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From owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Wed Nov 3 12:23:25 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA29321 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 12:23:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CPP6O-00022b-6t for opes-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 12:39:21 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iA3H9vXj025415; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 09:09:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iA3H9vJr025414; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 09:09:57 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from measurement-factory.com (measurement-factory.com [206.168.0.5]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iA3H9rEL025367 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 09:09:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rousskov@measurement-factory.com) Received: from pail.measurement-factory.com (nat.measurement-factory.com [206.168.0.3]) by measurement-factory.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iA3H9sJ2085405 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:09:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rousskov@measurement-factory.com) Subject: Fwd: WG Review: Sieve Mail Filtering (sieve) References: <200411031626.LAA23831@ietf.org> Message-ID: To: "OPES WG" Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:09:54 -0700 From: "Alex Rousskov" Organization: The Measurement Factory Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <200411031626.LAA23831@ietf.org> User-Agent: Opera M2/7.54 (FreeBSD, build 751) Sender: owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: bdc523f9a54890b8a30dd6fd53d5d024 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Looks like a handy summary of extensions, many of which I was not aware of. There is a strong indication that Sieve has been widely implemented. Alex. ------- Forwarded message ------- From: "The IESG" To: IETF-Announce@ietf.org Subject: WG Review: Sieve Mail Filtering (sieve) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:26:11 -0500 A new IETF working group has been proposed in the Applications Area. The IESG has not made any determination as yet. The following description was submitted, and is provided for informational purposes only. Please send your comments to the IESG mailing list (iesg@ietf.org) by November 10th. Sieve Mail Filtering (sieve) ============================ Current Status: Proposed Working Group Description of the group: The sieve mail filtering language specified in RFC 3028 has now been implemented in a wide variety of user agents (UAs), mail delivery agents (MDAs), and mail transfer agents (MTAs). Several extensions have been specified (RFCs 3431, 3598, 3685, 3894) and have also been widely implemented. Several additional sieve extensions have been defined in various internet-drafts. All of these documents are individual submissions; up to this point work on sieve has been done informally and not under the auspices of any IETF working group. The sieve working group is being chartered to: (1) Revise the base sieve specification, RFC 3028, with the intention of moving it to draft standard. Substantive additions or revisions to the base specification are out of scope of this working group. However, the need to loosen current restrictions on side effects of tests as well as the need for a normative reference to the newly-defined comparators registry may necessitate a recycle at proposed. (2) Produce updated sieve relational (RFC 3431), subaddress (RFC 3598), spamtest/virustest (RFC 3685), and copy (RFC 3894) extension specifications, again with the intention of making a move to draft standard possible. 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Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4C24A.EE185216 Content-Type: text/plain fyi, abbie > -----Original Message----- > From: ietf-announce-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:ietf-announce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of The IESG > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 11:26 AM > To: IETF-Announce@ietf.org > Cc: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org > Subject: WG Review: Sieve Mail Filtering (sieve) > > > A new IETF working group has been proposed in the Applications Area. > The IESG has not made any determination as yet. The following > description > was submitted, and is provided for informational purposes > only. Please send > your comments to the IESG mailing list (iesg@ietf.org) by > November 10th. > > Sieve Mail Filtering (sieve) > ============================ > > Current Status: Proposed Working Group > > Description of the group: > > The sieve mail filtering language specified in RFC 3028 has > now been implemented in a wide variety of user agents (UAs), > mail delivery agents (MDAs), and mail transfer agents (MTAs). > Several extensions have been specified (RFCs 3431, 3598, > 3685, 3894) and have also been widely implemented. Several > additional sieve extensions have been defined in various > internet-drafts. > > All of these documents are individual submissions; up to this > point work on sieve has been done informally and not under > the auspices of any IETF working group. > > The sieve working group is being chartered to: > > (1) Revise the base sieve specification, RFC 3028, with the > intention of moving it to draft standard. Substantive > additions or revisions to the base specification are out of > scope of this working group. However, the need to loosen > current restrictions on side effects of tests as well as the > need for a normative reference to the newly-defined > comparators registry may necessitate a recycle at proposed. > > (2) Produce updated sieve relational (RFC 3431), subaddress > (RFC 3598), spamtest/virustest (RFC 3685), and copy (RFC > 3894) extension specifications, again with the intention of > making a move to draft standard possible. It may be necessary > to recycle some or all of these documents at proposed, > depending on the scope of any changes. > > (3) Finalize and publish the sieve extensions as proposed standards: > > (a) Variables (draft-homme-sieve-variables-04.txt) > (b) Vacation action (draft-showalter-sieve-vacation-05.txt) > (c) Message body tests (draft-degener-sieve-body-02.txt) > (d) Regular expressions (draft-murchison-sieve-regex-07.txt) > (e) MIME part tests (draft-daboo-sieve-mime-00.txt) > (f) Notification action (draft-martin-sieve-notify-02.txt) > (g) IMAP flags (draft-melnikov-sieve-imapflags-06.txt) > (h) Header editing actions (draft-degener-sieve-editheader-01.txt) > (i) Reject before delivery (draft-elvey-refuse-sieve-01.txt) > > Additional drafts may be added this list, but only via a > charter revision. There must also be demonstrable willingness > in the sieve development community to actually implement a > given extension before it can be added to this charter. > > Some aspects of sieve have complex internationalization > issues; the working group will seek out internationalization > expertise as needed to complete its work. > > > _______________________________________________ > IETF-Announce mailing list > IETF-Announce@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-> announce > > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4C24A.EE185216 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FW: WG Review: Sieve Mail Filtering (sieve)

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: ietf-announce-bounces@ietf.org
> [mailto:ietf-announce-boun= ces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of The IESG
> Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 11:26 = AM
> To: IETF-Announce@ietf.org
> Cc: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org
> Subject: WG Review: Sieve Mail Filtering = (sieve)
>
>
> A new IETF working group has been proposed in = the Applications Area. 
> The IESG has not made any determination as yet. = The following
> description
> was submitted, and is provided for = informational purposes
> only. Please send
> your comments to the IESG mailing list = (iesg@ietf.org) by
> November 10th.
>
> Sieve Mail Filtering (sieve)
> = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> Current Status: Proposed Working Group
>
> Description of the group:
>
> The sieve mail filtering language specified in = RFC 3028 has
> now been implemented in a wide variety of user = agents (UAs),
> mail delivery agents (MDAs), and mail transfer = agents (MTAs).
> Several extensions have been specified (RFCs = 3431, 3598,
> 3685, 3894) and have also been widely = implemented. Several
> additional sieve extensions have been defined = in various
> internet-drafts.
>
> All of these documents are individual = submissions; up to this
> point work on sieve has been done informally = and not under
> the auspices of any IETF working group.
>
> The sieve working group is being chartered = to:
>
> (1) Revise the base sieve specification, RFC = 3028, with the
> intention of moving it to draft standard. = Substantive
> additions or revisions to the base = specification are out of
> scope of this working group. However, the need = to loosen
> current restrictions on side effects of tests = as well as the
> need for a normative reference to the = newly-defined
> comparators registry may necessitate a recycle = at proposed.
>
> (2) Produce updated sieve relational (RFC = 3431), subaddress
> (RFC 3598), spamtest/virustest (RFC 3685), and = copy (RFC
> 3894) extension specifications, again with the = intention of
> making a move to draft standard possible. It = may be necessary
> to recycle some or all of these documents at = proposed,
> depending on the scope of any changes.
>
> (3) Finalize and publish the sieve extensions = as proposed standards:
>
> (a) Variables = (draft-homme-sieve-variables-04.txt)
> (b) Vacation action = (draft-showalter-sieve-vacation-05.txt)
> (c) Message body tests = (draft-degener-sieve-body-02.txt)
> (d) Regular expressions = (draft-murchison-sieve-regex-07.txt)
> (e) MIME part tests = (draft-daboo-sieve-mime-00.txt)
> (f) Notification action = (draft-martin-sieve-notify-02.txt)
> (g) IMAP flags = (draft-melnikov-sieve-imapflags-06.txt)
> (h) Header editing actions = (draft-degener-sieve-editheader-01.txt)
> (i) Reject before delivery = (draft-elvey-refuse-sieve-01.txt)
>
> Additional drafts may be added this list, but = only via a
> charter revision. There must also be = demonstrable willingness
> in the sieve development community to actually = implement a
> given extension before it can be added to this = charter.
>
> Some aspects of sieve have complex = internationalization
> issues; the working group will seek out = internationalization
> expertise as needed to complete its = work.
>
>
> = _______________________________________________
> IETF-Announce mailing list
> IETF-Announce@ietf.org
> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-> = announce
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I also think that what is intended to be studied is a nearly kill for the IAB architecture in implementing a de facto virtual middlebox network layer. So, I opposed the text of the charter. This being said, I fully support the need of the intended work. I added a few suggested cases to the list. At 11:19 22/10/2004, Martin Stecher wrote: >There are use cases for SMTP message content (1) and SMTP dialog >adaptation (2). And there are use cases where the message content >may have an influence on mail forwarding options or trigger >other side effects (3). > >1. Examples for message content adaptation: > >- Virus checking >- Other security policies (e.g. forbidden attachment types) >- Content Analyzes (classify content into categories, search for forbidden >content) Language analysis to accept or reroute a mail >- Translation of message text Yeap, but since this a very complex issue, some other simpler are in immediate need: - format verification - format adaptation (ex. XLM to ASN.1) >- Filter Spam (pure content adaption may just mark the message, for other >actions see below) >- Transform content to make it better readable on special mail clients >(e.g. Blackberries) >- Encrypt emails or verify signature. Addition of prioritized reading depending on content, previous mails, etc. Putting a mail into a context - adding classification elements. Adding notes on used words. Parameter conversion (for example text can contain variables that will be entered : name, conversion rate, etc.) >2. Short form of the examples for SMTP dialog adaptation I gave in my emai >on July 14, plus a new one: > >- Validate "MAIL FROM" >- Validate "RCPT TO" >- Sender validation via IP, HELO, SenderID, etc. >- Resolve distribution lists Multilingualism : check availability of language aliasing names Hide/change header elements I do not know where to put that : preventing mail to cross some areas of the network. >3. Examples for mail forwarding options or other side effects: > >- Delay a message of a certain size or content >- Send virus notifications to others when virus has been detected >- Move email to a special queue (e.g. Spam queue) >- Drop a (spam) message Drop, move - this is reroute possibility. Copying alternative mailbox upon management rules (for example: mails received during the night being copied to an operator on duty) This may create archives, permit mail tapping They may be used for any kind of usage statistics about mailing usage, linguistic, rate of crypted messages, etc. for a better knowledge of general, national, corporate mailing usages. >- Out of office replies Security : spam alert. Statistics on spam origin and spammer tracking: today anti spam systems are local. OPES permits to correlate their data in real time (same server), better react. Since spam is a favored vector for viruses, we are in the core of cybersecurity. A problem we might also resolve and which is quite a problem is retrospam. Many servers like AOL send back the whole text of the non delivered mails. This is used for retrospam. An OPES could refuse error message with a long text, cut the text and send it back. This way the retrospamed person would be protected and the retrspaming server would create itself an heavy load incitating it to stop. This should be supported by Best Practice RFC making netiquette not to send back message texts (and often viruses). This would be a simple way to get "OPES" (I do not think this is OPES :-) known and possibly get interest and funding. The main aspect of the OPES architecture is that it can be easily deployed without needing the existing MTA to be modified. So they can be easily imposed by ISP or an anti-spam protection act. In this they can help setting real virtual mail fire wall (one of the application we should put forward for HTTP support is application firewalling). I would be interested by comments on this point ASAP as there is a French Gov meeting on Spam this week, the debate on retrospam is hot and this could help to make our work advertised. As IAB RFC 3869 puts it, IETF needs Gov. subsidies. Digital Defense (Govs start seeing spam as a real threat on economy, cf. spam attack on Banks) is certainly a good topic in that area. But it need to be well documented. For example in France we have (and I understand there is the same approach in the US) "Dual" projects which are funded more easily. These are project which jointly interest commercial and military interests (innovation, but also standardization which permits military to use/protect civilian resources in case of conflict). I have an industrial partner who could be interested in proposing a test network of OPES filters supported by a few redundant OPES servers. The debate at the WSIS starts on the role of Govs in the Internet Governance, I document that through "regalian services" proceeding from "regalian duties" (they usually are Defense, Foreign Affairs, Justice, Money, etc). This is the time to document that anti-virus and anti-spam citizen and business protection belongs to regalian duties. 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" As you know I think that a front-end program on an MTA can (_not_) be called an OPES.... " I will add another important service: mail anonymizing. This is a feature provided in some mailing list. The problem is that it only anonimizes the header. If the mail is a reply-to, the name of the replier is often in the return formula "at 16:24 etc. John Doe etc". There are many applications, but this feature is for example important in "dynamic online voting" - wich is probably the only secure simple and cheap online voting solution I know: the ballots are sent to voters (with a ballot ID) who reply in anonymous way to the watchdogs mailing list, and may be to the voters list but without the votes. The witnessed times of vote and time/ballot ID checking (real time or at the end) by the voters themsleves prevent tempering. Result is the release by the watchdogs of the ballots they received which should all be the same. Everyone has then all the ballots. This method permits to run a vote with everyone involved being under suspicion (the best is that watchdogs are for example the candidates - so there is no suspicion of collusion). The only problem is that a trusted third party introduces the sent ballots ID and anonymizes the received ballots. Every existing solution will be under suspicion, and every server related solution may have hidden archives. Not OPES dedicated services (possibly two: one for inserting IDs, one for anonymizing) independent from the concerned voting college. jfc From owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Sat Nov 13 16:45:29 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA02284 for <opes-archive@ietf.org>; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 16:45:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CT5jl-000425-Fg for opes-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 16:47:13 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iADLVJDV061991; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 13:31:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iADLVIZf061990; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 13:31:18 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from measurement-factory.com (measurement-factory.com [206.168.0.5]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iADLV7VE061955 for <ietf-openproxy@imc.org>; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 13:31:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rousskov@measurement-factory.com) Received: from measurement-factory.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by measurement-factory.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iADLVBJ2070136; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:31:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rousskov@measurement-factory.com) Received: (from rousskov@localhost) by measurement-factory.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id iADLVAW3070135; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:31:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rousskov) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:31:10 -0700 (MST) From: Alex Rousskov <rousskov@measurement-factory.com> To: jfcm <info@utel.net> cc: Martin Stecher <martin.stecher@webwasher.com>, "OPES WG (E-mail)" <ietf-openproxy@imc.org> Subject: Re: SMTP Use Cases In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20041113160612.0dd0a9f0@mail.utel.net> Message-ID: <20041113142720.P68728@measurement-factory.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20041113160612.0dd0a9f0@mail.utel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Sender: owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-openproxy/mail-archive/> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-openproxy-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> List-ID: <ietf-openproxy.imc.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 Martin, Are you collecting these cases somewhere? Looks like we already have quite a few, together with recent jfcm additions. However, many lack details. Is now a good time to decide what to do with them? I recall we were thinking about either including them in SMTP Adaptations draft or documenting them separately... Alex. On Sat, 13 Nov 2004, jfcm wrote: > I will add another important service: mail anonymizing. 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Probably several cases and ways. 2. virtual transfers. When the same mail is sent to several recipients, the first copy could be transfered with meta data defining the others to rebuild on the arriving MTA. 3. compression during transfer Another which may no please is a pay-filtering or other filtering based upon sending/receiving destination, for pre-classing the mails for examples. jfc From owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Sun Nov 14 08:49:48 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA10049 for <opes-archive@ietf.org>; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:49:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CTKn7-0006qp-3f for opes-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:51:41 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iAEDYqQe014236; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 05:34:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iAEDYqM3014235; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 05:34:52 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iAEDYm7h014223 for <ietf-openproxy@imc.org>; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 05:34:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from markus@mhof.com) Received: from [10.0.0.10] (pcp04238594pcs.eatntn01.nj.comcast.net[68.83.187.201]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with ESMTP id <2004111413344001400qqelre> (Authid: mhofmann); Sun, 14 Nov 2004 13:34:40 +0000 Message-ID: <41975EF3.1000800@mhof.com> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:34:43 -0500 From: Markus Hofmann <markus@mhof.com> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "OPES WG (E-mail)" <ietf-openproxy@imc.org> Subject: Re: SMTP Use Cases References: <6.1.2.0.2.20041113160612.0dd0a9f0@mail.utel.net> <20041113142720.P68728@measurement-factory.com> In-Reply-To: <20041113142720.P68728@measurement-factory.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-openproxy/mail-archive/> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-openproxy-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> List-ID: <ietf-openproxy.imc.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b19722fc8d3865b147c75ae2495625f2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Our proposed charter includes a delivery for "SMTP Use Cases Document", so we've to document the use cases separately. Martin and Abbie already indicated to be willing to work on thisdocument - other volunteers welcome, of course. Martin, Abbie - could you please start collecting all the use cases into a "SMTP USe Cases Draft" and start sharing the evolving document with the group? Thanks, Markus Alex Rousskov wrote: > > Martin, > > Are you collecting these cases somewhere? Looks like we already have > quite a few, together with recent jfcm additions. However, many lack > details. Is now a good time to decide what to do with them? I recall we > were thinking about either including them in SMTP Adaptations draft or > documenting them separately... > > Alex. > > > On Sat, 13 Nov 2004, jfcm wrote: > >> I will add another important service: mail anonymizing. > > From owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Sun Nov 14 11:39:22 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA24391 for <opes-archive@ietf.org>; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 11:39:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CTNRF-0005kv-8l for opes-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 11:41:17 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iAEGQjEc039845; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:26:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iAEGQjtr039844; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:26:45 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from ppsw-5.csi.cam.ac.uk (ppsw-5.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.135]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iAEGQebR039834 for <ietf-openproxy@imc.org>; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:26:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fanf2@hermes.cam.ac.uk) Received: from hermes-1.csi.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.51]:41138) by ppsw-5.csi.cam.ac.uk (ppsw.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.135]:25) with esmtp id 1CTND6-00066r-JE (Exim 4.43) for ietf-openproxy@imc.org (return-path <fanf2@hermes.cam.ac.uk>); Sun, 14 Nov 2004 16:26:40 +0000 Received: from fanf2 (helo=localhost) by hermes-1.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CTND6-0002p4-KR; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 16:26:40 +0000 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 16:26:40 +0000 From: Tony Finch <dot@dotat.at> X-X-Sender: fanf2@hermes-1.csi.cam.ac.uk To: jfcm <info@utel.net> cc: "OPES WG (E-mail)" <ietf-openproxy@imc.org> Subject: Re: SMTP Use Cases In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20041113171437.0dd160d0@mail.utel.net> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0411141626140.15106@hermes-1.csi.cam.ac.uk> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20041113160612.0dd0a9f0@mail.utel.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20041113171437.0dd160d0@mail.utel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Cam-ScannerInfo: http://www.cam.ac.uk/cs/email/scanner/ X-Cam-AntiVirus: No virus found X-Cam-SpamDetails: Not scanned Sender: owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-openproxy/mail-archive/> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-openproxy-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> List-ID: <ietf-openproxy.imc.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c On Sun, 14 Nov 2004, jfcm wrote: > 2. virtual transfers. When the same mail is sent to several recipients, the > first copy could be transfered with meta data defining the others to rebuild > on the arriving MTA. SMTP already provides this. Tony. -- f.a.n.finch <dot@dotat.at> http://dotat.at/ MALIN HEBRIDES: NORTHEAST 4 OR 5 INCREASING 6. RAIN LATER. GOOD BECOMING MODERATE. From owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Sun Nov 14 14:54:39 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA06364 for <opes-archive@ietf.org>; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 14:54:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CTQU4-0005bo-P7 for opes-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 14:56:36 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iAEJhkXg059465; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 11:43:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iAEJhknl059464; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 11:43:46 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from montage.altserver.com (montage.altserver.com [63.247.74.122]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iAEJhfKS059456 for <ietf-openproxy@imc.org>; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 11:43:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from info@utel.net) Received: from [82.251.156.182] (helo=jfc.afrac.org) by montage.altserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1CTQHY-0000l2-2B; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 11:43:28 -0800 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20041114202844.043db8f0@mail.utel.net> X-Sender: info+utel.net@mail.utel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 20:43:04 +0100 To: Markus Hofmann <markus@mhof.com>, "OPES WG (E-mail)" <ietf-openproxy@imc.org> From: jfcm <info@utel.net> Subject: Re: SMTP Use Cases In-Reply-To: <41975EF3.1000800@mhof.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20041113160612.0dd0a9f0@mail.utel.net> <20041113142720.P68728@measurement-factory.com> <41975EF3.1000800@mhof.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-37901681 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - montage.altserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - imc.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - utel.net Sender: owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-openproxy/mail-archive/> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-openproxy-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> List-ID: <ietf-openproxy.imc.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 May I suggest to use a Wiki? The work that James Seng made for the attempt to define the new generation mail in using a wiki was quite good to collect and sort suggestions - and could also give some application ideas? http://james.seng.cc/wiki/wiki.cgi?Mail-NG jfc At 14:34 14/11/2004, Markus Hofmann wrote: >Our proposed charter includes a delivery for "SMTP Use Cases Document", so >we've to document the use cases separately. >Martin and Abbie already indicated to be willing to work on this document >- other volunteers welcome, of course. >Martin, Abbie - could you please start collecting all the use cases into a >"SMTP USe Cases Draft" and start sharing the evolving document with the group? From owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Sun Nov 14 15:18:03 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA08471 for <opes-archive@ietf.org>; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 15:18:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CTQqu-0006Vl-1p for opes-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 15:20:00 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iAEKAKhE061049; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 12:10:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iAEKAKh5061048; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 12:10:20 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from measurement-factory.com (measurement-factory.com [206.168.0.5]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iAEKAKI4061042 for <ietf-openproxy@imc.org>; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 12:10:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rousskov@measurement-factory.com) Received: from measurement-factory.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by measurement-factory.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iAEKANJ2068947; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 13:10:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rousskov@measurement-factory.com) Received: (from rousskov@localhost) by measurement-factory.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id iAEKANmD068946; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 13:10:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rousskov) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 13:10:23 -0700 (MST) From: Alex Rousskov <rousskov@measurement-factory.com> To: jfcm <info@utel.net> cc: Markus Hofmann <markus@mhof.com>, "OPES WG (E-mail)" <ietf-openproxy@imc.org> Subject: Re: SMTP Use Cases In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20041114202844.043db8f0@mail.utel.net> Message-ID: <20041114130517.T60832@measurement-factory.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20041113160612.0dd0a9f0@mail.utel.net> <20041113142720.P68728@measurement-factory.com> <41975EF3.1000800@mhof.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20041114202844.043db8f0@mail.utel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Sender: owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-openproxy/mail-archive/> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-openproxy-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> List-ID: <ietf-openproxy.imc.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 52e1467c2184c31006318542db5614d5 I agree that wikis can be good for collecting ideas. On the other hand, we need a draft as a result. Thus, a wiki would be a temporary or intermediate thing. If we have enough ideas to sketch a draft, we might as well do that without the overheads. Also, AFAIK, IETF does not provide wiki space for WGs yet. I guess it would be up to draft authors (Martin and Abbie) to agree on whether/how to set one up and, if a wiki is established, how to transfer wiki entries into the draft. Alex. On Sun, 14 Nov 2004, jfcm wrote: > > May I suggest to use a Wiki? The work that James Seng made for the attempt to > define the new generation mail in using a wiki was quite good to collect and > sort suggestions - and could also give some application ideas? > http://james.seng.cc/wiki/wiki.cgi?Mail-NG > > jfc > > At 14:34 14/11/2004, Markus Hofmann wrote: >> Our proposed charter includes a delivery for "SMTP Use Cases Document", so >> we've to document the use cases separately. >> Martin and Abbie already indicated to be willing to work on this document - >> other volunteers welcome, of course. >> Martin, Abbie - could you please start collecting all the use cases into a >> "SMTP USe Cases Draft" and start sharing the evolving document with the >> group? > > > From owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Sun Nov 14 18:20:41 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA20639 for <opes-archive@ietf.org>; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 18:20:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CTThM-0005OS-GE for opes-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 18:22:41 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iAEN9lfp075232; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 15:09:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iAEN9lXm075231; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 15:09:47 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from montage.altserver.com (montage.altserver.com [63.247.74.122]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iAEN9kmn075224 for <ietf-openproxy@imc.org>; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 15:09:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from info@utel.net) Received: from [82.251.156.182] (helo=jfc.afrac.org) by montage.altserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1CTTVF-0003UX-TD; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 15:09:50 -0800 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20041114233121.0440b700@mail.utel.net> X-Sender: info+utel.net@mail.utel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 00:09:33 +0100 To: Alex Rousskov <rousskov@measurement-factory.com> From: jfcm <info@utel.net> Subject: Re: SMTP Use Cases Cc: Markus Hofmann <markus@mhof.com>, "OPES WG (E-mail)" <ietf-openproxy@imc.org> In-Reply-To: <20041114130517.T60832@measurement-factory.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20041113160612.0dd0a9f0@mail.utel.net> <20041113142720.P68728@measurement-factory.com> <41975EF3.1000800@mhof.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20041114202844.043db8f0@mail.utel.net> <20041114130517.T60832@measurement-factory.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-37901681 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - montage.altserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - imc.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - utel.net Sender: owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-openproxy/mail-archive/> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-openproxy-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> List-ID: <ietf-openproxy.imc.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 At 21:10 14/11/2004, Alex Rousskov wrote: >I guess it would be up to draft authors (Martin and Abbie) to agree on >whether/how to set one up and, if a wiki is established, how to transfer >wiki entries into the draft. The online toof for Draft formating works well enough. Not exactly direct pasting (xml tags are to be entered manually, but not complex and quick enough). I can do that (no Frenglish needed:-), pasting from the wiki and entering the adopted format. jfc From owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Sun Nov 14 18:35:36 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA21780 for <opes-archive@ietf.org>; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 18:35:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CTTw7-00062Q-9O for opes-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 18:37:35 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iAENRsEn076199; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 15:27:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iAENRsgs076198; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 15:27:54 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from measurement-factory.com (measurement-factory.com [206.168.0.5]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iAENRrut076192 for <ietf-openproxy@imc.org>; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 15:27:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rousskov@measurement-factory.com) Received: from measurement-factory.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by measurement-factory.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iAENRuJ2078387; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 16:27:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rousskov@measurement-factory.com) Received: (from rousskov@localhost) by measurement-factory.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id iAENRuTc078386; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 16:27:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rousskov) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 16:27:56 -0700 (MST) From: Alex Rousskov <rousskov@measurement-factory.com> To: jfcm <info@utel.net> cc: "OPES WG (E-mail)" <ietf-openproxy@imc.org> Subject: Re: SMTP Use Cases In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20041114233121.0440b700@mail.utel.net> Message-ID: <20041114162016.C60832@measurement-factory.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20041113160612.0dd0a9f0@mail.utel.net> <20041113142720.P68728@measurement-factory.com> <41975EF3.1000800@mhof.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20041114202844.043db8f0@mail.utel.net> <20041114130517.T60832@measurement-factory.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20041114233121.0440b700@mail.utel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Sender: owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-openproxy/mail-archive/> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-openproxy-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> List-ID: <ietf-openproxy.imc.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 On Mon, 15 Nov 2004, jfcm wrote: > At 21:10 14/11/2004, Alex Rousskov wrote: >> I guess it would be up to draft authors (Martin and Abbie) to agree on >> whether/how to set one up and, if a wiki is established, how to transfer >> wiki entries into the draft. > > The online toof for Draft formating works well enough. Not exactly > direct pasting (xml tags are to be entered manually, but not complex > and quick enough). I can do that (no Frenglish needed:-), pasting > from the wiki and entering the adopted format. It is not cut-and-pasting that is difficult and both Martin and Abbie have been using xml2rfc. The challenge is to keep wiki pages (authored by many without much coordination) in sync with the draft (authored by two). Based on my limited experience with wikis, I would either do a temporary wiki page and then freeze it and go into draft mode OR bypass the wiki altogether since we have many cases already. YMMV. Authors should decide what works best for them, IMO. Alex. From owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Mon Nov 15 05:57:29 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA15688 for <opes-archive@ietf.org>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 05:57:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CTea6-0004RG-8t for opes-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 05:59:34 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iAFAfhog048427; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 02:41:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iAFAfhIk048426; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 02:41:43 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from zrtps0kn.nortelnetworks.com (zrtps0kn.nortelnetworks.com [47.140.192.55]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iAFAfgrO048362 for <ietf-openproxy@imc.org>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 02:41:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from abbieb@nortelnetworks.com) Received: from zrtpd0jn.us.nortel.com (zrtpd0jn.us.nortel.com [47.140.202.35]) by zrtps0kn.nortelnetworks.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id iAFAfU409670; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 05:41:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by zrtpd0jn.us.nortel.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <W55P68YL>; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 05:41:31 -0500 Message-ID: <87AC5F88F03E6249AEA68D40BD3E00BE021FE004@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> From: "Abbie Barbir" <abbieb@nortelnetworks.com> To: Markus Hofmann <markus@mhof.com>, "OPES WG (E-mail)" <ietf-openproxy@imc.org> Subject: RE: SMTP Use Cases Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 05:41:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C4CAFF.A6E99BE4" Sender: owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-openproxy/mail-archive/> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-openproxy-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> List-ID: <ietf-openproxy.imc.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d2b46e3b2dfbff2088e0b72a54104985 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4CAFF.A6E99BE4 Content-Type: text/plain Markus, We will do ASAP Abbie > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org > [mailto:owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Markus Hofmann > Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 8:35 AM > To: OPES WG (E-mail) > Subject: Re: SMTP Use Cases > > > > Our proposed charter includes a delivery for "SMTP Use Cases > Document", so we've to document the use cases separately. > > Martin and Abbie already indicated to be willing to work on > thisdocument - other volunteers welcome, of course. > > Martin, Abbie - could you please start collecting all the use cases > into a "SMTP USe Cases Draft" and start sharing the evolving document > with the group? > > Thanks, > Markus > > Alex Rousskov wrote: > > > > Martin, > > > > Are you collecting these cases somewhere? Looks like we already > > have > > quite a few, together with recent jfcm additions. However, > many lack > > details. Is now a good time to decide what to do with them? > I recall we > > were thinking about either including them in SMTP > Adaptations draft or > > documenting them separately... > > > > Alex. > > > > > > On Sat, 13 Nov 2004, jfcm wrote: > > > >> I will add another important service: mail anonymizing. > > > > > > > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4CAFF.A6E99BE4 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dus-ascii"> <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version = 5.5.2658.2"> <TITLE>RE: SMTP Use Cases

Markus,

We will do ASAP

Abbie
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org
> [mailto:owner-ietf-open= proxy@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Markus Hofmann
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 8:35 AM
> To: OPES WG (E-mail)
> Subject: Re: SMTP Use Cases
>
>
>
> Our proposed charter includes a delivery for = "SMTP Use Cases
> Document", so we've to document the use = cases separately.
>
> Martin and Abbie already indicated to be = willing to work on
> thisdocument - other volunteers welcome, of = course.
>
> Martin, Abbie - could you please start = collecting all the use cases
> into a "SMTP USe Cases Draft" and = start sharing the evolving document
> with the group?
>
> Thanks,
>    Markus
>
> Alex Rousskov wrote:
> >
> > Martin,
> >
> >     Are you collecting = these cases somewhere? Looks like we already
> > have
> > quite a few, together with recent jfcm = additions. However,
> many lack
> > details. Is now a good time to decide what = to do with them?
> I recall we
> > were thinking about either including them = in SMTP
> Adaptations draft or
> > documenting them separately...
> >
> > Alex.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 13 Nov 2004, jfcm wrote:
> >
> >> I will add another important service: = mail anonymizing.
> >
> >
>
>
>

------_=_NextPart_001_01C4CAFF.A6E99BE4-- From owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Mon Nov 15 08:04:55 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA22604 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 08:04:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CTgZF-0006b0-S6 for opes-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 08:07:00 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iAFCohkw027031; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 04:50:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iAFCohcf027030; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 04:50:43 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail2.webwasher.com (wwsmtp2.webwasher.com [213.70.80.11]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iAFCof32026781 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 04:50:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from martin.stecher@WEBWASHER.com) Received: from mail.WEBWASHER.COM [192.168.0.251] by mail2.webwasher.com id 1VUW8YB3 outgoing id 1VUW8YB3; 15 Nov 2004 13:50:15 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C4CB11.A7462090" Subject: RE: SMTP Use Cases Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:50:15 +0100 Message-ID: <75F7E67FC45F6744A7D328D41E35376D2A06C5@mail.webwasher.com> Thread-Topic: SMTP Use Cases Thread-Index: AcTLA3/o4EXnlp6TSOy4pA+q3hdZ+AADTzwA From: "Martin Stecher" To: "OPES WG (E-mail)" Sender: owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ed68cc91cc637fea89623888898579ba This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4CB11.A7462090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As a first step I compiled and listed the suggested ideas in one = document. Includes references to the email archive for reference. =20 I do not have a wiki that could be accessed from the Internet, so I just = made the list an HTML file and host it here: http://www.martin-stecher.de/opes/smtpusecases.html =20 Let me know about additions and comments. (Preferred: send a message to = this list in this thread). I'll update the web page then. =20 Abbie and I can then work with that list as input for the draft and = probably use xml2rfc again. =20 Regards Martin =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org = [mailto:owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org]On Behalf Of Abbie Barbir Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 11:41 AM To: Markus Hofmann; OPES WG (E-mail) Subject: RE: SMTP Use Cases Markus,=20 We will do ASAP=20 Abbie=20 > -----Original Message-----=20 > From: owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org=20 > [ mailto:owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Markus = Hofmann=20 > Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 8:35 AM=20 > To: OPES WG (E-mail)=20 > Subject: Re: SMTP Use Cases=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Our proposed charter includes a delivery for "SMTP Use Cases=20 > Document", so we've to document the use cases separately.=20 >=20 > Martin and Abbie already indicated to be willing to work on=20 > thisdocument - other volunteers welcome, of course.=20 >=20 > Martin, Abbie - could you please start collecting all the use cases=20 > into a "SMTP USe Cases Draft" and start sharing the evolving document=20 > with the group?=20 >=20 > Thanks,=20 > Markus=20 >=20 > Alex Rousskov wrote:=20 > >=20 > > Martin,=20 > >=20 > > Are you collecting these cases somewhere? Looks like we already=20 > > have=20 > > quite a few, together with recent jfcm additions. However,=20 > many lack=20 > > details. Is now a good time to decide what to do with them?=20 > I recall we=20 > > were thinking about either including them in SMTP=20 > Adaptations draft or=20 > > documenting them separately...=20 > >=20 > > Alex.=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > On Sat, 13 Nov 2004, jfcm wrote:=20 > >=20 > >> I will add another important service: mail anonymizing.=20 > >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4CB11.A7462090 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: SMTP Use Cases
As a=20 first step I compiled and listed the suggested ideas in one=20 document.
Includes references to the email archive for=20 reference.
 
I do=20 not have a wiki that could be accessed from the Internet, so I just made = the=20 list an HTML file and host it here:
http://www.m= artin-stecher.de/opes/smtpusecases.html
 
Let me=20 know about additions and comments. (Preferred: send a message to this = list in=20 this thread).
I'll=20 update the web page then.
 
Abbie=20 and I can then work with that list as input for the draft and probably = use xml2rfc again.
 
Regards
Martin
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org=20 [mailto:owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org]On Behalf Of Abbie=20 Barbir
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 11:41 = AM
To: Markus=20 Hofmann; OPES WG (E-mail)
Subject: RE: SMTP Use=20 Cases


Markus,

We will do ASAP

Abbie
> -----Original=20 Message-----
> From:=20 owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org
> [mailto:owner-ietf-openp= roxy@mail.imc.org]=20 On Behalf Of Markus Hofmann
> Sent: = Sunday,=20 November 14, 2004 8:35 AM
> To: OPES WG=20 (E-mail)
> Subject: Re: SMTP Use = Cases=20
>
> =
>
> Our proposed charter = includes a=20 delivery for "SMTP Use Cases
> Document", = so we've=20 to document the use cases separately.
>=20
> Martin and Abbie already indicated to = be willing=20 to work on
> thisdocument - other = volunteers=20 welcome, of course.
>
>=20 Martin, Abbie - could you please start collecting all the use cases=20
> into a "SMTP USe Cases Draft" and start = sharing=20 the evolving document
> with the = group?=20
>
> Thanks, =
>    Markus
>=20
> Alex Rousskov wrote:
>=20 >
> > Martin,
>=20 >
> >     Are = you=20 collecting these cases somewhere? Looks like we already =
> > have
> > quite a = few, together=20 with recent jfcm additions. However,
> = many lack=20
> > details. Is now a good time to = decide what=20 to do with them?
> I recall we =
> > were thinking about either including them in SMTP=20
> Adaptations draft or
>=20 > documenting them separately...
> = >=20
> > Alex.
> >=20
> >
> = > On Sat, 13=20 Nov 2004, jfcm wrote:
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Probably several cases and ways. I understand that this could be: An MTA sends a message to another MTA. Due to network problems the connection aborts while sending the email in the DATA command. "Resuming the interrupted sending" will allow to start a second attempt and only send the part of the message that the receiver didn't get in the first run? To me this seems to require additional commands in the SMTP dialog. Should we propose OPES use cases for SMTP additions that are not yet defined? I think we should do better without those. > 2. virtual transfers. When the same mail is sent to several > recipients, the > first copy could be transfered with meta data defining the others to > rebuild on the arriving MTA. Agree with Tony. This is is already part of SMTP (multiple "rcpt to"). > 3. compression during transfer > If this should be something like a Transfer-Encoding, it is outside of OPES. If you think about a content encoding for compression, it is another example of case 1-6 "Format Conversion". Do you agree? Regards Martin From owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Mon Nov 15 10:15:11 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA01569 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:15:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CTibV-0000dt-8Q for opes-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:17:18 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iAFF2Y4F080069; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 07:02:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iAFF2YUo080068; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 07:02:34 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from montage.altserver.com (montage.altserver.com [63.247.74.122]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iAFF2Tk4079996 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 07:02:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from info@utel.net) Received: from [82.249.4.56] (helo=jfc.afrac.org) by montage.altserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1CTiN8-0006jf-Ia; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 07:02:27 -0800 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20041115145418.058585c0@mail.utel.net> X-Sender: info+utel.net@mail.utel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:24:13 +0100 To: "Martin Stecher" , "OPES WG (E-mail)" From: jfcm Subject: RE: SMTP Use Cases In-Reply-To: <75F7E67FC45F6744A7D328D41E35376D2A06C6@mail.webwasher.com> References: <75F7E67FC45F6744A7D328D41E35376D2A06C6@mail.webwasher.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-2D20D8D X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - montage.altserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - imc.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - utel.net Sender: owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: fb6060cb60c0cea16e3f7219e40a0a81 At 14:27 15/11/2004, Martin Stecher wrote: >jfc, > > > > > 1. resuming interrupted sending. Probably several cases and ways. > >I understand that this could be: > An MTA sends a message to another MTA. Due to network problems > the connection aborts while sending the email in the DATA command. > "Resuming the interrupted sending" will allow to start a second > attempt and only send the part of the message that the recno > didn't get in the first run? > >To me this seems to require additional commands in the SMTP dialog. >Should we propose OPES use cases for SMTP additions that are not >yet defined? I think we should do better without those. Martin, the interest of OPES/SMTP is that it can provide services on top of SMTP without changing SMPT (or this would not be an OPES whatever this may mean) but an ESMTP additional feature. The use as I see for example for South Pacific Islands, ships, space craft, mobiles etc. one OPESMTP filter on each end of the link and two servers. They notes the headers and forget them once the transfer is completed. When an uncompleted mail is resent the sending side OPES sends a message to the OPES on the receiving end to reinject the part it already has. This same mechanism could also be used to send a multiple copy mail only once. > > 2. virtual transfers. When the same mail is sent to several > > recipients, the > > first copy could be transfered with meta data defining the others to > > rebuild on the arriving MTA. > >Agree with Tony. This is is already part of SMTP (multiple "rcpt to"). I am not sure as I am not SMTP header. But I do not think so as this is not UA or MTA related but bandwidth management related. The group of SMTP hosts to be supported (filtered) should be reported to the OPES system. > >3. compression during transfer > > > >If this should be something like a Transfer-Encoding, it is outside >of OPES. If you think about a content encoding for compression, it is >another example of case 1-6 "Format Conversion". >Do you agree? Again, I am not versed enough in SMTPing to fully understand the question. Better I give and example and take back the SoPac case. The point is to enhance the satellite link usage or provide delayed delivery in case of temporary failures. Compression may be considered only between the sending and receiving ends. This is just on a network segment. This could be used for many other applications, but SMTP is a much demanded one with its own specifics. Example: right now on the main list is discussed the case of 10 M Yahoo attachments with a usual limit of 2 M. The transfer of a large attachment could be negotiated vs compression, delayed transfer at off-peak hours, routing through another link, delivery to another equivalent mail box (using for example a low priority MX address, etc.) I fully agree that we do not want to propose changes to SMTP (all the more than I consider SMTP being overloaded as the reason of spam). 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From owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Fri Nov 19 23:20:42 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA28520 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 23:20:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CVMmp-0002fC-3x for opes-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 23:23:47 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iAK49Pv0052065; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:09:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iAK49PuH052064; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:09:25 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from montage.altserver.com (montage.altserver.com [63.247.74.122]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iAK49IUV052014 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:09:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from info@utel.net) Received: from [82.249.0.174] (helo=jfc.afrac.org) by montage.altserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1CVMYs-0001Qt-3e; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:09:22 -0800 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20041120013350.03d66080@mail.utel.net> X-Sender: info+utel.net@mail.utel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 05:09:11 +0100 To: Markus Hofmann , OPES Group From: jfcm Subject: Re: New Charter has been approved In-Reply-To: <419E8780.9090201@mhof.com> References: <419E8780.9090201@mhof.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-7EA1390 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - montage.altserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - imc.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - utel.net Sender: owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 At 00:53 20/11/2004, Markus Hofmann wrote: >Folks, >good news - we just heard that our re-charter has been approved. A formal >announcement should go out shortly. >So, let's get started on our new deliverables - first one being the SMTP >Use Cases draft. Congratulations! I totally disapprove that one could call OPES what is intended to be discussed. IMHO it is a serious change in the network architecture - even more than NATs (the way you conceive OPES now is a virtual networked NAT). But it will be really fun and can really be useful! Great. BTW since I find Hurting the way you understand OPES, and it can really change the networo for the better, may be could we name them HOPES :-) More seriously, I suggest that we carefully describe the deliverable in not enligting too much - but fully documenting - how it can be used against spam. So the demand for anti-spam comes from outside, rather than we look selling it. We may get more development funding from people with business HOPES (our promoting would be done by word of the mouth). We may also be criticized if OPES actually do not deliver, once we start testing or if takes time. Just a suggestion. jfc From owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Fri Nov 19 23:55:08 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA01315 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 23:55:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CVNKA-0003KB-5U for opes-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 23:58:15 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iAK4k5Hh064258; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:46:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iAK4k5ts064257; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:46:05 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from measurement-factory.com (measurement-factory.com [206.168.0.5]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iAK4k42U064217 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:46:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rousskov@measurement-factory.com) Received: from measurement-factory.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by measurement-factory.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iAK4k9J2031267; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:46:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rousskov@measurement-factory.com) Received: (from rousskov@localhost) by measurement-factory.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id iAK4k9Fe031266; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:46:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rousskov) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:46:09 -0700 (MST) From: Alex Rousskov To: jfcm cc: Markus Hofmann , OPES Group Subject: Re: New Charter has been approved In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20041120013350.03d66080@mail.utel.net> Message-ID: <20041119214125.E30478@measurement-factory.com> References: <419E8780.9090201@mhof.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20041120013350.03d66080@mail.utel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Sender: owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7d33c50f3756db14428398e2bdedd581 Spam is one of the proposed Use Cases, right? Since ICAP is already being used to do spam filtering (even though it is awkward to apply ICAP to SMTP) we should have no problem documenting the need for OPES for this particular use case. Thanks, Alex. On Sat, 20 Nov 2004, jfcm wrote: > More seriously, I suggest that we carefully describe the deliverable > in not enligting too much - but fully documenting - how it can be > used against spam. So the demand for anti-spam comes from outside, > rather than we look selling it. We may get more development funding > from people with business HOPES (our promoting would be done by word > of the mouth). We may also be criticized if OPES actually do not > deliver, once we start testing or if takes time. Just a suggestion. 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Perhaps our use cases will help us decide? 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