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Hello Folks,
  Suresh, Thomas and I initiated this activity and now I would like to propose a work plan and get your comments and reactions.
  
Item 1. 
Work on MLDv2 extensions. This work will concentrate on the router part and will involve how to track
per-host multicast listener status and build per host context. Per host multicast listener
context block, etc. will be defined.

Item 2.
Base protocol MIPv6 extensions on handling multicast sessions such as bandwidth inefficiency inherent in the home agent's unicasting  multicast packets through the tunnel.

Item 3. 
Handoff survival of local (at a foreign link) multicast sessions will be taken up in the context of care-of address based
 multicast group subscriptions.


  We solicit draft submissions in the above or related areas for IETF-69 as well as discussions on the mailing list so that we can organize an adhoc BOF meeting in Chicago.

  Any comments?

Regards,

Behcet






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<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:14pt"><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 14pt;">Hello Folks,<br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 14pt;"><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 14pt;">&nbsp; Suresh, Thomas and I initiated this activity and now I would like to propose a work plan and get your comments and reactions.<br>&nbsp; <br>Item 1. <br>Work on MLDv2 extensions. This work will concentrate on the router part and will involve how to track<br>per-host multicast listener status and build per host context. Per host multicast listener<br>context block, etc. will be defined.<br><br>Item 2.<br>Base protocol MIPv6 extensions on handling multicast sessions such as
 bandwidth inefficiency inherent in the home agent's unicasting&nbsp; multicast packets through the tunnel.<br><br>Item 3. <br>Handoff survival of local (at a foreign link) multicast sessions will be taken up in the context of care-of address based
 multicast group subscriptions.<br><br><br>&nbsp; We solicit draft submissions in the above or related areas for IETF-69 as well as discussions on the mailing list so that we can organize an adhoc BOF meeting in Chicago.<br><br>&nbsp; Any comments?<br><br>Regards,<br><br>Behcet<br></div></div></div><br></div></div></body></html>
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Hello Behcet,

> Item 1. 
> Work on MLDv2 extensions. This work will concentrate on the router
> part and will involve how to track
> per-host multicast listener status and build per host context. Per
> host multicast listener
> context block, etc. will be defined.

As you may know, the standard specification of MLDv2 is very complex
for regular or low-cost mobile terminals.
In fact, MBONED WG has been working on the "Lightweight IGMPv3 and
MLDv2" specification.
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-mboned-lightweight-igmpv3-mldv2-00.txt

This spec mainly aims to simplify the protocol spec by eliminating an
EXCLUDE filter-mdoe operation from the standard protocols and
corresponding message types. These protocols would also reduce the
implementation costs, while they keep interoperability with the
standard protocols.

We are currently working for the implementation design and its actual
implementations. If you are interested in this proposal, you may want
to read the I-D. We'd welcome your comment.

Regards,
--
Hitoshi Asaeda

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Behcet Sarikaya wrote:
> Hello Folks, Suresh, Thomas and I initiated this activity and now I
> would like to propose a work plan and get your comments and
> reactions.
> 
> Item 1. Work on MLDv2 extensions. This work will concentrate on the
> router part and will involve how to track per-host multicast listener
> status and build per host context. Per host multicast listener 
> context block, etc. will be defined.

Sorry, isn't MLDv2 router implementation already keeping track of 
listener status?

> Item 2. Base protocol MIPv6 extensions on handling multicast sessions
> such as bandwidth inefficiency inherent in the home agent's
> unicasting multicast packets through the tunnel.

What could the HA do?  Not unicast the multicast packets through the tunnel?

> Item 3. Handoff survival of local (at a foreign link) multicast
> sessions will be taken up in the context of care-of address based
> multicast group subscriptions.

What's the influence of re-subscribing a new CoA upon each movement, on 
the infrastructure routing?

Alex


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On 5/24/07, Alexandru Petrescu <alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Behcet Sarikaya wrote:
> > Hello Folks, Suresh, Thomas and I initiated this activity and now I
> > would like to propose a work plan and get your comments and
> > reactions.
> >
> > Item 1. Work on MLDv2 extensions. This work will concentrate on the
> > router part and will involve how to track per-host multicast listener
> > status and build per host context. Per host multicast listener
> > context block, etc. will be defined.
>
> Sorry, isn't MLDv2 router implementation already keeping track of
> listener status?


[Decoy] I think most of th routers doesnt keep track of the indivisual
multicast listeners but they just check whether some bosyis interested in
the multicast channel or not. So explicit Host tracking may not be required.
This requires table maintainance and other work as each and every Host
information needs to be stored and maintained.

> Item 2. Base protocol MIPv6 extensions on handling multicast sessions
> > such as bandwidth inefficiency inherent in the home agent's
> > unicasting multicast packets through the tunnel.
>
> What could the HA do?  Not unicast the multicast packets through the
> tunnel?
>
> > Item 3. Handoff survival of local (at a foreign link) multicast
> > sessions will be taken up in the context of care-of address based
> > multicast group subscriptions.
>
> What's the influence of re-subscribing a new CoA upon each movement, on
> the infrastructure routing?
>
> Alex
>
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<br><br>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 5/24/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Alexandru Petrescu</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com">alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Behcet Sarikaya wrote:<br>&gt; Hello Folks, Suresh, Thomas and I initiated this activity and now I<br>&gt; would like to propose a work plan and get your comments and
<br>&gt; reactions.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Item 1. Work on MLDv2 extensions. This work will concentrate on the<br>&gt; router part and will involve how to track per-host multicast listener<br>&gt; status and build per host context. Per host multicast listener
<br>&gt; context block, etc. will be defined.<br><br>Sorry, isn&#39;t MLDv2 router implementation already keeping track of<br>listener status?</blockquote>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #66ff99" color="#3333ff">[Decoy] I think most of th routers doesnt keep track of the indivisual multicast listeners but they just check whether some bosyis interested in the multicast channel or not. So explicit Host tracking may not be required. This requires table maintainance and other work as each and every Host information needs to be stored and maintained.
</font></div><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">&gt; Item 2. Base protocol MIPv6 extensions on handling multicast sessions<br>&gt; such as bandwidth inefficiency inherent in the home agent&#39;s
<br>&gt; unicasting multicast packets through the tunnel.<br><br>What could the HA do?&nbsp;&nbsp;Not unicast the multicast packets through the tunnel?<br><br>&gt; Item 3. Handoff survival of local (at a foreign link) multicast<br>
&gt; sessions will be taken up in the context of care-of address based<br>&gt; multicast group subscriptions.<br><br>What&#39;s the influence of re-subscribing a new CoA upon each movement, on<br>the infrastructure routing?
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Hi Alex,
See inline.

Regards,

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Behcet Sarikaya wrote:
> Hello Folks, Suresh, Thomas and I initiated this activity and now I
> would like to propose a work plan and get your comments and
> reactions.
> 
> Item 1. Work on MLDv2 extensions. This work will concentrate on the
> router part and will involve how to track per-host multicast listener
> status and build per host context. Per host multicast listener 
> context block, etc. will be defined.

Sorry, isn't MLDv2 router implementation already keeping track of 
listener status?

> Item 2. Base protocol MIPv6 extensions on handling multicast sessions
> such as bandwidth inefficiency inherent in the home agent's
> unicasting multicast packets through the tunnel.

What could the HA do?  Not unicast the multicast packets through the tunnel?

[behcet] What about looking into this in more detail and come up with a problem statement? 

> Item 3. Handoff survival of local (at a foreign link) multicast
> sessions will be taken up in the context of care-of address based
> multicast group subscriptions.

What's the influence of re-subscribing a new CoA upon each movement, on 
the infrastructure routing?

[behcet] I know a few drafts on this, but no problem statement. 

Alex


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<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:14pt"><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 14pt;">Hi Alex,<br>See inline.<br><br>Regards,<br><br>--behcet<br><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">----- Original Message ----<br>From: Alexandru Petrescu &lt;alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com&gt;<br>To: Behcet Sarikaya &lt;sarikaya@ieee.org&gt;<br>Cc: multimob@ietf.org<br>Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 4:51:25 AM<br>Subject: Re: [multimob] What is multicast mobility?<br><br><div>Behcet Sarikaya wrote:<br>&gt; Hello Folks, Suresh, Thomas and I initiated this activity and now I<br>&gt; would like to propose a work plan and get your comments and<br>&gt; reactions.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Item 1. Work on MLDv2 extensions. This work will concentrate on the<br>&gt; router part and will involve how to track
 per-host multicast listener<br>&gt; status and build per host context. Per host multicast listener <br>&gt; context block, etc. will be defined.<br><br>Sorry, isn't MLDv2 router implementation already keeping track of <br>listener status?<br><br>&gt; Item 2. Base protocol MIPv6 extensions on handling multicast sessions<br>&gt; such as bandwidth inefficiency inherent in the home agent's<br>&gt; unicasting multicast packets through the tunnel.<br><br>What could the HA do?&nbsp;&nbsp;Not unicast the multicast packets through the tunnel?<br><span style="color: rgb(96, 0, 191);"><br>[behcet] What about looking into this in more detail and come up with a problem statement? </span><br><br>&gt; Item 3. Handoff survival of local (at a foreign link) multicast<br>&gt; sessions will be taken up in the context of care-of address based<br>&gt; multicast group subscriptions.<br><br>What's the influence of re-subscribing a new CoA upon each movement, on <br>the infrastructure
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Dear Tony.

I'd like to ask you. In the previous e-mail, you mentioned that your group
is working on implementation of mobile multicast in real appilication. Is it
based on MIPL stack? Is there any specific documents or guideline? I don't
think so.

What is your guideline? I just want to know because I seem to have forgotten
big one.

Cheers.


On 5/28/07, Tony <guanjian8632@163.com> wrote:
>
>
> >Message: 1
> >Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 16:05:48 +0300
> >From: "Decoy M" <decoy77@gmail.com>
> >Subject: Re: [multimob] What is multicast mobility?
> >To: "Alexandru Petrescu" <alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com>
> >Cc: multimob@ietf.org
> >Message-ID:
> >       <495d743d0705240605j77c47e9al39e696fdd399e4fd@mail.gmail.com>
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> >On 5/24/07, Alexandru Petrescu <alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Behcet Sarikaya wrote:
> >> > Hello Folks, Suresh, Thomas and I initiated this activity and now I
> >> > would like to propose a work plan and get your comments and
> >> > reactions.
> >> >
> >> > Item 1. Work on MLDv2 extensions. This work will concentrate on the
> >> > router part and will involve how to track per-host multicast listener
> >> > status and build per host context. Per host multicast listener
> >> > context block, etc. will be defined.
> >>
> >> Sorry, isn't MLDv2 router implementation already keeping track of
> >> listener status?
> >
> >
> >[Decoy] I think most of th routers doesnt keep track of the indivisual
> >multicast listeners but they just check whether some bosyis interested in
> >the multicast channel or not. So explicit Host tracking may not be
> required.
> >This requires table maintainance and other work as each and every Host
> >information needs to be stored and maintained.
> >
> >> Item 2. Base protocol MIPv6 extensions on handling multicast sessions
> >> > such as bandwidth inefficiency inherent in the home agent's
> >> > unicasting multicast packets through the tunnel.
> >>
> >> What could the HA do?  Not unicast the multicast packets through the
> >> tunnel?
>        HA can record the MN information and maintain MN's MLD state etc.
> Forwarding
> the multicast data through unicast tunnel is just one mobile multicast
> scheme.
> >> > Item 3. Handoff survival of local (at a foreign link) multicast
> >> > sessions will be taken up in the context of care-of address based
> >> > multicast group subscriptions.
> >>
> >> What's the influence of re-subscribing a new CoA upon each movement, on
> >> the infrastructure routing?
>   If the New AR which MN attached has the multicast group state that MN
> subscribed, the
> multicast disruption time is short (100~200ms). while if New AR doesn't
> have the group
> states, it will take a long time to rejoin the groups.
>
>        Our group is working on implementation of mobile multicast in real
> appilication recently.
> Welcome everyone to discuss.
> >> Alex
> >>
> >>
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<div>Dear Tony.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>I&#39;d like to ask you. In the previous e-mail, you mentioned that&nbsp;your group is working on implementation of mobile multicast in real appilication. Is it based on MIPL stack?&nbsp;Is there any specific documents or guideline? I don&#39;t think so.
</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>What is your&nbsp;guideline? I just want to know because I seem to have forgotten big one.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Cheers.&nbsp;&nbsp;<br><br>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 5/28/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Tony</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:guanjian8632@163.com">guanjian8632@163.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"><br>&gt;Message: 1<br>&gt;Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 16:05:48 +0300<br>&gt;From: &quot;Decoy M&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:decoy77@gmail.com">
decoy77@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>&gt;Subject: Re: [multimob] What is multicast mobility?<br>&gt;To: &quot;Alexandru Petrescu&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com">alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>&gt;Cc: 
<a href="mailto:multimob@ietf.org">multimob@ietf.org</a><br>&gt;Message-ID:<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;<a href="mailto:495d743d0705240605j77c47e9al39e696fdd399e4fd@mail.gmail.com">495d743d0705240605j77c47e9al39e696fdd399e4fd@mail.gmail.com
</a>&gt;<br>&gt;Content-Type: text/plain; charset=&quot;iso-8859-1&quot;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;On 5/24/07, Alexandru Petrescu &lt;<a href="mailto:alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com">alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt;&gt;
<br>&gt;&gt; Behcet Sarikaya wrote:<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; Hello Folks, Suresh, Thomas and I initiated this activity and now I<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; would like to propose a work plan and get your comments and<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; reactions.
<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; Item 1. Work on MLDv2 extensions. This work will concentrate on the<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; router part and will involve how to track per-host multicast listener<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; status and build per host context. Per host multicast listener
<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; context block, etc. will be defined.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Sorry, isn&#39;t MLDv2 router implementation already keeping track of<br>&gt;&gt; listener status?<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;[Decoy] I think most of th routers doesnt keep track of the indivisual
<br>&gt;multicast listeners but they just check whether some bosyis interested in<br>&gt;the multicast channel or not. So explicit Host tracking may not be required.<br>&gt;This requires table maintainance and other work as each and every Host
<br>&gt;information needs to be stored and maintained.<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Item 2. Base protocol MIPv6 extensions on handling multicast sessions<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; such as bandwidth inefficiency inherent in the home agent&#39;s
<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; unicasting multicast packets through the tunnel.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; What could the HA do?&nbsp;&nbsp;Not unicast the multicast packets through the<br>&gt;&gt; tunnel?<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; HA can record the MN information and maintain MN&#39;s MLD state etc. Forwarding
<br>the multicast data through unicast tunnel is just one mobile multicast scheme.<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; Item 3. Handoff survival of local (at a foreign link) multicast<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; sessions will be taken up in the context of care-of address based
<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; multicast group subscriptions.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; What&#39;s the influence of re-subscribing a new CoA upon each movement, on<br>&gt;&gt; the infrastructure routing?<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;If the New AR which MN attached has the multicast group state that MN subscribed, the
<br>multicast disruption time is short (100~200ms). while if New AR doesn&#39;t have the group<br>states, it will take a long time to rejoin the groups.<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Our group is working on implementation of mobile multicast in real appilication recently.
<br>Welcome everyone to discuss.<br>&gt;&gt; Alex<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; ______________________________________________________________________<br>&gt;&gt; This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System.
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Dear Tony.

I'd like to ask you. In the previous e-mail, you mentioned that your group
is working on implementation of mobile multicast in real appilication. Is i=
t
based on MIPL stack? Is there any specific documents or guideline? I don't
think so.

What is your guideline? I just want to know because I seem to have forgotte=
n
big one.

Cheers.


On 5/28/07, Tony <guanjian8632@163.com> wrote:
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>
> >Message: 1
> >Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 16:05:48 +0300
> >From: "Decoy M" <decoy77@gmail.com>
> >Subject: Re: [multimob] What is multicast mobility?
> >To: "Alexandru Petrescu" <alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com>
> >Cc: multimob@ietf.org
> >Message-ID:
> >       <495d743d0705240605j77c47e9al39e696fdd399e4fd@mail.gmail.com>
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"
> >
> >On 5/24/07, Alexandru Petrescu <alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Behcet Sarikaya wrote:
> >> > Hello Folks, Suresh, Thomas and I initiated this activity and now I
> >> > would like to propose a work plan and get your comments and
> >> > reactions.
> >> >
> >> > Item 1. Work on MLDv2 extensions. This work will concentrate on the
> >> > router part and will involve how to track per-host multicast listene=
r
> >> > status and build per host context. Per host multicast listener
> >> > context block, etc. will be defined.
> >>
> >> Sorry, isn't MLDv2 router implementation already keeping track of
> >> listener status?
> >
> >
> >[Decoy] I think most of th routers doesnt keep track of the indivisual
> >multicast listeners but they just check whether some bosyis interested i=
n
> >the multicast channel or not. So explicit Host tracking may not be
> required.
> >This requires table maintainance and other work as each and every Host
> >information needs to be stored and maintained.
> >
> >> Item 2. Base protocol MIPv6 extensions on handling multicast sessions
> >> > such as bandwidth inefficiency inherent in the home agent's
> >> > unicasting multicast packets through the tunnel.
> >>
> >> What could the HA do?  Not unicast the multicast packets through the
> >> tunnel?
>        HA can record the MN information and maintain MN's MLD state etc.
> Forwarding
> the multicast data through unicast tunnel is just one mobile multicast
> scheme.
> >> > Item 3. Handoff survival of local (at a foreign link) multicast
> >> > sessions will be taken up in the context of care-of address based
> >> > multicast group subscriptions.
> >>
> >> What's the influence of re-subscribing a new CoA upon each movement, o=
n
> >> the infrastructure routing?
>   If the New AR which MN attached has the multicast group state that MN
> subscribed, the
> multicast disruption time is short (100~200ms). while if New AR doesn't
> have the group
> states, it will take a long time to rejoin the groups.
>
>        Our group is working on implementation of mobile multicast in real
> appilication recently.
> Welcome everyone to discuss.
> >> Alex
> >>
> >>
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<DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I would just like to give my com=
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Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 16:11:35 +0900
From: "Jong-Hyouk Lee" &lt;jonghyouk@gmail.com&gt;
Subject: Re: [multimob] Re: multimob Digest, Vol 2, Issue 4
To: guanjian8632@163.com
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Dear Tony.

I'd like to ask you. In the previous e-mail, you mentioned that your group
is working on implementation of mobile multicast in real appilication. Is i=
t
based on MIPL stack? Is there any specific documents or guideline? I don't
think so.

What is your guideline? I just want to know because I seem to have forgotte=
n
big one.

Cheers.


On 5/28/07, Tony &lt;guanjian8632@163.com&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt;Message: 1
&gt; &gt;Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 16:05:48 +0300
&gt; &gt;From: "Decoy M" &lt;decoy77@gmail.com&gt;
&gt; &gt;Subject: Re: [multimob] What is multicast mobility?
&gt; &gt;To: "Alexandru Petrescu" &lt;alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com&gt;
&gt; &gt;Cc: multimob@ietf.org
&gt; &gt;Message-ID:
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&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;On 5/24/07, Alexandru Petrescu &lt;alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com&gt=
; wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; Behcet Sarikaya wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Hello Folks, Suresh, Thomas and I initiated this activit=
y and now I
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; would like to propose a work plan and get your comments =
and
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; reactions.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Item 1. Work on MLDv2 extensions. This work will concent=
rate on the
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; router part and will involve how to track per-host multi=
cast listener
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; status and build per host context. Per host multicast li=
stener
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; context block, etc. will be defined.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; Sorry, isn't MLDv2 router implementation already keeping trac=
k of
&gt; &gt;&gt; listener status?
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;[Decoy] I think most of th routers doesnt keep track of the indivi=
sual
&gt; &gt;multicast listeners but they just check whether some bosyis intere=
sted in
&gt; &gt;the multicast channel or not. So explicit Host tracking may not be
&gt; required.
&gt; &gt;This requires table maintainance and other work as each and every =
Host
&gt; &gt;information needs to be stored and maintained.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; Item 2. Base protocol MIPv6 extensions on handling multicast =
sessions
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; such as bandwidth inefficiency inherent in the home agen=
t's
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; unicasting multicast packets through the tunnel.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; What could the HA do?  Not unicast the multicast packets thro=
ugh the
&gt; &gt;&gt; tunnel?
&gt;        HA can record the MN information and maintain MN's MLD state et=
c.
&gt; Forwarding
&gt; the multicast data through unicast tunnel is just one mobile multicast
&gt; scheme.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Item 3. Handoff survival of local (at a foreign link) mu=
lticast
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; sessions will be taken up in the context of care-of addr=
ess based
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; multicast group subscriptions.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; What's the influence of re-subscribing a new CoA upon each mo=
vement, on
&gt; &gt;&gt; the infrastructure routing?
&gt;   If the New AR which MN attached has the multicast group state that M=
N
&gt; subscribed, the
&gt; multicast disruption time is short (100~200ms). while if New AR doesn'=
t
&gt; have the group
&gt; states, it will take a long time to rejoin the groups.
&gt;
&gt;        Our group is working on implementation of mobile multicast in r=
eal
&gt; appilication recently.
&gt; Welcome everyone to discuss.
&gt; &gt;&gt; Alex
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Hi all,

we submitted the first version of the RG ID of the problem statement
draft on extending Multicast to Mobility.

It should be in the ID directory soon and can immediatly be downloaded
under:

http://www.realmv6.org/papers/draft-irtf-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps-00.txt


As we are preparing for an extension regarding layer 2 issues for Chicago:

      Does anybody have (or have a pointer to) *802.16 Wimax*
      point-to-multipoint experiments resp. measurements?


Details:

        Multicast Mobility in MIPv6: Problem Statement and Brief Survey
               <draft-irtf-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps-00.txt>

Abstract

      In this document we discuss mobility extensions to current IP layer
    multicast solutions. Problems arising from mobile group communication
    in general, in the case of multicast listener mobility and for mobile
    Any Source Multicast as well as Source Specific Multicast senders are
    documented. Characteristic aspects of multicast routing and
    deployment issues are summarized. The principal approaches to the
    multicast mobility problems are outlined subsequently.


The new document contains a number of clarification, language fixes and
minor additions.

Looking forward to your hints & discussions!

See you in Chicago,

thomas




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