From nobody Mon Oct 1 00:01:42 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D401130934 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 00:01:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4n6KBNLP1DaE for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 00:01:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CBC07130DD5 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 00:01:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 00:01:37 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538377297; bh=61gWetIKLefAWYHWF3QlHe1QAuLORRlmhp69z9M+k5Y=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=FTh7FHSOHURgRWpOOAbGZYax7l/nboIo/Tq1G+8MQnig39vkdcbjeTxNh6qgEGu// ziv7005w4vuBUZBDR2h7lotzYj/9lOUds+APQHF3AdPFYy+EO2urj+gTOjI9tjF5ET xxFSC8h0WfFfNvur3E7fozTZX5K75tn1KfXSqBMY= From: Mark Nottingham Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QPACK: Updated Static Table (#1355) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bb1c65182934_72e3fa6a5cd45c01115b8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mnot X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 07:01:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bb1c65182934_72e3fa6a5cd45c01115b8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mnot commented on this pull request. > +| 86 | authorization | | +| 87 | content-security-policy | script-src 'none'; object-src 'none'; base-uri 'none' | +| 88 | early-data | 1 | +| 89 | expect-ct | | +| 90 | forwarded | | +| 91 | if-range | | +| 92 | origin | | +| 93 | purpose | prefetch | +| 94 | server | | +| 95 | timing-allow-origin | * | +| 96 | upgrade-insecure-requests | 1 | +| 97 | user-agent | | +| 98 | x-forwarded-for | | +| 99 | x-frame-options | deny | +| 100 | x-frame-options | sameorigin | +| 101 | x-requested-with | xmlhttprequest | x-requested-with might be common, but it's being sent by old JS frameworks; it serves no real purpose, so we shouldn't be optimising for it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1355#pullrequestreview-160171588 ----==_mimepart_5bb1c65182934_72e3fa6a5cd45c01115b8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@mnot commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +| 86    | authorization                    |                                                       |
+| 87    | content-security-policy          | script-src 'none'; object-src 'none'; base-uri 'none' |
+| 88    | early-data                       | 1                                                     |
+| 89    | expect-ct                        |                                                       |
+| 90    | forwarded                        |                                                       |
+| 91    | if-range                         |                                                       |
+| 92    | origin                           |                                                       |
+| 93    | purpose                          | prefetch                                              |
+| 94    | server                           |                                                       |
+| 95    | timing-allow-origin              | *                                                     |
+| 96    | upgrade-insecure-requests        | 1                                                     |
+| 97    | user-agent                       |                                                       |
+| 98    | x-forwarded-for                  |                                                       |
+| 99    | x-frame-options                  | deny                                                  |
+| 100   | x-frame-options                  | sameorigin                                            |
+| 101   | x-requested-with                 | xmlhttprequest                                        |

x-requested-with might be common, but it's being sent by old JS frameworks; it serves no real purpose, so we shouldn't be optimising for it.

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----==_mimepart_5bb1c65182934_72e3fa6a5cd45c01115b8-- From nobody Mon Oct 1 06:23:07 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FE3E130DFE for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 06:23:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id St3sUZDan_z3 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 06:23:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2DD76130DDC for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 06:23:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 06:23:01 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538400181; bh=jERkW/cOEZKxAfrZzIv5FhbGqxhCRBwKXtmBSdK7gh4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=rZsNwVCRhQTsjUc4fRON6pFj0n4iG5v+w/O69PJnTBBDcyS4yVvCZi77Pct6qg4Dx pnXEDPZQejSXS0VtHmCp0gcxWPgu9rhcKb132BXD+FziTR864qHllweFmiQmvFN2TW 3fJTKkxIztKPr+Klso6frKH4NnBs8igDts4ASj6w= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Extension frames and congestion/flow control (#1811) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bb21fb5afcb2_3eed3fb2912d45b432348"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 13:23:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bb21fb5afcb2_3eed3fb2912d45b432348 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How would it prevent an unreliable stream? The reason you don't acknowledge ACKs is that it can cause the connection to never go idle, or to take a long time to do so. Additionally, ACK only packets don't count towards congestion control. I don't want non-ACK frames to be excluded from congestion control unless doing so could cause a connection deadlock or some other major issue. If a frame is congestion controlled, it should cause an ACK to be sent at some point(ie: at least once per RTT, but probably more), otherwise the congestion controller never gets any feedback. Allowing a reduced rate of ACKs for frames which are not reliable is sensible, and is what the DATAGRAM proposal recommends. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1811#issuecomment-425905564 ----==_mimepart_5bb21fb5afcb2_3eed3fb2912d45b432348 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

How would it prevent an unreliable stream?

The reason you don't acknowledge ACKs is that it can cause the connect= ion to never go idle, or to take a long time to do so. Additionally, A= CK only packets don't count towards congestion control.

I don't want non-ACK frames to be excluded from congestion control unl= ess doing so could cause a connection deadlock or some other major issue.= If a frame is congestion controlled, it should cause an ACK to be sent = at some point(ie: at least once per RTT, but probably more), otherwise th= e congestion controller never gets any feedback.

Allowing a reduced rate of ACKs for frames which are not reliable is s= ensible, and is what the DATAGRAM proposal recommends.

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----==_mimepart_5bb21ff04b5f1_56a33fb9e74d45b48395f-- From nobody Mon Oct 1 09:15:22 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9AFF130E05 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 09:15:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FRZbAvPLVWjt for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 09:15:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F118130DFE for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 09:15:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 09:15:16 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538410516; bh=6c7dzf/nSyq3C+6oUWXyaefpyqpFI5U+beBXMabbbHc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=2OD69YD/v3UhqqhxDLYRea5MWFUXNsBruayAXSxx1pRVXI3+jhofJCcKUiLTfr296 GZK8pBte0PNWbygUbDLgtRnAzo9e10SgY6uIYX+VbeSMz5AZ9x9LML35Jw9BiSwPwl 80o1mJmut+MoL47LM29kMqDzduqJyhnrWKKCdF8M= From: Rui Paulo Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Extension frames and congestion/flow control (#1811) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bb24814205e2_4f8e3fd0f2ed45c483146b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: rpaulo X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 16:15:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bb24814205e2_4f8e3fd0f2ed45c483146b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, I'm not talking about ACKs for ACKs. I believe there are two cases for unreliable streams: 1) Send and forget about the data itself but save metadata in memory: this is the case you're talking about and it's used to grow the cwnd when an ACK arrives. It increases bytes_in_flight. 2) Send and forget about everything: this is the more basic approach where sending doesn't elicit an ACK. I'm not sure if it should increase bytes_in_flight, but it should respect cwnd. Obviously 1) is better and I also prefer it for DATAGRAM streams. I'm just wondering if the text isn't too restrictive since we're really talking about an extension. Imagine an extension that improves the ACK frame but doesn't replace it (ACK_ECN comeback? :-)). It's true that implementations can break these rules and implement private extensions that don't require ACKs. P.S.: It looks like PADDING increases bytes_in_flight. This is confusing because bytes_in_flight will increase but nothing prevents a QUIC stack from just sending PADDING in one packet which would never be ACK'ed and bytes_in_flight won't ever be zero again. This would put us in perpetual loss detection mode. Does that make sense? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1811#issuecomment-425967750 ----==_mimepart_5bb24814205e2_4f8e3fd0f2ed45c483146b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes, I'm not talking about ACKs for ACKs.

I believe there are two cases for unreliable streams:

  1. Send and forget about the data itself but save metadata in memory: thi= s is the case you're talking about and it's used to grow the cwnd when an= ACK arrives. It increases bytes_in_flight.

  2. Send and forget about everything: this is the more basic approach wher= e sending doesn't elicit an ACK. I'm not sure if it should increase bytes= _in_flight, but it should respect cwnd.

Obviously 1) is better and I also prefer it for DATAGRAM streams.

I'm just wondering if the text isn't too restrictive since we're reall= y talking about an extension. Imagine an extension that improves the ACK= frame but doesn't replace it (ACK_ECN comeback? :-)).

It's true that implementations can break these rules and implement pri= vate extensions that don't require ACKs.

P.S.: It looks like PADDING increases bytes_in_flight. This is confusi= ng because bytes_in_flight will increase but nothing prevents a QUIC stac= k from just sending PADDING in one packet which would never be ACK'ed and= bytes_in_flight won't ever be zero again. This would put us in perpetual= loss detection mode. Does that make sense?

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To your PS, I think the lack of clarity is the difference between "get= s ACK'd eventually" and "elicits an ACK". If you receive a packet with o= nly PADDING and ACK, that doesn't elicit an ACK immediately. However, wh= en you do eventually sent an ACK, that packet is included in the range of= acknowledged packets, which enabled bytes_in_flight to return to zero.

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Ian, what did you have in mind? I wasn't suggesting to count full sized packets, just to allow a constant to be variable.

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Section 4.3.1 of quic-recovery says:

The initial handshake timeout SHOULD be set to twice the initial RTT.

but the pseudocode says:

timeout = max(timeout + max_ack_delay, kMinTLPTimeout)

Do we include max_ack_delay or not?

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----==_mimepart_5bb25cf0c74cf_75b03ffae9ed45bc1014af-- From nobody Mon Oct 1 10:52:33 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88420130E74 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 10:52:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.455 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.455 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3O7UZDsCxLPK for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 10:52:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A1B44128C65 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 10:52:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 10:52:29 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538416349; bh=9V37A2m6wohRV62DrEEWBYq6o6c7ppIA+q7VQMzpEjk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=VjTOiZttS0L9Nj1kD/q6eKLkLqkFxpKZNIdSIm8cb211nO5h6YTt7o/aRiPj5N7KW AzHtMYMikNFuh0NbAmCjgciDfpCLV63OBSnZOVwDcgEC2TOh+6mi1/T7O2oeYo1Oz3 023dKozpjFkyHMmPQ8LTJak9Hp8HuwXmjF+HCZAc= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Extension frames and congestion/flow control (#1811) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bb25edd89d7c_31b83fcb9b6d45c4209757"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 17:52:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bb25edd89d7c_31b83fcb9b6d45c4209757 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm of the opinion that even though QUIC can enable 2), it's neither a typical use case nor the one we should encourage, since I don't think it's feasible to respect CWND if you don't increase bytes_in_flight. There's a specific exception in the text for ACK frame replacements and supplements: "The exception is extension frames that replace or supplement the ACK frame." PADDING is weird because people requested it behave as it does. Admittedly, if it didn't have it's current behavior of increasing bytes_in_flight without eliciting an ACK, it would be identical to the PING frame. It's certainly a potential footgun and there's some text in recovery noting that, though it could be a little stronger: "Note that this means PADDING frames cause packets to contribute toward bytes in flight without directly causing an acknowledgment to be sent. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1811#issuecomment-426001039 ----==_mimepart_5bb25edd89d7c_31b83fcb9b6d45c4209757 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm of the opinion that even though QUIC can enable 2), it's neither a= typical use case nor the one we should encourage, since I don't think it= 's feasible to respect CWND if you don't increase bytes_in_flight.

There's a specific exception in the text for ACK frame replacements an= d supplements: "The exception is extension frames that replace or supple= ment the ACK frame."

PADDING is weird because people requested it behave as it does. Admit= tedly, if it didn't have it's current behavior of increasing bytes_in_fli= ght without eliciting an ACK, it would be identical to the PING frame. I= t's certainly a potential footgun and there's some text in recovery notin= g that, though it could be a little stronger: "Note that this means PADDI= NG frames cause packets to contribute toward bytes in flight without dire= ctly causing an acknowledgment to be sent.

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My intent was to not include max_ack_delay in the handshake timeout, because "4.4.1. Crypto Handshake Data" advises using a very short or no ACK delay for handshake packets.

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Fixes #1816

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Can you deadlock on sending PADDING between endpoints? Perhaps a very slow death?

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@martinduke approved this pull request.

Given that there's pretty much always data to send, the only possible problem I see is with the final ack of client FINISHED. But meh.

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OK, I'm going to write two different PRs, as they're addressing slightly different issues:

  1. Advice for sending CONNECTION_CLOSE
  2. Allow receivers more flexibility for fatal errors in Initial Packets.

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I'm not aware of any deadlocks, but you could end up stalled until the TLP fires.

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----==_mimepart_5bb26b8472bac_56f33f8b506d45b41751d9-- From nobody Mon Oct 1 12:21:30 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF7A0130EA8 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 12:21:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.455 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.455 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kJit40b89Ayv for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 12:21:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EB7B5130EB7 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 12:21:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 12:21:25 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538421685; bh=50GQJuBAK+/t/Dqzn6UMIdlSUO2GtkclEgzzQkT0CO0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=FsSPRlRFS/kX9MTcCIVusdUv0bVJpVzsKlPg9UdrenWa8zpno5aGctUmI9jkAt9eE nvVbvPTFBnWkiYW5P7XYh0V0/taQm6JAGMYtpOtVKgICGiW6JJekq7p0isap93sLPX MTrkZjYpUOS3GL4vm4xa1j0GIay7zMrZHoN/v21k= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Ack Delay and TLP (#1796) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bb273b5bd98d_8c33fb4036d45c4255892"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 19:21:29 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bb273b5bd98d_8c33fb4036d45c4255892 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I realize kMaxDatagramSize is in the constants section, but I'm not sure it should be a constant throughout a connection, given the existence of PMTU, so it's inclusion there may be incorrect or at least misleading. I was thinking of tracking the number of in flight packets that are >= 1200 bytes on the sender side in addition to the number of bytes in flight and then on the receiver side, only send an ack immediately if two packets >1200 bytes are received. That would keep the concept of full-sized packets while also allow changing the MTU during a connection without any other issues. As I mention it, I realize this has the unintended side effect that if the sender wants to delay acks, it can send a 1199 byte packet instead of 1200 byte one. I'm not sure if that's a feature or a bug. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1796#issuecomment-426030508 ----==_mimepart_5bb273b5bd98d_8c33fb4036d45c4255892 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I realize kMaxDatagramSize is in the constants section, but I'm not su= re it should be a constant throughout a connection, given the existence o= f PMTU, so it's inclusion there may be incorrect or at least misleading.<= /p>

I was thinking of tracking the number of in flight packets that are &g= t;=3D 1200 bytes on the sender side in addition to the number of bytes in= flight and then on the receiver side, only send an ack immediately if tw= o packets >1200 bytes are received. That would keep the concept of fu= ll-sized packets while also allow changing the MTU during a connection wi= thout any other issues.

As I mention it, I realize this has the unintended side effect that if= the sender wants to delay acks, it can send a 1199 byte packet instead o= f 1200 byte one. I'm not sure if that's a feature or a bug.

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Oh, yes, it already says "supplements". I've thought about this more and yes I agree it's fine the way it is right now. Thanks.

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QUIC_FLOW_CONTROL_RECEIVED_TOO_MUCH_DATA was removed in transport-draft-05, however Section 8.4. MAX_DATA Frame of the transport draft still references this error.

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Partially resolves #1786.

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Commit Summary

  • Clarify crypto context for Connection Close

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Seems reasonable.

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A little more flexibility to defeat injection attacks. This is the other half of #1786.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2606,6 +2606,16 @@ An endpoint sends a closing frame (CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE) to
 terminate the connection immediately.  Any closing frame causes all streams to
 immediately become closed; open streams can be assumed to be implicitly reset.
 
+If the endpoint has successfully decrypted a 1-RTT packet from its peer, it
+SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE in a 1-RTT packet. If not, and it has received a

This does not work if the client decides to abort the handshake in response to the server's Handshake messages, because the server's messages typically end with NewSessionTicket carried by a 1-RTT packet but the server cannot decrypt a 1-RTT packet from client until it receives ClientFinished.

IMO, we should state that an endpoint SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE using a Handshake packet until either of the following to condition is met: a) it knows that the peer can decrypt a 1-RTT packet, b) it drops the Handshake keys based on the timer.

Other than that, the PR looks good to me.

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Looks good, one comment about the text you're modifying.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -720,9 +720,7 @@ require multiple round trips or retransmissions of this data.
 
 The payload of an Initial packet includes a CRYPTO frame (or frames) containing

I think "containing a cryptographic handshake message" section makes this sentence more confusing. Can you remove it?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2606,6 +2606,16 @@ An endpoint sends a closing frame (CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE) to
 terminate the connection immediately.  Any closing frame causes all streams to
 immediately become closed; open streams can be assumed to be implicitly reset.
 
+If the endpoint has successfully decrypted a 1-RTT packet from its peer, it
+SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE in a 1-RTT packet. If not, and it has received a

How about "the handshake is complete and it knows the peer can decrypt a 1-RTT packet."?

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----==_mimepart_5bb2cedfabf2f_1a0f3f9ae54d45bc12489e-- From nobody Mon Oct 1 19:13:43 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED3BF129C6B for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 19:13:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8Ktkpx6_qCQN for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 19:13:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5DAA129AB8 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 19:13:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 19:13:38 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538446418; bh=hruo2Z9CuMy/1nzMMyGNXHPsC4imbiEteJz104wv5oM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=hGvwzBDrGFg4T3Q5lNP45l31Sp7up5VN7EDdwXUxAyz9fmMLg7vZ2ejSNEp7N9VBV vA0HDTD4Khu7GUb3CbyzpNOExObHtTNmNXEqJ6sBC1ze9VfqRQOOZL9ghEfrhiq26o BvziO7+QOFBernrl5A0advz/6Iu2qwpcq9SWd1qc= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clarify crypto context for Connection Close (#1818) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bb2d452586d_54b03fa7ee6d45b8106677"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2018 02:13:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bb2d452586d_54b03fa7ee6d45b8106677 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kazuho commented on this pull request. > @@ -2606,6 +2606,16 @@ An endpoint sends a closing frame (CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE) to terminate the connection immediately. Any closing frame causes all streams to immediately become closed; open streams can be assumed to be implicitly reset. +If the endpoint has successfully decrypted a 1-RTT packet from its peer, it +SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE in a 1-RTT packet. If not, and it has received a That works for me, though I would prefer dropping the former (i.e. "handshake is complete") because it's confusing; IIUC we do not have a definition of when the handshake becomes complete, and we could argue in various ways on when it becomes complete. Actually, the latter condition (i.e. "knows the peer can decrypt a 1-RTT packet") is when the handshake is _known_ to have been complete. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1818#discussion_r221809572 ----==_mimepart_5bb2d452586d_54b03fa7ee6d45b8106677 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2606,6 +2606,16 @@ An endpoint sends a closing frame (CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE) to
 terminate the connection immediately.  Any closing frame causes all streams to
 immediately become closed; open streams can be assumed to be implicitly reset.
 
+If the endpoint has successfully decrypted a 1-RTT packet from its peer, it
+SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE in a 1-RTT packet. If not, and it has received a

That works for me, though I would prefer dropping the former (i.e. "handshake is complete") because it's confusing; IIUC we do not have a definition of when the handshake becomes complete, and we could argue in various ways on when it becomes complete. Actually, the latter condition (i.e. "knows the peer can decrypt a 1-RTT packet") is when the handshake is known to have been complete.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2606,6 +2606,16 @@ An endpoint sends a closing frame (CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE) to
 terminate the connection immediately.  Any closing frame causes all streams to
 immediately become closed; open streams can be assumed to be implicitly reset.
 
+If the endpoint has successfully decrypted a 1-RTT packet from its peer, it
+SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE in a 1-RTT packet. If not, and it has received a

FWIW, a client "knows that the peer can decrypt a 1-RTT packet" when it receives the first ACK for a 1-RTT packet it has sent. A server knows that when it obtains the 1-RTT read key from the TLS stack (i.e. when a ClientFinished received from the client is processed without an error).

We might want to clarify that.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -or ACN_ECN.  Specifically, implementations MUST attempt to enforce a maximum
-ack delay to avoid causing the peer spurious timeouts.  The RECOMMENDED maximum
-ack delay in QUIC is 25ms.
-
-An acknowledgement MAY be sent for every second full-sized packet, as TCP does
-{{?RFC5681}}, or may be sent less frequently, as long as the delay does not
-exceed the maximum ack delay.  QUIC recovery algorithms do not assume the peer
+excessively delay acknowledgements of packets containing frames other than ACK.
+Specifically, implementations MUST attempt to enforce a maximum
+ack delay to avoid causing the peer spurious timeouts.  The maximum ack delay
+is communicated in the `max_ack_delay` transport parameter and the default
+value is 25ms.
+
+An acknowledgement SHOULD be sent immediately upon receiving two or more
+retransmitable full-sized packets, as TCP does {{?RFC5681}}.  QUIC recovery
+algorithms, including tail loss probe{{tail-loss-probe}}, assume the peer

How do you define full-sized packets when this depends on PMTU discovery?
The text also isn't very clear about receiving drips of full sized packets: can you ack after only one full packet if it exceeds max ACK delay? I'd say obviously yes, but I'm sure the text is very clear (before or ofter this change).

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit janaiyengar commented on this pull request. > @@ -446,16 +433,16 @@ flight, since this packet adds network load without establishing packet loss. ## Generating Acknowledgements QUIC SHOULD delay sending acknowledgements in response to packets, but MUST NOT -excessively delay acknowledgements of packets containing frames other than ACK -or ACN_ECN. Specifically, implementations MUST attempt to enforce a maximum -ack delay to avoid causing the peer spurious timeouts. The RECOMMENDED maximum -ack delay in QUIC is 25ms. - -An acknowledgement MAY be sent for every second full-sized packet, as TCP does -{{?RFC5681}}, or may be sent less frequently, as long as the delay does not -exceed the maximum ack delay. QUIC recovery algorithms do not assume the peer -generates an acknowledgement immediately when receiving a second full-sized -packet. +excessively delay acknowledgements of packets containing frames other than ACK. +Specifically, implementations MUST attempt to enforce a maximum +ack delay to avoid causing the peer spurious timeouts. The maximum ack delay +is communicated in the `max_ack_delay` transport parameter and the default s/default/RECOMMENDED -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -446,16 +433,16 @@ flight, since this packet adds network load without establishing packet loss.
 ## Generating Acknowledgements
 
 QUIC SHOULD delay sending acknowledgements in response to packets, but MUST NOT
-excessively delay acknowledgements of packets containing frames other than ACK
-or ACN_ECN.  Specifically, implementations MUST attempt to enforce a maximum
-ack delay to avoid causing the peer spurious timeouts.  The RECOMMENDED maximum
-ack delay in QUIC is 25ms.
-
-An acknowledgement MAY be sent for every second full-sized packet, as TCP does
-{{?RFC5681}}, or may be sent less frequently, as long as the delay does not
-exceed the maximum ack delay.  QUIC recovery algorithms do not assume the peer
-generates an acknowledgement immediately when receiving a second full-sized
-packet.
+excessively delay acknowledgements of packets containing frames other than ACK.
+Specifically, implementations MUST attempt to enforce a maximum
+ack delay to avoid causing the peer spurious timeouts.  The maximum ack delay
+is communicated in the `max_ack_delay` transport parameter and the default

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I wrote this based on 'two full-sized packets' equalling a fixed 2400 bytes. QUIC could send immediate acks for non-full-sized packets, but that's not what TCP does. I could base it on the connection's packet size, but that requires the receiver to monitor the sender's max packet size, which made me a bit concerned? 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@igorlord : yes, that would be up to the receiver

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Closes #1799.

I've left this out of RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID because there's no seq num assigned to the CIDs used during the handshake.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1821

Commit Summary

  • Add sequence number to NCID frame

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Fixes #1774

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  • Track smallest_newly_acked to prevent spurious RTO

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3285,8 +3292,10 @@ zero-length Destination Connection ID MUST treat receipt of a NEW_CONNECTION_ID
 frame as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.
 
 Transmission errors, timeouts and retransmissions might cause the same
-NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame to be received multiple times. Receipt of the same
-frame multiple times MUST NOT be treated as a connection error.
+NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame to be received multiple times.  Receipt of the same
+frame multiple times MUST NOT be treated as a connection error.  A receiver can
+use the sequence number supplied in the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame to identify new
+connection IDs from old ones.

Q: What happens if the CID sequence number increases by a large amount(ie: 1000)? If the same sequence number arrives with a different connection ID, is the receiver supposed to close the connection, ignore the second one?

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Fixes #1813

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  • Remove QUIC_FLOW_CONTROL_RECEIVED_TOO_MUCH_DATA

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PR #1013 is very bit-rotten.

I think the current text is sufficient? It was updated after the new crypto handshake design.
https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/blob/master/draft-ietf-quic-transport.md#packet-size-packet-size

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@marten-seemann commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>        OnPacketAcked(acked_packet.packet_number)
+    
+    if smallest_newly_acked != 2^62

I still think we should make 0 the sentinel value.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -690,9 +690,22 @@ Pseudocode for OnAckReceived and UpdateRtt follow:
     if (sent_packets[ack.largest_acked]):
       latest_rtt = now - sent_packets[ack.largest_acked].time
       UpdateRtt(latest_rtt, ack.ack_delay)
-    // Find all newly acked packets.
+    // Find all newly acked packets and track the smallest
+    smallest_newly_acked = 2^62
     for acked_packet in DetermineNewlyAckedPackets():

Not an issue of this PR, but I noticed that DetermineNewlyAckedPackets is not defined. Do we need to fix that?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -690,9 +690,22 @@ Pseudocode for OnAckReceived and UpdateRtt follow:
     if (sent_packets[ack.largest_acked]):
       latest_rtt = now - sent_packets[ack.largest_acked].time
       UpdateRtt(latest_rtt, ack.ack_delay)
-    // Find all newly acked packets.
+    // Find all newly acked packets and track the smallest
+    smallest_newly_acked = 2^62
     for acked_packet in DetermineNewlyAckedPackets():

I can comment what it does more clearly, but I don't want to define it. There are multiple different ways to determine newly acked packets based on one's data structure choices, so I think it's very implementation dependent.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>        OnPacketAcked(acked_packet.packet_number)
+    
+    if smallest_newly_acked != 2^62

I was going to, but 0 is a valid packet number.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>        OnPacketAcked(acked_packet.packet_number)
+    
+    if smallest_newly_acked != 2^62

My point is that it shouldn't be, in order to avoid ugly code like this here, and at many other places.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>        OnPacketAcked(acked_packet.packet_number)
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+    if smallest_newly_acked != 2^62

I'm not disagreeing, but I don't think this is the PR to change that?

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We either need a requirement that each CID be unique for the lifetime of a connection (potentially difficult to guarantee unless you're encrypting a payload with a counter inside), or we need sequence numbers in RETIRE as well. Otherwise, it's possible for a delayed RETIRE to retire the wrong instance of a duplicate. (My inclination is actually "both," but at a minimum we need one or the other.) I recognize the problem of missing sequence numbers, but it's easy enough to say that the CID from the handshake is CID 0 and the sequence number from the SPA is CID 1 if present. At that point, everything has a sequence number and we could save some bytes on RETIRE. > @@ -3285,8 +3292,10 @@ zero-length Destination Connection ID MUST treat receipt of a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. Transmission errors, timeouts and retransmissions might cause the same -NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame to be received multiple times. Receipt of the same -frame multiple times MUST NOT be treated as a connection error. +NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame to be received multiple times. Receipt of the same +frame multiple times MUST NOT be treated as a connection error. A receiver can +use the sequence number supplied in the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame to identify new +connection IDs from old ones. For the first, I think we need to require the sender to always increase by one. That way, the receiver could assume they're in flight. That's one argument for putting the sequence number on RETIRE, since you could preemptively retire CIDs that are in-flight but not yet received. Otherwise, you wind up with gaps which the issuer could choose to fill at any time, and the recipient has to keep track of the sparse set of retired/available IDs. For the second, I don't think it would be unreasonable to abort the connection if it still remembers what CID was with that sequence number, but we shouldn't require that behavior because it might have been forgotten. Just drop based on the sequence number if it's a repeat. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1821#pullrequestreview-160848192 ----==_mimepart_5bb3b260da2fe_5aac3ffd8aed45b451507d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@MikeBishop requested changes on this pull request.

We either need a requirement that each CID be unique for the lifetime of a connection (potentially difficult to guarantee unless you're encrypting a payload with a counter inside), or we need sequence numbers in RETIRE as well. Otherwise, it's possible for a delayed RETIRE to retire the wrong instance of a duplicate. (My inclination is actually "both," but at a minimum we need one or the other.)

I recognize the problem of missing sequence numbers, but it's easy enough to say that the CID from the handshake is CID 0 and the sequence number from the SPA is CID 1 if present. At that point, everything has a sequence number and we could save some bytes on RETIRE.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3285,8 +3292,10 @@ zero-length Destination Connection ID MUST treat receipt of a NEW_CONNECTION_ID
 frame as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.
 
 Transmission errors, timeouts and retransmissions might cause the same
-NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame to be received multiple times. Receipt of the same
-frame multiple times MUST NOT be treated as a connection error.
+NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame to be received multiple times.  Receipt of the same
+frame multiple times MUST NOT be treated as a connection error.  A receiver can
+use the sequence number supplied in the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame to identify new
+connection IDs from old ones.

For the first, I think we need to require the sender to always increase by one. That way, the receiver could assume they're in flight. That's one argument for putting the sequence number on RETIRE, since you could preemptively retire CIDs that are in-flight but not yet received. Otherwise, you wind up with gaps which the issuer could choose to fill at any time, and the recipient has to keep track of the sparse set of retired/available IDs.

For the second, I don't think it would be unreasonable to abort the connection if it still remembers what CID was with that sequence number, but we shouldn't require that behavior because it might have been forgotten. Just drop based on the sequence number if it's a repeat.

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Also, this PR can remove the recommendation to remember CIDs for 3xRTO after you retire them (section 6.1.2). The point of that recommendation was to dedupe retransmissions; we can use the sequence number for that now.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fixes #1764 You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1824 -- Commit Summary -- * Handshake deadlock -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (16) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1824.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1824.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Fixes #1764

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  • transport: Initialize a changelog for draft-15

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Moved it to a branch on the main repo for others' convenience, but it appears I can't directly change the PR. I'll replace this PR, but your commit is still there.

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Looking at #1799, I am starting to wonder if we could use a "stream" to carry the new and retiring CIDs (sorry for suggesting to change the approach at a late moment). **The proposed design** Like the CRYPTO frame that carries the TLS messages, We will have a CID frame that carries the CID messages. This is essentially a "CID stream" much like the "CRYPTO stream." The format of a CID frame will be equivalent to the CRYPTO frame. A CID message has the following structure. 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Transmission of new and retired CIDs is something that do not need low latency, but it seems like it is going to have lot of code specific to the purpose.

Looking at #1799, I am starting to wonder if we could use a "stream" to carry the new and retiring CIDs (sorry for suggesting to change the approach at a late moment).

The proposed design

Like the CRYPTO frame that carries the TLS messages, We will have a CID frame that carries the CID messages. This is essentially a "CID stream" much like the "CRYPTO stream."

The format of a CID frame will be equivalent to the CRYPTO frame.

A CID message has the following structure. Type is either NEW_CID (0) or RETIRE_CID (1).

 0                   1                   2                   3
 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|    Type (8)   |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|                          Length (i)                         ...
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|                       CONNECTION ID (*)                     ...
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

Instead of flow-control based on octets, the number of CIDs given to the peer by the use of the NEW_CID messages will be governed by a MAX_NEW_CID frame that is equivalent to the MAX_STREAM_ID frame, except for the fact that it carries the number of CIDs.

The Upsides

Code reuse and design reuse.

We can reuse a lot of code. Basically, we only need glue code and codec for the CID messages. All the code that relates to retransmission and back-pressure can be reused. We are also reusing a design that we are familiar with.

These aspects lead to less issues.

The Downsides

Head-of-line blocking in the delivery of CIDs. But I do not think that is an issue in practice.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -5248,6 +5248,13 @@ DecodePacketNumber(largest_pn, truncated_pn, pn_nbits):
 
 Issue and pull request numbers are listed with a leading octothorp.
 
+## Since draft-ietf-quic-transport-14
+- Merge ACK and ACK_ECN (#1801)
+- Add 2 transport parameters: max_ack_delay(12) and original_connection_id(13)
+  (#981, #1710, #1486)
+- Remove sequence field from NEW_CONNECTION_ID (#1742)
+- Add RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID type (#1742)

Idle timeout TP was made optional, and the max limit on the value was removed.

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The original intent was to bound them when the settings were arbitrary-length. I agree that they're unneeded now that they're integers.

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You assume code reuse, but that is not necessarily the case. I'd prefer not to add this much overhead just for CIDs. Especially this late in the process.

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I proposed something very similar (use a special stream) at the very first CID DT meeting a couple of months ago. Everyone else was against this.

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My argument would be that because we are this late in the process, it is= preferable to reuse an existing mechanism rather than trying to fix issues= with a special-purpose mechanism that none of us have implemented.

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Later changes (i.e. sending "retire" as an explicit signal and the reint= roduction of sequence numbers to NEW_CID) made me inclined to the design.

OK. I support this proposal, which makes two of us, @kazuho.

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This sounds like an interesting proposal. I really like the idea of th= e MAX_NEW_CID frame, not because it would lead to code reuse (at least no= t for me), but because we're using the same design both for flow control = bytes and for stream IDs.

I'm wondering if we really need two different framing layers here (one= for the CID frame and one for the CID message). Could we just introduce = a sequence number for NEW_CID (which would be limited by MAX_NEW_CID), an= d keep RETIRE_CID as separate frame?

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I'm wondering if we really need two different framing layers here (one= for the CID frame and one for the CID message). Could we just introduce = a sequence number for NEW_CID (which would be limited by MAX_NEW_CID), an= d keep RETIRE_CID as separate frame?

IMO, the costs with that approach are:

  • Without using a "stream", you'd need to do book-keeping of each CID b= eing received by the NEW_CID frame, because the frames can arrive out-of-= order. "Stream" guarantees in-order-delivery and therefore you only need = to maintain a counter.
  • Not carrying NEW_CID and RETIRE_CID as a "message" on top of "streams= " also means that you would have a retransmission logic specific to those= frames.

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= ----==_mimepart_5bb3c4055aacf_5ed83fe2b72d45b81086d6-- From nobody Tue Oct 2 12:23:02 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E63BD130EF5 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 12:22:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.456 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.456 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GWd4aVLpkPqQ for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 12:22:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 29CA4130DC2 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 12:22:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2018 12:22:57 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538508177; bh=NB2iMBSd6RSRMhvhLDIt99PzSm/859jQfyHYz1r1h9g=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=blxYhfu0HNjKBNv6830gA44+qYrgQByc6y+5WayC94UkdVxwFPBrvnOgzGydkAr9M Ww3XX+0opLFwS/TjPQ7xYSh21BkGna7h0HZ2b9+ZXh71nSqRyimHmKpxWad1nBWCjP UECsNLszxPWxA4NfGjr6t6WXB+5NNpAJxZrL5MTQ= From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Use a "stream" for transmitting CIDs (#1826) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bb3c59129c8c_260f3f9bcf6d45c0155867"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2018 19:23:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bb3c59129c8c_260f3f9bcf6d45c0155867 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Without using a "stream", you'd need to do book-keeping of the CID-sequence number relation being received by the NEW_CID frame, because the frames can arrive out-of-order. "Stream" guarantees in-order-delivery and therefore you only need to maintain a counter. At least in my implementation, I'd have to write a separate implementation of that CID "stream", unless we reuse an actual QUIC stream, so as far as I can see, it wouldn't make a big difference. > Not carrying NEW_CID and RETIRE_CID as a "message" on top of "streams" also means that you would have a retransmission logic specific to those frames. Why is that? They'd just be normal retransmittable frames, wouldn't they? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1826#issuecomment-426398819 ----==_mimepart_5bb3c59129c8c_260f3f9bcf6d45c0155867 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Without using a "stream", you'd need to do book-keeping of the CID-seq= uence number relation being received by the NEW_CID frame, because the fr= ames can arrive out-of-order. "Stream" guarantees in-order-delivery and t= herefore you only need to maintain a counter.

At least in my implementation, I'd have to write a separate implementa= tion of that CID "stream", unless we reuse an actual QUIC stream, so as f= ar as I can see, it wouldn't make a big difference.

Not carrying NEW_CID and RETIRE_CID as a "message" on top of "streams"= also means that you would have a retransmission logic specific to those = frames.

Why is that? They'd just be normal retransmittable frames, wouldn't th= ey?

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Conceptually I like the idea, however:

They are not streams, and they will be an odd special case in the stre= am logic. All the nice automatic handling via stream semantics become one= big special case. You can give at a pseudo stream id and feed it into th= e the pipeline unless you starting with modulo 8 stream id's.

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@marten-seemann @mikkelfj The proposed enco= ding of "CID stream" is exactly the same as that of the "CRYPTO stream". = Why cannot you reuse that the same way you would reuse an actual QUIC str= eam?

Not carrying NEW_CID and RETIRE_CID as a "message" on top of "streams"= also means that you would have a retransmission logic specific to those = frames.

Why is that? They'd just be normal retransmittable frames, wouldn't th= ey?

IIUC, there are two ways to send states. One is to retransmit frames. = The other is to transmit the current state when necessary. For stacks tha= t implement the latter approach, NEW_CID and RETIRE_CID will be a special= -purpose logic. I am not saying that it is hard. But "retransmission of f= rames" is not all the stacks have as a concept.

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Yes, that also worries me a bit. But CRYPTO has a limited lifespan and can be done in a hacked custom implementation without interfering with a highly tuned stream implementation. you could also hack the CID stream, but that is then another and longer living hack.

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----==_mimepart_5bb3c9972891f_5b33fbdf02d45b82758ae-- From nobody Tue Oct 2 12:44:23 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72F621310B0 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 12:44:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.456 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.456 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1JXnfsNa0_kX for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 12:44:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-16.smtp.github.com (out-16.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A65FA1310AB for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 12:44:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2018 12:44:19 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538509459; bh=LbPv6aaAn94jaAFqFWs99NUXGeOwNQLFQi1coH9/rys=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=RymMsjb67QuB2v8ci0TIt+30HJq6zmGL0o5x6cIL5DRek3ZpVBUESCnX3XK88eK5S 7HDyAmFPoppmxW0Lzuoa16UZT/9bnOHf+5tgptwLWy0CCYmzrYaNiqDBu5ezvrkxaH XcrOUaKC59UVJjuNg5WA+Q207yGwNVayot9ehipc= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Use a "stream" for transmitting CIDs (#1826) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bb3ca933de91_1e113f7e364d45c42615c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2018 19:44:21 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bb3ca933de91_1e113f7e364d45c42615c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If stream frames need to be ordered, I think tagging a serial on them as proposed in the above is simpler. Then you have no FIN bit or RST whatever to consider. Nor can you write across packet boundaries. Etc. I think your stream proposal already does most of that, so it is actually far from a stream abstraction. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1826#issuecomment-426404958 ----==_mimepart_5bb3ca933de91_1e113f7e364d45c42615c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

If stream frames need to be ordered, I think tagging a serial on them = as proposed in the above is simpler. Then you have no FIN bit or RST what= ever to consider. Nor can you write across packet boundaries. Etc. I thin= k your stream proposal already does most of that, so it is actually far f= rom a stream abstraction.

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----==_mimepart_5bb3cb2a23ec4_56343fcc6c2d45c469418-- From nobody Tue Oct 2 12:47:22 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD50313112E for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 12:47:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.456 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.456 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vVo8JW2shaaq for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 12:47:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AEA98131247 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 12:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2018 12:47:08 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538509628; bh=8L4Sf/9PkS9cohDpBz5Fw5XTN5lPp8WFq89w1JcRF8A=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=DfvW0eYc2oH6LY79RlHfChqHQf/BqBV+Kt1Fb6wq2JVH41tPi5bxmPzmdexaQpeK6 7b3533y5AI8tpzrdvUIvB/YBSeyFesfKCVR7YL7lyBTH5CFDRJavXf/24bnbCnRXaZ nB1NJFCNqHGcQbR7uoNgWqsyYLcMCBzM/B7UoBjY= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Use a "stream" for transmitting CIDs (#1826) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bb3cb3cc9b9e_45bd3f83afad45b89539d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2018 19:47:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bb3cb3cc9b9e_45bd3f83afad45b89539d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > But CRYPTO has a limited lifespan and can be done in a hacked custom implementation without interfering with a highly tuned stream implementation. you could also hack the CID stream, but that is then another and longer living hack. I am not sure if that is true, considering the fact that CRYPTO stream for 1-RTT packets lives forever. > If stream frames need to be ordered, I think tagging a serial on them as proposed in the above is simpler. Then you have no FIN bit or RST whatever to consider. CRYPTO stream that "CID stream" reuses does not have FIN or RST. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1826#issuecomment-426405814 ----==_mimepart_5bb3cb3cc9b9e_45bd3f83afad45b89539d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

But CRYPTO has a limited lifespan and can be done in a hacked custom i= mplementation without interfering with a highly tuned stream implementati= on. you could also hack the CID stream, but that is then another and long= er living hack.

I am not sure if that is true, considering the fact that CRYPTO stream= for 1-RTT packets lives forever.

If stream frames need to be ordered, I think tagging a serial on them = as proposed in the above is simpler. Then you have no FIN bit or RST what= ever to consider.

CRYPTO stream that "CID stream" reuses does not have FIN or RST.

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= ----==_mimepart_5bb3cb3cc9b9e_45bd3f83afad45b89539d-- From nobody Tue Oct 2 12:51:28 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53F8B130DC2 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 12:51:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.456 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.456 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MKHDrVAJssfv for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 12:51:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EE256130FF0 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 12:51:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2018 12:51:23 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538509883; bh=q7Q0LGt8UXvvKvGIFospQ6ljk0ZGWKznPH6S0K23u8Y=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=VbNklvRxpG4cQRRzcNYTMHpo3CD8s1yN0n+1WmZpQH7N0hu06HdE2yMRK5wRVcGId 3N3Aq/oyix6F86xzA+dfTTGRxVcgWOiABpV+MDxtsulf9KBm5CHpQ/rf4/ADVl2HhP STHGZpH4pplLHR24UGcT94qkrTj0JtthkWEwNFAE= From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Use a "stream" for transmitting CIDs (#1826) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bb3cc3b26af0_65903fe1a88d45b8138912"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2018 19:51:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bb3cc3b26af0_65903fe1a88d45b8138912 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I still feel that making them a stream is more overhead than necessary. For instance, if you sent three new CIDs to the peer and the first is lost, if you have a stream design, the second two stay around longer than necessary on the sender side. Overall, I'm still not sure of the problem that currently exists that this is the solution to. What doesn't work with the current model that would require this design to fix? I feel like we're at a phase where we should start taking changes required to fix a particular problem, not changes that (some believe) make for a cleaner design. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1826#issuecomment-426406979 ----==_mimepart_5bb3cc3b26af0_65903fe1a88d45b8138912 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I still feel that making them a stream is more overhead than necessary= . For instance, if you sent three new CIDs to the peer and the first is l= ost, if you have a stream design, the second two stay around longer than = necessary on the sender side.

Overall, I'm still not sure of the problem that currently exists that = this is the solution to. What doesn't work with the current model that wo= uld require this design to fix? I feel like we're at a phase where we sho= uld start taking changes required to fix a particular problem, not change= s that (some believe) make for a cleaner design.

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I am not sure if that is true, considering the fact that CRYPTO stream= for 1-RTT packets lives forever.

I was afraid you'd say that (I haven't reached the HS part in detail).=

CRYPTO stream that "CID stream" reuses does not have FIN or RST.

Which just proves my point, that it is a special case with special han= dling. I actually think it may be fine to do special handling for stream = frames as well, as long as we don't call it streams and instead optimize = it for what it is rather than a leaking abstraction.

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= ----==_mimepart_5bb3cc66e6f03_659f3fe1a88d45b8194656-- From nobody Tue Oct 2 13:09:32 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34BAB1310AB for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 13:09:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.456 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.456 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xrM_L2OjbYYh for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 13:09:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-16.smtp.github.com (out-16.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1DD84131067 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 13:09:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2018 13:09:20 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538510968; bh=OaeoGRuATrxz5agzwnuZOEePWLMGTciOj2chEj7ToKE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=okJZSZOKCO5vS/OMjNDkokvjFuk5oGIYhLcJt4wPX/ESblnJFBCVBE5NSKZBFI1bJ OuZaaM9QTegdb9403WGPGaMOpjf5UvyR7x0IdJ97JVPu5b0A9CrEQjFZv0PKZC1dLn ZjJrYsYvj3K56atdCeHnvO1S3QEDA9yyItaJBkHs= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Use a "stream" for transmitting CIDs (#1826) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bb3d070204a6_675e3fad3b0d45bc2200ec"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2018 20:09:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bb3d070204a6_675e3fad3b0d45bc2200ec Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @nibanks > I still feel that making them a stream is more overhead than necessary. For instance, if you sent three new CIDs to the peer and the first is lost, if you have a stream design, the second two stay around longer than necessary on the sender side. It is true that head-of-line blocking exists. But IMO it is not an issue latency-wise (because there is no need to race for 1-RTT for delivering / retiring CIDs) nor memory-wise (because CIDs are so small compared to stream buffers and because there would only be few CIDs inflight. > Overall, I'm still not sure of the problem that currently exists that this is the solution to. What doesn't work with the current model that would require this design to fix? I feel like we're at a phase where we should start taking changes required to fix a particular problem, not changes that (some believe) make for a cleaner design. FWIW, my view is that the proposal retains the new model (i.e. retirement of CIDs always transmitted as an explicit signal), at the same time changing the transmission framework of the CIDs to a mechanism that have proven record (rather than introducing a framework specific to the purpose). As I have stated earlier, it is beneficial to use a proven method because we are at a later moment like this, instead of trying to fix all the design issues of a framework specific to transmitting CIDs that we haven't seen any interop. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1826#issuecomment-426412476 ----==_mimepart_5bb3d070204a6_675e3fad3b0d45bc2200ec Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@nibanks

I still feel that making them a stream is more overhead than necessary= . For instance, if you sent three new CIDs to the peer and the first is l= ost, if you have a stream design, the second two stay around longer than = necessary on the sender side.

It is true that head-of-line blocking exists. But IMO it is not an iss= ue latency-wise (because there is no need to race for 1-RTT for deliverin= g / retiring CIDs) nor memory-wise (because CIDs are so small compared to= stream buffers and because there would only be few CIDs inflight.

Overall, I'm still not sure of the problem that currently exists that = this is the solution to. What doesn't work with the current model that wo= uld require this design to fix? I feel like we're at a phase where we sho= uld start taking changes required to fix a particular problem, not change= s that (some believe) make for a cleaner design.

FWIW, my view is that the proposal retains the new model (i.e. retirem= ent of CIDs always transmitted as an explicit signal), at the same time c= hanging the transmission framework of the CIDs to a mechanism that have p= roven record (rather than introducing a framework specific to the purpose= ).

As I have stated earlier, it is beneficial to use a proven method beca= use we are at a later moment like this, instead of trying to fix all the = design issues of a framework specific to transmitting CIDs that we haven'= t seen any interop.

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= ----==_mimepart_5bb3d070204a6_675e3fad3b0d45bc2200ec-- From nobody Tue Oct 2 13:16:25 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B086C131110 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 13:16:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.456 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.456 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YEWnVLXGXMbP for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 13:16:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 83E50130FF0 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 13:16:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2018 13:16:20 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538511380; bh=MXpQr6z/aoHZ7dMIs0VfhO0ly9mVfdQX2k/5bHm9B64=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=by7yIlXZ/mNZQmu5rYs+umr6R18YwPNJJWOXZ+9D9POlLBS3bpTMnW8qYAWF6bjx5 xqEpxC1aSEmY2bjXirEyPApfn8JrYMhxa2JhYaI/mMGs6kinPWbzQ/9O0OLfi7SN6t qLPpwRfr5fuduP0dLy3QE3W+HPdye0NseNpt6WLE= From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Use a "stream" for transmitting CIDs (#1826) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bb3d21482d7e_6ef3ffd22ed45b83324b3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2018 20:16:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bb3d21482d7e_6ef3ffd22ed45b83324b3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > the proposal retains the new model (i.e. retirement of CIDs always transmitted as an explicit signal), at the same time changing the transmission framework of the CIDs to a *mechanism that have proven record (rather than introducing a framework specific to the purpose)*. [Emphasis added.] Agree 100%. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1826#issuecomment-426414558 ----==_mimepart_5bb3d21482d7e_6ef3ffd22ed45b83324b3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

the proposal retains the new model (i.e. retirement of CIDs always tra= nsmitted as an explicit signal), at the same time changing the transmissi= on framework of the CIDs to a mechanism that have proven record (rath= er than introducing a framework specific to the purpose).

[Emphasis added.]

Agree 100%.

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= ----==_mimepart_5bb3d21482d7e_6ef3ffd22ed45b83324b3-- From nobody Tue Oct 2 13:18:13 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60CA4130FF0 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 13:18:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.456 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.456 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NkwRD2uo_xKu for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 13:18:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1926813112E for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 13:18:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2018 13:18:06 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538511486; bh=5mQUTQMNCsgX23PxzSxFS5poqsUbS1Dw7cP86S9At44=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=iDY66mf3yDwejIyYLTYOtHatGfmQaEvbPxw1hY00w1fMqSBYTGMaX3YQyVHqA+5GS ybB1zXyiJrU+CK1CXiIGqFaNqtH+a3+KwW6HI0YxrtxIm07CATbI6E97yr2o/1/li4 a6LL84ZxGDNmgUUYCUAs9qmS9HhzU6N2gC7ZOa1o= From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Use a "stream" for transmitting CIDs (#1826) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bb3d27e9db6_20a03feeebad45c03911a0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2018 20:18:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bb3d27e9db6_20a03feeebad45c03911a0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > As I have stated earlier, it is beneficial to use a proven method because we are at a later moment like this, instead of trying to fix all the design issues of a framework specific to transmitting CIDs that we haven't seen any interop. The proven method here is the use of the MAX_NEW_CID frame (because we have that kind of frame for flow control and stream IDs). I'm not sure if putting things on a "stream" will actually simplify implementations. Maybe we can combine your proposal of the MAX_NEW_CID with my proposal of adding a sequence number? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1826#issuecomment-426415126 ----==_mimepart_5bb3d27e9db6_20a03feeebad45c03911a0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

As I have stated earlier, it is beneficial to use a proven method beca= use we are at a later moment like this, instead of trying to fix all the = design issues of a framework specific to transmitting CIDs that we haven'= t seen any interop.

The proven method here is the use of the MAX_NEW_CID frame (because we= have that kind of frame for flow control and stream IDs). I'm not sure i= f putting things on a "stream" will actually simplify implementations.

Maybe we can combine your proposal of the MAX_NEW_CID with my proposal= of adding a sequence number?

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= ----==_mimepart_5bb3d27e9db6_20a03feeebad45c03911a0-- From nobody Tue Oct 2 13:30:59 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59B55131165 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 13:30:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mEw9AaPodusp for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 13:30:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D4D2131160 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 13:30:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2018 13:30:55 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538512255; bh=BEPjWZZgxoB4EDIIoytCu+DNzk8U959sT/6+f4e7TFk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=zVBVqR21vjRbYOkv16qY8ulVwQPsTuIwAItZQBQowJx7J+1JPqJkRD5P8naB03Xw9 X6B4CsPronArBXtGW4RTTGsTj0Spr+KXG0suBU0UZGRiwSz4Y9ZPlErIKISpiVPOv/ EWjPXl8t1iUMyQDOatWs2oyIn4GrMDuqO9B5qQLA= From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Use a "stream" for transmitting CIDs (#1826) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bb3d57f79318_36be3f863fed45b8572520"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2018 20:30:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bb3d57f79318_36be3f863fed45b8572520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I proposed something very similar (use a special stream)... To elaborate on my thinking about this. In my mind, using an actual stream (with STREAM and MAX_STREAM_DATA frames) eliminates the need for new frame types. Imagine a special flow-controlled CID stream. For simplicity, assume CIDs are 8 bytes long. If the flow control window is 64 bytes, writing 32 bytes to the stream (4 CIDs) will trigger a MAX_STREAM_DATA from the peer. This is the signal to write more CIDs to the stream. If the peer is not consuming the CIDs, MAX_STREAM_DATA is not sent and no CIDs are emitted. The original objections to this was that the transport layer does not *own* the streams. I don't know how to respond to this. It seems that adding new frame types and protocol-like specifications around them for every new thing that we think to add to QUIC is not the most pragmatic thing to do. Take the CRYPTO frames, for example: chances are, they are just wrappers on the stream mechanism anyway. Perhaps a stream-based CID mechanism could be made into an extension which would use a new type of unidirectional stream for this purpose. On the other hand, it seems we're going around in circles -- redesigning the design of the Design Team... -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1826#issuecomment-426419088 ----==_mimepart_5bb3d57f79318_36be3f863fed45b8572520 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I proposed something very similar (use a special stream)...

To elaborate on my thinking about this.

In my mind, using an actual stream (with STREAM and MAX_STREAM_DATA fr= ames) eliminates the need for new frame types. Imagine a special flow-co= ntrolled CID stream. For simplicity, assume CIDs are 8 bytes long. If t= he flow control window is 64 bytes, writing 32 bytes to the stream (4 CID= s) will trigger a MAX_STREAM_DATA from the peer. This is the signal to w= rite more CIDs to the stream. If the peer is not consuming the CIDs, MAX= _STREAM_DATA is not sent and no CIDs are emitted.

The original objections to this was that the transport layer does not = own the streams. I don't know how to respond to this. It seems= that adding new frame types and protocol-like specifications around them= for every new thing that we think to add to QUIC is not the most pragmat= ic thing to do. Take the CRYPTO frames, for example: chances are, they a= re just wrappers on the stream mechanism anyway.

Perhaps a stream-based CID mechanism could be made into an extension w= hich would use a new type of unidirectional stream for this purpose.

On the other hand, it seems we're going around in circles -- redesigni= ng the design of the Design Team...

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= ----==_mimepart_5bb3d57f79318_36be3f863fed45b8572520-- From nobody Tue Oct 2 13:43:41 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4763131141 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 13:43:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.456 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.456 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NfVoxSAcp9t5 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 13:43:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8DC1C131165 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 13:43:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=yhqr+VxTsZTiKKc1XoOR2KV0Y70=; b=CeWN8DEZ+FRr8W2y MgI5f+l60jEE9B2msKS9y9juQ4dgk53t22H887UTHU9Pjlqw2IbdhfkNQG+PE0uW zd6GaAXnrkSZXEtttxkP0uFTCp4rODzS4ul+3XvMuTHzkUpxdpViW34hUme+HnWH BFInlSEgR2tGXKQ+ZJpDUUJA9U8= Received: by filter0401p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0401p1iad2-10890-5BB3D871-A 2018-10-02 20:43:29.265911376 +0000 UTC m=+348965.126023365 Received: from github-lowworker-39ccb07.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.40]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id nfPBp706R4-C1Q00PaQcbg for ; Tue, 02 Oct 2018 20:43:29.210 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-39ccb07.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3184740001C for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 13:43:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2018 20:43:29 +0000 (UTC) From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Use a "stream" for transmitting CIDs (#1826) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bb3d87128f4d_2ec93f96336d45bc13489"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1mAKW1WzZk/+3U2TO9tsCLFlNwK3CRZ8gWJ7 yNY1j96LOgm/xlzpo3JMuMml2iq/RuYdOfdwtBRBtPeiTLpX0R5xIDgoYIg9Jf5E8vZeT2qbjXj0Tf iVExhIZA7dBP31SFpH+Kh6+hbBTZ+xDkUIhC48zC0358Sr2xMF9v+Lm1IihcUHXxGqy8sAbxVb1tVS A= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2018 20:43:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bb3d87128f4d_2ec93f96336d45bc13489 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > In my mind, using an actual stream (with STREAM and MAX_STREAM_DATA frames) eliminates the need for new frame types. Imagine a special flow-controlled CID stream. For simplicity, assume CIDs are 8 bytes long. If the flow control window is 64 bytes, writing 32 bytes to the stream (4 CIDs) will trigger a MAX_STREAM_DATA from the peer. This is the signal to write more CIDs to the stream. If the peer is not consuming the CIDs, MAX_STREAM_DATA is not sent and no CIDs are emitted. That seems like a misuse of streams to me. You could end up with CID frames split up in the middle. I'm not saying that this wouldn't work, it just doesn't seem like a nice way to engineer a solution to me. > The original objections to this was that the transport layer does not own the streams. I don't know how to respond to this. It seems that adding new frame types and protocol-like specifications around them for every new thing that we think to add to QUIC is not the most pragmatic thing to do. Take the CRYPTO frames, for example: chances are, they are just wrappers on the stream mechanism anyway. They're not, in my implementation. To me, using frames and protocol-like specification for new protocol features seems like exactly the way things should be. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1826#issuecomment-426422980 ----==_mimepart_5bb3d87128f4d_2ec93f96336d45bc13489 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In my mind, using an actual stream (with STREAM and MAX_STREAM_DATA fram= es) eliminates the need for new frame types. Imagine a special flow-control= led CID stream. For simplicity, assume CIDs are 8 bytes long. If the flow c= ontrol window is 64 bytes, writing 32 bytes to the stream (4 CIDs) will tri= gger a MAX_STREAM_DATA from the peer. This is the signal to write more CIDs= to the stream. If the peer is not consuming the CIDs, MAX_STREAM_DATA is n= ot sent and no CIDs are emitted.

That seems like a misuse of streams to me. You could end up with CID fra= mes split up in the middle. I'm not saying that this wouldn't work, it just= doesn't seem like a nice way to engineer a solution to me.

The original objections to this was that the transport layer does not ow= n the streams. I don't know how to respond to this. It seems that adding ne= w frame types and protocol-like specifications around them for every new th= ing that we think to add to QUIC is not the most pragmatic thing to do. Tak= e the CRYPTO frames, for example: chances are, they are just wrappers on th= e stream mechanism anyway.

They're not, in my implementation.
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Section 8.4.2. of the transport draft (Special Considerations for Packetization Layer PMTU Discovery) says:
"The PADDING frame provides a useful option for PMTU probe packets. PADDING frames generate acknowledgements, but they need not be delivered reliably."

Meanwhile Section 8.1. of the transport draft (Packet Processing and Acknowledgment) contains language suggesting that PADDING frames do not generate acknowledgements. Also I believe this was the conclusion reached in older issues about PADDING frames generating ACKs so Section 8.4.2 is in error.

It may also be helpful, in Section 8.4.2, to state that PING+PADDING is useful for PMTU probe packets, as that will generate an ACK while allowing the packet to be inflated to whatever size necessary.

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----==_mimepart_5bb3da168c66c_5b1e3ff07fed45b8198848-- From nobody Tue Oct 2 13:58:31 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A806131113 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 13:58:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.435 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.435 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, T_SPF_HELO_TEMPERROR=0.01, T_SPF_TEMPERROR=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1cyXrRcs2lxx for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 13:58:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 36C4F1310E3 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 13:58:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2018 13:58:27 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538513907; bh=9A+qQP3Ad9j60oEdjKGoy+JJxEQ4ZhYfraCakzuIkbk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=k+95n2ekZtY/FQrdFtOwp3qIBWVIGVS/5wZVv2iI1mXak+oEfDq4aV+VijPawoW8t 7PIkBTGAf/yEAmXq+e8UfGvk9s7IKjnAl0bpH/7Kp8BEYIlcHRlA6HluuAcV5Kkdj3 Zqs0m6k7i1na0fYhtmiDnS9czn6T6Z4tbG2KkoBY= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] PLPMTUD section claims that PADDING frames generate ACKs (#1827) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bb3dbf311936_57ff3fe309ad45b82881a3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2018 20:58:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bb3dbf311936_57ff3fe309ad45b82881a3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think the 8.1 section is reasonably clear > To avoid creating an indefinite feedback loop, an endpoint MUST NOT send an ACK frame in response to a packet containing only ACK or PADDING frames, even if there are packet gaps which precede the received packet. The endpoint MUST acknowledge packets containing only ACK or PADDING frames in the next ACK frame that it sends. but the next paragraph could be misread even if it is correct: > While PADDING frames do not elicit an ACK frame from a receiver, indeed it does not elicit ACK's, meaning that receiving PADDING does not trigger the peers urge to ACK incoming packets. Only when non-ACK, non-PADDING packets are received, will an ACK be transmitted (and possible during tail loss probe - not sure about that) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1827#issuecomment-426427801 ----==_mimepart_5bb3dbf311936_57ff3fe309ad45b82881a3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think the 8.1 section is reasonably clear

To avoid creating an indefinite feedback loop, an endpoint MUST NOT se= nd an ACK frame in response to a packet containing only ACK or PADDING fr= ames, even if there are packet gaps which precede the received packet. Th= e endpoint MUST acknowledge packets containing only ACK or PADDING frames= in the next ACK frame that it sends.

but the next paragraph could be misread even if it is correct:

While PADDING frames do not elicit an ACK frame from a receiver,

indeed it does not elicit ACK's, meaning that receiving PADDING does n= ot trigger the peers urge to ACK incoming packets. Only when non-ACK, non= -PADDING packets are received, will an ACK be transmitted (and possible d= uring tail loss probe - not sure about that)

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= ----==_mimepart_5bb3dbf311936_57ff3fe309ad45b82881a3-- From nobody Tue Oct 2 14:03:19 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4AF013116D for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 14:03:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.456 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.456 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9kM4ZufTse7Z for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 14:03:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3EBB51310E3 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 14:03:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2018 14:03:14 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538514194; bh=Ogry6g8xaKCf2WBLRPRS+CEY+SE5kkCrjY4g/cWaR8c=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Gwwzp6ODUnc69baa4XJtj7TXdKr/fF70HMF8BEXolSiOb5+RZp7hT/HDyMgXhmg23 g9bhXR1ozMTCfXEhyxpX3+q1q0Fl20fssQfd0QbeSdxU5lT92KMTKLB5YBgDTFNM5G 4LqFtPuBGVlvmG48a0WnqaJH3/SifQ0Z2ULPojks= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Use a "stream" for transmitting CIDs (#1826) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bb3dd12923d4_69603fb9434d45b8678b9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2018 21:03:18 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bb3dd12923d4_69603fb9434d45b8678b9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm dubious about the stream approach. You could model it like flow control, but unlike flow control, there's also the retire issue -- stream data is never really "retired." Also, while there are reasons we want all sequence numbers to be generated in order, there's no reason you need to block using CID 7 because you haven't seen CID 6. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1826#issuecomment-426429346 ----==_mimepart_5bb3dd12923d4_69603fb9434d45b8678b9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm dubious about the stream approach. You could model it like flow c= ontrol, but unlike flow control, there's also the retire issue -- stream = data is never really "retired." Also, while there are reasons we want al= l sequence numbers to be generated in order, there's no reason you need t= o block using CID 7 because you haven't seen CID 6.

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@MikeBishop FWIW, I do not think that flow control of CID= s is essential, even though I included that in this proposal. CRYPTO stre= ams do not have flow control, and "CID frames" would work fine without fl= ow control too (assuming that we continue allowing the receiver to "forge= t" CIDs).

there's also the retire issue -- stream data is never really "retired.= "

Would you mind elaborating on this? For the CID, the proposal has a RE= TIRE message. But I assume you are referring to something else.

Also, while there are reasons we want all sequence numbers to be gener= ated in order, there's no reason you need to block using CID 7 because yo= u haven't seen CID 6.

That's correct. But it is still a requirement for book keeping. My poi= nt is that it would be worthwhile to consider reusing the "streams" appro= ach, if we are to require book keeping using sequence numbers in a situat= ion where HoLB is not a concern.

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You're still building the new/retire machinery inside this proposal, b= ecause it's needed and existing streams don't have that concept. So you = have those messages inside a stream-like structure. I'm having = trouble seeing what this actually makes simpler; I think having frames th= at affect state is a more natural fit to how QUIC works.

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I'd like to see the "when to send" mentioned before nebulously saying what should be sent, personally. > @@ -875,11 +875,18 @@ The first Handshake packet sent by a server contains a packet number of 0. Handshake packets are their own packet number space. Packet numbers are incremented normally for other Handshake packets. -Servers MUST NOT send more than three datagrams including Initial and Handshake -packets without receiving a packet from a verified source address. Source -addresses can be verified through an address validation token -(delivered via a Retry packet or a NEW_TOKEN frame) or by receiving -any message from the client encrypted using the Handshake keys. +Servers MUST NOT send more than three times as many bytes as the number of bytes +received prior to verifying the client's address. Source addresses can be +verified through an address validation token (delivered via a Retry packet or +a NEW_TOKEN frame) or by receiving any message from the client encrypted using s/receiving/processing/ -- it has to be valid; if you can unprotect it, then you're okay. > @@ -875,11 +875,18 @@ The first Handshake packet sent by a server contains a packet number of 0. Handshake packets are their own packet number space. Packet numbers are incremented normally for other Handshake packets. -Servers MUST NOT send more than three datagrams including Initial and Handshake -packets without receiving a packet from a verified source address. Source -addresses can be verified through an address validation token -(delivered via a Retry packet or a NEW_TOKEN frame) or by receiving -any message from the client encrypted using the Handshake keys. +Servers MUST NOT send more than three times as many bytes as the number of bytes +received prior to verifying the client's address. Source addresses can be +verified through an address validation token (delivered via a Retry packet or +a NEW_TOKEN frame) or by receiving any message from the client encrypted using +the Handshake keys. This limit exists to mitigate amplification attacks. + +In order to prevent this limit causing a handshake deadlock, the client SHOULD +send a packet as large as the Initial containing only PADDING if it has no +other data to send and does not yet have the Handshake keys. If the client +has no data to send and the Hanshake keys are available, it SHOULD send a Han**d**shake -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1824#pullrequestreview-160928037 ----==_mimepart_5bb3e140d1d32_136f3fd5422d45b833989c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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I'd like to see the "when to send" mentioned before nebulously saying what should be sent, personally.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -875,11 +875,18 @@ The first Handshake packet sent by a server contains a packet number of 0.
 Handshake packets are their own packet number space.  Packet numbers are
 incremented normally for other Handshake packets.
 
-Servers MUST NOT send more than three datagrams including Initial and Handshake
-packets without receiving a packet from a verified source address.  Source
-addresses can be verified through an address validation token
-(delivered via a Retry packet or a NEW_TOKEN frame) or by receiving
-any message from the client encrypted using the Handshake keys.
+Servers MUST NOT send more than three times as many bytes as the number of bytes
+received prior to verifying the client's address.  Source addresses can be
+verified through an address validation token (delivered via a Retry packet or
+a NEW_TOKEN frame) or by receiving any message from the client encrypted using

s/receiving/processing/ -- it has to be valid; if you can unprotect it, then you're okay.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -875,11 +875,18 @@ The first Handshake packet sent by a server contains a packet number of 0.
 Handshake packets are their own packet number space.  Packet numbers are
 incremented normally for other Handshake packets.
 
-Servers MUST NOT send more than three datagrams including Initial and Handshake
-packets without receiving a packet from a verified source address.  Source
-addresses can be verified through an address validation token
-(delivered via a Retry packet or a NEW_TOKEN frame) or by receiving
-any message from the client encrypted using the Handshake keys.
+Servers MUST NOT send more than three times as many bytes as the number of bytes
+received prior to verifying the client's address.  Source addresses can be
+verified through an address validation token (delivered via a Retry packet or
+a NEW_TOKEN frame) or by receiving any message from the client encrypted using
+the Handshake keys.  This limit exists to mitigate amplification attacks.
+
+In order to prevent this limit causing a handshake deadlock, the client SHOULD
+send a packet as large as the Initial containing only PADDING if it has no
+other data to send and does not yet have the Handshake keys.  If the client
+has no data to send and the Hanshake keys are available, it SHOULD send a

Handshake

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Transmission errors, timeouts and retransmissions might cause the same -NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame to be received multiple times. Receipt of the same -frame multiple times MUST NOT be treated as a connection error. +NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame to be received multiple times. Receipt of the same +frame multiple times MUST NOT be treated as a connection error. A receiver can +use the sequence number supplied in the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame to identify new +connection IDs from old ones. > I think we need to require the sender to always increase by one. On the flip-side, does it require the sender to have a window of CIDs (i.e. the maximum number of CIDs in-flight)? I ask this because unless we have such maximum, it is impossible for the receiver to enforce the rule. If we have an enforcement, then the receiver could use a simple data structure (like holding the most-recent N CIDs where the recency is identified by the sequence number). 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3285,8 +3292,10 @@ zero-length Destination Connection ID MUST treat receipt of a NEW_CONNECTION_ID
 frame as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.
 
 Transmission errors, timeouts and retransmissions might cause the same
-NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame to be received multiple times. Receipt of the same
-frame multiple times MUST NOT be treated as a connection error.
+NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame to be received multiple times.  Receipt of the same
+frame multiple times MUST NOT be treated as a connection error.  A receiver can
+use the sequence number supplied in the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame to identify new
+connection IDs from old ones.

I think we need to require the sender to always increase by one.

On the flip-side, does it require the sender to have a window of CIDs (i.e. the maximum number of CIDs in-flight)?

I ask this because unless we have such maximum, it is impossible for the receiver to enforce the rule.
If we have an enforcement, then the receiver could use a simple data structure (like holding the most-recent N CIDs where the recency is identified by the sequence number). But otherwise, the receivers need to be aware that the sender can try to consume large amount of state by sending a huge gap...

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FWIW, the details of detecting the retransmissions of NCID frame is still under discussion in #1821. Changing to a stream-based approach closes all the corner cases that we need to care.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Section 2.2 of the spin-bit draft states that "each endpoint, client and server, maintains a spin value, 0 or 1, for each QUIC connection." However, this does not work when both endpoints try to coalesce multiple QUIC connections onto a single UDP port. In such case, multiple connections will be sharing the same 5-tuple. Since an observer cannot track each connection1, the spin bit needs to be applied for that 5-tuple so that it would be an useful signal to the observer (who does not have the ability to track each connection across CID changes). [1] Although the initial pair of CIDs is observable, it becomes impossible to track the client's CID and the server's CID that maps to the same connection once the CID changes for the connection. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1828 ----==_mimepart_5bb3fcf53cc56_1cfb3fb7672d45c0924f5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Section 2.2 of the spin-bit draft states that "each endpoint, client and server, maintains a spin value, 0 or 1, for each QUIC connection."

However, this does not work when both endpoints try to coalesce multiple QUIC connections onto a single UDP port.

In such case, multiple connections will be sharing the same 5-tuple.

Since an observer cannot track each connection1, the spin bit needs to be applied for that 5-tuple so that it would be an useful signal to the observer (who does not have the ability to track each connection across CID changes).

[1] Although the initial pair of CIDs is observable, it becomes impossible to track the client's CID and the server's CID that maps to the same connection once the CID changes for the connection.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Agreed, this should definitely be per-path. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Suggestions for your PR, as discussed.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1829

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1249,8 +1252,11 @@ using the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame ({{frame-new-connection-id}}).
 ### Issuing Connection IDs
 
 The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Source Connection ID
-during the handshake.  Subsequent connection IDs are communicated to the peer
-using NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames ({{frame-new-connection-id}}).
+during the handshake.  The sequence number of the initial connection ID is 0. If

Q: Is it really necessary to allocate IDs to connection IDs during the handshake? To me, it makes more sense to only allocate IDs to those that are post-handshake.

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----==_mimepart_5bb42819138e9_73103fc240ad45c02043ed-- From nobody Tue Oct 2 20:10:55 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0531913116D for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 20:10:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lzR1VfhdybVm for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 20:10:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C7D6130FBD for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 20:10:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2018 20:10:49 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538536249; bh=o8N+EkpTASNx//c5z6zhiy0ER45aXnImzr3xjgwE2x0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=mtdcFzAsmfW1AkBuxK1jxoHPrTybJKCa1d2sft22uPAlUeiGwqre6GWhvjoji18vz zdO7xBczMGQaApLNRxZ2hjoXQDF1Yu9Xgy1PijpMlGyFO0RmgaG3hGkngTJidCgbDN ZZ8h1Kex3ter8atxEJtvfKDwfebbLDB1Evp9Nr40= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Contradicting statement about when CID can be changed during the handshake (#1830) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bb4333986e12_7d443ff4c70d45c022242b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2018 03:10:54 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bb4333986e12_7d443ff4c70d45c022242b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit #1794 introduced the following sentence in section 4.4: > All subsequent Initial packets from the client MUST use the connection ID and token values from the Retry packet. I wonder if it contradicts with the following statement in section 4.10: > During the handshake, a client can receive both a Retry and an Initial packet, and thus be given two opportunities to update the Destination Connection ID it sends. A client MUST only change the value it sends in the Destination Connection ID in response to the first packet of each type it receives from the server (Retry or Initial); a server MUST set its value based on the Initial packet. Any additional changes are not permitted; if subsequent packets of those types include a different Source Connection ID, they MUST be discarded. My read is that section 4.10 allows CID of Initial packet to be changed twice at maximum, in case when the client first receives a Retry and then an Initial packet. However, section 4.4 does not allow the latter to happen. To me it seems like an editorial issue introduced in #1794, and IMO it might make sense to drop the description in section 4.4 by instead referring to the provision in 4.10. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1830 ----==_mimepart_5bb4333986e12_7d443ff4c70d45c022242b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

#1794 introduced the following sentence in section 4.4:

All subsequent Initial packets from the client MUST use the connection ID and token values from the Retry packet.

I wonder if it contradicts with the following statement in section 4.10:

During the handshake, a client can receive both a Retry and an Initial packet, and thus be given two opportunities to update the Destination Connection ID it sends. A client MUST only change the value it sends in the Destination Connection ID in response to the first packet of each type it receives from the server (Retry or Initial); a server MUST set its value based on the Initial packet. Any additional changes are not permitted; if subsequent packets of those types include a different Source Connection ID, they MUST be discarded.

My read is that section 4.10 allows CID of Initial packet to be changed twice at maximum, in case when the client first receives a Retry and then an Initial packet. However, section 4.4 does not allow the latter to happen.

To me it seems like an editorial issue introduced in #1794, and IMO it might make sense to drop the description in section 4.4 by instead referring to the provision in 4.10.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1249,8 +1252,11 @@ using the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame ({{frame-new-connection-id}}).
 ### Issuing Connection IDs
 
 The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Source Connection ID
-during the handshake.  Subsequent connection IDs are communicated to the peer
-using NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames ({{frame-new-connection-id}}).
+during the handshake.  The sequence number of the initial connection ID is 0. If

That would result in complications with non-unique 5-tuples if I understand you correctly.

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"Per-path" would be based on the IP address pair, which is not the same though

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Different processes can connect on the same IP pair.

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Different processes can connect on the same IP pair.

Or diffrent machines when a NAT or a L4 load balancer is present.

Anyways, I assume that we agree that the identifier needs to be the 5-= tuple (setting aside what =E2=80=9Cpath=E2=80=9D means).

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Actually two bridges could route traffic between two cloud private networks over a fixed 5-tuple.
I'm not sure it is safe it mix any information across connections.

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----==_mimepart_5bb489cc57280_7bfb3fe3f76d45b44326f6-- From nobody Wed Oct 3 06:08:30 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37895131029 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2018 06:08:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cys6ZoEnF4T0 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2018 06:08:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 03900130FBD for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2018 06:08:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2018 06:08:24 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538572105; bh=Tr+wPjvRAHtYPBj1uOEIlTA90j2Qe/LE6SXnIfdItrU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=C42rONuFVNZhDtOTVz6SUZ+sFVKFiUhI/Dw+KUUm0FYYrHkptkBMcm9ARMNfUY4Yj 3oG9k9yvNwQbQ1QALcDBdWPUp5H42iZyTORHjVArh8hyrScx4Ectg/bkD7UVfdZuEh y94Ms32OTHdjIslzCtbYT5eCfjBWIaoVqyjiunqE= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Sequence for Connection IDs, RETIRE (#1829) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bb4bf48f1e95_23443f955ccd45c07020d0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2018 13:08:28 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bb4bf48f1e95_23443f955ccd45c07020d0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ianswett commented on this pull request. > @@ -1249,8 +1252,11 @@ using the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame ({{frame-new-connection-id}}). ### Issuing Connection IDs The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Source Connection ID -during the handshake. Subsequent connection IDs are communicated to the peer -using NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames ({{frame-new-connection-id}}). +during the handshake. The sequence number of the initial connection ID is 0. If I was thinking that the handshake connection IDs exist, but they don't need an identifier? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1829#discussion_r222301195 ----==_mimepart_5bb4bf48f1e95_23443f955ccd45c07020d0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1249,8 +1252,11 @@ using the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame ({{frame-new-connection-id}}).
 ### Issuing Connection IDs
 
 The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Source Connection ID
-during the handshake.  Subsequent connection IDs are communicated to the peer
-using NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames ({{frame-new-connection-id}}).
+during the handshake.  The sequence number of the initial connection ID is 0. If

I was thinking that the handshake connection IDs exist, but they don't need an identifier?

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Actually two bridges could route traffic between two cloud private net= works over a fixed 5-tuple. I'm not sure it is safe it mix any informatio= n across connections.

It is impractical (if not impossible) for an uncoordinated middlebox t= o coalesce multiple QUIC connections onto a single 5-tuple, even in case = both endpoints use non-zero-length CIDs.

This is because, as I have stated, it is impossible for such a middleb= ox to track a connection across CID changes. Consider the case where a NA= T is coalescing multiple QUIC connections coming from more than one clien= t machine. When a CID change is initiated for one of the connections = by a server, the NAT cannot determine to which client it should forw= ard the packet that contains the new CID.

Therefore, my view is that it is safe for an observer running on the I= nternet to consider QUIC connection(s) using a 5-tuple to be a communicat= ion between two machines, and that it is safe to expect the Spin bit stat= e to be shared among such connections.

FWIW, my expectation is that it would not be uncommon to see multiple = QUIC connections coalesced onto one 5-tuple (at least that will happen wh= en H2O/quicly is run as an edge server), and that spin bit design should = take such deployments into consideration.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1249,8 +1252,11 @@ using the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame ({{frame-new-connection-id}}).
 ### Issuing Connection IDs
 
 The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Source Connection ID
-during the handshake.  Subsequent connection IDs are communicated to the peer
-using NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames ({{frame-new-connection-id}}).
+during the handshake.  The sequence number of the initial connection ID is 0. If

Ah, the id of the id, that is different.

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You are making assumptions about the bridges not understanding the information encoded in the CID's.

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Also, in the bridge scenario, it is not likely that the CID will change.

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----==_mimepart_5bb4c561eba21_67333fb0644d45b4431281-- From nobody Wed Oct 3 06:39:57 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7DDB131270 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2018 06:39:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.455 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.455 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O5DktYTCHHym for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2018 06:39:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 94C7F131029 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2018 06:39:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=pdtW3LAN1LEcxcwQHfP05dL2oeM=; b=fpSTylW8ScOBz3cU qODwTkayJ1cWllv9ZNW4JKA2lSZOIVb2cU/vPornYLKpyu4qQclOStRXiU1ZXCob PnPK5+1dtAOKLLIsqGYM/DFl4pxHeJnoB6lqKTDXujRMezqK9RLeaL/lioKEOpvZ IFWtp7EzFH3T0McZtNWicV13Ccc= Received: by filter0847p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0847p1las1-17963-5BB4C6A7-25 2018-10-03 13:39:51.959314251 +0000 UTC m=+2303339.963045603 Received: from github-lowworker-0b1e58d.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.43]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id sP6GTYBmSUGIlLcZH1UR0g for ; Wed, 03 Oct 2018 13:39:51.882 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-0b1e58d.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D54F03E03CF for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2018 06:39:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2018 13:39:52 +0000 (UTC) From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Spin bit should be applied per each 5-tuple rather than per connection (#1828) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bb4c6a7cea5a_2de13ffc8c4d45b8578fb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0iZ/EpfK5HMGCIkJjh0ej122zbyPQmaLgQZr S531eQt34k0UM/Kgoja1cT/7MQKkEg8w9NemkC63wao5vf6e45V+0tApHvpctzD1ugkaaTCjpWjYfU e8jER4bcLHnfs4xOmiwENiuhGEVQoO9bQZTOoJ6ClTYci4Ys6J8SGm6tAcX4Z0KQOqxHoxdVVAxISx M= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2018 13:39:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bb4c6a7cea5a_2de13ffc8c4d45b8578fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If the bridge can decrypt the information encoded in CID, it would mean that the bridge is not an "uncoordinated" middlebox. What I am pointing out is that it is impossible for an *uncoordinated* middlebox to coalesce QUIC connections. Such middlebox (i.e. NATs) will be far more common than *coordinated* middlebox. It is also my understanding that most endpoints running on the Internet will support CID change. Considering these aspects, my argument is to design spin bit for the cases where such uncoordinated middleboxes exist and CID changes mid-connection, rather than for the cases where you would have coordinated ones. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1828#issuecomment-426640992 ----==_mimepart_5bb4c6a7cea5a_2de13ffc8c4d45b8578fb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

If the bridge can decrypt the information encoded in CID, it would mean = that the bridge is not an "uncoordinated" middlebox.

What I am pointing out is that it is impossible for an uncoordinated= middlebox to coalesce QUIC connections. Such middlebox (i.e. NATs) wi= ll be far more common than coordinated middlebox.

It is also my understanding that most endpoints running on the Internet = will support CID change.

Considering these aspects, my argument is to design spin bit for the cas= es where such uncoordinated middleboxes exist and CID changes mid-connectio= n, rather than for the cases where you would have coordinated ones.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1249,8 +1252,11 @@ using the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame ({{frame-new-connection-id}}).
 ### Issuing Connection IDs
 
 The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Source Connection ID
-during the handshake.  Subsequent connection IDs are communicated to the peer
-using NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames ({{frame-new-connection-id}}).
+during the handshake.  The sequence number of the initial connection ID is 0. If

We can avoid that if the entire CID is sent in the RETIRE_CID frame. That would mean, instead, that issuers need to stop using the contained CID for the current connection iff they are and absorb duplicates by silently consuming RETIRE messages for CIDs which aren't associated with the connection.

By having the sequence number in the RETIRE_CID frame, we make it shorter (one varint) and enable using the same deduplicating code as the consumer of NEW_CID messages.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1249,8 +1252,11 @@ using the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame ({{frame-new-connection-id}}).
 ### Issuing Connection IDs
 
 The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Source Connection ID
-during the handshake.  Subsequent connection IDs are communicated to the peer
-using NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames ({{frame-new-connection-id}}).
+during the handshake.  The sequence number of the initial connection ID is 0. If

I like the use of seq num here. It does serve the dedup purpose, and is easier on implementations as well.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1249,8 +1252,11 @@ using the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame ({{frame-new-connection-id}}).
 ### Issuing Connection IDs
 
 The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Source Connection ID
-during the handshake.  Subsequent connection IDs are communicated to the peer
-using NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames ({{frame-new-connection-id}}).
+during the handshake.  The sequence number of the initial connection ID is 0. If
+the preferred_address transport parameter is sent, the sequence number of the
+supplied connection ID is 1. Subsequent connection IDs are communicated to the
+peer using NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames ({{frame-new-connection-id}}), and the
+sequence number on each newly-issued connection ID MUST increase by 1.

I think this should say something about CIDs on Retry (that they don't really count).

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1249,8 +1252,11 @@ using the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame ({{frame-new-connection-id}}).
 ### Issuing Connection IDs
 
 The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Source Connection ID
-during the handshake.  Subsequent connection IDs are communicated to the peer
-using NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames ({{frame-new-connection-id}}).
+during the handshake.  The sequence number of the initial connection ID is 0. If

So these are given numbers so they can be retired? If so, that makes sense.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -690,9 +690,22 @@ Pseudocode for OnAckReceived and UpdateRtt follow:
     if (sent_packets[ack.largest_acked]):
       latest_rtt = now - sent_packets[ack.largest_acked].time
       UpdateRtt(latest_rtt, ack.ack_delay)
-    // Find all newly acked packets.
+    // Find all newly acked packets and track the smallest
+    smallest_newly_acked = 2^62
     for acked_packet in DetermineNewlyAckedPackets():

Yes, I agree with @ianswett here.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>      for acked_packet in DetermineNewlyAckedPackets():
+      smallest_newly_acked =
+        min(smallest_newly_acked, acked_packet.packet_number)

This assumes an ordering in the processing of the acked packets data structure. I would make this simpler:

// Find all newly acked packets in this ACK frame
newly_acked = DetermineNewlyAckedPackets(ack)

// Find the smallest packet that is newly acked in this ACK frame.
smallest_newly_acked = FindSmallestNewlyAcked(newly_acked)

You don't have to define either function, but add a comment that describes what they do.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -530,6 +532,9 @@ kDelayedAckTimeout:
 kInitialRtt:
 : The RTT used before an RTT sample is taken. The RECOMMENDED value is 100ms.
 
+kInvalidPacketNumber:
+: An invalid packet number.  Any number larger than the largest packet number.

not needed if you use my suggestion below.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>      for acked_packet in DetermineNewlyAckedPackets():
+      smallest_newly_acked =
+        min(smallest_newly_acked, acked_packet.packet_number)

I don't believe it does assume ordering, that's why I'm using a min, but your suggestion works as well.

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----==_mimepart_5bb51c0f6169e_15503fcc318d45b8240fd-- From nobody Wed Oct 3 12:44:45 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C70F129619 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2018 12:44:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.455 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.455 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tp49XOltYRxX for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2018 12:44:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0205E129385 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2018 12:44:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2018 12:44:40 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538595880; bh=LFbz8e8Q+J+rpVe14H9lxXOowoLWMqNywisUQIwyfmY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=gOWGWatWEJY2SURTrBjt0bhov9/WHN2lNiZ2EYvERVSfv83j93aC5tPopsX2yhzDh 4t8H+AGauasomoA9P3se8wDmN4peuRK5Oe7SEXRyokkWbysYnuSujzxPQO12mrJdMX cldHszGyg8cf+jb5iW1UH5AUB1d1PACLmNk+taNM= From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handshake deadlock (#1824) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bb51c2844666_4583fe3eead45b46641f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2018 19:44:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bb51c2844666_4583fe3eead45b46641f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinduke commented on this pull request. If it's too late and you're cool with the changes, I can drop a PR. > @@ -875,11 +875,18 @@ The first Handshake packet sent by a server contains a packet number of 0. Handshake packets are their own packet number space. Packet numbers are incremented normally for other Handshake packets. -Servers MUST NOT send more than three datagrams including Initial and Handshake -packets without receiving a packet from a verified source address. Source -addresses can be verified through an address validation token -(delivered via a Retry packet or a NEW_TOKEN frame) or by receiving -any message from the client encrypted using the Handshake keys. +Servers MUST NOT send more than three times as many bytes as the number of bytes +received prior to verifying the client's address. Source addresses can be +verified through an address validation token (delivered via a Retry packet or +a NEW_TOKEN frame) or by receiving any message from the client encrypted using +the Handshake keys. This limit exists to mitigate amplification attacks. + +In order to prevent this limit causing a handshake deadlock, the client SHOULD +send a packet as large as the Initial containing only PADDING if it has no +other data to send and does not yet have the Handshake keys. If the client +has no data to send and the Hanshake keys are available, it SHOULD send a ... send a Handshake packet ... > -packets without receiving a packet from a verified source address. Source -addresses can be verified through an address validation token -(delivered via a Retry packet or a NEW_TOKEN frame) or by receiving -any message from the client encrypted using the Handshake keys. +Servers MUST NOT send more than three times as many bytes as the number of bytes +received prior to verifying the client's address. Source addresses can be +verified through an address validation token (delivered via a Retry packet or +a NEW_TOKEN frame) or by receiving any message from the client encrypted using +the Handshake keys. This limit exists to mitigate amplification attacks. + +In order to prevent this limit causing a handshake deadlock, the client SHOULD +send a packet as large as the Initial containing only PADDING if it has no +other data to send and does not yet have the Handshake keys. If the client +has no data to send and the Hanshake keys are available, it SHOULD send a +packet with a single byte of padding. Details on when to send these PADDING +packets are in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. I couldn't find these details after a quick skim. > @@ -875,11 +875,18 @@ The first Handshake packet sent by a server contains a packet number of 0. Handshake packets are their own packet number space. Packet numbers are incremented normally for other Handshake packets. -Servers MUST NOT send more than three datagrams including Initial and Handshake -packets without receiving a packet from a verified source address. Source -addresses can be verified through an address validation token -(delivered via a Retry packet or a NEW_TOKEN frame) or by receiving -any message from the client encrypted using the Handshake keys. +Servers MUST NOT send more than three times as many bytes as the number of bytes +received prior to verifying the client's address. Source addresses can be +verified through an address validation token (delivered via a Retry packet or +a NEW_TOKEN frame) or by receiving any message from the client encrypted using I think valid resumption keys should also be sufficient. > @@ -875,11 +875,18 @@ The first Handshake packet sent by a server contains a packet number of 0. Handshake packets are their own packet number space. Packet numbers are incremented normally for other Handshake packets. -Servers MUST NOT send more than three datagrams including Initial and Handshake -packets without receiving a packet from a verified source address. Source -addresses can be verified through an address validation token -(delivered via a Retry packet or a NEW_TOKEN frame) or by receiving -any message from the client encrypted using the Handshake keys. +Servers MUST NOT send more than three times as many bytes as the number of bytes +received prior to verifying the client's address. Source addresses can be +verified through an address validation token (delivered via a Retry packet or +a NEW_TOKEN frame) or by receiving any message from the client encrypted using +the Handshake keys. This limit exists to mitigate amplification attacks. + +In order to prevent this limit causing a handshake deadlock, the client SHOULD Is SHOULD sufficient? I feel like this a MUST, or compliant implementations will never complete under certain otherwise recoverable loss scenarios. Perhaps the recovery draft is more strict? > @@ -875,11 +875,18 @@ The first Handshake packet sent by a server contains a packet number of 0. Handshake packets are their own packet number space. Packet numbers are incremented normally for other Handshake packets. -Servers MUST NOT send more than three datagrams including Initial and Handshake -packets without receiving a packet from a verified source address. Source -addresses can be verified through an address validation token -(delivered via a Retry packet or a NEW_TOKEN frame) or by receiving -any message from the client encrypted using the Handshake keys. +Servers MUST NOT send more than three times as many bytes as the number of bytes I suggest a rephrase: Prior to verifying the client's address, servers MUST NOT send more than three times as many bytes as the number of bytes received. > @@ -875,11 +875,18 @@ The first Handshake packet sent by a server contains a packet number of 0. Handshake packets are their own packet number space. Packet numbers are incremented normally for other Handshake packets. -Servers MUST NOT send more than three datagrams including Initial and Handshake -packets without receiving a packet from a verified source address. Source -addresses can be verified through an address validation token -(delivered via a Retry packet or a NEW_TOKEN frame) or by receiving -any message from the client encrypted using the Handshake keys. +Servers MUST NOT send more than three times as many bytes as the number of bytes +received prior to verifying the client's address. Source addresses can be +verified through an address validation token (delivered via a Retry packet or +a NEW_TOKEN frame) or by processing any message from the client encrypted using Why not valid resumption keys? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1824#pullrequestreview-161327536 ----==_mimepart_5bb51c2844666_4583fe3eead45b46641f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@martinduke commented on this pull request.

If it's too late and you're cool with the changes, I can drop a PR.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -875,11 +875,18 @@ The first Handshake packet sent by a server contains a packet number of 0.
 Handshake packets are their own packet number space.  Packet numbers are
 incremented normally for other Handshake packets.
 
-Servers MUST NOT send more than three datagrams including Initial and Handshake
-packets without receiving a packet from a verified source address.  Source
-addresses can be verified through an address validation token
-(delivered via a Retry packet or a NEW_TOKEN frame) or by receiving
-any message from the client encrypted using the Handshake keys.
+Servers MUST NOT send more than three times as many bytes as the number of bytes
+received prior to verifying the client's address.  Source addresses can be
+verified through an address validation token (delivered via a Retry packet or
+a NEW_TOKEN frame) or by receiving any message from the client encrypted using
+the Handshake keys.  This limit exists to mitigate amplification attacks.
+
+In order to prevent this limit causing a handshake deadlock, the client SHOULD
+send a packet as large as the Initial containing only PADDING if it has no
+other data to send and does not yet have the Handshake keys.  If the client
+has no data to send and the Hanshake keys are available, it SHOULD send a

... send a Handshake packet ...

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -packets without receiving a packet from a verified source address.  Source
-addresses can be verified through an address validation token
-(delivered via a Retry packet or a NEW_TOKEN frame) or by receiving
-any message from the client encrypted using the Handshake keys.
+Servers MUST NOT send more than three times as many bytes as the number of bytes
+received prior to verifying the client's address.  Source addresses can be
+verified through an address validation token (delivered via a Retry packet or
+a NEW_TOKEN frame) or by receiving any message from the client encrypted using
+the Handshake keys.  This limit exists to mitigate amplification attacks.
+
+In order to prevent this limit causing a handshake deadlock, the client SHOULD
+send a packet as large as the Initial containing only PADDING if it has no
+other data to send and does not yet have the Handshake keys.  If the client
+has no data to send and the Hanshake keys are available, it SHOULD send a
+packet with a single byte of padding.  Details on when to send these PADDING
+packets are in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.

I couldn't find these details after a quick skim.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -875,11 +875,18 @@ The first Handshake packet sent by a server contains a packet number of 0.
 Handshake packets are their own packet number space.  Packet numbers are
 incremented normally for other Handshake packets.
 
-Servers MUST NOT send more than three datagrams including Initial and Handshake
-packets without receiving a packet from a verified source address.  Source
-addresses can be verified through an address validation token
-(delivered via a Retry packet or a NEW_TOKEN frame) or by receiving
-any message from the client encrypted using the Handshake keys.
+Servers MUST NOT send more than three times as many bytes as the number of bytes
+received prior to verifying the client's address.  Source addresses can be
+verified through an address validation token (delivered via a Retry packet or
+a NEW_TOKEN frame) or by receiving any message from the client encrypted using

I think valid resumption keys should also be sufficient.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -875,11 +875,18 @@ The first Handshake packet sent by a server contains a packet number of 0.
 Handshake packets are their own packet number space.  Packet numbers are
 incremented normally for other Handshake packets.
 
-Servers MUST NOT send more than three datagrams including Initial and Handshake
-packets without receiving a packet from a verified source address.  Source
-addresses can be verified through an address validation token
-(delivered via a Retry packet or a NEW_TOKEN frame) or by receiving
-any message from the client encrypted using the Handshake keys.
+Servers MUST NOT send more than three times as many bytes as the number of bytes
+received prior to verifying the client's address.  Source addresses can be
+verified through an address validation token (delivered via a Retry packet or
+a NEW_TOKEN frame) or by receiving any message from the client encrypted using
+the Handshake keys.  This limit exists to mitigate amplification attacks.
+
+In order to prevent this limit causing a handshake deadlock, the client SHOULD

Is SHOULD sufficient? I feel like this a MUST, or compliant implementations will never complete under certain otherwise recoverable loss scenarios. Perhaps the recovery draft is more strict?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -875,11 +875,18 @@ The first Handshake packet sent by a server contains a packet number of 0.
 Handshake packets are their own packet number space.  Packet numbers are
 incremented normally for other Handshake packets.
 
-Servers MUST NOT send more than three datagrams including Initial and Handshake
-packets without receiving a packet from a verified source address.  Source
-addresses can be verified through an address validation token
-(delivered via a Retry packet or a NEW_TOKEN frame) or by receiving
-any message from the client encrypted using the Handshake keys.
+Servers MUST NOT send more than three times as many bytes as the number of bytes

I suggest a rephrase:

Prior to verifying the client's address, servers MUST NOT send more than three times as many bytes as the number of bytes received.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -875,11 +875,18 @@ The first Handshake packet sent by a server contains a packet number of 0.
 Handshake packets are their own packet number space.  Packet numbers are
 incremented normally for other Handshake packets.
 
-Servers MUST NOT send more than three datagrams including Initial and Handshake
-packets without receiving a packet from a verified source address.  Source
-addresses can be verified through an address validation token
-(delivered via a Retry packet or a NEW_TOKEN frame) or by receiving
-any message from the client encrypted using the Handshake keys.
+Servers MUST NOT send more than three times as many bytes as the number of bytes
+received prior to verifying the client's address.  Source addresses can be
+verified through an address validation token (delivered via a Retry packet or
+a NEW_TOKEN frame) or by processing any message from the client encrypted using

Why not valid resumption keys?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -736,6 +733,18 @@ and will contain a CRYPTO frame with an offset matching the size of the CRYPTO
 frame sent in the first Initial packet.  Cryptographic handshake messages
 subsequent to the first do not need to fit within a single UDP datagram.
 
+### Handling of Fatal Initial Packets
+
+The contents of some Initial packets may, according to this specification, force

I'm not a big fan of a specification saying you can ignore the specification; I'd prefer consistency. You removed the language above indicating that things should be fatal, so you're part-way there.

Perhaps something like "Receipt of an invalid Initial packet could indicate an injection attack rather than a peer failure. Endpoints abort a connection attempt if no valid Initial packets are received after an appropriate timeout." That gives enough latitude that the timeout could be immediate or a long observation for multiple possibilities.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -875,11 +875,18 @@ The first Handshake packet sent by a server contains a packet number of 0.
 Handshake packets are their own packet number space.  Packet numbers are
 incremented normally for other Handshake packets.
 
-Servers MUST NOT send more than three datagrams including Initial and Handshake
-packets without receiving a packet from a verified source address.  Source
-addresses can be verified through an address validation token
-(delivered via a Retry packet or a NEW_TOKEN frame) or by receiving
-any message from the client encrypted using the Handshake keys.
+Servers MUST NOT send more than three times as many bytes as the number of bytes

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----==_mimepart_5bb538b623505_3bfa3fc1f94d45b8147496-- From nobody Wed Oct 3 14:47:01 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B808130DDA for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2018 14:46:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.455 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.455 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lK-khj4_tcVz for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2018 14:46:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A284130E0A for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2018 14:46:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2018 14:46:48 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538603208; bh=/YAG0t5x0RI4dEEyEQa39ZbXo3FYx0oz2dtqm5Dq4ks=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=m251FZ9Kco7J/GpuPJcsUOo8ls7jkSPUWZOSvZ0slGzzboCwVTSSOY1I4pOZW4C/+ VIRBRS8ko9GLqTucqK0dzqY00BuVp67kV6lPHYGpa/QfbQZWv8Pe47vkU7MNzh5MM1 sXmiq0uLWY/I5y/ngkDaKqKq+MQ0PbPsOrjN3M4I= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handshake deadlock (#1824) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bb538c89b0a8_120a3f936bed45c013241b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2018 21:47:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bb538c89b0a8_120a3f936bed45c013241b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinduke I was meaning to follow up with a PR to fix recovery, but if you have time, that would be very helpful. If not, I'll try to send out one tomorrow. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1824#issuecomment-426814397 ----==_mimepart_5bb538c89b0a8_120a3f936bed45c013241b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@martinduke I was meaning to follow up with a PR to fix recovery, but if you have time, that would be very helpful. If not, I'll try to send out one tomorrow.

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This should be addressed by #1742 and #1821. Please re-open or file a new issue if not.

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This should be addressed by #1742 and #1821. Please re-open or file a new issue if not.

Note that the design team decided that revoking an issued CID was not a scenario we wanted to support for QUICv1.

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This should be addressed by #1821, which defines the handshake CID as 0 and the SPA CID as 1. Please re-open or file a new issue if not.

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----==_mimepart_5bb541aa29d8f_408d3f9c498d45bc479dc-- From nobody Wed Oct 3 15:24:52 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33E8C129385 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2018 15:24:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.455 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.455 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VUlRRU78PMtc for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2018 15:24:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-10.smtp.github.com (out-10.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 51E7C126F72 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2018 15:24:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2018 15:24:44 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538605484; bh=afrNb0y0tGqOhjs8cZEP5j6CoJ5zywo8n1+qRsn6vao=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=dMgqZiRi3yCJSi1oneT1paB0hMXntByl+03y3cUXAIqWDReF3uA3dgxnohxFlU9bC +7PIUVPv+zUT50wRjLs+oWXmsK91/Q2pHwUAPRen3kQzdxblpLhqAWQN6ByuL1d9Gj 5ICFI4RwninrveOAim5FVl8QYMqd076bFurLGM60= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Connection ID Sequence Number and Server's Preferred Address (#1483) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bb541acb7de4_2fe33fde462d45c4624d0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2018 22:24:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bb541acb7de4_2fe33fde462d45c4624d0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This should be addressed by #1821, which defines the handshake CID as 0 and the SPA CID as 1. Please re-open or file a new issue if not. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1483#issuecomment-426823991 ----==_mimepart_5bb541acb7de4_2fe33fde462d45c4624d0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This should be addressed by #1821, which defines the handshake CID as 0 and the SPA CID as 1. Please re-open or file a new issue if not.

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This should be mostly addressed by #1742. Each time a CID is retired, it should be replaced. The issuer is responsible for issuing enough CIDs that exhaustion is unlikely; ensuring that exhaustion is impossible is not in scope for QUICv1.

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Closed #1468.

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This should be addressed by #1742. Peers are expected to replace each retired CID.

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----==_mimepart_5bb5426166f78_40433fdd7a6d45c442044-- From nobody Wed Oct 3 15:27:57 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86BBC129385 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2018 15:27:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pqHj-4OiBQxF for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2018 15:27:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8CA13130DCB for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2018 15:27:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2018 15:27:50 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538605670; bh=LE+KF3Q5o82zjon1kvamB9ARqRSdfVBYwUyfUFGZPnI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=eZ4yV2s6fp7jug4IIa+UFNwS1jUuEdyghHABSeXPFEEnjElgVGEWAoF5dRsjEtgTC UtvzVrxj/gLWy4JNnK/rwrIBDqXoQAw8bKJbljqF2cYzAFfiudQoWxyv7F1/U6kwOi YnltVsrMb3SQ+U8nftH8VD20X0hcLXbtgHdgGwUE= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Confusion about number of outstanding CIDs (#1464) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bb54266a259a_43133faac24d45c0437d4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2018 22:27:54 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bb54266a259a_43133faac24d45c0437d4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #1464. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1464#event-1883215142 ----==_mimepart_5bb54266a259a_43133faac24d45c0437d4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Closed #1464.

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----==_mimepart_5bb54266a259a_43133faac24d45c0437d4-- From nobody Wed Oct 3 15:30:25 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30420130DBE for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2018 15:30:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.455 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.455 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Yabs14IFi8l4 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2018 15:30:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1AF49126F72 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2018 15:30:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2018 15:30:20 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538605820; bh=4gs2c5VWzj5c+jsUzgK4SsrYzLOqOPIllhMLd6J100g=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ikVrVEU0mLvKLMf/cbEonLF7lVvK7zD4R5Pm7shf30wXUNdkS48EslC9dXoxCI/OJ xxZLpP5o84FgULWw2WuFheBZGMrWuHDfFdvphtaQkUj+btXbzzxaQzb6y0j0/a5q1f jUe6Wexd4oZIeNLvKp6T1VRIdLEnWF7mFgHZcGs8= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Contradicting statement about when CID can be changed during the handshake (#1830) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bb542fc5ecdd_39c43fecf6cd45c4647dd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2018 22:30:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bb542fc5ecdd_39c43fecf6cd45c4647dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think the intent here is clear, but you're correct that we should clean up the text. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1830#issuecomment-426825165 ----==_mimepart_5bb542fc5ecdd_39c43fecf6cd45c4647dd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think the intent here is clear, but you're correct that we should clean up the text.

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(#1831) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bb5ad8c2d68d_6f2f3fbcc32d45b4187267"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2018 06:05:04 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bb5ad8c2d68d_6f2f3fbcc32d45b4187267 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm wondering if it would be useful to optionally allow SH packets to carry a packet length field, as LH packets do. This would allow SH packets to be coalesced behind SH packets, which might be useful? We could burn a flag bit to indicate the presence of said packet length field, but before doing a more detailed design I'd like to understand if coalescing of SH packets behind SH packets is something that anyone cares about? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1831 ----==_mimepart_5bb5ad8c2d68d_6f2f3fbcc32d45b4187267 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'm wondering if it would be useful to optionally allow SH packets to carry a packet length field, as LH packets do. This would allow SH packets to be coalesced behind SH packets, which might be useful?

We could burn a flag bit to indicate the presence of said packet length field, but before doing a more detailed design I'd like to understand if coalescing of SH packets behind SH packets is something that anyone cares about?

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----==_mimepart_5bb5ad8c2d68d_6f2f3fbcc32d45b4187267-- From nobody Wed Oct 3 23:30:34 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B8B8130DE8 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2018 23:30:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HWnx4gSj2jy0 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2018 23:30:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C3599130DE7 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2018 23:30:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2018 23:30:30 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538634630; bh=C3JiltE2Ys54Z34kb/w/tXIneKJkoWdW5/4jQWpxYFo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ELFfnyZ4n8L991dsVkZJbQj2eLAi0QV79TaSZOUo2QjoTY/f5rg4DQr92rS7z47x6 detqhz62iWFXKIrzQplx0zKM4Dw43SIqPwAJ1xGZ3Rt0J9NQxXY/f4zlV6r2lyP80J 0K1CMuyureMvQzHYZL2ehexoZt0+xZds/j4dBEs0= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Optional packet length field in the short header? (#1831) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bb5b386b4235_8063fe60f2d45bc1139fb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2018 06:30:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bb5b386b4235_8063fe60f2d45bc1139fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you do that, you should also consider it in the context of transports other than UDP. I.e. ensure that the context ID (there, I said it, it is not a connection ID) is sufficient over header less transports such as a RS232 bus. As to coalescing just for the sake of coalescing, I think it will just complicate things. As soon as you have short headers, you can do all sorts of optimizations with packet delivery and processing, but if you must also deal with coalescing at this level, it complicates things, so there need to be a good reason for that. I'm not sure why coalescing would be useful for its own sake, over a UDP transport. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1831#issuecomment-426900526 ----==_mimepart_5bb5b386b4235_8063fe60f2d45bc1139fb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

If you do that, you should also consider it in the context of transpor= ts other than UDP. I.e. ensure that the context ID (there, I said it, it = is not a connection ID) is sufficient over header less transports such as= a RS232 bus.

As to coalescing just for the sake of coalescing, I think it will just= complicate things. As soon as you have short headers, you can do all sor= ts of optimizations with packet delivery and processing, but if you must = also deal with coalescing at this level, it complicates things, so there = need to be a good reason for that.

I'm not sure why coalescing would be useful for its own sake, over a U= DP transport.

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I think requiring 3 octets of frames is more restrictive that we need = to be. I would prefer saying that QUIC packets MUST verify length(p= acket number) + length(payload) >=3D 4, and if implementors wan= t to do that by always ensuring 3 bytes of frames that's fine.

This sounds like a neat approach.

I meant that we XOR over the payload if the packet number length is &l= t; 4.

I am not sure if I like the idea. Because it might be an additional co= mplexity to the hardware decoders. In the current design, payload is decr= ypted only once by an AEAD cipher. This change would mean that it can be = decrypted twice, first by a CTR cipher and then by an AEAD cipher.

As @martinthomson points out, we discussed in New York a= bout moving the PN length bits to the first octet. Assuming that we adopt= that change, I think there would be no reason to prefer always CTR-decry= pting 4 octets. The different is just having a different order between pi= cking the specified length and applying CTR.

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= ----==_mimepart_5bb5c4eb7141e_5d043fd1a1ed45c44409de-- From nobody Thu Oct 4 06:27:50 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D11A112F1AB for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 06:27:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.456 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.456 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qxk0JC3oCyGO for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 06:27:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F1E00128CE4 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 06:27:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=TlZb1xbaAuJYTjBk97meh9Htwh0=; b=ZaVT5LVKCLDJkicn SPN0rRMdsnmv0fvJClAuH9zpaOlDlZwh/P9BT2oVfaT7Pyr+pKrw1rMIXxFUGe8I etRJ/AeAxsh8kZsoMl326aoOcHslEh8igE3rEm6EogrQJZn1s9yed48eG+NRkMsu tDFuQK/Hmv0+y8n0tB6K0qZP5Nc= Received: by filter1294p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1294p1mdw1-25904-5BB61551-25 2018-10-04 13:27:45.558558072 +0000 UTC m=+760456.459415095 Received: from github-lowworker-1c220e1.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.44]) by ismtpd0010p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id BzfanZefSQmT0Tzyv7136A for ; Thu, 04 Oct 2018 13:27:45.529 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-1c220e1.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F62116358C for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 06:27:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2018 13:27:45 +0000 (UTC) From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Optional packet length field in the short header? (#1831) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bb615517a2c6_76e63f8a3bed45b8216846e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0Ni9AKv2ueiCyWyn4jsuX0fX5R2BCX4xmbA0 ryxIxaKLypllmw+LWvi8OY6YRYY09cE2mNvFuSln8465J5bHWcVHJmHWIy89QQyaGRr55445s7c8hB 7cU2GpNUrEHsqGQXOvupYo8rReNDwWiQkPcus16NfjDcjkFi0WMX0bJMN4UzOcJwR1qF8k7Ht4cIW8 E= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2018 13:27:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bb615517a2c6_76e63f8a3bed45b8216846e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At least with my implementation, I don't see a need to coalesce SH packets. I fill each SH packet to the max of the UDP payload size and then move to the next packet. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1831#issuecomment-427018136 ----==_mimepart_5bb615517a2c6_76e63f8a3bed45b8216846e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

At least with my implementation, I don't see a need to coalesce SH packets. I fill each SH packet to the max of the UDP payload size and then move to the next packet.

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----==_mimepart_5bb615517a2c6_76e63f8a3bed45b8216846e-- From nobody Thu Oct 4 07:57:32 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 047F0130E3C for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 07:57:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.456 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.456 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yq2EDkJQ6L4e for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 07:57:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-10.smtp.github.com (out-10.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 860E712958B for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 07:57:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2018 07:57:26 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538665047; bh=Ux7LSqI6Bat3U8lW+JMt5OPseI72nrPwMcI/Fi1oFxU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=s1eJFRNN6n9EXGjuEvzpWrFy+RKfy/DrbbFeBVIvEMfLBJ5qsOS/GQ7bpfeNBfjB/ YgwmOene+7Z6rzz3Wyq2iXi8UokBBDvPM8EhD9zsA8OCde5/btaWYZ/pwn7Z7Wzthi TKCV+KjCg0D7OChWU42VWXMqeNy725ezHZznSXNE= From: Brian Trammell Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Optional packet length field in the short header? (#1831) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bb62a56a550b_fc13f8a3bed45b8982535"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: britram X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2018 14:57:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bb62a56a550b_fc13f8a3bed45b8982535 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I also don't see the point here; LH* SH? seems to be sufficient given the semantics of the two header types. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1831#issuecomment-427051263 ----==_mimepart_5bb62a56a550b_fc13f8a3bed45b8982535 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I also don't see the point here; LH* SH? seems to be sufficient given the semantics of the two header types.

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I do think it might be a good idea to reserve the bit for use cases such as non-UDP transport, but that is not to say that has to happen in V1, or ever over UDP.

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Random note: compiler explorer is very useful for comparing things like this. E.g. https://godbolt.org/z/YEOwVM

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Could someone please point me at the issue or PR for the PN length bits change proposed in New York, if it exists?

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----==_mimepart_5bb657832f30d_76c43ff9b4ad45c472094-- From nobody Thu Oct 4 14:19:07 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69C5412F1A5 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 14:19:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mYnweeqhJ5Vw for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 14:19:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E60CE12F1A6 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 14:19:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2018 14:19:03 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538687943; bh=Q0xMK4erpZyS7ao6UE/x4r3uNw6+qe3zh6h6kV+uRnY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=TyykgXwL7MSN+SRewWuHgZ4GG284eonRe5+1wHMNNDWAtFGyesKpXw1O5OOE6CguZ ab4dIWdCiN62kRJ8faxOBxBfS6teAqN71H/svLo3x+dEmNXSLmLDmSc50qDIvozs3u fuvuZjQm6qFbuNW9BMd/0Dn1tZOV5htCp8CFCWJc= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Consider simplifying Packet Number Encryption (#1575) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bb683c7d8f1c_1c7c3fb7ae2d45c43942f3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2018 21:19:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bb683c7d8f1c_1c7c3fb7ae2d45c43942f3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Minutes with a link to the slides is available at https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/blob/master/interim-18-09/minutes.md#first-octet---martin-thomson. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1575#issuecomment-427173029 ----==_mimepart_5bb683c7d8f1c_1c7c3fb7ae2d45c43942f3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Minutes with a link to the slides is available at https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/blob/master/interim-18-09/minutes.md#first-octet---martin-thomson.

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----==_mimepart_5bb683c7d8f1c_1c7c3fb7ae2d45c43942f3-- From nobody Thu Oct 4 14:20:36 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7AF5130E9D for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 14:20:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.456 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.456 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cWQwVEw-W1Dl for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 14:20:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D936130DE3 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 14:20:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2018 14:20:31 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538688031; bh=8pywTjtX2sxIcann0Pu8ph90yzSayyvzkqSfW40aVvU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ZCB4+JbWRmG7RhgnN6Zc5phOBBdT0ZqTPjNIOjIvQAl3aCqVxT17L8L2eVYtyN/F/ f/AqkH9ftby6d23cOuDlRB7E5DvVLnrDbMa0iV7zR/gkQUhiZymtRnZ/iL93tDKjtE gnymWH9SkTw7DVzV1WfmcP7snnJQT70h5m7ANmYE= From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP: State that an empty SETTINGS frame is legal (#1832) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bb6841f5ba5d_3eed3fa89eed45b42984c8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2018 21:20:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bb6841f5ba5d_3eed3fa89eed45b42984c8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [draft-ietf-quic-http-15](https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-http-15#section-4.2.6) states: ``` A SETTINGS frame MUST be sent as the first frame of either control stream (see Section 3) by each peer [...] ``` Because both HTTP settings have default values, one should be able to send an empty _SETTINGS_ frame to indicate that the defaults are used. Nevertheless, this is not specified in the draft. I think it should be. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1832 ----==_mimepart_5bb6841f5ba5d_3eed3fa89eed45b42984c8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

draft-ietf-quic-http-15 states:

   A SETTINGS frame MUST be sent as the first frame of either control
   stream (see Section 3) by each peer [...]

Because both HTTP settings have default values, one should be able to send an empty SETTINGS frame to indicate that the defaults are used. Nevertheless, this is not specified in the draft. I think it should be.

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----==_mimepart_5bb6841f5ba5d_3eed3fa89eed45b42984c8-- From nobody Thu Oct 4 14:35:43 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A32E130DC8 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 14:35:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RXZgKSdTMsVb for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 14:35:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 88FD112D7EA for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 14:35:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2018 14:35:39 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538688939; bh=8dFB2dg2VQsxJcyPM04k1SR3FrnVEjbrPD+1b/cNqSk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ySplb5SslY990/8JVT/SyaaJjVyyCXp/6FPNt/DgrM5jc7reUqA/iH3UOGZqQjlOk gbyAmtUUOReQYa0iwE02Uf/eccYaLwN1j17qQhxrxL6gRnz+jOQLMGUltaJF0VIem7 LJeZGMX9N0WTlPFphITydN7TfYEYNLVMfF/BGi9E= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP: State that an empty SETTINGS frame is legal (#1832) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bb687abab185_3b173fdd10ad45bc68775e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2018 21:35:42 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bb687abab185_3b173fdd10ad45bc68775e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A reasonable clarification. I don't think anything currently *prohibits* a SETTINGS frame from being empty, but we should explicitly state that it contains zero or more values. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1832#issuecomment-427177652 ----==_mimepart_5bb687abab185_3b173fdd10ad45bc68775e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

A reasonable clarification. I don't think anything currently prohibits a SETTINGS frame from being empty, but we should explicitly state that it contains zero or more values.

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Since QUIC uses its own mechanism, the spec should say the TLS-level KeyUpdate MUST NOT be sent and MUST be treated as a fatal error on receive.

Otherwise an implementation may forget about this and, when TLS sees a KeyUpdate, call some callback in some weird unexpected way and confuse things.

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----==_mimepart_5bb68c0fccbc2_79c3fe5904d45bc70889e-- From nobody Thu Oct 4 15:12:11 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2CA1130DE3 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 15:12:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kJoPLKZhZ_b9 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 15:12:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 03F80130934 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 15:12:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2018 15:12:07 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538691127; bh=yeLMh2tALGmxeVVgAbGMlk5LzFgH2GVOf75tHMzp8Zs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=J4cMVyXjhEt+xMHmyZpekc2OlQ63eqdJDKEtuzHBTYwt5L4PezheYnWM7qvAJIo8W onh3Iq2kvUZbONm3S+hjn0Qfqouj07wimhZCX/uovthU40y+yJ6SUQ9QVpL24xbvf3 oErNjih6OiIBEy0+zzcG8evMmg+aT2YVB0menHVg= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Forbid TLS-level KeyUpdate in draft-ietf-quic-tls (#1833) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bb69037d6e2_53103ffb0d4d45c0953ec"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2018 22:12:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bb69037d6e2_53103ffb0d4d45c0953ec Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There must be some form of key update otherwise GCM is not safe on long running connections. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1833#issuecomment-427186399 ----==_mimepart_5bb69037d6e2_53103ffb0d4d45c0953ec Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

There must be some form of key update otherwise GCM is not safe on long running connections.

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----==_mimepart_5bb69037d6e2_53103ffb0d4d45c0953ec-- From nobody Thu Oct 4 15:41:03 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB716128CB7 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 15:41:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.456 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.456 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lfw0jrhxf4nl for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 15:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D81C2126DBF for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 15:41:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2018 15:40:59 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538692859; bh=v/D+vkEmvDRt4QjjL9mlqBFo6lONKLDof2zaFdhckis=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=v436GqGoja0J6BbfknabC1rMT9LJFrnyZzg3imQPtzEuMZtYyXZgDypfKiWu6w1CZ ejYJp4u7xkzp2Jn9ka31tECakRDn6nJvIymGLCva9bs3W36YUqY75sJgcwuEMBSkKe LMhn73beEgwMN2oK4H2uKq+n+StkdMYGx3+HmTEg= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Forbid TLS-level KeyUpdate in draft-ietf-quic-tls (#1833) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bb696fb7cb83_49783ff4748d45c0911e2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2018 22:41:03 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bb696fb7cb83_49783ff4748d45c0911e2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is. TLS, section 6. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1833#issuecomment-427192506 ----==_mimepart_5bb696fb7cb83_49783ff4748d45c0911e2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

There is. TLS, section 6.

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Right. Thus "[s]ince QUIC uses its own mechanism". :-)

Either way, the KeyUpdate message should be discussed in that text som= ewhere. If QUIC replaces it with its own mechanism, the spec text should = forbid it. If QUIC makes TLS-level KeyUpdate somehow meaningful, it's got= to actually specify what it does. QUIC handles record encryption and isn= 't ordered like TCP. The existing TLS KeyUpdate behavior doesn't apply.

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Consider the following situation. The client sends a 0-RTT handshake. The server accepts the handshake, installs the 1-RTT keys and sends its ServerHello...Finished flight. The client can now send a bunch of post-handshake messages to the server which the server cannot process until it receives ClientFinished, so it has to buffer them. We should bound that buffer somehow.

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(Client post-handshake messages don't really exist today, but they mig= ht in the future, e.g., with https://tools.ietf.org/html= /draft-wood-tls-ticketrequests-00.)

Another incarnation of this problem is if the client receives a huge w= indow of CRYPTO frames into the future but not the first byte, so it can'= t process anything yet. With STREAM frames, we have flow control. With CR= YPTO frames during the handshake, we know the handshake itself is bounded= . Post-handshake, we don't know a priori the server won't send lots and l= ots of tickets.

Of course, realistically, it won't send that many in a row, so one cou= ld get away with just picking a bound. But this is much more of an ad-hoc= bound than the handshake. It also may send lots of tickets over the cour= se of a connection, so the bound is in how far ahead it can get, rather t= han the handshake which can impose a stronger total bound. This then star= ts looking an awful lot like flow control...

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Updating link to IAN's slides.

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Adding a link to IAN's Handshake Deadlock slides.

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Adding links to Mike's flow control and PR 1755.

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sorry 'bout this I should have done them all in one pass.

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----==_mimepart_5bb6c2c865da9_32a13f96ff0d45b4910ec-- From nobody Thu Oct 4 18:54:20 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1778A130DC7 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 18:54:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BeFjLaN5r6kq for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 18:54:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 702CE1292F1 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 18:54:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2018 18:54:15 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538704455; bh=Zjxh/v8sbCgSgpy565S2o4mtx/aM19YYxPTbPmbftPY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ElTODfm4CRL1Z0+M72KotM7HJLne/kAnaq67AhFhQBZKwf0cc/erBp1Hm9JKOghOM g5HKTzHKY08OzoidfZNV3raocgs/mYjyoFDv10PwcfbFPPZXV83uZqi//VVekDcCJD +lbEkTKAWiTliQ/xZ5DP0DaVlaqkJ4OAVlFN26mI= From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP: State that an empty SETTINGS frame is legal (#1832) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bb6c4476b164_5dfd3fa0144d45c48632d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2018 01:54:18 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bb6c4476b164_5dfd3fa0144d45c48632d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #1832. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1832#event-1886082677 ----==_mimepart_5bb6c4476b164_5dfd3fa0144d45c48632d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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----==_mimepart_5bb6c4476b164_5dfd3fa0144d45c48632d-- From nobody Thu Oct 4 18:54:27 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E10B130EB3 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 18:54:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.455 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.455 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JqqtSP4qsod5 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 18:54:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 85F10130DC7 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 18:54:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2018 18:54:18 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538704458; bh=3qdOLrcY3nDxlGSQgmC+3P8m4TpYkN0YucXFfrm7dEU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=AAxGeARyls3s5to1kmQzA8UN32MsmiupZWd6Qh6fJYtuqeHghCSmUrkLcZNItn2pi JePFmnf/Y/LWT+F0yhTZivE06FwUUNwWtVU1iF1T63OOxAKNJ3+PKOt9GJdrjFgwyC nXsu4EoDkeeH4BH7OWK8VVuHpH09GjeVrzLwf3B8= From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP: State that an empty SETTINGS frame is legal (#1832) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bb6c44ac3018_3de3faa19ad45b4541dc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2018 01:54:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bb6c44ac3018_3de3faa19ad45b4541dc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Upon closer reading, I discovered this: ``` The payload of a SETTINGS frame consists of zero or more parameters, ``` Closing the issue: invalid. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1832#issuecomment-427222686 ----==_mimepart_5bb6c44ac3018_3de3faa19ad45b4541dc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Upon closer reading, I discovered this:

   The payload of a SETTINGS frame consists of zero or more parameters,

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----==_mimepart_5bb6c5131c147_42453f97a4ad45b4210657-- From nobody Thu Oct 4 19:15:11 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D1F5130DC7 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 19:15:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.455 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.455 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wy5mZCrAVRgy for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 19:15:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-10.smtp.github.com (out-10.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8C27A12F295 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 19:15:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2018 19:14:57 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538705708; bh=drAwJPYTpugJY5dTsFBBmKMP4tHyllFcEyCokgb3hxk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=qayxv7OPXPLrePoWHQPq3phNGKkNE8QkvPbf9A6GibB7fNei8d4U1Y/PDh0uG4GVh Rrr+BCXuHRnwQF2AIqyzgrQZLU8JM+VIi5U6NKXLXbV+hMwWXNQ3NORCGUeu3dg6Gx nsQIQoIYl9BG2Uf5ytHZ2c2QgqBZSGZRfViasB2g= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Flow control for post-handshake CRYPTO messages (#1834) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bb6c9212ae28_5a393fd7450d45c49221"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2018 02:15:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bb6c9212ae28_5a393fd7450d45c49221 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The client can now send a bunch of post-handshake messages to the server which the server cannot process until it receives ClientFinished, so it has to buffer them. We should bound that buffer somehow. Isn't the expected behavior of the server to drop the 1-RTT packets containing the post-handshake messages until it receives the ClientFinished (that activates the 1-RTT read key)? To put it another way, my understanding is that you _can_ have any size of buffer you want to better cope with packet reordering, but that happens per-packet rather than per-frame (because it's not just the post-handshake messages that cannot be trusted prior to receiving ClientFinished), and that the buffer can be arbitrary sized because you can drop it to trigger a retransmit. Am I missing something? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1834#issuecomment-427225638 ----==_mimepart_5bb6c9212ae28_5a393fd7450d45c49221 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The client can now send a bunch of post-handshake messages to the serv= er which the server cannot process until it receives ClientFinished, so i= t has to buffer them. We should bound that buffer somehow.

Isn't the expected behavior of the server to drop the 1-RTT packets co= ntaining the post-handshake messages until it receives the ClientFinished= (that activates the 1-RTT read key)?

To put it another way, my understanding is that you can have = any size of buffer you want to better cope with packet reordering, but th= at happens per-packet rather than per-frame (because it's not just the po= st-handshake messages that cannot be trusted prior to receiving ClientFin= ished), and that the buffer can be arbitrary sized because you can drop i= t to trigger a retransmit.

Am I missing something?

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Another incarnation of this problem is if the client receives a huge w= indow of CRYPTO frames into the future but not the first byte, so it can'= t process anything yet. With STREAM frames, we have flow control. With CR= YPTO frames during the handshake, we know the handshake itself is bounded= . Post-handshake, we don't know a priori the server won't send lots and l= ots of tickets.

I agree that the problem exists.

However, in my view, the memory exhaustion issue does not get resolved= just by having a window for the CRYTO frames. My understanding that most= TLS stacks buffers the octets of a handshake message until it receives a= complete one. That means that the TLS stack is expected to buffer at mos= t 16MB of junk even if we introduce window to the CRYPTO frames.

Considering that, I think it would be preferable to at first discuss i= ntroducing bounds for the TLS messages in the TLS working group, then con= sider how to apply that to QUIC. Until then, each QUIC stacks and TLS sta= cks can (continue to) have their own internal limits.

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= ----==_mimepart_5bb6ccb0529cd_6b303fd49c2d45b461736-- From nobody Thu Oct 4 19:37:10 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23212130DC2 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 19:37:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.455 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.455 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id llOigZLdWm67 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 19:37:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 36F3E12F295 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 19:37:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2018 19:37:06 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538707026; bh=DJLl62w6mEBhj6gT+Eoy7DEP1RvtP98lgnkft1xHANo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=fw88q5dCgRwya2udZf+AqJbgBspgFP+Wqp9T7gFhhjtu0GUlBqk2Y3un98GI6+7iX qnWmSb9GgPDW5SOQG62l4qk/mSqkerzIBDFb1JLPT9GsvFIaGidssBYrgmP8eIt5uN 4fpc7EgS9DRv8zUQkjDVqLP5LhPqfY3elBdno3CA= From: David Benjamin Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Flow control for post-handshake CRYPTO messages (#1834) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bb6ce5226d4b_17e23fa09fcd45b817856"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: davidben X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2018 02:37:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bb6ce5226d4b_17e23fa09fcd45b817856 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think that's an accurate reduction. TLS stacks usually impose ad-hoc limits tighter than the maximum 2^24, sometimes as a function of the maximum certificate size the caller configures. It's unfortunate that it's ad-hoc but different consumers do indeed tolerate different certificate sizes. It's plausible to do that analysis per-message and to do it per-flight since the set of messages in a flight is different. Post-handshake is very different. The pattern of messages is no longer fixed. Rather it is a property of how the application uses TLS. Indeed the QUIC spec even calls out applications choosing to send tickets at various points during the connection. Thus TLS-level limits, ad-hoc or spec'd, are not sufficient in this case. QUIC needs to do its share of the work. (There's a reason I dislike post-handshake messages so much. :-) People always forget this complexity.) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1834#issuecomment-427228821 ----==_mimepart_5bb6ce5226d4b_17e23fa09fcd45b817856 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I don't think that's an accurate reduction.

TLS stacks usually impose ad-hoc limits tighter than the maximum 2^24,= sometimes as a function of the maximum certificate size the caller confi= gures. It's unfortunate that it's ad-hoc but different consumers do indee= d tolerate different certificate sizes. It's plausible to do that analysi= s per-message and to do it per-flight since the set of messages in a flig= ht is different.

Post-handshake is very different. The pattern of messages is no longer= fixed. Rather it is a property of how the application uses TLS. Indeed t= he QUIC spec even calls out applications choosing to send tickets at vari= ous points during the connection. Thus TLS-level limits, ad-hoc or spec'd= , are not sufficient in this case. QUIC needs to do its share of the work= .

(There's a reason I dislike post-handshake messages so much. :-) Peopl= e always forget this complexity.)

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Re the client Finished case, I guess that pulls in the mess of stuff a= round there. The spec is a little unclear what a server does in between s= erver and client Finished. In particular, if doing 0-RTT the server needs= to at least be willing to send half-RTT data. This text suggests that, s= ince there's a binder, processing out of order is okay. (Unless I'm readi= ng it wrong?)
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-tls-15#sec= tion-5.7

I agree that, if you believe the server just shouldn't process 1RTT pa= ckets before client Finished at all, the buffering issue is solved. Thoug= h it does leave it unable to read the ACKs to half-RTT data which is diff= erently weird. :-)

I think the general post-handshake issue is probably the more isolated= instance. They're the same problem in terms of buffering, but one has a = confounding factor around whether it's actually an issue.

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The spec is a little unclear what a server does in between server and client Finished. In particular, if doing 0-RTT the server needs to at least be willing to send half-RTT data. This text suggests that, since there's a binder, processing out of order is okay. (Unless I'm reading it wrong?) > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-tls-15#section-5.7 Oh I missed it. Thank you for pointing that out. > I agree that, if you believe the server just shouldn't process 1RTT packets before client Finished at all, the buffering issue is solved. I had assumed that TLS stacks always expose the 1-RTT read key to the QUIC stacks acting as a server when it receives ClientFinished. I'd be curious to know if there are TLS stacks that takes an alternative approach. > Though it does leave it unable to read the ACKs to half-RTT data which is differently weird. :-) I assume that issue is unrelated to 0-RTT, right? IIUC the advise to the QUIC stacks is that until you know that the peer can process a packet, you might want to coalesce the packet you send with another packet that uses a lower-epoch key; then you can have a _weak_ confirmation that the packet has reached the peer. Having such signal is beneficial to not give false information to the congestion controller though the loss recovery code needs to assume that the packet might have been lost, because a stack is allowed to drop a packet that is was unable to decrypt. > I think the general post-handshake issue is probably the more isolated instance. They're the same problem in terms of buffering, but one has a confounding factor around whether it's actually an issue. I agree. I think it is preferable to fix the issue. Maybe I should rephrase my argument to that there should be limits in both layers (i.e. limit on the post-handshake message size in the TLS layer, and the window size in the QUIC layer, because having limit only on one layer does not prevent excessive buffering on the other layer. The two limits could either be a shared single value, two values shared using one extension, or two values shared using different mechanisms. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1834#issuecomment-427234124 ----==_mimepart_5bb6d794c4e86_1a083fb3fd2d45c4918f4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Re the client Finished case, I guess that pulls in the mess of stuff a= round there. The spec is a little unclear what a server does in between s= erver and client Finished. In particular, if doing 0-RTT the server needs= to at least be willing to send half-RTT data. This text suggests that, s= ince there's a binder, processing out of order is okay. (Unless I'm readi= ng it wrong?)
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-tls-15#sec= tion-5.7

Oh I missed it. Thank you for pointing that out.

I agree that, if you believe the server just shouldn't process 1RTT pa= ckets before client Finished at all, the buffering issue is solved.

I had assumed that TLS stacks always expose the 1-RTT read key to the = QUIC stacks acting as a server when it receives ClientFinished. I'd be cu= rious to know if there are TLS stacks that takes an alternative approach.=

Though it does leave it unable to read the ACKs to half-RTT data which= is differently weird. :-)

I assume that issue is unrelated to 0-RTT, right?

IIUC the advise to the QUIC stacks is that until you know that the pee= r can process a packet, you might want to coalesce the packet you send wi= th another packet that uses a lower-epoch key; then you can have a we= ak confirmation that the packet has reached the peer. Having such si= gnal is beneficial to not give false information to the congestion contro= ller though the loss recovery code needs to assume that the packet might = have been lost, because a stack is allowed to drop a packet that is was u= nable to decrypt.

I think the general post-handshake issue is probably the more isolated= instance. They're the same problem in terms of buffering, but one has a = confounding factor around whether it's actually an issue.

I agree. I think it is preferable to fix the issue.

Maybe I should rephrase my argument to that there should be limits in = both layers (i.e. limit on the post-handshake message size in the TLS lay= er, and the window size in the QUIC layer, because having limit only on o= ne layer does not prevent excessive buffering on the other layer. The two= limits could either be a shared single value, two values shared using on= e extension, or two values shared using different mechanisms.

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Draft-15 says in section 5 that "QUIC payloads MUST contain at least one frame, and MAY contain
multiple frames and multiple frame types." That's fine, but there is no text specifying the receiver behavior. How about, "Nodes who receive a packet with an empty payload MUST terminate the connection with error PROTOCOL_VIOLATION"?

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That won't work in early handshake but it could make sense later on. Why have this restriction and complication in the first place rather than just allowing empty frames?

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I also disagreed with adding the extra complexity added on the receiver side. Personally, I'd prefer to add that the receiver MAY terminate the connection.

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I might argue that there is possibly a security implication on allowin= g empty packets.

If we allow the receiver to handle an empty packet as non-error, the e= ndpoint might be tempted to skip verifying the AEAD tag, because it can b= e sure that there is no payload once it decrypts the packet number. This = is obviously incorrect, because the AEAD tag is the only thing we have in= protection against packet injection.

Requiring the sender to always send a non-empty payload and also requi= ring the receiver to return an error in case it sees an empty payload is = one way to resolve such concern.

I might agree that the concern is not really that practical, but OTOH,= I think implementing the rule is near to zero-cost as well.

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Hmm, I'm not sure the protocol should be designed around babysitting s= pecial cases. You argument could just as well apply to packets with paddi= ng only or packets with only NEW_CONNECTION_ID when there are no support = for changing CID's, etc. It is already stated that a packet cannot be dr= opped without veryfying the AEAD tag.

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Empty packets also serve a keep-alive purpose. That said, there is another PR, or something, suggesting packets should have a minimum length to simplify PNE. That would naturally void empty packets.

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My main point is that the spec says MUST NOT be empty without specifying receiver behavior. So the spec should either not say that, or specify the behavior.

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I agree with your point, I'm just mentioning that any resolution needs to consider handshake behavior in a way that does open for DoS injection.

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In the base drafts I can think of three definitions of handshake packets:

  1. Packets of type "handshake" (obviously)
  2. Packets with Long Headers (Used to limit server send before address verification), not formally defined as such but confusingly in the "handshake packets" section even though it applies to Initial, Handshake, and (in theory) 1-RTT packets.
  3. In the Recovery draft, is_handshake_packets refers to packets with long headers that also contain CRYPTO frames.

This isn't a satisfactory state of affairs. I propose we retain #1. For #2, I believe it's sufficient to simply put this somewhere else (I vote for the flow control section) and make it clear that it applies to packets of all types.

For #3, I suggest we name it "crypto packets", as this term doesn't exist elsewhere. I don't really care what the name is as long as it's unique.

I'm happy to file a PR if no one has any problems with what I've proposed.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Per discussion post-interim, rearranges document to a similar format as RFC7540: - Intro - Connection Setup & Maintenance - Streams - Frames - HTTP Requests - Closure - Extensions - Error Handling - Appendix: H2 Considerations At this point, it's mostly unaltered text landing in different sections; if you see dangling text or ordering that no longer makes sense, feel free to point it out and I'll clean it up as I go. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1837 -- Commit Summary -- * Move content into a Request Lifecycle section * Move Extensions before Error Handling * Move H2 Considerations to an appendix -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (1163) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1837.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1837.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1837 ----==_mimepart_5bb7a219d0648_22253fe7b18d45b813046f9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Per discussion post-interim, rearranges document to a similar format as RFC7540:

  • Intro
  • Connection Setup & Maintenance
  • Streams
  • Frames
  • HTTP Requests
  • Closure
  • Extensions
  • Error Handling
  • Appendix: H2 Considerations

At this point, it's mostly unaltered text landing in different sections; if you see dangling text or ordering that no longer makes sense, feel free to point it out and I'll clean it up as I go.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1837

Commit Summary

  • Move content into a Request Lifecycle section
  • Move Extensions before Error Handling
  • Move H2 Considerations to an appendix

File Changes

Patch Links:

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Is this sufficient? The peer might ignore handshake level packets when ACK'ing 1-RTT.

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What would be the impact of changing the hq ALPN value to h2? Whatever we call it, it's basically HTTP/2 for QUIC, and on a QUIC connection there's no ambiguity as to what the client is asking for.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -736,6 +733,18 @@ and will contain a CRYPTO frame with an offset matching the size of the CRYPTO
 frame sent in the first Initial packet.  Cryptographic handshake messages
 subsequent to the first do not need to fit within a single UDP datagram.
 
+### Handling of Fatal Initial Packets
+
+The contents of some Initial packets may, according to this specification, force

I really don't want to go everywhere it says we MUST terminate the connection and then add "unless it's an Initial and ..." Inevitably it's a bit clunky.

Your language is fine, but I'd like to preserve the option to just drop the packet without running any timer. It's a simpler course of action for the endpoint and I don't see a significant downside.

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@mikkelfj It shouldn't. If it decrypts the packet, it MUST tear it down. Worst case, it's already tossed the keys, which seems a bit premature in this context. But we could suggest sending in both contexts.

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@mikkelfj I think what the PR says is sufficient, b= ecause it an endpoint is expected to hold the Handshake key for 3 RTO aft= er all transmission using the key has been complete. Quoting from Section= 4.9 of the TLS draft:

After all CRYPTO frames for a given encryption level have been sent an= d all expected CRYPTO frames received, and all the corresponding acknowle= dgments have been received or sent, an endpoint starts a timer. For 0-RTT= keys, which do not carry CRYPTO frames, this timer starts when the first= packets protected with 1-RTT are sent or received. To limit the effect o= f packet loss around a change in keys, endpoints MUST retain packet prote= ction keys for that encryption level for at least three times the current= Retransmission Timeout (RTO) interval as defined in [QUIC-RECOVERY]. Ret= aining keys for this interval allows packets containing CRYPTO or ACK fra= mes at that encryption level to be sent if packets are determined to be l= ost or new packets require acknowledgment.

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At a conceptual level, we'd be defining the hq ALPN ID for Alt-Svc, th= at is never used for TLS ALPN :)

I guess this might come down to how implementations support mixed appl= ication layer protocols. I might build a dispatcher that operates on the = protocol decided by TLS ALPN, deciding whether to invoke H2 or HQ handsha= ke code.

Right now, QUIC operates over UDP but I'd like to think we build HTTP = over QUIC implementations that are functional any knowledge of the protoc= ol under QUIC (e.g. QUIC over CAN bus).

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= ----==_mimepart_5bb8c84e5bb60_3ffb3ff684ad45c0810196-- From nobody Sun Oct 7 03:02:57 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38B36130DD5 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 03:02:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.455 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.455 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WE2jfUM84nwt for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 03:02:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 60ADD130DCD for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 03:02:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2018 03:02:51 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538906571; bh=8CUajdN9WklBFt+PSD/249gEjvBoHQJ14R9QMOQ/nrM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=NZFdJ27sOZ8FpdC2inBdq18hfE2ksqZby+RWU9Bj4iUmtgw4EQjiLDbGdFCkJBCSQ KxXYXWwYdpv13u6QIQkhC2dk349WRzukG3/gM5Z3xSSIC+Ym7NUXMoX9eqCZRcsItY ZAlCb7JfMOC5zSub252oAwAa5UYg90Cx2TIlrodg= From: Magnus Westerlund Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] ECN counters and Coalescing of QUIC packets (#1838) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bb9d9cbd1ac1_6a7d3fd2eaed45c04926f0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gloinul X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2018 10:02:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bb9d9cbd1ac1_6a7d3fd2eaed45c04926f0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I realize there exist a need to clarify the text regarding ECN on the relation between IP packets and QUIC packets. As QUIC tracks QUIC packets, and not IP packets, this relation when coaleing occurs needs to be clarified. What I think is needed are: - In Section 6.8: Using Explicit Congestion Notification should be updated to be explicit about when it talks about IP packet and when about QUIC packets. - State explicitly that for coalesed QUIC packets, the IP packet's ECN field value is reported for each QUIC packet. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1838 ----==_mimepart_5bb9d9cbd1ac1_6a7d3fd2eaed45c04926f0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I realize there exist a need to clarify the text regarding ECN on the relation between IP packets and QUIC packets. As QUIC tracks QUIC packets, and not IP packets, this relation when coaleing occurs needs to be clarified. What I think is needed are:

  • In Section 6.8: Using Explicit Congestion Notification should be updated to be explicit about when it talks about IP packet and when about QUIC packets.
  • State explicitly that for coalesed QUIC packets, the IP packet's ECN field value is reported for each QUIC packet.

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I'd suggest a separate PR from fixing 2, since it's a separate doc and they're not inter-dependent. On 2, I'm less clear what you're referencing. There's a section called Cryptographic Handshake Packets(https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-15#section-4.5) that does a good job of not abbreviating to handshake packets. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1836#issuecomment-427844323 ----==_mimepart_5bbb626a528c7_7b103fd358ed45c0236161 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

For 3, crypto packets SGTM and a PR is always appreciated. I'd sugges= t a separate PR from fixing 2, since it's a separate doc and they're not = inter-dependent.

On 2, I'm less clear what you're referencing. There's a section calle= d Cryptographic Handshake Packets(https://tools.= ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-15#section-4.5) that does a g= ood job of not abbreviating to handshake packets.

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Fixes #1835

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  • Terminate the connection if there are no frames

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----==_mimepart_5bbb632a1471e_32d03fd3d5ad45c495667-- From nobody Mon Oct 8 07:03:13 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CE56130DE2 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 07:03:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.456 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.456 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o5yXqXYJm9CT for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 07:03:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B61F2130DC0 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 07:03:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2018 07:03:08 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539007388; bh=9tdYYJLqwL6lzV0AzxIiOR8rrWtKCAy8TjPp7RwJKOU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Q/W4UPuYldncUPiPHDIeSubldSJ63QGLmg+CY/s5jopOZQ7DfGCUrkBKIHq0oKatf 6ebc+5fLO+cn26GOap2Xo2TmB+YdHXQ/Q/EyRRt8rUKOHBmpDMYbUUmYp8s9awn3lK KvfYJcoaVyaPAdPLtuWAWkU7tJbN7BHoqVbgmXbg= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Recommended response for empty packets (#1835) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bbb639c94fc1_728d3fd358ed45c023566e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2018 14:03:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bbb639c94fc1_728d3fd358ed45c023566e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I sent out a PR with a variant of Christian's suggestion using MAY. If one wants a keepalive, a packet containing a PING likely makes more sense than an empty one, since an empty one won't cause an ACK to be sent in response. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1835#issuecomment-427846403 ----==_mimepart_5bbb639c94fc1_728d3fd358ed45c023566e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I sent out a PR with a variant of Christian's suggestion using MAY.

If one wants a keepalive, a packet containing a PING likely makes more sense than an empty one, since an empty one won't cause an ACK to be sent in response.

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I would prefer to not add a length, since I don't expect I'd ever use it.

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If a client wants to keep its NAT binding alive, it may want to send a PADDING (or nothing at all, if it were supported).

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QUIC Transport "Coalescing Packets" section states:

If one or more packets in a datagram cannot be processed yet (because the keys are not yet
available) or processing fails (decryption failure, unknown type, etc.), the receiver MUST still
attempt to process the remaining packets.

The "etc" needs to be clarified.

There are many conditions under which the receiver MUST (or SHOULD or MAY) terminate the connection. It is not clear when the requirement to terminate the connection trumps the requirement to attempt to process remaining packets and when it does not.

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Works for me. MAY does indeed make more sense than MUST.

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keep sections in frame ID sequence too.

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My interpretation would be that fatal errors can only occur while pr= ocessing a packet, which is to say that protection has been successful= ly removed and you're consuming frames out of the payload. Errors that pre= vent you from doing any processing in the first place, however, should caus= e you to keep going to other packets.

In other words, for most purposes, handle the packets independently -- i= f they were in separate datagrams and one was garbage, you'd move to the ne= xt-received datagram.

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Resolves part of #1836.

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----==_mimepart_5bbbd69f75175_5c3d3f81922d45bc562d7-- From nobody Mon Oct 8 15:17:48 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE22A130FE1 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 15:17:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.456 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.456 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P6wKUiheqFNS for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 15:17:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-16.smtp.github.com (out-16.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1B85F130F49 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 15:17:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2018 15:17:45 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539037065; bh=3DclWyE9Y3mjICx6dlWUIGm2l2kP3gXA41NIFv2RC8s=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=tmABLYSkHkirewPijJI0sAyuvfs3eWmZJS+M4vBn3DwSfeH2ZqxDRj4snseFhx6PC aV9HNpqoQFK/OVx6UVp3Kk2bzcLhUjbhElvsFjgL/9bOLBowHK6QeTAbxBHQpHWXCW 0rkrl9w7PorJdYdrB79MCrZt8w1U06S/azMW7uas= From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Move server send limitations (#1843) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bbbd7896e128_d4f3fe2d26d45bc132242"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2018 22:17:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bbbd7896e128_d4f3fe2d26d45bc132242 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This text was in the "Handshake Packet" section but it applies to Handshake and Initial Packets, so I moved it. Together with PR #1842, this resolves #1836. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1843 -- Commit Summary -- * Move server send limitations -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (25) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1843.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1843.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1843 ----==_mimepart_5bbbd7896e128_d4f3fe2d26d45bc132242 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This text was in the "Handshake Packet" section but it applies to Handshake and Initial Packets, so I moved it.
Together with PR #1842, this resolves #1836.

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@ianswett Yes, that's a good section. It's section 4.7 that has the server send limitations that apply to both Initial and Handshake packets. the PR I just filed moves the text to Section 4.5.

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Addressing #1840

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I believe the "Crypto Handshake Timeout" section should be updated. Also, should we rename the Handshake Timer to the Crypto Timer, or the Crypto Handshake Timer?

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@ianswett approved this pull request.

LG, but one comment depending on what you do in the other CL.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -664,6 +664,18 @@ packets are protected with connection- and version-specific keys
 provide confidentiality or integrity against on-path attackers, but
 provides some level of protection against off-path attackers.
 
+Servers MUST NOT send more than three times as many bytes as the number of bytes
+received prior to verifying the client's address.  Source addresses can be
+verified through an address validation token (delivered via a Retry packet or
+a NEW_TOKEN frame) or by processing any message from the client encrypted using
+the Handshake keys.  This limit exists to mitigate amplification attacks.
+
+In order to prevent this limit causing a handshake deadlock, the client SHOULD
+always send a packet upon a handshake timeout, as described in

Should this be "crypto handshake timeout" now?

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----==_mimepart_5bbbe3f321059_52153fbb94cd45bc1575a6-- From nobody Mon Oct 8 16:11:53 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9541D130FCE for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 16:11:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.456 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.456 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7ZaktK7JgRou for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 16:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8EDC7130F63 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 16:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2018 16:11:48 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539040308; bh=cqovM0xj12a3+tmsMS3KhNJVY9eQqDjOllVRDQVM7n0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Xp6HvtAthy/P9+9x5Dlwnlln79T9wAvURpFOyTV0/Fa+JU4B0pYCisUdbZg3xogeN dNV8cnEMVQ4HDEz0pmI4l+7h4XYjx4qiygx29g3Cv9uwGGHxis6MsyQMHVuRw2ac8e sKZATUB3pbO5slGoxXEUnU48JSoN2I+zE0LLYq30= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clarify coalesced packet processing (#1844) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bbbe434af7ec_692d3fb9cbcd45b41127a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2018 23:11:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bbbe434af7ec_692d3fb9cbcd45b41127a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ianswett commented on this pull request. > @@ -960,12 +960,11 @@ Every QUIC packet that is coalesced into a single UDP datagram is separate and complete. Though the values of some fields in the packet header might be redundant, no fields are omitted. The receiver of coalesced QUIC packets MUST individually process each QUIC packet and separately acknowledge them, as if -they were received as the payload of different UDP datagrams. If one or more -packets in a datagram cannot be processed yet (because the keys are not yet -available) or processing fails (decryption failure, unknown type, etc.), the -receiver MUST still attempt to process the remaining packets. The skipped -packets MAY either be discarded or buffered for later processing, just as if the -packets were received out-of-order in separate datagrams. +they were received as the payload of separate UDP datagrams. For example, if +one or more packets in a datagram cannot be decrypted (the keys are not yet +available, decryption failure, unknown type), the receiver MAY either discard or ", decryption fails, or the packet is of an unknown type" -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1844#pullrequestreview-162669527 ----==_mimepart_5bbbe434af7ec_692d3fb9cbcd45b41127a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -960,12 +960,11 @@ Every QUIC packet that is coalesced into a single UDP datagram is separate and
 complete.  Though the values of some fields in the packet header might be
 redundant, no fields are omitted.  The receiver of coalesced QUIC packets MUST
 individually process each QUIC packet and separately acknowledge them, as if
-they were received as the payload of different UDP datagrams.  If one or more
-packets in a datagram cannot be processed yet (because the keys are not yet
-available) or processing fails (decryption failure, unknown type, etc.), the
-receiver MUST still attempt to process the remaining packets.  The skipped
-packets MAY either be discarded or buffered for later processing, just as if the
-packets were received out-of-order in separate datagrams.
+they were received as the payload of separate UDP datagrams.  For example, if
+one or more packets in a datagram cannot be decrypted (the keys are not yet
+available, decryption failure, unknown type), the receiver MAY either discard or

", decryption fails, or the packet is of an unknown type"

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -960,12 +960,11 @@ Every QUIC packet that is coalesced into a single UDP datagram is separate and
 complete.  Though the values of some fields in the packet header might be
 redundant, no fields are omitted.  The receiver of coalesced QUIC packets MUST
 individually process each QUIC packet and separately acknowledge them, as if
-they were received as the payload of different UDP datagrams.  If one or more
-packets in a datagram cannot be processed yet (because the keys are not yet
-available) or processing fails (decryption failure, unknown type, etc.), the
-receiver MUST still attempt to process the remaining packets.  The skipped
-packets MAY either be discarded or buffered for later processing, just as if the
-packets were received out-of-order in separate datagrams.
+they were received as the payload of separate UDP datagrams.  For example, if
+one or more packets in a datagram cannot be decrypted (the keys are not yet
+available, decryption failure, unknown type), the receiver MAY either discard or
+buffer for packet for later processing and MUST attempt to process the remaining

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -960,12 +960,11 @@ Every QUIC packet that is coalesced into a single UDP datagram is separate and
 complete.  Though the values of some fields in the packet header might be
 redundant, no fields are omitted.  The receiver of coalesced QUIC packets MUST
 individually process each QUIC packet and separately acknowledge them, as if
-they were received as the payload of different UDP datagrams.  If one or more
-packets in a datagram cannot be processed yet (because the keys are not yet
-available) or processing fails (decryption failure, unknown type, etc.), the
-receiver MUST still attempt to process the remaining packets.  The skipped
-packets MAY either be discarded or buffered for later processing, just as if the
-packets were received out-of-order in separate datagrams.
+they were received as the payload of separate UDP datagrams.  For example, if
+one or more packets in a datagram cannot be decrypted (the keys are not yet
+available, decryption failure, unknown type), the receiver MAY either discard or

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----==_mimepart_5bbc01da478f9_49cc3fe101ad45b81567cc-- From nobody Mon Oct 8 18:18:49 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B546A1310DA for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 18:18:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.455 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.455 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kWrtDGNweKpN for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 18:18:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C73CD130E16 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 18:18:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2018 18:18:45 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539047925; bh=SPYp/dtSDjj16M9xMyXh1UDuPfeT5HgDItFUOCzEygY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=pevfmcQ2s4KOso284tbHvN2lJpgNeSgLmiexcgUsO5pcAB8q8LzwKxjknDB+DC/Ul 4pq67CveHFwCq1Ev63gBwL4498g6d+1jfbDqM9Kh0ZIa8FC1y/TK43mXpHSz2NGLNh QSHanaoP9PMGo5sOUZAHMuNLgJw2nlwtDtiltq1M= From: Igor Lubashev Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clarify coalesced packet processing (#1844) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bbc01f51ef7b_16b63ff17f2d45b454956"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: igorlord X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2018 01:18:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bbc01f51ef7b_16b63ff17f2d45b454956 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit igorlord commented on this pull request. > @@ -960,12 +960,11 @@ Every QUIC packet that is coalesced into a single UDP datagram is separate and complete. Though the values of some fields in the packet header might be redundant, no fields are omitted. The receiver of coalesced QUIC packets MUST individually process each QUIC packet and separately acknowledge them, as if -they were received as the payload of different UDP datagrams. If one or more -packets in a datagram cannot be processed yet (because the keys are not yet -available) or processing fails (decryption failure, unknown type, etc.), the -receiver MUST still attempt to process the remaining packets. The skipped -packets MAY either be discarded or buffered for later processing, just as if the -packets were received out-of-order in separate datagrams. +they were received as the payload of separate UDP datagrams. For example, if +one or more packets in a datagram cannot be decrypted (the keys are not yet +available, decryption failure, unknown type), the receiver MAY either discard or +buffer for packet for later processing and MUST attempt to process the remaining Fixed -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1844#discussion_r223537723 ----==_mimepart_5bbc01f51ef7b_16b63ff17f2d45b454956 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -960,12 +960,11 @@ Every QUIC packet that is coalesced into a single UDP datagram is separate and
 complete.  Though the values of some fields in the packet header might be
 redundant, no fields are omitted.  The receiver of coalesced QUIC packets MUST
 individually process each QUIC packet and separately acknowledge them, as if
-they were received as the payload of different UDP datagrams.  If one or more
-packets in a datagram cannot be processed yet (because the keys are not yet
-available) or processing fails (decryption failure, unknown type, etc.), the
-receiver MUST still attempt to process the remaining packets.  The skipped
-packets MAY either be discarded or buffered for later processing, just as if the
-packets were received out-of-order in separate datagrams.
+they were received as the payload of separate UDP datagrams.  For example, if
+one or more packets in a datagram cannot be decrypted (the keys are not yet
+available, decryption failure, unknown type), the receiver MAY either discard or
+buffer for packet for later processing and MUST attempt to process the remaining

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I am looking at the details of the key update mechanism. The TLS draft= says that "A receiving endpoint detects an update when the KEY_PHASE= bit doesn=E2=80=99t match what it is expecting. It creates a new secret = (see Section 7.2 of [TLS13]) and the corresponding read key and IV."= That means using HKDF-Expand-Label.

I assume that we are going to use the prefix =E2=80=9Cquic =E2=80=9C r= ather than =E2=80=9Ctls13 =E2=80=9C, since that's what we do at all the o= ther places that use HKDF-Expand-Label. But the spec is silent. Maybe it = should have a mention about theprefix for the label expansion?

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If no more long headers are expected, it would seem reasonable to drop the packet.

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----==_mimepart_5bbc32025e311_db63fbb074d45c0687b4-- From nobody Tue Oct 9 02:24:18 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2671D131274 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 02:24:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yPuguQT0RDpv for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 02:24:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE4DD13126A for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 02:24:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2018 02:24:12 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539077052; bh=dfF8cAUP1id6dGAMF2CiDc/Q+LCIs5Ld58GsZpO+5MI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=htnDVcTK+XiwPduj2YYdMQ9kmEdXH/b1V7BxVkxs5cMdLJTmDkFPSz7aWeK3IRZO/ i0BGlM0jyX6GVCFZxRlr0wqqw2019QBKp5A5eXHiHjVQhjPB6mbgiY7XpK6URApHMt g2GFjQvJjxftztAOHVfyyTiOkQcXeMdytOeTtfpE= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Asymmetry in the handling of SETTINGS frame (#1846) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bbc73bcbb1bc_775c3fbb8aed45c480520"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2018 09:24:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bbc73bcbb1bc_775c3fbb8aed45c480520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [Section 2.3 of the editor's draft](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-http.html#rfc.section.2.3) forbids a server from sending data on any other stream until it receives a SETTINGS frame on the control stream, while such requirement does not exist for the client even for the 1-RTT case. I hereby propose to remove the requirement for the server as well. The requirement is a source of unnecessary complexity; it requires a latchet that blocks the server to send a HTTP response until it receives the first octet of the control stream. IMO, not knowing the QPACK table size cannot justify having the blocking rule for the server-only; the same rule does not exist for the client and therefore a client is allowed to start sending requests without knowing the QPACK table size. Having symmetry has the potential of simplifying the specification and implementations. For example, a HQ stack can send HTTP messages without using the dynamic table until it receives the SETTINGS frame on *both client-side and server-side*. Note that even if we relax the specification, the endpoints will have the freedom to block until it receives the first octet of the control stream. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1846 ----==_mimepart_5bbc73bcbb1bc_775c3fbb8aed45c480520 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Section 2.3 of the editor's draft forbids a server from sending data on any other stream until it receives a SETTINGS frame on the control stream, while such requirement does not exist for the client even for the 1-RTT case.

I hereby propose to remove the requirement for the server as well. The requirement is a source of unnecessary complexity; it requires a latchet that blocks the server to send a HTTP response until it receives the first octet of the control stream.

IMO, not knowing the QPACK table size cannot justify having the blocking rule for the server-only; the same rule does not exist for the client and therefore a client is allowed to start sending requests without knowing the QPACK table size. Having symmetry has the potential of simplifying the specification and implementations. For example, a HQ stack can send HTTP messages without using the dynamic table until it receives the SETTINGS frame on both client-side and server-side.

Note that even if we relax the specification, the endpoints will have the freedom to block until it receives the first octet of the control stream.

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----==_mimepart_5bbc73bcbb1bc_775c3fbb8aed45c480520-- From nobody Tue Oct 9 08:45:32 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FAED13134A for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 08:45:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.455 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.455 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HKrQ0hzOmMpE for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 08:45:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C742131342 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 08:45:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2018 08:45:10 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539099927; bh=PZNfOxMarQCI+UU1cZgocxzt/dDqn+cp/HJv90ns34E=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ETliE5yz51iY8OoJR29gNdQsVG9zn5OtVqhbVwGLKkDkzp/2E7T/+22UW0a49/sZW GIBIxChNcMKcm02VVX++O4SzOYEdOQooSm28bCLHWBer/pmHpRHeKXCmB5iDoZtStK PSDlMRi++YZFAagBZxLDuDBsKKQgHRSWy1FieHys= From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP SETTINGS: why reuse codepoint 0x3? (#1847) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bbccd06c31fa_7b503fdc32ed45c41724f2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2018 15:45:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bbccd06c31fa_7b503fdc32ed45c41724f2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From [the spec](https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-http-15#section-4.2.6.1): ``` SETTINGS_NUM_PLACEHOLDERS (0x3): This value SHOULD be non-zero. The default value is 16. SETTINGS_MAX_HEADER_LIST_SIZE (0x6): The default value is unlimited. ``` It seems inconsistent to reuse 0x3 while forbidding other setting IDs from RFC 7540. `SETTINGS_NUM_PLACEHOLDERS` is not the same as `SETTINGS_MAX_CONCURRENT_STREAMS`. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1847 ----==_mimepart_5bbccd06c31fa_7b503fdc32ed45c41724f2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

From the spec:

   SETTINGS_NUM_PLACEHOLDERS (0x3):  This value SHOULD be non-zero.  The
      default value is 16.

   SETTINGS_MAX_HEADER_LIST_SIZE (0x6):  The default value is unlimited.

It seems inconsistent to reuse 0x3 while forbidding other setting IDs from RFC 7540. SETTINGS_NUM_PLACEHOLDERS is not the same as SETTINGS_MAX_CONCURRENT_STREAMS.

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----==_mimepart_5bbccd06c31fa_7b503fdc32ed45c41724f2-- From nobody Tue Oct 9 09:04:15 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3FFC131352 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 09:04:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id An-l3ooOaKrg for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 09:04:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F2808131342 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 09:04:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2018 09:04:10 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539101050; bh=Sem13GNl5akidXTNybmO/F/VdVz7w8GH8AbGKzCFEiw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=r5iFGYob7cvCrAjoaKNFBgZe1Vttdyad8S4pb3Ft8Ry3dsZ5+H9tvkYb5n8rmPHGw unAWoexl6zStECuTPIK164Q0i0Y1bs7hVwO3OcUtAXplmp9OMjMOFMkJ7CCFCxuDBz s+QnNLJD2JJDpy5TDmhN328smAUVK7r0/qxnQeag= From: afrind Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Asymmetry in the handling of SETTINGS frame (#1846) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bbcd17ade476_5dc53fa2406d45bc178821"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: afrind X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2018 16:04:14 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bbcd17ade476_5dc53fa2406d45bc178821 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm generally ok with this concept. SETTINGS_MAX_HEADER_LIST_SIZE is also in the settings, with a default value of unlimited (side note, this meaning of this setting is not described anywhere in the HQ spec). If we allow sending header blocks before receiving SETTINGS, is the peer required to accept arbitrarily long header lists? Or we should reintroduce a lower default? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1846#issuecomment-428251470 ----==_mimepart_5bbcd17ade476_5dc53fa2406d45bc178821 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm generally ok with this concept.

SETTINGS_MAX_HEADER_LIST_SIZE is also in the settings, with a default = value of unlimited (side note, this meaning of this setting is not descri= bed anywhere in the HQ spec). If we allow sending header blocks before r= eceiving SETTINGS, is the peer required to accept arbitrarily long header= lists? Or we should reintroduce a lower default?

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just pointing out that the latest draft does specify the client behavi= or in the 1-RTT case

When a 1-RTT QUIC connection is being used, the client MUST NOT send r= equests prior to receiving and processing the server=E2=80=99s SETTINGS f= rame.

but I agree that if we can find a way to start sending without having = received the peer settings, that would simplify the implementation

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= ----==_mimepart_5bbcd38094c6c_20e43fa9ae0d45c04104a-- From nobody Tue Oct 9 11:50:12 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D266F1292AD for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 11:50:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.455 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.455 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gSyH5dR8Lz9L for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 11:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o5.sgmail.github.com (o5.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DFD4E128D68 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 11:50:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=x18WViIA6GLOhIJgTQI8iu4DFYE=; b=VPZ3vxiV10RrUmyK NeBn03bIY5+uM7Vzz+pCkoEPZ0fh8uqX9CPZJYmBVtTtbnU8GILyEKV5hFbz2sqR tBlvGWfc8VM/wz/d34IkAZ7XQ0W2EIDT3OFpnWn58Ua64D9tPYEuBEyPKOt8wqGT NzoIBPmZTg7Y5V+BcILouqBq4ew= Received: by filter1616p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1616p1mdw1-25121-5BBCF85D-8 2018-10-09 18:50:05.558652486 +0000 UTC m=+437446.945635256 Received: from github-lowworker-1f7e42f.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.46]) by ismtpd0022p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id BPv8cNOFSc2NF3EmF8ygAQ for ; Tue, 09 Oct 2018 18:50:05.382 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-1f7e42f.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66EDAC0314 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 11:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2018 18:50:05 +0000 (UTC) From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Asymmetry in the handling of SETTINGS frame (#1846) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bbcf85d60060_bde3face36d45b44900fe"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3qMCGtXncH6QT90GAO2JwPvgYc3HcC9J8Byl 0iMbdrTbBsOT9lIIUp9jn2GXqxi8ZuwEP9//g/u/VeR6U+HY6mhU0CiN/zwVo+e+kl8mo3xx36ceRL KLihd5aJnarTT2bJB/qQqTRGiWYK1at8a3NdG+yZQZpH0mBDyyAIcZVkuOOsK2Jww9sLzf4o5O4xtX 0= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2018 18:50:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bbcf85d60060_bde3face36d45b44900fe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This isn't asymmetrical, actually. Both client and server MUST know the settings before they can send requests/responses. It's just that there are two cases, which you're conflating: - For 1-RTT, the client is required to see the server's (0.5-RTT flight) SETTINGS frame before sending requests, and the server is required to see the client's SETTINGS frame before sending responses. - For 0-RTT, the client is assuming (and the server is consenting to, by accepting 0-RTT) minimum values for settings remembered from last time, which is what permits it to send without seeing the SETTINGS. The server still needs the client's SETTINGS, because there is no implicit contract on the client's parameters in 0-RTT. In HTTP/2, both parties have to tolerate peers having lower values than the defaults: the defaults apply until the real SETTINGS frame is seen and then get revised downward, so you have to tolerate reductions after you've already violated the setting unknowingly. In the HQ version, there is never a downward revision, only an upward revision, so you eliminate the unknowing violation. That was the motivation to introduce the restriction. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1846#issuecomment-428307396 ----==_mimepart_5bbcf85d60060_bde3face36d45b44900fe Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This isn't asymmetrical, actually. Both client and server MUST know the= settings before they can send requests/responses. It's just that there ar= e two cases, which you're conflating:

  • For 1-RTT, the client is required to see the server's (0.5-RTT flight) = SETTINGS frame before sending requests, and the server is required to see t= he client's SETTINGS frame before sending responses.
  • For 0-RTT, the client is assuming (and the server is consenting to, by = accepting 0-RTT) minimum values for settings remembered from last time, whi= ch is what permits it to send without seeing the SETTINGS. The server stil= l needs the client's SETTINGS, because there is no implicit contract on the= client's parameters in 0-RTT.

In HTTP/2, both parties have to tolerate peers having lower values than = the defaults: the defaults apply until the real SETTINGS frame is seen and = then get revised downward, so you have to tolerate reductions after you've = already violated the setting unknowingly. In the HQ version, there is neve= r a downward revision, only an upward revision, so you eliminate the unknow= ing violation. That was the motivation to introduce the restriction.

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= ----==_mimepart_5bbcf85d60060_bde3face36d45b44900fe-- From nobody Tue Oct 9 11:54:57 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAFBC1293FB for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 11:54:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.455 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.455 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p8-AapYB2lIN for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 11:54:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 75709128D68 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 11:54:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=lAuq04PdP4Xl7mxus3W3/UPR5ZI=; b=Yqsh1MJXfv9Km+Dn /GjcjYvsUDfl3bygVkvLNfuAij5TAeoEyP1iJPl+4XDSvvrIdbmEgPYtGZt9ORlU m/azvlhY7zeoq5tLJUNXZrEMY5nVVpkZ/GNJ5c43+5Hn7aEGAfS0WRWU7pxuYaYt boWRX4jXpqxQqhewt3/r54x4iY8= Received: by filter1021p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1021p1las1-25250-5BBCF97D-17 2018-10-09 18:54:53.536478185 +0000 UTC m=+414990.726108075 Received: from github-lowworker-baaab27.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.33]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id Ht6hA4iMRD69IQQ7CAXtvg for ; Tue, 09 Oct 2018 18:54:53.450 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-baaab27.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6959580634 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 11:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2018 18:54:53 +0000 (UTC) From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Asymmetry in the handling of SETTINGS frame (#1846) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bbcf97d60289_50ad3fbec38d45c0244093"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0jasCVZ18W2iBhj6ukIgDlQHFeCDVMDeOtFL trazDT2Vo0d0WtSWDcusOMe2Ox6Pdy6kuhkUNLW8bUT37U9wVqHssb2OyaSc34uoa5qaqH/34+8W9V EIn25IbjGr0u5fGYgjRdnMNrXxftZp+aarKnY0kqn7uVH9ozAl50n8ngMzlhFRB/PT+qVkRe7iUv4Y I= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2018 18:54:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bbcf97d60289_50ad3fbec38d45c0244093 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Also, because settings are allowed to negotiate non-conformant behavior (and we no longer have a SETTINGS_ACK), in the general case, you can't guarantee that anything received on any other stream actually means what you think it means until you've seen SETTINGS. In the more common case where you don't support any such behavior, of course, this isn't a problem. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1846#issuecomment-428308995 ----==_mimepart_5bbcf97d60289_50ad3fbec38d45c0244093 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Also, because settings are allowed to negotiate non-conformant behavior = (and we no longer have a SETTINGS_ACK), in the general case, you can't guar= antee that anything received on any other stream actually means what you th= ink it means until you've seen SETTINGS. In the more common case where you= don't support any such behavior, of course, this isn't a problem.

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Hand-wavy similarity. It's a limit on the number of a given resource the peer is allowed to consume. I frankly don't care one way or the other -- if having the reuse causes more issues for anyone's implementation than changing the codepoint does, I'm happy to move it.

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Note that it would have needed a new codepoint if the HTTP WG wanted to adopt placeholders for HTTP/2, but that got the thumbs-down in Montreal.

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----==_mimepart_5bbcfa5a59507_152d3f8333ad45bc174924-- From nobody Tue Oct 9 12:01:41 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F41D130DC5 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 12:01:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.455 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.455 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pGv6Ch9oj8Qt for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 12:01:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F1B99130E28 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 12:01:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=2Xw/SMHJXDPjQsPYkOgj6tBbK80=; b=xDCSZM0F8Be1c+8Y lTwNCsrR8peYh/eFB+9pdkbC6LIgislmrzCtslt5sCFyjGVdXfwYkwga2Pn7Tcp7 LWaRp3yghyHZ2cNc+UJBTLVFMadIPBAfauDNFH1+A1wrKuKFLGcZGDmjTkAPGTR1 Z9FRkShPtGj0n72G7Nk7P/d95qo= Received: by filter1474p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1474p1mdw1-22485-5BBCFAFF-49 2018-10-09 19:01:19.817646568 +0000 UTC m=+450656.549168424 Received: from github-lowworker-417c549.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.45]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id mm1LZvBwQumH55E9a-xKUw for ; Tue, 09 Oct 2018 19:01:19.720 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-417c549.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28BF2C4005F for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 12:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2018 19:01:19 +0000 (UTC) From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Asymmetry in the handling of SETTINGS frame (#1846) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bbcfaef19e29_377d3fd07ecd45b814037b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2lnSqurbjo6M36x8y5SwqfU/GZzPXluAwJYD /4ePk+mlpiwF0XfE/wmK5nA+T282im2l8lfj3ohNwnSHYYfOQJRn/rjeZSdgeeg5uDdeq5fkbtmxTU TikVMgKq3AHPMK2w6pbw2unKJ4rWobuouGuyE3xmir/l4gwYI+Qb35KhSoOgdCzKTIsHsCF+BmVHV7 g= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2018 19:01:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bbcfaef19e29_377d3fd07ecd45b814037b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > In the HQ version, there is never a downward revision, Hmm, so I assumed the default for max header size list was unlimited (inferred from the language used to define SETTINGS_MAX_HEADER_LIST_SIZE). Which would mean that is it possible to reduce the size. Have I misunderstood? Perhaps it would be better to define QPACK related settings in QPACK? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1846#issuecomment-428311258 ----==_mimepart_5bbcfaef19e29_377d3fd07ecd45b814037b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In the HQ version, there is never a downward revision,

Hmm, so I assumed the default for max header size list was unlimited (in= ferred from the language used to define SETTINGS_MAX_HEADER_LIST_SIZE). Whi= ch would mean that is it possible to reduce the size. Have I misunderstood?=

Perhaps it would be better to define QPACK related settings in QPACK?

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= ----==_mimepart_5bbcfaef19e29_377d3fd07ecd45b814037b-- From nobody Tue Oct 9 12:07:41 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63DEE12D7F8 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 12:07:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9N7G7hWSY9jG for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 12:07:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6ED98129BBF for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 12:07:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2018 12:07:35 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539112055; bh=syVpjzYmpk1mdw12k5n9dXVbT8kjy0Oc5m8vgN8+GbQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=UD+MlH2rlxCqpr93KBhdI9Y6X56zgZHsNdwGU8Qosa+hoWDTbQE1eDMpr+1IHvx+h tW6+YVzj2RzNaul5OYD6HCl/NAhkA9iajO/Fsti9UmplJjAinrbuaIhYQQcX9mBIbS yF22wNyas7mW/cDCMIDWaH4RQCKTFCcuOgYCeqVY= From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP SETTINGS: why reuse codepoint 0x3? (#1847) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bbcfc77227bb_ee73fe59e6d45c01501a8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2018 19:07:39 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bbcfc77227bb_ee73fe59e6d45c01501a8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We explicitly forbid other HTTP settings because (presumably?) we want to catch bugs. By reusing 0x3, we allow for a potential bug when one side uses HTTP2 semantics -- likely due to some code reuse -- instead of HQ. There are two consistent choices: either use another value instead of 0x3, or renumber HQ settings and not care about forbidding HTTP2 setting values. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1847#issuecomment-428313332 ----==_mimepart_5bbcfc77227bb_ee73fe59e6d45c01501a8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

We explicitly forbid other HTTP settings because (presumably?) we want= to catch bugs. By reusing 0x3, we allow for a potential bug when one si= de uses HTTP2 semantics -- likely due to some code reuse -- instead of HQ= .

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In HTTP2 world, this setting is defined in RFC 7540, not in the HPACK RFC (7541):

https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7540#section-6.5.2

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Perhaps H2 got it wrong? :P

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@LPardue, the defaults apply if the SETTINGS frame arrives a= nd the value is not specified. There simply isn't a value until the SETT= INGS frame arrives.

We did move the QPACK-specific settings over in a previous issue/PR; t= hat setting is not quite QPACK-specific. The precise meaning is= poorly defined in HTTP/2, and perhaps we should open an issue to clarify= : Is it the maximum length of a HEADERS frame, or the maximum length of = the decoded headers?

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Is it the maximum length of a HEADERS frame, or the maximum length of = the decoded headers?

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Yes, I had already updated above to reflect that. Implementations I'm familiar with don't use that precise definition of header length, though, and it's purely advisory to begin with.

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@dtikhonov points out that the drawing for the PRIORITY frame uses more lines than needed and implies unused bytes that aren't actually there:

    0                   1                   2                   3
    0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
   |PT |DT |Empty|E|
   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
   |                 Prioritized Element ID (i)                  ...
   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
   |                 Element Dependency ID (i)                   ...
   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
   |   Weight (8)  |
   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

The Prioritized Element ID is variable-length and could just be on the previous line.

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Not so much bug-catching as to simplify life for people with shared code-bases. But sure, I don't have a problem with moving it. That would be a breaking change, though, so I'll save it for post-16.

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@LPardue, the defaults apply if the SETTINGS frame arrives a= nd the value is not specified. There simply isn't a value until the SETTI= NGS frame arrives.

We did move the QPACK-specific settings over in a previous issue/PR; t= hat setting is not quite QPACK-specific. The precise meaning is poorly de= fined in HTTP/2, and perhaps we should open an issue to clarify: Is it th= e maximum length of a HEADERS frame, or the maximum length of the decoded= headers?

ACK. I've gotten myself confused with this setting and QPACK-specific = ones. Sorry!

I think it would be helpful to redefine what this settings means expli= citly, or link to the HTTP/2 section if we are carrying that over.

Back on the true topic of this ticket, I agree with Mike that we need = to block on SETTINGS to know exactly what HTTP-level connection character= istics are being 'negotiated'. For example, my candidate unbound server push extension would allow a server to= start sending PUSH_PROMISE frames on server-initiated unidirectional str= eams, something that would normally not be allowed in HTTP/QUIC. How woul= d a non-blocking client handle such a case?

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We perform precisely that calculation for GQUIC in lsquic. So know you are familiar with one. :-)

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Though the values of some fields in the packet header might be redundant, no fields are omitted. The receiver of coalesced QUIC packets MUST individually process each QUIC packet and separately acknowledge them, as if -they were received as the payload of different UDP datagrams. If one or more -packets in a datagram cannot be processed yet (because the keys are not yet -available) or processing fails (decryption failure, unknown type, etc.), the -receiver MUST still attempt to process the remaining packets. The skipped -packets MAY either be discarded or buffered for later processing, just as if the -packets were received out-of-order in separate datagrams. +they were received as the payload of separate UDP datagrams. For example, if +decryption fails or the packet is of an unknown type, the receiver MAY either This seems to lose the case this text was originally added to address, which is that you don't have the keys to process this packet type yet. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -960,12 +960,10 @@ Every QUIC packet that is coalesced into a single UDP datagram is separate and
 complete.  Though the values of some fields in the packet header might be
 redundant, no fields are omitted.  The receiver of coalesced QUIC packets MUST
 individually process each QUIC packet and separately acknowledge them, as if
-they were received as the payload of different UDP datagrams.  If one or more
-packets in a datagram cannot be processed yet (because the keys are not yet
-available) or processing fails (decryption failure, unknown type, etc.), the
-receiver MUST still attempt to process the remaining packets.  The skipped
-packets MAY either be discarded or buffered for later processing, just as if the
-packets were received out-of-order in separate datagrams.
+they were received as the payload of separate UDP datagrams.  For example, if
+decryption fails or the packet is of an unknown type, the receiver MAY either

This seems to lose the case this text was originally added to address, which is that you don't have the keys to process this packet type yet. While these are non-limiting examples, that's probably a case worth calling out explicitly.

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@lnicco @MikeBishop Thank you for clarifying that = we have a restriction for 1-RTT case, client-side.

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Also, because settings are allowed to negotiate non-conformant behavio= r (and we no longer have a SETTINGS_ACK), in the general case, you can't = guarantee that anything received on any other stream actually means what = you think it means until you've seen SETTINGS. In the more common case wh= ere you don't support any such behavior, of course, this isn't a problem.=

If that is the case, shouldn't we better block the client from sending= anything (including SETTINGS) until it receives SETTINGS from server sen= t in 0.5 RTT?

In my view, without such requirement, current design does not= allow the endpoints to negotiate their settings. Rather, it is = unilateral declaration of SETTINGS by two parties. Assuming that we are f= ine with the lock-step approach on exchanging SETTINGS, I think adding on= e latch that requires the client for server's SETTINGS before sending it'= s SETTINGS would be fine.

If we have that latch, exchange of SETTINGS becomes a negotiation<= /em>. That would allow us to evolve in various ways, e.g. have a differen= t static table (#1343), or even have a different compression a= lgorithm.

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This is a good point. I've been operating under an assumption that a Q= UIC transport acknowledgement is equivalent to a SETTINGS_ACK but I'm now= not sure that is true; the application layer may still not have processe= d the received SETTINGS.

I think the unilateral declaration is ok. For the asymmetric case like= headers, the settings are independent and endpoints use the received val= ue. For a new feature that affects the connection equally simple AND logi= c seems ok (feature is only 'on' if both declare it so). That's how Serve= r Push used to work before the setting was replaced by MAX_PUSH_ID.

I don't know if @kazuho's latch proposal allows more than one t= ype basic negotiation - server advertises multiple integer values (A, B, = or C), client selects a value. On another ticket I suggested that a desig= n that uses integer only SETTINGS parameters with an AND-logic approach c= an be used to enable a more complicated negotiation mechanism i.e. use SE= TTINGS to inform the peer that you are intending to send a new negotiatio= n FRAME type followed later by the feature FRAME type.

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I think the mechanism for "negotiation" looks like this: each side un= ilaterally declares something (the set of options it supports for a parti= cular extension, say), then each side performs the same calculation and d= erives the same result (mutually supported values, select most preferred = by some measure if a single choice is required).

The implied ACK currently is that neither side is supposed to send unt= il it knows what the other side supports, so if you're seeing bytes on ot= her streams, they know what your settings are.

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= ----==_mimepart_5bbd30c046ab9_49243fad4aed45b8134298-- From nobody Tue Oct 9 16:07:29 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF565130E37 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 16:07:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 55bI0CEZAKzN for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 16:07:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F2A69130E0C for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 16:07:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2018 16:07:25 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539126445; bh=iPOaHZW0z8paS/72qLMjEvzC/u8O71jYYoNiELadmHU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=SsLGVay5XpSN5C9wtQfCFtDFgkUP6ZBQuk5Bx6mucPu6Jb/uO/C6b3uKbFblga5vN xqRhdMIE32aJKzA/aIoL2QYN2J9W1kJvK3pq+CgMwL2m7KbpEpnEaaMDP2LwTmetf1 EGIhhx51F1dlqxk1lOqRyfHFOyFVqFno+wCo7w9Q= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Asymmetry in the handling of SETTINGS frame (#1846) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bbd34ad47d6_668f3fe3de6d45b42464e6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2018 23:07:28 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bbd34ad47d6_668f3fe3de6d45b42464e6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @kazuho, am I right that the general statement for your model is that there are three sets of settings exchanged: 1. Server's initial (SETTINGS frame in 1-RTT, remembered in 0-RTT) 2. Client's initial (SETTINGS frame always) 3. Server's update (not present in 1-RTT, SETTINGS frame in 0-RTT; cannot reduce values, but can increase them) You'd then say that you must have received the previous item before you can generate the subsequent one? That would certainly enable consistent offer-select semantics for settings; the limitation is that any option the server adds during (3) isn't actually available until the next connection, when it's part of the implicit (1). However, that's true of the existing model as well unless there's an explicit change mechanism built in (see QPACK table size). (BTW, change of compressor / static table doesn't actually require an offer-select negotiation because the two directions are independent. Each side sends the set that it supports in preference order, then the result is that the other side will receive its most preferred (first in its list) which occurs in the overlap. That could result in different selections in each direction, but that's not a bad thing in many cases -- separate static tables for clients and servers, for example.) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1846#issuecomment-428383163 ----==_mimepart_5bbd34ad47d6_668f3fe3de6d45b42464e6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@kazuho, am I right that the general statement for your model i= s that there are three sets of settings exchanged:

  1. Server's initial (SETTINGS frame in 1-RTT, remembered in 0-RTT)
  2. Client's initial (SETTINGS frame always)
  3. Server's update (not present in 1-RTT, SETTINGS frame in 0-RTT; canno= t reduce values, but can increase them)

You'd then say that you must have received the previous item before yo= u can generate the subsequent one? That would certainly enable consisten= t offer-select semantics for settings; the limitation is that any option = the server adds during (3) isn't actually available until the next connec= tion, when it's part of the implicit (1). However, that's true of the ex= isting model as well unless there's an explicit change mechanism built in= (see QPACK table size).

(BTW, change of compressor / static table doesn't actually require an = offer-select negotiation because the two directions are independent. Eac= h side sends the set that it supports in preference order, then the resul= t is that the other side will receive its most preferred (first in its li= st) which occurs in the overlap. That could result in different selectio= ns in each direction, but that's not a bad thing in many cases -- separat= e static tables for clients and servers, for example.)

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= ----==_mimepart_5bbd34ad47d6_668f3fe3de6d45b42464e6-- From nobody Tue Oct 9 19:33:20 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED9C7130E4C for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 19:33:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.456 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.456 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id stRAo7EEu0EY for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 19:33:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C54FA130E53 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 19:33:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2018 19:33:15 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539138795; bh=RzxIAzhf5Rg4kxFHQF6Qw6xYWHWmYC65Hx4E7EVkqXk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=bHTr0nierIviHQ7TqNGtguYf5YyeuMy8Rwe2wbxDW5ORTYdfRIPpxDTZh/MLprVX3 TRIRh3sSGOg0/55lMBtHlG15I+rR20tr4CICU4siLBhJowZdeQTDkanH2cLYxxfNOE HhFpD6lomupRCiHfcJlSAsT3AWDTREiW7Mrz27Tc= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Asymmetry in the handling of SETTINGS frame (#1846) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bbd64ebb7dad_46cc3f9e852d45c022888a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 02:33:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bbd64ebb7dad_46cc3f9e852d45c022888a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @MikeBishop Yes. That is precisely the model I am interested in having. I also agree with your observation stated in the last paragraph. I think I might rephrase my question to: why don't we block the client from sending *anything* until it receives SETTINGS, rather than just blocking the requests? The benefits are: * We can have offer-select semantics. * We have the chance of reducing the number of unidirectional streams: * We might want to state that an endpoint opens a QPACK encoder stream only when it sees the peer advertising a non-zero table size, and that an endpoint opens a QPACK decoder stream only when it sees the peer opening the encoder stream. This would be a natural if we block the client from sending anything until it sees SETTINGS. * Then, a memory-constrained device would need to have only one slot for unidirectional streams in each direction, assuming that it advertises a QPACK table size of zero. This is better than the current requirement which requires us of having slots for three incoming unidirectional streams even though they might become idle. * Expanding on the previous point, we even have the freedom to replace QPACK with something else; for example, we could have XPACK that uses a unidirectional stream identifier of 'X'. Compared to these benefits, I do not see any downside in particular. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1846#issuecomment-428417336 ----==_mimepart_5bbd64ebb7dad_46cc3f9e852d45c022888a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@MikeBishop Yes. That is precisely the model I am interes= ted in having. I also agree with your observation stated in the last para= graph.

I think I might rephrase my question to: why don't we block the client= from sending anything until it receives SETTINGS, rather than j= ust blocking the requests?

The benefits are:

  • We can have offer-select semantics.
  • We have the chance of reducing the number of unidirectional streams:
    • We might want to state that an endpoint opens a QPACK encoder stream = only when it sees the peer advertising a non-zero table size, and that an= endpoint opens a QPACK decoder stream only when it sees the peer opening= the encoder stream. This would be a natural if we block the client from = sending anything until it sees SETTINGS.
    • Then, a memory-constrained device would need to have only one slot fo= r unidirectional streams in each direction, assuming that it advertises a= QPACK table size of zero. This is better than the current requirement wh= ich requires us of having slots for three incoming unidirectional streams= even though they might become idle.
  • Expanding on the previous point, we even have the freedom to replace = QPACK with something else; for example, we could have XPACK that uses a u= nidirectional stream identifier of 'X'.

Compared to these benefits, I do not see any downside in particular.

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What would be the impact of changing the hq ALPN value to h2?

Everything breaks, as

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----==_mimepart_5bbd9709f2b9e_350a3fe0778d45b8126396-- From nobody Tue Oct 9 23:08:19 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4343E130E8E for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 23:08:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.456 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.456 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7TkNUES7dmbJ for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 23:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A24C1130E62 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 23:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2018 23:08:15 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539151695; bh=l1tjHtknUpFSg/OoWvC3w+YRnamuVJXo4nWb7CKpVKs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Ps9gEYPTrtzHL/3uxXI15O9Zpw4Bomia4Nqq/FT4Wad4E5PwdEzaIyoD/y6sXysFK DA/SA/FyM1brF9+wLCJI7fyKUch9MB6u9kpUrMszVoqVpvfb237SJgag0F5R78aFeK +w20vsNSfpqF4xml4q89H+0X8SWOzV6GhI21EyUk= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Resume HTTP/2 TLS from QUIC ? (#941) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bbd974fc59be_597c3fdc6d6d45b42831ac"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 06:08:18 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bbd974fc59be_597c3fdc6d6d45b42831ac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > What would be the impact of changing the hq ALPN value to h2? Everything breaks, as @LPardue describes. I think that there is a way to do this, but we would need new signaling for alt-alpn. I don't want to embark on that effort right now. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/941#issuecomment-428449428 ----==_mimepart_5bbd974fc59be_597c3fdc6d6d45b42831ac Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

What would be the impact of changing the hq ALPN value to h2?

Everything breaks, as @LPardue describes. I think that there is a way to do this, but we would need new signaling for alt-alpn. I don't want to embark on that effort right now.

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Commit: b58e366d71db8926b95f6e07554ff08050991f7f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b58e366d71db8926b95f6e07554ff08050991f7f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-10 (Wed, 10 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1841 from martinduke/patch-23 Fix Frame # for RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/462feeeaaec8...b58e366d71db **NOTE:** This service has been marked for deprecation: https://developer.github.com/changes/2018-04-25-github-services-deprecation/ Functionality will be removed from GitHub.com on January 31st, 2019. ----==_mimepart_5bbd97b9d614b_14fd2ac8490525809125d-- From nobody Tue Oct 9 23:10:14 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29C0D130E5A for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 23:10:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.456 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.456 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9FK3pILqejmZ for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 23:10:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-13.smtp.github.com (out-13.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0898D130E62 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 23:10:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2018 23:10:03 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539151803; bh=BY1nO9GHayOSMsV9M9JpwEKkd1fZIJN0GBm8Y+Dmd4g=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=a6/bM1a1RYJz13LOAX9ZETuAGU/2mTSBLH9meo0trTleGq7nlaDsp47lfNdfCpI7o ojan5hhZiOR0foGM1kmt44wVxIG2uxYLfITOWRqnKg4v5ZCBIV3VyjvIWhKSYLRFCi VzepkeW5E2b6XALbBPW2RZKtkcqQ85l+e5pkeSYk= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Fix Frame # for RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID (#1841) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bbd97bb2e23c_6dc03fe830cd45bc501de"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 06:10:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bbd97bb2e23c_6dc03fe830cd45bc501de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 0x1b == 0x0d, so no problem. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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0x1b == 0x0d, so no problem.

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Merged #1841 into master.

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@LPardue writes:

I've been operating under an assumption that a QUIC transport acknowle= dgement is equivalent to a SETTINGS_ACK but I'm now not sure that is true= ; the application layer may still not have processed the received SETTING= S.

Theoretically, because the SETTINGS frame is a stream frame, = not a QUIC frame, the receipt of a packet carrying a SETTINGS frame does = not mean that the stream is readable. This is because the stream type C may be in a different packet from the SETTINGS frame.

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The transport parameters are described with decimal values in Section 6.6 but listed in hexadecimal in Table 7. Suggest to be consistent.

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Would it be more accurate to say that decimal values are used in Figur= e 10 while hexadecimal values are used in Table 7?

Section 6.6.1 actually described the transport parameters with Hex val= ues. It was my assumption that the decimal formatting in Figure 10 stems = from the statement

The format of the transport parameters is the TransportParameters
struct from Figure 10. This is described using the presentation
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----==_mimepart_5bbe4d98a231d_38fe3feb87ed45c4363844-- From nobody Wed Oct 10 12:08:10 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0688D124BE5 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 12:08:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.456 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.456 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3luG1xSNwcvF for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 12:08:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 231AE12426A for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 12:08:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 12:08:05 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539198485; bh=VdW7oOjWX9wg7TQdm7FEh5F3H+z5MX4VX59VthzXMkc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=YVHcw6tj1dfqYKYgErod2DjN9NIw0SbhzCGuciWKlQ5lPchB7g7I655fl0PLja4eL BHxdGXFbhVnmpP/dFFrXytNAPoL5FYNTpGeHg22aIijQJvuqaX3nDRXo3dY8AwdquI GHGvB+Uf2Zl2YkUvQ/t4Gqw85wz7AEY2rvsTsCQg= From: Igor Lubashev Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clarify coalesced packet processing (#1844) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bbe4e1536335_7b583fce846d45c41204a2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: igorlord X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 19:08:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bbe4e1536335_7b583fce846d45c41204a2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit igorlord commented on this pull request. > @@ -960,12 +960,10 @@ Every QUIC packet that is coalesced into a single UDP datagram is separate and complete. Though the values of some fields in the packet header might be redundant, no fields are omitted. The receiver of coalesced QUIC packets MUST individually process each QUIC packet and separately acknowledge them, as if -they were received as the payload of different UDP datagrams. If one or more -packets in a datagram cannot be processed yet (because the keys are not yet -available) or processing fails (decryption failure, unknown type, etc.), the -receiver MUST still attempt to process the remaining packets. The skipped -packets MAY either be discarded or buffered for later processing, just as if the -packets were received out-of-order in separate datagrams. +they were received as the payload of separate UDP datagrams. For example, if +decryption fails or the packet is of an unknown type, the receiver MAY either Makes sense. Updated the PR to mention this case specifically. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1844#discussion_r224205349 ----==_mimepart_5bbe4e1536335_7b583fce846d45c41204a2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -960,12 +960,10 @@ Every QUIC packet that is coalesced into a single UDP datagram is separate and
 complete.  Though the values of some fields in the packet header might be
 redundant, no fields are omitted.  The receiver of coalesced QUIC packets MUST
 individually process each QUIC packet and separately acknowledge them, as if
-they were received as the payload of different UDP datagrams.  If one or more
-packets in a datagram cannot be processed yet (because the keys are not yet
-available) or processing fails (decryption failure, unknown type, etc.), the
-receiver MUST still attempt to process the remaining packets.  The skipped
-packets MAY either be discarded or buffered for later processing, just as if the
-packets were received out-of-order in separate datagrams.
+they were received as the payload of separate UDP datagrams.  For example, if
+decryption fails or the packet is of an unknown type, the receiver MAY either

Makes sense. Updated the PR to mention this case specifically.

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thanks @dtikhonov. With that in mind, my thought experimen= ts of attempting to determine if the remote endpoint received and process= ed a SETTINGS frame seems kludgy and fragile.

@MikeBishop / @kazuho Does your line of thinking r= isk introducing delay of sending things? I realise the overall t= iming might net out the same.

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@LPardue I dont' think it's kludgy or fragile at all :) You just need to ensure that the SETTINGS data AND all previous data on that stream have been acked. Depending on the data structure that you use to store data for retransmission that may well be trivial.

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In the limited experience I have, we read data off the transport as fast as possible but the application is then free to take as long as it wants to actually process stream data. Which is why I'm not so sure that transport acks are a definitive signal.

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There would be almost no new delay; in the 1-RTT case, if the server's 1= -RTT packet containing the SETTINGS frame is

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    then in the current scheme the client could only send SETTINGS, wh= ile in Kazuho's proposal the client couldn't send SETTINGS either. It does= n't induce delay in sending requests.

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@RyanAtGoogle, but there is no guarantee that the application layer has processed the SETTINGS frame even if all the packets carrying the corresponding STREAM frames have been acked by the transport layer.

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@dtikhonov Oh, agreed. I was merely addressing the potential issue of the 'C type' indication going in a different packet.

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@LPardue is right: we've tried to use hex everywhere in the draft, but Figure 10 uses the representation specified in RFC 8446. To be consistent between those two, we'd give up consistency in the rest of the draft.

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in the current scheme the client could only send SETTINGS, wh= ile in Kazuho's proposal the client couldn't send SETTINGS either. It doe= sn't induce additional delay in sending requests.

To amend what @MikeBishop states here, I would like to po= int out that we currently have two ways of doing negotiation.

For bidirectional streams (omitting the 0-RTT case), we currently use = unidirectional declaration of SETTINGS. An endpoint is not allowed to sen= d data using a bidirectional stream until it receives SETTINGS.

For unidirectional streams, we do not negotiate prior to using them. I= nstead, we have a type octet, and a endpoint that receives an unknown typ= e is expected to close the stream by sending STOPPING.

The design works. But I wonder if there is a reason to have two differ= ent ways of "negotiation." My suggestion is to use SETTINGS-based negotia= tion for both bidirectional and unidirectional streams. The bene= fits in doing so are listed in
#1846 (comment).

Doing everything in lock-step will not introduce additional delay to p= rocessing HTTP requests in practice. If we are to care about such delay, = I would prefer unblocking the use of bidirectional streams as well. That = is what I originally proposed in this issue.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -960,12 +960,10 @@ Every QUIC packet that is coalesced into a single UDP datagram is separate and
 complete.  Though the values of some fields in the packet header might be
 redundant, no fields are omitted.  The receiver of coalesced QUIC packets MUST
 individually process each QUIC packet and separately acknowledge them, as if
-they were received as the payload of different UDP datagrams.  If one or more
-packets in a datagram cannot be processed yet (because the keys are not yet
-available) or processing fails (decryption failure, unknown type, etc.), the
-receiver MUST still attempt to process the remaining packets.  The skipped
-packets MAY either be discarded or buffered for later processing, just as if the
-packets were received out-of-order in separate datagrams.
+they were received as the payload of separate UDP datagrams.  For example, if
+decryption fails (the keys are not yet available or any other reason) or the
+packet is of an unknown type, the receiver MAY either discard or buffer the

"the packet" does not make sense in this context. How about "If one or more packets in a datagram cannot be processed yet, because of decryption failure or any other reason, the receiver MAY either discard or buffer the packets for later processing. The receiver MUST still attempt to process the remaining packets in the UDP datagram."

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----==_mimepart_5bbeaa5d4a6ee_4bcf3ffb678d45bc3896ce-- From nobody Wed Oct 10 23:22:57 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86510130E37 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 23:22:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wevpiPfVe4zS for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 23:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-14.smtp.github.com (out-14.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CC33C130E34 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 23:22:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 23:22:53 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539238973; bh=xRxLoK2qwm+v9eoqPuosg24btykj6gw030Sxqtj3gpE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ttVhvX3CP33ct2A2ftwcWsCUUqsAdM5GhjRJOevqFtVu4rrPyiaj+OGtNxbSXLFKf SvRHVwK54pILXnJYiuOCGFeVsW5tcesBOuDowCxja8eU+rJKCzMH9DrB4ze3mJVrMc QPbq2pc8lpNSauxzuOtesCAg5Zq6/gI22TetJd4E= From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Transport parameters, hex vs decimal (#1849) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bbeec3dc61c_76643fbb19ad45bc40061c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 06:22:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bbeec3dc61c_76643fbb19ad45bc40061c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #1849. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1849#event-1897301537 ----==_mimepart_5bbeec3dc61c_76643fbb19ad45bc40061c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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OK. One suggestion might be to use decimal in Fig 10 and put the hex values into a comment or something

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The STREAM_ID_BLOCKED frame has the Stream ID field which is

A variable-length integer indicating the highest stream ID that the sender was permitted to open.

This encoding doesn't allow to convey that the peer (in this case, this is always the client) would like to open stream 0, but the server didn't allow any bidirectional stream in the transport parameters (i.e. sent a 0 for initial_max_stream_data_bidi_remote).

The easy fix for this is to send the stream ID of the stream that the peer was not permitted to open due to missing stream flow control credit.

This would also have the nice property to make this frame more symmetric with the BLOCKED and STREAM_BLOCKED frames. For example, for STREAM_BLOCKED an offset of 0 means that the peer was not allowed to send byte 0 on that stream.

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Fixes #1850.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1851

Commit Summary

  • change the STREAM_ID_BLOCKED frame to encode stream 0

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Added a "Compression Process Overview" section near the top, with a high level description of how to compress/decompress. This section now encompasses a lot of what used to be "Encoding Strategies".

In the places where I added new text, I temporarily added HTML comments to indicicate so it can get a bit more detailed review.

I also deleted a few sentences/paragraphs/sections that I found to be redundant:

  • Preventing Eviction Races
  • "An encoder also respects..."
  • "For header blocks encoded in..."
  • Single Pass Encoding
  • "All table updates occur on..."

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1852

Commit Summary

  • WIP: Reorganize QPACK

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(#1853) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bbf915d69159_632d3fb07b8d45bc59991"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 18:07:29 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bbf915d69159_632d3fb07b8d45bc59991 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In HTTP/2, GOAWAY caused actual stream state transitions on streams higher than the indicated ID. Since QUIC handles stream state, this can't occur automatically in HTTP/QUIC. Instead, > Once [GOAWAY is] sent, the server MUST cancel requests sent on streams with an identifier higher than the indicated last Stream ID. Clients MUST NOT send new requests on the connection after receiving GOAWAY.... If the client has sent requests on streams with a higher Stream ID... those requests are considered cancelled. Clients SHOULD reset any streams above this ID with the error code HTTP_REQUEST_CANCELLED. So the server effectively cancels on the client twice, once using HTTP and once using QUIC. Clients SHOULD reset some of the requests (on the expectation that the server will anyway), but the server isn't required to do it for them. This feels a little broken. If the clients can't send new requests after receiving the GOAWAY and the streams are going to get RST_STREAM/STOP_SENDING from one or both parties anyway, the stream ID in the GOAWAY frame seems like it provides marginal value. Basically the only effect is that clients can anticipate that requests issued while the GOAWAY was in flight (i.e. greater than the identified stream ID) will *likely* be cancelled and be valid for retry. They can't technically be sure unless that happens, but might choose to retry requests sooner anyway. It would be more correct to wait for the cancellation to arrive to know that's the error code the server chose. Perhaps the right model would be: - GOAWAY contains no payload. Clients MUST NOT initiate new requests after receiving GOAWAY, but it conveys no information about the state of the requests already in flight. - Clients MAY either cancel partially sent requests or finish sending them and let the server decide. - After sending a GOAWAY, servers MUST promptly cancel any request from the client which it does not intend to fulfill. - Once all requests have completed (either via a response or cancellation), the client either sends an APPLICATION_CLOSE NO_ERROR or allows the connection to terminate via the idle timeout. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1853 ----==_mimepart_5bbf915d69159_632d3fb07b8d45bc59991 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

In HTTP/2, GOAWAY caused actual stream state transitions on streams higher than the indicated ID. Since QUIC handles stream state, this can't occur automatically in HTTP/QUIC. Instead,

Once [GOAWAY is] sent, the server MUST cancel requests sent on streams with an identifier higher than the indicated last Stream ID. Clients MUST NOT send new requests on the connection after receiving GOAWAY.... If the client has sent requests on streams with a higher Stream ID... those requests are considered cancelled. Clients SHOULD reset any streams above this ID with the error code HTTP_REQUEST_CANCELLED.

So the server effectively cancels on the client twice, once using HTTP and once using QUIC. Clients SHOULD reset some of the requests (on the expectation that the server will anyway), but the server isn't required to do it for them. This feels a little broken.

If the clients can't send new requests after receiving the GOAWAY and the streams are going to get RST_STREAM/STOP_SENDING from one or both parties anyway, the stream ID in the GOAWAY frame seems like it provides marginal value.

Basically the only effect is that clients can anticipate that requests issued while the GOAWAY was in flight (i.e. greater than the identified stream ID) will likely be cancelled and be valid for retry. They can't technically be sure unless that happens, but might choose to retry requests sooner anyway.

It would be more correct to wait for the cancellation to arrive to know that's the error code the server chose. Perhaps the right model would be:

  • GOAWAY contains no payload. Clients MUST NOT initiate new requests after receiving GOAWAY, but it conveys no information about the state of the requests already in flight.
  • Clients MAY either cancel partially sent requests or finish sending them and let the server decide.
  • After sending a GOAWAY, servers MUST promptly cancel any request from the client which it does not intend to fulfill.
  • Once all requests have completed (either via a response or cancellation), the client either sends an APPLICATION_CLOSE NO_ERROR or allows the connection to terminate via the idle timeout.

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----==_mimepart_5bbf915d69159_632d3fb07b8d45bc59991-- From nobody Thu Oct 11 11:29:55 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67540130EED for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 11:29:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9e0AUCNE2Mn0 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 11:29:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E114E130F3E for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 11:29:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 11:29:46 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539282586; bh=g1DjlLbWG3VYQPCm4HLCOpWVGDOkpH2W0ocFyROcBfo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=b4/LXOG4SaOt+PJDGneYYHl5UfnSQvU3ZF5vErYRmdKX+i0TtbnCcegOmGPGcp0bN VerXKPGMjS/IINxJxIjaXNYfSOk+AreQYcWOW8DxP4zpNZ9b15QZAUpooOjR04sgtC /vkcJezjTe4c4fRUvFXwm+GAdQPY3+4vx55QzPns= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Does GOAWAY really need a stream number? (#1853) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bbf969a7e2_51e3ff7020d45c428906a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 18:29:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bbf969a7e2_51e3ff7020d45c428906a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think that this is a good suggestion and I support making this change. In QUIC, there is no guarantee that the server will receive the HTTP requests in ascending order of stream IDs (since we have out-of-order delivery). Having different behavior based on a particular stream ID carried by a GOAWAY frame does not make sense to me. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1853#issuecomment-429068999 ----==_mimepart_5bbf969a7e2_51e3ff7020d45c428906a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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In QUIC, there is no guarantee that the server will receive the HTTP r= equests in ascending order of stream IDs (since we have out-of-order deli= very). Having different behavior based on a particular stream ID carried = by a GOAWAY frame does not make sense to me.

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Continuing to read through the closure section, it calls out one scenari= o which might be a partial justification:

  • POST request is in flight from client
  • QUIC *_CLOSE frame is received from server

Can the POST be retried? If the packet also included a STREAM frame con= taining a GOAWAY, the client can perhaps conclude that the POST was not in = the potentially-processed range. More generally, it provides a modicum of = guidance on what to do with open streams if the connection closes with stre= ams still active. However, this actually happening seems somewhat remote a= nd I'm dubious that it justifies retaining a two-layer close mechanism.

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= ----==_mimepart_5bbf99cfc8f9c_d703ff3f06d45c413428a-- From nobody Thu Oct 11 11:44:16 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8795130EA2 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 11:44:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.455 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.455 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YYh18LknQYlW for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 11:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0234412008A for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 11:44:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 11:44:13 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539283453; bh=7xSnU2GgU0I0yL72MnTDlNW4RjeGtswkzxvoJvrtoLw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ocwBlE3cCpmrLs/wXuuBQVhojVLEzc+ncbIAdg4Sqyk6M/4QfsHSabv34zKFiimYN vh5UqGSbt9NrKOnqCC5knXrAtsgnND6wJofRw3Ich6EDmwDRD5klQzBrOa0XBbHSOo Z4KomlrO4EaQkFvwWUedRAcU4ZVmAbzD6VRwuzoU= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] change the STREAM_ID_BLOCKED frame to encode stream 0 (#1851) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bbf99fd24c5f_4e393fc03bcd45c011972e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 18:44:16 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bbf99fd24c5f_4e393fc03bcd45c011972e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kazuho commented on this pull request. > @@ -3254,8 +3254,8 @@ The STREAM_ID_BLOCKED frame contains a single field. Stream ID: -: A variable-length integer indicating the highest stream ID that the sender - was permitted to open. +: A variable-length integer indicating the stream ID of the stream that the + sender was not able to open due to the maximum stream ID limit. To avoid ambiguity, would it make sense to clarify that the value is "the maximum stream ID among the streams that the sender is willing to open"? Consider the case of a client that received from server a `initial_max_bidi_stream` of zero. If the client want to open two bidirectional streams (i.e. stream ID 0 and 4), should it send `STREAM_ID_BLOCKED` frame with stream ID of 0? My intent is to clarify that sending 4 in allowed such case. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1851#pullrequestreview-163960401 ----==_mimepart_5bbf99fd24c5f_4e393fc03bcd45c011972e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3254,8 +3254,8 @@ The STREAM_ID_BLOCKED frame contains a single field.
 
 Stream ID:
 
-: A variable-length integer indicating the highest stream ID that the sender
-  was permitted to open.
+: A variable-length integer indicating the stream ID of the stream that the
+  sender was not able to open due to the maximum stream ID limit.

To avoid ambiguity, would it make sense to clarify that the value is "the maximum stream ID among the streams that the sender is willing to open"?

Consider the case of a client that received from server a initial_max_bidi_stream of zero. If the client want to open two bidirectional streams (i.e. stream ID 0 and 4), should it send STREAM_ID_BLOCKED frame with stream ID of 0? My intent is to clarify that sending 4 in allowed such case.

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Regarding *_CLOSE, can we say that the server SHOULD use GOAWAY to initiate close?

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----==_mimepart_5bbf9b4e8e56c_cf33fa5588d45b8270297-- From nobody Thu Oct 11 11:50:52 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB78E130DD6 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 11:50:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.455 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.455 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nr4QBEdmaIev for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 11:50:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C748124D68 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 11:50:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=7VO/fVzveOBxQ2hy/VniQRH3VYQ=; b=PMUSjqEaFg5aju0P T32Pxy2VKMJ7g2iy9YYD0NFM7Njo1wExPjsLuLh2u2zwWh/vCXHeSOdfD3Oo7QVD 9SuTcvvOCHjS4Xich7aLzoXddGmVxTYzx/M/6OGeHquBQDruYisPVTq3MkNaH3+n pWSrhztfnwgjD6Qz9paXl6cRxT4= Received: by filter1205p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1205p1las1-908-5BBF9B87-22 2018-10-11 18:50:47.479260853 +0000 UTC m=+3013879.426072914 Received: from github-lowworker-e51511d.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.34]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id xjSDUg8fTMSSmhJQLmBhVQ for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 18:50:47.370 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-e51511d.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55F728008F for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 11:50:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 18:50:47 +0000 (UTC) From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Does GOAWAY really need a stream number? (#1853) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bbf9b874f898_534a3fc954cd45bc36393d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2OdXKQ89lolo8modC6m7g8nsnx7kxNvitMOO 2k85bjlvPPGOgcOOxwfn0cGncGvW4IouXiawDDDflBgweMv1z7CQ++8+wY+8cTCegSrUarUZMHdeRx Wffb3Whc8hiAybn5M/IC5DRWDCeFjykb/DogqzVQPb59nndLRMOoejrCrk2V2iF+PbJEHqo2Aomfoe 0= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 18:50:51 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bbf9b874f898_534a3fc954cd45bc36393d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We already advise that, if the server has advance notice that a _CLOSE will be necessary. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1853#issuecomment-429076440 ----==_mimepart_5bbf9b874f898_534a3fc954cd45bc36393d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

We already advise that, if the server has advance notice that a _CLOSE will be necessary.

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I=E2=80=99d argue that sending 4 in that case is not correct. Streams = are opened sequentially, so you=E2=80=99re blocked on opening stream 0, n= ot on opening stream 4.

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= ----==_mimepart_5bbf9e9a7b305_6cd23ff9e0ad45c01753a0-- From nobody Thu Oct 11 12:11:32 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA15B130ED4 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:11:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Tv2W3OXNW09b for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:11:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9F289130DE9 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:11:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:11:28 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539285088; bh=N47SxBH4y/NRtGxL+clmYcwSy8WyWqvHO57v4VAiB3w=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=OneM6c2BLDeI+FjOoOflYPgFP71hz6C4YKDekTG8k1ZlDV8vpVFEFVAPB+7+sU/+D tOUinVGAluDX9zBeLaXTO2xIZd1ZylBCt1kAgiaag5is9r2zBJWcwqm6Yit0P9oHPH fb0zWxFu5I9uHNn4PPwEukP/mCQqBfUm1eV5SftE= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Asymmetry in the handling of SETTINGS frame (#1846) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bbfa060a4889_49f43f8b9b8d45bc270780"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 19:11:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bbfa060a4889_49f43f8b9b8d45bc270780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While I'm coming to like this proposal, I will also point out that the unilateral use of frame types is a model carried forward from HTTP/2, and our charter says that we will "accommodate the extension mechanisms defined in the HTTP/2 specification." Unilateral use of unidirectional stream types is in keeping with that. The reason currently stated for having these two different mechanisms is that you can unilaterally use optional-to-understand extensions (ALTSVC, ORIGIN, etc.), but MUST negotiate breaking changes before using them. (Also, note that the server might begin initiating unidirectional stream types before having received the client SETTINGS.) However, a modified SETTINGS exchange that permits true offer-select negotiation would greatly simplify negotiating breaking changes; currently the spec just handwaves that a coordination mechanism for when the change comes into effect might be required. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1846#issuecomment-429082881 ----==_mimepart_5bbfa060a4889_49f43f8b9b8d45bc270780 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

While I'm coming to like this proposal, I will also point out that the= unilateral use of frame types is a model carried forward from HTTP/2, an= d our charter says that we will "accommodate the extension mechanisms def= ined in the HTTP/2 specification." Unilateral use of unidirectional stre= am types is in keeping with that.

The reason currently stated for having these two different mechanisms = is that you can unilaterally use optional-to-understand extensions (ALTSV= C, ORIGIN, etc.), but MUST negotiate breaking changes before using them. = (Also, note that the server might begin initiating unidirectional stream= types before having received the client SETTINGS.)

However, a modified SETTINGS exchange that permits true offer-select n= egotiation would greatly simplify negotiating breaking changes; currently= the spec just handwaves that a coordination mechanism for when the chang= e comes into effect might be required.

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The original reason for adding the Stream ID was to deduplicate and te= ll whether a frame was delayed or if the peer is still blocked. Includin= g that you'd like to open "up to" Stream 4 is actually more informative, = since it tells the recipient that merely allowing a single additional str= eam doesn't unblock you.

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@kazuho the way I think about unidirectional streams is that th= ey are the only way to extend HTTP/QUIC. This isn't a hard rule = and isn't really true (as Mike points out, there's hand waving coordinati= on that would let anyone do anything).

The unbound server push extension does actually require negotiation be= cause it modifies the rule about allowing a PUSH_PROMISE frame on server-= initiated streams (a behavioural change). Without a stream type to help i= dentify what is an endpoint is explicitly trying to tell you it is doing,= we end up with implicit rules like assuming there is a control stream or= QPACK encoder streams using a particular. I actually think your proposal= works well with the unidirectional stream types because it reduces impli= cit assumption. And if that comes without additional delays then it reall= y encourages me for the flexibility of HTTP over QUIC.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3254,8 +3254,8 @@ The STREAM_ID_BLOCKED frame contains a single field.
 
 Stream ID:
 
-: A variable-length integer indicating the highest stream ID that the sender
-  was permitted to open.
+: A variable-length integer indicating the stream ID of the stream that the
+  sender was not able to open due to the maximum stream ID limit.

Done. PHAL.

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Including that you'd like to open "up to" Stream 4 is actually more in= formative

Yes, but that creates a new manner in which this frame differs from th= e other frames. If we make this change, then we need to be clearer about= the semantics of this and the other *_BLOCKED frames. Look= ing now, I'm not clear on whether STREAM_BLOCKED sends the current window= , or the maximum offset that the sender wanted to send.

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This is an improvement (feel free to defer some of the comments, I got a little carried away). > +Encoder: + +: An implementation which transforms a header list into a header block. + +Decoder: + +: An implementation which transforms a header block into a header list. + + +Absolute Index: + +: A unique index for each entry in the dynamic table. + +Base Index: + +: An absolute index in a header block from which relative indices are made Period. > Like HPACK, QPACK uses two tables for associating header fields to indices. The static table (see {{table-static}}) is predefined and contains common header fields (some of them with an empty value). The dynamic table (see {{table-dynamic}}) is built up over the course of the connection and can be used by the encoder to index header fields repeated in the encoded header lists. +- The encoder uses a unidirectional stream to modify the state of the dynamic +table without generating header fields to any particular request. + +- HEADERS and PUSH_PROMISE frames on request and push streams reference the +table state without modifying it. + +- The decoder sends feedback to the encoder on a unidirectional stream that +enables the encoder to manage dynamic table state. + +## Encoder + + +An encoder encodes a header list by emitting either an indexed or a literal +representation of each header field in the list. Index references to the static s/of/for > +- The encoder uses a unidirectional stream to modify the state of the dynamic +table without generating header fields to any particular request. + +- HEADERS and PUSH_PROMISE frames on request and push streams reference the +table state without modifying it. + +- The decoder sends feedback to the encoder on a unidirectional stream that +enables the encoder to manage dynamic table state. + +## Encoder + + +An encoder encodes a header list by emitting either an indexed or a literal +representation of each header field in the list. Index references to the static +table and literals do not require any dynamic state and never risk head-of-line +blocking. References to the dynamic table do risk head-of-line blocking if the s/do// > + +An encoder MUST ensure that a header block which references a dynamic table +entry is not received by the decoder after the referenced entry has already been +evicted. To enable this, the encoder needs to track outstanding +(unacknowledged) header blocks that reference the dynamic table. + +### Blocked Dynamic Table Insertions {#blocked-insertion} + +An encoder MUST NOT insert an entry into the dynamic table (or duplicate an +existing entry) if doing so would evict an entry with unacknowledged references. +For header blocks that might rely on the newly added entry, the encoder can use +a literal representation and maybe insert the entry later. + +To ensure that the encoder is not prevented from adding new entries, the encoder +can avoid referencing entries that will be evicted soonest. Rather than +reference such an entry, the encoder SHOULD emit a Duplicate instruction (see s/SHOULD/can - it's not a normative requiement > +To ensure that the encoder is not prevented from adding new entries, the encoder +can avoid referencing entries that will be evicted soonest. Rather than +reference such an entry, the encoder SHOULD emit a Duplicate instruction (see +{{duplicate}}), and reference the duplicate instead. + +Determining which entries are too close to eviction to reference is an encoder +preference. One heuristic is to target a fixed amount of available space in the +dynamic table: either unused space or space that can be reclaimed by evicting +unreferenced entries. To achieve this, the encoder can maintain a draining +index, which is the smallest absolute index in the dynamic table that it will +emit a reference for. As new entries are inserted, the encoder increases the +draining index to maintain the section of the table that it will not +reference. Draining entries - entries with an absolute index lower than the +draining index - will not accumulate new references. The number of +unacknowledged references to draining entries will eventually become zero, +making the entry available for eviction. for the last two sentences, suggest: "If the encoder does not create new references to entries with an absolute index lower than the draining index, the number of unacknowledged references to those entries will eventually become zero, allowing the entry to be evicted." That loses the "draining entries" thing, but I would then change the picture to say "Unreferenceable Entries". > + Dropping Draining Index Base Index / + Point Insertion Point +~~~~~~~~~~ +{:#fig-draining-index title="Draining Dynamic Table Entries"} + + +### Avoiding Head-of-Line Blocking {#overview-hol-avoidance} + +Because QUIC does not guarantee order between data on different streams, a +header block might reference an entry in the dynamic table that has not yet been +received. + +Each header block contains a Largest Reference {{header-prefix}} which +identifies the table state necessary for decoding. If the greatest absolute +index in the dynamic table is less than the value of the Largest Reference, the +stream is considered "blocked." While blocked, header field data should remain s/should/can - though we're hiding a footgun here (maybe a separate discussion) > +identifies the table state necessary for decoding. If the greatest absolute +index in the dynamic table is less than the value of the Largest Reference, the +stream is considered "blocked." While blocked, header field data should remain +in the blocked stream's flow control window. When the Largest Reference is +zero, the frame contains no references to the dynamic table and can always be +processed immediately. A stream becomes unblocked when the greatest absolute +index in the dynamic table becomes greater than or equal to the Largest +Reference for all header blocks the decoder has started reading from the stream. +If a decoder encounters a header block where the actual largest reference is not +equal to the Largest Reference declared in the prefix, it MAY treat this as a +stream error of type HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED. + +A decoder can permit the possibility of blocked streams by setting +SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS to a non-zero value (see {{configuration}}). +This setting specifies an upper bound on the number of streams which can be +blocked. Single sentence: "The SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS setting (see {{configuration}}) specifies an upper bound on the number..." > +blocked. + +An encoder can decide whether to risk having a stream become blocked. If +permitted by the value of SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS, compression efficiency +can be improved by referencing dynamic table entries that are still in transit, +but if there is loss or reordering the stream can become blocked at the decoder. +An encoder avoids the risk of blocking by only referencing dynamic table entries +which have been acknowledged, but this means using literals. Since literals make +the header block larger, this can result in the encoder becoming blocked on +congestion or flow control limits. + +An encoder MUST limit the number of streams which could become blocked to the +value of SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS at all times. Note that the decoder +might not actually become blocked on every stream which risks becoming blocked. +If the decoder encounters more blocked streams than it promised to support, it +MUST treat this as a stream error of type HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED. Move this to the one-sentence paragraph above. > +When blocking references are permitted, the encoder uses acknowledgement of +header blocks to identify the Largest Known Received index, as described in +{{header-acknowledgement}}. + +To acknowledge dynamic table entries which are not referenced by header blocks, +for example because the encoder or the decoder have chosen not to risk blocked +streams, the decoder sends a Table State Synchronize instruction (see +{{table-state-synchronize}}). + + +### Speculative table updates {#speculative-updates} + +Implementations can *speculatively* send instructions on the encoder stream +which are not needed for any current HTTP request or response. Such headers +could be used strategically to improve performance. For instance, the encoder +might decide to *refresh* by sending Duplicate representations for popular I don't think that the emphasis here is going to produce good results. > +Implementations can *speculatively* send instructions on the encoder stream +which are not needed for any current HTTP request or response. Such headers +could be used strategically to improve performance. For instance, the encoder +might decide to *refresh* by sending Duplicate representations for popular +header fields ({{duplicate}}), ensuring they have small indices and hence +minimal size on the wire. + +## Decoder + + + +Like in HPACK, the decoder processes header blocks and emits the corresponding +header lists. It also processes dynamic table modifications from instructions on +the encoder stream. + +A decoder MUST must emit header fields in the order their representations appear MUST must MuST mUsT > + + +### Speculative table updates {#speculative-updates} + +Implementations can *speculatively* send instructions on the encoder stream +which are not needed for any current HTTP request or response. Such headers +could be used strategically to improve performance. For instance, the encoder +might decide to *refresh* by sending Duplicate representations for popular +header fields ({{duplicate}}), ensuring they have small indices and hence +minimal size on the wire. + +## Decoder + + + +Like in HPACK, the decoder processes header blocks and emits the corresponding Maybe make a note here or above that the design of QPACK is such that the encoder takes on all complex tasks, where the decoder is simple. > - -# Wire Format - -QPACK instructions occur in three locations, each of which uses a separate -instruction space: - - - The encoder stream is a unidirectional stream of type `0x48` (ASCII 'H') - which carries table updates from encoder to decoder. Instructions on this - stream modify the dynamic table state without generating output to any - particular request. +~~~~~ drawing + Base Index + | + V + +---+-----+-----+-----+-----+ + | n | n-1 | n-2 | ... | d+1 | Absolute Index This could be clearer, I think. The 2 here (in n-2) is confusing. What you really want is a diagram that shows the different values in a block. Largest reference will be the largest value, that's your baseline. Base offset is taken relative to the largest reference. Here it's 2, which is confusing. We need to show examples of where base allows for post-base references and one where it doesn't. Including entries that have been evicted in this diagram confuses the matter. It would be better to rely on text or to show that new entries appear on the left and old entries are evicted on the right. Does this help? ``` Indexing Overview <- Absolute Indices (increase to left) L = Largest Reference B = Base Reference Newer Older <- Entries Entries -> Added Evicted Indexing (simple case, B == L): ---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--- ...| L |L-1|L-2|L-3|L-4|L-5|L-6|... ---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--- Index: 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 ... Indexing (B > L): ---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--- ...| B |B-1|...| L |L-1|L-2|L-3|... ---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--- Index: x x x D D+1 D+2 D+3 ... x = invalid index D = B - L Post-Base Indexing (where B < L) ---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--- ...| L |...|B+2|B+1| B |B-1|B-2|... ---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--- Index: 0 1 2 ... Post-Base: P ... 1 0 P = L - B - 1 ``` > +## Stream Types + +QPACK instructions occur in three locations, each of which uses a separate +instruction space: + + - The encoder stream is a unidirectional stream of type `0x48` (ASCII 'H') + which carries table updates from encoder to decoder. + + - The decoder stream is a unidirectional stream of type `0x68` (ASCII 'h') + which carries acknowledgements of table modifications and header processing + from decoder to encoder. + + - Finally, the contents of HEADERS and PUSH_PROMISE frames on request streams + and push streams reference the QPACK table state. + + Yeah, let's leave that question for the moment. > @@ -618,6 +715,7 @@ An encoder that receives an Insert Count equal to zero or one that increases Largest Known Received beyond what the encoder has sent MUST treat this as a connection error of type `HTTP_QPACK_DECODER_STREAM_ERROR`. + Yeah, I think that this belongs in the decoder section. > @@ -633,7 +731,8 @@ After processing a header block whose declared Largest Reference is not zero, the decoder emits a Header Acknowledgement instruction on the decoder stream. The instruction begins with the '1' one-bit pattern and includes the request stream's stream ID, encoded as a 7-bit prefix integer. It is used by the -peer's QPACK encoder to know when it is safe to evict an entry. +peer's QPACK encoder to know when it is safe to evict an entry, and possibly s/QPACK// ? > @@ -633,7 +731,8 @@ After processing a header block whose declared Largest Reference is not zero, the decoder emits a Header Acknowledgement instruction on the decoder stream. The instruction begins with the '1' one-bit pattern and includes the request stream's stream ID, encoded as a 7-bit prefix integer. It is used by the -peer's QPACK encoder to know when it is safe to evict an entry. +peer's QPACK encoder to know when it is safe to evict an entry, and possibly ...and remove the possessive. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

This is an improvement (feel free to defer some of the comments, I got a little carried away).

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +Encoder:
+
+: An implementation which transforms a header list into a header block.
+
+Decoder:
+
+: An implementation which transforms a header block into a header list.
+
+<!-- new definitions -->
+Absolute Index:
+
+: A unique index for each entry in the dynamic table.
+
+Base Index:
+
+: An absolute index in a header block from which relative indices are made

Period.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  
 Like HPACK, QPACK uses two tables for associating header fields to indices.  The
 static table (see {{table-static}}) is predefined and contains common header
 fields (some of them with an empty value).  The dynamic table (see
 {{table-dynamic}}) is built up over the course of the connection and can be used
 by the encoder to index header fields repeated in the encoded header lists.
 
+- The encoder uses a unidirectional stream to modify the state of the dynamic
+table without generating header fields to any particular request.
+
+- HEADERS and PUSH_PROMISE frames on request and push streams reference the
+table state without modifying it.
+
+- The decoder sends feedback to the encoder on a unidirectional stream that
+enables the encoder to manage dynamic table state.
+
+## Encoder
+
+<!-- new -->
+An encoder encodes a header list by emitting either an indexed or a literal
+representation of each header field in the list.  Index references to the static

s/of/for

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +- The encoder uses a unidirectional stream to modify the state of the dynamic
+table without generating header fields to any particular request.
+
+- HEADERS and PUSH_PROMISE frames on request and push streams reference the
+table state without modifying it.
+
+- The decoder sends feedback to the encoder on a unidirectional stream that
+enables the encoder to manage dynamic table state.
+
+## Encoder
+
+<!-- new -->
+An encoder encodes a header list by emitting either an indexed or a literal
+representation of each header field in the list.  Index references to the static
+table and literals do not require any dynamic state and never risk head-of-line
+blocking.  References to the dynamic table do risk head-of-line blocking if the

s/do//

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +
+An encoder MUST ensure that a header block which references a dynamic table
+entry is not received by the decoder after the referenced entry has already been
+evicted.  To enable this, the encoder needs to track outstanding
+(unacknowledged) header blocks that reference the dynamic table.
+
+### Blocked Dynamic Table Insertions {#blocked-insertion}
+
+An encoder MUST NOT insert an entry into the dynamic table (or duplicate an
+existing entry) if doing so would evict an entry with unacknowledged references.
+For header blocks that might rely on the newly added entry, the encoder can use
+a literal representation and maybe insert the entry later.
+
+To ensure that the encoder is not prevented from adding new entries, the encoder
+can avoid referencing entries that will be evicted soonest.  Rather than
+reference such an entry, the encoder SHOULD emit a Duplicate instruction (see

s/SHOULD/can - it's not a normative requiement

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +To ensure that the encoder is not prevented from adding new entries, the encoder
+can avoid referencing entries that will be evicted soonest.  Rather than
+reference such an entry, the encoder SHOULD emit a Duplicate instruction (see
+{{duplicate}}), and reference the duplicate instead.
+
+Determining which entries are too close to eviction to reference is an encoder
+preference.  One heuristic is to target a fixed amount of available space in the
+dynamic table: either unused space or space that can be reclaimed by evicting
+unreferenced entries.  To achieve this, the encoder can maintain a draining
+index, which is the smallest absolute index in the dynamic table that it will
+emit a reference for.  As new entries are inserted, the encoder increases the
+draining index to maintain the section of the table that it will not
+reference.  Draining entries - entries with an absolute index lower than the
+draining index - will not accumulate new references.  The number of
+unacknowledged references to draining entries will eventually become zero,
+making the entry available for eviction.

for the last two sentences, suggest: "If the encoder does not create new references to entries with an absolute index lower than the draining index, the number of unacknowledged references to those entries will eventually become zero, allowing the entry to be evicted." That loses the "draining entries" thing, but I would then change the picture to say "Unreferenceable Entries".

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> + Dropping    Draining Index               Base Index /
+  Point                                   Insertion Point
+~~~~~~~~~~
+{:#fig-draining-index title="Draining Dynamic Table Entries"}
+
+
+### Avoiding Head-of-Line Blocking {#overview-hol-avoidance}
+
+Because QUIC does not guarantee order between data on different streams, a
+header block might reference an entry in the dynamic table that has not yet been
+received.
+
+Each header block contains a Largest Reference {{header-prefix}} which
+identifies the table state necessary for decoding. If the greatest absolute
+index in the dynamic table is less than the value of the Largest Reference, the
+stream is considered "blocked."  While blocked, header field data should remain

s/should/can - though we're hiding a footgun here (maybe a separate discussion)

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +identifies the table state necessary for decoding. If the greatest absolute
+index in the dynamic table is less than the value of the Largest Reference, the
+stream is considered "blocked."  While blocked, header field data should remain
+in the blocked stream's flow control window.  When the Largest Reference is
+zero, the frame contains no references to the dynamic table and can always be
+processed immediately. A stream becomes unblocked when the greatest absolute
+index in the dynamic table becomes greater than or equal to the Largest
+Reference for all header blocks the decoder has started reading from the stream.
+If a decoder encounters a header block where the actual largest reference is not
+equal to the Largest Reference declared in the prefix, it MAY treat this as a
+stream error of type HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED.
+
+A decoder can permit the possibility of blocked streams by setting
+SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS to a non-zero value (see {{configuration}}).
+This setting specifies an upper bound on the number of streams which can be
+blocked.

Single sentence: "The SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS setting (see {{configuration}}) specifies an upper bound on the number..."

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +blocked.
+
+An encoder can decide whether to risk having a stream become blocked. If
+permitted by the value of SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS, compression efficiency
+can be improved by referencing dynamic table entries that are still in transit,
+but if there is loss or reordering the stream can become blocked at the decoder.
+An encoder avoids the risk of blocking by only referencing dynamic table entries
+which have been acknowledged, but this means using literals. Since literals make
+the header block larger, this can result in the encoder becoming blocked on
+congestion or flow control limits.
+
+An encoder MUST limit the number of streams which could become blocked to the
+value of SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS at all times. Note that the decoder
+might not actually become blocked on every stream which risks becoming blocked.
+If the decoder encounters more blocked streams than it promised to support, it
+MUST treat this as a stream error of type HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED.

Move this to the one-sentence paragraph above.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +When blocking references are permitted, the encoder uses acknowledgement of
+header blocks to identify the Largest Known Received index, as described in
+{{header-acknowledgement}}.
+
+To acknowledge dynamic table entries which are not referenced by header blocks,
+for example because the encoder or the decoder have chosen not to risk blocked
+streams, the decoder sends a Table State Synchronize instruction (see
+{{table-state-synchronize}}).
+
+
+### Speculative table updates {#speculative-updates}
+
+Implementations can *speculatively* send instructions on the encoder stream
+which are not needed for any current HTTP request or response.  Such headers
+could be used strategically to improve performance.  For instance, the encoder
+might decide to *refresh* by sending Duplicate representations for popular

I don't think that the emphasis here is going to produce good results.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +Implementations can *speculatively* send instructions on the encoder stream
+which are not needed for any current HTTP request or response.  Such headers
+could be used strategically to improve performance.  For instance, the encoder
+might decide to *refresh* by sending Duplicate representations for popular
+header fields ({{duplicate}}), ensuring they have small indices and hence
+minimal size on the wire.
+
+## Decoder
+
+<!-- new -->
+
+Like in HPACK, the decoder processes header blocks and emits the corresponding
+header lists. It also processes dynamic table modifications from instructions on
+the encoder stream.
+
+A decoder MUST must emit header fields in the order their representations appear

MUST must MuST mUsT

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +
+
+### Speculative table updates {#speculative-updates}
+
+Implementations can *speculatively* send instructions on the encoder stream
+which are not needed for any current HTTP request or response.  Such headers
+could be used strategically to improve performance.  For instance, the encoder
+might decide to *refresh* by sending Duplicate representations for popular
+header fields ({{duplicate}}), ensuring they have small indices and hence
+minimal size on the wire.
+
+## Decoder
+
+<!-- new -->
+
+Like in HPACK, the decoder processes header blocks and emits the corresponding

Maybe make a note here or above that the design of QPACK is such that the encoder takes on all complex tasks, where the decoder is simple.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> -
-# Wire Format
-
-QPACK instructions occur in three locations, each of which uses a separate
-instruction space:
-
- - The encoder stream is a unidirectional stream of type `0x48` (ASCII 'H')
-   which carries table updates from encoder to decoder. Instructions on this
-   stream modify the dynamic table state without generating output to any
-   particular request.
+~~~~~ drawing
+             Base Index
+                 |
+                 V
+    +---+-----+-----+-----+-----+
+    | n | n-1 | n-2 | ... | d+1 |  Absolute Index

This could be clearer, I think.

The 2 here (in n-2) is confusing. What you really want is a diagram that shows the different values in a block.

Largest reference will be the largest value, that's your baseline.
Base offset is taken relative to the largest reference. Here it's 2, which is confusing. We need to show examples of where base allows for post-base references and one where it doesn't.

Including entries that have been evicted in this diagram confuses the matter. It would be better to rely on text or to show that new entries appear on the left and old entries are evicted on the right.

Does this help?

Indexing Overview

    <- Absolute Indices (increase to left)
          L = Largest Reference
          B = Base Reference

       Newer                     Older
    <- Entries                 Entries ->
       Added                   Evicted

Indexing (simple case, B == L):
       ---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---
       ...| L |L-1|L-2|L-3|L-4|L-5|L-6|...
       ---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---
Index:      0   1   2   3   4   5   6  ...

Indexing (B > L):
       ---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---
       ...| B |B-1|...| L |L-1|L-2|L-3|...
       ---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---
Index:      x   x   x   D  D+1 D+2 D+3 ...
            x = invalid index
                        D = B - L

Post-Base Indexing (where B < L)
       ---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---
       ...| L |...|B+2|B+1| B |B-1|B-2|...
       ---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---
Index:                      0   1   2  ...
Post-Base:  P  ...  1   0
            P = L - B - 1

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +## Stream Types
+
+QPACK instructions occur in three locations, each of which uses a separate
+instruction space:
+
+ - The encoder stream is a unidirectional stream of type `0x48` (ASCII 'H')
+   which carries table updates from encoder to decoder.
+
+ - The decoder stream is a unidirectional stream of type `0x68` (ASCII 'h')
+   which carries acknowledgements of table modifications and header processing
+   from decoder to encoder.
+
+ - Finally, the contents of HEADERS and PUSH_PROMISE frames on request streams
+   and push streams reference the QPACK table state.
+
+<!-- s/exactly/no more than/  ? -->

Yeah, let's leave that question for the moment.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -618,6 +715,7 @@ An encoder that receives an Insert Count equal to zero or one that increases
 Largest Known Received beyond what the encoder has sent MUST treat this as a
 connection error of type `HTTP_QPACK_DECODER_STREAM_ERROR`.
 
+<!-- move? -->

Yeah, I think that this belongs in the decoder section.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -633,7 +731,8 @@ After processing a header block whose declared Largest Reference is not zero,
 the decoder emits a Header Acknowledgement instruction on the decoder stream.
 The instruction begins with the '1' one-bit pattern and includes the request
 stream's stream ID, encoded as a 7-bit prefix integer.  It is used by the
-peer's QPACK encoder to know when it is safe to evict an entry.
+peer's QPACK encoder to know when it is safe to evict an entry, and possibly

s/QPACK// ?

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -633,7 +731,8 @@ After processing a header block whose declared Largest Reference is not zero,
 the decoder emits a Header Acknowledgement instruction on the decoder stream.
 The instruction begins with the '1' one-bit pattern and includes the request
 stream's stream ID, encoded as a 7-bit prefix integer.  It is used by the
-peer's QPACK encoder to know when it is safe to evict an entry.
+peer's QPACK encoder to know when it is safe to evict an entry, and possibly

...and remove the possessive.

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> The STREAM_ID_BLOCKED frame has the Stream ID field which is
>
> A variable-length integer indicating the highest stream ID that the = sender
> was permitted to open.
>
> This encoding doesn't allow to convey that the peer (in this cas= e, this is
> always the client) would like to open stream 0, but the server didn&= #39;t allow
> any bidirectional stream in the transport parameters (i.e. sent a 0 = for
> initial_max_stream_data_bidi_remote).
>
> The easy fix for this is to send the stream ID of the stream that th= e peer
> was *not* permitted to open due to missing stream flow control credi= t.
>
> This would also have the nice property to make this frame more symme= tric
> with the BLOCKED and STREAM_BLOCKED frames. For example, for STREAM_= BLOCKED
> an offset of 0 means that the peer was *not* allowed to send byte 0 = on
> that stream.
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A Why _a_ name-value pair, but _the_ ordered collection? For comparison [RFC7541](https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7541#section-1.3) has "_an_ ordered collection." > +## Notational Conventions + +Diagrams use the format described in Section 3.1 of {{?RFC2360}}, with the +following additional conventions: + +x (A) +: Indicates that x is A bits long + +x (A+) +: Indicates that x uses the prefixed integer encoding defined in Section 5.1 of + [RFC7541], beginning with an A-bit prefix. + +x ... +: Indicates that x is variable-length and extends to the end of the region. + +# Compression Process Overview Like HPACK, QPACK uses two tables for associating header fields to indices. The static table (see {{table-static}}) is predefined and contains common header fields (some of them with an empty value). The dynamic table (see {{table-dynamic}}) is built up over the course of the connection and can be used by the encoder to index header fields repeated in the encoded header lists. > to index header fields _repeated_ in the encoded header lists A header field does not need to be repeated in order to be indexed and referenced. > Like HPACK, QPACK uses two tables for associating header fields to indices. The static table (see {{table-static}}) is predefined and contains common header fields (some of them with an empty value). The dynamic table (see {{table-dynamic}}) is built up over the course of the connection and can be used by the encoder to index header fields repeated in the encoded header lists. +- The encoder uses a unidirectional stream to modify the state of the dynamic +table without generating header fields to any particular request. What does it mean to generate header fields _to_ a request? > Like HPACK, QPACK uses two tables for associating header fields to indices. The static table (see {{table-static}}) is predefined and contains common header fields (some of them with an empty value). The dynamic table (see {{table-dynamic}}) is built up over the course of the connection and can be used by the encoder to index header fields repeated in the encoded header lists. +- The encoder uses a unidirectional stream to modify the state of the dynamic +table without generating header fields to any particular request. + +- HEADERS and PUSH_PROMISE frames on request and push streams reference the +table state without modifying it. + +- The decoder sends feedback to the encoder on a unidirectional stream that +enables the encoder to manage dynamic table state. Which enables the encoder to manage state: decoder feedback or the unidirectional stream? > Like HPACK, QPACK uses two tables for associating header fields to indices. The static table (see {{table-static}}) is predefined and contains common header fields (some of them with an empty value). The dynamic table (see {{table-dynamic}}) is built up over the course of the connection and can be used by the encoder to index header fields repeated in the encoded header lists. +- The encoder uses a unidirectional stream to modify the state of the dynamic +table without generating header fields to any particular request. + +- HEADERS and PUSH_PROMISE frames on request and push streams reference the +table state without modifying it. + +- The decoder sends feedback to the encoder on a unidirectional stream that +enables the encoder to manage dynamic table state. + +## Encoder + + +An encoder encodes a header list by emitting either an indexed or a literal > An encoder _encodes_ ... A better wording could probably be found. For example: - An encoder compresses a header list... ; or - An encoder creates a compressed representation of a header list. > +- The encoder uses a unidirectional stream to modify the state of the dynamic +table without generating header fields to any particular request. + +- HEADERS and PUSH_PROMISE frames on request and push streams reference the +table state without modifying it. + +- The decoder sends feedback to the encoder on a unidirectional stream that +enables the encoder to manage dynamic table state. + +## Encoder + + +An encoder encodes a header list by emitting either an indexed or a literal +representation of each header field in the list. Index references to the static +table and literals do not require any dynamic state and never risk head-of-line +blocking. References to the dynamic table do risk head-of-line blocking if the In the previous sentences we have "_index_ references to the static table," but here we have simply "references to the dynamic table." We can drop the "index" to have "references to the static table." > Like HPACK, QPACK uses two tables for associating header fields to indices. The static table (see {{table-static}}) is predefined and contains common header fields (some of them with an empty value). The dynamic table (see {{table-dynamic}}) is built up over the course of the connection and can be used by the encoder to index header fields repeated in the encoded header lists. +- The encoder uses a unidirectional stream to modify the state of the dynamic +table without generating header fields to any particular request. + +- HEADERS and PUSH_PROMISE frames on request and push streams reference the +table state without modifying it. + +- The decoder sends feedback to the encoder on a unidirectional stream that +enables the encoder to manage dynamic table state. + +## Encoder + + +An encoder encodes a header list by emitting either an indexed or a literal +representation of each header field in the list. Index references to the static +table and literals do not require any dynamic state and never risk head-of-line Does "literals" here mean "literal values" or "index references to ... literals?" If it is the former, I suggest rephrasing this to > Literal values and references to the static table ... to avoid ambiguity. > + +QPACK preserves the ordering of header fields within each header list. An +encoder MUST emit header field representations in the order they appear in the +input header list. + +### Reference Tracking + +An encoder MUST ensure that a header block which references a dynamic table +entry is not received by the decoder after the referenced entry has already been +evicted. To enable this, the encoder needs to track outstanding +(unacknowledged) header blocks that reference the dynamic table. + +### Blocked Dynamic Table Insertions {#blocked-insertion} + +An encoder MUST NOT insert an entry into the dynamic table (or duplicate an +existing entry) if doing so would evict an entry with unacknowledged references. Consider simplifying this to > An encoder MUST NOT evict an entry with unacknowledged references. This is shorter and clearer. Also, changing table size can also evict an entry. > +### Reference Tracking + +An encoder MUST ensure that a header block which references a dynamic table +entry is not received by the decoder after the referenced entry has already been +evicted. To enable this, the encoder needs to track outstanding +(unacknowledged) header blocks that reference the dynamic table. + +### Blocked Dynamic Table Insertions {#blocked-insertion} + +An encoder MUST NOT insert an entry into the dynamic table (or duplicate an +existing entry) if doing so would evict an entry with unacknowledged references. +For header blocks that might rely on the newly added entry, the encoder can use +a literal representation and maybe insert the entry later. + +To ensure that the encoder is not prevented from adding new entries, the encoder +can avoid referencing entries that will be evicted soonest. Rather than Only one entry can be evicted _soonest_. I'd drop the "soonest" in favor of "entries that are close to being evicted" or the like. > +For header blocks that might rely on the newly added entry, the encoder can use +a literal representation and maybe insert the entry later. + +To ensure that the encoder is not prevented from adding new entries, the encoder +can avoid referencing entries that will be evicted soonest. Rather than +reference such an entry, the encoder SHOULD emit a Duplicate instruction (see +{{duplicate}}), and reference the duplicate instead. + +Determining which entries are too close to eviction to reference is an encoder +preference. One heuristic is to target a fixed amount of available space in the +dynamic table: either unused space or space that can be reclaimed by evicting +unreferenced entries. To achieve this, the encoder can maintain a draining +index, which is the smallest absolute index in the dynamic table that it will +emit a reference for. As new entries are inserted, the encoder increases the +draining index to maintain the section of the table that it will not +reference. Draining entries - entries with an absolute index lower than the Use two dashes for the long dash. > +To ensure that the encoder is not prevented from adding new entries, the encoder +can avoid referencing entries that will be evicted soonest. Rather than +reference such an entry, the encoder SHOULD emit a Duplicate instruction (see +{{duplicate}}), and reference the duplicate instead. + +Determining which entries are too close to eviction to reference is an encoder +preference. One heuristic is to target a fixed amount of available space in the +dynamic table: either unused space or space that can be reclaimed by evicting +unreferenced entries. To achieve this, the encoder can maintain a draining +index, which is the smallest absolute index in the dynamic table that it will +emit a reference for. As new entries are inserted, the encoder increases the +draining index to maintain the section of the table that it will not +reference. Draining entries - entries with an absolute index lower than the +draining index - will not accumulate new references. The number of +unacknowledged references to draining entries will eventually become zero, +making the entry available for eviction. Number agreement: "draining entries" vs "the entry." > +congestion or flow control limits. + +An encoder MUST limit the number of streams which could become blocked to the +value of SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS at all times. Note that the decoder +might not actually become blocked on every stream which risks becoming blocked. +If the decoder encounters more blocked streams than it promised to support, it +MUST treat this as a stream error of type HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED. + +### Largest Known Received + +For the encoder to identify which dynamic table entries can be safely used +without a stream becoming blocked, the encoder tracks the absolute index of the +decoder's Largest Known Received entry. + +When blocking references are permitted, the encoder uses acknowledgement of +header blocks to identify the Largest Known Received index, as described in s/acknowledgement of header blocks/header block acknowledgements/ > +Implementations can *speculatively* send instructions on the encoder stream +which are not needed for any current HTTP request or response. Such headers +could be used strategically to improve performance. For instance, the encoder +might decide to *refresh* by sending Duplicate representations for popular +header fields ({{duplicate}}), ensuring they have small indices and hence +minimal size on the wire. + +## Decoder + + + +Like in HPACK, the decoder processes header blocks and emits the corresponding +header lists. It also processes dynamic table modifications from instructions on +the encoder stream. + +A decoder MUST must emit header fields in the order their representations appear Why _a_ decoder here, but _the_ decoder in the previous paragraph? The draft uses both "a decoder" and "the decoder;" I cannot detect a method to it. > @@ -123,6 +342,10 @@ addressed. The static table consists of a predefined static list of header fields, each of which has a fixed index over time. Its entries are defined in {{static-table}}. + +Note the QPACK static table is indexed from 0, whereas the HPACK static table +was indexed from 1. 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@dtikhonov requested changes on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  
-# Header Tables
+The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD",
+"SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "NOT RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this
+document are to be interpreted as described in BCP 14 {{!RFC2119}} {{!RFC8174}}
+when, and only when, they appear in all capitals, as shown here.
+
+Definitions of terms that are used in this document:
+
+Header field:
+
+: A name-value pair sent as part of an HTTP message.
+
+Header list:
+
+: The ordered collection of header fields associated with an HTTP message.  A

Why a name-value pair, but the ordered collection? For comparison RFC7541 has "an ordered collection."

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +## Notational Conventions
+
+Diagrams use the format described in Section 3.1 of {{?RFC2360}}, with the
+following additional conventions:
+
+x (A)
+: Indicates that x is A bits long
+
+x (A+)
+: Indicates that x uses the prefixed integer encoding defined in Section 5.1 of
+  [RFC7541], beginning with an A-bit prefix.
+
+x ...
+: Indicates that x is variable-length and extends to the end of the region.
+
+# Compression Process Overview
 
 Like HPACK, QPACK uses two tables for associating header fields to indices.  The
 static table (see {{table-static}}) is predefined and contains common header
 fields (some of them with an empty value).  The dynamic table (see
 {{table-dynamic}}) is built up over the course of the connection and can be used
 by the encoder to index header fields repeated in the encoded header lists.

to index header fields repeated in the encoded header lists

A header field does not need to be repeated in order to be indexed and referenced.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  
 Like HPACK, QPACK uses two tables for associating header fields to indices.  The
 static table (see {{table-static}}) is predefined and contains common header
 fields (some of them with an empty value).  The dynamic table (see
 {{table-dynamic}}) is built up over the course of the connection and can be used
 by the encoder to index header fields repeated in the encoded header lists.
 
+- The encoder uses a unidirectional stream to modify the state of the dynamic
+table without generating header fields to any particular request.

What does it mean to generate header fields to a request?

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  
 Like HPACK, QPACK uses two tables for associating header fields to indices.  The
 static table (see {{table-static}}) is predefined and contains common header
 fields (some of them with an empty value).  The dynamic table (see
 {{table-dynamic}}) is built up over the course of the connection and can be used
 by the encoder to index header fields repeated in the encoded header lists.
 
+- The encoder uses a unidirectional stream to modify the state of the dynamic
+table without generating header fields to any particular request.
+
+- HEADERS and PUSH_PROMISE frames on request and push streams reference the
+table state without modifying it.
+
+- The decoder sends feedback to the encoder on a unidirectional stream that
+enables the encoder to manage dynamic table state.

Which enables the encoder to manage state: decoder feedback or the unidirectional stream?

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  
 Like HPACK, QPACK uses two tables for associating header fields to indices.  The
 static table (see {{table-static}}) is predefined and contains common header
 fields (some of them with an empty value).  The dynamic table (see
 {{table-dynamic}}) is built up over the course of the connection and can be used
 by the encoder to index header fields repeated in the encoded header lists.
 
+- The encoder uses a unidirectional stream to modify the state of the dynamic
+table without generating header fields to any particular request.
+
+- HEADERS and PUSH_PROMISE frames on request and push streams reference the
+table state without modifying it.
+
+- The decoder sends feedback to the encoder on a unidirectional stream that
+enables the encoder to manage dynamic table state.
+
+## Encoder
+
+<!-- new -->
+An encoder encodes a header list by emitting either an indexed or a literal

An encoder encodes ...

A better wording could probably be found. For example:

  • An encoder compresses a header list... ; or
  • An encoder creates a compressed representation of a header list.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +- The encoder uses a unidirectional stream to modify the state of the dynamic
+table without generating header fields to any particular request.
+
+- HEADERS and PUSH_PROMISE frames on request and push streams reference the
+table state without modifying it.
+
+- The decoder sends feedback to the encoder on a unidirectional stream that
+enables the encoder to manage dynamic table state.
+
+## Encoder
+
+<!-- new -->
+An encoder encodes a header list by emitting either an indexed or a literal
+representation of each header field in the list.  Index references to the static
+table and literals do not require any dynamic state and never risk head-of-line
+blocking.  References to the dynamic table do risk head-of-line blocking if the

In the previous sentences we have "index references to the static table," but here we have simply "references to the dynamic table." We can drop the "index" to have "references to the static table."

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  
 Like HPACK, QPACK uses two tables for associating header fields to indices.  The
 static table (see {{table-static}}) is predefined and contains common header
 fields (some of them with an empty value).  The dynamic table (see
 {{table-dynamic}}) is built up over the course of the connection and can be used
 by the encoder to index header fields repeated in the encoded header lists.
 
+- The encoder uses a unidirectional stream to modify the state of the dynamic
+table without generating header fields to any particular request.
+
+- HEADERS and PUSH_PROMISE frames on request and push streams reference the
+table state without modifying it.
+
+- The decoder sends feedback to the encoder on a unidirectional stream that
+enables the encoder to manage dynamic table state.
+
+## Encoder
+
+<!-- new -->
+An encoder encodes a header list by emitting either an indexed or a literal
+representation of each header field in the list.  Index references to the static
+table and literals do not require any dynamic state and never risk head-of-line

Does "literals" here mean "literal values" or "index references to ... literals?" If it is the former, I suggest rephrasing this to

Literal values and references to the static table ...

to avoid ambiguity.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +
+QPACK preserves the ordering of header fields within each header list.  An
+encoder MUST emit header field representations in the order they appear in the
+input header list.
+
+### Reference Tracking
+
+An encoder MUST ensure that a header block which references a dynamic table
+entry is not received by the decoder after the referenced entry has already been
+evicted.  To enable this, the encoder needs to track outstanding
+(unacknowledged) header blocks that reference the dynamic table.
+
+### Blocked Dynamic Table Insertions {#blocked-insertion}
+
+An encoder MUST NOT insert an entry into the dynamic table (or duplicate an
+existing entry) if doing so would evict an entry with unacknowledged references.

Consider simplifying this to

An encoder MUST NOT evict an entry with unacknowledged references.

This is shorter and clearer. Also, changing table size can also evict an entry.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +### Reference Tracking
+
+An encoder MUST ensure that a header block which references a dynamic table
+entry is not received by the decoder after the referenced entry has already been
+evicted.  To enable this, the encoder needs to track outstanding
+(unacknowledged) header blocks that reference the dynamic table.
+
+### Blocked Dynamic Table Insertions {#blocked-insertion}
+
+An encoder MUST NOT insert an entry into the dynamic table (or duplicate an
+existing entry) if doing so would evict an entry with unacknowledged references.
+For header blocks that might rely on the newly added entry, the encoder can use
+a literal representation and maybe insert the entry later.
+
+To ensure that the encoder is not prevented from adding new entries, the encoder
+can avoid referencing entries that will be evicted soonest.  Rather than

Only one entry can be evicted soonest. I'd drop the "soonest" in favor of "entries that are close to being evicted" or the like.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +For header blocks that might rely on the newly added entry, the encoder can use
+a literal representation and maybe insert the entry later.
+
+To ensure that the encoder is not prevented from adding new entries, the encoder
+can avoid referencing entries that will be evicted soonest.  Rather than
+reference such an entry, the encoder SHOULD emit a Duplicate instruction (see
+{{duplicate}}), and reference the duplicate instead.
+
+Determining which entries are too close to eviction to reference is an encoder
+preference.  One heuristic is to target a fixed amount of available space in the
+dynamic table: either unused space or space that can be reclaimed by evicting
+unreferenced entries.  To achieve this, the encoder can maintain a draining
+index, which is the smallest absolute index in the dynamic table that it will
+emit a reference for.  As new entries are inserted, the encoder increases the
+draining index to maintain the section of the table that it will not
+reference.  Draining entries - entries with an absolute index lower than the

Use two dashes for the long dash.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +To ensure that the encoder is not prevented from adding new entries, the encoder
+can avoid referencing entries that will be evicted soonest.  Rather than
+reference such an entry, the encoder SHOULD emit a Duplicate instruction (see
+{{duplicate}}), and reference the duplicate instead.
+
+Determining which entries are too close to eviction to reference is an encoder
+preference.  One heuristic is to target a fixed amount of available space in the
+dynamic table: either unused space or space that can be reclaimed by evicting
+unreferenced entries.  To achieve this, the encoder can maintain a draining
+index, which is the smallest absolute index in the dynamic table that it will
+emit a reference for.  As new entries are inserted, the encoder increases the
+draining index to maintain the section of the table that it will not
+reference.  Draining entries - entries with an absolute index lower than the
+draining index - will not accumulate new references.  The number of
+unacknowledged references to draining entries will eventually become zero,
+making the entry available for eviction.

Number agreement: "draining entries" vs "the entry."

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +congestion or flow control limits.
+
+An encoder MUST limit the number of streams which could become blocked to the
+value of SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS at all times. Note that the decoder
+might not actually become blocked on every stream which risks becoming blocked.
+If the decoder encounters more blocked streams than it promised to support, it
+MUST treat this as a stream error of type HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED.
+
+### Largest Known Received
+
+For the encoder to identify which dynamic table entries can be safely used
+without a stream becoming blocked, the encoder tracks the absolute index of the
+decoder's Largest Known Received entry.
+
+When blocking references are permitted, the encoder uses acknowledgement of
+header blocks to identify the Largest Known Received index, as described in

s/acknowledgement of header blocks/header block acknowledgements/

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +Implementations can *speculatively* send instructions on the encoder stream
+which are not needed for any current HTTP request or response.  Such headers
+could be used strategically to improve performance.  For instance, the encoder
+might decide to *refresh* by sending Duplicate representations for popular
+header fields ({{duplicate}}), ensuring they have small indices and hence
+minimal size on the wire.
+
+## Decoder
+
+<!-- new -->
+
+Like in HPACK, the decoder processes header blocks and emits the corresponding
+header lists. It also processes dynamic table modifications from instructions on
+the encoder stream.
+
+A decoder MUST must emit header fields in the order their representations appear

Why a decoder here, but the decoder in the previous paragraph? The draft uses both "a decoder" and "the decoder;" I cannot detect a method to it.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -123,6 +342,10 @@ addressed.
 The static table consists of a predefined static list of header fields, each of
 which has a fixed index over time.  Its entries are defined in {{static-table}}.
 
+<!--new -->
+Note the QPACK static table is indexed from 0, whereas the HPACK static table
+was indexed from 1.

Use present tense: HPACK static table is indexed.

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----==_mimepart_5bbff512ec687_8713fb0b0cd45c414973e-- From nobody Thu Oct 11 20:48:54 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B37ED130DDD for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 20:48:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k4i4u14v_Wqx for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 20:48:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-13.smtp.github.com (out-13.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E2C7D12F295 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 20:48:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 20:48:50 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539316130; bh=cc4Wh/wKTLge82FTRarZ8Xwv4Q6vDKWHq9dvLmhPAnU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=idFq3MYBpGSBs6OVzwNUlzqPjj+G+meh34hnd/aOBi91j7LMK5WToGpGr6x9ob46s rKmj9o2Jf4dYvwP1ghxt1CwV2i5R+kOZ+pCliCRffCOZFaJHOXoSZ3l0rSHxDzQCA/ 6tt1IyI+RWO3MRGiK1vU1Be6iXhQKR3Zc4Wg0bAE= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Does GOAWAY really need a stream number? (#1853) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bc019a29baa_a083fb7ae0d45bc41353"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2018 03:48:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bc019a29baa_a083fb7ae0d45bc41353 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @MikeBishop > We already advise that, if the server has advance notice that a _CLOSE will be necessary. Thank you. I now see that it is stated in section 5.2. @afrind > It seems a bit silly to have the client wait for the server cancellation of the request to decide if it can be retried, when the GOAWAY could have contained that information. That's true, but I might argue that we have such case already. Due to packet loss, a server that sends GOAWAY with stream ID X might not have seen stream X - 4. In such case, a client needs to retransmit stream X - 4 until it receives cancellation from server. My understanding is that in the most typical case a server will send GOAWAY to stop the client initiating new streams, then close the connection when all the requests have been served. In such case, stream ID field in GOAWAY is useless. The issue is about a case where servers want to terminate a connection somewhat urgently but not urgent enough to send APPLICATION_CLOSE, which is IMO would be somewhat rare, and I do not mind having some inefficiency for the sake of simplicity here. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1853#issuecomment-429195539 ----==_mimepart_5bc019a29baa_a083fb7ae0d45bc41353 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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We already advise that, if the server has advance notice that a _CLOSE= will be necessary.

Thank you. I now see that it is stated in section 5.2.

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It seems a bit silly to have the client wait for the server cancellati= on of the request to decide if it can be retried, when the GOAWAY could h= ave contained that information.

That's true, but I might argue that we have such case already. Due to = packet loss, a server that sends GOAWAY with stream ID X might not have s= een stream X - 4. In such case, a client needs to retransmit stream X - 4= until it receives cancellation from server.

My understanding is that in the most typical case a server will send G= OAWAY to stop the client initiating new streams, then close the connectio= n when all the requests have been served. In such case, stream ID field i= n GOAWAY is useless. The issue is about a case where servers want to term= inate a connection somewhat urgently but not urgent enough to send APPLIC= ATION_CLOSE, which is IMO would be somewhat rare, and I do not mind havin= g some inefficiency for the sake of simplicity here.

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Or we could finally decide that 0 is not a stream. 0 was invented for a reason.

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Or we could finally decide that 0 is not a stream. 0 was invented for a = reason.

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+1 to 0 not being a stream from my perspective.

That being said, my understanding was that the question of 0 being a v= alid stream id(or 0 being a valid packet number) had clear lack of consen= sus, with about half the group wanting 0 to be valid and the other wantin= g to start at 1.

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I agree that 0 should not be a stream, and that 0 should not be a pack= et number. It's really useful to have a sentinel value.
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= ----==_mimepart_5bc0944d42b0e_55a53f96e98d45b8390310-- From nobody Fri Oct 12 05:42:33 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 501AF130E1D for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 05:42:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.456 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.456 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JDpEOiVME2hI for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 05:42:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-11.smtp.github.com (out-11.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA89B1277CC for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 05:42:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2018 05:42:27 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539348148; bh=t7iyRIKTQyGWHwamCK1PM2xlOTfRUFT0QONCJyJP57s=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=yzCqNKbLbH3Q45Mfk1zUqbHOOj0OKibz1So3iX+DCjhb/HKw0GDm0d/1LiUfkg0Ma H5wJ3EoNDKKBIQdWSwDyf7UPGZh1cxsK9z2E/l7xqnQg7vlTqM4VAphZM8i139lzYp dW34fN1SwziWHLrRMFHBfv2ooyFCB+V1NcHu1GjY= From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] STREAM_ID_BLOCKED frame can't encode being blocked on stream 0 (#1850) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bc096b3e2b36_4a673fb86acd45bc600471"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2018 12:42:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bc096b3e2b36_4a673fb86acd45bc600471 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am with you about 0 being an invalid number for stream and packet numbers, @ianswett and @marten-seemann, and I also stated this on the mailing list. The (unofficial?) consensus seems to be 0, however. Should we be re-arguing the same issues over and over again? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1850#issuecomment-429312252 ----==_mimepart_5bc096b3e2b36_4a673fb86acd45bc600471 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I am with you about 0 being an invalid number for stream and packet numbers, @ianswett and @marten-seemann, and I also stated this on the mailing list. The (unofficial?) consensus seems to be 0, however. Should we be re-arguing the same issues over and over again?

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The complication is that streams are module 4, so if 0 is invalid, so should stream 1, 2, and 3.

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I am with you about 0 being an invalid number for stream and packet nu= mbers, @ianswett and @marten-seemann, and I = also stated this on the mailing list. The (unofficial?) consensus seems t= o be 0, however. Should we be re-arguing the same issues over and over ag= ain?

I don't think we ever even came close to establishing consensus on thi= s issue, we just had some discussions during a coffee break at one of the= interims.

The complication is that streams are module 4, so if 0 is invalid, so = should stream 1, 2, and 3.

The stream directionality is defined mod 4. Starting at 1 is equally a= rbitrary as starting at 0.

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lost_packet in this line in OnRetransmissionTimeoutVerified should IMO be sent_packet:

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  • 5be7761 Headers and message formatting fixups
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  • d9ae519 Tighten some redundancies
  • c353495 Explicitly mention error upgrades
  • f23e01b Generalize varint text in Security Considerations
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The transport spec says in section "6.6.1. Transport Parameter Definitions" that "A server MUST include the original_connection_id transport parameter if it sent a Retry packet". It does not say what is the expected behavior if the server did not send a retry packet. There are two possible interpretations:

  1. The client MUST ignore the original_connection_id parameter if it did not receive a retry packet; or,

  2. The client MAY send terminate the connection with a TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR if it receive this parameter but did not receive a retry packet.

What would be the preferred behavior?

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----==_mimepart_5bc0e4d3d19ed_4bc13fe2c98d45b41758d4-- From nobody Fri Oct 12 11:39:38 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8913130E74 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 11:39:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.456 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.456 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XWZebSUtlvln for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 11:39:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 35641130E73 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 11:39:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2018 11:39:32 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539369572; bh=cZsICVO2NEPPOR2tz9oAkrnw1L/4hZCHTERh66n7YYs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=tOAm0SffeF4iCjFE8NlkezY8P2vGPvwn06Cg2GBZme0Lvj5y/m5j2X1eICSOp7qZS 281B6EMmi00mbytSsEJajiunRMLSizdG5Jul+a+OALvjt9dC4RtMpcU43DT6W1ZewI nFcxMyP3Ft7KJaRsEFD1sx2fr/iMqHB3W7OSIzxE= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] STREAM_ID_BLOCKED frame can't encode being blocked on stream 0 (#1850) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bc0ea641bb7d_3cc73f9d1e2d45c416319c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2018 18:39:37 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bc0ea641bb7d_3cc73f9d1e2d45c416319c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I disagree to making 0 "special", because I care about having consistency in design. I do not care what is "natural." Packet numbers, Stream IDs, stream offsets, MAX_DATA offset, all those things currently start from zero. Why do we need to start some of them from one? Doing so would be an unnecessary complexity. As @marten-seemann points out, the issue here is MAX_STREAM_ID frame not following the design pattern we use for transmitting blocked state that we have for offsets. The fix should be to follow the pattern. > I agree that 0 should not be a stream, and that 0 should not be a packet number. It's really useful to have a sentinel value. I understand that sentinel is useful. But it does not need to be zero. Because the "integers" we use in QUIC is uint62_t, you can use `int64_t` to represent the value internally, with -1 being the sentinel below and 262 being the one above. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1850#issuecomment-429420829 ----==_mimepart_5bc0ea641bb7d_3cc73f9d1e2d45c416319c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I disagree to making 0 "special", because I care about having consiste= ncy in design. I do not care what is "natural."

Packet numbers, Stream IDs, stream offsets, MAX_DATA offset, all those= things currently start from zero. Why do we need to start some of them f= rom one? Doing so would be an unnecessary complexity.

As @marten-seemann points out, the issue here is MAX_= STREAM_ID frame not following the design pattern we use for transmitting = blocked state that we have for offsets. The fix should be to follow the p= attern.

I agree that 0 should not be a stream, and that 0 should not be a pack= et number. It's really useful to have a sentinel value.

I understand that sentinel is useful. But it does not need to be zero.= Because the "integers" we use in QUIC is uint62_t, you can use int= 64_t to represent the value internally, with -1 being the sentinel= below and 262 being the one above.

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I also disagree that 0 should be special. I feel like we've definitely had this discussion more than twice...

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Transcribing

  LargestReference mod 2*MaxEntries + 1

to C one of its offspring without parentheses around 2 * MaxEntries
will produce an incorrect result.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1856

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  • Parenthesize 2 * MaxEntries to prevent naive errors

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Or a third way, which is my preferred way: the client MUST terminate the connection with a TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR if it receive this parameter but did not receive a retry packet.

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I suggest that we stick with @marten-seemann's original proposal for now, since it's a simple consistency fix. It also has the very useful property of not opening a can of worms.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -980,8 +716,8 @@ server to client, as in HTTP/2.
 The payload consists of:
 
 Push ID:
-: A variable-length integer that identifies the server push request.  A push ID
-  is used in push stream header ({{server-push}}), CANCEL_PUSH frames
+: A variable-length integer that identifies the server push operation.  A push

s/push/Push

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> Section 4.4 says:

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Ted


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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +: The compressed representation of a header list.
+
+Encoder:
+
+: An implementation which transforms a header list into a header block.
+
+Decoder:
+
+: An implementation which transforms a header block into a header list.
+
+<!-- new definitions -->
+Absolute Index:
+
+: A unique index for each entry in the dynamic table.
+
+Base Index:

If we list the Base Index here, we should also have the Largest Reference.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +   +----------+---------------------------------+--------+
+   ^          ^                                 ^
+   |          |                                 |
+ Dropping    Draining Index               Base Index /
+  Point                                   Insertion Point
+~~~~~~~~~~
+{:#fig-draining-index title="Draining Dynamic Table Entries"}
+
+
+### Avoiding Head-of-Line Blocking {#overview-hol-avoidance}
+
+Because QUIC does not guarantee order between data on different streams, a
+header block might reference an entry in the dynamic table that has not yet been
+received.
+
+Each header block contains a Largest Reference {{header-prefix}} which

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Comments so far; I find myself adding +1s to a lot of existing comments. = :-) > +: An implementation which transforms a header list into a header block= . + +Decoder: + +: An implementation which transforms a header block into a header list. + + +Absolute Index: + +: A unique index for each entry in the dynamic table. + +Base Index: + +: An absolute index in a header block from which relative indices are ma= de + +QPACK is a name, not an acronym. =F0=9F=A4=A3 > = Like HPACK, QPACK uses two tables for associating header fields to indic= es. The static table (see {{table-static}}) is predefined and contains common he= ader fields (some of them with an empty value). The dynamic table (see {{table-dynamic}}) is built up over the course of the connection and can= be used by the encoder to index header fields repeated in the encoded header lis= ts. = +- The encoder uses a unidirectional stream to modify the state of the dy= namic +table without generating header fields to any particular request. Perhaps "without emitting header fields associated with any particular re= quest"? > = Like HPACK, QPACK uses two tables for associating header fields to indic= es. The static table (see {{table-static}}) is predefined and contains common he= ader fields (some of them with an empty value). The dynamic table (see {{table-dynamic}}) is built up over the course of the connection and can= be used by the encoder to index header fields repeated in the encoded header lis= ts. = +- The encoder uses a unidirectional stream to modify the state of the dy= namic This bulleted list feels like it comes out of nowhere. Perhaps this coul= d be turned into something more narrative, or at least introduced? > = Like HPACK, QPACK uses two tables for associating header fields to indic= es. The static table (see {{table-static}}) is predefined and contains common he= ader fields (some of them with an empty value). The dynamic table (see {{table-dynamic}}) is built up over the course of the connection and can= be used by the encoder to index header fields repeated in the encoded header lis= ts. = +- The encoder uses a unidirectional stream to modify the state of the dy= namic +table without generating header fields to any particular request. + +- HEADERS and PUSH_PROMISE frames on request and push streams reference = the +table state without modifying it. + +- The decoder sends feedback to the encoder on a unidirectional stream t= hat +enables the encoder to manage dynamic table state. + +## Encoder + + +An encoder encodes a header list by emitting either an indexed or a lite= ral +representation of each header field in the list. Index references to th= e static I'm okay with the existing wording; these are representations of the head= ers. But emitting one for one is also a valid way to construct it. > +zero, the frame contains no references to the dynamic table and can al= ways be +processed immediately. A stream becomes unblocked when the greatest abso= lute +index in the dynamic table becomes greater than or equal to the Largest +Reference for all header blocks the decoder has started reading from the= stream. +If a decoder encounters a header block where the actual largest referenc= e is not +equal to the Largest Reference declared in the prefix, it MAY treat this= as a +stream error of type HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED. + +A decoder can permit the possibility of blocked streams by setting +SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS to a non-zero value (see {{configuration}= }). +This setting specifies an upper bound on the number of streams which can= be +blocked. + +An encoder can decide whether to risk having a stream become blocked. If= +permitted by the value of SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS, compression ef= ficiency +can be improved by referencing dynamic table entries that are still in t= ransit, Given that this doesn't always result in an improvement, perhaps "can oft= en" or "can sometimes"? > +Reference for all header blocks the decoder has started reading from t= he stream. +If a decoder encounters a header block where the actual largest referenc= e is not +equal to the Largest Reference declared in the prefix, it MAY treat this= as a +stream error of type HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED. + +A decoder can permit the possibility of blocked streams by setting +SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS to a non-zero value (see {{configuration}= }). +This setting specifies an upper bound on the number of streams which can= be +blocked. + +An encoder can decide whether to risk having a stream become blocked. If= +permitted by the value of SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS, compression ef= ficiency +can be improved by referencing dynamic table entries that are still in t= ransit, +but if there is loss or reordering the stream can become blocked at the = decoder. +An encoder avoids the risk of blocking by only referencing dynamic table= entries +which have been acknowledged, but this means using literals. Since liter= als make Similarly, "this could mean" > +can be improved by referencing dynamic table entries that are still in= transit, +but if there is loss or reordering the stream can become blocked at the = decoder. +An encoder avoids the risk of blocking by only referencing dynamic table= entries +which have been acknowledged, but this means using literals. Since liter= als make +the header block larger, this can result in the encoder becoming blocked= on +congestion or flow control limits. + +An encoder MUST limit the number of streams which could become blocked t= o the +value of SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS at all times. Note that the deco= der +might not actually become blocked on every stream which risks becoming b= locked. +If the decoder encounters more blocked streams than it promised to suppo= rt, it +MUST treat this as a stream error of type HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILE= D. + +### Largest Known Received + +For the encoder to identify which dynamic table entries can be safely us= ed "In order to identify...." > + +For the encoder to identify which dynamic table entries can be safely us= ed +without a stream becoming blocked, the encoder tracks the absolute index= of the +decoder's Largest Known Received entry. + +When blocking references are permitted, the encoder uses acknowledgement= of +header blocks to identify the Largest Known Received index, as described= in +{{header-acknowledgement}}. + +To acknowledge dynamic table entries which are not referenced by header = blocks, +for example because the encoder or the decoder have chosen not to risk b= locked +streams, the decoder sends a Table State Synchronize instruction (see +{{table-state-synchronize}}). + + +### Speculative table updates {#speculative-updates} I feel like this section doesn't qualify to be a separate section. This = is inherent in the fact that table updates and encoding a header set are = separable operations. I'd perhaps condense this to a single sentence and= mention it in 2.1?=0D =0D > Updates to the dynamic table can be performed independent of any partic= ular header set being compressed. Encoders MAY insert entries speculativ= ely.=0D =0D Title needs to be capitalized if retained. > + + +### Speculative table updates {#speculative-updates} + +Implementations can *speculatively* send instructions on the encoder str= eam +which are not needed for any current HTTP request or response. Such hea= ders +could be used strategically to improve performance. For instance, the e= ncoder +might decide to *refresh* by sending Duplicate representations for popul= ar +header fields ({{duplicate}}), ensuring they have small indices and henc= e +minimal size on the wire. + +## Decoder + + + +Like in HPACK, the decoder processes header blocks and emits the corresp= onding More colloquial than I'd choose; "As in HPACK..."? > +A decoder MUST must emit header fields in the order their representati= ons appear +in the input header block. + + +### State Synchronization + +The decoder stream ({{decoder-stream}}) signals key events at the decode= r that +permit the encoder to track the decoder's state. These events are: + +- Complete processing of a header block +- Abandonment of a stream which might have remaining header blocks +- Receipt of new dynamic table entries + +Regardless of whether a header block contained blocking references, the +knowledge that it has been processed permits the encoder to evict +entries to which no unacknowledged references remain; see {{blocked-inse= rtion}}. Now that we only acknowledge blocks with dynamic references, perhaps this= should read "Knowledge that a header block which contains references to = the dynamic table has been processed permits [...], regardless of whether= those references were potentially blocking." -- = You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1852#pullrequestreview-1643742= 42= ----==_mimepart_5bc13106221f_4073fbb70cd45b8372165 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@MikeBishop commented on this pull request.

Comments so far; I find myself adding +1s to a lot of existing comment= s. :-)

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +: An implementation which transforms a he=
ader list into a header block.
+
+Decoder:
+
+: An implementation which transforms a header block into a header list.
+
+<!-- new definitions -->
+Absolute Index:
+
+: A unique index for each entry in the dynamic table.
+
+Base Index:
+
+: An absolute index in a header block from which relative indices are ma=
de
+
+QPACK is a name, not an acronym.

=F0=9F=A4=A3

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  =

 Like HPACK, QPACK uses two tables for associating header fields to indic=
es.  The
 static table (see {{table-static}}) is predefined and contains common he=
ader
 fields (some of them with an empty value).  The dynamic table (see
 {{table-dynamic}}) is built up over the course of the connection and can=
 be used
 by the encoder to index header fields repeated in the encoded header lis=
ts.
 =

+- The encoder uses a unidirectional stream to modify the state of the dy=
namic
+table without generating header fields to any particular request.

Perhaps "without emitting header fields associated with any particular= request"?

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  =

 Like HPACK, QPACK uses two tables for associating header fields to indic=
es.  The
 static table (see {{table-static}}) is predefined and contains common he=
ader
 fields (some of them with an empty value).  The dynamic table (see
 {{table-dynamic}}) is built up over the course of the connection and can=
 be used
 by the encoder to index header fields repeated in the encoded header lis=
ts.
 =

+- The encoder uses a unidirectional stream to modify the state of the dy=
namic

This bulleted list feels like it comes out of nowhere. Perhaps this c= ould be turned into something more narrative, or at least introduced?

=

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  =

 Like HPACK, QPACK uses two tables for associating header fields to indic=
es.  The
 static table (see {{table-static}}) is predefined and contains common he=
ader
 fields (some of them with an empty value).  The dynamic table (see
 {{table-dynamic}}) is built up over the course of the connection and can=
 be used
 by the encoder to index header fields repeated in the encoded header lis=
ts.
 =

+- The encoder uses a unidirectional stream to modify the state of the dy=
namic
+table without generating header fields to any particular request.
+
+- HEADERS and PUSH_PROMISE frames on request and push streams reference =
the
+table state without modifying it.
+
+- The decoder sends feedback to the encoder on a unidirectional stream t=
hat
+enables the encoder to manage dynamic table state.
+
+## Encoder
+
+<!-- new -->
+An encoder encodes a header list by emitting either an indexed or a lite=
ral
+representation of each header field in the list.  Index references to th=
e static

I'm okay with the existing wording; these are representations of the h= eaders. But emitting one for one is also a valid way to construct it.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +zero, the frame contains no references to=
 the dynamic table and can always be
+processed immediately. A stream becomes unblocked when the greatest abso=
lute
+index in the dynamic table becomes greater than or equal to the Largest
+Reference for all header blocks the decoder has started reading from the=
 stream.
+If a decoder encounters a header block where the actual largest referenc=
e is not
+equal to the Largest Reference declared in the prefix, it MAY treat this=
 as a
+stream error of type HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED.
+
+A decoder can permit the possibility of blocked streams by setting
+SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS to a non-zero value (see {{configuration}=
}).
+This setting specifies an upper bound on the number of streams which can=
 be
+blocked.
+
+An encoder can decide whether to risk having a stream become blocked. If=

+permitted by the value of SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS, compression ef=
ficiency
+can be improved by referencing dynamic table entries that are still in t=
ransit,

Given that this doesn't always result in an improvement, perhaps "can = often" or "can sometimes"?

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +Reference for all header blocks the decod=
er has started reading from the stream.
+If a decoder encounters a header block where the actual largest referenc=
e is not
+equal to the Largest Reference declared in the prefix, it MAY treat this=
 as a
+stream error of type HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED.
+
+A decoder can permit the possibility of blocked streams by setting
+SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS to a non-zero value (see {{configuration}=
}).
+This setting specifies an upper bound on the number of streams which can=
 be
+blocked.
+
+An encoder can decide whether to risk having a stream become blocked. If=

+permitted by the value of SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS, compression ef=
ficiency
+can be improved by referencing dynamic table entries that are still in t=
ransit,
+but if there is loss or reordering the stream can become blocked at the =
decoder.
+An encoder avoids the risk of blocking by only referencing dynamic table=
 entries
+which have been acknowledged, but this means using literals. Since liter=
als make

Similarly, "this could mean"

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +can be improved by referencing dynamic ta=
ble entries that are still in transit,
+but if there is loss or reordering the stream can become blocked at the =
decoder.
+An encoder avoids the risk of blocking by only referencing dynamic table=
 entries
+which have been acknowledged, but this means using literals. Since liter=
als make
+the header block larger, this can result in the encoder becoming blocked=
 on
+congestion or flow control limits.
+
+An encoder MUST limit the number of streams which could become blocked t=
o the
+value of SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS at all times. Note that the deco=
der
+might not actually become blocked on every stream which risks becoming b=
locked.
+If the decoder encounters more blocked streams than it promised to suppo=
rt, it
+MUST treat this as a stream error of type HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILE=
D.
+
+### Largest Known Received
+
+For the encoder to identify which dynamic table entries can be safely us=
ed

"In order to identify...."

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +
+For the encoder to identify which dynamic table entries can be safely us=
ed
+without a stream becoming blocked, the encoder tracks the absolute index=
 of the
+decoder's Largest Known Received entry.
+
+When blocking references are permitted, the encoder uses acknowledgement=
 of
+header blocks to identify the Largest Known Received index, as described=
 in
+{{header-acknowledgement}}.
+
+To acknowledge dynamic table entries which are not referenced by header =
blocks,
+for example because the encoder or the decoder have chosen not to risk b=
locked
+streams, the decoder sends a Table State Synchronize instruction (see
+{{table-state-synchronize}}).
+
+
+### Speculative table updates {#speculative-updates}

I feel like this section doesn't qualify to be a separate section. Th= is is inherent in the fact that table updates and encoding a header set a= re separable operations. I'd perhaps condense this to a single sentence = and mention it in 2.1?

Updates to the dynamic table can be performed independent of any parti= cular header set being compressed. Encoders MAY insert entries speculati= vely.

Title needs to be capitalized if retained.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +
+
+### Speculative table updates {#speculative-updates}
+
+Implementations can *speculatively* send instructions on the encoder str=
eam
+which are not needed for any current HTTP request or response.  Such hea=
ders
+could be used strategically to improve performance.  For instance, the e=
ncoder
+might decide to *refresh* by sending Duplicate representations for popul=
ar
+header fields ({{duplicate}}), ensuring they have small indices and henc=
e
+minimal size on the wire.
+
+## Decoder
+
+<!-- new -->
+
+Like in HPACK, the decoder processes header blocks and emits the corresp=
onding

More colloquial than I'd choose; "As in HPACK..."?

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +A decoder MUST must emit header fields in=
 the order their representations appear
+in the input header block.
+
+
+### State Synchronization
+
+The decoder stream ({{decoder-stream}}) signals key events at the decode=
r that
+permit the encoder to track the decoder's state.  These events are:
+
+- Complete processing of a header block
+- Abandonment of a stream which might have remaining header blocks
+- Receipt of new dynamic table entries
+
+Regardless of whether a header block contained blocking references, the
+knowledge that it has been processed permits the encoder to evict
+entries to which no unacknowledged references remain; see {{blocked-inse=
rtion}}.

Now that we only acknowledge blocks with dynamic references, perhaps t= his should read "Knowledge that a header block which contains references = to the dynamic table has been processed permits [...], regardless of whet= her those references were potentially blocking."

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Bringing draft up to proposed structure in #411. We'll need to do more moving around of things and adding glue to various places to make sure the text flows freely and correctly, but I believe this PR moves major sections into the right slots (mostly).

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I'm with @afrind here, the purpose of the GOAWAY is to tell t= he client which requests are safe to retry efficiently.

Once you have that in place the rest is bookkeeping. If you want to c= ontinue to send requests on stream X and above, that's something the tran= sport will let you do, but you still won't get a response (and you can st= ill try them safely on another connection).

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -718,15 +718,15 @@ safe to process the rest of the block.  If Largest Reference is greater than
 zero, the encoder transforms it as follows before encoding:
 
 ~~~
-   LargestReference = LargestReference mod 2*MaxEntries + 1
+   LargestReference = LargestReference mod (2*MaxEntries) + 1

Do you mean LR % ((2*ME)+1) or (LR % (2*ME))+1? I think the latter, but I think that it's probably best to double-down on the parentheses here.

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It's just not possible to leave you folks alone for any time, is it? I agree with @janaiyengar.

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The point here is that a client will know whether it responded to a Re= try. The server should also know, because it has a token in the Initial = packet from the server (that it should be able to identify as being from = a Retry packet that it sent).

With that in mind, even if the server receives multiple packets and on= ly sends Retry in response to some of them, the transport parameters that= the server sends will always be sent with very clear knowledge about wha= t is being responded to.

BTW, I thought that I had answered this question:

If the client received and processed a Retry packet, it validates that= the original_connection_id transport parameter is present and correct; o= therwise, it validates that the transport parameter is absent. A client M= UST treat a failed validation as a connection error of type TRANSPORT_PAR= AMETER_ERROR.

-- https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft= -ietf-quic-transport.html#packet-retry

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Currently: > Endpoints SHOULD send a Stateless Reset ({{stateless-reset}}) for any packets that cannot be attributed to an existing connection. I think that we instead want to say: > Endpoints can send a Stateless Reset ({{stateless-reset}}) for any packets that cannot be attributed to an existing connection. A stateless reset allows a peer to more quickly identify when a connection becomes unusable. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1858 ----==_mimepart_5bc41d509c8e5_528d3fba17ad45c427142d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Currently:

Endpoints SHOULD send a Stateless Reset ({{stateless-reset}}) for any packets
that cannot be attributed to an existing connection.

I think that we instead want to say:

Endpoints can send a Stateless Reset ({{stateless-reset}}) for any packets that cannot be attributed to an existing connection. A stateless reset allows a peer to more quickly identify when a connection becomes unusable.

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----==_mimepart_5bc41d509c8e5_528d3fba17ad45c427142d-- From nobody Mon Oct 15 01:48:50 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DB54130E14 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2018 01:48:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.351 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.351 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.351, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zYP_uUlStChx for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2018 01:48:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3C5E130E0E for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2018 01:48:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 01:48:18 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539593321; bh=oAiQqrIIwr3EzrOWIYgipdCzSGK/GXt3T/UJN1e7MT4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=0LMAqQRKG7OqbG4J0J9evQn7gV4MzfTzNwqxGdFHQlq4tpAHFIt0hdp8P0CbAbxvK ejagOsCjphLb0nnbrcYaRQ0S10i5OZir04EosZ4h9++o6/BiH88CAsdXjlaahiUFci 4eRS50+ltflIwDWl+EBzzMZ1gBTeyXVkf77BcgDk= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] WIP: High-level restructure of transport draft (#1857) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bc454525a953_1afd3fcbe4ad45b86913c6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 08:48:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bc454525a953_1afd3fcbe4ad45b86913c6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. This is a great start. Thanks for putting this together. I took the opportunity to do a fairly thorough read-through (up until I got to the frame descriptions). So there are a mix of comments throughout. I probably strayed over the line on occasion and made some non-editorial comments as I went; as we discuss, we can open issues for those. Overall, this is a big improvement, and I can see how it might be the basis for more improvements (some of which I noted). We shouldn't worry about getting things perfect, but at the same time I don't want to lose these comments. Most of them are fairly directly actionable. No more time today, but I might be able to generate a PR for some of this as things stabilize more. > @@ -134,18 +134,27 @@ encrypts most of the data it exchanges, including its signaling. This allows the protocol to evolve without incurring a dependency on upgrades to middleboxes. -This document describes the core QUIC protocol, including the conceptual design, -wire format, and mechanisms of the QUIC protocol for connection establishment, -stream multiplexing, stream and connection-level flow control, connection -migration, and data reliability. +This document describes the core QUIC protocol, and is structured as follows: Does a two-level list make sense here? ``` * Streams are the basic service abstraction that QUIC provides: ** {{streams}} describes core concepts related to streams, ** {{stream-states}} provides a reference model for stream states, and ** {{flow-control}} outlines the operation of flow control. * Connections are the context in which QUIC endpoints communicate. ** {{}} details the process for establishing connections, ** {{}} describes how endpoints migrate a connection to use a new network paths, and ** {{}} lists the options for terminating an open connection. * Packets and frames are the basic unit used by QUIC to communicate. ** {{}} describes the format of packets and frames, ** {{}} defines a models for the transmission and retransmission of information, ** {{}} describes acknowledgments, the primary feedback mechanism in QUIC, and ** {{}} contains a rules for managing the size of packets. * Details of encoding of QUIC protocol elements is described in: ** {{}} (Versions), ** {{}} (Packet Headers), ** {{}} (TP), ** {{}} (Frames), and ** {{}} (Errors). ``` If we do that, I would add a heading, like `## This Document` here. That would also satisfy the itch that adding conventions and notations as 1.1 has, which says that having only one subsection is wrong. > -Version numbers used to identify IETF drafts are created by adding the draft -number to 0xff000000. For example, draft-ietf-quic-transport-13 would be -identified as 0xff00000D. +Streams are identified by an unsigned 62-bit integer, referred to as the Stream This is the first mention of a 62-bit value, which I *guarantee* will raise eyebrows and generate annoying questions. A forward reference to the varint encoding is probably necessary. Maybe just move the last paragraph up here. > -Any QUIC packet has either a long or a short header, as indicated by the Header -Form bit. Long headers are expected to be used early in the connection before -version negotiation and establishment of 1-RTT keys. Short headers are minimal -version-specific headers, which are used after version negotiation and 1-RTT -keys are established. +The first bi-directional stream opened by the client is stream 0. s/bi-directional/bidirectional > -: The most significant bit (0x80) of octet 0 (the first octet) is set to 1 for - long headers. +An endpoint limits the number of concurrently active incoming streams by Missing transitional glue: "QUIC allows for an arbitrary number of streams to operate concurrently." Necessary if you take my proposed edit above. > -: The most significant bit (0x80) of octet 0 (the first octet) is set to 1 for - long headers. +An endpoint limits the number of concurrently active incoming streams by +adjusting the maximum stream ID. An initial value is set in the transport s/adjusting/limiting/ > -Versions with the most significant 16 bits of the version number cleared are -reserved for use in future IETF consensus documents. +The creation and destruction of streams are expected to have minimal bandwidth +and computational cost. A single STREAM frame may create, carry data for, and We don't really say here how streams are created. It's something you need to infer. Maybe move this paragraph above the previous one and make it: > Streams can be created by sending data. Other processes associated with stream management - ending, cancelling, and managing flow control - are all designed to impose minimal overheads. For instance, a single STREAM frame ({{frame-stream}}) can open, carry data for, and close a stream. > -: The octet following the version contains the lengths of the two connection ID - fields that follow it. These lengths are encoded as two 4-bit unsigned - integers. The Destination Connection ID Length (DCIL) field occupies the 4 - high bits of the octet and the Source Connection ID Length (SCIL) field - occupies the 4 low bits of the octet. An encoded length of 0 indicates that - the connection ID is also 0 octets in length. Non-zero encoded lengths are - increased by 3 to get the full length of the connection ID, producing a length - between 4 and 18 octets inclusive. For example, an octet with the value 0x50 - describes an 8-octet Destination Connection ID and a zero-length Source - Connection ID. +Once a stream is created, endpoints may use the stream to send and receive data. +Each endpoint may send a series of STREAM frames encapsulating data on a stream +until the stream is terminated in that direction. Streams are an ordered +byte-stream abstraction, and they have no other structure within them. STREAM +frame boundaries are not expected to be preserved in retransmissions from the +sender or during delivery to the application at the receiver. Suggest: > Endpoints uses streams to send and receive data. Endpoints send STREAM frames, which encapsulate data for a stream. STREAM frames carry a flag that can be used to signal the end of a stream. > > Streams are an ordered byte-stream abstraction with no other structure that is visible to QUIC. STREAM frame boundaries are not expected to preserved when data is transmitted, including when data is retransmitted after packet loss. > -Length: +Flow control is described in detail in {{flow-control}}, and congestion control +is described in the companion document {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. This congestion control comment now seems entirely out of place. I suggest merging the flow control note into the previous paragraph, and dropping the recovery reference entirely. > @@ -208,1721 +217,1890 @@ x (*) ... : Indicates that x is variable-length -# Versions {#versions} +# Streams: QUIC's Data Structuring Abstraction {#streams} Can we just call this "Streams"? Please. If only because we might grow new abstractions in future. > -The client responds to a Retry packet with an Initial packet that includes the -provided Retry Token to continue connection establishment. +It is necessary to limit the amount of data that a sender may have outstanding +at any time, so as to prevent a fast sender from overwhelming a slow receiver, +or to prevent a malicious sender from consuming significant resources at a +receiver. This section describes QUIC's flow-control mechanisms. We can probably drop the last sentence. It's self-evident. > -A client sets the Destination Connection ID field of this Initial packet to the -value from the Source Connection ID in the Retry packet. Changing Destination -Connection ID also results in a change to the keys used to protect the Initial -packet. It also sets the Token field to the token provided in the Retry. The -client MUST NOT change the Source Connection ID because the server could include -the connection ID as part of its token validation logic (see {{tokens}}). +QUIC employs a credit-based flow-control scheme similar to HTTP/2's flow control Avoid possessive: "similar to that in HTTP/2 {{?HTTP2}}" > -A client sets the Destination Connection ID field of this Initial packet to the -value from the Source Connection ID in the Retry packet. Changing Destination -Connection ID also results in a change to the keys used to protect the Initial -packet. It also sets the Token field to the token provided in the Retry. The -client MUST NOT change the Source Connection ID because the server could include -the connection ID as part of its token validation logic (see {{tokens}}). +QUIC employs a credit-based flow-control scheme similar to HTTP/2's flow control +{{?HTTP2}}. A receiver advertises the number of octets it is prepared to +receive on a given stream and for the entire connection. This leads to two +levels of flow control in QUIC: (i) Connection flow control, which prevents Make a real bullet list, I think. Also, we should try to be consistent about order: I think that stream flow control first (MAX_STREAM_DATA) and connection second (MAX_DATA) makes sense based on the description in the next paragraph. Of course, that's opposite to how we do things everywhere else... > -All these packets use the long header and contain the current QUIC version in -the version field. +Conversely if a sender believes it is blocked, while endpoint B expects more Remove paragraph break before this. > -## Cryptographic Handshake Packets {#handshake-packets} +## Edge Cases and Other Considerations I don't like this section title, maybe "Consistency of Flow Control State" or "Handling of Stream Cancellation" (see comment below) > +To avoid this de-synchronization, a RST_STREAM sender MUST include the final "To ensure that endpoints maintain a consistent connection-level flow control state, the RST_STREAM frame {{frame-rst-stream}} includes the largest offset of data sent on the stream." > -The Initial packet (shown in {{initial-format}}) has two additional header -fields that are added to the Long Header before the Length field. +### Data Limit Increments {#fc-credit} Make this heading 2 ("## Data Limit Increments"). > -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ -| Token (*) ... -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ -| Length (i) ... -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ -| Packet Number (8/16/32) | -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ -| Payload (*) ... -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ -~~~ -{: #initial-format title="Initial Packet"} +This document leaves when and how many bytes to advertise in a MAX_DATA or +MAX_STREAM_DATA to implementations, but offers a few considerations. These +frames contribute to connection overhead. Therefore frequently sending frames +with small changes is undesirable. At the same time, infrequent updates require +larger increments to limits if blocking is to be avoided. Thus, larger updates "At the same time, larger increments to limits are necessary to avoid blocking if updates are less frequent." > -The client and server use the Initial packet type for any packet that contains -an initial cryptographic handshake message. This includes all cases where a new -packet containing the initial cryptographic message needs to be created, such as -the packets sent after receiving a Version Negotiation ({{packet-version}}) or -Retry packet ({{packet-retry}}). +### Blocking on Flow Control {#blocking} This belongs under the data limit increments section, not the stream limit increments. > -A server sends its first Initial packet in response to a client Initial. A -server may send multiple Initial packets. The cryptographic key exchange could -require multiple round trips or retransmissions of this data. +If a sender does not receive a MAX_DATA or MAX_STREAM_DATA frame when it has run +out of flow control credit, the sender will be blocked and SHOULD send a BLOCKED "[...] the sender will be unable to send new data. That is, the sender it blocked. A blocked sender SHOULD send a STREAM_BLOCKED or BLOCKED frame." > -## Initial Packet {#packet-initial} +### Response to a RST_STREAM I think that we can drop this heading. It fits well-enough into the preceding section. > -Token Length: +## Stream Limit Increment See comment above in stream concurrency section. > -: The most significant bit (0x80) of octet 0 (the first octet) is set to 1 for - long headers. +An endpoint limits the number of concurrently active incoming streams by +adjusting the maximum stream ID. An initial value is set in the transport +parameters (see {{transport-parameter-definitions}}) and is subsequently +increased by MAX_STREAM_ID frames (see {{frame-max-stream-id}}). I think that we need to forward reference the section on increasing stream concurrency instead of transport parameters and whatnot. Move this last sentence to that section and replace with a forward reference here. > -The payload of an Initial packet includes a CRYPTO frame (or frames) containing -a cryptographic handshake message, ACK frames, or both. PADDING and -CONNECTION_CLOSE frames are also permitted. An endpoint that receives an -Initial packet containing other frames can either discard the packet as spurious -or treat it as a connection error. +For smooth operation of the congestion controller, it is generally considered There are many reasons we don't want a peer to become blocked. Do we have to pick just one? > -When a server receives an Initial packet with an address validation token, it -SHOULD attempt to validate it. If the token is invalid then the server SHOULD -proceed as if the client did not have a validated address, including potentially -sending a Retry. If the validation succeeds, the server SHOULD then allow the -handshake to proceed (see {{stateless-retry}}). +Each connection possesses a set of identifiers, any of which could be used to +distinguish it from other connections. Connection IDs are selected +independently in each direction. Each Connection ID has an associated sequence +number to assist in deduplicating messages. Move this last sentence to the "issuing" section below. It's not important enough to be right up here. > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour "[...] by an endpoint is sent in the Source Connection ID field of the long packet header ({{...}}) during the handshake." > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour We are missing a paragraph on failed packet protection removal here. We probably want that. > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour Circular reference. I think that we need to say > [...] matched to a connection using the connection ID or - for packets with zero-length connection IDs - the address tuple. If the packet doesn't match an existing connection, the server continues below. > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour We can remove this requirement now that we have Retry and the token stuff. > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour The first CRYPTO frame *from a client* > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour Are we at 1232, or 1200? > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour "The sequence numbers used by CRYPTO frames to ensure ordered delivery of cryptographic handshake data start from zero in each packet number space." > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour No EOED any more. > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour We need text leading into this diagram as well. Something like "{{tls-0rtt-handshake}} shows the same handshake with 0-RTT data added." > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour 0..2^16-1 now that we don't mandate use of any parameters. > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour s/encode the/describe the encoding of/ > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour We should include original_connection_id here as well? > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour Merge max_*_streams into the other list. > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour "Address validation is used by QUIC to avoid being used for a traffic amplification attack." - and strike the first paragraph entirely. Then make the change I suggest below. > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour > The primary defense against amplification attack is verifying that a client is able to receive packets at the transport address that it claims. QUIC also requires that clients send UDP datagrams with at least 1200 octets of payload until the server has completed address validation. A server can thereby send more data to an unproven addresses without increasing the amplification advantage gained by an attacker. > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour should this be "As long as it is not possible for an attacker to guess a valid token for their address ..." ? > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour Split paragraph before "Because". > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour Add: "The only requirement is that a valid token be difficult to guess for an attacker." > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour Strike this paragraph. It's wrong now. > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour We should add: "A resumption token SHOULD be easily distinguishable from tokens that are sent in Retry packets as they are carried in the same field." > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour This belongs somewhere else now, but I don't know where just yet. > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour I think that we want this to be heading 1. It's under the cryptographic handshake, but I think that it logically belongs before it. That's unfortunate, because I'd really like to have an overview of the handshake up front. Perhaps we need a new "Connection Lifecycle Overview" section ahead of all this stuff. If we make this a top-level section, then you can cover the two aspects of address validation in the one section: this section covers the handshake, then you have the explicit validation stuff that migration relies on. A brief intro can explain that there are two mechanisms and why. > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour s/For instance,/In particular,/ -- these are good practices we want to encourage. Also, using "For instance" in this way might be read to imply that STREAM is verboten. It's not, it's just that you don't really want to rely on it. > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour "Initiating Path Validation" is better - it's easy to lose necessary context when jumping around, and "Initiation" is very generic. > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour "[...] MAY send multiple PATH_CHALLENGE frames to guard against loss." > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour "Successful Path Validation" > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour "Path Validation Responses" > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour s/, with the following stipulation. Since/. However, because/ > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour s/MAY/MUST/g > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour s/: from/. That is, from/ > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour "Failed Path Validation" > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour > Path validation only fails when the endpoint attempting to validate the path abandons its attempt to validate the path. > > Endpoints SHOULD abandon path validation based on a timer. When setting this timer [...] > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour > When an endpoint abandons path validation, it determines that the path is unusable. This does not [...] > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour s/QUIC/The use of a connection ID/ > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour NAT rebinding is not connection migration as defined in this section, though endpoints SHOULD perform path validation ({{migrate-validate}}) if they detect a change in a remote address. > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour Maybe we should reiterate that this won't include non-probing frames here. > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour s/frames other than probing/non-probing/ > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour I think that we can put this under migration safely. > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour "at any time after it accepts a connection." Handshake completion is not a prerequisite because the client will believe that the handshake is complete before the server does. > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour I don't think that we want special rules here, so we should use "probing"/"non-probing" terms. This looks like it is creating special rules, where I don't think we need any. It's only this sentence, the rest is good. > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour s/to// > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour Can we move this under the Acknowledgments section? We really need to break this section up a little better, but I can't comment on it here, so I'll come back to this. > +In the closing state, only a packet containing a closing frame can be sent. An This first sentence is duplicative, maybe drop it and merge this paragraph with the previous. > -An endpoint also MUST NOT initiate connection migration if the peer sent the -`disable_migration` transport parameter during the handshake. An endpoint which -has sent this transport parameter, but detects that a peer has nonetheless -migrated to a different network MAY treat this as a connection error of type -INVALID_MIGRATION. +This design relies on the peer always sending a connection ID in its packets so +that the endpoint can use the connection ID from a packet to reset the +connection. An endpoint that uses this design MUST either use the same +connection ID length for all connections or encode the length of the connection +ID such that it can be recovered without state. In addition, it MUST NOT s/MUST NOT/cannot/ > -When migrating, the new path might not support the endpoint's current sending -rate. Therefore, the endpoint resets its congestion controller, as described in -{{migration-cc}}. +Any QUIC packet, with the exception of the Version Negotiation packet, has I think that we can make this multiple paragraphs. It's also lacking a little bit of context. How about: > QUIC endpoints communicate by exchanging packets. Packets are carried in UDP datagrams (see {{packet-coalesce}}) and have confidentiality and integrity protection (see {{packet-protected}}). > > This version of QUIC uses the long packet header (see {{header-long}}) during connection establishment and the short header (see {{header-short}}) once 1-RTT keys have been established. > > Packets that carry the long header are Initial [...]. > > Packets with the short header are designed for minimal overhead and are used after a connection is established. > > Version negotiation uses a packet with a special format (see {{packet-version}}). > +All QUIC packets use packet protection. Packets that are protected with the This bit could be a better, I think. > All QUIC packets except Version Negotiation and Retry packets use authenticated encryption with additional data (AEAD) {{!RFC5119}} to provide confidentiality and integrity protection. Details of packet protection are found in {{QUIC-TLS}}; this section includes an overview of the process. > > Initial packets are protected using keys that are statically derived. This packet protection is not effective confidentiality protection, it only exists to ensure that the sender of the packet is on the network path. Any entity that receives the Initial packet from a client can recover the keys necessary to remove packet protection or to generate packets that will be successfully authenticated. > > All other packets are protected with keys derived from the cryptographic handshake. The type of the packet from the long header or key phase from the short header are used to identify which encryption level - and therefore the keys - that are used. Packets protected with 0-RTT and 1-RTT keys are expected to have confidentiality and data origin authentication; the cryptographic handshake ensures that only the communicating endpoints receive the corresponding keys. That covers the first few paragraphs here. > -An endpoint MAY send data to an unvalidated peer address, but it MUST protect -against potential attacks as described in {{address-spoofing}} and -{{on-path-spoofing}}. An endpoint MAY skip validation of a peer address if that -address has been seen recently. +The version field for protected packets is the current QUIC version. I don't think that we need to say this. > -In response to such a packet, an endpoint MUST start sending subsequent packets -to the new peer address and MUST initiate path validation ({{migrate-validate}}) -to verify the peer's ownership of the unvalidated address. +Packets protected with 0-RTT keys use a type value of 0x7C. The connection ID +fields for a 0-RTT packet MUST match the values used in the Initial packet +({{packet-initial}}). We can drop this paragraph. > -After changing the address to which it sends non-probing packets, an endpoint -could abandon any path validation for other addresses. +The payload is protected using authenticated encryption. {{QUIC-TLS}} describes +packet protection in detail. After decryption, the plaintext consists of a +sequence of frames, as described in {{frames}}. With the above edits, this paragraph is redundant too. > +A sender can coalesce multiple QUIC packets (typically a Cryptographic Handshake +packet and a Protected packet) into one UDP datagram. This can reduce the "Cryptographic Handshake" and "Protected" aren't defined terms. I would drop the parenthetical. > +A sender can coalesce multiple QUIC packets (typically a Cryptographic Handshake +packet and a Protected packet) into one UDP datagram. This can reduce the +number of UDP datagrams needed to send application data during the handshake and +immediately afterwards. It is not necessary for senders to coalesce > [...] number of UDP datagrams needed to complete the cryptographic handshake and starting sending data. > +A sender can coalesce multiple QUIC packets (typically a Cryptographic Handshake +packet and a Protected packet) into one UDP datagram. This can reduce the +number of UDP datagrams needed to send application data during the handshake and +immediately afterwards. It is not necessary for senders to coalesce +packets, though failing to do so will require sending a significantly +larger number of datagrams during the handshake. Receivers MUST Strike the "It is not necessary" sentence. The benefits speak for themselves without making hard to test assertions ("significantly larger" doesn't really help, the actual amount is pretty simple to work out). > -It is possible that a peer is spoofing its source address to cause an endpoint -to send excessive amounts of data to an unwilling host. If the endpoint sends -significantly more data than the spoofing peer, connection migration might be -used to amplify the volume of data that an attacker can generate toward a -victim. +Senders MUST NOT coalesce QUIC packets with different Destination Connection +IDs into a single UDP datagram. Receivers SHOULD ignore any subsequent packets s/with different Destination Connection IDs/for different connections/ Yes, this introduces pretty strong linkability (maybe) for multiple different connection IDs, but we tripped up against this in NYC and the requirement is same-connection, not same-connection-id. > -congestion window's worth of data per estimated round-trip time (kMinimumWindow, -as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}). In the absence of this limit, an endpoint -risks being used for a denial of service attack against an unsuspecting victim. -Note that since the endpoint will not have any round-trip time measurements to -this address, the estimate SHOULD be the default initial value (see -{{QUIC-RECOVERY}}). +Every QUIC packet that is coalesced into a single UDP datagram is separate and +complete. Though the values of some fields in the packet header might be +redundant, no fields are omitted. The receiver of coalesced QUIC packets MUST +individually process each QUIC packet and separately acknowledge them, as if +they were received as the payload of different UDP datagrams. If one or more +packets in a datagram cannot be processed yet (because the keys are not yet +available) or processing fails (decryption failure, unknown type, etc.), the +receiver MUST still attempt to process the remaining packets. The skipped +packets MAY either be discarded or buffered for later processing, just as if the +packets were received out-of-order in separate datagrams. Note to transfer #1844 here once that resolves. > -If an endpoint skips validation of a peer address as described in -{{migration-response}}, it does not need to limit its sending rate. +Retry ({{packet-retry}}) and Version Negotiation ({{packet-version}}) packets +cannot be coalesced. Should we change this to say that Retry packets, VN packets, and packets with a short header cannot be followed by other packets in the same datagram? Because you could technically put Retry after an Initial, as much as that doesn't make any sense. > -#### Handling Address Spoofing by an On-path Attacker {#on-path-spoofing} +## Connection ID Encoding I think that we can merge this section with the earlier section on connection IDs or maybe the handshaking section (because it deals with negotiating connection ID). It's got some good stuff, but it doesn't really belong here. Also, the title should be "Negotiating Connection IDs" or something like that. > -This eliminates the use of the connection ID for linking activity from -the same connection on different networks. Protection of packet numbers ensures -that packet numbers cannot be used to correlate activity. This does not prevent -other properties of packets, such as timing and size, from being used to -correlate activity. +A Version Negotiation packet ({{packet-version}}) does not include a packet +number. The Retry packet ({{packet-retry}}) has special rules for populating +the packet number field. Bug: Retry doesn't have a packet number either. > -Using a stable connection ID on multiple network paths allows a passive observer -to correlate activity between those paths. An endpoint that moves between -networks might not wish to have their activity correlated by any entity other -than their peer, so different connection IDs are used when sending from -different local addresses, as discussed in {{connection-id}}. For this to be -effective endpoints need to ensure that connections IDs they provide cannot be -linked by any other entity. +The packet number is an integer in the range 0 to 2^62-1, present in all long Same comment as before regarding the 2^62 thing. Also, packet numbers are not present in all packets. > -Migrating a connection to a new server address mid-connection is left for future -work. If a client receives packets from a new server address not indicated by -the preferred_address transport parameter, the client SHOULD discard these -packets. +In the QUIC long and short packet headers, the number of bits required to I think that we need to move this paragraph and the table, maybe a little more to the "Packet Formats" section, with a forward reference from here. This is very much bits and bytes. I think that there are two sections: Packet Number Encoding, and Packet Number Recovery. > -Once the handshake is finished, the client SHOULD initiate path validation (see -{{migrate-validate}}) of the server's preferred address using the connection ID -provided in the preferred_address transport parameter. +The encoded packet number is protected as described in Section 5.3 missing "of": Section 5.3 of {{QUIC-TLS}} > -Once the handshake is finished, the client SHOULD initiate path validation (see -{{migrate-validate}}) of the server's preferred address using the connection ID -provided in the preferred_address transport parameter. +The encoded packet number is protected as described in Section 5.3 This starts the section of Packet Number Recovery, which belongs below, I think. > +The sender MUST use a packet number size able to represent more than twice as Packet number encoding again, I think. > -The server SHOULD also initiate path validation of the client using its -preferred address and the address from which it received the client probe. This -helps to guard against spurious migration initiated by an attacker. +A receiver MUST discard a newly unprotected packet unless it is certain that it We should keep this up-top. It's important. > -### Interaction of Client Migration and Preferred Address +The payload of all packets, after removing packet protection, consists of a Not all packets have frames. We need to finesse this a little. > -### Interaction of Client Migration and Preferred Address +The payload of all packets, after removing packet protection, consists of a +sequence of frames, as shown in {{packet-frames}}. Version Negotiation and +Stateless Reset do not contain frames. Nor does Retry. > -Connections should remain open until they become idle for a pre-negotiated -period of time. A QUIC connection, once established, can be terminated in one -of three ways: +| Type Value | Frame Type Name | Definition | +|:------------|:---------------------|:-------------------------------| +| 0x00 | PADDING | {{frame-padding}} | Let's reorder these too, but after this big shuffle. > -The draining state is entered once an endpoint receives a signal that its peer -is closing or draining. While otherwise identical to the closing state, an -endpoint in the draining state MUST NOT send any packets. Retaining packet -protection keys is unnecessary once a connection is in the draining state. +A sender SHOULD minimize per-packet bandwidth and computational costs by This SHOULD isn't an interop requirement, I think that can s/SHOULD minimize/minimizes/ > -Disposing of connection state prior to the end Do we need to say anything about partial processing. And our expectations about what implementations do with packets that have errors after valid frames? > -Disposing of connection state prior to the end I think that we can strike this implicit bit now. > -Disposing of connection state prior to the end We should put the varint encoding right at the top of this section. It already deals with network byte order, so the extra text on integer encoding naturally fits. > -Disposing of connection state prior to the end Do we use this convention? I tend to call the MSB bit 0 myself... > -Disposing of connection state prior to the end We can probably drop this and say that "The Length field enables packet coalescing ({{packet-coalesce}})." in the preceding paragraph instead. > -Disposing of connection state prior to the end missing close paren > -Disposing of connection state prior to the end Maybe as a follow-up we can fix the description of the long header. We have 3 formats and only 2 of the 4 types use the generic format we show here. Not sure what to do about it exactly, but it's a little confusing to have such a high amount of variance from what we put forth as the baseline format. The same applies when implementing this. > -Disposing of connection state prior to the end I think that we need to break this stuff up a little. Maybe this is as simple as having "Sending Retry" and "Processing Retry" sections, but it's pretty hard to access right now. > -Disposing of connection state prior to the end I don't think that this sub-heading helps any. Initial and Handshake don't share a format and don't really need to have a lead-in. More critically, I think that Initial belongs before Retry (and Version Negotiation even). The text that is here probably belongs with the connection establishment section. > -Disposing of connection state prior to the end This can go with Initial packets. > -Disposing of connection state prior to the end Remember that I mentioned a "Negotiating Connection IDs" section above. Merge this with that section. I don't think that it belongs in the nuts-and-bolts sections. > -Disposing of connection state prior to the end This can be moved to the address validation section. > -Disposing of connection state prior to the end We covered this in packet number spaces already. Maybe it can go. > -Disposing of connection state prior to the end Move to section on packet number sizes. (I think that it can be deleted now). > -Disposing of connection state prior to the end Thus far, we have not really addressed 0-RTT at all. We don't even really say much about what it is for. This really belongs in a section for that, probably right after the example handshake exchanges. > -Disposing of connection state prior to the end This is old text, I think. It doesn't even mention Initial, which we now need before any Handshake packets can be sent. > -Disposing of connection state prior to the end Move this and the next paragraph to address validation section. We might also need a xref from the packet size section to that section as well. > -Disposing of connection state prior to the end We use this encoding in packet headers, so this really needs to be earlier, as I said. > @@ -208,1721 +217,1890 @@ x (*) ... : Indicates that x is variable-length This section on encoding and pictures could be moved much later in the document. We don't really use this until we start describing the wire format, and if we had a section on notation conventions before we got into packet formats and the like, we could put this with the note on network byte order and varint encoding. > -Disposing of connection state prior to the end Error codes and versions. > -# Packetization and Reliability {#packetization} +Transmission errors, timeouts and retransmissions might cause the same +NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame to be received multiple times. Receipt of the same +frame multiple times MUST NOT be treated as a connection error. A receiver can +use the sequence number supplied in the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame to identify new +connection IDs from old ones. I think that we can remove the first two sentences of this paragraph. They are vestiges of the design prior to us putting sequence numbers back in. > -signal that it wishes to abandon transmission of stream data. Similarly, the -endpoint might receive a STOP_SENDING frame from its peer. In either case, the -endpoint sends a RST_STREAM frame, which causes the stream to enter the "Reset -Sent" state. - -An endpoint MAY send a RST_STREAM as the first frame on a send stream; this -causes the send stream to open and then immediately transition to the "Reset -Sent" state. - -Once a packet containing a RST_STREAM has been acknowledged, the send stream -enters the "Reset Recvd" state, which is a terminal state. - - -### Receive Stream States {#stream-recv-states} - -{{fig-s We should move the remainder of this section to the acknowledgments section. > -signal that it wishes to abandon transmission of stream data. Similarly, the -endpoint might receive a STOP_SENDING frame from its peer. In either case, the -endpoint sends a RST_STREAM frame, which causes the stream to enter the "Reset -Sent" state. - -An endpoint MAY send a RST_STREAM as the first frame on a send stream; this -causes the send stream to open and then immediately transition to the "Reset -Sent" state. - -Once a packet containing a RST_STREAM has been acknowledged, the send stream -enters the "Reset Recvd" state, which is a terminal state. - - -### Receive Stream States {#stream-recv-states} - -{{fig-s Same here. > -signal that it wishes to abandon transmission of stream data. Similarly, the -endpoint might receive a STOP_SENDING frame from its peer. In either case, the -endpoint sends a RST_STREAM frame, which causes the stream to enter the "Reset -Sent" state. - -An endpoint MAY send a RST_STREAM as the first frame on a send stream; this -causes the send stream to open and then immediately transition to the "Reset -Sent" state. - -Once a packet containing a RST_STREAM has been acknowledged, the send stream -enters the "Reset Recvd" state, which is a terminal state. - - -### Receive Stream States {#stream-recv-states} - -{{fig-s This paragraph and the next probably belong in the packetization section. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1857#pullrequestreview-164539169 ----==_mimepart_5bc454525a953_1afd3fcbe4ad45b86913c6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

This is a great start. Thanks for putting this together.

I took the opportunity to do a fairly thorough read-through (up until I got to the frame descriptions). So there are a mix of comments throughout. I probably strayed over the line on occasion and made some non-editorial comments as I went; as we discuss, we can open issues for those.

Overall, this is a big improvement, and I can see how it might be the basis for more improvements (some of which I noted). We shouldn't worry about getting things perfect, but at the same time I don't want to lose these comments. Most of them are fairly directly actionable.

No more time today, but I might be able to generate a PR for some of this as things stabilize more.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -134,18 +134,27 @@ encrypts most of the data it exchanges, including its signaling.  This allows
 the protocol to evolve without incurring a dependency on upgrades to
 middleboxes.
 
-This document describes the core QUIC protocol, including the conceptual design,
-wire format, and mechanisms of the QUIC protocol for connection establishment,
-stream multiplexing, stream and connection-level flow control, connection
-migration, and data reliability.
+This document describes the core QUIC protocol, and is structured as follows:

Does a two-level list make sense here?

* Streams are the basic service abstraction that QUIC provides:
** {{streams}} describes core concepts related to streams, 
** {{stream-states}} provides a reference model for stream states, and 
** {{flow-control}} outlines the operation of flow control.

* Connections are the context in which QUIC endpoints communicate.
** {{}} details the process for establishing connections,
** {{}} describes how endpoints migrate a connection to use a new network paths, and
** {{}} lists the options for terminating an open connection.

* Packets and frames are the basic unit used by QUIC to communicate.
** {{}} describes the format of packets and frames,
** {{}} defines a models for the transmission and retransmission of information,
** {{}} describes acknowledgments, the primary feedback mechanism in QUIC, and
** {{}} contains a rules for managing the size of packets.

* Details of encoding of QUIC protocol elements is described in:
** {{}} (Versions),
** {{}} (Packet Headers),
** {{}} (TP), 
** {{}} (Frames), and 
** {{}} (Errors).

If we do that, I would add a heading, like ## This Document here. That would also satisfy the itch that adding conventions and notations as 1.1 has, which says that having only one subsection is wrong.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Version numbers used to identify IETF drafts are created by adding the draft
-number to 0xff000000.  For example, draft-ietf-quic-transport-13 would be
-identified as 0xff00000D.
+Streams are identified by an unsigned 62-bit integer, referred to as the Stream

This is the first mention of a 62-bit value, which I guarantee will raise eyebrows and generate annoying questions. A forward reference to the varint encoding is probably necessary. Maybe just move the last paragraph up here.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Any QUIC packet has either a long or a short header, as indicated by the Header
-Form bit. Long headers are expected to be used early in the connection before
-version negotiation and establishment of 1-RTT keys.  Short headers are minimal
-version-specific headers, which are used after version negotiation and 1-RTT
-keys are established.
+The first bi-directional stream opened by the client is stream 0.

s/bi-directional/bidirectional

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-: The most significant bit (0x80) of octet 0 (the first octet) is set to 1 for
-  long headers.
+An endpoint limits the number of concurrently active incoming streams by

Missing transitional glue: "QUIC allows for an arbitrary number of streams to operate concurrently." Necessary if you take my proposed edit above.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-: The most significant bit (0x80) of octet 0 (the first octet) is set to 1 for
-  long headers.
+An endpoint limits the number of concurrently active incoming streams by
+adjusting the maximum stream ID.  An initial value is set in the transport

s/adjusting/limiting/

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Versions with the most significant 16 bits of the version number cleared are
-reserved for use in future IETF consensus documents.
+The creation and destruction of streams are expected to have minimal bandwidth
+and computational cost.  A single STREAM frame may create, carry data for, and

We don't really say here how streams are created. It's something you need to infer. Maybe move this paragraph above the previous one and make it:

Streams can be created by sending data. Other processes associated with stream management - ending, cancelling, and managing flow control - are all designed to impose minimal overheads. For instance, a single STREAM frame ({{frame-stream}}) can open, carry data for, and close a stream.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -: The octet following the version contains the lengths of the two connection ID
-  fields that follow it.  These lengths are encoded as two 4-bit unsigned
-  integers. The Destination Connection ID Length (DCIL) field occupies the 4
-  high bits of the octet and the Source Connection ID Length (SCIL) field
-  occupies the 4 low bits of the octet.  An encoded length of 0 indicates that
-  the connection ID is also 0 octets in length.  Non-zero encoded lengths are
-  increased by 3 to get the full length of the connection ID, producing a length
-  between 4 and 18 octets inclusive.  For example, an octet with the value 0x50
-  describes an 8-octet Destination Connection ID and a zero-length Source
-  Connection ID.
+Once a stream is created, endpoints may use the stream to send and receive data.
+Each endpoint may send a series of STREAM frames encapsulating data on a stream
+until the stream is terminated in that direction.  Streams are an ordered
+byte-stream abstraction, and they have no other structure within them.  STREAM
+frame boundaries are not expected to be preserved in retransmissions from the
+sender or during delivery to the application at the receiver.

Suggest:

Endpoints uses streams to send and receive data. Endpoints send STREAM frames, which encapsulate data for a stream. STREAM frames carry a flag that can be used to signal the end of a stream.

Streams are an ordered byte-stream abstraction with no other structure that is visible to QUIC. STREAM frame boundaries are not expected to preserved when data is transmitted, including when data is retransmitted after packet loss.

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>  
-Length:
+Flow control is described in detail in {{flow-control}}, and congestion control
+is described in the companion document {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.

This congestion control comment now seems entirely out of place. I suggest merging the flow control note into the previous paragraph, and dropping the recovery reference entirely.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -208,1721 +217,1890 @@ x (*) ...
 : Indicates that x is variable-length
 
 
-# Versions {#versions}
+# Streams: QUIC's Data Structuring Abstraction {#streams}

Can we just call this "Streams"? Please. If only because we might grow new abstractions in future.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-The client responds to a Retry packet with an Initial packet that includes the
-provided Retry Token to continue connection establishment.
+It is necessary to limit the amount of data that a sender may have outstanding
+at any time, so as to prevent a fast sender from overwhelming a slow receiver,
+or to prevent a malicious sender from consuming significant resources at a
+receiver.  This section describes QUIC's flow-control mechanisms.

We can probably drop the last sentence. It's self-evident.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-A client sets the Destination Connection ID field of this Initial packet to the
-value from the Source Connection ID in the Retry packet. Changing Destination
-Connection ID also results in a change to the keys used to protect the Initial
-packet. It also sets the Token field to the token provided in the Retry. The
-client MUST NOT change the Source Connection ID because the server could include
-the connection ID as part of its token validation logic (see {{tokens}}).
+QUIC employs a credit-based flow-control scheme similar to HTTP/2's flow control

Avoid possessive: "similar to that in HTTP/2 {{?HTTP2}}"

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-A client sets the Destination Connection ID field of this Initial packet to the
-value from the Source Connection ID in the Retry packet. Changing Destination
-Connection ID also results in a change to the keys used to protect the Initial
-packet. It also sets the Token field to the token provided in the Retry. The
-client MUST NOT change the Source Connection ID because the server could include
-the connection ID as part of its token validation logic (see {{tokens}}).
+QUIC employs a credit-based flow-control scheme similar to HTTP/2's flow control
+{{?HTTP2}}.  A receiver advertises the number of octets it is prepared to
+receive on a given stream and for the entire connection.  This leads to two
+levels of flow control in QUIC: (i) Connection flow control, which prevents

Make a real bullet list, I think. Also, we should try to be consistent about order: I think that stream flow control first (MAX_STREAM_DATA) and connection second (MAX_DATA) makes sense based on the description in the next paragraph. Of course, that's opposite to how we do things everywhere else...

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-All these packets use the long header and contain the current QUIC version in
-the version field.
+Conversely if a sender believes it is blocked, while endpoint B expects more

Remove paragraph break before this.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-## Cryptographic Handshake Packets {#handshake-packets}
+## Edge Cases and Other Considerations

I don't like this section title, maybe "Consistency of Flow Control State" or "Handling of Stream Cancellation" (see comment below)

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
+To avoid this de-synchronization, a RST_STREAM sender MUST include the final

"To ensure that endpoints maintain a consistent connection-level flow control state, the RST_STREAM frame {{frame-rst-stream}} includes the largest offset of data sent on the stream."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-The Initial packet (shown in {{initial-format}}) has two additional header
-fields that are added to the Long Header before the Length field.
+### Data Limit Increments {#fc-credit}

Make this heading 2 ("## Data Limit Increments").

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
-|                            Token (*)                        ...
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
-|                           Length (i)                        ...
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
-|                     Packet Number (8/16/32)                   |
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
-|                          Payload (*)                        ...
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
-~~~
-{: #initial-format title="Initial Packet"}
+This document leaves when and how many bytes to advertise in a MAX_DATA or
+MAX_STREAM_DATA to implementations, but offers a few considerations.  These
+frames contribute to connection overhead.  Therefore frequently sending frames
+with small changes is undesirable.  At the same time, infrequent updates require
+larger increments to limits if blocking is to be avoided.  Thus, larger updates

"At the same time, larger increments to limits are necessary to avoid blocking if updates are less frequent."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-The client and server use the Initial packet type for any packet that contains
-an initial cryptographic handshake message. This includes all cases where a new
-packet containing the initial cryptographic message needs to be created, such as
-the packets sent after receiving a Version Negotiation ({{packet-version}}) or
-Retry packet ({{packet-retry}}).
+### Blocking on Flow Control {#blocking}

This belongs under the data limit increments section, not the stream limit increments.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-A server sends its first Initial packet in response to a client Initial.  A
-server may send multiple Initial packets.  The cryptographic key exchange could
-require multiple round trips or retransmissions of this data.
+If a sender does not receive a MAX_DATA or MAX_STREAM_DATA frame when it has run
+out of flow control credit, the sender will be blocked and SHOULD send a BLOCKED

"[...] the sender will be unable to send new data. That is, the sender it blocked. A blocked sender SHOULD send a STREAM_BLOCKED or BLOCKED frame."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-## Initial Packet {#packet-initial}
+### Response to a RST_STREAM

I think that we can drop this heading. It fits well-enough into the preceding section.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Token Length:
+## Stream Limit Increment

See comment above in stream concurrency section.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-: The most significant bit (0x80) of octet 0 (the first octet) is set to 1 for
-  long headers.
+An endpoint limits the number of concurrently active incoming streams by
+adjusting the maximum stream ID.  An initial value is set in the transport
+parameters (see {{transport-parameter-definitions}}) and is subsequently
+increased by MAX_STREAM_ID frames (see {{frame-max-stream-id}}).

I think that we need to forward reference the section on increasing stream concurrency instead of transport parameters and whatnot. Move this last sentence to that section and replace with a forward reference here.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-The payload of an Initial packet includes a CRYPTO frame (or frames) containing
-a cryptographic handshake message, ACK frames, or both.  PADDING and
-CONNECTION_CLOSE frames are also permitted.  An endpoint that receives an
-Initial packet containing other frames can either discard the packet as spurious
-or treat it as a connection error.
+For smooth operation of the congestion controller, it is generally considered

There are many reasons we don't want a peer to become blocked. Do we have to pick just one?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-When a server receives an Initial packet with an address validation token, it
-SHOULD attempt to validate it.  If the token is invalid then the server SHOULD
-proceed as if the client did not have a validated address, including potentially
-sending a Retry. If the validation succeeds, the server SHOULD then allow the
-handshake to proceed (see {{stateless-retry}}).
+Each connection possesses a set of identifiers, any of which could be used to
+distinguish it from other connections.  Connection IDs are selected
+independently in each direction.  Each Connection ID has an associated sequence
+number to assist in deduplicating messages.

Move this last sentence to the "issuing" section below. It's not important enough to be right up here.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

"[...] by an endpoint is sent in the Source Connection ID field of the long packet header ({{...}}) during the handshake."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

We are missing a paragraph on failed packet protection removal here. We probably want that.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

Circular reference. I think that we need to say

[...] matched to a connection using the connection ID or - for packets with zero-length connection IDs - the address tuple. If the packet doesn't match an existing connection, the server continues below.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

We can remove this requirement now that we have Retry and the token stuff.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

The first CRYPTO frame from a client

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

Are we at 1232, or 1200?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

"The sequence numbers used by CRYPTO frames to ensure ordered delivery of cryptographic handshake data start from zero in each packet number space."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

No EOED any more.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

We need text leading into this diagram as well. Something like "{{tls-0rtt-handshake}} shows the same handshake with 0-RTT data added."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

0..2^16-1 now that we don't mandate use of any parameters.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

s/encode the/describe the encoding of/

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

We should include original_connection_id here as well?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

Merge max_*_streams into the other list.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

"Address validation is used by QUIC to avoid being used for a traffic amplification attack." - and strike the first paragraph entirely. Then make the change I suggest below.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

The primary defense against amplification attack is verifying that a client is able to receive packets at the transport address that it claims. QUIC also requires that clients send UDP datagrams with at least 1200 octets of payload until the server has completed address validation. A server can thereby send more data to an unproven addresses without increasing the amplification advantage gained by an attacker.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

should this be "As long as it is not possible for an attacker to guess a valid token for their address ..." ?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

Split paragraph before "Because".

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

Add: "The only requirement is that a valid token be difficult to guess for an attacker."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

Strike this paragraph. It's wrong now.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

We should add: "A resumption token SHOULD be easily distinguishable from tokens that are sent in Retry packets as they are carried in the same field."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

This belongs somewhere else now, but I don't know where just yet.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

I think that we want this to be heading 1. It's under the cryptographic handshake, but I think that it logically belongs before it. That's unfortunate, because I'd really like to have an overview of the handshake up front. Perhaps we need a new "Connection Lifecycle Overview" section ahead of all this stuff.

If we make this a top-level section, then you can cover the two aspects of address validation in the one section: this section covers the handshake, then you have the explicit validation stuff that migration relies on. A brief intro can explain that there are two mechanisms and why.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

s/For instance,/In particular,/ -- these are good practices we want to encourage. Also, using "For instance" in this way might be read to imply that STREAM is verboten. It's not, it's just that you don't really want to rely on it.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

"Initiating Path Validation" is better - it's easy to lose necessary context when jumping around, and "Initiation" is very generic.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

"[...] MAY send multiple PATH_CHALLENGE frames to guard against loss."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

"Successful Path Validation"

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

"Path Validation Responses"

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

s/, with the following stipulation. Since/. However, because/

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

s/MAY/MUST/g

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

s/: from/. That is, from/

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

"Failed Path Validation"

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

Path validation only fails when the endpoint attempting to validate the path abandons its attempt to validate the path.

Endpoints SHOULD abandon path validation based on a timer. When setting this timer [...]

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

When an endpoint abandons path validation, it determines that the path is unusable. This does not [...]

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

s/QUIC/The use of a connection ID/

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

NAT rebinding is not connection migration as defined in this section, though endpoints SHOULD perform path validation ({{migrate-validate}}) if they detect a change in a remote address.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

Maybe we should reiterate that this won't include non-probing frames here.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

s/frames other than probing/non-probing/

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

I think that we can put this under migration safely.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

"at any time after it accepts a connection." Handshake completion is not a prerequisite because the client will believe that the handshake is complete before the server does.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

I don't think that we want special rules here, so we should use "probing"/"non-probing" terms. This looks like it is creating special rules, where I don't think we need any. It's only this sentence, the rest is good.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

s/to//

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

Can we move this under the Acknowledgments section? We really need to break this section up a little better, but I can't comment on it here, so I'll come back to this.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+In the closing state, only a packet containing a closing frame can be sent.  An

This first sentence is duplicative, maybe drop it and merge this paragraph with the previous.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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-An endpoint also MUST NOT initiate connection migration if the peer sent the
-`disable_migration` transport parameter during the handshake.  An endpoint which
-has sent this transport parameter, but detects that a peer has nonetheless
-migrated to a different network MAY treat this as a connection error of type
-INVALID_MIGRATION.
+This design relies on the peer always sending a connection ID in its packets so
+that the endpoint can use the connection ID from a packet to reset the
+connection.  An endpoint that uses this design MUST either use the same
+connection ID length for all connections or encode the length of the connection
+ID such that it can be recovered without state.  In addition, it MUST NOT

s/MUST NOT/cannot/

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-When migrating, the new path might not support the endpoint's current sending
-rate. Therefore, the endpoint resets its congestion controller, as described in
-{{migration-cc}}.
+Any QUIC packet, with the exception of the Version Negotiation packet, has

I think that we can make this multiple paragraphs. It's also lacking a little bit of context. How about:

QUIC endpoints communicate by exchanging packets. Packets are carried in UDP datagrams (see {{packet-coalesce}}) and have confidentiality and integrity protection (see {{packet-protected}}).

This version of QUIC uses the long packet header (see {{header-long}}) during connection establishment and the short header (see {{header-short}}) once 1-RTT keys have been established.

Packets that carry the long header are Initial [...].

Packets with the short header are designed for minimal overhead and are used after a connection is established.

Version negotiation uses a packet with a special format (see {{packet-version}}).

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+All QUIC packets use packet protection.  Packets that are protected with the

This bit could be a better, I think.

All QUIC packets except Version Negotiation and Retry packets use authenticated encryption with additional data (AEAD) {{!RFC5119}} to provide confidentiality and integrity protection. Details of packet protection are found in {{QUIC-TLS}}; this section includes an overview of the process.

Initial packets are protected using keys that are statically derived. This packet protection is not effective confidentiality protection, it only exists to ensure that the sender of the packet is on the network path. Any entity that receives the Initial packet from a client can recover the keys necessary to remove packet protection or to generate packets that will be successfully authenticated.

All other packets are protected with keys derived from the cryptographic handshake. The type of the packet from the long header or key phase from the short header are used to identify which encryption level - and therefore the keys - that are used. Packets protected with 0-RTT and 1-RTT keys are expected to have confidentiality and data origin authentication; the cryptographic handshake ensures that only the communicating endpoints receive the corresponding keys.

That covers the first few paragraphs here.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-An endpoint MAY send data to an unvalidated peer address, but it MUST protect
-against potential attacks as described in {{address-spoofing}} and
-{{on-path-spoofing}}.  An endpoint MAY skip validation of a peer address if that
-address has been seen recently.
+The version field for protected packets is the current QUIC version.

I don't think that we need to say this.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-In response to such a packet, an endpoint MUST start sending subsequent packets
-to the new peer address and MUST initiate path validation ({{migrate-validate}})
-to verify the peer's ownership of the unvalidated address.
+Packets protected with 0-RTT keys use a type value of 0x7C.  The connection ID
+fields for a 0-RTT packet MUST match the values used in the Initial packet
+({{packet-initial}}).

We can drop this paragraph.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-After changing the address to which it sends non-probing packets, an endpoint
-could abandon any path validation for other addresses.
+The payload is protected using authenticated encryption.  {{QUIC-TLS}} describes
+packet protection in detail.  After decryption, the plaintext consists of a
+sequence of frames, as described in {{frames}}.

With the above edits, this paragraph is redundant too.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
+A sender can coalesce multiple QUIC packets (typically a Cryptographic Handshake
+packet and a Protected packet) into one UDP datagram.  This can reduce the

"Cryptographic Handshake" and "Protected" aren't defined terms. I would drop the parenthetical.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
+A sender can coalesce multiple QUIC packets (typically a Cryptographic Handshake
+packet and a Protected packet) into one UDP datagram.  This can reduce the
+number of UDP datagrams needed to send application data during the handshake and
+immediately afterwards. It is not necessary for senders to coalesce

[...] number of UDP datagrams needed to complete the cryptographic handshake and starting sending data.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
+A sender can coalesce multiple QUIC packets (typically a Cryptographic Handshake
+packet and a Protected packet) into one UDP datagram.  This can reduce the
+number of UDP datagrams needed to send application data during the handshake and
+immediately afterwards. It is not necessary for senders to coalesce
+packets, though failing to do so will require sending a significantly
+larger number of datagrams during the handshake. Receivers MUST

Strike the "It is not necessary" sentence. The benefits speak for themselves without making hard to test assertions ("significantly larger" doesn't really help, the actual amount is pretty simple to work out).

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-It is possible that a peer is spoofing its source address to cause an endpoint
-to send excessive amounts of data to an unwilling host.  If the endpoint sends
-significantly more data than the spoofing peer, connection migration might be
-used to amplify the volume of data that an attacker can generate toward a
-victim.
+Senders MUST NOT coalesce QUIC packets with different Destination Connection
+IDs into a single UDP datagram. Receivers SHOULD ignore any subsequent packets

s/with different Destination Connection IDs/for different connections/

Yes, this introduces pretty strong linkability (maybe) for multiple different connection IDs, but we tripped up against this in NYC and the requirement is same-connection, not same-connection-id.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -congestion window's worth of data per estimated round-trip time (kMinimumWindow,
-as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}).  In the absence of this limit, an endpoint
-risks being used for a denial of service attack against an unsuspecting victim.
-Note that since the endpoint will not have any round-trip time measurements to
-this address, the estimate SHOULD be the default initial value (see
-{{QUIC-RECOVERY}}).
+Every QUIC packet that is coalesced into a single UDP datagram is separate and
+complete.  Though the values of some fields in the packet header might be
+redundant, no fields are omitted.  The receiver of coalesced QUIC packets MUST
+individually process each QUIC packet and separately acknowledge them, as if
+they were received as the payload of different UDP datagrams.  If one or more
+packets in a datagram cannot be processed yet (because the keys are not yet
+available) or processing fails (decryption failure, unknown type, etc.), the
+receiver MUST still attempt to process the remaining packets.  The skipped
+packets MAY either be discarded or buffered for later processing, just as if the
+packets were received out-of-order in separate datagrams.

Note to transfer #1844 here once that resolves.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-If an endpoint skips validation of a peer address as described in
-{{migration-response}}, it does not need to limit its sending rate.
+Retry ({{packet-retry}}) and Version Negotiation ({{packet-version}}) packets
+cannot be coalesced.

Should we change this to say that Retry packets, VN packets, and packets with a short header cannot be followed by other packets in the same datagram? Because you could technically put Retry after an Initial, as much as that doesn't make any sense.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 
-#### Handling Address Spoofing by an On-path Attacker {#on-path-spoofing}
+## Connection ID Encoding

I think that we can merge this section with the earlier section on connection IDs or maybe the handshaking section (because it deals with negotiating connection ID). It's got some good stuff, but it doesn't really belong here.

Also, the title should be "Negotiating Connection IDs" or something like that.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-This eliminates the use of the connection ID for linking activity from
-the same connection on different networks.  Protection of packet numbers ensures
-that packet numbers cannot be used to correlate activity.  This does not prevent
-other properties of packets, such as timing and size, from being used to
-correlate activity.
+A Version Negotiation packet ({{packet-version}}) does not include a packet
+number.  The Retry packet ({{packet-retry}}) has special rules for populating
+the packet number field.

Bug: Retry doesn't have a packet number either.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Using a stable connection ID on multiple network paths allows a passive observer
-to correlate activity between those paths.  An endpoint that moves between
-networks might not wish to have their activity correlated by any entity other
-than their peer, so different connection IDs are used when sending from
-different local addresses, as discussed in {{connection-id}}.  For this to be
-effective endpoints need to ensure that connections IDs they provide cannot be
-linked by any other entity.
+The packet number is an integer in the range 0 to 2^62-1, present in all long

Same comment as before regarding the 2^62 thing. Also, packet numbers are not present in all packets.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Migrating a connection to a new server address mid-connection is left for future
-work. If a client receives packets from a new server address not indicated by
-the preferred_address transport parameter, the client SHOULD discard these
-packets.
+In the QUIC long and short packet headers, the number of bits required to

I think that we need to move this paragraph and the table, maybe a little more to the "Packet Formats" section, with a forward reference from here. This is very much bits and bytes.

I think that there are two sections: Packet Number Encoding, and Packet Number Recovery.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Once the handshake is finished, the client SHOULD initiate path validation (see
-{{migrate-validate}}) of the server's preferred address using the connection ID
-provided in the preferred_address transport parameter.
+The encoded packet number is protected as described in Section 5.3

missing "of": Section 5.3 of {{QUIC-TLS}}

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Once the handshake is finished, the client SHOULD initiate path validation (see
-{{migrate-validate}}) of the server's preferred address using the connection ID
-provided in the preferred_address transport parameter.
+The encoded packet number is protected as described in Section 5.3

This starts the section of Packet Number Recovery, which belongs below, I think.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
+The sender MUST use a packet number size able to represent more than twice as

Packet number encoding again, I think.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-The server SHOULD also initiate path validation of the client using its
-preferred address and the address from which it received the client probe.  This
-helps to guard against spurious migration initiated by an attacker.
+A receiver MUST discard a newly unprotected packet unless it is certain that it

We should keep this up-top. It's important.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-### Interaction of Client Migration and Preferred Address
+The payload of all packets, after removing packet protection, consists of a

Not all packets have frames. We need to finesse this a little.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-### Interaction of Client Migration and Preferred Address
+The payload of all packets, after removing packet protection, consists of a
+sequence of frames, as shown in {{packet-frames}}.  Version Negotiation and
+Stateless Reset do not contain frames.

Nor does Retry.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Connections should remain open until they become idle for a pre-negotiated
-period of time.  A QUIC connection, once established, can be terminated in one
-of three ways:
+| Type Value  | Frame Type Name      | Definition                     |
+|:------------|:---------------------|:-------------------------------|
+| 0x00        | PADDING              | {{frame-padding}}              |

Let's reorder these too, but after this big shuffle.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-The draining state is entered once an endpoint receives a signal that its peer
-is closing or draining.  While otherwise identical to the closing state, an
-endpoint in the draining state MUST NOT send any packets.  Retaining packet
-protection keys is unnecessary once a connection is in the draining state.
+A sender SHOULD minimize per-packet bandwidth and computational costs by

This SHOULD isn't an interop requirement, I think that can s/SHOULD minimize/minimizes/

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Disposing of connection state prior to the end

Do we need to say anything about partial processing. And our expectations about what implementations do with packets that have errors after valid frames?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Disposing of connection state prior to the end

I think that we can strike this implicit bit now.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Disposing of connection state prior to the end

We should put the varint encoding right at the top of this section. It already deals with network byte order, so the extra text on integer encoding naturally fits.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Disposing of connection state prior to the end

Do we use this convention? I tend to call the MSB bit 0 myself...

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Disposing of connection state prior to the end

We can probably drop this and say that "The Length field enables packet coalescing ({{packet-coalesce}})." in the preceding paragraph instead.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Disposing of connection state prior to the end

missing close paren

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Disposing of connection state prior to the end

Maybe as a follow-up we can fix the description of the long header. We have 3 formats and only 2 of the 4 types use the generic format we show here. Not sure what to do about it exactly, but it's a little confusing to have such a high amount of variance from what we put forth as the baseline format. The same applies when implementing this.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Disposing of connection state prior to the end

I think that we need to break this stuff up a little. Maybe this is as simple as having "Sending Retry" and "Processing Retry" sections, but it's pretty hard to access right now.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Disposing of connection state prior to the end

I don't think that this sub-heading helps any. Initial and Handshake don't share a format and don't really need to have a lead-in. More critically, I think that Initial belongs before Retry (and Version Negotiation even).

The text that is here probably belongs with the connection establishment section.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Disposing of connection state prior to the end

This can go with Initial packets.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Disposing of connection state prior to the end

Remember that I mentioned a "Negotiating Connection IDs" section above. Merge this with that section. I don't think that it belongs in the nuts-and-bolts sections.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Disposing of connection state prior to the end

This can be moved to the address validation section.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Disposing of connection state prior to the end

We covered this in packet number spaces already. Maybe it can go.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Disposing of connection state prior to the end

Move to section on packet number sizes. (I think that it can be deleted now).

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Disposing of connection state prior to the end

Thus far, we have not really addressed 0-RTT at all. We don't even really say much about what it is for. This really belongs in a section for that, probably right after the example handshake exchanges.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Disposing of connection state prior to the end

This is old text, I think. It doesn't even mention Initial, which we now need before any Handshake packets can be sent.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Disposing of connection state prior to the end

Move this and the next paragraph to address validation section.

We might also need a xref from the packet size section to that section as well.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Disposing of connection state prior to the end

We use this encoding in packet headers, so this really needs to be earlier, as I said.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -208,1721 +217,1890 @@ x (*) ...
 : Indicates that x is variable-length

This section on encoding and pictures could be moved much later in the document. We don't really use this until we start describing the wire format, and if we had a section on notation conventions before we got into packet formats and the like, we could put this with the note on network byte order and varint encoding.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Disposing of connection state prior to the end

Error codes and versions.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-# Packetization and Reliability {#packetization}
+Transmission errors, timeouts and retransmissions might cause the same
+NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame to be received multiple times.  Receipt of the same
+frame multiple times MUST NOT be treated as a connection error.  A receiver can
+use the sequence number supplied in the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame to identify new
+connection IDs from old ones.

I think that we can remove the first two sentences of this paragraph. They are vestiges of the design prior to us putting sequence numbers back in.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -signal that it wishes to abandon transmission of stream data.  Similarly, the
-endpoint might receive a STOP_SENDING frame from its peer.  In either case, the
-endpoint sends a RST_STREAM frame, which causes the stream to enter the "Reset
-Sent" state.
-
-An endpoint MAY send a RST_STREAM as the first frame on a send stream; this
-causes the send stream to open and then immediately transition to the "Reset
-Sent" state.
-
-Once a packet containing a RST_STREAM has been acknowledged, the send stream
-enters the "Reset Recvd" state, which is a terminal state.
-
-
-### Receive Stream States {#stream-recv-states}
-
-{{fig-s

We should move the remainder of this section to the acknowledgments section.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -signal that it wishes to abandon transmission of stream data.  Similarly, the
-endpoint might receive a STOP_SENDING frame from its peer.  In either case, the
-endpoint sends a RST_STREAM frame, which causes the stream to enter the "Reset
-Sent" state.
-
-An endpoint MAY send a RST_STREAM as the first frame on a send stream; this
-causes the send stream to open and then immediately transition to the "Reset
-Sent" state.
-
-Once a packet containing a RST_STREAM has been acknowledged, the send stream
-enters the "Reset Recvd" state, which is a terminal state.
-
-
-### Receive Stream States {#stream-recv-states}
-
-{{fig-s

Same here.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -signal that it wishes to abandon transmission of stream data.  Similarly, the
-endpoint might receive a STOP_SENDING frame from its peer.  In either case, the
-endpoint sends a RST_STREAM frame, which causes the stream to enter the "Reset
-Sent" state.
-
-An endpoint MAY send a RST_STREAM as the first frame on a send stream; this
-causes the send stream to open and then immediately transition to the "Reset
-Sent" state.
-
-Once a packet containing a RST_STREAM has been acknowledged, the send stream
-enters the "Reset Recvd" state, which is a terminal state.
-
-
-### Receive Stream States {#stream-recv-states}
-
-{{fig-s

This paragraph and the next probably belong in the packetization section.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -960,12 +960,10 @@ Every QUIC packet that is coalesced into a single UDP datagram is separate and
 complete.  Though the values of some fields in the packet header might be
 redundant, no fields are omitted.  The receiver of coalesced QUIC packets MUST
 individually process each QUIC packet and separately acknowledge them, as if
-they were received as the payload of different UDP datagrams.  If one or more
-packets in a datagram cannot be processed yet (because the keys are not yet
-available) or processing fails (decryption failure, unknown type, etc.), the
-receiver MUST still attempt to process the remaining packets.  The skipped
-packets MAY either be discarded or buffered for later processing, just as if the
-packets were received out-of-order in separate datagrams.
+they were received as the payload of separate UDP datagrams.  For example, if
+decryption fails (the keys are not yet available or any other reason) or the
+packet is of an unknown type, the receiver MAY either discard or buffer the

That sounds good. Want to port that over to #1857?

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -718,15 +718,15 @@ safe to process the rest of the block.  If Largest Reference is greater than
 zero, the encoder transforms it as follows before encoding:
 
 ~~~
-   LargestReference = LargestReference mod 2*MaxEntries + 1
+   LargestReference = LargestReference mod (2*MaxEntries) + 1

I mean the latter. I can add more parentheses.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -960,12 +960,10 @@ Every QUIC packet that is coalesced into a single UDP datagram is separate and
 complete.  Though the values of some fields in the packet header might be
 redundant, no fields are omitted.  The receiver of coalesced QUIC packets MUST
 individually process each QUIC packet and separately acknowledge them, as if
-they were received as the payload of different UDP datagrams.  If one or more
-packets in a datagram cannot be processed yet (because the keys are not yet
-available) or processing fails (decryption failure, unknown type, etc.), the
-receiver MUST still attempt to process the remaining packets.  The skipped
-packets MAY either be discarded or buffered for later processing, just as if the
-packets were received out-of-order in separate datagrams.
+they were received as the payload of separate UDP datagrams.  For example, if
+decryption fails (the keys are not yet available or any other reason) or the
+packet is of an unknown type, the receiver MAY either discard or buffer the

I would omit "yet". "Yet" implies knowing that it will be possible to decrypt the packet in the future. It is hard to know the future.

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----==_mimepart_5bc4b22ebc8cc_7d213ff302cd45bc199932-- From nobody Mon Oct 15 09:30:50 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B4A1130EBC for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2018 09:30:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.351 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.351 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.351, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SNwNUWMvJR86 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2018 09:30:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 75E24130DC4 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2018 09:30:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 09:30:43 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539621043; bh=3r148xQ5fmj3piKXdkq3zrgfOSNOYXn44jjDCYgvhic=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=JB7WTG5P8z78fXPxBrvc9csR1geG2a6wBy1Reo+FD3uTSb+sbOzO4LLe815ZGqTW0 1UAY1MgYAXVWoQF22VzEUvREs1Bj8cFtk7ALX4BnW67g/vbgzCJdi3I73McZ7ApJfT dfWWx1htRnz9pmBFE23lMuPtV9EpF1jAsrcpru1U= From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Resume HTTP/2 TLS from QUIC ? (#941) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bc4c0b3550c6_5fb53ff0356d45c44342bf"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 16:30:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bc4c0b3550c6_5fb53ff0356d45c44342bf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Right now, QUIC operates over UDP but I'd like to think we build HTTP over QUIC implementations that are functional without any knowledge of the protocol under QUIC (e.g. QUIC over CAN bus). As defined in the spec, QUIC operates over UDP. The question, as I see it, is if servers are able to demultiplex an incoming connection to the correct TLS and application. It's evident to me that we can demultiplex on the protocol number (or, the protocol of the listening socket, if we don't have access to IP header contents). This helps solve an immediate problem with adoption. I'm not sure that QUIC-over-something-weird is in the same class. If this is the only issue, we can always switch the ALPN code in v2 to support more complicated use cases, once browsers are routinely trying QUIC when they connect. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/941#issuecomment-429923070 ----==_mimepart_5bc4c0b3550c6_5fb53ff0356d45c44342bf Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Right now, QUIC operates over UDP but I'd like to think we build HTTP = over QUIC implementations that are functional without any knowledge of th= e protocol under QUIC (e.g. QUIC over CAN bus).

As defined in the spec, QUIC operates over UDP. The question, as I see= it, is if servers are able to demultiplex an incoming connection to the = correct TLS and application. It's evident to me that we can demultiplex o= n the protocol number (or, the protocol of the listening socket, if we do= n't have access to IP header contents).

This helps solve an immediate problem with adoption. I'm not sure that= QUIC-over-something-weird is in the same class. If this is the only issu= e, we can always switch the ALPN code in v2 to support more complicated u= se cases, once browsers are routinely trying QUIC when they connect.

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I'm a bit confused which point your addressing @martinduke, my f= ault for throwing stupid ideas in. Is your line of thought that a dispatche= r would two classes {h2, TCP} and {h2, UDP} to make the decision. Exposing= the protocol information seems like some layering leakage to me, but it is= powerful so maybe warrants it?

The mismatch between advertising hq and then using h2= seems like an avenue for interop issues. Perhaps one could define a= n Alt-Svc param that indicates the protocol type e.g. Alt-Svc: h2=3D"= :443"; proto=3Dudp. A bog-standard HTTP/2 client would simply ignore= the param and try TLS/TCP.

P.S. From direct experience, I've had quite a lot of success delivering = QUIC wire-format packets in all sorts of weird ways and our HTTP/QUIC layer= of code works amazingly well because it doesn't care how they were deliver= ed.

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Please, I'm the one messing with stuff I barely understand. What I was missing is that the alt-svc name is the same as the ALPN name. Yes, that makes this quite difficult without rewriting other RFCs. Grrr.

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This replaces #1842 and tries to fix everything to consistently use crypto packets instead of handshake packets.

Fixes #1836.

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  • Replace handshake with crypto

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -664,6 +664,18 @@ packets are protected with connection- and version-specific keys
 provide confidentiality or integrity against on-path attackers, but
 provides some level of protection against off-path attackers.
 
+Servers MUST NOT send more than three times as many bytes as the number of bytes
+received prior to verifying the client's address.  Source addresses can be
+verified through an address validation token (delivered via a Retry packet or
+a NEW_TOKEN frame) or by processing any message from the client encrypted using
+the Handshake keys.  This limit exists to mitigate amplification attacks.
+
+In order to prevent this limit causing a handshake deadlock, the client SHOULD
+always send a packet upon a handshake timeout, as described in

Bump. Also, I'm not sure what the status of this is now that the restructure PR is outstanding?

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A variable-length integer indicating the maximum stream ID when the sender was unable to open a stream.

That makes it closer to the effective definition of the other limits. Then we need to modify the others to match.

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Below, the term "handshake -packet" is used to refer to packets containing CRYPTO frames, not packets with -the specific long header packet type Handshake. +more aggressive timeout is used to retransmit it. Below, the term "crypto +packet" is used to refer to packets containing CRYPTO frames. We should further qualify this: "Handshake or Initial packets containing CRYPTO frames", because CRYPTO frames after the handshake completes don't require special handling. > When a connection has unacknowledged handshake data, the handshake timer is -set and when it expires, all unacknowledgedd handshake data is retransmitted. +set and when it expires, all unacknowledgedd CRYPTO data is retransmitted. typo: dd > -The initial handshake timeout SHOULD be set to twice the initial RTT. +The initial crypto timeout SHOULD be set to twice the initial RTT. Can we rename this? I initially assumed that the handshake would be abandoned when this fires. It's a crypto retransmission timeout (a term you already use). > loss_detection_timer.set( - time_of_last_sent_handshake_packet + timeout) + time_of_last_sent_crypto_packet + timeout) return; extra semi-colon > loss_detection_timer.set( - time_of_last_sent_handshake_packet + timeout) + time_of_last_sent_crypto_packet + timeout) return; else if (loss_time != 0): No need for an else after a return -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1859#pullrequestreview-164915515 ----==_mimepart_5bc512b961e33_5c6a3ff0356d45c415787aa Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@martinthomson approved this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -302,11 +302,10 @@ Retransmission Timeout mechanisms.
 ### Crypto Handshake Timeout
 
 Data in CRYPTO frames is critical to QUIC transport and crypto negotiation, so a
-more aggressive timeout is used to retransmit it.  Below, the term "handshake
-packet" is used to refer to packets containing CRYPTO frames, not packets with
-the specific long header packet type Handshake.
+more aggressive timeout is used to retransmit it.  Below, the term "crypto
+packet" is used to refer to packets containing CRYPTO frames.

We should further qualify this: "Handshake or Initial packets containing CRYPTO frames", because CRYPTO frames after the handshake completes don't require special handling.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
 When a connection has unacknowledged handshake data, the handshake timer is
-set and when it expires, all unacknowledgedd handshake data is retransmitted.
+set and when it expires, all unacknowledgedd CRYPTO data is retransmitted.

typo: dd

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-The initial handshake timeout SHOULD be set to twice the initial RTT.
+The initial crypto timeout SHOULD be set to twice the initial RTT.

Can we rename this? I initially assumed that the handshake would be abandoned when this fires. It's a crypto retransmission timeout (a term you already use).

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>        loss_detection_timer.set(
-        time_of_last_sent_handshake_packet + timeout)
+        time_of_last_sent_crypto_packet + timeout)
       return;

extra semi-colon

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>        loss_detection_timer.set(
-        time_of_last_sent_handshake_packet + timeout)
+        time_of_last_sent_crypto_packet + timeout)
       return;
     else if (loss_time != 0):

No need for an else after a return

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Can you rebase this to #1857? Alternatively, wait a bit until that PR lands and then update this PR.

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LGTM, modulo @martinthomson 's suggestions, which are all fine with me.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -302,11 +302,10 @@ Retransmission Timeout mechanisms.
 ### Crypto Handshake Timeout
 
 Data in CRYPTO frames is critical to QUIC transport and crypto negotiation, so a
-more aggressive timeout is used to retransmit it.  Below, the term "handshake
-packet" is used to refer to packets containing CRYPTO frames, not packets with
-the specific long header packet type Handshake.
+more aggressive timeout is used to retransmit it.  Below, the term "crypto
+packet" is used to refer to packets containing CRYPTO frames.

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Huh. @martinthomson: I thought so too, but I obviously seem to have missed reading the part saying "otherwise, it validates that the transport parameter is absent". I agree that this is addressed.

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I'll close this issue, since it seems that the original issue is in fact addressed. Open again if you disagree or want to see something else done.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -302,11 +302,10 @@ Retransmission Timeout mechanisms.
 ### Crypto Handshake Timeout
 
 Data in CRYPTO frames is critical to QUIC transport and crypto negotiation, so a
-more aggressive timeout is used to retransmit it.  Below, the term "handshake
-packet" is used to refer to packets containing CRYPTO frames, not packets with
-the specific long header packet type Handshake.
+more aggressive timeout is used to retransmit it.  Below, the term "crypto
+packet" is used to refer to packets containing CRYPTO frames.

Done, but is the term "handshake complete" well-defined? I wanted to use long header packets, but I realized that the CFIN is head of line blocking :(

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-The initial handshake timeout SHOULD be set to twice the initial RTT.
+The initial crypto timeout SHOULD be set to twice the initial RTT.

I went with consistently using crypto handshake timeout, because I think it reads well and is consistent, but I can change it to something else if you prefer.

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@martinthomson approved this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -302,11 +302,11 @@ Retransmission Timeout mechanisms.
 ### Crypto Handshake Timeout
 
 Data in CRYPTO frames is critical to QUIC transport and crypto negotiation, so a
-more aggressive timeout is used to retransmit it.  Below, the term "handshake
-packet" is used to refer to packets containing CRYPTO frames, not packets with
-the specific long header packet type Handshake.
+more aggressive timeout is used to retransmit it.  Below, the term "crypto
+packet" is used to refer to packets containing CRYPTO frames that are part of
+the handshake.

Better to say "Initial and Handshake" explicitly.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-The initial handshake timeout SHOULD be set to twice the initial RTT.
+The initial crypto handshake timeout SHOULD be set to twice the initial RTT.

initial crypto retransmission timeout

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I agree with @afrind, but I also think this largely invalidates any e= ffort to not expose stream IDs from the transport layer to the application(= ie: HTTP) layer?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3254,8 +3254,8 @@ The STREAM_ID_BLOCKED frame contains a single field.
 
 Stream ID:
 
-: A variable-length integer indicating the highest stream ID that the sender
-  was permitted to open.
+: A variable-length integer indicating the maximum stream ID of the streams that

nit: I would remove "of the streams that" because I think it makes this sentence less clear.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-The client and server use the Initial packet type for any packet that contains
-an initial cryptographic handshake message. This includes all cases where a new
-packet containing the initial cryptographic message needs to be created, such as
-the packets sent after receiving a Version Negotiation ({{packet-version}}) or
-Retry packet ({{packet-retry}}).
+### Blocking on Flow Control {#blocking}

I'm merging this subsection into the data limits increment section

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -664,6 +664,18 @@ packets are protected with connection- and version-specific keys
 provide confidentiality or integrity against on-path attackers, but
 provides some level of protection against off-path attackers.
 
+Servers MUST NOT send more than three times as many bytes as the number of bytes
+received prior to verifying the client's address.  Source addresses can be
+verified through an address validation token (delivered via a Retry packet or
+a NEW_TOKEN frame) or by processing any message from the client encrypted using
+the Handshake keys.  This limit exists to mitigate amplification attacks.
+
+In order to prevent this limit causing a handshake deadlock, the client SHOULD
+always send a packet upon a handshake timeout, as described in

How exactly is number of bytes measures?

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Currently, it's the transport draft that mentions ACK-sending behaviour for ACK-only packets:

Implementations MUST NOT generate packets that only contain ACK
frames in response to packets which only contain ACK and PADDING
frames.

and

To avoid creating an indefinite
feedback loop, an endpoint MUST NOT send an ACK frame in response to
a packet containing only ACK or PADDING frames, even if there are
packet gaps which precede the received packet.

and

Because ACK frames are not sent in response to ACK-only packets, a
receiver that is only sending ACK frames will only receive
acknowledgements for its packets if the sender includes them in
packets with non-ACK frames. A sender SHOULD bundle ACK frames with
other frames when possible.

This feels like it should be moved or at least mentioned again in the recovery document (e.g., in the current 4.4 Generating Acknowledgements).

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----==_mimepart_5bc5ea08e5e89_28983fe54aad45c032925b-- From nobody Tue Oct 16 10:39:11 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28766130E17 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 10:39:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.064, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GK4eiFaiNH2u for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 10:39:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1EA1D124C04 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 10:39:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 10:39:06 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539711546; bh=Bxb9WNtQg3PQsLlkmw7Gg6d9FLZxhSj0ZhEHgQuKSF4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=rHLzogWHedrxTfxaQ9Va+0VQvYgV4VZ5kds+KcUR1AeIkYE0peYo68JAqtJq9gn2X 31QsavNgeKK9y+dZ+Zofupbyj/c5e8iPq5emJfQETs2J5fbaOmzUKQdTtY7KOnMriX qH0D3zwfqjiEtkWdDjIZrcm6UUczn+PY+7puNsHY= From: Subodh Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Asymmetry in the handling of SETTINGS frame (#1846) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bc6223ad7d51_5ac63fdf428d45bc602824"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: siyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 17:39:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bc6223ad7d51_5ac63fdf428d45bc602824 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One alternative might be to use transport settings to negotiate these. Transport settings have the nice property of being used for both 0-rtt and as well as 1-rtt data. It is also an explicit synchronization point for this kind of stuff vs having to deal with cases of what would happen if the SETTINGS frame was lost. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1846#issuecomment-430329202 ----==_mimepart_5bc6223ad7d51_5ac63fdf428d45bc602824 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

One alternative might be to use transport settings to negotiate these.= Transport settings have the nice property of being used for both 0-rtt a= nd as well as 1-rtt data. It is also an explicit synchronization point fo= r this kind of stuff vs having to deal with cases of what would happen if= the SETTINGS frame was lost.

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This still seems to be somewhat inconsistent with the use of new names. "Crypto handshake timeout" vs. "crypto retransmission timeout" vs. "crypto timeout period," for example. Similarly "Crypto handshake timer" vs. "crypto retransmission timer." I'd pick one of each and use it consistently. > -CRYPTO data by calling RetransmitAllUnackedHandshakeData(). On each -consecutive expiration of the handshake timer without receiving an -acknowledgement for a new packet, the sender SHOULD double the handshake timeout -and set a timer for this period. +smoothed RTT value as the resumed connection's initial RTT. If no previous RTT +is available, or if the network changes, the initial RTT SHOULD be set to 100ms. +When an acknowledgement is received, a new RTT is computed and the timer +SHOULD be set for twice the newly computed smoothed RTT. + +When CRYPTO frames are sent in Initial or Handshake packets, the sender SHOULD +set a timer for the crypto timeout period. Upon timeout, the sender MUST +retransmit all unacknowledged CRYPTO data by calling +RetransmitAllUnackedCryptoData(). On each consecutive expiration of the +crypto timer without receiving an acknowledgement for a new packet, the +sender SHOULD double the crypto handshake timeout and set a timer for this +period. When CRYPTO frames are outstanding, the TLP and RTO timers are not active unless the CRYPTO frames were sent at 1-RTT encryption. Now that you have a definition for "crypto packets" above which excludes 1-RTT, you could probably simplify this by saying that "When crypto packets are outstanding, the TLS and RTO timers are not active." > - -If no previous RTT is available, or if the network changes, the initial RTT -SHOULD be set to 100ms. - -When CRYPTO frames are sent, the sender SHOULD set a timer for the handshake -timeout period. Upon timeout, the sender MUST retransmit all unacknowledged -CRYPTO data by calling RetransmitAllUnackedHandshakeData(). On each -consecutive expiration of the handshake timer without receiving an -acknowledgement for a new packet, the sender SHOULD double the handshake timeout -and set a timer for this period. +smoothed RTT value as the resumed connection's initial RTT. If no previous RTT +is available, or if the network changes, the initial RTT SHOULD be set to 100ms. +When an acknowledgement is received, a new RTT is computed and the timer +SHOULD be set for twice the newly computed smoothed RTT. + +When CRYPTO frames are sent in Initial or Handshake packets, the sender SHOULD Likewise, you can condense to "When crypto packets are sent," > @@ -558,7 +557,7 @@ largest_sent_before_rto: time_of_last_sent_retransmittable_packet: : The time the most recent retransmittable packet was sent. -time_of_last_sent_handshake_packet: +time_of_last_sent_crypto_packet: : The time the most recent packet containing a CRYPTO frame was sent. 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This still seems to be somewhat inconsistent with the use of new names. "Crypto handshake timeout" vs. "crypto retransmission timeout" vs. "crypto timeout period," for example. Similarly "Crypto handshake timer" vs. "crypto retransmission timer." I'd pick one of each and use it consistently.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -CRYPTO data by calling RetransmitAllUnackedHandshakeData(). On each
-consecutive expiration of the handshake timer without receiving an
-acknowledgement for a new packet, the sender SHOULD double the handshake timeout
-and set a timer for this period.
+smoothed RTT value as the resumed connection's initial RTT.  If no previous RTT
+is available, or if the network changes, the initial RTT SHOULD be set to 100ms.
+When an acknowledgement is received, a new RTT is computed and the timer
+SHOULD be set for twice the newly computed smoothed RTT.
+
+When CRYPTO frames are sent in Initial or Handshake packets, the sender SHOULD
+set a timer for the crypto timeout period.  Upon timeout, the sender MUST
+retransmit all unacknowledged CRYPTO data by calling
+RetransmitAllUnackedCryptoData(). On each consecutive expiration of the
+crypto timer without receiving an acknowledgement for a new packet, the
+sender SHOULD double the crypto handshake timeout and set a timer for this
+period.
 
 When CRYPTO frames are outstanding, the TLP and RTO timers are not active unless
 the CRYPTO frames were sent at 1-RTT encryption.

Now that you have a definition for "crypto packets" above which excludes 1-RTT, you could probably simplify this by saying that "When crypto packets are outstanding, the TLS and RTO timers are not active."

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -
-If no previous RTT is available, or if the network changes, the initial RTT
-SHOULD be set to 100ms.
-
-When CRYPTO frames are sent, the sender SHOULD set a timer for the handshake
-timeout period.  Upon timeout, the sender MUST retransmit all unacknowledged
-CRYPTO data by calling RetransmitAllUnackedHandshakeData(). On each
-consecutive expiration of the handshake timer without receiving an
-acknowledgement for a new packet, the sender SHOULD double the handshake timeout
-and set a timer for this period.
+smoothed RTT value as the resumed connection's initial RTT.  If no previous RTT
+is available, or if the network changes, the initial RTT SHOULD be set to 100ms.
+When an acknowledgement is received, a new RTT is computed and the timer
+SHOULD be set for twice the newly computed smoothed RTT.
+
+When CRYPTO frames are sent in Initial or Handshake packets, the sender SHOULD

Likewise, you can condense to "When crypto packets are sent,"

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -558,7 +557,7 @@ largest_sent_before_rto:
 time_of_last_sent_retransmittable_packet:
 : The time the most recent retransmittable packet was sent.
 
-time_of_last_sent_handshake_packet:
+time_of_last_sent_crypto_packet:
 : The time the most recent packet containing a CRYPTO frame was sent.

This includes 1-RTT as currently defined, but I don't think you want it to.

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The line I've been trying to hold is that there shouldn't be a situati= on in which the application goes to the transport and says "Give me strea= m 7." It says "Give me a stream," then examines the result and discovers= it got 7. Using them as identifiers once they exist is fine, but they'r= e identifiers issued by and under the control of the transport.

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That seems like a good line, and in practice, it's about what our current implementation does. Thanks for clarifying Mike.

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@martinduke approved this pull request.

A couple of nits, but looks good to me.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -CRYPTO data by calling RetransmitAllUnackedHandshakeData(). On each
-consecutive expiration of the handshake timer without receiving an
-acknowledgement for a new packet, the sender SHOULD double the handshake timeout
-and set a timer for this period.
+smoothed RTT value as the resumed connection's initial RTT.  If no previous RTT
+is available, or if the network changes, the initial RTT SHOULD be set to 100ms.
+When an acknowledgement is received, a new RTT is computed and the timer
+SHOULD be set for twice the newly computed smoothed RTT.
+
+When CRYPTO frames are sent in Initial or Handshake packets, the sender SHOULD
+set a timer for the crypto timeout period.  Upon timeout, the sender MUST
+retransmit all unacknowledged CRYPTO data by calling
+RetransmitAllUnackedCryptoData(). On each consecutive expiration of the
+crypto timer without receiving an acknowledgement for a new packet, the
+sender SHOULD double the crypto handshake timeout and set a timer for this
+period.
 
 When CRYPTO frames are outstanding, the TLP and RTO timers are not active unless
 the CRYPTO frames were sent at 1-RTT encryption.

TLS->TLP

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -302,32 +302,31 @@ Retransmission Timeout mechanisms.
 ### Crypto Handshake Timeout
 
 Data in CRYPTO frames is critical to QUIC transport and crypto negotiation, so a
-more aggressive timeout is used to retransmit it.  Below, the term "handshake
-packet" is used to refer to packets containing CRYPTO frames, not packets with
-the specific long header packet type Handshake.
+more aggressive timeout is used to retransmit it.  Below, the term "crypto
+packet" is used to refer to packets containing CRYPTO data sent in Initial or

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Other nits:
L299: "handshake retransmission" -> "crypto handshake retransmission"
L463: "handshake timeouts" -> "crypto handshake timeouts"
L785: "when there is no unacknowledged handshake data" -> "when there are no unacknowledged crypto packets"

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -764,10 +763,10 @@ duration of the timer is based on the timer's mode, which is set in the packet
 and timer events further below.  The function SetLossDetectionTimer defined
 below shows how the single timer is set.
 
-#### Handshake Timer
+#### Crypto Handshake Timer
 
 When a connection has unacknowledged handshake data, the handshake timer is

"handshake data" -> "crypto handshake data"
"handshake timer" -> "crypto handshake timer"

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@janaiyengar I'm happy to either do this when you submit #1857, or you could just incorporate the change (with @ianswett 's nit) directly into that PR and close this one. It's up to you.< /p>

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----==_mimepart_5bc641fbb16b8_3183ff5aa2d45bc458870-- From nobody Tue Oct 16 13:53:25 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2A00130E42 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 13:53:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.064, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5LZWtBaX8VYQ for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 13:53:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B08AE130E3F for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 13:53:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 13:53:20 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539723200; bh=gWlJ0Kou20egFefdqb0BkKDcUXJ4yCFx5H3NJgsfsSA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ismnP7J9hrb87qIuhPjZGVWXeDR9PbwmrOWUjaxf77t7qoNwZoT6qf9e9kYQ5oZOO hy17WtiBEsXBDI6CwxI+P8FoLk48D0W0EQNcjOMRFELLJjfP8RzW8ay0uV9Nl1YIB2 mXso9Mib4fDvzZBoeFvinpAwHBA6Q3ZDWv3guQFI= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] WIP: High-level restructure of transport draft (#1857) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bc64fc06d2f3_1a613f81522d45c015750e5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 20:53:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bc64fc06d2f3_1a613f81522d45c015750e5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ianswett commented on this pull request. > @@ -134,18 +134,27 @@ encrypts most of the data it exchanges, including its signaling. This allows the protocol to evolve without incurring a dependency on upgrades to middleboxes. -This document describes the core QUIC protocol, including the conceptual design, -wire format, and mechanisms of the QUIC protocol for connection establishment, -stream multiplexing, stream and connection-level flow control, connection -migration, and data reliability. +This document describes the core QUIC protocol, and is structured as follows: I like two levels -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1857#discussion_r225703729 ----==_mimepart_5bc64fc06d2f3_1a613f81522d45c015750e5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -134,18 +134,27 @@ encrypts most of the data it exchanges, including its signaling.  This allows
 the protocol to evolve without incurring a dependency on upgrades to
 middleboxes.
 
-This document describes the core QUIC protocol, including the conceptual design,
-wire format, and mechanisms of the QUIC protocol for connection establishment,
-stream multiplexing, stream and connection-level flow control, connection
-migration, and data reliability.
+This document describes the core QUIC protocol, and is structured as follows:

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missed this one in #1859

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----==_mimepart_5bc65230df05e_354c3fb341cd45b825578b9-- From nobody Tue Oct 16 14:10:56 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 780AD130E42 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 14:10:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.064, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F5KGwn-vk2dZ for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 14:10:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 21391130E35 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 14:10:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 14:10:53 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539724253; bh=dl+q1d3YQnPHxd99iaBDTvgodLcaNbjXAqDUCwmy3Wg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=sFirs7Qss5VjezJsNANYV2nNKhHx3t/40YIrPO4LeJ4OwwB6zx+sqtN+yRb6u4UQg 9WTn4tlkD0OoTGJB3EvzjQYUJuM9J3Dj92kCVA/VHW+Xbhwi3FOzI9+mUORsEk8eIM 3OmdKdKGkLF6zEcshyy7imvmjMcwoaOwz8TZykNk= From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] WIP: High-level restructure of transport draft (#1857) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bc653dd2d7b4_19a93f93f38d45c01126376"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 21:10:55 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bc653dd2d7b4_19a93f93f38d45c01126376 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If people are OK with the general layout, I suggest we land this PR quickly (to unblock other PR) and then wordsmith the nits in future PRs. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1857#issuecomment-430402253 ----==_mimepart_5bc653dd2d7b4_19a93f93f38d45c01126376 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

If people are OK with the general layout, I suggest we land this PR quickly (to unblock other PR) and then wordsmith the nits in future PRs.

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Fixes #1836. * Martin's comments * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md * remove stray keypress * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md * Most of Mike's comments * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md **NOTE:** This service has been marked for deprecation: https://developer.github.com/changes/2018-04-25-github-services-deprecation/ Functionality will be removed from GitHub.com on January 31st, 2019. ----==_mimepart_5bc65f4c463e3_6bf92b00dd81057045198-- From nobody Tue Oct 16 14:59:54 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0713C130E51 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 14:59:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.064, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4vw5FS_UGsDI for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 14:59:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CFBE130E50 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 14:59:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 14:59:47 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539727187; bh=kbUBIChs0fOGdcj0S2bwaFWr2JTN4qjXSSJ7CsOATtc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=T8/jBMZEHHMieZDb89EXghdI972fV13RlMYMQ9YbdzPUR77snknECUKV2OO600itQ 2MvuYags2DFPzQEhORelTTL4Wip/WoadpGpp1Mc2Jh7Manl8nX8U2u4kKgYjbjeT0h Tgpq0PQjSWPJxosezJM5IvuI9W1BkT+2CiV+3QkY= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] "Handshake Packet" is Overloaded (#1836) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bc65f533b77b_13743fee05ad45c0285132a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 21:59:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bc65f533b77b_13743fee05ad45c0285132a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #1836 via #1859. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@janaiyengar pushed 2 commits.

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----==_mimepart_5bc666dcb5704_53283fa8a08d45b85132536-- From nobody Tue Oct 16 15:49:58 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69137130E52 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 15:49:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.064, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cVxWKyeicGeD for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 15:49:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-13.smtp.github.com (out-13.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 15603130E37 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 15:49:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 15:49:55 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539730195; bh=4A+mQN15u4cyb2NylM6858NXpl7589tvQZkR0Z+Laz8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=E4bhF1HvBO6aZcpQDB9CtF53iDCgxMU2kEo+/xnjYPz8FMx9lakcWXoZzDZxvApnc kiG5hVGMuDPw7Lx9pSWlYTAwJo2QnVzvYvjLj0S3XBmHoli43dRkgvqlbf7N6BfHLP Of4Jgq/EoCxnbB42JhCjgy47NtFiu0STe6RzsG34= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Spin bit should be applied per each 5-tuple rather than per connection (#1828) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bc66b13522ec_8153f890a2d45c44633d6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 22:49:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bc66b13522ec_8153f890a2d45c44633d6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Parking based on the resolution of #631 -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1828#issuecomment-430428281 ----==_mimepart_5bc66b13522ec_8153f890a2d45c44633d6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Parking based on the resolution of #631

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Sounds good. I'm sure that we'd appreciate getting a PR for this.

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Discussed, this might be overkill. Closing.

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Closed #1826.

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I think that folks in slack settled on "quic ". We need to write that down though.

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@siyengar FWIW, we had some discussion about that in #9= 04 starting from
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When crypto packets are sent, the sender SHOULD set a timer for the crypto timeout period. Upon timeout, the sender MUST retransmit all unacknowledged -CRYPTO data by calling RetransmitAllUnackedCryptoData(). On each consecutive -expiration of the crypto timer without receiving an acknowledgement for a new -packet, the sender SHOULD double the crypto handshake timeout and set a timer -for this period. +CRYPTO data if possible. + +Until the server has confirmed the path, it must not send more than 3 rather than "confirmed the path", we should be more consistent and say "the server has validated the client's address on the path" ```suggestion Until the server has validated the client's address on the path, it must not send more than 3 ``` > @@ -320,10 +320,17 @@ SHOULD be set for twice the newly computed smoothed RTT. When crypto packets are sent, the sender SHOULD set a timer for the crypto timeout period. Upon timeout, the sender MUST retransmit all unacknowledged -CRYPTO data by calling RetransmitAllUnackedCryptoData(). On each consecutive -expiration of the crypto timer without receiving an acknowledgement for a new -packet, the sender SHOULD double the crypto handshake timeout and set a timer -for this period. +CRYPTO data if possible. + +Until the server has confirmed the path, it must not send more than 3 +times the number of received bytes, as specified in the {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. Is this MUST NOT? You might avoid duplicating the requirement by saying that the server is limited in the amount of data it can send, as specified in {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. > @@ -320,10 +320,17 @@ SHOULD be set for twice the newly computed smoothed RTT. When crypto packets are sent, the sender SHOULD set a timer for the crypto timeout period. Upon timeout, the sender MUST retransmit all unacknowledged -CRYPTO data by calling RetransmitAllUnackedCryptoData(). On each consecutive -expiration of the crypto timer without receiving an acknowledgement for a new -packet, the sender SHOULD double the crypto handshake timeout and set a timer -for this period. +CRYPTO data if possible. + +Until the server has confirmed the path, it must not send more than 3 +times the number of received bytes, as specified in the {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. +If not all unacknowledged CRYPTO data can be sent, then all CRYPTO data in +Initial encryption should be retransmitted. If no bytes may be sent, +then no alarm should be armed until bytes have been received by the peer. + +On each consecutive expiration of the crypto timer without receiving an +acknowledgement for a new packet, the sender SHOULD double the crypto +handshake timeout and set a timer for this period. The timeouts are still inconsistently named. We have "crypto handshake timeout" here, but "crypto timeout" on 321/322. I think that "crypto retransmission timeout " is most correct. You should fix the section title as well. > -closed once a reject is sent, so no timer is set to retransmit the reject. - -Version negotiation packets are always stateless, and MUST be sent once per -handshake packet that uses an unsupported QUIC version, and MAY be sent in -response to 0-RTT packets. - -#### Tail Loss Probe and Retransmission Timer - -Tail loss probes {{?TLP}} and retransmission timeouts {{?RFC6298}} -are timer based mechanisms to recover from cases when there are -outstanding retransmittable packets, but an acknowledgement has -not been received in a timely manner. - -The TLP and RTO timers are armed when there are no unacknowledged crypto -packets. The TLP timer is set until the max number of TLP packets have been -sent, and then the RTO timer is set. Did you mean to delete all of this? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -320,10 +320,17 @@ SHOULD be set for tw=
ice the newly computed smoothed RTT.
 =

 When crypto packets are sent, the sender SHOULD set a timer for the cryp=
to
 timeout period.  Upon timeout, the sender MUST retransmit all unacknowle=
dged
-CRYPTO data by calling RetransmitAllUnackedCryptoData(). On each consecu=
tive
-expiration of the crypto timer without receiving an acknowledgement for =
a new
-packet, the sender SHOULD double the crypto handshake timeout and set a =
timer
-for this period.
+CRYPTO data if possible.
+
+Until the server has confirmed the path, it must not send more than 3

rather than "confirmed the path", we should be more consistent and say= "the server has validated the client's address on the path"

=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-Until the server has confirmed the path, it m=
ust not send more than 3
+Until the server has validated the client's address on the path, it must=
 not send more than 3

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -320,10 +320,17 @@ SHOULD be set for tw=
ice the newly computed smoothed RTT.
 =

 When crypto packets are sent, the sender SHOULD set a timer for the cryp=
to
 timeout period.  Upon timeout, the sender MUST retransmit all unacknowle=
dged
-CRYPTO data by calling RetransmitAllUnackedCryptoData(). On each consecu=
tive
-expiration of the crypto timer without receiving an acknowledgement for =
a new
-packet, the sender SHOULD double the crypto handshake timeout and set a =
timer
-for this period.
+CRYPTO data if possible.
+
+Until the server has confirmed the path, it must not send more than 3
+times the number of received bytes, as specified in the {{QUIC-TRANSPORT=
}}.

Is this MUST NOT? You might avoid duplicating the requirement by sayi= ng that the server is limited in the amount of data it can send, as speci= fied in {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -320,10 +320,17 @@ SHOULD be set for tw=
ice the newly computed smoothed RTT.
 =

 When crypto packets are sent, the sender SHOULD set a timer for the cryp=
to
 timeout period.  Upon timeout, the sender MUST retransmit all unacknowle=
dged
-CRYPTO data by calling RetransmitAllUnackedCryptoData(). On each consecu=
tive
-expiration of the crypto timer without receiving an acknowledgement for =
a new
-packet, the sender SHOULD double the crypto handshake timeout and set a =
timer
-for this period.
+CRYPTO data if possible.
+
+Until the server has confirmed the path, it must not send more than 3
+times the number of received bytes, as specified in the {{QUIC-TRANSPORT=
}}.
+If not all unacknowledged CRYPTO data can be sent, then all CRYPTO data =
in
+Initial encryption should be retransmitted.  If no bytes may be sent,
+then no alarm should be armed until bytes have been received by the peer=
.
+
+On each consecutive expiration of the crypto timer without receiving an
+acknowledgement for a new packet, the sender SHOULD double the crypto
+handshake timeout and set a timer for this period.

The timeouts are still inconsistently named. We have "crypto handshak= e timeout" here, but "crypto timeout" on 321/322. I think that "crypto r= etransmission timeout " is most correct. You should fix the section titl= e as well.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -closed once a reject is sent, so no timer=
 is set to retransmit the reject.
-
-Version negotiation packets are always stateless, and MUST be sent once =
per
-handshake packet that uses an unsupported QUIC version, and MAY be sent =
in
-response to 0-RTT packets.
-
-#### Tail Loss Probe and Retransmission Timer
-
-Tail loss probes {{?TLP}} and retransmission timeouts {{?RFC6298}}
-are timer based mechanisms to recover from cases when there are
-outstanding retransmittable packets, but an acknowledgement has
-not been received in a timely manner.
-
-The TLP and RTO timers are armed when there are no unacknowledged crypto=

-packets.  The TLP timer is set until the max number of TLP packets have =
been
-sent, and then the RTO timer is set.

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On the transport text: "Servers MUST NOT send more than three times as many bytes as the number of bytes received prior to verifying the client's address. "

The text does not state what is meant by bytes received. Presumably this refers to the accumulated QUIC packet sizes excluding IP/UDP framing. Vneg and Retry is a bit vague, do you count those earlier attempts, if you can? Can you use information gained from earlier connections and if so, for how long.

Note: generally the term "octet" is being used, but there are other places where "byte" is used.

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Also, the grammar here is bad. I'm not going to write a PR while we'r= e reorganizing, but I think this might help.

Prior to verifying an address, servers MUST NOT send more than 3 octet= s toward that address for each octet it receives from that address. In d= etermining this limit, servers only count the size of successfully proces= sed packets.

We have text elsewhere that defines what counting the size of a QUIC p= acket means: it's the protected packet, including the header and AEAD exp= ansion.

I don't think that we need to mention Retry or Version Negotiation bec= ause those are intended to be stateless - if the server counts them, grea= t, but I don't expect them to. The effect of not counting is safe: the s= erver will send fewer bytes. Note that the whole point of Retry is to pe= rform this validation, so if the server is still counting afterwards, som= ething is wrong.

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= ----==_mimepart_5bc6e76951bb0_5f43fa0030d45c01260269-- From nobody Wed Oct 17 02:46:01 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF9F5130DC8 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 02:45:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.064, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r3MbSmQTowIC for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 02:45:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46A4112DD85 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 02:45:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 02:39:11 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539769151; bh=NL2vJ/uW3gk4KqqwtSht0/7If3P00/BN9rNA5gBaYZc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=etZrbMO7fy/GVkwt2v+jArpZ1yQYrJO6dykP0ecanbsMqLFDq26ViPuIc5aqKmPc6 ZfCDDV/165QkctV+pt35sO9ozQ2Zm8lH2J8kojIbkLqrx0k7icctziyAmVkS36+Ubh YR2vPbON2NpKqIs7b/MUaWkdOpYTStFrcUTj3T0U= From: Magnus Westerlund Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ECN counters and Coalescing of QUIC packets (#1838) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bc7033f85780_75c63faccacd45b829021c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gloinul X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 09:46:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bc7033f85780_75c63faccacd45b829021c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So how do we deal with the different packet number spaces here. I see two options: Either say that we totally ignore Initial packets in the perspective of ECN handling. Which basically delays the ECN verification until one sees ACKs for the 0- or 1-RTT packets. Or one requires one set of counters per packet number space. What are peoples preference here? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1838#issuecomment-430561057 ----==_mimepart_5bc7033f85780_75c63faccacd45b829021c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

So how do we deal with the different packet number spaces here. I see = two options:
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I'm thinking that you count separately, in the interests of keeping ACK accounting separate (and consistent). But no special handling, or disabling ECN for different phases. You can still use Initial/Handshake to verify that the path supports ECN.

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Agreed, each PN space has its own set of counters, and an ACK frame sent in a PN space conveys the counters of that PN space.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -closed once a reject is sent, so no timer is set to retransmit the reject.
-
-Version negotiation packets are always stateless, and MUST be sent once per
-handshake packet that uses an unsupported QUIC version, and MAY be sent in
-response to 0-RTT packets.
-
-#### Tail Loss Probe and Retransmission Timer
-
-Tail loss probes {{?TLP}} and retransmission timeouts {{?RFC6298}}
-are timer based mechanisms to recover from cases when there are
-outstanding retransmittable packets, but an acknowledgement has
-not been received in a timely manner.
-
-The TLP and RTO timers are armed when there are no unacknowledged crypto
-packets.  The TLP timer is set until the max number of TLP packets have been
-sent, and then the RTO timer is set.

Yes, I believe it's duplicative of the more detailed text above.

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Allowing duplicate references to the same Push ID is primarily to reduce duplication caused by concurrent requests. A server SHOULD avoid reusing a Push ID over a long period. Clients are likely to consume server push responses and not retain them for reuse over time. Clients that see a PUSH_PROMISE that uses a Push ID that they have since consumed and discarded are forced to ignore the PUSH_PROMISE. ``` The two paragraphs contradict each other. The former mandates that a client maintain a history of all push promises in order to detect possible header field conflicts. The latter suggests that a client does not have to do that. Which one is it? The requirement to maintain a history of all push requests is unreasonable. I suggest that the _MUST_ in the first paragraph above be replaced with a _MAY_. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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draft-ietf-quic-http-15 has:

   []                           A client MUST treat receipt of a
   PUSH_PROMISE with conflicting header field values for the same Push
   ID as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME.

   Allowing duplicate references to the same Push ID is primarily to
   reduce duplication caused by concurrent requests.  A server SHOULD
   avoid reusing a Push ID over a long period.  Clients are likely to
   consume server push responses and not retain them for reuse over
   time.  Clients that see a PUSH_PROMISE that uses a Push ID that they
   have since consumed and discarded are forced to ignore the
   PUSH_PROMISE.

The two paragraphs contradict each other. The former mandates that a client maintain a history of all push promises in order to detect possible header field conflicts. The latter suggests that a client does not have to do that. Which one is it?

The requirement to maintain a history of all push requests is unreasonable. I suggest that the MUST in the first paragraph above be replaced with a MAY.

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I agree.

I've never considered this before but now I'm thinking that a client would need to store the non-compressed version of PUSH_PROMISE, in case an instruction elsewhere caused the dynamic table to be modified.

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draft-ietf-quic-http-15 states:

   For example, implicit in the HTTP/2 prioritization scheme is the
   notion of in-order delivery of priority changes (i.e., dependency
   tree mutations): since operations on the dependency tree such as
   reparenting a subtree are not commutative, both sender and receiver
   must apply them in the same order to ensure that both sides have a
   consistent view of the stream dependency tree.  HTTP/2 specifies
   priority assignments in PRIORITY frames and (optionally) in HEADERS
   frames.  To achieve in-order delivery of priority changes in HTTP/
   QUIC, PRIORITY frames are sent on the control stream and the PRIORITY
   section is removed from the HEADERS frame.

The current scheme does not achieve the in-order delivery of priority changes. This is because a PRIORITY frame to set the priority for an incoming request may arrive later than the request stream. Since processing of a request is not delayed until its priority is known, it must be assigned some priority by the server. To state it another way, a request possesses an implicit priority.

I don't think we can ensure in-order delivery of priority changes without introducing inter-stream dependencies and -- egads! -- head-of-line-blocking. With that in mind, it may be good to allow a request stream to carry a PRIORITY frame as its first frame.

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draft-ietf-quic-http-15 has this to say about the removed CONTINUATION frames:

   CONTINUATION (0x9):  CONTINUATION frames do not exist; instead,
      larger HEADERS/PUSH_PROMISE frames than HTTP/2 are permitted, and
      HEADERS frames can be used in series.

In HTTP/2, a header block could be chopped up into fragments, which is not the case in HTTP/QUIC. One cannot place a single header block in a series of HEADER frames. The verbiage above is misleading. The "in series" part above can only refer to

   In addition, prior to sending the message header block indicated
   above, a response may contain zero or more header blocks containing
   the message headers of informational (1xx) HTTP responses (see
   [RFC7230], Section 3.2 and [RFC7231], Section 6.2).

I suggest that we drop the "and HEADERS frames can be used in series" part from the paragraph.

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Yes, the full PRIORITY frame on a request stream is an overkill, as the Prioritized Type and Prioritized Element ID would be redundant. We could use a new frame type for this purpose.

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Does either suggestion solve the problem though? There is no in-order = guarantee between request streams (from the server's perspective). I.e. s= erver needs the a full tree before servicing a request, receiving a PRIOR= ITY of the leaf node requires knowledge of the parent branches.

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Since priorities are only advisory, I don't see why HQ must ensure an ordering of priority changes. The server will do whatever it wants anyway. One can assume that a good implementation will do something reasonable with the latest priority information it has.

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----==_mimepart_5bc7517a99d41_2caf3ff5aa2d45bc1213355-- From nobody Wed Oct 17 08:13:28 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11670130DE3 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 08:13:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.063 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.063 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.064, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4bp9rhyVhS7E for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 08:13:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5A43F1286D9 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 08:13:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 08:13:24 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539789204; bh=N+1zHpSG/ck2PCaPvDm5/9uERd/IBhpQtFtu3Jwaays=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=K9m3KcyvGxfvgPxR0YI9nPLfXOwflI6+UShMHlTwrvx2fWEHX0ppYBFvu+RGNrAE5 qcrcW6qeMs64/qcqK503FbhYuYeQ2VRxirsVjRBigmPdaMGC6BmOTq4S6f6dvJyxTb fa9/oGg/HJKSr4lkypHtFrrMRb+KtIwN+7V/yo70= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] BLOCKED frames and potential deadlocks (#1867) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bc75194635a0_64ad3f9d05ad45bc4286ae"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 15:13:27 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bc75194635a0_64ad3f9d05ad45bc4286ae Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe there are a few potential issues with the BLOCKED frame text. 1) STREAM_ID_BLOCKED is a MAY, but the other two BLOCKED frames are a SHOULD. I suggest changing STREAM_ID_BLOCKED to a SHOULD for consistency. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-15#section-7.12 2) There's discussion of STREAM_BLOCKED and BLOCKED in the "Blocking on Flow Control" section, but no mention of STREAM_ID_BLOCKED in "Stream Limit Increment" https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-15#section-10.2 I think there should be, even if it's just the next suggestoin. 3) In 10.2.1, "A receiver SHOULD NOT wait for a BLOCKED or STREAM_BLOCKED frame before sending MAX_DATA or MAX_STREAM_DATA, since doing so will mean that a sender is unable to send for an entire round trip." - Unless we're going to change sending BLOCKED to a MUST, I believe this needs to be a MUST NOT, and we should explain that it's because the receiver is not guaranteed to receive a BLOCKED frame. I believe it'd be worth adding similar text to the "Stream Limit Increment" section. 4) It would be nice to add some more guidance on when to send MAX_STREAM_ID if we think we can provide it. This sentence: "A receiver MAY also advance the maximum stream ID based on current activity, system conditions, and other environmental factors." doesn't seem very helpful to me. I'd fix these myself, but the transport doc is being heavily restructured. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1867 ----==_mimepart_5bc75194635a0_64ad3f9d05ad45bc4286ae Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I believe there are a few potential issues with the BLOCKED frame text.

  1. STREAM_ID_BLOCKED is a MAY, but the other two BLOCKED frames are a SHOULD. I suggest changing STREAM_ID_BLOCKED to a SHOULD for consistency. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-15#section-7.12
  2. There's discussion of STREAM_BLOCKED and BLOCKED in the "Blocking on Flow Control" section, but no mention of STREAM_ID_BLOCKED in "Stream Limit Increment" https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-15#section-10.2 I think there should be, even if it's just the next suggestoin.
  3. In 10.2.1, "A receiver SHOULD NOT wait for a BLOCKED or STREAM_BLOCKED frame before sending MAX_DATA or MAX_STREAM_DATA, since doing so will mean that a sender is unable to send for an entire round trip." - Unless we're going to change sending BLOCKED to a MUST, I believe this needs to be a MUST NOT, and we should explain that it's because the receiver is not guaranteed to receive a BLOCKED frame. I believe it'd be worth adding similar text to the "Stream Limit Increment" section.
  4. It would be nice to add some more guidance on when to send MAX_STREAM_ID if we think we can provide it. This sentence: "A receiver MAY also advance the maximum stream ID based on current activity, system conditions, and other environmental factors." doesn't seem very helpful to me.

I'd fix these myself, but the transport doc is being heavily restructured.

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As in other places, the intent isn't to require historical tracking an= d verification forever, but to require the error if the condition is dete= cted while acknowledging that it might be. I think, more precisely, what= we want is that the client:

  • Maintains a list of active promises for which it is still willing to = accept an additional reference to the promise, including the uncompressed= headers for the promise (likely until the promise is fulfilled, possibly= plus a timeout)
  • Verifies that the headers match exactly when receiving an additional = reference to one of these promises; MUST error if they don't.
  • If a promise is received for an ID which has already been flushed fro= m the list, the promise is ignored

This entails more text than just changing MUST to MAY, but is this a m= ore precise description of what we're after?

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Closed #1866.

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Already fixed in febb274.

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With the way @MikeBishop puts it, perhaps it is useful to describe the problem that header field changes might cause, then provide the points on how a client might want to do things to detect and avoid them.

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----==_mimepart_5bc766e1b4745_250a3fb4c8cd45bc140475c-- From nobody Wed Oct 17 09:47:55 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DECE130DFB for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 09:47:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.064, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pquVaV2vH179 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 09:47:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A2832130DC9 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 09:47:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 09:47:35 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539794855; bh=ZgFylNo+ttK19BKJ2NM6IKJY6kPXeH4kpse1r09zD44=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Ou2deUgz4MwMiRgnGdChM8Ii6Ukj1mdLeg1rYuhyP9Q93xgiDGJVsusiR/suXMJkU VxwtYMfw1VXXudN8gr4pOCgOM9G6l6nkqtUYD3sa9Mrjq9Xg/cLX9VA4uxuvY4G32n fNwDrpOrBFVK8cXdoVMIqX/EL+EOrCiUCakfMCxQ= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] In-order priority changes in HQ does not hold (#1865) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bc767a7b2d10_48d53f9d05ad45bc6520da"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:47:55 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bc767a7b2d10_48d53f9d05ad45bc6520da Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HQ must ensure an ordering of changes because that's the only way the server can ever reach consistency with the client's view. Delayed data on a single stream can cause delays in the server catching up to what the client wants -- and your observation that the request can arrive before its PRIORITY frame does is certainly a valid instance of that -- but reordering of valid priority instructions causes actual differences, not just delay. The issue happens when things which affect the same element (even indirectly) get crossed. For example, consider two instructions are in flight: 1. X depends exclusively on A 2. C depends on A If the order is (1,2), then X and C are peers, both depending on A. If the order is (2,1), then C now depends on X, which depends on A. You could probably avoid this with a scheme which prohibits further changes to an element with unacknowledged priority changes in flight, but that requires a layer of machinery I don't think anyone is incented to build right now. Alternatively, there's the direction of your last comment, which is that consistency between client's desires and server's understanding of them is either unnecessary or a lost cause; that's a pragmatic view, but perhaps not one I'd like to bake into the spec. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1865#issuecomment-430703532 ----==_mimepart_5bc767a7b2d10_48d53f9d05ad45bc6520da Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

HQ must ensure an ordering of changes because that's the only way the = server can ever reach consistency with the client's view. Delayed data o= n a single stream can cause delays in the server catching up to what the = client wants -- and your observation that the request can arrive before i= ts PRIORITY frame does is certainly a valid instance of that -- but reord= ering of valid priority instructions causes actual differences, not just = delay.

The issue happens when things which affect the same element (even indi= rectly) get crossed. For example, consider two instructions are in fligh= t:

  1. X depends exclusively on A
  2. C depends on A

If the order is (1,2), then X and C are peers, both depending on A. I= f the order is (2,1), then C now depends on X, which depends on A.

You could probably avoid this with a scheme which prohibits further ch= anges to an element with unacknowledged priority changes in flight, but t= hat requires a layer of machinery I don't think anyone is incented to bui= ld right now. Alternatively, there's the direction of your last comment,= which is that consistency between client's desires and server's understa= nding of them is either unnecessary or a lost cause; that's a pragmatic v= iew, but perhaps not one I'd like to bake into the spec.

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= ----==_mimepart_5bc767a7b2d10_48d53f9d05ad45bc6520da-- From nobody Wed Oct 17 09:50:45 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A698A130E05 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 09:50:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.064, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tWUegsR-dNCm for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 09:50:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 54A81130DEC for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 09:50:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 09:50:40 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539795040; bh=dxIyCQcZg04mt+ZE7RYF3GkJFAARX9aA0G2LQycsszg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ncBeBMytHgvnmGyIqJf+3mFg3XAb/GX/98hEJtKmkPh4KrFUSoylRHW1/2u7Db5+F LKfsrIdkWG70LFLBx/f7f5zeLhejc+xqKVRqbkiSpTSGj9H4itpXhs3eK1ABYNOqZU WNGDUnEbrqN/pSfsa+yLbGx9WyvXLBfzxp+ysuUc= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] In-order priority changes in HQ does not hold (#1865) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bc768606f1b8_31b73f9d05ad45bc1810683"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:50:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bc768606f1b8_31b73f9d05ad45bc1810683 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That said, it's an interesting proposal to have a tag at the beginning of a request that says, "In the absence of other guidance, I depend on X". If no exclusive dependencies can be declared, it can't affect anything else; if it's always ignored if a PRIORITY frame has reprioritized that stream, the ordering can be reconstructed. That's a very surgical fix to the issue of PRIORITY getting reordered with the stream opening. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1865#issuecomment-430704584 ----==_mimepart_5bc768606f1b8_31b73f9d05ad45bc1810683 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

That said, it's an interesting proposal to have a tag at the beginning= of a request that says, "In the absence of other guidance, I depend on X= ". If no exclusive dependencies can be declared, it can't affect anythin= g else; if it's always ignored if a PRIORITY frame has reprioritized that= stream, the ordering can be reconstructed.

That's a very surgical fix to the issue of PRIORITY getting reordered = with the stream opening.

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The thought of removing Request-oriented prioritisation has crossed my= mind. Instead just set up Placeholders at the start of the connection an= d use this "prioritisation prefix tag" to indicate preferred priority.

That feels like too much of a departure from H2's model though.

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Yes, and there are situations where you want to be able to make changes mid-session where that doesn't work. We already depart plenty, but I'd like to minimize gratuitous changes that have nothing to do with QUIC. Let's leave that for the HTTP WG to do. (See you there!)

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -320,10 +320,17 @@ SHOULD be set for twice the newly computed smoothed RTT.
 
 When crypto packets are sent, the sender SHOULD set a timer for the crypto
 timeout period.  Upon timeout, the sender MUST retransmit all unacknowledged
-CRYPTO data by calling RetransmitAllUnackedCryptoData(). On each consecutive
-expiration of the crypto timer without receiving an acknowledgement for a new
-packet, the sender SHOULD double the crypto handshake timeout and set a timer
-for this period.
+CRYPTO data if possible.
+
+Until the server has validated the client's address on the path, the number of
+bytes it can send is limited, as specified in the {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.

s/the//

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -320,10 +320,17 @@ SHOULD be set for twice the newly computed smoothed RTT.
 
 When crypto packets are sent, the sender SHOULD set a timer for the crypto
 timeout period.  Upon timeout, the sender MUST retransmit all unacknowledged
-CRYPTO data by calling RetransmitAllUnackedCryptoData(). On each consecutive
-expiration of the crypto timer without receiving an acknowledgement for a new
-packet, the sender SHOULD double the crypto handshake timeout and set a timer
-for this period.
+CRYPTO data if possible.
+
+Until the server has validated the client's address on the path, the number of
+bytes it can send is limited, as specified in the {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
+If not all unacknowledged CRYPTO data can be sent, then all CRYPTO data in
+Initial encryption should be retransmitted.  If no bytes may be sent,

Should this be "in the Initial encryption level" or "in Initial packets"?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -320,10 +320,17 @@ SHOULD be set for twice the newly computed smoothed RTT.
 
 When crypto packets are sent, the sender SHOULD set a timer for the crypto
 timeout period.  Upon timeout, the sender MUST retransmit all unacknowledged
-CRYPTO data by calling RetransmitAllUnackedCryptoData(). On each consecutive
-expiration of the crypto timer without receiving an acknowledgement for a new
-packet, the sender SHOULD double the crypto handshake timeout and set a timer
-for this period.
+CRYPTO data if possible.
+
+Until the server has validated the client's address on the path, the number of
+bytes it can send is limited, as specified in the {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
+If not all unacknowledged CRYPTO data can be sent, then all CRYPTO data in
+Initial encryption should be retransmitted.  If no bytes may be sent,

Hmm, probably Initial packets.

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The sentence it replaces is awkward:

An 8 bit unsigned integer value indicating the maximum amount of time in milliseconds by which it will delay sending of acknowledgments.

What is it -- the integer value? Can an integer value delay sending of acknowledgements?

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----==_mimepart_5bc78c52b4496_63183f911bcd45c41134d0-- From nobody Wed Oct 17 12:40:42 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE599130EED for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 12:40:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.064, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QaJFEn7Z-aQE for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 12:40:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2947A130D7A for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 12:40:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 12:40:19 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539805219; bh=GlGhytMmMWqdm7QO3mAFqZJhWAi4+GagvJKShy5J8G8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=I2rVXTT8zvJdeQEajUNlEL3A140Wyj5VCPuu3VsR3KYSdjBdxm67vNtIwopahHqtm pP4mYQwhTXWmveoIR8dLEwXW+Q5RDKkYd7w4XkXE81CJ2iD48xDSYAY0cise0jLVYG tFRQTDR1LTsZPmT0y0FZ85zmXdTkeO1UV+qoYeoI= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Improve description of max_ack_delay transport parameter (#1869) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bc79023383f0_56be3ffbe3ed45bc2568bc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 19:40:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bc79023383f0_56be3ffbe3ed45bc2568bc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ianswett commented on this pull request. > @@ -1728,9 +1728,9 @@ disable_migration (0x0009): max_ack_delay (0x000c): -: An 8 bit unsigned integer value indicating the maximum amount of time in - milliseconds by which it will delay sending of acknowledgments. If this - value is absent, a default of 25 milliseconds is assumed. +: An 8-bit unsigned integer value to use as the maximum delay (in milliseconds) The intent of this transport param is for the receiver to communicate it's max ack delay to the sender, so I don't think the change from "indicating" to "to use as" is quite right. How about "An 8-bit unsigned integer value indicating the maximum amount of time in milliseconds a receiver will delay sending an acknowledgement. The receiver sends this value to the sender to set timeouts more accurately."? I remember this was reworded a few times when I was writing it, -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1869#pullrequestreview-165802882 ----==_mimepart_5bc79023383f0_56be3ffbe3ed45bc2568bc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1728,9 +1728,9 @@ disable_migration (0x0009):
 
 max_ack_delay (0x000c):
 
-: An 8 bit unsigned integer value indicating the maximum amount of time in
-  milliseconds by which it will delay sending of acknowledgments.  If this
-  value is absent, a default of 25 milliseconds is assumed.
+: An 8-bit unsigned integer value to use as the maximum delay (in milliseconds)

The intent of this transport param is for the receiver to communicate it's max ack delay to the sender, so I don't think the change from "indicating" to "to use as" is quite right.

How about "An 8-bit unsigned integer value indicating the maximum amount of time in milliseconds a receiver will delay sending an acknowledgement. The receiver sends this value to the sender to set timeouts more accurately."?

I remember this was reworded a few times when I was writing it,

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1728,9 +1728,9 @@ disable_migration (0x0009):
 
 max_ack_delay (0x000c):
 
-: An 8 bit unsigned integer value indicating the maximum amount of time in
-  milliseconds by which it will delay sending of acknowledgments.  If this
-  value is absent, a default of 25 milliseconds is assumed.
+: An 8-bit unsigned integer value to use as the maximum delay (in milliseconds)

Oh, that's right. In this case, I how about "used as?"

The maximum delay (in milliseconds) used to send acknowledgements encoded as an 8-bit unsigned integer.

Alternatively, I can close this PR and you can improve it as you see fit, @ianswett.

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@martinthomson requested changes on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1728,9 +1728,9 @@ disable_migration (0x0009):
 
 max_ack_delay (0x000c):
 
-: An 8 bit unsigned integer value indicating the maximum amount of time in
-  milliseconds by which it will delay sending of acknowledgments.  If this
-  value is absent, a default of 25 milliseconds is assumed.
+: The maximum delay (in milliseconds) used to send acknowledgements, encoded as
+  an 8-bit unsigned integer.  If this value is absent, a default of 25

Nor do you use a delay to send acknowledgments. Why not simply s/it/the endpoint/ ?

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@martinduke requested changes on this pull request.

Where is the bit about clients sending some PADDING to avoid deadlock? I thought that was supposed to be here.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -320,10 +320,17 @@ SHOULD be set for twice the newly computed smoothed RTT.
 
 When crypto packets are sent, the sender SHOULD set a timer for the crypto
 timeout period.  Upon timeout, the sender MUST retransmit all unacknowledged
-CRYPTO data by calling RetransmitAllUnackedCryptoData(). On each consecutive
-expiration of the crypto timer without receiving an acknowledgement for a new
-packet, the sender SHOULD double the crypto handshake timeout and set a timer
-for this period.
+CRYPTO data if possible.
+
+Until the server has validated the client's address on the path, the number of
+bytes it can send is limited, as specified in {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
+If not all unacknowledged CRYPTO data can be sent, then all CRYPTO data sent

"then all unacknowledged CRYPTO data sent"

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In some environments, Kerberos integration (for server and client authentication) might be preferable to authentication via server certificates and SPNEGO.

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A lot of the infrastructure is in place but the feature it is out of scope for v1. It will likely be addressed in a follow up version.

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----==_mimepart_5bc7b149394da_2dac3ff5096d45b41257f5-- From nobody Wed Oct 17 15:04:02 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2CEA130E18 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 15:04:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.064, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2GulBDAZNQf1 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 15:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 87B6E130E00 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 15:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 15:03:58 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539813838; bh=l7S0LSzaOiNlJcd1ta01Ne0ksQ1XXA7hIo01rUHQGKQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Wf7hgZKGDAO5vAJ1dzzd8VTsI6bQa209ahejbtKraOK0WBZiHWbGwMSOKR4wlOKoW c36JOpW1/SlX7Fw8lDYGod1Gip0XsN0AgRSPLB9nOT8gRnVuQG7DuWLkh4uK72P8NI CyTC6cxiX5jyiFPllNzeJCJkGFMiFWYEG5/CTXic= From: Demi Marie Obenour Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Multihoming support (#1871) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bc7b1ceba126_1d4c3ff7564d45bc11618c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DemiMarie X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 22:04:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bc7b1ceba126_1d4c3ff7564d45bc11618c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Makes sense. Ideally DTLS would already have multihoming support, but you are correct that multihoming is not needed for a MVP. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1871#issuecomment-430805885 ----==_mimepart_5bc7b1ceba126_1d4c3ff7564d45bc11618c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Makes sense. Ideally DTLS would already have multihoming support, but you are correct that multihoming is not needed for a MVP.

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FTP is normally used over TCP in a rather awkward manner that can cause problems in the presense of firewalls. Running FTP over QUIC obviates that problem.

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It would be nice to have a formal proof that QUIC meets its security goals, and is free from deadlocks, denial of service vulnerabilities, and other bad behavior.

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Post-quantum cryptography will become increasingly important over time, and will be a necessity at some point. QUIC should be ready.

Many post-quantum key exchange algorithms require that keys be used only once. This prevents rapid session resumption from working, which should be fixed.

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QUIC should periodically send packets through the channel, even if no data is being transferred. This ensures that NATs keep the channel open, and allows dead peers to be recognized.

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There should be a mechanism for extracting a key, known only to the server and the client, that can be used for channel binding. This is used in some variants of SPNEGO, and is also important in use cases such as remote attastation.

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----==_mimepart_5bc7b45c84512_78283faffbed45b428463c-- From nobody Wed Oct 17 15:44:46 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A4B7130E06 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 15:44:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.064, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g9DVRrZMaDsv for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 15:44:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 59378130E03 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 15:44:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 15:44:42 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539816282; bh=ovYb2ImjIrv6POZ7tBx1GU+T+RufUMZmO713y1CvZtQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=yDWxY3pPu+b56kzo5Yx2PJBYicZIx42GNLDso4UUkhvkaWTGY3l2W+jvNm3Ju0/0G wJqt63WZ4YJStyTydefcQnip2RR+lqvSqTV6eyRjOGpn97wycPQwaQ9MPBE/yhewyH 3NnNIkR62SbphuxStUtGvef/7mz5oSkhGZi3ezsM= From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] RST_STREAM can (still) cause flow control problems (#1878) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bc7bb5a3b3e0_29303fa71bcd45b83025a1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 22:44:45 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bc7bb5a3b3e0_29303fa71bcd45b83025a1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a bidirectional stream, if I receive a RST_STREAM, how am I to know how much of the data I have *sent* is counting towards connection flow control? For example, say I send 10 STREAM frames on stream 0, of 1000 B each, receive a RST_STREAM for stream 0 with offset 0, and then acks for packets 1:4 and 6:10. It is clear that I should deduct zero of the credit I am granting to the peer, but it is not clear how much connection credit the peer has deducted for this stream. One way to solve this is to have a receive offset field in RST_STREAM. When I receive one of these, I can flush the send queue and recover any credit I had taken from myself. In this case, if the RST_STREAM had a max receive offset of 1000, I'd add 9000 back to my connection credit. Inveterate optimizers might want this field to only exist for bidi streams. I don't particularly care. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1878 ----==_mimepart_5bc7bb5a3b3e0_29303fa71bcd45b83025a1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

In a bidirectional stream, if I receive a RST_STREAM, how am I to know how much of the data I have sent is counting towards connection flow control?

For example, say I send 10 STREAM frames on stream 0, of 1000 B each, receive a RST_STREAM for stream 0 with offset 0, and then acks for packets 1:4 and 6:10. It is clear that I should deduct zero of the credit I am granting to the peer, but it is not clear how much connection credit the peer has deducted for this stream.

One way to solve this is to have a receive offset field in RST_STREAM. When I receive one of these, I can flush the send queue and recover any credit I had taken from myself. In this case, if the RST_STREAM had a max receive offset of 1000, I'd add 9000 back to my connection credit.

Inveterate optimizers might want this field to only exist for bidi streams. I don't particularly care.

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@martinduke requested changes on this pull request.

Here is a review through and including the flow control section. Hopefully more to come,.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 Accompanying documents describe QUIC's loss detection and congestion control
 {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}, and the use of TLS 1.3 for key negotiation {{QUIC-TLS}}.
 
 QUIC version 1 conforms to the protocol invariants in {{QUIC-INVARIANTS}}.
 
 
-# Conventions and Definitions
+## Conventions and Definitions

The definition of "stream" says they're bi-directional. That's not accurate. Maybe "a logical channel of ordered bytes within a QUIC connection, that can be unidirectional or bidirectional"?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Version:
+A receiver cannot renege on an advertisement; that is, once a receiver
+advertises a stream ID via a MAX_STREAM_ID frame, advertising a smaller maximum
+ID has no effect.  A sender MUST ignore any MAX_STREAM_ID frame that does not

s/sender/receiver

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Destination Connection ID:
+When new data is to be sent on a stream, a sender MUST set the encapsulating
+STREAM frame's offset field to the stream offset of the first byte of this new

s/byte/octet

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-All subsequent Initial packets from the client MUST use the connection ID and
-token values from the Retry packet.  Aside from this, the Initial packet sent
-by the client is subject to the same restrictions as the first Initial packet.
-A client can either reuse the cryptographic handshake message or construct a
-new one at its discretion.
+A data receiver sends MAX_STREAM_DATA or MAX_DATA frames to the sender to

I think we should add a paragraph here that goes like this:

"Endpoints SHOULD communicate initial values for stream and connection flow control using transport parameters {#transport-params}. Data senders MUST use a value of zero for limits not advertised in the peer's transport parameters."

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Isn't this covered here:
https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#rfc.section.10.1

More generally though - I'm not sure exactly which frames count toward flow control - e.g. what about a lost padding only packet that is never retransmitted?

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No, the offset field in RST_STREAM addresses only one direction -- the= correct final offset from RST_STREAM sender to RST_STREAM receiver. I sp= ent some time trying to figure out if the spec expected me to send RST_ST= REAM in response to RST_STREAM, and I decided that wasn't the case even t= hough the uni stream state machines sort of imply it.

The final offset from RST_STREAM receiver to RST_STREAM sender is neve= r explicitly communicated, as far as I can tell.

More generally though - I'm not sure exactly which frames count toward= flow control - e.g. what about a lost padding only packet that is never = retransmitted?

It's STREAM contents only that count. Other frames, like padding, aren= 't buffered by the receiver.

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@mikkelfj Flow controls applies to data sent on streams in the form of STREAM frames. It does not apply to packets or other frame types. So a lost padding frame would have no bearing on flow control.

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@RyanAtGoogle thanks - I did implement it once, but it= was more than a year ago.
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= ----==_mimepart_5bc7c53282072_20b13fdd1ccd45b82224c3-- From nobody Wed Oct 17 16:32:25 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BAFD130E03 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:32:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.063 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.063 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.064, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dKaIhCF9DAND for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:32:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 37AD3130E2F for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:32:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:32:21 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539819141; bh=tv3rmxkizyuCeDSZlsvAcCkcEVW+RSG4PN8asMgV/a0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=wUw18oWRBj3MLKciHAePwOyOj8NuyTPif1bn2JpJ8Yus8Th23i6TlUsZPHEMu/RWR zoxOBH1savWgrX00xmJiSiHhG2UMkJ65eDtpWftWko1ECkrNpKqm6FWezeiqgtB3wt nl3ykrwC1RSHMPjdOQrY+1YVjEa9T0fFqTmuYjX4= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] RST_STREAM can (still) cause flow control problems (#1878) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bc7c6853214_178b3fab94ad45c421121b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 23:32:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bc7c6853214_178b3fab94ad45c421121b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#rfc.section.9.2.4 https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#rfc.section.10.1.1 "A bidirectional stream is composed of a send stream and a receive stream. Implementations may represent states of the bidirectional stream as composites of send and receive stream states." "RST_STREAM terminates one direction of a stream abruptly." -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1878#issuecomment-430824668 ----==_mimepart_5bc7c6853214_178b3fab94ad45c421121b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Outside of this WG charter. A version of QUIC could be defined which does this, hypothetically, but our charter is to use TLS as the handshake for the version of QUIC we define.

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----==_mimepart_5bc7c8e67b3d1_368a3ff6e8cd45b4254189-- From nobody Wed Oct 17 16:43:34 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91EE2130E03 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:43:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.063 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.063 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.064, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6K2_NGaxcAG8 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:43:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED22B129AB8 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:43:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:43:29 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539819809; bh=5VI7l/uF/gpO6ssCuSpTMfNUTbEj+bvXsWDFHJr8zDA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=fpbvEr/pAvtD3iQikVWLwfiNDXn0rWk2fKDcA80lyAkF2cLdQdRXmY1XXTrXWV4Jg LhjyEFb57Oi1kpcYjpIyZrR13U64+BPYShE3lxAOEMP5xhdNmP1p0emAphk3fbT2DF X3iDaql+R7RgczF7LfmzrrS5yhhWZ2asY/BgEiIE= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Multihoming support (#1871) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bc7c921387bc_4b083ff90bed45c4241376"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 23:43:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bc7c921387bc_4b083ff90bed45c4241376 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #1871. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1871#event-1910939427 ----==_mimepart_5bc7c921387bc_4b083ff90bed45c4241376 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Our charter says that we will define the HTTP mapping. Another working group could define an FTP/QUIC mapping, or we could if there were sufficient WG interest following a recharter. For now, closing as out-of-scope.

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It would be. TLS has had such formal proofs, but there are potentiall= y parts of the QUIC protocol that could be modeled as well.

That said, there are known deadlock situations, so I suspect such a pr= oof would not be possible. I'll leave to others to suggest where/whether= such verification might be useful.

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This is a TLS concern, not QUIC-specific.

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----==_mimepart_5bc7ca4f7efb_3473fd52ced45b82916c5-- From nobody Wed Oct 17 16:48:42 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80416130E4D for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:48:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.063 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.063 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.064, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0za3mfZVbufr for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:48:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A6A83130E03 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:48:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:48:33 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539820113; bh=2jOZLvjshhWoveygZw1GH1oqEc/q8uwP5HqoVVCF7FQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=iKSlUF77TyEc3EYVuHySpZ4l2A32Icl/0OE6Ta/Rjo91Wo3FvE37g79ODJMFtPTq9 PE6kSTu+ssOM1TjfXcaEGK7fMwZlgnS6Bg8WAzAM/Mz7XjnxSa2OtbdcpIo3gpEZKS HvxO2RHNxI6jt6Ozp+RffyXsbQyp3omepNzs/ing= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Post-quantum cryptography integration (#1875) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bc7ca51be9df_2cf93fb7f2ed45c4254756"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 23:48:38 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bc7ca51be9df_2cf93fb7f2ed45c4254756 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #1875. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1875#event-1910944969 ----==_mimepart_5bc7ca51be9df_2cf93fb7f2ed45c4254756 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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PING packets exist to provide this functionality, though when/whether = to use them is implementation-dependent, with guidance from the applicati= on layer. The HTTP mapping already recomme= nds when to do this.

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TLS provides such facilities.

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@mikkelfj is correct -- each direction is independent. If y= ou receive a RST_STREAM, the data flowing toward you has ceased abruptly.= This does not inherently mean that you cannot respond. If you choose n= ot to respond, send a RST_STREAM yourself, which then contains the flow c= ontrol information you're discussing.

Is there text we should clarify for this?

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= ----==_mimepart_5bc7cb87cd13e_36a53ff4418d45bc9498c-- From nobody Wed Oct 17 18:03:47 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12EE9126BED for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 18:03:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.064, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CiQsedj8uR52 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 18:03:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CBC4120072 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 18:03:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 18:03:43 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539824623; bh=vs/WGBgJ/AdNH5kRfcxBaHiwsVlwdmvITLo18wGLQ6o=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ddpe2jdGJyNDD2rVy5PmsJDw060CDHhgYRTbf4ArEtURO8VW1FKLLc8HhIzOr04Ir gWekS+fGSs5gj1ZuBgLMAGn8fTpsDZavo9/LzXcdw1bMOaSXekiOmK1imdooM+4wZl J8Wns5cSGkFL17WJnrrmaGdqx5xAHnJn095i7IBE= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Smart quotes in static table (#1879) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bc7dbef42ccd_7b4f3fa8534d45b41827b4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 01:03:46 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bc7dbef42ccd_7b4f3fa8534d45b41827b4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yep, a toolchain problem. We probably need to work out how to quote the single-quotes here. Hopefully \ is enough. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1879 ----==_mimepart_5bc7dbef42ccd_7b4f3fa8534d45b41827b4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Yep, a toolchain problem. We probably need to work out how to quote the single-quotes here. Hopefully \ is enough.

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In section 9.2.3:

The sender of a stream sends just three frame types that affect the state of a stream at either sender or receiver: STREAM (Section 7.20), STREAM_BLOCKED (Section 7.11), and RST_STREAM (Section 7.3).

However, MAX_STREAM_DATA can also affect the state of the stream.

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My understanding is that we have text that prevents all known deadlocks. Are there deadlocks you're aware of that are not preventable, particularly at the transport layer? At the application layer, certainly one can create an application that causes a deadlock.

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----==_mimepart_5bc7fb08b383f_73c83fb06e0d45b8861c1-- From nobody Wed Oct 17 20:38:18 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65E8B1252B7 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 20:38:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.064, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pFnR8wwC2Mmi for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 20:38:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E6753120072 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 20:38:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 20:38:13 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539833893; bh=0lOZmIGQBuhGdchN4mq2lBxTyQfHyelTbJ2guduCwmo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=swt48aiZAB4GpAvGVOd5ocKjVZFqbg3lsJLAbmwelmkhx3PHX7+3TJ1Z96T0QvS0z bc2/racoh6VOi95R+ERCOd6FAUHSo9EwA/INni1ii+VIjKGjv1/KI4L/LwNpCcEzsS JPwN0dEkf+J0W8gd2eYqub945O/rDlR3mJ5iYYFA= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Permitted frame types (#1880) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bc80025aaeec_438a3fe191ad45b41926d3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 03:38:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bc80025aaeec_438a3fe191ad45b41926d3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think the text is correct because the subject here is "the sender of a stream." MAX_STREAM_DATA is sent by "the receiver of a stream," which is discussed later in the section. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1880#issuecomment-430864647 ----==_mimepart_5bc80025aaeec_438a3fe191ad45b41926d3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think the text is correct because the subject here is "the sender of a stream."

MAX_STREAM_DATA is sent by "the receiver of a stream," which is discussed later in the section.

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With a flag in the type byte, just like we did for ACK?

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----==_mimepart_5bc847d418fb_46903feb78ad45b4199794-- From nobody Thu Oct 18 02:01:32 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 856D7130934 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2018 02:01:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.064, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6EZAWpc9bcgZ for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2018 02:01:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 882D112D4EC for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2018 02:01:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 02:01:25 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539853285; bh=B83nDqrP7djWJscBt5VFFQBSgiVkV/HdXBC6t8kWwrw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=x05AzwlhjwSnHP+2hA1jwDi57ireowl1MC3TPSZzUYqQ2TfF97EeTYNppj33QUUoU Qq+wnnQzMdT4FvRYzTM0gpBzVAWa8QwliqTGO8G6S4BuZT9MqJwdI5wOPsnL691xMU K35No/rStKrDVn18NLaiIQxZVTjE4jIquyiOcCxc= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] WIP: High-level restructure of transport draft (#1857) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bc84be576e1c_2eba3f94b5ad45c4270156"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 09:01:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bc84be576e1c_2eba3f94b5ad45c4270156 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson approved this pull request. I've tried to attach suggestions to every comment here. Let me know if that works out, it's a new GitHub feature, and a little rough. I'd appreciate if you look at the suggestions before you do, but please merge this ASAP. > -All subsequent Initial packets from the client MUST use the connection ID and -token values from the Retry packet. Aside from this, the Initial packet sent -by the client is subject to the same restrictions as the first Initial packet. -A client can either reuse the cryptographic handshake message or construct a -new one at its discretion. +A data receiver sends MAX_STREAM_DATA or MAX_DATA frames to the sender to The paragraph above looks good enough to me. I don't think we need to set defaults (if this were the only thing that is read, a reader would (mostly correctly) infer that the values are always set. > +A receiver MAY advertise a larger offset at any point by sending MAX_STREAM_DATA +or MAX_DATA frames. A receiver cannot renege on an advertisement; that is, once +a receiver advertises an offset, advertising a smaller offset has no effect. A +sender MUST therefore ignore any MAX_STREAM_DATA or MAX_DATA frames that do not +increase flow control limits. + +A receiver MUST close the connection with a FLOW_CONTROL_ERROR error +({{error-handling}}) if the peer violates the advertised connection or stream +data limits. + +A sender SHOULD send STREAM_BLOCKED or BLOCKED frames to indicate it has data to +write but is blocked by flow control limits. These frames are expected to be +sent infrequently in common cases, but they are considered useful for debugging +and monitoring purposes. + +(TODO: Add something about max_stream_id) ```suggestion A similar method is used to control the number of open streams see {{stream-limit-increment}} for details. ``` > +willing to receive, the connection will be torn down when too much data arrives. +Conversely if a sender believes it is blocked, while endpoint B expects more +data can be received, then the connection can be in a deadlock, with the sender +waiting for a MAX_STREAM_DATA or MAX_DATA frame which will never come. + +On receipt of a RST_STREAM frame, an endpoint will tear down state for the +matching stream and ignore further data arriving on that stream. This could +result in the endpoints getting out of sync, since the RST_STREAM frame may have +arrived out of order and there may be further bytes in flight. The data sender +would have counted the data against its connection level flow control budget, +but a receiver that has not received these bytes would not know to include them +as well. The receiver must learn the number of bytes that were sent on the +stream to make the same adjustment in its connection flow controller. + +To ensure that endpoints maintain a consistent connection-level flow control +state, the RST_STREAM frame {{frame-rst-stream}} includes the largest offset of ```suggestion state, the RST_STREAM frame ({{frame-rst-stream}}) includes the largest offset of ``` > +is not excessive buffering at multiple layers. + + +## Stream Limit Increment {#stream-limit-increment} + +An endpoint limits the number of concurrently active incoming streams by +limiting the maximum stream ID. An initial value is set in the transport +parameters (see {{transport-parameter-definitions}}) and is subsequently +increased by MAX_STREAM_ID frames (see {{frame-max-stream-id}}). + +As with stream and connection flow control, this document leaves when and how +many streams to make available to a peer via MAX_STREAM_ID to implementations, +but offers a few considerations. MAX_STREAM_ID frames constitute minimal +overhead, while withholding MAX_STREAM_ID frames can prevent the peer from using +the available parallelism. + ```suggestion The STREAM_ID_BLOCKED frame ({{frame-stream-id-blocked}}) can be used to signal a shortage of available streams. ``` > + +As with stream and connection flow control, this document leaves when and how +many streams to make available to a peer via MAX_STREAM_ID to implementations, +but offers a few considerations. MAX_STREAM_ID frames constitute minimal +overhead, while withholding MAX_STREAM_ID frames can prevent the peer from using +the available parallelism. + +Implementations will likely want to increase the maximum stream ID as +peer-initiated streams close. A receiver MAY also advance the maximum stream ID +based on current activity, system conditions, and other environmental factors. + + +# Connections {#connections} + +A QUIC connection is a single conversation between two QUIC endpoints. QUIC's +connection establishment intertwines version negotiation with the cryptographic ```suggestion connection establishment combines version negotiation with the cryptographic ``` > +but offers a few considerations. MAX_STREAM_ID frames constitute minimal +overhead, while withholding MAX_STREAM_ID frames can prevent the peer from using +the available parallelism. + +Implementations will likely want to increase the maximum stream ID as +peer-initiated streams close. A receiver MAY also advance the maximum stream ID +based on current activity, system conditions, and other environmental factors. + + +# Connections {#connections} + +A QUIC connection is a single conversation between two QUIC endpoints. QUIC's +connection establishment intertwines version negotiation with the cryptographic +and transport handshakes to reduce connection establishment latency, as +described in {{handshake}}. Once established, a connection may migrate to a +different IP or port at either endpoint, due to NAT rebinding or mobility, as ```suggestion different IP or port at either endpoint as ``` > +based on current activity, system conditions, and other environmental factors. + + +# Connections {#connections} + +A QUIC connection is a single conversation between two QUIC endpoints. QUIC's +connection establishment intertwines version negotiation with the cryptographic +and transport handshakes to reduce connection establishment latency, as +described in {{handshake}}. Once established, a connection may migrate to a +different IP or port at either endpoint, due to NAT rebinding or mobility, as +described in {{migration}}. Finally, a connection may be terminated by either +endpoint, as described in {{termination}}. + +## Connection ID {#connection-id} + +Each connection possesses a set of identifiers, any of which could be used to ```suggestion Each connection possesses a set of connection identifiers, or connection IDs, each of which can be identify the connection. Connection IDs are independently selected by endpoints; each endpoint selects the connection IDs that its peer uses. ``` Multi-line suggestion, sorry, I don't know how to hit the entire paragraph. > + + +# Connections {#connections} + +A QUIC connection is a single conversation between two QUIC endpoints. QUIC's +connection establishment intertwines version negotiation with the cryptographic +and transport handshakes to reduce connection establishment latency, as +described in {{handshake}}. Once established, a connection may migrate to a +different IP or port at either endpoint, due to NAT rebinding or mobility, as +described in {{migration}}. Finally, a connection may be terminated by either +endpoint, as described in {{termination}}. + +## Connection ID {#connection-id} + +Each connection possesses a set of identifiers, any of which could be used to +distinguish it from other connections. Connection IDs are selected ```suggestion ``` > + +# Connections {#connections} + +A QUIC connection is a single conversation between two QUIC endpoints. QUIC's +connection establishment intertwines version negotiation with the cryptographic +and transport handshakes to reduce connection establishment latency, as +described in {{handshake}}. Once established, a connection may migrate to a +different IP or port at either endpoint, due to NAT rebinding or mobility, as +described in {{migration}}. Finally, a connection may be terminated by either +endpoint, as described in {{termination}}. + +## Connection ID {#connection-id} + +Each connection possesses a set of identifiers, any of which could be used to +distinguish it from other connections. Connection IDs are selected +independently in each direction. ```suggestion ``` > +and MUST NOT send packets from any other local address. + +When an endpoint has requested a non-zero-length connection ID, it needs to +ensure that the peer has a supply of connection IDs from which to choose for +packets sent to the endpoint. These connection IDs are supplied by the endpoint +using the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame ({{frame-new-connection-id}}). + + +### Issuing Connection IDs + +Each Connection ID has an associated sequence number to assist in deduplicating +messages. The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is sent in the Source +Connection ID field of the long packet header ({{long-header}}) during the +handshake. The sequence number of the initial connection ID is 0. If the +preferred_address transport parameter is sent, the sequence number of the +supplied connection ID is 1. Subsequent connection IDs are communicated to the ```suggestion supplied connection ID is 1. Additional connection IDs are communicated to the ``` > + +When an endpoint has requested a non-zero-length connection ID, it needs to +ensure that the peer has a supply of connection IDs from which to choose for +packets sent to the endpoint. These connection IDs are supplied by the endpoint +using the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame ({{frame-new-connection-id}}). + + +### Issuing Connection IDs + +Each Connection ID has an associated sequence number to assist in deduplicating +messages. The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is sent in the Source +Connection ID field of the long packet header ({{long-header}}) during the +handshake. The sequence number of the initial connection ID is 0. If the +preferred_address transport parameter is sent, the sequence number of the +supplied connection ID is 1. Subsequent connection IDs are communicated to the +peer using NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames ({{frame-new-connection-id}}), and the ```suggestion peer using NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames ({{frame-new-connection-id}}). The ``` > -The header form and connection ID field of a short header packet are -version-independent. The remaining fields are specific to the selected QUIC -version. See {{QUIC-INVARIANTS}} for details on how packets from different -versions of QUIC are interpreted. + ```suggestion ``` > -## Version Negotiation Packet {#packet-version} +Valid packets sent to clients always include a Destination Connection ID that +matches the value the client selects. Clients that choose to receive ```suggestion matches a value the client selects. Clients that choose to receive ``` > -The sender MUST use a packet number size able to represent more than twice as -large a range than the difference between the largest acknowledged packet and -packet number being sent. A peer receiving the packet will then correctly -decode the packet number, unless the packet is delayed in transit such that it -arrives after many higher-numbered packets have been received. An endpoint -SHOULD use a large enough packet number encoding to allow the packet number to -be recovered even if the packet arrives after packets that are sent afterwards. +{{tls-0rtt-handshake}} shows an example of a connection with a 0-RTT handshake +and a single packet of 0-RTT data. Note that as described in {{packet-numbers}}, +the server ACKs the 0-RTT data at the 1-RTT encryption level, and the client's ```suggestion the server acknowledges 0-RTT data at the 1-RTT encryption level, and the client sends 1-RTT packets in the same packet number space. ``` > -The sender MUST use a packet number size able to represent more than twice as -large a range than the difference between the largest acknowledged packet and -packet number being sent. A peer receiving the packet will then correctly -decode the packet number, unless the packet is delayed in transit such that it -arrives after many higher-numbered packets have been received. An endpoint -SHOULD use a large enough packet number encoding to allow the packet number to -be recovered even if the packet arrives after packets that are sent afterwards. +{{tls-0rtt-handshake}} shows an example of a connection with a 0-RTT handshake +and a single packet of 0-RTT data. Note that as described in {{packet-numbers}}, +the server ACKs the 0-RTT data at the 1-RTT encryption level, and the client's +sequence numbers at the 1-RTT encryption level continue to increment from its ```suggestion ``` > -The sender MUST use a packet number size able to represent more than twice as -large a range than the difference between the largest acknowledged packet and -packet number being sent. A peer receiving the packet will then correctly -decode the packet number, unless the packet is delayed in transit such that it -arrives after many higher-numbered packets have been received. An endpoint -SHOULD use a large enough packet number encoding to allow the packet number to -be recovered even if the packet arrives after packets that are sent afterwards. +{{tls-0rtt-handshake}} shows an example of a connection with a 0-RTT handshake +and a single packet of 0-RTT data. Note that as described in {{packet-numbers}}, +the server ACKs the 0-RTT data at the 1-RTT encryption level, and the client's +sequence numbers at the 1-RTT encryption level continue to increment from its +0-RTT packets. ```suggestion ``` > -After sending a closing frame, endpoints immediately enter the closing state. -During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a closing frame SHOULD respond -to any packet that it receives with another packet containing a closing frame. ```suggestion {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}, until either all data has been acknowledged. ``` > -After sending a closing frame, endpoints immediately enter the closing state. -During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a closing frame SHOULD respond -to any packet that it receives with another packet containing a closing frame. ```suggestion ``` > -After sending a closing frame, endpoints immediately enter the closing state. -During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a closing frame SHOULD respond -to any packet that it receives with another packet containing a closing frame. ```suggestion ``` I think that this is fine as it is. If it were longer, maybe, but it's a nice size now and the two concepts are very closely related. > -After sending a closing frame, endpoints immediately enter the closing state. -During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a closing frame SHOULD respond -to any packet that it receives with another packet containing a closing frame. ```suggestion ``` > -After sending a closing frame, endpoints immediately enter the closing state. -During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a closing frame SHOULD respond -to any packet that it receives with another packet containing a closing frame. ```suggestion ``` > -After sending a closing frame, endpoints immediately enter the closing state. -During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a closing frame SHOULD respond -to any packet that it receives with another packet containing a closing frame. I'm not sure that I like the fact that the specific transport parameters are described way back up top now. I think that having the description of each down here is better. There's a lot of encoding information in them, and we don't generally rely on the definitions of transport parameters for much. Anything we do need can use a forward reference. > -After sending a closing frame, endpoints immediately enter the closing state. -During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a closing frame SHOULD respond -to any packet that it receives with another packet containing a closing frame. ```suggestion ``` > -After sending a closing frame, endpoints immediately enter the closing state. -During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a closing frame SHOULD respond -to any packet that it receives with another packet containing a closing frame. ```suggestion ``` > -After sending a closing frame, endpoints immediately enter the closing state. -During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a closing frame SHOULD respond -to any packet that it receives with another packet containing a closing frame. ```suggestion ``` > -After sending a closing frame, endpoints immediately enter the closing state. -During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a closing frame SHOULD respond -to any packet that it receives with another packet containing a closing frame. ```suggestion ``` > -After sending a closing frame, endpoints immediately enter the closing state. -During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a closing frame SHOULD respond -to any packet that it receives with another packet containing a closing frame. ```suggestion An endpoint can use the sequence number supplied in the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame to identify connection IDs that it has already received. ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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I've tried to attach suggestions to every comment here. Let me know i= f that works out, it's a new GitHub feature, and a little rough. I'd app= reciate if you look at the suggestions before you do, but please merge th= is ASAP.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

-All subsequent Initial packets from the client MUST use the connection I=
D and
-token values from the Retry packet.  Aside from this, the Initial packet=
 sent
-by the client is subject to the same restrictions as the first Initial p=
acket.
-A client can either reuse the cryptographic handshake message or constru=
ct a
-new one at its discretion.
+A data receiver sends MAX_STREAM_DATA or MAX_DATA frames to the sender t=
o

The paragraph above looks good enough to me. I don't think we need to= set defaults (if this were the only thing that is read, a reader would (= mostly correctly) infer that the values are always set.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +A receiver MAY advertise a larger offset =
at any point by sending MAX_STREAM_DATA
+or MAX_DATA frames.  A receiver cannot renege on an advertisement; that =
is, once
+a receiver advertises an offset, advertising a smaller offset has no eff=
ect.  A
+sender MUST therefore ignore any MAX_STREAM_DATA or MAX_DATA frames that=
 do not
+increase flow control limits.
+
+A receiver MUST close the connection with a FLOW_CONTROL_ERROR error
+({{error-handling}}) if the peer violates the advertised connection or s=
tream
+data limits.
+
+A sender SHOULD send STREAM_BLOCKED or BLOCKED frames to indicate it has=
 data to
+write but is blocked by flow control limits.  These frames are expected =
to be
+sent infrequently in common cases, but they are considered useful for de=
bugging
+and monitoring purposes.
+
+(TODO: Add something about max_stream_id)
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-(TODO: Add something about max_stream_id)
+A similar method is used to control the number of open streams
+see {{stream-limit-increment}} for details.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +willing to receive, the connection will b=
e torn down when too much data arrives.
+Conversely if a sender believes it is blocked, while endpoint B expects =
more
+data can be received, then the connection can be in a deadlock, with the=
 sender
+waiting for a MAX_STREAM_DATA or MAX_DATA frame which will never come.
+
+On receipt of a RST_STREAM frame, an endpoint will tear down state for t=
he
+matching stream and ignore further data arriving on that stream.  This c=
ould
+result in the endpoints getting out of sync, since the RST_STREAM frame =
may have
+arrived out of order and there may be further bytes in flight.  The data=
 sender
+would have counted the data against its connection level flow control bu=
dget,
+but a receiver that has not received these bytes would not know to inclu=
de them
+as well.  The receiver must learn the number of bytes that were sent on =
the
+stream to make the same adjustment in its connection flow controller.
+
+To ensure that endpoints maintain a consistent connection-level flow con=
trol
+state, the RST_STREAM frame {{frame-rst-stream}} includes the largest of=
fset of
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-state, the RST_STREAM frame {{frame-rst-strea=
m}} includes the largest offset of
+state, the RST_STREAM frame ({{frame-rst-stream}}) includes the largest =
offset of

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +is not excessive buffering at multiple la=
yers.
+
+
+## Stream Limit Increment {#stream-limit-increment}
+
+An endpoint limits the number of concurrently active incoming streams by=

+limiting the maximum stream ID.  An initial value is set in the transpor=
t
+parameters (see {{transport-parameter-definitions}}) and is subsequently=

+increased by MAX_STREAM_ID frames (see {{frame-max-stream-id}}).
+
+As with stream and connection flow control, this document leaves when an=
d how
+many streams to make available to a peer via MAX_STREAM_ID to implementa=
tions,
+but offers a few considerations.  MAX_STREAM_ID frames constitute minima=
l
+overhead, while withholding MAX_STREAM_ID frames can prevent the peer fr=
om using
+the available parallelism.
+
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-
+
+The STREAM_ID_BLOCKED frame ({{frame-stream-id-blocked}}) can be
+used to signal a shortage of available streams.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+As with stream and connection flow control, this document leaves when an=
d how
+many streams to make available to a peer via MAX_STREAM_ID to implementa=
tions,
+but offers a few considerations.  MAX_STREAM_ID frames constitute minima=
l
+overhead, while withholding MAX_STREAM_ID frames can prevent the peer fr=
om using
+the available parallelism.
+
+Implementations will likely want to increase the maximum stream ID as
+peer-initiated streams close.  A receiver MAY also advance the maximum s=
tream ID
+based on current activity, system conditions, and other environmental fa=
ctors.
+
+
+# Connections {#connections}
+
+A QUIC connection is a single conversation between two QUIC endpoints.  =
QUIC's
+connection establishment intertwines version negotiation with the crypto=
graphic
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-connection establishment intertwines version =
negotiation with the cryptographic
+connection establishment combines version negotiation with the cryptogra=
phic

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +but offers a few considerations.  MAX_STR=
EAM_ID frames constitute minimal
+overhead, while withholding MAX_STREAM_ID frames can prevent the peer fr=
om using
+the available parallelism.
+
+Implementations will likely want to increase the maximum stream ID as
+peer-initiated streams close.  A receiver MAY also advance the maximum s=
tream ID
+based on current activity, system conditions, and other environmental fa=
ctors.
+
+
+# Connections {#connections}
+
+A QUIC connection is a single conversation between two QUIC endpoints.  =
QUIC's
+connection establishment intertwines version negotiation with the crypto=
graphic
+and transport handshakes to reduce connection establishment latency, as
+described in {{handshake}}.  Once established, a connection may migrate =
to a
+different IP or port at either endpoint, due to NAT rebinding or mobilit=
y, as
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-different IP or port at either endpoint, due =
to NAT rebinding or mobility, as
+different IP or port at either endpoint as

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +based on current activity, system conditi=
ons, and other environmental factors.
+
+
+# Connections {#connections}
+
+A QUIC connection is a single conversation between two QUIC endpoints.  =
QUIC's
+connection establishment intertwines version negotiation with the crypto=
graphic
+and transport handshakes to reduce connection establishment latency, as
+described in {{handshake}}.  Once established, a connection may migrate =
to a
+different IP or port at either endpoint, due to NAT rebinding or mobilit=
y, as
+described in {{migration}}.  Finally, a connection may be terminated by =
either
+endpoint, as described in {{termination}}.
+
+## Connection ID {#connection-id}
+
+Each connection possesses a set of identifiers, any of which could be us=
ed to
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-Each connection possesses a set of identifier=
s, any of which could be used to
+Each connection possesses a set of connection identifiers, or connection=
 IDs,
+each of which can be identify the connection.  Connection IDs are indepe=
ndently
+selected by endpoints; each endpoint selects the connection IDs that its=
 peer
+uses.

Multi-line suggestion, sorry, I don't know how to hit the entire parag= raph.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+
+# Connections {#connections}
+
+A QUIC connection is a single conversation between two QUIC endpoints.  =
QUIC's
+connection establishment intertwines version negotiation with the crypto=
graphic
+and transport handshakes to reduce connection establishment latency, as
+described in {{handshake}}.  Once established, a connection may migrate =
to a
+different IP or port at either endpoint, due to NAT rebinding or mobilit=
y, as
+described in {{migration}}.  Finally, a connection may be terminated by =
either
+endpoint, as described in {{termination}}.
+
+## Connection ID {#connection-id}
+
+Each connection possesses a set of identifiers, any of which could be us=
ed to
+distinguish it from other connections.  Connection IDs are selected
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-distinguish it from other connections.  Conne=
ction IDs are selected

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+# Connections {#connections}
+
+A QUIC connection is a single conversation between two QUIC endpoints.  =
QUIC's
+connection establishment intertwines version negotiation with the crypto=
graphic
+and transport handshakes to reduce connection establishment latency, as
+described in {{handshake}}.  Once established, a connection may migrate =
to a
+different IP or port at either endpoint, due to NAT rebinding or mobilit=
y, as
+described in {{migration}}.  Finally, a connection may be terminated by =
either
+endpoint, as described in {{termination}}.
+
+## Connection ID {#connection-id}
+
+Each connection possesses a set of identifiers, any of which could be us=
ed to
+distinguish it from other connections.  Connection IDs are selected
+independently in each direction.
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-independently in each direction.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +and MUST NOT send packets from any other =
local address.
+
+When an endpoint has requested a non-zero-length connection ID, it needs=
 to
+ensure that the peer has a supply of connection IDs from which to choose=
 for
+packets sent to the endpoint.  These connection IDs are supplied by the =
endpoint
+using the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame ({{frame-new-connection-id}}).
+
+
+### Issuing Connection IDs
+
+Each Connection ID has an associated sequence number to assist in dedupl=
icating
+messages.  The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is sent in th=
e Source
+Connection ID field of the long packet header ({{long-header}}) during t=
he
+handshake.  The sequence number of the initial connection ID is 0.  If t=
he
+preferred_address transport parameter is sent, the sequence number of th=
e
+supplied connection ID is 1. Subsequent connection IDs are communicated =
to the
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-supplied connection ID is 1. Subsequent conne=
ction IDs are communicated to the
+supplied connection ID is 1.
+
+Additional connection IDs are communicated to the

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+When an endpoint has requested a non-zero-length connection ID, it needs=
 to
+ensure that the peer has a supply of connection IDs from which to choose=
 for
+packets sent to the endpoint.  These connection IDs are supplied by the =
endpoint
+using the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame ({{frame-new-connection-id}}).
+
+
+### Issuing Connection IDs
+
+Each Connection ID has an associated sequence number to assist in dedupl=
icating
+messages.  The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is sent in th=
e Source
+Connection ID field of the long packet header ({{long-header}}) during t=
he
+handshake.  The sequence number of the initial connection ID is 0.  If t=
he
+preferred_address transport parameter is sent, the sequence number of th=
e
+supplied connection ID is 1. Subsequent connection IDs are communicated =
to the
+peer using NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames ({{frame-new-connection-id}}), and t=
he
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-peer using NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames ({{frame-=
new-connection-id}}), and the
+peer using NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames ({{frame-new-connection-id}}).  The

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

-The header form and connection ID field of a short header packet are
-version-independent.  The remaining fields are specific to the selected =
QUIC
-version.  See {{QUIC-INVARIANTS}} for details on how packets from differ=
ent
-versions of QUIC are interpreted.
+<!-- TODO: We are missing a paragraph on failed packet protection rem=
oval
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-<!-- TODO: We are missing a paragraph on f=
ailed packet protection removal
+Packets that are matched to an existing connection, but for which the en=
dpoint
+cannot remove packet protection, are discarded.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

-The header form and connection ID field of a short header packet are
-version-independent.  The remaining fields are specific to the selected =
QUIC
-version.  See {{QUIC-INVARIANTS}} for details on how packets from differ=
ent
-versions of QUIC are interpreted.
+<!-- TODO: We are missing a paragraph on failed packet protection rem=
oval
+here. We probably want that.-->
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-here. We probably want that.-->

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

-## Version Negotiation Packet {#packet-version}
+Valid packets sent to clients always include a Destination Connection ID=
 that
+matches the value the client selects.  Clients that choose to receive
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-matches the value the client selects.  Client=
s that choose to receive
+matches a value the client selects.  Clients that choose to receive

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

-The sender MUST use a packet number size able to represent more than twi=
ce as
-large a range than the difference between the largest acknowledged packe=
t and
-packet number being sent.  A peer receiving the packet will then correct=
ly
-decode the packet number, unless the packet is delayed in transit such t=
hat it
-arrives after many higher-numbered packets have been received.  An endpo=
int
-SHOULD use a large enough packet number encoding to allow the packet num=
ber to
-be recovered even if the packet arrives after packets that are sent afte=
rwards.
+{{tls-0rtt-handshake}} shows an example of a connection with a 0-RTT han=
dshake
+and a single packet of 0-RTT data. Note that as described in {{packet-nu=
mbers}},
+the server ACKs the 0-RTT data at the 1-RTT encryption level, and the cl=
ient's
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-the server ACKs the 0-RTT data at the 1-RTT e=
ncryption level, and the client's
+the server acknowledges 0-RTT data at the 1-RTT encryption level, and th=
e
+client sends 1-RTT packets in the same packet number space.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

-The sender MUST use a packet number size able to represent more than twi=
ce as
-large a range than the difference between the largest acknowledged packe=
t and
-packet number being sent.  A peer receiving the packet will then correct=
ly
-decode the packet number, unless the packet is delayed in transit such t=
hat it
-arrives after many higher-numbered packets have been received.  An endpo=
int
-SHOULD use a large enough packet number encoding to allow the packet num=
ber to
-be recovered even if the packet arrives after packets that are sent afte=
rwards.
+{{tls-0rtt-handshake}} shows an example of a connection with a 0-RTT han=
dshake
+and a single packet of 0-RTT data. Note that as described in {{packet-nu=
mbers}},
+the server ACKs the 0-RTT data at the 1-RTT encryption level, and the cl=
ient's
+sequence numbers at the 1-RTT encryption level continue to increment fro=
m its
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-sequence numbers at the 1-RTT encryption leve=
l continue to increment from its

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

-The sender MUST use a packet number size able to represent more than twi=
ce as
-large a range than the difference between the largest acknowledged packe=
t and
-packet number being sent.  A peer receiving the packet will then correct=
ly
-decode the packet number, unless the packet is delayed in transit such t=
hat it
-arrives after many higher-numbered packets have been received.  An endpo=
int
-SHOULD use a large enough packet number encoding to allow the packet num=
ber to
-be recovered even if the packet arrives after packets that are sent afte=
rwards.
+{{tls-0rtt-handshake}} shows an example of a connection with a 0-RTT han=
dshake
+and a single packet of 0-RTT data. Note that as described in {{packet-nu=
mbers}},
+the server ACKs the 0-RTT data at the 1-RTT encryption level, and the cl=
ient's
+sequence numbers at the 1-RTT encryption level continue to increment fro=
m its
+0-RTT packets.
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-0-RTT packets.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

-After sending a closing frame, endpoints immediately enter the closing s=
tate.
-During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a closing frame SHOULD=
 respond
-to any packet that it receives with another packet containing a closing =
frame.
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-to any packet that it receives with another p=
acket containing a closing frame.
+  {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}, until either all data has been acknowledged.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

-After sending a closing frame, endpoints immediately enter the closing s=
tate.
-During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a closing frame SHOULD=
 respond
-to any packet that it receives with another packet containing a closing =
frame.
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-to any packet that it receives with another p=
acket containing a closing frame.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

-After sending a closing frame, endpoints immediately enter the closing s=
tate.
-During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a closing frame SHOULD=
 respond
-to any packet that it receives with another packet containing a closing =
frame.
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-to any packet that it receives with another p=
acket containing a closing frame.

I think that this is fine as it is. If it were longer, maybe, but it'= s a nice size now and the two concepts are very closely related.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

-After sending a closing frame, endpoints immediately enter the closing s=
tate.
-During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a closing frame SHOULD=
 respond
-to any packet that it receives with another packet containing a closing =
frame.
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-to any packet that it receives with another p=
acket containing a closing frame.
+
+<!-- TODO: delete this section after confirming that it is redundant =
-->

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

-After sending a closing frame, endpoints immediately enter the closing s=
tate.
-During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a closing frame SHOULD=
 respond
-to any packet that it receives with another packet containing a closing =
frame.
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-to any packet that it receives with another p=
acket containing a closing frame.
+
+<!-- TODO: split out definition of PreferredAddress -->

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

-After sending a closing frame, endpoints immediately enter the closing s=
tate.
-During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a closing frame SHOULD=
 respond
-to any packet that it receives with another packet containing a closing =
frame.

I'm not sure that I like the fact that the specific transport paramete= rs are described way back up top now. I think that having the descriptio= n of each down here is better. There's a lot of encoding information in = them, and we don't generally rely on the definitions of transport paramet= ers for much. Anything we do need can use a forward reference.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

-After sending a closing frame, endpoints immediately enter the closing s=
tate.
-During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a closing frame SHOULD=
 respond
-to any packet that it receives with another packet containing a closing =
frame.
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-to any packet that it receives with another p=
acket containing a closing frame.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

-After sending a closing frame, endpoints immediately enter the closing s=
tate.
-During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a closing frame SHOULD=
 respond
-to any packet that it receives with another packet containing a closing =
frame.
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-to any packet that it receives with another p=
acket containing a closing frame.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

-After sending a closing frame, endpoints immediately enter the closing s=
tate.
-During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a closing frame SHOULD=
 respond
-to any packet that it receives with another packet containing a closing =
frame.
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-to any packet that it receives with another p=
acket containing a closing frame.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

-After sending a closing frame, endpoints immediately enter the closing s=
tate.
-During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a closing frame SHOULD=
 respond
-to any packet that it receives with another packet containing a closing =
frame.
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-to any packet that it receives with another p=
acket containing a closing frame.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

-After sending a closing frame, endpoints immediately enter the closing s=
tate.
-During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a closing frame SHOULD=
 respond
-to any packet that it receives with another packet containing a closing =
frame.
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-to any packet that it receives with another p=
acket containing a closing frame.
+An endpoint can use the sequence number supplied in the NEW_CONNECTION_I=
D frame
+to identify connection IDs that it has already received.

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I tried reading the HTTP/2 mapping draft (-15) to answer a question regarding the QUIC stream usage by HTTP/2 over QUIC. And that failed misserably until I looked at the slides from Montreal IETF meeting.

Where I think there are need for clarification are:

Section 3.: Here a general overview of the how the four streams per HTTP request are used and assigned. Currently it says that client bi-directional will be every fourth 0,4, 8 etc. Nothing more aobut which streams are which of the remaining three, not even which names are used for them.

In Section 3.3.3 the first mention of the word "push stream" occurs. That appears to indicate that a unidirectional stream that starts with a 0x43 stream type is then barred from use by any other stream type. I think 3.3 has to be clearer that the usages of unidirectional streams are not necessarily connected to the HTTP request response happening on the bi-directional stream. And that implementations needing a new unidirectional stream simple takes the next free (X+2/3) mod 4 depending on direction.

I think it would be good to exemplify in the HTTP draft that a connection for HTTP/2 will have a number of unidirectional streams that are used long term or some short term and then closed and that one can't rely on stream ID being in the group related to a particular request.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1728,9 +1728,9 @@ disable_migration (0x0009):
 
 max_ack_delay (0x000c):
 
-: An 8 bit unsigned integer value indicating the maximum amount of time in
-  milliseconds by which it will delay sending of acknowledgments.  If this
-  value is absent, a default of 25 milliseconds is assumed.
+: The maximum delay (in milliseconds) used to send acknowledgements, encoded as
+  an 8-bit unsigned integer.  If this value is absent, a default of 25

OK, this is good.

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@dtikhonov pushed 3 commits.

  • ab99715 Revert "Fix max_ack_delay: it's the *sender's* delay value"
  • 0acc50b Revert "Improve description of max_ack_delay transport parameter"
  • b63e386 Use Martin Thomson's suggestion to improve max_ack_delay description

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Oh, yes please. That would make the text much easier to read.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1729,8 +1729,8 @@ disable_migration (0x0009):
 max_ack_delay (0x000c):
 
 : An 8 bit unsigned integer value indicating the maximum amount of time in
-  milliseconds by which it will delay sending of acknowledgments.  If this
-  value is absent, a default of 25 milliseconds is assumed.
+  milliseconds by which the endpoint will delay sending of acknowledgments.

nit: I think "sending acknowledgements." reads a bit better than "sending of acknowledgments."

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And we have at most 1280 for IP packets without PMTU, which leads to 1232 payload. We may want to reconsider the 1280 limit. > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour There is text above the diagram. Did you mean something else? > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour I like this. We already have a "Connections" section, and we can add a lifecycle subsection there that goes into the way the different subsequent sections are connected. We'll also have to slightly shift the focus of the validation section from address to address and path validation, which is fine I think. FWIW, for now, I'll move this to a top level section, add a connection lifecycle placeholder in the Connections section, and leave path validation where it is for now. We can see how well this works out in the next iteration. > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour SGTM. > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour Good point; added. > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour agreed. added a TODO. > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour What won't include non-probing frames? Also, non-probing frames are defined below. > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour Removing "to" doesn't make sense. But I've re-phrased the sentence. > +The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour I don't think this belongs under the Acknowledgment section, but I'm not thrilled with this here either. I'm leaving a TODO, to come back to this. > -It is possible that a peer is spoofing its source address to cause an endpoint -to send excessive amounts of data to an unwilling host. If the endpoint sends -significantly more data than the spoofing peer, connection migration might be -used to amplify the volume of data that an attacker can generate toward a -victim. +Senders MUST NOT coalesce QUIC packets with different Destination Connection +IDs into a single UDP datagram. Receivers SHOULD ignore any subsequent packets I am taking this in. I don't think we want to be dealing with coalescing packets from multiple connections, certainly not in v1. > -If an endpoint skips validation of a peer address as described in -{{migration-response}}, it does not need to limit its sending rate. +Retry ({{packet-retry}}) and Version Negotiation ({{packet-version}}) packets +cannot be coalesced. Added. I've already answered the question of coalescing multiple short header packets more than once. It'll be good to deal with it too. > -#### Handling Address Spoofing by an On-path Attacker {#on-path-spoofing} +## Connection ID Encoding Moved to handshake section for now, with a TODO to check if it's the right place. > -Migrating a connection to a new server address mid-connection is left for future -work. If a client receives packets from a new server address not indicated by -the preferred_address transport parameter, the client SHOULD discard these -packets. +In the QUIC long and short packet headers, the number of bits required to I've moved a bunch to Packet Formats, under a new section called Packet Number Encoding and Decoding for now. > -The server SHOULD also initiate path validation of the client using its -preferred address and the address from which it received the client probe. This -helps to guard against spurious migration initiated by an attacker. +A receiver MUST discard a newly unprotected packet unless it is certain that it I don't think we can move this further up. We need to describe spaces first, and then there are only two rules -- sender MUST not send dups and receiver MUST not process dups. > -Connections should remain open until they become idle for a pre-negotiated -period of time. A QUIC connection, once established, can be terminated in one -of three ways: +| Type Value | Frame Type Name | Definition | +|:------------|:---------------------|:-------------------------------| +| 0x00 | PADDING | {{frame-padding}} | What did you want to reorder here? > -Disposing of connection state prior to the end My brain is tired right now, but what do you want to change this to? If I send and receive 1-RTT packets, I can assume that all initial and handshake keyed packets do not need retransmission anymore, right? > -Disposing of connection state prior to the end Nope, I think this is legacy and incorrect > -Disposing of connection state prior to the end I think we need a different taxonomy. Perhaps "Special packets" are a different class of packet. I'll add a comment here, and let's revisit this. > -Disposing of connection state prior to the end I've moved the first para in the example hadnshake section, the last para into the Initial packet section, and removed this heading. > -Disposing of connection state prior to the end Yup, done. > -signal that it wishes to abandon transmission of stream data. Similarly, the -endpoint might receive a STOP_SENDING frame from its peer. In either case, the -endpoint sends a RST_STREAM frame, which causes the stream to enter the "Reset -Sent" state. - -An endpoint MAY send a RST_STREAM as the first frame on a send stream; this -causes the send stream to open and then immediately transition to the "Reset -Sent" state. - -Once a packet containing a RST_STREAM has been acknowledged, the send stream -enters the "Reset Recvd" state, which is a terminal state. - - -### Receive Stream States {#stream-recv-states} - -{{fig-s Done. I've also reworked that section, and left a comment to take a second look at that text. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1857#discussion_r225382721 ----==_mimepart_5bc89f182718a_1aa33fc4abad45bc1166f0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

At least 1200 is what we have elsewhere. And we have at most 1280 for IP packets without PMTU, which leads to 1232 payload. We may want to reconsider the 1280 limit.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

There is text above the diagram. Did you mean something else?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

I like this. We already have a "Connections" section, and we can add a lifecycle subsection there that goes into the way the different subsequent sections are connected. We'll also have to slightly shift the focus of the validation section from address to address and path validation, which is fine I think. FWIW, for now, I'll move this to a top level section, add a connection lifecycle placeholder in the Connections section, and leave path validation where it is for now. We can see how well this works out in the next iteration.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

SGTM.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

Good point; added.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

agreed. added a TODO.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

What won't include non-probing frames? Also, non-probing frames are defined below.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

Removing "to" doesn't make sense. But I've re-phrased the sentence.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Sour

I don't think this belongs under the Acknowledgment section, but I'm not thrilled with this here either. I'm leaving a TODO, to come back to this.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-It is possible that a peer is spoofing its source address to cause an endpoint
-to send excessive amounts of data to an unwilling host.  If the endpoint sends
-significantly more data than the spoofing peer, connection migration might be
-used to amplify the volume of data that an attacker can generate toward a
-victim.
+Senders MUST NOT coalesce QUIC packets with different Destination Connection
+IDs into a single UDP datagram. Receivers SHOULD ignore any subsequent packets

I am taking this in. I don't think we want to be dealing with coalescing packets from multiple connections, certainly not in v1.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-If an endpoint skips validation of a peer address as described in
-{{migration-response}}, it does not need to limit its sending rate.
+Retry ({{packet-retry}}) and Version Negotiation ({{packet-version}}) packets
+cannot be coalesced.

Added. I've already answered the question of coalescing multiple short header packets more than once. It'll be good to deal with it too.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 
-#### Handling Address Spoofing by an On-path Attacker {#on-path-spoofing}
+## Connection ID Encoding

Moved to handshake section for now, with a TODO to check if it's the right place.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Migrating a connection to a new server address mid-connection is left for future
-work. If a client receives packets from a new server address not indicated by
-the preferred_address transport parameter, the client SHOULD discard these
-packets.
+In the QUIC long and short packet headers, the number of bits required to

I've moved a bunch to Packet Formats, under a new section called Packet Number Encoding and Decoding for now.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-The server SHOULD also initiate path validation of the client using its
-preferred address and the address from which it received the client probe.  This
-helps to guard against spurious migration initiated by an attacker.
+A receiver MUST discard a newly unprotected packet unless it is certain that it

I don't think we can move this further up. We need to describe spaces first, and then there are only two rules -- sender MUST not send dups and receiver MUST not process dups.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Connections should remain open until they become idle for a pre-negotiated
-period of time.  A QUIC connection, once established, can be terminated in one
-of three ways:
+| Type Value  | Frame Type Name      | Definition                     |
+|:------------|:---------------------|:-------------------------------|
+| 0x00        | PADDING              | {{frame-padding}}              |

What did you want to reorder here?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Disposing of connection state prior to the end

My brain is tired right now, but what do you want to change this to? If I send and receive 1-RTT packets, I can assume that all initial and handshake keyed packets do not need retransmission anymore, right?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Disposing of connection state prior to the end

Nope, I think this is legacy and incorrect

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Disposing of connection state prior to the end

I think we need a different taxonomy. Perhaps "Special packets" are a different class of packet. I'll add a comment here, and let's revisit this.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Disposing of connection state prior to the end

I've moved the first para in the example hadnshake section, the last para into the Initial packet section, and removed this heading.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Disposing of connection state prior to the end

Yup, done.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -signal that it wishes to abandon transmission of stream data.  Similarly, the
-endpoint might receive a STOP_SENDING frame from its peer.  In either case, the
-endpoint sends a RST_STREAM frame, which causes the stream to enter the "Reset
-Sent" state.
-
-An endpoint MAY send a RST_STREAM as the first frame on a send stream; this
-causes the send stream to open and then immediately transition to the "Reset
-Sent" state.
-
-Once a packet containing a RST_STREAM has been acknowledged, the send stream
-enters the "Reset Recvd" state, which is a terminal state.
-
-
-### Receive Stream States {#stream-recv-states}
-
-{{fig-s

Done. I've also reworked that section, and left a comment to take a second look at that text.

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Agreed. We have a few things which are mostly duplicates between recovery and transport, which is unfortunate, but I think ends up being helpful in cases like this?

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No, the known deadlocks are flow control footguns, which require application misuse.

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Closed #1880.

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Yep.

The receiver of a stream sends MAX_STREAM_DATA (Section 7.7) and STOP_SENDING frames (Section 7.14).

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Can you take a look at the reorg= anized version? I'm sure there's still room to improve, but I think = the use of different stream types should be clearer.

I'm explicitly trying to avoid assuming which Stream IDs will be which= stream types in the HTTP spec, because that could change in a future ver= sion of QUIC. The place where I do, I should probably caveat it with "In= version 1 of QUIC...."

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think it's a bit different, but it is similar. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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I think it's a bit different, but it is similar.

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Fixes #1879.

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  • Escape single quotes in static table

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Maybe we should hold this as THE killer feature for QUICv2.

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Cryptographic handshake messages subsequent to the first do not need to fit within a single UDP datagram. +### Handling of Fatal Initial Packets + +The contents of some Initial packets may, according to this specification, force +connection termination. For example, they might contain forbidden frame types +or a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame. As Initial packets are not protected, these could +indicate injection attacks to terminate the connection. + +Endpoints MAY treat the receipt of such packets as a connection error, drop them The more I think about this, I think this is basically an intractable problem unless one is willing to keep copies of the QUIC handshake state machinery. 1) If you start processing a packet, and process one frame, then the next frame is invalid, you'd have to rewind/discard the state machinery. Is that what you're recommending? 2) You have text that indicates you should process Initial packets, but not treat them as errors once you have received a Handshake packet, but similar to my first concern, I think that's fairly impractical unless you keep copies of the handshake. 3) One could ACK initial packets, but not process them, but then if the client ACKs a packet that was never sent, the server can close the connection, so you're still in a bad place. To be clear, I sort of hate implicit ACKs of Initial, but we keep making decisions, such as that only Handshake packets count as address confirmation, that make most frames sent in Initial useless. I have https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1862 to fix the rest of the deadlock case, but that would be fixed if we didn't send ACKs in Initial and relied upon implicit ACKs instead. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -736,6 +733,18 @@ and will contain a CRYPTO frame with an offset matching the size of the CRYPTO
 frame sent in the first Initial packet.  Cryptographic handshake messages
 subsequent to the first do not need to fit within a single UDP datagram.
 
+### Handling of Fatal Initial Packets
+
+The contents of some Initial packets may, according to this specification, force
+connection termination. For example, they might contain forbidden frame types
+or a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame. As Initial packets are not protected, these could
+indicate injection attacks to terminate the connection.
+
+Endpoints MAY treat the receipt of such packets as a connection error, drop them

The more I think about this, I think this is basically an intractable problem unless one is willing to keep copies of the QUIC handshake state machinery.

  1. If you start processing a packet, and process one frame, then the next frame is invalid, you'd have to rewind/discard the state machinery. Is that what you're recommending?
  2. You have text that indicates you should process Initial packets, but not treat them as errors once you have received a Handshake packet, but similar to my first concern, I think that's fairly impractical unless you keep copies of the handshake.
  3. One could ACK initial packets, but not process them, but then if the client ACKs a packet that was never sent, the server can close the connection, so you're still in a bad place.

To be clear, I sort of hate implicit ACKs of Initial, but we keep making decisions, such as that only Handshake packets count as address confirmation, that make most frames sent in Initial useless. I have #1862 to fix the rest of the deadlock case, but that would be fixed if we didn't send ACKs in Initial and relied upon implicit ACKs instead.

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There is one commit I'm not taking in, but everything else looks good. I really wanted to try this new feature -- it is great, except that (i) every single comment is a separate commit, which doesn't scale well, and (ii) github UI pipeline is breaking somewhere, and shows incorrect text for suggested deletions at higher line numbers. The line numbers seem fine. > -All subsequent Initial packets from the client MUST use the connection ID and -token values from the Retry packet. Aside from this, the Initial packet sent -by the client is subject to the same restrictions as the first Initial packet. -A client can either reuse the cryptographic handshake message or construct a -new one at its discretion. +A data receiver sends MAX_STREAM_DATA or MAX_DATA frames to the sender to I added that paragraph based on martinduke's comment, and yes, I agree that we don't need to recommend setting defaults. > +based on current activity, system conditions, and other environmental factors. + + +# Connections {#connections} + +A QUIC connection is a single conversation between two QUIC endpoints. QUIC's +connection establishment intertwines version negotiation with the cryptographic +and transport handshakes to reduce connection establishment latency, as +described in {{handshake}}. Once established, a connection may migrate to a +different IP or port at either endpoint, due to NAT rebinding or mobility, as +described in {{migration}}. Finally, a connection may be terminated by either +endpoint, as described in {{termination}}. + +## Connection ID {#connection-id} + +Each connection possesses a set of identifiers, any of which could be used to This has always been a limitation -- you can't comment on blocks. It seems to be leaking into this feature too. > -After sending a closing frame, endpoints immediately enter the closing state. -During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a closing frame SHOULD respond -to any packet that it receives with another packet containing a closing frame. I'm not taking this yet - I don't think this should be removed. Let's discuss this after this PR. > -After sending a closing frame, endpoints immediately enter the closing state. -During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a closing frame SHOULD respond -to any packet that it receives with another packet containing a closing frame. Something is broken here. This suggested patch doesn't make sense. > -After sending a closing frame, endpoints immediately enter the closing state. -During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a closing frame SHOULD respond -to any packet that it receives with another packet containing a closing frame. Again, this suggested patch does not make sense. I think you're talking about the TODO, which I agree, and I'll remove, but the suggested patch is incorrect. Looking closer, the line number is correct, but the text it shows is broken. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1857#pullrequestreview-166140557 ----==_mimepart_5bc8f817e0354_2abc3fadc5ed45c41127b4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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There is one commit I'm not taking in, but everything else looks good. I really wanted to try this new feature -- it is great, except that (i) every single comment is a separate commit, which doesn't scale well, and (ii) github UI pipeline is breaking somewhere, and shows incorrect text for suggested deletions at higher line numbers. The line numbers seem fine.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-All subsequent Initial packets from the client MUST use the connection ID and
-token values from the Retry packet.  Aside from this, the Initial packet sent
-by the client is subject to the same restrictions as the first Initial packet.
-A client can either reuse the cryptographic handshake message or construct a
-new one at its discretion.
+A data receiver sends MAX_STREAM_DATA or MAX_DATA frames to the sender to

I added that paragraph based on martinduke's comment, and yes, I agree that we don't need to recommend setting defaults.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +based on current activity, system conditions, and other environmental factors.
+
+
+# Connections {#connections}
+
+A QUIC connection is a single conversation between two QUIC endpoints.  QUIC's
+connection establishment intertwines version negotiation with the cryptographic
+and transport handshakes to reduce connection establishment latency, as
+described in {{handshake}}.  Once established, a connection may migrate to a
+different IP or port at either endpoint, due to NAT rebinding or mobility, as
+described in {{migration}}.  Finally, a connection may be terminated by either
+endpoint, as described in {{termination}}.
+
+## Connection ID {#connection-id}
+
+Each connection possesses a set of identifiers, any of which could be used to

This has always been a limitation -- you can't comment on blocks. It seems to be leaking into this feature too.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-After sending a closing frame, endpoints immediately enter the closing state.
-During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a closing frame SHOULD respond
-to any packet that it receives with another packet containing a closing frame.

I'm not taking this yet - I don't think this should be removed. Let's discuss this after this PR.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-After sending a closing frame, endpoints immediately enter the closing state.
-During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a closing frame SHOULD respond
-to any packet that it receives with another packet containing a closing frame.

Something is broken here. This suggested patch doesn't make sense.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-After sending a closing frame, endpoints immediately enter the closing state.
-During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a closing frame SHOULD respond
-to any packet that it receives with another packet containing a closing frame.

Again, this suggested patch does not make sense. I think you're talking about the TODO, which I agree, and I'll remove, but the suggested patch is incorrect. Looking closer, the line number is correct, but the text it shows is broken.

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Cryptographic handshake messages subsequent to the first do not need to fit within a single UDP datagram. +### Handling of Fatal Initial Packets + +The contents of some Initial packets may, according to this specification, force +connection termination. For example, they might contain forbidden frame types +or a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame. As Initial packets are not protected, these could +indicate injection attacks to terminate the connection. + +Endpoints MAY treat the receipt of such packets as a connection error, drop them So why is there such resistance against implicit ACKs in handshake, when the solve a concrete problem, as opposed to a being a whacky optimization? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1819#discussion_r226467403 ----==_mimepart_5bc8f875e264c_53c03fd47dcd45c422006e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -736,6 +733,18 @@ and will contain a CRYPTO frame with an offset matching the size of the CRYPTO
 frame sent in the first Initial packet.  Cryptographic handshake messages
 subsequent to the first do not need to fit within a single UDP datagram.
 
+### Handling of Fatal Initial Packets
+
+The contents of some Initial packets may, according to this specification, force
+connection termination. For example, they might contain forbidden frame types
+or a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame. As Initial packets are not protected, these could
+indicate injection attacks to terminate the connection.
+
+Endpoints MAY treat the receipt of such packets as a connection error, drop them

So why is there such resistance against implicit ACKs in handshake, when the solve a concrete problem, as opposed to a being a whacky optimization?

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You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1884 -- Commit Summary -- * Editorial commitment * Move content into a Request Lifecycle section * Move Extensions before Error Handling * Move H2 Considerations to an appendix * Expand introduction, discuss relationship with HTTP and TCP * Fix reserved version example * Narrow restriction on server sending before SETTINGS * Better discussion of QUIC streams * Fix references, reorder unidirectional stream section * General framing layer fixups * PRIORITY fixups; fixes #1848 * CANCEL_PUSH fixups * SETTINGS fixups * Import definition of MAX_HEADER_LIST_SIZE * PUSH_PROMISE fixups * MAX_PUSH_ID fixup * Headers and message formatting fixups * Cancellation and CONNECT fixups * Tighten some redundancies * Explicitly mention error upgrades * Generalize varint text in Security Considerations * Keep H2 Considerations up-to-date * has incorporates * Use a/the consistently * Moved stream stuff up and added intro text to describe structure of doc * Lucas's s/p/P/ * Moved major sections around. * created packets and frames section and moved things about * modified intro, made error codes first level section * Done through connection migration section * addresses mt's comments. * detailed structure in intro * most of martinduke comments * added initial values in flow control * lint * max_stream_id * parenthesize * parenthesize * stream-id-blocked frame * s/intertwines/combines * unnecessary text * connection id para * connection id contd * connection id contd * s/subsequent/additional * shorter sentences * packet protection TODO * packet protection TODO contd * s/the/a * s/acks/acknowledges * unnecessary text * unnecessary text * last of mt's comments * lint * lint * Merge pull request #1857 from quicwg/reorganize_transport * correct changelog -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (1386) M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md (4) M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (6084) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1884.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1884.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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This PR reorganizes the contents of the transport, http, and qpack drafts.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1884

Commit Summary

  • Editorial commitment
  • Move content into a Request Lifecycle section
  • Move Extensions before Error Handling
  • Move H2 Considerations to an appendix
  • Expand introduction, discuss relationship with HTTP and TCP
  • Fix reserved version example
  • Narrow restriction on server sending before SETTINGS
  • Better discussion of QUIC streams
  • Fix references, reorder unidirectional stream section
  • General framing layer fixups
  • PRIORITY fixups; fixes #1848
  • CANCEL_PUSH fixups
  • SETTINGS fixups
  • Import definition of MAX_HEADER_LIST_SIZE
  • PUSH_PROMISE fixups
  • MAX_PUSH_ID fixup
  • Headers and message formatting fixups
  • Cancellation and CONNECT fixups
  • Tighten some redundancies
  • Explicitly mention error upgrades
  • Generalize varint text in Security Considerations
  • Keep H2 Considerations up-to-date
  • has incorporates
  • Use a/the consistently
  • Moved stream stuff up and added intro text to describe structure of doc
  • Lucas's s/p/P/
  • Moved major sections around.
  • created packets and frames section and moved things about
  • modified intro, made error codes first level section
  • Done through connection migration section
  • addresses mt's comments.
  • detailed structure in intro
  • most of martinduke comments
  • added initial values in flow control
  • lint
  • max_stream_id
  • parenthesize
  • parenthesize
  • stream-id-blocked frame
  • s/intertwines/combines
  • unnecessary text
  • connection id para
  • connection id contd
  • connection id contd
  • s/subsequent/additional
  • shorter sentences
  • packet protection TODO
  • packet protection TODO contd
  • s/the/a
  • s/acks/acknowledges
  • unnecessary text
  • unnecessary text
  • last of mt's comments
  • lint
  • lint
  • Merge pull request #1857 from quicwg/reorganize_transport
  • correct changelog

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Commit: 462feeeaaec86ba41a8daddc8363c0257f3fdabc https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/462feeeaaec86ba41a8daddc8363c0257f3fdabc Author: ianswett Date: 2018-10-09 (Tue, 09 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Terminate the connection if there are no frames (#1839) Fixes #1835 Commit: b58e366d71db8926b95f6e07554ff08050991f7f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b58e366d71db8926b95f6e07554ff08050991f7f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-10 (Wed, 10 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1841 from martinduke/patch-23 Fix Frame # for RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID Commit: fd1452a34679cd13816b6acfb474a10952b511a6 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fd1452a34679cd13816b6acfb474a10952b511a6 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-10-12 (Fri, 12 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- sent_packet, not lost_packet Fixes #1854 Commit: 840fbe01aef18b47577aaf9cf60aef2cdcf4e04c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/840fbe01aef18b47577aaf9cf60aef2cdcf4e04c Author: ianswett Date: 2018-10-16 (Tue, 16 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Replace handshake with crypto (#1859) * Replace handshake with crypto This replaces #1842 and tries to fix everything to consistently use crypto packets instead of handshake packets. Fixes #1836. * Martin's comments * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md * remove stray keypress * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md * Most of Mike's comments * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: e366bc1185e989bb7b4aa310b02dde2d946d6fca https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e366bc1185e989bb7b4aa310b02dde2d946d6fca Author: martinduke Date: 2018-10-16 (Tue, 16 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- tiny crypto nit (#1861) missed this one in #1859 Commit: 2836d40e3246f5fa0344b58c0a5209b101b16301 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2836d40e3246f5fa0344b58c0a5209b101b16301 Author: Dmitri Tikhonov Date: 2018-10-17 (Wed, 17 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fix ID-15 changelog: idle timeout was made optional by PR #1765 Ns 1520 and 1521 refer to artefacts in lucas-clemente/quic-go GitHub repository. Commit: 1c72fb7c4d3bd9a42ebae0ac32e48621a1210352 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1c72fb7c4d3bd9a42ebae0ac32e48621a1210352 Author: Dmitri Tikhonov Date: 2018-10-17 (Wed, 17 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- "endpoint" and "peer" do not require gender-neutral pronoun "their" "its" will do. Commit: fb083e7f8cf0c4cc2d8a4a80f891acb98c3c1972 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fb083e7f8cf0c4cc2d8a4a80f891acb98c3c1972 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-18 (Thu, 18 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1868 from dtikhonov/201810171357-fix-transport-id-15-changelog Fix ID-15 changelog: idle timeout was made optional by PR #1765 Commit: d5da70d5a946c06aba42c1af43e572e5af14b159 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d5da70d5a946c06aba42c1af43e572e5af14b159 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-18 (Thu, 18 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1870 from dtikhonov/201810171554-drop-gender-neutral-pronouns "endpoint" and "peer" do not require gender-neutral pronoun "their" Commit: fb27f313196b980d62d100a67cba585604c2c862 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fb27f313196b980d62d100a67cba585604c2c862 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-10-18 (Thu, 18 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' into reorganize Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/84b5c577281f...fb27f313196b **NOTE:** This service has been marked for deprecation: https://developer.github.com/changes/2018-04-25-github-services-deprecation/ Functionality will be removed from GitHub.com on January 31st, 2019. ----==_mimepart_5bc8fc6d13dc5_30222ad35d5aa57c946fe-- From nobody Thu Oct 18 14:36:45 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08FF3130E23 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2018 14:36:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.064, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mqGfidxdwvGp for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2018 14:36:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 738F5130ECD for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2018 14:36:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 14:36:33 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539898593; bh=N33bREppmXa07IxcNOD90PN1MZq3JQjxAVG91EW5jxU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=0Vpc0B3lgl7csDdxTcAT3A7tNlamCMoRkSqfBFxlWxgeYx8YgJ1TQQGEqfXqDduqC uYVVS2yVSrNUXvhFTAeCDziYesSP/lLnemtRK1NgYkDZQgHqsRReJN76UlinFVIcxK q4GwYtlfLBhi1SEV8goY9T6j4buKhcGN8imlviY4= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Push Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Reorganizes drafts (#1884) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bc8fce1b9114_3e33faa5ced45b8219490"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: push X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 21:36:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bc8fce1b9114_3e33faa5ced45b8219490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @janaiyengar pushed 1 commit. fb27f31 Merge branch 'master' into reorganize -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -736,6 +733,18 @@ and will contain a CRYPTO frame with an offset matching the size of the CRYPTO
 frame sent in the first Initial packet.  Cryptographic handshake messages
 subsequent to the first do not need to fit within a single UDP datagram.
 
+### Handling of Fatal Initial Packets
+
+The contents of some Initial packets may, according to this specification, force
+connection termination. For example, they might contain forbidden frame types
+or a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame. As Initial packets are not protected, these could
+indicate injection attacks to terminate the connection.
+
+Endpoints MAY treat the receipt of such packets as a connection error, drop them

I believe we've also said previously we don't care about man on the side attacks, but I think it's clear we do, but we don't want to do a full analysis of them, which leaves us in a weird place.

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In the common case of a long response body that is dynamically generated, it is not possible to know the full length up front. Instead, the body is often read in chucks from some backend/data source and written to the wire as it's available. Since response bodies need to be encoded in DATA frames with an explicit length this typically means splitting the body into numerous chunks. Instead if would be more efficient if we could set a length of "until end of stream" (encoded as 0 or some such) which would allow the sender to write a single DATA frame header and the simply send the entire body without additional framing.

HTTP/2 explicitly tries to avoid overly long frames. This is a feature for HTTP/2 in which the frames for multiple streams are sent on the same in-order sequence of bytes, so a long frame potentially introduces head of line blocking for other higher priority data. But for QUIC there is no such concern since these DATA frames are all within the same stream.

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I'm sympathetic to the issue but not sure it needs fixing in v1. What is= worse case overhead?

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= ----==_mimepart_5bc918899db95_1eb23fe89d4d45c012814b-- From nobody Thu Oct 18 16:43:25 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6D3E130E67 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2018 16:43:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.064, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R82k6Ww95Qug for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2018 16:43:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 74012130E64 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2018 16:43:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 16:43:20 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539906200; bh=BuUV4eZbii6xQ1+rx2eCx/ruk1lwNt5Hwot4+si95wo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=XwJoqQM+gYSFqhPsqTWmQoqE0XUFpMUkx9Gud+exFFf3epjhhp2pUOSXkOAbEWZQX OGHWjakjjZsNVSUdqxRjheF2RoEDjVdWhBsvfmCBgdlKnufcJ1g4uTsSHacA+41nnx TCY25Fr5dF2ELzTGZW//Au0q5lIAz5Pu8C2hpwes= From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Let Endpoints Ignore invalid Initial Packets (#1819) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bc91a98bafec_606e3f86eecd45c411744b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 23:43:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bc91a98bafec_606e3f86eecd45c411744b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinduke commented on this pull request. > @@ -736,6 +733,18 @@ and will contain a CRYPTO frame with an offset matching the size of the CRYPTO frame sent in the first Initial packet. Cryptographic handshake messages subsequent to the first do not need to fit within a single UDP datagram. +### Handling of Fatal Initial Packets + +The contents of some Initial packets may, according to this specification, force +connection termination. For example, they might contain forbidden frame types +or a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame. As Initial packets are not protected, these could +indicate injection attacks to terminate the connection. + +Endpoints MAY treat the receipt of such packets as a connection error, drop them There is nothing you can really do about injection attacks during the Initial phase of the handshake. This PR is more about the 3RTT (or, for lazy implementations, infinite) time that the initial keys remain lying around for use. This radically increases the time where a connection is vulnerable (especially if the server uses the client-generated CID, so that Initial keys are easy to generate). In that context, I'm not sure how you would meaningfully process a late-arriving Initial Packet. Say the attacker sends the server Initial Packet #2 well after the handshake, with ACK, CRYPTO, and CONNECTION_CLOSE frames. Since Initial exchange is actually done, there are no outstanding packets to ACK. Since I've already started handshake CRYPTO exchange, it's too late to deliver any new CRYPTO data. So it is basically impossible to use frames to alter connection state except to bring down the connection by generating an error. If your code sends off an ACK before processing the frames, that is a problem, but that seems like a bad thing to do for other reasons. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1819#discussion_r226498538 ----==_mimepart_5bc91a98bafec_606e3f86eecd45c411744b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -736,6 +733,18 @@ and will contain a CRYPTO frame with an offset matching the size of the CRYPTO
 frame sent in the first Initial packet.  Cryptographic handshake messages
 subsequent to the first do not need to fit within a single UDP datagram.
 
+### Handling of Fatal Initial Packets
+
+The contents of some Initial packets may, according to this specification, force
+connection termination. For example, they might contain forbidden frame types
+or a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame. As Initial packets are not protected, these could
+indicate injection attacks to terminate the connection.
+
+Endpoints MAY treat the receipt of such packets as a connection error, drop them

There is nothing you can really do about injection attacks during the Initial phase of the handshake. This PR is more about the 3RTT (or, for lazy implementations, infinite) time that the initial keys remain lying around for use. This radically increases the time where a connection is vulnerable (especially if the server uses the client-generated CID, so that Initial keys are easy to generate).

In that context, I'm not sure how you would meaningfully process a late-arriving Initial Packet. Say the attacker sends the server Initial Packet #2 well after the handshake, with ACK, CRYPTO, and CONNECTION_CLOSE frames. Since Initial exchange is actually done, there are no outstanding packets to ACK. Since I've already started handshake CRYPTO exchange, it's too late to deliver any new CRYPTO data. So it is basically impossible to use frames to alter connection state except to bring down the connection by generating an error.

If your code sends off an ACK before processing the frames, that is a problem, but that seems like a bad thing to do for other reasons.

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needed a manual merge after the big reorg

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boundary="--==_mimepart_5bc92e5ab11da_4c623fe92c4d45b81316f7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0j1GeeTVbfFaH4XZoLZunROzPodN7/8IYeXK 66N3jku+OReu/k2yumBVuTRYdnSMV6beQvL0PeuvwM4tfjLrbgQDVyu5P8A8glT8H98SezjB1Er3Jx jwCAvgaAnqNSRdLxLNhwr936zPSTRQVtogzfEI2vSlnXgfjoDYZt9V5X/Q3JT1mftYoXOULLBQCsFX Y= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 01:07:43 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bc92e5ab11da_4c623fe92c4d45b81316f7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The two disparate sections on address validation are better together. That means deferring the description of Retry to after the connection establishment section, but I think that makes sense. I've added a forward reference. Aside from moves there is a tiny bit of new glue text in the top of the respective sections. I had to tweak some of it to reflect the reorganization, and I noticed some duplication that I eliminated from the first two paragraphs of the path migration section. I added a picture showing how Retry is added to the handshake flow, addressing a TODO. I merged the sections on dealing with NEW_TOKEN and address validation for future connections (or should that be returning connections...). That was just removing the section heading. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1886 -- Commit Summary -- * Move and consolidate address validation * Move cross references -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (363) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1886.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1886.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1886 ----==_mimepart_5bc92e5ab11da_4c623fe92c4d45b81316f7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The two disparate sections on address validation are better together. That means deferring the description of Retry to after the connection establishment section, but I think that makes sense. I've added a forward reference.

Aside from moves there is a tiny bit of new glue text in the top of the respective sections. I had to tweak some of it to reflect the reorganization, and I noticed some duplication that I eliminated from the first two paragraphs of the path migration section.

I added a picture showing how Retry is added to the handshake flow, addressing a TODO.

I merged the sections on dealing with NEW_TOKEN and address validation for future connections (or should that be returning connections...). That was just removing the section heading.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1886

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  • Move and consolidate address validation
  • Move cross references

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Yup, that's how it sort of needs to work, since both sides need to communicate an offset, and the two ways are via a FIN'd stream or a RST_STREAM frame.

A PR to clarify that is always helpful.

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----==_mimepart_5bc9350643f22_2323f880dad45c46627e-- From nobody Thu Oct 18 18:36:48 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 618C4130E83 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2018 18:36:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.064, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6H4bKL9bbAwJ for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2018 18:36:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED344130E2F for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2018 18:36:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 18:36:44 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539913004; bh=p6829NipBufL1I6Icwu83+M92xT652Ty2sKe308/JII=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ITV4dTBtl9UeHU3hikrdybj21hsjQbz4gbYsOi3M18seI77kFdoLzxKaBBEpzTOrv 3uOvkaPx8HXCfcyU1DsJFJMVdy3iVyNe4Nddhj6asOZWqC8GnicuP8LMHuC8cexzRo ezhXtbTgzgmycXeDdc5Upllpb98uG626+oajLJMU= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] DATA frame encoding is inefficient for long dynamically generated bodies (#1885) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bc9352c72d7_1f163fa50c2d45c455156"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 01:36:47 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bc9352c72d7_1f163fa50c2d45c455156 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I previously missed this potential issue, but I think it's worth fixing, because for cases like large content delivery(ie: video streaming, etc), this minimizes overhead, complexity, and makes it easy to provide a zero-copy API on both the send and receive sides. Also, 0 length is currently disallowed in DATA, so we have a value available in the existing frame we can define as something useful if we'd like. I expect if this was supported, >90% of HTTP DATA frames would use it, which speaks to the prevalence of this use cause. Having to specify a length is in many ways a special case, and the typical case is "the rest of the QUIC stream is DATA". The only two cases I can think of where that wouldn't be true are server push, which is rarely used, and trailers, which are rarely supported and even more rarely used. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1885#issuecomment-431216984 ----==_mimepart_5bc9352c72d7_1f163fa50c2d45c455156 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I previously missed this potential issue, but I think it's worth fixin= g, because for cases like large content delivery(ie: video streaming, etc= ), this minimizes overhead, complexity, and makes it easy to provide a ze= ro-copy API on both the send and receive sides.

Also, 0 length is currently disallowed in DATA, so we have a value ava= ilable in the existing frame we can define as something useful if we'd li= ke.

I expect if this was supported, >90% of HTTP DATA frames would use = it, which speaks to the prevalence of this use cause. Having to specify = a length is in many ways a special case, and the typical case is "the res= t of the QUIC stream is DATA". The only two cases I can think of where t= hat wouldn't be true are server push, which is rarely used, and trailers,= which are rarely supported and even more rarely used.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  timeout period.  Upon timeout, the sender=
 MUST retransmit all unacknowledged
 CRYPTO data if possible.
 =

 Until the server has validated the client's address on the path, the=
 number of
 bytes it can send is limited, as specified in {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
-If not all unacknowledged CRYPTO data can be sent, then all CRYPTO data =
sent
-in Initial packets should be retransmitted.  If no bytes may be sent,
-then no alarm should be armed until bytes have been received by the peer=
.
+If not all unacknowledged CRYPTO data can be sent, then all unacknowledg=
ed
+CRYPTO data sent in Initial packets should be retransmitted.  If no byte=
s
+may be sent, then no alarm should be armed until bytes have been receive=
d from
+the client.
+
+Because the server may be blocked until more packets are received, the
+client MUST arm the crypto retransmission alarm even if there is no

timer, not alarm

=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-client MUST arm the crypto retransmission ala=
rm even if there is no
+client MUST start the crypto retransmission timer even if there is no

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New feature! Be prepared to take this to Bangkok and have it resolved there. I think that we're close to saying "no" to these automatically.

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To clarify, this is a minor change to an existing frame.

Also, not many people have implementation experience with the HTTP mapping, so we're going to hit some small issues like this as implementers catch up.

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----==_mimepart_5bc937de69c07_56a23fe56e0d45c462164e-- From nobody Thu Oct 18 18:49:48 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D6BE126DBF for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2018 18:49:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.064, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BSSz8mM4lATc for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2018 18:49:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 59B33124D68 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2018 18:49:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 18:49:44 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539913784; bh=aIycYb62cMf98UewJuyc8QJzdViRXFsYan7yH+jfLsI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=PUMUKE2FxnaNjHtIJGnHrkMoNfQKTOvNkVRNNwPJAm0qcFYsk+p7clx6wt502ibEi zDmImzT2i2J8aTDxh5HPqKjsdVcalNc+SIt1o8WSzj4PfL3uI2a9Ok+Y4/HehmWVrx nr2kZ8e09jaB8o6Q97olqS2A8SY4OdW8cWVsZ94Q= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] DATA frame encoding is inefficient for long dynamically generated bodies (#1885) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bc93838653bb_26d93fc48a2d45b8686889"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 01:49:47 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bc93838653bb_26d93fc48a2d45b8686889 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I disagree. It's a new capability. I'm not saying that asking for a new capability is out of bounds, just warning you that the door is about to close. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1885#issuecomment-431219045 ----==_mimepart_5bc93838653bb_26d93fc48a2d45b8686889 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I disagree. It's a new capability. I'm not saying that asking for a new capability is out of bounds, just warning you that the door is about to close.

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Instead if would be more efficient if we could set a length of "until = end of stream" (encoded as 0 or some such) which would allow the sender t= o write a single DATA frame header and the simply send the entire body wi= thout additional framing.

Doesn't having a "end of stream" signal as part of the frame payload m= ean that we would need to escape the contents of HTTP if it contains the = octets that can be interpreted as the "end of stream" signal?

Assuming that my understanding is correct, this sounds like MIME multi= part. I prefer current chunked encoding style above that, because you do = not need to scan through the content that you'd be forwarding.

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Having just re-read the section on this, I don't agree that there is a p= roblem. The text is very clear on this in Section 4.1, which specifically = addresses the interaction of stream cancellation and flow control:

RST_STREAM terminates one direction of a stream abruptly. Whether any ac= tion or response can or should be taken on the data already received is an = application-specific issue, but it will often be the case that upon receipt= of a RST_STREAM an endpoint will choose to stop sending data in its own di= rection. If the sender of a RST_STREAM wishes to explicitly state that no f= uture data will be processed, that endpoint MAY send a STOP_SENDING frame a= t the same time.
-- https://quicwg.org/base-= drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#handling-of-stream-cancellation

To answer the question:

In a bidirectional stream, if I receive a RST_STREAM, how am I to know h= ow much of the data I have sent is counting towards connection flow control= ?

You have to assume ALL of it.

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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bc94ea61df1a_31a52ae4b73065948829d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 03:25:29 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bc94ea61df1a_31a52ae4b73065948829d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/fix-cid-nego Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 97954fc334bd89fbd602fb6595f8725e4385f3be https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/97954fc334bd89fbd602fb6595f8725e4385f3be Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-19 (Fri, 19 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Consolidate connection ID negotiation section with prior text **NOTE:** This service has been marked for deprecation: https://developer.github.com/changes/2018-04-25-github-services-deprecation/ Functionality will be removed from GitHub.com on January 31st, 2019. ----==_mimepart_5bc94ea61df1a_31a52ae4b73065948829d-- From nobody Thu Oct 18 20:30:16 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B39F6129AB8 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2018 20:30:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.498 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.498 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bbqZoydNeRGl for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2018 20:30:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m71-131.mailgun.net (m71-131.mailgun.net [166.78.71.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 35785126DBF for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2018 20:30:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1539919811; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=GEQJ5QEjKNkmsqhLFbaKaTjL9VoQlT7Uc56+PdRRZ1U=; b=pPGiZQNF/WVMfkYfT3MeKNBRSy75XNQwfKNJkyyQP5uHnnobA77/aPPqKNkoktDQBgX4fPz2 4DSOdl/Ku0MVJ6CKtbJrzVZTlcoZHO1+3Knrteyj0LYgPo25aOkanusWGz7oo13vi/fR1NZr HbavjqFvbpI47twl4960tK0UvC4= X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.71.131 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.45]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 5bc94fc3.7f91f8278a80-smtp-out-n01; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 03:30:11 -0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 20:30:11 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5bc94fc36a3ce_21eb2b0206cf857c14337@hookshot-fe-5a11256.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 6bbfbd: Consolidate connection ID negotiation section with... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bc94fc369e7d_21eb2b0206cf857c142e5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 03:30:14 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bc94fc369e7d_21eb2b0206cf857c142e5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/fix-cid-nego Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 6bbfbdfff1303446ab251e038bcb8720ec99e408 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6bbfbdfff1303446ab251e038bcb8720ec99e408 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-19 (Fri, 19 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Consolidate connection ID negotiation section with prior text The text here was mostly good, and I believe that this is a good place for that text. However, some of the text was expository in nature, and I moved that up to the connection ID definition section. 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However, some of the text was expository in nature, and I moved that up to the connection ID definition section. There is some new stuff in there, mostly just to point forward to the negotiation section. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1888 -- Commit Summary -- * Consolidate connection ID negotiation section with prior text -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (44) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1888.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1888.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1888 ----==_mimepart_5bc94fd4c33f0_ef63fadfc4d45c455395 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The text here was mostly good, and I believe that this is a good place
for that text. However, some of the text was expository in nature, and
I moved that up to the connection ID definition section. There is some
new stuff in there, mostly just to point forward to the negotiation
section.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1888

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----==_mimepart_5bc94fd4c33f0_ef63fadfc4d45c455395-- From nobody Thu Oct 18 21:30:13 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58EF5129385 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2018 21:30:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.498 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.498 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6XYgwqVH3Arw for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2018 21:30:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m69-170.mailgun.net (m69-170.mailgun.net [166.78.69.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F54B1200D7 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2018 21:30:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1539923409; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=JtM7xVFOGg07wf3HLcz/ntgfWqFVAIHX/BEPHPy9AtA=; b=x+3rQEW8xEelEIlUvolENz0Id2XwRuS44Tgeck4GGrJj+o4im5oJSmhlLTUpTHY0j3FtYlky 57/BkJ9HbDH4w5zh5R55zNeR9t9rQ961sFzNNtBkzzEmFSMpz/eX4ISkse8XRaHGS50CyIj+ TZIuRuaMNZtL82kFNCEeryAvqig= X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.69.170 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.34]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 5bc95dd1.7f3eb90eccc0-smtp-out-n01; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 04:30:09 -0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 21:30:08 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5bc95dd0369ab_a622b1dd0f00578907b@hookshot-fe-88eb02d.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 005ac3: Crisp definition of BLOCKING and friends Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bc95dd036408_a622b1dd0f005788944"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 04:30:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bc95dd036408_a622b1dd0f005788944 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/define-blocking-values Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 005ac34fbfb23d47bab46ae8c897a0429284f778 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/005ac34fbfb23d47bab46ae8c897a0429284f778 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-19 (Fri, 19 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Crisp definition of BLOCKING and friends Recent discussion around the use of BLOCKING frames highlighted some inconsistency - and even disagreement - about what the purpose of the frames are. If you read through all the text for the flow control-related frames, it is clear that the frame carries the *limit* at the time the frame is sent. > These frames always include the limit that is causing blocking at the > time that they are transmitted. This enacts that change more consistently, especially for STREAM_ID_BLOCKED, which was the most unclear. The discussion on #1851 suggested that there was value in knowing what the sender (or stream opener) wanted to get to. That is, the frames would carry a higher value. If the limit was X and the sender wanted to send octet X+Y (or open stream X+Y), they would convey that information instead. The theory here is that the larger value (X+Y) would be sent, allowing the receiver to make those resources available. The problem with this alternative approach is that the value advertised changes over time and it is difficult to connect the signal (a BLOCKED frame), with the limit that was in force at the time. I suspect that there is value in signaling the desired limits as well, but that would require greater justification. It also entails a change and I'm leery of feature creep at this stage. 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If you read through all the text for the flow control-related frames, it is clear that the frame carries the *limit* at the time the frame is sent. > These frames always include the limit that is causing blocking at the > time that they are transmitted. This enacts that change more consistently, especially for STREAM_ID_BLOCKED, which was the most unclear. The discussion on #1851 suggested that there was value in knowing what the sender (or stream opener) wanted to get to. That is, the frames would carry a higher value. If the limit was X and the sender wanted to send octet X+Y (or open stream X+Y), they would convey that information instead. The theory here is that the larger value (X+Y) would be sent, allowing the receiver to make those resources available. The problem with this alternative approach is that the value advertised changes over time and it is difficult to connect the signal (a BLOCKED frame), with the limit that was in force at the time. I suspect that there is value in signaling the desired limits as well, but that would require greater justification. It also entails a change and I'm leery of feature creep at this stage. Closes #1851, #1850. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1889 -- Commit Summary -- * Crisp definition of BLOCKING and friends -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (13) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1889.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1889.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1889 ----==_mimepart_5bc95df4c08db_55ee3fe92d0d45c0106731 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Recent discussion around the use of BLOCKING frames highlighted some
inconsistency - and even disagreement - about what the purpose of the
frames are. If you read through all the text for the flow
control-related frames, it is clear that the frame carries the limit
at the time the frame is sent.

These frames always include the limit that is causing blocking at the
time that they are transmitted.

This enacts that change more consistently, especially for
STREAM_ID_BLOCKED, which was the most unclear.

The discussion on #1851 suggested that there was value in knowing what
the sender (or stream opener) wanted to get to. That is, the frames
would carry a higher value. If the limit was X and the sender wanted to
send octet X+Y (or open stream X+Y), they would convey that information
instead. The theory here is that the larger value (X+Y) would be sent,
allowing the receiver to make those resources available.

The problem with this alternative approach is that the value advertised
changes over time and it is difficult to connect the signal (a BLOCKED
frame), with the limit that was in force at the time.

I suspect that there is value in signaling the desired limits as well,
but that would require greater justification. It also entails a change
and I'm leery of feature creep at this stage.

Closes #1851, #1850.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1889

Commit Summary

  • Crisp definition of BLOCKING and friends

File Changes

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@kazuho the end of stream signal is the QUIC transport-level FIN. Thankfully, it does not need to be encoded at the HTTP layer. I think it's more like HTTP/1.1 "Connection: close" than MIME multipart.

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Having just re-read the section on this, I don't agree that there is = a problem. The text is very clear on this in Section 4.1, which specifica= lly addresses the interaction of stream cancellation and flow control:
RST_STREAM terminates one direction of a stream abruptly. Whether any act= ion or response can or should be taken on the data already received is an= application-specific issue, but it will often be the case that upon rece= ipt of a RST_STREAM an endpoint will choose to stop sending data in its o= wn direction. If the sender of a RST_STREAM wishes to explicitly state th= at no future data will be processed, that endpoint MAY send a STOP_SENDIN= G frame at the same time.
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In a bidirectional stream, if I receive a RST_STREAM, how am I to know ho= w much of the data I have sent is counting towards connection flow contro= l?

You have to assume ALL of it.

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@kazuho commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4340,8 +4340,9 @@ The STREAM_ID_BLOCKED frame contains a single field.
 
 Stream ID:
 
-: A variable-length integer indicating the highest stream ID that the sender
-  was permitted to open.
+: A variable-length integer indicating the stream ID limit at the time the
+  sender was unable to open new streams.

Same issue here.

I am afraid that the text might still imply the same thing; i.e. the maximum stream ID that the sender was permitted to open at the time the sender was unable to open the streams.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4281,8 +4281,8 @@ The BLOCKED frame contains a single field.
 
 Offset:
 
-: A variable-length integer indicating the connection-level offset at which
-  the blocking occurred.
+: A variable-length integer indicating the connection flow control limit at the
+  time the frame is sent.

I actually prefer the old text, assuming that we do not have a clarification on what "limit" means here. In other parts of the transport protocol we represent the limit using an "inclusive maximum." But here, we need a limit expressed as "exclusive maxmimum."

IMO the original text is clearer in stating that the offset is "maximum offset permitted by MAX_DATA + 1", by saying that the transmitted value is "the offset at which the blocking occurred."

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@RyanAtGoogle I see. Thank you for the clarification.

So the premise for using the proposed method is that trailers are not going to be sent.

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I think that the second piece to #1786, which was to make allowances for fatal errors arising from Initial packets won't be necessary. I'm happy to see a PR, of course, but the sentiment I've heard expressed is that it is very hard to manage this, and the spec wouldn't expressly prevent someone from trying to build a system that was resilient to maliciously-crafted Initial packets, but we wouldn't take steps in this document to deal with that. As previously agreed, if you are attacked and the attacker was able to modify Initial packets, then they can deny you the ability to connect. 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I think that the second piece to #1786 , which was to make allowances for fatal errors arising from Initial packets won't be necessary. I'm happy to see a PR, of course, but the sentiment I've heard expressed is that it is very hard to manage this, and the spec wouldn't expressly prevent someone from trying to build a system that was resilient to maliciously-crafted Initial packets, but we wouldn't take steps in this document to deal with that. As previously agreed, if you are attacked and the attacker was able to modify Initial packets, then they can deny you the ability to connect. Closes #1818, #1786. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1890 -- Commit Summary -- * I decided to reword this after reading it. 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I decided to reword #1818 after reading it.

I think that the second piece to #1786 , which was to make allowances for
fatal errors arising from Initial packets won't be necessary. I'm happy
to see a PR, of course, but the sentiment I've heard expressed is that
it is very hard to manage this, and the spec wouldn't expressly prevent
someone from trying to build a system that was resilient to
maliciously-crafted Initial packets, but we wouldn't take steps in this
document to deal with that. As previously agreed, if you are attacked
and the attacker was able to modify Initial packets, then they can deny
you the ability to connect.

Closes #1818, #1786.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1890

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  • I decided to reword this after reading it. It missed a few key things.

File Changes

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----==_mimepart_5bc9670e89b3_4c6d3fa9c70d45c0152358-- From nobody Thu Oct 18 22:20:09 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26238130E3D for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2018 22:20:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.064, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gkVW-3Ew6L2A for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2018 22:20:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-11.smtp.github.com (out-11.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F20F4130DFC for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2018 22:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 22:20:04 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539926404; bh=1XYUUg0uTMMtjlAqeMVvCwJqTDZhR/g41IdENhzX+6Q=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=HI4rxjw9SVP3GUly3KJzT+Ux/jIvTdWggQTRSX293QBp0Lu4xS2apFfv3KxVKohtq fXVi64dUCWArto4zmAB/4HIbgWOnkFYTvZCz6S5Nag5Oe3jOKrL742XYE/NCsuLxSz 4YmhInl2xBh263QElz21BUMMlIwAsEEODsoKabxc= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Let Endpoints Ignore invalid Initial Packets (#1819) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bc9698444c90_585e3fe2fd6d45b41572fd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 05:20:07 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bc9698444c90_585e3fe2fd6d45b41572fd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As I said in #1890, I don't think that we want to do this. Not only because it requires a lot of words that are very hard to get right. Yes, an implementation can attempt to manage state in a way that is resilient to interference in the handshake. Every packet that can be successfully processed relative to any pre-existing checkpoint in the state of the connection adds another dependent checkpoint to that tree. For instance, should I have received N packets, I would have potentially 2^N copies of the nascent connection state as a result, though likely fewer as each packet is likely only valid when interpreted from a certain subset of those states. When a packet causes the connection to be successfully established, other states can then be discarded. I've heard that there are partial approaches that are less onerous than the fully exhaustive option and this advocates for something in that space. I don't think that we need to specify any of that. On the positive side, I don't think that anything we write into the draft would prohibit someone from implementing these techniques. They might be complex, but it would be very nice if we could do away with packet injection attacks being used to interfere with connection establishment. In the end, this runs directly counter to what we already agreed was the guidelines: we would not put in measures that prevented an attacker from interfering with connection establishment if they were able to observe and inject packets. QUICv2 seems like the right place for this, if anything. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1819#issuecomment-431247799 ----==_mimepart_5bc9698444c90_585e3fe2fd6d45b41572fd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

As I said in #1890, I don't think that we want to do thi= s. Not only because it requires a lot of words that are very hard to get= right.

Yes, an implementation can attempt to manage state in a way that is re= silient to interference in the handshake. Every packet that can be succe= ssfully processed relative to any pre-existing checkpoint in the state of= the connection adds another dependent checkpoint to that tree. For inst= ance, should I have received N packets, I would have potentially 2^N copi= es of the nascent connection state as a result, though likely fewer as ea= ch packet is likely only valid when interpreted from a certain subset of = those states. When a packet causes the connection to be successfully est= ablished, other states can then be discarded.

I've heard that there are partial approaches that are less onerous tha= n the fully exhaustive option and this advocates for something in that sp= ace.

I don't think that we need to specify any of that. On the positive si= de, I don't think that anything we write into the draft would prohibit so= meone from implementing these techniques. They might be complex, but it = would be very nice if we could do away with packet injection attacks bein= g used to interfere with connection establishment.

In the end, this runs directly counter to what we already agreed was t= he guidelines: we would not put in measures that prevented an attacker fr= om interfering with connection establishment if they were able to observe= and inject packets. QUICv2 seems like the right place for this, if anyt= hing.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4340,8 +4340,9 @@ The STREAM_ID_BLOCKED frame contains a single field.
 
 Stream ID:
 
-: A variable-length integer indicating the highest stream ID that the sender
-  was permitted to open.
+: A variable-length integer indicating the stream ID limit at the time the
+  sender was unable to open new streams.

You are right, this fails to address the original issue. I will amend the definition of MAX_STREAM_ID to address that concern then - and use your "exclusive maximum" approach.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4340,8 +4340,9 @@ The STREAM_ID_BLOCKED frame contains a single field.
 
 Stream ID:
 
-: A variable-length integer indicating the highest stream ID that the sender
-  was permitted to open.
+: A variable-length integer indicating the stream ID limit at the time the
+  sender was unable to open new streams.

Hmm, that's a tricky one, changing the definition of MAX_STREAM isn't that easy.

With stream IDs, if I receive MAX_STREAM_ID of N, then the test for whether something is allowed is id <= N. With stream octets, the test is offset < MAX_STREAM_DATA. That makes this harder.

So with the latter, saying that you can't send offset is clean and simple (wording notwithstanding). With streams though, you would be saying "I can only send N (but want to send N+4)", which is awkward, I agree.

Is changing the definition of MAX_STREAM_ID worth it?

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When an acknowledgement is received, a new RTT is computed and the timer SHOULD be set for twice the newly computed smoothed RTT. -When crypto packets are sent, the sender SHOULD set a timer for the crypto +When crypto packets are sent, the sender MUST set a timer for the crypto timeout period. Upon timeout, the sender MUST retransmit all unacknowledged ```suggestion retransmission interval. Upon timeout, the sender MUST retransmit all unacknowledged ``` > timeout period. Upon timeout, the sender MUST retransmit all unacknowledged -CRYPTO data by calling RetransmitAllUnackedCryptoData(). On each consecutive -expiration of the crypto timer without receiving an acknowledgement for a new -packet, the sender SHOULD double the crypto handshake timeout and set a timer -for this period. +CRYPTO data if possible. + +Until the server has validated the client's address on the path, the number of +bytes it can send is limited, as specified in {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. +If not all unacknowledged CRYPTO data can be sent, then all unacknowledged +CRYPTO data sent in Initial packets should be retransmitted. If no bytes +may be sent, then no alarm should be armed until bytes have been received from ```suggestion can be sent, then no alarm should be armed until bytes have been received from ``` > timeout period. Upon timeout, the sender MUST retransmit all unacknowledged -CRYPTO data by calling RetransmitAllUnackedCryptoData(). On each consecutive -expiration of the crypto timer without receiving an acknowledgement for a new -packet, the sender SHOULD double the crypto handshake timeout and set a timer -for this period. +CRYPTO data if possible. + +Until the server has validated the client's address on the path, the number of +bytes it can send is limited, as specified in {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. +If not all unacknowledged CRYPTO data can be sent, then all unacknowledged +CRYPTO data sent in Initial packets should be retransmitted. If no bytes +may be sent, then no alarm should be armed until bytes have been received from +the client. + +Because the server may be blocked until more packets are received, the ```suggestion Because the server could be blocked until more packets are received, the ``` > timeout period. Upon timeout, the sender MUST retransmit all unacknowledged -CRYPTO data by calling RetransmitAllUnackedCryptoData(). On each consecutive -expiration of the crypto timer without receiving an acknowledgement for a new -packet, the sender SHOULD double the crypto handshake timeout and set a timer -for this period. +CRYPTO data if possible. + +Until the server has validated the client's address on the path, the number of +bytes it can send is limited, as specified in {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. +If not all unacknowledged CRYPTO data can be sent, then all unacknowledged I think that you mean to say instead > If all CRYPTO data is acknowledged, and there is nothing for the client to send, then it sends another Initial packet. What that packet contains clearly doesn't matter (though an ACK would be perfectly OK, as would repeating information that the server already has), so I don't think we need to stipulate that explicitly. Otherwise, this is a little ambiguous - and maybe in conflict with what we did in #1843 and the next paragraph. > -closed once a reject is sent, so no timer is set to retransmit the reject. - -Version negotiation packets are always stateless, and MUST be sent once per -handshake packet that uses an unsupported QUIC version, and MAY be sent in -response to 0-RTT packets. - -#### Tail Loss Probe and Retransmission Timer - -Tail loss probes {{?TLP}} and retransmission timeouts {{?RFC6298}} -are timer based mechanisms to recover from cases when there are -outstanding retransmittable packets, but an acknowledgement has -not been received in a timely manner. - -The TLP and RTO timers are armed when there are no unacknowledged crypto -packets. The TLP timer is set until the max number of TLP packets have been -sent, and then the RTO timer is set. OK. It seemed entirely unrelated, but I see we have text on both elsewhere. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -318,12 +318,27 @@ is available, or if th=
e network changes, the initial RTT SHOULD be set to 100ms.
 When an acknowledgement is received, a new RTT is computed and the timer
 SHOULD be set for twice the newly computed smoothed RTT.
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-When crypto packets are sent, the sender SHOULD set a timer for the crypto
+When crypto packets are sent, the sender MUST set a timer for the crypto
 timeout period.  Upon timeout, the sender MUST retransmit all unacknowledg=
ed
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
- timeout period.  Upon timeout, the sender MUST=
 retransmit all unacknowledged
+retransmission interval.  Upon timeout, the sender MUST retransmit all una=
cknowledged

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  timeout period.  Upon timeout, the sender M=
UST retransmit all unacknowledged
-CRYPTO data by calling RetransmitAllUnackedCryptoData(). On each consecuti=
ve
-expiration of the crypto timer without receiving an acknowledgement for a =
new
-packet, the sender SHOULD double the crypto handshake timeout and set a ti=
mer
-for this period.
+CRYPTO data if possible.
+
+Until the server has validated the client's address on the path, the n=
umber of
+bytes it can send is limited, as specified in {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
+If not all unacknowledged CRYPTO data can be sent, then all unacknowledged
+CRYPTO data sent in Initial packets should be retransmitted.  If no bytes
+may be sent, then no alarm should be armed until bytes have been received =
from
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-may be sent, then no alarm should be armed unti=
l bytes have been received from
+can be sent, then no alarm should be armed until bytes have been received =
from

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  timeout period.  Upon timeout, the sender M=
UST retransmit all unacknowledged
-CRYPTO data by calling RetransmitAllUnackedCryptoData(). On each consecuti=
ve
-expiration of the crypto timer without receiving an acknowledgement for a =
new
-packet, the sender SHOULD double the crypto handshake timeout and set a ti=
mer
-for this period.
+CRYPTO data if possible.
+
+Until the server has validated the client's address on the path, the n=
umber of
+bytes it can send is limited, as specified in {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
+If not all unacknowledged CRYPTO data can be sent, then all unacknowledged
+CRYPTO data sent in Initial packets should be retransmitted.  If no bytes
+may be sent, then no alarm should be armed until bytes have been received =
from
+the client.
+
+Because the server may be blocked until more packets are received, the
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-Because the server may be blocked until more pa=
ckets are received, the
+Because the server could be blocked until more packets are received, the

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  timeout period.  Upon timeout, the sender M=
UST retransmit all unacknowledged
-CRYPTO data by calling RetransmitAllUnackedCryptoData(). On each consecuti=
ve
-expiration of the crypto timer without receiving an acknowledgement for a =
new
-packet, the sender SHOULD double the crypto handshake timeout and set a ti=
mer
-for this period.
+CRYPTO data if possible.
+
+Until the server has validated the client's address on the path, the n=
umber of
+bytes it can send is limited, as specified in {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
+If not all unacknowledged CRYPTO data can be sent, then all unacknowledged

I think that you mean to say instead

If all CRYPTO data is acknowledged, and there is nothing for the client = to send, then it sends another Initial packet.

What that packet contains clearly doesn't matter (though an ACK would be= perfectly OK, as would repeating information that the server already has),= so I don't think we need to stipulate that explicitly. Otherwise, this is= a little ambiguous - and maybe in conflict with what we did in #1843 a= nd the next paragraph.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -closed once a reject is sent, so no timer i=
s set to retransmit the reject.
-
-Version negotiation packets are always stateless, and MUST be sent once per
-handshake packet that uses an unsupported QUIC version, and MAY be sent in
-response to 0-RTT packets.
-
-#### Tail Loss Probe and Retransmission Timer
-
-Tail loss probes {{?TLP}} and retransmission timeouts {{?RFC6298}}
-are timer based mechanisms to recover from cases when there are
-outstanding retransmittable packets, but an acknowledgement has
-not been received in a timely manner.
-
-The TLP and RTO timers are armed when there are no unacknowledged crypto
-packets.  The TLP timer is set until the max number of TLP packets have be=
en
-sent, and then the RTO timer is set.

OK. It seemed entirely unrelated, but I see we have text on both elsewh= ere.

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As discussed in #1758, we only need to allow rate limiting.

However, the particular example I draw on will become critical if we
adopt the proposed changes to version negotiation in #1755 (or something
like it), because the only packet a server can confidently respond to
with Version Negotiation in that case is the Initial. If we adopt an
iteration of #1755, then this text would need to be expanded to explain
that also.

Closes #1758.

(I marked this editorial so that we can include it in -16. I do that on the basis that a server can always feign packet loss, so this isn't really a testable requirement. That's only slightly dishonest, I think.)

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1891

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This greedy DATA frame would prevent onward use of frame types on a stream. Not only the core frames like HEADERS and PUSH_PROMISE but also extension frames such as ALTSVC. I think server push is actually ok here because a server would probably want to send promises before the response body (to a avoid a race condition). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1885#issuecomment-431265527 ----==_mimepart_5bc981d45f8c_429e3f8f6f2d45b81142487 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

To generalise Ian's observation. This greedy DATA frame would prevent = onward use of frame types on a stream. Not only the core frames like HEAD= ERS and PUSH_PROMISE but also extension frames such as ALTSVC.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4340,8 +4340,9 @@ The STREAM_ID_BLOCKED frame contains a single field.
 
 Stream ID:
 
-: A variable-length integer indicating the highest stream ID that the sender
-  was permitted to open.
+: A variable-length integer indicating the stream ID limit at the time the
+  sender was unable to open new streams.

That sounds like an excellent observation.

I think I'd agree to changing the definition of MAX_STREAM_ID to send the number of streams rather than the stream ID. We might also want to rename the frame to MAX_STREAM_COUNT.

There are certain aspects that are not elegant in the way MAX_STREAM_ID is defined now:

  • we have two maximums; one for unidirectional streams
  • we exchange counts using TP but we transmit maximum in the frame

These issues will be resolved by sending the counts.

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With these MUST retransmit, has it been considered what a Slowloris attack could do to the handshake? I know that there is a general mention in some section.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -926,6 +926,23 @@ them with other connection IDs for the same connection.  As a trivial example,
 this means the same connection ID MUST NOT be issued more than once on the same
 connection.
 
+Packets with long headers include at least two connection IDs, which are used to
+establish the connection IDs that are used for the connection when established,
+see {{negotiating-connection-ids}} for details.

Please consider rewording. The layers of establishment are confusing. Also, are the contained ID's used to establish themselves, or something else? If there are at least two, how many might that be in total, and why?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -926,6 +926,23 @@ them with other connection IDs for the same connection.  As a trivial example,
 this means the same connection ID MUST NOT be issued more than once on the same
 connection.
 
+Packets with long headers include at least two connection IDs, which are used to
+establish the connection IDs that are used for the connection when established,
+see {{negotiating-connection-ids}} for details.
+
+Packets with short headers ({{short-header}}) only include the Destination
+Connection ID and omit the explicit length.  The length of the Destination
+Connection ID field is expected to be known to endpoints.  Endpoints using a
+connection-ID based load balancer could agree with the load balancer on a fixed

connection-ID -> Connection ID

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The line I've been trying to hold is that there shouldn't be a situati= on in which the application goes to the transport and says "Give me strea= m 7." It says "Give me a stream," then examines the result and discovers = it got 7. Using them as identifiers once they exist is fine, but they're = identifiers issued by and under the control of the transport.

There is one corner case(it is really a corner case): Early-data is us= ed on a connection and the application opens a couple of streams(let's sa= y n). Its cancel one of the streams(let's say stream k) before getting ea= rly-data-not-accepted. so we do not need to resend the canceled stream af= ter connection is established. If we do not resend the stream we need to = change streamID for streams with streamID k+1..n. The streamID of a strea= m can change in lift time of a stream.

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I'm sympathetic to the issue but not sure it needs fixing in v1. What is= worse case overhead?

When one transfers large files, the overhead incurred by the DATA frames= will be on the order of 3 bytes for every [ ~1 MSS, 2^14 - 1 ] bytes of content, or between about 0.2% and 0.02%.

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The only two cases I can think of where that wouldn't be true are server= push, which is rarely used, and trailers, which are rarely supported and e= ven more rarely used.

The server push will continue to be rarely used if the API makes its use= inconvenient. For example, one can imagine that a server may want to push= after sending a few KB of data (a finite DATA frame) -- to parse the HTML = for CSS links or what-not. An implementation that only allows pushes befor= e the first (and only) DATA frame will make using server push in such manne= r more difficult. Because it is easier to support only a single DATA frame= of indeterminate size, it is likely that many implementations will do just= that.

The complexity associated with framing data into DATA frames is real (if= you want to do it efficiently), but not insurmountable.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -926,6 +926,23 @@ them with other connection IDs for the same connection.  As a trivial example,
 this means the same connection ID MUST NOT be issued more than once on the same
 connection.
 
+Packets with long headers include at least two connection IDs, which are used to
+establish the connection IDs that are used for the connection when established,
+see {{negotiating-connection-ids}} for details.
+
+Packets with short headers ({{short-header}}) only include the Destination
+Connection ID and omit the explicit length.  The length of the Destination
+Connection ID field is expected to be known to endpoints.  Endpoints using a
+connection-ID based load balancer could agree with the load balancer on a fixed

I think what was meant here is "Connection ID-based load balancer" (dash between ID and based). This would look odd because Connection ID is two words. This can be reworded as "using a load balancer based on Connection IDs."

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4340,8 +4340,9 @@ The STREAM_ID_BLOCKED frame contains a single field.
 
 Stream ID:
 
-: A variable-length integer indicating the highest stream ID that the sender
-  was permitted to open.
+: A variable-length integer indicating the stream ID limit at the time the
+  sender was unable to open new streams.

If we changed it to MAX_STREAM_COUNT, we'd have to use one additional bit from the type to indicate unidirectional/bidirectional, right? To me, my favorite thing (if we made that change) would be that I no longer have to validate if the peer is trying to set my limit on them (i.e. ownership bit).

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With Draft 15 all client transport parameters are now optional. I assume we will try to continue with that design as we add new ones (perhaps none in V1). Does it make sense to make inclusion of the QUIC TP extension as a whole optional, for the client?

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Early data resets everything about the connection, including the appli= cation state. The connection starts over again from stream zero and has = no obligation to contain the same data on the same streams, or even the s= ame requests.

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= ----==_mimepart_5bca093655296_4c143fa8500d45c07429f-- From nobody Fri Oct 19 09:46:43 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BFA1130DDC for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 09:46:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.064, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SRqpXCTr-les for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 09:46:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 18FC712F295 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 09:46:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 09:46:37 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539967598; bh=RwmPDzMyO/IB9XgBzCXMK4wcJRVA43XNvMQRp7VwY60=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=IhQvitGlDCXLen/XPPfnWPwPpWEGFOYj8UzQpJ2hzKFBp2+4BA0RfUy8psLqAoOCm cmJ9/etdLLbRyZcHRDRejFKm3jSchLp0jNsxz44VFU9w04HGTm+WvTm1Vn1nC5Juck 9OKSkPrKhh8U8tLrCk8HdG35vKmt+TISdN0oGOUU= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow rate limiting of Version Negotiation (#1891) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bca0a6df0954_3ff43fdf16cd45bc1405cd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 16:46:42 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bca0a6df0954_3ff43fdf16cd45bc1405cd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think it's incorrect to mention specific packet types here, since a VN packet implies that the server doesn't speak this version (and therefore doesn't know what packet types exist). Implying otherwise encourages bugs in which servers wait until they see the packet type which matches v1:Initial, which might not be used in vX. #1758 caveats this risky text with "If the server has knowledge of the version," with at least acknowledges the problem. I think a simple permission to rate-limit the number of VN packets sent in response to the same SCID:DCID tuple, or the same 5-tuple, should be sufficient and also less tempting to wrong assumptions. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1891#issuecomment-431426110 ----==_mimepart_5bca0a6df0954_3ff43fdf16cd45bc1405cd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think it's incorrect to mention specific packet types here, since a = VN packet implies that the server doesn't speak this version (and therefo= re doesn't know what packet types exist). Implying otherwise encourages = bugs in which servers wait until they see the packet type which matches v= 1:Initial, which might not be used in vX. #1758 caveats th= is risky text with "If the server has knowledge of the version," with at = least acknowledges the problem.

I think a simple permission to rate-limit the number of VN packets sen= t in response to the same SCID:DCID tuple, or the same 5-tuple, should be= sufficient and also less tempting to wrong assumptions.

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The method in #1755 assumes a precondition, which is that the server can speak the proposed version (i.e. doesn't need to send VN), but found a mutually- supported preferable version it would like to switch to. That's a different state than pure VN.

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Thanks for saving me the effort of calculating that Dmitri. Given that= this bit of HQ mirrors H2 the overhead is neutral in that perspective. I= 'm of the same opinion as Martin that this is a "new feature" that offers= up to 0.2% bandwidth saving. What is the bar for new features.

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Renaming this issue to reflect the real problem, though I guess I'm the only one that was confused. I'll file a small PR to scratch my itch

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For issue #1878. I was apparently the only one confused, but since this is different from HTTP/2 it may be good to make it crystal clear.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1893

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  • Explicitly suggest FIN or RST_STREAM

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I'm sympathetic to the desire to reduce framing overhead, and having pre= viously described the frames as "regions," I'm not philosophically opposed = to having a region run to the end of the stream. However, we've built / in= herited from H2 a model in which frames have a known length from the start = (though some might be so large that you have to process them in a streaming= fashion). I'm cautious about up-ending that model and saying that some fr= ames have indeterminate length, and you'll know the end when you get there.=

Depending on your implementation model, that might be fine. If you have= a processor that gets fed the bytes until the end of the frame, then it al= ready handles a stream and being told that the payload has ended after/as t= he last byte is written to it. This is a scoped change to the layer that r= eads the bytes from the stream and stuffs them into the processor. If you = have a processor that gets told the length and consumes that many bytes fro= m the stream, this might be more of an architectural change.

I'm curious to hear from implementers how much of a challenge they fores= ee this being in their architectures.

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Also, rather than making DATA "special," I'd probably just add text to the framing layer section that a length of zero means the frame extends to the end of the QUIC stream.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -803,12 +803,13 @@ frame, and the recei=
ver MUST use the final offset to account for all bytes sent
 on the stream in its connection level flow controller.
 =

 RST_STREAM terminates one direction of a stream abruptly.  Whether any a=
ction or
-response can or should be taken on the data already received is an
-application-specific issue, but it will often be the case that upon rece=
ipt of a
-RST_STREAM an endpoint will choose to stop sending data in its own direc=
tion. If
-the sender of a RST_STREAM wishes to explicitly state that no future dat=
a will
-be processed, that endpoint MAY send a STOP_SENDING frame at the same ti=
me.
-
+response can or should be taken on the data already received is an appli=
cation-
+specific issue. It will often be the case that upon receipt of a RST_STR=
EAM on a
+bidirectional stream, an endpoint will choose to stop sending data to th=
e peer
+on that stream. In this case, it SHOULD send a FIN or RST_STREAM for tha=
t
+stream to close the peer's receive stream state. If the sender of a =
RST_STREAM
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-stream to close the peer's receive stream sta=
te. If the sender of a RST_STREAM
+stream to close the peer's receive stream state. Alternatively an endpoi=
nt can choose to continue sending data in its own direction. If the sende=
r of a RST_STREAM

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----==_mimepart_5bca1ff82736d_76603ff154ed45c4829dd-- From nobody Fri Oct 19 11:32:17 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E854130E14 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 11:32:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.064, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I_wwTzsJiCPB for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 11:32:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 09333130DF7 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 11:32:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=326nGVOXPTlltCtg1gnFUOfLQI8=; b=Wntq9exgaEeWN1T1 DxgySqTE/M1ROTLt9TLcYeKIIqGTt0vd59XCcwpzoARbiPAQX3TRyDqSabfY5PCD gUEIT5QUpaXhIrz575LHxFixyTn6OoqaMgeW1sstpJJzKUu9hMQLh+P+EiQ/oriW z3h3g3v936+7spClwuoIFs7Wt1A= Received: by filter0773p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0773p1las1-10178-5BCA232D-25 2018-10-19 18:32:13.669297054 +0000 UTC m=+67784.912746061 Received: from github-lowworker-e8fa9ff.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.43]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id XzUvfOEDSLaLc5DJeFSwtg for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 18:32:13.514 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-e8fa9ff.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C2CB420306 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 11:32:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 18:32:13 +0000 (UTC) From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] DATA frame encoding is inefficient for long dynamically generated bodies (#1885) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bca232d7050c_6a53fd82a4d45bc1629f9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1vRJtJ1TLJ+zwI/J7K5X8zVS594ZYO1bIrSJ 0SXDhVHBrFh8gbaufJks05zqtdm6RSlsuYJFqLuEjDvVtookTFqwv4WaaZotaCm3ikLGl15rPtRvxi lK7AukDuhgo5FkqhKGH9BeNG8QAeMidrP6cV9Or/aH3uxK4oIyQMBA87YMVEzCPATXuvBLn2dPt3Ac A= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 18:32:16 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bca232d7050c_6a53fd82a4d45bc1629f9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Initially did not see much point in this, but if you are parsing text and generating output, it it is hard to decide on any reasonable chunk size as you discover the output as you go. You'd have to buffer data until you hae enough to create a frame. Being able to avoid that has value beyond saving 0.2%. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1885#issuecomment-431456856 ----==_mimepart_5bca232d7050c_6a53fd82a4d45bc1629f9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Initially did not see much point in this, but if you are parsing text an= d generating output, it it is hard to decide on any reasonable chunk size a= s you discover the output as you go. You'd have to buffer data until you ha= e enough to create a frame. Being able to avoid that has value beyond savin= g 0.2%.

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You'd have to buffer data until you have enough to create a frame. Being able to avoid that has value beyond saving 0.2%.

Yes, there is certainly complexity associated with writing out streaming data. Nevertheless, one should not have to buffer.

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@MikeBishop gQUIC currently only has this model, because = it doesn't use H2 DATA frames, and the implementation is very straightfor= ward and easy to optimize so my perspective is switched from yours. Give= n there's no code shared between H2 and HTTP over QUIC, I think it's a mi= stake to assume we have or should inherit the region model from H2.

To reiterate what @dtikhonov and @mikkelfj are sa= ying, for me this is more about making fast implementations that minimize= copies and allocations easier to implement, and less about minimizing fr= aming overhead. In my case, I believe I could never send a length and al= l existing use cases.

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gQUIC also has a different way of achieving HTTP header transfer, which = means it had HoL blocking :)

Things are just different in HQ, it's a chance do you wind some of the c= ompromises that QUIC made. As an implementor I'd like to have an environmen= t that creates new opportunity, just as much as performance.

The direction of conversation is positive, and I agree performance isn't= just shaving bandwidth. Mike's idea creates a general approach that I like= .

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= ----==_mimepart_5bca318f169d5_b833f9b9d4d45b8194cb-- From nobody Fri Oct 19 12:48:53 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C0AB130DE6 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 12:48:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.064, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oSHAWqcxlR4V for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 12:48:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 70114130DD1 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 12:48:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 12:48:49 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539978529; bh=+KH3ErVDbjZfJn9yjzPr7uNC5yypXA59UegTTCvCy+w=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=PlvtsmI2h0n7IgChObwQR03GU5/HBZmEHBrzcKs/nMQu2Ajkp2Iwh88P9FCgVpBXQ 0LfZwl5raebbwzGx3FoD/vHQt/FEDKqYxJenCPCgbHp+pDrGjAMlyBkUhgDSOBrWYI v8EJOwL2lTcAINs5RRxE5qgHlxBeZ/QKSrArADrg= From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] DATA frame encoding is inefficient for long dynamically generated bodies (#1885) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bca352190252_170f3f945ded45b41910b3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 19:48:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bca352190252_170f3f945ded45b41910b3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One concern I have about adding the greedy DATA frame is that it may very well mean that no implementation will actually generate sized DATA frames: > Because it is easier to support only a single DATA frame of indeterminate size, it is likely that many implementations will do just that. Which, in turn, will mean that a large chunk of everyone's HQ code that reads DATA frames with sizes will go unutilized. The atrophy and death of a sized DATA frame -- perhaps in the next version of QUIC -- is the next logical step. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1885#issuecomment-431478990 ----==_mimepart_5bca352190252_170f3f945ded45b41910b3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

One concern I have about adding the greedy DATA frame is that it may v= ery well mean that no implementation will actually generate sized DATA fr= ames:

Because it is easier to support only a single DATA frame of indetermin= ate size, it is likely that many implementations will do just that.

Which, in turn, will mean that a large chunk of everyone's HQ code tha= t reads DATA frames with sizes will go unutilized. The atrophy and deat= h of a sized DATA frame -- perhaps in the next version of QUIC -- is the = next logical step.

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@dtikhonov As a developer of a HQ proxy capable of forwarding trailers, I can say that H2O/quicly will generate sized DATA frames.

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@MikeBishop Oh! I love the idea of generalizing this to all frames, not just data. This would be quite convenient for body-less requests/responses.

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@MikeBishop

I'm curious to hear from implementers how much of a challenge they for= esee this being in their architectures.

In case of H2O/quicly, it is almost nothing to support DATA frames exp= anding to EOS.

However, it is harder to do the same for other types of frames. The co= de is based on the assumption that we can cap the maximum size of the fra= mes, and buffer them until they are fully received.

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@RyanAtGoogle I had a similar thought but initially worried that EOS would kill the bidirectional stream too early. However I think I was wrong, because stream is closed from either direction.

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----==_mimepart_5bca535c1c5_55623fc6908d45b41233f0-- From nobody Fri Oct 19 14:59:09 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E21A1130E50 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 14:59:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.064, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lPF5dkJnojb4 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 14:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E5DA5130DF4 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 14:59:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=G2giWAkm8E54/o1jLqP0bW2I1gs=; b=nFDJ+JanksoF7M1y j+arHA+vie85S5NPDsB3PkI7kfTrND/EpDZnTW3D/An8JRZzrKkZVE8xx0HkXxXW UvRrD3KqT5YzNVwBTjsUABpk3LGVucF31nuPOpre0NMSx5xw9mqOsygWHyxZL3Ku qWrSZQRfdvqa5F1+V2bQPQ9Qbj8= Received: by filter0654p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0654p1las1-20673-5BCA53A7-9 2018-10-19 21:59:03.340891971 +0000 UTC m=+81003.547927535 Received: from github-lowworker-1c220e1.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.44]) by ismtpd0046p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id cERlVeh6RVeSii0dGL6eaQ for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 21:59:03.084 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-1c220e1.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB010160028 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 14:59:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 21:59:03 +0000 (UTC) From: Ryan Hamilton Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] DATA frame encoding is inefficient for long dynamically generated bodies (#1885) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bca53a6a4a28_3b6a3ffb5e8d45c07044c6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: RyanAtGoogle X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3ZmnJLoyoxMki8/O5gx0zzEYZfmHq+NqbrnT W526CdWupZxlSvdX0zqYhyiHMwYpprWOiWLnGERC8fMQgEKGa3zDulsE3KrD3fN3Wf962nC8KcWNhq 5NC7zRJKRSXlxFD4CxYonNbkdqCfLFmlqCyaUKiPwDXvfYwtuOCsrukmA1p/U/3V1VvBOQrI0v7oIf 4= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 21:59:07 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bca53a6a4a28_3b6a3ffb5e8d45c07044c6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @kazuho how would this proposal prevent an implementation from capping the maximum size of a frame? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1885#issuecomment-431511885 ----==_mimepart_5bca53a6a4a28_3b6a3ffb5e8d45c07044c6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@kazuho how would this proposal prevent an implementation from capping the maximum size of a frame?

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@kazuho, for most of them, that's still true. About half of fr= ames have well-defined maximum sizes -- if you haven't hit EOS before tha= t point, the frame is improperly formatted. The frames whose payload is = bounded only by the frame length field are DATA, HEADERS, PUSH_PROMISE, a= nd (technically) SETTINGS.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4340,8 +4340,9 @@ The STREAM_ID_BLOCKED frame contains a single field.
 
 Stream ID:
 
-: A variable-length integer indicating the highest stream ID that the sender
-  was permitted to open.
+: A variable-length integer indicating the stream ID limit at the time the
+  sender was unable to open new streams.

Assuming that MAX_STREAM_COUNT is supposed to encode the number of streams since the beginning of the connection (and not the concurrently open streams, as we had in some earlier version of the draft), I think this would be a good change to make, since we'd use the same encoding for the transport parameters and the frame.
Not sure if MAX_STREAM_COUNT is the best name for this, maybe we can go with something analogous to the transport parameters (initial_max_{uni,bidi}_streams), and name it MAX_STREAMS frame?

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Consider also extension frames like ORIGIN or CACHE_DIGEST (yes they don't exist, yes) that might be sent in the HQ control stream, those can't be EOS'd.

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how would this proposal prevent an implementation from capping the max= imum size of a frame?

It doesn't. However, introducing the concept of non-DATA frames termin= ated by EOS has a impact on complexity. We handle HQ frames in the follow= ing way:

  • We keep the frame header in the receive buffer until all the header i= s delivered. Then,
  • if it is a DATA frame, we pop the frame header from the receive buffe= r, and continue reading the data out from the receive buffer until we rea= d the exact amount of data specified by the frame header
  • if it is not a DATA frame, we check that the size of the frame is bel= ow 16KB. If it is above that, we issue a connection close. If it is below= that, we keep the octets in the receive buffer until the entire frame ar= rives. Once the frame arrives, we process it in-place, then remove it fro= m the receive buffer.

Having non-DATA frames terminated by EOS means that we need add a diff= erent path for the last bullet. I'm sure I can implement that, but my pre= ference goes to avoiding it.

I can understand the motivation to use EOS as a terminator for DATA fr= ames. It makes sense because you might emit a large number of DATA frames= for each HTTP response, and because DATA is typically the last frame typ= e to be sent using a stream. Neither of the two points apply to other fra= me types, which means that the optimization is far less useful for them, = even though I understand the elegance of permitting that for all frame ty= pes.

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While that could be possible, I wonder what the benefit of making it o= ptional is. I would assume that every implementation will be sending some= non-default settings value (e.g., initial_max_data), which means that ma= king TP optional is essentially adding a conditional branch that will alw= ays turn on one side.

Additionally, we would be required to revisit the following requiremen= t in QUIC-TLS section 8.2: Endpoints MUST NOT send this extension in = a TLS connection that does not use QUIC (such as the use of TLS with TCP = defined in [TLS13]). A fatal unsupported_extension alert MUST be sent if = this extension is received when the transport is not QUIC.

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Is it worth commenting that the receiver of the RST_STREAM frame MUST eventually send a FIN or a RST_STREAM in order for the stream to close completely?

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Since section 1.1 is effectively a guided tour of the TOC, it feels odd that it skips sections without comment. For example,

Connections are the context in which QUIC endpoints communicate.

  • Section 5 describes core concepts related to connections,
  • Section 6 describes version negotiation,
  • Section 8 details the process for establishing connections,
  • Section 10 describes how endpoints migrate a connection to use a new network paths, and
  • Section 12 lists the options for terminating an open connection.

Where are sections 7, 9, and 11?

I think there's also some unintended irony that error handling is section 13. ;-)

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I would argue that this PR doesn't specify anything, but merely author= izes those advanced techniques should someone elect to implement them. As= indicated above, this is also about reducing the vulnerability when keep= ing Initial keys around for a conservatively long time.

But if this is the consensus, we can close the PR. Especially if I'm t= he only one interested in using this MAY in v1.

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I had a late review to PR #1824 because @ianswett had to get it into draft-15, and he encouraged me to file a PR. I believe he has no problem with at least one of these.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1895

Commit Summary

  • Minor edits to amplification attack text

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@RyanAtGoogle That applies to every stream, not just streams that a RST_STREAM was received for, doesn't it?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2302,6 +2302,12 @@ the application requests that the connection be closed.  The application
 protocol can use an APPLICATION_CLOSE message with an appropriate error code to
 signal closure.
 
+If the endpoint believes that a connection has been successfully established, it

I find this condition a little vague for a MUST. How about "has received a short header from the peer"?

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Agreed, always sending it is a lot easier than sometimes sending it. Additionally, I believe it'll always end up being necessary in real applications(ie: HTTP), so there's no real-world savings in omitting it.

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----==_mimepart_5bca625323ea3_6bc93fb7500d45c085589-- From nobody Fri Oct 19 16:10:22 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C64A130DD4 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 16:10:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.064, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3UpGQyr2M5lf for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 16:10:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C3A2130E6E for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 16:10:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 16:10:15 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1539990615; bh=zTl2A3pffi7vysatcxvilE8aZHbnoaUt+l/5NC01Dk8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=H14dYIhcKyqwI0gT1gdFtfSf3LY/nmybjLvElelxKGOWoIoSWgcqwR9RblrmeoNyd uTrP7IpEQWRZaS75JRb/lPEloTw5xKvE1jUy3yQnWBLgbNeqr9wKjFqu3bRHsYZ+LV VlsT/kI7ARznf9O7lCqnglYcMcqPm9EipC143Y+M= From: Ryan Hamilton Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Explicitly suggest FIN or RST_STREAM (#1893) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bca6457314cc_4ddb3fce9b8d45c4340b3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: RyanAtGoogle X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 23:10:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bca6457314cc_4ddb3fce9b8d45c4340b3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @marten-seemann Yes, definitely. But I understood that the point of this CL was to help clarify the QUIC RST_STREAM behavior which is different from HTTP/2. Since the proposed text says, SHOULD, I wondered if some reader might not realize that eventually they MUST. But I'm happy with this PR as is if nobody else is concerned :) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1893#issuecomment-431523903 ----==_mimepart_5bca6457314cc_4ddb3fce9b8d45c4340b3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@marten-seemann Yes, definitely. But I understood tha= t the point of this CL was to help clarify the QUIC RST_STREAM behavior w= hich is different from HTTP/2. Since the proposed text says, SHOULD, I wo= ndered if some reader might not realize that eventually they MUST. But I'= m happy with this PR as is if nobody else is concerned :)

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  verified through an address validation token (delivered via a Retry packet or
-a NEW_TOKEN frame) or by processing any message from the client encrypted using
-the Handshake keys.  This limit exists to mitigate amplification attacks.
+a NEW_TOKEN frame), by processing any message from the client encrypted using
+the Handshake keys, or by processing a TLS client hello with a valid

s/client hello/ClientHello

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I agree with @RyanAtGoogle that the proposed text (quo= ted below) is confusing.

It will often be the case that upon receipt of a RST_STREAM on a bidir= ectional stream, an endpoint will choose to stop sending data to the peer= on that stream. If so, it SHOULD send a FIN or RST_STREAM for that strea= m to close the peer's receive stream state.

My view is that the text can be interpreted as allowing an endpoint to= stop sending data on that stream without sending FIN or RST_STREAM.

I think that it would be beneficial to either avoid use of SHOULD (by = for example replacing it to "needs to"), or change it to MUST.

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= ----==_mimepart_5bca6e6aaa437_7a803fb22c4d45b85703d1-- From nobody Sat Oct 20 03:35:03 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 675761294D0 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 03:35:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.064, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fpnyKZHfYk1j for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 03:35:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C26FE128A6E for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 03:34:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 03:34:58 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1540031698; bh=WTWYd0RLWZ+tU2s/HY8VT5WgUu5JAB3OPO1I6XNWEi0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ftMPvo7VW3ZlOH5U8TepePcMEX/rpKECYqu+iTl+X/w1PGeMPQNFM/twG3gNBmBx4 nTqdJg3ingFV1eKcuOHjK3CqUgbOWEtq7Kv83MIRTxMdrTZ2e3Vc3zz0jn9Mq2fKbN k8BCDCz8RbdyNA3adSfLPn+7nUenOoUcl1zRz/bE= From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] DATA frame encoding is inefficient for long dynamically generated bodies (#1885) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bcb04d251d13_65723ff0b72d45b45198c6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 10:35:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bcb04d251d13_65723ff0b72d45b45198c6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In our QPACK implementation, [ls-qpack](https://github.com/litespeedtech/ls-qpack), the decoder consumes header block as a stream. Hence, having a header block of an unspecified size is no problem -- there is no buffering either way. For QPACK encoder, it is a profitable optimization to be able to write some header blocks directly to the stream. I share @RyanAtGoogle's emotions in this regard. @kazuho writes: > Having non-DATA frames terminated by EOS means that we need add a different path for the last bullet. I'm sure I can implement that, but my preference goes to avoiding it. Isn't this as simple as foregoing the initial size check and closing the connection if you do hit the internal limit? Certainly, if you're willing to buffer 16KB - 1 bytes to process a frame, you should be willing to buffer 16KB -1 bytes and then throw them out and close the connection. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1885#issuecomment-431568943 ----==_mimepart_5bcb04d251d13_65723ff0b72d45b45198c6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In our QPACK implementation, ls-qpack, the decoder consumes header block as a stream.= Hence, having a header block of an unspecified size is no problem -- th= ere is no buffering either way.

For QPACK encoder, it is a profitable optimization to be able to write= some header blocks directly to the stream. I share @RyanAtG= oogle's emotions in this regard.

@kazuho writes:

Having non-DATA frames terminated by EOS means that we need add a diff= erent path for the last bullet. I'm sure I can implement that, but my pre= ference goes to avoiding it.

Isn't this as simple as foregoing the initial size check and closing t= he connection if you do hit the internal limit? Certainly, if you're wil= ling to buffer 16KB - 1 bytes to process a frame, you should be willing t= o buffer 16KB -1 bytes and then throw them out and close the connection.<= /p>

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= ----==_mimepart_5bcb04d251d13_65723ff0b72d45b45198c6-- From nobody Sat Oct 20 03:48:39 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94C061294D0 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 03:48:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.064, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lHrR2czQlr2u for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 03:48:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 406B61292F1 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 03:48:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 03:48:36 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1540032516; bh=+F7C8FjyoRlMpSzO3tdh59dzHwE11FnQPEng2dxdAas=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=VgcODlbxRBCFML1FTawT3I0VxfmKPQG962VBB+xcloFhGRMyzSFLZAtnZHwces32M oBYTEefi5HtCwpwXetCGbSzjxMDvsACCDPbs0QSOI+bN5jhvGIPBa/hYCGz//Rx5cV dPnZLu3ngjsXrYIS3F9uHvaT82J/r8cZNL2MYwV8= From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] DATA frame encoding is inefficient for long dynamically generated bodies (#1885) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bcb08044b135_64f13f90226d45c410608d8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 10:48:39 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bcb08044b135_64f13f90226d45c410608d8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @kazuho writes: > As a developer of a HQ proxy capable of forwarding trailers, I can say that H2O/quicly will generate sized DATA frames. What about larger players such as Google? For example, because not many server implementations support server push and not many websites use it (and even fewer do it well), Google [floated the idea](https://github.com/httpwg/wg-materials/blob/gh-pages/ietf102/chrome_push.pdf) to "destroy" it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1885#issuecomment-431569753 ----==_mimepart_5bcb08044b135_64f13f90226d45c410608d8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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What about larger players such as Google? For example, because not ma= ny server implementations support server push and not many websites use i= t (and even fewer do it well), Google floated the idea to "destroy" it.

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= ----==_mimepart_5bcb08044b135_64f13f90226d45c410608d8-- From nobody Sat Oct 20 03:55:41 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 581651294D0 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 03:55:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.064, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RZR9iMsNvEti for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 03:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C05441292F1 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 03:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 03:55:37 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1540032937; bh=AosqxuWvUErsPyGW4T5BAampNbrhruJEM8A2U/jme6M=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=bb7Dy34G29r+z0e5DiI27oRlkWpsHzx4OEOH1SZRwOJu2y0M7dOVXHfbhdKzyWoiM c5709XX1yTVTHVpYz0fWsK79Pl+WvJws6wRnmR+mbX3U+6OG07X7XxaRVnZ0eQ0WAv 7qCsVIefWg3pYtEVSfCuGTTQ983GnP0fQvH6J9Fk= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] DATA frame encoding is inefficient for long dynamically generated bodies (#1885) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bcb09a9a5019_36e83ff84fcd45c4195789"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 10:55:40 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bcb09a9a5019_36e83ff84fcd45c4195789 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @dtikhonov > Isn't this as simple as foregoing the initial size check and closing the connection if you do hit the internal limit? You also need to handle EOS differently. In the bounded frame case, seeing EOS before consuming the entire frame is a protocol error. In the non-bounded case, seeing it is a non-error. To generalize, allowing the use of EOS as a terminator for non-DATA frames introduces new complexity to *some* decoders. OTOH, allowing that does not simplify on the encoder side, because you need the code to emit such frames in the middle of the stream. This is very different from DATA frames: * For many HQ stacks, DATA would be the last frame to be emitted on a stream. Therefore, you can get rid of the code that emits bounded DATA frames if we introduce the use of EOS as a terminator. * It does not make the decoder complex, because in practice no decoder will block until it receives an entire DATA frame. * DATA will be the most frequently used frame (compared to nothing else). Therefore, it is beneficial to reduce the number of the frames (by allowing use of EOS as the terminator). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1885#issuecomment-431570158 ----==_mimepart_5bcb09a9a5019_36e83ff84fcd45c4195789 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@dtikhonov

Isn't this as simple as foregoing the initial size check and closing t= he connection if you do hit the internal limit?

You also need to handle EOS differently. In the bounded frame case, se= eing EOS before consuming the entire frame is a protocol error. In the no= n-bounded case, seeing it is a non-error.

To generalize, allowing the use of EOS as a terminator for non-DATA fr= ames introduces new complexity to some decoders. OTOH, allowing = that does not simplify on the encoder side, because you need the code to = emit such frames in the middle of the stream.

This is very different from DATA frames:

  • For many HQ stacks, DATA would be the last frame to be emitted on a s= tream. Therefore, you can get rid of the code that emits bounded DATA fra= mes if we introduce the use of EOS as a terminator.
  • It does not make the decoder complex, because in practice no decoder = will block until it receives an entire DATA frame.
  • DATA will be the most frequently used frame (compared to nothing else= ). Therefore, it is beneficial to reduce the number of the frames (by all= owing use of EOS as the terminator).

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Delayed data on a single stream can cause delays in the server catchin= g up to what the client wants -- and your observation that the request ca= n arrive before its PRIORITY frame does is certainly a valid instance of = that -- but reordering of valid priority instructions ca= uses actual differences, not just delay.

[emphasis added]

@MikeBishop, why the "but?" Since the server must priorit= ize a new request somehow when its PRIORITY frame is delayed, ar= e you sure there is no scenario wherein the reordering you describe can o= ccur?

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----==_mimepart_5bcc0c193e826_7a293fbd488d45c415415d-- From nobody Sat Oct 20 22:45:57 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D98D6130EFC for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 22:45:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.064, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lK5BZDNilYto for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 22:45:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CDE85130EFB for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 22:45:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 22:45:52 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1540100752; bh=4t3yasv0MdyZ4YxzDQZ35Rp6Jf7XgYvbWE3KWp5qibs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=l4DvSTFbyWcdA60LTbiEvX/AC7/rCswXCkZInrq6faAnXG5ixzlkWZzQT8QzVgBt8 Ebq+gJwl+3xHxc0c0r2JT1bkkmAGHbGBRCf4H4uyc6Q9Cpw0BonqTkai2gXhn1yC3n 6DGGJbyFCKWMk4xi83+cBLah8OM4W+t7x5/QzUVA= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] In-order priority changes in HQ does not hold (#1865) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bcc1290b2426_6dd93fad96ad45c05061422"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 05:45:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bcc1290b2426_6dd93fad96ad45c05061422 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Of course I'm not, because there's an obvious one -- the server finishes sending the response before it sees the PRIORITY frame. The request was handled at a different priority than it would have been had the client's wishes been known. The Exclusive flag enables a PRIORITY frame about two elements to implicitly change the relationships of other elements, and that's what fundamentally makes the race inescapable. If that flag didn't exist, I think Dmitri's solution would work quite elegantly. Hmm.... *\*considers taking a bit out\** -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1865#issuecomment-431640820 ----==_mimepart_5bcc1290b2426_6dd93fad96ad45c05061422 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Of course I'm not, because there's an obvious one -- the server finish= es sending the response before it sees the PRIORITY frame. The request w= as handled at a different priority than it would have been had the client= 's wishes been known.

The Exclusive flag enables a PRIORITY frame about two elements to impl= icitly change the relationships of other elements, and that's what fundam= entally makes the race inescapable. If that flag didn't exist, I think D= mitri's solution would work quite elegantly.

Hmm.... *considers taking a bit out*

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@martinthomson requested changes on this pull request.

Remove that last clause please.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  verified through an address validation token (delivered via a Retry packet or
-a NEW_TOKEN frame) or by processing any message from the client encrypted using
-the Handshake keys.  This limit exists to mitigate amplification attacks.
+a NEW_TOKEN frame), by processing any message from the client encrypted using
+the Handshake keys, or by processing a TLS ClientHello with a valid
+pre-shared key.  This limit exists to mitigate amplification attacks.

This last is not sufficient for address validation.

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No mention of version negotiation depending on them. I'm a little disappointed. Of course, I agree with the other comments recommending the current mandate be retained.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -318,12 +318,27 @@ is available, or if the network changes, the initial RTT SHOULD be set to 100ms.
 When an acknowledgement is received, a new RTT is computed and the timer
 SHOULD be set for twice the newly computed smoothed RTT.
 
-When crypto packets are sent, the sender SHOULD set a timer for the crypto
+When crypto packets are sent, the sender MUST set a timer for the crypto
 timeout period.  Upon timeout, the sender MUST retransmit all unacknowledged

This doc uses timeout and timeout period fairly consistently, so I'd like to keep it as is.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  timeout period.  Upon timeout, the sender MUST retransmit all unacknowledged
-CRYPTO data by calling RetransmitAllUnackedCryptoData(). On each consecutive
-expiration of the crypto timer without receiving an acknowledgement for a new
-packet, the sender SHOULD double the crypto handshake timeout and set a timer
-for this period.
+CRYPTO data if possible.
+
+Until the server has validated the client's address on the path, the number of
+bytes it can send is limited, as specified in {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
+If not all unacknowledged CRYPTO data can be sent, then all unacknowledged

This paragraph talks about the server's behavior, not the client's?

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----==_mimepart_5bccb0f460a98_6b233fadf86d45bc8463a0-- From nobody Sun Oct 21 10:08:40 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DAE8130DFE for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2018 10:08:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.064, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6jFYk6vWv4_y for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2018 10:08:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 204B6130DC7 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2018 10:08:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 10:08:37 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1540141717; bh=POo79QTCl9kvMsMJJ0+/3j1XTsHxno+rqWreFi3KfZo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ocGvdnnsDCdkBeAH4IjvdSPhLWjhB99ya5k8xUsRsB177UNR2YTnJAVR9ZYpJim7X 7NmnhW31J4aBJNj1b+7kl5qveInXOQiLs6z97TgJ2/BQSbvBDEBXGGuO94byHaPx26 bGsSzTvqtn6x51BVTR0G9mgK7pKDMMOoMPKbxIjU= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] DATA frame encoding is inefficient for long dynamically generated bodies (#1885) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bccb2955225e_32a3ff1136d45b817412a2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 17:08:40 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bccb2955225e_32a3ff1136d45b817412a2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Curious: What do you use trailers for? Clearly our code will end up having to support specified lengths due to interop and the small number of cases(push and trailers included) that we support. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1885#issuecomment-431686042 ----==_mimepart_5bccb2955225e_32a3ff1136d45b817412a2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Curious: What do you use trailers for?

Clearly our code will end up having to support specified lengths due to interop and the small number of cases(push and trailers included) that we support.

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -803,12 +803,14 @@ frame, and the receiver MUST use the final offset to account for all bytes sent
 on the stream in its connection level flow controller.
 
 RST_STREAM terminates one direction of a stream abruptly.  Whether any action or
-response can or should be taken on the data already received is an
-application-specific issue, but it will often be the case that upon receipt of a
-RST_STREAM an endpoint will choose to stop sending data in its own direction. If
-the sender of a RST_STREAM wishes to explicitly state that no future data will
-be processed, that endpoint MAY send a STOP_SENDING frame at the same time.
-
+response can or should be taken on the data already received is an application-
+specific issue.

nit: I'd suggest "decision" or "choice" instead of issue. Or maybe say "is application-specific."?

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -803,12 +803,14 @@ frame, and the receiver MUST use the final offset to account for all bytes sent
 on the stream in its connection level flow controller.
 
 RST_STREAM terminates one direction of a stream abruptly.  Whether any action or
-response can or should be taken on the data already received is an
-application-specific issue, but it will often be the case that upon receipt of a
-RST_STREAM an endpoint will choose to stop sending data in its own direction. If
-the sender of a RST_STREAM wishes to explicitly state that no future data will
-be processed, that endpoint MAY send a STOP_SENDING frame at the same time.
-
+response can or should be taken on the data already received is an application-
+specific issue.
+
+For a bidirectional stream, RST_STREAM has no effect on data flow in the
+opposite direction. Both endpoints MUST maintain state for that direction until
+that direction enters a terminal state, or either side sends CONNECTION_CLOSE or
+APP_CLOSE. The RST_STREAM sender MAY also send a STOP_SENDING frame to encourage

I think this last sentence might be better as the second sentence. I was a bit confused about whether you meant connection on stream termination when I first read it.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -803,12 +803,14 @@ frame, and the receiver MUST use the final offset to account for all bytes sent
 on the stream in its connection level flow controller.
 
 RST_STREAM terminates one direction of a stream abruptly.  Whether any action or
-response can or should be taken on the data already received is an
-application-specific issue, but it will often be the case that upon receipt of a
-RST_STREAM an endpoint will choose to stop sending data in its own direction. If
-the sender of a RST_STREAM wishes to explicitly state that no future data will
-be processed, that endpoint MAY send a STOP_SENDING frame at the same time.
-
+response can or should be taken on the data already received is an application-
+specific issue.

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@mikkelfj The slowloris attack is against a server, but the peer that must retransmit is the client in this case, so I don't think this particular text is relevant to slowloris?

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I got the same thought after writing it, but I suspected the logic could be similar server side - I'm not sufficiently into that handshake details atm.

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@ianswett H2O is capable of sending server-timing headers = as trailers.

However, regardless of the use case, any proxy (including edge servers= ) that can forward trailers need to use length-delimited DATA frames when= forwarding a chunked response, because it cannot tell whether trailers e= xist until receiving all the response body.

Clearly our code will end up having to support specified lengths due t= o interop and the small number of cases(push and trailers included) that = we support.

Agreed. This discussion is not about simplifying the decoder. It's abo= ut simplifying the encoder used by certain endpoints (as well as reducing= the network overhead in a small degree).

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This is a for instance. And I think that this will become crucial if we go with #1755. In that case, a server that might read the Initial and change the version as a result cannot send Version Negotiation in response to 0-RTT packets.

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I was apparently the only one confused, but since this is different from HTTP/2 it may be good to make it crystal clear. Commit: 0a40b4499df60d901b5ccf56e0dcd972ce275a43 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0a40b4499df60d901b5ccf56e0dcd972ce275a43 Author: martinduke Date: 2018-10-22 (Mon, 22 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- mikkelfj's comments Commit: 2b18ce659e1299035c32ca53db7637b737d0cfb5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2b18ce659e1299035c32ca53db7637b737d0cfb5 Author: martinduke Date: 2018-10-22 (Mon, 22 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fix line that was too long Commit: d8de502b6ed4cdf73fa917fc7f148ebe5390a727 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d8de502b6ed4cdf73fa917fc7f148ebe5390a727 Author: martinduke Date: 2018-10-22 (Mon, 22 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Rewrote to address discussion The reviews expired a rewrite. I think it's even clearer now, and avoids some of the bad inferences of the previous version. 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GitHub is acting out here. Fix merged manually.

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I've also added subsections, splitting out the feedback system (which is simple) with the verification stuff (which is less so). **NOTE:** This service has been marked for deprecation: https://developer.github.com/changes/2018-04-25-github-services-deprecation/ Functionality will be removed from GitHub.com on January 31st, 2019. ----==_mimepart_5bcd0ae013fbd_64312ad65b6ae5808621-- From nobody Sun Oct 21 16:27:36 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7466130ED1 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2018 16:27:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.064, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0XS_ftuGsyZO for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2018 16:27:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-9.smtp.github.com (out-9.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E9489130ED6 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2018 16:27:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 16:27:24 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1540164444; bh=gbQ1sqH0mZMRsG8X8Nw1duwu/OHR4fBTL+uFnnw8nKk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=qlnCzE8Yr71YpK54xEWjiTofXkUK9VcqdgxubpYyw2nBX+8CZ6mDWGI7O94vSQ6Fq K1dNFuEKy+Gath8CVtdnL+W0ck+7K1ewG2Qawo5nn6lX03VXah+/29JrMxu63nNrej M6uKfoLQrRQ7+HRKWjIlOIpNznAay+f+Ykuh7rQc= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add Advice and Rules for CONN_CLOSE in Initial and Handshake (#1786) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bcd0b5bf3a21_36a3fd7d00d45c01240492"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 23:27:35 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bcd0b5bf3a21_36a3fd7d00d45c01240492 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #1786 via #1818. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Closed #1786 via #1818.

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It mis... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bcd0c94398db_573f2aac53846578743a3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 23:32:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bcd0c94398db_573f2aac53846578743a3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/how-to-protect-close Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 9138fd991036a0af2c1593ef96d75ad8ed9be07b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9138fd991036a0af2c1593ef96d75ad8ed9be07b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-22 (Mon, 22 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- I decided to reword this after reading it. It missed a few key things. I think that the second piece to #1786, which was to make allowances for fatal errors arising from Initial packets won't be necessary. I'm happy to see a PR, of course, but the sentiment I've heard expressed is that it is very hard to manage this, and the spec wouldn't expressly prevent someone from trying to build a system that was resilient to maliciously-crafted Initial packets, but we wouldn't take steps in this document to deal with that. As previously agreed, if you are attacked and the attacker was able to modify Initial packets, then they can deny you the ability to connect. Closes #1818, #1786. 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If you are sending less than 2^62-1, then the special case is that you read until `min(end_of_frame, end_of_stream)` and don't treat overflow as an error. It's not completely without framing, but the framing goes right down (1.95e-18% I think). (I say this, while not being all that receptive to the feature with so little benefit.) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1885#issuecomment-431715821 ----==_mimepart_5bcd1480623ed_338c3f9db68d45bc776211 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Also, rather than making DATA "special," I'd probably just add text to= the framing layer section that a length of zero means the frame extends = to the end of the QUIC stream.

@MikeBishop, how about allowing the frame to run past the= end of the stream? If you are sending less than 2^62-1, then the specia= l case is that you read until min(end_of_frame, end_of_stream) and don't treat overflow as an error. It's not completely without fra= ming, but the framing goes right down (1.95e-18% I think).

(I say this, while not being all that receptive to the feature with so= little benefit.)

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@LPardue

There is some industry attention being paid to chunking end-to-end thr= ough the delivery chain.

I understand the same way.

Perhaps there's scope for an extension to HQ and/or H2 that can explic= itly declare no trailers on a stream, wresting performance on the endcode= or pass through cases.

I am not sure if I like the complexity, partly because the small perfo= rmance gain we will see (see @dtikhonov' comment at &m= dash;
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@LPardue

There is some industry attention being paid to chunking end-to-end thr= ough the delivery chain.

I understand the same way.

Perhaps there's scope for an extension to HQ and/or H2 that can explic= itly declare no trailers on a stream, wresting performance on the endcode= or pass through cases.

I am not sure if I like the complexity, partly because the small perfo= rmance gain we will see (see @dtikhonov' comment at &m= dash;
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@LPardue

There is some industry attention being paid to chunking end-to-end thr= ough the delivery chain.

I understand the same way.

Perhaps there's scope for an extension to HQ and/or H2 that can explic= itly declare no trailers on a stream, wresting performance on the endcode= or pass through cases.

I am not sure if I like the complexity, partly because of the small pe= rformance gain we will see (see @dtikhonov' comment at #1885 (comment)), and also because it could be hard to use; it= is often the case that a proxy cannot guess at the time of connection es= tablishment to which origin server it would be connecting (consider the u= se of secondary server certificates).

I think my preference might go to fixing the issue in QUIC v2. For exa= mple, we could move the chunking layer into the transport by adding a END= _OF_BLOCK flag to a STREAM frame for indicating the end of each block wit= hin a STREAM. Assuming that many of the application protocols will transf= er size-delimited blocks (e.g. HQ frames), it makes sense to support the = concept in transport.

Having it expressed as a flag of a STREAMS frame (by burning the frame= type octet) will give us simplicity and efficiency in terms of = bandwidth, because we can totally omit the Length field of the HQ frames.=

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@LPardue

There is some industry attention being paid to chunking end-to-end thr= ough the delivery chain.

I understand the same way.

Perhaps there's scope for an extension to HQ and/or H2 that can explic= itly declare no trailers on a stream, wresting performance on the endcode= or pass through cases.

I am not sure if I like the complexity, partly because of the small pe= rformance gain we will see (see @dtikhonov' comment at #1885 (comment)), and also because it could be hard to use; it= is often the case that a proxy cannot guess at the time of connection es= tablishment to which origin server it would be connecting (consider the u= se of secondary server certificates).

Actually, my preference might go to fixing the issue in QUIC v2. For e= xample, we could move the chunking layer into the transport by adding a E= ND_OF_BLOCK flag to a STREAM frame for indicating the end of each block w= ithin a STREAM. Assuming that many of the application protocols will tran= sfer size-delimited blocks (e.g. HQ frames), it makes sense to support th= e concept in transport.

Having it expressed as a flag of a STREAMS frame (by burning the frame= type octet) will give us simplicity and efficiency in terms of = bandwidth, because we can totally eliminate the Length field of the HQ fr= ames.

&m= dash;
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This moves the section under packetization and reliability.
I've also added subsections, splitting out the feedback system (which is
simple) with the verification stuff (which is less so).

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1896

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  • Move ECN section

File Changes

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LGTM. > @@ -926,6 +926,23 @@ them with other connection IDs for the same connection. As a trivial example, this means the same connection ID MUST NOT be issued more than once on the same connection. +Packets with long headers include at least two connection IDs, which are used to +establish the connection IDs that are used for the connection when established, +see {{negotiating-connection-ids}} for details. There can be three in a Retry. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1888#pullrequestreview-166982791 ----==_mimepart_5bcdf2fb91a7b_1f113fce8e0d45c025937fd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -926,6 +926,23 @@ them with other connection IDs for the same connection.  As a trivial example,
 this means the same connection ID MUST NOT be issued more than once on the same
 connection.
 
+Packets with long headers include at least two connection IDs, which are used to
+establish the connection IDs that are used for the connection when established,
+see {{negotiating-connection-ids}} for details.

There can be three in a Retry.

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Still easier to misunderstand than I'd really like, but I agree it's correct now.

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Technically, don't you have to declare in your header whether there wi= ll be trailers and what they will be? So that is actually known if you'r= e parsing the HTTP semantic layer. However, this layer of the mapping do= esn't attempt to encode it.

@martinthomson, that's another way to do it, but it make= s me very nervous to say that we can't tell the difference between intent= and a bug. Seems like a door to a security risk or at least potential c= onsistency concerns. Consider a proxy whose back-end connection is inter= rupted and closes the stream before the entire payload has been transferr= ed -- that error gets propagated and looks like a normal, intended respon= se under those rules.

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Certainly taking the minimum of stream and frame seems like an invitatio= n to problems.
Predeclaring trailers is inconvenient if you don't know that ahead of time.= Separate stream, v2?

I (kind of) like what @kazuho wrote about blocks/boundaries within a st= ream in v2, but this is a large topic that digs into partial reliability. I= 'm not sure boundaries on their own are that useful because a flag in a str= eam header still require a stream frame while an application embedding its = own framing can be more dense, depending on the frame size vs. packet size.= I did make such a proposal a boundary proposal a long time ago (out of sco= pe for v1).

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Are there any technical issues with placing DATA frames in its own strea= m, like ordering dependencie or undue receiver complexity? Otherwise it see= ms like a cleaner solution than hacking a 0 length for some frames. I agree= with @kazuho that magic 0 for all frames just complicates frame handling = in general.

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= ----==_mimepart_5bcdf9deafd2_38fe3fad96ad45c077741d2-- From nobody Mon Oct 22 10:28:18 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C669B128CB7 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 10:28:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2xBGuhbKqbmu for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 10:28:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C66E71252B7 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 10:28:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 10:28:12 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1540229292; bh=YlMf+Hgj8LD5gv/JAq7eHE8SRGafZMgF3aziriNWVsc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=xxpIqyGKDo+BBeSN4LOMtpDMpPwLgZ/b3zJoBTvRFwFTmCVS5mXjSZu7hxl9LgPKR DnMEjqRHx/pxi8+0JSLz45XJ2JZUw+mOD7ag7nVncpOfGax/7bdaJw+cdDX/YsOk11 bdLA34WcNv+tgPItad/jSYkSZt1kFRVdZIy/b0hs= From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] DATA frame encoding is inefficient for long dynamically generated bodies (#1885) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bce08ac5f94f_30733fadf86d45bc16016d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 17:28:16 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bce08ac5f94f_30733fadf86d45bc16016d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @MikeBishop perhaps, the current specs about Transfer Encoding and use of the "Trailer" header have caught me out in the past - I'm not aware of people using TE in H2 or HQ since chunked is forbidden. As you hint toward, my point was to expose some information about the framing flow on streams explicitly on the stream, if they deviate from the standard behaviour. Such a signal could be generated by an origin and used by other endpoints to determine their behaviour. If this was at the mapping layer, it could avoid the need to invoke QPACK. Although, there may be legitimate reasons to decode QPACk anyway. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1885#issuecomment-431905899 ----==_mimepart_5bce08ac5f94f_30733fadf86d45bc16016d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@MikeBishop perhaps, the current specs about Transfer Enc= oding and use of the "Trailer" header have caught me out in the past - I'= m not aware of people using TE in H2 or HQ since chunked is forbidden.

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@mikkelfj, yes. That was the design adopted first by GQUIC then (in= a different incarnation) in early versions of the HQ draft. There needs t= o be a guaranteed ordering between parts of the response and PUSH_PROMISE f= rames, and QUIC only provides guaranteed ordering on the same stream.

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Technically, don't you have to declare in your header whether there wi= ll be trailers and what they will be? So that is actually known if you're= parsing the HTTP semantic layer. However, this layer of the mapping does= n't attempt to encode it.

The use of Trailers header field is merely a recommendati= on (i.e. SHOULD). And as you point out, there is no signal a= t the encoding layer. So from an intermediary's perspective, IMO it's jus= t more natural to forward the trailers as they are, regardless of what th= e value of (or the existence of) the Trailers header is. Though I agree t= hat dropping trailers in case of the absence of the Trailers= header field will not cause interoperability in practice.

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I'm not sure boundaries on their own are that useful because a flag in a stream header still require a stream frame while an application embedding its own framing can be more dense, depending on the frame size vs. packet size. Well, it's a matter of how you encode it. We can for example define the encoding of STREAM frame as a series of blocks. That way, we can eliminate having needless metadata (i.e. stream ID, offset) for each block. > I did make such a proposal a boundary proposal a long time ago (out of scope for v1). Yeah. While I think that is the ideal thing to do, I do not want to revisit the discussion now. My intention is to use it as a counter-approach to express my impression that occasionally using EOS as a terminator of DATA frame is kind of a band-aid solution. Admittedly, this is a nice-looking band aid. 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I (kind of) like what @kazuho wrote about blocks/boundaries wit= hin a stream in v2, but this is a large topic that digs into partial reli= ability. I'm not sure boundaries on their own are that useful because a f= lag in a stream header still require a stream frame while an application = embedding its own framing can be more dense, depending on the frame size = vs. packet size.

Well, it's a matter of how you encode it. We can for example define th= e encoding of STREAM frame as a series of blocks. That way, we can elimin= ate having needless metadata (i.e. stream ID, offset) for each block.

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I did make such a proposal a boundary proposal a long time ago (out of= scope for v1).

Yeah. While I think that is the ideal thing to do, I do not want to re= visit the discussion now. My intention is to use it as a counter-approach= to express my impression that occasionally using EOS as a terminator of = DATA frame is kind of a band-aid solution. Admittedly, this is a nice-loo= king band aid. But it is not ideal, and I'd prefer either applying it min= imally or deferring it to v2 to fix the issue in the ideal way.

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Thanks for doing this. A few minor comments. > +Each endpoint independently verifies and enables use of ECN by setting the IP +header ECN codepoint to ECN Capable Transport (ECT) for the path from it to the +other peer. Even if ECN is not used on the path to the peer, the endpoint MUST +provide feedback about ECN markings received (if accessible). + +To verify both that a path supports ECN and the peer can provide ECN feedback, +an endpoint MUST set the ECT(0) codepoint in the IP header of all outgoing +packets {{!RFC8311}}. + +If an ECT codepoint set in the IP header is not corrupted by a network device, +then a received packet contains either the codepoint sent by the peer or the +Congestion Experienced (CE) codepoint set by a network device that is +experiencing congestion. + +If a packet sent with an ECT codepoint is newly acknowledged by the peer in an +ACK frame, the endpoint stops setting ECT codepoints in subsequent packets, with ```suggestion ACK frame without ECN feedback, the endpoint stops setting ECT codepoints in subsequent packets, with the expectation that either the network or the peer no longer supports ECN. ``` > +header ECN codepoint to ECN Capable Transport (ECT) for the path from it to the +other peer. Even if ECN is not used on the path to the peer, the endpoint MUST +provide feedback about ECN markings received (if accessible). + +To verify both that a path supports ECN and the peer can provide ECN feedback, +an endpoint MUST set the ECT(0) codepoint in the IP header of all outgoing +packets {{!RFC8311}}. + +If an ECT codepoint set in the IP header is not corrupted by a network device, +then a received packet contains either the codepoint sent by the peer or the +Congestion Experienced (CE) codepoint set by a network device that is +experiencing congestion. + +If a packet sent with an ECT codepoint is newly acknowledged by the peer in an +ACK frame, the endpoint stops setting ECT codepoints in subsequent packets, with +the expectation that either the network or the peer no longer supports ECN. ```suggestion ``` > +and includes these counters in subsequent (see {{processing-and-ack}}) ACK +frames (see {{frame-ack}}). + +A packet detected by a receiver as a duplicate does not affect the receiver's +local ECN codepoint counts; see ({{security-ecn}}) for relevant security +concerns. + +If an endpoint receives a packet without an ECT or CE codepoint, it responds per +{{processing-and-ack}} with an ACK frame. If an endpoint does not have access +to received ECN codepoints, it acknowledges received packets per +{{processing-and-ack}} with an ACK frame. + + +### ECN Verification + +Each endpoint independently verifies and enables use of ECN by setting the IP I think we should say something about when this verification can be done. It can be done any time during the connection, but it might make the most sense to do it along with the handshake. We may want to add some retransmission suggestions: if a handshake packet is detected as lost then send the retransmission without ECT bits. (Feel free to add a TODO here if you don't want to address this in this PR.) I'm also wondering if we should add a fwd reference in the handshake section to here, with something like "An endpoint MAY combine the cryptographic handshake with ECN verification, as described in {{}}". -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

Thanks for doing this. A few minor comments.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +Each endpoint independently verifies and en=
ables use of ECN by setting the IP
+header ECN codepoint to ECN Capable Transport (ECT) for the path from it t=
o the
+other peer. Even if ECN is not used on the path to the peer, the endpoint =
MUST
+provide feedback about ECN markings received (if accessible).
+
+To verify both that a path supports ECN and the peer can provide ECN feedb=
ack,
+an endpoint MUST set the ECT(0) codepoint in the IP header of all outgoing
+packets {{!RFC8311}}.
+
+If an ECT codepoint set in the IP header is not corrupted by a network dev=
ice,
+then a received packet contains either the codepoint sent by the peer or t=
he
+Congestion Experienced (CE) codepoint set by a network device that is
+experiencing congestion.
+
+If a packet sent with an ECT codepoint is newly acknowledged by the peer i=
n an
+ACK frame, the endpoint stops setting ECT codepoints in subsequent packets=
, with
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-ACK frame, the endpoint stops setting ECT codep=
oints in subsequent packets, with
+ACK frame without ECN feedback, the endpoint stops setting ECT codepoints =
in
+subsequent packets, with the expectation that either the network or the pe=
er no
+longer supports ECN.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +header ECN codepoint to ECN Capable Transpo=
rt (ECT) for the path from it to the
+other peer. Even if ECN is not used on the path to the peer, the endpoint =
MUST
+provide feedback about ECN markings received (if accessible).
+
+To verify both that a path supports ECN and the peer can provide ECN feedb=
ack,
+an endpoint MUST set the ECT(0) codepoint in the IP header of all outgoing
+packets {{!RFC8311}}.
+
+If an ECT codepoint set in the IP header is not corrupted by a network dev=
ice,
+then a received packet contains either the codepoint sent by the peer or t=
he
+Congestion Experienced (CE) codepoint set by a network device that is
+experiencing congestion.
+
+If a packet sent with an ECT codepoint is newly acknowledged by the peer i=
n an
+ACK frame, the endpoint stops setting ECT codepoints in subsequent packets=
, with
+the expectation that either the network or the peer no longer supports ECN.
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-the expectation that either the network or the =
peer no longer supports ECN.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +and includes these counters in subsequent (=
see {{processing-and-ack}}) ACK
+frames (see {{frame-ack}}).
+
+A packet detected by a receiver as a duplicate does not affect the receive=
r's
+local ECN codepoint counts; see ({{security-ecn}}) for relevant security
+concerns.
+
+If an endpoint receives a packet without an ECT or CE codepoint, it respon=
ds per
+{{processing-and-ack}} with an ACK frame.  If an endpoint does not have ac=
cess
+to received ECN codepoints, it acknowledges received packets per
+{{processing-and-ack}} with an ACK frame.
+
+
+### ECN Verification
+
+Each endpoint independently verifies and enables use of ECN by setting the=
 IP

I think we should say something about when this verification can be done= . It can be done any time during the connection, but it might make the most= sense to do it along with the handshake. We may want to add some retransmi= ssion suggestions: if a handshake packet is detected as lost then send the = retransmission without ECT bits. (Feel free to add a TODO here if you don't= want to address this in this PR.)

I'm also wondering if we should add a fwd reference in the handshake sec= tion to here, with something like "An endpoint MAY combine the cryptographi= c handshake with ECN verification, as described in {{}}".

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Thanks for the reorg. I think this text needs some work. > @@ -1365,7 +1203,9 @@ packets. The first client packet of the cryptographic handshake protocol MUST fit within a 1232 octet QUIC packet payload. This includes overheads that reduce the space -available to the cryptographic handshake protocol. +available to the cryptographic handshake protocol. This forms part of the I don't feel like this is at the right spot. This is saying the Initial CRYPTO message needs to fit into 1232 bytes, but doesn't talk about the min packet size. > @@ -1656,34 +1496,193 @@ One way that a new format could be introduced is to define a TLS extension with a different codepoint. -## Stateless Retries {#stateless-retry} - +# Address Validation + +Address validation is used by QUIC to avoid being used for a traffic +amplification attack. In such an attack, a packet is sent to a server with +spoofed source address information that identifies a victim. If a server +generates more or larger packets in response to that packet, the attacker can +use the server to send more data toward the victim than it would be able to send +on its own. + +The primary defense against amplification attack is verifying that an endpoint +is able to receive packets at the transport address that it claims. Address +validation is performed both during connection establishment (see +{{validate-new}}) and during connection migration (see {{migrate-validate}}). nit: how about validate-handshake or something similar as the section title? I was a bit confused about what validate-new might be talking about prior to reading this sentence. > +validation is performed both during connection establishment (see +{{validate-new}}) and during connection migration (see {{migrate-validate}}). + + +## Address Validation During Connection Establishment {#validate-new} + +During the initial handshake, QUIC requires that clients send UDP datagrams with +at least 1200 octets of payload until the server has completed address +validation. A server can thereby send more data to an unproven address without +increasing the amplification advantage gained by an attacker. + +A server eventually confirms that a client has received its messages when the +first Handshake-level message is received. This might be insufficient, either +because the server wishes to avoid the computational cost of completing the +handshake, or it might be that the size of the packets that are sent during the +handshake is too large. This is especially important for 0-RTT, where the is -> are > +on its own. + +The primary defense against amplification attack is verifying that an endpoint +is able to receive packets at the transport address that it claims. Address +validation is performed both during connection establishment (see +{{validate-new}}) and during connection migration (see {{migrate-validate}}). + + +## Address Validation During Connection Establishment {#validate-new} + +During the initial handshake, QUIC requires that clients send UDP datagrams with +at least 1200 octets of payload until the server has completed address +validation. A server can thereby send more data to an unproven address without +increasing the amplification advantage gained by an attacker. + +A server eventually confirms that a client has received its messages when the I'd drop eventually. > + +The primary defense against amplification attack is verifying that an endpoint +is able to receive packets at the transport address that it claims. Address +validation is performed both during connection establishment (see +{{validate-new}}) and during connection migration (see {{migrate-validate}}). + + +## Address Validation During Connection Establishment {#validate-new} + +During the initial handshake, QUIC requires that clients send UDP datagrams with +at least 1200 octets of payload until the server has completed address +validation. A server can thereby send more data to an unproven address without +increasing the amplification advantage gained by an attacker. + +A server eventually confirms that a client has received its messages when the +first Handshake-level message is received. This might be insufficient, either insufficient for what? > + +The primary defense against amplification attack is verifying that an endpoint +is able to receive packets at the transport address that it claims. Address +validation is performed both during connection establishment (see +{{validate-new}}) and during connection migration (see {{migrate-validate}}). + + +## Address Validation During Connection Establishment {#validate-new} + +During the initial handshake, QUIC requires that clients send UDP datagrams with +at least 1200 octets of payload until the server has completed address +validation. A server can thereby send more data to an unproven address without +increasing the amplification advantage gained by an attacker. + +A server eventually confirms that a client has received its messages when the +first Handshake-level message is received. This might be insufficient, either Or maybe this whole paragraph should be removed, because it's really not easy to read for me and I'm not sure what it's attempting to add. > + +Initial[0]: CRYPTO[CH] -> + + <- Retry+Token + +Initial+Token[0]: CRYPTO[CH] -> + + Initial[0]: CRYPTO[SH] ACK[0] + Handshake[0]: CRYPTO[EE, CERT, CV, FIN] + <- 1-RTT[0]: STREAM[1, "..."] +~~~~ +{: #fig-retry title="Example Handshake Showing Retry"} + +A connection MAY be accepted without address validation - or with only limited +validation - but a server SHOULD limit the data it sends toward an unvalidated +address. Successful completion of the cryptographic handshake implicitly I think this last sentence is slightly incorrect. Given it's covered above, maybe remove it? Also, the limit towards an unvalidated address is covered above, so if there's anything important being added here, maybe move it above? > + +Initial+Token[0]: CRYPTO[CH] -> + + Initial[0]: CRYPTO[SH] ACK[0] + Handshake[0]: CRYPTO[EE, CERT, CV, FIN] + <- 1-RTT[0]: STREAM[1, "..."] +~~~~ +{: #fig-retry title="Example Handshake Showing Retry"} + +A connection MAY be accepted without address validation - or with only limited +validation - but a server SHOULD limit the data it sends toward an unvalidated +address. Successful completion of the cryptographic handshake implicitly +provides proof that the client has received packets from the server. + + +### Address Validation for Future Connections {#validation-future} Technically this is still token based address validation, so the previous heading was a bit misleading. Possibly it should be renamed Retry based address validation? > +There is no need for a single well-defined format for the token because the +server that generates the token also consumes it. A token could include If the token includes this information, should we say something like. If any information is included, it SHOULD be encrypted to avoid spoofing or leaking of information? > +There is no need for a single well-defined format for the token because the +server that generates the token also consumes it. A token could include +information about the claimed client address (IP and port), a timestamp, and any +other supplementary information the server will need to validate the token in +the future. + +An address validation token MUST be difficult to guess. Including a large This seems like the most critical requirement, so maybe it should be first? 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Thanks for the reorg. I think this text needs some work.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1365,7 +1203,9 @@ packets.
 
 The first client packet of the cryptographic handshake protocol MUST fit within
 a 1232 octet QUIC packet payload.  This includes overheads that reduce the space
-available to the cryptographic handshake protocol.
+available to the cryptographic handshake protocol.  This forms part of the

I don't feel like this is at the right spot. This is saying the Initial CRYPTO message needs to fit into 1232 bytes, but doesn't talk about the min packet size.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1656,34 +1496,193 @@ One way that a new format could be introduced is to define a TLS extension with
 a different codepoint.
 
 
-## Stateless Retries {#stateless-retry}
-<!-- TODO: Move this section elsewhere. -->
+# Address Validation
+
+Address validation is used by QUIC to avoid being used for a traffic
+amplification attack.  In such an attack, a packet is sent to a server with
+spoofed source address information that identifies a victim.  If a server
+generates more or larger packets in response to that packet, the attacker can
+use the server to send more data toward the victim than it would be able to send
+on its own.
+
+The primary defense against amplification attack is verifying that an endpoint
+is able to receive packets at the transport address that it claims.  Address
+validation is performed both during connection establishment (see
+{{validate-new}}) and during connection migration (see {{migrate-validate}}).

nit: how about validate-handshake or something similar as the section title? I was a bit confused about what validate-new might be talking about prior to reading this sentence.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +validation is performed both during connection establishment (see
+{{validate-new}}) and during connection migration (see {{migrate-validate}}).
+
+
+## Address Validation During Connection Establishment {#validate-new}
+
+During the initial handshake, QUIC requires that clients send UDP datagrams with
+at least 1200 octets of payload until the server has completed address
+validation. A server can thereby send more data to an unproven address without
+increasing the amplification advantage gained by an attacker.
+
+A server eventually confirms that a client has received its messages when the
+first Handshake-level message is received. This might be insufficient, either
+because the server wishes to avoid the computational cost of completing the
+handshake, or it might be that the size of the packets that are sent during the
+handshake is too large.  This is especially important for 0-RTT, where the

is -> are

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +on its own.
+
+The primary defense against amplification attack is verifying that an endpoint
+is able to receive packets at the transport address that it claims.  Address
+validation is performed both during connection establishment (see
+{{validate-new}}) and during connection migration (see {{migrate-validate}}).
+
+
+## Address Validation During Connection Establishment {#validate-new}
+
+During the initial handshake, QUIC requires that clients send UDP datagrams with
+at least 1200 octets of payload until the server has completed address
+validation. A server can thereby send more data to an unproven address without
+increasing the amplification advantage gained by an attacker.
+
+A server eventually confirms that a client has received its messages when the

I'd drop eventually.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+The primary defense against amplification attack is verifying that an endpoint
+is able to receive packets at the transport address that it claims.  Address
+validation is performed both during connection establishment (see
+{{validate-new}}) and during connection migration (see {{migrate-validate}}).
+
+
+## Address Validation During Connection Establishment {#validate-new}
+
+During the initial handshake, QUIC requires that clients send UDP datagrams with
+at least 1200 octets of payload until the server has completed address
+validation. A server can thereby send more data to an unproven address without
+increasing the amplification advantage gained by an attacker.
+
+A server eventually confirms that a client has received its messages when the
+first Handshake-level message is received. This might be insufficient, either

insufficient for what?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+The primary defense against amplification attack is verifying that an endpoint
+is able to receive packets at the transport address that it claims.  Address
+validation is performed both during connection establishment (see
+{{validate-new}}) and during connection migration (see {{migrate-validate}}).
+
+
+## Address Validation During Connection Establishment {#validate-new}
+
+During the initial handshake, QUIC requires that clients send UDP datagrams with
+at least 1200 octets of payload until the server has completed address
+validation. A server can thereby send more data to an unproven address without
+increasing the amplification advantage gained by an attacker.
+
+A server eventually confirms that a client has received its messages when the
+first Handshake-level message is received. This might be insufficient, either

Or maybe this whole paragraph should be removed, because it's really not easy to read for me and I'm not sure what it's attempting to add.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+Initial[0]: CRYPTO[CH] ->
+
+                                                <- Retry+Token
+
+Initial+Token[0]: CRYPTO[CH] ->
+
+                                 Initial[0]: CRYPTO[SH] ACK[0]
+                       Handshake[0]: CRYPTO[EE, CERT, CV, FIN]
+                                 <- 1-RTT[0]: STREAM[1, "..."]
+~~~~
+{: #fig-retry title="Example Handshake Showing Retry"}
+
+A connection MAY be accepted without address validation - or with only limited
+validation - but a server SHOULD limit the data it sends toward an unvalidated
+address.  Successful completion of the cryptographic handshake implicitly

I think this last sentence is slightly incorrect. Given it's covered above, maybe remove it? Also, the limit towards an unvalidated address is covered above, so if there's anything important being added here, maybe move it above?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+Initial+Token[0]: CRYPTO[CH] ->
+
+                                 Initial[0]: CRYPTO[SH] ACK[0]
+                       Handshake[0]: CRYPTO[EE, CERT, CV, FIN]
+                                 <- 1-RTT[0]: STREAM[1, "..."]
+~~~~
+{: #fig-retry title="Example Handshake Showing Retry"}
+
+A connection MAY be accepted without address validation - or with only limited
+validation - but a server SHOULD limit the data it sends toward an unvalidated
+address.  Successful completion of the cryptographic handshake implicitly
+provides proof that the client has received packets from the server.
+
+
+### Address Validation for Future Connections {#validation-future}

Technically this is still token based address validation, so the previous heading was a bit misleading. Possibly it should be renamed Retry based address validation?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
+There is no need for a single well-defined format for the token because the
+server that generates the token also consumes it.  A token could include

If the token includes this information, should we say something like. If any information is included, it SHOULD be encrypted to avoid spoofing or leaking of information?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
+There is no need for a single well-defined format for the token because the
+server that generates the token also consumes it.  A token could include
+information about the claimed client address (IP and port), a timestamp, and any
+other supplementary information the server will need to validate the token in
+the future.
+
+An address validation token MUST be difficult to guess.  Including a large

This seems like the most critical requirement, so maybe it should be first? Especially since the first and third paragraphs of this section flow together better than having this one in the middle.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2313,6 +2304,13 @@ the application requests that the connection be closed.  The application
 protocol can use an APPLICATION_CLOSE message with an appropriate error code to
 signal closure.
 
+If the connection has been successfully established, endpoints MUST send any
+closing frames in a 1-RTT packet.  Prior to connection establishment, endpoints
+SHOULD send closing frames in a Handshake packet.  An endpoint MAY send closing

Does this need a caveat like "...SHOULD send closing frames in a Handshake packet if possible."

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Changes one MAY to a SHOULD for consistency and clarifies some text about a potential flow control deadlock.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -926,6 +926,23 @@ them with other connection IDs for the same connection.  As a trivial example,
 this means the same connection ID MUST NOT be issued more than once on the same
 connection.
 
+Packets with long headers include at least two connection IDs, which are used to
+establish the connection IDs that are used for the connection when established,
+see {{negotiating-connection-ids}} for details.

How about "Packets with long headers include two connection IDs in the header, which are used.." If you want to clarify that Retry adds a third used for path verification, that would be better than saying "at least 2"

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -926,6 +926,23 @@ them with other connection IDs for the same connection.  As a trivial example,
 this means the same connection ID MUST NOT be issued more than once on the same
 connection.
 
+Packets with long headers include at least two connection IDs, which are used to
+establish the connection IDs that are used for the connection when established,
+see {{negotiating-connection-ids}} for details.

"used" is used twice in the sentence, which doesn't reads well. Also agree with @ianswett that it is worth spelling out the Retry case instead of alluding to it.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -926,6 +926,23 @@ them with other connection IDs for the same connection.  As a trivial example,
 this means the same connection ID MUST NOT be issued more than once on the same
 connection.
 
+Packets with long headers include at least two connection IDs, which are used to
+determine the connection IDs that are used for the connection when established,
+see {{negotiating-connection-ids}} for details.
+
+Packets with short headers ({{short-header}}) only include the Destination
+Connection ID and omit the explicit length.  The length of the Destination
+Connection ID field is expected to be known to endpoints.  Endpoints that use a
+load balancer that routes based on connection ID could agree with the load

Run on sentence ("that ... that"). I prefer the earlier construction: "Endpoints using a connection-ID based load balancer could agree with the load balancer on a fixed or minimum length and on an encoding for connection IDs."

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As a trivial example, this means the same connection ID MUST NOT be issued more than once on the same connection. +Packets with long headers include at least two connection IDs, which are used to +establish the connection IDs that are used for the connection when established, +see {{negotiating-connection-ids}} for details. Not at this point in the document; this is too soon for that. Tweaked. > @@ -926,6 +926,23 @@ them with other connection IDs for the same connection. As a trivial example, this means the same connection ID MUST NOT be issued more than once on the same connection. +Packets with long headers include at least two connection IDs, which are used to +determine the connection IDs that are used for the connection when established, +see {{negotiating-connection-ids}} for details. + +Packets with short headers ({{short-header}}) only include the Destination +Connection ID and omit the explicit length. The length of the Destination +Connection ID field is expected to be known to endpoints. Endpoints that use a +load balancer that routes based on connection ID could agree with the load It has all the problems already highlighted, plus the precedence of the "or" and "and" toward the end is unclear. I've tweaked again. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1888#discussion_r227227604 ----==_mimepart_5bceaf16e0248_48193f91dd0d45b82902d0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -926,6 +926,23 @@ them with other connection IDs for the same connection.  As a trivial example,
 this means the same connection ID MUST NOT be issued more than once on the same
 connection.
 
+Packets with long headers include at least two connection IDs, which are used to
+establish the connection IDs that are used for the connection when established,
+see {{negotiating-connection-ids}} for details.

Not at this point in the document; this is too soon for that. Tweaked.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -926,6 +926,23 @@ them with other connection IDs for the same connection.  As a trivial example,
 this means the same connection ID MUST NOT be issued more than once on the same
 connection.
 
+Packets with long headers include at least two connection IDs, which are used to
+determine the connection IDs that are used for the connection when established,
+see {{negotiating-connection-ids}} for details.
+
+Packets with short headers ({{short-header}}) only include the Destination
+Connection ID and omit the explicit length.  The length of the Destination
+Connection ID field is expected to be known to endpoints.  Endpoints that use a
+load balancer that routes based on connection ID could agree with the load

It has all the problems already highlighted, plus the precedence of the "or" and "and" toward the end is unclear. I've tweaked again.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +and includes these counters in subsequent (see {{processing-and-ack}}) ACK
+frames (see {{frame-ack}}).
+
+A packet detected by a receiver as a duplicate does not affect the receiver's
+local ECN codepoint counts; see ({{security-ecn}}) for relevant security
+concerns.
+
+If an endpoint receives a packet without an ECT or CE codepoint, it responds per
+{{processing-and-ack}} with an ACK frame.  If an endpoint does not have access
+to received ECN codepoints, it acknowledges received packets per
+{{processing-and-ack}} with an ACK frame.
+
+
+### ECN Verification
+
+Each endpoint independently verifies and enables use of ECN by setting the IP

Happy to take other PRs as a follow-on. Note that this is literally reordering text, so correcting any omission is strictly improvements on this.

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From @janaiyengar with respect to the ECN verification section in #1896:

I think we should say something about when this verification can be done. It can be done any time during the connection, but it might make the most sense to do it along with the handshake. We may want to add some retransmission suggestions: if a handshake packet is detected as lost then send the retransmission without ECT bits. (Feel free to add a TODO here if you don't want to address this in this PR.)

I'm also wondering if we should add a fwd reference in the handshake section to here, with something like "An endpoint MAY combine the cryptographic handshake with ECN verification, as described in {{}}".

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----==_mimepart_5bceb010a04c2_29783fa8ce0d45c4769a2-- From nobody Mon Oct 22 22:24:12 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BD4F130E89 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 22:24:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.499 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.499 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gIQbURN-djDl for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 22:24:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m69-170.mailgun.net (m69-170.mailgun.net [166.78.69.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4104A1293FB for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 22:24:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1540272248; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=BqX1ZkYpTnEQyrf6PQHB6F3KCPc64xDpq2OC6tG9f2M=; b=SzcsQiIrMVl3lAygMHo59waSHn48lCKklAURQrR5tETQD09A3PQ63Mg3hxzeDppMPiu/4JcO iE8y5ZAgrDOettNrOLimwVJuWQm7eDsBMfyKxg66QQUxWUyX5deEINfXm4lcZ34aqnWCmYzI /xAEvlMcjO2gUXwK/W1CbJIYBSo= X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.69.170 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.39]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 5bceb078.7f45306cca20-smtp-out-n02; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 05:24:08 -0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 22:24:08 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5bceb0785a54d_8f22b2a4df665741388b@hookshot-fe-31feec6.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 533205: Allow rate limiting of Version Negotiation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bceb07859eeb_8f22b2a4df665741373c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 05:24:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bceb07859eeb_8f22b2a4df665741373c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 533205904a29636f4526357deb1be5568f8290f7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/533205904a29636f4526357deb1be5568f8290f7 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-19 (Fri, 19 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Allow rate limiting of Version Negotiation As discussed in #1758, we only need to allow rate limiting. However, the particular example I draw on will become critical if we adopt the proposed changes to version negotiation in #1755 (or something like it), because the only packet a server can confidently respond to with Version Negotiation in that case is the Initial. If we adopt an iteration of #1755, then this text would need to be expanded to explain that also. Closes #1758. Commit: 5cec317e527e05810bad5e546c9dcc49dcab7544 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5cec317e527e05810bad5e546c9dcc49dcab7544 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-22 (Mon, 22 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Qualify Commit: 6932dea7e5c00730a255301c43454002df20355b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6932dea7e5c00730a255301c43454002df20355b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-23 (Tue, 23 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1891 from quicwg/skip-vn-0rtt Allow rate limiting of Version Negotiation Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/fd88f994d972...6932dea7e5c0 **NOTE:** This service has been marked for deprecation: https://developer.github.com/changes/2018-04-25-github-services-deprecation/ Functionality will be removed from GitHub.com on January 31st, 2019. ----==_mimepart_5bceb07859eeb_8f22b2a4df665741373c-- From nobody Mon Oct 22 22:24:21 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E2F1130EBC for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 22:24:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mJvnAqtlJiHy for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 22:24:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3AC7130E89 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 22:24:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 22:24:11 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1540272251; bh=otKegfxyrzvhRG+0SF/TKlppSbxiEcUWeYuMnzEgIlw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=iQBYxqYH6Qoq9O3Jgvb220yJEz/o6HvIAzA4CCSPIoRIdk5k3aqoz3TVQaBn8rQOp zFxJQ/8Inn818JrI3TsDFWM8CdcA6GT+aPsgCRYCo4tgvGOP0L9wybPi457DB8xbAe eJUBKJvkr36gvD0o+1nxk3Kc8wlHMIqwnF0wkwzM= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow servers to omit version negotiation in response to 0-RTT packets. 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I've also added subsections, splitting out the feedback system (which is simple) with the verification stuff (which is less so). Commit: b82cdab5d6429d8dca97a68336a10cc52e41dc4f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b82cdab5d6429d8dca97a68336a10cc52e41dc4f Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-10-23 (Tue, 23 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- ACK now includes ECN Co-Authored-By: martinthomson Commit: 7e548dddd16698ae31ff1e620cc9b894e82843e1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7e548dddd16698ae31ff1e620cc9b894e82843e1 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-10-23 (Tue, 23 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove duplicated text. Co-Authored-By: martinthomson Commit: fd88f994d972e9a8a08bdc5e3418a1d8c53759f5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fd88f994d972e9a8a08bdc5e3418a1d8c53759f5 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-23 (Tue, 23 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1896 from quicwg/move-ecn Move ECN section Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/2e193f4cde6c...fd88f994d972 **NOTE:** This service has been marked for deprecation: https://developer.github.com/changes/2018-04-25-github-services-deprecation/ Functionality will be removed from GitHub.com on January 31st, 2019. ----==_mimepart_5bceb00df0d9f_2d462ac12bd0858860539-- From nobody Mon Oct 22 22:58:57 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 508E7130F0F for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 22:58:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.499 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.499 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k_mmW26y5i8l for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 22:58:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m69-170.mailgun.net (m69-170.mailgun.net [166.78.69.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E20A1130F08 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 22:58:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1540274318; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=dhJdZNXCY33n1LgZvKATRpXsLlr/cNsPypvAGKbDCLM=; b=w4OnneCbP1LfEwIJQJwdvhPVe8sKUAu59+KIKVowCiWCkuP7oD6P0MVYaExSnkueeFTa31Gx 81sdQWTdqFCSecte+g709EKIt+lP6IYVdSv/I1lvj4Roj144/V8kPRpcQFLbxqcQNO40Vk7D d4hVJUGTTTUkEus2lUoV53rUz+k= X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.69.170 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.37]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 5bceb88d.7f32e829a3c0-smtp-out-n02; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 05:58:37 -0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 22:58:37 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5bceb88db2515_1d9e2af0c3a8457457437@hookshot-fe-32b5f5b.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 54c6a7: Add version negotiation picture Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bceb88db21a3_1d9e2af0c3a8457457386"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 05:58:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bceb88db21a3_1d9e2af0c3a8457457386 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/consolidate-validation Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 54c6a7e747fb8979321cec6f63ed4807be579e94 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/54c6a7e747fb8979321cec6f63ed4807be579e94 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-23 (Tue, 23 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add version negotiation picture Reword a few things as well. Commit: 05ec2f6c36cadf4e78d5a92d47aea00667a2426a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/05ec2f6c36cadf4e78d5a92d47aea00667a2426a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-23 (Tue, 23 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Consistency fixes Commit: 534a4e32629d3bc0c02a74447124c5e5e2fa4bda https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/534a4e32629d3bc0c02a74447124c5e5e2fa4bda Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-23 (Tue, 23 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reorder section Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/789db42c6b0a...534a4e32629d **NOTE:** This service has been marked for deprecation: https://developer.github.com/changes/2018-04-25-github-services-deprecation/ Functionality will be removed from GitHub.com on January 31st, 2019. ----==_mimepart_5bceb88db21a3_1d9e2af0c3a8457457386-- From nobody Mon Oct 22 22:59:03 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B85D130E96 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 22:58:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zpmdwNuR15XK for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 22:58:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E838C130F0B for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 22:58:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 22:58:40 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1540274320; bh=qjaFFI2+KfdoJH2i5EfJgrbUim1CvuH5HFZU+UAbVSc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ty4qfUqA0tk307s55ONU6dVYq1hg8Kh1kNSNQWc5SNwUC1xbIeGCm15VZEaVqKFlZ Hlicb3STp+rkW2pH1yATDCD2/Bda4rIXo30fCioueZSOGRSKZaK2Y4sso5EhSe9U4C HGX03RFkrb4kGGKVSE+oxbNsbvLRq78tR8CzSopQ= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Push Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Move and consolidate address validation (#1886) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bceb890ae005_2d143fd2f98d45bc6999cd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: push X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 05:58:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bceb890ae005_2d143fd2f98d45bc6999cd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinthomson pushed 3 commits. 54c6a7e Add version negotiation picture 05ec2f6 Consistency fixes 534a4e3 Reorder section -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Thanks for reading Ian. Clearly the bit on address validation during the handshake was unclear, so I've worked on it some more. That bit is all new, so read carefully. Other comments should be addressed. > + +Initial[0]: CRYPTO[CH] -> + + <- Retry+Token + +Initial+Token[0]: CRYPTO[CH] -> + + Initial[0]: CRYPTO[SH] ACK[0] + Handshake[0]: CRYPTO[EE, CERT, CV, FIN] + <- 1-RTT[0]: STREAM[1, "..."] +~~~~ +{: #fig-retry title="Example Handshake Showing Retry"} + +A connection MAY be accepted without address validation - or with only limited +validation - but a server SHOULD limit the data it sends toward an unvalidated +address. Successful completion of the cryptographic handshake implicitly Removed. Also, some more rewording above. > +There is no need for a single well-defined format for the token because the +server that generates the token also consumes it. A token could include There isn't any need to encrypt in many cases. The information you tend to want here is an IP and maybe port, maybe with a timestamp. All of which is already visible to any observer. I expect that many implementations will encrypt, just to keep the details of their DoS mitigation secret, but I don't want too much hand-holding, especially when we'd be basing that recommendation on information we can't really describe in any detail. > +There is no need for a single well-defined format for the token because the +server that generates the token also consumes it. A token could include +information about the claimed client address (IP and port), a timestamp, and any +other supplementary information the server will need to validate the token in +the future. + +An address validation token MUST be difficult to guess. Including a large I've moved the first paragraph to the end instead. > +on its own. + +The primary defense against amplification attack is verifying that an endpoint +is able to receive packets at the transport address that it claims. Address +validation is performed both during connection establishment (see +{{validate-new}}) and during connection migration (see {{migrate-validate}}). + + +## Address Validation During Connection Establishment {#validate-new} + +During the initial handshake, QUIC requires that clients send UDP datagrams with +at least 1200 octets of payload until the server has completed address +validation. A server can thereby send more data to an unproven address without +increasing the amplification advantage gained by an attacker. + +A server eventually confirms that a client has received its messages when the Well, this is a very important point. 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Thanks for reading Ian.

Clearly the bit on address validation during the handshake was unclear, so I've worked on it some more. That bit is all new, so read carefully.

Other comments should be addressed.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+Initial[0]: CRYPTO[CH] ->
+
+                                                <- Retry+Token
+
+Initial+Token[0]: CRYPTO[CH] ->
+
+                                 Initial[0]: CRYPTO[SH] ACK[0]
+                       Handshake[0]: CRYPTO[EE, CERT, CV, FIN]
+                                 <- 1-RTT[0]: STREAM[1, "..."]
+~~~~
+{: #fig-retry title="Example Handshake Showing Retry"}
+
+A connection MAY be accepted without address validation - or with only limited
+validation - but a server SHOULD limit the data it sends toward an unvalidated
+address.  Successful completion of the cryptographic handshake implicitly

Removed. Also, some more rewording above.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
+There is no need for a single well-defined format for the token because the
+server that generates the token also consumes it.  A token could include

There isn't any need to encrypt in many cases. The information you tend to want here is an IP and maybe port, maybe with a timestamp. All of which is already visible to any observer. I expect that many implementations will encrypt, just to keep the details of their DoS mitigation secret, but I don't want too much hand-holding, especially when we'd be basing that recommendation on information we can't really describe in any detail.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
+There is no need for a single well-defined format for the token because the
+server that generates the token also consumes it.  A token could include
+information about the claimed client address (IP and port), a timestamp, and any
+other supplementary information the server will need to validate the token in
+the future.
+
+An address validation token MUST be difficult to guess.  Including a large

I've moved the first paragraph to the end instead.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +on its own.
+
+The primary defense against amplification attack is verifying that an endpoint
+is able to receive packets at the transport address that it claims.  Address
+validation is performed both during connection establishment (see
+{{validate-new}}) and during connection migration (see {{migrate-validate}}).
+
+
+## Address Validation During Connection Establishment {#validate-new}
+
+During the initial handshake, QUIC requires that clients send UDP datagrams with
+at least 1200 octets of payload until the server has completed address
+validation. A server can thereby send more data to an unproven address without
+increasing the amplification advantage gained by an attacker.
+
+A server eventually confirms that a client has received its messages when the

Well, this is a very important point. Namely that address validation is a natural by-product of the handshake completing.

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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bcfa4b2946cc_7fe82aeb4c3be57c72527"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 22:46:14 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bcfa4b2946cc_7fe82aeb4c3be57c72527 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 6bbfbdfff1303446ab251e038bcb8720ec99e408 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6bbfbdfff1303446ab251e038bcb8720ec99e408 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-19 (Fri, 19 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Consolidate connection ID negotiation section with prior text The text here was mostly good, and I believe that this is a good place for that text. However, some of the text was expository in nature, and I moved that up to the connection ID definition section. There is some new stuff in there, mostly just to point forward to the negotiation section. Commit: e56b38a33a1bc4a6c75f9631b40ab857235a64ab https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e56b38a33a1bc4a6c75f9631b40ab857235a64ab Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-22 (Mon, 22 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reword based on feedback Commit: d20f5b542ed3374310df3d824453dfb2484e1816 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d20f5b542ed3374310df3d824453dfb2484e1816 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-23 (Tue, 23 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- My ideas for corrections, taking feedback into account Commit: c49a4052155123850fe52fd24e7866566c952c98 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c49a4052155123850fe52fd24e7866566c952c98 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-10-23 (Tue, 23 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1888 from quicwg/fix-cid-nego Consolidate connection ID negotiation section with prior text Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/d64ec4997a47...c49a40521551 **NOTE:** This service has been marked for deprecation: https://developer.github.com/changes/2018-04-25-github-services-deprecation/ Functionality will be removed from GitHub.com on January 31st, 2019. ----==_mimepart_5bcfa4b2946cc_7fe82aeb4c3be57c72527-- From nobody Tue Oct 23 15:46:37 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE696130E6B for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 15:46:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.469 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.469 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A6bklyZkH218 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 15:46:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1EA4D130E84 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 15:46:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 15:46:13 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1540334773; bh=Oq+off2jJGI8KcqmFltSsZt6VSlgtrUK/XpogsewrcQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=VG2GZ7VeNlKXCmCP1lXHqCOH39gAf48y/lFTcm96FBwZTbLKfjObSwoi2Z/77VWUv MezfNONh8jr2EHf8mNRaszF7cZKoUm55DdfO3aC3B4MeexnKtxGqvIc+QzBHgEBvdn gQWixyUnKr9clkPc8OMjmIdmBJFvniq2J4hb0JV8= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Consolidate connection ID negotiation section with prior text (#1888) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bcfa4b53d4c7_438a3fde23ed45b82068e4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 22:46:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bcfa4b53d4c7_438a3fde23ed45b82068e4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merged #1888 into master. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Merged #1888 into master.

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Closing in favour of a bigger change.

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I don't think the case is strong enough here to warrant a change. I'll try to improve the text instead.

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Closes #1845.

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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +handshake, the server then needs to valid=
ate that the client owns the address
+that it claims.  QUIC therefore provides mechanisms for source address
+validation during connection establishment.
+
+Source addresses can be verified through an address validation token.  T=
his
+token is delivered during connection establishment with a Retry packet (=
see
+{{validate-retry}}) or in a previous connection using the NEW_TOKEN fram=
e (see
+{{validate-future}}).
+
+
+### Address Validation using Retry Packets {#validate-retry}
+
+QUIC uses token-based address validation during connection establishment=
.  Any
+time the server wishes to validate a client address, it provides the cli=
ent with
+a token.  As long as it is not possible for an attacker to generate a va=
lid
+token for its address (see {{token-integrity}}) and the client is able t=
o return
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-token for its address (see {{token-integrity}=
}) and the client is able to return
+token for its address (see {{token-integrity}}) and the client is able t=
o return
+token for its own address (see {{token-integrity}}) and the client is ab=
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+### Address Validation using Retry Packets {#validate-retry}
+
+QUIC uses token-based address validation during connection establishment=
.  Any
+time the server wishes to validate a client address, it provides the cli=
ent with
+a token.  As long as it is not possible for an attacker to generate a va=
lid
+token for its address (see {{token-integrity}}) and the client is able t=
o return
+that token, it proves to the server that it received the token.
+
+Upon receiving the client's Initial packet, the server can request a=
ddress
+validation by sending a Retry packet ({{packet-retry}}) containing a tok=
en. This
+token is repeated by the client in an Initial packet after it receives t=
he Retry
+packet.  In response to receiving a token in an Initial packet, a server=
 can
+either abort the connection or permit it to proceed.
+
+
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +### Address Validation using Retry Packet=
s {#validate-retry}
+
+QUIC uses token-based address validation during connection establishment=
.  Any
+time the server wishes to validate a client address, it provides the cli=
ent with
+a token.  As long as it is not possible for an attacker to generate a va=
lid
+token for its address (see {{token-integrity}}) and the client is able t=
o return
+that token, it proves to the server that it received the token.
+
+Upon receiving the client's Initial packet, the server can request a=
ddress
+validation by sending a Retry packet ({{packet-retry}}) containing a tok=
en. This
+token is repeated by the client in an Initial packet after it receives t=
he Retry
+packet.  In response to receiving a token in an Initial packet, a server=
 can
+either abort the connection or permit it to proceed.
+
+
+A server can also use the Retry packet to defer the state and processing=
 costs
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-A server can also use the Retry packet to def=
er the state and processing costs
+A server can also use the Retry packet to defer the state and processing=
 costs
+A server can also use a Retry packet to defer the state and processing c=
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= = ----==_mimepart_5bcfad4e75316_ec43f91c70d45c4687fd-- From nobody Tue Oct 23 16:25:52 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8899E130E97 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 16:25:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PtQM7aq6M4iS for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 16:25:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC3A2130EAE for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 16:25:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=bpT7tSCO516m/qy252s71KDafDQ=; b=e+MnxUrUBQU+TYrv xkEKavI6+93XXY8f4uRtGRrMfwcexx/V+a/j3VNAcyheadKDpPioTQniLZtuqGf7 N2pok/ezagRZvJmuG7OayyA/qUemTpLvSW0NU5V1fJroykQ8WaLe+NGTC7SPkd4s 27Xq9Q5W464/JpD/GoThgDrGp1U= Received: by filter1452p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1452p1mdw1-14757-5BCFADEF-5 2018-10-23 23:25:35.583595053 +0000 UTC m=+435716.641989208 Received: from github-lowworker-56a5eb2.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.33]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 8SltBN14RdSqixmew1jPsg for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 23:25:35.536 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-56a5eb2.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F2B3C13D1 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 16:25:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 23:25:35 +0000 (UTC) From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Move and consolidate address validation (#1886) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bcfadef7bd21_564f3fb9aaed45c45079e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak08YBFirrpNTecSZdPDhSj52OU9M8txRWtqtF jDHBQV2hz64rQQLAIJ2hwWNFC+QiIubGzJj11xrQlrpNl4UFEgAf899GWIuZEGsAA976k1EQaNCyML B+/hfkl5Tdt7ZSEMLa6CFXk9oMFt25365iYqebqzToKC4TD3CgHuVREesBOa2eCaeZxflBquaUo+ok U= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 23:25:51 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bcfadef7bd21_564f3fb9aaed45c45079e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit janaiyengar commented on this pull request. > +QUIC uses token-based address validation during connection establishment. Any +time the server wishes to validate a client address, it provides the client with +a token. As long as it is not possible for an attacker to generate a valid +token for its address (see {{token-integrity}}) and the client is able to return +that token, it proves to the server that it received the token. + +Upon receiving the client's Initial packet, the server can request address +validation by sending a Retry packet ({{packet-retry}}) containing a token. This +token is repeated by the client in an Initial packet after it receives the Retry +packet. In response to receiving a token in an Initial packet, a server can +either abort the connection or permit it to proceed. + + +A server can also use the Retry packet to defer the state and processing costs +of connection establishment. By giving the client a different connection ID to +use, the connection might be routed to a different server instance, which have ```suggestion use, a server can cause the connection to be routed to a server instance with more resources available for new connections. ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1886#pullrequestreview-167678067 ----==_mimepart_5bcfadef7bd21_564f3fb9aaed45c45079e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +QUIC uses token-based address validation du=
ring connection establishment.  Any
+time the server wishes to validate a client address, it provides the clien=
t with
+a token.  As long as it is not possible for an attacker to generate a valid
+token for its address (see {{token-integrity}}) and the client is able to =
return
+that token, it proves to the server that it received the token.
+
+Upon receiving the client's Initial packet, the server can request add=
ress
+validation by sending a Retry packet ({{packet-retry}}) containing a token=
. This
+token is repeated by the client in an Initial packet after it receives the=
 Retry
+packet.  In response to receiving a token in an Initial packet, a server c=
an
+either abort the connection or permit it to proceed.
+
+
+A server can also use the Retry packet to defer the state and processing c=
osts
+of connection establishment.  By giving the client a different connection =
ID to
+use, the connection might be routed to a different server instance, which =
have
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-use, the connection might be routed to a differ=
ent server instance, which have
+use, a server can cause the connection to be routed to a server instance w=
ith
+more resources available for new connections.

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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +time the server wishes to validate a clie=
nt address, it provides the client with
+a token.  As long as it is not possible for an attacker to generate a va=
lid
+token for its address (see {{token-integrity}}) and the client is able t=
o return
+that token, it proves to the server that it received the token.
+
+Upon receiving the client's Initial packet, the server can request a=
ddress
+validation by sending a Retry packet ({{packet-retry}}) containing a tok=
en. This
+token is repeated by the client in an Initial packet after it receives t=
he Retry
+packet.  In response to receiving a token in an Initial packet, a server=
 can
+either abort the connection or permit it to proceed.
+
+
+A server can also use the Retry packet to defer the state and processing=
 costs
+of connection establishment.  By giving the client a different connectio=
n ID to
+use, the connection might be routed to a different server instance, whic=
h have
+additional capacity for new connections.
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-additional capacity for new connections.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+The server uses the NEW_TOKEN frame {{frame-new-token}} to provide the cli=
ent
+with an address validation token that can be used to validate future
+connections.  The client may then use this token to validate future connec=
tions
+by including it in the Initial packet's header.  The client MUST NOT u=
se the
+token provided in a Retry for future connections.
+
+Unlike the token that is created for a Retry packet, there might be some t=
ime
+between when the token is created and when the token is subsequently used.
+Thus, a resumption token SHOULD include an expiration time.  The server MAY
+include either an explicit expiration time or an issued timestamp and
+dynamically calculate the expiration time.  It is also unlikely that the c=
lient
+port number is the same on two different connections; validating the port =
is
+therefore unlikely to be successful.
+
+A resumption token SHOULD be easily distinguishable from tokens that are s=
ent in
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-A resumption token SHOULD be easily distinguish=
able from tokens that are sent in
+A resumption token SHOULD be constructed to be easily distinguishable from=
 tokens that
+are sent in Retry packets as they are carried in the same field.

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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +The server uses the NEW_TOKEN frame {{frame=
-new-token}} to provide the client
+with an address validation token that can be used to validate future
+connections.  The client may then use this token to validate future connec=
tions
+by including it in the Initial packet's header.  The client MUST NOT u=
se the
+token provided in a Retry for future connections.
+
+Unlike the token that is created for a Retry packet, there might be some t=
ime
+between when the token is created and when the token is subsequently used.
+Thus, a resumption token SHOULD include an expiration time.  The server MAY
+include either an explicit expiration time or an issued timestamp and
+dynamically calculate the expiration time.  It is also unlikely that the c=
lient
+port number is the same on two different connections; validating the port =
is
+therefore unlikely to be successful.
+
+A resumption token SHOULD be easily distinguishable from tokens that are s=
ent in
+Retry packets as they are carried in the same field.
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-Retry packets as they are carried in the same f=
ield.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

+A token allows a server to correlate activity between connections.
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-A token allows a server to correlate activity=
 between connections.
+A token allows a server to correlate activity between the connection whe=
re the token
+was issued and any connection where it is used.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+A token allows a server to correlate activity between connections.
+Specifically, the connection where the token was issued, and any connect=
ion
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-Specifically, the connection where the token =
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

+A token allows a server to correlate activity between connections.
+Specifically, the connection where the token was issued, and any connect=
ion
+where it is used.  Clients that want to break continuity of identity wit=
h a
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-where it is used.  Clients that want to break=
 continuity of identity with a
+Clients that want to break continuity of identity with a

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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Commit: ccbaf4c20040baa61547bbe8532da5b0243271e2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ccbaf4c20040baa61547bbe8532da5b0243271e2 Author: martinduke Date: 2018-10-05 (Fri, 05 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Addressed Kazuho's issue changing criteria for sending 1-RTT connection close. Commit: 196e49549cd9931945203c6306c586837d3c0152 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/196e49549cd9931945203c6306c586837d3c0152 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-19 (Fri, 19 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove some excessive nesting from reorg Commit: 6bbfbdfff1303446ab251e038bcb8720ec99e408 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6bbfbdfff1303446ab251e038bcb8720ec99e408 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-19 (Fri, 19 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Consolidate connection ID negotiation section with prior text The text here was mostly good, and I believe that this is a good place for that text. However, some of the text was expository in nature, and I moved that up to the connection ID definition section. There is some new stuff in there, mostly just to point forward to the negotiation section. Commit: 2246cec97303a523234f9f97449f578b70791abd https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2246cec97303a523234f9f97449f578b70791abd Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-19 (Fri, 19 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Clarify coalesced packet processing Closes #1844, #1840. Commit: 427068d02f2e0bf4eb7dd4dcbb94400aff14069c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/427068d02f2e0bf4eb7dd4dcbb94400aff14069c Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2018-10-18 (Thu, 18 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove implicit ack of crypto data Commit: 127130c7c0515b4cabd31318bc64e13128479a0a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/127130c7c0515b4cabd31318bc64e13128479a0a Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2018-10-18 (Thu, 18 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' of https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 533205904a29636f4526357deb1be5568f8290f7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/533205904a29636f4526357deb1be5568f8290f7 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-19 (Fri, 19 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Allow rate limiting of Version Negotiation As discussed in #1758, we only need to allow rate limiting. However, the particular example I draw on will become critical if we adopt the proposed changes to version negotiation in #1755 (or something like it), because the only packet a server can confidently respond to with Version Negotiation in that case is the Initial. If we adopt an iteration of #1755, then this text would need to be expanded to explain that also. Closes #1758. Commit: 595680a05b06e2ab2c2fa24725e696af0ce05600 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/595680a05b06e2ab2c2fa24725e696af0ce05600 Author: martinduke Date: 2018-10-19 (Fri, 19 Oct 2018) Changed paths: A .gitattributes M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' into patch-21 Commit: efe45fcbb6e47ddc820bf73340e64d3f6f929ea7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/efe45fcbb6e47ddc820bf73340e64d3f6f929ea7 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-10-21 (Sun, 21 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Amplification limit in recovery (#1862) * Amplification limit in recovery Follow up for Issue #1764 * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md * Crypto retransmission timer * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md * Client always sends * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Co-Authored-By: ianswett * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Co-Authored-By: ianswett * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Co-Authored-By: ianswett Commit: e56b38a33a1bc4a6c75f9631b40ab857235a64ab https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e56b38a33a1bc4a6c75f9631b40ab857235a64ab Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-22 (Mon, 22 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reword based on feedback Commit: 5cec317e527e05810bad5e546c9dcc49dcab7544 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5cec317e527e05810bad5e546c9dcc49dcab7544 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-22 (Mon, 22 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Qualify Commit: 91d3baf420838e30e8b52b6eb2a3fc8e59f8c608 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/91d3baf420838e30e8b52b6eb2a3fc8e59f8c608 Author: martinduke Date: 2018-10-22 (Mon, 22 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Explicitly suggest FIN or RST_STREAM For issue #1878. I was apparently the only one confused, but since this is different from HTTP/2 it may be good to make it crystal clear. Commit: 0a40b4499df60d901b5ccf56e0dcd972ce275a43 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0a40b4499df60d901b5ccf56e0dcd972ce275a43 Author: martinduke Date: 2018-10-22 (Mon, 22 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- mikkelfj's comments Commit: 2b18ce659e1299035c32ca53db7637b737d0cfb5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2b18ce659e1299035c32ca53db7637b737d0cfb5 Author: martinduke Date: 2018-10-22 (Mon, 22 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fix line that was too long Commit: d8de502b6ed4cdf73fa917fc7f148ebe5390a727 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d8de502b6ed4cdf73fa917fc7f148ebe5390a727 Author: martinduke Date: 2018-10-22 (Mon, 22 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Rewrote to address discussion The reviews expired a rewrite. I think it's even clearer now, and avoids some of the bad inferences of the previous version. Commit: 52194b484499f2473225c97f5d0962fdb1e203be https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/52194b484499f2473225c97f5d0962fdb1e203be Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-22 (Mon, 22 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Tweak it Commit: 2c5e7b8b0ebd8bee2386c7fd0e44d92f6c23a8c3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2c5e7b8b0ebd8bee2386c7fd0e44d92f6c23a8c3 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-22 (Mon, 22 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Trailing shitespace Commit: b5975277ac77a8510eaf88e1186b9b740dfe85fe https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b5975277ac77a8510eaf88e1186b9b740dfe85fe Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-22 (Mon, 22 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Move ECN section This moves the section under packetization and reliability. I've also added subsections, splitting out the feedback system (which is simple) with the verification stuff (which is less so). Commit: 423086760a816d572b8178532b051a797309f3df https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/423086760a816d572b8178532b051a797309f3df Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-22 (Mon, 22 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1818 from martinduke/patch-21 Clarify crypto context for Connection Close Commit: 5caa2e83722b8cd82560e2a0be8213a7b5041d99 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5caa2e83722b8cd82560e2a0be8213a7b5041d99 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2018-10-22 (Mon, 22 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md Log Message: ----------- Escape single quotes in static table (#1883) Commit: d62b4972a0823b200a4130d847f26337174ea71d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d62b4972a0823b200a4130d847f26337174ea71d Author: ianswett Date: 2018-10-22 (Mon, 22 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- STREAM_ID_BLOCKED nits Changes one MAY to a SHOULD for consistency and clarifies some text about a potential flow control deadlock. Fixes #1867 Commit: bfbac9f2feb93a2cc759b85851f68b6deda0999f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/bfbac9f2feb93a2cc759b85851f68b6deda0999f Author: ianswett Date: 2018-10-22 (Mon, 22 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Commit: 8a153284997f4bc0baa0af916cfbc11f33f974a7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8a153284997f4bc0baa0af916cfbc11f33f974a7 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-10-22 (Mon, 22 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1887 from quicwg/denest Remove some excessive nesting from reorg Commit: 2e193f4cde6cbaf29959687b7ca7179e2969685c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2e193f4cde6cbaf29959687b7ca7179e2969685c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-23 (Tue, 23 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1897 from quicwg/ianswett-blocked-deadlock STREAM_ID_BLOCKED nits Commit: d20f5b542ed3374310df3d824453dfb2484e1816 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d20f5b542ed3374310df3d824453dfb2484e1816 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-23 (Tue, 23 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- My ideas for corrections, taking feedback into account Commit: b82cdab5d6429d8dca97a68336a10cc52e41dc4f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b82cdab5d6429d8dca97a68336a10cc52e41dc4f Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-10-23 (Tue, 23 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- ACK now includes ECN Co-Authored-By: martinthomson Commit: 7e548dddd16698ae31ff1e620cc9b894e82843e1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7e548dddd16698ae31ff1e620cc9b894e82843e1 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-10-23 (Tue, 23 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove duplicated text. Co-Authored-By: martinthomson Commit: fd88f994d972e9a8a08bdc5e3418a1d8c53759f5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fd88f994d972e9a8a08bdc5e3418a1d8c53759f5 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-23 (Tue, 23 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1896 from quicwg/move-ecn Move ECN section Commit: 6932dea7e5c00730a255301c43454002df20355b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6932dea7e5c00730a255301c43454002df20355b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-23 (Tue, 23 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1891 from quicwg/skip-vn-0rtt Allow rate limiting of Version Negotiation Commit: d64ec4997a47bbdda6c110f077bbbc8380d01326 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d64ec4997a47bbdda6c110f077bbbc8380d01326 Author: Dmitri Tikhonov Date: 2018-10-23 (Tue, 23 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md Log Message: ----------- Parenthesize 2 * MaxEntries to prevent naive errors (#1856) * Parenthesize 2 * MaxEntries to prevent naive errors Transcribing LargestReference mod 2*MaxEntries + 1 to C one of its offspring without parentheses around 2 * MaxEntries will produce an incorrect result. * Fix lint error (figure too wide) via creative variable renaming * Add parentheses to disambiguate further; 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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -983,23 +983,31 @@ without necessarily =
needing to receive the first packet that triggered the
 change.  An endpoint that notices a changed KEY_PHASE bit can update key=
s and
 decrypt the packet that contains the changed bit.
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+This mechanism replaces the TLS KeyUpdate message.  Endpoints MUST NOT s=
end a
+TLS KeyUpdate message.  Endpoints MUST treat the receipt of a TLS KeyUpd=
ate
+message as a connection error of type 0x10a, equivalent to a fatal TLS a=
lert of
+unexpected_message (see {{tls-errors}}).
+
 An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one key update at a time.  A new=
 key
 cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypte=
d a
 packet with a matching KEY_PHASE.
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 A receiving endpoint detects an update when the KEY_PHASE bit doesn'=
t match what
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
- A receiving endpoint detects an update when =
the KEY_PHASE bit doesn't match what
+A receiving endpoint detects an update when the KEY_PHASE bit does not m=
atch what

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However, some of the text was expository in nature, and I moved that up to the connection ID definition section. There is some new stuff in there, mostly just to point forward to the negotiation section. Commit: 5d0379b828bc23dc2bb0adf4b73c7c9d34c84b72 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5d0379b828bc23dc2bb0adf4b73c7c9d34c84b72 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-19 (Fri, 19 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove redundant retry section Commit: 533205904a29636f4526357deb1be5568f8290f7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/533205904a29636f4526357deb1be5568f8290f7 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-19 (Fri, 19 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Allow rate limiting of Version Negotiation As discussed in #1758, we only need to allow rate limiting. However, the particular example I draw on will become critical if we adopt the proposed changes to version negotiation in #1755 (or something like it), because the only packet a server can confidently respond to with Version Negotiation in that case is the Initial. If we adopt an iteration of #1755, then this text would need to be expanded to explain that also. Closes #1758. Commit: e56b38a33a1bc4a6c75f9631b40ab857235a64ab https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e56b38a33a1bc4a6c75f9631b40ab857235a64ab Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-22 (Mon, 22 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reword based on feedback Commit: 5cec317e527e05810bad5e546c9dcc49dcab7544 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5cec317e527e05810bad5e546c9dcc49dcab7544 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-22 (Mon, 22 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Qualify Commit: 789db42c6b0aa75b9b02ae9dc971893dbb204caf https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/789db42c6b0aa75b9b02ae9dc971893dbb204caf Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-22 (Mon, 22 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Restructure slightly Commit: b5975277ac77a8510eaf88e1186b9b740dfe85fe https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b5975277ac77a8510eaf88e1186b9b740dfe85fe Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-22 (Mon, 22 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Move ECN section This moves the section under packetization and reliability. I've also added subsections, splitting out the feedback system (which is simple) with the verification stuff (which is less so). Commit: 5caa2e83722b8cd82560e2a0be8213a7b5041d99 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5caa2e83722b8cd82560e2a0be8213a7b5041d99 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2018-10-22 (Mon, 22 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md Log Message: ----------- Escape single quotes in static table (#1883) Commit: d62b4972a0823b200a4130d847f26337174ea71d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d62b4972a0823b200a4130d847f26337174ea71d Author: ianswett Date: 2018-10-22 (Mon, 22 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- STREAM_ID_BLOCKED nits Changes one MAY to a SHOULD for consistency and clarifies some text about a potential flow control deadlock. 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Co-Authored-By: martinthomson Commit: fd88f994d972e9a8a08bdc5e3418a1d8c53759f5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fd88f994d972e9a8a08bdc5e3418a1d8c53759f5 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-23 (Tue, 23 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1896 from quicwg/move-ecn Move ECN section Commit: 6932dea7e5c00730a255301c43454002df20355b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6932dea7e5c00730a255301c43454002df20355b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-23 (Tue, 23 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1891 from quicwg/skip-vn-0rtt Allow rate limiting of Version Negotiation Commit: 54c6a7e747fb8979321cec6f63ed4807be579e94 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/54c6a7e747fb8979321cec6f63ed4807be579e94 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-23 (Tue, 23 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add version negotiation picture Reword a few things as well. 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A new key cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypted a packet with a matching KEY_PHASE. A receiving endpoint detects an update when the KEY_PHASE bit doesn't match what it is expecting. It creates a new secret (see Section 7.2 of {{!TLS13}}) and -the corresponding read key and IV. If the packet can be decrypted and -authenticated using these values, then the keys it uses for packet protection -are also updated. The next packet sent by the endpoint will then use the new -keys. - -An endpoint doesn't need to send packets immediately when it detects that its -peer has updated keys. The next packet that it sends will simply use the new -keys. If an endpoint detects a second update before it has sent any packets -with updated keys it indicates that its peer has updated keys twice without -awaiting a reciprocal update. An endpoint MUST treat consecutive key updates as -a fatal error and abort the connection. +the corresponding read key and IV. This uses the same variation on HKDF as ```suggestion the corresponding read key and IV using the same variation on HKDF as ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1899#pullrequestreview-167681218 ----==_mimepart_5bcfb15d8603e_18173fd0608d45bc762e5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one=
 key update at a time.  A new key
 cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypted a
 packet with a matching KEY_PHASE.
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 A receiving endpoint detects an update when the KEY_PHASE bit doesn't =
match what
 it is expecting.  It creates a new secret (see Section 7.2 of {{!TLS13}}) =
and
-the corresponding read key and IV.  If the packet can be decrypted and
-authenticated using these values, then the keys it uses for packet protect=
ion
-are also updated.  The next packet sent by the endpoint will then use the =
new
-keys.
-
-An endpoint doesn't need to send packets immediately when it detects t=
hat its
-peer has updated keys.  The next packet that it sends will simply use the =
new
-keys.  If an endpoint detects a second update before it has sent any packe=
ts
-with updated keys it indicates that its peer has updated keys twice without
-awaiting a reciprocal update.  An endpoint MUST treat consecutive key upda=
tes as
-a fatal error and abort the connection.
+the corresponding read key and IV.  This uses the same variation on HKDF as
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-the corresponding read key and IV.  This uses t=
he same variation on HKDF as
+the corresponding read key and IV using the same variation on HKDF as

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> -
-An endpoint doesn't need to send packets immediately when it detects=
 that its
-peer has updated keys.  The next packet that it sends will simply use th=
e new
-keys.  If an endpoint detects a second update before it has sent any pac=
kets
-with updated keys it indicates that its peer has updated keys twice with=
out
-awaiting a reciprocal update.  An endpoint MUST treat consecutive key up=
dates as
-a fatal error and abort the connection.
+the corresponding read key and IV.  This uses the same variation on HKDF=
 as
+defined in {{protection-keys}}; that is, the prefix "quic " is=
 used in place of
+"tls13 ".
+
+If the packet can be decrypted and authenticated using the updated key a=
nd IV,
+then the keys the endpoint uses for packet protection are also updated. =
 The
+next packet sent by the endpoint will then use the new keys.
+
+An endpoint doesn't always need to send packets when it detects that=
 its peer
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-An endpoint doesn't always need to send packe=
ts when it detects that its peer
+An endpoint does not always need to send packets when it detects that it=
s peer

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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> -keys.  If an endpoint detects a second up=
date before it has sent any packets
-with updated keys it indicates that its peer has updated keys twice with=
out
-awaiting a reciprocal update.  An endpoint MUST treat consecutive key up=
dates as
-a fatal error and abort the connection.
+the corresponding read key and IV.  This uses the same variation on HKDF=
 as
+defined in {{protection-keys}}; that is, the prefix "quic " is=
 used in place of
+"tls13 ".
+
+If the packet can be decrypted and authenticated using the updated key a=
nd IV,
+then the keys the endpoint uses for packet protection are also updated. =
 The
+next packet sent by the endpoint will then use the new keys.
+
+An endpoint doesn't always need to send packets when it detects that=
 its peer
+has updated keys.  The next packet that it sends will simply use the new=
 keys.
+If an endpoint detects a second update before it has sent any packets wi=
th
+updated keys it indicates that its peer has updated keys twice without a=
waiting
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-updated keys it indicates that its peer has u=
pdated keys twice without awaiting
+updated keys, it indicates that its peer has updated keys twice without =
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----==_mimepart_5bcfb2109363a_2a373fafc18d45b8796b0-- From nobody Tue Oct 23 16:43:34 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEE52130E48 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 16:43:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.499 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.499 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2I9rOesGdNNp for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 16:43:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m71-131.mailgun.net (m71-131.mailgun.net [166.78.71.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7AF13128CB7 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 16:43:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1540338211; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=jNSdGa9KPWp4bTOsf+zcAKDrIPmiTEfYCo5bny58KYY=; b=jyt4b3gCUcHZPhkp2eZlSP5P0H8wapAQYuuut9HhbYRiPrL3w+8MqT0WHsS1wsES40qz1ufK +izBJasvdLrdSU94eiso3v6Yn4fMFO1dXqWmjd8AbqLPdjahXdJSU5Xxe5Vcz8h+P8+uy2p1 bvMw2PuAbIRCWpyTaTaTFOcizRQ= X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.71.131 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.36]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 5bcfb223.7efc387b0ba0-smtp-out-n02; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 23:43:31 -0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 16:43:31 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5bcfb2231ba00_1b142b12fb44458817130@hookshot-fe-6b2eebc.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 7ad0b1: The "quic " label is used for key update Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bcfb2231b621_1b142b12fb444588170e6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 23:43:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bcfb2231b621_1b142b12fb444588170e6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 7ad0b15419b216453fc67fc2749aabdeeeff097c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7ad0b15419b216453fc67fc2749aabdeeeff097c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-24 (Wed, 24 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- The "quic " label is used for key update Closes #1845. Commit: 6489433b169879e9c573aa8d680e4e99e9e3b897 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6489433b169879e9c573aa8d680e4e99e9e3b897 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-24 (Wed, 24 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Use 'it' less Commit: e5eee0baa74b8ee840eb66d3fe2dd3cfe25b39f3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e5eee0baa74b8ee840eb66d3fe2dd3cfe25b39f3 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-24 (Wed, 24 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Use unexpected_message for KeyUpdate Closes #1833. Commit: 76b70fd0135e025833d30e700affd2096b6a1416 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/76b70fd0135e025833d30e700affd2096b6a1416 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-10-24 (Wed, 24 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- does not Co-Authored-By: martinthomson Commit: 24ac0f076890955eec6d1f7edef859dbed28460d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/24ac0f076890955eec6d1f7edef859dbed28460d Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-10-24 (Wed, 24 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- glom together Co-Authored-By: martinthomson Commit: fa1d40cbb9333fa163821630ac6b120338a434ee https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fa1d40cbb9333fa163821630ac6b120338a434ee Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-10-24 (Wed, 24 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- does not Co-Authored-By: martinthomson Commit: a5c5af3e59cb75aa37719c0d6632adfd3f618c35 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a5c5af3e59cb75aa37719c0d6632adfd3f618c35 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-10-24 (Wed, 24 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- comma Co-Authored-By: martinthomson Commit: ef94369b0a6c91b35361090e564e318cdf1691b6 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ef94369b0a6c91b35361090e564e318cdf1691b6 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-24 (Wed, 24 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1899 from quicwg/quic-key-update The "quic " label is used for key update Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/c9fc19d2dafa...ef94369b0a6c **NOTE:** This service has been marked for deprecation: https://developer.github.com/changes/2018-04-25-github-services-deprecation/ Functionality will be removed from GitHub.com on January 31st, 2019. ----==_mimepart_5bcfb2231b621_1b142b12fb444588170e6-- From nobody Tue Oct 23 16:43:41 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 595E4130E72 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 16:43:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dQoJ-KwU0bcK for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 16:43:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 05F2F128CB7 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 16:43:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 16:43:33 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1540338213; bh=iD4Dn1UEBHEeJTtwrHZs16dCHwi438vVRgGx5nhUjuw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=eF0fa7yMwkoGPBOZP3SAQ8zLNRclgA3nrZGleALeM1dWmc+pcidEHLSe0dCcGQYBF pbV3Hmuhh2SgaW1tOhf+og7eAsWux5cGhCHGNl7JDibIQckSDX2H8uzJJZ/kNp681P y6wx64GZRJ+mvF0st6If0ZbHWZmhnwH7haUx8GAo= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Should the key update expansion use "quic " or "tls13 "? 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2251,6 +2242,13 @@ the application req=
uests that the connection be closed.  The application
 protocol can use an APPLICATION_CLOSE message with an appropriate error =
code to
 signal closure.
 =

+If the connection has been successfully established, endpoints MUST send=
 any
+closing frames in a 1-RTT packet.  Prior to connection establishment, en=
dpoints
+SHOULD send closing frames in a Handshake packet if possible.  An endpoi=
nt MAY
+send closing frames in an Initial packet.  Closing frames might be repli=
cated
+into packets at different encryption levels, which can then be coalesced=
 (see
+{{packet-coalesce}} to facilitate retransmission.
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-{{packet-coalesce}} to facilitate retransmiss=
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It mis... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bcfb3cea6913_4ae32aba2f53c57856d2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2018 00:00:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bcfb3cea6913_4ae32aba2f53c57856d2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 9138fd991036a0af2c1593ef96d75ad8ed9be07b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9138fd991036a0af2c1593ef96d75ad8ed9be07b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-22 (Mon, 22 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- I decided to reword this after reading it. It missed a few key things. I think that the second piece to #1786, which was to make allowances for fatal errors arising from Initial packets won't be necessary. I'm happy to see a PR, of course, but the sentiment I've heard expressed is that it is very hard to manage this, and the spec wouldn't expressly prevent someone from trying to build a system that was resilient to maliciously-crafted Initial packets, but we wouldn't take steps in this document to deal with that. As previously agreed, if you are attacked and the attacker was able to modify Initial packets, then they can deny you the ability to connect. Closes #1818, #1786. Commit: f94c3957f232fc644d6bcf1d83b0ea8745034d69 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f94c3957f232fc644d6bcf1d83b0ea8745034d69 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-22 (Mon, 22 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Be less cagey Commit: 8c2aaa3650e5cd214df3171c9b94b3aa4d4f2f2b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8c2aaa3650e5cd214df3171c9b94b3aa4d4f2f2b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-22 (Mon, 22 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove #1818 changes as duplicates Commit: 86445c929cbc57ad010aeab7a717009d60152002 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/86445c929cbc57ad010aeab7a717009d60152002 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-24 (Wed, 24 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Ian's suggestion Commit: 6742d4fce98eb81fc6b9913b5a9992af0e236e2d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6742d4fce98eb81fc6b9913b5a9992af0e236e2d Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-24 (Wed, 24 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' into how-to-protect-close Commit: d513b05d9f3efb1442fae4e9ab0476fc9cdeaec7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d513b05d9f3efb1442fae4e9ab0476fc9cdeaec7 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-24 (Wed, 24 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reword some with explanations Commit: 0169c8952a2f2e998e57ed8c98edcab7c726abe7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0169c8952a2f2e998e57ed8c98edcab7c726abe7 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-24 (Wed, 24 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- reword Commit: 3ed3fa062a27a96bb3f2319a69732cc795ea282d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3ed3fa062a27a96bb3f2319a69732cc795ea282d Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-10-24 (Wed, 24 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1890 from quicwg/how-to-protect-close Specify the packets that carry closing frames Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/ef94369b0a6c...3ed3fa062a27 **NOTE:** This service has been marked for deprecation: https://developer.github.com/changes/2018-04-25-github-services-deprecation/ Functionality will be removed from GitHub.com on January 31st, 2019. ----==_mimepart_5bcfb3cea6913_4ae32aba2f53c57856d2-- From nobody Tue Oct 23 17:02:05 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9633A130EA7 for ; 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This limit exists to mitigate amplification attacks. +a NEW_TOKEN frame), by processing any message from the client encrypted using +the Handshake keys, or by processing a TLS ClientHello with a valid +pre-shared key. This limit exists to mitigate amplification attacks. That isn't right either. Willingness to complete the handshake is a decision the server makes, and it does not need to be based on a test of the liveness of the remote address. It's possible that TLS resumption (0-RTT or not) could bundle a token in the session ticket that allows for address validation, as we used to do. But we no longer require that to happen. A server can accept 0-RTT from an unvalidated client address. The amount that you can send is limited, but it's not unreasonable. The server doesn't need to send a certificate, so it can probably send some responses. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  verified through an address validation token (delivered via a Retry packet or
-a NEW_TOKEN frame) or by processing any message from the client encrypted using
-the Handshake keys.  This limit exists to mitigate amplification attacks.
+a NEW_TOKEN frame), by processing any message from the client encrypted using
+the Handshake keys, or by processing a TLS ClientHello with a valid
+pre-shared key.  This limit exists to mitigate amplification attacks.

That isn't right either. Willingness to complete the handshake is a decision the server makes, and it does not need to be based on a test of the liveness of the remote address.

It's possible that TLS resumption (0-RTT or not) could bundle a token in the session ticket that allows for address validation, as we used to do. But we no longer require that to happen.

A server can accept 0-RTT from an unvalidated client address. The amount that you can send is limited, but it's not unreasonable. The server doesn't need to send a certificate, so it can probably send some responses.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  verified through an address validation token (delivered via a Retry packet or
-a NEW_TOKEN frame) or by processing any message from the client encrypted using
-the Handshake keys.  This limit exists to mitigate amplification attacks.
+a NEW_TOKEN frame), by processing any message from the client encrypted using
+the Handshake keys, or by processing a TLS ClientHello with a valid
+pre-shared key.  This limit exists to mitigate amplification attacks.

Given this is in the validation section, why not remove this entire sentence?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1194,13 +1194,14 @@ server then needs to validate that the client owns the address that it claims.
 QUIC therefore performs source address validation during connection
 establishment.
 
-Servers MUST NOT send more than three times as many bytes as the number of bytes
-received prior to verifying the client's address.  Source addresses can be
+Prior to verifying the client's address, servers MUST NOT send more than three

Q: Is this actually less awkward? It's ok, but seems neutral to me. Both sentences are a bit odd.

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In such an attack, a packet is sent to a server with +spoofed source address information that identifies a victim. If a server +generates more or larger packets in response to that packet, the attacker can +use the server to send more data toward the victim than it would be able to send +on its own. + +The primary defense against amplification attack is verifying that an endpoint +is able to receive packets at the transport address that it claims. Address +validation is performed both during connection establishment (see +{{validate-new}}) and during connection migration (see {{migrate-validate}}). In 7dc45966 -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1886#discussion_r227635358 ----==_mimepart_5bcfed1d8306a_438a3ff9364d45bc59816 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1656,34 +1496,193 @@ One way that a new format could be introduced is to define a TLS extension with
 a different codepoint.
 
 
-## Stateless Retries {#stateless-retry}
-<!-- TODO: Move this section elsewhere. -->
+# Address Validation
+
+Address validation is used by QUIC to avoid being used for a traffic
+amplification attack.  In such an attack, a packet is sent to a server with
+spoofed source address information that identifies a victim.  If a server
+generates more or larger packets in response to that packet, the attacker can
+use the server to send more data toward the victim than it would be able to send
+on its own.
+
+The primary defense against amplification attack is verifying that an endpoint
+is able to receive packets at the transport address that it claims.  Address
+validation is performed both during connection establishment (see
+{{validate-new}}) and during connection migration (see {{migrate-validate}}).

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There is a technical change here. APPLICATION_CLOSE wasn't permitted in Initial packets. Here it would be allowed. I don't think that's a problem though. Closes #1881. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1900 -- Commit Summary -- * Merge APPLICATION_CLOSE description with CONNECTION_CLOSE * TLS-related changes * HTTP-related changes * Allow APPLICATION_CLOSE in Initial packets because why not -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (11) M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (3) M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (208) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1900.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1900.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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This turned out to be not awesome for the HTTP draft, so I'm looking for input on how I might resolve the user-interface issues.

There is a technical change here. APPLICATION_CLOSE wasn't permitted in Initial packets. Here it would be allowed. I don't think that's a problem though.

Closes #1881.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1900

Commit Summary

  • Merge APPLICATION_CLOSE description with CONNECTION_CLOSE
  • TLS-related changes
  • HTTP-related changes
  • Allow APPLICATION_CLOSE in Initial packets because why not

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This introduces the design that proposed by ekr prior to the NY interim.
In this design, the client advertises the list of versions it supports
in its transport parameters. The server is permitted to select a
"compatible" version and proceed as though the client selected that
version.

The main advantage of this approach is seamless upgrade between
compatible versions without the extra round-trip imposed by Version
Negotiation. This will be especially useful when we move from
pre-release versions (0xff0000xx) to the final version.

Closes #1773, #1755.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1901

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----==_mimepart_5bd01d00e321d_59993ff0d8ed45b410617f-- From nobody Wed Oct 24 00:47:57 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 636F1130F00 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 00:47:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mlPjxXiQN-cW for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 00:47:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 27F3E130EC5 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 00:47:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2018 00:47:44 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1540367264; bh=Ezp+0VumrJa7OVgykvEvJ/K4X+mFdLyveJy7nb4WSuc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=zcUgGaf1QnL7dOHqlTPgAcsuv8uYZbC2AQG8XbRVzFAEAc54Amwhb+XjRLO5dB36D qjAphemuv65C0axNIQ7HGXh/wHchESrlSIrYjcJRwxJ5SDMIQCqc4wz7fgXlFTzZr4 ndNgSseieWd/EzlWpU71Q3rGyGQjPHtoGEaakq9I= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] One close frames (#1900) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bd023a01d553_546b3fbc4bed45bc822fd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2018 07:47:54 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bd023a01d553_546b3fbc4bed45bc822fd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mikkelfj commented on this pull request. > @@ -1268,8 +1268,9 @@ express the cause of a connection or stream error. ## HTTP/QUIC Error Codes {#http-error-codes} -The following error codes are defined for use in QUIC RST_STREAM, STOP_SENDING, -and APPLICATION_CLOSE frames when using HTTP/QUIC. +The following error codes are defined for use in QUIC RST_STREAM frames, +STOP_SENDING frames, and CONNECTION_CLOSE frames with a type of 0x03 when using +HTTP/QUIC. I like the idea of a single close frame, but if it is necessary to refer to frame sub-type by numerical value, I think the idea has gone too far. > @@ -2133,25 +2133,25 @@ These states SHOULD persist for three times the current Retransmission Timeout An endpoint enters a closing period after initiating an immediate close ({{immediate-close}}). While closing, an endpoint MUST NOT send packets unless -they contain a CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame (see -{{immediate-close}} for details). An endpoint retains only enough information -to generate a packet containing a closing frame and to identify packets as -belonging to the connection. The connection ID and QUIC version is sufficient -information to identify packets for a closing connection; an endpoint can -discard all other connection state. An endpoint MAY retain packet protection -keys for incoming packets to allow it to read and process a closing frame. +they contain a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame (see {{immediate-close}} for details). An +endpoint retains only enough information to generate a packet containing a +CONNECTION_CLOSE frame and to identify packets as belonging to the connection. +The connection ID and QUIC version is sufficient information to identify packets +for a closing connection; an endpoint can discard all other connection state. +An endpoint MAY retain packet protection keys for incoming packets to allow it +to read and process a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame. This is outside the semantic changes of the PR, but I wonder if connection close retransmission could suffer from lack of address validation. Amplification attacks would only be an issue if the close packet is large. One could imagine a valid connection triggering a large close packet that is not acknowledged followed by a spoofed packets that redirects retransmission. I don't think this is practical, but perhaps some clarification on the subject would be helpful. For example recommending sending small close packets if not verified. > @@ -2228,28 +2230,28 @@ Note: control, which are not expected to be relevant for a closed connection. Retransmitting the final packet requires less state. -After receiving a closing frame, endpoints enter the draining state. An -endpoint that receives a closing frame MAY send a single packet containing a -closing frame before entering the draining state, using a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame -and a NO_ERROR code if appropriate. An endpoint MUST NOT send further packets, -which could result in a constant exchange of closing frames until the closing -period on either peer ended. +After receiving a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, endpoints enter the draining state. +An endpoint that receives a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame MAY send a single packet +containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame before entering the draining state, using a +CONNECTION_CLOSE frame and a NO_ERROR code if appropriate. An endpoint MUST NOT +send further packets, which could result in a constant exchange of +CONNECTION_CLOSE frames until the closing period on either peer ended. "An endpoint MUST NOT send further packets ...". Does that mean only the endpoint receiving the initial CLOSE frame, or both endpoints. In the latter case close retransmission is not possible, but that is inconsistent with other text. > @@ -4055,9 +4053,11 @@ Final Offset: ## CONNECTION_CLOSE frame {#frame-connection-close} -An endpoint sends a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame (type=0x02) to notify its peer that -the connection is being closed. CONNECTION_CLOSE is used to signal errors at -the QUIC layer, or the absence of errors (with the NO_ERROR code). +An endpoint sends a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame (type=0x02 or 0x03) to notify its +peer that the connection is being closed. The CONNECTION_CLOSE with a frame +type of 0x02 is used to signal errors at the QUIC layer, or the absence of +errors (with the NO_ERROR code). The CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with a type of 0x03 +is used to signal an error with the protocol that uses QUIC. I suggest defing a subtype name such as "a CONNECTION_CLOSE of subtype TRANSPORT_CLOSE (0x02) or APPLICATION_CLOSE (0x03)". See my comment on http draft on using explicit frame code 0x03. 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@mikkelfj commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1268,8 +1268,9 @@ express the cause of a connection or stream error.
 
 ## HTTP/QUIC Error Codes {#http-error-codes}
 
-The following error codes are defined for use in QUIC RST_STREAM, STOP_SENDING,
-and APPLICATION_CLOSE frames when using HTTP/QUIC.
+The following error codes are defined for use in QUIC RST_STREAM frames,
+STOP_SENDING frames, and CONNECTION_CLOSE frames with a type of 0x03 when using
+HTTP/QUIC.

I like the idea of a single close frame, but if it is necessary to refer to frame sub-type by numerical value, I think the idea has gone too far.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2133,25 +2133,25 @@ These states SHOULD persist for three times the current Retransmission Timeout
 
 An endpoint enters a closing period after initiating an immediate close
 ({{immediate-close}}).  While closing, an endpoint MUST NOT send packets unless
-they contain a CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame (see
-{{immediate-close}} for details).  An endpoint retains only enough information
-to generate a packet containing a closing frame and to identify packets as
-belonging to the connection.  The connection ID and QUIC version is sufficient
-information to identify packets for a closing connection; an endpoint can
-discard all other connection state.  An endpoint MAY retain packet protection
-keys for incoming packets to allow it to read and process a closing frame.
+they contain a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame (see {{immediate-close}} for details).  An
+endpoint retains only enough information to generate a packet containing a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE frame and to identify packets as belonging to the connection.
+The connection ID and QUIC version is sufficient information to identify packets
+for a closing connection; an endpoint can discard all other connection state.
+An endpoint MAY retain packet protection keys for incoming packets to allow it
+to read and process a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.

This is outside the semantic changes of the PR, but I wonder if connection close retransmission could suffer from lack of address validation. Amplification attacks would only be an issue if the close packet is large. One could imagine a valid connection triggering a large close packet that is not acknowledged followed by a spoofed packets that redirects retransmission. I don't think this is practical, but perhaps some clarification on the subject would be helpful. For example recommending sending small close packets if not verified.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2228,28 +2230,28 @@ Note:
   control, which are not expected to be relevant for a closed connection.
   Retransmitting the final packet requires less state.
 
-After receiving a closing frame, endpoints enter the draining state.  An
-endpoint that receives a closing frame MAY send a single packet containing a
-closing frame before entering the draining state, using a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame
-and a NO_ERROR code if appropriate.  An endpoint MUST NOT send further packets,
-which could result in a constant exchange of closing frames until the closing
-period on either peer ended.
+After receiving a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, endpoints enter the draining state.
+An endpoint that receives a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame MAY send a single packet
+containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame before entering the draining state, using a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE frame and a NO_ERROR code if appropriate.  An endpoint MUST NOT
+send further packets, which could result in a constant exchange of
+CONNECTION_CLOSE frames until the closing period on either peer ended.

"An endpoint MUST NOT send further packets ...". Does that mean only the endpoint receiving the initial CLOSE frame, or both endpoints. In the latter case close retransmission is not possible, but that is inconsistent with other text.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4055,9 +4053,11 @@ Final Offset:
 
 ## CONNECTION_CLOSE frame {#frame-connection-close}
 
-An endpoint sends a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame (type=0x02) to notify its peer that
-the connection is being closed.  CONNECTION_CLOSE is used to signal errors at
-the QUIC layer, or the absence of errors (with the NO_ERROR code).
+An endpoint sends a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame (type=0x02 or 0x03) to notify its
+peer that the connection is being closed.  The CONNECTION_CLOSE with a frame
+type of 0x02 is used to signal errors at the QUIC layer, or the absence of
+errors (with the NO_ERROR code).  The CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with a type of 0x03
+is used to signal an error with the protocol that uses QUIC.

I suggest defing a subtype name such as "a CONNECTION_CLOSE of subtype TRANSPORT_CLOSE (0x02) or APPLICATION_CLOSE (0x03)". See my comment on http draft on using explicit frame code 0x03. This makes it difficult for external documents to discuss QUIC, especially across versions where the code might change but the semantics remain.

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----==_mimepart_5bd023a01d553_546b3fbc4bed45bc822fd-- From nobody Wed Oct 24 01:13:24 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6122A130E68 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 01:13:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z4IkBQOuHPPP for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 01:13:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BDFD0130E03 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 01:13:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=OtrwI72iIAyn41Q/lh/UEJ1EXpY=; b=CGtgA7B40R0u7Djw Wyz/3BCg2Mq3FFksBCIxyxkgNjLGSvoTQh+KGWo7odPQg0s6igjzR2YagtScZgj4 RdVN8LkXOtPBP8uQiJ63PSRGcenVe6gLOygU2VcytvYBnG5p18plDYIfC95Qbzxb NmkzuVl5lY/HHe22orNL4M7x6gc= Received: by filter0160p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0160p1iad2-18908-5BD0299F-D 2018-10-24 08:13:19.351190499 +0000 UTC m=+451605.690897027 Received: from github-lowworker-fc273f0.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.33]) by ismtpd0025p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id kmPFkODAR6Ka8WS31XEDkg for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 08:13:19.355 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-fc273f0.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AA5CC097D for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 01:13:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2018 08:13:19 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Dangling references after reorg (#1902) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bd0299f592c8_ffa3ff8428d45bc294367"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0bYtVRypbVJTuP4VzNDQYci4Vx+FV4kLHOTd wye1IaqWgjSktQlImKGSSHzm/e8W6dB8ilAtn83kDU4qLJRfl9hbxqw1EMUgbOx9+MLs+4+cG7WaP1 /Z0pZ6P0QN6qFJKt5K4IxfOEHpjvjA5bbdWKWr+bZDhEasAuF92UXuauXF32UsROnGxBB0N7W7cuJR 8= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2018 08:13:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bd0299f592c8_ffa3ff8428d45bc294367 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ``` > WARNING: apparently dangling reference to 6.5 of QUIC-TRANSPORT > WARNING: apparently dangling reference to 6.5 of QUIC-TRANSPORT > WARNING: apparently dangling reference to 4.11 of QUIC-TRANSPORT > WARNING: apparently dangling reference to 4.11 of QUIC-TRANSPORT > WARNING: apparently dangling reference to 4.7 of QUIC-TRANSPORT ``` There are probably more than these that point to the wrong section now as well. Time to do a full audit. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1902 ----==_mimepart_5bd0299f592c8_ffa3ff8428d45bc294367 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 
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@mikkelfj commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +A QUIC version is compatible with this version if the cryptographic handshake
+message sent in the first packet can be used in both versions.  A compatible
+version is also able to identifying and acknowledge the first packet sent by the
+client in some fashion.  Other QUIC versions might have different constraints in
+determining what is compatible.  In order to facilitate this process, new QUIC
+versions could define a process for transforming the first packet from other
+compatible versions into the equivalent packet in the new version.
+
+Upgrading in this manner allows a server to upgrade without incurring the round
+trip imposed by sending a Version Negotiation packet.  It also allows clients to
+send their first packet using a widely deployed version, without the risk of
+having to use that version with servers that supports a more-preferred version.
+
+A server MUST NOT send a Version Negotiation packet if it prefers a version that
+is not compatible with the version the client initially chose; a server has to
+allow the client to choose between versions that are not compatible.

What if the client wants to use a specific other version if possible, but it does not want to do it in-flight within the current connection, for example to keep the client simple? It cannot omit that version from TP because then the current version will continue. It cannot include that version in TP because then it might get in-flight version change.

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This includes overheads that reduce t= he space -available to the cryptographic handshake protocol. +2. The first message MUST include the transport parameters chosen by the= client. + This enables upgrade to a compatible version (see {{version-upgrade}}= ). + +3. The first message MUST fit within a 1232 octet QUIC packet payload. = This Isn=E2=80=99t this already implied by 1.? > -with a VERSION_NEGOTIATION_ERROR error code if version negotiation occ= urred but -it would have selected a different version based on the value of the -supported_versions list. - -When an endpoint accepts multiple QUIC versions, it can potentially inte= rpret -transport parameters as they are defined by any of the QUIC versions it -supports. The version field in the QUIC packet header is authenticated = using -transport parameters. The position and the format of the version fields= in -transport parameters MUST either be identical across different QUIC vers= ions, or -be unambiguously different to ensure no confusion about their interpreta= tion. -One way that a new format could be introduced is to define a TLS extensi= on with -a different codepoint. +is sent by an attacker. + +To protect against these attacks, the transport parameters includes the = complete +list of versions that a client is willing to use, with the version they = used for s/they/it > -transport parameters. The position and the format of the version fiel= ds in -transport parameters MUST either be identical across different QUIC vers= ions, or -be unambiguously different to ensure no confusion about their interpreta= tion. -One way that a new format could be introduced is to define a TLS extensi= on with -a different codepoint. +is sent by an attacker. + +To protect against these attacks, the transport parameters includes the = complete +list of versions that a client is willing to use, with the version they = used for +sending the first packet in the first entry. Including this information= in the +cryptographic handshake provides it with integrity protection, and allow= s the +server to detect version downgrade attacks. + +The client MUST include the first QUIC version it attempts to use as the= first +entry of the supported_versions list in the transport parameters. A ser= ver MUST +close the connection attempt with a VERSION_NEGOTIATION_ERROR if it supp= orts the This sentence has some leftover parts, I assume. > +The client MUST include the first QUIC version it attempts to use as t= he first +entry of the supported_versions list in the transport parameters. A ser= ver MUST +close the connection attempt with a VERSION_NEGOTIATION_ERROR if it supp= orts the +first entry in the list it receives is supported and does not match the = version +of the QUIC packet. The server MAY choose to upgrade to a compatible ve= rsion, +as defined in {{version-upgrade}}. + +Different QUIC versions might define transport parameters, or their equi= valent, +using a different format. However, the version field in the QUIC packet= header +is authenticated using transport parameters. The position and the forma= t of the +version fields in transport parameters therefore MUST either be identica= l across +different QUIC versions, or be unambiguously different to ensure no conf= usion +about their interpretation. One way that a new format could be introduc= ed is to +define a TLS extension with a different codepoint. + +Transport parmeters for QUIC versions that are compatible with this QUIC= version Parameters. = > + +## Compatible Version Upgrade {#version-upgrade} + +The first packet sent by a client uses a QUIC version selected by the cl= ient. +In this version of QUIC, this packet also includes transport parameters.= Those +transport parameters include a list of QUIC versions the client supports= . + +A server that understands the version selected by the client can extract= the +list of QUIC versions and select an alternative version from the list of= +supported versions. A server MAY choose a compatible version from that = list and +continue the handshake with that version. The server sends its first pa= cket as +though it was continuing with the version it selects. + +A QUIC version is compatible with this version if the cryptographic hand= shake +message sent in the first packet can be used in both versions. A compat= ible +version is also able to identifying and acknowledge the first packet sen= t by the s/identifying/identify > +list of QUIC versions and select an alternative version from the list = of +supported versions. A server MAY choose a compatible version from that = list and +continue the handshake with that version. The server sends its first pa= cket as +though it was continuing with the version it selects. + +A QUIC version is compatible with this version if the cryptographic hand= shake +message sent in the first packet can be used in both versions. A compat= ible +version is also able to identifying and acknowledge the first packet sen= t by the +client in some fashion. Other QUIC versions might have different constr= aints in +determining what is compatible. In order to facilitate this process, ne= w QUIC +versions could define a process for transforming the first packet from o= ther +compatible versions into the equivalent packet in the new version. + +Upgrading in this manner allows a server to upgrade without incurring th= e round +trip imposed by sending a Version Negotiation packet. It also allows cl= ients to +send their first packet using a widely deployed version, without the ris= k of There=E2=80=99s no incentive to use a widely deployed version any more. A= client can use the highest (compatible) version, and the server would ju= st downgrade it to the highest version it supports. = > +A QUIC version is compatible with this version if the cryptographic ha= ndshake +message sent in the first packet can be used in both versions. A compat= ible +version is also able to identifying and acknowledge the first packet sen= t by the +client in some fashion. Other QUIC versions might have different constr= aints in +determining what is compatible. In order to facilitate this process, ne= w QUIC +versions could define a process for transforming the first packet from o= ther +compatible versions into the equivalent packet in the new version. + +Upgrading in this manner allows a server to upgrade without incurring th= e round +trip imposed by sending a Version Negotiation packet. It also allows cl= ients to +send their first packet using a widely deployed version, without the ris= k of +having to use that version with servers that supports a more-preferred v= ersion. + +A server MUST NOT send a Version Negotiation packet if it prefers a vers= ion that +is not compatible with the version the client initially chose; a server = has to +allow the client to choose between versions that are not compatible. Do we need some text what a client is supposed to do when it receives a V= NP that includes a compatible version to the one it initially selected? > = QUIC includes the encoded transport parameters in the cryptographic hand= shake. Once the handshake completes, the transport parameters declared by the p= eer are -available. Each endpoint validates the value provided by its peer. In -particular, version negotiation MUST be validated (see {{version-validat= ion}}) -before the connection establishment is considered properly complete. +available. Each endpoint validates the value provided by its peer. Suc= cessful +validation of transport parameters MUST be completed before a connection= is +considered successfully established. + +A client also includes a list of supported versions along with its trans= port +parameters. Transport parameters are carried in the first packet the cl= ient +sends. Sending the list of supported versions enables upgrade between s/upgrade/upgrades -- = You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1901#pullrequestreview-1677813= 10= ----==_mimepart_5bd02f2bdbda9_78573fc7d6ed45bc2377cb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@marten-seemann commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

-The first client packet of the cryptographic handshake protocol MUST fit=
 within
-a 1232 octet QUIC packet payload.  This includes overheads that reduce t=
he space
-available to the cryptographic handshake protocol.
+2. The first message MUST include the transport parameters chosen by the=
 client.
+   This enables upgrade to a compatible version (see {{version-upgrade}}=
).
+
+3. The first message MUST fit within a 1232 octet QUIC packet payload.  =
This

Isn=E2=80=99t this already implied by 1.?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -with a VERSION_NEGOTIATION_ERROR error co=
de if version negotiation occurred but
-it would have selected a different version based on the value of the
-supported_versions list.
-
-When an endpoint accepts multiple QUIC versions, it can potentially inte=
rpret
-transport parameters as they are defined by any of the QUIC versions it
-supports.  The version field in the QUIC packet header is authenticated =
using
-transport parameters.  The position and the format of the version fields=
 in
-transport parameters MUST either be identical across different QUIC vers=
ions, or
-be unambiguously different to ensure no confusion about their interpreta=
tion.
-One way that a new format could be introduced is to define a TLS extensi=
on with
-a different codepoint.
+is sent by an attacker.
+
+To protect against these attacks, the transport parameters includes the =
complete
+list of versions that a client is willing to use, with the version they =
used for

s/they/it

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -transport parameters.  The position and t=
he format of the version fields in
-transport parameters MUST either be identical across different QUIC vers=
ions, or
-be unambiguously different to ensure no confusion about their interpreta=
tion.
-One way that a new format could be introduced is to define a TLS extensi=
on with
-a different codepoint.
+is sent by an attacker.
+
+To protect against these attacks, the transport parameters includes the =
complete
+list of versions that a client is willing to use, with the version they =
used for
+sending the first packet in the first entry.  Including this information=
 in the
+cryptographic handshake provides it with integrity protection, and allow=
s the
+server to detect version downgrade attacks.
+
+The client MUST include the first QUIC version it attempts to use as the=
 first
+entry of the supported_versions list in the transport parameters.  A ser=
ver MUST
+close the connection attempt with a VERSION_NEGOTIATION_ERROR if it supp=
orts the

This sentence has some leftover parts, I assume.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +The client MUST include the first QUIC ve=
rsion it attempts to use as the first
+entry of the supported_versions list in the transport parameters.  A ser=
ver MUST
+close the connection attempt with a VERSION_NEGOTIATION_ERROR if it supp=
orts the
+first entry in the list it receives is supported and does not match the =
version
+of the QUIC packet.  The server MAY choose to upgrade to a compatible ve=
rsion,
+as defined in {{version-upgrade}}.
+
+Different QUIC versions might define transport parameters, or their equi=
valent,
+using a different format.  However, the version field in the QUIC packet=
 header
+is authenticated using transport parameters.  The position and the forma=
t of the
+version fields in transport parameters therefore MUST either be identica=
l across
+different QUIC versions, or be unambiguously different to ensure no conf=
usion
+about their interpretation.  One way that a new format could be introduc=
ed is to
+define a TLS extension with a different codepoint.
+
+Transport parmeters for QUIC versions that are compatible with this QUIC=
 version

Parameters.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+## Compatible Version Upgrade {#version-upgrade}
+
+The first packet sent by a client uses a QUIC version selected by the cl=
ient.
+In this version of QUIC, this packet also includes transport parameters.=
  Those
+transport parameters include a list of QUIC versions the client supports=
.
+
+A server that understands the version selected by the client can extract=
 the
+list of QUIC versions and select an alternative version from the list of=

+supported versions.  A server MAY choose a compatible version from that =
list and
+continue the handshake with that version.  The server sends its first pa=
cket as
+though it was continuing with the version it selects.
+
+A QUIC version is compatible with this version if the cryptographic hand=
shake
+message sent in the first packet can be used in both versions.  A compat=
ible
+version is also able to identifying and acknowledge the first packet sen=
t by the

s/identifying/identify

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +list of QUIC versions and select an alter=
native version from the list of
+supported versions.  A server MAY choose a compatible version from that =
list and
+continue the handshake with that version.  The server sends its first pa=
cket as
+though it was continuing with the version it selects.
+
+A QUIC version is compatible with this version if the cryptographic hand=
shake
+message sent in the first packet can be used in both versions.  A compat=
ible
+version is also able to identifying and acknowledge the first packet sen=
t by the
+client in some fashion.  Other QUIC versions might have different constr=
aints in
+determining what is compatible.  In order to facilitate this process, ne=
w QUIC
+versions could define a process for transforming the first packet from o=
ther
+compatible versions into the equivalent packet in the new version.
+
+Upgrading in this manner allows a server to upgrade without incurring th=
e round
+trip imposed by sending a Version Negotiation packet.  It also allows cl=
ients to
+send their first packet using a widely deployed version, without the ris=
k of

There=E2=80=99s no incentive to use a widely deployed version any more= . A client can use the highest (compatible) version, and the server would= just downgrade it to the highest version it supports.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +A QUIC version is compatible with this ve=
rsion if the cryptographic handshake
+message sent in the first packet can be used in both versions.  A compat=
ible
+version is also able to identifying and acknowledge the first packet sen=
t by the
+client in some fashion.  Other QUIC versions might have different constr=
aints in
+determining what is compatible.  In order to facilitate this process, ne=
w QUIC
+versions could define a process for transforming the first packet from o=
ther
+compatible versions into the equivalent packet in the new version.
+
+Upgrading in this manner allows a server to upgrade without incurring th=
e round
+trip imposed by sending a Version Negotiation packet.  It also allows cl=
ients to
+send their first packet using a widely deployed version, without the ris=
k of
+having to use that version with servers that supports a more-preferred v=
ersion.
+
+A server MUST NOT send a Version Negotiation packet if it prefers a vers=
ion that
+is not compatible with the version the client initially chose; a server =
has to
+allow the client to choose between versions that are not compatible.

Do we need some text what a client is supposed to do when it receives = a VNP that includes a compatible version to the one it initially selected= ?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

 QUIC includes the encoded transport parameters in the cryptographic hand=
shake.
 Once the handshake completes, the transport parameters declared by the p=
eer are
-available.  Each endpoint validates the value provided by its peer.  In
-particular, version negotiation MUST be validated (see {{version-validat=
ion}})
-before the connection establishment is considered properly complete.
+available.  Each endpoint validates the value provided by its peer.  Suc=
cessful
+validation of transport parameters MUST be completed before a connection=
 is
+considered successfully established.
+
+A client also includes a list of supported versions along with its trans=
port
+parameters.  Transport parameters are carried in the first packet the cl=
ient
+sends.  Sending the list of supported versions enables upgrade between

s/upgrade/upgrades

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@marten-seemann commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +A QUIC version is compatible with this ve=
rsion if the cryptographic handshake
+message sent in the first packet can be used in both versions.  A compat=
ible
+version is also able to identifying and acknowledge the first packet sen=
t by the
+client in some fashion.  Other QUIC versions might have different constr=
aints in
+determining what is compatible.  In order to facilitate this process, ne=
w QUIC
+versions could define a process for transforming the first packet from o=
ther
+compatible versions into the equivalent packet in the new version.
+
+Upgrading in this manner allows a server to upgrade without incurring th=
e round
+trip imposed by sending a Version Negotiation packet.  It also allows cl=
ients to
+send their first packet using a widely deployed version, without the ris=
k of
+having to use that version with servers that supports a more-preferred v=
ersion.
+
+A server MUST NOT send a Version Negotiation packet if it prefers a vers=
ion that
+is not compatible with the version the client initially chose; a server =
has to
+allow the client to choose between versions that are not compatible.
 =

What=E2=80=99s the use case for this? I don=E2=80=99t really see the p= oint of =E2=80=9Ckeeping the client simple=E2=80=9D here, this is not one= of the complex areas of the protocol.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +A QUIC version is compatible with this version if the cryptographic handshake
+message sent in the first packet can be used in both versions.  A compatible
+version is also able to identifying and acknowledge the first packet sent by the
+client in some fashion.  Other QUIC versions might have different constraints in
+determining what is compatible.  In order to facilitate this process, new QUIC
+versions could define a process for transforming the first packet from other
+compatible versions into the equivalent packet in the new version.
+
+Upgrading in this manner allows a server to upgrade without incurring the round
+trip imposed by sending a Version Negotiation packet.  It also allows clients to
+send their first packet using a widely deployed version, without the risk of
+having to use that version with servers that supports a more-preferred version.
+
+A server MUST NOT send a Version Negotiation packet if it prefers a version that
+is not compatible with the version the client initially chose; a server has to
+allow the client to choose between versions that are not compatible.

If you implement each version as a separate binary or in a separate process. You could send on the that other version instead and hope the best, but that could result in many unnecessary version negotations if that version is not (yet) widely supported.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +list of QUIC versions and select an alternative version from the list of
+supported versions.  A server MAY choose a compatible version from that list and
+continue the handshake with that version.  The server sends its first packet as
+though it was continuing with the version it selects.
+
+A QUIC version is compatible with this version if the cryptographic handshake
+message sent in the first packet can be used in both versions.  A compatible
+version is also able to identifying and acknowledge the first packet sent by the
+client in some fashion.  Other QUIC versions might have different constraints in
+determining what is compatible.  In order to facilitate this process, new QUIC
+versions could define a process for transforming the first packet from other
+compatible versions into the equivalent packet in the new version.
+
+Upgrading in this manner allows a server to upgrade without incurring the round
+trip imposed by sending a Version Negotiation packet.  It also allows clients to
+send their first packet using a widely deployed version, without the risk of

The server might not know that there is a newer compatible version - compatible is both a spec thing and an implementation thing.

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1268,8 +1268,9 @@ express the cause of a connection or stream error.
 
 ## HTTP/QUIC Error Codes {#http-error-codes}
 
-The following error codes are defined for use in QUIC RST_STREAM, STOP_SENDING,
-and APPLICATION_CLOSE frames when using HTTP/QUIC.
+The following error codes are defined for use in QUIC RST_STREAM frames,
+STOP_SENDING frames, and CONNECTION_CLOSE frames with a type of 0x03 when using
+HTTP/QUIC.

I tend to agree, I'd remove the type reference.

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While closing, an endpoint MUST NOT send packets unless -they contain a CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame (see -{{immediate-close}} for details). An endpoint retains only enough information -to generate a packet containing a closing frame and to identify packets as -belonging to the connection. The connection ID and QUIC version is sufficient -information to identify packets for a closing connection; an endpoint can -discard all other connection state. An endpoint MAY retain packet protection -keys for incoming packets to allow it to read and process a closing frame. +they contain a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame (see {{immediate-close}} for details). An +endpoint retains only enough information to generate a packet containing a +CONNECTION_CLOSE frame and to identify packets as belonging to the connection. +The connection ID and QUIC version is sufficient information to identify packets +for a closing connection; an endpoint can discard all other connection state. +An endpoint MAY retain packet protection keys for incoming packets to allow it +to read and process a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame. I think the Immediate close text below addresses your concern? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1900#discussion_r227777001 ----==_mimepart_5bd06d3021e23_43c53fd9392d45b8121524 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2133,25 +2133,25 @@ These states SHOULD persist for three times the current Retransmission Timeout
 
 An endpoint enters a closing period after initiating an immediate close
 ({{immediate-close}}).  While closing, an endpoint MUST NOT send packets unless
-they contain a CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame (see
-{{immediate-close}} for details).  An endpoint retains only enough information
-to generate a packet containing a closing frame and to identify packets as
-belonging to the connection.  The connection ID and QUIC version is sufficient
-information to identify packets for a closing connection; an endpoint can
-discard all other connection state.  An endpoint MAY retain packet protection
-keys for incoming packets to allow it to read and process a closing frame.
+they contain a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame (see {{immediate-close}} for details).  An
+endpoint retains only enough information to generate a packet containing a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE frame and to identify packets as belonging to the connection.
+The connection ID and QUIC version is sufficient information to identify packets
+for a closing connection; an endpoint can discard all other connection state.
+An endpoint MAY retain packet protection keys for incoming packets to allow it
+to read and process a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.

I think the Immediate close text below addresses your concern?

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@mikkelfj commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2133,25 +2133,25 @@ These states SHOULD persist for three times the current Retransmission Timeout
 
 An endpoint enters a closing period after initiating an immediate close
 ({{immediate-close}}).  While closing, an endpoint MUST NOT send packets unless
-they contain a CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame (see
-{{immediate-close}} for details).  An endpoint retains only enough information
-to generate a packet containing a closing frame and to identify packets as
-belonging to the connection.  The connection ID and QUIC version is sufficient
-information to identify packets for a closing connection; an endpoint can
-discard all other connection state.  An endpoint MAY retain packet protection
-keys for incoming packets to allow it to read and process a closing frame.
+they contain a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame (see {{immediate-close}} for details).  An
+endpoint retains only enough information to generate a packet containing a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE frame and to identify packets as belonging to the connection.
+The connection ID and QUIC version is sufficient information to identify packets
+for a closing connection; an endpoint can discard all other connection state.
+An endpoint MAY retain packet protection keys for incoming packets to allow it
+to read and process a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.

Not really, though I could easily miss something:

"During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a CONNECTION_CLOSE
frame SHOULD respond to any packet that it receives with another packet
containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame. "

If this is done without verying the input packet that triggers the next close frame because it is a stateless shrink-wrapped close packet triggered by CID, there is a potential for abuse, I believe.

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----==_mimepart_5bd06e467b004_7c1b3f84b90d45bc27858a-- From nobody Wed Oct 24 06:06:26 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76962124408 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 06:06:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uW2M-d6lFEx5 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 06:06:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5304412F295 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 06:06:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=X0U7yWRSiwRUZJwhWIEUMzP2W3w=; b=DqkWapvrVB9318Rq GnDWfTZERrR1saIbQSjzi2QKR2tlH3DgPi+eZWip8JRQiniPCuqKeyKOf81DgXNp TPEaJAoc9t+D7CHbeC4CBWDDDMHQ52FXrX7KRADuYJclIpDQGH6rHmE/iXWMlhCO xi6TApjtXn0+A3dVkOnQJ9IPTjA= Received: by filter0341p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0341p1iad2-12591-5BD06E4C-2A 2018-10-24 13:06:20.687587922 +0000 UTC m=+469475.945619947 Received: from github-lowworker-e711880.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.45]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id pQ6ixK6LRfyUmKwQRac9jA for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 13:06:20.547 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-e711880.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 835CE44179E for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 06:06:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2018 13:06:21 +0000 (UTC) From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] One close frames (#1900) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bd06e4c81969_7f0a3fd363ed45c48636c5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1itlwdISeL3k/QK5QAzsTHcpRtobT7Gx3YUq GfD/BFuvQxg82FAyOKsdnvaTpAI3uRTKtMmazrCE/qfkwTzq85Za3OhdLAD2OgjUxaKrm50rN8STgc 75PW3VVordSvS+6UIzrFVBF6ioWfAbH6dA3ejqdqTZ9R7EDzl6fCfjcQfAcuyK1eY6ATyXfxldEaWW g= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2018 13:06:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bd06e4c81969_7f0a3fd363ed45c48636c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ianswett commented on this pull request. > @@ -4055,9 +4053,11 @@ Final Offset: ## CONNECTION_CLOSE frame {#frame-connection-close} -An endpoint sends a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame (type=0x02) to notify its peer that -the connection is being closed. CONNECTION_CLOSE is used to signal errors at -the QUIC layer, or the absence of errors (with the NO_ERROR code). +An endpoint sends a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame (type=0x02 or 0x03) to notify its +peer that the connection is being closed. The CONNECTION_CLOSE with a frame +type of 0x02 is used to signal errors at the QUIC layer, or the absence of +errors (with the NO_ERROR code). The CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with a type of 0x03 +is used to signal an error with the protocol that uses QUIC. I'd suggest application instead of protocol in this sentence. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1900#pullrequestreview-167895568 ----==_mimepart_5bd06e4c81969_7f0a3fd363ed45c48636c5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4055,9 +4053,11 @@ Final Offset:
 
 ## CONNECTION_CLOSE frame {#frame-connection-close}
 
-An endpoint sends a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame (type=0x02) to notify its peer that
-the connection is being closed.  CONNECTION_CLOSE is used to signal errors at
-the QUIC layer, or the absence of errors (with the NO_ERROR code).
+An endpoint sends a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame (type=0x02 or 0x03) to notify its
+peer that the connection is being closed.  The CONNECTION_CLOSE with a frame
+type of 0x02 is used to signal errors at the QUIC layer, or the absence of
+errors (with the NO_ERROR code).  The CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with a type of 0x03
+is used to signal an error with the protocol that uses QUIC.

I'd suggest application instead of protocol in this sentence.

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I think this looks good, but I'm curious to see others feedback.

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I agree with @kazuho. An application protocol built on top of QUIC shouldn't need to reference any QUIC frame types (and their code points).

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----==_mimepart_5bd070da67fee_6fd73f84b90d45bc40147b-- From nobody Wed Oct 24 08:03:41 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD804130DCB for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 08:03:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MFlwODtrxifw for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 08:03:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3494C128DFD for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 08:03:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2018 08:03:29 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1540393409; bh=DJ4EQzLkBjC7tLrg0hTJ3OQd1XWRS9sZ8xK7CGeyxNw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=eV+gDbmEDdd84uwmi1iiBNgseY0OQ9Xkj8w7qDCalX1aIlWacRlcxLbGIP3dKKqEs fiFhfbCHdiAdY+1YBsXpqtl4Uj8qe7WY7Pxg4lQTJdhG7G7wOhYazlU49AufeEDFPL WDF/5g2gZ8Qy+G6WwH3elCvcAjkGpQy5fa/cyXSA= From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] One close frames (#1900) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bd089c1bc107_21fc3ff270ad45c4614487"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2018 15:03:36 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bd089c1bc107_21fc3ff270ad45c4614487 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To be awkward, I'll point out the problem we have - there are many places where HTTP/QUIC refers to specific aspects of QUIC e.g. QUIC STREAM frame, QUIC transport parameters initial_max_stream_data_bidi_remote etc. Fixing one problem on this change here only scratches the surface of problems in the only formal application mapping we have. It might be possible to use the forms of language suggested by @kazuho but the text could up being clunky. I guess my point is either leave it or commit to fixing it consistently (and consider writing some guidance for new application mapping authors on how to discuss transport features). Broader changes should obviously be done on some other ticket. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1900#issuecomment-432695536 ----==_mimepart_5bd089c1bc107_21fc3ff270ad45c4614487 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

To be awkward, I'll point out the problem we have - there are many pla= ces where HTTP/QUIC refers to specific aspects of QUIC e.g. QUIC STREAM f= rame, QUIC transport parameters initial_max_stream_data_bidi_remote etc. = Fixing one problem on this change here only scratches the surface of prob= lems in the only formal application mapping we have.

It might be possible to use the forms of language suggested by @kaz= uho but the text could up being clunky.

I guess my point is either leave it or commit to fixing it consistentl= y (and consider writing some guidance for new application mapping authors= on how to discuss transport features). Broader changes should obviously = be done on some other ticket.

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The correct frame type value for RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID, as listed in page 63 (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-16#page-63) is 0x0d. However, in the section that describes the structure of RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID, it says 0x1b, which is conflicts with the type values for Ack Frame.

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  • Fix line length
  • Correct type value for RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frame

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1194,13 +1194,14 @@ server then needs to validate that the client owns the address that it claims.
 QUIC therefore performs source address validation during connection
 establishment.
 
-Servers MUST NOT send more than three times as many bytes as the number of bytes
-received prior to verifying the client's address.  Source addresses can be
+Prior to verifying the client's address, servers MUST NOT send more than three

"prior to verifying the client's address" could be construed as modifying "bytes received". When I remove all context for what I know about this, that's how I read the sentence. A new reader would have to reason a bit to understand what you mean, IMO.

if you're neutral I'll stick with it.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  verified through an address validation token (delivered via a Retry packet or
-a NEW_TOKEN frame) or by processing any message from the client encrypted using
-the Handshake keys.  This limit exists to mitigate amplification attacks.
+a NEW_TOKEN frame), by processing any message from the client encrypted using
+the Handshake keys, or by processing a TLS ClientHello with a valid
+pre-shared key.  This limit exists to mitigate amplification attacks.

Ah, OK, it's my fundamental misunderstanding.

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@afrind suggested that the shorter algorithm I used for largest reference decoding might be better than the one in the doc.

This is the relevant piece of the python script used to test this (which we might also consider putting in the repo).

max_entries = int(math.floor(table_size / 32))
full_range = 2 * max_entries
if wire_lr == 0:
    lr = 0
else:
    max_value = decoder_base + max_entries
    rounded = math.floor(max_value / full_range) * full_range
    lr = rounded + wire_lr - 1
    if lr > max_value and lr >= full_range:
        lr -= full_range

Here until the QPACK reorg finishes.

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@mikkelfj observes that we permit rate limiting of connection close frames, but they might be used to create an amplification attack if the closing endpoint is naive in its handling. The fix is easy - the endpoint needs to remember a validated address for its peer along with the closing packet. Packets from other remote addresses need to be dropped or only responded to if the size of the incoming packet is > 1/3 of the closing packet. In most cases, this won't change anything.

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----==_mimepart_5bd106b2d44df_5e913fb665ed45bc126751-- From nobody Wed Oct 24 16:59:36 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 447051294D0 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 16:59:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NKQ4CKeCkNoz for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 16:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 14ECE126CC7 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 16:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2018 16:59:32 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1540425572; bh=CMuDF94mjfW3j6RPcfFAZQyO4AZMzDCSLQmdp4L6pUQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=kENfC7fe0mWhu8u8Dp/RB+B9RD6v6nCnDWJFVGf9Ytv/a0LJJp0oZ06PApGSEEDG9 /Pgqy9LvgXO1X5m8k59udGId15U7i1dlHxl0NDSSjGGt2ZAqU+2sM1Bx/iNc0U8Dn0 St6oSabef61Bv79IF8/fbPIGKN0i5l4/qqgbDDdI= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] One close frames (#1900) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bd1076422d4e_69683f951dad45c0735fe"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2018 23:59:35 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bd1076422d4e_69683f951dad45c0735fe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think that Lucas is right here. We don't have a clean interface, so we rely on talking about frames rather than that interface. That's OK as long as we are clear on what we're doing in the process. That way, we avoid relying on aspects of the transport that are for internal use only. Sitting down and defining the interface (which consists primarily of the creation, use, and cancellation of streams, plus the creation and cancellation of connections) is difficult and time-consuming, and previous attempts to do that have failed. So I don't want to start down that path at this stage; it would delay things. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1900#issuecomment-432867466 ----==_mimepart_5bd1076422d4e_69683f951dad45c0735fe Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think that Lucas is right here. We don't have a clean interface, so= we rely on talking about frames rather than that interface. That's OK a= s long as we are clear on what we're doing in the process. That way, we = avoid relying on aspects of the transport that are for internal use only.=

Sitting down and defining the interface (which consists primarily of t= he creation, use, and cancellation of streams, plus the creation and canc= ellation of connections) is difficult and time-consuming, and previous at= tempts to do that have failed. So I don't want to start down that path a= t this stage; it would delay things.

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Oops, already fixed this. Thanks for the PR.

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Closed #1903.

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I've gone and messed with this section considerably. So this won't merge. I can take the SHOULD>MUST change easily, and will do that directly if you agree. The other changes seem to have been subsumed by the other changes, can you confirm that I haven't missed something important?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +list of QUIC versions and select an alternative version from the list of
+supported versions.  A server MAY choose a compatible version from that list and
+continue the handshake with that version.  The server sends its first packet as
+though it was continuing with the version it selects.
+
+A QUIC version is compatible with this version if the cryptographic handshake
+message sent in the first packet can be used in both versions.  A compatible
+version is also able to identifying and acknowledge the first packet sent by the
+client in some fashion.  Other QUIC versions might have different constraints in
+determining what is compatible.  In order to facilitate this process, new QUIC
+versions could define a process for transforming the first packet from other
+compatible versions into the equivalent packet in the new version.
+
+Upgrading in this manner allows a server to upgrade without incurring the round
+trip imposed by sending a Version Negotiation packet.  It also allows clients to
+send their first packet using a widely deployed version, without the risk of

A client can use the highest (compatible) version, and the server would just downgrade it to the highest version it supports.

It needs to be the lowest version for maximum flexibility.

Consider the case where we would be using 0x81 as the first octet for the Initial packet in QUIC v2, and that we have a client that wants to connect to a server using either v1 or v2. The way to provide room for such possibility is to let the client send a v1 Initial packet with an indication that the server can respond using a v2 Initial packet.

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This aligns stream limits with flow control limits. To do that, it takes two frame types, both for increasing the limit and for signaling blocking. Note that these frame types will be renumbered afterwards. I realize that this is a terrible arrangement, but it's temporary. Ideally all this limiting stuff is in a contiguous block. 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This aligns stream limits with flow control limits. To do that, it takes two frame types, both for increasing the limit and for signaling blocking. Note that these frame types will be renumbered afterwards. I realize that this is a terrible arrangement, but it's temporary. Ideally all this limiting stuff is in a contiguous block. Closes #1850. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1906 -- Commit Summary -- * Define stream limits as counts * but, but, but (fix to existing text) -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (156) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1906.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1906.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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The problems we've been having with stream limits turned out to be
intractable without a larger shift. This aligns stream limits with flow
control limits. To do that, it takes two frame types, both for
increasing the limit and for signaling blocking.

Note that these frame types will be renumbered afterwards. I realize
that this is a terrible arrangement, but it's temporary. Ideally all
this limiting stuff is in a contiguous block.

Closes #1850.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1906

Commit Summary

  • Define stream limits as counts
  • but, but, but (fix to existing text)

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----==_mimepart_5bd11bf8bb331_7b2b3f8aa58d45b8360573-- From nobody Wed Oct 24 18:27:52 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3674C130934 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 18:27:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v4IdbIsCtwT9 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 18:27:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4A5011292AD for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 18:27:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2018 18:27:48 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1540430868; bh=gddsW8eeG1mZFOQz9OlN55PpDCr4VqGu4gxu4Il6rf0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=zE2RygwXHuAuTdEPI0ZpqnMTMw2klaJrto2iIU11KDj9a/YmZ+1s8X0NyA1Eog1Jr Pogwmh21c5pwp+UUFAYTjAkiZhHO0TbD9lT9fLPhNIZgswYzxkRTqR2TbAtrjzfC9F nkft/0p/Hwo6eUz3mvE1V8ESciNd1hQvXUZmDbgI= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgrade (#1901) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bd11c147c8a6_5b9b3ff8782d45b4256422"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 01:27:51 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bd11c147c8a6_5b9b3ff8782d45b4256422 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > +list of QUIC versions and select an alternative version from the list of +supported versions. A server MAY choose a compatible version from that list and +continue the handshake with that version. The server sends its first packet as +though it was continuing with the version it selects. + +A QUIC version is compatible with this version if the cryptographic handshake +message sent in the first packet can be used in both versions. A compatible +version is also able to identifying and acknowledge the first packet sent by the +client in some fashion. Other QUIC versions might have different constraints in +determining what is compatible. In order to facilitate this process, new QUIC +versions could define a process for transforming the first packet from other +compatible versions into the equivalent packet in the new version. + +Upgrading in this manner allows a server to upgrade without incurring the round +trip imposed by sending a Version Negotiation packet. It also allows clients to +send their first packet using a widely deployed version, without the risk of Yes, the incentive remains the same - the client offers what it believes to be most widely deployed. This design only allows for a seamless upgrade to a compatible version. If the client were to advertise the new, less-widely-deployed version, it risks getting a Version Negotiation packet. > +A QUIC version is compatible with this version if the cryptographic handshake +message sent in the first packet can be used in both versions. A compatible +version is also able to identifying and acknowledge the first packet sent by the +client in some fashion. Other QUIC versions might have different constraints in +determining what is compatible. In order to facilitate this process, new QUIC +versions could define a process for transforming the first packet from other +compatible versions into the equivalent packet in the new version. + +Upgrading in this manner allows a server to upgrade without incurring the round +trip imposed by sending a Version Negotiation packet. It also allows clients to +send their first packet using a widely deployed version, without the risk of +having to use that version with servers that supports a more-preferred version. + +A server MUST NOT send a Version Negotiation packet if it prefers a version that +is not compatible with the version the client initially chose; a server has to +allow the client to choose between versions that are not compatible. No. Because the server might not support every compatible version. If the client offers A, where B is compatible, the server can still send Version Negotiation in response with B because it doesn't understand A. > +A QUIC version is compatible with this version if the cryptographic handshake +message sent in the first packet can be used in both versions. A compatible +version is also able to identifying and acknowledge the first packet sent by the +client in some fashion. Other QUIC versions might have different constraints in +determining what is compatible. In order to facilitate this process, new QUIC +versions could define a process for transforming the first packet from other +compatible versions into the equivalent packet in the new version. + +Upgrading in this manner allows a server to upgrade without incurring the round +trip imposed by sending a Version Negotiation packet. It also allows clients to +send their first packet using a widely deployed version, without the risk of +having to use that version with servers that supports a more-preferred version. + +A server MUST NOT send a Version Negotiation packet if it prefers a version that +is not compatible with the version the client initially chose; a server has to +allow the client to choose between versions that are not compatible. If you were to implement each version in a different process, then this would not work, yes. Unless you wanted to complicate the hand-off from a simple `exec quic-vY --disable-vn` to something more like `exec quic-vY --handoff=`. The consequence is that you probably want to have compatible versions handled by the same instance. > -The first client packet of the cryptographic handshake protocol MUST fit within -a 1232 octet QUIC packet payload. This includes overheads that reduce the space -available to the cryptographic handshake protocol. +2. The first message MUST include the transport parameters chosen by the client. + This enables upgrade to a compatible version (see {{version-upgrade}}). + +3. The first message MUST fit within a 1232 octet QUIC packet payload. This Yeah, and I think that we agreed that the 1232 thing was wrong. I'll cite 4.3 of the -tls doc instead. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1901#discussion_r227986859 ----==_mimepart_5bd11c147c8a6_5b9b3ff8782d45b4256422 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +list of QUIC versions and select an alternative version from the list of
+supported versions.  A server MAY choose a compatible version from that list and
+continue the handshake with that version.  The server sends its first packet as
+though it was continuing with the version it selects.
+
+A QUIC version is compatible with this version if the cryptographic handshake
+message sent in the first packet can be used in both versions.  A compatible
+version is also able to identifying and acknowledge the first packet sent by the
+client in some fashion.  Other QUIC versions might have different constraints in
+determining what is compatible.  In order to facilitate this process, new QUIC
+versions could define a process for transforming the first packet from other
+compatible versions into the equivalent packet in the new version.
+
+Upgrading in this manner allows a server to upgrade without incurring the round
+trip imposed by sending a Version Negotiation packet.  It also allows clients to
+send their first packet using a widely deployed version, without the risk of

Yes, the incentive remains the same - the client offers what it believes to be most widely deployed. This design only allows for a seamless upgrade to a compatible version. If the client were to advertise the new, less-widely-deployed version, it risks getting a Version Negotiation packet.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +A QUIC version is compatible with this version if the cryptographic handshake
+message sent in the first packet can be used in both versions.  A compatible
+version is also able to identifying and acknowledge the first packet sent by the
+client in some fashion.  Other QUIC versions might have different constraints in
+determining what is compatible.  In order to facilitate this process, new QUIC
+versions could define a process for transforming the first packet from other
+compatible versions into the equivalent packet in the new version.
+
+Upgrading in this manner allows a server to upgrade without incurring the round
+trip imposed by sending a Version Negotiation packet.  It also allows clients to
+send their first packet using a widely deployed version, without the risk of
+having to use that version with servers that supports a more-preferred version.
+
+A server MUST NOT send a Version Negotiation packet if it prefers a version that
+is not compatible with the version the client initially chose; a server has to
+allow the client to choose between versions that are not compatible.

No. Because the server might not support every compatible version. If the client offers A, where B is compatible, the server can still send Version Negotiation in response with B because it doesn't understand A.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +A QUIC version is compatible with this version if the cryptographic handshake
+message sent in the first packet can be used in both versions.  A compatible
+version is also able to identifying and acknowledge the first packet sent by the
+client in some fashion.  Other QUIC versions might have different constraints in
+determining what is compatible.  In order to facilitate this process, new QUIC
+versions could define a process for transforming the first packet from other
+compatible versions into the equivalent packet in the new version.
+
+Upgrading in this manner allows a server to upgrade without incurring the round
+trip imposed by sending a Version Negotiation packet.  It also allows clients to
+send their first packet using a widely deployed version, without the risk of
+having to use that version with servers that supports a more-preferred version.
+
+A server MUST NOT send a Version Negotiation packet if it prefers a version that
+is not compatible with the version the client initially chose; a server has to
+allow the client to choose between versions that are not compatible.

If you were to implement each version in a different process, then this would not work, yes. Unless you wanted to complicate the hand-off from a simple exec quic-vY --disable-vn to something more like exec quic-vY --handoff=<translated packet+necessary keys>. The consequence is that you probably want to have compatible versions handled by the same instance.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-The first client packet of the cryptographic handshake protocol MUST fit within
-a 1232 octet QUIC packet payload.  This includes overheads that reduce the space
-available to the cryptographic handshake protocol.
+2. The first message MUST include the transport parameters chosen by the client.
+   This enables upgrade to a compatible version (see {{version-upgrade}}).
+
+3. The first message MUST fit within a 1232 octet QUIC packet payload.  This

Yeah, and I think that we agreed that the 1232 thing was wrong. I'll cite 4.3 of the -tls doc instead.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +list of QUIC versions and select an alternative version from the list of
+supported versions.  A server MAY choose a compatible version from that list and
+continue the handshake with that version.  The server sends its first packet as
+though it was continuing with the version it selects.
+
+A QUIC version is compatible with this version if the cryptographic handshake
+message sent in the first packet can be used in both versions.  A compatible
+version is also able to identifying and acknowledge the first packet sent by the
+client in some fashion.  Other QUIC versions might have different constraints in
+determining what is compatible.  In order to facilitate this process, new QUIC
+versions could define a process for transforming the first packet from other
+compatible versions into the equivalent packet in the new version.
+
+Upgrading in this manner allows a server to upgrade without incurring the round
+trip imposed by sending a Version Negotiation packet.  It also allows clients to
+send their first packet using a widely deployed version, without the risk of

Thinking of versions as being ordered is helpful, but might be constraining. The point is that the client will use the most widely deployed to start with and accept that the server is able to choose a compatible version. The client hopes that the server will choose a version that it prefers more, but leaves that to the server to decide.

In the case of monotonically increasing versions where A >> B >> C, this might seem obvious, but it's still possible that the client will advertise B and get an apparent downgrade to C. That's a property of the design that I don't think we'll see that often, but it's nonetheless theoretically possible.

But as @kazuho says, the expected case is a client advertising vN, then being opportunistically upgraded to vN+1. Like today, you can rely on TLS 1.0 being available widely, but you might prefer TLS 1.3.

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Looks awesome. In addition to fixing #1850, the change simp= lifies the QUIC stack as pointed out by @nibanks in
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One editorial question: are we also going to rename initial_max_= (bidi|uni)_streams to initial_max_streams_(bidi|uni) = for having consistency between TP names and stream names?

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I think that it was #1888.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit marten-seemann approved this pull request. > : The initial maximum bidirectional streams parameter contains the initial maximum number of bidirectional streams the peer may initiate, encoded as an unsigned 16-bit integer. If this parameter is absent or zero, bidirectional - streams cannot be created until a MAX_STREAM_ID frame is sent. Setting this - parameter is equivalent to sending a MAX_STREAM_ID ({{frame-max-stream-id}}) - immediately after completing the handshake containing the corresponding Stream - ID. For example, a value of 0x05 would be equivalent to receiving a - MAX_STREAM_ID containing 16 when received by a client or 17 when received by a - server. + streams cannot be created until a MAX_STREAMS frame is sent. Setting this what about: s/streams cannot be created/the peer cannot open bidirectional streams/ > : The initial maximum unidirectional streams parameter contains the initial maximum number of unidirectional streams the peer may initiate, encoded as an unsigned 16-bit integer. If this parameter is absent or zero, unidirectional - streams cannot be created until a MAX_STREAM_ID frame is sent. Setting this - parameter is equivalent to sending a MAX_STREAM_ID ({{frame-max-stream-id}}) - immediately after completing the handshake containing the corresponding Stream - ID. For example, a value of 0x05 would be equivalent to receiving a - MAX_STREAM_ID containing 18 when received by a client or 19 when received by a - server. + streams cannot be created until a MAX_STREAMS frame is sent. Setting this same here > -The MAX_STREAM_ID frame (type=0x06) informs the peer of the maximum stream ID -that they are permitted to open. +The MAX_STREAMS frame (type=0x1c and 0x1d) informs the peer of the number of +streams they are permitted to open. A MAX_STREAMS frame with a type of 0x1c s/they are/it is/ > -A peer MUST NOT initiate a stream with a higher stream ID than the greatest -maximum stream ID it has received. An endpoint MUST terminate a connection with -a STREAM_ID_ERROR error if a peer initiates a stream with a higher stream ID -than it has sent, unless this is a result of a change in the initial limits (see -{{zerortt-parameters}}). +A peer MUST NOT initiate a stream with a higher stream ID than the largest limit +it has received permits. For instance, a server that receives a unidirectional +stream limit of 4 is permitted to open stream 15, but not stream 19. An Maybe it's clearer if we enumerate the streams, e.g. "... is permitted to open streams 3, 7, 11 and 15, but not stream 19". > : The initial maximum bidirectional streams parameter contains the initial maximum number of bidirectional streams the peer may initiate, encoded as an unsigned 16-bit integer. If this parameter is absent or zero, bidirectional - streams cannot be created until a MAX_STREAM_ID frame is sent. Setting this - parameter is equivalent to sending a MAX_STREAM_ID ({{frame-max-stream-id}}) - immediately after completing the handshake containing the corresponding Stream - ID. For example, a value of 0x05 would be equivalent to receiving a - MAX_STREAM_ID containing 16 when received by a client or 17 when received by a - server. + streams cannot be created until a MAX_STREAMS frame is sent. Setting this + parameter is equivalent to sending a MAX_STREAMS ({{frame-max-streams}}) of + the corresponding type immediately after completing the handshake. Since you removed the example for the encoding here, should we say "equivalent to sending a MAX_STREAMS of the corresponding type with the same value..."? > : A variable-length integer indicating the offset of the stream at which the blocking occurred. -## STREAM_ID_BLOCKED Frame {#frame-stream-id-blocked} +## STREAMS_BLOCKED Frame {#frame-streams-blocked} + +A sender SHOULD send a STREAMS_BLOCKED frame (type=0x1e or 0x1f) when it wishes +to open a stream, but is unable to due to the maximum stream ID limit set by its +peer (see {{frame-max-streams}}). A STREAMS_BLOCKED frame of type 0x1e +indicates a problem with the limit on bidirectional streams; a STREAMS_BLOCKED s/a problem with the limit on/reaching the limit of/g -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@marten-seemann approved this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 : The initial maximum bidirectional streams parameter contains the initial
   maximum number of bidirectional streams the peer may initiate, encoded as an
   unsigned 16-bit integer.  If this parameter is absent or zero, bidirectional
-  streams cannot be created until a MAX_STREAM_ID frame is sent.  Setting this
-  parameter is equivalent to sending a MAX_STREAM_ID ({{frame-max-stream-id}})
-  immediately after completing the handshake containing the corresponding Stream
-  ID. For example, a value of 0x05 would be equivalent to receiving a
-  MAX_STREAM_ID containing 16 when received by a client or 17 when received by a
-  server.
+  streams cannot be created until a MAX_STREAMS frame is sent.  Setting this

what about: s/streams cannot be created/the peer cannot open bidirectional streams/

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 : The initial maximum unidirectional streams parameter contains the initial
   maximum number of unidirectional streams the peer may initiate, encoded as an
   unsigned 16-bit integer.  If this parameter is absent or zero, unidirectional
-  streams cannot be created until a MAX_STREAM_ID frame is sent.  Setting this
-  parameter is equivalent to sending a MAX_STREAM_ID ({{frame-max-stream-id}})
-  immediately after completing the handshake containing the corresponding Stream
-  ID. For example, a value of 0x05 would be equivalent to receiving a
-  MAX_STREAM_ID containing 18 when received by a client or 19 when received by a
-  server.
+  streams cannot be created until a MAX_STREAMS frame is sent.  Setting this

same here

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-The MAX_STREAM_ID frame (type=0x06) informs the peer of the maximum stream ID
-that they are permitted to open.
+The MAX_STREAMS frame (type=0x1c and 0x1d) informs the peer of the number of
+streams they are permitted to open.  A MAX_STREAMS frame with a type of 0x1c

s/they are/it is/

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-A peer MUST NOT initiate a stream with a higher stream ID than the greatest
-maximum stream ID it has received.  An endpoint MUST terminate a connection with
-a STREAM_ID_ERROR error if a peer initiates a stream with a higher stream ID
-than it has sent, unless this is a result of a change in the initial limits (see
-{{zerortt-parameters}}).
+A peer MUST NOT initiate a stream with a higher stream ID than the largest limit
+it has received permits.  For instance, a server that receives a unidirectional
+stream limit of 4 is permitted to open stream 15, but not stream 19.  An

Maybe it's clearer if we enumerate the streams, e.g. "... is permitted to open streams 3, 7, 11 and 15, but not stream 19".

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 : The initial maximum bidirectional streams parameter contains the initial
   maximum number of bidirectional streams the peer may initiate, encoded as an
   unsigned 16-bit integer.  If this parameter is absent or zero, bidirectional
-  streams cannot be created until a MAX_STREAM_ID frame is sent.  Setting this
-  parameter is equivalent to sending a MAX_STREAM_ID ({{frame-max-stream-id}})
-  immediately after completing the handshake containing the corresponding Stream
-  ID. For example, a value of 0x05 would be equivalent to receiving a
-  MAX_STREAM_ID containing 16 when received by a client or 17 when received by a
-  server.
+  streams cannot be created until a MAX_STREAMS frame is sent.  Setting this
+  parameter is equivalent to sending a MAX_STREAMS ({{frame-max-streams}}) of
+  the corresponding type immediately after completing the handshake.

Since you removed the example for the encoding here, should we say "equivalent to sending a MAX_STREAMS of the corresponding type with the same value..."?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 : A variable-length integer indicating the offset of the stream at which the
   blocking occurred.
 
 
-## STREAM_ID_BLOCKED Frame {#frame-stream-id-blocked}
+## STREAMS_BLOCKED Frame {#frame-streams-blocked}
+
+A sender SHOULD send a STREAMS_BLOCKED frame (type=0x1e or 0x1f) when it wishes
+to open a stream, but is unable to due to the maximum stream ID limit set by its
+peer (see {{frame-max-streams}}).  A STREAMS_BLOCKED frame of type 0x1e
+indicates a problem with the limit on bidirectional streams; a STREAMS_BLOCKED

s/a problem with the limit on/reaching the limit of/g

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----==_mimepart_5bd138b040e05_7d193ffa88ed45b42944e1-- From nobody Wed Oct 24 20:32:35 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96A9312F1A6 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 20:32:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IiRHOQkId22t for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 20:32:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D0761128D68 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 20:32:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2018 20:32:32 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1540438352; bh=WvY7FRdJKkzqENlPhqa+koHUFHx6rvZy3hIp7u0rfII=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=1vbtH9FcdW5BkXbJxDNFWIPRBsa4pEddfNBpiEPDrgr3ImAVd+RdcLA1S4+uir2oN 7Hl5auOkCNQvYD3PNSo5LWfl6N2An2kG3ow0XpigORl4livB9ApGGQdIzYgD1BkRSZ lNMq1us7SwvN3Y7DdP1HO1WIwbYbGm7LTO1OQmzU= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgrade (#1901) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bd1395028172_28af3f82a4cd45b8208738"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 03:32:35 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bd1395028172_28af3f82a4cd45b8208738 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kazuho commented on this pull request. > -transport parameters. The position and the format of the version fields in -transport parameters MUST either be identical across different QUIC versions, or -be unambiguously different to ensure no confusion about their interpretation. -One way that a new format could be introduced is to define a TLS extension with -a different codepoint. +is sent by an attacker. + +To protect against these attacks, the transport parameters includes the complete +list of versions that a client is willing to use, with the version they used for +sending the first packet in the first entry. Including this information in the +cryptographic handshake provides it with integrity protection, and allows the +server to detect version downgrade attacks. + +The client MUST include the first QUIC version it attempts to use as the first +entry of the supported_versions list in the transport parameters. A server MUST +close the connection attempt with a VERSION_NEGOTIATION_ERROR if it supports the My understanding is that the intent of the text is to detect version downgrade attack at the server-side instead of doing on the client-side. IMO we need to make the change; see #1810. However, I am not sure if the proposed design is sufficient, because it only detects a repression of only "one version" (being identified the first entry of supported_versions), while an attacker can inject VN to repress multiple versions. Consider the case where a client supports three versions, v3, v2, v1 talking to a server that supports v2 and v1. Assume that the use of newer versions are preferable than the older ones. The client uses v3 in it's initial attempt. The attacker intercepts the Initial packet and responds with a fake VN that advertises v1 only. In such case, the server will not notice the downgrade attack and the connection will be established using v1. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -transport parameters.  The position and the format of the version fields in
-transport parameters MUST either be identical across different QUIC versions, or
-be unambiguously different to ensure no confusion about their interpretation.
-One way that a new format could be introduced is to define a TLS extension with
-a different codepoint.
+is sent by an attacker.
+
+To protect against these attacks, the transport parameters includes the complete
+list of versions that a client is willing to use, with the version they used for
+sending the first packet in the first entry.  Including this information in the
+cryptographic handshake provides it with integrity protection, and allows the
+server to detect version downgrade attacks.
+
+The client MUST include the first QUIC version it attempts to use as the first
+entry of the supported_versions list in the transport parameters.  A server MUST
+close the connection attempt with a VERSION_NEGOTIATION_ERROR if it supports the

My understanding is that the intent of the text is to detect version downgrade attack at the server-side instead of doing on the client-side. IMO we need to make the change; see #1810.

However, I am not sure if the proposed design is sufficient, because it only detects a repression of only "one version" (being identified the first entry of supported_versions), while an attacker can inject VN to repress multiple versions.

Consider the case where a client supports three versions, v3, v2, v1 talking to a server that supports v2 and v1. Assume that the use of newer versions are preferable than the older ones. The client uses v3 in it's initial attempt. The attacker intercepts the Initial packet and responds with a fake VN that advertises v1 only. In such case, the server will not notice the downgrade attack and the connection will be established using v1.

IMO, it might make sense to send a list of versions that the client preferred but was unable to use due to the values included in VN that it received.

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Closes #1858.

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This adds them to avoid the confusion arising from their absence, even if they don't really need to be there. Closes #1894. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1908 -- Commit Summary -- * Add missing sections to document structure -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (12) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1908.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1908.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1908 ----==_mimepart_5bd13baa37d62_5f103fbec14d45bc3378de Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

There were two things that we missed, which looked a little incongrous.
This adds them to avoid the confusion arising from their absence, even
if they don't really need to be there.

Closes #1894.

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Closes #1898.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closes #1902. 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Closes #1902.

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A minor point, and we might not even regret this, but it's not worth
risking it.

Closes #1905.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a feeling that Ian isn't going to like this because it messes with the notion of "bytes in flight" that we use in -recovery. I would prefer to be consistent though. For the transport, "bytes in flight" only appeared once, but its use wasn't critical. Also closes #1863. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1912 -- Commit Summary -- * Use octets rather than bytes throughout -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (49) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1912.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1912.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1912 ----==_mimepart_5bd141b7ccbe4_21293f881c4d45c064541c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I have a feeling that Ian isn't going to like this because it messes with the notion of "bytes in flight" that we use in -recovery. I would prefer to be consistent though. For the transport, "bytes in flight" only appeared once, but its use wasn't critical.

Also closes #1863.

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This deals with the distinction between IP and QUIC packets better,
clarifies the interaction with packet coalescing, and makes it clear
that counts are ACK state and therefore separated by packet number
space.

Closes #1838.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1913

Commit Summary

  • Clarify ECN counters

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----==_mimepart_5bd146ac7c1a5_35823fbcce0d45c4503663-- From nobody Wed Oct 24 21:37:06 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8105912D4EE for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 21:37:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mCGWwYPAIqIZ for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 21:37:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E638128CFD for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 21:37:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2018 21:37:02 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1540442222; bh=soLNOvVfMCHwSUHcObI8n3ZabNJYAdpDH7yXIo8rIck=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ctse7Uez4FVWUgHSXPZM8Lupvrbta+JAEkoMXLlMd9xgCFlcp3gecMSBjwK2+efAl alPfK+Xz4NfEBE620FOuh2YhWLYvhIWVuLU+CQDdk5KkE2F81v/+xEGM/j1PHbonUc f+REwXTwfMelaDLcVSrIF+zSFxZEB18jbtCSRiSY= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Flow control for post-handshake CRYPTO messages (#1834) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bd1486e97f4f_5eb33fbec14d45bc681959"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 04:37:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bd1486e97f4f_5eb33fbec14d45bc681959 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm very much inclined to leave this "unfixed", but to leave a warning that sending large post-handshake messages risks connection failure. > I had assumed that TLS stacks always expose the 1-RTT read key to the QUIC stacks acting as a server when it receives ClientFinished. I'd be curious to know if there are TLS stacks that takes an alternative approach. That was what I had assumed too, until I thought through the nasty interactions with partial Handshake flights and 0-RTT. That is, the TLS stack makes secrets available at the point that it would normally be installing them for its own use. In that way, a server wouldn't install the 1-RTT read keys until it had processed the finished from the client, exactly as you say. My current patch (which is still under review) releases secrets as soon as possible to avoid the problem where the server can't read Handshake acknowledgements because it is receiving 0-RTT. The main consequence of that is that you need a separate API where the TLS stack tells the QUIC stack what it is willing to send and receive (well, I had a ton of fun fixing tests as well, but that's just because we were a little lazy with certain things in the past). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1834#issuecomment-432911920 ----==_mimepart_5bd1486e97f4f_5eb33fbec14d45bc681959 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm very much inclined to leave this "unfixed", but to leave a warning= that sending large post-handshake messages risks connection failure.

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I had assumed that TLS stacks always expose the 1-RTT read key to the = QUIC stacks acting as a server when it receives ClientFinished. I'd be cu= rious to know if there are TLS stacks that takes an alternative approach.=

That was what I had assumed too, until I thought through the nasty int= eractions with partial Handshake flights and 0-RTT. That is, the TLS sta= ck makes secrets available at the point that it would normally be install= ing them for its own use. In that way, a server wouldn't install the 1-R= TT read keys until it had processed the finished from the client, exactly= as you say.

My current patch (which is still under review) releases secrets as soo= n as possible to avoid the problem where the server can't read Handshake = acknowledgements because it is receiving 0-RTT. The main consequence of = that is that you need a separate API where the TLS stack tells the QUIC s= tack what it is willing to send and receive (well, I had a ton of fun fix= ing tests as well, but that's just because we were a little lazy with cer= tain things in the past).

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -618,8 +617,8 @@ sent_packets:
 : An association of packet numbers to information about them, including a number
   field indicating the packet number, a time field indicating the time a packet
   was sent, a boolean indicating whether the packet is ack-only, a boolean
-  indicating whether it counts towards bytes in flight, and a bytes
-  field indicating the packet's size.  sent_packets is ordered by packet number,
+  indicating whether it counts towards bytes in flight, and a size field

It says bytes in flight

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----==_mimepart_5bd14f9fb3552_35673fbcce0d45c4107913b-- From nobody Wed Oct 24 22:44:54 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D7F512D4E6 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 22:44:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8ecUllXTaJIv for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 22:44:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E3BAA130E3D for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 22:44:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=13cMtHa0+btgeY4aW7x632OUaIQ=; b=vaFamz/KX0AT/mOP kg+5OfmHux8Vf/ORoc9nScKOnlX65Mv0zK7xoNY+k0jqwiJLH2Oojlo6XipB1Mbk EwxH0gpOhM0aPYlsbLJouL/W95SsRUK3bfFaHkJDB+3jK4x4BVUQAvYKpqSJzW8A wqmIM7/K4OBqeYoayJojxPovExw= Received: by filter1041p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1041p1las1-28807-5BD1584F-2A 2018-10-25 05:44:48.001118857 +0000 UTC m=+540863.681125717 Received: from github-lowworker-e711880.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.45]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id q6PmrsWlQU6_CkGf5U1FrQ for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 05:44:47.899 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-e711880.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9A394400C0 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 22:44:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 05:44:48 +0000 (UTC) From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Define stream limits as counts (#1906) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bd1584fd7908_44f3ff7652d45b415531c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak10KtWMUfSqzPxKjvBDA5wQHkp467tCJLJDvt MZk1j+JSpif67wqeaHQJZTCk/Pex2h2XilEl9iMF9OYzn3GSye9tNpc52gRzJIbdj9yNsDH4f3wV5k 9agToprL7Fjcp0tTyakCiN3KNF6IpD8mHAt02pbs7JNFF+xp9PNUZA0OcgVrpg4qE59p+fsGAPPJiG w= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 05:44:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bd1584fd7908_44f3ff7652d45b415531c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mikkelfj commented on this pull request. Much better - but we are close to the point where distinguishing stream types by frame type variant only makes more sense. > -The maximum stream ID is specific to each endpoint and applies only to the peer -that receives the setting. That is, clients specify the maximum stream ID the -server can initiate, and servers specify the maximum stream ID the client can -initiate. Each endpoint may respond on streams initiated by the other peer, -regardless of whether it is permitted to initiate new streams. +The stream limit is specific to each endpoint and applies only to the peer that +receives the setting. That is, clients limit the number of streams the server Mixing plural clients with singular server. And vice versa below. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1906#pullrequestreview-168213030 ----==_mimepart_5bd1584fd7908_44f3ff7652d45b415531c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@mikkelfj commented on this pull request.

Much better - but we are close to the point where distinguishing stream types by frame type variant only makes more sense.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-The maximum stream ID is specific to each endpoint and applies only to the peer
-that receives the setting. That is, clients specify the maximum stream ID the
-server can initiate, and servers specify the maximum stream ID the client can
-initiate.  Each endpoint may respond on streams initiated by the other peer,
-regardless of whether it is permitted to initiate new streams.
+The stream limit is specific to each endpoint and applies only to the peer that
+receives the setting. That is, clients limit the number of streams the server

Mixing plural clients with singular server. And vice versa below.

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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -transport parameters.  The position and the format of the version fields in
-transport parameters MUST either be identical across different QUIC versions, or
-be unambiguously different to ensure no confusion about their interpretation.
-One way that a new format could be introduced is to define a TLS extension with
-a different codepoint.
+is sent by an attacker.
+
+To protect against these attacks, the transport parameters includes the complete
+list of versions that a client is willing to use, with the version they used for
+sending the first packet in the first entry.  Including this information in the
+cryptographic handshake provides it with integrity protection, and allows the
+server to detect version downgrade attacks.
+
+The client MUST include the first QUIC version it attempts to use as the first
+entry of the supported_versions list in the transport parameters.  A server MUST
+close the connection attempt with a VERSION_NEGOTIATION_ERROR if it supports the

Oh, so that would be the case where the v2 and v1 are not compatible, that is, the server has to respect the client's choice between v1 and v2. In this case, we're not respecting the client's preferences. I think that I'll have to take @ekr's design here to fix that. That is, the client advertises the version it attempts first, then it provides a list in preference order. Then validation at the server goes thus:

original version is supported, but not the current version = error
client prefers an incompatible version over the current version and the preferred version is supported by the server = error

Does that sound right?

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----==_mimepart_5bd184e0abbfa_20ea3f881c4d45c0133158c-- From nobody Thu Oct 25 01:57:22 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0852412870E for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 01:57:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ym8ptwBY267M for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 01:57:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FE81130DFD for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 01:57:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 01:57:18 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1540457838; bh=HX+A+dFdGUAzUfAEiuti/qX1aSjDH6k98fngdZjYJSs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=h1mvEYsd8Wsvi2yNySYeEShT5WNpkPt5gF7b1bs5bL5QmHBK41VtlsKiAdvFqgmd5 BnPadjLLiiJiqjbZVkwvTb2mvs+4/NoEz9gy+3mfmnSGqZXZtnCeeOGkyBlr2Ha6n4 pRdpk+ASCjiOMs4JTqGGY1HWmKjdW/r+Ui9rH2Zs= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgrade (#1901) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bd1856e5af41_55453fa4ab0d45b457154a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 08:57:21 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bd1856e5af41_55453fa4ab0d45b457154a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks @kazuho for finding another hole. That validated the design that @ekr had for this, which separated the first attempted version from the supported versions list. It turns out that the preference order in the supported versions was necessary to prevent that. The client needs to tell the server how it would select between common versions so that the choice between incompatible versions can be validated. This is slightly more complicated, but not much. Please review the algorithm I put in comments and let me know if you think that would be helpful in documenting the validation process. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1901#issuecomment-432970257 ----==_mimepart_5bd1856e5af41_55453fa4ab0d45b457154a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks @kazuho for finding another hole. That validated the de= sign that @ekr had for this, which separated the first attempted ve= rsion from the supported versions list. It turns out that the preference= order in the supported versions was necessary to prevent that. The clie= nt needs to tell the server how it would select between common versions s= o that the choice between incompatible versions can be validated.

This is slightly more complicated, but not much. Please review the al= gorithm I put in comments and let me know if you think that would be help= ful in documenting the validation process.

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Are we sure we want to do this? Usually I'm all for doing things smarter, but it seems like there is a huge attack vector here and a great opportunity for implementations to get things wrong, especially across versions.

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Sitting down and defining the interface (which consists primarily of t= he creation, use, and cancellation of streams, plus the creation and canc= ellation of connections) is difficult and time-consuming, and previous at= tempts to do that have failed. So I don't want to start down that path at= this stage; it would delay things.

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Q: Why not standardize on bytes? All the TCP RFCs use byte, and the word octet does not occur in any TCP RFCs I can find.

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I would also prefer bytes over octets, if we are taking a vote.

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----==_mimepart_5bd1c6558c9e_7e5c3fcfe40d45b4199004a-- From nobody Thu Oct 25 06:38:54 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D5CB130E5A for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 06:38:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qVIncC4W8Tr1 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 06:38:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-13.smtp.github.com (out-13.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CF55B130E55 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 06:38:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 06:38:50 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1540474730; bh=jw/2fVgit60biA8I8GVkec+tgIRkrAjfD5YhSX2BVe4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=17GlAeOFT3xhjH3y4TbugY2XjnWgGAj3Qrq3Ttl3myQbwv2wC07/n5sl7tRUlZ7fv DUsGkUlulk4thJvSIVuzUPD3GFBhD/2pFlgFbfrB+8Drq7NUkzEwTt5fXkavD08Asr WTey/dhvCwviXFr4YpWbICkhfmjmIWif6NMpFLVU= From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Use octets rather than bytes throughout (#1912) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bd1c76afd76_7f9b3f82a4cd45b81578834"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 13:38:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bd1c76afd76_7f9b3f82a4cd45b81578834 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I vote for **bytes**. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1912#issuecomment-433054523 ----==_mimepart_5bd1c76afd76_7f9b3f82a4cd45b81578834 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I vote for bytes.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2228,6 +2228,12 @@ Note:
   control, which are not expected to be relevant for a closed connection.
   Retransmitting the final packet requires less state.
 
+New packets from unverified addresses could be used to create an amplification
+attack (see {{address-validation}}).  To avoid this, endpoints MUST either limit
+transmission of closing frames to validated addresses - which implies retaining

I'd remove the "- which implies retraining knowledge of validated addresses -" because it makes the sentence a bit awkward and I think it's unnecessary.

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bytes are not quantifiable. They could be 6-bit (as if I care).

Why not also little endian now we are at it?

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A change is not needed globally, I think these two cases are good enough to help avoid confusion.

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Overall looks really good, and I think is a great improvement. Just a few= minor comments. > -selects an acceptable protocol version from the list provided by the s= erver. -The client then attempts to create a connection using that version. Tho= ugh the -content of the Initial packet the client sends might not change in respo= nse to -version negotiation, a client MUST increase the packet number it uses on= every -packet it sends. Packets MUST continue to use long headers ({{long-head= er}}) -and MUST include the new negotiated protocol version. +selects an acceptable protocol version from the list provided by the ser= ver. The +client MUST choose the version that it most prefers from those supported= by the +server. The server will abort the connection attempt if the client choo= ses in a +manner inconsistent from the preference order included with the client t= ransport +parameters (see {{version-validation}}). + +The client then attempts to create a connection using the version it sel= ects. +Though the content of the Initial packet the client sends might not chan= ge in +response to version negotiation, a client MUST increase the packet numbe= r it +uses on every packet it sends. Packets MUST continue to use long header= s Is this saying that even if the client creates an entirely new connection= state it needs to increase the packet number still? I assume that wasn't= intended. Perhaps `Though the content of the Initial packet the client s= ends might not change in response to version negotiation, a client MUST i= ncrease the packet number it uses on every packet it sends.` should be ch= anged to something like `If the content of the Initial packet the client = sends does not change in response to version negotiation, a client MUST i= ncrease the packet number it uses on every packet it sends.`? > = The client MUST use the long header format and include its selected vers= ion on all packets until it has 1-RTT keys and it has received a packet from th= e server which is not a Version Negotiation packet. = A client MUST NOT change the version it uses unless it is in response to= a -Version Negotiation packet from the server. Once a client receives a pa= cket -from the server which is not a Version Negotiation packet, it MUST disca= rd other -Version Negotiation packets on the same connection. Similarly, a client= MUST -ignore a Version Negotiation packet if it has already received and acted= on a -Version Negotiation packet. +Version Negotiation packet from the server, or if the server picks a dif= ferent, +but compatible version (see {{version-upgrade}}). Once a client receive= s a +packet from the server which is not a Version Negotiation packet, it MUS= T +discard other Version Negotiation packets on the same connection. Simil= arly, a +client MUST ignore a Version Negotiation packet if it has already receiv= ed and +acted on a Version Negotiation packet. Is it not theoretically possible that a client (that supports A,B,C) send= s version A, and the server supports version {B, C} and responds with a v= ersion negotiation packet. THEN the server is updated to support only {C}= . The client responds to the VN with B, and then gets a new VN in respons= e, and would want to then try C? It's a pretty crappy experience and extr= emely small edge case, but I think possible. > +The format of the packet that a client sends might be different in the= new +version. In this case, the client generates a new packet that conforms = to the +selected version. Though different versions might convey information ab= out +versions differently, a client MUST send both its first attempted versio= n and +the list of versions it claims to support in preference order. + +Version negotiation packets have no cryptographic protection. Keeping +version-related information consistent between versions is critical for +validation of the choice of version (see {{version-validation}}). + + +## Compatible Version Upgrade {#version-upgrade} + +The first packet sent by a client uses a QUIC version selected by the cl= ient. +In this version of QUIC, this packet also includes transport parameters.= Those +transport parameters includes the version the client first attempts to u= se, plus ```suggestion=0D transport parameters include the version the client first attempts to use= , plus=0D ``` > +Version negotiation packets have no cryptographic protection. Keeping= +version-related information consistent between versions is critical for +validation of the choice of version (see {{version-validation}}). + + +## Compatible Version Upgrade {#version-upgrade} + +The first packet sent by a client uses a QUIC version selected by the cl= ient. +In this version of QUIC, this packet also includes transport parameters.= Those +transport parameters includes the version the client first attempts to u= se, plus +a list of QUIC versions the client supports in the order that the client= prefers +them. + +A server that understands the version selected by the client can extract= the +list of QUIC versions and select an alternative version from the list of= +supported versions. A server MAY choose version from that list that is ```suggestion=0D supported versions. A server MAY choose a version from that list that is= =0D ``` > +message sent in the first packet can be used in both versions. A comp= atible +version is also able to identify and acknowledge the first packet sent b= y the +client in some fashion. Other QUIC versions might have different constr= aints in +determining what is compatible. In order to facilitate this process, ne= w QUIC +versions could define a process for transforming the first packet from o= ther +compatible versions into the equivalent packet in the new version. + +Upgrading in this manner allows a server to upgrade without incurring th= e round +trip imposed by sending a Version Negotiation packet. It also allows cl= ients to +send their first packet using a widely deployed version, without the ris= k of +having to use that version with servers that supports a more-preferred v= ersion. + +A server MUST NOT send a Version Negotiation packet if it prefers a vers= ion that +is not compatible with the version the client initially chose; a server = has to +allow the client to choose between versions that are not compatible. + Should we have some text that says what to do if the server's supported l= ist doesn't overlap at all with the client's? Should it still send a VN, = even though it knows the client won't be able to continue the connection?= I didn't see any text talking about that case. > - -The negotiated_version field is the version that is in use. This MUST b= e set by -the server to the value that is on the Initial packet that it accepts (n= ot an -Initial packet that triggers a Retry or Version Negotiation packet). A = client -that receives a negotiated_version that does not match the version of QU= IC that -is in use MUST terminate the connection with a VERSION_NEGOTIATION_ERROR= error -code. - -The server includes a list of versions that it would send in any version= -negotiation packet ({{packet-version}}) in the supported_versions field.= The -server populates this field even if it did not send a version negotiatio= n -packet. +is sent by an attacker. + +To protect against these attacks, the transport parameters includes both= the +original version the client uses with its first packet, a complete list = of ```suggestion=0D original version the client uses with its first packet and a complete lis= t of=0D ``` > +protection, and allows the server to detect version downgrade attacks.= + +The client MUST include the first QUIC version it attempts to use in the= +original_version field of its transport parameters. A server MUST abort= the +connection attempt with a VERSION_NEGOTIATION_ERROR if it supports the v= ersion +in the original_version field and that version does not match the versio= n of the +Initial packet from the client. + +The client MUST include the versions it claims to support in preference = order in +the supported_versions field of its transport parameters. A server MUST= abort +the connection attempt with a VERSION_NEGOTIATION_ERROR if the Initial p= acket +from the client contains a version that is less preferred by the client = than any +version it supports, unless that version also matches the original_versi= on +field. + +