From nobody Thu Feb 20 07:27:31 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: middisc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: middisc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DB0C1A01B3 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2014 07:27:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.45 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.45 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.548, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9jYdk2WYzSbP for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2014 07:27:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx12.netapp.com (mx12.netapp.com [216.240.18.77]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5785D1A0195 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2014 07:27:22 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.97,512,1389772800"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="144215549" Received: from vmwexceht02-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.76.240]) by mx12-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 20 Feb 2014 07:27:19 -0800 Received: from SACEXCMBX01-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([169.254.2.211]) by vmwexceht02-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.76.240]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Thu, 20 Feb 2014 07:27:18 -0800 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: Wesley Eddy Thread-Topic: [middisc] closure of the middisc list Thread-Index: AQHPDIEADxwEUn2PpUGYJfRV0uu0Upp7ciiAgAAFD4CAAAB5gIAAAjQAgEOTr4A= Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 15:27:17 +0000 Message-ID: References: <50ECC3EF.1020405@mti-systems.com> <510B1D7B.1080704@mti-systems.com> <510B265E.6060003@mti-systems.com> <974FE049BD0F2E4188567FAD99DEF0331E801629@pwsvl-excmbx-04.internal.cacheflow.com> <512AD48A.5010104@mti-systems.com> <5166EB4E.8090402@mti-systems.com> <2A8B04BF-8F0A-4031-9CD7-6648A3C17AD8@netapp.com> <52CD6851.6040002@mti-systems.com> <52CD6CF5.1030604@mti-systems.com> <3DC697A4-5800-47A5-B7D1-F68B9DE02D25@netapp.com> In-Reply-To: <3DC697A4-5800-47A5-B7D1-F68B9DE02D25@netapp.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.122.105.28] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A9AD9DFB-D335-4248-AF54-F2A0D76F9316"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/middisc/TUNF2_sXvsCYW6YfyoMDB_0XqyQ Cc: "tsv-ads@tools.ietf.org" , "middisc@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [middisc] closure of the middisc list X-BeenThere: middisc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussions on TCP option for middlebox discovery." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 15:27:29 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_A9AD9DFB-D335-4248-AF54-F2A0D76F9316 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I guess people HAVE run out of steam? On 2014-1-8, at 16:29, Eggert, Lars wrote: > I'd even volunteer to write any text that still needs to be written, = if the authors have run out of steam.=20 >=20 > On 2014-1-8, at 16:21, Wesley Eddy wrote: >=20 >> On 1/8/2014 10:19 AM, Anantha Ramaiah wrote: >>> That is a very good summary of the effort, Wes. Cisco was interested = in >>> pursuing this effort, hence I was part of it initially, but both = myself >>> and Mani (later after I left Cisco) have quit Cisco and hence not in = a >>> position to actively pursue this effort. Not sure about other = authors.=20 >>>=20 >>> That said, my thinking would be : since we have come so far on this >>> effort, it the AD's can sponsor this and take this forward and the >>> authors can spare some cycles for any additional edits (if any), = then we >>> can get this through.=20 >>>=20 >>> Happy new year (belated) to all! >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> I would certainly like to see it go forward, and will even volunteer >> to be a document shepherd if that helps the ADs :). >>=20 >> --=20 >> Wes Eddy >> MTI Systems >=20 > _______________________________________________ > middisc mailing list > middisc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/middisc --Apple-Mail=_A9AD9DFB-D335-4248-AF54-F2A0D76F9316 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQCVAwUBUwYe1dZcnpRveo1xAQKlZwP/RW5r5MqX5ci5UgLfdK+V1ks+qaazGDwT SW26CyfSOtsvKQ2XQf9KJm8g2is4kvyqrytrOiFe8IpyGZip0jdfTeSeMIv7u9du 5yoE1YUCSjlLZdoZCLHUyYzxRdqIsK5R/+ytXQR9eyU+/qCLqGhIcPgV2MGpz5GI oOBB3ZhzB+Y= =kdXw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_A9AD9DFB-D335-4248-AF54-F2A0D76F9316-- From nobody Fri Feb 21 15:05:13 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: middisc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: middisc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9D041A02D9 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2014 15:05:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.748 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.748 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.548, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4V9CaQozl0l8 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2014 15:05:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from synonym.bluecoat.com (synonym.bluecoat.com [199.91.133.5]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A7A91A0105 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2014 15:05:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.9.43.134] (unknown [10.9.43.134]) by synonym.bluecoat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A3B97FE081 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2014 15:05:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5307DBA0.3010504@bluecoat.com> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 15:05:04 -0800 From: Andrew Knutsen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: middisc@ietf.org References: <50ECC3EF.1020405@mti-systems.com> <510B1D7B.1080704@mti-systems.com> <510B265E.6060003@mti-systems.com> <974FE049BD0F2E4188567FAD99DEF0331E801629@pwsvl-excmbx-04.internal.cacheflow.com> <512AD48A.5010104@mti-systems.com> <5166EB4E.8090402@mti-systems.com> <2A8B04BF-8F0A-4031-9CD7-6648A3C17AD8@netapp.com> <52CD6851.6040002@mti-systems.com> <52CD6CF5.1030604@mti-systems.com> <3DC697A4-5800-47A5-B7D1-F68B9DE02D25@netapp.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020904010000060807030102" Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/middisc/LwHVZiQQUCac7wopV282yRojeC4 Subject: Re: [middisc] closure of the middisc list X-BeenThere: middisc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussions on TCP option for middlebox discovery." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 23:05:12 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020904010000060807030102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It seems to be the consensus that the proper way to get a TCP option kind is to squat. Until this changes, the effort seems futile. Especially since the effective embargo on new kinds makes squatting safe. Andrew PS In our case, we are using the "experimental" kind rather than squatting, and RFC 6994 makes it less likely we'll have a problem using it in production. So it looks like that's what we'll do, unless things change. AK On 2/20/2014 7:27 AM, Eggert, Lars wrote: > I guess people HAVE run out of steam? > > On 2014-1-8, at 16:29, Eggert, Lars wrote: > >> I'd even volunteer to write any text that still needs to be written, if the authors have run out of steam. >> >> On 2014-1-8, at 16:21, Wesley Eddy wrote: >> >>> On 1/8/2014 10:19 AM, Anantha Ramaiah wrote: >>>> That is a very good summary of the effort, Wes. Cisco was interested in >>>> pursuing this effort, hence I was part of it initially, but both myself >>>> and Mani (later after I left Cisco) have quit Cisco and hence not in a >>>> position to actively pursue this effort. Not sure about other authors. >>>> >>>> That said, my thinking would be : since we have come so far on this >>>> effort, it the AD's can sponsor this and take this forward and the >>>> authors can spare some cycles for any additional edits (if any), then we >>>> can get this through. >>>> >>>> Happy new year (belated) to all! >>>> >>> >>> I would certainly like to see it go forward, and will even volunteer >>> to be a document shepherd if that helps the ADs :). >>> >>> -- >>> Wes Eddy >>> MTI Systems >> _______________________________________________ >> middisc mailing list >> middisc@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/middisc > > > _______________________________________________ > middisc mailing list > middisc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/middisc --------------020904010000060807030102 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

   It seems to be the consensus that the proper way to get a TCP option kind is to squat.  Until this changes, the effort seems futile.  Especially since the effective embargo on new kinds makes squatting safe.

Andrew

PS In our case, we are using the "experimental" kind rather than squatting, and RFC 6994 makes it less likely we'll have a problem using it in production.  So it looks like that's what we'll do, unless things change.
AK

On 2/20/2014 7:27 AM, Eggert, Lars wrote:
I guess people HAVE run out of steam?

On 2014-1-8, at 16:29, Eggert, Lars <lars@netapp.com> wrote:


I'd even volunteer to write any text that still needs to be written, if the authors have run out of steam. 

On 2014-1-8, at 16:21, Wesley Eddy <wes@mti-systems.com> wrote:


On 1/8/2014 10:19 AM, Anantha Ramaiah wrote:

That is a very good summary of the effort, Wes. Cisco was interested in
pursuing this effort, hence I was part of it initially, but both myself
and Mani (later after I left Cisco) have quit Cisco and hence not in a
position to actively pursue this effort. Not sure about other authors. 

That said, my thinking would be : since we have come so far on this
effort, it the AD's can sponsor this and take this forward and the
authors can spare some cycles for any additional edits (if any), then we
can get this through. 

Happy new year (belated) to all!



I would certainly like to see it go forward, and will even volunteer
to be a document shepherd if that helps the ADs :).

-- 
Wes Eddy
MTI Systems

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Hi,

On 2014-2-22, at 0:05, Andrew Knutsen  =
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kind is to squat.

I don't think that's an accurate characterization. If I recall correctly =
- it's been a while - some issues were raised when the draft was =
presented in the IETF, but they can certainly be overcome with a bit of =
energy to produce a revision or two.

Hence the question if anyone has this energy. It need not be the folks =
currently listed as authors, if they are willing to let someone else =
hold the pen.

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Lars,

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> Hence the question if anyone has this energy. It need not be the folks
> currently listed as authors, if they are willing to let someone else hold
> the pen.
>

This is perfectly fine by me. I can also volunteer to do any reviews to the
the extent possible, that my current position permits. Thanks for you and
Wes for your consideration.

-Anantha

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Lars,




Hence the question if anyone has this energy. It need not be the folks curr=
ently listed as authors, if they are willing to let someone else hold the p=
en.

This is perfectly fine by me. I can=
 also volunteer to do any reviews to the the extent possible, that my curre=
nt position permits. Thanks for you and Wes for your consideration.



-Anantha=A0



Lars


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