From nobody Mon Feb 15 09:42:54 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA93E1A8A6D for ; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 09:42:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.058 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.058 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, HELO_EQ_BR=0.955, HOST_EQ_BR=1.295, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.006, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X4nPQjFBj1hO for ; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 09:42:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.inf.ufrgs.br (smtp.inf.ufrgs.br [143.54.11.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0093F1A8A8B for ; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 09:42:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (unknown [177.18.156.209]) by smtp.inf.ufrgs.br (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E99AD1209D3 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 15:42:43 -0200 (BRST) From: Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <59831908-3640-4C64-B6DF-C430F8278927@inf.ufrgs.br> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 15:42:43 -0200 To: Network Management Research Group Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.2 \(3112\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3112) Archived-At: Subject: [nmrg] Last Call: draft-irtf-nmrg-location-ipfix-05 X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 17:42:53 -0000 Dear NMRG This message is to start a two week last call (LC) on the following NMRG = document, on incorporating location information in IP flow-based = monitoring: . draft-irtf-nmrg-location-ipfix-05 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-nmrg-location-ipfix/ Please review the documents and provide your feedback in this two week = window. This last calls ends in Mar. 1st. Lisandro and Laurent= From nobody Tue Feb 16 04:11:21 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 015331B2CF4 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 04:11:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.957 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.957 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_BR=0.955, HOST_EQ_BR=1.295, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.006, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pdJjEfQ2Rsc3 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 04:11:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.inf.ufrgs.br (smtp.inf.ufrgs.br [143.54.11.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2FD51B2EC3 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 04:11:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from air-de-lisandro.inf.ufrgs.br (Air-de-Lisandro.inf.ufrgs.br [143.54.13.228]) by smtp.inf.ufrgs.br (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6179A12057A for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 10:11:11 -0200 (BRST) From: Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <599A59AF-0DB1-442F-93A9-5D1DDE3CF67C@inf.ufrgs.br> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 10:11:12 -0200 To: Network Management Research Group Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.2 \(3112\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3112) Archived-At: Subject: [nmrg] Proposed NMRG meetings for 2016 X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 12:11:21 -0000 Dear NMRG subscribers, In a previous message, we requested the subscribers of this NMRG mailing = list to inform about topics of interest to be discussed in future NMRG = meetings. Thanks for those that replied that message!=20 The planned meetings are: - NMRG (interim) meeting during NOMS 2016, Istambul, Apr. 2016 . This meeting has the goal of bridging the research community and NMRG. = As such, it will encompass topics also covered in NOMS. In a next = message we will send the first call for contributions . Because IETF 95 (Buenos Aires) and NOMS 2016 are close to each other, = we will not organize an NMRG meeting during IETF 95 - NMRG meeting during IETF 96, Berlin, Jul. 2016 . In July, during IETF 96, we plan to organize a joint meeting between = NMRG and NFVRG and/or SDNRG. That will depend on the interest of = NFVRG/SDNRG as research groups, but we expend to succeed because both = NFV and SDN have several challenges in terms of management that fall in = the scope of NMRG. - NMRG meeting during IETF 97, Seoul, Nov. 2016 . Depending on the outcomes of previous meeting, we may have a = topic-specific NMRG meeting in Seoul, or a meeting that covers several = aspects too. That depends on how the previous meetings will evolve.=20 As we mentioned before, please provide your feedback and ideas about = this plan. We want to improve the participation of all on the NMRG = decisions. Your opinion is extremely important. Best regards, Laurent and Lisandro From nobody Tue Feb 16 04:33:04 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71E981B2A12 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 04:33:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KBKOZwl6ZUQ8 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 04:33:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-fr.alcatel-lucent.com (fr-hpgre-esg-02.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.210.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 51AD91B31F4 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 04:32:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from fr711umx2.dmz.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.245.210.39]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id BF4111838E1CD; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 12:32:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fr711usmtp1.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (fr711usmtp1.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com [135.239.2.122]) by fr711umx2.dmz.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO-o) with ESMTP id u1GCWdGN016641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 Feb 2016 12:32:40 GMT Received: from FR711WXCHHUB01.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (fr711wxchhub01.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com [135.239.2.111]) by fr711usmtp1.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id u1GCWb81030620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 16 Feb 2016 13:32:38 +0100 Received: from [172.27.205.173] (135.239.27.38) by FR711WXCHHUB01.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (135.239.2.111) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.195.1; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 13:32:38 +0100 From: Laurent Ciavaglia Organization: Bell Labs To: "nmrg@irtf.org" Message-ID: <56C316E5.2060704@alcatel-lucent.com> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 13:32:37 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000006080900060301040809" X-Originating-IP: [135.239.27.38] Archived-At: Subject: [nmrg] NMRG39 at NOMS 2016: Shaping Future Network Management and Operations - Call for Contributions X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 12:33:03 -0000 --------------000006080900060301040809 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear NMRG, The 39th NMRG meeting will take place at the NOMS 2016 in Istanbul, on Wednesday 27 June, 14:00-17:30 (http://noms2016.ieee-noms.org/content/program). The meeting's topic is "*Shaping Future Network Management and Operations*". The meeting will be centered around a *brainstorm session* to determine future research and standards directions for NMRG. Topics of interest include but are not limited to: -Service/Network Management & Operational Experience -Functional Areas (e.g. FCAPS) -Management Approaches -Management Enablers & Technologies -Methodologies and Tools for Network Operations and Management Please send your proposal to the NMRG chairs by Friday 25 March 2016 ; including the presentation topic/title, short abstract, and useful links (e.g. papers, URLs...). /Note: Participants must register to NOMS to access the NMRG meeting (http://noms2016.ieee-noms.org/content/registration). / Thanks, best regards, Lisandro and Laurent. --------------000006080900060301040809 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear NMRG,

The 39th NMRG meeting will take place at the NOMS 2016 in Istanbul, on Wednesday 27 June, 14:00-17:30 (http://noms2016.ieee-noms.org/content/program).

The meeting's topic is "Shaping Future Network Management and Operations".

The meeting will be centered around a brainstorm session to determine future research and standards directions for NMRG.

Topics of interest include but are not limited to:
-Service/Network Management & Operational Experience
-Functional Areas (e.g. FCAPS)
-Management Approaches
-Management Enablers & Technologies
-Methodologies and Tools for Network Operations and Management

Please send your proposal to the NMRG chairs by Friday 25 March 2016 ; including the presentation topic/title, short abstract, and useful links (e.g. papers, URLs...).

Note: Participants must register to NOMS to access the NMRG meeting (http://noms2016.ieee-noms.org/content/registration).

Thanks, best regards,
Lisandro and Laurent.
--------------000006080900060301040809-- From nobody Tue Feb 16 05:15:13 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AB5C1B367E for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 05:15:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EtbDBA2PBvfm for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 05:15:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-fr.alcatel-lucent.com (fr-hpgre-esg-02.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.210.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E9701B367B for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 05:15:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from fr711umx2.dmz.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.245.210.39]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id DCD2ECF7DA5A1 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 13:15:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fr711usmtp1.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (fr711usmtp1.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com [135.239.2.122]) by fr711umx2.dmz.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO-o) with ESMTP id u1GDF3Dl011033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 13:15:04 GMT Received: from FR711WXCHHUB02.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (fr711wxchhub02.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com [135.239.2.112]) by fr711usmtp1.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id u1GDEvsd025629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 14:15:02 +0100 Received: from [172.27.205.173] (135.239.27.41) by FR711WXCHHUB02.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (135.239.2.112) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.195.1; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 14:14:58 +0100 To: "nmrg@irtf.org" References: <56C316E5.2060704@alcatel-lucent.com> From: Laurent Ciavaglia Organization: Bell Labs Message-ID: <56C320D1.6010604@alcatel-lucent.com> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 14:14:57 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56C316E5.2060704@alcatel-lucent.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000306000203090704040905" X-Originating-IP: [135.239.27.41] Archived-At: Subject: Re: [nmrg] NMRG39 at NOMS 2016: Shaping Future Network Management and Operations - Call for Contributions X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 13:15:11 -0000 --------------000306000203090704040905 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, _Errata:_ the correct meeting date is Wednesday 27 _*A*__*pril*_. Thanks Jochen! Best regards, Laurent. On 16/02/2016 13:32, Laurent Ciavaglia wrote: > Dear NMRG, > > The 39th NMRG meeting will take place at the NOMS 2016 in Istanbul, on > Wednesday 27 June, 14:00-17:30 > (http://noms2016.ieee-noms.org/content/program). > > The meeting's topic is "*Shaping Future Network Management and > Operations*". > > The meeting will be centered around a *brainstorm session* to > determine future research and standards directions for NMRG. > > Topics of interest include but are not limited to: > -Service/Network Management & Operational Experience > -Functional Areas (e.g. FCAPS) > -Management Approaches > -Management Enablers & Technologies > -Methodologies and Tools for Network Operations and Management > > Please send your proposal to the NMRG chairs by Friday 25 March 2016 ; > including the presentation topic/title, short abstract, and useful > links (e.g. papers, URLs...). > > /Note: Participants must register to NOMS to access the NMRG meeting > (http://noms2016.ieee-noms.org/content/registration). / > > Thanks, best regards, > Lisandro and Laurent. -- Laurent Ciavaglia Senior Research Manager Bell Labs, Nokia +33 160 402 636 Route de Villejust | 91620 Nozay | France LinkedIn: laurentciavaglia --------------000306000203090704040905 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello,

Errata: the correct meeting date is Wednesday 27 April.

Thanks Jochen!

Best regards, Laurent.

On 16/02/2016 13:32, Laurent Ciavaglia wrote:
Dear NMRG,

The 39th NMRG meeting will take place at the NOMS 2016 in Istanbul, on Wednesday 27 June, 14:00-17:30 (http://noms2016.ieee-noms.org/content/program).

The meeting's topic is "Shaping Future Network Management and Operations".

The meeting will be centered around a brainstorm session to determine future research and standards directions for NMRG.

Topics of interest include but are not limited to:
-Service/Network Management & Operational Experience
-Functional Areas (e.g. FCAPS)
-Management Approaches
-Management Enablers & Technologies
-Methodologies and Tools for Network Operations and Management

Please send your proposal to the NMRG chairs by Friday 25 March 2016 ; including the presentation topic/title, short abstract, and useful links (e.g. papers, URLs...).

Note: Participants must register to NOMS to access the NMRG meeting (http://noms2016.ieee-noms.org/content/registration).

Thanks, best regards,
Lisandro and Laurent.

--

Laurent Ciavaglia

Senior Research Manager

Bell Labs, Nokia

 

+33 160 402 636

Route de Villejust | 91620 Nozay | France

LinkedIn: laurentciavaglia

 

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([2406:e007:4de7:1:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id bx1sm5147219pab.33.2016.02.17.16.00.58 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 17 Feb 2016 16:00:59 -0800 (PST) To: nmrg@irtf.org From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: <56C509C1.8090908@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 13:01:05 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [nmrg] In-Band Synchronization for Distributed SDN Control Planes | acm sigcomm X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 00:01:06 -0000 This paper is quite interesting. It suggests a rather different approach than RFC 7575 and 7576 and the IETF work being done in Anima. http://www.sigcomm.org/node/3886 Regards Brian Carpenter From nobody Thu Feb 18 00:41:12 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F4561A92BD for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 00:41:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 80HRaNpe0JW9 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 00:41:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from lb3-smtp-cloud3.xs4all.net (lb3-smtp-cloud3.xs4all.net [194.109.24.30]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B759A1B33F9 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 00:41:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from Macintosh-2.fritz.box ([83.163.239.181]) by smtp-cloud3.xs4all.net with ESMTP id Kkh41s01e3vXPcr01kh5fv; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 09:41:06 +0100 To: Brian E Carpenter , nmrg@irtf.org References: <56C509C1.8090908@gmail.com> From: "Bert Wijnen (IETF)" Message-ID: <56C583A0.3080207@bwijnen.net> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 09:41:04 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56C509C1.8090908@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [nmrg] In-Band Synchronization for Distributed SDN Control Planes | acm sigcomm X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 08:41:12 -0000 So the different approach is that the paper suggests some sort of central control to make sure that distributed functions are well coordinated. That as opposed to supposedly complete autonomous distributed systems? Or are you hinting at some other aspect of this? I want to be sure I understand it correctly. Thanks, Bert On 18/02/16 01:01, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > This paper is quite interesting. It suggests a rather different approach > than RFC 7575 and 7576 and the IETF work being done in Anima. > > http://www.sigcomm.org/node/3886 > > Regards > Brian Carpenter > > _______________________________________________ > nmrg mailing list > nmrg@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nmrg > From nobody Thu Feb 18 10:53:26 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E200B1B2C0D for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 10:53:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6g24AfI0BNCK for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 10:53:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pa0-x22f.google.com (mail-pa0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B66271B2C0C for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 10:53:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pa0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id fy10so35409930pac.1 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 10:53:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:organization:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=DhI2plgmEvQdM5+G/yM2D0PqSGpxWPZYUj31vaCplzg=; b=CRrdwCldfYSlOfl1HfU0vQDPUQXkTnefARqGdWtKSuJyMf8GWY2E8I4cdfu9Tu/z5d RghPCVOxN0W6J1i8bux6i6VFLYv/rAJpKqyZnz2iyUROY5212HJPEIPPiC0WWoieOSp7 +TvJKJdbLbgnc8ZfmxQA/xNGjnKcxqCphBV4yllfXiJ4rPPzRvPfTTOR8Vmu5YwuENOs k7gDkY0L4w+kbBloOsDau0OXAe2RK6zekVKPzTyqXon/YYbRtklcPsjv3VD1iuXBllYG V39i3eGyrVrtrPsZ/P8Am7Q1aCYMZqu4MavVmFBn/0MJPpL6lbELldA/wtFSoX/UWzzQ amUQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:organization :message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=DhI2plgmEvQdM5+G/yM2D0PqSGpxWPZYUj31vaCplzg=; b=WGd6nfdPrItjIGw4y82ARte10owya7+3h+68GBQo/i6dopqKcsC5s0HeljYq0Ax/9c U8s8NscimG/kJHxF9RsMMsNEfyAAZ8lCON+pITYuF08c+8fPmBSwOO8/7dG+rz0lTGgf Qml+PALISv4Z/Y/h+nxaqMzuUWPbjXBEXTxr7RHQnUqo3BYoce1Bf2JfmOgMreEJUZZU hZ4TL2nPQlAmjxB11VMYv1re8nILmOluhfYoEhqfV+p7ovzxIIpikBlhtGHZAjgg89JO wvH5XczrCBs0Y10RHNHfOSl/l1tIgGvX/z4GUzbHpGJIvnMdDByFL6HlFL8wiAgCr9tp 2fyA== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOTgdmLcqVo1tG3z5dsjmHb9Wci6bkxelpZbXAXYLRkIT+skhWEoFCH28AHnUDywpg== X-Received: by 10.66.146.100 with SMTP id tb4mr11952462pab.99.1455821602370; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 10:53:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2406:e007:7581:1:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781? ([2406:e007:7581:1:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p8sm12043107pfi.34.2016.02.18.10.53.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 18 Feb 2016 10:53:20 -0800 (PST) To: "Bert Wijnen (IETF)" , nmrg@irtf.org References: <56C509C1.8090908@gmail.com> <56C583A0.3080207@bwijnen.net> From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: <56C61327.7020401@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2016 07:53:27 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56C583A0.3080207@bwijnen.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [nmrg] In-Band Synchronization for Distributed SDN Control Planes | acm sigcomm X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 18:53:25 -0000 On 18/02/2016 21:41, Bert Wijnen (IETF) wrote: > So the different approach is that the paper suggests some sort > of central control to make sure that distributed functions are > well coordinated. Well, central controllers are one of the negative aspects of SDN, so I was mainly reacting to their strong preference for signaling in the data plane. Also of course they are talking about transactional memory, but we never discussed in NMRG whether autonomic mechanisms need transactional integrity. Most distributed designs on the Internet these days seem to use a RESTful approach. Brian > That as opposed to supposedly complete autonomous > distributed systems? > > Or are you hinting at some other aspect of this? > > I want to be sure I understand it correctly. > > Thanks, > Bert > > On 18/02/16 01:01, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >> This paper is quite interesting. It suggests a rather different approach >> than RFC 7575 and 7576 and the IETF work being done in Anima. >> >> http://www.sigcomm.org/node/3886 >> >> Regards >> Brian Carpenter >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nmrg mailing list >> nmrg@irtf.org >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nmrg >> >