From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Mon Feb 10 16:02:30 2003 Received: from above.proper.com (mail.proper.com [208.184.76.45]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA25753 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:02:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id h1AKpGP18027 for ietf-openpgp-bks; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:51:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h1AKpEd18021 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:51:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA24983; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:47:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200302102047.PAA24983@ietf.org> To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org From: The IESG SUBJECT: Last Call: OpenPGP Message Format to Proposed Standard Reply-to: iesg@ietf.org Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:47:34 -0500 Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: The IESG has received a request from the An Open Specification for Pretty Good Privacy Working Group to consider OpenPGP Message Format as a Proposed Standard. The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send any comments to the iesg@ietf.org or ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2003-2-24. Files can be obtained via http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-openpgp-rfc2440bis-06.txt From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Mon Feb 10 20:16:18 2003 Received: from above.proper.com (mail.proper.com [208.184.76.45]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA03400 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:16:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id h1B16mk25059 for ietf-openpgp-bks; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:06:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from [63.202.92.156] (adsl-63-202-92-156.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.92.156]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h1B16jd25053; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:06:45 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: phoffman@mail.imc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200302102047.PAA24983@ietf.org> References: <200302102047.PAA24983@ietf.org> X-Habeas-SWE-1: winter into spring X-Habeas-SWE-2: brightly anticipated X-Habeas-SWE-3: like Habeas SWE (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-4: Copyright 2002 Habeas (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-5: Sender Warranted Email (SWE) (tm). The sender of this X-Habeas-SWE-6: email in exchange for a license for this Habeas X-Habeas-SWE-7: warrant mark warrants that this is a Habeas Compliant X-Habeas-SWE-8: Message (HCM) and not spam. Please report use of this X-Habeas-SWE-9: mark in spam to . Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:06:52 -0800 To: iesg@ietf.org From: Paul Hoffman / IMC Subject: Re: Last Call: OpenPGP Message Format to Proposed Standard Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: >The IESG has received a request from the An Open Specification for >Pretty Good Privacy Working Group to consider OpenPGP Message Format > as a Proposed Standard. This draft makes changes to a standards-track protocol but doesn't list what the changes are. There is a great deal of discussion about how various implementations have changed over time, but nothing (that I could find) listing the differences between this document and RFC 2440. Such a list should be near the beginning (not the end) of the document. --Paul Hoffman, Director --Internet Mail Consortium From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Mon Feb 10 22:34:50 2003 Received: from above.proper.com (mail.proper.com [208.184.76.45]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA07128 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:34:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id h1B3QxB28305 for ietf-openpgp-bks; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 19:26:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from claude.jabberwocky.com (walrus.ne.client2.attbi.com [24.60.130.129]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h1B3Qwd28301 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 19:26:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dshaw@localhost) by claude.jabberwocky.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1B3Qtk03504; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:26:55 -0500 Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:26:55 -0500 From: David Shaw To: iesg@ietf.org Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Last Call: OpenPGP Message Format to Proposed Standard Message-ID: <20030211032655.GA3354@jabberwocky.com> Mail-Followup-To: iesg@ietf.org, ietf-openpgp@imc.org References: <200302102047.PAA24983@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200302102047.PAA24983@ietf.org> X-PGP-Key: 99242560 / 7D92 FD31 3AB6 F373 4CC5 9CA1 DB69 8D71 9924 2560 X-URL: http://www.jabberwocky.com/ X-Phase-Of-Moon: The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (66% of Full) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 03:47:34PM -0500, The IESG wrote: > > > The IESG has received a request from the An Open Specification for > Pretty Good Privacy Working Group to consider OpenPGP Message Format > as a Proposed Standard. I do not believe that bis-06 is ready yet. There are still several unresolved issues ranging from simple cut-and-paste errors to a new signature class that was named, but the draft is missing any explanation of how to generate it. There was considerable discussion on the WG mailing list after bis-06 and I believe most of the issues were settled. I am surprised to see bis-06 and not a bis-07 being suggested for promotion. Is this an error? David -- David Shaw | dshaw@jabberwocky.com | WWW http://www.jabberwocky.com/ +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ "There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." - Jeremy S. Anderson From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Thu Feb 13 15:47:53 2003 Received: from above.proper.com (mail.proper.com [208.184.76.45]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA29065 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 15:47:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id h1DKZwL25941 for ietf-openpgp-bks; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:35:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from thetis.deor.org (thetis.deor.org [207.106.86.210]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h1DKZud25933 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:35:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by thetis.deor.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 186AB45089; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:35:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thetis.deor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFE3848026 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:35:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:35:56 -0800 (PST) From: Len Sassaman X-Sender: To: Subject: Obituary for Janis Jagars (Disastry) Message-ID: X-AIM: Elom777 X-icq: 10735603 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Janis Jagars, known to many people on the Internet by his handle Disastry, was a prolific programmer who made numerous valuable contributions to the Internet. I am afraid I cannot do his memory justice, having known him only a short number of years and only through his work on privacy enhancing programs, but he earned my respect and appreciation for his achievements in that area. I first "met" Janis Jagars while I was employed by PGP Security. In preparation for the release of PGP 7, I located and contacted the people responsible for other implementations of OpenPGP, in order to set up interop testing. Janis was working on updating the DOS-aware PGP 2.6.3i program to work with modern implementations of PGP. His work on that program, and his presence in the IETF OpenPGP working group, helped to smooth over a number of PGP compatibility problems. On the PGP newsgroups and mailing lists, Janis helped many new PGP users get started using email encryption, and tirelessly answered support questions for privacy-related programs. To my knowledge, Janis operated the only anonymous remailer to exist in Latvia. Janis was, by the original definition, a true Cypherpunk. He believed that privacy was a right that must not be denied to Internet users, and he wrote code to help ensure that it could not be. When he needed a way to easily send encrypted email through Netscape, he wrote a plugin. When he wanted a way to mount PGPdisk volumes under Linux, he wrote a conversion tool. When Windows users wanted a pre-compiled version GnuPG, Janis gave them one. Janis understood that the fight for Internet privacy must take place at the hands of programmers, and he rose to the challenge of bring useful privacy-enhancing programs into existence, and into the hands of the public. Immediately after the terrorist attacks in September, 2001, I took over maintenance of the Mixmaster anonymous remailer project. Mixmaster had been unmaintained for over a year, and needed serious work. I was delighted when I received email from Janis, offering his help. Over the next year, entirely of his own initiative, Janis ported Mixmaster's server functionality to Windows, brought Mixmaster's OpenPGP support from an unstable "alpha" state to a solid, usable feature set, and established himself as an invaluable member of the Mixmaster development team. The upcoming Mixmaster 3.0 release features a number of crucial improvements which would not have happened had it not been for Janis's involvement. My last communication with Janis was on October 11th of last year. He had planned a vacation in Nepal, and expected to return a month later. When he did not return, we feared the worst. Sadly, it turns out that our fears were true: On October 31, while descending from Lobuche summit, Janis fell 250m, and did not survive. I am dedicating this year's CodeCon conference to Janis's memory. Janis will be missed, but his contributions will still be appreciated and utilized. It is my hope that Janis's work will serve as an example for other like-minded programmers, who chose to give their time and code in the name of free speech and privacy. Len Sassaman 13 February 2003 San Francisco, CA -- Janis's home page may be viewed here: http://web.archive.org/web/20010927055328/disastry.dhs.org/ News of his accident can be found here: http://www.vertikalex.lv/minisurvey/Discussion/ShowMessage.asp?ID=4703 From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Wed Feb 19 09:36:12 2003 Received: from above.proper.com (mail.proper.com [208.184.76.45]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA26049 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 09:36:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id h1JER0G17080 for ietf-openpgp-bks; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 06:27:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from yancy.pkiclue.com (IDENT:root@yancy.pkiclue.com [209.172.115.117]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h1JEQud17059 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 06:26:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from rt-dt.pkiclue.com (IDENT:root@LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by yancy.pkiclue.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA15374 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 06:32:12 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030219062239.02be9ec8@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: pkiclue@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 06:23:15 -0800 To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org From: Rodney Thayer Subject: meeting in San Francisco? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Is there a meeting planned in San Francisco? Is there an agenda? Is there a call for an agenda? Is there interest in a meeting? From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Wed Feb 19 15:39:32 2003 Received: from above.proper.com (mail.proper.com [208.184.76.45]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA08242 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:39:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id h1JKSXN07667 for ietf-openpgp-bks; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:28:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.83]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h1JKSSd07655 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:28:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from grand-central-station.mit.edu (GRAND-CENTRAL-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.82]) by pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA01837; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:28:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.86]) by grand-central-station.mit.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA04514; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:28:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from kikki.mit.edu (KIKKI.MIT.EDU [18.18.1.142]) by melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA23081; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:28:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from warlord@localhost) by kikki.mit.edu (8.9.3) id PAA21637; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:28:20 -0500 (EST) To: Rodney Thayer Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org From: Derek Atkins Subject: Re: meeting in San Francisco? References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030219062239.02be9ec8@127.0.0.1> Date: 19 Feb 2003 15:28:20 -0500 In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030219062239.02be9ec8@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: Lines: 15 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Rodney Thayer writes: > Is there a meeting planned in San Francisco? Is there an agenda? > Is there a call for an agenda? Is there interest in a meeting? I dont know. No. There should be. Good question.. Feedback? -derek -- Derek Atkins Computer and Internet Security Consultant derek@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Thu Feb 27 13:20:53 2003 Received: from above.proper.com (mail.proper.com [208.184.76.45]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA15046 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:20:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id h1RI5vg24393 for ietf-openpgp-bks; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:05:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from fort-point-station.mit.edu (FORT-POINT-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.76]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h1RI5nY24386 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:05:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from central-city-carrier-station.mit.edu (CENTRAL-CITY-CARRIER-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.72]) by fort-point-station.mit.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA20484; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:05:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.86]) by central-city-carrier-station.mit.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA00138; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:05:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from kikki.mit.edu (KIKKI.MIT.EDU [18.18.1.142]) by melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA19505; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:05:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from warlord@localhost) by kikki.mit.edu (8.9.3) id NAA11641; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:05:41 -0500 (EST) To: Dave Del Torto Cc: Rodney Thayer , Bill Stewart , ietf-openpgp@imc.org, Jeffrey I Schiller From: Derek Atkins Subject: Re: meeting in San Francisco? References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030219062239.02be9ec8@127.0.0.1> Date: 27 Feb 2003 13:05:41 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Lines: 56 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Dave, If you want me to arrange with the secretariat I can try to obtain a room on Saturday or Sunday.. My flight arrives at 2:46 on Sat, so I don't expect to get up to the city until at least 4-4:30. If you want me to pursue a room I can do so. Just let me know what you want/need. -derek Dave Del Torto writes: > At 3:28 PM -0500 2003-02-19, Derek Atkins wrote: > >Rodney Thayer writes: > >> Is there a meeting planned in San Francisco? Is there an agenda? > >> Is there a call for an agenda? Is there interest in a meeting? > > > >I dont know. No. There should be. Good question.. > > > >Feedback? > > > OK, I'll set up an "Ides of March" CP meeting for the day before the > IETF starts (15 March) in San Francisco. Details will be up on the > web as soon as we work them out. > > I'll contact the IETF folks to see if we can hold it in a room in the > Hilton, but failing that, we'll find someplace nearby. Derek, if you > have any juice with them, can you hook me up with someone who might > lend us a room? > > Now, who wants to step up and help me put together an agenda? > > 0. OpenPGP news > 1. HKS > 2. CryptoRights/HIGHFIRE > 3. OpenSSL Security ? > 4. PGP Corp News? > 5. Homeland Defense/TIA-TTIC/etc ? > 6. ? > > Any other ideas? > > dave > > _____________________________________________________________________ > Dave Del Torto president/executive director > +1.415.334.5533 #1 CryptoRights Foundation (501c3) > http://www.cryptorights.org/ddt Securing Human Rights Worldwide > https://www.cryptorights.org/join/register.php -- Derek Atkins Computer and Internet Security Consultant derek@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Fri Feb 28 23:01:59 2003 Received: from above.proper.com (mail.proper.com [208.184.76.45]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA21716 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 23:01:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id h213ndB23286 for ietf-openpgp-bks; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 19:49:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from merrymeet.com (merrymeet.com [63.73.97.162]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h213nbY23281 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 19:49:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from [63.73.97.183] (63.73.97.165) by merrymeet.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.2b5) for ; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 19:49:38 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 19:49:45 -0800 Subject: Bis-07 submitted From: Jon Callas To: OpenPGP Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I submitted bis-07, which should have been sent ages ago. It does not have things in it that people have wanted for progressing to Draft. It has conclusions of various talks about -06. There will have to be at last a -08 before we go to Draft. Jon Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id h213ndB23286 for ietf-openpgp-bks; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 19:49:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from merrymeet.com (merrymeet.com [63.73.97.162]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h213nbY23281 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 19:49:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from [63.73.97.183] (63.73.97.165) by merrymeet.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.2b5) for ; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 19:49:38 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 19:49:45 -0800 Subject: Bis-07 submitted From: Jon Callas To: OpenPGP Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: I submitted bis-07, which should have been sent ages ago. It does not have things in it that people have wanted for progressing to Draft. It has conclusions of various talks about -06. There will have to be at last a -08 before we go to Draft. Jon Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id h1RI5vg24393 for ietf-openpgp-bks; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:05:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from fort-point-station.mit.edu (FORT-POINT-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.76]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h1RI5nY24386 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:05:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from central-city-carrier-station.mit.edu (CENTRAL-CITY-CARRIER-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.72]) by fort-point-station.mit.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA20484; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:05:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.86]) by central-city-carrier-station.mit.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA00138; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:05:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from kikki.mit.edu (KIKKI.MIT.EDU [18.18.1.142]) by melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA19505; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:05:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from warlord@localhost) by kikki.mit.edu (8.9.3) id NAA11641; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:05:41 -0500 (EST) To: Dave Del Torto Cc: Rodney Thayer , Bill Stewart , ietf-openpgp@imc.org, Jeffrey I Schiller From: Derek Atkins Subject: Re: meeting in San Francisco? References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030219062239.02be9ec8@127.0.0.1> Date: 27 Feb 2003 13:05:41 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Lines: 56 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Dave, If you want me to arrange with the secretariat I can try to obtain a room on Saturday or Sunday.. My flight arrives at 2:46 on Sat, so I don't expect to get up to the city until at least 4-4:30. If you want me to pursue a room I can do so. Just let me know what you want/need. -derek Dave Del Torto writes: > At 3:28 PM -0500 2003-02-19, Derek Atkins wrote: > >Rodney Thayer writes: > >> Is there a meeting planned in San Francisco? Is there an agenda? > >> Is there a call for an agenda? Is there interest in a meeting? > > > >I dont know. No. There should be. Good question.. > > > >Feedback? > > > OK, I'll set up an "Ides of March" CP meeting for the day before the > IETF starts (15 March) in San Francisco. Details will be up on the > web as soon as we work them out. > > I'll contact the IETF folks to see if we can hold it in a room in the > Hilton, but failing that, we'll find someplace nearby. Derek, if you > have any juice with them, can you hook me up with someone who might > lend us a room? > > Now, who wants to step up and help me put together an agenda? > > 0. OpenPGP news > 1. HKS > 2. CryptoRights/HIGHFIRE > 3. OpenSSL Security ? > 4. PGP Corp News? > 5. Homeland Defense/TIA-TTIC/etc ? > 6. ? > > Any other ideas? > > dave > > _____________________________________________________________________ > Dave Del Torto president/executive director > +1.415.334.5533 #1 CryptoRights Foundation (501c3) > http://www.cryptorights.org/ddt Securing Human Rights Worldwide > https://www.cryptorights.org/join/register.php -- Derek Atkins Computer and Internet Security Consultant derek@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id h1JKSXN07667 for ietf-openpgp-bks; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:28:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.83]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h1JKSSd07655 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:28:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from grand-central-station.mit.edu (GRAND-CENTRAL-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.82]) by pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA01837; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:28:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.86]) by grand-central-station.mit.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA04514; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:28:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from kikki.mit.edu (KIKKI.MIT.EDU [18.18.1.142]) by melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA23081; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:28:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from warlord@localhost) by kikki.mit.edu (8.9.3) id PAA21637; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:28:20 -0500 (EST) To: Rodney Thayer Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org From: Derek Atkins Subject: Re: meeting in San Francisco? References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030219062239.02be9ec8@127.0.0.1> Date: 19 Feb 2003 15:28:20 -0500 In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030219062239.02be9ec8@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: Lines: 15 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Rodney Thayer writes: > Is there a meeting planned in San Francisco? Is there an agenda? > Is there a call for an agenda? Is there interest in a meeting? I dont know. No. There should be. Good question.. Feedback? -derek -- Derek Atkins Computer and Internet Security Consultant derek@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id h1JER0G17080 for ietf-openpgp-bks; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 06:27:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from yancy.pkiclue.com (IDENT:root@yancy.pkiclue.com [209.172.115.117]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h1JEQud17059 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 06:26:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from rt-dt.pkiclue.com (IDENT:root@LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by yancy.pkiclue.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA15374 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 06:32:12 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030219062239.02be9ec8@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: pkiclue@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 06:23:15 -0800 To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org From: Rodney Thayer Subject: meeting in San Francisco? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Is there a meeting planned in San Francisco? Is there an agenda? Is there a call for an agenda? Is there interest in a meeting? Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id h1DKZwL25941 for ietf-openpgp-bks; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:35:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from thetis.deor.org (thetis.deor.org [207.106.86.210]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h1DKZud25933 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:35:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by thetis.deor.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 186AB45089; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:35:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thetis.deor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFE3848026 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:35:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:35:56 -0800 (PST) From: Len Sassaman X-Sender: To: Subject: Obituary for Janis Jagars (Disastry) Message-ID: X-AIM: Elom777 X-icq: 10735603 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Janis Jagars, known to many people on the Internet by his handle Disastry, was a prolific programmer who made numerous valuable contributions to the Internet. I am afraid I cannot do his memory justice, having known him only a short number of years and only through his work on privacy enhancing programs, but he earned my respect and appreciation for his achievements in that area. I first "met" Janis Jagars while I was employed by PGP Security. In preparation for the release of PGP 7, I located and contacted the people responsible for other implementations of OpenPGP, in order to set up interop testing. Janis was working on updating the DOS-aware PGP 2.6.3i program to work with modern implementations of PGP. His work on that program, and his presence in the IETF OpenPGP working group, helped to smooth over a number of PGP compatibility problems. On the PGP newsgroups and mailing lists, Janis helped many new PGP users get started using email encryption, and tirelessly answered support questions for privacy-related programs. To my knowledge, Janis operated the only anonymous remailer to exist in Latvia. Janis was, by the original definition, a true Cypherpunk. He believed that privacy was a right that must not be denied to Internet users, and he wrote code to help ensure that it could not be. When he needed a way to easily send encrypted email through Netscape, he wrote a plugin. When he wanted a way to mount PGPdisk volumes under Linux, he wrote a conversion tool. When Windows users wanted a pre-compiled version GnuPG, Janis gave them one. Janis understood that the fight for Internet privacy must take place at the hands of programmers, and he rose to the challenge of bring useful privacy-enhancing programs into existence, and into the hands of the public. Immediately after the terrorist attacks in September, 2001, I took over maintenance of the Mixmaster anonymous remailer project. Mixmaster had been unmaintained for over a year, and needed serious work. I was delighted when I received email from Janis, offering his help. Over the next year, entirely of his own initiative, Janis ported Mixmaster's server functionality to Windows, brought Mixmaster's OpenPGP support from an unstable "alpha" state to a solid, usable feature set, and established himself as an invaluable member of the Mixmaster development team. The upcoming Mixmaster 3.0 release features a number of crucial improvements which would not have happened had it not been for Janis's involvement. My last communication with Janis was on October 11th of last year. He had planned a vacation in Nepal, and expected to return a month later. When he did not return, we feared the worst. Sadly, it turns out that our fears were true: On October 31, while descending from Lobuche summit, Janis fell 250m, and did not survive. I am dedicating this year's CodeCon conference to Janis's memory. Janis will be missed, but his contributions will still be appreciated and utilized. It is my hope that Janis's work will serve as an example for other like-minded programmers, who chose to give their time and code in the name of free speech and privacy. Len Sassaman 13 February 2003 San Francisco, CA -- Janis's home page may be viewed here: http://web.archive.org/web/20010927055328/disastry.dhs.org/ News of his accident can be found here: http://www.vertikalex.lv/minisurvey/Discussion/ShowMessage.asp?ID=4703 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id h1B3QxB28305 for ietf-openpgp-bks; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 19:26:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from claude.jabberwocky.com (walrus.ne.client2.attbi.com [24.60.130.129]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h1B3Qwd28301 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 19:26:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dshaw@localhost) by claude.jabberwocky.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1B3Qtk03504; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:26:55 -0500 Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:26:55 -0500 From: David Shaw To: iesg@ietf.org Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Last Call: OpenPGP Message Format to Proposed Standard Message-ID: <20030211032655.GA3354@jabberwocky.com> Mail-Followup-To: iesg@ietf.org, ietf-openpgp@imc.org References: <200302102047.PAA24983@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200302102047.PAA24983@ietf.org> X-PGP-Key: 99242560 / 7D92 FD31 3AB6 F373 4CC5 9CA1 DB69 8D71 9924 2560 X-URL: http://www.jabberwocky.com/ X-Phase-Of-Moon: The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (66% of Full) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 03:47:34PM -0500, The IESG wrote: > > > The IESG has received a request from the An Open Specification for > Pretty Good Privacy Working Group to consider OpenPGP Message Format > as a Proposed Standard. I do not believe that bis-06 is ready yet. There are still several unresolved issues ranging from simple cut-and-paste errors to a new signature class that was named, but the draft is missing any explanation of how to generate it. There was considerable discussion on the WG mailing list after bis-06 and I believe most of the issues were settled. I am surprised to see bis-06 and not a bis-07 being suggested for promotion. Is this an error? David -- David Shaw | dshaw@jabberwocky.com | WWW http://www.jabberwocky.com/ +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ "There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." - Jeremy S. Anderson Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id h1B16mk25059 for ietf-openpgp-bks; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:06:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from [63.202.92.156] (adsl-63-202-92-156.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.92.156]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h1B16jd25053; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:06:45 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: phoffman@mail.imc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200302102047.PAA24983@ietf.org> References: <200302102047.PAA24983@ietf.org> X-Habeas-SWE-1: winter into spring X-Habeas-SWE-2: brightly anticipated X-Habeas-SWE-3: like Habeas SWE (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-4: Copyright 2002 Habeas (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-5: Sender Warranted Email (SWE) (tm). The sender of this X-Habeas-SWE-6: email in exchange for a license for this Habeas X-Habeas-SWE-7: warrant mark warrants that this is a Habeas Compliant X-Habeas-SWE-8: Message (HCM) and not spam. Please report use of this X-Habeas-SWE-9: mark in spam to . Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:06:52 -0800 To: iesg@ietf.org From: Paul Hoffman / IMC Subject: Re: Last Call: OpenPGP Message Format to Proposed Standard Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: >The IESG has received a request from the An Open Specification for >Pretty Good Privacy Working Group to consider OpenPGP Message Format > as a Proposed Standard. This draft makes changes to a standards-track protocol but doesn't list what the changes are. There is a great deal of discussion about how various implementations have changed over time, but nothing (that I could find) listing the differences between this document and RFC 2440. Such a list should be near the beginning (not the end) of the document. --Paul Hoffman, Director --Internet Mail Consortium Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id h1AKpGP18027 for ietf-openpgp-bks; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:51:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h1AKpEd18021 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:51:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA24983; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:47:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200302102047.PAA24983@ietf.org> To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org From: The IESG SUBJECT: Last Call: OpenPGP Message Format to Proposed Standard Reply-to: iesg@ietf.org Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:47:34 -0500 Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: The IESG has received a request from the An Open Specification for Pretty Good Privacy Working Group to consider OpenPGP Message Format as a Proposed Standard. The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send any comments to the iesg@ietf.org or ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2003-2-24. Files can be obtained via http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-openpgp-rfc2440bis-06.txt