From nobody Mon Apr 4 13:02:20 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: maprg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: maprg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03CC212D833 for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 13:02:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jbwKPhgEGhTx for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 13:02:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uillean.fuaim.com (uillean.fuaim.com [206.197.161.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 815AE12D860 for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 13:02:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clairseach.fuaim.com (clairseach-high.fuaim.com [206.197.161.158]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by uillean.fuaim.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FCD3880E2 for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 13:02:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-b17a.meeting.ietf.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:67c:370:176:492f:4985:11c7:e6a4]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by clairseach.fuaim.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18C7D328081A for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 13:02:16 -0700 (PDT) To: maprg@irtf.org From: Brian Haberman Message-ID: <5702C842.4090405@innovationslab.net> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 16:02:10 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LxBRjDjp7JomR1bpBKsdRUq0qqgLxbH9h" Archived-At: Subject: [Maprg] Identifying target addresses X-BeenThere: maprg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Measurement and Analysis for Protocols \(MAP\) \(Proposed\) RG mailing list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2016 20:02:19 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --LxBRjDjp7JomR1bpBKsdRUq0qqgLxbH9h Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="xQIKvr4Vc79DdbxOuJsI8Be55WbVUeET0" From: Brian Haberman To: maprg@irtf.org Message-ID: <5702C842.4090405@innovationslab.net> Subject: Identifying target addresses --xQIKvr4Vc79DdbxOuJsI8Be55WbVUeET0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, A couple of the talks at today's MAPRG meeting raised the issue of being able to identify addresses in other networks to use as the target of reachability tests (e.g., traceroute). In the case of networks willing to cooperate in such tests, there is a way for them to advertise the address(es) to be used. https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5943.txt I could imagine that Eric's talk on testing IPv6 extension header handling could be extended by getting cooperating networks to deploy the RPSL attribute described in the above RFC. 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In the case of networks > willing to cooperate in such tests, there is a way for them to advertise > the address(es) to be used. > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5943.txt > > I could imagine that Eric's talk on testing IPv6 extension header > handling could be extended by getting cooperating networks to deploy the > RPSL attribute described in the above RFC. > > Regards, > Brian Coincidentally, we've just published a RIPE Labs article about the usage of pingable: attributes in the RIPE database. See below for the announcement. Regards, Robert -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: [db-wg] New on RIPE Labs: How Pingable are the Pingables? Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 14:25:42 +0200 From: Mirjam Kuehne To: RIPE Database WG Dear colleagues, We look at how the "pingable:" and "ping-hdl:" attributes have been adopted in the last five years and how reachable the pingable addresses registered in the RIPE Database are when pinged from RIPE Atlas. Spoiler alert: It could be better. Please find the details on RIPE Labs: https://labs.ripe.net/Members/wilhelm/how-pingable-are-the-pingables?pk_campaign=labs&pk_kwd=list-dbwg Kind regards, Mirjam Kuehne RIPE NCC From nobody Wed Apr 6 03:13:27 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: maprg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: maprg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00CBA12D513 for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2016 03:13:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Rt7A9_ecOTbG for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2016 03:13:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uillean.fuaim.com (uillean.fuaim.com [206.197.161.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3A96F12D50C for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2016 03:13:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clairseach.fuaim.com (clairseach-high.fuaim.com [206.197.161.158]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by uillean.fuaim.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17A0288124; Wed, 6 Apr 2016 03:13:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-8875.meeting.ietf.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:67c:370:136:243a:a950:8e39:c59c]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by clairseach.fuaim.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4191F328081A; Wed, 6 Apr 2016 03:13:23 -0700 (PDT) To: Robert Kisteleki , maprg@irtf.org References: <5702C842.4090405@innovationslab.net> <5703C378.60601@ripe.net> From: Brian Haberman Message-ID: <5704E13A.7080403@innovationslab.net> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 06:13:14 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5703C378.60601@ripe.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="XrVgL710eNr4N0XapN74VifBfChqpvbe1" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Maprg] Identifying target addresses X-BeenThere: maprg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Measurement and Analysis for Protocols \(MAP\) \(Proposed\) RG mailing list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2016 10:13:26 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --XrVgL710eNr4N0XapN74VifBfChqpvbe1 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="KqnuUHpTg7fsgxdH0DUc5LtHgBih7jPPU" From: Brian Haberman To: Robert Kisteleki , maprg@irtf.org Message-ID: <5704E13A.7080403@innovationslab.net> Subject: Re: [Maprg] Identifying target addresses References: <5702C842.4090405@innovationslab.net> <5703C378.60601@ripe.net> In-Reply-To: <5703C378.60601@ripe.net> --KqnuUHpTg7fsgxdH0DUc5LtHgBih7jPPU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Robert, On 4/5/16 9:54 AM, Robert Kisteleki wrote: >=20 > On 2016-04-04 22:02, Brian Haberman wrote: >> Hi All, >> A couple of the talks at today's MAPRG meeting raised the issue o= f >> being able to identify addresses in other networks to use as the targe= t >> of reachability tests (e.g., traceroute). In the case of networks >> willing to cooperate in such tests, there is a way for them to adverti= se >> the address(es) to be used. >> >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5943.txt >> >> I could imagine that Eric's talk on testing IPv6 extension header >> handling could be extended by getting cooperating networks to deploy t= he >> RPSL attribute described in the above RFC. >> >> Regards, >> Brian >=20 > Coincidentally, we've just published a RIPE Labs article about the usag= e of > pingable: attributes in the RIPE database. See below for the announceme= nt. Thanks for the info. While I am disappointed with the results shown, I am still optimistic that 5943 is a viable way for network operators to advertise endpoints that can be used in MAPRG-related measurements. Regards, Brian >=20 > Regards, > Robert >=20 >=20 > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: [db-wg] New on RIPE Labs: How Pingable are the Pingables? > Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 14:25:42 +0200 > From: Mirjam Kuehne > To: RIPE Database WG >=20 >=20 > Dear colleagues, >=20 > We look at how the "pingable:" and "ping-hdl:" attributes have been > adopted in the last five years and how reachable the pingable addresses= > registered in the RIPE Database are when pinged from RIPE Atlas. >=20 > Spoiler alert: It could be better. >=20 > Please find the details on RIPE Labs: >=20 > https://labs.ripe.net/Members/wilhelm/how-pingable-are-the-pingables?pk= _campaign=3Dlabs&pk_kwd=3Dlist-dbwg >=20 > Kind regards, > Mirjam Kuehne > RIPE NCC >=20 >=20 --KqnuUHpTg7fsgxdH0DUc5LtHgBih7jPPU-- --XrVgL710eNr4N0XapN74VifBfChqpvbe1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN 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(82.130.103.143) by kuehlewind.net with ESMTPSA (DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA encrypted, authenticated); 19 Apr 2016 17:53:28 +0200 To: maprg@irtf.org From: =?UTF-8?Q?Mirja_K=c3=bchlewind?= Message-ID: <57165477.80402@kuehlewind.net> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 17:53:27 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [Maprg] Minutes uploaded X-BeenThere: maprg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Measurement and Analysis for Protocols \(MAP\) \(Proposed\) RG mailing list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 15:53:34 -0000 Hi all, We've uploaded the minutes: https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/95/minutes/minutes-95-maprg If you have said something in the meeting, please double-check and let us know if there is something wrong (corrections cutoff is May 25)! Also a big THANKS to Tommy! He did an awesome job in taking very good and complete minutes!!! (We might ask you more often ;-) ) And following up on the meeting, there were a few things we could maybe catch up on the mailing list: a) ICANN Testbed for Middleboxes: Please contact Paul directly; but also please use this mailing list to discuss ideas about what could/should be measured and/or if you have similar data to share! b) IPv6 Prefix Intelligence: Please speak up if you are interested in this work, either the outcome or providing a contribution. Any idea how to get more data that helps the classification are more than welcome! c) UDP connectivity testing: There were some initial results presented, however, if you happen to have more measurement data that could be used to derive connectivity information (for UDP vs. TCP or also other protocols vs. TCP) please let us know! Finally, as we just very briefly discussed this at the meeting, please also let us know if you have any comments on the charter and the scope of the group. Already looking forward to the meeting in Berlin! Mirja & Dave