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Per CID PN avoids inefficient ACK frames because a linear space per CID will lead to a few contigous blocks rather than scattered holes in the PN range due to different latency.

Per CID PN also helps making accurate congestion control per path.

As to keyphase discussed here and elsewehre - I agree that it makes sense to replace keyphase with a CID change, but make it optional to change key when CID changes and change CID no later than 2^32 - which also supports per CID PN with high bit counter per path if so desired. Since different paths likely reach their limit at different times, linkage is reduced, but a CID change can also happen probalisitically after say 2^31 packets.

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<p>Per CID PN avoids inefficient ACK frames because a linear space per CI=
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PN range due to different latency.</p>
<p>Per CID PN also helps making accurate congestion control per path.</p>=

<p>As to keyphase discussed here and elsewehre - I agree that it makes se=
nse to replace keyphase with a CID change, but make it optional to change=
 key when CID changes and change CID no later than 2^32 - which also supp=
orts per CID PN with high bit counter per path if so desired. Since diffe=
rent paths likely reach their limit at different times, linkage is reduce=
d, but a CID change can also happen probalisitically after say 2^31 packe=
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I support the idea of changing keys only when changing CID, but make it optional until the packet count reaches at most 2^32. CID change can be probalisitic after say 2^31 packets to reduce linkage.

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<p>I support the idea of changing keys only when changing CID, but make it optional until the packet count reaches at most 2^32. CID change can be probalisitic after say 2^31 packets to reduce linkage.</p>

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@martinthomson 
> One thing I've been concerned about with key update is that no one will implement it. NSS only very recently grew that capability in TLS 1.3; it's a small feature, but one that took ages to implement because there wasn't much incentive to build it. We still don't have the DTLS variant because it messes with our timers in ways that are hard to reason about.
> 
> I agree that simultaneous migration would be a mistake. Better to drive rollovers based on packet counts as @kazuho suggests. Though I think that we can probably ignore the 2<sup>62</sup> limit and throw connections away if they ever get to that point.

FWIW, picotls doesn't yet have key updates (and I wonder if I would ever implement it). Considering that, I am perfectly fine with dropping key update entirely from QUIC v1, leaving it as an issue to be solved by an extension or v2 issue.

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@kazuho I don't have the numbers fresh in memory, but if you don't do key updates, you limit yourself to a few GB of transfer, or you create a serious security violation because GCM is weak when you send too much data.

Or am I missing something about key updates?

If it isn't already stated, an endpoint should close a conneciton with protocol violation if it does not refresh keys in due time.

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@mikkelfj Thank you for the link. I have actually been looking for it. And rereading it, I agree that we need to have some form of key update in QUIC (or change PN to a 32-bit value, considering that AES-GCM is the default cipher).

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janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

This is really close. A few comments.

> @@ -908,6 +918,80 @@ the connection that is hosted on stream 0.  This sequence number is not visible
 to QUIC.
 
 
+## Packet Number Protection {#pn-encrypt}
+
+QUIC packets are protected using a key that is derived from the current set of
+secrets.  The key derived using the "pn" label is used to protect the packet
+number from casual observation.  The packet number protection algorithm depends
+on the negotiated AEAD.
+
+Packet number protection is applied after packet protection is applied (see
+{{aead}}).  The ciphertext of the packet is sampled and used as input to an
+encryption algorithm.
+
+For packets with a long header, the ciphertext starting
+immediately after the packet number is used (that is, octet 17 onwards).

+1. This needs to be fixed.

> @@ -859,6 +865,11 @@ used for QUIC packet protection is AEAD that is negotiated for use with the TLS
 connection.  For example, if TLS is using the TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256, the
 AEAD_AES_128_GCM function is used.
 
+QUIC packets are protected prior to applying packet number encryption
+({{pn-encrypt}}).  Thus, the unprotected packet number is part of the AAD.  When

s/AAD/AEAD/

> +assumed to be its largest possible length (4 octets).  Thus, for a short header,
+the sampled ciphertext starts at either octet 5 when the connection ID is
+omitted, or octet 13 when the connection is present.
+
+The protected packet might not have produced enough input for the negotiated
+packet protection algorithm.  This might happen if a packet with a short header
+contains minimal data and uses a packet number encoding that is shorter than 4
+octets.  Additional zero octets are added to the end of the sequence to reach
+the required amount of data.
+
+Before a TLS ciphersuite can be used with QUIC, a packet protection algorithm
+MUST be specifed for the AEAD used with that ciphersuite.  This document defines
+algorithms for AEAD_AES_128_GCM, AEAD_AES_128_CCM, AEAD_AES_256_GCM,
+AEAD_AES_256_CCM (all AES AEADs are defined in {{!RFC5116}}), and
+AEAD_CHACHA20_POLY1305 ({{!CHACHA=RFC7539}}).
+

Is this resolved now? Does the text below address @huitema and @kazuho 's concerns?

> @@ -345,7 +345,8 @@ Payload Length:
 Packet Number:
 
 : The Packet Number is a 32-bit field that follows the two connection IDs.
-  {{packet-numbers}} describes the use of packet numbers.
+  {{packet-numbers}} describes the use of packet numbers.  Packet numbers are
+  protected separately to the packet payload.

s/to/from/. Or is this because of Englishes?

> @@ -452,7 +453,8 @@ Destination Connection ID:
 Packet Number:
 
 : The length of the packet number field depends on the packet type.  This field
-  can be 1, 2 or 4 octets long depending on the short packet type.
+  can be 1, 2 or 4 octets long depending on the short packet type.  Packet
+  numbers are protected separate to the packet payload.

ditto. Also, "separately".

> @@ -612,8 +614,11 @@ The server includes a connection ID of its choice in the Source Connection ID
 field.  The client MUST use this connection ID in the Destination Connection ID
 of subsequent packets that it sends.
 
-The packet number field echoes the packet number field from the triggering
-client packet.
+The Packet Number field of a Retry packet MUST be set to 0.  This value is
+subsequently protected as normal. \[\[Editor's Note: This isn't ideal, because
+it creates a "cheat" where the client assumes a value.  That's a problem, so I'm
+tempted to suggest that this include any value less than 2^30 so that normal
+processing works - and can be properly exercised.]]

This also makes a client that uses a 0-length CID vulnerable to injection of an arbitrary Retry packet. 

> @@ -693,8 +696,10 @@ continue to use the same Destination Connection ID for 0-RTT packets, see
 
 The version field for protected packets is the current QUIC version.
 
-The packet number field contains a packet number, which increases with each
-packet sent, see {{packet-numbers}} for details.
+The packet number field contains a packet number, which is protected separately
+from the rest of the packet (see {{QUIC-TLS}} for details).  The underlying

You're using "separately from" here. I would make it the same in other places.

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<p><b>@janaiyengar</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<p>This is really close. A few comments.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1079#discussion_r185680023">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -908,6 +918,80 @@ the connection that is hosted on stream 0.  This sequence number is not visible
 to QUIC.
 
 
+## Packet Number Protection {#pn-encrypt}
+
+QUIC packets are protected using a key that is derived from the current set of
+secrets.  The key derived using the &quot;pn&quot; label is used to protect the packet
+number from casual observation.  The packet number protection algorithm depends
+on the negotiated AEAD.
+
+Packet number protection is applied after packet protection is applied (see
+{{aead}}).  The ciphertext of the packet is sampled and used as input to an
+encryption algorithm.
+
+For packets with a long header, the ciphertext starting
+immediately after the packet number is used (that is, octet 17 onwards).
</pre>
<p>+1. This needs to be fixed.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1079#discussion_r185680132">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -859,6 +865,11 @@ used for QUIC packet protection is AEAD that is negotiated for use with the TLS
 connection.  For example, if TLS is using the TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256, the
 AEAD_AES_128_GCM function is used.
 
+QUIC packets are protected prior to applying packet number encryption
+({{pn-encrypt}}).  Thus, the unprotected packet number is part of the AAD.  When
</pre>
<p>s/AAD/AEAD/</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1079#discussion_r185680912">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +assumed to be its largest possible length (4 octets).  Thus, for a short header,
+the sampled ciphertext starts at either octet 5 when the connection ID is
+omitted, or octet 13 when the connection is present.
+
+The protected packet might not have produced enough input for the negotiated
+packet protection algorithm.  This might happen if a packet with a short header
+contains minimal data and uses a packet number encoding that is shorter than 4
+octets.  Additional zero octets are added to the end of the sequence to reach
+the required amount of data.
+
+Before a TLS ciphersuite can be used with QUIC, a packet protection algorithm
+MUST be specifed for the AEAD used with that ciphersuite.  This document defines
+algorithms for AEAD_AES_128_GCM, AEAD_AES_128_CCM, AEAD_AES_256_GCM,
+AEAD_AES_256_CCM (all AES AEADs are defined in {{!RFC5116}}), and
+AEAD_CHACHA20_POLY1305 ({{!CHACHA=RFC7539}}).
+
</pre>
<p>Is this resolved now? Does the text below address <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-user-id="7464128" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/huitema">@huitema</a> and <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-user-id="41567" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/kazuho">@kazuho</a> 's concerns?</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1079#discussion_r185681354">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -345,7 +345,8 @@ Payload Length:
 Packet Number:
 
 : The Packet Number is a 32-bit field that follows the two connection IDs.
-  {{packet-numbers}} describes the use of packet numbers.
+  {{packet-numbers}} describes the use of packet numbers.  Packet numbers are
+  protected separately to the packet payload.
</pre>
<p>s/to/from/. Or is this because of Englishes?</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1079#discussion_r185681467">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -452,7 +453,8 @@ Destination Connection ID:
 Packet Number:
 
 : The length of the packet number field depends on the packet type.  This field
-  can be 1, 2 or 4 octets long depending on the short packet type.
+  can be 1, 2 or 4 octets long depending on the short packet type.  Packet
+  numbers are protected separate to the packet payload.
</pre>
<p>ditto. Also, "separately".</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1079#discussion_r185682655">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -612,8 +614,11 @@ The server includes a connection ID of its choice in the Source Connection ID
 field.  The client MUST use this connection ID in the Destination Connection ID
 of subsequent packets that it sends.
 
-The packet number field echoes the packet number field from the triggering
-client packet.
+The Packet Number field of a Retry packet MUST be set to 0.  This value is
+subsequently protected as normal. \[\[Editor&#39;s Note: This isn&#39;t ideal, because
+it creates a &quot;cheat&quot; where the client assumes a value.  That&#39;s a problem, so I&#39;m
+tempted to suggest that this include any value less than 2^30 so that normal
+processing works - and can be properly exercised.]]
</pre>
<p>This also makes a client that uses a 0-length CID vulnerable to injection of an arbitrary Retry packet.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1079#discussion_r185682775">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -693,8 +696,10 @@ continue to use the same Destination Connection ID for 0-RTT packets, see
 
 The version field for protected packets is the current QUIC version.
 
-The packet number field contains a packet number, which increases with each
-packet sent, see {{packet-numbers}} for details.
+The packet number field contains a packet number, which is protected separately
+from the rest of the packet (see {{QUIC-TLS}} for details).  The underlying
</pre>
<p>You're using "separately from" here. I would make it the same in other places.</p>

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> @@ -612,8 +614,11 @@ The server includes a connection ID of its choice in the Source Connection ID
 field.  The client MUST use this connection ID in the Destination Connection ID
 of subsequent packets that it sends.
 
-The packet number field echoes the packet number field from the triggering
-client packet.
+The Packet Number field of a Retry packet MUST be set to 0.  This value is
+subsequently protected as normal. \[\[Editor's Note: This isn't ideal, because
+it creates a "cheat" where the client assumes a value.  That's a problem, so I'm
+tempted to suggest that this include any value less than 2^30 so that normal
+processing works - and can be properly exercised.]]

The 0-length connection ID is only possible after the client has received a Retry, after which it will discard any Retry packets that it receives.  So I don't think so.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1079#discussion_r185687219">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -612,8 +614,11 @@ The server includes a connection ID of its choice in the Source Connection ID
 field.  The client MUST use this connection ID in the Destination Connection ID
 of subsequent packets that it sends.
 
-The packet number field echoes the packet number field from the triggering
-client packet.
+The Packet Number field of a Retry packet MUST be set to 0.  This value is
+subsequently protected as normal. \[\[Editor&#39;s Note: This isn&#39;t ideal, because
+it creates a &quot;cheat&quot; where the client assumes a value.  That&#39;s a problem, so I&#39;m
+tempted to suggest that this include any value less than 2^30 so that normal
+processing works - and can be properly exercised.]]
</pre>
<p>The 0-length connection ID is only possible after the client has received a Retry, after which it will discard any Retry packets that it receives.  So I don't think so.</p>

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> @@ -693,8 +696,10 @@ continue to use the same Destination Connection ID for 0-RTT packets, see
 
 The version field for protected packets is the current QUIC version.
 
-The packet number field contains a packet number, which increases with each
-packet sent, see {{packet-numbers}} for details.
+The packet number field contains a packet number, which is protected separately
+from the rest of the packet (see {{QUIC-TLS}} for details).  The underlying

Reworded all of these to emphasize *additional* confidentiality protection, rather than *separateness*, which is a tiny bit misleading.  That also neatly avoids the to/from/than problems I seem to have.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1079#discussion_r185687404">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -693,8 +696,10 @@ continue to use the same Destination Connection ID for 0-RTT packets, see
 
 The version field for protected packets is the current QUIC version.
 
-The packet number field contains a packet number, which increases with each
-packet sent, see {{packet-numbers}} for details.
+The packet number field contains a packet number, which is protected separately
+from the rest of the packet (see {{QUIC-TLS}} for details).  The underlying
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<p>Reworded all of these to emphasize <em>additional</em> confidentiality protection, rather than <em>separateness</em>, which is a tiny bit misleading.  That also neatly avoids the to/from/than problems I seem to have.</p>

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> @@ -859,6 +865,11 @@ used for QUIC packet protection is AEAD that is negotiated for use with the TLS
 connection.  For example, if TLS is using the TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256, the
 AEAD_AES_128_GCM function is used.
 
+QUIC packets are protected prior to applying packet number encryption
+({{pn-encrypt}}).  Thus, the unprotected packet number is part of the AAD.  When

AAD is correct, but it's not clear and it's the first use of AAD, so I have reworded to use consistent terminology.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1079#discussion_r185687488">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -859,6 +865,11 @@ used for QUIC packet protection is AEAD that is negotiated for use with the TLS
 connection.  For example, if TLS is using the TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256, the
 AEAD_AES_128_GCM function is used.
 
+QUIC packets are protected prior to applying packet number encryption
+({{pn-encrypt}}).  Thus, the unprotected packet number is part of the AAD.  When
</pre>
<p>AAD is correct, but it's not clear and it's the first use of AAD, so I have reworded to use consistent terminology.</p>

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> +assumed to be its largest possible length (4 octets).  Thus, for a short header,
+the sampled ciphertext starts at either octet 5 when the connection ID is
+omitted, or octet 13 when the connection is present.
+
+The protected packet might not have produced enough input for the negotiated
+packet protection algorithm.  This might happen if a packet with a short header
+contains minimal data and uses a packet number encoding that is shorter than 4
+octets.  Additional zero octets are added to the end of the sequence to reach
+the required amount of data.
+
+Before a TLS ciphersuite can be used with QUIC, a packet protection algorithm
+MUST be specifed for the AEAD used with that ciphersuite.  This document defines
+algorithms for AEAD_AES_128_GCM, AEAD_AES_128_CCM, AEAD_AES_256_GCM,
+AEAD_AES_256_CCM (all AES AEADs are defined in {{!RFC5116}}), and
+AEAD_CHACHA20_POLY1305 ({{!CHACHA=RFC7539}}).
+

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1079#discussion_r185687626">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +assumed to be its largest possible length (4 octets).  Thus, for a short header,
+the sampled ciphertext starts at either octet 5 when the connection ID is
+omitted, or octet 13 when the connection is present.
+
+The protected packet might not have produced enough input for the negotiated
+packet protection algorithm.  This might happen if a packet with a short header
+contains minimal data and uses a packet number encoding that is shorter than 4
+octets.  Additional zero octets are added to the end of the sequence to reach
+the required amount of data.
+
+Before a TLS ciphersuite can be used with QUIC, a packet protection algorithm
+MUST be specifed for the AEAD used with that ciphersuite.  This document defines
+algorithms for AEAD_AES_128_GCM, AEAD_AES_128_CCM, AEAD_AES_256_GCM,
+AEAD_AES_256_CCM (all AES AEADs are defined in {{!RFC5116}}), and
+AEAD_CHACHA20_POLY1305 ({{!CHACHA=RFC7539}}).
+
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<p>I believe so.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/pn-encrypt
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nibanks commented on this pull request.



> +## Packet Number Protection {#pn-encrypt}
+
+QUIC packets are protected using a key that is derived from the current set of
+secrets.  The key derived using the "pn" label is used to protect the packet
+number from casual observation.  The packet number protection algorithm depends
+on the negotiated AEAD.
+
+Packet number protection is applied after packet protection is applied (see
+{{aead}}).  The ciphertext of the packet is sampled and used as input to an
+encryption algorithm.
+
+For packets with a long header, the ciphertext starting immediately after the
+packet number is used.
+
+For packets with a short header, the packet number length is not known before
+decryption, so it is assumed to be the smaller of the maximum possible packet

I'm a bit confused. Why is the packet number length not known before hand? Doesn't the short packet header still indicate the length?

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<p><b>@nibanks</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1079#discussion_r185688542">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +## Packet Number Protection {#pn-encrypt}
+
+QUIC packets are protected using a key that is derived from the current set of
+secrets.  The key derived using the &quot;pn&quot; label is used to protect the packet
+number from casual observation.  The packet number protection algorithm depends
+on the negotiated AEAD.
+
+Packet number protection is applied after packet protection is applied (see
+{{aead}}).  The ciphertext of the packet is sampled and used as input to an
+encryption algorithm.
+
+For packets with a long header, the ciphertext starting immediately after the
+packet number is used.
+
+For packets with a short header, the packet number length is not known before
+decryption, so it is assumed to be the smaller of the maximum possible packet
</pre>
<p>I'm a bit confused. Why is the packet number length not known before hand? Doesn't the short packet header still indicate the length?</p>

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> +## Packet Number Protection {#pn-encrypt}
+
+QUIC packets are protected using a key that is derived from the current set of
+secrets.  The key derived using the "pn" label is used to protect the packet
+number from casual observation.  The packet number protection algorithm depends
+on the negotiated AEAD.
+
+Packet number protection is applied after packet protection is applied (see
+{{aead}}).  The ciphertext of the packet is sampled and used as input to an
+encryption algorithm.
+
+For packets with a long header, the ciphertext starting immediately after the
+packet number is used.
+
+For packets with a short header, the packet number length is not known before
+decryption, so it is assumed to be the smaller of the maximum possible packet

This is in preparation for going to varint packet numbers.  It would need a complete rewrite if this assumption were lifted.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1079#discussion_r185689008">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +## Packet Number Protection {#pn-encrypt}
+
+QUIC packets are protected using a key that is derived from the current set of
+secrets.  The key derived using the &quot;pn&quot; label is used to protect the packet
+number from casual observation.  The packet number protection algorithm depends
+on the negotiated AEAD.
+
+Packet number protection is applied after packet protection is applied (see
+{{aead}}).  The ciphertext of the packet is sampled and used as input to an
+encryption algorithm.
+
+For packets with a long header, the ciphertext starting immediately after the
+packet number is used.
+
+For packets with a short header, the packet number length is not known before
+decryption, so it is assumed to be the smaller of the maximum possible packet
</pre>
<p>This is in preparation for going to varint packet numbers.  It would need a complete rewrite if this assumption were lifted.</p>

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nibanks commented on this pull request.



> +## Packet Number Protection {#pn-encrypt}
+
+QUIC packets are protected using a key that is derived from the current set of
+secrets.  The key derived using the "pn" label is used to protect the packet
+number from casual observation.  The packet number protection algorithm depends
+on the negotiated AEAD.
+
+Packet number protection is applied after packet protection is applied (see
+{{aead}}).  The ciphertext of the packet is sampled and used as input to an
+encryption algorithm.
+
+For packets with a long header, the ciphertext starting immediately after the
+packet number is used.
+
+For packets with a short header, the packet number length is not known before
+decryption, so it is assumed to be the smaller of the maximum possible packet

But this PR doesn't change the short header to use varint packet numbers... unless I missed something. Assuming I didn't, it looks like one of three things need to happen then:

1. An additional PR that changes short headers to varint packet numbers needs to be merged first, and then this rebased on that.
2. This PR should also change the short headers to varint packet numbers.
3. This PR should be written to the current format of short header packet numbers.

If we are going to do it, I don't see why we don't just do (2) right now. Do you expect that to be a huge change?

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1079#discussion_r185689487">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +## Packet Number Protection {#pn-encrypt}
+
+QUIC packets are protected using a key that is derived from the current set of
+secrets.  The key derived using the &quot;pn&quot; label is used to protect the packet
+number from casual observation.  The packet number protection algorithm depends
+on the negotiated AEAD.
+
+Packet number protection is applied after packet protection is applied (see
+{{aead}}).  The ciphertext of the packet is sampled and used as input to an
+encryption algorithm.
+
+For packets with a long header, the ciphertext starting immediately after the
+packet number is used.
+
+For packets with a short header, the packet number length is not known before
+decryption, so it is assumed to be the smaller of the maximum possible packet
</pre>
<p>But this PR doesn't change the short header to use varint packet numbers... unless I missed something. Assuming I didn't, it looks like one of three things need to happen then:</p>
<ol>
<li>An additional PR that changes short headers to varint packet numbers needs to be merged first, and then this rebased on that.</li>
<li>This PR should also change the short headers to varint packet numbers.</li>
<li>This PR should be written to the current format of short header packet numbers.</li>
</ol>
<p>If we are going to do it, I don't see why we don't just do (2) right now. Do you expect that to be a huge change?</p>

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> @@ -612,8 +614,11 @@ The server includes a connection ID of its choice in the Source Connection ID
 field.  The client MUST use this connection ID in the Destination Connection ID
 of subsequent packets that it sends.
 
-The packet number field echoes the packet number field from the triggering
-client packet.
+The Packet Number field of a Retry packet MUST be set to 0.  This value is
+subsequently protected as normal. \[\[Editor's Note: This isn't ideal, because
+it creates a "cheat" where the client assumes a value.  That's a problem, so I'm
+tempted to suggest that this include any value less than 2^30 so that normal
+processing works - and can be properly exercised.]]

Right, of course.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1079#discussion_r185691320">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -612,8 +614,11 @@ The server includes a connection ID of its choice in the Source Connection ID
 field.  The client MUST use this connection ID in the Destination Connection ID
 of subsequent packets that it sends.
 
-The packet number field echoes the packet number field from the triggering
-client packet.
+The Packet Number field of a Retry packet MUST be set to 0.  This value is
+subsequently protected as normal. \[\[Editor&#39;s Note: This isn&#39;t ideal, because
+it creates a &quot;cheat&quot; where the client assumes a value.  That&#39;s a problem, so I&#39;m
+tempted to suggest that this include any value less than 2^30 so that normal
+processing works - and can be properly exercised.]]
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> +## Packet Number Protection {#pn-encrypt}
+
+QUIC packets are protected using a key that is derived from the current set of
+secrets.  The key derived using the "pn" label is used to protect the packet
+number from casual observation.  The packet number protection algorithm depends
+on the negotiated AEAD.
+
+Packet number protection is applied after packet protection is applied (see
+{{aead}}).  The ciphertext of the packet is sampled and used as input to an
+encryption algorithm.
+
+For packets with a long header, the ciphertext starting immediately after the
+packet number is used.
+
+For packets with a short header, the packet number length is not known before
+decryption, so it is assumed to be the smaller of the maximum possible packet

Given where this PR is right now, given that the chairs have green-lighted this, and given that we're unicorning, I recommend landing this PR as is. Nick, can you open an issue to track this editorial issue, so that it doesn't get dropped?

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<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1079#discussion_r185691737">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +## Packet Number Protection {#pn-encrypt}
+
+QUIC packets are protected using a key that is derived from the current set of
+secrets.  The key derived using the &quot;pn&quot; label is used to protect the packet
+number from casual observation.  The packet number protection algorithm depends
+on the negotiated AEAD.
+
+Packet number protection is applied after packet protection is applied (see
+{{aead}}).  The ciphertext of the packet is sampled and used as input to an
+encryption algorithm.
+
+For packets with a long header, the ciphertext starting immediately after the
+packet number is used.
+
+For packets with a short header, the packet number length is not known before
+decryption, so it is assumed to be the smaller of the maximum possible packet
</pre>
<p>Given where this PR is right now, given that the chairs have green-lighted this, and given that we're unicorning, I recommend landing this PR as is. Nick, can you open an issue to track this editorial issue, so that it doesn't get dropped?</p>

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nibanks commented on this pull request.



> +## Packet Number Protection {#pn-encrypt}
+
+QUIC packets are protected using a key that is derived from the current set of
+secrets.  The key derived using the "pn" label is used to protect the packet
+number from casual observation.  The packet number protection algorithm depends
+on the negotiated AEAD.
+
+Packet number protection is applied after packet protection is applied (see
+{{aead}}).  The ciphertext of the packet is sampled and used as input to an
+encryption algorithm.
+
+For packets with a long header, the ciphertext starting immediately after the
+packet number is used.
+
+For packets with a short header, the packet number length is not known before
+decryption, so it is assumed to be the smaller of the maximum possible packet

I can open an issue, no problem. But we have waited and discussed all this time to ensure we get a good solution. Can't we take a bit longer just to iron out the details and get a complete solution merged all at once? It should be trivial enough to change the short header packet number encoding to varints.

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<p><b>@nibanks</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1079#discussion_r185692450">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +## Packet Number Protection {#pn-encrypt}
+
+QUIC packets are protected using a key that is derived from the current set of
+secrets.  The key derived using the &quot;pn&quot; label is used to protect the packet
+number from casual observation.  The packet number protection algorithm depends
+on the negotiated AEAD.
+
+Packet number protection is applied after packet protection is applied (see
+{{aead}}).  The ciphertext of the packet is sampled and used as input to an
+encryption algorithm.
+
+For packets with a long header, the ciphertext starting immediately after the
+packet number is used.
+
+For packets with a short header, the packet number length is not known before
+decryption, so it is assumed to be the smaller of the maximum possible packet
</pre>
<p>I can open an issue, no problem. But we have waited and discussed all this time to ensure we get a good solution. Can't we take a bit longer just to iron out the details and get a complete solution merged all at once? It should be trivial enough to change the short header packet number encoding to varints.</p>

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> +## Packet Number Protection {#pn-encrypt}
+
+QUIC packets are protected using a key that is derived from the current set of
+secrets.  The key derived using the "pn" label is used to protect the packet
+number from casual observation.  The packet number protection algorithm depends
+on the negotiated AEAD.
+
+Packet number protection is applied after packet protection is applied (see
+{{aead}}).  The ciphertext of the packet is sampled and used as input to an
+encryption algorithm.
+
+For packets with a long header, the ciphertext starting immediately after the
+packet number is used.
+
+For packets with a short header, the packet number length is not known before
+decryption, so it is assumed to be the smaller of the maximum possible packet

I have fixed the incorrect statement, but left the design unchanged.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1079#discussion_r185694920">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +## Packet Number Protection {#pn-encrypt}
+
+QUIC packets are protected using a key that is derived from the current set of
+secrets.  The key derived using the &quot;pn&quot; label is used to protect the packet
+number from casual observation.  The packet number protection algorithm depends
+on the negotiated AEAD.
+
+Packet number protection is applied after packet protection is applied (see
+{{aead}}).  The ciphertext of the packet is sampled and used as input to an
+encryption algorithm.
+
+For packets with a long header, the ciphertext starting immediately after the
+packet number is used.
+
+For packets with a short header, the packet number length is not known before
+decryption, so it is assumed to be the smaller of the maximum possible packet
</pre>
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Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 23018d: Initial cut at packet number encryption
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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 23018df88dccf39f1af4ebdfa3c8bbed02354769
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/23018df88dccf39f1af4ebdfa3c8bbed02354769
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-04-25 (Wed, 25 Apr 2018)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Initial cut at packet number encryption

This is a little rough, but I think that the bones are here.

I know that we discussed removing short packet types in favor of putting the
lengths under encryption.  I will do that separately, just to keep the size of
this changeset to something more manageable.


  Commit: 41196efd08bd194cba92678ec06cc8bc06914965
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/41196efd08bd194cba92678ec06cc8bc06914965
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-04-25 (Wed, 25 Apr 2018)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md

  Log Message:
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  Constant time

This is pretty onerous, so I'd like to see if people think that this is
acceptable.  The cost is that all packets need to have their AEAD run the whole
way through.  The gain is that there will be no side-channels for attackers to exploit.


  Commit: 1d6b9793138a03b0ec93bd86199c375a5179403b
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1d6b9793138a03b0ec93bd86199c375a5179403b
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-04-25 (Wed, 25 Apr 2018)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md

  Log Message:
  -----------
  That was a little unclear on a re-read


  Commit: 16b663ae1bdef3bcd8ac90c967b3cac7ebded4f8
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/16b663ae1bdef3bcd8ac90c967b3cac7ebded4f8
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-04-25 (Wed, 25 Apr 2018)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md

  Log Message:
  -----------
  That was a little unclear on a re-read, again


  Commit: 1ea1ae5bf6d2784399805ee9a397bbbecc9eb645
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1ea1ae5bf6d2784399805ee9a397bbbecc9eb645
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-04-25 (Wed, 25 Apr 2018)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md

  Log Message:
  -----------
  More tweaking (I have to stop this)


  Commit: 232572553a97191ddf55f025486b0051c5598491
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/232572553a97191ddf55f025486b0051c5598491
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-04-25 (Wed, 25 Apr 2018)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Some fairly obvious errors


  Commit: 86f262d5ea72c250d2806b8145e8b2d6a4d3f207
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/86f262d5ea72c250d2806b8145e8b2d6a4d3f207
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-04-25 (Wed, 25 Apr 2018)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md

  Log Message:
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  Don't mess with ChaCha20, use it directly


  Commit: 1aec4b0936d3e30964eaeb05a17218fee76585c7
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1aec4b0936d3e30964eaeb05a17218fee76585c7
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-04-25 (Wed, 25 Apr 2018)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md

  Log Message:
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  Fix off-by-one error


  Commit: a5a6df0d111aba0dbd395e21c3b6421c425c57c7
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a5a6df0d111aba0dbd395e21c3b6421c425c57c7
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-04-25 (Wed, 25 Apr 2018)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md

  Log Message:
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  Two *different* packet numbers


  Commit: e641b72665393e49fa3d1d9a7292914c74fda09b
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e641b72665393e49fa3d1d9a7292914c74fda09b
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-04-25 (Wed, 25 Apr 2018)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md

  Log Message:
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  Remove repetition


  Commit: 379102013dda2655eb7b68304c7892794dc51996
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/379102013dda2655eb7b68304c7892794dc51996
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-04-25 (Wed, 25 Apr 2018)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md

  Log Message:
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  Take and rework suggestions by @cwood


  Commit: 0f3c970169c9a2c20e7b61509f979f731d303f7c
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0f3c970169c9a2c20e7b61509f979f731d303f7c
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-04-25 (Wed, 25 Apr 2018)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md

  Log Message:
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  Just use AES-CTR


  Commit: 0c54fbf0e1cbcb5d094d86fe649273f7ae5d8d45
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0c54fbf0e1cbcb5d094d86fe649273f7ae5d8d45
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-04-25 (Wed, 25 Apr 2018)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
  -----------
  Make the order of operations clearer.


  Commit: f163e2ab2fbd7064a01e76a06b999f80a11b5c9b
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f163e2ab2fbd7064a01e76a06b999f80a11b5c9b
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-04-25 (Wed, 25 Apr 2018)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Revert unnecessary change


  Commit: d6d9837d685d3de4d035a78fa7c99bc03e99e8ba
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d6d9837d685d3de4d035a78fa7c99bc03e99e8ba
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-04-25 (Wed, 25 Apr 2018)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Restore some of the endpoint-agnosticism that got lost in rebasing


  Commit: a1c4d41f7110eedb5536bab02b1d927cc01b68c8
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a1c4d41f7110eedb5536bab02b1d927cc01b68c8
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-04-25 (Wed, 25 Apr 2018)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Grammar boobo


  Commit: 8e7540f9ace4075ad0a3886944779b6ad8039958
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8e7540f9ace4075ad0a3886944779b6ad8039958
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-05-03 (Thu, 03 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Addressing nits from final review


  Commit: 947db7f42e392d3db77d6ee68ef7f4c0d74a6247
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/947db7f42e392d3db77d6ee68ef7f4c0d74a6247
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-05-03 (Thu, 03 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md

  Log Message:
  -----------
  Remove confusion without changing the design


  Commit: f4b52838e0d96675707f2756a8b9ba0ea1e9a579
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f4b52838e0d96675707f2756a8b9ba0ea1e9a579
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-05-03 (Thu, 03 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #1079 from quicwg/pn-encrypt

Packet number encryption


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Related: @britram, did you push the draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp-00 tag?  I fetched tags but it's not there.

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#1079 landed (and there was much.. rejoicing?), which means it's my turn =
on this one now. =


I'd like to discuss the proposal briefly before proposing text:

First, it does not appear to me that anyone other than the endpoint needs=
 to know the offset of the protected payload in short headers. Therefore,=
 encryption can work as:

```
encrypted_pn =3D AES-CTR(pn_key, sample, varint_encode(packet_number, enc=
oded_length))
```

or

```
encrypted_pn =3D ChaCha20(pn_key, counter, nonce, varint_encode(packet_nu=
mber, encoded_length))
```

where `varint_encode` takes a plaintext packet number and a target encode=
d length (1, 2, or 4 bytes), and is to be described in section 4.8 of -tr=
ansport. (For purposes of the text, I'd probably leave what's in -tls as-=
is, and make it clear that the plaintext `packet_number` is varint-encode=
d "as described in section 4.8 of -transport").

Decryption would then decrypt a max-length (4 byte) packet number, then d=
iscard trailing bytes of the plaintext=C5=93 based on the varint bits in =
the first byte of the plaintext. (This works with AES-CTR; I'm less famil=
iar with ChaCha20 but I presume it works there too.) This implies that an=
 endpoint must decrypt the packet number before knowing where to start de=
crypting the payload; does this raise additional issues?

Second, I agree with @martinthomson that varint 0x11 (uint62) packet numb=
ers are not helpful.

Third, I'd propose *not* to varint-encode packet numbers in the long head=
er. This is a _little_ messy, in that long headers now have completely di=
fferent PN parsing/unparsing code, but reducing the entropy by two bits s=
eems like a higher price to pay.

Comments?



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<p><a class=3D"issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text=3D"Failed to loa=
d issue title" data-id=3D"292292680" data-permission-text=3D"Issue title =
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ed (and there was much.. rejoicing?), which means it's my turn on this on=
e now.</p>
<p>I'd like to discuss the proposal briefly before proposing text:</p>
<p>First, it does not appear to me that anyone other than the endpoint ne=
eds to know the offset of the protected payload in short headers. Therefo=
re, encryption can work as:</p>
<pre><code>encrypted_pn =3D AES-CTR(pn_key, sample, varint_encode(packet_=
number, encoded_length))
</code></pre>
<p>or</p>
<pre><code>encrypted_pn =3D ChaCha20(pn_key, counter, nonce, varint_encod=
e(packet_number, encoded_length))
</code></pre>
<p>where <code>varint_encode</code> takes a plaintext packet number and a=
 target encoded length (1, 2, or 4 bytes), and is to be described in sect=
ion 4.8 of -transport. (For purposes of the text, I'd probably leave what=
's in -tls as-is, and make it clear that the plaintext <code>packet_numbe=
r</code> is varint-encoded "as described in section 4.8 of -transport").<=
/p>
<p>Decryption would then decrypt a max-length (4 byte) packet number, the=
n discard trailing bytes of the plaintext=C5=93 based on the varint bits =
in the first byte of the plaintext. (This works with AES-CTR; I'm less fa=
miliar with ChaCha20 but I presume it works there too.) This implies that=
 an endpoint must decrypt the packet number before knowing where to start=
 decrypting the payload; does this raise additional issues?</p>
<p>Second, I agree with <a class=3D"user-mention" data-hovercard-user-id=3D=
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/a> that varint 0x11 (uint62) packet numbers are not helpful.</p>
<p>Third, I'd propose <em>not</em> to varint-encode packet numbers in the=
 long header. This is a <em>little</em> messy, in that long headers now h=
ave completely different PN parsing/unparsing code, but reducing the entr=
opy by two bits seems like a higher price to pay.</p>
<p>Comments?</p>

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Some recent chatter regarding SETTINGS extension  problems in H2 implementations got me thinking that the horse may have already bolted there. However, is there an opportunity to put something in place for HTTP/QUIC? This might just be reserving code points in settings or frame types to ensure they are ignored without issue.

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<p>Some recent chatter regarding SETTINGS extension  problems in H2 implementations got me thinking that the horse may have already bolted there. However, is there an opportunity to put something in place for HTTP/QUIC? This might just be reserving code points in settings or frame types to ensure they are ignored without issue.</p>

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One thing that I've been concerned about here is that the typical varint decoder won't work in this case.  A typical varint decoder consumes bytes and returns a 64-bit value. Here, you have to also track how many bytes were consumed so that you know how many bits to use.  So you need a bespoke parser, or to modify your generic parser to return size as well as the value.  Then you need an error check in case you get the 8 octet value out.

I ran a test with an encoding that looks like this: 0 followed by 7 bits; 10 followed by 14 bits; and 11 followed by 22 bits.  That performed noticeably worse than the standard varint code for random 22 bit values.  The problem was the 3 byte value; changing to a 4 byte value made the encoder considerably faster instead.  That leads me to suggest that we at least consider: 0 followed by 7 bits; 10 followed by 14 bits; and 11 followed by 30 bits.

Think of the ChaCha PN encrypt as CTR mode - it's almost identical, apart from some differences in the API.

I agree re: the long header.


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<p>One thing that I've been concerned about here is that the typical vari=
nt decoder won't work in this case.  A typical varint decoder consumes by=
tes and returns a 64-bit value. Here, you have to also track how many byt=
es were consumed so that you know how many bits to use.  So you need a be=
spoke parser, or to modify your generic parser to return size as well as =
the value.  Then you need an error check in case you get the 8 octet valu=
e out.</p>
<p>I ran a test with an encoding that looks like this: 0 followed by 7 bi=
ts; 10 followed by 14 bits; and 11 followed by 22 bits.  That performed n=
oticeably worse than the standard varint code for random 22 bit values.  =
The problem was the 3 byte value; changing to a 4 byte value made the enc=
oder considerably faster instead.  That leads me to suggest that we at le=
ast consider: 0 followed by 7 bits; 10 followed by 14 bits; and 11 follow=
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<p>Think of the ChaCha PN encrypt as CTR mode - it's almost identical, ap=
art from some differences in the API.</p>
<p>I agree re: the long header.</p>

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> That leads me to suggest that we at least consider: 0 followed by 7 bits; 10 followed by 14 bits; and 11 followed by 30 bits. 

Since the parser needs to be bespoke *anyway*, and there are indeed situations in which a 7 bit packet number is twice as useful as a six-bit one, I can write this up and we can have something concrete to argue about.

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Initial attempt at adding variable-length-ness to encrypted packet numbers, addressing #989. The encoding here is header-type-dependent, and inspired-by-but-not-compatible-with varint encoding.

This also assigns the two bits recovered from the short header Type field to experimentation.
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  * First pass at varint packet numbers

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    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (7)
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (58)

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<p>Initial attempt at adding variable-length-ness to encrypted packet numbers, addressing <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="279338795" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/989" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/989">#989</a>. The encoding here is header-type-dependent, and inspired-by-but-not-compatible-with varint encoding.</p>
<p>This also assigns the two bits recovered from the short header Type field to experimentation.</p>

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Now that #1079 has been merged, and assuming that we would not have per-CID PN, let me propose another simple solution: never update PN protection key throughout the connection, and define the generation of payload protection key as _PN mod 2<sup>32</sup>_.

Since the sample used for PNE is 128 bits long, I would assume (or hope) that we can encrypt 2<sup>62</sup> packet numbers using a single key. In other words, there is no need to update the PN protection key. Then, we can use the value of the decrypted PN to determine the key generation of the payload protection key.

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@martinthomson 
> Yes, during the period that you are probing one path and using another, there would be two sets of keys in play. If we went full multipath, then we'd need one key per path. Keep in mind that a set of keys is pretty small - 44 octets plus overheads - much smaller than the amount of state you need to keep for a migration.
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> I'm not a big fan of trial decryption, even as constrained as your suggestion would have.

I personally agree that using separate encryption keys makes sense if we decide to have separate PN space per CID.

OTOH, as suggested in https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1322#issuecomment-386290369, I now think we might have a very simple solution _if_ we decide to continue using unified PN space.

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there would be two sets of keys in play. If we went full multipath, then we=
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PLPMTUD section contains the statement:

> The PADDING frame provides a useful option for PMTU probe packets that does not exist in other transports. PADDING frames generate acknowledgements, but their content need not be delivered reliably.

Elsewhere the document reiterates the fact that A PADDING frame has no content. 

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<p>PLPMTUD section contains the statement:</p>
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<p>The PADDING frame provides a useful option for PMTU probe packets that does not exist in other transports. PADDING frames generate acknowledgements, but their content need not be delivered reliably.</p>
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<p>Elsewhere the document reiterates the fact that A PADDING frame has no content.</p>

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I think this would be a good idea. As background, we recently discovered
that some HTTP/2 client send a GOAWAY if the receive a SETTING for a
codepoint they do not understand. This is impacting the deployment of
WebSockets over HTTP/2. I think we should Grease All The Things (TM) and
HTTP SETTINGS seems like a fine place. Hopefully we can also do this in
HTTP/2 (and perhaps this should be spec'd at the HTTP level.)


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I like that proposal. It makes key rotation straightforward, and it foes solve the phase bit leakage issue.

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<p>I like that proposal. It makes key rotation straightforward, and it foes solve the phase bit leakage issue.</p>

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I agree with your and Martin's points and will take a look at the PR.

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<p>I agree with your and Martin's points and will take a look at the PR.</p>

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To be clear, I'm not against a h2 equivalent but think that would need to be in some document that builds on it, whereas this is an opportunity to get it into the the base draft and exercise the behviour in implementations from day 1.

Also, it is not just the reservation of codepoints of description of the process. h2 and hq vary slightly in their approach to SETTINGS, for example.

I'm not sure if it can be spec'd to the HTTP semantic level, these seem more like version-specific syntax checks to me.

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That could work. There is an on path attack where large packet numbers are skipped to expend resources on frequent rekeying, so perhaps som text to guard against this - notably in relation to optimistic ACK packet skipping. I was considering switching between CID's instead of skipping packets - but that is no good if the ACK doesn't care about the path and PN's have one linear space.

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Instead of encrypting more than the packet number the encrypted packet number could be placed under authenticated data and encrypted at its exact length. Decryption is a simple xor operation so the PN can be decrypted at length 4 resulting in trailing garbage but the decrypted data is not stored inside the buffer, so it doesn't matter.

The current proposal, but PNE, and subsequent varlength, requires that the buffer be updated before AEAD can be applied.

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ianswett commented on this pull request.

I think this largely looks good, but I want to be sure we're ok with expanding the experimentation space before we land that part.

> @@ -439,12 +439,8 @@ Google QUIC Demultipexing Bit:
 
 Reserved:
 
-: The sixth bit (0x4) of octet 0 is reserved for experimentation.
-
-Short Packet Type:
-
-: The remaining 2 bits of octet 0 include one of 4 packet types.
-  {{short-packet-types}} lists the types that are defined for short packets.
+: The sixth, seventh, and eighth bits (0x7) of octet 0 are reserved for
+experimentation.

I don't personally object to this, but does this have consensus in the WG?

> +In the long packet header, the least significant 32 bits are used. In the
+short packet header, the number of significant bits are encoded in the most
+significant two bits of the first octet of the encoded packet number:
+
+| First octet pattern | Encoded Length | Bits Present |
+|:--------------------|:---------------|:-------------|
+| 0b0xxxxxxx          | 1 octet        | 7            |
+| 0b10xxxxxx          | 2              | 14           |
+| 0b11xxxxxx          | 4              | 30           |
+
+Note that these encodings are similar to those in {{integer-encoding}}, but
+use different values.
+
+The encoded packet number is protected as described in Section 5.6 {{QUIC-TLS}}.
+Protection of the packet number is removed prior to recovering the full packet
+number.The full packet number is reconstructed at the receiver based on the

Add a space between the ".' and "The"

> +short packet header, the number of significant bits are encoded in the most
+significant two bits of the first octet of the encoded packet number:
+
+| First octet pattern | Encoded Length | Bits Present |
+|:--------------------|:---------------|:-------------|
+| 0b0xxxxxxx          | 1 octet        | 7            |
+| 0b10xxxxxx          | 2              | 14           |
+| 0b11xxxxxx          | 4              | 30           |
+
+Note that these encodings are similar to those in {{integer-encoding}}, but
+use different values.
+
+The encoded packet number is protected as described in Section 5.6 {{QUIC-TLS}}.
+Protection of the packet number is removed prior to recovering the full packet
+number.The full packet number is reconstructed at the receiver based on the
+value of the most significant two bits in the first octet (to determine the

This sentence is a bit confusing, I think the PN is decoded based on the number of significant bits and the number those significant bits encode.  Saying it's based on the value of the first two bits more of a wire format detail I don't think needs to be in this sentence.

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<p><b>@ianswett</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<p>I think this largely looks good, but I want to be sure we're ok with expanding the experimentation space before we land that part.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1334#discussion_r185866406">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -439,12 +439,8 @@ Google QUIC Demultipexing Bit:
 
 Reserved:
 
-: The sixth bit (0x4) of octet 0 is reserved for experimentation.
-
-Short Packet Type:
-
-: The remaining 2 bits of octet 0 include one of 4 packet types.
-  {{short-packet-types}} lists the types that are defined for short packets.
+: The sixth, seventh, and eighth bits (0x7) of octet 0 are reserved for
+experimentation.
</pre>
<p>I don't personally object to this, but does this have consensus in the WG?</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1334#discussion_r185867310">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +In the long packet header, the least significant 32 bits are used. In the
+short packet header, the number of significant bits are encoded in the most
+significant two bits of the first octet of the encoded packet number:
+
+| First octet pattern | Encoded Length | Bits Present |
+|:--------------------|:---------------|:-------------|
+| 0b0xxxxxxx          | 1 octet        | 7            |
+| 0b10xxxxxx          | 2              | 14           |
+| 0b11xxxxxx          | 4              | 30           |
+
+Note that these encodings are similar to those in {{integer-encoding}}, but
+use different values.
+
+The encoded packet number is protected as described in Section 5.6 {{QUIC-TLS}}.
+Protection of the packet number is removed prior to recovering the full packet
+number.The full packet number is reconstructed at the receiver based on the
</pre>
<p>Add a space between the ".' and "The"</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1334#discussion_r185867968">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +short packet header, the number of significant bits are encoded in the most
+significant two bits of the first octet of the encoded packet number:
+
+| First octet pattern | Encoded Length | Bits Present |
+|:--------------------|:---------------|:-------------|
+| 0b0xxxxxxx          | 1 octet        | 7            |
+| 0b10xxxxxx          | 2              | 14           |
+| 0b11xxxxxx          | 4              | 30           |
+
+Note that these encodings are similar to those in {{integer-encoding}}, but
+use different values.
+
+The encoded packet number is protected as described in Section 5.6 {{QUIC-TLS}}.
+Protection of the packet number is removed prior to recovering the full packet
+number.The full packet number is reconstructed at the receiver based on the
+value of the most significant two bits in the first octet (to determine the
</pre>
<p>This sentence is a bit confusing, I think the PN is decoded based on the number of significant bits and the number those significant bits encode.  Saying it's based on the value of the first two bits more of a wire format detail I don't think needs to be in this sentence.</p>

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britram commented on this pull request.



> @@ -439,12 +439,8 @@ Google QUIC Demultipexing Bit:
 
 Reserved:
 
-: The sixth bit (0x4) of octet 0 is reserved for experimentation.
-
-Short Packet Type:
-
-: The remaining 2 bits of octet 0 include one of 4 packet types.
-  {{short-packet-types}} lists the types that are defined for short packets.
+: The sixth, seventh, and eighth bits (0x7) of octet 0 are reserved for
+experimentation.

>From @mnot's message "Spin Bit -- A Path Forward":
> - The transport draft editors will assure that at least three bits are available for experimentation in the next draft.

I don't think there's consensus yet that the Type field will go away, but the design direction of the protocol so far does not seem to point toward additional path-visible optional parts or forms for the short header, meaning these bits become useless once they're subsumed into the packet number encoding. This seemed like the lower-energy way to get to three bits than working around STUN and GUIC multiplexing.

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<p><b>@britram</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1334#discussion_r185878789">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -439,12 +439,8 @@ Google QUIC Demultipexing Bit:
 
 Reserved:
 
-: The sixth bit (0x4) of octet 0 is reserved for experimentation.
-
-Short Packet Type:
-
-: The remaining 2 bits of octet 0 include one of 4 packet types.
-  {{short-packet-types}} lists the types that are defined for short packets.
+: The sixth, seventh, and eighth bits (0x7) of octet 0 are reserved for
+experimentation.
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<p>From <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-user-id="74384" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/mnot">@mnot</a>'s message "Spin Bit -- A Path Forward":</p>
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<li>The transport draft editors will assure that at least three bits are available for experimentation in the next draft.</li>
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<p>I don't think there's consensus yet that the Type field will go away, but the design direction of the protocol so far does not seem to point toward additional path-visible optional parts or forms for the short header, meaning these bits become useless once they're subsumed into the packet number encoding. This seemed like the lower-energy way to get to three bits than working around STUN and GUIC multiplexing.</p>

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> +short packet header, the number of significant bits are encoded in the most
+significant two bits of the first octet of the encoded packet number:
+
+| First octet pattern | Encoded Length | Bits Present |
+|:--------------------|:---------------|:-------------|
+| 0b0xxxxxxx          | 1 octet        | 7            |
+| 0b10xxxxxx          | 2              | 14           |
+| 0b11xxxxxx          | 4              | 30           |
+
+Note that these encodings are similar to those in {{integer-encoding}}, but
+use different values.
+
+The encoded packet number is protected as described in Section 5.6 {{QUIC-TLS}}.
+Protection of the packet number is removed prior to recovering the full packet
+number.The full packet number is reconstructed at the receiver based on the
+value of the most significant two bits in the first octet (to determine the

yep, this is better.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1334#discussion_r185879074">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +short packet header, the number of significant bits are encoded in the most
+significant two bits of the first octet of the encoded packet number:
+
+| First octet pattern | Encoded Length | Bits Present |
+|:--------------------|:---------------|:-------------|
+| 0b0xxxxxxx          | 1 octet        | 7            |
+| 0b10xxxxxx          | 2              | 14           |
+| 0b11xxxxxx          | 4              | 30           |
+
+Note that these encodings are similar to those in {{integer-encoding}}, but
+use different values.
+
+The encoded packet number is protected as described in Section 5.6 {{QUIC-TLS}}.
+Protection of the packet number is removed prior to recovering the full packet
+number.The full packet number is reconstructed at the receiver based on the
+value of the most significant two bits in the first octet (to determine the
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<p>yep, this is better.</p>

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ianswett commented on this pull request.



> @@ -439,12 +439,8 @@ Google QUIC Demultipexing Bit:
 
 Reserved:
 
-: The sixth bit (0x4) of octet 0 is reserved for experimentation.
-
-Short Packet Type:
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-: The remaining 2 bits of octet 0 include one of 4 packet types.
-  {{short-packet-types}} lists the types that are defined for short packets.
+: The sixth, seventh, and eighth bits (0x7) of octet 0 are reserved for
+experimentation.

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<p><b>@ianswett</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1334#discussion_r185921751">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -439,12 +439,8 @@ Google QUIC Demultipexing Bit:
 
 Reserved:
 
-: The sixth bit (0x4) of octet 0 is reserved for experimentation.
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-  {{short-packet-types}} lists the types that are defined for short packets.
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Currently, there are 4 ways a Connection ID (CID) is presented in a packet or frame:

1. Using DCIL and SCIL (both 4-bit) in Long Header to encode its length.
2. No CID length in Short Header.
3. Fixed size CID in Stateless Reset packet.
4. Using a 8-bit field in NEW_CONNECTION_ID Frame for its length.

I am wondering if it is possible to unify the way a CID is presented like Stream ID. I understand that CID is version-independent but what I am concerned the most is CID in Short Header:

> Endpoints using a connection-ID based load balancer could agree with the load balancer on a fixed or minimum length and on an encoding for connection IDs. This fixed portion could encode an explicit length, which allows the entire connection ID to vary in length and still be used by the load balancer.

I'm trying to implement a QUIC proxy and I don't know how to do with that since I don't control backend applications. Can we specify a Connection ID encoding in the specification, or at least in the first version?

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<p>Currently, there are 4 ways a Connection ID (CID) is presented in a packet or frame:</p>
<ol>
<li>Using DCIL and SCIL (both 4-bit) in Long Header to encode its length.</li>
<li>No CID length in Short Header.</li>
<li>Fixed size CID in Stateless Reset packet.</li>
<li>Using a 8-bit field in NEW_CONNECTION_ID Frame for its length.</li>
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<p>I am wondering if it is possible to unify the way a CID is presented like Stream ID. I understand that CID is version-independent but what I am concerned the most is CID in Short Header:</p>
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<p>Endpoints using a connection-ID based load balancer could agree with the load balancer on a fixed or minimum length and on an encoding for connection IDs. This fixed portion could encode an explicit length, which allows the entire connection ID to vary in length and still be used by the load balancer.</p>
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<p>I'm trying to implement a QUIC proxy and I don't know how to do with that since I don't control backend applications. Can we specify a Connection ID encoding in the specification, or at least in the first version?</p>

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@kazuho: I still believe that per-CID PN is the best way to get to multipath. Even if we don't do it yet, I expect that we will get there eventually. I wouldn't want to make the assumption that we use a single PN space yet.

I like the idea of tying key updates to new CIDs, but there's a gotcha. Both endpoints might decide to do zero-length CIDs, and you then lose any ability to do a key update.

Why not do both? That is, KEY_PHASE bit used as normal, but CID resets the key phase. In other words, CID represents the high-order bits of the key phase, and the KEY_PHASE bit represents the lowest order bit. Does this make sense?

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> There is an on path attack where large packet numbers are skipped to expend resources on frequent rekeying, so perhaps som text to guard against this - notably in relation to optimistic ACK packet skipping.

I am not sure if that is a realistic attack considering the fact that attacker would be required to spend same amount of CPU cost, and that an attacker cannot trigger key update once every 2 RTT (note: a sender cannot send PN that is greater than the largest acknowledged value + 2<sup>31</sup>).

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Closes #1335.
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  * Rephrase text in PLPMTUD

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #1335.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="319920152" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1335" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1335">#1335</a>.</p>

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  <li>Rephrase text in PLPMTUD</li>
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Is there any limit on how many key updates can safely be done? If not, another option would be to lower the threshold to e.g. 2^16 (this would correspond to roughly 80MB of data transferred). This would ensure that a significant fraction of QUIC connections would do a key update.

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> I like the idea of tying key updates to new CIDs, but there's a gotcha. Both endpoints might decide to do zero-length CIDs, and you then lose any ability to do a key update.

Agreed.

> Why not do both?

I think that I at least agree with you that my proposal of eliminating the KEY_PHASE bit by using PN mod 2<sup>32</sup> as the generation number is orthogonal to the discussion of #1317.

> That is, KEY_PHASE bit used as normal, but CID resets the key phase. In other words, CID represents the high-order bits of the key phase, and the KEY_PHASE bit represents the lowest order bit. Does this make sense?

That should be possible, but it might be better to derive the first generation of the encryption key using HKDF that takes CID as the input, then update the key for every 2<sup>32</sup> PN. This is because we cannot skip key generations in the current derivation formula, which is: `client_pp_secret<N+1> =
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> Is there any limit on how many key updates can safely be done? If not, another option would be to lower the threshold to e.g. 2^16 (this would correspond to roughly 80MB of data transferred). This would ensure that a significant fraction of QUIC connections would do a key update.

I would prefer setting the threshold to something greater than the largest delta that can be represented by the PN field of a QUIC packet. That property ensures you that having 2 generations of encryption keys is enough, regardless of how the client injects gaps. That is why I proposed 2<sup>32</sup>.

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I like the 3-value encoding idea and I like @martinthomson's encoding.
I don't think I understand the reasoning behind not using the same enc/de=
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for long headers as well. I'm sure I'm missing something - what's the
rationale?

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> Instead of encrypting more than the packet number the encrypted packet
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@marten-seemann Maybe you missed https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1322#issuecomment-386480587? I think you can enforce the use in some ways.

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I don't think that PN mod 2<sup>32</sup> works without trial decryption.

Let's say that we have an 8 bit encoding and we are approaching the crossover point.  When the crossover happens, the recipient uses the old PN key and gets a random 8 bit value, which might be a valid value less than the crossover point.  That packet will fail to be decrypted.

I also agree with @marten-seemann that we should favour designs that are based on explicit signals rather than simple counts.  2<sup>32</sup> is large enough that some implementations might not encounter the rollover point.  I have experience with fixed rollovers in NSS and testing them is ugly.  On the other hand, sending KeyUpdate is easy.  I don't think that a randomized packet number is the right fix for that.

Finally, though I suspect @janaiyengar is right with respect to per-CID spaces, but the decision to roll keys based on a change in connection ID can be made without going that far.  All we need to do is decide to keep the sequencing of connection IDs.  We also need to recognize that two sets of keys might be maintained for some time during migration; that would be somewhat longer than the text currently suggests because of probing, but it's not that much.

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<p>I don't think that PN mod 2<sup>32</sup> works without trial decryptio=
n.</p>
<p>Let's say that we have an 8 bit encoding and we are approaching the cr=
ossover point.  When the crossover happens, the recipient uses the old PN=
 key and gets a random 8 bit value, which might be a valid value less tha=
n the crossover point.  That packet will fail to be decrypted.</p>
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<p>Finally, though I suspect <a class=3D"user-mention" data-hovercard-use=
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for some time during migration; that would be somewhat longer than the te=
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For transport parameters, I would be happy to accept a PR that reserves certain values (feel free to diverge from the 0x?a?a pattern in TLS).

We need to decide on a design for frame extensibility before we can move on this for that part of the protocol.

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<p>For transport parameters, I would be happy to accept a PR that reserve=
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<p>We need to decide on a design for frame extensibility before we can mo=
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ianswett approved this pull request.

LG, but two editorial comments.

> @@ -3088,11 +3088,11 @@ actually lost.
 
 
 The PADDING frame provides a useful option for PMTU probe packets that does not

nit: Other transports don't have padding?

> @@ -3088,11 +3088,11 @@ actually lost.
 
 
 The PADDING frame provides a useful option for PMTU probe packets that does not
-exist in other transports. PADDING frames generate acknowledgements, but their
-content need not be delivered reliably. PADDING frames may delay the delivery of
-application data, as they consume the congestion window. However, by definition
-their likely loss in a probe packet does not require delay-inducing
-retransmission of application data.
+exist in other transports. PADDING frames generate acknowledgements, but they
+need not be delivered reliably. As a result, the likely loss of PADDING frames

nit: likely is speculative, I'd remove it.

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<p><b>@ianswett</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<p>LG, but two editorial comments.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1337#discussion_r185977850">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -3088,11 +3088,11 @@ actually lost.
 
 
 The PADDING frame provides a useful option for PMTU probe packets that does not
</pre>
<p>nit: Other transports don't have padding?</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1337#discussion_r185977930">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -3088,11 +3088,11 @@ actually lost.
 
 
 The PADDING frame provides a useful option for PMTU probe packets that does not
-exist in other transports. PADDING frames generate acknowledgements, but their
-content need not be delivered reliably. PADDING frames may delay the delivery of
-application data, as they consume the congestion window. However, by definition
-their likely loss in a probe packet does not require delay-inducing
-retransmission of application data.
+exist in other transports. PADDING frames generate acknowledgements, but they
+need not be delivered reliably. As a result, the likely loss of PADDING frames
</pre>
<p>nit: likely is speculative, I'd remove it.</p>

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> I don't think that PN mod 2<sup>32</sup> works without trial decryption.
> Let's say that we have an 8 bit encoding and we are approaching the crossover point. When the crossover happens, the recipient uses the old PN key and gets a random 8 bit value, which might be a valid value less than the crossover point. That packet will fail to be decrypted.

@martinthomson Maybe you missed the point that I proposed keeping the PN key stable across the entire connection? https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1322#issuecomment-386290369

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martinthomson commented on this pull request.

Thanks for writing this up Brian.  90% of the way there already.

> @@ -960,6 +960,13 @@ To ensure that this process does not sample the packet number, packet number
 protection algorithms MUST NOT sample more ciphertext than the minimum
 expansion of the corresponding AEAD.
 
+Packet number protection is applied to the packet number encoded as described
+in Section 4.8 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. Since the length of the packet number is
+stored in the encoded packet number, it is necessary to decrypt the maximum
+length (4 octets) when removing packet number protection. The final 2 or 3

It isn't *strictly* necessary to decrypt 4 octets: you can decrypt one octet at a time.

One thing that concerns me here is that you are recommending a strategy that includes decrypting the IV; I don't know how to exploit that and it seems entirely possible that it can't be, but I would avoid recommending this implementation strategy (even if I have in the past; I'm not sure that I want that in an RFC).

Instead, I would observe that the packet number might need to progressively decrypted.

> @@ -439,12 +439,8 @@ Google QUIC Demultipexing Bit:
 
 Reserved:
 
-: The sixth bit (0x4) of octet 0 is reserved for experimentation.
-
-Short Packet Type:
-
-: The remaining 2 bits of octet 0 include one of 4 packet types.
-  {{short-packet-types}} lists the types that are defined for short packets.
+: The sixth, seventh, and eighth bits (0x7) of octet 0 are reserved for
+experimentation.

I think that this is a fine thing.  Removing type is good; reserving is good.

I would more simply state this as "these bits are reserved".  We might ultimately decide that the spin bit experiment is an experiment no longer.  At that point we might assign them to the spin bit(s) or find an entirely different use for those bits.

> @@ -786,15 +775,30 @@ reaches 2^62 - 1, the sender MUST close the connection without sending a
 CONNECTION_CLOSE frame or any further packets; a server MAY send a Stateless
 Reset ({{stateless-reset}}) in response to further packets that it receives.
 
-For the packet header, the number of bits required to represent the packet
-number are reduced by including only the least significant bits of the packet
-number.
-
-The encoded packet number is protected as described in {{QUIC-TLS}}. Protection
-of the packet number is removed prior to recovering the full packet number. The
-full packet number is reconstructed at the receiver based on the largest packet
-number received on a successfully authenticated packet. Recovering the full
-packet number is necessary to successfully remove packet protection.
+In the QUIC long and short packet headers, the number of bits required to
+represent the packet number are reduced by including only the least
+significant bits of the packet number.
+
+In the long packet header, the least significant 32 bits are used. In the

"In the long packet header, the least significant 32 bits of the packet are encoded into the Packet Number field."

> -For the packet header, the number of bits required to represent the packet
-number are reduced by including only the least significant bits of the packet
-number.
-
-The encoded packet number is protected as described in {{QUIC-TLS}}. Protection
-of the packet number is removed prior to recovering the full packet number. The
-full packet number is reconstructed at the receiver based on the largest packet
-number received on a successfully authenticated packet. Recovering the full
-packet number is necessary to successfully remove packet protection.
+In the QUIC long and short packet headers, the number of bits required to
+represent the packet number are reduced by including only the least
+significant bits of the packet number.
+
+In the long packet header, the least significant 32 bits are used. In the
+short packet header, the number of significant bits are encoded in the most
+significant two bits of the first octet of the encoded packet number:

`<p>`
"In the short packet header, a variable number of significant bits are encoded.  One or two of the most significant bits of the first octet determine how many bits of the packet number are provided, as shown in {{pn-encodings}}."

> -number received on a successfully authenticated packet. Recovering the full
-packet number is necessary to successfully remove packet protection.
+In the QUIC long and short packet headers, the number of bits required to
+represent the packet number are reduced by including only the least
+significant bits of the packet number.
+
+In the long packet header, the least significant 32 bits are used. In the
+short packet header, the number of significant bits are encoded in the most
+significant two bits of the first octet of the encoded packet number:
+
+| First octet pattern | Encoded Length | Bits Present |
+|:--------------------|:---------------|:-------------|
+| 0b0xxxxxxx          | 1 octet        | 7            |
+| 0b10xxxxxx          | 2              | 14           |
+| 0b11xxxxxx          | 4              | 30           |
+

{: #pn-encodings title="Short Header Packet Number Encodings"}

> +short packet header, the number of significant bits are encoded in the most
+significant two bits of the first octet of the encoded packet number:
+
+| First octet pattern | Encoded Length | Bits Present |
+|:--------------------|:---------------|:-------------|
+| 0b0xxxxxxx          | 1 octet        | 7            |
+| 0b10xxxxxx          | 2              | 14           |
+| 0b11xxxxxx          | 4              | 30           |
+
+Note that these encodings are similar to those in {{integer-encoding}}, but
+use different values.
+
+The encoded packet number is protected as described in Section 5.6 {{QUIC-TLS}}.
+Protection of the packet number is removed prior to recovering the full packet
+number.The full packet number is reconstructed at the receiver based on the
+value of the most significant two bits in the first octet (to determine the

I like Ian's suggestion too.

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<p>Thanks for writing this up Brian.  90% of the way there already.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1334#discussion_r185977924">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -960,6 +960,13 @@ To ensure that this process does not sample the packet number, packet number
 protection algorithms MUST NOT sample more ciphertext than the minimum
 expansion of the corresponding AEAD.
 
+Packet number protection is applied to the packet number encoded as described
+in Section 4.8 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. Since the length of the packet number is
+stored in the encoded packet number, it is necessary to decrypt the maximum
+length (4 octets) when removing packet number protection. The final 2 or 3
</pre>
<p>It isn't <em>strictly</em> necessary to decrypt 4 octets: you can decrypt one octet at a time.</p>
<p>One thing that concerns me here is that you are recommending a strategy that includes decrypting the IV; I don't know how to exploit that and it seems entirely possible that it can't be, but I would avoid recommending this implementation strategy (even if I have in the past; I'm not sure that I want that in an RFC).</p>
<p>Instead, I would observe that the packet number might need to progressively decrypted.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1334#discussion_r185978019">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -439,12 +439,8 @@ Google QUIC Demultipexing Bit:
 
 Reserved:
 
-: The sixth bit (0x4) of octet 0 is reserved for experimentation.
-
-Short Packet Type:
-
-: The remaining 2 bits of octet 0 include one of 4 packet types.
-  {{short-packet-types}} lists the types that are defined for short packets.
+: The sixth, seventh, and eighth bits (0x7) of octet 0 are reserved for
+experimentation.
</pre>
<p>I think that this is a fine thing.  Removing type is good; reserving is good.</p>
<p>I would more simply state this as "these bits are reserved".  We might ultimately decide that the spin bit experiment is an experiment no longer.  At that point we might assign them to the spin bit(s) or find an entirely different use for those bits.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1334#discussion_r185978141">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -786,15 +775,30 @@ reaches 2^62 - 1, the sender MUST close the connection without sending a
 CONNECTION_CLOSE frame or any further packets; a server MAY send a Stateless
 Reset ({{stateless-reset}}) in response to further packets that it receives.
 
-For the packet header, the number of bits required to represent the packet
-number are reduced by including only the least significant bits of the packet
-number.
-
-The encoded packet number is protected as described in {{QUIC-TLS}}. Protection
-of the packet number is removed prior to recovering the full packet number. The
-full packet number is reconstructed at the receiver based on the largest packet
-number received on a successfully authenticated packet. Recovering the full
-packet number is necessary to successfully remove packet protection.
+In the QUIC long and short packet headers, the number of bits required to
+represent the packet number are reduced by including only the least
+significant bits of the packet number.
+
+In the long packet header, the least significant 32 bits are used. In the
</pre>
<p>"In the long packet header, the least significant 32 bits of the packet are encoded into the Packet Number field."</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1334#discussion_r185978339">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; -For the packet header, the number of bits required to represent the packet
-number are reduced by including only the least significant bits of the packet
-number.
-
-The encoded packet number is protected as described in {{QUIC-TLS}}. Protection
-of the packet number is removed prior to recovering the full packet number. The
-full packet number is reconstructed at the receiver based on the largest packet
-number received on a successfully authenticated packet. Recovering the full
-packet number is necessary to successfully remove packet protection.
+In the QUIC long and short packet headers, the number of bits required to
+represent the packet number are reduced by including only the least
+significant bits of the packet number.
+
+In the long packet header, the least significant 32 bits are used. In the
+short packet header, the number of significant bits are encoded in the most
+significant two bits of the first octet of the encoded packet number:
</pre>
<p><code>&lt;p&gt;</code><br>
"In the short packet header, a variable number of significant bits are encoded.  One or two of the most significant bits of the first octet determine how many bits of the packet number are provided, as shown in {{pn-encodings}}."</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1334#discussion_r185978411">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; -number received on a successfully authenticated packet. Recovering the full
-packet number is necessary to successfully remove packet protection.
+In the QUIC long and short packet headers, the number of bits required to
+represent the packet number are reduced by including only the least
+significant bits of the packet number.
+
+In the long packet header, the least significant 32 bits are used. In the
+short packet header, the number of significant bits are encoded in the most
+significant two bits of the first octet of the encoded packet number:
+
+| First octet pattern | Encoded Length | Bits Present |
+|:--------------------|:---------------|:-------------|
+| 0b0xxxxxxx          | 1 octet        | 7            |
+| 0b10xxxxxx          | 2              | 14           |
+| 0b11xxxxxx          | 4              | 30           |
+
</pre>
<p>{: #pn-encodings title="Short Header Packet Number Encodings"}</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1334#discussion_r185978495">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +short packet header, the number of significant bits are encoded in the most
+significant two bits of the first octet of the encoded packet number:
+
+| First octet pattern | Encoded Length | Bits Present |
+|:--------------------|:---------------|:-------------|
+| 0b0xxxxxxx          | 1 octet        | 7            |
+| 0b10xxxxxx          | 2              | 14           |
+| 0b11xxxxxx          | 4              | 30           |
+
+Note that these encodings are similar to those in {{integer-encoding}}, but
+use different values.
+
+The encoded packet number is protected as described in Section 5.6 {{QUIC-TLS}}.
+Protection of the packet number is removed prior to recovering the full packet
+number.The full packet number is reconstructed at the receiver based on the
+value of the most significant two bits in the first octet (to determine the
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<p>I like Ian's suggestion too.</p>

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No, I saw that - and it's a necessary precondition for this.  Nonetheless, the problem remains.

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Practically speaking, the short header and stateless reset are the same thing.

The encodings for packet headers are special, but we have none of the constraints that drive the need for a special encoding when sending NEW_CONNECTION_ID.

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That's a good question.  One fewer bespoke encoder/decoder would be nice.  Given that we lost the fight to keep long headers fixed length, I think that we could use the 7/14/30 encoding there as well.

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martinthomson approved this pull request.

Address Ian's comments and we're good.

> @@ -3088,11 +3088,11 @@ actually lost.
 
 
 The PADDING frame provides a useful option for PMTU probe packets that does not

Yeah, I'd drop the does not exist bit.  It's a big claim and not really necessary.

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<p>Address Ian's comments and we're good.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1337#discussion_r185979195">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
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Oh, I'm being daft.  I still think that the other reasons are enough.

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<p>Oh, I'm being daft.  I still think that the other reasons are enough.</p>

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PS. assuming that we can use one PN key across the entries connection, the other solution would be to steal one bit from the varint encoding of the PN (in clear) and use that as the KEY_PHASE bit. The bit will then become unobservable.

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Yes, I have considered that option.  I still prefer coupling connection ID change to key migration.  It has the benefit of consolidating mechanisms for migration and key update, which means that the mechanism is more likely to see use.

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I am sorry for being late, but may I propose *not* moving the length bits into the PN field?

Instead, I would like to propose encrypting the length bits, all the reserved bits, and possibly also the KEY_PHASE bit of the first octet in-place.

The reason I propose this is because it simplifies the encoding logic. At the moment, the logic looks like below. The issue is that step 1 is pure overhead, and that people might forget to implement it.

1. fill the reserved bits of the first octet with random value (i.e. greasing)
2. AEAD-encrypt the packet
3. XOR the PN field using the output of a CTR cipher (i.e. pseudo-random octets)

Encrypting the bits in-place solves the issue. The encoding logic becomes:
1. AEAD-encrypt the packet
2. XOR the PN field and also PN length bits and the reserved bits of the first octet using the output of a CTR cipher

As you can see, the need for greasing the bits goes away. Since the output of a CTR cipher is a pseudo-random bitstream, applying CTR to the bits has the same effect as greasing them.

The downside of the approach is that you would need to first apply XOR to the first octet of the incoming packet, and then decrypt the encrypted PN field. But I do not think that is a minor issue compared to the benefit of removing one call to a pseudorandom function on the sender side (i.e. step 1 of the current encoding logic).

And if we decide to not apply key rotation to the PN key, then we can apply the in-place XOR to the KEY_PHASE bit as well, fixing #1322 (see also https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1322#issuecomment-386488960).

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<p>I am sorry for being late, but may I propose <em>not</em> moving the l=
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lace.</p>
<p>The reason I propose this is because it simplifies the encoding logic.=
 At the moment, the logic looks like below. The issue is that step 1 is p=
ure overhead, and that people might forget to implement it.</p>
<ol>
<li>fill the reserved bits of the first octet with random value (i.e. gre=
asing)</li>
<li>AEAD-encrypt the packet</li>
<li>XOR the PN field using the output of a CTR cipher (i.e. pseudo-random=
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<p>Encrypting the bits in-place solves the issue. The encoding logic beco=
mes:</p>
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<li>AEAD-encrypt the packet</li>
<li>XOR the PN field and also PN length bits and the reserved bits of the=
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<p>As you can see, the need for greasing the bits goes away. Since the ou=
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<p>The downside of the approach is that you would need to first apply XOR=
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d PN field. But I do not think that is a minor issue compared to the bene=
fit of removing one call to a pseudorandom function on the sender side (i=
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>  I still prefer coupling connection ID change to key migration. It has the benefit of consolidating mechanisms for migration and key update, which means that the mechanism is more likely to see use.

I can see the benefit. OTOH, there is a downside. As @janaiyengar has pointed out, a server with a zero-length CID cannot let the Connection ID change.

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FWIW, in https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/989#issuecomment-386504853 I have proposed encrypting certain bits (including the KEY_PHASE bit) of the first octet in-place. The pros / cons of the approach is discussed on the comment there.

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Skipping packet numbers to induce key rotation seems like (danish proverb) crossing the creek to fetch water since PNE just gained a linear number space.

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<p>Skipping packet numbers to induce key rotation seems like (danish proverb) crossing the creek to fetch water since PNE just gained a linear number space.</p>

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I prefer always using 8-bit for the length of CID as we're already using Variable-Length Encoding.
(I think that is how it's described in https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1101)

Before opening this issue, I tried to find and understand all comments regarding symmetric CID & number vs opaque value. And I believe always having CID length will make it easier for a load-balancer implementation (parsing CID) or migration from 64-bit unsigned integer (using first 8-bit of the number). I might be wrong here but I think it's a valid reason to still interpret CID as a number since number lookup is easily done in some programming languages.

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<p>I prefer always using 8-bit for the length of CID as we're already usi=
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> One thing that concerns me here is that you are recommending a strategy that includes decrypting the IV; I don't know how to exploit that and it seems entirely possible that it can't be, but I would avoid recommending this implementation strategy (even if I have in the past; I'm not sure that I want that in an RFC).

> Instead, I would observe that the packet number might need to progressively decrypted.

I'm not really sure why overdecrypting as opposed to one at a time would make things any worse if the output is not visible to any observer. If anything, constant time operations are much preferable as it avoids timing attacks.

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@marten-seemann 
>Is there any limit on how many key updates can safely be done? If not, another option would be to lower the threshold to e.g. 2^16 (this would correspond to roughly 80MB of data transferred). This would ensure that a significant fraction of QUIC connections would do a key update.

Yes, sort of. If there is a 1/N chance of a successfull attack on a key, and you have M keys, the chance is improved to M/N. As I understand this ties more to AES than to GCM and since AES is much harder than GCM, this is not an immediate concern, but too many keys is not a good idea.

See 
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tangentially, no CID-len for short packets caused a problem for @larseggert who wanted to disambiguate between 0-len and non-0 len CID on the same 4 tuple. I believe in the omit-cid era he would omit them on the first connection from a 4 tuple and start using them after that.

plausibly the compromise for that is bringing back a shorter amount of signaling for a variable length encoding.. either making the min cid len 1 byte instead of 4, or even (less desirably imo) bringing the omit cid bit back.


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Differentiating between 0-len and non 0-len CIDs is a problem, but I'm not sure it's an important use case.  0-len CIDs are very much designed for cases when you expect the 4-tuple to identify the connection.  Non-0 are for all other cases.  Those cases seem quite distinct, so I don't see a need to support both on the same 4-tuple at once.

If you're using a load balancer, you should almost certainly be using a non-0 length CID.  And you can choose to encode the length in that CID however you'd like, since the CID is receiver chosen.

@mcmanus  Bringing back the bit is sad, and making the min length 1 byte would require some substantial changes to the invariants, which I'd really rather not do.

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<p>Differentiating between 0-len and non 0-len CIDs is a problem, but I'm=
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for cases when you expect the 4-tuple to identify the connection.  Non-0 =
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Regarding "when you expect the 4-tuple to identify the connection" - what do you do if you have omitted the CID for a connection, but that expectation ends up being wrong?

Not being able to accept additional connections on a 4-tuple (with non-omitted CIDs) IMO severely limits the possibility to use omitted CIDs, to the point where we might as well ditch them completely.

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If a client uses an ephemeral port to connect to a peer, the client would have to choose to re-use that port to create a new QUIC connection.  I don't see why it wouldn't know whether that was possible when it created the connection?

I expect most client code will not use the same port for multiple QUIC connections, but if they support that(ie: maybe server to server connections?), then they should't use 0-len CIDs.

Do you have a use case in mind where typically you don't need a CID and then suddenly you do?

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>I'm not really sure why overdecrypting as opposed to one at a time would make things any worse if the output is not visible to any observer

ISTM either choice is an implementation detail, and can be left out here. Indeed, while always decrypting four octets is an easy way to go constant-time, it's not the only one. OTOH, the probable length of the encoded PN can already be deduced by anyone along the path with even the dimmest idea of the window size: if someone's willing to perform timing attacks to recover information they should already have, more power to them.

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> @@ -439,12 +439,8 @@ Google QUIC Demultipexing Bit:
 
 Reserved:
 
-: The sixth bit (0x4) of octet 0 is reserved for experimentation.
-
-Short Packet Type:
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-: The remaining 2 bits of octet 0 include one of 4 packet types.
-  {{short-packet-types}} lists the types that are defined for short packets.
+: The sixth, seventh, and eighth bits (0x7) of octet 0 are reserved for
+experimentation.

I'd still lean toward "reserved for experimentation", with the understanding that this language is necessarily transient and will collapse one way or another before V1 final.

One, because that's the current state and the outcome of the discussion in London; two, because given the WG's love of grease to date, simply stating "this is reserved" without discussion of how it's greased would seem odd.

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<p><b>@britram</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1334#discussion_r186077777">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -439,12 +439,8 @@ Google QUIC Demultipexing Bit:
 
 Reserved:
 
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-
-Short Packet Type:
-
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-  {{short-packet-types}} lists the types that are defined for short packets.
+: The sixth, seventh, and eighth bits (0x7) of octet 0 are reserved for
+experimentation.
</pre>
<p>I'd still lean toward "reserved for experimentation", with the understanding that this language is necessarily transient and will collapse one way or another before V1 final.</p>
<p>One, because that's the current state and the outcome of the discussion in London; two, because given the WG's love of grease to date, simply stating "this is reserved" without discussion of how it's greased would seem odd.</p>

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Think of a server w/o load balancers, and clients behind CGNs. The server might want to not use CIDs, and the clients may not know they should.

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<p>Think of a server w/o load balancers, and clients behind CGNs. The server might want to not use CIDs, and the clients may not know they should.</p>

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Not using a connection ID on the server side in that case seems pretty brittle.  The QUIC design includes CIDs partially for NAT rebinds, so the server would be implicitly deciding it didn't care about NAT rebinds.  If it decided it'd rather reset connections than deal with NAT rebinds, that's certainly a choice it can make.

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Is there any reason why an encoding for the payload length wasn't chosen that would allow something like setting it to zero mean "QUIC packet extends to end of UDP packet"? 

That would make it more straightforward to encode non-coalesced long-header packets, where the payload length may not be known by the time the packet header is being encoded.

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<p>Is there any reason why an encoding for the payload length wasn't chosen that would allow something like setting it to zero mean "QUIC packet extends to end of UDP packet"?</p>
<p>That would make it more straightforward to encode non-coalesced long-header packets, where the payload length may not be known by the time the packet header is being encoded.</p>

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OK, so which are the cases where we think that zero-length CIDs are actually useful?

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<p>OK, so which are the cases where we think that zero-length CIDs are actually useful?</p>

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> OK, so which are the cases where we think that zero-length CIDs are actually useful?

Average http clients using ipv6?

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Client CID can be set to zero-length if a client allocates a new ephemeral port for every new connection.

It is just that it is less useful for endpoints using one IP:port for multiple connections (which includes servers).


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<p>Client CID can be set to zero-length if a client allocates a new ephemer=
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<p>It is just that it is less useful for endpoints using one IP:port for mu=
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I think it is discussed in #1301.

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In https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1322#issuecomment-386505276:
>>  I still prefer coupling connection ID change to key migration. It has the benefit of consolidating mechanisms for migration and key update, which means that the mechanism is more likely to see use.
> 
> I can see the benefit. OTOH, there is a downside. As @janaiyengar has pointed out, a server with a zero-length CID cannot let the Connection ID change.

@martinthomson I think I missed one important aspect in my comment here.

The issue with only allowing key update on CID change would mean that an endpoint (both the client and the server) cannot update the key if the peer advertises a zero-length CID.

I'd assume that most clients will be advertising zero-length CIDs. That would mean that for most connections a server would not be able to trigger a key update, unless we allow key updates to happen without migrating the connection.

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<p>I can see the benefit. OTOH, there is a downside. As <a class=3D"user-me=
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Thanks, I searched but missed that issue

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I'm with @marten-seemann - I think this would be useful. When encoding, either you need to make the varint fixed-length (so you can encode it after laying out the packet), which wastes a byte, or you may need to occasionally `memmove`, or you need to pre-calculate the length of your frames, which wastes cycles.

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LGTM as fix for the issue I raised

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<p>LGTM as fix for the issue I raised</p>

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@britram pushed 1 commit.

fae6da8  tweaks, thanks Martin and Ian


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Unless keyphase is a degenerate CID. If so, CID's are not zero length, they are at least one bit.

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<p>Unless keyphase is a degenerate CID. If so, CID's are not zero length, they are at least one bit.</p>

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janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

Addressed comments. PTAL.



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<p><b>@janaiyengar</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<p>Addressed comments. PTAL.</p>

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I'll just merge this, since I have yours approvals.

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<p>I'll just merge this, since I have yours approvals.</p>

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Closed #1335 via #1337.

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I agree with Lars's point that implementations that never coalesce will have to compute this. That is an unnecessary cost... and we expect the common case to be non-coalesced packets. In optimizing for the common case, I am in favor of this PR.

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 2399e96867f5f263c8245082a64dbbfa2bd7fdc8
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2399e96867f5f263c8245082a64dbbfa2bd7fdc8
  Author: janaiyengar <jri.ietf@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-05-04 (Fri, 04 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

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  Rephrase text in PLPMTUD (#1337)

* Rephrase text in PLPMTUD

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@larseggert:
> I think this would be useful. When encoding, either you need to make the varint fixed-length (so you can encode it after laying out the packet), which can waste a byte, or you may need to occasionally memmove, or you need to pre-calculate the length of your frames, which wastes cycles. Plus, even implementations that will never coalesce packets will always need to do this, which seems backward.

While I can understand the argument, I do not think that the solution proposed by this PR is optimal.

In my view, the claim is that some implementations do not want to always spend 2 octets on expressing the payload length (note: you can express any payload size using a 2-octet varint expression).

If that is the case, why go for using 1 octet?

I would rather suggest having different packet types for packets that carry the payload length (e.g., Initial-with-Length, Handshake-with-Length) so that implementations not using coalesced packets wouldn't spend any extra octet, or keep the packet design as-is.

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<p>If that is the case, why go for using 1 octet?</p>
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I was thinking a bit about using a single port also for the client case:

In this case the number connections is likely small, but a CID cannot be zero length. Using a full byte to encode CID length is a bit much if you only need to distinguish between 8 different CIDs.

At the same time, if CID's are tied to key rotation, 0 length CID's won't work but a single bit CID would work similar to a key phase, iff CID's can be reused in this case.

If the minimal CID length, including length prefix, is a single byte, there isn't much space left for longer, but it can be handled:

Two bits code for length. 00, 01, 02, 03

00: keyphase, zero length CID, but a single keyphase bit.
01: 6 bit bit CID
02: 14 bit CID
03:  CID length is encoded in the following 6 bits.

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<p>I was thinking a bit about using a single port also for the client case:=
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<p>In this case the number connections is likely small, but a CID cannot be=
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nly need to distinguish between 8 different CIDs.</p>
<p>At the same time, if CID's are tied to key rotation, 0 length CID's won'=
t work but a single bit CID would work similar to a key phase, iff CID's ca=
n be reused in this case.</p>
<p>If the minimal CID length, including length prefix, is a single byte, th=
ere isn't much space left for longer, but it can be handled:</p>
<p>Two bits code for length. 00, 01, 02, 03</p>
<p>00: keyphase, zero length CID, but a single keyphase bit.<br>
01: 6 bit bit CID<br>
02: 14 bit CID<br>
03:  CID length is encoded in the following 6 bits.</p>

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> I don't think I understand the reasoning behind not using the same enc/dec for long headers as well. I'm sure I'm missing something - what's the rationale?

on review, basically, I just forgot we're encrypting the packet numbers now. In the long header as it was, the 32 bits included the random initial offset, and having more bits meant you got more (relative) randomness in the handshake. PNE makes that rationale go away.

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@britram pushed 1 commit.

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most recent commit uses variable encoding on long headers, too, per discussion in #989

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@kazuho aside from the fact that unless I'm missing something, this would break any non-QUIC-end-to-QUIC-end use of the first octet (spin bit, protocol demux), this seems like a separate proposal/issue (which has "you don't need to make PNs varint to protect their length" as a side effect, not as a primary aim) to me...

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What if the client is behind a CGN that does port slicing?

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I can't find any good reference on port slicing, but presumably that's using one external port for multiple 4-tuples flowing through it?

If so, then the CGN still needs to only direct traffic intended for the client to the client.

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I think that all of this is too complicated.  Here's a simple solution for this issue:

NEW_CONNECTION_ID can carry an extra hard-to-guess bit that masks the KEY_PHASE bit so that it can't be used to correlate flows.

We also recommend that endpoints that don't use connection IDs can randomly do a key update when they migrate to a new path to break linkability.  That creates uncertainty about which half of the population they are correlated with.

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<p>I think that all of this is too complicated.  Here's a simple solution f=
or this issue:</p>
<p>NEW_CONNECTION_ID can carry an extra hard-to-guess bit that masks the KE=
Y_PHASE bit so that it can't be used to correlate flows.</p>
<p>We also recommend that endpoints that don't use connection IDs can rando=
mly do a key update when they migrate to a new path to break linkability.  =
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martinthomson approved this pull request.

Let's give folks a bit more time to digest, but this looks good.

> -of the packet number is removed prior to recovering the full packet number. The
-full packet number is reconstructed at the receiver based on the largest packet
-number received on a successfully authenticated packet. Recovering the full
-packet number is necessary to successfully remove packet protection.
+In the QUIC long and short packet headers, the number of bits required to
+represent the packet number are reduced by including only a variable number of
+the least significant bits of the packet number.  One or two of the most
+significant bits of the first octet determine how many bits of the packet
+number are provided, as shown in {{pn-encodings}}.
+
+| First octet pattern | Encoded Length | Bits Present |
+|:--------------------|:---------------|:-------------|
+| 0b0xxxxxxx          | 1 octet        | 7            |
+| 0b10xxxxxx          | 2              | 14           |
+| 0b11xxxxxx          | 4              | 30           |
+{: #pn-encodings title="Short Header Packet Number Encodings"}

"Packet Number Encoding for Packet Headers" perhaps

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<p>Let's give folks a bit more time to digest, but this looks good.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1334#discussion_r186309458">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; -of the packet number is removed prior to recovering the full packet number. The
-full packet number is reconstructed at the receiver based on the largest packet
-number received on a successfully authenticated packet. Recovering the full
-packet number is necessary to successfully remove packet protection.
+In the QUIC long and short packet headers, the number of bits required to
+represent the packet number are reduced by including only a variable number of
+the least significant bits of the packet number.  One or two of the most
+significant bits of the first octet determine how many bits of the packet
+number are provided, as shown in {{pn-encodings}}.
+
+| First octet pattern | Encoded Length | Bits Present |
+|:--------------------|:---------------|:-------------|
+| 0b0xxxxxxx          | 1 octet        | 7            |
+| 0b10xxxxxx          | 2              | 14           |
+| 0b11xxxxxx          | 4              | 30           |
+{: #pn-encodings title=&quot;Short Header Packet Number Encodings&quot;}
</pre>
<p>"Packet Number Encoding for Packet Headers" perhaps</p>

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> NEW_CONNECTION_ID can carry an extra hard-to-guess bit that masks the KEY_PHASE bit so that it can't be used to correlate flows.

I am not sure if that is a good solution. While it is true that we can scramble the initial value, I do not think that it prevents the leak, because an observer can use the fact of the bit belonging to multiple CID's being flipped at the same time as the correlator.

Considering that, I think that we need to encrypt the information in some way. So far, we have seen three proposals:
* a. tie key phase to CID
* b. tie key phase to PN (which it now encrypted)
* c. encrypt key phase using PN key

As discussed, _a_ does not work well when the peer advertises a zero-length CID (which would be the typical behavior for clients). I personally prefer 
_b_ due to the fact that it does not waste a bit on the wire, however I can understand people looking for a more flexible way of flipping the bit, which is _c_.

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<p>I am not sure if that is a good solution. While it is true that we can s=
cramble the initial value, I do not think that it prevents the leak, becaus=
e an observer can use the fact of the bit belonging to multiple CID's being=
 flipped at the same time as the correlator.</p>
<p>Considering that, I think that we need to encrypt the information in som=
e way. So far, we have seen three proposals:</p>
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<li>a. tie key phase to CID</li>
<li>b. tie key phase to PN (which it now encrypted)</li>
<li>c. encrypt key phase using PN key</li>
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<p>As discussed, <em>a</em> does not work well when the peer advertises a z=
ero-length CID (which would be the typical behavior for clients). I persona=
lly prefer<br>
<em>b</em> due to the fact that it does not waste a bit on the wire, howeve=
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> aside from the fact that unless I'm missing something, this would break any non-QUIC-end-to-QUIC-end use of the first octet (spin bit, protocol demux)

@britram Maybe I should have been clearer in my proposal. I am proposing something like below. It does does not break spin bits, etc.

```
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|0|K|T T|0|R R R|
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
  |<----->|
 encrypt here

K - key-phase bit
T - PN length bits
R - the reserved bits (e.g. spin bit)
```

As for the background, I had initially thought that using varint format _within_ the PN field (as proposed in #1334) was fine. But now, to me it seems that many of us agree on the necessity of *not* sending the key-phase bit in clear (see #1322), and to me it seems that protecting the bit using the PN key seems like the straightforward solution.

We can move the key-phase bit into the encrypted PN area for sure. But that would mean that we would only have 6 bits available for the 1-octet encoding of the encrypted PN. That has led me to wonder if we could encrypt the PN lengths bits and the key-phase bit in the first octet, without moving them.

I am sorry for proposing an alternative solution after you have devoted your time on #1334, but it wasn't until late last week that I realized the possibility of protecting the key-phase bit using the PN-key.

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<p>aside from the fact that unless I'm missing something, this would break =
any non-QUIC-end-to-QUIC-end use of the first octet (spin bit, protocol dem=
ux)</p>
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er in my proposal. I am proposing something like below. It does does not br=
eak spin bits, etc.</p>
<pre><code>+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|0|K|T T|0|R R R|
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
  |&lt;-----&gt;|
 encrypt here

K - key-phase bit
T - PN length bits
R - the reserved bits (e.g. spin bit)
</code></pre>
<p>As for the background, I had initially thought that using varint format =
<em>within</em> the PN field (as proposed in <a class=3D"issue-link js-issu=
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of us agree on the necessity of <em>not</em> sending the key-phase bit in c=
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nd to me it seems that protecting the bit using the PN key seems like the s=
traightforward solution.</p>
<p>We can move the key-phase bit into the encrypted PN area for sure. But t=
hat would mean that we would only have 6 bits available for the 1-octet enc=
oding of the encrypted PN. That has led me to wonder if we could encrypt th=
e PN lengths bits and the key-phase bit in the first octet, without moving =
them.</p>
<p>I am sorry for proposing an alternative solution after you have devoted =
your time on <a class=3D"issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text=3D"Faile=
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Oh, I see, you are also trying to solve the problem for multipath at the same time.  I agree that what I suggested doesn't work for that.

I think that your *b* and *c* are shades of the same design.  Both require that the PN protection key is fixed (or maybe dependent on connection ID).  I'm OK with *c*, but the reduced ability to force an update in *b* is still a concern.  Why not just encrypt phase along with the packet number?

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> Oh, I see, you are also trying to solve the problem for multipath at the same time. I agree that what I suggested doesn't work for that.

Yes. That' correct. And we have a restricted form of multipath in v1 (i.e. path probing).

> I think that your _b_ and _c_ are shades of the same design. Both require that the PN protection key is fixed (or maybe dependent on connection ID). I'm OK with _c_, but the reduced ability to force an update in _b_ is still a concern. Why not just encrypt phase along with the packet number?

I am fine with _c_. The trade-offs between _b_ and _c_ (i.e. spending one-bit vs. ease of updating the key) seem minor to me.

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  Branch: refs/heads/long-and-short-varint-pn
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: b3bb4638d5678485cc25800d647b9387f3b162ec
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  Author: Brian Trammell <brian@trammell.ch>
  Date:   2018-05-03 (Thu, 03 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

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  First pass at varint packet numbers


  Commit: fae6da88e698925e5d19300f51e40167303c4497
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  Author: Brian Trammell <brian@trammell.ch>
  Date:   2018-05-04 (Fri, 04 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  tweaks, thanks Martin and Ian


  Commit: 50f05017ff449405fe14305a510e8b554a86668d
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/50f05017ff449405fe14305a510e8b554a86668d
  Author: Brian Trammell <brian@trammell.ch>
  Date:   2018-05-05 (Sat, 05 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  long headers too


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  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-05-07 (Mon, 07 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Both long and short have varint PN


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@britram pushed 2 commits.

4f8bb35  Both long and short have varint PN
8d49212  Merge pull request #1 from quicwg/long-and-short-varint-pn


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<p><a href="https://github.com/britram" class="user-mention">@britram</a> pushed 2 commits.</p>

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@kazuho okay, this makes sense now. thanks! (and no worries about the time on #1334) -- seems like the discussion over on #1322 is starting to converge, so the ISTM the next step is to propose an alternate PR, and we can talk about this in Stockholm, erm, Kista if we haven't converged by then...

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  Branch: refs/heads/encrypt-key-phase
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 2320678b2058de2e0f37a581e7a88016dfecf582
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  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-05-07 (Mon, 07 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md

  Log Message:
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  TLS draft changes for protecting key phase with PN


  Commit: d20076693596b91d3baadfdd92d54a438caaad02
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  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-05-07 (Mon, 07 May 2018)

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  Move the KEY_PHASE into the short header packet number encoding


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I'm just wondering if 30 bits is sufficient? It effectively only allows for 2^29 packets outstanding which are half a million. Som NIC's push 40 mpps although probably only sustainable at low RTT.

At the other end, I'm guessing that 3 byte packet numbers are going to be the most needed packet number range: 2^22 / 2 * 1500 / sec = 3MB/s or 30Mbps which is a likely limit on domestic streaming video these days.

For these reasons, perhaps a modulo 128 schema where bit 7 of each byte, except the last is set. It would also future proof the design at much higher transmission rates and possibly above 2^62 packet number limit.

I do dislike this modulo 128 design and it goes against other varint encodings, but there are the arguments above.

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  Branch: refs/heads/fix-pn-example
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 3335dd5cb78cc2c150f822153221d938d03a3980
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  Date:   2018-05-07 (Mon, 07 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

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> I'm just wondering if 30 bits is sufficient? It effectively only allows for 2^29 packets outstanding which are half a million.

@mikkelfj Isn't it half a *billion*? I'd assume that that would be enough.

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@britram pushed 2 commits.

3335dd5  Update examples for shorter encodings
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@kazuho indeed, I got confused about a decimal point vs. 1000 sep.

The 3 byte arg. still holds but it is no worse than what is today, and you can't have it all.


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<p><a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-user-id="41567" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/kazuho">@kazuho</a> indeed, I got confused about a decimal point vs. 1000 sep.</p>
<p>The 3 byte arg. still holds but it is no worse than what is today, and you can't have it all.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/encrypt-key-phase
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  Merge branch 'fix-pn-example' into encrypt-key-phase


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Aside from the architectural correctness of this proposal -- the path really doesn't need to see KEY_PHASE, so we shouldn't expose it -- this discussion does seem to take as given that protecting the KEY_PHASE bit will have actual benefits in preventing linkability, which seems to be to be a very dubious assertion.

Very simple timing analysis in most cases will be **so much more useful** in achieving CID linkability than any of the edge cases we're optimizing away now that I'm afraid any additional benefit here is lost in the underflow -- I've filed details on this on ops-drafts as https://github.com/quicwg/ops-drafts/issues/31

Again, this seems like a perfectly reasonable thing to do for the sake of cleanliness and correctness, but I wouldn't want us to do this with any hope that it is actually useful against linkability.

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<p>Aside from the architectural correctness of this proposal -- the path re=
ally doesn't need to see KEY_PHASE, so we shouldn't expose it -- this discu=
ssion does seem to take as given that protecting the KEY_PHASE bit will hav=
e actual benefits in preventing linkability, which seems to be to be a very=
 dubious assertion.</p>
<p>Very simple timing analysis in most cases will be <strong>so much more u=
seful</strong> in achieving CID linkability than any of the edge cases we'r=
e optimizing away now that I'm afraid any additional benefit here is lost i=
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<p>Again, this seems like a perfectly reasonable thing to do for the sake o=
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This is what encrypting the KEY_PHASE might look like, at least to start with.  This builds on #1334.  It's not intended to be merged, just to serve as a discussion point.

@kazuho suggested that we extend the encrypted portion into the type byte.  That's a natural extension of this.  One potential advantage of that is that we might get more bits for packet numbers.

There's also the possibility of making the long and short headers use the same encoding and to use the KEY_PHASE in the long header to indicate use of 0-RTT, which would eliminate the differences I had to introduce here.  I'm sure that there are other options there as well.
You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1339

-- Commit Summary --

  * First pass at varint packet numbers
  * tweaks, thanks Martin and Ian
  * long headers too
  * Both long and short have varint PN
  * TLS draft changes for protecting key phase with PN
  * Move the KEY_PHASE into the short header packet number encoding
  * Update examples for shorter encodings
  * Superficial only
  * Merge branch 'fix-pn-example' into encrypt-key-phase
  * Update examples for varying sizes

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (51)
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (107)

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<p>This is what encrypting the KEY_PHASE might look like, at least to start with.  This builds on <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="319896145" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1334" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1334">#1334</a>.  It's not intended to be merged, just to serve as a discussion point.</p>
<p><a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-user-id="41567" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/kazuho">@kazuho</a> suggested that we extend the encrypted portion into the type byte.  That's a natural extension of this.  One potential advantage of that is that we might get more bits for packet numbers.</p>
<p>There's also the possibility of making the long and short headers use the same encoding and to use the KEY_PHASE in the long header to indicate use of 0-RTT, which would eliminate the differences I had to introduce here.  I'm sure that there are other options there as well.</p>

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<h4>You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:</h4>
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href='https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1339'>https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1339</a></p>

<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
<ul>
  <li>First pass at varint packet numbers</li>
  <li>tweaks, thanks Martin and Ian</li>
  <li>long headers too</li>
  <li>Both long and short have varint PN</li>
  <li>TLS draft changes for protecting key phase with PN</li>
  <li>Move the KEY_PHASE into the short header packet number encoding</li>
  <li>Update examples for shorter encodings</li>
  <li>Superficial only</li>
  <li>Merge branch &#39;fix-pn-example&#39; into encrypt-key-phase</li>
  <li>Update examples for varying sizes</li>
</ul>

<h4>File Changes</h4>
<ul>
  <li>
    <strong>M</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1339/files#diff-0">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>
    (51)
  </li>
  <li>
    <strong>M</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1339/files#diff-1">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>
    (107)
  </li>
</ul>

<h4>Patch Links:</h4>
<ul>
  <li><a href='https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1339.patch'>https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1339.patch</a></li>
  <li><a href='https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1339.diff'>https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1339.diff</a></li>
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quic by default only support ciphertext transmission, in some cases, for example when we're handling multi media that is not data-safe required, plaintext transmission works more efficiently. I have modified the quic source code in TLS negotiation for server to accept plaintext transmission and it work through. So i think plaintext transmission should be presented in new drafts.

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<p>quic by default only support ciphertext transmission, in some cases, for example when we're handling multi media that is not data-safe required, plaintext transmission works more efficiently. I have modified the quic source code in TLS negotiation for server to accept plaintext transmission and it work through. So i think plaintext transmission should be presented in new drafts.</p>

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This is a reasonable use case, but I do not think you will get much traction on this proposal:

The main driver for encryption is that it becomes impossible to create new future protocol versions if data is not encrypted and encryption is considered to be fast.

A single core can encrypt 1GB/s with common hardware accelleration. (Some high end micro controllser have AES accelleration but still lack the CLMUL instruction needed for fast GCM tags, but that will likely change). This covers 10gbps bandwidth with a single core, and it is not uncommon to have multiple cores.

Privacy also has the additional problem that if you can opt out, you can be forced to either opt out or be flagged as suspect. Therefore optional encryption is not good for privacy.

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<p>This is a reasonable use case, but I do not think you will get much trac=
tion on this proposal:</p>
<p>The main driver for encryption is that it becomes impossible to create n=
ew future protocol versions if data is not encrypted and encryption is cons=
idered to be fast.</p>
<p>A single core can encrypt 1GB/s with common hardware accelleration. (Som=
e high end micro controllser have AES accelleration but still lack the CLMU=
L instruction needed for fast GCM tags, but that will likely change). This =
covers 10gbps bandwidth with a single core, and it is not uncommon to have =
multiple cores.</p>
<p>Privacy also has the additional problem that if you can opt out, you can=
 be forced to either opt out or be flagged as suspect. Therefore optional e=
ncryption is not good for privacy.</p>

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Keep in mind that our WG charter explicitly tasked us with producing an **encrypted** protocol, not a sometimes-encrypted protocol. Even if the WG came to consensus on this addition, it woudl certainly require a recharter.

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i suggest that quic is a hypertext transportation protocol over udp, while http is over tcp. http has it's hypertext transmitted in plaintext, why can't we do the same thing with quic. as far as i know, basically from the test result, quic has more cpu consumption than https. it is really nonsense to enable encryption  in some cases. encryption opt should be out to client. 

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<p>i suggest that quic is a hypertext transportation protocol over udp, whi=
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The IETF version of QUIC is a transport protocol, independent of the application mapping. 

A secure transport provides potential benefit over TCP and UDP for many application protocols. Without encryption, QUIC just might not be so useful in comparison to these.

I'd suggest that where a strong case for plaintext HTTP exists, then HTTP over TCP is a suitable option. That's a clear client opt-out possible today.

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Thank you for working on the PR.

> @kazuho suggested that we extend the encrypted portion into the type byte. That's a natural extension of this. One potential advantage of that is that we might get more bits for packet numbers.

Current form of this PR proposes of moving the key-phase bit and the PN lengths bits into the encrypted PN field. It means that the range that can be expressed with certain lengths of the encrypted PN field becomes 2 to 3 bits less than what we have in current draft.

OTOH, if we extend the encrypted portion to the type byte and continue to have the bits there, the range does not change.

So let's consider the numbers. The following is the maximum bandwidth that can be covered with certain lengths of the encrypted PN field for both approaches (see [section 4.8](https://quicwg.github.io/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#rfc.section.4.8) for the relation between the maximum numbers of packets in-flight and the length of the PN field) under the following condition: RTT 100ms, MTU 1400 octets. Note that the calculation depends on BDP, so the bandwidth increases as latency decreases.

|location \ size of encrypted PN|1 octet|2 octets|4 octets|
|:---:|---:|---:|---:|
|bits in encrypted PN field|1.71Mbps|438Mbps|28.7Tbps|
|bits in type|427Kbps|54.7Mbps|3.58Tbps|

Looking at these numbers, I am inclined to having the bits in the type octet, assuming that we care about spending one or two less octet per packet when possible, because IMO we would have certain amount of connections between 427Kbps and 1.71Mbps, or between 54.7Mbps and 438Mbps. (Or if we do not care about spending one less octet, how about removing 1-octet PN from the specification?)

> There's also the possibility of making the long and short headers use the same encoding and to use the KEY_PHASE in the long header to indicate use of 0-RTT, which would eliminate the differences I had to introduce here. I'm sure that there are other options there as well.

I haven't thought of it, but that sounds like an interesting idea. I think it would be great if we could reduce the complexity by adjusting how the bits of the long header are used.

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<p>Thank you for working on the PR.</p>
<blockquote>
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ted portion into the type byte. That's a natural extension of this. One pot=
ential advantage of that is that we might get more bits for packet numbers.=
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<p>Current form of this PR proposes of moving the key-phase bit and the PN =
lengths bits into the encrypted PN field. It means that the range that can =
be expressed with certain lengths of the encrypted PN field becomes 2 to 3 =
bits less than what we have in current draft.</p>
<p>OTOH, if we extend the encrypted portion to the type byte and continue t=
o have the bits there, the range does not change.</p>
<p>So let's consider the numbers. The following is the maximum bandwidth th=
at can be covered with certain lengths of the encrypted PN field for both a=
pproaches (see <a href=3D"https://quicwg.github.io/base-drafts/draft-ietf-q=
uic-transport.html#rfc.section.4.8" rel=3D"nofollow">section 4.8</a> for th=
e relation between the maximum numbers of packets in-flight and the length =
of the PN field) under the following condition: RTT 100ms, MTU 1400 octets.=
 Note that the calculation depends on BDP, so the bandwidth increases as la=
tency decreases.</p>
<table>
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<tr>
<th align=3D"center">location \ size of encrypted PN</th>
<th align=3D"right">1 octet</th>
<th align=3D"right">2 octets</th>
<th align=3D"right">4 octets</th>
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<td align=3D"center">bits in encrypted PN field</td>
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<td align=3D"right">438Mbps</td>
<td align=3D"right">28.7Tbps</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align=3D"center">bits in type</td>
<td align=3D"right">427Kbps</td>
<td align=3D"right">54.7Mbps</td>
<td align=3D"right">3.58Tbps</td>
</tr></tbody></table>
<p>Looking at these numbers, I am inclined to having the bits in the type o=
ctet, assuming that we care about spending one or two less octet per packet=
 when possible, because IMO we would have certain amount of connections bet=
ween 427Kbps and 1.71Mbps, or between 54.7Mbps and 438Mbps. (Or if we do no=
t care about spending one less octet, how about removing 1-octet PN from th=
e specification?)</p>
<blockquote>
<p>There's also the possibility of making the long and short headers use th=
e same encoding and to use the KEY_PHASE in the long header to indicate use=
 of 0-RTT, which would eliminate the differences I had to introduce here. I=
'm sure that there are other options there as well.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I haven't thought of it, but that sounds like an interesting idea. I thi=
nk it would be great if we could reduce the complexity by adjusting how the=
 bits of the long header are used.</p>

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PS. The bandwidth of the chart is calculated based on the statement in section 4.8 stating that
> The sender MUST use a packet number size able to represent more than twice as large a range than the difference between the largest acknowledged packet and packet number being sent.

The thresholds will become smaller (by same proportion) if we consider the following SHOULD:
> An endpoint SHOULD use a large enough packet number encoding to allow the packet number to be recovered even if the packet arrives after packets that are sent afterwards.

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<p>PS. The bandwidth of the chart is calculated based on the statement in s=
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I'm not sure how you get that bandwidth. I would compute it as:

If 1 octet PN has the range 0..127, we can have nearly half that in flight, so roughly 63 packets. Since RTT is 100ms we have 630 packets per second. Each packet has 1400 bytes totalling 630 * 1400 bytes / sec = 882,000 bytes per second or 8 times than in bits per second so 8 * 882,000 bps = 7.056 Mbps. And for actual bandwidth, headers must be accomodated for.

I'm not really sure that using RTT is correct because once the peer gets the packet the number is known and ACK's do not use truncated PN's. So we could actually have twice the above bandwidth or about 14Mbps

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<p>I'm not sure how you get that bandwidth. I would compute it as:</p>
<p>If 1 octet PN has the range 0..127, we can have nearly half that in flig=
ht, so roughly 63 packets. Since RTT is 100ms we have 630 packets per secon=
d. Each packet has 1400 bytes totalling 630 * 1400 bytes / sec =3D 882,000 =
bytes per second or 8 times than in bits per second so 8 * 882,000 bps =3D =
7.056 Mbps. And for actual bandwidth, headers must be accomodated for.</p>
<p>I'm not really sure that using RTT is correct because once the peer gets=
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could actually have twice the above bandwidth or about 14Mbps</p>

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@mikkelfj Thank you for checking the numbers.

> If 1 octet PN has the range 0..127, we can have nearly half that in flight, so roughly 63 packets.

My interpretation of the current draft is that 1 octet PN has the range between -128..127, and that we can send 128 (it might be 127) packets per RTT. Which ends up having 13.7Mbps for 1 octet PN.

Considering the fact that you seem to reach the same number, could it be the case that your confusion is related to how we interpret the draft?

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mm possibly. In the long header there are 7 bits for PN, so you don't have -128..+127, but half that.
For the short headers it is actuall half that again (6 bits) due to the key phase. So bandwidth again halves. Now down to 3.5 Mbps which is, well, you number.


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7b22bf0  Update table caption


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Yes, as I pointed out, moving some of the bits back to the type byte increases these values by the same amount.  But I want to wait to do that until we've sorted out the allocation of bits in that octet.  

Right now we have bits reserved for experimentation (spin bit), bits reserved for migration from Google QUIC, and bits reserved for ease of multiplexing with RT protocols.  That's a thicket we need to navigate before we have any hope of getting more bits back.

FWIW, 3.5Mbps is a fairly generous throughput for a lot of use cases, on no more than one octet of PN.  As mentioned, salvaging just 2 more bits quadruples the usefulness of that single octet, which is a nice gain.

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<p>Yes, as I pointed out, moving some of the bits back to the type byte i=
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> +secrets.  A packet protection key is used to protect the packet number from
+casual observation.  The packet number protection key is derived from the first
+packet protection secret using the label "pn".  This key is produced using the
+same process as the AEAD key and IV, but the value is not updated with each key
+update ({{key-update}}).
+
+~~~
+pn_key = QHKDF-Expand(pp_secret<0>, "pn", pn_key_length)
+~~~
+
+That is, for the algorithms defined in this document, the packet protection key
+is determined to be:
+
+~~~
+client_pn_key  = QHKDF-Expand(client_pp_secret<0>, "pn", 16)
+server_pn_key  = QHKDF-Expand(server_pp_secret<0>, "pn", 16)

My understanding is that `pp_secret` only exists for 1-RTT. Do we need to define similar constructs for handshake secret and 0-RTT secret?

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<p><b>@kazuho</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1339#discussion_r186592320">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +secrets.  A packet protection key is used to protect the packet number from
+casual observation.  The packet number protection key is derived from the first
+packet protection secret using the label &quot;pn&quot;.  This key is produced using the
+same process as the AEAD key and IV, but the value is not updated with each key
+update ({{key-update}}).
+
+~~~
+pn_key = QHKDF-Expand(pp_secret&lt;0&gt;, &quot;pn&quot;, pn_key_length)
+~~~
+
+That is, for the algorithms defined in this document, the packet protection key
+is determined to be:
+
+~~~
+client_pn_key  = QHKDF-Expand(client_pp_secret&lt;0&gt;, &quot;pn&quot;, 16)
+server_pn_key  = QHKDF-Expand(server_pp_secret&lt;0&gt;, &quot;pn&quot;, 16)
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<p>My understanding is that <code>pp_secret</code> only exists for 1-RTT. Do we need to define similar constructs for handshake secret and 0-RTT secret?</p>

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> +secrets.  A packet protection key is used to protect the packet number from
+casual observation.  The packet number protection key is derived from the first
+packet protection secret using the label "pn".  This key is produced using the
+same process as the AEAD key and IV, but the value is not updated with each key
+update ({{key-update}}).
+
+~~~
+pn_key = QHKDF-Expand(pp_secret<0>, "pn", pn_key_length)
+~~~
+
+That is, for the algorithms defined in this document, the packet protection key
+is determined to be:
+
+~~~
+client_pn_key  = QHKDF-Expand(client_pp_secret<0>, "pn", 16)
+server_pn_key  = QHKDF-Expand(server_pp_secret<0>, "pn", 16)

These are examples.  The same secret that you would use for getting a key or IV should work for 0-RTT and the handshake.  That probably needs work though.

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1339#discussion_r186593086">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +secrets.  A packet protection key is used to protect the packet number from
+casual observation.  The packet number protection key is derived from the first
+packet protection secret using the label &quot;pn&quot;.  This key is produced using the
+same process as the AEAD key and IV, but the value is not updated with each key
+update ({{key-update}}).
+
+~~~
+pn_key = QHKDF-Expand(pp_secret&lt;0&gt;, &quot;pn&quot;, pn_key_length)
+~~~
+
+That is, for the algorithms defined in this document, the packet protection key
+is determined to be:
+
+~~~
+client_pn_key  = QHKDF-Expand(client_pp_secret&lt;0&gt;, &quot;pn&quot;, 16)
+server_pn_key  = QHKDF-Expand(server_pp_secret&lt;0&gt;, &quot;pn&quot;, 16)
</pre>
<p>These are examples.  The same secret that you would use for getting a key or IV should work for 0-RTT and the handshake.  That probably needs work though.</p>

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+1 to what @martinthomson says.

So let's my propose a straw-man. How about something like below? The bits marked as "encrypt here" gets XORed by the CTR output.

```
long header:
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|1|P P|0|0|T T T|
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
  |<----->|
 encrypt here

short header:
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|0|P P|K|0|R R R|
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
  |<----->|
 encrypt here

T - long header types
P - PN length bits
K - key-phase bit
R - the reserved bits (e.g. spin bit)
```

Some notes:
* Currently, we have only four long header types, so we might want to steal one bit from `T` and encrypt it for greasing. The downside is that the region which we encrypt becomes different between the two header types.
* Whether a packet is a handshake packet or a 0-RTT protected packet has been left in clear (as the type bits), under the assumption that we would have different pn-keys for the two contexts (see my review comment).
* I haven't changed the demux bit being the 3rd bit (from LSB) of the short header, which is part of the reserved bit.

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<p>So let's my propose a straw-man. How about something like below? The b=
its marked as "encrypt here" gets XORed by the CTR output.</p>
<pre><code>long header:
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|1|P P|0|0|T T T|
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
  |&lt;-----&gt;|
 encrypt here

short header:
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|0|P P|K|0|R R R|
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
  |&lt;-----&gt;|
 encrypt here

T - long header types
P - PN length bits
K - key-phase bit
R - the reserved bits (e.g. spin bit)
</code></pre>
<p>Some notes:</p>
<ul>
<li>Currently, we have only four long header types, so we might want to s=
teal one bit from <code>T</code> and encrypt it for greasing. The downsid=
e is that the region which we encrypt becomes different between the two h=
eader types.</li>
<li>Whether a packet is a handshake packet or a 0-RTT protected packet ha=
s been left in clear (as the type bits), under the assumption that we wou=
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<li>I haven't changed the demux bit being the 3rd bit (from LSB) of the s=
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That sounds reasonable.  I hope that we don't lose it by the time that the opportunity to come back to this comes around :)

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Two very minor nits discovered when looking for something else.
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  * Add colon
  * Only really h2 with TLS

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    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (4)

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<p>Two very minor nits discovered when looking for something else.</p>

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  <li>Add colon</li>
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> @@ -1150,6 +1151,14 @@ language from Section 3 of {{!I-D.ietf-tls-tls13}}.
       };
       TransportParameter parameters<22..2^16-1>;
    } TransportParameters;
+
+   struct {
+     enum { IPv4(4), IPv6(6), (15)} ipVersion;

unbalanced space within curlies

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1251#discussion_r186885985">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1150,6 +1151,14 @@ language from Section 3 of {{!I-D.ietf-tls-tls13}}.
       };
       TransportParameter parameters&lt;22..2^16-1&gt;;
    } TransportParameters;
+
+   struct {
+     enum { IPv4(4), IPv6(6), (15)} ipVersion;
</pre>
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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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  Changed paths:
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We've had this on and off, but it doesn't seem like we've ever concluded.

Arguments for both sides claim simplicity.  It all depends on perspective apparently.

The material difference is that an implicitly opened stream can be used to send.  e.g., if a server receives a STREAM frame for stream 8, then it can now send on stream 4.

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<p>We've had this on and off, but it doesn't seem like we've ever conclud=
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<p>Arguments for both sides claim simplicity.  It all depends on perspect=
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<p>The material difference is that an implicitly opened stream can be use=
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Not seeing this in the current draft.

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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discussed in editors meeting today.
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-- Commit Summary --

  * Suggested additions to agenda

-- File Changes --

    M interim-18-06/agenda.md (10)

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<p>discussed in editors meeting today.</p>

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I think the original issue and discussion are still valid up to draft 11 at least. MAX_PUSH_ID controls push enablement. Lost or delayed packets with this or SETTINGS are subject to the same consideration.

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: e78a934bc5738f5ae8aaf23e7fd78ff830e8fb5b
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  Changed paths:
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  First pass at 7, 14, and 30-bit varint packet numbers (#1334)

* First pass at varint packet numbers

* tweaks, thanks Martin and Ian

* long headers too

* Both long and short have varint PN

* Update examples for shorter encodings

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kazuho commented on this pull request.



> +secrets.  A packet protection key is used to protect the packet number=
 from
+casual observation.  The packet number protection key is derived from th=
e first
+packet protection secret using the label "pn".  This key is produced usi=
ng the
+same process as the AEAD key and IV, but the value is not updated with e=
ach key
+update ({{key-update}}).
+
+~~~
+pn_key =3D QHKDF-Expand(pp_secret<0>, "pn", pn_key_length)
+~~~
+
+That is, for the algorithms defined in this document, the packet protect=
ion key
+is determined to be:
+
+~~~
+client_pn_key  =3D QHKDF-Expand(client_pp_secret<0>, "pn", 16)
+server_pn_key  =3D QHKDF-Expand(server_pp_secret<0>, "pn", 16)

Thank you for the clarification. I think my confusion came from the state=
ment saying
> The packet number protection key is derived from **the first packet pro=
tection secret** using the label "pn".

which seem to imply a 1-RTT secret, since section 5.3.4 (1-RTT secrets) h=
as the following sentence:
> **The initial client packet protection secret** is exported from TLS us=
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<p><b>@kazuho</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1339#discussi=
on_r186911678">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style=3D'color:#555'>&gt; +secrets.  A packet protection key is used=
 to protect the packet number from
+casual observation.  The packet number protection key is derived from th=
e first
+packet protection secret using the label &quot;pn&quot;.  This key is pr=
oduced using the
+same process as the AEAD key and IV, but the value is not updated with e=
ach key
+update ({{key-update}}).
+
+~~~
+pn_key =3D QHKDF-Expand(pp_secret&lt;0&gt;, &quot;pn&quot;, pn_key_lengt=
h)
+~~~
+
+That is, for the algorithms defined in this document, the packet protect=
ion key
+is determined to be:
+
+~~~
+client_pn_key  =3D QHKDF-Expand(client_pp_secret&lt;0&gt;, &quot;pn&quot=
;, 16)
+server_pn_key  =3D QHKDF-Expand(server_pp_secret&lt;0&gt;, &quot;pn&quot=
;, 16)
</pre>
<p>Thank you for the clarification. I think my confusion came from the st=
atement saying</p>
<blockquote>
<p>The packet number protection key is derived from <strong>the first pac=
ket protection secret</strong> using the label "pn".</p>
</blockquote>
<p>which seem to imply a 1-RTT secret, since section 5.3.4 (1-RTT secrets=
) has the following sentence:</p>
<blockquote>
<p><strong>The initial client packet protection secret</strong> is export=
ed from TLS using the exporter label =E2=80=9CEXPORTER-QUIC client 1rtt=E2=
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  * Added meeting venue network info

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    M interim-18-06/arrangements.md (4)

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Just to comment on this particular piece:  The first byte of the long header is version-independent.  The first byte of the short header is version-specific, except for the first bit.  Attempting to keep them quasi-identical might be feasible for v1, but feels like it's somewhere between a bad precedent and wasted effort, since we likely will want to change something here in future versions.

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How about SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS?

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<p>How about SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS?</p>

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During the discussion on #904, it was proposed that a means of using different static tables might be worthwhile.  We've already found that the web has moved on a bit from the headers in RFC 7541, and the same is likely to be true of whatever we put in HQ1.  It might be nice not to need a protocol rev to update the table every few years.

Another reason to support multiple tables:  Both the HPACK and the draft QPACK static table are based on browser web traffic.  Browsers and web aren't the whole of HTTP usage, and other users of HTTP might well define a static table better suited to their needs.  If such a mechanism is available, it might also make sense to define separate client and server tables.

A few models have been suggested, none of them ideal:

1. **An instruction to switch to a new static table.**  Probably difficult to actually work out, because of reordering of request streams with the control stream, but has the advantage that you can start by assuming the default table and switch to another later if the peer supports it.
2. **Crossed SETTINGS values.**  Each side declares its supported tables in preferred order.  Each side encodes using its most preferred table that was also in the peer's list; decode using the first entry in the peer's list that was also in your list.  Requires consuming the server's SETTINGS frame before sending any requests, which clients don't currently have to do, but the requirement to remember settings for 0-RTT plus the server's ability to send in 0.5-RTT makes this less onerous than it would have been in H2.  (Note that this option could also be implemented as an HTTP/2 extension.)
3. **Crossed transport parameter.**  As previous, but carried in a transport parameter.  There are currently no application-level settings exchanged in transport parameters, both due to separation of concerns and because the transport doesn't know in its initial flight what application protocol will be selected (in the general case), so it would need to carry the settings of all application protocols that ALPN is proposing.

I feel like this is interesting, but I'm undecided about whether it's unnecessary feature creep or useful future-proofing.

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<p>During the discussion on <a class=3D"issue-link js-issue-link" data-er=
ror-text=3D"Failed to load issue title" data-id=3D"269606888" data-permis=
sion-text=3D"Issue title is private" data-url=3D"https://github.com/quicw=
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ic tables might be worthwhile.  We've already found that the web has move=
d on a bit from the headers in RFC 7541, and the same is likely to be tru=
e of whatever we put in HQ1.  It might be nice not to need a protocol rev=
 to update the table every few years.</p>
<p>Another reason to support multiple tables:  Both the HPACK and the dra=
ft QPACK static table are based on browser web traffic.  Browsers and web=
 aren't the whole of HTTP usage, and other users of HTTP might well defin=
e a static table better suited to their needs.  If such a mechanism is av=
ailable, it might also make sense to define separate client and server ta=
bles.</p>
<p>A few models have been suggested, none of them ideal:</p>
<ol>
<li><strong>An instruction to switch to a new static table.</strong>  Pro=
bably difficult to actually work out, because of reordering of request st=
reams with the control stream, but has the advantage that you can start b=
y assuming the default table and switch to another later if the peer supp=
orts it.</li>
<li><strong>Crossed SETTINGS values.</strong>  Each side declares its sup=
ported tables in preferred order.  Each side encodes using its most prefe=
rred table that was also in the peer's list; decode using the first entry=
 in the peer's list that was also in your list.  Requires consuming the s=
erver's SETTINGS frame before sending any requests, which clients don't c=
urrently have to do, but the requirement to remember settings for 0-RTT p=
lus the server's ability to send in 0.5-RTT makes this less onerous than =
it would have been in H2.  (Note that this option could also be implement=
ed as an HTTP/2 extension.)</li>
<li><strong>Crossed transport parameter.</strong>  As previous, but carri=
ed in a transport parameter.  There are currently no application-level se=
ttings exchanged in transport parameters, both due to separation of conce=
rns and because the transport doesn't know in its initial flight what app=
lication protocol will be selected (in the general case), so it would nee=
d to carry the settings of all application protocols that ALPN is proposi=
ng.</li>
</ol>
<p>I feel like this is interesting, but I'm undecided about whether it's =
unnecessary feature creep or useful future-proofing.</p>

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I'm going to propose we divide this into two issues.  It seems like we have agreement to replace QPACK's static table; I've received a bit of feedback on the draft that hasn't been incorporated yet, but will probably turn that into a PR soon.

If there's appetite to put in a table negotiation mechanism, let's do that separately.  I've opened #1343 to track that.

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  Branch: refs/heads/qcram_blocking
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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  Changed paths:
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  Added meeting venue network info


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The simplest answer - don't - seems best to me.  The HPACK table is poor, and was poor the day it was released, but that doesn't mean it is useless.  The same is likely to apply to QPACK also.  I think that updating the table based on what we know today is a good move, but a fixed table is OK.

If it were easy to do, then I'd be far more likely to be interested, but as you say it's pretty hard.  The best design is probably to preface every HEADERS frame with a table identifier.  That's close to the instruction idea, but recognizes that every HEADERS frame uses the static table and that synchronization is hard.  That leads me to question whether the extra byte on every frame could be regained by having a better table.  (Yes, the instruction could be dropped once you reached a steady state, but that's both hard to manage; besides, compression efficiency during those first round trips matters most.) 

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<p>The simplest answer - don't - seems best to me.  The HPACK table is po=
or, and was poor the day it was released, but that doesn't mean it is use=
less.  The same is likely to apply to QPACK also.  I think that updating =
the table based on what we know today is a good move, but a fixed table i=
s OK.</p>
<p>If it were easy to do, then I'd be far more likely to be interested, b=
ut as you say it's pretty hard.  The best design is probably to preface e=
very HEADERS frame with a table identifier.  That's close to the instruct=
ion idea, but recognizes that every HEADERS frame uses the static table a=
nd that synchronization is hard.  That leads me to question whether the e=
xtra byte on every frame could be regained by having a better table.  (Ye=
s, the instruction could be dropped once you reached a steady state, but =
that's both hard to manage; besides, compression efficiency during those =
first round trips matters most.)</p>

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I've said it elsewhere but will will do so again, I like the broad concept for the reasons you put so well. I don't like option 3 because it breaks layering.

It might be worth clarifying if proposed models require modification to the QPACK behavioural / algorithmic side, or if this is purely a data structure form of change (that needs bootstrapping support independent of QPACK). Having an answer to that might help settle fears that QPACK is unstable.

If this is just data structures + bootstrap, I think this might be merit in running this as an experiment for possible inclusion at a later stage, without being critical to the delivery of HTTP/QUIC. 

So while we are here, the other model I've considered is: 

Alt-Svc advertisement of static table(s). E.g. a base64 encoded representation of the table(s) that MAY be used to communicate with the alternative. When a client connects to the alternative this is validated (somehow, maybe option 2). This could support split tables, with the server mandating what tables it is expecting the client to use, this maybe addresses client waiting for SETTINGS. Clients don't attempt to connect to alternatives that are advertised tables they are unhappy with.

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<p>I've said it elsewhere but will will do so again, I like the broad con=
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<p>It might be worth clarifying if proposed models require modification t=
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tructure form of change (that needs bootstrapping support independent of =
QPACK). Having an answer to that might help settle fears that QPACK is un=
stable.</p>
<p>If this is just data structures + bootstrap, I think this might be mer=
it in running this as an experiment for possible inclusion at a later sta=
ge, without being critical to the delivery of HTTP/QUIC.</p>
<p>So while we are here, the other model I've considered is:</p>
<p>Alt-Svc advertisement of static table(s). E.g. a base64 encoded repres=
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tive. When a client connects to the alternative this is validated (someho=
w, maybe option 2). This could support split tables, with the server mand=
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martinthomson requested changes on this pull request.

Worked it out.  No need for the term "vulnerable" at all.

> @@ -95,17 +95,29 @@ reintroduced by HPACK when the loss includes a HEADERS frame.
 
 ## Avoiding Head-of-Line Blocking in HTTP/QUIC {#overview-hol-avoidance}
 
-In the example above, the second stream contained a reference to data
-which might not yet have been processed by the recipient.  Such references
-are called "vulnerable," because the loss of a different packet can keep
-the reference from being usable.
-
-The encoder can choose on a per-header-block basis whether to favor higher
+Because QUIC does not guarantee order between data on different streams, a
+reference might be received on a request stream to an entry which is not yet in

request streams aren't the only affected streams

"a header block might reference an entry in the dynamic table that has not yet been received."

> @@ -95,17 +95,29 @@ reintroduced by HPACK when the loss includes a HEADERS frame.
 
 ## Avoiding Head-of-Line Blocking in HTTP/QUIC {#overview-hol-avoidance}
 
-In the example above, the second stream contained a reference to data
-which might not yet have been processed by the recipient.  Such references
-are called "vulnerable," because the loss of a different packet can keep
-the reference from being usable.
-
-The encoder can choose on a per-header-block basis whether to favor higher
+Because QUIC does not guarantee order between data on different streams, a
+reference might be received on a request stream to an entry which is not yet in
+the dynamic table. References are called "vulnerable" when they refer to entries
+whose receipt has not been confirmed by the peer, because loss or reordering can
+keep the reference from being immediately usable.  If the reference cannot be
+immediately processed on receipt, the stream is considered "blocked."

I *still* don't like "vulnerable" and I think that I understand better now.  The problem is that you are putting the cart before the horse.  The problem is that the decoder might block.  The focus on the encoder side is wrong.

Hence, I suggest, without the word "vulnerable" at all:

> [The QUIC is not ordered preface]. A decoder that receives a reference to a dynamic table entry that has not been received is "blocked".
>
> An encoder can decide whether to risk having a header block becoming blocked at a decoder.  Compression efficiency can be improved by referencing dynamic table entries that are still in transit, but if there is packet loss or reordering a decoder can become blocked.  An encoder avoids the risk of blocking by only referencing dynamic table entries that have been acknowledged, though this means using literals, which make the header block larger.  Larger header blocks can result in an encoder become blocked on congestion or flow control limits.
>
> A decoder can permit the possibility of blocking references using the SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKING_REFERENCES setting.  This setting sets an upper bound on the number of header blocks that can reference unacknowledged entries in the dynamic table.  An encoder respects this setting when deciding whether to reference unacknowledged dynamic table entries.
>
> Every header block contains a Largest Reference (see ...).  This is used to determine the minimum number of entries need to be present in the dynamic table before the header block can be successfully decoded.  A decoder becomes blocked if the Largest Reference is greater than the number of dynamic table entries that it has received.
>
> An encoder MUST limit the number of unacknowledged header blocks that reference unacknowledged dynamic table entries to the value of the SETTINGS_...  A decoder that is blocked on a number of header blocks equal to the limit it advertised SHOULD treat receipt of an additional blocked header block [awkward] as a stream error of type HTTP_...

Or something like that. 

> @@ -547,9 +559,9 @@ have outstanding (unacknowledged) references.
 An encoder MUST ensure that a header block which references a dynamic table
 entry is not received by the decoder after the referenced entry has already been
 evicted, and MUST ensure that the decoder will not suffer head-of-line blocking
-if the decoder has not opted to receive blocking references. Even if the decoder
-is willing to process blocking references, the encoder might choose to avoid
-them in certain cases.
+if the decoder has not opted to receive vulnerable references. Even if the

End the sentence after "evicted".  Then "An encoder also respects the limit set by the decoder on the number of header blocks that are allow to be blocked."

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> requested changes on this pull request.</p>

<p>Worked it out.  No need for the term "vulnerable" at all.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1143#discussion_r187188946">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -95,17 +95,29 @@ reintroduced by HPACK when the loss includes a HEADERS frame.
 
 ## Avoiding Head-of-Line Blocking in HTTP/QUIC {#overview-hol-avoidance}
 
-In the example above, the second stream contained a reference to data
-which might not yet have been processed by the recipient.  Such references
-are called &quot;vulnerable,&quot; because the loss of a different packet can keep
-the reference from being usable.
-
-The encoder can choose on a per-header-block basis whether to favor higher
+Because QUIC does not guarantee order between data on different streams, a
+reference might be received on a request stream to an entry which is not yet in
</pre>
<p>request streams aren't the only affected streams</p>
<p>"a header block might reference an entry in the dynamic table that has not yet been received."</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1143#discussion_r187194545">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -95,17 +95,29 @@ reintroduced by HPACK when the loss includes a HEADERS frame.
 
 ## Avoiding Head-of-Line Blocking in HTTP/QUIC {#overview-hol-avoidance}
 
-In the example above, the second stream contained a reference to data
-which might not yet have been processed by the recipient.  Such references
-are called &quot;vulnerable,&quot; because the loss of a different packet can keep
-the reference from being usable.
-
-The encoder can choose on a per-header-block basis whether to favor higher
+Because QUIC does not guarantee order between data on different streams, a
+reference might be received on a request stream to an entry which is not yet in
+the dynamic table. References are called &quot;vulnerable&quot; when they refer to entries
+whose receipt has not been confirmed by the peer, because loss or reordering can
+keep the reference from being immediately usable.  If the reference cannot be
+immediately processed on receipt, the stream is considered &quot;blocked.&quot;
</pre>
<p>I <em>still</em> don't like "vulnerable" and I think that I understand better now.  The problem is that you are putting the cart before the horse.  The problem is that the decoder might block.  The focus on the encoder side is wrong.</p>
<p>Hence, I suggest, without the word "vulnerable" at all:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>[The QUIC is not ordered preface]. A decoder that receives a reference to a dynamic table entry that has not been received is "blocked".</p>
<p>An encoder can decide whether to risk having a header block becoming blocked at a decoder.  Compression efficiency can be improved by referencing dynamic table entries that are still in transit, but if there is packet loss or reordering a decoder can become blocked.  An encoder avoids the risk of blocking by only referencing dynamic table entries that have been acknowledged, though this means using literals, which make the header block larger.  Larger header blocks can result in an encoder become blocked on congestion or flow control limits.</p>
<p>A decoder can permit the possibility of blocking references using the SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKING_REFERENCES setting.  This setting sets an upper bound on the number of header blocks that can reference unacknowledged entries in the dynamic table.  An encoder respects this setting when deciding whether to reference unacknowledged dynamic table entries.</p>
<p>Every header block contains a Largest Reference (see ...).  This is used to determine the minimum number of entries need to be present in the dynamic table before the header block can be successfully decoded.  A decoder becomes blocked if the Largest Reference is greater than the number of dynamic table entries that it has received.</p>
<p>An encoder MUST limit the number of unacknowledged header blocks that reference unacknowledged dynamic table entries to the value of the SETTINGS_...  A decoder that is blocked on a number of header blocks equal to the limit it advertised SHOULD treat receipt of an additional blocked header block [awkward] as a stream error of type HTTP_...</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Or something like that.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1143#discussion_r187194943">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -547,9 +559,9 @@ have outstanding (unacknowledged) references.
 An encoder MUST ensure that a header block which references a dynamic table
 entry is not received by the decoder after the referenced entry has already been
 evicted, and MUST ensure that the decoder will not suffer head-of-line blocking
-if the decoder has not opted to receive blocking references. Even if the decoder
-is willing to process blocking references, the encoder might choose to avoid
-them in certain cases.
+if the decoder has not opted to receive vulnerable references. Even if the
</pre>
<p>End the sentence after "evicted".  Then "An encoder also respects the limit set by the decoder on the number of header blocks that are allow to be blocked."</p>

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> @@ -95,17 +95,29 @@ reintroduced by HPACK when the loss includes a HEADERS frame.
 
 ## Avoiding Head-of-Line Blocking in HTTP/QUIC {#overview-hol-avoidance}
 
-In the example above, the second stream contained a reference to data
-which might not yet have been processed by the recipient.  Such references
-are called "vulnerable," because the loss of a different packet can keep
-the reference from being usable.
-
-The encoder can choose on a per-header-block basis whether to favor higher
+Because QUIC does not guarantee order between data on different streams, a
+reference might be received on a request stream to an entry which is not yet in
+the dynamic table. References are called "vulnerable" when they refer to entries
+whose receipt has not been confirmed by the peer, because loss or reordering can
+keep the reference from being immediately usable.  If the reference cannot be
+immediately processed on receipt, the stream is considered "blocked."

I think this is a workable direction.  We should be consistent about blocked vs blocking (I prefer blocked), and what is blocked - is it the stream, header block, or reference?

A single header block may contain many references to unacknowledged entries, so it's not blocked references the decoder is counting, but header blocks.  It seems logical that the entire stream should be blocked until the blocked header block is decoded, but perhaps the text needs to be more explicit about it.

All of this to say that I like Mike's suggestion: SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS.

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<p><b>@afrind</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1143#discussion_r187198485">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -95,17 +95,29 @@ reintroduced by HPACK when the loss includes a HEADERS frame.
 
 ## Avoiding Head-of-Line Blocking in HTTP/QUIC {#overview-hol-avoidance}
 
-In the example above, the second stream contained a reference to data
-which might not yet have been processed by the recipient.  Such references
-are called &quot;vulnerable,&quot; because the loss of a different packet can keep
-the reference from being usable.
-
-The encoder can choose on a per-header-block basis whether to favor higher
+Because QUIC does not guarantee order between data on different streams, a
+reference might be received on a request stream to an entry which is not yet in
+the dynamic table. References are called &quot;vulnerable&quot; when they refer to entries
+whose receipt has not been confirmed by the peer, because loss or reordering can
+keep the reference from being immediately usable.  If the reference cannot be
+immediately processed on receipt, the stream is considered &quot;blocked.&quot;
</pre>
<p>I think this is a workable direction.  We should be consistent about blocked vs blocking (I prefer blocked), and what is blocked - is it the stream, header block, or reference?</p>
<p>A single header block may contain many references to unacknowledged entries, so it's not blocked references the decoder is counting, but header blocks.  It seems logical that the entire stream should be blocked until the blocked header block is decoded, but perhaps the text needs to be more explicit about it.</p>
<p>All of this to say that I like Mike's suggestion: SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS.</p>

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While they'd be separate documents, I'd like to look at H2 and HQ together for a single design if we want it in both.  I agree that the transport needs to be treated separately, though.

There are only 255 frame types, so it's a much less expansive space from which to steal a swath of values.  Grease is most useful when you have such a large set of grease values that it's easier to properly handle unknown values than to hardcode the grease values.  We could reasonably do something like `0x?b` being reserved for GREASE in both H2 and HQ, but that's only 16 values, so it's hard to argue it's prohibitive for someone to just hardcode their handling of them.

Settings are easier, and `0x?a?a` seems fine there.

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<p>While they'd be separate documents, I'd like to look at H2 and HQ toge=
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<p>There are only 255 frame types, so it's a much less expansive space fr=
om which to steal a swath of values.  Grease is most useful when you have=
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known values than to hardcode the grease values.  We could reasonably do =
something like <code>0x?b</code> being reserved for GREASE in both H2 and=
 HQ, but that's only 16 values, so it's hard to argue it's prohibitive fo=
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<p>Settings are easier, and <code>0x?a?a</code> seems fine there.</p>

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I ran a simulation of QPACK with the static table in the wiki, and found it was worse for request performance, because :path moved from 4 to 60.  Depends on your encoding strategy of course, but I think shuffling the table a bit could help improve compression.

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> @@ -95,17 +95,29 @@ reintroduced by HPACK when the loss includes a HEADERS frame.
 
 ## Avoiding Head-of-Line Blocking in HTTP/QUIC {#overview-hol-avoidance}
 
-In the example above, the second stream contained a reference to data
-which might not yet have been processed by the recipient.  Such references
-are called "vulnerable," because the loss of a different packet can keep
-the reference from being usable.
-
-The encoder can choose on a per-header-block basis whether to favor higher
+Because QUIC does not guarantee order between data on different streams, a
+reference might be received on a request stream to an entry which is not yet in
+the dynamic table. References are called "vulnerable" when they refer to entries
+whose receipt has not been confirmed by the peer, because loss or reordering can
+keep the reference from being immediately usable.  If the reference cannot be
+immediately processed on receipt, the stream is considered "blocked."

Yes, I think that the unit is header blocks.  A decoder is blocked on the decoding of a header block.  

We can generalize that to streams, since the correspondence is perfect to streams: a blocked header block is a blocked stream.  In fact, we should...

Thinking more about that, if an endpoint is silly and they read a blocked header block, then concentrating on header blocks might be wrong.  A message with trailers has two header blocks and if both are blocked, you might expect the encoder to only account for one lot of blocking.  But a silly decoder might find itself blocked on both header and trailer at the same time.  Specifying this as the number of streams that have a decoder blocked on the decoding of a header block with unresolved references to the dynamic table is ideal.

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1143#discussion_r187219662">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -95,17 +95,29 @@ reintroduced by HPACK when the loss includes a HEADERS frame.
 
 ## Avoiding Head-of-Line Blocking in HTTP/QUIC {#overview-hol-avoidance}
 
-In the example above, the second stream contained a reference to data
-which might not yet have been processed by the recipient.  Such references
-are called &quot;vulnerable,&quot; because the loss of a different packet can keep
-the reference from being usable.
-
-The encoder can choose on a per-header-block basis whether to favor higher
+Because QUIC does not guarantee order between data on different streams, a
+reference might be received on a request stream to an entry which is not yet in
+the dynamic table. References are called &quot;vulnerable&quot; when they refer to entries
+whose receipt has not been confirmed by the peer, because loss or reordering can
+keep the reference from being immediately usable.  If the reference cannot be
+immediately processed on receipt, the stream is considered &quot;blocked.&quot;
</pre>
<p>Yes, I think that the unit is header blocks.  A decoder is blocked on the decoding of a header block.</p>
<p>We can generalize that to streams, since the correspondence is perfect to streams: a blocked header block is a blocked stream.  In fact, we should...</p>
<p>Thinking more about that, if an endpoint is silly and they read a blocked header block, then concentrating on header blocks might be wrong.  A message with trailers has two header blocks and if both are blocked, you might expect the encoder to only account for one lot of blocking.  But a silly decoder might find itself blocked on both header and trailer at the same time.  Specifying this as the number of streams that have a decoder blocked on the decoding of a header block with unresolved references to the dynamic table is ideal.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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  De-dangle


  Commit: 41f083812194c798958d8858fa52781d2f66867c
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I'm a little concerned about exhaustion of frame types, and we probably should be more because 256 is a pretty small space and 16 is a non-trivial chunk of that space.

Maybe pick a number of frames to reserve and define a simple formula to match: `t = 0xa + 0x10 * rand()` isn't the only formula we can use here.  For instance, changing 0x10 to 0x1f halves the number of reserved codepoints.  Or just pick a handful of specific values to reserve.  Picking from a list of 3 or 4 values is easy for a greaser to use.

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  Branch: refs/heads/narrow-lint
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Note that this doesn't filter out non-markdown drafts, so this will fail in the general case, but I don't think that we'll have that problem here.

Fixes #martinthomson/i-d-template#143 for @MikeBishop.  I hope.
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<p>Note that this doesn't filter out non-markdown drafts, so this will fa=
il in the general case, but I don't think that we'll have that problem he=
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<p>Fixes #martinthomson/i-d-template#143 for <a class=3D"user-mention" da=
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> Just to comment on this particular piece: The first byte of the long header is version-independent. The first byte of the short header is version-specific, except for the first bit.

Would you mind elaborating why it is? By looking at the charts of [section 4 of the Invariants draft](https://quicwg.github.io/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-invariants.html#rfc.section.4), my understanding is that only the most significant bit is an invariant for both the long and the short header.

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Based on discussion in Melbourne (and since), I don't think that we can punt on this.  There's a desire to have this capability, but no agreement on the mechanism.

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  Branch: refs/heads/encrypt-key-phase
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 2399e96867f5f263c8245082a64dbbfa2bd7fdc8
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2399e96867f5f263c8245082a64dbbfa2bd7fdc8
  Author: janaiyengar <jri.ietf@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-05-04 (Fri, 04 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Rephrase text in PLPMTUD (#1337)

* Rephrase text in PLPMTUD

* ian's comments


  Commit: dc1699f4c202cfabac6ab314556447fe47b627c3
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/dc1699f4c202cfabac6ab314556447fe47b627c3
  Author: Mike Bishop <mbishop@evequefou.be>
  Date:   2018-05-08 (Tue, 08 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Server's preferred address (#1251)

* First pass at server preferred address

* Don't call it server migration

* Other review feedback

* }}}}

* {{[^{}]+}}}

* Fix ref

* Jana's feedback

* Changelog

* Change changelog


  Commit: bf77eadb9cac70cc4c0ddcbd1f40ccfeccb086ed
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/bf77eadb9cac70cc4c0ddcbd1f40ccfeccb086ed
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  Date:   2018-05-08 (Tue, 08 May 2018)

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  Log Message:
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  Add colon


  Commit: f4c26d36d63be63d2c7b7b351bb6480183ea28c6
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  Date:   2018-05-08 (Tue, 08 May 2018)

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  Log Message:
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  Only really h2 with TLS


  Commit: e78a934bc5738f5ae8aaf23e7fd78ff830e8fb5b
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e78a934bc5738f5ae8aaf23e7fd78ff830e8fb5b
  Author: Brian Trammell <brian@trammell.ch>
  Date:   2018-05-08 (Tue, 08 May 2018)

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  First pass at 7, 14, and 30-bit varint packet numbers (#1334)

* First pass at varint packet numbers

* tweaks, thanks Martin and Ian

* long headers too

* Both long and short have varint PN

* Update examples for shorter encodings

* Update table caption

* indent


  Commit: 503dd6b1dcb6b770309727dba2eea5b9ada05853
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/503dd6b1dcb6b770309727dba2eea5b9ada05853
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  Date:   2018-05-10 (Thu, 10 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  De-dangle


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      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/41f083812194c798958d8858fa52781d2f66867c
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  Date:   2018-05-10 (Thu, 10 May 2018)

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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #1344 from LPardue/patch-13

De-dangle


  Commit: 50fab43885fcc97792b0e65509825f86b5632562
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/50fab43885fcc97792b0e65509825f86b5632562
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-05-10 (Thu, 10 May 2018)

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    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md
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  Merge branch 'master' into encrypt-key-phase


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  Branch: refs/heads/stateless-reset-fixes
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 0cb4b25e2270015d9b2d1195413b9bd763b126fe
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  Date:   2018-05-10 (Thu, 10 May 2018)

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  Stateless Reset Cleanup

The Stateless Reset is just a bunch of random bytes except the first one and the token, so I simplified the spec to reflect that.


  Commit: 70b9cff18c2ff040ece204c32a0dc38fc5a18e47
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  Date:   2018-05-10 (Thu, 10 May 2018)

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  Log Message:
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  Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

Improved logical ordering of paragraphs.


  Commit: 93f567c13e6a8ba4a7723efbbe9cc679f15b1d71
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  Date:   2018-05-10 (Thu, 10 May 2018)

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  Log Message:
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  Polishing PR#1328


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  Date:   2018-05-10 (Thu, 10 May 2018)

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  Log Message:
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  wip


  Commit: 5ebb357480039e21bfb1fe57b03a524bf669bf30
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  Make stateless reset symmetric

Closes #466.


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  Date:   2018-05-10 (Thu, 10 May 2018)

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  Log Message:
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  DoS considerations for stateless reset


  Commit: 5266bccaeb118d006a332ce4a1d1111172c4f334
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  Date:   2018-05-10 (Thu, 10 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Require coextant connection IDs and stateless reset keys

Otherwise, there is a DoS risk.


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Inspired by @martinduke's #1328, I set to cleaning a few things up.  You can see separate commits here that:

* Take Martin's simplification suggestions
* Reword a few things based on review
* Make stateless reset symmetric
* Add a paragraph limiting the size of stateless reset (for amplification attack reasons)
* Add a point that @kazuho and I discussed somewhere about the scope of the stateless reset key and connection IDs (which opens a different DoS vector if they don't line up correctly).  That's partly addressed by the inclusion of an instance identifier in the calculation of the token, but the point is that you probably want instance X to be able to reset connections for instance Y if Y is out of commission, so you end up with the potential for DoS if you aren't careful to ensure that X and Y use different connection IDs.

Closes #466, #1328.
You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1346

-- Commit Summary --

  * Stateless Reset Cleanup
  * Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md
  * Polishing PR#1328
  * wip
  * Make stateless reset symmetric
  * DoS considerations for stateless reset
  * Require coextant connection IDs and stateless reset keys

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (150)

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https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1346.diff

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<p>Inspired by <a class=3D"user-mention" data-hovercard-user-id=3D"243988=
65" data-octo-click=3D"hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions=3D"link=
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ate" data-url=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1328" href=3D=
"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1328">#1328</a>, I set to cle=
aning a few things up.  You can see separate commits here that:</p>
<ul>
<li>Take Martin's simplification suggestions</li>
<li>Reword a few things based on review</li>
<li>Make stateless reset symmetric</li>
<li>Add a paragraph limiting the size of stateless reset (for amplificati=
on attack reasons)</li>
<li>Add a point that <a class=3D"user-mention" data-hovercard-user-id=3D"=
41567" data-octo-click=3D"hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions=3D"l=
ink_type:self" href=3D"https://github.com/kazuho">@kazuho</a> and I discu=
ssed somewhere about the scope of the stateless reset key and connection =
IDs (which opens a different DoS vector if they don't line up correctly).=
  That's partly addressed by the inclusion of an instance identifier in t=
he calculation of the token, but the point is that you probably want inst=
ance X to be able to reset connections for instance Y if Y is out of comm=
ission, so you end up with the potential for DoS if you aren't careful to=
 ensure that X and Y use different connection IDs.</li>
</ul>
<p><span class=3D"issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label=3D"T=
his pull request closes issue #466.">Closes</span> <a class=3D"issue-link=
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cwg/base-drafts/pull/1328">#1328</a>.</p>

<hr>

<h4>You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:</h4>
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=3D'https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1346=
'>https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1346</a></p>

<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
<ul>
  <li>Stateless Reset Cleanup</li>
  <li>Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</li>
  <li>Polishing PR#1328</li>
  <li>wip</li>
  <li>Make stateless reset symmetric</li>
  <li>DoS considerations for stateless reset</li>
  <li>Require coextant connection IDs and stateless reset keys</li>
</ul>

<h4>File Changes</h4>
<ul>
  <li>
    <strong>M</strong>
    <a href=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1346/files#diff=
-0">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>
    (150)
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</ul>

<h4>Patch Links:</h4>
<ul>
  <li><a href=3D'https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1346.patch'>h=
ttps://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1346.patch</a></li>
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I'm putting this one on the v2 list.  The basic idea that Igor raised here is sound, but it has evolved into a means of priming 0-RTT using external means.  That's definitely something that I'm interested in, but I think that this is sufficiently non-trivial that it deserves its own effort.  As ekr says, it's hard.  And we clearly don't have time for that in version 1.

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This is unlikely to move in v1.  I'm marking this v2.  New information will be needed for us to move this back into consideration.

Note that we do have considerable flexibility in the values that we choose to put in the connection ID slot, so it's not impossible to consider a scheme, but the multi-party nature of the communication involved (client-load balancer-server) and the constraints we set ourselves (size, computation) mean that this is currently in the too-hard basket.

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Fixed by #1262 \o/.  Thanks Kazuho.

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martinduke approved this pull request.

Is it possible to send a stateless reset in response to a long header? This would not happen very often, but if so we probably ought to send SR with a Long Header, and specify that somewhere in here.

Otherwise, this looks good to me.

> -
-This design relies on the client always sending a connection ID in its packets
-so that the server can use the connection ID from a packet to reset the
-connection.  A server that uses this design cannot allow clients to use a
+keying material, with instance and connection identifiers as salt).  The output
+of this function is truncated to 16 octets to produce the Stateless Reset Token
+for that connection.
+
+An endpoint that loses state can use the same method to generate a valid
+Stateless Reset Secret.  The connection ID comes from the packet that the
+endpoint receives.  An instance that receives a packet for another instance
+might recover the instance identifier from the connection ID.
+
+This design relies on the peer always sending a connection ID in its packets so
+that the endpoint can use the connection ID from a packet to reset the
+connection.  An endpoint that uses this design cannot allow its peers to use a

"... cannot allow its peers to send packets with a zero-length destination connection ID"

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<p><b>@martinduke</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<p>Is it possible to send a stateless reset in response to a long header?=
 This would not happen very often, but if so we probably ought to send SR=
 with a Long Header, and specify that somewhere in here.</p>
<p>Otherwise, this looks good to me.</p><hr>

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<pre style=3D'color:#555'>&gt; -
-This design relies on the client always sending a connection ID in its p=
ackets
-so that the server can use the connection ID from a packet to reset the
-connection.  A server that uses this design cannot allow clients to use =
a
+keying material, with instance and connection identifiers as salt).  The=
 output
+of this function is truncated to 16 octets to produce the Stateless Rese=
t Token
+for that connection.
+
+An endpoint that loses state can use the same method to generate a valid=

+Stateless Reset Secret.  The connection ID comes from the packet that th=
e
+endpoint receives.  An instance that receives a packet for another insta=
nce
+might recover the instance identifier from the connection ID.
+
+This design relies on the peer always sending a connection ID in its pac=
kets so
+that the endpoint can use the connection ID from a packet to reset the
+connection.  An endpoint that uses this design cannot allow its peers to=
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  Branch: refs/heads/bad-packets
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: f125a502689429e69d4a52f4ed9c9c18b185b06f
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f125a502689429e69d4a52f4ed9c9c18b185b06f
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-05-10 (Thu, 10 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Write down spoofed packet guarantees

We agreed to this a while back, but never got around to putting the conclusions in the document.  We've done some of the work by writing down the rules for use of CONNECTION_CLOSE and TLS alerts, and the related changes, but the basic principles never got articulated.

This attempts to outline what we do to authenticate packets that we receive.

* Once the handshake is done, it's mostly simple: if the AEAD fails, drop it.
* We have a small carve-out for some types of ICMP, with some strong limitations on what that information can be used for.  @igorlord might expand the PMTU usage to cover DestUnreach, but these uses permit a very narrow range of actions.
* We also have stateless reset, which is another snowflake.
* The bulk of the text here concerns the handshake.  I've covered the two mechanisms we tie into the use of connection IDs:
** Echoing the value (the only protection we have for Version Negotiation, for instance).
** The AEAD that uses the connection ID as input.

And then it explains that our only defense against an on-path attacker is to fail to establish a connection.  I think that covers all the necessary points.

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We agreed to this a while back, but never got around to putting the conclusions in the document.  We've done some of the work by writing down the rules for use of CONNECTION_CLOSE and TLS alerts, and the related changes, but the basic principles never got articulated.

This attempts to outline what we do to authenticate packets that we receive.

* Once the handshake is done, it's mostly simple: if the AEAD fails, drop it.
* We have a small carve-out for some types of ICMP, with some strong limitations on what that information can be used for.  @igorlord might expand the PMTU usage to cover DestUnreach, but these uses permit a very narrow range of actions.
* We also have stateless reset, which is another snowflake.
* The bulk of the text here concerns the handshake.  I've covered the two mechanisms we tie into the use of connection IDs:
** Echoing the value (the only protection we have for Version Negotiation, for instance).
** The AEAD that uses the connection ID as input.

And then it explains that our only defense against an on-path attacker is to fail to establish a connection.  I think that covers all the necessary points.

Closes #645.
You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1347

-- Commit Summary --

  * Write down spoofed packet guarantees

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (51)

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<p>We agreed to this a while back, but never got around to putting the co=
nclusions in the document.  We've done some of the work by writing down t=
he rules for use of CONNECTION_CLOSE and TLS alerts, and the related chan=
ges, but the basic principles never got articulated.</p>
<p>This attempts to outline what we do to authenticate packets that we re=
ceive.</p>
<ul>
<li>Once the handshake is done, it's mostly simple: if the AEAD fails, dr=
op it.</li>
<li>We have a small carve-out for some types of ICMP, with some strong li=
mitations on what that information can be used for.  <a class=3D"user-men=
tion" data-hovercard-user-id=3D"25256216" data-octo-click=3D"hovercard-li=
nk-click" data-octo-dimensions=3D"link_type:self" href=3D"https://github.=
com/igorlord">@igorlord</a> might expand the PMTU usage to cover DestUnre=
ach, but these uses permit a very narrow range of actions.</li>
<li>We also have stateless reset, which is another snowflake.</li>
<li>The bulk of the text here concerns the handshake.  I've covered the t=
wo mechanisms we tie into the use of connection IDs:<br>
** Echoing the value (the only protection we have for Version Negotiation=
, for instance).<br>
** The AEAD that uses the connection ID as input.</li>
</ul>
<p>And then it explains that our only defense against an on-path attacker=
 is to fail to establish a connection.  I think that covers all the neces=
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<p><span class=3D"issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label=3D"T=
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  Branch: refs/heads/stateless-reset-fixes
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770fffc  Fixup for Martin's comments


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I think that we permit these, and it seems reasonable to send one.  I don't think that there is any reason why this wouldn't work, even if it is unlikely that an endpoint would find itself in a position where it needed to send one.  For instance, a server might want to send one in response to the second client flight.  But then it might be able to wait for the packets with short headers to arrive.

We might want to tighten things up a little in a few places so that this is clearer if we intend to allow it.

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<p>We might want to tighten things up a little in a few places so that th=
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Thanks for the quick review.

Nothing specifically prevents an endpoints from sending stateless reset in response to a long header.  I've opened #1348 in case I missed something, because I have to move on to something else now :(.

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<p>Thanks for the quick review.</p>
<p>Nothing specifically prevents an endpoints from sending stateless rese=
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Q: In what case would the sender of the long header packet have the information necessary to validate the stateless reset?  It's in the TransportParameters, which are only available at the end of the handshake.

So I'd be inclined to say don't send them because they're useless, unless there's a case I'm missing.

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I think the Alt-Svc advertisement proposed by @LPardue is a good idea.  The client can just use the static QPACK table that it knows the server supports.

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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  Changed paths:
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Actually, while this may turn into a separate issue, I just saw that the =
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> When a 1-RTT QUIC connection is being used, the client MUST NOT send re=
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So that's already there, and if we find it objectionable, we should open =
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The Alt-Svc thing is an interesting option.  It differs from our current =
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<p>Actually, while this may turn into a separate issue, I just saw that t=
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I see the issue -- on the server, you don't know whether you're temporarily blocked or permanently disabled.  A server could heuristically guess that if it hasn't seen a MAX_PUSH_ID frame after a RTT or so then one isn't coming, but there's some value in an affirmative declaration of "don't bother deciding what to push."

We actually don't have this with SETTINGS, as each peer is currently required to have seen the other side's SETTINGS frame before sending request/response data.

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<p>I see the issue -- on the server, you don't know whether you're temporar=
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<p>We actually don't have this with SETTINGS, as each peer is currently req=
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Yes -- I'd been looking at putting things "above the fold" for indexing purposes, which is <64, but for name references, above the fold is <16 now.  Things which are especially common and unlikely to get indexed need to move to the very top, especially client-sent fields.  At a first pass,

- `:path` obviously
- `date`
- `referrer`
- `content-length` probably
- `:authority` and/or `host` perhaps, though it's likely to get indexed after the first use
- `cookie` in case they're not being indexed
- `etag` probably
- `alt-svc` maybe, but likely to get indexed after the first use
- `location` probably
- `link` probably
- `if-*` probably

...and that probably fills out the top 16.  Would be interesting to have statistics of which headers are the most commonly name-referenced, but that's likely to be implementation-dependent.

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<p>Yes -- I'd been looking at putting things "above the fold" for indexin=
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<li><code>:path</code> obviously</li>
<li><code>date</code></li>
<li><code>referrer</code></li>
<li><code>content-length</code> probably</li>
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<li><code>cookie</code> in case they're not being indexed</li>
<li><code>etag</code> probably</li>
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<li><code>location</code> probably</li>
<li><code>link</code> probably</li>
<li><code>if-*</code> probably</li>
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<p>...and that probably fills out the top 16.  Would be interesting to ha=
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> @@ -95,17 +95,29 @@ reintroduced by HPACK when the loss includes a HEADERS frame.
 
 ## Avoiding Head-of-Line Blocking in HTTP/QUIC {#overview-hol-avoidance}
 
-In the example above, the second stream contained a reference to data
-which might not yet have been processed by the recipient.  Such references
-are called "vulnerable," because the loss of a different packet can keep
-the reference from being usable.
-
-The encoder can choose on a per-header-block basis whether to favor higher
+Because QUIC does not guarantee order between data on different streams, a
+reference might be received on a request stream to an entry which is not yet in
+the dynamic table. References are called "vulnerable" when they refer to entries
+whose receipt has not been confirmed by the peer, because loss or reordering can
+keep the reference from being immediately usable.  If the reference cannot be
+immediately processed on receipt, the stream is considered "blocked."

I agree that the unit should be streams; the decoder SHOULD NOT be reading even the body of the header block, which means it won't see any further header blocks on that stream.  A cautious encoder might choose to count blocks for simplicity, but the decoder's count will almost certainly be one per stream.  A silly decoder might read further in an attempt to over-optimize, and specifying the blocking count to be streams helps keep them from blowing up.

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<p><b>@MikeBishop</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1143#discussion_r187391474">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -95,17 +95,29 @@ reintroduced by HPACK when the loss includes a HEADERS frame.
 
 ## Avoiding Head-of-Line Blocking in HTTP/QUIC {#overview-hol-avoidance}
 
-In the example above, the second stream contained a reference to data
-which might not yet have been processed by the recipient.  Such references
-are called &quot;vulnerable,&quot; because the loss of a different packet can keep
-the reference from being usable.
-
-The encoder can choose on a per-header-block basis whether to favor higher
+Because QUIC does not guarantee order between data on different streams, a
+reference might be received on a request stream to an entry which is not yet in
+the dynamic table. References are called &quot;vulnerable&quot; when they refer to entries
+whose receipt has not been confirmed by the peer, because loss or reordering can
+keep the reference from being immediately usable.  If the reference cannot be
+immediately processed on receipt, the stream is considered &quot;blocked.&quot;
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<p>I agree that the unit should be streams; the decoder SHOULD NOT be reading even the body of the header block, which means it won't see any further header blocks on that stream.  A cautious encoder might choose to count blocks for simplicity, but the decoder's count will almost certainly be one per stream.  A silly decoder might read further in an attempt to over-optimize, and specifying the blocking count to be streams helps keep them from blowing up.</p>

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One of the recent PRs changed "Indexed-Duplicate" to simply "Duplicate," but didn't catch the references elsewhere in the text.  This cleans those up.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1349

-- Commit Summary --

  * Consistency in name change

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    M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md (10)

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<p>One of the recent PRs changed "Indexed-Duplicate" to simply "Duplicate=
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  Branch: refs/heads/duplicate-name
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`0xa` is ALTSVC, so we should start at `0xb`.  But if we move to a very small number, we defeat the point of greasing, and it's also easy for a lazy implementation to specifically ignore.  `0xb + 0x1f * rand(7)` produces only eight values (`0x0b`, `0x2a`, `0x49`, `0x68`, `0x87`, `0xa6`, `0xc5`, `0xe4`), which verges on small enough to fear hardcoding.  However, it does have the nice property that it doesn't steal any of the experimental range, a space which is even more prone to exhaustion.  And if exhaustion is a concern, maybe eight is a good maximum.

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martinduke commented on this pull request.

One nit.

> @@ -2160,8 +2160,8 @@ might recover the instance identifier from the connection ID.
 
 This design relies on the peer always sending a connection ID in its packets so
 that the endpoint can use the connection ID from a packet to reset the
-connection.  An endpoint that uses this design cannot allow its peers to use a
-zero-length connection ID.
+connection.  An endpoint that uses this design cannot allow its peers to send
+packets with a zero-length connection ID.

"...zero-length destination connection ID"

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<p><b>@martinduke</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<p>One nit.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1346#discussion_r187435206">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -2160,8 +2160,8 @@ might recover the instance identifier from the connection ID.
 
 This design relies on the peer always sending a connection ID in its packets so
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-connection.  An endpoint that uses this design cannot allow its peers to use a
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If the server reboots after sending the encrypted extensions, I believe we can end up in this state. I'm not caught up on the migration stuff, but I believe this also involves long headers in mid-connection,.

It's all not a big deal how we resolve this, but at the very least we don't want to respond to a long header with a mock short header as currently defined (i.e. with a purely random destination conn ID).

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No, migration is all short-header, at least as currently designed.  There was a proposal that we should (somehow) make migrations look like handshakes, but that so far hasn't gone anywhere.

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Just drop the packet and log it - the case is either extremely rare - or way too frequent due to misconfiguration - or it is a DoS vector. You don't want to hide misconfiguration through random resets.

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We (the BBC) may be able to gather statistics on header names for our services, across all user agents. Is this of value to this issue.

aside: header values are more problematic due to sensitivities to various confidentialites.

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It seems like we have the header names (and values) from the HTTP Archive data, though that obviously produces single-client, single-scenario bias that I've tried to remove manually.  Any data that you generate would have a different bias, so it would help to confirm commonalities.

If you were able to instrument your library to see what header names get name-referenced most often, that would specifically be useful to fix this most recent issue; that doesn't need any value disclosure.

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I think I misunderstood your earlier request. This is not about filling out the table, but ordering of entries based on frequency of name-reference usage experienced in QPACK implementation. Is that right?

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Maybe just allow MAX_PUSH_ID to appear before SETTINGS and contain the problem that way.

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martinthomson approved this pull request.

The MUST is a problem.  I trust that you can fix that though.

> -compression ratio (by permitting vulnerable references) or HoL resilience (by
-avoiding them).
-
-An encoder MUST NOT have header blocks which contain vulnerable references
-outstanding on more streams than the value of SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS at
-any time. Note that the decoder's count of streams which are actually blocked
-will be less than or equal to the encoder's count of references which are
-vulnerable (potentially blocking).  If the decoder encounters more blocked
+header block might reference an entry in the dynamic table that has not yet been
+received.
+
+Each header block contains a Largest Reference (see {{absolute-index}}) which
+identifies the table state necessary for decoding. If the greatest absolute
+index in the dynamic table is less than the value of the Largest Reference, the
+stream is considered "blocked."  While blocked, header field data MUST remain in
+the blocked stream's flow control window.  When the Largest Reference is zero,

I don't think that there is an interoperability requirement here.  Holding data outstanding is advice, not a requirement.

> +identifies the table state necessary for decoding. If the greatest absolute
+index in the dynamic table is less than the value of the Largest Reference, the
+stream is considered "blocked."  While blocked, header field data MUST remain in
+the blocked stream's flow control window.  When the Largest Reference is zero,
+the frame contains no references to the dynamic table and can always be
+processed immediately.
+
+A decoder can permit the possibility of blocked streams by setting
+SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS to a non-zero value.  This setting specifies an
+upper bound on the number of streams which can be blocked.
+
+An encoder can decide whether to risk having a stream become blocked. If
+permitted by the value of SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS, compression efficiency
+can be improved by referencing dynamic table entries that are still in transit,
+but if there is loss or reordering the stream can become blocked at the decoder.
+An encoder avoids the rist of blocking by only referencing dynamic table entries

typo: risk

> +SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS to a non-zero value.  This setting specifies an
+upper bound on the number of streams which can be blocked.
+
+An encoder can decide whether to risk having a stream become blocked. If
+permitted by the value of SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS, compression efficiency
+can be improved by referencing dynamic table entries that are still in transit,
+but if there is loss or reordering the stream can become blocked at the decoder.
+An encoder avoids the rist of blocking by only referencing dynamic table entries
+which have been acknowledged, but this means using literals. Since literals make
+the header block larger, this can result in the encoder becoming blocked on
+congestion or flow control limits.
+
+An encoder MUST limit the number of streams which could become blocked to the
+value of SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS at all times. Note that the decoder's
+count of streams which are actually blocked will be at most the encoder's count
+of streams which could become blocked.  If the decoder encounters more blocked

How about simply: "A decoder might not be forced to block on streams that risk being blocked."

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<p>The MUST is a problem.  I trust that you can fix that though.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1143#discussion_r187496419">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; -compression ratio (by permitting vulnerable references) or HoL resilience (by
-avoiding them).
-
-An encoder MUST NOT have header blocks which contain vulnerable references
-outstanding on more streams than the value of SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS at
-any time. Note that the decoder&#39;s count of streams which are actually blocked
-will be less than or equal to the encoder&#39;s count of references which are
-vulnerable (potentially blocking).  If the decoder encounters more blocked
+header block might reference an entry in the dynamic table that has not yet been
+received.
+
+Each header block contains a Largest Reference (see {{absolute-index}}) which
+identifies the table state necessary for decoding. If the greatest absolute
+index in the dynamic table is less than the value of the Largest Reference, the
+stream is considered &quot;blocked.&quot;  While blocked, header field data MUST remain in
+the blocked stream&#39;s flow control window.  When the Largest Reference is zero,
</pre>
<p>I don't think that there is an interoperability requirement here.  Holding data outstanding is advice, not a requirement.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1143#discussion_r187496495">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +identifies the table state necessary for decoding. If the greatest absolute
+index in the dynamic table is less than the value of the Largest Reference, the
+stream is considered &quot;blocked.&quot;  While blocked, header field data MUST remain in
+the blocked stream&#39;s flow control window.  When the Largest Reference is zero,
+the frame contains no references to the dynamic table and can always be
+processed immediately.
+
+A decoder can permit the possibility of blocked streams by setting
+SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS to a non-zero value.  This setting specifies an
+upper bound on the number of streams which can be blocked.
+
+An encoder can decide whether to risk having a stream become blocked. If
+permitted by the value of SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS, compression efficiency
+can be improved by referencing dynamic table entries that are still in transit,
+but if there is loss or reordering the stream can become blocked at the decoder.
+An encoder avoids the rist of blocking by only referencing dynamic table entries
</pre>
<p>typo: risk</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1143#discussion_r187496761">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS to a non-zero value.  This setting specifies an
+upper bound on the number of streams which can be blocked.
+
+An encoder can decide whether to risk having a stream become blocked. If
+permitted by the value of SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS, compression efficiency
+can be improved by referencing dynamic table entries that are still in transit,
+but if there is loss or reordering the stream can become blocked at the decoder.
+An encoder avoids the rist of blocking by only referencing dynamic table entries
+which have been acknowledged, but this means using literals. Since literals make
+the header block larger, this can result in the encoder becoming blocked on
+congestion or flow control limits.
+
+An encoder MUST limit the number of streams which could become blocked to the
+value of SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS at all times. Note that the decoder&#39;s
+count of streams which are actually blocked will be at most the encoder&#39;s count
+of streams which could become blocked.  If the decoder encounters more blocked
</pre>
<p>How about simply: "A decoder might not be forced to block on streams that risk being blocked."</p>

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@martinduke is right, you can get a Handshake packet from a client.  A client can also find that 0-RTT packets hit the wrong server, after it receives the EncryptedExtensions (or the entire handshake).  A client can't prime the server at all with stateless reset messages, so these are the only cases I'm aware of - in this version of the protocol.

With 0-RTT in the mix, albeit in a narrow window, I think that we can probably allow stateless reset.  But we should explain the limitations and note that crashes will more than likely just cause handshakes to fail.

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You should prioritize mandatory pseudo header fields.  That includes `:scheme` and `:authority`.  I have no issue punting `host` down the list (it only exists for compatibility with some intermediation cases).

Favouring client header fields is probably wise as well.  That's where we see the biggest constraints.  Also, servers use those too (if you believe that server push has any life left in it :p ).

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<p>You should prioritize mandatory pseudo header fields.  That includes <=
code>:scheme</code> and <code>:authority</code>.  I have no issue punting=
 <code>host</code> down the list (it only exists for compatibility with s=
ome intermediation cases).</p>
<p>Favouring client header fields is probably wise as well.  That's where=
 we see the biggest constraints.  Also, servers use those too (if you bel=
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>From the mailing list.

From: Martin Thomson [mailto:martin.thomson@gmail.com] =

Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: Why allow empty STREAM frames when offset is zero?

That's possible, if someone wants to open a PR.

To be clear, I don't think that there is a valid use case for an empty ST=
REAM frame (other than at the start or end) that isn't satisfied better b=
y other frames.  But we're not necessarily in the business of policing th=
ese things and allowing empty STREAM frames is actually easier than creat=
ing the exclusions.

Here's a use case: steganography.  A covert channel to the peer that won'=
t manifest as observable activity outside of the QUIC stack.  An empty ST=
REAM frame can carry a surprising amount of entropy if you are clever.

We would then put empty STREAM frames in the same bucket as other frames =
that could be pointless and wasteful when used excessively.  There's alre=
ady a bunch of those.

On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 10:11 AM Ian Swett <ianswett=3D 40google.com@dmar=
c.ietf.org> wrote:
> I would agree that the restriction here seem unnecessary and I tend to
think we'd be better off removing it.

> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 5:58 PM Lubashev, Igor <ilubashe=3D
40akamai.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>> Actually, I=E2=80=99ll take an issue with:
>>
>> [draft-ietf-quic-transport-11] says the following:
>>      A stream frame's Stream Data MUST NOT be empty, unless the offset=
 is
>>      0 or the FIN bit is set.
>>
>> Why disallow this?  This may be a signal to the receiver about where =

>> in
the stream the sender is, even if the sender does not have any new data t=
o send.  This signal may be useful in cases of packet loss, when the send=
er is not ready to declare a packet with stream data lost and retransmit =
lots of stream data (has not been long enough), but it is very important =
for the application to know where the sender is in the stream.  Of course=
, there are workarounds =E2=80=93 you can send a STREAM frame, retransmit=
ting a single byte.  But it still seems like an unnecessary restriction.
You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1350

-- Commit Summary --

  * Allow arbitrary empty STREAM frames (not just Offset=3D0 or FIN=3D1)

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (5)

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<p>From the mailing list.</p>
<p>From: Martin Thomson [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:martin.thomson@gmail.co=
m">martin.thomson@gmail.com</a>]<br>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 8:37 PM<br>
Subject: Re: Why allow empty STREAM frames when offset is zero?</p>
<p>That's possible, if someone wants to open a PR.</p>
<p>To be clear, I don't think that there is a valid use case for an empty=
 STREAM frame (other than at the start or end) that isn't satisfied bette=
r by other frames.  But we're not necessarily in the business of policing=
 these things and allowing empty STREAM frames is actually easier than cr=
eating the exclusions.</p>
<p>Here's a use case: steganography.  A covert channel to the peer that w=
on't manifest as observable activity outside of the QUIC stack.  An empty=
 STREAM frame can carry a surprising amount of entropy if you are clever.=
</p>
<p>We would then put empty STREAM frames in the same bucket as other fram=
es that could be pointless and wasteful when used excessively.  There's a=
lready a bunch of those.</p>
<p>On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 10:11 AM Ian Swett &lt;ianswett=3D <a href=3D"=
mailto:40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org">40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org</a>&gt; w=
rote:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>I would agree that the restriction here seem unnecessary and I tend to=
<br>
think we'd be better off removing it.</p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<p>On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 5:58 PM Lubashev, Igor &lt;ilubashe=3D<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:40akamai.com@dmarc.ietf.org">40akamai.com@dmarc.ietf.or=
g</a>&gt; wrote:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Actually, I=E2=80=99ll take an issue with:</p>
<p>[draft-ietf-quic-transport-11] says the following:<br>
A stream frame's Stream Data MUST NOT be empty, unless the offset is<br>
0 or the FIN bit is set.</p>
<p>Why disallow this?  This may be a signal to the receiver about where<b=
r>
in<br>
the stream the sender is, even if the sender does not have any new data t=
o send.  This signal may be useful in cases of packet loss, when the send=
er is not ready to declare a packet with stream data lost and retransmit =
lots of stream data (has not been long enough), but it is very important =
for the application to know where the sender is in the stream.  Of course=
, there are workarounds =E2=80=93 you can send a STREAM frame, retransmit=
ting a single byte.  But it still seems like an unnecessary restriction.<=
/p>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>

<hr>

<h4>You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:</h4>
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=3D'https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1350=
'>https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1350</a></p>

<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
<ul>
  <li>Allow arbitrary empty STREAM frames (not just Offset=3D0 or FIN=3D1=
)</li>
</ul>

<h4>File Changes</h4>
<ul>
  <li>
    <strong>M</strong>
    <a href=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1350/files#diff=
-0">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>
    (5)
  </li>
</ul>

<h4>Patch Links:</h4>
<ul>
  <li><a href=3D'https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1350.patch'>h=
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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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  Author: Igor Lubashev <igorlord@alum.mit.edu>
  Date:   2018-05-10 (Thu, 10 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Allow arbitrary empty STREAM frames (not just Offset=0 or FIN=1)


  Commit: 45c4ee3dfb887fc4d23430473781ef48e105c920
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  Merge pull request #1350 from igorlord/allow-empty-stream

Allow arbitrary empty STREAM frames (not just Offset=0 or FIN=1)


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To expand on Mike's comment after thinking further, the quirk of Alt-Svc also becomes that it effectively defines a host-level static table rather than a connection-one. This introduces some weird (although perhaps not undesirable) synergies between QUIC session resumption and Alt-Svc freshness i.e a client that accepts an alternative as valid could continue to use it's static table across different QUIC connections to the same host.

Thinking about the negotiation more generally. The proposals are connection-level. There is potential merit in an ability for different API endpoints to have different table contexts, however differentiating endpoints by URL path is not presently possible. And to take this concept further, you could imagine some benefit (in a multipath world) of different paths having different table contexts. However, this could all be TFH, with questionable real world benefit.

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<p>To expand on Mike's comment after thinking further, the quirk of Alt-S=
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her than a connection-one. This introduces some weird (although perhaps n=
ot undesirable) synergies between QUIC session resumption and Alt-Svc fre=
shness i.e a client that accepts an alternative as valid could continue t=
o use it's static table across different QUIC connections to the same hos=
t.</p>
<p>Thinking about the negotiation more generally. The proposals are conne=
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points to have different table contexts, however differentiating endpoint=
s by URL path is not presently possible. And to take this concept further=
, you could imagine some benefit (in a multipath world) of different path=
s having different table contexts. However, this could all be TFH, with q=
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I agree with @martinthomson that we don't need to design negotiation now. I also share @MikeBishop's concern that it is hard to "negotiate" the static table using Alt-Svc. I do not think it would work well, for example when the server gets replaced to a different software before the client reconnects.

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This would make parsing easier to deal with. I don't think there are adverse effects?

I'm proposing standardizing this:

```
    0                   1                   2                   3
    0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
   |    Type (8)   |   Flags (8)   |
   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
   |       Length (i)                        ...
   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
   |       Frame Payload (*)     ...
   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
```    0                   1                   2                   3

instead of this:

```
    0                   1                   2                   3
    0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
   |                           Length (i)                        ...
   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
   |    Type (8)   |   Flags (8)   |       Frame Payload (*)     ...
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<p>I'm proposing standardizing this:</p>
<pre><code>    0                   1                   2                 =
  3
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   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
   |    Type (8)   |   Flags (8)   |
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   |       Length (i)                        ...
   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
   |       Frame Payload (*)     ...
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```    0                   1                   2                   3

instead of this:

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<pre><code>0                   1                   2                   3
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
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With type first, you can directly dispatch to a type-specific parser. Additionally, it would be more similar to how QUIC packets work (header type in the first bit) and how QUIC frames work (type in the first byte).

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Yes, but you still need to parse the length -- to skip unknown frames.  Even with a dispatch table, it is better to parse the length in one place rather than in each type-specific function.

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Why is that better? I don't think I necessarily agree. Having to pass the length to the type-specific parser makes the interface different from the one in other places, as explained, and more tightly bound.

Additionally, I prefer having variable-sized fields after types of statically known size.

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> Why is that better?

Less code duplication.

I prefer fixed-width fields first, too.  This preference, however, is not a valid _technical_ argument (the "making parsing easier to deal with" part in you original post).  If we want to argue for this change on the merits of its prettiness, we should frame (ha! get it?) the argument accordingly.

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http://mikebishop.github.io/http-misc-extensions/draft-bishop-httpbis-grease.html is a first pass at this on the HTTP/2 side.  I'm happy to reserve the same values and add the same advice to HTTP/QUIC.

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The existing order is because it started with what was in HTTP/2, but we've already established consensus that similarity to HTTP/2 isn't a sufficient reason to keep any non-functional aspect.

I'm inclined to think that reading the length first, then knowing how much data to pass to your type-specific parser would be the most efficient.  The varint Length means that frames can be very large (DATA frames, especially), so you don't want to wait until you have the entire frame to start processing it, but knowing when to stop passing data to the parser and dispatch a new frame seems worthwhile nonetheless.

I don't have hands on an implementation of this, though, so if there's consensus that one is easier to parse than the other, I'm fine either way.

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<p>The existing order is because it started with what was in HTTP/2, but =
we've already established consensus that similarity to HTTP/2 isn't a suf=
ficient reason to keep any non-functional aspect.</p>
<p>I'm inclined to think that reading the length first, then knowing how =
much data to pass to your type-specific parser would be the most efficien=
t.  The varint Length means that frames can be very large (DATA frames, e=
specially), so you don't want to wait until you have the entire frame to =
start processing it, but knowing when to stop passing data to the parser =
and dispatch a new frame seems worthwhile nonetheless.</p>
<p>I don't have hands on an implementation of this, though, so if there's=
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  Branch: refs/heads/qpack_boilerplate
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Changed something to a lower-case "should," and went to verify that QPACK had the updated BCP14 boilerplate.  Turns out it didn't have any; let's fix that.
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  * BCP 14 boilerplate
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    M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md (46)

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> -ID, and static key cannot occur for another connection.  A connection ID from a
-connection that is reset by revealing the Stateless Reset Token cannot be
-reused for new connections at the same server without first changing to use a
-different static key or server identifier.
+Stateless Reset Token means that the combination of instance, connection ID, and
+static key cannot occur for another connection.  A connection ID from a
+connection that is reset by revealing the Stateless Reset Token cannot be reused
+for new connections at the same instance without first changing to use a
+different static key or instance identifier.
+
+Any set of instances that share a static key for the purposes of stateless reset
+MUST allocate connection IDs from the same space without reusing connection IDs
+as long as the key is valid.  If instances that share a stateless reset key
+allow connections with the same connection ID to be created, then the stateless
+reset token for one connection could be used to terminate any connection that
+has the same connection ID.

This looks like you're trying to close #1258 and #1259, too.  However, I don't think this language is strong enough.  It's not just that it MUST allocate from the same space without reusing; it MUST NOT generate a stateless reset for a connection ID that it would not have allocated, even if it has the proper key to do so.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1346#discussion_r187740706">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; -ID, and static key cannot occur for another connection.  A connection ID from a
-connection that is reset by revealing the Stateless Reset Token cannot be
-reused for new connections at the same server without first changing to use a
-different static key or server identifier.
+Stateless Reset Token means that the combination of instance, connection ID, and
+static key cannot occur for another connection.  A connection ID from a
+connection that is reset by revealing the Stateless Reset Token cannot be reused
+for new connections at the same instance without first changing to use a
+different static key or instance identifier.
+
+Any set of instances that share a static key for the purposes of stateless reset
+MUST allocate connection IDs from the same space without reusing connection IDs
+as long as the key is valid.  If instances that share a stateless reset key
+allow connections with the same connection ID to be created, then the stateless
+reset token for one connection could be used to terminate any connection that
+has the same connection ID.
</pre>
<p>This looks like you're trying to close <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="310545970" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1258" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1258">#1258</a> and <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="310546025" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1259" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1259">#1259</a>, too.  However, I don't think this language is strong enough.  It's not just that it MUST allocate from the same space without reusing; it MUST NOT generate a stateless reset for a connection ID that it would not have allocated, even if it has the proper key to do so.</p>

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>  
 Revealing the Stateless Reset Token allows any entity to terminate the
 connection, so a value can only be used once.  This method for choosing the
-Stateless Reset Token means that the combination of server instance, connection
-ID, and static key cannot occur for another connection.  A connection ID from a
-connection that is reset by revealing the Stateless Reset Token cannot be
-reused for new connections at the same server without first changing to use a
-different static key or server identifier.
+Stateless Reset Token means that the combination of instance, connection ID, and
+static key cannot occur for another connection.  A connection ID from a

By the same logic, I think the combination of connection ID and static key cannot be allowed to recur, even if it's on a different instance.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1346#discussion_r187742163">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
 Revealing the Stateless Reset Token allows any entity to terminate the
 connection, so a value can only be used once.  This method for choosing the
-Stateless Reset Token means that the combination of server instance, connection
-ID, and static key cannot occur for another connection.  A connection ID from a
-connection that is reset by revealing the Stateless Reset Token cannot be
-reused for new connections at the same server without first changing to use a
-different static key or server identifier.
+Stateless Reset Token means that the combination of instance, connection ID, and
+static key cannot occur for another connection.  A connection ID from a
</pre>
<p>By the same logic, I think the combination of connection ID and static key cannot be allowed to recur, even if it's on a different instance.</p>

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MikeBishop commented on this pull request.



> -ID, and static key cannot occur for another connection.  A connection ID from a
-connection that is reset by revealing the Stateless Reset Token cannot be
-reused for new connections at the same server without first changing to use a
-different static key or server identifier.
+Stateless Reset Token means that the combination of instance, connection ID, and
+static key cannot occur for another connection.  A connection ID from a
+connection that is reset by revealing the Stateless Reset Token cannot be reused
+for new connections at the same instance without first changing to use a
+different static key or instance identifier.
+
+Any set of instances that share a static key for the purposes of stateless reset
+MUST allocate connection IDs from the same space without reusing connection IDs
+as long as the key is valid.  If instances that share a stateless reset key
+allow connections with the same connection ID to be created, then the stateless
+reset token for one connection could be used to terminate any connection that
+has the same connection ID.

Actually, I think the "instance identifier" discussed above would mitigate this.  It will generate an SR, but it won't be valid from a different instance.

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<p><b>@MikeBishop</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1346#discussion_r187742473">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; -ID, and static key cannot occur for another connection.  A connection ID from a
-connection that is reset by revealing the Stateless Reset Token cannot be
-reused for new connections at the same server without first changing to use a
-different static key or server identifier.
+Stateless Reset Token means that the combination of instance, connection ID, and
+static key cannot occur for another connection.  A connection ID from a
+connection that is reset by revealing the Stateless Reset Token cannot be reused
+for new connections at the same instance without first changing to use a
+different static key or instance identifier.
+
+Any set of instances that share a static key for the purposes of stateless reset
+MUST allocate connection IDs from the same space without reusing connection IDs
+as long as the key is valid.  If instances that share a stateless reset key
+allow connections with the same connection ID to be created, then the stateless
+reset token for one connection could be used to terminate any connection that
+has the same connection ID.
</pre>
<p>Actually, I think the "instance identifier" discussed above would mitigate this.  It will generate an SR, but it won't be valid from a different instance.</p>

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Allow means that we might also (strongly) recommend sending it then.  A server that doesn't see it could assume that it's permanent.

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Having implemented this, I read the header in a single go.  So order makes no difference (at least to me).  That suggests that there is no value in reordering, other than the aesthetic ones, on which we might reasonably disgree.  That suggests no change to me as well.

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> +of 1 octet. Using the hortest possible packet number encoding minimizes the
+perceived gap between the last packet that the server sent and this packet.  A
+server MAY indicate a different packet number length, but a longer packet number
+encoding might allow this message to be identified as a stateless reset more
+easily using heuristics.
+
+The random octets MUST be of a length equal to at least 18 octets plus the
+packet number length implied by the type field. A packet of this length
+simulates a packet with a short header, the maximum-length destination
+connection ID, a packet number of the appropriate length and (with the
+Stateless Reset Token) an authentication trailer, with no packet payload.
+
+In response to a packet with a short header, the server has no means of
+determining the source connection ID and is effectively using a random one
+instead. For a client that depends on the server including a connection ID,
+this will mean that this value differs from previous packets.  Ths results in

Nit: s/Ths/This

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1328#discussion_r187765516">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +of 1 octet. Using the hortest possible packet number encoding minimizes the
+perceived gap between the last packet that the server sent and this packet.  A
+server MAY indicate a different packet number length, but a longer packet number
+encoding might allow this message to be identified as a stateless reset more
+easily using heuristics.
+
+The random octets MUST be of a length equal to at least 18 octets plus the
+packet number length implied by the type field. A packet of this length
+simulates a packet with a short header, the maximum-length destination
+connection ID, a packet number of the appropriate length and (with the
+Stateless Reset Token) an authentication trailer, with no packet payload.
+
+In response to a packet with a short header, the server has no means of
+determining the source connection ID and is effectively using a random one
+instead. For a client that depends on the server including a connection ID,
+this will mean that this value differs from previous packets.  Ths results in
</pre>
<p>Nit: s/Ths/This</p>

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This is obvious, but never stated.  We discussed checking that they stay constant and agreed that requiring a check would be crazy.  However, we never wrote anything down.  I think that a MAY is fine.



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This is obvious, but never stated.  We discussed checking that they stay constant and agreed that requiring a check would be crazy.  However, we never wrote anything down.  I think that a MAY is fine.
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-- Commit Summary --

  * Octets that are sent twice

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (13)

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> @@ -3612,10 +3612,15 @@ When new data is to be sent on a stream, a sender MUST set the encapsulating
 STREAM frame's offset field to the stream offset of the first byte of this new
 data.  The first octet of data on a stream has an offset of 0.  An endpoint is
 expected to send every stream octet.  The largest offset delivered on a stream
-MUST be less than 2^62. A receiver MUST ensure that received stream data is
-delivered to the application as an ordered byte-stream.  Data received out of
-order MUST be buffered for later delivery, as long as it is not in violation of
-the receiver's flow control limits.
+MUST be less than 2^62.
+
+A receiver MUST ensure that received stream data is delivered to the application

I think Patrick wanted to allow out of order delivery, and I thought the agreement was along the lines of "A receiver MUST provide the received stream data to the application as an ordered byte-stream".  The text you wrote implies it's in-order is the only possible option.

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<p><b>@ianswett</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1353#discussion_r187821131">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -3612,10 +3612,15 @@ When new data is to be sent on a stream, a sender MUST set the encapsulating
 STREAM frame&#39;s offset field to the stream offset of the first byte of this new
 data.  The first octet of data on a stream has an offset of 0.  An endpoint is
 expected to send every stream octet.  The largest offset delivered on a stream
-MUST be less than 2^62. A receiver MUST ensure that received stream data is
-delivered to the application as an ordered byte-stream.  Data received out of
-order MUST be buffered for later delivery, as long as it is not in violation of
-the receiver&#39;s flow control limits.
+MUST be less than 2^62.
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+A receiver MUST ensure that received stream data is delivered to the application
</pre>
<p>I think Patrick wanted to allow out of order delivery, and I thought the agreement was along the lines of "A receiver MUST provide the received stream data to the application as an ordered byte-stream".  The text you wrote implies it's in-order is the only possible option.</p>

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> @@ -3612,10 +3612,15 @@ When new data is to be sent on a stream, a sender MUST set the encapsulating
 STREAM frame's offset field to the stream offset of the first byte of this new
 data.  The first octet of data on a stream has an offset of 0.  An endpoint is
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-order MUST be buffered for later delivery, as long as it is not in violation of
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+MUST be less than 2^62.
+
+A receiver MUST ensure that received stream data is delivered to the application

That text isn't changed.  It's what we litigated (at some length), but moved into a new paragraph, because the old one was getting unwieldy.

You are right, though.  It seems to imply that it has to deliver in order, when the intent was that it be capable of doing so.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1353#discussion_r187846970">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -3612,10 +3612,15 @@ When new data is to be sent on a stream, a sender MUST set the encapsulating
 STREAM frame&#39;s offset field to the stream offset of the first byte of this new
 data.  The first octet of data on a stream has an offset of 0.  An endpoint is
 expected to send every stream octet.  The largest offset delivered on a stream
-MUST be less than 2^62. A receiver MUST ensure that received stream data is
-delivered to the application as an ordered byte-stream.  Data received out of
-order MUST be buffered for later delivery, as long as it is not in violation of
-the receiver&#39;s flow control limits.
+MUST be less than 2^62.
+
+A receiver MUST ensure that received stream data is delivered to the application
</pre>
<p>That text isn't changed.  It's what we litigated (at some length), but moved into a new paragraph, because the old one was getting unwieldy.</p>
<p>You are right, though.  It seems to imply that it has to deliver in order, when the intent was that it be capable of doing so.</p>

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Tracks changes to the short header due to varint PN size (and the bits used by the VEC in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-trammell-quic-spin). Fixes problem with double refs.
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-- Commit Summary --

  * reflect changes to short header from #1334
  * reference fixup

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md (6)

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<p>Tracks changes to the short header due to varint PN size (and the bits=
 used by the VEC in <a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-trammell=
-quic-spin" rel=3D"nofollow">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-trammell-q=
uic-spin</a>). Fixes problem with double refs.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>reflect changes to short header from #1334</li>
  <li>reference fixup</li>
</ul>

<h4>File Changes</h4>
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  <li>
    <strong>M</strong>
    <a href=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1354/files#diff=
-0">draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md</a>
    (6)
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>From the proposed change:
> The value for a given octet MUST NOT change if it is sent multiple times...

Why require that it not change?  While inappropriate for HQ, mutable content (perhaps combined with out-of-order delivery) may make for some interesting protocol options.

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<p>From the proposed change:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>The value for a given octet MUST NOT change if it is sent multiple tim=
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<p>Why require that it not change?  While inappropriate for HQ, mutable c=
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Because it's then unpredictable what version (or combination of versions) will be received by the application.  We'd need more versioning mechanisms if we wanted to employ that properly.

While I agree that the text around ordering reads as stricter than the agreed-upon intent, it's not actually modified by this PR.  The change introduced by this PR is fine; I don't feel strongly about fixing the in-order text while we're here versus creating a separate PR.

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<p>Because it's then unpredictable what version (or combination of versio=
ns) will be received by the application.  We'd need more versioning mecha=
nisms if we wanted to employ that properly.</p>
<p>While I agree that the text around ordering reads as stricter than the=
 agreed-upon intent, it's not actually modified by this PR.  The change i=
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> Because it's then unpredictable what version (or combination of versions) will be received by the application. We'd need more versioning mechanisms if we wanted to employ that properly.

An application might be OK with it.  What if the content is versioned purely as a function of time?

How about this scenario in HQ: serving a static file.  An implementation may simply `read(2)` the file contents into STREAM frames as packets are sent out, including when lost frames are resent.  The requirement that octets not be modified forces either keeping unacknowledged STREAM frames in memory or locking the file somehow.

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In that scenario, consider that bytes 0-800 and 1000-1200 are delivered on the first try, then the file changes, and bytes 800-1000 need to be resent.  If the file has changed in the meantime and the server is just reading from disk, you get a window into the new file while still having the outer bytes taken from the old file.

And yes, to avoid that, the server needs to hold read access to the file until it's done reading for good, or retain the content that it transferred, or at the least listen for filesystem change notifications.

I can see value in a solution (probably at the application layer) to abort a response and indicate that the resource has changed.  But randomly intermixing content from the old and new versions without indication of which source it came from, which would be the output of the current structure, seems like an invitation to invalid state.

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:scheme is almost never a name reference, since the static table contains http and https, so there's not much compression value in having it < 16.  As Mike points out, :authority is very likely to be added to the dynamic table after the first request (or first RTT, if a blocking encoder), so there may be more bang for the buck for putting something above the fold.

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The wonderful mmap api does not guarantee MAP_PRIVATE view remains private on Linux if someone else writes to the file.

I think the requirement of unchanged data is the only sane approach at protocol level, but it can be viewed as a system requirement not the sole responsibility of the QUIC engine because that could range from very expensive to near impossible. Hence, if some other process with adequate permissions overwrite a mmap'ed file being transmitted, that process just violated the QUIC spec.

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pensive to near impossible. Hence, if some other process with adequate pe=
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afrind commented on this pull request.



> -decoder and cannot be processed until the greatest absolute index in the dynamic
-table is at least the value of the Largest Reference.  While blocked, header
-field data MUST remain in the blocked stream's flow control window.  When the
-Largest Reference is zero, the frame contains no references to the dynamic table
-and can always be processed immediately.
+Because QUIC does not guarantee order between data on different streams, a
+header block might reference an entry in the dynamic table that has not yet been
+received.
+
+Each header block contains a Largest Reference (see {{absolute-index}}) which
+identifies the table state necessary for decoding. If the greatest absolute
+index in the dynamic table is less than the value of the Largest Reference, the
+stream is considered "blocked."  While blocked, header field data should remain
+in the blocked stream's flow control window.  When the Largest Reference is
+zero, the frame contains no references to the dynamic table and can always be
+processed immediately.

We probably need to explain when a stream becomes unblocked.

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<p><b>@afrind</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1143#discussion_r188126660">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; -decoder and cannot be processed until the greatest absolute index in the dynamic
-table is at least the value of the Largest Reference.  While blocked, header
-field data MUST remain in the blocked stream&#39;s flow control window.  When the
-Largest Reference is zero, the frame contains no references to the dynamic table
-and can always be processed immediately.
+Because QUIC does not guarantee order between data on different streams, a
+header block might reference an entry in the dynamic table that has not yet been
+received.
+
+Each header block contains a Largest Reference (see {{absolute-index}}) which
+identifies the table state necessary for decoding. If the greatest absolute
+index in the dynamic table is less than the value of the Largest Reference, the
+stream is considered &quot;blocked.&quot;  While blocked, header field data should remain
+in the blocked stream&#39;s flow control window.  When the Largest Reference is
+zero, the frame contains no references to the dynamic table and can always be
+processed immediately.
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I've incorporated some feedback as well as reordered (mostly via judgement call) the important name-reference entries into the top 16.  Because slots are limited and the top-16 threshold doesn't matter for indexing, I've only brought one instance of each header up top; this means in some cases instances are split between rungs.

We can quibble (hopefully with data) about the tiering choices, but my hope is that this one will perform better for typical browsing.

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 829bdeef1a8be8c58d6689343d6488f2a8f3d14b
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/829bdeef1a8be8c58d6689343d6488f2a8f3d14b
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  Date:   2018-05-14 (Mon, 14 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
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    M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md

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  QPACK Blocking Setting (#1143)

* SETTINGS_BLOCKING_HEADER_REFERENCES

* Index variable is sufficient

* Setting is a number, not a boolean

* Martin's feedback

Blocking v. Vulnerable

* Re-add lost definition

* blocking => blocked

* ack'd

* Martin's feedback

* Adapting Martin's text

* Martin's rewords

* Describe unblocking



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  Branch: refs/heads/qpack-streams-and-framing
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  Date:   2018-05-14 (Mon, 14 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md

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  Move QPACK control instructions to dedicated streams

1. Give QPACK encoders and decoders their own unidirectional streams (hardcoded to 6,7,10,11 for now)
2. Define simple framing for encoder stream
3. Move HEADER_ACK from HTTP over QUIC frame to QPACK instruction
4. Introduce Table State Synchronize instruction

Closes #1121 and #1122


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  Date:   2018-05-14 (Mon, 14 May 2018)

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  +----+ => -----


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  Date:   2018-05-14 (Mon, 14 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md

  Log Message:
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  Fix Header Ack bit pattern, describe wire format using text


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  Branch: refs/heads/overlapping-data
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 4cdf0409109f81fad372ac43f4056f21905761e7
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4cdf0409109f81fad372ac43f4056f21905761e7
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-05-15 (Tue, 15 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Insist on being able to deliver in order

But don't imply an absolute requirement to do so.

It seems like an opportune moment to point out that no provision is made for partial reliability either.



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> @@ -3612,10 +3612,18 @@ When new data is to be sent on a stream, a sender MUST set the encapsulating
 STREAM frame's offset field to the stream offset of the first byte of this new
 data.  The first octet of data on a stream has an offset of 0.  An endpoint is
 expected to send every stream octet.  The largest offset delivered on a stream
-MUST be less than 2^62. A receiver MUST ensure that received stream data is
-delivered to the application as an ordered byte-stream.  Data received out of
-order MUST be buffered for later delivery, as long as it is not in violation of
-the receiver's flow control limits.
+MUST be less than 2^62.
+
+QUIC makes no specific allowances for partial reliability or delivery of stream
+data out of order.  Endpoints are expected to deliver stream data to an
+application as an ordered byte-stream.  Delivering an order byte-stream requires

in-order byte stream?

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1353#discussion_r188144808">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -3612,10 +3612,18 @@ When new data is to be sent on a stream, a sender MUST set the encapsulating
 STREAM frame&#39;s offset field to the stream offset of the first byte of this new
 data.  The first octet of data on a stream has an offset of 0.  An endpoint is
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-MUST be less than 2^62. A receiver MUST ensure that received stream data is
-delivered to the application as an ordered byte-stream.  Data received out of
-order MUST be buffered for later delivery, as long as it is not in violation of
-the receiver&#39;s flow control limits.
+MUST be less than 2^62.
+
+QUIC makes no specific allowances for partial reliability or delivery of stream
+data out of order.  Endpoints are expected to deliver stream data to an
+application as an ordered byte-stream.  Delivering an order byte-stream requires
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> @@ -3612,10 +3612,18 @@ When new data is to be sent on a stream, a sender MUST set the encapsulating
 STREAM frame's offset field to the stream offset of the first byte of this new
 data.  The first octet of data on a stream has an offset of 0.  An endpoint is
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-order MUST be buffered for later delivery, as long as it is not in violation of
-the receiver's flow control limits.
+MUST be less than 2^62.
+
+QUIC makes no specific allowances for partial reliability or delivery of stream
+data out of order.  Endpoints are expected to deliver stream data to an
+application as an ordered byte-stream.  Delivering an order byte-stream requires

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<p><b>@ianswett</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1353#discussion_r188144835">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -3612,10 +3612,18 @@ When new data is to be sent on a stream, a sender MUST set the encapsulating
 STREAM frame&#39;s offset field to the stream offset of the first byte of this new
 data.  The first octet of data on a stream has an offset of 0.  An endpoint is
 expected to send every stream octet.  The largest offset delivered on a stream
-MUST be less than 2^62. A receiver MUST ensure that received stream data is
-delivered to the application as an ordered byte-stream.  Data received out of
-order MUST be buffered for later delivery, as long as it is not in violation of
-the receiver&#39;s flow control limits.
+MUST be less than 2^62.
+
+QUIC makes no specific allowances for partial reliability or delivery of stream
+data out of order.  Endpoints are expected to deliver stream data to an
+application as an ordered byte-stream.  Delivering an order byte-stream requires
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@martinthomson pushed 1 commit.

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It's been an unstated assumption.  We're just documenting it, that's all.

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I think the current draft clearly shows that Largest Reference / Base Del=
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<p>I think the current draft clearly shows that Largest Reference / Base =
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e control stream do not include base.  There is also this text:</p>
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<p>So I think we are good here.</p>

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```
<Non-breaking change to doc>
mbishop@sea-wpwin:~/github/quic$ git add draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md
<Breaking change to doc>
mbishop@sea-wpwin:~/github/quic$ git status
On branch narrow-lint
Your branch is up-to-date with 'origin/narrow-lint'.
Changes to be committed:
  (use "git reset HEAD <file>..." to unstage)

        modified:   draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md

Changes not staged for commit:
  (use "git add <file>..." to update what will be committed)
  (use "git checkout -- <file>..." to discard changes in working directory)

        modified:   draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md

mbishop@sea-wpwin:~/github/quic$ git commit -m "DO NOT PUSH"
cat draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md | sed -e 's/{DATE}/2018-05-15/g'  | kramdown-rfc2629 > draft-ietf-quic-qpack.xml
** Configuration problem with OpenSSL certificate store at /usr/lib/ssl/cert.pem.
**   Activating workaround.  Occasionally run `certified-update`.
xml2rfc -q draft-ietf-quic-qpack.xml -o draft-ietf-quic-qpack.txt --text
115: Line is 104 characters; limit is 80
and can always be processed immediately. Innocuous change.Overrunning the end of the line intentionally.
Makefile:25: recipe for target 'lint' failed
make: *** [lint] Error 1
rm draft-ietf-quic-qpack.xml
Commit refused: documents don't build successfully.
To commit anyway, run "git commit --no-verify"
mbishop@sea-wpwin:~/github/quic$
```

No, it still seems to be running lint/building the documents in the directory rather than just the ones staged.

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<pre><code>&lt;Non-breaking change to doc&gt;
mbishop@sea-wpwin:~/github/quic$ git add draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md
&lt;Breaking change to doc&gt;
mbishop@sea-wpwin:~/github/quic$ git status
On branch narrow-lint
Your branch is up-to-date with 'origin/narrow-lint'.
Changes to be committed:
  (use "git reset HEAD &lt;file&gt;..." to unstage)

        modified:   draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md

Changes not staged for commit:
  (use "git add &lt;file&gt;..." to update what will be committed)
  (use "git checkout -- &lt;file&gt;..." to discard changes in working di=
rectory)

        modified:   draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md

mbishop@sea-wpwin:~/github/quic$ git commit -m "DO NOT PUSH"
cat draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md | sed -e 's/{DATE}/2018-05-15/g'  | kramdown=
-rfc2629 &gt; draft-ietf-quic-qpack.xml
** Configuration problem with OpenSSL certificate store at /usr/lib/ssl/c=
ert.pem.
**   Activating workaround.  Occasionally run `certified-update`.
xml2rfc -q draft-ietf-quic-qpack.xml -o draft-ietf-quic-qpack.txt --text
115: Line is 104 characters; limit is 80
and can always be processed immediately. Innocuous change.Overrunning the=
 end of the line intentionally.
Makefile:25: recipe for target 'lint' failed
make: *** [lint] Error 1
rm draft-ietf-quic-qpack.xml
Commit refused: documents don't build successfully.
To commit anyway, run "git commit --no-verify"
mbishop@sea-wpwin:~/github/quic$
</code></pre>
<p>No, it still seems to be running lint/building the documents in the di=
rectory rather than just the ones staged.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/qpack_static
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f5614a6c163530e01b65f3385c07bbfa985c35af
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Fixes #904.

Takes a snapshot of the current draft on the wiki and turns it into a PR.

One open issue:  The txt output squeezes the "index" column enough that three-digit indices wrap the third digit.  If anyone knows how to coerce the table layout in kramdown-rfc2629, that would be great.
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-- Commit Summary --

  * Current draft of static table

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    M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md (130)

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<p><span class=3D"issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label=3D"T=
his pull request closes issue #904.">Fixes</span> <a class=3D"issue-link =
js-issue-link" data-error-text=3D"Failed to load issue title" data-id=3D"=
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<p>Takes a snapshot of the current draft on the wiki and turns it into a =
PR.</p>
<p>One open issue:  The txt output squeezes the "index" column enough tha=
t three-digit indices wrap the third digit.  If anyone knows how to coerc=
e the table layout in kramdown-rfc2629, that would be great.</p>

<hr>

<h4>You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:</h4>
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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Current draft of static table</li>
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    (130)
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A thought I just had, should we chose to not include `X-` based headers in the name of waving the Httpbis flag?

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Martin and I have been having that discussion offline.  I'm inclined to stick to reality, which includes their existence.  I'm trying to only remove vendor-specific headers or values in the interests of not tilting the table toward a particular client or server implementation.

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dtikhonov requested changes on this pull request.

Other than "chunked," looks good to me.

> +| 96    | access-control-allow-headers     | dnt,x-mx-reqtoken,keep-alive,user-agent,x-requested-with,if-modified-since,cache-control,content-type  |
+| 97    | access-control-allow-methods     | options                                                                                                |
+| 98    | access-control-allow-methods     | get                                                                                                    |
+| 99    | access-control-allow-methods     | get, post, options                                                                                     |
+| 100   | access-control-allow-methods     | get, head, options                                                                                     |
+| 101   | access-control-allow-methods     | get, options                                                                                           |
+| 102   | origin                           |                                                                                                        |
+| 103   | x-frame-options                  | sameorigin                                                                                             |
+| 104   | x-frame-options                  | deny                                                                                                   |
+| 105   | timing-allow-origin              | \*                                                                                                     |
+| 106   | access-control-expose-headers    | content-length                                                                                         |
+| 107   | access-control-allow-credentials | TRUE                                                                                                   |
+| 108   | access-control-allow-credentials | FALSE                                                                                                  |
+| 109   | expect-ct                        |                                                                                                        |
+| 110   | content-security-policy          | script-src 'none'; object-src 'none'; base-uri 'none'                                                  |
+| 111   | transfer-encoding                | chunked                                                                                                |

"chunked" is prohibited by the protocol.  From [draft-ietf-quic-http-11]:

```
   The "chunked" transfer encoding defined in Section 4.1 of [RFC7230]
   MUST NOT be used.
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<p><b>@dtikhonov</b> requested changes on this pull request.</p>

<p>Other than "chunked," looks good to me.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1355#discussion_r188395524">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +| 96    | access-control-allow-headers     | dnt,x-mx-reqtoken,keep-alive,user-agent,x-requested-with,if-modified-since,cache-control,content-type  |
+| 97    | access-control-allow-methods     | options                                                                                                |
+| 98    | access-control-allow-methods     | get                                                                                                    |
+| 99    | access-control-allow-methods     | get, post, options                                                                                     |
+| 100   | access-control-allow-methods     | get, head, options                                                                                     |
+| 101   | access-control-allow-methods     | get, options                                                                                           |
+| 102   | origin                           |                                                                                                        |
+| 103   | x-frame-options                  | sameorigin                                                                                             |
+| 104   | x-frame-options                  | deny                                                                                                   |
+| 105   | timing-allow-origin              | \*                                                                                                     |
+| 106   | access-control-expose-headers    | content-length                                                                                         |
+| 107   | access-control-allow-credentials | TRUE                                                                                                   |
+| 108   | access-control-allow-credentials | FALSE                                                                                                  |
+| 109   | expect-ct                        |                                                                                                        |
+| 110   | content-security-policy          | script-src &#39;none&#39;; object-src &#39;none&#39;; base-uri &#39;none&#39;                                                  |
+| 111   | transfer-encoding                | chunked                                                                                                |
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<p>"chunked" is prohibited by the protocol.  From [draft-ietf-quic-http-11]:</p>
<pre><code>   The "chunked" transfer encoding defined in Section 4.1 of [RFC7230]
   MUST NOT be used.
</code></pre>

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So this is the "pragmatic-static" table. Perhaps an incentive would be to keep the entries but remove the X prefix. Servers interested in the performance ride can get a cheap ticket by jumping in the conformance cart ;)

* Aware this is more easily said than done

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7c2b5e1  Remove T-E: chunked


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  Branch: refs/heads/qpack_static
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Is there a strong case for the CONNECT method? I'd be intrigued to know how many deployed HTTP proxies support connect over H2 let alone HTTP/QUIC. 

I guess one argument for is that it can reduce the handshake overhead, dynamic table is of less use here because many times the CONNECT call is only used once?

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CONNECT is defined in the draft, and we know that HTTP/2 and gQUIC proxies exist (though they are rare).  However, we could certainly follow 7541's example and keep only the most common methods.

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> CONNECT is defined in the draft, and we know that HTTP/2 and gQUIC proxies exist (though they are rare). However, we could certainly follow 7541's example and keep only the most common methods.

I'd assumed methods were included for their prevalence in HTTP archive analysis, although I know that the table has also been hand crafted.

One argument in favor of keeping CONNECT is @mcmanus Bootstrapping WebSockets, which might help make HTTP/QUIC an attractive option.

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LPardue commented on this pull request.

Link missing?

> @@ -215,8 +215,7 @@ and follows the definitions in [RFC7541] without modification.
 Entries in the QPACK static and dynamic tables are addressed separately.
 
 Entries in the static table have the same indices at all times.  The static
-table is defined in Appendix A of {{!RFC7541}}. Note that because HPACK did not
-use zero-based references, there is no value at index zero of the static table.
+table is defined in {{static-table}}.

I think {{static-table}} might be missing...

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<p><b>@LPardue</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<p>Link missing?</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1355#discussion_r188412727">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -215,8 +215,7 @@ and follows the definitions in [RFC7541] without modification.
 Entries in the QPACK static and dynamic tables are addressed separately.
 
 Entries in the static table have the same indices at all times.  The static
-table is defined in Appendix A of {{!RFC7541}}. Note that because HPACK did not
-use zero-based references, there is no value at index zero of the static table.
+table is defined in {{static-table}}.
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<p>I think {{static-table}} might be missing...</p>

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MikeBishop commented on this pull request.



> @@ -215,8 +215,7 @@ and follows the definitions in [RFC7541] without modification.
 Entries in the QPACK static and dynamic tables are addressed separately.
 
 Entries in the static table have the same indices at all times.  The static
-table is defined in Appendix A of {{!RFC7541}}. Note that because HPACK did not
-use zero-based references, there is no value at index zero of the static table.
+table is defined in {{static-table}}.

Implicit anchor on the title of the section; turns into "Appendix A" in the rendered document.

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<p><b>@MikeBishop</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1355#discussion_r188433089">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -215,8 +215,7 @@ and follows the definitions in [RFC7541] without modification.
 Entries in the QPACK static and dynamic tables are addressed separately.
 
 Entries in the static table have the same indices at all times.  The static
-table is defined in Appendix A of {{!RFC7541}}. Note that because HPACK did not
-use zero-based references, there is no value at index zero of the static table.
+table is defined in {{static-table}}.
</pre>
<p>Implicit anchor on the title of the section; turns into "Appendix A" in the rendered document.</p>

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> @@ -215,8 +215,7 @@ and follows the definitions in [RFC7541] without modification.
 Entries in the QPACK static and dynamic tables are addressed separately.
 
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+table is defined in {{static-table}}.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1355#discussion_r188433443">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -215,8 +215,7 @@ and follows the definitions in [RFC7541] without modification.
 Entries in the QPACK static and dynamic tables are addressed separately.
 
 Entries in the static table have the same indices at all times.  The static
-table is defined in Appendix A of {{!RFC7541}}. Note that because HPACK did not
-use zero-based references, there is no value at index zero of the static table.
+table is defined in {{static-table}}.
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> +| 97    | access-control-allow-methods     | options                                                                                                |
+| 98    | access-control-allow-methods     | get                                                                                                    |
+| 99    | access-control-allow-methods     | get, post, options                                                                                     |
+| 100   | access-control-allow-methods     | get, head, options                                                                                     |
+| 101   | access-control-allow-methods     | get, options                                                                                           |
+| 102   | origin                           |                                                                                                        |
+| 103   | x-frame-options                  | sameorigin                                                                                             |
+| 104   | x-frame-options                  | deny                                                                                                   |
+| 105   | timing-allow-origin              | \*                                                                                                     |
+| 106   | access-control-expose-headers    | content-length                                                                                         |
+| 107   | access-control-allow-credentials | TRUE                                                                                                   |
+| 108   | access-control-allow-credentials | FALSE                                                                                                  |
+| 109   | expect-ct                        |                                                                                                        |
+| 110   | content-security-policy          | script-src 'none'; object-src 'none'; base-uri 'none'                                                  |
+| 111   | upgrade-insecure-requests        | 1                                                                                                      |
+| 112   | x-served-by                      |                                                                                                        |

While a very common header, it doesn't serve any purpose other than debugging. Maybe scrap it from here to encourage people to stop using it?

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1355#discussion_r188450661">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +| 97    | access-control-allow-methods     | options                                                                                                |
+| 98    | access-control-allow-methods     | get                                                                                                    |
+| 99    | access-control-allow-methods     | get, post, options                                                                                     |
+| 100   | access-control-allow-methods     | get, head, options                                                                                     |
+| 101   | access-control-allow-methods     | get, options                                                                                           |
+| 102   | origin                           |                                                                                                        |
+| 103   | x-frame-options                  | sameorigin                                                                                             |
+| 104   | x-frame-options                  | deny                                                                                                   |
+| 105   | timing-allow-origin              | \*                                                                                                     |
+| 106   | access-control-expose-headers    | content-length                                                                                         |
+| 107   | access-control-allow-credentials | TRUE                                                                                                   |
+| 108   | access-control-allow-credentials | FALSE                                                                                                  |
+| 109   | expect-ct                        |                                                                                                        |
+| 110   | content-security-policy          | script-src &#39;none&#39;; object-src &#39;none&#39;; base-uri &#39;none&#39;                                                  |
+| 111   | upgrade-insecure-requests        | 1                                                                                                      |
+| 112   | x-served-by                      |                                                                                                        |
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<p>While a very common header, it doesn't serve any purpose other than debugging. Maybe scrap it from here to encourage people to stop using it?</p>

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drwilco commented on this pull request.



> @@ -715,6 +714,132 @@ None.
 
 --- back
 
+# Static Table
+
+| Index | Name                             | Value                                                                                                  |
+| ----- | -------------------------------- | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
+| 0     | :path                            | /                                                                                                      |
+| 1     | referer                          |                                                                                                        |
+| 2     | content-length                   | 0                                                                                                      |
+| 3     | date                             |                                                                                                        |
+| 4     | last-modified                    |                                                                                                        |
+| 5     | :authority                       |                                                                                                        |
+| 6     | expires                          |                                                                                                        |

Considering `Expires` is HTTP/1.0, maybe don't include it to encourage people to start using `Cache-Control: max-age`?

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<p><b>@drwilco</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1355#discussion_r188450870">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -715,6 +714,132 @@ None.
 
 --- back
 
+# Static Table
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+| Index | Name                             | Value                                                                                                  |
+| ----- | -------------------------------- | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
+| 0     | :path                            | /                                                                                                      |
+| 1     | referer                          |                                                                                                        |
+| 2     | content-length                   | 0                                                                                                      |
+| 3     | date                             |                                                                                                        |
+| 4     | last-modified                    |                                                                                                        |
+| 5     | :authority                       |                                                                                                        |
+| 6     | expires                          |                                                                                                        |
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<p>Considering <code>Expires</code> is HTTP/1.0, maybe don't include it to encourage people to start using <code>Cache-Control: max-age</code>?</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: c44f01243a4702fb6b69b548b05c9fe88271905c
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c44f01243a4702fb6b69b548b05c9fe88271905c
  Author: afrind <afrind@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2018-05-15 (Tue, 15 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md

  Log Message:
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  Move QPACK control instructions to dedicated streams (#1238)

* Move QPACK control instructions to dedicated streams

1. Give QPACK encoders and decoders their own unidirectional streams (hardcoded to 6,7,10,11 for now)
2. Define simple framing for encoder stream
3. Move HEADER_ACK from HTTP over QUIC frame to QPACK instruction
4. Introduce Table State Synchronize instruction

Closes #1121 and #1122

* +----+ => -----

* Fix Header Ack bit pattern, describe wire format using text



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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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* reflect changes to short header from #1334

* reference fixup



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OBE, Mike fixed this already.

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  Octets that are sent twice (#1353)

* Octets that are sent twice

This is obvious, but never stated.  We discussed checking that they stay constant and agreed that requiring a check would be crazy.  However, we never wrote anything down.  I think that a MAY is fine.

* Insist on being able to deliver in order

But don't imply an absolute requirement to do so.

It seems like an opportune moment to point out that no provision is made for partial reliability either.

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I am fine with closing this as "won't fix". 

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<p>I am fine with closing this as "won't fix".</p>

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Closed #1256.

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I see.  I think that this is an easy fix, but we'll see.  We would still need this change, but also some more changes on the template.  In progress....

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<p>I see.  I think that this is an easy fix, but we'll see.  We would sti=
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  Narrow lint target to just the drafts

Note that this doesn't filter out non-markdown drafts, so this will fail in the general case, but I don't think that we'll have that problem here.


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Good enough.  Editors discussed this and for some reason I don't understand would prefer not to have this change in the -12 drafts.  Something about the potential for churn here being hard to deal with.  I don't buy that argument, we're still making major structural changes, so a little churn is expected.  @MikeBishop and @afrind merge at your discretion.

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  Branch: refs/heads/stateless-reset-fixes
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  Changed paths:
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75ff6ab  Update the header octet


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  * First half of Multiple PN spaces
  * v2
  * Rewrite introductory text
  * v3
  * v4
  * v5
  * v6
  * More text
  * Some rewrite. Remove address validation
  * v7
  * Packet appearance rules
  * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md
  * Remove OPTIMISTIC_ACK
  * v8
  * Kazuho's suggestion
  * v10?
  * Merge pull request #1 from ianswett/patch-1
  * Build fixes

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (191)
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (267)

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>v3</li>
  <li>v4</li>
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  <li>Merge pull request #1 from ianswett/patch-1</li>
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Yep, works now.  Thank you!

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<p>Yep, works now.  Thank you!</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/stateless-reset-fixes
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We can't really avoid them being tightly coupled -- at the very least, QPACK is defined for the payload of the HEADERS and PUSH_PROMISE frames.  Those are used for HTTP concepts, so *they* can't very well be defined by the QPACK spec.

Another dependency that currently exists:  HTTP has to reserve the unidirectional streams that QPACK needs.  And that's probably okay, as there's an existing dependency we can't get rid of.

There is an intriguing (scary) possibility there, though....  If there were a stream header on unidirectional streams and new types could be added by extensions, QPACK could simply register the new stream types it wants.  One less tight coupling, but one more extension point.

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<p>We can't really avoid them being tightly coupled -- at the very least,=
 QPACK is defined for the payload of the HEADERS and PUSH_PROMISE frames.=
  Those are used for HTTP concepts, so <em>they</em> can't very well be d=
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Borrows a lot of RFC7540 text into the introduction to make it less critical to fully understand HPACK prior to reading the QPACK spec.  (Note that it's not a goal of this PR to make this spec fully independent of HPACK, but rather to have the core concepts live in QPACK and reference specific sections of RFC7541 for concrete items like the Huffman table, integer encodings, etc.)

Also moved the Indexing discussion into the Introduction to live with this text, since it's thematically related.  Along the way, removed the text that QPACK is a "relatively non-intrusive extension to HPACK" since, well, it's not.  ;-)
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<p>Borrows a lot of RFC7540 text into the introduction to make it less critical to fully understand HPACK prior to reading the QPACK spec.  (Note that it's not a goal of this PR to make this spec fully independent of HPACK, but rather to have the core concepts live in QPACK and reference specific sections of RFC7541 for concrete items like the Huffman table, integer encodings, etc.)</p>
<p>Also moved the Indexing discussion into the Introduction to live with this text, since it's thematically related.  Along the way, removed the text that QPACK is a "relatively non-intrusive extension to HPACK" since, well, it's not.  ;-)</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/qpack_independent
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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  Changed paths:
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Fixes #1323.  Trying to describe how the max table size was used made me realize we never actually say, which is why I also wrote #1357; there's a reference that needs to be updated in whichever PR lands second.
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-- Commit Summary --

  * Move setting registrations into QPACK

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    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (11)
    M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md (32)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #1323.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="317318290" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1323" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1323">#1323</a>.  Trying to describe how the max table size was used made me realize we never actually say, which is why I also wrote <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="324555123" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1357" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1357">#1357</a>; there's a reference that needs to be updated in whichever PR lands second.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Move setting registrations into QPACK</li>
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    <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1358/files#diff-0">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>
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  <li><a href='https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1358.patch'>https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1358.patch</a></li>
  <li><a href='https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1358.diff'>https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1358.diff</a></li>
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You see, I like that idea.  QPACK defines its requirements in terms of streams and HPACK uses those.  It's a nice directed dependency arrangement.  The service it provides (uncompressed HEADERS -> compressed HEADERS) is provided, but only if hq provides some settings and some streams.  We might want to avoid having to put a type header on bidirectional streams though; no sense in being arbitrarily flexible.

BTW, think of what the CERTIFICATE frame stuff might do with its own stream...

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martinthomson commented on this pull request.

This is a good idea.

> +
+An encoder can choose to use less capacity than this maximum size (see
+{{size-update}}), but the chosen size MUST stay lower than or equal to the
+maximum set by the decoder.  Whenever the maximum size for the dynamic table is
+reduced, entries are evicted from the end of the dynamic table until the size of
+the dynamic table is less than or equal to the maximum size.
+
+This mechanism can be used to completely clear entries from the dynamic table by
+setting a maximum size of 0, which can subsequently be restored.
+
+### Indexing
+
+Entries in the QPACK static and dynamic tables are addressed separately.
+
+While entries in the static table have the same indices at all times, entries
+are inserted into the dynamic table over time.  Each entry possesses both an

change

> +reduced, entries are evicted from the end of the dynamic table until the size of
+the dynamic table is less than or equal to the maximum size.
+
+This mechanism can be used to completely clear entries from the dynamic table by
+setting a maximum size of 0, which can subsequently be restored.
+
+### Indexing
+
+Entries in the QPACK static and dynamic tables are addressed separately.
+
+While entries in the static table have the same indices at all times, entries
+are inserted into the dynamic table over time.  Each entry possesses both an
+absolute index which is fixed for the lifetime of that entry and a relative
+index which changes over time based on the context of the reference. The first
+entry inserted has an absolute index of "1"; indices increase sequentially with
+each insertion.

You need to explain that relative indexes increase in the opposite direction to the absolute index.  This is the most confusing aspect of this entire thing.

> +    | 0 |      ...      | n-d-1 |  Relative Index
+    +---+---------------+-------+
+      ^                     |
+      |                     V
+Insertion Point         Dropping Point
+
+n = count of entries inserted
+d = count of entries dropped
+~~~~~
+{: title="Example Dynamic Table Indexing - Control Stream"}
+
+Because frames from request streams can be delivered out of order with
+instructions on the control stream, relative indices are relative to the Base
+Index at the beginning of the header block (see {{absolute-index}}). The Base
+Index is the absolute index of the entry which has the relative index of zero
+when interpreting the frame.  The relative indices of entries do not change

You can drop the "which has" onwards.  I find it confusing.  How about: "The Base Index is an absolute index.  All subsequent references use relative index, with the entry identified in the Base Index having a relative index of 0."

> +~~~~~ drawing
+             Base Index
+                 |
+                 V
+    +---+-----+-----+-----+-------+
+    | n | n-1 | n-2 | ... |  d+1  |  Absolute Index
+    +---+-----+  -  +-----+   -   +
+              |  0  | ... | n-d-3 |  Relative Index
+              +-----+-----+-------+
+
+n = count of entries inserted
+d = count of entries dropped
+~~~~~
+{: title="Example Dynamic Table Indexing - Request Stream"}
+
+Entries with an absolute index greater than a frame's Base Index can be

Explain why: "A header block on the request stream can reference entries added after the entry identified by the Base Index.  This allows an encoder to process a header block in a single pass and include references to entries added while processing this (or other) header blocks.  Newly added entries are referenced using Post-Base instructions.  Indices for Post-Base instructions increase in the same direction as absolute indices, but the zero value is one higher than the Base Index."

> +~~~~~ drawing
+             Base Index
+                 |
+                 V
+    +---+-----+-----+-----+-------+
+    | n | n-1 | n-2 | ... |  d+1  |  Absolute Index
+    +---+-----+  -  +-----+   -   +
+              |  0  | ... | n-d-3 |  Relative Index
+              +-----+-----+-------+
+
+n = count of entries inserted
+d = count of entries dropped
+~~~~~
+{: title="Example Dynamic Table Indexing - Request Stream"}
+
+Entries with an absolute index greater than a frame's Base Index can be

Also, is the Largest Reference a Post-Base index?  It should be.

>  
-QPACK is intended to be a relatively non-intrusive extension to HPACK; an
-implementation should be easily shared within stacks supporting both HTTP/2 over
-(TLS+)TCP and HTTP/QUIC.
+## Header Tables

Make this h1.

>  
-If the packet containing a header is lost, that stream cannot complete header
-processing until the packet is retransmitted.  This is unavoidable. However,
-other streams which rely on the state created by that packet *also* cannot make
-progress. This is the problem which QUIC solves in general, but which is
-reintroduced by HPACK when the loss includes a HEADERS frame.
+### Static Table {#table-static}
+
+The static table consists of a predefined static list of header fields.  Its
+entries are defined in Appendix A of {{!RFC7541}}. Note that because HPACK did
+not use zero-based references, there is no value at index zero of the static
+table.
+
+### Dynamic Table {#table-dynamic}

This would benefit from subsections so that people can find Absolute and Relative indexing, "Base Index", Post-Base, etc...

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<p>This is a good idea.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1357#discussion_r189409292">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +
+An encoder can choose to use less capacity than this maximum size (see
+{{size-update}}), but the chosen size MUST stay lower than or equal to the
+maximum set by the decoder.  Whenever the maximum size for the dynamic table is
+reduced, entries are evicted from the end of the dynamic table until the size of
+the dynamic table is less than or equal to the maximum size.
+
+This mechanism can be used to completely clear entries from the dynamic table by
+setting a maximum size of 0, which can subsequently be restored.
+
+### Indexing
+
+Entries in the QPACK static and dynamic tables are addressed separately.
+
+While entries in the static table have the same indices at all times, entries
+are inserted into the dynamic table over time.  Each entry possesses both an
</pre>
<p>change</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1357#discussion_r189409377">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +reduced, entries are evicted from the end of the dynamic table until the size of
+the dynamic table is less than or equal to the maximum size.
+
+This mechanism can be used to completely clear entries from the dynamic table by
+setting a maximum size of 0, which can subsequently be restored.
+
+### Indexing
+
+Entries in the QPACK static and dynamic tables are addressed separately.
+
+While entries in the static table have the same indices at all times, entries
+are inserted into the dynamic table over time.  Each entry possesses both an
+absolute index which is fixed for the lifetime of that entry and a relative
+index which changes over time based on the context of the reference. The first
+entry inserted has an absolute index of &quot;1&quot;; indices increase sequentially with
+each insertion.
</pre>
<p>You need to explain that relative indexes increase in the opposite direction to the absolute index.  This is the most confusing aspect of this entire thing.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1357#discussion_r189409783">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +    | 0 |      ...      | n-d-1 |  Relative Index
+    +---+---------------+-------+
+      ^                     |
+      |                     V
+Insertion Point         Dropping Point
+
+n = count of entries inserted
+d = count of entries dropped
+~~~~~
+{: title=&quot;Example Dynamic Table Indexing - Control Stream&quot;}
+
+Because frames from request streams can be delivered out of order with
+instructions on the control stream, relative indices are relative to the Base
+Index at the beginning of the header block (see {{absolute-index}}). The Base
+Index is the absolute index of the entry which has the relative index of zero
+when interpreting the frame.  The relative indices of entries do not change
</pre>
<p>You can drop the "which has" onwards.  I find it confusing.  How about: "The Base Index is an absolute index.  All subsequent references use relative index, with the entry identified in the Base Index having a relative index of 0."</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1357#discussion_r189410132">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +~~~~~ drawing
+             Base Index
+                 |
+                 V
+    +---+-----+-----+-----+-------+
+    | n | n-1 | n-2 | ... |  d+1  |  Absolute Index
+    +---+-----+  -  +-----+   -   +
+              |  0  | ... | n-d-3 |  Relative Index
+              +-----+-----+-------+
+
+n = count of entries inserted
+d = count of entries dropped
+~~~~~
+{: title=&quot;Example Dynamic Table Indexing - Request Stream&quot;}
+
+Entries with an absolute index greater than a frame&#39;s Base Index can be
</pre>
<p>Explain why: "A header block on the request stream can reference entries added after the entry identified by the Base Index.  This allows an encoder to process a header block in a single pass and include references to entries added while processing this (or other) header blocks.  Newly added entries are referenced using Post-Base instructions.  Indices for Post-Base instructions increase in the same direction as absolute indices, but the zero value is one higher than the Base Index."</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1357#discussion_r189410175">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +~~~~~ drawing
+             Base Index
+                 |
+                 V
+    +---+-----+-----+-----+-------+
+    | n | n-1 | n-2 | ... |  d+1  |  Absolute Index
+    +---+-----+  -  +-----+   -   +
+              |  0  | ... | n-d-3 |  Relative Index
+              +-----+-----+-------+
+
+n = count of entries inserted
+d = count of entries dropped
+~~~~~
+{: title=&quot;Example Dynamic Table Indexing - Request Stream&quot;}
+
+Entries with an absolute index greater than a frame&#39;s Base Index can be
</pre>
<p>Also, is the Largest Reference a Post-Base index?  It should be.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1357#discussion_r189410278">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-QPACK is intended to be a relatively non-intrusive extension to HPACK; an
-implementation should be easily shared within stacks supporting both HTTP/2 over
-(TLS+)TCP and HTTP/QUIC.
+## Header Tables
</pre>
<p>Make this h1.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1357#discussion_r189410342">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-If the packet containing a header is lost, that stream cannot complete header
-processing until the packet is retransmitted.  This is unavoidable. However,
-other streams which rely on the state created by that packet *also* cannot make
-progress. This is the problem which QUIC solves in general, but which is
-reintroduced by HPACK when the loss includes a HEADERS frame.
+### Static Table {#table-static}
+
+The static table consists of a predefined static list of header fields.  Its
+entries are defined in Appendix A of {{!RFC7541}}. Note that because HPACK did
+not use zero-based references, there is no value at index zero of the static
+table.
+
+### Dynamic Table {#table-dynamic}
</pre>
<p>This would benefit from subsections so that people can find Absolute and Relative indexing, "Base Index", Post-Base, etc...</p>

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Fixes #910, implements the idea discussed in #1323.

Unidirectional streams have a header which indicates what type they are.  Two types are defined by HTTP (control stream, push stream); two by QPACK (encoder stream, decoder stream).  Others can be defined in the future, somewhat analogously to new frame types.  (But if you send one the peer doesn't understand, you get a STOP_SENDING.)

Also revived HTTP_CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM, which got dropped somewhere along the way, but was still referenced.
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-- Commit Summary --

  * WIP: Unidirectional stream headers
  * Fixups
  * Critical streams
  * QPACK control streams
  * IANA registration

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    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (249)
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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #910.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="273128473" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/910" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/910">#910</a>, implements the idea discussed in <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="317318290" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1323" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1323">#1323</a>.</p>
<p>Unidirectional streams have a header which indicates what type they are.  Two types are defined by HTTP (control stream, push stream); two by QPACK (encoder stream, decoder stream).  Others can be defined in the future, somewhat analogously to new frame types.  (But if you send one the peer doesn't understand, you get a STOP_SENDING.)</p>
<p>Also revived HTTP_CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM, which got dropped somewhere along the way, but was still referenced.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>WIP: Unidirectional stream headers</li>
  <li>Fixups</li>
  <li>Critical streams</li>
  <li>QPACK control streams</li>
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    <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1359/files#diff-1">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>
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<h4>Patch Links:</h4>
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  <li><a href='https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1359.patch'>https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1359.patch</a></li>
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LPardue requested changes on this pull request.

Surprisingly unpainful and I am comfortable with the overall concept.

Some minor nits plus some suggestions. Happy to discuss further.

>  When HTTP headers and data are sent over QUIC, the QUIC layer handles most of
 the stream management.
 
-An HTTP request/response consumes a single client-initiated, bidirectional
-stream.  A bidirectional stream ensures that the response can be readily
-correlated with the request. This means that the client's first request occurs
-on QUIC stream 4, with subsequent requests on stream 8, 12, and so on.
-
-Server push uses server-initiated, unidirectional streams.  Thus, the server's
-first push consumes stream 7 and subsequent pushes use stream 11, 15, and so on.
+QUIC reserves the first client-initiated, bidirectional stream (Stream 0) for
+cryptographic operations. All remaining client-initiated bidirectional streams
+are used for requests and responses.  A bidirectional stream ensures that the
+response can be readily correlated with the request. This means that the
+client's first request occurs on QUIC stream 4, with subsequent requests on
+stream 8, 12, and so on. HTTP/QUIC does not use server-initiated bidirectional

HTTP over QUIC

>  When HTTP headers and data are sent over QUIC, the QUIC layer handles most of
 the stream management.
 
-An HTTP request/response consumes a single client-initiated, bidirectional
-stream.  A bidirectional stream ensures that the response can be readily
-correlated with the request. This means that the client's first request occurs
-on QUIC stream 4, with subsequent requests on stream 8, 12, and so on.
-
-Server push uses server-initiated, unidirectional streams.  Thus, the server's
-first push consumes stream 7 and subsequent pushes use stream 11, 15, and so on.
+QUIC reserves the first client-initiated, bidirectional stream (Stream 0) for
+cryptographic operations. All remaining client-initiated bidirectional streams
+are used for requests and responses.  A bidirectional stream ensures that the
+response can be readily correlated with the request. This means that the
+client's first request occurs on QUIC stream 4, with subsequent requests on
+stream 8, 12, and so on. HTTP/QUIC does not use server-initiated bidirectional

This paragraph loses the previous language convention "X-initiated**,** Ydirectional"

>  When HTTP headers and data are sent over QUIC, the QUIC layer handles most of
 the stream management.
 
-An HTTP request/response consumes a single client-initiated, bidirectional
-stream.  A bidirectional stream ensures that the response can be readily
-correlated with the request. This means that the client's first request occurs
-on QUIC stream 4, with subsequent requests on stream 8, 12, and so on.
-
-Server push uses server-initiated, unidirectional streams.  Thus, the server's
-first push consumes stream 7 and subsequent pushes use stream 11, 15, and so on.
+QUIC reserves the first client-initiated, bidirectional stream (Stream 0) for
+cryptographic operations. All remaining client-initiated bidirectional streams
+are used for requests and responses.  A bidirectional stream ensures that the

HTTP requests and responses?

> +
+Unidirectional streams in both directions possess a stream header that indicates
+the stream's purpose.  Some purposes are defined in this document; other
+purposes MAY be defined by extensions to HTTP/QUIC.
+
+~~~~~~~~~~ drawing
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|Stream Type (8)|
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+~~~~~~~~~~
+{: #fig-stream-header title="Unidirectional Stream Header"}
+
+The stream header consists of a single byte, indicating the type of data to
+follow.  The format and structure of that data are defined by the specification
+of the stream type.

Suggest replacing this paragraph (as some of its text was absorbed above):

This document specifies two stream types: control stream ({{control-streams}}) and push stream ({{server-push}}). Other stream types MAY be defined by extensions to HTTP over QUIC.

> @@ -432,17 +409,76 @@ either by identifying the stream that carries a request or by using a Push ID
 Only a client can send PRIORITY frames.  A server MUST NOT send a PRIORITY
 frame.
 
+## Unidirectional Streams
+
+Unidirectional streams in both directions possess a stream header that indicates
+the stream's purpose.  Some purposes are defined in this document; other
+purposes MAY be defined by extensions to HTTP/QUIC.
+

Suggest:

Unidirectional streams, in either direction, may be used for a range of purposes. The identity of a purpose is indicated by a stream type, which is signaled to the peer using a stream header. This is a single octet that is sent as the first data on a stream, the format and structure of data that follows the stream header is dependent on the stream type.

> +the stream's purpose.  Some purposes are defined in this document; other
+purposes MAY be defined by extensions to HTTP/QUIC.
+
+~~~~~~~~~~ drawing
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|Stream Type (8)|
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+~~~~~~~~~~
+{: #fig-stream-header title="Unidirectional Stream Header"}
+
+The stream header consists of a single byte, indicating the type of data to
+follow.  The format and structure of that data are defined by the specification
+of the stream type.
+
+If the header indicates a stream type which is not supported by the recipient,

the stream header

>  
-HTTP/QUIC supports server push in a similar manner to {{!RFC7540}}, but uses
+Each side MUST initiate a single control stream at the beginning of the
+connection and send its SETTINGS frame as the first frame on this stream.  Only
+one control stream is permitted; receipt of a second stream which claims to be a

one control stream per peer

>  different mechanisms. During connection establishment, the client enables server
 push by sending a MAX_PUSH_ID frame (see {{frame-max-push-id}}). A server cannot
-use server push until it receives a MAX_PUSH_ID frame.
+use server push until it receives a MAX_PUSH_ID frame.  Only servers can push;
+if a server receives a client-initiated push stream, this MUST be treated as a
+stream error of type HTTP_PUSH_LIMIT_EXCEEDED.

The error type seems a bit wonky since the limit will never increase passed 0. I'd suggest either a different error (just a protocol error) or perhaps a recoined HTTP_PUSH_REFUSED. 

See my later point on stream type IANA.

>  
-As with server push for HTTP/2, the server initiates a server push by sending a
-PUSH_PROMISE frame (see {{frame-push-promise}}) that includes request headers
-for the promised request.  Promised requests MUST conform to the requirements in
+The remaining data on this stream consists of HTTP frames, as defined in
+{{frames}}, and carries the response side of an HTTP message exchange as
+described in {{request-response}}.  The request headers of the exchange is

s/is/are

>  
-As with server push for HTTP/2, the server initiates a server push by sending a
-PUSH_PROMISE frame (see {{frame-push-promise}}) that includes request headers
-for the promised request.  Promised requests MUST conform to the requirements in
+The remaining data on this stream consists of HTTP frames, as defined in
+{{frames}}, and carries the response side of an HTTP message exchange as
+described in {{request-response}}.  The request headers of the exchange is
+carried by a PUSH_PROMISE frame (see {{frame-push-promise}}) on the request

on the request stream?

> @@ -452,12 +488,8 @@ certain parts of the response is important (see Section 8.2.1 of {{!RFC7540}}).
 
 Unlike HTTP/2, the PUSH_PROMISE does not reference a stream; it contains a Push
 ID. The Push ID uniquely identifies a server push. This allows a server to
-fulfill promises in the order that best suits its needs.
-
-When a server later fulfills a promise, the server push response is conveyed on
-a push stream.  A push stream is a server-initiated, unidirectional stream.  A
-push stream identifies the Push ID of the promise that it fulfills, encoded as a
-variable-length integer.
+fulfill promises in the order that best suits its needs.  When a server later
+fulfills a promise, the server push response is conveyed on a push stream.

Perhaps this paragraph now fits better above the push stream header drawing?

> +
+Code:
+: The 8-bit code assigned to the stream type.
+
+Specification:
+: A reference to a specification that includes a description of the stream type,
+  including the layout semantics of its payload.
+
+The entries in the following table are registered by this document.
+
+| ---------------- | ------ | -------------------------- |
+| Stream Type      | Code   | Specification              |
+| ---------------- | :----: | -------------------------- |
+| Control Stream   | 0x43   | {{control-streams}}        |
+| Push Stream      | 0x50   | {{server-push}}            |
+| ---------------- | ------ | -------------------------- |

@I think it would be useful to state explicitly which direction that unidirectional stream types apply to i.e. client-initiated, server-initiated or both. Then we can just have a generic rule that says if a stream header is received on a directional that is not permitted by the type specification, then generate a generic error with HTTP_WRONG_STREAM_TYPE (or something else).

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<p><b>@LPardue</b> requested changes on this pull request.</p>

<p>Surprisingly unpainful and I am comfortable with the overall concept.</p>
<p>Some minor nits plus some suggestions. Happy to discuss further.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1359#discussion_r189420803">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  When HTTP headers and data are sent over QUIC, the QUIC layer handles most of
 the stream management.
 
-An HTTP request/response consumes a single client-initiated, bidirectional
-stream.  A bidirectional stream ensures that the response can be readily
-correlated with the request. This means that the client&#39;s first request occurs
-on QUIC stream 4, with subsequent requests on stream 8, 12, and so on.
-
-Server push uses server-initiated, unidirectional streams.  Thus, the server&#39;s
-first push consumes stream 7 and subsequent pushes use stream 11, 15, and so on.
+QUIC reserves the first client-initiated, bidirectional stream (Stream 0) for
+cryptographic operations. All remaining client-initiated bidirectional streams
+are used for requests and responses.  A bidirectional stream ensures that the
+response can be readily correlated with the request. This means that the
+client&#39;s first request occurs on QUIC stream 4, with subsequent requests on
+stream 8, 12, and so on. HTTP/QUIC does not use server-initiated bidirectional
</pre>
<p>HTTP over QUIC</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1359#discussion_r189420863">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  When HTTP headers and data are sent over QUIC, the QUIC layer handles most of
 the stream management.
 
-An HTTP request/response consumes a single client-initiated, bidirectional
-stream.  A bidirectional stream ensures that the response can be readily
-correlated with the request. This means that the client&#39;s first request occurs
-on QUIC stream 4, with subsequent requests on stream 8, 12, and so on.
-
-Server push uses server-initiated, unidirectional streams.  Thus, the server&#39;s
-first push consumes stream 7 and subsequent pushes use stream 11, 15, and so on.
+QUIC reserves the first client-initiated, bidirectional stream (Stream 0) for
+cryptographic operations. All remaining client-initiated bidirectional streams
+are used for requests and responses.  A bidirectional stream ensures that the
+response can be readily correlated with the request. This means that the
+client&#39;s first request occurs on QUIC stream 4, with subsequent requests on
+stream 8, 12, and so on. HTTP/QUIC does not use server-initiated bidirectional
</pre>
<p>This paragraph loses the previous language convention "X-initiated**,** Ydirectional"</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1359#discussion_r189420885">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  When HTTP headers and data are sent over QUIC, the QUIC layer handles most of
 the stream management.
 
-An HTTP request/response consumes a single client-initiated, bidirectional
-stream.  A bidirectional stream ensures that the response can be readily
-correlated with the request. This means that the client&#39;s first request occurs
-on QUIC stream 4, with subsequent requests on stream 8, 12, and so on.
-
-Server push uses server-initiated, unidirectional streams.  Thus, the server&#39;s
-first push consumes stream 7 and subsequent pushes use stream 11, 15, and so on.
+QUIC reserves the first client-initiated, bidirectional stream (Stream 0) for
+cryptographic operations. All remaining client-initiated bidirectional streams
+are used for requests and responses.  A bidirectional stream ensures that the
</pre>
<p>HTTP requests and responses?</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1359#discussion_r189421222">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +
+Unidirectional streams in both directions possess a stream header that indicates
+the stream&#39;s purpose.  Some purposes are defined in this document; other
+purposes MAY be defined by extensions to HTTP/QUIC.
+
+~~~~~~~~~~ drawing
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|Stream Type (8)|
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+~~~~~~~~~~
+{: #fig-stream-header title=&quot;Unidirectional Stream Header&quot;}
+
+The stream header consists of a single byte, indicating the type of data to
+follow.  The format and structure of that data are defined by the specification
+of the stream type.
</pre>
<p>Suggest replacing this paragraph (as some of its text was absorbed above):</p>
<p>This document specifies two stream types: control stream ({{control-streams}}) and push stream ({{server-push}}). Other stream types MAY be defined by extensions to HTTP over QUIC.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1359#discussion_r189421473">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -432,17 +409,76 @@ either by identifying the stream that carries a request or by using a Push ID
 Only a client can send PRIORITY frames.  A server MUST NOT send a PRIORITY
 frame.
 
+## Unidirectional Streams
+
+Unidirectional streams in both directions possess a stream header that indicates
+the stream&#39;s purpose.  Some purposes are defined in this document; other
+purposes MAY be defined by extensions to HTTP/QUIC.
+
</pre>
<p>Suggest:</p>
<p>Unidirectional streams, in either direction, may be used for a range of purposes. The identity of a purpose is indicated by a stream type, which is signaled to the peer using a stream header. This is a single octet that is sent as the first data on a stream, the format and structure of data that follows the stream header is dependent on the stream type.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1359#discussion_r189421545">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +the stream&#39;s purpose.  Some purposes are defined in this document; other
+purposes MAY be defined by extensions to HTTP/QUIC.
+
+~~~~~~~~~~ drawing
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|Stream Type (8)|
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+~~~~~~~~~~
+{: #fig-stream-header title=&quot;Unidirectional Stream Header&quot;}
+
+The stream header consists of a single byte, indicating the type of data to
+follow.  The format and structure of that data are defined by the specification
+of the stream type.
+
+If the header indicates a stream type which is not supported by the recipient,
</pre>
<p>the stream header</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1359#discussion_r189421665">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-HTTP/QUIC supports server push in a similar manner to {{!RFC7540}}, but uses
+Each side MUST initiate a single control stream at the beginning of the
+connection and send its SETTINGS frame as the first frame on this stream.  Only
+one control stream is permitted; receipt of a second stream which claims to be a
</pre>
<p>one control stream per peer</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1359#discussion_r189421742">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  different mechanisms. During connection establishment, the client enables server
 push by sending a MAX_PUSH_ID frame (see {{frame-max-push-id}}). A server cannot
-use server push until it receives a MAX_PUSH_ID frame.
+use server push until it receives a MAX_PUSH_ID frame.  Only servers can push;
+if a server receives a client-initiated push stream, this MUST be treated as a
+stream error of type HTTP_PUSH_LIMIT_EXCEEDED.
</pre>
<p>The error type seems a bit wonky since the limit will never increase passed 0. I'd suggest either a different error (just a protocol error) or perhaps a recoined HTTP_PUSH_REFUSED.</p>
<p>See my later point on stream type IANA.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1359#discussion_r189421861">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-As with server push for HTTP/2, the server initiates a server push by sending a
-PUSH_PROMISE frame (see {{frame-push-promise}}) that includes request headers
-for the promised request.  Promised requests MUST conform to the requirements in
+The remaining data on this stream consists of HTTP frames, as defined in
+{{frames}}, and carries the response side of an HTTP message exchange as
+described in {{request-response}}.  The request headers of the exchange is
</pre>
<p>s/is/are</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1359#discussion_r189421870">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-As with server push for HTTP/2, the server initiates a server push by sending a
-PUSH_PROMISE frame (see {{frame-push-promise}}) that includes request headers
-for the promised request.  Promised requests MUST conform to the requirements in
+The remaining data on this stream consists of HTTP frames, as defined in
+{{frames}}, and carries the response side of an HTTP message exchange as
+described in {{request-response}}.  The request headers of the exchange is
+carried by a PUSH_PROMISE frame (see {{frame-push-promise}}) on the request
</pre>
<p>on the request stream?</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1359#discussion_r189421919">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -452,12 +488,8 @@ certain parts of the response is important (see Section 8.2.1 of {{!RFC7540}}).
 
 Unlike HTTP/2, the PUSH_PROMISE does not reference a stream; it contains a Push
 ID. The Push ID uniquely identifies a server push. This allows a server to
-fulfill promises in the order that best suits its needs.
-
-When a server later fulfills a promise, the server push response is conveyed on
-a push stream.  A push stream is a server-initiated, unidirectional stream.  A
-push stream identifies the Push ID of the promise that it fulfills, encoded as a
-variable-length integer.
+fulfill promises in the order that best suits its needs.  When a server later
+fulfills a promise, the server push response is conveyed on a push stream.
</pre>
<p>Perhaps this paragraph now fits better above the push stream header drawing?</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1359#discussion_r189422065">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +
+Code:
+: The 8-bit code assigned to the stream type.
+
+Specification:
+: A reference to a specification that includes a description of the stream type,
+  including the layout semantics of its payload.
+
+The entries in the following table are registered by this document.
+
+| ---------------- | ------ | -------------------------- |
+| Stream Type      | Code   | Specification              |
+| ---------------- | :----: | -------------------------- |
+| Control Stream   | 0x43   | {{control-streams}}        |
+| Push Stream      | 0x50   | {{server-push}}            |
+| ---------------- | ------ | -------------------------- |
</pre>
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> +
+An encoder can choose to use less capacity than this maximum size (see
+{{size-update}}), but the chosen size MUST stay lower than or equal to the
+maximum set by the decoder.  Whenever the maximum size for the dynamic table is
+reduced, entries are evicted from the end of the dynamic table until the size of
+the dynamic table is less than or equal to the maximum size.
+
+This mechanism can be used to completely clear entries from the dynamic table by
+setting a maximum size of 0, which can subsequently be restored.
+
+### Indexing
+
+Entries in the QPACK static and dynamic tables are addressed separately.
+
+While entries in the static table have the same indices at all times, entries
+are inserted into the dynamic table over time.  Each entry possesses both an

Clarity

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1357#discussion_r189423173">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +
+An encoder can choose to use less capacity than this maximum size (see
+{{size-update}}), but the chosen size MUST stay lower than or equal to the
+maximum set by the decoder.  Whenever the maximum size for the dynamic table is
+reduced, entries are evicted from the end of the dynamic table until the size of
+the dynamic table is less than or equal to the maximum size.
+
+This mechanism can be used to completely clear entries from the dynamic table by
+setting a maximum size of 0, which can subsequently be restored.
+
+### Indexing
+
+Entries in the QPACK static and dynamic tables are addressed separately.
+
+While entries in the static table have the same indices at all times, entries
+are inserted into the dynamic table over time.  Each entry possesses both an
</pre>
<p>Clarity</p>

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> +~~~~~ drawing
+             Base Index
+                 |
+                 V
+    +---+-----+-----+-----+-------+
+    | n | n-1 | n-2 | ... |  d+1  |  Absolute Index
+    +---+-----+  -  +-----+   -   +
+              |  0  | ... | n-d-3 |  Relative Index
+              +-----+-----+-------+
+
+n = count of entries inserted
+d = count of entries dropped
+~~~~~
+{: title="Example Dynamic Table Indexing - Request Stream"}
+
+Entries with an absolute index greater than a frame's Base Index can be

Not quite, though LR and Base are given one as absolute and one relative to the other. LR might be less than Base, or more, or the same. 

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1357#discussion_r189423207">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +~~~~~ drawing
+             Base Index
+                 |
+                 V
+    +---+-----+-----+-----+-------+
+    | n | n-1 | n-2 | ... |  d+1  |  Absolute Index
+    +---+-----+  -  +-----+   -   +
+              |  0  | ... | n-d-3 |  Relative Index
+              +-----+-----+-------+
+
+n = count of entries inserted
+d = count of entries dropped
+~~~~~
+{: title=&quot;Example Dynamic Table Indexing - Request Stream&quot;}
+
+Entries with an absolute index greater than a frame&#39;s Base Index can be
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<p>Not quite, though LR and Base are given one as absolute and one relative to the other. LR might be less than Base, or more, or the same.</p>

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> +
+An encoder can choose to use less capacity than this maximum size (see
+{{size-update}}), but the chosen size MUST stay lower than or equal to the
+maximum set by the decoder.  Whenever the maximum size for the dynamic table is
+reduced, entries are evicted from the end of the dynamic table until the size of
+the dynamic table is less than or equal to the maximum size.
+
+This mechanism can be used to completely clear entries from the dynamic table by
+setting a maximum size of 0, which can subsequently be restored.
+
+### Indexing
+
+Entries in the QPACK static and dynamic tables are addressed separately.
+
+While entries in the static table have the same indices at all times, entries
+are inserted into the dynamic table over time.  Each entry possesses both an

table [change] over time ?

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1357#discussion_r189473124">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +
+An encoder can choose to use less capacity than this maximum size (see
+{{size-update}}), but the chosen size MUST stay lower than or equal to the
+maximum set by the decoder.  Whenever the maximum size for the dynamic table is
+reduced, entries are evicted from the end of the dynamic table until the size of
+the dynamic table is less than or equal to the maximum size.
+
+This mechanism can be used to completely clear entries from the dynamic table by
+setting a maximum size of 0, which can subsequently be restored.
+
+### Indexing
+
+Entries in the QPACK static and dynamic tables are addressed separately.
+
+While entries in the static table have the same indices at all times, entries
+are inserted into the dynamic table over time.  Each entry possesses both an
</pre>
<p>table [change] over time ?</p>

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> +~~~~~ drawing
+             Base Index
+                 |
+                 V
+    +---+-----+-----+-----+-------+
+    | n | n-1 | n-2 | ... |  d+1  |  Absolute Index
+    +---+-----+  -  +-----+   -   +
+              |  0  | ... | n-d-3 |  Relative Index
+              +-----+-----+-------+
+
+n = count of entries inserted
+d = count of entries dropped
+~~~~~
+{: title="Example Dynamic Table Indexing - Request Stream"}
+
+Entries with an absolute index greater than a frame's Base Index can be

I don't think that there is any value in having Largest Reference with a lower absolute value than the Base Index.  I mean, sure, it can happen, but why would you encode that?

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1357#discussion_r189473153">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +~~~~~ drawing
+             Base Index
+                 |
+                 V
+    +---+-----+-----+-----+-------+
+    | n | n-1 | n-2 | ... |  d+1  |  Absolute Index
+    +---+-----+  -  +-----+   -   +
+              |  0  | ... | n-d-3 |  Relative Index
+              +-----+-----+-------+
+
+n = count of entries inserted
+d = count of entries dropped
+~~~~~
+{: title=&quot;Example Dynamic Table Indexing - Request Stream&quot;}
+
+Entries with an absolute index greater than a frame&#39;s Base Index can be
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<p>I don't think that there is any value in having Largest Reference with a lower absolute value than the Base Index.  I mean, sure, it can happen, but why would you encode that?</p>

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I like this design.  The possibilities it opens are fairly appealing.

> @@ -432,17 +409,76 @@ either by identifying the stream that carries a request or by using a Push ID
 Only a client can send PRIORITY frames.  A server MUST NOT send a PRIORITY
 frame.
 
+## Unidirectional Streams
+
+Unidirectional streams in both directions possess a stream header that indicates
+the stream's purpose.  Some purposes are defined in this document; other
+purposes MAY be defined by extensions to HTTP/QUIC.
+

Or shorter: "Unidirectional streams, in either direction, are used for a range of purposes. The purpose is indicated by a stream type, which is sent as a single octet header at the start of the stream.  The format and structure of data that follows this header is determined by the stream type.

> +
+Unidirectional streams in both directions possess a stream header that indicates
+the stream's purpose.  Some purposes are defined in this document; other
+purposes MAY be defined by extensions to HTTP/QUIC.
+
+~~~~~~~~~~ drawing
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|Stream Type (8)|
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+~~~~~~~~~~
+{: #fig-stream-header title="Unidirectional Stream Header"}
+
+The stream header consists of a single byte, indicating the type of data to
+follow.  The format and structure of that data are defined by the specification
+of the stream type.

s/MAY/can/  (not an interoperability requirement, but a statement of fact)

> +~~~~~~~~~~ drawing
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|Stream Type (8)|
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+~~~~~~~~~~
+{: #fig-stream-header title="Unidirectional Stream Header"}
+
+The stream header consists of a single byte, indicating the type of data to
+follow.  The format and structure of that data are defined by the specification
+of the stream type.
+
+If the header indicates a stream type which is not supported by the recipient,
+the stream MUST be aborted (using a QUIC STOP_SENDING frame) with an error of
+type HTTP_UNKNOWN_STREAM_TYPE.  The remainder of the stream SHOULD NOT be read
+by the recipient.

If your strategy here is to permit the use of these extensions without negotiation, the possibility that stream errors might be promoted to connection errors remain.  You should be clearer on this point.

I also don't think that you can require the stream to be stopped.  I won't send STOP_SENDING if the stream closes before I get around to it.

And for "SHOULD NOT be read", that's not necessary.  The semantics are undefined, so whether or not the data is read is immaterial.

>  
-HTTP/QUIC supports server push in a similar manner to {{!RFC7540}}, but uses
+Each side MUST initiate a single control stream at the beginning of the
+connection and send its SETTINGS frame as the first frame on this stream.  Only
+one control stream is permitted; receipt of a second stream which claims to be a
+control stream MUST be treated as a connection error of type
+HTTP_TOO_CONTROLLING.  If the control stream is closed at any point, this MUST

I'm not a big fan of these very-specific error codes.  A "you screwed up" code is sufficient for these cases.

>  
-HTTP/QUIC supports server push in a similar manner to {{!RFC7540}}, but uses
+Each side MUST initiate a single control stream at the beginning of the
+connection and send its SETTINGS frame as the first frame on this stream.  Only
+one control stream is permitted; receipt of a second stream which claims to be a
+control stream MUST be treated as a connection error of type
+HTTP_TOO_CONTROLLING.  If the control stream is closed at any point, this MUST
+be treated as a connection error of type HTTP_CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM.

Have you considered creating a special stream for "settings", that is closed when all settings-related information is complete?  That would allow for sending MAX_PUSH_ID there with some certainty about status.  You could then reserve the "control" stream type for PRIORITY, MAX_PUSH_ID, CANCEL_PUSH, and GOAWAY frames.

>  
-HTTP/QUIC supports server push in a similar manner to {{!RFC7540}}, but uses
+Each side MUST initiate a single control stream at the beginning of the
+connection and send its SETTINGS frame as the first frame on this stream.  Only
+one control stream is permitted; receipt of a second stream which claims to be a
+control stream MUST be treated as a connection error of type
+HTTP_TOO_CONTROLLING.  If the control stream is closed at any point, this MUST
+be treated as a connection error of type HTTP_CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM.
+
+Since most connection-level concerns will be managed by QUIC, the primary use of
+the control streams will be for the SETTINGS frame when the connection opens and
+for PRIORITY frames subsequently.

and push-related control frames, and GOAWAY

>  different mechanisms. During connection establishment, the client enables server
 push by sending a MAX_PUSH_ID frame (see {{frame-max-push-id}}). A server cannot
-use server push until it receives a MAX_PUSH_ID frame.
+use server push until it receives a MAX_PUSH_ID frame.  Only servers can push;
+if a server receives a client-initiated push stream, this MUST be treated as a
+stream error of type HTTP_PUSH_LIMIT_EXCEEDED.
+
+A push stream is indicated by a stream type of `0x50`, followed by the Push ID

Care to share your rationale for picking these values?

> +| HTTP_WRONG_STREAM                   | 0x000A     | A frame was sent on the wrong stream     | {{http-error-codes}}   |
+| HTTP_PUSH_LIMIT_EXCEEDED            | 0x000B     | Maximum Push ID exceeded                 | {{http-error-codes}}   |
+| HTTP_DUPLICATE_PUSH                 | 0x000C     | Push ID was fulfilled multiple times     | {{http-error-codes}}   |
+| HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME                | 0x01XX     | Error in frame formatting or use         | {{http-error-codes}}   |
+| HTTP_UNKNOWN_STREAM_TYPE            | 0x0D       | Unknown unidirectional stream type       | {{http-error-codes}}   |
+| HTTP_TOO_CONTROLLING                | 0x0E       | Multiple control streams                 | {{http-error-codes}}   |
+| HTTP_CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM         | 0x0F       | Critical stream was closed               | {{http-error-codes}}   |
+| ----------------------------------- | ---------- | ---------------------------------------- | ---------------------- |
+
+## Stream Types {#iana-stream-types}
+
+This document establishes a registry for HTTP/QUIC unidirectional stream types.
+The "HTTP/QUIC Stream Type" registry manages an 8-bit space.  The "HTTP/QUIC
+Stream Type" registry operates under either of the "IETF Review" or "IESG
+Approval" policies {{?RFC8126}} for values between 0x00 and 0xef, with values
+between 0xf0 and 0xff being reserved for Experimental Use.

inclusive or exclusive?  (You might need to fix you copied too.)

> @@ -179,17 +179,23 @@ x ...
 QPACK instructions occur in three locations, each of which uses a separate
 instruction space:
 
- - Table updates are carried by a unidirectional stream from encoder to decoder.
-   Instructions on this stream modify the dynamic table state without generating
-   output to any particular request.
+ - Table updates are carried by a unidirectional stream of type `0x48` from
+   encoder to decoder. Instructions on this stream modify the dynamic table
+   state without generating output to any particular request.

You name this "encoder stream" in two places later, but don't establish the name here where it is defined.  "An encoder stream is a unidirectional stream that carries table updates..." and "An acknowledgment stream is a unidirectional stream that carries acknowledgments..."

Is it better as "table update stream"?

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<p>I like this design.  The possibilities it opens are fairly appealing.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1359#discussion_r189475908">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -432,17 +409,76 @@ either by identifying the stream that carries a request or by using a Push ID
 Only a client can send PRIORITY frames.  A server MUST NOT send a PRIORITY
 frame.
 
+## Unidirectional Streams
+
+Unidirectional streams in both directions possess a stream header that indicates
+the stream&#39;s purpose.  Some purposes are defined in this document; other
+purposes MAY be defined by extensions to HTTP/QUIC.
+
</pre>
<p>Or shorter: "Unidirectional streams, in either direction, are used for a range of purposes. The purpose is indicated by a stream type, which is sent as a single octet header at the start of the stream.  The format and structure of data that follows this header is determined by the stream type.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1359#discussion_r189475926">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +
+Unidirectional streams in both directions possess a stream header that indicates
+the stream&#39;s purpose.  Some purposes are defined in this document; other
+purposes MAY be defined by extensions to HTTP/QUIC.
+
+~~~~~~~~~~ drawing
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|Stream Type (8)|
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+~~~~~~~~~~
+{: #fig-stream-header title=&quot;Unidirectional Stream Header&quot;}
+
+The stream header consists of a single byte, indicating the type of data to
+follow.  The format and structure of that data are defined by the specification
+of the stream type.
</pre>
<p>s/MAY/can/  (not an interoperability requirement, but a statement of fact)</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1359#discussion_r189476079">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +~~~~~~~~~~ drawing
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|Stream Type (8)|
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+~~~~~~~~~~
+{: #fig-stream-header title=&quot;Unidirectional Stream Header&quot;}
+
+The stream header consists of a single byte, indicating the type of data to
+follow.  The format and structure of that data are defined by the specification
+of the stream type.
+
+If the header indicates a stream type which is not supported by the recipient,
+the stream MUST be aborted (using a QUIC STOP_SENDING frame) with an error of
+type HTTP_UNKNOWN_STREAM_TYPE.  The remainder of the stream SHOULD NOT be read
+by the recipient.
</pre>
<p>If your strategy here is to permit the use of these extensions without negotiation, the possibility that stream errors might be promoted to connection errors remain.  You should be clearer on this point.</p>
<p>I also don't think that you can require the stream to be stopped.  I won't send STOP_SENDING if the stream closes before I get around to it.</p>
<p>And for "SHOULD NOT be read", that's not necessary.  The semantics are undefined, so whether or not the data is read is immaterial.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1359#discussion_r189476150">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-HTTP/QUIC supports server push in a similar manner to {{!RFC7540}}, but uses
+Each side MUST initiate a single control stream at the beginning of the
+connection and send its SETTINGS frame as the first frame on this stream.  Only
+one control stream is permitted; receipt of a second stream which claims to be a
+control stream MUST be treated as a connection error of type
+HTTP_TOO_CONTROLLING.  If the control stream is closed at any point, this MUST
</pre>
<p>I'm not a big fan of these very-specific error codes.  A "you screwed up" code is sufficient for these cases.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1359#discussion_r189476322">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-HTTP/QUIC supports server push in a similar manner to {{!RFC7540}}, but uses
+Each side MUST initiate a single control stream at the beginning of the
+connection and send its SETTINGS frame as the first frame on this stream.  Only
+one control stream is permitted; receipt of a second stream which claims to be a
+control stream MUST be treated as a connection error of type
+HTTP_TOO_CONTROLLING.  If the control stream is closed at any point, this MUST
+be treated as a connection error of type HTTP_CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM.
</pre>
<p>Have you considered creating a special stream for "settings", that is closed when all settings-related information is complete?  That would allow for sending MAX_PUSH_ID there with some certainty about status.  You could then reserve the "control" stream type for PRIORITY, MAX_PUSH_ID, CANCEL_PUSH, and GOAWAY frames.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1359#discussion_r189476333">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-HTTP/QUIC supports server push in a similar manner to {{!RFC7540}}, but uses
+Each side MUST initiate a single control stream at the beginning of the
+connection and send its SETTINGS frame as the first frame on this stream.  Only
+one control stream is permitted; receipt of a second stream which claims to be a
+control stream MUST be treated as a connection error of type
+HTTP_TOO_CONTROLLING.  If the control stream is closed at any point, this MUST
+be treated as a connection error of type HTTP_CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM.
+
+Since most connection-level concerns will be managed by QUIC, the primary use of
+the control streams will be for the SETTINGS frame when the connection opens and
+for PRIORITY frames subsequently.
</pre>
<p>and push-related control frames, and GOAWAY</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1359#discussion_r189476361">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  different mechanisms. During connection establishment, the client enables server
 push by sending a MAX_PUSH_ID frame (see {{frame-max-push-id}}). A server cannot
-use server push until it receives a MAX_PUSH_ID frame.
+use server push until it receives a MAX_PUSH_ID frame.  Only servers can push;
+if a server receives a client-initiated push stream, this MUST be treated as a
+stream error of type HTTP_PUSH_LIMIT_EXCEEDED.
+
+A push stream is indicated by a stream type of `0x50`, followed by the Push ID
</pre>
<p>Care to share your rationale for picking these values?</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1359#discussion_r189476452">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +| HTTP_WRONG_STREAM                   | 0x000A     | A frame was sent on the wrong stream     | {{http-error-codes}}   |
+| HTTP_PUSH_LIMIT_EXCEEDED            | 0x000B     | Maximum Push ID exceeded                 | {{http-error-codes}}   |
+| HTTP_DUPLICATE_PUSH                 | 0x000C     | Push ID was fulfilled multiple times     | {{http-error-codes}}   |
+| HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME                | 0x01XX     | Error in frame formatting or use         | {{http-error-codes}}   |
+| HTTP_UNKNOWN_STREAM_TYPE            | 0x0D       | Unknown unidirectional stream type       | {{http-error-codes}}   |
+| HTTP_TOO_CONTROLLING                | 0x0E       | Multiple control streams                 | {{http-error-codes}}   |
+| HTTP_CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM         | 0x0F       | Critical stream was closed               | {{http-error-codes}}   |
+| ----------------------------------- | ---------- | ---------------------------------------- | ---------------------- |
+
+## Stream Types {#iana-stream-types}
+
+This document establishes a registry for HTTP/QUIC unidirectional stream types.
+The &quot;HTTP/QUIC Stream Type&quot; registry manages an 8-bit space.  The &quot;HTTP/QUIC
+Stream Type&quot; registry operates under either of the &quot;IETF Review&quot; or &quot;IESG
+Approval&quot; policies {{?RFC8126}} for values between 0x00 and 0xef, with values
+between 0xf0 and 0xff being reserved for Experimental Use.
</pre>
<p>inclusive or exclusive?  (You might need to fix you copied too.)</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1359#discussion_r189476614">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -179,17 +179,23 @@ x ...
 QPACK instructions occur in three locations, each of which uses a separate
 instruction space:
 
- - Table updates are carried by a unidirectional stream from encoder to decoder.
-   Instructions on this stream modify the dynamic table state without generating
-   output to any particular request.
+ - Table updates are carried by a unidirectional stream of type `0x48` from
+   encoder to decoder. Instructions on this stream modify the dynamic table
+   state without generating output to any particular request.
</pre>
<p>You name this "encoder stream" in two places later, but don't establish the name here where it is defined.  "An encoder stream is a unidirectional stream that carries table updates..." and "An acknowledgment stream is a unidirectional stream that carries acknowledgments..."</p>
<p>Is it better as "table update stream"?</p>

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-- Commit Summary --

  * Add changelog entries for -12

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (5)
    M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md (16)
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (7)

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Add changelog entries for -12</li>
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Has this been superseded by #1357?

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<p>Has this been superseded by <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="324555123" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1357" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1357">#1357</a>?</p>

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I *think* that the QPACK Encoder Stream comprises a sequence of these "blocks", but the draft never says that explicitly.

I can only guess at the contents of a QPACK Decoder Stream.  My best guess is that it also uses "blocks".  The draft needs to say what it is.

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<p>I <em>think</em> that the QPACK Encoder Stream comprises a sequence of these "blocks", but the draft never says that explicitly.</p>
<p>I can only guess at the contents of a QPACK Decoder Stream.  My best guess is that it also uses "blocks".  The draft needs to say what it is.</p>

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The value of the base index can be set at the start of an encoding pass.  Swapping the two values means only one change for the encoder when it comes back to update the header.

It also means less likelihood of a change in size.  If largest reference moves near (for example) 127, then its encoded size needs to change.  But it would be rare to find that the largest reference would differ from the base by more than 127 octets, even something an implementation could prevent.

The corner case here is where there are NO dynamic table references at all.  I found this to happen in tests occasionally.  This alternative design is no better in that regard because both values need to be set to 0 in that case.  Using a negative zero offset as a special case is a great idea, but the value exists.

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<p>The value of the base index can be set at the start of an encoding pass.  Swapping the two values means only one change for the encoder when it comes back to update the header.</p>
<p>It also means less likelihood of a change in size.  If largest reference moves near (for example) 127, then its encoded size needs to change.  But it would be rare to find that the largest reference would differ from the base by more than 127 octets, even something an implementation could prevent.</p>
<p>The corner case here is where there are NO dynamic table references at all.  I found this to happen in tests occasionally.  This alternative design is no better in that regard because both values need to be set to 0 in that case.  Using a negative zero offset as a special case is a great idea, but the value exists.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/swap-base-and-largest
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9572af326aabe94edda0697e119fa3fa86b6c25e
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-05-21 (Mon, 21 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md

  Log Message:
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  Swap largest reference and base indices

In writing this up, it was unclear to me what the current text was doing with greater/lesser and the delta encoding.  I think that talking in terms of absolute indices is the only sane way to do this, so I changed things to match.

Closes #1362.



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In writing this up, it was unclear to me what the current text was doing with greater/lesser and the delta encoding.  I think that talking in terms of absolute indices is the only sane way to do this, so I changed things to match.

Closes #1362.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1363

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  * Swap largest reference and base indices

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md (42)

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<p>In writing this up, it was unclear to me what the current text was doing with greater/lesser and the delta encoding.  I think that talking in terms of absolute indices is the only sane way to do this, so I changed things to match.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #1362.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="324766613" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1362" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1362">#1362</a>.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Swap largest reference and base indices</li>
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<h4>File Changes</h4>
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<h4>Patch Links:</h4>
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  <li><a href='https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1363.patch'>https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1363.patch</a></li>
  <li><a href='https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1363.diff'>https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1363.diff</a></li>
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In section 6.8.5.  Privacy Implications of Connection Migration, the base transport spec says:
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An endpoint that to break linkability upon changing networks MUST use a previously unused connection ID provided by its peer. Protection of packet numbers ensures that packet numbers cannot be used to correlate connections. Other properties of packets, such as timing and size, might be used to correlate activity, but no explicit correlation can be used to link activity across paths.
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"That to break" is a bit awkward. Something must have been left out in the editing process...




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<p>In section 6.8.5.  Privacy Implications of Connection Migration, the base transport spec says:</p>
<pre><code>An endpoint that to break linkability upon changing networks MUST use a previously unused connection ID provided by its peer. Protection of packet numbers ensures that packet numbers cannot be used to correlate connections. Other properties of packets, such as timing and size, might be used to correlate activity, but no explicit correlation can be used to link activity across paths.
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Acknowledgments encode the number of insertions, which is nice because that's what you need to track for other reasons.  However, this makes resizing the table invisible and not acknowledged.  I think that's OK, but it means that an encoder can't rely on increased space being available until it receives acknowledgment for the next insertion after the resize.

I think that's worth calling out in the description of the Dynamic Table Size Update instruction.

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<p>Acknowledgments encode the number of insertions, which is nice because that's what you need to track for other reasons.  However, this makes resizing the table invisible and not acknowledged.  I think that's OK, but it means that an encoder can't rely on increased space being available until it receives acknowledgment for the next insertion after the resize.</p>
<p>I think that's worth calling out in the description of the Dynamic Table Size Update instruction.</p>
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  Branch: refs/heads/post-base-indexed
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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  Changed paths:
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These are different enough that they deserve a heading.  And some fixups on the diagrams.



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These are different enough that they deserve a heading.  And some fixups on the diagrams.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1366

-- Commit Summary --

  * Adds subheadings for post-base instructions

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md (32)

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<p>These are different enough that they deserve a heading.  And some fixups on the diagrams.</p>

<hr>

<h4>You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:</h4>
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href='https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1366'>https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1366</a></p>

<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Adds subheadings for post-base instructions</li>
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<h4>File Changes</h4>
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    <strong>M</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1366/files#diff-0">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>
    (32)
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  <li><a href='https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1366.patch'>https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1366.patch</a></li>
  <li><a href='https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1366.diff'>https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1366.diff</a></li>
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MikeBishop commented on this pull request.



> +~~~~~ drawing
+             Base Index
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+    +---+-----+  -  +-----+   -   +
+              |  0  | ... | n-d-3 |  Relative Index
+              +-----+-----+-------+
+
+n = count of entries inserted
+d = count of entries dropped
+~~~~~
+{: title="Example Dynamic Table Indexing - Request Stream"}
+
+Entries with an absolute index greater than a frame's Base Index can be

Because a likely algorithm would be that Base is the largest entry you've inserted in the dynamic table, before you've examined the incoming header set.  If you don't wind up using entries that are in flight (or any entries, in the extreme case), then Largest Reference will indicate that the most recent entries aren't needed.

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<p><b>@MikeBishop</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1357#discussion_r189647453">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +~~~~~ drawing
+             Base Index
+                 |
+                 V
+    +---+-----+-----+-----+-------+
+    | n | n-1 | n-2 | ... |  d+1  |  Absolute Index
+    +---+-----+  -  +-----+   -   +
+              |  0  | ... | n-d-3 |  Relative Index
+              +-----+-----+-------+
+
+n = count of entries inserted
+d = count of entries dropped
+~~~~~
+{: title=&quot;Example Dynamic Table Indexing - Request Stream&quot;}
+
+Entries with an absolute index greater than a frame&#39;s Base Index can be
</pre>
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  Branch: refs/heads/qpack_concepts
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MikeBishop commented on this pull request.



>  When HTTP headers and data are sent over QUIC, the QUIC layer handles =
most of
 the stream management.
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-An HTTP request/response consumes a single client-initiated, bidirection=
al
-stream.  A bidirectional stream ensures that the response can be readily=

-correlated with the request. This means that the client's first request =
occurs
-on QUIC stream 4, with subsequent requests on stream 8, 12, and so on.
-
-Server push uses server-initiated, unidirectional streams.  Thus, the se=
rver's
-first push consumes stream 7 and subsequent pushes use stream 11, 15, an=
d so on.
+QUIC reserves the first client-initiated, bidirectional stream (Stream 0=
) for
+cryptographic operations. All remaining client-initiated bidirectional s=
treams
+are used for requests and responses.  A bidirectional stream ensures tha=
t the
+response can be readily correlated with the request. This means that the=

+client's first request occurs on QUIC stream 4, with subsequent requests=
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+stream 8, 12, and so on. HTTP/QUIC does not use server-initiated bidirec=
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"HTTP/QUIC" is used 60 times in this document, "HTTP over QUIC" is used 5=
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<p><b>@MikeBishop</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1359#discussi=
on_r189655420">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style=3D'color:#555'>&gt;  When HTTP headers and data are sent over =
QUIC, the QUIC layer handles most of
 the stream management.
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-An HTTP request/response consumes a single client-initiated, bidirection=
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rver&#39;s
-first push consumes stream 7 and subsequent pushes use stream 11, 15, an=
d so on.
+QUIC reserves the first client-initiated, bidirectional stream (Stream 0=
) for
+cryptographic operations. All remaining client-initiated bidirectional s=
treams
+are used for requests and responses.  A bidirectional stream ensures tha=
t the
+response can be readily correlated with the request. This means that the=

+client&#39;s first request occurs on QUIC stream 4, with subsequent requ=
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<p>"HTTP/QUIC" is used 60 times in this document, "HTTP over QUIC" is use=
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MikeBishop commented on this pull request.



>  
-HTTP/QUIC supports server push in a similar manner to {{!RFC7540}}, but uses
+Each side MUST initiate a single control stream at the beginning of the
+connection and send its SETTINGS frame as the first frame on this stream.  Only
+one control stream is permitted; receipt of a second stream which claims to be a
+control stream MUST be treated as a connection error of type
+HTTP_TOO_CONTROLLING.  If the control stream is closed at any point, this MUST
+be treated as a connection error of type HTTP_CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM.

Reasonable suggestion; let's maybe do that as a second stage, though?

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1359#discussion_r189657853">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-HTTP/QUIC supports server push in a similar manner to {{!RFC7540}}, but uses
+Each side MUST initiate a single control stream at the beginning of the
+connection and send its SETTINGS frame as the first frame on this stream.  Only
+one control stream is permitted; receipt of a second stream which claims to be a
+control stream MUST be treated as a connection error of type
+HTTP_TOO_CONTROLLING.  If the control stream is closed at any point, this MUST
+be treated as a connection error of type HTTP_CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM.
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<p>Reasonable suggestion; let's maybe do that as a second stage, though?</p>

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>  
-HTTP/QUIC supports server push in a similar manner to {{!RFC7540}}, but uses
+Each side MUST initiate a single control stream at the beginning of the
+connection and send its SETTINGS frame as the first frame on this stream.  Only
+one control stream is permitted; receipt of a second stream which claims to be a
+control stream MUST be treated as a connection error of type
+HTTP_TOO_CONTROLLING.  If the control stream is closed at any point, this MUST
+be treated as a connection error of type HTTP_CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM.
+
+Since most connection-level concerns will be managed by QUIC, the primary use of
+the control streams will be for the SETTINGS frame when the connection opens and
+for PRIORITY frames subsequently.

True, the control stream has expanded again since this text was first written elsewhere.  Let's just drop that paragraph.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1359#discussion_r189658920">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-HTTP/QUIC supports server push in a similar manner to {{!RFC7540}}, but uses
+Each side MUST initiate a single control stream at the beginning of the
+connection and send its SETTINGS frame as the first frame on this stream.  Only
+one control stream is permitted; receipt of a second stream which claims to be a
+control stream MUST be treated as a connection error of type
+HTTP_TOO_CONTROLLING.  If the control stream is closed at any point, this MUST
+be treated as a connection error of type HTTP_CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM.
+
+Since most connection-level concerns will be managed by QUIC, the primary use of
+the control streams will be for the SETTINGS frame when the connection opens and
+for PRIORITY frames subsequently.
</pre>
<p>True, the control stream has expanded again since this text was first written elsewhere.  Let's just drop that paragraph.</p>

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>  different mechanisms. During connection establishment, the client enables server
 push by sending a MAX_PUSH_ID frame (see {{frame-max-push-id}}). A server cannot
-use server push until it receives a MAX_PUSH_ID frame.
+use server push until it receives a MAX_PUSH_ID frame.  Only servers can push;
+if a server receives a client-initiated push stream, this MUST be treated as a
+stream error of type HTTP_PUSH_LIMIT_EXCEEDED.
+
+A push stream is indicated by a stream type of `0x50`, followed by the Push ID

If we think a table and 0x00, 0x01, etc. is better, I can do that easily enough.  However, 0x00 in particular seems like a first byte you could get reasonably by accident.  I think non-sequential usage will make it somewhat less likely that bugs/experiments will collide, so I selected these via ASCII values.

Control streams are ASCII "C", push is ASCII "P", and header compression uses "H" and "h".  It has a nice side-effect of viewing the stream data in a UI that renders the bytes into ASCII/UTF-8.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1359#discussion_r189707865">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  different mechanisms. During connection establishment, the client enables server
 push by sending a MAX_PUSH_ID frame (see {{frame-max-push-id}}). A server cannot
-use server push until it receives a MAX_PUSH_ID frame.
+use server push until it receives a MAX_PUSH_ID frame.  Only servers can push;
+if a server receives a client-initiated push stream, this MUST be treated as a
+stream error of type HTTP_PUSH_LIMIT_EXCEEDED.
+
+A push stream is indicated by a stream type of `0x50`, followed by the Push ID
</pre>
<p>If we think a table and 0x00, 0x01, etc. is better, I can do that easily enough.  However, 0x00 in particular seems like a first byte you could get reasonably by accident.  I think non-sequential usage will make it somewhat less likely that bugs/experiments will collide, so I selected these via ASCII values.</p>
<p>Control streams are ASCII "C", push is ASCII "P", and header compression uses "H" and "h".  It has a nice side-effect of viewing the stream data in a UI that renders the bytes into ASCII/UTF-8.</p>

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> +~~~~~ drawing
+             Base Index
+                 |
+                 V
+    +---+-----+-----+-----+-------+
+    | n | n-1 | n-2 | ... |  d+1  |  Absolute Index
+    +---+-----+  -  +-----+   -   +
+              |  0  | ... | n-d-3 |  Relative Index
+              +-----+-----+-------+
+
+n = count of entries inserted
+d = count of entries dropped
+~~~~~
+{: title="Example Dynamic Table Indexing - Request Stream"}
+
+Entries with an absolute index greater than a frame's Base Index can be

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1357#discussion_r189740878">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +~~~~~ drawing
+             Base Index
+                 |
+                 V
+    +---+-----+-----+-----+-------+
+    | n | n-1 | n-2 | ... |  d+1  |  Absolute Index
+    +---+-----+  -  +-----+   -   +
+              |  0  | ... | n-d-3 |  Relative Index
+              +-----+-----+-------+
+
+n = count of entries inserted
+d = count of entries dropped
+~~~~~
+{: title=&quot;Example Dynamic Table Indexing - Request Stream&quot;}
+
+Entries with an absolute index greater than a frame&#39;s Base Index can be
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>  
-HTTP/QUIC supports server push in a similar manner to {{!RFC7540}}, but uses
+Each side MUST initiate a single control stream at the beginning of the
+connection and send its SETTINGS frame as the first frame on this stream.  Only
+one control stream is permitted; receipt of a second stream which claims to be a
+control stream MUST be treated as a connection error of type
+HTTP_TOO_CONTROLLING.  If the control stream is closed at any point, this MUST
+be treated as a connection error of type HTTP_CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1359#discussion_r189741449">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-HTTP/QUIC supports server push in a similar manner to {{!RFC7540}}, but uses
+Each side MUST initiate a single control stream at the beginning of the
+connection and send its SETTINGS frame as the first frame on this stream.  Only
+one control stream is permitted; receipt of a second stream which claims to be a
+control stream MUST be treated as a connection error of type
+HTTP_TOO_CONTROLLING.  If the control stream is closed at any point, this MUST
+be treated as a connection error of type HTTP_CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM.
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martinthomson commented on this pull request.



>  different mechanisms. During connection establishment, the client enables server
 push by sending a MAX_PUSH_ID frame (see {{frame-max-push-id}}). A server cannot
-use server push until it receives a MAX_PUSH_ID frame.
+use server push until it receives a MAX_PUSH_ID frame.  Only servers can push;
+if a server receives a client-initiated push stream, this MUST be treated as a
+stream error of type HTTP_PUSH_LIMIT_EXCEEDED.
+
+A push stream is indicated by a stream type of `0x50`, followed by the Push ID

Just wondering.  I don't do ASCII conversion in my head, so the numbers looked a little odd.  There is no real reason to pick numbers sequentially.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1359#discussion_r189741617">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  different mechanisms. During connection establishment, the client enables server
 push by sending a MAX_PUSH_ID frame (see {{frame-max-push-id}}). A server cannot
-use server push until it receives a MAX_PUSH_ID frame.
+use server push until it receives a MAX_PUSH_ID frame.  Only servers can push;
+if a server receives a client-initiated push stream, this MUST be treated as a
+stream error of type HTTP_PUSH_LIMIT_EXCEEDED.
+
+A push stream is indicated by a stream type of `0x50`, followed by the Push ID
</pre>
<p>Just wondering.  I don't do ASCII conversion in my head, so the numbers looked a little odd.  There is no real reason to pick numbers sequentially.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/http_unidirectional
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MikeBishop commented on this pull request.



> @@ -179,17 +179,23 @@ x ...
 QPACK instructions occur in three locations, each of which uses a separate
 instruction space:
 
- - Table updates are carried by a unidirectional stream from encoder to decoder.
-   Instructions on this stream modify the dynamic table state without generating
-   output to any particular request.
+ - Table updates are carried by a unidirectional stream of type `0x48` from
+   encoder to decoder. Instructions on this stream modify the dynamic table
+   state without generating output to any particular request.

Not specific to this PR, but happy to address separately.

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<p><b>@MikeBishop</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1359#discussion_r189764739">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -179,17 +179,23 @@ x ...
 QPACK instructions occur in three locations, each of which uses a separate
 instruction space:
 
- - Table updates are carried by a unidirectional stream from encoder to decoder.
-   Instructions on this stream modify the dynamic table state without generating
-   output to any particular request.
+ - Table updates are carried by a unidirectional stream of type `0x48` from
+   encoder to decoder. Instructions on this stream modify the dynamic table
+   state without generating output to any particular request.
</pre>
<p>Not specific to this PR, but happy to address separately.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/http_unidirectional
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c909214  Introduce stream terms


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Fixed a reference to the undefined ConnID field to SCIL field.
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  * Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (2)

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<p>Fixed a reference to the undefined ConnID field to SCIL field.</p>

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  Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

Fixed a reference to undefined ConnID field to SCIL


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  Merge pull request #1367 from gloinul/patch-1

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  Branch: refs/heads/handshake-usage
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
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  Changed paths:
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  * Make Handshake packet use more explicit

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (5)

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<h4>You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:</h4>
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  Branch: refs/heads/that-to-break
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/bdd93922c0ec37379d1d8d838d3b4cdcbd0d8ba2
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-05-22 (Tue, 22 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Reword linkability on migration text

Closes #1364



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Closes #1364.
You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1369

-- Commit Summary --

  * Reword linkability on migration text

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (11)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #1364.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="324787996" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1364" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1364">#1364</a>.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Reword linkability on migration text</li>
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<h4>File Changes</h4>
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    <strong>M</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1369/files#diff-0">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>
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  <li><a href='https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1369.patch'>https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1369.patch</a></li>
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mikkelfj commented on this pull request.



> @@ -1806,11 +1806,12 @@ support this, multiple NEW_CONNECTION_ID messages are needed.  Each
 NEW_CONNECTION_ID is marked with a sequence number.  Connection IDs MUST be used
 in the order in which they are numbered.
 
-An endpoint that to break linkability upon changing networks MUST use a
-previously unused connection ID provided by its peer.  Protection of packet
-numbers ensures that packet numbers cannot be used to correlate connections.
-Other properties of packets, such as timing and size, might be used to correlate
-activity, but no explicit correlation can be used to link activity across paths.
+Upon changing networks an endpoint MUST use a previously unused connection ID
+provided by its peer.  This eliminates the use of the connection ID for linking
+activity from the same connection on different networks.  Protection of packet
+numbers ensures that packet numbers cannot be used to correlate activity.  Other
+properties of packets, such as timing and size, might be used to correlate
+activity, but these changes ensure that the packet header cannot be used.
 

"but these changes" is a bit vague - how about "but using a path unique connection ID enures ..."

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<p><b>@mikkelfj</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1369#discussion_r189856003">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1806,11 +1806,12 @@ support this, multiple NEW_CONNECTION_ID messages are needed.  Each
 NEW_CONNECTION_ID is marked with a sequence number.  Connection IDs MUST be used
 in the order in which they are numbered.
 
-An endpoint that to break linkability upon changing networks MUST use a
-previously unused connection ID provided by its peer.  Protection of packet
-numbers ensures that packet numbers cannot be used to correlate connections.
-Other properties of packets, such as timing and size, might be used to correlate
-activity, but no explicit correlation can be used to link activity across paths.
+Upon changing networks an endpoint MUST use a previously unused connection ID
+provided by its peer.  This eliminates the use of the connection ID for linking
+activity from the same connection on different networks.  Protection of packet
+numbers ensures that packet numbers cannot be used to correlate activity.  Other
+properties of packets, such as timing and size, might be used to correlate
+activity, but these changes ensure that the packet header cannot be used.
 
</pre>
<p>"but these changes" is a bit vague - how about "but using a path unique connection ID enures ..."</p>

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> @@ -1806,11 +1806,12 @@ support this, multiple NEW_CONNECTION_ID messages are needed.  Each
 NEW_CONNECTION_ID is marked with a sequence number.  Connection IDs MUST be used
 in the order in which they are numbered.
 
-An endpoint that to break linkability upon changing networks MUST use a
-previously unused connection ID provided by its peer.  Protection of packet
-numbers ensures that packet numbers cannot be used to correlate connections.
-Other properties of packets, such as timing and size, might be used to correlate
-activity, but no explicit correlation can be used to link activity across paths.
+Upon changing networks an endpoint MUST use a previously unused connection ID
+provided by its peer.  This eliminates the use of the connection ID for linking
+activity from the same connection on different networks.  Protection of packet
+numbers ensures that packet numbers cannot be used to correlate activity.  Other
+properties of packets, such as timing and size, might be used to correlate
+activity, but these changes ensure that the packet header cannot be used.
 

Looks good to me, but I agree with @Mikkelfj, "but these changes" is loose text and wont stand well after another change or three.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1369#discussion_r189893775">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1806,11 +1806,12 @@ support this, multiple NEW_CONNECTION_ID messages are needed.  Each
 NEW_CONNECTION_ID is marked with a sequence number.  Connection IDs MUST be used
 in the order in which they are numbered.
 
-An endpoint that to break linkability upon changing networks MUST use a
-previously unused connection ID provided by its peer.  Protection of packet
-numbers ensures that packet numbers cannot be used to correlate connections.
-Other properties of packets, such as timing and size, might be used to correlate
-activity, but no explicit correlation can be used to link activity across paths.
+Upon changing networks an endpoint MUST use a previously unused connection ID
+provided by its peer.  This eliminates the use of the connection ID for linking
+activity from the same connection on different networks.  Protection of packet
+numbers ensures that packet numbers cannot be used to correlate activity.  Other
+properties of packets, such as timing and size, might be used to correlate
+activity, but these changes ensure that the packet header cannot be used.
 
</pre>
<p>Looks good to me, but I agree with <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-user-id="193335" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/mikkelfj">@mikkelfj</a>, "but these changes" is loose text and wont stand well after another change or three.</p>

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When you acknowledge a header block, you also implicitly acknowledge the largest reference used in that header block.  You can't acknowledge it otherwise.

Should we require that an encoder track this information so that a decoder can reduce the number of acknowledgments that it sends?  It's more complicated to do that, but it can save some bytes and the associated churn.  I haven't implemented delayed acknowledgments for QPACK, but this would possibly make that more effective.

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<p>When you acknowledge a header block, you also implicitly acknowledge the largest reference used in that header block.  You can't acknowledge it otherwise.</p>
<p>Should we require that an encoder track this information so that a decoder can reduce the number of acknowledgments that it sends?  It's more complicated to do that, but it can save some bytes and the associated churn.  I haven't implemented delayed acknowledgments for QPACK, but this would possibly make that more effective.</p>

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There isn't much advice in hq or qpack about tracking of header blocks, and it's one of the hardest parts to implement.  The nastiest bit is dealing with reset streams.  If a stream is reset, then all the header blocks are no longer blocked, and none of the table entries they reference need to be tracked.

However..., tracking can only stop once the peer has received the reset, otherwise the peer might read the pre-reset data and block, increasing the number of blocked streams.  So we need to know when the peer stops caring, either because they sent STOP_SENDING or received RST_STREAM.  But we don't have a signal for this.  The header block acknowledgment only applies to a single header block, not the entire stream.

It's also a timely reminder that APIs need to surface when an inbound stream is stopped (STOP_SENDING) or reset (RST_STREAM).  In either case, an HTTP receiver would need to send whatever signal we're missing here.

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<p>There isn't much advice in hq or qpack about tracking of header blocks, and it's one of the hardest parts to implement.  The nastiest bit is dealing with reset streams.  If a stream is reset, then all the header blocks are no longer blocked, and none of the table entries they reference need to be tracked.</p>
<p>However..., tracking can only stop once the peer has received the reset, otherwise the peer might read the pre-reset data and block, increasing the number of blocked streams.  So we need to know when the peer stops caring, either because they sent STOP_SENDING or received RST_STREAM.  But we don't have a signal for this.  The header block acknowledgment only applies to a single header block, not the entire stream.</p>
<p>It's also a timely reminder that APIs need to surface when an inbound stream is stopped (STOP_SENDING) or reset (RST_STREAM).  In either case, an HTTP receiver would need to send whatever signal we're missing here.</p>

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Yes I intended it to just be a stream of the instructions defined on the decoder stream.

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<p>Yes I intended it to just be a stream of the instructions defined on the decoder stream.</p>

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The reason Largest Reference comes first is that the decoder needs to examine this value first before knowing if it can even attempt to decode the block.  One can use scatter/gather i/o to handle the fact that the prefix values are need to be updated at the end of the encoding pass (eg: encode them in two different buffers, rather than messing around with the beginning of single buffer).

It's not clear to me what you mean by 'negative zero offset as a special case' - can you elaborate?

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<p>The reason Largest Reference comes first is that the decoder needs to =
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The inserts and the table size updates all happen on the encoder stream, which is in-order and reliable.  Why can't the encoder assume the additional space is available immediately after encoding the table size update?

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The encoder must already know the set of headers referenced in a block, so it can trivially compute the largest reference without keeping any additional state.  I think we can say that acknowledging a header block implicitly acknowledges its largest reference and save the bytes on the wire.

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Yes I raised this earlier (which @MikeBishop filed as #1176).  That got closed by making the consequence of the race condition a stream error rather than a connection error, since the race is likely to be quite rare.  eg: the encoder can reset all its state when it sends the RST_STREAM, rather than when it is acknowledged.  I think when we added the setting for number of blocked streams we re-introduced the connection level error.  I wasn't really thrilled with that solution but I'm not thrilled by adding an application level stream-reset-ack either. 

Assuming we have to do this, do you think this should be an HTTP frame sent on the control stream or a QPACK instruction sent on the decoder stream?

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To save a day/night cycle, I read that as:

- The proposal is to encode LR relative to Base rather than the other way around, because LR will usually be +/-127 from Base all the time.
- When LR turns out to be zero and Base is >127, the suggestion is a sentinel value (negative zero) mean "actually zero" instead of "difference of zero."

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<p>To save a day/night cycle, I read that as:</p>
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Indeed, HPACK has no acknowledgements for this.  HPACK has acknowledgements (via H2 SETTINGS) for changes in the decoder's maximum table size, but that's mostly immutable in HQ.

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<p>Indeed, HPACK has no acknowledgements for this.  HPACK has acknowledgements (via H2 SETTINGS) for changes in the decoder's maximum table size, but that's mostly immutable in HQ.</p>

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This pull request contains an initial adaptation of what was in the design teams Wiki, but with more explanatory glue, and modifications to places where ACK or ACK_ECN frames can be used for example. 

Recovery draft changes are only pseudo code level so far and need a bit more work. 
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  * According to text in wiki. Some MD fixes to get right formating.
  * Modified proposed text to integrate better and take care of issues around connection migration, ensure more straightforward checks.
  * Fixed a typo on anchor creation
  * According to text in wiki. Some MD fixes to get right formating.
  * Modified proposed text to integrate better and take care of issues around connection migration, ensure more straightforward checks.
  * Fixed a typo on anchor creation
  * Merge branch 'ecn' of https://github.com/gloinul/base-drafts into ecn
  * Clarified that ACK or ACK_ECN can be used for acknowledgment in handshake. Clarified what the first packets that can be marked as ECT are in a connection.
  * Added ECN intro paragraph. Various editorial improvements of ECN text.
  * Fixed bullet list, Added parenthis around section refs.
  * Fixed indentation and formating

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    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (20)
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (111)

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<p>This pull request contains an initial adaptation of what was in the design teams Wiki, but with more explanatory glue, and modifications to places where ACK or ACK_ECN frames can be used for example.</p>
<p>Recovery draft changes are only pseudo code level so far and need a bit more work.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>According to text in wiki. Some MD fixes to get right formating.</li>
  <li>Modified proposed text to integrate better and take care of issues around connection migration, ensure more straightforward checks.</li>
  <li>Fixed a typo on anchor creation</li>
  <li>According to text in wiki. Some MD fixes to get right formating.</li>
  <li>Modified proposed text to integrate better and take care of issues around connection migration, ensure more straightforward checks.</li>
  <li>Fixed a typo on anchor creation</li>
  <li>Merge branch &#39;ecn&#39; of https://github.com/gloinul/base-drafts into ecn</li>
  <li>Clarified that ACK or ACK_ECN can be used for acknowledgment in handshake. Clarified what the first packets that can be marked as ECT are in a connection.</li>
  <li>Added ECN intro paragraph. Various editorial improvements of ECN text.</li>
  <li>Fixed bullet list, Added parenthis around section refs.</li>
  <li>Fixed indentation and formating</li>
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    <strong>M</strong>
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Given that the entries are usually added to the table precisely because a header block is going to use them, this would probably cover acknowledgements most of the time.  I'd be okay with that; you're already having to track which entries the block referenced, so this really isn't much additional state, if any.  Just an additional action with that state when you pull a block out of the queue.

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When I'd sketched it out before, I was envisioning a flag on the decoder's ACK that effectively says "one header block / all header blocks".  When a stream was reset, it would ack all header blocks on that stream to indicate it was no longer tracking them.

However, that gets a little less obvious with #1370, since this is no longer really an acknowledgement, it's a "don't care about."  In that case, I might cast it as a separate instruction.

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<p><b>@MikeBishop</b> approved this pull request.</p>

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Logically I prefer LR first - it's the first thing needed and the decoder only needs to read one variable length integer out of the transport instead of two.  It's the only value that needs to be updated after encoding (unsure why you said "Swapping the two values means only one change...").

With -0 you can get away without resizing the encoding of LR and shifting the buffer *most* of the time, but you'll still need code to handle the case where it does resize, and this code path will be rarely exercised, or worse -- omitted.  If we were going to special case -0 => LR=0, we should do this universally rather than only when Base > 127.

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MikeBishop requested changes on this pull request.

Minor nits.

> @@ -769,3 +769,19 @@ those authors is gratefully acknowledged, as well as ideas from:
 * Ian Swett
 
 * Dmitri Tikhonov
+
+
+# Change Log
+
+> **RFC Editor's Note:**  Please remove this section prior to publication of a
+> final version of this document.
+
+## Since draft-ietf-quic-qpack-00

I think you mean "Since draft-ietf-quic-qcram-00" -- this will be qpack-00, and needs to be submitted as replacing -qcram.

> @@ -4253,7 +4253,12 @@ Issue and pull request numbers are listed with a leading octothorp.
 
 ## Since draft-ietf-quic-transport-11
 
-- Enable server to transition connections to a preferred address (#560,#1251).
+- Enable server to transition connections to a preferred address (#560,#1251)
+- Packet numbers are encrypted (#1174, #1043, #1048, #1034, #850, #990, #734,
+  #1079)
+- Packet numbers use a variable-length encoding (#989, #1334)
+- Servers can set a preferred address (#560, #1251)

Duplicative with the first item.

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<p><b>@MikeBishop</b> requested changes on this pull request.</p>

<p>Minor nits.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1360#discussion_r190049792">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -769,3 +769,19 @@ those authors is gratefully acknowledged, as well as ideas from:
 * Ian Swett
 
 * Dmitri Tikhonov
+
+
+# Change Log
+
+&gt; **RFC Editor&#39;s Note:**  Please remove this section prior to publication of a
+&gt; final version of this document.
+
+## Since draft-ietf-quic-qpack-00
</pre>
<p>I think you mean "Since draft-ietf-quic-qcram-00" -- this will be qpack-00, and needs to be submitted as replacing -qcram.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1360#discussion_r190050124">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -4253,7 +4253,12 @@ Issue and pull request numbers are listed with a leading octothorp.
 
 ## Since draft-ietf-quic-transport-11
 
-- Enable server to transition connections to a preferred address (#560,#1251).
+- Enable server to transition connections to a preferred address (#560,#1251)
+- Packet numbers are encrypted (#1174, #1043, #1048, #1034, #850, #990, #734,
+  #1079)
+- Packet numbers use a variable-length encoding (#989, #1334)
+- Servers can set a preferred address (#560, #1251)
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No, Martin's correct about that.  If Base is given as an absolute and LR as a delta, you only update one field (the delta) once you know LR.  If LR is given as an absolute and Base as a delta from that, you can't fill in *either* field until you know the value of LR.

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<p>No, Martin's correct about that.  If Base is given as an absolute and =
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> +The static table consists of a predefined static list of header fields, each of
+which has a fixed index over time.  Its entries are defined in Appendix A of
+{{!RFC7541}}. Note that because HPACK did not use zero-based references, there
+is no value at index zero of the static table.
+
+## Dynamic Table {#table-dynamic}
+
+The dynamic table consists of a list of header fields maintained in first-in,
+first-out order.  The dynamic table is initially empty.  Entries are added by
+instructions on the Encoder Stream (see {{encoder-stream}}).
+
+Before a new entry is added to the dynamic table, entries are evicted from the
+end of the dynamic table until the size of the dynamic table is less than or
+equal to (maximum size - new entry size) or until the table is empty.
+
+If the size of the new entry is less than or equal to the maximum size, that

This is of course HPACK's behavior too, but it's a very inefficient way to accomplish this goal.  Is it worth mentioning that two dynamic table size update commands will accomplish the same effect with fewer bytes on the wire?

> +
+The dynamic table consists of a list of header fields maintained in first-in,
+first-out order.  The dynamic table is initially empty.  Entries are added by
+instructions on the Encoder Stream (see {{encoder-stream}}).
+
+Before a new entry is added to the dynamic table, entries are evicted from the
+end of the dynamic table until the size of the dynamic table is less than or
+equal to (maximum size - new entry size) or until the table is empty.
+
+If the size of the new entry is less than or equal to the maximum size, that
+entry is added to the table.  It is not an error to attempt to add an entry that
+is larger than the maximum size; an attempt to add an entry larger than the
+maximum size causes the table to be emptied of all existing entries and results
+in an empty table.
+
+A new entry can reference the name of an entry in the dynamic table that will be

It can also reference the entire entry: eg Duplicate

> +
+### Absolute and Relative Indexing {#indexing}
+
+Each entry possesses both an absolute index which is fixed for the lifetime of
+that entry and a relative index which changes over time based on the context of
+the reference. The first entry inserted has an absolute index of "1"; indices
+increase sequentially with each insertion.
+
+The relative index begins at zero and increases in the opposite direction from
+the absolute index.  Determining which entry has a relative index of "0" depends
+on the context of the reference.
+
+On the control stream, a relative index of "0" always refers to the most
+recently inserted value in the dynamic table.  Note that this means the
+entry referenced by a given relative index can change while interpreting
+a HEADERS frame as new entries are inserted.

HEADERS frames do not insert entries.

> +increase sequentially with each insertion.
+
+The relative index begins at zero and increases in the opposite direction from
+the absolute index.  Determining which entry has a relative index of "0" depends
+on the context of the reference.
+
+On the control stream, a relative index of "0" always refers to the most
+recently inserted value in the dynamic table.  Note that this means the
+entry referenced by a given relative index can change while interpreting
+a HEADERS frame as new entries are inserted.
+
+~~~~~ drawing
+    +---+---------------+-------+
+    | n |      ...      | d + 1 |  Absolute Index
+    + - +---------------+   -   +
+    | 0 |      ...      | n-d-1 |  Relative Index

Nit: d + 1 has spaces around the operator and n-d-1 does not.  My preference would be to expand the column so both could have spaces.

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<p><b>@afrind</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1357#discussion_r190050765">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +The static table consists of a predefined static list of header fields, each of
+which has a fixed index over time.  Its entries are defined in Appendix A of
+{{!RFC7541}}. Note that because HPACK did not use zero-based references, there
+is no value at index zero of the static table.
+
+## Dynamic Table {#table-dynamic}
+
+The dynamic table consists of a list of header fields maintained in first-in,
+first-out order.  The dynamic table is initially empty.  Entries are added by
+instructions on the Encoder Stream (see {{encoder-stream}}).
+
+Before a new entry is added to the dynamic table, entries are evicted from the
+end of the dynamic table until the size of the dynamic table is less than or
+equal to (maximum size - new entry size) or until the table is empty.
+
+If the size of the new entry is less than or equal to the maximum size, that
</pre>
<p>This is of course HPACK's behavior too, but it's a very inefficient way to accomplish this goal.  Is it worth mentioning that two dynamic table size update commands will accomplish the same effect with fewer bytes on the wire?</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1357#discussion_r190051058">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +
+The dynamic table consists of a list of header fields maintained in first-in,
+first-out order.  The dynamic table is initially empty.  Entries are added by
+instructions on the Encoder Stream (see {{encoder-stream}}).
+
+Before a new entry is added to the dynamic table, entries are evicted from the
+end of the dynamic table until the size of the dynamic table is less than or
+equal to (maximum size - new entry size) or until the table is empty.
+
+If the size of the new entry is less than or equal to the maximum size, that
+entry is added to the table.  It is not an error to attempt to add an entry that
+is larger than the maximum size; an attempt to add an entry larger than the
+maximum size causes the table to be emptied of all existing entries and results
+in an empty table.
+
+A new entry can reference the name of an entry in the dynamic table that will be
</pre>
<p>It can also reference the entire entry: eg Duplicate</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1357#discussion_r190051795">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +
+### Absolute and Relative Indexing {#indexing}
+
+Each entry possesses both an absolute index which is fixed for the lifetime of
+that entry and a relative index which changes over time based on the context of
+the reference. The first entry inserted has an absolute index of &quot;1&quot;; indices
+increase sequentially with each insertion.
+
+The relative index begins at zero and increases in the opposite direction from
+the absolute index.  Determining which entry has a relative index of &quot;0&quot; depends
+on the context of the reference.
+
+On the control stream, a relative index of &quot;0&quot; always refers to the most
+recently inserted value in the dynamic table.  Note that this means the
+entry referenced by a given relative index can change while interpreting
+a HEADERS frame as new entries are inserted.
</pre>
<p>HEADERS frames do not insert entries.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1357#discussion_r190052131">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +increase sequentially with each insertion.
+
+The relative index begins at zero and increases in the opposite direction from
+the absolute index.  Determining which entry has a relative index of &quot;0&quot; depends
+on the context of the reference.
+
+On the control stream, a relative index of &quot;0&quot; always refers to the most
+recently inserted value in the dynamic table.  Note that this means the
+entry referenced by a given relative index can change while interpreting
+a HEADERS frame as new entries are inserted.
+
+~~~~~ drawing
+    +---+---------------+-------+
+    | n |      ...      | d + 1 |  Absolute Index
+    + - +---------------+   -   +
+    | 0 |      ...      | n-d-1 |  Relative Index
</pre>
<p>Nit: d + 1 has spaces around the operator and n-d-1 does not.  My preference would be to expand the column so both could have spaces.</p>

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We had intentionally been trying to keep these grouped, because they're logically the same, just with different indexing.  I'm not averse to separating them out either, but the old style was deliberate.



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<p>We had intentionally been trying to keep these grouped, because they're logically the same, just with different indexing.  I'm not averse to separating them out either, but the old style was deliberate.</p>

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> @@ -777,18 +777,13 @@ Settings which are integers use the QUIC variable-length integer encoding.
 
 #### Defined SETTINGS Parameters {#settings-parameters}
 
-The following settings are defined in HTTP/QUIC:
-
-  SETTINGS_HEADER_TABLE_SIZE (0x1):
-  : An integer with a maximum value of 2^30 - 1.  The default value is 4,096
-    bytes.
+The following setting is defined in HTTP/QUIC:
 
   SETTINGS_MAX_HEADER_LIST_SIZE (0x6):

Does anything in this document explain what SETTINGS_MAX_HEADER_LIST_SIZE does?

>  
   SETTINGS_MAX_HEADER_LIST_SIZE (0x6):
   : An integer with a maximum value of 2^30 - 1.  The default value is
     unlimited.
 
-  SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS (0x7):
-  : An integer with a maximum value of 2^16 - 1.  The default value is 100.
+Additional settings MAY be defined by extensions to HTTP/QUIC.

Are we calling QPACK an extension to HTTP/QUIC?  Or it is for purposes of SETTINGS?

> @@ -1418,13 +1413,11 @@ The entries in the following table are registered by this document.
 |----------------------------|------|-------------------------|
 | Setting Name               | Code | Specification           |
 |----------------------------|:----:|-------------------------|
-| HEADER_TABLE_SIZE          | 0x1  | {{settings-parameters}} |

It strikes me as bizarre that 0x1 is omitted from this table / or that QPACK - as an extension or subordinate document - gets to define the lowest numbered setting value.

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<p><b>@afrind</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1358#discussion_r190054059">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -777,18 +777,13 @@ Settings which are integers use the QUIC variable-length integer encoding.
 
 #### Defined SETTINGS Parameters {#settings-parameters}
 
-The following settings are defined in HTTP/QUIC:
-
-  SETTINGS_HEADER_TABLE_SIZE (0x1):
-  : An integer with a maximum value of 2^30 - 1.  The default value is 4,096
-    bytes.
+The following setting is defined in HTTP/QUIC:
 
   SETTINGS_MAX_HEADER_LIST_SIZE (0x6):
</pre>
<p>Does anything in this document explain what SETTINGS_MAX_HEADER_LIST_SIZE does?</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1358#discussion_r190054278">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
   SETTINGS_MAX_HEADER_LIST_SIZE (0x6):
   : An integer with a maximum value of 2^30 - 1.  The default value is
     unlimited.
 
-  SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS (0x7):
-  : An integer with a maximum value of 2^16 - 1.  The default value is 100.
+Additional settings MAY be defined by extensions to HTTP/QUIC.
</pre>
<p>Are we calling QPACK an extension to HTTP/QUIC?  Or it is for purposes of SETTINGS?</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1358#discussion_r190054878">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1418,13 +1413,11 @@ The entries in the following table are registered by this document.
 |----------------------------|------|-------------------------|
 | Setting Name               | Code | Specification           |
 |----------------------------|:----:|-------------------------|
-| HEADER_TABLE_SIZE          | 0x1  | {{settings-parameters}} |
</pre>
<p>It strikes me as bizarre that 0x1 is omitted from this table / or that QPACK - as an extension or subordinate document - gets to define the lowest numbered setting value.</p>

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>  
-HTTP/QUIC supports server push in a similar manner to {{!RFC7540}}, but uses
+###  Control Streams
+
+The control stream is indicated by a stream type of `0x43`.  Data on this stream
+consists of HTTP frames, as defined in {{frames}}.
+
+Each side MUST initiate a single control stream at the beginning of the
+connection and send its SETTINGS frame as the first frame on this stream.  Only
+one control stream per peer is permitted; receipt of a second stream which
+claims to be a control stream MUST be treated as a connection error of type
+HTTP_TOO_CONTROLLING.  If the control stream is closed at any point, this MUST

lol.  HTTP_CONTROL_FREAK

>  
-HTTP/QUIC supports server push in a similar manner to {{!RFC7540}}, but uses
+###  Control Streams
+
+The control stream is indicated by a stream type of `0x43`.  Data on this stream

Maybe add "(ASCII 'C')", etc - otherwise everyone is going to ask.

> @@ -179,18 +179,25 @@ x ...
 QPACK instructions occur in three locations, each of which uses a separate
 instruction space:
 
- - Table updates are carried by a unidirectional stream from encoder to decoder.
-   Instructions on this stream modify the dynamic table state without generating
-   output to any particular request.
- - Acknowledgements of table modifications and header processing are carried by
-   a unidirectional stream from decoder to encoder.
+ - The encoder stream is a unidirectional stream of type `0x48` which carries

H and D, not E and D?

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<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1359#discussion_r190055928">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-HTTP/QUIC supports server push in a similar manner to {{!RFC7540}}, but uses
+###  Control Streams
+
+The control stream is indicated by a stream type of `0x43`.  Data on this stream
+consists of HTTP frames, as defined in {{frames}}.
+
+Each side MUST initiate a single control stream at the beginning of the
+connection and send its SETTINGS frame as the first frame on this stream.  Only
+one control stream per peer is permitted; receipt of a second stream which
+claims to be a control stream MUST be treated as a connection error of type
+HTTP_TOO_CONTROLLING.  If the control stream is closed at any point, this MUST
</pre>
<p>lol.  HTTP_CONTROL_FREAK</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1359#discussion_r190057651">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-HTTP/QUIC supports server push in a similar manner to {{!RFC7540}}, but uses
+###  Control Streams
+
+The control stream is indicated by a stream type of `0x43`.  Data on this stream
</pre>
<p>Maybe add "(ASCII 'C')", etc - otherwise everyone is going to ask.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1359#discussion_r190058474">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -179,18 +179,25 @@ x ...
 QPACK instructions occur in three locations, each of which uses a separate
 instruction space:
 
- - Table updates are carried by a unidirectional stream from encoder to decoder.
-   Instructions on this stream modify the dynamic table state without generating
-   output to any particular request.
- - Acknowledgements of table modifications and header processing are carried by
-   a unidirectional stream from decoder to encoder.
+ - The encoder stream is a unidirectional stream of type `0x48` which carries
</pre>
<p>H and D, not E and D?</p>

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afrind approved this pull request.

I think as long as they are right next to each other they're grouped enough.



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<p><b>@afrind</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<p>I think as long as they are right next to each other they're grouped enough.</p>

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Or subhead one more level since the text is really subordinate to the preceding instruction?

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<p>Or subhead one more level since the text is really subordinate to the preceding instruction?</p>

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Ah gotcha (I know Martin couldn't be wrong, what was I thinking?).  I guess my argument is that since you can't know the length of the prefix before you encode, it's not worth trying.  Can you help me understand the advantage of doing so?  Or the complications caused by writing the whole prefix at the end?

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@martinthomson pushed 1 commit.

891e1a4  Remove duplicate


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  transport: add preferred_address to IANA registry


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  Merge pull request #1373 from alagoutte/transport_iana_preferred_address

transport: add preferred_address to IANA registry


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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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  Make Handshake packet use more explicit


  Commit: 92361c29e9ff8941e58db06aac084765eb9c67e5
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  Merge pull request #1368 from quicwg/handshake-usage

Make Handshake packet use more explicit


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  Add changelog entries for -12


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  qcram is the last one


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  Remove duplicate


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  Merge pull request #1360 from quicwg/changelog-12

Add changelog entries for -12


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MikeBishop commented on this pull request.



> +The static table consists of a predefined static list of header fields, each of
+which has a fixed index over time.  Its entries are defined in Appendix A of
+{{!RFC7541}}. Note that because HPACK did not use zero-based references, there
+is no value at index zero of the static table.
+
+## Dynamic Table {#table-dynamic}
+
+The dynamic table consists of a list of header fields maintained in first-in,
+first-out order.  The dynamic table is initially empty.  Entries are added by
+instructions on the Encoder Stream (see {{encoder-stream}}).
+
+Before a new entry is added to the dynamic table, entries are evicted from the
+end of the dynamic table until the size of the dynamic table is less than or
+equal to (maximum size - new entry size) or until the table is empty.
+
+If the size of the new entry is less than or equal to the maximum size, that

If you're doing this intentionally, that's a better approach and might be worth mentioning.  However, I think we need to define what happens in this situation regardless, and the HPACK precedent is *a* logical choice.

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<p><b>@MikeBishop</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1357#discussion_r190079257">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +The static table consists of a predefined static list of header fields, each of
+which has a fixed index over time.  Its entries are defined in Appendix A of
+{{!RFC7541}}. Note that because HPACK did not use zero-based references, there
+is no value at index zero of the static table.
+
+## Dynamic Table {#table-dynamic}
+
+The dynamic table consists of a list of header fields maintained in first-in,
+first-out order.  The dynamic table is initially empty.  Entries are added by
+instructions on the Encoder Stream (see {{encoder-stream}}).
+
+Before a new entry is added to the dynamic table, entries are evicted from the
+end of the dynamic table until the size of the dynamic table is less than or
+equal to (maximum size - new entry size) or until the table is empty.
+
+If the size of the new entry is less than or equal to the maximum size, that
</pre>
<p>If you're doing this intentionally, that's a better approach and might be worth mentioning.  However, I think we need to define what happens in this situation regardless, and the HPACK precedent is <em>a</em> logical choice.</p>

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@gloinul sent a few comments on the transport draft.

A. Section 6.2 says:

A server sends a Version
   Negotiation packet in response to each packet that might initiate a
   new connection, see Section 6.1 for details.

That is not what Section 6.1 says. It says that only if unsupported versions are received and length sufficient SHOULD the server send a version negotiation packet. I guess unknown version of the "version request pattern" is what it should say.

B. Section 6.4.1:

   initial_max_stream_data (0x0000):  <...> This is equivalent
      to an implicit MAX_STREAM_DATA frame (Section 7.7) being sent on
      all streams immediately after opening.

Shouldn't the word "implicit" be removed here?

C. Section 6.7.2

This token can be provided to the cryptographic handshake immediately
   after establishing a connection.

I become very uncertain about this sentence. Is it intended to say that the client provides the server after the connection has been established, which appears strange for a resumption case. Or is the intention to say that the server can provide the client with a resumption token for later use at any point after the current connection has been established?

In general this section is not clear on how the session resumption address validation differs from the client address validation. Does the resumption token arrive to the server as part of the Init TLS handshake? If that is the case, please be explicit.


D. Section 6.9.1

An endpoint uses a new connection ID for probes sent from a new local
   address, see Section 6.9.6 for further discussion.

I think this need to be clearer on that both source and destination may be changed, assuming either part not being zero length.

E. Section 6.9.6:

I find this whole section confusing. It fails to clarify in which order things needs to happen. I might be not understanding this correctly, but I don't see how a peer can migrate and chose a new connection ID unless the this endpoint has previously sent a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame to that peer. But, when one arrive at this text there is no explanation that this need to happen. Nor appear it specified that this should / must occur at any point in the connection's life time.

F. Section 6.10.2:

   The server SHOULD also initiate path validation of the client using
   its preferred address and the address from which it received the
   client probe.  This helps to guard against spurious migration
   initiated by an attacker.

Doesn't this text also needs considerations around the connection ID to use for those checks?

G. Section 7.15:

   For instance, a server acknowledges a TLS ClientHello in the packet
   that carries the TLS ServerHello; similarly, a client can acknowledge
   a TLS HelloRetryRequest in the packet containing a second TLS
   ClientHello.

This appear to be a contradiction to the earlier, do not acknowledge RETRY packets.

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<p><a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-user-id="11295323" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/gloinul">@gloinul</a> sent a few comments on the transport draft.</p>
<p>A. Section 6.2 says:</p>
<p>A server sends a Version<br>
Negotiation packet in response to each packet that might initiate a<br>
new connection, see Section 6.1 for details.</p>
<p>That is not what Section 6.1 says. It says that only if unsupported versions are received and length sufficient SHOULD the server send a version negotiation packet. I guess unknown version of the "version request pattern" is what it should say.</p>
<p>B. Section 6.4.1:</p>
<p>initial_max_stream_data (0x0000):  &lt;...&gt; This is equivalent<br>
to an implicit MAX_STREAM_DATA frame (Section 7.7) being sent on<br>
all streams immediately after opening.</p>
<p>Shouldn't the word "implicit" be removed here?</p>
<p>C. Section 6.7.2</p>
<p>This token can be provided to the cryptographic handshake immediately<br>
after establishing a connection.</p>
<p>I become very uncertain about this sentence. Is it intended to say that the client provides the server after the connection has been established, which appears strange for a resumption case. Or is the intention to say that the server can provide the client with a resumption token for later use at any point after the current connection has been established?</p>
<p>In general this section is not clear on how the session resumption address validation differs from the client address validation. Does the resumption token arrive to the server as part of the Init TLS handshake? If that is the case, please be explicit.</p>
<p>D. Section 6.9.1</p>
<p>An endpoint uses a new connection ID for probes sent from a new local<br>
address, see Section 6.9.6 for further discussion.</p>
<p>I think this need to be clearer on that both source and destination may be changed, assuming either part not being zero length.</p>
<p>E. Section 6.9.6:</p>
<p>I find this whole section confusing. It fails to clarify in which order things needs to happen. I might be not understanding this correctly, but I don't see how a peer can migrate and chose a new connection ID unless the this endpoint has previously sent a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame to that peer. But, when one arrive at this text there is no explanation that this need to happen. Nor appear it specified that this should / must occur at any point in the connection's life time.</p>
<p>F. Section 6.10.2:</p>
<p>The server SHOULD also initiate path validation of the client using<br>
its preferred address and the address from which it received the<br>
client probe.  This helps to guard against spurious migration<br>
initiated by an attacker.</p>
<p>Doesn't this text also needs considerations around the connection ID to use for those checks?</p>
<p>G. Section 7.15:</p>
<p>For instance, a server acknowledges a TLS ClientHello in the packet<br>
that carries the TLS ServerHello; similarly, a client can acknowledge<br>
a TLS HelloRetryRequest in the packet containing a second TLS<br>
ClientHello.</p>
<p>This appear to be a contradiction to the earlier, do not acknowledge RETRY packets.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/qpack_concepts
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This is going to be exploded by the stream 0 design team effort, so we'll close it now.

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<p>This is going to be exploded by the stream 0 design team effort, so we'll close it now.</p>

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Closed #1303.

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Obsoleted by the design team's proposal (all streams are application-owned) -- we'll leave the issue and adjust the wording when that work lands.

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> @@ -30,6 +30,20 @@ author:
     role: editor
 
 
+normative:
+
+  QUIC-HTTP:
+    title: "Hypertext Transfer Protocol (HTTP) over QUIC"
+    date: {DATE}
+    seriesinfo:
+      Internet-Draft: draft-ietf-quic-http-latest
+    author:
+      -
+          ins: M. Bishop
+          name: Mike Bishop
+          org: Akamai Technologies

Does it need the `role: editor` in the citation?

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<p><b>@MikeBishop</b> approved this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1375#discussion_r190082338">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -30,6 +30,20 @@ author:
     role: editor
 
 
+normative:
+
+  QUIC-HTTP:
+    title: &quot;Hypertext Transfer Protocol (HTTP) over QUIC&quot;
+    date: {DATE}
+    seriesinfo:
+      Internet-Draft: draft-ietf-quic-http-latest
+    author:
+      -
+          ins: M. Bishop
+          name: Mike Bishop
+          org: Akamai Technologies
</pre>
<p>Does it need the <code>role: editor</code> in the citation?</p>

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MikeBishop commented on this pull request.



> @@ -179,18 +179,25 @@ x ...
 QPACK instructions occur in three locations, each of which uses a separate
 instruction space:
 
- - Table updates are carried by a unidirectional stream from encoder to decoder.
-   Instructions on this stream modify the dynamic table state without generating
-   output to any particular request.
- - Acknowledgements of table modifications and header processing are carried by
-   a unidirectional stream from decoder to encoder.
+ - The encoder stream is a unidirectional stream of type `0x48` which carries

H and h, actually, for header compression.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1359#discussion_r190085323">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -179,18 +179,25 @@ x ...
 QPACK instructions occur in three locations, each of which uses a separate
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- - Table updates are carried by a unidirectional stream from encoder to decoder.
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- - Acknowledgements of table modifications and header processing are carried by
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  Changed paths:
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MikeBishop commented on this pull request.



> @@ -452,12 +488,8 @@ certain parts of the response is important (see Section 8.2.1 of {{!RFC7540}}).
 
 Unlike HTTP/2, the PUSH_PROMISE does not reference a stream; it contains a Push
 ID. The Push ID uniquely identifies a server push. This allows a server to
-fulfill promises in the order that best suits its needs.
-
-When a server later fulfills a promise, the server push response is conveyed on
-a push stream.  A push stream is a server-initiated, unidirectional stream.  A
-push stream identifies the Push ID of the promise that it fulfills, encoded as a
-variable-length integer.
+fulfill promises in the order that best suits its needs.  When a server later
+fulfills a promise, the server push response is conveyed on a push stream.

It now is, GitHub just doesn't see the diff that way.

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<p><b>@MikeBishop</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1359#discussion_r190085602">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -452,12 +488,8 @@ certain parts of the response is important (see Section 8.2.1 of {{!RFC7540}}).
 
 Unlike HTTP/2, the PUSH_PROMISE does not reference a stream; it contains a Push
 ID. The Push ID uniquely identifies a server push. This allows a server to
-fulfill promises in the order that best suits its needs.
-
-When a server later fulfills a promise, the server push response is conveyed on
-a push stream.  A push stream is a server-initiated, unidirectional stream.  A
-push stream identifies the Push ID of the promise that it fulfills, encoded as a
-variable-length integer.
+fulfill promises in the order that best suits its needs.  When a server later
+fulfills a promise, the server push response is conveyed on a push stream.
</pre>
<p>It now is, GitHub just doesn't see the diff that way.</p>

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janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

Looks great! Just a few comments.

> @@ -2070,91 +2069,107 @@ following layout:
 This design ensures that a stateless reset packet is - to the extent possible -
 indistinguishable from a regular packet with a short header.
 
-A server generates a random 18-octet Destination Connection ID field.  For a
-client that depends on the server including a connection ID, this will mean that
-this value differs from previous packets.  Ths results in two problems:
+The message consists of a header octet, followed by random octets of arbitrary
+length, followed by a Stateless Reset Token.
+
+The endpoint SHOULD send a packet with a short header.

This seems like a strange SHOULD. The Stateless Reset packet is defined here with a short header. How can this be a long header?

> @@ -2070,91 +2069,107 @@ following layout:
 This design ensures that a stateless reset packet is - to the extent possible -
 indistinguishable from a regular packet with a short header.
 
-A server generates a random 18-octet Destination Connection ID field.  For a
-client that depends on the server including a connection ID, this will mean that
-this value differs from previous packets.  Ths results in two problems:
+The message consists of a header octet, followed by random octets of arbitrary
+length, followed by a Stateless Reset Token.
+
+The endpoint SHOULD send a packet with a short header.
+
+Assuming a short header, the Random Octets field needs to include at least 20

If the above comment holds, remove "Assuming a short header"

>  
-* The packet might not reach the client.  If the Destination Connection ID is
-  critical for routing toward the client, then this packet could be incorrectly
+An endpoint SHOULD NOT send a stateless reset that is significantly larger than
+the packet it receives.  Endpoints MUST discard packets that are too small to be
+valid QUIC packets.  With the set of AEAD functions defined in {{QUIC-TLS}},
+packets less than 19 octets long are never valid.
+
+An endpoint cannot determine the Source Connection ID from a packet with a short
+header, therefore it cannot set the Destination Connection ID in the stateless
+reset packet.  The destination connection ID will therefore differ from the
+value used in previous packets.  A random Destination Connection ID makes the
+connection ID appear to be the result of moving to new connection ID that was

"moving to new connection ID" -> "moving to a new connection ID"

>  
-* The packet might not reach the client.  If the Destination Connection ID is
-  critical for routing toward the client, then this packet could be incorrectly
+An endpoint SHOULD NOT send a stateless reset that is significantly larger than
+the packet it receives.  Endpoints MUST discard packets that are too small to be
+valid QUIC packets.  With the set of AEAD functions defined in {{QUIC-TLS}},
+packets less than 19 octets long are never valid.
+
+An endpoint cannot determine the Source Connection ID from a packet with a short
+header, therefore it cannot set the Destination Connection ID in the stateless
+reset packet.  The destination connection ID will therefore differ from the
+value used in previous packets.  A random Destination Connection ID makes the
+connection ID appear to be the result of moving to new connection ID that was
+provided using the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame ({{frame-new-connection-id}}).

s/the/a/

>  (or might have supported prior to losing state).  Designers of new versions of
 QUIC need to be aware of this and either reuse this design, or use a portion of
 the packet other than the last 16 octets for carrying data.
 
 
 #### Detecting a Stateless Reset
 
-A client detects a potential stateless reset when a packet with a short header
-either cannot be decrypted or is marked as a duplicate packet.  The client then
-compares the last 16 octets of the packet with the Stateless Reset Token
-provided by the server in its transport parameters.  If these values are
-identical, the client MUST enter the draining period and not send any further
-packets on this connection.  If the comparison fails, the packet can be
-discarded.
+An endpoint detects a potential stateless reset when a packet with a short
+header either cannot be decrypted or is marked as a duplicate packet.  The
+endpoint then compares the last 16 octets of the packet with the Stateless Reset
+Token provided by its peer, either from the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame or the

s/from/in/
s/the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame/a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame/
s/server/server's/

>  
 A single static key can be used across all connections to the same endpoint by
 generating the proof using a second iteration of a preimage-resistant function
-that takes three inputs: the static key, the server's connection ID (see
-{{connection-id}}), and an identifier for the server instance.  A server could
-use HMAC {{?RFC2104}} (for example, HMAC(static_key, server_id ||
+that takes three inputs: the static key, the connection ID chosen by the
+endpoint (see {{connection-id}}), and an instance identifier.  An endpoint could
+use HMAC {{?RFC2104}} (for example, HMAC(static_key, instance_id ||

IIUC, incorporating an instance_id doesn't work for connections that are diverted to a new instance, which is a common case, possibly even the most common case. Server restarts are unlikely to be a common use case, since usually servers are drained before restarting, and server crashes are not frequent. Short-term routing flaps however are common.  I think the text should say that for Stateless Reset to work across instances, the HMAC could exclude the instance_id. (Correct me if my understanding is wrong.)

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<p><b>@janaiyengar</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<p>Looks great! Just a few comments.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1346#discussion_r190094552">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -2070,91 +2069,107 @@ following layout:
 This design ensures that a stateless reset packet is - to the extent possible -
 indistinguishable from a regular packet with a short header.
 
-A server generates a random 18-octet Destination Connection ID field.  For a
-client that depends on the server including a connection ID, this will mean that
-this value differs from previous packets.  Ths results in two problems:
+The message consists of a header octet, followed by random octets of arbitrary
+length, followed by a Stateless Reset Token.
+
+The endpoint SHOULD send a packet with a short header.
</pre>
<p>This seems like a strange SHOULD. The Stateless Reset packet is defined here with a short header. How can this be a long header?</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1346#discussion_r190094595">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -2070,91 +2069,107 @@ following layout:
 This design ensures that a stateless reset packet is - to the extent possible -
 indistinguishable from a regular packet with a short header.
 
-A server generates a random 18-octet Destination Connection ID field.  For a
-client that depends on the server including a connection ID, this will mean that
-this value differs from previous packets.  Ths results in two problems:
+The message consists of a header octet, followed by random octets of arbitrary
+length, followed by a Stateless Reset Token.
+
+The endpoint SHOULD send a packet with a short header.
+
+Assuming a short header, the Random Octets field needs to include at least 20
</pre>
<p>If the above comment holds, remove "Assuming a short header"</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1346#discussion_r190095063">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-* The packet might not reach the client.  If the Destination Connection ID is
-  critical for routing toward the client, then this packet could be incorrectly
+An endpoint SHOULD NOT send a stateless reset that is significantly larger than
+the packet it receives.  Endpoints MUST discard packets that are too small to be
+valid QUIC packets.  With the set of AEAD functions defined in {{QUIC-TLS}},
+packets less than 19 octets long are never valid.
+
+An endpoint cannot determine the Source Connection ID from a packet with a short
+header, therefore it cannot set the Destination Connection ID in the stateless
+reset packet.  The destination connection ID will therefore differ from the
+value used in previous packets.  A random Destination Connection ID makes the
+connection ID appear to be the result of moving to new connection ID that was
</pre>
<p>"moving to new connection ID" -&gt; "moving to a new connection ID"</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1346#discussion_r190095121">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-* The packet might not reach the client.  If the Destination Connection ID is
-  critical for routing toward the client, then this packet could be incorrectly
+An endpoint SHOULD NOT send a stateless reset that is significantly larger than
+the packet it receives.  Endpoints MUST discard packets that are too small to be
+valid QUIC packets.  With the set of AEAD functions defined in {{QUIC-TLS}},
+packets less than 19 octets long are never valid.
+
+An endpoint cannot determine the Source Connection ID from a packet with a short
+header, therefore it cannot set the Destination Connection ID in the stateless
+reset packet.  The destination connection ID will therefore differ from the
+value used in previous packets.  A random Destination Connection ID makes the
+connection ID appear to be the result of moving to new connection ID that was
+provided using the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame ({{frame-new-connection-id}}).
</pre>
<p>s/the/a/</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1346#discussion_r190095526">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  (or might have supported prior to losing state).  Designers of new versions of
 QUIC need to be aware of this and either reuse this design, or use a portion of
 the packet other than the last 16 octets for carrying data.
 
 
 #### Detecting a Stateless Reset
 
-A client detects a potential stateless reset when a packet with a short header
-either cannot be decrypted or is marked as a duplicate packet.  The client then
-compares the last 16 octets of the packet with the Stateless Reset Token
-provided by the server in its transport parameters.  If these values are
-identical, the client MUST enter the draining period and not send any further
-packets on this connection.  If the comparison fails, the packet can be
-discarded.
+An endpoint detects a potential stateless reset when a packet with a short
+header either cannot be decrypted or is marked as a duplicate packet.  The
+endpoint then compares the last 16 octets of the packet with the Stateless Reset
+Token provided by its peer, either from the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame or the
</pre>
<p>s/from/in/<br>
s/the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame/a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame/<br>
s/server/server's/</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1346#discussion_r190096888">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
 A single static key can be used across all connections to the same endpoint by
 generating the proof using a second iteration of a preimage-resistant function
-that takes three inputs: the static key, the server&#39;s connection ID (see
-{{connection-id}}), and an identifier for the server instance.  A server could
-use HMAC {{?RFC2104}} (for example, HMAC(static_key, server_id ||
+that takes three inputs: the static key, the connection ID chosen by the
+endpoint (see {{connection-id}}), and an instance identifier.  An endpoint could
+use HMAC {{?RFC2104}} (for example, HMAC(static_key, instance_id ||
</pre>
<p>IIUC, incorporating an instance_id doesn't work for connections that are diverted to a new instance, which is a common case, possibly even the most common case. Server restarts are unlikely to be a common use case, since usually servers are drained before restarting, and server crashes are not frequent. Short-term routing flaps however are common.  I think the text should say that for Stateless Reset to work across instances, the HMAC could exclude the instance_id. (Correct me if my understanding is wrong.)</p>

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janaiyengar commented on this pull request.



> @@ -4017,6 +4017,55 @@ transport to cancel a stream in response to receipt of a STOP_SENDING frame.
 
 # Security Considerations
 
+## Handshake Denial of Service
+
+As an encrypted and authenticated transport QUIC provides a range of protections
+against denial of service.  Once the cryptographic handshake is complete, QUIC
+endpoints discard packets that are not authenticated, greatly limiting the

how about "most packets", since there clearly are unauthenticated packets that are accepted.

> +endpoints discard packets that are not authenticated, greatly limiting the
+ability of an attacker to interfere with existing connections.
+
+Once a connection is established QUIC endpoints might accept some
+unauthenticated ICMP packets (see {{v4-pmtud}}), but the use of these packets is
+extremely limited.  The only other type of packet that an endpoint might accept
+is a stateless reset ({{stateless-reset}}) which relies on the token being kept
+secret until it is used.
+
+During the creation of a connection, QUIC only provides protection against
+attack from off the network path.  All QUIC packets contain proof that the
+recipient saw a preceding packet from its peer.
+
+The first mechanism used is the source and destination connection IDs, which are
+required to match those set by a peer.  Except for an Initial packet and
+stateless reset, an endpoint only accepts packets that include a destination

"Except for Initial and Stateless Reset packets"

> +secret until it is used.
+
+During the creation of a connection, QUIC only provides protection against
+attack from off the network path.  All QUIC packets contain proof that the
+recipient saw a preceding packet from its peer.
+
+The first mechanism used is the source and destination connection IDs, which are
+required to match those set by a peer.  Except for an Initial packet and
+stateless reset, an endpoint only accepts packets that include a destination
+connection that matches a connection ID the endpoint previously chose.  This is
+the only protection offered for Version Negotiation packets.
+
+The destination connection ID in an Initial packet is selected by a client to be
+unpredictable, which serves an additional purpose.  The packets that carry the
+cryptographic handshake are protected with a key that is derived from the
+connection ID and salt specific to the QUIC version.  This allows endpoints to

s/the connection ID/this connection ID/

> +recipient saw a preceding packet from its peer.
+
+The first mechanism used is the source and destination connection IDs, which are
+required to match those set by a peer.  Except for an Initial packet and
+stateless reset, an endpoint only accepts packets that include a destination
+connection that matches a connection ID the endpoint previously chose.  This is
+the only protection offered for Version Negotiation packets.
+
+The destination connection ID in an Initial packet is selected by a client to be
+unpredictable, which serves an additional purpose.  The packets that carry the
+cryptographic handshake are protected with a key that is derived from the
+connection ID and salt specific to the QUIC version.  This allows endpoints to
+use the same process for authenticating packets that they receive as they use
+after the cryptographic handshake completes.  Packets that cannot be
+authenticated are discarded.  Protecting packets in this fashion provides a
+strong assurance that the sender of the packet saw previous packets and

s/saw previous packets and understood them/saw the Initial packet and understood it/

> +the only protection offered for Version Negotiation packets.
+
+The destination connection ID in an Initial packet is selected by a client to be
+unpredictable, which serves an additional purpose.  The packets that carry the
+cryptographic handshake are protected with a key that is derived from the
+connection ID and salt specific to the QUIC version.  This allows endpoints to
+use the same process for authenticating packets that they receive as they use
+after the cryptographic handshake completes.  Packets that cannot be
+authenticated are discarded.  Protecting packets in this fashion provides a
+strong assurance that the sender of the packet saw previous packets and
+understood them.
+
+These protections are not intended to be effective against an attacker that is
+able to receive QUIC packets.  Such an attacker can potentially send packets
+that will be accepted by QUIC clients or servers.  This version of QUIC only
+attempts to detect this sort of attack.  Interference with the handshake is

s/only attempts to detect/attempts to only detect/

> +authenticated are discarded.  Protecting packets in this fashion provides a
+strong assurance that the sender of the packet saw previous packets and
+understood them.
+
+These protections are not intended to be effective against an attacker that is
+able to receive QUIC packets.  Such an attacker can potentially send packets
+that will be accepted by QUIC clients or servers.  This version of QUIC only
+attempts to detect this sort of attack.  Interference with the handshake is
+detected when the cryptographic handshake fails.  For the most part, this is a
+property that the cryptographic handshake protocol {{QUIC-TLS}} is required to
+provide, though additional validation is required for version negotiation (see
+{{version-validation}}).
+
+Endpoints are permitted to use other methods to detect and attempt to recover
+from interference with the handshake.  For instance, if invalid packets can be
+identified then they can be discarded.  This can be complex or difficult and so

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<p><b>@janaiyengar</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1347#discussion_r190097480">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -4017,6 +4017,55 @@ transport to cancel a stream in response to receipt of a STOP_SENDING frame.
 
 # Security Considerations
 
+## Handshake Denial of Service
+
+As an encrypted and authenticated transport QUIC provides a range of protections
+against denial of service.  Once the cryptographic handshake is complete, QUIC
+endpoints discard packets that are not authenticated, greatly limiting the
</pre>
<p>how about "most packets", since there clearly are unauthenticated packets that are accepted.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1347#discussion_r190097817">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +endpoints discard packets that are not authenticated, greatly limiting the
+ability of an attacker to interfere with existing connections.
+
+Once a connection is established QUIC endpoints might accept some
+unauthenticated ICMP packets (see {{v4-pmtud}}), but the use of these packets is
+extremely limited.  The only other type of packet that an endpoint might accept
+is a stateless reset ({{stateless-reset}}) which relies on the token being kept
+secret until it is used.
+
+During the creation of a connection, QUIC only provides protection against
+attack from off the network path.  All QUIC packets contain proof that the
+recipient saw a preceding packet from its peer.
+
+The first mechanism used is the source and destination connection IDs, which are
+required to match those set by a peer.  Except for an Initial packet and
+stateless reset, an endpoint only accepts packets that include a destination
</pre>
<p>"Except for Initial and Stateless Reset packets"</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1347#discussion_r190098044">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +secret until it is used.
+
+During the creation of a connection, QUIC only provides protection against
+attack from off the network path.  All QUIC packets contain proof that the
+recipient saw a preceding packet from its peer.
+
+The first mechanism used is the source and destination connection IDs, which are
+required to match those set by a peer.  Except for an Initial packet and
+stateless reset, an endpoint only accepts packets that include a destination
+connection that matches a connection ID the endpoint previously chose.  This is
+the only protection offered for Version Negotiation packets.
+
+The destination connection ID in an Initial packet is selected by a client to be
+unpredictable, which serves an additional purpose.  The packets that carry the
+cryptographic handshake are protected with a key that is derived from the
+connection ID and salt specific to the QUIC version.  This allows endpoints to
</pre>
<p>s/the connection ID/this connection ID/</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1347#discussion_r190098253">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +recipient saw a preceding packet from its peer.
+
+The first mechanism used is the source and destination connection IDs, which are
+required to match those set by a peer.  Except for an Initial packet and
+stateless reset, an endpoint only accepts packets that include a destination
+connection that matches a connection ID the endpoint previously chose.  This is
+the only protection offered for Version Negotiation packets.
+
+The destination connection ID in an Initial packet is selected by a client to be
+unpredictable, which serves an additional purpose.  The packets that carry the
+cryptographic handshake are protected with a key that is derived from the
+connection ID and salt specific to the QUIC version.  This allows endpoints to
+use the same process for authenticating packets that they receive as they use
+after the cryptographic handshake completes.  Packets that cannot be
+authenticated are discarded.  Protecting packets in this fashion provides a
+strong assurance that the sender of the packet saw previous packets and
</pre>
<p>s/saw previous packets and understood them/saw the Initial packet and understood it/</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1347#discussion_r190098680">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +the only protection offered for Version Negotiation packets.
+
+The destination connection ID in an Initial packet is selected by a client to be
+unpredictable, which serves an additional purpose.  The packets that carry the
+cryptographic handshake are protected with a key that is derived from the
+connection ID and salt specific to the QUIC version.  This allows endpoints to
+use the same process for authenticating packets that they receive as they use
+after the cryptographic handshake completes.  Packets that cannot be
+authenticated are discarded.  Protecting packets in this fashion provides a
+strong assurance that the sender of the packet saw previous packets and
+understood them.
+
+These protections are not intended to be effective against an attacker that is
+able to receive QUIC packets.  Such an attacker can potentially send packets
+that will be accepted by QUIC clients or servers.  This version of QUIC only
+attempts to detect this sort of attack.  Interference with the handshake is
</pre>
<p>s/only attempts to detect/attempts to only detect/</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1347#discussion_r190099242">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +authenticated are discarded.  Protecting packets in this fashion provides a
+strong assurance that the sender of the packet saw previous packets and
+understood them.
+
+These protections are not intended to be effective against an attacker that is
+able to receive QUIC packets.  Such an attacker can potentially send packets
+that will be accepted by QUIC clients or servers.  This version of QUIC only
+attempts to detect this sort of attack.  Interference with the handshake is
+detected when the cryptographic handshake fails.  For the most part, this is a
+property that the cryptographic handshake protocol {{QUIC-TLS}} is required to
+provide, though additional validation is required for version negotiation (see
+{{version-validation}}).
+
+Endpoints are permitted to use other methods to detect and attempt to recover
+from interference with the handshake.  For instance, if invalid packets can be
+identified then they can be discarded.  This can be complex or difficult and so
</pre>
<p>Suggested replacement for the last two sentences: "Invalid packets may be identified and discarded using other methods, but no specific method is mandated in this document."</p>

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This is the output of the Stream 0 Design Team.

A high-level description and rationale for the proposal can be found at:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fRsJqPinJl8N3b-bflDRV6auojfJLkxddT93j6SwHY8/edit?ts=5b04c125
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1377

-- Commit Summary --

  * Output of Stream 0 Design Team.
  * Fix changelog

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (203)
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (1432)
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (711)

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<p>This is the output of the Stream 0 Design Team.</p>
<p>A high-level description and rationale for the proposal can be found at:<br>
<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fRsJqPinJl8N3b-bflDRV6auojfJLkxddT93j6SwHY8/edit?ts=5b04c125" rel="nofollow">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fRsJqPinJl8N3b-bflDRV6auojfJLkxddT93j6SwHY8/edit?ts=5b04c125</a></p>

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<h4>You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:</h4>
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href='https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1377'>https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1377</a></p>

<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
<ul>
  <li>Output of Stream 0 Design Team.</li>
  <li>Fix changelog</li>
</ul>

<h4>File Changes</h4>
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  <li>
    <strong>M</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1377/files#diff-0">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>
    (203)
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    <strong>M</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1377/files#diff-1">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>
    (1432)
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    <strong>M</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1377/files#diff-2">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>
    (711)
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<h4>Patch Links:</h4>
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  <li><a href='https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1377.patch'>https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1377.patch</a></li>
  <li><a href='https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1377.diff'>https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1377.diff</a></li>
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mikkelfj commented on this pull request.



> @@ -130,15 +145,15 @@ number for transmissions, and any data that is to be delivered to the receiving
 application(s) is sent in one or more streams, with delivery order determined
 by stream offsets encoded within STREAM frames.
 
-QUIC's packet number is strictly increasing, and directly encodes transmission
-order.  A higher QUIC packet number signifies that the packet was sent later,
-and a lower QUIC packet number signifies that the packet was sent earlier.  When
-a packet containing frames is deemed lost, QUIC rebundles necessary frames in a
-new packet with a new packet number, removing ambiguity about which packet is
-acknowledged when an ACK is received.  Consequently, more accurate RTT
-measurements can be made, spurious retransmissions are trivially detected, and
-mechanisms such as Fast Retransmit can be applied universally, based only on
-packet number.
+QUIC's packet number is strictly increasing within a packet number space,
+and directly encodes transmission order.  A higher QUIC packet number signifies
+that the packet was sent later, and a lower QUIC packet number signifies that
+the packet was sent earlier.  When a packet containing frames is deemed lost,
+QUIC rebundles necessary frames in a new packet with a new packet number,
+removing ambiguity about which packet is acknowledged when an ACK is received.

This appears as if frames are copied into new packets, but it is content or latest status that is sent upon loss detection.

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<p><b>@mikkelfj</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1377#discussion_r190104537">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -130,15 +145,15 @@ number for transmissions, and any data that is to be delivered to the receiving
 application(s) is sent in one or more streams, with delivery order determined
 by stream offsets encoded within STREAM frames.
 
-QUIC&#39;s packet number is strictly increasing, and directly encodes transmission
-order.  A higher QUIC packet number signifies that the packet was sent later,
-and a lower QUIC packet number signifies that the packet was sent earlier.  When
-a packet containing frames is deemed lost, QUIC rebundles necessary frames in a
-new packet with a new packet number, removing ambiguity about which packet is
-acknowledged when an ACK is received.  Consequently, more accurate RTT
-measurements can be made, spurious retransmissions are trivially detected, and
-mechanisms such as Fast Retransmit can be applied universally, based only on
-packet number.
+QUIC&#39;s packet number is strictly increasing within a packet number space,
+and directly encodes transmission order.  A higher QUIC packet number signifies
+that the packet was sent later, and a lower QUIC packet number signifies that
+the packet was sent earlier.  When a packet containing frames is deemed lost,
+QUIC rebundles necessary frames in a new packet with a new packet number,
+removing ambiguity about which packet is acknowledged when an ACK is received.
</pre>
<p>This appears as if frames are copied into new packets, but it is content or latest status that is sent upon loss detection.</p>

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1a30fc6  Fix whitespace


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  Branch: refs/heads/stream0
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: b458f4efb28b41566e3e8bd196fa0f7e275c6e40
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  Date:   2018-05-22 (Tue, 22 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
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    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md
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  Output of Stream 0 Design Team.

See:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fRsJqPinJl8N3b-bflDRV6auojfJLkxddT93j6SwHY8/edit
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  Commit: 9ffd3f1ad47f271685f83a9ca831d321eb1373dd
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  Log Message:
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  Fix changelog


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  Date:   2018-05-22 (Tue, 22 May 2018)

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  Fix whitespace


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c0d3cbc  Offset and length fields in CRYPTO_HS are not optional


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  Branch: refs/heads/backticks
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  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-05-23 (Wed, 23 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
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Unless you read the HTML, this doesn't appear to be a problem.
You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1379

-- Commit Summary --

  * Use tilde instead of backticks, again

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (8)

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<p>Unless you read the HTML, this doesn't appear to be a problem.</p>

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<h4>You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:</h4>
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  <li>Use tilde instead of backticks, again</li>
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The stream 0 design team produced a file with smart quotes, which builds fine on most systems, but not all.  That was valid UTF-8, which is a common default.  However, it turns out that the CI system was configured with a different default encoding.  I read the docs, and it seems like it might be a good idea to be more explicit about the things we care about: text mode, "universal" line endings, and UTF-8.
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<p>The stream 0 design team produced a file with smart quotes, which builds fine on most systems, but not all.  That was valid UTF-8, which is a common default.  However, it turns out that the CI system was configured with a different default encoding.  I read the docs, and it seems like it might be a good idea to be more explicit about the things we care about: text mode, "universal" line endings, and UTF-8.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/lint-utf8
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 9a47065ed432a7ce1ae704f9934c9248a1f921c8
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9a47065ed432a7ce1ae704f9934c9248a1f921c8
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
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@martinthomson pushed 1 commit.

9a47065  And this is what you get when you run things as well


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  Disable gh-pages build when building tags


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  Merge pull request #1374 from quicwg/disable-gh-pages-tag

Disable gh-pages build when building tags


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martinthomson commented on this pull request.



>  
 A single static key can be used across all connections to the same endpoint by
 generating the proof using a second iteration of a preimage-resistant function
-that takes three inputs: the static key, the server's connection ID (see
-{{connection-id}}), and an identifier for the server instance.  A server could
-use HMAC {{?RFC2104}} (for example, HMAC(static_key, server_id ||
+that takes three inputs: the static key, the connection ID chosen by the
+endpoint (see {{connection-id}}), and an instance identifier.  An endpoint could
+use HMAC {{?RFC2104}} (for example, HMAC(static_key, instance_id ||

I've addressed that below.  But I've expanded on it a little in my latest changes.  The trick here is that you can recover the instance ID using the connection ID.  I will follow up with a change that includes the fixes we discussed.  Part of that change involves removing the instance ID from this.

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1346#discussion_r190141169">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
 A single static key can be used across all connections to the same endpoint by
 generating the proof using a second iteration of a preimage-resistant function
-that takes three inputs: the static key, the server&#39;s connection ID (see
-{{connection-id}}), and an identifier for the server instance.  A server could
-use HMAC {{?RFC2104}} (for example, HMAC(static_key, server_id ||
+that takes three inputs: the static key, the connection ID chosen by the
+endpoint (see {{connection-id}}), and an instance identifier.  An endpoint could
+use HMAC {{?RFC2104}} (for example, HMAC(static_key, instance_id ||
</pre>
<p>I've addressed that below.  But I've expanded on it a little in my latest changes.  The trick here is that you can recover the instance ID using the connection ID.  I will follow up with a change that includes the fixes we discussed.  Part of that change involves removing the instance ID from this.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/stateless-reset-fixes
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Acknowledgements should be last and unnumbered.

Change Log appendix should be numbered. Unnumbered sections need to be last, thus Acks need to be after Change Log.

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<p>Acknowledgements should be last and unnumbered.</p>
<p>Change Log appendix should be numbered. Unnumbered sections need to be last, thus Acks need to be after Change Log.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/bad-packets
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martinthomson commented on this pull request.

Thanks for the review.  I would like another for the new text about the handshake.  I took your suggestions verbatim otherwise.

> @@ -4017,6 +4017,55 @@ transport to cancel a stream in response to receipt of a STOP_SENDING frame.
 
 # Security Considerations
 
+## Handshake Denial of Service
+
+As an encrypted and authenticated transport QUIC provides a range of protections
+against denial of service.  Once the cryptographic handshake is complete, QUIC
+endpoints discard packets that are not authenticated, greatly limiting the

Sure.  I was hoping that we could ultimately authenticate even those packets that don't have packet protection in some way.  For instance, by ensuring that the ICMP unreachable includes bytes from a packet we sent.  But maybe that's stretching the definition too far.

> +the only protection offered for Version Negotiation packets.
+
+The destination connection ID in an Initial packet is selected by a client to be
+unpredictable, which serves an additional purpose.  The packets that carry the
+cryptographic handshake are protected with a key that is derived from the
+connection ID and salt specific to the QUIC version.  This allows endpoints to
+use the same process for authenticating packets that they receive as they use
+after the cryptographic handshake completes.  Packets that cannot be
+authenticated are discarded.  Protecting packets in this fashion provides a
+strong assurance that the sender of the packet saw previous packets and
+understood them.
+
+These protections are not intended to be effective against an attacker that is
+able to receive QUIC packets.  Such an attacker can potentially send packets
+that will be accepted by QUIC clients or servers.  This version of QUIC only
+attempts to detect this sort of attack.  Interference with the handshake is

I've reworded this to be a little clearer (I hope).  I think that it is important to say that we don't expect endpoints to do anything other than fail when an attacker tampers with the handshake.  I realize that the lead-in to this paragraph didn't scope that properly though.  Have another look.

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<p>Thanks for the review.  I would like another for the new text about the handshake.  I took your suggestions verbatim otherwise.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1347#discussion_r190141667">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -4017,6 +4017,55 @@ transport to cancel a stream in response to receipt of a STOP_SENDING frame.
 
 # Security Considerations
 
+## Handshake Denial of Service
+
+As an encrypted and authenticated transport QUIC provides a range of protections
+against denial of service.  Once the cryptographic handshake is complete, QUIC
+endpoints discard packets that are not authenticated, greatly limiting the
</pre>
<p>Sure.  I was hoping that we could ultimately authenticate even those packets that don't have packet protection in some way.  For instance, by ensuring that the ICMP unreachable includes bytes from a packet we sent.  But maybe that's stretching the definition too far.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1347#discussion_r190143335">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +the only protection offered for Version Negotiation packets.
+
+The destination connection ID in an Initial packet is selected by a client to be
+unpredictable, which serves an additional purpose.  The packets that carry the
+cryptographic handshake are protected with a key that is derived from the
+connection ID and salt specific to the QUIC version.  This allows endpoints to
+use the same process for authenticating packets that they receive as they use
+after the cryptographic handshake completes.  Packets that cannot be
+authenticated are discarded.  Protecting packets in this fashion provides a
+strong assurance that the sender of the packet saw previous packets and
+understood them.
+
+These protections are not intended to be effective against an attacker that is
+able to receive QUIC packets.  Such an attacker can potentially send packets
+that will be accepted by QUIC clients or servers.  This version of QUIC only
+attempts to detect this sort of attack.  Interference with the handshake is
</pre>
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      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/27da318a07d3cc4d34b99d2b80f3176e3a23aba4
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-05-23 (Wed, 23 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
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mikkelfj commented on this pull request.



> +
+When an endpoint receives a packet containing a CRYPTO_HS frame from
+the network, it proceeds as follows:
+
+- If the packet was in the current receiving encryption level, sequence
+  the data into the input flow as usual. As with STREAM frames,
+  the offset is used to find the proper location in the data sequence.
+  If the result of this process is that new data is available, then
+  it is delivered to TLS.
+
+- If the packet is from a previously installed encryption level, it
+  MUST not contain data which extends past the end of previously
+  received data in that flow. [TODO(ekr): Double check that this
+  can't happen]. Implementations MUST treat any violations of this
+  requirement as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.
+

Please clarify if this is at UDP datagram level or QUIC packet level since datagrams can contain multiple QUIC packets.

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<p><b>@mikkelfj</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1377#discussion_r190151202">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +
+When an endpoint receives a packet containing a CRYPTO_HS frame from
+the network, it proceeds as follows:
+
+- If the packet was in the current receiving encryption level, sequence
+  the data into the input flow as usual. As with STREAM frames,
+  the offset is used to find the proper location in the data sequence.
+  If the result of this process is that new data is available, then
+  it is delivered to TLS.
+
+- If the packet is from a previously installed encryption level, it
+  MUST not contain data which extends past the end of previously
+  received data in that flow. [TODO(ekr): Double check that this
+  can&#39;t happen]. Implementations MUST treat any violations of this
+  requirement as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.
+
</pre>
<p>Please clarify if this is at UDP datagram level or QUIC packet level since datagrams can contain multiple QUIC packets.</p>

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mikkelfj commented on this pull request.



>  
-The payload of an Initial packet conveys a STREAM frame (or frames) for stream
-0 containing a cryptographic handshake message.  The stream in this packet
-always starts at an offset of 0 (see {{stateless-retry}}) and the complete
-cryptographic handshake message MUST fit in a single packet (see {{handshake}}).
+The first Initial packet contains a packet number of 0. Each packet sent after
+the Initial packet is associated with a packet number space and its packet
+number increases monotonically in that space (see {{packet-numbers}}).
+

It appears as if the initial packet is not part of a number space so a second packet could start from 0 or a random base and increment from there.

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<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1377#discussion_r190156145">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-The payload of an Initial packet conveys a STREAM frame (or frames) for stream
-0 containing a cryptographic handshake message.  The stream in this packet
-always starts at an offset of 0 (see {{stateless-retry}}) and the complete
-cryptographic handshake message MUST fit in a single packet (see {{handshake}}).
+The first Initial packet contains a packet number of 0. Each packet sent after
+the Initial packet is associated with a packet number space and its packet
+number increases monotonically in that space (see {{packet-numbers}}).
+
</pre>
<p>It appears as if the initial packet is not part of a number space so a second packet could start from 0 or a random base and increment from there.</p>

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@ekr pushed 2 commits.

66350c8  Remove smart quotes
c38e7ee  Merge pull request #30 from quicwg/stream0


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<p><a href="https://github.com/ekr" class="user-mention">@ekr</a> pushed 2 commits.</p>

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kazuho commented on this pull request.



> +been delivered to QUIC, it is QUIC's responsibility to deliver it
+reliably. Each chunk of data is associated with the then-current TLS
+sending keys, and if QUIC needs to retransmit that data, it MUST use
+the same keys even if TLS has already updated to newer keys.
+
+One important difference between TLS 1.3 records (used with TCP)
+and QUIC CRYPTO_HS frames is that in QUIC multiple frames may appear
+in the same QUIC packet as long as they are associated with the
+same encryption level. For instance, an implementation might
+bundle a Handshake message and an ACK for some Handshake
+data into the same packet.
+
+In general, the rules for which data can appear in packets of which
+encryption level are the same in QUIC as in TLS over TCP:
+
+- CRYPTO_HS frames MAY appear in packets of any encryption level.

The text suggests that a CRYPTO_HS frame might appear in a 0-RTT packet. I think we need to forbid that.

IMO, the only handshake message that might make sense to show up in a 0-RTT packet is EndOfEarlyData. However, allowing that introduces unnecessary complexity.

We need to deliver the TLS messages to the TLS stack in the order they were issued.

A QUIC implementation can easily guarantee that plaintext messages (i.e. CH, SH) carried over the Initial packets will be delivered prior to handshake messages carried over the Handshake packets (e.g., EE, Certificate, Finished), because the latter cannot be decrypted without the former being delivered. The same argument goes for NST being delivered after ServerFinished.

If we send EOED using a Handshake packet, we will continue to have the in-order delivery guarantee.

OTOH, if we send EOED using a 0-RTT packet, QUIC stacks will be required to reassembly the input across multiple encryption levels, i.e., delay passing the payload of CRYPTO_HS frames found in Handshake packets until receiving a 0-RTT packet containing a EOED message. Note that a QUIC implementation cannot even tell if a CRYPTO_HS frame found in a 0-RTT packet contains a full EOED message, so we will be required to add a flag to a 0-RTT packet telling the peer that complete EOED has been delivered.

These requirements seem wired to me. Why not just send EOED using a Handshake packet?

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<p><b>@kazuho</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1377#discussion_r190267024">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +been delivered to QUIC, it is QUIC&#39;s responsibility to deliver it
+reliably. Each chunk of data is associated with the then-current TLS
+sending keys, and if QUIC needs to retransmit that data, it MUST use
+the same keys even if TLS has already updated to newer keys.
+
+One important difference between TLS 1.3 records (used with TCP)
+and QUIC CRYPTO_HS frames is that in QUIC multiple frames may appear
+in the same QUIC packet as long as they are associated with the
+same encryption level. For instance, an implementation might
+bundle a Handshake message and an ACK for some Handshake
+data into the same packet.
+
+In general, the rules for which data can appear in packets of which
+encryption level are the same in QUIC as in TLS over TCP:
+
+- CRYPTO_HS frames MAY appear in packets of any encryption level.
</pre>
<p>The text suggests that a CRYPTO_HS frame might appear in a 0-RTT packet. I think we need to forbid that.</p>
<p>IMO, the only handshake message that might make sense to show up in a 0-RTT packet is EndOfEarlyData. However, allowing that introduces unnecessary complexity.</p>
<p>We need to deliver the TLS messages to the TLS stack in the order they were issued.</p>
<p>A QUIC implementation can easily guarantee that plaintext messages (i.e. CH, SH) carried over the Initial packets will be delivered prior to handshake messages carried over the Handshake packets (e.g., EE, Certificate, Finished), because the latter cannot be decrypted without the former being delivered. The same argument goes for NST being delivered after ServerFinished.</p>
<p>If we send EOED using a Handshake packet, we will continue to have the in-order delivery guarantee.</p>
<p>OTOH, if we send EOED using a 0-RTT packet, QUIC stacks will be required to reassembly the input across multiple encryption levels, i.e., delay passing the payload of CRYPTO_HS frames found in Handshake packets until receiving a 0-RTT packet containing a EOED message. Note that a QUIC implementation cannot even tell if a CRYPTO_HS frame found in a 0-RTT packet contains a full EOED message, so we will be required to add a flag to a 0-RTT packet telling the peer that complete EOED has been delivered.</p>
<p>These requirements seem wired to me. Why not just send EOED using a Handshake packet?</p>

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kazuho commented on this pull request.



> +been delivered to QUIC, it is QUIC's responsibility to deliver it
+reliably. Each chunk of data is associated with the then-current TLS
+sending keys, and if QUIC needs to retransmit that data, it MUST use
+the same keys even if TLS has already updated to newer keys.
+
+One important difference between TLS 1.3 records (used with TCP)
+and QUIC CRYPTO_HS frames is that in QUIC multiple frames may appear
+in the same QUIC packet as long as they are associated with the
+same encryption level. For instance, an implementation might
+bundle a Handshake message and an ACK for some Handshake
+data into the same packet.
+
+In general, the rules for which data can appear in packets of which
+encryption level are the same in QUIC as in TLS over TCP:
+
+- CRYPTO_HS frames MAY appear in packets of any encryption level.

The other reason to send EOED using a Handshake packet would be to minimize the changes related to the security from TLS. In TLS, EOED is protected by the handshake traffic key. Sending EOED using a 0-RTT packet will mean that we will be changing the traffic key of the message to a different key.

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<p><b>@kazuho</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1377#discussion_r190273274">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +been delivered to QUIC, it is QUIC&#39;s responsibility to deliver it
+reliably. Each chunk of data is associated with the then-current TLS
+sending keys, and if QUIC needs to retransmit that data, it MUST use
+the same keys even if TLS has already updated to newer keys.
+
+One important difference between TLS 1.3 records (used with TCP)
+and QUIC CRYPTO_HS frames is that in QUIC multiple frames may appear
+in the same QUIC packet as long as they are associated with the
+same encryption level. For instance, an implementation might
+bundle a Handshake message and an ACK for some Handshake
+data into the same packet.
+
+In general, the rules for which data can appear in packets of which
+encryption level are the same in QUIC as in TLS over TCP:
+
+- CRYPTO_HS frames MAY appear in packets of any encryption level.
</pre>
<p>The other reason to send EOED using a Handshake packet would be to minimize the changes related to the security from TLS. In TLS, EOED is protected by the handshake traffic key. Sending EOED using a 0-RTT packet will mean that we will be changing the traffic key of the message to a different key.</p>

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MikeBishop commented on this pull request.



> @@ -777,18 +777,13 @@ Settings which are integers use the QUIC variable-length integer encoding.
 
 #### Defined SETTINGS Parameters {#settings-parameters}
 
-The following settings are defined in HTTP/QUIC:
-
-  SETTINGS_HEADER_TABLE_SIZE (0x1):
-  : An integer with a maximum value of 2^30 - 1.  The default value is 4,096
-    bytes.
+The following setting is defined in HTTP/QUIC:
 
   SETTINGS_MAX_HEADER_LIST_SIZE (0x6):

Good point.  RFC7540 doesn't have much, but it has more than HQ does currently.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1358#discussion_r190307364">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -777,18 +777,13 @@ Settings which are integers use the QUIC variable-length integer encoding.
 
 #### Defined SETTINGS Parameters {#settings-parameters}
 
-The following settings are defined in HTTP/QUIC:
-
-  SETTINGS_HEADER_TABLE_SIZE (0x1):
-  : An integer with a maximum value of 2^30 - 1.  The default value is 4,096
-    bytes.
+The following setting is defined in HTTP/QUIC:
 
   SETTINGS_MAX_HEADER_LIST_SIZE (0x6):
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<p>Good point.  RFC7540 doesn't have much, but it has more than HQ does currently.</p>

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>  
   SETTINGS_MAX_HEADER_LIST_SIZE (0x6):
   : An integer with a maximum value of 2^30 - 1.  The default value is
     unlimited.
 
-  SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS (0x7):
-  : An integer with a maximum value of 2^16 - 1.  The default value is 100.
+Additional settings MAY be defined by extensions to HTTP/QUIC.

Kind of.  It's required to parse HEADERS and PUSH_PROMISE, but it is its own thing.  Kind of a mandatory extension, I suppose?

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1358#discussion_r190307779">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
   SETTINGS_MAX_HEADER_LIST_SIZE (0x6):
   : An integer with a maximum value of 2^30 - 1.  The default value is
     unlimited.
 
-  SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS (0x7):
-  : An integer with a maximum value of 2^16 - 1.  The default value is 100.
+Additional settings MAY be defined by extensions to HTTP/QUIC.
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<p>Kind of.  It's required to parse HEADERS and PUSH_PROMISE, but it is its own thing.  Kind of a mandatory extension, I suppose?</p>

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> @@ -1418,13 +1413,11 @@ The entries in the following table are registered by this document.
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 |----------------------------|:----:|-------------------------|
-| HEADER_TABLE_SIZE          | 0x1  | {{settings-parameters}} |

I agree.  That's because we're trying to keep consistency with the setting codes in HTTP/2, where this is defined in the HTTP draft and the value passed to HPACK as a parameter.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1358#discussion_r190308019">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1418,13 +1413,11 @@ The entries in the following table are registered by this document.
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<p>I agree.  That's because we're trying to keep consistency with the setting codes in HTTP/2, where this is defined in the HTTP draft and the value passed to HPACK as a parameter.</p>

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I prefer the HTML output the backticks generate, frankly.  But in the text version, it's wrapped in quote marks, which isn't really what we want.  So I agree we need this change, but I wouldn't mind if the template styled the tilde blocks (`<samp>`) more like it does the backtick blocks (`<pre>`).

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> +been delivered to QUIC, it is QUIC's responsibility to deliver it
+reliably. Each chunk of data is associated with the then-current TLS
+sending keys, and if QUIC needs to retransmit that data, it MUST use
+the same keys even if TLS has already updated to newer keys.
+
+One important difference between TLS 1.3 records (used with TCP)
+and QUIC CRYPTO_HS frames is that in QUIC multiple frames may appear
+in the same QUIC packet as long as they are associated with the
+same encryption level. For instance, an implementation might
+bundle a Handshake message and an ACK for some Handshake
+data into the same packet.
+
+In general, the rules for which data can appear in packets of which
+encryption level are the same in QUIC as in TLS over TCP:
+
+- CRYPTO_HS frames MAY appear in packets of any encryption level.

Please forgive me for being a complete idiot. The issues pointed out here is based on the assumption that the TLS stack will activate the handshake key before receiving EOED sent using a 0-RTT packet.

They are all non-issues, if the TLS stack delays the activation of the handshake key until it receives EOED (and that is what the stacks are doing now).

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<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1377#discussion_r190315163">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +been delivered to QUIC, it is QUIC&#39;s responsibility to deliver it
+reliably. Each chunk of data is associated with the then-current TLS
+sending keys, and if QUIC needs to retransmit that data, it MUST use
+the same keys even if TLS has already updated to newer keys.
+
+One important difference between TLS 1.3 records (used with TCP)
+and QUIC CRYPTO_HS frames is that in QUIC multiple frames may appear
+in the same QUIC packet as long as they are associated with the
+same encryption level. For instance, an implementation might
+bundle a Handshake message and an ACK for some Handshake
+data into the same packet.
+
+In general, the rules for which data can appear in packets of which
+encryption level are the same in QUIC as in TLS over TCP:
+
+- CRYPTO_HS frames MAY appear in packets of any encryption level.
</pre>
<p>Please forgive me for being a complete idiot. The issues pointed out here is based on the assumption that the TLS stack will activate the handshake key before receiving EOED sent using a 0-RTT packet.</p>
<p>They are all non-issues, if the TLS stack delays the activation of the handshake key until it receives EOED (and that is what the stacks are doing now).</p>

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>  
 A single static key can be used across all connections to the same endpoint by
 generating the proof using a second iteration of a preimage-resistant function
-that takes three inputs: the static key, the server's connection ID (see
-{{connection-id}}), and an identifier for the server instance.  A server could
-use HMAC {{?RFC2104}} (for example, HMAC(static_key, server_id ||
+that takes three inputs: the static key, the connection ID chosen by the
+endpoint (see {{connection-id}}), and an instance identifier.  An endpoint could
+use HMAC {{?RFC2104}} (for example, HMAC(static_key, instance_id ||

And of course, the issue is that if you enable servers to SR after a routing flap, you also enable those servers to be used as oracles.  The only defense is to make it impossible for the routing to be affected by the attacker.

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<p><b>@MikeBishop</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1346#discussion_r190319312">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
 A single static key can be used across all connections to the same endpoint by
 generating the proof using a second iteration of a preimage-resistant function
-that takes three inputs: the static key, the server&#39;s connection ID (see
-{{connection-id}}), and an identifier for the server instance.  A server could
-use HMAC {{?RFC2104}} (for example, HMAC(static_key, server_id ||
+that takes three inputs: the static key, the connection ID chosen by the
+endpoint (see {{connection-id}}), and an instance identifier.  An endpoint could
+use HMAC {{?RFC2104}} (for example, HMAC(static_key, instance_id ||
</pre>
<p>And of course, the issue is that if you enable servers to SR after a routing flap, you also enable those servers to be used as oracles.  The only defense is to make it impossible for the routing to be affected by the attacker.</p>

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MikeBishop approved this pull request.

LGTM.

> +recipient saw a preceding packet from its peer.
+
+The first mechanism used is the source and destination connection IDs, which are
+required to match those set by a peer.  Except for an Initial and stateless
+reset packets, an endpoint only accepts packets that include a destination
+connection that matches a connection ID the endpoint previously chose.  This is
+the only protection offered for Version Negotiation packets.
+
+The destination connection ID in an Initial packet is selected by a client to be
+unpredictable, which serves an additional purpose.  The packets that carry the
+cryptographic handshake are protected with a key that is derived from this
+connection ID and salt specific to the QUIC version.  This allows endpoints to
+use the same process for authenticating packets that they receive as they use
+after the cryptographic handshake completes.  Packets that cannot be
+authenticated are discarded.  Protecting packets in this fashion provides a
+strong assurance that the sender of the packet saw the Initial packets and

packets plural?

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<p><b>@MikeBishop</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<p>LGTM.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1347#discussion_r190320469">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +recipient saw a preceding packet from its peer.
+
+The first mechanism used is the source and destination connection IDs, which are
+required to match those set by a peer.  Except for an Initial and stateless
+reset packets, an endpoint only accepts packets that include a destination
+connection that matches a connection ID the endpoint previously chose.  This is
+the only protection offered for Version Negotiation packets.
+
+The destination connection ID in an Initial packet is selected by a client to be
+unpredictable, which serves an additional purpose.  The packets that carry the
+cryptographic handshake are protected with a key that is derived from this
+connection ID and salt specific to the QUIC version.  This allows endpoints to
+use the same process for authenticating packets that they receive as they use
+after the cryptographic handshake completes.  Packets that cannot be
+authenticated are discarded.  Protecting packets in this fashion provides a
+strong assurance that the sender of the packet saw the Initial packets and
</pre>
<p>packets plural?</p>

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I believe the typical state is for an RFC to indicate the author's contact information as of the time it hits RFC.  Buck's e-mail address and affiliation have changed, so we should probably have updated info in the draft.  (Also, e-mails to the authors alias are bouncing back from @krasic's Google address.)

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<p>I believe the typical state is for an RFC to indicate the author's contact information as of the time it hits RFC.  Buck's e-mail address and affiliation have changed, so we should probably have updated info in the draft.  (Also, e-mails to the authors alias are bouncing back from <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-user-id="6422662" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/krasic">@krasic</a>'s Google address.)</p>

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Do we want to mix 'alarm' and 'timeout' in the transport doc or do we want to use exclusively 'timeout' ?
Up to -10 the word 'alarm' was not used.
This also applies to the upcoming stream 0 design proposal.

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<p>Do we want to mix 'alarm' and 'timeout' in the transport doc or do we want to use exclusively 'timeout' ?<br>
Up to -10 the word 'alarm' was not used.<br>
This also applies to the upcoming stream 0 design proposal.</p>

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janaiyengar commented on this pull request.



>  
 A single static key can be used across all connections to the same endpoint by
 generating the proof using a second iteration of a preimage-resistant function
-that takes three inputs: the static key, the server's connection ID (see
-{{connection-id}}), and an identifier for the server instance.  A server could
-use HMAC {{?RFC2104}} (for example, HMAC(static_key, server_id ||
+that takes three inputs: the static key, the connection ID chosen by the
+endpoint (see {{connection-id}}), and an instance identifier.  An endpoint could
+use HMAC {{?RFC2104}} (for example, HMAC(static_key, instance_id ||

@martinthomson : Ah, right, I see it's addressed below. Given this is an example construction, I would suggest making that explicitly clear up at the beginning of this paragraph.
@MikeBishop : Yes, that is true, but defending the routing infrastructure against attacks seems out of scope for us, since similar attacks can be launched against TCP as well, where you'd receive an RST or ICMP unreachable.

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<p><b>@janaiyengar</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1346#discussion_r190374682">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
 A single static key can be used across all connections to the same endpoint by
 generating the proof using a second iteration of a preimage-resistant function
-that takes three inputs: the static key, the server&#39;s connection ID (see
-{{connection-id}}), and an identifier for the server instance.  A server could
-use HMAC {{?RFC2104}} (for example, HMAC(static_key, server_id ||
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+endpoint (see {{connection-id}}), and an instance identifier.  An endpoint could
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<p><a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-user-id="67641" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/martinthomson">@martinthomson</a> : Ah, right, I see it's addressed below. Given this is an example construction, I would suggest making that explicitly clear up at the beginning of this paragraph.<br>
<a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-user-id="4273797" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/MikeBishop">@MikeBishop</a> : Yes, that is true, but defending the routing infrastructure against attacks seems out of scope for us, since similar attacks can be launched against TCP as well, where you'd receive an RST or ICMP unreachable.</p>

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janaiyengar approved this pull request.

LGTM, modulo my earlier (take-it-or-leave-it) comment.



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<p><b>@janaiyengar</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<p>LGTM, modulo my earlier (take-it-or-leave-it) comment.</p>

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I don't have a strong opinion, but I think sticking to TCP terminology of timer and timeout makes sense, just for clarity.

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<p>I don't have a strong opinion, but I think sticking to TCP terminology of timer and timeout makes sense, just for clarity.</p>

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janaiyengar approved this pull request.

nits, but LGTM

> @@ -4035,35 +4035,35 @@ attack from off the network path.  All QUIC packets contain proof that the
 recipient saw a preceding packet from its peer.
 
 The first mechanism used is the source and destination connection IDs, which are
-required to match those set by a peer.  Except for an Initial packet and
-stateless reset, an endpoint only accepts packets that include a destination
+required to match those set by a peer.  Except for an Initial and stateless
+reset packets, an endpoint only accepts packets that include a destination

capitalize stateless reset

> +recipient saw a preceding packet from its peer.
+
+The first mechanism used is the source and destination connection IDs, which are
+required to match those set by a peer.  Except for an Initial and stateless
+reset packets, an endpoint only accepts packets that include a destination
+connection that matches a connection ID the endpoint previously chose.  This is
+the only protection offered for Version Negotiation packets.
+
+The destination connection ID in an Initial packet is selected by a client to be
+unpredictable, which serves an additional purpose.  The packets that carry the
+cryptographic handshake are protected with a key that is derived from this
+connection ID and salt specific to the QUIC version.  This allows endpoints to
+use the same process for authenticating packets that they receive as they use
+after the cryptographic handshake completes.  Packets that cannot be
+authenticated are discarded.  Protecting packets in this fashion provides a
+strong assurance that the sender of the packet saw the Initial packets and

yeah, this should be "packet"

>  
 These protections are not intended to be effective against an attacker that is
-able to receive QUIC packets.  Such an attacker can potentially send packets
-that will be accepted by QUIC clients or servers.  This version of QUIC only
-attempts to detect this sort of attack.  Interference with the handshake is
-detected when the cryptographic handshake fails.  For the most part, this is a
-property that the cryptographic handshake protocol {{QUIC-TLS}} is required to
-provide, though additional validation is required for version negotiation (see
+able to receive QUIC packets prior to the connection being established.  Such an
+attacker can potentially send packets that will be accepted by QUIC clients or

s/QUIC clients or servers/the QUIC endpoints/ ?

>  
 These protections are not intended to be effective against an attacker that is
-able to receive QUIC packets.  Such an attacker can potentially send packets
-that will be accepted by QUIC clients or servers.  This version of QUIC only
-attempts to detect this sort of attack.  Interference with the handshake is
-detected when the cryptographic handshake fails.  For the most part, this is a
-property that the cryptographic handshake protocol {{QUIC-TLS}} is required to
-provide, though additional validation is required for version negotiation (see
+able to receive QUIC packets prior to the connection being established.  Such an
+attacker can potentially send packets that will be accepted by QUIC clients or
+servers.  This version of QUIC attempts to detect this sort of attack, but it
+expects that endpoints will fail to establish a connection rather than
+recovering.  For the most part, the cryptographic handshake protocol

I think this is fine.

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<p><b>@janaiyengar</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<p>nits, but LGTM</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1347#discussion_r190377502">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -4035,35 +4035,35 @@ attack from off the network path.  All QUIC packets contain proof that the
 recipient saw a preceding packet from its peer.
 
 The first mechanism used is the source and destination connection IDs, which are
-required to match those set by a peer.  Except for an Initial packet and
-stateless reset, an endpoint only accepts packets that include a destination
+required to match those set by a peer.  Except for an Initial and stateless
+reset packets, an endpoint only accepts packets that include a destination
</pre>
<p>capitalize stateless reset</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1347#discussion_r190377600">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +recipient saw a preceding packet from its peer.
+
+The first mechanism used is the source and destination connection IDs, which are
+required to match those set by a peer.  Except for an Initial and stateless
+reset packets, an endpoint only accepts packets that include a destination
+connection that matches a connection ID the endpoint previously chose.  This is
+the only protection offered for Version Negotiation packets.
+
+The destination connection ID in an Initial packet is selected by a client to be
+unpredictable, which serves an additional purpose.  The packets that carry the
+cryptographic handshake are protected with a key that is derived from this
+connection ID and salt specific to the QUIC version.  This allows endpoints to
+use the same process for authenticating packets that they receive as they use
+after the cryptographic handshake completes.  Packets that cannot be
+authenticated are discarded.  Protecting packets in this fashion provides a
+strong assurance that the sender of the packet saw the Initial packets and
</pre>
<p>yeah, this should be "packet"</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1347#discussion_r190378857">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
 These protections are not intended to be effective against an attacker that is
-able to receive QUIC packets.  Such an attacker can potentially send packets
-that will be accepted by QUIC clients or servers.  This version of QUIC only
-attempts to detect this sort of attack.  Interference with the handshake is
-detected when the cryptographic handshake fails.  For the most part, this is a
-property that the cryptographic handshake protocol {{QUIC-TLS}} is required to
-provide, though additional validation is required for version negotiation (see
+able to receive QUIC packets prior to the connection being established.  Such an
+attacker can potentially send packets that will be accepted by QUIC clients or
</pre>
<p>s/QUIC clients or servers/the QUIC endpoints/ ?</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1347#discussion_r190379799">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
 These protections are not intended to be effective against an attacker that is
-able to receive QUIC packets.  Such an attacker can potentially send packets
-that will be accepted by QUIC clients or servers.  This version of QUIC only
-attempts to detect this sort of attack.  Interference with the handshake is
-detected when the cryptographic handshake fails.  For the most part, this is a
-property that the cryptographic handshake protocol {{QUIC-TLS}} is required to
-provide, though additional validation is required for version negotiation (see
+able to receive QUIC packets prior to the connection being established.  Such an
+attacker can potentially send packets that will be accepted by QUIC clients or
+servers.  This version of QUIC attempts to detect this sort of attack, but it
+expects that endpoints will fail to establish a connection rather than
+recovering.  For the most part, the cryptographic handshake protocol
</pre>
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MikeBishop commented on this pull request.



>  
 A single static key can be used across all connections to the same endpoint by
 generating the proof using a second iteration of a preimage-resistant function
-that takes three inputs: the static key, the server's connection ID (see
-{{connection-id}}), and an identifier for the server instance.  A server could
-use HMAC {{?RFC2104}} (for example, HMAC(static_key, server_id ||
+that takes three inputs: the static key, the connection ID chosen by the
+endpoint (see {{connection-id}}), and an instance identifier.  An endpoint could
+use HMAC {{?RFC2104}} (for example, HMAC(static_key, instance_id ||

Defending it is out of scope.  Noting that you create an attack vector if you fail to defend it yourself, however, bears mentioning.

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<p><b>@MikeBishop</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1346#discussion_r190419720">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
 A single static key can be used across all connections to the same endpoint by
 generating the proof using a second iteration of a preimage-resistant function
-that takes three inputs: the static key, the server&#39;s connection ID (see
-{{connection-id}}), and an identifier for the server instance.  A server could
-use HMAC {{?RFC2104}} (for example, HMAC(static_key, server_id ||
+that takes three inputs: the static key, the connection ID chosen by the
+endpoint (see {{connection-id}}), and an instance identifier.  An endpoint could
+use HMAC {{?RFC2104}} (for example, HMAC(static_key, instance_id ||
</pre>
<p>Defending it is out of scope.  Noting that you create an attack vector if you fail to defend it yourself, however, bears mentioning.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/krasic_not_googler
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Fixes #1382.
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  * Update Buck's contact info

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    M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md (4)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #1382.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="325811134" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1382" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1382">#1382</a>.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/appendices
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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  Date:   2018-05-23 (Wed, 23 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
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    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md
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Fixes #1381.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1385

-- Commit Summary --

  * Reorder appendices

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (16)
    M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md (32)
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (7)
    M draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md (11)
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (24)
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (52)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #1381.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="325576102" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1381" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1381">#1381</a>.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Reorder appendices</li>
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    <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1385/files#diff-0">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>
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    <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1385/files#diff-1">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>
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    <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1385/files#diff-2">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>
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    <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1385/files#diff-3">draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md</a>
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    <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1385/files#diff-4">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>
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    <strong>M</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1385/files#diff-5">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>
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15142b8  Acknowledge former employers


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<p><a href="https://github.com/MikeBishop" class="user-mention">@MikeBishop</a> pushed 1 commit.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/krasic_not_googler
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<p><b>@mnot</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1355#discussion_r190429674">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
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We already have /, this seems vaguely implementation-specific

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<p><b>@mnot</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1355#discussion_r190429789">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
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> +| 97    | access-control-allow-methods     | options                                                                                                |
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+| 100   | access-control-allow-methods     | get, head, options                                                                                     |
+| 101   | access-control-allow-methods     | get, options                                                                                           |
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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1355#discussion_r190429889">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +| 97    | access-control-allow-methods     | options                                                                                                |
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+| 99    | access-control-allow-methods     | get, post, options                                                                                     |
+| 100   | access-control-allow-methods     | get, head, options                                                                                     |
+| 101   | access-control-allow-methods     | get, options                                                                                           |
+| 102   | origin                           |                                                                                                        |
+| 103   | x-frame-options                  | sameorigin                                                                                             |
+| 104   | x-frame-options                  | deny                                                                                                   |
+| 105   | timing-allow-origin              | \*                                                                                                     |
+| 106   | access-control-expose-headers    | content-length                                                                                         |
+| 107   | access-control-allow-credentials | TRUE                                                                                                   |
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<p><b>@mnot</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1355#discussion_r190430302">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1355#discussion_r190430319">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
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  Branch: refs/heads/krasic_not_googler
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  Branch: refs/heads/krasic_not_googler
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There's no space after the comma. I know that we're basing this on traffic currently seen, but once this is the static table, implementations are going to adjust what they emit to match, making this a pseudo-standard. So I'd suggest either adding a space or dropping this one.

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<p><b>@mnot</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1355#discussion_r190431344">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
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<p>There's no space after the comma. I know that we're basing this on traffic currently seen, but once this is the static table, implementations are going to adjust what they emit to match, making this a pseudo-standard. So I'd suggest either adding a space or dropping this one.</p>

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To `pragma` entirely, or this particular value?  It's outside spec, but it's commonly used.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1355#discussion_r190431477">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
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<p>To <code>pragma</code> entirely, or this particular value?  It's outside spec, but it's commonly used.</p>

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mnot commented on this pull request.



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This particular value definitely, but probably 84 too. We shouldn't be encouraging HTTP/1.0 semantics and this isn't going to result in any real-world perceivable performance benefit.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1355#discussion_r190431807">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
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<p>This particular value definitely, but probably 84 too. We shouldn't be encouraging HTTP/1.0 semantics and this isn't going to result in any real-world perceivable performance benefit.</p>

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It sounds like this is OK.  However, I would caution that if you are avoiding blocking for new insertions, then this could deadlock.  Decoders need to be aware of that.

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<p>It sounds like this is OK.  However, I would caution that if you are avoiding blocking for new insertions, then this could deadlock.  Decoders need to be aware of that.</p>

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A separate instruction seems best given the differences.  The encoding is better that way too.  Then you can use a one-bit instruction for the common "ack a single header" instruction and two each for the "ack insertions" and "stream destroyed" instructions.

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> +The static table consists of a predefined static list of header fields, each of
+which has a fixed index over time.  Its entries are defined in Appendix A of
+{{!RFC7541}}. Note that because HPACK did not use zero-based references, there
+is no value at index zero of the static table.
+
+## Dynamic Table {#table-dynamic}
+
+The dynamic table consists of a list of header fields maintained in first-in,
+first-out order.  The dynamic table is initially empty.  Entries are added by
+instructions on the Encoder Stream (see {{encoder-stream}}).
+
+Before a new entry is added to the dynamic table, entries are evicted from the
+end of the dynamic table until the size of the dynamic table is less than or
+equal to (maximum size - new entry size) or until the table is empty.
+
+If the size of the new entry is less than or equal to the maximum size, that

Given that there is zero utility from blowing the table out like this, I think that we might be better prohibiting that outright.  In HPACK, this caused the header to be emitted as well, but here all you are doing is wasting bytes.

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1357#discussion_r190440970">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +The static table consists of a predefined static list of header fields, each of
+which has a fixed index over time.  Its entries are defined in Appendix A of
+{{!RFC7541}}. Note that because HPACK did not use zero-based references, there
+is no value at index zero of the static table.
+
+## Dynamic Table {#table-dynamic}
+
+The dynamic table consists of a list of header fields maintained in first-in,
+first-out order.  The dynamic table is initially empty.  Entries are added by
+instructions on the Encoder Stream (see {{encoder-stream}}).
+
+Before a new entry is added to the dynamic table, entries are evicted from the
+end of the dynamic table until the size of the dynamic table is less than or
+equal to (maximum size - new entry size) or until the table is empty.
+
+If the size of the new entry is less than or equal to the maximum size, that
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<p>Given that there is zero utility from blowing the table out like this, I think that we might be better prohibiting that outright.  In HPACK, this caused the header to be emitted as well, but here all you are doing is wasting bytes.</p>

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  Explain what packet protection means


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  Merge pull request #1378 from quicwg/initial-isnt-really-protected

Explain what packet protection means


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Merged #1378.

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Yeah, the problem is that kramdown doesn't see ``` as special.  It reads it as `<code></code><code>`, which is an inline elements, which causes the mess you see.

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<p>Yeah, the problem is that kramdown doesn't see ``` as special.  It reads it as <code>&lt;code&gt;&lt;/code&gt;&lt;code&gt;</code>, which is an inline elements, which causes the mess you see.</p>

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martinthomson commented on this pull request.



> @@ -4035,35 +4035,35 @@ attack from off the network path.  All QUIC packets contain proof that the
 recipient saw a preceding packet from its peer.
 
 The first mechanism used is the source and destination connection IDs, which are
-required to match those set by a peer.  Except for an Initial packet and
-stateless reset, an endpoint only accepts packets that include a destination
+required to match those set by a peer.  Except for an Initial and stateless
+reset packets, an endpoint only accepts packets that include a destination

That would be a first.  It's lowercase everywhere else.

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1347#discussion_r190441970">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -4035,35 +4035,35 @@ attack from off the network path.  All QUIC packets contain proof that the
 recipient saw a preceding packet from its peer.
 
 The first mechanism used is the source and destination connection IDs, which are
-required to match those set by a peer.  Except for an Initial packet and
-stateless reset, an endpoint only accepts packets that include a destination
+required to match those set by a peer.  Except for an Initial and stateless
+reset packets, an endpoint only accepts packets that include a destination
</pre>
<p>That would be a first.  It's lowercase everywhere else.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/bad-packets
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4722286  Fix plurals


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After a bunch of discussion on this point, I think that the conclusion is that the only effective defense against being used as a stateless reset oracle is to ensure that an attacker can't influence choice of server instance that a packet arrives at.

If you have a cluster, there's a huge advantage in being able to reset a connection if a packet arrives for a connection you don't know about.  It is often the case that this is because the instance that handled the connection is gone, or the routing in the cluster has shifted so that the connection ID now points at a different instance.  In both cases, not sending a reset means that the connection will hang around being useless until it times out.

The problem is that if you have a cluster arrangement where instances can be directly targetted by an attacker, they can use one instance as a stateless reset oracle.  Send that instance packets with the desired connection ID and they get back a token that they can use to kill the legitimate connection.

The best (and perhaps only) defense we have here is to recommend that clusters be arranged so that any group of instances that share a key cannot be individually targetted by an attacker without changing the connection ID.

This also means that the instance ID notion isn't that useful, except perhaps as a means of providing key separation between different clusters.  Removing that from the draft will simplify things.

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<p>After a bunch of discussion on this point, I think that the conclusion is that the only effective defense against being used as a stateless reset oracle is to ensure that an attacker can't influence choice of server instance that a packet arrives at.</p>
<p>If you have a cluster, there's a huge advantage in being able to reset a connection if a packet arrives for a connection you don't know about.  It is often the case that this is because the instance that handled the connection is gone, or the routing in the cluster has shifted so that the connection ID now points at a different instance.  In both cases, not sending a reset means that the connection will hang around being useless until it times out.</p>
<p>The problem is that if you have a cluster arrangement where instances can be directly targetted by an attacker, they can use one instance as a stateless reset oracle.  Send that instance packets with the desired connection ID and they get back a token that they can use to kill the legitimate connection.</p>
<p>The best (and perhaps only) defense we have here is to recommend that clusters be arranged so that any group of instances that share a key cannot be individually targetted by an attacker without changing the connection ID.</p>
<p>This also means that the instance ID notion isn't that useful, except perhaps as a means of providing key separation between different clusters.  Removing that from the draft will simplify things.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 28bcc6a4258b2bd7327997c195f37eb01b5753d3
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/28bcc6a4258b2bd7327997c195f37eb01b5753d3
  Author: Mike Bishop <mbishop@evequefou.be>
  Date:   2018-05-23 (Wed, 23 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md
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  Log Message:
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  Reorder appendices


  Commit: 68f03ae260455f0609e0b48c0885bb835a508d99
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/68f03ae260455f0609e0b48c0885bb835a508d99
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-05-24 (Thu, 24 May 2018)

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    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md
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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #1385 from quicwg/appendices

Reorder appendices


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Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] f125a5: Write down spoofed packet guarantees
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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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  Commit: f125a502689429e69d4a52f4ed9c9c18b185b06f
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  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-05-10 (Thu, 10 May 2018)

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  Write down spoofed packet guarantees

We agreed to this a while back, but never got around to putting the conclusions in the document.  We've done some of the work by writing down the rules for use of CONNECTION_CLOSE and TLS alerts, and the related changes, but the basic principles never got articulated.

This attempts to outline what we do to authenticate packets that we receive.

* Once the handshake is done, it's mostly simple: if the AEAD fails, drop it.
* We have a small carve-out for some types of ICMP, with some strong limitations on what that information can be used for.  @igorlord might expand the PMTU usage to cover DestUnreach, but these uses permit a very narrow range of actions.
* We also have stateless reset, which is another snowflake.
* The bulk of the text here concerns the handshake.  I've covered the two mechanisms we tie into the use of connection IDs:
** Echoing the value (the only protection we have for Version Negotiation, for instance).
** The AEAD that uses the connection ID as input.

And then it explains that our only defense against an on-path attacker is to fail to establish a connection.  I think that covers all the necessary points.

Closes #645.


  Commit: 6cc16b637b240efc6bb6674a523dd7d599aaab0e
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  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-05-23 (Wed, 23 May 2018)

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  Addressing review comments, rewording handshakey bit


  Commit: 47222869b758e499c4cca5ec24e5ccd395e5120f
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  Date:   2018-05-24 (Thu, 24 May 2018)

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  Fix plurals


  Commit: 88dd1c9aba4681037b3dc210ded5693fd57f4502
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  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-05-24 (Thu, 24 May 2018)

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  Merge pull request #1347 from quicwg/bad-packets

Write down spoofed packet guarantees


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  Stateless Reset Cleanup

The Stateless Reset is just a bunch of random bytes except the first one and the token, so I simplified the spec to reflect that.


  Commit: 70b9cff18c2ff040ece204c32a0dc38fc5a18e47
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  Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

Improved logical ordering of paragraphs.


  Commit: 93f567c13e6a8ba4a7723efbbe9cc679f15b1d71
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  Date:   2018-05-10 (Thu, 10 May 2018)

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  Polishing PR#1328


  Commit: c93425781271f7173a5d0eee999d550b58868651
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  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-05-10 (Thu, 10 May 2018)

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  wip


  Commit: 5ebb357480039e21bfb1fe57b03a524bf669bf30
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  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-05-10 (Thu, 10 May 2018)

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  Make stateless reset symmetric

Closes #466.


  Commit: e92d76ce7cbd3053b6ae7da3cc06011a58e34f52
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  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-05-10 (Thu, 10 May 2018)

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  Log Message:
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  DoS considerations for stateless reset


  Commit: 5266bccaeb118d006a332ce4a1d1111172c4f334
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  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-05-10 (Thu, 10 May 2018)

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  Require coextant connection IDs and stateless reset keys

Otherwise, there is a DoS risk.


  Commit: 770fffcf2e392bef246b4224e8b63617bc8c80e8
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  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-05-10 (Thu, 10 May 2018)

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  Fixup for Martin's comments


  Commit: 75ff6ab9eb1f371b5d2b4bf1eba2fd47d7e58ce1
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  Date:   2018-05-16 (Wed, 16 May 2018)

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  Update the header octet


  Commit: 39809799e4c8f9d2445021262dccb91bad5bec79
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  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-05-18 (Fri, 18 May 2018)

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  Log Message:
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  destination connection id


  Commit: 4175c4012d24f704ab681bbd0e847a83840a9e87
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  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-05-18 (Fri, 18 May 2018)

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  Remove ill-advised fixes for #1256/#1259


  Commit: be417abf98f01a22543856f084ce4235c7fd159a
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  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-05-23 (Wed, 23 May 2018)

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  Log Message:
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  Review comments


  Commit: f43b6822105b47edbb0c046fdf961601a3001db0
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  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-05-24 (Thu, 24 May 2018)

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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #1346 from quicwg/stateless-reset-fixes

Stateless reset fixes


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Closed #466 via #1346.

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Merged #1346.

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See #1386 for the follow-up.

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There is another possible defense which also ties into allowing middleboxes to help prevent DDos attacks:

Including a small checksum in the header which might be successfully compromised every 64 attempt or so, but infrequent enough to support signficant traffic filtering. This checksum could be few bits in the header or the packet number.

The connecting client and the cluster will understand the checksum but without on-path access to an existing packet an attack will fail with signficant probability as it will be filtered similar to other DDoS attacks.

DDoS attacks are extremely common and frequently take down major infrastructure so there is a lot of value in being able to filter out those attack packets before they reach the endpoint.

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As regards to the pseudo code. 
Is there any formalized syntax for identification of frame types 
Now we have 

if (ack is of type ACK_ECN):

guess that is perhaps not correct syntax or ?
Other that I believe that input from other is appreciated.
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<p>As regards to the pseudo code.<br>
Is there any formalized syntax for identification of frame types<br>
Now we have</p>
<p>if (ack is of type ACK_ECN):</p>
<p>guess that is perhaps not correct syntax or ?<br>
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It is hard to understand TLS 5.6 Packet Number Protection.

More specifically, this text block:

"""
   In sampling the packet ciphertext, the packet number length is
   assumed to be the smaller of the maximum possible packet number
   encoding (4 octets), or the size of the protected packet minus the
   minimum expansion for the AEAD.  For example, the sampled ciphertext
   for a packet with a short header can be determined by:

   "sample_offset = min(1 + connection_id_length + 4, packet_length -
   aead_expansion) sample =
   packet[sample_offset..sample_offset+sample_length] "
"""

It is ambiguous that what packet_length is.  Is it the Packet length field in Long packet header?  But it does not appear in Short header.  Is it the length of (Protected) Payload?  Or the length of QUIC packet?

The text says "the packet number length is ...", but the example seems to be offset to the byte to sample.

It would be also nice to show the example of Long packet.



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<p>It is hard to understand TLS 5.6 Packet Number Protection.</p>
<p>More specifically, this text block:</p>
<p>"""<br>
In sampling the packet ciphertext, the packet number length is<br>
assumed to be the smaller of the maximum possible packet number<br>
encoding (4 octets), or the size of the protected packet minus the<br>
minimum expansion for the AEAD.  For example, the sampled ciphertext<br>
for a packet with a short header can be determined by:</p>
<p>"sample_offset = min(1 + connection_id_length + 4, packet_length -<br>
aead_expansion) sample =<br>
packet[sample_offset..sample_offset+sample_length] "<br>
"""</p>
<p>It is ambiguous that what packet_length is.  Is it the Packet length field in Long packet header?  But it does not appear in Short header.  Is it the length of (Protected) Payload?  Or the length of QUIC packet?</p>
<p>The text says "the packet number length is ...", but the example seems to be offset to the byte to sample.</p>
<p>It would be also nice to show the example of Long packet.</p>

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71c2794  Rewrote the ECN check algorithm for connection migration to be robust.


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If I assume that packet_length specifies the length of QUIC packet, it looks like packet number cannot be decrypted when compound packet is used.
This is because the packet_length (= the length of QUIC packet) is only known when we know the length of packet number field.  But in order to know the length of packet number field, we have to decrypt it.  In order to decrypt the packet number, we have to know the packet_length.

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<p>If I assume that packet_length specifies the length of QUIC packet, it=
 looks like packet number cannot be decrypted when compound packet is use=
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This is because the packet_length (=3D the length of QUIC packet) is only=
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now the length of packet number field, we have to decrypt it.  In order t=
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19d3b53  Fixed trailing spaces in recovery.


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f71e933  Rewraped text in both recovery and transport. Added a new sub-section on continous verification.


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MikeBishop commented on this pull request.



> +The static table consists of a predefined static list of header fields, each of
+which has a fixed index over time.  Its entries are defined in Appendix A of
+{{!RFC7541}}. Note that because HPACK did not use zero-based references, there
+is no value at index zero of the static table.
+
+## Dynamic Table {#table-dynamic}
+
+The dynamic table consists of a list of header fields maintained in first-in,
+first-out order.  The dynamic table is initially empty.  Entries are added by
+instructions on the Encoder Stream (see {{encoder-stream}}).
+
+Before a new entry is added to the dynamic table, entries are evicted from the
+end of the dynamic table until the size of the dynamic table is less than or
+equal to (maximum size - new entry size) or until the table is empty.
+
+If the size of the new entry is less than or equal to the maximum size, that

So inserting a header that's larger than the static table is a hard error?  Works for me.

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<p><b>@MikeBishop</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1357#discussion_r190685121">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +The static table consists of a predefined static list of header fields, each of
+which has a fixed index over time.  Its entries are defined in Appendix A of
+{{!RFC7541}}. Note that because HPACK did not use zero-based references, there
+is no value at index zero of the static table.
+
+## Dynamic Table {#table-dynamic}
+
+The dynamic table consists of a list of header fields maintained in first-in,
+first-out order.  The dynamic table is initially empty.  Entries are added by
+instructions on the Encoder Stream (see {{encoder-stream}}).
+
+Before a new entry is added to the dynamic table, entries are evicted from the
+end of the dynamic table until the size of the dynamic table is less than or
+equal to (maximum size - new entry size) or until the table is empty.
+
+If the size of the new entry is less than or equal to the maximum size, that
</pre>
<p>So inserting a header that's larger than the static table is a hard error?  Works for me.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/krasic_not_googler
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Of the frame types defined in the draft, only one frame type actually defines any flags.  Otherwise, the flags byte is a wasted byte per frame, every frame.

For the frames which don't use flags, the byte can simply be dropped from the generic frame definition without ill effect.  For the one which does (PRIORITY), there are a few reasonable choices:

  - Define a flags byte as the first byte of PRIORITY's payload; PRIORITY effectively remains unchanged
  - Follow QUIC's lead: embed the flags in the type byte; PRIORITY consumes eight values in the frame type space
  - Consider putting priority changes on a separate unidirectional stream (as in #1359) and not using control stream frames for them at all.  They only need order with respect to each other, not anything else.

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<p>Of the frame types defined in the draft, only one frame type actually defines any flags.  Otherwise, the flags byte is a wasted byte per frame, every frame.</p>
<p>For the frames which don't use flags, the byte can simply be dropped from the generic frame definition without ill effect.  For the one which does (PRIORITY), there are a few reasonable choices:</p>
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<li>Define a flags byte as the first byte of PRIORITY's payload; PRIORITY effectively remains unchanged</li>
<li>Follow QUIC's lead: embed the flags in the type byte; PRIORITY consumes eight values in the frame type space</li>
<li>Consider putting priority changes on a separate unidirectional stream (as in <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="324585657" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1359" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1359">#1359</a>) and not using control stream frames for them at all.  They only need order with respect to each other, not anything else.</li>
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This is a nice observation.  I tend to think of flags as a mistake in h2, but it was always too low on the priority list and they were used a reasonable amount.  Here you are right, we could do better.  Encoding PRIORITY differently seems like the best choice (8 frame types isn't that big a deal, but it's probably better to use an extra octet in this case).

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I think that we should consider two fixes here.  As @mikkelfj says, we don't have any proof of receipt in a stateless reset, and that makes this problem much worse.  The challenge there is that endpoints don't typically remember the last packet they sent.

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<p>I think that we should consider two fixes here.  As <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-user-id="193335" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/mikkelfj">@mikkelfj</a> says, we don't have any proof of receipt in a stateless reset, and that makes this problem much worse.  The challenge there is that endpoints don't typically remember the last packet they sent.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/issue1387
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/edff8245c8e4c37b81228ed749c5ec3ee32c90c8
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-05-25 (Fri, 25 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Make the packet number encryption sampling clearer

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Fixes #1387.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1389

-- Commit Summary --

  * Make the packet number encryption sampling clearer

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (20)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #1387.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="326092121" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1387" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1387">#1387</a>.</p>

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nibanks commented on this pull request.



>                      packet_length - aead_expansion)
 sample = packet[sample_offset..sample_offset+sample_length]
 ~~~
 
+A packet with a long header is sampled in the same way, noting that multiple
+QUIC packets might be included in the same UDP datagram and that each one is
+handled separately.
+
+~~~
+sample_offset = min(2 + len(destination_connection_id) +
+                      len(source_connection_id) +
+                      len(payload_length) + 4,
+                    packet_length - aead_expansion)

I assume `packet_length` refers to the QUIC packet length and not the UDP payload length, right? If so, how's this supposed to be determined from a long header packet, especially if it's the first of several compound packets?

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1389#discussion_r190766035">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;                      packet_length - aead_expansion)
 sample = packet[sample_offset..sample_offset+sample_length]
 ~~~
 
+A packet with a long header is sampled in the same way, noting that multiple
+QUIC packets might be included in the same UDP datagram and that each one is
+handled separately.
+
+~~~
+sample_offset = min(2 + len(destination_connection_id) +
+                      len(source_connection_id) +
+                      len(payload_length) + 4,
+                    packet_length - aead_expansion)
</pre>
<p>I assume <code>packet_length</code> refers to the QUIC packet length and not the UDP payload length, right? If so, how's this supposed to be determined from a long header packet, especially if it's the first of several compound packets?</p>

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martinthomson commented on this pull request.



>                      packet_length - aead_expansion)
 sample = packet[sample_offset..sample_offset+sample_length]
 ~~~
 
+A packet with a long header is sampled in the same way, noting that multiple
+QUIC packets might be included in the same UDP datagram and that each one is
+handled separately.
+
+~~~
+sample_offset = min(2 + len(destination_connection_id) +
+                      len(source_connection_id) +
+                      len(payload_length) + 4,
+                    packet_length - aead_expansion)

Ahh, I see the problem.  You don't know where the payload length starts.  It seems like we need to make the payload length cover the packet number length.  More changes inbound.

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1389#discussion_r190766249">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;                      packet_length - aead_expansion)
 sample = packet[sample_offset..sample_offset+sample_length]
 ~~~
 
+A packet with a long header is sampled in the same way, noting that multiple
+QUIC packets might be included in the same UDP datagram and that each one is
+handled separately.
+
+~~~
+sample_offset = min(2 + len(destination_connection_id) +
+                      len(source_connection_id) +
+                      len(payload_length) + 4,
+                    packet_length - aead_expansion)
</pre>
<p>Ahh, I see the problem.  You don't know where the payload length starts.  It seems like we need to make the payload length cover the packet number length.  More changes inbound.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/issue1387
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5b81241afde217913da969b9818988f3015ffd11
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-05-25 (Fri, 25 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Include packet number in the length field for long headers

This ensures that the packet number encryption can work because that relies on knowing where the end of the packet is.

This means that packet coalescing in -12 was busted.



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5b81241  Include packet number in the length field for long headers


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kazuho commented on this pull request.



>                      packet_length - aead_expansion)
 sample = packet[sample_offset..sample_offset+sample_length]
 ~~~
 
+A packet with a long header is sampled in the same way, noting that multiple
+QUIC packets might be included in the same UDP datagram and that each one is
+handled separately.
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+sample_offset = min(2 + len(destination_connection_id) +

Shouldn't `2` be `6`? There are the type octet, version (4 octets), CILs (1 octets).

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<p><b>@kazuho</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1389#discussion_r190767665">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;                      packet_length - aead_expansion)
 sample = packet[sample_offset..sample_offset+sample_length]
 ~~~
 
+A packet with a long header is sampled in the same way, noting that multiple
+QUIC packets might be included in the same UDP datagram and that each one is
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<p>Shouldn't <code>2</code> be <code>6</code>? There are the type octet, version (4 octets), CILs (1 octets).</p>

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> @@ -942,16 +942,28 @@ Packet number protection is applied after packet protection is applied (see
 encryption algorithm.
 
 In sampling the packet ciphertext, the packet number length is assumed to be the

Shouldn't "packet number length" be "sample_offset"?

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1389#discussion_r190769303">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -942,16 +942,28 @@ Packet number protection is applied after packet protection is applied (see
 encryption algorithm.
 
 In sampling the packet ciphertext, the packet number length is assumed to be the
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> @@ -942,16 +942,28 @@ Packet number protection is applied after packet protection is applied (see
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No, but I see how this text is confusing, I'll rephrase and we can try again.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1389#discussion_r190770279">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -942,16 +942,28 @@ Packet number protection is applied after packet protection is applied (see
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<p>No, but I see how this text is confusing, I'll rephrase and we can try again.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/issue1387
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/10df2aba8abf129badd3ebfdc0e74b73de3d0eb4
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-05-25 (Fri, 25 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md

  Log Message:
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  Rephrase the description of sampled ciphertext

This was missing a few things, which made it confusing.



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10df2ab  Rephrase the description of sampled ciphertext


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The transport-12 draft removed the two "Short Packet Type" fields, but this paragraph remains at the end of Section 4.2:

> The packet type in a short header currently determines only the size of the packet number field.  Additional types can be used to signal the presence of other fields.

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<p>The transport-12 draft removed the two "Short Packet Type" fields, but this paragraph remains at the end of Section 4.2:</p>
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<p>The packet type in a short header currently determines only the size of the packet number field.  Additional types can be used to signal the presence of other fields.</p>
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There are lots of ways that a peer can mess up with hq, but no generic error codes for cases that the spec doesn't cover with a specific error code.  I could come up with a list, but it's a big pile already.

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<p>There are lots of ways that a peer can mess up with hq, but no generic error codes for cases that the spec doesn't cover with a specific error code.  I could come up with a list, but it's a big pile already.</p>

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I've not seen this in the past. I don't have any issue with this, since employer names are present up at the top anyways, but is this practice becoming common now?

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<p>I've not seen this in the past. I don't have any issue with this, since employer names are present up at the top anyways, but is this practice becoming common now?</p>

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@martinthomson : are you saying that a decoder can't rely exclusively on this ack mechanism or risk deadlock -- eg: if largest reference is less than base index the decoder should be sure to ack the remainder.  Or something else?

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: bac3e93d2c65b9872f3019a1ab4f002657bf8c71
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  Changed paths:
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  Update Buck's contact info (#1384)

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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  Changed paths:
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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/adb73bf06e181c800623f81bc35380200b787058
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  Date:   2018-05-25 (Fri, 25 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Adds subheadings for post-base instructions (#1366)

These are different enough that they deserve a heading.  And some fixups on the diagrams.



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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 072fc1e5d5e23beefd3e22e283f3399141d8332d
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/072fc1e5d5e23beefd3e22e283f3399141d8332d
  Author: Mike Bishop <mbishop@evequefou.be>
  Date:   2018-05-25 (Fri, 25 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md

  Log Message:
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  Core concepts for QPACK (#1357)

* Core concepts

* Re-level sections, Martin's comments

* Alan's comments

* Blow out table, blow up connection



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I don't recall seeing this before. Generally, the IETF theory is that we participate as individuals.

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<p>I don't recall seeing this before. Generally, the IETF theory is that we participate as individuals.</p>

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It's in 7540, where @martinthomson changed jobs mid-spec, and I've been using the same text for the drafts that started before I changed. It's certainly not obligatory, but I thought it was courteous since that employer no longer gets the headline spot.

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MikeBishop commented on this pull request.



> @@ -941,17 +941,34 @@ Packet number protection is applied after packet protection is applied (see
 {{aead}}).  The ciphertext of the packet is sampled and used as input to an
 encryption algorithm.
 
-In sampling the packet ciphertext, the packet number length is assumed to be the
-smaller of the maximum possible packet number encoding (4 octets), or the size
-of the protected packet minus the minimum expansion for the AEAD.  For example,
-the sampled ciphertext for a packet with a short header can be determined by:
+In sampling the packet ciphertext, the packet number length is assumed to be
+either 4 octets (its maximum possible encoded length), unless there is

Either implies two options. I'd just drop it. 

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<p><b>@MikeBishop</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1389#discussion_r191060238">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -941,17 +941,34 @@ Packet number protection is applied after packet protection is applied (see
 {{aead}}).  The ciphertext of the packet is sampled and used as input to an
 encryption algorithm.
 
-In sampling the packet ciphertext, the packet number length is assumed to be the
-smaller of the maximum possible packet number encoding (4 octets), or the size
-of the protected packet minus the minimum expansion for the AEAD.  For example,
-the sampled ciphertext for a packet with a short header can be determined by:
+In sampling the packet ciphertext, the packet number length is assumed to be
+either 4 octets (its maximum possible encoded length), unless there is
</pre>
<p>Either implies two options. I'd just drop it.</p>

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My point was that unless we require encoders to understand this "implicit" or indirect acknowledgement, then we risk them getting into a situation where the decoder thinks that it acknowledged something, but the encoder still believes it to be outstanding.

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<p>My point was that unless we require encoders to understand this "implicit" or indirect acknowledgement, then we risk them getting into a situation where the decoder thinks that it acknowledged something, but the encoder still believes it to be outstanding.</p>

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"I think that's worth calling out in the description of the Dynamic Table Size Update instruction." - just a few words noting that the change isn't important from the perspective of the encoder, so it doesn't get acknowledged, except transitively.

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That was my call then.  It's not a requirement, nor expected.  (I spent a significant amount of time on the spec while at Microsoft, most of the time if I remember rightly, and I thought it appropriate).  In this case, this would be Buck's choice, but I would default to not including the extra text.

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Hi, 
About Stateless Reset, on one side you have : 
> A single static key can be used across all connections to the same endpoint by
 generating the proof using a second iteration of a preimage-resistant function
that takes three inputs: the static key, the connection ID chosen by the
endpoint (see {{connection-id}}), and an instance identifier.

But on the other side (section about Connection IDs) : 
> Short headers only include the Destination Connection ID and omit the explicit
length.  The length of the Destination Connection ID field is expected to be
known to endpoints.

So if the server loose state, how do you retrieve the Destination Connection Id from a short header ?
Is it mandatory for an endpoint to use the same length for all CIDs it uses and to be able to remind this length after a hard reboot ? 

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<p>Hi,<br>
About Stateless Reset, on one side you have :</p>
<blockquote>
<p>A single static key can be used across all connections to the same end=
point by<br>
generating the proof using a second iteration of a preimage-resistant fun=
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that takes three inputs: the static key, the connection ID chosen by the<=
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endpoint (see {{connection-id}}), and an instance identifier.</p>
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<p>But on the other side (section about Connection IDs) :</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Short headers only include the Destination Connection ID and omit the =
explicit<br>
length.  The length of the Destination Connection ID field is expected to=
 be<br>
known to endpoints.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>So if the server loose state, how do you retrieve the Destination Conn=
ection Id from a short header ?<br>
Is it mandatory for an endpoint to use the same length for all CIDs it us=
es and to be able to remind this length after a hard reboot ?</p>
<p>('ve been reading your work and discussions since recently, great proj=
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@Pascalh2001 you could imagine one server cluster settling on 16-bit identifiers throughout, and another cluster that uses a 4-bit type prefix from which the length can be derived, and a third cluster that register connection ID's in an in-memory database.

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@gloinul pushed 1 commit.

fc94546  Added textual description of ECN-CE indicating congestion events.


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<p><a href="https://github.com/gloinul" class="user-mention">@gloinul</a> pushed 1 commit.</p>

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Yes, if we allow decoders to do this then it's a MUST for encoders to support it.

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<p>Yes, if we allow decoders to do this then it's a MUST for encoders to support it.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/ecn
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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  Date:   2018-05-18 (Fri, 18 May 2018)

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  Log Message:
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  According to text in wiki. Some MD fixes to get right formating.


  Commit: b50fe189950d125616fbf047423c9d7c6cdd1840
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  Date:   2018-05-18 (Fri, 18 May 2018)

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  Log Message:
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  Modified proposed text to integrate better and take care of issues around connection migration, ensure more straightforward checks.


  Commit: 57278fefca27545c0f1e0131da9b76f45847e4e4
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  Author: gloinul <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com>
  Date:   2018-05-21 (Mon, 21 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Fixed a typo on anchor creation


  Commit: 44a70f83faba4c0f82e404ed94397aa9f40c24a7
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/44a70f83faba4c0f82e404ed94397aa9f40c24a7
  Author: gloinul <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com>
  Date:   2018-05-22 (Tue, 22 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  According to text in wiki. Some MD fixes to get right formating.


  Commit: afd15f2900259dc63adfa639d3205e4a2b0740ce
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/afd15f2900259dc63adfa639d3205e4a2b0740ce
  Author: gloinul <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com>
  Date:   2018-05-22 (Tue, 22 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Modified proposed text to integrate better and take care of issues around connection migration, ensure more straightforward checks.


  Commit: da6812728424cc31a1c20dfd8e7a7278531b081b
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/da6812728424cc31a1c20dfd8e7a7278531b081b
  Author: gloinul <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com>
  Date:   2018-05-22 (Tue, 22 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Fixed a typo on anchor creation


  Commit: a9755ce6b9d12d20dea492cf53311396620678af
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a9755ce6b9d12d20dea492cf53311396620678af
  Author: gloinul <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com>
  Date:   2018-05-22 (Tue, 22 May 2018)

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  Merge branch 'ecn' of https://github.com/gloinul/base-drafts into ecn


  Commit: 3a95c40006b42f2982dd0614133c1df976c58cdc
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3a95c40006b42f2982dd0614133c1df976c58cdc
  Author: gloinul <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com>
  Date:   2018-05-22 (Tue, 22 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Clarified that ACK or ACK_ECN can be used for acknowledgment in handshake. Clarified what the first packets that can be marked as ECT are in a connection.


  Commit: 12b1054783a4472aa9ec49eea889c087b1286d7c
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/12b1054783a4472aa9ec49eea889c087b1286d7c
  Author: gloinul <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com>
  Date:   2018-05-22 (Tue, 22 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Added ECN intro paragraph. Various editorial improvements of ECN text.


  Commit: bfe80d5d05622f3c2fc13a890ce67256e7693183
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/bfe80d5d05622f3c2fc13a890ce67256e7693183
  Author: gloinul <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com>
  Date:   2018-05-22 (Tue, 22 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Fixed bullet list, Added parenthis around section refs.


  Commit: 88f76dc5db467f42addaae270548c19a86e4f2d4
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/88f76dc5db467f42addaae270548c19a86e4f2d4
  Author: gloinul <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com>
  Date:   2018-05-22 (Tue, 22 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

  Log Message:
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  Fixed indentation and formating


  Commit: f14134fff1963dfe2660b446cad1bab53922e02e
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f14134fff1963dfe2660b446cad1bab53922e02e
  Author: gloinul <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com>
  Date:   2018-05-22 (Tue, 22 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Spelling fixed


  Commit: 71c2794fcb6427d72678f7b6604fd32cbf7247e9
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/71c2794fcb6427d72678f7b6604fd32cbf7247e9
  Author: gloinul <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com>
  Date:   2018-05-24 (Thu, 24 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Rewrote the ECN check algorithm for connection migration to be robust.


  Commit: 2ff5ac9aacbe0e62408b21290da73849675693c9
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2ff5ac9aacbe0e62408b21290da73849675693c9
  Author: gloinul <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com>
  Date:   2018-05-24 (Thu, 24 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Removed trailing spaces.


  Commit: 19d3b53be3d3729bee1f7ec296f51e8ad64d35db
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/19d3b53be3d3729bee1f7ec296f51e8ad64d35db
  Author: gloinul <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com>
  Date:   2018-05-24 (Thu, 24 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Fixed trailing spaces in recovery.


  Commit: f71e93395c552cf4a2b2b6c4a4be050d5cd0e3ee
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f71e93395c552cf4a2b2b6c4a4be050d5cd0e3ee
  Author: gloinul <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com>
  Date:   2018-05-24 (Thu, 24 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

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  Rewraped text in both recovery and transport. Added a new sub-section on continous verification.


  Commit: fc945461c759b99307ca848a13523ce384adf508
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fc945461c759b99307ca848a13523ce384adf508
  Author: gloinul <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com>
  Date:   2018-05-28 (Mon, 28 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

  Log Message:
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  Added textual description of ECN-CE indicating congestion events.


  Commit: 66505a3259ef89acf65f88618358fb9568de255f
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/66505a3259ef89acf65f88618358fb9568de255f
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-05-29 (Tue, 29 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Editorial fixes


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@gloinul, thanks for putting this together.  I have opened a pull request on your repo that you should check and merge.  I've fixed typos and the build-related problems.  Once we're done with that, we can talk about the other editorial comments I have for you.

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  Branch: refs/heads/issue1390
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 2ad20ca7f12a7bdcce114b5a540fdd36b6333f5d
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Closes #1390.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1392

-- Commit Summary --

  * Remove paragraph on short packet type

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (5)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #1390.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="326470270" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1390" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1390">#1390</a>.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  Branch: refs/heads/issue1387
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  Changed paths:
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The issue here is that it is impossible to find the end of the packet because the end of the packet is used to determine what octets to sample for packet number protection, and the length of the packet number is unknown until packet number protection is removed.  This was fixed by including the packet number in the length field.  This will require notes in the change log.

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<p>The issue here is that it is impossible to find the end of the packet =
because the end of the packet is used to determine what octets to sample =
for packet number protection, and the length of the packet number is unkn=
own until packet number protection is removed.  This was fixed by includi=
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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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  Date:   2018-05-25 (Fri, 25 May 2018)

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  Log Message:
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  Make the packet number encryption sampling clearer

Fixes #1387.


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  Include packet number in the length field for long headers

This ensures that the packet number encryption can work because that relies on knowing where the end of the packet is.

This means that packet coalescing in -12 was busted.


  Commit: c408ba49093c53bb2c2fcc2b8ec0d7a84175daa8
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  Missed version


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  Date:   2018-05-25 (Fri, 25 May 2018)

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  Rephrase the description of sampled ciphertext

This was missing a few things, which made it confusing.


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  Date:   2018-05-29 (Tue, 29 May 2018)

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  Remove either


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  Merge pull request #1389 from quicwg/issue1387

Make the packet number encryption sampling clearer


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-- Commit Summary --

  * Retransmit stream data, not stream frames

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (2)

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@ianswett I found this branch.  Is this worth merging?  (It looks fine to me...)

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<p><a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-user-id="20072817" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/ianswett">@ianswett</a> I found this branch.  Is this worth merging?  (It looks fine to me...)</p>

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Just to try to close on this, the transformation is negotiated, along with the version number.  That's the ultimate solution here.

But that's not the ask here, from what I can tell.  This appears to be asking whether the feature could be made optional, and at the discretion of the server.

@pravb, if you think that we need to resolve this issue, I'd suggest that you ask for some time on the agenda in Kista.

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cat draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md | sed -e 's/{DATE}/2018-05-25/g' | sed -e 's/draft-ietf-quic-http-latest/draft-ietf-quic-http/g; s/draft-ietf-quic-invariants-latest/draft-ietf-quic-invariants/g; s/draft-ietf-quic-recovery-latest/draft-ietf-quic-recovery/g; s/draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp-latest/draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp/g; s/draft-ietf-quic-tls-latest/draft-ietf-quic-tls/g; s/draft-ietf-quic-transport-latest/draft-ietf-quic-transport/g;' | kramdown-rfc2629 > draft-ietf-quic-qpack.xml
*** overwriting QUIC-HTTP
*** don't know how to expand ref QUIC-HTTP
/home/idci/.cache/xml2rfc/reference.I-D.ietf-quic-transport.xml: fetching
xml2rfc -q draft-ietf-quic-qpack.xml -o draft-ietf-quic-qpack.txt --text
ERROR: Unable to validate the XML document: draft-ietf-quic-qpack.xml
 <string>: Line 93: IDREF attribute target references an unknown ID "QUIC-HTTP"
 <string>: Line 799: IDREF attribute target references an unknown ID "QUIC-HTTP"
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*** overwriting QUIC-HTTP
*** don't know how to expand ref QUIC-HTTP
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xml2rfc -q draft-ietf-quic-qpack.xml -o draft-ietf-quic-qpack.txt --text
ERROR: Unable to validate the XML document: draft-ietf-quic-qpack.xml
 &lt;string&gt;: Line 93: IDREF attribute target references an unknown ID "QUIC-HTTP"
 &lt;string&gt;: Line 799: IDREF attribute target references an unknown ID "QUIC-HTTP"
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<p>Fixed in <a class="commit-link" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6a3c0b40d74a109b86580955bd914ab91b5b6284"><tt>6a3c0b4</tt></a></p>

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@gloinul pushed 2 commits.

66505a3  Editorial fixes
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<p><a href="https://github.com/gloinul" class="user-mention">@gloinul</a> pushed 2 commits.</p>

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I created some slides to help frame some of the issue discussion.

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<p>I created some slides to help frame some of the issue discussion.</p>
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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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<p>Turns out there's a three way squat on TLS's ExtensionType values <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="191636927" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/26" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/26">#26</a>.  We should move off of it.</p>

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<p><b>@ianswett</b> approved this pull request.</p>



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<p>Yup, LGTM.</p>

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@gloinul pushed 1 commit.

28ef4c1  Editing some formulations. Rewraping more text


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<p><a href="https://github.com/gloinul" class="user-mention">@gloinul</a> pushed 1 commit.</p>

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Fine by me.  @afrind, should I revert the commit, or would you like to?

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<p>Fine by me.  <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-user-id="8259689" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/afrind">@afrind</a>, should I revert the commit, or would you like to?</p>

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  https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/pull/39

-- Commit Summary --

  * Added load balancer draft

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    M interim-18-06/agenda.md (1)

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<p>I would lean toward acknowledging Google's support.</p>

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-- Commit Summary --

  * Key of AES-128 is 16 bytes, not 12 bytes.

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (2)

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Key of AES-128 is 16 bytes, not 12 bytes.</li>
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<h4>File Changes</h4>
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ekr approved this pull request.

Picky picky picky.

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<p><b>@ekr</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<p>Picky picky picky.</p>
<p>LGTM!</p>

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Fixes #1391.
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  * Add general protocol error

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    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (6)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #1391.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="326477015" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1391" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1391">#1391</a>.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/strike_the_colors
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  Changed paths:
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@MikeBishop pushed 1 commit.

0b3c18f  Stray assumptions of control stream ID


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Fixes #1388.
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  * Remove Flags

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (64)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #1388.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="326303545" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1388" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1388">#1388</a>.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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Let's go fully experimental.  How about: 0xffa5 (drawn from /dev/urandom).  PR inbound.

Note that there is zero chance of actual collision in practice, but this makes the TLS stack unnecessarily tricky.

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<p>Let's go fully experimental.  How about: 0xffa5 (drawn from /dev/urandom).  PR inbound.</p>
<p>Note that there is zero chance of actual collision in practice, but this makes the TLS stack unnecessarily tricky.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/tls-extension-ffa5
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  Date:   2018-05-30 (Wed, 30 May 2018)

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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  Changed paths:
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  Remove paragraph on short packet type

Closes #1390.


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  Merge pull request #1392 from quicwg/issue1390

Remove paragraph on short packet type


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martinthomson approved this pull request.

Yep, this is good.  I didn't check that you hit every frame type properly, but it looks like you did.

> @@ -614,6 +595,20 @@ The flags defined are:
 
 The PRIORITY frame payload has the following fields:
 
+  Flags:
+  : An eight-bit field containing flags.  The flags defined are:

You should explicitly say that other flags must be zero on sending and either must be ignored on receipt or must be error if non-zero.

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<p>Yep, this is good.  I didn't check that you hit every frame type properly, but it looks like you did.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1398#discussion_r191619390">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -614,6 +595,20 @@ The flags defined are:
 
 The PRIORITY frame payload has the following fields:
 
+  Flags:
+  : An eight-bit field containing flags.  The flags defined are:
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<p>You should explicitly say that other flags must be zero on sending and either must be ignored on receipt or must be error if non-zero.</p>

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One thing that you might consider doing either as part of this or as a followup is changing the text about extensions to explain that an alternative to using a frame type a unidirectional stream type might work. 

For instance, I wonder if CERTIFICATE might be better suited to a stream than a frame.  The head-of-line it creates might be minor now that header compression is off the control stream in QUIC, but it could still interfere with itself and maybe a little with PRIORITY frames.

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Martin makes a good point, I kind of agree but thinking this through for something else I ask the question "what makes this an extension to HTTP"? To elaborate, if all we are doing is reserving some of QUICs streams to sit independently alongside HTTP request/response, then what of HTTP does this extend?

I don't think an answer is hard, nor required but this is yet another variable to consider (and there is not much guidance) on how to select an extension format.

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Ted observed that it might be wise to include my name.  A few other minor tweaks.
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-- Commit Summary --

  * Update slides (include my name)

-- File Changes --

    M interim-18-06/misc-issues.pdf (0)

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<p>Ted observed that it might be wise to include my name.  A few other minor tweaks.</p>

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<h4>You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:</h4>
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href='https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/pull/40'>https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/pull/40</a></p>

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To be less vague, consider how WebSockets could be implemented in QUIC with this unidirectional stream approach.

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<p>To be less vague, consider how WebSockets could be implemented in QUIC with this unidirectional stream approach.</p>

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I'm sure that this could be better, but here you go.

Closes #1370.
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<p>I'm sure that this could be better, but here you go.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #1370.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="325287271" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1370" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1370">#1370</a>.</p>

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This builds on #1399, because I realized that it would be good to point out that there is no implicit acknowledgment of header table updates here.

Closes #1371.
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  * Acknowledge stream resets too

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md (30)

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<p>This builds on <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="327550984" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1399" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1399">#1399</a>, because I realized that it would be good to point out that there is no implicit acknowledgment of header table updates here.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #1371.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="325291776" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1371" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1371">#1371</a>.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/no-ack-table-size-changes
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: ab8e1c3c238009cfb25d15ac37d8461d8f4b870a
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  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-05-30 (Wed, 30 May 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Dynamic table resize doesn't get acknowledged

Closes #1365.



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I'm going to abandon this one.  We discussed it and decided that LR is better as the first.  It reduces the complexity of the blocking code by a smidge.  I'll change my code.

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<p>I'm going to abandon this one.  We discussed it and decided that LR is better as the first.  It reduces the complexity of the blocking code by a smidge.  I'll change my code.</p>

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Closed #1362.

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Closes #1365.
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  * Dynamic table resize doesn't get acknowledged

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    M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md (5)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #1365.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="324795551" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1365" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1365">#1365</a>.</p>

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  <li>Dynamic table resize doesn&#39;t get acknowledged</li>
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Closes #1395.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1402

-- Commit Summary --

  * Set TLS extension codepoint to 0xffa5

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (7)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #1395.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="327305127" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1395" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1395">#1395</a>.</p>

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  <li>Set TLS extension codepoint to 0xffa5</li>
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    <strong>M</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1402/files#diff-0">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>
    (7)
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  <li><a href='https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1402.patch'>https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1402.patch</a></li>
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My thought had been that things which the sender has in hand all at once should be frames, while things which develop over long stretches should be a stream.  Of course, that's all in the eye of the beholder, but it would argue for an ALTSVC frame but a QPACK stream.

I think the thing this extends of HTTP is that the HTTP implementation owns the full set of QUIC streams.  If an HTTP plugin chooses to pipe a stream off to some secondary function, that's its prerogative.

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I made some changes in #1363 to the explanation of how these are encoded because I found the explanation baffling.  Here's that text, without the swap of the two values.

Now that I've read this 100 times, I think that it doesn't change anything material.  It does have one change: making sign=1, delta=0 a decoder error.  We could reclaim a bit by making the formula more complex, but that's a hard trade-off.
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  * Seek more clarify on Largest Reference/Base Index encoding

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    M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md (40)

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<p>I made some changes in <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="324768857" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1363" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1363">#1363</a> to the explanation of how these are encoded because I found the explanation baffling.  Here's that text, without the swap of the two values.</p>
<p>Now that I've read this 100 times, I think that it doesn't change anything material.  It does have one change: making sign=1, delta=0 a decoder error.  We could reclaim a bit by making the formula more complex, but that's a hard trade-off.</p>

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I like Mike's view here: if it's discrete and finite always, use a frame.  They are easier to use.

If it might run on continuously, use a stream.

Other factors might change that though: ordering relative to other activity often forces things into being frames.  And head of line blocking concerns might push towards a stream.  Even a small, discrete message might need to sit in a receive buffer until some condition is fulfilled, which you don't want to have blocking an important stream.

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I'm inclined to follow this PR with a separate editorial one expounding on when you might want to use each.  However, this one is parked for the coming week or two, so I might create that one before this one lands.

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<p>I'm inclined to follow this PR with a separate editorial one expounding on when you might want to use each.  However, this one is parked for the coming week or two, so I might create that one before this one lands.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/http_unidirectional
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  Date:   2018-05-29 (Tue, 29 May 2018)

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  WIP: Unidirectional stream headers


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  Date:   2018-05-29 (Tue, 29 May 2018)

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  Critical streams


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  Date:   2018-05-29 (Tue, 29 May 2018)

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  Introduce stream terms


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  Log Message:
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  Fix ref breakage, again


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  Date:   2018-05-29 (Tue, 29 May 2018)

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  Stray assumptions of control stream ID


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kazuho commented on this pull request.



>  
+The keys for the remaining encryption level are computed in the same
+fashion as the corresponding TLS keys (see {{TLS13}}; Section 7),
+except that the label for HKDF-Expand-Label uses the prefix "quic "
+rather than "tls 13". The purpose of this change is to provide key
+separation between TLS and QUIC, so that TLS stacks can avoid
+exposing TLS record protection keys.

I would like to see two clarifications here.

Am I correct in assuming that we would be using a modified version of HKDF-Expand-Label (that uses "quic " as the prefix) only when calculating the traffic keys? The other interpretation would be that we would be using the modified version for all cases (e.g. in Derive-Secret, when calculating the finished key). My preference goes to the former considering the fact that we are trying to change the traffic layer (i.e. TLS record) only.

The second issue is that the text seem to state that the non-modified version of HKDF-Expand-Label will be used for calculating the Initial Secret. I'd assume that it is a defect of the text.

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<p><b>@kazuho</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1377#discussion_r191666980">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
+The keys for the remaining encryption level are computed in the same
+fashion as the corresponding TLS keys (see {{TLS13}}; Section 7),
+except that the label for HKDF-Expand-Label uses the prefix &quot;quic &quot;
+rather than &quot;tls 13&quot;. The purpose of this change is to provide key
+separation between TLS and QUIC, so that TLS stacks can avoid
+exposing TLS record protection keys.
</pre>
<p>I would like to see two clarifications here.</p>
<p>Am I correct in assuming that we would be using a modified version of HKDF-Expand-Label (that uses "quic " as the prefix) only when calculating the traffic keys? The other interpretation would be that we would be using the modified version for all cases (e.g. in Derive-Secret, when calculating the finished key). My preference goes to the former considering the fact that we are trying to change the traffic layer (i.e. TLS record) only.</p>
<p>The second issue is that the text seem to state that the non-modified version of HKDF-Expand-Label will be used for calculating the Initial Secret. I'd assume that it is a defect of the text.</p>

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So I made a typo earlier and meant to write "is hypothetical feature X an extension of HTTP" rather than imply the changes on this PR.

Nonetheless I think we are the same page. The proposal SGTM.

For the WebSocket example it could be considered in terms of an application layer multiplexing that is boot strapped by a HTTP request. The sinple design choice would be to keep it on a bidirectional stream (as in H2), something more exotic would be to launch the request on a unidirectional stream and expect a paired response on a different uni stream.

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<p>So I made a typo earlier and meant to write "is hypothetical feature X=
 an extension of HTTP" rather than imply the changes on this PR.</p>
<p>Nonetheless I think we are the same page. The proposal SGTM.</p>
<p>For the WebSocket example it could be considered in terms of an applic=
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gloinul commented on this pull request.



> +In general, the rules for which data can appear in packets of which
+encryption level are the same in QUIC as in TLS over TCP:
+
+- CRYPTO_HS frames MAY appear in packets of any encryption level.
+- CONNECTION_CLOSE and CRYPTO_CLOSE MAY appear in packets of any
+  encryption level other than 0-RTT.
+- PADDING and PING frames MAY appear in packets of any encryption level.
+- ACK frames MAY appear in packets of any encryption level, but
+  MUST only acknowledge packets which appeared in that encryption
+  level.
+- STREAM frames MUST ONLY appear in the 0-RTT and 1-RTT levels.
+- All other frame types MUST only appear at the 1-RTT levels.
+
+Because packets may be reordered on the wire, QUIC uses the packet
+type to indicate which level a given packet was encrypted
+under [TODO: Table needed here?]. When multiple packets of

Please add a table for clarity. Frame types and Packet Types are after all two dimensions and clarity on how encryption level to packet type needs to be clear. And it isn't currently.

>  
-If 0-RTT is not attempted, then the client does not send packets protected by
-the 0-RTT key (@0).  In that case, the only key transition on the client is from
-handshake packets (@H) to 1-RTT protection (@1), which happens after it sends
-its final set of TLS handshake messages.
+~~~
+{: #quic-tls-handshake title="QUIC Handshake"}

Is it possible to include packet types in the above diagram, not only the key's symbols? 

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<p><b>@gloinul</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1377#discussion_r191693269">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +In general, the rules for which data can appear in packets of which
+encryption level are the same in QUIC as in TLS over TCP:
+
+- CRYPTO_HS frames MAY appear in packets of any encryption level.
+- CONNECTION_CLOSE and CRYPTO_CLOSE MAY appear in packets of any
+  encryption level other than 0-RTT.
+- PADDING and PING frames MAY appear in packets of any encryption level.
+- ACK frames MAY appear in packets of any encryption level, but
+  MUST only acknowledge packets which appeared in that encryption
+  level.
+- STREAM frames MUST ONLY appear in the 0-RTT and 1-RTT levels.
+- All other frame types MUST only appear at the 1-RTT levels.
+
+Because packets may be reordered on the wire, QUIC uses the packet
+type to indicate which level a given packet was encrypted
+under [TODO: Table needed here?]. When multiple packets of
</pre>
<p>Please add a table for clarity. Frame types and Packet Types are after all two dimensions and clarity on how encryption level to packet type needs to be clear. And it isn't currently.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1377#discussion_r191693549">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-If 0-RTT is not attempted, then the client does not send packets protected by
-the 0-RTT key (@0).  In that case, the only key transition on the client is from
-handshake packets (@H) to 1-RTT protection (@1), which happens after it sends
-its final set of TLS handshake messages.
+~~~
+{: #quic-tls-handshake title=&quot;QUIC Handshake&quot;}
</pre>
<p>Is it possible to include packet types in the above diagram, not only the key's symbols?</p>

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ekr commented on this pull request.



>  
+The keys for the remaining encryption level are computed in the same
+fashion as the corresponding TLS keys (see {{TLS13}}; Section 7),
+except that the label for HKDF-Expand-Label uses the prefix "quic "
+rather than "tls 13". The purpose of this change is to provide key
+separation between TLS and QUIC, so that TLS stacks can avoid
+exposing TLS record protection keys.

Glad that you raised this. I was assuming the former. I believe the latter would be safe but I would love to heard from @ad-l on this point.

The second is just a bug.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1377#discussion_r191766355">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
+The keys for the remaining encryption level are computed in the same
+fashion as the corresponding TLS keys (see {{TLS13}}; Section 7),
+except that the label for HKDF-Expand-Label uses the prefix &quot;quic &quot;
+rather than &quot;tls 13&quot;. The purpose of this change is to provide key
+separation between TLS and QUIC, so that TLS stacks can avoid
+exposing TLS record protection keys.
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<p>Glad that you raised this. I was assuming the former. I believe the latter would be safe but I would love to heard from <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-user-id="7765949" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/ad-l">@ad-l</a> on this point.</p>
<p>The second is just a bug.</p>

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>  
+The keys for the remaining encryption level are computed in the same
+fashion as the corresponding TLS keys (see {{TLS13}}; Section 7),
+except that the label for HKDF-Expand-Label uses the prefix "quic "
+rather than "tls 13". The purpose of this change is to provide key
+separation between TLS and QUIC, so that TLS stacks can avoid
+exposing TLS record protection keys.

Indeed, replacing all HKDF expansion labels in the TLS key schedule is the more conservative approach, as it prevents some secrets from being portable between TLS and QUIC. Most notably, if only the record key expansions use the "quic " label prefix, session tickets and PSK binders may potentially be re-used across the two protocols. /This is not necessarily a bad thing/ - a modular security model for the TLS handshake can in fact accommodate this a as feature and tolerate sessions that use a mix of record protocols. 

I would say it is up to the IETF to decide whether it wants the two protocols to be immiscible or not. If nobody sees value in mixed-transport sessions, going for disjoint labels is a cheap way to reduce the attack surface of both protocols and ensure they can be analyzed independently. 

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1377#discussion_r191815607">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
+The keys for the remaining encryption level are computed in the same
+fashion as the corresponding TLS keys (see {{TLS13}}; Section 7),
+except that the label for HKDF-Expand-Label uses the prefix &quot;quic &quot;
+rather than &quot;tls 13&quot;. The purpose of this change is to provide key
+separation between TLS and QUIC, so that TLS stacks can avoid
+exposing TLS record protection keys.
</pre>
<p>Indeed, replacing all HKDF expansion labels in the TLS key schedule is the more conservative approach, as it prevents some secrets from being portable between TLS and QUIC. Most notably, if only the record key expansions use the "quic " label prefix, session tickets and PSK binders may potentially be re-used across the two protocols. /This is not necessarily a bad thing/ - a modular security model for the TLS handshake can in fact accommodate this a as feature and tolerate sessions that use a mix of record protocols.</p>
<p>I would say it is up to the IETF to decide whether it wants the two protocols to be immiscible or not. If nobody sees value in mixed-transport sessions, going for disjoint labels is a cheap way to reduce the attack surface of both protocols and ensure they can be analyzed independently.</p>

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MikeBishop approved this pull request.

Minor stuff, except for where you obviously didn't type what you meant.

>  
-    baseIndex = largestReference + deltaBaseIndex
+To save space, Base Index is encoded as a relative to the Base Index using a

relative to Largest Reference

>  
-If the encoder inserted entries to the table while the encoding the block,
-Largest Reference will be greater than Base Index, so deltaBaseIndex will be
-negative and encoded with S=1.  If the block did not reference the most recent
-entry in the table and did not insert any new entries, Largest Reference will be
-less than Base Index, so deltaBaseIndex will be positive and encoded with S=0.
-When Largest Reference and Base Index are equal, deltaBaseIndex is 0 and encoded
-with S=0.
+That is, after turning a sign bit of 1 to -1 and 0 to 1, the absolute Base Index
+is:
+
+~~~
+    baseIndex = largestReference + sign * deltaBaseIndex

While order of operations makes this correct, it might be worth parentheses for clarity.

>  
-If the encoder inserted entries to the table while the encoding the block,
-Largest Reference will be greater than Base Index, so deltaBaseIndex will be
-negative and encoded with S=1.  If the block did not reference the most recent
-entry in the table and did not insert any new entries, Largest Reference will be
-less than Base Index, so deltaBaseIndex will be positive and encoded with S=0.
-When Largest Reference and Base Index are equal, deltaBaseIndex is 0 and encoded
-with S=0.
+That is, after turning a sign bit of 1 to -1 and 0 to 1, the absolute Base Index
+is:
+
+~~~
+    baseIndex = largestReference + sign * deltaBaseIndex
+~~~
+
+If the encoder inserted entries to the table while the encoding the header

I know I wrote the previous iteration of this text, but this is baking in the assumption that Base Index was fixed before encoding began (i.e. single-pass encoding).  Should that be called out?

> +~~~
+
+If the encoder inserted entries to the table while the encoding the header
+block, Largest Reference will be greater than Base Index, so the encoded
+difference is negative and the sign bit will be 1.  If the header block did not
+reference the most recent entry in the table and did not insert any new entries,
+Base Index will be greater than the Largest Reference, so the delta will be
+positive and the sign bit will be 0.
+
+When Largest Reference and Base Index are equal, the Delta Base Index is encoded
+with a zero sign bit.  A sign bit set to 1 when the Delta Base Index is 0 MUST
+be treated as a decoder error.
+
+A header block that does not reference the dynamic table can use any value for
+Base Index and Largest Reference; sending zero values for both fields is the
+most efficient.

You can use any value for Base Index, and zero is the most efficient.  I'd argue that zero for Largest Reference is probably a SHOULD, given that it has a defined meaning and isn't just used for relative indexing.

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<p><b>@MikeBishop</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<p>Minor stuff, except for where you obviously didn't type what you meant.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1403#discussion_r191844704">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-    baseIndex = largestReference + deltaBaseIndex
+To save space, Base Index is encoded as a relative to the Base Index using a
</pre>
<p>relative to Largest Reference</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1403#discussion_r191845068">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-If the encoder inserted entries to the table while the encoding the block,
-Largest Reference will be greater than Base Index, so deltaBaseIndex will be
-negative and encoded with S=1.  If the block did not reference the most recent
-entry in the table and did not insert any new entries, Largest Reference will be
-less than Base Index, so deltaBaseIndex will be positive and encoded with S=0.
-When Largest Reference and Base Index are equal, deltaBaseIndex is 0 and encoded
-with S=0.
+That is, after turning a sign bit of 1 to -1 and 0 to 1, the absolute Base Index
+is:
+
+~~~
+    baseIndex = largestReference + sign * deltaBaseIndex
</pre>
<p>While order of operations makes this correct, it might be worth parentheses for clarity.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1403#discussion_r191845805">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-If the encoder inserted entries to the table while the encoding the block,
-Largest Reference will be greater than Base Index, so deltaBaseIndex will be
-negative and encoded with S=1.  If the block did not reference the most recent
-entry in the table and did not insert any new entries, Largest Reference will be
-less than Base Index, so deltaBaseIndex will be positive and encoded with S=0.
-When Largest Reference and Base Index are equal, deltaBaseIndex is 0 and encoded
-with S=0.
+That is, after turning a sign bit of 1 to -1 and 0 to 1, the absolute Base Index
+is:
+
+~~~
+    baseIndex = largestReference + sign * deltaBaseIndex
+~~~
+
+If the encoder inserted entries to the table while the encoding the header
</pre>
<p>I know I wrote the previous iteration of this text, but this is baking in the assumption that Base Index was fixed before encoding began (i.e. single-pass encoding).  Should that be called out?</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1403#discussion_r191846857">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +~~~
+
+If the encoder inserted entries to the table while the encoding the header
+block, Largest Reference will be greater than Base Index, so the encoded
+difference is negative and the sign bit will be 1.  If the header block did not
+reference the most recent entry in the table and did not insert any new entries,
+Base Index will be greater than the Largest Reference, so the delta will be
+positive and the sign bit will be 0.
+
+When Largest Reference and Base Index are equal, the Delta Base Index is encoded
+with a zero sign bit.  A sign bit set to 1 when the Delta Base Index is 0 MUST
+be treated as a decoder error.
+
+A header block that does not reference the dynamic table can use any value for
+Base Index and Largest Reference; sending zero values for both fields is the
+most efficient.
</pre>
<p>You can use any value for Base Index, and zero is the most efficient.  I'd argue that zero for Largest Reference is probably a SHOULD, given that it has a defined meaning and isn't just used for relative indexing.</p>

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>=20=20
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<p>In <a href=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1403#discussion=
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I think we may need to specify this a little more precisely, either here or in a separate section.

There are two scenarios to care about:

- **Stream has partially-received data, then gets a RST_STREAM.**  Transport+decoder might abort any unread data and immediately surface the RST, or it might save the RST for the first gap in received data, if any.  If the decoder is reading the data, perhaps it SHOULD acknowledge any blocks that it processes, then MUST send the RSA when it will not consume any more header blocks.

- **Receiver decides to send a STOP_SENDING.**  HTTP implementation/decoder decide that no more data will be consumed from a stream for some reason.  Even without receiving the RST_STREAM the STOP_SENDING will trigger, the decoder should emit this at the point no more data will be consumed from the stream.

Maybe we should phrase it as being sent when no further data on a stream will be consumed, but the stream was not read to completion.  Then receipt of a RST_STREAM and issuing a STOP_SENDING are cases that will happen.

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<p>I think we may need to specify this a little more precisely, either he=
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<p>There are two scenarios to care about:</p>
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face the RST, or it might save the RST for the first gap in received data=
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MikeBishop requested changes on this pull request.

Before this change, the encoder simply kept an "Acknowledged" index that started at zero and incremented by the specified amount each time it received a TSS.

Now it needs to keep two things:  "Explicitly Acknowledged" and "Acknowledged".  When you receive a TSS, you increment Explicitly Acknowledged as before.  The actual Acknowledged state is the largest-seen value of Explicitly Acknowledged or an acknowledged Largest Reference.

We probably need to explicitly say that these implicit acknowledgements don't affect that the number in TSS is still since the last TSS.  (Unless we want the decoder to track what the encoder will have gathered from its acks, in which case it could.)

> @@ -523,6 +530,12 @@ blocks within a stream have been fully processed.
 ~~~~~~~~~~
 {:#fig-header-ack title="Header Acknowledgement"}
 
+An encoder MUST treat receipt of a Header Acknowledgment as also acknowledging
+any dynamic table entries that the header block referenced.  That is, this
+instruction is also processed as a Table Size Synchronize instruction with a
+value matching the Largest Reference of the corresponding header block.

Not quite, because TSS is a count of the inserts received since the last TSS, instead of an absolute index.

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<p><b>@MikeBishop</b> requested changes on this pull request.</p>

<p>Before this change, the encoder simply kept an "Acknowledged" index that started at zero and incremented by the specified amount each time it received a TSS.</p>
<p>Now it needs to keep two things:  "Explicitly Acknowledged" and "Acknowledged".  When you receive a TSS, you increment Explicitly Acknowledged as before.  The actual Acknowledged state is the largest-seen value of Explicitly Acknowledged or an acknowledged Largest Reference.</p>
<p>We probably need to explicitly say that these implicit acknowledgements don't affect that the number in TSS is still since the last TSS.  (Unless we want the decoder to track what the encoder will have gathered from its acks, in which case it could.)</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1399#discussion_r191864393">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -523,6 +530,12 @@ blocks within a stream have been fully processed.
 ~~~~~~~~~~
 {:#fig-header-ack title=&quot;Header Acknowledgement&quot;}
 
+An encoder MUST treat receipt of a Header Acknowledgment as also acknowledging
+any dynamic table entries that the header block referenced.  That is, this
+instruction is also processed as a Table Size Synchronize instruction with a
+value matching the Largest Reference of the corresponding header block.
</pre>
<p>Not quite, because TSS is a count of the inserts received since the last TSS, instead of an absolute index.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/strike_the_colors
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>  
+The keys for the remaining encryption level are computed in the same
+fashion as the corresponding TLS keys (see {{TLS13}}; Section 7),
+except that the label for HKDF-Expand-Label uses the prefix "quic "
+rather than "tls 13". The purpose of this change is to provide key
+separation between TLS and QUIC, so that TLS stacks can avoid
+exposing TLS record protection keys.

@ekr @ad-l Thank you for the guidelines. The impact of sharing the labels are now clear to me.

To me now it seems that one way of making the decision in QUIC would be to follow the precedent that is soon going to be set by DTLS 1.3.

If DTLS allows session resumption using a ticket obtained through a TLS connection, I do not see why QUIC should disallow it. If DTLS uses the same traffic key as TLS does, I do not see why QUIC cannot use it as well.

Is my understanding correct that  DTLS 1.3 uses the same label for all the cases?

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<p><b>@kazuho</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1377#discussion_r191956715">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
+The keys for the remaining encryption level are computed in the same
+fashion as the corresponding TLS keys (see {{TLS13}}; Section 7),
+except that the label for HKDF-Expand-Label uses the prefix &quot;quic &quot;
+rather than &quot;tls 13&quot;. The purpose of this change is to provide key
+separation between TLS and QUIC, so that TLS stacks can avoid
+exposing TLS record protection keys.
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<p><a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-user-id="1111457" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/ekr">@ekr</a> <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-user-id="7765949" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/ad-l">@ad-l</a> Thank you for the guidelines. The impact of sharing the labels are now clear to me.</p>
<p>To me now it seems that one way of making the decision in QUIC would be to follow the precedent that is soon going to be set by DTLS 1.3.</p>
<p>If DTLS allows session resumption using a ticket obtained through a TLS connection, I do not see why QUIC should disallow it. If DTLS uses the same traffic key as TLS does, I do not see why QUIC cannot use it as well.</p>
<p>Is my understanding correct that  DTLS 1.3 uses the same label for all the cases?</p>

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+The keys for the remaining encryption level are computed in the same
+fashion as the corresponding TLS keys (see {{TLS13}}; Section 7),
+except that the label for HKDF-Expand-Label uses the prefix "quic "
+rather than "tls 13". The purpose of this change is to provide key
+separation between TLS and QUIC, so that TLS stacks can avoid
+exposing TLS record protection keys.

Changing the labels means a future QUIC + TLS 1.4 will lose the version distinguisher, no? So that means that it will impede reuse of the analysis in different direction. If just changing the record-layer labels, that's probably fine since those secrets are derived from earlier versioned secrets. But that is a new detail that must be accounted for in the analysis. If changing the whole thing, then it's no longer obvious that TLS 1.4 will work smoothly.

I'm also not eager to have to route in logic to switch labels around everywhere. (See how the `[sender]_write_key`, `[sender]_write_iv`, and KeyUpdate derivations were tweaked so as not to incorporate the side, because the base secrets already did so. That turned out to be a surprisingly large simplification to the implementation.)

Record-layer labels are less of a big deal, but I'm a little confused how even changing them helps the protocols be analyzed independently. We're already splitting TLS apart at the record layer bits, so the record layer portions of the analysis already must be reworked or accounted for in some way. It doesn't seem like changing the labels reduces the contact points.

I agree that aligning with DTLS 1.3 makes sense, including the labels. It seems to be the same scenario: we share the handshake, but tease apart the record layer. (Is DTLS 1.3 changing the labels at all? I don't see any indication of it doing so, but maybe I missed it.)

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1377#discussion_r191960366">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
+The keys for the remaining encryption level are computed in the same
+fashion as the corresponding TLS keys (see {{TLS13}}; Section 7),
+except that the label for HKDF-Expand-Label uses the prefix &quot;quic &quot;
+rather than &quot;tls 13&quot;. The purpose of this change is to provide key
+separation between TLS and QUIC, so that TLS stacks can avoid
+exposing TLS record protection keys.
</pre>
<p>Changing the labels means a future QUIC + TLS 1.4 will lose the version distinguisher, no? So that means that it will impede reuse of the analysis in different direction. If just changing the record-layer labels, that's probably fine since those secrets are derived from earlier versioned secrets. But that is a new detail that must be accounted for in the analysis. If changing the whole thing, then it's no longer obvious that TLS 1.4 will work smoothly.</p>
<p>I'm also not eager to have to route in logic to switch labels around everywhere. (See how the <code>[sender]_write_key</code>, <code>[sender]_write_iv</code>, and KeyUpdate derivations were tweaked so as not to incorporate the side, because the base secrets already did so. That turned out to be a surprisingly large simplification to the implementation.)</p>
<p>Record-layer labels are less of a big deal, but I'm a little confused how even changing them helps the protocols be analyzed independently. We're already splitting TLS apart at the record layer bits, so the record layer portions of the analysis already must be reworked or accounted for in some way. It doesn't seem like changing the labels reduces the contact points.</p>
<p>I agree that aligning with DTLS 1.3 makes sense, including the labels. It seems to be the same scenario: we share the handshake, but tease apart the record layer. (Is DTLS 1.3 changing the labels at all? I don't see any indication of it doing so, but maybe I missed it.)</p>

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martinthomson commented on this pull request.



> @@ -523,6 +530,12 @@ blocks within a stream have been fully processed.
 ~~~~~~~~~~
 {:#fig-header-ack title="Header Acknowledgement"}
 
+An encoder MUST treat receipt of a Header Acknowledgment as also acknowledging
+any dynamic table entries that the header block referenced.  That is, this
+instruction is also processed as a Table Size Synchronize instruction with a
+value matching the Largest Reference of the corresponding header block.

Damn, really?  That's more efficient, I agree, but I completely missed that.  (My fault, not the spec.)  Since these are on the same stream, I think that we can make TSS incremental and avoid having two counters.

Now I have to fix my code...

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1399#discussion_r191968112">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -523,6 +530,12 @@ blocks within a stream have been fully processed.
 ~~~~~~~~~~
 {:#fig-header-ack title=&quot;Header Acknowledgement&quot;}
 
+An encoder MUST treat receipt of a Header Acknowledgment as also acknowledging
+any dynamic table entries that the header block referenced.  That is, this
+instruction is also processed as a Table Size Synchronize instruction with a
+value matching the Largest Reference of the corresponding header block.
</pre>
<p>Damn, really?  That's more efficient, I agree, but I completely missed that.  (My fault, not the spec.)  Since these are on the same stream, I think that we can make TSS incremental and avoid having two counters.</p>
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>  
 A stream that is reset might have multiple outstanding header blocks.  A decoder
-that receives a stream reset before the end of a stream generates a Stream Reset
-Acknowledgment instruction on the decoder stream.  This signals to the encoder
-that any references to the dynamic table are no longer outstanding.
+that receives a stream reset before the end of a stream generates a Stream
+Cancellation instruction on the decoder stream.  Similarly, a decoder that
+abandons reading of a stream need to signal this using the Stream Cancellation

need => needs

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<p><b>@MikeBishop</b> approved this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1400#discussion_r191982781">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
 A stream that is reset might have multiple outstanding header blocks.  A decoder
-that receives a stream reset before the end of a stream generates a Stream Reset
-Acknowledgment instruction on the decoder stream.  This signals to the encoder
-that any references to the dynamic table are no longer outstanding.
+that receives a stream reset before the end of a stream generates a Stream
+Cancellation instruction on the decoder stream.  Similarly, a decoder that
+abandons reading of a stream need to signal this using the Stream Cancellation
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> +~~~
+
+If the encoder inserted entries to the table while the encoding the header
+block, Largest Reference will be greater than Base Index, so the encoded
+difference is negative and the sign bit will be 1.  If the header block did not
+reference the most recent entry in the table and did not insert any new entries,
+Base Index will be greater than the Largest Reference, so the delta will be
+positive and the sign bit will be 0.
+
+When Largest Reference and Base Index are equal, the Delta Base Index is encoded
+with a zero sign bit.  A sign bit set to 1 when the Delta Base Index is 0 MUST
+be treated as a decoder error.
+
+A header block that does not reference the dynamic table can use any value for
+Base Index and Largest Reference; sending zero values for both fields is the
+most efficient.

Yeah, I considered that, but it's not a SHOULD really, especially since we have defined Largest Reference already (it's the largest absolute index in the block).  I'll adjust and let you decide if you want to merge.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1403#discussion_r191983189">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +~~~
+
+If the encoder inserted entries to the table while the encoding the header
+block, Largest Reference will be greater than Base Index, so the encoded
+difference is negative and the sign bit will be 1.  If the header block did not
+reference the most recent entry in the table and did not insert any new entries,
+Base Index will be greater than the Largest Reference, so the delta will be
+positive and the sign bit will be 0.
+
+When Largest Reference and Base Index are equal, the Delta Base Index is encoded
+with a zero sign bit.  A sign bit set to 1 when the Delta Base Index is 0 MUST
+be treated as a decoder error.
+
+A header block that does not reference the dynamic table can use any value for
+Base Index and Largest Reference; sending zero values for both fields is the
+most efficient.
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<p>Yeah, I considered that, but it's not a SHOULD really, especially since we have defined Largest Reference already (it's the largest absolute index in the block).  I'll adjust and let you decide if you want to merge.</p>

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79c6621  Plural, not plural


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> +~~~
+
+If the encoder inserted entries to the table while the encoding the header
+block, Largest Reference will be greater than Base Index, so the encoded
+difference is negative and the sign bit will be 1.  If the header block did not
+reference the most recent entry in the table and did not insert any new entries,
+Base Index will be greater than the Largest Reference, so the delta will be
+positive and the sign bit will be 0.
+
+When Largest Reference and Base Index are equal, the Delta Base Index is encoded
+with a zero sign bit.  A sign bit set to 1 when the Delta Base Index is 0 MUST
+be treated as a decoder error.
+
+A header block that does not reference the dynamic table can use any value for
+Base Index and Largest Reference; sending zero values for both fields is the
+most efficient.

Having no references and the value not being zero is a violation of what that field means.  More generally, I think a decoder that wanted to have an error case for "You didn't actually reference the Largest Reference" would be well within its rights, and we might want to either mention that and define the error code or explicitly prohibit that.

Alan's doc, his call.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1403#discussion_r191984683">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +~~~
+
+If the encoder inserted entries to the table while the encoding the header
+block, Largest Reference will be greater than Base Index, so the encoded
+difference is negative and the sign bit will be 1.  If the header block did not
+reference the most recent entry in the table and did not insert any new entries,
+Base Index will be greater than the Largest Reference, so the delta will be
+positive and the sign bit will be 0.
+
+When Largest Reference and Base Index are equal, the Delta Base Index is encoded
+with a zero sign bit.  A sign bit set to 1 when the Delta Base Index is 0 MUST
+be treated as a decoder error.
+
+A header block that does not reference the dynamic table can use any value for
+Base Index and Largest Reference; sending zero values for both fields is the
+most efficient.
</pre>
<p>Having no references and the value not being zero is a violation of what that field means.  More generally, I think a decoder that wanted to have an error case for "You didn't actually reference the Largest Reference" would be well within its rights, and we might want to either mention that and define the error code or explicitly prohibit that.</p>
<p>Alan's doc, his call.</p>

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> +~~~
+
+If the encoder inserted entries to the table while the encoding the header
+block, Largest Reference will be greater than Base Index, so the encoded
+difference is negative and the sign bit will be 1.  If the header block did not
+reference the most recent entry in the table and did not insert any new entries,
+Base Index will be greater than the Largest Reference, so the delta will be
+positive and the sign bit will be 0.
+
+When Largest Reference and Base Index are equal, the Delta Base Index is encoded
+with a zero sign bit.  A sign bit set to 1 when the Delta Base Index is 0 MUST
+be treated as a decoder error.
+
+A header block that does not reference the dynamic table can use any value for
+Base Index and Largest Reference; sending zero values for both fields is the
+most efficient.

Rather than bog this PR down, let's fix that separately.

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1403#discussion_r191985575">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +~~~
+
+If the encoder inserted entries to the table while the encoding the header
+block, Largest Reference will be greater than Base Index, so the encoded
+difference is negative and the sign bit will be 1.  If the header block did not
+reference the most recent entry in the table and did not insert any new entries,
+Base Index will be greater than the Largest Reference, so the delta will be
+positive and the sign bit will be 0.
+
+When Largest Reference and Base Index are equal, the Delta Base Index is encoded
+with a zero sign bit.  A sign bit set to 1 when the Delta Base Index is 0 MUST
+be treated as a decoder error.
+
+A header block that does not reference the dynamic table can use any value for
+Base Index and Largest Reference; sending zero values for both fields is the
+most efficient.
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<p>Rather than bog this PR down, let's fix that separately.</p>

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Clearly, a decoder is expected to fail decoding if Largest Reference is too small.  Chances are it will be referencing values that aren't in the table already.

But if the value is too big, should we let that pass, require a failure, or just permit a failure?  Policing this is a little annoying because you have to track the actual largest reference as you decode, so I'd be mildly against requiring failure, but don't care otherwise.

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<p>Clearly, a decoder is expected to fail decoding if Largest Reference is too small.  Chances are it will be referencing values that aren't in the table already.</p>
<p>But if the value is too big, should we let that pass, require a failure, or just permit a failure?  Policing this is a little annoying because you have to track the actual largest reference as you decode, so I'd be mildly against requiring failure, but don't care otherwise.</p>

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ekr commented on this pull request.



>  
+The keys for the remaining encryption level are computed in the same
+fashion as the corresponding TLS keys (see {{TLS13}}; Section 7),
+except that the label for HKDF-Expand-Label uses the prefix "quic "
+rather than "tls 13". The purpose of this change is to provide key
+separation between TLS and QUIC, so that TLS stacks can avoid
+exposing TLS record protection keys.

DTLS 1.3 uses the same labels. 

@davidben the rationale here was less about analysis than about being to build a TLS 1.3 stack that guaranteed that it would keep the *TLS* keys internally. And this was intended as a cheap way to do that. I'm not religious about it, but there was some enthusiasm for it on the design team, so I suggested it.

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<p><b>@ekr</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1377#discussion_r191988914">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
+The keys for the remaining encryption level are computed in the same
+fashion as the corresponding TLS keys (see {{TLS13}}; Section 7),
+except that the label for HKDF-Expand-Label uses the prefix &quot;quic &quot;
+rather than &quot;tls 13&quot;. The purpose of this change is to provide key
+separation between TLS and QUIC, so that TLS stacks can avoid
+exposing TLS record protection keys.
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<p>DTLS 1.3 uses the same labels.</p>
<p><a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-user-id="109690" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/davidben">@davidben</a> the rationale here was less about analysis than about being to build a TLS 1.3 stack that guaranteed that it would keep the <em>TLS</em> keys internally. And this was intended as a cheap way to do that. I'm not religious about it, but there was some enthusiasm for it on the design team, so I suggested it.</p>

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>  
+The keys for the remaining encryption level are computed in the same
+fashion as the corresponding TLS keys (see {{TLS13}}; Section 7),
+except that the label for HKDF-Expand-Label uses the prefix "quic "
+rather than "tls 13". The purpose of this change is to provide key
+separation between TLS and QUIC, so that TLS stacks can avoid
+exposing TLS record protection keys.

> the rationale here was less about analysis than about being to build a TLS 1.3 stack that guaranteed that it would keep the _TLS_ keys internally. And this was intended as a cheap way to do that. I'm not religious about it, but there was some enthusiasm for it on the design team, so I suggested it.

@ekr I remember having that discussion. OTOH, I do not recall discussing about _which_ (or that all) keys should be kept internally. It could be the case that the hesitation that some had was against sharing _one_ key between two stacks; an issue orthogonal to how we define the labels.

I think that we should discuss the issue in the working group to see what the concern is (or if such a concern really exists).

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1377#discussion_r191990843">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
+The keys for the remaining encryption level are computed in the same
+fashion as the corresponding TLS keys (see {{TLS13}}; Section 7),
+except that the label for HKDF-Expand-Label uses the prefix &quot;quic &quot;
+rather than &quot;tls 13&quot;. The purpose of this change is to provide key
+separation between TLS and QUIC, so that TLS stacks can avoid
+exposing TLS record protection keys.
</pre>
<blockquote>
<p>the rationale here was less about analysis than about being to build a TLS 1.3 stack that guaranteed that it would keep the <em>TLS</em> keys internally. And this was intended as a cheap way to do that. I'm not religious about it, but there was some enthusiasm for it on the design team, so I suggested it.</p>
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<p>I think that we should discuss the issue in the working group to see what the concern is (or if such a concern really exists).</p>

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>  
+The keys for the remaining encryption level are computed in the same
+fashion as the corresponding TLS keys (see {{TLS13}}; Section 7),
+except that the label for HKDF-Expand-Label uses the prefix "quic "
+rather than "tls 13". The purpose of this change is to provide key
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+exposing TLS record protection keys.

@ekr Ah, that makes sense. I think we should try to avoid bifurcating all the labels but the "exported" record keys will need a dedicated path anyway, so it's hopefully not a huge deal either way.

Though having it lose the versioning is a little odd. Should it be a different input to hkdf-expand-label instead?

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1377#discussion_r191992369">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
+The keys for the remaining encryption level are computed in the same
+fashion as the corresponding TLS keys (see {{TLS13}}; Section 7),
+except that the label for HKDF-Expand-Label uses the prefix &quot;quic &quot;
+rather than &quot;tls 13&quot;. The purpose of this change is to provide key
+separation between TLS and QUIC, so that TLS stacks can avoid
+exposing TLS record protection keys.
</pre>
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<p>Though having it lose the versioning is a little odd. Should it be a different input to hkdf-expand-label instead?</p>

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Packet duplication sometimes occur and it has a potential for affecting the ECN counter for what markings that arrive within a connection. Thus, it would be good if the requirements on how a QUIC implementation handle packets that are detected as duplicates. 

There also appear that there are current text in the transport draft that makes assumption about handling of duplicate packets:

6.10.4.1.  Detecting a Stateless Reset

   A client detects a potential stateless reset when a packet with a
   short header either cannot be decrypted or is marked as a duplicate
   packet.

The other mention of packet duplication, also pointing to an action that is this:

6.8.3.2.  Handling Address Spoofing by an On-path Attacker

   An on-path attacker could cause a spurious connection migration by
   copying and forwarding a packet with a spoofed address such that it
   arrives before the original packet.  The packet with the spoofed
   address will be seen to come from a migrating connection, and the
   original packet will be seen as a duplicate and dropped.

These two pieces appear to indicate that packet duplicates should:
   1. Be detected by receiver, at least within the window of PN between highest seen and some window into the past. 
  2. The packet marked as duplicate
  3. Duplicate are dropped, but only after having been somewhat processed (see 6.10.4.1).

To my understanding the smallest window a receiver could have for tracking packets, is what is in ACKs that hasn't been ACKed yet. But that could be extremely short into the past, which could be short in time, compared to the expected re-ordering or packet life time in the network. Independently of window size, if a packet would arrive with a PN that is prior to the current window the receiver have, the receiver has discard the state for the packet number, and thus can't determine if it was ACKed or not, and thus needs to be discarded without further processing. Is that correctly assumed. 

Thus, it would be good if these assumptions and needed functionality was collected in its own paragraphs somewhere in the specification. 

>From an ECN perspective, the current thinking is that the ECN marking of a duplicate will simply be ignored. We want to avoid adding duplicates in the counter, as it will increase the uncertainty of the validation of the correct marking. 



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<p>Packet duplication sometimes occur and it has a potential for affecting the ECN counter for what markings that arrive within a connection. Thus, it would be good if the requirements on how a QUIC implementation handle packets that are detected as duplicates.</p>
<p>There also appear that there are current text in the transport draft that makes assumption about handling of duplicate packets:</p>
<p>6.10.4.1.  Detecting a Stateless Reset</p>
<p>A client detects a potential stateless reset when a packet with a<br>
short header either cannot be decrypted or is marked as a duplicate<br>
packet.</p>
<p>The other mention of packet duplication, also pointing to an action that is this:</p>
<p>6.8.3.2.  Handling Address Spoofing by an On-path Attacker</p>
<p>An on-path attacker could cause a spurious connection migration by<br>
copying and forwarding a packet with a spoofed address such that it<br>
arrives before the original packet.  The packet with the spoofed<br>
address will be seen to come from a migrating connection, and the<br>
original packet will be seen as a duplicate and dropped.</p>
<p>These two pieces appear to indicate that packet duplicates should:</p>
<ol>
<li>Be detected by receiver, at least within the window of PN between highest seen and some window into the past.</li>
<li>The packet marked as duplicate</li>
<li>Duplicate are dropped, but only after having been somewhat processed (see 6.10.4.1).</li>
</ol>
<p>To my understanding the smallest window a receiver could have for tracking packets, is what is in ACKs that hasn't been ACKed yet. But that could be extremely short into the past, which could be short in time, compared to the expected re-ordering or packet life time in the network. Independently of window size, if a packet would arrive with a PN that is prior to the current window the receiver have, the receiver has discard the state for the packet number, and thus can't determine if it was ACKed or not, and thus needs to be discarded without further processing. Is that correctly assumed.</p>
<p>Thus, it would be good if these assumptions and needed functionality was collected in its own paragraphs somewhere in the specification.</p>
<p>From an ECN perspective, the current thinking is that the ECN marking of a duplicate will simply be ignored. We want to avoid adding duplicates in the counter, as it will increase the uncertainty of the validation of the correct marking.</p>

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I don't think we should require the decoder to fail the stream if it doesn't actually make a reference as large as Largest Reference.  Making it larger than needed will only delay decoding (possibly indefinitely).  I think it can only happen because there's a bug in the encoder or the encoder is attacking the decoder.  

It's seems odd to say the decoder MAY fail the stream/connection when this happens.  I feel like we should say it's an error or it's not.

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It *is* an error, but it's not required for compatibility that a decoder actually validate that it was correct.  Validating your peer isn't buggy and tempting deadlocks seems like a good way to improve the ecosystem, so I also think it should be permitted behavior.  Thus, I tend toward MAY.

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I think the logic is that, if the packet number appears to be a duplicate, you don't attempt decryption and treat it as if decryption failed.  Packets where decryption fails get checked as potential Stateless Resets, then discarded.

Of course, if that's not stated explicitly somewhere, it ought to be....

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As to detection of duplicates further back, you're correct that *if* you discard that state, you won't be able to detect duplicate packets.  An implementation that receives a packet older than it can identify then has a choice:  Either it discards the packet, or processes it.  Processing a duplicate packet is merely sub-optimal, not fatal, since each frame inside should also be recognized as superfluous.

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Mike is right about discarding duplicate packets, and I thought that text existed, but I can't find it.

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As do I.  Especially in light of discussions I've had recently.  Tolerance of errors like this is a downward spiral.

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<p>As do I.  Especially in light of discussions I've had recently.  Tolerance of errors like this is a downward spiral.</p>

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We can probably crib something from DTLS.  The usual method is to maintain a bitvector for the last N packets, and to drop anything that appears to be before that vector starts.  The point about stateless reset is a good one, and one I discovered when implementing it.  It's highly likely that a stateless reset will appear to be a duplicate.

One thing we need to observe is that we won't be checking that the packet is a true duplicate, only that we've (probably) seen the (apparent) packet number before.

Another thing here is that packets that are ECN marked, but not authenticated, might be carrying a valid congestion signal, but we drop those too.  Think about the usual background radiation on the Internet that passes through a congested link on its way to you.  I don't think that we need to worry about that though.

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<p>Another thing here is that packets that are ECN marked, but not authen=
ticated, might be carrying a valid congestion signal, but we drop those t=
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afrind commented on this pull request.



>  
-If the encoder inserted entries to the table while the encoding the block,
-Largest Reference will be greater than Base Index, so deltaBaseIndex will be
-negative and encoded with S=1.  If the block did not reference the most recent
-entry in the table and did not insert any new entries, Largest Reference will be
-less than Base Index, so deltaBaseIndex will be positive and encoded with S=0.
-When Largest Reference and Base Index are equal, deltaBaseIndex is 0 and encoded
-with S=0.
+That is, after turning a sign bit of 1 to -1 and 0 to 1, the absolute Base Index
+is:
+
+~~~
+    baseIndex = largestReference + (sign * deltaBaseIndex)
+~~~
+
+An encoder is expected to determine the absolute value of Base Index before

A single-pass encoder

>  
-If the encoder inserted entries to the table while the encoding the block,
-Largest Reference will be greater than Base Index, so deltaBaseIndex will be
-negative and encoded with S=1.  If the block did not reference the most recent
-entry in the table and did not insert any new entries, Largest Reference will be
-less than Base Index, so deltaBaseIndex will be positive and encoded with S=0.
-When Largest Reference and Base Index are equal, deltaBaseIndex is 0 and encoded
-with S=0.
+That is, after turning a sign bit of 1 to -1 and 0 to 1, the absolute Base Index

I find the language about turning a sign bit somewhat confusing. 

Is it more clear to explain using a conditional?

```
if sign:
  baseIndex = largestReference - deltaBaseIndex
else:
  baseIndex = largestReference + deltaBaseIndex
```
Or index into an array?

```
signMultiplier = [ 1, -1 ]
baeIndex = largestReference + signMultipler[ sign ] * deltaBaseIndex
```


> -negative and encoded with S=1.  If the block did not reference the most recent
-entry in the table and did not insert any new entries, Largest Reference will be
-less than Base Index, so deltaBaseIndex will be positive and encoded with S=0.
-When Largest Reference and Base Index are equal, deltaBaseIndex is 0 and encoded
-with S=0.
+That is, after turning a sign bit of 1 to -1 and 0 to 1, the absolute Base Index
+is:
+
+~~~
+    baseIndex = largestReference + (sign * deltaBaseIndex)
+~~~
+
+An encoder is expected to determine the absolute value of Base Index before
+encoding a header block.  If the encoder inserted entries in the dynamic table
+while encoding the header block, Largest Reference will be greater than Base
+Index, so the encoded difference is negative and the sign bit will be 1.  If the

nit:  is vs. will be - can it be consistent?

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<p><b>@afrind</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1403#discussion_r192262793">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-If the encoder inserted entries to the table while the encoding the block,
-Largest Reference will be greater than Base Index, so deltaBaseIndex will be
-negative and encoded with S=1.  If the block did not reference the most recent
-entry in the table and did not insert any new entries, Largest Reference will be
-less than Base Index, so deltaBaseIndex will be positive and encoded with S=0.
-When Largest Reference and Base Index are equal, deltaBaseIndex is 0 and encoded
-with S=0.
+That is, after turning a sign bit of 1 to -1 and 0 to 1, the absolute Base Index
+is:
+
+~~~
+    baseIndex = largestReference + (sign * deltaBaseIndex)
+~~~
+
+An encoder is expected to determine the absolute value of Base Index before
</pre>
<p>A single-pass encoder</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1403#discussion_r192264093">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-If the encoder inserted entries to the table while the encoding the block,
-Largest Reference will be greater than Base Index, so deltaBaseIndex will be
-negative and encoded with S=1.  If the block did not reference the most recent
-entry in the table and did not insert any new entries, Largest Reference will be
-less than Base Index, so deltaBaseIndex will be positive and encoded with S=0.
-When Largest Reference and Base Index are equal, deltaBaseIndex is 0 and encoded
-with S=0.
+That is, after turning a sign bit of 1 to -1 and 0 to 1, the absolute Base Index
</pre>
<p>I find the language about turning a sign bit somewhat confusing.</p>
<p>Is it more clear to explain using a conditional?</p>
<pre><code>if sign:
  baseIndex = largestReference - deltaBaseIndex
else:
  baseIndex = largestReference + deltaBaseIndex
</code></pre>
<p>Or index into an array?</p>
<pre><code>signMultiplier = [ 1, -1 ]
baeIndex = largestReference + signMultipler[ sign ] * deltaBaseIndex
</code></pre>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1403#discussion_r192264385">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; -negative and encoded with S=1.  If the block did not reference the most recent
-entry in the table and did not insert any new entries, Largest Reference will be
-less than Base Index, so deltaBaseIndex will be positive and encoded with S=0.
-When Largest Reference and Base Index are equal, deltaBaseIndex is 0 and encoded
-with S=0.
+That is, after turning a sign bit of 1 to -1 and 0 to 1, the absolute Base Index
+is:
+
+~~~
+    baseIndex = largestReference + (sign * deltaBaseIndex)
+~~~
+
+An encoder is expected to determine the absolute value of Base Index before
+encoding a header block.  If the encoder inserted entries in the dynamic table
+while encoding the header block, Largest Reference will be greater than Base
+Index, so the encoded difference is negative and the sign bit will be 1.  If the
</pre>
<p>nit:  is vs. will be - can it be consistent?</p>

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> One thing we need to observe is that we won't be checking that the packet is a true duplicate, only that we've (probably) seen the (apparent) packet number before.

:+1:

I would like to argue that, the QUIC protocol needs to and will have idempotency against receiving and processing duplicate packets, and that checking for a duplicate should not be a requirement of the protocol.

Regarding the effect to ECN, I tend to think that processing of duplicates at an endpoint is an orthogonal issue to ECN, because both ECN-CE-marked and non-marked packets have the chance of binge dropped or duplicated.

IMO, the requirement in ECN support should be to state that the ECN counters (i.e. ECN(0), ECN(1), ECN-CE) must be updated _prior to_ processing the packet (e.g., decryption, duplicate detection). Then, the sender can get the most information for adjusting the congestion control.

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  Branch: refs/heads/explain-base-lr
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martinthomson commented on this pull request.



>  
-If the encoder inserted entries to the table while the encoding the block,
-Largest Reference will be greater than Base Index, so deltaBaseIndex will be
-negative and encoded with S=1.  If the block did not reference the most recent
-entry in the table and did not insert any new entries, Largest Reference will be
-less than Base Index, so deltaBaseIndex will be positive and encoded with S=0.
-When Largest Reference and Base Index are equal, deltaBaseIndex is 0 and encoded
-with S=0.
+That is, after turning a sign bit of 1 to -1 and 0 to 1, the absolute Base Index

Yes, this is always hard to explain, but the conditional is nice.  Verbose FTW.

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1403#discussion_r192279479">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-If the encoder inserted entries to the table while the encoding the block,
-Largest Reference will be greater than Base Index, so deltaBaseIndex will be
-negative and encoded with S=1.  If the block did not reference the most recent
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-less than Base Index, so deltaBaseIndex will be positive and encoded with S=0.
-When Largest Reference and Base Index are equal, deltaBaseIndex is 0 and encoded
-with S=0.
+That is, after turning a sign bit of 1 to -1 and 0 to 1, the absolute Base Index
</pre>
<p>Yes, this is always hard to explain, but the conditional is nice.  Verbose FTW.</p>

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The problem with processing ECN before decryption is that you get double-counting if packets are duplicated.  And that happens.  The ECN PR specifically says that you need to detect and discard duplicates to avoid this.

Also, the ECN feedback is based on counting of packets sent vs. those that are acknowledged, so counting ECN-marked chaff would inflate and likely distort the signal.

There is probably a way in which processing ECN signals before decryption could improve signal, but I think that's a different design to what has been proposed.

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<p>The problem with processing ECN before decryption is that you get doub=
le-counting if packets are duplicated.  And that happens.  The ECN PR spe=
cifically says that you need to detect and discard duplicates to avoid th=
is.</p>
<p>Also, the ECN feedback is based on counting of packets sent vs. those =
that are acknowledged, so counting ECN-marked chaff would inflate and lik=
ely distort the signal.</p>
<p>There is probably a way in which processing ECN signals before decrypt=
ion could improve signal, but I think that's a different design to what h=
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> The problem with processing ECN before decryption is that you get double-counting if packets are duplicated. And that happens. The ECN PR specifically says that you need to detect and discard duplicates to avoid this.

Yes. I am arguing against that statement, because I do not want to see endpoints being required to detect duplicates.

> Also, the ECN feedback is based on counting of packets sent vs. those that are acknowledged, so counting ECN-marked chaff would inflate and likely distort the signal.
> 
> There is probably a way in which processing ECN signals before decryption could improve signal, but I think that's a different design to what has been proposed.

Exactly.

My argument is based on my opinion that the current proposal is not optimal in sense that it loses the signal that was carried in one of the duplicated packets (one that is being delivered later), while requiring the endpoint to detect duplicates, which IMO is unnecessary.

Consider the case where an endpoint receives two packets that are duplicate, one with the CE bit set and the other one without. The signal sent by the approach used in the PR will depend on the order of the delivery of the two packets. If the packet with the CE bit set is delivered first, the sender will notice more congestion than is should, because the fact that the second packet did not have the CE bit set will not be notified. If the packet without the CE bit set is delivered first, the sender will notice less congestion than it should, because the fact that the second packet did have the CE bit set will not be notified.

The reason why such issue exists is because you process the packet before updating the counter. I am saying that it might be worth reconsidering the approach, _especially if_ we are going to be required to detect duplicates on the endpoint as a byproduct of the approach.

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<p>The problem with processing ECN before decryption is that you get doub=
le-counting if packets are duplicated. And that happens. The ECN PR speci=
fically says that you need to detect and discard duplicates to avoid this=
.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Yes. I am arguing against that statement, because I do not want to see=
 endpoints being required to detect duplicates.</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Also, the ECN feedback is based on counting of packets sent vs. those =
that are acknowledged, so counting ECN-marked chaff would inflate and lik=
ely distort the signal.</p>
<p>There is probably a way in which processing ECN signals before decrypt=
ion could improve signal, but I think that's a different design to what h=
as been proposed.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Exactly.</p>
<p>My argument is based on my opinion that the current proposal is not op=
timal in sense that it loses the signal that was carried in one of the du=
plicated packets (one that is being delivered later), while requiring the=
 endpoint to detect duplicates, which IMO is unnecessary.</p>
<p>Consider the case where an endpoint receives two packets that are dupl=
icate, one with the CE bit set and the other one without. The signal sent=
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of the two packets. If the packet with the CE bit set is delivered first,=
 the sender will notice more congestion than is should, because the fact =
that the second packet did not have the CE bit set will not be notified. =
If the packet without the CE bit set is delivered first, the sender will =
notice less congestion than it should, because the fact that the second p=
acket did have the CE bit set will not be notified.</p>
<p>The reason why such issue exists is because you process the packet bef=
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g the approach, <em>especially if</em> we are going to be required to det=
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