From nobody Thu Dec 1 15:15:32 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10AB01299BD for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2016 15:15:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.298 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.298 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.896, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id StSmZ9fO3Sz5 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2016 15:15:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E740A12952B for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2016 15:15:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=k8VKVzwPYXKgppHbgesiWXq4QbM=; b=tu1xzEqnfcBvBrL0 C+NtqLUc9odDhQnM2JAh6be6oDhM90MQlct2xR4MvK6yCOVrReP18UqT/7e2/OSb DKFZwMIT33uq0LcSyMvO5WiUIjzumd5Igx2bZP+Ntnc6mvbr2WLg6QuJQr9jQhZT wiCeOCIziTzL0GNk/6q8h8hNrPI= Received: by filter0604p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0604p1mdw1-14068-5840AF0E-29 2016-12-01 23:15:26.827439023 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id h5otbD_cSxGnj8YHaQ1V3g for ; Thu, 01 Dec 2016 23:15:26.776 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2016 15:15:26 -0800 From: Martin Thomson To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] What can change in a different version (#55) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5840af0ea2309_7a293fdb22d2b134771ce"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0xOsZJ68gVINoAy/eAD30q4+nTrs46RdvR1m MxMnVaVgrrxJwGjBlfv2z6g3KoNvPacBob5snPpUs1zOwu9JxUykl0b2CMt3YNq9L1U6/ZiWX5X4T3 1HCF+JCxeTx+/JW8K91GruaYJHz3aS9+KB7DXxq4alfcHO6QgNG611I/HYPolxc8uTbJ9RCBYDMmna 0= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2016 23:15:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5840af0ea2309_7a293fdb22d2b134771ce Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We need to know what can change between versions. The critical thing for forward compatibility is the ability to signal that a new version is being used. In order to do so, the recipient (the server here) needs to be able to find the version field. Given the current packet layout, that means that we need to guarantee that the connection ID and version bits behave consistently across versions and that no extra fields are added in between the start of the packet and the version. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/55 ----==_mimepart_5840af0ea2309_7a293fdb22d2b134771ce Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

We need to know what can change between versions.

The critical thing for forward compatibility is the ability to signal that a new version is being used. In order to do so, the recipient (the server here) needs to be able to find the version field. Given the current packet layout, that means that we need to guarantee that the connection ID and version bits behave consistently across versions and that no extra fields are added in between the start of the packet and the version.

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----==_mimepart_5840af0ea2309_7a293fdb22d2b134771ce-- From nobody Thu Dec 1 15:16:08 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE47129408 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2016 15:16:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.383 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.383 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qZBQ7YKqCFxg for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2016 15:16:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 97A6F127077 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2016 15:16:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2016 15:16:02 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1480634162; bh=D67jxPtcDZBOD1jRpuzD29JyNGFz4tt32xMMEkM/cEk=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=UUHpZiKLRQ688DsnT6E6V8gJsf+IYWK2uQvdiO9PtSKethdZwIpNxFAg22TQ17eqo M7agmACLNvHLklhc9n2JyrKi/IXNQMJ+aGOUFxNuof/oH7WgPWV2s+t8qgdZFgMhU2 /fWHS/sbHb2iEKypqX7+c2k0Btw7Xh2eZDCCVJw0= From: Martin Thomson To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Extending flags (#56) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5840af326f172_197a33fa6e2d27134922c0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2016 23:16:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5840af326f172_197a33fa6e2d27134922c0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We need to define how the public flags might be extended, or if it could be. This has a pretty serious impact on #55. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/56 ----==_mimepart_5840af326f172_197a33fa6e2d27134922c0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

We need to define how the public flags might be extended, or if it could be. This has a pretty serious impact on #55.

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Martin Duke observes that until STOP_WAITING is acknowledged, you can't assume that it has had an effect. This means that anything that depends on the number of "in flight" packets can't assume that packets before the Last Unacked packet aren't still considered as in transit by the receiver of the STOP_WAITING. This is particularly relevant for determining how many bits to allocate to packet numbers.

We might just provide advice here, but I've marked this as design so that we can discuss it.

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Do we want them? How do we accommodate them? What are their semantics if they aren't understood?

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This isn't defined as being required or optional. Also, it appears to both be mandatory and have a default value.

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----==_mimepart_5840b54ca568f_e703fd97714f13c401df-- From nobody Thu Dec 1 15:46:01 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0991B12948D for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2016 15:45:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.37 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.37 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.896, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0A15LXdG9GBr for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2016 15:45:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E84B112945D for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2016 15:45:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=nJfboMU4YotxuUAjXoi2UDpmn4Q=; b=KtFw/m9efIq8JD+d E2KFoAjlljO40MJ4v9lZMjFjIp0G9vBA9+GXhBrV/JxQZtWw5nw70wA0mx3iBs5J 5Bi+OgbCAzHz++K6mma2amBGFOTLm94259l/vOmn0VuRbn64cc+1k/OQdPy5DPYb Kt2/Gqu1F9WJyFJMbp2CiC9BuUU= Received: by filter0501p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0501p1mdw1-3452-5840B632-36 2016-12-01 23:45:54.638340416 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0006p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id IN30Zzt6QCiVv1cCe5fq8A for ; Thu, 01 Dec 2016 23:45:54.602 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2016 15:45:54 -0800 From: Martin Thomson To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Silent close (#61) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5840b632737d7_25393f93236e71341162d3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2VRgXIbOg1XnvhgNc9GZ0DUzY2gTbth71vzk m9GVXTjc9zED+HAgTkHzVw//FnHK7ykRcsogSCiFq1xvF2mSeLhaVk/i/13huhVlidBGlV87TsSeir wfUSnS8Dx6motIENUW9liKEt9J4B7QkawW2P+WiDSdYdYYJLlngnWRbJ36Ye73yN662WqILgYfGWRp A= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2016 23:45:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5840b632737d7_25393f93236e71341162d3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think that this is one or other peer walking away from a conversation without saying goodbye. If we're going to talk about silent closes, we need to explain what it is, why a peer might choose to do it, and the consequences for everyone involved if they exist. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/61 ----==_mimepart_5840b632737d7_25393f93236e71341162d3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think that this is one or other peer walking away from a conversation without saying goodbye. If we're going to talk about silent closes, we need to explain what it is, why a peer might choose to do it, and the consequences for everyone involved if they exist.

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Martin Duke requests that all fields necessary for frame length computation be moved to the start of the frame.

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We have rules about retransmission of STREAM frames. ACK has similar properties in terms of what needs to be retransmitted. Once an ACK has been acked, what should a sender do when constructing future ACK messages?

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----==_mimepart_5840b73cb63a9_69b53ff729cbb14055975-- From nobody Thu Dec 1 15:52:53 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 789681295C8 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2016 15:52:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.616 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.616 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.896, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9sg8IT63LDLG for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2016 15:52:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7762D12948D for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2016 15:52:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=YqWDZRB21ptVDmu1d7D1EOMRRV4=; b=PULcVOStV3isYjic haCVB1saKg/6HrsokE5D8EhW615HrNB/pOFJHBnKs/K9PmheSTTtGAK4Dz7P1nvf vNeJG1HLWXhzHJhg20IMESCSXs//8VmM0slyeIDXeSB8Umm7y39TptQrM0/2mq42 hF0a6v0LLbTdVnxR3x3fefcnqbA= Received: by filter0916p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0916p1mdw1-3040-5840B7CF-2B 2016-12-01 23:52:47.491872076 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id SWPp75WsRlSH6nWUgZb-kQ for ; Thu, 01 Dec 2016 23:52:47.416 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2016 15:52:47 -0800 From: Martin Thomson To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] PMTUD (#64) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5840b7cf4e286_71003fb484c531403601e7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2hnExnz4vNjgz+odbR7R3ta8sG0pC3A9RPfX K2liLhWcWd+jpno6uKx8XW4HvltrrIYUQPEwWCulmSZH1KYaXZ+yb2w3tlwtBSvVpYUZZstAFoBr2+ YPU5M7KSrvBKCv0imFQBYV50AkHwn+UHZ9uOmF/GqWMCGzTdx0aj4ssLw9hpd3e/L/YI483GrN9fWR Q= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2016 23:52:51 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5840b7cf4e286_71003fb484c531403601e7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Quoting Martin Duke: > RFC-Compliant ICMP PMTU messages include the > oversize packet's IP header and the first 8 bytes of the transport. This > allows TCP to demultiplex the ICMP to the relevant connection/path, and > check that the echoed sequence number corresponds to an in-flight segment, > and that the segment that would have violated the advertised MTU. As TCP > windows increase, it's true that this may be less effective. > > For QUIC, these messages will contain only the UDP header. I believe this is > sufficient to demux to the right connection (QUIC allows the same 4-tuple > for multiple connection IDs, but it would be fine to apply it to all such > connections), but I see no clear mechanism to prevent a blind attacker that > guesses the 4-tuple from forcing a QUIC connection to revert to the min path > MTU. Some possibilities: > (a) Require routers to send more bytes. This is probably not deployable, > and in any case because packet numbers always start at zero this doesn't add > much security. > (b) Store UDP or IP data. 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Quoting Martin Duke:

RFC-Compliant ICMP PMTU messages include the
oversize packet's IP header and the first 8 bytes of the transport. This
allows TCP to demultiplex the ICMP to the relevant connection/path, and
check that the echoed sequence number corresponds to an in-flight segment,
and that the segment that would have violated the advertised MTU. As TCP
windows increase, it's true that this may be less effective.

For QUIC, these messages will contain only the UDP header. I believe this is
sufficient to demux to the right connection (QUIC allows the same 4-tuple
for multiple connection IDs, but it would be fine to apply it to all such
connections), but I see no clear mechanism to prevent a blind attacker that
guesses the 4-tuple from forcing a QUIC connection to revert to the min path
MTU. Some possibilities:
(a) Require routers to send more bytes. This is probably not deployable,
and in any case because packet numbers always start at zero this doesn't add
much security.
(b) Store UDP or IP data. We could require QUIC to store the UDP
checksum or IP ID in its send queue, thus allowing it to associate the
returned headers with a packet in its queue. This is ugly from a layering
perspective and may not be plausible with hardware offload of checksums,
various middleboxes, etc.
(c) Isolated DF packets. QUIC could pick a long time interval (10
seconds?) in which is sets DF on a single MTU-sized packet (which may have
to be padded). QUIC would only accept ICMP messages within an RTT or so of
having sent one of these MTU probe packets, or until it's acked. Thus the
probabability an off-path attacker could time it correctly is (RTT / 10
sec). If there's an extended burst of ICMP to overcome this, that's probably
an attack indication to handle either in IP, the firewall, or at worst in
QUIC. I have some language to codify this, and if we agree this is the
right approach I can share it.

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The sender always knows how many packets it has in flight, so I don't be= lieve this is a problem. In the worst case, ack frames from the receiver i= nform the sender of the largest packet the peer has received, and new packe= t numbers are always decoded relative to the largest ever received, so the = gap between the largest acked and the current packet number is the critical= value.

That being said, there was a previous conversation between Marten Seeman= n and myself on proto-quic on removing STOP_WAITING entirely, and I suspect= that's the right way to go.

All this being said, the section on determining the correct packet numbe= r length to use could use substantial improvement, including rationale for = the logic.

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Ian, I am going to open an issues on both of those. And you will be assigned them. If this becomes redundant, then we can close it.

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The algorithm for picking the length of the packet number needs much better explanation, and probably a bunch of rationale to support that.

(Marked as design so that any change gets proper discussion and review.)

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ACKs are cumulative, therefore you would never retransmit them. This is similar to TCP.

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More importantly, the transport draft has no ability for the peer to communicate ECN marks back to the sender. I suspect, like ECN, the use of this in the transport would be negotiable in the QUIC handshake. In practice, there most userspace network stacks also cannot see if those marks are set when packets are read. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/68 ----==_mimepart_5842e708668a2_c983fb725e7713048287b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

ECN is not currently mentioned in the recovery draft, but it should be included.

More importantly, the transport draft has no ability for the peer to communicate ECN marks back to the sender. I suspect, like ECN, the use of this in the transport would be negotiable in the QUIC handshake.

In practice, there most userspace network stacks also cannot see if those marks are set when packets are read.

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Use 0x80 bitmap flag to say, there is a another byte flag ? (like radiotap) or already change to use 2 or 4 bytes ?

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----==_mimepart_584329e1dcc3_589f3feeb760d138338cb-- From nobody Sat Dec 3 12:29:35 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F15C1299D2 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2016 12:29:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.597 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.597 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yTioRliCW12J for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2016 12:29:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E9EB128874 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2016 12:29:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2016 12:29:31 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1480796971; bh=u6A7r9mpUU1BOoG+Njo/w6Wi+h6c85jtbc4YU36ZI0E=; h=From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=uHOjtVzx5/2gOSuzJA7GaldeYkkk5vFHMuQ5tFMzKunoOsZjBEi8LW0vTUyZvZWG9 hNxOyFxdNkgKL24uahvQEE1dr+tlSyR0UUhNIPke67YKJmU0WnZfxv0yCxeRdQwRas j2MUQAYK1pC2jnLZA4zg1BTQHY458OFp3FfOxjR4= From: ianswett To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] What can change in a different version (#55) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58432b2b4b2c3_6bcc3f7ff7b0113c295595"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2016 20:29:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58432b2b4b2c3_6bcc3f7ff7b0113c295595 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think only the version bit, where the version is located and it's size need to not change. And in theory, they only need to not change in some small set of packets(ie: the first handshake packets). We should be very hesitant to move the connection id, and maybe in practice we'll never be willing to because it'll break too many things, but we could in theory. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/55#issuecomment-264663487 ----==_mimepart_58432b2b4b2c3_6bcc3f7ff7b0113c295595 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think only the version bit, where the version is located and it's si= ze need to not change. And in theory, they only need to not change in so= me small set of packets(ie: the first handshake packets).

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I agree with Alexis the obvious approach is to use 0x80 to indicate anot= her byte of flags. If we think extended flags will be common, I think we s= hould change to 2 bytes as a minimum, because variable length fields before= the connection id are more annoying to process in some systems(ie: BPFs), = particularly if the number of times one can add more flags is unbounded.(ie= : IPv6 extension headers).

I would lean towards suggesting that extended flags should come after th= e connection id.

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Issue #64 brought up PTUMD, which brought up the issue of minimum packet size.

Stateless rejects require the CHLO to fit into one packet, so the minimum should be specified with that in mind.

#64 also brought up the issue of downgrade attacks, and given the vast majority of paths permit 1200 bytes, we should be able to agree on a reasonable(ie: >1k) minimum size.

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@ianswett if i remember CHLO is always padded to maximum size (1370 bytes for IPv4 and 1350 bytes for IPv6) ? For avoid amplification ?

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The specific items that are needed are (perhaps more ?)

  • ECN echo in protocol, preferrably as a mandatory to implement part, R= FC7560 can provide with valuable input in the design
  • ECN negotiation, the work on updated ECN semanticts in TSVWG should b= e addressed (L4S support)
  • Fallback for in various failure cases, and RFC6679 and draft-kuehlewi= nd-tcpm-ecn-fallback-01 may provide input
  • Address user space limitation, collect best current practice to read/= write ECN bits for different OS.
  • Align meaning of ECN-CE marking of ECT(0) and ECT(1) traffic with TSV= WG

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All handshake packets are always padded to the maximum packet size to = ensure the path supports the chosen MTU. So if the path doens't, the han= dshake fails. This has proven to be a very practical approach, only remo= ving <1% of users who don't support 1350/1370 MTU sizes.

Conveniently, the CHLO needs to be padded for anti-amplifications reas= ons as well.

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Mirja K=C3=BChlewind points out that multiple ACK frames per packet don'= t really make sense, and they aren't retransmittable. Instead, Mirja sugge= sts replacing the ACK frame with an optional region in the packet header an= d a bit indicating its presence. STOP_WAITING, already a candidate for rem= oval (#66), could be co= nsolidated here as well.

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And I think that's the distinction. If we had an encrypted header regio= n, it could logically hold a lot of the connection-level information. Of c= ourse, if we allow that set of stuff to be extensible, it could wind up loo= king a lot like frames. ;-) Updating the title to better reflect the sugg= estion.

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This needs to be described in detail, but if the entire client hello i= s received, then TLS or the QUIC stack should be able to determine if the= handshake can be completed or not. If it can't, either because the TLS = handshake doesn't complete or the source address token(in the QUIC extens= ion), then an appropriate reject can be sent so it can complete next time= .

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This pull request changes the current document substantially, with the following major points of change:

  • The HTTP/2 outer frame containing the stream number is replaced with a (otherwise similar) frame format that doesn't contain a stream number. All stream management is delegated to QUIC.
  • HTTP exchanges take up two streams per request/response -- one for data, one for everything else (but mostly headers). This permits retaining the current behavior (also from HTTP/2) of not flow-controlling non-DATA traffic, and avoids double-framing bodies.
  • HPACK frames acquire sequence numbers to enable ordering at the decoder. This is decidedly suboptimal, but no worse than current and allows us to keep moving and leave the potential redesign of HPACK for the future.

It may be more useful to look at the final content rather than the diff -- in places, GitHub isn't finding enough of the retained text to make the diff sensible.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/71

Commit Summary

  • HTTP over QUIC, not HTTP/2 over QUIC
  • Moving to a two-stream mapping with HPACK sequence numbers.
  • Fixing references.

File Changes

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In HTTP/2, the HEADERS frame "opened" a stream. In this mapping, any frame can appear first on a stream, since the stream "opens" at the QUIC layer. Do we still need the PRIORITY region in HEADERS, or should implementations just send a PRIORITY frame if they want to declare prioritization?

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The current PRIORITY frame has 31 bits to reference the dependent stream. We'd need to either do some weird dancing (omit one of the bits that can be inferred?), change the layout of PRIORITY to match QUIC's stream space size, or restrict the mapping to use a subset of QUIC streams.

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That's not necessarily practical. Could we carve out a segment of the error space and define them to be application-defined, so each application mapping can add whatever error codes are relevant to it? E.g. QUIC currently defines QUIC_DECOMPRESSION_FAILURE, but QUIC defines no compression. That's really there for HPACK, I presume. We could do likewise for handshake errors, since that's also pluggable -- QUIC will have its own AEAD error codes, but things that could go wrong in the handshake will vary by which handshake protocol we're using. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/74 ----==_mimepart_5845dfed22213_2ad93fc169d2f13052621b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

If applications want to terminate a stream or connection for a reason that isn't specific to the QUIC transport layer, they currently need to define their own error communication mechanism and wait for the frame to be acknowledged before they tell QUIC to terminate the stream/connection. That's not necessarily practical.

Could we carve out a segment of the error space and define them to be application-defined, so each application mapping can add whatever error codes are relevant to it? E.g. QUIC currently defines QUIC_DECOMPRESSION_FAILURE, but QUIC defines no compression. That's really there for HPACK, I presume.

We could do likewise for handshake errors, since that's also pluggable -- QUIC will have its own AEAD error codes, but things that could go wrong in the handshake will vary by which handshake protocol we're using.

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----==_mimepart_5845dfed22213_2ad93fc169d2f13052621b-- From nobody Mon Dec 5 13:50:32 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EB98129DDB for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2016 13:50:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.579 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.579 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.896, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nXkRyDGBwu1x for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2016 13:50:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EF0EF1295AA for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2016 13:50:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=5xrG3Oolrj0wAzCbcWH4+ts9z1c=; b=nbWnsSve+n7Daod7 aHTRLy585zt9P1NIpejCgPgHprVI5d9AcgzUN4jvrL8oAEAhNE9OaGs3EQPz1AiG ldof/kiwOQMcJAKMa/5c3N6DD3PRJAu9lWtTJSJXKqMcaRkFkAPT4u6RY1bDi6RN 8An72gn9oORVORC8J2dWaXNGHRc= Received: by filter0910p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0910p1mdw1-16859-5845E113-61 2016-12-05 21:50:11.94821823 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id LQyxlAO_RY6KBpNo2PBiaA for ; Mon, 05 Dec 2016 21:50:11.975 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2016 13:50:11 -0800 From: Mike Bishop To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] SETTINGS synchronization (#75) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5845e113d32ea_2a773fc169d2f130689473"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3bG3rPpNbk5/sDf03RA+vgmwGuJRkPRQIt/O Y6d12gaQtjjjIqCwznMS6I1UBg3rViWJ/zy0Vp6+X6OJ4uFLV5z4nDwLiWLWpDPVsEAO28DU/FOQED Waw3QnYLPypPAzRr2frn7b8EIiRsE5I3RW1udDptoI9kmkgsfRYKJ2rFUXg6Unch+XBbcAts2eMLao w= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2016 21:50:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5845e113d32ea_2a773fc169d2f130689473 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In HTTP/2, SETTINGS provokes an empty SETTINGS frame with the ACK flag sent. In the EXTENDED_SETTINGS proposal, there's a separately-defined SETTINGS_ACK frame. Either way, there's a way to know when changes have been applied. If we need this in QUIC, with no defined ordering between bytes on different streams, we would need to ACK on every still-open stream. (Ick.) But of course, we also can't know which streams were already closed or not yet open at the time the SETTINGS frame was received, so we can't *enforce* that on the receiver. Do we need a SETTINGS epoch in every HTTP frame? (Ick.) Or simplify and say that SETTINGS just aren't ACKed over QUIC? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/75 ----==_mimepart_5845e113d32ea_2a773fc169d2f130689473 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

In HTTP/2, SETTINGS provokes an empty SETTINGS frame with the ACK flag sent. In the EXTENDED_SETTINGS proposal, there's a separately-defined SETTINGS_ACK frame. Either way, there's a way to know when changes have been applied.

If we need this in QUIC, with no defined ordering between bytes on different streams, we would need to ACK on every still-open stream. (Ick.) But of course, we also can't know which streams were already closed or not yet open at the time the SETTINGS frame was received, so we can't enforce that on the receiver.

Do we need a SETTINGS epoch in every HTTP frame? (Ick.) Or simplify and say that SETTINGS just aren't ACKed over QUIC?

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At a minimum, the VERSION bit must not change. I argue that there also= has to be a MORE_FLAGS bit, and that this must also not change if the re= ceiver can parse where the flags end.

If it is at all possible that a later version might change the length = of the connection ID field (as earlier QUIC versions did), we must move t= he version field in front of conn ID to correctly parse the header.

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sack blocks aren't really cumulative under some interpretations; hence m= y confusion. For instance I might ack packet 1 and SACK 3,4,5. Do I continu= e to send this information in subsequent ACK frames, leading to potentially= very long ones? Or do I just send it once and leave it out of ACK frames t= hat report, say SACK 7,8,9?

If I leave them out, then by extension I should keep track of what acks/= sacks went out in each packet, so that if the packet containing the ack is = itself acknowledged I never have to report them again.

I am unclear as to how the logic of a protocol without STOP_WAITING woul= d work, so it's clear that either I missed something in the draft or it's j= ust not written.

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"(b) is semi-practical, but the checksum is still computable by a passiv= e observer."

Indeed, all ICMP is vulnerable to a passive observer, but if the header = echo isn't there it's vulnerable to off-path attacks that guess th= e 4-tuple.

It seems odd to spend an enormous amount of energy to save a handful of = bytes in headers and frames, and then turn around and use a conservatively = low MTU, when a very common IPv4 UDP MSS is 1472 Bytes.

Regarding option (c), it makes a lot of sense for CHLO to be a max-size = packet for these purposes, but it's not sufficient. Furthermore, using loss= as the signal instead of ICMP seems like an inefficient solution.

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In practice today, we're losing less than 10% of the potential packet size, but I agree it isn't ideal.

Can you clarify why padding the CHLO is not sufficient?

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The guideline is to continue to ack packets until a stop waiting frame s= ays to not ack them anymore. However, a receiver can also stop acking pack= ets due to memory constraints, running out of ranges, or potentially other = reasons. Section 6.2 of the transport doc does go into this, but it could = be a bit clearer, and a clarifying example may be helpful.
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  1. The server must probe the server->client path.

  2. If the path changes (particularly with multipath), there must be some means of probing the MTU or you will have lots of packet fragmentation.

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Ah. OK. My first hack at implementing this did what you describe, then I= realized that the alternate approach would save lot of bytes, though with = more bookkeeping. I see now that the words are there in Section 6.2 but it = would be nice to have a more explicit requirement, e.g. "A receiver SHOULD = repeat SACK blocks until those packets are covered by a STOP_WAITING".

To be honest, I think tracking which of my acks have been acked would re= duce the control overhead of the protocol without requiring any wire format= changes. But this might all be moot if STOP_WAITING dies.

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= ----==_mimepart_5846084512fd2_70d53fa5a4ff91301483ec-- From nobody Mon Dec 5 16:48:07 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6F7D128B38 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2016 16:48:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.793 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.793 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.896, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yHdGHgNbSMir for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2016 16:48:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BDFC812963A for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2016 16:48:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=pFzaus2Vul+Nk38f3KYrEdBczVo=; b=DZxayUVG1BbEAcMB ieQ/Ucow9f7DDr2+MWfr4g2jNvL7dsR3+TQ5scJDhpOD5RSiuZdW5DnPsJo0RAqH CYmdU8fLHxU5mFy6jtiI0BaFfOg6zGqj6PraoUnIflq5WiLst0LIa/7iUKEkKKzh mkvT9Z+d+l/tENVlkbhlnVMehwU= Received: by filter0529p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0529p1mdw1-8870-58460AC2-3F 2016-12-06 00:48:02.679914472 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id X2IcKIk5Tnmr11nuqX7YLw for ; Tue, 06 Dec 2016 00:48:02.634 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2016 16:48:02 -0800 From: martinduke To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Frame type extensions (#58) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58460ac286273_bf43f83abfb713835287"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak37EiZLru3r4uWf5mAXQsNKwqMYHpHij1ahpd CcwdeoqY17KOq9/NVzwrs3c6gP2ZyX3FtGSQzKAxsZ4pfq1lVvshzvL419NLzvaALHsEQ/PynLZbEl MMRRnJ5diKp54CI0RVX3VPwZYTuZNo+bsx7m5IM6MeNck7bg6nlPM6M/rOYvlGBAXrMwu+O8G49gru g= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2016 00:48:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58460ac286273_bf43f83abfb713835287 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I suggest we have a single frame type for "experimental", much like a TCP option. Similarly, there would be mandatory type field afterwards and a mandatory length field. Any QUIC endpoint MUST be able to parse the length field, at a minimum. While many use cases for an experimental frame may be handled by the COPT tag, additional frames in the handshake would not be. Nor would frames sent before receipt of SHLO. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/58#issuecomment-265026720 ----==_mimepart_58460ac286273_bf43f83abfb713835287 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I suggest we have a single frame type for "experimental", much like a TC= P option. Similarly, there would be mandatory type field afterwards and a m= andatory length field. Any QUIC endpoint MUST be able to parse the length f= ield, at a minimum.

While many use cases for an experimental frame may be handled by the COP= T tag, additional frames in the handshake would not be. Nor would frames se= nt before receipt of SHLO.

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= ----==_mimepart_58460ac286273_bf43f83abfb713835287-- From nobody Mon Dec 5 17:02:25 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CEE012965A for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2016 17:02:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.915 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.915 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.896, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DR-_m0pLUXy2 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2016 17:02:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 54BB31295C1 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2016 17:02:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=rKuJrm9R67QMcF/ooLBiJx7NqMA=; b=GwQq0h6gAecvrYC4 Yve3fqpNFMOZl2if0MXX41syo+A0OsJk2Gs4withmmid7RaoX84t5k8r5t99NB/A RtDVtkMA+ZDLMITnWUwxl6Q4XPVwOWp/3/KsRyrMm4lXP3980fw7GypVYba4zrLl IIzvIYCvevGVeVn4VDHWPAYhS+M= Received: by filter0994p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0994p1mdw1-19976-58460E15-8 2016-12-06 01:02:13.184302557 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0006p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 5gcPcZ39TRKxtXcWOAWw1Q for ; Tue, 06 Dec 2016 01:02:13.095 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2016 17:02:13 -0800 From: martinduke To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Extending flags (#56) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58460e14f4182_7b123ff078b1f140209468"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3lGWhV++qgvscJTFKwYyyshpVu0ZBtSO8Ocf eTSJ5cw/0AZ5YueJqQeGPDE1XHffmS+3fuE+8aei3j3uQCP0eIRxQOqff4KHDv/tF313Bo8cxbT+3e ixOBAzd47OR3HnXd0tyTZ974o7gDCr7z23T/666+/mPdNTqgwIT+ePsNB9CRQBSUKCCbbH61m54WEj g= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2016 01:02:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58460e14f4182_7b123ff078b1f140209468 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think a 2-byte field will be annoying in the near to medium-term, where the second byte is unused. Having the second byte after connection ID (and version?) would be annoying in the more distant future when 8+ flags are routine. But in either case, this is a matter of taste and I see no showstoppers with having the extra flags come later. Especially since we might end up having lots of these flags. On the other hand, I can imagine future protocol tweakers "abusing" unlimited public flags to put whole bitfields in there. I'm not sure if this is a "problem" we need to solve or not. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/56#issuecomment-265029112 ----==_mimepart_58460e14f4182_7b123ff078b1f140209468 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think a 2-byte field will be annoying in the near to medium-term, wher= e the second byte is unused. Having the second byte after connection ID (an= d version?) would be annoying in the more distant future when 8+ flags are = routine.

But in either case, this is a matter of taste and I see no showstoppers = with having the extra flags come later. Especially since we might end up ha= ving lots of these flags.

On the other hand, I can imagine future protocol tweakers "abusing" unli= mited public flags to put whole bitfields in there. I'm not sure if this is= a "problem" we need to solve or not.

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In any case it might be worthwhile to spell out what's acceptable in the= bounds of a version. If a given version has 6 defined flags, can there be = any number of public flag bytes? If so, do I simply ignore whatever's there= ?

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Another approach would be:

  1. Negotiate what experimental frame types are to be used in the handsha= ke by the client listing the ones it'd like to use.
  2. If the server doesn't repeat back some or all of the suggested frame = types, then the client knows the server doesn't support them.
  3. Assign them frame numbers on a per-connection basis in the order the = server repeats them back.
  4. Experimental frames must always be sent post-SHLO with 1RTT keys.
  5. If non-negotiated experimental frames are used, close the connection = with an error.

In some cases, such as FEC, the sender really needs to know the receiv= er supports it. and if they don't, why send it?

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----==_mimepart_5846c90725f79_20ba3ff779d091388797b-- From nobody Tue Dec 6 08:12:13 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D298C129508 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2016 08:12:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.896, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XDfQ3Mv7HmCM for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2016 08:12:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from o5.sgmail.github.com (o5.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4EB6E129502 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2016 08:12:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=g3qaYzSiAU6pBcgDW0Y13aj2KeY=; b=ZgB1RLEz4d8VaKJ2 kRakGgMWqnSJpCkpamoRlwYQQi1qWmyIphfkOph+gqS6DoD7fo+6DvHvc3cMIAO6 V9QAqdiYz5v+mNTgQl9/e7OCS0G7kJf+4ldxlEoHQZ5ZFSuz+KyK6mrXoq5e5jaJ CaE5PPyBCcT+IgBWI8FtkKufszQ= Received: by filter1101p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1101p1mdw1-8141-5846E357-24 2016-12-06 16:12:07.406491343 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id dtjjXd-RQFOs-KmQAWH-GA for ; Tue, 06 Dec 2016 16:12:07.394 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2016 08:12:07 -0800 From: martinduke To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ACK retransmission (#63) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5846e35749a97_11933fc667fbd138167644"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0AJ0qVGLWkN7mgAwJ/7BHhpUCGgl1Em+okIl XOkEv1AnJTwZYhRQLNgIv+6BMzLNVI/Xi1Nn0AUMbN8iUIBjley/YaLlJMabs1bgpkMq2T/HJJDILy LQ5h9PraG2aPQihAWoeiob9j+41TQ3bUHHglYqUStzBWiUasyVGZVi4I4/083oEcUyVOU3Fuxj5z1z w= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2016 16:12:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5846e35749a97_11933fc667fbd138167644 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I always thought the main purpose of STOP_WAITING was to stop acking lost packet numbers, which of course will never be retransmitted. Will the receiver somehow infer this instead? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/63#issuecomment-265192041 ----==_mimepart_5846e35749a97_11933fc667fbd138167644 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I always thought the main purpose of STOP_WAITING was to stop acking lost packet numbers, which of course will never be retransmitted. Will the receiver somehow infer this instead?

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I admit I'm theorizing about experimental extensions I can't even imag= ine, but the post-SHLO requirement seems like a pretty significant restri= ction.

Using TLVs instead is a pretty well-established concept for Transport = people to grasp, with no restrictions.

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And it is -- but the reason you can stop ACKing them is that the origina= l sender has enough information to know they're lost. They can tell you th= is explicitly (STOP_WAITING), or you can infer it by knowing which of your = ACKs made it through.

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OK, so because we know the loss detection algorithm we can infer what = the sender has given up on. That sounds like it might be problematic whe= n the loss detection is timer-based. Moreover, it turns loss detection in= to something that must be carefully negotiated between endpoints, rather = than simply innovating on one end.

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In the case of the server, everything is post-SHLO, and in the case of t= he client, it's just 0RTT data that couldn't use extensions, which I wouldn= 't expect to need any special features.

Agreed TLV is simple. My thinking is all the extensions I can think of = will want negotiation anyway, so both sides know they're available. In whi= ch case, you wouldn't really want to use the new frames until after the han= dshake, because you want to use the handshake to do feature negotiation of = the existence of said frames.

Another option would be to add any extensions into new versions, but tha= t doesn't seem to scale well outside experimentation.

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= ----==_mimepart_5846e76f24a6f_79ef3fb506d7b13040345c-- From nobody Tue Dec 6 12:31:50 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 750EF12947E for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2016 12:31:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P3V0wazCQ81h for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2016 12:31:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F2CB129C21 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2016 12:31:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2016 12:31:26 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1481056286; bh=wkN1M0BLYLDqQsH78DHXnqZoFIxSEeRsLbv/OZw7O2c=; h=From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ijDxoO/xn4RXGgP/4WdhhypBDoihhE2R59n3QU1Xttct5nzpAsvNisgWkE/kwtgrx Dm+j+b3sFQVjBGfw6J1fg6RvenhfMIB5EDw8cmYv1XrFF76gsnIptZvetjRho9/bHN WPGaUPql0K43PSjdzOjv+2oWGGaZv8HkWvY45bj0= From: Mike Bishop To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Frame type extensions (#58) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5847201e1cd2d_646a3fc557185130188fb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2016 20:31:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5847201e1cd2d_646a3fc557185130188fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scale was the argument for not using the ALPN token for h2 extensions. I like the posture that we settled on there: - Unknown frame types are ignored -- clients MAY send extensions that don't require peer understanding (hints, for example) without confirmation. Obviously, if you have a signal yes/no, you can save some wasted bytes. - Frames that are state-changing or otherwise alter the contract of the core spec require positive acknowledgement that the peer understands them before sending (alternatives to HEADERS, DATA, etc.) "Alters the contract of the core spec" may be worth a version bump, since you might have incompatible extensions. And in general, anything that is MUST-understand and in the client's 0-RTT needs to be a version number change. You can get away without it in most other cases. The other thing that sticks out here -- this has the potential to make versions non-incremental. What does that do to the version negotiation, where the client might not want to burn an RTT attempting the fanciest variant it knows, but would like to discover server support for other variants for future use? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/58#issuecomment-265263806 ----==_mimepart_5847201e1cd2d_646a3fc557185130188fb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Scale was the argument for not using the ALPN token for h2 extensions.= I like the posture that we settled on there:

  • Unknown frame types are ignored -- clients MAY send extensions that d= on't require peer understanding (hints, for example) without confirmation= . Obviously, if you have a signal yes/no, you can save some wasted bytes= .
  • Frames that are state-changing or otherwise alter the contract of the= core spec require positive acknowledgement that the peer understands the= m before sending (alternatives to HEADERS, DATA, etc.)

"Alters the contract of the core spec" may be worth a version bump, si= nce you might have incompatible extensions. And in general, anything tha= t is MUST-understand and in the client's 0-RTT needs to be a version numb= er change. You can get away without it in most other cases.

The other thing that sticks out here -- this has the potential to make= versions non-incremental. What does that do to the version negotiation,= where the client might not want to burn an RTT attempting the fanciest v= ariant it knows, but would like to discover server support for other vari= ants for future use?

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In the case of HTTP/2, we can use alt-svc to avoid burning an RTT learni= ng what versions are supported.

But I think we'd like the ability to negotiate fairly large changes with= out requiring a version bump. These could be nice to have features, not re= quired ones, and might include a new ack frame, FEC frame, etc. SACK and t= imestamps in TCP fit into this category for TCP today.

If we think there are lots of things in the first category, where ignori= ng frames is fine, then using a TLV approach seems fine, but every extensio= n I can imagine is in the second category, which is why I'm not that excite= d about TLV in practice.

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  • dddbdb8 PRIORITY has to be on control stream.
  • c2823e8 Exempt from connection-level flow control isn't exempt from *all* flow control.

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----==_mimepart_5847260438606_7ecc3fbf4ee87130340474-- From nobody Tue Dec 6 12:56:47 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93CAF129C57 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2016 12:56:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com; domainkeys=pass (1024-bit key) header.sender=michael.bishop=microsoft.com@github.com header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y6phr4Z3e1hH for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2016 12:56:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from m71-131.mailgun.net (m71-131.mailgun.net [166.78.71.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F7E2129C3F for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2016 12:56:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1481057796; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=NBmI/ccA21ifciCtDNQJqjny5kvLlieaYtPogTNYBGg=; b=AV0XbhXsheZRTRLCqPfbAU0FIM0xPEIlimzmmCePyM/mMAwsFJNFFTtIfoAlva70NM2gJ3u9 shyzTrS6yLG589GhsW+RFU659EoaaossfPBLd/EzB3wiXwakgz7LAaIyhMaolR3xMDQUjR/o stSpQSou41u7vmJXfPYbWUCdSCk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=github.com; s=mailo; q=dns; h=Sender: Date: From: Reply-To: To: Message-ID: Subject: Mime-Version: Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=BMokH4FDDP6BZtmqJdg6jEYiTaKCBaNhMVG7/W54Seu/asj4dGF71m5giI6ta1nr+cWfvY D3WFzuPAIZt0cm/VlzHs4yHWaR5qlVzfolTtgxfFIPW6cDOKXFuLUQsQbIbKePrZoh0E/244 QqUryVY0mzyCK91hqxjaFjJ7Ce2M4= Sender: michael.bishop=microsoft.com@github.com X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.71.131 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.42]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 58472603.7fcf3cd854b0-smtp-out-n03; Tue, 06 Dec 2016 20:56:35 -0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2016 12:56:35 -0800 From: Mike Bishop To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <584726038e27e_2aae43ff0279871304142c@hookshot-fe-6dbb0c4.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] dddbdb: PRIORITY has to be on control stream. 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Commit: c2823e8bb20aa0d3ee03ad4adf4c1ce053796b9c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c2823e8bb20aa0d3ee03ad4adf4c1ce053796b9c Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2016-12-06 (Tue, 06 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Exempt from connection-level flow control isn't exempt from *all* flow control. 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It's not shouting; when they are capitalized, they have the special meaning defined in {{!RFC2119}}. +This document uses the terminology established in {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. + +For brevity, the acronym TLS is used to refer to TLS 1.3. + +This document uses TLS terminology is used when referring to parts of TLS. I think two possible phrasings are combined here. "This document uses TLS terminology" / "TLS terminology is used" -- but not both. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/30#pullrequestreview-11927378 ----==_mimepart_5848a8561d664_3fdb3fd9ca16d13410538c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  
 The words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "SHOULD", and "MAY" are used in this document.
 It's not shouting; when they are capitalized, they have the special meaning
 defined in {{!RFC2119}}.
 
+This document uses the terminology established in {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
+
+For brevity, the acronym TLS is used to refer to TLS 1.3.
+
+This document uses TLS terminology is used when referring to parts of TLS.

I think two possible phrasings are combined here. "This document uses TLS terminology" / "TLS terminology is used" -- but not both.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -226,24 +259,29 @@ document:
 
 # TLS in Stream 1
 
-QUIC completes its cryptographic handshake on stream 1, which means that the
-negotiation of keying material happens after the QUIC protocol has started.
-This simplifies the use of TLS since QUIC is able to ensure that the TLS
-handshake packets are delivered reliably and in order.
+QUIC reserves stream 1 for a TLS connection.  Stream contains a complete TLS

"Stream 1" or "This stream", not "Stream"

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +Additional functions might be needed to configure TLS.
+
+
+### Handshake Interface
+
+In order to drive the handshake, TLS depends on being able to send and receive
+handshake messages on stream 1.  There are two basic functions on this
+interface: one where QUIC requests handshake messages and one where QUIC
+provides handshake packets.
+
+A QUIC client starts TLS by requesting TLS handshake octets from
+TLS.  The client acquires handshake octets before sending its first packet.
+
+A QUIC server starts the process by providing TLS with any stream 1 octets that
+might have arrived.  Only in-sequence packets are delivered; packets that arrive
+out of order are buffered by QUIC until all preceding packets are available.

Should this be "frames"? Packets might be lost and retransmitted, so you wouldn't necessarily have preceding packets becoming available. (Not including in the purely-editorial commit I'm preparing, because I'm not certain if that's the correct wording.)

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(#76) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5849a5c2b0246_1fd3fc79a7371389136eb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2016 18:26:14 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5849a5c2b0246_1fd3fc79a7371389136eb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In HTTP/2, the CONTINUATION frame was (much loathed)[https://github.com/http2/http2-spec/pull/548], but ultimately deemed a necessary evil since there are some truly, ridiculously large headers out there (*\*cough\** Kerberos *\*cough\**). The current HTTP/QUIC draft allows a frame to be 64KB long before decoding the HPACK. Is this large enough? That was the boundary we'd said it would take in HTTP/2 to require a single frame. If not, the current draft uses the END_HEADERS bit to indicate that another HEADERS frame will follow, which is effectively the same as CONTINUATION. The same is not currently defined for PUSH_PROMISE (which really ought to be much smaller). If so, could we drop the END_HEADERS thing entirely and say that HPACK-bearing frames are fully self-contained? It would simplify a lot of client mechanics. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/76 ----==_mimepart_5849a5c2b0246_1fd3fc79a7371389136eb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

In HTTP/2, the CONTINUATION frame was (much loathed)[https://github.com/http2/http2-spec/pull/548], but ultimately deemed a necessary evil since there are some truly, ridiculously large headers out there (*cough* Kerberos *cough*). The current HTTP/QUIC draft allows a frame to be 64KB long before decoding the HPACK. Is this large enough? That was the boundary we'd said it would take in HTTP/2 to require a single frame.

If not, the current draft uses the END_HEADERS bit to indicate that another HEADERS frame will follow, which is effectively the same as CONTINUATION. The same is not currently defined for PUSH_PROMISE (which really ought to be much smaller).

If so, could we drop the END_HEADERS thing entirely and say that HPACK-bearing frames are fully self-contained? It would simplify a lot of client mechanics.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +decrypt these packets, which will be unsuccessful.  Though a server that has
+1-RTT keys can safely discard any unprotected handshake messages from the
+client, an unprotected ACK frame could indicate that the server needs to
+retransmit its own handshake messages.  ACK frames therefore cannot be
+discarded.
+
+Until the server has received a positive acknowledgment for all of its
+unprotected handshake messages, either in the form of an explicit acknowledgment
+or implicitly through the use of 1-RTT keys, it MUST NOT discard packets with a
+KEY_PHASE of 0 if they cannot be decrypted successfully.  If these packets are
+unprotected and contain ACK frames, those ACK frames MUST be recovered and used
+to determine whether to retransmit TLS handshake messages.
+
+TBD:
+
+: We could observe/require that all unprotected packets are marked with a

I would suggest to have VERSION bit set not only for unprotected packets but for 0RTT encrypted packets as well. For 2 reasons:
1)VERSION number tells the server how to interpreter packet, so if ClientHello packet gets lost and server receives 0RTT encrypted packet it will not know how to read it because it does not know which protocol version it is. (if we do not change the packet format for different version it might be ok, but we do not want to ossify on this). In that case it would need to wait for ClientHello and it will not be able to send acks to trigger retransmits, the version change request from server will be delayed,etc.
2) we can remove asymmetry: unprotected packet have KEY_PHASE=0 and VERSION=1, 0RTT packets have KEY_PHASE=1 and VERSION=1 and 1RTT packet have KEY_PHASE=1 and VERSION=0 (which will be the same on the server side and the same as the case when 0RTT is not used)

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +Additional functions might be needed to configure TLS.
+
+
+### Handshake Interface
+
+In order to drive the handshake, TLS depends on being able to send and receive
+handshake messages on stream 1.  There are two basic functions on this
+interface: one where QUIC requests handshake messages and one where QUIC
+provides handshake packets.
+
+A QUIC client starts TLS by requesting TLS handshake octets from
+TLS.  The client acquires handshake octets before sending its first packet.
+
+A QUIC server starts the process by providing TLS with any stream 1 octets that
+might have arrived.  Only in-sequence packets are delivered; packets that arrive
+out of order are buffered by QUIC until all preceding packets are available.

I think that it's even more granular: the data that is in the frames.

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----==_mimepart_584a1c06401dd_7a693fddf988513c253a5-- From nobody Thu Dec 8 19:08:40 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB285129CDD for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2016 19:08:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.896, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nvSO2b8U57hq for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2016 19:08:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C8B7A129631 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2016 19:08:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=G+oBSH4ZZOPl7+go150/k9ogdqs=; b=LSf3hHNGNZO4LUHX yC926xrFU6wCa2OQmA6iODysSDoyw5G8Yk3Fhf6S/mMrzHT/fHprCf5djuHWvZ8i gQqEqpGE5yC4SJb0c+XbeGxH8ugpBDhcdOHG0/s6TJvD77f4fSJHcJ1B8En1P+Jc pgB3E02Ejxbu/6A61RrMcDRdz5E= Received: by filter0607p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0607p1mdw1-32577-584A2032-1B 2016-12-09 03:08:34.299095869 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0006p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id hOtYljQFRteLRSAZ4eyTXg for ; Fri, 09 Dec 2016 03:08:34.312 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2016 19:08:34 -0800 From: Martin Thomson To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Improve KEY_PHASE description (#43) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_584a203232033_57bd3fbfcf20714028172"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3bjyzVDaXyoEWMGzKJXFEXGwfsitUL2oRIve QGj63eeutQX91TjXMOhnvtOT+whqR6kW/BvUorSq9lmOV1QgofbblkU0k1dGPo/LdTcpc3+/YqhSjK TnfXtmqJdw50dpoHseE0h7gDoxzHRvsMf3XpGKkHgKMmhUpY76mkWB6f6L6zSHOHT6XMosu/8B5IuH g= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2016 03:08:40 -0000 ----==_mimepart_584a203232033_57bd3fbfcf20714028172 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > +decrypt these packets, which will be unsuccessful. Though a server that has +1-RTT keys can safely discard any unprotected handshake messages from the +client, an unprotected ACK frame could indicate that the server needs to +retransmit its own handshake messages. ACK frames therefore cannot be +discarded. + +Until the server has received a positive acknowledgment for all of its +unprotected handshake messages, either in the form of an explicit acknowledgment +or implicitly through the use of 1-RTT keys, it MUST NOT discard packets with a +KEY_PHASE of 0 if they cannot be decrypted successfully. If these packets are +unprotected and contain ACK frames, those ACK frames MUST be recovered and used +to determine whether to retransmit TLS handshake messages. + +TBD: + +: We could observe/require that all unprotected packets are marked with a I like this logic. I will make that change. I suspect that servers will likely have very different tolerances for 0-RTT packets, particularly in the absence of the ClientHello. The ClientHello will probably be the only place that we can put a source address validation token. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/43 ----==_mimepart_584a203232033_57bd3fbfcf20714028172 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +decrypt these packets, which will be unsuccessful.  Though a server that has
+1-RTT keys can safely discard any unprotected handshake messages from the
+client, an unprotected ACK frame could indicate that the server needs to
+retransmit its own handshake messages.  ACK frames therefore cannot be
+discarded.
+
+Until the server has received a positive acknowledgment for all of its
+unprotected handshake messages, either in the form of an explicit acknowledgment
+or implicitly through the use of 1-RTT keys, it MUST NOT discard packets with a
+KEY_PHASE of 0 if they cannot be decrypted successfully.  If these packets are
+unprotected and contain ACK frames, those ACK frames MUST be recovered and used
+to determine whether to retransmit TLS handshake messages.
+
+TBD:
+
+: We could observe/require that all unprotected packets are marked with a

I like this logic. I will make that change.

I suspect that servers will likely have very different tolerances for 0-RTT packets, particularly in the absence of the ClientHello. The ClientHello will probably be the only place that we can put a source address validation token.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +decrypt these packets, which will be unsuccessful.  Though a server that has
+1-RTT keys can safely discard any unprotected handshake messages from the
+client, an unprotected ACK frame could indicate that the server needs to
+retransmit its own handshake messages.  ACK frames therefore cannot be
+discarded.
+
+Until the server has received a positive acknowledgment for all of its
+unprotected handshake messages, either in the form of an explicit acknowledgment
+or implicitly through the use of 1-RTT keys, it MUST NOT discard packets with a
+KEY_PHASE of 0 if they cannot be decrypted successfully.  If these packets are
+unprotected and contain ACK frames, those ACK frames MUST be recovered and used
+to determine whether to retransmit TLS handshake messages.
+
+TBD:
+
+: We could observe/require that all unprotected packets are marked with a

Agreed, let's go with this.

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For our case, our mega-single-header scenario is carrying Kerberos token= s, which we've seen as large as 48KB, which then get Base64-encoded to 64KB= . (Huffman hopefully helps recover some of this, though.) Looking a littl= e, I see our maxi= mum configurable limits are 64KB per header field and 16MB for the total of all headers.

That may be our answer, unfortunately -- if we want to continue being ab= le to support 16MB of headers (ick), we'll need larger than a 64KB HEADERS = frame in extremis. However, Kerberos isn't yet supported over a m= ultiplexed HTTP mapping, so this may be hypothetical for the time being.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -82,6 +82,13 @@ informative:
 This document describes how Transport Layer Security (TLS) can be used to secure
 QUIC.
 
+--- note_Note_to_Readers
+
+Discussion of this draft takes place on the QUIC working group mailing list (quic@ietf.org),
+which is archived at <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/>.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -63,6 +63,14 @@ HTTP semantics over QUIC.  Specifically, this document identifies HTTP/2
 features that are subsumed by QUIC, and describes how the other features can be
 implemented atop QUIC.
 
+--- note_Note_to_Readers
+
+Discussion of this draft takes place on the QUIC working group mailing list (quic@ietf.org),
+which is archived at <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/>.

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Specifically, this document identifies HTTP/2 features that are subsumed by QUIC, and describes how the other features can be implemented atop QUIC. +--- note_Note_to_Readers + +Discussion of this draft takes place on the QUIC working group mailing list (quic@ietf.org), +which is archived at . Indeed. Good catch. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/78 ----==_mimepart_584b2092a346c_344b3fe2ebb7113814252cc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -63,6 +63,14 @@ HTTP semantics over QUIC.  Specifically, this document identifies HTTP/2
 features that are subsumed by QUIC, and describes how the other features can be
 implemented atop QUIC.
 
+--- note_Note_to_Readers
+
+Discussion of this draft takes place on the QUIC working group mailing list (quic@ietf.org),
+which is archived at <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/>.

Indeed. Good catch.

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EXTENDED_SETTINGS was proposed in the HTTP WG as an extension providing an alternative to the HTTP/2 SETTINGS frame. While feedback was that it was "the design we should have had for HTTP/2... more general, saves space in most cases, and includes a flag to request acknowledgment", there was also a feeling that as an extension it was overkill since most things that needed settings already used SETTINGS. The advice was to hold it for HTTP/QUIC and make it the default SETTINGS frame there. So here it is.

Note that while it uses a slightly different ACK mechanism than HTTP/2 SETTINGS, it's subject to the same timing issues as HTTP/2 SETTINGS ACK over QUIC, namely that you can't know when the setting change has been applied on each stream. This pull request doesn't fix that; it's tracked by #75 still.

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Noise can be reduced by creating a single PR for all changes that hit all the drafts. You can still have separate commits.

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This looks good enough to merge. A few nits though. > - frames with ACK bit set, as in HTTP/2, or rely on transport- level - acknowledgment. +The SETTINGS frame (type=0x4) conveys configuration parameters that affect how +endpoints communicate, such as preferences and constraints on peer behavior, and +is substantially different from {{!RFC7540}}. Individually, a SETTINGS parameter +can also be referred to as a "setting". + +SETTINGS parameters are not negotiated; they describe characteristics of the +sending peer, which are used by the receiving peer. However, a negotiation can +be implied by the use of SETTINGS -- a peer uses SETTINGS to advertise a set of +supported values. The recipient can then choose which entries from this list are +also acceptable and proceed with the value it has chosen. (This choice could be +announced in a field of an extension frame, or in a value in SETTINGS.) + +Different values for the same parameter can be advertised by each peer. For +example, a server might support many different signing algorithms, while a I wouldn't use signature algorithms as an example here. > +Different values for the same parameter can be advertised by each peer. For +example, a server might support many different signing algorithms, while a +resource constrained client has only one or two that it can validate. + +A SETTINGS frame MAY be sent at any time by either endpoint over the lifetime +of the connection. + +Each parameter in a SETTINGS frame replaces any existing value for that +parameter. Parameters are processed in the order in which they appear, and a +receiver of a SETTINGS frame does not need to maintain any state other than the +current value of its parameters. Therefore, the value of a SETTINGS parameter is +the last value that is seen by a receiver. + +The SETTINGS frame defines the following flag: + + REQUEST_ACK (0x1): I think that this will be formatted strangely. You should confirm with [the manual](http://kramdown.gettalong.org/syntax.html) and maybe check the build output. > +The payload of a SETTINGS frame consists of zero or more parameters, each +consisting of an unsigned 16-bit setting identifier and a length-prefixed binary +value. + +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ++-------------------------------+-+-------------+---------------+ +| Identifier (16) |B| Length (15) | ++-------------------------------+-+-------------+---------------+ +| Contents (?) ... ++---------------------------------------------------------------+ +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +{: #fig-ext-settings title="SETTINGS value format"} + +A zero-length content indicates that the setting value is a Boolean given by the +B bit. If Length is not zero, the B bit MUST be zero, and MUST be ignored by +receivers. The initial value of each setting is "false." > The initial value of a Boolean setting is "false". > @@ -447,13 +497,12 @@ superseded by QUIC transport parameters in HTTP-over-QUIC. Below is a listing of how each HTTP/2 SETTINGS parameter is mapped: SETTINGS_HEADER_TABLE_SIZE: - : Sent in SETTINGS frame. + : An integer with a maximum value of 2^32 - 1. We need a definition of how to encode integers in the field. Do we permit leading zero octets? > SETTINGS_ENABLE_PUSH: - : Sent in SETTINGS frame (TBD, currently set using QUIC "SPSH" connection - option) + : A Boolean This is unfortunate. Your change to booleans has made this have a new default. Nit: missing period. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/80#pullrequestreview-12319111 ----==_mimepart_584b2dbd8cd1b_24013feb3f8d51347426e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

This looks good enough to merge. A few nits though.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> -  frames with ACK bit set, as in HTTP/2, or rely on transport- level
-  acknowledgment.
+The SETTINGS frame (type=0x4) conveys configuration parameters that affect how 
+endpoints communicate, such as preferences and constraints on peer behavior, and 
+is substantially different from {{!RFC7540}}. Individually, a SETTINGS parameter 
+can also be referred to as a "setting". 
+
+SETTINGS parameters are not negotiated; they describe characteristics of the 
+sending peer, which are used by the receiving peer. However, a negotiation can 
+be implied by the use of SETTINGS -- a peer uses SETTINGS to advertise a set of 
+supported values. The recipient can then choose which entries from this list are 
+also acceptable and proceed with the value it has chosen. (This choice could be 
+announced in a field of an extension frame, or in a value in SETTINGS.) 
+
+Different values for the same parameter can be advertised by each peer. For 
+example, a server might support many different signing algorithms, while a

I wouldn't use signature algorithms as an example here.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +Different values for the same parameter can be advertised by each peer. For 
+example, a server might support many different signing algorithms, while a 
+resource constrained client has only one or two that it can validate. 
+
+A SETTINGS frame MAY be sent at any time by either endpoint over the lifetime 
+of the connection. 
+
+Each parameter in a SETTINGS frame replaces any existing value for that 
+parameter. Parameters are processed in the order in which they appear, and a 
+receiver of a SETTINGS frame does not need to maintain any state other than the 
+current value of its parameters. Therefore, the value of a SETTINGS parameter is 
+the last value that is seen by a receiver.
+
+The SETTINGS frame defines the following flag: 
+
+  REQUEST_ACK (0x1):

I think that this will be formatted strangely. You should confirm with the manual and maybe check the build output.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +The payload of a SETTINGS frame consists of zero or more parameters, each 
+consisting of an unsigned 16-bit setting identifier and a length-prefixed binary 
+value.
+
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
++-------------------------------+-+-------------+---------------+
+|        Identifier (16)        |B|        Length (15)          |
++-------------------------------+-+-------------+---------------+
+|                          Contents (?)                       ...
++---------------------------------------------------------------+
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
+{: #fig-ext-settings title="SETTINGS value format"}
+
+A zero-length content indicates that the setting value is a Boolean given by the 
+B bit. If Length is not zero, the B bit MUST be zero, and MUST be ignored by 
+receivers. The initial value of each setting is "false."

The initial value of a Boolean setting is "false".

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -447,13 +497,12 @@ superseded by QUIC transport parameters in HTTP-over-QUIC. Below is a listing of
 how each HTTP/2 SETTINGS parameter is mapped: 
 
   SETTINGS_HEADER_TABLE_SIZE:
-  : Sent in SETTINGS frame.
+  : An integer with a maximum value of 2^32 - 1.

We need a definition of how to encode integers in the field. Do we permit leading zero octets?

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
   SETTINGS_ENABLE_PUSH:
-  : Sent in SETTINGS frame (TBD, currently set using QUIC "SPSH" connection
-    option)
+  : A Boolean

This is unfortunate. Your change to booleans has made this have a new default.

Nit: missing period.

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For +example, a server might support many different signing algorithms, while a +resource constrained client has only one or two that it can validate. + +A SETTINGS frame MAY be sent at any time by either endpoint over the lifetime +of the connection. + +Each parameter in a SETTINGS frame replaces any existing value for that +parameter. Parameters are processed in the order in which they appear, and a +receiver of a SETTINGS frame does not need to maintain any state other than the +current value of its parameters. Therefore, the value of a SETTINGS parameter is +the last value that is seen by a receiver. + +The SETTINGS frame defines the following flag: + + REQUEST_ACK (0x1): Build output looks fine to me -- is there something specific you're concerned about? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +Different values for the same parameter can be advertised by each peer. For 
+example, a server might support many different signing algorithms, while a 
+resource constrained client has only one or two that it can validate. 
+
+A SETTINGS frame MAY be sent at any time by either endpoint over the lifetime 
+of the connection. 
+
+Each parameter in a SETTINGS frame replaces any existing value for that 
+parameter. Parameters are processed in the order in which they appear, and a 
+receiver of a SETTINGS frame does not need to maintain any state other than the 
+current value of its parameters. Therefore, the value of a SETTINGS parameter is 
+the last value that is seen by a receiver.
+
+The SETTINGS frame defines the following flag: 
+
+  REQUEST_ACK (0x1):

Build output looks fine to me -- is there something specific you're concerned about?

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +Different values for the same parameter can be advertised by each peer. For 
+example, a server might support many different signing algorithms, while a 
+resource constrained client has only one or two that it can validate. 
+
+A SETTINGS frame MAY be sent at any time by either endpoint over the lifetime 
+of the connection. 
+
+Each parameter in a SETTINGS frame replaces any existing value for that 
+parameter. Parameters are processed in the order in which they appear, and a 
+receiver of a SETTINGS frame does not need to maintain any state other than the 
+current value of its parameters. Therefore, the value of a SETTINGS parameter is 
+the last value that is seen by a receiver.
+
+The SETTINGS frame defines the following flag: 
+
+  REQUEST_ACK (0x1):

You indented here, but I don't believe that this will result in any indenting for the REQUEST_ACK line.

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Because of a stated goal from some implementers to reuse HTTP/2 framing as much as possible, the draft currently augments the HTTP/2 Frame Type Registry with a "Supported Protocol" column, allowing a frame to be defined for HTTP/2, HTTP/QUIC, or both. A specification is required for each supported protocol.

However, in the current draft, all but one "Both" frames are different between HTTP/2 and HTTP/QUIC. Small or large, nearly every frame has required some modification to work over QUIC. If we accept #80 , all frames will be different between HTTP/2 and HTTP/QUIC.

At that point, is there really a point in continuing to define HTTP/QUIC in relation to HTTP/2, or should we just admit that it's a new, separate thing that's heavily inspired by HTTP/2? Separate registry, etc., and future extensions can register themselves with both if appropriate? Or do we keep the same registry anyway to enforce that you'll never wind up with totally unrelated frames sharing the same value across the two protocols?

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----==_mimepart_584b3f851c946_fef3f859b12f13c5392f0-- From nobody Fri Dec 9 15:36:29 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6300612952C for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2016 15:36:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.455 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.455 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id spZ1DPPADZ2g for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2016 15:36:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext8.iad.github.net [192.30.252.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B6D01294E1 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2016 15:36:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2016 15:36:25 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1481326585; bh=RzQuKnZFgagHtewG5z8yvO3dK24X+nbquM6msFpK1dE=; h=From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=bSiFawiqRcGlGPe0ATCp0oytbizzdm9h+TVGIRcA9OknO7Wa7qStsrAr9BY3B1jKb RyZUH4SEpVV+niaMf9LBmPgCVqxblN/L4LUH62zvzkm9tAC7msoMGYSlL3t3LlfzT6 RVL3qCwsQ0OxzlpBHYy1fafxhNXIMSsXTDNtMFh4= From: Martin Thomson To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Split from HTTP/2 framing? (#81) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_584b3ff9e4b3f_66e93fc1a7e7d1343811ed"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2016 23:36:28 -0000 ----==_mimepart_584b3ff9e4b3f_66e93fc1a7e7d1343811ed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It seems like we have a protocol that is inspired and informed by HTTP/2, not congruent with it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/81#issuecomment-266152878 ----==_mimepart_584b3ff9e4b3f_66e93fc1a7e7d1343811ed Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

It seems like we have a protocol that is inspired and informed by HTTP/2, not congruent with it.

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I think that if we have so many differences, and they are so fundamental, then we're really building a new protocol. I had hoped that we wouldn't be doing that, but it seems like it's unavoidable.

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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_584b453951c_7f913f966f91b12c11286"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Martin Thomson List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2016 23:58:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_584b453951c_7f913f966f91b12c11286 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: eafea732faa8f4016c9f3b00123cf5eb8e2ad736 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/eafea732faa8f4016c9f3b00123cf5eb8e2ad736 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-11-25 (Fri, 25 Nov 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Work in progress: Improving the quality of the TLS overview I've improved terminology throughout the early sections and tried to be more precise. I probably need to add a picture or two to help. The latter sections still need work. I want to move the "system component" diagram that I had to the main draft. It would be good to have a topological map of all the pieces. Commit: ab76aee5cd684f0c7f33b558b59aff32bbc7ef7c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ab76aee5cd684f0c7f33b558b59aff32bbc7ef7c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-11-28 (Mon, 28 Nov 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Adding details of the interaction between QUIC and TLS Commit: 9155bd97c3018e34c42839213cfe66b71f36c72a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9155bd97c3018e34c42839213cfe66b71f36c72a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-11-28 (Mon, 28 Nov 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Refinement of delivery requirements Commit: 17ab6f872deddba0f3742c43e7993839dc2d011f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/17ab6f872deddba0f3742c43e7993839dc2d011f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-11-28 (Mon, 28 Nov 2016) Changed paths: M .gitignore Log Message: ----------- Fix ignore Commit: 474b579e76beaf1d2c8c05429e220d0526617a45 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/474b579e76beaf1d2c8c05429e220d0526617a45 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-11-28 (Mon, 28 Nov 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Fix client's second phase Commit: 577d8df8f5216a18b94497cd449056b8cb688397 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/577d8df8f5216a18b94497cd449056b8cb688397 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-11-28 (Mon, 28 Nov 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Expand on retransmission of handshake messages Commit: 31eaab606586da1f2ff1659abfb8d24c99126870 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/31eaab606586da1f2ff1659abfb8d24c99126870 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-11-28 (Mon, 28 Nov 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Make it clearer what keys are used for which in packet protection Commit: ef666a931b8e39e96f574ba1ef242e0c125b9c67 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ef666a931b8e39e96f574ba1ef242e0c125b9c67 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-11-28 (Mon, 28 Nov 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Pre-handshake clarifications Commit: 035b6b515bc29466370329acd04288c592c2e591 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/035b6b515bc29466370329acd04288c592c2e591 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2016-12-07 (Wed, 07 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Contributing editorial fixes Commit: d2956b87358a0363c5673cf4802940e72bc3f5f9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d2956b87358a0363c5673cf4802940e72bc3f5f9 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-12-08 (Thu, 08 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- QUIC delivers data to TLS Commit: 4188b83053fe6ac21b314a06c9cbcf7fd6d840b0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4188b83053fe6ac21b314a06c9cbcf7fd6d840b0 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-12-08 (Thu, 08 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- More precise talk about TLS data exchange Commit: 2d734153d7dfc6d298b3cbf43d2b89ebaedb5232 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2d734153d7dfc6d298b3cbf43d2b89ebaedb5232 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-12-08 (Thu, 08 Dec 2016) Changed paths: A .targets M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Rework packet protection and key phases to be clearer and more correct. Commit: 00aaef3f7c4b20a3b98020a83755fe2bf5edbcd9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/00aaef3f7c4b20a3b98020a83755fe2bf5edbcd9 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-12-08 (Thu, 08 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Ian had a few helpful comments Commit: af9b07a86e6b7384a84f722da7437fcf37fe25aa https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/af9b07a86e6b7384a84f722da7437fcf37fe25aa Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-12-08 (Thu, 08 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Take on some of the comments Commit: d3aceaf61d2eb65559750930ad030c20e2524193 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d3aceaf61d2eb65559750930ad030c20e2524193 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-12-09 (Fri, 09 Dec 2016) Changed paths: R .targets M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Rework 0-RTT so that packets are marked with VERSION Commit: b57a13cff2bfd8da4b432a42c36876761e18655a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b57a13cff2bfd8da4b432a42c36876761e18655a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-12-09 (Fri, 09 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #43 from quicwg/0rtt-phases Improve KEY_PHASE description Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/67942cfc8269...b57a13cff2bf ----==_mimepart_584b453951c_7f913f966f91b12c11286-- From nobody Fri Dec 9 15:59:26 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44BAB12956D for ; 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For +example, a server might support many different signing algorithms, while a +resource constrained client has only one or two that it can validate. + +A SETTINGS frame MAY be sent at any time by either endpoint over the lifetime +of the connection. + +Each parameter in a SETTINGS frame replaces any existing value for that +parameter. Parameters are processed in the order in which they appear, and a +receiver of a SETTINGS frame does not need to maintain any state other than the +current value of its parameters. Therefore, the value of a SETTINGS parameter is +the last value that is seen by a receiver. + +The SETTINGS frame defines the following flag: + + REQUEST_ACK (0x1): Ah, I see. It's indented in the HTML, but not indented in the TXT. That's consistent with the rest of the document, and with RFC 7540, which uses the same non-indentation for definition lists. 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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +Different values for the same parameter can be advertised by each peer. For 
+example, a server might support many different signing algorithms, while a 
+resource constrained client has only one or two that it can validate. 
+
+A SETTINGS frame MAY be sent at any time by either endpoint over the lifetime 
+of the connection. 
+
+Each parameter in a SETTINGS frame replaces any existing value for that 
+parameter. Parameters are processed in the order in which they appear, and a 
+receiver of a SETTINGS frame does not need to maintain any state other than the 
+current value of its parameters. Therefore, the value of a SETTINGS parameter is 
+the last value that is seen by a receiver.
+
+The SETTINGS frame defines the following flag: 
+
+  REQUEST_ACK (0x1):

Ah, I see. It's indented in the HTML, but not indented in the TXT. That's consistent with the rest of the document, and with RFC 7540, which uses the same non-indentation for definition lists. I'm inclined to leave it; if it distresses you, feel free to suggest a change. ;-)

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  • EXTENDED_SETTINGS was a proposed extension to HTTP/2 the WG decided to = defer to the next protocol update. Clearly not worth a protocol rev by its= elf.
  • PRIORITY needs to be off-stream because frames from different stream ca= n be reordered with respect to each other and priority changes aren't commu= tative, plus needs some rearranging to accommodate QUIC's larger stream spa= ce. Doesn't apply to TCP, since frames can't be reordered.
  • HEADERS change is the sequence number, which isn't needed in TCP becaus= e of ordering. (Plus padding is redundant and the embedded PRIORITY is sub= ject to the previous bullet.) Modulo any changes we make to HPACK in the f= uture.
  • PUSH_PROMISE is the same as HEADERS, plus needs an extra bit to accommo= date QUIC's larger stream space.

So no, I don't think there's currently a need to backport any of this in= to a mapping over TCP. Now if we modify HPACK to include new features, not= just reordering-resiliency, those might be worth backporting. My= inclination is to finalize QPACK or whatever, then maybe define HTTP/2.1 w= ith QPACK and maybe EXTENDED_SETTINGS.

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I imagined that the pull requests will be acted upon by the individual draft authors, thus it seemed better to have one per draft.

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----==_mimepart_584d6311724c7_450c3fa5f46f113c61327-- From nobody Sun Dec 11 21:29:08 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D55F812998A for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2016 21:29:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1VY4BW1UmSUv for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2016 21:29:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0EB6C129987 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2016 21:29:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2016 21:29:04 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1481520544; bh=3K/mK4jWp/waM/4bWXwa6/w/+4Kb7Eneyy5zgbv2OeU=; h=From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=pV413dfKNQpQIGzt0zrnvekkpc0FAJIMoZOjIk2lvfHgY7bnq3v5XN4WdIlIzLUEw K7IrMnQxKdUTmP13lUmqb7l6U8tUhS5i5vaSO6PTf8Q2CHIzZvp6IvpUofF1mkn5ij Hhr+Xp4sYvSlCI0DpgSra8HFIiJTx57ADpCB+8yY= From: martinduke To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] What can change in a different version (#55) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_584e35a0d793f_21983f9ee97ef1402063c1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 05:29:08 -0000 ----==_mimepart_584e35a0d793f_21983f9ee97ef1402063c1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After thinking about it a bit, I may be willing to fold on putting the version number first. It's not too onerous to make host use the full 64 bits of the conn-id until the version is negotiated. Also, we're looking at quadrillions of connections on a single server before there's much chance of a connection ID collision, and in that case the only consequence is a dropped CHLO. So allowing for > 64 bits in the far future may be a bit too paranoid. But that means that the "must not change between versions" section I'm proposing should also lock the connection ID length for version negotiation packets. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/55#issuecomment-266346429 ----==_mimepart_584e35a0d793f_21983f9ee97ef1402063c1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

After thinking about it a bit, I may be willing to fold on putting the= version number first.

It's not too onerous to make host use the full 64 bits of the conn-id = until the version is negotiated.

Also, we're looking at quadrillions of connections on a single server = before there's much chance of a connection ID collision, and in that case= the only consequence is a dropped CHLO. So allowing for > 64 bits in = the far future may be a bit too paranoid.

But that means that the "must not change between versions" section I'm= proposing should also lock the connection ID length for version negotiat= ion packets.

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= ----==_mimepart_584e35a0d793f_21983f9ee97ef1402063c1-- From nobody Mon Dec 12 10:19:44 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA8B91294B1 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 10:19:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.896, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qmjicySiJWGp for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 10:19:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C9E27129484 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 10:19:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=3eEA41tu98wU/2JDn6rWb4AFSCY=; b=t9TpRjMIVj1iKZJ4 EvyG5UwmMjtECWIazA2Bk8uFggteI5VdS1nftj23sIb0leRF+Zej7Uk3luvpE7/J 1XvEuFesRtrQccyeyuuHxQGJwW4adrMOdegMwleApLN3JYSG2aENqbe7ullk3lKj 1d7aisIUIGQbR4KnNJePtMnsTCA= Received: by filter0828p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0828p1mdw1-24629-584EEA35-72 2016-12-12 18:19:33.86725972 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id Sz4SPCZ4TTG29YkuFqtVOQ for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 18:19:33.833 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 10:19:33 -0800 From: Mike Bishop To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] SETTINGS synchronization (#75) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_584eea35abc9b_f8b3fc4518711305469d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3OFGeZeFNqkB99x0AcD52tGnRzlnT0V9g/7k 5x+3742I1tlm72eVo76WdcMtMUny8y5Ih4K/pHMqRAHBEZTWKZLR1El06mFWDn4aUg1xIBnwUumZ4c P6Ff+SbaFy5/yqC4qOeti00J3jIVojWWIOInXW8Jo6SKoDoGHcLJPx8wj3raD8IKpLPuE3MTZjiRcJ I= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 18:19:43 -0000 ----==_mimepart_584eea35abc9b_f8b3fc4518711305469d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think I have a solution, but it's a little ugly. Upon receipt of a SETTINGS frame, every stream will be either already closed, open, or still idle. The sender of the SETTINGS frame needs to know, for each stream, which state applied so it can enforce the new settings appropriately. If the receiver sends: - On stream 3, a SETTINGS_ACK frame containing the highest open stream number in each direction (tells the sender which streams weren't open yet and have the new settings from the start) - On every open (control) stream, an empty SETTINGS_ACK frame as a time marker The sender of the SETTINGS frame can then require that it receive the master ACK *and* that every stream below the highest-open either closes or ACKs before the timeout expires. This is resilient to reordering between the streams, but will unfortunately require spitting out as many frames as you have open streams, making the request for an ACK potentially expensive. > **Corner case:** If the frames opening streams have been reordered, the receiver of the SETTINGS frame might find itself required to ACK on a stream that, from its perspective, is still idle. Permit it to open a stream in the "wrong direction," or does it need to wait until the frame has been received? It can anticipate that the frame is already in flight, so this wouldn't appear to be an ordering violation to the other peer. On the plus side, #80 makes the ACK optional (i.e. sender-requested) rather than requiring it for every SETTINGS frame, so we're hopefully going to do this less often. Only a few settings actually require a timing synchronization point (mostly flow control, which is gone, and HPACK). 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I think I have a solution, but it's a little ugly. Upon receipt of a SE= TTINGS frame, every stream will be either already closed, open, or still id= le. The sender of the SETTINGS frame needs to know, for each stream, which= state applied so it can enforce the new settings appropriately.

If the receiver sends:

  • On stream 3, a SETTINGS_ACK frame containing the highest open stream nu= mber in each direction (tells the sender which streams weren't open yet and= have the new settings from the start)
  • On every open (control) stream, an empty SETTINGS_ACK frame as a time m= arker

The sender of the SETTINGS frame can then require that it receive the ma= ster ACK and that every stream below the highest-open either close= s or ACKs before the timeout expires. This is resilient to reordering betwe= en the streams, but will unfortunately require spitting out as many frames = as you have open streams, making the request for an ACK potentially expensi= ve.

Corner case: If the frames opening streams have been re= ordered, the receiver of the SETTINGS frame might find itself required to A= CK on a stream that, from its perspective, is still idle. Permit it to ope= n a stream in the "wrong direction," or does it need to wait until the fram= e has been received? It can anticipate that the frame is already in flight= , so this wouldn't appear to be an ordering violation to the other peer.

On the plus side, #80 = makes the ACK optional (i.e. sender-requested) rather than requiring it for= every SETTINGS frame, so we're hopefully going to do this less often. Onl= y a few settings actually require a timing synchronization point (mostly fl= ow control, which is gone, and HPACK).

More elegant solutions eagerly solicited.

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Fixed in the current draft -- PRIORITY now has 32-bits and a clear field to expand if QUIC does.

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Addresses #54. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_584f1e55a01c4_2168f3ffda19ab134814e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mike Bishop List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 22:02:04 -0000 ----==_mimepart_584f1e55a01c4_2168f3ffda19ab134814e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/http_diagrams Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: abd2db66d81fbecfc3177882a01b503077c9db8e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/abd2db66d81fbecfc3177882a01b503077c9db8e Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2016-12-12 (Mon, 12 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Frame diagram formats. 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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_584f1fc5bd7cf_2106f3ffceed7b13c930cb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mike Bishop List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 22:08:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_584f1fc5bd7cf_2106f3ffceed7b13c930cb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/extended_settings Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: eafea732faa8f4016c9f3b00123cf5eb8e2ad736 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/eafea732faa8f4016c9f3b00123cf5eb8e2ad736 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-11-25 (Fri, 25 Nov 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Work in progress: Improving the quality of the TLS overview I've improved terminology throughout the early sections and tried to be more precise. I probably need to add a picture or two to help. The latter sections still need work. I want to move the "system component" diagram that I had to the main draft. It would be good to have a topological map of all the pieces. Commit: ab76aee5cd684f0c7f33b558b59aff32bbc7ef7c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ab76aee5cd684f0c7f33b558b59aff32bbc7ef7c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-11-28 (Mon, 28 Nov 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Adding details of the interaction between QUIC and TLS Commit: 9155bd97c3018e34c42839213cfe66b71f36c72a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9155bd97c3018e34c42839213cfe66b71f36c72a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-11-28 (Mon, 28 Nov 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Refinement of delivery requirements Commit: 17ab6f872deddba0f3742c43e7993839dc2d011f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/17ab6f872deddba0f3742c43e7993839dc2d011f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-11-28 (Mon, 28 Nov 2016) Changed paths: M .gitignore Log Message: ----------- Fix ignore Commit: 474b579e76beaf1d2c8c05429e220d0526617a45 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/474b579e76beaf1d2c8c05429e220d0526617a45 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-11-28 (Mon, 28 Nov 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Fix client's second phase Commit: 577d8df8f5216a18b94497cd449056b8cb688397 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/577d8df8f5216a18b94497cd449056b8cb688397 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-11-28 (Mon, 28 Nov 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Expand on retransmission of handshake messages Commit: 31eaab606586da1f2ff1659abfb8d24c99126870 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/31eaab606586da1f2ff1659abfb8d24c99126870 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-11-28 (Mon, 28 Nov 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Make it clearer what keys are used for which in packet protection Commit: ef666a931b8e39e96f574ba1ef242e0c125b9c67 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ef666a931b8e39e96f574ba1ef242e0c125b9c67 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-11-28 (Mon, 28 Nov 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Pre-handshake clarifications Commit: 035b6b515bc29466370329acd04288c592c2e591 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/035b6b515bc29466370329acd04288c592c2e591 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2016-12-07 (Wed, 07 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Contributing editorial fixes Commit: d2956b87358a0363c5673cf4802940e72bc3f5f9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d2956b87358a0363c5673cf4802940e72bc3f5f9 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-12-08 (Thu, 08 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- QUIC delivers data to TLS Commit: 4188b83053fe6ac21b314a06c9cbcf7fd6d840b0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4188b83053fe6ac21b314a06c9cbcf7fd6d840b0 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-12-08 (Thu, 08 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- More precise talk about TLS data exchange Commit: 2d734153d7dfc6d298b3cbf43d2b89ebaedb5232 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2d734153d7dfc6d298b3cbf43d2b89ebaedb5232 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-12-08 (Thu, 08 Dec 2016) Changed paths: A .targets M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Rework packet protection and key phases to be clearer and more correct. Commit: 00aaef3f7c4b20a3b98020a83755fe2bf5edbcd9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/00aaef3f7c4b20a3b98020a83755fe2bf5edbcd9 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-12-08 (Thu, 08 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Ian had a few helpful comments Commit: af9b07a86e6b7384a84f722da7437fcf37fe25aa https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/af9b07a86e6b7384a84f722da7437fcf37fe25aa Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-12-08 (Thu, 08 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Take on some of the comments Commit: ac65f9a8cd209a3efd355999b6cd70f036a2e89b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ac65f9a8cd209a3efd355999b6cd70f036a2e89b Author: Julian Reschke Date: 2016-12-09 (Fri, 09 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Add "Note To Readers" Commit: ba08472b7899f5ff3be23c76a012616f5cb21113 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ba08472b7899f5ff3be23c76a012616f5cb21113 Author: Julian Reschke Date: 2016-12-09 (Fri, 09 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-http.md Commit: a4d7f47a471eeb126360fe03cd706e47b36e79d8 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a4d7f47a471eeb126360fe03cd706e47b36e79d8 Author: Julian Reschke Date: 2016-12-09 (Fri, 09 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- fix mailing list archive URI (sorry for the noise) Commit: 437610dea3ed60e7c4cc01f0f5bb8cf1e25c73f7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/437610dea3ed60e7c4cc01f0f5bb8cf1e25c73f7 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-12-09 (Fri, 09 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #79 from reschke/patch-7 fix mailing list archive URI Commit: d3aceaf61d2eb65559750930ad030c20e2524193 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d3aceaf61d2eb65559750930ad030c20e2524193 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-12-09 (Fri, 09 Dec 2016) Changed paths: R .targets M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Rework 0-RTT so that packets are marked with VERSION Commit: 67942cfc8269e064f7d95c74de2296b189f7e6bb https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/67942cfc8269e064f7d95c74de2296b189f7e6bb Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-12-09 (Fri, 09 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #78 from reschke/patch-6 Add "Note To Readers" Commit: b57a13cff2bfd8da4b432a42c36876761e18655a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b57a13cff2bfd8da4b432a42c36876761e18655a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-12-09 (Fri, 09 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #43 from quicwg/0rtt-phases Improve KEY_PHASE description Commit: abf5b35a047f33e75f5d31a2b65c26699532e9d5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/abf5b35a047f33e75f5d31a2b65c26699532e9d5 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-12-09 (Fri, 09 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- reclaim that diversification nonce Commit: b95f5ca201dde8bea11522163c00ba375578dfac https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b95f5ca201dde8bea11522163c00ba375578dfac Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-12-09 (Fri, 09 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #48 from quicwg/tls-bit Reclaim the diversification nonce for packet protection Commit: 69498517ddde5d34e4cdb8229383c06093b815f8 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/69498517ddde5d34e4cdb8229383c06093b815f8 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-12-09 (Fri, 09 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Fix KEY_PHASE bit in tls draft Commit: ce06f462ec50ec6a61933745cd11e5959bd5d08f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ce06f462ec50ec6a61933745cd11e5959bd5d08f Author: Julian Reschke Date: 2016-12-11 (Sun, 11 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Add "Note To Readers" Commit: c97d529da3d062c9ac95829e60973ac212a4ee1c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c97d529da3d062c9ac95829e60973ac212a4ee1c Author: ianswett Date: 2016-12-11 (Sun, 11 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #83 from reschke/patch-5 Add "Note To Readers" Commit: abd2db66d81fbecfc3177882a01b503077c9db8e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/abd2db66d81fbecfc3177882a01b503077c9db8e Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2016-12-12 (Mon, 12 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Frame diagram formats. Addresses #54. Commit: 7166f37af6c72f019c4fef24a9c87ea507355505 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7166f37af6c72f019c4fef24a9c87ea507355505 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2016-12-12 (Mon, 12 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' into extended_settings Commit: 9d08e3d465204a29305327b936d9041503336c6c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9d08e3d465204a29305327b936d9041503336c6c Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2016-12-12 (Mon, 12 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Diagram format for #54 again. 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Addresses #54. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_584f1e8b4b3d_20e073fed4b335130295a1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mike Bishop List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 22:12:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_584f1e8b4b3d_20e073fed4b335130295a1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: abd2db66d81fbecfc3177882a01b503077c9db8e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/abd2db66d81fbecfc3177882a01b503077c9db8e Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2016-12-12 (Mon, 12 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Frame diagram formats. 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I am not sure QUIC can in general rely on the ICMP messages for path MTU discovery, since the ICMP messages are normally consumed by the kernel, which may not expose them to individual clients.

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----==_mimepart_584f2a902d2c7_25ed43f7fc8f03138223022-- From nobody Mon Dec 12 17:00:42 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC4DF129FE6 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 17:00:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.896, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qDhofUZBdbiO for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 17:00:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 23907129FE5 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 17:00:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=ibFWxITcniTad6pVGzWZH0PLOxQ=; b=IICznEj0m7uQEm1U aryxbvP2Nrvt/ozXWwsyLIm6DAKxBCqbdzthNuTcz3nKIGBxc4uwYUmE21BVzASi jsqgdY3cQXzoMY4OQd2A5MIZj2HByT7XHrtB1qVAa+DkuOu8gJBxOAkb1vOa44RZ mD6YHvlVZueUvOIkW1aXu++fKTY= Received: by filter0605p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0605p1mdw1-23224-584F4832-41 2016-12-13 01:00:34.412232182 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id I1JoCQumQP61ftaoAeIWqg for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 01:00:34.388 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 17:00:34 -0800 From: martinduke To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] PMTUD (#64) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_584f48324cc7c_fdb3fe5c0d1913412918d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1cNiPuV47RWe9+7cjMOk47F+84pPYK0aaejz XMedvn5+1tFWQd1RxYb9NBZwrob0adqp9teIm8pLXJ7dk2gDaCoBz/KE4T+o9APm7b+zfTJVuLrkK8 34HdBHA91scN0789ytR+ygznpiKRgxmhrXwAKf5Ir7wB5jKqWOpUB10mLZnyoxEu4ASbrbOZTu+Vxn Y= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 01:00:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_584f48324cc7c_fdb3fe5c0d1913412918d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree that user-space implementations will be reliant on OSes that do whatever they want with UDP ICMP messages. Perhaps the Path MTU discovery section needs lots of SHOULDs instead of MUSTs, because as QUIC migrates into the kernel (?) it can fix these problems. But at the very least, we can set the sockopts to not use the DF bit most of the time. I should really put something together in a detailed proposal. But the outline should be something like this. 1. Conditions in which QUIC MUST or MAY send a packet at full-size (using PAD frames as necessary) with the DF bit set. -- this would certainly include the first CHLO and, probably, the second server-generated packet, in addition to packets involving new 4-tuples. 2. Reactions to loss of those packets 3. Reactions to ICMP packet too big messages -- would include SHOULDs involving storage of IP header fields, which would be most secure. I think some would say that QUIC SHOULD ignore these packets entirely, but I would disagree. Relatedly, we could set a relatively high minimum MTU for QUIC connections (~1000 Bytes?). For legitimately low-MTU links, this would cause lots of fragmentation, but it would substantially mitigate off-path attackers. What do all of you think? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/64#issuecomment-266603323 ----==_mimepart_584f48324cc7c_fdb3fe5c0d1913412918d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I agree that user-space implementations will be reliant on OSes that do = whatever they want with UDP ICMP messages. Perhaps the Path MTU discovery s= ection needs lots of SHOULDs instead of MUSTs, because as QUIC migrates int= o the kernel (?) it can fix these problems. But at the very least, we can s= et the sockopts to not use the DF bit most of the time.

I should really put something together in a detailed proposal. But the o= utline should be something like this.

  1. Conditions in which QUIC MUST or MAY send a packet at full-size (using = PAD frames as necessary) with the DF bit set. -- this would certainly inclu= de the first CHLO and, probably, the second server-generated packet, in add= ition to packets involving new 4-tuples.
  2. Reactions to loss of those packets
  3. Reactions to ICMP packet too big messages -- would include SHOULDs invo= lving storage of IP header fields, which would be most secure. I think some= would say that QUIC SHOULD ignore these packets entirely, but I would disa= gree.

Relatedly, we could set a relatively high minimum MTU for QUIC connectio= ns (~1000 Bytes?). For legitimately low-MTU links, this would cause lots of= fragmentation, but it would substantially mitigate off-path attackers.

What do all of you think?

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I should also add that the very first packet is a poor one to use to wai= t for loss, as the RTT is entirely unknown and must use a conservative RTO = value. It might be better to use a relatively conservative value, as the dr= aft does, at first, and probe upwards to see if there's more capacity to un= lock.

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What's the benefit of relying on ICMP responses vs. doing MTU discovery = at the QUIC layer ("packetization layer PMTUD" RFC 4821)?

Thanks for the reference; I had not seen that RFC.

Though ICMP messages have their disadvantages, there are four advantages= over a loss-based scheme.

  1. Immediate reporting of the actual PMTU, rather than a search process th= at is likely to undershoot the actual PMTU.
  2. Precision only comes with many probes -> many losses that must be re= transmitted.
  3. Loss is an overloaded signal, meaning congestion or RF problems in diff= erent contexts. Therefore there is the possibility of error in interpreting= a loss.
  4. In many cases, detecting a loss will take much longer than an ICMP mess= age sent from an in-path router.

Meanwhile, a MTU underestimate has not only packet overhead consideratio= ns, but also directly impacts the gross throughput possible via congestion = control (which operates in multiples of the MSS).

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In an ideal case, QUIC would get the ICMP message and verify that it really could get a non-fragmented packet through with that size. As long as the size was larger than the chosen handshake size, it would try it. Some of what we've discussed(ie: padding the CHLO and SHLO and setting the DF bit) is what the implementation does today, and not including it in the draft was an oversight we really need to fix. Actually, QUIC's congestion control(and I believe FreeBSD's) operates in bytes, not MSS. But I agree it's likely the network and host are more efficient with larger packets. But please do a pull request with what you describe above, because I think you're going in a good direction, and it's just a matter of working out some details, which is easy to do in the comments of a PR. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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I think I'd like a 'trust but verify" approach to path MTU. In an ideal= case, QUIC would get the ICMP message and verify that it really could get = a non-fragmented packet through with that size. As long as the size was la= rger than the chosen handshake size, it would try it.

Some of what we've discussed(ie: padding the CHLO and SHLO and setting t= he DF bit) is what the implementation does today, and not including it in t= he draft was an oversight we really need to fix.

Actually, QUIC's congestion control(and I believe FreeBSD's) operates in= bytes, not MSS. But I agree it's likely the network and host are more eff= icient with larger packets.

But please do a pull request with what you describe above, because I thi= nk you're going in a good direction, and it's just a matter of working out = some details, which is easy to do in the comments of a PR.

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In an ideal case, QUIC would get the ICMP message and verify that it really could get a non-fragmented packet through with that size. As long as the size was larger than the chosen handshake size, it would try it. Stacks should ignore ICMP messages that *increase* the PMTU. The "only" issues with ICMP are non-conforming routers, and attackers (especially "off-path" attackers) that drive the MTU down to the minimum value. > > Some of what we've discussed(ie: padding the CHLO and SHLO and setting the DF bit) is what the implementation does today, and not including it in the draft was an oversight we really need to fix. > That's great, but again, CHLO and SHLO will often have long RTOs, so loss-based MTU discovery is uniquely ill-suited to these packets. > Actually, QUIC's congestion control(and I believe FreeBSD's) operates in bytes, not MSS. But I agree it's likely the network and host are more efficient with larger packets. > I believe there's already a comment that QUIC congestion control is poorly spelled out in the draft. But the draft says it uses TCP congestion controls, which define their initial cwnd in multiples of MSS. In the absence of ABC, which is not listed in the draft, then acknowledgments increment cwnd in multiples of MSS as well. > But please do a pull request with what you describe above, because I think you're going in a good direction, and it's just a matter of working out some details, which is easy to do in the comments of a PR. It might take me a week or two to get to it, but I will do so. Thanks for the encouragement! -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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I think I'd like a 'trust but verify" approach to path MTU. In an ideal = case, QUIC would get the ICMP message and verify that it really could get a= non-fragmented packet through with that size. As long as the size was larg= er than the chosen handshake size, it would try it.

Stacks should ignore ICMP messages that increase the PMTU. The = "only" issues with ICMP are non-conforming routers, and attackers (especial= ly "off-path" attackers) that drive the MTU down to the minimum value.

Some of what we've discussed(ie: padding the CHLO and SHLO and setting t= he DF bit) is what the implementation does today, and not including it in t= he draft was an oversight we really need to fix.

That's great, but again, CHLO and SHLO will often have long RTOs, so los= s-based MTU discovery is uniquely ill-suited to these packets.

Actually, QUIC's congestion control(and I believe FreeBSD's) operates in= bytes, not MSS. But I agree it's likely the network and host are more effi= cient with larger packets.

I believe there's already a comment that QUIC congestion control is poor= ly spelled out in the draft. But the draft says it uses TCP congestion cont= rols, which define their initial cwnd in multiples of MSS. In the absence o= f ABC, which is not listed in the draft, then acknowledgments increment cwn= d in multiples of MSS as well.

But please do a pull request with what you describe above, because I thi= nk you're going in a good direction, and it's just a matter of working out = some details, which is easy to do in the comments of a PR.

It might take me a week or two to get to it, but I will do so. Thanks fo= r the encouragement!

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In an ideal > case, QUIC would get the ICMP message and verify that it really could get= a > non-fragmented packet through with that size. As long as the size was > larger than the chosen handshake size, it would try it. > > Stacks should ignore ICMP messages that *increase* the PMTU. The "only" > issues with ICMP are non-conforming routers, and attackers (especially > "off-path" attackers) that drive the MTU down to the minimum value. > Right, what I had in mind was completing the handshake, then sending out a RFC 4821 style PMTUD packet and if an ICMP message comes back, try that size one more time to see if it gets through. If the original probe got through, even though an ICMP message was received, then QUIC should ignore the ICMP message and stick with the probed size. > Some of what we've discussed(ie: padding the CHLO and SHLO and setting the > DF bit) is what the implementation does today, and not including it in the > draft was an oversight we really need to fix. > > That's great, but again, CHLO and SHLO will often have long RTOs, so > loss-based MTU discovery is uniquely ill-suited to these packets. > Today, most paths either block all UDP or support largish(ie: >1400 byte) MTUs, so there needs to be good handling for timeouts. Use of ICMP messages in the handshake could be useful when available, but it's an optimization to allow a few extra people to speak QUIC, at least on today's public internet, where it's necessary to have a TCP fallback. But we should specify what should happen in a fallback free world where ICMP is available to clients and servers. > Actually, QUIC's congestion control(and I believe FreeBSD's) operates in > bytes, not MSS. But I agree it's likely the network and host are more > efficient with larger packets. > > I believe there's already a comment that QUIC congestion control is poorly > spelled out in the draft. But the draft says it uses TCP congestion > controls, which define their initial cwnd in multiples of MSS. In the > absence of ABC, which is not listed in the draft, then acknowledgments > increment cwnd in multiples of MSS as well. > Good point, I'll make sure ABC gets added along with a more fleshed out congestion control section. > But please do a pull request with what you describe above, because I think > you're going in a good direction, and it's just a matter of working out > some details, which is easy to do in the comments of a PR. > > It might take me a week or two to get to it, but I will do so. Thanks for > the encouragement! > > =E2=80=94 > You are receiving this because you were mentioned. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > , > or mute the thread > > . > --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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> I think I'd like a 'trust but verify" approach to path MT= U. In an ideal
> case, QUIC would get the ICMP message and verify that it really could = get a
> non-fragmented packet through with that size. As long as the size was<= br> > larger than the chosen handshake size, it would try it.
>
> Stacks should ignore ICMP messages that *increase* the PMTU. The "= ;only"
> issues with ICMP are non-conforming routers, and attackers (especially=
> "off-path" attackers) that drive the MTU down to the minimum= value.
>
Right, what I had in mind was completing the handshake, then sending out a<= br> RFC 4821 style PMTUD packet and if an ICMP message comes back, try that
size one more time to see if it gets through. If the original probe got
through, even though an ICMP message was received, then QUIC should ignore<= br> the ICMP message and stick with the probed size.

> Some of what we've discussed(ie: padding the CHLO and SHLO and set= ting the
> DF bit) is what the implementation does today, and not including it in= the
> draft was an oversight we really need to fix.
>
> That's great, but again, CHLO and SHLO will often have long RTOs, = so
> loss-based MTU discovery is uniquely ill-suited to these packets.
>
Today, most paths either block all UDP or support largish(ie: >1400 byte= )
MTUs, so there needs to be good handling for timeouts. Use of ICMP
messages in the handshake could be useful when available, but it's an optimization to allow a few extra people to speak QUIC, at least on today&#= 39;s
public internet, where it's necessary to have a TCP fallback. But we should specify what should happen in a fallback free world where ICMP is
available to clients and servers.

> Actually, QUIC's congestion control(and I believe FreeBSD's) o= perates in
> bytes, not MSS. But I agree it's likely the network and host are m= ore
> efficient with larger packets.
>
> I believe there's already a comment that QUIC congestion control i= s poorly
> spelled out in the draft. But the draft says it uses TCP congestion
> controls, which define their initial cwnd in multiples of MSS. In the<= br> > absence of ABC, which is not listed in the draft, then acknowledgments=
> increment cwnd in multiples of MSS as well.
>
Good point, I'll make sure ABC gets added along with a more fleshed out=
congestion control section.

> But please do a pull request with what you describe above, because I t= hink
> you're going in a good direction, and it's just a matter of wo= rking out
> some details, which is easy to do in the comments of a PR.
>
> It might take me a week or two to get to it, but I will do so. Thanks = for
> the encouragement!
>
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For #75, but depends on #80. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/84 -- Commit Summary -- * SETTING_ACK across all streams -- for #75 -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (82) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/84.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/84.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/84 ----==_mimepart_58503cb0c7eff_458a3f8204c071303923cf Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This is what the ACK-on-all-streams option would look like, I think. For #75, but depends on #80.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/84

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I fully support a relatively large minimum packet size for QUIC. It massively mitigates the downside of some MTU-based attacks.

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----==_mimepart_5850858c6e812_109d3f9575fe113c1080c6-- From nobody Tue Dec 13 15:56:46 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 310BE129C71 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 15:56:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8U8MOPPseaJi for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 15:56:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1B4001295A9 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 15:54:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 15:54:13 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1481673253; bh=S5GbzdDDv2cKCmjZwNofrqLahglfNS/aIJs6444s4jM=; h=From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=f1iR1YFadgC+iBf6nxg0YEhrgv6IQSOQCxLlt8huZcjDjJbtvuV3qcXfy1tGsKnJy 0OyHxXobgvdkyZdxrHM/o9iXE2YUQYrnRnBBaqFPSENcC7BctJ7aEJ9XDLRIEvunge v+xA2bHsrO+qwbF+DumaRNO+IBWvkGa/tuegGLXo= From: Martin Thomson To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Possible SETTINGS_ACK proposal (#84) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58508a25726e1_6f9d3f90bb4531305938e7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 23:56:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58508a25726e1_6f9d3f90bb4531305938e7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > -here that need to be solved. - +recipient MUST immediately emit the following: + + - On the connection control stream, a SETTINGS_ACK frame listing the + identifiers whose values were understood and applied. (If none of the values + were understood, the SETTINGS_ACK frame will be empty, but MUST still be + sent.) + + - On each request control stream which is not in the "half-closed (local)" or + "closed" state, an empty SETTINGS_ACK frame. + +The SETTINGS_ACK frame on the connection control stream contains the highest +stream number which was open at the time the SETTINGS frame was received. All +streams with higher numbers can safely be assumed to have the new settings in +effect when they open. Let's say that the opening of a stream is delayed (loss looks like a delay for this stuff). Stream N gets through, but stream N-2 takes another RTT or so to open. What is the receiver of the SETTINGS frame expected to do in this case? Is it expected to play out the SETTINGS_ACK when the stream finally makes it through? The problem here is that stream N-2 might have been skipped by the other side. How does a receiver know what to do with that uncertainty? It can't hold onto the SETTINGS_ACK indefinitely. I think that we need to mandate no stream skipping in this case. The next problem is in correlating the SETTINGS_ACK with the SETTINGS. I think that your scheme almost works, but we probably want to include some text on how this correlation is expected to work: - for every SETTINGS that requests acknowledgment, there is a SETTINGS_ACK - for every SETTINGS_ACK, every open stream less or equal to the included stream number will contain a SETTINGS_ACK Where this doesn't work is when the receiver of a SETTINGS frame opens a stream. Say a server sends SETTINGS at and then a client opens stream 7. The server cannot know whether stream 7 was open at the time that the client received the SETTINGS frame. Even if the opening frame on stream 7 is in the same packet as the client's SETTINGS_ACK, there is no good way to know what order the client actually performed these two actions. Thus, if stream 7 is still open when a second SETTINGS is sent, the SETTINGS_ACK that the server receives on stream 7 could correspond to either settings. The only fix I'm aware of is to set start AND end markers on the control stream SETTINGS_ACK. > -SETTINGS identifiers which the sender has understood and applied. This -list MAY be empty. +of specific values in the peer's SETTINGS frame. Depending on the stream where +it is sent, it takes two different forms. + +On the connection control stream, it contains information about how and when the +sender has processed the most recently-received SETTINGS frame, and has the +following payload: + +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ + 0 1 2 3 + 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 + +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ + | Highest Local Stream (32) | + +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ + | Highest Remote Stream (32) | See above. > +of specific values in the peer's SETTINGS frame. Depending on the stream where +it is sent, it takes two different forms. + +On the connection control stream, it contains information about how and when the +sender has processed the most recently-received SETTINGS frame, and has the +following payload: + +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ + 0 1 2 3 + 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 + +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ + | Highest Local Stream (32) | + +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ + | Highest Remote Stream (32) | + +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ + | Recognized Identifiers (*) ... Would it be more efficient to include unrecognized identifiers? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> -here that need to be solved.
-
+recipient MUST immediately emit the following:
+
+ - On the connection control stream, a SETTINGS_ACK frame listing the 
+   identifiers whose values were understood and applied. (If none of the values 
+   were understood, the SETTINGS_ACK frame will be empty, but MUST still be
+   sent.) 
+
+ - On each request control stream which is not in the "half-closed (local)" or
+   "closed" state, an empty SETTINGS_ACK frame.
+
+The SETTINGS_ACK frame on the connection control stream contains the highest
+stream number which was open at the time the SETTINGS frame was received.  All
+streams with higher numbers can safely be assumed to have the new settings in
+effect when they open.

Let's say that the opening of a stream is delayed (loss looks like a delay for this stuff). Stream N gets through, but stream N-2 takes another RTT or so to open. What is the receiver of the SETTINGS frame expected to do in this case? Is it expected to play out the SETTINGS_ACK when the stream finally makes it through?

The problem here is that stream N-2 might have been skipped by the other side. How does a receiver know what to do with that uncertainty? It can't hold onto the SETTINGS_ACK indefinitely.

I think that we need to mandate no stream skipping in this case.

The next problem is in correlating the SETTINGS_ACK with the SETTINGS. I think that your scheme almost works, but we probably want to include some text on how this correlation is expected to work:

  • for every SETTINGS that requests acknowledgment, there is a SETTINGS_ACK
  • for every SETTINGS_ACK, every open stream less or equal to the included stream number will contain a SETTINGS_ACK

Where this doesn't work is when the receiver of a SETTINGS frame opens a stream. Say a server sends SETTINGS at and then a client opens stream 7. The server cannot know whether stream 7 was open at the time that the client received the SETTINGS frame. Even if the opening frame on stream 7 is in the same packet as the client's SETTINGS_ACK, there is no good way to know what order the client actually performed these two actions. Thus, if stream 7 is still open when a second SETTINGS is sent, the SETTINGS_ACK that the server receives on stream 7 could correspond to either settings.

The only fix I'm aware of is to set start AND end markers on the control stream SETTINGS_ACK.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> -SETTINGS identifiers which the sender has understood and applied. This 
-list MAY be empty. 
+of specific values in the peer's SETTINGS frame. Depending on the stream where
+it is sent, it takes two different forms.
+
+On the connection control stream, it contains information about how and when the
+sender has processed the most recently-received SETTINGS frame, and has the
+following payload:
+
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
+    0                   1                   2                   3
+    0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
+   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+   |                      Highest Local Stream (32)                |
+   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+   |                      Highest Remote Stream (32)               |

See above.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +of specific values in the peer's SETTINGS frame. Depending on the stream where
+it is sent, it takes two different forms.
+
+On the connection control stream, it contains information about how and when the
+sender has processed the most recently-received SETTINGS frame, and has the
+following payload:
+
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
+    0                   1                   2                   3
+    0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
+   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+   |                      Highest Local Stream (32)                |
+   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+   |                      Highest Remote Stream (32)               |
+   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+   |                    Recognized Identifiers (*)               ...

Would it be more efficient to include unrecognized identifiers?

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----==_mimepart_58508a5062958_1ef3fe5efbc7130292110-- From nobody Wed Dec 14 06:56:56 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAD6C12947C for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2016 06:56:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.896, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qMiifhB0oOeS for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2016 06:56:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A82DA1293E0 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2016 06:56:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=65IPDCn1Fzrbms5sSkpAwPjFXKQ=; b=bxpujBkQAnPhQiHh N7yzEasWWb1hgaC5NLxEwxK9153Aai2mG8zymXLVCoMh+Y+X69sY0A/4QS9ix3FI 4mHtxD7oocNNrkor3DWRHQXu3VuYEPkw6DF3UWchcG09zWL8FFzRuji1uz/I1aud pmLSDNRJedr8qsxjuTbg5Kgig4w= Received: by filter0430p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0430p1mdw1-12305-58515DA7-2F 2016-12-14 14:56:39.458542911 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 5vERrXaaQAuhsn5QQkrYqw for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2016 14:56:39.450 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 06:56:39 -0800 From: ianswett To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] What can change in a different version (#55) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58515da74ebd2_18f3fb67588f138117742"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3LjrjwVUW+ZCI9dqvmWB8+0GEkI42gFbiyu8 tSw7/HtXkCNm+ttwQBckG4GRsAAT2tPzGXRxKBv53pxc3LoT9HbCNdzdazRrAxC6I52pXodmSk/n/b L7D4SP3DP2ZmsZpk/6TGTwIPcPbjvnG/Lg7Vo0SL4Xjpqx0p9HlvN5laPM0gJfPvrsWW1CI68UzWZ4 c= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 14:56:55 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58515da74ebd2_18f3fb67588f138117742 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, clearly the version bit must not change. And I think it's fine to always have the client use a 64 bit connection id until negotiated, but I think there were a few folks interested in suggesting 128 bit connection ids for future connections. If that becomes a requirement, then putting the version before the connection id may be the way to go? The benefit of the current approach where the connection ID directly follows the flags is it's easy for load balancers to deal with. That being said, if they're going to have to deal with an extended flags bit, the extra complexity of dealing with a connection id that comes after the version may not matter. And I do think the MORE_FLAGS bit should be defined. The alternative would be to not use more than one flag byte until after version negotiation is complete, but that may be sub-optimal. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/55#issuecomment-267054655 ----==_mimepart_58515da74ebd2_18f3fb67588f138117742 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes, clearly the version bit must not change. And I think it's fine to = always have the client use a 64 bit connection id until negotiated, but I t= hink there were a few folks interested in suggesting 128 bit connection ids= for future connections. If that becomes a requirement, then putting the v= ersion before the connection id may be the way to go?

The benefit of the current approach where the connection ID directly fol= lows the flags is it's easy for load balancers to deal with. That being sa= id, if they're going to have to deal with an extended flags bit, the extra = complexity of dealing with a connection id that comes after the version may= not matter.

And I do think the MORE_FLAGS bit should be defined. The alternative wo= uld be to not use more than one flag byte until after version negotiation i= s complete, but that may be sub-optimal.

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In draft-iet= f-quic-http.md:

> +of specific values in the peer's SETT=
INGS frame. Depending on the stream where
+it is sent, it takes two different forms.
+
+On the connection control stream, it contains information about how and =
when the
+sender has processed the most recently-received SETTINGS frame, and has =
the
+following payload:
+
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
+    0                   1                   2                   3
+    0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
+   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+   |                      Highest Local Stream (32)                |
+   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+   |                      Highest Remote Stream (32)               |
+   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+   |                    Recognized Identifiers (*)               ...

More relevant on #= 80.=C2=A0 I'm indifferent on that point -- just that it's useful to h= ave a yes/no for each entry after processing the ACK.

If we want to be as compact as possible, we could even do a bitmap of = the identifiers and mark them understood/not-understood. =C2=A0That requi= res a little more state at the sender of the SETTINGS frame to recall the= order, but not much.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> -here that need to be solved.
-
+recipient MUST immediately emit the following:
+
+ - On the connection control stream, a SETTINGS_ACK frame listing the 
+   identifiers whose values were understood and applied. (If none of the values 
+   were understood, the SETTINGS_ACK frame will be empty, but MUST still be
+   sent.) 
+
+ - On each request control stream which is not in the "half-closed (local)" or
+   "closed" state, an empty SETTINGS_ACK frame.
+
+The SETTINGS_ACK frame on the connection control stream contains the highest
+stream number which was open at the time the SETTINGS frame was received.  All
+streams with higher numbers can safely be assumed to have the new settings in
+effect when they open.

I think that you have it. Thanks for walking through it with me. The sequential thing definitely needs work. "Sequential" just means in order, which doesn't correspond to a mandate to use every number.

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----==_mimepart_5851d1206ee24_411c3fdcc1e7d140517db-- From nobody Wed Dec 14 15:11:35 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E75B129BF7 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2016 15:11:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.915 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.915 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.896, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 35b8oJTK2pCO for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2016 15:11:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA697129BF2 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2016 15:11:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=RGjqi/HwMAHilTrtA+H6M4Enh5I=; b=CCOSNgjIOhV5YEkq BZlKOfxr1OBBVnLWGOEISxCLFucZlBOFteG7cQWNlytANLYZwT6T95PU1R2AhB33 lNifsz5TqVsjwry0gh+kR31IOkzu+jiNPG+Qwz78l3dvmC8vHlrupeH/6oWmhA2h 0G9i25LxqTC3VFtDk6irR6DEhBA= Received: by filter0469p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0469p1mdw1-27362-5851D173-3C 2016-12-14 23:10:43.955687577 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id Ju_Xe2mnRvWDYKJ9KHFLbA for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2016 23:10:43.796 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 15:10:43 -0800 From: Martin Thomson To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Possible SETTINGS_ACK proposal (#84) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5851d173aac5e_1d0b3fa5cc0a113821524b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2wi+VMGPzVZzlmCbkFfHo1ZSNv9bQNNJBsaJ SSF2BrVNS5uOW0p9cEN4GCDXCn9e85MQJgtG8tOyXLlypRlkreyKjEFI2NBJwkk1x5bMdT5LItmJhx SN83UuCriapqP1DsqXGrXguw4Anw3TgAQLUbd1Faeg5o/iSHvDWlF++cWfrQJ2o3wCAVCP6pDCvIQH U= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 23:11:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5851d173aac5e_1d0b3fa5cc0a113821524b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > +of specific values in the peer's SETTINGS frame. Depending on the stream where +it is sent, it takes two different forms. + +On the connection control stream, it contains information about how and when the +sender has processed the most recently-received SETTINGS frame, and has the +following payload: + +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ + 0 1 2 3 + 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 + +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ + | Highest Local Stream (32) | + +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ + | Highest Remote Stream (32) | + +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ + | Recognized Identifiers (*) ... The efficiency I'm looking for is in processing and understanding. An endpoint that receives a negative list can more easily mark those settings as "do not try again". As you say, a bit vector is the most compact, but given the relative frequency of settings changes, I'm not interested in optimizing that much. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/84 ----==_mimepart_5851d173aac5e_1d0b3fa5cc0a113821524b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +of specific values in the peer's SETTINGS frame. Depending on the stream where
+it is sent, it takes two different forms.
+
+On the connection control stream, it contains information about how and when the
+sender has processed the most recently-received SETTINGS frame, and has the
+following payload:
+
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
+    0                   1                   2                   3
+    0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
+   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+   |                      Highest Local Stream (32)                |
+   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+   |                      Highest Remote Stream (32)               |
+   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+   |                    Recognized Identifiers (*)               ...

The efficiency I'm looking for is in processing and understanding. An endpoint that receives a negative list can more easily mark those settings as "do not try again". As you say, a bit vector is the most compact, but given the relative frequency of settings changes, I'm not interested in optimizing that much.

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We need to remind ourselves of the goal here. The goal is to ensure tha= t a new version of this protocol - really any other protocol, because nothi= ng says that you have to do QUIC or HTTP in the future - can be deployed al= ongside the version of the protocol that we define, probably on the same se= rver address and port.

QUIC relies on out-of-band configuration. For the HTTP usage, we assume= that clients are going to try h2 first. It could be that we decide that c= ompatibility is a mugs game and that the Alt-Svc announcement will need to = pick a new port number in order to use a new version.

To be clear, I think that's unlikely. For one, I imagine that Google wa= nt to continue to use port 443 when they deploy the standardized protocol. = Having a migration path that retains the same port number is a smoother up= grade path. The same arguments for moving to standard-QUIC from Google-QUI= C likely apply to leaving standard-QUIC for the next thing.

From what I understand, the initial packets on a flow need to include co= nnection ID always. The initial packets on a connection require the versio= n. That fixes the initial header pretty well. I would suggest that after = confirming that the protocol is understood by the other side, almost anythi= ng is possible.

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One suggestion here: the version number space could be defined such that= the version number field appears as the first 32 bits of the packet if pre= sent; i.e. a valid version number & 0x01000000 =3D=3D 0x01000000, such = that the first N bits of the packet either look like:

+-------------+-+-----------------------------------------------=
-+
|             |1|      version                                   |
+-------------+-+------------------------------------------------+
| flags       |1|
+-------------+-+ ...

or

+-------------+-+
|   flags     |0|
+-------------+-+ ...
               ^-- version flag

(The current multi-varlen layout of the wire image still seems to me to = be unnecessarily fiddly, but that's a larger issue that will receive a sepa= rate post to quic@)

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +of specific values in the peer's SETTINGS frame. Depending on the stream where
+it is sent, it takes two different forms.
+
+On the connection control stream, it contains information about how and when the
+sender has processed the most recently-received SETTINGS frame, and has the
+following payload:
+
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
+    0                   1                   2                   3
+    0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
+   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+   |                      Highest Local Stream (32)                |
+   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+   |                      Highest Remote Stream (32)               |
+   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+   |                    Recognized Identifiers (*)               ...

My initial thought here was that creating a mechanism to trigger the echo of arbitrary identifiers was a potential security threat, but as the attacker has to send at least 32 bits per desired 16-bit echo, there's no amplification issue here. A negative list should work -- I'll make the change.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> -here that need to be solved.
-
+recipient MUST immediately emit the following:
+
+ - On the connection control stream, a SETTINGS_ACK frame listing the 
+   identifiers whose values were understood and applied. (If none of the values 
+   were understood, the SETTINGS_ACK frame will be empty, but MUST still be
+   sent.) 
+
+ - On each request control stream which is not in the "half-closed (local)" or
+   "closed" state, an empty SETTINGS_ACK frame.
+
+The SETTINGS_ACK frame on the connection control stream contains the highest
+stream number which was open at the time the SETTINGS frame was received.  All
+streams with higher numbers can safely be assumed to have the new settings in
+effect when they open.

Added some text to the Stream Usage section explicitly requiring no stream-skipping, just to be thorough.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mcmanus approved this pull request. I think this is definitely a positive change.. included a few minor comments for consideration. > @@ -437,16 +437,76 @@ Frame type 0x3 is reserved. ### SETTINGS {#frame-settings} -The SETTINGS frame (type=0x04) is unmodified from {{!RFC7540}} (so far). It MUST -only be sent on the connection control stream (Stream 3). +The SETTINGS frame (type=0x4) conveys configuration parameters that affect how +endpoints communicate, such as preferences and constraints on peer behavior, and +is substantially different from {{!RFC7540}}. Individually, a SETTINGS parameter +can also be referred to as a "setting". + +SETTINGS parameters are not negotiated; they describe characteristics of the +sending peer, which are used by the receiving peer. However, a negotiation can s/are/may be/ > @@ -437,16 +437,76 @@ Frame type 0x3 is reserved. ### SETTINGS {#frame-settings} -The SETTINGS frame (type=0x04) is unmodified from {{!RFC7540}} (so far). It MUST -only be sent on the connection control stream (Stream 3). +The SETTINGS frame (type=0x4) conveys configuration parameters that affect how +endpoints communicate, such as preferences and constraints on peer behavior, and +is substantially different from {{!RFC7540}}. Individually, a SETTINGS parameter +can also be referred to as a "setting". + +SETTINGS parameters are not negotiated; they describe characteristics of the +sending peer, which are used by the receiving peer. However, a negotiation can +be implied by the use of SETTINGS -- a peer uses SETTINGS to advertise a set of +supported values. The recipient can then choose which entries from this list are +also acceptable and proceed with the value it has chosen. (This choice could be +announced in a field of an extension frame, or in a value in SETTINGS.) s/in/in its own/ > @@ -455,13 +515,13 @@ superseded by QUIC transport parameters in HTTP-over-QUIC. Below is a listing of how each HTTP/2 SETTINGS parameter is mapped: SETTINGS_HEADER_TABLE_SIZE: - : Sent in SETTINGS frame. + : An integer with a maximum value of 2^32 - 1. now that these are variable length does it need a max size? We can merge extended settings and talk about that as a different issue too > +Once all values have been processed, if the REQUEST_ACK flag was set, the +recipient MUST immediately emit a SETTINGS_ACK frame listing the identifiers "immediately" has such a real time feel to it - while the requirement is really about ordering of when the new settings can have an impact on the semantics of future I/O.. it should probably be written like that -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/80#pullrequestreview-13226636 ----==_mimepart_58530f8fd5119_1fb583f915a6291401139e4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@mcmanus approved this pull request.

I think this is definitely a positive change.. included a few minor comments for consideration.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -437,16 +437,76 @@ Frame type 0x3 is reserved.
 
 ### SETTINGS {#frame-settings}
 
-The SETTINGS frame (type=0x04) is unmodified from {{!RFC7540}} (so far). It MUST 
-only be sent on the connection control stream (Stream 3). 
+The SETTINGS frame (type=0x4) conveys configuration parameters that affect how 
+endpoints communicate, such as preferences and constraints on peer behavior, and 
+is substantially different from {{!RFC7540}}. Individually, a SETTINGS parameter 
+can also be referred to as a "setting". 
+
+SETTINGS parameters are not negotiated; they describe characteristics of the 
+sending peer, which are used by the receiving peer. However, a negotiation can

s/are/may be/

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -437,16 +437,76 @@ Frame type 0x3 is reserved.
 
 ### SETTINGS {#frame-settings}
 
-The SETTINGS frame (type=0x04) is unmodified from {{!RFC7540}} (so far). It MUST 
-only be sent on the connection control stream (Stream 3). 
+The SETTINGS frame (type=0x4) conveys configuration parameters that affect how 
+endpoints communicate, such as preferences and constraints on peer behavior, and 
+is substantially different from {{!RFC7540}}. Individually, a SETTINGS parameter 
+can also be referred to as a "setting". 
+
+SETTINGS parameters are not negotiated; they describe characteristics of the 
+sending peer, which are used by the receiving peer. However, a negotiation can 
+be implied by the use of SETTINGS -- a peer uses SETTINGS to advertise a set of 
+supported values. The recipient can then choose which entries from this list are 
+also acceptable and proceed with the value it has chosen. (This choice could be 
+announced in a field of an extension frame, or in a value in SETTINGS.)

s/in/in its own/

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -455,13 +515,13 @@ superseded by QUIC transport parameters in HTTP-over-QUIC. Below is a listing of
 how each HTTP/2 SETTINGS parameter is mapped: 
 
   SETTINGS_HEADER_TABLE_SIZE:
-  : Sent in SETTINGS frame.
+  : An integer with a maximum value of 2^32 - 1.

now that these are variable length does it need a max size? We can merge extended settings and talk about that as a different issue too

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
+Once all values have been processed, if the REQUEST_ACK flag was set, the 
+recipient MUST immediately emit a SETTINGS_ACK frame listing the identifiers

"immediately" has such a real time feel to it - while the requirement is really about ordering of when the new settings can have an impact on the semantics of future I/O.. it should probably be written like that

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Below is a listing of how each HTTP/2 SETTINGS parameter is mapped: SETTINGS_HEADER_TABLE_SIZE: - : Sent in SETTINGS frame. + : An integer with a maximum value of 2^32 - 1. Well, I think that's already a ridiculous size for a header table (64KB should be enough for anyone!), but I defined it that way mostly to retain parity with HTTP/2. For existing settings which are defined as integers already, might as well keep the same valid range where reasonable. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/80 ----==_mimepart_585317b97be99_33fa3f916ee0d1402139ad Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -455,13 +515,13 @@ superseded by QUIC transport parameters in HTTP-over-QUIC. Below is a listing of
 how each HTTP/2 SETTINGS parameter is mapped: 
 
   SETTINGS_HEADER_TABLE_SIZE:
-  : Sent in SETTINGS frame.
+  : An integer with a maximum value of 2^32 - 1.

Well, I think that's already a ridiculous size for a header table (64KB should be enough for anyone!), but I defined it that way mostly to retain parity with HTTP/2. For existing settings which are defined as integers already, might as well keep the same valid range where reasonable.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi @MikeBishop, In the QUIC advertisement section of the HTTP mapping document introduces two terms: * the ALPN identifier `quic` * the Alt-Svc parameter `v` Are these to be defined as part of the mapping document? 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Hi @MikeBishop,

In the QUIC advertisement section of the HTTP mapping document introduces two terms:

  • the ALPN identifier quic
  • the Alt-Svc parameter v

Are these to be defined as part of the mapping document? If so, they should be registered in line with the policies set out in RFC 7301 or RFC 7838 respectively.

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Yes, we'll need to sort this out; they're currently both absent from t= he IANA section. I haven't changed the original text, and I know it need= s some work yet.

The ALPN identifier probably needs to change, not just be registered. = @mar= tinthomson and I need to sort this out around #13, because HTTP/QUIC isn't the only = "quic" there will be. We also need to incorporate some draft-version neg= otiation as part of that, as HTTP/2 did (and TLS 1.3 is doing, I believe)= , so that implementations can negotiate appropriate versions / fail clean= ly.

Let's use this issue to track those work items -- thanks for filing it= !

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The ALPN identifier probably needs to change, not just be registered. @martinth= omson and I need to sort this out around #13, because HTTP/QUIC isn't the only "quic" there = will be. We also need to incorporate some draft-version negotiation as part= of that, as HTTP/2 did (and TLS 1.3 is doing, I believe), so that implemen= tations can negotiate appropriate versions / fail cleanly.

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I guess if you see the versio= n number also as some kind of magic number (and apply some care in selectin= g your version number to not use a bit pattern that is already used by a di= fferent protocol over udp), you would get some additional confidence that y= ou actually look at a quic packet. Not sure if that is worth is or if this = is a good idea at all but might at least be worth thinking about it. > Am 14.12.2016 um 15:56 schrieb ianswett : >=20 > Yes, clearly the version bit must not change. And I think it's fine to al= ways have the client use a 64 bit connection id until negotiated, but I thi= nk there were a few folks interested in suggesting 128 bit connection ids f= or future connections. If that becomes a requirement, then putting the vers= ion before the connection id may be the way to go? >=20 > The benefit of the current approach where the connection ID directly foll= ows the flags is it's easy for load balancers to deal with. That being said= , if they're going to have to deal with an extended flags bit, the extra co= mplexity of dealing with a connection id that comes after the version may n= ot matter. >=20 > And I do think the MORE_FLAGS bit should be defined. The alternative woul= d be to not use more than one flag byte until after version negotiation is = complete, but that may be sub-optimal. >=20 > =E2=80=94 > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or mute the thread. >=20 --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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> Am 14.12.2016 um 15:56 schrieb ianswett <notifications@github.com&g= t;:
>
> Yes, clearly the version bit must not change. And I think it's fin= e to always have the client use a 64 bit connection id until negotiated, bu= t I think there were a few folks interested in suggesting 128 bit connectio= n ids for future connections. If that becomes a requirement, then putting t= he version before the connection id may be the way to go?
>
> The benefit of the current approach where the connection ID directly f= ollows the flags is it's easy for load balancers to deal with. That bei= ng said, if they're going to have to deal with an extended flags bit, t= he extra complexity of dealing with a connection id that comes after the ve= rsion may not matter.
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> And I do think the MORE_FLAGS bit should be defined. The alternative w= ould be to not use more than one flag byte until after version negotiation = is complete, but that may be sub-optimal.
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Fri, 16 Dec 2016 22:57:24 -0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 14:57:23 -0800 From: Mike Bishop To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <58547153f2bd8_45413fba1593113844021@hookshot-fe6-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] f324fd: Alt-Svc text -- starts to address #87 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_58547153f2736_45413fba159311384395d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mike Bishop List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 22:57:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58547153f2736_45413fba159311384395d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/alpn-alt-svc Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: f324fd9b15408e3c6e74fba44448e6089aecde9a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f324fd9b15408e3c6e74fba44448e6089aecde9a Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2016-12-16 (Fri, 16 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Alt-Svc text -- starts to address #87 ----==_mimepart_58547153f2736_45413fba159311384395d-- From nobody Fri Dec 16 15:19:21 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FD84129473 for ; 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A fair bit of your text about how TLS and QUIC interface belongs in the core spec, because it's true of how *any* crypto protocol is expected to interface with QUIC. But I'm not seeing HTTP-specific information in the TLS document -- did you already fix this, or do we actually disagree here? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/13#issuecomment-267719692 ----==_mimepart_5854767430e4e_2fff3fbd53d0f138156068 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Trivial change, but not my doc. Table gives bits as "01NTLLMM" while frame definition gives them as "01N**U**LLMM". Since the bit is "Unused," I assume that 'U' is correct? You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/88 -- Commit Summary -- * Reconcile flag bits in frame type table -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (2) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/88.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/88.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/88 ----==_mimepart_5854902adaa0a_20723f9967a7b13462512 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Trivial change, but not my doc. Table gives bits as "01NTLLMM" while frame definition gives them as "01NULLMM". Since the bit is "Unused," I assume that 'U' is correct?

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The mail below was from me. Mirja (K=C3= =BChlewind)) > Am 16.12.2016 um 22:32 schrieb QUIC WG Issues Account : >=20 > Just one additional thought: If you use the connection id for load balanc= ing I assume you use the port number as an indication that you actually loo= k at a quic packet that is encapsulated in UDP. I guess if you see the vers= ion number also as some kind of magic number (and apply some care in select= ing your version number to not use a bit pattern that is already used by a = different protocol over udp), you would get some additional confidence that= you actually look at a quic packet. Not sure if that is worth is or if thi= s is a good idea at all but might at least be worth thinking about it. >=20 >=20 >> Am 14.12.2016 um 15:56 schrieb ianswett : >>=20 >> Yes, clearly the version bit must not change. And I think it's fine to a= lways have the client use a 64 bit connection id until negotiated, but I th= ink there were a few folks interested in suggesting 128 bit connection ids = for future connections. If that becomes a requirement, then putting the ver= sion before the connection id may be the way to go? >>=20 >> The benefit of the current approach where the connection ID directly fol= lows the flags is it's easy for load balancers to deal with. That being sai= d, if they're going to have to deal with an extended flags bit, the extra c= omplexity of dealing with a connection id that comes after the version may = not matter. >>=20 >> And I do think the MORE_FLAGS bit should be defined. The alternative wou= ld be to not use more than one flag byte until after version negotiation is= complete, but that may be sub-optimal. >>=20 >> =E2=80=94 >> You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. >> Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or mute the thread. >>=20 >=20 > =E2=80=94 > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or mute the thread. >=20 --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/55#issuecomment-267773485= ----==_mimepart_58556e58af61f_23c3fbc0e84913015658 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (I just saw that when I simply reply directly to an email it doesn=E2=80=99= t show my email-address as sender. The mail below was from me. Mirja (K=C3= =BChlewind))

> Am 16.12.2016 um 22:32 schrieb QUIC WG Issues Account <notification= s@github.com>:
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> Just one additional thought: If you use the connection id for load bal= ancing I assume you use the port number as an indication that you actually = look at a quic packet that is encapsulated in UDP. I guess if you see the v= ersion number also as some kind of magic number (and apply some care in sel= ecting your version number to not use a bit pattern that is already used by= a different protocol over udp), you would get some additional confidence t= hat you actually look at a quic packet. Not sure if that is worth is or if = this is a good idea at all but might at least be worth thinking about it. >
>
>> Am 14.12.2016 um 15:56 schrieb ianswett <notifications@github.c= om>:
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>> Yes, clearly the version bit must not change. And I think it's= fine to always have the client use a 64 bit connection id until negotiated= , but I think there were a few folks interested in suggesting 128 bit conne= ction ids for future connections. If that becomes a requirement, then putti= ng the version before the connection id may be the way to go?
>>
>> The benefit of the current approach where the connection ID direct= ly follows the flags is it's easy for load balancers to deal with. That= being said, if they're going to have to deal with an extended flags bi= t, the extra complexity of dealing with a connection id that comes after th= e version may not matter.
>>
>> And I do think the MORE_FLAGS bit should be defined. The alternati= ve would be to not use more than one flag byte until after version negotiat= ion is complete, but that may be sub-optimal.
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----==_mimepart_5855769492b9_4cc63f8712f97134537742-- From nobody Sat Dec 17 13:11:08 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB50129AC2 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2016 13:10:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.016 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.016 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ATp0wiQjs-ur for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2016 13:10:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from o5.sgmail.github.com (o5.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E3CC4129AC0 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2016 13:10:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=U297X1OF+VupojlesDimFq8JZzc=; b=MPrMiqNNP5to3SZ+ nToL2yHzbnAGablR9lhwTQ+QdBN16cjU6zHHuAJo+meiOhiMXV3rvPwkQiwOAIds ioBe4ypdEQgL5ZLdFBhQLm1Dd+fCMTrJ+UlOvkY5+nDVYYwRty2qBwW/YMlEr6fK 1nxz+Bw/88XAg7ZW5B1aEFrnX2g= Received: by filter0906p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0906p1mdw1-13843-5855A9CF-F 2016-12-17 21:10:39.31339965 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id U0CZkwEBTYyGiEIefdzMig for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2016 21:10:39.294 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 13:10:39 -0800 From: Mike Bishop To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QUIC advertisement description (#87) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5855a9cf29a6c_24083ff3f4721140144536"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3wcicV3JXHqXfE6dFWvhIaND8fVDjcUbNtTE jqagyPSXov4XndDlroqC6log4CiLMcUqVgu3rVhkgIwU9NXATSrhpufcBJ3bdgqjglQYgsIGIMZ9qG Gc+PBJVYEl8vjvdbGl3ne4J41xXl3ZKUX19408WeBAZyyez04GgFk1dzeSqMt8SGmbAoT+ReA+FU3+ c= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 21:10:57 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5855a9cf29a6c_24083ff3f4721140144536 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, thinking about this further, I'm wrong on (at least) one point above: Version negotiation adds an RTT to whatever TLS requires. So if the client guesses incorrectly, 1-RTT handshakes will take 2 RTTs to complete, because the TLS ClientHello can't be delivered successfully until client and server agree on the format. That means the first time worst case is 2 RTTs, and eliminating one of them is worthwhile. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/87#issuecomment-267787104 ----==_mimepart_5855a9cf29a6c_24083ff3f4721140144536 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Actually, thinking about this further, I'm wrong on (at least) one point= above: Version negotiation adds an RTT to whatever TLS requires. So if t= he client guesses incorrectly, 1-RTT handshakes will take 2 RTTs to complet= e, because the TLS ClientHello can't be delivered successfully until client= and server agree on the format.

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#87 covers improving the current use of ALPN and the Alt-Svc v= parameter for HTTP. However, I think this is something that QUIC needs to solve generically, so forking off a separate issue for that.

Here are the paths I see that we need to support:

  • Client to server, first time: This is inherently a 1-RTT handshake if the client guesses the version correctly; 2 RTTs if it's wrong. This incents clients to attempt the most widely-deployed version of QUIC rather than their highest version. Consequently, there needs to be a way for a conservative client to discover that a server supports a more advanced version.
  • Client to server, subsequent: The cached information should contain information about the server's supported versions so the client can come back with the same version as last time. The scenarios where one side has changed need consideration, though:
    • Client upgraded: Would require client to cache server's full set of supported versions and compare against the client's supported set at connect time, not just caching the selected version.
    • Server upgraded: The current mechanism offers no way for a client to discover that the server would have accepted a version it didn't initially offer, whether because the server didn't previously support it or the client is being conservative.

Ideally, I'd like to see these solved for QUIC independent of Alt-Svc -- there will be other users besides HTTP.

I think this could be solved by requiring the server to always send its Version Negotiation list in the crypto handshake, not just if a Version Negotiation packet was actually sent. Clients can discover when the server supports a newer version than they attempted, and either know what to offer next time or actively open a new connection with the new version in parallel.

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For #87 -- adds ALPN token guidelines and IANA registration. Also defines Alt-Svc v= parameter and adds registration for that.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

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Commit Summary

  • Alt-Svc text -- starts to address #87
  • Move ALPN considerations to Connection Establishment
  • Never, never, never be redundant or repetitive.
  • Merge branch 'master' into alpn-alt-svc

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----==_mimepart_5855b2fd18369_a1d3fdac74f11402576ab-- From nobody Sat Dec 17 14:04:24 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 394B5129AD0 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2016 14:04:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.416 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.416 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uYNSc61BGQMq for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2016 14:04:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CE67B129AD3 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2016 14:04:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=vu6T2Xz6MBf+jH4G3a1gBqN7WZo=; b=G3ZUhdylmcWXswgI 8ViR/EniBjpBSf7Q/3Q7j4bl7XrhMc/MJmflK50n9DZtS2V9OIeJmWiJsNZJJGDa 1E0dwMwyoG1Ay94Fc/giVTZNTMIhXh5XbXnEBWg8AQqvljKHEi81yXP9nnKxbPhs wIYu0pOtFjkFI1iiwyFKQYxjlPU= Received: by filter0844p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0844p1mdw1-2483-5855B662-8 2016-12-17 22:04:18.401595376 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id yeV_vF-DS7iw8uDV26TBJg for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2016 22:04:18.386 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 14:04:18 -0800 From: Mike Bishop To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] CONTINUATION/END_HEADERS-die-die-die? (#76) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5855b6623db70_3e5e3ff3f4721140345854"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3RajFlzm4sMXh/sryIkNPbnIzZJDjkLr7hm/ Ss6b79yj8J9vRAEvPeDdqokEDBc9SlGTn0G5RqVY+UdJPRd0SQglxof74wdbwDEjBBljsHfLTtPMId 1GnQoFVUM1BPMeQRxuYEtYaCFhkNGw5aL1xLxC9HR5GmtcYVBbpXYIS307HjbfBXrN91wCPIhjAiA0 w= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 22:04:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5855b6623db70_3e5e3ff3f4721140345854 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Related question: Repeated HEADERS with an END_HEADER_BLOCK flag, or keep CONTINUATION? IIRC, the reason we used CONTINUATION was because the subsequent blocks weren't allowed to contain the PRIORITY section which no longer exists. The counter being present only on the first block might argue for bringing back CONTINUATION, but I'm hopeful we can get rid of that before we ship the spec. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/76#issuecomment-267790104 ----==_mimepart_5855b6623db70_3e5e3ff3f4721140345854 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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(#76) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_585646c0ecb06_7eb83fc241493138266527"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 08:20:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_585646c0ecb06_7eb83fc241493138266527 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, the question is academic if the headers frame can be arbitrarily/sufficiently large. 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Well, the question is academic if the headers frame can be arbitrarily= /sufficiently large. I would rather not conclude until we decide that qu= estion and the QPACK issue as well. That suggests that we might want to = track that as a separate issue.

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As per recent TLS 1.3 update.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -232,7 +232,7 @@ A simplified TLS 1.3 handshake with 0-RTT application data is shown in
 
     ClientHello
    (0-RTT Application Data)
-   (end_of_early_data)        -------->
+   (EndOfEarlyData)          -------->

This goes with Finished in the second flight now which, handily, matches the QUIC version of the diagram below.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -232,7 +232,7 @@ A simplified TLS 1.3 handshake with 0-RTT application data is shown in
 
     ClientHello
    (0-RTT Application Data)
-   (end_of_early_data)        -------->
+   (EndOfEarlyData)          -------->

Ah yes, missed that. Fixed now.

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Mon, 19 Dec 2016 04:09:37 -0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 20:09:37 -0800 From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <58575d8173a0e_33ad3f887679313054714@hookshot-fe2-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] df5fc4: Shorten the abstract Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_58575d81735c4_33ad3f887679313054670"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 04:09:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58575d81735c4_33ad3f887679313054670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/short_abstract Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: df5fc44cb1880d8fc6578188f7ee129b0beb52ea https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/df5fc44cb1880d8fc6578188f7ee129b0beb52ea Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-12-19 (Mon, 19 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Shorten the abstract The abstract is a direct copy of the intro. We don't need to repeat ourselves. This just keeps the important information. 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An abstract doesn't need rationale and all the padding, it should just explain the purpose of the document. QUIC is conceptually very simple, let's capitalize on that. I wanted to fix the first sentence of the intro to avoid duplication, but it really is a concise, well-constructed intro. It could benefit from being split into smaller pieces though. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/92 -- Commit Summary -- * Shorten the abstract * Small digestible chunks -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (31) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/92.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/92.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/92 ----==_mimepart_58575e2decbac_2b7b3fe704e5f134551239 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The abstract was just a repetition of the introduction, which isn't really appropriate. An abstract doesn't need rationale and all the padding, it should just explain the purpose of the document. QUIC is conceptually very simple, let's capitalize on that.

I wanted to fix the first sentence of the intro to avoid duplication, but it really is a concise, well-constructed intro. It could benefit from being split into smaller pieces though.

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  • Small digestible chunks

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----==_mimepart_58575e2decbac_2b7b3fe704e5f134551239-- From nobody Mon Dec 19 06:22:15 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77B30129AD3 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2016 06:22:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.783 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.783 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y2ar4W6Jnrgg for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2016 06:22:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5D3C812940C for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2016 06:22:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=6jX7Fu74xbU703AN4GPAfSr601U=; b=Ovq7ngtnuLeATJKb gPO9mHLvjqPTEtRmYu8K1fcRWiUUG8UV5XUBCLDNYkx4kpQAe5FZRJpsyLR+YtlI Zm+lk3jlVLHvWZxiW8shwJnTzZDpdj6dhZ/sut3iXHWX1DcoNWHNkyZh/vT/w3bu rFDZ6mSo77kzkZ7DyhciVh49fJ0= Received: by filter0533p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0533p1mdw1-26036-5857ED0C-3 2016-12-19 14:22:04.060046878 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0006p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id Bj0sD4wIQ_yHjtBwN4PkmA for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2016 14:22:04.027 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 06:22:03 -0800 From: Lucas Pardue To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QUIC advertisement description (#87) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5857ed0be0b20_64113ffbc036b130107923"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2Chkz0uBI8/U6p/ZdsNquU7HGUaLxk+LczM7 M9odAZZlUAyfCD65IYSgrGvlfwx+VkmZy0weRNFN02e5UqV5FtLhPyENH+Wy97ZRa2nwJxuAyAiKQ0 0A02Et+vYn8Kk5hJvdc/h9dIw7bN0HINi9FEC0oN1Rf1uXMaboXp5cq6fW8DqAqVwiEprqsbvyiWXj c= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 14:22:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5857ed0be0b20_64113ffbc036b130107923 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree with your points here. The new text in #90 is looking pretty good and refreshed my memory about some of the discussions on how to utilise the version information bytes (address-space). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/87#issuecomment-267975301 ----==_mimepart_5857ed0be0b20_64113ffbc036b130107923 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I agree with your points here. The new text in #90 is looking pretty good and refreshed my memory about some of the discussions on how to utilise the version information bytes (address-space).

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No, intentional, though I'm borderline. QUIC doesn't actually requi= re the use of ALPN. QUIC requires that the crypto handshake, whatever= it might be, provide application-level protocol negotiation capabilities. = When using TLS 1.3 as the crypto protocol, ALPN is used to satisfy this re= quirement.

So while HTTP/QUIC specifies a token to be used, and registers it in= case you're using it with ALPN, a different crypto handshake could us= e a different negotiation protocol with a different registry and still work= with HTTP/QUIC. ALPN itself isn't a hard requirement to implement HTTP/QU= IC, which to me says non-normative.

But practically, we have no other crypto protocol currently defined and = we're strongly assuming the use ALPN, so it's... nearly normative.=

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Commit: f93c6002d8a1c800449af2fe2c031ca3115b7fd5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f93c6002d8a1c800449af2fe2c031ca3115b7fd5 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-12-19 (Mon, 19 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #91 from ghedo/eoed Make end of early data marker an handshake message Commit: c3f9620d5f7bb2e866657135d079418ef5acfde6 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c3f9620d5f7bb2e866657135d079418ef5acfde6 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-12-19 (Mon, 19 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Don't need advice on placement of EOED any more Commit: ed81d4ce13ec240b9559a12843e3edd497145154 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ed81d4ce13ec240b9559a12843e3edd497145154 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2016-12-20 (Tue, 20 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Use 'HTTP/QUIC' consistently Commit: bab7dd237f9e82ad4d22a488094956bfe0b7b810 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/bab7dd237f9e82ad4d22a488094956bfe0b7b810 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2016-12-20 (Tue, 20 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' into alpn-alt-svc Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/39f20905193c...bab7dd237f9e ----==_mimepart_5859757980e25_4c083f950961714010042d-- From nobody Tue Dec 20 14:57:17 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B6421294B0 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2016 14:57:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com; domainkeys=pass (1024-bit key) header.sender=michbish=microsoft.com@github.com header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RmmKmWRuVwDs for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2016 14:57:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from m71-131.mailgun.net (m71-131.mailgun.net [166.78.71.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49F50129406 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2016 14:57:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1482274634; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=Qs7VaSm6kgD+16SLLOVYgCzElD8Nrmsk9cUXESHqoRk=; b=cVsxq8JyctD0U3OqUEVjfvO0qtDi3SOXCNBGTHlCpJ7zNoE7XpStN7NppH8Zhr1yamTwhF+C 4dJpmGGni1vihAVze+/nuN5t0DitRaeJ4gpW15o6IB6ndk1Ismu0x2itAZDUgZ34ji5fxwPQ GUAtGJRe24K2ge5WiwuzS8YgGMY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=github.com; s=mailo; q=dns; h=Sender: Date: From: Reply-To: To: Message-ID: Subject: Mime-Version: Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=TR6CeCnMIbWQia0PC8CxiC8ZtasJO8ordLsW3/YNXRs0zuafhy/Av9NWJ7K6GU/wES4rpA l+/5/hzn9/INWNchQSSF50zmuTy5myNgXn/MxP+/zMvYO5TNz93eSa4oLl1JlyScEfoxbfqN +QOSJMtDzGvEGpvbIKYoFYFGPkYZk= Sender: michbish=microsoft.com@github.com X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.71.131 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.42]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 5859b749.7f0cd5070390-in02; Tue, 20 Dec 2016 22:57:13 -0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 14:57:13 -0800 From: Mike Bishop To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5859b74948687_76c43fdd3f42113c813f1@hookshot-fe-6dbb0c4.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 70c2b4: Add a change log section to each document. 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Until such an RFC exists, implementations MUST NOT identify themselves +using these strings. + +Implementations of draft versions of the protocol MUST add the string "-" and +the corresponding draft number to the identifier. For example, +draft-ietf-quic-http-01 is identified using the string "hq-01". + +Non-compatible experiments that are based on these draft versions MUST append +the string "-" and an experiment name to the identifier. For example, an +experimental implementation based on draft-ietf-quic-http-09 which reserves an +extra stream for unsolicited transmission of 1980s pop music might identify +itself as "hq-09-rickroll". Note that any label MUST conform to the "token" +syntax defined in Section 3.2.6 of [RFC7230]. Experimenters are encouraged to +coordinate their experiments on the ietf-quic-wg@w3.org mailing list. Should the mailing list be `quic@ietf.org`? 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@ghedo commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +
+Only implementations of the final, published RFC can identify themselves as 
+"hq". Until such an RFC exists, implementations MUST NOT identify themselves 
+using these strings. 
+
+Implementations of draft versions of the protocol MUST add the string "-" and 
+the corresponding draft number to the identifier. For example, 
+draft-ietf-quic-http-01 is identified using the string "hq-01". 
+
+Non-compatible experiments that are based on these draft versions MUST append 
+the string "-" and an experiment name to the identifier. For example, an 
+experimental implementation based on draft-ietf-quic-http-09 which reserves an 
+extra stream for unsolicited transmission of 1980s pop music might identify
+itself as "hq-09-rickroll". Note that any label MUST conform to the "token"
+syntax defined in Section 3.2.6 of [RFC7230]. Experimenters are encouraged to
+coordinate their experiments on the ietf-quic-wg@w3.org mailing list.

Should the mailing list be quic@ietf.org? The one listed above doesn't seem to exist https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-quic-wg/

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Adds a change log to each document. Doc editors, please fill in anything I missed -- just push to this branch.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +
+Only implementations of the final, published RFC can identify themselves as 
+"hq". Until such an RFC exists, implementations MUST NOT identify themselves 
+using these strings. 
+
+Implementations of draft versions of the protocol MUST add the string "-" and 
+the corresponding draft number to the identifier. For example, 
+draft-ietf-quic-http-01 is identified using the string "hq-01". 
+
+Non-compatible experiments that are based on these draft versions MUST append 
+the string "-" and an experiment name to the identifier. For example, an 
+experimental implementation based on draft-ietf-quic-http-09 which reserves an 
+extra stream for unsolicited transmission of 1980s pop music might identify
+itself as "hq-09-rickroll". Note that any label MUST conform to the "token"
+syntax defined in Section 3.2.6 of [RFC7230]. Experimenters are encouraged to
+coordinate their experiments on the ietf-quic-wg@w3.org mailing list.

Bah, yes. That's what I get for assuming mailing list norms stayed the same and copying text from the HTTP/2 spec.

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----==_mimepart_585a7bead040_24a3fc3ca313134213069-- From nobody Wed Dec 21 13:19:10 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1284F1295C4 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2016 13:19:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.12 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.12 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pJ5LRLUML7VO for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2016 13:19:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63C9F1295EE for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2016 13:19:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=AG9jxIpMzSJ6f5F68Lj//xyv5VA=; b=PcYXcfyFOr16OPZd FmMog9jix9ACQYlJfyGWyO0bEL2I3WSxU3VgiOklipbdNStFg59C75JjobaanhdW QxTSPKbDbm5AkKfXfBmVTsRIU9vx+JYiOmykZIPMEZpolzgeL3j//vzfWg0wBSlB Vx1UHkI+YzlEXT7gxA39q06lp5g= Received: by filter0363p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0363p1las1-3166-585AF1CA-3D 2016-12-21 21:19:06.798018428 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id NGaxqTvNQniaZAFqRQyHdg for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2016 21:19:06.750 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 13:19:06 -0800 From: martinduke To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] What can change in a different version (#55) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_585af1ca9a81f_1933fb051db513c11651e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: mention X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1+H7xYhQwi3nRGLrYCIBwPK/W9ev5NcyQ5Fp sC05dd+S8tqumABvuTGDt14JRxMgz85KClH/9P38MuWwBhVUEHaj/oPgV0li5DDTzkYKqPduHcIoJB 3UYAHSuWJkvH8ffEsyFmwEPonfPXk26H9AcdwgUnzj4JqNxOyK/nj42A7cvckE8bvtZTl6pQ3DKhzc w= Archived-At: Cc: QUIC WG Issues Account , Mention X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 21:19:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_585af1ca9a81f_1933fb051db513c11651e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So as I see it there are two extremes in the approach to this problem: 1) Minimum field consistency across versions. There must be exactly one flags byte, in which the VERSION bit's meaning and location cannot change. All other bits could, in theory, change. This byte must be followed by a 64-bit connection ID and the 32-bit version. If there are additional flag bytes, or additional bytes for the connection ID, they must appear after the version bytes. 2) More intuitively organized header fields. The VERSION and MORE_FLAGS bits must have their meaning and position unchanged, and all flags bytes are consecutive. If we want to preserve the ability to one day have conn ids > 64 bits, I believe it is necessary (in this approach) to move the version field ahead of the connection ID. **** Both of these approaches have their advantages, and it's possible to mix and match. But I believe these are the limits. On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Lars Eggert wrote: > Do you guys have that email reply stuff working for httpwg? > > =E2=80=94 > You are receiving this because you commented. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > , > or mute the thread > > . > --=20 You are receiving this because you were mentioned. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/55#issuecomment-268642523= ----==_mimepart_585af1ca9a81f_1933fb051db513c11651e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So as I see it there are two extremes in the approach to this problem:

1) Minimum field consistency across versions. There must be exactly one
flags byte, in which the VERSION bit's meaning and location cannot chan= ge.
All other bits could, in theory, change. This byte must be followed by a
64-bit connection ID and the 32-bit version.

If there are additional flag bytes, or additional bytes for the connection<= br> ID, they must appear after the version bytes.

2) More intuitively organized header fields. The VERSION and MORE_FLAGS
bits must have their meaning and position unchanged, and all flags bytes
are consecutive.

If we want to preserve the ability to one day have conn ids > 64 bits, I=
believe it is necessary (in this approach) to move the version field ahead<= br> of the connection ID.

****

Both of these approaches have their advantages, and it's possible to mi= x
and match. But I believe these are the limits.

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It's not necessary that we capture every change here. Just the important changes.

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Agreed. I'm in camp (2), though I'd go further: a given version number should be associated with a relatively small number of possible permutations of header field offsets and lengths.

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Guessing these were incorrectly parsed by some conversion routine?

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Initial thought: - Client does not close data stream after sending request - If server responds (on the message control stream) with success, the data stream is being relayed into a TCP connection by the server. Is there a QUIC-CONNECT? (Probably not, and almost certainly not in this document.) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/95 ----==_mimepart_585c5efbc9b70_10ec3f8ddcb11134171d3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Need discussion of how CONNECT works. Initial thought:

  • Client does not close data stream after sending request
  • If server responds (on the message control stream) with success, the data stream is being relayed into a TCP connection by the server.

Is there a QUIC-CONNECT? (Probably not, and almost certainly not in this document.)

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Breaks the error space into different regions (#74) for the different components and starts defining error codes in each document. (Note: I didn't move anything into the loss-detection document, because I don't know what belongs there versus core transport. Please help.)

Definitely need review and discussion here -- I may have deleted or moved error codes inappropriately. Feel free to make changes to this branch.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/96

Commit Summary

  • Fixing what appear to be mangled error code descriptions
  • Use definition list format for error codes.
  • Added error code ranges
  • Remove non-wire-facing and migration-specific error codes
  • Moving crypto errors into TLS document
  • Define HTTP-layer error codes in HTTP document

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Merged #94.

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Sorry Mike, but I'm taking the next week off. I'll get back to this in the new year.

In the meantime, would you mind including a summary of what you think the design principles need to be.

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For future reference, PRIORITY needs to move off-stream because changes aren't necessarily commutative. [A->B, A->C] produces a different result than [A->C, A->B], for a trivial example.

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The QUIC-TLS spec currently says that the server should select a protocol without regard to the current QUIC version, and MAY (not MUST?) do Version Negotiation if the selected protocol can't be carried by the current QUIC version. However, if the server does Version Negotiation, the client's ClientHello gets thrown away, and the client has to resend the ClientHello anyway.

I'd be more inclined to say that servers select application protocols compatible with the current version if it can. There are then two possibilities:

  • Client learns that server supports a newer version in the response. Then the client can try again (in parallel or in the future) over the newer version. Same RTTs to reach the new version/protocol, but able to exchange some data on the initial connection 1 RTT sooner.
  • Server supports no protocol compatible with the client's supported version, and triggers Version Negotiation anyway. Same RTTs to reach the new version/protocol.

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  • Add definition for ICSL

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Proposal on how to define the TLS extension for QUIC, and thereby fix up some of the version negotiation issues (#89, #97). Key changes: - TLS doc *does* define the QUIC extension, but it simply contains an opaque blob transported for whichever QUIC version is being used. - Parameters encoding is specified, and is more "TLS-y" than the current protocol -- an enum of possible parameters, carried as numbers rather than strings where appropriate, etc. Plenty of room to add additional parameters, but unrecognized parameters here will be fatal unless we add an explicit length. - Server's version list is always required in TLS extension, even if no Version Negotiation packet was sent. Client MAY open a new connection immediately if it discovers the server would have supported a newer version, and SHOULD use the newer version next time. - Server SHOULD pick an application protocol supported by the client's proposed version; Version Negotiation only if no overlap on the current version. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/99 -- Commit Summary -- * Add definition for ICSL * Changes to ALPN and version negotiation for #97 * Define the QUIC TLS Extension * Add version negotiation verification to QUIC-TLS extension -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (52) M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (72) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/99.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/99.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/99 ----==_mimepart_585d91961f110_5d3b3f7ebbec5134132a6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Proposal on how to define the TLS extension for QUIC, and thereby fix up some of the version negotiation issues (#89, #97).

Key changes:

  • TLS doc does define the QUIC extension, but it simply contains an opaque blob transported for whichever QUIC version is being used.
  • Parameters encoding is specified, and is more "TLS-y" than the current protocol -- an enum of possible parameters, carried as numbers rather than strings where appropriate, etc. Plenty of room to add additional parameters, but unrecognized parameters here will be fatal unless we add an explicit length.
  • Server's version list is always required in TLS extension, even if no Version Negotiation packet was sent. Client MAY open a new connection immediately if it discovers the server would have supported a newer version, and SHOULD use the newer version next time.
  • Server SHOULD pick an application protocol supported by the client's proposed version; Version Negotiation only if no overlap on the current version.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/99

Commit Summary

  • Add definition for ICSL
  • Changes to ALPN and version negotiation for #97
  • Define the QUIC TLS Extension
  • Add version negotiation verification to QUIC-TLS extension

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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_585d9406de53d_15de3fc504e9b13871245"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 21:15:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_585d9406de53d_15de3fc504e9b13871245 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 2b97e5ec6032b34fde154278bc26749097a4a2b7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2b97e5ec6032b34fde154278bc26749097a4a2b7 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2016-12-23 (Fri, 23 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Reflow 'Note to Readers' and a few other spots. ----==_mimepart_585d9406de53d_15de3fc504e9b13871245-- From nobody Fri Dec 23 13:21:00 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C4B3129532 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2016 13:20:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WT5eS6lQ7rD3 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2016 13:20:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C00E9129515 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2016 13:20:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 13:20:54 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1482528055; bh=pL6bq9krSd8bHqmL5CqkzUFRNMozN9kUD+Cjy9uPBqY=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=oJ5uk6VDySSDmoHZ6VGIEKY3xgcUTlskeaGWXnLg93/JRIT51ad32d8UvC/zJlvWG OvIPGVDxaS1i+gMxrsx7diTlQQpNyogAqgpohXEPeX6Wo8QrEAOVXE6ylP5SeHaZiw QGT0l97LcG9s9svjVNCO4UH4/aKygHsLRGeZCnq8= From: Mike Bishop To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QUIC advertisement description (#87) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_585d9536f1a80_5d103f7ebbec5134160554"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 21:20:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_585d9536f1a80_5d103f7ebbec5134160554 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've posted a PR for the transport/TLS layers (#99) that describes what I think the version negotiation model could look like to solve this. There may (for better or worse) still be some value in having the hint in Alt-Svc. If a client *is* able to reuse the 0-RTT context it got from TLS/TCP with QUIC+TLS, then having the correct version from the start is the key to first-time 0-RTT. If the 0-RTT context isn't portable (or isn't sufficient, e.g. the STK is missing), it still gets us mostly-guaranteed 1-RTT setup instead of 1-2 RTT, which is worth something. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/87#issuecomment-269046886 ----==_mimepart_585d9536f1a80_5d103f7ebbec5134160554 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I've posted a PR for the transport/TLS layers (#99) that describes what I think the ver= sion negotiation model could look like to solve this. There may (for bet= ter or worse) still be some value in having the hint in Alt-Svc.

If a client is able to reuse the 0-RTT context it got from TL= S/TCP with QUIC+TLS, then having the correct version from the start is th= e key to first-time 0-RTT. If the 0-RTT context isn't portable (or isn't= sufficient, e.g. the STK is missing), it still gets us mostly-guaranteed= 1-RTT setup instead of 1-2 RTT, which is worth something.

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Commit: 65143618ba7325e3e4a1c9813ba06256f4bef6c3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/65143618ba7325e3e4a1c9813ba06256f4bef6c3 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2016-12-23 (Fri, 23 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Added error code ranges Commit: b46df8cc696cc76aaf70b40e5b413524fc0419d2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b46df8cc696cc76aaf70b40e5b413524fc0419d2 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2016-12-23 (Fri, 23 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove non-wire-facing and migration-specific error codes Commit: 2dac0b37cae64fc349fa21a88cbfb20758a8d911 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2dac0b37cae64fc349fa21a88cbfb20758a8d911 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2016-12-23 (Fri, 23 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Moving crypto errors into TLS document Commit: f4e02590d0b1cd5cc44ddb8a8547d37a527ec588 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f4e02590d0b1cd5cc44ddb8a8547d37a527ec588 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2016-12-23 (Fri, 23 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Define HTTP-layer error codes in HTTP document Commit: d9bb52ffce5ead46fee103e4698d3612fbfe7ebe https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d9bb52ffce5ead46fee103e4698d3612fbfe7ebe Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2016-12-23 (Fri, 23 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Describing CONNECT method for #95 Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/78c029775ffd...d9bb52ffce5e ----==_mimepart_585d9af9a764c_72823fea3e85b13892227-- From nobody Fri Dec 23 13:51:12 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C50F129521 for ; 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Can be fixed up to correspond with whatever we decide to do there. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/100 -- Commit Summary -- * Describing CONNECT method for #95 -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (38) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/100.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/100.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/100 ----==_mimepart_585d9d8081ff7_30f83fdbc775b13c225379 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

For #95; uses HTTP_CONNECT_ERROR error code out of #96, but is otherwise independent. Can be fixed up to correspond with whatever we decide to do there.

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Thought I had responded, but I don't see it here. The basic principles I see are: - The "owner" of a stream (TLS or app-layer) can reset that stream, or the connection, at any point for a reason it provides to QUIC. QUIC will send this to the remote peer. - QUIC can itself reset any stream or the entire connection for a reason that it surfaces to the app-layer and the remote peer. - When a peer receives an error code in a RST_STREAM, GOAWAY, or CONNECTION_CLOSE, it needs: + A reasonable likelihood of figuring out what the error code means + A guarantee that it will *not* confuse the error code with some other error code. To achieve this, I think we need to allocate a portion of the error space to QUIC, crypto, and the app-layer. The remote knows the QUIC version, which implies the crypto protocol, and the application -- that means it can probably figure out what set of error codes to use for each region. If extensions define new error codes, they would want to do so within the appropriate registries to avoid collisions and thereby confusion. It's less clear whether congestion control / loss-detection should fall in the same bucket. Since the remote doesn't know what congestion control algorithm I'm using, it doesn't have the same view into what set of errors would be appropriate. I've currently allocated a chunk to it, but not moved any error codes. Likewise, there might be value in defining an experimental range, either as a separate universe or as a subset of each range. But then again, you could as easily have an experimental version of QUIC or the app-layer instead, which would have its own mappings and could define anything it wants. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Hm. Thought I had responded, but I don't see it here.

The basic principles I see are:

  • The "owner" of a stream (TLS or app-layer) can reset that stream, or = the connection, at any point for a reason it provides to QUIC. QUIC will= send this to the remote peer.
  • QUIC can itself reset any stream or the entire connection for a reaso= n that it surfaces to the app-layer and the remote peer.
  • When a peer receives an error code in a RST_STREAM, GOAWAY, or CONNEC= TION_CLOSE, it needs:
    • A reasonable likelihood of figuring out what the error code means
    • A guarantee that it will not confuse the error code with som= e other error code.

To achieve this, I think we need to allocate a portion of the error sp= ace to QUIC, crypto, and the app-layer. The remote knows the QUIC versio= n, which implies the crypto protocol, and the application -- that means i= t can probably figure out what set of error codes to use for each region.= If extensions define new error codes, they would want to do so within t= he appropriate registries to avoid collisions and thereby confusion.

It's less clear whether congestion control / loss-detection should fal= l in the same bucket. Since the remote doesn't know what congestion cont= rol algorithm I'm using, it doesn't have the same view into what set of e= rrors would be appropriate. I've currently allocated a chunk to it, but = not moved any error codes.

Likewise, there might be value in defining an experimental range, eith= er as a separate universe or as a subset of each range. But then again, = you could as easily have an experimental version of QUIC or the app-layer= instead, which would have its own mappings and could define anything it = wants.

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(#102) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5861a5dd395bc_8073fd13710f13823488d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0Ua1mksQZhpAZfRh48QBqiniVjEauLw86JWd qPP/0hU5w/hto2EewbcmsXlahnYe5wLvIqrQrCkBRvSG483PHDmgymkC0K7sDJPXogZeMnOunST+LK PPeSQkqBHjasErmQ/gvfbyyeSatk5hMS17C6slSZ6v4jcPu+L4bfqNMPTCOCO56S1oiWaS8Nnp4ZIQ w= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 23:21:05 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5861a5dd395bc_8073fd13710f13823488d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NumTimestamps is supposed to specify the "total number of pairs following, including the First Timestamp." If this is zero, presumably the Delta Largest Acked and First Timestamp fields are absent. If this is one, presumably these fields are present, but no others are. The *subsequent* fields then say they are repeated "Num Timestamps" times, which contradicts my logic above. I'm guessing this should actually be "Num Timestamps - 1" times? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/102 ----==_mimepart_5861a5dd395bc_8073fd13710f13823488d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

NumTimestamps is supposed to specify the "total number of pairs following, including the First Timestamp." If this is zero, presumably the Delta Largest Acked and First Timestamp fields are absent. If this is one, presumably these fields are present, but no others are.

The subsequent fields then say they are repeated "Num Timestamps" times, which contradicts my logic above. I'm guessing this should actually be "Num Timestamps - 1" times?

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We'll augment EKR's PR with a diagra= m later. - Converted the figure-of-a-table of frame types to an actual table, with r= eferences to each section. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/103 -- Commit Summary -- * Transport spec diagrams for #54 -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (613) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/103.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/103.diff --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/103 ----==_mimepart_5861b0c826132_f0e3fe2d712314018629e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Updates the transport spec diagrams to the format @larseggert requested. A fe= w related changes along the way that are hopefully uncontroversial:

  • Added a notation conventions section, =C3=A0 la RFC 5201, describing th= e things we're adding to RFC 2360 (including the ones borrowed from 5201).<= /li>
  • Shifted to using the term "payload" rather than "headers" and "body," s= ince those are never actually used in the descriptions of subsequent packet= s or frames. (Describing frame payloads rather than repeating the Type eac= h time simplifies the diagrams and makes them align more nicely.)
  • Totally removed the Diversification Nonce field, since that's option an= d dependent on a removed bit (in 32e9d5)
  • Removed most of the text and the diagram from the Public Reset, since t= hat depends on specs not in evidence (QUIC-Crypto) and I didn't want to do = a diagram of an obsolete packet format. We'll augment EKR's PR with a diag= ram later.
  • Converted the figure-of-a-table of frame types to an actual table, with= references to each section.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  h= ttps://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/103

Commit Summary

  • Transport spec diagrams for #54

File Changes

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Once data has been encrypted or sent to TCP, it must be sent even if higher-priority data has become available. If the QUIC transport layer has no notion of priority, HTTP may have to do the same on each stream. It might be preferable to provide the data for each stream into the transport as it becomes available, since the transport is already performing the framing functionality. This need not be a wire format change (HTTP can continue to communicate priority at its layer), but should perhaps be noted as a useful property of an implementation and part of the defined interface with the application layer. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/104 ----==_mimepart_5862ea80bff00_33db3fb5df77d13c438775 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The way HTTP/2 Priority is generally implemented is to keep a minimal amount in the TLS pipeline / TCP send buffer, retaining as much flexibility as possible to insert frames from high-priority streams ahead of those from lower-priority streams if they become available before the low-priority frames have been "committed". Once data has been encrypted or sent to TCP, it must be sent even if higher-priority data has become available.

If the QUIC transport layer has no notion of priority, HTTP may have to do the same on each stream. It might be preferable to provide the data for each stream into the transport as it becomes available, since the transport is already performing the framing functionality.

This need not be a wire format change (HTTP can continue to communicate priority at its layer), but should perhaps be noted as a useful property of an implementation and part of the defined interface with the application layer.

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----==_mimepart_5862ea80bff00_33db3fb5df77d13c438775-- From nobody Wed Dec 28 09:35:04 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C57B12962E for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2016 09:35:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.52 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.52 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6Z93PSVOlqJd for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2016 09:35:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext7.iad.github.net [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 73C46129634 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2016 09:35:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 09:35:00 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1482946500; bh=Tn2UkK7cBUBvQL+Y3jAXfT8FkCI+SklrKw4Kw7/6pIk=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ACEeeM1tUkTT9HyalLUYDZ4qE8kq5dQ94yYc1PeHnzFJ6LyRxRSVtYBK72///8bhQ nYGnarX42nC+630Zbgfwulstx6+x7KitFGdYbrgrunAfWi+cZoSiEoahAB+7bfAJv0 +ezYpd9zZ+mmn3QjAoQ+Hd0etfRW6D9gFLvzUriY= From: martinduke To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] What can change in a different version (#55) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5863f7c47bd09_5db83f83e526b13411834c0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: mention X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: QUIC WG Issues Account , Mention X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 17:35:03 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5863f7c47bd09_5db83f83e526b13411834c0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am in camp 2 as well, but I understand the counterarguments: some migration pain for existing deployed QUIC versions (which illustrates the= point, I think) and more complicated parsing by dumb middleboxes to find connection IDs. On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 6:14 AM, Brian Trammell wrote: > Agreed. I'm in camp (2), though I'd go further: a given version number > should be associated with a relatively small number of possible > permutations of header field offsets and lengths. > > =E2=80=94 > You are receiving this because you commented. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > , > or mute the thread > > . > -- = You are receiving this because you were mentioned. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/55#issuecomment-269511158= ----==_mimepart_5863f7c47bd09_5db83f83e526b13411834c0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am in camp 2 as well, but I understand the counterarguments: some
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Here is an alternate solution to he PMTUD section as discussed in Issue #64
#64

I think it is much cleaner and clearer about what to do. It assumes that ICMP black holes are not a huge problem in the internet, and that no one is using a UDP socket API that prevents them from stopping various noncompliant behaviors. I much prefer this version, although some may find it too restrictive.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/105

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  • Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

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----==_mimepart_586417fd88185_72a83f8473a2713c3019f4-- From nobody Wed Dec 28 11:54:11 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EB41129659 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2016 11:54:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IOXIPAlpashh for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2016 11:54:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D74B127A91 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2016 11:54:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 11:54:07 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1482954847; bh=dDseAsWxqr9PSRtbN/bBrIf/NsIFGBnkIunPiTEh9mA=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=1tlkL8Z5NjIIEeHg2tgPRK+3g6ArReED+0tIbOcDy4tJRsZDfSniSfUcVVytKh9mJ 953XnRIlMeLWg6heKm1j5Up8XJpxwkNZYLAFuWid50t1pg7OH9jKlRufmgf0S5ULkR Cfv6nVz0e+6htuzIf+Gzo2BOT8a9QpM1ZnA6amLA= From: martinduke To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (#106) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5864185f57ec8_40e73fbb92859138703317"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 19:54:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5864185f57ec8_40e73fbb92859138703317 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rewrote the PMTUD section as discussed in Issue #64: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/64 Because of concern about user-space implementations controlling kernel PMTU mechanisms, and interest in PLPMTUD as an alternative to tradition ICMP PMTUD, this is a thick web of different options, MUSTs and SHOULDs. In my truest heart I would like to sweep a lot of this away and do a MUST based on around the ICMP system, but though wordy this is more likely to please everyone. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/106 -- Commit Summary -- * Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (91) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/106.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/106.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/106 ----==_mimepart_5864185f57ec8_40e73fbb92859138703317 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Rewrote the PMTUD section as discussed in Issue #64:
#64

Because of concern about user-space implementations controlling kernel PMTU mechanisms, and interest in PLPMTUD as an alternative to tradition ICMP PMTUD, this is a thick web of different options, MUSTs and SHOULDs. In my truest heart I would like to sweep a lot of this away and do a MUST based on around the ICMP system, but though wordy this is more likely to please everyone.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/106

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I'm not sure if the PR pings people who are tracking this issue, but s= ubmitted two pull requests:
#105
#106

The first is my preferred version, which strongly recommends ICMP-base= d PMTU discovery. It makes somewhat bold assumptions about the real world= :

  • ICMP black holes are rare enough to be handled by a MAY if people wan= t to use PLPMTUD in addition to ICMP.
  • I personally tend to work in kernel space, but my quick glance at UDP= socket APIs suggest that it's not a very hard problem to modify normal D= F settings/ICMP handling in a user space implementation.
  • It strongly discourages a fixed, conservative PMTU. IMO it seems perv= erse to leave ~100 bytes on the table given all the complexity we're intr= oduced to save a handful of bytes in packet and frame headers.

The second PR trashes all those assumptions, and is a very permissive = (and wordy) spec that basically allows anything. It still adds a bunch of= SHOULDs that make ICMP-based discovery work better in a QUIC context. Th= is is the one piece where I feel strongly that QUIC's packetization secti= on should not just reference a bunch of MTU RFCs.

I am interested in feedback on one or both, in particular which PR is = a better basis for further editing.

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I think the spirit of QUIC so far has been "Be as efficient as possible;= if we break something, there's always TCP." In that vein, the first seems= more in keeping. On a purely technical basis, I don't have enough context= to opine.

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In draft-quic-ietf-recovery, packet_number is listed as a parameter. But it is not used in the pseudocode, is not sent on to SetLossDetectionAlarm(), and there is no obvious place that SetLossDetectionAlarm() would use it.

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----==_mimepart_5865a68ddecf9_1d123f96bdaab138222956-- From nobody Fri Dec 30 00:14:57 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECBEA1296C4 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2016 00:14:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.12 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.12 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YCRoOX9Zze8B for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2016 00:14:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9036B1296C1 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2016 00:14:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=Dejwyu/Mt0DW7Tipkm6gxlXQ3tM=; b=j15d01KmbgrAAtKg ZVUFTo3KHJksBM8bsuwNBlPuyWnxPULjpALV+UGEUT33wymZXYj4onKium4VSHce Y7u4cPYI+pTBgKFnLXLbznmp6eMUO94fAkPuoYzN2LQNNN+zuNKAFzFcUAQuF7tq wnkUQqZWMfGdci9iKI4VQJpjopI= Received: by filter0987p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0987p1mdw1-700-5866177C-16 2016-12-30 08:14:52.447393855 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id ic5QKpa2SBiwBUwmGOqsrg for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2016 08:14:52.386 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 00:14:52 -0800 From: Brian Trammell To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] What can change in a different version (#55) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5866177c4313b_37c13f916413d14087953c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: britram X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: mention X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0tF8hcr6Rv0RTNVXTWYZoje4SW/IahpO4Eeq MP+/0ihKjMYP/jjNXCc7wcfvKk7ieYXa9xyMyAy7WEH3ueMutKSgp2/5HkIkH2t9MRq+pIsXCVItGa s21oEVcyix2Plagf9B0/X8kalgTe1/W8713xSmSUuTx1hWBrzHPOecj30ewCV+hApef9VJYmDa1U/Q w= Archived-At: Cc: QUIC WG Issues Account , Mention X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 08:14:55 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5866177c4313b_37c13f916413d14087953c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On counterargument one: IMO the most important lesson to take from the transition from Cisco NetFlow version 9 to IPFIX (the latter was based on the former) is that the transition pain for existing deployments tends to be *greater* when the wire formats are more similar. "Break it once, then don't break it again" would have been much less painful than the "oh so that header diagram looks almost the same so I can safely ignore the rest of the text, there certainly aren't any subtle semantic differences to worry about there" transition that we got. On counterargument two: not sure I follow... is the argument here that we *want* it to be hard for middleboxes to "find" the connection ID? I personally think this counterargument perilously underestimates the human ingenuity (or, if you'd like a negative expression, "sheer unmitigated gall") of middlebox designers, as well as the flexibility of VHDL as a programming environment for expressing hardware packet inspection. We can force there to be a predictable processing cost for this information through an encoding, or by making the connection ID the answer to a puzzle, but doing this through random offsets simply increases middlebox designer annoyance while increasing the potential of hard-to-debug processing errors in middlebox implementations (i.e. operator annoyance) more. This is probably purely ideological: I just don't see the point of deciding to expose a thing, then making it pointlessly difficult to use. There *may* be a discussion to be had about encoding information exposed in the wire image as puzzle solutions, in order to make targeted diagnostic usage of these fields possible while making mass usage of them (e.g. for all QUIC flows crossing a network border) costly. However, if we select the set of things to expose properly, and design the semantics of connection ID properly, such mass usage would tend to be useless for nefarious purposes (tracking, surveillance) while still being useful for less nefarious purposes (proactive detection and/or localization of network performance issues). -- You are receiving this because you were mentioned. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/55#issuecomment-269744431 ----==_mimepart_5866177c4313b_37c13f916413d14087953c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On counterargument one: IMO the most important lesson to take from the t= ransition from Cisco NetFlow version 9 to IPFIX (the latter was based on th= e former) is that the transition pain for existing deployments tends to be = greater when the wire formats are more similar. "Break it once, th= en don't break it again" would have been much less painful than the "oh so = that header diagram looks almost the same so I can safely ignore the rest o= f the text, there certainly aren't any subtle semantic differences to worry= about there" transition that we got.

On counterargument two: not sure I follow... is the argument here that w= e want it to be hard for middleboxes to "find" the connection ID? = I personally think this counterargument perilously underestimates the human= ingenuity (or, if you'd like a negative expression, "sheer unmitigated gal= l") of middlebox designers, as well as the flexibility of VHDL as a program= ming environment for expressing hardware packet inspection. We can force th= ere to be a predictable processing cost for this information through an enc= oding, or by making the connection ID the answer to a puzzle, but doing thi= s through random offsets simply increases middlebox designer annoyance whil= e increasing the potential of hard-to-debug processing errors in middlebox = implementations (i.e. operator annoyance) more.

This is probably purely ideological: I just don't see the point of decid= ing to expose a thing, then making it pointlessly difficult to use. There <= em>may be a discussion to be had about encoding information exposed in= the wire image as puzzle solutions, in order to make targeted diagnostic u= sage of these fields possible while making mass usage of them (e.g. for all= QUIC flows crossing a network border) costly. However, if we select the se= t of things to expose properly, and design the semantics of connection ID p= roperly, such mass usage would tend to be useless for nefarious purposes (t= racking, surveillance) while still being useful for less nefarious purposes= (proactive detection and/or localization of network performance issues).

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I > personally think this counterargument perilously underestimates the hum= an > ingenuity (or, if you'd like a negative expression, "sheer unmitigated > gall") of middlebox designers, as well as the flexibility of VHDL as a > programming environment for expressing hardware packet inspection. We c= an > force there to be a predictable processing cost for this information > through an encoding, or by making the connection ID the answer to a puz= zle, > but doing this through random offsets simply increases middlebox design= er > annoyance while increasing the potential of hard-to-debug processing er= rors > in middlebox implementations (i.e. operator annoyance) more. > I must not have been clear. The point is that option (1) means that the connection ID (if 64 bits) is exactly one byte after the start of the UDP= payload. This is very simple. Option (2) means that middleboxes would hav= e to interpret the VERSION bit and the MORE_FLAGS bit to figure out how man= y bytes of offset for the connection ID. It's a bit more complicated, and a= deviation for middleboxes that are already out there parsing QUIC in exactly that way out there. Again, I also favor (2), but for some reason I'm here making the counterargument. > This is probably purely ideological: I just don't see the point of > deciding to expose a thing, then making it pointlessly difficult to use= . > There *may* be a discussion to be had about encoding information expose= d > in the wire image as puzzle solutions, in order to make targeted diagno= stic > usage of these fields possible while making mass usage of them (e.g. fo= r > all QUIC flows crossing a network border) costly. However, if we select= the > set of things to expose properly, and design the semantics of connectio= n ID > properly, such mass usage would tend to be useless for nefarious purpos= es > (tracking, surveillance) while still being useful for less nefarious > purposes (proactive detection and/or localization of network performanc= e > issues). > > =E2=80=94 > You are receiving this because you commented. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > , > or mute the thread > > . > -- = You are receiving this because you were mentioned. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/55#issuecomment-269849716= ----==_mimepart_58673c025bdae_525b3f8a0b7b7134102550 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >
> On counterargument two: not sure I follow... is the argument here th= at we
> *want* it to be hard for middleboxes to "find" the connect= ion ID? I
> personally think this counterargument perilously underestimates the = human
> ingenuity (or, if you'd like a negative expression, "sheer = unmitigated
> gall") of middlebox designers, as well as the flexibility of VH= DL as a
> programming environment for expressing hardware packet inspection. W= e can
> force there to be a predictable processing cost for this information=
> through an encoding, or by making the connection ID the answer to a = puzzle,
> but doing this through random offsets simply increases middlebox des= igner
> annoyance while increasing the potential of hard-to-debug processing= errors
> in middlebox implementations (i.e. operator annoyance) more.
>

I must not have been clear. The point is that option (1) means that the connection ID (if 64 bits) is exactly one byte after the start of the UDP=
payload. This is very simple. Option (2) means that middleboxes would hav= e
to interpret the VERSION bit and the MORE_FLAGS bit to figure out how man= y
bytes of offset for the connection ID. It's a bit more complicated, a= nd a
deviation for middleboxes that are already out there parsing QUIC in
exactly that way out there.

Again, I also favor (2), but for some reason I'm here making the
counterargument.


> This is probably purely ideological: I just don't see the point = of
> deciding to expose a thing, then making it pointlessly difficult to = use.
> There *may* be a discussion to be had about encoding information exp= osed
> in the wire image as puzzle solutions, in order to make targeted dia= gnostic
> usage of these fields possible while making mass usage of them (e.g.= for
> all QUIC flows crossing a network border) costly. However, if we sel= ect the
> set of things to expose properly, and design the semantics of connec= tion ID
> properly, such mass usage would tend to be useless for nefarious pur= poses
> (tracking, surveillance) while still being useful for less nefarious=
> purposes (proactive detection and/or localization of network perform= ance
> issues).
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>
> Right, what I had in mind was completing the handshake, then sending o= ut a
> RFC 4821 style PMTUD packet and if an ICMP message comes back, try tha= t
> size one more time to see if it gets through. If the original probe go= t
> through, even though an ICMP message was received, then QUIC should ig= nore
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Because there is no retransmission ambiguity, there is no need to try the larger size again. If the ack comes back for the original packet, than the<= br> ICMP message is spurious.

I probably should have put this consideration in the pull request.

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