From nobody Mon Apr 2 02:30:22 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 132B0127286 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2018 02:30:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zJ3TY8j5wziB for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2018 02:30:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A703127337 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2018 02:30:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2018 02:30:18 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1522661418; bh=SbrbKKSRIZ2aXq9hsZ5sosCfqe1l5LRS/Br5Ti1Fh1g=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=taj78e+C/NJX/e6zLhulfQMzwgWHV3Kbsc3SMSMmQcFkgA5uIUfcoW45C8bCG/Ahm AFs4JmyW1xX1fkYFDI6UvO5eiD9cCjHuN6dnthemt549l02QI80BpQLTO2FYt5TWax UM8UxaAu4hJJJw/uNQ6cOrzfBWTp0qA5RFLLfT9c= From: Tatsuhiro Tsujikawa Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Gratuitous change of QHKDF-Expand in draft 10 (#1255) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ac1f82aac089_216f3fdbd580cf281559819"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: tatsuhiro-t X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2018 09:30:21 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ac1f82aac089_216f3fdbd580cf281559819 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OpenSSL is not affected by this. It is just a label. Is this TLS implementation specific? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1255#issuecomment-377894009 ----==_mimepart_5ac1f82aac089_216f3fdbd580cf281559819 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

OpenSSL is not affected by this. It is just a label. Is this TLS implementation specific?

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The intent, as I understand it, was 3 packets out for every 1 in. Is that the understanding?

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Martin's correct, that was the intent.

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----==_mimepart_5ac2104ab11f0_7e612b023fb94ecc2367b4-- From nobody Mon Apr 2 06:36:59 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBF6512783A for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2018 06:36:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.465 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.465 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xw5uoE7LuMCW for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2018 06:36:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49CA6126FB3 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2018 06:36:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2018 06:36:55 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1522676215; bh=93HqexYzyqZDj1XyFFCXqN64k6MDk/15jemQoAgqrG0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=aDm2lFP1QQgLbmovuGXCPF0jesr96YrcLmfTTQck6Q+Ucz9c+CxIWkc7jOZtCR5kn ebRXpe/pA7DM/I6G2HLxM/V8fXocwkw3k4cu1U6maQVhtyMH1cS0k7B8IkAmMQVjy9 eMfLYz/RkTJoF90FeoEpI4cJkc5OiKmgm9jThho4= From: Tatsuhiro Tsujikawa Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] How to recover from loss of 3 Handshake packets without receiving PATH_RESPONSE (#1257) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ac231f786ed1_59222b1aa20aaec81333c0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: tatsuhiro-t X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2018 13:36:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ac231f786ed1_59222b1aa20aaec81333c0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think it would be nice to clarify this by explicitly saying that it is per received packet. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1257#issuecomment-377930567 ----==_mimepart_5ac231f786ed1_59222b1aa20aaec81333c0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think it would be nice to clarify this by explicitly saying that it is per received packet.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1791,6 +1811,64 @@ number. "packet_number_secret" is derived from the TLS key exchange,
 as described in Section 5.6 of {{QUIC-TLS}}.
 
 
+## Server Connection Migration {#migration-server}

I think the necessary assumption is that the server maintains the ability to send/receive from both addresses through the whole process. So if the client's attempt to hand off fails, it can still continue with the original address. In the more general P2P case, the server might not actually continue to have access to the original address, because it is actually changed network connections.

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----==_mimepart_5ac261f6807c3_67f53fca28778f301848b3-- From nobody Mon Apr 2 10:06:52 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB9E012D80E for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2018 10:06:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Hf35Vr7A0350 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2018 10:06:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D91D2126D45 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2018 10:06:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=3o0ZK6tT/axcTk6qURKPm9yMDaw=; b=nPtHqAIH57VfZ/lJ hd66j2mYSkfBh5S6VccQxpbQpC1O0RXcIX7ea5BxIPV7mWLRbK46FQ1Tquu1BGLC 0hIoMBoSmaccjjapWkgb1Xi4cxarZ54dS1Xo/IQ03d5SpC4px7oPPGNFaTosS63y JVLONfe8PGgTPPwl+pIiwUqYeSU= Received: by filter0948p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0948p1mdw1-1006-5AC26327-1F 2018-04-02 17:06:47.745687588 +0000 UTC Received: from smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) by ismtpd0023p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id CJIonnGERKGqyPzkBD_sCg for ; Mon, 02 Apr 2018 17:06:47.773 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2018 17:06:48 +0000 (UTC) From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Server's preferred address (#1251) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ac26327a2a57_c043fe83423af302843e2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3LyPyBmJRfW6fswVcdc4udqOfeD5BNkDKwhm +c5MZy5tSvBl9ZFyOWfEXqMR695SMQehAdMG6ZZTQgAzzCqYJYo3ER/dx1RYoM3P9lEaCLIG5nzhpZ Gvvzwxy+eS/jvMzbPZzs1CeL3905amzkR3iqTXQIwbjIfxZMsomZwUIlHf8W7kMBWbqX123A0w1JE5 o= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2018 17:06:51 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ac26327a2a57_c043fe83423af302843e2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MikeBishop commented on this pull request. > +time during the connection after the handshake is completed. If this packet +contains a PATH_CHALLENGE frame, the server sends a PATH_RESPONSE frame as per +{{migrate-validate}}, but the server MUST continue sending all other packets +from its original IP address. + +Once the server has received a non-probing packet on its preferred address which +is the largest packet number seen so far, the server begins sending to the +client exclusively from its preferred IP address. + + +## Interaction of Client and Server Migration + +A client might need to perform a connection migration before the server's +connection migration has completed. In this case, the client SHOULD perform +path validation to both the original and preferred server address from the +client's new address concurrently. Well, there are two pieces. NAT rebinding means that, even if the client doesn't change its local address, the server will see a simultaneous migration. So forbidding it seems problematic, since the server can't enforce it. If it can't be totally forbidden, we could say that you SHOULD NOT attempt to perform a local migration until the handoff has completed. I'm not convinced that abandoning one probe (because that local address is gone) and starting two in parallel is a combinatorial explosion -- it's two paths to probe, with an embedded preference between them if they both work. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1251#discussion_r178591287 ----==_mimepart_5ac26327a2a57_c043fe83423af302843e2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +time during the connection after the handshake is completed.  If this packet
+contains a PATH_CHALLENGE frame, the server sends a PATH_RESPONSE frame as per
+{{migrate-validate}}, but the server MUST continue sending all other packets
+from its original IP address.
+
+Once the server has received a non-probing packet on its preferred address which
+is the largest packet number seen so far, the server begins sending to the
+client exclusively from its preferred IP address.
+
+
+## Interaction of Client and Server Migration
+
+A client might need to perform a connection migration before the server's
+connection migration has completed.  In this case, the client SHOULD perform
+path validation to both the original and preferred server address from the
+client's new address concurrently.

Well, there are two pieces. NAT rebinding means that, even if the client doesn't change its local address, the server will see a simultaneous migration. So forbidding it seems problematic, since the server can't enforce it. If it can't be totally forbidden, we could say that you SHOULD NOT attempt to perform a local migration until the handoff has completed.

I'm not convinced that abandoning one probe (because that local address is gone) and starting two in parallel is a combinatorial explosion -- it's two paths to probe, with an embedded preference between them if they both work.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Observation while creating #1251 -- if a server's address is an Anycast address, then attempting connection migration will cause you to reach a different server from your new address. That server might well send you a Stateless Reset in response to your probe. That doesn't mean that the connection actually gets aborted (if you're sane), it just means your probe failed. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1258 ----==_mimepart_5ac2667a381f3_169f43fd4bbf3cf30137172 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Observation while creating #1251 -- if a server's address is an Anycast address, then attempting connection migration will cause you to reach a different server from your new address. That server might well send you a Stateless Reset in response to your probe.

That doesn't mean that the connection actually gets aborted (if you're sane), it just means your probe failed.

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Extracted from #1251 at @martinthomson's request. Fixes #1258.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +QUIC allows servers to accept connections on one IP address and attempt to
+transfer these connections to a more preferred address shortly after the
+handshake.  This section describes the protocol for migrating a connection to a
+new server address.
+
+Migrating a connection to a new server address mid-connection is left for future
+work. If a client receives packets from a new server address not indicated by
+the preferred_address transport parameter, the client SHOULD discard these
+packets.
+
+### Initiating Connection Migration
+
+A server initiates connection migration by including the preferred_address
+transport parameter in the TLS handshake.
+
+Once the handshake is finished, the client MUST initiate path validation (see

The server can't actually know if the client's probe fails to reach it for some reason, so it's going to have to tolerate clients failing to switch anyway. This could probably become a SHOULD without changing logic on anyone's side.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1485,6 +1505,11 @@ path validation with other frames.  For instance, an endpoint may pad a packet
 carrying a PATH_CHALLENGE for PMTU discovery, or an endpoint may bundle a
 PATH_RESPONSE with its own PATH_CHALLENGE.
 
+Differences in routing on the Internet might cause the same destination address
+and connection ID to reach a different server instance which does not posses the
+necessary connection state. Receiving a Stateless Reset in response to a probing
+packet SHOULD NOT terminate the connection, but MUST cause the endpoint to
+consider path validation to have failed.

Yes, it's something I realized when discussing the simultaneous migration case. If the client probes both the original (anycast) and preferred (unicast) address from the new interface, the result is a race between a Stateless Reset from the anycast peer and a PATH_RESPONSE from the unicast peer. Since the anycast endpoint is likely to be closer, the Stateless Reset will likely win.

However, it's not specific to this PR, so it's now #1259.

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For simplicity, I'm inclined to say it's the server's job to send a sing= le working IP address to the client. When we have a more complete server m= igration story, the server can just try multiple times / send multiple addr= esses.

Yes, just like in path validation, the server responds on the same addre= ss to the same address.

I don't see this as an attack, primarily because it's under the server's= control. The server could use a dedicated IP per cert to do handshakes, t= hen hand off to a shared IP for existing connections. No certs involved th= ere.

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= ----==_mimepart_5ac26e7b8c14f_485d3fc6ac43cf301939d6-- From nobody Mon Apr 2 11:20:58 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E921E12D7FC for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2018 11:20:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sW4JKFhklF2I for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2018 11:20:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9343D12D810 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2018 11:20:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=Qu2Yg9pteOwSEFKvhBgVgQEBU8o=; b=qNGOXdxpcfcI0/rI N7WPWJEpHFkglQzu0ZO1iByOnN7J+u2Kb3owIalzsBrcb/eCjNmLU7ZRxxgXiZy9 4nyYrWiegAeTUx9P9pPBkQi3cXAaHl3it5nt5AqHjTI5DPuFoUoaorD1cF1f51VK 7KDw55HKD69uUb4algqh3olYESY= Received: by filter1172p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1172p1mdw1-21929-5AC27485-3 2018-04-02 18:20:53.10116816 +0000 UTC Received: from smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) by ismtpd0024p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id u8tI1qtLQPu7eg8TFleS5Q for ; Mon, 02 Apr 2018 18:20:53.011 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2018 18:20:53 +0000 (UTC) From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove unnecessary text from #1253 (#1254) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ac27484f33e9_180a3f8067a5cf2c838bc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3GmAEcvXdR6Pml6KS9MqCRcjXCvR4OZ3vqre c1kzy7ekmWZbYyPKT6iIBktM+lfm/cdUlsRmk76zVqCbtJ4WOItoS3NPU9ZRYyloRRh1TQs+hbTQ2s McMWsb4LYxHlxLfUZR3hxYdf/W+hSI1C5+ttu/KzNwcFyqlzQCPSG+dUC9/2vH2bn0BvSv0BT7Mz1U Y= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2018 18:20:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ac27484f33e9_180a3f8067a5cf2c838bc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In the client case, it provides the value that it's the client that decides when to switch. The server can't just decide to start sending you data on an address that you probed from but didn't intend to switch to. In the server case, it means that the client still drives the point of handover, because only the client knows when all probes have completed successfully. In a future generic server migration case, a server might decide it's going to switch, but it still needs the client to initiate traffic to that address for NAT purposes. However, that's probing, so this text need not apply. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1254#issuecomment-378000680 ----==_mimepart_5ac27484f33e9_180a3f8067a5cf2c838bc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In the client case, it provides the value that it's the client that deci= des when to switch. The server can't just decide to start sending you data= on an address that you probed from but didn't intend to switch to. In the= server case, it means that the client still drives the point of handover, = because only the client knows when all probes have completed successfully.<= /p>

In a future generic server migration case, a server might decide it's go= ing to switch, but it still needs the client to initiate traffic to that ad= dress for NAT purposes. However, that's probing, so this text need not app= ly.

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If future versions of QUIC require us to add more fields to the invariants, how would we go about it? Would we add the fields after the PN or before it? We lack a field that specifies the offset to encrypted payload start and there will be no more reserved bits left if the spin bit experiment is successful.

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In the long header, it would need to come after the connection IDs.
In the short header, it could go anywhere after the first byte, since there= are no constraints in the current invariants draft.

Can you clarify the issue? Is this an editorial request for clarity on = how future versions of the invariants might change from the current one, or= something else?

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It seems a contradiction in terms to says that we would add something = in a future version of the invariants. These are supposed to be things w= hich are true of all QUIC versions, and something we add in the = future would, by definition, not be true of QUIC versions which precede i= t. That makes it difficult for version-agnostic network components to ob= serve it.

I think the first line of defense is to simply define them as version-= specific, with the intention of including them in all future QUIC version= s. This does require version awareness on the part of the observer. A m= ore extended version might be a new document defining additional invarian= ts which are true for all versions conforming to a particular version pat= tern (first byte of 0x01, for example). This requires some version-aware= ness, but wouldn't require the observer to understand particular= versions.

But most fundamentally is the answer I suggested and no one argued wit= h during the call for adoption: If the invariants differ, you're definin= g a new protocol which is not QUIC. Describe that protocol's in= variants (and hopefully how to demux it with QUIC) in a new RFC.

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= ----==_mimepart_5ac27a684116b_2a9d3f98f630cf2c936ed-- From nobody Mon Apr 2 11:48:27 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBA20126DFF for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2018 11:48:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N0dhkcZOQZ3h for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2018 11:48:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 629AC1241F8 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2018 11:48:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2018 11:48:21 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1522694901; bh=mRChARArR8yNvNZhwsdxsD5p40MtQKEUGpRvGiSanBU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Jhg4MIxCdHsPadnhQ9dkuKe89hUDNOsK5C9Lf7YzyrOnDnIhq1xSjLzeensxQnKT2 wHJbTfLPCQp1AVXdcOTiHYtZyOkagBafHAax9wxL/2Ja0vN3GgWKVieboFUinbhy9+ WdAmCxnXpsfEx9y3nhLv5qxOZTbzlume0yv59Zds= From: Praveen Balasubramanian Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Invariants extensbility (#1260) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ac27af5bcb8a_1df63f9a7fe2cf301055c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: pravb X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2018 18:48:25 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ac27af5bcb8a_1df63f9a7fe2cf301055c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Both my education and a editorial request. I think it is important to state how extensibility will work in future. I think it is also important that we mark the invariant portions of the header some way in the transport draft diagrams of the headers, as otherwise a casual reader may assume other fields as invariant. >>In the short header, it could go anywhere after the first byte, since there are no constraints in the current invariants draft. The load balancers will need to know the location of the destination connection ID field for routing? Or are we expecting that the load balancers will need to become stateful and do version specific processing per connection? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1260#issuecomment-378008309 ----==_mimepart_5ac27af5bcb8a_1df63f9a7fe2cf301055c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Both my education and a editorial request. I think it is important to = state how extensibility will work in future. I think it is also important= that we mark the invariant portions of the header some way in the transp= ort draft diagrams of the headers, as otherwise a casual reader may assum= e other fields as invariant.

In the short header, it could go anywhere after the first byte, since = there are no constraints in the current invariants draft.
The load balancers will need to know the location of the destination conn= ection ID field for routing? Or are we expecting that the load balancers = will need to become stateful and do version specific processing per conne= ction?

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= ----==_mimepart_5ac27af5bcb8a_1df63f9a7fe2cf301055c-- From nobody Mon Apr 2 12:38:27 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9786512D877 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2018 12:38:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.606 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.606 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wHyoEa1YPleR for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2018 12:38:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C815012D870 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2018 12:38:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2018 12:38:23 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1522697903; bh=4MCgT33gBzK+Hia7mcUWGieQ93YDwhgLNSubxqF5KtU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=MFfDuosFN+ZHdlOt6lul+Qzi4V6w2mxX3f8PvIrV6RMXm5Gjz42YE/g5+7kXgse72 uYjsGYJ4xNSW0fK0eJoauA52BIoSxJypwcqjb1IkmW9yeJKkEFed/aF/TjdlPRbS8E 9TdxJS5yqyvQ+eBaJid+Z2uWk9+h1AATN9XmnPr8= From: Praveen Balasubramanian Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Invariants extensbility (#1260) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ac286afd38a1_3df83f869f4fef38101ad"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: pravb X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2018 19:38:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ac286afd38a1_3df83f869f4fef38101ad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Mike, it would be good to state this position in the draft. I suspect that we will see hardware terminating QUIC at some point (not that we have any plans around this). And at that point I see deployment issues if adding a few bits to cleartext requires defining a new protocol but this is speculation so I don't have any opposition to the approach. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1260#issuecomment-378021339 ----==_mimepart_5ac286afd38a1_3df83f869f4fef38101ad Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks Mike, it would be good to state this position in the draft.

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I suspect that we will see hardware terminating QUIC at some point (no= t that we have any plans around this). And at that point I see deployment= issues if adding a few bits to cleartext requires defining a new protoco= l but this is speculation so I don't have any opposition to the approach.=

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= ----==_mimepart_5ac286afd38a1_3df83f869f4fef38101ad-- From nobody Mon Apr 2 12:39:36 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5145E12D870 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2018 12:39:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uq2cAA1qDPbu for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2018 12:39:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D6A6128C0A for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2018 12:39:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2018 12:39:31 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1522697971; bh=GmSoZIQByqY/lmXzFBPPNFXZtBK4SJYUe7XNi/LKgOs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=rhaFDB7J3VrclAcP+159L8se6ACQ/R01G9uHx0neYTN4R2RAIkVHO91UunYG658K4 IYJISpU1bjXFTB/R74KMcrSndqMnPELaRGESn6JRwXqdyuRQzYHCKR1BWFx/oSXEI0 WTZJO4PtPf6xqyud2jcrZkVMrNYNd+BA6OkTunbA= From: Praveen Balasubramanian Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Invariants extensbility (#1260) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ac286f3ad45a_16f73feda1172f2c422f6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: pravb X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2018 19:39:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ac286f3ad45a_16f73feda1172f2c422f6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ian please confirm that location of connection ID in short header is invariant as stated by the draft and that any changes to headers in future will be after this field. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1260#issuecomment-378021618 ----==_mimepart_5ac286f3ad45a_16f73feda1172f2c422f6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Ian please confirm that location of connection ID in short header is invariant as stated by the draft and that any changes to headers in future will be after this field.

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----==_mimepart_5ac286f3ad45a_16f73feda1172f2c422f6-- From nobody Mon Apr 2 15:04:00 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C07812DA09 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2018 15:03:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kUaZMCEo1Ap6 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2018 15:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7AC7512DA08 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2018 15:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2018 15:03:55 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1522706635; bh=VYgu/lfCWJI5AxmwnLIy33XJ1w70nni3xWTzi1td648=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Q94s8kl/qkvep4mbJVHyX/sQ3s7suoqr+T3S82VhXC5ZE+zSXkF+xNWMCLz03aG/Y 9jS7GpXDAmPcTYta9Bo1j6c30x/Br0HN21LnlSuPNfuOhQRK17g6BjcULtRPiejKu4 ZpxxV5JwAW9R9zT90y2/uQv8j+iiQZc/hpY5yLUI= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] UDP-like, not exclusively UDP (#1250) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ac2a8cb630ed_79dc2ab3bd6eaec4258710"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2018 22:03:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ac2a8cb630ed_79dc2ab3bd6eaec4258710 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think the/another problem with this is that, unlike TCP, QUIC doesn't have port numbers -- it leaves that concern to UDP. If we want to work atop something other than UDP, then we need to replace that multi-recipient functionality (or build atop something with equivalent recipient-demuxing capability). Or say that QUIC is a per-device service in a non-UDP environment and use connection IDs to demux. ;-) Regardless, this is outside our charter as noted on the list. We're explicitly chartered to define QUIC over UDP. I'm inclined to close this with no action on that basis. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1250#issuecomment-378060718 ----==_mimepart_5ac2a8cb630ed_79dc2ab3bd6eaec4258710 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think the/another problem with this is that, unlike TCP, QUIC doesn'= t have port numbers -- it leaves that concern to UDP. If we want to work= atop something other than UDP, then we need to replace that multi-recipi= ent functionality (or build atop something with equivalent recipient-demu= xing capability).

Or say that QUIC is a per-device service in a non-UDP environment and = use connection IDs to demux. ;-)

Regardless, this is outside our charter as noted on the list. We're e= xplicitly chartered to define QUIC over UDP. I'm inclined to close this = with no action on that basis.

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Effective NAT +traversal needs additional synchronization mechanisms that are not provided +here. + +An endpoint MAY bundle PATH_CHALLENGE and PATH_RESPONSE frames that are used for +path validation with other frames. For instance, an endpoint may pad a packet +carrying a PATH_CHALLENGE for PMTU discovery, or an endpoint may bundle a +PATH_RESPONSE with its own PATH_CHALLENGE. + + +### Initiation + +To initiate path validation, an endpoint sends a PATH_CHALLENGE frame containing +a random payload on the path to be validated. The requirement is not that the payload be *random* but rather that it be *unpredictable*. For instance, it would be fine to have the payload be generated as: ``` retransmission # || HMAC(key, remote IP || retransmission #) ``` > +endpoint SHOULD NOT send a PATH_CHALLENGE more frequently than it would an +Initial packet, ensuring that connection migration is no more load on a new path +than establishing a new connection. + +The endpoint MUST use fresh random data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that it +can associate the peer's response with the causative PATH_CHALLENGE. + + +### Response + +On receiving a PATH_CHALLENGE frame, an endpoint MUST respond immediately by +echoing the data contained in the PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame, +with the following stipulation. Since a PATH_CHALLENGE might be sent from a +spoofed address, an endpoint MAY limit the rate at which it sends PATH_RESPONSE +frames and MAY silently discard PATH_CHALLENGE frames that would cause it to +respond at a higher rate. I actually don't think that this is necessary. Here is my reasoning. PATH_CHALLENGES are cryptographically protected, and therefore if you are doing duplicate suppression on incoming messages, any spoofed PATH_CHALLENGE will be responded to only once, so as long as the other side is reasonable about how many PATH_CHALLENGEs it generates, then an attacker cannot cause you to send to quickly. > +from the same local address on which the PATH_CHALLENGE was received, to the +same remote address from which the PATH_CHALLENGE was received. + + +### Completion + +A new address is considered valid when a PATH_RESPONSE frame is received +containing data that was sent in a previous PATH_CHALLENGE. Receipt of an +acknowledgment for a packet containing a PATH_CHALLENGE frame is not adequate +validation, since the acknowledgment can be spoofed by a malicious peer. + +For path validation to be successful, a PATH_RESPONSE frame MUST be received +from the same remote address to which the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE was +sent. If a PATH_RESPONSE frame is received from a different remote address than +the one to which the PATH_CHALLENGE was sent, path validation is considered to +have failed, even if the data matches that sent in the PATH_CHALLENGE. What does "have failed" mean? That you abort the entire challenge operation? That gives an attacker a trivial way to stop migration. Or does it mean something else. > +acknowledgment for a packet containing a PATH_CHALLENGE frame is not adequate +validation, since the acknowledgment can be spoofed by a malicious peer. + +For path validation to be successful, a PATH_RESPONSE frame MUST be received +from the same remote address to which the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE was +sent. If a PATH_RESPONSE frame is received from a different remote address than +the one to which the PATH_CHALLENGE was sent, path validation is considered to +have failed, even if the data matches that sent in the PATH_CHALLENGE. + +Additionally, the PATH_RESPONSE frame MUST be received on the same local address +from which the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE was sent. If a PATH_RESPONSE frame +is received on a different local address than the one from which the +PATH_CHALLENGE was sent, path validation is considered to have failed, even if +the data matches that sent in the PATH_CHALLENGE. Thus, the endpoint considers +the path to be valid when a PATH_RESPONSE frame is received on the same path +with the same payload as the PATH_CHALLENGE frame. Same question here as above. > +This document limits migration of connections to new client addresses. +Migrating a connection to a new server address is left for future work. If a +client receives packets from a new server address, the client MAY discard these +packets. + + +### Probing a New Path + +An endpoint MAY probe for peer reachability from a new local address using path +validation {{migrate-validate}} prior to migrating the connection to the new +local address. Failure of path validation simply means that the new path is not +usable for this connection. Failure to validate a path does not cause the +connection to end unless there are no valid alternative paths available. + +An endpoint uses a new connection ID for probes sent from a new local address, +see {{migration-linkability}} for further discussion. Does this mean that if the other side hasn't provided enough connection IDs you are just stalled? > +As described in {{migration-response}}, an endpoint is required to validate a +peer's new address to confirm the peer's possession of the new address. Until a +peer's address is deemed valid, an endpoint MUST limit the rate at which it +sends data to this address. The endpoint MUST NOT send more than a minimum +congestion window's worth of data per estimated round-trip time (kMinimumWindow, +as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}). In the absence of this limit, an endpoint +risks being used for a denial of service attack against an unsuspecting victim. +Note that since the endpoint will not have any round-trip time measurements to +this address, the estimate SHOULD be the default initial value (see +{{QUIC-RECOVERY}}). + +If an endpoint skips validation of a peer address as described in +{{migration-response}}, it does not need to limit its sending rate. + + +#### Handling Address Spoofing by an On-path Attacker {#on-path-spoofing} The procedure here doesn't seem like it works very well, as the attacker can force you onto a new path for quite some time by spoofing a single packet. you recover when one of two things happen: 1. You receive a higher-numbered packet. 2. Validation fails. But both of these could take a really long time if one side is kind of quiet. I have a nice attack that works if you allow server migration as well, but even this seems like it's not great. > -migrating to a new network. Connection migration allows a client to retain any -shared state with a connection when they move networks. This includes state -that can be hard to recover such as outstanding requests, which might otherwise -be lost with no easy way to retry them. +QUIC allows connections to survive changes to endpoint addresses (that is, IP +address and/or port), such as those caused by a endpoint migrating to a new +network. This section describes the process by which an endpoint migrates to a +new address. + +An endpoint MUST NOT initiate connection migration before the handshake is +finished and the endpoint has 1-RTT keys. + +This document limits migration of connections to new client addresses. +Migrating a connection to a new server address is left for future work. If a +client receives packets from a new server address, the client MAY discard these +packets. Isn't the answer that it MUST NOT follow the other procedures. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1249#pullrequestreview-108774337 ----==_mimepart_5ac2c272575e8_42e02ae2e30b2ed0986ac Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +mechanism described here might be effective for the creation of NAT bindings
+that support NAT traversal, the expectation is that one or other peer is able to
+receive packets without first having sent a packet on that path. Effective NAT
+traversal needs additional synchronization mechanisms that are not provided
+here.
+
+An endpoint MAY bundle PATH_CHALLENGE and PATH_RESPONSE frames that are used for
+path validation with other frames.  For instance, an endpoint may pad a packet
+carrying a PATH_CHALLENGE for PMTU discovery, or an endpoint may bundle a
+PATH_RESPONSE with its own PATH_CHALLENGE.
+
+
+### Initiation
+
+To initiate path validation, an endpoint sends a PATH_CHALLENGE frame containing
+a random payload on the path to be validated.

The requirement is not that the payload be random but rather that it be unpredictable. For instance, it would be fine to have the payload be generated as:

retransmission # || HMAC(key, remote IP || retransmission #)

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +endpoint SHOULD NOT send a PATH_CHALLENGE more frequently than it would an
+Initial packet, ensuring that connection migration is no more load on a new path
+than establishing a new connection.
+
+The endpoint MUST use fresh random data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that it
+can associate the peer's response with the causative PATH_CHALLENGE.
+
+
+### Response
+
+On receiving a PATH_CHALLENGE frame, an endpoint MUST respond immediately by
+echoing the data contained in the PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame,
+with the following stipulation.  Since a PATH_CHALLENGE might be sent from a
+spoofed address, an endpoint MAY limit the rate at which it sends PATH_RESPONSE
+frames and MAY silently discard PATH_CHALLENGE frames that would cause it to
+respond at a higher rate.

I actually don't think that this is necessary. Here is my reasoning. PATH_CHALLENGES are cryptographically protected, and therefore if you are doing duplicate suppression on incoming messages, any spoofed PATH_CHALLENGE will be responded to only once, so as long as the other side is reasonable about how many PATH_CHALLENGEs it generates, then an attacker cannot cause you to send to quickly.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +from the same local address on which the PATH_CHALLENGE was received, to the
+same remote address from which the PATH_CHALLENGE was received.
+
+
+### Completion
+
+A new address is considered valid when a PATH_RESPONSE frame is received
+containing data that was sent in a previous PATH_CHALLENGE. Receipt of an
+acknowledgment for a packet containing a PATH_CHALLENGE frame is not adequate
+validation, since the acknowledgment can be spoofed by a malicious peer.
+
+For path validation to be successful, a PATH_RESPONSE frame MUST be received
+from the same remote address to which the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE was
+sent. If a PATH_RESPONSE frame is received from a different remote address than
+the one to which the PATH_CHALLENGE was sent, path validation is considered to
+have failed, even if the data matches that sent in the PATH_CHALLENGE.

What does "have failed" mean? That you abort the entire challenge operation? That gives an attacker a trivial way to stop migration. Or does it mean something else.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +acknowledgment for a packet containing a PATH_CHALLENGE frame is not adequate
+validation, since the acknowledgment can be spoofed by a malicious peer.
+
+For path validation to be successful, a PATH_RESPONSE frame MUST be received
+from the same remote address to which the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE was
+sent. If a PATH_RESPONSE frame is received from a different remote address than
+the one to which the PATH_CHALLENGE was sent, path validation is considered to
+have failed, even if the data matches that sent in the PATH_CHALLENGE.
+
+Additionally, the PATH_RESPONSE frame MUST be received on the same local address
+from which the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE was sent.  If a PATH_RESPONSE frame
+is received on a different local address than the one from which the
+PATH_CHALLENGE was sent, path validation is considered to have failed, even if
+the data matches that sent in the PATH_CHALLENGE.  Thus, the endpoint considers
+the path to be valid when a PATH_RESPONSE frame is received on the same path
+with the same payload as the PATH_CHALLENGE frame.

Same question here as above.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +This document limits migration of connections to new client addresses.
+Migrating a connection to a new server address is left for future work. If a
+client receives packets from a new server address, the client MAY discard these
+packets.
+
+
+### Probing a New Path
+
+An endpoint MAY probe for peer reachability from a new local address using path
+validation {{migrate-validate}} prior to migrating the connection to the new
+local address.  Failure of path validation simply means that the new path is not
+usable for this connection.  Failure to validate a path does not cause the
+connection to end unless there are no valid alternative paths available.
+
+An endpoint uses a new connection ID for probes sent from a new local address,
+see {{migration-linkability}} for further discussion.

Does this mean that if the other side hasn't provided enough connection IDs you are just stalled?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +As described in {{migration-response}}, an endpoint is required to validate a
+peer's new address to confirm the peer's possession of the new address.  Until a
+peer's address is deemed valid, an endpoint MUST limit the rate at which it
+sends data to this address.  The endpoint MUST NOT send more than a minimum
+congestion window's worth of data per estimated round-trip time (kMinimumWindow,
+as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}).  In the absence of this limit, an endpoint
+risks being used for a denial of service attack against an unsuspecting victim.
+Note that since the endpoint will not have any round-trip time measurements to
+this address, the estimate SHOULD be the default initial value (see
+{{QUIC-RECOVERY}}).
+
+If an endpoint skips validation of a peer address as described in
+{{migration-response}}, it does not need to limit its sending rate.
+
+
+#### Handling Address Spoofing by an On-path Attacker {#on-path-spoofing}

The procedure here doesn't seem like it works very well, as the attacker can force you onto a new path for quite some time by spoofing a single packet. you recover when one of two things happen:

  1. You receive a higher-numbered packet.
  2. Validation fails.

But both of these could take a really long time if one side is kind of quiet.

I have a nice attack that works if you allow server migration as well, but even this seems like it's not great.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -migrating to a new network.  Connection migration allows a client to retain any
-shared state with a connection when they move networks.  This includes state
-that can be hard to recover such as outstanding requests, which might otherwise
-be lost with no easy way to retry them.
+QUIC allows connections to survive changes to endpoint addresses (that is, IP
+address and/or port), such as those caused by a endpoint migrating to a new
+network.  This section describes the process by which an endpoint migrates to a
+new address.
+
+An endpoint MUST NOT initiate connection migration before the handshake is
+finished and the endpoint has 1-RTT keys.
+
+This document limits migration of connections to new client addresses.
+Migrating a connection to a new server address is left for future work. If a
+client receives packets from a new server address, the client MAY discard these
+packets.

Isn't the answer that it MUST NOT follow the other procedures.

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  • If the attacker forwards the next packet from A' (likely a PATH_RESPO= NSE) but rewrites the source address to B, then I will consider the valid= ation failed.

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Please add a note to the effect that a Stateless Reset causes the connection ID to be unusable thereafter.

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----==_mimepart_5ac2cc41ddf0_799e2b0f77418ec41106bc-- From nobody Mon Apr 2 17:39:03 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9520E12DA25 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2018 17:39:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WGUf0kEH37V6 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2018 17:38:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B54E212DA21 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2018 17:38:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2018 17:38:58 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1522715938; bh=gsXSk2JprYaVSB10zH/VgPlrITXCIhrk//6+gWQ+Skg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=1ScFnwrOokCi45n+iEMGfCrpe1JskJSzzoKZNijIhjZt2d4Pin/QGD3M98lNtSuRf mvX5kSefcT/LtReCE6M+tBkE+ZrspeXW6fgfX/3PKLYA+2sCG2MbKLMPgYBdqj0Mhy z0WOgtri//hIqqpIerHCA9CsikiqWBzYZpvuWj/E= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Server's preferred address (#1251) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ac2cd22dc0ff_3a793f8fda048f2c7409f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2018 00:39:02 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ac2cd22dc0ff_3a793f8fda048f2c7409f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > +time during the connection after the handshake is completed. If this packet +contains a PATH_CHALLENGE frame, the server sends a PATH_RESPONSE frame as per +{{migrate-validate}}, but the server MUST continue sending all other packets +from its original IP address. + +Once the server has received a non-probing packet on its preferred address which +is the largest packet number seen so far, the server begins sending to the +client exclusively from its preferred IP address. + + +## Interaction of Client and Server Migration + +A client might need to perform a connection migration before the server's +connection migration has completed. In this case, the client SHOULD perform +path validation to both the original and preferred server address from the +client's new address concurrently. It increases the complexity of implementations. Right now, you probe one path, and if a new path presents itself, you abandon any previous path. Having to move from 1 to N (even if N == 2), is more complex than we need. The odds of needing to move just after the handshake are low enough that I would prefer to just say that the client can hold off on migration until after the server completes. I guess that your response is that this only affects discretionary migrations. But we can at least write that consideration down. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1251#discussion_r178687105 ----==_mimepart_5ac2cd22dc0ff_3a793f8fda048f2c7409f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +time during the connection after the handshake is completed.  If this packet
+contains a PATH_CHALLENGE frame, the server sends a PATH_RESPONSE frame as per
+{{migrate-validate}}, but the server MUST continue sending all other packets
+from its original IP address.
+
+Once the server has received a non-probing packet on its preferred address which
+is the largest packet number seen so far, the server begins sending to the
+client exclusively from its preferred IP address.
+
+
+## Interaction of Client and Server Migration
+
+A client might need to perform a connection migration before the server's
+connection migration has completed.  In this case, the client SHOULD perform
+path validation to both the original and preferred server address from the
+client's new address concurrently.

It increases the complexity of implementations. Right now, you probe one path, and if a new path presents itself, you abandon any previous path. Having to move from 1 to N (even if N == 2), is more complex than we need. The odds of needing to move just after the handshake are low enough that I would prefer to just say that the client can hold off on migration until after the server completes. I guess that your response is that this only affects discretionary migrations. But we can at least write that consideration down.

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@tatsuhiro-t I'd assume that it is because = you are not reusing the AEAD function of OpenSSL.

Some TLS libraries provide AEAD construction functions so that applicati= on developers do not need to figure out how to use HKDF.

In case of picotls, the library provides a function named pt= ls_aead_new that internally calls the HKDF with two dif= ferent parameters; i.e. "key" and "iv", at the same time allowing the appli= cation to specify BaseLabel.

Reading #1255 (comment), I'd assume that the case is similar with NS= S, except for the fact that NSS does not provide a way to specify BaseLabel= other than "tls13 ".

The voice behind this issue is that we want to continue using those func= tions.

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The Basic Algorithm To compute the current RTO, a TCP sender maintains two state variables, SRTT (smoothed round-trip time) and RTTVAR (round-trip time variation). In addition, we assume a clock granularity of G seconds. Paxson, et al. Standards Track [Page 2] RFC 6298 Computing TCP's Retransmission Timer June 2011 The rules governing the computation of SRTT, RTTVAR, and RTO are as follows: (2.1) Until a round-trip time (RTT) measurement has been made for a segment sent between the sender and receiver, the sender SHOULD set RTO <- 1 second, though the "backing off" on repeated retransmission discussed in (5.5) still applies. Note that the previous version of this document used an initial RTO of 3 seconds [PA00]. A TCP implementation MAY still use this value (or any other value > 1 second). This change in the lower bound on the initial RTO is discussed in further detail in Appendix A. (2.2) When the first RTT measurement R is made, the host MUST set SRTT <- R RTTVAR <- R/2 RTO <- SRTT + max (G, K*RTTVAR) where K = 4. (2.3) When a subsequent RTT measurement R' is made, a host MUST set RTTVAR <- (1 - beta) * RTTVAR + beta * |SRTT - R'| SRTT <- (1 - alpha) * SRTT + alpha * R' The value of SRTT used in the update to RTTVAR is its value before updating SRTT itself using the second assignment. That is, updating RTTVAR and SRTT MUST be computed in the above order. The above SHOULD be computed using alpha=1/8 and beta=1/4 (as suggested in [JK88]). After the computation, a host MUST update RTO <- SRTT + max (G, K*RTTVAR) (2.4) Whenever RTO is computed, if it is less than 1 second, then the RTO SHOULD be rounded up to 1 second. Traditionally, TCP implementations use coarse grain clocks to measure the RTT and trigger the RTO, which imposes a large minimum value on the RTO. Research suggests that a large minimum RTO is needed to keep TCP conservative and avoid spurious retransmissions [AP99]. Therefore, this specification requires a large minimum RTO as a conservative approach, while at the same time acknowledging that at some future point, research may show that a smaller minimum RTO is acceptable or superior. (2.5) A maximum value MAY be placed on RTO provided it is at least 60 seconds. ``` or just use the code in recovery ``` alarm_duration = smoothed_rtt + 4 * rttvar + max_ack_delay alarm_duration = max(alarm_duration, kMinRTOTimeout) alarm_duration = alarm_duration * (2 ^ rto_count) if (tlp_count < kMaxTLPs): // Tail Loss Probe tlp_alarm_duration = max(1.5 * smoothed_rtt + max_ack_delay, kMinTLPTimeout) alarm_duration = min(tlp_alarm_duration, alarm_duration) ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Should we follow the RFC 6298

2.  The Basic Algorithm

   To compute the current RTO, a TCP sender maintains two state
   variables, SRTT (smoothed round-trip time) and RTTVAR (round-trip
   time variation).  In addition, we assume a clock granularity of G
   seconds.





Paxson, et al.               Standards Track                    [Page 2]
 
RFC 6298          Computing TCP's Retransmission Timer         June 2011


   The rules governing the computation of SRTT, RTTVAR, and RTO are as
   follows:

   (2.1) Until a round-trip time (RTT) measurement has been made for a
         segment sent between the sender and receiver, the sender SHOULD
         set RTO <- 1 second, though the "backing off" on repeated
         retransmission discussed in (5.5) still applies.

         Note that the previous version of this document used an initial
         RTO of 3 seconds [PA00].  A TCP implementation MAY still use
         this value (or any other value > 1 second).  This change in the
         lower bound on the initial RTO is discussed in further detail
         in Appendix A.

   (2.2) When the first RTT measurement R is made, the host MUST set

            SRTT <- R
            RTTVAR <- R/2
            RTO <- SRTT + max (G, K*RTTVAR)

         where K = 4.

   (2.3) When a subsequent RTT measurement R' is made, a host MUST set

            RTTVAR <- (1 - beta) * RTTVAR + beta * |SRTT - R'|
            SRTT <- (1 - alpha) * SRTT + alpha * R'

         The value of SRTT used in the update to RTTVAR is its value
         before updating SRTT itself using the second assignment.  That
         is, updating RTTVAR and SRTT MUST be computed in the above
         order.

         The above SHOULD be computed using alpha=1/8 and beta=1/4 (as
         suggested in [JK88]).

         After the computation, a host MUST update
         RTO <- SRTT + max (G, K*RTTVAR)

   (2.4) Whenever RTO is computed, if it is less than 1 second, then the
         RTO SHOULD be rounded up to 1 second.

         Traditionally, TCP implementations use coarse grain clocks to
         measure the RTT and trigger the RTO, which imposes a large
         minimum value on the RTO.  Research suggests that a large
         minimum RTO is needed to keep TCP conservative and avoid
         spurious retransmissions [AP99].  Therefore, this specification
         requires a large minimum RTO as a conservative approach, while

         at the same time acknowledging that at some future point,
         research may show that a smaller minimum RTO is acceptable or
         superior.

   (2.5) A maximum value MAY be placed on RTO provided it is at least 60
         seconds.

or just use the code in recovery

      alarm_duration =
        smoothed_rtt + 4 * rttvar + max_ack_delay
      alarm_duration = max(alarm_duration, kMinRTOTimeout)
      alarm_duration = alarm_duration * (2 ^ rto_count)
      if (tlp_count < kMaxTLPs):
        // Tail Loss Probe
        tlp_alarm_duration = max(1.5 * smoothed_rtt
                           + max_ack_delay, kMinTLPTimeout)
        alarm_duration = min(tlp_alarm_duration, alarm_duration)

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The intent of the recovery doc is to be self-contained, so it references 6298 for informational purposes, but the text(section 3.2.2) and associated psuedocode are what you should use.

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A key update might prevent the endpoint from moving from the closing state to draining, but it otherwise has no impact. An endpoint could receive packets from a new source address, indicating a client -connection migration ({{migration}}), while in the closing period. An endpoint +connection migration ({{migration}}}), while in the closing period. An endpoint {{{{ -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1251#pullrequestreview-109136866 ----==_mimepart_5ac3fe353d05c_16eb3f91ea68af2c2469c0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1864,7 +1945,7 @@ draining.  A key update might prevent the endpoint from moving from the closing
 state to draining, but it otherwise has no impact.
 
 An endpoint could receive packets from a new source address, indicating a client
-connection migration ({{migration}}), while in the closing period. An endpoint
+connection migration ({{migration}}}), while in the closing period. An endpoint

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Commit: fc6d4b5953a8a88e8ec412dab443eba07b25a723 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fc6d4b5953a8a88e8ec412dab443eba07b25a723 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-03-14 (Wed, 14 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Clients ignore packets of unknown versions (#1192) Closes #827. Commit: d246c37aa55bbcf4dd77a6977c018cc26647b1b5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d246c37aa55bbcf4dd77a6977c018cc26647b1b5 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-03-14 (Wed, 14 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove implicit stream opening (#1193) * Remove implicit stream opening Closes #896. * Clarification * minor nits Commit: 0be07036483aab91ae396fa3fb6e3e31c76b6409 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0be07036483aab91ae396fa3fb6e3e31c76b6409 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-03-14 (Wed, 14 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Allow length 0 when offset is 0 (#1194) Fixes #901 Commit: 808465ed5f3da2ab879492dbf3971c9ab4891a8b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/808465ed5f3da2ab879492dbf3971c9ab4891a8b Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2018-03-14 (Wed, 14 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- 16 bits instead of 32 Commit: f6157a0b51f14ee1583df3cc7408d8ae86174180 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f6157a0b51f14ee1583df3cc7408d8ae86174180 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2018-03-14 (Wed, 14 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Replace algorithm with example Commit: c88817a9caf20f2238e9b490afc07f9ec75c838c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c88817a9caf20f2238e9b490afc07f9ec75c838c Author: seanturner Date: 2018-03-14 (Wed, 14 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md Log Message: ----------- Invariants are IP-version-independent Commit: 6a986214b09245ceff6d30f6b497aca9c18e3a36 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6a986214b09245ceff6d30f6b497aca9c18e3a36 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-03-14 (Wed, 14 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Create a signal about HelloRetryRequest Closes #1061. Commit: 968ab9449276772dfba5f365d4d3b5034d411a23 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/968ab9449276772dfba5f365d4d3b5034d411a23 Author: Sean Turner Date: 2018-03-14 (Wed, 14 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Making quic-recovery self-contained (#1195) * Making quic-recovery self-contained * removing duplicate TLP reference * should have been {{?TLP}} and not {{?TLS}} * fixing ref * fixing double = Commit: d3cf51da66ab57b96ddf7f3baa06a4f4501c5f0c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d3cf51da66ab57b96ddf7f3baa06a4f4501c5f0c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-03-14 (Wed, 14 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1198 from quicwg/invar_ipversion Invariants are IP-version-independent Commit: 0d944c7f990f649eb47eb57de3dbb601d04be52e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0d944c7f990f649eb47eb57de3dbb601d04be52e Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2018-03-14 (Wed, 14 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md Log Message: ----------- Fixes #1127 Commit: 47958226abfbd3f82e0c93b5be83382d5fba64fb https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/47958226abfbd3f82e0c93b5be83382d5fba64fb Author: seanturner Date: 2018-03-14 (Wed, 14 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Addressing issue#1147 Commit: 5cfa6ebf889e065f91a0836c64b68cbf9ccd2bee https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5cfa6ebf889e065f91a0836c64b68cbf9ccd2bee Author: ianswett Date: 2018-03-14 (Wed, 14 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Move section on TLP to Congestion Control Closes #1075 Commit: edfff82f4e7205a479428901f929138c7d9d9c45 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/edfff82f4e7205a479428901f929138c7d9d9c45 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-03-14 (Wed, 14 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1201 from quicwg/issue_1147 Addressing issue#1147 Commit: 4097e1be795d339c99a1cb343872595f96669589 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4097e1be795d339c99a1cb343872595f96669589 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-03-14 (Wed, 14 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1203 from quicwg/ianswett-tlp Move section on TLP to Congestion Control Commit: 05f60e8c2b390b398824f6d7995628a98a4b88c2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/05f60e8c2b390b398824f6d7995628a98a4b88c2 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-03-14 (Wed, 14 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Specify pacing in a bit more detail. (#1202) * Specify pacing in a bit more detail. Closes 1056. * remove simply Commit: ed2958c889ed85abadef29cb7ccbe16769600884 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ed2958c889ed85abadef29cb7ccbe16769600884 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2018-03-14 (Wed, 14 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- App and transport errors Commit: 929274c286e56d144b1741862fbb72ba414dfded https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/929274c286e56d144b1741862fbb72ba414dfded Author: ianswett Date: 2018-03-14 (Wed, 14 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Ensure min_rtt is not always 0 Fixes #1169 Commit: 0284b983ef773edc0e7a38583d5a079b1966b3af https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0284b983ef773edc0e7a38583d5a079b1966b3af Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-03-14 (Wed, 14 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1204 from quicwg/error_clarity App and transport errors Commit: bf1a546a9c6b3874c344ee350b131c56d0f9b75b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/bf1a546a9c6b3874c344ee350b131c56d0f9b75b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-03-14 (Wed, 14 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1200 from quicwg/32_is_fine Remove discussion of entry overhead Commit: 26e395d64f9eab318bd599a89003d3860352a76f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/26e395d64f9eab318bd599a89003d3860352a76f Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2018-03-15 (Thu, 15 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Improve example Commit: 3630fdf1a02d3abf1366d5c82d99a3b75757b0af https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3630fdf1a02d3abf1366d5c82d99a3b75757b0af Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2018-03-15 (Thu, 15 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Parameter naming Commit: e80bc34b2def031807a9f96258fef1693d8c7589 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e80bc34b2def031807a9f96258fef1693d8c7589 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2018-03-15 (Thu, 15 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Corresponding Commit: 8d450dbc1a10f8df095492940b7fc88592cc4c29 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8d450dbc1a10f8df095492940b7fc88592cc4c29 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-03-15 (Thu, 15 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Prohibit STOP_SENDING for streams in the wrong state Closes #1050. Commit: 2b51d80b2e7f3ac0bbdf493d5dc6a8f77932f0be https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2b51d80b2e7f3ac0bbdf493d5dc6a8f77932f0be Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-03-15 (Thu, 15 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Remove duplicate TLP reference Commit: 2d0ba7dca103762b28191c1a5085c6debbaa7886 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2d0ba7dca103762b28191c1a5085c6debbaa7886 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-03-15 (Thu, 15 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Mandate ACK and allow PADDING in Revert See discussion in #627 for the stronger language for ACK frames. Closes #1067. Updates #627. Commit: d9096de3024c4fe53c909a32ade410e64afb8120 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d9096de3024c4fe53c909a32ade410e64afb8120 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-03-15 (Thu, 15 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- f*** whitespace Commit: 00e9298c293c0d252882a9c32b4d5a383deb9173 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/00e9298c293c0d252882a9c32b4d5a383deb9173 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-03-15 (Thu, 15 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- ACK for Initial packet ... RTT measurement is a bonus. Commit: fd227f197dee5c85816d5bba9d5a65cf4e2c3b97 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fd227f197dee5c85816d5bba9d5a65cf4e2c3b97 Author: Sean Turner Date: 2018-03-15 (Thu, 15 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1199 from quicwg/this-is-a-retry Create a signal about HelloRetryRequest Commit: 6b8ce22285703f9c93b8ff85918abb51aad3ef3f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6b8ce22285703f9c93b8ff85918abb51aad3ef3f Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-03-15 (Thu, 15 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- reflow because f*** web editor Commit: fdb375dfb34012de757528a60a2847232b0c4de1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fdb375dfb34012de757528a60a2847232b0c4de1 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-03-15 (Thu, 15 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #882 from marten-seemann/simplify-stateless-retry require ACKs and allow PADDING in the Server Stateless Retry packet Commit: 5bd5e9c7d4b676ebf5f3961232a05d4e9b6755bc https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5bd5e9c7d4b676ebf5f3961232a05d4e9b6755bc Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-03-15 (Thu, 15 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Rename 'Open' to 'Ready' for send streams (#1205) Commit: 6ea7707fad350f00d0ed12aea8a3ff58d8b524f1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6ea7707fad350f00d0ed12aea8a3ff58d8b524f1 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-03-15 (Thu, 15 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Trial decryption on TLS stream for 0-RTT rejection ...isn't necessary because there will be no records protected with 0-RTT keys. Closes #1172. Commit: 910a81f331ea7a9577c00325bf9c7d87c46ab705 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/910a81f331ea7a9577c00325bf9c7d87c46ab705 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-03-15 (Thu, 15 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- 0-RTT is rejected with Retry and VN Closes #1206. 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Leave the details up to the specific version of QUIC. FWIW, I don't see us changing this part of the protocol, but the invariants don't require that we specify behaviour, only format, so this keeps the separation clean. Closes #1197. Commit: ae251f682e96859025433dec3a80fb93d6a0bcfe https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ae251f682e96859025433dec3a80fb93d6a0bcfe Author: ianswett Date: 2018-03-17 (Sat, 17 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- No more Ackable (#1211) * No more Retransmittable Fixes Issue #591 * Marten's comment * Hyphenation and suggestions * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md * Congestion-controlled * One more * No more ackable * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md * Back to retransmittable * retrasnmittable Commit: 5c3f2e5087f8bb8ba9116e53942d106aae175e1d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5c3f2e5087f8bb8ba9116e53942d106aae175e1d Author: Marten Seemann Date: 2018-03-17 (Sat, 17 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- loss recovery timers are based on time of last retransmittable packet (#1219) Commit: cfa602f30715d377b8aa2ab53de072b990d0e908 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/cfa602f30715d377b8aa2ab53de072b990d0e908 Author: Peter Wu Date: 2018-03-18 (Sun, 18 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- transport: frame type does not carry flags for ACK frame Since draft -08 (commit 473d9e7fe1845931528c0bbcc039175bd51a3bf5), the frame type for ACK frames no longer have a special interpretation. 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Commit: 76581d4c0d4fc9899709c4a15d08d89a59f0fd88 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/76581d4c0d4fc9899709c4a15d08d89a59f0fd88 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-03-18 (Sun, 18 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1228 from Lekensteyn/tls-key-schedule tls: use QHKDF-Expand instead of QHKDF-Update Commit: 92274a24ddc8f9d9645ac15a4f99c59e63447b9c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/92274a24ddc8f9d9645ac15a4f99c59e63447b9c Author: ianswett Date: 2018-03-18 (Sun, 18 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Rename RetransmitAllHandshakePackets (#1229) * Rename RetransmitAllHandshakePackets * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: a7f42904684a61349cf5b790340c9792a6d76efd https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a7f42904684a61349cf5b790340c9792a6d76efd Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2018-03-18 (Sun, 18 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Improve Push text (#1210) * Improve Push text * Lucas's feedback * Just reference 7540 Commit: 608a95db9bb33a07353628a18954c73c7c3606a0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/608a95db9bb33a07353628a18954c73c7c3606a0 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-03-19 (Mon, 19 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md Log Message: ----------- allow asymmetry of versions Commit: 4daa5b5f5de225743f3b826b644cfd0ef8061a22 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4daa5b5f5de225743f3b826b644cfd0ef8061a22 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-03-19 (Mon, 19 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1241 from quicwg/version-asymmetry-invariant allow asymmetry of versions Commit: c3bb6d4946e36e4ff31f3959090313af2b1bf14c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c3bb6d4946e36e4ff31f3959090313af2b1bf14c Author: ianswett Date: 2018-03-20 (Tue, 20 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md Log Message: ----------- Editorial Commit: 306f19c92e52af41b1f15d0ac18190c6792f37a6 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/306f19c92e52af41b1f15d0ac18190c6792f37a6 Author: Alan Frindell Date: 2018-03-20 (Tue, 20 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md Log Message: ----------- Clarify suggested algorithm for handling QPACK acknowledgements Fixes #1126 Commit: ec2f002f8e11d9176da93de65c156b9c03dfab28 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ec2f002f8e11d9176da93de65c156b9c03dfab28 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-03-20 (Tue, 20 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1244 from quicwg/ianswett-editorial Editorial Commit: 9d3484ba10426e1a9c931ee56f7d220f272ccc50 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9d3484ba10426e1a9c931ee56f7d220f272ccc50 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-03-22 (Thu, 22 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Only pace retransmittable packets (#1222) * Only pace retransmittable packets * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md * Jana's suggestion. Commit: a2e6c8b9d31179c84cdece343a7a3d9da8e99353 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a2e6c8b9d31179c84cdece343a7a3d9da8e99353 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-03-26 (Mon, 26 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Fix OnPacketAcked (#1248) Fixes Issue #903 Commit: 4a10b92d5d6705dc8239630bc0b3d5fe3c2bf6a0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4a10b92d5d6705dc8239630bc0b3d5fe3c2bf6a0 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-03-27 (Tue, 27 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- A more complete connection migration (#1249) * Create new branch for migration PR (#1012) because unicorns are not nice. * remove overview. again. * sync * fix rebase * Martin's comments * fix ref * comments Commit: acd7db87c531f0ac3845200b8ea8622f4dd32a8f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/acd7db87c531f0ac3845200b8ea8622f4dd32a8f Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-03-27 (Tue, 27 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Probing packet (#1253) * probing packet * could * server, not endpoint Commit: 241027a72627ead7a3e3d13302c15e438a7ef053 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/241027a72627ead7a3e3d13302c15e438a7ef053 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2018-04-03 (Tue, 03 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Change CID after inactivity Commit: 00890b13f3a6b2221c9c6de50966e5b2af6945a7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/00890b13f3a6b2221c9c6de50966e5b2af6945a7 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2018-04-03 (Tue, 03 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Martin's precision Commit: cc42fe05157bd92ab8ddd7ca4d3c1fa76c4822f2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/cc42fe05157bd92ab8ddd7ca4d3c1fa76c4822f2 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-04-04 (Wed, 04 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1214 from quicwg/inactive_rebind Change CID after inactivity Commit: 922234ffba4239797b6b7da576a25e200920ac38 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/922234ffba4239797b6b7da576a25e200920ac38 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-04-04 (Wed, 04 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- merge master in rather than rebase Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/3386bf7cf304...922234ffba42 ----==_mimepart_5ac46a6675f18_7762aaeee9dbc101054d1-- From nobody Tue Apr 3 23:02:47 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC6D2127078 for ; 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I'm not a fan of making this sort of change. It seems that it's a product of the idiosyncratic API provided by picotls more than anything else.

Don't take that as an indictment on the goals of the API. I really like the idea that the details of determining keys and IVs are kept contained. I only wish that NSS were anywhere near as principled. We have to break the PKCS#11 boundary to get HKDF to work.

For mine, a more principled AEAD API would take two labels: one for the key and one for the label, and avoid baking in the specific details of the TLS HKDF info structure. A hacky API change could distinguish between a NULL hash and an empty hash.

In summation, I'd prefer not to have to explain to future users of QUIC that this isn't a null terminator on the string, but a product of a design decision made before QUIC even really existed.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -703,12 +703,13 @@ structure:
 struct {
    uint16 length = Length;
    opaque label<6..255> = "QUIC " + Label;
+   uint8 hashLength = 0;

This needs to be explained, or people will ask why the hash is zero length.

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----==_mimepart_5ac478c817c4e_1c3e2b181f758ed05164b2-- From nobody Wed Apr 4 00:07:28 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B26021270A7 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2018 00:07:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2kJcnrIgBIyc for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2018 00:07:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m71-131.mailgun.net (m71-131.mailgun.net [166.78.71.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 18010126CC4 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2018 00:07:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1522825644; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=s4EiPKWlDiS4l4ctuzuUtPdPGYO6Yz1s5uoAaPTDO0g=; b=aRkbEO9fQVqS7Fdglw/op0oeomXk9Xq5NnJ9E+f/63hXU6tltUgGx+jDooI//KwODCSpHOpS dfhPh9jp74nLgKOHKEv7klqmvVzGjK+W0gNyrp/QpCVF/SLUx4s+fuyjtCDTSvivsPVRaXdw go27/ElL0u07awsceFtKAZ1Iibg= X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.71.131 Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.253.29]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 5ac479ac.7f838050ade0-smtp-out-n03; Wed, 04 Apr 2018 07:07:24 -0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2018 00:07:23 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5ac479ab32b21_6aa52b28eb3edc0010297@hookshot-fe-b0febf1.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 5a9c98: Remove unnecessary text from #1253 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ac479ab32732_6aa52b28eb3edc00102879"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2018 07:07:27 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ac479ab32732_6aa52b28eb3edc00102879 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/fix-1253 Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 5a9c9880d8681fc4ec8e4edc810537a4950d2c48 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5a9c9880d8681fc4ec8e4edc810537a4950d2c48 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-04-04 (Wed, 04 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove unnecessary text from #1253 This paragraph: > A server MUST NOT send non-probing frames to a client's address until the server > receives a non-probing packet from that address. Is true only with the restriction of migration to client addresses. It complicates the server migration story if we ever want to do that (as we already have with the proposal for preferred addresses). Commit: d09ab773fd8af9ef8cbbdf9817b9e0d262c68340 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d09ab773fd8af9ef8cbbdf9817b9e0d262c68340 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-04-04 (Wed, 04 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- More flesh to the client-only migration text Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/5958fb25c607...d09ab773fd8a ----==_mimepart_5ac479ab32732_6aa52b28eb3edc00102879-- From nobody Wed Apr 4 01:12:27 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45D08126BF3 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2018 01:12:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r5-94lI5MMld for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2018 01:12:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m69-170.mailgun.net (m69-170.mailgun.net [166.78.69.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CE5F71201FA for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2018 01:12:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1522829545; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=Xue3em6kQX3PIbBM7aCck+X+xwroxkNTGz67+BVtUXk=; b=iwfyaS51WhwEnGtfAFf8fCdNep25vc0oSnkqhei3ghGXmmhVytexfkuqmbHSR6Ztb2sXIq4V ZIrj0/qz64ISulnpXkr+IA0zRU6jgQm8FvcadWBSrGlrvOZd3pa5Vq74GUupshk7XkTzTUeH D1384d500XRV+AK3aV6zE3wX5Ug= X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.69.170 Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.45]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 5ac488e9.7f27c59c5bd0-smtp-out-n03; Wed, 04 Apr 2018 08:12:25 -0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2018 01:12:24 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5ac488e8ed608_3b72af493acbc0c659e5@hookshot-fe-5a11256.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 17fab9: Add EXTENSION frame Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ac488e8ed233_3b72af493acbc0c658d2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2018 08:12:27 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ac488e8ed233_3b72af493acbc0c658d2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/ext-frame Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 17fab954ce904d093a26811103f5ceadd65594f8 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/17fab954ce904d093a26811103f5ceadd65594f8 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-04-04 (Wed, 04 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add EXTENSION frame Closes #58. Commit: 898bbe0f968c2d9d7387e2fa81f12609d907d646 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/898bbe0f968c2d9d7387e2fa81f12609d907d646 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-04-04 (Wed, 04 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Permanent, not non-provisional Commit: f07c778b0e67141482036a47e020c85662864011 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f07c778b0e67141482036a47e020c85662864011 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-04-04 (Wed, 04 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Revise design to use Victor's indirection Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/6fa50b4d53a6...f07c778b0e67 ----==_mimepart_5ac488e8ed233_3b72af493acbc0c658d2-- From nobody Wed Apr 4 01:13:31 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59292124205 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2018 01:13:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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----==_mimepart_5ac4894447ece_617d3fde1d0d4f2c308576-- From nobody Wed Apr 4 04:45:31 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6C4D127201 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2018 04:45:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IJasxdkvcA6i for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2018 04:45:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A8948127241 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2018 04:45:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=TCeJb5Jvg94VGAZOAt0MtKpS5Bk=; b=vfBP6XONF2BbeGjR qIzJpqe+d1pOvEqWUjZBoZxwqTs4bwbGuKdvPQFw/DEFcYA9Y8Xd/sz6/5NMLstx yZgUNwhlDQP1CqC4GUTIvO5KbG7nx3CvEYuFEyNaWebZLUD9Wl9SdsEI8I4ohy92 n595M4svpsDdRS3qcRljQjjRQw4= Received: by filter0011p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0011p1iad2-14217-5AC4BAD5-C 2018-04-04 11:45:25.403118711 +0000 UTC Received: from smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) by ismtpd0027p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id HZshR4TfSbeO1pnlSVbfJg for ; Wed, 04 Apr 2018 11:45:25.188 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2018 11:45:25 +0000 (UTC) From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] define compound packets (#1262) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ac4bad51004e_6f932b145fe9aec83279b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2feLvtPPZB+F32fr8gOinVImF8uA4qQRLsov xCMdMMcfIHi9v/dy/doJ9qZt0hMyhNPVv2DsHQ2R0pUxD9lgD74F9NMIi02qfoEJtYiuXey1/Sd58K k2DT3g584OvYQVuyTn17G5GyzzKHqhmTvczHBtJb16gTgnCxKytQQ0GAT4H1pwuCq706veyXkdKfF+ 8= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2018 11:45:29 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ac4bad51004e_6f932b145fe9aec83279b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/630#issuecomment-372985171 @janaiyengar wrote: > Discussed at editors' meeting. We seemed to agree on something like option 4, with some specific rules: create "compound packet types" which have a length, and encode HS+0RTT and HS+1RTT long header packet types. To keep packet processing simple, the long header can be repeated so that a receiver can process parts of the packet under different keys in a straightforward manner. > > This doesn't have to be the final resolution, but we should drive this issue to an end. > > @kazuho : Would you be interested in driving this? Would you be able to write up a PR with a proposed design (use the one above if you like that design) and propose to the wg? Thank you for your patience. This is the PR that does what is being suggested. Please take a look. Some notes: * a Compound-Initial packet is sent by client * a Compound-Handshake packet is sent by both endpoints * a client can use it to send 0-RTT data along with packets ACKing the server's handshake packets prior to ServerFinished * a server can use it to send 0.5-RTT data along with ServerFinished * a client can use it to send 1-RTT data along with ClientFinished * an endpoint is required to process the handshake portion of a compound packet even if the protected part is broken * the rationale behind is to not give an on-path attacker the chance of terminating the handshake simply by appending several bytes to the packet (currently, we require an on-path attacker to do AES based on the handshake protection key) You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1262 -- Commit Summary -- * define compound packets -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (39) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1262.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1262.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In #630 (comment) @janaiyengar wrote:

Discussed at editors' meeting. We seemed to agree on something like option 4, with some specific rules: create "compound packet types" which have a length, and encode HS+0RTT and HS+1RTT long header packet types. To keep packet processing simple, the long header can be repeated so that a receiver can process parts of the packet under different keys in a straightforward manner.

This doesn't have to be the final resolution, but we should drive this issue to an end.

@kazuho : Would you be interested in driving this? Would you be able to write up a PR with a proposed design (use the one above if you like that design) and propose to the wg?

Thank you for your patience. This is the PR that does what is being suggested. Please take a look.

Some notes:

  • a Compound-Initial packet is sent by client

  • a Compound-Handshake packet is sent by both endpoints

    • a client can use it to send 0-RTT data along with packets ACKing the server's handshake packets prior to ServerFinished
    • a server can use it to send 0.5-RTT data along with ServerFinished
    • a client can use it to send 1-RTT data along with ClientFinished

  • an endpoint is required to process the handshake portion of a compound packet even if the protected part is broken

    • the rationale behind is to not give an on-path attacker the chance of terminating the handshake simply by appending several bytes to the packet (currently, we require an on-path attacker to do AES based on the handshake protection key)

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1262

Commit Summary

  • define compound packets

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For mine, a more principled AEAD API would take two labels: one for th= e key and one for the label, and avoid baking in the specific details of = the TLS HKDF info structure. A hacky API change could distinguish between= a NULL hash and an empty hash.

In summation, I'd prefer not to have to explain to future users of QUI= C that this isn't a null terminator on the string, but a product of a des= ign decision made before QUIC even really existed.

Thank you for your comments. While I understand and have sympathy to y= our arguments, I wonder if there's a strong reason to divert from the str= ucture defined in TLS 1.3 considering the fact that the quic-tls draft de= pends on TLS 1.3.

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@dtikhonov commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +| 0x02        | CONNECTION_CLOSE   | {{frame-connection-close}}  |
+| 0x03        | APPLICATION_CLOSE  | {{frame-application-close}} |
+| 0x04        | MAX_DATA           | {{frame-max-data}}          |
+| 0x05        | MAX_STREAM_DATA    | {{frame-max-stream-data}}   |
+| 0x06        | MAX_STREAM_ID      | {{frame-max-stream-id}}     |
+| 0x07        | PING               | {{frame-ping}}              |
+| 0x08        | BLOCKED            | {{frame-blocked}}           |
+| 0x09        | STREAM_BLOCKED     | {{frame-stream-blocked}}    |
+| 0x0a        | STREAM_ID_BLOCKED  | {{frame-stream-id-blocked}} |
+| 0x0b        | NEW_CONNECTION_ID  | {{frame-new-connection-id}} |
+| 0x0c        | STOP_SENDING       | {{frame-stop-sending}}      |
+| 0x0d        | ACK                | {{frame-ack}}               |
+| 0x0e        | PATH_CHALLENGE     | {{frame-path-challenge}}    |
+| 0x0f        | PATH_RESPONSE      | {{frame-path-response}}     |
+| 0x10 - 0x17 | STREAM             | {{frame-stream}}            |
+| 0x80 - 0xff | (extension frames) | {{frame-extension}}         |

Maybe save 0xFF for a "super-extension" to allow for more than 128 extended frames?

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----==_mimepart_5ac4c4bee5d4b_7bf02aeea0508ed09341f-- From nobody Wed Apr 4 05:59:24 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE1A12741D for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2018 05:59:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8U7YTpQT6BJO for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2018 05:59:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 346B1127333 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2018 05:59:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2018 05:59:20 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1522846760; bh=sbq3x1TM+Jgdbdm2F9rM1sAoM8cjwrAH9PkinCsH5m8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=1Ov/MkMOWh9eBjPmvwtUjQy8UGbsmoQvs4q7yDaGxnlEMURJXFsiAt13lhk3zc9/s cBlhvYWUxtCNUiB/z1vVLmOQVCWsUWu24haM7AE78Tx3WyklS4MSBDRS84IDng578q SNIQq4z9twhUu4EUNKJX+eixst6HPA6oXtNdDTiM= From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Tls restore compat (#1256) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ac4cc281b559_501e3faefd61cf38106318"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2018 12:59:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ac4cc281b559_501e3faefd61cf38106318 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's not just PicoTLS. This is an issue for Minq as well. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1256#issuecomment-378590889 ----==_mimepart_5ac4cc281b559_501e3faefd61cf38106318 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

It's not just PicoTLS. This is an issue for Minq as well.

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I'm not a huge fan of this design, for two reasons:

  1. The mapping seems complex, and really only serves to save a few bytes. A= s I think I observed in Melbourne, given that QUIC already has variable len= gth integers and we are only presently defining a very small number of fram= e types, why don't simply declare the frame type to be a varint. Then we wi= ll have an unlimited number of extension frame types, and we can assign low= (hence short) frame types to anything that becomes a standard (thus not pa= ying any bytes there) and non-standard frame types can just use longer numb= ers, without any mapping.

  2. Because this design couples frame type negotiation and its code point, t= hat means that if you want to negotiate parameters for the use of extension= frames, you then need a separate transport parameters negotiation for = that

I'm certainly sympathetic for people's desire to not have a bunch of tra= nsport parameters messages whose only purpose is to signal "I support featu= re X" (this is kind of an annoyance in TLS) but I think that can actually b= e dealt with in a cleaner way: Simply have TP contain a list of numbers (va= rints) which define the features that you are advertising. This wouldn't be= the only way to do things and so if you had a feature that needed negotiat= ion, you could still do it that way, but simple features could be indicated= this way.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1489,7 +1489,9 @@ Differences in routing on the Internet might cause the same destination address
 and connection ID to reach a different server instance which does not posses the
 necessary connection state. Receiving a Stateless Reset in response to a probing
 packet SHOULD NOT terminate the connection, but MUST cause the endpoint to
-consider path validation to have failed.
+consider path validation to have failed.  After receiving a Stateless Reset, the
+client MUST NOT send additional packets with the Connection ID used on the
+probing packet.

with high probability.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1489,7 +1489,9 @@ Differences in routing on the Internet might cause the same destination address
 and connection ID to reach a different server instance which does not posses the
 necessary connection state. Receiving a Stateless Reset in response to a probing
 packet SHOULD NOT terminate the connection, but MUST cause the endpoint to
-consider path validation to have failed.
+consider path validation to have failed.  After receiving a Stateless Reset, the
+client MUST NOT send additional packets with the Connection ID used on the
+probing packet.

With high probability what? This isn't a statement that you probably reached the wrong server, it's a normative requirement that the client abandon the path if a certain response occurs.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1489,7 +1489,9 @@ Differences in routing on the Internet might cause the same destination address
 and connection ID to reach a different server instance which does not posses the
 necessary connection state. Receiving a Stateless Reset in response to a probing
 packet SHOULD NOT terminate the connection, but MUST cause the endpoint to
-consider path validation to have failed.
+consider path validation to have failed.  After receiving a Stateless Reset, the
+client MUST NOT send additional packets with the Connection ID used on the
+probing packet.

When you create new connections, you use a random connection ID. If "high probability" is not there, it means that you have to log all previous connections and test against those, otherwise you can just assume the random ID is unlikely to collide, but if it does, the world will continue to exist as best as it can.

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Good start -- a few comments, but I think this is the right general outline. > @@ -364,6 +364,8 @@ keys are established. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Packet Number (32) | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| [Payload Length (16)] | ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Payload (*) ... Totally editorial: You could put Payload in the second half of the previous line to avoid having a jagged illustration. Variable-length fields like Payload don't have to have any particular width. > @@ -678,6 +687,34 @@ packet protection in detail. After decryption, the plaintext consists of a sequence of frames, as described in {{frames}}. +## Compound Packets {#packet-compound} + +Compound packets allow the sender to assemble an Initial ({{packet-initial}}) I might use a different verb than "assemble"; perhaps "combine"? > @@ -678,6 +687,34 @@ packet protection in detail. After decryption, the plaintext consists of a sequence of frames, as described in {{frames}}. +## Compound Packets {#packet-compound} + +Compound packets allow the sender to assemble an Initial ({{packet-initial}}) +or a Handshake ({{packet-handshake}}) packet and a Protected +({{packet-protected}}) packet into one UDP packet, thereby reducing the number +of packets required to be emitted when application data can be sent during the +handshake. Question, and important to discuss either way: When sending Compound Initial + 0-RTT, does the minimum packet size apply to the entire compound and not just the Initial section? If so, might be worth mentioning that one intended use-case of this is to meet the minimum with 0-RTT data instead of PADDING. > +Compound packets allow the sender to assemble an Initial ({{packet-initial}}) +or a Handshake ({{packet-handshake}}) packet and a Protected +({{packet-protected}}) packet into one UDP packet, thereby reducing the number +of packets required to be emitted when application data can be sent during the +handshake. + +A Compound-Initial packet is identical to an Initial packet with the exception +being that it has the Payload Length field. The field designates the length of +the payload of the Initial packet. The remainder of the UDP packet contains a +0-RTT Protected packet. + +A Compound-Handshake packet is identical to a Handshake packet with the +exception being that it has the Payload Length field. The field designates the +length of the payload of the Handshake packet. The remainder of the UDP packet +contains either a 0-RTT Protected packet or a short header packet +({{short-header}}). It might be worth explaining or giving an example that all the packet header fields are there for the subsequent packet. If that includes the type, by the way, you probably don't actually have to specify what type will be there, since the packet will declare it. > +the payload of the Initial packet. The remainder of the UDP packet contains a +0-RTT Protected packet. + +A Compound-Handshake packet is identical to a Handshake packet with the +exception being that it has the Payload Length field. The field designates the +length of the payload of the Handshake packet. The remainder of the UDP packet +contains either a 0-RTT Protected packet or a short header packet +({{short-header}}). + +The sender MUST NOT assemble QUIC packets belonging to different QUIC +connections into a single Compound packet. + +The receiver of a Compound packet MUST individually process the Cryptographic +Handshake packet and the Protected packet being contained. It MUST process the +Cryptographic Handshake packet of a Compound packet even when the Protected +packet being contained is deemed invalid. I think I'd simplify away these terms for the sections of the packet. Simply say that the thing which follows is processed as a separate packet, which might be discarded, buffered, or processed depending on the receiver's current state. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@MikeBishop commented on this pull request.

Good start -- a few comments, but I think this is the right general outline.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -364,6 +364,8 @@ keys are established.
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
 |                       Packet Number (32)                      |
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|     [Payload Length (16)]     |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
 |                          Payload (*)                        ...

Totally editorial: You could put Payload in the second half of the previous line to avoid having a jagged illustration. Variable-length fields like Payload don't have to have any particular width.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -678,6 +687,34 @@ packet protection in detail.  After decryption, the plaintext consists of a
 sequence of frames, as described in {{frames}}.
 
 
+## Compound Packets {#packet-compound}
+
+Compound packets allow the sender to assemble an Initial ({{packet-initial}})

I might use a different verb than "assemble"; perhaps "combine"?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -678,6 +687,34 @@ packet protection in detail.  After decryption, the plaintext consists of a
 sequence of frames, as described in {{frames}}.
 
 
+## Compound Packets {#packet-compound}
+
+Compound packets allow the sender to assemble an Initial ({{packet-initial}})
+or a Handshake ({{packet-handshake}}) packet and a Protected
+({{packet-protected}}) packet into one UDP packet, thereby reducing the number
+of packets required to be emitted when application data can be sent during the
+handshake.

Question, and important to discuss either way: When sending Compound Initial + 0-RTT, does the minimum packet size apply to the entire compound and not just the Initial section? If so, might be worth mentioning that one intended use-case of this is to meet the minimum with 0-RTT data instead of PADDING.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +Compound packets allow the sender to assemble an Initial ({{packet-initial}})
+or a Handshake ({{packet-handshake}}) packet and a Protected
+({{packet-protected}}) packet into one UDP packet, thereby reducing the number
+of packets required to be emitted when application data can be sent during the
+handshake.
+
+A Compound-Initial packet is identical to an Initial packet with the exception
+being that it has the Payload Length field.  The field designates the length of
+the payload of the Initial packet.  The remainder of the UDP packet contains a
+0-RTT Protected packet.
+
+A Compound-Handshake packet is identical to a Handshake packet with the
+exception being that it has the Payload Length field.  The field designates the
+length of the payload of the Handshake packet.  The remainder of the UDP packet
+contains either a 0-RTT Protected packet or a short header packet
+({{short-header}}).

It might be worth explaining or giving an example that all the packet header fields are there for the subsequent packet. If that includes the type, by the way, you probably don't actually have to specify what type will be there, since the packet will declare it.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +the payload of the Initial packet.  The remainder of the UDP packet contains a
+0-RTT Protected packet.
+
+A Compound-Handshake packet is identical to a Handshake packet with the
+exception being that it has the Payload Length field.  The field designates the
+length of the payload of the Handshake packet.  The remainder of the UDP packet
+contains either a 0-RTT Protected packet or a short header packet
+({{short-header}}).
+
+The sender MUST NOT assemble QUIC packets belonging to different QUIC
+connections into a single Compound packet.
+
+The receiver of a Compound packet MUST individually process the Cryptographic
+Handshake packet and the Protected packet being contained.  It MUST process the
+Cryptographic Handshake packet of a Compound packet even when the Protected
+packet being contained is deemed invalid.

I think I'd simplify away these terms for the sections of the packet. Simply say that the thing which follows is processed as a separate packet, which might be discarded, buffered, or processed depending on the receiver's current state.

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I do not have a strong opinion on if we should use TP for negotiating = extensions, however I agree with @ekr that doing = some negotiation in TP and some by using frames seems awkward to me. It m= ight make sense to do all in TP or do all in frames (as we have done in H= TTP/2).

I have two other concerns about the proposed approach.

The first concern is the approach expecting an extension to always int= roduce a new frame type. I wonder if that assumption would always be true= . Consider the case when we would have a different PNE mechanism. Use of = the mechanism needs to be negotiated. However, it would not introduce a n= ew frame; since it just changes how the packet is formatted. Therefore, I= 'd prefer defining a mapping that maps a feature to zero or more= frame IDs, rather than a one-to-one mapping.

The second concern is frame_type getting ossified. Consider the case w= hen we adopt the first extension named Foo. Implementations that only sup= port Foo will likely assign 0x80 as the frame_type (endpoints can unilate= rally declare the mapping). The same frame_type (0x80) will be used to de= signate the same extension, when sending and receiving. My fear = is that I doubt if we can be sure that all the implementations will work = correctly even in case different frame_types are assigned for sending and= receiving the extension in such scenario. However, unless all implementa= tions succeed in implementing it correctly, the frame_type will become os= sified. Therefore, I'd prefer greasing the frame_type.

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Bogus PATH_RESPONSE in a Handshake packet seems like an obvious DoS attack.

Also, I added some language about storing PATH_CHALLENGE data for a really long time if we're going to send an error. I would actually prefer that we get rid of this error code entirely, as it seems like a great way to accidentally tear down connections when the new path's RTT is way higher than expected.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -364,6 +364,8 @@ keys are established.
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
 |                       Packet Number (32)                      |
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|     [Payload Length (16)]     |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
 |                          Payload (*)                        ...

Thank you very much for the review. I've fixed this in a52715a. I will address other issues later (hopefully tomorrow).

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1489,7 +1489,9 @@ Differences in routing on the Internet might cause the same destination address
 and connection ID to reach a different server instance which does not posses the
 necessary connection state. Receiving a Stateless Reset in response to a probing
 packet SHOULD NOT terminate the connection, but MUST cause the endpoint to
-consider path validation to have failed.
+consider path validation to have failed.  After receiving a Stateless Reset, the
+client MUST NOT send additional packets with the Connection ID used on the
+probing packet.

I'm not following. This text isn't about new connections, and the CID isn't random -- it's supplied by the server.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +the payload of the Initial packet.  The remainder of the UDP packet contains a
+0-RTT Protected packet.
+
+A Compound-Handshake packet is identical to a Handshake packet with the
+exception being that it has the Payload Length field.  The field designates the
+length of the payload of the Handshake packet.  The remainder of the UDP packet
+contains either a 0-RTT Protected packet or a short header packet
+({{short-header}}).
+
+The sender MUST NOT assemble QUIC packets belonging to different QUIC
+connections into a single Compound packet.
+
+The receiver of a Compound packet MUST individually process the Cryptographic
+Handshake packet and the Protected packet being contained.  It MUST process the
+Cryptographic Handshake packet of a Compound packet even when the Protected
+packet being contained is deemed invalid.

...and contains its own packet number, and therefore gets acknowledged separately.

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@MikeBishop approved this pull request.

Happier with this version. Thanks.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1569,12 +1569,15 @@ An endpoint MUST NOT initiate connection migration before the handshake is
 finished and the endpoint has 1-RTT keys.
 
 This document limits migration of connections to new client addresses.
-Migrating a connection to a new server address is left for future work. If a
-client receives packets from an unknown server address, the client MAY discard
-these packets.
+Additionally, clients are responsible for initiating all migrations.  Servers
+do not send non-probing packets (see {{probing}}) toward a client address until
+it sees a non-probing packet from that address.  Additionally, if a client

Two "additionally"s in three lines seems a bit redundant, as well as repetitive. Perhaps drop the second one?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1489,7 +1489,9 @@ Differences in routing on the Internet might cause the same destination address
 and connection ID to reach a different server instance which does not posses the
 necessary connection state. Receiving a Stateless Reset in response to a probing
 packet SHOULD NOT terminate the connection, but MUST cause the endpoint to
-consider path validation to have failed.
+consider path validation to have failed.  After receiving a Stateless Reset, the
+client MUST NOT send additional packets with the Connection ID used on the
+probing packet.

If you create a new Initial packet for a new connection, you use a random CID before using the server provided CID. If you consider this a separate namespace, then your are right. And if you are only referring to the current connection you are also right. But otherwise you risk accidentially creating an already used ID in a new connection, and with, say, 32 bit CID's it is non-neglectible.

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Now that I read EKR's comment, I believe he might be correct. Or maybe n= ot. Defining the frame type as a varint would remove the need for dynamic m= apping. On the other hand, there will still be a need for a negotiation, to= check whether the option is actually supported by the peer. The implementa= tion in C would be:

  1. With the current mapping definition, use a table of function pointers to= map the extension frame type to the type specific coding/processing functi= ons. The mapping table is filled up when processing the TP parameter. Unuse= d values point to some error code.

  2. With the varint coding of frame type, add some tests for varint decoding= . Use switch statements with fixed values to point to the implementation-su= pported extensions. Use a table of booleans to indicate which implementatio= n-supported extensions are valid for the connection. The boolean table is f= illed up when processing the TP parameter. Unsupported values and non negot= iated values point to some error code.

This seems pretty similar in term of complexity. I am not enthusiastic a= bout varint decoding of frame types, and I think if would only be needed if= some application required more that 128 extension frames simultaneously fo= r a given connection. All things considered, I like the currently proposed = design.

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= ----==_mimepart_5ac524349c05b_176103fcd69f1af382277a5-- From nobody Wed Apr 4 13:59:06 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF0E2127AD4 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2018 13:59:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.606 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.606 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JJAAJCHHIly6 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2018 13:59:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46294126BF0 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2018 13:59:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=kexEpb0x98jQbpXzkBLwG6jA0SQ=; b=JELWKIinFvXXArlV +XwUHY1aFZkNMR7VYREahbFBj9cl02H0bTEN4oqOn8bCN79mv5/PEhae/zEWyk4L aEJo9FTInOqZDVpKJoIOpZSJno42bV27xBC3pd4JqeP5sjfeUOvYBnkMeau8TF5H C8KhlxOxFJFNUIdKVpHzvSTZoMk= Received: by filter0579p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0579p1iad2-15858-5AC53C95-34 2018-04-04 20:59:02.007982511 +0000 UTC Received: from smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) by ismtpd0043p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id LmNBygrsSxu16xMT3V9vvA for ; Wed, 04 Apr 2018 20:59:02.059 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2018 20:59:02 +0000 (UTC) From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Stateless Reset during Path Migration (#1259) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ac53c95ba665_519c3f9fe90ecf2c61032"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2pKGdlZOdqERd3xnIyzwD7DlXedkBdZgVzLr cCelJGe05aPMJEZISU3VMjPYFwX9SPbt6lbSk5immQfR38kmb3PZnAPPvs0CsfzcRPEFLW1cq7VeCm qHDwlor1O7rK5K97cHH2vPW48Z8bC9q0QNuA4BxyM8djCvPnJSSs9GO0ui2m/20NdyfGdQqDzJ/xFa k= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2018 20:59:05 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ac53c95ba665_519c3f9fe90ecf2c61032 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MikeBishop commented on this pull request. > @@ -1489,7 +1489,9 @@ Differences in routing on the Internet might cause the same destination address and connection ID to reach a different server instance which does not posses the necessary connection state. Receiving a Stateless Reset in response to a probing packet SHOULD NOT terminate the connection, but MUST cause the endpoint to -consider path validation to have failed. +consider path validation to have failed. After receiving a Stateless Reset, the +client MUST NOT send additional packets with the Connection ID used on the +probing packet. Given that this text is about path validation using probing packets, yes, I'm assuming we're only talking about the current connection. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1259#discussion_r179281130 ----==_mimepart_5ac53c95ba665_519c3f9fe90ecf2c61032 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1489,7 +1489,9 @@ Differences in routing on the Internet might cause the same destination address
 and connection ID to reach a different server instance which does not posses the
 necessary connection state. Receiving a Stateless Reset in response to a probing
 packet SHOULD NOT terminate the connection, but MUST cause the endpoint to
-consider path validation to have failed.
+consider path validation to have failed.  After receiving a Stateless Reset, the
+client MUST NOT send additional packets with the Connection ID used on the
+probing packet.

Given that this text is about path validation using probing packets, yes, I'm assuming we're only talking about the current connection.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1489,7 +1489,9 @@ Differences in routing on the Internet might cause the same destination address
 and connection ID to reach a different server instance which does not posses the
 necessary connection state. Receiving a Stateless Reset in response to a probing
 packet SHOULD NOT terminate the connection, but MUST cause the endpoint to
-consider path validation to have failed.
+consider path validation to have failed.  After receiving a Stateless Reset, the
+client MUST NOT send additional packets with the Connection ID used on the
+probing packet.

Ah, I think I see what you're saying now. If the prohibition is read as "you must never use this CID again for anything ever," then the client would be obligated to keep such CIDs persisted and make sure that it never has a randomly-chosen initial CID on a future connection which happens to collide with a CID that got a stateless reset at some point on a past connection. Yeah, this prohibition is connection-scoped, because now the Stateless Reset token has been leaked and it's vulnerable to packet injection attacks.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1489,7 +1489,9 @@ Differences in routing on the Internet might cause the same destination address
 and connection ID to reach a different server instance which does not posses the
 necessary connection state. Receiving a Stateless Reset in response to a probing
 packet SHOULD NOT terminate the connection, but MUST cause the endpoint to
-consider path validation to have failed.
+consider path validation to have failed.  After receiving a Stateless Reset, the
+client MUST NOT send additional packets with the Connection ID used on the
+probing packet.

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#1259 might introduce a new potential vulnerability while closing a different one. SR tokens are single-use -- once they're disclosed to the network, the CID is burned because now anyone on-path has the token. But that's generally okay, because the connection will be closing anyway.

Now consider:

  • Client has connection to server using CID1 on Path A
  • Client probes server using CID2 on Path B
  • Probe is misdirected (different server endpoint), which generates and responds with a Stateless Reset for CID2, leaking the SR token
  • Attacker guesses that CID1 on Path A might be the same connection as CID2 on Path B and injects a Stateless Reset on Path B with the same token

Depending how the client processes this, the connection might be terminated by the attacker. If the client checks the SR token against the set of CIDs which have been associated with this connection, it will find it and close this connection. To guard against this, an implementation needs to use a CID on only one path and consider only stateless reset tokens for CIDs which have been used on the path where the SR was received within a reasonably recent time period.

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Another attack to consider along similar lines: If an active attacker o= bserves the CID being used by a client, sends a packet with that CID to a d= ifferent server endpoint that shares the same SR token algorithm/key, then = it can get the other endpoint to effectively be an oracle for the stateless= reset token. It can then inject a Stateless Reset with the token into the= current connection.

One mitigation would be to say that it's the server deployment's problem= -- you should have different SR token-generation keys between different en= dpoints. Another is to require that a Stateless Reset was sent by someone = who had both a specific packet you sent and the token, without disclosing t= he token in a form that could be adapted to a different rejected packet.

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I think that the name is wrong. Compound implies that there are multiple packets in the one packet. Which is true, but not from the perspective of the Initial or Handshake packet that is included, which is where the label is applied.

That is, rename the packet types to something like Initial-With-Length. The section title is fine.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -678,6 +685,34 @@ packet protection in detail.  After decryption, the plaintext consists of a
 sequence of frames, as described in {{frames}}.
 
 
+## Compound Packets {#packet-compound}
+
+Compound packets allow the sender to assemble an Initial ({{packet-initial}})
+or a Handshake ({{packet-handshake}}) packet and a Protected
+({{packet-protected}}) packet into one UDP packet, thereby reducing the number
+of packets required to be emitted when application data can be sent during the
+handshake.
+
+A Compound-Initial packet is identical to an Initial packet with the exception
+being that it has the Payload Length field.  The field designates the length of
+the payload of the Initial packet.  The remainder of the UDP packet contains a
+0-RTT Protected packet.

What if the remainder of the packet doesn't contain a 0-RTT packet?

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Is true only with the restriction of migration to client addresses. It complicates the server migration story if we ever want to do that (as we already have with the proposal for preferred addresses). Commit: d09ab773fd8af9ef8cbbdf9817b9e0d262c68340 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d09ab773fd8af9ef8cbbdf9817b9e0d262c68340 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-04-04 (Wed, 04 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- More flesh to the client-only migration text Commit: 36aa38566603ddcdc8ccb549aec305cc6e102763 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/36aa38566603ddcdc8ccb549aec305cc6e102763 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-04-05 (Thu, 05 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Additionally, remove additionally Commit: 27e2ffb443d7ee3a2f7a04710ae6f098dd97e4a9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/27e2ffb443d7ee3a2f7a04710ae6f098dd97e4a9 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-04-05 (Thu, 05 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1254 from quicwg/fix-1253 Remove unnecessary text from #1253 Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/cc42fe05157b...27e2ffb443d7 ----==_mimepart_5ac58ca671c0_59962afa60133c0858082-- From nobody Wed Apr 4 19:41:20 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 580A9129BBF for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2018 19:41:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rEtaVchWBO8J for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2018 19:41:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D608412426E for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2018 19:41:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=TQiNTbOurpN4BLvi1AWhm5H2TVc=; b=BrpSbiMZFr2SXc9Q /6LNFeucuFWsV5rLFZ+Lxeep+NWaKBQUJNfCd5Qvs9F7cGMY+m8uK5MV3i8g3Zfc u2aQCa1baReim0JHYeL3ZcLSO7W6SVidooghA6eNQ0XpnPmGWLItCkM9MH4Wd7hx ORoreQAvOhKAUtNRUv4PZpoQe+Q= Received: by filter0286p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0286p1las1-23558-5AC58CA8-13 2018-04-05 02:40:40.566828086 +0000 UTC Received: from smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) by ismtpd0045p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id utVgNclKR92QMScwVBHI2w for ; Thu, 05 Apr 2018 02:40:40.465 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2018 02:40:40 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove unnecessary text from #1253 (#1254) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ac58ca8341c2_43ed3fa66a5daf34124033"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3NnqiNzlAjV5kXVwRozhALf01uNhmL8KyVrF LUR8zSLUswBLfae3CYypQI/WWkesqD+OYB69ZNPUbx8qU/Lf6V6xv9DO3G0em5gn36hj1ydx39F7Sp fvqEZ2KChec2YnilnWxuFIFBqEllvBYqlDugETwK3kVK7ZgPUvklBIpOfnWNmU58g84dQ5A+s2vl7X 8= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2018 02:41:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ac58ca8341c2_43ed3fa66a5daf34124033 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merged #1254. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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----==_mimepart_5ac58ca8341c2_43ed3fa66a5daf34124033-- From nobody Wed Apr 4 19:52:36 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4037C127077 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2018 19:52:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dDyDLlt6gmzc for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2018 19:52:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9BD76124319 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2018 19:52:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=Ze9FA8ReMMO2h/IBsXRnirBPUv8=; b=E4FhSXOFy9VjXFj1 oOC1ExNkBhkfHaYxId+MhqiRzPPOV2wb//RXADPgUDKF1f/YY/ZSUIu7W1ds4pG2 egBe1Bb7cv/RD8s4+DnNOYDDr8nF5hFKYQCo1siMPchrBR3z0eH4ElFjAlCLRXnJ X1lGQgMHz9lUWgoN2CWgz2d7UD8= Received: by filter1223p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1223p1mdw1-11924-5AC58F6E-10 2018-04-05 02:52:30.73360929 +0000 UTC Received: from smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) by ismtpd0012p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id MveqOYZfRmmiD3h3SW84lA for ; Thu, 05 Apr 2018 02:52:30.770 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2018 02:52:30 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Extension frames (#1068) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ac58f6e96943_72753fde15ed0f34763f2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3WkelM42GZZqh/y6aVb/B0XRLlthOF8kxxlA zPRzJ/CyVEQAtez+hA6r1ebfHrna7ohz8JFYuw5PXipHQiTTrUE4WQ1U8Exdx7M4VaP5sLVe/ad98z R6nulwILyXhmaC+KPsbCqUzEOMHKJBJZkz+tzAb83qd8d2fyn+G1My8o4Ip5HRiChtmsmkFYyTsCuP 4= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2018 02:52:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ac58f6e96943_72753fde15ed0f34763f2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just to clear something up: this establishes what frames mean. It is NOT feature negotiation. If, as in @kazuho's example, we want to add a new packet number encryption scheme, we could do that with a new transport parameter. It makes no sense to do this. If we want to add simple feature negotiation, then we would do that with empty extensions, or as @ekr suggests with a single "feature list" extension. Again, it makes no sense to use this mechanism for that unless those features also use frames. And there I can see the potential for duplication and overlap: if a feature needs to negotiate use of frames, then it can use this mechanism and it probably doesn't need a separate negotiation mechanism. If the feature doesn't use frames, then it can use its own mechanism (or a feature list extension if we added that). But if the new feature also has parameters, it needs to use both this mechanism and a separate transport parameter. This mechanism does in a sense overlap with a feature's own negotiation, or a feature list mechanism if you think of it that way. I don't think that's such a big problem though. I'm undecided on the varint idea. It seems to critically depend on also having a length field on every frame. I suspect that this is what @ekr wants, but I have heard pretty strong opposition to that notion from others. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1068#issuecomment-378805572 ----==_mimepart_5ac58f6e96943_72753fde15ed0f34763f2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Just to clear something up: this establishes what frames mean. It is NO= T feature negotiation. If, as in @kazuho's example,= we want to add a new packet number encryption scheme, we could do that wit= h a new transport parameter. It makes no sense to do this.

If we want to add simple feature negotiation, then we would do that with= empty extensions, or as @ekr suggests with a singl= e "feature list" extension. Again, it makes no sense to use this mechanism= for that unless those features also use frames.

And there I can see the potential for duplication and overlap: if a feat= ure needs to negotiate use of frames, then it can use this mechanism and it= probably doesn't need a separate negotiation mechanism. If the feature do= esn't use frames, then it can use its own mechanism (or a feature list exte= nsion if we added that). But if the new feature also has parameters, it ne= eds to use both this mechanism and a separate transport parameter. This me= chanism does in a sense overlap with a feature's own negotiation, or a feat= ure list mechanism if you think of it that way. I don't think that's such = a big problem though.

I'm undecided on the varint idea. It seems to critically depend on also= having a length field on every frame. I suspect that this is what @ekr wants, but I have heard pretty strong opposition to tha= t notion from others.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +| 0x02        | CONNECTION_CLOSE   | {{frame-connection-close}}  |
+| 0x03        | APPLICATION_CLOSE  | {{frame-application-close}} |
+| 0x04        | MAX_DATA           | {{frame-max-data}}          |
+| 0x05        | MAX_STREAM_DATA    | {{frame-max-stream-data}}   |
+| 0x06        | MAX_STREAM_ID      | {{frame-max-stream-id}}     |
+| 0x07        | PING               | {{frame-ping}}              |
+| 0x08        | BLOCKED            | {{frame-blocked}}           |
+| 0x09        | STREAM_BLOCKED     | {{frame-stream-blocked}}    |
+| 0x0a        | STREAM_ID_BLOCKED  | {{frame-stream-id-blocked}} |
+| 0x0b        | NEW_CONNECTION_ID  | {{frame-new-connection-id}} |
+| 0x0c        | STOP_SENDING       | {{frame-stop-sending}}      |
+| 0x0d        | ACK                | {{frame-ack}}               |
+| 0x0e        | PATH_CHALLENGE     | {{frame-path-challenge}}    |
+| 0x0f        | PATH_RESPONSE      | {{frame-path-response}}     |
+| 0x10 - 0x17 | STREAM             | {{frame-stream}}            |
+| 0x80 - 0xff | (extension frames) | {{frame-extension}}         |

As opposed to...say 0x7f, which remains unassigned? I'd say that if we haven't changed the QUIC version number by that point, something went (badly) wrong.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1490,8 +1490,8 @@ and connection ID to reach a different server instance which does not posses the
 necessary connection state. Receiving a Stateless Reset in response to a probing
 packet SHOULD NOT terminate the connection, but MUST cause the endpoint to
 consider path validation to have failed.  After receiving a Stateless Reset, the
-client MUST NOT send additional packets with the Connection ID used on the
-probing packet.
+client MUST NOT send additional packets on the same connection the Connection ID

missing a word here somewhere

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----==_mimepart_5ac5900fcc0de_67242b168158eec833756-- From nobody Wed Apr 4 20:12:40 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FC251243FE for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2018 20:12:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aHcpg63I-C0v for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2018 20:12:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C729120725 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2018 20:12:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=uiwyDdVRsIga+WFA3KQk/v6vvDU=; b=gKGffjdrQI0UyahD rwFDD7PBhwzHHMbicG9QYXMrC28Iwya2KFt1AE08lVK6vC0QYnNwHteQjzh2ulGr G3lAdLy0v4ozfNKC+2BrL2nnnV+njXzSGIf/hiiLyPGnTgDdTQkD4FVR7qb4SlGo hgLyzzl2q0+bD8vMuHm0DzGJ/vQ= Received: by filter0241p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0241p1las1-10923-5AC5940F-E 2018-04-05 03:12:15.949850709 +0000 UTC Received: from smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id sJwaFgM7TzuJfRMQlceyNw for ; Thu, 05 Apr 2018 03:12:15.786 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2018 03:12:16 +0000 (UTC) From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Extension frames (#1068) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ac5940fadfff_1db583fbda9c68f301323df"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3JapFLJpEe3Oqsyyd7mlgfIIL0D2Df17v2NE GzAJRimTfFV4VYtdY+j0hHTxver0glU2qyg2LLUnzgnkwRVx+SAwQc3pwIEZ2OoqaOOIr3UTGAxGLv XByqpmt7gJe0RvJStIHfjQ9dMyMTjQBqlKnF0VnsZm0Mlr9R9sjUYe0xSQ== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2018 03:12:39 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ac5940fadfff_1db583fbda9c68f301323df Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 7:52 PM, Martin Thomson wrote: > Just to clear something up: this establishes what frames mean. It is NOT > feature negotiation. If, as in @kazuho 's > example, we want to add a new packet number encryption scheme, we could do > that with a new transport parameter. It makes no sense to do this. > Well, as you acknowledge below, it is feature negotiation for features that need new frames. I'm undecided on the varint idea. It seems to critically depend on also > having a length field on every frame. I suspect that this is what @ekr > wants, but I have heard pretty strong opposition > to that notion from others. > Why does it depend on having a length field for the frame? You would still be forbidden from sending non-negotiated frame types. The varint is just a hack to keep the size of the type byte down. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1068#issuecomment-378808162 ----==_mimepart_5ac5940fadfff_1db583fbda9c68f301323df Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 7:52 PM, Martin Thomson <notifications@github.com= >
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> Just to clear something up: this establishes what frames mean. It is N= OT
> feature negotiation. If, as in @kazuho <https://github.com/kazuho&g= t;'s
> example, we want to add a new packet number encryption scheme, we coul= d do
> that with a new transport parameter. It makes no sense to do this.
>
Well, as you acknowledge below, it is feature negotiation for features that=
need new frames.

I'm undecided on the varint idea. It seems to critically depend on also=
> having a length field on every frame. I suspect that this is what @ekr=
> <https://github.com/ekr> wants, but I have heard pretty strong o= pposition
> to that notion from others.
>
Why does it depend on having a length field for the frame? You would still<= br> be forbidden from sending non-negotiated frame types. The varint is just a<= br> hack to keep the size of the type byte down.

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If the content of a PATH_RESPONSE frame does not match the content of
a PATH_CHALLENGE frame previously sent by the endpoint, the endpoint
MAY generate a connection error of type UNSOLICITED_PATH_RESPONSE.

I think this is a footgun - we should just say MUST ignore.

PATH_RESPONSE is not sent reliably but PATH_CHALLENGES are regenerated as needed. So you've got a non-deterministic system because you have to timeout things.

If we want to keep the error then I think these frames ought to be considered reliable so a deterministic call can be made.

But I think the better route is to just ignore a RESPONSE you're not going to do anything with.

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I know it says MAY - I just think this is mostly an opportunity for a broken implementation with very little upside... so bad design.

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In section 5.4 of the TLS doc, it says that packets are protected using:

either the client packet protection key (client_pp_key_<i>) or the server packet protection key (server_pp_key_<i>), derived as defined in Section 5.3.

...except that the terms "client_pp_key" and "server_pp_key" appear only in this text. I'm assuming this is intended to match "client_pp_secret" and "server_pp_secret", which are defined in section 5.3.4-5?

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----==_mimepart_5ac663c863563_51422ae9750c8ecc3889c-- From nobody Thu Apr 5 11:09:07 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC05E12AAB6 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2018 11:09:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.008 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.008 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QD2hkaXbEXRZ for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2018 11:09:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E4FF4126C22 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2018 11:09:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2018 11:09:04 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1522951744; bh=BNVI8km4fLvs501zQZ01c5gXsxOoH0ZV7sKbKPBFH4U=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=FrnNvxhwKOBaAFikLTZ6GjBpMWZGNO4LBMRH9VvrzDJJReJBT/NrVYoHlNp8l+e/d fOsdUUJv6thGBEqa0Vn/yqpSLb+jDGSY7GdJ5Umoxpfkd0gcBHTxRd3FaT6EfqciWD MlifdOTBqjy0RFE8W1Lk0mDiVsvtJgcFo4vaONro= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Packet protection keys not CID-based (#1267) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ac66640256_79ee2aab9f730ecc9075d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2018 18:09:07 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ac66640256_79ee2aab9f730ecc9075d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @igorlord proposed a possible strategy to mitigate timing attacks / gaps in observable packet numbers from different CIDs, particularly in the case of random offsets per CID. He would send identical packet payload, modulo some PADDING to avoid them being identically-sized, under the same packet number with different CIDs and a random delay on one of them. An observer would no longer see matching gaps between packets from two different CIDs and be able to probabilistically correlate them as easily. The receiver, seeing a duplicate packet number, will discard whichever arrives later. This doesn't appear to work in the current packet protection scheme because, post-handshake, the packet protection keys don't mix in the connection ID, as far as I can tell. That means identical packet numbers produce identical IVs and compromise the payload of the packets (assuming the observer can correlate them some other way). However, if the packet protection secrets were derived from the Connection ID as well as the TLS exporter value, then identical packet numbers on different CIDs would not be a security issue. This might also be a necessary property if we pursue per-CID packet number spaces. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1267 ----==_mimepart_5ac66640256_79ee2aab9f730ecc9075d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@igorlord proposed a possible strategy to mitigate timing attacks / gaps in observable packet numbers from different CIDs, particularly in the case of random offsets per CID. He would send identical packet payload, modulo some PADDING to avoid them being identically-sized, under the same packet number with different CIDs and a random delay on one of them. An observer would no longer see matching gaps between packets from two different CIDs and be able to probabilistically correlate them as easily. The receiver, seeing a duplicate packet number, will discard whichever arrives later.

This doesn't appear to work in the current packet protection scheme because, post-handshake, the packet protection keys don't mix in the connection ID, as far as I can tell. That means identical packet numbers produce identical IVs and compromise the payload of the packets (assuming the observer can correlate them some other way).

However, if the packet protection secrets were derived from the Connection ID as well as the TLS exporter value, then identical packet numbers on different CIDs would not be a security issue. This might also be a necessary property if we pursue per-CID packet number spaces.

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Negotiating extensions as part of the handshake is important, but do we need the {0,0xffff} -> {0x80, 0xff} mapping? Are we expecting this mapping to be maintained for multiple QUIC versions?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>        (65535)
    } TransportParameterId;
 
+   struct {
+      uint8 frame_type;
+      uint16 extension_frame_identifier;
+   } ExtensionFrameMappings<3..2^16-1>;

If I understand the TLS presentation language correctly, this makes a length-prefixed array of structs. However, the transport parameter itself is also a length-prefixed sequence of bytes and the units within this array are fixed-length. Do we need the length-prefix inside the length-prefixed sequence, or can we just say optionLength / 3?

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The Private Use area of only 256 values makes me a little nervous, given that a collision means authenticated packets will fail to parse properly. I'd be more inclined to go straight to provisional registration as soon as someone wants to interop beyond their own clients. If we feel we must have unstructured experiments, let *those* use a defined TLV format with a nice, long type field. > @@ -1197,6 +1204,16 @@ ack_delay_exponent (0x0007): value is also used for ACK frames that are sent in Initial, Handshake, and Retry packets. Values above 20 are invalid. +extension_frames (0x0009): + +: A list of extension frame mappings, encoded using the ExtensionFrameMappings + struct. That is, a 2 octet length field, followed by 1 or more repetitions of + a one octet frame type and a two octet identifiers. Each entry defines a + mapping of frame type to the 16-bit extension frame types defined in + {{frame-extension}}. Valid frame types MUST be from 0x80 to 0xff, other Comma splice; either use a `;` or make these separate sentences. > +The `extension_frames` transport parameter establishes a mapping from the 16-bit +frame extension identifier to a frame type octet in the range from 0x80 to 0xff +inclusive. Each endpoint establishes their own preferred mapping; this +determines the mapping for frames that they receive. An endpoint translates the +16-bit extension frame identifier into a frame type using the `extension_frames` +transport parameter advertised by their peer. + +This design allows the same extension frame to use a different frame type in +each direction. It also allows for extension frames to be used in one direction +only. + +An endpoint MUST NOT use extension frames in packets protected with handshake +keys. A client can use extension frames in 0-RTT based on the value of the +server's transport parameters used in a previous connection. + +The definition of a extension frame identifier MUST include the format of the an > +determines the mapping for frames that they receive. An endpoint translates the +16-bit extension frame identifier into a frame type using the `extension_frames` +transport parameter advertised by their peer. + +This design allows the same extension frame to use a different frame type in +each direction. It also allows for extension frames to be used in one direction +only. + +An endpoint MUST NOT use extension frames in packets protected with handshake +keys. A client can use extension frames in 0-RTT based on the value of the +server's transport parameters used in a previous connection. + +The definition of a extension frame identifier MUST include the format of the +extension frame and its semantics. 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@MikeBishop commented on this pull request.

The Private Use area of only 256 values makes me a little nervous, given that a collision means authenticated packets will fail to parse properly. I'd be more inclined to go straight to provisional registration as soon as someone wants to interop beyond their own clients.

If we feel we must have unstructured experiments, let those use a defined TLV format with a nice, long type field.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1197,6 +1204,16 @@ ack_delay_exponent (0x0007):
   value is also used for ACK frames that are sent in Initial, Handshake, and
   Retry packets.  Values above 20 are invalid.
 
+extension_frames (0x0009):
+
+: A list of extension frame mappings, encoded using the ExtensionFrameMappings
+  struct.  That is, a 2 octet length field, followed by 1 or more repetitions of
+  a one octet frame type and a two octet identifiers.  Each entry defines a
+  mapping of frame type to the 16-bit extension frame types defined in
+  {{frame-extension}}.  Valid frame types MUST be from 0x80 to 0xff, other

Comma splice; either use a ; or make these separate sentences.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +The `extension_frames` transport parameter establishes a mapping from the 16-bit
+frame extension identifier to a frame type octet in the range from 0x80 to 0xff
+inclusive.  Each endpoint establishes their own preferred mapping; this
+determines the mapping for frames that they receive.  An endpoint translates the
+16-bit extension frame identifier into a frame type using the `extension_frames`
+transport parameter advertised by their peer.
+
+This design allows the same extension frame to use a different frame type in
+each direction.  It also allows for extension frames to be used in one direction
+only.
+
+An endpoint MUST NOT use extension frames in packets protected with handshake
+keys.  A client can use extension frames in 0-RTT based on the value of the
+server's transport parameters used in a previous connection.
+
+The definition of a extension frame identifier MUST include the format of the

an

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +determines the mapping for frames that they receive.  An endpoint translates the
+16-bit extension frame identifier into a frame type using the `extension_frames`
+transport parameter advertised by their peer.
+
+This design allows the same extension frame to use a different frame type in
+each direction.  It also allows for extension frames to be used in one direction
+only.
+
+An endpoint MUST NOT use extension frames in packets protected with handshake
+keys.  A client can use extension frames in 0-RTT based on the value of the
+server's transport parameters used in a previous connection.
+
+The definition of a extension frame identifier MUST include the format of the
+extension frame and its semantics.  QUIC frames are not length-delimited, so
+knowledge of the format of frames is necessary for decoding packets.  Each
+extension frame identifier definition MUST include the versions of QUIC that the

"identifier" is redundant.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>        (65535)
    } TransportParameterId;
 
+   struct {
+      uint8 frame_type;
+      uint16 extension_frame_identifier;
+   } ExtensionFrameMappings<3..2^16-1>;

This is idiomatic in TLS. Take a look at RFC 7301 and you will see the same repetition.

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Negotiating extensions as part of the handshake is important, but do we = need the {0,0xffff} -> {0x80, 0xff} mapping? Are we expecting this mappi= ng to be maintained for multiple QUIC versions?

I think that we're building much of QUICv1 with the expectation that QUI= Cv2+ won't change it. I think of it more from the perspective of future si= mplicity: we wouldn't want to rebuild all QUICv1 extensions and application= s just because we added (for example) multipath in a later version.

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That's an interesting suggestion, certainly. The predecessor to #1079 actually did = that, but it turned out to be a little painful.

@ekr privately suggested that it might be nece= ssary to send packets on the old path after a migration for other reasons= . That would help avoid denial of service caused by rewriting source add= resses, or similar sorts of attacks.

FWIW, I don't think that the cessation of transmission on one path and= commencement on another is as directly correlateable as that discussion = implied, but I'm certainly not opposed to strategies that make any correl= ation harder.

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If you are certain that you never sent the challenge (say that you include a MAC), then why not permit the error?

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Also remove the underscore to save some space.

Closes #1266.

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Commit Summary

  • Provide a linkage between key and <role>_pp_<key|iv>_<i>

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As discussed on-list, changing the UDP port at the same time as changing the connection ID makes good sense, if only to ensure that migration is exercised. 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As discussed on-list, changing the UDP port at the same time as changing the connection ID makes good sense, if only to ensure that migration is exercised.

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@martinthomson I was asking because we're = essentially trying to map 216 into 27. Why would the TLS = parameter for this extension be so large when we're not going to use it for= anything else (i.e., for extensions that don't require frames) ?

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Yes, very much the idea I was alluding too on the list. The caveat is that clients want to be careful to not too that too often, because somd NAT boxes fall over after more than small N number of ports are open. But doing that after 10-20 sec on idle should be just fine.

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The idea is that you can concurrently use 2**7, selected from a set of 2**16 with arbitrary (bijective) mapping from one to the other.

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+1 to CID rotation being pointless if we don't do this. However, this se= ems dangerous if not done carefully, and it links CID rotation rate to the = maximum usable UDP port consumption rate.

Note that QUIC presently doesn't have an advisory on-path state clearanc= e signal (we discussed this as a signal bound to public reset in #20, but it morphed into Stateles= s Reset, which has completely different semantics), which means that there = is neither a present nor yet a potential future method to reduce the NAT st= ate load this will generate.

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UDP could also have a recommended client port when used with client CID, then the port does not leak information.

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If you are behind an NAT and change your source port, you might also get= a new outer IP address which would lead to path validation and congestion = control reset at the server. Nor sure if you want to risk that every 10ms.<= /p>

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Section =E2=80=9C5.4.3. Handshake Packet=E2=80=9D states

The payload of this packet contains STREAM frames and could contain PADD= ING, ACK, PATH_CHALLENGE, or PATH_RESPONSE frames.

CONNECTION_CLOSE is forgotten here (e.g., when TLS error occurs, when se= rver is busy)

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1763,9 +1763,14 @@ gap than it advertised.
 
 Clients MAY change connection ID at any time based on implementation-specific
 concerns.  For example, after a period of network inactivity NAT rebinding might
-occur when the client begins sending data again. A client might wish to reduce
-linkability by employing a new connection ID when sending traffic after a period
-of inactivity.
+occur when the client begins sending data again.
+
+A client might wish to reduce linkability by employing a new connection ID and
+source UDP port when sending traffic after a period of inactivity.  Changing the

This may have a performance impact if the server interprets this is a full migration and not just a NAT rebind. I think it's worth noting that as well as that this may cause the server to perform path validation before sending any significant data?

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Connection migration is an optional feature of the QUIC transport protocol. An implementation should be allowed to omit it.

Server considerations:
Scalable server deployment requires load balancing. Connection migration will require QUIC aware support from the load balancer. Most load balancers available today do not have this support. If a server does not support connection migration or is behind a load balancer that is known to not support QUIC, then all migrated traffic looks like attack traffic and will likely trip up DoS mitigation and cause a lot of traffic to failover to TCP unnecessarily.

Client considerations:
Many client devices will only have one network card or only one network available at a time. Most desktops, laptops and many tablets will qualify. Even of mobile devices, OS policy may dictate that metered connections must not be used aggressively or automatically. Applications may have policy or requirement that their traffic must not flow over specific interfaces - for example update traffic today must not flow over metered networks.

For these reasons, clients which do implement migration, should make a negotiate attempt for connection migration support based on application and OS policy. Servers that know that they can support migration should negotiate and accept the request.

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On the client vs server option, I think it would be fine to state that i= f a client doesn't want to allow/support connection migration, it just does= n't do it. No negotiation needed. This is because server migration isn't cu= rrently a supported scenario for V1.

As to how to negotiate it server side, I'd prefer to use QUIC transport = parameters, instead of different version numbers. A new, optional TP could = be defined, disallow_connection_migration, that the server cou= ld set to indicate it doesn't allow/support connection migration. Instead, = if needed, the client should close existing connections and start a new (0-= RTT) connection.

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Not all devices are mobile :-), please see "client considerations" secti= on or various reasons the client app needs control over whether to do conne= ction migration. I believe Apple devices also have a setting to prevent agg= ressive use of metered connections. So app and OS policy should dictate opt= -in. Of course you may choose to design the API as default opt-in but curre= ntly I am leaning the other way. This is crucial because many apps are on t= op of HTTP and unaware of the QUIC/TCP fork underneath and I would prefer m= aking it opt-in to avoid things like user bill shock.

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----==_mimepart_5ac7ae828dcba_66872b0e8fac2ed4375694-- From nobody Fri Apr 6 10:38:41 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4783124D37 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2018 10:38:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K5x4vqdujnS4 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2018 10:38:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 44C0012025C for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2018 10:38:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=JCUmuYsjZgfT6HiMMNHCK3kf/pc=; b=AFDd8bWI/xoTz+Tw aJGZJRlpPANHYX1O86iJ+8EgBigaoIqtQqZxt2AFgA0bKRO/MpVGm1WQjnHlqx/5 TETk0kofSy82aWKBv+QZVonYxUd9PUNOYsAZ6xvB1a+O2iEFzHkOvPqAMOiG/AX/ 5rDRf6MtgYn3lAKwzTTXcw2AY90= Received: by filter0542p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0542p1mdw1-22701-5AC7B09C-20 2018-04-06 17:38:36.838619213 +0000 UTC Received: from smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) by ismtpd0049p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id rUL5UNRtRlWMETng3kcQvQ for ; Fri, 06 Apr 2018 17:38:36.828 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2018 17:38:36 +0000 (UTC) From: Patrick McManus Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] error handling for path_response (#1265) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ac7b09ca7e4c_17d22b25206e4ec81516d0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mcmanus X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3Ed46KaReu6k6DaE0pAY6WoNJDIIfERf0USj eq+LhikHhNi16iV3Yny9sBu0QTMsNgauMsoyAsNIrOZioYdiqmC4tHvJ++WJyL4/nYmNrH0511pk+M yfNdsadj9+xJAtaX5w0ab3N2kaZ7fNXZS0bdnZwEiS59Lq5vR9tzP3/+jd8YW7czJmj9T5orcMcd4b E= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2018 17:38:40 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ac7b09ca7e4c_17d22b25206e4ec81516d0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think I stand by 'footgun' - its not impossible to do but the value is small and the opportunity for screw up is disproportionate. Its just based on experience of reading the provision in the text and starting off to build a system to enforce it (because I too enjoy strong protocol hygiene) .. and after getting down the road aways realizing that a full definition of this was madness. Do we have a general provision regarding MAY PROTOCOL_VIOLATION as a reaction to a MUST (NOT) violation? That might be the right level of emphasis rather than a specific error code. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1265#issuecomment-379324682 ----==_mimepart_5ac7b09ca7e4c_17d22b25206e4ec81516d0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think I stand by 'footgun' - its not impossible to do but the value is= small and the opportunity for screw up is disproportionate.

Its just based on experience of reading the provision in the text and st= arting off to build a system to enforce it (because I too enjoy strong prot= ocol hygiene) .. and after getting down the road aways realizing that a ful= l definition of this was madness.

Do we have a general provision regarding MAY PROTOCOL_VIOLATION as a rea= ction to a MUST (NOT) violation? That might be the right level of emphasis = rather than a specific error code.

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A few points:

  • Generally, restrictions are around using metered interfaces when unmete= red interfaces are available; when only a metered interface is available, t= hings are more open. Migration in this case should be generally allowed.
  • Preventing use of interfaces based on metering is separate from allowin= g migration. I can either let user policy or API specify that a connection = should never use metered interfaces, but still migrate a connection between= two Wi-Fi networks as my association changes. This also works for going be= tween Wired Ethernet and Wi-Fi.

My main concern is that implementations, especially server implementatio= ns, MUST implement migration support, even if they allow it to be configure= d "off".

One of the points of migration is the path validation, which applies eve= n in the case of NAT re-binding. For clients behind NATs, they may look to = the server that they are "migrating" between ports, which is quite likely w= ith UDP to happen quickly. By default, we should make sure connections are = resilient here. The connection ID does give us the necessary support to all= ow the server to detect the case, and validate the path back to the client.=

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= ----==_mimepart_5ac7b438efd2_2a2f2b2029424ec82815c1-- From nobody Fri Apr 6 10:59:30 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13772124D6C for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2018 10:59:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w9U9vPaWZFRl for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2018 10:59:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E9493124D68 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2018 10:59:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=mWzra7nLuqdswnbbfB4+swAk5ZI=; b=qQ1qQHhnm60Ty/f7 KYQen3DhCixS0LOgL1/frxZKzBllbYnlbncx9tZB1KWYaMCviWM6Rwk+guvswhk8 m4k1Zbxtc+sqS2Vb6+djm8G17sdoWIIYo4tyKbYI4Y5KGjA08TrqKeBXdEhx2Myp 0+VVDdv2iElMNDMyD2TF14k92LA= Received: by filter0600p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0600p1las1-20652-5AC7B560-2 2018-04-06 17:58:56.152139101 +0000 UTC Received: from smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) by ismtpd0038p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id -ErobRsoQ_G_u0e75szSyA for ; Fri, 06 Apr 2018 17:58:55.860 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2018 17:58:56 +0000 (UTC) From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Connection migration must be negotiated (#1271) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ac7b55fa9d0b_1c4e3fb1dac94f34229876"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0Y19v0RD6Y8Fs/vpy2dGN25KfSHe2hSPis9f v9yB79+MUGBVAtpQQpjm/sEgsp9r3bETMre1CGUFZO7uD8pmNzbDo3D7RtypTXKKM+t+WGzcRB96Pf q1eqzRedOC6g5LgaJXSl3gx83A4s4YyboYS7/NKjry5+2byhQU4msGlmE83JsRpS3s+4mOJySwWVi1 I= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2018 17:59:29 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ac7b55fa9d0b_1c4e3fb1dac94f34229876 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One problem that this is trying to address is a load balancer that does 4-tuple load balancing. In that case, even a NAT rebind might end up sending the client's new traffic to a new server. So in that case, if the client really need to keep the connection bound properly, keep alives must be used. I agree that this option shouldn't be a copout for servers to just not support migration. Though it will be in their best interest to support it (if their infrastructure does) to provide the best experience to their clients. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1271#issuecomment-379329991 ----==_mimepart_5ac7b55fa9d0b_1c4e3fb1dac94f34229876 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

One problem that this is trying to address is a load balancer that does = 4-tuple load balancing. In that case, even a NAT rebind might end up sendin= g the client's new traffic to a new server. So in that case, if the client = really need to keep the connection bound properly, keep alives must be used= .

I agree that this option shouldn't be a copout for servers to just not s= upport migration. Though it will be in their best interest to support it (i= f their infrastructure does) to provide the best experience to their client= s.

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My main concern is that implementations, especially server implementatio= ns, MUST implement migration support, even if they allow it to be configure= d "off".
There is unfortunately no way to enforce this. Regardless of server support= or infra issue the server must be able to veto this. I also think since QU= IC has very poor signaling for DDoS prevention, server infra may dynamicall= y start rejection migrations when under attack.

NAT re-binding can be solved by keep-alives and existing load balancers = allow 2-tuple load balancing for UDP which means a NAT-rebinding where the = port changes will not suffer the same issue.

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----==_mimepart_5ac7d1e4c1937_46d02b18b9ac4ed014374-- From nobody Fri Apr 6 13:04:43 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3831126BFD for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2018 13:04:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.011 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.011 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MDG-AIuG-5yF for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2018 13:04:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD1861243F6 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2018 13:04:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=ie1xERUR2YIVOKUYT33Uie/KABQ=; b=dlwlkRFfk7TMv+FD 4DYp5j5dHGAROFcXQRSN0FL7zC9/oPgPQr3lFEdPbr2snSQCX05f8FJPE0HP8PQ9 K8tCXSIiXBzCm5/sC9d4zXYBlrNCrVDL+BhKl1VJTyE5C2BS5/aM9YB1gdPpU4OA Bnoy6vWgAIcSJ2iK3t13J/a23CM= Received: by filter0155p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0155p1las1-22325-5AC7D2AE-9 2018-04-06 20:03:58.196195377 +0000 UTC Received: from smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id x7Akdsk5QiqnEP0xgnjMYg for ; Fri, 06 Apr 2018 20:03:58.096 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2018 20:03:58 +0000 (UTC) From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Connection migration must be negotiated (#1271) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ac7d2ade8a20_68d13fcb4ce5cf341416e4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak28lCfyTjsSQEPZAjV5R5qNpgFJg3eASkXavC /AMz+KNDE5QC0UH7lBO3VTSxzz4D46Q4SAWsQCFGd9wE0vq3LB9TToHdygmkE8mAE4qIswhX3U27ri d2qVNupJzVjG+eUEebx+Quh8mSoS6PVc7gWXtNhLJA7N0Qb1bqigDvxDYGBjqLQnACg0l96riHjqSJ Q= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2018 20:04:43 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ac7d2ade8a20_68d13fcb4ce5cf341416e4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @tfpauly also hit on my biggest concern here: What exactly gets turned off? The point of the connection ID is the ability to survive NAT rebinds; ideally, the load balancer will be looking at the CID and not the 4-tuple at all. After all, NAT rebinds can cross IP addresses (particularly in the Enterprise or mobile space), so 2-tuple binding isn't going to be sufficient. But perhaps it's an acceptable Band-Aid for initial deployments. So what are the protocol mechanics that get turned off? The server is still going to need the ability to do path validation during the handshake (three-packet limit?), so that machinery still needs to be there. If you're saying that you'll disable support for NAT rebinding, you're potentially going to be in a painful situation. Regardless, the text added in #1254 states the principle that clients are the controlling party for all migrations; this remains true even if we merge #1251, because the server requests the client to perform a migration. I think the most this restriction could get us is that clients should never intentionally change their local IP address -- though I suspect many clients will just be connecting without specifying a local IP address, so even that might have some interesting quirks. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1271#issuecomment-379362183 ----==_mimepart_5ac7d2ade8a20_68d13fcb4ce5cf341416e4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@tfpauly also hit on my biggest concern here: = What exactly gets turned off? The point of the connection ID is the abili= ty to survive NAT rebinds; ideally, the load balancer will be looking at th= e CID and not the 4-tuple at all. After all, NAT rebinds can cross IP addr= esses (particularly in the Enterprise or mobile space), so 2-tuple binding = isn't going to be sufficient. But perhaps it's an acceptable Band-Aid for = initial deployments.

So what are the protocol mechanics that get turned off? The server is s= till going to need the ability to do path validation during the handshake (= three-packet limit?), so that machinery still needs to be there. If you're= saying that you'll disable support for NAT rebinding, you're potentially g= oing to be in a painful situation.

Regardless, the text added in #1254 states the principle that clients are the controlling par= ty for all migrations; this remains true even if we merge #1251, because the server requests the= client to perform a migration. I think the most this restriction could ge= t us is that clients should never intentionally change their local IP addre= ss -- though I suspect many clients will just be connecting without specify= ing a local IP address, so even that might have some interesting quirks.

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@MikeBishop ideally the load balancers will= be using CID, but that won't happen overnight. We don't want that to be a = blocker for deploying QUIC. As the infrastructure starts supporting QUIC, t= hen the server won't need to set this TP.

As for what actually gets turned off, it's really up to the client imple= mentations. If they do nothing, then certain scenarios will just break, and= it might cause them to execute unnecessary fallback logic, worst case, all= the way back to TCP. In the case of long lived connections, the client can= use this information to be more aggressive with keep alive timers if it wa= nts to maintain the connection. Also, as you stated, the clients should not= explicitly trigger any migration scenarios. In the case of a client applic= ation layer not specifying a local IP address, the transport could still pr= event any extra IP/port address changes.

Also, one argument for possibly making the QUIC TP set from both client = and server is the P2P scenario. A client behind a NAT wouldn't support the = peer migrating unless it supported the necessary NAT punch through protocol= s.

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Yes, incremental deployment is important. Until load balancers add QUIC = support, you have two options for deployment:

  1. Use two-tuple (src IP, dst IP) load balancing to continue working when = NAT rebinding happens (port number change).
  2. Or client can do keep-alives to keep the NAT mapping open for long runn= ing persistent connections. We already have precedence for this with long p= oll TCP "push notification" connections.

Connection migration !=3D NAT rebinding. Connection migration is a new s= cenario that needs opt-in and is driven by app and OS policy. For connectio= n migration the only option for deployment is to upgrade the load balancers= . Hence servers must be able to veto it to minimize traffic that looks like= DoS attack and also prevent client from falling back to TCP unnecessarily = when it could have simply opened a new QUIC connection and carried on.

@nibanks good point about p2p where the negot= iation must be vetoable by both sides. Let's also not discount scenarios li= ke anycast and DoS prevention where knowing that the connection can migrate= can help the server side. The traditional negotiation mechanism where init= iator requests and acceptor agrees/vetoes is the most generic mechanism and= will satisfy all requirements.

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Praveen's point is spot on. Today's load balancers don't know about Q= UIC. The initial gQUIC deployment got by without connection ID routing f= or a while, and as long as the idle timeout is short, it largely works an= d still delivered large enough gains to be worthwhile.

I'm fine with QUIC default enabling migration and then having a mechan= ism for disabling it, though. I just want to make sure we do have a way = to disable it in the handshake(or version if the WG goes in that directio= n).

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For instance, an endpoint may pad a packet carrying a PATH_CHALLENGE for PMTU discovery, or an endpoint may bundle a PATH_RESPONSE with its own PATH_CHALLENGE. +Differences in routing on the Internet might cause the same destination address +and connection ID to reach a different server instance which does not possess +the necessary connection state. Receiving a Stateless Reset in response to a May I question if it is a good idea to let a different server (that does not know the connection state) send a Stateless Reset? My understanding is that the static key that is used to generate stateless reset tokens cannot be shared between endpoints that do not share the connection states. The attack (credit goes to @siyengar) is as follows. Consider the case where we have two different servers A and B that do not share the connection state but shares the static key that is being used to generate the stateless reset tokens. An on-path attacker wants to kill a connection that goes to A. The attacker creates a packet that carries the same CID as the connection he/she wants to kill, and send it to server B. Server B returns a stateless reset. The attacker then forwards the stateless reset to the client and the connection gets reset. To summarize, I believe that you can send a stateless reset only from a server that knows (or should have known) the connection state. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1259#pullrequestreview-110241523 ----==_mimepart_5ac819a639374_78132ada7d48eec8771cc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1485,6 +1485,13 @@ path validation with other frames.  For instance, an endpoint may pad a packet
 carrying a PATH_CHALLENGE for PMTU discovery, or an endpoint may bundle a
 PATH_RESPONSE with its own PATH_CHALLENGE.
 
+Differences in routing on the Internet might cause the same destination address
+and connection ID to reach a different server instance which does not possess
+the necessary connection state. Receiving a Stateless Reset in response to a

May I question if it is a good idea to let a different server (that does not know the connection state) send a Stateless Reset?

My understanding is that the static key that is used to generate stateless reset tokens cannot be shared between endpoints that do not share the connection states. The attack (credit goes to @siyengar) is as follows.

Consider the case where we have two different servers A and B that do not share the connection state but shares the static key that is being used to generate the stateless reset tokens.

An on-path attacker wants to kill a connection that goes to A. The attacker creates a packet that carries the same CID as the connection he/she wants to kill, and send it to server B. Server B returns a stateless reset. The attacker then forwards the stateless reset to the client and the connection gets reset.

To summarize, I believe that you can send a stateless reset only from a server that knows (or should have known) the connection state.

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@martinthomson Thank you for pointing out = that it is necessary to use TP for negotiating some features, and also for = moving the negotiation there.

@ekr

Well, as you acknowledge below, it is feature negotiation for features t= hat need new frames.

I share this model, and see two issues with the proposed approach:

  • The proposed approach has two ways of extending QUIC, one by assigning = a new TransportParameterId and one by assigning one or more extension= _frame_identifier. I think that we should better unify the two schem= es.
  • We might want to pass along some parameters for the extension being neg= otiated. However, the proposal does not allow an ExtensionFrameMappin= gs to carry such parameters.

Considering the two, how about defining the frame types to be used for e= ach extension as a direct member of TransportParameter, like b= elow?

struct {
  TransportParameterId parameter;
  opaque value<0..2^16-1>;
  uint8 frame_types<0..128>;
} TransportParameter;

Then, we can simplify the procedure of adding new extensions, regardless= of if it needs frame types or not. An extension would always have a new Tr= ansportParameterId, can have any argument passed by using value, and have any number of frame types being assigned. We will only need one= IANA registry for TransportParameterIds.

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@siyengar The specific case I am worried = about is when there are missing bytes in the transport and the TLS buffer= s don't come into play. According to the spec, there is no bound as to wh= at the transport must buffer on stream 0.

I agree that QUIC flow control is irrelevant when we're talking about = TLS buffers.

Allowing flow control during the handshake would allow the server to l= imit its memory usage until the client fills in the missing bytes.

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@martinduke What I'm suggesting is that ev= en if there is flow control, a rational receiver will never set flow contro= l < tls buffer size at which point it doesn't really matter whether the = buffer is in the transport buffer out of order or in order, which means tha= t flow control is not useful.

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We may lost a lot of packet in net and server may response for the received packets(after the lost packets) with ack frames into several packets. Every packet will trigger client to decrease the congestion window .

I'm not sure how to send ack frame correctly , or did I miss something ?

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----==_mimepart_5ac974eb20911_291a2ae9ecc7cecc69819-- From nobody Sat Apr 7 19:08:33 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5514E1274D2 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2018 19:08:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.606 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.606 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6hLlKaJaJJ5v for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2018 19:08:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EE516126B6E for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2018 19:08:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=bSzc2edfXMvpC4hBi1EOaJ9UuOI=; b=ISD8+//eH9w+AwLo Kuocv//rIxpfbx0sfgH7nbVSW6sStHuE0DQxwgTPzOrDuPkmXdFBTXmkhJarjdcY ylZZI4NQBxPknySDCXnQ5ovroc91kXGgbn/y6d6PVxk4b4CqAtLh30NxS5K1EYxY vwOD1D36eURyTkUdg8ond3yy9po= Received: by filter0347p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0347p1las1-3588-5AC9799A-22 2018-04-08 02:08:26.980056525 +0000 UTC Received: from smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id ZPiHkcf6QBinZ2X9yQEBEA for ; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 02:08:26.906 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 02:08:28 +0000 (UTC) From: Ryan Hamilton Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Stream Flow Control on Stream 0 (#1252) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ac9799ac2c81_13003fd756522f34279221"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: RyanAtGoogle X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0s0IToqVepuKavqbyh39Kd1STtJDggGArLLc DT8KrvRWxB3SX6shlBje/8DlJalJhu/d9gUCtSIyWygKcQV6YD16+7T4WzAtnqtVTIic8OzObM3ppW yaGJLYx9iXl7x7fB9rGSsa7AlrO1QKiTRhvbkmEalO7LJmHOVtiEZtpvKzyxp7ju9WXAL3BcI4Rnzg 8= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 02:08:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ac9799ac2c81_13003fd756522f34279221 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree with martin duke. Instead of an implicit limit, we should have explicit limits. If there is no flow control at the QUIC layer, then a malicious peer will be able to consume unlimited memory in the receive buffer by sending all but the first byte on stream 0. This is clearly a non-starter so an endpoint is definitely going to impose a limit. I can't see any upside to having an implicit limit here, and only downsides. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1252#issuecomment-379513320 ----==_mimepart_5ac9799ac2c81_13003fd756522f34279221 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree with martin duke. Instead of an implicit limit, we should have
explicit limits. If there is no flow control at the QUIC layer, then a
malicious peer will be able to consume unlimited memory in the receive
buffer by sending all but the first byte on stream 0. This is clearly a
non-starter so an endpoint is definitely going to impose a limit. I can'= ;t
see any upside to having an implicit limit here, and only downsides.

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----==_mimepart_5ac9a7325b0bf_71082b1be76aeec8753a-- From nobody Sat Apr 7 22:37:49 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37DC712704A for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2018 22:37:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z-wj0JLWua-r for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2018 22:37:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F06B126FB3 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2018 22:37:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2018 22:37:45 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1523165865; bh=R2KT7QN7aCDKMQ7RfZAgBSxO2ssNfRYfk58qr6FFPlw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=o1bR5o9JAQpBZ1M2pYdZMKdIbeMgierxsgulSyIz0dup7O4O63MtUeipftPoP1KAT WhH4gvrXZxHyrNTmfcqNBy1NMM9bOhniGHoUh0OqqVg3S0UxD2RqRrDiVjrWH3ninB EUx3LoS9v9QJMPfz3MJSv7RHeW0IidQUL5zuIcVM= From: Subodh Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Stream Flow Control on Stream 0 (#1252) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ac9aaa9a2217_4ea12ad5a8c50ec410463a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: siyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 05:37:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ac9aaa9a2217_4ea12ad5a8c50ec410463a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We don't need flow control to impose a limit >= TLS. If TLS legitimately needed more bytes to complete, an implementation to increase the "flow control" limit to match it even for out of order bytes, at which point what use is flow control? In the case where bytes arrived in order, flow control is giving us a facetious sense of limit, because if TLS is actually buffering the bytes and then we would advertise a larger number of bytes which potentially could go beyond the bounds of what TLS would accept. My point is that flow control in the sense of the way it is implemented for other streams is inappropriate for the crypto stream. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1252#issuecomment-379522088 ----==_mimepart_5ac9aaa9a2217_4ea12ad5a8c50ec410463a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

We don't need flow control to impose a limit >=3D TLS. If TLS legit= imately needed more bytes to complete, an implementation to increase the = "flow control" limit to match it even for out of order bytes, at which po= int what use is flow control?

In the case where bytes arrived in order, flow control is giving us a = facetious sense of limit, because if TLS is actually buffering the bytes = and then we would advertise a larger number of bytes which potentially co= uld go beyond the bounds of what TLS would accept.

My point is that flow control in the sense of the way it is implemente= d for other streams is inappropriate for the crypto stream.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closes #1270. @janaiyengar, anyone, can you remember why we allow PATH_* frames in Handshake messages? They don't seem to serve any particular purpose. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1274 -- Commit Summary -- * Permit CONNECTION_CLOSE in Handshake -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (3) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1274.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1274.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1274 ----==_mimepart_5acaaf7552ec9_5f6f3fec6be28f28297227 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Closes #1270.

@janaiyengar, anyone, can you remember why we allow PATH_* frames in Handshake messages? They don't seem to serve any particular purpose.

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I've added text about the consequences of port number change, and advi= sed that it only be done infrequently. @chris-= wood, see the list for discussion about port rotation: infrequent cha= nges should be fine based on that.

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If the concern is that the server can't manage migrations, the server ca= n simply not send NEW_CONNECTION_ID.

I tend to think that' would be a real shame though, because the cases th= at need migration are pretty significant as @tfpauly<= /a> says.

If we are going to build a system that relies on client opt-in, and serv= ers that potentially don't support the feature, then perhaps we should ente= rtain a system whereby clients request new connection IDs rather than have = them provided spontaneously.

Again, that would be unfortunate because now we have created a means by = which clients are segregated based on capabilities. Worse, that segregatio= n might be based on their ability to pay for access, if a "metered" flag co= uld disable migration.

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I'd be OK with removing the error code. This isn't separately actionable, so PROTOCOL_VIOLATION is entirely appropriate.

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----==_mimepart_5acac19c736f_6d073f9cf26b8f2c11754b-- From nobody Sun Apr 8 18:32:01 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF5F3127137 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 18:32:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.606 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.606 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5Aow7FJ2jyWr for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 18:31:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ABC43126C83 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 18:31:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=9/azmXsWDmO99J9yNMLnSI50ZAo=; b=wXROaKMyLcFQGTnV Ox2RPJ4igmwwCoSNi5AnHaahFBOhQwtL7VZhlBg4SdLzKCCLQjpBGpWJqpwA5i7+ v2zav17NEJK8uY4dz0rEFrn9JqZy9TZ2Jh8eMdpI+YEUF4AsS6eB+aDDO+DxKRZ7 R2uWxPEW0kn0vPlyZNhNiKtVaVs= Received: by filter0947p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0947p1mdw1-11112-5ACAC28E-1C 2018-04-09 01:31:58.839605427 +0000 UTC Received: from smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) by ismtpd0010p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id lhxl9MH8R2-OGRVqNwWtmw for ; Mon, 09 Apr 2018 01:31:58.790 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 01:31:58 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Extension frames (#1068) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5acac28eaf95d_74b72ae006c72ed0536937"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak39lViL9UjZwWMdJw3akFmGKFRDXSFAjVyd6k 6m4AJmmCSzVYTkPt66KU1SNamz0nZvn0j0dgP9PygN3NA1JxYirkTwzPsWJt3BAIfVoK0n5lOhTsRP 86v60u2p0RmKt6IMwDArA6xR3KRpQ+YUs/khuLpRZLyUlzwX80bmrGDFE5jj6Fvgqt4BwivgiBWsy0 s= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 01:32:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5acac28eaf95d_74b72ae006c72ed0536937 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wouldn't be supportive of that sort of change. Frame types aren't 1:1 with transport parameters. There doesn't need to be a higher level of formality around the process by which the transport is extended. The basic tool we have - transport parameters - is actually sufficient. That said, though it was already possible to use transport parameters to define new frame types, it wasn't possible to do so without creating a coordination disaster, so we end up here. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1068#issuecomment-379602175 ----==_mimepart_5acac28eaf95d_74b72ae006c72ed0536937 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I wouldn't be supportive of that sort of change. Frame types aren't 1:1= with transport parameters.

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Merged #1273.

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Ideally this would have been removed, but consensus is hard.

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@mikkelfj can you make a slightly more detailed proposal, please?

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----==_mimepart_5acac542b68eb_95f2ac111e12ed45476d5-- From nobody Sun Apr 8 19:19:28 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F63D128896 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 19:19:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Efc30SkpgFMs for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 19:19:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 486C7127337 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 19:19:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=jd/sEP18ozPlzOe/qddpPSJ3HvI=; b=U7Ld5IAJ9uVaet2t V9sYE2Via8loKepgeCoytMSbnuenV/oQ+cYematxzNcnDkcgHYFAa6BUToDE8D7o PQ2WpNxr4ByH74ZIUvS0fnc8zzuVuL3Q20DeHVd3Au94AB8I6agPpFdqXDtP4VGb lYSMliTq2cC5M1kIruQKN0r82rY= Received: by filter0125p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0125p1las1-6809-5ACACDA6-2C 2018-04-09 02:19:18.784554968 +0000 UTC Received: from smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id UNfyxaTPTdmyduw69fdpIw for ; Mon, 09 Apr 2018 02:19:18.588 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 02:19:19 +0000 (UTC) From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Extension frames (#1068) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5acacda67ee49_30352adf0601ced4387525"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3le245WeoYlxAQq00yNIX8nr3w9JrlkPjfPs U2EkwFJRK0mwcG/NyjZDMAODfztHPkzZzKS434+uBk01n+7tHv96UkzeR/sMjidKtSANouuADQh0lu 12aSH1Bg/XWKXjn+loXLKor5vy4kdyU2gYCt4SAiRluOuwSdVnhwnP5rpw== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 02:19:27 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5acacda67ee49_30352adf0601ced4387525 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "That said, though it was already possible to use transport parameters to define new frame types, it wasn't possible to do so without creating a coordination disaster, so we end up here." I'm not sure where this claim comes from. What's the coordination disaster? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1068#issuecomment-379608300 ----==_mimepart_5acacda67ee49_30352adf0601ced4387525 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

"That said, though it was already possible to use transport parameters t= o define new frame types, it wasn't possible to do so without creating a co= ordination disaster, so we end up here."

I'm not sure where this claim comes from. What's the coordination disast= er?

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= ----==_mimepart_5acacda67ee49_30352adf0601ced4387525-- From nobody Sun Apr 8 21:34:36 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85A34126C2F for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 21:34:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EP_tKOD7H-nI for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 21:34:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 759701252BA for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 21:34:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=UJNR+DNxY0+luSosXC4DdDBr8l4=; b=JbETMhl4rosVZw+q /LgYoKhDyQ7jss48bPo8P4WQpjteNge9PH5bRVg80aAdhkpYrKd5NurEh7r5sNht Dn0lQSVNU8DZxLZdlJTNwjb+TBWnek0AY9odOqX10aZnJQl2vgDDC1j25FFCxMYB 5WRTPl5m1wNa4f4eEEHcP2YqPsk= Received: by filter1237p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1237p1mdw1-27677-5ACAED56-13 2018-04-09 04:34:30.917461667 +0000 UTC Received: from smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) by ismtpd0006p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id V_JL-opIRY-HevUYRZ89fg for ; Mon, 09 Apr 2018 04:34:30.831 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 04:34:31 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Extension frames (#1068) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5acaed56b1a8a_48882b031bb06ec490773"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1/Wjw5cDu12HZ0mG3UG8gvQOM0Vhw5c+FSYJ CGDv6t1UsPCJJVQPnAiXnLUlQWrnYgULSlUI+CkJNytxZGcDbJ0QHbD3do6lrei6D/ivcXYnoNYInA MxkalLDdB7A4uS3daApdZ9Nmdx7avtW4y+t3vhCaVoeaAruPiQdyCUR7zEU0n4QHOqIflVBqJO6+Q2 M= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 04:34:35 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5acaed56b1a8a_48882b031bb06ec490773 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It would be technically possible to use transport parameters like TLS extensions, which can (and do) change the protocol from the handshake onwards. The coordination disaster arises from the fact that we don't have any way to manage collisions between different extensions that add the use of new frames. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1068#issuecomment-379628361 ----==_mimepart_5acaed56b1a8a_48882b031bb06ec490773 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It would be technically possible to use transport parameters like TLS ex= tensions, which can (and do) change the protocol from the handshake onwards= .

The coordination disaster arises from the fact that we don't have any wa= y to manage collisions between different extensions that add the use of new= frames.

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  • 77f90aa switch typenames to `*-Initial`
  • 55b806d remove redundancy
  • 487d887 more clarification on how a succeeding QUIC packet looks like
  • 4e01ff7 compound packet can be used to expand the Initial packet

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----==_mimepart_5acaf3947fa2e_3a473f9f89e10f381049b-- From nobody Sun Apr 8 22:35:42 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D0AF120454 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 22:35:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.606 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.606 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UNEgXeCOUURD for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 22:35:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E30981205F0 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 22:35:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=oVMa5hdWnRu5ROtoiDFKuX40pl4=; b=SD5sFYQ5e7A2lB5y 5IM7YwlXY6FBzqN3YhdYHj2LkiaGmQB8aNEaWg1Cnug7bOfX5ZwB1cA+VqUJHm4z Qy62HQxsTf0wA/CTVx0G/81oFxO5XOn1BqLfjN+0YFArl6F5oZeQSEWJv4rWAmHS j+54tJMgDGe8Jp6UGDJJYC4m3uo= Received: by filter0188p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0188p1las1-6205-5ACAFB9A-15 2018-04-09 05:35:22.815448353 +0000 UTC Received: from smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) by ismtpd0023p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id H2oVSVayRy--7OJVc4QBAw for ; Mon, 09 Apr 2018 05:35:22.745 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 05:35:23 +0000 (UTC) From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] define compound packets (#1262) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5acafb9a7c872_706e3f8819e94f2c179715"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3wbAFm9OOB13iHGV4YSaZ64A/BO9QQIzOXL7 mMH8ERR4U4RLy6InV/ezLixr+gfhNFua1PvxV+oADVEnzWliL39qsPtIGe4KlAIG3X5sEreWbUuRdD spUFoqJqfR4H0FT5/Vkdq/D93+RejuvNsIu0rDAJ3Uh2yrgRAL146D4jNEkbyzxhOu9o715kFbgnw8 0= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 05:35:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5acafb9a7c872_706e3f8819e94f2c179715 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @MikeBishop @martinthomson Thank you for your comments. I think I have addressed all of them. Please take a look. And I think that the text has become clearer by saying that a compound _UDP_ packet is something that consists of a *-with-Length packet and a protected packet. Thank you to @martinthomson for the suggestion. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1262#issuecomment-379637555 ----==_mimepart_5acafb9a7c872_706e3f8819e94f2c179715 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@MikeBishop @mart= inthomson Thank you for your comments. I think I have addressed all of = them. Please take a look.

And I think that the text has become clearer by saying that a compound <= em>UDP packet is something that consists of a *-with-Length packet and= a protected packet. Thank you to @martinthomson<= /a> for the suggestion.

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@martinthomson Thank you for your comments= .

I wouldn't be supportive of that sort of change. Frame types aren't 1:1 = with transport parameters.

That's correct. Hence variable number of frame types (uint8 frame_= types<0..128>).

Re coordination, if we consider that as a disaster, I think the correct = path would be to let the client declare the extension IDs only in TP, and l= et the server to choose the frame types for which extensions that the serve= r wants to support.

Doing so solves two issues: removes assignment of frame types that would= never be used (it is useless to assign a id for a frame that the peer cann= ot sent), removes the possibility of having different IDs being assigned by= both peers for the same extension (which would be a source of confusion).<= /p>

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= ----==_mimepart_5acafec53ac19_f332b0a176d4ed4959a9-- From nobody Sun Apr 8 23:08:11 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80D54126B7E for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 23:08:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YfcDo_DzE_CB for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 23:08:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 875A21200A0 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 23:08:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 23:08:06 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1523254086; bh=a5vIM5NEoqI3g8vebOPGzp7GfyYoORLVk9uTkw5OMjA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Zd/i/H2MsAuUiGlTDpXCM3ER+9X6ZggSu1+rVt6hF0ZkR5BL/Nr264JgtaE+19oLZ TdMA/5IcFsTmvpBRUAPVmps8q2Uo/fc7rEIJkuv1XlmUJTMSmj19G7KC1wD+27yE5H jMrrdNdH5BdBsU9VbwQyOiun1YPJIoWI5IyphKJQ= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Connection migration optional? (#1271) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5acb03469769c_a152ae2075e2ec814951d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 06:08:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5acb03469769c_a152ae2075e2ec814951d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree with what @martinthomson says. A server can always decide to not send a `NEW_CONNECTION_ID` frame (it's not even a "SHOULD" even though some if not many of us anticipate that the server's sending it), and then the client would notice that there is no point in doing a gratuitous migration. I also think that for the data-center use-case, nobody would object for QUIC connections not doing gratuitous migrations. For the connections originating from the browser, I believe that a server that does not send a `NEW_CONNECTION_ID` frame should declare an idle timeout of somewhere below 30 seconds, so that the client would try to either keep the connection alive with no rebinding (by sending pings) or to reconnect in 0-RTT after quiescence that could have caused a rebinding. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1271#issuecomment-379643507 ----==_mimepart_5acb03469769c_a152ae2075e2ec814951d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I agree with what @martinthomson says.=

A server can always decide to not send a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame (it's not even a "SHOULD" even though some if not many of us anti= cipate that the server's sending it), and then the client would notice th= at there is no point in doing a gratuitous migration.

I also think that for the data-center use-case, nobody would object fo= r QUIC connections not doing gratuitous migrations.

For the connections originating from the browser, I believe that a ser= ver that does not send a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame should decl= are an idle timeout of somewhere below 30 seconds, so that the client wou= ld try to either keep the connection alive with no rebinding (by sending = pings) or to reconnect in 0-RTT after quiescence that could have caused a= rebinding.

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I'm with @kazuho here - I was almost about to su= ggest something similar.
The only thing I'm a bit tentative about is that you can imagine having som= e extensions getting quite popular which you want to use, but still include= some less common extensions. This cannot be done with a single extension I= D. On the ID I suggest a 128-bit uuid because it won't collide.

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The only thing I'm a bit tentative about is that you can imagine having = some extensions getting quite popular which you want to use, but still incl= ude some less common extensions. This cannot be done with a single extensio= n ID. On the ID I suggest a 128-bit uuid because it won't collide.

I do not think that we need identifiers sent on the wire assuming that e= ach "feature" is designated by a unique TransportParameterId.

A feature that assigns some frame types can send them as a list= in TransportParameter, and designate them in the specification as "the Nth= frame type" to give them the names.

If some frame types are optional, 0 can be sent as a elemen= t of the list to indicate that it will not be used.

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Silly typo, just fix it.

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  • Merge pull request #2 from quicwg/master
  • Merge pull request #3 from quicwg/master
  • Fixing a typo.

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----==_mimepart_5acb1bf1722dc_3a992b0a3ddeced068375-- From nobody Mon Apr 9 03:01:43 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAFD8124207 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 03:01:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J4CippVFWbN8 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 03:01:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA6D0126CF6 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 03:01:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 03:01:37 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1523268098; bh=p6/o/+j9LbwmaGPCgWjkbIFh/wekxA+DJhR4MzJyr3A=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=XryRLViF4XbqynMEdqc7jjygGuxL5/kEHBm6+iglYb1TUnp6iaX0iAqZxWgtgPv5c eYQV0ze+7eFh/mr1dxVV3fKdKvtElK8SWDx78hE4rIuguLVWl2Q+3bQrjKbcDO2I9M 7uzRc7Gpt5kCW8Vxr4FWTKC+fD2cA8oHP3WApzZM= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Exhausting a supply of connection IDs (#1276) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5acb3a01f2d7d_e512ad19ba58ed4748fb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 10:01:42 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5acb3a01f2d7d_e512ad19ba58ed4748fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What - if anything - do we want to say about connection migration in the face of a server that provides too few (including 0) connection IDs? It's a fairly simple trade-off that we can explain. I suspect that different clients will adopt different policies though. And, should we provide a means to request more? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1276 ----==_mimepart_5acb3a01f2d7d_e512ad19ba58ed4748fb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

What - if anything - do we want to say about connection migration in the face of a server that provides too few (including 0) connection IDs? It's a fairly simple trade-off that we can explain. I suspect that different clients will adopt different policies though.

And, should we provide a means to request more?

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In @ekr's review of the connection migration draft, he noted that "failure" is rather imprecise. Does it receipt of a PATH_RESPONSE from the wrong address mean that the path is considered invalid, or do you treat that just like loss and keep sending PATH_CHALLENGE? This could be better defined.

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----==_mimepart_5acb3d55f05bc_53fb2abaccff0ecc1925f1-- From nobody Mon Apr 9 03:16:41 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22017126D05 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 03:16:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oqdf5mYc3aGw for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 03:16:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4EEA2124207 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 03:16:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 03:16:37 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1523268997; bh=QHnMYgmcIjgweTXeICwaVD8tfUGxKreZSEBgoS6h+Gk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=D+yzgyEjepkovURI3/DBXVwHJ3VknDdgQ37BTRug+lngT3N9twK+U1TiFC2gj9Z5A AJVjMtLD2QofRGaBMbT9m21mi1eWd3aOupzbX3jI7SV9g54jQQ5ijBWsF+E9vaS8im PsVxF9geUChQ6yiXG6UAi8hs4pO4BTFovPpc3m5w= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Connection migration failure mode (#1278) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5acb3d85b0eb1_47823f9d71610f2824048d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 10:16:40 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5acb3d85b0eb1_47823f9d71610f2824048d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From @ekr, > To add to my previous comment about attacks, in cases where one side has totally migrated (i.e., only one path is valid), then an attacker can also mess things up pretty severely by just spoofing a response to a PATH_CHALLENGE. I.e., > > 1. I am receiving packets from A > 2. A migrates and so sends me a packet from A' > 3. I send a PATH_CHALLENGE to A' > 4. If the attacker forwards the next packet from A' (likely a PATH_RESPONSE) but rewrites the source address to B, then I will consider the validation failed. What is especially pernicious here is that the migration might not be voluntary, and so there is no option to repair the condition. Multiple challenges make this harder to effect the attack, but that's all. Currently the draft seems to imply that a single PATH_RESPONSE like this is enough to cause the path to be marked as invalid, see #1277. We could decide that this is akin to messing with a handshake and decide to limit our reaction to this to documentating it. But we could also try to make the process more robust, with the caution that pulling on this thread potentially leads to a reiteration of RFC 5245. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1278 ----==_mimepart_5acb3d85b0eb1_47823f9d71610f2824048d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

From @ekr,

To add to my previous comment about attacks, in cases where one side has totally migrated (i.e., only one path is valid), then an attacker can also mess things up pretty severely by just spoofing a response to a PATH_CHALLENGE. I.e.,

  1. I am receiving packets from A
  2. A migrates and so sends me a packet from A'
  3. I send a PATH_CHALLENGE to A'
  4. If the attacker forwards the next packet from A' (likely a PATH_RESPONSE) but rewrites the source address to B, then I will consider the validation failed.

What is especially pernicious here is that the migration might not be voluntary, and so there is no option to repair the condition. Multiple challenges make this harder to effect the attack, but that's all. Currently the draft seems to imply that a single PATH_RESPONSE like this is enough to cause the path to be marked as invalid, see #1277.

We could decide that this is akin to messing with a handshake and decide to limit our reaction to this to documentating it. But we could also try to make the process more robust, with the caution that pulling on this thread potentially leads to a reiteration of RFC 5245.

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----==_mimepart_5acb43b51a44_1c0c3fc0ef3c0f383629f-- From nobody Mon Apr 9 04:54:53 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DC9F124B17 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 04:54:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yGE2FROsYPs8 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 04:54:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B5D551241F5 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 04:54:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=/zlHrIN/urVd/lTWxWvGJOlkPRw=; b=nHjxCZ/Lru44sGvK aZfcXYDPnqfBNpxIs4CmrMi9bhZaML5+gyaT9k1TmhHBmMsVsWhEiPWeK7ahSll/ 4+2hWrJTSUW1ATYupVduFNDXjwKgl5OMg88VY6UCjumZiYkl+RJQ55Bg2PQrXlID 5f1hQjlYGj7gTgn9ykF4HqgIS7o= Received: by filter0484p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0484p1las1-30534-5ACB5447-11 2018-04-09 11:53:43.618588162 +0000 UTC Received: from smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) by ismtpd0009p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 1OGvBI8pTTSqdffdiKkt4Q for ; Mon, 09 Apr 2018 11:53:43.489 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 11:53:43 +0000 (UTC) From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Extension frames (#1068) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5acb544761a53_11562b1f7220cecc3829b3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1MLZj2TSugpjL7Tk8aPRr6Fjs+x7zPRM2Rpm gE343n+5kK5fF/d2REe3nzOacYsUj5MnvWt+BgSPgkBdpqTuymzK8Fvw7qi3rB8Pna4sboWqx6UirT 2qgn+gaU2pe2KRvUoC3avAFa1sntkaB4F34uBj3TJUghZdKmtCn/yJ/2Gw== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 11:54:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5acb544761a53_11562b1f7220cecc3829b3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 9:34 PM, Martin Thomson wrote: > It would be technically possible to use transport parameters like TLS > extensions, which can (and do) change the protocol from the handshake > onwards. > > The coordination disaster arises from the fact that we don't have any way > to manage collisions between different extensions that add the use of new > frames. > I don't see why this is a problem, except for collisions of the frame type IDs. And that can be solved by making that space very large. What am I missing? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1068#issuecomment-379725981 ----==_mimepart_5acb544761a53_11562b1f7220cecc3829b3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 9:34 PM, Martin Thomson <notifications@github.com= >
wrote:

> It would be technically possible to use transport parameters like TLS<= br> > extensions, which can (and do) change the protocol from the handshake<= br> > onwards.
>
> The coordination disaster arises from the fact that we don't have = any way
> to manage collisions between different extensions that add the use of = new
> frames.
>

I don't see why this is a problem, except for collisions of the frame t= ype
IDs. And that can be solved by making that space very large. What am I
missing?

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= ----==_mimepart_5acb544761a53_11562b1f7220cecc3829b3-- From nobody Mon Apr 9 06:00:38 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CE98124BFA for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 06:00:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.172 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.172 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.282, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YTx3bgkiiGpE for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 06:00:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F99F1200F1 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 06:00:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=VSYaLdBh/CzwLfS+0QaG/3agfBw=; b=tDXIx/ot0Osra95G 4Vu2M32olq2bmgppFJSmcJFBNg+7cYAHiZ47yE+UNIx07jF5JnMV/S0xlG0SnPKp caUkZ4yvASozYQyL1XY32nEtxQhOq1dgtbXaDf3MJ93un8E/JG6cwaxbnjk8Oy0S RWnut3fkF4ayYAs4RvrFoM7Lmds= Received: by filter0641p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0641p1mdw1-15904-5ACB63F1-32 2018-04-09 13:00:33.844333407 +0000 UTC Received: from smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) by ismtpd0029p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id eeqNtUw6QkqBK2T5J9gGeg for ; Mon, 09 Apr 2018 13:00:33.812 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 13:00:33 +0000 (UTC) From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Connection migration optional? (#1271) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5acb63f187826_2b553fa72c8e0f2c22318a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak36Ibo4K0eS70WjkJYhkrREnXLv0AcpGdDgo7 Hrf3/Oxsf6t50KtZG8KbHNgzs8LQ1/teHDWZFc9pyvUcm81jD7mcUbwfaM3fOJFp4gi/ENdQH1oHPV rqG0hZEEGSsy1+S07A9mYjdd1xNyaEZpQyg7ic01xgIHUt+380g9/dK3FXC7EW2JPqkvMlLvACbgvH s= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 13:00:37 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5acb63f187826_2b553fa72c8e0f2c22318a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm ok with the "if you don't support migrations, don't send a NEW_CONNECTION_ID" recommendation. I think it's worth adding one sentence about that to the transport draft, if that's our preferred way of indicating connection migration isn't supported. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1271#issuecomment-379743434 ----==_mimepart_5acb63f187826_2b553fa72c8e0f2c22318a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm ok with the "if you don't support migrations, don't send a NEW_CONNE= CTION_ID" recommendation. I think it's worth adding one sentence about tha= t to the transport draft, if that's our preferred way of indicating connect= ion migration isn't supported.

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I'd prefer to stick to the "if you run out of connection IDs and you wan= t to use a new one, 0RTT a new connection" answer unless we think there's a= really compelling case for the extra complexity.

A server that cares about giving a client enough IDs should be able to d= o that without too much work, and it can see which ones have been used.

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Maybe PATH_CHALLENGE/PATH_RESPONSE was for doing proof of address without any handshake data? But if so, we should probably explain that's the intent?

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If the client can acknowledge any of the server's Handshake packets, doesn't that prove ownership of the address, assuming the server's packet numbers are not predictable?

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An acknowledgement only proves the peer saw the right packet number, which may be possible to guess, depending on what we decide with packet number randomization/etc.

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----==_mimepart_5acb6a9883144_531e2b223221aec472373-- From nobody Mon Apr 9 06:34:13 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DBDE1270AB for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 06:34:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.384 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.384 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=0.726, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d3rh2L-iJNaC for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 06:34:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C5E68120726 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 06:34:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 06:34:09 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1523280849; bh=ob1W4VpeQ+Vl+kVuY9O7F1guIrxI6Tpi3qub94kR80w=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=tBphkIQnFeQDvYxf3HKUfPH2F0C3zggMvU/jOB/d90lTEwoi2eaNhswFh44r6QHXm 1LoNLzYKqbd0DBb9QzSw+FBqG0M9sAJZAj8kGai6sm5GsTiniyZW09eiedxbWmz0OM 2GueeGOOOPmCpK348YQmkSq3h4tWNheOabPl28fc= From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Permit CONNECTION_CLOSE in Handshake (#1274) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5acb6bd1d3079_8ed2ad33574eec87906e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 13:34:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5acb6bd1d3079_8ed2ad33574eec87906e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree it can only work if the packet number isn't predictable, and that depends on the final scheme we decide to use for packet numbers. But if it isn't predictable, receiving a packet from an IP address that you sent the packet to, containing information that could only be retrieved from that original packet seems to me, to prove they can receive any packets sent to that IP address. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1274#issuecomment-379753489 ----==_mimepart_5acb6bd1d3079_8ed2ad33574eec87906e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1763,9 +1763,16 @@ gap than it advertised.
 
 Clients MAY change connection ID at any time based on implementation-specific
 concerns.  For example, after a period of network inactivity NAT rebinding might
-occur when the client begins sending data again. A client might wish to reduce
-linkability by employing a new connection ID when sending traffic after a period
-of inactivity.
+occur when the client begins sending data again.
+
+A client might wish to reduce linkability by employing a new connection ID and
+source UDP port when sending traffic after a period of inactivity.  Changing the
+UDP port from which it sends packets at the same time might cause the packet to
+appear as a connection migration. This ensures that the mechanisms that support
+migration are exercised even for clients that don't experience NAT rebindings or
+genuine migrations.  Changing port number can cause a peer to reset its
+congestion state (see {{migration-cc}}), so this action SHOULD only be changed

"so this action SHOULD only be changed infrequently." is not quite right. Did you intend "so this action SHOULD only be taken infrequently."? Or "the port SHOULD only be changed infrequently."?

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"if you don't support migrations, don't send a NEW_CONNECTION_ID" mechan= ism can work as long as it stated that using a new connection ID for gratui= tous migration is a MUST. I would add this requirement in addition to the s= entence that @ianswett requested.

The only downside I can think for this mechanism is that it will preclud= e use of multiple connection IDs on the same path without migration. Do we = foresee use of multiple connection IDs for the same connection for unreliab= le semantics? Is there any other use case for NEW_CONNECTION_ID outside of = gratuitous migration that will get affected?

we should entertain a system whereby clients request new connection IDs = rather than have them provided spontaneously
One problem with requesting connection IDs is that this will anyways have t= o be really early in the connection because if client loses cellular connec= tivity it will not have any means to contact the server over wifi. So for t= he parking lot problem, up front supply of at least one connection ID seems= to be necessary?

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@ianswett approved this pull request.

I'm happy with this, though it reminds me that 32 bit packet numbers in the long header is almost certainly overkill.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -364,7 +364,7 @@ keys are established.
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
 |                       Packet Number (32)                      |

This makes me think we should move to 2 byte packet numbers.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1485,6 +1485,13 @@ path validation with other frames.  For instance, an endpoint may pad a packet
 carrying a PATH_CHALLENGE for PMTU discovery, or an endpoint may bundle a
 PATH_RESPONSE with its own PATH_CHALLENGE.
 
+Differences in routing on the Internet might cause the same destination address
+and connection ID to reach a different server instance which does not possess
+the necessary connection state. Receiving a Stateless Reset in response to a

Yes, that's the attack in #1230. The scope of that key is a deployment issue, and we don't currently have good guidance around that problem. I think limiting the scope of the key is probably the right choice, but unfortunately that's not something the protocol (or even the implementations) control -- it's a deployment decision.

Probably the right choice is some text in Security Considerations.

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I thought we'd discussed and resolved that in St. Pancras', but I don'= t see it in the spec. There are two versions of this:

  • Client wants to migrate, but is out of CIDs: 0-RTT is probably the r= ight answer here.
  • Client has migrated, but server is out of CIDs: Clients should be al= lowed / encouraged to include NCID in probing frames to avoid this. Shou= ld servers be prohibited from sending until they get a new CID?

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= ----==_mimepart_5acbabd8a6042_65bd2b22814b6ecc1303cc-- From nobody Mon Apr 9 11:11:32 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 556D312D893 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 11:11:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.109 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.109 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NU2Dc4jvVPs9 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 11:11:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9680612D890 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 11:11:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=YjIgWrHpLlHT2BtnHKjublg6MDA=; b=D3pEMUOjoMtNqXMD WArMkhw68AH4gK3/cvEw5ldK0oIZmjw02dKOAgKTqYICyI5hTSzvohMph060lNDx 4j4Hx+vL+xCxNcOI1csUNVvmXhwN6yuIYsK8yVEMN+sVYwgeAyMFKOTe3h4UTY2N 3Vxy4keAHOyVFEs4/Kfp1PMNr7U= Received: by filter0663p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0663p1mdw1-3234-5ACBACCA-D 2018-04-09 18:11:22.238831825 +0000 UTC Received: from smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) by ismtpd0037p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 07tV9vBFRXi9Q6uaJN_ZUQ for ; Mon, 09 Apr 2018 18:11:22.199 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 18:11:22 +0000 (UTC) From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] HoLB from NCID frames (#1280) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5acbacc9ec372_32ef3fa156856f381689d2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1asXkt6fNDaGONO/TjIt08hFjXquVbkBnFob 43TirmjUlsdD1H7PqgP/sHQSbnw5laUhElr85jld0bccoH5d45vuvcgS9X+Meg1b26t/PA2yjfVBRE q5ipTI/K65c+mnoezocwjBIiJ4tavWfR4ZU5YpPkfaXacsbEvOpe6Le1t7Z9lBjicGhQgSIaGvLIBU E= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 18:11:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5acbacc9ec372_32ef3fa156856f381689d2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames are defined to be sequential (because the packet number gaps are cumulative), receipt of NCID frames out of order requires reassembly; the later CIDs aren't usable without the previous ones. This is particularly pernicious in the situations described in #1276, where one side is effectively out of CIDs, while the other side believes it has many future IDs issued. Possibly solutions include: - Eliminating the packet number gap via #1079 - Switching from a gap to an offset, so that CIDs need not be used sequentially In either case, the CIDs associated with a connection would become an unordered set, rather than a list in fixed order. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1280 ----==_mimepart_5acbacc9ec372_32ef3fa156856f381689d2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Since NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames are defined to be sequential (because the packet number gaps are cumulative), receipt of NCID frames out of order requires reassembly; the later CIDs aren't usable without the previous ones. This is particularly pernicious in the situations described in #1276, where one side is effectively out of CIDs, while the other side believes it has many future IDs issued.

Possibly solutions include:

  • Eliminating the packet number gap via #1079
  • Switching from a gap to an offset, so that CIDs need not be used sequentially

In either case, the CIDs associated with a connection would become an unordered set, rather than a list in fixed order.

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This seems OK, but why bother to have extra packet types. We've already = expanded the long header quite a bit to make room for the two directional C= IDs. Why not just add a length varint and have only one header form

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In regards to @ekr. If we're going to make the length varint and always present(which I'm happy with), can we make the packet number varint(but not relative) too for consistency?

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For the context of this PR, I'd slightly favor adding a varint length to= all long headers, as EKR suggested.

We can discuss packet numbers elsewhere, because as you said @mikkelfj, it may be complicated.

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If we assume packet numbers are vartiable length and the PNE scheme is m= odified to attach the PN at the end as I proposed earlier, then the followi= ng extension could handle the length encoding AND provide a fast sanity che= ck of packet validity.

Given the cleartext PN in a 32-bit word (assuming we never encode more t= han that), the length is given as a 2 bit number. This length can be stored= in the last octet of packet, after the encrypted PN. The remaining 6 bits = are used as follows:

C std lib has fast low quality PRNG:

int rand() {
return (((holdrand =3D holdrand * 214013L + 2531011L) >> 16) & 0x= 7fff);
}

PN_checksum =3D (((PN * 214013L + 2531011L) >> 22) & 0xfc) | (= PN_len - 1)
where PN_len is length in 1 to 4 octets.

The exact details may vary, but the point is a single fast 32-bit multip= lication.

The length of the packet number can now be immediately decoded from the = tail byte.
The packet number checksum can be verified immediately after decrypting the= packet number.
If it fails there is roughly (and biased) a 1 / 64 chance that a packet wit= h random content will have matching PN checksum. This can weed out trial de= cryption of the entire packet very fast. This in turn, can be used as a fas= t packet filter - even without having the full traffic key but just the les= s sensitive PN key.

Note that exposing the PN length can contribute to connection linkage si= nce it says something about the connection data volume or age.

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----==_mimepart_5acbda8080cfc_3a0b2b11a582cecc16286c-- From nobody Mon Apr 9 15:15:24 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8107212D7F8 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 15:15:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8vCiw47tl-OA for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 15:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 82E2212D7F6 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 15:15:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=tL/7Iwpi79bXJ7Q6ziZeYKLDjAQ=; b=ADD1M453aq3pjXlu vpWXZSnL4sq7jc77DBQjKu6bolZ4IveWO/jn9jxpEHwEIAYN02kvodp+PM4vp6N/ nMMgjf4xQK8XZD3Ii2xI0ms9eN4eHZbnkFbD0x5mkDFqWabZzzIfzPbgxT1fp/ra Wk7jT/8w3SFCtEAQ1RG/qVjqDuU= Received: by filter0013p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0013p1las1-25129-5ACBE5E4-30 2018-04-09 22:15:01.021981134 +0000 UTC Received: from smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) by ismtpd0007p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 0UotdwyQRmKDAwr0efnseg for ; Mon, 09 Apr 2018 22:15:00.913 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 22:15:01 +0000 (UTC) From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] define compound packets (#1262) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5acbe5e4c431e_6eeb3f8ce422ef381406d6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3Mozvh/69YjtIA44aBk7e4ReOvN4NoKs1bOl bUiJHEHPFhXFq2nJn4PnB1mWZ87t9dwtTvv+v4SG6HyNwerfVmBYRFE2/dIZQq5FCsNg2pLo9xQHqx Fo+CEL5JOGh7Wy2Zdr4+MJzxBsyIVNByjzklIqy00PgWcyK3BL1cb/zhaUcbjMradjVgTBuQnLU925 A= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 22:15:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5acbe5e4c431e_6eeb3f8ce422ef381406d6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @MikeBishop @ianswett @ekr @mikkelfj Thank you all. > Why not just add a length varint and have only one header form? I will do this. OTOH, I agree with @ianswett that how PN of a long header is encoded should better be discussed separately. Reasons: i) they *can* be discussed separately ii) representation of a PN depends on #1079 iii) representation of a PN may depend on the outcome of the stream 0 redesign. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1262#issuecomment-379910581 ----==_mimepart_5acbe5e4c431e_6eeb3f8ce422ef381406d6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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= ----==_mimepart_5acbe5e4c431e_6eeb3f8ce422ef381406d6-- From nobody Mon Apr 9 15:54:54 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE4C012D86E for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 15:54:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oNJsZOQHt9Ia for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 15:54:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EE1B71243F6 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 15:54:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=4yvt3ufsQgG/uAtTeTu6f2a1JGY=; b=PNVmz0rK/U3xOZnv GYLyOSdKv+kXhZLtIq26KcNglseRaXXrgAYl/xFXJndhOME6LO0jLO7ujyJYuuPC EcGunbB7x8JtV1A6aPMWAzmhQ6KWJ4KbldMwgPcmrBbm3ISVbP7PlbqP50EW8VjP pm+eBWJmh5GledGfJb5DAYqR+cM= Received: by filter0262p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0262p1las1-22373-5ACBEF39-1E 2018-04-09 22:54:49.593781208 +0000 UTC Received: from smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) by ismtpd0045p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id Feycg3VaTbKVqZiUzdGElQ for ; Mon, 09 Apr 2018 22:54:49.506 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 22:54:49 +0000 (UTC) From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] define compound packets (#1262) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5acbef393c43a_56e72b27944e0ed01156b9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3o/m10PoWc21ny9ruea4RM91Os90rII9eHNI 0QXhOPsIRDYlEMUWgsnXLlv3f/f/FkAVARO8vR7nAMmMf3iz6zNSk+pyeU2EGxyEn1A2FTyEQTnBEO T34ria41kxb55+YQLZzBRN8MX1R+J+RF12SJlrJiUv+jGGuI3rFwWzGw/nTUUjjzCZ4ZibIjHxj1OM A= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 22:54:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5acbef393c43a_56e72b27944e0ed01156b9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh sorry, I meant to post this PN scheme elsewhere - completely ignoring Ians request by mistake. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1262#issuecomment-379918902 ----==_mimepart_5acbef393c43a_56e72b27944e0ed01156b9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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If we assume packet numbers are variable length and the PNE scheme is = modified to attach the PN at the end as I proposed earlier, then the foll= owing extension could handle the length encoding AND provide a fast sanit= y check of packet validity.

Given the cleartext PN in a 32-bit word (assuming we never encode more= than that), the length is given as a 2 bit number. This length can be st= ored in the last octet of the packet, after the encrypted PN. The remaini= ng 6 bits are used as follows:

C std lib has fast low quality PRNG:

int rand() {
return (((holdrand =3D holdrand * 214013L + 2531011L) >> 16) & = 0x7fff);
}
we modify this algorithm to

PN_checksum =3D (((PN * 214013L + 2531011L) >> 22) & 0xfc) |= (PN_len - 1)
where PN_len is length in 1 to 4 octets.

The exact details may vary, but the point is a single fast 32-bit mult= iplication.

The length of the packet number can now be immediately decoded from th= e tail octet.
The packet number checksum can be verified immediately after decrypting t= he packet number.
If it fails there is roughly (and biased) a 1 / 64 chance that a packet w= ith random content will have matching PN checksum. This can weed out tria= l decryption of the entire packet very fast. This in turn, can be used as= a fast packet filter - even without having the full traffic key but just= the less sensitive PN key.

Note that exposing the PN length can contribute to connection linkage = since it says something about the connection data volume or age.

Also note that a fast packet rejection can be used with a timing attac= k to conclude whether a packet number is likely valid - this must be bala= nced against DoS risk.

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That seems silly and a lot of work. Rather, this should just be about ACK-only frames. Commit: 32f3bd9c4c5f7cbec074538350ebe52ead81e2d5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/32f3bd9c4c5f7cbec074538350ebe52ead81e2d5 Author: EKR Date: 2018-03-19 (Mon, 19 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Rephrase the text about one-way sending Commit: 0359cc729efc4575fda5c918c12b011e2c4ac94b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0359cc729efc4575fda5c918c12b011e2c4ac94b Author: EKR Date: 2018-03-19 (Mon, 19 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Update per comments Commit: 0ad934aa255ef95b99f0c73cfc4e5e5c18aba5fa https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0ad934aa255ef95b99f0c73cfc4e5e5c18aba5fa Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-04-04 (Wed, 04 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Ian's tweak Commit: 88d27ac86361f43baad911fdceaa02c450deef64 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/88d27ac86361f43baad911fdceaa02c450deef64 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-04-04 (Wed, 04 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Tweaking some more Commit: 02d558a31d3651f8078c499215f5493bfa4d1320 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/02d558a31d3651f8078c499215f5493bfa4d1320 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-04-10 (Tue, 10 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1231 from ekr/ack_frame_counting Restrict ACK-clocking to ACK-only frames. 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= ----==_mimepart_5acc071a9eb94_573d2adae20d8ecc63786-- From nobody Mon Apr 9 17:40:23 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EA00126C0F for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 17:40:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.463 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.463 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09TWSGCmb-D3 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 17:40:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5DB90120227 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 17:40:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=nm4WKIMZ/Cm5U0hU6rXoTrv29Sw=; b=UWMnSaAzggeDtpcZ ytGhf7x0EIoIHvoobp8qzYxOvumODmxvdVd1y3vDWUtpbUt62XsrrXBc6WVPNILq YnxBltkjGtdI4YG/c7s34aMTIgq/tfxs8aPF00iq1jPaYN5keFCrZW2HX+TOjOmM +J4gRc0bBksWp97o8zr7NoAlqwA= Received: by filter0228p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0228p1las1-27797-5ACC07F3-6 2018-04-10 00:40:19.191316037 +0000 UTC Received: from smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) by ismtpd0044p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id S5B8vZlhQs6ffqWfJAgdIQ for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2018 00:40:19.088 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2018 00:40:19 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Document the use of PATH_CHALLENGE/_RESPONSE in handshake (#1281) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5acc07f2cdfe9_61d3fe93ecccf3818003b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3OQNCVwTqNNXHHAE8vSevPth68+oR8uHUUeB BWJc0J9sdXXE6NO7ngx+hrSe4rrT1YjDEaBX/dDggJl5OmhXwCx62YrMT18cN4ltqxmSSaqKtrhy17 m89iGzYqG/xVoyLfYCq04DBI5pH++A1RKAMubOxhkqtvmPT9Ays0p6nfyLBqijHj8Xm5m/bHBSPxyL w= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2018 00:40:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5acc07f2cdfe9_61d3fe93ecccf3818003b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit These exist to allow the server to test the path before sending a large set of handshake messages, given that we cap to three. It's only implicit in the Handshake packet description. It needs to be much clearer. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1281 ----==_mimepart_5acc07f2cdfe9_61d3fe93ecccf3818003b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

These exist to allow the server to test the path before sending a large set of handshake messages, given that we cap to three. It's only implicit in the Handshake packet description. It needs to be much clearer.

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Yes, my plan was to resolve #1079 and then later remove the sequence number. Thanks for opening this Mike.

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Yes, let's solve one problem at a time. The idea of a varint packet num= ber is pretty appealing to me, and I don't think that the stream 0= changes will necessarily change it, but we should probably wait and see.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1485,6 +1485,13 @@ path validation with other frames.  For instance, an endpoint may pad a packet
 carrying a PATH_CHALLENGE for PMTU discovery, or an endpoint may bundle a
 PATH_RESPONSE with its own PATH_CHALLENGE.
 
+Differences in routing on the Internet might cause the same destination address
+and connection ID to reach a different server instance which does not possess
+the necessary connection state. Receiving a Stateless Reset in response to a

@MikeBishop Thank you for the answer and pointing to your comment on #1230, I missed that. I will make my future comments there.

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----==_mimepart_5acc1bc437944_7bd83fceb13eaf3495223-- From nobody Mon Apr 9 19:30:23 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DFF9126D45 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 19:30:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kYe8pUjcYgCf for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 19:30:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E08951270FC for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 19:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 19:30:17 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1523327417; bh=PLKSY1gZY7m6sVWAWvugyOdiscLoYTihth1hGUMUmCo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ct1LR2+7z1lrcf7B11ESGxU628xipAn9J06SahwYn39xD7GffmORqxaCBZs3migkX mBTPeOqKMG6QscphhVu2Aw4rsYJBFYEKfYdhJBo8Ghm0/iLKlQ/nX8mDujU5iXxJfM EpMZUTBFRw1zluHCcVmyTCp2cNZ1iZum0csxMhts= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Stateless Reset needs "on-path" proof (#1230) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5acc21b9d3fa1_38023fdca85c6f3890812"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2018 02:30:21 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5acc21b9d3fa1_38023fdca85c6f3890812 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While I agree that this can be considered a deployment issue, I think we should forbid servers deploying the same static secret used for generating the stateless reset token among the servers that do not share the connection state, because it not only goes against what "authenticated" reset is but also has privacy concerns. My understanding is that many of the server-side deployments that care about this are those that use BGP to distribute their packets among multiple POPs. Those operators tend to serve multiple hostnames. That means unless we mandate such server operators to provide stateless reset tokens only in a secure manner, attackers can force a connection to terminate (by using a stateless reset token obtained from a different POP) and then see the SNI carried in the handshake of a new connection. Therefore, I think that we should either forbid server deployments from sharing the static key without sharing connection state, or, look for a technical approach to prevent the attack. One such approach would be something like below: * for every QUIC connection, let the server advertise a "state-store ID" that designates the ID of the state-store that the connection is bound to * let a Stateless Reset packet carry encrypted data, which is encrypted by a key (other than stateless reset token) derived from the server CID and the static key used to generate the stateless reset token * that encryption key will be sent together with the stateless reset token in the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame * a Stateless Reset packet will carry the "state-store ID" of the server that sends the Stateless Reset encrypted * a client can compare the "state-store ID" of the connection with the value found in the Stateless Reset, and determine that: * if the values match, the connection has been reset * if the values do not match, the path is being rejected WDYT? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1230#issuecomment-379953976 ----==_mimepart_5acc21b9d3fa1_38023fdca85c6f3890812 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

While I agree that this can be considered a deployment issue, I think = we should forbid servers deploying the same static secret used for genera= ting the stateless reset token among the servers that do not share the co= nnection state, because it not only goes against what "authenticated" res= et is but also has privacy concerns.

My understanding is that many of the server-side deployments that care= about this are those that use BGP to distribute their packets among mult= iple POPs. Those operators tend to serve multiple hostnames.

That means unless we mandate such server operators to provide stateles= s reset tokens only in a secure manner, attackers can force a connection = to terminate (by using a stateless reset token obtained from a different = POP) and then see the SNI carried in the handshake of a new connection.

Therefore, I think that we should either forbid server deployments fro= m sharing the static key without sharing connection state, or, look for a= technical approach to prevent the attack.

One such approach would be something like below:

  • for every QUIC connection, let the server advertise a "state-store ID= " that designates the ID of the state-store that the connection is bound = to
  • let a Stateless Reset packet carry encrypted data, which is encrypted= by a key (other than stateless reset token) derived from the server CID = and the static key used to generate the stateless reset token
    • that encryption key will be sent together with the stateless reset to= ken in the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame
  • a Stateless Reset packet will carry the "state-store ID" of the serve= r that sends the Stateless Reset encrypted
  • a client can compare the "state-store ID" of the connection with the = value found in the Stateless Reset, and determine that:
    • if the values match, the connection has been reset
    • if the values do not match, the path is being rejected

WDYT?

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If the state and key storage is co-extant, then the packet that hits a different store will generate a response that the client won't recognize as a valid stateless reset. So I'm failing to see how the extra steps you describe help with the problem. Unless you are suggesting that this key needs to be global (unlike the token, which is scoped to a particular zone). I don't think going global works though. An attacker can obtain a key for a given connection ID in one cluster and use it - in combination with the stateless reset oracle Mike described - to attack another. If we wanted to prove that the server can generate the Stateless Reset without compromising later uses of the Stateless Reset, then we could feed the incoming packet into the process. For example, rather than include the token in the stateless reset directly, it includes a constant value that is generated by using `HMAC(token, some fixed content)` (or use HKDF[1]). A client can use that to detect that this is a stateless reset. In addition, the reset might also include a separate proof of receipt such as `HMAC(token, incoming packet or part thereof)`. A client might choose to ignore a stateless reset that had an invalid secondary proof. Of course, the risk here is that clients don't track enough from their outbound packets to reconstruct the input to the HMAC. After all, it requires tracking packet ciphertext - no other part of a packet is unpredictable enough. So they might have to treat receipt of a possible stateless reset as a trigger to enable whatever tracking they need, after which they send another packet and hopefully get a stateless reset. Aside from adding a whole round trip to the process, it just more than doubled the cost of a stateless reset at the server. 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Yes, if the extent of the state storage distribution matches the extent = of the key distribution, which is a natural design, then this is naturally = OK.

@kazuho, I'm struggling with your state store ID = design. If the state and key storage is co-extant, then the packet that hi= ts a different store will generate a response that the client won't recogni= ze as a valid stateless reset. So I'm failing to see how the extra steps y= ou describe help with the problem.

Unless you are suggesting that this key needs to be global (unlike the t= oken, which is scoped to a particular zone). I don't think going global wo= rks though. An attacker can obtain a key for a given connection ID in one = cluster and use it - in combination with the stateless reset oracle Mike de= scribed - to attack another.

If we wanted to prove that the server can generate the Stateless Reset w= ithout compromising later uses of the Stateless Reset, then we could feed t= he incoming packet into the process. For example, rather than include the = token in the stateless reset directly, it includes a constant value that is= generated by using HMAC(token, some fixed content) (or use HK= DF[1]). A client can use that to detect that this is a stateless reset. I= n addition, the reset might also include a separate proof of receipt such a= s HMAC(token, incoming packet or part thereof). A client migh= t choose to ignore a stateless reset that had an invalid secondary proof.

Of course, the risk here is that clients don't track enough from their o= utbound packets to reconstruct the input to the HMAC. After all, it requir= es tracking packet ciphertext - no other part of a packet is unpredictable = enough. So they might have to treat receipt of a possible stateless reset = as a trigger to enable whatever tracking they need, after which they send a= nother packet and hopefully get a stateless reset. Aside from adding a who= le round trip to the process, it just more than doubled the cost of a state= less reset at the server.

[1] We originally have another hash for stateless resets, but removed th= at in favour of the current, simpler design.

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This seems like a good change. Nits only, the structure and content is basically fine. > @@ -552,7 +552,7 @@ older than 1.3 is negotiated. QUIC requires that the initial handshake packet from a client fit within the payload of a single packet. The size limits on QUIC packets mean that a record -containing a ClientHello needs to fit within 1171 octets. +containing a ClientHello needs to fit within 1170 octets. An 1170 octet ClientHello will have a two octet length, so this needs to be 1169. > @@ -403,10 +405,13 @@ Packet Number: : Octets 13 to 16 contain the packet number. {{packet-numbers}} describes the use of packet numbers. +Payload Length: + +: The length of the Payload field in octets. ...encoded as a variable-length integer. > @@ -678,6 +691,22 @@ packet protection in detail. After decryption, the plaintext consists of a sequence of frames, as described in {{frames}}. +## Compound Packets {#packet-compound} + +A sender can combine multiple QUIC packets (typically a Cryptographic Handshake +packet and a Protected packet) into one UDP packet, thereby reducing the number s/UDP packet/UDP datagram/ > @@ -678,6 +691,22 @@ packet protection in detail. After decryption, the plaintext consists of a sequence of frames, as described in {{frames}}. +## Compound Packets {#packet-compound} + +A sender can combine multiple QUIC packets (typically a Cryptographic Handshake +packet and a Protected packet) into one UDP packet, thereby reducing the number +of UDP packets required to be emitted when application data can be sent during End the sentence at the comma. Then "This can reduce the number of UDP datagrams that are needed to complete the handshake when multiple types of packets are sent at the same time." > @@ -678,6 +691,22 @@ packet protection in detail. After decryption, the plaintext consists of a sequence of frames, as described in {{frames}}. +## Compound Packets {#packet-compound} + +A sender can combine multiple QUIC packets (typically a Cryptographic Handshake +packet and a Protected packet) into one UDP packet, thereby reducing the number +of UDP packets required to be emitted when application data can be sent during +the handshake. Add: "A packet with a short header doesn't include a length, so it has to be the last packet included in a UDP datagram." > @@ -586,12 +596,15 @@ The first Initial packet that is sent by a client contains a randomized packet number. All subsequent packets contain a packet number that is incremented by one, see ({{packet-numbers}}). -The payload of a Initial packet consists of a STREAM frame (or frames) -for stream 0 containing a cryptographic handshake message, with enough PADDING -frames that the packet is at least 1200 octets (see {{packetization}}). The -stream in this packet always starts at an offset of 0 (see {{stateless-retry}}) -and the complete cryptographic handshake message MUST fit in a single packet -(see {{handshake}}). +The payload of an Initial packet conveys a STREAM frame (or frames) for stream +0 containing a cryptographic handshake message. The stream in this packet +always starts at an offset of 0 (see {{stateless-retry}}) and the complete +cryptographic handshake message MUST fit in a single packet (see {{handshake}}). + +The payload of a UDP packet carrying the Initial packet MUST be expanded to at UDP datagram. > @@ -586,12 +596,15 @@ The first Initial packet that is sent by a client contains a randomized packet number. All subsequent packets contain a packet number that is incremented by one, see ({{packet-numbers}}). -The payload of a Initial packet consists of a STREAM frame (or frames) -for stream 0 containing a cryptographic handshake message, with enough PADDING -frames that the packet is at least 1200 octets (see {{packetization}}). The -stream in this packet always starts at an offset of 0 (see {{stateless-retry}}) -and the complete cryptographic handshake message MUST fit in a single packet -(see {{handshake}}). +The payload of an Initial packet conveys a STREAM frame (or frames) for stream +0 containing a cryptographic handshake message. The stream in this packet +always starts at an offset of 0 (see {{stateless-retry}}) and the complete +cryptographic handshake message MUST fit in a single packet (see {{handshake}}). + +The payload of a UDP packet carrying the Initial packet MUST be expanded to at +least 1200 octets (see {{packetization}}), by adding PADDING frames to the +Initial packet and/or by combining the Initial packet with a Protected packet +(see {{packet-compound}}). s/Protected packet/0-RTT packet/ No point in being any less precise than needed. > @@ -678,6 +691,22 @@ packet protection in detail. After decryption, the plaintext consists of a sequence of frames, as described in {{frames}}. +## Compound Packets {#packet-compound} + +A sender can combine multiple QUIC packets (typically a Cryptographic Handshake +packet and a Protected packet) into one UDP packet, thereby reducing the number +of UDP packets required to be emitted when application data can be sent during +the handshake. + +The sender MUST NOT combine QUIC packets belonging to different QUIC +connections into a single UDP packet. datagram > @@ -678,6 +691,22 @@ packet protection in detail. After decryption, the plaintext consists of a sequence of frames, as described in {{frames}}. +## Compound Packets {#packet-compound} + +A sender can combine multiple QUIC packets (typically a Cryptographic Handshake +packet and a Protected packet) into one UDP packet, thereby reducing the number +of UDP packets required to be emitted when application data can be sent during +the handshake. + +The sender MUST NOT combine QUIC packets belonging to different QUIC +connections into a single UDP packet. + +Every QUIC packet that is being conveyed in a compound UDP packet is a complete +QUIC packet. No fields in the packet header are omitted. The receiver of a +compound UDP packet MUST individually process each QUIC packet and separately +acknowledge them, as if they were received as distinct UDP packets. s/as distinct UDP packets/as the payload of different UDP datagrams/ -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

This seems like a good change. Nits only, the structure and content is basically fine.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -552,7 +552,7 @@ older than 1.3 is negotiated.
 
 QUIC requires that the initial handshake packet from a client fit within the
 payload of a single packet.  The size limits on QUIC packets mean that a record
-containing a ClientHello needs to fit within 1171 octets.
+containing a ClientHello needs to fit within 1170 octets.

An 1170 octet ClientHello will have a two octet length, so this needs to be 1169.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -403,10 +405,13 @@ Packet Number:
 : Octets 13 to 16 contain the packet number.  {{packet-numbers}} describes the
   use of packet numbers.
 
+Payload Length:
+
+: The length of the Payload field in octets.

...encoded as a variable-length integer.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -678,6 +691,22 @@ packet protection in detail.  After decryption, the plaintext consists of a
 sequence of frames, as described in {{frames}}.
 
 
+## Compound Packets {#packet-compound}
+
+A sender can combine multiple QUIC packets (typically a Cryptographic Handshake
+packet and a Protected packet) into one UDP packet, thereby reducing the number

s/UDP packet/UDP datagram/

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -678,6 +691,22 @@ packet protection in detail.  After decryption, the plaintext consists of a
 sequence of frames, as described in {{frames}}.
 
 
+## Compound Packets {#packet-compound}
+
+A sender can combine multiple QUIC packets (typically a Cryptographic Handshake
+packet and a Protected packet) into one UDP packet, thereby reducing the number
+of UDP packets required to be emitted when application data can be sent during

End the sentence at the comma. Then "This can reduce the number of UDP datagrams that are needed to complete the handshake when multiple types of packets are sent at the same time."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -678,6 +691,22 @@ packet protection in detail.  After decryption, the plaintext consists of a
 sequence of frames, as described in {{frames}}.
 
 
+## Compound Packets {#packet-compound}
+
+A sender can combine multiple QUIC packets (typically a Cryptographic Handshake
+packet and a Protected packet) into one UDP packet, thereby reducing the number
+of UDP packets required to be emitted when application data can be sent during
+the handshake.

Add: "A packet with a short header doesn't include a length, so it has to be the last packet included in a UDP datagram."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -586,12 +596,15 @@ The first Initial packet that is sent by a client contains a randomized packet
 number.  All subsequent packets contain a packet number that is incremented by
 one, see ({{packet-numbers}}).
 
-The payload of a Initial packet consists of a STREAM frame (or frames)
-for stream 0 containing a cryptographic handshake message, with enough PADDING
-frames that the packet is at least 1200 octets (see {{packetization}}).  The
-stream in this packet always starts at an offset of 0 (see {{stateless-retry}})
-and the complete cryptographic handshake message MUST fit in a single packet
-(see {{handshake}}).
+The payload of an Initial packet conveys a STREAM frame (or frames) for stream
+0 containing a cryptographic handshake message.  The stream in this packet
+always starts at an offset of 0 (see {{stateless-retry}}) and the complete
+cryptographic handshake message MUST fit in a single packet (see {{handshake}}).
+
+The payload of a UDP packet carrying the Initial packet MUST be expanded to at

UDP datagram.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -586,12 +596,15 @@ The first Initial packet that is sent by a client contains a randomized packet
 number.  All subsequent packets contain a packet number that is incremented by
 one, see ({{packet-numbers}}).
 
-The payload of a Initial packet consists of a STREAM frame (or frames)
-for stream 0 containing a cryptographic handshake message, with enough PADDING
-frames that the packet is at least 1200 octets (see {{packetization}}).  The
-stream in this packet always starts at an offset of 0 (see {{stateless-retry}})
-and the complete cryptographic handshake message MUST fit in a single packet
-(see {{handshake}}).
+The payload of an Initial packet conveys a STREAM frame (or frames) for stream
+0 containing a cryptographic handshake message.  The stream in this packet
+always starts at an offset of 0 (see {{stateless-retry}}) and the complete
+cryptographic handshake message MUST fit in a single packet (see {{handshake}}).
+
+The payload of a UDP packet carrying the Initial packet MUST be expanded to at
+least 1200 octets (see {{packetization}}), by adding PADDING frames to the
+Initial packet and/or by combining the Initial packet with a Protected packet
+(see {{packet-compound}}).

s/Protected packet/0-RTT packet/

No point in being any less precise than needed.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -678,6 +691,22 @@ packet protection in detail.  After decryption, the plaintext consists of a
 sequence of frames, as described in {{frames}}.
 
 
+## Compound Packets {#packet-compound}
+
+A sender can combine multiple QUIC packets (typically a Cryptographic Handshake
+packet and a Protected packet) into one UDP packet, thereby reducing the number
+of UDP packets required to be emitted when application data can be sent during
+the handshake.
+
+The sender MUST NOT combine QUIC packets belonging to different QUIC
+connections into a single UDP packet.

datagram

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -678,6 +691,22 @@ packet protection in detail.  After decryption, the plaintext consists of a
 sequence of frames, as described in {{frames}}.
 
 
+## Compound Packets {#packet-compound}
+
+A sender can combine multiple QUIC packets (typically a Cryptographic Handshake
+packet and a Protected packet) into one UDP packet, thereby reducing the number
+of UDP packets required to be emitted when application data can be sent during
+the handshake.
+
+The sender MUST NOT combine QUIC packets belonging to different QUIC
+connections into a single UDP packet.
+
+Every QUIC packet that is being conveyed in a compound UDP packet is a complete
+QUIC packet.  No fields in the packet header are omitted.  The receiver of a
+compound UDP packet MUST individually process each QUIC packet and separately
+acknowledge them, as if they were received as distinct UDP packets.

s/as distinct UDP packets/as the payload of different UDP datagrams/

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OK, thanks for clearing that up. I think that you have an attack, though= it might not be that interesting.

Connection IDs are scoped to a state store, whereas your proposed key is= global. That means that an attacker that can learn the key for a given con= nection ID in any state store can use it to attack all other state stores. = For high entropy connection IDs, that takes some doing, but it isn't generi= cally safe, especially now we allow as little as 32 bits.

Thank you for considering the approach and pointing out the issue. I had= not considered of the attack vector.

And considering of the attack vector, I realize that there is a less com= plex approach.

Assuming that the ID of the POP (i.e. the "state-store") is included in = the DCID, a server can determine if it should have known the state a connec= tion that the DCID designates, and send a connection reset or a path reject= ion based on that.

With that said, I am personally fine with requiring co-extant state<= /em>. As expressed in #1230 (comment), my intent behind the proposal h= as been under the premise that some might want to reject path creation when= packets arrive at a POP that does not have access tho the state store.

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Yeah, I don't think that path rejection is going to work that well. Pack= ets that arrive at a POP that doesn't have access to a state store will eit= her enter a black-hole (if they know about the connection ID, in which case= it will be dropped after packet protection removal fails), or generate a s= tateless reset. More of the latter as connection IDs get longer and more s= parse.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -552,7 +552,7 @@ older than 1.3 is negotiated.
 
 QUIC requires that the initial handshake packet from a client fit within the
 payload of a single packet.  The size limits on QUIC packets mean that a record
-containing a ClientHello needs to fit within 1171 octets.
+containing a ClientHello needs to fit within 1170 octets.

At the moment the PR states that Payload Length field is a varint, and therefore the minimum overhead is 1 octet. Do you think that we should change it to a fix length of 2 octets?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -678,6 +691,22 @@ packet protection in detail.  After decryption, the plaintext consists of a
 sequence of frames, as described in {{frames}}.
 
 
+## Compound Packets {#packet-compound}
+
+A sender can combine multiple QUIC packets (typically a Cryptographic Handshake
+packet and a Protected packet) into one UDP packet, thereby reducing the number

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -678,6 +691,22 @@ packet protection in detail.  After decryption, the plaintext consists of a
 sequence of frames, as described in {{frames}}.
 
 
+## Compound Packets {#packet-compound}
+
+A sender can combine multiple QUIC packets (typically a Cryptographic Handshake
+packet and a Protected packet) into one UDP packet, thereby reducing the number
+of UDP packets required to be emitted when application data can be sent during

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -678,6 +691,22 @@ packet protection in detail.  After decryption, the plaintext consists of a
 sequence of frames, as described in {{frames}}.
 
 
+## Compound Packets {#packet-compound}
+
+A sender can combine multiple QUIC packets (typically a Cryptographic Handshake
+packet and a Protected packet) into one UDP packet, thereby reducing the number
+of UDP packets required to be emitted when application data can be sent during
+the handshake.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -586,12 +596,15 @@ The first Initial packet that is sent by a client contains a randomized packet
 number.  All subsequent packets contain a packet number that is incremented by
 one, see ({{packet-numbers}}).
 
-The payload of a Initial packet consists of a STREAM frame (or frames)
-for stream 0 containing a cryptographic handshake message, with enough PADDING
-frames that the packet is at least 1200 octets (see {{packetization}}).  The
-stream in this packet always starts at an offset of 0 (see {{stateless-retry}})
-and the complete cryptographic handshake message MUST fit in a single packet
-(see {{handshake}}).
+The payload of an Initial packet conveys a STREAM frame (or frames) for stream
+0 containing a cryptographic handshake message.  The stream in this packet
+always starts at an offset of 0 (see {{stateless-retry}}) and the complete
+cryptographic handshake message MUST fit in a single packet (see {{handshake}}).
+
+The payload of a UDP packet carrying the Initial packet MUST be expanded to at

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -586,12 +596,15 @@ The first Initial packet that is sent by a client contains a randomized packet
 number.  All subsequent packets contain a packet number that is incremented by
 one, see ({{packet-numbers}}).
 
-The payload of a Initial packet consists of a STREAM frame (or frames)
-for stream 0 containing a cryptographic handshake message, with enough PADDING
-frames that the packet is at least 1200 octets (see {{packetization}}).  The
-stream in this packet always starts at an offset of 0 (see {{stateless-retry}})
-and the complete cryptographic handshake message MUST fit in a single packet
-(see {{handshake}}).
+The payload of an Initial packet conveys a STREAM frame (or frames) for stream
+0 containing a cryptographic handshake message.  The stream in this packet
+always starts at an offset of 0 (see {{stateless-retry}}) and the complete
+cryptographic handshake message MUST fit in a single packet (see {{handshake}}).
+
+The payload of a UDP packet carrying the Initial packet MUST be expanded to at
+least 1200 octets (see {{packetization}}), by adding PADDING frames to the
+Initial packet and/or by combining the Initial packet with a Protected packet
+(see {{packet-compound}}).

Done in d5b7312.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -678,6 +691,22 @@ packet protection in detail.  After decryption, the plaintext consists of a
 sequence of frames, as described in {{frames}}.
 
 
+## Compound Packets {#packet-compound}
+
+A sender can combine multiple QUIC packets (typically a Cryptographic Handshake
+packet and a Protected packet) into one UDP packet, thereby reducing the number
+of UDP packets required to be emitted when application data can be sent during
+the handshake.
+
+The sender MUST NOT combine QUIC packets belonging to different QUIC
+connections into a single UDP packet.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -678,6 +691,22 @@ packet protection in detail.  After decryption, the plaintext consists of a
 sequence of frames, as described in {{frames}}.
 
 
+## Compound Packets {#packet-compound}
+
+A sender can combine multiple QUIC packets (typically a Cryptographic Handshake
+packet and a Protected packet) into one UDP packet, thereby reducing the number
+of UDP packets required to be emitted when application data can be sent during
+the handshake.
+
+The sender MUST NOT combine QUIC packets belonging to different QUIC
+connections into a single UDP packet.
+
+Every QUIC packet that is being conveyed in a compound UDP packet is a complete
+QUIC packet.  No fields in the packet header are omitted.  The receiver of a
+compound UDP packet MUST individually process each QUIC packet and separately
+acknowledge them, as if they were received as distinct UDP packets.

Done in 49d6f96.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -552,7 +552,7 @@ older than 1.3 is negotiated.
 
 QUIC requires that the initial handshake packet from a client fit within the
 payload of a single packet.  The size limits on QUIC packets mean that a record
-containing a ClientHello needs to fit within 1171 octets.
+containing a ClientHello needs to fit within 1170 octets.

If the packet is this big, then the length will be 2 octets. You can't have encode 1170 (or 1169) in one octet. Obviously, if the ClientHello is smaller, then the length might only be 1 octet, but I think that one octet is impossible. ClientHello.random is 32 octets and either a shares is at least 32 octets or a PSK binder is that big too.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -552,7 +552,7 @@ older than 1.3 is negotiated.
 
 QUIC requires that the initial handshake packet from a client fit within the
 payload of a single packet.  The size limits on QUIC packets mean that a record
-containing a ClientHello needs to fit within 1171 octets.
+containing a ClientHello needs to fit within 1170 octets.

Ah! Thank you for very much for the clarification.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -137,6 +137,9 @@ protocol, including the conceptual design, wire format, and mechanisms of the
 QUIC protocol for connection establishment, stream multiplexing, stream and
 connection-level flow control, connection migration, and data reliability.
 
+QUIC used to be known as 'Quick UDP  Internet Connections', but the present
+document advises it be used no  more: QUIC does not stand for anything.
+
 Accompanying documents describe QUIC's loss detection and congestion control

I belive the feedback on the mailing list was that the RFC is not the place to make historical references.

QUIC used to be known as 'Quick UDP Internet Connections', but the present
+document advises it be used no more: QUIC does not stand for anything.

could perhaps be reformulated as

QUIC is a name and not an acronym.

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@mikkelfj, here is the new pull.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -137,6 +137,9 @@ protocol, including the conceptual design, wire format, and mechanisms of the
 QUIC protocol for connection establishment, stream multiplexing, stream and
 connection-level flow control, connection migration, and data reliability.
 
+QUIC used to be known as 'Quick UDP  Internet Connections', but the present
+document advises it be used no  more: QUIC does not stand for anything.
+
 Accompanying documents describe QUIC's loss detection and congestion control

Fixed in the new pull, @mikkelfj. Have you seen it?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -137,6 +137,9 @@ protocol, including the conceptual design, wire format, and mechanisms of the
 QUIC protocol for connection establishment, stream multiplexing, stream and
 connection-level flow control, connection migration, and data reliability.
 
+QUIC used to be known as 'Quick UDP  Internet Connections', but the present
+document advises it be used no  more: QUIC does not stand for anything.
+
 Accompanying documents describe QUIC's loss detection and congestion control

now I have :)

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As discussed in London and confirmed on the list, this PR reserves bit 0x04 of the first octet of the short header for the spin bit, referencing a draft to be submitted shortly for the details of the spin bit.

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  • reserve a bit to spin
  • rename ref

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@ianswett approved this pull request.

Two small editorial suggestions, but looks great, thanks for the fast updates.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -674,6 +689,24 @@ packet protection in detail.  After decryption, the plaintext consists of a
 sequence of frames, as described in {{frames}}.
 
 
+## Compound Packets {#packet-compound}
+
+A sender can combine multiple QUIC packets (typically a Cryptographic Handshake
+packet and a Protected packet) into one UDP datagram.  This can reduce the
+number of UDP datagrams required to be emitted when application data can be sent
+during the handshake.  A packet with a short header does not include a length,
+so it has to be the last packet included in a UDP datagram.
+
+The sender MUST NOT combine QUIC packets belonging to different QUIC
+connections into a single UDP datagram.
+
+Every QUIC packet that is being conveyed in a compound UDP datagram is a

nit: I'd drop "that is being"

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -674,6 +689,24 @@ packet protection in detail.  After decryption, the plaintext consists of a
 sequence of frames, as described in {{frames}}.
 
 
+## Compound Packets {#packet-compound}
+
+A sender can combine multiple QUIC packets (typically a Cryptographic Handshake
+packet and a Protected packet) into one UDP datagram.  This can reduce the
+number of UDP datagrams required to be emitted when application data can be sent

For clarity, how about "number of UDP datagrams sent when application data is sent during the handshake."?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -674,6 +689,24 @@ packet protection in detail.  After decryption, the plaintext consists of a
 sequence of frames, as described in {{frames}}.
 
 
+## Compound Packets {#packet-compound}
+
+A sender can combine multiple QUIC packets (typically a Cryptographic Handshake
+packet and a Protected packet) into one UDP datagram.  This can reduce the
+number of UDP datagrams required to be emitted when application data can be sent
+during the handshake.  A packet with a short header does not include a length,
+so it has to be the last packet included in a UDP datagram.
+
+The sender MUST NOT combine QUIC packets belonging to different QUIC
+connections into a single UDP datagram.
+

What about packets in the gray zone such as version negotiation and resets?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -338,9 +340,14 @@ Packet Number:
 : The Packet Number is a 32-bit field that follows the two connection IDs.
   {{packet-numbers}} describes the use of packet numbers.
 
+Payload Length:
+
+: The length of the Payload field in octets, encoded as a variable-length
+  integer ({{integer-encoding}}).
+

I came to think a bit about the variable payload length:

It makes it difficult to build a packet when you don't know the length in advance. Of course you can always just start with enough space. The intial packet starts with 1200 bytes (not sure about 0-RTT), and I don't think it can be more than 64K? So wouldn't a fixed 2 byte length field make more sense here?

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  • Grammar fix: contents "determine," not "determines."

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I thought about "content determines," but then I decided that messages have more than one content.

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Right, @MikeBishop. A new pull will change it.

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Brian,

The result of the discussion in London was that the bits would be reserved for experimentation -- not specifically for the Spin Bit.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > @@ -338,9 +340,14 @@ Packet Number: : The Packet Number is a 32-bit field that follows the two connection IDs. {{packet-numbers}} describes the use of packet numbers. +Payload Length: + +: The length of the Payload field in octets, encoded as a variable-length + integer ({{integer-encoding}}). + The variable length is primarily for consistency. There are a few cases where packets will be small enough to benefit from the 6-bit length (Finished primarily), but the main benefit is that this is the same code throughout. Better if we can manage to make the packet number encoding variable length as well (but that interacts in interesting ways with #1079, so that's not as clear a win as this). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1262#discussion_r180602396 ----==_mimepart_5acd51605b62f_511b3f9f21a8ef3099019 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -338,9 +340,14 @@ Packet Number:
 : The Packet Number is a 32-bit field that follows the two connection IDs.
   {{packet-numbers}} describes the use of packet numbers.
 
+Payload Length:
+
+: The length of the Payload field in octets, encoded as a variable-length
+  integer ({{integer-encoding}}).
+

The variable length is primarily for consistency. There are a few cases where packets will be small enough to benefit from the 6-bit length (Finished primarily), but the main benefit is that this is the same code throughout. Better if we can manage to make the packet number encoding variable length as well (but that interacts in interesting ways with #1079, so that's not as clear a win as this).

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -674,6 +689,24 @@ packet protection in detail.  After decryption, the plaintext consists of a
 sequence of frames, as described in {{frames}}.
 
 
+## Compound Packets {#packet-compound}
+
+A sender can combine multiple QUIC packets (typically a Cryptographic Handshake
+packet and a Protected packet) into one UDP datagram.  This can reduce the
+number of UDP datagrams required to be emitted when application data can be sent
+during the handshake.  A packet with a short header does not include a length,
+so it has to be the last packet included in a UDP datagram.
+
+The sender MUST NOT combine QUIC packets belonging to different QUIC
+connections into a single UDP datagram.
+

Yes, I will address those in a follow-up.

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That's OK, I fixed it.

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https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 87af6f9f337f87e4d9dcfa99fbe9a07d228c6cf3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/87af6f9f337f87e4d9dcfa99fbe9a07d228c6cf3 Author: Kazuho Oku Date: 2018-04-04 (Wed, 04 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- define compound packets Commit: d9c7f0dc9351febfdcfe1feaff1dd6d468aa395d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d9c7f0dc9351febfdcfe1feaff1dd6d468aa395d Author: Kazuho Oku Date: 2018-04-04 (Wed, 04 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- fold in 80 chars Commit: a52715a046261f9c25471c8d2174286e8125c6c7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a52715a046261f9c25471c8d2174286e8125c6c7 Author: Kazuho Oku Date: 2018-04-05 (Thu, 05 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Payload Length and Payload in one line Commit: 77f90aa5fa098a98461be3e486a13a5005d232c6 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/77f90aa5fa098a98461be3e486a13a5005d232c6 Author: Kazuho Oku Date: 2018-04-05 (Thu, 05 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- switch typenames to `*-Initial` Commit: 55b806def7ac4d48841fe252de6d8612964cda39 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/55b806def7ac4d48841fe252de6d8612964cda39 Author: Kazuho Oku Date: 2018-04-09 (Mon, 09 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- remove redundancy Commit: 487d887e8fc54988436e361e0987e2f096bca5cd https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/487d887e8fc54988436e361e0987e2f096bca5cd Author: Kazuho Oku Date: 2018-04-09 (Mon, 09 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- more clarification on how a succeeding QUIC packet looks like Commit: 4e01ff7e3e5cdb086c6a552f14e470db5309e2c7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4e01ff7e3e5cdb086c6a552f14e470db5309e2c7 Author: Kazuho Oku Date: 2018-04-09 (Mon, 09 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- compound packet can be used to expand the Initial packet Commit: 9e73eabe261b7b24b9ebdfaa2a5459a53c8d155a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9e73eabe261b7b24b9ebdfaa2a5459a53c8d155a Author: Kazuho Oku Date: 2018-04-09 (Mon, 09 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- typos Commit: 9b47a092a19d9b37d66cfae0aa7004f2b4230c38 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9b47a092a19d9b37d66cfae0aa7004f2b4230c38 Author: Kazuho Oku Date: 2018-04-10 (Tue, 10 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- `Payload Length` on all long header packets Commit: 8aae10ef5f4247c6ae7bb1a8ebe1ec40e38b823a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8aae10ef5f4247c6ae7bb1a8ebe1ec40e38b823a Author: Kazuho Oku Date: 2018-04-10 (Tue, 10 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- better clarify that every QUIC packet in a compound UDP packet are equal Commit: ff01058624e89f2326368e3e4e77e427b271282c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ff01058624e89f2326368e3e4e77e427b271282c Author: Kazuho Oku Date: 2018-04-10 (Tue, 10 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- decrement maximum CHLO length due to Payload Length becoming non-optional Commit: f0575f6cafd7367a20c5f417cc40c32fe5b3c959 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f0575f6cafd7367a20c5f417cc40c32fe5b3c959 Author: Kazuho Oku Date: 2018-04-10 (Tue, 10 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M .circleci/config.yml M Makefile M README.md M draft-ietf-quic-http.md A draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md A draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' into kazuho/compound-packet Commit: 4504fdcd37ea7ae9b4a5bafb2bd99edb156f6d23 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4504fdcd37ea7ae9b4a5bafb2bd99edb156f6d23 Author: Kazuho Oku Date: 2018-04-10 (Tue, 10 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- s/UDP packet/UDP datagram/g Commit: b4dfcbbf6a4ca477b281a14aa4b82beda30c2b01 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b4dfcbbf6a4ca477b281a14aa4b82beda30c2b01 Author: Kazuho Oku Date: 2018-04-10 (Tue, 10 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- clarify that Payload Length is varint Commit: 5ed67eab7db9accfae9a3eb8410702f9b1522a64 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5ed67eab7db9accfae9a3eb8410702f9b1522a64 Author: Kazuho Oku Date: 2018-04-10 (Tue, 10 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- split the sentence Commit: 9dd629e256c9000b371aa202963397bc041f901c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9dd629e256c9000b371aa202963397bc041f901c Author: Kazuho Oku Date: 2018-04-10 (Tue, 10 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- short header packet needs to be the last one Commit: d5b7312f44b9fb137b3c13499fbcc80a2f1c20c6 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d5b7312f44b9fb137b3c13499fbcc80a2f1c20c6 Author: Kazuho Oku Date: 2018-04-10 (Tue, 10 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- be more precise Commit: 49d6f961d05ec0f0156417a7bf6370d57a621f59 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/49d6f961d05ec0f0156417a7bf6370d57a621f59 Author: Kazuho Oku Date: 2018-04-10 (Tue, 10 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- as "the payload of" Commit: 93fe0be928a450eb775d22bfe98e7ba93cd33683 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/93fe0be928a450eb775d22bfe98e7ba93cd33683 Author: Kazuho Oku Date: 2018-04-10 (Tue, 10 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- decrement by two, since at this size `Payload Length` would 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I merged it anyway. My turn. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1285 -- Commit Summary -- * Some editorial cleanup for #1262. -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (22) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1285.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1285.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1285 ----==_mimepart_5acd574d380eb_14fb63fa411bd2f2896264 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@kazuho's excellent PR left a few tiny things unresolved. I merged it anyway. My turn.

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Thanks Mike, I had the same objection, but didn't think of the suggestion.

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This adds draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp-00, describing the spin bit, to the base-drafts repository.

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  • add draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp

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----==_mimepart_5acdb919c03a4_30c33fd5125e4f306577df-- From nobody Wed Apr 11 10:41:16 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77CED128954 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 10:41:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.606 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.606 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lcAf9d6t8MJz for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 10:41:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C6811128D2E for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 10:41:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2018 10:41:05 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1523468465; bh=jGWFHIkg5StRMpa1SRyfJbzTMxGWIyCaeqHhaKUlUHM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=YNkywEdOaigwx/ORfuHrS6z0CZDesh1DPENHc8d5eHA+1wQMmoPMgRe+UqJXJ/U9P Bq7cJLooCh8wsLWPEX/+OPChk5MR+ZqwzHF9Mi9NP3+CGESQjhhPXkjNE0Q3yvXczr Cvcsyd2eOEwkUjMzjhYxpRiNp95uuT/nTFORlEB0= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Some editorial cleanup for #1262 (#1285) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ace48b1aaa1b_8513f923b1a0f384267720"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2018 17:41:15 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ace48b1aaa1b_8513f923b1a0f384267720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MikeBishop approved this pull request. > @@ -698,18 +702,18 @@ sequence of frames, as described in {{frames}}. A sender can combine multiple QUIC packets (typically a Cryptographic Handshake packet and a Protected packet) into one UDP datagram. This can reduce the -number of UDP datagrams required to be emitted when application data can be sent -during the handshake. A packet with a short header does not include a length, -so it has to be the last packet included in a UDP datagram. +number of UDP datagrams sent when application data is sent during the handshake I think Kazuho was trying to avoid using "sent" twice in the same sentence. Maybe change the second one to "included," "transferred," etc.? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1285#pullrequestreview-111332556 ----==_mimepart_5ace48b1aaa1b_8513f923b1a0f384267720 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -698,18 +702,18 @@ sequence of frames, as described in {{frames}}.
 
 A sender can combine multiple QUIC packets (typically a Cryptographic Handshake
 packet and a Protected packet) into one UDP datagram.  This can reduce the
-number of UDP datagrams required to be emitted when application data can be sent
-during the handshake.  A packet with a short header does not include a length,
-so it has to be the last packet included in a UDP datagram.
+number of UDP datagrams sent when application data is sent during the handshake

I think Kazuho was trying to avoid using "sent" twice in the same sentence. Maybe change the second one to "included," "transferred," etc.?

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I am implementing the QUIC compound packets and I am coming across some implementation pain points related to the order of processing the packets in the UDP payload.

Generally, I have a model of "current buffer pointer" and "bytes left" and this continues though the UDP payload, processing QUIC packets until it runs out of space, encounters an invalid packet header that prevents any further processing, or it encounters a packet that requires a particular key to decrypt, that we don't have yet.

  1. This model doesn't work if the client Initial packet isn't the first packet in UDP payload, because I use "bytes left" to do the packet length comparison, not UDP payload length. Obviously this could be fixed just by passing "total payload length" around, but that does make the implementation a bit messier.

  2. I currently support deferring packets (up to a limit) that I don't have the keys for yet, so that I can process them when/if I do get the key. As you can see from my description of my processing logic above, if I get to a QUIC packet that I don't have the key for, I stop (for the time being) processing the rest of the packet, mark the packet to keep my place, and defer it for later. This would cause problems if a peer packaged up 0-RTT packets before Handshake.

The simple way to fix all these is just to require than Handshake packets be before 0-RTT packets. 1-RTT packets (short headers) are already last because they consume the rest of the UDP payload. Would it be acceptable to make "Handshake before 0-RTT" a MUST?

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----==_mimepart_5ace4b5fd3223_59ce2b27d05caecc37976f5-- From nobody Wed Apr 11 13:44:24 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC33F12D77A for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 13:44:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sAN6-TQV8VcR for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 13:44:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED144129C59 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 13:44:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2018 13:44:20 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1523479460; bh=Ysu92ExDtOCxB4GLZ6qwuf2bu8FjcTW5Oh+2GwG44XQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=w5cHpwlx++NWJjRKN4WfacMr3FfLNei95z0bUym1oO5bkBsHzMLlq7s0vXpCuRZNj LpnKLb2tVvRGgNlvHueuqLLIyOsxEc+yi2xZIVpVyuqJ5aumE+EEY5ARb0uu3z93wt 3Lpy/QuWfFAbW9YLbQ4nONi4lm3CAxbyLfdHZUDA= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Gratuitous change of QHKDF-Expand in draft 10 (#1255) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ace73a44f45b_3ce32af759af0ed010872b5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2018 20:44:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ace73a44f45b_3ce32af759af0ed010872b5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The future is bigger than the past. And I've already been asked why this string is null-terminated once. This is pure cruft. See also https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1256#pullrequestreview-109208113 > Reading #1255 (comment), I'd assume that the case is similar with NSS, except for the fact that NSS does not provide a way to specify BaseLabel other than "tls13 ". NSS doesn't export an HKDF wrapper, so anyone who wants to do this rolls their own, as Patrick has done. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1255#issuecomment-380589529 ----==_mimepart_5ace73a44f45b_3ce32af759af0ed010872b5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The future is bigger than the past. And I've already been asked why t= his string is null-terminated once. This is pure cruft.

See also #1256 (review)

Reading #125= 5 (comment), I'd assume that the case is similar with NSS, except for= the fact that NSS does not provide a way to specify BaseLabel other than= "tls13 ".

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This looks pretty good I have a bunch of nits and cleanup notes, but I don't think that those need to be addressed before merging. > ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ + +~~~~~ +{: #fig-short-header title="Short Header Format including proposed Spin Bit"} + +S: The Spin bit is set 0 or 1 depending on the stored spin value that is +updated on packet reception as explained in {{spinbit}}. + +## Setting the Spin Bit on Outgoing Packets {#spinbit} + +Each endpoint, client and server, maintains a spin value, 0 or 1, for each +QUIC connection, and sets the spin bit in the short header to the currently +stored value when a packet with a short header is sent out. The spin value is +initialized to 0 on both side, at the client as well as the server at +connection start. Each endpoint also remembers the highest packet number seen +from its peer on the connection. The spin value is then determined at each I'd break a new paragraph after this period. > +{: #fig-short-header title="Short Header Format including proposed Spin Bit"} + +S: The Spin bit is set 0 or 1 depending on the stored spin value that is +updated on packet reception as explained in {{spinbit}}. + +## Setting the Spin Bit on Outgoing Packets {#spinbit} + +Each endpoint, client and server, maintains a spin value, 0 or 1, for each +QUIC connection, and sets the spin bit in the short header to the currently +stored value when a packet with a short header is sent out. The spin value is +initialized to 0 on both side, at the client as well as the server at +connection start. Each endpoint also remembers the highest packet number seen +from its peer on the connection. The spin value is then determined at each +endpoint as follows: + +* When it receives a packet from the client, if that packet has a short header "it" here could be "server" and then the next "by the server" can be removed. Same below. > + +* When it receives a packet from the server, if the packet has a short header + and if it increments the highest packet number seen by the client from the + server, it sets the spin value to the opposite of the spin bit in the + received packet. + +This procedure will cause the spin bit to change value in each direction once +per round trip. Observation points can estimate the network latency by +observing these changes in the latency spin bit, as described in {{usage}}. +See {{?SPIN-BIT=I-D.trammell-quic-spin}} for further illustration of this +mechanism in action. + +## Resetting Spin Value State + +Each client and server resets it spin value to zero when sending the first +packet in a given with a new Connection ID. This reduces the risk that s/in a given/ I think that we have stopped German-casing "connection ID" as well. > + +# Using the Spin Bit for Passive RTT Measurement {#usage} + +When a QUIC flow sends data continuously, the latency spin bit in each +direction changes value once per round-trip time (RTT). An on-path observer +can observe the time difference between edges (changes from 1 to 0 or 0 to 1) +in the spin bit signal in a single direction to measure one sample of +end-to-end RTT. + +An observer can keep the largest observed packet number per flow, and reject +edges that do not have a packet number that is larger than the last largest +observed packet number. This will detect spurious edges caused by reordering +across an edge, which would lead to low RTT estimates, if not ignored. + +The packet number can be used to filter out high RTT estimates due to loss of +an actual edge in a burst of lost packets. If the spin bit edge occurs after a These are two different concepts and might benefit from being separated better (by the appropriate joining word, or by putting them in different paragraphs). > + +The packet number can be used to filter out high RTT estimates due to loss of +an actual edge in a burst of lost packets. If the spin bit edge occurs after a +long packet number gap, it should be rejected. + +Note that this measurement, as with passive RTT +measurement for TCP, includes any transport protocol delay (e.g., delayed +sending of acknowledgements) and/or application layer delay (e.g., waiting for +a request to complete). It therefore provides devices on path a good +instantaneous estimate of the RTT as experienced by the application. A simple +linear smoothing or moving minimum filter can be applied to the stream of RTT +information to get a more stable estimate. + +However, application-limited and flow-control-limited senders can have +application and transport layer delay, respectively, that are much greater +than network RTT. When the sender is application-limited and e.g. only sends "For example, when a sender spends time on processing or other tasks, the value measured using the spin bit includes that time in addition to the network RTT." > +Note that this measurement, as with passive RTT +measurement for TCP, includes any transport protocol delay (e.g., delayed +sending of acknowledgements) and/or application layer delay (e.g., waiting for +a request to complete). It therefore provides devices on path a good +instantaneous estimate of the RTT as experienced by the application. A simple +linear smoothing or moving minimum filter can be applied to the stream of RTT +information to get a more stable estimate. + +However, application-limited and flow-control-limited senders can have +application and transport layer delay, respectively, that are much greater +than network RTT. When the sender is application-limited and e.g. only sends +small amount of periodic application traffic, where that period is longer than +the RTT, measuring the spin bit provides information about the application +period, not the network RTT. Simple heuristics based on the observed data rate +per flow or changes in the RTT series can be used to reject bad RTT samples +due to application or flow control limitation. "Simple heuristics" suggests something that you might have something you could cite or write down. If this is "apply whatever magic you deem appropriate and the techniques are diverse", then you might want to consider removing this sentence. > +Specifically, this experimentation is intended to determine: + +- the impact of the addition of the latency spin bit on implementation and + specification complexity; and +- the accuracy and value of the information derived from spin bit measurement + on live network traffic. + +The information generated by this experiment will be used by the QUIC working +group as input to a decision about the standardization of the latency spin +bit. + +This document describes a one-bit latency spin signal. A three-bit latency +spin signal, which provides reordering, loss, and edge delay resistance even +without cleartext packet numbers in the QUIC header, is described in +{{?QUIC-SPIN=I-D.trammell-quic-spin}}; experimentation with this approach is +also encouraged. Not sure that we want to drag more bits into this. > @@ -0,0 +1,247 @@ +--- +title: The QUIC Latency Spin Bit +abbrev: QUIC Spin Bit +docname: draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp-latest +date: Note for fixup, use `{DATE}`. > + ins: D. Gugelmann + - + ins: N. Brownlee + date: 2014-04 + + +--- abstract + +This document specifies the addition of a latency spin bit to the QUIC +transport protocol and describes how to use it to measure end-to-end latency. + +--- middle + +# Introduction + +The QUIC transport protocol {{?QUIC-TRANS=I-D.ietf-quic-transport}} uses Note for fixup: use definition of -transport citation from other drafts. > +can be seen by on-path observers and used to estimate end-to-end latency, +QUIC's wire image (see {{?WIRE-IMAGE=I-D.trammell-wire-image}}) currently does +not expose any information that can be used for passive latency measurement +techniques that rely on this information (e.g. {{CACM-TCP}}, {{TMA-QOF}}). + +This document adds an explicit signal +for passive latency measurability to the QUIC short header: a "spin bit". +Passive observation of the spin bit provides one RTT sample per RTT to passive +observers of QUIC traffic. This document describes the mechanism, how it can +be added to QUIC, and how it can be used by passive measurement facilities to +generate RTT samples. + +## About This Document + +This document is maintained in the GitHub repository +https://github.com/britram/draft-trammell-quic-spin, and the editor's copy is Note for fixup: point to new location. > + +This document describes a one-bit latency spin signal. A three-bit latency +spin signal, which provides reordering, loss, and edge delay resistance even +without cleartext packet numbers in the QUIC header, is described in +{{?QUIC-SPIN=I-D.trammell-quic-spin}}; experimentation with this approach is +also encouraged. + +# IANA Considerations + +This document has no actions for IANA. + +# Security and Privacy Considerations + +The spin bit is intended to expose end-to-end RTT to observers along the path, +so the privacy considerations for the latency spin bit are essentially the +same as those for passive RTT measurement in general. 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@martinthomson approved this pull request.

This looks pretty good I have a bunch of nits and cleanup notes, but I don't think that those need to be addressed before merging.

In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+
+~~~~~
+{: #fig-short-header title="Short Header Format including proposed Spin Bit"}
+
+S: The Spin bit is set 0 or 1 depending on the stored spin value that is
+updated on packet reception as explained in {{spinbit}}.
+
+## Setting the Spin Bit on Outgoing Packets {#spinbit}
+
+Each endpoint, client and server, maintains a spin value, 0 or 1, for each
+QUIC connection, and sets the spin bit in the short header to the currently
+stored value when a packet with a short header is sent out. The spin value is
+initialized to 0 on both side, at the client as well as the server at
+connection start. Each endpoint also remembers the highest packet number seen
+from its peer on the connection. The spin value is then determined at each

I'd break a new paragraph after this period.

In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> +{: #fig-short-header title="Short Header Format including proposed Spin Bit"}
+
+S: The Spin bit is set 0 or 1 depending on the stored spin value that is
+updated on packet reception as explained in {{spinbit}}.
+
+## Setting the Spin Bit on Outgoing Packets {#spinbit}
+
+Each endpoint, client and server, maintains a spin value, 0 or 1, for each
+QUIC connection, and sets the spin bit in the short header to the currently
+stored value when a packet with a short header is sent out. The spin value is
+initialized to 0 on both side, at the client as well as the server at
+connection start. Each endpoint also remembers the highest packet number seen
+from its peer on the connection. The spin value is then determined at each
+endpoint as follows:
+
+* When it receives a packet from the client, if that packet has a short header

"it" here could be "server" and then the next "by the server" can be removed. Same below.

In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> +
+* When it receives a packet from the server, if the packet has a short header
+  and if it increments the highest packet number seen by the client from the
+  server, it sets the spin value to the opposite of the spin bit in the
+  received packet.
+
+This procedure will cause the spin bit to change value in each direction once
+per round trip. Observation points can estimate the network latency by
+observing these changes in the latency spin bit, as described in {{usage}}.
+See {{?SPIN-BIT=I-D.trammell-quic-spin}} for further illustration of this
+mechanism in action.
+
+## Resetting Spin Value State
+
+Each client and server resets it spin value to zero when sending the first
+packet in a given with a new Connection ID. This reduces the risk that

s/in a given/ I think that we have stopped German-casing "connection ID" as well.

In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> +
+# Using the Spin Bit for Passive RTT Measurement {#usage}
+
+When a QUIC flow sends data continuously, the latency spin bit in each
+direction changes value once per round-trip time (RTT). An on-path observer
+can observe the time difference between edges (changes from 1 to 0 or 0 to 1)
+in the spin bit signal in a single direction to measure one sample of
+end-to-end RTT.
+
+An observer can keep the largest observed packet number per flow, and reject
+edges that do not have a packet number that is larger than the last largest
+observed packet number.  This will detect spurious edges caused by reordering
+across an edge, which would lead to low RTT estimates, if not ignored.
+
+The packet number can be used to filter out high RTT estimates due to loss of
+an actual edge in a burst of lost packets. If the spin bit edge occurs after a

These are two different concepts and might benefit from being separated better (by the appropriate joining word, or by putting them in different paragraphs).

In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> +
+The packet number can be used to filter out high RTT estimates due to loss of
+an actual edge in a burst of lost packets. If the spin bit edge occurs after a
+long packet number gap, it should be rejected.
+
+Note that this measurement, as with passive RTT
+measurement for TCP, includes any transport protocol delay (e.g., delayed
+sending of acknowledgements) and/or application layer delay (e.g., waiting for
+a request to complete). It therefore provides devices on path a good
+instantaneous estimate of the RTT as experienced by the application. A simple
+linear smoothing or moving minimum filter can be applied to the stream of RTT
+information to get a more stable estimate.
+
+However, application-limited and flow-control-limited senders can have
+application and transport layer delay, respectively, that are much greater
+than network RTT. When the sender is application-limited and e.g. only sends

"For example, when a sender spends time on processing or other tasks, the value measured using the spin bit includes that time in addition to the network RTT."

In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> +Note that this measurement, as with passive RTT
+measurement for TCP, includes any transport protocol delay (e.g., delayed
+sending of acknowledgements) and/or application layer delay (e.g., waiting for
+a request to complete). It therefore provides devices on path a good
+instantaneous estimate of the RTT as experienced by the application. A simple
+linear smoothing or moving minimum filter can be applied to the stream of RTT
+information to get a more stable estimate.
+
+However, application-limited and flow-control-limited senders can have
+application and transport layer delay, respectively, that are much greater
+than network RTT. When the sender is application-limited and e.g. only sends
+small amount of periodic application traffic, where that period is longer than
+the RTT, measuring the spin bit provides information about the application
+period, not the network RTT. Simple heuristics based on the observed data rate
+per flow or changes in the RTT series can be used to reject bad RTT samples
+due to application or flow control limitation.

"Simple heuristics" suggests something that you might have something you could cite or write down. If this is "apply whatever magic you deem appropriate and the techniques are diverse", then you might want to consider removing this sentence.

In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> +Specifically, this experimentation is intended to determine:
+
+- the impact of the addition of the latency spin bit on implementation and
+  specification complexity; and
+- the accuracy and value of the information derived from spin bit measurement
+  on live network traffic.
+
+The information generated by this experiment will be used by the QUIC working
+group as input to a decision about the standardization of the latency spin
+bit.
+
+This document describes a one-bit latency spin signal. A three-bit latency
+spin signal, which provides reordering, loss, and edge delay resistance even
+without cleartext packet numbers in the QUIC header, is described in
+{{?QUIC-SPIN=I-D.trammell-quic-spin}}; experimentation with this approach is
+also encouraged.

Not sure that we want to drag more bits into this.

In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> @@ -0,0 +1,247 @@
+---
+title: The QUIC Latency Spin Bit
+abbrev: QUIC Spin Bit
+docname: draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp-latest
+date:

Note for fixup, use {DATE}.

In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> +        ins: D. Gugelmann
+      -
+        ins: N. Brownlee
+    date: 2014-04
+
+
+--- abstract
+
+This document specifies the addition of a latency spin bit to the QUIC
+transport protocol and describes how to use it to measure end-to-end latency.
+
+--- middle
+
+# Introduction
+
+The QUIC transport protocol {{?QUIC-TRANS=I-D.ietf-quic-transport}} uses

Note for fixup: use definition of -transport citation from other drafts.

In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> +can be seen by on-path observers and used to estimate end-to-end latency,
+QUIC's wire image (see {{?WIRE-IMAGE=I-D.trammell-wire-image}}) currently does
+not expose any information that can be used for passive latency measurement
+techniques that rely on this information (e.g. {{CACM-TCP}}, {{TMA-QOF}}).
+
+This document adds an explicit signal
+for passive latency measurability to the QUIC short header: a "spin bit".
+Passive observation of the spin bit provides one RTT sample per RTT to passive
+observers of QUIC traffic. This document describes the mechanism, how it can
+be added to QUIC, and how it can be used by passive measurement facilities to
+generate RTT samples.
+
+## About This Document
+
+This document is maintained in the GitHub repository
+https://github.com/britram/draft-trammell-quic-spin, and the editor's copy is

Note for fixup: point to new location.

In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> +
+This document describes a one-bit latency spin signal. A three-bit latency
+spin signal, which provides reordering, loss, and edge delay resistance even
+without cleartext packet numbers in the QUIC header, is described in
+{{?QUIC-SPIN=I-D.trammell-quic-spin}}; experimentation with this approach is
+also encouraged.
+
+# IANA Considerations
+
+This document has no actions for IANA.
+
+# Security and Privacy Considerations
+
+The spin bit is intended to expose end-to-end RTT to observers along the path,
+so the privacy considerations for the latency spin bit are essentially the
+same as those for passive RTT measurement in general. However, it has been

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----==_mimepart_5ace7cf5843b6_49672b08d2466ecc23735d-- From nobody Wed Apr 11 15:56:47 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5725712D7ED for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 15:56:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cLopE-W3PTOH for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 15:56:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 772551277BB for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 15:56:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=wG/fpxx9qUKFsWHZJ+O062rNDt0=; b=qL8KErwlvscH7i9G 45XnNtZ79tXnckpY0WUGzO0w64dzaCME9FJLIUyPL5Dm/hhj7ZcWfK0fECfkRzFx YNWhxyYbybKWn2Ueej6yhsf3TWsMtrt5xKk0ieXLJ5gVONAiXyrLL+o2LonCCiSK j8ANrDTbe1T2zNlXosVzled/PpI= Received: by filter0206p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0206p1las1-22490-5ACE92AA-34 2018-04-11 22:56:43.043325169 +0000 UTC Received: from smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id GjGgxbFOQCGbrDbC5mwX-g for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 22:56:42.932 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2018 22:56:43 +0000 (UTC) From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Gratuitous change of QHKDF-Expand in draft 10 (#1255) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ace92aac7b9f_372e2adb50ca2ec48438c1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0FDA+ghne7MglgXZ87juq22S13CkKLrXWJw/ 1WwTjBI/lzzm+Xeo9zmk4gs95VxleibVB0mvhCjl5w+JU8tmge8Bumr8AjfksDn67MXAO4zsQjXddP V3mOZCJtq7yWDkvBcskqCFDI3uU6p51N9T8TnBLADJbaqjNuvSsXUqsrHn0BJWF0DgpkZQg6Ek9EUN A= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2018 22:56:46 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ace92aac7b9f_372e2adb50ca2ec48438c1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> Reading #1255 (comment), I'd assume that the case is similar with NSS, except for the fact that NSS does not provide a way to specify BaseLabel other than "tls13 ". > > NSS doesn't export an HKDF wrapper, so anyone who wants to do this rolls their own, as Patrick has done. Sorry for the confusion. Reading https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1255#issuecomment-377276565, I assumed that it was NSS. It was minq, actually (https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1256#issuecomment-378590889). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1255#issuecomment-380621352 ----==_mimepart_5ace92aac7b9f_372e2adb50ca2ec48438c1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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= ----==_mimepart_5acea95fb1493_43e42b22fdcdeed4735987-- From nobody Wed Apr 11 17:59:15 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29EB312D876 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 17:59:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.008 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.008 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8eZsT_21ymws for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 17:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3500E12D871 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 17:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2018 17:59:11 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1523494751; bh=h6OwhAer7oZO/lhRvtUVPpFPoj1dMQX2fBRAIQV9mPo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Sl7eMtu1zb17Nb6AiJQHMqIG/WO3Xkv0wGu+utO7b/WmA84AiZbXdyyVQmZPqExlf dtMnMP1BoRRHvp9LgnvNyNhJmnq9IQDzFa0Fok+CkQB4bwLmMB8TVlboJZHWLNJXR5 sF0xt9hd0j0Z10oPvBoiiqMAR3VFtrzU6psRQ0ac= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Order of Compound Packets (#1287) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5aceaf5f54d75_226563f93c3c04f2c539677"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 00:59:14 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5aceaf5f54d75_226563f93c3c04f2c539677 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @nibanks I can understand that the need for passing "total payload length" can be a bit of annoyance. OTOH, I am not sure why the support for deferring the packets need to be complicated. Can't you buffer the 0-RTT packet found in a compound packet the same way as you handle a UDP datagram that only contains one 0-RTT packet? My point is that even if we do not mandate handshake packets to be sent before 0-RTT packets most implementations will do so, and that you do not need to optimize (by avoiding a copy) for the case where a client sends a compound UDP datagram that contains a 0-RTT packet followed by a handshake packet. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1287#issuecomment-380641168 ----==_mimepart_5aceaf5f54d75_226563f93c3c04f2c539677 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@nibanks I can understand that the need f= or passing "total payload length" can be a bit of annoyance.

OTOH, I am not sure why the support for deferring the packets need to = be complicated. Can't you buffer the 0-RTT packet found in a compound pac= ket the same way as you handle a UDP datagram that only contains one 0-RT= T packet?

My point is that even if we do not mandate handshake packets to be sen= t before 0-RTT packets most implementations will do so, and that you do n= ot need to optimize (by avoiding a copy) for the case where a client send= s a compound UDP datagram that contains a 0-RTT packet followed by a hand= shake packet.

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= ----==_mimepart_5aceaf5f54d75_226563f93c3c04f2c539677-- From nobody Wed Apr 11 18:03:24 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1149C12D871 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 18:03:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id woIEOwQfHCuv for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 18:03:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0D2E012D876 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 18:03:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=ycX4sv/mvJ02c4kNGlp4BqWQRY8=; b=VaiO1EDwYfEwQKpf bW3xeuD96kj4D2JG9YGu4YJ00T7g+NVlDCrdr2veYojSfDVbOCEdL63kc9S8d+6M 2X6mDRDA5xnKrKyAyDiT64YKngluJBi5w6bDzVSTRyuLGKxWctedcs0OTug79MIQ 3BfE/hmgTUh6TAFYWS/m918xw9c= Received: by filter0629p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0629p1mdw1-7043-5ACEB04F-7 2018-04-12 01:03:11.102954785 +0000 UTC Received: from smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) by ismtpd0010p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id lyjrt_teReCCtDjqu14MCg for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 01:03:11.029 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 01:03:11 +0000 (UTC) From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Order of Compound Packets (#1287) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5aceb04ee7a33_760f2abf00f3eec41204f5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0xeoEtEvHfGvzGaN+9xCF1Db+YH+rlI0rxXo U7dKUMVlZFC13cDG8bbmZ2bb6WiAT9mVZAsaW1FqE6+pVp9BLJFslXI7Lwvx+qFwV26rd6ZmNZa/zI 4T/b2lEP5nY9Lp7AnlrRJEIW+vFvQxQAxuWm9xXVD6zO7eemwnOzx8VKOT1brNYg/E/+t+i/gGEJXg 0= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 01:03:18 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5aceb04ee7a33_760f2abf00f3eec41204f5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @dtikhonov > I'd go as far as to say that there can be at most one long-header packet in a compound packet. (Is there a use case for having more than one?) Handshake packets and 0-RTT packets are both long header packets, so we cannot say that. Regarding adding restrictions on how packets can be combined, my weak preference goes to having no restriction, since it would allow us to process bundling after our QUIC implementation emits a packet. Consider the case where we have a packet in the send queue (due to pacing) and then the client decides to send another packet. Wouldn't it be great if we could simply append the new packet to the packet already stored in the queue? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1287#issuecomment-380641753 ----==_mimepart_5aceb04ee7a33_760f2abf00f3eec41204f5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@dtikhonov

I'd go as far as to say that there can be at most one long-header packet= in a compound packet. (Is there a use case for having more than one?)

Handshake packets and 0-RTT packets are both long header packets, so we = cannot say that.

Regarding adding restrictions on how packets can be combined, my weak pr= eference goes to having no restriction, since it would allow us to process = bundling after our QUIC implementation emits a packet.

Consider the case where we have a packet in the send queue (due to pacin= g) and then the client decides to send another packet. Wouldn't it be great= if we could simply append the new packet to the packet already stored in t= he queue?

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= ----==_mimepart_5aceb04ee7a33_760f2abf00f3eec41204f5-- From nobody Wed Apr 11 18:12:49 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 988E412D87C for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 18:12:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id spXusdlPL6NY for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 18:12:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD26412D883 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 18:12:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2018 18:12:45 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1523495565; bh=pTTeHiId6zCn6FH+qY+yL+BKnBcXmbBcdUdbK1xMRg0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=MyXd/Y804kE8utyhUJ7tZdqLp97Q54/8rYtmKu+Je0uZSBqM/f+ZWKlkfGtb/D03T uz2wIwjoEjdcIjmHPTRE3Ug+oYL2THEuEzOMuK2i/fq32rFzbcJhQ4GW/PA19YWRNm 7jJyXH9jlpIo/kYS8tDQTg1MuNuW7kMWmz5apNGs= From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Order of Compound Packets (#1287) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5aceb28d3bbe0_582a3f8fc1fa6f288701d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 01:12:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5aceb28d3bbe0_582a3f8fc1fa6f288701d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @kazuho I agree that's an interesting idea to be able to append a new packet to an already queued up one, but practically I don't know how often it would occur. How often will this new packet end up being a handshake one? I'd expect nearly never. Handshakes would likely be the first ones that needed to be sent out in the first place. If the current queued packet is 1-RTT you can't add to it. And if the currently queued is handshake, then you can already queue to it. The problem with my deferred packet processing is that I don't want to allocate additional state to keep track of which packets in the UDP payload have already been processed and which haven't. I just want to keep track of the "next" one to process. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1287#issuecomment-380643219 ----==_mimepart_5aceb28d3bbe0_582a3f8fc1fa6f288701d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@kazuho I agree that's an interesting idea to= be able to append a new packet to an already queued up one, but practica= lly I don't know how often it would occur. How often will this new packet= end up being a handshake one? I'd expect nearly never. Handshakes would = likely be the first ones that needed to be sent out in the first place. I= f the current queued packet is 1-RTT you can't add to it. And if the curr= ently queued is handshake, then you can already queue to it.

The problem with my deferred packet processing is that I don't want to= allocate additional state to keep track of which packets in the UDP payl= oad have already been processed and which haven't. I just want to keep tr= ack of the "next" one to process.

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In addition, if you do happen to have a 0-RTT packet in the queue and you have a handshake packet to send, you would prepend it to the queued packet.

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= ----==_mimepart_5acebcf7a70b3_151a2aedc59f2ecc161464-- From nobody Wed Apr 11 18:59:23 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D71A1243F6 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 18:59:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.498 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.498 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Uai6I7o95GG5 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 18:59:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m69-170.mailgun.net (m69-170.mailgun.net [166.78.69.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A71B61241F8 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 18:59:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1523498359; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=go23qha9rwRLpa6a/YBSyertBEmbsiW2syXQNUqlbeQ=; b=NXbUXJHwxxT3ZngSqoCMOmQhHiPwjxxmHx+/erSqKfEDbccBNNITdcviFixV/4K3rpp+yeQf o1n2OLQeT+18K1ZaLCGHdSfHjNL10XYNwq374hiygUpTY3Eyur8hgHj105i4/kjKsYKiCIzu EbmXLN3Gyih2I5397zB2w1ky78M= X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.69.170 Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.40]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 5acebb1e.7f1f09f7dfc0-smtp-out-n03; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 01:49:18 -0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2018 18:49:18 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5acebb1eb7b8a_7f0f2acfdf1cdc1427785@hookshot-fe-d2afb11.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 3485ca: QUIC is QUIC, and does not stay for anything. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5acebb1eb6c1a_7f0f2acfdf1cdc142761c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 01:59:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5acebb1eb6c1a_7f0f2acfdf1cdc142761c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 3485ca9572f8455565fd376b32eb71021da7f610 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3485ca9572f8455565fd376b32eb71021da7f610 Author: Ariel Otilibili <30573755+ariel-anieli@users.noreply.github.com> Date: 2018-04-10 (Tue, 10 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- QUIC is QUIC, and does not stay for anything. https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/quic/current/msg03855.html Commit: 4d8ab11608a9a7909998787edd20db134c93de4e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4d8ab11608a9a7909998787edd20db134c93de4e Author: Ariel Otilibili <30573755+ariel-anieli@users.noreply.github.com> Date: 2018-04-10 (Tue, 10 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Commit: 07ea187d86a460b4f97d01084f129489a24cdca3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/07ea187d86a460b4f97d01084f129489a24cdca3 Author: Ariel Otilibili <30573755+ariel-anieli@users.noreply.github.com> Date: 2018-04-11 (Wed, 11 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Commit: 4c411f6fb95d7588446291b0116efebb610b4997 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4c411f6fb95d7588446291b0116efebb610b4997 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-04-12 (Thu, 12 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1282 from ariel-anieli/master QUIC is QUIC, and does not stand for anything. Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/8ac701be2abc...4c411f6fb95d ----==_mimepart_5acebb1eb6c1a_7f0f2acfdf1cdc142761c-- From nobody Wed Apr 11 19:06:19 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02756120227 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 19:06:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.391 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.391 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qk7LePswFW3q for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 19:06:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o5.sgmail.github.com (o5.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D01F1241F8 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 19:06:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=lr4WO5g94r1WOzXaEaQ1749aFQg=; b=bfMeC0krQvBB3RfJ Ajtio1XaqfyN0Gk16mnW2IgUZbuZ002vPSGIIdBOIbtd1SxOfs4K/EhuXBYgMkl4 ym0Lm+O3cwb7YwFqgRWBYOWI3J+KMg/qzWPMBSvj8+ycEX5Wnv08UxMjcBFSxapS e0uVN9htzTnIPtuZr9iYQbH6Ztg= Received: by filter0649p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0649p1las1-444-5ACEBF17-2B 2018-04-12 02:06:15.616203321 +0000 UTC Received: from smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) by ismtpd0009p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 4UjSzD4mSO-6TV1AD-TGkA for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 02:06:15.455 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 02:06:15 +0000 (UTC) From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Order of Compound Packets (#1287) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5acebf175b627_5a742af97abe4ecc100518"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak100l2lzvVHunZ7Au8okpVN4ByKM8dCRc2dqT INcPl4I5WtixaEumr/9ZaQU4Bi3oRt4O8j8BxM0HyURnWMPs1Og/spNM1KzrXoh/hUNyp3t5x3XUsN QzAIOsONPEKLjZAP8O3L2xWLRzWYrrApZnJwM2YNT9sHS+DCO3+aBR86gE50F9LdcfwZhWruY/hqsx w= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 02:06:18 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5acebf175b627_5a742af97abe4ecc100518 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree that I can come up with a solution to all the problems without changing the spec. I'm just saying I believe it is simpler to implement if we make the simple restriction of Handshake packets before 0-RTT packets. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1287#issuecomment-380651454 ----==_mimepart_5acebf175b627_5a742af97abe4ecc100518 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1288 -- Commit Summary -- * Add Note to Readers, update status -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md (53) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1288.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1288.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1288 ----==_mimepart_5acee8abd4a59_6e9e3facd11eef3411217f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Brian, please have a look.

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@britram approved this pull request.

This is good; @martinthomson (and @acmacm) had some nits on this. Shall I apply those in another PR?

(Since all of this will diverge from the version currently in the submission queue, can you reject that one? I don't seem to have the I-D submission mail)

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@britram WFM. I believe I rejected it already.

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Fixed Point 3 of https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/quic/current/msg03844.html

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1289

Commit Summary

  • Removed contractions
  • Removed contractions in text

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----==_mimepart_5acf138e6ae69_7d302abbc17c4ec485830-- From nobody Thu Apr 12 01:13:56 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76590124235 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 01:13:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.463 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.463 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C-i_2J-iggmF for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 01:13:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ACFE11205F0 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 01:13:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=PhfzToTtjSsdnNtWsFSccflMQh0=; b=VpkkwsK3OQHFsmv/ yi6L54FLJYFH3o3X/Vmoyls1knkRPmqcn4wjeVjJ0FhtaJTbAZhmHDlb8ivDA2Ad pdooFz0aYjX2HCnY6RbMcqOrq5JltLvPr9mVLgC+zWHmCjDDyvu0/yAGnf3epGz/ A58ysrYTlXJF9hxmwpNwQDT4wfE= Received: by filter0299p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0299p1las1-11904-5ACF153F-10 2018-04-12 08:13:51.361267272 +0000 UTC Received: from smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) by ismtpd0007p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id gtapJogUS4auue3twH1dDA for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 08:13:51.175 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 08:13:51 +0000 (UTC) From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Removed contractions from text (#1289) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5acf153f1c797_6f083f91cd19af34950e3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1ws+k+gaNy7Q7KL6s5FUmQlRPuN7v45r5uRK xwl79YPPzFAC6XW0WQCI/XcozbNxiaz1zmJkovHZaHf7rMWXAtZjDiconl5PgVIDA8wGjn2pX8xtPm oPufSgW9cl+0enyr1ZRmPivWP+xBl2A/QC6eZX7bCv6w81UWF1oQLzerKEb/2/yPBuQypJurmzXGry I= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 08:13:54 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5acf153f1c797_6f083f91cd19af34950e3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LPardue commented on this pull request. I think Don't Fragment is the canonical name for that bit. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1289#pullrequestreview-111518765 ----==_mimepart_5acf153f1c797_6f083f91cd19af34950e3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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I think Don't Fragment is the canonical name for that bit.

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Yes, @LPardue; I fixed it.

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I don't think that we need to do this. These are common contractions that are well understood by readers of English.

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Fixes suggested by @martinthomson in #1286 and by @acmacm in the other repo, modulo those already covered in #1288

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There's confusion here about what "packet" we're talking about. This entire section is about "QUIC packets", but this particular subsection is about UDP datagrams, and not really about QUIC packets. I think we should do away with giving this a name, since we don't otherwise refer to the container UDP datagram as a "simple packet". I would suggest renaming this section to "Coalescing Packets", and then the rest of the text simply works for the most part (with a few suggestions below). > @@ -698,18 +702,18 @@ sequence of frames, as described in {{frames}}. A sender can combine multiple QUIC packets (typically a Cryptographic Handshake packet and a Protected packet) into one UDP datagram. This can reduce the -number of UDP datagrams required to be emitted when application data can be sent -during the handshake. A packet with a short header does not include a length, +number of UDP datagrams needed to send application data during the handshake and +immediately afterwards. A packet with a short header does not include a length, so it has to be the last packet included in a UDP datagram. The sender MUST NOT combine QUIC packets belonging to different QUIC s/combine/coalesce/ > so it has to be the last packet included in a UDP datagram. The sender MUST NOT combine QUIC packets belonging to different QUIC connections into a single UDP datagram. -Every QUIC packet that is being conveyed in a compound UDP datagram is a -complete QUIC packet. No fields in the packet header are omitted. The receiver -of a compound UDP datagram MUST individually process each QUIC packet and -separately acknowledge them, as if they were received as the payload of -different UDP datagrams. +Every QUIC packet that is conveyed in a compound UDP datagram is a complete QUIC s/is conveyed in a compound UDP datagram/is coalesced in a single UDP datagram/ > so it has to be the last packet included in a UDP datagram. The sender MUST NOT combine QUIC packets belonging to different QUIC connections into a single UDP datagram. -Every QUIC packet that is being conveyed in a compound UDP datagram is a -complete QUIC packet. No fields in the packet header are omitted. The receiver -of a compound UDP datagram MUST individually process each QUIC packet and -separately acknowledge them, as if they were received as the payload of -different UDP datagrams. +Every QUIC packet that is conveyed in a compound UDP datagram is a complete QUIC +packet. Though the values of some fields in the packet header might be +redundant, no fields are omitted. The receiver of a compound UDP datagram MUST s/compound UDP datagram/coalesced QUIC packets/ -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -698,18 +702,18 @@ sequence of frames, as described in {{frames}}.

There's confusion here about what "packet" we're talking about. This entire section is about "QUIC packets", but this particular subsection is about UDP datagrams, and not really about QUIC packets. I think we should do away with giving this a name, since we don't otherwise refer to the container UDP datagram as a "simple packet".

I would suggest renaming this section to "Coalescing Packets", and then the rest of the text simply works for the most part (with a few suggestions below).

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -698,18 +702,18 @@ sequence of frames, as described in {{frames}}.
 
 A sender can combine multiple QUIC packets (typically a Cryptographic Handshake
 packet and a Protected packet) into one UDP datagram.  This can reduce the
-number of UDP datagrams required to be emitted when application data can be sent
-during the handshake.  A packet with a short header does not include a length,
+number of UDP datagrams needed to send application data during the handshake and
+immediately afterwards.  A packet with a short header does not include a length,
 so it has to be the last packet included in a UDP datagram.
 
 The sender MUST NOT combine QUIC packets belonging to different QUIC

s/combine/coalesce/

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  so it has to be the last packet included in a UDP datagram.
 
 The sender MUST NOT combine QUIC packets belonging to different QUIC
 connections into a single UDP datagram.
 
-Every QUIC packet that is being conveyed in a compound UDP datagram is a
-complete QUIC packet.  No fields in the packet header are omitted.  The receiver
-of a compound UDP datagram MUST individually process each QUIC packet and
-separately acknowledge them, as if they were received as the payload of
-different UDP datagrams.
+Every QUIC packet that is conveyed in a compound UDP datagram is a complete QUIC

s/is conveyed in a compound UDP datagram/is coalesced in a single UDP datagram/

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  so it has to be the last packet included in a UDP datagram.
 
 The sender MUST NOT combine QUIC packets belonging to different QUIC
 connections into a single UDP datagram.
 
-Every QUIC packet that is being conveyed in a compound UDP datagram is a
-complete QUIC packet.  No fields in the packet header are omitted.  The receiver
-of a compound UDP datagram MUST individually process each QUIC packet and
-separately acknowledge them, as if they were received as the payload of
-different UDP datagrams.
+Every QUIC packet that is conveyed in a compound UDP datagram is a complete QUIC
+packet.  Though the values of some fields in the packet header might be
+redundant, no fields are omitted.  The receiver of a compound UDP datagram MUST

s/compound UDP datagram/coalesced QUIC packets/

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -694,22 +698,22 @@ packet protection in detail.  After decryption, the plaintext consists of a
 sequence of frames, as described in {{frames}}.
 
 
-## Compound Packets {#packet-compound}
+## Coaslescing Packets {#packet-compound}

nit: s/#packet-compound/#packet-coalesce/

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----==_mimepart_5acfdb6e39863_6ea52aabae776ecc7733a-- From nobody Thu Apr 12 15:21:04 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB62712D77C for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 15:21:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.498 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.498 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CgitNiMgyyav for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 15:21:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m69-170.mailgun.net (m69-170.mailgun.net [166.78.69.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 93ADE12895E for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 15:21:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1523571660; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=pVJRXlV/1sq1UozTRuVv4BYmlhF4+uOiwmL4kpleyrc=; b=WvVJHJBj+Iut+2VcXYo6gtFl3sa+4KURf/LTFQKyuQuIX3gA3Si/7nHlar83BNBTZt5DWk44 C+C1sx5Z4CYWA8yzjLIPdO/2XF/E0eMAAV2CHN9mTxjNIoGUTFLXyBB7yBbQv2uznCc1CPsB IbkQ8FFs3V0ERfF38uTmiZ2boVo= X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.69.170 Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.35]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 5acfdbcc.7f3e475ff900-smtp-out-n01; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 22:21:00 -0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 15:21:00 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5acfdbcc2f8bd_7e102acc738d1c14567f@hookshot-fe-d252ca1.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 8dbc2e: Some editorial cleanup for #1262. 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Also includes a script to help with tagging. You shouldn't need to use that unless you are tagging docs that you aren't an author on.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2784,8 +2784,11 @@ frame.  Its format is identical to the PATH_CHALLENGE frame
 
 If the content of a PATH_RESPONSE frame does not match the content of a
 PATH_CHALLENGE frame previously sent by the endpoint, the endpoint MAY generate
-a connection error of type UNSOLICITED_PATH_RESPONSE.
-
+a connection error of type UNSOLICITED_PATH_RESPONSE. Endpoints MUST NOT
+generate this error in response to a PATH_RESPONSE frame in a Handshake Packet.

I don't think that we need to worry about this. We have agreed not to specifically defend against tampering with the handshake. Note that you need to be on-path for this to work, because of the handshake packet protection design.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2784,8 +2784,11 @@ frame.  Its format is identical to the PATH_CHALLENGE frame
 
 If the content of a PATH_RESPONSE frame does not match the content of a
 PATH_CHALLENGE frame previously sent by the endpoint, the endpoint MAY generate
-a connection error of type UNSOLICITED_PATH_RESPONSE.
-
+a connection error of type UNSOLICITED_PATH_RESPONSE. Endpoints MUST NOT
+generate this error in response to a PATH_RESPONSE frame in a Handshake Packet.
+Endpoints SHOULD NOT generate this error if they are not storing the
+PATH_CHALLENGE data well in excess of any plausible packet round-trip time on
+a new path, as a late response would result in connection teardown.

I don't think that we need to say this either, because if the endpoint isn't sure that it sent the challenge, then permission to end the connection isn't implied.

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----==_mimepart_5ad0150816893_70282abbae2b4ec459288-- From nobody Thu Apr 12 19:27:17 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 931B912D7F6 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 19:27:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1AXyTGNxX1Yg for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 19:27:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3687F12D7F1 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 19:27:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=anq0vZPtd8/RvBUyGYSx34GiNdE=; b=OTpm22PGOhAnAsfk mPzVPcHUGZ4z/zIf8zwDOxZ1OAgCW6B3/8OyC0pQAXdpK9+UN9I5LWgheTzk6sir THA4kfQnEHSFekW0fFRcKt5Yn7oFmf+Zwa9RrRBXgyPraVQhBnemEeTPpN8vqHVn e3Q9I1XweEfvt2va4uzwXGKuAxk= Received: by filter0812p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0812p1mdw1-18099-5AD01582-3 2018-04-13 02:27:14.131763892 +0000 UTC Received: from smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id ym1Vx4ZGQRu0MzNSQ-GuqA for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2018 02:27:14.119 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2018 02:27:14 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Stateless Reset during Path Migration (#1259) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ad01582d62_36633ff34c1e6f341182bb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3nVAUR9QuPgSpJKQ/d2zgq0TcjscoQA3dUty pMBpimntB0IZvmgEpz6lqUUmVBXRzoifj+G/ySd+tEL0CkEBV2IZKJyHaIKlsO7+/22/fndhbW/A7V RuADF970mjlWymXsqlq6SZaFc/F7ySXqYQ6SgE8189zL6GRtgPIqXYzVTiXbk0Z1aG+F6OR01l4aGz U= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2018 02:27:16 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ad01582d62_36633ff34c1e6f341182bb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Based on the discussion thus far, I don't think that we should take this. Instead, we should make it clear that whatever instances share a key for stateless reset MUST use the same connection ID space. Otherwise we'll end up deep in all sorts of nasty DoS problems. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1259#issuecomment-381002031 ----==_mimepart_5ad01582d62_36633ff34c1e6f341182bb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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@ianswett, I leave this with you.

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It sounds like we're deep in bikeshed territory and we have three options. I'll take this to the list to see if we can get any better insight into what to do.

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Nope, not yet: "Only those with write access to this repository can merge pull requests"

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dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DmB2pTkuA3U2 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2018 14:22:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DF3412D574 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2018 14:22:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2018 14:22:15 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1523654535; bh=uWE9SpRfDuIB8dPV2qZoy6lD0KMH3Zu/xuLbML7NTEY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=w45ANLYw28mhsossp2SXDVmGgCkyOmDBSaVxc+XwDUPlFFr7hNNUn58RMZvL7ncUx pHXmXWOaAW9lBaHFXsPSQMI0uOM7kSqEAlWvPj8VTqaodukEOxR4LHD+yoACnTQBdK yp8nDISb8c2IfRWLDanMqC/wUJgkYripunrP6Gnc= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Stateless Reset during Path Migration (#1259) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; 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It has the interesting result that, during path validation, we'll be provoking Stateless Resets that parse as invalid. Some implementations might still want to use that as a hint that the path isn't likely to work, but we don't need that to be normative. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1259#issuecomment-381263818 ----==_mimepart_5ad11f8766532_23e83ff5563daf28106949 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm amenable to that. It has the interesting result that, during path= validation, we'll be provoking Stateless Resets that parse as invalid. = Some implementations might still want to use that as a hint that the path= isn't likely to work, but we don't need that to be normative.

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#1265 would subs= ume this, if it goes to the extent Patrick wants. And perhaps this PR shou= ld address that issue. But assuming we're not actually removing the error = entirely....

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The spec now says that "A sender can coalesce multiple QUIC packets (typically a Cryptographic Handshake packet and a Protected packet) into one UDP datagram." Should that be qualified?

For example, does it make sense to compound a Version Negotiation packet with any other packet? Of course, there is no length field in VNego, but one might imagine combining a handshake packet and a VNego packet, maybe as away to send an ACK for the client init. My feeling is "don't do that". Should it be said?

The same goes for the stateless retry packet. Does it make sense to combine it with a handshake packet?

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There is an interesting feature interaction between PN encryption and the encoding of the payload length in the header.

The current specification of PN encryption (PR #1079) specifies encrypting the 16 byte field starting at the offset of the packet number. The current specification of the long header places the payload length after the packet number. So the payload length gets encrypted with the packet number. And that's a royal pain, because that means the payload length cannot be assessed before decrypting the packet number.

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----==_mimepart_5ad150c0e36f1_51a53f8ca635ef2c34088-- From nobody Fri Apr 13 18:29:44 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E7E812D871 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2018 18:29:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.008 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.008 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ww_LFKNlgHKV for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2018 18:29:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F1DF126D3F for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2018 18:29:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=PRuV8WXpQGuAGSXyvqpgIqIBRfA=; b=d4IOm/pBITQlrN84 kkQVkEzoNjCG+Y7ml8/FBo4lGOOKgaT7MgnlT70PmB2Yi6RyGLE8YeacHg3/wXh6 nibBnE7jXPOv7u3ep/qNxGW/WvazrvBpzE+3Mti/6UTvMZya2KV5ChW5Xw+FiEKO cgwuAReHEZBgisqSRIWhSZ8s8Hw= Received: by filter0631p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0631p1las1-19573-5AD15983-21 2018-04-14 01:29:39.732537409 +0000 UTC Received: from smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) by ismtpd0033p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id _go7WkUpRT-T27yY_3QhLw for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2018 01:29:39.611 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2018 01:29:40 +0000 (UTC) From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Swap payload length (#1294) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ad159834a123_444a3fa6ee52af383530bd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2EEWWmtx77vbikosleVHoNnEkvwjg8XO//B8 naaxMyuh3b+oZIfprYKSj5rkyyzo/nt/rWd+C7XzTlC9l6Gmxu41A+wSc2MsnkL73lUqar+IMIpGbL /TGmPokdjR0XZotvxdxjCKE/aJ3mH0GAJxXr0dy68kr1erW/MmaWN9tD6PEqxSYTU9rF5uFxy4SNfq 0= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2018 01:29:43 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ad159834a123_444a3fa6ee52af383530bd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This PR swaps the positions of the payload length and packet number field in the long header. This will allow encryption of the packet number per PR #1079 without also encrypting the payload length at the same time. Because encrypting the payload length makes packet handling really complicated! You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1294 -- Commit Summary -- * Merge pull request #4 from quicwg/master * Swap the payload length and packet number fields in the long header -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (13) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1294.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1294.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1294 ----==_mimepart_5ad159834a123_444a3fa6ee52af383530bd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This PR swaps the positions of the payload length and packet number field in the long header. This will allow encryption of the packet number per PR #1079 without also encrypting the payload length at the same time. Because encrypting the payload length makes packet handling really complicated!

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1294

Commit Summary

  • Merge pull request #4 from quicwg/master
  • Swap the payload length and packet number fields in the long header

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See PR #1294.

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@martinthomson makes some good point= s about the handshake. Has anyone done an audit of possible on-path and off= -path attacks on the handshake? If a bogus PATH_RESPONSE is neither cheaper= nor more effective than other handshake attacks, then I agree there's no p= oint in worrying about it.

As for the discarded challenge issue, by definition a "should" isn't som= ething we need to say. I'll leave it to the editors as to whether it's wort= hwhile or not.

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= ----==_mimepart_5ad18289cad8a_62272af7290baec840402f-- From nobody Fri Apr 13 21:48:58 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ED5112DA14 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2018 21:48:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.391 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.391 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dK-Z_bw9JlC1 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2018 21:48:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 69ECD1241F8 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2018 21:48:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2018 21:48:53 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1523681333; bh=piaoJ1iXiCsHujcg3YD4b46flqSmgb5TV7KBbimjsyQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=a4NVtlnGZ0yixl1JpvwVs0vEK19r7DIxaqEfSLC4II5VcO6mPh76/TFBxnfQwy3t5 /9r3jyhc1r6gUwLDXYwWOm7kp1HATgb15ZPDYrjIr8AHzKatpCm3GtDqI9F+I5w4Fl SLXadaJEri7FJ/HfAmI/laPqGs2EXtsy0hCCeOsk= From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Stream Flow Control on Stream 0 (#1252) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ad188356e7dd_696a2ae85cd84ec813054c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2018 04:48:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ad188356e7dd_696a2ae85cd84ec813054c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Subodh, I can see from this thread that we are talking past each other. Someone (probably me) is being dense about what to worry and not worry about. If Ekr doesn't obviate the whole discussion with crypto streams, let's talk about this face-to-face in Stockholm. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1252#issuecomment-381303298 ----==_mimepart_5ad188356e7dd_696a2ae85cd84ec813054c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Subodh,

I can see from this thread that we are talking past each other. Someon= e (probably me) is being dense about what to worry and not worry about. I= f Ekr doesn't obviate the whole discussion with crypto streams, let's tal= k about this face-to-face in Stockholm.

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I strongly recommend to modify 1079 in a way that does not modify any = AEAD protected content at all, and that means moving the packet number fu= rther away. But even without moving the packet number, it is possible to= encrypt only the packet number without afffecting neighbouring fields us= ing my proposed changes.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -908,6 +918,80 @@ the connection that is hosted on stream 0.  This sequence number is not visible
 to QUIC.
 
 
+## Packet Number Protection {#pn-encrypt}
+
+QUIC packets are protected using a key that is derived from the current set of
+secrets.  The key derived using the "pn" label is used to protect the packet
+number from casual observation.  The packet number protection algorithm depends
+on the negotiated AEAD.
+
+Packet number protection is applied after packet protection is applied (see
+{{aead}}).  The ciphertext of the packet is sampled and used as input to an
+encryption algorithm.
+
+For packets with a long header, the ciphertext starting
+immediately after the packet number is used (that is, octet 17 onwards).

Immediately after the packet number is now the payload length; this needs to be updated.

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----==_mimepart_5ad3835d33808_4df63fd5141b6f383505fd-- From nobody Sun Apr 15 09:54:19 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58003126C19 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2018 09:54:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BaDWlroNhhhi for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2018 09:54:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6AACA12426E for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2018 09:54:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=SKuCPwTuQrhEhHW4hFhoDq84VHQ=; b=JUIyZ2yLO6GYkUzV rovheXLp8JhFge43bqLsTsJ6rk+6NlLmC5bBM6fnyu6i9QYfPKm+CdXp3O/QdSvJ ggrLmNotOSZJAYn6I1RRXMS5VkA8qQyEWUx4GLTFpu5Fyt/KvzaMVVEqC5CN9PzV 4D3bv3ZTtygg5+pSVMKfwNLCBrU= Received: by filter0073p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0073p1las1-31491-5AD383B7-6 2018-04-15 16:54:15.179345071 +0000 UTC Received: from smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) by ismtpd0044p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id Q8ocm-RoRbyv4BrlU7NnlQ for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2018 16:54:15.065 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2018 16:54:15 +0000 (UTC) From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Payload length in header encrypted with sequence number (#1293) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ad383b6c5b0b_252f3f9858ee4f2869536a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0zQZk1BsMF9b8Cm2RFCR5c+OtmtUxqnmd2y4 Ngv50uBzxBftBzjToVF8/DuzOLdBUsd9anHcB+gjkBDy+S5vD7I5tmp0/fX4bC8Cp/kTk2kBPagWgX frcwyoQvEwDWek/K1c4TBccItz+xeLiDxq46wUf64NzZ4XoiTVtzH84NMDyVQjk2HamQkBTqOKoiAt I= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2018 16:54:18 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ad383b6c5b0b_252f3f9858ee4f2869536a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe this is incorrect. In the long headers, the length of the packet number is always a fixed 32-bit field, so you can always find the payload length without decrypting this fixed-size field. I can't find anything in the PNE PR which says you should encrypt a larger region than the packet number field itself; line number? Now, the PR doesn't account for compound packets in that it assumes the encrypted payload to begin immediately after the packet number for sampling purposes, but that's a minor fix to #1079. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1293#issuecomment-381420963 ----==_mimepart_5ad383b6c5b0b_252f3f9858ee4f2869536a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I believe this is incorrect. In the long headers, the length of the pac= ket number is always a fixed 32-bit field, so you can always find the paylo= ad length without decrypting this fixed-size field. I can't find anything = in the PNE PR which says you should encrypt a larger region than the packet= number field itself; line number?

Now, the PR doesn't account for compound packets in that it assumes the = encrypted payload to begin immediately after the packet number for sampling= purposes, but that's a minor fix to #1079.

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Perhaps worth noting. However, if you send a packet with the version th= e client proposed, you've accepted the version, so the Version Negotiation = packet would then be ignored (existing text). Retry might get a little hai= rier.

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The problem is that #1= 079 is ambiguous. Yes, this could be fixed by making it crystal-clear t= hat only the 4 bytes of the packet number are encrypted in a long header, a= nd only the 4 bytes starting at the packet number offset in a short header.= But then, please fix it!

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OK. I fixed my implementation of PNE to only encrypt 4 bytes following t= he PN offset, and all the tests are now passing. I still have a small doubt= about the logic. Is PNE supposed to be tied to the packet number length fo= r the short header? Is it supposed to encrypt 1, 2 or 4 octets based on act= ual PN length, or is it fine to just encrypt four bytes?

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Merged #1294.

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Yeah, this is what I planned to do when rebasing #1079. No sense in delaying it given that Christian has done the work.

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While I agree that coalescing some types of packets does not make sens= e on the sender side, I think that the receiver needs to handle each QUIC= packet coalesced into a UDP datagram individually, regardless of their t= ypes.

Otherwise, coalescing could become an attack vector.

When coalescing is not used, an on-path attacker needs to do AES calcu= lation to inject a packet that will be processed (instead of being droppe= d) by an endpoint. Coalescing should not change that.

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Bogus PATH_RESPONSE in a Handshake packet seems like an obvious DoS atta= ck.

@martinduke Alas, the QUIC handshake= is full of such attacks. The specification generally requires or recommen= ds that clients terminate the handshake if the remote party appears to be m= isbehaving, and an on-path attacker can easily trigger that termination beh= avior in many different ways.

I'm very interested in resolving this problem, but I think it's too earl= y be trying to fix this in the QUIC specification, which is still very much= in flux. Once the QUIC protocol is finalized, perhaps we can have a discu= ssion about what it would take to harden the handshake.

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@MikeBishop asked me to clarify= placement of PN in my proprosed modification:

To to simplify the dicussion I have mostly, but not exclusively referr= ed to placing PN last since that is simpler in software, but it is a conc= ern for HW streaming. Pleacing it first also has some issues with invaria= nts.

The PN can be placed anywhere as long as it is not included in neither= Authenticated data and Encrypted data. Specifically, it can be placed in= -between the two, just about where it is today, give or take.

By excluding PN from AEAD but keeping it roughly where it is, encrypti= on happens by xor'ing as the current proposal. Decryption can happen with= out modifying the packet buffer because decrypted PN is not needed to ver= ify or decrypt content, only to seed the IV.

Placing PN early does require modfying the packet buffer, but so does = the packet length.

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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

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 ## Proposed Short Header Format Including Spin Bit
 
-As of the current editor's version of {{QUIC-TRANS}}, this proposal specifies
-using the fifth most significant bit (0x08) of the first octet in the short
-header for the spin bit.
+As of the current editor's version of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}, this proposal
+specifies using the fifth most significant bit (0x08) of the first octet in

There's a mismatch with the figure (and the transport draft) here that specifies the sixth most significant bit (0x04) for the spin purpose.

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----==_mimepart_5ad5a5a1adaec_9f12b180c318f541796de-- From nobody Tue Apr 17 01:39:44 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA4521241F8 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 01:39:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.008 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.008 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iyrX2fTmx2YR for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 01:39:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1702F1205D3 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 01:39:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=KmArFVWHPIsp31RsFzV0lJoJ24E=; b=lwKhai8h36s7x6Zz 7f0Yx/blehxDUIRaDPG4mHJv0x7QmRzyDr529Y94o0AXFj7BRueXX8pCos+Xs5wt au30fNXa2JeWUGM1gHluFD61PE319EXCo8IpGvQZkm+EP4ZfsYGKgSllWIxa/DiL ccnWrzjVSXuORj1Z3Mj5BJkn5O0= Received: by filter0603p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0603p1iad2-30093-5AD5B2CB-1 2018-04-17 08:39:39.040144811 +0000 UTC Received: from smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) by ismtpd0009p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id swlboGr_RIqV94yCJ1acSQ for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 08:39:39.038 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 08:39:39 +0000 (UTC) From: Brian Trammell Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Fix wrong spin bit in spin-exp text (#1295) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ad5b2cae7481_29bdb3fb89cdb0f8043642"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: britram X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-CSA-Complaints: whitelist-complaints@eco.de X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2gs/6P8SlpUzByN0K3UGHEZn/52kvgpnf9sT FoWeesuXXfrhUDBv0tBv2rHcDMiXSlN/34kT6IogeP6hH5XW/1cSy0vinffNU9wVdZMOkbU9x9frXo czl+p8SHb0h/z2Ug0i3OJ03r59sfZmC9kgDL8OR2lK1rAg67W2JURo4bsMKJjP8z9in+HynVe4RMLg 4= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 08:39:42 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ad5b2cae7481_29bdb3fb89cdb0f8043642 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The text specifying which bit spins (see @ilhar's comment on #1290) did not agree either with the diagram, nor with the reservation in -transport. This PR fixes that. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1295 -- Commit Summary -- * wrong bit in text -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md (2) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1295.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1295.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1295 ----==_mimepart_5ad5b2cae7481_29bdb3fb89cdb0f8043642 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The text specifying which bit spins (see @ilhar's comment on #1290) did not agree either with the diagram, nor with the reservation in -transport. This PR fixes that.

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@britram commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

>  
 ## Proposed Short Header Format Including Spin Bit
 
-As of the current editor's version of {{QUIC-TRANS}}, this proposal specifies
-using the fifth most significant bit (0x08) of the first octet in the short
-header for the spin bit.
+As of the current editor's version of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}, this proposal
+specifies using the fifth most significant bit (0x08) of the first octet in

Oops. See #1295.

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As pointed out in the other reviews of this PR, there is a lot of ambi= guity regarding whether the packet number length is or isn=E2=80=99t encr= ypted. In the current PR, the formula to compute the `sample_offset` only= makes sense if the packet number is a =E2=80=9Cvarint=E2=80=9D. However,= the proposed change does not alter the short packet header, and the PN l= ength is indicated by the last 3 bits of the flags byte, and restricted t= o be one of 8, 16, or 32 bits. Under this assumption, the `sample_offset`= can be redefined as the length of the packet header - we think it is rea= sonable to keep the PN length public, and avoid having a fuzzy limit betw= een packet header and contents, which could be a source of side channels = in the processing of the packet after PN decryption, in particular consid= ering point 2 below. 2. Given that packet numbers in short packets are only a few bytes and ge= t encrypted without authentication, they are extremely vulnerable to mall= eability, and using a XOR mask encryption (such as CTR mode or ChaCha20 k= eystream) compounds the problem even further, because an adversary can se= lectively flip the few bits of interests for him (the low weight ones) to= find out using side channels what position the reader is at in the strea= m (as discussed in the PR comments). We are concerned that some implement= ations may try to perform optimizations based on the decrypted PN without= first first decrypting the packet (for instance, an implementation may c= hose not to decrypt the packet if the decrypted SN has been acked, or abo= ve some threshold). Any such optimization is a side channel that can be e= xtremely efficiently used to recover the PN. We think it is a weakness of= the PN encryption scheme to allow implementations to fall into this trap= . Using a 32-bit permutation cipher rather than AES-CTR or ChaCha20 would= make such attacks less effective. A cipher such as Speck with 32 bit blo= cks could be well suited for this purpose, and also much faster. 3. The current design for PN encryption is trying to avoid opening the AE= AD abstraction used for the packet content encryption (at the cost of doi= ng a brittle, custom construction on top of it). It is also inefficient (= because it needs to expand 2 separate keys) and non-uniform (as it uses C= TR with block ciphers, but stream ciphers directly). It is possible to do= a much more efficient construction by opening the AEAD =E2=80=9Cbox=E2=80= =9D, and extending it to something akin to =E2=80=9Cauthenticated stream = of unreliable encrypted data with authentication=E2=80=9D, and use the sa= me key to encrypt the packet headers and contents. This is a straightforw= ard extension of AEAD =E2=80=93 inside the AEAD construction, the cipher = function is used as a PRF with a special value in its domain to compute t= he mask (i.e. constant coefficient) of the Wegman-Carter-Shoup polynomial= MAC. It is possible to refine this domain to also use the PRF to generat= e a packet number encryption mask. For instance, in AES-GCM, the PRF is A= ES(IV||counter) with the special counter value of 0 being used for the MA= C. Since packets are much smaller than 2^28 bytes it is possible to use A= ES(IV||0xFF||X) as a disjoint PRF to generate packet number encryption ta= gs. For instance, AES(IV||0xFF||header_flags||sample) would work well for= this purpose. (The reason the QUIC header flags byte is included is beca= use it determines the length of the packet number, and this implicitly au= thenticates it.) Note that even hardware implementations of AES-GCM would= be capable of computing this, as it would be computed for some extremely= long plaintext with a block counter of 0xFF||header_flags||sample =E2=80= =93 however, this is not typically part of the interface of AEAD implemen= tations. The cryptographic argument that justifies the safety of this ext= ended construction is the same as for the masking of the WCS tag =E2=80=93= separation of the PRF domain. -- = You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1079#issuecomment-382007477= ----==_mimepart_5ad6011511e4f_42e83fd7ae60cf781018a7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

We have been discussing this PR at Microsoft with Cedric Fournet and N= ick Banks and have some comments on the current proposal:

  1. As pointed out in the other reviews of this PR, there is a lot of ambi= guity regarding whether the packet number length is or isn=E2=80=99t encr= ypted. In the current PR, the formula to compute the sample_offset<= /code> only makes sense if the packet number is a =E2=80=9Cvarint=E2=80=9D= . However, the proposed change does not alter the short packet header, an= d the PN length is indicated by the last 3 bits of the flags byte, and re= stricted to be one of 8, 16, or 32 bits. Under this assumption, the sample_offset can be redefined as the length of the packet header= - we think it is reasonable to keep the PN length public, and avoid havi= ng a fuzzy limit between packet header and contents, which could be a sou= rce of side channels in the processing of the packet after PN decryption,= in particular considering point 2 below.

  2. Given that packet numbers in short packets are only a few bytes and ge= t encrypted without authentication, they are extremely vulnerable to mall= eability, and using a XOR mask encryption (such as CTR mode or ChaCha20 k= eystream) compounds the problem even further, because an adversary can se= lectively flip the few bits of interests for him (the low weight ones) to= find out using side channels what position the reader is at in the strea= m (as discussed in the PR comments). We are concerned that some implement= ations may try to perform optimizations based on the decrypted PN without= first first decrypting the packet (for instance, an implementation may c= hose not to decrypt the packet if the decrypted SN has been acked, or abo= ve some threshold). Any such optimization is a side channel that can be e= xtremely efficiently used to recover the PN. We think it is a weakness of= the PN encryption scheme to allow implementations to fall into this trap= . Using a 32-bit permutation cipher rather than AES-CTR or ChaCha20 would= make such attacks less effective. A cipher such as Speck with 32 bit blo= cks could be well suited for this purpose, and also much faster.

  3. The current design for PN encryption is trying to avoid opening the AE= AD abstraction used for the packet content encryption (at the cost of doi= ng a brittle, custom construction on top of it). It is also inefficient (= because it needs to expand 2 separate keys) and non-uniform (as it uses C= TR with block ciphers, but stream ciphers directly). It is possible to do= a much more efficient construction by opening the AEAD =E2=80=9Cbox=E2=80= =9D, and extending it to something akin to =E2=80=9Cauthenticated stream = of unreliable encrypted data with authentication=E2=80=9D, and use the sa= me key to encrypt the packet headers and contents. This is a straightforw= ard extension of AEAD =E2=80=93 inside the AEAD construction, the cipher = function is used as a PRF with a special value in its domain to compute t= he mask (i.e. constant coefficient) of the Wegman-Carter-Shoup polynomial= MAC. It is possible to refine this domain to also use the PRF to generat= e a packet number encryption mask. For instance, in AES-GCM, the PRF is A= ES(IV||counter) with the special counter value of 0 being used for the MA= C. Since packets are much smaller than 2^28 bytes it is possible to use A= ES(IV||0xFF||X) as a disjoint PRF to generate packet number encryption ta= gs. For instance, AES(IV||0xFF||header_flags||sample) would work well for= this purpose. (The reason the QUIC header flags byte is included is beca= use it determines the length of the packet number, and this implicitly au= thenticates it.) Note that even hardware implementations of AES-GCM would= be capable of computing this, as it would be computed for some extremely= long plaintext with a block counter of 0xFF||header_flags||sample =E2=80= =93 however, this is not typically part of the interface of AEAD implemen= tations. The cryptographic argument that justifies the safety of this ext= ended construction is the same as for the masking of the WCS tag =E2=80=93= separation of the PRF domain.

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= ----==_mimepart_5ad6011511e4f_42e83fd7ae60cf781018a7-- From nobody Tue Apr 17 10:18:03 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2183712D959 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 10:18:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.008 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.008 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PKz6YvUCU2AI for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 10:17:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0FD3E12D956 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 10:17:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=8HMPLK2AEBqPsFKlYdy4GVkbj6c=; b=I4somK5V2yY8jSXX 71XXHWzlbnJIXyDkBUy/jVdVKtIvvElb0FMz75jp43mx+kBmOYWruSHpXj5KBfkM WhcRa14QGcYZzgQYrLODaTnx/PbDh/9I4Ip9KvujgdOfNtI73eqjX36tDJqPuYDL naXvD2oR7HIJfEuUHj7llZjl3f4= Received: by filter0387p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0387p1iad2-16984-5AD62C42-19 2018-04-17 17:17:54.786603384 +0000 UTC Received: from smtp.github.com (out-10.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.193]) by ismtpd0026p1las1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id slzwl7mPRu6u2AkbMS6TYQ for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 17:17:54.715 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 17:17:54 +0000 (UTC) From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Connection migration optional? (#1271) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ad62c42325a3_54252adf04d9ef5034015"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-CSA-Complaints: whitelist-complaints@eco.de X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0BDw9N/00RQ4EymU2DF4Nsg4CDfvJBEiNhSt hL9ImXYk1cVZxGIBdjfFq0KAdpTTXySrAsGg6UOVGppofYUJQRv80cCMOTOQhdm/wxAlUv+HILMnQA 65/kCweMZ1apf+yUfAHvLQF7pESLtIbXrvl6BKcTAlG6Ea7PQncB+ey05t1w39ixq2BiI6shoGpX6V A= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 17:18:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ad62c42325a3_54252adf04d9ef5034015 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One down side of implicitly stating (explicit) migration is not supported, just by the server not providing NEW_CONNECTION_IDs, is that the connection can't use different connection IDs for the same path, even if the server and load balancer support that scenario. Recently, the spec was updated to allow for changing the CID after some period of quiescence, with the expectation that NAT rebinding will likely happen. That wouldn't work with this model. My personal preference here is still an explicit indication (most likely via TP) that the server cannot support explicit migration / client IP address changes. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1271#issuecomment-382072800 ----==_mimepart_5ad62c42325a3_54252adf04d9ef5034015 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

One down side of implicitly stating (explicit) migration is not supporte= d, just by the server not providing NEW_CONNECTION_IDs, is that the connect= ion can't use different connection IDs for the same path, even if the serve= r and load balancer support that scenario. Recently, the spec was updated t= o allow for changing the CID after some period of quiescence, with the expe= ctation that NAT rebinding will likely happen. That wouldn't work with this= model.

My personal preference here is still an explicit indication (most likely= via TP) that the server cannot support explicit migration / client IP addr= ess changes.

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= ----==_mimepart_5ad62c42325a3_54252adf04d9ef5034015-- From nobody Tue Apr 17 12:08:31 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A41A8127909 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 12:08:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LOE-EH2XK3ip for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 12:08:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 299BE12420B for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 12:08:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 12:08:27 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1523992107; bh=8WztHP9Wy9qomw+RBLQj5rO9Msv4ZSelIdysvVY3qbY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=SldKIagt1t7s/QsHzqI1J5LkJILq62AVDOzsytjcEOgZdLrG0Xie5LKAymbVFB9C6 Dk0gRHX3VBGaT6MStW5y6/kPPwFCyA4Mmgn8uS74SnFgcu2rqCWo0ILQ8PM+ki9ks1 Ohz4i2z/ltAIoVQG6LvpCs3ZwUcKtgbt7fvCBlTg= From: Praveen Balasubramanian Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Packet number transform should be negotiated (#1296) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ad6462b34b3c_5f8c2ac85252af54160824"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: pravb X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 19:08:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ad6462b34b3c_5f8c2ac85252af54160824 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Packet number encryption has been proposed as a method to prevent ossification as well as improve privacy of connection migration. However there is a performance cost of doing the transform. There are deployments where ossification is not a concern (intra-DC, private network) and there are connections which are single path where privacy is not a concern, only ossification is. Hence packet number transform needs to be a negotiation with the caveat that the negotiated transform must meet the requirements for the deployment scenario otherwise the connection should be failed. Packet number transform can be negotiated using transport parameters. Following PN transforms should be supported: 1. Packet number encryption (PNE) Connections expecting to use multiple paths due to gratuitous/voluntary migration MUST negotiate and use PNE transform. See issue 1271 where options are being discussed on how migration could be negotiated. If a client or server fails to negotiate PNE and negotiates connection migration, fail the connection. 2. Low CPU cost ossification prevention transform (like shuffle) For connections on the Internet on single path require them to negotiate this transform. If client or server fails to negotiate this transform on the Internet, fail the connection. 3. No-op (current draft) For intra-datacenter or single domain private network scenarios allow usage of the no-op transform. This is for constrained deployments so clients should not negotiate this transform by default. Servers are free to negotiate PNE all the time. This allows server deployments which have no performance concerns to always use PNE. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1296 ----==_mimepart_5ad6462b34b3c_5f8c2ac85252af54160824 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Packet number encryption has been proposed as a method to prevent ossification as well as improve privacy of connection migration. However there is a performance cost of doing the transform. There are deployments where ossification is not a concern (intra-DC, private network) and there are connections which are single path where privacy is not a concern, only ossification is.

Hence packet number transform needs to be a negotiation with the caveat that the negotiated transform must meet the requirements for the deployment scenario otherwise the connection should be failed.

Packet number transform can be negotiated using transport parameters. Following PN transforms should be supported:

  1. Packet number encryption (PNE)
    Connections expecting to use multiple paths due to gratuitous/voluntary migration MUST negotiate and use PNE transform. See issue 1271 where options are being discussed on how migration could be negotiated. If a client or server fails to negotiate PNE and negotiates connection migration, fail the connection.
  2. Low CPU cost ossification prevention transform (like shuffle)
    For connections on the Internet on single path require them to negotiate this transform. If client or server fails to negotiate this transform on the Internet, fail the connection.
  3. No-op (current draft)
    For intra-datacenter or single domain private network scenarios allow usage of the no-op transform. This is for constrained deployments so clients should not negotiate this transform by default.

Servers are free to negotiate PNE all the time. This allows server deployments which have no performance concerns to always use PNE.

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----==_mimepart_5ad6462b34b3c_5f8c2ac85252af54160824-- From nobody Tue Apr 17 12:16:09 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E2EE12420B for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 12:16:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.605 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.605 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8kxNDCuc1uZY for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 12:16:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9841C127909 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 12:16:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 12:16:06 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1523992566; bh=arDxTcW71aGe7zDWi+FxZJMSsqUW8YPMjHETN19fuCY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=tlsfrFKjRiHw0yOpr2bJfGDRRlyG8Ir48g5wPQyLvL3SMkqTlBF51dKvj+NXRV6SU LRrcwOxEaI471xRd8g29Ej/uvRkLTVjwDd5FPWAgflkl5X6zB2Xx/PbKJHKdZhA8jB EYEs5W/yWPD/m8JZuSRlU2+SH5125Ax44LR/4NHU= From: Praveen Balasubramanian Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Packet number transform should be negotiated (#1296) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ad647f653da_73fc3fb3ad510f7c4453c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: pravb X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 19:16:08 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ad647f653da_73fc3fb3ad510f7c4453c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It needs to be determined what is set as the client initial (CI) packet number, since that is sent before any negotiation. The solution is the same as what we do for client connection ID, pick a random packet number and only apply the transform to subsequent packets per negotiation. There is also some discussion that the PN space for negotiation should be different (in context of the stream 0 improvements) so this may fit in more neatly in future. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1296#issuecomment-382109506 ----==_mimepart_5ad647f653da_73fc3fb3ad510f7c4453c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It needs to be determined what is set as the client initial (CI) packe= t number, since that is sent before any negotiation. The solution is the = same as what we do for client connection ID, pick a random packet number = and only apply the transform to subsequent packets per negotiation. There= is also some discussion that the PN space for negotiation should be diff= erent (in context of the stream 0 improvements) so this may fit in more n= eatly in future.

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This wording -- "application-owned stream" -- is only used to describe the QUIC transport parameters. I tracked down the introduction of this concept to f6157a0.

Based on the diff, I gather that this simply means "not the crypto stream," at least at the time of this writing. Nevertheless, I think that the concept of an application-owned stream should be defined before it is used.

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----==_mimepart_5ad64876625b7_6cfa3fb3ad510f7c41935-- From nobody Tue Apr 17 12:37:00 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5211112420B for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 12:36:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.605 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.605 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CJzQhURgcyr7 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 12:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E25C71241F5 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 12:36:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 12:36:57 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1523993817; bh=vPXyQH1KHbhcJQbowsnr8tbh+xD6zJxzb3KFLXzfT0Q=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=uq8NMs3jZVuCS3Kv5eooH4kY8RyD1Yq6q+kSdXYDEui9s1MSScpfsTAhYL6dpffRO 7mYzZHox9t9Yt0A1dJtCF8NfO6DFEm9jLL7NHv+GWi2zonbkgvUuuebOj96aFdtZla Pa2MSkovQNU7yiB1cQrhDVkaq6DZhm57XP8lJNH0= From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Fix build: remove "numbered" attribute from Acknowledgements section (#1298) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ad64cd946352_7542b10ff3c6f50817d8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 19:36:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ad64cd946352_7542b10ff3c6f50817d8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This attribute does not seem to make a difference to the output. With it, my build fails: ``` You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1298 -- Commit Summary -- * Fix build: remove "numbered" attribute from Acknowledgements section -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md (1) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1298.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1298.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1298 ----==_mimepart_5ad64cd946352_7542b10ff3c6f50817d8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This attribute does not seem to make a difference to the output. With it, my build fails:

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----==_mimepart_5ad65aa691ba0_54ae2aee7ea78f5456232-- From nobody Tue Apr 17 13:51:39 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF002126DCA for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 13:51:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.463 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.463 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OobNcD7EKLZj for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 13:51:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E3C62126DC2 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 13:51:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=GZ47BAwGs/89X4DQ89Cfod6/h+I=; b=kFaMZzuWAswIbru1 LxMdBbGaL4JttlQmcdVmNIxtLeYa/ISfA18vf4kC0ZURiZVE5G55NCIACJMVpmAI rXkcNsq5IfjioOu3hyA3RI21z++sgS1q765Q1YVeP3WNJ15AzWiQ7qAZ+CdOaGae Hnt/+bBhcRaDLKxj2GdZD6LBXpg= Received: by filter0328p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0328p1iad2-31791-5AD65E56-2C 2018-04-17 20:51:34.946334702 +0000 UTC Received: from smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) by ismtpd0013p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id t3QhMXxySmyjyJrjLOZVDA for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 20:51:34.889 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 20:51:35 +0000 (UTC) From: afrind Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Fix build: remove "numbered" attribute from Acknowledgements section (#1298) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ad65e56cade5_590a3f8bc4f4cf882833c3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: afrind X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-CSA-Complaints: whitelist-complaints@eco.de X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak27mt8JvrheyBijnX6Lrm2PQbX3PRN7iwyD7z N8wnbPzSePOBqgstYwwoLj/brUc7zO2uARKMN/KjesD3/vx7Yd/fXyjgLBU4draKpiziNrn1eFSuka kDqDbg8ou2vy9TBCEXuZJIpUROiLR5yAmJUShWw7FCXVi9dJDgGW3/I+1A== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 20:51:38 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ad65e56cade5_590a3f8bc4f4cf882833c3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It does make a difference in my build - "Acknowledgments" vs " Appendix A. Acknowledgments" -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1298#issuecomment-382141250 ----==_mimepart_5ad65e56cade5_590a3f8bc4f4cf882833c3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

It does make a difference in my build -

"Acknowledgments" vs " Appendix A. Acknowledgments"

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OK -- however you guys want to fix it, it's fine by me. I just want make on master to work.

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----==_mimepart_5ad65eab87321_2eb1a3f8cfb44cf882174a3-- From nobody Tue Apr 17 14:05:19 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 357D312DA00 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 14:05:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.391 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.391 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AAvI-y0aa7Zt for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 14:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 97F88120725 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 14:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 14:05:16 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1523999116; bh=KgMfB+vPYu0hoXNpEEjflmu37UuYgxZbolb0WgEbocs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=aBoWgyOMNn/bGFcvOAFq19Y0qDeZAYHbUprICczoykoDW5XE+BHcncP04NnL5a4c5 E9DR5DzbRUQxelOPGNFq2Vsmm3Jk7VFnFFlLISCdLKqgh8auFVh4BRxxIZzReuG1u8 fzEJGQ6i3+7SRa9+M02z749NqNgF4yfobnNKOAAY= From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Fix build: remove "numbered" attribute from Acknowledgements section (#1298) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ad6618cb9e38_106d2abacbc76f541233e9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 21:05:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ad6618cb9e38_106d2abacbc76f541233e9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I upgraded to the latest version of `xml2rpc` and the build problem is gone. Thank, @afrind! -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1298#issuecomment-382145805 ----==_mimepart_5ad6618cb9e38_106d2abacbc76f541233e9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I upgraded to the latest version of xml2rpc and the build problem is gone. Thank, @afrind!

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Closed #1298.

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It does on my machine and apparently on Circle or we would have gotten build break e-mails. What version of xml2rfc are you using? I have 2.9.6, and can verify it also builds successfully on 2.8.5.

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I had version 2.5.1. Now I have 2.9.6.

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Please do so, and make it clear that it's a decryptable packet with a unique packet number (assuming that's correct)

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----==_mimepart_5ad663dc752e1_73a53fd1e5c1cf7c105335-- From nobody Tue Apr 17 14:21:28 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F27D1289B0 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 14:21:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.463 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.463 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1Yo1pz6LoeeS for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 14:21:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o5.sgmail.github.com (o5.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E15CD126D0C for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 14:21:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=DeIEioikXQM7fKfKzBhtIamjSF4=; b=uAszWdJTB8HXXD2h QWzgWBYVT3IxNszyFhDy60vYrXSrjA2yKkCBrw+/aOK8l7INNi0Cs7dNlT7D0ax1 y696me9vf8lBfOmdoEw4v3iZwN48370LP6MxRVw3PiW3QeVwYT0Qy2hhzLqsHlq1 Ag71w0WEdzEs01C8jgt3g9vpEkg= Received: by filter0212p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0212p1iad2-3619-5AD66553-16 2018-04-17 21:21:23.735439979 +0000 UTC Received: from smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id XdzFkuVvQJuQCALzigF-ag for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 21:21:23.634 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 21:21:23 +0000 (UTC) From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] How to recover from loss of 3 Handshake packets without receiving PATH_RESPONSE (#1257) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ad66553869d5_9702ae9cb630f58242898"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-CSA-Complaints: whitelist-complaints@eco.de X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak14UYqFRoP0L7UGgSrsdazYj45QhYDQGskrBM mKLbkHJFQfatxlNJkVQ4BKOaqz29mjOr43BZCCH6LghEnHde2cJGaKo0qZZ6+vV9rgNyxTBa3U6HV5 xZZuU9vb9WUOPMun3lViEkYJWpfgB2OWvyUKav0K+jS6QJKat5C5Y6K6KQ== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 21:21:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ad66553869d5_9702ae9cb630f58242898 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To be maximally correct, I believe it should be per new packet that's received and processed, not just decrypted. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1257#issuecomment-382151011 ----==_mimepart_5ad66553869d5_9702ae9cb630f58242898 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

To be maximally correct, I believe it should be per new packet that's received and processed, not just decrypted.

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That seems silly and a lot of work. Rather, this should just be about ACK-only frames. Commit: 32f3bd9c4c5f7cbec074538350ebe52ead81e2d5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/32f3bd9c4c5f7cbec074538350ebe52ead81e2d5 Author: EKR Date: 2018-03-19 (Mon, 19 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Rephrase the text about one-way sending Commit: 0359cc729efc4575fda5c918c12b011e2c4ac94b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0359cc729efc4575fda5c918c12b011e2c4ac94b Author: EKR Date: 2018-03-19 (Mon, 19 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Update per comments Commit: 608a95db9bb33a07353628a18954c73c7c3606a0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/608a95db9bb33a07353628a18954c73c7c3606a0 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-03-19 (Mon, 19 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md Log Message: ----------- allow asymmetry of versions Commit: 4daa5b5f5de225743f3b826b644cfd0ef8061a22 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4daa5b5f5de225743f3b826b644cfd0ef8061a22 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-03-19 (Mon, 19 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1241 from quicwg/version-asymmetry-invariant allow asymmetry of versions Commit: c3bb6d4946e36e4ff31f3959090313af2b1bf14c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c3bb6d4946e36e4ff31f3959090313af2b1bf14c Author: ianswett Date: 2018-03-20 (Tue, 20 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md Log Message: ----------- Editorial Commit: 306f19c92e52af41b1f15d0ac18190c6792f37a6 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/306f19c92e52af41b1f15d0ac18190c6792f37a6 Author: Alan Frindell Date: 2018-03-20 (Tue, 20 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md Log Message: ----------- Clarify suggested algorithm for handling QPACK acknowledgements Fixes #1126 Commit: ec2f002f8e11d9176da93de65c156b9c03dfab28 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ec2f002f8e11d9176da93de65c156b9c03dfab28 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-03-20 (Tue, 20 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1244 from quicwg/ianswett-editorial Editorial Commit: 9d3484ba10426e1a9c931ee56f7d220f272ccc50 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9d3484ba10426e1a9c931ee56f7d220f272ccc50 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-03-22 (Thu, 22 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Only pace retransmittable packets (#1222) * Only pace retransmittable packets * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md * Jana's suggestion. Commit: a2e6c8b9d31179c84cdece343a7a3d9da8e99353 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a2e6c8b9d31179c84cdece343a7a3d9da8e99353 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-03-26 (Mon, 26 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Fix OnPacketAcked (#1248) Fixes Issue #903 Commit: 4a10b92d5d6705dc8239630bc0b3d5fe3c2bf6a0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4a10b92d5d6705dc8239630bc0b3d5fe3c2bf6a0 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-03-27 (Tue, 27 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- A more complete connection migration (#1249) * Create new branch for migration PR (#1012) because unicorns are not nice. * remove overview. again. * sync * fix rebase * Martin's comments * fix ref * comments Commit: acd7db87c531f0ac3845200b8ea8622f4dd32a8f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/acd7db87c531f0ac3845200b8ea8622f4dd32a8f Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-03-27 (Tue, 27 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Probing packet (#1253) * probing packet * could * server, not endpoint Commit: ce3d071ef48d0f87cd3935153cf3081b0fbda68b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ce3d071ef48d0f87cd3935153cf3081b0fbda68b Author: Christian Huitema Date: 2018-03-30 (Fri, 30 Mar 2018) Changed paths: M .circleci/config.yml M README.md M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md R draft-ietf-quic-qcram.md A draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2 from quicwg/master Align with quicwg Commit: 0ad934aa255ef95b99f0c73cfc4e5e5c18aba5fa https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0ad934aa255ef95b99f0c73cfc4e5e5c18aba5fa Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-04-04 (Wed, 04 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Ian's tweak Commit: 88d27ac86361f43baad911fdceaa02c450deef64 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/88d27ac86361f43baad911fdceaa02c450deef64 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-04-04 (Wed, 04 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Tweaking some more Commit: 241027a72627ead7a3e3d13302c15e438a7ef053 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/241027a72627ead7a3e3d13302c15e438a7ef053 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2018-04-03 (Tue, 03 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Change CID after inactivity Commit: 00890b13f3a6b2221c9c6de50966e5b2af6945a7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/00890b13f3a6b2221c9c6de50966e5b2af6945a7 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2018-04-03 (Tue, 03 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Martin's precision Commit: cc42fe05157bd92ab8ddd7ca4d3c1fa76c4822f2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/cc42fe05157bd92ab8ddd7ca4d3c1fa76c4822f2 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-04-04 (Wed, 04 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1214 from quicwg/inactive_rebind Change CID after inactivity Commit: 5a9c9880d8681fc4ec8e4edc810537a4950d2c48 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5a9c9880d8681fc4ec8e4edc810537a4950d2c48 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-04-04 (Wed, 04 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove unnecessary text from #1253 This paragraph: > A server MUST NOT send non-probing frames to a client's address until the server > receives a non-probing packet from that address. Is true only with the restriction of migration to client addresses. It complicates the server migration story if we ever want to do that (as we already have with the proposal for preferred addresses). Commit: d09ab773fd8af9ef8cbbdf9817b9e0d262c68340 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d09ab773fd8af9ef8cbbdf9817b9e0d262c68340 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-04-04 (Wed, 04 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- More flesh to the client-only migration text Commit: 87af6f9f337f87e4d9dcfa99fbe9a07d228c6cf3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/87af6f9f337f87e4d9dcfa99fbe9a07d228c6cf3 Author: Kazuho Oku Date: 2018-04-04 (Wed, 04 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- define compound packets Commit: d9c7f0dc9351febfdcfe1feaff1dd6d468aa395d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d9c7f0dc9351febfdcfe1feaff1dd6d468aa395d Author: Kazuho Oku Date: 2018-04-04 (Wed, 04 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- fold in 80 chars Commit: a52715a046261f9c25471c8d2174286e8125c6c7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a52715a046261f9c25471c8d2174286e8125c6c7 Author: Kazuho Oku Date: 2018-04-05 (Thu, 05 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Payload Length and Payload in one line Commit: 36aa38566603ddcdc8ccb549aec305cc6e102763 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/36aa38566603ddcdc8ccb549aec305cc6e102763 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-04-05 (Thu, 05 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Additionally, remove additionally Commit: 27e2ffb443d7ee3a2f7a04710ae6f098dd97e4a9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/27e2ffb443d7ee3a2f7a04710ae6f098dd97e4a9 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-04-05 (Thu, 05 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1254 from quicwg/fix-1253 Remove unnecessary text from #1253 Commit: 77f90aa5fa098a98461be3e486a13a5005d232c6 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/77f90aa5fa098a98461be3e486a13a5005d232c6 Author: Kazuho Oku Date: 2018-04-05 (Thu, 05 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- switch typenames to `*-Initial` Commit: 97796cbf81afbff406e929ef9b4ce403e7001e3a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/97796cbf81afbff406e929ef9b4ce403e7001e3a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-04-06 (Fri, 06 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Provide a linkage between key and _pp__ Also remove the underscore to save some space. Closes #1266. 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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This may also be a version thing -- there's an implicit anchor on the name of the section (as here). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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This may also be a version thing -- there's an implicit anchor on the name of the section (as here).

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This seems like it might be a more generally useful addition to https://github.com/martinthomson/i-d-template, rather than being specific to QUIC.

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I know this has been merged but..

Http doc missed out that frame diagrams were added

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If anything you'd want to say application-layer-mapping-owned. Instead how about this... Stream 0 is already identified as a special case so why not just talk about "streams"and put a reminder (which is already there fwiw) that stream 0 is not included. Or so we really anticipate that the transport will "gobble up" more streams such that this term is usable for application layer mapping design? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1297#issuecomment-382182300 ----==_mimepart_5ad67afd3bb62_4fc13f8d56f88f7c4138a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Now you've highlighted it, the phrasing with that term seems clunky. I= f anything you'd want to say application-layer-mapping-owned. Instead how= about this...

Stream 0 is already identified as a special case so why not just talk = about "streams"and put a reminder (which is already there fwiw) that stre= am 0 is not included.

Or so we really anticipate that the transport will "gobble up" more st= reams such that this term is usable for application layer mapping design?=

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Tue, 17 Apr 2018 23:24:12.287 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 23:24:12 +0000 (UTC) From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Changelog for -11 (#1291) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ad6821ca3a7_7dca3f9789f74f8011335"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-CSA-Complaints: whitelist-complaints@eco.de X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2+kCOZncuxxtYb+H1mOq2cCgoawcCT3beb9W 4whnvjNTzd5DE1IF08VT0aaWbL5YeLZw8Rr4I9mqBFwQGbpLAsAWznsgUZOvTYhDumE4SrbzeLrM0w NpHbpiFn9wt+j2AOo+XN27S/7FUBsCOf2mk60HRea+y93qD2AZd2pxMPn+7QV2RGuVtWY3VtmOKrAQ A= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 23:24:15 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ad6821ca3a7_7dca3f9789f74f8011335 Content-Type: text/plain; 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That's purely editorial, though. The main point of the changelog is to call implementor attention to things they need to re-examine in their code.

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Thanks, Mike, just a few comments, mostly minor. > @@ -1150,6 +1151,14 @@ language from Section 3 of {{!I-D.ietf-tls-tls13}}. }; TransportParameter parameters<22..2^16-1>; } TransportParameters; + + struct { + enum { IPv4(4), IPv6(6), (15)} ipVersion; + opaque ipAddress<4..2^8-1>; Why does this need to be as long as 255 bytes? Or am I misreading again? > @@ -1249,9 +1258,14 @@ stateless_reset_token (0x0006): : The Stateless Reset Token is used in verifying a stateless reset, see {{stateless-reset}}. This parameter is a sequence of 16 octets. -A client MUST NOT include a stateless reset token. A server MUST treat receipt -of a stateless_reset_token transport parameter as a connection error of type -TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR. +preferred_address (0x0004): + +: The server's Preferred Address is used to effect a server address migration at s/a server address migration/change of a server address/ > +MUST continue sending all future packets to the server's original IP address. + + +### Responding to Connection Migration + +A server might receive a packet addressed to its preferred IP address at any +time after the handshake is completed. If this packet contains a PATH_CHALLENGE +frame, the server sends a PATH_RESPONSE frame as per {{migrate-validate}}, but +the server MUST continue sending all other packets from its original IP address. + +The server SHOULD also initiate path validation of the client using its +preferred address and the address from which it received the client probe. This +helps to guard against spurious migration initiated by an attacker. + +Once the server has completed its path validation and has received a non-probing +packet on its preferred address which is the largest packet number seen so far, How about: s/has received a non-probing packet on its preferred address which is the largest packet number seen so far/has received a non-probing packet with a new largest packet number on its preferred address/ > +A client might need to perform a connection migration before the server's +connection migration has completed. In this case, the client SHOULD perform +path validation to both the original and preferred server address from the +client's new address concurrently. + +If path validation of the server's preferred address succeeds, the client MUST +abandon validation of the original address and migrate to using the server's +preferred address. If path validation of the server's preferred address fails, +but validation of the server's original address succeeds, the client MAY migrate +to using the original address from the client's new address. + +If the connection to the server's preferred address is not from the same client +address, the server MUST protect against potential attacks as described in +{{address-spoofing}} and {{on-path-spoofing}}. In addition to intentional +simultaneous migration, this might also occur because the client's access +network used a different NAT binding for the server's preferred address. Agree with Martin -- I think this needs more text. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1251#pullrequestreview-113055203 ----==_mimepart_5ad6ae1979fe2_69102b2323718f60281235 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Thanks, Mike, just a few comments, mostly minor.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1150,6 +1151,14 @@ language from Section 3 of {{!I-D.ietf-tls-tls13}}.
       };
       TransportParameter parameters<22..2^16-1>;
    } TransportParameters;
+
+   struct {
+     enum { IPv4(4), IPv6(6), (15)} ipVersion;
+     opaque ipAddress<4..2^8-1>;

Why does this need to be as long as 255 bytes? Or am I misreading again?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1249,9 +1258,14 @@ stateless_reset_token (0x0006):
 : The Stateless Reset Token is used in verifying a stateless reset, see
   {{stateless-reset}}.  This parameter is a sequence of 16 octets.
 
-A client MUST NOT include a stateless reset token.  A server MUST treat receipt
-of a stateless_reset_token transport parameter as a connection error of type
-TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR.
+preferred_address (0x0004):
+
+: The server's Preferred Address is used to effect a server address migration at

s/a server address migration/change of a server address/

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +MUST continue sending all future packets to the server's original IP address.
+
+
+### Responding to Connection Migration
+
+A server might receive a packet addressed to its preferred IP address at any
+time after the handshake is completed.  If this packet contains a PATH_CHALLENGE
+frame, the server sends a PATH_RESPONSE frame as per {{migrate-validate}}, but
+the server MUST continue sending all other packets from its original IP address.
+
+The server SHOULD also initiate path validation of the client using its
+preferred address and the address from which it received the client probe.  This
+helps to guard against spurious migration initiated by an attacker.
+
+Once the server has completed its path validation and has received a non-probing
+packet on its preferred address which is the largest packet number seen so far,

How about: s/has received a non-probing packet on its preferred address which is the largest packet number seen so far/has received a non-probing packet with a new largest packet number on its preferred address/

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +A client might need to perform a connection migration before the server's
+connection migration has completed.  In this case, the client SHOULD perform
+path validation to both the original and preferred server address from the
+client's new address concurrently.
+
+If path validation of the server's preferred address succeeds, the client MUST
+abandon validation of the original address and migrate to using the server's
+preferred address.  If path validation of the server's preferred address fails,
+but validation of the server's original address succeeds, the client MAY migrate
+to using the original address from the client's new address.
+
+If the connection to the server's preferred address is not from the same client
+address, the server MUST protect against potential attacks as described in
+{{address-spoofing}} and {{on-path-spoofing}}.  In addition to intentional
+simultaneous migration, this might also occur because the client's access
+network used a different NAT binding for the server's preferred address.

Agree with Martin -- I think this needs more text.

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0 is currently a valid value for the payload length, but sending a packet with no payload is not allowed. By making this value special, we can give it a clearly defined meaning, and save a byte in the common case (and potentially make implementations easier).

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Would't it be even more efficient with a header flag, if there are any bits left? There are many more invalid values than just zero, e.g. all longer than UDP size.

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----==_mimepart_5ad6d4e539655_775d3ffc6f216f781149b7-- From nobody Wed Apr 18 05:17:57 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CA39127978 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2018 05:17:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qb2ZMhUNbd1U for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2018 05:17:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-13.smtp.github.com (out-13.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 634A5127023 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2018 05:17:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2018 05:17:54 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1524053874; bh=26JauwrzV9s5A+lMU+c3OUT+VYButWTIvFi8+Fn3ilM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=t/3qyWqSGXEu0B0hjfUqAgPQSM9MtnzpfU0szWz/l+71oT7xrSBEGDoRrqw7y3wO8 3BYDQyjKnff1qaXhFA6BZETlK+CGPKiBHpuLvDL2tOhL0Zk2jORP3R3lCOBLjw8HGw XRrpJV9RGkSHItFBTrevX1Eq3Gd5Je8fCGSrh49c= From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QUIC-TRANSPORT: Add missing anchor to Packet Number Gap section (#1300) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ad73772c6595_40873fe6ad764f849203b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2018 12:17:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ad73772c6595_40873fe6ad764f849203b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #1300. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1300#event-1581290288 ----==_mimepart_5ad73772c6595_40873fe6ad764f849203b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Closed #1300.

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----==_mimepart_5ad73772c6595_40873fe6ad764f849203b-- From nobody Wed Apr 18 05:18:02 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05CB2127023 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2018 05:17:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m9ft9ViB9FaT for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2018 05:17:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6AE63127698 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2018 05:17:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2018 05:17:54 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1524053874; bh=fcJptcKqv6ZTOKBkPIJnp469u6puMNzCgrFQZE8FDOM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=KSvKW4IBPWF+QvhaHXu48iculfcZ7Jl8gRZdakhvxzBxFse4w9kLPNUdfR/s0yRz4 /+6iS/dqyk3o0fux/ub4TmcInOKCOnXfIIALIKnzRNqyZvWfyHHysqSPgmOTbcAv1U 0GBkbGoozVnbtMn6WpNSwink1CB22lXadG/afZzU= From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QUIC-TRANSPORT: Add missing anchor to Packet Number Gap section (#1300) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ad73772b023a_66c82b1312d4af58557a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2018 12:17:57 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ad73772b023a_66c82b1312d4af58557a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is true -- there is no need for this change. Thanks. This also means I should improve the tag-generating code. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1300#issuecomment-382366576 ----==_mimepart_5ad73772b023a_66c82b1312d4af58557a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This is true -- there is no need for this change. Thanks.

This also means I should improve the tag-generating code.

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It's not specific to QUIC. I find having tags useful and so I wanted to share.

I will improve the logic to support implicit anchors.

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----==_mimepart_5ad737dff7a7_45492aaf68c04f5842958-- From nobody Wed Apr 18 06:00:54 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D30A812D875 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2018 06:00:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DvgEb6rxJoZ4 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2018 06:00:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BB30D12EACD for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2018 06:00:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=l9r0whRaTL1U78pndhnGQTY2h60=; b=iZ/JGaGaNHkMzS1W ci8zck3G4Q0snSYTftENa4ik+THjbMuSSGEege9ZpWQQmenVID/CdrTxU7URw+/o cHqOyOu5mxmyZMFPD5uCn4uUDdH80wlii8gfYqfjZakuaRtQZyf5g4iUBMmRB7J9 4T3myPJaGYIKL6Cq6CZG4gZYXPg= Received: by filter0315p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0315p1iad2-6978-5AD7415C-1C 2018-04-18 13:00:12.44896645 +0000 UTC Received: from smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) by ismtpd0039p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id _0FoRmw3QumKB1YFXXycug for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2018 13:00:12.670 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2018 13:00:12 +0000 (UTC) From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Generate tags file for explicit and implicit anchors in the drafts (#1302) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ad7415c176da_60613f9cadc3ef7c34690"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-CSA-Complaints: whitelist-complaints@eco.de X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak23t7yEHVqoeJI9FawS7er0FpDlkwtG1YTgdX DkgvALQSkMyH3+I8jDb4OFk0MltQaTydy0O1GtIYJl4GjMV5u4NUFq/f7ch6f3mWU5yLvFl69Y54Vt AKaxEPuiJEV/W5VhCLmRnhkUk93G/lshNPRlavVJa0SaK0H0HX7gQF4e+7tKSB6RaHZRwqx53crGF4 k= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2018 13:00:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ad7415c176da_60613f9cadc3ef7c34690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This replaces PR #1299. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1302 -- Commit Summary -- * Generate tags file for explicit and implicit anchors in the Markdown drafts -- File Changes -- A .gen-tags.pl (39) M Makefile (10) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1302.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1302.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1302 ----==_mimepart_5ad7415c176da_60613f9cadc3ef7c34690 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This replaces PR #1299.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1302

Commit Summary

  • Generate tags file for explicit and implicit anchors in the Markdown drafts

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I prefer not making 0 special for two reasons.

Firstly, I am not sure if it simplifies things. While I can see that i= t makes the encoding side slightly simpler for some implementations, I wo= uld argue that it makes the decoding side more complex since you need to = special-case 0. Note that any value below AEAD tag length + 1 are invalid= , so special-casing 0 just adds another if on the decoding s= ide.

Secondly, I prefer just having one canonicalized form rather than havi= ng two ways to represent the same thing.

@mikkelfj

Would't it be even more efficient with a header flag, if there are any= bits left?

FWIW, we discussed that in #1262 and it seemed that we preferred not having differe= nt packet types for those that have payload lengths fields. You might wan= t to look at the comments.

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Fixes #1297.

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  • Remove term "application-owned streams"

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However, the= proposed change does > not alter the short packet header, and the PN length is indicated by t= he > last 3 bits of the flags byte, and restricted to be one of 8, 16, or 32 > bits. Under this assumption, the sample_offset can be redefined as the > length of the packet header - we think it is reasonable to keep the PN > length public, and avoid having a fuzzy limit between packet header and > contents, which could be a source of side channels in the processing o= f the > packet after PN decryption, in particular considering point 2 below. > 2. > > Given that packet numbers in short packets are only a few bytes and > get encrypted without authentication, they are extremely vulnerable to > malleability, and using a XOR mask encryption (such as CTR mode or Cha= Cha20 > keystream) compounds the problem even further, because an adversary can > selectively flip the few bits of interests for him (the low weight one= s) to > find out using side channels what position the reader is at in the str= eam > (as discussed in the PR comments). We are concerned that some > implementations may try to perform optimizations based on the decrypte= d PN > without first first decrypting the packet (for instance, an implementa= tion > may chose not to decrypt the packet if the decrypted SN has been acked= , or > above some threshold). Any such optimization is a side channel that ca= n be > extremely efficiently used to recover the PN. We think it is a weaknes= s of > the PN encryption scheme to allow implementations to fall into this tr= ap. > Using a 32-bit permutation cipher rather than AES-CTR or ChaCha20 would > make such attacks less effective. A cipher such as Speck with 32 bit b= locks > could be well suited for this purpose, and also much faster. > > Note that if we're willing to bake in a permutation, we can just go back to Kazuho's original proposal of AES-ECBing the PN + in place. --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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> We have been discussing this PR at Microsoft with Cedric Fournet and N= ick
> Banks and have some comments on the current proposal:
>
> 1.
>
> As pointed out in the other reviews of this PR, there is a lot of > ambiguity regarding whether the packet number length is or isn=E2= =80=99t encrypted.
> In the current PR, the formula to compute the sample_offset only ma= kes
> sense if the packet number is a =E2=80=9Cvarint=E2=80=9D. However, = the proposed change does
> not alter the short packet header, and the PN length is indicated b= y the
> last 3 bits of the flags byte, and restricted to be one of 8, 16, o= r 32
> bits. Under this assumption, the sample_offset can be redefined as = the
> length of the packet header - we think it is reasonable to keep the= PN
> length public, and avoid having a fuzzy limit between packet header= and
> contents, which could be a source of side channels in the processin= g of the
> packet after PN decryption, in particular considering point 2 below= .
> 2.
>
> Given that packet numbers in short packets are only a few bytes and=
> get encrypted without authentication, they are extremely vulnerable= to
> malleability, and using a XOR mask encryption (such as CTR mode or = ChaCha20
> keystream) compounds the problem even further, because an adversary= can
> selectively flip the few bits of interests for him (the low weight = ones) to
> find out using side channels what position the reader is at in the = stream
> (as discussed in the PR comments). We are concerned that some
> implementations may try to perform optimizations based on the decry= pted PN
> without first first decrypting the packet (for instance, an impleme= ntation
> may chose not to decrypt the packet if the decrypted SN has been ac= ked, or
> above some threshold). Any such optimization is a side channel that= can be
> extremely efficiently used to recover the PN. We think it is a weak= ness of
> the PN encryption scheme to allow implementations to fall into this= trap.
> Using a 32-bit permutation cipher rather than AES-CTR or ChaCha20 w= ould
> make such attacks less effective. A cipher such as Speck with 32 bi= t blocks
> could be well suited for this purpose, and also much faster.
>
>
Note that if we're willing to bake in a permutation, we can just go bac= k to
Kazuho's original proposal of AES-ECBing the PN + <X bytes of cipher= text>
in place.

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However, th= e proposed > change does > > not alter the short packet header, and the PN length is indicated by = the > > last 3 bits of the flags byte, and restricted to be one of 8, 16, or = 32 > > bits. Under this assumption, the sample_offset can be redefined as th= e > > length of the packet header - we think it is reasonable to keep the P= N > > length public, and avoid having a fuzzy limit between packet header a= nd > > contents, which could be a source of side channels in the processing > of the > > packet after PN decryption, in particular considering point 2 below. > > 2. > > > > Given that packet numbers in short packets are only a few bytes and > > get encrypted without authentication, they are extremely vulnerable t= o > > malleability, and using a XOR mask encryption (such as CTR mode or > ChaCha20 > > keystream) compounds the problem even further, because an adversary c= an > > selectively flip the few bits of interests for him (the low weight > ones) to > > find out using side channels what position the reader is at in the > stream > > (as discussed in the PR comments). We are concerned that some > > implementations may try to perform optimizations based on the > decrypted PN > > without first first decrypting the packet (for instance, an > implementation > > may chose not to decrypt the packet if the decrypted SN has been > acked, or > > above some threshold). Any such optimization is a side channel that > can be > > extremely efficiently used to recover the PN. We think it is a > weakness of > > the PN encryption scheme to allow implementations to fall into this > trap. > > Using a 32-bit permutation cipher rather than AES-CTR or ChaCha20 wou= ld > > make such attacks less effective. A cipher such as Speck with 32 bit > blocks > > could be well suited for this purpose, and also much faster. > > > > > Note that if we're willing to bake in a permutation, we can just go > back to > Kazuho's original proposal of AES-ECBing the PN + > in place. I am not sure that I understand Cedric's proposal to use Speck. Would that be a variant of #1079 in which the only change is the use of a block cipher like Speck instead of a stream cipher like AES-CTR? Clearly, using a block cipher with exactly the same length as the PN will have some advantages in term of implementation. But it is not a straight win: * Malleability is still there. Since the permutation only affects the low bits of the sequence number, there are still reasonable chances that decrypting a random number results in an acceptable sequence number. The risk goes down from 100% with a stream cipher to at most 50% with a permutation cipher. * The current proposal has baked-in crypto agility, because it uses the same stream cipher for content encryption and for PN encryption, and thus negotiates it at the same time. We would need to specify which permutation cipher is associated with each of the content encryption methods. AES-ECB is indeed an option when using AES for content, but what about ChaCha20? * As for the AES-ECB proposal, the effect on hardware acceleration is probably even more drastic than the current design, since some bits would have to be decrypted twice. Cedric is "concerned that some implementations may try to perform optimizations based on the decrypted PN without first first decrypting the packet", and that would provide a "side channel that can be extremely efficiently used to recover the PN". But then, what he describes is not just an optimization. It is a standard defense against denial of service attacks, filtering out implausible sequence numbers and avoiding the CPU cost of decrypting the forged packets. I am not sure about the trade-off there, between "maybe helping recover the PN" and "further exposure to DOS". -- Christian Huitema -- = You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1079#issuecomment-382459179= ----==_mimepart_5ad77b10f2e0b_5e812b167f44cf588543f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 4/18/2018 9:22 AM, ekr wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 7:13 AM, Antoine Delignat-Lavaud <
> notifications@github.com> wrote:
>
> > We have been discussing this PR at Microsoft with Cedric Fourne= t and
> Nick
> > Banks and have some comments on the current proposal:
> >
> > 1.
> >
> > As pointed out in the other reviews of this PR, there is a lot = of
> > ambiguity regarding whether the packet number length is or isn=E2= =80=99t
> encrypted.
> > In the current PR, the formula to compute the sample_offset onl= y makes
> > sense if the packet number is a =E2=80=9Cvarint=E2=80=9D. Howev= er, the proposed
> change does
> > not alter the short packet header, and the PN length is indicat= ed by the
> > last 3 bits of the flags byte, and restricted to be one of 8, 1= 6, or 32
> > bits. Under this assumption, the sample_offset can be redefined= as the
> > length of the packet header - we think it is reasonable to keep= the PN
> > length public, and avoid having a fuzzy limit between packet he= ader and
> > contents, which could be a source of side channels in the proce= ssing
> of the
> > packet after PN decryption, in particular considering point 2 b= elow.
> > 2.
> >
> > Given that packet numbers in short packets are only a few bytes= and
> > get encrypted without authentication, they are extremely vulner= able to
> > malleability, and using a XOR mask encryption (such as CTR mode= or
> ChaCha20
> > keystream) compounds the problem even further, because an adver= sary can
> > selectively flip the few bits of interests for him (the low wei= ght
> ones) to
> > find out using side channels what position the reader is at in = the
> stream
> > (as discussed in the PR comments). We are concerned that some > > implementations may try to perform optimizations based on the > decrypted PN
> > without first first decrypting the packet (for instance, an
= > implementation
> > may chose not to decrypt the packet if the decrypted SN has bee= n
> acked, or
> > above some threshold). Any such optimization is a side channel = that
> can be
> > extremely efficiently used to recover the PN. We think it is a<= br> > weakness of
> > the PN encryption scheme to allow implementations to fall into = this
> trap.
> > Using a 32-bit permutation cipher rather than AES-CTR or ChaCha= 20 would
> > make such attacks less effective. A cipher such as Speck with 3= 2 bit
> blocks
> > could be well suited for this purpose, and also much faster. > >
> >
> Note that if we're willing to bake in a permutation, we can just= go
> back to
> Kazuho's original proposal of AES-ECBing the PN + <X bytes of= ciphertext>
> in place.

I am not sure that I understand Cedric's proposal to use Speck. Would=
that be a variant of #1079 in which the only change is the use of a
block cipher like Speck instead of a stream cipher like AES-CTR?

Clearly, using a block cipher with exactly the same length as the PN
will have some advantages in term of implementation. But it is not a
straight win:

* Malleability is still there. Since the permutation only affects the
= low bits of the sequence number, there are still reasonable chances that<= br> decrypting a random number results in an acceptable sequence number. The<= br> risk goes down from 100% with a stream cipher to at most 50% with a
permutation cipher.

* The current proposal has baked-in crypto agility, because it uses the same stream cipher for content encryption and for PN encryption, and
thus negotiates it at the same time. We would need to specify which
permutation cipher is associated with each of the content encryption
methods. AES-ECB is indeed an option when using AES for content, but
what about ChaCha20?

* As for the AES-ECB proposal, the effect on hardware acceleration is
= probably even more drastic than the current design, since some bits
would have to be decrypted twice.

Cedric is "concerned that some implementations may try to perform optimizations based on the decrypted PN without first first decrypting the packet", and that would provide a "side channel that can be=
extremely efficiently used to recover the PN". But then, what he
= describes is not just an optimization. It is a standard defense against denial of service attacks, filtering out implausible sequence numbers
= and avoiding the CPU cost of decrypting the forged packets. I am not
sure about the trade-off there, between "maybe helping recover the P= N"
and "further exposure to DOS".

-- Christian Huitema

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In this case, the client SHOULD perform +path validation to both the original and preferred server address from the +client's new address concurrently. + +If path validation of the server's preferred address succeeds, the client MUST +abandon validation of the original address and migrate to using the server's +preferred address. If path validation of the server's preferred address fails, +but validation of the server's original address succeeds, the client MAY migrate +to using the original address from the client's new address. + +If the connection to the server's preferred address is not from the same client +address, the server MUST protect against potential attacks as described in +{{address-spoofing}} and {{on-path-spoofing}}. In addition to intentional +simultaneous migration, this might also occur because the client's access +network used a different NAT binding for the server's preferred address. I've added some text, but it feels duplicative of {{address-spoofing}}. 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@MikeBishop commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +A client might need to perform a connection migration before the server's
+connection migration has completed.  In this case, the client SHOULD perform
+path validation to both the original and preferred server address from the
+client's new address concurrently.
+
+If path validation of the server's preferred address succeeds, the client MUST
+abandon validation of the original address and migrate to using the server's
+preferred address.  If path validation of the server's preferred address fails,
+but validation of the server's original address succeeds, the client MAY migrate
+to using the original address from the client's new address.
+
+If the connection to the server's preferred address is not from the same client
+address, the server MUST protect against potential attacks as described in
+{{address-spoofing}} and {{on-path-spoofing}}.  In addition to intentional
+simultaneous migration, this might also occur because the client's access
+network used a different NAT binding for the server's preferred address.

I've added some text, but it feels duplicative of {{address-spoofing}}. Concrete suggestions of "more text" would be welcome.

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Exactly: my point is that you're making the PR into QUIC's local Makefil= e instead of the template's Makefile. (Also, you can update PRs by pushing= more commits to the same branch, even replacing commits with --force= if needed. Updates don't require a new PR.)

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Can I just say again how much I dislike sentinel values?

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Well, if you guys don't want it, you can just close PR #1302 and write that you don't want it. I know I will still use tags. :)

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Deleting the offending words without replacing the meaning they conveyed doesn't quite get us there, I think. > @@ -1202,28 +1202,27 @@ An endpoint MAY use the following transport parameters: initial_max_streams_bidi (0x0002): : The initial maximum bidirectional streams parameter contains the initial - maximum number of application-owned bidirectional streams the peer may - initiate, encoded as an unsigned 16-bit integer. If this parameter is absent - or zero, application-owned bidirectional streams cannot be created until a - MAX_STREAM_ID frame is sent. Note that a value of 0 does not prevent the - cryptographic handshake stream (that is, stream 0) from being used. Setting - this parameter is equivalent to sending a MAX_STREAM_ID - ({{frame-max-stream-id}}) immediately after completing the handshake - containing the corresponding Stream ID. For example, a value of 0x05 would be - equivalent to receiving a MAX_STREAM_ID containing 20 when received by a - client or 17 when received by a server. + maximum number of bidirectional streams the peer may initiate, encoded as + an unsigned 16-bit integer. Note that the cryptographic handshake stream + (that is, stream 0) is exempt, a value of zero does not prevent it from being The issue is that stream 0 is still (pending design team) a bidirectional stream initiated by the peer. So a valid interpretation of this new text would be: - 0: Special case, can still use crypto stream - 1: One bidirectional stream permitted, which is the crypto stream - 2: Two bidirectional streams permitted, one of which is the crypto stream ...and so on. The point of "application-owned" is not just that zero can't be blocked by this setting, but to clarify that the number available to the application isn't one less than this value due to 0. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1303#pullrequestreview-113393990 ----==_mimepart_5ad7b4e5d3b7a_3f602b18a88e8f50852d6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@MikeBishop requested changes on this pull request.

Deleting the offending words without replacing the meaning they conveyed doesn't quite get us there, I think.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1202,28 +1202,27 @@ An endpoint MAY use the following transport parameters:
 initial_max_streams_bidi (0x0002):
 
 : The initial maximum bidirectional streams parameter contains the initial
-  maximum number of application-owned bidirectional streams the peer may
-  initiate, encoded as an unsigned 16-bit integer.  If this parameter is absent
-  or zero, application-owned bidirectional streams cannot be created until a
-  MAX_STREAM_ID frame is sent.  Note that a value of 0 does not prevent the
-  cryptographic handshake stream (that is, stream 0) from being used. Setting
-  this parameter is equivalent to sending a MAX_STREAM_ID
-  ({{frame-max-stream-id}}) immediately after completing the handshake
-  containing the corresponding Stream ID. For example, a value of 0x05 would be
-  equivalent to receiving a MAX_STREAM_ID containing 20 when received by a
-  client or 17 when received by a server.
+  maximum number of bidirectional streams the peer may initiate, encoded as
+  an unsigned 16-bit integer.  Note that the cryptographic handshake stream
+  (that is, stream 0) is exempt, a value of zero does not prevent it from being

The issue is that stream 0 is still (pending design team) a bidirectional stream initiated by the peer. So a valid interpretation of this new text would be:

  • 0: Special case, can still use crypto stream
  • 1: One bidirectional stream permitted, which is the crypto stream
  • 2: Two bidirectional streams permitted, one of which is the crypto stream
    ...and so on.

The point of "application-owned" is not just that zero can't be blocked by this setting, but to clarify that the number available to the application isn't one less than this value due to 0.

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Oh, and your build failures are from trailing whitespace on lines 1222-1224.

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----==_mimepart_5ad7b99d8db28_69c33f950e318f84140843-- From nobody Wed Apr 18 15:38:50 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DCF8124D37 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2018 15:38:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P1T4wJqzLjpe for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2018 15:38:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BD8DB124234 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2018 15:38:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2018 15:38:46 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1524091126; bh=547lCKKw+weitY1jA/qp4EV4rabv+1ubeXTKIszYJbA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=wkjLr+2E33e6q3uvgfaAu/QuKp/3bXVAdbd8m0zPWKqaHFIUw4clozo71gSMmDr8i sHvoc+KbidxcZ2+DUvG08aMDhxa2mz4zY6frt3xOjxf7ZY87xmaH3iDVLdpEbA4X66 0DmpycXh0ZAEH74Bv5WonPHsBJZSTcsJbqZx+Q24= From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove term "application-owned streams" (#1303) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ad7c8f6a651b_639e3fc0d33c8f887109d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2018 22:38:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ad7c8f6a651b_639e3fc0d33c8f887109d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The intent of the change is that stream 0 is (right now) always exempt from calculation. I.e it is reserved and should not be included in the conversion from number of streams to stream ID. The conversion is non-intuitive to the unfamiliar reader. So, I think we agree in principle but disagree on phrasing. More broadly, if the term application-owned stream is not used anywhere else, I see little value in coining it here. It makes assumption that all non 0 streams are application owned. Why may be the a different topic of discussion, hence the tussle here. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1303#issuecomment-382551247 ----==_mimepart_5ad7c8f6a651b_639e3fc0d33c8f887109d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The intent of the change is that stream 0 is (right now) always exempt= from calculation. I.e it is reserved and should not be included in the c= onversion from number of streams to stream ID. The conversion is non-intu= itive to the unfamiliar reader. So, I think we agree in principle but dis= agree on phrasing.

More broadly, if the term application-owned stream is not used anywher= e else, I see little value in coining it here. It makes assumption that a= ll non 0 streams are application owned. Why may be the a different topic = of discussion, hence the tussle here.

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We are concerned that some implementations may try to perform optimizations based on the decrypted PN without first first decrypting the packet (for instance, an implementation may chose not to decrypt the packet if the decrypted SN has been acked, or above some threshold). Personally, I have no objection against forbidding the "use" of PN before decrypting the payload, considering the fact that decryption (when done in multi-core, with special CPU instructions) is much faster than the wire speed. As a side note, in "explicit nonce" approach being discussed in https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/wiki/Summary-of-the-PN-encryption-issues-and-alternatives it is impossible to use PN before decrypting the payload. @huitema > As for the AES-ECB proposal, the effect on hardware acceleration is probably even more drastic than the current design, since some bits would have to be decrypted twice. That could be true, though it is hard to estimate what could be done in the hardware that exist today and in the future. OTOH, the positive side of the AES-ECB approach compared to short block cipher alternatives is that it does not require rekey for every 2N packets, where _N_ is the number of bits used express the PN on wire. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1079#issuecomment-382594350 ----==_mimepart_5ad805eb95b33_7462ae8f8190f58204519 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Given that packet numbers in short packets are only a few bytes and get = encrypted without authentication, they are extremely vulnerable to malleabi= lity, and using a XOR mask encryption (such as CTR mode or ChaCha20 keystre= am) compounds the problem even further, because an adversary can selectivel= y flip the few bits of interests for him (the low weight ones) to find out = using side channels what position the reader is at in the stream (as discus= sed in the PR comments). We are concerned that some implementations may try= to perform optimizations based on the decrypted PN without first first dec= rypting the packet (for instance, an implementation may chose not to decryp= t the packet if the decrypted SN has been acked, or above some threshold).<= /p>

Personally, I have no objection against forbidding the "use" of PN befor= e decrypting the payload, considering the fact that decryption (when done i= n multi-core, with special CPU instructions) is much faster than the wire s= peed.

As a side note, in "explicit nonce" approach being discussed in https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/wiki/Summar= y-of-the-PN-encryption-issues-and-alternatives it is impossible to use = PN before decrypting the payload.

@huitema

As for the AES-ECB proposal, the effect on hardware acceleration is prob= ably even more drastic than the current design, since some bits would have = to be decrypted twice.

That could be true, though it is hard to estimate what could be done in = the hardware that exist today and in the future.

OTOH, the positive side of the AES-ECB approach compared to short block = cipher alternatives is that it does not require rekey for every 2N packets, where N is the number of bits used express the PN on w= ire.

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Move the stateless retry method of client source address validation out of TLS and into the QUIC layer.

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  • Move Retry to QUIC Layer

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> OTOH, the positive side of the AES-ECB approach compared to short
> block cipher alternatives is that it does not require rekey for every<= br> > 2^N packets, where /N/ is the number of bits used express the PN on wi= re.

Yes, AES-ECB on 4 PN bytes + 12 encrypted bytes is in practice as robust
as AES-CTR on 4 PN bytes with 16 encrypted bytes used as nonce. But it
is not more robust. The only advantage is non-malleability. And the
downside is that it is a bit harder to do in hardware.

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Without PN encryption, implementations have th= e option to discard packets without even decrypting them based on the PN. A= s @huitema observes, this can be somewhat useful to slightly mitigate bruta= l DoS attacks, such as spamming large random packets with randomized source= addresses, or if connection IDs are short enough to be brute forced. Askin= g implementations to always perform the large AEAD decryption of the packet= contents just to authenticate a PN that it knows cannot be valid is going = to be very unappealing and it's very likely that "smart" implementations ju= st won't bother with the check, considering that it only matters to maintai= n PN confidentiality which is very flimsy at best (the apparent order of pa= ckets essentially leaks most of this information anyway, so proving a forma= l statement about the security of PN encryption is going to be very though). Because of these concerns, we too have some doubts about the security/perfo= rmance trade-off of the current PN encryption proposal - it has a high perf= ormance cost but provides little useful security outside of the important m= ulti-path unlinkability scenario. We see two approaches for improving the t= rade-off: - either improve the efficiency and security of the PN encryption by extend= ing the AEAD construction to provide a 2-step (PN decryption + full packet = authentication) followed by optional packet content decryption, using the s= ame key for both operations - or, decide that the only scenario worth protecting is unlinkability acros= s different connection ID, and use a non-cryptographically secure obfuscati= on of PN within the same connection ID. We think it is possible to do much = better than the current gap system, by essentially deriving a random offset= for each connection ID from the current QUIC secret and using the offset t= o mask the packet header PN. I believe the WinQuic team plans to submit a p= roposal along these lines. --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1079#issuecomment-382679173= ----==_mimepart_5ad8681220615_1492ab102974f54605124 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

While I agree that @huitema's proposal o= f using ECB is an improvement in term of malleability, I don't agree with <= a class=3D"user-mention" data-hovercard-user-id=3D"41567" data-octo-click= =3D"hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions=3D"link_type:self" href=3D"h= ttps://github.com/kazuho">@kazuho's belief that a requirement not to do= any processing between decrypting the PN and decrypting the packet content= s will be followed. Without PN encryption, implementations have the option = to discard packets without even decrypting them based on the PN. As @huitema observes, this can be somewhat useful to = slightly mitigate brutal DoS attacks, such as spamming large random packets= with randomized source addresses, or if connection IDs are short enough to= be brute forced. Asking implementations to always perform the large AEAD d= ecryption of the packet contents just to authenticate a PN that it knows ca= nnot be valid is going to be very unappealing and it's very likely that "sm= art" implementations just won't bother with the check, considering that it = only matters to maintain PN confidentiality which is very flimsy at best (t= he apparent order of packets essentially leaks most of this information any= way, so proving a formal statement about the security of PN encryption is g= oing to be very though).

Because of these concerns, we too have some doubts about the security/pe= rformance trade-off of the current PN encryption proposal - it has a high p= erformance cost but provides little useful security outside of the importan= t multi-path unlinkability scenario. We see two approaches for improving th= e trade-off:

  • either improve the efficiency and security of the PN encryption by exte= nding the AEAD construction to provide a 2-step (PN decryption + full packe= t authentication) followed by optional packet content decryption, using the= same key for both operations
  • or, decide that the only scenario worth protecting is unlinkability acr= oss different connection ID, and use a non-cryptographically secure obfusca= tion of PN within the same connection ID. We think it is possible to do muc= h better than the current gap system, by essentially deriving a random offs= et for each connection ID from the current QUIC secret and using the offset= to mask the packet header PN. I believe the WinQuic team plans to submit a= proposal along these lines.

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= ----==_mimepart_5ad8681220615_1492ab102974f54605124-- From nobody Thu Apr 19 03:59:07 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F21C412711E for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2018 03:59:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5In4r28TmEvm for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2018 03:59:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 981191205D3 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2018 03:59:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2018 03:59:02 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1524135542; bh=mxArpFS3hQQK26B8KsmRtyH/Uupu2XFN0Q5LapMFvZk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=oJbkVuPY+ZPMwCUE6xnanQsuWv+kBg39m3uwXWbvHyOuyRuz9Lud9+yvItvcplHxA HzVleL85TWrDAGPZ6jDyXBOLwc+URcvzyYcgeSriiR5TOHipXgAFI2ZncCshXjA/2p WNjgv5cBwE7dCmet4KifgoNw3Cl1o+7XfIOryskg= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Packet number encryption (#1079) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ad876767aab9_7a5d2af6d08c6f581555cf"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2018 10:59:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ad876767aab9_7a5d2af6d08c6f581555cf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In my comments to PR 1079 I suggested adding a small 6 bit checksum to th= e packet number if adding a variable length field. One could also always add an 8 bit checksum. It is not a strong proof, bu= t it does provide fast DoS rejection without assuming anything about valid packet numbers before the packets AEAD tag has been verified. This could be included in any PN encryption scheme and the cost is a sing= le 32-bit multiplication. Kind Regards, Mikkel Fahn=C3=B8e J=C3=B8rgensen On 19 April 2018 at 11.57.37, Antoine Delignat-Lavaud ( notifications@github.com) wrote: While I agree that @huitema 's proposal of using ECB is an improvement in term of malleability, I don't agree with @kazuho 's belief that a requirement not to do= any processing between decrypting the PN and decrypting the packet conten= ts will be followed. Without PN encryption, implementations have the option = to discard packets without even decrypting them based on the PN. As @huitema= observes, this can be somewhat useful to slightly mitigate brutal DoS attacks, such as spamming large random packe= ts with randomized source addresses, or if connection IDs are short enough t= o be brute forced. Asking implementations to always perform the large AEAD decryption of the packet contents just to authenticate a PN that it knows= cannot be valid is going to be very unappealing and it's very likely that= "smart" implementations just won't bother with the check, considering tha= t it only matters to maintain PN confidentiality which is very flimsy at be= st (the apparent order of packets essentially leaks most of this information= anyway, so proving a formal statement about the security of PN encryption= is going to be very though). Because of these concerns, we too have some doubts about the security/performance trade-off of the current PN encryption proposal - it= has a high performance cost but provides little useful security outside o= f the important multi-path unlinkability scenario. We see two approaches fo= r improving the trade-off: - either improve the efficiency and security of the PN encryption by extending the AEAD construction to provide a 2-step (PN decryption + f= ull packet authentication) followed by optional packet content decryption,= using the same key for both operations - or, decide that the only scenario worth protecting is unlinkability across different connection ID, and use a non-cryptographically secure= obfuscation of PN within the same connection ID. We think it is possib= le to do much better than the current gap system, by essentially deriving a random offset for each connection ID from the current QUIC secret and = using the offset to mask the packet header PN. I believe the WinQuic team pl= ans to submit a proposal along these lines. =E2=80=94 You are receiving this because you were mentioned. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub ,= or mute the thread . -- = You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1079#issuecomment-382694338= ----==_mimepart_5ad876767aab9_7a5d2af6d08c6f581555cf Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In my comments to PR 1079 I suggested adding a small 6 bit checksum to th= e
packet number if adding a variable length field.
One could also always add an 8 bit checksum. It is not a strong proof, bu= t
it does provide fast DoS rejection without assuming anything about valid<= br> packet numbers before the packets AEAD tag has been verified.

This could be included in any PN encryption scheme and the cost is a sing= le
32-bit multiplication.

Kind Regards,
Mikkel Fahn=C3=B8e J=C3=B8rgensen


On 19 April 2018 at 11.57.37, Antoine Delignat-Lavaud (
notifications@github.com) wrote:

While I agree that @huitema <https://github.com/huitema>'s prop= osal of
using ECB is an improvement in term of malleability, I don't agree wi= th
@kazuho <https://github.com/kazuho>'s belief that a requirement= not to do
any processing between decrypting the PN and decrypting the packet conten= ts
will be followed. Without PN encryption, implementations have the option = to
discard packets without even decrypting them based on the PN. As @huitema=
<https://github.com/huitema> observes, this can be somewhat useful = to
slightly mitigate brutal DoS attacks, such as spamming large random packe= ts
with randomized source addresses, or if connection IDs are short enough t= o
be brute forced. Asking implementations to always perform the large AEAD<= br> decryption of the packet contents just to authenticate a PN that it knows=
cannot be valid is going to be very unappealing and it's very likely = that
"smart" implementations just won't bother with the check, c= onsidering that
it only matters to maintain PN confidentiality which is very flimsy at be= st
(the apparent order of packets essentially leaks most of this information=
anyway, so proving a formal statement about the security of PN encryption=
is going to be very though).

Because of these concerns, we too have some doubts about the
security/performance trade-off of the current PN encryption proposal - it=
has a high performance cost but provides little useful security outside o= f
the important multi-path unlinkability scenario. We see two approaches fo= r
improving the trade-off:

- either improve the efficiency and security of the PN encryption by extending the AEAD construction to provide a 2-step (PN decryption + f= ull
packet authentication) followed by optional packet content decryption,=
using the same key for both operations
- or, decide that the only scenario worth protecting is unlinkability<= br> across different connection ID, and use a non-cryptographically secure=
obfuscation of PN within the same connection ID. We think it is possib= le to
do much better than the current gap system, by essentially deriving a<= br> random offset for each connection ID from the current QUIC secret and = using
the offset to mask the packet header PN. I believe the WinQuic team pl= ans
to submit a proposal along these lines.

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Current draft says packet type of Stateless reset should be 0x1f
https://quicwg.github.io/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#rfc.section.6.9.4

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I agree, we're trying to say the same thing, that zero doesn't count for= purposes of this setting. But still, saying nothing about it except the e= xample doesn't fix the problem, because instead of being confused a reader = might reach the wrong conclusion and keep going.

Perhaps "maximum number of bidirectional streams the peer may initiate <= strong>in addition to stream 0..."?

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Several issues appear in the Datatracker nits list. See https://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits?url=https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-quic-transport-11.txt.

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----==_mimepart_5ad8f7915124f_1ef43fb780864f8011974e-- From nobody Thu Apr 19 14:29:14 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F078F126DEE for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2018 14:29:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QF6yHmg5o_mx for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2018 14:29:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3A9112420B for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2018 14:29:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=JQJhI+rqCUaUrp2XnkRHahbgqwo=; b=dil3sit8HECAZnkC o9ZYKuxCmDo3sn3QAoO93jRPxnMDE/d36zcPzxalCn7dYRl36sZTi4FwHtluCf8L C3SOpAjPKYLxviPQPNBxFyjax3ILGKICZ58p76AIsIaD7c8iCpmG2AYcvmFrww6J blSDMRNXviUtnL1V6SNH/ItqR5c= Received: by filter0010p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0010p1las1-6192-5AD90A24-13 2018-04-19 21:29:08.374839317 +0000 UTC Received: from github-lowworker-fc273f0.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.33]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id SjGFbgJrTaOJngbpNTopQA for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2018 21:29:08.093 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-fc273f0.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13EC2C1923 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2018 14:29:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2018 21:29:08 +0000 (UTC) From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Change Packet Number Gap to Packet Number Offset (#1307) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ad90a2412835_37972aee2c8d6f5411502f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-CSA-Complaints: whitelist-complaints@eco.de X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0O90KJqMK8Og1bn5lq6ZqEv1sFcv3WUQBkE9 dj3YozikHm8oK+GerFDpiBRcITBRghyJhbaLR7A8xrm28XtRETD27shxmDUr9lSVQQDe91Ef1OFzKf BKBq34BMCJ+G6NISxY+Yqn+Ftn6ue3pXgFSETdDn8ZS7FgAaj1xpPc/OJxI1VfInEtJ5bIMAaBdDJ/ U= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2018 21:29:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ad90a2412835_37972aee2c8d6f5411502f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a proposed solution to the privacy/linkability problem by slightly modifying the existing packet number gap solution to make it a per connection ID packet number offset. The offset is used to transform the wire encoding of the packet number, but the connection still uses the same monotonically increasing packet number space (no gaps). This solution requires very little per packet CPU overhead, compared to PNE. Unlike the PNE proposal (#1079), this doesn't fix the ossification/greasing problem as well. Instead, I'd like to treat that as a separate problem (and a separate PR) and attempt to solve that with a non-cryptographic solution (shuffle for instance). Closes: - #1174 - #1034 - #990 You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1307 -- Commit Summary -- * Packet Number Gap -> Offset -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (4) M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (56) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1307.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1307.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1307 ----==_mimepart_5ad90a2412835_37972aee2c8d6f5411502f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This is a proposed solution to the privacy/linkability problem by slightly modifying the existing packet number gap solution to make it a per connection ID packet number offset. The offset is used to transform the wire encoding of the packet number, but the connection still uses the same monotonically increasing packet number space (no gaps).

This solution requires very little per packet CPU overhead, compared to PNE.

Unlike the PNE proposal (#1079), this doesn't fix the ossification/greasing problem as well. Instead, I'd like to treat that as a separate problem (and a separate PR) and attempt to solve that with a non-cryptographic solution (shuffle for instance).

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fixes #1306. Most controversial: kramdown-rfc2629 generates a third section of References for URLs, but ID-Nits doesn't recognize them. RFC 7322 recommends angle brackets around URLs, so I've replaced Markdown links with escaped angle brackets. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1308 -- Commit Summary -- * Fix things that make ID-Nits hiccup -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (20) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1308.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1308.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1308 ----==_mimepart_5ad90baa93919_3f1b2b1b7a02cf541116ea Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Fixes #1306.

Most controversial: kramdown-rfc2629 generates a third section of References for URLs, but ID-Nits doesn't recognize them. RFC 7322 recommends angle brackets around URLs, so I've replaced Markdown links with escaped angle brackets.

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----==_mimepart_5ad90baa93919_3f1b2b1b7a02cf541116ea-- From nobody Thu Apr 19 16:45:09 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65485126D0C for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2018 16:45:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.605 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.605 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iafQeMsFORoU for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2018 16:45:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4869A126CE8 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2018 16:45:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2018 16:45:05 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1524181505; bh=22ocm7wG+d8ok/9rpdxj3XYpQjsIUXHo868QtRpNtgE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=RBcevIoHJCkqwUdLKwY34a1Jpizw8SYR+pFItd1IhcO//VsD6dmv2xYVV0BZHH3Gi NMOnA16MaBDZqGCUteTmeqd92rRoHjcp/8IvPYmyzLv4ZZjbZ2MEz9XC5Fx03zEhg8 OOzN4VlMNJXswXip2f1KeOybB04ln+GABJWVxDZQ= From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Change Packet Number Gap to Packet Number Offset (#1307) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ad92a012bef5_37352aec34adcf506349b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2018 23:45:08 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ad92a012bef5_37352aec34adcf506349b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit marten-seemann commented on this pull request. > @@ -832,6 +832,27 @@ Use of a secure random number generator {{?RFC4086}} is not necessary for generating the initial packet number, nor is it necessary that the value be uniformly distributed. +### New Connection ID Packet Numbers + +Packets with with new connection IDs have special rules for encoding the packet +number in the headers. They use an offset (see {{packet-number-offset}}) to +transform the packet number via the following: Why does this only apply to new connection IDs? Wouldn't it be easier to apply this transformation to every packet number? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1307#pullrequestreview-113813136 ----==_mimepart_5ad92a012bef5_37352aec34adcf506349b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -832,6 +832,27 @@ Use of a secure random number generator {{?RFC4086}} is not necessary for
 generating the initial packet number, nor is it necessary that the value be
 uniformly distributed.
 
+### New Connection ID Packet Numbers
+
+Packets with with new connection IDs have special rules for encoding the packet
+number in the headers.  They use an offset (see {{packet-number-offset}}) to
+transform the packet number via the following:

Why does this only apply to new connection IDs? Wouldn't it be easier to apply this transformation to every packet number?

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S 4.4.3 says

If the server expects to generate more than three Handshake packets in response to an Initial packet, it SHOULD include a PATH_CHALLENGE frame in each Handshake packet that it sends. After receiving at least one valid PATH_RESPONSE frame, the server can send its remaining Handshake packets. Servers can instead perform address validation using a Retry packet; this requires less state on the server, but could involve additional computational effort depending on implementation choices.

However, there are two other cases where the server might generate >3 packets outside of the handshake:

  • The application data protocol is a server speaks first protocol and it has a large banner it wants to send in 0.5 RTT
  • The client is doing 0-RTT

There are ways to fix this, but it's not clear to me that the protocol actually documents them.

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I think that's a terrible idea. It perpetuates the fallacy that offset= ting packet numbers provides privacy. We have established that it doesn't= in an important case, when there is overlap between two connections. The= matching pattern of holes and sequence number increment is more that suf= ficient to establish correlation in these cases.

We would be much better off just getting rid of the gaps altogether. T= hey force complex synchronization between sender and receiver, effectivel= y the same management cost as managing encryption keys, but they do not p= rovide nearly as much benefit as encryption.

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either improve the efficiency and security of the PN encryption by ext= ending the AEAD construction to provide a 2-step (PN decryption + full pa= cket authentication) followed by optional packet content decryption, usin= g the same key for both operations

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@huitema would adding the shuffle = (or some other non-cryptographic greasing) alleviate your concerns here? = Matching patterns between overlap would be more difficult then.

As for this design being a complex synchronization between sender and = receiver, I disagree with you. Each side needs only generate the offset o= nce, per connection ID and just store that offset. When sending, it's jus= t an additional add and modulo operation. The sender just needs to do an = add and subtraction operation.

Obviously adding whatever greasing algorithm will add additional compl= exity, but the CPU cost per packet should still be quite low, and easily = implemented in hardware.

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Fix the naming of initial maximum number of streams transport
parameters: these are not IDs, but rather counts.

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How didn't I spot this in #1303?

Minor point that I won't argue strongly on: given its a count could we put "count" in the parameter name?

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----==_mimepart_5ad9ed6567b80_5fef2ad175528f5c36022-- From nobody Fri Apr 20 06:47:09 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2883112751F for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 06:47:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mz_g2tuxyamw for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 06:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 78567127136 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 06:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 06:47:05 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1524232025; bh=0kSMiygAAL8CuIURJpblpmiNLuxktw21qjDpFwcqeXk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=yGqI6JVyfRiSOvvxefcoEV5u2v0DwoIgJ2+2Mh/93vRHqGDN46oRGVuKDpKJRrvED tEm/2/3bZP1osPxOCGbj+Sncf4aF44Ub9YgePjq7RkfV9eUIbrIFuUJdcb17V9Ynn2 qG2fLb/ZPqX76cBKtQXEJU6bb03plwvNm1wu0Ydw= From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] s/initial_max_stream_id_(uni|bidi)/initial_max_streams_$1/g (#1310) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ad9ef59a9d4c_5c733fa0666f0f7c182175"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 13:47:08 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ad9ef59a9d4c_5c733fa0666f0f7c182175 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We could put "count" in the name, but then it would have to be "stream count" (no "s"). I think, however, that "streams" (plural) carries the same meaning. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1310#issuecomment-383101195 ----==_mimepart_5ad9ef59a9d4c_5c733fa0666f0f7c182175 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

We could put "count" in the name, but then it would have to be "stream count" (no "s"). I think, however, that "streams" (plural) carries the same meaning.

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Agreed, its a hair splitting activity. ID is confusing currently, so perhaps a merge now and change later, if someone really has a problem.

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@nibanks this looks a bit like my segme= nted packet numbers proposal but not that this proposal has a fixed offset = per connection ID and that a connection ID is replaced before that offset i= s exhausted.

This avoids any linkage other than NAT rebinding.

#1105

You can further mutilate the clean packet number sequence with a reversi= ble permutation

http://= stackoverflow.com/a/12996028

   uint32_t x;

    x =3D ((uint32_t)(size_t)key) ^ (uint32_t)(MY_SEED);

    x =3D ((x >> 16) ^ x) * 0x45d9f3bUL;
    x =3D ((x >> 16) ^ x) * 0x45d9f3bUL;
    x =3D ((x >> 16) ^ x);
    return x;

And you can further encrypt that permuation using simple XOR magic - app= arently IPSec style.

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For my money, this is already long enough. My concern here is variable names in my code! :)

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----==_mimepart_5ad9f0bcbf42b_76962b11770c8f6076466-- From nobody Fri Apr 20 06:55:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5653E127136 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 06:55:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wvjfydQyw7vT for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 06:55:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 32D4B12751F for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 06:55:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 06:55:47 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1524232547; bh=BeztLfITtkapO6YJFJrDAPSFYv1A02MbNRVK55y0j+0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Y0/XRvzOC8g4g4acAj6njtlhQGiQKxiiIgAZpYEyDelkLRA1T3w7x2mLfqdld9vLY +jtAQXoILaSQEicjxeiBRhOQp6teYstC+ElqAsbuDkDY5pHOVW+lultv4gaCovsVlC k11YdJEHLWOyqs7ddOaD++kx0YpKpdyW1x2pE83w= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Change Packet Number Gap to Packet Number Offset (#1307) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ad9f1638e283_20343fd149710f84232412"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 13:55:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ad9f1638e283_20343fd149710f84232412 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just using a random seed might be sufficient to deter the average middle box and with CID update there is no privacy leak. The resulting PN can be used as AEAD IV since it is a permutation of a unique non-repeating sequence. After CID update the AEAD keys must change, but then it is about time anyway. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1307#issuecomment-383103858 ----==_mimepart_5ad9f1638e283_20343fd149710f84232412 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Just using a random seed might be sufficient to deter the average midd= le box and with CID update there is no privacy leak.
The resulting PN can be used as AEAD IV since it is a permutation of a un= ique non-repeating sequence. After CID update the AEAD keys must change, = but then it is about time anyway.

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The above cannot be used directly as IV because the permuation is no lon= ger a 1 to 1 mapping but a key guided mapping, so the encrypted PN will not= work as an IV. The same issue should not be the case with the initial seed= ed value.

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As long as we are discussing this, two more thoughts:

To be consistent, the pair should be either uni and bi or unidi and bidi. I think the former is a better c= hoice.

We could place uni and bi in front of "streams," res= ulting in initial_max_uni_streams and initial_max_bi_s= treams. This makes it easier to read.

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In the Transport Draft 11, the ACK Frame section (7.15) begins as follows:

   Receivers send ACK frames (type=0x0d) to inform senders which packets
   they have received and processed.  A sent packet that has never been
   acknowledged is missing.  The ACK frame contains any number of ACK
   blocks.  ACK blocks are ranges of acknowledged packets.

What is the purpose of the second sentence, both in the context of the ACK Frame section and outside thereof?

I think it should be removed. Or at least rephrased.

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----==_mimepart_5ada0404ad5a0_66223f92643e2f843379-- From nobody Fri Apr 20 08:25:05 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E789124F57 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 08:25:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.606 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.606 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hPUSvT10sSK4 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 08:25:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 18F01124B17 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 08:25:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=3oaKYNQD99Up99UW4taL69AqN4E=; b=vhJGGhoSd63obev2 RtbPrajQum1CWvuKgUiwNxc0IqjUHSSbjZIOlzH0YgT8S0lLL1bzLCeCTeAM7MIs XFAPs5R5//tyP5gvxksoOVjswPXm9XD6U5OWMrLagEaDEhojbDCDlBlAjgB4+F2s SbqdcS6rOMpkM3A20zey6fFOkDw= Received: by filter0466p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0466p1las1-26281-5ADA064B-F 2018-04-20 15:24:59.373960881 +0000 UTC Received: from github-lowworker-cbd19a4.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.35]) by ismtpd0008p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id pLptsus1T8eOq-QxyKAnkg for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 15:24:59.211 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-cbd19a4.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31B90580897 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 08:24:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 15:24:59 +0000 (UTC) From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Deemphasize TCP SACKs reference in ACK frame description (#1312) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ada064b2ffae_1c14a3fb67f31ef78775c2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-CSA-Complaints: whitelist-complaints@eco.de X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0y/jDddksgEMwlfApOsyQjroQpnP8nvC3RA3 pk5kjNrn+77jnNy7eLOKocieYetORjA4jLPJ3jRPb7kmyn+CptZNXR8EfeCJZA5M6l9h8wEU4TwH8r m7rezEvgyf8st3cQQArBCP+PW5evnWAt+H2jTPUoKRohFQnZJEFxVtNmqIkxCfw0P2iuIpKQK1kR/t c= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 15:25:03 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ada064b2ffae_1c14a3fb67f31ef78775c2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is odd to describe something by saying what is *not* like. In addition, not all readers of the document will be familiar with TCP SACKs. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1312 -- Commit Summary -- * Deemphasize TCP SACKs reference in ACK frame description -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (6) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1312.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1312.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1312 ----==_mimepart_5ada064b2ffae_1c14a3fb67f31ef78775c2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

It is odd to describe something by saying what is not like. In
addition, not all readers of the document will be familiar with
TCP SACKs.

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Something doesn't smell right about this change. Look at this language:<= /p>

initial_max_stream_id_bidi (0x0002):
... Setting this parameter is
equivalent to sending a MAX_STREAM_ID (Section 8.8) immediately

In other words, I would expect that I would be able to take the value fr= om this transport parameter and hand it to the same machinery that handles = MAX_STREAM_ID frames. If instead, this transport parameter tracks the n= umber of open streams, that's no longer true. Instead we'd need to tra= nsform this parameter into a stream id. While that's obviously doable, it s= eems like there is value in being consistent.

What do you think?

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Instead we'd need to transform this parameter into a stream id. While = that's obviously doable, it seems like there is value in being consistent= .

I believe this was initially the case but it made it possible to have = invalid arguments such as a uni stream id where a bidi was expected, and = also because setting less than one stream of a given type would have to b= e zero, which is then an invalid stream type for some of the streams.

=

Even so, I agree. It makes more sense to have a max stream id and then= close the connection on invalid stream id and make an excemption that a = value of 0 indicates no stream other than stream 0 regardless of stream t= ype.

The current dicussion shows that counts are highly confusing.

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After CID update the AEAD keys must change, but then it is about time an= yway.

Given how frequently CID rotation might occur (path validation, quiescen= ce, shifts in wind direction), I am dubious that it's wise to rotate 1-RTT = keys every time a new CID is used, which I believe is what you're saying he= re. This also falls prey to the same problem as #1174 -- if you switched keys because you use= d a new CID to probe, what key do you use back on the original path while y= ou wait for the probe to complete? Key rotation is supposed to be a ratche= t forward, and you can't have two key rotations going on at once in the cur= rent design, so you also can't take the answer of doing a second rotation o= n the original path.

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Another option is to rebase stream identifiers so the current stream 0 i= s stream 1 and stream 0 is always an invalid stream.

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One way to think about these parameters is that making the values Stream= IDs rather than simply counts would imply having to validate them, which c= lient and server having different validation logic. This also means additi= onal error codes and so on. The simpler transport parameters are, the bett= er.

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Fixes #1311

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Since Stream 0 has been identified as a problematic design, and there is work underway to think on a solution (iirc), I think maybe this and my PR #1303 should be parked.

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I think @marten-seemann is correct -- this solution only makes sense as a transform on every packet, not just as something to do on particular packets with a new CID. That's my key feedback on fixing the PR. On the proposal itself, however, I share @huitema's concerns that correlation of gaps between flows is still possible. A future PR for a shuffle can make that harder for an observer, but only so much (observing over the shuffle window, you can perform the same analysis). > @@ -832,6 +832,27 @@ Use of a secure random number generator {{?RFC4086}} is not necessary for generating the initial packet number, nor is it necessary that the value be uniformly distributed. +### New Connection ID Packet Numbers + +Packets with with new connection IDs have special rules for encoding the packet +number in the headers. They use an offset (see {{packet-number-offset}}) to +transform the packet number via the following: The gap in the actual packet number was introduced at the point you sent the first packet with a new CID. This proposal is a transformation of the actual packet number for wire presentation, so it needs to occur every time. > @@ -832,6 +832,27 @@ Use of a secure random number generator {{?RFC4086}} is not necessary for generating the initial packet number, nor is it necessary that the value be uniformly distributed. +### New Connection ID Packet Numbers + +Packets with with new connection IDs have special rules for encoding the packet +number in the headers. They use an offset (see {{packet-number-offset}}) to +transform the packet number via the following: + +~~~ +transformed_packet_number = (packet_number + offset) % 2^62 This might actually be okay, but the possibility that the transformed packet number might wrap around to zero before being truncated feels a little odd. > @@ -832,6 +832,27 @@ Use of a secure random number generator {{?RFC4086}} is not necessary for generating the initial packet number, nor is it necessary that the value be uniformly distributed. +### New Connection ID Packet Numbers + +Packets with with new connection IDs have special rules for encoding the packet +number in the headers. They use an offset (see {{packet-number-offset}}) to +transform the packet number via the following: + +~~~ +transformed_packet_number = (packet_number + offset) % 2^62 +~~~ + +Once transformed, the normal rules of packet number encoding are followed, only +encoding the least number of bits required. "only" and "the least" feels duplicative. Maybe just replace the part with the comma with a reference to the section where the truncation is defined? Better yet, since this is effectively a transform on every packet number, put this in the section about truncation (it becomes a description of how the 64-bit number is encoded on the wire) and make this section purely about determining what the offset will be. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1307#pullrequestreview-114065522 ----==_mimepart_5ada28067878a_78013fb188d04f841286dd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@MikeBishop requested changes on this pull request.

I think @marten-seemann is correct -- this solution only makes sense as a transform on every packet, not just as something to do on particular packets with a new CID. That's my key feedback on fixing the PR.

On the proposal itself, however, I share @huitema's concerns that correlation of gaps between flows is still possible. A future PR for a shuffle can make that harder for an observer, but only so much (observing over the shuffle window, you can perform the same analysis).

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -832,6 +832,27 @@ Use of a secure random number generator {{?RFC4086}} is not necessary for
 generating the initial packet number, nor is it necessary that the value be
 uniformly distributed.
 
+### New Connection ID Packet Numbers
+
+Packets with with new connection IDs have special rules for encoding the packet
+number in the headers.  They use an offset (see {{packet-number-offset}}) to
+transform the packet number via the following:

The gap in the actual packet number was introduced at the point you sent the first packet with a new CID. This proposal is a transformation of the actual packet number for wire presentation, so it needs to occur every time.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -832,6 +832,27 @@ Use of a secure random number generator {{?RFC4086}} is not necessary for
 generating the initial packet number, nor is it necessary that the value be
 uniformly distributed.
 
+### New Connection ID Packet Numbers
+
+Packets with with new connection IDs have special rules for encoding the packet
+number in the headers.  They use an offset (see {{packet-number-offset}}) to
+transform the packet number via the following:
+
+~~~
+transformed_packet_number = (packet_number + offset) % 2^62

This might actually be okay, but the possibility that the transformed packet number might wrap around to zero before being truncated feels a little odd.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -832,6 +832,27 @@ Use of a secure random number generator {{?RFC4086}} is not necessary for
 generating the initial packet number, nor is it necessary that the value be
 uniformly distributed.
 
+### New Connection ID Packet Numbers
+
+Packets with with new connection IDs have special rules for encoding the packet
+number in the headers.  They use an offset (see {{packet-number-offset}}) to
+transform the packet number via the following:
+
+~~~
+transformed_packet_number = (packet_number + offset) % 2^62
+~~~
+
+Once transformed, the normal rules of packet number encoding are followed, only
+encoding the least number of bits required.

"only" and "the least" feels duplicative. Maybe just replace the part with the comma with a reference to the section where the truncation is defined?

Better yet, since this is effectively a transform on every packet number, put this in the section about truncation (it becomes a description of how the 64-bit number is encoded on the wire) and make this section purely about determining what the offset will be.

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if you switched keys because you used a new CID to probe, what key do = you use back on the original path while you wait for the probe to complet= e?

I forgot about my own proposal: No, rekeying is not needed for each ne= w CID. The segmented packet number idea means that each CID is given an i= nternal incremental high bit value. So the IV is the CID counter + the vi= sible PN, permutated or not. Hence the AEAD can last much longer than CID= 's

However, for the sake of privacy, you need to do a a high bit incremen= t for each CID, but that is also very cheap.

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This design falls in the category of "obfuscation", analyzed in https://github.com= /quicwg/base-drafts/wiki/Summary-of-the-PN-encryption-issues-and-alternat= ives#alternative-pn-encryption. It does not provide privacy, and also= does not protect against ossification. You would be better off leaving t= he PN in clear text.

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@RyanAtGoogle, the original text carried the same value as the frame, which required checking the type and failing on inappropriate values. This is equivalent to receiving a frame -- it doesn't say a frame with the same value, after all.

(Though I wouldn't be averse to making the frame follow the same pattern, with stream type specified in the type byte and the payload being a count, that makes more sense in a world where the Stream ID spaces are separated rather than interleaved. That ship has sailed, alas.)

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1213,7 +1213,7 @@ initial_max_streams_bidi (0x0002):
   equivalent to receiving a MAX_STREAM_ID containing 20 when received by a
   client or 17 when received by a server.
 
-initial_max_stream_id_uni (0x0008):
+initial_max_streams_uni (0x0008):
 
 : The initial maximum unidirectional streams parameter contains the initial

If the expansion is "initial maximum unidirectional streams", perhaps this should be "initial_max_uni_streams" instead, and likewise for bidi?

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@MikeBishop Right. So the original t= ext (before this PR) says that the transport param and the frame have the s= ame semantics (and processing requirements). This seems great to me! :)

But this PR change the transport param to be different from the frame. T= hat seems not great.

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For example, a value of 0x05 would be equivalent to receiving a MAX_STRE= AM_ID containing 20 when received by a client or 17 when received by a serv= er.

I'm not sure I understand why those need to be encoded differently in tr= ansport params and in the frame?

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit See #1023/#1065. The very quick recap is that if you send the value in the frame, you have two key issues: - Since the param is typed, you then have to validate that the supplied stream ID is actually of the appropriate type. - Since 0 is a bidirectional stream, it's an invalid value for the other instances, yet it's the default. By changing them to counts, there are no invalid values, which means fewer ways you can send the wrong thing or blow up inappropriately. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1310#issuecomment-383241478 ----==_mimepart_5ada6dff46561_4b782aec75444f58175427 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

See #1023/#1065. The= very quick recap is that if you send the value in the frame, you have tw= o key issues:

  • Since the param is typed, you then have to validate that the supplied= stream ID is actually of the appropriate type.
  • Since 0 is a bidirectional stream, it's an invalid value for the othe= r instances, yet it's the default.

By changing them to counts, there are no invalid values, which means f= ewer ways you can send the wrong thing or blow up inappropriately.

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Adds a section more clearly (I hope!) explaining how indices work in d= ifferent contexts. Cleans up a whole mess of index-related issues in the= process.

Fixes #1176, #1145, #1136, #1130, #1128, #1125.

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Am I misunderstanding?

Yes, you are. The current (11th) version of the draft describes the par= ameter as the count of streams, even though the name of the parameter impli= es otherwise:

   initial_max_stream_id_uni (0x0008):  The initial maximum
      unidirectional streams parameter contains the initial maximum
      number of application-owned unidirectional streams the peer may
      initiate, encoded as an unsigned 16-bit integer

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@kazuho commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +An addition to the header table where the header field name matches the header
+field name of an entry stored in the static table or the dynamic table starts
+with the '1' one-bit pattern.  The `S` bit indicates whether the reference is to
+the static (S=1) or dynamic (S=0) table. The header field name is represented
+using the index of that entry, which is represented as an integer with a 6-bit
+prefix (see Section 5.1 of [RFC7541]). Table indices are always non-zero; a zero
+index MUST be treated as a decoding error.
+
+The header name reference is followed by the header field value represented as a
+string literal (see Section 5.2 of [RFC7541]).
+
+~~~~~~~~~~ drawing
+     0   1   2   3   4   5   6   7
+   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
+   | 1 | S |    Name Index (6+)    |
+   +---+---+-----------------------+

May I ask why we need to define the index as a tuple of S bit and an 6+ index, rather than just a 7+ index?

I am not sure why doing (octet & 0x40) != 0 is better than index > 62, and IIUC splitting the index into two by S reduces the number of dynamic table indexes that can be crammed into a single octet from 65 to 62.

Other than that, I think that this is a fantastic PR.

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@kazuho As far as I can tell any PN s= cheme where you try to use the encrypted PN as IV cannot be both secret a= nd short because it must be a permutation and a secure encryption would r= equire repeating values based on a longer key. Anything shorter can be tr= ivially brute forced. The question is if that bruteforce is sufficient si= nce middleware won't have time to do it online.

As to the PN verification I believe you either have to check the entir= e AEAD packet, or add a short checksum. I suggest a short checksum becaus= e it can reject DoS attacks quickly and without access to the full traffi= c key.

In any case, privacy is not contained in any short AEAD independent sc= heme as it is too easy to crack, at least if you want encrypted PN as IV.= Therefore the separate discussion of privacy without encryption / shuffl= e.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +An addition to the header table where the header field name matches the header
+field name of an entry stored in the static table or the dynamic table starts
+with the '1' one-bit pattern.  The `S` bit indicates whether the reference is to
+the static (S=1) or dynamic (S=0) table. The header field name is represented
+using the index of that entry, which is represented as an integer with a 6-bit
+prefix (see Section 5.1 of [RFC7541]). Table indices are always non-zero; a zero
+index MUST be treated as a decoding error.
+
+The header name reference is followed by the header field value represented as a
+string literal (see Section 5.2 of [RFC7541]).
+
+~~~~~~~~~~ drawing
+     0   1   2   3   4   5   6   7
+   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
+   | 1 | S |    Name Index (6+)    |
+   +---+---+-----------------------+

IIRC, the idea is to be able to grow the static table -- or even to switch it for an alternative. For example, a static table ID could be sent as transport parameters.

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We changed the short header packet types a while ago.

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  • fix stateless reset short header packet type

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1213,7 +1213,7 @@ initial_max_streams_bidi (0x0002):
   equivalent to receiving a MAX_STREAM_ID containing 20 when received by a
   client or 17 when received by a server.
 
-initial_max_stream_id_uni (0x0008):
+initial_max_streams_uni (0x0008):
 
 : The initial maximum unidirectional streams parameter contains the initial

I agree. That sounds better.

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The randomized Destination Connection ID is contained in Retry as well as in Handshake packets sent by the server. Or am I missing something obvious here?

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As to the PN verification I believe you either have to check the entir= e AEAD packet, or add a short checksum.

Yeah. As far as I understand, any PNE scheme without accompanying chec= ksum is fragile to side-channel attacks, because the probability of the r= eceiver dropping the packet without decrypting the payload is proportiona= l to the value of the decrypted PN field. An attacker that has access to = side-channel information can use that information to guess the value of t= he PN field.

8-bit PN is fragile, because it is trivial to brute-force, regardless = of the PNE scheme being used.

For 16-bit PN, an attacker can determine when the PN overflows by peri= odically injecting random packets and observing when the probability of e= arly drops switches from almost 1 to almost 0.

For 32-bit (and longer) PN, it's becomes harder to use overflow as an = attack vector. However, it would still be possible to use the probability= of early drops to roughly estimate the PN.

I suggest a short checksum because it can reject DoS attacks quickly a= nd without access to the full traffic key.

The requirement for such a checksum would be that the checksum becomes= available to the receiver at the same time the PN is decrypted. For bloc= k ciphers it is trivial to meet such a requirement. You can say that the = PN field to be encrypted is constructed as a series of zero octets and th= e PN. The receiver will decrypt the encrypted PN field, and the checksum = (i.e. will always be a series of zero octets) becomes available at the sa= me moment the PN is decrypted. I am not sure if such a construct is avail= able for a stream cipher.

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(#1317) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5add48afbe78b_bfa3f8ac0646f8893109b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2018 02:45:07 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5add48afbe78b_bfa3f8ac0646f8893109b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It seems to me that any PNE scheme without an accompanying checksum is fragile to side-channel attacks [\[1\]](https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1079#issuecomment-383438404), assuming that an receiver might drop a packet that contains a PN that it has already seen without decrypting the payload [\[2\]](https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1079#issuecomment-382459179). However I am not sure if we want to accept the overhead of including the checksum of PN in every packet. Leak of PN is a privacy issue because we share a single PN space among multiple CIDs. Considering that, it might be a good idea to consider if we can have different PN space for each CID. As an example, I think that the making following changes to the drafts would be sufficient to have per-CID PN space. * maximum value of the Sequence field in the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame (hereafter referred to as _CID sequence number_) will be set to UINT32_MAX. Note that CID sequence number is never reused. * CID sequence number of the first CID will be changed from -1 to 0 * every ACK frame will have a CID sequence number field. The field carries the sequence number of the CID to which the acked packets belong * AEAD nonce will be the concatenation of the CID sequence number and the per-CID packet number, which will be 94-bits long. Per RFC 5116, we can reasonably assume that every AEAD scheme will be capable of handing a nonce of that size. The pros of the approach are: * PN leak is no longer a privacy concern. It becomes purely an ossification issue that can be resolved separately. * RTT can be measured separately for each CID The primary concern will be that the implementations will be required to record PNs and send ACKs for each CID rather than for the entire connection. If that is a deal-blocker, we can consider retaining the current ACK format by changing the proposed approach so that the concatenation of CID sequence number and the per-CID PN would fit into 62-bits (e.g., 16-bit CID sequence number and 46-bit PN). On the sender side, we can continue living with just one loss recovery / congestion control device per connection. This is because in QUIC v1 a sender never sends retransmittable frames through under multiple CIDs at the same time. 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It seems to me that any PNE scheme without an accompanying checksum is fragile to side-channel attacks [1], assuming that an receiver might drop a packet that contains a PN that it has already seen without decrypting the payload [2]. However I am not sure if we want to accept the overhead of including the checksum of PN in every packet.

Leak of PN is a privacy issue because we share a single PN space among multiple CIDs.

Considering that, it might be a good idea to consider if we can have different PN space for each CID.

As an example, I think that the making following changes to the drafts would be sufficient to have per-CID PN space.

  • maximum value of the Sequence field in the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame (hereafter referred to as CID sequence number) will be set to UINT32_MAX. Note that CID sequence number is never reused.
  • CID sequence number of the first CID will be changed from -1 to 0
  • every ACK frame will have a CID sequence number field. The field carries the sequence number of the CID to which the acked packets belong
  • AEAD nonce will be the concatenation of the CID sequence number and the per-CID packet number, which will be 94-bits long. Per RFC 5116, we can reasonably assume that every AEAD scheme will be capable of handing a nonce of that size.

The pros of the approach are:

  • PN leak is no longer a privacy concern. It becomes purely an ossification issue that can be resolved separately.
  • RTT can be measured separately for each CID

The primary concern will be that the implementations will be required to record PNs and send ACKs for each CID rather than for the entire connection. If that is a deal-blocker, we can consider retaining the current ACK format by changing the proposed approach so that the concatenation of CID sequence number and the per-CID PN would fit into 62-bits (e.g., 16-bit CID sequence number and 46-bit PN).

On the sender side, we can continue living with just one loss recovery / congestion control device per connection. This is because in QUIC v1 a sender never sends retransmittable frames through under multiple CIDs at the same time.

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[2] #1079 (comment)

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I'm not sure what you mean by stream cipher on the PN contect? You canno= t have the next PN depend on the previous due to packet loss.

As to a possible checksum - see my earlier comment in this PR - essentia= lly any reasonable multiplication + shift could do:
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This is largely the same as my proposal here:
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You cannot have the next PN depend on the previous due to packet loss. Because PN leak is a privacy concern, you need to guarantee that PN checksum is secure in cryptographical sense. Using several octets of a block cipher for the purpose (as explained in https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1079#issuecomment-383438404) is secure in sense that the probability of collision depends on the block cipher. The downside of using a block cipher is that so far none of the proposal using block ciphers provide crypto-agility. The only proposal that has agility is the one proposed in this PR. However, it relies on a stream cipher (i.e. AES-CTR or Chacha20). The issue with stream ciphers is that it is extremely fragile to side-channel attacks as @ad-l has pointed out. I can think of several ways to shuffle the bits in a secure and somewhat efficient way (e.g. determine the bit order using the output of the stream cipher and use bmi2 instruction for shuffling), but I do not think that it would be easy enough for us to define as a standard. > As to a possible checksum - see my earlier comment in this PR - essentially any reasonable multiplication + shift could do: > https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1079#issuecomment-379919079 As stated above, the checksum needs to be cryptographically secure, assuming that we want to prevent side channel attacks. I do not think the proposal meets that goal. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1079#issuecomment-383488261 ----==_mimepart_5add92a471361_380f3fc6b4998f80846f9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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I'm not sure what you mean by stream cipher in the PN context? You canno= t have the next PN depend on the previous due to packet loss.

Because PN leak is a privacy concern, you need to guarantee that PN chec= ksum is secure in cryptographical sense. Using several octets of a block ci= pher for the purpose (as explained in #1079 (comment)) is secure in sense= that the probability of collision depends on the block cipher.

The downside of using a block cipher is that so far none of the proposal= using block ciphers provide crypto-agility. The only proposal that has agi= lity is the one proposed in this PR. However, it relies on a stream cipher = (i.e. AES-CTR or Chacha20).

The issue with stream ciphers is that it is extremely fragile to side-ch= annel attacks as @ad-l has pointed out. I can = think of several ways to shuffle the bits in a secure and somewhat efficien= t way (e.g. determine the bit order using the output of the stream cipher a= nd use bmi2 instruction for shuffling), but I do not think that it would be= easy enough for us to define as a standard.

As to a possible checksum - see my earlier comment in this PR - essentia= lly any reasonable multiplication + shift could do:
#1= 079 (comment)

As stated above, the checksum needs to be cryptographically secure, assu= ming that we want to prevent side channel attacks. I do not think the propo= sal meets that goal.

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@mikkelfj Thank you for the link. I ha= d missed that.

It would depend on each person's view, but I hope that this issue will b= e considered as discussing about a specific issue (i.e. none of the propose= d PNE schemes being resistant to side-channel attacks without additional ov= erhead for checksum), along with one way of fixing the issue.

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As stated above, the checksum needs to be cryptographically secure, as= suming that we want to prevent side channel attacks. I do not think the p= roposal meets that goal.

I don't think it needs to be that strong, but PN's then need to be seg= regated per path. But otherwise yes, I share those concerns, I also menti= oned similar concerns in my comment. However, side channel attacks are ne= ar impossible to avoid to some degree when you need to have DoS protectio= n.

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The draft says

Every QUIC packet that is coalesced into a single UDP datagram is separate and complete.

and later

The receiver of coalesced QUIC packets MUST individually process each QUIC packet and separately acknowledge them, as if they were received as the payload of different UDP datagrams.

What is a receiver supposed to do, if it for example receives a 0-RTT with a payload length of 500 bytes, and then some garbage added to the packet.
The second sentence implies to treat these as two separate packets: 1. a 0-RTT packet (which would be processed) and 2. garbage (which would be dropped). However, this seems to contradict the first sentence.

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I don't see a contradiction: the first sentence says that multiple packets in a UDP datagram are separate as well.

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As long as the same cryptographic key can be used on different connect= ion IDs, it is a bad idea to segregate the packet number space for the sa= me reason packet gaps are a bad idea - it unnecessarily increases the ris= k of AEAD nonce re-use, which (as has been repeated countless times, and = illustrated in bad implementations) a catastrophic event that collapses c= onnection integrity.

For any given key, best practice is to use a counter to guarantee uniq= ue nonces.

The problem of making packet numbers unlinkble between connection ID c= an be easily solved while maintaining such a counter. This is done by bli= nding the PN sent on the network with a random offset derived from the cr= ypto secret and the connection identifier. This ensures that any two blin= ded PN are indistinguishable on the network but remain a simple counter f= or the endpoints. The same approach is used in TLS 1.3 to blind the ticke= t age.

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@MikeBishop is right - the proposal only makes sense if it applies to all packets, so the text about this being only for new connection IDs must be removed

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -832,6 +832,27 @@ Use of a secure random number generator {{?RFC4086}} is not necessary for
 generating the initial packet number, nor is it necessary that the value be
 uniformly distributed.
 
+### New Connection ID Packet Numbers
+
+Packets with with new connection IDs have special rules for encoding the packet
+number in the headers.  They use an offset (see {{packet-number-offset}}) to
+transform the packet number via the following:

I think that's a clear mistake, the transformation does apply to all packet numbers on the network

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So would it be valid to not add PADDING frames in the Initial packet, but just to append arbitrary bytes after the Initial, such that the UDP packet has the minimum required size?

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That's an interesting question! The text does seem to allow it.

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For communications with high failure rates it would make sense to treat packets entirely separately in the same UDP datagram so an error does not propagate to all packets.

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@kazuho Sorry, I misunderstood your definition of CID sequence number, your proposal is to include a unique counter tied to the connection ID to the AEAD nonce. This guarantees unique nonce and is indeed OK

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In addition to what @mikkelfj says, the = reason I prefer not having rules regulating how QUIC packets can be coalesc= ed is that having such rules might make the protocol more fragile to attack= s.

From #1262:

the rationale behind is to not give an on-path attacker the chance of te= rminating the handshake simply by appending several bytes to the packet (cu= rrently, we require an on-path attacker to do AES based on the handshake pr= otection key)

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Re: "On the sender side, we can continue living with just one loss recov= ery / congestion control device per connection. This is because in QUIC v1 = a sender never sends retransmittable frames through under multiple CIDs at = the same time."

PATH_CHALLENGE and PATH_RESPONSE frames generate acknowledgements, and a= re sent on the non-default path, so extra care has to be taken to not cause= the acknowledgement of these packets to cause packets on the current defau= lt path to be acknowledged.

Once you have per-CID PN spaces, a way to ack them in a single QUIC fram= e or packet, and separate loss recovery contexts for each, you've pretty mu= ch created multipath. Except for some text, I don't think there's much lef= t?

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PATH_CHALLENGE and PATH_RESPONSE frames generate acknowledgements, and= are sent on the non-default path, so extra care has to be taken to not c= ause the acknowledgement of these packets to cause packets on the current= default path to be lost.

Thank you for pointing that out. I had missed that.

OTOH, I think it is still true that the proposed approach does not int= roduce any additional complexity, considering the fact that such requirem= ent exists regardless of how PN for each path is numbered.

Once you have per-CID PN spaces, a way to ack them in a single QUIC fr= ame or packet, and separate loss recovery contexts for each, you've prett= y much created multipath. Except for some text, I don't think there's muc= h left?

Yeah. That is the interesting side-effect. But maybe we should not cal= l this a multipath because it's not in the scope of v1. Much like we do n= ot call QUIC something, something that Jana will kill you.

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The `S` bit indicates whether the reference is to +the static (S=1) or dynamic (S=0) table. The header field name is represented +using the index of that entry, which is represented as an integer with a 6-bit +prefix (see Section 5.1 of [RFC7541]). Table indices are always non-zero; a zero +index MUST be treated as a decoding error. + +The header name reference is followed by the header field value represented as a +string literal (see Section 5.2 of [RFC7541]). + +~~~~~~~~~~ drawing + 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 + +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ + | 1 | S | Name Index (6+) | + +---+---+-----------------------+ Basically. #904 tracks improvements to the static table, which could be as simple as defining a new one (probably based on some httparchive data discussed on that issue) or as complex as a negotiation scheme to permit selecting one on each connection. By moving to the bit, we insulate the dynamic table performance from the possibility that the future static table will be larger. It also permits us to simplify processing by removing sentinel values (index zero is special). For the moment, it also allows us to drop the static bit in the Duplicate instruction, but #1314 improves on that further, so I wouldn't count that a large benefit unless we don't take that PR. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1141#discussion_r183449271 ----==_mimepart_5ade037e9a102_7b142b25ce728f5c1429f6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +An addition to the header table where the header field name matches the header
+field name of an entry stored in the static table or the dynamic table starts
+with the '1' one-bit pattern.  The `S` bit indicates whether the reference is to
+the static (S=1) or dynamic (S=0) table. The header field name is represented
+using the index of that entry, which is represented as an integer with a 6-bit
+prefix (see Section 5.1 of [RFC7541]). Table indices are always non-zero; a zero
+index MUST be treated as a decoding error.
+
+The header name reference is followed by the header field value represented as a
+string literal (see Section 5.2 of [RFC7541]).
+
+~~~~~~~~~~ drawing
+     0   1   2   3   4   5   6   7
+   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
+   | 1 | S |    Name Index (6+)    |
+   +---+---+-----------------------+

Basically. #904 tracks improvements to the static table, which could be as simple as defining a new one (probably based on some httparchive data discussed on that issue) or as complex as a negotiation scheme to permit selecting one on each connection. By moving to the bit, we insulate the dynamic table performance from the possibility that the future static table will be larger.

It also permits us to simplify processing by removing sentinel values (index zero is special). For the moment, it also allows us to drop the static bit in the Duplicate instruction, but #1314 improves on that further, so I wouldn't count that a large benefit unless we don't take that PR.

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Those packets from the server contain the CID that the server wants the = client to start using. See the next couple paragraphs of that section and = 4.7. The server can always choose the client's randomly selected one if it= just needs to disambiguate, but the server never blindly echos the client'= s randomly-selected ID.

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That being said, I find the way it's currently stated a bit confusing. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1316#issuecomment-383643342 ----==_mimepart_5ade0da86d996_16882ad14160af5820114d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Good point Mike. That being said, I find the way it's currently stated a bit confusing.

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It'd be nice to have these consistent between the transport param and the MAX_STREAM_ID frame. I'm fine with either approach, but I don't see a good argument for the current inconsistency.

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Changes the header block prefix and removes the BLOCKING flag 2. Re-uses table modification code points on request streams for "above base" indexing 3. 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I agree but would changing MAX_FRAME_ID put us back onto the position we started in, with Max concurrent streams?

Rolling back the TPs reopen s their old problems too.

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We'd need to create two frames, ie: MAX_BIDI_STREAMS and MAX_UNI_STREAMS, but that seems ok.

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----==_mimepart_5ade2c40b7a97_6e043fc2f884cf887310a8-- From nobody Mon Apr 23 12:00:05 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C19E712D890 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2018 12:00:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ydH4ELRMacpI for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2018 12:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA048126C0F for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2018 12:00:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2018 12:00:01 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1524510001; bh=RcSAxbCB/9LRCxjr+HNo18lrkgoeoFOSXQfM4abqAJ0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=LyKK6j/fIQ8ZU4cRIVgNCi3VSqAr1FH6KDLw7mFsBZeYjViRQTzdPmBhoGJO2RMuh Sd149TfvwNW7RfTUGEzWJDJzD795VcSmdSu3qLDzfoIAEegFemnFz0is5IGGp8qZZ6 XbSacB1tUJOHh0PM4g3F7Z5cFe8DQKDb6p+5HOc0= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] s/initial_max_stream_id_(uni|bidi)/initial_max_streams_$1/g (#1310) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ade2d311a456_65eb3fe55422cf8059590"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2018 19:00:04 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ade2d311a456_65eb3fe55422cf8059590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @LPardue > with Max concurrent streams? this might cause some race conditions - max is fine, but the id space could be separated via tagged frame types - I always wanted that, -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1310#issuecomment-383685710 ----==_mimepart_5ade2d311a456_65eb3fe55422cf8059590 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@LPardue > with Max concurrent streams?

this might cause some race conditions - max is fine, but the id space could be separated via tagged frame types - I always wanted that,

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----==_mimepart_5ade2d311a456_65eb3fe55422cf8059590-- From nobody Mon Apr 23 12:03:02 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA79C12D93F for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2018 12:03:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7bQs2KZJyfH1 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2018 12:02:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0235F12D810 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2018 12:02:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2018 12:02:58 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1524510178; bh=pU0KoYY62uJ9X/13GfjTKQp0stxMnCo7E41/sPyLhtQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=AipvsbDdWUsHypOytUAZD0vwi8rFSuonHREZsPd4QY70VRcos3t8dgToq4JFXo0WC mY1qdKdJrIpI7QLcr8j05afnmkS4GATuj6++NSyT7BwnztpVh2SyKDmtXDWdRPP7R0 Sf4gr8mV9l+v/CNDrDD78NtZ++Jn0Li8iyPR1/XU= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] s/initial_max_stream_id_(uni|bidi)/initial_max_streams_$1/g (#1310) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ade2de2f08d_10832adbc2d72f587016"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2018 19:03:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ade2de2f08d_10832adbc2d72f587016 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I realize once you head down the path of splitting the MAX_STREAM_ID frame, it seems natural to split a bunch of other frames(ie: flow control and STREAM frame), which starts becoming tedious, and not very interesting work, so it's probably an unwise direction. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1310#issuecomment-383686568 ----==_mimepart_5ade2de2f08d_10832adbc2d72f587016 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I realize once you head down the path of splitting the MAX_STREAM_ID f= rame, it seems natural to split a bunch of other frames(ie: flow control = and STREAM frame), which starts becoming tedious, and not very interestin= g work, so it's probably an unwise direction.

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@ianswett the point I was trying to ma= ke was that the MAX_STREAM_ID was quite an elegant solution to the concurre= ncy problem and moving back to the "old" way loses some of that (see https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-02#= section-10.3).

Given that the TPs are "initial stream count", would the proposed MAX_BI= DI_STREAMS/MAX_UNI_STREAMS be a relative count, or an absolute count?

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Putting this on hold until #1310 is resolved. I'll rebase on the outcome.

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Closes #1239, which it was rebased from. Builds on #1314. DO NOT MERGE until the PR has been retargeted to master.

Includes Alan's sample one-pass encoding algorithm with ability to encode without knowing largest-referenced entry. Integrates post-base references into #1314's discussion of indexing and #1141's instruction space.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1320

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  • QPACK single pass encoding
  • Collapse post-base instructions into existing sections

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----==_mimepart_5ade36eed2a1c_33f93fa6b013ef84828648-- From nobody Mon Apr 23 12:52:39 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D6DC12D810 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2018 12:52:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.606 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.606 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TqANliqHP9Ga for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2018 12:52:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D1D8F126B6E for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2018 12:52:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2018 12:52:33 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1524513153; bh=5LqyQDlnPvd/aqm/0VtRKxY2DBUnhSNDi4tzfM56wuY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=NoJgUgrhalOkIWfWDc1JAvMS/Y7tcLxlLFVRO53AbkreX9rMpPZR4uCCNqXQIRYgU Efax4KtTQaSr7/DOSi98QEymswOSnsEPGCjnRPSwuW6UoEKnRu566/XNzTdn38gW3B MZTYLqu20W8+yjT2MlqT6yQAqwKuBnb9NSkcqqDk= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] remove incorrect statement about the connection ID in server packet (#1316) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ade3981dd333_64f43fd22340ef7c148440"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2018 19:52:37 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ade3981dd333_64f43fd22340ef7c148440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perhaps the next paragraph needs a lead-in explaining why the SCID in the server's packet might be different than the DCID the client used. It currently describes the mechanics -- when the client should pick up a new value to use in future packets. It doesn't link that to a server's desire to select the CID to provide the context. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1316#issuecomment-383701154 ----==_mimepart_5ade3981dd333_64f43fd22340ef7c148440 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Perhaps the next paragraph needs a lead-in explaining why the SCID in = the server's packet might be different than the DCID the client used. It= currently describes the mechanics -- when the client should pick up a ne= w value to use in future packets. It doesn't link that to a server's des= ire to select the CID to provide the context.

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@ianswett, I don't know how tedious th= e code is, but I think the split basically looks like chopping the last two= bits off the Stream ID and embedding them in the frame type(s). You'd nee= d to do that for STREAM, MAX_STREAM_DATA, and MAX_STREAM_ID. Each stream t= ype has a continuously increasing stream ID space. And ironically, these T= Ps would then be the actual maximum stream ID.

That gets especially appealing if the crypto stream is no longer eating = the first item out of one space but instead is its own separate type that d= oesn't carry an ID.

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@kazuho : Thank you for writing up this iss= ue. This is exactly the alternative design I had thought of in London. As <= a class=3D"user-mention" data-hovercard-user-id=3D"20072817" data-octo-clic= k=3D"hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions=3D"link_type:self" href=3D"= https://github.com/ianswett">@ianswett notes, if we were to go here, I = suspect this bridges most of the gap from where we are to multipath. I agre= e that while it's not in scope for v1, if this (i) can be implemented simpl= y for the non-multipath case, and (ii) can be extended by implementations t= o experiment with multipath, then we're headed in the right direction.

Thinking about this some, I think this is plausible. The current approac= h of using PNE or whatever, as you note, has exactly the same requirements = as this mechanism does, in that a single loss recovery context with excepti= ons can handle both. If extended however, which we don't need to specify in= v1, then multipath is achievable.

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#1269 addresses this.
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@kazuho commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +An addition to the header table where the header field name matches the header
+field name of an entry stored in the static table or the dynamic table starts
+with the '1' one-bit pattern.  The `S` bit indicates whether the reference is to
+the static (S=1) or dynamic (S=0) table. The header field name is represented
+using the index of that entry, which is represented as an integer with a 6-bit
+prefix (see Section 5.1 of [RFC7541]). Table indices are always non-zero; a zero
+index MUST be treated as a decoding error.
+
+The header name reference is followed by the header field value represented as a
+string literal (see Section 5.2 of [RFC7541]).
+
+~~~~~~~~~~ drawing
+     0   1   2   3   4   5   6   7
+   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
+   | 1 | S |    Name Index (6+)    |
+   +---+---+-----------------------+

@dtikhonov @MikeBishop Thank you for the answers.

While I do not think that hard-coding the split the space into two using a single bit is ideal (ideally I think all static indexes should be given greater values (which are probably encoded longer) than the dynamic ones considering the fact that a static table is a pre-learnt dictionary), I can see that such encoding is hard to handle especially in case of QPACK.

I now agree that using a single bit is a nice compromise between simplicity, efficiency, extensibility.

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It occurs to me that you can always encrypt PN on long headers, and nego= tiate the transform for short headers. This ensures that a transform is neg= otiated for the performance-driving case, at the same time avoiding ossific= ation issues for early packets. But yes, there might be a new PN space for = the handhshake, which will make this easier to handle.

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Once we decide to either encrypt PN (#1079) or have per-CID PN (#1317), KEY_PHASE bit will be left as a tool for an observer to correlate CIDs in order to determine which of those CIDs belong to a particular QUIC connection.

Let's consider the case where a client, in an attempt to grease the bit, flips the KEY_PHASE bit for every 65,536 packets it sends. That would mean that it is effectively leaking the 17th bit (from LSB) of an unencrypted PN. The leak would be sufficient for an observer to determine which CIDs belonged to the same connection, for connections consisting of CIDs that carry more than 65,356 packets.

Another bad example is a client that greases the bit for some minor portion of the connections (e.g. 1%). Then, an observer will have a better chance of tracking that 1% of connection.

Considering these two attacks, I think that we should require implementations to flip the KEY_PHASE bit at randomly, and that we should flip either 50% or 100% of the connections that we handle.

The questions are:

  • do we need to document such requirements?
  • are there any other ways for an observer to use the bit?

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----==_mimepart_5adedc214b463_717d2aad60feaf501310ae-- From nobody Tue Apr 24 00:28:33 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB64A12DB6F for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 00:28:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.605 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.605 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4WAXMOpY21TY for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 00:28:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2240912751F for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 00:28:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 00:28:28 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1524554908; bh=8pLsf+azysWCgwixxDHLaYbhRhoR0cdOfHHaWPFdFJE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=G64Fk2sScPK6C5ha6ecAu2s4rs9zW6iRz5He0ebG4Njf2AHuBn9CDOYE4hvf3POZc AkqvtDUbMuvN1jIwWMOLq02v/1pUo9lFmaJ82QhgVbXtxGdR3OW+Zh205wLydS4f3J PftKDSTW50aN88nKUmRSTKaYgozv1OU7V1DwsUIo= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Preventing KEY_PHASE bit from being used as a tool to correlate CIDs (#1322) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5adedc9c2fe80_544e3fa8eb798f78128795"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 07:28:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5adedc9c2fe80_544e3fa8eb798f78128795 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The other way to address the issue is to remove the KEY_PHASE bit. For example, we can remove the bit and instead state that the key phase can be changed only when a new CID is used. When an endpoint receives a new CID, it trial decrypts the packet using the current generation key and the next generation key to see if the key phase has shifted. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1322#issuecomment-383831610 ----==_mimepart_5adedc9c2fe80_544e3fa8eb798f78128795 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The other way to address the issue is to remove the KEY_PHASE bit.

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For example, we can remove the bit and instead state that the key phas= e can be changed only when a new CID is used. When an endpoint receives a= new CID, it trial decrypts the packet using the current generation key a= nd the next generation key to see if the key phase has shifted.

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I'm a bit worried that this negotiation could lead to more overhead th= an finding one good solution, but it depends on whether a good solution i= s indeed found.

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  2. early packet reject on assumed invalid PN

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This is fine, but you should probably let @janaiyengar or myself review or merge this sort of change in future.

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@martinthomson requested changes on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2581,9 +2581,9 @@ received and processed.  A sent packet that has never been acknowledged is
 missing. The ACK frame contains any number of ACK blocks.  ACK blocks are
 ranges of acknowledged packets.
 
-Unlike TCP SACKs, QUIC acknowledgements are irrevocable.  Once a packet has
-been acknowledged, even if it does not appear in a future ACK frame,
-it remains acknowledged.
+QUIC acknowledgements are irrevocable:  Once a packet has been acknowledged,

Period, not colon.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2581,9 +2581,9 @@ received and processed.  A sent packet that has never been acknowledged is
 missing. The ACK frame contains any number of ACK blocks.  ACK blocks are
 ranges of acknowledged packets.
 
-Unlike TCP SACKs, QUIC acknowledgements are irrevocable.  Once a packet has
-been acknowledged, even if it does not appear in a future ACK frame,
-it remains acknowledged.
+QUIC acknowledgements are irrevocable:  Once a packet has been acknowledged,
+even if it does not appear in a future ACK frame, it remains acknowledged.
+(This is unlike TCP SACKs.)

Don't include an entire sentence in a parenthetical. It would be fine to remove the paretheses here.

Of course, now that you touched this, I notice that we don't have a TCP SACK reference here, and you can't just use an unexpanded acronym like this without both expansion and a reference.

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Here's a question: if -http depends on -qcram, I think that we need to define configuration parameters in -qcram and explain how the settings are used to set these parameters in -http. Right now the drafts are tightly coupled. > @@ -100,10 +100,13 @@ which might not yet have been processed by the recipient. Such references are called "vulnerable," because the loss of a different packet can keep the reference from being usable. -The encoder can choose on a per-header-block basis whether to favor higher +The decoder can signal that it is willing to process vulnerable references by I still don't like the term "vulnerable references" here. The point is that the decoder is willing to block on incomplete or in-progress header table updates or not. "Vulnerable" as a concept isn't helpful, especially here. > @@ -786,7 +786,10 @@ The following settings are defined in HTTP/QUIC: : An integer with a maximum value of 2^30 - 1. SETTINGS_MAX_HEADER_LIST_SIZE (0x6): - : An integer with a maximum value of 2^30 - 1 + : An integer with a maximum value of 2^30 - 1. + + SETTINGS_BLOCKING_HEADER_REFERENCES (0x7): + : An integer with a maximum value of 2^16 - 1. These need defaults. > @@ -115,6 +118,9 @@ state which the peer might not have received yet, the BLOCKING flag MUST be set. If the peer does not yet have the appropriate state, such blocks might not be processed on arrival. +An encoder MUST NOT have more header blocks outstanding with the BLOCKING flag +set than the value of SETTINGS_BLOCKING_HEADER_REFERENCES at any time. So what does a decoder do if it has to block more times than it said it was willing to? You should also note that an encoder might violate this agreement but not be detected in doing so. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@martinthomson requested changes on this pull request.

Here's a question: if -http depends on -qcram, I think that we need to define configuration parameters in -qcram and explain how the settings are used to set these parameters in -http. Right now the drafts are tightly coupled.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -100,10 +100,13 @@ which might not yet have been processed by the recipient.  Such references
 are called "vulnerable," because the loss of a different packet can keep
 the reference from being usable.
 
-The encoder can choose on a per-header-block basis whether to favor higher
+The decoder can signal that it is willing to process vulnerable references by

I still don't like the term "vulnerable references" here. The point is that the decoder is willing to block on incomplete or in-progress header table updates or not. "Vulnerable" as a concept isn't helpful, especially here.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -786,7 +786,10 @@ The following settings are defined in HTTP/QUIC:
   : An integer with a maximum value of 2^30 - 1.
 
   SETTINGS_MAX_HEADER_LIST_SIZE (0x6):
-  : An integer with a maximum value of 2^30 - 1
+  : An integer with a maximum value of 2^30 - 1.
+
+  SETTINGS_BLOCKING_HEADER_REFERENCES (0x7):
+  : An integer with a maximum value of 2^16 - 1.

These need defaults.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -115,6 +118,9 @@ state which the peer might not have received yet, the BLOCKING flag MUST be
 set.  If the peer does not yet have the appropriate state, such blocks
 might not be processed on arrival.
 
+An encoder MUST NOT have more header blocks outstanding with the BLOCKING flag
+set than the value of SETTINGS_BLOCKING_HEADER_REFERENCES at any time.

So what does a decoder do if it has to block more times than it said it was willing to? You should also note that an encoder might violate this agreement but not be detected in doing so.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +    +---+-----+  -  +-----+   -   +
+              |  0  | ... | n-d-3 |  Relative Index
+              +-----+-----+-------+
+                 ^
+                 |
+             Base Index
+
+n = count of entries inserted
+d = count of entries dropped
+~~~~~
+{: title="Dynamic Table Indexing - Request Stream"}
+
+Entries with an absolute index greater than a frame's Base Index cannot be
+referenced by that frame.  If the decoder encounters a reference to an entry
+which has already been dropped from the table, this MUST be treated as a stream
+error of type `HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED` error code.  If this reference

this MUST be treated as a stream error of type HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED error code

seems a bit clunky

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On #1143, @martinthomson said:

if -http depends on -qcram, I think that we need to define configuration parameters in -qcram and explain how the settings are used to set these parameters in -http. Right now the drafts are tightly coupled.

He's probably correct, but there appear to be enough ripple effects that I'd prefer to handle this change separately.

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----==_mimepart_5adf65ad940b6_5bbb3f87465f2f783183a7-- From nobody Tue Apr 24 10:13:37 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EA5612E9DD for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 10:13:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.605 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.605 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2wlhTtU0-ydr for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 10:13:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F051B12D7F5 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 10:13:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=QMuyw2x82YEWqj47jPbD/gHBQus=; b=cTJF0KAJ1kY/Kg6i 6IcI6Pme+/pJXfSOOMltGy5YuG94q6qjmoWr1ssTrq1WM0d9LULfD32FniemfRDm z/bWlHeSfESzq5xCF8a6d2USD1zsIouj0lMA88LMQ88ize/wYblRpkFt035WTisf sguVn/XGo7WMi7akdL7EzzKId/c= Received: by filter0126p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0126p1las1-23881-5ADF65BD-16 2018-04-24 17:13:33.582095382 +0000 UTC Received: from smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) by ismtpd0005p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id aSuZdPtRSB2Entcdpr_Yfg for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 17:13:33.513 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 17:13:33 +0000 (UTC) From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QPACK Blocking Setting (#1143) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5adf65bd6a4e7_1e92b1412af6f5812168d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-CSA-Complaints: whitelist-complaints@eco.de X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1E2fHUi/onR/mZC1+3WznJMlu729tD4KX6lx plKNrA0/jzxOt2BkJa26P2SuDgIscW2t63Xr469dAdKDXmzdyp4i/Cepusj4WwYxKiXLaIbR9HcKMk ctLbSTzreuxGxceTMh97Jqx9N0MefAh5CckPD9LFNUbKDV3UDoj1MEIpie2MUvK4fuwlurig18N7I6 E= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 17:13:35 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5adf65bd6a4e7_1e92b1412af6f5812168d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perhaps the settings should be in QPACK instead. I was keeping it that way because that's what HTTP/2 did, but we're breaking with precedent other places we feel like we've learned better now, so... perhaps. However, that looks to have enough ripple effects on the HTTP doc that I'd prefer to do that in a separate PR. This is now #1323. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1143#issuecomment-384010271 ----==_mimepart_5adf65bd6a4e7_1e92b1412af6f5812168d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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#1314 incl= udes the stream error, but it has the drawbacks mentioned here. A better= option that fits within the current model might be this: Rather than th= e encoder counting all blocks as out-of-scope after it resets a stream, t= he decoder sends an acknowledgment either when it reads a header block fr= om a stream or when it discards all remaining data from a stream.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +    +---+-----+  -  +-----+   -   +
+              |  0  | ... | n-d-3 |  Relative Index
+              +-----+-----+-------+
+                 ^
+                 |
+             Base Index
+
+n = count of entries inserted
+d = count of entries dropped
+~~~~~
+{: title="Dynamic Table Indexing - Request Stream"}
+
+Entries with an absolute index greater than a frame's Base Index cannot be
+referenced by that frame.  If the decoder encounters a reference to an entry
+which has already been dropped from the table, this MUST be treated as a stream
+error of type `HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED` error code.  If this reference

Yeah, that's the discussion in #1176. It's clunky, but what's better? Otherwise, a delayed packet can cause your entire compression context to blow up. The other alternatives discussed require major changes to how the HTTP layer uses QUIC that I'm not comfortable with.

I did have one other idea, which is to add a second acknowledgment type to QPACK, and require it to be sent if a stream was aborted without reading to the end. Then the encoder has to consider even reset streams to still be outstanding until it receives something from the other side.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +    +---+-----+  -  +-----+   -   +
+              |  0  | ... | n-d-3 |  Relative Index
+              +-----+-----+-------+
+                 ^
+                 |
+             Base Index
+
+n = count of entries inserted
+d = count of entries dropped
+~~~~~
+{: title="Dynamic Table Indexing - Request Stream"}
+
+Entries with an absolute index greater than a frame's Base Index cannot be
+referenced by that frame.  If the decoder encounters a reference to an entry
+which has already been dropped from the table, this MUST be treated as a stream
+error of type `HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED` error code.  If this reference

Sorry, simpler issue, I just meant the language was clunky, "stream error of type X error code". Reducing to using type or error code would work I think

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----==_mimepart_5adf741457e6f_5ac42af1a24faf609241c-- From nobody Tue Apr 24 11:15:31 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4A4C12D7F8 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 11:15:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.605 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.605 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VvZi-itoq_Gj for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 11:15:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E6445126DD9 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 11:15:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 11:15:27 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1524593727; bh=stUguVhxtHlbVkYQ4NG4BF2U/HhHIGwkjwnZYnx1NE4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=vN02DyFoLneAXNesvQmaHc4a8t/qCXSFg0tXCwLj9aGwS6nGJ8x02aHtEIKh5MDOB R0YOp1AbhY9lHl5+Rx8unb/xsv66FkhKxrMNXwVOloX+fLN3xw9+c9oVpwTJERkKQZ izoPVF31YCzsmABN25j8fJRtSTLySCkCy/pAK6S8= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Move QPACK control instructions to dedicated streams (#1238) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5adf743f5465e_58252ac78c4b8f601610d3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 18:15:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5adf743f5465e_58252ac78c4b8f601610d3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MikeBishop commented on this pull request. Rebased onto the changes in master, but kept the changes from the original PR. > Table updates can add a table entry, possibly using existing entries to avoid transmitting redundant information. The name can be transmitted as a reference to an existing entry in the static or the dynamic table or as a string literal. For entries which already exist in the dynamic table, the full entry can also be used by reference, creating a duplicate entry. +Each set of encoder insructions is prefaced by its length, encoded as a variable +length integer with an 8-bit prefix. We should probably specify that these need to be complete instructions (i.e. no truncation), and require an error if one of the length-prefixed blocks ends mid-instruction. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1238#pullrequestreview-114904829 ----==_mimepart_5adf743f5465e_58252ac78c4b8f601610d3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Rebased onto the changes in master, but kept the changes from the original PR.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  
 Table updates can add a table entry, possibly using existing entries to avoid
 transmitting redundant information.  The name can be transmitted as a reference
 to an existing entry in the static or the dynamic table or as a string literal.
 For entries which already exist in the dynamic table, the full entry can also be
 used by reference, creating a duplicate entry.
 
+Each set of encoder insructions is prefaced by its length, encoded as a variable
+length integer with an 8-bit prefix.

We should probably specify that these need to be complete instructions (i.e. no truncation), and require an error if one of the length-prefixed blocks ends mid-instruction.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +    +---+-----+  -  +-----+   -   +
+              |  0  | ... | n-d-3 |  Relative Index
+              +-----+-----+-------+
+                 ^
+                 |
+             Base Index
+
+n = count of entries inserted
+d = count of entries dropped
+~~~~~
+{: title="Dynamic Table Indexing - Request Stream"}
+
+Entries with an absolute index greater than a frame's Base Index cannot be
+referenced by that frame.  If the decoder encounters a reference to an entry
+which has already been dropped from the table, this MUST be treated as a stream
+error of type `HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED` error code.  If this reference

Ah -- that's an easy fix!

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  • fix wording that said only long header packets could be coalesced

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Yep, the last thing in the datagram can be short.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -372,10 +372,10 @@ The interpretation of the fields and the payload are specific to a version and
 packet type.  Type-specific semantics for this version are described in the
 following sections.
 
-End of the Payload field (which is also the end of the long header packet) is
-determined by the value of the Payload Length field.  Senders can coalesce
-multiple long header packets into one UDP datagram.  See {{packet-coalesce}} for
-more details.
+End of the Payload field (which is also the end of the long header

Not your text, but you touched it: "The end"

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----==_mimepart_5adf968640f4b_6be82add8308ef541240cf-- From nobody Tue Apr 24 15:40:53 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 072B912DA69 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 15:40:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.463 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.463 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lUAFEYDXGuiG for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 15:40:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 61F5E12D9FF for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 15:40:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=UfQCbfrQXT2J/JXp89syGJ9YeA0=; b=GOm+OPX/C9JxXhWG J7g7cDOosHaGkEjzbgtwSpf+BGVlVuD3Hc/M1loBI8GW2KzssS+fLEJW/afTz+GZ zdX7Cxg85trykSbYo3nqEZIeIKcfA83Ba19CBLdybjGwoJopMTlk2UuIk8z14n3y NS8Kf1pDmTGK3FQiv2SKmH6u5AA= Received: by filter0627p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0627p1las1-8698-5ADFB271-14 2018-04-24 22:40:49.715590564 +0000 UTC Received: from github-lowworker8-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.42]) by ismtpd0006p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id H9qOup1OSs6siVUsrioTtQ for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 22:40:49.585 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker8-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 637C062302 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 15:40:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 22:40:49 +0000 (UTC) From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] remove incorrect statement about the connection ID in server packet (#1316) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5adfb27161da7_39343fdce97bef8412386b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-CSA-Complaints: whitelist-complaints@eco.de X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1tSC4m63B/MlUlQyoD8Tz/97aJSqKbKiQtC/ bizeSEWV645jMXoXizK7cXaGHQxegSiv1ZDPcnPfiARdPe+iJ+RKEqYNPnirHTF54W4siaERFhpgqY UF9vGjsXPZ6Bn1CkJeCq3QRpYZITEcz/0w6/71RacoCPDKLxEjb6dht4LYwKg88nKvciQLH4kA5wKM Q= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 22:40:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5adfb27161da7_39343fdce97bef8412386b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit janaiyengar approved this pull request. This seems fine -- that phrase is not incorrect, but is unnecessary and confusing where it is right now. I'm fine with removing it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1316#pullrequestreview-114990223 ----==_mimepart_5adfb27161da7_39343fdce97bef8412386b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@janaiyengar approved this pull request.

This seems fine -- that phrase is not incorrect, but is unnecessary and confusing where it is right now. I'm fine with removing it.

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@MikeBishop approved this pull request.

@janaiyengar has convinced me this is okay -- this section is talking about the Initial packet only, and the clause being removed is not relevant to the Initial packet. The discussion of CID changes is elsewhere.

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Merged #1316.

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From editors' meeting: This is basically an editorial change. We agreed = on changing the params to counts earlier (#1023/#1065), and folks would like to edit or add to that change substant= ively, let's do that on an issue first. This is in keeping with not discuss= ing substantive things on PRs. I'm taking in nits from @MikeBishop and merging this PR as an editorial one, please = open an issue for the rest of the discussion.

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This was renamed in one place in draft-11 (for bidi), but uni wasn't renamed. The change also missed numerous references in the document.

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Commit Summary

  • Fix initial_max_streams transport param

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----==_mimepart_5ae03c3f9006e_211b3fba6d6fcf7c187365-- From nobody Wed Apr 25 01:29:01 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2056E126BF3 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 01:28:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sm2B6TrXxYxA for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 01:28:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 693911271FD for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 01:28:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 01:28:47 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1524644927; bh=0d8x+fqklK3NaT6IiH0M767CZvk330p0ssmb4SJromU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=yTp8hdKfwWIuTL5xZ6CWA5fo0H0ZsxL2yNo/pmUHOFnN6cWG+ZmGkace4WTMmO07g Ni9EE0CFKvgaY5H7JXPvqX6e85G2T0WJrii1bRhz1oIhP0E6eytb3g1l2ToUHbaK4P IYUFC0v5DdvbfxLgHcWVveqt0q982H+BGG/dM5+Y= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Fix things that make ID-Nits hiccup (#1308) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ae03c3f93c90_803f3fb1aed3af782730b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 08:28:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ae03c3f93c90_803f3fb1aed3af782730b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merged #1308. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1308#event-1593450078 ----==_mimepart_5ae03c3f93c90_803f3fb1aed3af782730b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Merged #1308.

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@mcmanus, yes. @ekr, does that work for you? Do we need to put a pointer in?

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----==_mimepart_5ae03ddb87617_cb32b22b796cf58234368-- From nobody Wed Apr 25 03:31:49 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CE8312DA54 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 03:31:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.499 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.499 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bjwWrcZwCWAN for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 03:31:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m71-131.mailgun.net (m71-131.mailgun.net [166.78.71.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 638EE12DA50 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 03:31:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1524652305; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=E4jPZty5Ss9uspfhGve4CaA32VWyx9AzsFZ5cRtfcPs=; b=eADIPZaIoQnKt6Xi4+ug6mxi8/eJeghWqPFnlGqooychAPGHpR9RQ4D7t3CTh8WpM8f5EMHG 90fm42n5gXSxzkKTWw8nPyoDeLkcxSpHSgZAiQU3a3JZoTBPoMC9v+OtfcG2rnjfnKmQrmCA GcXWp1GDhk/kPxfemUQXVYgS5w4= X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.71.131 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.38]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 5ae05911.7f8ee286bd20-smtp-out-n02; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 10:31:45 -0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 03:31:43 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5ae0590fe53c4_756a2ad381d3bc046303e@hookshot-fe-265448d.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 23018d: Initial cut at packet number encryption Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ae0590fe4fd2_756a2ad381d3bc046299"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 10:31:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ae0590fe4fd2_756a2ad381d3bc046299 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/pn-encrypt Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 23018df88dccf39f1af4ebdfa3c8bbed02354769 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/23018df88dccf39f1af4ebdfa3c8bbed02354769 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-04-25 (Wed, 25 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Initial cut at packet number encryption This is a little rough, but I think that the bones are here. I know that we discussed removing short packet types in favor of putting the lengths under encryption. I will do that separately, just to keep the size of this changeset to something more manageable. Commit: 41196efd08bd194cba92678ec06cc8bc06914965 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/41196efd08bd194cba92678ec06cc8bc06914965 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-04-25 (Wed, 25 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Constant time This is pretty onerous, so I'd like to see if people think that this is acceptable. The cost is that all packets need to have their AEAD run the whole way through. The gain is that there will be no side-channels for attackers to exploit. Commit: 1d6b9793138a03b0ec93bd86199c375a5179403b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1d6b9793138a03b0ec93bd86199c375a5179403b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-04-25 (Wed, 25 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- That was a little unclear on a re-read Commit: 16b663ae1bdef3bcd8ac90c967b3cac7ebded4f8 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/16b663ae1bdef3bcd8ac90c967b3cac7ebded4f8 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-04-25 (Wed, 25 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- That was a little unclear on a re-read, again Commit: 1ea1ae5bf6d2784399805ee9a397bbbecc9eb645 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1ea1ae5bf6d2784399805ee9a397bbbecc9eb645 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-04-25 (Wed, 25 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- More tweaking (I have to stop this) Commit: 232572553a97191ddf55f025486b0051c5598491 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/232572553a97191ddf55f025486b0051c5598491 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-04-25 (Wed, 25 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Some fairly obvious errors Commit: 86f262d5ea72c250d2806b8145e8b2d6a4d3f207 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/86f262d5ea72c250d2806b8145e8b2d6a4d3f207 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-04-25 (Wed, 25 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Don't mess with ChaCha20, use it directly Commit: 1aec4b0936d3e30964eaeb05a17218fee76585c7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1aec4b0936d3e30964eaeb05a17218fee76585c7 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-04-25 (Wed, 25 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Fix off-by-one error Commit: a5a6df0d111aba0dbd395e21c3b6421c425c57c7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a5a6df0d111aba0dbd395e21c3b6421c425c57c7 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-04-25 (Wed, 25 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Two *different* packet numbers Commit: e641b72665393e49fa3d1d9a7292914c74fda09b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e641b72665393e49fa3d1d9a7292914c74fda09b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-04-25 (Wed, 25 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Remove repetition Commit: 379102013dda2655eb7b68304c7892794dc51996 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/379102013dda2655eb7b68304c7892794dc51996 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-04-25 (Wed, 25 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Take and rework suggestions by @cwood Commit: 0f3c970169c9a2c20e7b61509f979f731d303f7c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0f3c970169c9a2c20e7b61509f979f731d303f7c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-04-25 (Wed, 25 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Just use AES-CTR Commit: 0c54fbf0e1cbcb5d094d86fe649273f7ae5d8d45 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0c54fbf0e1cbcb5d094d86fe649273f7ae5d8d45 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-04-25 (Wed, 25 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Make the order of operations clearer. Commit: f163e2ab2fbd7064a01e76a06b999f80a11b5c9b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f163e2ab2fbd7064a01e76a06b999f80a11b5c9b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-04-25 (Wed, 25 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Revert unnecessary change Commit: d6d9837d685d3de4d035a78fa7c99bc03e99e8ba https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d6d9837d685d3de4d035a78fa7c99bc03e99e8ba Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-04-25 (Wed, 25 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Restore some of the endpoint-agnosticism that got lost in rebasing Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/d7cd4ad0edca...d6d9837d685d ----==_mimepart_5ae0590fe4fd2_756a2ad381d3bc046299-- From nobody Wed Apr 25 03:33:06 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26B3812DA6E for ; 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -346,7 +346,7 @@ Packet Number:
 
 : The Packet Number is a 32-bit field that follows the two connection IDs.
   {{packet-numbers}} describes the use of packet numbers.  Packet numbers are
-  protected separate to the packet payload.
+  protected separately to the packet payload.

I think this should read "Packet numbers are protected separately from the packet payload."

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+1 to @afrind for catching this.

Perhaps the HoL minimization/stream reset interplay is indeed a general = issue, as @krasic points out, and is never g= oing away. In that case, we have to deal with it.

I think that having the decoder return a stream error is not so bad:

  • If the encoder knows that the stream was reset, it can ignore this erro= r;
    • This adds a requirement that the application (HQ layer) notify the enco= der that it reset the stream.
  • Otherwise, the encoder can escalate (promote?) this to a connection err= or and close the connection.

Introducing the concept of allowed stream errors on reset streams is bet= ter than dipping into the transport layer or using timers.

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----==_mimepart_5ae08a2683993_7aef2abd71540f5c78569-- From nobody Wed Apr 25 07:13:53 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8680D126DEE for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 07:13:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.606 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.606 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id umJsgaXvyOa9 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 07:13:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 07161120047 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 07:13:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 07:13:42 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1524665622; bh=LqEeGRSOyWxlrq3fLcfkPZi+KgCMQDgdixfgCxv+JAw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=o+Ak4J98pVU1uhVT++pfqUneBRZ1jaReHB3u7fiIA7MlZpjYrtnUBD2W3BbWo7DMo 45/rc+TUrTSAc+OUGvv6pYrV/Nbx7ag/FvoArFNs+wTaL+gIkIW1DITjpbl7v9zwUb rfD/mxO4z3gXE8aBOARCqGa0xiwhWR/Hdbv0RjdE= From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] QPACK: remove explanation about header block diffs (#1326) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ae08d1630b22_2bdc2adf310faf6061384"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 14:13:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ae08d1630b22_2bdc2adf310faf6061384 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Explaining this here only makes it harder to understand the design of QPACK. This sort things would belong in a rationale document if we had one. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1326 -- Commit Summary -- * QPACK: remove explanation about header block diffs -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md (5) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1326.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1326.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1326 ----==_mimepart_5ae08d1630b22_2bdc2adf310faf6061384 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Explaining this here only makes it harder to understand the design
of QPACK. This sort things would belong in a rationale document
if we had one.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1326

Commit Summary

  • QPACK: remove explanation about header block diffs

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----==_mimepart_5ae08d1630b22_2bdc2adf310faf6061384-- From nobody Wed Apr 25 07:19:23 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6779127241 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 07:19:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.606 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.606 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s4PRp_x6Tjmv for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 07:19:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B28B1200B9 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 07:19:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=2Tp+4diu/pX5MKNbIx4LiV3p2Nc=; b=oKOh+n1o0hBMg19G b3d5DFvBUjpHflrrUhG3yWTOJGPtWtHLIUHiPsJKMFX8I4DPCZ8AGFMR0zol59ep ggVZ6piEo7640K4c50ajUg0NHPocmGJwl0A9TneafoKKY3OApnriZ0NKM+klZMq3 5we08sormY3ACb05lHSye6lilEI= Received: by filter0253p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0253p1iad2-29620-5AE08E65-1D 2018-04-25 14:19:17.776280244 +0000 UTC Received: from github-lowworker8-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.42]) by ismtpd0019p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id br1uhj-wSF6jT4GMgw3ZIw for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 14:19:17.788 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker8-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8ED96146C for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 07:19:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 14:19:18 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Avoid failure from spoofed/delayed PATH_RESPONSE (#1263) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ae08e65b79f3_5f213fa0297e8f841713b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-CSA-Complaints: whitelist-complaints@eco.de X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak12Q3RJbK22weVsceix3kqdhNt6HGLCe3SP4z 6P/D9z39zgaG7w2pQq5fEOxmdi2FRCfVkd5aeypTB18EHR2S+zj7xCvC8ZPF0gUAfCEzbF92U+IqfL UhX1TcsNc0z+iaxMHxZSxJWSkHcJRuazl0HmX+FaSplIaOSMlEIKNjGD3IS38ZfepB0JepYYx8p1wd 4= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 14:19:21 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ae08e65b79f3_5f213fa0297e8f841713b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I will close this for now. We currently have consensus not to harden the handshake against disruption by an on-path attacker. I think that there is plenty of interest in looking at hardening the handshake against tampering and disruption, but those efforts aren't currently in scope. Any attempt to do that will likely need to be marked `quicv2`, as Ben notes. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1263#issuecomment-384303756 ----==_mimepart_5ae08e65b79f3_5f213fa0297e8f841713b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I will close this for now. We currently have consensus not to harden th= e handshake against disruption by an on-path attacker. I think that there = is plenty of interest in looking at hardening the handshake against tamperi= ng and disruption, but those efforts aren't currently in scope. Any attemp= t to do that will likely need to be marked quicv2, as Ben note= s.

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While "vulnerable" is not perfect (@martinthomson pointed this out somewhere, but I cannot find it now)= , "blocking" is worse. This is because it is not always clear whether th= e reference a) may become blocked or b) is already blocked. "Vulnerable"= conveyed the intended meaning -- the potential to become blocke= d -- better.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -496,7 +496,7 @@ loss_detection_alarm:
 : Multi-modal alarm used for loss detection.
 
 handshake_count:
-: The number of times the handshake packets have been
+: The number of times all unacknowledged handshake data has been

"The number of times all unacknowledged handshake data has been transmitted"

without receiving an ack seems redundant :)

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While still young, zstd is likely to be important over time

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kucherawy-dispatch-zstd-01#section-3

content-encoding: zstd
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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +The first entry inserted has an absolute index of "1"; indices
+increase sequentially with each insertion.
+
+On the control stream, a relative index of "0" always refers to the most
+recently inserted value in the dynamic table.  Note that this means the
+entry referenced by a given relative index can change while interpreting
+a HEADERS frame as new entries are inserted.
+
+~~~~~ drawing
+    +---+---------------+-------+
+    | n |      ...      | d + 1 |  Absolute Index
+    + - +---------------+   -   +
+    | 0 |      ...      | n-d-1 |  Relative Index
+    +---+---------------+-------+
+      ^                     |
+      |                     V

Whatever we do, either absolute or relative will be starting at the greatest number and counting down. Given that relative is what's sent in instructions, I found that to be more intuitive, personally. I'm open to swapping them if most people prefer, though.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +
+n = count of entries inserted
+d = count of entries dropped
+~~~~~
+{: title="Dynamic Table Indexing - Control Stream"}
+
+Because frames from request streams can be delivered out of order with
+instructions on the control stream, relative indices are based on the Base Index
+(see {{absolute-index}}) included in the HEADERS or PUSH_PROMISE frame.  The
+Base Index is the absolute index of the entry which has the relative index of
+zero when interpreting the frame.  The relative indices of entries do not change
+while interpreting headers on a request or push stream.
+
+~~~~~ drawing
+    +---+-----+-----+-----+-------+
+    | n | n-2 | n-3 | ... |  d+1  |  Absolute Index

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Or in other words, do we optimise for requests or responses? The proposed table seems to treat both equally fairly.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -496,7 +496,7 @@ loss_detection_alarm:
 : Multi-modal alarm used for loss detection.
 
 handshake_count:
-: The number of times the handshake packets have been
+: The number of times all unacknowledged handshake data has been

It's consistent with tlp_count and rto_count because all get reset to 0 when an ack is received.

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These are used in quite heavy traffic

x-forwarded-for
x-forwarded-ip
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x-forwarded-proto ?

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@LPardue, yes, that's the idea. RFC 81= 64 and all. And you're right -- there are some odd duck in there, some rem= oved and some not.

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  • 17% of Content-Length headers are 0; another 5% are 531
  • The 6th most common ACAH header asks to allow "x-customheader," which I= 'm fairly sure is an example someone copied without customizing

@mikkelfj, given that the other applic= ation/* compressed types aren't frequent enough to show up in the query, I'= d probably skip that content-type entry regardless. We could add some thing= s still in draft. The addition of things that are used on the proxy side w= ould be useful, since Internet Archive doesn't have visibility into that.

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X-forwarded-* isn't really standard, and there is an effort to standar= dize, but I'm sure if it is actually being used - and if it is, X- is pro= bably still there just to not break things.

That said, any gateway towards QUIC has the chance of remapping such h= eaders, so QUIC could take a position here.

e.g. X-Forward-For -> Forwarded

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This verges on bikeshed commentary. How much "space" is there for this t= able. The indexing stops at 121 for the reasons you describe, what is the u= pper limit? Could QPACK static table be extended in future if there is a st= rong demand? (which raises the other point of how closely coupled is QPACK = to v1 of QUIC, doh).

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One of the reasons for #1141 was that it allowed this table to be "larger" without hurting th= e dynamic table. What constitutes "larger" is flexible, though. Basically= , as large as implementations can tolerate.

There's discussion up-thread about defining a way to change static table= s. I haven't come up with a design for that which doesn't feel painful, th= ough.

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= ----==_mimepart_5ae0df158747e_2873fdb65812f8835008c-- From nobody Wed Apr 25 13:12:49 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26C08129C70 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 13:12:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AkGnRVozW01u for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 13:12:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-12.smtp.github.com (out-12.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9719512702E for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 13:12:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 13:12:46 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1524687166; bh=AT4jeToYDeMTnNvPxx2BiOrSN2/GSdQukehDtrY+gVU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=qlIJBAdJwVwaeJwV2hnF+iTD8Sto9gOq4QNdmFhh5YIQZWWA8mP4G5/6L+z+bGagS GV2yefuOOoDv96UKFAqk0D8WpvdKp5tqYTm7aar3hiB9rXOOckCRflro3LKcBY7IlJ alFCL5r/j57TExC2n60pELbPSxwRrs3HWKJv8n3k= From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP header compression: static table fit for QUIC (#904) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ae0e13e484f_34473fdda742af8094886"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 20:12:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ae0e13e484f_34473fdda742af8094886 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > There's discussion up-thread about defining a way to change static tables. I haven't come up with a design for that which doesn't feel painful, though. I meant more something like a formal extension process, similar to Frame types or Status codes. An author could propose new entries be appended to the static table, an "expert" decides if this should become a formal entry. Endpoints could exchange the highest index of static entry they would like to use for any given connection. This value indicates that the endpoint supports all entries up to and including the highest index. While HPACK was noble in its statement of not being extendable, the barrier to HPACK2 is high. Instead we have QPACK :) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/904#issuecomment-384418758 ----==_mimepart_5ae0e13e484f_34473fdda742af8094886 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

There's discussion up-thread about defining a way to change static tab= les. I haven't come up with a design for that which doesn't feel painful,= though.

I meant more something like a formal extension process, similar to Fra= me types or Status codes. An author could propose new entries be appended= to the static table, an "expert" decides if this should become a formal = entry. Endpoints could exchange the highest index of static entry they wo= uld like to use for any given connection. This value indicates that the e= ndpoint supports all entries up to and including the highest index.

While HPACK was noble in its statement of not being extendable, the ba= rrier to HPACK2 is high. Instead we have QPACK :)

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The +Base Index is the absolute index of the entry which has the relative index of +zero when interpreting the frame. The relative indices of entries do not change +while interpreting headers on a request or push stream. + +~~~~~ drawing + +---+-----+-----+-----+-------+ + | n | n-1 | n-2 | ... | d+1 | Absolute Index + +---+-----+ - +-----+ - + + | 0 | ... | n-d-3 | Relative Index + +-----+-----+-------+ + ^ + | + Base Index Since Base Index is an absolute index, would it be more intuitive to have this on the top of the drawing pointing down? > + +---+---------------+-------+ + | n | ... | d + 1 | Absolute Index + + - +---------------+ - + + | 0 | ... | n-d-1 | Relative Index + +---+---------------+-------+ + ^ | + | V +Insertion Point Dropping Point + +n = count of entries inserted +d = count of entries dropped +~~~~~ +{: title="Dynamic Table Indexing - Control Stream"} + +Because frames from request streams can be delivered out of order with +instructions on the control stream, relative indices are based on the Base Index "...relative indices are relative to the Base Index..." perhaps? > +while interpreting headers on a request or push stream. + +~~~~~ drawing + +---+-----+-----+-----+-------+ + | n | n-1 | n-2 | ... | d+1 | Absolute Index + +---+-----+ - +-----+ - + + | 0 | ... | n-d-3 | Relative Index + +-----+-----+-------+ + ^ + | + Base Index + +n = count of entries inserted +d = count of entries dropped +~~~~~ +{: title="Dynamic Table Indexing - Request Stream"} Include the word 'example' in the caption? > @@ -225,9 +273,8 @@ represented as an 8-bit prefix string literal. ### Duplicate {#indexed-duplicate} Duplication of an existing entry in the dynamic table starts with the '000' -three-bit pattern. The index of the existing entry is represented as an integer -with a 5-bit prefix. Table indices are always non-zero; a table index of zero -MUST be treated as a decoding error. +three-bit pattern. The absolute index of the existing entry is represented as Why absolute? Because it's ordered on the control stream, this can be relative to N=number of inserts. > + | n | ... | d + 1 | Absolute Index + + - +---------------+ - + + | 0 | ... | n-d-1 | Relative Index + +---+---------------+-------+ + ^ | + | V +Insertion Point Dropping Point + +n = count of entries inserted +d = count of entries dropped +~~~~~ +{: title="Dynamic Table Indexing - Control Stream"} + +Because frames from request streams can be delivered out of order with +instructions on the control stream, relative indices are based on the Base Index +(see {{absolute-index}}) included in the HEADERS or PUSH_PROMISE frame. The You mention Base Index here like it's a field in the HEADERS or PUSH_PROMISE frame, but it looks more like the beginning of the header block below. > +The first entry inserted has an absolute index of "1"; indices +increase sequentially with each insertion. + +On the control stream, a relative index of "0" always refers to the most +recently inserted value in the dynamic table. Note that this means the +entry referenced by a given relative index can change while interpreting +a HEADERS frame as new entries are inserted. + +~~~~~ drawing + +---+---------------+-------+ + | n | ... | d + 1 | Absolute Index + + - +---------------+ - + + | 0 | ... | n-d-1 | Relative Index + +---+---------------+-------+ + ^ | + | V I have a slight preference for absolute index growing left-to-right, but I can live with it as is too. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +Because frames from request streams can be delivered out of order with
+instructions on the control stream, relative indices are based on the Base Index
+(see {{absolute-index}}) included in the HEADERS or PUSH_PROMISE frame.  The
+Base Index is the absolute index of the entry which has the relative index of
+zero when interpreting the frame.  The relative indices of entries do not change
+while interpreting headers on a request or push stream.
+
+~~~~~ drawing
+    +---+-----+-----+-----+-------+
+    | n | n-1 | n-2 | ... |  d+1  |  Absolute Index
+    +---+-----+  -  +-----+   -   +
+              |  0  | ... | n-d-3 |  Relative Index
+              +-----+-----+-------+
+                 ^
+                 |
+             Base Index

Since Base Index is an absolute index, would it be more intuitive to have this on the top of the drawing pointing down?

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +    +---+---------------+-------+
+    | n |      ...      | d + 1 |  Absolute Index
+    + - +---------------+   -   +
+    | 0 |      ...      | n-d-1 |  Relative Index
+    +---+---------------+-------+
+      ^                     |
+      |                     V
+Insertion Point         Dropping Point
+
+n = count of entries inserted
+d = count of entries dropped
+~~~~~
+{: title="Dynamic Table Indexing - Control Stream"}
+
+Because frames from request streams can be delivered out of order with
+instructions on the control stream, relative indices are based on the Base Index

"...relative indices are relative to the Base Index..." perhaps?

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +while interpreting headers on a request or push stream.
+
+~~~~~ drawing
+    +---+-----+-----+-----+-------+
+    | n | n-1 | n-2 | ... |  d+1  |  Absolute Index
+    +---+-----+  -  +-----+   -   +
+              |  0  | ... | n-d-3 |  Relative Index
+              +-----+-----+-------+
+                 ^
+                 |
+             Base Index
+
+n = count of entries inserted
+d = count of entries dropped
+~~~~~
+{: title="Dynamic Table Indexing - Request Stream"}

Include the word 'example' in the caption?

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -225,9 +273,8 @@ represented as an 8-bit prefix string literal.
 ### Duplicate {#indexed-duplicate}
 
 Duplication of an existing entry in the dynamic table starts with the '000'
-three-bit pattern.  The index of the existing entry is represented as an integer
-with a 5-bit prefix. Table indices are always non-zero; a table index of zero
-MUST be treated as a decoding error.
+three-bit pattern.  The absolute index of the existing entry is represented as

Why absolute? Because it's ordered on the control stream, this can be relative to N=number of inserts.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +    | n |      ...      | d + 1 |  Absolute Index
+    + - +---------------+   -   +
+    | 0 |      ...      | n-d-1 |  Relative Index
+    +---+---------------+-------+
+      ^                     |
+      |                     V
+Insertion Point         Dropping Point
+
+n = count of entries inserted
+d = count of entries dropped
+~~~~~
+{: title="Dynamic Table Indexing - Control Stream"}
+
+Because frames from request streams can be delivered out of order with
+instructions on the control stream, relative indices are based on the Base Index
+(see {{absolute-index}}) included in the HEADERS or PUSH_PROMISE frame.  The

You mention Base Index here like it's a field in the HEADERS or PUSH_PROMISE frame, but it looks more like the beginning of the header block below.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +The first entry inserted has an absolute index of "1"; indices
+increase sequentially with each insertion.
+
+On the control stream, a relative index of "0" always refers to the most
+recently inserted value in the dynamic table.  Note that this means the
+entry referenced by a given relative index can change while interpreting
+a HEADERS frame as new entries are inserted.
+
+~~~~~ drawing
+    +---+---------------+-------+
+    | n |      ...      | d + 1 |  Absolute Index
+    + - +---------------+   -   +
+    | 0 |      ...      | n-d-1 |  Relative Index
+    +---+---------------+-------+
+      ^                     |
+      |                     V

I have a slight preference for absolute index growing left-to-right, but I can live with it as is too.

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DNS makes me nervous, simply because it's not guaranteed to be fresh. = You need something that can be confirmed directly with the peer at the t= ime of the connection. A single continuously-growing table is hard becau= se in a few years, in some application space, someone's going to find the= low end of the table totally useless and be forced to support it to get = the high end.

The best sketch I've got right now is to capitalize on the fact that t= here are two encoder-decoder pairs. So each endpoint publishes a list, i= n preference order, of the static tables it supports. Each encoder will = use the most preferred item from its list which also appears somewhere on= the decoder's list. They might well end up using different static table= s in the opposite directions, but that's okay; each peer can choose the t= able that best suits the headers it plans to send. If we went with such = a design, it would probably make sense to separate out a client table and= a server table.

However, if it's going to be in SETTINGS, that adds a new limitation t= hat the client can't send requests in 1-RTT until it has seen the server'= s (hopefully 0.5-RTT) SETTINGS frame, a requirement that doesn't currentl= y exist. (Or we permit changing tables mid-connection, which has serious= synchronization issues.) If we want to guarantee that it has been seen,= then it would have to be a transport parameter, but that then gets into = cross-layer settings and that's ugly.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -225,9 +273,8 @@ represented as an 8-bit prefix string literal.
 ### Duplicate {#indexed-duplicate}
 
 Duplication of an existing entry in the dynamic table starts with the '000'
-three-bit pattern.  The index of the existing entry is represented as an integer
-with a 5-bit prefix. Table indices are always non-zero; a table index of zero
-MUST be treated as a decoding error.
+three-bit pattern.  The absolute index of the existing entry is represented as

#1128. You're almost certainly going to duplicate entries which have the largest possible relative index in your table. Unless your table has wrapped multiple times, that means they have a relatively small absolute index. On the flip side, the size of this will grow continuously over the lifetime of a connection while the relative index is at least bounded.

For ideal compression, this would be relative to the total number of drops (so the last item in the table is 0, etc.), but I was really hesitant to introduce a third (fourth, given #1239) way of indexing entries in the same table.

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Regarding static table selection, I'd prefer using what will be defined = in #1068 rather than = trying to invent our own wheel.

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At that point, nulke it from orbit and make a QPACK2 or whatever from scratch. My intention was to permit modest growth of "QPACK for general purpose HTTP on the Web". Saying that, for all the problems that "pluggable" static tables might have, I like your proposal @MikeBishop, and it would obviate my slow-growth extension model. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/904#issuecomment-384452426 ----==_mimepart_5ae0ff6ac6593_28b1d3fc443370f7c3349b1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

A single continuously-growing table is hard because in a few years, in s= ome application space, someone's going to find the low end of the table tot= ally useless and be forced to support it to get the high end.

At that point, nulke it from orbit and make a QPACK2 or whatever from sc= ratch. My intention was to permit modest growth of "QPACK for general purpo= se HTTP on the Web".

Saying that, for all the problems that "pluggable" static tables might h= ave, I like your proposal @MikeBishop,= and it would obviate my slow-growth extension model.

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The Stateless Reset is just a bunch of random bytes except the first one and the token, so I simplified the spec to reflect that.

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The spec is clear that the CID is random, so it's all just random byte= s between the short header byte and the token.

However, an alternate way to improve this section is to leave it prett= y much the same, except to say that if the stateless reset is in response= to a long header, servers should use the SCID instead.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -225,9 +273,8 @@ represented as an 8-bi=
t prefix string literal.
 ### Duplicate {#indexed-duplicate}
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 Duplication of an existing entry in the dynamic table starts with the &#=
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-three-bit pattern.  The index of the existing entry is represented as an=
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-with a 5-bit prefix. Table indices are always non-zero; a table index of=
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-MUST be treated as a decoding error.
+three-bit pattern.  The absolute index of the existing entry is represen=
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I wonder if this text should be stronger, given that we rely on server= s doing the right thing to avoid amplification attacks. This is an issue = IMO with TFO deployments, and I worry that if we don't specify something = here we may end up with careless implementations.

We can have recommendations around the expiration time, and around wha= t information should be included and verified. I don't want to bikeshed o= n these values, but having something here is better than nothing I think.=

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In addition, not all readers of the document will be familiar with TCP SACKs. * Improve the irrevokable ACK frame paragraph; add SACK RFC ref ----==_mimepart_5ae106a578e2b_23ad2aec063e1bfc544-- From nobody Wed Apr 25 15:52:34 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1E3D124207 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 15:52:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1-QelXSS9Xam for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 15:52:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3AD1612D86E for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 15:52:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 15:52:23 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1524696743; bh=KLcAVtWoH1jknPl0/sItAevWk8IxHDSDBKGVcGXp9N4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=TdPFa9YabQUXo7+F4Y71mxhHEQc8s5rM9SVwdRhTI6iCRCCFKDkj6WUNqG62jmZNI IlBiugS6+5R4RDu11VS+hSlv7tjCMq2l//D08UPq4BremHqXC/LNFqHxNR8w+Ktu9N UbzdPV6PY4dBlLazyMQ13yKMDjeE589mE06uEamE= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Deemphasize TCP SACKs reference in ACK frame description (#1312) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ae106a797e8c_7dee2b0e767ccf541373e0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 22:52:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ae106a797e8c_7dee2b0e767ccf541373e0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merged #1312. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Merged #1327.

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If the decoder encounters a reference to an entry -which has already been dropped from the table, this MUST be treated as a stream -error of type `HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED`. If this reference occurs on -the control stream, this MUST be treated as a connection error. +Entries with an absolute index greater than a frame's Base Index can be +referenced using specific Post-Base instructions. The relative indices of +Post-Base references count in the opposite direction from Base Index. Is 'count up from Base index' more clear than 'opposite direction'? It's opposite of the direction of pre-base relative indexes but that may not be obvious from the text. > -which has already been dropped from the table, this MUST be treated as a stream -error of type `HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED`. If this reference occurs on -the control stream, this MUST be treated as a connection error. +Entries with an absolute index greater than a frame's Base Index can be +referenced using specific Post-Base instructions. The relative indices of +Post-Base references count in the opposite direction from Base Index. + +~~~~~ drawing + +---+-----+-----+-----+-----+ + | n | n-1 | n-2 | ... | d+1 | Absolute Index + +---+-----+-----+-----+-----+ + | 1 | 0 | Post-Base Index + +---+-----+ + ^ + | + Base Index Put this on top so it's not pointing at nothing > @@ -381,32 +417,46 @@ decoded header list, as described in Section 3.2 of [RFC7541]. ~~~~~~~~~~ {: title="Indexed Header Field"} -An indexed header field starts with the '1' 1-bit pattern, followed by the `S` -bit indicating whether the reference is into the static (S=1) or dynamic (S=0) -table. Finally, the relative index of the matching header field is represented -as an integer with a 6-bit prefix (see Section 5.1 of [RFC7541]). +If the entry is in the static table, or in the dynamic table with an absolute +index less than Base Index, this representation starts with the '1' 1-bit less than or equal to Base Index -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1320#pullrequestreview-115383653 ----==_mimepart_5ae10fc44f6ae_1e102ab3dc19af54690e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -206,11 +207,30 @@ d = count of entries dropped
 ~~~~~
 {: title="Example Dynamic Table Indexing - Request Stream"}
 
-Entries with an absolute index greater than a frame's Base Index cannot be
-referenced by that frame.  If the decoder encounters a reference to an entry
-which has already been dropped from the table, this MUST be treated as a stream
-error of type `HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED`.  If this reference occurs on
-the control stream, this MUST be treated as a connection error.
+Entries with an absolute index greater than a frame's Base Index can be
+referenced using specific Post-Base instructions.  The relative indices of
+Post-Base references count in the opposite direction from Base Index.

Is 'count up from Base index' more clear than 'opposite direction'? It's opposite of the direction of pre-base relative indexes but that may not be obvious from the text.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> -which has already been dropped from the table, this MUST be treated as a stream
-error of type `HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED`.  If this reference occurs on
-the control stream, this MUST be treated as a connection error.
+Entries with an absolute index greater than a frame's Base Index can be
+referenced using specific Post-Base instructions.  The relative indices of
+Post-Base references count in the opposite direction from Base Index.
+
+~~~~~ drawing
+    +---+-----+-----+-----+-----+
+    | n | n-1 | n-2 | ... | d+1 |  Absolute Index
+    +---+-----+-----+-----+-----+
+    | 1 |  0  |                    Post-Base Index
+    +---+-----+
+                 ^
+                 |
+             Base Index

Put this on top so it's not pointing at nothing

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -381,32 +417,46 @@ decoded header list, as described in Section 3.2 of [RFC7541].
 ~~~~~~~~~~
 {: title="Indexed Header Field"}
 
-An indexed header field starts with the '1' 1-bit pattern, followed by the `S`
-bit indicating whether the reference is into the static (S=1) or dynamic (S=0)
-table. Finally, the relative index of the matching header field is represented
-as an integer with a 6-bit prefix (see Section 5.1 of [RFC7541]).
+If the entry is in the static table, or in the dynamic table with an absolute
+index less than Base Index, this representation starts with the '1' 1-bit

less than or equal to Base Index

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Discussed with Alan; absolute indices grow without bound, so they're n= ot a good option. Most tables have less than 1k entries, which can be re= presented in at most three bytes. You could index from the end of the dy= namic table and make it always one byte, but that introduces a fourth (!!= !) way to reference entries in QPACK, which seems less than ideal.

Inclination is to leave this alone unless we have data that says Dupli= cate instructions are getting intractably large.

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I agree with @dtikhonov that blocking is worse. It's neither blocking nor vulnerable, but vulnerable-to-HoL-blocking. I say change it back for now and defer coming up with a better term for another issue.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > @@ -1202,28 +1202,27 @@ An endpoint MAY use the following transport parameters: initial_max_streams_bidi (0x0002): : The initial maximum bidirectional streams parameter contains the initial - maximum number of application-owned bidirectional streams the peer may - initiate, encoded as an unsigned 16-bit integer. If this parameter is absent - or zero, application-owned bidirectional streams cannot be created until a - MAX_STREAM_ID frame is sent. Note that a value of 0 does not prevent the - cryptographic handshake stream (that is, stream 0) from being used. Setting - this parameter is equivalent to sending a MAX_STREAM_ID - ({{frame-max-stream-id}}) immediately after completing the handshake - containing the corresponding Stream ID. For example, a value of 0x05 would be - equivalent to receiving a MAX_STREAM_ID containing 20 when received by a - client or 17 when received by a server. + maximum number of bidirectional streams the peer may initiate, encoded as + an unsigned 16-bit integer. Note that the cryptographic handshake stream + (that is, stream 0) is exempt, a value of zero does not prevent it from being I agree with Mike. Perhaps there is a simplerr way of solving this, namely using words and not hyphenating words. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1202,28 +1202,27 @@ An endpoint MAY use the following transport parameters:
 initial_max_streams_bidi (0x0002):
 
 : The initial maximum bidirectional streams parameter contains the initial
-  maximum number of application-owned bidirectional streams the peer may
-  initiate, encoded as an unsigned 16-bit integer.  If this parameter is absent
-  or zero, application-owned bidirectional streams cannot be created until a
-  MAX_STREAM_ID frame is sent.  Note that a value of 0 does not prevent the
-  cryptographic handshake stream (that is, stream 0) from being used. Setting
-  this parameter is equivalent to sending a MAX_STREAM_ID
-  ({{frame-max-stream-id}}) immediately after completing the handshake
-  containing the corresponding Stream ID. For example, a value of 0x05 would be
-  equivalent to receiving a MAX_STREAM_ID containing 20 when received by a
-  client or 17 when received by a server.
+  maximum number of bidirectional streams the peer may initiate, encoded as
+  an unsigned 16-bit integer.  Note that the cryptographic handshake stream
+  (that is, stream 0) is exempt, a value of zero does not prevent it from being

I agree with Mike. Perhaps there is a simplerr way of solving this, namely using words and not hyphenating words.

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Merged #1295.

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Once we decide to either encrypt PN (#1079) or have per-CID PN (#1317),

Why not both?!?

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----==_mimepart_5ae1b90a911ed_1b342b10fd1b6f50301441-- From nobody Thu Apr 26 05:24:29 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 232AE12D87E for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 05:24:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.391 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.391 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dpaYi-ewcLuJ for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 05:24:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF83D12D86F for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 05:24:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 05:24:24 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1524745464; bh=d6YCUFYiFTkTjbUXUBQRZSO6q0H3H63IbQUtQy2EZbE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=W7gUDLGJhcmK4XG2eW4MxomMd8x/aNOhPWiloffmQbkzWA9TbgH9r4K8T1eDq8MKD GYGKcsT4TYB8BItG8v8rSrwVF3g9qGXLoWJOUbfUaVYvFncsfkOeTweCFhFOd+2nUN 5nY4n7/DF43pwZ9n+xULCkaLQzwbW5m+LajggE7E= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Preventing KEY_PHASE bit from being used as a tool to correlate CIDs (#1322) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ae1c4f8e7b5c_5db83f9e7a04cf885128b5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 12:24:28 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ae1c4f8e7b5c_5db83f9e7a04cf885128b5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree that we should do both. The intent of the text was to state that preventing leak of information from KEY_PHASE bit that could be used to correlate CIDs, makes sense only if we prevent leak from PN in some way. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1322#issuecomment-384621693 ----==_mimepart_5ae1c4f8e7b5c_5db83f9e7a04cf885128b5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I agree that we should do both.

The intent of the text was to state that preventing leak of informatio= n from KEY_PHASE bit that could be used to correlate CIDs, makes sense on= ly if we prevent leak from PN in some way.

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Not unreasonable. > @@ -2015,9 +2011,27 @@ following layout: This design ensures that a stateless reset packet is - to the extent possible - indistinguishable from a regular packet with a short header. -A server generates a random 18-octet Destination Connection ID field. For a -client that depends on the server including a connection ID, this will mean that -this value differs from previous packets. Ths results in two problems: +The message consists of a packet header, followed by random octets of arbitrary +length, followed by a Stateless Reset Token. + +The server SHOULD send a packet with a short header and a packet number length +of 1 octet. Using the hortest possible packet number encoding minimizes the shortest > -this value differs from previous packets. Ths results in two problems: +The message consists of a packet header, followed by random octets of arbitrary +length, followed by a Stateless Reset Token. + +The server SHOULD send a packet with a short header and a packet number length +of 1 octet. Using the hortest possible packet number encoding minimizes the +perceived gap between the last packet that the server sent and this packet. A +server MAY indicate a different packet number length, but a longer packet number +encoding might allow this message to be identified as a stateless reset more +easily using heuristics. + +The random octets MUST be of a length equal to at least 18 octets plus the +packet number length implied by the type field. A packet of this length +simulates a packet with a short header, the maximum-length destination +connection ID, a packet number of the appropriate length and (with the +Stateless Reset Token) an authentication trailer, with no packet payload. Are fully-empty packets permitted? If not, perhaps we should mandate that this be slightly longer, so it appears there's a payload. > + +The server SHOULD send a packet with a short header and a packet number length +of 1 octet. Using the hortest possible packet number encoding minimizes the +perceived gap between the last packet that the server sent and this packet. A +server MAY indicate a different packet number length, but a longer packet number +encoding might allow this message to be identified as a stateless reset more +easily using heuristics. + +The random octets MUST be of a length equal to at least 18 octets plus the +packet number length implied by the type field. A packet of this length +simulates a packet with a short header, the maximum-length destination +connection ID, a packet number of the appropriate length and (with the +Stateless Reset Token) an authentication trailer, with no packet payload. + +In response to a packet with a short header, the server has no means of +determining the source connection ID and is effectively using a random one It might be worth being precise about source in which direction. Maybe "The server has no means of determining a short packet's source connection ID, and therefore uses a random destination ID in the Stateless Reset packet." -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1328#pullrequestreview-115649270 ----==_mimepart_5ae1fca237de3_5c7e2b150972cf6010646a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Not unreasonable.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2015,9 +2011,27 @@ following layout:
 This design ensures that a stateless reset packet is - to the extent possible -
 indistinguishable from a regular packet with a short header.
 
-A server generates a random 18-octet Destination Connection ID field.  For a
-client that depends on the server including a connection ID, this will mean that
-this value differs from previous packets.  Ths results in two problems:
+The message consists of a packet header, followed by random octets of arbitrary
+length, followed by a Stateless Reset Token.
+
+The server SHOULD send a packet with a short header and a packet number length
+of 1 octet. Using the hortest possible packet number encoding minimizes the

shortest

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -this value differs from previous packets.  Ths results in two problems:
+The message consists of a packet header, followed by random octets of arbitrary
+length, followed by a Stateless Reset Token.
+
+The server SHOULD send a packet with a short header and a packet number length
+of 1 octet. Using the hortest possible packet number encoding minimizes the
+perceived gap between the last packet that the server sent and this packet.  A
+server MAY indicate a different packet number length, but a longer packet number
+encoding might allow this message to be identified as a stateless reset more
+easily using heuristics.
+
+The random octets MUST be of a length equal to at least 18 octets plus the
+packet number length implied by the type field. A packet of this length
+simulates a packet with a short header, the maximum-length destination
+connection ID, a packet number of the appropriate length and (with the
+Stateless Reset Token) an authentication trailer, with no packet payload.

Are fully-empty packets permitted? If not, perhaps we should mandate that this be slightly longer, so it appears there's a payload.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+The server SHOULD send a packet with a short header and a packet number length
+of 1 octet. Using the hortest possible packet number encoding minimizes the
+perceived gap between the last packet that the server sent and this packet.  A
+server MAY indicate a different packet number length, but a longer packet number
+encoding might allow this message to be identified as a stateless reset more
+easily using heuristics.
+
+The random octets MUST be of a length equal to at least 18 octets plus the
+packet number length implied by the type field. A packet of this length
+simulates a packet with a short header, the maximum-length destination
+connection ID, a packet number of the appropriate length and (with the
+Stateless Reset Token) an authentication trailer, with no packet payload.
+
+In response to a packet with a short header, the server has no means of
+determining the source connection ID and is effectively using a random one

It might be worth being precise about source in which direction. Maybe "The server has no means of determining a short packet's source connection ID, and therefore uses a random destination ID in the Stateless Reset packet."

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -496,7 +496,7 @@ loss_detection_alarm:
 : Multi-modal alarm used for loss detection.
 
 handshake_count:
-: The number of times the handshake packets have been
+: The number of times all unacknowledged handshake data has been

I think the point is that "unacknowledged ... without receiving an ack" is either redundant (if it's unacknowledged, of course you didn't receive an ack) or ambiguous (without receiving an ack of that data, or without receiving any acks for anything?) depending how you read it.

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----==_mimepart_5ae1fdb6a6b7d_41d53ff033bd2f7821062a-- From nobody Thu Apr 26 09:27:37 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45E2112DA1C for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 09:27:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.008 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.008 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ytbMjRtCXFCc for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 09:27:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E58C127AD4 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 09:27:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 09:27:33 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1524760053; bh=Q7e04hs41cse6uNQutnF2iYv5W2DVVngj+xugxLWWrc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=yntaqN7eQ1gXmcesm88t0dZlLV8sNjix2e8N8+OIO3ksI6lOdYK9/ulPLyNlX2UR8 Symoln2X71lnSvO7QPsRVAa0iOJSkNdFvDGapy1VsmCWWneDIdzaqQWWYlRJk0N5Qr foEgHnB3BwJLPE/AQDepvqR+IozpreVRLCDlfOR4= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP header compression: static table fit for QUIC (#904) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ae1fdf5463c2_50832aba54ef8f606594e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 16:27:36 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ae1fdf5463c2_50832aba54ef8f606594e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @MikeBishop I would argue that QUIC should provide a way for application protocols (e.g., HTTP) to negotiate their parameters. And I do not think that the negotiation mechanism for a transport extension and an application protocol extension needs to be different. There could be certain properties specific to a transport extension from QUIC's viewpoint (e.g., frame type mappings being negotiated), but the general requirements (e.g., the need to finish negotiation before sending first application data, the need to exchange a extension ID and optionally some parameters) will be the same. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/904#issuecomment-384704755 ----==_mimepart_5ae1fdf5463c2_50832aba54ef8f606594e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -496,7 +496,7 @@ loss_detection_alarm:
 : Multi-modal alarm used for loss detection.
 
 handshake_count:
-: The number of times the handshake packets have been
+: The number of times all unacknowledged handshake data has been

It's without receiving an ack for any new packets. Does that deserve clarification in all 3 spots?

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Vulnerable Commit: 348c47389aca2db52aa5951c40479ffa6ee8245e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/348c47389aca2db52aa5951c40479ffa6ee8245e Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2018-04-26 (Thu, 26 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md Log Message: ----------- Re-add lost definition Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/de572d8257ca...348c47389aca ----==_mimepart_5ae2062381b0a_3ea2aebe6987c0c531aa-- From nobody Thu Apr 26 10:03:26 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1DF2129C6A for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 10:03:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.605 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.605 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BCJRTIW5vqIx for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 10:03:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CF173126D85 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 10:03:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 10:03:21 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1524762201; bh=9IY+qxNyUYPhJhosBJth0RtQLiRGiA1jxHnREqURbeg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=LVQzudS4LbIXtSsr/aOrkRivYXPCBI+uC3olg9U2Kic99cdfC7P+40Tuu4MJ2LYuC 8VmhosLzv7qfwf8cW/Tv6+hF+p5LQX5/r0yr9OMy+Js9bdzRWA2TEjUPcPt3BKlP1y WLadtI3A6ehjZ/0Kh4MbbJCdpzzInNjSx9X9nR9I= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QPACK Blocking Setting (#1143) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ae20659b3049_4322aeb1e2c8f60260923"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 17:03:25 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ae20659b3049_4322aeb1e2c8f60260923 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's another stab at it -- references are "vulnerable" if the encoder sends them without knowing that the decoder has the entries. 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Here's another stab at it -- references are "vulnerable" if the encode= r sends them without knowing that the decoder has the entries. They're "= blocking" if they arrive at the decoder and it actually doesn't. Because= each vulnerable reference could be blocking, the encoder needs = to keep its number of vulnerable references below the number of blocking = references the decoder will tolerate.

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----==_mimepart_5ae2089782fe_74ea2aab199c6f50181c5-- From nobody Thu Apr 26 10:13:12 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24EF712778E for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 10:13:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.391 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.391 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GH5ToWHdkfMj for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 10:13:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1FB811200E5 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 10:13:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=et32qAOQPaGWU+8Qr9wpcxeceY4=; b=Xyth5Pfst+urlH0V xGkrW8bVznsXOWDlqaU5tT2hx0fy0BGIZalNJc0Uvss+XhP+QfWTqUU1cfmzTjHq KtRNDG5uzswKfqwKMqAbDkV8uT6VRwaJzK1VrKMn+jAKDT4JIMvQUVA+C3lZ+m1U CgrA0mcfPsiH1e4uesR1LFSj1iw= Received: by filter0510p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0510p1las1-29365-5AE20897-A 2018-04-26 17:12:55.25222098 +0000 UTC Received: from github-lowworker16-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.40]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id Tqklu27JR2KrvwmGMzTm4Q for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 17:12:55.054 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker16-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A34D21081 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 10:12:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 17:12:55 +0000 (UTC) From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QPACK encoding requires two passes (#1138) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ae2089773c9_347f3fe641ef6f8423681"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3JZJRXqpC0Q6CKUZuwZs9qXKPRnYpa1ITCR+ 0FHPg3Bps1+bc1SAwd8KwKoh9/Yzj5re+TFgGfUtXw1+mG/kzMzFKNMCIw3/bMzTpVzkBXhBNIoYed CFt/4mvgt3VcLvW8iZKIWv7RJPXV48h2/Pn0NjqAGytL/PtCOJu38h8/Tvsgk8VQ367vi57D98a9+c U= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 17:13:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ae2089773c9_347f3fe641ef6f8423681 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fixed by #1320. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1138#issuecomment-384718734 ----==_mimepart_5ae2089773c9_347f3fe641ef6f8423681 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Fixed by #1320.

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----==_mimepart_5ae2089773c9_347f3fe641ef6f8423681-- From nobody Thu Apr 26 10:20:13 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8E0B127735 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 10:20:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.66 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.66 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yqms69EhiBmh for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 10:20:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m71-131.mailgun.net (m71-131.mailgun.net [166.78.71.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CDAAA124205 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 10:20:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1524763208; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=rIWghV7BCbY068h9KydjobQU7ixW9Jh1xhv8dpgbvkM=; b=FnAs03GRzejnc1DQseY7qoYhPx0OxLLP1ErJ38EnaZPPj5YM3j5PXeURB0taWqrcydSSyrLu +XCP6qk4fwaEHcFFcu/5BinnoYJD1HzzUtJvawb8EFkriScjEuJeWt1HKFINqo6zkibxqU1W 6DljuEPmsiSFZghy2yMLHzfTrWc= X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.71.131 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Sender: mbishop=evequefou.be@github.com Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.45]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 5ae20a48.7f76c7e675d0-smtp-out-n01; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 17:20:08 -0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 10:20:07 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: Mike Bishop To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5ae20a48ff_64762b12993c9c00634a1@hookshot-fe-5a11256.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 7683b3: QPACK One-Pass Encoding, Redux (#1320) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ae20a47f3ef2_64762b12993c9c00633a5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 17:20:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ae20a47f3ef2_64762b12993c9c00633a5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 7683b3dcf359c0bb14a9c6d89fbca8e92f2c9635 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7683b3dcf359c0bb14a9c6d89fbca8e92f2c9635 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2018-04-26 (Thu, 26 Apr 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md Log Message: ----------- QPACK One-Pass Encoding, Redux (#1320) * QPACK single pass encoding 1. 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Such references -are called "vulnerable," because the loss of a different packet can keep -the reference from being usable. - -The encoder can choose on a per-header-block basis whether to favor higher +In the example above, the header block on the second stream contained a +reference to data which might not yet have been processed by the recipient. Such +references are called "vulnerable," because the loss of a different packet can +keep the reference from being usable. If the reference cannot be immediately +processed on receipt, the reference is considered "blocking." It's more blocked than blocking (the missing one is blocking)? > @@ -494,7 +505,9 @@ Indexed-Duplicate representation instead (see {{indexed-duplicate}}). For header blocks encoded in non-blocking mode, the encoder needs to forego indexed representations that refer to table updates which have not yet been -acknowledged with {{feedback}}. +acknowledged with {{feedback}}. 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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -95,15 +95,26 @@ reintroduced by HPACK when the loss includes a HEADERS frame.
 
 ## Avoiding Head-of-Line Blocking in HTTP/QUIC {#overview-hol-avoidance}
 
-In the example above, the second stream contained a reference to data
-which might not yet have been processed by the recipient.  Such references
-are called "vulnerable," because the loss of a different packet can keep
-the reference from being usable.
-
-The encoder can choose on a per-header-block basis whether to favor higher
+In the example above, the header block on the second stream contained a
+reference to data which might not yet have been processed by the recipient. Such
+references are called "vulnerable," because the loss of a different packet can
+keep the reference from being usable.  If the reference cannot be immediately
+processed on receipt, the reference is considered "blocking."

It's more blocked than blocking (the missing one is blocking)?

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -494,7 +505,9 @@ Indexed-Duplicate representation instead (see {{indexed-duplicate}}).
 
 For header blocks encoded in non-blocking mode, the encoder needs to forego
 indexed representations that refer to table updates which have not yet been
-acknowledged with {{feedback}}.
+acknowledged with {{feedback}}.  Since all table updates are processed in
+sequence on the control stream, an index into the dynamic table is sufficient to
+track which entries have been processed.

change processed to acknowledged to match the previous sentence?

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If a new header to be inserted into the dynamic -table would cause the eviction of such an entry, the encoder MUST NOT emit the -insert instruction until the reference has been processed by the decoder and -acknowledged. - -The encoder can emit a literal representation for the new header in order to -avoid encoding delays, and MAY insert the header into the table later if -desired. - -To ensure that the blocked eviction case is rare, references to the oldest -entries in the dynamic table SHOULD be avoided. When one of the oldest entries -in the table is still actively used for references, the encoder SHOULD emit an -Indexed-Duplicate representation instead (see {{indexed-duplicate}}). +The encoder MUST NOT emit an instruction that evicts an entry while a reference +to that entry remains unacknowledged. When the encoder encounters a blocked +eviction in the course of encoding a header block, it SHOULD emit a literal SHOULD implies that the encoder has a different option which is appropriate in certain circumstances. What else could the encoder do, and when would it choose that? (I don't think it does, in which case I'd just skip the normative language here and say that's what the encoder does.) > +any eviction-prone entries, which are dynamic table entries that might be +evicted soon. Rather than reference an eviction-prone entry, the encoder SHOULD +emit an Indexed-Duplicate representation (see {{indexed-duplicate}}), and +reference the duplicate instead. + +To identify eviction-prone entries, the encoder can maintain a draining index, +which is the smallest absolute index in the dynamic table that it will emit a +reference for. As new entries are inserted, the encoder increments the +draining index such that the amount of free and draining space in the dyanmic +table is larger than its target threshold. + +~~~~~~~~~~ drawing + +----------------+-----------------------+------------+ + | Eviction-prone | Referenceable | Free Space | + | Entries | Entries | | + +----------------+-----------------------+------------+ I'm not sure if "Free Space" is necessarily the correct thing here, at least in a steady state (which is the only time eviction is an issue). I suppose it's sometimes possible to insert something small without evicting anything, but I'm not sure if that's relevant. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1237#pullrequestreview-115738461 ----==_mimepart_5ae23914711e4_1cb2b0b0a1f6f543999d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> -entry remains unacknowledged.  If a new header to be inserted into the dynamic
-table would cause the eviction of such an entry, the encoder MUST NOT emit the
-insert instruction until the reference has been processed by the decoder and
-acknowledged.
-
-The encoder can emit a literal representation for the new header in order to
-avoid encoding delays, and MAY insert the header into the table later if
-desired.
-
-To ensure that the blocked eviction case is rare, references to the oldest
-entries in the dynamic table SHOULD be avoided.  When one of the oldest entries
-in the table is still actively used for references, the encoder SHOULD emit an
-Indexed-Duplicate representation instead (see {{indexed-duplicate}}).
+The encoder MUST NOT emit an instruction that evicts an entry while a reference
+to that entry remains unacknowledged. When the encoder encounters a blocked
+eviction in the course of encoding a header block, it SHOULD emit a literal

SHOULD implies that the encoder has a different option which is appropriate in certain circumstances. What else could the encoder do, and when would it choose that? (I don't think it does, in which case I'd just skip the normative language here and say that's what the encoder does.)

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +any eviction-prone entries, which are dynamic table entries that might be
+evicted soon.  Rather than reference an eviction-prone entry, the encoder SHOULD
+emit an Indexed-Duplicate representation (see {{indexed-duplicate}}), and
+reference the duplicate instead.
+
+To identify eviction-prone entries, the encoder can maintain a draining index,
+which is the smallest absolute index in the dynamic table that it will emit a
+reference for.  As new entries are inserted, the encoder increments the
+draining index such that the amount of free and draining space in the dyanmic
+table is larger than its target threshold.
+
+~~~~~~~~~~  drawing
+   +----------------+-----------------------+------------+
+   | Eviction-prone |     Referenceable     | Free Space |
+   |    Entries     |        Entries        |            |
+   +----------------+-----------------------+------------+

I'm not sure if "Free Space" is necessarily the correct thing here, at least in a steady state (which is the only time eviction is an issue). I suppose it's sometimes possible to insert something small without evicting anything, but I'm not sure if that's relevant.

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----==_mimepart_5ae23f0cd949c_24452ad308258f54822b6-- From nobody Thu Apr 26 14:07:15 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EF1C128954 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 14:07:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.008 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.008 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1bQNBcP9EIlk for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 14:07:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA78612702E for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 14:07:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 14:07:11 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1524776831; bh=cAZfSkYB2FKg4wDQyNWEiptp5gqtIryEouOdU2HkH+w=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=itXzuLd7x9ZA2mJqp37gu7RzwYoLZR7/IT+FZ3YTeZh8KtmXZK8qyWSy5LcotQIqr VvfZlVCm0FLo7YeVzzYepcmLaMjJzabMb4kgwV19uuQbTIa2dv3mg4rdtRNX14H/r/ zqlqzVrIHmwug+kFqKV7NQOl+uPTVeS2lr9qCr7I= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP header compression: static table fit for QUIC (#904) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ae23f7f4c175_3f122aed63d28f54831e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 21:07:14 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ae23f7f4c175_3f122aed63d28f54831e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's certainly a possible design, but not what we've currently defined for HTTP/QUIC; we've followed the HTTP/2 path instead. One reason we haven't gone that way so far is that, during the handshake, you're also offering a list of protocols in ALPN in parallel with TPs. That means anything which lives in TP needs to be sent for each of the protocols you're offering the server to select from. (Imagine a future in which you support multiple HQ versions.) Also, since client's TP are only under handshake keys, there can't be any privacy concerns around disclosing the client's parameters. Neither is a killer, but certainly a pain, and a reason I prefer to keep other options on the table. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/904#issuecomment-384789205 ----==_mimepart_5ae23f7f4c175_3f122aed63d28f54831e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

That's certainly a possible design, but not what we've currently defin= ed for HTTP/QUIC; we've followed the HTTP/2 path instead. One reason we = haven't gone that way so far is that, during the handshake, you're also o= ffering a list of protocols in ALPN in parallel with TPs. That means any= thing which lives in TP needs to be sent for each of the protocols you're= offering the server to select from. (Imagine a future in which you supp= ort multiple HQ versions.) Also, since client's TP are only under handsh= ake keys, there can't be any privacy concerns around disclosing the clien= t's parameters.

Neither is a killer, but certainly a pain, and a reason I prefer to ke= ep other options on the table.

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The setting is still called BLOCKING_HEADER_REFERENCES, but the text now talks about blocked streams. Should we update this as well? SETTINGS_MAX_STREAMS_BLOCKED_ON_HEADERS is kind of a mouthful.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> -entry remains unacknowledged.  If a new header to be inserted into the dynamic
-table would cause the eviction of such an entry, the encoder MUST NOT emit the
-insert instruction until the reference has been processed by the decoder and
-acknowledged.
-
-The encoder can emit a literal representation for the new header in order to
-avoid encoding delays, and MAY insert the header into the table later if
-desired.
-
-To ensure that the blocked eviction case is rare, references to the oldest
-entries in the dynamic table SHOULD be avoided.  When one of the oldest entries
-in the table is still actively used for references, the encoder SHOULD emit an
-Indexed-Duplicate representation instead (see {{indexed-duplicate}}).
+The encoder MUST NOT emit an instruction that evicts an entry while a reference
+to that entry remains unacknowledged. When the encoder encounters a blocked
+eviction in the course of encoding a header block, it SHOULD emit a literal

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +any eviction-prone entries, which are dynamic table entries that might be
+evicted soon.  Rather than reference an eviction-prone entry, the encoder SHOULD
+emit an Indexed-Duplicate representation (see {{indexed-duplicate}}), and
+reference the duplicate instead.
+
+To identify eviction-prone entries, the encoder can maintain a draining index,
+which is the smallest absolute index in the dynamic table that it will emit a
+reference for.  As new entries are inserted, the encoder increments the
+draining index such that the amount of free and draining space in the dyanmic
+table is larger than its target threshold.
+
+~~~~~~~~~~  drawing
+   +----------------+-----------------------+------------+
+   | Eviction-prone |     Referenceable     | Free Space |
+   |    Entries     |        Entries        |            |
+   +----------------+-----------------------+------------+

There's usually some free space because it's not possible to evict a partial header. Maybe I could make it look smaller? The text talks about the sum of free space and draining space so I wanted to include it in the picture.

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----==_mimepart_5ae267957cb2c_32432ab8bb76af5419845e-- From nobody Fri Apr 27 00:20:19 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5AD2126FB3 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2018 00:20:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q7H60UyEZZ48 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2018 00:20:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA5D9120725 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2018 00:20:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2018 00:20:15 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1524813615; bh=ZHg+aVy3iedNZ14gEM6liU9bu+l2Z+Uo+JR+2SffLPg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=IXRqQE43giuWHzl+I0A0e0X9fg78aa1s3kqW3lzq7CGxatIRbHhpy0bCVyk58F2Rc rEEeQxL4XlTYx09fiWz+uCi2EUZK5BNScpFXQYbO+zc186shzyWkL9sNs6aQlJn9MS R5fp+avdwAGkhyHoHUt+ENlLCO2DMGT6NxI/Fybk= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP header compression: static table fit for QUIC (#904) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ae2cf2f9c710_1e6a2aac9c8c4f605122b1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2018 07:20:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ae2cf2f9c710_1e6a2aac9c8c4f605122b1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think the way HTTP/2 negotiates (or rather, unilaterally sends the configuration) is pretty cool. OTOH, as you have described, the issue with static table negotiation is that it needs to be negotiated rather than just sending the configuration to the peer. I can understand the hesitation to running ALPN and protocol-specific negotiation at the same time. However, I might argue that running all things parallel (for less connection establishment latency) is the spirit of QUIC. Transport negotiation, TLS handshake, 0-RTT, they are all done in parallel. Therefore, I would estimate that people would want to do the same for negotiating the parameters of the application layer protocols. I see static table negotiation being one of them. Just my two cents. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/904#issuecomment-384887433 ----==_mimepart_5ae2cf2f9c710_1e6a2aac9c8c4f605122b1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think the way HTTP/2 negotiates (or rather, unilaterally sends the c= onfiguration) is pretty cool. OTOH, as you have described, the issue with= static table negotiation is that it needs to be negotiated rather than j= ust sending the configuration to the peer.

I can understand the hesitation to running ALPN and protocol-specific = negotiation at the same time.

However, I might argue that running all things parallel (for less conn= ection establishment latency) is the spirit of QUIC. Transport negotiatio= n, TLS handshake, 0-RTT, they are all done in parallel. Therefore, I woul= d estimate that people would want to do the same for negotiating the para= meters of the application layer protocols. I see static table negotiation= being one of them.

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I'm relatively new to the QUIC WG; I started an implementation from scratch this month. I hope it's okay to raise this issue here and it has not been bikeshedded to death earlier.

On reading the spec, I've found the notion of source connection ID and destination CID somewhat confusing and hard to reason about. On further reflection, I believe that it would be beneficial to repsectively rename them as "local CID" and "remote CID" instead.

Here's my rationalization: in terms of graph theory, it seems to me that "source" and "destination" refer to vertex properties of (directed) edges. It seems that the fields in question, on the other hand, are meant to identify edges from the perspective of the vertices. As such, the "remote" CID is how the remote peer refers to the shared connection, while the "local" CID is how the local peer refers to it.

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----==_mimepart_5ae360fdb0196_4b7b3f8652b86f88393120-- From nobody Fri Apr 27 12:42:38 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C4E0127876 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2018 12:42:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1Gryfmlnm4AD for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2018 12:42:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 97AFF127871 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2018 12:42:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2018 12:42:32 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1524858152; bh=2kTzAx80beOkD6uwB13lAEIMhwDXjUUyHyfIWxM73LI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=O1/OuLBfKZsY7MhRwsA8jUzhgV4QkpSB1pb8No/BzUTZyBslgfTXizpq6/i968gZ9 k5TXJwQIoNPZk+evRB/rnq8rghCLff/oZ3leF0POtXUiBmqg4eyOdtP3rAsU++ddtl cmalkSyoxPA32z6gU/vKetYWxnBzVX0byLP9unaI= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Editorial: rename source/destination CID to local/remote CID (#1332) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ae37d28962f1_4d442b1e1a7acf5c917b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2018 19:42:36 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ae37d28962f1_4d442b1e1a7acf5c917b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can understand the confusion, and opening an issue is certainly an appropriate way to raise a suggestion on the spec. Welcome! The issue here is that the packet is sent from one node to another -- it's part of a directed edge, if you want to use that terminology. So "source" and "destination" are properties of that edge, and are true on both ends -- the source of an outbound packet is you, and the destination of an inbound packet is you. However, "local" and "remote" seems more prone to confusion, since the "remote" CID will be my local CID on packets I receive. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1332#issuecomment-385074329 ----==_mimepart_5ae37d28962f1_4d442b1e1a7acf5c917b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I can understand the confusion, and opening an issue is certainly an a= ppropriate way to raise a suggestion on the spec. Welcome!

The issue here is that the packet is sent from one node to another -- = it's part of a directed edge, if you want to use that terminology. So "s= ource" and "destination" are properties of that edge, and are true on bot= h ends -- the source of an outbound packet is you, and the destination of= an inbound packet is you.

However, "local" and "remote" seems more prone to confusion, since the= "remote" CID will be my local CID on packets I receive.

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= ----==_mimepart_5ae37d28962f1_4d442b1e1a7acf5c917b-- From nobody Fri Apr 27 13:28:07 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF7BC12785F for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2018 13:28:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.606 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.606 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NS0AXb0ghE08 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2018 13:28:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A8A901273E2 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2018 13:28:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2018 13:28:02 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1524860882; bh=/LClD19KvQqzWgM4HJ7IStrpSS9lie0gBXUL3raFJ+s=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=b/kb4FXBV3RlREECTEOpAFA9pOptibflLmfztlkg6kAn6FIS/8aDm7hUkteUBEOR3 xhqz+ARjK/h6/2Zwrq5B0XXwJD0x1QFf/4mKg3bsKJUhTUgba+ecl6UnFOlSjKInXJ 5G4Yx3cH3OUSpcn2ycMi6nZCVHci7XsJc8FA1RTY= From: Dirkjan Ochtman Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Editorial: rename source/destination CID to local/remote CID (#1332) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ae387d2c9637_65fc3fa9c7176f781821fb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: djc X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2018 20:28:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ae387d2c9637_65fc3fa9c7176f781821fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @MikeBishop that's a good counterpoint. I suppose the fact that packets actually traverse the edge does make the edge's perspective important. I think part of my problem was thinking about the state I have to keep for an endpoint, for which I guess "local" and "remote" could work better, but for packets "source" and "destination" definitely make more sense to me now. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1332#issuecomment-385085236 ----==_mimepart_5ae387d2c9637_65fc3fa9c7176f781821fb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@MikeBishop that's a good count= erpoint. I suppose the fact that packets actually traverse the edge does = make the edge's perspective important.

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Nomenclature is hard. Client and server are typical phrases which work= ok, but for my use cases "sender" and "receiver" work better.

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How about "peer?" Works for sockets.

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I really like the suggestion of "sender" and "receiver" at least in th= e context of a packet. I think that might be because the references is mo= re directly from the packet itself to the peers who handle the packet, ra= ther than the more indirect connection through the edge to its source and= destination.

As for "peer", that doesn't distinguish between the two peers particip= ating in the connection, so I presume it would not be very helpful.

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@kazuho

As far as I understand, any PNE scheme without accompanying checksum i= s fragile to side-channel attacks, because the probability of the receive= r dropping the packet without decrypting the payload is proportional to t= he value of the decrypted PN field. An attacker that has access to side-c= hannel information can use that information to guess the value of the PN = field.

The PR mandates that receivers not do that (though I concede that that= could easily turn into a 6919 "MUST (BUT WE KNOW YOU WON'T)"). In short= , the checksum you are looking for is the integrity check that is integra= ted into the AEAD.

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Yeah, we should be clearer about this, and more general. PR wanted.

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This is a fine change, though I have a few comments. (If @martinduke doesn't get around to these, I will do so once I've finished my post-break triage.) > -this value differs from previous packets. Ths results in two problems: +The message consists of a packet header, followed by random octets of arbitrary +length, followed by a Stateless Reset Token. + +The server SHOULD send a packet with a short header and a packet number length +of 1 octet. Using the hortest possible packet number encoding minimizes the +perceived gap between the last packet that the server sent and this packet. A +server MAY indicate a different packet number length, but a longer packet number +encoding might allow this message to be identified as a stateless reset more +easily using heuristics. + +The random octets MUST be of a length equal to at least 18 octets plus the +packet number length implied by the type field. A packet of this length +simulates a packet with a short header, the maximum-length destination +connection ID, a packet number of the appropriate length and (with the +Stateless Reset Token) an authentication trailer, with no packet payload. Yes, let's not leak that. The simple fix here is s/18/19/ > + +The server SHOULD send a packet with a short header and a packet number length +of 1 octet. Using the hortest possible packet number encoding minimizes the +perceived gap between the last packet that the server sent and this packet. A +server MAY indicate a different packet number length, but a longer packet number +encoding might allow this message to be identified as a stateless reset more +easily using heuristics. + +The random octets MUST be of a length equal to at least 18 octets plus the +packet number length implied by the type field. A packet of this length +simulates a packet with a short header, the maximum-length destination +connection ID, a packet number of the appropriate length and (with the +Stateless Reset Token) an authentication trailer, with no packet payload. + +In response to a packet with a short header, the server has no means of +determining the source connection ID and is effectively using a random one Reasonable, though make sure to state "destination connection ID" -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1328#pullrequestreview-116195942 ----==_mimepart_5ae69e3f87ac_777b2ac1b9cfaf58202557 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@martinthomson approved this pull request.

This is a fine change, though I have a few comments. (If @martinduke doesn't get around to these, I will do so once I've finished my post-break triage.)

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -this value differs from previous packets.  Ths results in two problems:
+The message consists of a packet header, followed by random octets of arbitrary
+length, followed by a Stateless Reset Token.
+
+The server SHOULD send a packet with a short header and a packet number length
+of 1 octet. Using the hortest possible packet number encoding minimizes the
+perceived gap between the last packet that the server sent and this packet.  A
+server MAY indicate a different packet number length, but a longer packet number
+encoding might allow this message to be identified as a stateless reset more
+easily using heuristics.
+
+The random octets MUST be of a length equal to at least 18 octets plus the
+packet number length implied by the type field. A packet of this length
+simulates a packet with a short header, the maximum-length destination
+connection ID, a packet number of the appropriate length and (with the
+Stateless Reset Token) an authentication trailer, with no packet payload.

Yes, let's not leak that. The simple fix here is s/18/19/

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+The server SHOULD send a packet with a short header and a packet number length
+of 1 octet. Using the hortest possible packet number encoding minimizes the
+perceived gap between the last packet that the server sent and this packet.  A
+server MAY indicate a different packet number length, but a longer packet number
+encoding might allow this message to be identified as a stateless reset more
+easily using heuristics.
+
+The random octets MUST be of a length equal to at least 18 octets plus the
+packet number length implied by the type field. A packet of this length
+simulates a packet with a short header, the maximum-length destination
+connection ID, a packet number of the appropriate length and (with the
+Stateless Reset Token) an authentication trailer, with no packet payload.
+
+In response to a packet with a short header, the server has no means of
+determining the source connection ID and is effectively using a random one

Reasonable, though make sure to state "destination connection ID"

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----==_mimepart_5ae69e3f87ac_777b2ac1b9cfaf58202557-- From nobody Sun Apr 29 21:42:40 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1507812D872 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 21:42:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y45be9RaBI3d for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 21:42:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9ADA112785F for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 21:42:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 21:42:36 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1525063356; bh=37mL7ByiUlwPB35LQLd7E3z7pRv8/PeFF2KJRmc6/eQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=x+aRvZ0Xso4xF7F8BXxka1xMe1oyD/lZcAODEURFHy+aUswWtuX05mk+gVxTnGQDK odhm4O31+9QRdS154tkDBO7w2XqrRT/JQK4ZSFMlIjizPdZLwSL4mrxUBdmZiUG2AD KLHdl/R8dZN3Pjhs1Pl4DnH7B3vkWCdXCgJNWScE= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Blocking v. Vulnerable (de572d8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ae69ebcef1c3_33b2ac154710f584799a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 04:42:39 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ae69ebcef1c3_33b2ac154710f584799a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The name of this setting might need to be SETTINGS_VULNERABLE_HEADER_REFERENCES or simply SETTINGS_VULNERABLE_REFERENCES now. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/de572d8257ca028c62a1781452ff1e40a94313d0#commitcomment-28786985 ----==_mimepart_5ae69ebcef1c3_33b2ac154710f584799a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The name of this setting might need to be SETTINGS_VULNERABLE_HEADER_REFERENCES or simply SETTINGS_VULNERABLE_REFERENCES now.

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Please don't use examples to drive definitions. "vulnerable" is an important term, it deserves a real definition.

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----==_mimepart_5ae69ef94952_4dff2ae59a280f5011485a-- From nobody Sun Apr 29 21:53:49 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 066F212D872 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 21:53:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SovWVluVaata for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 21:53:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D889412D875 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 21:53:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 21:53:45 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1525064025; bh=3UKu0xNtiKZ5Hz4GXC+kWCWQC8Sp1Ipzp+ohZat3vwY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Dg6OU6yGYbSoZHWVbCwJQr5fNPa8rtR044wVrXe4I25xUT40GLeW7vnqIat8lyros dwmLCjlUJZAg38SbS83/HWTHQyUTudGsjM6bFIMB/wIueBhTtf2S6dGrhG3lcq1Ud+ bkeY2U193fqcmiwWaJESukWO0guzwj5ojIKu6V1M= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clarify QPACK eviction races (#1237) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ae6a15949a74_3c502b05a9104f58508086"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 04:53:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ae6a15949a74_3c502b05a9104f58508086 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > +any eviction-prone entries, which are dynamic table entries that might be +evicted soon. Rather than reference an eviction-prone entry, the encoder SHOULD +emit an Indexed-Duplicate representation (see {{indexed-duplicate}}), and +reference the duplicate instead. + +To identify eviction-prone entries, the encoder can maintain a draining index, +which is the smallest absolute index in the dynamic table that it will emit a +reference for. As new entries are inserted, the encoder increments the +draining index such that the amount of free and draining space in the dyanmic +table is larger than its target threshold. + +~~~~~~~~~~ drawing + +----------------+-----------------------+------------+ + | Eviction-prone | Referenceable | Free Space | + | Entries | Entries | | + +----------------+-----------------------+------------+ The point here is not that there might be some free space (there is almost always free space because header fields are not necessarily a neat fit for the available space), but that the encoder needs to keep its hands off those entries that are close to eviction. Eviction-prone is misleading, because it implies that there is a probability of eviction. I think that this map is misleading though. There are three important classifications here: * Entries that are near eviction, such that new insertions might be blocked by outstanding references to those entries. * Entries that are recently added (i.e., those that are "vulnerable"), such that references to them might cause the receiver to block. * Other entries that are acknowledged, but not near eviction. The line between those that are "vulnerable" and acknowledged is crisp. The point here is that the line between near-eviction and merely acknowledged is fuzzy and subject to heuristics. I think that you also want to say that keeping the near-eviction index in the range of acknowledged entries will prevent perverse behaviour. If the two ever cross, you can get duplication on every header block, which causes unnecessary churn. (It's also possible to get that without the two crossing with a naive implementation, but I don't think that we need to get into that too much.) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1237#discussion_r184911335 ----==_mimepart_5ae6a15949a74_3c502b05a9104f58508086 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +any eviction-prone entries, which are dynamic table entries that might be
+evicted soon.  Rather than reference an eviction-prone entry, the encoder SHOULD
+emit an Indexed-Duplicate representation (see {{indexed-duplicate}}), and
+reference the duplicate instead.
+
+To identify eviction-prone entries, the encoder can maintain a draining index,
+which is the smallest absolute index in the dynamic table that it will emit a
+reference for.  As new entries are inserted, the encoder increments the
+draining index such that the amount of free and draining space in the dyanmic
+table is larger than its target threshold.
+
+~~~~~~~~~~  drawing
+   +----------------+-----------------------+------------+
+   | Eviction-prone |     Referenceable     | Free Space |
+   |    Entries     |        Entries        |            |
+   +----------------+-----------------------+------------+

The point here is not that there might be some free space (there is almost always free space because header fields are not necessarily a neat fit for the available space), but that the encoder needs to keep its hands off those entries that are close to eviction. Eviction-prone is misleading, because it implies that there is a probability of eviction.

I think that this map is misleading though. There are three important classifications here:

  • Entries that are near eviction, such that new insertions might be blocked by outstanding references to those entries.
  • Entries that are recently added (i.e., those that are "vulnerable"), such that references to them might cause the receiver to block.
  • Other entries that are acknowledged, but not near eviction.

The line between those that are "vulnerable" and acknowledged is crisp. The point here is that the line between near-eviction and merely acknowledged is fuzzy and subject to heuristics.

I think that you also want to say that keeping the near-eviction index in the range of acknowledged entries will prevent perverse behaviour. If the two ever cross, you can get duplication on every header block, which causes unnecessary churn. (It's also possible to get that without the two crossing with a naive implementation, but I don't think that we need to get into that too much.)

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I chose "source" and "destination" to be congruent with source and destination IP addresses. The point being that the connection ID serves an identical purpose.

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----==_mimepart_5ae6a65b71b7f_33002abc5bd6cf58469669-- From nobody Mon Apr 30 13:57:30 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1454B126BF6 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 13:57:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.606 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.606 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sUxIebeJ2EOL for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 13:57:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F1BE127078 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 13:57:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=orOqj5dFefyBtETfCA/KFUv7mGU=; b=OnSO3P1YshzRiyjm dfcNjRZwNCN4OcQDdDwE13LXuMgqGzzPC8liRkBrHpA41ASOQFRg+8AcKhh14xgs KYX6b+li4NCcV2jNToDvS7QyBj389lH2FDs99RY6UdYcUOhWIUguczbQJvdG65Nw 5Dk1wHWZG/ZIIob/A0pXib0ZyQo= Received: by filter1119p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1119p1mdw1-583-5AE78335-21 2018-04-30 20:57:26.011308953 +0000 UTC Received: from github-lowworker17-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.44]) by ismtpd0004p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 4POCnrHjSmmCS4vIhY5y0A for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 20:57:25.898 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker17-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0315BC05B7 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 13:57:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 20:57:26 +0000 (UTC) From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] per-CID PN space to avoid PN leak becoming a privacy issue? (#1317) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ae783361e09_1fb13fdc1f894f78873c9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak014TupF8vRN1R6kTOgFBxQ8SRsmzPRCkykOS jdu2lSy+iZU4Bgac6QG97AMCB+y9KPsOQKNBiLZCcmThzl7vBou7mUlmNbjgyjzAICawMeLv3UBio1 StCnoD0t611dgvuwHxRt/sVgx8ZDwrnQkdpOa76u9kt5llUvtgF8JNWLeJldi23iqwMlUnsrEU2lIW o= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 20:57:29 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ae783361e09_1fb13fdc1f894f78873c9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is certainly a plausible design, but can you explain how it prevents the key phase bit linkage issue? The key rollover is required because only so many packets can be sent with the same key. In the proposed design, all paths use the same key. Doesn't it follow that the key needs to roll at the same time on all paths? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1317#issuecomment-385526473 ----==_mimepart_5ae783361e09_1fb13fdc1f894f78873c9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This is certainly a plausible design, but can you explain how it prevent= s the key phase bit linkage issue?

The key rollover is required because only so many packets can be sent wi= th the same key. In the proposed design, all paths use the same key. Doesn'= t it follow that the key needs to roll at the same time on all paths?

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= ----==_mimepart_5ae783361e09_1fb13fdc1f894f78873c9-- From nobody Mon Apr 30 14:03:18 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E9F0127058 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 14:03:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.606 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.606 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w6goX3QPgUVW for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 14:03:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C58F126BF6 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 14:03:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 14:03:14 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1525122194; bh=5kAPZpCAQ/8d3nQxDjYGOGiam2IcuZn0T8CPKSeyung=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=wpw8IHlmRFDaqumiJAen62sfZnOsdnXdhRjytW7k3oUFUq99GiusBTMfQf1C4tBxP a1hBslXM2aM1XteR6pK+SZYwAFqRBrP+51ulNqxnGtteSX5QjZB8Ah3g8qxoDTiDzn 1pALSDjY+ACR/UDtVPW7aXQKrpftz36WNPHx/dVU= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Preventing KEY_PHASE bit from being used as a tool to correlate CIDs (#1322) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ae78492455bd_74593fa518f80f782091af"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 21:03:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ae78492455bd_74593fa518f80f782091af Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I like the idea of using migration to a new CID as an alternative to key rollover. Come to think of it, we could transmit the key phase bit as part of the NEW CONNECTION ID frame. Could even make it a key rollover sequence. But that requires allowing different paths to use different key phases. If all paths migrate to new CID at the same time, we still have leakage. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1322#issuecomment-385527956 ----==_mimepart_5ae78492455bd_74593fa518f80f782091af Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I like the idea of using migration to a new CID as an alternative to k= ey rollover. Come to think of it, we could transmit the key phase bit as = part of the NEW CONNECTION ID frame. Could even make it a key rollover se= quence. But that requires allowing different paths to use different key p= hases. If all paths migrate to new CID at the same time, we still have le= akage.

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= ----==_mimepart_5ae78492455bd_74593fa518f80f782091af-- From nobody Mon Apr 30 16:56:35 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADFBF12D7EC for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 16:56:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E5L0f9BSI7k8 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 16:56:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BCA5D127333 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 16:56:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 16:56:31 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1525132591; bh=WLKDXRBaQ4O5o/ApbUZPsYmdJSDnOAUPRfj1xnMTZ+o=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=0bT7VpAtfnmNAesl+50ymALbfctUbXYT1Qf9p7TYJt52/YeIuRH2eGzyvNBHHGD0I 2An+qrVddBuSdidwM+I4wzkG+7hvRFbqNeCyVacFu0uTfEg3eFeKG6VV4mbL00eu9P vG28mu+Xp5Z1bL+8fCbTA7N7BKvk8Cz+StO4Eq4I= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] per-CID PN space to avoid PN leak becoming a privacy issue? (#1317) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ae7ad2fc85be_55392aba11c36f54505bd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 23:56:35 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ae7ad2fc85be_55392aba11c36f54505bd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been casually considering whether to couple changing connection ID to key update. That would mean that we can't remove the sequence number from NEW_CONNECTION_ID, but it would remove the KEY_PHASE bit and accomplish the same ends as this proposes, without having to grapple with separate packet number spaces. The only problem this introduces is that with multipath you get much less coherent sequences of packet numbers as each path has different latency and loss characteristics, which might lead to ACK frames encoding less efficiently. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1317#issuecomment-385562880 ----==_mimepart_5ae7ad2fc85be_55392aba11c36f54505bd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I've been casually considering whether to couple changing connection I= D to key update. That would mean that we can't remove the sequence numbe= r from NEW_CONNECTION_ID, but it would remove the KEY_PHASE bit and accom= plish the same ends as this proposes, without having to grapple with sepa= rate packet number spaces. The only problem this introduces is that with= multipath you get much less coherent sequences of packet numbers as each= path has different latency and loss characteristics, which might lead to= ACK frames encoding less efficiently.

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That sounds like budget encryption, which I think we should avoid like the plague. See #1317 (comment) for an alternative design.

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I think multipath is likely to cause large gaps in packet number spaces or other reasons why ACK frames would be encoded less efficiently, so if that's the only negative, we should probably do this.

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----==_mimepart_5ae7b157caace_efb23fa900fa2f88966fe-- From nobody Mon Apr 30 18:06:25 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ECAA126C0F for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 18:06:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.605 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.605 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ELNP165SCzg2 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 18:06:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EFFBF120727 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 18:06:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 18:06:21 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1525136781; bh=MQPrLwsuXNZZu1pMeW3N2u/hTT8TWVlngDJeCPhWRSU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=u5CXIV3CT2BkxjGuLCnj/+VejJ7Y2/yuRsnrUaeV6IyhkCet7c8bGDWiPHuhITA9v Za1yZGd9aDUMLhAPCk21rJiOH/yJb+YTFK/oJHof2EiLTvU/VGMEz/ZkysjxGrxFaG CWC3IMg7cuMdh1cuspETdOtUh3w3eF1+PR2yM73g= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] per-CID PN space to avoid PN leak becoming a privacy issue? (#1317) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ae7bd8d223fa_52363fa51d6b0f88612fb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 May 2018 01:06:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ae7bd8d223fa_52363fa51d6b0f88612fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @huitema > This is certainly a plausible design, but can you explain how it prevents the key phase bit linkage issue? It does not. Having separate PN per CID provides resistance to side channels attacks that try to recover an encrypted PN. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1317#issuecomment-385573851 ----==_mimepart_5ae7bd8d223fa_52363fa51d6b0f88612fb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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This is certainly a plausible design, but can you explain how it preve= nts the key phase bit linkage issue?

It does not. Having separate PN per CID provides resistance to side ch= annels attacks that try to recover an encrypted PN.

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I've been casually considering whether to couple changing connection I= D to key update. That would mean that we can't remove the sequence number= from NEW_CONNECTION_ID, but it would remove the KEY_PHASE bit and accomp= lish the same ends as this proposes, without having to grapple with separ= ate packet number spaces.

Clarification question: is the proposal suggesting to require key upda= te for every new Connection ID That would mean that the endpoints need to= maintain N encryption / decryption contexts where N is the number of pat= hs, whereas the current maximum is 2.

I think that is a trade-off that we need to consider, since IIRC we di= d not favor having different encryption context per every CID in Melbourn= e.

An alternative design that does not require per-path encryption contex= t is to let the client optionally update the key as described in= #1322 (comment)).

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= ----==_mimepart_5ae7f882c8aee_48663fd73e5eef8497876-- From nobody Mon Apr 30 22:25:12 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCDBA12E881 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 22:25:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.605 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.605 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3druDiD9D03y for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 22:25:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2827C12E87F for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 22:25:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 22:25:07 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1525152307; bh=pIjhTMhbnw6qWOQt9jJ/eFF+TY5SptYpDPkdCNZBMZg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Czv8E1VHhtMKd+Hmx54x71v271OGXRhFEBIl9RdJa8F1inMzYrQeMyYZPUMJURCUQ Jp/Twj0bHVhxfk1jGYVrScF2cffwmTfVwFuOTcgfUYqtMfnyxa7B32px/w6jO6oW/z K2ld9CKcviv9Mm+cBGn71PZfElfXKq+2s4mu30GQ= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] per-CID PN space to avoid PN leak becoming a privacy issue? (#1317) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ae7fa334e2c6_489e3fd73e5eef841217cb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 May 2018 05:25:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ae7fa334e2c6_489e3fd73e5eef841217cb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, during the period that you are probing one path and using another, there would be two sets of keys in play. If we went full multipath, then we'd need one key per path. Keep in mind that a set of keys is pretty small - 44 octets plus overheads - much smaller than the amount of state you need to keep for a migration. I'm not a big fan of trial decryption, even as constrained as your suggestion would have. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1317#issuecomment-385602263 ----==_mimepart_5ae7fa334e2c6_489e3fd73e5eef841217cb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes, during the period that you are probing one path and using another= , there would be two sets of keys in play. If we went full multipath, th= en we'd need one key per path. Keep in mind that a set of keys is pretty= small - 44 octets plus overheads - much smaller than the amount of state= you need to keep for a migration.

I'm not a big fan of trial decryption, even as constrained as your sug= gestion would have.

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