolutions.onmicrosoft.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0iAEsiNV30pi for ; 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Tue, 31 May 2016 19:48:05 +0000 From: Ron Stana To: 'Juergen Schoenwaelder' Thread-Topic: [lmap] Permanently stopping a schedule manually Thread-Index: AdG7TSxeZJnqrkT5TQCf4kWVrJSYzQAE3w2AAAP4+FA= Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 19:48:05 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20160531171959.GA22928@elstar.local> In-Reply-To: <20160531171959.GA22928@elstar.local> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: jacobs-university.de; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;jacobs-university.de; dmarc=none action=none header.from=viavisolutions.com; x-originating-ip: [104.129.204.56] x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 85ad4112-ae18-410c-140f-08d3898c7ba6 x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1; SN1PR18MB0511; 5:rfdt53RbKTd0CExkbw4hsX5XMWUfvAfEJAihunFxMGhMYoDnhxefQ6H8R0xxjNWyhujlvmYU9KpjUjDeqaI4Kbfr9HKHdh/RnIwkux5Z7hbPDQUUhHCgxKbORkKVsNGDhmQRQnGM9WdqgSpmtTc5LQ==; 24:gtUQ3lNaMGOEBkeyfCLjNMmICnpsmoefZxfOfgycFMZacm5EFJtins/4JYTPnLLIL8QApxDmx94WLz8KV7jgH3j5NOJmjxoCzTpB0XKRElw=; 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DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:SN1PR18MB0511; H:SN1PR18MB0510.namprd18.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; MLV:sfv; LANG:en; spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:23 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: viavisolutions.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 31 May 2016 19:48:05.0248 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: c44ec86f-d007-4b6c-8795-8ea75e4a6f9b X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: SN1PR18MB0511 Archived-At: Cc: "lmap@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [lmap] Permanently stopping a schedule manually X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 19:48:09 -0000 Juergen, Thank you for the prompt response. I understand and agree with what you s= tate. Based on your response my conclusion is that ietf-lmap-control:lmap/schedul= es/schedule/end (thank you for correcting me) can be used for this purpose = and if it is not kept due to the other discussion thread that LMAP will pro= vide an alternative mechanism for stopping a schedule since it is a valid u= se case. I have one follow-up question. You wrote: [JS] I think my implementation does the following: If you remove the schedu= le from the config tree, then the scheduled actions still exists in the sta= te tree. After the schedule has been removed, for example:=20 HTTP DELETE /restconf/data/ietf-lmap-control:/lmap/schedules/schedule[name= =3D'foo'] then if your MA continues to report the schedule in response to queries for= ietf-lmap-control:lmap-state, what causes your MA to stop returning that s= chedule? =20 If status is expected to be returned for schedules after they have been rem= oved -say for x amount of time after removal or until y amount of new sched= ules have been accepted - I think this should be specified in the LMAP docu= mentation. =20 Ron -----Original Message----- From: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de]=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 1:20 PM To: Ron Stana Cc: lmap@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lmap] Permanently stopping a schedule manually On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 03:02:23PM +0000, Ron Stana wrote: > LMAP Team, >=20 > Can you please provide guidance on how a user should permanently stop a s= chedule? >=20 > Ideal Use Case: >=20 > 1) User wants to stop the execution of an existing schedule and has = no intention of restarting it. >=20 > 2) The Controller instructs the MA to stop the schedule execution What exactly do you mean with that? Do you assume the controller creates ietf-lmap-control:/lmap/schedules/schedule[name=3D'foo']/end =3D 'immedia= te' or do you assume something else? =20 > 3) While the MA is stopping the schedule it continues to include the= schedule in the response to queries for ietf-lmap-control:lmap-state. Th= us, the schedule continues to be reported as being in the 'running' or 'ena= bled' state. Either way the MA continues to show the schedule exists and i= s taking up resources that could prevent another schedule from executing. = Note that the time to stop a schedule could take minutes if it had hundred= s or thousands of connections to remote devices and they have to be torn do= wn using a control protocol. If the schedule is 'enabled' and not 'running', then there is nothing to st= op. If you want to prevent a schedule to run in the future, make sure the s= tart property refers to an event source that does not trigger anymore. If t= he schedule is running (which means at least one action of the schedule is = running), then indeed the running actions might linger around for a while u= ntil they terminate. > 4) Once the schedule has stopped the MA then reports this by returni= ng the schedule's state as 'disabled' in queries for ietf-lmap-control:lmap= -state. The last-status can indicate it was stopped manually instead of be= ing in a 'disabled' state because it ran to completion on its own. Informa= tion about failures during clean-up could also be provided such as 'connect= ion to remote device x failed to be torn down properly'. In my implementation, 'disabled' is reported only if the implementation fig= ures out that the start event won't ever happen anymore in the future. I ha= ve to check what my code does if future starts can happen while 'end' has b= een set to immediate. This is an interesting corner case to explore and the= re is a chance that I kick of the schedule and try to stop it immediately; = perhaps in this case I should not even attempt to start it. Again, I have t= o check this case. On the other hand, it also is quite natural to start and immediately termin= ate the schedule in this case since not starting it really creates a specia= l case in the code logic. (What about a future event source that in certain= contexts may behave as immediate? Special cases always come with a price t= ag.) > 5) After the controller retrieves this last state information from t= he MA it then removes the schedule from the MA, freeing all remaining resou= rces on the MA that were used by the schedule. >=20 > 6) The MA no longer reports the schedule when queried for ietf-lmap-= control:lmap-state yep > Currently, LMAP provides: >=20 > 1) The ability to remove a schedule (item #5 above). If used by its= elf to stop a schedule the information in items #3 and #4 is lost. I think my implementation does the following: If you remove the schedule fr= om the config tree, then the scheduled actions still exists in the state tr= ee. > 2) A suppression command. My interpretation of this command is that= it is for temporarily stopping a schedule. If this is correct then MA will= continue to keep the schedule and thus not free all resources associated w= ith it. That is not this use case. yep > 3) Depending on the outcome of this discussion: >=20 > https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/lmap/current/msg02524.html >=20 > if the ietf-lmap-control:lmap/schedules/schedule/stop object is kept in t= he LMAP model it could be used to tell the MA to stop the schedule executio= n (item #2 above). This use case could then be supported but only if this= object is kept and if this is an expected usage of this object. The 'stop' in the LMAP YANG model is a choice node and not an instantiatabl= e leaf node. So you either create an 'end' node or a 'duration' node. It ma= kes sense to me to interpret setting 'end' to 'immediate' as a request to s= top a running schedule. As said above, I have not tested this with my imple= mentation yet. /js --=20 Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103