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Hi Acee, 

On April 07, 2007 4:08 AM, Acee Lindem wrote:
> Hi Liu,
> 
> On Mar 27, 2007, at 10:57 PM, Liu Ya wrote:
> 
> > Hi Acee,
> >
> > At IETF 68th meeting you raised a question that 'chickens and
eggs'
> > issue is hard to solve. Thank you for your question. In fact, 7
reqs
> > are concluded in the -00 version doc. REQ-1 ~ REQ-4 are 
> concerned with
> > that  issue. In my opinion, they can all be resolved by MSEC
> > techniques. Maybe the comparison of 'c&e'  is used 
> improperly a bit in
> > the slide.
> 
> Ok - us OSPF guys don't like to think anyone can route more than one

> hop without them.
> 

By setting up a key server, or a subordinate key server, per OSPFv3
multicast network, existing MSEC techniques can solve that problem in
one hop. However, that solution sounds cost expensive a bit. Commets
from MSEC folks are welcome, and would be helpful to this topic. I've
CCed MSEC list.

regards,
Liu Ya

> Thanks,
> Acee
> 
> >
> > Any other questions and comments are welcome.
> >
> > Thanks and regards,
> > Liu Ya
> >
> > Following contents are taken from OSPF WG minutes.
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------
> >> OSPF v3 automated group keying Requirements for MSEC - Michael
> > Barnes
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------
> >> Acee
> >> - Looks like requirements hard to satify - chicken and egg
problem
> >> Michael
> >> - Not an easy problem to solve
> >> - Not ready to jump right into solutions, hence this document
> >
> >
> 
> 



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Hi Acee, 

On April 07, 2007 4:08 AM, Acee Lindem wrote:
> Hi Liu,
> 
> On Mar 27, 2007, at 10:57 PM, Liu Ya wrote:
> 
> > Hi Acee,
> >
> > At IETF 68th meeting you raised a question that 'chickens and
eggs'
> > issue is hard to solve. Thank you for your question. In fact, 7
reqs
> > are concluded in the -00 version doc. REQ-1 ~ REQ-4 are 
> concerned with
> > that  issue. In my opinion, they can all be resolved by MSEC
> > techniques. Maybe the comparison of 'c&e'  is used 
> improperly a bit in
> > the slide.
> 
> Ok - us OSPF guys don't like to think anyone can route more than one

> hop without them.
> 

By setting up a key server, or a subordinate key server, per OSPFv3
multicast network, existing MSEC techniques can solve that problem in
one hop. However, that solution sounds cost expensive a bit. Commets
from MSEC folks are welcome, and would be helpful to this topic. I've
CCed MSEC list.

regards,
Liu Ya

> Thanks,
> Acee
> 
> >
> > Any other questions and comments are welcome.
> >
> > Thanks and regards,
> > Liu Ya
> >
> > Following contents are taken from OSPF WG minutes.
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------
> >> OSPF v3 automated group keying Requirements for MSEC - Michael
> > Barnes
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------
> >> Acee
> >> - Looks like requirements hard to satify - chicken and egg
problem
> >> Michael
> >> - Not an easy problem to solve
> >> - Not ready to jump right into solutions, hence this document
> >
> >
> 
> 



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than as part of the patch.
pkg_delete grizzle-6.5
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Hi all,

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If anyone else has read it and has any comments, those are always welcome.

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Hi all,<br><br>With respect to <a href="http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-msec-mikey-ecc-02.txt">http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-msec-mikey-ecc-02.txt</a>, upon further review, we have discovered some issues in the way MIKEY-ECIES and MIKEY-ECMQV methods have been defined.&nbsp; Corrections are being made now, and I will submit a new draft as soon as it&#39;s ready.
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Hi all,<br><br>With respect to <a href="http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-msec-mikey-ecc-02.txt">http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-msec-mikey-ecc-02.txt</a>, upon further review, we have discovered some issues in the way MIKEY-ECIES and MIKEY-ECMQV methods have been defined.&nbsp; Corrections are being made now, and I will submit a new draft as soon as it&#39;s ready.
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Hi Eugene,
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will this involve changes to the general call flow and parameter send in
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described in the MIKEY applicability draft, which I'm going to submit as
an updated version end of this week. I included the call flows from your
draft.=20
=20
Ciao
    Steffen


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	Hi all,
=09
	With respect to
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being made now, and I will submit a new draft as soon as it's ready.=20
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Hi Eugene,
=20
will this involve changes to the general call flow and parameter send in
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described in the MIKEY applicability draft, which I'm going to submit as
an updated version end of this week. I included the call flows from your
draft.=20
=20
Ciao
    Steffen


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	Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 5:11 AM
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=09
=09
	Hi all,
=09
	With respect to
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-msec-mikey-ecc-02.txt,
upon further review, we have discovered some issues in the way
MIKEY-ECIES and MIKEY-ECMQV methods have been defined.  Corrections are
being made now, and I will submit a new draft as soon as it's ready.=20
=09
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=09
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txt">http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-msec-mikey-ecc-02.txt=
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MIKEY-ECIES and=20
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made now,=20
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