Return-Path: X-Original-To: pmol-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-pmol-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23D443A6919; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:59:24 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: pmol@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pmol@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51ED63A6919 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:59:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.176 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.176 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.620, BAYES_00=-2.599, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.803, SARE_LWSHORTT=1.24, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z6jOA2DembwB for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:59:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail146.messagelabs.com (mail146.messagelabs.com [216.82.241.147]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 487793A67FC for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:59:21 -0800 (PST) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: acmorton@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-13.tower-146.messagelabs.com!1227290357!3174309!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.12.14.2; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.128.141] Received: (qmail 12709 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2008 17:59:17 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp9.sbc.com (HELO flph161.enaf.ffdc.sbc.com) (144.160.128.141) by server-13.tower-146.messagelabs.com with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 21 Nov 2008 17:59:17 -0000 Received: from enaf.ffdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by flph161.enaf.ffdc.sbc.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mALHxGne032629 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:59:16 -0800 Received: from klph001.kcdc.att.com (klph001.kcdc.att.com [135.188.3.11]) by flph161.enaf.ffdc.sbc.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mALHx9s4032076 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:59:10 -0800 Received: from kcdc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by klph001.kcdc.att.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mALHx9i5005008 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:59:09 -0600 Received: from maillennium.att.com (mailgw1.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by klph001.kcdc.att.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mALHx8Qf004996 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:59:08 -0600 Message-Id: <200811211759.mALHx8Qf004996@klph001.kcdc.att.com> Received: from acmt.att.com (unknown[135.210.106.28](misconfigured sender)) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with SMTP id <20081121175907gw1000u64me>; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:59:07 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:59:06 -0500 To: pmol@ietf.org From: Al Morton Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [PMOL] Comment on framework 01 X-BeenThere: pmol@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance Metrics at Other Layers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: pmol-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pmol-bounces@ietf.org Alan, As we discussed yesterday, please consider this comment as part of the WG Last Call (message to follow): Section 3.4.3 ... (iv) Reporting Model The Reporting Model definition is intended to make any relationship between the metric and the reporting model clear. There are often implied relationships between the method of reporting metrics and the metric itself, however these are often not made apparent to the implementor. For example, if the metric is a short term running average packet delay variation (e.g. PPDV as defined in RFC3550) however this value is reported at intervals of 6-10 seconds this results in a sampling model which may have limited accuracy if packet delay variation is non-stationary. I suggest we use the metric name from RFC 3550 to help people find the reference there, as follows: ... For example, if the metric is a short term running average source-to-receiver packet spacing difference (e.g. D(i,j) as defined in RFC3550), then the value is typically reported at intervals of 6-10 seconds. This reporting frequency results in a sampling model which may have limited accuracy if the inter-packet delay variation is non-stationary. Al _______________________________________________ PMOL mailing list PMOL@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pmol Return-Path: X-Original-To: pmol-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-pmol-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BD913A6A3D; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:30:39 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: pmol@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pmol@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E3CE3A6A56 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:30:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.796 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.796 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.803, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G9q6QuacoT2V for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:30:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail120.messagelabs.com (mail120.messagelabs.com [216.82.250.83]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEAFF3A6A3D for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:30:36 -0800 (PST) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: acmorton@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-8.tower-120.messagelabs.com!1227220234!33528998!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.12.14.2; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.128.141] Received: (qmail 9334 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2008 22:30:34 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp9.sbc.com (HELO flph161.enaf.ffdc.sbc.com) (144.160.128.141) by server-8.tower-120.messagelabs.com with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 20 Nov 2008 22:30:34 -0000 Received: from enaf.ffdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by flph161.enaf.ffdc.sbc.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mAKMUYIZ032425 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:30:34 -0800 Received: from klph001.kcdc.att.com (klph001.kcdc.att.com [135.188.3.11]) by flph161.enaf.ffdc.sbc.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mAKMUTHZ032379 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:30:30 -0800 Received: from kcdc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by klph001.kcdc.att.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAKMUTNj023384 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:30:29 -0600 Received: from maillennium.att.com (dns.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by klph001.kcdc.att.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mAKMUNX7023290 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:30:23 -0600 Message-Id: <200811202230.mAKMUNX7023290@klph001.kcdc.att.com> Received: from acmt.att.com (unknown[135.210.128.111](misconfigured sender)) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with SMTP id <20081120223023gw1000u6vve>; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:30:23 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:30:22 -0500 To: pmol@ietf.org From: Al Morton In-Reply-To: <200811180116.mAI1GUBa018553@klph001.kcdc.att.com> References: <200811180116.mAI1GUBa018553@klph001.kcdc.att.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [PMOL] Remote Participation URLs IETF-73 X-BeenThere: pmol@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance Metrics at Other Layers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: pmol-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pmol-bounces@ietf.org All the slides are now posted. At 08:16 PM 11/17/2008, Al Morton wrote: >For those who wish to participate remotely, we have: > >Start time: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 1740-1930 (GMT-600) >Afternoon Session III >Room: Duluth > >Much of the info below is available on the tools team agenda: >http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/73/ > >Jabber Instructions >http://jabber.ietf.org/ >Jabber Room >pmol@jabber.ietf.org > >Slides, not all posted yet (scroll down to OPS area) >https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/73/materials.html > >Unicast Audio >http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ >pmol is on Channel 7 > >Al >pmol co-chair > >_______________________________________________ >PMOL mailing list >PMOL@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pmol _______________________________________________ PMOL mailing list PMOL@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pmol Return-Path: X-Original-To: pmol-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-pmol-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D8728C0D0; 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Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:16:30 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:16:31 -0500 To: pmol@ietf.org From: Al Morton Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [PMOL] Remote Participation URLs IETF-73 X-BeenThere: pmol@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance Metrics at Other Layers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: pmol-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pmol-bounces@ietf.org For those who wish to participate remotely, we have: Start time: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 1740-1930 (GMT-600) Afternoon Session III Room: Duluth Much of the info below is available on the tools team agenda: http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/73/ Jabber Instructions http://jabber.ietf.org/ Jabber Room pmol@jabber.ietf.org Slides, not all posted yet (scroll down to OPS area) https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/73/materials.html Unicast Audio http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ pmol is on Channel 7 Al pmol co-chair _______________________________________________ PMOL mailing list PMOL@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pmol Return-Path: X-Original-To: pmol-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-pmol-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DDC328C1AA; 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Fri, 14 Nov 2008 13:20:11 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 08:20:11 -0500 To: "Marian Delkinov" , "Alan Clark" , "Daryl Malas" From: Al Morton In-Reply-To: <40D78CDB69283744A4B07581DDFDEB550163A128@esealmw106.eemea. ericsson.se> References: <200811042104.mA4L4AgE024719@klph001.kcdc.att.com> <40D78CDB69283744A4B07581DDFDEB550163A128@esealmw106.eemea.ericsson.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: pmol@ietf.org Subject: Re: [PMOL] Draft Agenda for pmol at IETF-73 X-BeenThere: pmol@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance Metrics at Other Layers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: pmol-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pmol-bounces@ietf.org Mario, Thanks for expressing your opinion, and also for your careful review! Al At 04:58 AM 11/14/2008, Marian Delkinov wrote: >Al, Alan, Daryl, > >Since I won't be able to participate in IETF-73, just want to say few >words about >2. SIP Metrics Draft >http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pmol-sip-perf-metrics-02 > >I went through the document once more and practically I have no more >comments on it. My last remarks about Chapters 4.7 and 4.8 have been >taken into account and the document updated. I fully support it. > >Best regards! >Mario. > >Marian Delkinov >Service Layer and Multimedia >ERICSSON AB >Sweden > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: pmol-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pmol-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of >Al Morton >Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 10:04 PM >To: pmol@ietf.org >Subject: [PMOL] Draft Agenda for pmol at IETF-73 > >Performance Metrics for Other Layers WG (pmol) > >Thursday, November 20, 2008, 1740-1930 Afternoon Session III >Room: Duluth > >Co-Chairs: >Al Morton >Alan Clark > >Please help contribute to a successful meeting by reading the drafts and >references before we meet. > >Agenda: Draft of 11/4/08 > >0. Agenda Bashing > >1. WG Status >http://tools.ietf.org/wg/pmol/ > >2. SIP Metrics Draft (review WGLC comment resolutions) >http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pmol-sip-perf-metrics-02 > >3. Framework and Guidelines Draft >http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-01 > >4. Discussion of Future of PMOL > - Is there a continued need for PMOL, as a WG or as a Directorate? > - Presentation on Application Performance Monitoring > >5. AOB > >Please contact the co-chairs directly with any proposals. > >To offer comments on PMOL work in progress or the agenda itself, please >send email to: > > pmol@ietf.org > > >_______________________________________________ >PMOL mailing list >PMOL@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pmol _______________________________________________ PMOL mailing list PMOL@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pmol Return-Path: X-Original-To: pmol-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-pmol-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AF263A69D4; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 02:01:33 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: pmol@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pmol@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42A493A69D4 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 02:01:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DHcmDceKsqpO for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 02:01:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se (mailgw3.ericsson.se [193.180.251.60]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38AFC3A6998 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 02:01:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id F0577220C9; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:01:27 +0100 (CET) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3c-ab0c8bb0000015b5-1c-491d4bd49592 Received: from esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.124]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 831F62131F; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:58:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from esealmw106.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.200.69]) by esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:58:37 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:58:36 +0100 Message-ID: <40D78CDB69283744A4B07581DDFDEB550163A128@esealmw106.eemea.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: <200811042104.mA4L4AgE024719@klph001.kcdc.att.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [PMOL] Draft Agenda for pmol at IETF-73 thread-index: Ack+wP4cXtLOxOSQSe6Djhp3SN4URQHeE1Yw References: <200811042104.mA4L4AgE024719@klph001.kcdc.att.com> From: "Marian Delkinov" To: "Al Morton" , "Alan Clark" , "Daryl Malas" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Nov 2008 09:58:37.0390 (UTC) FILETIME=[904206E0:01C9463F] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Cc: pmol@ietf.org Subject: Re: [PMOL] Draft Agenda for pmol at IETF-73 X-BeenThere: pmol@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance Metrics at Other Layers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: pmol-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pmol-bounces@ietf.org Al, Alan, Daryl, Since I won't be able to participate in IETF-73, just want to say few words about 2. SIP Metrics Draft http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pmol-sip-perf-metrics-02 I went through the document once more and practically I have no more comments on it. My last remarks about Chapters 4.7 and 4.8 have been taken into account and the document updated. I fully support it. Best regards! Mario. Marian Delkinov Service Layer and Multimedia ERICSSON AB Sweden -----Original Message----- From: pmol-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pmol-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Al Morton Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 10:04 PM To: pmol@ietf.org Subject: [PMOL] Draft Agenda for pmol at IETF-73 Performance Metrics for Other Layers WG (pmol) Thursday, November 20, 2008, 1740-1930 Afternoon Session III Room: Duluth Co-Chairs: Al Morton Alan Clark Please help contribute to a successful meeting by reading the drafts and references before we meet. Agenda: Draft of 11/4/08 0. Agenda Bashing 1. WG Status http://tools.ietf.org/wg/pmol/ 2. SIP Metrics Draft (review WGLC comment resolutions) http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pmol-sip-perf-metrics-02 3. Framework and Guidelines Draft http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-01 4. Discussion of Future of PMOL - Is there a continued need for PMOL, as a WG or as a Directorate? - Presentation on Application Performance Monitoring 5. AOB Please contact the co-chairs directly with any proposals. To offer comments on PMOL work in progress or the agenda itself, please send email to: pmol@ietf.org _______________________________________________ PMOL mailing list PMOL@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pmol _______________________________________________ PMOL mailing list PMOL@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pmol Return-Path: X-Original-To: pmol-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-pmol-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53E9A3A6CA5; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:04:57 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: pmol@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pmol@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AE2E28C1FD for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:04:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.73 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.73 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.066, BAYES_00=-2.599, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.803, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10fl9dtf-rs0 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:04:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail121.messagelabs.com (mail121.messagelabs.com [216.82.245.115]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C3253A6C8A for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:04:55 -0800 (PST) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: acmorton@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-15.tower-121.messagelabs.com!1225832661!20976074!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.12.14.2; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.128.141] Received: (qmail 26875 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2008 21:04:22 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp9.sbc.com (HELO flph161.enaf.ffdc.sbc.com) (144.160.128.141) by server-15.tower-121.messagelabs.com with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 21:04:22 -0000 Received: from enaf.ffdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by flph161.enaf.ffdc.sbc.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA4L4LhE027005 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:04:21 -0800 Received: from klph001.kcdc.att.com (klph001.kcdc.att.com [135.188.3.11]) by flph161.enaf.ffdc.sbc.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA4L4Fnn026907 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:04:15 -0800 Received: from kcdc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by klph001.kcdc.att.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA4L4Ffv025325 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 15:04:15 -0600 Received: from maillennium.att.com (dns.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by klph001.kcdc.att.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mA4L4AgE024719 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 15:04:11 -0600 Message-Id: <200811042104.mA4L4AgE024719@klph001.kcdc.att.com> Received: from acmt.att.com (dyp004244dys.mt.att.com[135.16.251.219](misconfigured sender)) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with SMTP id <20081104210410gw1003sni1e>; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:04:10 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:04:10 -0500 To: pmol@ietf.org From: Al Morton Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [PMOL] Draft Agenda for pmol at IETF-73 X-BeenThere: pmol@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance Metrics at Other Layers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: pmol-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pmol-bounces@ietf.org Performance Metrics for Other Layers WG (pmol) Thursday, November 20, 2008, 1740-1930 Afternoon Session III Room: Duluth Co-Chairs: Al Morton Alan Clark Please help contribute to a successful meeting by reading the drafts and references before we meet. Agenda: Draft of 11/4/08 0. Agenda Bashing 1. WG Status http://tools.ietf.org/wg/pmol/ 2. SIP Metrics Draft (review WGLC comment resolutions) http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pmol-sip-perf-metrics-02 3. Framework and Guidelines Draft http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-01 4. Discussion of Future of PMOL - Is there a continued need for PMOL, as a WG or as a Directorate? - Presentation on Application Performance Monitoring 5. AOB Please contact the co-chairs directly with any proposals. To offer comments on PMOL work in progress or the agenda itself, please send email to: pmol@ietf.org _______________________________________________ PMOL mailing list PMOL@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pmol Return-Path: X-Original-To: pmol-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-pmol-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E79603A68E5; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:11:26 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: pmol@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pmol@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C9BD3A6B60; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:11:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.613 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.613 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.076, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_MODEMCABLE=0.768, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE=1.368] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pnDhu5zJ4d1n; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:11:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from ondar.cablelabs.com (ondar.cablelabs.com [192.160.73.61]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16E9F3A67F3; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:10:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from kyzyl.cablelabs.com (kyzyl [10.253.0.7]) by ondar.cablelabs.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA3HAaT4024209; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:10:37 -0700 Received: from srvxchg3.cablelabs.com (10.5.0.25) by kyzyl.cablelabs.com (F-Secure/fsigk_smtp/511/kyzyl.cablelabs.com); Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:10:36 -0700 (MST) X-Virus-Status: clean(F-Secure/fsigk_smtp/511/kyzyl.cablelabs.com) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:10:36 -0700 Message-ID: <160DE07A1C4F8E4AA2715DEC577DA491B1ADBB@srvxchg3.cablelabs.com> In-Reply-To: <20081101210001.6FF973A67E4@core3.amsl.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [PMOL] [Sipping] RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-pmol-sip-perf-metrics-02.txt thread-index: Ack8wruo0iiTpZ3PQByR9IjBAdT6rABE7RLA References: <20081101210001.6FF973A67E4@core3.amsl.com> From: "Daryl Malas" To: X-Approved: ondar Cc: sipping@ietf.org Subject: [PMOL] [Sipping] RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-pmol-sip-perf-metrics-02.txt X-BeenThere: pmol@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance Metrics at Other Layers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: pmol-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pmol-bounces@ietf.org All, As you might remember, the SIP End-to-End Performance Metrics draft completed one WGLC round, and I received feedback and additional comments at the IETF meeting in Dublin. As you can see below, a new version of the SIP End-to-End Performance Metrics draft has been posted. The following is a summary of the changes is this version: - Separation of failed REGISTER requests from the Registration Request Delay metric. These are now within their own metric, Ineffective Registration Attempts. These changes are viewed as significantly improving the RRD metric's output value. - Clarification that successful and failed sessions used to calculate Session Request Delay should not be combined in the same result, as the two will likely have widely varying results causing a combined result to be difficult to trend and understand. Capturing SRD in both failed and successful session attempts is still perceived as valuable, because the affect is directly perceived by a human or machine awaiting the result of a session attempt. - The metrics resulting in a percentage, have had their calculations updated to reflect a percentage result. - A calculation was added for the Session Defects metric. Regards, Daryl ---------------- Daryl Malas CableLabs (o) +1 303 661 3302 (f) +1 303 661 9199 mailto:d.malas@cablelabs.com > -----Original Message----- > From: pmol-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pmol-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Internet-Drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 3:00 PM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: pmol@ietf.org > Subject: [PMOL] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-pmol-sip-perf-metrics-02.txt > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line > Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Performance Metrics for > Other Layers Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : SIP End-to-End Performance Metrics > Author(s) : D. Malas > Filename : draft-ietf-pmol-sip-perf-metrics-02.txt > Pages : 29 > Date : 2008-11-1 > > This document defines a set of metrics and their usage to evaluate > the performance of end-to-end Session Initiation Protocol > (SIP) based > services in both production and testing environments. The > purpose of > this document is to combine a set of common metrics, allowing > interoperable performance measurements, easing the comparison of > industry implementations. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pmol-sip-perf-m > etrics-02.txt > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail > reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII > version of the Internet-Draft. > _______________________________________________ PMOL mailing list PMOL@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pmol Return-Path: X-Original-To: pmol-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-pmol-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2C413A6893; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 02:55:08 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: pmol@ietf.org Delivered-To: pmol@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 574ED3A6B5F; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 12:15:01 -0800 (PST) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20081102201501.574ED3A6B5F@core3.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 12:15:01 -0800 (PST) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 02:55:07 -0800 Cc: pmol@ietf.org Subject: [PMOL] I-D Action:draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-01.txt X-BeenThere: pmol@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance Metrics at Other Layers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pmol-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pmol-bounces@ietf.org --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Performance Metrics for Other Layers Working Group of the IETF. Title : Framework for Performance Metric Development Author(s) : A. Clark Filename : draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-01.txt Pages : 14 Date : 2008-11-02 This memo describes a framework and guidelines for the development of performance metrics that are beyond the scope of existing working group charters in the IETF. In this version, the memo refers to a Performance Metrics Entity, or PM Entity, which may in future be a working group or directorate or a combination of these two. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-01.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-01.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2008-11-02120858.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ PMOL mailing list PMOL@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pmol --NextPart-- Return-Path: X-Original-To: pmol-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-pmol-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB91C3A69DF; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 01:12:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: pmol@ietf.org Delivered-To: pmol@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 6FF973A67E4; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 14:00:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20081101210001.6FF973A67E4@core3.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 14:00:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:12:18 -0700 Cc: pmol@ietf.org Subject: [PMOL] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-pmol-sip-perf-metrics-02.txt X-BeenThere: pmol@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance Metrics at Other Layers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pmol-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pmol-bounces@ietf.org --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Performance Metrics for Other Layers Working Group of the IETF. Title : SIP End-to-End Performance Metrics Author(s) : D. Malas Filename : draft-ietf-pmol-sip-perf-metrics-02.txt Pages : 29 Date : 2008-11-1 This document defines a set of metrics and their usage to evaluate the performance of end-to-end Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) based services in both production and testing environments. The purpose of this document is to combine a set of common metrics, allowing interoperable performance measurements, easing the comparison of industry implementations. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pmol-sip-perf-metrics-02.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-pmol-sip-perf-metrics-02.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2008-11-1134659.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ PMOL mailing list PMOL@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pmol --NextPart--