From tena@huawei.com Fri Apr 8 13:28:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multrans@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multrans@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8664E3A6957; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 13:28:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.276 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.276 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.323, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ft3TJl24cW9k; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 13:28:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usaga02-in.huawei.com (usaga02-in.huawei.com [206.16.17.70]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B0CC3A68CB; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 13:28:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by usaga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LJC00CCNOY7YV@usaga02-in.huawei.com>; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 13:30:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from TingZousc1 ([10.212.246.132]) by usaga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0LJC005F4OY58P@usaga02-in.huawei.com>; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 13:30:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2011 13:30:05 -0700 From: Tina Tsou To: 'MBONED WG' , pim@ietf.org, 'IPv6 Ops WG' , behave@ietf.org, softwires@ietf.org Message-id: <010001cbf62b$bfc24e40$3f46eac0$@com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en-us Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AQEvzYA9JGDJgObGWqAS/HlE5dNRbJWMr2vQgAAKSVA= X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 08 Apr 2011 13:35:20 -0700 Cc: multrans@ietf.org Subject: [multrans] You are invited to subscribe to the multrans list X-BeenThere: multrans@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss the work of IPv4-IPv6 multicast." 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From tom111.taylor@bell.net Sat Apr 9 10:41:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multrans@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multrans@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89F543A6889 for ; Sat, 9 Apr 2011 10:41:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.259 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.259 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.537, BAYES_00=-2.599, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.803, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wuQG3+ZBPVQe for ; Sat, 9 Apr 2011 10:41:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blu0-omc4-s8.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s8.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.147]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C82CA3A6819 for ; Sat, 9 Apr 2011 10:41:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BLU0-SMTP97 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s8.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 9 Apr 2011 10:43:32 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [64.231.151.226] X-Originating-Email: [tom111.taylor@bell.net] Message-ID: Received: from [192.168.2.17] ([64.231.151.226]) by BLU0-SMTP97.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 9 Apr 2011 10:43:32 -0700 Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 13:43:33 -0400 From: Tom Taylor User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: multrans@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Apr 2011 17:43:32.0711 (UTC) FILETIME=[A5073770:01CBF6DD] Subject: [multrans] Comments on draft-jaclee-behave-v4v6-mcast-ps-01 X-BeenThere: multrans@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss the work of IPv4-IPv6 multicast." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 17:41:50 -0000 I'll mention that I have many purely editorial comments at the micro level (e.g., better ways to say some things in English, spelling out of acronyms and abbreviations on first use). Christian, you can advise me on the form in which you want to see this: as an XML file, by marked-up text, or whatever. My primary concern is that the current organization lacks focus because it considers the delivery infrastructures without separating the concerns posed by source and group address acquisition, interworking and forwarding of control messages, and distribution of content. In addition, requirements seem to be scattered through the document rather than grouped in one place. Just looking at the table of contents, I have these proposals: a) Instead of 2. Discussion, you should have 2. Service Requirements. This is the part the operator owns. b) 4.1 Fast Zapping, 4.5 SLA Considerations, 4.6 Load Balancing, and 4.7 Bandwidth Consumption should all be moved into the Service Requirements section. If there is material there that belongs in later sections it can be extracted and moved. c) Section 4 should be organized into three subsections: -- Group and Source Discovery Considerations -- Control Signalling and Multicast Tree Computation -- Content Distribution The benefit of doing this is that features common to the various use cases may emerge where they do not at present because grouping everything together makes every case seem to be unique. d) Within these subsections, the implications of the different use cases should be explored. That probably means grabbing some of the content from Section 3. Tom From wwwrun@core3.amsl.com Mon Apr 11 11:04:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multrans@ietf.org Delivered-To: multrans@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 30) id 0A0A13A69A0; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 11:04:48 -0700 (PDT) From: IETF Secretariat To: IETF Announcement list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20110411180449.0A0A13A69A0@core3.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 11:04:49 -0700 (PDT) Cc: tina.tsou.zouting@huawei.com, multrans@ietf.org Subject: [multrans] New Non-WG Mailing List: multrans -- Discuss the work of IPv4-IPv6 multicast X-BeenThere: multrans@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss the work of IPv4-IPv6 multicast." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 18:04:49 -0000 A new IETF non-working group email list has been created. 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From Lightning-Peng@huawei.com Tue Apr 12 00:42:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multrans@ietfc.amsl.com Delivered-To: multrans@ietfc.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 788A1E077B for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 00:42:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.995 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.995 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([208.66.40.236]) by localhost (ietfc.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Zg1WLCem5upr for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 00:42:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from szxga04-in.huawei.com (unknown [119.145.14.67]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5142DE06D7 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 00:42:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (szxga04-in [172.24.2.12]) by szxga04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LJJ005AM41106@szxga04-in.huawei.com> for multrans@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 15:41:25 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.2.119]) by szxga04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LJJ00603410NC@szxga04-in.huawei.com> for multrans@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 15:41:25 +0800 (CST) Received: from p65294x ([10.70.39.142]) by szxml04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0LJJ0024140VDZ@szxml04-in.huawei.com> for multrans@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 15:41:24 +0800 (CST) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 15:41:19 +0800 From: =?gb2312?B?xe2+/CBMaWdodG5pbmcgUGVuZw==?= In-reply-to: <01ef01cbf4d5$06aa0c10$13fe2430$@com> To: tom111.taylor@bell.net Message-id: <000c01cbf8e5$036ee6b0$0a4cb410$@com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Content-language: en-us Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: Acv0xuCoN1TPnVNIT0qUjvRQZEJ7kAADiFTgAQNeYaA= References: <01ef01cbf4d5$06aa0c10$13fe2430$@com> Cc: multrans@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multrans] Comments on draft-jaclee-behave-v4v6-mcast-ps-01 X-BeenThere: multrans@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss the work of IPv4-IPv6 multicast." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 07:42:52 -0000 The use cases in 3.4. Mono-Stack Multicast Delivery Infrastructure just involve Translation Cases and Traversal Cases, but I think another case in draft-tsou-v6ops-multicast-transition-v6only-01 should be included. In order to have good performance of 4.1 Fast Zapping, either Translation function or Traversal function is avoided in draft-tsou-v6ops-multicast-transition-v6only-01. Best Regards! Lightning Peng Phone: +86 755 28978851 Mobile: +86 15989362410 -----Original Message----- From: Tom Taylor [mailto:tom111.taylor@bell.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 6:55 PM To: Lee, Yiu Cc: christian.jacquenet@orange-ftgroup.com; BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/NAD/TIP; Jacni Qin; Tina TSOU Subject: Re: Comments on draft-jaclee-behave-v4v6-mcast-ps-01 I'll mention that I have many purely editorial comments at the micro level (e.g., better ways to say some things in English, spelling out of acronyms and abbreviations on first use). Christian, you can advise me on the form in which you want to see this: as an XML file, by marked-up text, or whatever. My primary concern is that the current organization lacks focus because it considers the delivery infrastructures without separating the concerns posed by source and group address acquisition, interworking and forwarding of control messages, and distribution of content. In addition, requirements seem to be scattered through the document rather than grouped in one place. Just looking at the table of contents, I have these proposals: a) Instead of 2. Discussion, you should have 2. Service Requirements. This is the part the operator owns. b) 4.1 Fast Zapping, 4.5 SLA Considerations, 4.6 Load Balancing, and 4.7 Bandwidth Consumption should all be moved into the Service Requirements section. If there is material there that belongs in later sections it can be extracted and moved. c) Section 4 should be organized into three subsections: -- Group and Source Discovery Considerations -- Control Signalling and Multicast Tree Computation -- Content Distribution The benefit of doing this is that features common to the various use cases may emerge where they do not at present because grouping everything together makes every case seem to be unique. d) Within these subsections, the implications of the different use cases should be explored. That probably means grabbing some of the content from Section 3. Tom From jacniq@gmail.com Tue Apr 12 01:57:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multrans@ietfc.amsl.com Delivered-To: multrans@ietfc.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D68DE06BD for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 01:57:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.298 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.298 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([208.66.40.236]) by localhost (ietfc.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7X75jBHc-3RR for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 01:57:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f44.google.com (mail-ww0-f44.google.com [74.125.82.44]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64F3CE06BB for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 01:57:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwa36 with SMTP id 36so5263214wwa.13 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 01:57:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Va1DfbldbQUTXa5RHsvoP4TwQbvrQ7U/ib1e5Q8fFqc=; b=LN9hZG38AwkRZpwOlqcthopXyaW4dh14dQZqKTXYXoCUbgPY0aP7RjszTbnW2mmZIw ScK/5oQnFaZUsCSu3ijP+PByy0/au1TmM1ENRJPTJ12MfdTRuDm/VG91iZ9se+5j/Z6d X7BBAxK8QYwT72uUFcmVPDpK3ptkuGpCTwpCo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=rj0k4heUh+UJ66RJlJyyGcmcl00FwIWBV3zd1HL/UPl0ktMHkATKy31yZBuvL/4t+w dXwGdFvRs+YblnmdS2Dsn13/T5DTVUGwwrGqYlz8xf9/9J6MlljnB2Q31Hi59pKwcKWU AvI4J+HZHD8+exPY8NdTdhU78hTtmB6UFXDYM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.16.100 with SMTP id g78mr3685569weg.55.1302598644531; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 01:57:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.122.7 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 01:57:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <000c01cbf8e5$036ee6b0$0a4cb410$@com> References: <01ef01cbf4d5$06aa0c10$13fe2430$@com> <000c01cbf8e5$036ee6b0$0a4cb410$@com> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 16:57:24 +0800 Message-ID: From: Jacni Qin To: =?UTF-8?B?5b2t5YabIExpZ2h0bmluZyBQZW5n?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151759366c7e014504a0b4e113 Cc: multrans@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multrans] Comments on draft-jaclee-behave-v4v6-mcast-ps-01 X-BeenThere: multrans@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss the work of IPv4-IPv6 multicast." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 08:57:29 -0000 --00151759366c7e014504a0b4e113 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi Peng, Thanks for your comments, On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 3:41 PM, =E5=BD=AD=E5=86=9B Lightning Peng < Lightning-Peng@huawei.com> wrote: > The use cases in 3.4. Mono-Stack Multicast Delivery Infrastructure just > involve Translation Cases and Traversal Cases, but I think another case i= n > draft-tsou-v6ops-multicast-transition-v6only-01 should be included. Jacni>: Sorry, I don't follow here, which use case do you mean? Cheers, Jacni > In order > to have good performance of 4.1 Fast Zapping, either Translation function > or > Traversal function is avoided in > draft-tsou-v6ops-multicast-transition-v6only-01. > > Best Regards! > > Lightning Peng > Phone: +86 755 28978851 > Mobile: +86 15989362410 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Taylor [mailto:tom111.taylor@bell.net] > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 6:55 PM > To: Lee, Yiu > Cc: christian.jacquenet@orange-ftgroup.com; BOUCADAIR Mohamed > OLNC/NAD/TIP; > Jacni Qin; Tina TSOU > Subject: Re: Comments on draft-jaclee-behave-v4v6-mcast-ps-01 > > --00151759366c7e014504a0b4e113 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi Peng,

Thanks for your comments,=

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 3:41 PM, = =E5=BD=AD=E5=86=9B Lightning Peng <Lightning-Peng@huawei.com> wrote:
The use cases in 3.4. =C2=A0Mono-Stack Mult= icast Delivery Infrastructure just
involve Translation Cases and Traversal Cases, but I think another case in<= br> draft-tsou-v6ops-multicast-transition-v6only-01 should be included.

Jacni>: Sorry, I don= 9;t follow here, which use case do you mean?


Cheers,
Jacni =C2=A0
In order
to have good performance of 4.1 Fast Zapping, either Translation function o= r
Traversal function is avoided in
draft-tsou-v6ops-multicast-transition-v6only-01.

Best Regards!

Lightning Peng
Phone: +86 755 28978851
Mobile: +86 15989362410

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Taylor [mailto:tom111.t= aylor@bell.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 6:55 PM
To: Lee, Yiu
Cc: christian.jac= quenet@orange-ftgroup.com; BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/NAD/TIP;
Jacni Qin; Tina TSOU
Subject: Re: Comments on draft-jaclee-behave-v4v6-mcast-ps-01


--00151759366c7e014504a0b4e113-- From lightning.pengjun@huawei.com Wed Apr 13 18:33:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multrans@ietfc.amsl.com Delivered-To: multrans@ietfc.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 135B5E0681; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 18:33:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.246 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.246 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.752, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([208.66.40.236]) by localhost (ietfc.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UrhZvLYjFMkW; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 18:33:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from szxga03-in.huawei.com (szxga03-in.huawei.com [119.145.14.66]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3329E05F5; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 18:33:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (szxga03-in [172.24.2.9]) by szxga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LJM001MACBIS1@szxga03-in.huawei.com>; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 09:33:18 +0800 (CST) Received: from szxeml202-edg.china.huawei.com ([172.24.2.119]) by szxga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LJM00G74CBIW6@szxga03-in.huawei.com>; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 09:33:18 +0800 (CST) Received: from SZXEML403-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.67.35) by szxeml202-edg.china.huawei.com (172.24.2.42) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.270.1; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 09:31:31 +0800 Received: from SZXEML501-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.1.142]) by szxeml403-hub.china.huawei.com ([169.254.173.75]) with mapi id 14.01.0270.001; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 09:33:13 +0800 Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 01:33:12 +0000 From: "Lightning Peng(Jun)" X-Originating-IP: [10.70.39.142] To: "v6ops@ietf.org" Message-id: <468BD06827570248BA4B70E2D7D00512D59CF6@SZXEML501-MBS.china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_A0QhTCxJ6mb3Zq5pU59v8Q)" Content-language: en-US Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Thread-topic: [multrans] Comments on draft-jaclee-behave-v4v6-mcast-ps-01 Thread-index: AQHL+PAFWfr1eUUN3U6Yy/fdvCob4JRbAmzQgAGRvjA= X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Cc: "multrans@ietf.org" Subject: [multrans] FW: Comments on draft-jaclee-behave-v4v6-mcast-ps-01 X-BeenThere: multrans@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss the work of IPv4-IPv6 multicast." 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 08:04:49 -0000 Dear all, Apologies for the late reply. Thanks to Tom for his comments. A couple of p= reliminary responses from my side in the text below.=20 [snip] I'll mention that I have many purely editorial comments at the micro level = (e.g., better ways to say some things in English, spelling out of acronyms = and abbreviations on first use). Christian, you can advise me on the form i= n which you want to see this: as an XML file, by marked-up text, or whateve= r. CJ: marked-up text is fine. My primary concern is that the current organization lacks focus because it = considers the delivery infrastructures without separating the concerns pose= d by source and group address acquisition, interworking and forwarding of c= ontrol messages, and distribution of content. In addition, requirements see= m to be scattered through the document rather than grouped in one place. Just looking at the table of contents, I have these proposals: a) Instead of 2. Discussion, you should have 2. Service Requirements.=20 This is the part the operator owns. CJ: Section 2 is meant to introduce the problem. I would keep it as is (pos= sibly revisiting some of the text). As for the service requirements, I agre= e with you that we need to be as explicit as possible and group all these r= equirements into a dedicated section. My feeling is that the logic of (1) i= ntroducing the issue, (2) further elaborating on the issue by means of vari= ous use cases and then (3) deriving requirements accordingly makes sense, a= nd I would suggest we keep this organization in mind. b) 4.1 Fast Zapping, 4.5 SLA Considerations, 4.6 Load Balancing, and 4.7 Ba= ndwidth Consumption should all be moved into the Service Requirements secti= on. If there is material there that belongs in later sections it can be ext= racted and moved. CJ: agreed. c) Section 4 should be organized into three subsections: -- Group and Source Discovery Considerations -- Control Signalling and Multicast Tree Computation -- Content Distribution The benefit of doing this is that features common to the various use cases = may emerge where they do not at present because grouping everything togethe= r makes every case seem to be unique. CJ: I agree with this taxonomy which is currently somewhat reflected by sec= tions 4.2 to 4.4. d) Within these subsections, the implications of the different use cases sh= ould be explored. That probably means grabbing some of the content from Sec= tion 3. CJ: agreed. If I understand correctly, you're suggesting that the use cases= section should be limited to a description of the use cases themselves, wh= ile the accompanying analysis (e.g. tables of figures 3 and 4) should be mo= ved to the above Section 4 as an elaboration of the different subsections -= correct? If so, I support this approach. Fellow co-authors, in light of the above comments, I'd like to suggest we r= evisit the draft organization accordingly, targeting the first half of May = for the publication of the updated version - please advise. In the meantime, I also invite Tom (and others) to detail their comments. Cheers, Christian. ***************************************************************************= ***** IMPORTANT.Les informations contenues dans ce message electronique y compris= les fichiers attaches sont strictement confidentielles et peuvent etre protegees par la loi. Ce message electronique est destine exclusivement au(x) destinataire(s) men= tionne(s) ci-dessus. Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur ou s il ne vous est pas destine, ve= uillez immediatement le signaler a l expediteur et effacer ce message=20 et tous les fichiers eventuellement attaches. Toute lecture, exploitation ou transmission des informations contenues dans= ce message est interdite. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 01:37:19 -0000 --20cf3043470a2f66f304a13b8c20 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3043470a2f66d804a13b8c1e --20cf3043470a2f66d804a13b8c1e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dear all, Please see inline below, On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 4:04 PM, wrote: > Dear all, > > Apologies for the late reply. Thanks to Tom for his comments. A couple of > preliminary responses from my side in the text below. > > [snip] > > I'll mention that I have many purely editorial comments at the micro level > (e.g., better ways to say some things in English, spelling out of acronyms > and abbreviations on first use). Christian, you can advise me on the form in > which you want to see this: as an XML file, by marked-up text, or whatever. > > CJ: marked-up text is fine. > > My primary concern is that the current organization lacks focus because it > considers the delivery infrastructures without separating the concerns posed > by source and group address acquisition, interworking and forwarding of > control messages, and distribution of content. In addition, requirements > seem to be scattered through the document rather than grouped in one place. > > Just looking at the table of contents, I have these proposals: > > a) Instead of 2. Discussion, you should have 2. Service Requirements. > This is the part the operator owns. > > CJ: Section 2 is meant to introduce the problem. I would keep it as is > (possibly revisiting some of the text). As for the service requirements, I > agree with you that we need to be as explicit as possible and group all > these requirements into a dedicated section. My feeling is that the logic of > (1) introducing the issue, (2) further elaborating on the issue by means of > various use cases and then (3) deriving requirements accordingly makes > sense, and I would suggest we keep this organization in mind. > Jacni>: There is a slight difference between the Problem and the Service Requirements. So maybe we can split it into two sub-sections and filled them accordingly. > b) 4.1 Fast Zapping, 4.5 SLA Considerations, 4.6 Load Balancing, and 4.7 > Bandwidth Consumption should all be moved into the Service Requirements > section. If there is material there that belongs in later sections it can be > extracted and moved. > > CJ: agreed. > Jacni>: +1 > > c) Section 4 should be organized into three subsections: > -- Group and Source Discovery Considerations > -- Control Signalling and Multicast Tree Computation > -- Content Distribution > The benefit of doing this is that features common to the various use cases > may emerge where they do not at present because grouping everything together > makes every case seem to be unique. > > CJ: I agree with this taxonomy which is currently somewhat reflected by > sections 4.2 to 4.4. > Jacni>: Yes, we can reorganize the Section 4 and leave the functional requirements in it. > > d) Within these subsections, the implications of the different use cases > should be explored. That probably means grabbing some of the content from > Section 3. > > CJ: agreed. If I understand correctly, you're suggesting that the use cases > section should be limited to a description of the use cases themselves, > while the accompanying analysis (e.g. tables of figures 3 and 4) should be > moved to the above Section 4 as an elaboration of the different subsections > - correct? If so, I support this approach. > Jacni>: I revised the Use Cases a little, based the discussion during the meeting. Please check the slides attached. I can convert it xml format later. Cheers, Jacni > Fellow co-authors, in light of the above comments, I'd like to suggest we > revisit the draft organization accordingly, targeting the first half of May > for the publication of the updated version - please advise. > > In the meantime, I also invite Tom (and others) to detail their comments. > > Cheers, > > Christian. > > > > --20cf3043470a2f66d804a13b8c1e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all,

Please see inline below,=

On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 4:04 PM, = <christian.jacquenet@orange-ftgroup.com> wrote:
Dear all,

Apologies for the late reply. Thanks to Tom for his comments. A couple of p= reliminary responses from my side in the text below.

[snip]

I'll mention that I have many purely editorial comments at the micro le= vel (e.g., better ways to say some things in English, spelling out of acron= yms and abbreviations on first use). Christian, you can advise me on the fo= rm in which you want to see this: as an XML file, by marked-up text, or wha= tever.

CJ: marked-up text is fine.

My primary concern is that the current organization lacks focus because it = considers the delivery infrastructures without separating the concerns pose= d by source and group address acquisition, interworking and forwarding of c= ontrol messages, and distribution of content. In addition, requirements see= m to be scattered through the document rather than grouped in one place.
Just looking at the table of contents, I have these proposals:

a) Instead of 2. Discussion, you should have 2. Service Requirements.
This is the part the operator owns.

CJ: Section 2 is meant to introduce the problem. I would keep it as i= s (possibly revisiting some of the text). As for the service requirements, = I agree with you that we need to be as explicit as possible and group all t= hese requirements into a dedicated section. My feeling is that the logic of= (1) introducing the issue, (2) further elaborating on the issue by means o= f various use cases and then (3) deriving requirements accordingly makes se= nse, and I would suggest we keep this organization in mind.

Jacni>: There is= a slight difference between the Problem and the Service Requirements. So m= aybe we can split it into two sub-sections and filled them accordingly.


b) 4.1 Fast Zapping, 4.5 SLA Considerations, 4.6 Load Balancing, and 4.7 Ba= ndwidth Consumption should all be moved into the Service Requirements secti= on. If there is material there that belongs in later sections it can be ext= racted and moved.

CJ: agreed.

Jacni>: +1
=A0

c) Section 4 should be organized into three subsections:
=A0 =A0-- Group and Source Discovery Considerations
=A0 =A0-- Control Signalling and Multicast Tree Computation
=A0 =A0-- Content Distribution
The benefit of doing this is that features common to the various use cases = may emerge where they do not at present because grouping everything togethe= r makes every case seem to be unique.

CJ: I agree with this taxonomy which is currently somewhat reflected = by sections 4.2 to 4.4.

Jacni>: Yes, we can reorganize the Section 4 and leave the funct= ional requirements in it.
=A0

d) Within these subsections, the implications of the different use cases sh= ould be explored. That probably means grabbing some of the content from Sec= tion 3.

CJ: agreed. If I understand correctly, you're suggesting that the= use cases section should be limited to a description of the use cases them= selves, while the accompanying analysis (e.g. tables of figures 3 and 4) sh= ould be moved to the above Section 4 as an elaboration of the different sub= sections - correct? If so, I support this approach.

=A0Jacni>: I rev= ised the Use Cases a little, based the discussion during the meeting. Pleas= e check the slides attached. I can convert it xml format later.


Cheers,
Jacni


Fellow co-authors, in light of the above comments, I'd like to suggest = we revisit the draft organization accordingly, targeting the first half of = May for the publication of the updated version - please advise.

In the meantime, I also invite Tom (and others) to detail their comments.
Cheers,

Christian.




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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 17:11:57 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_FvE34vzBWgDeiqVHGm2/Hw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi all, Comments: 1) Do we need to include deployment scenarios? 2) Do we need to cover mVPN? 3) Do we need to list the work items that cannot be solved only in PIM/MBONED/SOFTWIRE/BEHAVE? We keep our promises with one another - no matter what! Best Regards, Tina TSOU http://tinatsou.weebly.com/contact.html From: Jacni Qin [mailto:jacniq@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 9:37 AM To: christian.jacquenet@orange-ftgroup.com Cc: Tina Tsou; Tom Taylor; Lee, Yiu; BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/NAD/TIP; multrans@ietf.org Subject: Re: Proposed organization of requirements document Dear all, Please see inline below, On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 4:04 PM, wrote: Dear all, Apologies for the late reply. Thanks to Tom for his comments. A couple of preliminary responses from my side in the text below. [snip] I'll mention that I have many purely editorial comments at the micro level (e.g., better ways to say some things in English, spelling out of acronyms and abbreviations on first use). Christian, you can advise me on the form in which you want to see this: as an XML file, by marked-up text, or whatever. CJ: marked-up text is fine. My primary concern is that the current organization lacks focus because it considers the delivery infrastructures without separating the concerns posed by source and group address acquisition, interworking and forwarding of control messages, and distribution of content. In addition, requirements seem to be scattered through the document rather than grouped in one place. Just looking at the table of contents, I have these proposals: a) Instead of 2. Discussion, you should have 2. Service Requirements. This is the part the operator owns. CJ: Section 2 is meant to introduce the problem. I would keep it as is (possibly revisiting some of the text). As for the service requirements, I agree with you that we need to be as explicit as possible and group all these requirements into a dedicated section. My feeling is that the logic of (1) introducing the issue, (2) further elaborating on the issue by means of various use cases and then (3) deriving requirements accordingly makes sense, and I would suggest we keep this organization in mind. Jacni>: There is a slight difference between the Problem and the Service Requirements. So maybe we can split it into two sub-sections and filled them accordingly. b) 4.1 Fast Zapping, 4.5 SLA Considerations, 4.6 Load Balancing, and 4.7 Bandwidth Consumption should all be moved into the Service Requirements section. If there is material there that belongs in later sections it can be extracted and moved. CJ: agreed. Jacni>: +1 c) Section 4 should be organized into three subsections: -- Group and Source Discovery Considerations -- Control Signalling and Multicast Tree Computation -- Content Distribution The benefit of doing this is that features common to the various use cases may emerge where they do not at present because grouping everything together makes every case seem to be unique. CJ: I agree with this taxonomy which is currently somewhat reflected by sections 4.2 to 4.4. Jacni>: Yes, we can reorganize the Section 4 and leave the functional requirements in it. d) Within these subsections, the implications of the different use cases should be explored. That probably means grabbing some of the content from Section 3. CJ: agreed. If I understand correctly, you're suggesting that the use cases section should be limited to a description of the use cases themselves, while the accompanying analysis (e.g. tables of figures 3 and 4) should be moved to the above Section 4 as an elaboration of the different subsections - correct? If so, I support this approach. Jacni>: I revised the Use Cases a little, based the discussion during the meeting. Please check the slides attached. I can convert it xml format later. Cheers, Jacni Fellow co-authors, in light of the above comments, I'd like to suggest we revisit the draft organization accordingly, targeting the first half of May for the publication of the updated version - please advise. In the meantime, I also invite Tom (and others) to detail their comments. Cheers, Christian. --Boundary_(ID_FvE34vzBWgDeiqVHGm2/Hw) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

Hi = all,

Comments:

1) Do we need to include = deployment scenarios?

2) Do we need to cover mVPN?

3) Do we need to list the work = items that cannot be solved only in = PIM/MBONED/SOFTWIRE/BEHAVE?

 

 

We keep our = promises with one another – no matter = what!

 

Best = Regards,

Tina = TSOU

http://tinatsou.weebly.com/contact= .html

 

From: Jacni Qin [mailto:jacniq@gmail.com] =
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 9:37 AM
To: = christian.jacquenet@orange-ftgroup.com
Cc: Tina Tsou; Tom = Taylor; Lee, Yiu; BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/NAD/TIP; = multrans@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Proposed organization of = requirements document

 

Dear all,

Please see = inline below,

On Mon, Apr = 18, 2011 at 4:04 PM, <christian.jacquene= t@orange-ftgroup.com> wrote:

Dear all,

Apologies for the late reply. Thanks = to Tom for his comments. A couple of preliminary responses from my side = in the text below.

[snip]


I'll mention that I have many purely = editorial comments at the micro level (e.g., better ways to say some = things in English, spelling out of acronyms and abbreviations on first = use). Christian, you can advise me on the form in which you want to see = this: as an XML file, by marked-up text, or = whatever.

CJ: marked-up text is = fine.


My primary concern is that the = current organization lacks focus because it considers the delivery = infrastructures without separating the concerns posed by source and = group address acquisition, interworking and forwarding of control = messages, and distribution of content. In addition, requirements seem to = be scattered through the document rather than grouped in one = place.

Just looking at the table of contents, I have these = proposals:

a) Instead of 2. Discussion, you should have 2. = Service Requirements.
This is the part the operator = owns.

CJ: Section 2 is meant to = introduce the problem. I would keep it as is (possibly revisiting some = of the text). As for the service requirements, I agree with you that we = need to be as explicit as possible and group all these requirements into = a dedicated section. My feeling is that the logic of (1) introducing the = issue, (2) further elaborating on the issue by means of various use = cases and then (3) deriving requirements accordingly makes sense, and I = would suggest we keep this organization in mind.


Jacni>: There is a = slight difference between the Problem and the Service Requirements. So = maybe we can split it into two sub-sections and filled them = accordingly.


b) 4.1 Fast Zapping, 4.5 SLA = Considerations, 4.6 Load Balancing, and 4.7 Bandwidth Consumption should = all be moved into the Service Requirements section. If there is material = there that belongs in later sections it can be extracted and = moved.

CJ: = agreed.


Jacni>: = +1
 


c) Section 4 should be organized into = three subsections:
   -- Group and Source Discovery = Considerations
   -- Control Signalling and Multicast Tree = Computation
   -- Content Distribution
The benefit of = doing this is that features common to the various use cases may emerge = where they do not at present because grouping everything together makes = every case seem to be unique.

CJ: I agree with this taxonomy which is currently = somewhat reflected by sections 4.2 to = 4.4.


Jacni>: Yes, we can = reorganize the Section 4 and leave the functional requirements in = it.
 


d) Within these subsections, the = implications of the different use cases should be explored. That = probably means grabbing some of the content from Section = 3.

CJ: agreed. If I understand = correctly, you're suggesting that the use cases section should be = limited to a description of the use cases themselves, while the = accompanying analysis (e.g. tables of figures 3 and 4) should be moved = to the above Section 4 as an elaboration of the different subsections - = correct? If so, I support this = approach.


 Jacni>: I revised the = Use Cases a little, based the discussion during the meeting. Please = check the slides attached. I can convert it xml format = later.


Cheers,
Jacni


Fellow co-authors, in light of the = above comments, I'd like to suggest we revisit the draft organization = accordingly, targeting the first half of May for the publication of the = updated version - please advise.

In the meantime, I also invite = Tom (and others) to detail their = comments.

Cheers,

Christian.

=

 

 

= --Boundary_(ID_FvE34vzBWgDeiqVHGm2/Hw)-- From tena@huawei.com Tue Apr 19 10:20:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multrans@ietfc.amsl.com Delivered-To: multrans@ietfc.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2F71E083C for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2011 10:20:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.697 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.697 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.901, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([208.66.40.236]) by localhost (ietfc.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iI3afp5w+mfB for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2011 10:20:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usaga04-in.huawei.com (usaga04-in.huawei.com [206.16.17.180]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ADDAE0828 for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2011 10:20:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (usaga04-in [172.18.4.101]) by usaga04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LJW00IOLTHI7W@usaga04-in.huawei.com> for multrans@ietf.org; Tue, 19 Apr 2011 12:20:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from TingZousc1 ([10.212.246.43]) by usaga04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0LJW00FRZTH9NT@usaga04-in.huawei.com> for multrans@ietf.org; Tue, 19 Apr 2011 12:20:06 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 01:19:57 +0800 From: Tina Tsou In-reply-to: To: 'Jacni Qin' , christian.jacquenet@orange-ftgroup.com Message-id: <018101cbfeb6$056fff40$104ffdc0$@com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_pk1j7qVfRbqjMuQqUHrniQ)" Content-language: en-us Thread-index: Acv+MllJa2CHYcX2S5OL43As+nYh6wAg5b2w References: <006b01cbf646$02bfa9d0$083efd70$@com> <23716_1302521237_4DA2E595_23716_38959_1_983A1D8DA0DA5F4EB747BF34CBEE5CD14AE2FA2325@PUEXCB1C.nanterre.francetelecom.fr> <01ab01cbf886$6b9787b0$42c69710$@com> <26551_1303113887_4DABF09F_26551_128681_1_983A1D8DA0DA5F4EB747BF34CBEE5CD14AE4585104@PUEXCB1C.nanterre.francetelecom.fr> Cc: multrans@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multrans] Proposed organization of requirements document X-BeenThere: multrans@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss the work of IPv4-IPv6 multicast." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 17:20:12 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_pk1j7qVfRbqjMuQqUHrniQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi Jacni et al, Would dual stack and IPv6 only case be covered? We keep our promises with one another - no matter what! Best Regards, Tina TSOU http://tinatsou.weebly.com/contact.html From: Jacni Qin [mailto:jacniq@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 9:37 AM To: christian.jacquenet@orange-ftgroup.com Cc: Tina Tsou; Tom Taylor; Lee, Yiu; BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/NAD/TIP; multrans@ietf.org Subject: Re: Proposed organization of requirements document Dear all, Please see inline below, On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 4:04 PM, wrote: Dear all, Apologies for the late reply. Thanks to Tom for his comments. A couple of preliminary responses from my side in the text below. [snip] I'll mention that I have many purely editorial comments at the micro level (e.g., better ways to say some things in English, spelling out of acronyms and abbreviations on first use). Christian, you can advise me on the form in which you want to see this: as an XML file, by marked-up text, or whatever. CJ: marked-up text is fine. My primary concern is that the current organization lacks focus because it considers the delivery infrastructures without separating the concerns posed by source and group address acquisition, interworking and forwarding of control messages, and distribution of content. In addition, requirements seem to be scattered through the document rather than grouped in one place. Just looking at the table of contents, I have these proposals: a) Instead of 2. Discussion, you should have 2. Service Requirements. This is the part the operator owns. CJ: Section 2 is meant to introduce the problem. I would keep it as is (possibly revisiting some of the text). As for the service requirements, I agree with you that we need to be as explicit as possible and group all these requirements into a dedicated section. My feeling is that the logic of (1) introducing the issue, (2) further elaborating on the issue by means of various use cases and then (3) deriving requirements accordingly makes sense, and I would suggest we keep this organization in mind. Jacni>: There is a slight difference between the Problem and the Service Requirements. So maybe we can split it into two sub-sections and filled them accordingly. b) 4.1 Fast Zapping, 4.5 SLA Considerations, 4.6 Load Balancing, and 4.7 Bandwidth Consumption should all be moved into the Service Requirements section. If there is material there that belongs in later sections it can be extracted and moved. CJ: agreed. Jacni>: +1 c) Section 4 should be organized into three subsections: -- Group and Source Discovery Considerations -- Control Signalling and Multicast Tree Computation -- Content Distribution The benefit of doing this is that features common to the various use cases may emerge where they do not at present because grouping everything together makes every case seem to be unique. CJ: I agree with this taxonomy which is currently somewhat reflected by sections 4.2 to 4.4. Jacni>: Yes, we can reorganize the Section 4 and leave the functional requirements in it. d) Within these subsections, the implications of the different use cases should be explored. That probably means grabbing some of the content from Section 3. CJ: agreed. If I understand correctly, you're suggesting that the use cases section should be limited to a description of the use cases themselves, while the accompanying analysis (e.g. tables of figures 3 and 4) should be moved to the above Section 4 as an elaboration of the different subsections - correct? If so, I support this approach. Jacni>: I revised the Use Cases a little, based the discussion during the meeting. Please check the slides attached. I can convert it xml format later. Cheers, Jacni Fellow co-authors, in light of the above comments, I'd like to suggest we revisit the draft organization accordingly, targeting the first half of May for the publication of the updated version - please advise. In the meantime, I also invite Tom (and others) to detail their comments. Cheers, Christian. --Boundary_(ID_pk1j7qVfRbqjMuQqUHrniQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Jacni et = al,

Would dual stack and IPv6 only = case be covered?

 

 

We keep our = promises with one another – no matter = what!

 

Best = Regards,

Tina = TSOU

http://tinatsou.weebly.com/contact= .html

 

From: Jacni Qin [mailto:jacniq@gmail.com] =
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 9:37 AM
To: = christian.jacquenet@orange-ftgroup.com
Cc: Tina Tsou; Tom = Taylor; Lee, Yiu; BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/NAD/TIP; = multrans@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Proposed organization of = requirements document

 

Dear all,

Please see = inline below,

On Mon, Apr = 18, 2011 at 4:04 PM, <christian.jacquene= t@orange-ftgroup.com> wrote:

Dear all,

Apologies for the late reply. Thanks = to Tom for his comments. A couple of preliminary responses from my side = in the text below.

[snip]


I'll mention that I have many purely = editorial comments at the micro level (e.g., better ways to say some = things in English, spelling out of acronyms and abbreviations on first = use). Christian, you can advise me on the form in which you want to see = this: as an XML file, by marked-up text, or = whatever.

CJ: marked-up text is = fine.


My primary concern is that the = current organization lacks focus because it considers the delivery = infrastructures without separating the concerns posed by source and = group address acquisition, interworking and forwarding of control = messages, and distribution of content. In addition, requirements seem to = be scattered through the document rather than grouped in one = place.

Just looking at the table of contents, I have these = proposals:

a) Instead of 2. Discussion, you should have 2. = Service Requirements.
This is the part the operator = owns.

CJ: Section 2 is meant to = introduce the problem. I would keep it as is (possibly revisiting some = of the text). As for the service requirements, I agree with you that we = need to be as explicit as possible and group all these requirements into = a dedicated section. My feeling is that the logic of (1) introducing the = issue, (2) further elaborating on the issue by means of various use = cases and then (3) deriving requirements accordingly makes sense, and I = would suggest we keep this organization in mind.


Jacni>: There is a = slight difference between the Problem and the Service Requirements. So = maybe we can split it into two sub-sections and filled them = accordingly.


b) 4.1 Fast Zapping, 4.5 SLA = Considerations, 4.6 Load Balancing, and 4.7 Bandwidth Consumption should = all be moved into the Service Requirements section. If there is material = there that belongs in later sections it can be extracted and = moved.

CJ: = agreed.


Jacni>: = +1
 


c) Section 4 should be organized into = three subsections:
   -- Group and Source Discovery = Considerations
   -- Control Signalling and Multicast Tree = Computation
   -- Content Distribution
The benefit of = doing this is that features common to the various use cases may emerge = where they do not at present because grouping everything together makes = every case seem to be unique.

CJ: I agree with this taxonomy which is currently = somewhat reflected by sections 4.2 to = 4.4.


Jacni>: Yes, we can = reorganize the Section 4 and leave the functional requirements in = it.
 


d) Within these subsections, the = implications of the different use cases should be explored. That = probably means grabbing some of the content from Section = 3.

CJ: agreed. If I understand = correctly, you're suggesting that the use cases section should be = limited to a description of the use cases themselves, while the = accompanying analysis (e.g. tables of figures 3 and 4) should be moved = to the above Section 4 as an elaboration of the different subsections - = correct? If so, I support this = approach.


 Jacni>: I revised the = Use Cases a little, based the discussion during the meeting. Please = check the slides attached. I can convert it xml format = later.


Cheers,
Jacni


Fellow co-authors, in light of the = above comments, I'd like to suggest we revisit the draft organization = accordingly, targeting the first half of May for the publication of the = updated version - please advise.

In the meantime, I also invite = Tom (and others) to detail their = comments.

Cheers,

Christian.

=

 

 

= --Boundary_(ID_pk1j7qVfRbqjMuQqUHrniQ)-- From jacniq@gmail.com Tue Apr 19 17:51:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multrans@ietfc.amsl.com Delivered-To: multrans@ietfc.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C754E072C for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2011 17:51:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.500, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([208.66.40.236]) by localhost (ietfc.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Hnznp4+TLgTB for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2011 17:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f44.google.com (mail-vw0-f44.google.com [209.85.212.44]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CB31E0712 for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2011 17:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vws12 with SMTP id 12so226226vws.31 for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2011 17:51:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=20JjoFAMFOpY1Qan3pmdbzEI7JmHcmOGR798P9e6peE=; b=twfZSEnxK1TbN5kwcka3f0F5evG/BERzFFSOBz8Iq/Hscayr1HDhT3edb91UzgQydp DJRfTHR/B4C1khxHFJqoYnoC/4I0ypqmHbZph6iirvyRY+Tw/SI3pe06ym7Pvw2pR93w o6GZn1ILqnrDPT2UPMo/qfbvwXj+BLdfVzPy8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=r2PfElHMSUA7UES+dJxj44MYvblM/ETMJo0xrHyEQhzlUXOn74eTlk9I9DXvP4cSHk 4T8L6ktHe6qNUYdap3lE9bLJ44BIsWN8In01Vm7FCvf44kG2LICakitnelMLt4nRQlce wekFUzpqap51sPqaKdUYANN41iB6VgwxyyE8s= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.183.228 with SMTP id ep4mr4087846vdc.110.1303260717117; Tue, 19 Apr 2011 17:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.166.162 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Apr 2011 17:51:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <018101cbfeb6$056fff40$104ffdc0$@com> References: <006b01cbf646$02bfa9d0$083efd70$@com> <23716_1302521237_4DA2E595_23716_38959_1_983A1D8DA0DA5F4EB747BF34CBEE5CD14AE2FA2325@PUEXCB1C.nanterre.francetelecom.fr> <01ab01cbf886$6b9787b0$42c69710$@com> <26551_1303113887_4DABF09F_26551_128681_1_983A1D8DA0DA5F4EB747BF34CBEE5CD14AE4585104@PUEXCB1C.nanterre.francetelecom.fr> <018101cbfeb6$056fff40$104ffdc0$@com> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 08:51:57 +0800 Message-ID: From: Jacni Qin To: Tina Tsou Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec547ca3917f23d04a14f082e Cc: multrans@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multrans] Proposed organization of requirements document X-BeenThere: multrans@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss the work of IPv4-IPv6 multicast." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 00:51:59 -0000 --bcaec547ca3917f23d04a14f082e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re-, On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 1:19 AM, Tina Tsou wrote: > Hi Jacni et al, > > Would dual stack and IPv6 only case be covered? > Jacni>: I guess these have been mentioned in the current text, the problems of dual stack model for mcast and, IPv6 only cases are covered in "Mono-Stack" section. Sorry, what's your point? You propose to remove it? Cheers, Jacni > > > > > We keep our promises with one another =96 no matter what! > > > > Best Regards, > > Tina TSOU > > http://tinatsou.weebly.com/contact.html > > > > *From:* Jacni Qin [mailto:jacniq@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 19, 2011 9:37 AM > *To:* christian.jacquenet@orange-ftgroup.com > *Cc:* Tina Tsou; Tom Taylor; Lee, Yiu; BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/NAD/TIP; > multrans@ietf.org > > *Subject:* Re: Proposed organization of requirements document > > > > Dear all, > > Please see inline below, > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 4:04 PM, > wrote: > > Dear all, > > Apologies for the late reply. Thanks to Tom for his comments. A couple of > preliminary responses from my side in the text below. > > [snip] > > > I'll mention that I have many purely editorial comments at the micro leve= l > (e.g., better ways to say some things in English, spelling out of acronym= s > and abbreviations on first use). Christian, you can advise me on the form= in > which you want to see this: as an XML file, by marked-up text, or whateve= r. > > CJ: marked-up text is fine. > > > My primary concern is that the current organization lacks focus because i= t > considers the delivery infrastructures without separating the concerns po= sed > by source and group address acquisition, interworking and forwarding of > control messages, and distribution of content. In addition, requirements > seem to be scattered through the document rather than grouped in one plac= e. > > Just looking at the table of contents, I have these proposals: > > a) Instead of 2. Discussion, you should have 2. Service Requirements. > This is the part the operator owns. > > CJ: Section 2 is meant to introduce the problem. I would keep it as is > (possibly revisiting some of the text). As for the service requirements, = I > agree with you that we need to be as explicit as possible and group all > these requirements into a dedicated section. My feeling is that the logic= of > (1) introducing the issue, (2) further elaborating on the issue by means = of > various use cases and then (3) deriving requirements accordingly makes > sense, and I would suggest we keep this organization in mind. > > > Jacni>: There is a slight difference between the Problem and the Service > Requirements. So maybe we can split it into two sub-sections and filled t= hem > accordingly. > > > b) 4.1 Fast Zapping, 4.5 SLA Considerations, 4.6 Load Balancing, and 4.7 > Bandwidth Consumption should all be moved into the Service Requirements > section. If there is material there that belongs in later sections it can= be > extracted and moved. > > CJ: agreed. > > > Jacni>: +1 > > > > c) Section 4 should be organized into three subsections: > -- Group and Source Discovery Considerations > -- Control Signalling and Multicast Tree Computation > -- Content Distribution > The benefit of doing this is that features common to the various use case= s > may emerge where they do not at present because grouping everything toget= her > makes every case seem to be unique. > > CJ: I agree with this taxonomy which is currently somewhat reflected by > sections 4.2 to 4.4. > > > Jacni>: Yes, we can reorganize the Section 4 and leave the functional > requirements in it. > > > > d) Within these subsections, the implications of the different use cases > should be explored. That probably means grabbing some of the content from > Section 3. > > CJ: agreed. If I understand correctly, you're suggesting that the use cas= es > section should be limited to a description of the use cases themselves, > while the accompanying analysis (e.g. tables of figures 3 and 4) should b= e > moved to the above Section 4 as an elaboration of the different subsectio= ns > - correct? If so, I support this approach. > > > Jacni>: I revised the Use Cases a little, based the discussion during th= e > meeting. Please check the slides attached. I can convert it xml format > later. > > > Cheers, > Jacni > > > Fellow co-authors, in light of the above comments, I'd like to suggest we > revisit the draft organization accordingly, targeting the first half of M= ay > for the publication of the updated version - please advise. > > In the meantime, I also invite Tom (and others) to detail their comments. > > Cheers, > > Christian. > > > > > --bcaec547ca3917f23d04a14f082e Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re-,

On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 1:19 AM, Tina Tsou <tena@huawei.com> wrote:

Hi Jacni et al,

Wou= ld dual stack and IPv6 only case be covered?


Jacni&g= t;: I guess these have been mentioned in the current text, the problems of = dual stack model for mcast and, IPv6 only cases are covered in "Mono-S= tack" section. Sorry, what's your point? You propose to remove it?=


Cheers,
Jacni
=A0

=A0

=A0

We keep our promises with one another =96 no= matter what!

=A0

Best Regards,

Tina TSOU

http://tin= atsou.weebly.com/contact.html

=A0

F= rom: Jacni Qin [mailto:jacniq@gmail.com]

Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 9:37 AM
To: christian.jacquenet@orange-ftgroup.com
Cc: Tina Tsou; Tom Taylor; Lee, Yiu; BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/NAD/TIP; multrans@ietf.org

Subject: Re: Proposed organization of requirements document

=A0

Dear all,

Please see inline below,

On Mon, Apr 1= 8, 2011 at 4:04 PM, <christian.jacquenet@orange-ftgroup.com> wro= te:

Dear all,

Apologies for the late reply. Thank= s to Tom for his comments. A couple of preliminary responses from my side i= n the text below.

[snip]


I'll mention that I have many purely editorial comments at the micr= o level (e.g., better ways to say some things in English, spelling out of a= cronyms and abbreviations on first use). Christian, you can advise me on th= e form in which you want to see this: as an XML file, by marked-up text, or= whatever.

CJ: marked-up text is fine.


My primary concern is tha= t the current organization lacks focus because it considers the delivery in= frastructures without separating the concerns posed by source and group add= ress acquisition, interworking and forwarding of control messages, and dist= ribution of content. In addition, requirements seem to be scattered through= the document rather than grouped in one place.

Just looking at the table of contents, I have these proposals:

a= ) Instead of 2. Discussion, you should have 2. Service Requirements.
Thi= s is the part the operator owns.

CJ: Sectio= n 2 is meant to introduce the problem. I would keep it as is (possibly revi= siting some of the text). As for the service requirements, I agree with you= that we need to be as explicit as possible and group all these requirement= s into a dedicated section. My feeling is that the logic of (1) introducing= the issue, (2) further elaborating on the issue by means of various use ca= ses and then (3) deriving requirements accordingly makes sense, and I would= suggest we keep this organization in mind.


Jacni&= gt;: There is a slight difference between the Problem and the Service Requi= rements. So maybe we can split it into two sub-sections and filled them acc= ordingly.


b) 4.1 Fast Zapping, 4.5 SLA = Considerations, 4.6 Load Balancing, and 4.7 Bandwidth Consumption should al= l be moved into the Service Requirements section. If there is material ther= e that belongs in later sections it can be extracted and moved.

CJ: agreed.


Jacni>: +1
=A0


c) Section 4= should be organized into three subsections:
=A0 =A0-- Group and Source = Discovery Considerations
=A0 =A0-- Control Signalling and Multicast Tree= Computation
=A0 =A0-- Content Distribution
The benefit of doing this is that feature= s common to the various use cases may emerge where they do not at present b= ecause grouping everything together makes every case seem to be unique.

CJ: I agree with this taxonomy which is curren= tly somewhat reflected by sections 4.2 to 4.4.


Jacni>: Yes, we can reorganize the Section 4 a= nd leave the functional requirements in it.
=A0


d) Within these= subsections, the implications of the different use cases should be explore= d. That probably means grabbing some of the content from Section 3.

CJ: agreed. If I understand correctly, you'= ;re suggesting that the use cases section should be limited to a descriptio= n of the use cases themselves, while the accompanying analysis (e.g. tables= of figures 3 and 4) should be moved to the above Section 4 as an elaborati= on of the different subsections - correct? If so, I support this approach.<= /p>

=A0Jacni>: I revised the Use Cases a little, based the discussion= during the meeting. Please check the slides attached. I can convert it xml= format later.


Cheers,
Jacni

Fellow co-authors, in light of the above comments, I'd like to suggest= we revisit the draft organization accordingly, targeting the first half of= May for the publication of the updated version - please advise.

In the meantime, I also invite Tom (and others) to detail their comment= s.

Cheers,

Christian.

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--bcaec547ca3917f23d04a14f082e-- From tena@huawei.com Wed Apr 20 16:12:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multrans@ietfc.amsl.com Delivered-To: multrans@ietfc.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 883FCE07CB for ; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 16:12:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.797 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.797 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.800, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([208.66.40.236]) by localhost (ietfc.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Fqx7Y-qwXV6C for ; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 16:12:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usaga02-in.huawei.com (usaga02-in.huawei.com [206.16.17.70]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 083C7E07B6 for ; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 16:12:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by usaga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LJZ00LY04G7K1@usaga02-in.huawei.com> for multrans@ietf.org; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 16:12:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from TingZousc1 ([10.212.245.57]) by usaga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0LJZ00LM64FXE9@usaga02-in.huawei.com> for multrans@ietf.org; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 16:12:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 07:11:56 +0800 From: Tina Tsou In-reply-to: To: 'Jacni Qin' Message-id: <006601cbffb0$5b9d17e0$12d747a0$@com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_KbEY8/gohj4ZEOWGH+qasQ)" Content-language: en-us Thread-index: Acv+9TiWtWxVugphT2uLZuTWxQgFYwAuwzcw References: <006b01cbf646$02bfa9d0$083efd70$@com> <23716_1302521237_4DA2E595_23716_38959_1_983A1D8DA0DA5F4EB747BF34CBEE5CD14AE2FA2325@PUEXCB1C.nanterre.francetelecom.fr> <01ab01cbf886$6b9787b0$42c69710$@com> <26551_1303113887_4DABF09F_26551_128681_1_983A1D8DA0DA5F4EB747BF34CBEE5CD14AE4585104@PUEXCB1C.nanterre.francetelecom.fr> <018101cbfeb6$056fff40$104ffdc0$@com> Cc: multrans@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multrans] Proposed organization of requirements document X-BeenThere: multrans@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss the work of IPv4-IPv6 multicast." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 23:12:12 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_KbEY8/gohj4ZEOWGH+qasQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi Jacni, Thanks. That was just double check. We keep our promises with one another - no matter what! Best Regards, Tina TSOU http://tinatsou.weebly.com/contact.html From: Jacni Qin [mailto:jacniq@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 8:52 AM To: Tina Tsou Cc: christian.jacquenet@orange-ftgroup.com; Tom Taylor; Lee, Yiu; BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/NAD/TIP; multrans@ietf.org Subject: Re: Proposed organization of requirements document Re-, On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 1:19 AM, Tina Tsou wrote: Hi Jacni et al, Would dual stack and IPv6 only case be covered? Jacni>: I guess these have been mentioned in the current text, the problems of dual stack model for mcast and, IPv6 only cases are covered in "Mono-Stack" section. Sorry, what's your point? You propose to remove it? Cheers, Jacni We keep our promises with one another - no matter what! Best Regards, Tina TSOU http://tinatsou.weebly.com/contact.html From: Jacni Qin [mailto:jacniq@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 9:37 AM To: christian.jacquenet@orange-ftgroup.com Cc: Tina Tsou; Tom Taylor; Lee, Yiu; BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/NAD/TIP; multrans@ietf.org Subject: Re: Proposed organization of requirements document Dear all, Please see inline below, On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 4:04 PM, wrote: Dear all, Apologies for the late reply. Thanks to Tom for his comments. A couple of preliminary responses from my side in the text below. [snip] I'll mention that I have many purely editorial comments at the micro level (e.g., better ways to say some things in English, spelling out of acronyms and abbreviations on first use). Christian, you can advise me on the form in which you want to see this: as an XML file, by marked-up text, or whatever. CJ: marked-up text is fine. My primary concern is that the current organization lacks focus because it considers the delivery infrastructures without separating the concerns posed by source and group address acquisition, interworking and forwarding of control messages, and distribution of content. In addition, requirements seem to be scattered through the document rather than grouped in one place. Just looking at the table of contents, I have these proposals: a) Instead of 2. Discussion, you should have 2. Service Requirements. This is the part the operator owns. CJ: Section 2 is meant to introduce the problem. I would keep it as is (possibly revisiting some of the text). As for the service requirements, I agree with you that we need to be as explicit as possible and group all these requirements into a dedicated section. My feeling is that the logic of (1) introducing the issue, (2) further elaborating on the issue by means of various use cases and then (3) deriving requirements accordingly makes sense, and I would suggest we keep this organization in mind. Jacni>: There is a slight difference between the Problem and the Service Requirements. So maybe we can split it into two sub-sections and filled them accordingly. b) 4.1 Fast Zapping, 4.5 SLA Considerations, 4.6 Load Balancing, and 4.7 Bandwidth Consumption should all be moved into the Service Requirements section. If there is material there that belongs in later sections it can be extracted and moved. CJ: agreed. Jacni>: +1 c) Section 4 should be organized into three subsections: -- Group and Source Discovery Considerations -- Control Signalling and Multicast Tree Computation -- Content Distribution The benefit of doing this is that features common to the various use cases may emerge where they do not at present because grouping everything together makes every case seem to be unique. CJ: I agree with this taxonomy which is currently somewhat reflected by sections 4.2 to 4.4. Jacni>: Yes, we can reorganize the Section 4 and leave the functional requirements in it. d) Within these subsections, the implications of the different use cases should be explored. That probably means grabbing some of the content from Section 3. CJ: agreed. If I understand correctly, you're suggesting that the use cases section should be limited to a description of the use cases themselves, while the accompanying analysis (e.g. tables of figures 3 and 4) should be moved to the above Section 4 as an elaboration of the different subsections - correct? If so, I support this approach. Jacni>: I revised the Use Cases a little, based the discussion during the meeting. Please check the slides attached. I can convert it xml format later. Cheers, Jacni Fellow co-authors, in light of the above comments, I'd like to suggest we revisit the draft organization accordingly, targeting the first half of May for the publication of the updated version - please advise. In the meantime, I also invite Tom (and others) to detail their comments. Cheers, Christian. --Boundary_(ID_KbEY8/gohj4ZEOWGH+qasQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Hi Jacni,

Thanks. That was just double check.

 

 

 

Best Regards,

Tina TSOU

http://tinatsou.weebly.com/contact.html

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From: Jacni Qin [mailto:jacniq@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 8:52 AM
To: Tina Tsou
Cc: christian.jacquenet@orange-ftgroup.com; Tom Taylor; Lee, Yiu; BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/NAD/TIP; multrans@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Proposed organization of requirements document

 

Re-,

On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 1:19 AM, Tina Tsou <tena@huawei.com> wrote:

Hi Jacni et al,

Would dual stack and IPv6 only case be covered?


Jacni>: I guess these have been mentioned in the current text, the problems of dual stack model for mcast and, IPv6 only cases are covered in "Mono-Stack" section. Sorry, what's your point? You propose to remove it?


Cheers,
Jacni
 

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We keep our promises with one another – no matter what!

 

Best Regards,

Tina TSOU

h /contact.html

 

From: Jacni Qin [mailto:jacniq@gmail.com]

Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 9:37 AM

To: christian.jacquenet@orange-ftgroup.com
Cc: Tina Tsou; Tom Taylor; Lee, Yiu; BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/NAD/TIP; multrans@ietf.org


Subject:< /b> Re: requirements document

 

Dear all,

Please see inline below,

On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 4:04 PM, <christian.jacquenet@orange-ftgroup.com> wrote:

Dear all,

Apologies for the late reply. Thanks to Tom for his comments. A couple of preliminary responses from my side in the text below.

[snip]


I'll mention that I have many purely editorial comments at the micro level (e.g., better ways to say some things in Engli yms and abbreviations on first use). Christian, you can advise me on the form in which you want to see this: as an XML file, by marked-up text, or whatever.

CJ: marked-up text is fine.


My primary concern is that the current organization lacks focus because it considers the delivery infrastructures without separating the concerns posed by source and group address acquisition, interworking and forwarding of control messages, and distribution of content. In addition, requirements seem to be scattered through the document rather than grouped in one place.

Just looking at the table of contents, I have these proposals:

a) Instead of 2. Discussion, you should have 2. Service Requirements.
This is the part the operator owns.

CJ: Section 2 is meant to introduce the problem. I would keep it as is (possibly revisiting some of the text). As for the service requirements, I agree with you that we need to be as explicit as possible and group all these requirements into a dedicated section. My feeling is that the logic of (1) introducing the issue, (2) further elaborating on the issue by means of various use cases and then (3) deriving requirements accordingly makes sense, and I would suggest we keep this organization in mind.


Jacni>: There is a slight difference between the Problem and the Service Requirements. So maybe we can split it into two sub-sections and filled them accordingly.


b) 4.1 Fast Zapping, 4.5 SLA Considerations, 4.6 Load Balancing, and 4.7 Bandwidth Consumption should all be moved into the Service Requirements section. If there is material there that belongs in later sections it can be extracted and moved.

CJ: agreed.


Jacni>: +1
 


c) Section 4 should be organized into three subsections:
   -- Group and Source Discovery Considerations
   -- Control Signalling and Multicast Tree Computation
   -- Content Distr ibution< his is that features common to the various use cases may emerge where they do not at present because grouping everything together makes every case seem to be unique.

CJ: I agree with this taxonomy which is currently somewhat reflected by sections 4.2 to 4.4.


Jacni>: Yes, we can reorganize the Section 4 and leave the functional requirements in it.
 


d) Within these subsections, the implications of the different use cases should be explored. That probably means grabbing some of the content from Sectio n 3.CJ: agreed. If I understand correctly, you're suggesting that the use cases section should be limited to a description of the use cases themselves, while the accompanying analysis (e.g. tables of figures 3 and 4) should be moved to the above Section 4 as an elaboration of the different subsections - correct? If so, I support this approach.


 Jacni>: I revised the Use Cases a little, based the discussion during the meeting. Please check the slides attached. I can convert it xml format later.


Cheers,
Jacni


Fellow co-authors, in l ight of ike to suggest we revisit the draft organization accordingly, targeting the first half of May for the publication of the updated version - please advise.

In the meantime, I also invite Tom (and others) to detail their comments.

Cheers,

Christian.

 

 

 

--Boundary_(ID_KbEY8/gohj4ZEOWGH+qasQ)-- From tom111.taylor@bell.net Wed Apr 20 20:31:46 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multrans@ietfc.amsl.com Delivered-To: multrans@ietfc.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EC2CE0834 for ; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 20:31:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.373 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.373 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.423, BAYES_00=-2.599, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.803, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([208.66.40.236]) by localhost (ietfc.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sYD4vgUTpeQN for ; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 20:31:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blu0-omc4-s34.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s34.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.173]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94EF5E0833 for ; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 20:31:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BLU0-SMTP18 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s34.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 20 Apr 2011 20:31:45 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [64.231.151.226] X-Originating-Email: [tom111.taylor@bell.net] Message-ID: Received: from [192.168.2.17] ([64.231.151.226]) by BLU0-SMTP18.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 20 Apr 2011 20:31:44 -0700 Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 23:31:44 -0400 From: Tom Taylor User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 'BOUCADAIR Mohamed NCPI/NAD/TIP' , multrans@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Apr 2011 03:31:45.0022 (UTC) FILETIME=[A36DC1E0:01CBFFD4] Subject: [multrans] Architecture as part of the analysis in section 4 of the Problem Statement X-BeenThere: multrans@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss the work of IPv4-IPv6 multicast." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 03:31:46 -0000 Could I suggest that we present a basic architecture for each of the three functions (acquisition, control signalling, distribution) in our analysis. For instance (to use an example I'm not really sure of, so I'll be happy to be corrected), address acquisition begins with the receiver and the channel list server, I think. The receiver uses some sort of signalling to the channel list server to acquire the pair for the desired channel. First thing we have to do is identify the functions along the way that carry the request from the receiver to the channel list server. Next problem: does the supplied by the channel list server match the IP version supported by the receiver? If so, no problem. If not, some function has to translate the addresses. Where should that function be located, and where does it get the new addresses from? This gets nuanced by whether the access network is running the same IP version as the receiver. If it is, the original version has to be recovered somewhere in the middle of the path in the control signalling stage. How is that going to happen? Lots of fruitful lines of enquiry there, all shaped about a basic architecture that starts with two entities and ends up needing more. One thing the present version of the Problem Statement is missing is what could be a mapping/translation function (in some possible solutions) or a coordination function (e.g. the one used in Dr. Xu's draft for directing ASM traffic through the transit network) in other possible solutions. Perhaps you assumed it was part of the interworking functions that have been identified, but you really need it for address acquisition and content distribution too. If you want me to send detailed text to show what I'm talking about, let me know. Tom Taylor From tena@huawei.com Fri Apr 29 15:58:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multrans@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: multrans@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A52A8E06AD; Fri, 29 Apr 2011 15:58:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BBJ6Az+juLRu; Fri, 29 Apr 2011 15:58:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usaga04-in.huawei.com (usaga04-in.huawei.com [206.16.17.180]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AE63E0698; Fri, 29 Apr 2011 15:58:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (usaga04-in [172.18.4.101]) by usaga04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LKF00MWCRSXB4@usaga04-in.huawei.com>; Fri, 29 Apr 2011 17:58:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from TingZousc1 ([10.193.34.188]) by usaga04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0LKF009NURSUYC@usaga04-in.huawei.com>; Fri, 29 Apr 2011 17:58:09 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 15:58:10 -0700 From: Tina Tsou To: multrans@ietf.org Message-id: <009401cc06c0$eaa919e0$bffb4da0$@com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en-us Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcwGwOluKJ5ympwvR4KrSLJ5rPlZEA== Cc: 'MBONED WG' , pim@ietf.org Subject: [multrans] Comments on Dual Stack case X-BeenThere: multrans@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss the work of IPv4-IPv6 multicast." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 22:58:10 -0000 Hi all, Just bring some comments on the dual stack case for the new problem statement I-D based on https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jaclee-behave-v4v6-mcast-ps/. And I also suggest the new problem statement I-D being draft-jaclee-multrans-v4v6-mcast-ps, since it is not ONLY behave any more. I cc pim@ietf.org and mboned@ietf.org looking for multicast expertise to help on input to this new problem statement. Comments on Dual Stack case are below, inspired by talk with Stig. 1. Even in the native dual stack case, you want to save bandwidth, not put two copy of bandwidth under one source. 2. For P2MP case, the receivers are part of IPv4, part of IPv6, this is problem. 3. For video conference, you have 30 people, 15 are v4, 15 are v6, and any of them can send their videos (everyone has a webcam and microphone). We keep our promises with one another - no matter what! Best Regards, Tina TSOU http://tinatsou.weebly.com/contact.html