From nobody Fri Nov 1 07:11:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D30D7120121 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 02:42:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dT1ATOaZcFPn for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 02:42:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A77AE12010F for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 02:42:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 844E4F40722; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 02:42:16 -0700 (PDT) To: mbj@tail-f.com, j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de, ibagdona@gmail.com, warren@kumari.net, joelja@bogus.com, kent+ietf@watsen.net, lberger@labn.net X-PHP-Originating-Script: 30:errata_mail_lib.php From: RFC Errata System Cc: mbj@tail-f.com, netmod@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Message-Id: <20191029094216.844E4F40722@rfc-editor.org> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 02:42:16 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 07:11:33 -0700 Subject: [netmod] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC7407 (5886) X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 09:42:24 -0000 The following errata report has been submitted for RFC7407, "A YANG Data Model for SNMP Configuration". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5886 -------------------------------------- Type: Technical Reported by: Martin Björklund Section: 4.1 Original Text ------------- leaf fingerprint { type x509c2n:tls-fingerprint; mandatory true; description "Specifies a value with which the fingerprint of the full certificate presented by the peer is compared. If the fingerprint of the full certificate presented by the peer does not match the fingerprint configured, then the entry is skipped, and the search for a match continues."; Corrected Text -------------- leaf fingerprint { type x509c2n:tls-fingerprint; mandatory true; description "Specifies a value with which the certificate presented by the peer is compared, according to the algorithm defined in the description of the list node 'cert-to-name'."; Notes ----- The quoted text is not consistent with the algorithm described in the list 'cert-to-name'. Better to simply refer to the cert-to-name description. The algorithm described in 'cert-to-name' works in the same way as described in the referenced RFC 6353, which makes it clear that this is the intended behaviour. Instructions: ------------- This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. -------------------------------------- RFC7407 (draft-ietf-netmod-snmp-cfg-08) -------------------------------------- Title : A YANG Data Model for SNMP Configuration Publication Date : December 2014 Author(s) : M. Bjorklund, J. 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The WGLC ends on Nov 15 (two days = before the NETMOD 106 session). Please send your comments to the = working group mailing list. Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and believe it is = ready for publication", are welcome! This is useful and important, even = from authors. Objections, concerns, and suggestions are also welcomed = at this time. Thank you, NETMOD Chairs > On Nov 1, 2019, at 1:59 AM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. > This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. >=20 > Title : Factory Default Setting > Authors : Qin Wu > Balazs Lengyel > Ye Niu > Filename : draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05.txt > Pages : 11 > Date : 2019-10-31 >=20 > Abstract: > This document defines a method to reset a server to its factory- > default content. The reset operation may be used e.g. during = initial > zero-touch configuration or when the existing configuration has = major > errors, so re-starting the configuration process from scratch is the > best option. >=20 > A new factory-reset RPC is defined. Several methods of documenting > the factory-default content are specified. >=20 > Optionally a new "factory-default" read-only datastore is defined, > that contains the data that will be copied over to the running > datastore at reset. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default/ >=20 > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05 > = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05= >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05= >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod --Apple-Mail=_132D6679-A910-44F1-8170-7B4BC271C016 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

This begins a two-week Working Group Last Call (WGLC) on = draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05.  The WGLC ends on Nov 15 (two = days before the NETMOD 106 session).  Please send your comments to = the working group mailing list.

Positive comments, e.g., = "I've reviewed this document and believe it is ready for publication", = are welcome!  This is useful and important, even from authors. =  Objections, concerns, and suggestions are also welcomed at this = time.

Thank you,
NETMOD Chairs




On Nov 1, 2019, at 1:59 AM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:


A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line = Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of = the Network Modeling WG of the IETF.

=        Title =           : Factory = Default Setting
=        Authors =         : Qin Wu
=             &n= bsp;           &nbs= p;Balazs Lengyel
=             &n= bsp;           &nbs= p;Ye Niu
Filename =        : = draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05.txt
Pages =           : 11
= Date =            : = 2019-10-31

Abstract:
=   This document defines a method to reset a server to its = factory-
  default content.  The reset = operation may be used e.g. during initial
=   zero-touch configuration or when the existing configuration = has major
  errors, so re-starting the = configuration process from scratch is the
=   best option.

  A new = factory-reset RPC is defined.  Several methods of documenting
  the factory-default content are specified.

  Optionally a new = "factory-default" read-only datastore is defined,
=   that contains the data that will be copied over to the = running
  datastore at reset.


The IETF datatracker status page for this = draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-factory-defa= ult/

There are also htmlized versions = available at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-0= 5
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-factory= -default-05

A diff from the previous = version is available at:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-netmod-factory-d= efault-05


Please note that = it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission
until the htmlized version and diff are available at = tools.ietf.org.

Internet-Drafts are also = available by anonymous FTP at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/

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= --Apple-Mail=_132D6679-A910-44F1-8170-7B4BC271C016-- From nobody Fri Nov 1 08:24:01 2019 Return-Path: <0100016e2790da71-c002c2ae-c799-4052-8964-f2456bb73e46-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E87A12010C; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 08:23:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mJ0N4TjP-Us3; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 08:23:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a8-33.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a8-33.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.8.33]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1D67E1200B8; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 08:23:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=6gbrjpgwjskckoa6a5zn6fwqkn67xbtw; d=amazonses.com; t=1572621835; h=From:Message-Id:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:References:Feedback-ID; bh=u0ayVGbocF1390bNSq77UvFJL78mnAiTzdFXFVhOjPo=; b=DSIV67Tje8h7zMmFLHyegSIbtj6XwBq2j2HNqGuL47MWml7dYEU6GZrBQSv1f0yT w1RQGRj/s8ZVwh2aF2C03zeMI4ZTyO/QK+Ua5PwHKNm+0xi5gdv5sDsaKldk6YD2HU+ vMungbEW1Ip9vylJ7xDdEaQNuVJr7uTJIiEJUL1E= From: Kent Watsen Message-ID: <0100016e2790da71-c002c2ae-c799-4052-8964-f2456bb73e46-000000@email.amazonses.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_D18E2516-C64B-4CB6-803A-B219D878A1EB" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 15:23:54 +0000 In-Reply-To: <0100016e278f0bb9-897e5aa9-0a49-4bf9-ae2d-9b3372a38695-000000@email.amazonses.com> Cc: draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default@ietf.org To: "netmod@ietf.org" References: <157258797979.30380.14870732293250173185@ietfa.amsl.com> <0100016e278f0bb9-897e5aa9-0a49-4bf9-ae2d-9b3372a38695-000000@email.amazonses.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2019.11.01-54.240.8.33 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05.txt X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 15:23:58 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_D18E2516-C64B-4CB6-803A-B219D878A1EB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have reviewed -05 and support it so long as the following comments are = considered: Kent // contributor =3D=3D=3D=3D review =3D=3D=3D=3D Section 1 is missing a NMDA-compliance statement, per https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8407#section-3.5. Section 2 says: Factory-default content SHALL be specified by one of the following means in descending order of precedence 1. For the , and datastores as the content of the datastore, if it exists; The (1) sentence doesn't flow from the sentence before. Maybe you mean something like: 1. Network management protocol (e.g., NETCONF, RESTCONF) operations may be used to access the contents of = . Section 2 says: For the server supporting zero touch bootstrapping mechanisms, the factory default configuration causes the bootstrapping process to execute,e.g.,the server might reset configuration to device's factory default configuration,for the version of operating system software it is running. s/the server might reset /the server resets / Section 2 says: In addition,the "factory-reset" RPC might also be used to trigger some other restoring and resetting tasks such as files cleanup, restarting the node or some of the software processes, setting some security data/passwords to the default value, removing logs, or removing any temporary data (from datastore or elsewhere), etc. s/the "factory-reset" RPC might /the "factory-reset" RPC MAY / ??? Section 3 says: this document introduces a new datastore resource named 'Factory-Default' ... 'Factory-Default' should not be capitalized. Section 3 says: The contents of the datastore can be read using NETCONF,=20 RESTCONF and operations. Which doesn't make sense. Perhaps: The contents of the datastore can be read using NETCONF=20 and operations, and the RESTCONF protocol equivalents. Section 3 says: The operation can be used to copy the factory default content to a set of read-write configuration datastores and then the content of these datastores is propagated automatically to any other read only datastores, e.g., and . This is confusing. I think what you want to say is The operation copies the factory default content to and, if present, . Section 4 says: import ietf-netconf { prefix nc ; } import ietf-datastores { prefix ds; } These statements are missing "reference" statements. Section 4 says: description "The read-only datastore contains the configuration that will be copied into e.g., the running datastore by the factory-reset operation if the target is the running datastore."; which excludes and confusingly mentions a "target" when the RPC itself has no parameters. Perhaps: description "The read-only datastore contains the configuration that will be copied into and, if present, ."; Section 5. Please make the registrations have single-spaced lines. Section 6. The last paragraph doesn't make a point. Perhaps conclude with something like: "This module does not itself set "nacm:default-deny-write" on the=20 'factory-reset' RPC, leaving it to applications to configure the access control settings." Appendix B should have a note to the RFC Stream Editor to=20 remove it when the draft is published. Kent=20 > On Nov 1, 2019, at 11:21 AM, Kent Watsen wrote: >=20 >=20 > This begins a two-week Working Group Last Call (WGLC) on = draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05. The WGLC ends on Nov 15 (two days = before the NETMOD 106 session). Please send your comments to the = working group mailing list. >=20 > Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and believe it = is ready for publication", are welcome! This is useful and important, = even from authors. Objections, concerns, and suggestions are also = welcomed at this time. >=20 > Thank you, > NETMOD Chairs --Apple-Mail=_D18E2516-C64B-4CB6-803A-B219D878A1EB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

I have reviewed -05 and support it so = long as the following comments are considered:

Kent // contributor



=3D=3D=3D=3D review =3D=3D=3D=3D

Section 1 is missing a NMDA-compliance = statement, per
 https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8407#section-3.5.




Section 2 says:

  =  Factory-default content SHALL be specified by one of the = following
   means in descending order of = precedence

   1.  For the = <running>,<candidate> and <startup> datastores as = the
       content of the = <factory-default> datastore, if it exists;

The (1) sentence doesn't flow from the sentence before. =   Maybe you
mean something like:

   1.  Network management protocol (e.g., = NETCONF, RESTCONF)
        operations = may be used to access the contents  of <factory-default>.



Section 2 = says:

   For the server = supporting zero touch bootstrapping mechanisms, the
  =  factory default configuration causes the bootstrapping process = to
   execute,e.g.,the server might reset = configuration to device's factory
   default = configuration,for the version of operating system software it
   is running.

s/the = server might reset /the server resets /




Section 2 says:
   In addition,the "factory-reset" RPC might also = be used
   to trigger some other restoring and = resetting tasks such as files
   cleanup, = restarting the node or some of the software processes,
   setting some security data/passwords to the = default value, removing
   logs, or removing any = temporary data (from datastore or elsewhere),
  =  etc.

s/the "factory-reset" RPC might = /the "factory-reset" RPC MAY / ???



Section 3 says:

   this document introduces a new datastore = resource named
   'Factory-Default' ...

'Factory-Default' should not be = capitalized.



Section 3 says:

    = The contents of the datastore can be read using NETCONF, 
    RESTCONF <get-data> and = <get-config> operations.

Which = doesn't make sense.  Perhaps:

  =   The contents of the datastore can be read using NETCONF 
     <get-data> and <get-config> = operations, and the RESTCONF
    protocol = equivalents.




Section 3 says:

      The operation <factory-
      reset> can be used to copy the = factory default content to a set of
      = read-write configuration datastores and then the content of these
      datastores is propagated automatically = to any other read only
      datastores, = e.g., <intended> and <operational>.

This is confusing.  I think what you want to say is

      The operation = <factory-
      reset> copies the = factory default content to <running> and,
  =     if present, <startup>.




Section 4 = says:

  import ietf-netconf { prefix = nc ; }
  import ietf-datastores { prefix ds; }

These statements are missing "reference" = statements.



Section 4 says:

    = description "The read-only datastore contains the configuration that
      will be copied into e.g., the running = datastore by the
      factory-reset = operation if the target is the running
    =   datastore.";

which excludes = <startup> and confusingly mentions a "target" when
the= RPC itself has no parameters.  Perhaps:

    description "The read-only datastore contains = the configuration
    that  will be copied = into <running> and, if present, <startup>.";



Section 5.

Please make the registrations have = single-spaced lines.




Section 6.

The = last paragraph doesn't make a point.  Perhaps conclude with
something like:

  "This = module does not itself set "nacm:default-deny-write" on the 
   'factory-reset' RPC, leaving it to applications = to configure the
    access control = settings."




Appendix B should have a note to the RFC Stream Editor = to 
remove it when the draft is published.



Kent 






On Nov 1, 2019, at 11:21 AM, Kent Watsen = <kent+ietf@watsen.net> wrote:


This begins a two-week Working Group Last = Call (WGLC) on draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05.  The WGLC ends = on Nov 15 (two days before the NETMOD 106 session).  Please send = your comments to the working group mailing list.

Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed = this document and believe it is ready for publication", are welcome! =  This is useful and important, even from authors.  Objections, = concerns, and suggestions are also welcomed at this time.

Thank you,
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draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05.txt X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 22:42:21 -0000 --0000000000005bd3ef059650ad5f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi, I have read draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05 and have the following comments: * sec 2. Specifying factory-reset content This section uses SHALL (equivalent to MUST) to declare the implementation details for the server to load the factory-default content. This is not appropriate for a server implementation detail. What hard to the Internet is caused if the server has some other way to load the factory config? This section should be removed. point 1 is unclear what it means to derive the factory-config from the current config. point 2 specifies a file format but there is no way to specify the file. What is the value added here? Some servers can use an XML file (and will continue to do so, per point 3). Why would this document specify that a dynamic datastore SHALL be empty upon reset? This is an implementation detail or a standard detail for some future work. * Sec. 4: rpc factory-reset This RPC has no NACM protections. There should be a nacm:default-deny-all extension added to restrict access. The client invoking the RPC MUST have permission to write all the existing config that is being replaced with factory-reset contents. There is no mention of any operational disruption caused by setting the config to factory-reset contents. This will vary greatly depending on the implementation and current config. What if the config includes session and client config? This RPC can prevent any further management of the device. That seems worth mentioning in the security considerations. Overall the draft provides useful functionality so I support its publication. (BTW, my name is also misspelled in the draft) Andy On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 8:22 AM Kent Watsen wrote: > > This begins a two-week Working Group Last Call (WGLC) on > draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05. The WGLC ends on Nov 15 (two days > before the NETMOD 106 session). Please send your comments to the working > group mailing list. > > Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and believe it is > ready for publication", are welcome! This is useful and important, even > from authors. Objections, concerns, and suggestions are also welcomed at > this time. > > Thank you, > NETMOD Chairs > > > > > On Nov 1, 2019, at 1:59 AM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. > > Title : Factory Default Setting > Authors : Qin Wu > Balazs Lengyel > Ye Niu > Filename : draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05.txt > Pages : 11 > Date : 2019-10-31 > > Abstract: > This document defines a method to reset a server to its factory- > default content. The reset operation may be used e.g. during initial > zero-touch configuration or when the existing configuration has major > errors, so re-starting the configuration process from scratch is the > best option. > > A new factory-reset RPC is defined. Several methods of documenting > the factory-default content are specified. > > Optionally a new "factory-default" read-only datastore is defined, > that contains the data that will be copied over to the running > datastore at reset. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > --0000000000005bd3ef059650ad5f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

I have read draft-ietf-netmod-facto= ry-default-05 and have the following comments:

* s= ec 2. Specifying factory-reset content

This sectio= n uses SHALL (equivalent to MUST) to declare the implementation details for=
the server to load the factory-default content.=C2=A0 This is no= t appropriate for a server implementation detail.
What hard to th= e Internet is caused if the server has some other way to load the factory c= onfig?
This section should be removed.

p= oint 1 is unclear what it means to derive the factory-config from the curre= nt config.=C2=A0=C2=A0

point 2 specifies a file fo= rmat but there is no way to specify the file. What is the value added here?=
Some servers can use an XML file (and will continue to do so, pe= r point 3).

Why would this document specify that a= dynamic datastore SHALL be empty upon reset?
This is an implemen= tation detail or a standard detail for some future work.

* Sec. 4: rpc factory-reset

This RPC has no= NACM protections.
There should be a nacm:default-deny-all extens= ion added to restrict access.
The client invoking the RPC MUST ha= ve permission to write all the existing config
that is being repl= aced with factory-reset contents.

There is no ment= ion of any operational disruption caused by setting the config to factory-r= eset contents.
This will vary greatly depending on the implementa= tion and current config.=C2=A0=C2=A0

What if the c= onfig includes session and client config?
This RPC can prevent an= y further management of the device.
That seems worth=C2=A0mention= ing in the security considerations.

Overall the dr= aft provides useful functionality so I support its publication.
<= br>

(BTW, my name is also misspelled in the draft)=



Andy

=




On Fri, N= ov 1, 2019 at 8:22 AM Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@watsen.net> wrote:

This be= gins a two-week Working Group Last Call (WGLC) on draft-ietf-netmod-factory= -default-05.=C2=A0 The WGLC ends on Nov 15 (two days before the NETMOD 106 = session).=C2=A0 Please send your comments to the working group mailing list= .

Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and believe= it is ready for publication", are welcome!=C2=A0 This is useful and i= mportant, even from authors.=C2=A0 Objections, concerns, and suggestions ar= e also welcomed at this time.

Thank you,
NETMOD Chairs




On Nov 1, 2019, at 1:59 AM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wr= ote:


A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-l= ine Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Networ= k Modeling WG of the IETF.

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0Title =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0: Fact= ory Default Setting
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Authors = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0: Qin Wu
=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Balazs Lengy= el
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0Ye Niu
Filename = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0: draft-ietf-netmod-factory-defau= lt-05.txt
Pages =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0: 11
Date =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0: 2019-10-31

Abstract:
=C2=A0=C2=A0Th= is document defines a method to reset a server to its factory-
=C2=A0= =C2=A0default content.=C2=A0 The reset operation may be used e.g. during in= itial
=C2=A0=C2=A0zero-touch configuration or when the existing configu= ration has major
=C2=A0=C2=A0errors, so re-starting the configuration p= rocess from scratch is the
=C2=A0=C2=A0best option.

=C2=A0=C2= =A0A new factory-reset RPC is defined.=C2=A0 Several methods of documenting=
=C2=A0=C2=A0the factory-default content are specified.

=C2=A0= =C2=A0Optionally a new "factory-default" read-only datastore is d= efined,
=C2=A0=C2=A0that contains the data that will be copied over to = the running
=C2=A0=C2=A0datastore at reset.


The IETF datatra= cker status page for this draft is:
https://datat= racker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default/

There are= also htmlized versions available at:
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Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0100016df49997cc-581feda8-01ed-4980-b8bb-2ffd5d648df9-000000@email.amazonses.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 72.66.11.201 X-Source-L: No X-Exim-ID: 1iQuHB-003G6B-Oe X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: pool-72-66-11-201.washdc.fios.verizon.net (fs2.dc.labn.net) [72.66.11.201]:45740 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 2 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== X-Local-Domain: yes Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] NETMOD 106 Schedule and Call for Presentations X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 14:21:19 -0000 WG, Just a reminder that it is time to send in your agenda requests. Please do so by the end of Monday Nov 4th (any TZ). Thank you! Lou (Kent and Joel) As reminder -- requests should go to netmod-chairs@ietf.org and include - name of the drafts - name of presentation (usually the title of the draft) - name of the presenter(s) - desired time request (in minutes) - local or remote On 10/22/19 1:52 PM, Kent Watsen wrote: > There is a copy/paste error in the 3rd paragraph: > -s/netconf-chairs/netmod-chairs/ > > Please don't send NETMOD requests to the NETCONF chairs! ;) > > Kent // nervous chair > > >> On Oct 22, 2019, at 11:07 AM, Kent Watsen > > wrote: >> >> >> The preliminary IETF 106 meeting agenda has been posted [1]. >> - The final agenda will be posted this Friday at the same location. >> - NETMOD is currently scheduled to meet twice on Tuesday for a >> total of 3-1/2 hours. >> >> Authors, per [2], the draft submission cutoff is in about two weeks, >> on Monday Nov 4th. Please update your drafts before then. >> >> If you are interested in presenting to the WG, please send your >> presentation requests to the "netconf-chairs" alias (CC-ed) with >> the following information, for each presentation request, if more >> than one: >> >> - name of the drafts (if any) >> - name of presentation (usually the title of the draft) >> - name of the presenter(s) >> - desired time request (in minutes) >> - local or remote >> >> Presenters, please be advised that, due to issues with the Chromebook >> displaying PowerPoint, and issues with chairs converting presentations >> to PDF themselves, it is now strongly recommended that presenters only >> submit PDF versions of their slides. >> >> [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/106/agenda.html >> [2] https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/106/important-dates/ >> >> PS: Please respond to *this* thread (removing the "netconf" alias) >> so that it's easier for the chairs to track all the requests. >> >> Thanks! >> Kent (and Lou and Joel) >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > From nobody Sat Nov 2 07:24:36 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8AFD1200CE for ; 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Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gbk Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 72.66.11.201 X-Source-L: No X-Exim-ID: 1iQuKI-003HJp-28 X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: pool-72-66-11-201.washdc.fios.verizon.net (fs2.dc.labn.net) [72.66.11.201]:45744 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 5 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== X-Local-Domain: yes Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04.txt X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 14:24:35 -0000 Qin, Thanks for the update. To answer your question as well as respond to the related thread, as chair, I generally think it best to adopt once there is consensus in the WG on a direction to take with respect to the topic covered by a draft. That is not to say that a fully formed or documented solution is required at adoption but that if there are several different approaches available, that the adopted work reflects the direction that the WG will pursue. In this case, the current rev is certainly a step in that direction, but the WG still as two different basic approaches available to it in this draft and draft-bryskin-netconf-automation-yang. I personally always prefer it when individual draft authors can find common ground and come to the WG with a single (unified) proposal rather than ask the working group to choose one over the other. I'm not sure who among the authors will be in Singapore, but perhaps the authors can take the opportunity to meet to discuss the possibly of such a unified proposal as well report back to the working group on their progress/status. Time permitting, we should at least hear a summary of each approach so that if a unified approach is not proposed that the WG is better informed on the proposals. Cheers, Lou On 11/1/19 11:02 PM, Qin Wu wrote: > v-04 is posted to address chairs' comments, > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04 > the main changes include: > o Add text in introduction section to clarify the usage examples of > ECA policy > o Update objective section to align with use cases. > o Clarify the relationship between target and policy variable. > o Change variation trigger condition back into threshold trigger > condition and clarify the usage of three trigger conditions. > o Remove Event MIB related section. > o Add new coauthors and contributors. > Chairs, what is the next step? > > -Qin (on behalf of authors) > > -----ʼԭ----- > : I-D-Announce [mailto:i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org] internet-drafts@ietf.org > ʱ: 2019112 10:57 > ռ: i-d-announce@ietf.org > : I-D Action: draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04.txt > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > > > Title : A YANG Data model for ECA Policy Management > Authors : Michael Wang > Qin Wu > Chongfeng Xie > Igor Bryskin > Xufeng Liu > Alexander Clemm > Henk Birkholz > Tianran Zhou > Filename : draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04.txt > Pages : 32 > Date : 2019-11-01 > > Abstract: > RFC8328 defines a policy-based management framework that allow > definition of a data model to be used to represent high-level, > possibly network-wide policies. Policy discussed in RFC8328 are > classified into imperative policy and declarative policy, ECA policy > is an typical example of imperative policy. This document defines an > YANG data model for the ECA policy management. The ECA policy YANG > provides the ability for the network management function (within a > controller, an orchestrator, or a network element) to control the > configuration and monitor state change on the network element and > take simple and instant action when a trigger condition on the system > state is met. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > From nobody Sat Nov 2 15:48:14 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietf.org Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A42012003F; Sat, 2 Nov 2019 15:48:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suresh Krishnan via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding@ietf.org, Lou Berger , netmod-chairs@ietf.org, lberger@labn.net, netmod@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.108.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Suresh Krishnan Message-ID: <157273488635.6085.6265451726759540619.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 15:48:06 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] Suresh Krishnan's No Objection on draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding-10: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 22:48:07 -0000 Suresh Krishnan has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding-10: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I am happy with this progressing as an Informational document. 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Thanks Kent for valuable review= , see reply inline below.

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Kent Watsen [m= ailto:kent+ietf@watsen.net]
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4:<= /span> 2019=C4=EA11=D4=C21=C8=D5 23:24
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: netmod@ietf.org
=B3=AD=CB=CD: draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05.txt

 

 

= I have reviewed -05 and support it so long as the following comments are co= nsidered:

Kent // contributor



=3D=3D=3D=3D review =3D=3D=3D=3D

Section 1 is missing a NMDA-compliance statement, per
 https://t= ools.ietf.org/html/rfc8407#section-3.5.


[Qin]: Will add, thanks.

Section 2 says:

   Factory-default content SHALL be specified by one of the follo= wing
   means in descending order of precedence

   1.  For the <running>,<candidate> and <sta= rtup> datastores as the
       content of the <factory-default> datastore= , if it exists;

The (1) sentence doesn't flow from the sentence before.   Maybe you mean something like:

   1.  Network management protocol (e.g., NETCONF, RESTCONF)=
        operations may be used to access the contents &= nbsp;of <factory-default>.

[Qin]:it means Factory-default content may be specified by <factory-defa= ult>datastore, if it exists.

= I will make this clear in the text. Thanks.

Section 2 says:

   For the server supporting zero touch bootstrapping mechanisms,= the
   factory default configuration causes the bootstrapping process= to
   execute,e.g.,the server might reset configuration to device's = factory
   default configuration,for the version of operating system soft= ware it
   is running.

s/the server might reset /the server resets /

[Qin]:Accepted


Section 2 says:
   In addition,the "factory-reset" RPC might also be us= ed
   to trigger some other restoring and resetting tasks such as fi= les
   cleanup, restarting the node or some of the software processes= ,
   setting some security data/passwords to the default value, rem= oving
   logs, or removing any temporary data (from datastore or elsewh= ere),
   etc.

s/the "factory-reset" RPC might /the "factory-reset" RP= C MAY / ???

[Qin]:Fixed.

Section 3 says:

   this document introduces a new datastore resource named
   'Factory-Default' ...

'Factory-Default' should not be capitalized.

[Qin]:Okay.

Section 3 says:

    The contents of the datastore can be read using NETCONF, = ;
    RESTCONF <get-data> and <get-config> operations.<= br>
Which doesn't make sense.  Perhaps:

    The contents of the datastore can be read using NETCONF =
     <get-data> and <get-config> operations, and= the RESTCONF
    protocol equivalents.

[Qin]:Agree with your proposed change, thanks= .


Section 3 says:

      The operation <factory-
      reset> can be used to copy the factory default cont= ent to a set of
      read-write configuration datastores and then the conte= nt of these
      datastores is propagated automatically to any other re= ad only
      datastores, e.g., <intended> and <operational= >.

This is confusing.  I think what you want to say is

      The operation <factory-
      reset> copies the factory default content to <ru= nning> and,
      if present, <startup>.

[Qin]:Fixed as you suggested.


Section 4 says:

  import ietf-netconf { prefix nc ; }
  import ietf-datastores { prefix ds; }

These statements are missing "reference" statements.


[Qin]: I prefer to add a paragraph at the beg= inning of section 4 to discuss which references are used<= /span>

And which typedef is imported.

Section 4 says:

    description "The read-only datastore contains the config= uration that
      will be copied into e.g., the running datastore by the=
      factory-reset operation if the target is the running       datastore.";

which excludes <startup> and confusingly mentions a "target"= ; when
the RPC itself has no parameters.  Perhaps:

    description "The read-only datastore contains the config= uration
    that  will be copied into <running> and, if presen= t, <startup>.";

[Qin]:Good point, fixed.


Section 5.

Please make the registrations have single-spaced lines.

[Qin]:Okay.


Section 6.

The last paragraph doesn't make a point.  Perhaps conclude with
something like:

  "This module does not itself set "nacm:default-deny-write&= quot; on the 
   'factory-reset' RPC, leaving it to applications to configure t= he
    access control settings."

[Qin]:Based on Andy=A1=AFs proposal, we should add  "nacm:default= -deny-write" on the 
   'factory-reset' RPC, I will see how to tweak the text.

Appendix B should have a note to the RFC Stream Editor to 
remove it when the draft is published.

[Qin]:okay.

Kent 

 

 

 



On Nov 1, 2019, at 11:21 AM, Ke= nt Watsen <kent+ietf@wat= sen.net> wrote:

 



This begins a two-week Working Grou= p Last Call (WGLC) on draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05.  The WGLC = ends on Nov 15 (two days before the NETMOD 106 session).  Please send your comments to the working group mailing list.

Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and believe it i= s ready for publication", are welcome!  This is useful and import= ant, even from authors.  Objections, concerns, and suggestions are als= o welcomed at this time.

Thank you,
NETMOD Chairs

 

 

 

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This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. Title : Factory Default Setting Authors : Qin Wu Balazs Lengyel Ye Niu Filename : draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-06.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2019-11-03 Abstract: This document defines a method to reset a server to its factory- default content. The reset operation may be used e.g. during initial zero-touch configuration or when the existing configuration has major errors, so re-starting the configuration process from scratch is the best option. A new factory-reset RPC is defined. Several methods of documenting the factory-default content are specified. Optionally a new "factory-default" read-only datastore is defined, that contains the data that will be copied over to the running datastore at reset. 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Does this work for you? /js On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 03:17:25PM +0100, Robert Wilton wrote: > Hi Juergen, >=20 > Should the "node-instance-identify" type specify how the path "/" is > treated? >=20 > I noted that in rfc8341, the behavior for "/" is described in the leaf > "path" description rather than in the type definition, but I was thinking > that it might be better if this behaviour was specified as part of the > typedef. >=20 > Snippet from RFC8341: >=20 > case data-node { > leaf path { > type node-instance-identifier; > mandatory true; > description > "Data node instance-identifier associated with the > data node, action, or notification controlled by > this rule. >=20 > Configuration data or state data > instance-identifiers start with a top-level > data node. A complete instance-identifier is > required for this type of path value. >=20 > The special value '/' refers to all possible > datastore contents."; > } > } >=20 > Thanks, > Rob >=20 --=20 Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Mon Nov 4 02:34:29 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4C361200B1; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 02:34:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com header.b=QykyyyqR; 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Thanks, Rob -----Original Message----- From: Sch=F6nw=E4lder, J=FCrgen =20 Sent: 04 November 2019 10:33 To: Rob Wilton (rwilton) Cc: draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6991-bis@ietf.org; netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6991-bis: Comment on node-instance-identi= fier Hi, this may be resolved by adding The special value '/' refers to the entire accessible tree. to the description statement. Does this work for you? /js On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 03:17:25PM +0100, Robert Wilton wrote: > Hi Juergen, >=20 > Should the "node-instance-identify" type specify how the path "/" is=20 > treated? >=20 > I noted that in rfc8341, the behavior for "/" is described in the leaf=20 > "path" description rather than in the type definition, but I was=20 > thinking that it might be better if this behaviour was specified as=20 > part of the typedef. >=20 > Snippet from RFC8341: >=20 > case data-node { > leaf path { > type node-instance-identifier; > mandatory true; > description > "Data node instance-identifier associated with the > data node, action, or notification controlled by > this rule. >=20 > Configuration data or state data > instance-identifiers start with a top-level > data node. A complete instance-identifier is > required for this type of path value. >=20 > The special value '/' refers to all possible > datastore contents."; > } > } >=20 > Thanks, > Rob >=20 --=20 Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Mon Nov 4 04:19:58 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9BCD120058; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 04:19:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dkmjKHvlozBx; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 04:19:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout.easydns.com (mailout.easydns.com [64.68.202.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3FA71120019; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 04:19:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailout.easydns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66C68C1429; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 12:19:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailout.easydns.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (emo12-pco.easydns.vpn [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tKo9-JO8gmv6; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 12:19:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hedeland.org (81-228-157-209-no289.tbcn.telia.com [81.228.157.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailout.easydns.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F1218C13E3; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 12:19:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pluto.hedeland.org (pluto.hedeland.org [10.1.1.5]) by tellus.hedeland.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id xA4CJlu6030740 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 4 Nov 2019 13:19:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from per@hedeland.org) To: =?UTF-8?B?U2Now7Zud8OkbGRlciwgSsO8cmdlbg==?= , Robert Wilton Cc: "netmod@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6991-bis@ietf.org" References: <9878ec54-4b3b-e83c-a60c-973478de11f4@cisco.com> <20191104103242.prnszis5olcfzcyl@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> From: Per Hedeland Message-ID: <14e342e5-cd63-898b-4b77-0537b4d3c3b4@hedeland.org> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 13:19:47 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20191104103242.prnszis5olcfzcyl@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6991-bis: Comment on node-instance-identifier X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 12:19:57 -0000 On 2019-11-04 11:32, Schnwlder, Jrgen wrote: > Hi, > > this may be resolved by adding > > The special value '/' refers to the entire accessible tree. > > to the description statement. Does this work for you? Hm, it seems to me that this would conflict with this part of the description: A node-instance-identifier value is an unrestricted YANG instance-identifier expression. All the same rules as an instance-identifier apply, except that predicates for keys are optional. If a key predicate is missing, then the node-instance-identifier represents all possible server instances for that key. - since '/' is not a valid value for a YANG instance-identifier. I.e. if '/' should be included in the typedef (seems reasonable to me), the text for it probably needs to be "incorporated" in the text above. --Per > /js > > On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 03:17:25PM +0100, Robert Wilton wrote: >> Hi Juergen, >> >> Should the "node-instance-identify" type specify how the path "/" is >> treated? >> >> I noted that in rfc8341, the behavior for "/" is described in the leaf >> "path" description rather than in the type definition, but I was thinking >> that it might be better if this behaviour was specified as part of the >> typedef. >> >> Snippet from RFC8341: >> >> case data-node { >> leaf path { >> type node-instance-identifier; >> mandatory true; >> description >> "Data node instance-identifier associated with the >> data node, action, or notification controlled by >> this rule. >> >> Configuration data or state data >> instance-identifiers start with a top-level >> data node. A complete instance-identifier is >> required for this type of path value. >> >> The special value '/' refers to all possible >> datastore contents."; >> } >> } >> >> Thanks, >> Rob >> > From nobody Mon Nov 4 05:46:52 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3228B1200E7; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 05:46:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=jacobsuniversity.onmicrosoft.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bZ-CUhYo4jyO; 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DIR:OUT; SFP:1101; SCL:1; SRVR:AM5P190MB0306; H:AM5P190MB0482.EURP190.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM; FPR:; SPF:None; LANG:en; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: jacobs-university.de does not designate permitted sender hosts) x-ms-exchange-senderadcheck: 1 x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: CT0vK4QCrmZvI2MDtT7psIFyn9SOg0w4aN98CF1viAqvaXc3HVuHldDZLxaGg4QGDnLb7fP1o3KFms8Xv5KGmrnoW66waJPG4Ai5bgsa7Q8W3t7kur9TmQR898y/4ldTMjFemm0ThEExNPUkWXxrpILbdWSVJV05vA/d6poXQaR+5Nak2jnOkGacBRgRTnTa3Xb1EJURAvsvVR5unCdUl+F2yxOaVB0k5dkBfp3dDRaisrQ7fq+SCFWaRkOFbnBiQ4/CKMq0shSb4Kzxyzn8X/w/UTuWbOAaZLrdx+7mrt+vZ0nALZZWgagwXjOF8ftg8Nanl60DzBX+LuXqHU2saE+0GIUorpqZYXyi5RU2Jgsx/suyoEONuqrIHhb08SF2gCQZU4BmhYpbJic4TwL6ivifHQLL5YU+xjm/7OeIm43UdPNz0ggbCwtLVyScr6Xw9G1aZjrHIlpdic1UVQuywRpaBD8LN6p0do58j5IWMeM= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: <39C4D50A4FEF6048A3B60EC1F68BA2A8@EURP190.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: jacobs-university.de X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: e67dc827-5566-4260-0858-08d7612d6eca X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 04 Nov 2019 13:46:45.7630 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: f78e973e-5c0b-4ab8-bbd7-9887c95a8ebd X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: vaZaSGSCAJXX4Tz5LltgSICMgFAcJxeH2VPV6RvQzpIlwzfU+/fYRbn/55pdmAQ6YSJ9Y8qDc+fWs10V+H13PlKpECLP41AYRmvmye/C91A= X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: AM5P190MB0306 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6991-bis: Comment on node-instance-identifier X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 13:46:51 -0000 Hi, what about this wording : [...] A node-instance-identifier value is an unrestricted YANG instance-identifier expression or the special value '/', which refers to the entire accessible tree. [...] /js On Mon, Nov 04, 2019 at 01:19:47PM +0100, Per Hedeland wrote: > On 2019-11-04 11:32, Sch=F6nw=E4lder, J=FCrgen wrote: > > Hi, > >=20 > > this may be resolved by adding > >=20 > > The special value '/' refers to the entire accessible tree. > >=20 > > to the description statement. Does this work for you? >=20 > Hm, it seems to me that this would conflict with this part of the > description: >=20 > A node-instance-identifier value is an > unrestricted YANG instance-identifier expression. >=20 > All the same rules as an instance-identifier apply, > except that predicates for keys are optional. If a key > predicate is missing, then the node-instance-identifier > represents all possible server instances for that key. >=20 > - since '/' is not a valid value for a YANG instance-identifier. > I.e. if '/' should be included in the typedef (seems reasonable to > me), the text for it probably needs to be "incorporated" in the text > above. >=20 > --Per >=20 > > /js > >=20 > > On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 03:17:25PM +0100, Robert Wilton wrote: > > > Hi Juergen, > > >=20 > > > Should the "node-instance-identify" type specify how the path "/" is > > > treated? > > >=20 > > > I noted that in rfc8341, the behavior for "/" is described in the lea= f > > > "path" description rather than in the type definition, but I was thin= king > > > that it might be better if this behaviour was specified as part of th= e > > > typedef. > > >=20 > > > Snippet from RFC8341: > > >=20 > > > case data-node { > > > leaf path { > > > type node-instance-identifier; > > > mandatory true; > > > description > > > "Data node instance-identifier associated with th= e > > > data node, action, or notification controlled by > > > this rule. > > >=20 > > > Configuration data or state data > > > instance-identifiers start with a top-level > > > data node. A complete instance-identifier is > > > required for this type of path value. > > >=20 > > > The special value '/' refers to all possible > > > datastore contents."; > > > } > > > } > > >=20 > > > Thanks, > > > Rob > > >=20 > >=20 >=20 --=20 Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Mon Nov 4 06:41:12 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietf.org Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55BDD1200F1; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 06:41:05 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: netmod@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.108.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: netmod@ietf.org Message-ID: <157287846530.16545.17224588792176533012@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 06:41:05 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6991-bis-02.txt X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 14:41:05 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. Title : Common YANG Data Types Author : Juergen Schoenwaelder Filename : draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6991-bis-02.txt Pages : 48 Date : 2019-11-04 Abstract: This document introduces a collection of common data types to be used with the YANG data modeling language. This document obsoletes RFC 6991. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6991-bis/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6991-bis-02 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6991-bis-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6991-bis-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Nov 4 06:52:33 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22952120808; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 06:52:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XI_j7WlULLw2; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 06:52:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout.easydns.com (mailout.easydns.com [64.68.202.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E0C21200F4; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 06:52:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailout.easydns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68EC1A068D; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 14:52:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailout.easydns.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (emo13-pco.easydns.vpn [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oKHmE8ms4d3r; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 14:52:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hedeland.org (81-228-157-209-no289.tbcn.telia.com [81.228.157.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailout.easydns.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 19ED5A0224; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 14:52:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pluto.hedeland.org (pluto.hedeland.org [10.1.1.5]) by tellus.hedeland.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id xA4EqKbO031536 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 4 Nov 2019 15:52:21 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from per@hedeland.org) To: =?UTF-8?B?U2Now7Zud8OkbGRlciwgSsO8cmdlbg==?= Cc: Robert Wilton , "netmod@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6991-bis@ietf.org" References: <9878ec54-4b3b-e83c-a60c-973478de11f4@cisco.com> <20191104103242.prnszis5olcfzcyl@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> <14e342e5-cd63-898b-4b77-0537b4d3c3b4@hedeland.org> <20191104134644.za3eng4nflbfk2mi@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> From: Per Hedeland Message-ID: <35905ef0-6b16-07cd-1586-204ad6749b9c@hedeland.org> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 15:52:20 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20191104134644.za3eng4nflbfk2mi@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6991-bis: Comment on node-instance-identifier X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 14:52:32 -0000 On 2019-11-04 14:46, Schnwlder, Jrgen wrote: > Hi, > > what about this wording : > > [...] > > A node-instance-identifier value is an unrestricted > YANG instance-identifier expression or the special > value '/', which refers to the entire accessible tree. > > [...] Yes, that should be "good enough" I think. Though when reading the text from NACM for the umpteenth time, I got hung up on the word "unrestricted" - doesn't that mean "require-instance true"? From 7950: 9.13.1. Restrictions An instance-identifier can be restricted with the "require-instance" statement (Section 9.9.3). 9.9.3. The "require-instance" Statement The "require-instance" statement, which is a substatement to the "type" statement, MAY be present if the type is "instance-identifier" or "leafref". It takes as an argument the string "true" or "false". If this statement is not present, it defaults to "true". Probably not worth worrying about... --Per From nobody Mon Nov 4 10:01:43 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietf.org Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62EFF120C2A; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 10:01:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: netmod@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.108.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: netmod@ietf.org Message-ID: <157289049734.16637.9241804121108294733@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 10:01:37 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding-11.txt X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 18:01:41 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. Title : Handling Long Lines in Inclusions in Internet-Drafts and RFCs Authors : Kent Watsen Erik Auerswald Adrian Farrel Qin Wu Filename : draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding-11.txt Pages : 30 Date : 2019-11-04 Abstract: This document defines two strategies for handling long lines in width-bounded text content. One strategy is based on the historical use of a single backslash ('\') character to indicate where line- folding has occurred, with the continuation occurring with the first non-space (' ') character on the next line. The second strategy extends the first strategy by adding a second backslash character to identify where the continuation begins and is thereby able to handle cases not supported by the first strategy. Both strategies use a self-describing header enabling automated reconstitution of the original content. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding-11 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding-11 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding-11 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Nov 4 10:19:13 2019 Return-Path: <0100016e37a43881-098ba24f-351a-472e-b022-cd175db267c9-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09A8612004A; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 10:19:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Hrt8MnlW05cv; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 10:19:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from a8-33.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a8-33.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.8.33]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E38BC120115; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 10:19:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=6gbrjpgwjskckoa6a5zn6fwqkn67xbtw; d=amazonses.com; t=1572891539; h=From:Message-Id:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:References:Feedback-ID; bh=sIQtT+Ay9GQJg9kesUCNDlBXNYPZT+4icJteaMQHzrE=; b=h+FKtagvL6VUqK0xgNAm2O+fgmpU6ZO+gecEvw5vCMq8X3g53V4kDPowprJjmQZW zVlRB2f7inckVlj7wwBAclRfnnewjOHLQ9kbW/whaOzsieZfV/ruNX7fYgfBTlpESEc CDIyi42+itlkD+fOpNGLqPR5JEP11oxE72mj5kvg= From: Kent Watsen Message-ID: <0100016e37a43881-098ba24f-351a-472e-b022-cd175db267c9-000000@email.amazonses.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_E2533340-FBC4-4B80-9997-0C832E64730E" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 18:18:59 +0000 In-Reply-To: <20190911000337.GQ18198@kduck.mit.edu> Cc: The IESG , "netmod-chairs@ietf.org" , draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding@ietf.org, "netmod@ietf.org" , Erik Auerswald To: Benjamin Kaduk References: <156766366671.22774.7481795788724573201.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <0100016d0372debf-16e6e132-b334-41b3-ad9c-953fd9314963-000000@email.amazonses.com> <20190911000337.GQ18198@kduck.mit.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2019.11.04-54.240.8.33 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding-09: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 18:19:06 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_E2533340-FBC4-4B80-9997-0C832E64730E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Ben, I sent you a private email before indicating that changes to the = `rfcfold` script addressing your concerns were in progress. I'm happy = to announce that an update has just been posted containing these changes = (much thanks to my co-author, Erik, CC-ed). =20 Please see below as well. Thanks, Kent // co-author >>> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> DISCUSS: >>> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>=20 >>> I think the procedures described herein are incomplete without a = footer >>> to terminate the un-folding process. Otherwise, it seems that the >>> described algorithms would leave the two-line header for the second = and >>> subsequent instances of folded text in a single document. (If we = tried >>> to just blindly remove all instances of the header without seeking >>> boundaries, then we would misreconstruct content when different = folding >>> algorithms are used in the same document with the single-backslash >>> algorithm occurring first.) >>=20 >> Are you referring to when an RFC contains multiple inclusions and one = is >> trying to unfold them all at once? That's not the intention here, = as >=20 > Yes, that was what I was thinking; sorry for missing or = misinterpreting the > notes in Sections 7.2/8.2. This issue is resolved. >> noted in paragraph 3 in both sections 7.2 and 8.2. FWIW, this sounds >> like the framing problem that the WG discussed with the conclusion = that >> extracting from plain-text is dead, now that XML is the required >> submission format, and XML provides a superior framing mechanism than = any >> footer we could add. >>=20 >> BTW, yes, each text inclusion in a single RFC may independently be = folded >> using either the '\' or '\\' strategy, with the recommendation that = '\' >> always be tried first and '\\' only used when '\' fails. >>=20 >> If referring to a single text content instance, could you provide an >> example illustrating the concern? >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> I don't think it's proper to refer to a script that requires bash >>> specifically as a "POSIX shell script". I did not attmept to check >>> whether any bash-specific features are used or this requirements = stems >>> solely from the shebang line, though. >>=20 >> I just changed "POSIX" to "Bash" in the title for Appendix A. >>=20 >> Not that it matters, but "--posix" is passed into `bash` on the first >> line of the script ;) >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> I think the shell script does need to use double-quotes around some >>> variable expansions, especially "$infile" and "$outfile", to work >>> properly for filenames containing spaces. We do quote "$infile" = when >>> we're checking that it exists, just not (most of the time) when we >>> actually use it! >>=20 >> Updated. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> In addition to the above, I also share Alissa's (and Mirja's) = concerns, >>> but feel that Discuss is more appropriate than Abstain, so we can >>> discuss what the best way to get this content published is. For = it's >>> fine content, and we should see it published; it's just not = immediately >>> clear to me what the right way to do so is. >>=20 >> Agreed. For now, I've changed it to Informational, but I think = there >> remains a discussion around if the draft should be re-rerun through = the >> IAB stream. My responses today to Alissa's Abstain and Suresh = Discuss >> dig into this. Is it okay to use those threads for this item? >=20 > Please do; this point was mostly intended to make sure that we didn't > inadvertently approve the document while those discussions were still = going > on. This issue is currently with the IESG. >>> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> COMMENT: >>> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>=20 >>> Section 4.1 >>>=20 >>> Automated folding of long lines is needed in order to support draft >>> compilations that entail a) validation of source input files (e.g., >>> XML, JSON, ABNF, ASN.1) and/or b) dynamic generation of output, = using >>> a tool that doesn't observe line lengths, that is stitched into the >>> final document to be submitted. >>>=20 >>> I don't think the intended meaning of "source input files" will be >>> clear to all readers just from this text. Some discussion of how = RFCs >>> can consider source code, data structures, generated output, etc., = that >>> have standalone representations and natural formats, and the need to >>> display their contents in the RFC format that has different >>> requirements might be helpful context for this paragraph and the = next. >>=20 >> Is the updated text more understandable? >=20 > Yes, thanks Great, this issue is closed. >>> Section 7.1.2 >>>=20 >>> For some reason my mental model of "RFC style" does not use the word >>> "really" in this way, and prefers alternatives like "very" or >>> "exceptionally". (Also in Section 8.1.2.) >>=20 >> s/Really/Exceptionally/ in both cases. >>=20 >>=20 >>> Section 7.2.1 >>>=20 >>> 1. Determine where the fold will occur. This location MUST be >>> before or at the desired maximum column, and MUST NOT be chosen = such >>> that the character immediately after the fold is a space (' ') >>> character. For forced foldings, the location is between the >>>=20 >>> This is a rather awkward natural line break. I suggest an RFC = Editor >>> note to make sure that the punctuation around the space character = all >>> appears on the same line. >>=20 >> RFC Editor note added, near the top of the draft. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> 3. On the following line, insert any number of space (' ') >>> characters. >>>=20 >>> I'm not sure I'd characterize the procedure as "complete" when it >>> leaves the value of the output subject to implementation choice such = as >>> this. (Note that the next paragraph talks about the resulting >>> "arbitrary number of space" characters, and would presumably also = need >>> to be adjusted if this text was adjusted.) We also don't seem to = bound >>> this number of spaces to be fewer than the target line length, which >>> only matters in some weirdly pedantic sense. >>=20 >> Added "subject to the resulting line not exceeding the desired = maximum" >> to both locations in the draft. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> Section 7.2.2 >>>=20 >>> Scan the beginning of the text content for the header described in >>> Section 7.1.1. If the header is not present, starting on the first >>> line of the text content, exit (this text contents does not need to >>> be unfolded). >>>=20 >>> I'm not sure I understand what "starting on the first line of the = text >>> content" is intended to mean. (Also in 8.2.2.) >>=20 >> I think you are saying that it seems overly prescriptive, given that = the >> previous sentence says "beginning" and "header", it defies logic that = the >> header might not start on the first line and, by this text calling it >> out, it suggests something special is going on. Is this what you = mean? >> To be clear, the only intention here is to catch the case whereby = there >> might be some blank lines preceding the header. Do you think the >> "starting on the first line of the text content" fragment should be >> removed? >=20 > I think I was too confused by the text to be complaining that it was = overly > prescriptive :( > I guess my complaint is that it seems ambiguous whether this is "the > procedure says: start on the first line of text content, and check for = the > header" or "If the header is not present [anywhere in the content], = start > on the first line of content, and exit". That is, I think the order = in > which the clauses appear confuses me, with perhaps some exacerbation = by > verb tense. I support being able to cope with some blank lines = preceding > the header! I have removed the "starting on the first line of the text content" = fragment, from both 7.2.2 and 8.2.2, since it seemed unnecessary and = caused confusion. >>> Section 8.2.1 >>>=20 >>> If this text content needs to and can be folded, insert the header >>> described in Section 8.1.1, ensuring that any additional printable >>> characters surrounding the header do not result in a line exceeding >>> the desired maximum. >>>=20 >>> We discussed above some cases when text could not be folded using = the >>> algorithm from Section 7.2.1; in what case could text not be folded >>> with this algorithm? Just the case when the implementation doesn't >>> support forced folding? >>=20 >> Yes, that's the only case known. But what does this have to do with >> Section 8.2.1? Are you keying off of the "needs to" part? Is it = okay? >=20 > I was just trying to check that we have given the reader enough = information > to ascertain the "can be folded" result. I wish to amend my previous statement, other reasons that might lead to = unfoldability include: 1) presence of a TAB character. This issue is already discussed in this = draft. 2) presence of ASCII-based control characters. This issue was not = discussed previously (nor in RFC 7991), but control characters in = general (i.e., beyond TAB) are an issue. But the issue may be just a = limitation in the command line tools like `sed` that are byte-orientated = more so than character-oriented. Thusly, in the latest update, the = `rfcfold` script now issues a *warning* if it detects any ASCII control = characters. 3) presence of non-ASCII (e.g., UTF-8) characters. This issue was not = discussed previously (nor in RFC 7991), but multibyte characters and = multi-width-characters are not supported by `sed`. It is unclear from = RFC 7991 and RFC 7994 if such characters may appear in and = inclusions, but presumably they MAY (e.g., the XML file format = is known to support UTF-8 encodings). To be safe, the `rfcfold` script = now issues a *warning* if it detects any non-ASCII characters. >>> Section 10 >>>=20 >>> We should warn against implementations scanning past the end of a >>> buffer (containing the entire contents of a file) when checking = what's >>> in the beginning of the next line -- if a file ends with a backslash >>> and "end of line" but no further content, we could perform an out of >>> bounds access if the code assumes it is safe to check for the next >>> line's initial content. >>=20 >> Both Sections 7.2.2 and 8.2.2 describe conditions to determine when >> unfolding occurs. AFIACT, in both cases, the unfolding algorithm = stays >> within the bounds of those conditions. =20 >=20 > These procedures are fine if you're operating in a context where you > interact with the text corpus via "get next line" operations. But I = don't > think we have limited ourselves to such contexts; consider the case = where I > (foolishly) write text-processing code in C, and read(2) the text in > question into a memory buffer. I'm on my own for linebreak detection, = and > if I start peeking past escape characters, it's not so hard to imagine = that > I could fail to check for "end of buffer" and trigger undefined = behavior. >=20 >> For instance, given the input sequence [ '\' '\n' EOF] , the 7.2.2 >> algorithm would replace it with [ EOF ] and the 8.2.2 algorithm = wouldn't >> even attempt to unfold it since the condition of the next line = containing >> a second '\' character isn't met. >>=20 >> Is this Security Consideration needed? >=20 > Well, it's a nonblocking comment. So if the above description seems > totally implausible to you, I can accept it not being included in the > document. I'll choose this route, thanks. >>> Section 12.2 >>>=20 >>> I think that RFC 7991 could be normative, since we say "per RFC = 7991" >>> to describe some requirements on behavior. Likewise for RFC 7994, >>> whose character encoding requirements we incorporate by reference. >>=20 >> Given that this format may be used in contexts outside the IETF, it = seems >> that understanding RFC 7991 is optional. Agreed? >=20 > For most of the occurrences of 7991 references, I agree with you. The = only > one that makes me think otherwise is in Section 7.1.2: >=20 > The character encoding is the same as described in Section 2 of > [RFC7994], except that, per [RFC7991], tab characters are = prohibited. >=20 > which is a statement of behavior that defers to an external = specification. Okay, RFC 7991 is now a normative reference. >>> Appendix A >>>=20 >>> I could perhaps argue that we should include a reference to POSIX = for >>> "POSIX shell script" but find it somewhat hard to believe that this >>> would be a problem in practice. It's also moot since we require = bash >>> specifically, so we'd need to reference bash instead of POSIX. >>=20 >> Per above, "POSIX" is now "Bash" in the title. I added an = Informative >> reference for Bash. >=20 > Thanks! >=20 >>=20 >>> copy/paste the script for local use. As should be evident by the >>> lack of the mandatory header described in Section 7.1.1, these >>> backslashes do not designate a folded line, such as described in >>> Section 7. >>>=20 >>> It perhaps should be, but I think currently is not -- we only talk >>> about using the two-line header to detect instances of folding, = without >>> mention of a requirement to be contained within />> ENDS> or similar. >>=20 >> Correct. The 2-line header is missing. That / >> appears is secondary. Is there anything to be done here? >=20 > In light of the previous discussion about extracting artwork = individually > from the document, probably not. Okay, this issue is closed. > Though it seems the -10 has added a line-wrapping header to the = script, > which seems to be inadvertent, if I understand correctly. That was a mistake. The authors added a build-time test-case ensuring = that the `rfcfold` script doesn't require folding when appearing in = Appendix A. >>> It seems that my perception of "common shell style" diverges from = that >>> presented in this document, which is not necessarily problematic. >>> (Things like what diagnostics go to stdout vs. stderr, use or "> >>> /dev/null" vs ">> /dev/null", etc.) >>=20 >> I fixed one "> /dev/null" case. >=20 > Heh, I was trying to say that I prefer to always write "> /dev/null", = while > acknowledging that my preference is irrelevant for this document. I'm = glad > it helped to fix a consistency nit, though! The script now uses "> /dev/null" throughout. >> As for style, we could review line by line but, for the cases where >> output is directed to /dev/null/, it's unclear where the output is >> needed, only the exit code status ever seems to matter. =20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> printf "Usage: rfcfold [-s ] [-c ] [-r] -i = " >>> printf " -o \n" >>>=20 >>> This summary usage line doesn't mention -d, -q, or -h. (Maybe it >>> doesn't have to, of course.) >>=20 >> Added. >>=20 >>=20 >>> # ensure input file doesn't contain a TAB grep $'\t' $infile >> >>> /dev/null 2>&1 >>>=20 >>> (`grep -q` is a thing, here and elsewhere.) >>=20 >> Added. >>=20 >>=20 >>> # unfold wip file "$SED" '{H;$!d};x;s/^\n//;s/\\\n *//g' >>> $temp_dir/wip > $outfile >>>=20 >>> [I don't remember why the s/^\n// is needed; similarly for the >>> unfold_it_2() case.] >>=20 >> Erik responded to this point already. >>=20 >>=20 >>> if [[ $strategy -eq 2 ]]; then min_supported=3D`expr = ${#hdr_txt_2} + >>> 8` else min_supported=3D`expr ${#hdr_txt_1} + 8` fi >>>=20 >>> On the face of it this seems like it will produce "folded" output = that >>> exceeds the line length, when we give min_supported of 54, use >>> autodetection of strategy, and have input that is incompatible with >>> fold_it_1(). >>=20 >> Fixed off-by-one error. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> process_input $@ >>>=20 >>> Need double-quotes around "$@" to properly handle arguments with >>> embedded spaces. >>=20 >> Added. >=20 > Thanks! >=20 > I'll try to find time to look at the new script with an eye for = quoting, > and update my position in the datatracker; please start complaining if = I > haven't done so and the other threads about where/how to publish have = come > to a conclusion. >=20 > -Ben Please let us know if you see any other issues needing to be addressed! Thanks, Kent // co-author --Apple-Mail=_E2533340-FBC4-4B80-9997-0C832E64730E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Hi = Ben,

I sent you a = private email before indicating that changes to the `rfcfold` script = addressing your concerns were in progress.  I'm happy to announce = that an update has just been posted containing these changes (much = thanks to my co-author, Erik, CC-ed).  

Please see below as well.

Thanks,
Kent // co-author




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DISCUSS:
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I think the procedures described = herein are incomplete without a footer
to terminate the = un-folding process.  Otherwise, it seems that the
described algorithms would leave the two-line header for the = second and
subsequent instances of folded text in a single = document.  (If we tried
to just blindly remove all = instances of the header without seeking
boundaries, then = we would misreconstruct content when different folding
algorithms are used in the same document with the = single-backslash
algorithm occurring first.)

Are you referring to when an RFC = contains multiple inclusions and one is
trying to unfold = them all at once?   That's not the intention here, as

Yes, that was what I was = thinking; sorry for missing or misinterpreting the
notes = in Sections 7.2/8.2.

This issue is resolved.



noted in paragraph 3 in both sections 7.2 and = 8.2.  FWIW, this sounds
like the framing problem that = the WG discussed with the conclusion that
extracting from = plain-text is dead, now that XML is the required
submission = format, and XML provides a superior framing mechanism than any
footer we could add.

BTW, yes, = each text inclusion in a single RFC may independently be folded
using either the '\' or '\\' strategy, with the = recommendation that '\'
always be tried first and '\\' = only used when '\' fails.

If referring to a = single text content instance, could you provide an
example = illustrating the concern?




I don't = think it's proper to refer to a script that requires bash
specifically as a "POSIX shell script".  I did not = attmept to check
whether any bash-specific features are = used or this requirements stems
solely from the shebang = line, though.

I just changed = "POSIX" to "Bash" in the title for Appendix A.

Not that it matters, but "--posix" is passed into `bash` on = the first
line of the script  ;)



I think the shell script does need to use double-quotes = around some
variable expansions, especially "$infile" and = "$outfile", to work
properly for filenames containing = spaces.  We do quote "$infile" when
we're checking = that it exists, just not (most of the time) when we
actually= use it!

Updated.



In addition to the above, I also share Alissa's = (and Mirja's) concerns,
but feel that Discuss is more = appropriate than Abstain, so we can
discuss what the best = way to get this content published is.  For it's
fine = content, and we should see it published; it's just not immediately
clear to me what the right way to do so is.

Agreed.   For now, I've = changed it to Informational, but I think there
remains a = discussion around if the draft should be re-rerun through the
IAB stream.   My responses today to Alissa's = Abstain and Suresh Discuss
dig into this.  Is it okay = to use those threads for this item?

Please do; this point was mostly intended to make sure that = we didn't
inadvertently approve the document while those = discussions were still going
on.

This = issue is currently with the IESG.


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COMMENT:
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Section 4.1

 Automated folding of long lines is needed in order to = support draft
 compilations that entail a) = validation of source input files (e.g.,
 XML, JSON, = ABNF, ASN.1) and/or b) dynamic generation of output, using
=  a tool that doesn't observe line lengths, that is stitched into = the
 final document to be submitted.
I don't think the intended meaning of "source input files" = will be
clear to all readers just from this text. =  Some discussion of how RFCs
can consider source = code, data structures, generated output, etc., that
have = standalone representations and natural formats, and the need to
display their contents in the RFC format that has = different
requirements might be helpful context for this = paragraph and the next.

Is the = updated text more understandable?

Yes, thanks

Great, this issue is closed.


Section 7.1.2

For some reason my mental model of "RFC style" = does not use the word
"really" in this way, and prefers = alternatives like "very" or
"exceptionally".  (Also = in Section 8.1.2.)

s/Really/Exceptionally/ in both cases.


Section = 7.2.1

 1.  Determine where the = fold will occur.  This location MUST be
 before = or at the desired maximum column, and MUST NOT be chosen such
 that the character immediately after the fold is a = space (' ')
 character.  For forced foldings, = the location is between the

This is a = rather awkward natural line break.  I suggest an RFC Editor
note to make sure that the punctuation around the space = character all
appears on the same line.

RFC Editor note added, near the = top of the draft.



 3.  On the = following line, insert any number of space (' ')
=  characters.

I'm not sure I'd = characterize the procedure as "complete" when it
leaves = the value of the output subject to implementation choice such as
this.  (Note that the next paragraph talks about the = resulting
"arbitrary number of space" characters, and = would presumably also need
to be adjusted if this text was = adjusted.) We also don't seem to bound
this number of = spaces to be fewer than the target line length, which
only = matters in some weirdly pedantic sense.

Added "subject to the resulting line not exceeding the = desired maximum"
to both locations in the draft.



Section 7.2.2

=  Scan the beginning of the text content for the header described = in
 Section 7.1.1.  If the header is not = present, starting on the first
 line of the text = content, exit (this text contents does not need to
=  be unfolded).

I'm not sure I = understand what "starting on the first line of the text
content" is intended to mean.  (Also in 8.2.2.)

I think you are saying that it = seems overly prescriptive, given that the
previous = sentence says "beginning" and "header", it defies logic that the
header might not start on the first line and, by this text = calling it
out, it suggests something special is going on. =   Is this what you mean?
To be clear, the only = intention here is to catch the case whereby there
might be = some blank lines preceding the header.   Do you think the
"starting on the first line of the text content" fragment = should be
removed?

I think I was too confused by the text to be complaining that = it was overly
prescriptive :(
I guess my = complaint is that it seems ambiguous whether this is "the
procedure says: start on the first line of text content, and = check for the
header" or "If the header is not present = [anywhere in the content], start
on the first line of = content, and exit".  That is, I think the order in
which the clauses appear confuses me, with perhaps some = exacerbation by
verb tense.  I support being able to = cope with some blank lines preceding
the header!

I = have removed the "starting on the first line of the text content" = fragment, from both 7.2.2 and 8.2.2, since it seemed unnecessary and = caused confusion.



Section 8.2.1

 If this text content needs to and can = be folded, insert the header
 described in Section = 8.1.1, ensuring that any additional printable
=  characters surrounding the header do not result in a line = exceeding
 the desired maximum.

We discussed above some cases when text could not be folded = using the
algorithm from Section 7.2.1; in what case could = text not be folded
with this algorithm?  Just the = case when the implementation doesn't
support forced = folding?

Yes, that's the only = case known.   But what does this have to do with
Section 8.2.1?  Are you keying off of the "needs to" = part?   Is it okay?

I = was just trying to check that we have given the reader enough = information
to ascertain the "can be folded" result.

I = wish to amend my previous statement, other reasons that might lead to = unfoldability include:

1) presence = of a TAB character.  This issue is already discussed in this = draft.

2) presence of ASCII-based = control characters.  This issue was not discussed previously (nor = in RFC 7991), but control characters in general (i.e., beyond TAB) are = an issue.  But the issue may be just a limitation in the command = line tools like `sed` that are byte-orientated more so than = character-oriented.  Thusly, in the latest update, the `rfcfold` = script now issues a *warning* if it detects any ASCII control = characters.

3) presence of = non-ASCII (e.g., UTF-8) characters.  This issue was not discussed = previously (nor in RFC 7991), but multibyte characters and = multi-width-characters are not supported by `sed`.   It is unclear = from RFC 7991 and RFC 7994 if such characters may appear in = <sourcecode> and <artwork> inclusions, but presumably they = MAY (e.g., the XML file format is known to support UTF-8 encodings). =  To be safe, the `rfcfold` script now issues a *warning* if it = detects any non-ASCII characters.



Section = 10

We should warn against implementations = scanning past the end of a
buffer (containing the entire = contents of a file) when checking what's
in the beginning = of the next line -- if a file ends with a backslash
and = "end of line" but no further content, we could perform an out of
bounds access if the code assumes it is safe to check for the = next
line's initial content.

Both Sections 7.2.2 and 8.2.2 describe conditions to = determine when
unfolding occurs. AFIACT, in both cases, = the unfolding algorithm stays
within the bounds of those = conditions.  

These = procedures are fine if you're operating in a context where you
interact with the text corpus via "get next line" operations. =  But I don't
think we have limited ourselves to such = contexts; consider the case where I
(foolishly) write = text-processing code in C, and read(2) the text in
question = into a memory buffer.  I'm on my own for linebreak detection, = and
if I start peeking past escape characters, it's not so = hard to imagine that
I could fail to check for "end of = buffer" and trigger undefined behavior.

For instance, given the = input sequence [ '\' '\n' EOF] , the 7.2.2
algorithm would = replace it with [ EOF ] and the 8.2.2 algorithm wouldn't
even attempt to unfold it since the condition of the next = line containing
a second '\' character isn't met.

Is this Security Consideration needed?

Well, it's a nonblocking comment. =  So if the above description seems
totally = implausible to you, I can accept it not being included in the
document.

I'll choose this route, thanks.



Section = 12.2

I think that RFC 7991 could be = normative, since we say "per RFC 7991"
to describe some = requirements on behavior.  Likewise for RFC 7994,
whose= character encoding requirements we incorporate by reference.

Given that this format may be = used in contexts outside the IETF, it seems
that = understanding RFC 7991 is optional.  Agreed?

For most of the occurrences of = 7991 references, I agree with you.  The only
one that = makes me think otherwise is in Section 7.1.2:

  The character encoding is the same as described = in Section 2 of
  [RFC7994], except that, per = [RFC7991], tab characters are prohibited.

which is a statement of behavior that defers to an external = specification.

Okay, RFC 7991 is now a normative = reference.



Appendix A

I could perhaps argue that we should include a = reference to POSIX for
"POSIX shell script" but find it = somewhat hard to believe that this
would be a problem in = practice.  It's also moot since we require bash
specifically, so we'd need to reference bash instead of = POSIX.

Per above, "POSIX" is = now "Bash" in the title.   I added an Informative
reference for Bash.

Thanks!


=  copy/paste the script for local use.  As should be evident by = the
 lack of the mandatory header described in = Section 7.1.1, these
 backslashes do not designate a = folded line, such as described in
 Section 7.

It perhaps should be, but I think currently is = not -- we only talk
about using the two-line header to = detect instances of folding, without
mention of a = requirement to be contained within <CODE BEGINS>/<CODE
ENDS> or similar.

Correct.  The 2-line header is missing.  That = <CODE BEGINS>/<CODE ENDS>
appears is = secondary.  Is there anything to be done here?

In light of the previous = discussion about extracting artwork individually
from the = document, probably not.

Okay, this issue is closed.


Though it seems the -10 has = added a line-wrapping header to the script,
which seems to = be inadvertent, if I understand correctly.

That = was a mistake.  The authors added a build-time test-case ensuring = that the `rfcfold` script doesn't require folding when appearing in = Appendix A.



It seems that my perception of "common shell style" diverges = from that
presented in this document, which is not = necessarily problematic.
(Things like what diagnostics go = to stdout vs. stderr, use or ">
/dev/null" vs ">> = /dev/null", etc.)

I fixed one = "> /dev/null" case.

Heh, I = was trying to say that I prefer to always write "> /dev/null", = while
acknowledging that my preference is irrelevant for = this document.  I'm glad
it helped to fix a = consistency nit, though!

The script now uses "> /dev/null" = throughout.



As for style, we could = review line by line but, for the cases where
output is = directed to /dev/null/, it's unclear where the output is
needed, only the exit code status ever seems to matter. =  


   printf "Usage: rfcfold [-s = <strategy>] [-c <col>] [-r] -i <infile>"
=    printf " -o <outfile>\n"

This summary usage line doesn't mention -d, -q, or -h. =  (Maybe it
doesn't have to, of course.)

Added.


=    # ensure input file doesn't contain a TAB grep $'\t' = $infile >>
   /dev/null = 2>&1

(`grep -q` is a thing, here and = elsewhere.)

Added.


   # unfold wip file "$SED" = '{H;$!d};x;s/^\n//;s/\\\n *//g'
=    $temp_dir/wip > $outfile

[I don't remember why the s/^\n// is needed; similarly for = the
unfold_it_2() case.]

Erik responded to this point already.


=    if [[ $strategy -eq 2 ]]; then min_supported=3D`expr = ${#hdr_txt_2} +
   8` else = min_supported=3D`expr ${#hdr_txt_1} + 8` fi

On the face of it this seems like it will produce "folded" = output that
exceeds the line length, when we give = min_supported of 54, use
autodetection of strategy, and = have input that is incompatible with
fold_it_1().

Fixed off-by-one error.



   process_input $@

Need double-quotes around "$@" to properly = handle arguments with
embedded spaces.

Added.

Thanks!

I'll try to find time to look at the new script with an eye = for quoting,
and update my position in the datatracker; = please start complaining if I
haven't done so and the = other threads about where/how to publish have come
to a = conclusion.

-Ben


Please let us know = if you see any other issues needing to be addressed!

Thanks,
Kent // = co-author




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My general question is=C2=A0 what is the ultimate objective/ambition of thi= s work? Is it 1. Modeling the imperative policy style network automation as stipulated by= the SUPA framework =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 or 2. Event scoping of PUSH machinery If 2. is the case, it would certainly make sense and might prove useful for= many use cases. However, in this case you have neither reason nor right to= use well understood abbreviation ECA, nor to refer to the SUPA documents. = Neither it would make any sense to merge our contributions IMHO If 1. is the case, then here is our comments/suggestions as to how the work should in our opinion e= volve going forward: 1.The Expression clause in an ECA could be very complex and hence requires = a complex syntax to articulate. To address this in our contribution (https:= //datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bryskin-netconf-automation-yang/) we propo= sed two methods: a) When configuring Condition using XPath expression string. This allows ex= pressing Conditions of arbitrary complexity, but does require servers to (s= ufficiently) support XPath language; b) For the case of simpler servers we defined elementary logical primitives= that could be used in building bottom up in hierarchical manner complex lo= gical expressions=20 2. Your model seems to suggest for ECA Action=C2=A0 not much more than PUSH= ing a notification (triggered by a certain event and satisfying the configu= red condition) to the client with the hope that the client will subsequentl= y request some device/network re-configurations ro react to the event. Ther= e are situations, however, when the said re-configurations must be applied = immediately after the event detection with no time to loose on network- cli= ent communications. Furthermore, there are cases when the necessary re-conf= igurations are known a priory (at the time of the ECA configuration), and t= he client may want to pre-configure them along with configuring=C2=A0 the E= CA's Event and Condition, and then rely on what we call close loop network = automation, rather than to be involved in device/network micro management i= n real time. To this end our contribution suggests the flowing ECA Action c= onfiguration options:a) Network re-configuration (in the form of per-config= ured Netconf edit config statements); b) PUSHing notifications to the client (the same as you suggest) c) Enabling/disabling notification streams (pre-configured as PUSH subscrip= tions); d) Invoking local network intelligence (configured as YANG RPCs defined in = supported by the server YANG models). For example, calling local TE path co= mputation (defined as Path Computation RPC by the te-tunnel=C2=A0 or Path C= omputation model) could be configured within ECA as Action in order to disc= over more optimal path for a TE tunnel after the configured Event is fired. 3. Evaluation of ECA Conditions, as well as input to ECA Actions may requir= e not just instantaneous network states, but also accumulation/computation = of thereof over periods of time (e.g. min/max/mean leaf values, history dat= a, threshold overstep counters, results of various functions/computations/a= lgorithms performed on network states over time, etc.) Hence there is a nee= d for storage of intermediate results of such computations. Our contributio= n introduces such storage in the form of Policy Variables (PVs). PVs could = be part of Condition expressions, as well as Action inputs along with insta= nt network states. PVs also could appear in notifications PUSHed to the cli= ent. 4. Notifications triggered by ECA s require definition beyond what is defin= ed by PUSH models, so that the notifications could be properly associated b= y the client with a given execution of a given ECA.=C2=A0 Said definition c= ould be found in https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bryskin-netconf-aut= omation-yang/. We have more points to discuss, but what is above is a good starting point. Regards, Igor (and Xufeng) On Saturday, November 2, 2019, 10:33:40 AM EDT, Lou Berger wrote: =20 =20 Qin, =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Thanks for the update. To answer your question as well as respond to the related thread, as chair, I generally think it best to adopt once there is consensus in the WG on a direction to take with respect to the topic covered by a draft. That is not to say that a fully formed or documented solution is required at adoption but that if there are several different approaches available, that the adopted work reflects the direction that the WG will pursue. In this case, the current rev is certainly a step in that direction, but the WG still as two different basic approaches available to it in this draft and draft-bryskin-netconf-automation-yang.=C2=A0 I personally always prefer it when individual draft authors can find common ground and come to the WG with a single (unified) proposal rather than ask the working group to choose one over the other.=C2=A0 I'm not sure who among the author= s will be in Singapore, but perhaps the authors can take the opportunity to meet to discuss the possibly of such a unified proposal as well report back to the working group on their progress/status.=C2=A0 Time permitting, we should at least hear a summary of each approach so that if a unified approach is not proposed that the WG is better informed on the proposals. Cheers, Lou On 11/1/19 11:02 PM, Qin Wu wrote: > v-04 is posted to address chairs' comments,=20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04 > the main changes include: >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 o=C2=A0 Add text in introduction section to clarify the usag= e examples of >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ECA policy >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 o=C2=A0 Update objective section to align with use cases. >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 o=C2=A0 Clarify the relationship between target and policy v= ariable. >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 o=C2=A0 Change variation trigger condition back into thresho= ld trigger >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 condition and clarify the usage of three trigger cond= itions. >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 o=C2=A0 Remove Event MIB related section. >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 o=C2=A0 Add new coauthors and contributors. > Chairs, what is the next step? >=20 > -Qin (on behalf of authors) >=20 > -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6----- > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: I-D-Announce [mailto:i-d-announce-bounces@ie= tf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 internet-drafts@ietf.org > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2019=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=882=E6=97=A5 = 10:57 > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: i-d-announce@ietf.org > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: I-D Action: draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04.txt >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct= ories. >=20 >=20 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : A YA= NG Data model for ECA Policy Management >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : Michael W= ang >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Qin Wu >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Chongfeng Xie >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Igor Bryskin >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Xufeng Liu >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Alexander Clemm >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Henk Birkholz >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Tianran Zhou > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-wwx-netmod= -event-yang-04.txt > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : 32 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : 2019-1= 1-01 >=20 > Abstract: >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 RFC8328 defines a policy-based management framework that all= ow >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 definition of a data model to be used to represent high-leve= l, >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 possibly network-wide policies.=C2=A0 Policy discussed in RF= C8328 are >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 classified into imperative policy and declarative policy, EC= A policy >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 is an typical example of imperative policy.=C2=A0 This docum= ent defines an >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 YANG data model for the ECA policy management.=C2=A0 The ECA= policy YANG >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 provides the ability for the network management function (wi= thin a >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 controller, an orchestrator, or a network element) to contro= l the >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 configuration and monitor state change on the network elemen= t and >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 take simple and instant action when a trigger condition on t= he system >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 state is met. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang/ >=20 > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submiss= ion until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.= ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt >=20 =20 ------=_Part_1414483_1192168966.1572894361411 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Qin,

Thanks for the effort.

My general question is  what is the ultimate ob= jective/ambition of this work? Is it

1. Modeling the imperative policy style network automatio= n as stipulated by the SUPA framework
          or
2. E= vent scoping of PUSH machinery
If 2. is the case, it would certai= nly make sense and might prove useful for many use cases. However, in this = case you have neither reason nor right to use well understood abbreviation = ECA, nor to refer to the SUPA documents. Neither it would make any sense to= merge our contributions IMHO

If 1. is the case, then
here is our comments/suggestions as= to how the work should in our opinion evolve going forward:

1.The Expression clause in an ECA could be very complex and hence requires a=20 complex syntax to articulate. To address this in our contribution (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft= -bryskin-netconf-automation-yang/) we proposed two methods:
a) When configuring Condition using XPath expression string. This allows=20 expressing Conditions of arbitrary complexity, but does require servers=20 to (sufficiently) support XPath language;
b) For= =20 the case of simpler servers we defined elementary logical primitives=20 that could be used in building bottom up in hierarchical manner complex=20 logical expressions

2. You= r model seems to suggest for ECA Action  not much more than PUSHing a= =20 notification (triggered by a certain event and satisfying the configured condition) to the client with the hope that the client will=20 subsequently request some device/network re-configurations ro react to=20 the event. There are situations, however, when the said=20 re-configurations must be applied immediately after the event detection=20 with no time to loose on network- client communications. Furthermore,=20 there are cases when the necessary re-configurations are known a priory=20 (at the time of the ECA configuration), and the client may want to=20 pre-configure them along with configuring  the ECA's Event and=20 Condition, and then rely on what we call close loop network automation,=20 rather than to be involved in device/network micro management in real=20 time. To this end our contribution suggests the flowing ECA Action=20 configuration options:
a) Network re-configuration (i= n the form of per-configured Netconf edit config statements);
b) PUSHing notifications to the client (the same as you suggest)
c) Enabling/disabling notification streams (pre-configur= ed as PUSH subscriptions);
d) Invoking local network intelligence (configured as YANG RPCs defined in supported by the server YANG models). For example, calling local TE=20 path computation (defined as Path Computation RPC by the te-tunnel  or= =20 Path Computation model) could be configured within ECA as Action in=20 order to discover more optimal path for a TE tunnel after the configured Event is fired.

3. Evaluation o= f ECA Conditions, as well as input to ECA Actions may require not just=20 instantaneous network states, but also accumulation/computation of=20 thereof over periods of time (e.g. min/max/mean leaf values, history=20 data, threshold overstep counters, results of various=20 functions/computations/algorithms performed on network states over time, etc.) Hence there is a need for storage of intermediate results of such computations. Our contribution introduces such storage in the form of=20 Policy Variables (PVs). PVs could be part of Condition expressions, as=20 well as Action inputs along with instant network states. PVs also could=20 appear in notifications PUSHed to the client.

4. Notifications triggered by ECA s require definition beyond what is=20 defined by PUSH models, so that the notifications could be properly=20 associated by the client with a given execution of a given ECA.  Said= =20 definition could be found in ht= tps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bryskin-netconf-automation-yang/.<= br>

We have more points to discuss, but what is ab= ove is a good starting point.

Regards,
Igor= (and Xufeng)
<= /div>



=
=20
=20
On Saturday, November 2, 2019, 10:33:40 AM EDT, Lou Ber= ger <lberger@labn.net> wrote:


Qin,
  &n= bsp; Thanks for the update.

To answer = your question as well as respond to the related thread, as
chair, I generally think it best to adopt once there is consensus in the<= br clear=3D"none">WG on a direction to take with respect to the topic cover= ed by a draft.
That is not to say that a fully formed or= documented solution is
required at adoption but that if = there are several different approaches
available, that th= e adopted work reflects the direction that the WG will
pu= rsue.

In this case, the current rev is= certainly a step in that direction, but
the WG still as = two different basic approaches available to it in this
dr= aft and draft-bryskin-netconf-automation-yang.  I personally alwaysprefer it when individual draft authors can find common gro= und and come
to the WG with a single (unified) proposal r= ather than ask the working
group to choose one over the o= ther.  I'm not sure who among the authors
will be in= Singapore, but perhaps the authors can take the opportunity
to meet to discuss the possibly of such a unified proposal as well
report back to the working group on their progress/status.&nb= sp; Time
permitting, we should at least hear a summary of= each approach so that
if a unified approach is not propo= sed that the WG is better informed on
the proposals.

Cheers,
Lou

On = 11/1/19 11:02 PM, Qin Wu wrote:
> v-04 is posted to ad= dress chairs' comments,
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-wwx-netmod-event-ya= ng-04
> the main changes include:
>    o  Add text in introduction section to clarify the= usage examples of
>      ECA policy>    o  Update objective section to alig= n with use cases.
>    o  Clarify the r= elationship between target and policy variable.
> = ;   o  Change variation trigger condition back into threshold tri= gger
>      condition and clarify the = usage of three trigger conditions.
>    o&nb= sp; Remove Event MIB related section.
>    o=   Add new coauthors and contributors.
> Chairs, w= hat is the next step?
>
> -Qin (= on behalf of authors)
>
> -----= =E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6-----
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> =E5=8F=91=E9= =80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2019=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=882=E6=97=A5 10:57
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> =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: I-D Action: dra= ft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04.txt
>
&= gt;
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-l= ine Internet-Drafts directories.
>
= >
>        Title   =       : A YANG Data model for ECA Policy Management
>        Authors      &n= bsp; : Michael Wang
>        &nbs= p;                 Qin Wu
>                 = ;         Chongfeng Xie
>  &= nbsp;                    =   Igor Bryskin
>        &nb= sp;                 Xufeng Liu
>                =           Alexander Clemm
>&= nbsp;                    =     Henk Birkholz
>      &n= bsp;                   Tianra= n Zhou
>     Filename    &nbs= p;   : draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04.txt
>  = ;   Pages          : 32
>     Date            : = 2019-11-01
>
> Abstract:
>    RFC8328 defines a policy-based management fram= ework that allow
>    definition of a data m= odel to be used to represent high-level,
>   = ; possibly network-wide policies.  Policy discussed in RFC8328 are
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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Authors of draft-ietf-netmod-sub-intf-vlan-model, I noticed that the draft has expired, is there any intention to publish a n= ew version in new future? Secondly, I notice a possible problem in the examples in section 7.1/7.2. In current (expired) draft, in section 7.1. we have in the example eth0.1 ianaift:l2vlan eth0 dot1q-types:s-vlan 10 The type of of eth0.1 interface is defined as a l2vlan. L2vlan is defined in RFC 7224 as follows, which means that l2vlan does not = derive from ethernetCsmacd nor ieee8023adLag nor ethSubInterface: identity l2vlan { base iana-interface-type; description "Layer 2 Virtual LAN using 802.1Q."; } However in the current (expired) draft, ietf-if-l3-vlan@2019-03-05.yang says /* * Add support for the 802.1Q VLAN encapsulation syntax on layer 3 * terminated VLAN sub-interfaces. */ augment "/if:interfaces/if:interface/if-cmn:encapsulation/" + "if-cmn:encaps-type" { when "derived-from-or-self(../if:type, 'ianaift:ethernetCsmacd') or derived-from-or-self(../if:type, 'ianaift:ieee8023adLag') or derived-from-or-self(../if:type, 'if-cmn:ethSubInterface')" { description "Applies only to Ethernet-like interfaces and sub-interfaces"; } description "Augment the generic interface encapsulation with an basic 802.1Q VLAN encapsulation for sub-interfaces."; /* * Matches a single VLAN Id, or a pair of VLAN Ids to classify * traffic into an L3 service. */ case dot1q-vlan { container dot1q-vlan { must 'count(../../if-cmn:forwarding-mode) =3D 0 or ' + 'derived-from-or-self(../../if-cmn:forwarding-mode,' + '"if-cmn:layer-3-forwarding")' { error-message "If the interface forwarding-mode leaf is set then it must be set to an identity that derives from layer-3-forwarding"; description "The forwarding-mode leaf on an interface can optionally be used to enforce consistency of configuration"; } description "Match VLAN tagged frames with specific VLAN Ids"; container outer-tag { must 'tag-type =3D "dot1q-types:s-vlan" or ' + 'tag-type =3D "dot1q-types:c-vlan"' { error-message "Only C-VLAN and S-VLAN tags can be matched"; description "For IEEE 802.1Q interoperability, only C-VLAN and S-VLAN tags can be matched"; } description "Classifies traffic using the outermost VLAN tag on the frame."; uses dot1q-types:dot1q-tag-classifier-grouping; } As such if the type of eth 0.1 is l2vlan should outer-tag etc be available = to this interface, since l2vlan would not satisfy the "when" clause? I believe there are similar issues for other interfaces too in section 7.1/= 7.2 examples. Warm regards, Stephen Cheng --_000_MWHPR2201MB1215B39679CE1878DE333614997E0MWHPR2201MB1215_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

Authors  of draft-ietf-netmod-sub-intf-vlan-mod= el,

 

I noticed that the draft has expired, is there any i= ntention to publish a new version in new future?

 

Secondly, I notice a possible problem in the example= s in section 7.1/7.2.

 

In current (expired) draft, in section 7.1. we have = in the example

 

       <inter= face>

       &nbs= p; <name>eth0.1</name>

       &nbs= p; <type>ianaift:l2vlan</type>

       &nbs= p; <if-cmn:parent-interface>eth0</if-cmn:parent-interface>=

       &nbs= p; <if-cmn:encapsulation>

       &nbs= p;   <dot1q-vlan

       &nbs= p;    xmlns=3D"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-if-l3-v= lan">

       &nbs= p;     <outer-tag>

       &nbs= p;       <tag-type>dot1q-types:s-vlan&l= t;/tag-type>

       &nbs= p;       <vlan-id>10</vlan-id>

       &nbs= p;     </outer-tag>

 

The type of of eth0.1 interface is defined as a l2vl= an.

 

L2vlan is defined in RFC 7224 as follows, which mean= s that l2vlan does not derive from ethernetCsmacd nor ieee8023adLag nor ethSubInte= rface:

identity l2vlan {
       base =
iana-interface-type;
       descr=
iption
       =
  "Layer 2 Virtual LAN using 802.1Q.";

     }


 


 


However in the current (expired) draft, 
ietf-if-l3-vlan@2019-03-05.yang says


     /*


      * Add suppo=
rt for the 802.1Q VLAN encapsulation syntax on layer 3

      * terminate=
d VLAN sub-interfaces.


      */


     augment "/if=
:interfaces/if:interface/if-cmn:encapsulation/" +


       =
      "if-cmn:encaps-type" {<=
/span>


       when<=
o:p>


        =
;   "derived-from-or-self(../if:type,=



       =
            &nb=
sp;            =
 'ianaift:ethernetCsmacd') or


       =
     derived-from-or-self(../if:type,=



       =
            &nb=
sp;            =
 'ianaift:ieee8023adLag') or


       =
     derived-from-or-self(../if:type,=



       =
            &nb=
sp;            =
 'if-cmn:ethSubInterface')" {


       =
  description


       =
    "Applies only to Ethernet-like interfaces and<=
/o:p>


       =
     sub-interfaces";


       }


 


       descr=
iption


       =
  "Augment the generic interface encapsulation with an=



       =
   basic 802.1Q VLAN encapsulation for sub-interfaces.";


 


       /*


       =
 * Matches a single VLAN Id, or a pair of VLAN Ids to classify


       =
 * traffic into an L3 service.


       =
 */


       case =
dot1q-vlan {


       =
  container dot1q-vlan {


       =
    must


       =
      'count(../../if-cmn:forwarding-mode) =3D 0 o=
r ' +


       =
      'derived-from-or-self(../../if-cmn:forwardin=
g-mode,' +


       =
            &nb=
sp;            =
   '"if-cmn:layer-3-forwarding")' {

       =
        error-message<=
/pre>

       =
          "If the interfa=
ce forwarding-mode leaf is set then it


       =
           must be set to=
 an identity that derives from


       =
           layer-3-forwar=
ding";


 


       =
        description

       =
          "The forwarding=
-mode leaf on an interface can


       =
           optionally be =
used to enforce consistency of


       =
           configuration&=
quot;;


       =
      }


 


 


       =
    description


       =
      "Match VLAN tagged frames with specific=
 VLAN Ids";


       =
    container outer-tag {


       =
      must


       =
        'tag-type =3D "dot1q-types:=
s-vlan" or ' +


       =
        'tag-type =3D "dot1q-types:=
c-vlan"' {


 


       =
        error-message<=
/pre>

       =
            "On=
ly C-VLAN and S-VLAN tags can be matched";


 


       =
        description

       =
        "For IEEE 802.1Q interopera=
bility, only C-VLAN and


       =
             S-=
VLAN tags can be matched";


       =
      }


 


       =
      description


       =
        "Classifies traffic using t=
he outermost VLAN tag on the


       =
         frame.";


 


       =
      uses dot1q-types:dot1q-tag-classifier-groupi=
ng;


       =
    }


 


 


As such if the type of eth 0.1 is l2vlan should oute=
r-tag etc be available to this interface, since l2vlan would not satisfy th=
e “when” clause?


 


I believe there are similar issues for other interfa=
ces too in section 7.1/7.2 examples.


 


Warm regards,


Stephen Cheng


 
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An operation that > wipes a device for decommission is useful. Whether it is a home or > commercial device. Yes to your point. But every time I read the phrase "setting some security data/passwords to the default value" I am feeling uneasy. The notion of 'default passwords' is scary and a knob to restore default passwords even more so. Perhaps the text should say instead 'removing security credentials and restoring default security settings'. /js --=20 Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Tue Nov 5 00:10:02 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 736C5120127; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 00:10:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uPLAuPgYTkuq; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 00:09:56 -0800 (PST) Received: 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Stephen, I've just posted an updated version of this document. The document is in WGLC, and I'm hoping that I can address any outstanding = comments (including yours) over the next couple of weeks. Kind regards, Rob From: netmod On Behalf Of Stephen Cheng Sent: 05 November 2019 02:30 To: netmod@ietf.org Subject: [netmod] Mail regarding draft-ietf-netmod-sub-intf-vlan-model Authors of draft-ietf-netmod-sub-intf-vlan-model, I noticed that the draft has expired, is there any intention to publish a n= ew version in new future? Secondly, I notice a possible problem in the examples in section 7.1/7.2. In current (expired) draft, in section 7.1. we have in the example eth0.1 ianaift:l2vlan eth0 dot1q-types:s-vlan 10 The type of of eth0.1 interface is defined as a l2vlan. L2vlan is defined in RFC 7224 as follows, which means that l2vlan does not = derive from ethernetCsmacd nor ieee8023adLag nor ethSubInterface: identity l2vlan { base iana-interface-type; description "Layer 2 Virtual LAN using 802.1Q."; } However in the current (expired) draft, ietf-if-l3-vlan@2019-03-05.yang says /* * Add support for the 802.1Q VLAN encapsulation syntax on layer 3 * terminated VLAN sub-interfaces. */ augment "/if:interfaces/if:interface/if-cmn:encapsulation/" + "if-cmn:encaps-type" { when "derived-from-or-self(../if:type, 'ianaift:ethernetCsmacd') or derived-from-or-self(../if:type, 'ianaift:ieee8023adLag') or derived-from-or-self(../if:type, 'if-cmn:ethSubInterface')" { description "Applies only to Ethernet-like interfaces and sub-interfaces"; } description "Augment the generic interface encapsulation with an basic 802.1Q VLAN encapsulation for sub-interfaces."; /* * Matches a single VLAN Id, or a pair of VLAN Ids to classify * traffic into an L3 service. */ case dot1q-vlan { container dot1q-vlan { must 'count(../../if-cmn:forwarding-mode) =3D 0 or ' + 'derived-from-or-self(../../if-cmn:forwarding-mode,' + '"if-cmn:layer-3-forwarding")' { error-message "If the interface forwarding-mode leaf is set then it must be set to an identity that derives from layer-3-forwarding"; description "The forwarding-mode leaf on an interface can optionally be used to enforce consistency of configuration"; } description "Match VLAN tagged frames with specific VLAN Ids"; container outer-tag { must 'tag-type =3D "dot1q-types:s-vlan" or ' + 'tag-type =3D "dot1q-types:c-vlan"' { error-message "Only C-VLAN and S-VLAN tags can be matched"; description "For IEEE 802.1Q interoperability, only C-VLAN and S-VLAN tags can be matched"; } description "Classifies traffic using the outermost VLAN tag on the frame."; uses dot1q-types:dot1q-tag-classifier-grouping; } As such if the type of eth 0.1 is l2vlan should outer-tag etc be available = to this interface, since l2vlan would not satisfy the "when" clause? I believe there are similar issues for other interfaces too in section 7.1/= 7.2 examples. Warm regards, Stephen Cheng --_000_MN2PR11MB4366D22A90968E3B5975D496B57E0MN2PR11MB4366namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Stephe= n,

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I’v= e just posted an updated version of this document.

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The docum= ent is in WGLC, and I’m hoping that I can address any outstanding com= ments (including yours) over the next couple of weeks.

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Kind rega= rds,
Rob

&nbs= p;

&nbs= p;

From: netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org&g= t; On Behalf Of Stephen Cheng
Sent: 05 November 2019 02:30
To: netmod@ietf.org
Subject: [netmod] Mail regarding draft-ietf-netmod-sub-intf-vlan-mod= el

 

 

Au= thors  of draft-ietf-netmod-sub-intf-vlan-model,

 

I = noticed that the draft has expired, is there any intention to publish a new= version in new future?

 

Se= condly, I notice a possible problem in the examples in section 7.1/7.2.

 

In= current (expired) draft, in section 7.1. we have in the example=

 

&n= bsp;      <interface>

&n= bsp;        <name>eth0.1</name&= gt;

&n= bsp;        <type>ianaift:l2vlan&l= t;/type>

&n= bsp;        <if-cmn:parent-interface&= gt;eth0</if-cmn:parent-interface>

&n= bsp;        <if-cmn:encapsulation>=

&n= bsp;          <dot1q-vlan

&n= bsp;           xmlns=3D&q= uot;urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-if-l3-vlan">=

&n= bsp;            <= outer-tag>

&n= bsp;            = ;  <tag-type>dot1q-types:s-vlan</tag-type>

&n= bsp;            = ;  <vlan-id>10</vlan-id>

&n= bsp;            <= /outer-tag>

 

Th= e type of of eth0.1 interface is defined as a l2vlan.

 

L2= vlan is defined in RFC 7224 as follows, which means that l2vlan does not de= rive from ethernetCsmacd nor ieee8023adLag nor ethSubInte= rface:

identity l2vlan {
       base iana-interface-type;=

       description
         "Layer 2 Virtual LA=
N using 802.1Q.";
     }

 

 

Ho= wever in the current (expired) draft, ietf-if-l3-vlan@2019-03-= 05.yang says

     /*
      * Add support for the 802.1Q VLAN encapsul=
ation syntax on layer 3
      * terminated VLAN sub-interfaces.
      */
     augment "/if:interfaces/if:interface/if-cmn=
:encapsulation/" +
             =
"if-cmn:encaps-type" {
       when
           "derive=
d-from-or-self(../if:type,
            &=
nbsp;           &nbs=
p;        'ianaift:ethernetCsmacd') or
            derive=
d-from-or-self(../if:type,
            &=
nbsp;           &nbs=
p;        'ianaift:ieee8023adLag') or
            derive=
d-from-or-self(../if:type,
            &=
nbsp;           &nbs=
p;        'if-cmn:ethSubInterface')"=
; {
         description
           "Applie=
s only to Ethernet-like interfaces and
            sub-in=
terfaces";
       }
 
       description
         "Augment the generi=
c interface encapsulation with an
          basic 802.1Q VLAN =
encapsulation for sub-interfaces.";
 
       /*
        * Matches a single VLAN Id, or=
 a pair of VLAN Ids to classify
        * traffic into an L3 service.<=
o:p>
        */
       case dot1q-vlan {<=
/pre>

         container dot1q-vlan {


           must


             =
'count(../../if-cmn:forwarding-mode) =3D 0 or ' +

             =
'derived-from-or-self(../../if-cmn:forwarding-mode,' +


            &=
nbsp;           &nbs=
p;          '"if-cmn:laye=
r-3-forwarding")' {


            &=
nbsp;  error-message


            &=
nbsp;    "If the interface forwarding-mode leaf is set =
then it


            &=
nbsp;     must be set to an identity that derives from<=
o:p>


            &=
nbsp;     layer-3-forwarding";

 


            &=
nbsp;  description


            &=
nbsp;    "The forwarding-mode leaf on an interface can<=
o:p>


             =
     optionally be used to enforce consistency of<=
o:p>


            &=
nbsp;     configuration";


             =
}


 


 


           description<=
o:p>


             =
"Match VLAN tagged frames with specific VLAN Ids";


           container ou=
ter-tag {


             =
must


             =
  'tag-type =3D "dot1q-types:s-vlan" or ' +


            &=
nbsp;  'tag-type =3D "dot1q-types:c-vlan"' {


 


            &=
nbsp;  error-message


            &=
nbsp;      "Only C-VLAN and S-VLAN tags can b=
e matched";


 


            &=
nbsp;  description


            &=
nbsp;  "For IEEE 802.1Q interoperability, only C-VLAN and


            &=
nbsp;       S-VLAN tags can be matched";=



             =
}


 


             =
description


            &=
nbsp;  "Classifies traffic using the outermost VLAN tag on the


            &=
nbsp;   frame.";


 


             =
uses dot1q-types:dot1q-tag-classifier-grouping;


           }=



 


 


As=
 such if the type of eth 0.1 is l2vlan should outer-tag etc be available to=
 this interface, since l2vlan would not satisfy the “when” clau=
se?


 


I =
believe there are similar issues for other interfaces too in section 7.1/7.=
2 examples.


 


Wa=
rm regards,


St=
ephen Cheng


 
--_000_MN2PR11MB4366D22A90968E3B5975D496B57E0MN2PR11MB4366namp_-- From nobody Tue Nov 5 02:14:46 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3CDC120885 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 02:14:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J_k2hNQExhXv for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 02:14:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B9DF1200C7 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 02:14:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (unknown [173.38.220.41]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A8F4C1AE0426; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 11:14:41 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 11:14:12 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <20191105.111412.1680377809294369950.mbj@tail-f.com> To: yves.beauville@nokia.com Cc: netmod@ietf.org From: Martin Bjorklund In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mew version 6.8 on Emacs 25.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Default choice case with only empty leaf - Is this allowed ? X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 10:14:45 -0000 Hi, "Beauville, Yves (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" wrote= : > Hello, > = > In the example provided in section 7.9.3 of RFC7950, is it legal to = > redefine the default case like below? > = > =A0=A0=A0=A0 container transfer { > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 choice how { > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 default manual;=A0=A0=A0=A0 // redefined > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 case interval { > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 leaf interval { > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 type uint16; > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 units minutes; > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 default 30; > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 } > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 } > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 case daily { > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 leaf daily { > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 type empty; > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 } > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 leaf time-of-day { > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 type string; > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 units 24-hour-clock; > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 default "01.00"; > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 } > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 } > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 case manual { > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 leaf manual { > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 type empty; > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 } > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 } > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 } > =A0=A0=A0=A0 } Section 7.9.3 says: The default case is only important when considering the "default" statements of nodes under the cases (i.e., default values of leafs and leaf-lists, and default cases of nested choices). The default values and nested default cases under the default case are used if none of the nodes under any of the cases are present. So, yes it is legal, but doesn't mean anything. > What is expected to happen when an request creates the = > 'transfer' container without providing any data for the choice 'how'?= The behaviour is the same as if you didn't have the default statement in the choice. > Since an empty leaf conveys information by its presence or absence, a= nd = > cannot have a default value, is it correct to assume that the 'manual= ' = > leaf will be present, even though it was not explicitly created by th= e = > request? 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(Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:59.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/59.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04.txt X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 14:50:44 -0000 ------=_Part_1792892_710899355.1572962503799 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Qin, Good discussion. Please, see in-line. Igor On Tuesday, November 5, 2019, 3:09:53 AM EST, Qin Wu wrote: =20 =20 =20 Hi, Igor: =20 =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Igor Bryskin [mailto:i_bryskin@yahoo.com] =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2019=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 3:= 06 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Qin Wu ; netmod@ietf.org; = draft-bryskin-netconf-automation-yang@ietf.org; Lou Berger =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang@ietf.org =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: I-D Action: draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04.txt =20 =C2=A0 =20 Hi Qin, =20 =C2=A0 =20 Thanks for the effort. =20 =C2=A0 =20 My general question is=C2=A0 what is the ultimate objective/ambition of thi= s work? Is it =20 =C2=A0 =20 1. Modeling the imperative policy style network automation as stipulated by= the SUPA framework =20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 or =20 2. Event scoping of PUSH machinery =20 =C2=A0 =20 If 2. is the case, it would certainly make sense and might prove useful for= many use cases. However, in this case you have neither reason nor right to= use well understood abbreviation ECA, nor to refer to the SUPA documents. = Neither it would make any sense to merge our contributions IMHO =20 =C2=A0 =20 If 1. is the case, then =20 here is our comments/suggestions as to how the work should in our opinion e= volve going forward: =20 =C2=A0 =20 [Qin]:Good question, I think we mostly focus on modelling imperative policy= in which ECA is a typical example of ECA model. In addition, we see Event = scoping of PUSH machinery is a special case of ECA without Action to be spe= cified. We clarified the relation with YANG Push, we think YAN PUSH model can be a= ugmented with some grouping defined in ECA model. So ECA model doesn=E2=80= =99t need to tie with YANG Push. IB>> True, but if we model generic ECAs, things like=C2=A0 PUSH Event scopi= ng, Smart Filters, etc. come naturally as trivial private cases. There is n= o need to focus on them. =20 =C2=A0 =20 1.The Expression clause in an ECA could be very complex and hence requires = a complex syntax to articulate. To address this in our contribution (https:= //datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bryskin-netconf-automation-yang/) we propo= sed two methods: =20 a) When configuring Condition using XPath expression string. This allows ex= pressing Conditions of arbitrary complexity, but does require servers to (s= ufficiently) support XPath language; =20 [Qin]:XPATH expression is supported in model proposed in draft-wwx, it is m= odelled as one of member of union, i.e., instance-identifier, in addition, = we support model three other member types Type yang:object-identifier; Type yang:uuid; Type string IB>> Good. Please, note that we were told on many occasions that because of= potentiality very complex syntax of the ECA Condition clause, the XPath ex= pression string is realistically the only choice, all alternatives are intr= oduced for model completeness more than anything else - too cumbersome to b= e useful. =20 b) For the case of simpler servers we defined elementary logical primitives= that could be used in building bottom up in hierarchical manner complex lo= gical expressions =20 =C2=A0 =20 [Qin]: I believe you are talking about Condition Expression, which is corre= sponding to ietf-trigger.yang defined in draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04. We= model them as three trigger conditions =20 1.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0An existence test monitors and manage= s the absence, presence, and change of a data object =20 2.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0A Boolean test compares the value of = the monitored object with the reference value and takes action according to= the comparison result. =20 3.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0A Threshold trigger condition regular= ly compares compares the value of the monitored object with the threshold v= alues. In each trigger condition, we will break down them into policy variable an= d policy value based on RFC3460, policy variable is renamed as target, poli= cy value is renamed as value in proposed ECA model IB>> IMHO this is not=C2=A0 sufficient, not even close. I feel you change the meaning of policy variable, since in bryskin=E2=80= =99s draft, policy variable is described as an output parameter of an RPC w= hich is not consistent with the definition in RFC3460, in my opinion. IB>> No, I have not. In our definition a PV is a variable where an ECA thre= ad stores results of computations and output of algorithms/RPCs, so that th= e results could be used within a single thread or between multiple threads = of the same or different ECAs, could provide input for automatic re-configu= rations and RPCs, could be used in Condition evaluations, could be exposed = directly to the client via notifications, etc. In short, this is the place = where ECAs store and accumulate the results of their work=20 =C2=A0 =20 2. Your model seems to suggest for ECA Action=C2=A0 not much more than PUSH= ing a notification (triggered by a certain event and satisfying the configu= red condition) to the client with the hope that the client will subsequentl= y request some device/network re-configurations ro react to the event. =20 =C2=A0 =20 [Qin]:Igor, the ECA action proposed in the model of draft-wwx-netmod-event-= yang-04 can do more than PUSHing a notification, it have supported the foll= owing capabilities: 1)Configuration data object reconfiguration IB>> Good, but keep in mind that the parameters of such configurations coul= d not be limited to values specified by the client at the time of ECA confi= guration ( such values we call Policy Constants (PCs)). It is imperative to= allow for the results of the ECA thread computations to be also used as va= lues to configure (i.e. PVs along with PCs)=20 2) ECA Log report Notification 3)Invoke another Event=20 IB>> 2) and 3) are (albeit important) auxiliary functions, rather than ECA= Actions, strictly speaking =20 It can be extended to support more advanced features if needed. =20 =C2=A0 =20 There are situations, however, when the said re-configurations must be appl= ied immediately after the event detection with no time to loose on network-= client communications. Furthermore, there are cases when the necessary re-= configurations are known a priory (at the time of the ECA configuration), a= nd the client may want to pre-configure them along with configuring=C2=A0 t= he ECA's Event and Condition, and then rely on what we call close loop netw= ork automation, rather than to be involved in device/network micro manageme= nt in real time. To this end our contribution suggests the flowing ECA Acti= on configuration options: =20 a) Network re-configuration (in the form of per-configured Netconf edit con= fig statements); [Qin]: We support this. =20 b) PUSHing notifications to the client (the same as you suggest) [Qin]: Cor= rect. =20 c) Enabling/disabling notification streams (pre-configured as PUSH subscrip= tions); [Qin]: Do you propose to allow netconf server send notif to the cli= ent and instruct client to enable or disable notification stream or the net= work server can enable or disable some =20 event stream and inform the client the result? =20 d) Invoking local network intelligence (configured as YANG RPCs defined in = supported by the server YANG models). For example, calling local TE path co= mputation (defined as Path Computation RPC by the te-tunnel=C2=A0 or Path C= omputation model) could be configured within ECA as Action in order to disc= over more optimal path for a TE tunnel after the configured Event is fired. [Qin]: Usually the RPC is sent from NETCONF client to NETCONF server ,do y= ou propose the other way around and allow the netconf server send RPC reque= st to the NETCONF client? I am not sure we can do this IB>> No, this is about instructing the serer to invoke=C2=A0 its local inte= lligence with the identity and input/output of which=C2=A0 articulated by t= he client (as ECA Action) in the form of an RPC defined in a YANG model sup= ported by the server. Think about it this way: when the client per-configur= es an automatic re-configuration, it does so in the form of edit-config NET= CONF command, that is, in the form of a native NETCONF RPC. We simply exten= d this to allow for specifying RPCs defined by YANG models (e.g. Path Compu= tation RPC). In addition, when we talk about how to use ECA model, are we focusing =C2= =A0using ECA model in the external interface between NMS and router or are = you focusing on using ECA model as internal script to manipulate service lo= gic? IB>> The latter. This is what pushing (imperative or declarative) policies = down to the network server usually means. =20 =C2=A0 =20 3. Evaluation of ECA Conditions, as well as input to ECA Actions may requir= e not just instantaneous network states, but also accumulation/computation = of thereof over periods of time (e.g. min/max/mean leaf values, history dat= a, threshold overstep counters, results of various functions/computations/a= lgorithms performed on network states over time, etc.) Hence there is a nee= d for storage of intermediate results of such computations. Our contributio= n introduces such storage in the form of Policy Variables (PVs). PVs could = be part of Condition expressions, as well as Action inputs along with insta= nt network states. PVs also could appear in notifications PUSHed to the cli= ent. =20 =C2=A0 =20 =C2=A0 =20 [Qin]: If you followshttps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bwd-netmod-eca-frame= work-00 =20 You will see we have already considered what state needs to be held, curren= t state and history state, and where this state is held. =20 Basic state of ECA include: Event Name, event occurrence time, start time, = end time, threshold value, etc. I think it is challenging to store all the states and it adds complexity o= f server implantation. IB>> No, I am talking about defining /pushing by the client and executing b= y the server arbitrary logic in the form of ECAs. This logic, for example, = may instruct the server how to recover from various network failures under = extreme time constraints. It may also instruct the server how to identify a= nd report "interesting" for the client=C2=A0 events and data, rather than s= tream raw data=C2=A0 99% of which to be parched, evaluated and discarded as= uninteresting=20 =20 =C2=A0 =20 4. Notifications triggered by ECA s require definition beyond what is defin= ed by PUSH models, so that the notifications could be properly associated b= y the client with a given execution of a given ECA.=C2=A0 Said definition c= ould be found in https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bryskin-netconf-aut= omation-yang/. =20 =C2=A0 [Qin]:Good, we also provide a few use cases in the section 4 of draft-bwd-= netmod-eca-framework-00 to discuss how notification is sent to the NMS to t= rigger another ECA policy execution, we also could support One event invoke= another event, depends on use cases, IB>> Note that ECAs is not about intense communication between the client a= nd the server, rather, quite the opposite - it is about pushing ECAs down t= o the server and let the server perform the instructed event driven network= management=20 =20 The use case we like to aim at is service assurance use case and network tr= oubleshooting self-management use case. =20 =C2=A0 =20 We have more points to discuss, but what is above is a good starting point. =20 =C2=A0 =20 Regards, Igor (and Xufeng) =20 =C2=A0 =20 =C2=A0 =20 =C2=A0 =20 On Saturday, November 2, 2019, 10:33:40 AM EDT, Lou Berger wrote: =20 =C2=A0 =20 =C2=A0 =20 Qin, =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Thanks for the update. To answer your question as well as respond to the related thread, as chair, I generally think it best to adopt once there is consensus in the WG on a direction to take with respect to the topic covered by a draft. That is not to say that a fully formed or documented solution is required at adoption but that if there are several different approaches available, that the adopted work reflects the direction that the WG will pursue. In this case, the current rev is certainly a step in that direction, but the WG still as two different basic approaches available to it in this draft and draft-bryskin-netconf-automation-yang.=C2=A0 I personally always prefer it when individual draft authors can find common ground and come to the WG with a single (unified) proposal rather than ask the working group to choose one over the other.=C2=A0 I'm not sure who among the author= s will be in Singapore, but perhaps the authors can take the opportunity to meet to discuss the possibly of such a unified proposal as well report back to the working group on their progress/status.=C2=A0 Time permitting, we should at least hear a summary of each approach so that if a unified approach is not proposed that the WG is better informed on the proposals. Cheers, Lou =20 On 11/1/19 11:02 PM, Qin Wu wrote: > v-04 is posted to address chairs' comments,=20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04 > the main changes include: >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 o=C2=A0 Add text in introduction section to clarify the usag= e examples of >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ECA policy >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 o=C2=A0 Update objective section to align with use cases. >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 o=C2=A0 Clarify the relationship between target and policy v= ariable. >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 o=C2=A0 Change variation trigger condition back into thresho= ld trigger >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 condition and clarify the usage of three trigger cond= itions. >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 o=C2=A0 Remove Event MIB related section. >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 o=C2=A0 Add new coauthors and contributors. > Chairs, what is the next step? >=20 > -Qin (on behalf of authors) >=20 > -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6----- > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: I-D-Announce [mailto:i-d-announce-bounces@ie= tf.org]=E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8internet-drafts@ietf.org > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2019=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=882=E6=97=A5 = 10:57 > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:i-d-announce@ietf.org > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: I-D Action: draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04.txt >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct= ories. >=20 >=20 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : A YA= NG Data model for ECA Policy Management >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : Michael W= ang >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Qin Wu >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Chongfeng Xie >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Igor Bryskin >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Xufeng Liu >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Alexander Clemm >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Henk Birkholz >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Tianran Zhou > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-wwx-netmod= -event-yang-04.txt > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : 32 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : 2019-1= 1-01 >=20 > Abstract: >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 RFC8328 defines a policy-based management framework that all= ow >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 definition of a data model to be used to represent high-leve= l, >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 possibly network-wide policies.=C2=A0 Policy discussed in RF= C8328 are >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 classified into imperative policy and declarative policy, EC= A policy >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 is an typical example of imperative policy.=C2=A0 This docum= ent defines an >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 YANG data model for the ECA policy management.=C2=A0 The ECA= policy YANG >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 provides the ability for the network management function (wi= thin a >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 controller, an orchestrator, or a network element) to contro= l the >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 configuration and monitor state change on the network elemen= t and >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 take simple and instant action when a trigger condition on t= he system >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 state is met. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang/ >=20 > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submiss= ion until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.= ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt >=20 =20 ------=_Part_1792892_710899355.1572962503799 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Qin,

Good discussion. Please, see in-line.

Igor

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On Tuesday, November 5, 2019, 3:09:53 AM EST, Qin Wu &l= t;bill.wu@huawei.com> wrote:


Hi, Igor:

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=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Igor Bryskin [mailto:i_b= ryskin@yahoo.com]
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9= =97=B4: 2019=E5=B9=B4= 11=E6=9C=885=E6=97= =A5 3:06
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.com>; netmod@ietf.org; draft-= bryskin-netconf-automation-yang@ietf.org; Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net&g= t;
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang@ietf.org
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: I-D Action: draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04.txt=20

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Hi Qin,

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Thanks for the effort.

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My general question is  what is the ultimate obje= ctive/ambition of this work? Is it

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1. Modeling the imperative policy style network automa= tion as stipulated by the SUPA framework

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         = or

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2. Event scoping of PUSH machinery

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If 2. is the case, it would certainly make sense and m= ight prove useful for many use cases. However, in this case you have neithe= r reason nor right to use well understood abbreviation ECA, nor to refer to the SUPA documents. Neither i= t would make any sense to merge our contributions IMHO

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If 1. is the case, then

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here is our comments/suggestions as to how the work sh= ould in our opinion evolve going forward:

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[Qin]:Good question, I think we mostly focus on modell= ing imperative policy in which ECA is a typical example of ECA model. In ad= dition, we see Event scoping of PUSH machinery is a special case of ECA without Action to be sp= ecified.

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We clarified the relation with YANG Push, we th= ink YAN PUSH model can be augmented with some grouping defined in ECA model= . So ECA model doesn=E2=80=99t need to tie with YANG Push.



IB>= ;> True, but if we model generic ECAs, things like  PUSH Event scop= ing, Smart Filters, etc. come naturally as trivial private cases. There is = no need to focus on them.
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1.The Expression clause in an ECA could be very comple= x and hence requires a complex syntax to articulate. To address this in our= contribution (h= ttps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bryskin-netconf-automation-yang/) we proposed two methods:

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a) When configuring Condition using XPath expression s= tring. This allows expressing Conditions of arbitrary complexity, but does = require servers to (sufficiently) support XPath language;

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[Qin]:XPATH expression is supported in model proposed = in draft-wwx, it is modelled as one of member of union, i.e., instance-iden= tifier, in addition, we support model three other member types

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Type yang:object-iden=
tifier;
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Type yang:uuid;
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Type string

I= B>> Good. Please, note that we were told on many occasions that becau= se of potentiality very complex syntax of the ECA Condition clause, the XPa= th expression string is realistically the only choice, all alternatives are= introduced for model completeness more than anything else - too cumbersome= to be useful.
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b) For the case of simpler servers we defined elementa= ry logical primitives that could be used in building bottom up in hierarchi= cal manner complex logical expressions

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[Qin]: I believe you are talking about Condition Expre= ssion, which is corresponding to ietf-trigger.yang defined in draft-wwx-net= mod-event-yang-04. We model them as three trigger conditions

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1.  =      An ex= istence test monitors and manages the absence, presence, and change of a da= ta object

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2.  =      A Boo= lean test compares the value of the monitored object with the reference val= ue and takes action according to the comparison result.

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3.  =      A Thr= eshold trigger condition regularly compares compares the value of the monit= ored object with the threshold values.

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In each trigger condition, we will break down them i= nto policy variable and policy value based on RFC3460, policy variable is r= enamed as target, policy value is renamed as value in proposed ECA model

IB>> IMHO this = is not  sufficient, not even close.
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I feel you change the=
 meaning of policy variable, since in bryskin=E2=80=99s draft, policy varia=
ble is described as an output parameter of an RPC which is not consistent w=
ith the definition in RFC3460, in my opinion.

IB>> No, I have =
not. In our definition a PV is a variable where an ECA thread stores result=
s of computations and output of algorithms/RPCs, so that the results could =
be used within a single thread or between multiple threads of the same or d=
ifferent ECAs, could provide input for automatic re-configurations and RPCs=
, could be used in Condition evaluations, could be exposed directly to the =
client via notifications, etc. In short, this is the place where ECAs store=
 and accumulate the results of their work=20

  
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2. Your model seems to suggest for ECA Action  no=
t much more than PUSHing a notification (triggered by a certain event and s=
atisfying the configured condition)
 to the client with the hope that the client will subsequently request some=
 device/network re-configurations ro react to the event.

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[Qin]:Igor, the ECA action proposed in the model of dr=
aft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04 can do more than PUSHing a notification, it ha=
ve supported the
 following capabilities:
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1)Configurati=
on data object reconfiguration


IB>> Good, bu=
t keep in mind that the parameters of such configurations could not be limi=
ted to values specified by the client at the time of ECA configurati=
on ( such values we call Policy Constants (PCs)). It is imperative to allow=
 for the results of the ECA thread computations to be also used as values t=
o configure (i.e. PVs along with PCs)
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2) ECA Log report Notification
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3)Invoke another Even=
t 

IB>> 2) and 3) are (albeit important) auxiliary  functions,=
 rather than ECA Actions, strictly speaking
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It can be extended to support more advanced features i=
f needed.
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There are situations, however, when the said re-config=
urations must be applied immediately after the event detection with no time=
 to loose on network- client
 communications. Furthermore, there are cases when the necessary re-configu=
rations are known a priory (at the time of the ECA configuration), and the =
client may want to pre-configure them along with configuring  the ECA'=
s Event and Condition, and then rely
 on what we call close loop network automation, rather than to be involved =
in device/network micro management in real time. To this end our contributi=
on suggests the flowing ECA Action configuration options:
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a) Network re-configuration (in the form of per-config=
ured Netconf edit config statements); [Qin]:=
 We support this.
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b) PUSHing notifications to the client (the same as yo=
u suggest) [Qin]: Correct.
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c) Enabling/disabling notification streams (pre-config=
ured as PUSH subscriptions); [Qin]: Do you p=
ropose to allow netconf server
 send notif to the client and instruct client to enable or disable notifica=
tion stream or the network server can enable or disable some<=
/p>=20

event stream and inform the client the result?<=
/p>=20





d) Invoking local network intelligence (configured as =
YANG RPCs defined in supported by the server YANG models). For example, cal=
ling local TE path computation
 (defined as Path Computation RPC by the te-tunnel  or Path Computatio=
n model) could be configured within ECA as Action in order to discover more=
 optimal path for a TE tunnel after the configured Event is fired.=20

[Qin]: Usually the RPC is sent from NETCONF client t=
o NETCONF server ,do you propose the other way around and allow the netconf=
 server send RPC request
 to the NETCONF client? I am not sure we can do this

IB>> No, this is about instructin=
g the serer to invoke  its local intelligence with the identity and in=
put/output of which  articulated by the client (as ECA Action) in the =
form of an RPC defined in a YANG model supported by the server. Think about=
 it this way: when the client per-configures an automatic re-configuration,=
 it does so in the form of edit-config NETCONF command, that is, in the for=
m of a native NETCONF RPC. We simply extend this to allow for specifying RP=
Cs defined by YANG models (e.g. Path Computation RPC).


=
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In addition, when we talk about how to use ECA model=
, are we focusing  using ECA model in the external interface between N=
MS and router or are you
 focusing on using ECA model as internal script to manipulate service logic=
?

IB>> The latter. This is wha=
t pushing (imperative or declarative) policies down to the network server u=
sually means.
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3. Evaluation of ECA Conditions, as well as input to E=
CA Actions may require not just instantaneous network states, but also accu=
mulation/computation of thereof
 over periods of time (e.g. min/max/mean leaf values, history data, thresho=
ld overstep counters, results of various functions/computations/algorithms =
performed on network states over time, etc.) Hence there is a need for stor=
age of intermediate results of such
 computations. Our contribution introduces such storage in the form of Poli=
cy Variables (PVs). PVs could be part of Condition expressions, as well as =
Action inputs along with instant network states. PVs also could appear in n=
otifications PUSHed to the client.
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[Qin]: If you follows
https://tools.ietf.org/htm=
l/draft-bwd-netmod-eca-framework-00
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You will see we have already considered what state nee=
ds to be held, current state and history state, and where this state is hel=
d.
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Basic state of ECA include: Event Name, event occurren=
ce time, start time, end time, threshold value, etc.
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I think it is challenging to store all the states an=
d it adds complexity of server implantation.
=

IB>> No, I am talking abou=
t defining /pushing by the client and executing by the server arbitrary log=
ic in the form of ECAs. This logic, for example, may instruct the server ho=
w to recover from various network failures under extreme time constraints. =
It may also instruct the server how to identify and report "interesting" fo=
r the client  events and data, rather than stream raw data  99% o=
f which to be parched, evaluated and discarded as uninteresting 
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/div>
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4. Notifications triggered by ECA s require definition=
 beyond what is defined by PUSH models, so that the notifications could be =
properly associated by the client
 with a given execution of a given ECA.  Said definition could be foun=
d in 
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bryskin-netconf-automation-yang/=
.
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[Qin]:Good, we also provide a few use cases in the s=
ection 4 of draft-bwd-netmod-eca-framework-00 to discuss how notification i=
s sent to the NMS
 to trigger another ECA policy execution, we also could support One event i=
nvoke another event, depends on use cases,
IB>> Note that ECAs is not about intense communication between=
 the client and the server, rather, quite the opposite - it is about pushin=
g ECAs down to the server and let the server perform the instructed event d=
riven network management 
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The use case we like to aim at is service assurance us=
e case and network troubleshooting self-management use case.
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We have more points to discuss, but what is above is a=
 good starting point.
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Regards,

Igor (and Xufeng)
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On Saturday, November 2, 2019, 10:33:40 AM EDT, Lou Be= rger <lberger@labn.net> wrote:

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Qin,
    Thanks for the update.

To answer your question as well as respond to the related thread, as
chair, I generally think it best to adopt once there is consensus in the WG on a direction to take with respect to the topic covered by a draft.
That is not to say that a fully formed or documented solution is
required at adoption but that if there are several different approaches
available, that the adopted work reflects the direction that the WG will pursue.

In this case, the current rev is certainly a step in that direction, but the WG still as two different basic approaches available to it in this
draft and draft-bryskin-netconf-automation-yang.  I personally always<= br clear=3D"none"> prefer it when individual draft authors can find common ground and come
to the WG with a single (unified) proposal rather than ask the working
group to choose one over the other.  I'm not sure who among the author= s
will be in Singapore, but perhaps the authors can take the opportunity
to meet to discuss the possibly of such a unified proposal as well
report back to the working group on their progress/status.  Time
permitting, we should at least hear a summary of each approach so that
if a unified approach is not proposed that the WG is better informed on
the proposals.

Cheers,
Lou

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On 11/1/19 11:02 PM, Qin Wu wrote:
> v-04 is posted to address chairs' comments,
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04 > the main changes include:
>    o  Add text in introduction section to clarify the u= sage examples of
>      ECA policy
>    o  Update objective section to align with use cases.=
>    o  Clarify the relationship between target and polic= y variable.
>    o  Change variation trigger condition back into thre= shold trigger
>      condition and clarify the usage of three trigger c= onditions.
>    o  Remove Event MIB related section.
>    o  Add new coauthors and contributors.
> Chairs, what is the next step?
>
> -Qin (on behalf of authors)
>
> -----=E9=82=AE= =E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6-----
> =E5=8F=91=E4=BB= =B6=E4=BA=BA: I-D-A= nnounce [mailto:i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 internet-drafts@ietf.org
> =E5=8F= =91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2019=E5= =B9=B411=E6=9C=882=E6=97=A5 10:57
> =E6=94=B6=E4=BB= =B6=E4=BA=BA: i-d-announce@ietf.org
> =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2= =98: I-D Action: dr= aft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04.txt
>
>
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts dir= ectories.
>
>
>        Title          : A= YANG Data model for ECA Policy Management
>        Authors        : Michae= l Wang
>                    &= nbsp;     Qin Wu
>                    &= nbsp;     Chongfeng Xie
>                    &= nbsp;     Igor Bryskin
>                    &= nbsp;     Xufeng Liu
>                    &= nbsp;     Alexander Clemm
>                    &= nbsp;     Henk Birkholz
>                    &= nbsp;     Tianran Zhou
>     Filename        : draft-wwx-net= mod-event-yang-04.txt
>     Pages          : 32
>     Date            : 201= 9-11-01
>
> Abstract:
>    RFC8328 defines a policy-based management framework that = allow
>    definition of a data model to be used to represent high-l= evel,
>    possibly network-wide policies.  Policy discussed in= RFC8328 are
>    classified into imperative policy and declarative policy,= ECA policy
>    is an typical example of imperative policy.  This do= cument defines an
>    YANG data model for the ECA policy management.  The = ECA policy YANG
>    provides the ability for the network management function = (within a
>    controller, an orchestrator, or a network element) to con= trol the
>    configuration and monitor state change on the network ele= ment and
>    take simple and instant action when a trigger condition o= n the system
>    state is met.
>
>
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang/
>
> There are also htmlized versions available at:
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04 >
> A diff from the previous version is available at:
> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04
>
>
> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of subm= ission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.=
>
> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
>
> _______________________________________________
> I-D-Announce mailing list
> I-D-Announce@ietf.org
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Apologies for the late reply on action on the WG LC comments. Please see inline ... > -----Original Message----- > From: netmod On Behalf Of Qin Wu > Sent: 19 August 2019 10:23 > To: Kent Watsen ; netmod@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yang-07 >=20 > I have reviewed this document and have a few comments as follows: > 1. Suggest to add references for imported module [RW]=20 I presume that you mean: import ietf-interfaces { prefix if; reference "RFC 8343: A YANG Data Model For Interface Management"; } If so, this is now done. 2. Suggest to add a > paragraph in the section 5 to explain which common type or type in > specific module is imported [RW]=20 Please can you clarify this comment, because I'm not sure what you are requ= esting here. I've left an open issue to track this: https://github.com/ne= tmod-wg/interface-extensions-yang/issues/21 3. s/ reference "Internet draft: draft-ietf- > netmod-intf-ext-yang-07";/ reference "RFCxxxx: Common Interface Extension > YANG Data Models"; [RW]=20 I've changed the references to: revision 2019-11-04 { description "Initial revision."; reference "RFC XXXX, Common Interface Extension YANG Data Models"; } And feature carrier-delay { description "This feature indicates that configurable interface carrier delay is supported, which is a feature is used to limit the propagation of very short interface link state flaps."; reference "RFC XXXX, Section 2.1 Carrier Delay"; } 4. I am not sure L2 MTU is common attribute applicable > to all packet frame based interface, in most case, we are using L3 MTU. > >From the definition of L2 MTU > " A layer 2 MTU configuration leaf (l2-mtu) is provided to specify the > maximum size of a layer 2 frame that may be transmitted or received on an > interface. " > I am wondering this L2 MTU is related to Maximum Receive Unit defined in > RFC4638. If the answer is YES, I would suggest to rename it, but it is > still not clear whether it should be An common attribute part of ietf- > interfaces-common. > If it is No, I am wondering why L2 MTU is not augmented from IP address > management module which define common MTU attribute, also it is not clear > to me if ietf-interfaces-common Is positioned as technology specific > model? When we choose to use MTU defined in RFC8344 and when we should > choose to use L2 MTU defined in draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yang-07. > I think L3 MTU is common and widely deployed and supported by most of > implementations. But go to L2 MTU: > " > The payload MTU available to higher layer protocols is either derived fro= m > the layer 2 MTU, taking into account the size of the layer 2 header, or i= s > further restricted by explicit layer > 3 or protocol specific MTU configuration."; " > You add a lot of flexibility or multiple options, therefore I think it is > hard to implement it. [RW]=20 Some platforms define MTU in terms of L3, and derive the maximum L2 frame s= ize from that value. Other platforms define MTU in terms of L2 frame size, and derive the maximu= m L3 packet size from that value. It is also useful to be able to see (e.g. in operational state) the actual = maximum L2 frame that may be sent/received on an interface. Further, if a service is L2 based then describing the maximum L2 frame that= can be forwarded is more meaningful that describing the L3 payload of the = data that may be carried, particularly if the size of the L2 header may not= be of fixed size (e.g. depending on how many VLAN tags are configured). I've changed the name and definition of L2 MTU to: /* * Allows the maximum frame size to be configured or reported. */ leaf max-frame-size { if-feature "max-frame-size"; type uint32 { range "64 .. max"; } description "The maximum size of layer 2 frames that may be transmitted or received on the interface (including any frame header, maximum frame payload size, and frame checksum sequence). If configured, the max-frame-size also limits the maximum frame size of any child sub-interfaces. The MTU available to higher layer protocols is restricted to the maximum frame payload size, and MAY be further restricted by explicit layer 3 or protocol specific MTU configuration."; =20 reference "RFC XXXX, Section 2.5 Maximum Frame Size"; } But I'll start a separate thread to close on the l2-mtu/max-frame-size issu= e (and the others). Thanks, Rob >=20 > -Qin > -----Original Message----- > From: netmod On Behalf Of Kent Watsen > Sent: 2019. j=FAlius 10., szerda 2:15 > To: netmod@ietf.org > Subject: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yang-07 >=20 > All, >=20 > This starts a twelve-day working group last call for > draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yang-07 >=20 > The working group last call ends on July 21 (the day before the NETMOD 10= 5 > sessions). Please send your comments to the working group mailing list. >=20 > Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and believe it is > ready for publication", are welcome! 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: da9ee4cc-e65d-40ab-01e8-08d7620152c1 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 05 Nov 2019 15:03:31.7795 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 5ae1af62-9505-4097-a69a-c1553ef7840e X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: p6sdi6WMKNh3iG+7ytYJ5+VptfwsCDqtxfKKtTCvtEjN0x0IPrrx9NYN8CgKHE6adgCnrbAc36mameeykw4sVQ== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: MN2PR11MB3821 X-OriginatorOrg: cisco.com X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 173.36.7.25, xch-aln-015.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: rcdn-core-12.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] WG LC for draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yang X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 15:03:43 -0000 Hi, draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yang-08.txt should fix most of the issues raised= during the WG LC. Please can you check the diff (https://datatracker.ietf= .org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yang/history/) to ensure that your comm= ents have been correctly addressed, closed issues are tracked at https://gi= thub.com/netmod-wg/interface-extensions-yang/issues?q=3Dis%3Aissue+is%3Aclo= sed . There are still some open issues, at https://github.com/netmod-wg/interface= -extensions-yang/issues that need to be resolved, with proposed resolutions= below: 1. Do we rename "Carrier-delay". Possibly, this could be renamed to something like "link-flap-suppression" o= r "state-flap-suppression"? 2. Do we add in-pkts and out-pkts counters? Effectively, these counters would be equivalent to the sum of the in-unicas= t-pkts + in-broadcast-pkts + in-multicast-pkts. In hindsight, I wish the counters had been defined as: in-pkts, in-broadcast-pkts, in-multicast-pkts. I.e. where the broadcast an= d multicast counters are a subset of in-pkts. This approach works for inte= rfaces that don't distinguish between the types. However, I'm not sure whether adding these counters into interface extensio= ns is the right place. If we were to add these counters, I think that it w= ould be better to add them to a new revision of ietf-interfaces.yang. 3. Do we add a new "in-discards-overflow" counter? I propose that we add this counter, with the following definition: leaf in-discards-overflow { type yang:counter32; description "The number of inbound packets that could have been deliverable to a high-layer protocol but have been discarded due to lack of resources to process the packet. This counter does not change the meaning of the 'in-discards' counter, and hence discarded packets Counted against this counter MUST also be counted in the 'in-discards' counter. This counter does not include packets that are discarded due to exceeding a QoS policy, only those dropped due to resource constraints. Discontinuities in the values of this counter can occur at re-initialization of the management system, and at other times as indicated by the value of the 'discontinuity-time' leaf defined in the ietf-interfaces YANG module (RFC 8343).= "; reference "RFC 2863: The Interfaces Group MIB - ifInDiscards"; } If we add this counter for ingress, then I suggest that we also define a si= milar counter for egress as well. 4. As discussed at IETF 105, I propose adding the following discard counter= , unless there are strong objections: /* * Add discard counter for unknown sub-interface encapsulation */ augment "/if:interfaces/if:interface/if:statistics" { when "derived-from-or-self(../if:type, 'ianaift:ethernetCsmacd') or derived-from-or-self(../if:type, 'ianaift:ieee8023adLag') or derived-from-or-self(../if:type, 'ianaift:ifPwType')" { description "Applies to interfaces that can demux to sub-interfaces"; } if-feature "sub-interfaces"; description "Augment the interface model statistics with a sub-interface demux discard counter."; leaf in-discard-unknown-encaps { type yang:counter64; units frames; description "A count of the number of frames that were well formed, but otherwise discarded because their encapsulation does not classify to the interface or any child sub-interface. E.g., a packet might be discarded because the it has an unknown VLAN Id, or does not have a VLAN Id when one is expected. For consistency, frames counted against this counter are also counted against the IETF interfaces statistics. In particular, they are included in in-octets and in-discards, but are not included in in-unicast-pkts, in-multicast-pkts or in-broadcast-pkts, because they are not delivered to a higher layer. Discontinuities in the values of this counter can occur at re-initialization of the management system, and at other times as indicated by the value of the 'discontinuity-time' leaf defined in the ietf-interfaces YANG module (RFC 8343)."; } } 5. l2-mtu leaf I've changed the name and definition from "l2-mtu" to "max-frame-size". I've changed the definition to be more encaps agnostic, so it included FCS = bytes, and doesn't have any special IEEE 802.3 VLAN definition, and increas= ed its size to uint32 to accommodate the Linux loopback MTU of 65536 bytes. The propose new text is: 2.5. Maximum frame size A maximum frame size configuration leaf (max-frame-size) is provided to specify the maximum size of a layer 2 frame that may be transmitted or received on an interface. The value includes the overhead of any layer 2 header, the maximum length of the payload, and any frame check sequence (FCS) bytes. If configured, the max- frame-size leaf on an interface also restricts the max-frame-size of any child sub-interfaces, and the available MTU for protocols. And the YANG: /* * Allows the maximum frame size to be configured or reported. */ leaf max-frame-size { if-feature "max-frame-size"; type uint32 { range "64 .. max"; } description "The maximum size of layer 2 frames that may be transmitted or received on the interface (including any frame header, maximum frame payload size, and frame checksum sequence). If configured, the max-frame-size also limits the maximum frame size of any child sub-interfaces. The MTU available to higher layer protocols is restricted to the maximum frame payload size, and MAY be further restricted by explicit layer 3 or protocol specific MTU configuration."; reference "RFC XXX, Section 2.5 Maximum Frame Size"; } Thanks for all of your review comments, Rob -----Original Message----- From: netmod On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.or= g Sent: 04 November 2019 21:40 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yang-08.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. Title : Common Interface Extension YANG Data Models Authors : Robert Wilton David Ball Tapraj Singh Selvakumar Sivaraj Filename : draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yang-08.txt Pages : 32 Date : 2019-11-04 Abstract: This document defines two YANG modules that augment the Interfaces data model defined in the "YANG Data Model for Interface Management" with additional configuration and operational data nodes to support common lower layer interface properties, such as interface MTU. The YANG modules in this document conform to the Network Management Datastore Architecture (NMDA) defined in RFC 8342. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yang/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yang-08 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yang-08 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yang-08 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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We did add a br= ief performance consideration section and a new parameter to control whethe= r or not to include origin metadata when is a comparison targ= et. We think that all open issues have been addressed and hope that the dr= aft can go to WGLC shortly. Kind regards --- Alex > -----Original Message----- > From: netmod On Behalf Of internet- > drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2019 3:54 PM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: netmod@ietf.org > Subject: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-nmda-diff-03.txt >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct= ories. > This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. >=20 > Title : Comparison of NMDA datastores > Authors : Alexander Clemm > Yingzhen Qu > Jeff Tantsura > Andy Bierman > Filename : draft-ietf-netmod-nmda-diff-03.txt > Pages : 17 > Date : 2019-11-04 >=20 > Abstract: > This document defines an RPC operation to compare management > datastores that comply with the NMDA architecture. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fdatat= rac > ker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-ietf-netmod-nmda- > diff%2F&data=3D02%7C01%7Caclemm%40futurewei.com%7C64e867439f90 > 46c07fe908d761826aab%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7 > C637085085095272379&sdata=3DngUS4O5WHqyEemzCW14DgGuE0Oa%2F2 > 3DxRQIkSoNrMwc%3D&reserved=3D0 >=20 > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftools= .ietf > .org%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-netmod-nmda-diff- > 03&data=3D02%7C01%7Caclemm%40futurewei.com%7C64e867439f9046c0 > 7fe908d761826aab%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637 > 085085095272379&sdata=3DuHvCIm73KB5gUr%2BO5jhxZcNLOtuvTuvukDd > mxLv2PWc%3D&reserved=3D0 > https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fdatat= rac > ker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-netmod-nmda-diff- > 03&data=3D02%7C01%7Caclemm%40futurewei.com%7C64e867439f9046c0 > 7fe908d761826aab%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637 > 085085095282372&sdata=3D1ClGo1IuU8181s5nuvsVwW8xG38ODWK%2FdW > O18UR0qI4%3D&reserved=3D0 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.i= etf > .org%2Frfcdiff%3Furl2%3Ddraft-ietf-netmod-nmda-diff- > 03&data=3D02%7C01%7Caclemm%40futurewei.com%7C64e867439f9046c0 > 7fe908d761826aab%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637 > 085085095282372&sdata=3DR%2F7aCNmcsvPbz2200l6BjpfG31opd7WFUjAvij > Twsl4%3D&reserved=3D0 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submiss= ion > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.i= etf > .org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fnetmod&data=3D02%7C01%7Caclemm%40fu > turewei.com%7C64e867439f9046c07fe908d761826aab%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189 > c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637085085095282372&sdata=3DYxyI19%2F > 3G0QiR8GlgXsgbDl2kW8mgZKsATFcOYO2Pe0%3D&reserved=3D0 From nobody Tue Nov 5 09:41:08 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73066120100 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 09:41:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6OoDgwC29Agp for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 09:41:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from guelah.shrubbery.net (guelah.shrubbery.net [198.58.5.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6E50120104 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 09:41:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by guelah.shrubbery.net (Postfix, from userid 7053) id F277E21B71B; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 17:41:01 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 17:41:01 +0000 From: john heasley To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=F6nw=E4lder=2C_J=FCrgen?= Cc: john heasley , "netmod@ietf.org" Message-ID: <20191105174101.GD76016@shrubbery.net> References: <157223376272.17168.5194653341767680835@ietfa.amsl.com> <20191105074206.GA11275@shrubbery.net> <20191105074711.qo4aauxxbqtnfu6h@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20191105074711.qo4aauxxbqtnfu6h@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> X-PGPkey: http://www.shrubbery.net/~heas/public-key.asc X-note: live free, or die! X-homer: i just want to have a beer while i am caring. X-Claimation: an engineer needs a manager like a fish needs a bicycle X-reality: only YOU can put an end to the embarrassment that is Tom Cruise User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.2 (2019-09-21) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-04.txt X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 17:41:06 -0000 Tue, Nov 05, 2019 at 07:47:12AM +0000, Schnwlder, Jrgen: > Yes to your point. > > But every time I read the phrase "setting some security data/passwords > to the default value" I am feeling uneasy. The notion of 'default > passwords' is scary and a knob to restore default passwords even more > so. Perhaps the text should say instead 'removing security credentials > and restoring default security settings'. Yes, I'm suggesting that this "clearing" be a requirement, even if the operator has the choice between clear "only the configuration" and "everything." "might" -> "MUST". The fine line between too vague and too much detail must be found. >>> In addition,the "factory-reset" RPC MUST restore storage to factory condition, including remove log files, remove temporary files, remove certificates, keys, etc zero passwords, The process (SHOULD|MUST) zero/pattern-write then remove sensitive files such as the TLS keys, configuration stores, etc. The RPC MAY provide an option to limit the actions to factory reset of the configuration. From nobody Tue Nov 5 09:46:49 2019 Return-Path: <0100016e3cad0d4f-b0c24a25-7d91-490b-9fb0-391fd72847de-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F676120100; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 09:46:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xDTJY1hzWEvc; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 09:46:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from a8-96.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a8-96.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.8.96]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F94312001A; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 09:46:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=6gbrjpgwjskckoa6a5zn6fwqkn67xbtw; d=amazonses.com; t=1572976004; h=From:Message-Id:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:References:Feedback-ID; bh=AS8Ex5Lf5jbjdssjGKKUeBkNluOXG2hsZ4/21dlPqo4=; b=OKn+ttL8N/t3LIUpZEmH2D8Kss28uVaQJ0fujOc04efOqg0r/Sqyb+8G0DP4tC7s TWtehr0KJRNA0a+rLuFBRkfMVa05vxGRqr3PWJQdBnbA32lW+MT4o0pP6kZ6bfLGjS6 f5tgygKS7mlLR17FQHwbbwJgBNnVGCs+GckLhDN8= From: Kent Watsen Message-ID: <0100016e3cad0d4f-b0c24a25-7d91-490b-9fb0-391fd72847de-000000@email.amazonses.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_3C3435DF-ADF0-4362-A146-7ACA89B0A1DE" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 17:46:44 +0000 In-Reply-To: <0100016e3b61749d-22a2fb2c-fff3-4e5e-8944-396b9bd69317-000000@email.amazonses.com> Cc: "netmod@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default@ietf.org" To: Qin Wu References: <0100016e3b61749d-22a2fb2c-fff3-4e5e-8944-396b9bd69317-000000@email.amazonses.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2019.11.05-54.240.8.96 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] [netconf] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 17:46:48 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_3C3435DF-ADF0-4362-A146-7ACA89B0A1DE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii - NETCONF + NETMOD > On Nov 5, 2019, at 6:44 AM, Kent Watsen wrote: >=20 > Hi Qin, >=20 >> [Qin]: The question is should rpc or factory default config or both = enable ztp? >> I think during initial zero-touch configure, it is factory default = config to enable ztp. >> In the middle of session, rpc can be used to trigger ztp process = execution. >=20 > The factory-default config enables ZTP. =20 > The RPC activates the factory-default config.=20 >=20 > K. =20 > _______________________________________________ > netconf mailing list > netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf = --Apple-Mail=_3C3435DF-ADF0-4362-A146-7ACA89B0A1DE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii - = NETCONF
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On Nov 5, 2019, at 6:44 AM, Kent Watsen = <kent+ietf@watsen.net> wrote:

Hi Qin,

[Qin]: = The question is should rpc or factory default config or both enable = ztp?
I think during = initial zero-touch configure, it is factory default config to enable = ztp.
In = the middle of session, rpc can be used to trigger ztp process = execution.

The factory-default config enables ZTP. =  
The RPC = activates the factory-default config. 

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= --Apple-Mail=_3C3435DF-ADF0-4362-A146-7ACA89B0A1DE-- From nobody Tue Nov 5 11:27:15 2019 Return-Path: <0100016e3d0902cc-d58ef1b8-7263-442b-af90-a55a2897696e-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDB33120A2B for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 11:27:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZIi3CbUW2VvG for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 11:27:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from a8-64.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a8-64.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.8.64]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 728A6120968 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 11:27:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=6gbrjpgwjskckoa6a5zn6fwqkn67xbtw; d=amazonses.com; t=1572982031; h=From:Message-Id:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:References:Feedback-ID; bh=PyqMu1qgquIsWtXf8JC0xNDCaAZ4Ls08WuyUR0hICHE=; b=MyJ/le10AkkyIGoPwP7Mp4wNBEGTaJJfYxqo/J0d5S0oSxFApwW6hmVNsvhMMYuA GrSdh+Fw3RiukxSiU9G0GWeGykBYiyGS+/eTvCmBvDVMa6glX0Dw3CHSBgy+cHRGfcB gu1+5ZUqFiD09gQO4Y4oUtERZ9h00vGvHwj4QGrU= From: Kent Watsen Message-ID: <0100016e3d0902cc-d58ef1b8-7263-442b-af90-a55a2897696e-000000@email.amazonses.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_86D74FED-75B7-4BE2-8BE6-7C5CC6E89007" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 19:27:11 +0000 In-Reply-To: <20191105174101.GD76016@shrubbery.net> Cc: Juergen Schoenwaelder , "netmod@ietf.org" To: john heasley References: <157223376272.17168.5194653341767680835@ietfa.amsl.com> <20191105074206.GA11275@shrubbery.net> <20191105074711.qo4aauxxbqtnfu6h@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> <20191105174101.GD76016@shrubbery.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2019.11.05-54.240.8.64 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-04.txt X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 19:27:14 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_86D74FED-75B7-4BE2-8BE6-7C5CC6E89007 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Yes, I'm suggesting that this "clearing" be a requirement, even if the > operator has the choice between clear "only the configuration" and > "everything." "might" -> "MUST". > > The fine line between too vague and too much detail must be found. >>> > > In addition,the "factory-reset" RPC MUST > restore storage to factory condition, including > remove log files, > remove temporary files, > remove certificates, keys, etc > zero passwords, > > > The process (SHOULD|MUST) zero/pattern-write then remove sensitive files > such as the TLS keys, configuration stores, etc. > > The RPC MAY provide an option to limit the actions to factory reset of > the configuration. Strongly agree. Kent // contributor --Apple-Mail=_86D74FED-75B7-4BE2-8BE6-7C5CC6E89007 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Yes, I'm suggesting that this "clearing" be a = requirement, even if the
operator has the choice between = clear "only the configuration" and
"everything." =  "might" -> "MUST".

The fine line = between too vague and too much detail must be found. >>>

In addition,the "factory-reset" RPC MUST
restore storage to factory condition, including
remove log files,
remove temporary files,
remove certificates, keys, etc
zero = passwords,
<insert other things>

The process (SHOULD|MUST) zero/pattern-write then remove = sensitive files
such as the TLS keys, configuration = stores, etc.

The RPC MAY provide an option = to limit the actions to factory reset of
the = configuration.


Strongly agree.

Kent // contributor

= --Apple-Mail=_86D74FED-75B7-4BE2-8BE6-7C5CC6E89007-- From nobody Tue Nov 5 16:35:49 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D931200E9 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 16:35:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M6otLVVymsAy for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 16:35:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 946D51200C3 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 16:35:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhreml702-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.107]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 80698B456CE52CE6FE3E for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 00:35:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from DGGEML403-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.3.17.33) by lhreml702-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.43) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 00:35:43 +0000 Received: from DGGEML531-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.5.209]) by DGGEML403-HUB.china.huawei.com ([fe80::74d9:c659:fbec:21fa%31]) with mapi id 14.03.0439.000; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 08:35:39 +0800 From: Qin Wu To: "Rob Wilton (rwilton)" , Kent Watsen , "netmod@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yang-07 Thread-Index: AdWUOhsnS9Ynxxr+RRmGSIH1ilPXsg== Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 00:35:40 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.134.31.203] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yang-07 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2019 00:35:47 -0000 2. Suggest to add a > paragraph in the section 5 to explain which common type or type in=20 > specific module is imported [RW]=20 Please can you clarify this comment, because I'm not sure what you are requ= esting here. I've left an open issue to track this: https://github.com/ne= tmod-wg/interface-extensions-yang/issues/21 [Qin]: See 1st paragraph, section 4 of RFC8344 as an example. 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Suggest to add a >> paragraph in the section 5 to explain which common type or type in=20 >> specific module is imported > [RW]=20 >=20 > Please can you clarify this comment, because I'm not sure what you are = requesting here. I've left an open issue to track this: = https://github.com/netmod-wg/interface-extensions-yang/issues/21 >=20 > [Qin]: See 1st paragraph, section 4 of RFC8344 as an example. [mj] You mean to say that the draft should specify which RFCs the module = imports typedefs from, and which RFCs it references in the model = somewhere in the draft. For example, it imports ietf-yang-types and = therefore should refer to RFC 6991 somewhere in the draft (but outside = the model). Right? >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com From nobody Tue Nov 5 17:03:06 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49D1A1200E9 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 17:03:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 68au_QPSU6f4 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 17:02:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A423120C0E for ; 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=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: netmod [mailto= :netmod-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED Kent Watsen
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4:<= /span> 2019=C4=EA11=D4=C26=C8=D5 3:27
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: john heasley <heas@shrubbery.net>
=B3=AD=CB=CD: netmod@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-04.txt

 



Yes, I'm suggesting that this &= quot;clearing" be a requirement, even if the
operator has the choice between clear "only the configuration" an= d
"everything."  "might" -> "MUST".

The fine line between too vague and too much detail must be found. >>= >

In addition,the "factory-reset" RPC MUST
restore storage to factory condition, including
remove log files,
remove temporary files,
remove certificates, keys, etc
zero passwords,
<insert other things>

The process (SHOULD|MUST) zero/pattern-write then remove sensitive files such as the TLS keys, configuration stores, etc.

[Qin]: Okay, here is the my proposed change:<= o:p>

OLD TEXT:

=A1=B0

In addition, the "factory-reset" RP= C might also be used to trigger

some other restoring and resetting tasks such= as files cleanup,

restarting the node or some of the SW process= es, or setting some

security data/passwords to the default value,= removing logs, removing

any temporary data (from datastore or elsewhe= re) etc.  When and why

these tasks are triggered is not the scope of= this document.

=A1=B1

NEW TEXT:

=A1=B0

In addition, the "factory-reset" RP= C MUST restore storage to factory condition,

including remove log files, remove temporary = files (from datastore or elsewhere).

It MUST also remove security credentials and = restoring default security settings including

remove certificates, keys, zero passwords, et= c. The process invoked by the "factory-reset"

RPC SHOULD zero/pattern-write than remove sen= sitive files such as the TLS keys, configuration

stores, etc. The RPC MAY also be used to trig= ger some other resetting tasks such as restarting

the node or some of the software processes, a= ctivating the factory-default config which in turn

enables zero touch provision (ZTP).

=A1=B1

If you have better text, feel free to share.<= o:p>


The RPC MAY provide an option to limit the actions to factory reset of
the configuration.

[Qin]: we have add  nacm:default-deny-al= l on RPC we proposed. Security section will be enhanced

Based on Andy=A1=AFs comment in the separate = email.

 

Strongly agree.

 

Kent // contributor<= /span>

 

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Did you miss this email? /martin ----Next_Part(Wed_Nov__6_10_30_00_2019_074)-- Content-Type: Message/Rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on metgos.tail-f.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, RP_MATCHES_RCVD,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID,T_HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Original-To: mbj@tail-f.com Delivered-To: mbj@tail-f.com Received: from mail.ietf.org (mail.ietf.org [4.31.198.44]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E80241AE0981; Thu, 22 Aug 2019 22:15:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A49C120C4C; Thu, 22 Aug 2019 13:15:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ietf.org; s=ietf1; t=1566504906; bh=CCK7qyU4TrJ3XajABvf2Y8IGmRawJ9wbVZoskO7sD54=; h=Date:To:From:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-Id: List-Unsubscribe:List-Archive:List-Post:List-Help:List-Subscribe; b=SCO20wNs3L+UL3RNx2kyFeJ69xlqdqgMAnhIM5X4CvdVTRe4qBX9DEkjaaVqplOMF kwG/n23PgrP3rxUOCvw02o9rl6YbKtFmL3ZUc3nZr/TIBXMW9RMOK6Qzj+Ie1CdiKD z0Ua10SkgfyuM8V/SmxzO7DiHajoVTcME2E/O5ow= X-Mailbox-Line: From netmod-bounces@ietf.org Thu Aug 22 13:15:03 2019 Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6FBD120C1C; Thu, 22 Aug 2019 13:15:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ietf.org; s=ietf1; t=1566504902; bh=CCK7qyU4TrJ3XajABvf2Y8IGmRawJ9wbVZoskO7sD54=; h=Date:To:From:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-Id: List-Unsubscribe:List-Archive:List-Post:List-Help:List-Subscribe; b=Wn0k9JS6GFCj1lKz6ZffN7tr69NCEzGeucA3wdREp21Ld8nYAezvU9JRjaqxIfNIg VdpxbT+CrqZZWBPGXqEyJOXSbG/3Dkx24NcWVmSV5DKuNli0Qvi4FQnVEXbSuwJpM8 /MnCELtgzM5N+lRknBlKurCw1/F7k6rcTfn4+vTI= X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB6D4120889 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2019 13:14:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id slYPGzfC3NYL for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2019 13:14:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FB8812011B for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2019 13:14:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (h-46-233.A165.priv.bahnhof.se [46.59.46.233]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 98F4E1AE0981 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2019 22:14:53 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 22:14:53 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20190822.221453.1052536475937856222.mbj@tail-f.com> To: netmod@ietf.org From: Martin Bjorklund In-Reply-To: <0100016bd93be4a2-a22ba545-c022-44d6-9188-1b51ff1effe0-000000@email.amazonses.com> References: <0100016bd93be4a2-a22ba545-c022-44d6-9188-1b51ff1effe0-000000@email.amazonses.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.7 on Emacs 25.2 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-sub-intf-vlan-model-05 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: netmod-bounces@ietf.org Sender: "netmod" X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 int cnt prob spamicity histogram 0.00 150 0.023860 0.021745 ################################################ 0.10 14 0.110273 0.030914 ##### 0.20 0 0.000000 0.030914 0.30 0 0.000000 0.030914 0.40 0 0.000000 0.030914 0.50 0 0.000000 0.030914 0.60 0 0.000000 0.030914 0.70 0 0.000000 0.030914 0.80 0 0.000000 0.030914 0.90 1 0.991605 0.056310 # Hi, Here is my (late) review of draft-ietf-netmod-sub-intf-vlan-model-05. o 1 The YANG module names are not correct; they are listed as: if-l3-vlan.yang - Defines the model for basic classification of VLAN tagged traffic to L3 transport services flexible-encapsulation.yang - Defines the model for flexible classification of Ethernet/VLAN traffic to L2 transport services Should be "ietf-if-l3-vlan" and "ietf-flexible-encapsulation". Or "ietf-if-l3-vlan" and "ietf-if-flexible-encapsulation". But I also wonder if these names should somehow be changed. What is a "l3-vlan"? And "flexible-encapsulation" sound a bit too generic. o 1.1 The text says: Sub-interface: A sub-interface is a small augmentation of a regular interface in the standard YANG module for Interface Management that represents a subset of the traffic handled by its parent interface. I think the augmentation is the YANG-realization of a sub-interface, but it is not what a sub-interface is. Also, this definition is mis-leading; it doesn't mention that a sub-interface has its own interface type and is represented as one separate entry in the interface list. I think it is better to import this term from draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yang (section 3.6) o 3 The text says: The L3 Interface VLAN model provides appropriate leaves for termination of an 802.1Q VLAN tagged segment to a sub-interface based L3 service. There is a comment in the YANG model that says the same thing. But the YANG model itself augments not only to sub-interface-based interface, but also to ethernet-like interfaces. o YANG modules Both modules lack the IETF Trust Copyright statement. We don't list WG Chairs anymore. The revision statements should be on the form: "RFC XXXX: " Many descriptions are full sentences w/o the ending ".". The modules should be indented properly; a starting point can be pyang -f yang --yang-line-length 69 o ietf-if-l3-vlan There is a comment: /* * Matches a single VLAN Id, or a pair of VLAN Ids to classify * traffic into an L3 service. */ This should be moved into a description clause. o ietf-if-l3-vlan / container dot1q-vlan The must statement has: count(../../if-cmn:forwarding-mode) = 0 This can be changed to not(../../if-cmn:forwarding-mode) which is more direct imo. The must statement's description statement seems to be a copy-and-paste error. o ietf-if-l3-vlan / container dot1q-vlan The descriptions talk about "matching frames" and "classifying traffic", but it is not described anywhere how the matching and classifying is used. (also applies to ietf-flexible-encapsulation) o ietf-if-l3-vlan / outer-tag / second-tag These names are a bit inconsistent. The description describes them as "outermost tag" and "second outermost tag". Perhaps use these names instead? (same names are found in ietf-flexible-encapsulation) o ietf-flexible-encapsulation / all features The features are described as: "This feature indicates whether the network element supports specifying flexible rewrite operations"; Should this be s/whether/that ? o ietf-flexible-encapsulation There is some descriptive text in comments that should be moved to description statements. o ietf-flexible-encapsulation The descriptions for pop/push are a bit terse. It seems to assume that readers already know what this (from somewhere) is so it doesn't need to be described. If this is intended, perhaps add a reference to where this is described. /martin _______________________________________________ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod ----Next_Part(Wed_Nov__6_10_30_00_2019_074)---- From nobody Wed Nov 6 01:36:46 2019 Return-Path: <rwilton@cisco.com> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75C851201AA for <netmod@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 01:36:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com header.b=m4QD2SWu; 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I'm working through the WG LC comments for the sub-interface VLAN Model (fr= om you, Qin, and Don). I will reply/update hopefully over the rest of this= week. I will then publish an updated revision at the beginning of IETF. Thanks, Rob > -----Original Message----- > From: Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com> > Sent: 06 November 2019 09:30 > To: Rob Wilton (rwilton) <rwilton@cisco.com> > Cc: netmod@ietf.org > Subject: Fw: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-sub-intf-vlan-model= - > 05 >=20 > Hi Rob, >=20 > You haven't replied to my WGLC email below, and it seems the issues I > brought up are not fixed in -06. 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06, 2019 at 01:29:41PM +0000, Vladimir Vassilev wrote: >=20 > [2] Some of the types are based on strings with complex lexical=20 > representation with canonical form specified in description statement=20 > which is neither scalable nor automation friendly. For example the=20 > "ethertype-type" type (just getting started): >=20 > ... from ieee802-dot1q-types@2018-03-07.yang >=20 > =A0 typedef ethertype-type { > =A0=A0=A0 type string { > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 pattern "[0-9a-fA-F]{2}-[0-9a-fA-F]{2}"; > =A0=A0=A0 } > =A0=A0=A0 description > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 "The EtherType value represented in the canonical order = defined > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 by IEEE 802. The canonical representation uses uppercase > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 characters."; > =A0=A0=A0 reference > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 "9.2 of IEEE Std 802-2014"; > =A0 } > ... >=20 > IMO typedefs (not types) with constrains specified in a description=20 > statement especially if they are not part of ietf-yang-types (RFC6991)=20 > should be avoided. Those types are bad enough even when they are defined= =20 > in ietf-yang-types e.g. "mac-address" AA:BB:CC:DD:EE:FF which is valid=20 > for rpc "input" data has to be treated as aa:bb:cc:dd:ee:ff (which is=20 > the canonical representation). The difference comes from the fact that=20 > "mac-address" is seamlessly converted to lowercase in many tools (not=20 > all). Those tools do not support the types defined in=20 > ieee802-dot1q-types in the same way. So there is no "to uppercase"=20 > seamless conversion for ethertype-type and "aB-cD" and "AA-CD" are=20 > treated as different values and you will have to figure out how your=20 > implementation can fix this on your own. typedef mac-address { type string { pattern '[0-9a-fA-F]{2}(:[0-9a-fA-F]{2}){5}'; } description "The mac-address type represents an IEEE 802 MAC address. The canonical representation uses lowercase characters. In the value set and its semantics, this type is equivalent to the MacAddress textual convention of the SMIv2."; reference "IEEE 802: IEEE Standard for Local and Metropolitan Area Networks: Overview and Architecture RFC 2579: Textual Conventions for SMIv2"; } The problem here is that two organizations have rather different preferences when it comes to uppercase and lowercase letters. =20 > IMO ietf-yang-types:mac-address (and many others=20 > ieee802-dot1q-types:ethertype-type included) can be derived from=20 > ietf-yang-types:hex-string instead of string. It would be even better if= =20 > "hex-string" is defined as a new built-in type in YANG next with an=20 > optional "width" sub-statement constraining the number of bits represente= d. >=20 > There are relevant discussions in=20 > https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-next/issues/19=A0 and=20 > https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-next/issues/46 (posted the last=20 > paragraph of this proposal there). Creating a hex-string built-in type in order to settle the debate lowercase vs. uppercase? 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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Qin, [ snipped] ........ 1.The Expression clause in an ECA could be very complex and hence require= s a complex syntax to articulate. To address this in our contribution (http= s://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bryskin-netconf-automation-yang/) we pro= posed two methods:=20 a) When configuring Condition using XPath expression string. This allows ex= pressing Conditions of arbitrary complexity, but does require servers to (s= ufficiently) support XPath language; =20 [Qin]:XPATH expression is supported in model proposed in draft-wwx, it is m= odelled as one of member of union, i.e., instance-identifier, in addition, = we support model three other member types Type yang:object-identifier; Type yang:uuid;=20 Type string =20 =C2=A0 =20 IB>> Good. Please, note that we were told on many occasions that because of= potentiality very complex syntax of the ECA Condition clause, the XPath ex= pression string is realistically the only choice, all alternatives are intr= oduced for model completeness more than anything else - too cumbersome to b= e useful. =20 =C2=A0 =20 [Qin]: Tend to agree, this is complexity we can consider to get rid of. =20 b) For the case of simpler servers we defined elementary logical primitives= that could be used in building bottom up in hierarchical manner complex lo= gical expressions=20 =20 =C2=A0 =20 [Qin]: I believe you are talking about Condition Expression, which is corre= sponding to ietf-trigger.yang defined in draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04. We= model them as three trigger conditions =20 1.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 An existence test monitors and manag= es the absence, presence, and change of a data object =20 2.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 A Boolean test compares the value of= the monitored object with the reference value and takes action according t= o the comparison result. =20 3.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 A Threshold trigger condition regula= rly compares compares the value of the monitored object with the threshold = values. =20 In each trigger condition, we will break down them into policy variable and= policy value based on RFC3460, policy variable is renamed as target, polic= y value is renamed as value in proposed ECA model =20 =C2=A0 =20 IB>> IMHO this is not=C2=A0 sufficient, not even close. =20 =C2=A0 =20 [Qin]: Actually it can be extended, the essence of trigger condition is <ta= rget><relation><arg> which is similar to <arg1><relation><arg2> in draft-br= yskin =20 would you like to provide an example which can not be expressed by these tr= igger conditions? I am open to the better design choice. IB2>>> Realistically, this is not much of a use. Imagine you are a client a= nd you have to express a condition made of some 80 logical operations. Usin= g the above would be very cumbersome. And=C2=A0 what if in addition to the = logical operations condition expression includes other operations, such as = arithmetic, function calls, etc. ?=20 =20 =C2=A0 I feel you change the meaning of policy variable, since in bryskin=E2=80= =99s draft, policy variable is described as an output parameter of an RPC w= hich is not consistent with the definition in RFC3460, in my opinion. IB>> No, I have not. In our definition a PV is a variable where an ECA thre= ad stores results of computations and output of algorithms/RPCs, so that th= e results could be used within a single thread or between multiple threads = of the same or different ECAs, could provide input for automatic re-configu= rations and RPCs, could be used in Condition evaluations, could be exposed = directly to the client via notifications, etc. In short, this is the place = where ECAs store and accumulate the results of their work=20 =C2=A0[Qin]: I thought PV is corresponding to target defined in draft-wwx, = or data object to be monitored, we will reflect the change of data object o= r target in the action definition of ECA model. I see the only difference on model design, is target or policy variable is= separated from ietf-event, or part of ietf-event. If the reason why we sho= uld have a separate policy-variable is we should store state on policy-vari= able or target, I think put policy-variable into ietf-event, you still can = store state related to policy-variable in ietf-event, No? IB2>> PV is a variable of the ECA language - i.e. a memory structure where = ECA thread execution results could be stored to be used in subsequent Condi= tion evaluations and Action inputs. In my view, PV has nothing to do with P= USH target, =20 2. Your model seems to suggest for ECA Action=C2=A0 not much more than PUSH= ing a notification (triggered by a certain event and satisfying the configu= red condition) to the client with the hope that the client will subsequentl= y request some device/network re-configurations ro react to the event. =20 =C2=A0 =20 [Qin]:Igor, the ECA action proposed in the model of draft-wwx-netmod-event-= yang-04 can do more than PUSHing a notification, it have supported the foll= owing capabilities: =20 1)Configuration data object reconfiguration =20 =C2=A0 =20 IB>> Good, but keep in mind that the parameters of such configurations coul= d not be limited to values specified by the client at the time of ECA confi= guration ( such values we call Policy Constants (PCs)). It is imperative to= allow for the results of the ECA thread computations to be also used as va= lues to configure (i.e. PVs along with PCs) =20 =C2=A0 =20 [Qin]: Yes, I have been aware that Policy constant is different from Policy= variable, Are both pointing to the same monitored data objects? I think whether it is policy constant or policy variable, it should be set= or configured only when certain conditions hold. IB2>> How do you allow the client to say "When Event E is fired, configure = leaf L with a value computed using expression X"? Our suggestion is via two= sun-Acrions associated with the ECA: first computes the expression X and s= tores it in a PV, second executes edit-config with the PV content as a valu= e. I am wondering where do you store the results of computations(e.g., mean/v= ariance) or some tempo value of monitored data object? IB2>> This is exactly what PV is for You use policy variable itself or you have somewhere else to store these t= empo results? IB2> Client defined PVs ...... [Qin]: Usually the RPC is sent from NETCONF client to NETCONF server ,do yo= u propose the other way around and allow the netconf server send RPC reques= t to the NETCONF client? I am not sure we can do this IB2>> In the context of ECA the RPC Action is request to invoke=C2=A0 *loca= l* server intelligence (such as path computation engine) that would be norm= ally invoked if the client called a YANG RPC (e.g. as defined by the Path C= omputation model). In other words it is calling by the client an RPC deferr= ed until the specified Event.=20 =C2=A0 ....... In addition, when we talk about how to use ECA model, are we focusing =C2= =A0using ECA model in the external interface between NMS and router or are = you focusing on using ECA model as internal script to manipulate service lo= gic?=20 =C2=A0 =20 IB>> The latter. This is what pushing (imperative or declarative) policies = down to the network server usually means. =20 =C2=A0[Qin]: I think both are needed to provided event driven network manag= ement, first, the management system put down ECA policy to the managed devi= ce using NETCONF interface, secondly, ECA script is generated from ECA poli= cy in the managed device. =20 3. Evaluation of ECA Conditions, as well as input to ECA Actions may requir= e not just instantaneous network states, but also accumulation/computation = of thereof over periods of time (e.g. min/max/mean leaf values, history dat= a, threshold overstep counters, results of various functions/computations/a= lgorithms performed on network states over time, etc.) Hence there is a nee= d for storage of intermediate results of such computations. Our contributio= n introduces such storage in the form of Policy Variables (PVs). PVs could = be part of Condition expressions, as well as Action inputs along with insta= nt network states. PVs also could appear in notifications PUSHed to the cli= ent. =20 =C2=A0 =20 =C2=A0 =20 [Qin]: If you followshttps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bwd-netmod-eca-frame= work-00 =20 You will see we have already considered what state needs to be held, curren= t state and history state, and where this state is held. =20 Basic state of ECA include: Event Name, event occurrence time, start time, = end time, threshold value, etc. =20 I think it is challenging to store all the states and it adds complexity of= server implantation. =20 =C2=A0 =20 IB>> No, I am talking about defining /pushing by the client and executing b= y the server arbitrary logic in the form of ECAs. This logic, for example, = may instruct the server how to recover from various network failures under = extreme time constraints. It may also instruct the server how to identify a= nd report "interesting" for the client=C2=A0 events and data, rather than s= tream raw data=C2=A0 99% of which to be parched, evaluated and discarded as= uninteresting=20 =20 [Qin]: yeah, network failure recovery and filtering unwanted data are two v= alid use cases we are aiming at also. I am fascinating on function-call you= proposed, I am wondering where you store these computation results, why no= t defined it as mathematics function, just provide input And then get output, but the problem where to store these output, in addit= ion, how many policy-argument you can support? I seems only two policy-argu= ments are supported? If we support mathematics function, you can support mo= re than two policy arguments, right? IB2>>The answer is PVs. See above. Without PVs you are limited only to inst= antaneous network states to work with. This may be sufficient for PUSH even= t scoping, but not for generic ECAs =20 =C2=A0 =20 4. Notifications triggered by ECA s require definition beyond what is defin= ed by PUSH models, so that the notifications could be properly associated b= y the client with a given execution of a given ECA.=C2=A0 Said definition c= ould be found inhttps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bryskin-netconf-auto= mation-yang/. =20 =C2=A0 =20 [Qin]:Good, we also provide a few use cases in the section 4 of draft-bwd-n= etmod-eca-framework-00 to discuss how notification is sent to the NMS to tr= igger another ECA policy execution, we also could support One event invoke = another event, depends on use cases, =20 =C2=A0 =20 IB>> Note that ECAs is not about intense communication between the client a= nd the server, rather, quite the opposite - it is about pushing ECAs down t= o the server and let the server perform the instructed event driven network= management =20 =C2=A0 =20 [Qin]: We are aligned on this core case. =20 The use case we like to aim at is service assurance use case and network tr= oubleshooting self-management use case. =20 =C2=A0 =20 We have more points to discuss, but what is above is a good starting point. =20 =C2=A0 =20 Regards, Igor (and Xufeng) =20 =C2=A0 =20 =C2=A0 =20 =C2=A0 =20 On Saturday, November 2, 2019, 10:33:40 AM EDT, Lou Berger <lberger@labn.ne= t> wrote:=20 =20 =C2=A0 =20 =C2=A0 =20 Qin, =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Thanks for the update. To answer your question as well as respond to the related thread, as chair, I generally think it best to adopt once there is consensus in the WG on a direction to take with respect to the topic covered by a draft. That is not to say that a fully formed or documented solution is required at adoption but that if there are several different approaches available, that the adopted work reflects the direction that the WG will pursue. In this case, the current rev is certainly a step in that direction, but the WG still as two different basic approaches available to it in this draft and draft-bryskin-netconf-automation-yang.=C2=A0 I personally always prefer it when individual draft authors can find common ground and come to the WG with a single (unified) proposal rather than ask the working group to choose one over the other.=C2=A0 I'm not sure who among the author= s will be in Singapore, but perhaps the authors can take the opportunity to meet to discuss the possibly of such a unified proposal as well report back to the working group on their progress/status.=C2=A0 Time permitting, we should at least hear a summary of each approach so that if a unified approach is not proposed that the WG is better informed on the proposals. Cheers, Lou =20 On 11/1/19 11:02 PM, Qin Wu wrote: > v-04 is posted to address chairs' comments,=20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04 > the main changes include: >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 o=C2=A0 Add text in introduction section to clarify the usag= e examples of >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ECA policy >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 o=C2=A0 Update objective section to align with use cases. >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 o=C2=A0 Clarify the relationship between target and policy v= ariable. >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 o=C2=A0 Change variation trigger condition back into thresho= ld trigger >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 condition and clarify the usage of three trigger cond= itions. >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 o=C2=A0 Remove Event MIB related section. >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 o=C2=A0 Add new coauthors and contributors. > Chairs, what is the next step? >=20 > -Qin (on behalf of authors) >=20 > -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6----- > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: I-D-Announce [mailto:i-d-announce-bounces@ie= tf.org]=E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8internet-drafts@ietf.org > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2019=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=882=E6=97=A5 = 10:57 > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:i-d-announce@ietf.org > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: I-D Action: draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04.txt >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct= ories. >=20 >=20 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : A YA= NG Data model for ECA Policy Management >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : Michael W= ang >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Qin Wu >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Chongfeng Xie >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Igor Bryskin >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Xufeng Liu >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Alexander Clemm >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Henk Birkholz >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Tianran Zhou > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-wwx-netmod= -event-yang-04.txt > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : 32 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : 2019-1= 1-01 >=20 > Abstract: >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 RFC8328 defines a policy-based management framework that all= ow >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 definition of a data model to be used to represent high-leve= l, >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 possibly network-wide policies.=C2=A0 Policy discussed in RF= C8328 are >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 classified into imperative policy and declarative policy, EC= A policy >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 is an typical example of imperative policy.=C2=A0 This docum= ent defines an >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 YANG data model for the ECA policy management.=C2=A0 The ECA= policy YANG >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 provides the ability for the network management function (wi= thin a >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 controller, an orchestrator, or a network element) to contro= l the >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 configuration and monitor state change on the network elemen= t and >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 take simple and instant action when a trigger condition on t= he system >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 state is met. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang/ >=20 > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submiss= ion until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.= ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt >=20 =20 ------=_Part_348021_648611532.1573052645161 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><head></head><body><div class=3D"ydpca593871yahoo-style-wrap" style= =3D"font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><div></div= > <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Hi Qin,<br><div dir=3D"ltr" = data-setdir=3D"false"><br><div>[ snipped]<br><div><br>........<br></div></d= iv></div></div><div><br></div> =20 </div><div id=3D"ydp8813a89byahoo_quoted_3704423902" class=3D"ydp88= 13a89byahoo_quoted"> <div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, s= ans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;" = lang=3D"EN-US"></span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">1.Th= e Expression clause in an ECA could be very complex and hence requires a co= mplex syntax to articulate. To address this in our contribution (<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/doc/draft-bryskin-netconf-automation-yang/" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_b= lank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bryskin-netconf-automation-yan= g/</a>) we proposed two methods:</span><div><div id=3D"ydp8813a89byiv007880= 4712"><div><div class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712WordSection1"><div id=3D"y= dp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyahoo_quoted_3793714916"><div><div><div i= d=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964"><div><div><div><div>= <div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>=20 <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">a) When configuring Condition = using XPath expression string. This allows expressing Conditions of arbitra= ry complexity, but does require servers to (sufficiently) support XPath language;</span><= /p>=20 <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">[Qin]:XPATH expression is supp= orted in model proposed in draft-wwx, it is modelled as one of member of un= ion, i.e., instance-identifier, in addition, we support model three other member types</span><span style= =3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US"></span></p>=20 <pre><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#26282A;" lang=3D"EN-US">Type ya= ng:object-identifier;</span><span style=3D"color:#26282A;" lang=3D"EN-US"><= /span></pre>=20 <pre><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#26282A;" lang=3D"EN-US">Type ya= ng:uuid;</span><span style=3D"color:#26282A;" lang=3D"EN-US"></span></pre>= =20 <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.= 5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">Type string</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" la= ng=3D"EN-US"></span></p>=20 <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.= 0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">  </span></p>=20 <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.= 0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">IB>> Good. Please, note that we were told on man= y occasions that because of potentiality very complex syntax of the ECA Con= dition clause, the XPath expression string is realistically the only choice, all alternatives are i= ntroduced for model completeness more than anything else - too cumbersome t= o be useful.</span></p>=20 <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.= 5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">  </span></p>=20 <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.= 5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">[Qin]: Tend to agree, this is complexity we can consid= er to get rid of. </span></p>=20 </div> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">b) For the case of simpler ser= vers we defined elementary logical primitives that could be used in buildin= g bottom up in hierarchical manner complex logical expressions </span></p>=20 </div> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US"> </span></p>=20 <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">[Qin]: I believe you are talki= ng about Condition Expression, which is corresponding to ietf-trigger.yang = defined in draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04. We model them as three trigger conditions</span><span style=3D"font-size:1= 0.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US"></span></p>=20 <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msolistparagrap= h" style=3D"margin-left:18.0pt;"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;" lang=3D"= EN-US">1.       An existence test monitors an= d manages the absence, presence, and change of a data object</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US"></spa= n></p>=20 <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msolistparagrap= h" style=3D"margin-left:18.0pt;"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;" lang=3D"= EN-US">2.       A Boolean test compares the v= alue of the monitored object with the reference value and takes action according to the comparison result.</span><span sty= le=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US"></span></p>=20 <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msolistparagrap= h" style=3D"margin-left:18.0pt;"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;" lang=3D"= EN-US">3.       A Threshold trigger condition= regularly compares compares the value of the monitored object with the threshold values.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" = lang=3D"EN-US"></span></p>=20 <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.= 5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">In each trigger condition, we will break down them int= o policy variable and policy value based on RFC3460, policy variable is ren= amed as target, policy value is renamed as value in proposed ECA model</span><span style= =3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US"></span></p>=20 <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.= 0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">  </span></p>=20 <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.= 0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">IB>> IMHO this is not  sufficient, not even= close.</span></p>=20 <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.= 5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">  </span></p>=20 <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.= 5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">[Qin]: Actually it can be extended, the essence of tri= gger condition is <target><relation><arg> which is simila= r to <arg1><relation><arg2> in draft-bryskin</span></p>= =20 <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.= 5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">would you like to provide an example which can not be = expressed by these trigger conditions?</span></p>=20 <div class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1= 0.5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">I am open to the better design choice.<br></span><sp= an style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US"></span><div><br><div><br><div= dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><= b>IB2>>> Realistically, this is not much of a use. Imagine you are= a client and you have to express a condition made of some 80 logical opera= tions. Using the above would be very cumbersome. And  what if in addit= ion to the logical operations condition expression includes other operation= s, such as arithmetic, function calls, etc. ? <br></b></div><br></div></div= ></div></div>=20 <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.= 5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">  </span></p>=20 </div> </div> </div> <pre><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#26282A;" lang=3D"EN-US">I feel = you change the meaning of policy variable, since in bryskin=E2=80=99s draft= , policy variable is described as an output parameter of an RPC which is no= t consistent with the definition in RFC3460, in my opinion.<br clear=3D"non= e"><br clear=3D"none">IB>> No, I have not. In our definition a PV is = a variable where an ECA thread stores results of computations and output of= algorithms/RPCs, so that the results could be used within a single thread = or between multiple threads of the same or different ECAs, could provide in= put for automatic re-configurations and RPCs, could be used in Condition ev= aluations, could be exposed directly to the client via notifications, etc. = In short, this is the place where ECAs store and accumulate the results of = their work</span><span style=3D"color:#26282A;" lang=3D"EN-US"></span></pre= >=20 <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US"> </span><span style=3D"fo= nt-size:10.5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">[Qin]: I thought PV is corresponding to target defined in draft-wwx, or data object to be moni= tored, we will reflect the change of data object or target in the action de= finition of ECA model. </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US"></span></p>=20 <div class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><s= pan style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">I see the only difference on= model design, is target or policy variable is separated from ietf-event, o= r part of ietf-event. If the reason why we should have a separate policy-variable is we should s= tore state on policy-variable or target, I think put policy-variable into i= etf-event, you still can store state related to policy-variable in ietf-eve= nt, No?<br></span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US"></span><= div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"f= alse"><b>IB2>> PV is a variable of the ECA language - i.e. a memory s= tructure where ECA thread execution results could be stored to be used in s= ubsequent Condition evaluations and Action inputs. In my view, PV has nothi= ng to do with PUSH target,</b><br></div></div></div>=20 <div> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">2. Your model seems to suggest= for ECA Action  not much more than PUSHing a notification (triggered = by a certain event and satisfying the configured condition) to the client with the hope that = the client will subsequently request some device/network re-configurations = ro react to the event. </span></p>=20 <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US"> </span><span style=3D"fo= nt-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US"></span></p>=20 <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">[Qin]:Igor, the ECA action pro= posed in the model of draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04 can do more than PUSHi= ng a notification, it have supported the following capabilities:</span><span style=3D"font-si= ze:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US"></span></p>=20 <div> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.= 5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">1)Configuration data object reconfiguration</span><spa= n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US"></span></p>=20 </div> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0p= t;"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">  </span></p>=20 </div> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.= 5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">IB>> Good, but keep in mind that the parameters = of such configurations could not be limited to values specified by the clie= nt at the time of EC</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US"= >A configuration ( such values we call Policy Constants (PCs)). It is imperat= ive to allow for the results of the ECA thread computations to be also used= as values to configure (i.e. PVs along with PCs)</span></p>=20 <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.= 5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">  </span></p>=20 <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.= 5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">[Qin]: Yes, I have been aware that Policy constant is = different from Policy variable, Are both pointing to the same monitored dat= a objects?</span></p>=20 <div class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1= 0.5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">I think whether it is policy constant or policy vari= able, it should be set or configured only when certain conditions hold.<br>= </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US"></span><div dir=3D"= ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br><div>I<b>B2>> How do you allow the cli= ent to say "When Event E is fired, configure leaf L with a value computed u= sing expression X"? Our suggestion is via two sun-Acrions associated with t= he ECA: first computes the expression X and stores it in a PV, second execu= tes edit-config with the PV content as a value.<br></b><div><br><br></div><= /div></div></div>=20 <div class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1= 0.5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">I am wondering where do you store the results of com= putations(e.g., mean/variance) or some tempo value of monitored data object= ?<br></span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US"></span><div di= r=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br><div><b>IB2>> This is exactly wha= t PV is for</b><br></div></div></div>=20 <div class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1= 0.5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">You use policy variable itself or you have somewhere= else to store these tempo results?<br></span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5= pt;" lang=3D"EN-US"></span><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br><div>= IB2> <b>Client defined PVs</b><br><div><br><br></div></div></div></div>= =20 </div> </div><div>......<span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US"></span><s= pan style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US"></span><span style=3D"font-s= ize:10.5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US"><br></span><div><br><div><span style=3D"font-si= ze:10.5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">[Qin]: Usually the RPC is sent from NETCONF clie= nt to NETCONF server ,do you propose the other way around and allow the net= conf server send RPC request to the NETCONF client? I am not sure we can do this<br></span><div= ><br><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdi= r=3D"false"><b>IB2>> In the context of ECA the RPC Action is request = to invoke  *local* server intelligence (such as path computation engin= e) that would be normally invoked if the client called a YANG RPC (e.g. as = defined by the Path Computation model). In other words it is calling by the= client an RPC deferred until the specified Event. <br></b></div></div></di= v><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US"></span><span style=3D= "font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US"></span></b></div></div></div><b></b></di= v><div><div><div><div><div><div><b>=20 </b><div><b> </b><div class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font= -size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">  .......<br></span></b><b><span style= =3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US"></span></b><div><span style=3D"font-s= ize:10.5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">In addition, when we talk about how to use ECA = model, are we focusing  using ECA model in the external interface betw= een NMS and router or are you focusing on using ECA model as internal script to manipulate service l= ogic?</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US"></span></div><= /div></div></div><div>=20 <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.= 0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">  </span></p>=20 <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.= 0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">IB>> The latter. This is what pushing (imperativ= e or declarative) policies down to the network server usually means.</span>= </p>=20 </div> </div> </div> </div> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US"> </span><span style=3D"fo= nt-size:10.5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">[Qin]: I think both are needed to provided event driven network management, first, the managem= ent system put down ECA policy to the managed device using NETCONF interfac= e, secondly, ECA script is generated from ECA policy in the managed device.= </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US"></span></p>=20 <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">3. Evaluation of ECA Condition= s, as well as input to ECA Actions may require not just instantaneous netwo= rk states, but also accumulation/computation of thereof over periods of time (e.g. min/ma= x/mean leaf values, history data, threshold overstep counters, results of v= arious functions/computations/algorithms performed on network states over t= ime, etc.) Hence there is a need for storage of intermediate results of such computations. Our contribution= introduces such storage in the form of Policy Variables (PVs). PVs could b= e part of Condition expressions, as well as Action inputs along with instan= t network states. PVs also could appear in notifications PUSHed to the client.</span></p>=20 <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US"> </span></p>=20 <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US"> </span><span style=3D"fo= nt-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US"></span></p>=20 <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">[Qin]: If you follows <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bwd-netmod-eca-= framework-00" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank"> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bwd-netmod-eca-framework-00</a></span></p= >=20 <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">You will see we have already c= onsidered what state needs to be held, current state and history state, and= where this state is held.</span></p>=20 <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">Basic state of ECA include: Ev= ent Name, event occurrence time, start time, end time, threshold value, etc= .</span></p>=20 <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.= 0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">I think it is challenging to store all the states and = it adds complexity of server implantation.</span></p>=20 <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.= 0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">  </span></p>=20 <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.= 0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">IB>> No, I am talking about defining /pushing by= the client and executing by the server arbitrary logic in the form of ECAs= . This logic, for example, may instruct the server how to recover from various network failures under= extreme time constraints. It may also instruct the server how to identify = and report "interesting" for the client  events and data, rather than = stream raw data  99% of which to be parched, evaluated and discarded as uninteresting </span></p>=20 </div> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">[Qin]: yeah, network failure r= ecovery and filtering unwanted data are two valid use cases we are aiming a= t also. I am fascinating on function-call you proposed, I am wondering where you store these comput= ation results, why not defined it as mathematics function, just provide inp= ut</span></p>=20 <div class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><s= pan style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">And then get output, but the= problem where to store these output, in addition, how many policy-argument= you can support? I seems only two policy-arguments are supported? If we support mathematics= function, you can support more than two policy arguments, right?<br></span= ><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US"></span><div dir=3D"ltr" d= ata-setdir=3D"false"><br><div><b>IB2>>The answer is PVs. See above. W= ithout PVs you are limited only to instantaneous network states to work wit= h. This may be sufficient for PUSH event scoping, but not for generic ECAs<= /b><br></div></div></div>=20 <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">  </span></p>=20 <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">4. Notifications triggered by = ECA s require definition beyond what is defined by PUSH models, so that the= notifications could be properly associated by the client with a given execution of a giv= en ECA.  Said definition could be found in <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bryskin-ne= tconf-automation-yang/" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank"> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bryskin-netconf-automation-yang/</a>= .</span></p>=20 <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US"> </span></p>=20 <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.= 5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">[Qin]:Good, we also provide a few use cases in the sec= tion 4 of draft-bwd-netmod-eca-framework-00 to discuss how notification is = sent to the NMS to trigger another ECA policy execution, we also could support One event i= nvoke another event, depends on use cases,</span><span style=3D"font-size:1= 0.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US"></span></p>=20 <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.= 0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">  </span></p>=20 <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.= 0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">IB>> Note that ECAs is not about intense communi= cation between the client and the server, rather, quite the opposite - it i= s about pushing ECAs down to the server and let the server perform the instructed event driven = network management </span></p>=20 <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.= 5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">  </span></p>=20 <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.= 5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">[Qin]: We are aligned on this core case.</span></p>=20 </div> </div> </div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">The use case we like to aim at= is service assurance use case and network troubleshooting self-management = use case.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US"></span></p= >=20 <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US"> </span></p>=20 <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">We have more points to discuss= , but what is above is a good starting point.</span></p>=20 <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US"> </span></p>=20 <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">Regards,<br clear=3D"none"> Igor (and Xufeng)</span></p>=20 </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal" styl= e=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US= "> </span></p>=20 </div> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US"> </span></p>=20 </div> </div> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US"> </span></p>=20 </div> </div> <div class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712yqt4740918474" id=3D"ydp8813a89byiv00= 78804712yqt54661"><div id=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv09926579= 64yqt13999"> <div id=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964yahoo_quoted_354= 7209473"> <div> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">On Saturday, November 2, 2019,= 10:33:40 AM EDT, Lou Berger <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:lberger@l= abn.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">lberger@labn.net</a>> wrote: </span></p>=20 </div> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US"> </span></p>=20 </div> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US"> </span></p>=20 </div> <div> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">Qin,<br clear=3D"none">     Thanks for the update.<br clear=3D"none"> <br clear=3D"none"> To answer your question as well as respond to the related thread, as<br cle= ar=3D"none"> chair, I generally think it best to adopt once there is consensus in the<br= clear=3D"none"> WG on a direction to take with respect to the topic covered by a draft.<br = clear=3D"none"> That is not to say that a fully formed or documented solution is<br clear= =3D"none"> required at adoption but that if there are several different approaches<br = clear=3D"none"> available, that the adopted work reflects the direction that the WG will<br= clear=3D"none"> pursue.<br clear=3D"none"> <br clear=3D"none"> In this case, the current rev is certainly a step in that direction, but<br= clear=3D"none"> the WG still as two different basic approaches available to it in this<br c= lear=3D"none"> draft and draft-bryskin-netconf-automation-yang.  I personally always<= br clear=3D"none"> prefer it when individual draft authors can find common ground and come<br = clear=3D"none"> to the WG with a single (unified) proposal rather than ask the working<br c= lear=3D"none"> group to choose one over the other.  I'm not sure who among the author= s<br clear=3D"none"> will be in Singapore, but perhaps the authors can take the opportunity<br c= lear=3D"none"> to meet to discuss the possibly of such a unified proposal as well<br clear= =3D"none"> report back to the working group on their progress/status.  Time<br cl= ear=3D"none"> permitting, we should at least hear a summary of each approach so that<br c= lear=3D"none"> if a unified approach is not proposed that the WG is better informed on<br = clear=3D"none"> the proposals.<br clear=3D"none"> <br clear=3D"none"> Cheers,<br clear=3D"none"> Lou</span></p>=20 <div id=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964yqtfd14310"> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal" styl= e=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US= "><br clear=3D"none"> On 11/1/19 11:02 PM, Qin Wu wrote:<br clear=3D"none"> > v-04 is posted to address chairs' comments, <br clear=3D"none"> > <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-= wwx-netmod-event-yang-04" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank"> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04</a><br= clear=3D"none"> > the main changes include:<br clear=3D"none"> >    o  Add text in introduction section to clarify the u= sage examples of<br clear=3D"none"> >      ECA policy<br clear=3D"none"> >    o  Update objective section to align with use cases.= <br clear=3D"none"> >    o  Clarify the relationship between target and polic= y variable.<br clear=3D"none"> >    o  Change variation trigger condition back into thre= shold trigger<br clear=3D"none"> >      condition and clarify the usage of three trigger c= onditions.<br clear=3D"none"> >    o  Remove Event MIB related section.<br clear=3D"non= e"> >    o  Add new coauthors and contributors.<br clear=3D"n= one"> > Chairs, what is the next step?<br clear=3D"none"> > <br clear=3D"none"> > -Qin (on behalf of authors)<br clear=3D"none"> > <br clear=3D"none"> > -----</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;">=E9=82=AE= =E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D= "EN-US">-----<br clear=3D"none"> > </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;">=E5=8F=91=E4=BB= =B6=E4=BA=BA</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">: I-D-A= nnounce [mailto:<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.= org" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org</a>] </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;">=E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8</= span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> <span lang=3D"EN-US"><a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.= org" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">internet-drafts@ietf.org</a><br cle= ar=3D"none"> > </span></span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;">=E5=8F= =91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang= =3D"EN-US">: 2019</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;">=E5= =B9=B4</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">11</span><spa= n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;">=E6=9C=88</span><span style=3D"= font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">2</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;c= olor:#26282A;">=E6=97=A5</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN= -US"> 10:57<br clear=3D"none"> > </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;">=E6=94=B6=E4=BB= =B6=E4=BA=BA</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">: <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:i-d-announce@ietf.org" rel=3D"nofollow" ta= rget=3D"_blank">i-d-announce@ietf.org</a><br clear=3D"none"> > </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;">=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2= =98</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">: I-D Action: dr= aft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04.txt<br clear=3D"none"> > <br clear=3D"none"> > <br clear=3D"none"> > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts dir= ectories.<br clear=3D"none"> > <br clear=3D"none"> > <br clear=3D"none"> >        Title          : A= YANG Data model for ECA Policy Management<br clear=3D"none"> >        Authors        : Michae= l Wang<br clear=3D"none"> >                    &= nbsp;     Qin Wu<br clear=3D"none"> >                    &= nbsp;     Chongfeng Xie<br clear=3D"none"> >                    &= nbsp;     Igor Bryskin<br clear=3D"none"> >                    &= nbsp;     Xufeng Liu<br clear=3D"none"> >                    &= nbsp;     Alexander Clemm<br clear=3D"none"> >                    &= nbsp;     Henk Birkholz<br clear=3D"none"> >                    &= nbsp;     Tianran Zhou<br clear=3D"none"> >     Filename        : draft-wwx-net= mod-event-yang-04.txt<br clear=3D"none"> >     Pages          : 32<br cle= ar=3D"none"> >     Date            : 201= 9-11-01<br clear=3D"none"> > <br clear=3D"none"> > Abstract:<br clear=3D"none"> >    RFC8328 defines a policy-based management framework that = allow<br clear=3D"none"> >    definition of a data model to be used to represent high-l= evel,<br clear=3D"none"> >    possibly network-wide policies.  Policy discussed in= RFC8328 are<br clear=3D"none"> >    classified into imperative policy and declarative policy,= ECA policy<br clear=3D"none"> >    is an typical example of imperative policy.  This do= cument defines an<br clear=3D"none"> >    YANG data model for the ECA policy management.  The = ECA policy YANG<br clear=3D"none"> >    provides the ability for the network management function = (within a<br clear=3D"none"> >    controller, an orchestrator, or a network element) to con= trol the<br clear=3D"none"> >    configuration and monitor state change on the network ele= ment and<br clear=3D"none"> >    take simple and instant action when a trigger condition o= n the system<br clear=3D"none"> >    state is met.<br clear=3D"none"> > <br clear=3D"none"> > <br clear=3D"none"> > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:<br clear=3D"none"> > <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wwx-n= etmod-event-yang/" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank"> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang/</a><br clear= =3D"none"> > <br clear=3D"none"> > There are also htmlized versions available at:<br clear=3D"none"> > <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wwx-netmod= -event-yang-04" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank"> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04</a><br clear=3D"= none"> > <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-= wwx-netmod-event-yang-04" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank"> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04</a><br= clear=3D"none"> > <br clear=3D"none"> > A diff from the previous version is available at:<br clear=3D"none"> > <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ww= x-netmod-event-yang-04" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank"> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04</a><br c= lear=3D"none"> > <br clear=3D"none"> > <br clear=3D"none"> > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of subm= ission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.= <br clear=3D"none"> > <br clear=3D"none"> > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:<br clear=3D"no= ne"> > <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/" rel=3D"= nofollow" target=3D"_blank">ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/</a><br clea= r=3D"none"> > <br clear=3D"none"> > _______________________________________________<br clear=3D"none"> > I-D-Announce mailing list<br clear=3D"none"> > <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:I-D-Announce@ietf.org" rel=3D"nofollo= w" target=3D"_blank">I-D-Announce@ietf.org</a><br clear=3D"none"> > <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-an= nounce" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/lis= tinfo/i-d-announce</a><br clear=3D"none"> > Internet-Draft directories: <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"http://www.ietf.= org/shadow.html%20" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank"> http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html </a>or <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"ftp://ftp.= 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See below. Regards Balazs -----Original Message----- From: Acee Lindem via Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org>=20 Sent: 2019. okt=C3=B3ber 30., szerda 13:59 To: yang-doctors@ietf.org Cc: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format.all@ietf.org; = last-call@ietf.org; netmod@ietf.org Subject: Yangdoctors last call review of = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04 Reviewer: Acee Lindem Review result: Ready with Issues Document: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04.txt Reviewer: Acee Lindem Review Date: Oct 30st, 2019 Review Type: Working Group Last Call Intended Status: Standards Track Summary: Ready with Issues Modules: "ietf-yang-instance-data@2019-07-04.yang" Tech Summary: The model describes mechanisms and statically specifying instance data (XML or JSON) for YANG models. Use cases are also discussed although not in normative text. The = document is relatively straight forward but could benefit from some editorial cleanup.=20 Major Comments: None Minor Comments:=20 1. The "Security Considerations" in section 8 do not conform to the recommended template in = https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ops/wiki/yang-security- guidelines>. The considerations may be completely dependent on the = included instance Data Set or some of the information in the model may also = be sensitive. However, it needs to be better described. BALAZS: Updated security considerations, tried to make it more detailed. However the template is mostly=20 not applicable to this draft. This draft contains very little own data, = most of=20 the instance data is as you sad completely dependent on the included = instance Data Set. It is also planned to be accessed as a file, not via Netconf/Restconf. 2. I feel it would be helpful to explicitly state that the both = read-only and read-write instance data may be included in the instance data = set. BALAZS: OK. Chapter 3. Instance Data File Format will include the = following: " Config=3Dtrue and config=3Dfalse data MAY be mixed in the instance = data file." 3. The document could requires some editorial cleanup. For example, use complete sentenses for principles in section 2.1 and punctuate. Do = not begin sentenses with "E.g. ...".=20 BALAZS: Principles reworded. Nits:=20 See diff below. *** draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04.txt.orig 2019-10-29 = 16:36:22.000000000 -0400 --- draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04.txt 2019-10-29 = 21:40:06.000000000 -0400 *************** *** 20,26 **** running server available. This document specifies a standard file format for YANG instance data (which follows the syntax and = semantic from existing YANG models, re-using the same format as the reply to = a ! <get> operation/request) and decorates it with metadata. =20 Status of This Memo =20 --- 20,26 ---- running server available. This document specifies a standard file format for YANG instance data (which follows the syntax and = semantic from existing YANG models, re-using the same format as the reply to = a ! <get> operation/request) and annotates it with metadata. BALAZS: OK =20 Status of This Memo =20 *************** *** 114,127 **** Internet-Draft YANG Instance Data August = 2019 =20 =20 ! Instance Data Set: A named set of data items decorated with = metadata that can be used as instance data in a YANG data tree. =20 Instance Data File: A file containing an instance data set = formatted according to the rules described in this document. =20 ! Content-schema: A set of YANG modules with their = revision,suupported ! features and deviations for which the instance data set contains instance data =20 Content defining Yang module(s): YANG module(s) that make up the --- 114,127 ---- Internet-Draft YANG Instance Data August = 2019 =20 =20 ! Instance Data Set: A named set of data items annotated with = metadata BALAZS: OK that can be used as instance data in a YANG data tree. =20 Instance Data File: A file containing an instance data set = formatted according to the rules described in this document. =20 ! Content-schema: A set of YANG modules with their revision, = supported BALAZS: OK ! features, and deviations for which the instance data set contains BALAZS: OK instance data =20 Content defining Yang module(s): YANG module(s) that make up the *************** *** 138,145 **** There is a need to document data defined in YANG models when a live server is not available. Data is often needed already at design or implementation time or needed by groups that do not have a live ! running server available. To facilitate this off-line delivery of ! data this document specifies a standard format for YANG instance = data sets and YANG instance data files. =20 The following is a list of already implemented and potential use --- 138,145 ---- There is a need to document data defined in YANG models when a live server is not available. Data is often needed already at design or implementation time or needed by groups that do not have a live ! running server available. To facilitate this offline delivery of BALAZS: OK ! data, this document specifies a standard format for YANG instance = data BALAZS: OK sets and YANG instance data files. =20 The following is a list of already implemented and potential use *************** *** 153,159 **** =20 UC4 Instance data used as backup =20 ! UC5 Storing the configuration of a device, e.g. for archive or = audit purposes =20 UC6 Storing diagnostics data --- 153,159 ---- =20 UC4 Instance data used as backup =20 ! UC5 Storing the configuration of a device, e.g., for archive or = audit Purposes BALAZS: OK =20 UC6 Storing diagnostics data *************** *** 186,201 **** The following is a list of the basic principles of the instance = data format: =20 ! P1 Two standard formats are based on the XML and the JSON encoding =20 ! P2 Re-use existing formats similar to the response to a <get> operation/request =20 P3 Add metadata about the instance data set (Section 3, Paragraph = 9) =20 P4 A YANG instance data set may contain data for many YANG modules =20 ! P5 Instance data may include configuration data, state data or a = mix of the two =20 P6 Partial data sets are allowed --- 186,201 ---- The following is a list of the basic principles of the instance = data format: =20 ! P1 Two standard formats are based on the XML and JSON encodings BALAZS: OK =20 ! P2 Reuse existing formats similar to the response to a <get> BALAZS: OK operation/request =20 P3 Add metadata about the instance data set (Section 3, Paragraph = 9) =20 P4 A YANG instance data set may contain data for many YANG modules =20 ! P5 Instance data may include configuration data, state data, or a = mix BALAZS: OK of the two =20 P6 Partial data sets are allowed *************** *** 227,233 **** =20 =20 Two formats are specified based on the XML and JSON YANG encodings. ! Later as other YANG encodings (e.g. CBOR) are defined further instance data formats may be specified. =20 The content-data part SHALL follow the encoding rules defined in --- 227,233 ---- =20 =20 Two formats are specified based on the XML and JSON YANG encodings. ! Later as other YANG encodings (e.g., CBOR) are defined, further BALAZS: OK instance data formats may be specified. =20 The content-data part SHALL follow the encoding rules defined in *************** *** 245,251 **** ignored by users of YANG instance data, allowing it to be used later for other purposes. =20 ! in the XML format implementation specific XML attributes. = Unknown attributes MUST be ignored by users of YANG instance data, allowing them to be used later for other purposes. =20 --- 245,251 ---- ignored by users of YANG instance data, allowing it to be used later for other purposes. =20 ! in the XML format implementation specific XML attributes, = unknown BALAZS: OK attributes MUST be ignored by users of YANG instance data, allowing them to be used later for other purposes. =20 *************** *** 271,277 **** =20 * instance-data-set-name ['@' revision-date] '.filetype' =20 ! * E.g. acme-router-modules@2018-01-25.xml =20 =20 =20 --- 271,277 ---- =20 * instance-data-set-name ['@' revision-date] '.filetype' =20 ! * E.g., acme-router-modules@2018-01-25.xml BALAZS: OK =20 =20 =20 *************** *** 282,288 **** Internet-Draft YANG Instance Data August = 2019 =20 =20 ! If the leaf name is present in the instance data header this = MUST be used. Revision-date MUST be set to the latest revision date inside the instance data set. =20 --- 282,288 ---- Internet-Draft YANG Instance Data August = 2019 =20 =20 ! If the leaf name is present in the instance data header, this = MUST BALAZS: OK be used. Revision-date MUST be set to the latest revision date inside the instance data set. =20 *************** *** 290,301 **** =20 * instance-data-set-name ['@' timestamp] '.filetype' =20 ! * E.g. acme-router-modules@2018-01-25T15_06_34_3+01_00.json =20 ! If the leaf name is present in the instance data header this = MUST be used. If the leaf timestamp is present in the instance data ! header this MUST be used; the semicolons and the decimal point = if ! present shall be replaced by underscores. =20 The revision date or timestamp is optional. ".filetype" SHALL be ".json" or ".xml" according to the format used. --- 290,301 ---- =20 * instance-data-set-name ['@' timestamp] '.filetype' =20 ! * E.g,. acme-router-modules@2018-01-25T15_06_34_3+01_00.json BALAZS: OK =20 ! If the leaf name is present in the instance data header, this = MUST BALAZS: OK be used. If the leaf timestamp is present in the instance data ! header, this MUST be used; the semicolons and the decimal point, = if BALAZS: OK ! present shall, be replaced by underscores. BALAZS: OK =20 The revision date or timestamp is optional. ".filetype" SHALL be ".json" or ".xml" according to the format used. *************** *** 315,321 **** =20 3.1. Specifying the Content Schema =20 ! To properly understand and use an instance data set the user needs = to know the content-schema. One of the following methods SHOULD be used: =20 --- 315,321 ---- =20 3.1. Specifying the Content Schema =20 ! To properly understand and use an instance data set, the user needs = to BALAZS: OK know the content-schema. One of the following methods SHOULD be used: =20 *************** *** 342,359 **** already known, or the information is available through external documents. =20 ! Additional methods e.g. a YANG-package based solution may be added later. =20 Note, the specified content-schema only indicates the set of = modules that were used to define this YANG instance data set. Sometimes instance data may be used for a server supporting a different YANG ! module set. (e.g. for "UC2 Preloading Data" the instance data set = may not be updated every time the YANG modules on the server are = updated) Whether the instance data set is usable for a possibly different real-life YANG module set depends on many factors including the ! compatibility between the specified and the real-life YANG module = set ! (considering modules, revisions, features, deviations), the scope = of the instance data, etc. =20 3.1.1. Inline Method --- 342,359 ---- already known, or the information is available through external documents. =20 ! Additional methods, e.g., a YANG-package based solution may be = added BALAZS: OK later. =20 Note, the specified content-schema only indicates the set of = modules that were used to define this YANG instance data set. Sometimes instance data may be used for a server supporting a different YANG ! module set. (e.g., for "UC2 Preloading Data" the instance data set = may BALAZS: OK not be updated every time the YANG modules on the server are = updated) Whether the instance data set is usable for a possibly different real-life YANG module set depends on many factors including the ! compatibility between the specified and the real-life YANG module = set, BALAZS: OK ! considering modules, revisions, features, deviations, the scope of BALAZS: OK the instance data, etc. =20 3.1.1. Inline Method *************** *** 361,372 **** One or more inline-target-spec elements define YANG module(s) used = to specify the content defining YANG modules. =20 ! E.g. ietf-yang-library@2016-06-21.yang =20 The anydata inline-content-schema carries instance data (conforming to the inline-target-spec modules) that actually specifies the content defining YANG modules including revision, supported = features, ! deviations and any relevant additional data (e.g. version labels) =20 3.1.2. Simplified-Inline Method =20 --- 361,372 ---- One or more inline-target-spec elements define YANG module(s) used = to specify the content defining YANG modules. =20 ! E.g., ietf-yang-library@2016-06-21.yang BALAZS: OK =20 The anydata inline-content-schema carries instance data (conforming to the inline-target-spec modules) that actually specifies the content defining YANG modules including revision, supported = features, ! deviations and any relevant additional data (e.g., version labels) BALAZS: OK =20 3.1.2. Simplified-Inline Method =20 *************** *** 384,390 **** The referenced instance data file MAY have no content-data if it is used solely for specifying the content-schema. The referenced YANG instance data file might use the INLINE method or might use the URI ! method to reference further instance data file(s). However at the =20 =20 =20 --- 384,390 ---- The referenced instance data file MAY have no content-data if it is used solely for specifying the content-schema. The referenced YANG instance data file might use the INLINE method or might use the URI ! method to reference further instance data file(s). However, at the BALAZS: OK =20 =20 *************** *** 397,416 **** end of this reference chain there MUST be an instance data file = using the INLINE method. =20 ! If a referenced instance data file is not available the revision ! data, supported features and deviations for the target YANG modules are unknown. =20 The URI method is advantageous when the user wants to avoid the overhead of specifying the content-schema in each instance data = file: ! E.g. In Use Case 6, when the system creates a diagnostic file = every minute to document the state of the server. =20 3.2. Examples =20 The following example is based on "UC1, Documenting Server Capabilities". It provides (a shortened) list of supported YANG ! modules and Netconf capabilities for a server. It uses the inline method to specify the content-schema. =20 <?xml version=3D"1.0" encoding=3D"UTF-8"?> --- 397,416 ---- end of this reference chain there MUST be an instance data file = using the INLINE method. =20 ! If a referenced instance data file is not available, the revision BALAZS: OK ! data, supported features, and deviations for the target YANG = modules BALAZS: OK are unknown. =20 The URI method is advantageous when the user wants to avoid the overhead of specifying the content-schema in each instance data = file: ! E.g., in Use Case 6, when the system creates a diagnostic file = every BALAZS: OK minute to document the state of the server. =20 3.2. Examples =20 The following example is based on "UC1, Documenting Server Capabilities". It provides (a shortened) list of supported YANG ! modules and NETCCONF capabilities for a server. It uses the inline BALAZS: OK method to specify the content-schema. =20 <?xml version=3D"1.0" encoding=3D"UTF-8"?> *************** *** 624,630 **** "schema-uri": "file:///acme-netconf-diagnostics-yanglib.json", "timestamp": "2018-01-25T17:00:38Z", "description": ! "Netconf statistics", "content-data": { "ietf-netconf-monitoring:netconf-state": { "statistics": { --- 624,630 ---- "schema-uri": "file:///acme-netconf-diagnostics-yanglib.json", "timestamp": "2018-01-25T17:00:38Z", "description": ! "NETCONF statistics", BALAZS: OK "content-data": { "ietf-netconf-monitoring:netconf-state": { "statistics": { *************** *** 647,661 **** =20 4. Data Life cycle =20 ! In UC2 "Preloading default configuration data" the loaded data may = be ! changed later e.g. by management operations. In UC6 "Storing ! Diagnostics data" the diagnostics values may change on device every second. =20 ! YANG instance data is a snap-shot of information at a specific = point ! of time. If the data changes afterwards this is not represented in ! the instance data set anymore. The valid values can be retrieved = in ! run-time via NETCONF/RESTCONF or received e.g. in Yang-Push notifications. =20 Whether the instance data changes and if so, when and how, SHOULD = be --- 647,661 ---- =20 4. Data Life cycle =20 ! In UC2 "Preloading default configuration data", the loaded data may = be BALAZS: OK ! changed later, e.g., by management operations. In UC6 "Storing BALAZS: OK ! Diagnostics data", the diagnostics values may change on the device = every BALAZS: OK second. =20 ! YANG instance data is a snapshot of information at a specific point BALAZS: OK ! of time. If the data changes afterwards, this is not represented = in BALAZS: OK ! the instance data set anymore. The valid values can be retrieved = at BALAZS: OK ! run-time via NETCONF/RESTCONF or received, e.g., in YANG-Push BALAZS: OK notifications. =20 Whether the instance data changes and if so, when and how, SHOULD = be *************** *** 678,688 **** =20 Instance data sets that are produced as a result of some sort of specification or design effort SHOULD be available without the need ! for a live server e.g. via download from the vendor's website, or = in ! any other way product documentation is distributed. =20 Other instance data sets may be read from or produced by the YANG ! server itself e.g. UC6 documenting diagnostic data. =20 6. Backwards Compatibility =20 --- 678,688 ---- =20 Instance data sets that are produced as a result of some sort of specification or design effort SHOULD be available without the need ! for a live server, e.g., via download from the vendor's website, or = in BALAZS: OK ! any other way that product documentation is distributed. BALAZS: OK =20 Other instance data sets may be read from or produced by the YANG ! server itself, e.g., UC6 documenting diagnostic data. BALAZS: OK =20 6. Backwards Compatibility =20 *************** *** 691,714 **** dependent on the specific use case and the content-schema. =20 For instance data that is the result of a design or specification ! activity some changes that may be good to avoid are listed. YANG uses the concept of managed entities identified by key values; if = the connection between the represented entity and the key value is not ! preserved during an update this may lead to problems. =20 o If the key value of a list entry that represents the same = managed entity as before is changed, the user may mistakenly identify = the list entry as new. =20 o If the meaning of a list entry is changed, but the key values = are ! not (e.g. redefining an alarm-type but not changing its alarm- type-id) the change may not be noticed. =20 o If the key value of a previously removed list entry is reused = for ! a different entity, the change may be mis-interpreted as reintroducing the previous entity. =20 ! 7. Yang Instance Data Model =20 7.1. Tree Diagram =20 --- 691,714 ---- dependent on the specific use case and the content-schema. =20 For instance data that is the result of a design or specification ! activity, some changes that may be good to avoid are listed. YANG BALAZS: OK uses the concept of managed entities identified by key values; if = the connection between the represented entity and the key value is not ! preserved during an update, this may lead to problems. BALAZS: OK =20 o If the key value of a list entry that represents the same = managed entity as before is changed, the user may mistakenly identify = the list entry as new. =20 o If the meaning of a list entry is changed, but the key values = are ! not (e.g., redefining an alarm-type but not changing its alarm- BALAZS: OK type-id) the change may not be noticed. =20 o If the key value of a previously removed list entry is reused = for ! a different entity, the change may be misinterpreted as BALAZS: OK reintroducing the previous entity. =20 ! 7. YANG Instance Data Model =20 7.1. Tree Diagram =20 *************** *** 812,818 **** =20 sx:structure instance-data-set { description "A data structure to define a format for a ! YANG instance data set.Consists of meta-data about the instance data set and the real content-data."; =20 leaf name { --- 812,818 ---- =20 sx:structure instance-data-set { description "A data structure to define a format for a ! YANG instance data sets. Consists of meta-data about BALAZS: OK the instance data set and the real content-data."; =20 leaf name { *************** *** 851,866 **** min-elements 1; ordered-by user; description ! "Indicates that content defining Yang modules ! are specified inline. Each value MUST be a YANG Module name including the revision-date as defined for YANG file names in RFC7950. =20 ! E.g. ietf-yang-library@2016-06-21.yang =20 The first item is either ietf-yang-library or some other YANG module that contains a list of YANG modules with ! their name, revision-date, supported-features and deviations. As some versions of ietf-yang-library MAY contain different module-sets for different datastores, if --- 851,866 ---- min-elements 1; ordered-by user; description ! "Indicates that content defining YANG modules ! are specified inline. BALAZS: OK Each value MUST be a YANG Module name including the revision-date as defined for YANG file names in RFC7950. =20 ! E.g., ietf-yang-library@2016-06-21.yang BALAZS: OK =20 The first item is either ietf-yang-library or some other YANG module that contains a list of YANG modules with ! their name, revision-date, supported-features, and BALAZS: OK deviations. As some versions of ietf-yang-library MAY contain different module-sets for different datastores, if *************** *** 871,883 **** datastore. =20 Subsequent items MAY specify YANG modules augmenting the ! first module with useful data (e.g. a version label)."; } anydata inline-content-schema { mandatory true; description "Instance data corresponding to the YANG = modules specified in the inline-spec nodes defining the set ! of content defining Yang YANG modules for this instance-data-set."; } } --- 871,883 ---- datastore. =20 Subsequent items MAY specify YANG modules augmenting the ! first module with useful data (e.g., a version label)."; BALAZS: OK } anydata inline-content-schema { mandatory true; description "Instance data corresponding to the YANG = modules specified in the inline-spec nodes defining the set ! of content defining YANG modules for this BALAZS: OK instance-data-set."; } } *************** *** 888,894 **** description "A reference to another YANG instance data file. This instance data file will use the same set of target ! YANG modules, revisions, supported features and = deviations as the referenced YANG instance data file."; =20 =20 --- 888,894 ---- description "A reference to another YANG instance data file. This instance data file will use the same set of target ! YANG modules, revisions, supported features, and = deviations as the referenced YANG instance data file."; BALAZS: OK =20 *************** *** 923,932 **** leaf datastore { type ds:datastore-ref; description "The identity of the datastore with which the ! instance data set is associated e.g. the datastore from ! where the data was read or the datastore where the data could be loaded or the datastore which is being documented. ! If a single specific datastore can not be specified, the leaf MUST be absent. =20 If this leaf is absent, then the datastore to which the --- 923,932 ---- leaf datastore { type ds:datastore-ref; description "The identity of the datastore with which the ! instance data set is associated, e.g., the datastore from BALAZS: OK ! where the data was read or the datastore from which the data BALAZS: the second part really should mean "a data store where I can = push the data into". So I changed it to=20 " or the datastore into which the data may be loaded" could be loaded or the datastore which is being documented. ! If a single specific datastore cannot be specified, the leaf MUST be absent. BALAZS: OK =20 If this leaf is absent, then the datastore to which the *************** *** 1222,1228 **** =20 A server has a number of server-capabilities that are defined in = YANG modules and can be retrieved from the server using protocols like ! NETCONF or RESTCONF. server capabilities include =20 =20 =20 --- 1222,1228 ---- =20 A server has a number of server-capabilities that are defined in = YANG modules and can be retrieved from the server using protocols like ! NETCONF or RESTCONF. Server capabilities include: BALAZS: OK =20 =20 =20 *************** *** 1235,1246 **** =20 =20 o data defined in ietf-yang-library: YANG modules, submodules, ! features, deviations, schema-mounts, datastores supported ([I-D.ietf-netconf-rfc7895bis]) =20 o alarms supported ([I-D.ietf-ccamp-alarm-module]) =20 ! o data nodes, subtrees that support or do not support on-change notifications ([I-D.ietf-netconf-yang-push]) =20 o netconf-capabilities in ietf-netconf-monitoring --- 1235,1246 ---- =20 =20 o data defined in ietf-yang-library: YANG modules, submodules, ! features, deviations, schema-mounts, and datastores supported BALAZS: OK ([I-D.ietf-netconf-rfc7895bis]) =20 o alarms supported ([I-D.ietf-ccamp-alarm-module]) =20 ! o data nodes and subtrees that support or do not support on-change BALAZS: OK notifications ([I-D.ietf-netconf-yang-push]) =20 o netconf-capabilities in ietf-netconf-monitoring *************** *** 1248,1280 **** While it is good practice to allow a client to query these capabilities from the live server, that is often not possible. =20 ! Often when a network node is released an associated NMS (network management system) is also released with it. The NMS depends on = the ! capabilities of the server. During NMS implementation information about server capabilities is needed. If the information is not ! available early in some off-line document, but only as instance = data from the live network node, the NMS implementation will be delayed, ! because it has to wait for the network node to be ready. Also assuming that all NMS implementors will have a correctly configured ! network node available to retrieve data from, is a very expensive proposition. (An NMS may handle dozens of node types.) =20 Network operators often build their own home-grown NMS systems that ! needs to be integrated with a vendor's network node. The operator needs to know the network node's server capabilities in order to do ! this. Moreover the network operator's decision to buy a vendor's product may even be influenced by the network node's OAM feature = set ! documented as the Server's capabilities. =20 Beside NMS implementors, system integrators and many others also = need the same information early. Examples could be model driven = testing, generating documentation, etc. =20 Most server-capabilities are relatively stable and change only = during ! upgrade or due to licensing or addition or removal of HW. They are ! usually defined by a vendor at design time, before the product is ! released. It feasible and advantageous to define/document them = early ! e.g. in a YANG instance data File. =20 It is anticipated that a separate IETF document will define in = detail how and which set of server capabilities should be documented. --- 1248,1280 ---- While it is good practice to allow a client to query these capabilities from the live server, that is often not possible. =20 ! Often when a network node is released, an associated NMS (network BALAZS: OK =20 management system) is also released with it. The NMS depends on = the ! capabilities of the server. During NMS implementation, information BALAZS: OK =20 about server capabilities is needed. If the information is not ! available early in some offline document, but only as instance data BALAZS: OK =20 from the live network node, the NMS implementation will be delayed, ! because it has to wait until the network node is ready. Also BALAZS: OK =20 assuming that all NMS implementors will have a correctly configured ! network nodes from whic data is to be retrieved, is a very = expensive BALAZS: OK =20 proposition. (An NMS may handle dozens of node types.) =20 Network operators often build their own home-grown NMS systems that ! need to be integrated with a vendor's network node. The operator BALAZS: OK =20 needs to know the network node's server capabilities in order to do ! this. Moreover, the network operator's decision to buy a vendor's BALAZS: OK =20 product may even be influenced by the network node's OAM feature = set ! documented as the server's capabilities. BALAZS: OK =20 Beside NMS implementors, system integrators and many others also = need the same information early. Examples could be model driven = testing, generating documentation, etc. =20 Most server-capabilities are relatively stable and change only = during ! upgrade or due to licensing or the addition or removal of hardware. = They ! are usually defined by a vendor at design time, before the product = is ! released. It feasible and advantageous to define/document them = early, ! e.g., in a YANG instance data File. BALAZS: OK =20 =20 It is anticipated that a separate IETF document will define in = detail how and which set of server capabilities should be documented. *************** *** 1293,1310 **** C.1.2. Use Case 2: Preloading Data =20 There are parts of the configuration that must be fully = configurable ! by the operator, however for which often a simple default ! configuration will be sufficient. =20 One example is access control groups/roles and related rules. = While ! a sophisticated operator may define dozens of different groups = often a basic (read-only operator, read-write system administrator, security-administrator) triplet will be enough. Vendors will often provide such default configuration data to make device = configuration easier for an operator. =20 ! Defining Access control data is a complex task. To help the device ! vendor pre-defines a set of default groups (/nacm:nacm/groups) and rules for these groups to access specific parts of common models (/nacm:nacm/rule-list/rule). =20 --- 1293,1310 ---- C.1.2. Use Case 2: Preloading Data =20 There are parts of the configuration that must be fully = configurable ! by the operator. However, often a simple default configuration will ! be sufficient. BALAZS: OK =20 One example is access control groups/roles and related rules. = While ! a sophisticated operator may define dozens of different groups, = often a basic (read-only operator, read-write system administrator, security-administrator) triplet will be enough. Vendors will often provide such default configuration data to make device = configuration easier for an operator. BALAZS: OK =20 ! Defining access control data is a complex task. To help, the = device ! vendor predefines a set of default groups (/nacm:nacm/groups) and rules for these groups to access specific parts of common models (/nacm:nacm/rule-list/rule). BALAZS: OK =20 *************** *** 1315,1330 **** =20 Nearly every server has a factory default configuration. If the system is really badly misconfigured or if the current = configuration ! is to be abandoned the system can be reset to this default. =20 ! In Netconf the <delete-config> operation can already be used to = reset the startup datastore. There are ongoing efforts to introduce a = new, more generic reset-datastore operation for the same purpose ! [I-D.wu-netconf-restconf-factory-restore] =20 The operator currently has no way to know what the default ! configuration actually contains. YANG instance data can be used to ! document the factory default configuration. =20 Authors' Addresses =20 --- 1315,1331 ---- =20 Nearly every server has a factory default configuration. If the system is really badly misconfigured or if the current = configuration ! is to be abandoned the, system can be reset to the default factory ! configuration. BALAZS: OK =20 ! In NETCONF, the <delete-config> operation can already be used to = reset the startup datastore. There are ongoing efforts to introduce a = new, more generic reset-datastore operation for the same purpose ! [I-D.wu-netconf-restconf-factory-restore]. BALAZS: OK, but the draft was renamed so that's updated too. =20 The operator currently has no way to know what the default ! configuration actually contains. YANG instance data can also be = used ! to document the factory default configuration. 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06 Nov 2019 16:29:27 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_01E5_01D59495.6F1C9600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The licensing information for IEEE YANG models can be found here... https://github.com/YangModels/yang (YANG Catalog's github repository) If you scroll down there is the text of the README.md file, there you will find... In the Models Directory Structure section: yang/standard/ieee: standard modules (published or drafts) intended for IEEE submission [3] is this information: [3] IEEE License: - All files contained within this sub-directory are considered to be intended as IEEE Contributions. - All issues entered into the trouble ticket system for this directory are considered to be intended as IEEE Contributions. - All pull requests submitted for this directory are considered to be intended as IEEE Contributions. - All contributions to IEEE standards development (whether for an individual or entity standard) shall meet the requirements outlined in the IEEE-SA Copyright Policy (https://standards.ieee.org/develop/policies/bylaws/sect6-7.html#7) - Copyright release for YANG modules: Users may freely reproduce the YANG modules contained under /standard/ieee/ so that they can be used for their intended purpose. If you really want the official YANG, you can extract the YANG out of the IEEE Standard document (yang is included as a txt attachment to pdf). But the copyright release is the same. See https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/browse/standards/get-program/page/series?id=68 for a place to freely download 802 Standards. Hope this helps. Regards, -scott. -----Original Message----- From: netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Vladimir Vassilev Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2019 8:30 AM To: tom petch <ietfa@btconnect.com>; netmod@ietf.org Subject: [netmod] hex-string as built-in type in future versions of YANG Moving a netmod relevant topic from a thread on the bmwg mailing list https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bmwg/GwkVykKmOX7DFokCFynJVy_ZwZ8 On 29/10/2019 13.32, tom petch wrote: > Picking up the point below about vlan, this is where the IETF is not > doing the job it might. 'vlan' appears in many YANG modules with > several flavours thereof; yes, we might get a better resolution on the > netmod list but really, apart from our IEEE liaison, I do not know > where to go for the best advice on this. I saw this issue surface > recently on I2RS which, thinking about it, makes sense and there, the > outcome was > import ieee802-dot1q-types {... reference > "IEEE Std 802.1Qcp-2018: Bridges and Bridged > Networks - Amendment: YANG Data Model."; i.e. anything vlan > we import from the IEEE module. I did query making an IETF module > normatively dependent on an IEEE module and the ADs said that that was > fine so that is the direction in which I think that the IETF should > go. I can think of at least 2 issues with importing ieee802-dot1q-types.yang in IETF modules. 1. the unclear license under which third party organizations can distribute it. 2. Its design [1] The IETF has liaison with IEEE but the IETF modules are distributed under Simplified BSD License while the IEEE ones are not. It is not clear to me what is the effective IEEE license for third party organizations that need to distribute the IEEE modules together with the importing IETF ones. If the cost of the 5 simple ethernet frame field types - ethertype, vlanid, tpid, pcp, cfi is embedding dependency on the conservative IEEE licensing policies I think the cost is too high. [2] Some of the types are based on strings with complex lexical representation with canonical form specified in description statement which is neither scalable nor automation friendly. For example the "ethertype-type" type (just getting started): ... from ieee802-dot1q-types@2018-03-07.yang typedef ethertype-type { type string { pattern "[0-9a-fA-F]{2}-[0-9a-fA-F]{2}"; } description "The EtherType value represented in the canonical order defined by IEEE 802. The canonical representation uses uppercase characters."; reference "9.2 of IEEE Std 802-2014"; } ... IMO typedefs (not types) with constrains specified in a description statement especially if they are not part of ietf-yang-types (RFC6991) should be avoided. Those types are bad enough even when they are defined in ietf-yang-types e.g. "mac-address" AA:BB:CC:DD:EE:FF which is valid for rpc "input" data has to be treated as aa:bb:cc:dd:ee:ff (which is the canonical representation). The difference comes from the fact that "mac-address" is seamlessly converted to lowercase in many tools (not all). Those tools do not support the types defined in ieee802-dot1q-types in the same way. So there is no "to uppercase" seamless conversion for ethertype-type and "aB-cD" and "AA-CD" are treated as different values and you will have to figure out how your implementation can fix this on your own. IMO ietf-yang-types:mac-address (and many others ieee802-dot1q-types:ethertype-type included) can be derived from ietf-yang-types:hex-string instead of string. It would be even better if "hex-string" is defined as a new built-in type in YANG next with an optional "width" sub-statement constraining the number of bits represented. There are relevant discussions in https://protect2.fireeye.com/v1/url?k=f32414e9-afadbb20-f3245472-0cc47ad93e1c-3cac03145d53bba2&q=1&e=6bf134b3-1f82-4293-8625-2d5bf67d1c2d&u=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fnetmod-wg%2Fyang-next%2Fissues%2F19 and https://protect2.fireeye.com/v1/url?k=df09b925-838016ec-df09f9be-0cc47ad93e1c-3baced0791ac566c&q=1&e=6bf134b3-1f82-4293-8625-2d5bf67d1c2d&u=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fnetmod-wg%2Fyang-next%2Fissues%2F46 (posted the last paragraph of this proposal there). /Vladimir > > Tom Petch _______________________________________________ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod ------=_NextPart_000_01E5_01D59495.6F1C9600 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIVcTCCAyAw ggIIoAMCAQICAR0wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwOTELMAkGA1UEBhMCRkkxDzANBgNVBAoTBlNvbmVy 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06, 2019 at 06:15:25PM +0000, Vladimir Vassilev wrote: >=20 > There is no technical reason at all to have MAC addresses represented as= =20 > pattern constrained strings and not "binary" of length 6 (as it was in=20 > SMIv2 MIBs) either. There is no technical reason for ethertype to be=20 > represented as pattern constrained string and not "binary" of length 2=20 > or "uint16". It is likely done because of the sane lexical=20 > representation requirement derived from NETCONF design requirement to be= =20 > human readable on the wire and this is not the case when the data is=20 > base64 encoded or in the better case represented as decimal when humans=20 > are used to its hex-string representation. The goal was to automate configuration and configuration data used to be given to operators (and their automation scripts) in a textual format. I think this is why we favored textual representations (the data on the wire is encrypted anyway). In the MIB world, we had some limited ways to define automated conversions between binary data and their textual representation. This mechanism was good enough for MAC addresses, but it already falls apart with representation of IPv6 addresses according to RFC 5952. Yes, it might have been wise to not always tie YANG's 'binary' to 'base64' but this is what we did end up doing (after longer discussions about this). One argument was that if you want a hex-string, you can simply define it (as long as you do not care much about supporting binary encodings - this we did not care much about back than, likely a mistake if I look back). Anyway, IETF preferring lowercase characters and IEEE preferring uppercase characters for some shared types is a non-technological conflict and I see no easy way to resolve this. /js --=20 Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 <https://www.jacobs-university.de/> From nobody Wed Nov 6 13:57:56 2019 Return-Path: <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37AD2120145 for <netmod@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 13:57:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.002 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Martin, I will update the draft following most of your comments. See details = below. Regards Balazs -----Original Message----- From: netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Martin Bjorklund Sent: 2019. okt=F3ber 10., cs=FCt=F6rt=F6k 14:05 To: netmod@ietf.org Subject: [netmod] comments on = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04 Hi, I have some mostly cosmetic comments on this draft. o "YANG" should be spelled "YANG". Not Yang etc. BALAZS: OK o "NETCONF" should be spelled "NETCONF". BALAZS: OK o leaf-list module The type of this leaf-list is a string with: pattern '.+@\d{4}-\d{2}-\d{2}\.yang'; I think the revision needs to be optional, and the suffix ".yang" dropped, since it doesn't add any value: pattern '.+(@\d{4}-\d{2}-\d{2})?'; (same for inline-spec). BALAZS: I disagree, IMHO we need the revision date. We want to know the=20 exact version the data was produced against. If the version would be=20 unknown it might become very hard to understand whether the instance=20 data is correct or not. o schema-uri The description says: A reference to another YANG instance data file. This instance data file will use the same set of target YANG modules, revisions, supported features and deviations as the referenced YANG instance data file. I don't understand what this means. Does it mean that the schema for this document is the same as the schema defined in the schema-uri file, or that the schema-uri file defines the schema in its content-data? I *think* it is the former. In either case, the name of the leaf can perhaps be changed to reflect the semantics, rather than the syntax (i.e., don't call it xxx-uri just b/c its type is an uri). Perhaps 'same-schema-as-file'. BALAZS: OK, I changed the description hope it is easier to understand = now. description "A reference to another YANG instance data file. This instance data file will use the same content schema as the referenced file."; o Data node naming. The current structure of the model is: +--rw (content-schema-spec)? | +--:(simplified-inline) | +--rw module* string | +--:(inline) | | +--rw inline-spec* string | | +--rw inline-content-schema <anydata> | +--:(uri) | +--rw schema-uri? inet:uri ... +--rw content-data? <anydata> To make the instance document more understandable, I suggest the following structure, which adds a wrapping container for the schema, and renames the inline and uri nodes: +--rw content-schema +--rw (content-schema-spec)? | +--:(simplified-inline) | +--rw module* string | +--:(inline) | | +--rw inline-module* string | | +--rw inline-schema <anydata> | +--:(uri) | +--rw same-schema-as-file? inet:uri ... +--rw content-data? <anydata> BALAZS: OK, accepted o Format the YANG module I suggest you run the YANG module through: pyang -f yang --keep-comments --yang-line-length 69 BALAZS: OK (I will do it, but I don't agree with a number of its = formatting changes. o 3.2 The element "<netconf-state>" needs a namespace declaration. 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Balazs =20 From: netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Andy Bierman Sent: 2019. okt=C3=B3ber 10., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 17:34 To: Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com> Cc: NetMod WG <netmod@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [netmod] comments on = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04 =20 =20 =20 On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 5:06 AM Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com = <mailto:mbj@tail-f.com> > wrote: o leaf-list module The type of this leaf-list is a string with: pattern '.+@\d{4}-\d{2}-\d{2}\.yang'; I think the revision needs to be optional, and the suffix ".yang" dropped, since it doesn't add any value: pattern '.+(@\d{4}-\d{2}-\d{2})?'; (same for inline-spec). =20 IMO the filespec SHOULD follow the pattern in = https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-5.2 BALAZS: It does follow the pattern except that I made the revision date = mandatory. It is needed to properly understand the instance data. =20 Except a new file extension SHOULD be used. Suggest: .yif =3D=3D YANG Instance File =20 Obviously it would be a horrible idea to use .yang since that extension is already used to identify a YANG schema file. BALAZS: The leaf-list lists not the instance data files but the content = defining YANG modules, so IMO =E2=80=9C.yang=E2=80=9D is an appropriate = extension. It is really a YANG schema file we are listing. o Data node naming. The current structure of the model is: +--rw (content-schema-spec)? | +--:(simplified-inline) | +--rw module* string | +--:(inline) | | +--rw inline-spec* string | | +--rw inline-content-schema <anydata> | +--:(uri) | +--rw schema-uri? inet:uri ... +--rw content-data? <anydata> To make the instance document more understandable, I suggest the following structure, which adds a wrapping container for the schema, and renames the inline and uri nodes: +--rw content-schema +--rw (content-schema-spec)? | +--:(simplified-inline) | +--rw module* string | +--:(inline) | | +--rw inline-module* string | | +--rw inline-schema <anydata> | +--:(uri) | +--rw same-schema-as-file? inet:uri ... +--rw content-data? <anydata> =20 +1, except not in favor of so many ways to specify schema. That means the file reader MUST support all of them. =20 BALAZS: All 3 formats have been explicitly requested by earlier = commenters. I see a rational for each: Simplified-inline: it is simple and usually enough Inline: if you need to specify not just the modules but also the = supported features and deviations you need this full format Uri: if you don=E2=80=99t really want to specify the content-schema in = detail, e.g., because you are generating many files with the same = schema, all you need is reference that identifies the content-schema =20 Which one would you like to implementing? Maybe we could make the inline = method optional with a feature (feature if-feature), =20 Andy _______________________________________________ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org <mailto:netmod@ietf.org>=20 https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod ------=_NextPart_001_092E_01D594FB.A11815B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" = xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:m=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" = xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta = http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"><meta = name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 15 (filtered = medium)"><style><!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:"Cambria Math"; panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0cm; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {mso-style-priority:99; color:purple; text-decoration:underline;} p.msonormal0, li.msonormal0, div.msonormal0 {mso-style-name:msonormal; mso-margin-top-alt:auto; margin-right:0cm; mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; margin-left:0cm; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;} span.EmailStyle18 {mso-style-type:personal; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:windowtext;} span.EmailStyle19 {mso-style-type:personal-compose; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:windowtext;} .MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;} @page WordSection1 {size:612.0pt 792.0pt; margin:72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt;} div.WordSection1 {page:WordSection1;} --></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapedefaults v:ext=3D"edit" spidmax=3D"1026" /> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapelayout v:ext=3D"edit"> <o:idmap v:ext=3D"edit" data=3D"1" /> </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=3DEN-US link=3Dblue = vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>See = below!=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0Balazs<o:p></o:p></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> = netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Andy = Bierman<br><b>Sent:</b> 2019. okt=C3=B3ber 10., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k = 17:34<br><b>To:</b> Martin Bjorklund = <mbj@tail-f.com><br><b>Cc:</b> NetMod WG = <netmod@ietf.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [netmod] comments on = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04<o:p></o:p></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On = Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 5:06 AM Martin Bjorklund <<a = href=3D"mailto:mbj@tail-f.com">mbj@tail-f.com</a>> = wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote = style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm = 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;mar= gin-left:11.4pt'><br>  o  leaf-list module<br><br>  =   The type of this leaf-list is a string with:<br><br>    =   pattern '.+@\d{4}-\d{2}-\d{2}\.yang';<br><br>    I = think the revision needs to be optional, and the suffix = ".yang"<br>    dropped, since it doesn't add any = value:<br><br>      pattern = '.+(@\d{4}-\d{2}-\d{2})?';<br><br>   (same for = inline-spec).<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>IMO the filespec SHOULD follow the pattern = in  <a = href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-5.2">https://tools.ie= tf.org/html/rfc7950#section-5.2</a><o:p></o:p></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal>BALAZS: It does follow the pattern except that I made = the revision date mandatory. It is needed to properly understand the = instance data.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>Except a new file extension SHOULD be = used.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Suggest: .yif =3D=3D = YANG Instance File<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>Obviously it would be a horrible idea to use .yang = since that extension<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>is = already used to identify a YANG schema file.<o:p></o:p></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal>BALAZS: The leaf-list lists not the instance data = files but the content defining YANG modules, so IMO = =E2=80=9C.yang=E2=80=9D is an appropriate extension. It is really a YANG = schema file we are listing.<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote = style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm = 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;mar= gin-left:11.4pt'><br><br>  o  Data node naming.<br><br>  =   The current structure of the model is:<br><br>    =     +--rw (content-schema-spec)?<br>      =   |  +--:(simplified-inline)<br>        = |     +--rw module*          =        string<br>        |  = +--:(inline)<br>        |  |  +--rw = inline-spec*            string<br>  =       |  |  +--rw inline-content-schema  =  <anydata><br>        |  = +--:(uri)<br>        |     +--rw = schema-uri?           inet:uri<br>  =       ...<br>        +--rw = content-data?        =  <anydata><br><br><br>    To make the instance = document more understandable, I suggest the<br>    following = structure, which adds a wrapping container for the<br>    = schema, and renames the inline and uri nodes:<br><br>    =     +--rw content-schema<br>          =  +--rw (content-schema-spec)?<br>          =  |  +--:(simplified-inline)<br>        =    |     +--rw module*      =            string<br>      =      |  +--:(inline)<br>        =    |  |  +--rw inline-module*      =     string<br>           |  = |  +--rw inline-schema          =  <anydata><br>          =  |  +--:(uri)<br>          =  |     +--rw same-schema-as-file?    = inet:uri<br>        ...<br>      =   +--rw content-data?        =  <anydata><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>+1, except not in favor of so many ways to specify = schema.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>That means the = file reader MUST support all of them.<o:p></o:p></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>BALAZS: All = 3 formats have been explicitly requested by earlier commenters. I see a = rational for each:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Simplified-inline: = it is simple and usually enough<o:p></o:p></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal>Inline: if you need to specify not just the modules = but also the supported features and deviations you need this full = format<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Uri: if you don=E2=80=99t = really want to specify the content-schema in detail, e.g., because you = are generating many files with the same schema, all you need is = reference that identifies the content-schema<o:p></o:p></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Which one = would you like to implementing? Maybe we could make the inline method = optional with a feature (feature = if-feature),<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>Andy<br>_______________________________________________= <br>netmod mailing list<br><a href=3D"mailto:netmod@ietf.org" = target=3D"_blank">netmod@ietf.org</a><br><a = href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod" = target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod</a><o:p></= o:p></p></div></div></div></div></body></html> ------=_NextPart_001_092E_01D594FB.A11815B0-- ------=_NextPart_000_092D_01D594FB.A11815B0 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIVbjCCAyAw ggIIoAMCAQICAR0wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwOTELMAkGA1UEBhMCRkkxDzANBgNVBAoTBlNvbmVy YTEZMBcGA1UEAxMQU29uZXJhIENsYXNzMiBDQTAeFw0wMTA0MDYwNzI5NDBaFw0yMTA0MDYwNzI5 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<https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/netmod/> List-Post: <mailto:netmod@ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2019 23:07:51 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_0950_01D594FF.5FC0CD60 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0951_01D594FF.5FC0CD60" ------=_NextPart_001_0951_01D594FF.5FC0CD60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable See below, Balazs =20 From: netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Andy Bierman Sent: 2019. okt=C3=B3ber 10., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 19:38 To: Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com> Cc: NetMod WG <netmod@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [netmod] comments on = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04 =20 =20 =20 On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 8:34 AM Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com = <mailto:andy@yumaworks.com> > wrote: =20 =20 On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 5:06 AM Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com = <mailto:mbj@tail-f.com> > wrote: Hi, I have some mostly cosmetic comments on this draft. o "YANG" should be spelled "YANG". Not Yang etc. o "NETCONF" should be spelled "NETCONF". o leaf-list module The type of this leaf-list is a string with: pattern '.+@\d{4}-\d{2}-\d{2}\.yang'; I think the revision needs to be optional, and the suffix ".yang" dropped, since it doesn't add any value: pattern '.+(@\d{4}-\d{2}-\d{2})?'; (same for inline-spec). =20 =20 IMO the filespec SHOULD follow the pattern in = https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-5.2 =20 Except a new file extension SHOULD be used. Suggest: .yif =3D=3D YANG Instance File =20 Obviously it would be a horrible idea to use .yang since that extension is already used to identify a YANG schema file. =20 =20 =20 Sorry about the confusion over this comment. =20 There should be reusable typedefs defined in rfc6991bis representing the = format in 7950, sec. 5.2 =20 There should also be file extensions defined for an XML or JSON file = that is expected to follow the YIF structure. =20 =20 =20 Andy BALAZS:=20 For the modules listed in leaf-list module: These are real YANG schema = files so IMO the =E2=80=9C.yang=E2=80=9D extension should be used. For the instance data files: In the -00 version of the draft it was = stated that the files should have their own extension = =E2=80=9C.yid=E2=80=9D .=20 =E2=80=9C.yid-json=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9C.yid-xml=E2=80=9D was also = discussed. However, the group requested that I just use .json and .xml as = extensions (as described in section 3.) =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0951_01D594FF.5FC0CD60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" = xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:m=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" = xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta = http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"><meta = name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 15 (filtered = medium)"><style><!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:"Cambria Math"; panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0cm; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;} a:link, 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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>See below, = Balazs<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> = <b>On Behalf Of </b>Andy Bierman<br><b>Sent:</b> 2019. okt=C3=B3ber 10., = cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 19:38<br><b>To:</b> Martin Bjorklund = <mbj@tail-f.com><br><b>Cc:</b> NetMod WG = <netmod@ietf.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [netmod] comments on = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04<o:p></o:p></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On = Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 8:34 AM Andy Bierman <<a = href=3D"mailto:andy@yumaworks.com">andy@yumaworks.com</a>> = wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote = style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm = 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On = Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 5:06 AM Martin Bjorklund <<a = href=3D"mailto:mbj@tail-f.com" target=3D"_blank">mbj@tail-f.com</a>> = wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote = style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm = 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Hi,<br><br>I have some mostly cosmetic = comments on this draft.<br><br>  o  "YANG" should be = spelled "YANG".  Not Yang etc.<br><br><br>  o  = "NETCONF" should be spelled = "NETCONF".<br><br><br>  o  leaf-list = module<br><br>    The type of this leaf-list is a string = with:<br><br>      pattern = '.+@\d{4}-\d{2}-\d{2}\.yang';<br><br>    I think the revision = needs to be optional, and the suffix ".yang"<br>    = dropped, since it doesn't add any value:<br><br>      = pattern '.+(@\d{4}-\d{2}-\d{2})?';<br><br>   (same for = inline-spec).<br><br><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>IMO the filespec SHOULD follow the pattern = in  <a = href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-5.2" = target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-5.2</a><o:p= ></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>Except a new file extension SHOULD be = used.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Suggest: .yif =3D=3D = YANG Instance File<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>Obviously it would be a horrible idea to use .yang = since that extension<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>is = already used to identify a YANG schema file.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><di= v><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>Sorry about the confusion over this = comment.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>There should be reusable typedefs defined in = rfc6991bis representing the format in 7950, sec. = 5.2<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>There should also be file extensions defined for an = XML or JSON file that is expected to<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>follow the YIF = structure.  <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>Andy<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>BALAZS: = <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>For the modules listed in leaf-list = module: These are real YANG schema files so IMO the = =E2=80=9C.yang=E2=80=9D extension should be used.<o:p></o:p></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal>For 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Balazs > > > > *From:* netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> *On Behalf Of *Andy Bierman > *Sent:* 2019. okt=C3=B3ber 10., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 17:34 > *To:* Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com> > *Cc:* NetMod WG <netmod@ietf.org> > *Subject:* Re: [netmod] comments on > draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04 > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 5:06 AM Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com> wrote: > > > o leaf-list module > > The type of this leaf-list is a string with: > > pattern '.+@\d{4}-\d{2}-\d{2}\.yang'; > > I think the revision needs to be optional, and the suffix ".yang" > dropped, since it doesn't add any value: > > pattern '.+(@\d{4}-\d{2}-\d{2})?'; > > (same for inline-spec). > > > > IMO the filespec SHOULD follow the pattern in > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-5.2 > > BALAZS: It does follow the pattern except that I made the revision date > mandatory. It is needed to properly understand the instance data. > > > The representation (.yang vs .yin) is not relevant here. Revision statements are optional in a YANG module, so what fake date string do you use if the module has no revision? Seems prudent to make the date-string optional in the filename. Except a new file extension SHOULD be used. > > Suggest: .yif =3D=3D YANG Instance File > > > > Obviously it would be a horrible idea to use .yang since that extension > > is already used to identify a YANG schema file. > > BALAZS: The leaf-list lists not the instance data files but the content > defining YANG modules, so IMO =E2=80=9C.yang=E2=80=9D is an appropriate e= xtension. It is > really a YANG schema file we are listing. > > > I confused this file with names of modules in the data. IMO it would be useful to have an extension for XML and JSON representation= s of a YANG instance file, but we can leave that out of the standard. > > o Data node naming. > > The current structure of the model is: > > +--rw (content-schema-spec)? > | +--:(simplified-inline) > | +--rw module* string > | +--:(inline) > | | +--rw inline-spec* string > | | +--rw inline-content-schema <anydata> > | +--:(uri) > | +--rw schema-uri? inet:uri > ... > +--rw content-data? <anydata> > > > To make the instance document more understandable, I suggest the > following structure, which adds a wrapping container for the > schema, and renames the inline and uri nodes: > > +--rw content-schema > +--rw (content-schema-spec)? > | +--:(simplified-inline) > | +--rw module* string > | +--:(inline) > | | +--rw inline-module* string > | | +--rw inline-schema <anydata> > | +--:(uri) > | +--rw same-schema-as-file? inet:uri > ... > +--rw content-data? <anydata> > > > > +1, except not in favor of so many ways to specify schema. > > That means the file reader MUST support all of them. > > > > BALAZS: All 3 formats have been explicitly requested by earlier > commenters. I see a rational for each: > > Simplified-inline: it is simple and usually enough > > Inline: if you need to specify not just the modules but also the supporte= d > features and deviations you need this full format > > Uri: if you don=E2=80=99t really want to specify the content-schema in de= tail, > e.g., because you are generating many files with the same schema, all you > need is reference that identifies the content-schema > > > > Which one would you like to implementing? Maybe we could make the inline > method optional with a feature (feature if-feature), > > > I will just deviate out the stuff not worth implementing. ;-) I prefer the schema-uri approach but simplified-inline is probably easiest to implement. The schema-uri looks standard but the contents of the referenced YANG instance file can be anything (as opposed to a pre-defined YANG template like /yang-library). The inline-content-schema object looks broken because a YANG file is a text string. How does one use anydata to encode a text string? (It must be a container of YANG data nodes). Even the YIN representation is not a set of YANG data nodes, so anydata encoding seems wrong. Including all the YANG modules in this file seems especially heavyweight. (I have no intention of supporting this mode.) > Andy > Andy > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > --00000000000036f6180596b5b81f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">= <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 2:40 PM Bal=C3= =A1zs Lengyel <<a href=3D"mailto:balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com">balazs.len= gyel@ericsson.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"= style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);p= adding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"gmail-m_2482454045384556= 491WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">See below!=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0Balazs= <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class= =3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> netmod <<a href=3D"mailto:netmod-bounces@iet= f.org" target=3D"_blank">netmod-bounces@ietf.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </= b>Andy Bierman<br><b>Sent:</b> 2019. okt=C3=B3ber 10., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3= =B6k 17:34<br><b>To:</b> Martin Bjorklund <<a href=3D"mailto:mbj@tail-f.= com" target=3D"_blank">mbj@tail-f.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> NetMod WG <<= a href=3D"mailto:netmod@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">netmod@ietf.org</a>>= <br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [netmod] comments on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instanc= e-file-format-04<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></= u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><p cla= ss=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">O= n Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 5:06 AM Martin Bjorklund <<a href=3D"mailto:mbj@t= ail-f.com" target=3D"_blank">mbj@tail-f.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p= ></div><blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom= :none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin= -left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-right:= 0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:11.4pt"><br>=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 leaf-list mod= ule<br><br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The type of this leaf-list is a string with:<br><b= r>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 pattern '.+@\d{4}-\d{2}-\d{2}\.yang';<br><br= >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I think the revision needs to be optional, and the suffix &q= uot;.yang"<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 dropped, since it doesn't add any valu= e:<br><br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 pattern '.+(@\d{4}-\d{2}-\d{2})?';<b= r><br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0(same for inline-spec).<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><d= iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"Ms= oNormal">IMO the filespec SHOULD follow the pattern in=C2=A0=C2=A0<a href= =3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-5.2" target=3D"_blank">http= s://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-5.2</a><u></u><u></u></p><p class= =3D"MsoNormal">BALAZS: It does follow the pattern except that I made the re= vision date mandatory. It is needed to properly understand the instance dat= a.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0</p></di= v></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The representati= on (.yang vs .yin) is not relevant here.</div><div>Revision statements are = optional in a YANG module, so what fake date string do you</div><div>use if= the module has no revision?=C2=A0 Seems prudent to make the date-string op= tional in the filename.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot= e" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204)= ;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"gmail-m_24824540453845= 56491WordSection1"><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u></p></div><= div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Except a new file extension SHOULD be used.<u></= u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Suggest: .yif =3D=3D YANG In= stance File<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2= =A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Obviously it would be a hor= rible idea to use .yang since that extension<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p= class=3D"MsoNormal">is already used to identify a YANG schema file.<u></u>= <u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">BALAZS: The leaf-list lists not the insta= nce data files but the content defining YANG modules, so IMO =E2=80=9C.yang= =E2=80=9D is an appropriate extension. It is really a YANG schema file we a= re listing.<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;bor= der-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);pa= dding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNo= rmal" style=3D"margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:11.4pt"><br>= </p></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I= confused this file with names of modules in the data.</div><div>IMO it wou= ld be useful to have an extension for XML and JSON representations</div><di= v>of a YANG instance file, but we can leave that out of the standard.</div>= <div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px = 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lan= g=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"gmail-m_2482454045384556491WordSection1"><div><di= v><blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none= ;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left= :4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-right:0cm;m= argin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:11.4pt"><br>=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 Data node naming.<= br><br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The current structure of the model is:<br><br>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +--rw (content-schema-spec)?<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +--:(simplified-inline)<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+--rw module*=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0string<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +--:(inline)= <br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +--rw inline-spec*=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 string<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |= =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +--rw inline-content-schema=C2=A0 =C2=A0<anydata><br>= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +--:(uri)<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+--rw schema-uri?=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0inet:uri<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ...<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 +--rw content-data?=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<anydata= ><br><br><br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 To make the instance document more understand= able, I suggest the<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 following structure, which adds a wrap= ping container for the<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 schema, and renames the inline and = uri nodes:<br><br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +--rw content-schema<br>=C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+--rw (content-schema-spec)?<br>=C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 +--:(simplified-inline)<br>= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+--rw module*= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0string<br>=C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 +--:(inline)<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +--rw inline-module*=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 string<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +--rw inline-schema=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0<anydata><br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 += --:(uri)<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+= --rw same-schema-as-file?=C2=A0 =C2=A0 inet:uri<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 ...<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +--rw content-data?=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<anydata><br><br><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><div= ><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoN= ormal">+1, except not in favor of so many ways to specify schema.<u></u><u>= </u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">That means the file reader MUST s= upport all of them.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u= ></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">BALAZS: All 3 formats have been explicitly = requested by earlier commenters. I see a rational for each:<u></u><u></u></= p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Simplified-inline: it is simple and usually enough= <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Inline: if you need to specify not= just the modules but also the supported features and deviations you need t= his full format<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Uri: if you don=E2= =80=99t really want to specify the content-schema in detail, e.g., because = you are generating many files with the same schema, all you need is referen= ce that identifies the content-schema<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNorma= l"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Which one would you like = to implementing? Maybe we could make the inline method optional with a feat= ure (feature if-feature),<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal= "><u></u>=C2=A0</p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></di= v><div>I will just deviate out the stuff not worth implementing. ;-)</div><= div>I prefer the schema-uri approach but simplified-inline is probably easi= est to implement.</div><div><br></div><div>The schema-uri looks standard bu= t the contents of the referenced YANG instance file can be</div><div>anythi= ng (as opposed to a pre-defined YANG template like /yang-library).</div><di= v><br></div><div>The inline-content-schema object looks broken because a YA= NG file is a text string.</div><div>How does one use anydata to encode a te= xt string? (It must be a container of YANG data nodes).</div><div>Even the = YIN representation is not a set of YANG data nodes, so anydata encoding see= ms wrong.</div><div>Including all the YANG modules in this file seems espec= ially heavyweight.</div><div>(I have no intention of supporting this mode.)= </div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty= le=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddi= ng-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"gmail-m_2482454045384556491W= ordSection1"><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u></p></div><div><p= class=3D"MsoNormal">Andy<br></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote= ><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Andy</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote = class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px sol= id rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"gma= il-m_2482454045384556491WordSection1"><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"= >_______________________________________________<br>netmod mailing list<br>= <a href=3D"mailto:netmod@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">netmod@ietf.org</a><br= ><a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod" target=3D"_blank"= >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod</a><u></u><u></u></p></div></= div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div> --00000000000036f6180596b5b81f-- From nobody Wed Nov 6 15:44:02 2019 Return-Path: <andy@yumaworks.com> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24395120043 for <netmod@ietfa.amsl.com>; 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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 3:07 PM Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson= .com> wrote: > See below, Balazs > > > > *From:* netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> *On Behalf Of *Andy Bierman > *Sent:* 2019. okt=C3=B3ber 10., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 19:38 > *To:* Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com> > *Cc:* NetMod WG <netmod@ietf.org> > *Subject:* Re: [netmod] comments on > draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04 > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 8:34 AM Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 5:06 AM Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > I have some mostly cosmetic comments on this draft. > > o "YANG" should be spelled "YANG". Not Yang etc. > > > o "NETCONF" should be spelled "NETCONF". > > > o leaf-list module > > The type of this leaf-list is a string with: > > pattern '.+@\d{4}-\d{2}-\d{2}\.yang'; > > I think the revision needs to be optional, and the suffix ".yang" > dropped, since it doesn't add any value: > > pattern '.+(@\d{4}-\d{2}-\d{2})?'; > > (same for inline-spec). > > > > > > IMO the filespec SHOULD follow the pattern in > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-5.2 > > > > Except a new file extension SHOULD be used. > > Suggest: .yif =3D=3D YANG Instance File > > > > Obviously it would be a horrible idea to use .yang since that extension > > is already used to identify a YANG schema file. > > > > > > > > Sorry about the confusion over this comment. > > > > There should be reusable typedefs defined in rfc6991bis representing the > format in 7950, sec. 5.2 > > > > There should also be file extensions defined for an XML or JSON file that > is expected to > > follow the YIF structure. > > > > > > Andy > > BALAZS: > > For the modules listed in leaf-list module: These are real YANG schema > files so IMO the =E2=80=9C.yang=E2=80=9D extension should be used. > > For the instance data files: In the -00 version of the draft it was state= d > that the files should have their own extension =E2=80=9C.yid=E2=80=9D . > > =E2=80=9C.yid-json=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9C.yid-xml=E2=80=9D was also discu= ssed. > > However, the group requested that I just use .json and .xml as extension= s > (as described in section 3.) > > IMO section 3 is too specific about the content within the content-data node. The only requirement should be that it is valid XML or JSON according to the schema listed. All content should be identified, so if you include or:origin attributes then ietf-origin MUST be in the schema list. It is a bad idea to force tools to accept invalid XML (e.g., no xmlns for a prefix that is used. The text about the required file-name structure if timestamps are present seems rather arbitrary. What if the tool generating the file is not aware of specific YANG objects, so it does not know there are data nodes representing timestamps? Why is this needed? The file contains revision and timestamp meta-data. If the leaf name is present in the instance data header this MUST be used. Revision-date MUST be set to the latest revision date inside the instance data set. I do not understand the text above. IMO none of sec. 3 MUST requirements are needed. Looks like a lot of CLRs to me. Hard to see what harm to the Internet is caused by a YID file that is named "incorrectly". Tools will create their own file extensions, because lumping everything in with .xml or .json is shortsighted. Why does the standard say SHALL use .xml or .json? Is this a general requirement for all XML or JSON content? If not, then why is being added here? How does the tool that reads the YID file know what version of the YID template is being used? (Or do you think this module is perfect, and will never be updated?) Seems like the very first leaf should be a "yid-version", similar to "yang-version" in YANG. Andy --0000000000002f67ae0596b61f58 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">= <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 3:07 PM Bal=C3= =A1zs Lengyel <<a href=3D"mailto:balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com">balazs.len= gyel@ericsson.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"= style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);p= adding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"gmail-m_5239729712996771= 431WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">See below, Balazs<u></u><u></u></p>= <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>Fr= om:</b> netmod <<a href=3D"mailto:netmod-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_bl= ank">netmod-bounces@ietf.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Andy Bierman<br><b= >Sent:</b> 2019. okt=C3=B3ber 10., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 19:38<br><b>To:= </b> Martin Bjorklund <<a href=3D"mailto:mbj@tail-f.com" target=3D"_blan= k">mbj@tail-f.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> NetMod WG <<a href=3D"mailto:net= mod@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">netmod@ietf.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> = Re: [netmod] comments on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04<u><= /u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p c= lass=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u>= </u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 = at 8:34 AM Andy Bierman <<a href=3D"mailto:andy@yumaworks.com" target=3D= "_blank">andy@yumaworks.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquo= te style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-lef= t:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;marg= in-right:0cm"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></di= v><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoN= ormal">On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 5:06 AM Martin Bjorklund <<a href=3D"mail= to:mbj@tail-f.com" target=3D"_blank">mbj@tail-f.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u= ></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;borde= r-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6p= t;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margi= n-bottom:12pt">Hi,<br><br>I have some mostly cosmetic comments on this draf= t.<br><br>=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 "YANG" should be spelled "YANG"= ;.=C2=A0 Not Yang etc.<br><br><br>=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 "NETCONF" should= be spelled "NETCONF".<br><br><br>=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 leaf-list module= <br><br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The type of this leaf-list is a string with:<br><br>= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 pattern '.+@\d{4}-\d{2}-\d{2}\.yang';<br><br>= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I think the revision needs to be optional, and the suffix &qu= ot;.yang"<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 dropped, since it doesn't add any value= :<br><br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 pattern '.+(@\d{4}-\d{2}-\d{2})?';<br= ><br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0(same for inline-spec).<br><br><u></u><u></u></p></blockq= uote><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p clas= s=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I= MO the filespec SHOULD follow the pattern in=C2=A0=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://= tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-5.2" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ie= tf.org/html/rfc7950#section-5.2</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D= "MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Excep= t a new file extension SHOULD be used.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class= =3D"MsoNormal">Suggest: .yif =3D=3D YANG Instance File<u></u><u></u></p></d= iv><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class= =3D"MsoNormal">Obviously it would be a horrible idea to use .yang since tha= t extension<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">is already u= sed to identify a YANG schema file.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D= "MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p = class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma= l"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sorry about th= e confusion over this comment.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoN= ormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">There shou= ld be reusable typedefs defined in rfc6991bis representing the format in 79= 50, sec. 5.2<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2= =A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">There should also be file e= xtensions defined for an XML or JSON file that is expected to<u></u><u></u>= </p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">follow the YIF structure.=C2=A0=C2=A0= <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p= ></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p cl= ass=3D"MsoNormal">Andy<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">BALAZS: <u><= /u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">For the modules listed in leaf-list mo= dule: These are real YANG schema files so IMO the =E2=80=9C.yang=E2=80=9D e= xtension should be used.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">For the in= stance data files: In the -00 version of the draft it was stated that the f= iles should have their own extension =E2=80=9C.yid=E2=80=9D . <u></u><u></u= ></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=9C.yid-json=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9C.yid-x= ml=E2=80=9D was also discussed.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> Ho= wever, the group requested that I just use .json and .xml =C2=A0as extensio= ns (as described in section 3.)<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D= "border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid= rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0c= m"><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:11.4pt"></p><= /div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br= ></div><div>IMO section 3 is too specific about the content within the cont= ent-data node.</div><div>The only requirement should be that it is valid XM= L or JSON according to</div><div>the schema listed.=C2=A0 All content shoul= d be identified, so if you include or:origin attributes</div><div>then ietf= -origin MUST be in the schema list.=C2=A0 It is a bad idea to force=C2=A0to= ols to accept</div><div>invalid XML (e.g., no xmlns for a prefix that is us= ed.</div><div><br></div><div>The text about the required file-name structur= e if timestamps are present</div><div>seems rather arbitrary.=C2=A0 What if= the tool generating the file is not aware of</div><div>specific YANG objec= ts, so it does not know there are data nodes representing timestamps?</div>= <div>Why is this needed? The file contains revision and timestamp meta-data= .</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><pre style=3D"box-sizing:border-b= ox;overflow:auto;font-family:"PT Mono",Monaco,monospace;font-size= :14px;padding:10px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:10.5px;line-height:1.214;co= lor:rgb(0,0,0);word-break:break-all;background-color:rgb(255,253,245);borde= r:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);border-radius:4px"> If the leaf name is pres= ent in the instance data header this MUST be used. Revision-date MUST be set to the latest revision date inside the instance data set.</pre></div><div><br></div><div>I do not= understand the text above.</div><div>IMO none of sec. 3 MUST requirements = are needed.</div><div>Looks like a lot of CLRs to me.</div><div><br></div><= div>Hard to see what harm to the Internet is caused</div><div>by a YID file= that is named "incorrectly".=C2=A0 Tools will create their own f= ile extensions, because</div><div>lumping everything in with .xml or .json = is shortsighted. Why does the standard say SHALL</div><div>use .xml or .jso= n?=C2=A0 Is this a general requirement for all XML or JSON content?</div><d= iv>If not, then why is being added here?</div><div><br></div><div>How does = the tool that reads the YID file know what version of the YID template is b= eing used?</div><div>(Or do you think this module is perfect, and will neve= r be updated?)</div><div>Seems like the very first leaf should be a "y= id-version", similar to "yang-version" in YANG.</div><div><b= r></div><div><br></div><div>Andy</div><div><br></div></div></div> --0000000000002f67ae0596b61f58-- From nobody Wed Nov 6 17:07:51 2019 Return-Path: <bill.wu@huawei.com> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0A19120045 for <netmod@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 17:07:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FbblP9d3WteP for <netmod@ietfa.amsl.com>; 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charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/oT4Qwd5sWZLWBvWI4uMCyuZF_a4> Subject: Re: [netmod] comments on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list <netmod.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/netmod/> List-Post: <mailto:netmod@ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2019 08:08:40 -0000 Hi, Bal=E1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com> wrote: > Hello Martin, > I will update the draft following most of your comments. See details = below. > Regards Balazs > = > -----Original Message----- > From: netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Martin Bjorklund > Sent: 2019. okt=F3ber 10., cs=FCt=F6rt=F6k 14:05 > To: netmod@ietf.org > Subject: [netmod] comments on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-fo= rmat-04 > = > Hi, > = > I have some mostly cosmetic comments on this draft. > o "YANG" should be spelled "YANG". Not Yang etc. > BALAZS: OK > o "NETCONF" should be spelled "NETCONF". > BALAZS: OK > o leaf-list module > The type of this leaf-list is a string with: > pattern '.+@\d{4}-\d{2}-\d{2}\.yang'; > I think the revision needs to be optional, and the suffix ".yang"= > dropped, since it doesn't add any value: > pattern '.+(@\d{4}-\d{2}-\d{2})?'; > (same for inline-spec). > BALAZS: I disagree, IMHO we need the revision date. We want to know t= he = > exact version the data was produced against. If the version would be = > unknown it might become very hard to understand whether the instance = > data is correct or not. The point is that the revision statement is optional in YANG. If the module doesn't have a revision statement I can't list it here. > = > o schema-uri > The description says: > A reference to another YANG instance data file. > This instance data file will use the same set of target > YANG modules, revisions, supported features and deviations > as the referenced YANG instance data file. > = > I don't understand what this means. Does it mean that the schema > for this document is the same as the schema defined in the > schema-uri file, or that the schema-uri file defines the schema in= > its content-data? > = > I *think* it is the former. In either case, the name of the leaf > can perhaps be changed to reflect the semantics, rather than the > syntax (i.e., don't call it xxx-uri just b/c its type is an uri). > Perhaps 'same-schema-as-file'. > BALAZS: OK, I changed the description hope it is easier to understan= d now. > description > "A reference to another YANG instance data file. > This instance data file will use the same > content schema as the referenced file."; Thanks, better. Perhaps: s/will use/uses/ > o Data node naming. > The current structure of the model is: > +--rw (content-schema-spec)? > | +--:(simplified-inline) > | +--rw module* string > | +--:(inline) > | | +--rw inline-spec* string > | | +--rw inline-content-schema <anydata> > | +--:(uri) > | +--rw schema-uri? inet:uri > ... > +--rw content-data? <anydata> > = > = > To make the instance document more understandable, I suggest the > following structure, which adds a wrapping container for the > schema, and renames the inline and uri nodes: > = > +--rw content-schema > +--rw (content-schema-spec)? > | +--:(simplified-inline) > | +--rw module* string > | +--:(inline) > | | +--rw inline-module* string > | | +--rw inline-schema <anydata> > | +--:(uri) > | +--rw same-schema-as-file? inet:uri > ... > +--rw content-data? <anydata> > BALAZS: OK, accepted > = > o Format the YANG module > I suggest you run the YANG module through: > pyang -f yang --keep-comments --yang-line-length 69 > BALAZS: OK (I will do it, but I don't agree with a number of its form= atting > changes. > = > o 3.2 > The element "<netconf-state>" needs a namespace declaration. > BALAZS: OK /martin From nobody Thu Nov 7 00:17:29 2019 Return-Path: <mbj@tail-f.com> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8026120800 for <netmod@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 7 Nov 2019 00:17:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ANFWLbp9R5iR for <netmod@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 7 Nov 2019 00:17:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com 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<https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/_mnDTh5_uAKMRU6gcDV0RfNH2f0> Subject: Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04.txt X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list <netmod.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/netmod/> List-Post: <mailto:netmod@ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2019 14:45:25 -0000 ------=_Part_5464_635203024.1573137314013 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Qin,=20 Thanks for=C2=A0 the=C2=A0 interesting and fruitful discussion.=20 The most important next step in my opinion is to agree on how we model PVs.= Specifically,=20 1. How the client can configure a PV=C2=A0 of a known type (defined in a YA= NG model supported=C2=A0 by the server);=20 2. How the client can use PVs in the ECAs (computation actions, condition e= valuation, RPC input/output, notifications sent to the client, etc.)=20 This done, I believe, everything else will fall into place rather quickly a= nd relatively simple.=20 F2F meeting in Singapore will help a lot.=20 Unfortunately,=C2=A0 I am not coming to Singapore,=C2=A0 but Xufeng will be= there. I am looking forward=C2=A0 to a good progress.=20 Cheers and good luck,=20 Igor=20 Get Outlook for Android On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 8:07 AM -0500, "Qin Wu" <bill.wu@huawei.com> wrote: Hi, Igor: Thank for your clarification, please see my follow up comments. =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Igor Bryskin [mailto:i_bryskin@yahoo.com] =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2019=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=886=E6=97=A5 23:04 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: netmod@ietf.org; draft-bryskin-netconf-automat= ion-yang@ietf.org; Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net>; Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.co= m> =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang@ietf.org =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: I-D Action: draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04.txt =C2=A0 Hi Qin, =C2=A0 [ snipped] ........ =C2=A0 1.The Expression clause in an ECA could be very complex and hence requires = a complex syntax to articulate. To address this in our contribution (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bryskin-netconf-automation-yang/) we proposed two methods: a) When configuring Condition using XPath expression string. This allows ex= pressing Conditions of arbitrary complexity, but does require servers to (sufficiently) suppor= t XPath language; [Qin]:XPATH expression is supported in model proposed in draft-wwx, it is m= odelled as one of member of union, i.e., instance-identifier, in addition, we support model three o= ther member types Type yang:object-identifier; Type yang:uuid; Type string =C2=A0 IB>> Good. Please, note that we were told on many occasions that because of= potentiality very complex syntax of the ECA Condition clause, the XPath expression string is realistically the only ch= oice, all alternatives are introduced for model completeness more than anyt= hing else - too cumbersome to be useful. =C2=A0 [Qin]: Tend to agree, this is complexity we can consider to get rid of. b) For the case of simpler servers we defined elementary logical primitives= that could be used in building bottom up in hierarchical manner complex logical expressions= =20 =C2=A0 [Qin]: I believe you are talking about Condition Expression, which is corre= sponding to ietf-trigger.yang defined in draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04. We model them as three trigger = conditions 1.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 An existence test monitors and manag= es the absence, presence, and change of a data object 2.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 A Boolean test compares the value of= the monitored object with the reference value and takes action according t= o the comparison result. 3.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 A Threshold trigger condition regula= rly compares compares the value of the monitored object with the threshold = values. In each trigger condition, we will break down them into policy variable and= policy value based on RFC3460, policy variable is renamed as target, policy value is renamed as value in proposed ECA mod= el =C2=A0 IB>> IMHO this is not=C2=A0 sufficient, not even close. =C2=A0 [Qin]: Actually it can be extended, the essence of trigger condition is <ta= rget><relation><arg> which is similar to <arg1><relation><arg2> in draft-bryskin would you like to provide an example which can not be expressed by these tr= igger conditions? I am open to the better design choice. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 IB2>>> Realistically, this is not much of a use. Imagine you are a client a= nd you have to express a condition made of some 80 logical operations. Using the above would be very cumbersome. And=C2=A0 what if in addition to= the logical operations condition expression includes other operations, suc= h as arithmetic, function calls, etc. ? =C2=A0 =C2=A0[Qin-2]: I agree arithmetic, function calls is useful, but it is defi= ned as part of action in the ECA model, right? Not part of condition statement? Just to clarify, the target defined under event in draft-wwx is a target li= st, which is similar to policy variables list. Two key elements in trigger conditions are target, value, target is pointi= ng to target under event and doesn=E2=80=99t need to be the data object tha= t is being monitored or managed, it can be policy variable that is not pres= ented in any YANG data model, value is expressed as one similar to <arg2> In draft-bryskin. Operator in Boolean condition trigger case is similar to comparison-operati= on, it is not clear to me why condition made of 80 logical operations can n= ot be described, maybe logical-operation-type should be introduced in the ECA model explici= tly. We actually talk about this AND and OR design in the section 3.1 of dr= aft-bwd-netmod-eca-framework-00. In addition, I am wondering how to describe a condition when a network event is triggere= d when the monitored object disappear or appear or change How do you describe a condition when network event is triggered if the diff= erence between the current measurement value and the previous measurement value of monitored data object is smaller than or equal to the = delta falling threshold. I see the big difference is you defined local policy variable, distinct fro= m global policy variable, global policy variable can apply to multiple script. I am not sure these scripts are gen= erated from ECA YANG data model? Or pre-configured? How these scripts are d= ifferent func call or XPAH function? In addition, it is not clear to me why we mixed policy variable with policy= value. I can not see difference between them by reading draft-bryskin. The policy value can be constant, or change= based on some calculation method, see example of condition in section 5.8.= 3 of rfc3460. Do we need to align with RFC3460? =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I feel you change the meaning of policy variable, since in bryskin=E2=80=99= s draft, policy variable is described as an output parameter of an RPC whic= h is not consistent with the definition in RFC3460, in my opinion. IB>> No, I have not. In our definition a PV is a variable where an ECA thre= ad stores results of computations and output of algorithms/RPCs, so that th= e results could be used within a single thread or between multiple threads = of the same or different ECAs, could provide input for automatic re-configu= rations and RPCs, could be used in Condition evaluations, could be exposed = directly to the client via notifications, etc. In short, this is the place = where ECAs store and accumulate the results of their work =C2=A0[Qin]: I thought PV is corresponding to target defined in draft-wwx, = or data object to be monitored, we will reflect the change of data object or target in the action definiti= on of ECA model. I see the only difference on model design, is target or policy variable is = separated from ietf-event, or part of ietf-event. If the reason why we should have a separate policy-variable is we should store state on poli= cy-variable or target, I think put policy-variable into ietf-event, you sti= ll can store state related to policy-variable in ietf-event, No? =C2=A0 IB2>> PV is a variable of the ECA language - i.e. a memory structure where = ECA thread execution results could be stored to be used in subsequent Condition evaluations and Action inputs. In my view, PV has nothing to do = with PUSH target, [Qin-2]:PV is very powerful, it can change over time, it can be overridden,= however it is also hard to keep track of which PV is impacted by which PV, which PV is final execution results? Which execution order we should f= ollows. PV can be explicit PV and implicit PV based on RFC3460, if it is explicitly= PV, it is related to data object or data instance you manipulated. If it is implicit PV, it could be used to store tempo results. In addition, we you define PV type as XPATH, it is actually related to data= object you subscribed, in my opinion. 2. Your model seems to suggest for ECA Action=C2=A0 not much more than PUSH= ing a notification (triggered by a certain event and satisfying the configured condition) to the client = with the hope that the client will subsequently request some device/network= re-configurations ro react to the event. =C2=A0 [Qin]:Igor, the ECA action proposed in the model of draft-wwx-netmod-event-= yang-04 can do more than PUSHing a notification, it have supported the following capabilities: 1)Configuration data object reconfiguration =C2=A0 IB>> Good, but keep in mind that the parameters of such configurations coul= d not be limited to values specified by the client at the time of ECA configuration ( such values we call Policy Const= ants (PCs)). It is imperative to allow for the results of the ECA thread co= mputations to be also used as values to configure (i.e. PVs along with PCs) =C2=A0 [Qin]: Yes, I have been aware that Policy constant is different from Policy= variable, Are both pointing to the same monitored data objects? I think whether it is policy constant or policy variable, it should be set = or configured only when certain conditions hold. =C2=A0 IB2>> How do you allow the client to say "When Event E is fired, configure = leaf L with a value computed using expression X"? Our suggestion is via two sun-Acrions associated with the ECA: first computes the express= ion X and stores it in a PV, second executes edit-config with the PV conten= t as a value. [Qin-2]: I agree arithmetic, function calls we should cover in ECA model. I= n the current model, we only support on event invoke another event. In your case, how to hook them together and de= fine the work flow, e.g., first do this, and do that, this PV should be out= putted by this process, input into another process? I think there is some c= hallenge we should see how to tackle, right? I am wondering where do you store the results of computations(e.g., mean/va= riance) or some tempo value of monitored data object? =C2=A0 IB2>> This is exactly what PV is for You use policy variable itself or you have somewhere else to store these te= mpo results? =C2=A0 IB2> Client defined PVs =C2=A0 ...... =C2=A0 [Qin]: Usually the RPC is sent from NETCONF client to NETCONF server ,do yo= u propose the other way around and allow the netconf server send RPC request to the NETCONF client? I am not sure we can do this =C2=A0 =C2=A0 IB2>> In the context of ECA the RPC Action is request to invoke=C2=A0 *loca= l* server intelligence (such as path computation engine) that would be normally invoked if the client called a YANG RPC (e.g. as defined by the P= ath Computation model). In other words it is calling by the client an RPC d= eferred until the specified Event. =C2=A0 ....... [Qin]: I understand you are looking into TE path computation use case. If E= CA model can support path computation API, that will be brilliant,J =C2=A0 In addition, when we talk about how to use ECA model, are we focusing =C2= =A0using ECA model in the external interface between NMS and router or are you focusing on using ECA model as internal script to manipulate service l= ogic? =C2=A0 IB>> The latter. This is what pushing (imperative or declarative) policies = down to the network server usually means. =C2=A0[Qin]: I think both are needed to provided event driven network manag= ement, first, the management system put down ECA policy to the managed device using NETCONF interface, = secondly, ECA script is generated from ECA policy in the managed device. 3. Evaluation of ECA Conditions, as well as input to ECA Actions may requir= e not just instantaneous network states, but also accumulation/computation of thereof over periods = of time (e.g. min/max/mean leaf values, history data, threshold overstep co= unters, results of various functions/computations/algorithms performed on n= etwork states over time, etc.) Hence there is a need for storage of intermediate results of such computations. = Our contribution introduces such storage in the form of Policy Variables (P= Vs). PVs could be part of Condition expressions, as well as Action inputs a= long with instant network states. PVs also could appear in notifications PUSHed to the client. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 [Qin]: If you follows https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bwd-netmod-eca-framework-00 You will see we have already considered what state needs to be held, curren= t state and history state, and where this state is held. Basic state of ECA include: Event Name, event occurrence time, start time, = end time, threshold value, etc. I think it is challenging to store all the states and it adds complexity of= server implantation. =C2=A0 IB>> No, I am talking about defining /pushing by the client and executing b= y the server arbitrary logic in the form of ECAs. This logic, for example, may instruct the server how to recover from= various network failures under extreme time constraints. It may also instr= uct the server how to identify and report "interesting" for the client=C2= =A0 events and data, rather than stream raw data=C2=A0 99% of which to be parched, evaluated and discarded as unin= teresting=20 [Qin]: yeah, network failure recovery and filtering unwanted data are two v= alid use cases we are aiming at also. I am fascinating on function-call you proposed, I am wonde= ring where you store these computation results, why not defined it as mathe= matics function, just provide input And then get output, but the problem where to store these output, in additi= on, how many policy-argument you can support? I seems only two policy-argum= ents are supported? If we support mathematics function, you can support more th= an two policy arguments, right? =C2=A0 IB2>>The answer is PVs. See above. Without PVs you are limited only to inst= antaneous network states to work with. This may be sufficient for PUSH event scoping, but not for generic ECAs [Qin-2]: I agree to have PV or target to store post processed network state= s or the value of managed data object. The model proposed in draft-wwx is mingled in between, cover whole push event scoping but doesn=E2=80=99t = cover arithmetic, function calls, RPC for generic ECAs. =C2=A0 4. Notifications triggered by ECA s require definition beyond what is defin= ed by PUSH models, so that the notifications could be properly associated by the client with a g= iven execution of a given ECA.=C2=A0 Said definition could be found in https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bryskin-netconf-automation-yang/. =C2=A0 [Qin]:Good, we also provide a few use cases in the section 4 of draft-bwd-n= etmod-eca-framework-00 to discuss how notification is sent to the NMS to trigger another ECA policy execution, we also could = support One event invoke another event, depends on use cases, =C2=A0 IB>> Note that ECAs is not about intense communication between the client a= nd the server, rather, quite the opposite - it is about pushing ECAs down to the server and let the server perform the= instructed event driven network management =C2=A0 [Qin]: We are aligned on this core case. The use case we like to aim at is service assurance use case and network tr= oubleshooting self-management use case. =C2=A0 We have more points to discuss, but what is above is a good starting point. =C2=A0 Regards, Igor (and Xufeng) =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 On Saturday, November 2, 2019, 10:33:40 AM EDT, Lou Berger <lberger@labn.ne= t> wrote:=20 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Qin, =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Thanks for the update. To answer your question as well as respond to the related thread, as chair, I generally think it best to adopt once there is consensus in the WG on a direction to take with respect to the topic covered by a draft. That is not to say that a fully formed or documented solution is required at adoption but that if there are several different approaches available, that the adopted work reflects the direction that the WG will pursue. In this case, the current rev is certainly a step in that direction, but the WG still as two different basic approaches available to it in this draft and draft-bryskin-netconf-automation-yang.=C2=A0 I personally always prefer it when individual draft authors can find common ground and come to the WG with a single (unified) proposal rather than ask the working group to choose one over the other.=C2=A0 I'm not sure who among the author= s will be in Singapore, but perhaps the authors can take the opportunity to meet to discuss the possibly of such a unified proposal as well report back to the working group on their progress/status.=C2=A0 Time permitting, we should at least hear a summary of each approach so that if a unified approach is not proposed that the WG is better informed on the proposals. Cheers, Lou On 11/1/19 11:02 PM, Qin Wu wrote: > v-04 is posted to address chairs' comments,=20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04 > the main changes include: >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 o=C2=A0 Add text in introduction section to clarify the usag= e examples of >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ECA policy >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 o=C2=A0 Update objective section to align with use cases. >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 o=C2=A0 Clarify the relationship between target and policy v= ariable. >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 o=C2=A0 Change variation trigger condition back into thresho= ld trigger >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 condition and clarify the usage of three trigger cond= itions. >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 o=C2=A0 Remove Event MIB related section. >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 o=C2=A0 Add new coauthors and contributors. > Chairs, what is the next step? >=20 > -Qin (on behalf of authors) >=20 > -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6----- > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: I-D-Announce [mailto:i-d-announce-bounces@ie= tf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 internet-drafts@ietf.org > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2019=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=882=E6=97=A5 10:57 > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: i-d-announce@ietf.org > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: I-D Action: draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04.txt >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct= ories. >=20 >=20 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : A YA= NG Data model for ECA Policy Management >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : Michael W= ang >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Qin Wu >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Chongfeng Xie >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Igor Bryskin >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Xufeng Liu >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Alexander Clemm >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Henk Birkholz >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Tianran Zhou > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-wwx-netmod= -event-yang-04.txt > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : 32 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : 2019-1= 1-01 >=20 > Abstract: >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 RFC8328 defines a policy-based management framework that all= ow >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 definition of a data model to be used to represent high-leve= l, >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 possibly network-wide policies.=C2=A0 Policy discussed in RF= C8328 are >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 classified into imperative policy and declarative policy, EC= A policy >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 is an typical example of imperative policy.=C2=A0 This docum= ent defines an >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 YANG data model for the ECA policy management.=C2=A0 The ECA= policy YANG >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 provides the ability for the network management function (wi= thin a >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 controller, an orchestrator, or a network element) to contro= l the >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 configuration and monitor state change on the network elemen= t and >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 take simple and instant action when a trigger condition on t= he system >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 state is met. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang/ >=20 > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submiss= ion until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt >=20 ------=_Part_5464_635203024.1573137314013 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><head></head><body><div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"direction: ltr; margin:= 0; padding: 0; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black; ">H= i Qin, <br> <br> <br> </div> <div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"direction: ltr; margin: 0; padding: 0; font-fami= ly: sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black; ">Thanks for  the = interesting and fruitful discussion. <br> <br> </div> <div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"direction: ltr; margin: 0; padding: 0; font-fami= ly: sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black; ">The most important next st= ep in my opinion is to agree on how we model PVs. Specifically, <br> </div> <div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"direction: ltr; margin: 0; padding: 0; font-fami= ly: sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black; ">1. How the client can conf= igure a PV  of a known type (defined in a YANG model supported  b= y the server); <br> </div> <div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"direction: ltr; margin: 0; padding: 0; font-fami= ly: sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black; ">2. How the client can use = PVs in the ECAs (computation actions, condition evaluation, RPC input/outpu= t, notifications sent to the client, etc.) <br> <br> </div> <div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"direction: ltr; margin: 0; padding: 0; font-fami= ly: sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black; ">This done, I believe, ever= ything else will fall into place rather quickly and relatively simple. <br> </div> <div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"direction: ltr; margin: 0; padding: 0; font-fami= ly: sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black; ">F2F meeting in Singapore w= ill help a lot. <br> </div> <div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"direction: ltr; margin: 0; padding: 0; font-fami= ly: sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black; ">Unfortunately,  I am = not coming to Singapore,  but Xufeng will be there. I am looking forwa= rd  to a good progress. <br> <br> </div> <div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"direction: ltr; margin: 0; padding: 0; font-fami= ly: sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black; ">Cheers and good luck, <br> </div> <div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"direction: ltr; margin: 0; padding: 0; font-fami= ly: sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black; ">Igor <br> <br> <br> </div> <div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"direction: ltr; margin: 0; padding: 0; font-fami= ly: sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black; "><span id=3D"OutlookSignatu= re"><div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"direction: ltr; margin: 0; padding: 0; font-= family: sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black; ">Get <a href=3D"https:/= /aka.ms/ghei36">Outlook for Android</a></div> </span><br> </div> <br><br><br> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 8:07 AM -0500, "Qin Wu" <= span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:bill.wu@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank= ">bill.wu@huawei.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div dir=3D"3D"ltr""> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; 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draft-bryskin-netconf-automation-yang@iet= f.org; Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net>; Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.com&g= t;<br> </span><b>=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></b><span lang=3D"= EN-US"> draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang@ietf.org<br> </span><b>=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></b><span lang=3D"= EN-US"> Re: I-D Action: draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04.txt<o:p></o:p></span= ></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Hi Qin,<o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">[ snipped]<o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><br> ........<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <div id=3D"ydp8813a89byahoo_quoted_3704423902"> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">1.The Expression cla= use in an ECA could be very complex and hence requires a complex syntax to = articulate. To address this in our contribution (</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/d= raft-bryskin-netconf-automation-yang/" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"fon= t-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">https://datatra= cker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bryskin-netconf-automation-yang/</span></a></span><= span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica&q= uot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">) we proposed two methods:<o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <div id=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712"> <div> <div> <div id=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyahoo_quoted_3793714916"> <div> <div> <div id=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964"> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica"= ;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">a) When configuring Condition using XPath expre= ssion string. This allows expressing Conditions of arbitrary complexity, but does require servers to (sufficiently) suppor= t XPath language;<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica"= ;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">[Qin]:XPATH expression is supported in model pr= oposed in draft-wwx, it is modelled as one of member of union, i.e., instance-identifier, in addition, we support model three o= ther member types</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font= -family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span><= /p> <pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#26282A">Type yan= g:object-identifier;</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#26282A"><o:= p></o:p></span></pre> <pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#26282A">Type yan= g:uuid;</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></spa= n></pre> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26= 282A">Type string</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font= -family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span><= /p> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26= 282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26= 282A">IB>> Good. Please, note that we were told on many occasions tha= t because of potentiality very complex syntax of the ECA Condition clause, the XPath expression string is realistically the only ch= oice, all alternatives are introduced for model completeness more than anyt= hing else - too cumbersome to be useful.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26= 282A"> </span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fami= ly:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26= 282A">[Qin]: Tend to agree, this is complexity we can consider to get rid o= f. </span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Hel= vetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica"= ;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">b) For the case of simpler servers we defined e= lementary logical primitives that could be used in building bottom up in hierarchical manner complex logical expressions <= o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica"= ;,sans-serif;color:#26282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica"= ;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">[Qin]: I believe you are talking about Conditio= n Expression, which is corresponding to ietf-trigger.yang defined in draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04. We model them as three trigger = conditions</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family= :"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msolistparagrap= h" style=3D"margin-left:18.0pt"> <span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica&= quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">1.       An e= xistence test monitors and manages the absence, presence, and change of a d= ata object</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family= :"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msolistparagrap= h" style=3D"margin-left:18.0pt"> <span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica&= quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">2.       A Bo= olean test compares the value of the monitored object with the reference va= lue and takes action according to the comparison result.</span><span lang= =3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans= -serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msolistparagrap= h" style=3D"margin-left:18.0pt"> <span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica&= quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">3.       A Th= reshold trigger condition regularly compares compares the value of the moni= tored object with the threshold values.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D= "font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282= A"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26= 282A">In each trigger condition, we will break down them into policy variab= le and policy value based on RFC3460, policy variable is renamed as target, policy value is renamed as value in proposed ECA mod= el</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"H= elvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26= 282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26= 282A">IB>> IMHO this is not  sufficient, not even close.<o:p></o= :p></span></p> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26= 282A"> </span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fami= ly:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26= 282A">[Qin]: Actually it can be extended, the essence of trigger condition = is <target><relation><arg> which is similar to <arg1&g= t;<relation><arg2> in draft-bryskin</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font= -family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span><= /p> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26= 282A">would you like to provide an example which can not be expressed by th= ese trigger conditions?</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0p= t;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></= span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-= family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">I am open to the bet= ter design choice.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fon= t-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span>= </p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p> </o:p></s= pan></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p> </o:p></s= pan></p> <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo= nt-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">IB2>>> R= ealistically, this is not much of a use. Imagine you are a client and you h= ave to express a condition made of some 80 logical operations. Using the above would be very cumbersome. And  what if in addition to= the logical operations condition expression includes other operations, suc= h as arithmetic, function calls, etc. ? </span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"= ;Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p> </o:p></s= pan></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1F= 497D"> [Qin-2]: I agree arithmetic, function calls is useful, but it i= s defined as part of action in the ECA model, right? Not part of condition statement?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1F= 497D">Just to clarify, the target defined under event in draft-wwx is a tar= get list, which is similar to policy variables list. Two key elements in trigger conditions are target, value, target is pointi= ng to target under event and doesn=E2=80=99t need to be the data object tha= t is being monitored or managed, it can be policy variable that is not pres= ented in any YANG data model, value is expressed as one similar to <arg2></span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-si= ze:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> In dra= ft-bryskin</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family= :"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">. </span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Cal= ibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Operator in Boolean condition trigger = case is similar to comparison-operation, it is not clear to me why conditio= n made of 80 logical operations can not be described, may</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"= ;Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">be logical-operation-type should= be introduced in the ECA model explicitly. We actually talk about this AND= and OR design in the section 3.1 of draft-bwd-netmod-eca-framework-00.<o:p= ></o:p></span></p> <pre style=3D"page-break-before:always"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-= size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">In ad= dition,<o:p></o:p></span></pre> <pre style=3D"page-break-before:always"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-= size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I a= m wondering how to describe a condition when a network event is triggered w= hen the monitored object disappear or appear or change<o:p></o:p></span></p= re> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"page-break-before:always"><span lang=3D"EN-= US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;= color:#1F497D">How do you describe a condition when network event is trigge= red if the difference between the current measurement value and the previous<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"page-break-before:always"><span lang=3D"EN-= US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;= color:#1F497D">measurement value of monitored data object is smaller than o= r equal to the delta falling threshold.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"page-break-before:always"><span lang=3D"EN-= US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;= color:#1F497D">I see the big difference is you defined local policy variabl= e, distinct from global policy variable, global policy variable can apply to multiple script. I am not sure these scripts are gen= erated from ECA YANG data model? Or pre-configured? How these scripts are d= ifferent func call or XPAH function?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"page-break-before:always"><span lang=3D"EN-= US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;= color:#1F497D">In addition, it is not clear to me why we mixed policy varia= ble with policy value. I can not see difference between them by reading draft-bryskin. The policy value can be constant, or change= based on some calculation method, see example of condition in section 5.8.= 3 of rfc3460. Do we need to align with RFC3460?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"page-break-before:always"><span lang=3D"EN-= US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;= color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> </div> </div> <pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nb= sp;</o:p></span></pre> <pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#26282A">I feel y= ou change the meaning of policy variable, since in bryskin</span><span styl= e=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#26282A">=E2=80=99<span lang=3D"EN-US">s draft,= policy variable is described as an output parameter of an RPC which is not= consistent with the definition in RFC3460, in my opinion.<br><br>IB>>= ; No, I have not. In our definition a PV is a variable where an ECA thread = stores results of computations and output of algorithms/RPCs, so that the r= esults could be used within a single thread or between multiple threads of = the same or different ECAs, could provide input for automatic re-configurat= ions and RPCs, could be used in Condition evaluations, could be exposed dir= ectly to the client via notifications, etc. In short, this is the place whe= re ECAs store and accumulate the results of their work</span></span><span l= ang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></pre> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica"= ;,sans-serif;color:#26282A"> [Qin]: I thought PV is corresponding to t= arget defined in draft-wwx, or data object to be monitored, we will reflect the change of data object or target in the action definiti= on of ECA model. </span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Hel= vetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-= family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">I see the only diffe= rence on model design, is target or policy variable is separated from ietf-= event, or part of ietf-event. If the reason why we should have a separate policy-variable is we should store state on poli= cy-variable or target, I think put policy-variable into ietf-event, you sti= ll can store state related to policy-variable in ietf-event, No?</span><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica"= ;,sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p> </o:p></s= pan></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo= nt-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">IB2>> PV is= a variable of the ECA language - i.e. a memory structure where ECA thread = execution results could be stored to be used in subsequent Condition evaluations and Action inputs. In my view, PV has nothing to do = with PUSH target,<o:p></o:p></span></b></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-= family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">[Qin-2]:PV is very pow= erful, it can change over time, it can be overridden, however it is also ha= rd to keep track of which PV is impacted by which PV, which PV is final execution results? Which execution order we should f= ollows.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-= family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">PV can be explicit PV = and implicit PV based on RFC3460, if it is explicitly PV, it is related to = data object or data instance you manipulated. If it is implicit PV, it could be used to store tempo results.<o:p></o:p></sp= an></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-= family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">In addition, we you de= fine PV type as XPATH, it is actually related to data object you subscribed= , in my opinion.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica"= ;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">2. Your model seems to suggest for ECA Action&n= bsp; not much more than PUSHing a notification (triggered by a certain event and satisfying the configured condition) to the client = with the hope that the client will subsequently request some device/network= re-configurations ro react to the event. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica"= ;,sans-serif;color:#26282A"> </span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font= -size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o= :p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica"= ;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">[Qin]:Igor, the ECA action proposed in the mode= l of draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04 can do more than PUSHing a notification, it have supported the following capabilities:= </span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Hel= vetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26= 282A">1)Configuration data object reconfiguration</span><span lang=3D"EN-US= " style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;co= lor:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0p= t"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helveti= ca",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26= 282A">IB>> Good, but keep in mind that the parameters of such configu= rations could not be limited to values specified by the client at the time of EC</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.= 0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">A configura= tion ( such values we call Policy Constants (PCs)). It is imperative to all= ow for the results of the ECA thread computations to be also used as values to configure (i.e. PVs along with PCs)<o:p></o:p= ></span></p> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26= 282A"> </span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fami= ly:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26= 282A">[Qin]: Yes, I have been aware that Policy constant is different from = Policy variable, Are both pointing to the same monitored data objects?</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa= mily:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-= family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">I think whether it i= s policy constant or policy variable, it should be set or configured only w= hen certain conditions hold.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:= 10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o= :p></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p> </o:p></s= pan></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">I<b>B2>> How d= o you allow the client to say "When Event E is fired, configure leaf L with= a value computed using expression X"? Our suggestion is via two sun-Acrions associated with the ECA: first computes the express= ion X and stores it in a PV, second executes edit-config with the PV conten= t as a value.</b><o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" = style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;colo= r:#1F497D">[Qin-2]: I agree arithmetic, function calls we should cover in E= CA model. In the current model, we only support on event invoke another event. In your case, how to hook them together and de= fine the work flow, e.g., first do this, and do that, this PV should be out= putted by this process, input into another process? I think there is some c= hallenge we should see how to tackle, right?<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-= family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">I am wondering where= do you store the results of computations(e.g., mean/variance) or some temp= o value of monitored data object?</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-= size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:= p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p> </o:p></s= pan></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo= nt-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">IB2>> This = is exactly what PV is for</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size= :10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></= o:p></span></p> </div> </div> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-= family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">You use policy varia= ble itself or you have somewhere else to store these tempo results?</span><= span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica&q= uot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p> </o:p></s= pan></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">IB2> <b>Client defined PVs</b><o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" = style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;colo= r:#26282A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">......<o:p></o:p></s= pan></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p> </o:p></s= pan></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-= family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">[Qin]: Usually the R= PC is sent from NETCONF client to NETCONF server ,do you propose the other = way around and allow the netconf server send RPC request to the NETCONF client? I am not sure we can do this</span><span la= ng=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sa= ns-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p> </o:p></s= pan></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p> </o:p></s= pan></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo= nt-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">IB2>> In th= e context of ECA the RPC Action is request to invoke  *local* server i= ntelligence (such as path computation engine) that would be normally invoked if the client called a YANG RPC (e.g. as defined by the P= ath Computation model). In other words it is calling by the client an RPC d= eferred until the specified Event. </span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"= ;Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo= nt-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">  .......<o:= p></o:p></span></b></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-= family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">[Qin]: I understand yo= u are looking into TE path computation use case. If ECA model can support p= ath computation API, that will be brilliant,</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" sty= le=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D">J</span><span l= ang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",san= s-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-= family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></spa= n></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-= family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">In addition, when we= talk about how to use ECA model, are we focusing  using ECA model in = the external interface between NMS and router or are you focusing on using ECA model as internal script to manipulate service l= ogic?</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quo= t;Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26= 282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26= 282A">IB>> The latter. This is what pushing (imperative or declarativ= e) policies down to the network server usually means.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica"= ;,sans-serif;color:#26282A"> [Qin]: I think both are needed to provide= d event driven network management, first, the management system put down ECA policy to the managed device using NETCONF interface, = secondly, ECA script is generated from ECA policy in the managed device.</s= pan><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvet= ica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica"= ;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">3. Evaluation of ECA Conditions, as well as inp= ut to ECA Actions may require not just instantaneous network states, but also accumulation/computation of thereof over periods = of time (e.g. min/max/mean leaf values, history data, threshold overstep co= unters, results of various functions/computations/algorithms performed on n= etwork states over time, etc.) Hence there is a need for storage of intermediate results of such computations. = Our contribution introduces such storage in the form of Policy Variables (P= Vs). PVs could be part of Condition expressions, as well as Action inputs a= long with instant network states. PVs also could appear in notifications PUSHed to the client.<o:p></o:p></s= pan></p> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica"= ;,sans-serif;color:#26282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica"= ;,sans-serif;color:#26282A"> </span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font= -size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o= :p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica"= ;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">[Qin]: If you follows </span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bw= d-netmod-eca-framework-00" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0p= t;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">https://tools.ietf.org/html= /draft-bwd-netmod-eca-framework-00</span></a></span><span lang=3D"EN-US" st= yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:= #26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica"= ;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">You will see we have already considered what st= ate needs to be held, current state and history state, and where this state is held.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica"= ;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">Basic state of ECA include: Event Name, event o= ccurrence time, start time, end time, threshold value, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26= 282A">I think it is challenging to store all the states and it adds complex= ity of server implantation.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26= 282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26= 282A">IB>> No, I am talking about defining /pushing by the client and= executing by the server arbitrary logic in the form of ECAs. This logic, for example, may instruct the server how to recover from= various network failures under extreme time constraints. It may also instr= uct the server how to identify and report "interesting" for the client = ; events and data, rather than stream raw data  99% of which to be parched, evaluated and discarded as unin= teresting <o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica"= ;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">[Qin]: yeah, network failure recovery and filte= ring unwanted data are two valid use cases we are aiming at also. I am fascinating on function-call you proposed, I am wonde= ring where you store these computation results, why not defined it as mathe= matics function, just provide input<o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">And then get output,= but the problem where to store these output, in addition, how many policy-= argument you can support? I seems only two policy-arguments are supported? If we support mathematics function, you can support more th= an two policy arguments, right?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p> </o:p></s= pan></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo= nt-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">IB2>>The an= swer is PVs. See above. Without PVs you are limited only to instantaneous n= etwork states to work with. This may be sufficient for PUSH event scoping, but not for generic ECAs<o:p></o:p></span></b></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-= family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">[Qin-2]: I agree to ha= ve PV or target to store post processed network states or the value of mana= ged data object. The model proposed in draft-wwx is mingled in between, cover whole push event scoping but doesn=E2=80=99t = cover </span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&qu= ot;Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">arithmetic, function calls, RP= C for generic ECAs.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;fo= nt-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span><= /p> </div> </div> </div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica"= ;,sans-serif;color:#26282A"> </span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font= -size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o= :p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica"= ;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">4. Notifications triggered by ECA s require def= inition beyond what is defined by PUSH models, so that the notifications could be properly associated by the client with a g= iven execution of a given ECA.  Said definition could be found in </span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dra= ft-bryskin-netconf-automation-yang/" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"font-= size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">https://datatrack= er.ietf.org/doc/draft-bryskin-netconf-automation-yang/</span></a></span><sp= an lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica&quo= t;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica"= ;,sans-serif;color:#26282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26= 282A">[Qin]:Good, we also provide a few use cases in the section 4 of draft= -bwd-netmod-eca-framework-00 to discuss how notification is sent to the NMS to trigger another ECA policy execution, we also could = support One event invoke another event, depends on use cases,</span><span l= ang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",s= ans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26= 282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26= 282A">IB>> Note that ECAs is not about intense communication between = the client and the server, rather, quite the opposite - it is about pushing ECAs down to the server and let the server perform the= instructed event driven network management <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26= 282A"> </span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fami= ly:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26= 282A">[Qin]: We are aligned on this core case.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" s= tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color= :#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> </div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica"= ;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">The use case we like to aim at is service assur= ance use case and network troubleshooting self-management use case.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family= :"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica"= ;,sans-serif;color:#26282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica"= ;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">We have more points to discuss, but what is abo= ve is a good starting point.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica"= ;,sans-serif;color:#26282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica"= ;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">Regards,<br> Igor (and Xufeng)<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal" styl= e=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"> <span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica&= quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica"= ;,sans-serif;color:#26282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica"= ;,sans-serif;color:#26282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <div id=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712yqt54661"> <div id=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964yqt13999"> <div id=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964yahoo_quoted_354= 7209473"> <div> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica"= ;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">On Saturday, November 2, 2019, 10:33:40 AM EDT,= Lou Berger <</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"mailto:lberger@labn.= net" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"He= lvetica",sans-serif">lberger@labn.net</span></a></span><span lang=3D"E= N-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-seri= f;color:#26282A">> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica"= ;,sans-serif;color:#26282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica"= ;,sans-serif;color:#26282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica"= ;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">Qin,<br>     Thanks for the update.<br> <br> To answer your question as well as respond to the related thread, as<br> chair, I generally think it best to adopt once there is consensus in the<br= > WG on a direction to take with respect to the topic covered by a draft.<br> That is not to say that a fully formed or documented solution is<br> required at adoption but that if there are several different approaches<br> available, that the adopted work reflects the direction that the WG will<br= > pursue.<br> <br> In this case, the current rev is certainly a step in that direction, but<br= > the WG still as two different basic approaches available to it in this<br> draft and draft-bryskin-netconf-automation-yang.  I personally always<= br> prefer it when individual draft authors can find common ground and come<br> to the WG with a single (unified) proposal rather than ask the working<br> group to choose one over the other.  I'm not sure who among the author= s<br> will be in Singapore, but perhaps the authors can take the opportunity<br> to meet to discuss the possibly of such a unified proposal as well<br> report back to the working group on their progress/status.  Time<br> permitting, we should at least hear a summary of each approach so that<br> if a unified approach is not proposed that the WG is better informed on<br> the proposals.<br> <br> Cheers,<br> Lou<o:p></o:p></span></p> <div id=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964yqtfd14310"> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal" styl= e=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"> <span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica&= quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A"><br> On 11/1/19 11:02 PM, Qin Wu wrote:<br> > v-04 is posted to address chairs' comments, <br> > </span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/do= c/html/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"fon= t-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">https://datatra= cker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04</span></a></span><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica"= ;,sans-serif;color:#26282A"><br> > the main changes include:<br> >    o  Add text in introduction section to clarify the u= sage examples of<br> >      ECA policy<br> >    o  Update objective section to align with use cases.= <br> >    o  Clarify the relationship between target and polic= y variable.<br> >    o  Change variation trigger condition back into thre= shold trigger<br> >      condition and clarify the usage of three trigger c= onditions.<br> >    o  Remove Event MIB related section.<br> >    o  Add new coauthors and contributors.<br> > Chairs, what is the next step?<br> > <br> > -Qin (on behalf of authors)<br> > <br> > -----</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A">=E9=82=AE= =E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:1= 0.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">-----<br> > </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A">=E5=8F=91=E4=BB= =B6=E4=BA=BA</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fami= ly:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">: I-D-Announce [mailto:<= /span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"mailto:i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org"= target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvet= ica",sans-serif">i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org</span></a></span><span = lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",= sans-serif;color:#26282A">] </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A">=E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8</s= 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<br> > <br> >        Title          : A= YANG Data model for ECA Policy Management<br> >        Authors        : Michae= l Wang<br> >                    &= nbsp;     Qin Wu<br> >                    &= nbsp;     Chongfeng Xie<br> >                    &= nbsp;     Igor Bryskin<br> >                    &= nbsp;     Xufeng Liu<br> >                    &= nbsp;     Alexander Clemm<br> >                    &= nbsp;     Henk Birkholz<br> >                    &= nbsp;     Tianran Zhou<br> >     Filename        : draft-wwx-net= mod-event-yang-04.txt<br> >     Pages          : 32<br> >     Date            : 201= 9-11-01<br> > <br> > Abstract:<br> >    RFC8328 defines a policy-based management framework that = allow<br> >    definition of a data model to be used to represent high-l= evel,<br> >    possibly network-wide policies.  Policy discussed in= RFC8328 are<br> >    classified into imperative policy and declarative policy,= ECA policy<br> >    is an typical example of imperative policy.  This do= cument defines an<br> >    YANG data model for the ECA policy management.  The = ECA policy YANG<br> >    provides the ability for the network management function = (within a<br> >    controller, an orchestrator, or a network element) to con= trol the<br> >    configuration and monitor state change on the network ele= ment and<br> >    take simple and instant action when a trigger condition o= n the system<br> >    state is met.<br> > <br> > <br> > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:<br> > </span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/do= c/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang/" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"font-size:= 10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">https://datatracker.ie= tf.org/doc/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang/</span></a></span><span lang=3D"EN-U= S" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;c= olor:#26282A"><br> > <br> > There are also htmlized versions available at:<br> > </span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a 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Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dgb2312"> </head> <body> <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica!important">Thank Igor for good = summary and proposed next step, Happy to talk with Xufeng in singapore on s= everal open issues on ECA which has actually already in plan. Your input to= the discussion are appreciated very much.<br> <br> <hr style=3D"border-top:dotted 1px"> =CE=E2=C7=D5 Qin<br> Mobile=A3=BA<a href=3D"tel:+86-13914734360">+86-13914734360</a>(Mob= ile Number) <br> Email=A3=BA<a href=3D"mailto:bill.wu@huawei.com">bill.wu@huawei.com</a><br> <br> <br> <br> </div> <div name=3D"AnyOffice-Background-Image" style=3D"border-top:1px solid #B5C= 4DF; padding:8px"> <div><b>=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB=A3=BA </b>Igor Bryskin<<a href=3D"mailto:i_br= yskin@yahoo.com">i_bryskin@yahoo.com</a>></div> <div><b>=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB=A3=BA </b>netmod<<a href=3D"mailto:netmod@iet= f.org">netmod@ietf.org</a>>;draft-bryskin-netconf-automation-yang<<a = href=3D"mailto:draft-bryskin-netconf-automation-yang@ietf.org">draft-bryski= n-netconf-automation-yang@ietf.org</a>>;Lou Berger<<a href=3D"mailto:= lberger@labn.net">lberger@labn.net</a>>;Qin Wu<<a href=3D"mailto:bill.wu@huawei.com">bill.wu@huawei.com</a>></di= v> <div><b>=B3=AD=CB=CD=A3=BA </b>draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang<<a href=3D"ma= ilto:draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang@ietf.org">draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang@ietf= .org</a>></div> <div><b>=D6=F7=CC=E2=A3=BA </b>Re: I-D Action: draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-= 04.txt</div> <div><b>=CA=B1=BC=E4=A3=BA </b>2019-11-07 22:35:54</div> <br> </div> <div> <div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"direction:ltr; margin:0; padding:0; font-family:= sans-serif; font-size:11pt; color:black"> Hi Qin, <br> <br> <br> </div> <div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"direction:ltr; margin:0; padding:0; font-family:= sans-serif; font-size:11pt; color:black"> Thanks for  the  interesting and fruitful discussion. <br> <br> </div> <div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"direction:ltr; margin:0; padding:0; font-family:= sans-serif; font-size:11pt; color:black"> The most important next step in my opinion is to agree on how we model PVs.= Specifically, <br> </div> <div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"direction:ltr; margin:0; padding:0; font-family:= sans-serif; font-size:11pt; color:black"> 1. How the client can configure a PV  of a known type (defined in a YA= NG model supported  by the server); <br> </div> <div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"direction:ltr; margin:0; padding:0; font-family:= sans-serif; font-size:11pt; color:black"> 2. How the client can use PVs in the ECAs (computation actions, condition e= valuation, RPC input/output, notifications sent to the client, etc.) <br> <br> </div> <div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"direction:ltr; margin:0; padding:0; font-family:= sans-serif; font-size:11pt; color:black"> This done, I believe, everything else will fall into place rather quickly a= nd relatively simple. <br> </div> <div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"direction:ltr; margin:0; padding:0; font-family:= sans-serif; font-size:11pt; color:black"> F2F meeting in Singapore will help a lot. <br> </div> <div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"direction:ltr; margin:0; padding:0; font-family:= sans-serif; font-size:11pt; color:black"> Unfortunately,  I am not coming to Singapore,  but Xufeng will be= there. I am looking forward  to a good progress. <br> <br> </div> <div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"direction:ltr; margin:0; padding:0; font-family:= sans-serif; font-size:11pt; color:black"> Cheers and good luck, <br> </div> <div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"direction:ltr; margin:0; padding:0; font-family:= sans-serif; font-size:11pt; color:black"> Igor <br> <br> <br> </div> <div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"direction:ltr; margin:0; padding:0; font-family:= sans-serif; font-size:11pt; color:black"> <span id=3D"OutlookSignature"> <div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"direction:ltr; margin:0; padding:0; font-family:= sans-serif; font-size:11pt; color:black"> Get <a href=3D"https://aka.ms/ghei36">Outlook for Android</a></div> </span><br> </div> <br> <br> <br> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 8:07 AM -0500, "Qin = Wu" <span dir=3D"ltr"> <<a href=3D"mailto:bill.wu@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">bill.wu@huawei.= com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:1= px #ccc solid; 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font-family:&quo= t;=CE=A2=C8=ED=D1=C5=BA=DA",sans-serif">=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB<span lang= =3D"EN-US">:</span></span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0p= t; font-family:"=CE=A2=C8=ED=D1=C5=BA=DA",sans-serif"> Igor Brysk= in [mailto:i_bryskin@yahoo.com] <br> </span><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"=CE=A2=C8=ED= =D1=C5=BA=DA",sans-serif">=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4<span lang=3D"EN-US"= >:</span></span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-fa= mily:"=CE=A2=C8=ED=D1=C5=BA=DA",sans-serif"> 2019</span><span sty= le=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"=CE=A2=C8=ED=D1=C5=BA=DA",sa= ns-serif">=C4=EA<span lang=3D"EN-US">11</span>=D4=C2<span lang=3D"EN-US">6<= /span>=C8=D5<span lang=3D"EN-US"> 23:04<br> </span><b>=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></b><span lang=3D"= EN-US"> netmod@ietf.org; draft-bryskin-netconf-automation-yang@ietf.org; Lo= u Berger <lberger@labn.net>; Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.com><br> </span><b>=B3=AD=CB=CD<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"= > draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang@ietf.org<br> </span><b>=D6=F7=CC=E2<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"= > Re: I-D Action: draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04.txt</span></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"> </span></p> <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font= -family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Hi Qin,</span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font= -family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> </span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font= -family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">[ snipped]</span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font= -family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><br> ........</span></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font= -family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> </span></p> </div> </div> <div id=3D"ydp8813a89byahoo_quoted_3704423902"> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font= -family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A">1.The Expression c= lause in an ECA could be very complex and hence requires a complex syntax t= o articulate. To address this in our contribution (</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/d= raft-bryskin-netconf-automation-yang/" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"fon= t-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">https://datatr= acker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bryskin-netconf-automation-yang/</span></a></span>= <span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica= ",sans-serif; color:#26282A">) we proposed two methods:</span></p> <div> <div id=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712"> <div> <div> <div id=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyahoo_quoted_3793714916"> <div> <div> <div id=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964"> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica&quo= t;,sans-serif; color:#26282A">a) When configuring Condition using XPath exp= ression string. This allows expressing Conditions of arbitrary complexity, but does require servers to (sufficiently) suppor= t XPath language;</span></p> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Helvetica&quo= t;,sans-serif; color:#26282A">[Qin]:XPATH expression is supported in model = proposed in draft-wwx, it is modelled as one of member of union, i.e., instance-identifier, in addition, we support model = three other member types</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0= pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"></span></p= > <pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt; color:#26282A">Type ya= ng:object-identifier;</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#26282A"></= span></pre> <pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt; color:#26282A">Type ya= ng:uuid;</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#26282A"></span></pre> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#= 26282A">Type string</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; f= ont-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#= 26282A"> </span></p> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#= 26282A">IB>> Good. Please, note that we were told on many occasions t= hat because of potentiality very complex syntax of the ECA Condition clause, the XPath expression string is realistically the only ch= oice, all alternatives are introduced for model completeness more than anyt= hing else - too cumbersome to be useful.</span></p> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#= 26282A"> </span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-f= amily:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"></span></p> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#= 26282A">[Qin]: Tend to agree, this is complexity we can consider to get rid= of. </span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"He= lvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"></span></p> </div> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica&quo= t;,sans-serif; color:#26282A">b) For the case of simpler servers we defined= elementary logical primitives that could be used in building bottom up in hierarchical manner complex logical expressions <= /span> </p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica&quo= t;,sans-serif; color:#26282A"> </span></p> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Helvetica&quo= t;,sans-serif; color:#26282A">[Qin]: I believe you are talking about Condit= ion Expression, which is corresponding to ietf-trigger.yang defined in draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04. We model them as three trigger = conditions</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-famil= y:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"></span></p> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msolistparagrap= h" style=3D"margin-left:18.0pt"> <span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Helvetica= ",sans-serif; color:#26282A">1.       An= existence test monitors and manages the absence, presence, and change of a= data object</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-fam= ily:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"></span></p> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msolistparagrap= h" style=3D"margin-left:18.0pt"> <span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Helvetica= ",sans-serif; color:#26282A">2.       A = Boolean test compares the value of the monitored object with the reference = value and takes action according to the comparison result.</span><span lang= =3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica",san= s-serif; color:#26282A"></span></p> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msolistparagrap= h" style=3D"margin-left:18.0pt"> <span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Helvetica= ",sans-serif; color:#26282A">3.       A = Threshold trigger condition regularly compares compares the value of the mo= nitored object with the threshold values.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#= 26282A"></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#= 26282A">In each trigger condition, we will break down them into policy vari= able and policy value based on RFC3460, policy variable is renamed as target, policy value is renamed as value in proposed ECA mod= el</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"= Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#= 26282A"> </span></p> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#= 26282A">IB>> IMHO this is not  sufficient, not even close.</span= ></p> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#= 26282A"> </span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-f= amily:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"></span></p> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#= 26282A">[Qin]: Actually it can be extended, the essence of trigger conditio= n is <target><relation><arg> which is similar to <arg1= ><relation><arg2> in draft-bryskin</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; fon= t-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"></span></p> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#= 26282A">would you like to provide an example which can not be expressed by = these trigger conditions?</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.= 0pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"></span></= p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt; font= -family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A">I am open to the b= etter design choice.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; = font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font= -family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"> </span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font= -family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"> </span></p> <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; f= ont-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A">IB2>>>= Realistically, this is not much of a use. Imagine you are a client and you= have to express a condition made of some 80 logical operations. Using the above would be very cumbersome. And  what if in addition to= the logical operations condition expression includes other operations, suc= h as arithmetic, function calls, etc. ? </span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:&quo= t;Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"></span></p> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font= -family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"> </span></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#= 1F497D"> [Qin-2]: I agree arithmetic, function calls is useful, but it= is defined as part of action in the ECA model, right? Not part of condition statement?</span></p> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#= 1F497D">Just to clarify, the target defined under event in draft-wwx is a t= arget list, which is similar to policy variables list. Two key elements in trigger conditions are target, value, target is pointi= ng to target under event and doesn=A1=AFt need to be the data object that i= s being monitored or managed, it can be policy variable that is not present= ed in any YANG data model, value is expressed as one similar to <arg2></span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-si= ze:10.5pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"> In d= raft-bryskin</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt; font-fam= ily:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">. </span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Ca= libri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Operator in Boolean condition trigge= r case is similar to comparison-operation, it is not clear to me why condit= ion made of 80 logical operations can not be described, may</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt; font-family:&quo= t;Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">be logical-operation-type shou= ld be introduced in the ECA model explicitly. We actually talk about this A= ND and OR design in the section 3.1 of draft-bwd-netmod-eca-framework-00.</= span></p> <pre style=3D"page-break-before:always"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-= size:10.5pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">In = addition,</span></pre> <pre style=3D"page-break-before:always"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-= size:10.5pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">I= am wondering how to describe a condition when a network event is triggered= when the monitored object disappear or appear or change</span></pre> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"page-break-before:always"><span lang=3D"EN-= US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif= ; color:#1F497D">How do you describe a condition when network event is trig= gered if the difference between the current measurement value and the previous</span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"page-break-before:always"><span lang=3D"EN-= US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif= ; color:#1F497D">measurement value of monitored data object is smaller than= or equal to the delta falling threshold.</span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"page-break-before:always"><span lang=3D"EN-= US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif= ; color:#1F497D">I see the big difference is you defined local policy varia= ble, distinct from global policy variable, global policy variable can apply to multiple script. I am not sure these scripts = are generated from ECA YANG data model? Or pre-configured? How these script= s are different func call or XPAH function?</span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"page-break-before:always"><span lang=3D"EN-= US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif= ; color:#1F497D">In addition, it is not clear to me why we mixed policy var= iable with policy value. I can not see difference between them by reading draft-bryskin. The policy value can be constant, o= r change based on some calculation method, see example of condition in sect= ion 5.8.3 of rfc3460. Do we need to align with RFC3460?</span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"page-break-before:always"><span lang=3D"EN-= US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif= ; color:#1F497D"> </span></p> </div> </div> </div> <pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt; color:#1F497D"> <= /span></pre> <pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt; color:#26282A">I feel = you change the meaning of policy variable, since in bryskin</span><span sty= le=3D"font-size:10.5pt; color:#26282A">=A1=AF<span lang=3D"EN-US">s draft, = policy variable is described as an output parameter of an RPC which is not = consistent with the definition in RFC3460, in my opinion.<br><br>IB>>= No, I have not. In our definition a PV is a variable where an ECA thread s= tores results of computations and output of algorithms/RPCs, so that the re= sults could be used within a single thread or between multiple threads of t= he same or different ECAs, could provide input for automatic re-configurati= ons and RPCs, could be used in Condition evaluations, could be exposed dire= ctly to the client via notifications, etc. In short, this is the place wher= e ECAs store and accumulate the results of their work</span></span><span la= ng=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#26282A"></span></pre> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Helvetica&quo= t;,sans-serif; color:#26282A"> [Qin]: I thought PV is corresponding to= target defined in draft-wwx, or data object to be monitored, we will reflect the change of data object or target in the action definiti= on of ECA model. </span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"He= lvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt; font= -family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A">I see the only dif= ference on model design, is target or policy variable is separated from iet= f-event, or part of ietf-event. If the reason why we should have a separate policy-variable is we should store state on poli= cy-variable or target, I think put policy-variable into ietf-event, you sti= ll can store state related to policy-variable in ietf-event, No?</span><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica&quo= t;,sans-serif; color:#26282A"></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font= -family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"> </span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; f= ont-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A">IB2>> PV = is a variable of the ECA language - i.e. a memory structure where ECA threa= d execution results could be stored to be used in subsequent Condition evaluations and Action inputs. In my view, PV has nothing to do = with PUSH target,</span></b></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt; font= -family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">[Qin-2]:PV is very p= owerful, it can change over time, it can be overridden, however it is also = hard to keep track of which PV is impacted by which PV, which PV is final execution results? Which execution order we should f= ollows.</span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt; font= -family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">PV can be explicit P= V and implicit PV based on RFC3460, if it is explicitly PV, it is related t= o data object or data instance you manipulated. If it is implicit PV, it could be used to store tempo results.</span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt; font= -family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">In addition, we you = define PV type as XPATH, it is actually related to data object you subscrib= ed, in my opinion.</span></p> </div> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica&quo= t;,sans-serif; color:#26282A">2. Your model seems to suggest for ECA Action=   not much more than PUSHing a notification (triggered by a certain event and satisfying the configured condition) to the client = with the hope that the client will subsequently request some device/network= re-configurations ro react to the event. </span></p> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Helvetica&quo= t;,sans-serif; color:#26282A"> </span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"fo= nt-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A= "></span></p> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Helvetica&quo= t;,sans-serif; color:#26282A">[Qin]:Igor, the ECA action proposed in the mo= del of draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04 can do more than PUSHing a notification, it have supported the following capabilities:= </span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"He= lvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"></span></p> <div> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#= 26282A">1)Configuration data object reconfiguration</span><span lang=3D"EN-= US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif= ; color:#26282A"></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0p= t"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvet= ica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"> </span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#= 26282A">IB>> Good, but keep in mind that the parameters of such confi= gurations could not be limited to values specified by the client at the time of EC</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.= 0pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A">A configu= ration ( such values we call Policy Constants (PCs)). It is imperative to a= llow for the results of the ECA thread computations to be also used as values to configure (i.e. PVs along with PCs)</span></p= > <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#= 26282A"> </span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-f= amily:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"></span></p> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#= 26282A">[Qin]: Yes, I have been aware that Policy constant is different fro= m Policy variable, Are both pointing to the same monitored data objects?</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-f= amily:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt; font= -family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A">I think whether it= is policy constant or policy variable, it should be set or configured only= when certain conditions hold.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-siz= e:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"></sp= an></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font= -family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"> </span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font= -family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A">I<b>B2>> How= do you allow the client to say "When Event E is fired, configure leaf= L with a value computed using expression X"? Our suggestion is via two sun-Acrions associated with the ECA: first computes the express= ion X and stores it in a PV, second executes edit-config with the PV conten= t as a value.</b></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" = style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; co= lor:#1F497D">[Qin-2]: I agree arithmetic, function calls we should cover in= ECA model. In the current model, we only support on event invoke another event. In your case, how to hook them together and= define the work flow, e.g., first do this, and do that, this PV should be = outputted by this process, input into another process? I think there is som= e challenge we should see how to tackle, right?</span></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt; font= -family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A">I am wondering whe= re do you store the results of computations(e.g., mean/variance) or some te= mpo value of monitored data object?</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"fon= t-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"= ></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font= -family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"> </span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; f= ont-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A">IB2>> Thi= s is exactly what PV is for</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-si= ze:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"></s= pan></p> </div> </div> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt; font= -family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A">You use policy var= iable itself or you have somewhere else to store these tempo results?</span= ><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetic= a",sans-serif; color:#26282A"></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font= -family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"> </span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font= -family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A">IB2> <b>Client defined PVs</b></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" = style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; co= lor:#26282A"> </span></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font= -family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A">......</span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font= -family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"> </span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt; font= -family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A">[Qin]: Usually the= RPC is sent from NETCONF client to NETCONF server ,do you propose the othe= r way around and allow the netconf server send RPC request to the NETCONF client? I am not sure we can do this</span><span la= ng=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica",s= ans-serif; color:#26282A"></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font= -family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"> </span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font= -family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"> </span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; f= ont-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A">IB2>> In = the context of ECA the RPC Action is request to invoke  *local* server= intelligence (such as path computation engine) that would be normally invoked if the client called a YANG RPC (e.g. as defined by th= e Path Computation model). In other words it is calling by the client an RP= C deferred until the specified Event. </span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:&quo= t;Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"></span></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; f= ont-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A">  .......<= /span></b></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt; font= -family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">[Qin]: I understand = you are looking into TE path computation use case. If ECA model can support= path computation API, that will be brilliant,</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" s= tyle=3D"font-size:10.5pt; font-family:Wingdings; color:#1F497D">J</span><sp= an lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Calibri"= ;,sans-serif; color:#1F497D"></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt; font= -family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"> </span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt; font= -family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A">In addition, when = we talk about how to use ECA model, are we focusing  using ECA model i= n the external interface between NMS and router or are you focusing on using ECA model as internal script to manipulate service l= ogic?</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:&qu= ot;Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"></span></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#= 26282A"> </span></p> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#= 26282A">IB>> The latter. This is what pushing (imperative or declarat= ive) policies down to the network server usually means.</span></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Helvetica&quo= t;,sans-serif; color:#26282A"> [Qin]: I think both are needed to provi= ded event driven network management, first, the management system put down ECA policy to the managed device using NETCONF interface, = secondly, ECA script is generated from ECA policy in the managed device.</s= pan><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helve= tica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica&quo= t;,sans-serif; color:#26282A">3. Evaluation of ECA Conditions, as well as i= nput to ECA Actions may require not just instantaneous network states, but also accumulation/computation of thereof over periods = of time (e.g. min/max/mean leaf values, history data, threshold overstep co= unters, results of various functions/computations/algorithms performed on n= etwork states over time, etc.) Hence there is a need for storage of intermediate results of such computations. = Our contribution introduces such storage in the form of Policy Variables (P= Vs). PVs could be part of Condition expressions, as well as Action inputs a= long with instant network states. PVs also could appear in notifications PUSHed to the client.</span></p> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica&quo= t;,sans-serif; color:#26282A"> </span></p> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Helvetica&quo= t;,sans-serif; color:#26282A"> </span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"fo= nt-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A= "></span></p> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica&quo= t;,sans-serif; color:#26282A">[Qin]: If you follows </span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bw= d-netmod-eca-framework-00" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0p= t; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">https://tools.ietf.org/htm= l/draft-bwd-netmod-eca-framework-00</span></a></span><span lang=3D"EN-US" s= tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; col= or:#26282A"></span></p> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica&quo= t;,sans-serif; color:#26282A">You will see we have already considered what = state needs to be held, current state and history state, and where this state is held.</span></p> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica&quo= t;,sans-serif; color:#26282A">Basic state of ECA include: Event Name, event= occurrence time, start time, end time, threshold value, etc.</span></p> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#= 26282A">I think it is challenging to store all the states and it adds compl= exity of server implantation.</span></p> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#= 26282A"> </span></p> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#= 26282A">IB>> No, I am talking about defining /pushing by the client a= nd executing by the server arbitrary logic in the form of ECAs. This logic, for example, may instruct the server how to recover from= various network failures under extreme time constraints. It may also instr= uct the server how to identify and report "interesting" for the c= lient  events and data, rather than stream raw data  99% of which to be parched, evaluated and discarded as unin= teresting </span> </p> </div> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica&quo= t;,sans-serif; color:#26282A">[Qin]: yeah, network failure recovery and fil= tering unwanted data are two valid use cases we are aiming at also. I am fascinating on function-call you proposed, I am w= ondering where you store these computation results, why not defined it as m= athematics function, just provide input</span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font= -family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A">And then get outpu= t, but the problem where to store these output, in addition, how many polic= y-argument you can support? I seems only two policy-arguments are supported? If we support mathematics function, you can support more th= an two policy arguments, right?</span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font= -family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"> </span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; f= ont-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A">IB2>>The = answer is PVs. See above. Without PVs you are limited only to instantaneous= network states to work with. This may be sufficient for PUSH event scoping, but not for generic ECAs</span></b></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt; font= -family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">[Qin-2]: I agree to = have PV or target to store post processed network states or the value of ma= naged data object. The model proposed in draft-wwx is mingled in between, cover whole push event scoping but doesn=A1=AFt cov= er </span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"= ;Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">arithmetic, function calls, RPC= for generic ECAs.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt; fo= nt-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"></span></p> </div> </div> </div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Helvetica&quo= t;,sans-serif; color:#26282A"> </span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"fo= nt-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A= "></span></p> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica&quo= t;,sans-serif; color:#26282A">4. Notifications triggered by ECA s require d= efinition beyond what is defined by PUSH models, so that the notifications could be properly associated by the client with = a given execution of a given ECA.  Said definition could be found in </span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dra= ft-bryskin-netconf-automation-yang/" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"font-= size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">https://datatrac= ker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bryskin-netconf-automation-yang/</span></a></span><s= pan lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica&q= uot;,sans-serif; color:#26282A">.</span></p> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica&quo= t;,sans-serif; color:#26282A"> </span></p> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#= 26282A">[Qin]:Good, we also provide a few use cases in the section 4 of dra= ft-bwd-netmod-eca-framework-00 to discuss how notification is sent to the NMS to trigger another ECA policy execution, we also could = support One event invoke another event, depends on use cases,</span><span l= ang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica",= sans-serif; color:#26282A"></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#= 26282A"> </span></p> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#= 26282A">IB>> Note that ECAs is not about intense communication betwee= n the client and the server, rather, quite the opposite - it is about pushing ECAs down to the server and let the server perform t= he instructed event driven network management </span></p> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#= 26282A"> </span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-f= amily:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"></span></p> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712msonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style= =3D"font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#= 26282A">[Qin]: We are aligned on this core case.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"= style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; c= olor:#26282A"></span></p> </div> </div> </div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Helvetica&quo= t;,sans-serif; color:#26282A">The use case we like to aim at is service ass= urance use case and network troubleshooting self-management use case.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-famil= y:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica&quo= t;,sans-serif; color:#26282A"> </span></p> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica&quo= t;,sans-serif; color:#26282A">We have more points to discuss, but what is a= bove is a good starting point.</span></p> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica&quo= t;,sans-serif; color:#26282A"> </span></p> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica&quo= t;,sans-serif; color:#26282A">Regards,<br> Igor (and Xufeng)</span></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal" styl= e=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"> <span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica= ",sans-serif; color:#26282A"> </span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica&quo= t;,sans-serif; color:#26282A"> </span></p> </div> </div> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica&quo= t;,sans-serif; color:#26282A"> </span></p> </div> </div> <div id=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712yqt54661"> <div id=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964yqt13999"> <div id=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964yahoo_quoted_354= 7209473"> <div> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica&quo= t;,sans-serif; color:#26282A">On Saturday, November 2, 2019, 10:33:40 AM ED= T, Lou Berger <</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"mailto:lberger@lab= n.net" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"= ;Helvetica",sans-serif">lberger@labn.net</span></a></span><span lang= =3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica",san= s-serif; color:#26282A">> wrote: </span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica&quo= t;,sans-serif; color:#26282A"> </span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica&quo= t;,sans-serif; color:#26282A"> </span></p> </div> <div> <div> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal"><spa= n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica&quo= t;,sans-serif; color:#26282A">Qin,<br>     Thanks for the update.<br> <br> To answer your question as well as respond to the related thread, as<br> chair, I generally think it best to adopt once there is consensus in the<br= > WG on a direction to take with respect to the topic covered by a draft.<br> That is not to say that a fully formed or documented solution is<br> required at adoption but that if there are several different approaches<br> available, that the adopted work reflects the direction that the WG will<br= > pursue.<br> <br> In this case, the current rev is certainly a step in that direction, but<br= > the WG still as two different basic approaches available to it in this<br> draft and draft-bryskin-netconf-automation-yang.  I personally always<= br> prefer it when individual draft authors can find common ground and come<br> to the WG with a single (unified) proposal rather than ask the working<br> group to choose one over the other.  I'm not sure who among the author= s<br> will be in Singapore, but perhaps the authors can take the opportunity<br> to meet to discuss the possibly of such a unified proposal as well<br> report back to the working group on their progress/status.  Time<br> permitting, we should at least hear a summary of each approach so that<br> if a unified approach is not proposed that the WG is better informed on<br> the proposals.<br> <br> Cheers,<br> Lou</span></p> <div id=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964yqtfd14310"> <p class=3D"ydp8813a89byiv0078804712ydp615efa4eyiv0992657964msonormal" styl= e=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"> <span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica= ",sans-serif; color:#26282A"><br> On 11/1/19 11:02 PM, Qin Wu wrote:<br> > v-04 is posted to address chairs' comments, <br> > </span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/do= c/html/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"fon= t-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">https://datatr= acker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-04</span></a></span><sp= an lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica&qu= ot;,sans-serif; color:#26282A"><br> > the main changes include:<br> >    o  Add text in introduction section to clarify the u= sage examples of<br> >      ECA policy<br> >    o  Update objective section to align with use cases.= <br> >    o  Clarify the relationship between target and polic= y variable.<br> >    o  Change variation trigger condition back into thre= shold trigger<br> >      condition and clarify the usage of three trigger c= onditions.<br> >    o  Remove Event MIB related section.<br> >    o  Add new coauthors and contributors.<br> > Chairs, what is the next step?<br> > <br> > -Qin (on behalf of authors)<br> > <br> > -----</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; color:#26282A">=D3=CA=BC= =FE=D4=AD=BC=FE</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-= family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A">-----<br> > </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; color:#26282A">=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8= =CB</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"= ;Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A">: I-D-Announce [mailto:</span><= span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"mailto:i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org" target= =3D"_blank"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica&qu= ot;,sans-serif">i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org</span></a></span><span lang= =3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica",san= s-serif; color:#26282A">] </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; color:#26282A">=B4=FA=B1=ED</span><= span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-seri= f; color:#26282A"> </span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org" tar= get=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica= ",sans-serif">internet-drafts@ietf.org</span></a></span><span lang=3D"= EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-se= rif; color:#26282A"><br> > </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; color:#26282A">=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA= =B1=BC=E4</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family= :"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A">: 2019</span><span style= =3D"font-size:10.0pt; color:#26282A">=C4=EA</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" styl= e=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:= #26282A">11</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; color:#26282A">=D4=C2</s= pan><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helve= tica",sans-serif; color:#26282A">2</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0= pt; color:#26282A">=C8=D5</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.= 0pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"> 10:57<br> > </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; color:#26282A">=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8= =CB</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"= ;Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A">: </span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"mailto:i-d-announce@ietf.org" target= =3D"_blank"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; 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boundary="000000000000bc31c80596c3ba33" Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/RtgiO8NS4ymruk_pQckAIbqffCY> Subject: Re: [netmod] comments on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list <netmod.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/netmod/> List-Post: <mailto:netmod@ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2019 15:58:12 -0000 --000000000000bc31c80596c3ba33 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 12:25 AM Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com> wrote: > Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com> wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 2:40 PM Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel < > balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com> > > wrote: > > > > > See below! Balazs > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> *On Behalf Of *Andy Bierman > > > *Sent:* 2019. okt=C3=B3ber 10., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 17:34 > > > *To:* Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com> > > > *Cc:* NetMod WG <netmod@ietf.org> > > > *Subject:* Re: [netmod] comments on > > > draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 5:06 AM Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com> > wrote: > > [...] > > > > o Data node naming. > > > > > > The current structure of the model is: > > > > > > +--rw (content-schema-spec)? > > > | +--:(simplified-inline) > > > | +--rw module* string > > > | +--:(inline) > > > | | +--rw inline-spec* string > > > | | +--rw inline-content-schema <anydata> > > > | +--:(uri) > > > | +--rw schema-uri? inet:uri > > > ... > > > +--rw content-data? <anydata> > > > > > > > > > To make the instance document more understandable, I suggest the > > > following structure, which adds a wrapping container for the > > > schema, and renames the inline and uri nodes: > > > > > > +--rw content-schema > > > +--rw (content-schema-spec)? > > > | +--:(simplified-inline) > > > | +--rw module* string > > > | +--:(inline) > > > | | +--rw inline-module* string > > > | | +--rw inline-schema <anydata> > > > | +--:(uri) > > > | +--rw same-schema-as-file? inet:uri > > > ... > > > +--rw content-data? <anydata> > > > > > > > > > > > > +1, except not in favor of so many ways to specify schema. > > > > > > That means the file reader MUST support all of them. > > > > > > > > > > > > BALAZS: All 3 formats have been explicitly requested by earlier > > > commenters. I see a rational for each: > > > > > > Simplified-inline: it is simple and usually enough > > > > > > Inline: if you need to specify not just the modules but also the > supported > > > features and deviations you need this full format > > > > > > Uri: if you don=E2=80=99t really want to specify the content-schema i= n detail, > > > e.g., because you are generating many files with the same schema, all > you > > > need is reference that identifies the content-schema > > > > > > > > > > > > Which one would you like to implementing? Maybe we could make the > inline > > > method optional with a feature (feature if-feature), > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will just deviate out the stuff not worth implementing. ;-) > > I prefer the schema-uri approach but simplified-inline is probably > easiest > > to implement. > > > > The schema-uri looks standard but the contents of the referenced YANG > > instance file can be > > anything (as opposed to a pre-defined YANG template like /yang-library)= . > > Note that the name of this leaf is misleading (see my ealrier > comments). It is really 'same-schema-as-file', which means that it > point to another YANG instance data file, which must specify its > schema in one of the three ways. Which may be another schema-uri, but > in the end the recursion must stop and you must find a YANG instance > data file that usses 'simplified-inline' or 'inline'. > > OK -- much worse than I thought... > > The inline-content-schema object looks broken because a YANG file is a > text > > string. > > It is supposed to be data nodes for /yang-library or perhaps > /module-sets, or perhaps something else. See the examples in section > 3.2. > > It seems strange that the details that don't matter at all (like the filename) have lots of rules that MUST be followed and the details that actually add standards value are left unspecified. > > /martin > > Andy > > > How does one use anydata to encode a text string? (It must be a contain= er > > of YANG data nodes). > > Even the YIN representation is not a set of YANG data nodes, so anydata > > encoding seems wrong. > > Including all the YANG modules in this file seems especially heavyweigh= t. > > (I have no intention of supporting this mode.) > > > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > netmod mailing list > > > netmod@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > > --000000000000bc31c80596c3ba33 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">= <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 12:25 AM Marti= n Bjorklund <<a href=3D"mailto:mbj@tail-f.com">mbj@tail-f.com</a>> wr= ote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px= 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Andy Bierma= n <<a href=3D"mailto:andy@yumaworks.com" target=3D"_blank">andy@yumawork= s.com</a>> wrote:<br> > On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 2:40 PM Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <<a href=3D"mail= to:balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com" target=3D"_blank">balazs.lengyel@ericsson.c= om</a>><br> > wrote:<br> > <br> > > See below!=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Balazs<br> > ><br> > ><br> > ><br> > > *From:* netmod <<a href=3D"mailto:netmod-bounces@ietf.org" tar= get=3D"_blank">netmod-bounces@ietf.org</a>> *On Behalf Of *Andy Bierman<= br> > > *Sent:* 2019. okt=C3=B3ber 10., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 17:34<br= > > > *To:* Martin Bjorklund <<a href=3D"mailto:mbj@tail-f.com" targ= et=3D"_blank">mbj@tail-f.com</a>><br> > > *Cc:* NetMod WG <<a href=3D"mailto:netmod@ietf.org" target=3D"= _blank">netmod@ietf.org</a>><br> > > *Subject:* Re: [netmod] comments on<br> > > draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04<br> > ><br> > ><br> > ><br> > ><br> > ><br> > ><br> > ><br> > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 5:06 AM Martin Bjorklund <<a href=3D"m= ailto:mbj@tail-f.com" target=3D"_blank">mbj@tail-f.com</a>> wrote:<br> <br> [...]<br> <br> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 Data node naming.<br> > ><br> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The current structure of the model is:<br> > ><br> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+--rw (content-schema-spec)?<br> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 +--:(simplified-inline)<= br> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+--rw modul= e*=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0string<br> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 +--:(inline)<br> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +--rw inline-spe= c*=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 string<br> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +--rw inline-con= tent-schema=C2=A0 =C2=A0<anydata><br> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 +--:(uri)<br> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+--rw schem= a-uri?=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0inet:uri<br> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0...<br> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+--rw content-data?=C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<anydata><br> > ><br> > ><br> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0To make the instance document more understanda= ble, I suggest the<br> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0following structure, which adds a wrapping con= tainer for the<br> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0schema, and renames the inline and uri nodes:<= br> > ><br> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+--rw content-schema<br> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +--rw (content-schema-sp= ec)?<br> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +--:(simplified-= inline)<br> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+--= rw module*=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0str= ing<br> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +--:(inline)<br> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +--rw in= line-module*=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 string<br> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +--rw in= line-schema=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<anydata><br> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +--:(uri)<br> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+--= rw same-schema-as-file?=C2=A0 =C2=A0 inet:uri<br> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0...<br> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+--rw content-data?=C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<anydata><br> > ><br> > ><br> > ><br> > > +1, except not in favor of so many ways to specify schema.<br> > ><br> > > That means the file reader MUST support all of them.<br> > ><br> > ><br> > ><br> > > BALAZS: All 3 formats have been explicitly requested by earlier<b= r> > > commenters. I see a rational for each:<br> > ><br> > > Simplified-inline: it is simple and usually enough<br> > ><br> > > Inline: if you need to specify not just the modules but also the = supported<br> > > features and deviations you need this full format<br> > ><br> > > Uri: if you don=E2=80=99t really want to specify the content-sche= ma in detail,<br> > > e.g., because you are generating many files with the same schema,= all you<br> > > need is reference that identifies the content-schema<br> > ><br> > ><br> > ><br> > > Which one would you like to implementing? Maybe we could make the= inline<br> > > method optional with a feature (feature if-feature),<br> > ><br> > ><br> > ><br> > <br> > I will just deviate out the stuff not worth implementing. ;-)<br> > I prefer the schema-uri approach but simplified-inline is probably eas= iest<br> > to implement.<br> > <br> > The schema-uri looks standard but the contents of the referenced YANG<= br> > instance file can be<br> > anything (as opposed to a pre-defined YANG template like /yang-library= ).<br> <br> Note that the name of this leaf is misleading (see my ealrier<br> comments).=C2=A0 It is really 'same-schema-as-file', which means th= at it<br> point to another YANG instance data file, which must specify its<br> schema in one of the three ways.=C2=A0 Which may be another schema-uri, but= <br> in the end the recursion must stop and you must find a YANG instance<br> data file that usses 'simplified-inline' or 'inline'.<br> <br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>OK -- much worse than I= thought...</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style= =3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding= -left:1ex"> > The inline-content-schema object looks broken because a YANG file is a= text<br> > string.<br> <br> It is supposed to be data nodes for /yang-library or perhaps<br> /module-sets, or perhaps something else.=C2=A0 See the examples in section<= br> 3.2.<br> <br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>It seems strange that t= he details that don't matter at all (like the filename) have lots</div>= <div>of rules that MUST be followed and the details that actually add stand= ards value are left unspecified.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D= "gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(2= 04,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> <br> /martin<br> <br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Andy</div><div>=C2=A0</= div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bor= der-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> <br> > How does one use anydata to encode a text string? (It must be a contai= ner<br> > of YANG data nodes).<br> > Even the YIN representation is not a set of YANG data nodes, so anydat= a<br> > encoding seems wrong.<br> > Including all the YANG modules in this file seems especially heavyweig= ht.<br> > (I have no intention of supporting this mode.)<br> > <br> > <br> > <br> > > Andy<br> > ><br> > <br> > <br> > Andy<br> > <br> > <br> > > _______________________________________________<br> > > netmod mailing list<br> > > <a href=3D"mailto:netmod@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">netmod@ietf.= org</a><br> > > <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod" rel=3D"n= oreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod</= a><br> > ><br> </blockquote></div></div> --000000000000bc31c80596c3ba33-- From nobody Sun Nov 10 18:34:14 2019 Return-Path: <bill.wu@huawei.com> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 019141200A4; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 18:34:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HcBZ1dn5BTvS; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 18:34:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF13A12002F; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 18:34:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhreml709-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.108]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id C44B1A9E52463AC712EF; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 02:34:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lhreml705-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.54) by lhreml709-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.32) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 02:34:07 +0000 Received: from lhreml705-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.54) by lhreml705-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.54) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.1713.5; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 02:34:07 +0000 Received: from DGGEML424-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.1.199.41) by lhreml705-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.54) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA_P256) id 15.1.1713.5 via Frontend Transport; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 02:34:06 +0000 Received: from DGGEML511-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.1.41]) by dggeml424-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.1.199.41]) with mapi id 14.03.0439.000; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 10:34:02 +0800 From: Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.com> To: "netmod@ietf.org" <netmod@ietf.org> CC: "netmod-chairs@ietf.org" <netmod-chairs@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: Planned changes on draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default Thread-Index: AdWYNmsVJB9dH2beQsekYoSJldq05A== Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 02:34:00 +0000 Message-ID: <B8F9A780D330094D99AF023C5877DABAA9406E2B@dggeml511-mbx.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.134.31.203] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_B8F9A780D330094D99AF023C5877DABAA9406E2Bdggeml511mbxchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/IyjrnnhnoZiyEGpLzndvV_N6WJ4> Subject: [netmod] Planned changes on draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list <netmod.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/netmod/> List-Post: <mailto:netmod@ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 02:34:12 -0000 --_000_B8F9A780D330094D99AF023C5877DABAA9406E2Bdggeml511mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, All Thanks to Andy, Jurgen, Martin, Kent, Joe and John, we have a good discussi= on on draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default during WGLC, General agreements have been reached on what changes we should make. Based on these agreement, we would like to have the following planned chang= es: 1. Remove <copy-config> operation on factory-default datastore 2. Add nacm:default-deny-all on "factory-reset" RPC. 3. Remove the text on how Factory-default is specified based on Martin and = Andy comments 4. Add security consideration on new RPC operation impact on session manage= ment and operation disrupt based on Andy's comments 5. Document other clearing and resetting requirements after "factory-reset"= RPC operation based on John, Kent and Jurgen's comments. 6. Remove RFC8174 language boilerplate in the YANG data module based on Mar= tin's comment. These changes will be rolled into v-07. Some of these changes (e.g,1,2,4) h= ave already been reflected in -v06. The proposed text for 5 has been posted= for review on the list. Let us know if you have any additional comments or input. We plan to submit v-07 in submission reopen date. -Qin (on behalf of authors) --_000_B8F9A780D330094D99AF023C5877DABAA9406E2Bdggeml511mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-micr= osoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:m=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns=3D"http:= //www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii"= > <meta name=3D"Generator" content=3D"Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"> <style><!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:SimSun; panose-1:2 1 6 0 3 1 1 1 1 1;} @font-face {font-family:"Cambria Math"; panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:SimSun; panose-1:2 1 6 0 3 1 1 1 1 1;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0cm; margin-bottom:.0001pt; text-align:justify; text-justify:inter-ideograph; font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:#0563C1; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {mso-style-priority:99; color:#954F72; text-decoration:underline;} p.MsoPlainText, li.MsoPlainText, div.MsoPlainText {mso-style-priority:99; mso-style-link:"\7EAF\6587\672C Char"; margin:0cm; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;} span.EmailStyle17 {mso-style-type:personal-compose; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:windowtext;} span.Char {mso-style-name:"\7EAF\6587\672C Char"; mso-style-priority:99; mso-style-link:\7EAF\6587\672C; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;} .MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;} /* Page Definitions */ @page WordSection1 {size:612.0pt 792.0pt; margin:72.0pt 90.0pt 72.0pt 90.0pt;} div.WordSection1 {page:WordSection1;} --></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapedefaults v:ext=3D"edit" spidmax=3D"1026" /> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapelayout v:ext=3D"edit"> <o:idmap v:ext=3D"edit" data=3D"1" /> </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--> </head> <body lang=3D"ZH-CN" link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72" style=3D"text-justi= fy-trim:punctuation"> <div class=3D"WordSection1"> <p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Hi, All<o:p></o:p></span></p= > <p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Thanks to Andy, Jurgen, Mart= in, Kent, Joe and John, we have a good discussion on draft-ietf-netmod-fact= ory-default during WGLC,<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">General agreements have been= reached on what changes we should make.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Based on these agreement, we= would like to have the following planned changes: <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">1. Remove <copy-config>= ; operation on factory-default datastore <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">2. Add nacm:default-deny-all= on "factory-reset" RPC.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">3. Remove the text on how Fa= ctory-default is specified based on Martin and Andy comments <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">4. Add security consideratio= n on new RPC operation impact on session management and operation disrupt b= ased on Andy's comments <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">5. Document other clearing a= nd resetting requirements after "factory-reset" RPC operation bas= ed on John, Kent and Jurgen's comments.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">6. Remove RFC8174 language b= oilerplate in the YANG data module based on Martin</span><span lang=3D"EN-U= S" style=3D"font-family:"Courier New"">’</span><span lang= =3D"EN-US">s comment.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">These changes will be rolled= into v-07. Some of these changes (e.g,1,2,4) have already been reflected i= n </span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:"Courier New"">&= #8211;</span><span lang=3D"EN-US">v06. The proposed text for 5 has been pos= ted for review on the list.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Let us know if you have any = additional comments or input.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">We plan to submit v-07 in su= bmission reopen date.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">-Qin (on behalf of authors)<o:p= ></o:p></span></p> </div> </body> </html> --_000_B8F9A780D330094D99AF023C5877DABAA9406E2Bdggeml511mbxchi_-- From nobody Mon Nov 11 03:58:36 2019 Return-Path: <rwilton@cisco.com> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EA761200FA; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 03:58:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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DIR:OUT; SFP:1101; SCL:1; SRVR:MN2PR11MB3599; H:MN2PR11MB4366.namprd11.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; LANG:en; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: cisco.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) x-ms-exchange-senderadcheck: 1 x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: HU6yaZk0df106tUchhHB3rxAvkZTccNtYOm5YgDNVN/5ZuwTpKVDGIKbL1e6nuoq5ETD38LRAcI75cWULh8eAl9zfSqzMXWgn1i9+aGcUaGCBFuUHnKYis4IWoDbgBAT6xfHpn79bgLQkzMibWMbZRpAy+iUbw9bH2ZCT7yhcMWB/DiZVshGdD8SgqlKFIZfydFahPgwO2660OAsqxVDPVoUcMPFKSb6R08BNUix0jS1EMhGHqmV5YFvzCxFzNguaxm5o62jgTFn+4gCQP8PUOgi4SjgmA7Prr4qk33S8qnHbdx6CwAFJgYC+ZtZWbvE01s7Xw2eWwp9Os1iWmgIS98tF/aI/ehwBZ9d9HVmi8eRqc37WzLCItgCrCLtWlP3bAN77VEGKRh8kaDMmYdNAlpKG9Nht1XfNVU+wWf69ImhRqRNO2QQf4CL2NDTOovMoiO+0ypMZsiwIxnYrzdVTSQRSfbY95HIDmE+3kHFHyc= x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_MN2PR11MB4366E382DB1B3D823215416AB5740MN2PR11MB4366namp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 09454ff0-5fe2-4b7a-b9ef-08d7669e75c2 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 11 Nov 2019 11:58:25.9967 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 5ae1af62-9505-4097-a69a-c1553ef7840e X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: 0H/pEa9fyBahqO0gklfx1ZLkr9mokb1uleXeuzCsMRGH1MXzwDP28CbOxIh+jpIO+qNK42na4mOwxSvFQyxtSg== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: MN2PR11MB3599 X-OriginatorOrg: cisco.com X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 173.36.7.24, xch-aln-014.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: rcdn-core-2.cisco.com Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/jc5NSJZ1P2NaE6I9BjVroHvEYTo> Subject: Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05.txt X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list <netmod.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/netmod/> List-Post: <mailto:netmod@ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 11:58:34 -0000 --_000_MN2PR11MB4366E382DB1B3D823215416AB5740MN2PR11MB4366namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I've reviewed draft -06 and have the following LC comments. Section 1, in Introduction (probably the abstract could be similarly tweake= d): 1. Suggest changing "... major errors, so re-starting ..." to "... major= errors and so restarting ...". This could also be fixed in the abstract. 1. Suggest deleting the sentence "When resetting a datastore all previou= s configuration settings will be lost and replaced by the factory-default content". I think that this can covered further in the = document, and doesn't need to be stated in the introduction. 1. Suggest changing "A new factory-reset RPC" to "A factory-reset RPC" 1. Regarding "Optionally a new "factory-default" read-only datastore is = defined, that contains the data that will be copied over to all read-write = configuration datastores at reset". I suggest changing "read-write configuration datastores" to "read-write con= ventional configuration datastores", and import "conventional configuration= datastore" from RFC 8342. Also, I think that section 3 should be updated = to indicate that the datastore is OPTIONAL to implement. Hence proposed re= placement text: "A "factory-default" read-only datastore is defined, that contains the data= to replace the contents of implemented read-write conventional configurati= on datastores when reset." 1. I'm not sure that the paragraph about the <delete> operation (presuma= bly this should be <delete-config>) is required at all. If you do want to = retain it, then I would suggest condensing it from: " NETCONF defines the <delete> operation that allows resetting the <startup> datastore and the <discard-changes> operation that copies the content of the <running> datastore into the <candidate> datastore. However it is not possible to reset the running datastore, to reset the candidate datastore without changing the running datastore or to reset any dynamic datastore. A RESTCONF server MAY implement the above NETCONF operations, but that would still not allow it to reset the running configuration." to "NETCONF defines the <delete-config> RPC operation, but that only acts on = the <startup-datastore>, whereas the <factory-reset> RPC operation can perf= orm additional changes to the device to fully reset the device back to a fa= ctory-default state." Section 1.1, Terminology, 1. "candiate =3D> candidate". 1. "factory-default datastore", I think that this should be defined as a= "A read-only configuration datastore ..." Section 2. Factory-Reset RPC: 1. I think that this could be more prescriptive about how the datastores= are reset: * All supported conventional read-write configuration datastores (i.= e. <running>, <startup>, and <candidate>) are all reset to the contents of = <factory-default>, * Read-only datastores receive their content from other datastores, = e.g., <intended> is updated due to the config changes to <running>, * All data in any ephemeral datastores MUST be discarded, * The contents of the <operational> datastore MUST be reset back to = an appropriate factory-default state,. 1. I agree with Andy about deleting the text on how the factory-default = contents is defined. Section 3, Factory-Default Datastore "Management operations": 1. Should indicate that the datastore is OPTIONAL to implement. A devic= e MAY only implement the <factory-reset> RPC without implementing the datas= tore, thus loosing the ability to see what configuration the device would b= e reset back to. 1. It is unclear what a "specialized, dedicated operation" is. Does thi= s mean an NETCONF/RESTCONF RPC, or something outside of YANG management pro= tocols altogether? Perhaps change this to "dedicated RPC operation" 1. Suggest changing "The contents of the datastore can be read using NET= CONF <get-data> and <get-config> operations, and the RESTCONF protocol equi= valents. to "The datastore can be read using the standard NETCONF/RESTCONF = protocol operations." 1. Suggest changing "The operation <factory- reset>" to "The <factory-re= set> RPC operation". Perhaps also import the "RPC operation" definition fr= om RFC 7950? 1. " On devices that support non-volatile storage, the contents of <fact= ory > MUST persist across restarts." The factory-default datastore is only useful if persists across restarts, s= o I would change this statement to: "The contents of <factory-default> MUST= persist across device restarts." Section 4: YANG Module 1. Please add references to the import statements. 2. Remove reference to <get-config> in the description, and realign the = description text. 3. Change feature name from "factory-default-as-datastore" to "factory-d= efault-datastore" 4. Please expand on the description associated with the "factory-reset" = RPC since it can be impact other datastores and file contents, or reference= back to the appropriate section of the RPC. 5. Change description of "factory-default" identity to "This read-only d= atastore contains the configuration data used to replace the contents ofthe= read-write conventional configuration datastores during a factory-reset RP= C operation." Appendix A: 1. I wasn't sure that this section is required at all. Thanks, Rob From: netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Kent Watsen Sent: 01 November 2019 15:22 To: netmod@ietf.org Cc: draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05.txt This begins a two-week Working Group Last Call (WGLC) on draft-ietf-netmod-= factory-default-05. The WGLC ends on Nov 15 (two days before the NETMOD 10= 6 session). Please send your comments to the working group mailing list. Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and believe it is rea= dy for publication", are welcome! This is useful and important, even from = authors. Objections, concerns, and suggestions are also welcomed at this t= ime. Thank you, NETMOD Chairs On Nov 1, 2019, at 1:59 AM, internet-drafts@ietf.org<mailto:internet-drafts= @ietf.org> wrote: A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. Title : Factory Default Setting Authors : Qin Wu Balazs Lengyel Ye Niu Filename : draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2019-10-31 Abstract: This document defines a method to reset a server to its factory- default content. The reset operation may be used e.g. during initial zero-touch configuration or when the existing configuration has major errors, so re-starting the configuration process from scratch is the best option. A new factory-reset RPC is defined. Several methods of documenting the factory-default content are specified. Optionally a new "factory-default" read-only datastore is defined, that contains the data that will be copied over to the running datastore at reset. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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major errors, so re-starting …” to “… major e= rrors and so restarting …”.  This could also be fixed in t= he abstract.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbs= p;</o:p></span></p> <ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"2" type=3D"1"> <li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 = lfo8"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Suggest deleting the sente= nce “When resetting a datastore all previous configuration settings w= ill be lost and replaced by the<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> &nb= sp; factory-default content”.  I think that this can covered fur= ther in the document, and doesn’t need to be stated in the introducti= on.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbs= p;</o:p></span></p> <ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"3" type=3D"1"> <li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 = lfo8"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Suggest changing “A = new factory-reset RPC” to “A factory-reset RPC”<o:p></o:p= ></span></li></ol> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbs= p;</o:p></span></p> <ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"4" type=3D"1"> <li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 = lfo8"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regarding “Optionall= y a new "factory-default" read-only datastore is defined, that co= ntains the data that will be copied over to all read-write configuration datastores at reset”.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol> <p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o= :p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I = suggest changing “read-write configuration datastores” to ̶= 0;read-write conventional configuration datastores”, and import ̶= 0;conventional configuration datastore” from RFC 8342.  Also, I = think that section 3 should be updated to indicate that the datastore is OPTIONA= L to implement.  Hence proposed replacement text:<o:p></o:p></span></p= > <p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o= :p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">&#= 8220;A "factory-default" read-only datastore is defined, that con= tains the data to replace the contents of implemented read-write convention= al configuration datastores when reset.”<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbs= p;</o:p></span></p> <ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"5" type=3D"1"> <li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 = lfo8"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I’m not sure that th= e paragraph about the <delete> operation (presumably this should be &= lt;delete-config>) is required at all.  If you do want to retain it, then I would suggest condensing it from:<o:p></o:p></span></= li></ol> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbs= p;</o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">“&n= bsp;  NETCONF defines the <delete> operation that allows resetti= ng the<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> &nb= sp;<startup> datastore and the <discard-changes> operation that= copies<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> &nb= sp; the content of the <running> datastore into the <candidate>= <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> &nb= sp; datastore.  However it is not possible to reset the running<o:p></= o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> &nb= sp; datastore, to reset the candidate datastore without changing the<o:p></= o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> &nb= sp; running datastore or to reset any dynamic datastore.<o:p></o:p></span><= /p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbs= p;</o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> &nb= sp; A RESTCONF server MAY implement the above NETCONF operations, but<o:p><= /o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> &nb= sp; that would still not allow it to reset the running configuration.”= ;<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbs= p;</o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">to <o:p><= /o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbs= p;</o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">“NE= TCONF defines the <delete-config> RPC operation,  but that only = acts on the <startup-datastore>, whereas the <factory-reset> RP= C operation can perform additional changes to the device to fully reset the device back to a factory-default state.”<o:p></o:p></span>= </p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbs= p;</o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbs= p;</o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Section 1= .1, Terminology, <o:p></o:p></span></p> <ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"6" type=3D"1"> <li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 = lfo8"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">  “candiat= e =3D> candidate”.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbs= p;</o:p></span></p> <ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"7" type=3D"1"> <li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 = lfo8"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">“factory-default dat= astore”, I think that this should be defined as a “A read-only = configuration datastore …”<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbs= p;</o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Section 2= . Factory-Reset RPC:<o:p></o:p></span></p> <ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"8" type=3D"1"> <li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 = lfo8"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I think that this could be= more prescriptive about how the datastores are reset:<o:p></o:p></span></l= i><ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"1" type=3D"a"> <li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level2 = lfo8"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">All supported conventional= read-write configuration datastores (i.e. <running>, <startup>= , and <candidate>) are all reset to the contents of <factory-default>,<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagra= ph" style=3D"margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo8"><span style=3D"mso-fa= reast-language:EN-US">Read-only datastores receive their content from other= datastores, e.g., <intended> is updated due to the config changes to= <running>,<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" styl= e=3D"margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo8"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-la= nguage:EN-US">All data in any ephemeral datastores MUST be discarded,<o:p><= /o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0cm;ms= o-list:l1 level2 lfo8"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The conte= nts of the <operational> datastore MUST be reset back to an appropria= te factory-default state,.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol> </ol> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbs= p;</o:p></span></p> <ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"9" type=3D"1"> <li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 = lfo8"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I agree with Andy about de= leting the text on how the factory-default contents is defined.<o:p></o:p><= /span></li></ol> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbs= p;</o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Section 3= , Factory-Default Datastore<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">  &#= 8220;Management operations”:<o:p></o:p></span></p> <ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"10" type=3D"1"> <li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 = lfo8"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Should indicate that the d= atastore is OPTIONAL to implement.  A device MAY only implement the &l= t;factory-reset> RPC without implementing the datastore, thus loosing the ability to see what configuration the device w= ould be reset back to.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol> <p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o= :p> </o:p></span></p> <ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"11" type=3D"1"> <li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 = lfo8"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">It is unclear what a ̶= 0;specialized, dedicated operation” is.  Does this mean an NETCO= NF/RESTCONF RPC, or something outside of YANG management protocols altogether?  Perhaps change this to “dedicated RPC op= eration”<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbs= p;</o:p></span></p> <ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"12" type=3D"1"> <li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 = lfo8"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Suggest changing “Th= e contents of the datastore can be read using NETCONF <get-data> and = <get-config> operations, and the RESTCONF protocol equivalents. to “The datastore can be read using the standard NETCON= F/RESTCONF protocol operations.”<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol> <p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o= :p> </o:p></span></p> <ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"13" type=3D"1"> <li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 = lfo8"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Suggest changing “Th= e operation <factory- reset>” to “The <factory-reset&g= t; RPC operation”.  Perhaps also import the “RPC operation= ” definition from RFC 7950?<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbs= p;</o:p></span></p> <ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"14" type=3D"1"> <li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 = lfo8"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">“ On devices that su= pport non-volatile storage, the contents of <factory > MUST persist a= cross restarts.”<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol> <p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o= :p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Th= e factory-default datastore is only useful if persists across restarts, so = I would change this statement to: “The contents of <factory-defaul= t> MUST persist across device restarts.”<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbs= p;</o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Section 4= : YANG Module<o:p></o:p></span></p> <ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"15" type=3D"1"> <li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 = lfo8"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Please add references to t= he import statements.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" = style=3D"margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo8"><span style=3D"mso-fareas= t-language:EN-US">Remove reference to <get-config> in the description= , and realign the description text.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoL= istParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo8"><span style= =3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Change feature name from “factory-def= ault-as-datastore” to “factory-default-datastore”<o:p></o= :p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0cm;mso-= list:l1 level1 lfo8"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Please expa= nd on the description associated with the “factory-reset” RPC s= ince it can be impact other datastores and file contents, or reference back to the appropriate section of the RPC.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li clas= s=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo8"><s= pan style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Change description of “facto= ry-default” identity to “This read-only datastore contains the = configuration data used to replace the contents ofthe read-write conventional configuration datastores during a factory-re= set RPC operation.”<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbs= p;</o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Appendix = A:<o:p></o:p></span></p> <ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"20" type=3D"1"> <li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 = lfo8"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I wasn’t sure that t= his section is required at all.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbs= p;</o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks,<o= :p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Rob<o:p><= /o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbs= p;</o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbs= p;</o:p></span></p> <div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm = 4.0pt"> <div> <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm = 0cm 0cm"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang= =3D"EN-US"> netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kent Watsen<br> <b>Sent:</b> 01 November 2019 15:22<br> <b>To:</b> netmod@ietf.org<br> <b>Cc:</b> draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default@ietf.org<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-= 05.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Menlo-Re= gular;color:black"><br> <br> </span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Menlo-Re= gular;color:black">This begins a two-week Working Group Last Call (WGLC) on= draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05.  The WGLC ends on Nov 15 (two d= ays before the NETMOD 106 session).  Please send your comments to the working group mailing list.<br> <br> Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and believe it i= s ready for publication", are welcome!  This is useful and import= ant, even from authors.  Objections, concerns, and suggestions are als= o welcomed at this time.<br> <br> Thank you,<br> NETMOD Chairs<br> </span><br> <br> <br> <o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br> <br> <o:p></o:p></p> <blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Nov 1, 2019, at 1:59 AM, <a href=3D"mailto:intern= et-drafts@ietf.org"> internet-drafts@ietf.org</a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.<br> This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF.<br> <br>        Title     &nb= sp;     : Factory Default Setting<br>        Authors     &= nbsp;   : Qin Wu<br>             &nb= sp;            = Balazs Lengyel<br>             &nb= sp;            = Ye Niu<br> <span class=3D"apple-tab-span">       &n= bsp;     </span>Filename      =   : draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05.txt<br> <span class=3D"apple-tab-span">       &n= bsp;     </span>Pages      &nb= sp;    : 11<br> <span class=3D"apple-tab-span">       &n= bsp;     </span>Date      &nbs= p;     : 2019-10-31<br> <br> Abstract:<br>   This document defines a method to reset a server to its factory= -<br>   default content.  The reset operation may be used e.g. dur= ing initial<br>   zero-touch configuration or when the existing configuration has= major<br>   errors, so re-starting the configuration process from scratch i= s the<br>   best option.<br> <br>   A new factory-reset RPC is defined.  Several methods of do= cumenting<br>   the factory-default content are specified.<br> <br>   Optionally a new "factory-default" read-only datastor= e is defined,<br>   that contains the data that will be copied over to the running<= br>   datastore at reset.<br> <br> <br> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:<br> <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-factory-defau= lt/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default/</a= ><br> <br> There are also htmlized versions available at:<br> <a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05= ">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05</a><br> <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-factory-= default-05">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-factory= -default-05</a><br> <br> A diff from the previous version is available at:<br> <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-netmod-factory-de= fault-05">https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-netmod-factory-def= ault-05</a><br> <br> <br> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n<br> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.<br> <br> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:<br> <a href=3D"ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/">ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet= -drafts/</a><br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> netmod mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:netmod@ietf.org">netmod@ietf.org</a><br> <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod">https://www.ietf.o= rg/mailman/listinfo/netmod</a><o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> </div> </body> </html> --_000_MN2PR11MB4366E382DB1B3D823215416AB5740MN2PR11MB4366namp_-- From nobody Mon Nov 11 04:52:45 2019 Return-Path: <joelja@bogus.com> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B44DB1200FA; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 04:52:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, 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<https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/netmod/> List-Post: <mailto:netmod@ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 12:52:44 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_C70A3BD2-8105-40B4-AC97-2174CFB6C60E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > On Nov 1, 2019, at 08:21, Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@watsen.net> wrote: >=20 >=20 > This begins a two-week Working Group Last Call (WGLC) on = draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05. The WGLC ends on Nov 15 (two days = before the NETMOD 106 session). Please send your comments to the = working group mailing list. >=20 > Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and believe it = is ready for publication", are welcome! This is useful and important, = even from authors. Objections, concerns, and suggestions are also = welcomed at this time. No chair hat.=20 I support moving this document along at this point. kent had a great set = of edits which should be applied. but it otherwise is ready to go. joel > Thank you, > NETMOD Chairs >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On Nov 1, 2019, at 1:59 AM, internet-drafts@ietf.org = <mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. >> This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. >>=20 >> Title : Factory Default Setting >> Authors : Qin Wu >> Balazs Lengyel >> Ye Niu >> Filename : draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05.txt >> Pages : 11 >> Date : 2019-10-31 >>=20 >> Abstract: >> This document defines a method to reset a server to its factory- >> default content. The reset operation may be used e.g. during = initial >> zero-touch configuration or when the existing configuration has = major >> errors, so re-starting the configuration process from scratch is = the >> best option. >>=20 >> A new factory-reset RPC is defined. Several methods of documenting >> the factory-default content are specified. >>=20 >> Optionally a new "factory-default" read-only datastore is defined, >> that contains the data that will be copied over to the running >> datastore at reset. >>=20 >>=20 >> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default/ = <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default/> >>=20 >> There are also htmlized versions available at: >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05 >> = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05= >>=20 >> A diff from the previous version is available at: >> = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05 >>=20 >>=20 >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission >> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >>=20 >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> netmod mailing list >> netmod@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod --Apple-Mail=_C70A3BD2-8105-40B4-AC97-2174CFB6C60E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dus-ascii"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><br = class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div = class=3D"">On Nov 1, 2019, at 08:21, Kent Watsen <<a = href=3D"mailto:kent+ietf@watsen.net" = class=3D"">kent+ietf@watsen.net</a>> wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta = http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii" = class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: = space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><div class=3D""><span = style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; = font-size: 13px;" class=3D""><br class=3D""></span></div><span = style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; = font-size: 13px;" class=3D"">This begins a two-week Working Group Last = Call (WGLC) on draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05.  The WGLC ends = on Nov 15 (two days before the NETMOD 106 session).  Please send = your comments to the working group mailing list.</span><br = style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; = font-size: 13px;" class=3D""><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); = font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px;" class=3D""><span = style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; = font-size: 13px;" class=3D"">Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed = this document and believe it is ready for publication", are welcome! =  This is useful and important, even from authors.  Objections, = concerns, and suggestions are also welcomed at this time.</span><br = style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; = font-size: 13px;" class=3D""></div></div></blockquote><div><br = class=3D""></div>No chair hat. </div><div><br class=3D""></div><div>I= support moving this document along at this point. kent had a great set = of edits which should be applied. but it otherwise is ready to = go.</div><div><br class=3D""></div><div>joel<br class=3D""><div><br = class=3D""></div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div = class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: = space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><span = style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; = font-size: 13px;" class=3D"">Thank you,</span><br style=3D"caret-color: = rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px;" = class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: = Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px;" class=3D"">NETMOD Chairs</span><br = style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; = font-size: 13px;" class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br = style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; = font-size: 13px;" class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote = type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Nov 1, 2019, at 1:59 AM, <a = href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org" = class=3D"">internet-drafts@ietf.org</a> wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><br = class=3D"">A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line = Internet-Drafts directories.<br class=3D"">This draft is a work item of = the Network Modeling WG of the IETF.<br class=3D""><br class=3D""> =        Title =           : Factory = Default Setting<br class=3D""> =        Authors =         : Qin Wu<br class=3D""> =             &n= bsp;           &nbs= p;Balazs Lengyel<br class=3D""> =             &n= bsp;           &nbs= p;Ye Niu<br class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" = style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>Filename =        : = draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05.txt<br class=3D""><span = class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>Pages =           : 11<br = class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> = </span>Date =            : = 2019-10-31<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Abstract:<br class=3D""> =   This document defines a method to reset a server to its = factory-<br class=3D"">   default content.  The reset = operation may be used e.g. during initial<br class=3D""> =   zero-touch configuration or when the existing configuration = has major<br class=3D"">   errors, so re-starting the = configuration process from scratch is the<br class=3D""> =   best option.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">   A new = factory-reset RPC is defined.  Several methods of documenting<br = class=3D"">   the factory-default content are specified.<br = class=3D""><br class=3D"">   Optionally a new = "factory-default" read-only datastore is defined,<br class=3D""> =   that contains the data that will be copied over to the = running<br class=3D"">   datastore at reset.<br class=3D""><br = class=3D""><br class=3D"">The IETF datatracker status page for this = draft is:<br class=3D""><a = href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default= /" = class=3D"">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-factory-defa= ult/</a><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">There are also htmlized versions = available at:<br class=3D""><a = href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05" = class=3D"">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-0= 5</a><br = class=3D"">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-factory= -default-05<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">A diff from the previous = version is available at:<br = class=3D"">https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-netmod-factory-d= efault-05<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Please note that = it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission<br = class=3D"">until the htmlized version and diff are available at = tools.ietf.org.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Internet-Drafts are also = available by anonymous FTP at:<br = class=3D"">ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/<br class=3D""><br = class=3D"">_______________________________________________<br = class=3D"">netmod mailing list<br class=3D"">netmod@ietf.org<br = class=3D"">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod<br = class=3D""></div></div></blockquote></div><br = class=3D""></div>_______________________________________________<br = class=3D"">netmod mailing list<br class=3D""><a = href=3D"mailto:netmod@ietf.org" class=3D"">netmod@ietf.org</a><br = class=3D"">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod<br = class=3D""></div></blockquote></div><br class=3D""></body></html>= --Apple-Mail=_C70A3BD2-8105-40B4-AC97-2174CFB6C60E-- From nobody Mon Nov 11 08:56:45 2019 Return-Path: <janl@tail-f.com> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDA0A120A08; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 08:56:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MRRReON83m69; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 08:56:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D662120A0E; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 08:56:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.147.40.185] (unknown [173.38.220.39]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 03F5F1AE018B; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 17:56:25 +0100 (CET) From: Jan Lindblad <janl@tail-f.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Message-Id: <E97E9B42-B424-4DEE-8DD1-6080C0CC6DA2@tail-f.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 17:56:24 +0100 Cc: YANG Doctors <yang-doctors@ietf.org>, i2nsf@ietf.org, draft-ietf-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm.all@ietf.org To: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/4DKRGTgrQFrxWRVyIFCoM_UAHw8> Subject: [netmod] I2NSF's use of NACM X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list <netmod.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/netmod/> List-Post: <mailto:netmod@ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 16:56:32 -0000 Dear NETMOD WG, I have just completed my YD LC review of = draft-ietf-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-07. The module authors = propose a management access control model that builds on NACM concepts, = but adds functionality that may be controversial. I would therefore like = to give this heads up to all interested in NACM related topics to = participate in the LC discussion for this module. Very briefly, this is what is proposed: The module is about managing enterprise security equipment on a service = model level, i.e. policies are configured and an orchestrator will have = to figure out how to translate this into security device level changes. = This service module has a list of policies, each of which contains a = list of rules, that would be configured by different roles in the = enterprise. For this purpose, each rule has a leaf-list of owners (leafrefs to the = NACM groups). The intent is that the orchestrator should translate any = changes of these owner leafs into specific NACM rules, so that only the = owners (members of the listed NACM groups) are able to update the rule. Placing the ownership information inside the tree structure being = controlled has certain usability advantages, and the simplicity of this = leaf-list owners is stark in contrast with the collection of NACM rules = it would correspond to. On the other hand, it may not make much sense = for the orchestrator to allow controlling NACM rules over both the i2nsf = owner leafs and NACM lists. What gives? Best Regards, /jan From nobody Tue Nov 12 10:20:10 2019 Return-Path: <0100016e60d7d37e-1c626a76-627c-4b43-8718-4c68dd90ef0a-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB3CD1209FE for <netmod@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 12 Nov 2019 10:20:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MV0t8vIQCUDA for <netmod@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 12 Nov 2019 10:20:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from a8-32.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a8-32.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.8.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C4031209EF for <netmod@ietf.org>; Tue, 12 Nov 2019 10:20:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=6gbrjpgwjskckoa6a5zn6fwqkn67xbtw; d=amazonses.com; t=1573582787; h=From:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Cc:To:Feedback-ID; bh=PjROePUYAE9AyJfeKtYFjFyztdMJiUNGIGyxkkFJKpo=; b=FKLK5NiyYtZa5aJv7oNJuTX7Xmta1A0jjTurA8b3cXW/2QI+gaOkJ+XcGmkz5pA8 vPuNDFDzwftRkV8dcCf/ceLF8gRoq8di8+uSvf/e6uo7tcydc5oBy8Ia2F2LZAITye/ EyjcGfn9klCHOW0YecMG466QXzet1HwX1TpC1YLI= From: Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@watsen.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_FAC0BE13-5345-432C-B9AF-57302FFFA6CC" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Message-ID: <0100016e60d7d37e-1c626a76-627c-4b43-8718-4c68dd90ef0a-000000@email.amazonses.com> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 18:19:47 +0000 Cc: "netmod@ietf.org" <netmod@ietf.org> To: Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.com>, =?utf-8?Q?Bal=C3=A1zs_Lengyel?= <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>, Ye Niu <niuye@huawei.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2019.11.12-54.240.8.32 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/gyhsCTz9NqIHx87XGplShG0CrX4> Subject: [netmod] IPR poll on draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list <netmod.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/netmod/> List-Post: <mailto:netmod@ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 18:20:09 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_FAC0BE13-5345-432C-B9AF-57302FFFA6CC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To each author and contributor listed on the "To" line. 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color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: = Helvetica-Light;" class=3D"">If you are on the WG email list or attend = WG meetings but are not listed as an author</span><br class=3D"" = style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: = Helvetica-Light;"><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: = rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica-Light;" class=3D"">or contributor, = we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules = which</span><br class=3D"" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: = rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica-Light;"><span style=3D"caret-color: = rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica-Light;" = class=3D"">encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of = others on an IETF</span><br class=3D"" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, = 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica-Light;"><span = style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: = Helvetica-Light;" class=3D"">contribution, or to refrain from = participating in any contribution or discussion related</span><br = class=3D"" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); = font-family: Helvetica-Light;"><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); = color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica-Light;" class=3D"">to your = undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed = above</span><br class=3D"" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: = rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica-Light;"><span style=3D"caret-color: = rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica-Light;" = class=3D"">and </span><a = href=3D"http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProper= ty" class=3D"" style=3D"font-family: = Helvetica-Light;">http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/Intellec= tualProperty</a><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, = 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica-Light;" class=3D"">.</span><br class=3D"" = style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: = Helvetica-Light;"><br class=3D"" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); = color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica-Light;"><br class=3D"" = style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: = Helvetica-Light;"><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: = rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica-Light;" class=3D"">Kent // = as </span><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Helvetica-Light" = class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" = class=3D"">Shepherd</span></font></body></html>= --Apple-Mail=_FAC0BE13-5345-432C-B9AF-57302FFFA6CC-- From nobody Tue Nov 12 17:15:16 2019 Return-Path: <bill.wu@huawei.com> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F5971200F7 for <netmod@ietfa.amsl.com>; 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margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {mso-style-priority:99; color:purple; text-decoration:underline;} span.EmailStyle17 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D;} .MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only; font-size:10.0pt;} @page WordSection1 {size:612.0pt 792.0pt; margin:72.0pt 90.0pt 72.0pt 90.0pt;} div.WordSection1 {page:WordSection1;} --></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapedefaults v:ext=3D"edit" spidmax=3D"1026" /> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapelayout v:ext=3D"edit"> <o:idmap v:ext=3D"edit" data=3D"1" /> </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--> </head> <body lang=3D"ZH-CN" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"> <div class=3D"WordSection1"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-= family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Hi, Kent:<o:p></o:p></= span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-= family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I am not aware any IPR= related to this document.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-= family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Is this second IPR pol= l for WGLC.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-= family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">And I believe IPR poll= for adoption call has been completed, see the following link:<o:p></o:p></= span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-= family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">https://mailarchive.ie= tf.org/arch/browse/netmod/?q=3Ddraft-wu-netmod-factory-default<o:p></o:p></= span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-= family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">https://mailarchive.ie= tf.org/arch/msg/netmod/7GJQuuZ-pWSlCBkgLyMiGymeCb8<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-= family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></spa= n></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-= family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">-Qin<o:p></o:p></span>= </p> <div> <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm = 0cm 0cm"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"= ;=CE=A2=C8=ED=D1=C5=BA=DA",sans-serif">=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB<span lang=3D= "EN-US">:</span></span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;f= ont-family:"=CE=A2=C8=ED=D1=C5=BA=DA",sans-serif"> Kent Watsen [m= ailto:kent+ietf@watsen.net] <br> </span><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"=CE=A2=C8=ED=D1= =C5=BA=DA",sans-serif">=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4<span lang=3D"EN-US">:<= /span></span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family= :"=CE=A2=C8=ED=D1=C5=BA=DA",sans-serif"> 2019</span><span style= =3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"=CE=A2=C8=ED=D1=C5=BA=DA",sans-= serif">=C4=EA<span lang=3D"EN-US">11</span>=D4=C2<span lang=3D"EN-US">13</s= pan>=C8=D5<span lang=3D"EN-US"> 2:20<br> </span><b>=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></b><span lang=3D"= EN-US"> Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.com>; Bal</span>=A8=A2<span lang=3D"EN= -US">zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>; Niuye <niuye@huawei= .com><br> </span><b>=B3=AD=CB=CD<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"= > netmod@ietf.org<br> </span><b>=D6=F7=CC=E2<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"= > IPR poll on draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default<o:p></o:p></span></span></p= > </div> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:"Helv= etica-Light",serif;color:black">To each author and contributor listed = on the "To" line.<br> <br> In order to complete the Adoption poll, are you aware of any IPR that appli= es<br> to draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default?  Please Reply-All to *this*= email and state either:<br> <br> "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"<br> or<br> "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"<br> <br> If "yes", has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR= rules<br> (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)?<br> <br> If "yes" again, please state either:<br> <br> "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules&quo= t;<br> or<br> "No, the IPR has not been disclosed"<br> <br> If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropria= te.<br> <br> If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the abo= ve by<br> responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any = relevant<br> IPR.  This document will not advance to the next stage until a respons= e has been<br> received from each author and listed contributor.  NOTE: THIS APPLIES = TO ALL<br> OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES.<br> <br> If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as= an author<br> or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules = which<br> encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an I= ETF<br> contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or discu= ssion related<br> to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed a= bove<br> and </span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"http://trac.tools.ietf.org/= group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty"><span style=3D"font-family:"= ;Helvetica-Light",serif">http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wi= ki/IntellectualProperty</span></a></span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font= -family:"Helvetica-Light",serif;color:black">.<br> <br> <br> Kent // as Shepherd</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </body> </html> --_000_B8F9A780D330094D99AF023C5877DABAA94180DBdggeml511mbxchi_-- From nobody Tue Nov 12 19:21:56 2019 Return-Path: <bill.wu@huawei.com> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FB55120047; Tue, 12 Nov 2019 19:21:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 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class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color= :#1F497D">Thanks Rob, the proposed changes and polishing make sense to me. = Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color= :#1F497D">Regarding the question on 11, I think it is unlikely we should ch= ange the content of read only datastore, currently there are no standard wa= y to do this.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color= :#1F497D">But it doesn=A1=AFt prevent dedicated operation is defined in the= future or proprietary partial solution already. Hope this clarifies.<o:p><= /o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color= :#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color= :#1F497D">-Qin<o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm = 0cm 0cm"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-family:"=CE=A2=C8=ED=D1= =C5=BA=DA",sans-serif">=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span>= </span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:"=CE=A2=C8=ED=D1= =C5=BA=DA",sans-serif"> Rob Wilton (rwilton) [mailto:rwilton@cisco.com= ] <br> </span><b><span style=3D"font-family:"=CE=A2=C8=ED=D1=C5=BA=DA",s= ans-serif">=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></span></b>= <span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:"=CE=A2=C8=ED=D1=C5=BA=DA&qu= ot;,sans-serif"> 2019</span><span style=3D"font-family:"=CE=A2=C8=ED= =D1=C5=BA=DA",sans-serif">=C4=EA<span lang=3D"EN-US">11</span>=D4=C2<s= pan lang=3D"EN-US">11</span>=C8=D5<span lang=3D"EN-US"> 19:58<br> </span><b>=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></b><span lang=3D"= EN-US"> Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@watsen.net>; netmod@ietf.org; draf= t-ietf-netmod-factory-default@ietf.org<br> </span><b>=D6=F7=CC=E2<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"= > RE: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05.txt<o:p></o= :p></span></span></p> </div> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E= N-US">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E= N-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E= N-US">I=A1=AFve reviewed draft -06 and have the following LC comments.<o:p>= </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E= N-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E= N-US">Section 1, in Introduction (probably the abstract could be similarly = tweaked):<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E= N-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"1" type=3D"1"> <li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span lang=3D"EN-= GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Suggest changing =A1=B0=A1=AD majo= r errors, so re-starting =A1=AD=A1=B1 to =A1=B0=A1=AD major errors and so r= estarting =A1=AD=A1=B1.  This could also be fixed in the abstract.<o:p= ></o:p></span></li></ol> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E= N-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"2" type=3D"1"> <li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span lang=3D"EN-= GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Suggest deleting the sentence =A1= =B0When resetting a datastore all previous configuration settings will be l= ost and replaced by the<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E= N-US">   factory-default content=A1=B1.  I think that this c= an covered further in the document, and doesn=A1=AFt need to be stated in t= he introduction.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E= N-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"3" type=3D"1"> <li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span lang=3D"EN-= GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Suggest changing =A1=B0A new facto= ry-reset RPC=A1=B1 to =A1=B0A factory-reset RPC=A1=B1<o:p></o:p></span></li= ></ol> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E= N-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"4" type=3D"1"> <li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span lang=3D"EN-= GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regarding =A1=B0Optionally a new &= quot;factory-default" read-only datastore is defined, that contains th= e data that will be copied over to all read-write configuration datastores at reset=A1=B1.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol> <p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-lan= guage:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-lan= guage:EN-US">I suggest changing =A1=B0read-write configuration datastores= =A1=B1 to =A1=B0read-write conventional configuration datastores=A1=B1, and= import =A1=B0conventional configuration datastore=A1=B1 from RFC 8342.&nbs= p; Also, I think that section 3 should be updated to indicate that the datast= ore is OPTIONAL to implement.  Hence proposed replacement text:<o:p></= o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-lan= guage:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-lan= guage:EN-US">=A1=B0A "factory-default" read-only datastore is def= ined, that contains the data to replace the contents of implemented read-wr= ite conventional configuration datastores when reset.=A1=B1<o:p></o:p></spa= n></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E= N-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"5" type=3D"1"> <li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span lang=3D"EN-= GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I=A1=AFm not sure that the paragra= ph about the <delete> operation (presumably this should be <delete= -config>) is required at all.  If you do want to retain it, then I would suggest condensing it from:<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E= N-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E= N-US">=A1=B0   NETCONF defines the <delete> operation that = allows resetting the<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E= N-US">  <startup> datastore and the <discard-changes>= operation that copies<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E= N-US">   the content of the <running> datastore into the &l= t;candidate><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E= N-US">   datastore.  However it is not possible to reset the= running<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E= N-US">   datastore, to reset the candidate datastore without chan= ging the<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E= N-US">   running datastore or to reset any dynamic datastore.<o:p= ></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E= N-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E= N-US">   A RESTCONF server MAY implement the above NETCONF operat= ions, but<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E= N-US">   that would still not allow it to reset the running confi= guration.=A1=B1<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E= N-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E= N-US">to <o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E= N-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E= N-US">=A1=B0NETCONF defines the <delete-config> RPC operation,  = but that only acts on the <startup-datastore>, whereas the <factor= y-reset> RPC operation can perform additional changes to the device to fully reset the device back to a factory-default state.=A1=B1<o:p></o:p= ></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E= N-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E= N-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E= N-US">Section 1.1, Terminology, <o:p></o:p></span></p> <ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"6" type=3D"1"> <li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span lang=3D"EN-= GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">  =A1=B0candiate =3D>= candidate=A1=B1.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E= N-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"7" type=3D"1"> <li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span lang=3D"EN-= GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">=A1=B0factory-default datastore=A1= =B1, I think that this should be defined as a =A1=B0A read-only configurati= on datastore =A1=AD=A1=B1<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E= N-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E= N-US">Section 2. Factory-Reset RPC:<o:p></o:p></span></p> <ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"8" type=3D"1"> <li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span lang=3D"EN-= GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I think that this could be more pr= escriptive about how the datastores are reset:<o:p></o:p></span> <ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"1" type=3D"a"> <li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1"><span lang=3D"EN-= GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">All supported conventional read-wr= ite configuration datastores (i.e. <running>, <startup>, and &l= t;candidate>) are all reset to the contents of <factory-default>,<= o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l0 level2 l= fo1"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Read-only da= tastores receive their content from other datastores, e.g., <intended>= ; is updated due to the config changes to <running>,<o:p></o:p></span= ></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1"><span lang= =3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">All data in any ephemeral d= atastores MUST be discarded,<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" = style=3D"mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast= -language:EN-US">The contents of the <operational> datastore MUST be = reset back to an appropriate factory-default state,.<o:p></o:p></span></li>= </ol> </li></ol> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E= N-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"9" type=3D"1"> <li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span lang=3D"EN-= GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I agree with Andy about deleting t= he text on how the factory-default contents is defined.<o:p></o:p></span></= li></ol> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E= N-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E= N-US">Section 3, Factory-Default Datastore<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E= N-US">  =A1=B0Management operations=A1=B1:<o:p></o:p></span></p> <ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"10" type=3D"1"> <li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span lang=3D"EN-= GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Should indicate that the datastore= is OPTIONAL to implement.  A device MAY only implement the <factor= y-reset> RPC without implementing the datastore, thus loosing the ability to see what configuration the device would be res= et back to.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol> <p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-lan= guage:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"11" type=3D"1"> <li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span lang=3D"EN-= GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">It is unclear what a =A1=B0special= ized, dedicated operation=A1=B1 is.  Does this mean an NETCONF/RESTCON= F RPC, or something outside of YANG management protocols altogether?  Perhaps change this to =A1=B0dedicated RPC operation=A1= =B1<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E= N-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"12" type=3D"1"> <li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span lang=3D"EN-= GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Suggest changing =A1=B0The content= s of the datastore can be read using NETCONF <get-data> and <get-c= onfig> operations, and the RESTCONF protocol equivalents. to =A1=B0The datastore can be read using the standard NETCONF/RESTCONF pro= tocol operations.=A1=B1<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol> <p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-lan= guage:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"13" type=3D"1"> <li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span lang=3D"EN-= GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Suggest changing =A1=B0The operati= on <factory- reset>=A1=B1 to =A1=B0The <factory-reset> RPC oper= ation=A1=B1.  Perhaps also import the =A1=B0RPC operation=A1=B1 defini= tion from RFC 7950?<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E= N-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"14" type=3D"1"> <li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span lang=3D"EN-= GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">=A1=B0 On devices that support non= -volatile storage, the contents of <factory > MUST persist across res= tarts.=A1=B1<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol> <p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-lan= guage:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-lan= guage:EN-US">The factory-default datastore is only useful if persists acros= s restarts, so I would change this statement to: =A1=B0The contents of <= factory-default> MUST persist across device restarts.=A1=B1<o:p></o:p></= span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E= N-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E= N-US">Section 4: YANG Module<o:p></o:p></span></p> <ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"15" type=3D"1"> <li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span lang=3D"EN-= GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Please add references to the impor= t statements.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-li= st:l0 level1 lfo1"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US= ">Remove reference to <get-config> in the description, and realign th= e description text.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"= mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language= :EN-US">Change feature name from =A1=B0factory-default-as-datastore=A1=B1 t= o =A1=B0factory-default-datastore=A1=B1<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"= MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"= mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Please expand on the description associated wit= h the =A1=B0factory-reset=A1=B1 RPC since it can be impact other datastores= and file contents, or reference back to the appropriate section of the RPC.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"= MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"= mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Change description of =A1=B0factory-default=A1= =B1 identity to =A1=B0This read-only datastore contains the configuration d= ata used to replace the contents ofthe read-write conventional configuration datastores during a factory-reset RPC operation= .=A1=B1<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E= N-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E= N-US">Appendix A:<o:p></o:p></span></p> <ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"20" type=3D"1"> <li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span lang=3D"EN-= GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I wasn=A1=AFt sure that this secti= on is required at all.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E= N-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E= N-US">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E= N-US">Rob<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E= N-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E= N-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm = 4.0pt"> <div> <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm = 0cm 0cm"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang= =3D"EN-US"> netmod <<a href=3D"mailto:netmod-bounces@ietf.org">netmod-bo= unces@ietf.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kent Watsen<br> <b>Sent:</b> 01 November 2019 15:22<br> <b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:netmod@ietf.org">netmod@ietf.org</a><br> <b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default@ietf.org">dr= aft-ietf-netmod-factory-default@ietf.org</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-= 05.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">= <o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" = style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Menlo-Regular",serif;color= :black">This begins a two-week Working Group Last Call (WGLC) on draft-ietf= -netmod-factory-default-05.  The WGLC ends on Nov 15 (two days before the NETMOD 106 session).  Please send your commen= ts to the working group mailing list.<br> <br> Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and believe it i= s ready for publication", are welcome!  This is useful and import= ant, even from authors.  Objections, concerns, and suggestions are als= o welcomed at this time.<br> <br> Thank you,<br> NETMOD Chairs<br> </span><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><br> <br> <o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">= <o:p> </o:p></span></p> <blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">On Nov 1, 2019, at 1:59 AM, <a = href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org"> internet-drafts@ietf.org</a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><br> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.<br> This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF.<br> <br>        Title     &nb= sp;     : Factory Default Setting<br>        Authors     &= nbsp;   : Qin Wu<br>             &nb= sp;            = Balazs Lengyel<br>             &nb= sp;            = Ye Niu<br> <span class=3D"apple-tab-span">       &n= bsp;     </span>Filename      =   : draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05.txt<br> <span class=3D"apple-tab-span">       &n= bsp;     </span>Pages      &nb= sp;    : 11<br> <span class=3D"apple-tab-span">       &n= bsp;     </span>Date      &nbs= p;     : 2019-10-31<br> <br> Abstract:<br>   This document defines a method to reset a server to its factory= -<br>   default content.  The reset operation may be used e.g. dur= ing initial<br>   zero-touch configuration or when the existing configuration has= major<br>   errors, so re-starting the configuration process from scratch i= s the<br>   best option.<br> <br>   A new factory-reset RPC is defined.  Several methods of do= cumenting<br>   the factory-default content are specified.<br> <br>   Optionally a new "factory-default" read-only datastor= e is defined,<br>   that contains the data that will be copied over to the running<= br>   datastore at reset.<br> <br> <br> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:<br> <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-factory-defau= lt/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default/</a= ><br> <br> There are also htmlized versions available at:<br> <a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05= ">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05</a><br> <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-factory-= default-05">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-factory= -default-05</a><br> <br> A diff from the previous version is available at:<br> <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-netmod-factory-de= fault-05">https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-netmod-factory-def= ault-05</a><br> <br> <br> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n<br> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.<br> <br> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:<br> <a href=3D"ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/">ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet= -drafts/</a><br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> netmod mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:netmod@ietf.org">netmod@ietf.org</a><br> <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod">https://www.ietf.o= rg/mailman/listinfo/netmod</a><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span 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list <netmod.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/netmod/> List-Post: <mailto:netmod@ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 17:10:58 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_2B4DF29B-929A-497D-980D-D4FAD5D5730B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii [minus the "last-call" and "yang-doctor" lists] Thank you Acee and Balazs! NETMOD will start the WGLC and the IPR call on -05 once it's been = uploaded. Kent // as shepherd > On Nov 15, 2019, at 5:26 AM, Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com> = wrote: >=20 > Hi Balazs,=20 > I think this satisfies all my comments. Please upload the -05 version = and I will complete the YANG doctors review. > Thanks, > Acee --Apple-Mail=_2B4DF29B-929A-497D-980D-D4FAD5D5730B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dus-ascii"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><div = class=3D"">[minus the "last-call" and "yang-doctor" lists]</div><div = class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>Thank= you Acee and Balazs!<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div = class=3D"">NETMOD will start the WGLC and the IPR call on -05 once it's = been uploaded.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div = class=3D"">Kent // as shepherd</div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div = class=3D"">On Nov 15, 2019, at 5:26 AM, Acee Lindem (acee) <<a = href=3D"mailto:acee@cisco.com" class=3D"">acee@cisco.com</a>> = wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div = class=3D"">Hi Balazs, <br class=3D"">I think this satisfies all my = comments. Please upload the -05 version and I will complete the YANG = doctors review.<br class=3D"">Thanks,<br class=3D"">Acee<br = class=3D""></div></div></blockquote></div><br = class=3D""></div></body></html>= --Apple-Mail=_2B4DF29B-929A-497D-980D-D4FAD5D5730B-- From nobody Fri Nov 15 13:16:05 2019 Return-Path: <0100016e70ec38fe-2f53c66a-0510-4dd6-841a-d41e15227814-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BF38120827; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 13:16:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t_qhZxPOow92; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 13:16:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from a8-88.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a8-88.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.8.88]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B11A0120251; Fri, 15 Nov 2019 13:16:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=6gbrjpgwjskckoa6a5zn6fwqkn67xbtw; d=amazonses.com; t=1573852560; h=From:Message-Id:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:References:Feedback-ID; bh=8oM83IGBIKWtBm/mKD+jaLWeAfyJ0jJfYIDgg5ibdeg=; b=m45hW+YW7SbKgIya7YxU6pCzJ/1b4NxGAJPzyLGKYK+1oP/C4LEPuFj2RWPXgIuW fPoFN6iC3KEj1UscJBP/b3nqxrPsghklmGpbdLPFolxGKoGps5FWX9ObMSxNkMS1eNW 5iGlOu3IUefW7VK08QCKj17Dg8leP4YfnNCzS3xs= From: Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@watsen.net> Message-ID: <0100016e70ec38fe-2f53c66a-0510-4dd6-841a-d41e15227814-000000@email.amazonses.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_4F00A4A2-E922-449A-B4FF-96A23C21C79D" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 21:16:00 +0000 In-Reply-To: <0100016e27785ce1-6ade1cd2-78fc-40ee-bb4d-f7c4b685e3d3-000000@email.amazonses.com> Cc: draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default@ietf.org To: "netmod@ietf.org" <netmod@ietf.org> References: <0100016e27785ce1-6ade1cd2-78fc-40ee-bb4d-f7c4b685e3d3-000000@email.amazonses.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2019.11.15-54.240.8.88 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/05c40Rfr4o9mAyuq6hP4bxsQLMY> Subject: Re: [netmod] [netconf] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list <netmod.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/netmod/> List-Post: <mailto:netmod@ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 21:16:04 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_4F00A4A2-E922-449A-B4FF-96A23C21C79D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Today ends the two-week Last Call, which passed. Thank you everyone who = participated. =20 Qin, I'll start the shepherd writeup after -07 has been posted = addressing the Last Call comments. Kent // shepherd=20 > On Nov 1, 2019, at 10:57 AM, Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@watsen.net> wrote: >=20 > This begins a two-week Working Group Last Call (WGLC) on = draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05. The WGLC ends on Nov 15 (two days = before the NETMOD 106 session). Please send your comments to the = working group mailing list. >=20 > Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and believe it = is ready for publication", are welcome! This is useful and important, = even from authors. Objections, concerns, and suggestions are also = welcomed at this time. >=20 > Thank you, > NETMOD Chairs --Apple-Mail=_4F00A4A2-E922-449A-B4FF-96A23C21C79D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dus-ascii"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><div = class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>Today ends the two-week Last Call, which = passed.  Thank you everyone who participated.  <div = class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Qin, I'll start the = shepherd writeup after -07 has been posted addressing the Last Call = comments.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Kent // = shepherd </div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div = class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" = class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Nov 1, 2019, at 10:57 AM, Kent Watsen = 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See below BALAZS2.=20 =20 From: Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com>=20 Sent: 2019. november 7., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 7:15 To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com> Cc: Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com>; NetMod WG <netmod@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [netmod] comments on = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04 =20 On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 5:06 AM Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com = <mailto:mbj@tail-f.com> > wrote: o leaf-list module The type of this leaf-list is a string with: pattern '.+@\d{4}-\d{2}-\d{2}\.yang'; I think the revision needs to be optional, and the suffix ".yang" dropped, since it doesn't add any value: pattern '.+(@\d{4}-\d{2}-\d{2})?'; (same for inline-spec). =20 IMO the filespec SHOULD follow the pattern in = https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-5.2 BALAZS: It does follow the pattern except that I made the revision date = mandatory. It is needed to properly understand the instance data. =20 =20 The representation (.yang vs .yin) is not relevant here. Revision statements are optional in a YANG module, so what fake date = string do you use if the module has no revision? Seems prudent to make the = date-string optional in the filename. =20 =20 BALAZS2: OK, date mandatory only if present in the yang module, = otherwise absent. I will add .yin as an alternative. I would like to keep the \.((yang)|(yin)) part in the pattern as=20 <mailto:ietf-yang-type@2015-12-07.yang> ietf-yang-type@2015-12-07.yang looks more familiar than just ietf-yang-types@2019-12-07 =20 +1, except not in favor of so many ways to specify schema. That means the file reader MUST support all of them. =20 BALAZS: All 3 formats have been explicitly requested by earlier = commenters. I see a rational for each: Simplified-inline: it is simple and usually enough Inline: if you need to specify not just the modules but also the = supported features and deviations you need this full format Uri: if you don=E2=80=99t really want to specify the content-schema in = detail, e.g., because you are generating many files with the same = schema, all you need is reference that identifies the content-schema =20 Which one would you like to implementing? Maybe we could make the inline = method optional with a feature (feature if-feature), =20 =20 I will just deviate out the stuff not worth implementing. ;-) I prefer the schema-uri approach but simplified-inline is probably = easiest to implement. =20 The schema-uri looks standard but the contents of the referenced YANG = instance file can be anything (as opposed to a pre-defined YANG template like /yang-library). =20 The inline-content-schema object looks broken because a YANG file is a = text string. How does one use anydata to encode a text string? (It must be a = container of YANG data nodes). Even the YIN representation is not a set of YANG data nodes, so anydata = encoding seems wrong. Including all the YANG modules in this file seems especially = heavyweight. (I have no intention of supporting this mode.) BALAZS2: This does not contain the YANG files themselves, rather = something like instance data for the ietf-yang-library. So it is anydata. Sometimes specifying deviations and supported features may be needed. = Also Jurgen wanted a flexible solution. 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See below = BALAZS2. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> = Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> 2019. november = 7., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 7:15<br><b>To:</b> Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com><br><b>Cc:</b> Martin Bjorklund = <mbj@tail-f.com>; NetMod WG = <netmod@ietf.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [netmod] comments on = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04<o:p></o:p></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><blockquote = style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm = 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><div><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Thu, Oct = 10, 2019 at 5:06 AM Martin Bjorklund <<a = href=3D"mailto:mbj@tail-f.com" target=3D"_blank">mbj@tail-f.com</a>> = wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote = style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm = 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5= .0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:11.4pt'= ><br>  o  leaf-list module<br><br>    The type of = this leaf-list is a string with:<br><br>      pattern = '.+@\d{4}-\d{2}-\d{2}\.yang';<br><br>    I think the revision = needs to be optional, and the suffix ".yang"<br>    = dropped, since it doesn't add any value:<br><br>      = pattern '.+(@\d{4}-\d{2}-\d{2})?';<br><br>   (same for = inline-spec).<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><= /o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>IMO the = filespec SHOULD follow the pattern in  <a = href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-5.2" = target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-5.2</a><o:p= ></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>BALAZS: It = does follow the pattern except that I made the revision date mandatory. = It is needed to properly understand the instance = data.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><= /o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>The representation (.yang vs .yin) is not relevant = here.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Revision statements = are optional in a YANG module, so what fake date string do = you<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>use if the module has = no revision?  Seems prudent to make the date-string optional in the = filename.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#C55A11;mso-style-te= xtfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'>BALAZS2: OK, date mandatory only =C2=A0if = present in the yang module, otherwise absent. I will add .yin as an = alternative.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#C55A11;mso-style-te= xtfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'>I would like to keep the \.((yang)|(yin)) part = in the pattern as <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#C55A11;mso-style-te= xtfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'><a = href=3D"mailto:ietf-yang-type@2015-12-07.yang"><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#C55A11;mso-style-te= xtfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'>ietf-yang-type@2015-12-07.yang</span></a><o:p><= /o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#C55A11;mso-style-te= xtfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'>looks more familiar than = just<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#C55A11;mso-style-te= xtfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'>ietf-yang-types@2019-12-07<o:p></o:p></span></p= ></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><blockquote = style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm = 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><div><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>+1, except = not in favor of so many ways to specify = schema.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>That means = the file reader MUST support all of them.<o:p></o:p></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><= /o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>BALAZS: All = 3 formats have been explicitly requested by earlier commenters. I see a = rational for each:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Simplified-i= nline: it is simple and usually enough<o:p></o:p></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Inline: if = you need to specify not just the modules but also the supported features = and deviations you need this full format<o:p></o:p></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Uri: if you = don=E2=80=99t really want to specify the content-schema in detail, e.g., = because you are generating many files with the same schema, all you need = is reference that identifies the content-schema<o:p></o:p></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><= /o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Which one = would you like to implementing? Maybe we could make the inline method = optional with a feature (feature = if-feature),<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><= /o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I = will just deviate out the stuff not worth implementing. = ;-)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I prefer the = schema-uri approach but simplified-inline is probably easiest to = implement.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>The schema-uri looks standard but the contents of the = referenced YANG instance file can be<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>anything (as opposed to a pre-defined YANG template = like /yang-library).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>The inline-content-schema object looks broken because = a YANG file is a text string.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>How does one use anydata to encode a text string? (It = must be a container of YANG data nodes).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>Even the YIN representation is not a set of YANG data = nodes, so anydata encoding seems wrong.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>Including all the YANG modules in this file seems = especially heavyweight.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>(I = have no intention of supporting this mode.)<o:p></o:p></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#C55A11;mso-style-te= xtfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'>BALAZS2: This does not contain the YANG files = themselves, rather something like instance data for the = ietf-yang-library.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#C55A11;mso-style-te= xtfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'>So it is anydata.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#C55A11;mso-style-te= xtfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'>Sometimes specifying deviations and supported = features may be needed. Also Jurgen wanted a flexible = solution.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#C55A11;mso-style-te= xtfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'>As a private comment: you may deviate it out = (I can=E2=80=99t say this officialy :-)=C2=A0 = )<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote = style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm = 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><div><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Andy<o:p></o= :p></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>Andy<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote = style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0297_01D59D87.D5052E50" ------=_NextPart_001_0297_01D59D87.D5052E50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable See below, BALAZS =20 From: Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com>=20 Sent: 2019. november 7., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 7:44 To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com> Cc: Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com>; NetMod WG <netmod@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [netmod] comments on = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04 =20 =20 IMO section 3 is too specific about the content within the content-data = node. The only requirement should be that it is valid XML or JSON according to the schema listed. All content should be identified, so if you include = or:origin attributes then ietf-origin MUST be in the schema list. It is a bad idea to force = tools to accept invalid XML (e.g., no xmlns for a prefix that is used. BALAZS: Don=E2=80=99t really agree. We intentionally allow the violation = of the schema (as described) - partial data set are allowed * It is allowed to only have config=3Dfalse data People requested to explicitly mention UTF-8 IMHO it is good to mention metadata/XML attributes as they are useful = and are not regulated by the schema =20 The text about the required file-name structure if timestamps are = present seems rather arbitrary. What if the tool generating the file is not = aware of specific YANG objects, so it does not know there are data nodes = representing timestamps? Why is this needed? The file contains revision and timestamp meta-data. =20 =20 If the leaf name is present in the instance data header this MUST be used. Revision-date MUST be set to the latest revision date inside the instance data set. =20 I do not understand the text above. IMO none of sec. 3 MUST requirements are needed. Looks like a lot of CLRs to me. BALAZS: To make it easier I will make the inclusion of date/timestamp = optional. =20 These are nearly the exact same rules we have for naming YANG files. Name+date Even for a YANG module we require that an internal data element, the = module=E2=80=99s argument must match the file name=E2=80=99s beginning. Even for a YANG module we recommend that an internal data element, the = revision=E2=80=99s argument must match the file name=E2=80=99s middle = part. Many people like it that the file=E2=80=99s name immediately tells you = what it is and what version. =20 =20 Hard to see what harm to the Internet is caused by a YID file that is named "incorrectly". Tools will create their own = file extensions, because lumping everything in with .xml or .json is shortsighted. Why does the = standard say SHALL use .xml or .json? Is this a general requirement for all XML or JSON = content? If not, then why is being added here? BALAZS: It was an earlier decision of the netmod group to use just = json/xml. I would like a more descriptive extension but was outvoted. =20 How does the tool that reads the YID file know what version of the YID = template is being used? (Or do you think this module is perfect, and will never be updated?) Seems like the very first leaf should be a "yid-version", similar to = "yang-version" in YANG. BALAZS: OK, I will add the yid-version. 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NetMod WG = <netmod@ietf.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [netmod] comments on = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04<o:p></o:p></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>IMO section 3 is too specific about the content within = the content-data node.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>The = only requirement should be that it is valid XML or JSON according = to<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>the schema = listed.  All content should be identified, so if you include = or:origin attributes<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>then = ietf-origin MUST be in the schema list.  It is a bad idea to = force tools to accept<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>invalid XML (e.g., no xmlns for a prefix that is = used.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'margin-left:18.0pt'><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#C55A11;mso-style-te= xtfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'>BALAZS: Don=E2=80=99t really agree. We = intentionally allow the violation of the schema (as described)<br>- = =C2=A0partial data set are allowed<o:p></o:p></span></p><ul = style=3D'margin-top:0cm' type=3Ddisc><li class=3DMsoListParagraph = style=3D'color:#ED7D31;margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#C55A11;mso-style-te= xtfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'><span style=3D'color:windowtext'>It is allowed = to only have config=3Dfalse data<o:p></o:p></span></span></li></ul><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#C55A11;mso-style-te= xtfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'>People requested to explicitly mention = UTF-8<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#C55A11;mso-style-te= xtfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'>IMHO it is good to mention metadata/XML = attributes as they are useful and are not regulated by the = schema<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>The text about the required file-name structure if = timestamps are present<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>seems rather arbitrary.  What if the tool = generating the file is not aware of<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>specific YANG objects, so it does not know there are = data nodes representing timestamps?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>Why is this needed? The file contains revision and = timestamp meta-data.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div = style=3D'mso-element:para-border-div;border:solid #CCCCCC = 1.0pt;padding:8.0pt 8.0pt 8.0pt 8.0pt;background:#FFFDF5'><pre = style=3D'margin-bottom:7.9pt;background:#FFFDF5;word-break:break-all;bord= er:none;padding:0cm;box-sizing:border-box;border-radius:4px;overflow:auto= '><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>=C2=A0=C2=A0 If the leaf = name is present in the instance data header this = MUST<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre = style=3D'margin-bottom:7.9pt;background:#FFFDF5;word-break:break-all;bord= er:none;padding:0cm'><span = style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 be = used.=C2=A0 Revision-date MUST be set to the latest revision = date<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre = style=3D'margin-bottom:7.9pt;background:#FFFDF5;word-break:break-all;bord= er:none;padding:0cm'><span = style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = inside the instance data set.<o:p></o:p></span></pre></div></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I = do not understand the text above.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>IMO none of sec. 3 MUST requirements are = needed.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Looks like a lot = of CLRs to me.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#C55A11;mso-style-te= xtfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'>BALAZS: To make it easier I will make the = inclusion of date/timestamp optional.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#C55A11;mso-style-te= xtfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#C55A11;mso-style-te= xtfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'>These are nearly the exact same rules we have = for naming YANG files.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#C55A11;mso-style-te= xtfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'>Name+date<o:p></o:p></span></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#C55A11;mso-style-te= xtfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'>Even for a YANG module we require that an = internal data element, the module=E2=80=99s argument must match the file = name=E2=80=99s beginning.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#C55A11;mso-style-te= xtfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'>Even for a YANG module we recommend that an = internal data element, the revision=E2=80=99s argument must match the = file name=E2=80=99s middle part.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#C55A11;mso-style-te= xtfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'>Many people like it that the file=E2=80=99s = name immediately tells you what it is and what = version.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#C55A11;mso-style-te= xtfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>Hard to see what harm to the Internet is = caused<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>by a YID file that = is named "incorrectly".  Tools will create their own file = extensions, because<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>lumping everything in with .xml or .json is = shortsighted. Why does the standard say = SHALL<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>use .xml or = .json?  Is this a general requirement for all XML or JSON = content?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>If not, then why = is being added here?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#C55A11;mso-style-te= xtfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'>BALAZS: It was an earlier decision of the = netmod group to use just json/xml. I would like a more descriptive = extension but was outvoted.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>How does the tool that reads the YID file know what = version of the YID template is being used?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>(Or do you think this module is perfect, and will = never be updated?)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Seems = like the very first leaf should be a "yid-version", similar to = "yang-version" in YANG.<o:p></o:p></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#C55A11;mso-style-te= xtfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'>BALAZS: =C2=A0OK, I will add the yid-version. = (Otherwise the module is perfect :-)=C2=A0 = )<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>Andy<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable See below BALAZS2. -----Original Message----- From: Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com>=20 Sent: 2019. november 7., cs=FCt=F6rt=F6k 16:08 To: Bal=E1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com> Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] comments on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04 Hi, > o leaf-list module > The type of this leaf-list is a string with: > pattern '.+@\d{4}-\d{2}-\d{2}\.yang'; > I think the revision needs to be optional, and the suffix ".yang" > dropped, since it doesn't add any value: > pattern '.+(@\d{4}-\d{2}-\d{2})?'; > (same for inline-spec). > BALAZS: I disagree, IMHO we need the revision date. We want to know=20 > the exact version the data was produced against. If the version would=20 > be unknown it might become very hard to understand whether the=20 > instance data is correct or not. The point is that the revision statement is optional in YANG. If the = module doesn't have a revision statement I can't list it here. BALAZS2: OK, I will update the pattern to make the date optional, and = will add in the description, that if it is available it must be used. >=20 > o schema-uri > The description says: > A reference to another YANG instance data file. > This instance data file will use the same set of target > YANG modules, revisions, supported features and deviations > as the referenced YANG instance data file. >=20 > I don't understand what this means. Does it mean that the schema > for this document is the same as the schema defined in the > schema-uri file, or that the schema-uri file defines the schema in > its content-data? >=20 > I *think* it is the former. In either case, the name of the leaf > can perhaps be changed to reflect the semantics, rather than the > syntax (i.e., don't call it xxx-uri just b/c its type is an uri). > Perhaps 'same-schema-as-file'. > BALAZS: OK, I changed the description hope it is easier to understand now. > description > "A reference to another YANG instance data file. > This instance data file will use the same > content schema as the referenced file."; Thanks, better. 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable See below BALAZS2. -----Original Message----- From: Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com>=20 Sent: 2019. november 7., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 16:17 To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com> Cc: andy@yumaworks.com; netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] comments on = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04 Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com> wrote: > See below! Balazs >=20 > =20 >=20 > From: netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Andy Bierman > Sent: 2019. okt=C3=B3ber 10., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 17:34 > To: Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com> > Cc: NetMod WG <netmod@ietf.org> > Subject: Re: [netmod] comments on=20 > draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04 >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 5:06 AM Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com = <mailto:mbj@tail-f.com> > wrote: >=20 >=20 > o leaf-list module >=20 > The type of this leaf-list is a string with: >=20 > pattern '.+@\d{4}-\d{2}-\d{2}\.yang'; >=20 > I think the revision needs to be optional, and the suffix ".yang" > dropped, since it doesn't add any value: >=20 > pattern '.+(@\d{4}-\d{2}-\d{2})?'; >=20 > (same for inline-spec). >=20 > =20 >=20 > IMO the filespec SHOULD follow the pattern in =20 > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-5.2 >=20 > BALAZS: It does follow the pattern except that I made the revision = date mandatory. It is needed to properly understand the instance data. >=20 > =20 >=20 > Except a new file extension SHOULD be used. >=20 > Suggest: .yif =3D=3D YANG Instance File >=20 > =20 >=20 > Obviously it would be a horrible idea to use .yang since that=20 > extension >=20 > is already used to identify a YANG schema file. >=20 > BALAZS: The leaf-list lists not the instance data files but the = content defining YANG modules, so IMO =E2=80=9C.yang=E2=80=9D is an = appropriate extension. It is really a YANG schema file we are listing. No, you are not listing a file name, you are listing the name and, = optionally, the revision of a YANG *module*. It can internally be = stored as a .yang file a .yin file, or as a blob in a database. Hence, we should not have the ".yang" suffix here. BALAZS2: OK, I will add the '.yin' possibility. 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable See below BALAZS2. -----Original Message----- From: Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com>=20 Sent: 2019. november 7., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 16:25 To: andy@yumaworks.com Cc: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>; netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] comments on = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04 > The schema-uri looks standard but the contents of the referenced YANG=20 > instance file can be anything (as opposed to a pre-defined YANG=20 > template like /yang-library). Note that the name of this leaf is misleading (see my ealrier comments). = It is really 'same-schema-as-file', which means that it point to = another YANG instance data file, which must specify its schema in one of = the three ways. Which may be another schema-uri, but in the end the = recursion must stop and you must find a YANG instance data file that = usses 'simplified-inline' or 'inline'. BALAZS2: leaf name changes following Martin's suggestion > The inline-content-schema object looks broken because a YANG file is a = > text string. It is supposed to be data nodes for /yang-library or perhaps = /module-sets, or perhaps something else. See the examples in section = 3.2. BALAZS2: The draft includes the text: " A schema-uri leaf SHALL contain a URI that references another YANG = instance data file." So just as Martin says: it is a reference to a YANG file but to a yang = INSTANCE DATA file: which is yangdata. /martin ------=_NextPart_000_02E3_01D59D94.BEA67BC0 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIVbjCCAyAw ggIIoAMCAQICAR0wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwOTELMAkGA1UEBhMCRkkxDzANBgNVBAoTBlNvbmVy YTEZMBcGA1UEAxMQU29uZXJhIENsYXNzMiBDQTAeFw0wMTA0MDYwNzI5NDBaFw0yMTA0MDYwNzI5 NDBaMDkxCzAJBgNVBAYTAkZJMQ8wDQYDVQQKEwZTb25lcmExGTAXBgNVBAMTEFNvbmVyYSBDbGFz czIgQ0EwggEiMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4IBDwAwggEKAoIBAQCQF0o1ncrwDZbHRPoWN/xIvb1/ gC01O+FvqGepvwMcTYxvMkfVQWikEwTBNQyahEP8XB3/ibPoFxjNkV/7iePqv05dfBsm03V57eaE 41flrSnE9Doo56V7hDZps/1edr2jLZnTkE4jKH0YY/FUOyaddluXQrL/rvBO7N05lU6DBn/nSUDI xQGyVFpmHT38+ek8Cp6BuHDwAYvkI1R8yK74kB4AlnLUVM9hI7zq+50CldG2uXE6aQg/D7ThQseI 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This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. Title : Factory Default Setting Authors : Qin Wu Balazs Lengyel Ye Niu Filename : draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-07.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2019-11-17 Abstract: This document defines a method to reset a server to its factory- default content. The reset operation may be used, e.g., when the existing configuration has major errors so re-starting the configuration process from scratch is the best option. A new factory-reset RPC is defined. When resetting a datastore, all previous configuration settings will be lost and replaced by the factory-default content. A new optional "factory-default" read-only datastore is defined, that contains the data that will be copied over to the running datastore at reset. 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<o:idmap v:ext=3D"edit" data=3D"1" /> </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--> </head> <body lang=3D"ZH-CN" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"> <div class=3D"WordSection1"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-= family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Done, Kent.<o:p></o:p>= </span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-= family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><a href=3D"https://dat= atracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default/?include_text=3D1">= https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default/?include= _text=3D1</a><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-= family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks for follow up.<= o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-= family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></spa= n></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-= family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">-Qin<a name=3D"_MailEn= dCompose"><o:p></o:p></a></span></p> <div> <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm = 0cm 0cm"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"= ;=CE=A2=C8=ED=D1=C5=BA=DA",sans-serif">=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB<span lang=3D= "EN-US">:</span></span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;f= ont-family:"=CE=A2=C8=ED=D1=C5=BA=DA",sans-serif"> Kent Watsen [m= ailto:kent+ietf@watsen.net] <br> </span><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"=CE=A2=C8=ED=D1= =C5=BA=DA",sans-serif">=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4<span lang=3D"EN-US">:<= /span></span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family= :"=CE=A2=C8=ED=D1=C5=BA=DA",sans-serif"> 2019</span><span style= =3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"=CE=A2=C8=ED=D1=C5=BA=DA",sans-= serif">=C4=EA<span lang=3D"EN-US">11</span>=D4=C2<span lang=3D"EN-US">16</s= pan>=C8=D5<span lang=3D"EN-US"> 5:16<br> </span><b>=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></b><span lang=3D"= EN-US"> netmod@ietf.org<br> </span><b>=B3=AD=CB=CD<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"= > draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default@ietf.org<br> </span><b>=D6=F7=CC=E2<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"= > Re: [netconf] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05<o:p></o:= p></span></span></p> </div> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Today ends the two-week Last Ca= ll, which passed.  Thank you everyone who participated.  <o:p></o= :p></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Qin, I'll start the shephe= rd writeup after -07 has been posted addressing the Last Call comments.<o:p= ></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Kent // shepherd <o:p></o:= p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><br> <br> <o:p></o:p></span></p> <blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">On Nov 1, 2019, at 10:57 AM, Ke= nt Watsen <<a href=3D"mailto:kent+ietf@watsen.net">kent+ietf@wat= sen.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">This begins a two-week Working = Group Last Call (WGLC) on draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05.  The W= GLC ends on Nov 15 (two days before the NETMOD 106 session).  Please s= end your comments to the working group mailing list.<br> <br> Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and believe it i= s ready for publication", are welcome!  This is useful and import= ant, even from authors.  Objections, concerns, and suggestions are als= o welcomed at this time.<br> <br> Thank you,<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> </blockquote> <blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">NETMOD Chairs<o:p></o:p></span>= </p> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> </div> </div> </body> </html> --_000_B8F9A780D330094D99AF023C5877DABAA9451CD7dggeml511mbxchi_-- From nobody Sun Nov 17 08:37:17 2019 Return-Path: <internet-drafts@ietf.org> X-Original-To: netmod@ietf.org Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F32BF120180; Sun, 17 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This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. Title : YANG Instance Data File Format Authors : Balazs Lengyel Benoit Claise Filename : draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-05.txt Pages : 26 Date : 2019-11-17 Abstract: There is a need to document data defined in YANG models when a live server is not available. Data is often needed already at design or implementation time or needed by groups that do not have a live running server available. This document specifies a standard file format for YANG instance data (which follows the syntax and semantic from existing YANG models, re-using the same format as the reply to a <get> operation/request) and annotates it with metadata. 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Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/tL6E1gOM_abQ1SNkWWRXfS_pMJE> Subject: Re: [netmod] comments on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list <netmod.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/netmod/> List-Post: <mailto:netmod@ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 16:58:05 -0000 --000000000000d8160205978dbb9a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 6:19 AM Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsso= n.com> wrote: > > > > > *From:* Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com> > *Sent:* 2019. november 7., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 23:58 > *To:* Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com> > *Cc:* Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>; NetMod WG < > netmod@ietf.org> > *Subject:* Re: [netmod] comments on > draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04 > > > > It seems strange that the details that don't matter at all (like the > filename) have lots > > of rules that MUST be followed and the details that actually add standard= s > value are left unspecified. > > > > Andy > > > > BALAZS2: Actually what is missing, unspecified? > The inline-schema is under-specified. There is no way for the file reader to know what to expect as the child nodes of inline-schema. The file writer can put anything there and a 3rd party reader tool is expected to support it. anydata inline-schema { mandatory true; description "Instance data corresponding to the YANG modules specified in the inline-module nodes defining the set of content defining YANG modules for this instance-data-set."; } Andy --000000000000d8160205978dbb9a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">= <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 6:19 AM Bal= =C3=A1zs Lengyel <<a href=3D"mailto:balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com">balazs.= lengyel@ericsson.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo= te" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204= );padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"gmail-m_7351538607637= 394527WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class= =3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> = Andy Bierman <<a href=3D"mailto:andy@yumaworks.com" target=3D"_blank">an= dy@yumaworks.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> 2019. november 7., cs=C3=BCt=C3= =B6rt=C3=B6k 23:58<br><b>To:</b> Martin Bjorklund <<a href=3D"mailto:mbj= @tail-f.com" target=3D"_blank">mbj@tail-f.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Bal=C3= =A1zs Lengyel <<a href=3D"mailto:balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com" target=3D"= _blank">balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com</a>>; NetMod WG <<a href=3D"mailt= o:netmod@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">netmod@ietf.org</a>><br><b>Subject:= </b> Re: [netmod] comments on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-0= 4<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></= u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">It seems strange that the details t= hat don't matter at all (like the filename) have lots<u></u><u></u></p>= </div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">of rules that MUST be followed and the de= tails that actually add standards value are left unspecified.<u></u><u></u>= </p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p= class=3D"MsoNormal">Andy<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal= ">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">BALAZS2: Actually what is = missing, unspecified?</p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><b= r></div><div>The inline-schema is under-specified.</div><div>There is no wa= y for the file reader to know what to expect as the child nodes of inline-s= chema.</div><div>The file writer can put anything there and a 3rd party rea= der tool is expected to support it.</div><div><br></div><pre class=3D"gmail= -newpage" style=3D"font-size:13.3333px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;bre= ak-before:page;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> anydata inline-schema { mandatory true; description "Instance data corresponding to the YANG modules specified in the inline-module nodes defining the set of content defining YANG modules for this instance-data-set.";=C2=A0</pre><div><span style=3D"co= lor:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13.3333px">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0}</span>=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Andy</div><div><b= r></div></div></div> --000000000000d8160205978dbb9a-- From nobody Sun Nov 17 10:02:00 2019 Return-Path: <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EE26120812 for <netmod@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 10:01:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0335_01D59DB4.24AD50F0" ------=_NextPart_001_0335_01D59DB4.24AD50F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable See below BALAZS3. =20 From: Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com>=20 Sent: 2019. november 18., h=C3=A9tf=C5=91 0:58 To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com> Cc: Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com>; NetMod WG <netmod@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [netmod] comments on = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04 =20 On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 6:19 AM Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com <mailto:balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com> > = wrote: From: Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com <mailto:andy@yumaworks.com> >=20 Sent: 2019. november 7., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 23:58 To: Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com <mailto:mbj@tail-f.com> > Cc: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com = <mailto:balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com> >; NetMod WG <netmod@ietf.org = <mailto:netmod@ietf.org> > Subject: Re: [netmod] comments on = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04 =20 It seems strange that the details that don't matter at all (like the = filename) have lots of rules that MUST be followed and the details that actually add = standards value are left unspecified. Andy BALAZS2: Actually what is missing, unspecified? =20 The inline-schema is under-specified. There is no way for the file reader to know what to expect as the child = nodes of inline-schema. =20 The file writer can put anything there and a 3rd party reader tool is = expected to support it. =20 anydata inline-schema { mandatory true; description "Instance data corresponding to the YANG modules specified in the inline-module nodes defining the set of content defining YANG modules for this instance-data-set.";=20 }=20 =20 =20 Andy =20 BALAZS3: IMO the anydata is specified. The leaf-list inline-module defines the = modules that define how anydata inline-schema should look like. anydata inline-schema { mandatory true; description "Instance data corresponding to the YANG modules specified in the inline-module ... =20 The fileReader/fileWriter shall look at the =E2=80=98leaf-list = inline-module=E2=80=99 and from that it knows what to read/write. =20 I wanted to state that inline-schema anydata always follows the = ietf-yang-library and maybe some YAMs augmenting it. 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{page:WordSection1;} --></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapedefaults v:ext=3D"edit" spidmax=3D"1026" /> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapelayout v:ext=3D"edit"> <o:idmap v:ext=3D"edit" data=3D"1" /> </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=3DEN-US link=3Dblue = vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#C55A11;mso-style-te= xtfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'>See below BALAZS3.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> = Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> 2019. november = 18., h=C3=A9tf=C5=91 0:58<br><b>To:</b> Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com><br><b>Cc:</b> Martin Bjorklund = <mbj@tail-f.com>; NetMod WG = <netmod@ietf.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [netmod] comments on = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04<o:p></o:p></p><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On = Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 6:19 AM Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <<a = href=3D"mailto:balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com">balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com</= a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote = style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm = 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <b>Fro= m:</b> Andy Bierman <<a href=3D"mailto:andy@yumaworks.com" = target=3D"_blank">andy@yumaworks.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> 2019. = november 7., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 23:58<br><b>To:</b> Martin = Bjorklund <<a href=3D"mailto:mbj@tail-f.com" = target=3D"_blank">mbj@tail-f.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Bal=C3=A1zs = Lengyel <<a href=3D"mailto:balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com" = target=3D"_blank">balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com</a>>; NetMod WG <<a = href=3D"mailto:netmod@ietf.org" = target=3D"_blank">netmod@ietf.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: = [netmod] comments on = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><d= iv><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><= /o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>It seems = strange that the details that don't matter at all (like the filename) = have lots<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>of rules = that MUST be followed and the details that actually add standards value = are left unspecified.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Andy<o:p></o= :p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>BALAZS2: = Actually what is missing, = unspecified?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><di= v><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>The inline-schema is = under-specified.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>There is = no way for the file reader to know what to expect as the child nodes of = inline-schema.<o:p></o:p></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>The file writer can put anything there and a 3rd party = reader tool is expected to support it.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><pre = style=3D'break-before:page'><span = style=3D'color:black'>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 anydata inline-schema {<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span = style=3D'color:black'>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 mandatory true;<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span = style=3D'color:black'>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 description<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span = style=3D'color:black'>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 "Instance data corresponding to = the YANG modules<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span = style=3D'color:black'>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 specified in the inline-module = nodes defining the set<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span = style=3D'color:black'>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 of content defining YANG modules = for this<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span = style=3D'color:black'>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = instance-data-set."; <o:p></o:p></span></pre><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>  =         =  }</span> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>Andy<o:p></o:p></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#C55A11;mso-style-te= xtfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'>BALAZS3:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#C55A11;mso-style-te= xtfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'>IMO the anydata is specified.=C2=A0 The = leaf-list inline-module defines the modules that define how anydata = inline-schema should look like.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#C55A11;mso-style-te= xtfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 anydata inline-schema {<o:p></o:p></span></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#C55A11;mso-style-te= xtfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 mandatory true;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#C55A11;mso-style-te= xtfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 description<o:p></o:p></span></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#C55A11;mso-style-te= xtfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 "<b><i>Instance data = corresponding to the YANG modules<o:p></o:p></i></b></span></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><b><i><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#C55A11;mso-style-te= xtfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 specified in the = inline-module</span></i></b><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#C55A11;mso-style-te= xtfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'> ...<o:p></o:p></span></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#C55A11;mso-style-te= xtfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#C55A11;mso-style-te= xtfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'>The fileReader/fileWriter shall look at the = =E2=80=98<i>leaf-list inline-module</i>=E2=80=99 and from that it knows = what to read/write.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#C55A11;mso-style-te= xtfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#C55A11;mso-style-te= xtfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'>I wanted to state that inline-schema anydata = always follows the ietf-yang-library and maybe some YAMs augmenting it. = However Juergen insisted in a more flexible solution. = <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div></body></h= tml> 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----Original Message----- From: Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com>=20 Sent: 2019. november 18., h=C3=A9tf=C5=91 0:53 To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com> Cc: andy@yumaworks.com; netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] comments on = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04 > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 5:06 AM Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com = <mailto:mbj@tail-f.com> > wrote: > >=20 > >=20 > > o leaf-list module > >=20 > > The type of this leaf-list is a string with: > >=20 > > pattern '.+@\d{4}-\d{2}-\d{2}\.yang'; > >=20 > > I think the revision needs to be optional, and the suffix = ".yang" > > dropped, since it doesn't add any value: > >=20 > > pattern '.+(@\d{4}-\d{2}-\d{2})?'; > >=20 > > (same for inline-spec). > >=20 > > =20 > >=20 > > IMO the filespec SHOULD follow the pattern in > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-5.2 > >=20 > > BALAZS: It does follow the pattern except that I made the revision = date mandatory. It is needed to properly understand the instance data. > >=20 > > =20 > >=20 > > Except a new file extension SHOULD be used. > >=20 > > Suggest: .yif =3D=3D YANG Instance File > >=20 > > =20 > >=20 > > Obviously it would be a horrible idea to use .yang since that=20 > > extension > >=20 > > is already used to identify a YANG schema file. > >=20 > > BALAZS: The leaf-list lists not the instance data files but the = content defining YANG modules, so IMO =E2=80=9C.yang=E2=80=9D is an = appropriate extension. It is really a YANG schema file we are listing. >=20 > No, you are not listing a file name, you are listing the name and, = optionally, the revision of a YANG *module*. It can internally be = stored as a .yang file a .yin file, or as a blob in a database. >=20 > Hence, we should not have the ".yang" suffix here. > BALAZS2: > OK, I will add the '.yin' possibility. IMO this is even worse. Which suffix should I use? What difference = does it make? > I would like to keep the file extension because=20 > ietf-yang-type@2015-12-07.yang looks more familiar I think it is a bad idea to use something that looks familiar but change = the meaning of it. It is *not* a filename, it is a pair modulename + = optional revision; an identifier for the module. , will be easier to understand, than just > ietf-yang-types@2019-12-07 > IMHO in practice systems might very well use it for file lookup. But if I use this for file lookup, and I use YIN, and I try to use an = instance file that lists the modules as ".yang", this won't work. Perhaps solve this by changing the leaf-list into: container inline-modules { list module { key name; leaf name { ... } leaf revision { ... } } } /martin BALAZS3: People explicitly asked for a short, simple solution, so = reusing the well-known module-file-naming format seemed logical, and = nobody misunderstood it till now. I would really like to avoid creating a list with 2 separate leaf's: = longer, more complex. It goes against the express wishes of other group = members. If you prefer we can drop the file extension. IMHO it will look strange. 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<20191107.091655.653448067546159616.mbj@tail-f.com> <AM7PR07MB6214B5582C8EA2CB2924DA05F0720@AM7PR07MB6214.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com> <20191117.175235.2089925675266198271.mbj@tail-f.com> In-Reply-To: <20191117.175235.2089925675266198271.mbj@tail-f.com> From: Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 15:07:08 -0800 Message-ID: <CABCOCHR=g-c_V+nMTKLBicPAD3H9+Nr+4WU-wEjtqAMUmx5CgA@mail.gmail.com> To: Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com> Cc: Balazs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>, NetMod WG <netmod@ietf.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000941cfe059792e47d" Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/XUzy2i0m_01DsjRK-nkqd7MZoj8> Subject: Re: [netmod] comments on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list <netmod.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/netmod/> List-Post: <mailto:netmod@ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 23:07:24 -0000 --000000000000941cfe059792e47d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 8:52 AM Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com> wrote: > Hi, > > Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com> wrote: > > See below BALAZS2. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com> > > Sent: 2019. november 7., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 16:17 > > To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com> > > Cc: andy@yumaworks.com; netmod@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [netmod] comments on > draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04 > > > > Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com> wrote: > > > See below! Balazs > > > > > > > > > > > > From: netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Andy Bierman > > > Sent: 2019. okt=C3=B3ber 10., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 17:34 > > > To: Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com> > > > Cc: NetMod WG <netmod@ietf.org> > > > Subject: Re: [netmod] comments on > > > draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 5:06 AM Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com > <mailto:mbj@tail-f.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > o leaf-list module > > > > > > The type of this leaf-list is a string with: > > > > > > pattern '.+@\d{4}-\d{2}-\d{2}\.yang'; > > > > > > I think the revision needs to be optional, and the suffix ".yang" > > > dropped, since it doesn't add any value: > > > > > > pattern '.+(@\d{4}-\d{2}-\d{2})?'; > > > > > > (same for inline-spec). > > > > > > > > > > > > IMO the filespec SHOULD follow the pattern in > > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-5.2 > > > > > > BALAZS: It does follow the pattern except that I made the revision > date mandatory. It is needed to properly understand the instance data. > > > > > > > > > > > > Except a new file extension SHOULD be used. > > > > > > Suggest: .yif =3D=3D YANG Instance File > > > > > > > > > > > > Obviously it would be a horrible idea to use .yang since that > > > extension > > > > > > is already used to identify a YANG schema file. > > > > > > BALAZS: The leaf-list lists not the instance data files but the > content defining YANG modules, so IMO =E2=80=9C.yang=E2=80=9D is an appro= priate extension. > It is really a YANG schema file we are listing. > > > > No, you are not listing a file name, you are listing the name and, > optionally, the revision of a YANG *module*. It can internally be stored > as a .yang file a .yin file, or as a blob in a database. > > > > Hence, we should not have the ".yang" suffix here. > > BALAZS2: > > OK, I will add the '.yin' possibility. > > IMO this is even worse. Which suffix should I use? What difference > does it make? > > +1 > > I would like to keep the file extension because > > ietf-yang-type@2015-12-07.yang > > looks more familiar > > I think it is a bad idea to use something that looks familiar but > change the meaning of it. It is *not* a filename, it is a pair > modulename + optional revision; an identifier for the module. > > , will be easier to understand, than just > > ietf-yang-types@2019-12-07 > > IMHO in practice systems might very well use it for file lookup. > > But if I use this for file lookup, and I use YIN, and I try to use an > instance file that lists the modules as ".yang", this won't work. > > > Perhaps solve this by changing the leaf-list into: > > I think your original proposal is the correct solution: mod-name [ @revision ] The YANG module files (.yang or .yin) are not actually available, so unlike <get-schema>, they do not matter. The file reader app needs to be capable of finding module files on its own. > container inline-modules { > list module { > key name; > leaf name { ... } > leaf revision { ... } > } > } > > > /martin > Andy --000000000000941cfe059792e47d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">= <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 8:52 AM Marti= n Bjorklund <<a href=3D"mailto:mbj@tail-f.com">mbj@tail-f.com</a>> wr= ote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px= 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br> <br> Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <<a href=3D"mailto:balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com" targ= et=3D"_blank">balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com</a>> wrote:<br> > See below BALAZS2.<br> > -----Original Message-----<br> > From: Martin Bjorklund <<a href=3D"mailto:mbj@tail-f.com" target=3D= "_blank">mbj@tail-f.com</a>> <br> > Sent: 2019. november 7., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 16:17<br> > To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <<a href=3D"mailto:balazs.lengyel@ericsson.= com" target=3D"_blank">balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com</a>><br> > Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:andy@yumaworks.com" target=3D"_blank">andy@yumaw= orks.com</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:netmod@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">netmod@i= etf.org</a><br> > Subject: Re: [netmod] comments on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file= -format-04<br> > <br> > Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <<a href=3D"mailto:balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com"= target=3D"_blank">balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com</a>> wrote:<br> > > See below!=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Balazs<br> > > <br> > >=C2=A0 <br> > > <br> > > From: netmod <<a href=3D"mailto:netmod-bounces@ietf.org" targe= t=3D"_blank">netmod-bounces@ietf.org</a>> On Behalf Of Andy Bierman<br> > > Sent: 2019. okt=C3=B3ber 10., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 17:34<br> > > To: Martin Bjorklund <<a href=3D"mailto:mbj@tail-f.com" target= =3D"_blank">mbj@tail-f.com</a>><br> > > Cc: NetMod WG <<a href=3D"mailto:netmod@ietf.org" target=3D"_b= lank">netmod@ietf.org</a>><br> > > Subject: Re: [netmod] comments on <br> > > draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04<br> > > <br> > >=C2=A0 <br> > > <br> > >=C2=A0 <br> > > <br> > >=C2=A0 <br> > > <br> > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 5:06 AM Martin Bjorklund <<a href=3D"m= ailto:mbj@tail-f.com" target=3D"_blank">mbj@tail-f.com</a> <mailto:<a hr= ef=3D"mailto:mbj@tail-f.com" target=3D"_blank">mbj@tail-f.com</a>> > = wrote:<br> > > <br> > > <br> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 leaf-list module<br> > > <br> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The type of this leaf-list is a string with:<b= r> > > <br> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0pattern '.+@\d{4}-\d{2}-\d{2}\.yang= ';<br> > > <br> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I think the revision needs to be optional, and= the suffix ".yang"<br> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0dropped, since it doesn't add any value:<b= r> > > <br> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0pattern '.+(@\d{4}-\d{2}-\d{2})?= 9;;<br> > > <br> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (same for inline-spec).<br> > > <br> > >=C2=A0 <br> > > <br> > > IMO the filespec SHOULD follow the pattern in=C2=A0 <br> > > <a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-5.2" rel= =3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#secti= on-5.2</a><br> > > <br> > > BALAZS: It does follow the pattern except that I made the revisio= n date mandatory. It is needed to properly understand the instance data.<br= > > > <br> > >=C2=A0 <br> > > <br> > > Except a new file extension SHOULD be used.<br> > > <br> > > Suggest: .yif =3D=3D YANG Instance File<br> > > <br> > >=C2=A0 <br> > > <br> > > Obviously it would be a horrible idea to use .yang since that <br= > > > extension<br> > > <br> > > is already used to identify a YANG schema file.<br> > > <br> > > BALAZS: The leaf-list lists not the instance data files but the c= ontent defining YANG modules, so IMO =E2=80=9C.yang=E2=80=9D is an appropri= ate extension. It is really a YANG schema file we are listing.<br> > <br> > No, you are not listing a file name, you are listing the name and, opt= ionally, the revision of a YANG *module*.=C2=A0 It can internally be stored= as a .yang file a .yin file, or as a blob in a database.<br> > <br> > Hence, we should not have the ".yang" suffix here.<br> > BALAZS2:<br> > OK, I will add the '.yin' possibility.<br> <br> IMO this is even worse.=C2=A0 Which suffix should I use?=C2=A0 What differe= nce<br> does it make?<br> <br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>+1</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0</di= v><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;borde= r-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> > I would like to keep the file extension because<br> > ietf-yang-type@2015-12-07.yang<br> > looks more familiar<br> <br> I think it is a bad idea to use something that looks familiar but<br> change the meaning of it.=C2=A0 It is *not* a filename, it is a pair<br> modulename + optional revision; an identifier for the module.<br> <br> , will be easier to understand, than just<br> > ietf-yang-types@2019-12-07<br> > IMHO in practice systems might very well use it for file lookup.<br> <br> But if I use this for file lookup, and I use YIN, and I try to use an<br> instance file that lists the modules as ".yang", this won't w= ork.<br> <br> <br> Perhaps solve this by changing the leaf-list into:<br> <br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I think your original p= roposal is the correct solution:</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0mod-= name [=C2=A0@revision ]</div><div><br></div><div>The YANG module files (.ya= ng or .yin) are not actually available, so unlike <get-schema>,</div>= <div>they do not matter.=C2=A0 The file reader app needs to be capable of f= inding module files on its own.</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><block= quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1= px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> =C2=A0 container inline-modules {<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 list module {<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 key name;<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 leaf name { ... }<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 leaf revision { ... }<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 }<br> =C2=A0 }<br> <br> <br> /martin<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Andy</div><div>=C2=A0</div></di= v></div> --000000000000941cfe059792e47d-- From nobody Sun Nov 17 15:12:44 2019 Return-Path: <andy@yumaworks.com> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E575120116 for <netmod@ietfa.amsl.com>; 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boundary="00000000000098dbb3059792f78a" Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/ogfpdzLcd3-FMjJZlTjARcS0OMU> Subject: Re: [netmod] comments on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list <netmod.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/netmod/> List-Post: <mailto:netmod@ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 23:12:42 -0000 --00000000000098dbb3059792f78a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 10:01 AM Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericss= on.com> wrote: > See below BALAZS3. > > > > *From:* Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com> > *Sent:* 2019. november 18., h=C3=A9tf=C5=91 0:58 > *To:* Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com> > *Cc:* Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com>; NetMod WG <netmod@ietf.org> > *Subject:* Re: [netmod] comments on > draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04 > > > > On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 6:19 AM Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel < > balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com> wrote: > > *From:* Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com> > *Sent:* 2019. november 7., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 23:58 > *To:* Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com> > *Cc:* Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>; NetMod WG < > netmod@ietf.org> > *Subject:* Re: [netmod] comments on > draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04 > > > > It seems strange that the details that don't matter at all (like the > filename) have lots > > of rules that MUST be followed and the details that actually add standard= s > value are left unspecified. > > Andy > > BALAZS2: Actually what is missing, unspecified? > > > > The inline-schema is under-specified. > > There is no way for the file reader to know what to expect as the child > nodes of inline-schema. > > > > The file writer can put anything there and a 3rd party reader tool is > expected to support it. > > > > anydata inline-schema { > > mandatory true; > > description > > "Instance data corresponding to the YANG modules > > specified in the inline-module nodes defining the set > > of content defining YANG modules for this > > instance-data-set."; > > } > > > > > > Andy > > > > BALAZS3: > > IMO the anydata is specified. The leaf-list inline-module defines the > modules that define how anydata inline-schema should look like. > > anydata inline-schema { > > mandatory true; > > description > > "*Instance data corresponding to the YANG modules* > > * specified in the inline-module* ... > > > > The fileReader/fileWriter shall look at the =E2=80=98*leaf-list inline-mo= dule*=E2=80=99 > and from that it knows what to read/write. > > > > I wanted to state that inline-schema anydata always follows the > ietf-yang-library and maybe some YAMs augmenting it. However Juergen > insisted in a more flexible solution. > I think the following text (or similar) should be added to the description-stmt above This node SHOULD contain a single container instance which represents either the /yang-library or /modules-state subtree. This allows for exceptions but still provides interoperability instructions= . Andy > > --00000000000098dbb3059792f78a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">= <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 10:01 AM Bal= =C3=A1zs Lengyel <<a href=3D"mailto:balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com">balazs.= lengyel@ericsson.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo= te" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204= );padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"gmail-m_-560565860516= 2141153WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(197,90= ,17)">See below BALAZS3.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u>= </u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Andy Bierman <<= a href=3D"mailto:andy@yumaworks.com" target=3D"_blank">andy@yumaworks.com</= a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> 2019. november 18., h=C3=A9tf=C5=91 0:58<br><b>To:<= /b> Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <<a href=3D"mailto:balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com" = target=3D"_blank">balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Martin = Bjorklund <<a href=3D"mailto:mbj@tail-f.com" target=3D"_blank">mbj@tail-= f.com</a>>; NetMod WG <<a href=3D"mailto:netmod@ietf.org" target=3D"_= blank">netmod@ietf.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [netmod] comments on = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04<u></u><u></u></p><div><p cla= ss=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">O= n Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 6:19 AM Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <<a href=3D"mailto:ba= lazs.lengyel@ericsson.com" target=3D"_blank">balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com</a= >> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;bo= rder-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);p= adding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><div><p cla= ss=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<b>From:</b> Andy Bierman <<a href=3D"mailto:andy= @yumaworks.com" target=3D"_blank">andy@yumaworks.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</= b> 2019. november 7., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 23:58<br><b>To:</b> Martin B= jorklund <<a href=3D"mailto:mbj@tail-f.com" target=3D"_blank">mbj@tail-f= .com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <<a href=3D"mailto:balazs= .lengyel@ericsson.com" target=3D"_blank">balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com</a>>= ;; NetMod WG <<a href=3D"mailto:netmod@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">netmo= d@ietf.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [netmod] comments on draft-ietf-n= etmod-yang-instance-file-format-04<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><div><p class= =3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">It= seems strange that the details that don't matter at all (like the file= name) have lots<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">of rules= that MUST be followed and the details that actually add standards value ar= e left unspecified.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Andy= <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">BALAZS2: Actually what = is missing, unspecified?<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></b= lockquote><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p= class=3D"MsoNormal">The inline-schema is under-specified.<u></u><u></u></p= ></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">There is no way for the file reader to k= now what to expect as the child nodes of inline-schema.<u></u><u></u></p><p= class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm= al">The file writer can put anything there and a 3rd party reader tool is e= xpected to support it.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><= u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><pre style=3D"break-before:page"><span style= =3D"color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 anydata inline-schema {<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span style=3D"c= olor:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 mandatory true;<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span style=3D"col= or:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 description<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span style=3D"color:b= lack">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 "Instance data corresponding to the YANG modules<u></u= ><u></u></span></pre><pre><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 speci= fied in the inline-module nodes defining the set<u></u><u></u></span></pre>= <pre><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 of content defining YANG m= odules for this<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span style=3D"color:black">= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 instance-data-set.";=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></pre><= div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black">=C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0}</span>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div= ><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D= "MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Andy<= u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D= "MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(197,90,17)">BALAZS3:<u></u><u></u></sp= an></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(197,90,17)">IMO the = anydata is specified.=C2=A0 The leaf-list inline-module defines the modules= that define how anydata inline-schema should look like.<u></u><u></u></spa= n></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(197,90,17)">=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 anydata inline-schema {= <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(19= 7,90,17)">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 mandatory true;<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s= pan style=3D"color:rgb(197,90,17)">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 description<u></u><u></u></span></p><p cl= ass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(197,90,17)">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 "<b= ><i>Instance data corresponding to the YANG modules<u></u><u></u></i></b></= span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"color:rgb(197,90,17)">= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 specified in the inline-module</span></i></b><span style=3D= "color:rgb(197,90,17)"> ...<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">= <span style=3D"color:rgb(197,90,17)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p clas= s=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(197,90,17)">The fileReader/fileWri= ter shall look at the =E2=80=98<i>leaf-list inline-module</i>=E2=80=99 and = from that it knows what to read/write.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"= MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(197,90,17)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span>= </p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(197,90,17)">I wanted to= state that inline-schema anydata always follows the ietf-yang-library and = maybe some YAMs augmenting it. However Juergen insisted in a more flexible = solution.</span></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></d= iv><div><br></div><div>I think the following text (or similar) should be ad= ded to the description-stmt above</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Th= is node SHOULD contain a single container instance which represents either = the /yang-library=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0or /modules-state sub= tree.</div><div><br></div><div>This allows for exceptions but still provide= s interoperability instructions.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>An= dy</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><bloc= kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:= 1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div class= =3D"gmail-m_-5605658605162141153WordSection1"><div><div><div><p class=3D"Ms= oNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(197,90,17)"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></d= iv><div><p 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<https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/B96q7mYH-JBD2x8cmQ-y_aXyvjk> Subject: [netmod] [Errata Held for Document Update] RFC7407 (5886) X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list <netmod.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/netmod/> List-Post: <mailto:netmod@ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 03:09:30 -0000 The following errata report has been held for document update for RFC7407, "A YANG Data Model for SNMP Configuration". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5886 -------------------------------------- Status: Held for Document Update Type: Technical Reported by: Martin Björklund <mbj@tail-f.com> Date Reported: 2019-10-29 Held by: Ignas Bagdonas (IESG) Section: 4.1 Original Text ------------- leaf fingerprint { type x509c2n:tls-fingerprint; mandatory true; description "Specifies a value with which the fingerprint of the full certificate presented by the peer is compared. If the fingerprint of the full certificate presented by the peer does not match the fingerprint configured, then the entry is skipped, and the search for a match continues."; Corrected Text -------------- leaf fingerprint { type x509c2n:tls-fingerprint; mandatory true; description "Specifies a value with which the certificate presented by the peer is compared, according to the algorithm defined in the description of the list node 'cert-to-name'."; Notes ----- The quoted text is not consistent with the algorithm described in the list 'cert-to-name'. Better to simply refer to the cert-to-name description. The algorithm described in 'cert-to-name' works in the same way as described in the referenced RFC 6353, which makes it clear that this is the intended behaviour. -------------------------------------- RFC7407 (draft-ietf-netmod-snmp-cfg-08) -------------------------------------- Title : A YANG Data Model for SNMP Configuration Publication Date : December 2014 Author(s) : M. 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boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0399_01D59E07.59548A50" ------=_NextPart_001_0399_01D59E07.59548A50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable See below BALAZS4. =20 From: Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com>=20 Sent: 2019. november 18., h=C3=A9tf=C5=91 7:12 To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com> Cc: Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com>; NetMod WG <netmod@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [netmod] comments on = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04 =20 =20 =20 On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 10:01 AM Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com <mailto:balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com> > = wrote: See below BALAZS3. =20 From: Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com <mailto:andy@yumaworks.com> >=20 Sent: 2019. november 18., h=C3=A9tf=C5=91 0:58 To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com = <mailto:balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com> > Cc: Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com <mailto:mbj@tail-f.com> >; NetMod = WG <netmod@ietf.org <mailto:netmod@ietf.org> > Subject: Re: [netmod] comments on = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04 =20 On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 6:19 AM Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com <mailto:balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com> > = wrote: From: Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com <mailto:andy@yumaworks.com> >=20 Sent: 2019. november 7., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 23:58 To: Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com <mailto:mbj@tail-f.com> > Cc: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com = <mailto:balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com> >; NetMod WG <netmod@ietf.org = <mailto:netmod@ietf.org> > Subject: Re: [netmod] comments on = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04 =20 It seems strange that the details that don't matter at all (like the = filename) have lots of rules that MUST be followed and the details that actually add = standards value are left unspecified. Andy BALAZS2: Actually what is missing, unspecified? =20 The inline-schema is under-specified. There is no way for the file reader to know what to expect as the child = nodes of inline-schema. =20 The file writer can put anything there and a 3rd party reader tool is = expected to support it. =20 anydata inline-schema { mandatory true; description "Instance data corresponding to the YANG modules specified in the inline-module nodes defining the set of content defining YANG modules for this instance-data-set.";=20 }=20 =20 =20 Andy =20 BALAZS3: IMO the anydata is specified. The leaf-list inline-module defines the = modules that define how anydata inline-schema should look like. anydata inline-schema { mandatory true; description "Instance data corresponding to the YANG modules specified in the inline-module ... =20 The fileReader/fileWriter shall look at the =E2=80=98leaf-list = inline-module=E2=80=99 and from that it knows what to read/write. =20 I wanted to state that inline-schema anydata always follows the = ietf-yang-library and maybe some YAMs augmenting it. However Juergen = insisted in a more flexible solution. =20 =20 I think the following text (or similar) should be added to the = description-stmt above =20 This node SHOULD contain a single container instance which = represents either the /yang-library=20 or /modules-state subtree. =20 This allows for exceptions but still provides interoperability = instructions. =20 =20 Andy =20 BALAZS4: Others (e.g., Juergen) explicitly asked for not restricting = this to ietf-yang-library.=20 I would be happy with your proposals, but the group decided otherwise = sometime back. =20 Also I foresee there might be (there will be) YANG modules that augment = yang-library with information needed here.=20 I am thinking about yang-versioning that plans to add the version-label, = which will help determining which versions of the of the YANG module are = compatible with the originally used schema defining modules. =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0399_01D59E07.59548A50 Content-Type: text/html; 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9]><xml> <o:shapelayout v:ext=3D"edit"> <o:idmap v:ext=3D"edit" data=3D"1" /> </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=3DEN-US link=3Dblue = vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>See below = BALAZS4.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com> = <br><b>Sent:</b> 2019. november 18., h=C3=A9tf=C5=91 7:12<br><b>To:</b> = Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com><br><b>Cc:</b> = Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com>; NetMod WG = <netmod@ietf.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [netmod] comments on = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04<o:p></o:p></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On = Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 10:01 AM Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <<a = href=3D"mailto:balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com">balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com</= a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote = style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm = 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11'>See below BALAZS3.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><= /o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b>= Andy Bierman <<a href=3D"mailto:andy@yumaworks.com" = target=3D"_blank">andy@yumaworks.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> 2019. = november 18., h=C3=A9tf=C5=91 0:58<br><b>To:</b> Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = <<a href=3D"mailto:balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com" = target=3D"_blank">balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> = Martin Bjorklund <<a href=3D"mailto:mbj@tail-f.com" = target=3D"_blank">mbj@tail-f.com</a>>; NetMod WG <<a = href=3D"mailto:netmod@ietf.org" = target=3D"_blank">netmod@ietf.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: = [netmod] comments on = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04<o:p></o:p></p><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><= /o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Sun, Nov = 17, 2019 at 6:19 AM Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <<a = href=3D"mailto:balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com" = target=3D"_blank">balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com</a>> = wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote = style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm = 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5= .0pt'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <b>Fro= m:</b> Andy Bierman <<a href=3D"mailto:andy@yumaworks.com" = target=3D"_blank">andy@yumaworks.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> 2019. = november 7., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 23:58<br><b>To:</b> Martin = Bjorklund <<a href=3D"mailto:mbj@tail-f.com" = target=3D"_blank">mbj@tail-f.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Bal=C3=A1zs = Lengyel <<a href=3D"mailto:balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com" = target=3D"_blank">balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com</a>>; NetMod WG <<a = href=3D"mailto:netmod@ietf.org" = target=3D"_blank">netmod@ietf.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: = [netmod] comments on = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><d= iv><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><= /o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>It seems = strange that the details that don't matter at all (like the filename) = have lots<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>of rules = that MUST be followed and the details that actually add standards value = are left unspecified.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Andy<o:p></o= :p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>BALAZS2: = Actually what is missing, = unspecified?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><di= v><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><= /o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The = inline-schema is under-specified.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>There is no = way for the file reader to know what to expect as the child nodes of = inline-schema.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><= /o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The file = writer can put anything there and a 3rd party reader tool is expected to = support it.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><= /o:p></p></div><pre style=3D'break-before:page'><span = style=3D'color:black'>        &nb= sp;  anydata inline-schema {</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><span = style=3D'color:black'>        &nb= sp;    mandatory true;</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><span = style=3D'color:black'>        &nb= sp;    description</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><span = style=3D'color:black'>        &nb= sp;      "Instance data corresponding to = the YANG modules</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><span = style=3D'color:black'>        &nb= sp;       specified in the inline-module = nodes defining the set</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><span = style=3D'color:black'>        &nb= sp;       of content defining YANG modules = for this</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><span = style=3D'color:black'>        &nb= sp;       = instance-data-set."; </span><o:p></o:p></pre><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>        =    }</span> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><= /o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><= /o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Andy<o:p></o= :p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><= /o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11'>BALAZS3:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11'>IMO the anydata is specified.  The = leaf-list inline-module defines the modules that define how anydata = inline-schema should look like.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11'>        &= nbsp;  anydata inline-schema {</span><o:p></o:p></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11'>        &= nbsp;    mandatory true;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11'>        &= nbsp;    description</span><o:p></o:p></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11'>        &= nbsp;      "<b><i>Instance data = corresponding to the YANG modules</i></b></span><o:p></o:p></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><i><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11'>        &= nbsp;       specified in the = inline-module</span></i></b><span style=3D'color:#C55A11'> = ...</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11'>The fileReader/fileWriter shall look at the = =E2=80=98<i>leaf-list inline-module</i>=E2=80=99 and from that it knows = what to read/write.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span = style=3D'color:#C55A11'>I wanted to state that inline-schema anydata = always follows the ietf-yang-library and maybe some YAMs augmenting it. = However Juergen insisted in a more flexible = solution.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote= ><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I = think the following text (or similar) should be added to the = description-stmt above<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>    This node SHOULD contain a single = container instance which represents either the = /yang-library <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>  =    or /modules-state subtree.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>This allows for exceptions but still provides = interoperability instructions.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>Andy<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = 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<https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/netmod/> List-Post: <mailto:netmod@ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 00:16:58 -0000 --00000000000009a9bd0597a7fb35 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 7:57 PM Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsso= n.com> wrote: > See below BALAZS4. > > > > *From:* Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com> > *Sent:* 2019. november 18., h=C3=A9tf=C5=91 7:12 > *To:* Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com> > *Cc:* Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com>; NetMod WG <netmod@ietf.org> > *Subject:* Re: [netmod] comments on > draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04 > > > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 10:01 AM Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel < > balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com> wrote: > > See below BALAZS3. > > > > *From:* Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com> > *Sent:* 2019. november 18., h=C3=A9tf=C5=91 0:58 > *To:* Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com> > *Cc:* Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com>; NetMod WG <netmod@ietf.org> > *Subject:* Re: [netmod] comments on > draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04 > > > > On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 6:19 AM Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel < > balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com> wrote: > > *From:* Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com> > *Sent:* 2019. november 7., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 23:58 > *To:* Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com> > *Cc:* Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>; NetMod WG < > netmod@ietf.org> > *Subject:* Re: [netmod] comments on > draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04 > > > > It seems strange that the details that don't matter at all (like the > filename) have lots > > of rules that MUST be followed and the details that actually add standard= s > value are left unspecified. > > Andy > > BALAZS2: Actually what is missing, unspecified? > > > > The inline-schema is under-specified. > > There is no way for the file reader to know what to expect as the child > nodes of inline-schema. > > > > The file writer can put anything there and a 3rd party reader tool is > expected to support it. > > > > anydata inline-schema { > > mandatory true; > > description > > "Instance data corresponding to the YANG modules > > specified in the inline-module nodes defining the set > > of content defining YANG modules for this > > instance-data-set."; > > } > > > > > > Andy > > > > BALAZS3: > > IMO the anydata is specified. The leaf-list inline-module defines the > modules that define how anydata inline-schema should look like. > > anydata inline-schema { > > mandatory true; > > description > > "*Instance data corresponding to the YANG modules* > > * specified in the inline-module* ... > > > > The fileReader/fileWriter shall look at the =E2=80=98*leaf-list inline-mo= dule*=E2=80=99 > and from that it knows what to read/write. > > > > I wanted to state that inline-schema anydata always follows the > ietf-yang-library and maybe some YAMs augmenting it. However Juergen > insisted in a more flexible solution. > > > > > > I think the following text (or similar) should be added to the > description-stmt above > > > > This node SHOULD contain a single container instance which represents > either the /yang-library > > or /modules-state subtree. > > > > This allows for exceptions but still provides interoperability > instructions. > > > > > > Andy > > > > BALAZS4: Others (e.g., Juergen) explicitly asked for not restricting this > to ietf-yang-library. > > I would be happy with your proposals, but the group decided otherwise > sometime back. > > > A tool has to be coded to understand the contents of the anydata node. Just parsing it is not enough. Is there an email thread this is discussed and resolved? The term SHOULD allows the rule to be broken with a good reason. What other data structures are needed now (or soon) other than /modules-state or /yang-library? I do not see how this file is interoperable if the reader does not know what to expect. Flexibility without interoperability is not success. Also I foresee there might be (there will be) YANG modules that augment > yang-library with information needed here. > > I am thinking about yang-versioning that plans to add the version-label, > which will help determining which versions of the of the YANG module are > compatible with the originally used schema defining modules. > > > I do not see how augment is relevant to this interoperability issue. Andy > > > > > > > > > --00000000000009a9bd0597a7fb35 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">= <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 7:57 PM Bal= =C3=A1zs Lengyel <<a href=3D"mailto:balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com">balazs.= lengyel@ericsson.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo= te" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204= );padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"gmail-m_1402755188107= 811684WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">See below BALAZS4.<u></u><u></u>= </p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><= b>From:</b> Andy Bierman <<a href=3D"mailto:andy@yumaworks.com" target= =3D"_blank">andy@yumaworks.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> 2019. november 18.,= h=C3=A9tf=C5=91 7:12<br><b>To:</b> Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <<a href=3D"mail= to:balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com" target=3D"_blank">balazs.lengyel@ericsson.c= om</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Martin Bjorklund <<a href=3D"mailto:mbj@tail-f.= com" target=3D"_blank">mbj@tail-f.com</a>>; NetMod WG <<a href=3D"mai= lto:netmod@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">netmod@ietf.org</a>><br><b>Subjec= t:</b> Re: [netmod] comments on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format= -04<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><d= iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNorm= al"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sun, Nov 17= , 2019 at 10:01 AM Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <<a href=3D"mailto:balazs.lengyel= @ericsson.com" target=3D"_blank">balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com</a>> wrote:= <u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:n= one;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0= cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNor= mal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(197,90,17)">See below BALAZS3.</span><u></u><= u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNor= mal"><b>From:</b> Andy Bierman <<a href=3D"mailto:andy@yumaworks.com" ta= rget=3D"_blank">andy@yumaworks.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> 2019. november = 18., h=C3=A9tf=C5=91 0:58<br><b>To:</b> Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <<a href=3D"= mailto:balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com" target=3D"_blank">balazs.lengyel@ericss= on.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Martin Bjorklund <<a href=3D"mailto:mbj@tai= l-f.com" target=3D"_blank">mbj@tail-f.com</a>>; NetMod WG <<a href=3D= "mailto:netmod@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">netmod@ietf.org</a>><br><b>Su= bject:</b> Re: [netmod] comments on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-fo= rmat-04<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></= p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 6:19 AM Bal=C3= =A1zs Lengyel <<a href=3D"mailto:balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com" target=3D"= _blank">balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><= blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;bo= rder-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm= 5pt 4.8pt"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<b>From:</b> Andy Bierma= n <<a href=3D"mailto:andy@yumaworks.com" target=3D"_blank">andy@yumawork= s.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> 2019. november 7., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k = 23:58<br><b>To:</b> Martin Bjorklund <<a href=3D"mailto:mbj@tail-f.com" = target=3D"_blank">mbj@tail-f.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = <<a href=3D"mailto:balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com" target=3D"_blank">balazs= .lengyel@ericsson.com</a>>; NetMod WG <<a href=3D"mailto:netmod@ietf.= org" target=3D"_blank">netmod@ietf.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [netm= od] comments on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04<u></u><u></u= ></p><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><d= iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal">It seems strange that the details that don't = matter at all (like the filename) have lots<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p = class=3D"MsoNormal">of rules that MUST be followed and the details that act= ually add standards value are left unspecified.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div= ><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Andy<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNor= mal">BALAZS2: Actually what is missing, unspecified?<u></u><u></u></p></div= ></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u>= </u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">The inline-schema is under= -specified.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">There is no = way for the file reader to know what to expect as the child nodes of inline= -schema.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></= div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">The file writer can put anything there and = a 3rd party reader tool is expected to support it.<u></u><u></u></p></div><= div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><pre style=3D"brea= k-before:page"><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 anydata inline-schema {</span><u></u><u></u>= </pre><pre><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 mandatory true;</span><u></u><u></u></= pre><pre><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 description</span><u></u><u></u></pre>= <pre><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 "Instance data correspondin= g to the YANG modules</span><u></u><u></u></pre><pre><span style=3D"color:b= lack">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 specified in the inline-module nodes defining the set= </span><u></u><u></u></pre><pre><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= of content defining YANG modules for this</span><u></u><u></u></pre><pre><= span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 instance-data-set.";=C2=A0<= /span><u></u><u></u></pre><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-s= ize:10pt;color:black">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0}</span>=C2= =A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u>= </p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p= class=3D"MsoNormal">Andy<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u>= </u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(197,90,17)">= BALAZS3:</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"colo= r:rgb(197,90,17)">IMO the anydata is specified.=C2=A0 The leaf-list inline-= module defines the modules that define how anydata inline-schema should loo= k like.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color= :rgb(197,90,17)">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 anydata inline-schema {</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">= <span style=3D"color:rgb(197,90,17)">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 mandatory true;</span><u></u><u></u></= p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(197,90,17)">=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 description</s= pan><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(197,9= 0,17)">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 "<b><i>Instance data corresponding to the YANG modu= les</i></b></span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span styl= e=3D"color:rgb(197,90,17)">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 specified in the inline-module</= span></i></b><span style=3D"color:rgb(197,90,17)"> ...</span><u></u><u></u>= </p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(197,90,17)">=C2=A0</spa= n><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(197,90,= 17)">The fileReader/fileWriter shall look at the =E2=80=98<i>leaf-list inli= ne-module</i>=E2=80=99 and from that it knows what to read/write.</span><u>= </u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(197,90,17)">= =C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:= rgb(197,90,17)">I wanted to state that inline-schema anydata always follows= the ietf-yang-library and maybe some YAMs augmenting it. However Juergen i= nsisted in a more flexible solution.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></= div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></= u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div>= <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I think the following text (or similar) should be ad= ded to the description-stmt above<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"M= soNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 This node SHOULD contain a single container instance which represent= s either the /yang-library=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"Ms= oNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0or /modules-state subtree.<u></u><u></u></p></= div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class= =3D"MsoNormal">This allows for exceptions but still provides interoperabili= ty instructions.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>= =C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>= </div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Andy<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class= =3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">BA= LAZS4: Others (e.g., Juergen) explicitly asked for not restricting this to = ietf-yang-library. <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I would be happ= y with your proposals, but the group decided otherwise sometime back.<u></u= ><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0</p></div></div></div></div= ></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div>A tool has to b= e coded to understand the contents of the anydata node.</div><div>Just pars= ing it is not enough.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div></div><div><br></div><div>Is there a= n email thread this is discussed and resolved?</div><div>The term SHOULD al= lows the rule to be broken with a good reason.=C2=A0</div><div>What other d= ata structures are needed now (or soon) other than /modules-state or /yang-= library?</div><div>I do not see how this file is interoperable if the reade= r does not know what to expect.</div><div>Flexibility without interoperabil= ity is not success.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s= tyle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);pad= ding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"gmail-m_140275518810781168= 4WordSection1"><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u></p><p class=3D= "MsoNormal">Also I foresee there might be (there will be) =C2=A0YANG module= s that augment yang-library =C2=A0with information needed here. <u></u><u><= /u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I am thinking about yang-versioning that plan= s to add the version-label, which will help determining which versions of t= he of the YANG module are compatible with the originally used schema defini= ng modules.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0</p></div>= </div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I do not see how a= ugment is relevant to this interoperability issue.</div><div><br></div><div= ><br></div><div>Andy</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote= " style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);= padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"gmail-m_140275518810781= 1684WordSection1"><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u></p><p class= =3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u= ></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u= ></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bo= ttom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;ma= rgin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoN= ormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><= /div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div> --00000000000009a9bd0597a7fb35-- From nobody Mon Nov 18 18:18:07 2019 Return-Path: <lberger@labn.net> X-Original-To: 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yes Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/3TtssTTP-Y2XClb0JlHqXfq0k6w> Subject: [netmod] today's session info X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list <netmod.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/netmod/> List-Post: <mailto:netmod@ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 02:18:06 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------B7DD230B4DB57A823674EE22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit FYI Tuesday, November 19, 2019 (+08) Session 1        "10:00-12:00        Tuesday Morning session I" Session 2        "15:20-16:50        Tuesday Afternoon session II" Slides: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/106/session/netmod Etherpad: https://etherpad.ietf.org/p/notes-ietf-106-netmod Meetecho: http://www.meetecho.com/ietf106/netmod/ Jabber:        xmpp:netmod@jabber.ietf.org?join --------------B7DD230B4DB57A823674EE22 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit <html> <head> <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"> </head> <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> <p>FYI</p> <div id="magicdomid11" class="ace-line" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><span class="" style="margin: 0px; padding: 1px 0px; cursor: auto;">                                    Tuesday, November 19, 2019 (+08)</span></div> <div id="magicdomid12" class="ace-line" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><span class="" style="margin: 0px; padding: 1px 0px; cursor: auto;">                               Session 1        "10:00-12:00        Tuesday Morning session I"</span></div> <div id="magicdomid13" class="ace-line" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><span class="" style="margin: 0px; padding: 1px 0px; cursor: auto;">                               Session 2        "15:20-16:50        Tuesday Afternoon session II"</span></div> <div id="magicdomid14" class="ace-line" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><span class="" style="margin: 0px; padding: 1px 0px; cursor: auto;"> </span></div> <div id="magicdomid15" class="ace-line" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><span class="" style="margin: 0px; padding: 1px 0px; cursor: auto;">                               Slides:       <span> </span></span><span class=" url" style="margin: 0px; padding: 1px 0px; cursor: auto;"><a href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/106/session/netmod" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap; cursor: pointer !important;">https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/106/session/netmod</a></span></div> <div id="magicdomid16" class="ace-line" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><span class="" style="margin: 0px; padding: 1px 0px; cursor: auto;">                               Etherpad:       <span> </span></span><span class=" url" style="margin: 0px; padding: 1px 0px; cursor: auto;"><a href="https://etherpad.ietf.org/p/notes-ietf-106-netmod" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap; cursor: pointer !important;">https://etherpad.ietf.org/p/notes-ietf-106-netmod</a></span></div> <div id="magicdomid17" class="ace-line" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial, sans-serif; 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Message-ID: <87pnhonpor.fsf@nic.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/00zmS2OzaMq7Vyb7IsHf-LDTOi4> Subject: [netmod] IANA registries and YANG X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list <netmod.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/netmod/> List-Post: <mailto:netmod@ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 10:09:01 -0000 Hi, I would like to discuss the issue of developing YANG modules that mirror IANA registries. The main objection, raised in DNSOP WG in relation to draft-lhotka-dnsop-iana-class-type-yang-02, was that the RFC containing the initial revision of the module doesn't get updated along with the IANA registry (IANA is expected to keep the module in sync without updating the RFC). As a result implementors can use the obsolete snapshot from the RFC. I am aware of three solution proposals: 1. use some kind of template instead of a YANG module 2. include only two or three entries of the registry as examples so that it is clear that it is not the complete list 3. keep the module in the document during the whole I-D stage but instruct the RFC Editor to remove it just before it becomes RFC. I am personally in favour of #3. According to Randy Presuhn, who proposed it, this procedure was used during the preparation of BCP 47. It would require some extra coordination with with IANA but, apart from that, it should IMO work well and avoid the problem mentioned above. Thanks, Lada -- Ladislav Lhotka Head, CZ.NIC Labs PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 From nobody Tue Nov 19 02:17:27 2019 Return-Path: <mbj@tail-f.com> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A46FA1208B1 for <netmod@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 02:17:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k8tm4YykQmgE for <netmod@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 02:17:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC2091208AD for <netmod@ietf.org>; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 02:17:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (h-4-44.A165.priv.bahnhof.se [158.174.4.44]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 43B3D1AE018B; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 11:17:19 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 11:17:19 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <20191119.111719.159939836067629500.mbj@tail-f.com> To: lhotka@nic.cz Cc: netmod@ietf.org From: Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com> In-Reply-To: <87pnhonpor.fsf@nic.cz> References: <87pnhonpor.fsf@nic.cz> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.8 on Emacs 25.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/7jXGwpADTxv28kc8DVt7AOiqJxU> Subject: Re: [netmod] IANA registries and YANG X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list <netmod.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/netmod/> List-Post: <mailto:netmod@ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 10:17:26 -0000 Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz> wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to discuss the issue of developing YANG modules that > mirror IANA registries. The main objection, raised in DNSOP WG in > relation to draft-lhotka-dnsop-iana-class-type-yang-02, was that the > RFC containing the initial revision of the module doesn't get updated > along with the IANA registry (IANA is expected to keep the module in > sync without updating the RFC). As a result implementors can use the > obsolete snapshot from the RFC. > > I am aware of three solution proposals: > > 1. use some kind of template instead of a YANG module > > 2. include only two or three entries of the registry as examples so > that it is clear that it is not the complete list > > 3. keep the module in the document during the whole I-D stage but > instruct the RFC Editor to remove it just before it becomes RFC. Do you mean that the RFC editor removes it and the RFC just points to the IANA registry? And then the RFC editor hands it over to IANA so that they can use it as an initial version to be published? As long as the instructions to the RFC editor are clear, I think this can work. /martin > > I am personally in favour of #3. According to Randy Presuhn, who > proposed it, this procedure was used during the preparation of BCP > 47. It would require some extra coordination with with IANA but, apart > from that, it should IMO work well and avoid the problem mentioned > above. > > Thanks, Lada > > -- > Ladislav Lhotka > Head, CZ.NIC Labs > PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > From nobody Tue Nov 19 02:23:28 2019 Return-Path: <lberger@labn.net> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 428681208AB for <netmod@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 02:23:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <B8F9A780D330094D99AF023C5877DABAA945C6B9@dggeml511-mbx.china.huawei.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-Source-L: Yes X-Exim-ID: 1iX0Ty-000MAe-EA X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: ([IPv6:::1]) [127.0.0.1]:16827 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 3 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== X-Org: HG=bhcustomer;ORG=bluehost; X-Local-Domain: yes Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/TdTg_Uo_nuHeRP6KZ-iDtzDH2J0> Subject: Re: [netmod] Question draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list <netmod.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/netmod/> List-Post: <mailto:netmod@ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 10:23:26 -0000 Qin,     if you want to  be agnostic of protocol, the document will need to be updated from its current netconf specific form. Thanks, Lou On 11/19/2019 2:45 AM, Qin Wu wrote: > Talking with our coauthors, we believe should not limit usage of this > model only to netconf. Other protocols could be applied. Let us know > if any update is needed. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 吴钦 Qin > Mobile：+86-13914734360 <tel:+86-13914734360>(Mobile Number) > Email：bill.wu@huawei.com <mailto:bill.wu@huawei.com> > > > > *发件人： *Lou Berger<lberger@labn.net <mailto:lberger@labn.net>> > *收件人： > *draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang<draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang@ietf.org > <mailto:draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang@ietf.org>>;NETMOD > Group<netmod@ietf.org <mailto:netmod@ietf.org>> > *主题： *[netmod] Question draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang > *时间： *2019-11-19 16:23:41 > > Hi, > >      Authors, is there a reason tat the body of the text is only focused > on netconf?  Why would you limit this work to any specific protocol? > > Thanks, > > Lou > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod From nobody Tue Nov 19 02:29:48 2019 Return-Path: <lhotka@nic.cz> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00A5A1208C3 for <netmod@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 02:29:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.997 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.997 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nic.cz Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CRDshvKuiNdK for <netmod@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 02:29:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.nic.cz (mail.nic.cz [IPv6:2001:1488:800:400::400]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CCDC31200D5 for <netmod@ietf.org>; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 02:29:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from birdie (dhcp-9c3a.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.156.58]) by mail.nic.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 75009140DBA; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 11:29:34 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=nic.cz; s=default; t=1574159376; bh=gXRiRH5NRTBKmmrjcmcldE4FVR4zcv6smyo+TgD1ifA=; h=From:To:Date; b=us4AtDO4HNjBQQr9sQqghqIi/HJJ3yCAawIqRBUJPciXI2I5CZBTuJJ3qkyUDYSvu bi76OhU0VXpEFRA8qug4XiUXQe3ZwDYx61Fnlw1blyY6w8+4w33iGflfgHV9IBm7pb QvtjZ4HEa3Jcbk2QwTkac5g6ygnSR+BUcumbkPCk= Message-ID: <73f815fa5b762de04c798698747c62225f212520.camel@nic.cz> From: Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz> To: Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com> Cc: netmod@ietf.org Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 18:29:28 +0800 In-Reply-To: <20191119.111719.159939836067629500.mbj@tail-f.com> References: <87pnhonpor.fsf@nic.cz> <20191119.111719.159939836067629500.mbj@tail-f.com> Organization: CZ.NIC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" User-Agent: Evolution 3.34.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.100.3 at mail.nic.cz X-Virus-Status: Clean Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/26_Zj_xePXRBNAvKdr_qlnHPJQc> Subject: Re: [netmod] IANA registries and YANG X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list <netmod.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/netmod/> List-Post: <mailto:netmod@ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 10:29:47 -0000 On Tue, 2019-11-19 at 11:17 +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I would like to discuss the issue of developing YANG modules that > > mirror IANA registries. The main objection, raised in DNSOP WG in > > relation to draft-lhotka-dnsop-iana-class-type-yang-02, was that the > > RFC containing the initial revision of the module doesn't get updated > > along with the IANA registry (IANA is expected to keep the module in > > sync without updating the RFC). As a result implementors can use the > > obsolete snapshot from the RFC. > > > > I am aware of three solution proposals: > > > > 1. use some kind of template instead of a YANG module > > > > 2. include only two or three entries of the registry as examples so > > that it is clear that it is not the complete list > > > > 3. keep the module in the document during the whole I-D stage but > > instruct the RFC Editor to remove it just before it becomes RFC. > > Do you mean that the RFC editor removes it and the RFC just points to > the IANA registry? And then the RFC editor hands it over to IANA so > that they can use it as an initial version to be published? Yes. The final RFC would then only describe and explain the design of the module, which is useful in itself (because there are several possible options for translating a registry to YANG). > > As long as the instructions to the RFC editor are clear, I think this > can work. We have to work out the details and discuss it with IANA, but it shouldn't IMO be too difficult. And the draft in DNSOP can be used as a guinea pig. Lada > > > > /martin > > > > > > I am personally in favour of #3. According to Randy Presuhn, who > > proposed it, this procedure was used during the preparation of BCP > > 47. It would require some extra coordination with with IANA but, apart > > from that, it should IMO work well and avoid the problem mentioned > > above. > > > > Thanks, Lada > > > > -- > > Ladislav Lhotka > > Head, CZ.NIC Labs > > PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > netmod mailing list > > netmod@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > -- Ladislav Lhotka Head, CZ.NIC Labs PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 From nobody Tue Nov 19 03:27:57 2019 Return-Path: <bill.wu@huawei.com> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E4CF12091B; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 03:27:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8s8fwZ4oxrZL; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 03:27:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B2F5D12086E; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 03:27:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from LHREML710-CAH.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.107]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 33E0ECB7DB9DA0B4AB63; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 11:27:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lhreml713-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.64) by LHREML710-CAH.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.33) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 11:27:50 +0000 Received: from lhreml713-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.64) by lhreml713-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.64) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1713.5; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 11:27:50 +0000 Received: from DGGEML424-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.1.199.41) by lhreml713-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.64) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA) id 15.1.1713.5 via Frontend Transport; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 11:27:50 +0000 Received: from DGGEML511-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.1.41]) by dggeml424-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.1.199.41]) with mapi id 14.03.0439.000; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 19:27:45 +0800 From: Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.com> To: "netmod@ietf.org" <netmod@ietf.org>, "netconf@ietf.org" <netconf@ietf.org>, "opsawg@ietf.org" <opsawg@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: IETF YANG Side meeting on YANG Use Cases Thread-Index: AdWezIPD97i+gpdvQc+ol1zLtLScyQ== Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 11:27:44 +0000 Message-ID: <B8F9A780D330094D99AF023C5877DABAA945DC8E@dggeml511-mbx.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.52.34.60] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_B8F9A780D330094D99AF023C5877DABAA945DC8Edggeml511mbxchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/JvdQCbwhis_AbwsmYzYya-P2QPw> Subject: [netmod] IETF YANG Side meeting on YANG Use Cases X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list <netmod.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/netmod/> List-Post: <mailto:netmod@ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 11:27:55 -0000 --_000_B8F9A780D330094D99AF023C5877DABAA945DC8Edggeml511mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Folks: Continuing the last IETF side meeting on Next step of IETF YANG (which is n= ot targeted YANG modeling language discussion), we would like to have anoth= er YANG side meeting (https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ietf/meeting/wiki/106sidem= eetings) to investigate on some use cases to see how IETF YANG model intera= ct with other model or Mechanisms. How IETF YANG are put together to delive= r service. The meeting time is: Wednesday afternoon 4:30~5:30 The meeting room is : Bras Basah Feel free to join the discussion. Thanks! -Qin Wu --_000_B8F9A780D330094D99AF023C5877DABAA945DC8Edggeml511mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-micr= osoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:m=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns=3D"http:= //www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii"= > <meta name=3D"Generator" content=3D"Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"> <style><!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:SimSun; panose-1:2 1 6 0 3 1 1 1 1 1;} @font-face {font-family:"Cambria Math"; panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:SimSun; panose-1:2 1 6 0 3 1 1 1 1 1;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0cm; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:SimSun;} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:#0563C1; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {mso-style-priority:99; color:#954F72; text-decoration:underline;} span.EmailStyle17 {mso-style-type:personal-compose; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:windowtext;} p.gmail-m4974312053836319346msolistparagraph, li.gmail-m4974312053836319346= msolistparagraph, div.gmail-m4974312053836319346msolistparagraph {mso-style-name:gmail-m_4974312053836319346msolistparagraph; mso-margin-top-alt:auto; margin-right:0cm; mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; margin-left:0cm; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:SimSun;} .MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;} /* Page Definitions */ @page WordSection1 {size:612.0pt 792.0pt; margin:72.0pt 90.0pt 72.0pt 90.0pt;} div.WordSection1 {page:WordSection1;} --></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapedefaults v:ext=3D"edit" spidmax=3D"1026" /> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapelayout v:ext=3D"edit"> <o:idmap v:ext=3D"edit" data=3D"1" /> </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--> </head> <body lang=3D"ZH-CN" link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72" style=3D"text-justi= fy-trim:punctuation"> <div class=3D"WordSection1"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a= lt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">Hi, = Folks:<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a= lt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">Cont= inuing the last IETF side meeting on Next step of IETF YANG (which is not t= argeted YANG modeling language discussion), we would like to have another YANG side meeting (https://trac.ietf.org/tra= c/ietf/meeting/wiki/106sidemeetings) to investigate on some use cases to se= e how IETF YANG model interact with other model or Mechanisms. How IETF YAN= G are put together to deliver service.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a= lt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">The = meeting time is: Wednesday afternoon 4:30~5:30<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a= lt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">The = meeting room is : Bras Basah<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a= lt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">Feel= free to join the discussion. Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a= lt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">-Qin= Wu<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </body> </html> --_000_B8F9A780D330094D99AF023C5877DABAA945DC8Edggeml511mbxchi_-- From nobody Tue Nov 19 03:48:30 2019 Return-Path: <ietfc@btconnect.com> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 095CA1208F1 for <netmod@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 03:48:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.248 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.248 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RATWARE_MS_HASH=2.148, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=btconnect.onmicrosoft.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l1hO966nS-V9 for <netmod@ietfa.amsl.com>; 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DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:DB7PR07MB4585; H:DB7PR07MB5147.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; LANG:en; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:0; MX:1; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: btconnect.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) x-ms-exchange-senderadcheck: 1 x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: 63ZMbzNjcmI7FbcSI4QsMMMK3wmr/hiGF6fuQPufHWPwQ20I06bH3CHwAwGSr3npmwkle+Q3KjqhKYGDzYQtimTPMDE9VJ7mAg61SpUleETFCTIsHpRKp2fD6nFz8gI0TANhDOkREy9r7SfG9srKaLjWymj//xttypTxZU7q6AJXZfTX8W0j4B0iHrbNaPSszPajm8JvRdS13b08Ja/EbfyzwUoxEt9vK/CxNMeXL1NgLNU100ofKVm+Q1+sMhlTRMRkqclZYAQDom3Ec8qg62vqp0a8QpNWGTOgKyyzYA8Hwd6WYxyD3xqkprB+A+2X+Si7G6vAWAvVsdzebltNKyjk0SAM+gWUA3MHhEj6MKnpoLZK77SDdLs+EtPLXPkBn2DuZ02Wz84CpefRuPrhBS3IZwwLC84EK2tSNLnnsjJSo+iWtC7G5ef4B/Pw3FtMdoJ66VLld5YrYwyZSRX2UVUesdxK32S7J9UkB/+M/F4= x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: <9D2DF215AF4B6B46A99CBB33D89B9A61@eurprd07.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: btconnect.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: e3b75659-7fc8-4601-14e4-08d76ce661f4 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 19 Nov 2019 11:48:24.1136 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: cf8853ed-96e5-465b-9185-806bfe185e30 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: MOy/G8vf8rEwGJOFeQJkdMe2f4qh8m+6QxK8ynblJoEXzshe9PMoVnUoUiyqiuszRb2MmwGvefUmK31o2TKk8g== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DB7PR07MB4585 Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/1y-UvXsyq-EisO2k60kjHMCxNQc> Subject: Re: [netmod] IANA registries and YANG X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list <netmod.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/netmod/> List-Post: <mailto:netmod@ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 11:48:29 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ladislav Lhotka" <lhotka@nic.cz> To: "Martin Bjorklund" <mbj@tail-f.com> Cc: <netmod@ietf.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 10:29 AM > On Tue, 2019-11-19 at 11:17 +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > > Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I would like to discuss the issue of developing YANG modules that > > > mirror IANA registries. The main objection, raised in DNSOP WG in > > > relation to draft-lhotka-dnsop-iana-class-type-yang-02, was that the > > > RFC containing the initial revision of the module doesn't get updated > > > along with the IANA registry (IANA is expected to keep the module in > > > sync without updating the RFC). As a result implementors can use the > > > obsolete snapshot from the RFC. > > > > > > I am aware of three solution proposals: > > > > > > 1. use some kind of template instead of a YANG module > > > > > > 2. include only two or three entries of the registry as examples so > > > that it is clear that it is not the complete list > > > > > > 3. keep the module in the document during the whole I-D stage but > > > instruct the RFC Editor to remove it just before it becomes RFC. > > > > Do you mean that the RFC editor removes it and the RFC just points to > > the IANA registry? And then the RFC editor hands it over to IANA so > > that they can use it as an initial version to be published? > > Yes. The final RFC would then only describe and explain the design of the > module, which is useful in itself (because there are several possible options > for translating a registry to YANG). > > > > > As long as the instructions to the RFC editor are clear, I think this > > can work. > > We have to work out the details and discuss it with IANA, but it shouldn't IMO > be too difficult. And the draft in DNSOP can be used as a guinea pig. I think that this is a bad idea; we have been handing over modules to IANA to maintain since 1999 and I have not seen much in the way of troubles in the intervening decades. I want the RFC to contain the initial version of the module - otherwise, we have no record of the initial version. What we should do is make it clear that it is the initial version and will not be maintained e.g. in the description and revision clauses 'The initial version of this module was published in RFCXXXX; the current version can be found at https:// ...iana ... " Tom Petch > > Lada > > > > > > > > > /martin > > > > > > > > > > I am personally in favour of #3. According to Randy Presuhn, who > > > proposed it, this procedure was used during the preparation of BCP > > > 47. It would require some extra coordination with with IANA but, apart > > > from that, it should IMO work well and avoid the problem mentioned > > > above. > > > > > > Thanks, Lada > > > > > > -- > > > Ladislav Lhotka > > > Head, CZ.NIC Labs > > > PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > netmod mailing list > > > netmod@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > > -- > Ladislav Lhotka > Head, CZ.NIC Labs > PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod From nobody Tue Nov 19 05:39:46 2019 Return-Path: <lhotka@nic.cz> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BDC8120922 for <netmod@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 05:39:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.997 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.997 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nic.cz Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o9vwyGkF1lbr for <netmod@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 05:39:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.nic.cz (mail.nic.cz [217.31.204.67]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8634C120921 for <netmod@ietf.org>; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 05:39:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from birdie (dhcp-9c3a.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.156.58]) by mail.nic.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 79B09140DC1; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 14:39:36 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=nic.cz; s=default; t=1574170778; bh=xuBQB979u4r8GbyuXowFM2/mUQUC1I/AYZ9BdhmNclU=; h=From:To:Date; b=F40mtVtP9aiwhRyu37+AiUQZP8kzWy4vlskuSgc7avBLeGaYKEMk8DZxG4cMh+Gh+ 7XfoiOQw1y7zqJ6/F24x3MTGk3v6PQGl1phxD8RVbhdrv3I0kgzFFej8SJ9p0zPnM3 qp0FK03WRApykRipQUK+jZacZM8T2D6SKsf88SWU= Message-ID: <2d543c876f4c6ba14a5c059fc15374dfd2b3041a.camel@nic.cz> From: Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz> To: tom petch <ietfc@btconnect.com>, Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com> Cc: "netmod@ietf.org" <netmod@ietf.org> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 21:39:32 +0800 In-Reply-To: <06a001d59ecf$2fb04e00$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> References: <87pnhonpor.fsf@nic.cz> <20191119.111719.159939836067629500.mbj@tail-f.com> <73f815fa5b762de04c798698747c62225f212520.camel@nic.cz> <06a001d59ecf$2fb04e00$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> Organization: CZ.NIC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" User-Agent: Evolution 3.34.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.100.3 at mail.nic.cz X-Virus-Status: Clean Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/rz2xqycqaVjeoTQ8Np58dg2SSks> Subject: Re: [netmod] IANA registries and YANG X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list <netmod.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/netmod/> List-Post: <mailto:netmod@ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 13:39:45 -0000 On Tue, 2019-11-19 at 11:48 +0000, tom petch wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ladislav Lhotka" <lhotka@nic.cz> > To: "Martin Bjorklund" <mbj@tail-f.com> > Cc: <netmod@ietf.org> > Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 10:29 AM > > > On Tue, 2019-11-19 at 11:17 +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > > > Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I would like to discuss the issue of developing YANG modules that > > > > mirror IANA registries. The main objection, raised in DNSOP WG in > > > > relation to draft-lhotka-dnsop-iana-class-type-yang-02, was that > the > > > > RFC containing the initial revision of the module doesn't get > updated > > > > along with the IANA registry (IANA is expected to keep the module > in > > > > sync without updating the RFC). As a result implementors can use > the > > > > obsolete snapshot from the RFC. > > > > > > > > I am aware of three solution proposals: > > > > > > > > 1. use some kind of template instead of a YANG module > > > > > > > > 2. include only two or three entries of the registry as examples > so > > > > that it is clear that it is not the complete list > > > > > > > > 3. keep the module in the document during the whole I-D stage but > > > > instruct the RFC Editor to remove it just before it becomes > RFC. > > > Do you mean that the RFC editor removes it and the RFC just points > to > > > the IANA registry? And then the RFC editor hands it over to IANA so > > > that they can use it as an initial version to be published? > > > > Yes. The final RFC would then only describe and explain the design of > the > > module, which is useful in itself (because there are several possible > options > > for translating a registry to YANG). > > > > > As long as the instructions to the RFC editor are clear, I think > this > > > can work. > > > > We have to work out the details and discuss it with IANA, but it > shouldn't IMO > > be too difficult. And the draft in DNSOP can be used as a guinea pig. > > I think that this is a bad idea; we have been handing over modules to > IANA to maintain since 1999 and I have not seen much in the way of > troubles in the intervening decades. I guess everyone in this mailing list will agree that this issue is largely a red herring, but it seems that our draft in DNSOP cannot move forward without solving it. For those with masochistic inclination, here is a typical ML thread: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dnsop/0AjdiR8htN_vjglimt1b7z10V_E DNSOP chairs don't want to take a stance and hope that the IESG will resolve this issue somehow - but this is of course not going to happen. > > I want the RFC to contain the initial version of the module - otherwise, > we have no record of the initial version. Why do you need the initial version? After all, it is just a random snapshot of the registry that is used to explain to IANA how the module is supposed to be updated. > > What we should do is make it clear that it is the initial version and > will not be maintained e.g. in the description and revision clauses > > 'The initial version of this module was published in RFCXXXX; the > current version can be found at > https:// ...iana ... > " I suggested something like this repeatedly, without any significant success. What else can we do? Lada > > Tom Petch > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lada > > > > > > > > > > > /martin > > > > > > > > > > I am personally in favour of #3. According to Randy Presuhn, who > > > > proposed it, this procedure was used during the preparation of BCP > > > > 47. It would require some extra coordination with with IANA but, > apart > > > > from that, it should IMO work well and avoid the problem mentioned > > > > above. > > > > > > > > Thanks, Lada > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Ladislav Lhotka > > > > Head, CZ.NIC Labs > > > > PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > netmod mailing list > > > > netmod@ietf.org > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > > > > -- > > Ladislav Lhotka > > Head, CZ.NIC Labs > > PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > netmod mailing list > > netmod@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod -- Ladislav Lhotka Head, CZ.NIC Labs PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 From nobody Tue Nov 19 07:58:56 2019 Return-Path: <i_bryskin@yahoo.com> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF8F712095B for <netmod@ietfa.amsl.com>; 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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lou, Qin, All.=20 I am glad you asked this. I thought about the same thing quite a bit myself= . I wish you asked this 2 years back ;)=20 There are several=C2=A0 things to consider.=C2=A0 To name some:=20 1. How the client configures the ECAs. Currently=C2=A0 we suggest using NET= CONF/RESTCONF,, but any configuration protocol could be, of course used jus= t as well.=20 2. How do we express ECA components,=C2=A0 such as Action? Today we suggest= in the form of NETCONF RPCs (either native, such as edit-config for re-con= figurations, or YANG model defined, such as TE path computations). But othe= r platforms/modeling languages, such as, most obviously,=C2=A0 gNMI/gRPC/pr= otonufs could be used just as well.=20 3.How an ECA execution thread talks to the client? Today we suggest using P= USH/PUSH extensions, but this could be expanded to communication channels o= f other types.=20 4. Etc.=20 In short, I like the suggestion very much. My only concern is this: we were= told that we are setting already bar too high. It would be better to limit= the work's scope to relatively simple PUSH extension to enable some basic = RMON, elementary smart filters, etc. Your suggestion pushes the work in qui= te different direction - generic network ECA style automation.=20 I'd be happy to work on that, but I suggest to keep the generic architectur= e in mind as the end game and focus on delivering NETCONF/YANG solution fir= st. This done quickly and properly, the generic extensions would be relativ= ely straightforward IMHO.=20 Igor=20 Get Outlook for Android On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 5:23 AM -0500, "Lou Berger" <lberger@labn.net> wrot= e: Qin, =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 if you want to=C2=A0 be agnostic of protocol, the docum= ent will need to=20 be updated from its current netconf specific form. Thanks, Lou On 11/19/2019 2:45 AM, Qin Wu wrote: > Talking with our coauthors, we believe should not limit usage of this=20 > model only to netconf. Other protocols could be applied. Let us know=20 > if any update is needed. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > =E5=90=B4=E9=92=A6 Qin > Mobile=EF=BC=9A+86-13914734360 (Mobile Number) > Email=EF=BC=9Abill.wu@huawei.com=20 > > > > *=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9A *Lou Berger> > *=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9A=20 > *draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang >;NETMOD=20 > Group> > *=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98=EF=BC=9A *[netmod] Question draft-wwx-netmod-event-ya= ng > *=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4=EF=BC=9A *2019-11-19 16:23:41 > > Hi, > > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Authors, is there a reason tat the body of the t= ext is only focused > on netconf?=C2=A0 Why would you limit this work to any specific protocol? > > Thanks, > > Lou > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod _______________________________________________ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod ------=_Part_20851_1584750877.1574179128200 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><head></head><body><div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"direction: ltr; margin:= 0; padding: 0; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black; ">L= ou, Qin, All. <br> <br> </div> <div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"direction: ltr; margin: 0; padding: 0; font-fami= ly: sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black; ">I am glad you asked this. = I thought about the same thing quite a bit myself. I wish you asked this 2 = years back ;) <br> <br> </div> <div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"direction: ltr; margin: 0; padding: 0; font-fami= ly: sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black; ">There are several  th= ings to consider.  To name some: <br> </div> <div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"direction: ltr; margin: 0; padding: 0; font-fami= ly: sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black; ">1. How the client configur= es the ECAs. Currently  we suggest using NETCONF/RESTCONF,, but any co= nfiguration protocol could be, of course used just as well. <br> </div> <div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"direction: ltr; margin: 0; padding: 0; font-fami= ly: sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black; ">2. How do we express ECA c= omponents,  such as Action? Today we suggest in the form of NETCONF RP= Cs (either native, such as edit-config for re-configurations, or YANG model= defined, such as TE path computations). But other platforms/modeling langu= ages, such as, most obviously,  gNMI/gRPC/protonufs could be used just= as well. <br> </div> <div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"direction: ltr; margin: 0; padding: 0; font-fami= ly: sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black; ">3.How an ECA execution thr= ead talks to the client? Today we suggest using PUSH/PUSH extensions, but t= his could be expanded to communication channels of other types. <br> </div> <div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"direction: ltr; margin: 0; padding: 0; font-fami= ly: sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black; ">4. Etc. <br> <br> </div> <div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"direction: ltr; margin: 0; padding: 0; font-fami= ly: sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black; ">In short, I like the sugge= stion very much. My only concern is this: we were told that we are setting = already bar too high. It would be better to limit the work's scope to relat= ively simple PUSH extension to enable some basic RMON, elementary smart fil= ters, etc. Your suggestion pushes the work in quite different direction - g= eneric network ECA style automation. <br> </div> <div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"direction: ltr; margin: 0; padding: 0; font-fami= ly: sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black; ">I'd be happy to work on th= at, but I suggest to keep the generic architecture in mind as the end game = and focus on delivering NETCONF/YANG solution first. This done quickly and = properly, the generic extensions would be relatively straightforward IMHO. = <br> <br> </div> <div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"direction: ltr; margin: 0; padding: 0; font-fami= ly: sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black; ">Igor <br> <br> </div> <div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"direction: ltr; margin: 0; padding: 0; font-fami= ly: sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black; "><span id=3D"OutlookSignatu= re"><div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"direction: ltr; margin: 0; padding: 0; font-= family: sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black; ">Get <a href=3D"https:/= /aka.ms/ghei36">Outlook for Android</a></div> </span><br> </div> <br><br><br> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 5:23 AM -0500, "Lou Berg= er" <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:lberger@labn.net" target=3D"_bl= ank">lberger@labn.net</a>></span> wrote:<br> <br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div dir=3D"3D"ltr""> <pre>Qin,     if you want to  be agnostic of protocol, the docum= ent will need to=20 be updated from its current netconf specific form. Thanks, Lou On 11/19/2019 2:45 AM, Qin Wu wrote: > Talking with our coauthors, we believe should not limit usage of this= =20 > model only to netconf. Other protocols could be applied. Let us know= =20 > if any update is needed. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -- > =E5=90=B4=E9=92=A6 Qin > Mobile=EF=BC=9A+86-13914734360 <tel:+86-13914734360>(Mobile Number) > Email=EF=BC=9Abill.wu@huawei.com <mailto:bill.wu@huawei.com> > > > > *=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9A *Lou Berger<lberger@labn.net <ma= ilto:lberger@labn.net>> > *=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9A=20 > *draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang<draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang@ietf.org> <ma= ilto:draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang@ietf.org>>;NETMOD=20 > Group<netmod@ietf.org <mailto:netmod@ietf.org>> > *=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98=EF=BC=9A *[netmod] Question draft-wwx-netmod-event= -yang > *=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4=EF=BC=9A *2019-11-19 16:23:41 > > Hi, > >      Authors, is there a reason tat the body of th= e text is only focused > on netconf?  Why would you limit this work to any specific protoc= ol? > > Thanks, > > Lou > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod _______________________________________________ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod </netmod@ietf.org></mailto:draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang@ietf.org></draft-wwx= -netmod-event-yang@ietf.org></lberger@labn.net></mailto:bill.wu@huawei.com>= </tel:+86-13914734360></pre> </div> </blockquote> </div> </body></html> ------=_Part_20851_1584750877.1574179128200-- From nobody Tue Nov 26 23:52:13 2019 Return-Path: <bart.bogaert@nokia.com> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAE94120802 for <netmod@ietfa.amsl.com>; 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DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:PR1PR07MB5034; H:PR1PR07MB5084.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; LANG:en; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: nokia.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) x-ms-exchange-senderadcheck: 1 x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: haqSAfz54PIXEO4CQ8TgbCV9y5nYFFbgL5+yl3b+RdcVtddfqgOvT2N0aaQHA8PEdk9aBX/jTdxyzT3IPEpuU5sqCMJAyhDMCA60DY40rD4Mp6eKAlDHGrHCqz1Y+GFLL2eUSnfL23RjomKZAlvw1/V5io6yEZhycGDfuzVxLyc5mDGGmaQLEgWWsgY3It0jvNbiAYkqeLeDvWx12bPYflcSi8nPIgVb/YEqyQEhi47Dl+CIbQtHF1EVY9Uj9mprVawOvpXe+DJa/Av3na9QWvinodPT5wJsmj6Ra0ezEcWojICdADY/SdWiRJpww4Ipg5G42f6ILc3n+hvKwR0674qKMYXRVnqgwAMyqXZtJ7nyfeKJtWHRsgPvTtYaNbRlFNXWV5u+hKoSvO1h7cVq8Zagpk5k5Ej9Muq/shMgBtUdOa4rrdjNhMYtkLL7YHXG x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_PR1PR07MB5084895F5DBBA09EA1ADE2B494440PR1PR07MB5084eurp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: nokia.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 780b65a9-c063-44af-a122-08d7730eb2d3 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 27 Nov 2019 07:52:06.2105 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 5d471751-9675-428d-917b-70f44f9630b0 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: LlEj4siiO64swPMkt/62IIENUvfjKRC5cXgYeyBDEj2QcebOATuJ5D7TPEjpmnEGBcGc6t6lKSQEDDu2b8iFzQ== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: PR1PR07MB5034 Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/D9wBcEUUea5WPQmpMe1IpmbLYBs> Subject: [netmod] Question about schema-mount X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list <netmod.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/netmod/> List-Post: <mailto:netmod@ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 07:52:12 -0000 --_000_PR1PR07MB5084895F5DBBA09EA1ADE2B494440PR1PR07MB5084eurp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, We're trying to figure out whether it is possible to define a module in the= parent schema which would use a node being a leafref to a node in a model = under a mount point. I don't seem to find any statement that would prohibi= t this but RFC 8530, referred to from the schema mount RFC, uses a leafref = to a node in a module which is still in the list of YANG modules of the par= ent (and consequently in the YANG library of the parent). So, using RFC8530 as example: Instead of lne:bind-lne-name being a leafref to /logical-network-elements/l= ogical-network-element/name we would point to /logical-network-elements/log= ical-network-element/interfaces/interface/name. The interfaces YANG module is also part of the YANG library of the parent b= ut I'm not so sure whether above construction would work well as the inform= ation related to the mounted YANG modules is in a YANG library different fr= om the parent's YANG library. Note that there is also some confusion with the examples in RFC8530: while = the bind-lne-name in the YANG module is a leafref as syntax, the examples w= ork with a string as syntax for that same leaf. Best regards, Bart --_000_PR1PR07MB5084895F5DBBA09EA1ADE2B494440PR1PR07MB5084eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-micr= osoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:m=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns=3D"http:= //www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii"= > <meta name=3D"Generator" content=3D"Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"> <style><!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:"Cambria Math"; panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0cm; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; mso-fareast-language:EN-US;} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:#0563C1; 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I don’t seem to find any statement that would prohibit this but RFC 8530, referred to from the schema mount RFC, uses a = leafref to a node in a module which is still in the list of YANG modules of= the parent (and consequently in the YANG library of the parent).<o:p></o:p= ></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">So, using RFC8530 as example:<o= :p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Instead of lne:bind-lne-name be= ing a leafref to /logical-network-elements/logical-network-element/name we = would point to /logical-network-elements/logical-network-element/interfaces= /interface/name.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">The interfaces YANG module is a= lso part of the YANG library of the parent but I’m not so sure whethe= r above construction would work well as the information related to the moun= ted YANG modules is in a YANG library different from the parent’s YANG library.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Note that there is also some co= nfusion with the examples in RFC8530: while the bind-lne-name in the YANG m= odule is a leafref as syntax, the examples work with a string as syntax for= that same leaf.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Best regards, Bart<o:p></o:p></= span></p> </div> </body> </html> --_000_PR1PR07MB5084895F5DBBA09EA1ADE2B494440PR1PR07MB5084eurp_-- From nobody Wed Nov 27 06:35:35 2019 Return-Path: <noreply@ietf.org> X-Original-To: netmod@ietf.org Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B13F1208F0; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 06:35:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Carl Moberg via Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org> To: <yang-doctors@ietf.org> Cc: last-call@ietf.org, draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default.all@ietf.org, netmod@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.111.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Carl Moberg <calle@tail-f.com> Message-ID: <157486532395.21897.4045220357632951501@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 06:35:24 -0800 Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/e_TRWoMtLHT-8rVBRcDL3Bnk80g> Subject: [netmod] Yangdoctors last call review of draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-07 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETMOD WG list <netmod.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/netmod/> List-Post: <mailto:netmod@ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 14:35:24 -0000 Reviewer: Carl Moberg Review result: Ready with Nits This is my YANG doctors review of the ietf-factory-default.yang module as part of draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-07. The module cleanly passes validation using the YANG validator site and I have successfully loaded it into one NETCONF server implementation. This module is ready with a cosmetic nit and a suggestion. I suggest fixing the following textual nit: OLD configuration datastores (i.e.,<running> , <startup><candidate>) to their factory default content."; NEW: configuration datastores (i.e. <running>, <startup>, and <candidate>) to their factory default content."; I suggest adding a revision-date to the filename in the <CODE BEGINS> block. OLD: <CODE BEGINS> file "ietf-factory-default.yang" NEW: <CODE BEGINS> file "ietf-factory-default@2019-11-27.yang" (Obviously replacing the date with the release date of the module) From nobody Thu Nov 28 00:27:55 2019 Return-Path: <mbj@tail-f.com> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4435312003F for <netmod@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 00:27:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pHRFx-Mr2yYZ for <netmod@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 00:27:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4552F120019 for <netmod@ietf.org>; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 00:27:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (h-4-44.A165.priv.bahnhof.se [158.174.4.44]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A87D01AE02C9; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 09:27:38 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 09:27:38 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <20191128.092738.1831675400353812183.mbj@tail-f.com> To: bart.bogaert@nokia.com Cc: netmod@ietf.org From: Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com> In-Reply-To: <PR1PR07MB5084895F5DBBA09EA1ADE2B494440@PR1PR07MB5084.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com> References: <PR1PR07MB5084895F5DBBA09EA1ADE2B494440@PR1PR07MB5084.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.8 on Emacs 25.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/Ulp_Tc0rIC_KM2SCcTc1JdEQcH0> Subject: Re: [netmod] Question about schema-mount X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list <netmod.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/netmod/> List-Post: <mailto:netmod@ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 08:27:54 -0000 Hi, "Bogaert, Bart (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <bart.bogaert@nokia.com> wrote: > Hi, > > We're trying to figure out whether it is possible to define a module > in the parent schema which would use a node being a leafref to a node > in a model under a mount point. In order for this to work, the leafref target would have to be present at compile time / design time. RFC 8528 defines Design time, Implementation time, and Run time mounts, and says: "Design-time mounts are outside the scope of this document" (see section 1). Another alternative would be some new kind of "leafref-like" construct that supported this. What you can do though is to ensure the leaf in the parent module is of the same type as the mounted node you want to refer to, and explain in text what the semantics is. > I don't seem to find any statement > that would prohibit this but RFC 8530, referred to from the schema > mount RFC, uses a leafref to a node in a module which is still in the > list of YANG modules of the parent (and consequently in the YANG > library of the parent). > > So, using RFC8530 as example: > > Instead of lne:bind-lne-name being a leafref to > /logical-network-elements/logical-network-element/name we would point > to > /logical-network-elements/logical-network-element/interfaces/interface/name. > > The interfaces YANG module is also part of the YANG library of the > parent but I'm not so sure whether above construction would work well > as the information related to the mounted YANG modules is in a YANG > library different from the parent's YANG library. > > Note that there is also some confusion with the examples in RFC8530: > while the bind-lne-name in the YANG module is a leafref as syntax, the > examples work with a string as syntax for that same leaf. Do you mean the tree diagram? module: ietf-interfaces +--rw interfaces +--rw interface* [name] +--rw name string +--rw lne:bind-lne-name? string This looks like a bug to me; it should be a leafref. /martin From nobody Thu Nov 28 00:37:59 2019 Return-Path: <bart.bogaert@nokia.com> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C798120026 for <netmod@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 00:37:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nokia.onmicrosoft.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SPd-3--rnuct for <netmod@ietfa.amsl.com>; 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SRVR:PR1PR07MB4939; H:PR1PR07MB5084.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; LANG:en; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: nokia.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) x-ms-exchange-senderadcheck: 1 x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: dzuz4QSOKBvvJ4OmA9TOuxtGjYQ6JMrxdv9pHEveiCd/rHc1PIO6VpDeARozcNPdessGH7wr8ObhfPMKOmMB5SPieZYuUp6+MAhtAOWkXIv8+ooP0rT1W1bmbz4CybAM6tmQNfGkjyR0J79cN4TwJadIBBGUWkWIGvIdcEfaX5l3rkHdNScQuv5Svy+R3QLGmUAIHs4gj0av256Wkf4QJ3hwBn/Cb8teXpXzE91ZFkCEfc99NysvtkSsBsNvXZs0xLqfJBOarREQgvaDoUrpZimI9jXRfh/UcyBQarZ2maxZ7rXf5uA690Ua6K890OeEypr/TjOSdw5ir+ye0RMcTlsAbS4t6VfXjy+DmqYnwzhf3dI3wF4xmQ+SjNSLJbIDg4vJwz5Gdr3YSDQbLEJxwkR3FwNfJs41Z1bJD9y+zH2EVFRQwCVchKSzQddINxAA x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: nokia.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: e96abb54-f3ec-4649-14c2-08d773de420a X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 28 Nov 2019 08:37:52.3425 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 5d471751-9675-428d-917b-70f44f9630b0 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: P0aqpWj6rn5WT0uZPQHfc/w9KKRhJWZb3h5CXOyfI+RAmBUPSIr1qadcslOIc9ifdvDL56s+U6mRC9OHG6MPfw== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: PR1PR07MB4939 Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/NJRtzMpBBqWAkJDhFXpooyd_KRo> Subject: Re: [netmod] Question about schema-mount X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list <netmod.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/netmod/> List-Post: <mailto:netmod@ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 08:37:57 -0000 Hi Martin, -----Original Message----- From: Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com>=20 Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 9:28 AM To: Bogaert, Bart (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) <bart.bogaert@nokia.com> Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] Question about schema-mount Hi, "Bogaert, Bart (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <bart.bogaert@nokia.com> wrote: > Hi, >=20 > We're trying to figure out whether it is possible to define a module=20 > in the parent schema which would use a node being a leafref to a node=20 > in a model under a mount point. In order for this to work, the leafref target would have to be present at c= ompile time / design time. RFC 8528 defines Design time, Implementation ti= me, and Run time mounts, and says: "Design-time mounts are outside the scop= e of this document" (see section 1). Another alternative would be some new kind of "leafref-like" construct that= supported this. What you can do though is to ensure the leaf in the parent module is of the= same type as the mounted node you want to refer to, and explain in text wh= at the semantics is. [Bogaert, Bart] Thanks for this feedback. The use case we're looking into = is the following: [Bogaert, Bart] A forwarder contains references to interfaces which are def= ined as leafref with path /interfaces/interface/name. In the scope of this= question the path would be /logical-network/elements/logical-network-eleme= nt/interfaces/interface/name. Question is: will this work with leafref? W= hat will the [Bogaert, Bart] NETCONF server do in such a case, in other wor= d: is it able to resolve this leafref or do we have to define this as a som= e kind of string that includes the name of the logical-network-element and = the name of the interface? > I don't seem to find any statement > that would prohibit this but RFC 8530, referred to from the schema=20 > mount RFC, uses a leafref to a node in a module which is still in the=20 > list of YANG modules of the parent (and consequently in the YANG=20 > library of the parent). >=20 > So, using RFC8530 as example: >=20 > Instead of lne:bind-lne-name being a leafref to=20 > /logical-network-elements/logical-network-element/name we would point=20 > to=20 > /logical-network-elements/logical-network-element/interfaces/interface/na= me. >=20 > The interfaces YANG module is also part of the YANG library of the=20 > parent but I'm not so sure whether above construction would work well=20 > as the information related to the mounted YANG modules is in a YANG=20 > library different from the parent's YANG library. >=20 > Note that there is also some confusion with the examples in RFC8530: > while the bind-lne-name in the YANG module is a leafref as syntax, the=20 > examples work with a string as syntax for that same leaf. Do you mean the tree diagram? [Bogaert, Bart] Correct. Best regards, Bart module: ietf-interfaces +--rw interfaces +--rw interface* [name] +--rw name string +--rw lne:bind-lne-name? string This looks like a bug to me; it should be a leafref. /martin From nobody Thu Nov 28 00:56:09 2019 Return-Path: <mbj@tail-f.com> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36DCB120045 for <netmod@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 00:56:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wMWkYYax9nc4 for <netmod@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 00:56:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E05E120025 for <netmod@ietf.org>; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 00:56:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (h-4-44.A165.priv.bahnhof.se [158.174.4.44]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8E8701AE02C9; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 09:56:05 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 09:56:05 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <20191128.095605.1507456714907766603.mbj@tail-f.com> To: bart.bogaert@nokia.com Cc: netmod@ietf.org From: Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com> In-Reply-To: <PR1PR07MB50843E27EE1440DAE654244494470@PR1PR07MB5084.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com> References: <PR1PR07MB5084895F5DBBA09EA1ADE2B494440@PR1PR07MB5084.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com> <20191128.092738.1831675400353812183.mbj@tail-f.com> <PR1PR07MB50843E27EE1440DAE654244494470@PR1PR07MB5084.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.8 on Emacs 25.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/_SnzG5_5r4swAjxDiorgOybDEdE> Subject: Re: [netmod] Question about schema-mount X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list <netmod.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/netmod/> List-Post: <mailto:netmod@ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 08:56:08 -0000 Hi, "Bogaert, Bart (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <bart.bogaert@nokia.com> wrote: > Hi Martin, > > -----Original Message----- > From: Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 9:28 AM > To: Bogaert, Bart (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) <bart.bogaert@nokia.com> > Cc: netmod@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [netmod] Question about schema-mount > > Hi, > > "Bogaert, Bart (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <bart.bogaert@nokia.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > We're trying to figure out whether it is possible to define a module > > in the parent schema which would use a node being a leafref to a node > > in a model under a mount point. > > In order for this to work, the leafref target would have to be present > at compile time / design time. RFC 8528 defines Design time, > Implementation time, and Run time mounts, and says: "Design-time > mounts are outside the scope of this document" (see section 1). > > Another alternative would be some new kind of "leafref-like" construct > that supported this. > > What you can do though is to ensure the leaf in the parent module is > of the same type as the mounted node you want to refer to, and explain > in text what the semantics is. > > [Bogaert, Bart] Thanks for this feedback. The use case we're looking > into is the following: > [Bogaert, Bart] A forwarder contains references to interfaces which > are defined as leafref with path /interfaces/interface/name. In the > scope of this question the path would be > /logical-network/elements/logical-network-element/interfaces/interface/name. > Question is: will this work with leafref? No, since a YANG compiler that sees this leafref will fail to find the target and thus throw an error. [side note: a single leafref wouldn't work anyway, since you would the name of both the lne and the name of the interface] > What will the [Bogaert, > Bart] NETCONF server do in such a case, in other word: is it able to > resolve this leafref or do we have to define this as a some kind of > string that includes the name of the logical-network-element and the > name of the interface? Yes, a single string or two leafs, 'lne-name' and 'if-name'. /martin > > I don't seem to find any statement > > that would prohibit this but RFC 8530, referred to from the schema > > mount RFC, uses a leafref to a node in a module which is still in the > > list of YANG modules of the parent (and consequently in the YANG > > library of the parent). > > > > So, using RFC8530 as example: > > > > Instead of lne:bind-lne-name being a leafref to > > /logical-network-elements/logical-network-element/name we would point > > to > > /logical-network-elements/logical-network-element/interfaces/interface/name. > > > > The interfaces YANG module is also part of the YANG library of the > > parent but I'm not so sure whether above construction would work well > > as the information related to the mounted YANG modules is in a YANG > > library different from the parent's YANG library. > > > > Note that there is also some confusion with the examples in RFC8530: > > while the bind-lne-name in the YANG module is a leafref as syntax, the > > examples work with a string as syntax for that same leaf. > > Do you mean the tree diagram? > > [Bogaert, Bart] Correct. > > Best regards, Bart > > module: ietf-interfaces > +--rw interfaces > +--rw interface* [name] > +--rw name string > +--rw lne:bind-lne-name? string > > This looks like a bug to me; it should be a leafref. > > > /martin > From nobody Thu Nov 28 13:06:18 2019 Return-Path: <kaduk@mit.edu> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97C9A1208D0; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 13:06:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost 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On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 06:35:24AM -0800, Carl Moberg via Datatracker wrote: > Reviewer: Carl Moberg > Review result: Ready with Nits > > This is my YANG doctors review of the ietf-factory-default.yang module as > part of draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-07. > > The module cleanly passes validation using the YANG validator site and > I have successfully loaded it into one NETCONF server implementation. > > This module is ready with a cosmetic nit and a suggestion. > > I suggest fixing the following textual nit: > > OLD > configuration datastores (i.e.,<running> , <startup><candidate>) to > their factory default content."; > > NEW: > configuration datastores (i.e. <running>, <startup>, and > <candidate>) to their factory default content."; FWIW, the RFC style guide wants both comma and space after "i.e." (and comma before it, as well, when not enclosed in a parenthetical). -Ben From nobody Sat Nov 30 05:03:38 2019 Return-Path: <bill.wu@huawei.com> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com 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