From nobody Thu Nov 1 01:27:09 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35E48126F72 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2018 01:27:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qs8VZ30RjXHq for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2018 01:27:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 916271276D0 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2018 01:27:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2018 01:27:05 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541060825; bh=FF9UC1BTVNCudCoG1V6ogiCRm+fvQpUAJVf1tAw0nbo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=OUPfbKxvLn108xvuz0IfHo4rVj4ikTUe5iMteWAicGmrO1fwzOcaXxikrobFPJU5d kZmSBXC+i32PFReO54cPVA3PYJQ4808+Y3vMM/e50hsaxl3a4Eg+q8Y7zJW3UImGvF a8sfcFrpNkkWQPvCK725UFHNJ0Vsb9ymaTlGYGqI= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Change retransmittable to Ack-eliciting (#1942) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bdab8d93fb2c_3c353ff2128d45c0740518"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2018 08:27:08 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bdab8d93fb2c_3c353ff2128d45c0740518 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah - retransmittable doesn=E2=80=99t mean it have to, only that it can = be. -- = You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1942#issuecomment-434969093= ----==_mimepart_5bdab8d93fb2c_3c353ff2128d45c0740518 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yeah - retransmittable doesn=E2=80=99t mean it have to, only that it c= an be.

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= ----==_mimepart_5bdab8d93fb2c_3c353ff2128d45c0740518-- From nobody Thu Nov 1 01:31:53 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6433130DCD for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2018 01:31:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4G6nZ4ZCvwcU for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2018 01:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 751C31286E7 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2018 01:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2018 01:31:49 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541061109; bh=zHsiEipCZitRrJx1GWJzXFJAScjYsq2l1buBG8mFCg0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Psq/iV48z3PuyS+B+rmR5zk7NVANW3KxrkXllN/PxQyeOM+Exu9epEvpimj7tSDlP i6nn+jgRqtptGuaGbyc+phtb+Y+rXSjGzlnCsUfKHVBs+FvhZtp/X+O1PeK7RVjPi9 jIoaQkq41kQvgRRDr8RKpvu8XUQBqL2TqWL1e8Us= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgrade (#1901) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bdab9f59cd71_7bd23fa814cd45b413737e7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2018 08:31:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bdab9f59cd71_7bd23fa814cd45b413737e7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit QUIC is useful for all sorts of custom data sync protocols that curtently use TCP+TLS. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1901#issuecomment-434970089 ----==_mimepart_5bdab9f59cd71_7bd23fa814cd45b413737e7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

QUIC is useful for all sorts of custom data sync protocols that curtently use TCP+TLS.

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@DavidSchinazi Every endpoints announces a list of add= resses it believes it is reachable at. We currently don't encode the QUIC= version number into that address. I'd prefer to not do that, but instead= have an efficient QUIC version negotiation mechanism take care of select= ing the best version.

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Varint transport parameters are not on the agenda here:

https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/blob/76f20bb7095c3b7f6565c39fd4f429d6311ae9f7/ietf103/agenda.md

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----==_mimepart_5bdb0628169a5_56523f8ff2ed45c4433f7-- From nobody Thu Nov 1 07:42:31 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE2EF124BAA for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2018 07:42:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U95FMABM81RN for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2018 07:42:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C2BA124D68 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2018 07:42:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2018 07:42:27 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541083347; bh=k35jefcP1IvhCcD6BwND+Zvl/1BREBcJXupN/KgtV6Q=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=lJlCEx1ljhVs+0J8HdcGlrFPQdH6jLODXuknVKr/Hp0G2TMYOAI2OjZtEjTm5YDql LBGQ4a7F/6N1geVJCzMZy7JoriEAV1ObCROdtu4rwn/ETSOH6iOBOceSXzOzOIBrM/ 6xJ6WbPYFHWQj3CHtXB+7vRaEkxitlpCFD13Taz0= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Change retransmittable to Ack-eliciting (#1942) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bdb10d32bded_4e4d3fb8960d45c414471d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2018 14:42:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bdb10d32bded_4e4d3fb8960d45c414471d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not set on this being what we go with, but I think it reads reasonably well and I'm really unhappy with retransmittable, since I think it's just confusing. If there's another alternative you'd like to see me create a PR for, feel free to suggest it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1942#issuecomment-435054645 ----==_mimepart_5bdb10d32bded_4e4d3fb8960d45c414471d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'm not set on this being what we go with, but I think it reads reasonably well and I'm really unhappy with retransmittable, since I think it's just confusing. If there's another alternative you'd like to see me create a PR for, feel free to suggest it.

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----==_mimepart_5bdb10d32bded_4e4d3fb8960d45c414471d-- From nobody Thu Nov 1 08:19:52 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AFA1128C65 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2018 08:19:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Nn4-1LL0mGcq for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2018 08:19:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8607E12872C for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2018 08:19:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2018 08:19:47 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541085587; bh=SbJAN2mPHqjbj0jA/AixU9v/f4dX9G1aXN4ESI3r/xE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=SjrObSG/U3kU+lq7TTYojcOmUS0QZqj8DaDqCQhoWNgHdNXUub/MxSyCxiZas9/B0 n+7KYogJiHRRwz+EGSGEyUFr6TfXWl2Fi5MhT4wkjwEYMpLadRlFloHzq/YjpyVGwv TMk9TGKcBI6WyX6eQM5yUPaFMlIF/W7SW7W1YfD4= From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Change retransmittable to Ack-eliciting (#1942) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bdb199383115_2b303fb71e2d45b411591"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2018 15:19:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bdb199383115_2b303fb71e2d45b411591 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does the English language have a suffix that means that something _must_ = be done ("ack`$foo`") rather than that _can_ be done ("ackable")? What's= `$foo`? =F0=9F=98=96 = -- = You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1942#issuecomment-435068980= ----==_mimepart_5bdb199383115_2b303fb71e2d45b411591 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Microsoft also has a number of other non-HTTP projects under way using QUIC that I think would benefit from this.

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@mikkelfj I agree that this is definitely useful. The only question I'm asking is which document this should land in and when.
@nibanks, can you comment on which use-case you would benefit from? (draft-to-RFC or v1-to-v2?)

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@DavidSchinazi possibly both. We will likely have limi= ted deployment of some of the projects before QUIC hits RFC status and we= may end up using a draft version number for those. Beyond that, since th= ose protocols won't necessarily have an alt-svc design, the v1-to-v2 woul= d likely be beneficial as well.

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In transport draft 16, it says:

If an endpoint receives a frame for a stream that it expects to
initiate (i.e., odd-numbered for the client or even-numbered for the
server), but which it has not yet opened, it MUST close the
connection with error code STREAM_STATE_ERROR.

I believe this part (i.e., odd-numbered for the client or even-numbered for the
server) should read as (i.e., even-numbered for the client or odd-numbered for the
server).

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I think that this discharges my responsibilities in this regard.

I'd like to do the first octet one after the editors discussion, just to appraise people of where things stand post-spin-bit discussion.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1556,9 +1556,9 @@ times as many bytes as the number of bytes they have received.  This limits the
 magnitude of any amplification attack that can be mounted using spoofed source
 addresses.
 
-If sending a UDP datagram consisting entirely of an Initial Packet, clients
-MUST pad that packet to at least 1200 bytes unless the client has received a
-Handshake Packet ack from the server. This ensures that the server is not
+Clients MUST pad UDP datagrams that contain only Initial packets to 1200 octets.
+Once a client has received an acknowledgment for a Handshake packet it MAY send
+smaller datagrams.  Sending padded datagrams ensures that the server is not

I agree it doesn't matter much. The cases I can think involve somewhat naive retransmissions of things that have been implicitly acked.

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I believe this PR addresses #765, though maybe not #1724 I have a few nits, but otherwise I think this ready to merge. > + +Sent packets are tracked for each packet number space, and ACK +processing only applies to a single space. + +### Sent Packet Fields {#sent-packets-fields} + +packet_number +: The packet number of the sent packet. + +retransmittable: +: A boolean that indicates whether a packet is retransmittable. + If true, it is expected that an acknowledgement will be received, + though the peer could delay sending the ACK frame containing it + by up to the MaxAckDelay. + +in_flight: Not a big deal, but I found it easier to just store "flightsize" which is set to zero if it doesn't count, instead of having in_flight and send_bytes. If you find that more compact and understandable, feel free to change it. > + +QUIC stores information about every packet sent. It's expected implementations +will index this per-packet information by packet number and store the +per-packet fields detailed below for loss recovery and congestion control. +Additionally, implementations MUST ensure that any retransmittable frames +being transmitted are tracked in case of loss. + +If a packet containing retransmittable frames is lost, the QUIC transport +needs to recover from that loss, such as by retransmitting the data, +sending an updated frame, or abandoning the frame. For more information, +see Section 13.2 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. + +Packets MUST be tracked until acknowledged or lost. After a packet is lost, +it SHOULD be tracked for an amount of time comparable to the maximum +expected packet reordering, such as 1 RTT. This allows detection of +spurious retransmissions and MAY allow avoiding an extra retransmissions if s/allow avoiding an/avoid > @@ -509,6 +509,57 @@ frames containing them could be lost. In this case, the loss recovery algorithm may cause spurious retransmits, but the sender will continue making forward progress. +## Tracking Sent Packets {#tracking-sent-packets} + +QUIC stores information about every packet sent. It's expected implementations +will index this per-packet information by packet number and store the +per-packet fields detailed below for loss recovery and congestion control. +Additionally, implementations MUST ensure that any retransmittable frames +being transmitted are tracked in case of loss. + "Implementations MUST track the ack blocks in a packet in order to stop sending those ack blocks if the packet is acknowledged." Perhaps this is not strictly loss-recovery-related, but this is the section where I'm going to go to implement struct sent_pkt. > @@ -509,6 +509,57 @@ frames containing them could be lost. In this case, the loss recovery algorithm may cause spurious retransmits, but the sender will continue making forward progress. +## Tracking Sent Packets {#tracking-sent-packets} + +QUIC stores information about every packet sent. It's expected implementations +will index this per-packet information by packet number and store the "by packet number and crypto context"? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1939#pullrequestreview-170953385 ----==_mimepart_5bdbbd3ac023_67343fd224cd45c0292977 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@martinduke approved this pull request.

I believe this PR addresses #765, though maybe not #1724

I have a few nits, but otherwise I think this ready to merge.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +
+Sent packets are tracked for each packet number space, and ACK
+processing only applies to a single space.
+
+### Sent Packet Fields {#sent-packets-fields}
+
+packet_number
+: The packet number of the sent packet.
+
+retransmittable:
+: A boolean that indicates whether a packet is retransmittable.
+  If true, it is expected that an acknowledgement will be received,
+  though the peer could delay sending the ACK frame containing it
+  by up to the MaxAckDelay.
+
+in_flight:

Not a big deal, but I found it easier to just store "flightsize" which is set to zero if it doesn't count, instead of having in_flight and send_bytes. If you find that more compact and understandable, feel free to change it.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +
+QUIC stores information about every packet sent. It's expected implementations
+will index this per-packet information by packet number and store the
+per-packet fields detailed below for loss recovery and congestion control.
+Additionally, implementations MUST ensure that any retransmittable frames
+being transmitted are tracked in case of loss.
+
+If a packet containing retransmittable frames is lost, the QUIC transport
+needs to recover from that loss, such as by retransmitting the data,
+sending an updated frame, or abandoning the frame.  For more information,
+see Section 13.2 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
+
+Packets MUST be tracked until acknowledged or lost.  After a packet is lost,
+it SHOULD be tracked for an amount of time comparable to the maximum
+expected packet reordering, such as 1 RTT.  This allows detection of
+spurious retransmissions and MAY allow avoiding an extra retransmissions if

s/allow avoiding an/avoid

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -509,6 +509,57 @@ frames containing them could be lost. In this case, the loss recovery algorithm
 may cause spurious retransmits, but the sender will continue making forward
 progress.
 
+## Tracking Sent Packets {#tracking-sent-packets}
+
+QUIC stores information about every packet sent. It's expected implementations
+will index this per-packet information by packet number and store the
+per-packet fields detailed below for loss recovery and congestion control.
+Additionally, implementations MUST ensure that any retransmittable frames
+being transmitted are tracked in case of loss.
+

"Implementations MUST track the ack blocks in a packet in order to stop sending those ack blocks if the packet is
acknowledged."

Perhaps this is not strictly loss-recovery-related, but this is the section where I'm going to go to implement struct sent_pkt.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -509,6 +509,57 @@ frames containing them could be lost. In this case, the loss recovery algorithm
 may cause spurious retransmits, but the sender will continue making forward
 progress.
 
+## Tracking Sent Packets {#tracking-sent-packets}
+
+QUIC stores information about every packet sent. It's expected implementations
+will index this per-packet information by packet number and store the

"by packet number and crypto context"?

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----==_mimepart_5bdbbd3ac023_67343fd224cd45c0292977-- From nobody Thu Nov 1 20:04:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54F12128DFD for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2018 20:04:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A6D_gkIX6K4y for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2018 20:04:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A1CB1128CFD for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2018 20:04:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2018 20:04:46 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541127886; bh=YcgYkTrOLofOtaaFj1MOwvOgFU34DXzhUfb12znr9RU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=gMuiRHqurqg0uYS7Tks+Nawb1RnD6Uzyzeqq5uj5jmiBrMJG2/d1Pxop9xAY5gu12 vohPGDgr30nLLxJNHr30yvaPkZwP3j4Px7ycATgLE7CN+6g1GKgxonep0GqUCMtFYL oF9amMX5NwVdhl+7CPa6wldFHX5ilTz5QQ789T7s= From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgrade (#1901) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bdbbece6b62b_66fd3fd224cd45c01679a4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2018 03:04:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bdbbece6b62b_66fd3fd224cd45c01679a4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can we land the bit where we add supported-versions to client TPs and argue about seamless upgrade in Bangkok? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1901#issuecomment-435256816 ----==_mimepart_5bdbbece6b62b_66fd3fd224cd45c01679a4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Can we land the bit where we add supported-versions to client TPs and argue about seamless upgrade in Bangkok?

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@kazuho I think the objection has more to do with interop and unforeseen cornercases and vulnerabilities than it has to do with ones own implementation.

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The suffix _ENT_ means "one who performs/causes." Thus, instead of > Packets that contain **ack-eliciting** frames elicit an ACK from the receiver within the maximum ack delay and are called **ack-eliciting** packets. we will have > Packets that contain **ackent** frames elicit an ACK from the receiver within the maximum ack delay and are called **ackent** packets. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1942#issuecomment-435465202 ----==_mimepart_5bdca3f76250d_39963f9da30d45b4118728 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Based on this list of English suffixes, I propose that we use= ackent instead of ack-eliciting. The suffix ENT means= "one who performs/causes."

Thus, instead of

Packets that contain ack-eliciting frames elicit an A= CK from the receiver within the maximum ack delay and are called = ack-eliciting packets.

we will have

Packets that contain ackent frames elicit an ACK from= the receiver within the maximum ack delay and are called ackent<= /strong> packets.

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resilient

Packets that contain resilient frames elicit an ACK from the receiver = within the maximum ack delay and are called resilient packets.

unforgettable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D2HSt7LWsm-A

Packets that contain unforgettable frames elicit an ACK from the recei= ver within the maximum ack delay and are called unforgettable packets.

unmissable

Packets that contain unmissable frames elicit an ACK from the receiver= within the maximum ack delay and are called unmissable packets.

robust

Packets that contain robust frames elicit an ACK from the receiver wit= hin the maximum ack delay and are called robust packets.

stateful

Packets that contain stateful frames elicit an ACK from the receiver w= ithin the maximum ack delay and are called stateful packets.

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@mikkelfj, my suggestion was in earnest.

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Mine was only half in jest. I kind of like resilient.

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +
+Sent packets are tracked for each packet number space, and ACK
+processing only applies to a single space.
+
+### Sent Packet Fields {#sent-packets-fields}
+
+packet_number
+: The packet number of the sent packet.
+
+retransmittable:
+: A boolean that indicates whether a packet is retransmittable.
+  If true, it is expected that an acknowledgement will be received,
+  though the peer could delay sending the ACK frame containing it
+  by up to the MaxAckDelay.
+
+in_flight:

I'll keep it as is for now, this PR is large enough.

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -509,6 +509,57 @@ frames containing them could be lost. In this case, the loss recovery algorithm
 may cause spurious retransmits, but the sender will continue making forward
 progress.
 
+## Tracking Sent Packets {#tracking-sent-packets}
+
+QUIC stores information about every packet sent. It's expected implementations
+will index this per-packet information by packet number and store the
+per-packet fields detailed below for loss recovery and congestion control.
+Additionally, implementations MUST ensure that any retransmittable frames
+being transmitted are tracked in case of loss.
+

Hmm, I am actually trying to say something different here, which is that you need to track frames like Stream frames, so if they're lost, you can decide whether to retransmit the data/etc.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've tried to eliminate redundancies and rearrange a few things in a better order. This might be hard to read the diffs on, so maybe just look at the Stream sections in the compiled draft. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1950 -- Commit Summary -- * Rework of stream sections * rework of stream states -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (642) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1950.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1950.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1950 ----==_mimepart_5bdd393d4a6fc_444a3fb65ced45c016544a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I've tried to eliminate redundancies and rearrange a few things in a better order. This might be hard to read the diffs on, so maybe just look at the Stream sections in the compiled draft.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1950

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Suppose that a connection has progressed and the server has sent an Initial packet with a Server Hello to the client. At that point, we expect that all following packets will be protected by the handshake key or by the application key, preventing 3rd parties from interfering with the connection.

Suppose now that a third party sends to the server a spoofed initial packet, containing for example a malformed acknowledgement. The server will process the packet, find the malformed frame, generate a protocol violation error and close the connection. Which means that the 3rd party is able to interfere with the connection after the handshake keys have already been exchanged.

Is that an attack we should worry about?

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On the client side, Initial packets should not be processed after the = handshake decryption key has been installed. On the server side, initial = packets should not be processed after the first handshake packet from the= client has been received. There is a gray area in the server between sen= ding the first handshake packet and receiving the client handshake messag= e, especially if the server hello required transmission of several initia= l packets.

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Fixing this basically requires implicit ack of Initial packets, which I expect all implementations to do anyway. I'll try to create a PR.

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Martin points out that HRR makes this rather odd, because the client can't ACK the HRR, so the server has to send both the HRR and ServerHello in the second flight. Which is ok, but ugly.

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----==_mimepart_5bdd48e022c2c_a163fd2916d45b8120993-- From nobody Sat Nov 3 00:13:54 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D9F8124BE5 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2018 00:13:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YQyTbRT7c-DP for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2018 00:13:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F0F38129385 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2018 00:13:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2018 00:13:47 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541229227; bh=dAmoAMiNl+0PoNT6V0LSp2hwIDd3rn0JxJ9PIfQLXjQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=X446IDMikfpp6xFjrPhjddto5BOKYPUQ4bNFADMzu2jRQUjCe2z1lf/DL/oeddGRF bI+1xl00rAfasm69JjYqS5BRBo35RUtteteHlUbwzJFPmhP1DU6nifAdcDQnN6j4v0 n+SH9eQKnZT16c/q/B9ShmsmC8zcR2zdQY6dlTyM= From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Speed handshake recovery when only undecryptable packets arrive (#1414) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bdd4aabc4e43_7c243fbf43cd45b425406e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2018 07:13:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bdd4aabc4e43_7c243fbf43cd45b425406e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There's another case where this is occurs. Consider a server that has a really big cert. It first sends its Server Hello (which is lost), and then begins sending the certificate in Handshake packets (until it is blocked by the 3x limit). The client can't decrypt the Handshake packets, so at some point it will retransmit the Client Hello. When receiving the second Client Hello, the server has no way to distinguish between the case described above (1.) , and the case where the RTT is so long that the client retransmits the Client Hello before any of the server's packets arrive (2.). For 1., the server would want to retransmit the ServerHello. For 2. the server could use the additional bytes received to increase the 3x limit and continue sending the certificate. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1414#issuecomment-435566489 ----==_mimepart_5bdd4aabc4e43_7c243fbf43cd45b425406e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

There's another case where this is occurs.
Consider a server that has a really big cert. It first sends its Server H= ello (which is lost), and then begins sending the certificate in Handshak= e packets (until it is blocked by the 3x limit). The client can't decrypt= the Handshake packets, so at some point it will retransmit the Client He= llo.
When receiving the second Client Hello, the server has no way to distingu= ish between the case described above (1.) , and the case where the RTT is= so long that the client retransmits the Client Hello before any of the s= erver's packets arrive (2.).

For 1., the server would want to retransmit the ServerHello. For 2. th= e server could use the additional bytes received to increase the 3x limit= and continue sending the certificate.

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We're using capitalization for field names, not concepts. > -Either type of stream can be created by either endpoint, can concurrently send -data interleaved with other streams, and can be cancelled. +QUIC does not provide any means of ensuring ordering between octets on different +streams. Too early for this concept. > Streams can be created by sending data. Other processes associated with stream management - ending, cancelling, and managing flow control - are all designed to impose minimal overheads. For instance, a single STREAM frame ({{frame-stream}}) can open, carry data for, and close a stream. Streams can also be long-lived and can last the entire duration of a connection. -Stream offsets allow for the bytes on a stream to be placed in order. An -endpoint MUST be capable of delivering data received on a stream in order. -Implementations MAY choose to offer the ability to deliver data out of order. -There is no means of ensuring ordering between bytes on different streams. - -Streams are individually flow controlled, allowing an endpoint to limit memory -commitment and to apply back pressure. The creation of streams is also flow -controlled, with each peer declaring the maximum stream ID it is willing to -accept at a given time. +QUIC allows for an arbitrary number of streams to operate concurrently and for +an arbitrary amount of data to be sent on any stream, subject to flow control +constraints (see {{flow-control}}). Maybe the inter-stream ordering belongs here. > -## Stream Identifiers {#stream-id} +Streams can be unidirectional or bidirectional. Unidirectional streams carry +data in one direction: from the initiator of the stream to its peer. +Bidirectional streams allow for data to be sent in both directions. Streams can +be created by either endpoint, can concurrently send data interleaved with other +streams, and can be cancelled. Any stream can be initiated by either enndpoint. This might be better before the header. Concentrating this bit on identifiers might be easier. > -the protocol functions efficiently. That is, prioritizing frames other than -STREAM frames ensures that loss recovery, congestion control, and flow control -operate effectively. - -CRYPTO frames SHOULD be prioritized over other streams prior to the completion -of the cryptographic handshake. This includes the retransmission of the second -flight of client handshake messages, that is, the TLS Finished and any client -authentication messages. - -STREAM data in frames determined to be lost SHOULD be retransmitted before -sending new data, unless application priorities indicate otherwise. -Retransmitting lost stream data can fill in gaps, which allows the peer to -consume already received data and free up the flow control window. +resources to, the implementation SHOULD use the information provided by the +application. Failure to account for priority of streams can result in +suboptimal application performance. # Stream States: Life of a Stream {#stream-states} ```suggestion # Stream States {#stream-states} ``` > -Streams are identified by an unsigned 62-bit integer, referred to as the Stream -ID. Stream IDs are encoded as a variable-length integer (see -{{integer-encoding}}). The least significant two bits of the Stream ID are used -to identify the type of stream (unidirectional or bidirectional) and the -initiator of the stream. +Streams are identified within a connection by a numeric value, referred to as +the Stream ID. Stream IDs are unique to a stream: a QUIC endpoint MUST NOT ```suggestion the Stream ID. Stream IDs are unique to a stream. A QUIC endpoint MUST NOT ``` > - -The stream limit is specific to each endpoint and applies only to the peer that -receives the setting. That is, the client limits the number of streams of each -type the server can initiate, and the server limits the number of streams the -client can initiate. Each endpoint can respond on streams initiated by the -other peer, regardless of whether it is permitted to initiate new streams. - -Endpoints MUST NOT exceed the limit set by their peer. An endpoint that -receives a STREAM frame with an ID greater than the limit it has sent MUST treat -this as a stream error of type STREAM_LIMIT_ERROR ({{error-handling}}). - -A receiver cannot renege on an advertisement; that is, once a receiver -advertises a stream limit using the MAX_STREAMS frame, advertising a smaller -limit has no effect. A receiver MUST ignore any MAX_STREAMS frame that does -not increase the stream limit. +Within each type, streams are expected to be created with numerically increasing ```suggestion Within each type, streams are created with numerically increasing ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1950#pullrequestreview-171318802 ----==_mimepart_5bdd53cd7df9e_26c53fbe05cd45bc30428f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -240,178 +240,119 @@ x (*) ...
 =

 # Streams {#streams}
 =

-Streams in QUIC provide a lightweight, ordered byte-stream abstraction.
+<!-- TODO: Replace bytes with octets -->

we collectively decided on bytes

=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-<!-- TODO: Replace bytes with octets -->=
;

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

+<!-- Stream ID or stream ID -->

the latter. We're using capitalization for field names, not concepts.=

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

-Either type of stream can be created by either endpoint, can concurrentl=
y send
-data interleaved with other streams, and can be cancelled.
+QUIC does not provide any means of ensuring ordering between octets on d=
ifferent
+streams.

Too early for this concept.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

 Streams can be created by sending data. Other processes associated with =
stream
 management - ending, cancelling, and managing flow control - are all des=
igned to
 impose minimal overheads. For instance, a single STREAM frame ({{frame-s=
tream}})
 can open, carry data for, and close a stream. Streams can also be long-l=
ived and
 can last the entire duration of a connection.
 =

-Stream offsets allow for the bytes on a stream to be placed in order.  A=
n
-endpoint MUST be capable of delivering data received on a stream in orde=
r.
-Implementations MAY choose to offer the ability to deliver data out of o=
rder.
-There is no means of ensuring ordering between bytes on different stream=
s.
-
-Streams are individually flow controlled, allowing an endpoint to limit =
memory
-commitment and to apply back pressure.  The creation of streams is also =
flow
-controlled, with each peer declaring the maximum stream ID it is willing=
 to
-accept at a given time.
+QUIC allows for an arbitrary number of streams to operate concurrently a=
nd for
+an arbitrary amount of data to be sent on any stream, subject to flow co=
ntrol
+constraints (see {{flow-control}}).

Maybe the inter-stream ordering belongs here.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

-## Stream Identifiers {#stream-id}
+Streams can be unidirectional or bidirectional.  Unidirectional streams =
carry
+data in one direction: from the initiator of the stream to its peer.
+Bidirectional streams allow for data to be sent in both directions.  Str=
eams can
+be created by either endpoint, can concurrently send data interleaved wi=
th other
+streams, and can be cancelled.  Any stream can be initiated by either en=
ndpoint.

This might be better before the header. Concentrating this bit on ide= ntifiers might be easier.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -the protocol functions efficiently.  That=
 is, prioritizing frames other than
-STREAM frames ensures that loss recovery, congestion control, and flow c=
ontrol
-operate effectively.
-
-CRYPTO frames SHOULD be prioritized over other streams prior to the comp=
letion
-of the cryptographic handshake.  This includes the retransmission of the=
 second
-flight of client handshake messages, that is, the TLS Finished and any c=
lient
-authentication messages.
-
-STREAM data in frames determined to be lost SHOULD be retransmitted befo=
re
-sending new data, unless application priorities indicate otherwise.
-Retransmitting lost stream data can fill in gaps, which allows the peer =
to
-consume already received data and free up the flow control window.
+resources to, the implementation SHOULD use the information provided by =
the
+application.  Failure to account for priority of streams can result in
+suboptimal application performance.
 =

 =

 # Stream States: Life of a Stream {#stream-states}
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
- # Stream States: Life of a Stream {#stream-s=
tates}
+# Stream States {#stream-states}

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

-Streams are identified by an unsigned 62-bit integer, referred to as the=
 Stream
-ID.  Stream IDs are encoded as a variable-length integer (see
-{{integer-encoding}}).  The least significant two bits of the Stream ID =
are used
-to identify the type of stream (unidirectional or bidirectional) and the=

-initiator of the stream.
+Streams are identified within a connection by a numeric value, referred =
to as
+the Stream ID.  Stream IDs are unique to a stream: a QUIC endpoint MUST =
NOT
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-the Stream ID.  Stream IDs are unique to a st=
ream: a QUIC endpoint MUST NOT
+the Stream ID.  Stream IDs are unique to a stream. A QUIC endpoint MUST =
NOT

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -
-The stream limit is specific to each endpoint and applies only to the pe=
er that
-receives the setting.  That is, the client limits the number of streams =
of each
-type the server can initiate, and the server limits the number of stream=
s the
-client can initiate.  Each endpoint can respond on streams initiated by =
the
-other peer, regardless of whether it is permitted to initiate new stream=
s.
-
-Endpoints MUST NOT exceed the limit set by their peer.  An endpoint that=

-receives a STREAM frame with an ID greater than the limit it has sent MU=
ST treat
-this as a stream error of type STREAM_LIMIT_ERROR ({{error-handling}}).
-
-A receiver cannot renege on an advertisement; that is, once a receiver
-advertises a stream limit using the MAX_STREAMS frame, advertising a sma=
ller
-limit has no effect.  A receiver MUST ignore any MAX_STREAMS frame that =
does
-not increase the stream limit.
+Within each type, streams are expected to be created with numerically in=
creasing
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
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Endpoints send STREAM frames, -which encapsulate data for a stream. STREAM frames carry a flag that can be used -to signal the end of a stream. +Endpoints use STREAM frames to encapsulate data sent by an application on a +stream ({{frame-stream}}). An endpoint uses the stream ID and offset fields in a STREAM frames ({{frame-stream}}) encapsulate data sent by an application. An endpoint uses the Stream ID and Offset fields in STREAM frames to place data in order. > -QUIC makes no specific allowances for partial reliability or delivery of stream -data out of order. Endpoints MUST be able to deliver stream data to an -application as an ordered byte-stream. Delivering an ordered byte-stream -requires that an endpoint buffer any data that is received out of order, up to -the advertised flow control limit. +An endpoint could receive data for a stream at the same stream offset multiple +times; data that has already been received can be discarded. The data at a ```suggestion times. Data that has already been received can be discarded. The data at a ``` > -the protocol functions efficiently. That is, prioritizing frames other than -STREAM frames ensures that loss recovery, congestion control, and flow control -operate effectively. - -CRYPTO frames SHOULD be prioritized over other streams prior to the completion -of the cryptographic handshake. This includes the retransmission of the second -flight of client handshake messages, that is, the TLS Finished and any client -authentication messages. - -STREAM data in frames determined to be lost SHOULD be retransmitted before -sending new data, unless application priorities indicate otherwise. -Retransmitting lost stream data can fill in gaps, which allows the peer to -consume already received data and free up the flow control window. +resources to, the implementation SHOULD use the information provided by the +application. Failure to account for priority of streams can result in +suboptimal application performance. Drop the last sentence. > @@ -420,8 +361,9 @@ conditions for opening a stream are slightly more complex for a bidirectional stream because the opening of either send or receive sides causes the stream to open in both directions. -An endpoint can open streams up to its maximum stream limit in any order, -however endpoints SHOULD open the send side of streams for each type in order. +An endpoint can open streams up to its maximum stream limit in any order of +stream ID. However, within each type, endpoints SHOULD open the send side of +streams in numerically increasing order of stream ID. I think that this text was rotten to begin with. There might be a simpler statement. "An endpoint MUST open streams of the same type in increasing order of stream ID." -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

 ## Sending and Receiving Data
 =

-Endpoints uses streams to send and receive data. Endpoints send STREAM f=
rames,
-which encapsulate data for a stream. STREAM frames carry a flag that can=
 be used
-to signal the end of a stream.
+Endpoints use STREAM frames to encapsulate data sent by an application o=
n a
+stream ({{frame-stream}}). An endpoint uses the stream ID and offset fie=
lds in a

STREAM frames ({{frame-stream}}) encapsulate data sent by an applicati= on. An endpoint uses the Stream ID and Offset fields in STREAM frames to= place data in order.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

-QUIC makes no specific allowances for partial reliability or delivery of=
 stream
-data out of order.  Endpoints MUST be able to deliver stream data to an
-application as an ordered byte-stream.  Delivering an ordered byte-strea=
m
-requires that an endpoint buffer any data that is received out of order,=
 up to
-the advertised flow control limit.
+An endpoint could receive data for a stream at the same stream offset mu=
ltiple
+times; data that has already been received can be discarded.  The data a=
t a
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-times; data that has already been received ca=
n be discarded.  The data at a
+times. Data that has already been received can be discarded.  The data a=
t a

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -the protocol functions efficiently.  That=
 is, prioritizing frames other than
-STREAM frames ensures that loss recovery, congestion control, and flow c=
ontrol
-operate effectively.
-
-CRYPTO frames SHOULD be prioritized over other streams prior to the comp=
letion
-of the cryptographic handshake.  This includes the retransmission of the=
 second
-flight of client handshake messages, that is, the TLS Finished and any c=
lient
-authentication messages.
-
-STREAM data in frames determined to be lost SHOULD be retransmitted befo=
re
-sending new data, unless application priorities indicate otherwise.
-Retransmitting lost stream data can fill in gaps, which allows the peer =
to
-consume already received data and free up the flow control window.
+resources to, the implementation SHOULD use the information provided by =
the
+application.  Failure to account for priority of streams can result in
+suboptimal application performance.

Drop the last sentence.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -420,8 +361,9 @@ conditions for opening=
 a stream are slightly more complex for a bidirectional
 stream because the opening of either send or receive sides causes the st=
ream
 to open in both directions.
 =

-An endpoint can open streams up to its maximum stream limit in any order=
,
-however endpoints SHOULD open the send side of streams for each type in =
order.
+An endpoint can open streams up to its maximum stream limit in any order=
 of
+stream ID. However, within each type, endpoints SHOULD open the send sid=
e of
+streams in numerically increasing order of stream ID.

I think that this text was rotten to begin with. There might be a sim= pler statement.

"An endpoint MUST open streams of the same type in increasing order of= stream ID."

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That means that receipt of a frame that would open a stream causes all -lower-numbered streams of the same type to be opened in numeric order. This -ensures that the creation order for streams is consistent on both endpoints. +Before creating a stream, all streams of the same type with lower-numbered +stream IDs MUST be created. This means that receipt of a frame that would open +a stream causes all streams of the same type with lower-numbered stream IDs to +be opened in numeric order. This ensures that the creation order for streams is Drop the middle sentence of this paragraph. > @@ -640,19 +584,23 @@ STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED ({{frame-stream-data-blocked}}), and RST_STREAM A sender MUST NOT send any of these frames from a terminal state ("Data Recvd" or "Reset Recvd"). A sender MUST NOT send STREAM or STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED after -sending a RST_STREAM; that is, in the "Reset Sent" state in addition to the -terminal states. A receiver could receive any of these frames in any state, but -only due to the possibility of delayed delivery of packets carrying them. +sending a RST_STREAM; that is, in the terminal states and in the "Reset Sent" +state. + +A receiver could receive any of these three frames in any state, due to the "these three frames" refers to something in another paragraph, so I think that your split should be reverted. > The receiver of a stream sends MAX_STREAM_DATA ({{frame-max-stream-data}}) and STOP_SENDING frames ({{frame-stop-sending}}). The receiver only sends MAX_STREAM_DATA in the "Recv" state. A receiver can send STOP_SENDING in any state where it has not received a RST_STREAM frame; that is states other than "Reset Recvd" or "Reset Read". However there is -little value in sending a STOP_SENDING frame after all stream data has been -received in the "Data Recvd" state. A sender could receive these frames in any -state as a result of delayed delivery of packets. +little value in sending a STOP_SENDING frame in the "Data Recvd" state, since +all stream data has been received. + +A sender could receive either of these two frames in any state as a result of +delayed delivery of packets. Same as previous. > # Flow Control {#flow-control} -It is necessary to limit the amount of data that a sender may have outstanding -at any time, so as to prevent a fast sender from overwhelming a slow receiver, -or to prevent a malicious sender from consuming significant resources at a -receiver. To this end, QUIC employs a credit-based flow-control scheme similar -to that in HTTP/2 {{?HTTP2}}. A receiver advertises the number of bytes it is -prepared to receive on a given stream and for the entire connection. This leads -to two levels of flow control in QUIC: +It is necessary to limit the amount of data that a receiver may have to buffer, ```suggestion It is necessary to limit the amount of data that a receiver could buffer, ``` > # Flow Control {#flow-control} -It is necessary to limit the amount of data that a sender may have outstanding -at any time, so as to prevent a fast sender from overwhelming a slow receiver, -or to prevent a malicious sender from consuming significant resources at a -receiver. To this end, QUIC employs a credit-based flow-control scheme similar -to that in HTTP/2 {{?HTTP2}}. A receiver advertises the number of bytes it is -prepared to receive on a given stream and for the entire connection. This leads -to two levels of flow control in QUIC: +It is necessary to limit the amount of data that a receiver may have to buffer, +so as to prevent a fast sender from overwhelming a slow receiver, or to prevent ```suggestion to prevent a fast sender from overwhelming a slow receiver, or to prevent ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1950#pullrequestreview-171320303 ----==_mimepart_5bdd59fa1eca1_7c5b3fbf43cd45b435782b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

-Before creating a stream, all lower-numbered streams of the same type MU=
ST be
-created.  That means that receipt of a frame that would open a stream ca=
uses all
-lower-numbered streams of the same type to be opened in numeric order.  =
This
-ensures that the creation order for streams is consistent on both endpoi=
nts.
+Before creating a stream, all streams of the same type with lower-number=
ed
+stream IDs MUST be created.  This means that receipt of a frame that wou=
ld open
+a stream causes all streams of the same type with lower-numbered stream =
IDs to
+be opened in numeric order.  This ensures that the creation order for st=
reams is

Drop the middle sentence of this paragraph.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -640,19 +584,23 @@ STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED =
({{frame-stream-data-blocked}}), and RST_STREAM
 =

 A sender MUST NOT send any of these frames from a terminal state ("=
Data Recvd"
 or "Reset Recvd").  A sender MUST NOT send STREAM or STREAM_DA=
TA_BLOCKED after
-sending a RST_STREAM; that is, in the "Reset Sent" state in ad=
dition to the
-terminal states.  A receiver could receive any of these frames in any st=
ate, but
-only due to the possibility of delayed delivery of packets carrying them=
.
+sending a RST_STREAM; that is, in the terminal states and in the "R=
eset Sent"
+state.
+
+A receiver could receive any of these three frames in any state, due to =
the

"these three frames" refers to something in another paragraph, so I th= ink that your split should be reverted.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

 The receiver of a stream sends MAX_STREAM_DATA ({{frame-max-stream-data}=
}) and
 STOP_SENDING frames ({{frame-stop-sending}}).
 =

 The receiver only sends MAX_STREAM_DATA in the "Recv" state.  =
A receiver can
 send STOP_SENDING in any state where it has not received a RST_STREAM fr=
ame;
 that is states other than "Reset Recvd" or "Reset Read&qu=
ot;.  However there is
-little value in sending a STOP_SENDING frame after all stream data has b=
een
-received in the "Data Recvd" state.  A sender could receive th=
ese frames in any
-state as a result of delayed delivery of packets.
+little value in sending a STOP_SENDING frame in the "Data Recvd&quo=
t; state, since
+all stream data has been received.
+
+A sender could receive either of these two frames in any state as a resu=
lt of
+delayed delivery of packets.

Same as previous.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

 # Flow Control {#flow-control}
 =

-It is necessary to limit the amount of data that a sender may have outst=
anding
-at any time, so as to prevent a fast sender from overwhelming a slow rec=
eiver,
-or to prevent a malicious sender from consuming significant resources at=
 a
-receiver.  To this end, QUIC employs a credit-based flow-control scheme =
similar
-to that in HTTP/2 {{?HTTP2}}.  A receiver advertises the number of bytes=
 it is
-prepared to receive on a given stream and for the entire connection.  Th=
is leads
-to two levels of flow control in QUIC:
+It is necessary to limit the amount of data that a receiver may have to =
buffer,
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-It is necessary to limit the amount of data t=
hat a receiver may have to buffer,
+It is necessary to limit the amount of data that a receiver could buffer=
,

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

 # Flow Control {#flow-control}
 =

-It is necessary to limit the amount of data that a sender may have outst=
anding
-at any time, so as to prevent a fast sender from overwhelming a slow rec=
eiver,
-or to prevent a malicious sender from consuming significant resources at=
 a
-receiver.  To this end, QUIC employs a credit-based flow-control scheme =
similar
-to that in HTTP/2 {{?HTTP2}}.  A receiver advertises the number of bytes=
 it is
-prepared to receive on a given stream and for the entire connection.  Th=
is leads
-to two levels of flow control in QUIC:
+It is necessary to limit the amount of data that a receiver may have to =
buffer,
+so as to prevent a fast sender from overwhelming a slow receiver, or to =
prevent
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-so as to prevent a fast sender from overwhelm=
ing a slow receiver, or to prevent
+to prevent a fast sender from overwhelming a slow receiver, or to preven=
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= = ----==_mimepart_5bdd59fa1eca1_7c5b3fbf43cd45b435782b-- From nobody Sat Nov 3 01:51:13 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6D7112958B for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2018 01:51:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, GB_SUMOF=5, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id adyzNA_aq-21 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2018 01:51:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D154012426A for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2018 01:51:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2018 01:51:07 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541235067; bh=LlKBvfQONYAyhcig2cYhbHe8uc/na/atF6FWR+STwqM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=hJEZ/6weeKByeXNKvtAyIdPEK8J6XipKuk7iHUmntJjpkp4srN8Na7r0FiLziCCPy k9h00KkyVXo4KzzQO82CFOO3AMyj+z4yqv6gHHm8ggXLZyO2C3FOX4Uy8ujdP6xeJm BqPfWSx5GoEp6QR+HHUsJVA43Kq2Gknu5/3NiUxM= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Editorial rework of streams sections (#1950) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bdd617b10509_c9f3f9f32cd45b864347"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2018 08:51:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bdd617b10509_c9f3f9f32cd45b864347 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson approved this pull request. > - -A receiver MAY advertise a larger offset at any point by sending MAX_STREAM_DATA -or MAX_DATA frames. A receiver cannot renege on an advertisement; that is, once -a receiver advertises an offset, advertising a smaller offset has no effect. A -sender MUST therefore ignore any MAX_STREAM_DATA or MAX_DATA frames that do not -increase flow control limits. +with the Stream ID set appropriately. A MAX_STREAM_DATA frame indicates the +maximum absolute byte offset of a stream. A receiver could use the current +offset of data consumed to determine the flow control offset to be advertised. +A receiver MAY send MAX_STREAM_DATA frames in multiple packets in order to make +sure that the sender receives an update before running out of flow control +credit, even if one of the packets is lost. + +A receiver advertises credit for a connection by sending a MAX_DATA frame, which +indicates the maximum of the sum of the absolute byte offsets of all streams. A +receiver maintains a cumulative sum of bytes received on all contributing ```suggestion receiver maintains a cumulative sum of bytes received on all ``` > @@ -831,29 +768,46 @@ larger resource commitments at the receiver. Thus there is a trade-off between resource commitment and overhead when determining how large a limit is advertised. -A receiver MAY use an autotuning mechanism to tune the frequency and amount that -it increases data limits based on a round-trip time estimate and the rate at -which the receiving application consumes data, similar to common TCP -implementations. +A receiver MAY use an autotuning mechanism to tune the frequency and amount of +advertised additional credit. The cut here might be too much. I'd say either cut the whole paragraph, or keep it. I think keeping it is best. > -If a sender runs out of flow control credit, it will be unable to send new -data. That is, the sender is blocked. A blocked sender SHOULD send a -STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or DATA_BLOCKED frame. A receiver uses these frames for -debugging purposes. A receiver MUST NOT wait for a STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or -DATA_BLOCKED frame before sending MAX_STREAM_DATA or MAX_DATA, since doing so -will mean that a sender will be blocked for an entire round trip and the peer -might never send a STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or DATA_BLOCKED frame. +If a sender runs out of flow control credit, it will be unable to send new data +and is considered blocked. It is generally considered best to not let the +sender go into quiescence. To avoid blocking a sender, and to reasonably ```suggestion sender to become blocked. To avoid blocking a sender, and to reasonably ``` > -A sender sends a single STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or DATA_BLOCKED frame only once when -it reaches a data limit. A sender SHOULD NOT send multiple STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED -or DATA_BLOCKED frames for the same data limit, unless the original frame is -determined to be lost. Another STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or DATA_BLOCKED frame can be -sent after the data limit is increased. + +## Handling Stream Cancellation {#stream-cancellation} + +Given enough time, both endpoints must agree on flow control state, to avoid Endpoints need to eventually agree on the amount of flow control credit that has been consumed, to avoid either exceeding limits or deadlocking. > @@ -2762,6 +2719,28 @@ streams as necessary in outgoing packets without losing transmission efficiency to underfilled packets. +## Frame Priority {#frame-priority} + +Often, there will be limits on what can be transmitted as a result of connection +flow control or the current congestion controller state. + +Giving preference to the transmission of its own management functions ensures +that a protocol functions efficiently. That is, prioritizing frames other than +STREAM frames ensures that loss recovery, congestion control, and flow control +operate effectively. + +CRYPTO frames SHOULD be prioritized over STREAM frames prior to the completion +of the cryptographic handshake. This includes the retransmission of the second You already effectively said this in the last paragraph, so I think that you might want to drop this paragraph. > @@ -4838,9 +4816,11 @@ Stream Data: When a Stream Data field has a length of 0, the offset in the STREAM frame is the offset of the next byte that would be sent. -The first byte in the stream has an offset of 0. The largest offset delivered -on a stream - the sum of the re-constructed offset and data length - MUST be -less than 2^62. +When new data is to be sent on a stream, a sender MUST set the encapsulating +STREAM frame's offset field to the stream offset of the first byte of this new +data. The first byte in the stream has an offset of 0. The largest offset +delivered on a stream - the sum of the re-constructed offset and data length - ```suggestion delivered on a stream - the sum of the offset and data length - ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1950#pullrequestreview-171320545 ----==_mimepart_5bdd617b10509_c9f3f9f32cd45b864347 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@martinthomson approved this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -
-A receiver MAY advertise a larger offset at any point by sending MAX_STR=
EAM_DATA
-or MAX_DATA frames.  A receiver cannot renege on an advertisement; that =
is, once
-a receiver advertises an offset, advertising a smaller offset has no eff=
ect.  A
-sender MUST therefore ignore any MAX_STREAM_DATA or MAX_DATA frames that=
 do not
-increase flow control limits.
+with the Stream ID set appropriately.  A MAX_STREAM_DATA frame indicates=
 the
+maximum absolute byte offset of a stream.  A receiver could use the curr=
ent
+offset of data consumed to determine the flow control offset to be adver=
tised.
+A receiver MAY send MAX_STREAM_DATA frames in multiple packets in order =
to make
+sure that the sender receives an update before running out of flow contr=
ol
+credit, even if one of the packets is lost.
+
+A receiver advertises credit for a connection by sending a MAX_DATA fram=
e, which
+indicates the maximum of the sum of the absolute byte offsets of all str=
eams.  A
+receiver maintains a cumulative sum of bytes received on all contributin=
g
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-receiver maintains a cumulative sum of bytes =
received on all contributing
+receiver maintains a cumulative sum of bytes received on all

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -831,29 +768,46 @@ larger resource comm=
itments at the receiver.  Thus there is a trade-off between
 resource commitment and overhead when determining how large a limit is
 advertised.
 =

-A receiver MAY use an autotuning mechanism to tune the frequency and amo=
unt that
-it increases data limits based on a round-trip time estimate and the rat=
e at
-which the receiving application consumes data, similar to common TCP
-implementations.
+A receiver MAY use an autotuning mechanism to tune the frequency and amo=
unt of
+advertised additional credit.

The cut here might be too much. I'd say either cut the whole paragrap= h, or keep it. I think keeping it is best.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

-If a sender runs out of flow control credit, it will be unable to send n=
ew
-data. That is, the sender is blocked. A blocked sender SHOULD send a
-STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or DATA_BLOCKED frame.  A receiver uses these frames=
 for
-debugging purposes.  A receiver MUST NOT wait for a STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED =
or
-DATA_BLOCKED frame before sending MAX_STREAM_DATA or MAX_DATA, since doi=
ng so
-will mean that a sender will be blocked for an entire round trip and the=
 peer
-might never send a STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or DATA_BLOCKED frame.
+If a sender runs out of flow control credit, it will be unable to send n=
ew data
+and is considered blocked.  It is generally considered best to not let t=
he
+sender go into quiescence.  To avoid blocking a sender, and to reasonabl=
y
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-sender go into quiescence.  To avoid blocking=
 a sender, and to reasonably
+sender to become blocked.  To avoid blocking a sender, and to reasonably=

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

-A sender sends a single STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or DATA_BLOCKED frame only o=
nce when
-it reaches a data limit.  A sender SHOULD NOT send multiple STREAM_DATA_=
BLOCKED
-or DATA_BLOCKED frames for the same data limit, unless the original fram=
e is
-determined to be lost.  Another STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or DATA_BLOCKED fram=
e can be
-sent after the data limit is increased.
+
+## Handling Stream Cancellation {#stream-cancellation}
+
+Given enough time, both endpoints must agree on flow control state, to a=
void

Endpoints need to eventually agree on the amount of flow control credi= t that has been consumed, to avoid either exceeding limits or deadlocking= .

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2762,6 +2719,28 @@ streams as necessar=
y in outgoing packets without losing transmission efficiency
 to underfilled packets.
 =

 =

+## Frame Priority {#frame-priority}
+
+Often, there will be limits on what can be transmitted as a result of co=
nnection
+flow control or the current congestion controller state.
+
+Giving preference to the transmission of its own management functions en=
sures
+that a protocol functions efficiently.  That is, prioritizing frames oth=
er than
+STREAM frames ensures that loss recovery, congestion control, and flow c=
ontrol
+operate effectively.
+
+CRYPTO frames SHOULD be prioritized over STREAM frames prior to the comp=
letion
+of the cryptographic handshake.  This includes the retransmission of the=
 second

You already effectively said this in the last paragraph, so I think th= at you might want to drop this paragraph.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4838,9 +4816,11 @@ Stream Data:
 When a Stream Data field has a length of 0, the offset in the STREAM fra=
me is
 the offset of the next byte that would be sent.
 =

-The first byte in the stream has an offset of 0.  The largest offset del=
ivered
-on a stream - the sum of the re-constructed offset and data length - MUS=
T be
-less than 2^62.
+When new data is to be sent on a stream, a sender MUST set the encapsula=
ting
+STREAM frame's offset field to the stream offset of the first byte o=
f this new
+data.  The first byte in the stream has an offset of 0.  The largest off=
set
+delivered on a stream - the sum of the re-constructed offset and data le=
ngth -
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-delivered on a stream - the sum of the re-con=
structed offset and data length -
+delivered on a stream - the sum of the offset and data length -

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= = ----==_mimepart_5bdd617b10509_c9f3f9f32cd45b864347-- From nobody Sat Nov 3 01:54:55 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04E44124BAA for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2018 01:54:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DEo_wZzQahAu for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2018 01:54:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C8F612426A for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2018 01:54:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2018 01:54:50 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541235290; bh=joz8fwTOm+magJ6h5+M2cfnOUByfntQKVUOiC/lINHk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=PaV19cGoMFufrz88ioPjczsiqMrRcUWSaVQ6DG6eRZugMcn3FlrbQF0biNNUtwoMz hnQtItO7KZCpkuezV9r9LlnqPa97e51SjVcJKcjMdN0RnyH+q3M/VLjR6Hcghex2eQ toRi+YrVWRD57T1cN3T7yFhNk6kg/i1dTU/H99pU= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Disconnect with Initial Injection (#1951) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bdd625aec7c7_72c03fe4248d45bc136850"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2018 08:54:54 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bdd625aec7c7_72c03fe4248d45bc136850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think there are two issues that are interacting. We want to limit what the server sends without some continuity test, to prevent amplification attacks. And then we want to prevent injection of initial packets after the handshake key is set, in order to prevent DOS on the connection. The HRR/ServerHello issue is tied to amplification attack prevention. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1951#issuecomment-435571859 ----==_mimepart_5bdd625aec7c7_72c03fe4248d45bc136850 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-There are two basic types of stream in QUIC.  Unidirectional streams carry data
-in one direction: from the initiator of the stream to its peer;
-bidirectional streams allow for data to be sent in both directions.  Different
-stream identifiers are used to distinguish between unidirectional and
-bidirectional streams, as well as to create a separation between streams that
-are initiated by the client and server (see {{stream-id}}).
+Streams in QUIC provide a lightweight, ordered byte-stream abstraction to an
+application. An alternative view of QUIC streams is as an elastic "message"
+abstraction, similar to the way ephemeral streams are used in SST
+{{?SST=DOI.10.1145/1282427.1282421}}, which may be a more appealing description

SST is a very dense description that may not be very helpful as an introduction for most users.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

-Either type of stream can be created by either endpoint, can concurrentl=
y send
-data interleaved with other streams, and can be cancelled.
+QUIC does not provide any means of ensuring ordering between octets on d=
ifferent
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-QUIC does not provide any means of ensuring o=
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+QUIC does not provide any means of ensuring ordering between bytes on di=
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@mikkelfj commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

 Streams can be created by sending data. Other processes associated with =
stream
 management - ending, cancelling, and managing flow control - are all des=
igned to
 impose minimal overheads. For instance, a single STREAM frame ({{frame-s=
tream}})
 can open, carry data for, and close a stream. Streams can also be long-l=
ived and
 can last the entire duration of a connection.
 =

-Stream offsets allow for the bytes on a stream to be placed in order.  A=
n
-endpoint MUST be capable of delivering data received on a stream in orde=
r.
-Implementations MAY choose to offer the ability to deliver data out of o=
rder.
-There is no means of ensuring ordering between bytes on different stream=
s.
-
-Streams are individually flow controlled, allowing an endpoint to limit =
memory
-commitment and to apply back pressure.  The creation of streams is also =
flow
-controlled, with each peer declaring the maximum stream ID it is willing=
 to
-accept at a given time.
+QUIC allows for an arbitrary number of streams to operate concurrently a=
nd for
+an arbitrary amount of data to be sent on any stream, subject to flow co=
ntrol
+constraints (see {{flow-control}}).
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-constraints (see {{flow-control}}).
+constraints (see {{flow-control}}) and a 62-bit stream offset limit.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2762,6 +2719,28 @@ streams as necessary in outgoing packets without losing transmission efficiency
 to underfilled packets.
 
 
+## Frame Priority {#frame-priority}
+
+Often, there will be limits on what can be transmitted as a result of connection
+flow control or the current congestion controller state.
+
+Giving preference to the transmission of its own management functions ensures
+that a protocol functions efficiently.  That is, prioritizing frames other than
+STREAM frames ensures that loss recovery, congestion control, and flow control
+operate effectively.
+
+CRYPTO frames SHOULD be prioritized over STREAM frames prior to the completion
+of the cryptographic handshake.  This includes the retransmission of the second

I think this paragraph is good to have since it is more specific. We can drop the previous paragraph, which is simply general advice.

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The frame layout is defined as below, placing Sequence Number between Length field (that designates the length of the Connection ID field) and the Connection ID field.

This is wired. We should move Sequence Number to front so that Length and Connection ID become adjacent fields.

 0                   1                   2                   3
 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|   Length (8)  |            Sequence Number (i)              ...
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|                    Connection ID (32..144)                  ...
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|                                                               |
+                                                               +
|                                                               |
+                   Stateless Reset Token (128)                 +
|                                                               |
+                                                               +
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Streams are identified by an unsigned 62-bit integer, referred to as the Stream
-ID.  Stream IDs are encoded as a variable-length integer (see
-{{integer-encoding}}).  The least significant two bits of the Stream ID are used
-to identify the type of stream (unidirectional or bidirectional) and the
-initiator of the stream.
+Streams are identified within a connection by a numeric value, referred to as
+the Stream ID.  Stream IDs are unique to a stream: a QUIC endpoint MUST NOT
+reuse a Stream ID within a connection.  Stream IDs are encoded as a
+variable-length integer (see {{integer-encoding}}).

plural integers

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -The stream limit is specific to each endp=
oint and applies only to the peer that
-receives the setting.  That is, the client limits the number of streams =
of each
-type the server can initiate, and the server limits the number of stream=
s the
-client can initiate.  Each endpoint can respond on streams initiated by =
the
-other peer, regardless of whether it is permitted to initiate new stream=
s.
-
-Endpoints MUST NOT exceed the limit set by their peer.  An endpoint that=

-receives a STREAM frame with an ID greater than the limit it has sent MU=
ST treat
-this as a stream error of type STREAM_LIMIT_ERROR ({{error-handling}}).
-
-A receiver cannot renege on an advertisement; that is, once a receiver
-advertises a stream limit using the MAX_STREAMS frame, advertising a sma=
ller
-limit has no effect.  A receiver MUST ignore any MAX_STREAMS frame that =
does
-not increase the stream limit.
+Within each type, streams are expected to be created with numerically in=
creasing
+Stream IDs.  A Stream ID that is used out of order results in all stream=
s of
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-Stream IDs.  A Stream ID that is used out of =
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

-The RST_STREAM frame is as follows:
+A connection will time out if no packets are sent or received for a peri=
od
+longer than the time specified in the idle_timeout transport parameter (=
see
+{{termination}}).  However, state in middleboxes might time out earlier =
than
+that.  Though REQ-5 in {{?RFC4787}} recommends a 2 minute timeout interv=
al,
+experience shows that sending packets every 15 to 30 seconds is necessar=
y to
+prevent the majority of middleboxes from losing state for UDP flows.
+
+
+## ACK Frame {#frame-ack}
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-## ACK Frame {#frame-ack}
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

+A sender SHOULD send a STREAMS_BLOCKED frame (type=3D0x16 or 0x17) when =
it wishes
+to open a stream, but is unable to due to the maximum stream limit set b=
y its
+peer (see {{frame-max-streams}}).  A STREAMS_BLOCKED frame of type 0x16 =
is used
+to indicate reaching the bidirectional stream limit; a STREAMS_BLOCKED f=
rame of
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-to indicate reaching the bidirectional stream=
 limit; a STREAMS_BLOCKED frame of
+to indicate reaching the bidirectional stream limit, and a STREAMS_BLOCK=
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

-Version Negotiation and Retry packets cannot be acknowledged because the=
y do not
-contain a packet number.  Rather than relying on ACK frames, these packe=
ts are
-implicitly acknowledged by the next Initial packet sent by the client.
+The MAX_STREAMS frames (type=3D0x12 and 0x13) inform the peer of the num=
ber of
+streams it is permitted to open.  A MAX_STREAMS frame with a type of 0x1=
2
+applies to bidirectional streams; a MAX_STREAMS frame with a type of 0x1=
3
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-applies to bidirectional streams; a MAX_STREA=
MS frame with a type of 0x13
+applies to bidirectional streams, and a MAX_STREAMS frame with a type of=
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This document -describes connection establishment, packet format, multiplexing, and -reliability. Accompanying documents describe the cryptographic handshake and -loss detection. +This document describes the core of the QUIC transport protocol. Accompanying I think that definition >> description here. > @@ -92,10 +92,9 @@ informative: --- abstract -This document defines the core of the QUIC transport protocol. This document -describes connection establishment, packet format, multiplexing, and -reliability. Accompanying documents describe the cryptographic handshake and -loss detection. +This document describes the core of the QUIC transport protocol. Accompanying +documents describe QUIC's loss detection and congestion control +{{QUIC-RECOVERY}}, and the use of TLS 1.3 for key negotiation {{QUIC-TLS}}. ```suggestion {{QUIC-RECOVERY}} and the use of TLS 1.3 for key negotiation {{QUIC-TLS}}. ``` > - {{packets-frames}} describes concepts related to packets and frames, - {{packetization}} defines models for the transmission, retransmission, and - acknowledgement of information, and - - {{packet-size}} contains a rules for managing the size of packets. + acknowledgement of packets and frames, and If you make this change, then I think that just packets is less confusing. ```suggestion acknowledgement of packets, and ``` > ## Conventions and Definitions -The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", +### Keywords No empty sections please. ```suggestion ``` > "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "NOT RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in BCP 14 {{!RFC2119}} {{!RFC8174}} when, and only when, they appear in all capitals, as shown here. -Definitions of terms that are used in this document: +### Terms ```suggestion ``` > Endpoint: -: The client or server end of a connection. +: An entity that can participate in a QUIC conversation by generating, + receiving, and fully processing QUIC packets. There are only two types of ```suggestion receiving, and processing QUIC packets. There are only two types of ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1949#pullrequestreview-171318484 ----==_mimepart_5bdd6b5934f7a_433c3fb9df4d45bc28536 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -92,10 +92,9 @@ informative:
 =

 --- abstract
 =

-This document defines the core of the QUIC transport protocol.  This doc=
ument
-describes connection establishment, packet format, multiplexing, and
-reliability.  Accompanying documents describe the cryptographic handshak=
e and
-loss detection.
+This document describes the core of the QUIC transport protocol.  Accomp=
anying

I think that definition >> description here.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -92,10 +92,9 @@ informative:
 =

 --- abstract
 =

-This document defines the core of the QUIC transport protocol.  This doc=
ument
-describes connection establishment, packet format, multiplexing, and
-reliability.  Accompanying documents describe the cryptographic handshak=
e and
-loss detection.
+This document describes the core of the QUIC transport protocol.  Accomp=
anying
+documents describe QUIC's loss detection and congestion control
+{{QUIC-RECOVERY}}, and the use of TLS 1.3 for key negotiation {{QUIC-TLS=
}}.
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-{{QUIC-RECOVERY}}, and the use of TLS 1.3 for=
 key negotiation {{QUIC-TLS}}.
+{{QUIC-RECOVERY}} and the use of TLS 1.3 for key negotiation {{QUIC-TLS}=
}.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>    - {{packets-frames}} describes concepts=
 related to packets and frames,
   - {{packetization}} defines models for the transmission, retransmissio=
n, and
-    acknowledgement of information, and
-  - {{packet-size}} contains a rules for managing the size of packets.
+    acknowledgement of packets and frames, and

If you make this change, then I think that just packets is less confus= ing.

=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-    acknowledgement of packets and frames, an=
d
+    acknowledgement of packets, and

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

 =

 ## Conventions and Definitions
 =

-The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED&quo=
t;, "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD",
+### Keywords

No empty sections please.

=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-### Keywords

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED=
", "NOT RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL&=
quot; in this
 document are to be interpreted as described in BCP 14 {{!RFC2119}} {{!RF=
C8174}}
 when, and only when, they appear in all capitals, as shown here.
 =

-Definitions of terms that are used in this document:
+### Terms
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-### Terms

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

 Endpoint:
 =

-: The client or server end of a connection.
+: An entity that can participate in a QUIC conversation by generating,
+  receiving, and fully processing QUIC packets. There are only two types=
 of
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-  receiving, and fully processing QUIC packet=
s. There are only two types of
+  receiving, and processing QUIC packets. There are only two types of

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

-: A variable-length integer indicating the stream limit at the time the =
frame
-  was sent.
+* The OFF bit (0x04) in the frame type is set to indicate that there is =
an
+  Offset field present.  When set to 1, the Offset field is present; whe=
n set to
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-  Offset field present.  When set to 1, the O=
ffset field is present; when set to
+  Offset field present.  When set to 1, the Offset field is present.  Wh=
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

 =

-## Notational Conventions
+### Notational Conventions
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -the protocol functions efficiently.  That=
 is, prioritizing frames other than
-STREAM frames ensures that loss recovery, congestion control, and flow c=
ontrol
-operate effectively.
-
-CRYPTO frames SHOULD be prioritized over other streams prior to the comp=
letion
-of the cryptographic handshake.  This includes the retransmission of the=
 second
-flight of client handshake messages, that is, the TLS Finished and any c=
lient
-authentication messages.
-
-STREAM data in frames determined to be lost SHOULD be retransmitted befo=
re
-sending new data, unless application priorities indicate otherwise.
-Retransmitting lost stream data can fill in gaps, which allows the peer =
to
-consume already received data and free up the flow control window.
+resources to, the implementation SHOULD use the information provided by =
the
+application.  Failure to account for priority of streams can result in
+suboptimal application performance.
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-suboptimal application performance.
+suboptimal application performance, and potentially starvation or deadlo=
cks.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2698,24 +2698,24 @@ frames are explained in more detail in {{frame-formats}}.
 | Type Value  | Frame Type Name      | Definition                     |
 |:------------|:---------------------|:-------------------------------|
 | 0x00        | PADDING              | {{frame-padding}}              |

0 was used for padding intentionally. calloc() and write-in-place implementations are easier this way.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -420,8 +361,9 @@ conditions for opening a stream are slightly more complex for a bidirectional
 stream because the opening of either send or receive sides causes the stream
 to open in both directions.

I'm not sure how to formulate this, but there is a difference between the endpoints and view, including the state machine, and the overall distributed view: A stream can only be opened by the initiator, but the first materialized view of a frame can be receiver side sending a packet to a bidi stream. This does not mean that the receiver is opening the stream, but to the receiver it looks like the stream is being opened (although it already knows that is is open from receiving a higher valued Stream ID).

In short, I think it is wrong to state that receive side can open a stream, but the correct formulation is not clear to me.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> @@ -489,27 +431,30 @@ which can allow for better stream prioritization.

Perhaps a note here on loose coupling between application stream handles and QUIC internal stream ID's?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-initial_max_stream_data_bidi_local (0x0000):
+initial_max_stream_data_bidi_local (0x0005):
 
 : The initial stream maximum data for bidirectional, locally-initiated streams

This parameter is a 32-bit integer specifying the initial flow control limit for locally-initiated bidirectional streams. This limit applies to newly created bidirectional streams opened by the endpoint that sends the transport parameter.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

-original_connection_id (0x000d):
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n
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-  {{frame-ack}}.  If this value is absent, a =
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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I found one instance with the hyphen, in the change log:

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Closed #1953.

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I will make a follow-up PR that does that. Commit: 2c353a36e4f5241a1fba2553ed933c17421bd83e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2c353a36e4f5241a1fba2553ed933c17421bd83e Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-03 (Sat, 03 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reword initial flow control Commit: d90ad2bce54e95c8f0b6db2f0cb6426728591aba https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d90ad2bce54e95c8f0b6db2f0cb6426728591aba Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-11-03 (Sat, 03 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- simplify Co-Authored-By: martinthomson Commit: b7b9ea079cf0d707a28b826b9711e2a6baf4a214 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b7b9ea079cf0d707a28b826b9711e2a6baf4a214 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-11-03 (Sat, 03 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- remove extra Co-Authored-By: martinthomson Commit: ac47e24e229b8ccfcf9336d48f0ccfbd1f5f6fb8 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ac47e24e229b8ccfcf9336d48f0ccfbd1f5f6fb8 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-11-03 (Sat, 03 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- hyphen Co-Authored-By: martinthomson Commit: 86d2489c9577cd82d6c0ffbb3fe85341f6302d54 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/86d2489c9577cd82d6c0ffbb3fe85341f6302d54 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-11-03 (Sat, 03 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- parameter Co-Authored-By: martinthomson Commit: 3b6d1934013deb23c193c8a2151f27a6f64efd09 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3b6d1934013deb23c193c8a2151f27a6f64efd09 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-03 (Sat, 03 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reflow Commit: 7a62b458fa6f4f584bc03c99a6328c024b4687ac https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7a62b458fa6f4f584bc03c99a6328c024b4687ac Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-03 (Sat, 03 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1946 from quicwg/renumber-tp Renumber transport parameters Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/638cb0a068da...7a62b458fa6f **NOTE:** This service has been marked for deprecation: https://developer.github.com/changes/2018-04-25-github-services-deprecation/ Functionality will be removed from GitHub.com on January 31st, 2019. ----==_mimepart_5bdd73f911f47_58162ab3652c0590387f3-- From nobody Sat Nov 3 03:20:42 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2C53124BAA for ; 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I just did a trial with the picoquic client and server, using a client option to elicit an HRR by not sending any key share in the Client Hello. I see the following: ``` Client Initial, seq=0, contains Crypto Stream bytes 0..246 (Client Hello) Server Initial, seq=0, contains ACK(0), CS bytes 0..87 (HRR) Client Initial, seq=1, contains ACK(0), CS bytes 247..562 (New Client Hello) Server Initial, seq=1, contains ACK(0..1), CS bytes 88..242 (Server Hello) etc. ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1951#issuecomment-435576477 ----==_mimepart_5bdd76726c523_46893fdb1bcd45c010358f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

By the way, why do you say that clients cannot ACK the HRR? I just did= a trial with the picoquic client and server, using a client option to e= licit an HRR by not sending any key share in the Client Hello. I see the = following:

Client Initial, seq=3D0, contains Crypto Stream bytes 0..246 (=
Client Hello)
    Server Initial, seq=3D0, contains ACK(0), CS bytes 0..87 (HRR)
Client Initial, seq=3D1, contains ACK(0), CS bytes 247..562 (New Client H=
ello)
   Server Initial, seq=3D1, contains ACK(0..1), CS bytes 88..242 (Server =
Hello)
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Udp 443 is already registered for "http protocol over TLS/SSL". However it would certainly be good to update the existing entry to adda reference to the quic RFC.

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@mikkelfj : Sorry, missed your comments when I merged my PR. I'll take them in separately.

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----==_mimepart_5bdd7c2cb312a_20c3fdb844d45b4523264-- From nobody Sat Nov 3 03:45:42 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6EB9124BAA for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2018 03:45:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.469 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.469 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iPS71h-u3huC for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2018 03:45:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA9B012008A for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2018 03:45:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2018 03:45:36 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541241936; bh=TbBtAOv6EeJLj5Q43esGu9E02ddHhq5ZzBh09Pa1DL0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=t96WBH3u2p35hrTX/2A+ZsvnxvoXTUCztO9sZOGWcaCHJEQJECHN3t8TapNWn4WbA /nzTm91kBRS6ot0yFDPkp8jJQdz0LbMM9qZxCp+wVcaUiSS+AI+QvyRNlQkIJ7Wu6v 79Y4PFJ0BEYyuHPI+cpko/QdOq35JZf0NFnLp3m0= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Editorial rework of streams sections (#1950) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bdd7c506dfa7_5c23f9b4d2d45c4405868"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2018 10:45:40 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bdd7c506dfa7_5c23f9b4d2d45c4405868 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit janaiyengar commented on this pull request. > @@ -420,8 +361,9 @@ conditions for opening a stream are slightly more complex for a bidirectional stream because the opening of either send or receive sides causes the stream to open in both directions. Fair point, though as you note, it's not clear exactly what to replace this with. Feel free to suggest a PR for it if you come up with something here. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1950#discussion_r230551381 ----==_mimepart_5bdd7c506dfa7_5c23f9b4d2d45c4405868 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -420,8 +361,9 @@ conditions for opening a stream are slightly more complex for a bidirectional
 stream because the opening of either send or receive sides causes the stream
 to open in both directions.

Fair point, though as you note, it's not clear exactly what to replace this with. Feel free to suggest a PR for it if you come up with something here.

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I'd missed all the progress on this in the OPs drafts.

The IANA table is available at https://www.iana.org/assignments/service-names-port-numbers/service-names-port-numbers.xhtml?search=443v for anyone that was struggling to find it.

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I will make a follow-up PR that does that. 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There are some other minor changes: Frames with multiple codepoints are not referred to in the plural in their first mention (because we talk about multiple frame types), and ahead of the figure that shows the fields. I have made the text announcing the figure, and the text announcing the fields consistent. There was a grammatical error (the very last change here). Commit: 0a28ba675b6faa262197e4eee1aaaa2580554b45 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0a28ba675b6faa262197e4eee1aaaa2580554b45 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-03 (Sat, 03 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Missed a few Commit: 438da79a12f84e0a6c6dc3597d9be2d5332dc629 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/438da79a12f84e0a6c6dc3597d9be2d5332dc629 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-11-03 (Sat, 03 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- period Co-Authored-By: martinthomson Commit: 329ac0d1d86546165f9e9708269ce2f7201e48b2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/329ac0d1d86546165f9e9708269ce2f7201e48b2 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-11-03 (Sat, 03 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- comma Co-Authored-By: martinthomson Commit: 392bfc9a9aee8553dfa0110ad5d691323c92e897 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/392bfc9a9aee8553dfa0110ad5d691323c92e897 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-11-03 (Sat, 03 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- comma Co-Authored-By: martinthomson Commit: 6b1c60eb82dd699b9382eda4f10dad65a67e21a6 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6b1c60eb82dd699b9382eda4f10dad65a67e21a6 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-03 (Sat, 03 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reflow Commit: bc5f768c0f69bfe309c23200c9320b60fdc6ad52 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/bc5f768c0f69bfe309c23200c9320b60fdc6ad52 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-11-03 (Sat, 03 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' into renumber-frames Commit: 8dbf988f4c59a974f60461b3c92452ca6e0d831c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8dbf988f4c59a974f60461b3c92452ca6e0d831c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-03 (Sat, 03 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1945 from quicwg/renumber-frames Renumber frames Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/97c1f0709b13...8dbf988f4c59 **NOTE:** This service has been marked for deprecation: https://developer.github.com/changes/2018-04-25-github-services-deprecation/ Functionality will be removed from GitHub.com on January 31st, 2019. ----==_mimepart_5bdd7dcf6ed80_284e2b09917bc594806ef-- From nobody Sat Nov 3 03:52:11 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B759312D4E9 for ; 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Commit Summary

  • Use varints for transport parameter values
  • Merge branch 'renumber-tp' into varint-tp-values
  • What packet information to track and send (#1939)

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----==_mimepart_5bdd7ee38e174_7c7b3fbf43cd45b4553864-- From nobody Sat Nov 3 03:56:49 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE73512D4EC for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2018 03:56:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R35Og-JONvik for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2018 03:56:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m69-170.mailgun.net (m69-170.mailgun.net [166.78.69.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B70E812F1AB for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2018 03:56:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1541242601; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=BnUNKHVMzx+6gqXcDihU+OIgyLarZCRHqatONih95E0=; b=bwlm7XboOxUKZ20tFN/5AGyfbRBrBrZgfGMpl1uc2ZYb1S4q8OpnASTQj4T7+I0z2Fk9cR9o s0u26p8fiDC+2EJbXbpzYUZbrBwofoPARrvsjY1zMDe7eEausNSFUCNHDx1qPTsUKwXUBi5e obKRsIaofdFsZLB9l7/AOveT0oo= X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.69.170 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.44]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 5bdd7ee8.7fe20867a960-smtp-out-n03; Sat, 03 Nov 2018 10:56:40 -0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2018 03:56:40 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5bdd7ee884b3e_4f92ade33c9857411958@hookshot-fe-6e9b612.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 5a9ee3: Use varints for transport parameter values Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bdd7ee8843b2_4f92ade33c985741186c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2018 10:56:45 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bdd7ee8843b2_4f92ade33c985741186c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 5a9ee3a3937be3a8315b9649e8127b7a65ae8963 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5a9ee3a3937be3a8315b9649e8127b7a65ae8963 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-01 (Thu, 01 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Use varints for transport parameter values This is a partial change related to #1608. It builds on the renumbering of transport parameters so as to avoid churn. Commit: a0f738745722cf367e57bc6f585d29e12f02df23 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a0f738745722cf367e57bc6f585d29e12f02df23 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-03 (Sat, 03 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'renumber-tp' into varint-tp-values Commit: 435b309e8c93f7ee956d475c8f51fe3487e69c03 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/435b309e8c93f7ee956d475c8f51fe3487e69c03 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-03 (Sat, 03 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- What packet information to track and send (#1939) * What to track and send First pass at #765 and some of #1724 * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md * Reference transport * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Co-Authored-By: ianswett * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: 866d5c5812b5baf1a953f9332338ee008213856a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/866d5c5812b5baf1a953f9332338ee008213856a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-03 (Sat, 03 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1955 from quicwg/varint-tp-values Varint tp values Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/8dbf988f4c59...866d5c5812b5 **NOTE:** This service has been marked for deprecation: https://developer.github.com/changes/2018-04-25-github-services-deprecation/ Functionality will be removed from GitHub.com on January 31st, 2019. ----==_mimepart_5bdd7ee8843b2_4f92ade33c985741186c-- From nobody Sat Nov 3 03:56:53 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A84B312008A for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2018 03:56:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.469 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.469 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VGsYV6lnvnzp for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2018 03:56:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 446E4128CFD for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2018 03:56:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2018 03:56:42 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541242602; bh=BsLGeav6YxOzwwga3xSNV0387UfwG0FiIxS6ihz2JQ8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=H0w4C2gPzVSqZx602fHPD1QVPAfbPaWFMDsm1VftONHkX9dGfCx7Oj6XfcxSX2ghO Sk4n4tXx+oEBNBW83cDrvAzMKQPGHOHlICoGbTl/biPxn2k2JCU06vfzjZg5XOtOi9 /E3mGuvR84wbZd8vxe57AdkqPD8wi9wmK9uTmHno= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Varint tp values (#1955) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bdd7eeadf716_96f3f9f866d45c48464a5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2018 10:56:47 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bdd7eeadf716_96f3f9f866d45c48464a5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merged #1955 into master. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bdd802ac35f6_55d92b0304a5a5787289b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2018 11:02:07 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bdd802ac35f6_55d92b0304a5a5787289b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 80540e519ae67e37430f1d345aac581c16564968 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/80540e519ae67e37430f1d345aac581c16564968 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-03 (Sat, 03 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Restore "What packet information to track and send (#1939)" This reverts commit 6edc4c4b7dda2fce6549f77a8afec96a8c676e48. **NOTE:** This service has been marked for deprecation: https://developer.github.com/changes/2018-04-25-github-services-deprecation/ Functionality will be removed from GitHub.com on January 31st, 2019. ----==_mimepart_5bdd802ac35f6_55d92b0304a5a5787289b-- From nobody Sat Nov 3 04:02:17 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 860B612008A for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2018 04:02:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 461zbq6hZnjU for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2018 04:02:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m71-131.mailgun.net (m71-131.mailgun.net [166.78.71.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F7B3128CFD for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2018 04:02:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1541242925; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=b02K4NW6ULsiOiIpd4STUtsG+Nbh1w2WlCTnIZ8WgBg=; b=t3PNah5m8Lof/9RbMwCayleidtQ6AJ6X9GogOFiGTj7GM1a3/DEP2rg0rq93Du9Na3pvEzDm n7SGMOfLt0zf52qzsS9jRNPCF7wTZH4pm05UyIL911eRHYDmw+NRzJpz8QRj4aD1IzTfU+CB oXQwvu6NtSl3Qji3WDciSBDXOjU= X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.71.131 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Sender: jri.ietf=gmail.com@github.com Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.34]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 5bdd7dd5.7f67c068ade0-smtp-out-n01; Sat, 03 Nov 2018 10:52:05 -0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2018 03:52:04 -0700 From: janaiyengar Reply-To: janaiyengar To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5bdd7dd435c42_56422b27a9f2e58034598@hookshot-fe-7191cb1.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 5a9ee3: Use varints for transport parameter values Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bdd7dd4350d3_56422b27a9f2e5803448d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2018 11:02:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bdd7dd4350d3_56422b27a9f2e5803448d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/renumber-tp Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 5a9ee3a3937be3a8315b9649e8127b7a65ae8963 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5a9ee3a3937be3a8315b9649e8127b7a65ae8963 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-01 (Thu, 01 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Use varints for transport parameter values This is a partial change related to #1608. It builds on the renumbering of transport parameters so as to avoid churn. Commit: a0f738745722cf367e57bc6f585d29e12f02df23 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a0f738745722cf367e57bc6f585d29e12f02df23 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-03 (Sat, 03 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'renumber-tp' into varint-tp-values Commit: 435b309e8c93f7ee956d475c8f51fe3487e69c03 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/435b309e8c93f7ee956d475c8f51fe3487e69c03 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-03 (Sat, 03 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- What packet information to track and send (#1939) * What to track and send First pass at #765 and some of #1724 * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md * Reference transport * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Co-Authored-By: ianswett * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: ff102d1b6523bcf24001e5ae701ee3aa7f7eb729 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ff102d1b6523bcf24001e5ae701ee3aa7f7eb729 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-11-03 (Sat, 03 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1947 from quicwg/varint-tp-values Use varints for transport parameter values Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/3b6d1934013d...ff102d1b6523 **NOTE:** This service has been marked for deprecation: https://developer.github.com/changes/2018-04-25-github-services-deprecation/ Functionality will be removed from GitHub.com on January 31st, 2019. ----==_mimepart_5bdd7dd4350d3_56422b27a9f2e5803448d-- From nobody Sat Nov 3 04:03:27 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D7D3124BAA for ; 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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @ianswett for some reason this got merged with some other changes. 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@ianswett for some reason this got merged with some other changes. I'm going to open you a new PR.

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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bdd811297446_71eb2af21e5e0584851b3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2018 11:05:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bdd811297446_71eb2af21e5e0584851b3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/ianswett-tracking2 Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 4875ba79f9ea3a33f22ac42dee5a07ba06ee6f25 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4875ba79f9ea3a33f22ac42dee5a07ba06ee6f25 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-03 (Sat, 03 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Restore "What packet information to track and send (#1939)" This reverts commit 6edc4c4b7dda2fce6549f77a8afec96a8c676e48. **NOTE:** This service has been marked for deprecation: https://developer.github.com/changes/2018-04-25-github-services-deprecation/ Functionality will be removed from GitHub.com on January 31st, 2019. ----==_mimepart_5bdd811297446_71eb2af21e5e0584851b3-- From nobody Sat Nov 3 04:07:07 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EEDE124BAA for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2018 04:07:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3VEPQl-qP4mE for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2018 04:07:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B8C4C12008A for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2018 04:07:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2018 04:07:02 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541243222; bh=wzE5TWInYuKrJuCwxFEfRPeB3xF3tmzYtAwEu/EcrG8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=f0v96IUEzpYTkImsMkoH/MHd8o6xd+H4dTpQofi15DLcLgyp3O5wdtKfzExEWnpee x1btvwOS9xMj5Fq4s+X3lirewpAH9pRi5g0L5XF6pHgzPd4SUp6crZ9t1jys82oWWZ qbiIxxKHFmMw/w68uFpbNJW89WeBQjD4mIaoS9bE= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Restore "What packet information to track and send (#1939)" (#1956) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bdd815695d02_10e33fbdc6ad45bc61244c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2018 11:07:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bdd815695d02_10e33fbdc6ad45bc61244c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @ianswett, I'm hearing a bunch of negative feedback on this one. 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@ianswett, I'm hearing a bunch of negative feedback on this one.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1956

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  • Restore "What packet information to track and send (#1939)"

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See #1956.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some small changes I noticed when re-reading the entire doc. 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Some small changes I noticed when re-reading the entire doc.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1957

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@ianswett approved this pull request.

I think this looks fine, but isn't this the same PR I just merged? Confused...

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QUIC separates the two: QUIC uses a packet number -for transmissions, and any application data is sent in one or more streams, -with delivery order determined by stream offsets encoded within STREAM frames. - -QUIC's packet number is strictly increasing, and directly encodes transmission -order. A higher QUIC packet number signifies that the packet was sent later, -and a lower QUIC packet number signifies that the packet was sent earlier. When -a packet containing frames is deemed lost, QUIC rebundles necessary frames in a +TCP conflates transmission order at the sender with delivery order at the +receiver, which results in retransmissions of the same data carrying the same +sequence number, and consequently to "retransmission ambiguity". QUIC ```suggestion sequence number, and consequently leads to "retransmission ambiguity". QUIC ``` > @@ -236,7 +237,9 @@ underestimation of min RTT, which in turn prevents underestimating smoothed RTT. Ack-based loss detection implements the spirit of TCP's Fast Retransmit {{?RFC5681}}, Early Retransmit {{?RFC5827}}, FACK, and SACK loss recovery {{?RFC6675}}. This section provides an overview of how these algorithms are -implemented in QUIC. +implemented in QUIC. Though both time-based loss detection and early retransmit +use a timer, they're part of Ack-based detection because they do not use a timer ```suggestion use a timer, they are part of Ack-based detection because they do not use a timer ``` > @@ -450,11 +458,10 @@ this packet adds network load without establishing packet loss. ## Generating Acknowledgements QUIC SHOULD delay sending acknowledgements in response to packets, but MUST NOT -excessively delay acknowledgements of packets containing frames other than ACK. -Specifically, implementations MUST attempt to enforce a maximum -ack delay to avoid causing the peer spurious timeouts. The maximum ack delay -is communicated in the `max_ack_delay` transport parameter and the default -value is 25ms. +excessively delay acknowledgements of retransmittable packets. Specifically, +implementations MUST attempt to enforce a maximum ack delay to avoid causing +the peer spurious timeouts. The maximum ack delay is communicated in the +`max_ack_delay` transport parameter and the default value is 25ms. Just a stray thought: would some kind of hysteresis be of relevance? E.g. receiver should allow for 10% overrun of ack delay? Or perhaps this is already taken into account. > @@ -501,13 +508,13 @@ frame may be saved. When a packet containing an ACK frame is acknowledged, the receiver can stop acknowledging packets less than or equal to the largest acknowledged in the sent ACK frame. -In cases without ACK frame loss, this algorithm allows for a minimum of 1 RTT of -reordering. In cases with ACK frame loss, this approach does not guarantee that -every acknowledgement is seen by the sender before it is no longer included in -the ACK frame. Packets could be received out of order and all subsequent ACK -frames containing them could be lost. In this case, the loss recovery algorithm -may cause spurious retransmits, but the sender will continue making forward -progress. +In cases without ACK frame loss, this algorithm allows for a minimum of 1 RTT +of reordering. In cases with ACK frame loss and reordering, this approach does +not guarantee that every acknowledgement is seen by the sender before it is no +longer included in the ACK frame. Packets could be received out of order and +all subsequent ACK frames containing them could be lost. In this case, the +loss recovery algorithm may cause spurious retransmits, but the sender will +continue making forward progress. ```suggestion continue to make forward progress. ``` > @@ -878,13 +881,9 @@ Pseudocode for OnLossDetectionTimeout follows: ### Detecting Lost Packets -Packets in QUIC are only considered lost once a larger packet number in -the same packet number space is acknowledged. DetectLostPackets is called -every time an ack is received and operates on the sent_packets for that -packet number space. If the loss detection timer expires and the loss_time -is set, the previous largest acked packet is supplied. - -#### Pseudocode +DetectLostPackets is called every time an ack is received and operates on ```suggestion DetectLostPackets is called every time an ACK is received and operates on ``` > @@ -878,13 +881,9 @@ Pseudocode for OnLossDetectionTimeout follows: ### Detecting Lost Packets -Packets in QUIC are only considered lost once a larger packet number in -the same packet number space is acknowledged. DetectLostPackets is called -every time an ack is received and operates on the sent_packets for that -packet number space. If the loss detection timer expires and the loss_time -is set, the previous largest acked packet is supplied. - -#### Pseudocode +DetectLostPackets is called every time an ack is received and operates on +the sent_packets for that packet number space. 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@mikkelfj commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -163,17 +163,18 @@ across packet number=
 spaces.
 =

 ### Monotonically Increasing Packet Numbers
 =

-TCP conflates transmission sequence number at the sender with delivery s=
equence
-number at the receiver, which results in retransmissions of the same dat=
a
-carrying the same sequence number, and consequently to problems caused b=
y
-"retransmission ambiguity".  QUIC separates the two: QUIC uses=
 a packet number
-for transmissions, and any application data is sent in one or more strea=
ms,
-with delivery order determined by stream offsets encoded within STREAM f=
rames.
-
-QUIC's packet number is strictly increasing, and directly encodes tr=
ansmission
-order.  A higher QUIC packet number signifies that the packet was sent l=
ater,
-and a lower QUIC packet number signifies that the packet was sent earlie=
r.  When
-a packet containing frames is deemed lost, QUIC rebundles necessary fram=
es in a
+TCP conflates transmission order at the sender with delivery order at th=
e
+receiver, which results in retransmissions of the same data carrying the=
 same
+sequence number, and consequently to "retransmission ambiguity"=
;.  QUIC
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-sequence number, and consequently to "retrans=
mission ambiguity".  QUIC
+sequence number, and consequently leads to "retransmission ambiguity".  =
QUIC

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -236,7 +237,9 @@ underestimation of min=
 RTT, which in turn prevents underestimating smoothed RTT.
 Ack-based loss detection implements the spirit of TCP's Fast Retrans=
mit
 {{?RFC5681}}, Early Retransmit {{?RFC5827}}, FACK, and SACK loss recover=
y
 {{?RFC6675}}. This section provides an overview of how these algorithms =
are
-implemented in QUIC.
+implemented in QUIC.  Though both time-based loss detection and early re=
transmit
+use a timer, they're part of Ack-based detection because they do not=
 use a timer
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-use a timer, they're part of Ack-based detect=
ion because they do not use a timer
+use a timer, they are part of Ack-based detection because they do not us=
e a timer

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -450,11 +458,10 @@ this packet adds net=
work load without establishing packet loss.
 ## Generating Acknowledgements
 =

 QUIC SHOULD delay sending acknowledgements in response to packets, but M=
UST NOT
-excessively delay acknowledgements of packets containing frames other th=
an ACK.
-Specifically, implementations MUST attempt to enforce a maximum
-ack delay to avoid causing the peer spurious timeouts.  The maximum ack =
delay
-is communicated in the `max_ack_delay` transport parameter and the defau=
lt
-value is 25ms.
+excessively delay acknowledgements of retransmittable packets. Specifica=
lly,
+implementations MUST attempt to enforce a maximum ack delay to avoid cau=
sing
+the peer spurious timeouts.  The maximum ack delay is communicated in th=
e
+`max_ack_delay` transport parameter and the default value is 25ms.
 =

Just a stray thought: would some kind of hysteresis be of relevance? E= .g. receiver should allow for 10% overrun of ack delay? Or perhaps this i= s already taken into account.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -501,13 +508,13 @@ frame may be saved. =
 When a packet containing an ACK frame is acknowledged, the
 receiver can stop acknowledging packets less than or equal to the larges=
t
 acknowledged in the sent ACK frame.
 =

-In cases without ACK frame loss, this algorithm allows for a minimum of =
1 RTT of
-reordering. In cases with ACK frame loss, this approach does not guarant=
ee that
-every acknowledgement is seen by the sender before it is no longer inclu=
ded in
-the ACK frame. Packets could be received out of order and all subsequent=
 ACK
-frames containing them could be lost. In this case, the loss recovery al=
gorithm
-may cause spurious retransmits, but the sender will continue making forw=
ard
-progress.
+In cases without ACK frame loss, this algorithm allows for a minimum of =
1 RTT
+of reordering. In cases with ACK frame loss and reordering, this approac=
h does
+not guarantee that every acknowledgement is seen by the sender before it=
 is no
+longer included in the ACK frame. Packets could be received out of order=
 and
+all subsequent ACK frames containing them could be lost. In this case, t=
he
+loss recovery algorithm may cause spurious retransmits, but the sender w=
ill
+continue making forward progress.
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-continue making forward progress.
+continue to make forward progress.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -878,13 +881,9 @@ Pseudocode for OnLoss=
DetectionTimeout follows:
 =

 ### Detecting Lost Packets
 =

-Packets in QUIC are only considered lost once a larger packet number in
-the same packet number space is acknowledged.  DetectLostPackets is call=
ed
-every time an ack is received and operates on the sent_packets for that
-packet number space.  If the loss detection timer expires and the loss_t=
ime
-is set, the previous largest acked packet is supplied.
-
-#### Pseudocode
+DetectLostPackets is called every time an ack is received and operates o=
n
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-DetectLostPackets is called every time an ack=
 is received and operates on
+DetectLostPackets is called every time an ACK is received and operates o=
n

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -878,13 +881,9 @@ Pseudocode for OnLoss=
DetectionTimeout follows:
 =

 ### Detecting Lost Packets
 =

-Packets in QUIC are only considered lost once a larger packet number in
-the same packet number space is acknowledged.  DetectLostPackets is call=
ed
-every time an ack is received and operates on the sent_packets for that
-packet number space.  If the loss detection timer expires and the loss_t=
ime
-is set, the previous largest acked packet is supplied.
-
-#### Pseudocode
+DetectLostPackets is called every time an ack is received and operates o=
n
+the sent_packets for that packet number space. If the loss detection tim=
er
+expires and the loss_time is set, the previous largest acked packet is s=
upplied.
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-expires and the loss_time is set, the previou=
s largest acked packet is supplied.
+expires and the loss_time is set, the previous largest acknowledged pack=
et is supplied.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -236,7 +237,9 @@ underestimation of min RTT, which in turn prevents underestimating smoothed RTT.
 Ack-based loss detection implements the spirit of TCP's Fast Retransmit
 {{?RFC5681}}, Early Retransmit {{?RFC5827}}, FACK, and SACK loss recovery
 {{?RFC6675}}. This section provides an overview of how these algorithms are
-implemented in QUIC.
+implemented in QUIC.  Though both time-based loss detection and early retransmit
+use a timer, they're part of Ack-based detection because they do not use a timer

or ACK-based ?

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In http/2 the default root is stream 0x00, however this is now a request stream so we clearly can't depend on that any more.

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in http/2 the default dependency of the pushed stream was it's associated stream. However in h3 we now have push ids and not associated streams. Should we have a default priority here?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -450,11 +458,10 @@ this packet adds network load without establishing packet loss.
 ## Generating Acknowledgements
 
 QUIC SHOULD delay sending acknowledgements in response to packets, but MUST NOT
-excessively delay acknowledgements of packets containing frames other than ACK.
-Specifically, implementations MUST attempt to enforce a maximum
-ack delay to avoid causing the peer spurious timeouts.  The maximum ack delay
-is communicated in the `max_ack_delay` transport parameter and the default
-value is 25ms.
+excessively delay acknowledgements of retransmittable packets. Specifically,
+implementations MUST attempt to enforce a maximum ack delay to avoid causing
+the peer spurious timeouts.  The maximum ack delay is communicated in the
+`max_ack_delay` transport parameter and the default value is 25ms.

The current model is the receiver communicates it's max ack delay. The receiver is in the best place to determine how late alarms are likely to fire, so I think they should include that in the value they send. That being said, it's probably worth stating that specifically. Possibly in the transport draft?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -450,11 +458,10 @@ this packet adds network load without establishing packet loss.
 ## Generating Acknowledgements
 
 QUIC SHOULD delay sending acknowledgements in response to packets, but MUST NOT
-excessively delay acknowledgements of packets containing frames other than ACK.
-Specifically, implementations MUST attempt to enforce a maximum
-ack delay to avoid causing the peer spurious timeouts.  The maximum ack delay
-is communicated in the `max_ack_delay` transport parameter and the default
-value is 25ms.
+excessively delay acknowledgements of retransmittable packets. Specifically,
+implementations MUST attempt to enforce a maximum ack delay to avoid causing
+the peer spurious timeouts.  The maximum ack delay is communicated in the
+`max_ack_delay` transport parameter and the default value is 25ms.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My take: there are now 3 types of dependency and the root is an untyped abstract value that is assumed if no other type is. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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My take: there are now 3 types of dependency and the root is an untyped abstract value that is assumed if no other type is.

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Add some text on how to correctly specify max_ack_delay on systems where the alarm may fire late.

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Any PUSH_PROMISE is still triggered by a request and sent back on that bidi stream. Would it suffice to assume that one's priority?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -777,16 +790,13 @@ Pseudocode for OnAck=
Received and UpdateRtt follow:
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 ### On Packet Acknowledgment
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-When a packet is acked for the first time, the following OnPacketAcked f=
unction
-is called.  Note that a single ACK frame may newly acknowledge several p=
ackets.
-OnPacketAcked must be called once for each of these newly acked packets.=

+When a packet is acknowledged for the first time, the following OnPacket=
Acked
+function is called.  Note that a single ACK frame may newly acknowledge =
several
+packets. OnPacketAcked must be called once for each of these newly acked=
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3929,8 +3929,11 @@ max_ack_delay (0x000b):
 
 : The maximum ACK delay is an integer value indicating the
   maximum amount of time in milliseconds by which the endpoint will delay
-  sending acknowledgments.  If this value is absent, a default of 25
-  milliseconds is assumed.
+  sending acknowledgments.  This value should include the receiver's expected
+  delays in alarms firing.  For example, if a receiver specifies a 5ms
+  max_ack_delay and alarms commonly fire up to 1ms late, then it should set
+  a timer for 4ms.  If this value is absent, a default of 25 milliseconds is

I would do this the other way around. If a receiver sets ack delay timers at 5ms and alarms could fire up to 1ms late, then it should advertise a max_ack_delay of 6ms.

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Yes, PUSH_PROMISE can be used, but which PUSH_PROMISE?

The pushed response is what would be prioritized, and multiple requests can point at the same pushed response.

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----==_mimepart_5bdd9ae26c9df_492a3fee216d45bc8384ec-- From nobody Sat Nov 3 06:17:11 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A04C1128CF3 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2018 06:17:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uG_UMG3nK0nV for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2018 06:17:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DFB5F1277D2 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2018 06:17:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2018 06:17:06 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541251026; bh=bz5+j+ug72CRmGYHPAf6SRcjRieoH/H4rmXnMMrQjD4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=zQbdSk34elzAwnvq5dOMw7LNongL8joRvJgySrHRM7UCYsEQk9i3x92giCB4LyIUt usimEqixs+f+jB9GHfX2NrBYT0Fg9BSqiW3DUdpv41nkc3LTXUp0gS1KjoIVorycKI 1fAtW6BDvJmzPEJDy8i+3Bq3wsBxc1RAIfn1wlss= From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] what is the default dependent stream of pushed streams (#1959) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bdd9fd290a_49213f96e74d45b47738ca"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2018 13:17:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bdd9fd290a_49213f96e74d45b47738ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So I always look at Priortisation from the server's perspective - if it wants to push a thing, how should it assign resources to that in keeping with how the client already expressed it's priority preferences. So in other words, what I said is then: the pushed pseudo-request assumes it's parent request's priority by default. A client could then repriortise that particular pseudo-request by using the PRIORITY frame with the Push ID. Logically, the reprioritisation would point the dependency at some other request (Stream ID), a different Push promise ID (reprioritising to self means what??), or some placeholder ID. Now, here's where I get told all my assumption have been wrong :) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1959#issuecomment-435587256 ----==_mimepart_5bdd9fd290a_49213f96e74d45b47738ca Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

So I always look at Priortisation from the server's perspective - if i= t wants to push a thing, how should it assign resources to that in keepin= g with how the client already expressed it's priority preferences.

So in other words, what I said is then: the pushed pseudo-request assu= mes it's parent request's priority by default. A client could then reprio= rtise that particular pseudo-request by using the PRIORITY frame with the= Push ID.

Logically, the reprioritisation would point the dependency at some oth= er request (Stream ID), a different Push promise ID (reprioritising to se= lf means what??), or some placeholder ID.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3929,8 +3929,10 @@ max_ack_delay (0x00=
0b):
 =

 : The maximum ACK delay is an integer value indicating the
   maximum amount of time in milliseconds by which the endpoint will dela=
y
-  sending acknowledgments.  If this value is absent, a default of 25
-  milliseconds is assumed.
+  sending acknowledgments.  This value should include the receiver's=
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Merged #1960 into master.

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I can put the same PUSH_PROMISE (promising the same push) on two request streams. Which of those does the pushed stream depend on?

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good point. 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Good point. The last one?

What about assuming no default priority as a solution.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nibanks approved this pull request. > @@ -564,13 +564,13 @@ When a server receives this frame, it aborts sending the response for the identified server push. If the server has not yet started to send the server push, it can use the receipt of a CANCEL_PUSH frame to avoid opening a push stream. If the push stream has been opened by the server, the server SHOULD -send a QUIC RST_STREAM frame on that stream and cease transmission of the +send a QUIC RESET_STREAM frame on that stream and cease transmission of the I've been thinking, should all stream specific frames (i.e. frames that have an ID) start with `STREAM_`? In other words, this would be `STREAM_RESET` instead. Not sure exactly what to change `STOP_SENDING` to instead though... -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1961#pullrequestreview-171338155 ----==_mimepart_5bddf2a6de3a7_7ab63fd24f4d45c07945c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@nibanks approved this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -564,13 +564,13 @@ When a server receives this frame, it aborts sending the response for the
 identified server push.  If the server has not yet started to send the server
 push, it can use the receipt of a CANCEL_PUSH frame to avoid opening a push
 stream.  If the push stream has been opened by the server, the server SHOULD
-send a QUIC RST_STREAM frame on that stream and cease transmission of the
+send a QUIC RESET_STREAM frame on that stream and cease transmission of the

I've been thinking, should all stream specific frames (i.e. frames that have an ID) start with STREAM_? In other words, this would be STREAM_RESET instead. Not sure exactly what to change STOP_SENDING to instead though...

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summary slides for day 2

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Martin, thanks of fixing this up and landing it!

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -501,13 +508,13 @@ frame may be saved.  When a packet containing an ACK frame is acknowledged, the
 receiver can stop acknowledging packets less than or equal to the largest
 acknowledged in the sent ACK frame.
 
-In cases without ACK frame loss, this algorithm allows for a minimum of 1 RTT of
-reordering. In cases with ACK frame loss, this approach does not guarantee that
-every acknowledgement is seen by the sender before it is no longer included in
-the ACK frame. Packets could be received out of order and all subsequent ACK
-frames containing them could be lost. In this case, the loss recovery algorithm
-may cause spurious retransmits, but the sender will continue making forward
-progress.
+In cases without ACK frame loss, this algorithm allows for a minimum of 1 RTT
+of reordering. In cases with ACK frame loss and reordering, this approach does
+not guarantee that every acknowledgement is seen by the sender before it is no
+longer included in the ACK frame. Packets could be received out of order and
+all subsequent ACK frames containing them could be lost. In this case, the
+loss recovery algorithm may cause spurious retransmits, but the sender will
+continue making forward progress.

I think I prefere making, since it's more active?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -450,11 +458,10 @@ this packet adds network load without establishing packet loss.
 ## Generating Acknowledgements
 
 QUIC SHOULD delay sending acknowledgements in response to packets, but MUST NOT
-excessively delay acknowledgements of packets containing frames other than ACK.
-Specifically, implementations MUST attempt to enforce a maximum
-ack delay to avoid causing the peer spurious timeouts.  The maximum ack delay
-is communicated in the `max_ack_delay` transport parameter and the default
-value is 25ms.
+excessively delay acknowledgements of retransmittable packets. Specifically,
+implementations MUST attempt to enforce a maximum ack delay to avoid causing
+the peer spurious timeouts.  The maximum ack delay is communicated in the
+`max_ack_delay` transport parameter and the default value is 25ms.

PR #1960 merged already fyi.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -501,13 +508,13 @@ frame may be saved.  When a packet containing an ACK frame is acknowledged, the
 receiver can stop acknowledging packets less than or equal to the largest
 acknowledged in the sent ACK frame.
 
-In cases without ACK frame loss, this algorithm allows for a minimum of 1 RTT of
-reordering. In cases with ACK frame loss, this approach does not guarantee that
-every acknowledgement is seen by the sender before it is no longer included in
-the ACK frame. Packets could be received out of order and all subsequent ACK
-frames containing them could be lost. In this case, the loss recovery algorithm
-may cause spurious retransmits, but the sender will continue making forward
-progress.
+In cases without ACK frame loss, this algorithm allows for a minimum of 1 RTT
+of reordering. In cases with ACK frame loss and reordering, this approach does
+not guarantee that every acknowledgement is seen by the sender before it is no
+longer included in the ACK frame. Packets could be received out of order and
+all subsequent ACK frames containing them could be lost. In this case, the
+loss recovery algorithm may cause spurious retransmits, but the sender will
+continue making forward progress.

To me it seems more like spoken language, but either will do.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -450,11 +458,10 @@ this packet adds network load without establishing packet loss.
 ## Generating Acknowledgements
 
 QUIC SHOULD delay sending acknowledgements in response to packets, but MUST NOT
-excessively delay acknowledgements of packets containing frames other than ACK.
-Specifically, implementations MUST attempt to enforce a maximum
-ack delay to avoid causing the peer spurious timeouts.  The maximum ack delay
-is communicated in the `max_ack_delay` transport parameter and the default
-value is 25ms.
+excessively delay acknowledgements of retransmittable packets. Specifically,
+implementations MUST attempt to enforce a maximum ack delay to avoid causing
+the peer spurious timeouts.  The maximum ack delay is communicated in the
+`max_ack_delay` transport parameter and the default value is 25ms.

Yes I noticed, looks good, thanks.

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Are people supposed to be able to see data on slides 7 and 8? Because right now, I don't think that's possible, particularly on a projector.

Otherwise, very nice!

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+1 to Ian's point, replotting the last two slides with larger lines/axes/etc would be worth the effort.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -564,13 +564,13 @@ When a server receives this frame, it aborts sending the response for the
 identified server push.  If the server has not yet started to send the server
 push, it can use the receipt of a CANCEL_PUSH frame to avoid opening a push
 stream.  If the push stream has been opened by the server, the server SHOULD
-send a QUIC RST_STREAM frame on that stream and cease transmission of the
+send a QUIC RESET_STREAM frame on that stream and cease transmission of the

I'm settling for mentions of STREAM. STOP_SENDING is definitely awkward, but since it doesn't affect stream state, maybe that's OK.

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There are actually four, and root is explicitly called out as a dependency type. See here

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Closed #1958.

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FWIW, nothing in HTTP/QUIC depends on a particular port number. A default port number is a property of a scheme, so until we define a QUIC-specific scheme, using UDP 443 is merely a widespread convention.

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Yeah, we looked into this and had UDP/443 reassigned to the IETF a while ago. See #428.

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Closed #1944.

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@larseggert Thanks you for the pointer. Does that mean that the official port for HQ is UDP 443?

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In this case, the loss recovery algorithm may cause spurious retransmits, but the sender will continue making forward progress. +## Tracking Sent Packets {#tracking-sent-packets} + +QUIC stores information about every packet sent. It's expected implementations ```suggestion QUIC implementations store information about every packet sent. It is expected that implementations ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1956#pullrequestreview-171349568 ----==_mimepart_5bde776189e3f_35b3fc0d6ad45b8129534 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -509,6 +509,57 @@ frames containing the=
m could be lost. In this case, the loss recovery algorithm
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+## Tracking Sent Packets {#tracking-sent-packets}
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+QUIC implementations store information about every packet sent. It is
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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -509,6 +509,57 @@ frames containing the=
m could be lost. In this case, the loss recovery algorithm
 may cause spurious retransmits, but the sender will continue making forw=
ard
 progress.
 =

+## Tracking Sent Packets {#tracking-sent-packets}
+
+QUIC stores information about every packet sent. It's expected imple=
mentations
+will index this information by packet number and crypto context and stor=
e the
+per-packet fields detailed below for loss recovery and congestion contro=
l.
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-per-packet fields detailed below for loss rec=
overy and congestion control.
+per-packet fields ({{sent-packet-fields}}) for loss recovery and congest=
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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -509,6 +509,57 @@ frames containing the=
m could be lost. In this case, the loss recovery algorithm
 may cause spurious retransmits, but the sender will continue making forw=
ard
 progress.
 =

+## Tracking Sent Packets {#tracking-sent-packets}
+
+QUIC stores information about every packet sent. It's expected imple=
mentations
+will index this information by packet number and crypto context and stor=
e the
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-will index this information by packet number =
and crypto context and store the
+will index this information by packet number and crypto context and stor=
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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -509,6 +509,56 @@ frames containing the=
m could be lost. In this case, the loss recovery algorithm
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+## Tracking Sent Packets {#tracking-sent-packets}
+
+QUIC implementations store information about every packet sent. It is ex=
pected
+implementations will index this information by packet number and crypto =
context
+and store the per-packet fields detailed below for loss recovery and con=
gestion
+control.
+
+If a packet is lost, the QUIC transport needs to recover from that loss,=
 such
+as by retransmitting the data, sending an updated frame, or abandoning t=
he
+frame.  For more information, see Section 13.2 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
+
+Packets MUST be tracked until acknowledged or lost in order to correctly=
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+Every sent packet MUST be tracked until it is acknowledged or lost to co=
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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -509,6 +513,52 @@ frames containing them could be lost. In this case, the loss recovery algorithm
 may cause spurious retransmits, but the sender will continue making forward
 progress.
 
+## Tracking Sent Packets {#tracking-sent-packets}
+
+QUIC implementations store information about every packet sent. It is expected
+implementations will index this information by packet number and crypto context
+and store the per-packet fields detailed below for loss recovery and congestion
+control.
+
+Retrasnmittable packets MUST be tracked until acknowledged or lost in order to

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit janaiyengar commented on this pull request. > -for transmissions, and any application data is sent in one or more streams, -with delivery order determined by stream offsets encoded within STREAM frames. - -QUIC's packet number is strictly increasing, and directly encodes transmission -order. A higher QUIC packet number signifies that the packet was sent later, -and a lower QUIC packet number signifies that the packet was sent earlier. When -a packet containing frames is deemed lost, QUIC rebundles necessary frames in a +TCP conflates transmission order at the sender with delivery order at the +receiver, which results in retransmissions of the same data carrying the same +sequence number, and consequently leads to "retransmission ambiguity". QUIC +separates the two: QUIC uses a packet number to indicate transmission order, +and any application data is sent in one or more streams, with delivery order +determined by stream offsets encoded within STREAM frames. + +QUIC's packet number is strictly increasing within a packet number space, +and directly encodes transmission order. A higher QUIC packet number ```suggestion and directly encodes transmission order. A higher packet number ``` > -with delivery order determined by stream offsets encoded within STREAM frames. - -QUIC's packet number is strictly increasing, and directly encodes transmission -order. A higher QUIC packet number signifies that the packet was sent later, -and a lower QUIC packet number signifies that the packet was sent earlier. When -a packet containing frames is deemed lost, QUIC rebundles necessary frames in a +TCP conflates transmission order at the sender with delivery order at the +receiver, which results in retransmissions of the same data carrying the same +sequence number, and consequently leads to "retransmission ambiguity". QUIC +separates the two: QUIC uses a packet number to indicate transmission order, +and any application data is sent in one or more streams, with delivery order +determined by stream offsets encoded within STREAM frames. + +QUIC's packet number is strictly increasing within a packet number space, +and directly encodes transmission order. A higher QUIC packet number +signifies that the packet was sent later, and a lower QUIC packet number ```suggestion signifies that the packet was sent later, and a lower packet number ``` > -QUIC's packet number is strictly increasing, and directly encodes transmission -order. A higher QUIC packet number signifies that the packet was sent later, -and a lower QUIC packet number signifies that the packet was sent earlier. When -a packet containing frames is deemed lost, QUIC rebundles necessary frames in a +TCP conflates transmission order at the sender with delivery order at the +receiver, which results in retransmissions of the same data carrying the same +sequence number, and consequently leads to "retransmission ambiguity". QUIC +separates the two: QUIC uses a packet number to indicate transmission order, +and any application data is sent in one or more streams, with delivery order +determined by stream offsets encoded within STREAM frames. + +QUIC's packet number is strictly increasing within a packet number space, +and directly encodes transmission order. A higher QUIC packet number +signifies that the packet was sent later, and a lower QUIC packet number +signifies that the packet was sent earlier. When a packet containing +retransmittable frames is deemed lost, QUIC rebundles necessary frames in a ```suggestion retransmittable frames is detected lost, QUIC rebundles necessary frames in a ``` > @@ -236,7 +237,9 @@ underestimation of min RTT, which in turn prevents underestimating smoothed RTT. Ack-based loss detection implements the spirit of TCP's Fast Retransmit {{?RFC5681}}, Early Retransmit {{?RFC5827}}, FACK, and SACK loss recovery {{?RFC6675}}. This section provides an overview of how these algorithms are -implemented in QUIC. +implemented in QUIC. Though both time-based loss detection and early retransmit +use a timer, they are part of Ack-based detection because they do not use a ```suggestion use a timer, they are part of ack-based detection because they do not use a ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1957#pullrequestreview-171350160 ----==_mimepart_5bde864adfa74_59d33fd6eb8d45bc29663 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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rames.
-
-QUIC's packet number is strictly increasing, and directly encodes tr=
ansmission
-order.  A higher QUIC packet number signifies that the packet was sent l=
ater,
-and a lower QUIC packet number signifies that the packet was sent earlie=
r.  When
-a packet containing frames is deemed lost, QUIC rebundles necessary fram=
es in a
+TCP conflates transmission order at the sender with delivery order at th=
e
+receiver, which results in retransmissions of the same data carrying the=
 same
+sequence number, and consequently leads to "retransmission ambiguit=
y".  QUIC
+separates the two: QUIC uses a packet number to indicate transmission or=
der,
+and any application data is sent in one or more streams, with delivery o=
rder
+determined by stream offsets encoded within STREAM frames.
+
+QUIC's packet number is strictly increasing within a packet number s=
pace,
+and directly encodes transmission order.  A higher QUIC packet number
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-and directly encodes transmission order.  A h=
igher QUIC packet number
+and directly encodes transmission order.  A higher packet number

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -with delivery order determined by stream =
offsets encoded within STREAM frames.
-
-QUIC's packet number is strictly increasing, and directly encodes tr=
ansmission
-order.  A higher QUIC packet number signifies that the packet was sent l=
ater,
-and a lower QUIC packet number signifies that the packet was sent earlie=
r.  When
-a packet containing frames is deemed lost, QUIC rebundles necessary fram=
es in a
+TCP conflates transmission order at the sender with delivery order at th=
e
+receiver, which results in retransmissions of the same data carrying the=
 same
+sequence number, and consequently leads to "retransmission ambiguit=
y".  QUIC
+separates the two: QUIC uses a packet number to indicate transmission or=
der,
+and any application data is sent in one or more streams, with delivery o=
rder
+determined by stream offsets encoded within STREAM frames.
+
+QUIC's packet number is strictly increasing within a packet number s=
pace,
+and directly encodes transmission order.  A higher QUIC packet number
+signifies that the packet was sent later, and a lower QUIC packet number=
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-signifies that the packet was sent later, and=
 a lower QUIC packet number
+signifies that the packet was sent later, and a lower packet number

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -QUIC's packet number is strictly incr=
easing, and directly encodes transmission
-order.  A higher QUIC packet number signifies that the packet was sent l=
ater,
-and a lower QUIC packet number signifies that the packet was sent earlie=
r.  When
-a packet containing frames is deemed lost, QUIC rebundles necessary fram=
es in a
+TCP conflates transmission order at the sender with delivery order at th=
e
+receiver, which results in retransmissions of the same data carrying the=
 same
+sequence number, and consequently leads to "retransmission ambiguit=
y".  QUIC
+separates the two: QUIC uses a packet number to indicate transmission or=
der,
+and any application data is sent in one or more streams, with delivery o=
rder
+determined by stream offsets encoded within STREAM frames.
+
+QUIC's packet number is strictly increasing within a packet number s=
pace,
+and directly encodes transmission order.  A higher QUIC packet number
+signifies that the packet was sent later, and a lower QUIC packet number=

+signifies that the packet was sent earlier.  When a packet containing
+retransmittable frames is deemed lost, QUIC rebundles necessary frames i=
n a
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-retransmittable frames is deemed lost, QUIC r=
ebundles necessary frames in a
+retransmittable frames is detected lost, QUIC rebundles necessary frames=
 in a

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -236,7 +237,9 @@ underestimation of min=
 RTT, which in turn prevents underestimating smoothed RTT.
 Ack-based loss detection implements the spirit of TCP's Fast Retrans=
mit
 {{?RFC5681}}, Early Retransmit {{?RFC5827}}, FACK, and SACK loss recover=
y
 {{?RFC6675}}. This section provides an overview of how these algorithms =
are
-implemented in QUIC.
+implemented in QUIC.  Though both time-based loss detection and early re=
transmit
+use a timer, they are part of Ack-based detection because they do not us=
e a
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-use a timer, they are part of Ack-based detec=
tion because they do not use a
+use a timer, they are part of ack-based detection because they do not us=
e a

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -236,7 +237,9 @@ underestimation of min RTT, which in turn prevents underestimating smoothed RTT.
 Ack-based loss detection implements the spirit of TCP's Fast Retransmit
 {{?RFC5681}}, Early Retransmit {{?RFC5827}}, FACK, and SACK loss recovery
 {{?RFC6675}}. This section provides an overview of how these algorithms are
-implemented in QUIC.
+implemented in QUIC.  Though both time-based loss detection and early retransmit
+use a timer, they are part of Ack-based detection because they do not use a

the word is "acknowledgment", which I appreciate is long and hard to say and type, but we should use the whole word unless we're talking about the frame.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -236,7 +237,9 @@ underestimation of min RTT, which in turn prevents underestimating smoothed RTT.
 Ack-based loss detection implements the spirit of TCP's Fast Retransmit
 {{?RFC5681}}, Early Retransmit {{?RFC5827}}, FACK, and SACK loss recovery
 {{?RFC6675}}. This section provides an overview of how these algorithms are
-implemented in QUIC.
+implemented in QUIC.  Though both time-based loss detection and early retransmit
+use a timer, they are part of Ack-based detection because they do not use a

Hmm, the naming of this is a good point, but I think that's best saved for a follow up change, since it's used in a good number of spots. Also, I was thinking it's ACK like the frame, but I'm not sure we want to go to ACK-based loss detection everywhere?

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Jana's tcpm slides use time threshold and packet threshold, which I like a lot better than time-based.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1962

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FWIW, it is weird. I think that we can fix this, but it will be disruptive. Do we want to use a varint length at the same time? Or is that just more weird?

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Yes, we should move the length next to the CID, but I don't think there's any reason to move to a varint here.

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Do we want to use a varint length at the same time? Or is that just more weird?

Considering the fact that CID length is expressed using a fixed number of bits in the long header, I think it would be more consistence to continue using a fixed-length encoding here.

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As observed, separating the length of the connection ID from the value
is awkward.

Closes #1952.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1963

Commit Summary

  • Reorder the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame

File Changes

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In OnLossDetectionTimeout():

if (crypto packets are outstanding):
// Crypto retransmission timeout.
RetransmitUnackedCryptoData()
crypto_count++

The literal interpretation is a little loopy. In the case where crypto data is retransmitted and then the acks arrive for the original packets, we have outstanding crypto packets but no unacked crypto data. This pseudocode will result in sending nothing, and then (not shown) starting the Loss Detection timer even though there is nothing in flight, which seems bad.

Two improvements to make here:

  1. If the there is no unacked crypto data, it would be better to send any available 1-RTT data.
  2. We should only start the loss detection timer if there is something to send.

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Agreed, fix this now or never.

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----==_mimepart_5bdfeb62eab02_1eac3f9924cd45b8126972f-- From nobody Sun Nov 4 23:08:12 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4651112F18C for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2018 23:08:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Nw9_AvHOOnF8 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2018 23:08:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D297912EB11 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2018 23:08:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2018 23:08:06 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541401686; bh=zEZo4gCJ92UMC4sHvbZxiMOZL/ZHiTSVjrK84tGTagU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=epqHF+6xaT47u4VtmHlNyYu7VExNxhouZDhkeleI3N0quKBcdgIrm0EvB0LD665Eb AbcF40jnPDnxjOHXJdSuVMfSZPYa1zNDu9+pI4OJ5/Dyqn8k8Sy8tFJBXQZk9eufX8 NBtF59jCtf8KKTUwa64AVE7luLGlA+E8g+YaEwkw= From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgrade (#1901) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bdfec56b3bc6_72f13f80e88d45c01690e9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2018 07:08:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bdfec56b3bc6_72f13f80e88d45c01690e9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After discussing this with @kazuho, @janaiyengar, and @ianswett in Bangkok, I'm not sure the server upgrade problem has been correctly reasoned. Downgrade attack detection happens in the context of a single connection. After receiving VN, the client uses the same CID and increments the packet number. Non-pathological load balancers will direct this to the same server. People have repeatedly pointed out to me that the LB config could flip over in that moment, but that is an edge case of an edge case, and the only consequence is a fatal connection error and a possible security alert. It might we worth adding somewhere that in the event of a downgrade alert, the client SHOULD NOT cache the contents of VN for future use. Also, if the server's TPs don't match the contents of a client version cache from a different connection, that is not a downgrade attack. Furthermore, @ianswett points out that downgrade attack detection traditionally happens at the client. We haven't fully thought through the incentives and other implications of moving this responsibility to the server. In summary, I no longer support moving downgrade detection to the server. I am open to seamless upgrade in v2 after we do some more analysis to make sure there are no gotchas. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1901#issuecomment-435774516 ----==_mimepart_5bdfec56b3bc6_72f13f80e88d45c01690e9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

After discussing this with @kazuho, @janaiyengar= , and @ianswett in Bangkok, I'm not sure the server upgrade p= roblem has been correctly reasoned.

Downgrade attack detection happens in the context of a single connecti= on. After receiving VN, the client uses the same CID and increments the p= acket number. Non-pathological load balancers will direct this to the sam= e server. People have repeatedly pointed out to me that the LB config cou= ld flip over in that moment, but that is an edge case of an edge case, an= d the only consequence is a fatal connection error and a possible securit= y alert.

It might we worth adding somewhere that in the event of a downgrade al= ert, the client SHOULD NOT cache the contents of VN for future use. Also,= if the server's TPs don't match the contents of a client version cache f= rom a different connection, that is not a downgrade attack.

Furthermore, @ianswett points out that downgrade attack de= tection traditionally happens at the client. We haven't fully thought thr= ough the incentives and other implications of moving this responsibility = to the server.

In summary, I no longer support moving downgrade detection to the serv= er. I am open to seamless upgrade in v2 after we do some more analysis t= o make sure there are no gotchas.

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= ----==_mimepart_5bdfec56b3bc6_72f13f80e88d45c01690e9-- From nobody Sun Nov 4 23:20:49 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9263B128B14 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2018 23:20:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Lbu2JBi1Akky for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2018 23:20:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C639512EB11 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2018 23:20:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2018 23:20:44 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541402444; bh=PUl27bmRs7hx2nbAe0UERUobYaxgDZnjtnaHfLiIrx0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ew647zOy3B1/rkw4kLHiKt/r1KKgc4hmxS3+bpOjdSbu73mWe9HwO/zYpAvw2nhFY JuY2lVGXslNplwUFM/jaU8OcOFecttLKoe3+f2ZTl1chk07zObWYZnQ1xJmQJqsBOQ vF92qIXYCbAD3GotdGIBy8D+/vRfu24kFB7aH1Ow= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Bad Edge Case in Recovery Draft (#1964) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bdfef4ca1c4e_44d43fec286d45bc13998dd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2018 07:20:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bdfef4ca1c4e_44d43fec286d45bc13998dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for writing this up, I think this points out that the crypto timer should be enabled when there's crypto data to send, not when crypto packets are in flight. However, there's an exception to that, which is if there's no crypto data to send on the client side because all Initial packets have been acked, but the client didn't receive the server's Handshake, then you can hit the Anti-amplification attack limit, as you discovered in New York. This might be awkward to writeup, but I'll give it a try, unless you'd like to? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1964#issuecomment-435776807 ----==_mimepart_5bdfef4ca1c4e_44d43fec286d45bc13998dd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks for writing this up, I think this points out that the crypto ti= mer should be enabled when there's crypto data to send, not when crypto p= ackets are in flight.

However, there's an exception to that, which is if there's no crypto d= ata to send on the client side because all Initial packets have been acke= d, but the client didn't receive the server's Handshake, then you can hit= the Anti-amplification attack limit, as you discovered in New York.

This might be awkward to writeup, but I'll give it a try, unless you'd= like to?

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= ----==_mimepart_5bdfef4ca1c4e_44d43fec286d45bc13998dd-- From nobody Sun Nov 4 23:27:05 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68A3A130DD0 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2018 23:27:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id beLtRo-TWVHc for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2018 23:26:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EF306130E57 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2018 23:26:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2018 23:26:57 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541402817; bh=TLtqvh/cpuIlmIv6NW9mxX/NheBZGyUV/1/7WpMsa9A=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=0BKmgccAt3iyYfiAXupiOKnjk2Uqd5OiXH3VgDDzNBqdJUCeatHIBD7XqFdzJg+mM LNYpMzg6/r7QcgutokajKy1OI9jR7XEPniq1VyTS4TXNUZ9Nf8gPIaXE/ZZsBeth22 Zp+QKqn7MfTDLfvwUOZ4I62eUgWEz0Jc1/8el7JQ= From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Bad Edge Case in Recovery Draft (#1964) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bdff0c16c94_45183fec286d45bc12580e6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2018 07:27:04 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bdff0c16c94_45183fec286d45bc12580e6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, in the scenario above the sender sets the crypto timer when there is still unacked data. One _could_ change OnPacketAcked() to cancel the LD timer if there's nothing left in the send queues, I suppose. But I would recommend exactly the two changes listed above. Yeah the amplification thing is gross. I am not sure when I'll have time to generate a PR., so please feel free to give it a crack. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1964#issuecomment-435777928 ----==_mimepart_5bdff0c16c94_45183fec286d45bc12580e6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Well, in the scenario above the sender sets the crypto timer when ther= e is still unacked data. One could change OnPacketAcked() to ca= ncel the LD timer if there's nothing left in the send queues, I suppose. = But I would recommend exactly the two changes listed above.

Yeah the amplification thing is gross.

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QUIC, unlike TCP, allows the connection to get into a situation where there could be packets in flight, and a connection could even be CWND limited, but there may not be any outstanding data to retransmit.

The suggested solution is to send a retransmittable frame.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1965

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinduke approved this pull request. I agree with the concept, though I have some problems with the explanatory text. One zoom-out question about TLP in QUIC: If there's a tail loss, you'll have to wait for an entire delayed-ack timeout to send, wait at worst for another DAT to get the ack, then a reordering timeout to declare the intervening packets lost. How does that compare to a plain old RTO? > @@ -418,6 +418,12 @@ used to send a probe into the network prior to establishing any packet loss, prior unacknowledged packets SHOULD NOT be marked as lost when a TLP timer expires. +If no new data or unacknowledged data is available to send, a retransmittable +frame SHOULD be sent. Sending a retransmittable frame ensures that any in +flight packets are acknowledged or declared lost in a timely manner, I don't think TLP accelerates acknowledgment of in-flight pkts unless you happen to hit what the maximum number of delayed-acked pkts are. So I would delete "acknowledged or" > @@ -418,6 +418,12 @@ used to send a probe into the network prior to establishing any packet loss, prior unacknowledged packets SHOULD NOT be marked as lost when a TLP timer expires. +If no new data or unacknowledged data is available to send, a retransmittable +frame SHOULD be sent. Sending a retransmittable frame ensures that any in +flight packets are acknowledged or declared lost in a timely manner, +potentially preventing a deadlock if all in flight packets contain no data Delete everything after "deadlock." -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1965#pullrequestreview-171445838 ----==_mimepart_5bdffe9d8529e_3def3fa630ed45c081398 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@martinduke approved this pull request.

I agree with the concept, though I have some problems with the explanatory text.

One zoom-out question about TLP in QUIC: If there's a tail loss, you'll have to wait for an entire delayed-ack timeout to send, wait at worst for another DAT to get the ack, then a reordering timeout to declare the intervening packets lost. How does that compare to a plain old RTO?

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -418,6 +418,12 @@ used to send a probe into the network prior to establishing any packet loss,
 prior unacknowledged packets SHOULD NOT be marked as lost when a TLP timer
 expires.
 
+If no new data or unacknowledged data is available to send, a retransmittable
+frame SHOULD be sent.  Sending a retransmittable frame ensures that any in
+flight packets are acknowledged or declared lost in a timely manner,

I don't think TLP accelerates acknowledgment of in-flight pkts unless you happen to hit what the maximum number of delayed-acked pkts are.

So I would delete "acknowledged or"

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -418,6 +418,12 @@ used to send a probe into the network prior to establishing any packet loss,
 prior unacknowledged packets SHOULD NOT be marked as lost when a TLP timer
 expires.
 
+If no new data or unacknowledged data is available to send, a retransmittable
+frame SHOULD be sent.  Sending a retransmittable frame ensures that any in
+flight packets are acknowledged or declared lost in a timely manner,
+potentially preventing a deadlock if all in flight packets contain no data

Delete everything after "deadlock."

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D'oh! comments passed in flight. > @@ -418,6 +418,12 @@ used to send a probe into the network prior to establishing any packet loss, prior unacknowledged packets SHOULD NOT be marked as lost when a TLP timer expires. +If no new data or unacknowledged data is available to send, a retransmittable +frame SHOULD be sent. Sending a retransmittable frame ensures that any in +flight packets are acknowledged or declared lost in a timely manner. "acknowledged or" remains problematic. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1965#pullrequestreview-171448802 ----==_mimepart_5bdfff2d56af1_22dd3fc708cd45c41100f6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -418,6 +418,12 @@ used to send a probe into the network prior to establishing any packet loss,
 prior unacknowledged packets SHOULD NOT be marked as lost when a TLP timer
 expires.
 
+If no new data or unacknowledged data is available to send, a retransmittable
+frame SHOULD be sent.  Sending a retransmittable frame ensures that any in
+flight packets are acknowledged or declared lost in a timely manner.

"acknowledged or" remains problematic.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -418,6 +418,12 @@ used to send a probe into the network prior to establishing any packet loss,
 prior unacknowledged packets SHOULD NOT be marked as lost when a TLP timer
 expires.
 
+If no new data or unacknowledged data is available to send, a retransmittable
+frame SHOULD be sent.  Sending a retransmittable frame ensures that any in
+flight packets are acknowledged or declared lost in a timely manner,

Well, if you TLP, then you haven't received an ACK that contained any information about the in flight packets, because otherwise you'd fast or early retransmit them. So you have some number of in flight packets, and you don't know what their status is. It's possible the ACK was just lost, etc. So in that sense, it accelerates receiving an acknowledgement for them if they were in fact not lost.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -418,6 +418,12 @@ used to send a probe into the network prior to establishing any packet loss,
 prior unacknowledged packets SHOULD NOT be marked as lost when a TLP timer
 expires.
 
+If no new data or unacknowledged data is available to send, a retransmittable
+frame SHOULD be sent.  Sending a retransmittable frame ensures that any in
+flight packets are acknowledged or declared lost in a timely manner,
+potentially preventing a deadlock if all in flight packets contain no data

Sorry, I update the text right as you were reviewing, PTAL.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -418,6 +418,12 @@ used to send a probe into the network prior to establishing any packet loss,
 prior unacknowledged packets SHOULD NOT be marked as lost when a TLP timer
 expires.
 
+If no new data or unacknowledged data is available to send, a retransmittable
+frame SHOULD be sent.  Sending a retransmittable frame ensures that any in
+flight packets are acknowledged or declared lost in a timely manner.

howso?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -418,6 +418,12 @@ used to send a probe into the network prior to establishing any packet loss,
 prior unacknowledged packets SHOULD NOT be marked as lost when a TLP timer
 expires.
 
+If no new data or unacknowledged data is available to send, a retransmittable
+frame SHOULD be sent.  Sending a retransmittable frame ensures that any in
+flight packets are acknowledged or declared lost in a timely manner,

Ah yes, ack losses. You're right

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -418,6 +418,12 @@ used to send a probe into the network prior to establishing any packet loss,
 prior unacknowledged packets SHOULD NOT be marked as lost when a TLP timer
 expires.
 
+If no new data or unacknowledged data is available to send, a retransmittable
+frame SHOULD be sent.  Sending a retransmittable frame ensures that any in
+flight packets are acknowledged or declared lost in a timely manner.

Never mind, see above.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -418,6 +418,12 @@ used to send a probe into the network prior to establishing any packet loss,
 prior unacknowledged packets SHOULD NOT be marked as lost when a TLP timer
 expires.
 
+If no new data or unacknowledged data is available to send, a retransmittable
+frame SHOULD be sent.  Sending a retransmittable frame ensures that any in
+flight packets are acknowledged or declared lost in a timely manner,
+potentially preventing a deadlock if all in flight packets contain no data

New data also prevents a deadlock.

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The spurious RTO detection calls an RTO spurious if any unacked packets sent prior to the RTO are acked after the RTO. The implication here is that any packet that was received but not acked can cause the RTO to be labeled spurious, even if there were more packets that were in fact lost.

This is not always right. Consider the following example:

  • Packets 5, 6, 7 are sent
  • Packet 5 is received, but 6 and 7 are dropped
  • Ack of 5 is dropped
  • TLPs (packets 8 and 9) are sent and dropped
  • RTO (packet 10) is sent and received
  • ACK acks 10 and 5
  • Since 5 was sent prior to RTO, RTO is marked spurious.

A crisp definition of spurious RTO may be useful to continue. Here's what I think is sensible: A spurious RTO is an unnecessary RTO. If the RTO timer had not gone off, things would have been fine.

Based on this definition, clearly the RTO was necessary in the example, and therefore not spurious.

We need to change the mechanism for detecting spurious RTOs, and I'll propose the following. An RTO is spurious if an ack is received after the RTO fires that acks only packets sent prior to the RTO. In other words, RTO is spurious if ack is received after the RTO, and largest_newly_acked <= largest_sent_before_rto (instead of smallest_newly_acked > largest_sent_before_rto, as the draft currently states).

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----==_mimepart_5be001f3b23f2_231b3fd0586d45bc13834a-- From nobody Mon Nov 5 00:51:36 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 671A512D4EB for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 00:51:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k9qzzejmu_OW for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 00:51:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DF02C1274D0 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 00:51:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2018 00:51:32 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541407892; bh=HHuLLFiVtQ3n8DMi73cVJwx/b9If054suPPnxShnmW8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=uPpLMKPk8NXuSnlYQL8yh7rIjOYAceuoCqW/jytuP4lYtU6dvCZCU5UapYVbyPwOA pyxWI4INQP+pwuh944b5H3sHZCzDLwvdJuvL7dSVYA0MEKuIwA8qLOAPJMvJcrLDxe stHJy6LuXLFNTmzMa8glkLVGeEV8q65H/DPCJQPo= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Spurious RTO detection (#1966) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be004944a61_4d523fdd606d45c0228649"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2018 08:51:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be004944a61_4d523fdd606d45c0228649 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This was recently changed because Lars ran into an issue(#1774) where the RTO'd packet was acknowledged for the first time in the same ACK as the pre-RTO packets. In that case, I think it was due to an overly aggressive MinRTO and some pretty coarse grained timers, but I think we want to declare that RTO spurious, since everything would have been fine if it hadn't been sent? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1966#issuecomment-435797637 ----==_mimepart_5be004944a61_4d523fdd606d45c0228649 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -418,6 +418,12 @@ used to send a probe into the network prior to establishing any packet loss,
 prior unacknowledged packets SHOULD NOT be marked as lost when a TLP timer
 expires.
 
+If no new data or unacknowledged data is available to send, a retransmittable
+frame SHOULD be sent.  Sending a retransmittable frame ensures that any in
+flight packets are acknowledged or declared lost in a timely manner.
+Otherwise, a deadlock results if there is no available congestion window and
+all in flight packets contain no data that can be retransmitted.

Hyphenate "in-flight" when used before the noun this way.

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This seems reasonable, but another option would be to have length be the length of the option, in which case the current arrangement would be reasonable.

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----==_mimepart_5be02130f0e20_e1d3fcb156d45b4769f2-- From nobody Mon Nov 5 03:33:57 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8559A130DEF for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 03:33:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T0El3ocFQWUO for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 03:33:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C3B07130EC2 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 03:33:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2018 03:33:53 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541417633; bh=1IMA9J5byW9tX4Ul2GuoTRUpJ7F+gqSk+OhX5TNsdFM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=PzsRd9HicUyGQWKI/3br2okJlKPPLr25BXIxhTZLl0PDKeEBu8vzd4dfru3A8Q/Pu P4ELQaIJNDEjt4Q0iP0QqtBaY7/Jrq1ZlEmHgjMS+egvrI0Lp7zQ88O+NrYdypymIo Lr15yBVQkQfBZtG+dtCv/5WHi8kb95UMtA0X2Hjg= From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Prevent an unlikely deadlock (#1965) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be02aa1e5795_1a5e3f9dab4d45bc629265"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2018 11:33:57 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be02aa1e5795_1a5e3f9dab4d45bc629265 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I feel like maybe I don't understand this. It's titled "deadlock" but it looks to me like it's really just RTO. Am I misunderstanding? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1965#issuecomment-435843746 ----==_mimepart_5be02aa1e5795_1a5e3f9dab4d45bc629265 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I feel like maybe I don't understand this. It's titled "deadlock" but it looks to me like it's really just RTO. Am I misunderstanding?

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But here's what I expect to happen now. If the implementation stores some state saying "the tlp alarm fired, but I couldn't send anything, and I'll remember that in case there is some data I can send in the near future." then when there's new data, everything should be fixed, though you'll also only be able to send a single packet. And if that packet or the corresponding ACK is lost, it'll be another TLP before you can send a packet. Alternately, an implementation could fire the alarm, realize it can't send anything, then not re-arm the alarm(since if it was re-armed, it would just fire immediately and you'd spin). The second approach is a deadlock. The first one is just going to be very slow recovery. Both seem somewhat suboptimal. There's another solution to this, which is to declare all in-flight packets lost. But that goes against the approach we use throughout QUIC loss recovery where we don't declare packets lost until a larger packet is acknowledged. OT: @martinduke pointed out that this should be fixed for RTO as well, since it's possible between TLP and RTO(or between two RTOs) in-flight data is cancelled, so now there's nothing to retransmit. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1965#issuecomment-435917790 ----==_mimepart_5be06286eb0b7_415b3febc46d45bc22367e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Good question, @ekr

It's definitely a detail point, but I think the above approach is likely= the ideal fix. But here's what I expect to happen now.

If the implementation stores some state saying "the tlp alarm fired, but= I couldn't send anything, and I'll remember that in case there is some dat= a I can send in the near future." then when there's new data, everything sh= ould be fixed, though you'll also only be able to send a single packet. An= d if that packet or the corresponding ACK is lost, it'll be another TLP bef= ore you can send a packet.

Alternately, an implementation could fire the alarm, realize it can't se= nd anything, then not re-arm the alarm(since if it was re-armed, it would j= ust fire immediately and you'd spin).

The second approach is a deadlock. The first one is just going to be ve= ry slow recovery. Both seem somewhat suboptimal.

There's another solution to this, which is to declare all in-flight pack= ets lost. But that goes against the approach we use throughout QUIC loss r= ecovery where we don't declare packets lost until a larger packet is acknow= ledged.

OT: @martinduke pointed out that this should be fixed for RTO as= well, since it's possible between TLP and RTO(or between two RTOs) in-flig= ht data is cancelled, so now there's nothing to retransmit.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -142,7 +142,7 @@ of frames contained in a packet affect recovery and congestion control logic:
 
 * Packets that contain only ACK frames do not count toward congestion control
   limits and are not considered in-flight. Note that this means PADDING frames
-  cause packets to contribute toward bytes in flight without directly causing an
+  cause packets to contribute toward bytes in-flight without directly causing an
   acknowledgment to be sent.

I think it was agreed to spell this "bytes in flight" but I could be wrong.

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I say we use "ackent".

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Victor suggested "tracked" FYI

I was also considering that, but didn't fully convince myself.

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----==_mimepart_5be07a654ebcf_12e63f9ba60d45b811856c-- From nobody Mon Nov 5 12:42:14 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC1541286E7 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 12:42:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c8gkVSEnMLGk for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 12:42:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 19D2E1286E3 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 12:42:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2018 12:42:09 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541450529; bh=kL7+75QspgZKmIw3OAtpiQImtgluuoAuGRCAqg6UJ1Q=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=DB+U8GBpnzq6Dxw7qBfd8UJWogDhz2lH4lfFMvcyec5nYY1gpvpL01cMr0KAUrP+w lpOPZF+v/zH3S5l/rqKT60fEbxWaUjgskPm2uvyzinGhI0gkU3lHrisieHtUoUHSgi 5lZEnfluorIGSrDATw6DHp7Z3ReexjF4K8NXk4ug= From: Matt Olson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Prevent an unlikely deadlock (#1965) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be0ab218a580_3a9f3fbade8d45b81330f2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: maolson-msft X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2018 20:42:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be0ab218a580_3a9f3fbade8d45b81330f2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rather than adding a new paragraph to patch the hole, I'd update the description of what a "probe" packet is. Currently it's "a packet which is not subject to CC and which contains unsent data (if possible) or sent data (otherwise)." I'd update this sentence and move it somewhere to apply to both TLP and RTO probes. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1965#issuecomment-436027365 ----==_mimepart_5be0ab218a580_3a9f3fbade8d45b81330f2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Rather than adding a new paragraph to patch the hole, I'd update the d= escription of what a "probe" packet is. Currently it's "a packet which is= not subject to CC and which contains unsent data (if possible) or sent d= ata (otherwise)."

I'd update this sentence and move it somewhere to apply to both TLP an= d RTO probes.

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@ian do you have an example of a case where you have packets in flight but no outstanding data to retransmit? I was trying to come up with one but couldn't. In the case of a stream getting cancelled, you'd still have the RST_STREAM frame that needs to be sent.

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@nibanks couldn't RST happen async separate from the pipeline of schedule transmissions. More generally, data might exist, but not (yet) in the low level tranmissions system that deals with retransmission.

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@mikkelfj that's really an implementation detail. For me, resetting a stream, queuing the RST_STREAM frame for delivery and removing the actual stream data for retransmission is an atomic operation.

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@nibanks I agree, but because it is an implementation detail, the protocol can make general assumptions on how implementations work. Forcing an implemtation to operate atomically is not ideal.

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@mikkelfj I totally agree. I was just trying to understand if there were any non-implementation specific scenarios where this could happen (in other words, does this apply to my implementation or can I ignore this bit of text).

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -142,7 +142,7 @@ of frames contained in a packet affect recovery and congestion control logic:
 
 * Packets that contain only ACK frames do not count toward congestion control
   limits and are not considered in-flight. Note that this means PADDING frames
-  cause packets to contribute toward bytes in flight without directly causing an
+  cause packets to contribute toward bytes in-flight without directly causing an
   acknowledgment to be sent.

If in-flight is used, I think other text needs to updated also. The motivation for not using hyphen was the confusion with bytes_in_flight as a variable name.

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the genuine path might naturally reassert itself naturally as the victim sends more packets

If memory serves, this was part of the thinking about how this would work -- you'd naturally "migrate" back to the real path.

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----==_mimepart_5be102fe51f14_fd33fa6fd0d45c472684-- From nobody Mon Nov 5 19:14:06 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CED17130DD9 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 19:14:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OOSD-f5GZYyK for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 19:14:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B4F6130DD1 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 19:14:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2018 19:14:01 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541474041; bh=wFqpOsOFE0BbwhsxFcBJHG7piaHQQHcuNQtH3K84+zo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=GMZGnJqM8WFT7ta2CIxyrxY9bwlNB2myDcDXHT+J/Xr8mDTCDxEh0ntUORSsJylrE Vx3WAx83eKzlQUJT9rHjFd8RWLOdI4D4A9Hs8vhHGBYGBD03YDd/eh+gFl400ui5uK pS4JSB6cwDHJqEfTRsL5FZabWJnh5hpKuNLn1n0U= From: erickinnear Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Connection migration failure mode (#1278) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be106f979455_b7f3fa3676d45bc174554"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: erickinnear X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 03:14:05 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be106f979455_b7f3fa3676d45bc174554 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One of the things that was really nice about uninitiated migration (such as NAT rebinding) generating PATH_CHALLENGE frames was that the endpoint has a potential indication that something like a rebinding may have occurred. I *think* that we allowed the endpoint to omit PATH_CHALLENGE when switching back to the "old" path for cases like these where a packet may have been raced or otherwise interfered with by an attacker, but perhaps we should always require it, which would cover this case as well. That still doesn't necessarily cover the case where an attacker can race both a path challenge and a path response, but at some point they're on path and forwarding your packets. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1278#issuecomment-436117121 ----==_mimepart_5be106f979455_b7f3fa3676d45bc174554 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

One of the things that was really nice about uninitiated migration (su= ch as NAT rebinding) generating PATH_CHALLENGE frames was that the endpoi= nt has a potential indication that something like a rebinding may have oc= curred.

I think that we allowed the endpoint to omit PATH_CHALLENGE w= hen switching back to the "old" path for cases like these where a packet = may have been raced or otherwise interfered with by an attacker, but perh= aps we should always require it, which would cover this case as well.

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That still doesn't necessarily cover the case where an attacker can ra= ce both a path challenge and a path response, but at some point they're o= n path and forwarding your packets.

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@ianswett : #1774 does not change the semantics substantively of what was in the draft. The intent was always to declare spurious RTO if (packet prior to RTO was newly acked). I'm proposing that we change that to (no packet sent after RTO was newly acked).

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----==_mimepart_5be112f55b796_707b3f7f8ded45bc3476e3-- From nobody Mon Nov 5 20:29:41 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DC72130DD9 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 20:29:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bh8IX8Birb8C for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 20:29:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 540F9130DD2 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 20:29:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2018 20:29:36 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541478576; bh=FRcBu/m9PuTLJfwYKnd5zm3NCWDqNwU2BBoPW8ED5QE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=OmFHmjCay+qGPP3/x8VvyXnb6zooLfTWkAuS0ORXb1efFaBiW+NKX09HKQBQU6l+V 0zD/wWqK7eHYeDG2/eVtulCREE7FW8YvPJAubch7pzmeegRRtCuk5KhbS/1vh3Ydv/ WP6g2pGuCiASlWnycxuTSqySCMMbn8wXN0FYyrKw= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Loss events for reordered 0- and 0.5-RTT data (#1967) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be118b0ccd55_312d3fdde8ad45c0496ed"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 04:29:40 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be118b0ccd55_312d3fdde8ad45c0496ed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In the event that 0-or 0.5-RTT data arrives before the cryptographic handshake packets that would normally precede it. That is, the Initial containing ClientHello might arrive after a few 0-RTT packets, or the 0.5-RTT packets might arrive before the server flight is completely received. In that case, those packets will be declared lost. That's fine from a loss-recovery perspective. However, the congestion controller will treat this as a loss event. We want to ensure that loss events are driven only by congestion. Perhaps the congestion controller shouldn't trigger a loss event on packets that might be dropped in this way. If we do this, we need to be careful about definition. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1967 ----==_mimepart_5be118b0ccd55_312d3fdde8ad45c0496ed Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

In the event that 0-or 0.5-RTT data arrives before the cryptographic handshake packets that would normally precede it. That is, the Initial containing ClientHello might arrive after a few 0-RTT packets, or the 0.5-RTT packets might arrive before the server flight is completely received.

In that case, those packets will be declared lost. That's fine from a loss-recovery perspective. However, the congestion controller will treat this as a loss event. We want to ensure that loss events are driven only by congestion.

Perhaps the congestion controller shouldn't trigger a loss event on packets that might be dropped in this way. If we do this, we need to be careful about definition.

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Merged #92 into master.

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Stuart Cheshire asked when QUIC knows to stop sending immediate ACKs. I don't believe the recovery draft is sufficiently clear on what the optimal behavior is here.

The draft indicates when to stop reporting old ACK ranges, but not when to stop sending immediate ACKs, so you could easily end up sending immediate ACKs for a full RTT.

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----==_mimepart_5be11d2db6c97_6d423fd27bcd45b4764c8-- From nobody Mon Nov 5 21:18:53 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B761129619 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 21:18:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4e1XFsiKhxVx for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 21:18:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 93EC61294D0 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 21:18:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2018 21:18:49 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541481529; bh=4bCzDajrLax6ZS3kEPowv+1l983pk6LAsA12Mff92Nk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=y/wfVA3lyou8JOwCjS00L0dwB1wzDXBH15/R3vdoPmdOS+pYUoYP6SCn4/Oxr6opV poKrMj4K2IZpcoIS/SB3t5aTraSdVYAWyMIP0auGQ7vc1R76BsbXzsV0lj60eZF734 g6G9YHcNAJko6/MQKgg4nlLDpYpvNLbgB7rDdw7E= From: Ryan Hamilton Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Rename "retransmittable" frames and packets (#1595) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be124398455c_4c1f3f86346d45bc13599e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: RyanAtGoogle X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 05:18:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be124398455c_4c1f3f86346d45bc13599e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think ACK-eliciting (or some such) is both technically correct and obviously understandable. Something like "wack", "tracked", "ackent" don'= t have obvious english language interpretations and hence require another layer of jargon/indirection in order to understand. On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Lars Eggert wrote: > +1 for wack :-) > > =E2=80=94 > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > , > or mute the thread > > . > -- = You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1595#issuecomment-436134039= ----==_mimepart_5be124398455c_4c1f3f86346d45bc13599e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think ACK-eliciting (or some such) is both technically correct and
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@pravb Indicated declaring a packet lost if the reordering threshold(ie: 3) OR the time threshold has been reached, then a packet is declared lost.

I'd like to remove early retransmit entirely, because it's a bit complex and having QUIC operating in two alternate modes, but indicating both can be enabled at once in the text is very confusing.

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It turns out that this isn't very clear. Implementations and drafts don't match.

We might like to reconsider the use of a new prefix here.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit During interop, I couldn't interop with winquic because I never FIN my request stream, and winquic doesn't serve the response until the request FINs. My conversation with @MikeBishop suggests that both of us are behaving legally, which is a problem. We should either force clients to FIN (allowing servers to wait for it) or not (not). I don't particularly care which. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1972 ----==_mimepart_5be14e1b5a290_798d3f9c4fed45c4342574 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

During interop, I couldn't interop with winquic because I never FIN my request stream, and winquic doesn't serve the response until the request FINs.

My conversation with @MikeBishop suggests that both of us are behaving legally, which is a problem. We should either force clients to FIN (allowing servers to wait for it) or not (not). I don't particularly care which.

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This isn't really a spec issue, as this 0.9 HTTP design we have had for interop is not explicitly written anywhere. It has been a defacto requirement since the interop 2 or 3 to FIN your HTTP requests.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm referring to HTTP/3, although it came up in a 0.9 interop. 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I'm referring to HTTP/3, although it came up in a 0.9 interop. I don't believe there is any requirement in the draft for clients to FIN their requests in a timely fashion.

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----==_mimepart_5be15070d7588_4513fc34d8d45b41113032-- From nobody Tue Nov 6 00:43:38 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAB7E130DD4 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 00:43:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ieJvcifKthc5 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 00:43:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE6CD12D4F1 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 00:43:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 00:43:33 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541493813; bh=LFIUKff1M1g05SSOxNjqBN7+ZB5NqkGy7E6/wBaj4K8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=kjTzUkD8qyM0QRI+TlaGANUEAKGqSlk/wPoyu9bHl8NwnRzCv3M0aP3U7F1dfb5a9 ls06pEsHxrCrKxfjjs5S7/x6ESLvb3IiNr2Qpn1kqXGZBkZvPxP1o+HKM6kf+PhTNb S1v6wjZopUdYIq2QRRNG8gjTlI1zf/z+2drIQti8= From: afrind Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] http deadlock with stream FIN choices (#1972) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be15435cdf33_79e33f9c4fed45c4412155"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: afrind X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 08:43:37 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be15435cdf33_79e33f9c4fed45c4412155 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HTTP/2 doesn't require a client FIN before the server will process the request, but you do need one to complete the stream state machine. I think HQ/H3 should be the same. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1972#issuecomment-436173765 ----==_mimepart_5be15435cdf33_79e33f9c4fed45c4412155 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

HTTP/2 doesn't require a client FIN before the server will process the request, but you do need one to complete the stream state machine. I think HQ/H3 should be the same.

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I agree with @nibanks.

HTTP/0.9 has two ways of terminating a request: CRLF and a FIN. HTTP/1= introduced the concept of request body along with a content-length= request header field that allows a server to detect the end of th= e request without using FIN.

It is not the case with H2, where END_STREAM is the only way to termin= ate a request. I'd assume that that is the same with H3.

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----==_mimepart_5be1611722f39_1a703fa9e1cd45b8105789-- From nobody Tue Nov 6 01:42:49 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34D70130EDC for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 01:42:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WUKcmmITjMjR for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 01:42:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2BCF5130F5C for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 01:42:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 01:42:36 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541497356; bh=TatKOtNvtEZUFp0AmlWBIbW0jHUbs/gRbe2M5Rb6Kuc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=OlAkzeZpUcS5s46DXF1pKPiBoEu1L6+Y4gIjNcME4DVOjXOGDG8IuYQvFU8bGosdq jltGf7oP6dkmI7/pruOLQXsInAua5mTdcAHFxEuEhWecWcGP0x55q5ckEv7Du/hU7Z 8VhsVib5k/jKeDR67e0z7xCPoe5V24eFnSXL/VUE= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Where does the "quic " HKDF label apply? (#1971) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be1620cdc3a9_32f03ffc3c2d45c4281415"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 09:42:47 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be1620cdc3a9_32f03ffc3c2d45c4281415 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could we also get rid of the space in the label or replace it with a hyphen or something? Spaces might get lost or becomes tabs etc. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1971#issuecomment-436191084 ----==_mimepart_5be1620cdc3a9_32f03ffc3c2d45c4281415 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Could we also get rid of the space in the label or replace it with a hyphen or something? Spaces might get lost or becomes tabs etc.

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----==_mimepart_5be1620cdc3a9_32f03ffc3c2d45c4281415-- From nobody Tue Nov 6 01:46:13 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0271A130E66 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 01:46:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wuMLSAsC-s8N for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 01:46:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3067D130E48 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 01:46:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 01:46:08 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541497568; bh=pL3yoG35Uk24zvy53GUIBfBXvIzkURe/chsO2w8aTSQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=DqV5jjrk5RG32AGaIB7dO6D9qpL+3U1E2ZTIZSidINmECBLCmTsESkwDZ8KY3RzL8 sL07lX0S+3HIuWOjbvnzZoikzDz6NVMpAiTGneOJ9Z7oJHylbHimh922UW/Tmj4ZrT wqZIfS2d2e9Hfw/kNxhGbB+rRd9EM+Ngxvr/r+uE= From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Where does the "quic " HKDF label apply? (#1971) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be162e0b4b46_6a1e3fcf44ad45b4274638"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 09:46:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be162e0b4b46_6a1e3fcf44ad45b4274638 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I disagree that there's a problem with the space. As far as I'm aware of, it never created a problem during interop. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1971#issuecomment-436192144 ----==_mimepart_5be162e0b4b46_6a1e3fcf44ad45b4274638 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I disagree that there's a problem with the space. As far as I'm aware of, it never created a problem during interop.

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----==_mimepart_5be1657e695ca_4c753fed858d45c026793f-- From nobody Tue Nov 6 02:06:57 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89EF5130DF6 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 02:06:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0uwwKwJ4EhwC for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 02:06:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BFB341277C8 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 02:06:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 02:06:52 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541498812; bh=3N+XBD+xCAXoh6lpTjC26IGjoKk9JIvIKySRwiUpyfQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=x7fxSmlvVVaWGtfKAgRHQQ9VWX7x5TzZOTfM7r7UFnH6z0s7kLZuuluJSrZei60M3 2jBT1CtdVSeyRLBpucCWnpelRdAGhJCjRZz5LO2JGQchZBdoA1/G+qdRlEg263Q0Rg 8xeIb3rkcGOdRzCiMt0Ed71nSHWCXSxREM4doJnc= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Where does the "quic " HKDF label apply? (#1971) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be167bc7c60a_25ec3fa9e1cd45b840465"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 10:06:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be167bc7c60a_25ec3fa9e1cd45b840465 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinthomson Oh. Are you suggesting that the prefix used by the TLS key schedule needs to remain as "tls13 "? To me, it seems that we discussed the issue at https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1377#pullrequestreview-124279091 but did not come to a clear conclusion. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1971#issuecomment-436198579 ----==_mimepart_5be167bc7c60a_25ec3fa9e1cd45b840465 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@martinthomson Oh. Are you suggesting that the prefix us= ed by the TLS key schedule needs to remain as "tls13 "?

To me, it seems that we discussed the issue at #1377 (re= view) but did not come to a clear conclusion.

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Yes, I know that we discussed this. However, the conclusion was not clear, and the resulting confusion needs to be addressed somehow. I'm suggesting that this re-labeling isn't really needed, and has caused harm.

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Oh, and the space thing is a done deal sadly. We can't un-ship TLS 1.3. We can only really control what QUIC does.

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Is there a related attack where an attacker takes a valid packet and m= akes it appear from a new path triggering path validation probe to which = the attacker responds?

On the original attack:

It was already mentioned that invalid probes could be ignored. Why wou= ld that not be sufficient, combined with a timeout on the probe?

Another attack:

An attack could make a probe appear successful even when it isn't - bu= t that is probably far down the list of worthwhile attacks.

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@martinthomson I could well be missing something, but doesn't not having key separation for key schedule mean that session ticket obtained through QUIC can be reused in TLS over TCP?

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----==_mimepart_5be16bcf9f4d5_86b3fa4522d45c0358444-- From nobody Tue Nov 6 02:26:29 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AE6D130DC9 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 02:26:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mRjlysj8eXVl for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 02:26:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C81D71277C8 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 02:26:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 02:26:25 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541499985; bh=RspTkxln0i+onm5yLYEsoErUsKxdpLaQm0KrT8hlp5Y=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=KmyRrAQnGZCJCBW05dtioQcRAPtQdnWYIOVwKzvbVrQ3AVC1R3ixAWYDiB7A/lV8X 8+ppv1QGgVWNU0pGeBu7iHI2RLw5/2vnGtHNWquTHtwjU7EoXGJicc7xxjO8NpqGzP Dp81sUrW0/2wMZvIHbx330ifUbNIv8nr/pdoIf5U= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Where does the "quic " HKDF label apply? (#1971) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be16c51e9666_2a073fc2abcd45bc3320df"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 10:26:28 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be16c51e9666_2a073fc2abcd45bc3320df Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @kazuho, as long as there is a shared secret, that can be used to resume. It doesn't really matter how you arrived at that ticket. The defense there is to say "don't do that", which I think we already say. (I'll try to find a citation...) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1971#issuecomment-436204465 ----==_mimepart_5be16c51e9666_2a073fc2abcd45bc3320df Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@kazuho, as long as there is a shared secret, that can be used to resume. It doesn't really matter how you arrived at that ticket. The defense there is to say "don't do that", which I think we already say. (I'll try to find a citation...)

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----==_mimepart_5be16c51e9666_2a073fc2abcd45bc3320df-- From nobody Tue Nov 6 02:29:06 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5462D130EC0 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 02:29:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PsHRDhXYUc1l for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 02:28:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CA86130F74 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 02:28:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 02:28:57 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541500137; bh=Xgctu2I0v1/+OZCCXAfG3VuLG8BbdNzf2DS6t7+ZhMY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=UbPxfVEm/3tvXxiiSMe0Pji5xUTNuBxgQg5hJxBLEEboL/6t4C5UzFJwboFwIp4cb ewvnp+zhXSzaIpIF37thXS8A9OfQhWnO3J2o+rpwRIFV3FJE7RslbiDT3TFMJ9+Hu4 wPvOQcmKzyiDaBgGJ/TxaOPJjPcQdaYwJl9vH9ac= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Where does the "quic " HKDF label apply? (#1971) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be16ce99ece8_658f3fd5700d45b462053"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 10:29:04 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be16ce99ece8_658f3fd5700d45b462053 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I think better safe than sorry. Using a dedicated QUIC label will close any "don't do that" attack vectors. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1971#issuecomment-436205257 ----==_mimepart_5be16ce99ece8_658f3fd5700d45b462053 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Well, I think better safe than sorry. Using a dedicated QUIC label will close any "don't do that" attack vectors.

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My point here is that it won't because it can't.

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@martinthomson Clarification question: are you suggesting to drop all use of the "quic " prefix (to revert to "tls13 "), including key-schedule, traffic key derivation, key update, ...

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Based on @pravb feedback at tcpm and my anecdotal experience, combining the two should work well.

Fixes #1969

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1974

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This seems reasonable, but another option would be to have length be t= he length of the option, in which case the current arrangement would be r= easonable.

Assuming that what you are suggesting of having length be the length o= f the frame; even though I like that approach my understanding is that we= have decided to not do that.

The design pattern we have is to place the length field just before th= e arbitrary-sized octets. CRYPTO, STREAM, ACK, CONNECTION_CLOSE, they all= follow the same pattern. Considering that, I think aligning NEW_CONNECTI= ON_ID to the practice makes the most sense.

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This would make #1226 obsolete, right?

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----==_mimepart_5be1868b788c0_b063f8d156d45c03873e8-- From nobody Tue Nov 6 04:52:12 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49E8D130DF3 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 04:52:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.469 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.469 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PmqEEnDjFb_Q for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 04:52:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D19E12958B for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 04:52:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 04:52:06 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541508726; bh=iFUTUTYKb8rBkqXozCIsmBPCh/DxLLvDoA1KVr8J2Iw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=cVoH1O+nn4uOVQNqg+NXOeoohyLxc3Ys7QAQQP3eGlrlIkWPS1hZnaK4Sf86y4k0C WIM8tNHARurQgH55JMMuG3TkWX8yked3aozyvRxuqKUs9dseiPyJaaUHGhuOW8wXNM j1Nhu7Br2oPCbsdv+DfVPLE4E7Lf9C58xoLx21RE= From: Loganaden Velvindron Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Mention BBR as an example of an alternative congestion control mechanism (#1975) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be18e76240c5_cb73f9c312d45bc59994f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: loganaden X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 12:52:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be18e76240c5_cb73f9c312d45bc59994f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At least one known implementation is using BBR: https://cs.chromium.org/chromium/src/net/third_party/quic/core/congestion_control/bbr_sender.cc?g=0 You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1975 -- Commit Summary -- * Mention BBR as an alternative congestion control mechanism * Formatting fix -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (5) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1975.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1975.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1975 ----==_mimepart_5be18e76240c5_cb73f9c312d45bc59994f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

At least one known implementation is using BBR:
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----==_mimepart_5be18e76240c5_cb73f9c312d45bc59994f-- From nobody Tue Nov 6 07:14:55 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9959F130DFE for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 07:14:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KFgCT_TwDF7W for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 07:14:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F40E012F1A2 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 07:14:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 07:14:51 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541517291; bh=BjN8J8dU9yi0Eos220Huh31ro4F+7nzDWhZEHHyx57I=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=egX+9FmFInP8BCkZnm6Loj3dk4458SYMJJ8+AWxxCXyfshdsnERellVOibrdf5/D/ KXrQJvVIObkSygBQQ7ah2Z5OMXi2WxivE6bez93/1xg/V2hacS+XNl/luhz5MO5kJN EhTWLhH33Wt7lF0Aq3kBcNXKJoflEN9nO1Ixaw0s= From: Ryan Hamilton Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] http deadlock with stream FIN choices (#1972) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be1afebac325_bd73ff384cd45bc5355a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: RyanAtGoogle X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 15:14:54 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be1afebac325_bd73ff384cd45bc5355a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It seems quite reasonable for servers to wait for the FIN before sending the response. As such it seems like requiring the client FIN the request = to avoid deadlock makes sense to me. On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 1:20 AM, Kazuho Oku wro= te: > I agree with @nibanks . > > HTTP/0.9 has two ways of terminating a request: CRLF and a FIN. HTTP/1 > introduced the concept of request body along with a content-length > request header field that allows a server to detect the end of the requ= est > *without* using FIN. > > It is not the case with H2, where END_STREAM is the only way to termina= te > a request. I'd assume that that is the same with H3. > > =E2=80=94 > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > , > or mute the thread > > . > -- = You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1972#issuecomment-436287934= ----==_mimepart_5be1afebac325_bd73ff384cd45bc5355a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It seems quite reasonable for servers to wait for the FIN before sending<= br> the response. As such it seems like requiring the client FIN the request = to
avoid deadlock makes sense to me.

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> HTTP/0.9 has two ways of terminating a request: CRLF and a FIN. HTTP= /1
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> *without* using FIN.
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Yes @marten-seemann , the hope is to make #1226 obsolete, though I suspect this PR needs a bit more work as well.

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Forcing client to FIN doesn't work because of things like CONNECT.

Section 3.1.2 of HTTP/QUIC says:

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Let's not take this discussion too far. All we are talking about is th= e simple HTTP 0.9 interop protocol we are currently using. We aren't talk= ing HQ/H3. There is nothing but GET and a response body for the current i= nterop. The (unofficial) requirements throughout interop have always been= to FIN the request.

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OK that makes sense. As you point out in the 2nd comment @niban= ks this isn't really a spec issue, this was a subtlety I missed when = skimming.

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@nibanks Martin D. says it is concerning H3 in a comment in the above and he is OP.

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Ok. Then I think we shouldn't be conflating the two issues of HTTP 0.9 interoperability issues and HQ/H3 design. I'm perfectly fine dedicating the rest of this issue to HQ/H3. For interop, the client FINs the 0.9 request.

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Re HQ, I think we have a clear definition. Section 5.1 states that:

An HTTP request/response exchange fully consumes a bidirectional QUIC = stream. After sending a request, a client closes the stream for sending; = after sending a final response, the server closes the stream for sending = and the QUIC stream is fully closed. Requests and responses are considere= d complete when the corresponding QUIC stream is closed in the appropriat= e direction.

I would interpret this statement that it is OK to use FIN as the way t= o determine the end of a HTTP request.

FWIW, this follows what we have had for H2 in RFC 7540 secti= on 8.1.

Re CONNECT case that @LPardue points out, my understanding is= that is considered either as an exception or that CONNECT elicits an ear= ly response.

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I don't think it's helpful to specifically cite BBR here. There are a lot of alternatives.

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Yes, that's the implication.

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I don't think that you could reasonably say that the authors were unaware of BBR. You might then conclude that not mentioning BBR was intentional.

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Now that Cubic is an RFC(https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8312), mentioning it may make sense, but I'd prefer to not mention BBR, since it's not done and not an RFC.

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I hadn't considered the TLS 1.4 point, but it's a very good point. I'll prepare a PR.

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@martinduke filed this issue after discussing with me; w= hile he encountered it with HTTP/0.9 in the interop, the issue applies to= HQ as well. What the draft currently says is:

An HTTP request/response exchange fully consumes a bidirectional QUIC = stream. After sending a request, a client closes the stream for sending; = after sending a final response, the server closes the stream for sending = and the QUIC stream is fully closed. Requests and responses are considere= d complete when the corresponding QUIC stream is closed in the appropriat= e direction.

There's no normative language, but there's an expectation that the clo= sure will happen at the end of the request. CONNECT is different, as not= ed, and (if you support CONNECT, at the very least), you have to look at = the request to determine whether to expect it to be closed.

In the opposite direction, we say:

Changes to the state of a request stream, including receiving a QUIC R= ESET_STREAM with any error code, do not affect the state of the server=E2= =80=99s response.

While this text is targeted at streams being reset or FIN'd before= the request finishes, this could reasonably be interpreted/expanded= to say that servers also cannot rely upon the FIN for finding the end of= the request. I suspect that you need to process a complete request rega= rdless of whether the stream has closed or not.

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Closes #1971.

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  • Remove "quic " HKDF label

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I apologize for giving the impression that I care about 0.9 at all with respect to the draft. As @MikeBishop says, the issue is filed about HTTP/3.

@MikeBishop Can you file a PR for whatever changes you think are needed?

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@mikkelfj commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  as a fraction of the round-trip time (kTimeReorderingFraction), is 1/8.
 
-An endpoint SHOULD set the timer such that a packet is marked as lost no earlier
-than 1.125 * max(SRTT, latest_RTT) since when it was sent.
+An endpoint SHOULD declare packets lost no earlier than
+1.125 * max(SRTT, latest_RTT) after when they were sent.  If packets sent prior
+to the largest acknowledged packet cannot yet be declared lost, then a timer
+SHOULD be set for the remainint time.

remaining

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -312,16 +292,10 @@ Using max(SRTT, latest_RTT) protects from the two following cases:
 * the latest RTT sample is higher than the SRTT, perhaps due to a sustained
   increase in the actual RTT, but the smoothed SRTT has not yet caught up.
 
-The 1.125 multiplier increases reordering resilience. Implementers MAY
-experiment with using other multipliers, bearing in mind that a lower multiplier
-reduces reordering resilience and increases spurious retransmissions, and a
-higher multiplier increases loss recovery delay.
-
-This mechanism is based on Early Retransmit for TCP {{?RFC5827}}. However,
-{{?RFC5827}} does not include the timer described above. Early Retransmit is
-prone to spurious retransmissions due to its reduced reordering resilence
-without the timer. This observation led Linux TCP implementers to implement a
-timer for TCP as well, and this document incorporates this advancement.
+Implementers MAY experiment with using other reordering fractoins, bearing

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Regardless, forcing a higher min DCID is unfortunate because a system = that relies on small DCIDs in its default operational mode will be forced= to not support other versions with larger DCIDs.

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@martinduke:

In Bangkok @kazuho short-circuited my objection at the mic by p= ointing out that the min DCID length might be different in other versions= .

Upon further review, this requires a minor tweak to the spec: the clie= nt MUST select an initial DCID long enough for every version it supports.= This implies that the maximum initial DCID length is invariant across ve= rsions, but I can't see a use case where we would drop that below 18.

=

FWIW, let me note that in the current design, it is not impossible for= a server cluster with mixed supported versions to respond in a way that = does not cause the clients to see "downgrade attacks", even in case the r= esent Initial lands on a different server within the cluster.

This is how you would do in case you are upgrading a cluster to suppor= t v2:

  1. Some of the servers start accepting v2, but continues to claim suppor= t only for v1 in the VN packets.
  2. During this period, when the server receives a v1 Initial, it respond= s with supported_versions that only contains v1. When the se= rver receives a v2 Initial, it responds with supported_versions that contains both v1 and v2.
  3. After all servers start accepting v2, they start sending v2 in the VN= packet and also in supported_versions.

The difference from what you would do when we have "compatible version= upgrade" is step 2; we need to send different supported_versions based on the version number of the client's Initial. This looks str= ange, but I think it would work.

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= ----==_mimepart_5be2a2436f4c2_27a53f8f5e2d45c484438e-- From nobody Wed Nov 7 00:44:34 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC511128CB7 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 00:44:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2XuLql-cXKYo for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 00:44:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 14E841286D9 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 00:44:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 00:44:30 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541580270; bh=qJRtoMiCcvffdboh3ujEfnirpklaCjARJLe81PrAJuA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=d3ATkPkhah1PXKBvYe1XBWg4n/o6VpbtesK1Z/NVMgHEMkWb9T2PNXulqpTFrv+t1 cjSaJjhAFMaDipEPyk0pW3SNv7dgmBf1xpZEmOqoxd9P+f/TPSJw6aFEo0LvW0r+Yr rTdcuap4oruTffcAXlR4FUXrk3wHkHzj9Kz2AqYA= From: Igor Lubashev Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgrade (#1901) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be2a5ee6f01_5a4d3fe8268d45c0931237"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: igorlord X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 08:44:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be2a5ee6f01_5a4d3fe8268d45c0931237 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Upon further review, this requires a minor tweak to the spec: the client MUST select an initial DCID long enough for every version it supports. This implies that the maximum initial DCID length is invariant across versions, but I can't see a use case where we would drop that below 18. @martinduke, I think it is not only an issue with max DCID but also min DCID. The client MUST select an initial DCID whose length falls within the range of valid DCID lengths for each version it supports. What this means is that if versions A and B require DCIDs to be between (Xa and Ya) and (Xb and Yb) long respectively, Xa-Ya and Xb-Yb ranges would better overlap, or no client would be able to support both A and B. The Invariants could specify the largest-allowed-min and smallest-allowed-max DCID lengths. But it is also possible to leave the matter to future version specs, which would need to take care of ensuring an overlap in DCID length with all prior versions they wish to "co-exist" with. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1901#issuecomment-436547896 ----==_mimepart_5be2a5ee6f01_5a4d3fe8268d45c0931237 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Upon further review, this requires a minor tweak to the spec: the clie= nt MUST select an initial DCID long enough for every version it supports.= This implies that the maximum initial DCID length is invariant across ve= rsions, but I can't see a use case where we would drop that below 18.

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@martinduke, I think it is not only an issue with max DC= ID but also min DCID. The client MUST select an initial DCID whose lengt= h falls within the range of valid DCID lengths for each version it suppor= ts. What this means is that if versions A and B require DCIDs to be betw= een (Xa and Ya) and (Xb and Yb) long respectively, Xa-Ya and Xb-Yb ranges= would better overlap, or no client would be able to support both A and B= .

The Invariants could specify the largest-allowed-min and smallest-allo= wed-max DCID lengths. But it is also possible to leave the matter to fut= ure version specs, which would need to take care of ensuring an overlap i= n DCID length with all prior versions they wish to "co-exist" with.

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@igorlord I agree, although I cannot see a use case that w= ould really require an upper limit on initial DCID len. So I think it is = simpler just to hold the max length constant and allow versions to vary m= in length (as this value is needed to provide minimum entropy for Retry a= nd VN packets).

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I realize there are quite a few retired PRs in this space.

However, the current system sets up perverse incentives. If I want to maximize my throughput given a certain congestion window, the optimal behavior is to always send ACK frames in their own packets.

IMO, simply not counting ACK frames in flightsize (and the header of ack-only packets) is conceptually cleaner and a pretty simple change to the implementation.

If there are no objections I can file a PR.

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Yesterday Jana said the WG is open to the possibility of a sender-controlled ack_ratio.

A simpler approach: a 3-bit field in each direction, in every packet, carrying ack_exp where

ack_ratio = 2^ack_exp.
Exactly how many bits to use is up for discussion, but I believe ack_ratio=16 and growing is already common in DCs, so 2 bits isn't quite enough.

Receiving ack_exp would be defined to mean: "From now, please try to ACK at least every 2^ack_exp packets". No negotiation. No need to detect loss of messages. Just repetition of a hint.

Of course a variable can be constant, e.g. for implementers of a sender who want to leave adaptation code for later, just set ack_exp=1 in every packet.

I think this would address all the scenarios in #1428 (related but closed).

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----==_mimepart_5be2a860ea4f9_34133fcd3a4d45bc110303b-- From nobody Wed Nov 7 01:01:07 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC5711286D9 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 01:01:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UDqVl7PWOnYt for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 01:00:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 09128123FFD for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 01:00:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 01:00:57 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541581258; bh=M5QZMGM28F67nccsgGie4iJN2ekXFldcUthjy7Uk0Oo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ZXedunjweMZ/DER4/LZt1RSDkCMAkdvZfF80omgHaOsFOxWCm+LPAsfAc+Dqus1Tl gcVfK6z3o3wlChgaHoND4KLaoEUw+VJ9fxH5clAQGJ/sTR04yMG91vuDomA27BhGuc HJ6dAwgCNPqWyggIBRC94cQEe9FKRdLp0LY71NmM= From: Bob Briscoe Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Sender-Controlled Delayed ACK Ratio (#1978) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be2a9c916e2b_9683f922ccd45bc763795"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: bbriscoe X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 09:01:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be2a9c916e2b_9683f922ccd45bc763795 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ### Some scenarios where the sender's preferred ack_ratio changes through the connection: 1. A sender CC that wants the receiver to turn off DelAcks during flow-start (e.g. it's using hybrid slow-start as in Cubic and wants to get delay measurements more frequently) sets ack_exp=0 during flow-start (ack_ratio=1), then increases ack_exp during congestion avoidance. If it goes idle, then re-starts, it would set ack_exp=0 again. Note on heuristics: A Linux TCP receiver currently uses a heuristic to determine when the sender has exited slow-start. However, heuristics -> ossification. A Linux receiver's heuristic only works with the current pattern of slow-start. In TCP, when we tried to improve the pattern on the sender (paced chirping), the heuristic on the receiver killed us. 2. Imagine a paced sender has hardware generic receive offload (GRO), so for a long-running flow it doesn't want a high rate of QUIC ACKs that are opaque to GRO. Let's say it would prefer at least 8 ACKs per RTT. Again, it starts with ack_exp=0, but in congestion avoidance it would use: > ack_ratio <= cwnd_in_packets/8 So calculation of ack_ratio lends itself to fast integer arithmetic. Upshot: By remote controlling the receiver, the server offloads nearly all the ACKs from large downloads, but still focuses its ACK-receiving resources on getting each client up to speed. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1978#issuecomment-436552267 ----==_mimepart_5be2a9c916e2b_9683f922ccd45bc763795 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Some scenarios where the sender's preferred ack_ratio changes through= the connection:

  1. A sender CC that wants the receiver to turn off DelAcks during flow-st= art (e.g. it's using hybrid slow-start as in Cubic and wants to get delay= measurements more frequently) sets ack_exp=3D0 during flow-start (ack_ra= tio=3D1), then increases ack_exp during congestion avoidance. If it goes = idle, then re-starts, it would set ack_exp=3D0 again.

    Note on heuristics: A Linux TCP receiver currently uses a heuristic to= determine when the sender has exited slow-start. However, heuristics -&g= t; ossification. A Linux receiver's heuristic only works with the curren= t pattern of slow-start. In TCP, when we tried to improve the pattern on = the sender (paced chirping), the heuristic on the receiver killed us.

    =

  2. Imagine a paced sender has hardware generic receive offload (GRO), so = for a long-running flow it doesn't want a high rate of QUIC ACKs that are= opaque to GRO. Let's say it would prefer at least 8 ACKs per RTT. Again,= it starts with ack_exp=3D0, but in congestion avoidance it would use:

ack_ratio <=3D cwnd_in_packets/8

So calculation of ack_ratio lends itself to fast integer arithmetic. 

Upshot: By remote controlling the receiver, the server offload=
s nearly all the ACKs from large downloads, but still focuses its ACK-rec=
eiving resources on getting each client up to speed.

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= ----==_mimepart_5be2a9c916e2b_9683f922ccd45bc763795-- From nobody Wed Nov 7 01:04:45 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A1321286D9 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 01:04:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16B1kHCW2UxF for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 01:04:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4C7BE127133 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 01:04:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 01:04:40 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541581480; bh=iJgQm71LEBwjUUQp0tpqp5FDhD2K5yA+NhVaq3uDvkU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=wvOzRNWWccCPg1q+TOrgK0ZvVvGDkxQxb0Rc8+7YymBBDEnspcJv6QxxYGh5ksgBC UJVgkeO1yR2pJzigeAf0DWoOySRUKEX50SKHF8kobnqQnnkPE09P4TCBABxZykJvuM flW5OHgYSsfk69Sr+wWmqjJi19zJdSDwYL0T/e/U= From: Bob Briscoe Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Sender-Controlled Delayed ACK Ratio (#1978) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be2aaa8893d7_5c6a3fd67b0d45bc1547777"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: bbriscoe X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 09:04:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be2aaa8893d7_5c6a3fd67b0d45bc1547777 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ### Units Packets? bytes? time? fraction of RTT? Think of this question in two stages: Q1. what units the sender starts from Q2. what units the message is in, which the sender has to derive from Q1 If the message was a fraction of 1 RTT, the receiver would have to calulate the sender's RTT. It can do that, using ACKs of ACKs, but that implies work and delay. In all cases that I could see in #1428, the sender had all the info to translate from one unit to another (it knows its own SMSS, its window, its RTT). This leaves Q2, to which a good enough answer is packets (which also compresses the message size). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1978#issuecomment-436553339 ----==_mimepart_5be2aaa8893d7_5c6a3fd67b0d45bc1547777 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Units

Packets? bytes? time? fraction of RTT?

Think of this question in two stages:
Q1. what units the sender starts from
Q2. what units the message is in, which the sender has to derive from Q1<= /p>

If the message was a fraction of 1 RTT, the receiver would have to cal= ulate the sender's RTT. It can do that, using ACKs of ACKs, but that impl= ies work and delay.

In all cases that I could see in #1428, the sender had all = the info to translate from one unit to another (it knows its own SMSS, it= s window, its RTT). This leaves Q2, to which a good enough answer is pack= ets (which also compresses the message size).

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This removes appendix A from -spin-exp, since the consensus that negotiation's downsides outweighed it upsides was pretty clear in Bangkok.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1979

Commit Summary

  • remove negotiated spin

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this is fine, in isolation, but I do feel like we haven't had enough discussion of the benefits and drawbacks of this approach as compared to just calling it SPDY/2...

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How about separating VN / Retry entropy from DCID lengths if this is the only thing that blocks short DCIDs from coexisting with "standard" DCID min lengths?

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----==_mimepart_5be2b06ddcf01_73363fde01cd45b41491a4-- From nobody Wed Nov 7 01:33:08 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67B891286D9 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 01:33:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3bHwcaahWUK7 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 01:33:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-14.smtp.github.com (out-14.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C969712008A for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 01:33:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 01:33:05 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541583185; bh=Qq3/RPp4upZYN+hqO7qSz8lub38OYyr6+rrWdhaEn7M=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=GfOubncHz1w1O/FuM1cUL3XvfuaC2L3K0nKhu+1SeFemBK02B8g3Rdvpx+N7uWxZE KSpGC7/KOTjQxKVIIfj0qao5JhyWsLKKRHbXS4DJn65EXZQIZw08Zx0gtgmJ7BXC94 NRPWOYkYHiAMJnHrEAZs/HCu+8XkjoHOo9nTVgNE= From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgrade (#1901) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be2b151133f6_39223fc8a80d45c026640"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 09:33:07 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be2b151133f6_39223fc8a80d45c026640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How would you do that? This is only relevant to the Initial DCID, not the server-proposed one. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1901#issuecomment-436561691 ----==_mimepart_5be2b151133f6_39223fc8a80d45c026640 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

How would you do that? This is only relevant to the Initial DCID, not the server-proposed one.

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If the version dependent DCID length really only is a concern for the intial packet, then I suggest that this length is hardcoded to 128-bits, independent of SCID/DCID length requirements of any given version.

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Note that the initial DCID is expected to be random and not contain any load balancer coordination etc.

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If you want to send more data than your congestion window allows, nobody can stop you from doing so.

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@mikkelfj, trying to mitigate this injection DoS attack is m= uch harder than merely "waiting a bit before failing". If your implementa= tion waits a bit in case of no common version in VN packet, what would it= do, if an attacker injects a VN packet with a version you do support (wh= ich arrives before a reply from the server that actually supported your i= nitial version)? What if the attacker races to the server a packet with = your 4-tuple, CIDs, and version but different contents, establishing a co= nnection on the server for you, which you would not be able to decrypt? E= tc.

I'd rather defer mitigations, if any are possible, to a later version = of this draft (or a different draft).

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= ----==_mimepart_5be2b7b78b3c3_33843f832d6d45bc36384-- From nobody Wed Nov 7 02:12:02 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3806D128CF2 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 02:12:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D3UNvzyldSx7 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 02:11:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1BECA129619 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 02:11:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 02:11:57 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541585517; bh=Ev1t2e4pw1bAEXh7xefSbbq6VLWVqceVdRqyB1+VRIw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=XPkDBfqCCNLwStm1KHnrmdvvwPc+hu+eDTq4bwyIhNKjmiwU07z5jr5idcUVe/PrP 9XyYcAJl7nbvXGyQEReRGDolbWfvtPYExM7dYfnrvQBIc6hftacOELX6mJt/5GMa+t a+ZXo7mRAA0W3F/jhz9Tu9J6GcOQXr+lsIokIVnM= From: Subodh Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Exempt all ACK frames from congestion control (#1977) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be2ba6d40499_43d83f8ec90d45c0151526"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: siyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 10:12:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be2ba6d40499_43d83f8ec90d45c0151526 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree with @marten-seemann here, we're solving for a sender that wants to do the right thing and be nice to the network. If I understand this proposal, you're suggesting not counting ack frames towards size even in the packets that contain them? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1977#issuecomment-436573326 ----==_mimepart_5be2ba6d40499_43d83f8ec90d45c0151526 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I agree with @marten-seemann here, we're solving for a sender that wants to do the right thing and be nice to the network. If I understand this proposal, you're suggesting not counting ack frames towards size even in the packets that contain them?

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Agreed, I'm happy with the status quo. If you want to game congestion= control, there are plenty of ways to be unilaterally more aggressive.

The reason ACK-only packets are the only ones that aren't congestion c= ontrolled is to allow sending ACKs even if there's no available congestio= n control or you'd otherwise be pacing limited. And the main reason they= don't count towards bytes in flight is because they don't elicit an ACK = to allow them to be removed from bytes in flight.

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= ----==_mimepart_5be2bf5352215_670d3f9b786d45b82021e0-- From nobody Wed Nov 7 02:33:31 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0211129BBF for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 02:33:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y9vh0gx2Cdh3 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 02:33:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5D2FD129619 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 02:33:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 02:33:27 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541586807; bh=C7PJLnOfQBultu8ShEwCZ7qgu0U952kvyoYFwnlqPH8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=xkcuZsP7A9fKUpsjMr263Xl2CRLUhh+lHhqsKzcjbmWsnxVfoqPQ637rlTrX/tBcN fJDq5VMi7dyHOygB9PWCrUQpvOGpm4yXBRSP2EantDitPJz9AIaPIUwj8s50YtGcv0 SxTDOOUji2nM5VughNybzyOTdAqcW3cvKHq9mC5M= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Complete version negotiation failure (#1917) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be2bf77ac796_2d183fdf05cd45b410245f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 10:33:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be2bf77ac796_2d183fdf05cd45b410245f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable @igorlord There are definitely many more scenarios better handled in v2 o= r which are not practical to defend against at all without out of band kn= owledge such as signatures of some sort.=0D =0D As to a VN with initial version, the draft already says:=0D =0D > A client MUST ignore a Version Negotiation packet that lists the client= =E2=80=99s chosen version.=0D =0D However "waiting a little" will give a valid packet a fighting chance aga= inst subversive attackers that wish to remain undetected. -- = You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1917#issuecomment-436579373= ----==_mimepart_5be2bf77ac796_2d183fdf05cd45b410245f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@igorlord There are definitely many more scenarios better = handled in v2 or which are not practical to defend against at all without= out of band knowledge such as signatures of some sort.

As to a VN with initial version, the draft already says:

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= ----==_mimepart_5be2bf77ac796_2d183fdf05cd45b410245f-- From nobody Wed Nov 7 03:07:53 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6DF9129BBF for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 03:07:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yFtM6zsk0vPi for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 03:07:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DCFAB129619 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 03:07:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 03:07:48 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541588868; bh=BsSKk3/RwEIQeKpyMwpHhO9oaCOqulwnsuyOm3PQhfM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=t9+EMGZuuaDFvwJzJDCNbOMIQwkr0n5IiedH74eXho4DBjcfKLi8s0PMFv+OJJmmV 07n2Dj7YWrIKg9udjHerqKiSfeo8NeotTN4T/4dIwnnY9TdJ7/3dMabhRdn48tbfv6 5nGMPY7fWGkIASq97FKLbNnhbSvCwQO8iWvNiA4U= From: Igor Lubashev Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Complete version negotiation failure (#1917) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be2c784e46a7_430a3ffc6f8d45b83269de"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: igorlord X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 11:07:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be2c784e46a7_430a3ffc6f8d45b83269de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > As to a VN with initial version, the draft already says:=0D > =0D > > A client MUST ignore a Version Negotiation packet that lists the clie= nt=E2=80=99s chosen version.=0D > =0D > However "waiting a little" will give a valid packet a fighting chance a= gainst subversive attackers that wish to remain undetected.=0D =0D That's right. I meant the attack claiming another version you support, n= ot your original version. Given that browsers are likely to be supportin= g predictable version sets, picking a different one is not likely to be a= challenge.=0D =0D The other problem with just waiting is that the client is likely better o= ff just failing over to TCP quickly to improve user experience. -- = You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1917#issuecomment-436588715= ----==_mimepart_5be2c784e46a7_430a3ffc6f8d45b83269de Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

As to a VN with initial version, the draft already says:

A client MUST ignore a Version Negotiation packet that lists the clien= t=E2=80=99s chosen version.

However "waiting a little" will give a valid packet a fighting chance = against subversive attackers that wish to remain undetected.

That's right. I meant the attack claiming another version you support= , not your original version. Given that browsers are likely to be suppor= ting predictable version sets, picking a different one is not likely to b= e a challenge.

The other problem with just waiting is that the client is likely bette= r off just failing over to TCP quickly to improve user experience.

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I agree it should change throughout the connection, but I believe the = right mechanism for this would be a combination of a transport param and = an UPDATE_TRANSPORT_PARAMS frame. It turns out there's at least one othe= r use for this frame already, which is initial stream flow control limit.=

One reason why I believe this is a better approach is there's nowhere = good to stick 3 bits in every QUIC packet. Another reason is I expect pe= ople will not want to update this value that often, maybe once every few = round trips at most.

An ability to request a MaxAckDelay would also be useful, but it would= likely require a new MinMaxAckDelay transport param to inform the sender= of the minimum value the sender could request and expect it to be honore= d.

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Also, would you mind restating(editing) your original comment with information about the issue you're trying to solve and your goals? I think I know what mine are, but I'd prefer you state yours since you filed the issue.

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----==_mimepart_5be2d5938e5e6_40f33fb3cbed45b8267854-- From nobody Wed Nov 7 04:27:42 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE33312D4EA for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 04:27:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tyrdQWuALjwO for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 04:27:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 28A5D128CF2 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 04:27:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 04:27:37 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541593657; bh=t2mu2YhRRrG7cgxT8VIxWg6xQ/5m/vmdj2wBJVOyVVA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=yc6J0L0Y0SnGqrc1w7YKjSqKWiaUTLoldARjn4GU8mFD5xCspnVknXTDUhE8Lcus6 X8fIRCtIO0YXh2EgqS/sZEyyzEHIaUJaepm7s/rP6Ng+q9l5oeX/vZbAXRy+oM3Doe 7DZkg1485zxpBn6ANYRGsUx0FHP4qCvNiiUrZ2sc= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Complete version negotiation failure (#1917) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be2da3945595_556f3fabc80d45b8313230"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 12:27:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be2da3945595_556f3fabc80d45b8313230 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I won't necessarily argue against failover to TCP, but my working assumption is that QUIC is QUIC, even if the most likely implemention is QUIC/HTTP/HQ/H3 with support for TCP. Hence QUIC needs to be able to handle itself the best it can. Specific use cases may recommend fallbacks to TCP, but it won't work in general. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1917#issuecomment-436607100 ----==_mimepart_5be2da3945595_556f3fabc80d45b8313230 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I won't necessarily argue against failover to TCP, but my working assu= mption is that QUIC is QUIC, even if the most likely implemention is QUIC= /HTTP/HQ/H3 with support for TCP. Hence QUIC needs to be able to handle i= tself the best it can. Specific use cases may recommend fallbacks to TCP,= but it won't work in general.

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= ----==_mimepart_5be2da3945595_556f3fabc80d45b8313230-- From nobody Wed Nov 7 04:38:11 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E71C2129BBF for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 04:38:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z9mJkJrGzLil for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 04:38:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E2C0E12F1A6 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 04:38:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 04:38:06 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541594286; bh=1/ByZh2mPhH10BJDNxQ5hyJsBtOZEsQOGWNMZ0QVeBM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=M0FKUg3t96AdBbaLVaqQoTPe6Kr2vmSAfMcSMUq2KFHIn8BWwi6ub4xL745LKePgF YuTPWy/5K1WeBPVl8absvpcD4MPxfY79ryGUmIg3qVFc+jmglfL4Ij23w0WEA0p5GK z7kacttvSVpTfq3kuYXuEp+jc+N8gRAfhID4AlG4= From: Igor Lubashev Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Complete version negotiation failure (#1917) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be2dcaed615f_a403f8eda8d45c029784b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: igorlord X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 12:38:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be2dcaed615f_a403f8eda8d45c029784b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Right, though HTTP with TCP failover is a very important use case. But even without TCP, there are other options, such as failover to another IP returned by DNS. Of course, if you have exhausted all options, waiting may be the best alternative left. I would delegate guidance on this to a draft akin to Happy Eyeballs for QUIC (Applicability draft?). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1917#issuecomment-436609538 ----==_mimepart_5be2dcaed615f_a403f8eda8d45c029784b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Right, though HTTP with TCP failover is a very important use case. But= even without TCP, there are other options, such as failover to another I= P returned by DNS. Of course, if you have exhausted all options, waiting = may be the best alternative left. I would delegate guidance on this to a = draft akin to Happy Eyeballs for QUIC (Applicability draft?).

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This also applies to one rtt data as well sent in the client first fli= ght. If one rtt arrives before cfin, then the read key cannot be used by = the server yet, and it might drop or buffer a few of these packets. This = could appear as a loss to the client. We got bit by this a few months ago= .

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Unparking, per rough consensus to go forward with the spin bit in BKK.=

I think the right way forward here is to:

  • refer to the spin-exp document from the new short header definition, = once the first-octet discussion is complete (I checked the notes, but it'= s not clear that the discussion converged)
  • work out the details of a spin-bit based approach to signaling RTT in= -spin-exp
  • work out the details of measuring the spin bit in -manageability (not= e: much of this is already in section 3.6, and needs only minor tweaks)
  • merge -spin-exp into -transport once we settle on the details.

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= ----==_mimepart_5be2fb1decf4a_672f3fa74c6d45c41221cf-- From nobody Wed Nov 7 06:49:38 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E92D0130DD1 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 06:49:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WA7FKD2-Y5WB for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 06:49:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A4AAA12EB11 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 06:49:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 06:49:35 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541602175; bh=R/Vr7xGq3WRKgNQRURxMHMNs2sJ4Gz5PJBNR90YldCs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=CGj9BFIPGlTOVz3/wNjt5Muww7Okfgm7xRfbgHzA587+Hm304fTJmfABo2RIshj4s aVBw+rGIHJMpBWwBmhAfeCNF3JEb0nnapg1DYTErgEmjb5L3k0rsT0JyJRdPzhcdOI QW7cnN6eF3x5ofGNEkDbFQizHLFv+3spGZ677TNw= From: Brian Trammell Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Spin bit should be applied per each 5-tuple rather than per connection (#1828) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be2fb7fc64b0_32f83f9dde4d45c011713"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: britram X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 14:49:38 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be2fb7fc64b0_32f83f9dde4d45c011713 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unparking together with #631 -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1828#issuecomment-436647884 ----==_mimepart_5be2fb7fc64b0_32f83f9dde4d45c011713 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

unparking together with #631

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Agree with @kazuho, this should be per 5-tuple. However, it's not clear what the best way is to reconcile that with our desire to try to reduce CID linkability on migration by making the spin bit reset state (and indeed, even reset spin-participation state) on CID change.

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This issue is directly related to @martinthomson forthcoming changes to the first octet.

The QUIC-LB doc uses the QUIC packet framing to communicate between the load balancer and backend servers, because it is the easiest way for the backend server to have built in support. It already has to handle QUIC packets obviously. In order to differentiate QUIC-LB traffic from normal connection flows, QUIC-LB defines a new QUIC packet type.

If the first octet is changed to only allow for the currently defined packet types in the transport spec, this will cause problems for QUIC-LB. So, we'd like to reserve 1 packet type in the transport spec.

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I'm still holding out for SSL 4.0

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Can=E2=80=99t you use a different version number instead?

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= ----==_mimepart_5be32d32c9756_7b853f9d5f0d45bc352740-- From nobody Wed Nov 7 10:23:09 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BE3612F1AC for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 10:23:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zbfCcIEW4ZIH for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 10:23:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 37611130DC8 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 10:23:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 10:23:03 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541614983; bh=5PyZh1wqGdFgZkfTenK7Hj+B+bYedcNvGW6o7F0IuJI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=zQVoiT0v2s44JDZh3OJVbf6bSw68r36NQilFzQ3pKY9LNnd2mZGRg5CZqA1mYWeuv o8PPnV5XM+vy+NKMFvJPstu+fGBIpXhwdPy2Cu5VUHElsV8pn/ss/13T61yZdiDtM/ I8UqxTo7NcsdrOCMSv0urjV6yMw9MRXeCaIoCJRc= From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Reserve Long Header Packet Type for QUIC-LB (#1980) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be32d8745887_41673fd8646d45bc5578b7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 18:23:07 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be32d8745887_41673fd8646d45bc5578b7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The goal was to match the QUIC-LB version with the transport version. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1980#issuecomment-436726415 ----==_mimepart_5be32d8745887_41673fd8646d45bc5578b7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The goal was to match the QUIC-LB version with the transport version.

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Based on the offline discussion at Bangkok, my understanding is that w= e have two possibilities; either suggest that:

  • when more than one connections are coalesced onto a single 5-tuple, s= pin none of them
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= ----==_mimepart_5be32eeab4c59_1d453fc2d88d45c034944b-- From nobody Wed Nov 7 10:38:48 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D46012F1AC for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 10:38:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VHFO53fb7Hy6 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 10:38:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C74D0128CFD for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 10:38:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 10:38:44 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541615924; bh=gX6UrKrAgTNjclPbaNIiETMebML2Z+QjzLZ7pojPk/E=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=cxFEz7QOX3ugX3ZNg6sTViiyrBiW7UkONFRb07k6ktMDFiiRfpGrSEmSL+TPRcSr3 hW9JQyoPTMq1L4SotbIpEcK21qe1x0lDuNIn35dQHh37/wYaDgI8F8nCMn1Vbv463n 6yYlKSOdCa6Y71W9d2hT+PYEyhF1W1Ne4wF56WW8= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Reserve Long Header Packet Type for QUIC-LB (#1980) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be33134207ef_37893fe0d8ed45c4142375e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 18:38:47 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be33134207ef_37893fe0d8ed45c4142375e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah. While that sounds like a logical point of view from QUIC-LB's perspective, I wonder if it is possible to have such a property guaranteed, because IMO it sounds like requesting an invariant for (at this moment) an individual draft. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1980#issuecomment-436731614 ----==_mimepart_5be33134207ef_37893fe0d8ed45c4142375e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Yeah. While that sounds like a logical point of view from QUIC-LB's perspective, I wonder if it is possible to have such a property guaranteed, because IMO it sounds like requesting an invariant for (at this moment) an individual draft.

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We're not asking for an invariant. The reserved packet type in each version of QUIC-LB could be different.

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The spec states that initial packets sent by clients which have not pr= eviously received a Retry packet must populate the Destination Connection= ID field with an unpredictable value, and that the value MUST be at leas= t 8 bytes in length.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -710,16 +710,14 @@ based on the client's initial Destination Connection ID, as described in
 {{initial-secrets}}.
 
 The keys used for packet protection are computed from the TLS secrets using the
-method described in Section 7.3 of {{!TLS13}}), except that the label for
-HKDF-Expand-Label uses the prefix "quic " rather than "tls13 ". A different
-label provides key separation between TLS and QUIC.
+method described in Section 7.3 of {{!TLS13}}).
 
 For example, where TLS might use a label of 0x002009746c733133206b657900 to
 derive a key, QUIC uses 0x00200871756963206b657900.

Cut the example

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You could spin them all together. Detecting an edge across all connec= tions based on an increase in largest received packet number in each shou= ld work.

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----==_mimepart_5be396191bc28_57723f83704d45bc29808b-- From nobody Wed Nov 7 18:37:42 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5044130E11 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 18:37:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Slz9BCvFFmgV for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 18:37:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0ECDF130DD3 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 18:37:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 18:37:35 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541644655; bh=Pex0ugAy2yDV9CUJlt8APVmFV55kSRNYcpZsdPamhXs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Xk0+CJ2AQZrv8QUYFFkKOD8IuHusU1jdu8SE4j06Oab98KB7rHuK/mOvkdlSf/v8m 34aq2cefOBuHFo0uPFYld2DR3N3Mh/gvwwzphyLJJEkwp2FniscdYPM54LJYVJ0fSj CTT9A0nTee63nZq3xGQ4IDVS+FDLPM7pFlAvY5Z0= From: Bob Briscoe Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Sender-Controlled Delayed ACK Ratio (#1978) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be3a16fcab33_7bac3fceb2ad45c497330"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: bbriscoe X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2018 02:37:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be3a16fcab33_7bac3fceb2ad45c497330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Regarding whether the interaction mode is 'always repeat' or 'set and change'. I have no strong views. My goal was to suggest the simplest possible protocol that would induce minimal push-back from implementers. Also, perhaps one that could be back-ported to TCP, to leverage shared experience. On the question of whether ack_ratio would change frequently, if the sender is routinely setting it to cwnd/8 (say) it will change frequently. Similarly if the sender has implemented AckCC (but I suspect AckCC won't often be active). Whatever, this mechanism is not an invariant, so the approach can be changed based on experience. @ianswett I've added goals (my subsequent scenarios posting was intended to serve that purpose, but yes that's good practice for a first post). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1978#issuecomment-436852616 ----==_mimepart_5be3a16fcab33_7bac3fceb2ad45c497330 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Regarding whether the interaction mode is 'always repeat' or 'set and = change'. I have no strong views. My goal was to suggest the simplest poss= ible protocol that would induce minimal push-back from implementers. Also= , perhaps one that could be back-ported to TCP, to leverage shared experi= ence.

On the question of whether ack_ratio would change frequently, if the s= ender is routinely setting it to cwnd/8 (say) it will change frequently. = Similarly if the sender has implemented AckCC (but I suspect AckCC won't = often be active).

Whatever, this mechanism is not an invariant, so the approach can be c= hanged based on experience.

@ianswett I've added goals (my subsequent scenarios postin= g was intended to serve that purpose, but yes that's good practice for a = first post).

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Isn't this covered by 5.2.2?

If the packet is an Initial packet fully conforming with the specifica= tion, the server proceeds with the handshake (Section 7). This commits th= e server to the version that the client selected.
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If I remember correctly, we had a lengthy discussion of @mar= tinduke's proposal at one of the early interims. The conclusion was t= o count ACKs for congestion control, because QUIC ACK frames can become q= uite large, and therefore should be considered as load on the network. Th= e exception for ACK-only packets is unfortunate, but the only way to not = end up in an acknowledgement loop.

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----==_mimepart_5be3a6f83484_4a8d3fd10bcd45bc879b2-- From nobody Wed Nov 7 19:08:18 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B25E6130E23 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 19:08:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fnzC6daDtwcL for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 19:08:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-10.smtp.github.com (out-10.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E2B0C130DD3 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 19:08:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 19:08:13 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541646493; bh=MehLjTSKy88dS6HN23foTTIibZcJYr+HZW+xGmVxHVE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=e8pigDE+zEfxPvQ9Pi4ge4f3mE+BqabQ/sp3ylaCxP82i4W5w9XurIoDfPhCBnqAo vypHqj/HFtzqjfUiS1EF+IswzGrXb9OrF2yCcW5fJMsw89kITuPZPzEnxkfd55BG+x y7JGrBJUIIjAfcS14CX5E6j2kkDLMHs1NkmLJW+A= From: Subodh Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Reserve Long Header Packet Type for QUIC-LB (#1980) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be3a89d1ff8e_339b3fdd7a2d45b44624c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: siyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2018 03:08:16 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be3a89d1ff8e_339b3fdd7a2d45b44624c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've spoken about this offline with @martinduke. I think that using a QUIC packet for this is not necessary at all and might be detrimental in some cases. For example, there is a circular dependency to talk to a particular server to assign it a connid when it doesn't currently have a connid assigned to it. I think this will open up a can of worms though. When we add a packet type for a lb packet, we might want to add a packet type for a health check packet, etc. and other use cases which adds up to several bits. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1980#issuecomment-436857959 ----==_mimepart_5be3a89d1ff8e_339b3fdd7a2d45b44624c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I've spoken about this offline with @martinduke. I think= that using a QUIC packet for this is not necessary at all and might be d= etrimental in some cases. For example, there is a circular dependency to = talk to a particular server to assign it a connid when it doesn't current= ly have a connid assigned to it.

I think this will open up a can of worms though. When we add a packet = type for a lb packet, we might want to add a packet type for a health che= ck packet, etc. and other use cases which adds up to several bits.

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= ----==_mimepart_5be3a89d1ff8e_339b3fdd7a2d45b44624c-- From nobody Wed Nov 7 19:13:46 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63143130EE2 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 19:13:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J2k1HMLeCYOr for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 19:13:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-15.smtp.github.com (out-15.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D9897130EF7 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 19:13:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 19:13:30 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541646810; bh=OLtmRkO3fQVME2IPvvvTrKWpL6TumbgP9/+kmCCtSxg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=cycKHgM3ngOkWdzvGMAoXq8HYF6CYXGBt4JqRla6lFQJF5BhR07+gs1jJTj5I0AaK kL05dcdmkWheuqUHWcaXcRWKVze9QSr9d29btAFMIgpqntKiu9zJzWhcPomZ7aEOu6 f+eEEwlZZ+vHRboaHYzaXXbAOc3MtCRiPZglHpvE= From: Subodh Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Sender-Controlled Delayed ACK Ratio (#1978) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be3a9da615b_62e23fb4274d45c09472d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: siyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2018 03:13:40 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be3a9da615b_62e23fb4274d45c09472d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think this is great, but would definitely add a requirement that this behavior should be a SHOULD instead of MUST. The receiver able to say no to a too small value, for instance. Sending more frequent acks in UDP could generate a lot of small packets which have a CPU impact. To prevent DoS the receiver should be able to reject insane values. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1978#issuecomment-436858787 ----==_mimepart_5be3a9da615b_62e23fb4274d45c09472d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think this is great, but would definitely add a requirement that thi= s behavior should be a SHOULD instead of MUST. The receiver able to say n= o to a too small value, for instance. Sending more frequent acks in UDP c= ould generate a lot of small packets which have a CPU impact. To prevent = DoS the receiver should be able to reject insane values.

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= ----==_mimepart_5be3a9da615b_62e23fb4274d45c09472d-- From nobody Wed Nov 7 19:28:06 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32C4A130DD3 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 19:28:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3YvO2dmhy0c0 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 19:28:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2065B12958B for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 19:28:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 19:28:02 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541647682; bh=ACsBdyJhd+TDwi1LJJsd1pA1i4zCt+D976YxGGy9Vqw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=fEFXUvnwHPblHcinkQZMMcUFafegppL4qCZHW2v+aq6m3tfUuoQaWVrsaUvT08fMw e0iaYAs1ZKH+oFiuAonK/972XIvw7rcBe5x9XvlQ+JOXIPjxhUsOU2AwSkRuLTbZ5F 7RL49ARQqL4RDs2SZ9IwQly9vLb5F5r3enV1Aciw= From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Reserve Long Header Packet Type for QUIC-LB (#1980) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be3ad421d6af_18163fa8cead45c439768"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2018 03:28:05 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be3ad421d6af_18163fa8cead45c439768 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @siyengar I disagree with both of your points. For one, the QUIC-LB explicitly doesn't use CIDs. The SCID/DCID length fields are zero. Second, the QUIC-LB is itself an extensible packet. It has subtypes that can be used for configuration or things like the health check. That kind of stuff is exactly what this new packet type would allow. Because of migration, QUIC is a lot more complicated that TCP or plain UDP when it comes to load balancing so we need a standard way to do this, ideally built into the QUIC server implementations that plan to run behind a load balancer. The path of least resistance is to use the same framing logic that those server already have. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1980#issuecomment-436861077 ----==_mimepart_5be3ad421d6af_18163fa8cead45c439768 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@siyengar I disagree with both of your points. For one, the= QUIC-LB explicitly doesn't use CIDs. The SCID/DCID length fields are zer= o. Second, the QUIC-LB is itself an extensible packet. It has subtypes th= at can be used for configuration or things like the health check. That ki= nd of stuff is exactly what this new packet type would allow. Because of = migration, QUIC is a lot more complicated that TCP or plain UDP when it c= omes to load balancing so we need a standard way to do this, ideally buil= t into the QUIC server implementations that plan to run behind a load bal= ancer. The path of least resistance is to use the same framing logic that= those server already have.

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We're not asking for an invariant. The reserved packet type in each ve= rsion of QUIC-LB could be different.

Yeah. My point is that requiring each QUIC version to follow a particu= lar design constraint (in this case reserve a code point) is what Invaria= nts is.

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= ----==_mimepart_5be3af309cc60_18363fa8cead45c474058-- From nobody Wed Nov 7 19:38:30 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE491130E4B for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 19:38:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FgrJHRtoZ2HV for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 19:38:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-10.smtp.github.com (out-10.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B1A712958B for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 19:38:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 19:38:23 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541648304; bh=+1+pJs0l+kqxqIZ/FY3q8qhT179EEm9pUuopEfPk2WM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ojV0l5KP2/NhHocti4AHjD07bNIDi6yfPuwo8Ieqyq10wvOGLozvlVfYK4FjKIedw uNsWYfMSjQ+fvvmZXNYphI5WIYGd8BqbbwsF6iBarMc8Ty5p7yEr2XUXhmarYq+tHL btTOP4h3+C1fbJf3Hqz585XyH8YY69iuXkGf//ko= From: adamroach Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Since ekr asked.... (#1973) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be3afafb0a33_63233fb4274d45c02498d8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: adamroach X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2018 03:38:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be3afafb0a33_63233fb4274d45c02498d8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit adamroach commented on this pull request. > + +As in HTTP/2, Zanzibar/BuckBuck/McFate uses special pseudo-header fields +beginning with the ':' character (ASCII 0x3a) to convey the target URI, the +method of the request, and the status code for the response. These +pseudo-header fields are defined in Section 8.1.2.3 and 8.1.2.4 of {{!RFC7540}}. +Pseudo-header fields are not HTTP header fields. Endpoints MUST NOT generate +pseudo-header fields other than those defined in {{!RFC7540}}. The restrictions +on the use of pseudo-header fields in Section 8.1.2.1 of {{!RFC7540}} also apply +to Zanzibar/BuckBuck/McFate. + +Zanzibar/BuckBuck/McFate uses QPACK header compression as described in [QPACK], +a variation of HPACK which allows the flexibility to avoid +header-compression-induced head-of-line blocking. See that document for +additional details. + +An Zanzibar/BuckBuck/McFate implementation MAY impose a limit on the maximum Nit: "A Zanzibar/BuckBuck/McFate implementation..." -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1973#pullrequestreview-172795886 ----==_mimepart_5be3afafb0a33_63233fb4274d45c02498d8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@adamroach commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +
+As in HTTP/2, Zanzibar/BuckBuck/McFate uses special pseudo-header fields
+beginning with the ':' character (ASCII 0x3a) to convey the target URI, the
+method of the request, and the status code for the response.  These
+pseudo-header fields are defined in Section 8.1.2.3 and 8.1.2.4 of {{!RFC7540}}.
+Pseudo-header fields are not HTTP header fields.  Endpoints MUST NOT generate
+pseudo-header fields other than those defined in {{!RFC7540}}.  The restrictions
+on the use of pseudo-header fields in Section 8.1.2.1 of {{!RFC7540}} also apply
+to Zanzibar/BuckBuck/McFate.
+
+Zanzibar/BuckBuck/McFate uses QPACK header compression as described in [QPACK],
+a variation of HPACK which allows the flexibility to avoid
+header-compression-induced head-of-line blocking.  See that document for
+additional details.
+
+An Zanzibar/BuckBuck/McFate implementation MAY impose a limit on the maximum

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----==_mimepart_5be3afafb0a33_63233fb4274d45c02498d8-- From nobody Wed Nov 7 19:53:39 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19F2B12958B for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 19:53:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dzvthyI_p6N5 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 19:53:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A8FA91293FB for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 19:53:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 19:53:35 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541649215; bh=62sEe2bDc80XKSCoPzhoUJXHaNzZtfGifMV8BItt/iE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=CS2HU2m6RAY6cspbDkgqg3nDMeXkpa5FOb0M2dboOHSGiubvqrjUaIbq9WHk9jhub vsx3jeDGTei68FVZzzMVlbL59wONrNLppk59d9p7YRy5F9m3SWQ73pdJbZzVqVhNLI w64Ali3RShTOdPHg03cRS9+p+aKC98t6wuvdl1bc= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Spin bit should be applied per each 5-tuple rather than per connection (#1828) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be3b33fa2372_61483fa2b84d45b420047a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2018 03:53:38 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be3b33fa2372_61483fa2b84d45b420047a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not sure per 5-tuple is actually implementable in most environments. Servers in particular would have a hard time coordinating the right value. And the algorithm of latching the value to reflect to the largest packet number's value is undefined if there are a multiple packet number spaces. So I think we need to do per CID? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1828#issuecomment-436864870 ----==_mimepart_5be3b33fa2372_61483fa2b84d45b420047a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm not sure per 5-tuple is actually implementable in most environment= s. Servers in particular would have a hard time coordinating the right v= alue.

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I agree that per-path is not feasibly implemented. We'd have to acknowledge the possibility that multiple connections that share a path are not required to coordinate.

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@kazuho the QUIC-LB packet would be no more invariant than the = Initial long header packet. I don't see how you could call it invariant. = Perhaps in V2, we do something different, maybe just a different value, m= aybe removed all together, maybe request more packet types. But bottom li= ne, we are requesting 1 QUIC v1 packet type right now. Nothing invariant.=

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I don't like the idea of using an additional packet type, especially s= ince the current mapping has the nice property that we're actually using = all 4 encodable packet types.
Using a new packet type, which is not an invariant, has the additional un= pleasant property that you'll potentially have update QUIC-LB every time = we're releasing a new QUIC version.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +
+As in HTTP/2, Zanzibar/BuckBuck/McFate uses special pseudo-header fields=

+beginning with the ':' character (ASCII 0x3a) to convey the targ=
et URI, the
+method of the request, and the status code for the response.  These
+pseudo-header fields are defined in Section 8.1.2.3 and 8.1.2.4 of {{!RF=
C7540}}.
+Pseudo-header fields are not HTTP header fields.  Endpoints MUST NOT gen=
erate
+pseudo-header fields other than those defined in {{!RFC7540}}.  The rest=
rictions
+on the use of pseudo-header fields in Section 8.1.2.1 of {{!RFC7540}} al=
so apply
+to Zanzibar/BuckBuck/McFate.
+
+Zanzibar/BuckBuck/McFate uses QPACK header compression as described in [=
QPACK],
+a variation of HPACK which allows the flexibility to avoid
+header-compression-induced head-of-line blocking.  See that document for=

+additional details.
+
+An Zanzibar/BuckBuck/McFate implementation MAY impose a limit on the max=
imum
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-An Zanzibar/BuckBuck/McFate implementation MA=
Y impose a limit on the maximum
+A Zanzibar/BuckBuck/McFate implementation MAY impose a limit on the maxi=
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I think sending an update frame is right but I really would like to avoid a generic UPDATE_TRANSPORT_PARAMS frame because it vastly complicates implementations that distribute settings to subcomponents.

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Yes definitely - two connections should be required to coordinate.

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----==_mimepart_5be3f2c32af8a_8763feab9ad45c466420-- From nobody Thu Nov 8 01:59:38 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E86F123FFD for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 01:59:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wvNW8i5EPORv for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 01:59:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B102F130E23 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 01:59:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=4I8rHu/wWzlorUjpx6tHtniWVr4=; b=CNh6ENnBE8Aq/vrf wCd7K9DjwL9D7/28HDjzY1vtA5sY80ocbGFMd9tGy732pNInjK+QQWbzfK1cH/Yt dLg4AGy3RE+in8TkYc9T/T8Qm8kt7NvVfvvZq6XNwpAhrrzpHRYeEjQ/Sl1AzBDn wSHdcsSnADztHYa+VFx3mgKA+mI= Received: by filter0797p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0797p1las1-26489-5BE40905-2A 2018-11-08 09:59:34.018570281 +0000 UTC m=+60473.472955263 Received: from github-lowworker-fc273f0.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.33]) by ismtpd0008p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id GixylqQuSBqsPc9x_SpxHA for ; Thu, 08 Nov 2018 09:59:34.028 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-fc273f0.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E29DDC0F68 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 01:59:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2018 09:59:35 +0000 (UTC) From: Brian Trammell Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Spin bit should be applied per each 5-tuple rather than per connection (#1828) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be40905e03fb_1cc83fcee16d45bc2074f0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: britram X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0Clv6NlPYSY7Wx8rDs5EpEihbLoyC9hGiEPM kHjTWq9eauRpz9WrMql3LuI1ZOLlRqkfOl/7wd75G7aG/rQWafaH7YbuNZL9erDPBxIvjW1DlIOeIp S/fXr2Rh1WjnyoKK2Fig7ajr24W4gdzZNkyPtm+J6/+HGikBt3UCOlbYn8F752+tRrrJ6fhOsgWDfR w= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2018 09:59:38 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be40905e03fb_1cc83fcee16d45bc2074f0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I tend to agree with @ianswett here -- while different CIDs may often represent connections between the same processes (and therefore with similar e2e delays at a given instant in time), this is not guaranteed to be the case. Is per-CID spin a useful passive measurement signal in the general case, though? Stepping back, there seem to be two broad usage patterns with partially conflicting requirements here: - possibly-mobile client with load-balanced server. Here the server proposes non-zero-length CIDs, and the client proposes a zero-length CID. The client will generally not use one server CID at a time. Since the CID reserve a client has exists to attempt to reduce address linkability on a rebinding event, the spin state should not be shared across CIDs -- this language has been in spin-exp since London (*) - client-server connection using CID multiplexing. In this case, both client and server CIDs must be in use, though the CID size does not necessarily need to be the same in each direction. Migration linkability mitigation is harder in this case, and it's not clear to me that it's even a requirement. Here, per-5-tuple-spin would be possible. (note that in this case the server also has to keep CID-2-tuples around, so @ianswett's point that per-CID is hard on the server does not apply here) Per-5-tuple spin is clearly more useful to the path -- otherwise, on-path devices has to use heuristics to guess the CID (node, this is not very hard if it has a few packets, but it needs to keep a header buffer up to max CID length until it locks on, and it can use heuristics about well-known servers/CDNs/configurations to make an initial guess that will be correct almost all of the time -- in any case, any on-path measurement device offering RTT information will also probably offer flow information). But it seems impossible to do for those cases where we care about reducing spin state contribution to rebinding linkability. * as I've pointed out at many times in the past, rebinding linkability reduction still seems to rely on incredibly wishful thinking to me, and I'd really like to see some data on the anonymity set sizes for rebindings in the temporal domain. Even in the case that linkability reduction has a practical benefit, spin state adds a tiny fraction of a bit of information, so blanking spin state on CID change is of vanishingly small benefit. However, it is consistent with the rest of the protocol's design, and I'm still willing to pretend it's a useful exercise, because there seems to be broad consensus that we believe in it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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I tend to agree with @ianswett here -- while different CIDs may = often represent connections between the same processes (and therefore with = similar e2e delays at a given instant in time), this is not guaranteed to b= e the case. Is per-CID spin a useful passive measurement signal in the gene= ral case, though?

Stepping back, there seem to be two broad usage patterns with partially = conflicting requirements here:

  • possibly-mobile client with load-balanced server. Here the server propos= es non-zero-length CIDs, and the client proposes a zero-length CID. The cli= ent will generally not use one server CID at a time. Since the CID reserve = a client has exists to attempt to reduce address linkability on a rebinding= event, the spin state should not be shared across CIDs -- this language ha= s been in spin-exp since London (*)

  • client-server connection using CID multiplexing. In this case, both clie= nt and server CIDs must be in use, though the CID size does not necessarily= need to be the same in each direction. Migration linkability mitigation is= harder in this case, and it's not clear to me that it's even a requirement= . Here, per-5-tuple-spin would be possible. (note that in this case the ser= ver also has to keep CID-2-tuples around, so @ianswett's point that p= er-CID is hard on the server does not apply here)

Per-5-tuple spin is clearly more useful to the path -- otherwise, on-pat= h devices has to use heuristics to guess the CID (node, this is not very ha= rd if it has a few packets, but it needs to keep a header buffer up to max = CID length until it locks on, and it can use heuristics about well-known se= rvers/CDNs/configurations to make an initial guess that will be correct alm= ost all of the time -- in any case, any on-path measurement device offering= RTT information will also probably offer flow information). But it seems i= mpossible to do for those cases where we care about reducing spin state con= tribution to rebinding linkability.

  • as I've pointed out at many times in the past, rebinding linkability re= duction still seems to rely on incredibly wishful thinking to me, and I'd r= eally like to see some data on the anonymity set sizes for rebindings in th= e temporal domain. Even in the case that linkability reduction has a practi= cal benefit, spin state adds a tiny fraction of a bit of information, so bl= anking spin state on CID change is of vanishingly small benefit. However, i= t is consistent with the rest of the protocol's design, and I'm still willi= ng to pretend it's a useful exercise, because there seems to be broad conse= nsus that we believe in it.

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= ----==_mimepart_5be40905e03fb_1cc83fcee16d45bc2074f0-- From nobody Thu Nov 8 02:26:17 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 863A512008A for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 02:26:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aNKjrKIS-sOk for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 02:26:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F86E128CB7 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 02:26:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2018 02:26:11 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541672771; bh=XdD7hwxkrK4scHR0c4FUXVKYwkyqOwAitabbPCmM8Ss=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=gJf3y/jyvzFoBz7REfpLUSe3uwRdsznfrcsfYPyAWhqIuSd6tADAu/0uZvczFO1TY DZE6AWuoEEig/rmJ9e5szISpUZFnxnm8DYbEgpogadMXiup7ktPTk+Ca0BVTOsT6Tc 1vmKnVln+7kFB1FKB60GRVIV7aQsM/NCpqs1vlX8= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Spin bit should be applied per each 5-tuple rather than per connection (#1828) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be40f4378ba8_663c3f7e48ed45bc297a4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2018 10:26:16 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be40f4378ba8_663c3f7e48ed45bc297a4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit please note my above edit - connections should not need to coordinate. @britram: on your first point: if the client is potentially mobile and actively moving to a new IP, it MUST have a non-zero CID length. A stationary client can of course still rebind via NAT but then zero-length is valid. on your second point - per CID spin-bit multiplexing: it may be acceptable for single connection, but not over multiple connections multiplexing because the entity that produces packets may be running independently in different logical processes or even on isolated hardware in extreme cases. I agree on your last point the linkability is unrealistic to avoid in praxis. The consensus thinking is, however, that it should be attempted to the extend possible. While I disgree, this appears to be the working assumption. I think spin bit per CID as as easy as 5-tuple because you need a hashed entry in either case to track state. A spin bit per connection should be impossible if anti-linkage is working. Of course with respect to reporting any operational issues, a 5-tuple is more useful than a CID, but the hashed entry can include path information. The main problem with spin bit visiblity is a specific end-user standing out as the only one not contributing with spin bits. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1828#issuecomment-436946686 ----==_mimepart_5be40f4378ba8_663c3f7e48ed45bc297a4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

please note my above edit - connections should not need to coordinate.=

@britram:

on your first point: if the client is potentially mobile and actively = moving to a new IP, it MUST have a non-zero CID length. A stationary clie= nt can of course still rebind via NAT but then zero-length is valid.

on your second point - per CID spin-bit multiplexing: it may be accept= able for single connection, but not over multiple connections multiplexin= g because the entity that produces packets may be running independently i= n different logical processes or even on isolated hardware in extreme cas= es.

I agree on your last point the linkability is unrealistic to avoid in = praxis. The consensus thinking is, however, that it should be attempted t= o the extend possible. While I disgree, this appears to be the working as= sumption.

I think spin bit per CID as as easy as 5-tuple because you need a hash= ed entry in either case to track state. A spin bit per connection should = be impossible if anti-linkage is working. Of course with respect to repor= ting any operational issues, a 5-tuple is more useful than a CID, but the= hashed entry can include path information.

The main problem with spin bit visiblity is a specific end-user standi= ng out as the only one not contributing with spin bits.

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The goal is to create an anonymity set that consistent with avoidance of spin bit for hidden servers. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1982 -- Commit Summary -- * Merge pull request #8 from quicwg/master * Specify spin enabling depends on peer address. -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md (12) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1982.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1982.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1982 ----==_mimepart_5be41fbd1ac51_79b83fd3f5ad45b89421b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Specify that the enabling/disabling of the spin bit should depend on the peer address. The goal is to create an anonymity set that consistent with avoidance of spin bit for hidden servers.

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  • Merge pull request #8 from quicwg/master
  • Specify spin enabling depends on peer address.

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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

>  
-When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero,
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least 1/8th of the connections, or
+1/8th of the paths when doing migrations. The random choice SHOULD be dependent
+on the address of the peer, so that the spin bit is consistently enables or
+disabled for repeated connections to the same address.
+

That won't work well in server p2p where many connections go through the same 5-tuple because either all or no traffic will get spins. It will also will not work well when a cluster of servers target the same IP using the same PRNG /hash algorithm. You need to depend on the source address as well.

I think 1/8th of CIDs would be better.

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----==_mimepart_5be4217966d78_4a53ff26fcd45b410937e-- From nobody Thu Nov 8 03:51:37 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56414130E46 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 03:51:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FwVw_MYXzcs1 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 03:51:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8BD62123FFD for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 03:51:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2018 03:51:32 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541677892; bh=hkKDXN7HuQ3/1DjKhyqy1N6gXMic41xVDcyOEyhye1U=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=vvzOFfmc8BtBmRVrjOUDKGFhLO79ss58GjUo4f2UA8+LqoD60cEKgvIL5smclh67m PWhc2g32a1/nHeRjvLHAak/BuiThSAah+MOiP7Zt5qB0BkhqfkgGfsmyiW+AkIDaQr C0m2cBIcrv+Fij29a7nU9/GLsEcWLLEOATgljDVc= From: erickinnear Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Spin per peer (#1982) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be4234497949_45a53fea5b0d45b4147170"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: erickinnear X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2018 11:51:35 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be4234497949_45a53fea5b0d45b4147170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit erickinnear commented on this pull request. > -When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero, +The selection process SHOULD be designed such that +on average the spin bit is disabled for at least 1/8th of the connections, or +1/8th of the paths when doing migrations. The random choice SHOULD be dependent +on the address of the peer, so that the spin bit is consistently enables or +disabled for repeated connections to the same address. + It does seem like after reading the discussion in issue #1828 that spinning per CID would be better. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1982#discussion_r231858963 ----==_mimepart_5be4234497949_45a53fea5b0d45b4147170 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

>  
-When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero,
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least 1/8th of the connections, or
+1/8th of the paths when doing migrations. The random choice SHOULD be dependent
+on the address of the peer, so that the spin bit is consistently enables or
+disabled for repeated connections to the same address.
+

It does seem like after reading the discussion in issue #1828 that spinning per CID would be better.

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Section 4.3.1.1 of draft 16 says:
A Retry or Version Negotiation packet causes a client to send another
Initial packet, effectively restarting the connection process.

Either packet indicates that the Initial was received but not
processed. Neither packet can be treated as an acknowledgment for
the Initial, but they MAY be used to improve the RTT estimate.

Should we clear handshake_count when an Retry or Version Negotiation packet is received after Initial is sent (maybe multiple times)? Otherwise, the new Initial could be delayed extra if Initial is lost and needs retransmission.

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Am I correct in assuming that the following line is missing at the end?

    lr += 1

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----==_mimepart_5be4eeaaedec1_73b63f9f7b4d45b8139619-- From nobody Thu Nov 8 18:25:17 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B576E128D0C for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 18:25:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AQTkFjJrdPVe for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 18:25:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 51FB3124D68 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 18:25:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2018 18:25:14 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541730314; bh=Yc1PtJtkLMjfc5W8zWaKmAWP8mAqzsAsvh4oumZxc6M=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=orIGdZdJDTvqPXtPKhQHRE45oV6/HQLCDvt2fJiPhzmi42zu+7wGNy+M4VJFEk1YU F5PpICeKEJnZmOteqOkdtyWXqmu+a8d4NlRnRFbkKfUOKWhEKD3quvqexfSx9eEOpH xrkj7znpu4nJzv+pOCKEhsDbmIc6JDx5KbeInl9g= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Spin per peer (#1982) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be4f00a87505_27963fe6f40d45c4110069"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2018 02:25:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be4f00a87505_27963fe6f40d45c4110069 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit huitema commented on this pull request. > -When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero, +The selection process SHOULD be designed such that +on average the spin bit is disabled for at least 1/8th of the connections, or +1/8th of the paths when doing migrations. The random choice SHOULD be dependent +on the address of the peer, so that the spin bit is consistently enables or +disabled for repeated connections to the same address. + The goal here is to provide an anonymity set for client/servers when the RTT would reveal the presence of a VPN or proxy. These clients and servers will disable the spin bit when talking to each other. The adversary will observe that the spin bit is never set for the corresponding 5 tuple. My goal is to specify a masking behavior in which "non hiding" clients also never set the spin bit for a few 5-tuples. In the case of multiplexed use of a 5 tuple, I actually like the global on-off switch. It matches the style of anonymity set that we want. And, yes, I should add the source address in the mix. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1982#discussion_r232126306 ----==_mimepart_5be4f00a87505_27963fe6f40d45c4110069 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

>  
-When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero,
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least 1/8th of the connections, or
+1/8th of the paths when doing migrations. The random choice SHOULD be dependent
+on the address of the peer, so that the spin bit is consistently enables or
+disabled for repeated connections to the same address.
+

The goal here is to provide an anonymity set for client/servers when the RTT would reveal the presence of a VPN or proxy. These clients and servers will disable the spin bit when talking to each other. The adversary will observe that the spin bit is never set for the corresponding 5 tuple. My goal is to specify a masking behavior in which "non hiding" clients also never set the spin bit for a few 5-tuples.

In the case of multiplexed use of a 5 tuple, I actually like the global on-off switch. It matches the style of anonymity set that we want.

And, yes, I should add the source address in the mix.

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The IETF RACK/TLP draft for TCP has a more dynamic hybrid of RACK ("ti= me-based") and dupthresh ("packet-based") recovery: dupthresh is used at = first, but then turned off when any reordering is detected. The idea bein= g that a packet-based threshold is too sensitive on networks with moderat= e reordering. It would be easy to adapt this to QUIC. Along with the dyna= mic time-based reordering threshold that is a MAY in the QUIC spec right = now iirc, this would go under the general heading of "reordering toleranc= e."

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Thanks Matt, is there evidence the current RACK algorithm is a good ap= proach for mixing packet and time reordering thresholds dynamically?

I believe there were few experiments that showed starting with time-on= ly caused regressions on flows with little to no reordering, particularly= in low RTT environments where the alarm granularity is comparable to the= RTT.

If we think there's enough evidence the current RACK algorithm is clos= e to optimal, I'm happy to put that in, but given RACK is not yet an RFC,= I was under the impression it was still evolving?

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While I agree with @nibanks that an additional codepoint would be desirable, if the WG likes it better QUIC-LB might simply use the RETRY codepoint. It will likely be straightforward to disambiguate this, if we take a little care.

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----==_mimepart_5be507c3ef797_214e3f97a2cd45b481588-- From nobody Fri Nov 9 01:36:02 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 102C912F18C for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2018 01:36:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IKBDIdmh0kAH for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2018 01:35:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CAA2128DFD for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2018 01:35:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2018 01:35:56 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541756156; bh=36Qu6A06rrmfLSty8TNjToV73uSF3kJzspHSx4xZscM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=T+5lbYDVpL38MhiJoG59Z+2QuisH6mJZvPmjKTsJjBtEZC/VM2+3M2/38P298MSx+ EGql85WO5RI2D8bcqANa/dMzNrOaD/mrtmbp0FmVIpgjy8o4o2EYiVX2+WCdQFE2G2 in0OpyLaK81Eo9VBlAZ/eraL4hKtoir+V9kAu3Ds= From: Subodh Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Recovery uses both time and packet thresholds (#1974) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be554fc8400c_151a3fb3b6cd45c08165f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: siyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2018 09:36:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be554fc8400c_151a3fb3b6cd45c08165f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i think this diff would have to change SetLossDetectionAlarm as well. Currently SetLossDetectionAlarm sets the loss alarm based on the last unacked packet ``` loss_detection_timer.set( time_of_last_sent_retransmittable_packet + timeout) ``` However in the case of time reordering, we would have to set the time based on the least unacked packet instead. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1974#issuecomment-437303613 ----==_mimepart_5be554fc8400c_151a3fb3b6cd45c08165f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

i think this diff would have to change SetLossDetectionAlarm as well. = Currently SetLossDetectionAlarm sets the loss alarm based on the last una= cked packet

   loss_detection_timer.set(
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However in the case of time reordering, we would have to set the time = based on the least unacked packet instead.

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This is the only position where we do not have a whitespace after semicolon, and I assume that it's an editorial error rather than an anomaly in the stats that have been used to build the table.

Hence the PR.

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I brought this up a while ago (IIRC, in Slack). Apparently, this is how it's supposed to be: without the space.

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----==_mimepart_5be5dbbb28b21_16373fb0172d45b81217d2-- From nobody Fri Nov 9 14:28:39 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DDEC1276D0 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2018 14:28:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Lh36rJu2ZPfF for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2018 14:28:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 56B86124D68 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2018 14:28:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2018 14:28:34 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541802514; bh=JG1ltAo02kmKxKmwZU3aq+/ezpPe9i50kxoU3g5E7bs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Y8XdGRZCf5wR8m3tBf9LiBj06Yg1TivFHafzSbOVvr2maac+spf0zd1AzNRW0lWmJ uR/TSrestMHK06qJnL0oWAEifBHtrhsSsC2LnYMqJCRBgrLsqYONUrgDfUlugGsPNG tzmvhy7imjpNVPQ6bnSw2B/+x+EyKsJ+aElVD33k= From: Matt Olson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove kUsingTimeLossDetection from Recovery draft (#1969) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be60a126f069_40023fc8e66d45b8305f2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: maolson-msft X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2018 22:28:38 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be60a126f069_40023fc8e66d45b8305f2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The main dissent I've heard about the current RACK algo is that we shouldn't ship code that tolerates reordering because it might incentivize use of technologies that introduce reordering. Link bonding, for instance, can introduce such reordering supposedly, although that's a bit surprising since you could just hash tuples to NICs. Anyway, that's the narrative. Probably this is something that should be its own Issue and outside the scope of removing the kUsingTimeLossDetection variable. I'll open the new issue. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1969#issuecomment-437514930 ----==_mimepart_5be60a126f069_40023fc8e66d45b8305f2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The main dissent I've heard about the current RACK algo is that we sho= uldn't ship code that tolerates reordering because it might incentivize u= se of technologies that introduce reordering. Link bonding, for instance,= can introduce such reordering supposedly, although that's a bit surprisi= ng since you could just hash tuples to NICs. Anyway, that's the narrative= .

Probably this is something that should be its own Issue and outside th= e scope of removing the kUsingTimeLossDetection variable. I'll open the n= ew issue.

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= ----==_mimepart_5be60a126f069_40023fc8e66d45b8305f2-- From nobody Fri Nov 9 16:27:49 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3A5D12D4EC for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2018 16:27:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QlH1SerJ5BrH for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2018 16:27:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3321A124BE5 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2018 16:27:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2018 16:27:43 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541809663; bh=Omnv2rqtYJJXb+jdmYZGG3DpwkV50Kgy6cQTQ1RmSJA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=R7IgBReSAsHYr3ey87fpI3vth/qNecxdntKCCQtCUJIv6ei8ro/+6v9n7xL8Lw+I8 A5FueKqQ9B0q3pmTUx38O+t35NdiMt8K6+TbcoZTa+7vMgzw2snPogyewXmQfBMhZ0 saJ2R+rQLHUdjMxjzRVh32+16ZSgj1m+ym92pnXU= From: Matt Olson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Consider dynamic hybrid between time-based and packet-based loss detection (#1986) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be625ffa9070_1b523f7febad45bc661b3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: maolson-msft X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 00:27:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be625ffa9070_1b523f7febad45bc661b3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The IETF RACK/TLP draft for TCP has a dynamic hybrid of RACK ("time-based") and dupthresh ("packet-based") recovery: dupthresh is used at first, but then turned off when any reordering is detected. The idea being that a packet-based threshold is too sensitive on networks with moderate reordering. It would be easy to adapt this to QUIC. Along with the dynamic time-based reordering threshold that is a MAY in the QUIC spec right now iirc, this would go under the general heading of "reordering tolerance." The main dissent I've heard is that we shouldn't ship code that tolerates reordering because it might incentivize use of technologies that introduce reordering. Link bonding, for instance, can introduce such reordering supposedly, although that's a bit surprising since you could just hash tuples to NICs. Anyway, that's the narrative. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1986 ----==_mimepart_5be625ffa9070_1b523f7febad45bc661b3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The IETF RACK/TLP draft for TCP has a dynamic hybrid of RACK ("time-based") and dupthresh ("packet-based") recovery: dupthresh is used at first, but then turned off when any reordering is detected. The idea being that a packet-based threshold is too sensitive on networks with moderate reordering. It would be easy to adapt this to QUIC.

Along with the dynamic time-based reordering threshold that is a MAY in the QUIC spec right now iirc, this would go under the general heading of "reordering tolerance." The main dissent I've heard is that we shouldn't ship code that tolerates reordering because it might incentivize use of technologies that introduce reordering. Link bonding, for instance, can introduce such reordering supposedly, although that's a bit surprising since you could just hash tuples to NICs. Anyway, that's the narrative.

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Based on my understanding of modern networking, I'd expect fraction of= packets reordered to increase over time, even if the distance in time is= quite small(ie: ~1ms).

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While reading https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#rfc.section.14, one can read that any Initial packet from client and server MUST be padded to at least 1200 bytes.

The payload of a UDP datagram carrying the Initial packet MUST be expanded to at least 1200 bytes, by adding PADDING frames to the Initial packet and/or by combining the Initial packet with a 0-RTT packet (see Section 12.2).

My understanding is that only client first Initial packet MUST be 1200 bytes. If it is correct, it would be nice to explicitly state that so.

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In an effort to prevent handshake deadlocks due to the amplification factor limiting the number of bytes the server can send, I think it's wise to pad all UDP packets containing a client Initial. I suspect that is why the text is written that way.

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----==_mimepart_5be6e6651dd8d_4f353fab008d45c455083e-- From nobody Sat Nov 10 08:08:54 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D17C128BCC for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2018 08:08:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.469 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.469 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L6Cu6mwOjgXv for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2018 08:08:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ECDBD126CC7 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2018 08:08:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 08:08:48 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541866128; bh=wrhuryyzNQHA3zIWYV036E7OU4soMBklpVRJRSol+OM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ICqd8sMil24LdAp4oG1Yhc7UGCEznHxc9xlMN0qMrEgyQ0p8m1mqwIIEuevah9God 32p1gmynVOcILovqkVmTMSJxnj9SRnj7ZTvNvyuNnvU0KdUDxvJcSnygXtbBmlYAYy 71cR262aPDWgmcGqickVKyiPchkhcHLtXVh+969c= From: Brian Trammell Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add spin bit to transport draft (#1988) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be702908ba8c_10033f94240d45c410315d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: britram X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 16:08:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be702908ba8c_10033f94240d45c410315d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This PR adds the spin bit to the short header in the transport draft, referring to draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp for details. This reference is temporary, while the details of the spin bit are worked out in that document. The intention is then to take the content of spin-exp and incorporate it into the transport and manageability drafts. It also changes the status of spin-exp to Standards Track, to avoid a downref from -transport to an Experimental draft. Note that the details of which bit is the spin bit will change when the first octet discussion resolves; this PR is only meant to establish the reference. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1988 -- Commit Summary -- * add spin bit to transport * typofix; make spin-exp std -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md (2) M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (9) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1988.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1988.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1988 ----==_mimepart_5be702908ba8c_10033f94240d45c410315d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This PR adds the spin bit to the short header in the transport draft, referring to draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp for details. This reference is temporary, while the details of the spin bit are worked out in that document. The intention is then to take the content of spin-exp and incorporate it into the transport and manageability drafts.

It also changes the status of spin-exp to Standards Track, to avoid a downref from -transport to an Experimental draft.

Note that the details of which bit is the spin bit will change when the first octet discussion resolves; this PR is only meant to establish the reference.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1988

Commit Summary

  • add spin bit to transport
  • typofix; make spin-exp std

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Something like "wack", "tracked", "ackent" don't have obvious english = language interpretations

I disagree. While wack (not an adjective!) and tracked (only implies action tangentially) are indeed poor choices, acken= t belongs to a family of English adjectives ending with ent<= /strong> wherein ent implies action related to the suffi= xed part of the word:

  • astringent
  • indulgent
  • pestilent
  • propellent
  • prurient
  • quiescent
  • somnolent
  • truculent
  • urgent

Ackent: causing ACKs. Sounds logical and English to = me.

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While /wack/ (not an adjective!) and /tracked/ (only > implies action tangentially) are indeed poor choices, /ackent/ belongs > to a family of English adjectives ending with *ent* wherein *ent* > implies action related to the suffixed part of the word: > > * astringent > * indulgent > * pestilent > * propellent > * prurient > * quiescent > * somnolent > * truculent > * urgent > > *Ackent*: causing ACKs. Sounds logical and English to me. > I would rather use "truculent" -- Christian Huitema -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1595#issuecomment-437634575 ----==_mimepart_5be77f49ba3cd_7e13f9d908d45c48986df Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On 11/11/2018 7:39 AM, Dmitri Tikhonov wrote:
>
> Something like "wack", "tracked", "acke= nt" don't have obvious
> english language interpretations
>
> I disagree. While /wack/ (not an adjective!) and /tracked/ (only
= > implies action tangentially) are indeed poor choices, /ackent/ belon= gs
> to a family of English adjectives ending with *ent* wherein *ent* > implies action related to the suffixed part of the word:
>
> * astringent
> * indulgent
> * pestilent
> * propellent
> * prurient
> * quiescent
> * somnolent
> * truculent
> * urgent
>
> *Ackent*: causing ACKs. Sounds logical and English to me.
>

I would rather use "truculent"

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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be79bc5b5036_3e4d2af2b3dde57051963"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 03:02:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be79bc5b5036_3e4d2af2b3dde57051963 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials Commit: c076ce2fd6a76aafb29497ce50d40fd1b94219b0 https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/commit/c076ce2fd6a76aafb29497ce50d40fd1b94219b0 Author: Marten Seemann Date: 2018-11-11 (Sun, 11 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M ietf103/minutes.md Log Message: ----------- fix my name, clarify discussion and add one missing statement Commit: ccabdd2c13e5880361aa5894014eccf38c4787d6 https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/commit/ccabdd2c13e5880361aa5894014eccf38c4787d6 Author: Mark Nottingham Date: 2018-11-11 (Sun, 11 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M ietf103/minutes.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #95 from marten-seemann/patch-1 fix my name, clarify discussion and add one missing statement Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/compare/9239f1b661a9...ccabdd2c13e5 **NOTE:** This service has been marked for deprecation: https://developer.github.com/changes/2018-04-25-github-services-deprecation/ Functionality will be removed from GitHub.com on January 31st, 2019. ----==_mimepart_5be79bc5b5036_3e4d2af2b3dde57051963-- From nobody Sat Nov 10 19:51:32 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1222D128CF2 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2018 19:51:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SN0KQbTEQUwr for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2018 19:51:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 40B181200D7 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2018 19:51:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 19:51:26 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541908287; bh=0Xj7/jApZCI9pfcagLWNgUyASsF59nH62yzAKP6BbAw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=rWOrjnzrERxWqCw23S9V2I4pZ5BebC3UpevZtevV1GM9vQGirJKtjyL/2vMhUMpnY LvaHuEqEoCJK9uT24KJCczplZ037Ue5saJN1n8xkjt+WNhtceCkKJPU1hui9VaT1Ok YroW4B4LtBn1XM/CnTzR8fesw0aLKUqH9jKo8P5Q= From: Ryan Hamilton Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Rename "retransmittable" frames and packets (#1595) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be7a73ef2d64_5ed13fbf8b2d45bc1802e4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: RyanAtGoogle X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 03:51:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be7a73ef2d64_5ed13fbf8b2d45bc1802e4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 4:39 PM, Dmitri Tikhonov wrote: > Something like "wack", "tracked", "ackent" don't have obvious english > language interpretations > > I disagree. While *wack* (not an adjective!) and *tracked* (only implies > action tangentially) are indeed poor choices, *ackent* belongs to a > family of English adjectives ending with *ent* wherein *ent* implies > action related to the suffixed part of the word: > > - astringent > - indulgent > - pestilent > - propellent > - prurient > - quiescent > - somnolent > - truculent > - urgent > > *Ackent*: causing ACKs. Sounds logical and English to me. > While I appreciated that it is possible to construct a rule by which "ackent" means "causes an ACK", it's simply the case that "ackent" is not a word. When I read the word "ackent" it does not in any way trigger the meaning "causes an ACK". As such, it no different to me than any other piece of jargon. It's easy enough to memorize what a piece of jargon means, so it's no different in this way than any number of other terms. ACK-eliciting (or some such), on the other hand, is unambiguous and does not require memorization. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1595#issuecomment-437641637 ----==_mimepart_5be7a73ef2d64_5ed13fbf8b2d45bc1802e4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 4:39 PM, Dmitri Tikhonov <notifications@github= .com>
wrote:

> Something like "wack", "tracked", "ackent&q= uot; don't have obvious english
> language interpretations
>
> I disagree. While *wack* (not an adjective!) and *tracked* (only imp= lies
> action tangentially) are indeed poor choices, *ackent* belongs to a<= br> > family of English adjectives ending with *ent* wherein *ent* implies=
> action related to the suffixed part of the word:
>
> - astringent
> - indulgent
> - pestilent
> - propellent
> - prurient
> - quiescent
> - somnolent
> - truculent
> - urgent
>
> *Ackent*: causing ACKs. Sounds logical and English to me.
>
While I appreciated that it is possible to construct a rule by which
"ackent" means "causes an ACK", it's simply the c= ase that "ackent" is not a
word. When I read the word "ackent" it does not in any way trig= ger the
meaning "causes an ACK". As such, it no different to me than an= y other
piece of jargon. It's easy enough to memorize what a piece of jargon = means,
so it's no different in this way than any number of other
terms. ACK-eliciting (or some such), on the other hand, is unambiguous an= d
does not require memorization.

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= ----==_mimepart_5be7a73ef2d64_5ed13fbf8b2d45bc1802e4-- From nobody Sat Nov 10 19:59:18 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27633128CF2 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2018 19:59:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t1hTg2qWjJ2U for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2018 19:59:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6DA801200D7 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2018 19:59:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 19:59:14 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541908754; bh=5GuF+F0efKuYWGADeYwDbJlLxp4J0gbNxp10DrkPIt8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=0lcNPJ/KHkvcX6cwzTTXog+3h9YyCsByPfMA0vHqrRI9cZuVunKM3pifJBLjxTvSu 8Eho1XbzsSWVZ/g/zZqm+/rj3ggh6hRZvMkebcVVBWR3uZ5JHb2JqZN1K6bfIsXPC7 1AenfFZjgAaL1BRT0s963v0r+aZVnTg3Zjuq/Ypo= From: Ryan Hamilton Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Rename "retransmittable" frames and packets (#1595) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be7a91272174_72613fadf8cd45c0202851"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: RyanAtGoogle X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 03:59:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be7a91272174_72613fadf8cd45c0202851 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 7:51 PM, Ryan Hamilton wrote: > On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 4:39 PM, Dmitri Tikhonov > wrote: > >> Something like "wack", "tracked", "ackent" don't have obvious english >> language interpretations >> >> I disagree. While *wack* (not an adjective!) and *tracked* (only implies >> action tangentially) are indeed poor choices, *ackent* belongs to a >> family of English adjectives ending with *ent* wherein *ent* implies >> action related to the suffixed part of the word: >> >> - indulgent >> >> It's perhaps worth pointing out that an "indulgent" person is a person who indulges. Which might imply that an ackent packet is packet that ACKs... meaning a packet which contains an ACK as opposed to a packet which elicits an ACK :/ -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1595#issuecomment-437641914 ----==_mimepart_5be7a91272174_72613fadf8cd45c0202851 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 7:51 PM, Ryan Hamilton <rch@google.com> wro= te:

> On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 4:39 PM, Dmitri Tikhonov <notifications@g= ithub.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Something like "wack", "tracked", "acke= nt" don't have obvious english
>> language interpretations
>>
>> I disagree. While *wack* (not an adjective!) and *tracked* (only= implies
>> action tangentially) are indeed poor choices, *ackent* belongs t= o a
>> family of English adjectives ending with *ent* wherein *ent* imp= lies
>> action related to the suffixed part of the word:
>>
>> - indulgent
>>
>> It's perhaps worth pointing out that an "indulgent"= ; person is a person
who indulges. Which might imply that an ackent packet is packet that
ACKs... meaning a packet which contains an ACK as opposed to a packet whi= ch
elicits an ACK :/

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= ----==_mimepart_5be7a91272174_72613fadf8cd45c0202851-- From nobody Sat Nov 10 20:51:47 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 429C012D4E8 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2018 20:51:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B6YY5pIb42Xh for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2018 20:51:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 772AD12D4E6 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2018 20:51:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 20:51:42 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541911902; bh=0tM9mjipFdqF/LHcrj3g6knSAzKDlkUujtptAtHRvV0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=C+s0InwsU2ZNiL6zaVerTQRG+vdm8TpW/1eqmTt+04mjxZvcOzzEk/Diwn24ZS/Fo eItHAnYqi9+nzIqOB6KcH775rgaAnjIg7OpzuSR3X0Wdu39/guUIYnJAqu3HcYrwZQ 2pq2qLVemTg9ECPdvT4wEMtAoVsnhs3RaqEB+QCQ= From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clarify 1200 bytes Initial packet rule (#1987) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be7b55e63ac4_1b243fea404d45bc1979a6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 04:51:45 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be7b55e63ac4_1b243fea404d45bc1979a6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is needed in the following case: The server sends a ServerHello that spans two (INITIAL) packets, one of which is lost, and then starts sending the cert (in HANDSHAKE packets) until it is blocked by the 3x limit. The client will send an ACK for the one INITIAL packet that arrived. In order for the server to be unblocked from the 3x limit and to be able to retransmit the lost INITIAL packet, the packet sent by the client must be at least 1/3 of the size of lost packet. It doesn't hurt if it's larger than that, because the server can then continue sending the cert. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1987#issuecomment-437643822 ----==_mimepart_5be7b55e63ac4_1b243fea404d45bc1979a6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This is needed in the following case: The server sends a ServerHello t= hat spans two (INITIAL) packets, one of which is lost, and then starts se= nding the cert (in HANDSHAKE packets) until it is blocked by the 3x limit= . The client will send an ACK for the one INITIAL packet that arrived. In order for the server to be unblocked from the 3x limit and to be able = to retransmit the lost INITIAL packet, the packet sent by the client must= be at least 1/3 of the size of lost packet. It doesn't hurt if it's larg= er than that, because the server can then continue sending the cert.

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@marten-seemann requested changes on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  Reserved:
 
-: The sixth, seventh, and eighth bits (0x7) of byte 0 are reserved for
+: The seventh and eighth bits (0x3) of byte 0 are reserved for

I don't think we're reserving any more bits for experimentation at this point.

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it's simply the case that "ackent" is not a word.

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"Truculent," various +1, smiling emojis:

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It would be nice to state that it is a requirement for client and not server.

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The frame type field of the CONNECTION_CLOSE frame seems to provide little value, except for the FRAME_ENCODING_ERROR error code.

For example, consider the FLOW_CONTROL_ERROR. The only two values that would make sense in that field is the type of a STREAM frame or a RST_STREAM frame (no guidance is provided regarding that in the draft, as far as I can see). Debugging such an error based on the frame type alone will be hardly possible, you'll need a clear reason string for that.

For other error codes, things look even worse. What is the appropriate frame type for a TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR? Probably the type of a CRYPTO frame, since transport parameters are carried in TLS messages that are carried in CRYPTO frames. But setting this value provides no additional information to the peer. And what about VERSION_NEGOTIATION_ERROR or SERVER_BUSY?

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There recently was a Human Rights review of the QUIC protocol, which identified a potential issue with the encoding of CONNECTION_CLOSE frames: https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-martini-hrpc-quichr-00.html#internationalization.

I don't know how many people read this document, so I'm opening this issue. Not sure if we actually need to do something about it, but we should at least consider their recommendation.

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----==_mimepart_5be7d2cdaf34c_49ad3f9c1a4d45b871808b-- From nobody Sun Nov 11 00:39:01 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E05A312DDA3 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2018 00:38:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Uk9hVdBT8OV5 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2018 00:38:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49B981200D7 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2018 00:38:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 00:38:56 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1541925536; bh=pS/vD+kntRYvyOBqJKLc284xlmcP8VDUd6IuWpXTs74=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=gXv3vghep5DTztAwW3rVSrgJTHKu1eBTYrHpopcA7E9V4nWsxlzupNVDkhFi+t864 w/Yz7wYBoK7yr2CAPRMRxtNld7pGSG60zYxn0x84g1L28Dh0WXiIImaC3Ye7lgl3Um Jx/j+Z6XZ2SVbo5fxTVQv4K1JbZOvK+GCjqmiyGo= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] encoding of CONNECTION_CLOSE reason phrases (#1990) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be7eaa02cc23_1d503fadf8cd45c0682192"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 08:39:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be7eaa02cc23_1d503fadf8cd45c0682192 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think MUST UTF-8 is fine, this also solves endian issues.=0D =0D The language SHOULD br english when interoperability is required, but MAY= be any language that all endpoints are willing to accept within a closed= deployment.=0D =0D Specifying language codes isn=E2=80=99t really helpful as you can=E2=80=99= t really make use of the text if you don=E2=80=99t recognize it immediate= ly, and it just complicates matters. -- = You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1990#issuecomment-437652706= ----==_mimepart_5be7eaa02cc23_1d503fadf8cd45c0682192 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think MUST UTF-8 is fine, this also solves endian issues.

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ACK-inducing, -prompting, -triggering, -requesting

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  Reserved:
 
-: The sixth, seventh, and eighth bits (0x7) of byte 0 are reserved for
+: The seventh and eighth bits (0x3) of byte 0 are reserved for

By un-reserving them you're shorting any hope for other measurement, like loss bits. DO you decide this kind of things single-handedly ?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  Reserved:
 
-: The sixth, seventh, and eighth bits (0x7) of byte 0 are reserved for
+: The seventh and eighth bits (0x3) of byte 0 are reserved for

The current v1 proposal says to encrypt them. As such, they'll look like noise. That's as good a way as any to preserve them for future use, measurement or otherwise. I don't think added text indicating that is helpful.

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Regarding when to stop padding Initial:

Clients MUST pad UDP datagrams that contain only Initial packets to 12= 00 bytes. Once a client has received an acknowledgment for a Handshake pa= cket it MAY send smaller datagrams. Sending padded datagrams ensures that= the server is not overly constrained by the amplification restriction.

I think that client can stop padding Initial when it has CRYPTO frame = to send in Handshake packet. This is because at this time server has not= hing to send and client will retransmit Handshake packet thus no dead loc= k.

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With the fix for the Initial injection attack that we discussed in Bangkok, the client won't send any more Initial packet after transitioning to Handshake keys.

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The problem here is that tagging isn't that useful unless you also cou= ple it with negotiation. We can annotate the string with a language tag,= but that doesn't make the text more comprehensible if the chosen languag= e isn't understood. If the endpoint is able to generate translated strin= gs, then it doesn't know which one to use. It's possible that we could s= ignal the preferred language of endpoints in transport parameters, but th= at leaves clients exposing their language preferences in the clear.

Then we need to consider that the language preferences of the endpoint= might not even be relevant. This information is largely only useful dur= ing debugging, so it is the language preference of the stack developer th= at is likely to matter. That said, if the messages were passed to the st= ack developer, that is likely to represent a risk to the privacy of the e= ndpoints or those using those endpoints. And there is a risk of misinter= pretation if the language preference of the person using the endpoint dif= fers from that of the stack developer.

In other words, this isn't a trivial problem. We could just tag the m= essage and leave it to online translation tools and the like to sort thin= gs out, I guess. But @mikkelfj's conclusion is the one we took = in HTTP/2, though we chose to say nothing in that case.

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I think that we probably want to have a deeper conversation about this= draft. I look at it and ask why you need to create a bespoke protocol h= ere at all. If it is going to look like QUIC proper, why not make it be = QUIC proper?

But even assuming that you do need that, why are you concerned about m= aking this look like QUIC proper? I can't see why you would need that fo= r routing purposes, because it seems like you should be back to 5-tuples = for routing on this bit. I can't see why you would concern yourself with= ossification on a link that you presumably have considerable influence o= ver. I can see why you might want to disambiguate this connection from "= real" connections, but you could use a separate port, ALPN, or even a new= QUIC version if it came to that (though I would advise against a version= ).

On response to @marten-seemann's comment, which I agr= ee with, you might also like to consider the effect of having 5 types in = the long header and what that does for protocol ossification.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Remove the "quic " label from HKDF-Expand-Label, and add it to the leaf key derivation steps. There is also [a story with pictures explaining this change](https://gist.github.com/martinthomson/c254bbc4214e8b3d4f38372b9afce18d#file-key-schedule-md). Closes #1976, #1971. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1991 -- Commit Summary -- * Remove "quic " HKDF label * Remove example * Separate keys at the leaves -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (26) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1991.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1991.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1991 ----==_mimepart_5be91343256b4_74a73fdd5c2d45b4454795 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Remove the "quic " label from HKDF-Expand-Label, and add it to the leaf key derivation steps.

There is also a story with pictures explaining this change.

Closes #1976, #1971.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1991

Commit Summary

  • Remove "quic " HKDF label
  • Remove example
  • Separate keys at the leaves

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Mon, 12 Nov 2018 05:58:00 -0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 21:58:00 -0800 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5be91668959b2_669b2afccae5e574201d8@hookshot-fe-6e9b612.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] b15303: Don't update packet number protection keys Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be9166895545_669b2afccae5e5742004c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 05:58:04 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be9166895545_669b2afccae5e5742004c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/pne-stable Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: b15303bb812b7dffb723e124fc9dbb45acd821bd https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b15303bb812b7dffb723e124fc9dbb45acd821bd Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-12 (Mon, 12 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Don't update packet number protection keys This is in preparation for other agreed changes. **NOTE:** This service has been marked for deprecation: https://developer.github.com/changes/2018-04-25-github-services-deprecation/ Functionality will be removed from GitHub.com on January 31st, 2019. ----==_mimepart_5be9166895545_669b2afccae5e5742004c-- From nobody Sun Nov 11 21:59:09 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5337130DDB for ; 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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So this will change completely, so what the transport doc says doesn't really matter. 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So this will change completely, so what the transport doc says doesn't really matter. Merging.

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Will DTLS use the same approach; i.e. use "tls13 dtls key" and "tls13 dtls iv" for it's traffic key generation?

This might sound like an off-topic question, but I would like to confirm that we are having a consistent pattern among the flavors of TLS.

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----==_mimepart_5be91ba6a2e12_63733f7ec5cd45b46109e2-- From nobody Sun Nov 11 22:20:31 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA82E130DE0 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2018 22:20:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xq9g66RbXkHF for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2018 22:20:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 45FB7130DE6 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2018 22:20:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 22:20:23 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542003623; bh=nt655CEN4FrOx2xH1C8p8b4ZiyQVUbUYtWI1ahB0Y+c=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=UkPK0Br/SZihOFo46trJYfvMjsGgktmTLkUw5KL2s8YKB3jKLy49s/dS/mwY1gwHT peczciXPOpPdq9v6+qYyxfn1EkA/4y6/RICUElg0X/McqmMyxwACq5Ai5Hg9x8wm9P 4P8TUrup48++I4+5nv32ny+MhB+pWhlSoVHbSPbU= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clarify 1200 bytes Initial packet rule (#1987) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be91ba765f99_269f3f87086d45c4274493"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 06:20:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be91ba765f99_269f3f87086d45c4274493 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Let's roll this up into the changes for dropping Initial keys early. @marten-seemann, I don't see your slides in the quicwg/wg-materials repo, can you create a PR for that? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1987#issuecomment-437769432 ----==_mimepart_5be91ba765f99_269f3f87086d45c4274493 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Let's roll this up into the changes for dropping Initial keys early. @marten-seemann, I don't see your slides in the quicwg/wg-materials repo, can you create a PR for that?

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----==_mimepart_5be91ba765f99_269f3f87086d45c4274493-- From nobody Sun Nov 11 22:24:31 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 021D4130DE3 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2018 22:24:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vl4pYYXS3plp for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2018 22:24:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BEB8712D4EB for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2018 22:24:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 22:24:26 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542003866; bh=nP3Dv/5kxfzq21T+FCVY1Ums0UZRYa+ZNl7UQtweVgE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=XO4UJlI78a0P9J0c+a3nmQo24ywKu0bDh0QI5KBmRYThZwBV6C/o9lodZuUnTNUkQ hhGEfuRZC//0YdtxMyV3BLnlj8ZmipChxyQnaOhzI+iHuP7wIZI3IZlt6RScQosbz8 Mfx4HZrQLLCruNlE9ZQlT/6qRRFat9MhHTzk3Yko= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Separation for leaf keys only (#1991) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be91c9ac4e38_63223f93e7ad45c01533614"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 06:24:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be91c9ac4e38_63223f93e7ad45c01533614 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good question. I hadn't considered the possibility of providing better separation between TLS and DTLS. In that case, it might be more reasonable to use a different base label (i.e., something like "dtls13 key" or "dtls13 iv"). @ekr, WDYT? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1991#issuecomment-437770145 ----==_mimepart_5be91c9ac4e38_63223f93e7ad45c01533614 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Good question. I hadn't considered the possibility of providing better separation between TLS and DTLS. In that case, it might be more reasonable to use a different base label (i.e., something like "dtls13 key" or "dtls13 iv"). @ekr, WDYT?

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----==_mimepart_5be91c9ac4e38_63223f93e7ad45c01533614-- From nobody Sun Nov 11 22:26:29 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9801B1286E7 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2018 22:26:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9CawUhydCgi4 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2018 22:26:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 022D6124BAA for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2018 22:26:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 22:26:25 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542003985; bh=JXUd7t8OVgZy6sGmOXcMeOUjaPje1A++O81h1LDR4sk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=UziXiO2Eo75e0RYZQfPwYyLgcM67oxf8IVbUb1pGZy8nr2BTwNRtLYJdzkYtxjb4Q rt2R8RnHWzGhK72dGmfa9PCAw1xbvNiuZSSclpn1aOmKPGYTgW2Q6e9PmhDHYLkMZ1 Hie5e0IknkN1i6/6Ve0TAXU28KMH5Ir+ccqoYb+E= From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] frame type field of CONNECTION_CLOSE provides little value (#1989) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be91d113311c_25b43fb9952d45b83668ae"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 06:26:27 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be91d113311c_25b43fb9952d45b83668ae Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't remember any discussion about error codes in Melbourne and Kista (and I can't find any in the minutes from there). If I remember correctly, the last we discussed error codes was in Paris, and it was a lengthy and rather unpleasant discussion. But it was long before we defined this strange frame format for the CONNECTION_CLOSE containing the frame type field. I don't have a strong opinion if we need one generic parsing error code, or an error code for every single frame type, but I feel that with the current solution we ended up with the worst of both worlds. I'm sorry, but I have no idea what I'm supposed to see from the code snippet you posted. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1989#issuecomment-437770490 ----==_mimepart_5be91d113311c_25b43fb9952d45b83668ae Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I don't remember any discussion about error codes in Melbourne and Kis= ta (and I can't find any in the minutes from there). If I remember correc= tly, the last we discussed error codes was in Paris, and it was a lengthy= and rather unpleasant discussion.
But it was long before we defined this strange frame format for the CONNE= CTION_CLOSE containing the frame type field. I don't have a strong opinio= n if we need one generic parsing error code, or an error code for every s= ingle frame type, but I feel that with the current solution we ended up w= ith the worst of both worlds.

I'm sorry, but I have no idea what I'm supposed to see from the code s= nippet you posted.

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FWIW, I think using the same prefix (i.e. tls13 ) throughout makes sense. What we need is a separation at traffic key level, and for that purpose using the proposed "handshake-protocol traffic-type (key|iv|pn)" format seems logical to me.

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----==_mimepart_5be920ab5c679_66c83f93462d45c452882-- From nobody Sun Nov 11 22:42:20 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A0B1130DDB for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2018 22:42:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6L9BB45Y-3PG for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2018 22:42:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E58912D4EB for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2018 22:42:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 22:42:17 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542004937; bh=G0cdWEyvSlS9S4bkS2sG7jpNJuvn+0OQ8x2wdZVbbiw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=p59E+515mVVOb5fI4mGzJ3eXd0RGjYi6/JbzGE0JZOO+8HIDlddjJQGobbjhYlxPD Mr3xZKZpDh7mfIYjj5ZRyAvxnRZm3BUzWmpfcUoouBV7GyIEDxHG6/CUd+Xvt0YVV5 KOOoCZMrCWmDwAPmrZ2YRVX4N0BO0Lo1PRe66AE4= From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clarify 1200 bytes Initial packet rule (#1987) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be920c931f03_38a73fb9952d45b8829425"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 06:42:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be920c931f03_38a73fb9952d45b8829425 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Done: https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/pull/96 -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1987#issuecomment-437773345 ----==_mimepart_5be920c931f03_38a73fb9952d45b8829425 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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----==_mimepart_5be920c931f03_38a73fb9952d45b8829425-- From nobody Sun Nov 11 22:42:38 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF6E112D4EB for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2018 22:42:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bczN3cNj4qvT for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2018 22:42:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4ECFB12D4F0 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2018 22:42:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 22:42:34 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542004954; bh=tWjoplydM7bUS+v8ZOSiMjcRNiIOYSKi0OotgPOZ450=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ULaQHwCcduM+hl8jEuERQKhbM7YCnB01cCTLQJ6heb2uVD5c/wvVSZOWV3BJpMWut KF24czsz5UJwoHQSQqoOyLm7idh+oDikPP12actt/YY5VKMF3zEJM/4+ifnWoFJjQ8 vMn6gCeegRv5OTowzBkVFkiGrJEKrNDtTr5WVa+o= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] encoding of CONNECTION_CLOSE reason phrases (#1990) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be920da7e6d9_4ac93f960ecd45b837742a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 06:42:37 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be920da7e6d9_4ac93f960ecd45b837742a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What @martinthomson says. The field is purely for debugging, and we do not need to internationalize it. I am fine with changing the definition from "human-readable explanation that SHOULD be UTF-8" to "a series of octets that can be anything" if doing so removes the misconception that the information contained here requires I18N. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1990#issuecomment-437773390 ----==_mimepart_5be920da7e6d9_4ac93f960ecd45b837742a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

What @martinthomson says.

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I agree that this is purely for debugging, and should probably never b= e displayed to the user, so I18n shouldn't be an issue.

Is there any reason not to require this to be UTF-8 though? I think it= would help debugging interoperability testing (and error logging) if you= can rely on the charset.

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= ----==_mimepart_5be92246379b_15f23fab0c2d45b4427736-- From nobody Sun Nov 11 23:11:11 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 200EC12007C for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2018 23:11:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s7HcWPfcE428 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2018 23:11:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 561BA127598 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2018 23:11:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 23:11:06 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542006666; bh=8rOgGZRgB0TU8osV4aT7rLamqKe0Nf8ieaQLTWxfs+M=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=jdWvEA+MWrdrpMqYvhxdLfnz8HiWoIA74rnmMjNdOIER2vqyI8jdd/l48TxXVtlxI MV2hUkpOwZyISLX/SjaKblfAcFOSDG1BNNcmdDkQ3WTnRpGW1CkkmdawOZ+5hlZ252 kMQNxJBkzAP1qvzZz1sAyXcL4A9nfPvJKWVH4asc= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] encoding of CONNECTION_CLOSE reason phrases (#1990) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be9278adf2a_64423fea404d45bc23305f6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 07:11:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be9278adf2a_64423fea404d45bc23305f6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Is there any reason not to require this to be UTF-8 though? I think it would help debugging interoperability testing (and error logging) if you can rely on the charset. If we say "MUST be UTF-8", then the natural outcome would be that people would expect QUIC stacks to validate if the reason phase contains a valid UTF-8 string. I do not think we should have such a requirement. Current text saying "SHOULD be UTF-8" is fine in this respect because QUIC stacks can simply emit the binary octets that it has received to the application. Note that most (if not all) of HTTP logging does not deal with charsets; for example a URL can contain any charset, and they are logged as bytes. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1990#issuecomment-437779182 ----==_mimepart_5be9278adf2a_64423fea404d45bc23305f6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Is there any reason not to require this to be UTF-8 though? I think it= would help debugging interoperability testing (and error logging) if you= can rely on the charset.

If we say "MUST be UTF-8", then the natural outcome would be that peop= le would expect QUIC stacks to validate if the reason phase contains a va= lid UTF-8 string. I do not think we should have such a requirement.

Current text saying "SHOULD be UTF-8" is fine in this respect because = QUIC stacks can simply emit the binary octets that it has received to the= application.

Note that most (if not all) of HTTP logging does not deal with charset= s; for example a URL can contain any charset, and they are logged as byte= s.

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The TLS spec notes that

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Should that be a design criterion for us as well?

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You can't realistically generate an error if CONNECTION_CLOSE is bad, so I don't have a problem saying that it contains a UTF-8 string.

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Yes, I consider that. "quic key" is short enough.

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If it's UTF-8 it is much simpler to dump in error logs, even if you don't bother validate it. Some logs tend to use JSON which is practically always UTF-8. If you need binary, just base64 encode it.

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A binary format is a buffer overrun attack waiting to happen.

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Maybe I'm not understanding the key derivation correctly, but isn't the label prepended with "tls13 "? This would add another 6 characters, so "tls13 quic key" would be 14 characters in total.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An endpoint should not assume that its peer will not drop any received CIDs. 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An endpoint should not assume that its peer will not drop any received CIDs.

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  • endpoint MAY discard CIDs

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----==_mimepart_5be94d7b23849_67373fd5398d45c02051f8-- From nobody Mon Nov 12 01:53:42 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9B37130E0C for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 01:53:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.469 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.469 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FxVmrjYSj8AV for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 01:53:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BB7C6130E30 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 01:53:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 01:53:29 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542016410; bh=dYP8NsO/Mdi2O1Y53FQOgYW1GxVDw8A896NJqO8gbSA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=GiXV10DAL3id2Dbx6K9+HthhxVt90xJhQKhPlqEW/zmNjEnpLJv8WsNjOUeBc1GC/ ztyxe1yKkABZFOPWo7NlJWZXljdHPQVuyXnfItCcWwroiRghkoIaxhaQ/j9gjyV6US 0+xbllQ/NjueJfd1zO73NI7JPmZ0384y04qEVRss= From: Anne van Kesteren Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Introduce a bit to indicate the server doesn't do IP-based authentication (#1993) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be94d99ede7a_2e3b3fed214d45c42322d9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: annevk X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 09:53:40 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be94d99ede7a_2e3b3fed214d45c42322d9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Web browsers have needed to invent a variety of schemes to talk to servers, such as the [CORS protocol](https://fetch.spec.whatwg.org/#http-cors-protocol) for HTTP and WebSocket as some kind of TCP, to avoid allowing `attacker.example` access to IP-authenticated data (e.g., intranets without the best security setup). It'd be nice if this kind of thing could be done at the base protocol level. This would also allow browsers to expose a QUIC^W??? API to communicate with arbitrary servers that have the relevant bit set. (If such an API saw adoption that might also be a further incentive for middleware to get their act together.) This would not obviate the need for something like CORS entirely, as requests containing cookies or HTTP authentication data would still require explicit consent, but it would allow browser-based applications to more usefully take part in the ecosystem. cc @jakearchibald -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1993 ----==_mimepart_5be94d99ede7a_2e3b3fed214d45c42322d9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Web browsers have needed to invent a variety of schemes to talk to servers, such as the CORS protocol for HTTP and WebSocket as some kind of TCP, to avoid allowing attacker.example access to IP-authenticated data (e.g., intranets without the best security setup).

It'd be nice if this kind of thing could be done at the base protocol level. This would also allow browsers to expose a QUIC^W??? API to communicate with arbitrary servers that have the relevant bit set. (If such an API saw adoption that might also be a further incentive for middleware to get their act together.)

This would not obviate the need for something like CORS entirely, as requests containing cookies or HTTP authentication data would still require explicit consent, but it would allow browser-based applications to more usefully take part in the ecosystem.

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----==_mimepart_5be94d99ede7a_2e3b3fed214d45c42322d9-- From nobody Mon Nov 12 01:59:42 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAF2F12D4EE for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 01:59:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2OBZCd1Qsb_o for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 01:59:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 136001292F1 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 01:59:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 01:59:37 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542016777; bh=cT8CFLnftYkaLfKQB6xnbBtsue87lHV7FMOGCEHbH/U=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=dbaDvHP4kzhBEBua7ZbDcj++2FGt/CTSnU1wx2rOPLAt1NSICqh1hJ+J/R7lltT97 7LgXAQqp4utYFFvs0J18pnU1M+1TihL705lHyoffKsC1MOzdjPl7nKkwqDsTmA0aez 0dwwlnMGP4lcpew2/TsvGCShh2/Es4tF1xZ6PANc= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Separation for leaf keys only (#1991) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be94f0935d2a_58193fe6160d45bc375ca"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 09:59:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be94f0935d2a_58193fe6160d45bc375ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I seem to remember that the calculation allows for the 'tls13 ' prefix. The real constraint is on the total length of the input to HKDF, which needs to be less than 32. ``` struct { uint16 length = Length; // 2 opaque label<7..255> = "tls13 " + Label; // 7 + len(Label) opaque context<0..255> = Context; // 1 + len(Context) } HkdfLabel; ``` Given that HKDF adds 1 more to this, that means there are 11 octets taken with overheads. Context is either 0 length or a full hash width, so that doesn't factor in. I don't know how this translates to 12 remaining (for a total of 23), I would have thought that the limit was 21. Maybe there was some transposition of characters involved. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1991#issuecomment-437821912 ----==_mimepart_5be94f0935d2a_58193fe6160d45bc375ca Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I seem to remember that the calculation allows for the 'tls13 ' prefix= . The real constraint is on the total length of the input to HKDF, which= needs to be less than 32.

       struct {
           uint16 length =3D Length;  // 2
           opaque label<7..255> =3D "tls13 " + Label; // 7 + len(La=
bel)
           opaque context<0..255> =3D Context; // 1 + len(Context)
       } HkdfLabel;

Given that HKDF adds 1 more to this, that means there are 11 octets ta= ken with overheads. Context is either 0 length or a full hash width, so = that doesn't factor in. I don't know how this translates to 12 remaining= (for a total of 23), I would have thought that the limit was 21. Maybe = there was some transposition of characters involved.

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Fair enough. I chatted with @martinduke and thought it was a fine proposal (I think it still is). But I agree with @marten-seemann that it leaves large ACKs out, which is unfortunate.

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@martinthomson approved this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

 When an endpoint issues a connection ID, it MUST accept packets that car=
ry this
 connection ID for the duration of the connection or until its peer inval=
idates
 the connection ID via a RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frame
 ({{frame-retire-connection-id}}).
 =

+Endpoints store received connection IDs for future use.  An endpoint tha=
t
+receives excessive connection IDs MAY discard those it cannot store.  An=

+endpoint that issues connection IDs should expect that its peer might no=
t store
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-endpoint that issues connection IDs should ex=
pect that its peer might not store
+endpoint that issues connection IDs cannot expect its peer to store

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Since this idea probably traces back to me, I can't really say this is= bad. But I think that we can probably do something in an extension. Th= is is a somewhat specialized use case. Happy to work with you, @annev= k or @jakearchibald, to make that happen.

A generic TLS extension might be better here. QUIC could pick that up= , but it might also be nice to have that signal in other contexts than ju= st QUIC.

I have significant reservations about how this sort of extension might= be deployed safely. We'll have to be very careful to explain the risks = of a mistake. Turning on a server-level config like this requires confid= ence that there are no resources on that server that are restricted. Wor= se, if servers can be used for connection coalescing (in HTTP/2 or QUIC),= then that risk extends to all resources across all origins that might be= coalesced onto the same connection.

I suspect that server-level CORS is a common-enough implementation tec= hnique. So we likely already have servers taking that risk. So on balan= ce this is probably worth doing.

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= ----==_mimepart_5be950bb55564_2a093fb3334d45c42942ab-- From nobody Mon Nov 12 02:11:33 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A17F612DDA3 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 02:11:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NLN2tJMadrTJ for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 02:11:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4750E1292F1 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 02:11:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 02:11:30 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542017490; bh=h4sxVOEJLoUSw38TfVTHRlsEILiMkZiZZARjDUxVmF4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=dG0jrXesKDmqbbLjVSBnZVykt2BMEdHUOFiXnRT++70YHs6S1P7i2kPTpvjE4Rhud ny2DJg1vRwUPEq4LflSKfm3WeUH0796tQmbsUD1N2/dwG5yq4qbuoT0LgRyKVFgRco YC1VVhESHnVsPCi0a+HeeoOZlH/4DgGs7cE64RGo= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Endpoint MAY discard CIDs (#1992) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be951d292fca_7cc63ffaaaad45b41183b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 10:11:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be951d292fca_7cc63ffaaaad45b41183b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think this is messy - I know there have been lengthy discussions. But sender also may have to track state. It would be better to have a fixed TP length of say, 5 CID's and only replenish when one is retired. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1992#issuecomment-437825414 ----==_mimepart_5be951d292fca_7cc63ffaaaad45b41183b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think this is messy - I know there have been lengthy discussions. But sender also may have to track state. It would be better to have a fixed TP length of say, 5 CID's and only replenish when one is retired.

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@marten-seemann requested changes on this pull request.

Issuing too many connection IDs doesn't hurt in the case where the server uses a deterministic routing scheme to associate connection IDs to connections (except for the obviously wasted bandwidth). However, there's a different approach (which I chose in my implementation). I'm keeping a mapping connection ID => connection around for every single connection ID I issue. This allows me to use very short (4 bytes) connection IDs. If an implementation like this issues too many connection IDs, and the peer starts dropping them, it will have to keep state for every dropped connection ID until the end of the connection.

This is trivially solved if each peer declares the number of connection IDs it is willing to store in a transport parameter. Based on @dtikhonov's thread on the mailing list, I was planning to contribute a PR for this.

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If I understand @marten-seemann correctly, this is in line with what I propose, and which others have proposed earlier.

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I think this is basically good and doable. I agree with @siyeng= ar that it should be a SHOULD; there is no reason to require that a p= eer ack every K packets, especially since it's foolish to do so if the pe= er receives more than K packets in one receive event.

On mechanism: if there is enough argument for doing an UPDATE_TP, that= might be a way, but that's too heavy-weight for just this parameter and = I don't think this parameter is compelling enough for it. OTOH, we have o= nly two bits left (https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/blob/m= aster/ietf103/octet0.pdf), which is not enough I think even for Inter= net environments.

How about we do a TP and then follow it up with an UPDATE_ACK_RATIO fr= ame? This can be as small as 2 bytes in all imaginable cases, making the = encoding really low-overhead.

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@marten-seemann @mikkelfj : Like I said on list, I think it's fine to drive that issue (please do file an issue first), and send a PR along (ASAP). I'm merely clarifying existing text.

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----==_mimepart_5be9578dea0c6_43e83f9cd2ed45b44995de-- From nobody Mon Nov 12 02:46:14 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECD1D129619 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 02:46:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vnbvypqyIab9 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 02:46:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-11.smtp.github.com (out-11.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9549F1292F1 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 02:46:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 02:46:09 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542019569; bh=0naSvtt9zZURacqo65+NYTrh41SJitlPS7CRk9kwff8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=meZG2Y0eEtFMuwymMDG5J8AXHc79NIonBEKGqklin3goXCAcXHNizyNJoCf1Sa+Yb Rjup3R03yYlQFZzClte4yFnqzvm4WeOzJDKkUfFsVVQEYy+I4yJBuS/XtzKd23WgAa efvPV4XAJUOxEYJWOB1uXpW56haKYA38QOvsltmU= From: Brian Trammell Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Spin bit should be applied per each 5-tuple rather than per connection (#1828) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be959f1325f7_c6b3f90920d45b4316813"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: britram X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 10:46:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be959f1325f7_c6b3f90920d45b4316813 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable @erickinnear I spent a little time thinking about how an observer generat= ing RTT samples from a per-CID spin would work, and while it=E2=80=99s sl= ightly messier than using 5-tuples as a flow key, it=E2=80=99s not at all= hard. So I don=E2=80=99t think there are any concerns about signal quali= ty.=0D =0D I=E2=80=99ll put together a PR for language about this in the management = draft when I get a moment. -- = You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1828#issuecomment-437835278= ----==_mimepart_5be959f1325f7_c6b3f90920d45b4316813 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@erickinnear I spent a little time thinking about how a= n observer generating RTT samples from a per-CID spin would work, and whi= le it=E2=80=99s slightly messier than using 5-tuples as a flow key, it=E2= =80=99s not at all hard. So I don=E2=80=99t think there are any concerns = about signal quality.

I=E2=80=99ll put together a PR for language about this in the manageme= nt draft when I get a moment.

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= ----==_mimepart_5be959f1325f7_c6b3f90920d45b4316813-- From nobody Mon Nov 12 02:46:24 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA8D0129619 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 02:46:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jIF6gRNl4quL for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 02:46:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DD3A91292F1 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 02:46:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 02:46:20 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542019580; bh=Ex4wFeCH6KUGOnxBcO4gyUVVXOTv1EcgKcBLj/WRI14=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=bWq47d4S2Z4/RxeVdBqsxXj1/9UH06Rc/GOHMSu7bgafotdvgmN+f+1Dgijd1uZj+ VlDTba/czR/PK3Hq2EC8WPO+a7o7HV1XZssToCFe2mkeMENhN3/6sWUIBaK4nTz9QG UVftbHGuUJ/2hkS9WK329uLCbLuERo0tngY60V44= From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] endpoints don't know how many connection IDs the peer is willing to store (#1994) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be959fc1fe2d_38493f92760d45c429514"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 10:46:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be959fc1fe2d_38493f92760d45c429514 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As discussed on the list and in #1992, the fact that endpoints don't know how many connection IDs the peer is willing to store, leads to some undesirable consequences, which I described in https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1992#pullrequestreview-173829561: Issuing too many connection IDs doesn't hurt in the case where the server uses a deterministic routing scheme to associate connection IDs to connections (except for the obviously wasted bandwidth). However, there's a different approach (which I chose in my implementation). I'm keeping a mapping connection ID => connection around for every single connection ID I issue. This allows me to use very short (4 bytes) connection IDs. If an implementation like this issues too many connection IDs, and the peer starts dropping them, it will have to keep state for every dropped connection ID until the end of the connection. I'm preparing a PR to introduce a transport parameter, which will allow an endpoint to declare how many connection IDs it is willing to receive. It's late in Thailand already, so please give me until tomorrow this time to finalize the text for that. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1994 ----==_mimepart_5be959fc1fe2d_38493f92760d45c429514 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

As discussed on the list and in #1992, the fact that end= points don't know how many connection IDs the peer is willing to store, l= eads to some undesirable consequences, which I described in #1992 (review):

Issuing too many connection IDs doesn't hurt in the case where the ser= ver uses a deterministic routing scheme to associate connection IDs to co= nnections (except for the obviously wasted bandwidth). However, there's a= different approach (which I chose in my implementation). I'm keeping a m= apping connection ID =3D> connection around for every single connectio= n ID I issue. This allows me to use very short (4 bytes) connection IDs. = If an implementation like this issues too many connection IDs, and the pe= er starts dropping them, it will have to keep state for every dropped con= nection ID until the end of the connection.

I'm preparing a PR to introduce a transport parameter, which will allo= w an endpoint to declare how many connection IDs it is willing to receive= . It's late in Thailand already, so please give me until tomorrow this ti= me to finalize the text for that.

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= ----==_mimepart_5be959fc1fe2d_38493f92760d45c429514-- From nobody Mon Nov 12 02:58:06 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A3C0130E2E for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 02:57:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J3ZCvi27_-I3 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 02:57:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B324130E14 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 02:57:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 02:57:55 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542020275; bh=dCr6mz2l874R6xbsWE6Aj86rwS9961BE1K51sEIRCcM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=16GcMj2AeUjoIT2mqzgyO+3CaRCSTR5G5sidCcNkqMW3xK2zwM78o1kbquZCNxksu CC1Cx7gfBuRFpQ59w+2TxHTDaUw/wNDMNF5MDsdi6A9BssRL1l07DIVBllZdNMraEr 2bd+VIoH2j/sYCQCTOnZDMT0rw5E/l8c0Zg2ABeQ= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] encoding of CONNECTION_CLOSE reason phrases (#1990) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be95cb373f75_37513f90920d45b44427c3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 10:58:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be95cb373f75_37513f90920d45b44427c3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am inclined to leave the text as it is. The primary motivation for i18n= is for user-visible text, and this text is not really it. For devs, I can= 't imagine that language tags will help when the entire protocol is in English. I'm fine with a SHOULD for UTF-8, and leave the implications of non-UTF-8 encodings to implementations. On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 4:39 PM MikkelFJ wrote= : > A binary format is a buffer overrun attack waiting to happen. > > =E2=80=94 > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > , > or mute the thread > > . > -- = You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1990#issuecomment-437838686= ----==_mimepart_5be95cb373f75_37513f90920d45b44427c3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am inclined to leave the text as it is. The primary motivation for i18n=
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Greetings,

RFC7540 Section 3.5 states that a client is to send a preface prior sending its SETTINGS frames.

QUIC HTTP draft states : "After the QUIC connection is
established, a SETTINGS frame (Section 4.2.5) MUST be sent by each
endpoint as the initial frame of their respective HTTP control stream
(see Section 3.2.1)."

So should a preface be sent when doing HTTP2 over QUIC.

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----==_mimepart_5be960901340b_3c203fcda60d45b8533025-- From nobody Mon Nov 12 03:18:38 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D78C6130DE6 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 03:18:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ogwGe38azdZk for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 03:18:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F997130DD7 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 03:18:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 03:18:34 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542021514; bh=vtMs9IFavEvzeLhj8ZVq/ea1HC/6GMNDBFwlnbpqWzQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=VT5+F0D68OJiwnTA5MwGDKvQALrvNIK2owvPA/s+waqJaHLlrKXtVOpT+ZUkpcyEI DyxG+jgJypbmYedGIRS8TMU+ZQBR9LYP1hdsvswJGeDOJ61xzL3ZG1wjMXehX9XuW2 yP+xBIWkl0ur30bSTrukk0og98GDs9QP1f77nSic= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] frame type field of CONNECTION_CLOSE provides little value (#1989) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be9618ab3a30_4f7e3fde8fcd45bc3730fa"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 11:18:37 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be9618ab3a30_4f7e3fde8fcd45bc3730fa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I remember the discussion in Paris being quite pleasant and nice. What are you talking about, @marten-seemann? The code above shows exactly how to populate the frame type field -- if known, populate with frame type, else use 0 (FramePadding). The interpretation of 0 here is _special_ ... it implies that there's no frame type associated with this error. I don't think this is terrible really. If you have a frame to associate with the error, use it, else use 0. It's unambiguous, even if not pretty. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1989#issuecomment-437844155 ----==_mimepart_5be9618ab3a30_4f7e3fde8fcd45bc3730fa Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I remember the discussion in Paris being quite pleasant and nice. What= are you talking about, @marten-seemann?

The code above shows exactly how to populate the frame type field -- i= f known, populate with frame type, else use 0 (FramePadding). The interp= retation of 0 here is special ... it implies that there's no fra= me type associated with this error.

I don't think this is terrible really. If you have a frame to associat= e with the error, use it, else use 0. It's unambiguous, even if not prett= y.

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Closed #1995.

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The preface is unnecessary. HTTP/QUIC != HTTP/2.

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first get the QUIC-LB draft to a point where it is a wg activity, then discuss the designs in there, and agree on a need for a packet-type in th= e
wg. I don't think it makes sense to reserve a codepoint before we'= ;ve agreed
on the mechanisms in the draft first.

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wrote:

> I think that we probably want to have a deeper conversation about th= is
> draft. I look at it and ask why you need to create a bespoke protoco= l here
> at all. If it is going to look like QUIC proper, why not make it be = QUIC
> proper?
>
> But even assuming that you do need that, why are you concerned about=
> making this look like QUIC proper? I can't see why you would nee= d that for
> routing purposes, because it seems like you should be back to 5-tupl= es for
> routing on this bit. I can't see why you would concern yourself = with
> ossification on a link that you presumably have considerable influen= ce
> over. I can see why you might want to disambiguate this connection f= rom
> "real" connections, but you could use a separate port, ALP= N, or even a new
> QUIC version if it came to that (though I would advise against a ver= sion).
>
> On response to @marten-seemann <https://github.com/marten-seemann= >'s
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Receipt of -the acknowledgement indicates that a later packet was received, while the -reordering threshold provides some tolerance for reordering of packets in the -network. +or a threshold amount of time (kTimeReorderingFraction) after the how 'bout just kPacketThreshold and kTimeThreshold? The context makes clear what it's used for and exactly what the units are. > @@ -274,34 +274,14 @@ TCP-NCR {{?RFC4653}}, to improve QUIC's reordering resilience. Time threshold loss detection uses a time threshold to determine how much reordering to tolerate. In this document, the threshold is expressed as a fraction of an RTT, but implemenantations MAY experiment with absolute -thresholds. This may be used either as a replacement for a packet reordering -threshold or in addition to it. - -When a larger packet is acknowledged, if it was sent more than the threshold -after any in flight packets, those packets are immediately declared lost. -Otherwise, a timer is set for the the reordering threshold minus the time -difference between the earliest in flight packet and the largest newly -acknowledged packet. Note that in some cases the timer could become longer when -packets are acknowleged out of order. The RECOMMENDED time threshold, expressed +thresholds. It is recommended this is is used in conjunction with packet +threshold fast retransmit. The RECOMMENDED time threshold, expressed This sentence is mostly unclear ("in conjunction with packet threshold fast retransmit") and not really useful. I would drop it entirely. > -Unacknowledged packets close to the tail may have fewer than -kReorderingThreshold retransmittable packets sent after them. Loss of such -packets cannot be detected via Packet Threshold Fast Retransmit. To enable -ack-based loss detection of such packets, receipt of an acknowledgment for -the last outstanding retransmittable packet triggers the Early Retransmit -process, as follows. - -If there are unacknowledged in-flight packets still pending, they should -be marked as lost. To compensate for the reduced reordering resilience, the -sender SHOULD set a timer for a small period of time. If the unacknowledged -in-flight packets are not acknowledged during this time, then these -packets MUST be marked as lost. - -An endpoint SHOULD set the timer such that a packet is marked as lost no earlier -than 1.125 * max(SRTT, latest_RTT) since when it was sent. +An endpoint SHOULD declare packets lost no earlier than I don't think the early retransmit section should be removed. This is a separate mechanism, and it is the only thing that uses the time threshold. I think a different structure might be useful... I'd actually argue for removing the time threshold section and leaving ER as is, since the time threshold section doesn't add much. > @@ -312,16 +292,10 @@ Using max(SRTT, latest_RTT) protects from the two following cases: * the latest RTT sample is higher than the SRTT, perhaps due to a sustained increase in the actual RTT, but the smoothed SRTT has not yet caught up. -The 1.125 multiplier increases reordering resilience. Implementers MAY -experiment with using other multipliers, bearing in mind that a lower multiplier -reduces reordering resilience and increases spurious retransmissions, and a -higher multiplier increases loss recovery delay. - -This mechanism is based on Early Retransmit for TCP {{?RFC5827}}. However, This is still true. I would leave this in. > @@ -841,7 +807,7 @@ Pseudocode for SetLossDetectionTimer follows: time_of_last_sent_crypto_packet + timeout) return if (loss_time != 0): - // Early retransmit timer or time loss detection. + // Time threshold loss detection. ```suggestion // Early retransmit timer. ``` > @@ -875,7 +841,7 @@ Pseudocode for OnLossDetectionTimeout follows: RetransmitUnackedCryptoData() crypto_count++ else if (loss_time != 0): - // Early retransmit or Time Loss Detection + // Time threshold loss Detection ```suggestion // Early retransmit ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1974#pullrequestreview-173860472 ----==_mimepart_5be968f553c79_50003fe4c54d45c4844755 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  =

 ### Fast Retransmit
 =

 An unacknowledged packet is marked as lost when an acknowledgment is rec=
eived
 for a packet that was sent a threshold number of packets (kReorderingThr=
eshold)
-and/or a threshold amount of time after the unacknowledged packet. Recei=
pt of
-the acknowledgement indicates that a later packet was received, while th=
e
-reordering threshold provides some tolerance for reordering of packets i=
n the
-network.
+or a threshold amount of time (kTimeReorderingFraction) after the

how 'bout just kPacketThreshold and kTimeThreshold? The context makes = clear what it's used for and exactly what the units are.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -274,34 +274,14 @@ TCP-NCR {{?RFC4653}}=
, to improve QUIC's reordering resilience.
 Time threshold loss detection uses a time threshold to determine how muc=
h
 reordering to tolerate.  In this document, the threshold is expressed as=
 a
 fraction of an RTT, but implemenantations MAY experiment with absolute
-thresholds.  This may be used either as a replacement for a packet reord=
ering
-threshold or in addition to it.
-
-When a larger packet is acknowledged, if it was sent more than the thres=
hold
-after any in flight packets, those packets are immediately declared lost=
.
-Otherwise, a timer is set for the the reordering threshold minus the tim=
e
-difference between the earliest in flight packet and the largest newly
-acknowledged packet.  Note that in some cases the timer could become lon=
ger when
-packets are acknowleged out of order. The RECOMMENDED time threshold, ex=
pressed
+thresholds.  It is recommended this is is used in conjunction with packe=
t
+threshold fast retransmit. The RECOMMENDED time threshold, expressed

This sentence is mostly unclear ("in conjunction with packet threshold= fast retransmit") and not really useful. I would drop it entirely.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -Unacknowledged packets close to the tail =
may have fewer than
-kReorderingThreshold retransmittable packets sent after them.  Loss of s=
uch
-packets cannot be detected via Packet Threshold Fast Retransmit. To enab=
le
-ack-based loss detection of such packets, receipt of an acknowledgment f=
or
-the last outstanding retransmittable packet triggers the Early Retransmi=
t
-process, as follows.
-
-If there are unacknowledged in-flight packets still pending, they should=

-be marked as lost. To compensate for the reduced reordering resilience, =
the
-sender SHOULD set a timer for a small period of time. If the unacknowled=
ged
-in-flight packets are not acknowledged during this time, then these
-packets MUST be marked as lost.
-
-An endpoint SHOULD set the timer such that a packet is marked as lost no=
 earlier
-than 1.125 * max(SRTT, latest_RTT) since when it was sent.
+An endpoint SHOULD declare packets lost no earlier than

I don't think the early retransmit section should be removed. This is = a separate mechanism, and it is the only thing that uses the time thresho= ld. I think a different structure might be useful... I'd actually argue f= or removing the time threshold section and leaving ER as is, since the ti= me threshold section doesn't add much.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -312,16 +292,10 @@ Using max(SRTT, late=
st_RTT) protects from the two following cases:
 * the latest RTT sample is higher than the SRTT, perhaps due to a sustai=
ned
   increase in the actual RTT, but the smoothed SRTT has not yet caught u=
p.
 =

-The 1.125 multiplier increases reordering resilience. Implementers MAY
-experiment with using other multipliers, bearing in mind that a lower mu=
ltiplier
-reduces reordering resilience and increases spurious retransmissions, an=
d a
-higher multiplier increases loss recovery delay.
-
-This mechanism is based on Early Retransmit for TCP {{?RFC5827}}. Howeve=
r,

This is still true. I would leave this in.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -841,7 +807,7 @@ Pseudocode for SetLoss=
DetectionTimer follows:
         time_of_last_sent_crypto_packet + timeout)
       return
     if (loss_time !=3D 0):
-      // Early retransmit timer or time loss detection.
+      // Time threshold loss detection.
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-      // Time threshold loss detection.
+      // Early retransmit timer.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -875,7 +841,7 @@ Pseudocode for OnLossD=
etectionTimeout follows:
        RetransmitUnackedCryptoData()
        crypto_count++
      else if (loss_time !=3D 0):
-       // Early retransmit or Time Loss Detection
+       // Time threshold loss Detection
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-       // Time threshold loss Detection
+       // Early retransmit

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@ianswett : I'd argue against removing ER, though I'm in favor of = removing time-based-loss-detection since that's basically a separable boole= an in the code that can be added once someone has more experience with it. = ER requires at least one ack and uses a timer, and FR uses packet threshold= s.

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= ----==_mimepart_5be96975793dd_4ff63fe4c54d45c4584493-- From nobody Mon Nov 12 04:10:43 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E392130E0C for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 04:10:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id anqnnvFubPd7 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 04:10:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E026B130E01 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 04:10:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 04:10:38 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542024638; bh=UUtNkG20n9929hH39a7I0lo0/GVLSGSKp2+5UK9LIXc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=oBypoOGAF4O1ljqrgzqqQfy6aW9jtw7SpV3CHa4QgsKLR7sxgBoU16i5nUkqcKfMP CjeTNRBwYtY0MWafL4/9/CFUQz+IagcsUMlhIgT+3JlYDHo9a26SapHf6QoTxYr1V6 CFa3U+6DnnppxlxrGcVNOrPXpLt/XHJ8lJc6i7uE= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] encoding of CONNECTION_CLOSE reason phrases (#1990) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be96dbee3bad_6ae33fc4f64d45b8126730"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 12:10:42 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be96dbee3bad_6ae33fc4f64d45b8126730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @mikkelfj > If it's UTF-8 it is much simpler to dump in error logs, even if you don't bother validate it. Some logs tend to use JSON which is practically always UTF-8. Don't do that. Because this is how you create a DoS attack vector on the server side. If the reason phase contained an invalid UTF-8 sequence, creating a JSON that contains that reason phase makes the entire JSON invalid. Because many JSON decoders refuse to return anything when the input contains an invalid UTF-8 sequence, you essentially destroy all the information that were stored in JSON. For example, consider you have an automated system that collects the reason phases for all the connections sent by the peer. Having just one invalid reason phase stops the entire system. To summarize, calling it "MUST UTF-8" does not make things simpler. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1990#issuecomment-437856770 ----==_mimepart_5be96dbee3bad_6ae33fc4f64d45b8126730 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@mikkelfj

If it's UTF-8 it is much simpler to dump in error logs, even if you do= n't bother validate it. Some logs tend to use JSON which is practically a= lways UTF-8.

Don't do that. Because this is how you create a DoS attack vector on t= he server side.

If the reason phase contained an invalid UTF-8 sequence, creating a JS= ON that contains that reason phase makes the entire JSON invalid. Because= many JSON decoders refuse to return anything when the input contains an = invalid UTF-8 sequence, you essentially destroy all the information that = were stored in JSON.

For example, consider you have an automated system that collects the r= eason phases for all the connections sent by the peer. Having just one in= valid reason phase stops the entire system.

To summarize, calling it "MUST UTF-8" does not make things simpler.

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= ----==_mimepart_5be96dbee3bad_6ae33fc4f64d45b8126730-- From nobody Mon Nov 12 04:13:23 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E43C130E0C for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 04:13:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b9zi5lfeoO8a for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 04:13:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4C4F5130DFC for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 04:13:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 04:13:18 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542024798; bh=H817mZLul/ZCFHOY3EVhtKRy6i7XooMTieF8v76t/ws=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Sj9rowtqJpA3u+bRcRPIdDO7lnkL0D1dtMkC9WT1vsX2YbmrbZk17MCQBB8jTCcUM mGKxrgSXnsRPSGy4Ch2ofIt2WGTjiLK0RA0FquN9hVvIrv3CBEkO6PwUcTdIeCGQo1 BXKSaVvGVGyxbpxZ6bJ69xes4/92byuntvJ65ZCo= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] encoding of CONNECTION_CLOSE reason phrases (#1990) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be96e5e71fd5_280d3fd7bf8d45c474421"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 12:13:21 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be96e5e71fd5_280d3fd7bf8d45c474421 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @janaiyengar > For devs, I can't imagine that language tags will help when the entire protocol is in English. I'm fine with a SHOULD for UTF-8, and leave the implications of non-UTF-8 encodings to implementations. +1. Most HTTP logs use ASCII as their output, escaping out-of-range characters using some kind of notation (e.g., `\xNN`). Assuming that the reason phrase be in English in practice, we can log the contents of the reason phase the same way as we log the HTTP headers. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1990#issuecomment-437857387 ----==_mimepart_5be96e5e71fd5_280d3fd7bf8d45c474421 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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For devs, I can't imagine that language tags will help when the entire= protocol is in English. I'm fine with a SHOULD for UTF-8, and leave the = implications of non-UTF-8 encodings to implementations.

+1.

Most HTTP logs use ASCII as their output, escaping out-of-range charac= ters using some kind of notation (e.g., \xNN). Assuming that= the reason phrase be in English in practice, we can log the contents of = the reason phase the same way as we log the HTTP headers.

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= ----==_mimepart_5be96e5e71fd5_280d3fd7bf8d45c474421-- From nobody Mon Nov 12 04:16:39 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DD8D130E0E for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 04:16:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x0AOcJZFlAxU for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 04:16:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A32B130E08 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 04:16:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 04:16:35 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542024995; bh=tW+NtoiWIk7F7LMgElGgVt4plKv1yTkjWqhpde83/xo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=VJAD4yr5LweMEzUFDT/MhGh0aMmnjXlqgztJuhI3JV1SXX+YYbl9wm0ynZLhlC3Tp wEpEm0zvLmOfo11yT+PxZ3VeOs0VKTjWjzSJMP9YP9T/myPZEFY4VCCn5em23P0kt7 dvrtf8fVzBHDB6GZeU6svfekPqw+QrZoC+sBHPj4= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Spin bit should be applied per each 5-tuple rather than per connection (#1828) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be96f23d3734_6b83fe99a4d45b8711ef"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 12:16:39 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be96f23d3734_6b83fe99a4d45b8711ef Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree that from endpoint's perspective spinning per connection is the easiest thing to do. >From observer's perspective, it becomes hard to track which client CID is associated to which server CID when multiple CIDs rotate simultaneously, but all you lose in that case is the capability to observe the distance between the observation point and the endpoints. The RTT of the connection would still be observable. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1828#issuecomment-437858230 ----==_mimepart_5be96f23d3734_6b83fe99a4d45b8711ef Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I agree that from endpoint's perspective spinning per connection is th= e easiest thing to do.

From observer's perspective, it becomes hard to track which client CID= is associated to which server CID when multiple CIDs rotate simultaneous= ly, but all you lose in that case is the capability to observe the distan= ce between the observation point and the endpoints. The RTT of the connec= tion would still be observable.

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= ----==_mimepart_5be96f23d3734_6b83fe99a4d45b8711ef-- From nobody Mon Nov 12 04:21:49 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C0C7130E01 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 04:21:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id memINU7A-8G3 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 04:21:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 52817130DFC for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 04:21:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 04:21:45 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542025305; bh=6Q1Bz8ix6o6qOJtjSrnVaAdpStKkk7HuzHvK7uDvP1Y=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=2fehp/TjiaAzQD0U/4Dgvrk9qeqVY/tDeXQPpl7ZsDRXaSOtggEevuIoaw6sR/FuU R0lFsPY9tBaU3ya+rKJC9pMzX4VLKqPY1Y+scRN9vmTzJcTrzLTwcO8HA7kJaQRo3L 3xt6up095z6DYGOZsiw44DjfJohVsmO7rLdOXPGQ= From: Anne van Kesteren Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Introduce a bit to indicate the server doesn't do IP-based authentication (#1993) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be9705922211_e643f923d2d45c44715b9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: annevk X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 12:21:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be9705922211_e643f923d2d45c44715b9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For CORS there might be origin-wide configurations going forward, as per https://github.com/WICG/origin-policy, but that wouldn't really help with any kind of low-level networking API. And CORS is quite granular today when it comes to what kind of requests can be made. A low-level bit would bypass all those restrictions more easily allowing for dictionary-based attacks and such, including on cookies, which would no longer have the same restrictions as they do today in the Fetch/HTTP stack exposed by browsers. This also applies to other things in the Fetch/HTTP stack which would have to be re-examined. (This is assuming a low-level API on which an attacker could build their own HTTP client.) Sigh, perhaps Origin Policy/Manifest is our best bet and low-level APIs are too dangerous. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1993#issuecomment-437859443 ----==_mimepart_5be9705922211_e643f923d2d45c44715b9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

For CORS there might be origin-wide configurations going forward, as p= er https://github.com/W= ICG/origin-policy, but that wouldn't really help with any kind of low= -level networking API.

And CORS is quite granular today when it comes to what kind of request= s can be made. A low-level bit would bypass all those restrictions more e= asily allowing for dictionary-based attacks and such, including on cookie= s, which would no longer have the same restrictions as they do today in t= he Fetch/HTTP stack exposed by browsers. This also applies to other thing= s in the Fetch/HTTP stack which would have to be re-examined. (This is as= suming a low-level API on which an attacker could build their own HTTP cl= ient.)

Sigh, perhaps Origin Policy/Manifest is our best bet and low-level API= s are too dangerous.

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= ----==_mimepart_5be9705922211_e643f923d2d45c44715b9-- From nobody Mon Nov 12 04:33:20 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC04D130E1D for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 04:33:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p_uNVoGaAFJp for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 04:33:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CD43130E1A for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 04:33:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 04:33:17 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542025997; bh=pUIVlEdOzdESadFt/bUDOcWnMrXM1AGEQXKFi3EExhQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=jBZWQsV2NAreBovOprdiXTz3DpuA9KXs13EbRlvSJ7F6k/CbFQUHKm0MHYiBOOvEI bPN+WmVeqfnskVamtC1nu9kiGdg/DWcN/aaIdPkz2d7GG0AKOieIxIOaZhk6hAzWOl NBtvuXncIyQ4XcZFdMQlSuh0mtsd+fwB8q+MWpiA= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] encoding of CONNECTION_CLOSE reason phrases (#1990) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be9730d82029_3a883fe402ad45b4192515"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 12:33:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be9730d82029_3a883fe402ad45b4192515 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Docker tends to log to JSON. While that isn't very efficient, that is what happens. I'm not sure what kind of validation happens behind the scenes, but I'd assume it would escape anything that isn't valid UTF-8, or at least anything that contains a null character. That said, Docker is perfectly capable of DOS'ing itself without outside help. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1990#issuecomment-437862809 ----==_mimepart_5be9730d82029_3a883fe402ad45b4192515 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Docker tends to log to JSON. While that isn't very efficient, that is = what happens. I'm not sure what kind of validation happens behind the sce= nes, but I'd assume it would escape anything that isn't valid UTF-8, or a= t least anything that contains a null character. That said, Docker is per= fectly capable of DOS'ing itself without outside help.

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Yeah my understanding is that sizeof(HkdfLabel) - 1 needs= to be equal to or smaller than the block size of the hash function (e.g.= 64 octets in SHA256).

In our case, len(Context) is zero, so I'd assume that we = have even more space than 21 octets :-)

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----==_mimepart_5be98df876e37_5ad03ff27f2d45b83533ee-- From nobody Mon Nov 12 06:46:36 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D29C4130E43 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 06:46:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D4iX6vyDk8hn for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 06:46:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 063B0130E42 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 06:46:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 06:46:29 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542033989; bh=6DvZhHTu0VCNGNZwqduWbhOHZXZyziAiwpT2vvgSK1g=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=FbTPecceDg4LqoLW3TmVzzBdERG2vsTrAX0WnN5878tN7yKX7SAInXiLmf8UJJOds N90pIsEMyjVBnWj97KqA4GqgO3YK2vdX58OPjM+AHEIPVmCNVlXAt+0Ni7lsf96krs VTphRUAWY22oFS+yyi9whzQTCF87l/PoqFBcw3hE= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove kUsingTimeLossDetection from Recovery draft (#1969) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be99245dbb9f_205a3fc6924d45c06744fc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 14:46:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be99245dbb9f_205a3fc6924d45c06744fc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think removing time threshold loss detection is the right direction, both based on personal experience and on talking with Praveen and Yuchung about RACK. Removing ER seems like a better long term direction. Time threshold loss detection still requires a larger packet to be declared acknowledged to declare a smaller one lost. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1969#issuecomment-437907432 ----==_mimepart_5be99245dbb9f_205a3fc6924d45c06744fc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I don't think removing time threshold loss detection is the right dire= ction, both based on personal experience and on talking with Praveen and = Yuchung about RACK. Removing ER seems like a better long term direction.= Time threshold loss detection still requires a larger packet to be decl= ared acknowledged to declare a smaller one lost.

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= ----==_mimepart_5be99245dbb9f_205a3fc6924d45c06744fc-- From nobody Mon Nov 12 07:28:28 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52A2D130E68 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 07:28:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eTvaqNScrtKX for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 07:28:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-16.smtp.github.com (out-16.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 61B79128DFD for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 07:28:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 07:28:23 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542036503; bh=ADq2Rae6KWQtJaSd1c9EUl/Re12pn38aDIQ99JpmdxA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=u2aB0A0emCniGWaH9hpXO/l6sPxxctIOrObb5SGvlMMU8kHmA1nArfQDsunzSTBjS hduneE40HPrAiesczgmpTJcd7WyhNYppyNYCVs4iFeRrQC4HyOTEaEz2czvW/74RDA 68fha8OEaY5UGmpSl/MwVPvLknv+sFcLUw1a8yb4= From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Reserve Long Header Packet Type for QUIC-LB (#1980) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be99c179aedf_ca53f9be02d45b832068c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 15:28:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be99c179aedf_ca53f9be02d45b832068c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @janaiyengar my understanding is that the current goal for QUIC-LB is to get it adopted by the WG ASAP (@martinduke please correct me if I'm wrong). Also, I'm not explicitly asking for a new value to be reserved JUST for QUIC-LB, just that we have a provision in the transport to allow something else to use another value. @martinthomson the entire goal of the QUIC-LB draft is to define a protocol to allow load balancers to configure backend servers, with the primary goal focused on configuration for CID routing (though it may be used for other things in the future: RETRY token encoding, 0-RTT ticket keys, ...). We aren't worried about how the configuration packets are going to be routed to the backend servers. Obviously they can be sent directly. As I stated before, they don't even have CIDs in them anyways. These packets don't create connections between the backend server and load balancer. It would be possible to not use special QUIC packets, but instead to design the protocol on top of QUIC connections, but that would add a LOT of extra complexity. Right now, no TLS is required. Another goal for this protocol is to have it easily implementable in hardware. As to the possible ossification downside of this, I agree it could be a concern. As QUIC-LB's intended use of this is just between the backend server and load balancers, you'd never see this value on the open internet. Perhaps it can be reserved and greased on the open internet. IDK... @martinduke I agree that we have a last resort of repurposing the RETRY code point to our own purposes, but that seems really ugly from a design and an implementation perspective. I'd really prefer to only do that as a last resort. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1980#issuecomment-437922256 ----==_mimepart_5be99c179aedf_ca53f9be02d45b832068c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@janaiyengar my understanding is that the current goal = for QUIC-LB is to get it adopted by the WG ASAP (@martinduke p= lease correct me if I'm wrong). Also, I'm not explicitly asking for a new= value to be reserved JUST for QUIC-LB, just that we have a provision in = the transport to allow something else to use another value.

@martinthomson the entire goal of the QUIC-LB draft is t= o define a protocol to allow load balancers to configure backend servers,= with the primary goal focused on configuration for CID routing (though i= t may be used for other things in the future: RETRY token encoding, 0-RTT= ticket keys, ...). We aren't worried about how the configuration packets= are going to be routed to the backend servers. Obviously they can be sen= t directly. As I stated before, they don't even have CIDs in them anyways= . These packets don't create connections between the backend server and l= oad balancer. It would be possible to not use special QUIC packets, but i= nstead to design the protocol on top of QUIC connections, but that would = add a LOT of extra complexity. Right now, no TLS is required. Another goa= l for this protocol is to have it easily implementable in hardware.

As to the possible ossification downside of this, I agree it could be = a concern. As QUIC-LB's intended use of this is just between the backend = server and load balancers, you'd never see this value on the open interne= t. Perhaps it can be reserved and greased on the open internet. IDK...

@martinduke I agree that we have a last resort of repurp= osing the RETRY code point to our own purposes, but that seems really ugl= y from a design and an implementation perspective. I'd really prefer to o= nly do that as a last resort.

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= ----==_mimepart_5be99c179aedf_ca53f9be02d45b832068c-- From nobody Mon Nov 12 07:59:28 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E69B812F1AC for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 07:59:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05cIG5svW7bb for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 07:59:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5824312D4E8 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 07:59:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 07:59:23 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542038363; bh=qGpAK/YPj64EHPC0fM6o/XGGbWPdz4JKj7PU1/w0CIs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ySJ+KMSuithIZ6wv6HajSASyvF/+LpQmuvxn6cYMR9rcp4zj9T+10QXxskv9/kRrO BpOp9cNJ5In1i9Flju2za+jq05FYZIcv5JmWEfFHPxjIR6EBuoUjKVTXmLVWeXK6la TRtJUcBXXff63TXIpqUjt5AVWMDt6QBEnSGasTF4= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Reserve Long Header Packet Type for QUIC-LB (#1980) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be9a35b212bf_12c53fbf4ded45bc105766"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 15:59:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be9a35b212bf_12c53fbf4ded45bc105766 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As previously stated, QUIC already has an extension point, which is the version number field of a long header packet. Any protocol including QUIC-LB can define it's own 4 octets to distinguish itself from other traffic. For example, QUIC-LB can declare it self to use 0x1b000000 to identify itself. Then, if you need to have a version number field within QUIC-LB, you can create your own LB version field in the payload area. I do not think we need any other extension mechanism, for QUIC LB or whatever. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1980#issuecomment-437933598 ----==_mimepart_5be9a35b212bf_12c53fbf4ded45bc105766 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

As previously stated, QUIC already has an extension point, which is th= e version number field of a long header packet.

Any protocol including QUIC-LB can define it's own 4 octets to disting= uish itself from other traffic.

For example, QUIC-LB can declare it self to use 0x1b000000 to identify= itself. Then, if you need to have a version number field within QUIC-LB,= you can create your own LB version field in the payload area.

I do not think we need any other extension mechanism, for QUIC LB or w= hatever.

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= ----==_mimepart_5be9a35b212bf_12c53fbf4ded45bc105766-- From nobody Mon Nov 12 08:03:30 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12823130E4A for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 08:03:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eXG-Oi88q_iP for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 08:03:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 751A412F1AC for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 08:03:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 08:03:07 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542038587; bh=SGUzO05Rs67tT6xe8vSQzQdXPWGDU6BXDBP345RU7+A=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Aqxvl6eSq1aD9Oc9JznNC5rGSzu3xxZIAV7bJZ467yIwvDdJm49/KnWrc0T+NM0Ym BDwqk/wHNu4lQHSODwSJtoZwIeUCX/zHIdsvcddZVm8dm4kcdyqw3XZv1cgq9Jtpdp ySCOO88Cp8dNpytlBijvtv7BwKFAY59ZpM2YvXcM= From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Reserve Long Header Packet Type for QUIC-LB (#1980) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be9a43b691ac_751a3ff40ead45c0164883"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 16:03:28 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be9a43b691ac_751a3ff40ead45c0164883 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @kazuho I agree that is another solution. I would prefer that over repurposing the RETRY packet type. It would possibly add some complexity on how VN should work. Should servers advertise support of that version? If so, should QUIC-LB 'sanitize' it when sent out over the open internet? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1980#issuecomment-437934967 ----==_mimepart_5be9a43b691ac_751a3ff40ead45c0164883 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@kazuho I agree that is another solution. I would prefer that o= ver repurposing the RETRY packet type. It would possibly add some complex= ity on how VN should work. Should servers advertise support of that versi= on? If so, should QUIC-LB 'sanitize' it when sent out over the open inter= net?

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It would possibly add some complexity on how VN should work. Should serv= ers advertise support of that version? If so, should QUIC-LB 'sanitize' it = when sent out over the open internet?

IIUC the QUIC-LB protocol (or whatever we call it) is not a variant of Q= UIC. It's a completely different protocol that happen to have the need to b= e demuxed from ordinary QUIC protocol.

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I'd prefer to reserve a version for QUIC-LB instead of changing the core QUIC transport or abusing RETRY.

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The objective we are trying to meet here is to support cases where the l= oad balancer to server path is not trusted. To do this, we believe we need = to pass through middleboxes that are dropping things that don't like QUIC.<= /p>

At the same time, we are reluctant to make load balancers support a full= implementation of QUIC.

I am fairly agnostic as to the solution as long as it looks "enough" lik= e QUIC without requiring a full implementation. When there were more availa= ble codepoints, it was simple enough to just take 0xfb. I see the ossificat= ion problems with going to 8 codepoints instead of 4.

Whatever the design team comes up with will have to get ratified by the = WG anyway. If the least objectionable choice is a different version, we can= proceed with that.

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----==_mimepart_5be9bfe172727_2bd13fa5672d45b419629c-- From nobody Mon Nov 12 10:19:36 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77F25130E37 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 10:19:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9aM9s7PieOqJ for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 10:19:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-15.smtp.github.com (out-15.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E8D5D126CC7 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 10:19:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 10:05:28 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542045929; bh=g69YB/JbsmBkL04pefL/ahG55xo6z7heOcOYYqzg+20=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=samJmKsVRcd+P67x4L0LN7YjVtAlhU3HuPQMy97Zn41yk4yBR+wkd1LNG5YpFVw0R MRjE/rkqFufU366G3mywFnjH0vrNP7ejbJ5o2fDA2kc+1ZnlW+9DFN2bdlxAi03XEA 7xspdsuYPgQhx41eRaPFGFa5bKSvhy5s+Z+kqA88= From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] encoding of CONNECTION_CLOSE reason phrases (#1990) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be9c0e8edb50_500b3fa5672d45b414054b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 18:19:36 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be9c0e8edb50_500b3fa5672d45b414054b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For debugging purposes, you could just always include a unidirectional STREAM frame with any reason text... -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1990#issuecomment-437976009 ----==_mimepart_5be9c0e8edb50_500b3fa5672d45b414054b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

For debugging purposes, you could just always include a unidirectional STREAM frame with any reason text...

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So at the moment, I think quant is the only stack that actually put something into that field. Given that other stacks aren't even doing it when we should be heavily debugging, maybe we just remove the field entirely?

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Pushing this logic, it could make sense to also include the QUIC version in the transport key labels. Then, if some other version of QUIC comes up with a serious version authentication flaw, other versions may not be affected by cross-protocol/cross-version attacks.

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I think text is probably useful for all the errors that have no precise error code as implementations become more refined and error check peer input more thoroughly. The alternative could be a request for a lot more error messages. E.g. what is protocol violation?

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----==_mimepart_5be9c88223ec2_25e33fde38ed45bc90369b-- From nobody Mon Nov 12 11:00:44 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42E90126CC7 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 11:00:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KlfTIYLYsO_u for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 11:00:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C0984130E58 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 11:00:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=ZTvajFgomc41AdZv6DCeV5i9aCI=; b=RI1jdTEbZMUjalBJ FfHwLlYIxlrltYrEOgD8g7oDwa1nFnUPmOpv4BH8AMs1Yvo8vlCWU49jXjnLGvio bvAcgUk18afe9n+1EkE0uPP4Y7ZsbvjuAu3KJGl1j0p8tIfl/we14vjdsKe6onGr yXzxQwJtJoLZmkmmYsu3RQ4u6SE= Received: by filter1617p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1617p1mdw1-18404-5BE9CDD3-1E 2018-11-12 19:00:35.795264115 +0000 UTC m=+435524.016997158 Received: from github-lowworker-cef7735.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.35]) by ismtpd0049p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id qxeBG-TxTFiXhQRc4-Khbg for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 19:00:35.934 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-cef7735.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6B6D1E12BF for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 11:00:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 19:00:35 +0000 (UTC) From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] encoding of CONNECTION_CLOSE reason phrases (#1990) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5be9cdd3a3202_63233fe39c2d45b41327ec"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3WNTluN5iZ8XHcYdbw7x/cwREFP7GNzbQntp DpAVsuGrXK6DZV6mdiFOpvX+86AlnyjJpIPwT/0mCbi6CDy3ACyAVO2cEzBB458b26mk4YUk7b0N6+ wT/2U62N+MUjGolR/MhcU/sTFDYaJwULfBA7N9scE0Og5ZKupHRHVCxE3a7l7LSJzycPgwXwjVM1TE 8= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 19:00:42 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5be9cdd3a3202_63233fe39c2d45b41327ec Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I think quant is the only stack that actually puts something into that field. LiteSpeed QUIC puts useful information into the reason field of the CONNECTION_CLOSE frame as well. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1990#issuecomment-437992670 ----==_mimepart_5be9cdd3a3202_63233fe39c2d45b41327ec Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think quant is the only stack that actually puts something into that field.

LiteSpeed QUIC puts useful information into the reason field of the CONNECTION_CLOSE frame as well.

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gQUIC is definitely using the reason field and intends to continue using it.

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A subset of QUIC sounds like a new version with implicit ties to an existing version. LB could take advantage of version negotiation and get encryption, handshake, and version stability without going full QUIC and without inventing its own protocol.

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interesting.

one of the nice things here is that it addresses the binding vulnerabili= ty by pushing cors down the stack (at least as far as the assertion goes). = I would be concerned that variable binding is a normal part of the web plat= form (DNS, but also l4 lb, and alt-svc, and origin frame, ..) and its not h= ard to imagine mismatches here which lead to unexpected hard failure even f= or non web services.

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  • Fix QPACK error listing: need blank lines between entries

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----==_mimepart_5be9fb0eee16_22143fa9a58d45bc3130ba-- From nobody Mon Nov 12 14:56:55 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0C20130DD0 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 14:56:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aV6wjt-VYWi8 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 14:56:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EB09012785F for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 14:56:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=H6XZiaiJ8/eJYSV8jwt6k3M0BcM=; b=uJciOrXgeuJZTvk2 uadp9P6deFb2v86fgJtPE8A9uX0icSKHygEsNFtONXMARqeXTc5KYzcDYKerJgCr idHTiOiDNdHYxOmD/40w22JfqV507gPYJyMH3DGkxpxYaXo1Fay8Keq/Rb+1zuDo 8rQ/lXBC6vCZosi482rhbMKJ584= Received: by filter0665p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0665p1las1-28368-5BEA0532-1 2018-11-12 22:56:50.090387581 +0000 UTC m=+360967.858058554 Received: from github-lowworker-dcd58f3.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.33]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 3PhsvIDnSTq96QN7wdxsTg for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 22:56:49.981 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-dcd58f3.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBDDD2415EB for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 14:56:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 22:56:50 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Spin bit should be applied per each 5-tuple rather than per connection (#1828) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bea0531e9624_79903f7f5dcd45bc709f2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3WetXZ3E0tG1AJZzmhyidh38Lg82o+OK0Q0D OMV/QYkGgRCZa2BdMjKlPxIKYfJK1majRoQgGKEi8hh+BH0xAuoLPiXRKAjeHQJ83eNG4rNRLVrDs9 EX8q2wbQEEA/elFzYLKOYENZcXwNMGzZSch55vUe2lXjB1Co538cqnJmW7RjDox0hVulSHs1BbKIKz g= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 22:56:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bea0531e9624_79903f7f5dcd45bc709f2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think that we need fancy here. Simply state that - ideally - spinning is scoped to a 5-tuple. You might then observe that if connections share the same path, then they might not be able to coordinate spinning. Aside from it being logistically difficult to coordinate across connections, coordination isn't possible in all cases. With diverse endpoints, there could be NATs/load-balancers/middleboxes that know how to multiplex and demultiplex based on connection ID at both ends. That makes @britram's thinking useful (...minimum publishable unit?). Of course, if spinning could be coordinated, that would make the signal cleaner. Note that multiple connections on the same path is hard to distinguish from the same connection with alternating connection IDs, unless the end-to-end latency differs. (Note to self: look into gaming this.) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1828#issuecomment-438058714 ----==_mimepart_5bea0531e9624_79903f7f5dcd45bc709f2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I don't think that we need fancy here. Simply state that - ideally - sp= inning is scoped to a 5-tuple. You might then observe that if connections = share the same path, then they might not be able to coordinate spinning.

Aside from it being logistically difficult to coordinate across connecti= ons, coordination isn't possible in all cases. With diverse endpoints, ther= e could be NATs/load-balancers/middleboxes that know how to multiplex and d= emultiplex based on connection ID at both ends. That makes @britram's = thinking useful (...minimum publishable unit?). Of course, if spinning cou= ld be coordinated, that would make the signal cleaner.

Note that multiple connections on the same path is hard to distinguish f= rom the same connection with alternating connection IDs, unless the end-to-= end latency differs. (Note to self: look into gaming this.)

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@adl suggests in #1991: "it could make sense to also include the QUIC version in the transport key labels"

A simple hack would be to (ab)use the unused context field, and include the 4 octet version.

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To answer @marten-seemann 's first point, I do think that the= congestion control rules in the spec matter, even though they're unenforce= able. Implementers will sometimes do whatever the spec lets them get away w= ith. The reason I brought it up was the fairly stupid "never send an ACK wi= th data" loophole.

Regardless, this is clearly DOA and I'm closing it.

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@larseggert f5 sometimes puts something in there. In TCP-land we have weird hacks to include RST reasons in our packet traces, and believe this field is useful in the real world.

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+1 to adding QUIC version.

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My understanding is that what @huitema is proposing in
#1951 (comment) is just defining when the endpoints shou= ld drop Initial keys (and stop sending / receiving Initial packets).

Until that happens, endpoints are expected to ACK Initial packets. So = in case of HRR, the exchanges of packets will be exactly the same as we h= ave now up to the point when the server receives the 2nd Client Hello.

I think that the approach would work fine, and that it is trivial to i= mplement.

The only annoyance I feel about the proposal is the fact that it is an= attempt to overturn our previous conclusion to use explicit ACKs. But I = agree that this is an improvement in terms of security and also that it i= s trivial to implement. Hence my +1 to adopting the proposal.

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FYI, in accordance with the spirit of RFC 5704, w3c/webrtc-quic#73 just had this added: w3c/webrtc-quic@a4b1bee

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@ianswett i understand better now. I can change the PR to mention Cubic instead.

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Editorial suggestions, and replace BBR with Cubic > @@ -918,7 +918,10 @@ packet is a probe packet sent after the TLP or RTO timer expires, as described in {{tlp}} and {{rto}}. Implementations MAY use other congestion control algorithms, and endpoints MAY -use different algorithms from one another. The signals QUIC provides for +use different algorithms from one another. An example would be the ```suggestion use other algorithms, such as Cubic {{?RFC8312}}. The signals QUIC provides for ``` > @@ -918,7 +918,10 @@ packet is a probe packet sent after the TLP or RTO timer expires, as described in {{tlp}} and {{rto}}. Implementations MAY use other congestion control algorithms, and endpoints MAY -use different algorithms from one another. The signals QUIC provides for +use different algorithms from one another. An example would be the +experimental BBR Congestion Control Mechanism ```suggestion ``` > @@ -918,7 +918,10 @@ packet is a probe packet sent after the TLP or RTO timer expires, as described in {{tlp}} and {{rto}}. Implementations MAY use other congestion control algorithms, and endpoints MAY -use different algorithms from one another. The signals QUIC provides for +use different algorithms from one another. An example would be the +experimental BBR Congestion Control Mechanism +{{?I-D.cardwell-iccrg-bbr-congestion-control}} which minimises induced ```suggestion ``` > @@ -918,7 +918,10 @@ packet is a probe packet sent after the TLP or RTO timer expires, as described in {{tlp}} and {{rto}}. Implementations MAY use other congestion control algorithms, and endpoints MAY -use different algorithms from one another. The signals QUIC provides for +use different algorithms from one another. An example would be the +experimental BBR Congestion Control Mechanism +{{?I-D.cardwell-iccrg-bbr-congestion-control}} which minimises induced +latency along delivery path. The signals QUIC provides for ```suggestion ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1975#pullrequestreview-174213733 ----==_mimepart_5bea74a837b30_c813fc3268d45b8194252 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

Editorial suggestions, and replace BBR with Cubic

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -918,7 +918,10 @@ packet is a probe pac=
ket sent after the TLP or RTO timer expires, as described
 in {{tlp}} and {{rto}}.
 =

 Implementations MAY use other congestion control algorithms, and endpoin=
ts MAY
-use different algorithms from one another. The signals QUIC provides for=

+use different algorithms from one another. An example would be the
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-use different algorithms from one another. An=
 example would be the
+use other algorithms, such as Cubic {{?RFC8312}}.  The signals QUIC prov=
ides for

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -918,7 +918,10 @@ packet is a probe pac=
ket sent after the TLP or RTO timer expires, as described
 in {{tlp}} and {{rto}}.
 =

 Implementations MAY use other congestion control algorithms, and endpoin=
ts MAY
-use different algorithms from one another. The signals QUIC provides for=

+use different algorithms from one another. An example would be the
+experimental BBR Congestion Control Mechanism
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-experimental BBR Congestion Control Mechanism=

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -918,7 +918,10 @@ packet is a probe pac=
ket sent after the TLP or RTO timer expires, as described
 in {{tlp}} and {{rto}}.
 =

 Implementations MAY use other congestion control algorithms, and endpoin=
ts MAY
-use different algorithms from one another. The signals QUIC provides for=

+use different algorithms from one another. An example would be the
+experimental BBR Congestion Control Mechanism
+{{?I-D.cardwell-iccrg-bbr-congestion-control}} which minimises induced
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-{{?I-D.cardwell-iccrg-bbr-congestion-control}=
} which minimises induced

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -918,7 +918,10 @@ packet is a probe pac=
ket sent after the TLP or RTO timer expires, as described
 in {{tlp}} and {{rto}}.
 =

 Implementations MAY use other congestion control algorithms, and endpoin=
ts MAY
-use different algorithms from one another. The signals QUIC provides for=

+use different algorithms from one another. An example would be the
+experimental BBR Congestion Control Mechanism
+{{?I-D.cardwell-iccrg-bbr-congestion-control}} which minimises induced
+latency along delivery path. The signals QUIC provides for
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-latency along delivery path. The signals QUIC=
 provides for

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With VN an LB should detect a requested LB version and only offer LB versions in response. It should not offer LB versions normally. It would probably also filter on IP range and use a different port when possible.

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Fixes #1994.

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Note ongoing proposal for dynamic ACK frequency elsewhere. The generic signal mentioned here should perhaps be updated to reflect this, if proposal goes through.

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Looks good to me

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  An endpoint SHOULD ensure that its peer has a sufficient number of available and
-unused connection IDs.  While each endpoint independently chooses how many
-connection IDs to issue, endpoints SHOULD provide and maintain at least eight
-connection IDs.  The endpoint can do this by always supplying a new connection
-ID when a connection ID is retired by its peer or when the endpoint receives a
-packet with a previously unused connection ID.  Endpoints that initiate
-migration and require non-zero-length connection IDs SHOULD provide their peers
-with new connection IDs before migration, or risk the peer closing the
-connection.
+unused connection IDs. Endpoints store received connection IDs for future use. 
+They advertise the limit how many unretired connection IDs they are willing to

Word missing?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  An endpoint SHOULD ensure that its peer has a sufficient number of available and
-unused connection IDs.  While each endpoint independently chooses how many
-connection IDs to issue, endpoints SHOULD provide and maintain at least eight
-connection IDs.  The endpoint can do this by always supplying a new connection
-ID when a connection ID is retired by its peer or when the endpoint receives a
-packet with a previously unused connection ID.  Endpoints that initiate
-migration and require non-zero-length connection IDs SHOULD provide their peers
-with new connection IDs before migration, or risk the peer closing the
-connection.
+unused connection IDs. Endpoints store received connection IDs for future use. 
+They advertise the limit how many unretired connection IDs they are willing to

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3806,6 +3803,7 @@ language from Section 3 of {{!TLS13=RFC8446}}.
       max_ack_delay(11),
       disable_migration(12),
       preferred_address(13),
+      max_connection_ids(14),

Do we need to renumber these again?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -5303,6 +5312,7 @@ from 0xFF00 to 0xFFFF are reserved for Private Use {{!RFC8126}}.
 | 0x9   | VERSION_NEGOTIATION_ERROR | Version negotiation failure   | {{error-codes}} |
 | 0xA   | PROTOCOL_VIOLATION        | Generic protocol violation    | {{error-codes}} |
 | 0xC   | INVALID_MIGRATION         | Violated disabled migration   | {{error-codes}} |
+| 0xD   | CONNECTION_ID_LIMIT_ERROR | Too many connection IDs provided | {{error-codes}} |

The whole table looks like it wants to be reordered at some point.

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@mikkelfj noted. I will work on updating the generic signal section if it goes through.

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----==_mimepart_5bea8836b050_18cc3fe19fed45c081659-- From nobody Tue Nov 13 00:26:40 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A975912D7EA for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2018 00:26:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d9Yj4qO3o-Sh for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2018 00:26:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A054D130DDA for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2018 00:26:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2018 00:26:35 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542097595; bh=p5km2ARagtpHA+sU+TEB/x/DYljsnNzS9EhT0igXc9c=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=n/MPrNUxvCOso5FZLDgmV+Di4A2JtVlCcJitF352xmoTQv5T8SGKkisd9yPf5u0hn PBit1+AuU2QmVba3On3FUa/lj5WSi9mfsw8HQIXfKiaQwXejFUhuuAqvdrd51/DlBZ 9cqhqfh3/49EnYu7KMRK/8wtcq/KegVO+D57XqhE= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] a Reset packet doesn't provide a connection ID, a Retry packet does (#1999) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bea8abb8d22a_6d9c3fe7ba0d45bc1503741"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2018 08:26:39 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bea8abb8d22a_6d9c3fe7ba0d45bc1503741 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gah! Some day, we'll learn. Or not. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1999#issuecomment-438178191 ----==_mimepart_5bea8abb8d22a_6d9c3fe7ba0d45bc1503741 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bea8ac16fe38_6cbe2afe44046574955f7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2018 08:26:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bea8ac16fe38_6cbe2afe44046574955f7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 966baa6d9810953a26789f1c164a86ecf469e909 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/966baa6d9810953a26789f1c164a86ecf469e909 Author: Marten Seemann Date: 2018-11-13 (Tue, 13 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- a Reset packet doesn't provide a connection ID, a Retry packet does Commit: c2a60b88dd31fc654d43962d1ae97b48f943a853 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c2a60b88dd31fc654d43962d1ae97b48f943a853 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-11-13 (Tue, 13 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1999 from marten-seemann/no-reset-packet a Reset packet doesn't provide a connection ID, a Retry packet does Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/630188f89769...c2a60b88dd31 **NOTE:** This service has been marked for deprecation: https://developer.github.com/changes/2018-04-25-github-services-deprecation/ Functionality will be removed from GitHub.com on January 31st, 2019. ----==_mimepart_5bea8ac16fe38_6cbe2afe44046574955f7-- From nobody Tue Nov 13 00:26:55 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43A6A12D7EA for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2018 00:26:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.469 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.469 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yzfbFg1rdyyS for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2018 00:26:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A683E130DDA for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2018 00:26:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2018 00:26:44 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542097604; bh=dz/4tLvJvupT1yPo5yBnbzOruUo7RxXofic06wwX5ys=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=SxRFkq+t6rSsRg6DojO9uA9cibpOYKrlfNWk/sTDuLVdEshsvTkOBwMTMFVFOc56l x2c5jh4VarqeNIIzLbnGRpD61TT5WADfJAMyWWuup9+6VZF/aYdEZG3mYD3tKrfki8 tSyLFv/fcbLW1dkrbrDqPLnGDEy+JkPg91GIHqK8= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] a Reset packet doesn't provide a connection ID, a Retry packet does (#1999) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bea8ac4c2964_3e7c3fe39aed45b495701d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2018 08:26:47 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bea8ac4c2964_3e7c3fe39aed45b495701d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merged #1999 into master. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Merged #1999 into master.

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Thanks folks for all the input. I think we can work reasonably well with a different version number.

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Closed #1980.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3981,6 +3979,12 @@ A client MUST NOT include an original connection ID, a stateless reset token, or
 a preferred address.  A server MUST treat receipt of any of these transport
 parameters as a connection error of type TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR.
 
+max_connection_ids (0x000e):
+
+: The maximum number of connection IDs that the peer is willing to store.
+  This value includes only connection IDs sent in NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames.
+  If this parameter is absent, a default of 8 is assumed.

I'd prefer a default of 0.

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This works for me, FWIW.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3981,6 +3979,12 @@ A client MUST NOT include an original connection ID, a stateless reset token, or
 a preferred address.  A server MUST treat receipt of any of these transport
 parameters as a connection error of type TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR.
 
+max_connection_ids (0x000e):
+
+: The maximum number of connection IDs that the peer is willing to store.
+  This value includes only connection IDs sent in NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames.
+  If this parameter is absent, a default of 8 is assumed.

I'm not sure I see a default of 0 as being better than 8.
If we're going to introduce a TP, and if everyone is going to set the TP all the time, then the default doesn't matter. If not, then I think we want to maintain 8 (or some similar value) for the same reasons that we had it before there was a TP.

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@MikeBishop commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  An endpoint SHOULD ensure that its peer has a sufficient number of available and
-unused connection IDs.  While each endpoint independently chooses how many
-connection IDs to issue, endpoints SHOULD provide and maintain at least eight
-connection IDs.  The endpoint can do this by always supplying a new connection
-ID when a connection ID is retired by its peer or when the endpoint receives a
-packet with a previously unused connection ID.  Endpoints that initiate
-migration and require non-zero-length connection IDs SHOULD provide their peers
-with new connection IDs before migration, or risk the peer closing the
-connection.
+unused connection IDs. Endpoints store received connection IDs for future use. 
+They advertise the limit how many unretired connection IDs they are willing to

"advertise the limit how many" could probably do with a limit "on" how many, but it might read better to simply "advertise how many".

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 When an endpoint issues a connection ID, it MUST accept packets that carry this
 connection ID for the duration of the connection or until its peer invalidates
 the connection ID via a RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frame
 ({{frame-retire-connection-id}}).
 
+Endpoints store received connection IDs for future use.  An endpoint that
+receives excessive connection IDs MAY discard those it cannot store.  An
+endpoint that issues connection IDs cannot expect its peer to store and use all
+issued connection IDs.

Belated question: when you discard them, it seems you should not send a RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frame, otherwise you may just get more?

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@MikeBishop commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 When an endpoint issues a connection ID, it MUST accept packets that carry this
 connection ID for the duration of the connection or until its peer invalidates
 the connection ID via a RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frame
 ({{frame-retire-connection-id}}).
 
+Endpoints store received connection IDs for future use.  An endpoint that
+receives excessive connection IDs MAY discard those it cannot store.  An
+endpoint that issues connection IDs cannot expect its peer to store and use all
+issued connection IDs.

The idea is that you can have an uncoordinated negotiation: I'm willing to issue 64, you only need 8. You take the 8 you want, let the remaining 56 fall on the floor, and then I'll replace the 8 you kept as you RETIRE them. If you RETIREd the 56 you didn't need, I'd replace those, and we'd get into an endless RETIRE/NEW drop for no purpose.

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I'm not convinced this is dire, since you're only going to issue as many CIDs as you're comfortable maintaining. However, it is a waste of bandwidth and mapping resources to send more than the peer wants to work with, so I suspect this is marginally better.

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...although it's also an interesting implementation question whether an HPACK/QPACK library could insert/remove OWS as appropriate to match existing entries in the static or dynamic table.

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That is so much better than that shady operation ...

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----==_mimepart_5beb29a577bb9_61ff3fee788d45b8979a7-- From nobody Tue Nov 13 11:46:38 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2856130DF1 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2018 11:46:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2OcinyABlVOA for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2018 11:46:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 11057130DE0 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2018 11:46:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2018 11:46:34 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542138394; bh=gt38bDl/Jxn27G7dwsnfcgNTjz3CC9tbKX7XcEXJcnA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=12Cmsyi5yyfPAEIOAOFvspaCDsC+uIt1ELe1kogWTy4x1FWFsqjqklkZrggFtBT8n LfmeeUBLPuD9EVC48DmGhirCSOyU3EOigAGwuBwZVBgrsX6Tpt140MKJwPe5FtQQmz yYA8+SYRHdlCVx1t4qKRC3bMuJJKa3M9jX67ELOE= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Sender-Controlled Delayed ACK Ratio (#1978) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5beb2a1a5dfb_24d3fdca18d45c4106929"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2018 19:46:37 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5beb2a1a5dfb_24d3fdca18d45c4106929 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @janaiyengar , if we're not going to add a generic UPDATE_TRANSPORT_PARAMs frame, then I think it makes more sense to ONLY have an UPDATE_ACK_RATIO/DELAY/etc frame and not add any new transport params, since I think what we have now is good enough to complete the handshake? I'm favoring adding the ability to update two params: 1) MaxAckDelay (default 25ms) 2) MaxPacketsBeforeAck (currently always 2) - aka how many packets can be received before sending an acknowledgement. Even though gQUIC has had success with fraction of RTT, I think it's less robust than specifying an actual amount of time, and specifying an amount of time allows for more precise TLP and RTO timeouts, which is very nice. I agree there need to be bounds on how small an ack delay a sender can request and how small a MaxPacketsBeforeAck? I'd prefer a hard failure(ie: connection close) to a "I'm just not going to do what you ask and not tell you", so I'd prefer a transport param or other mechanism to communicate the MinMaxAckDelay for a connection and a rule that you can't request a MaxPacketsBeforeAck smaller than 2. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1978#issuecomment-438410558 ----==_mimepart_5beb2a1a5dfb_24d3fdca18d45c4106929 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@janaiyengar , if we're not going to add a generic UPDA= TE_TRANSPORT_PARAMs frame, then I think it makes more sense to ONLY have = an UPDATE_ACK_RATIO/DELAY/etc frame and not add any new transport params,= since I think what we have now is good enough to complete the handshake?=

I'm favoring adding the ability to update two params:

  1. MaxAckDelay (default 25ms)
  2. MaxPacketsBeforeAck (currently always 2) - aka how many packets can b= e received before sending an acknowledgement.

Even though gQUIC has had success with fraction of RTT, I think it's l= ess robust than specifying an actual amount of time, and specifying an am= ount of time allows for more precise TLP and RTO timeouts, which is very = nice.

I agree there need to be bounds on how small an ack delay a sender can= request and how small a MaxPacketsBeforeAck? I'd prefer a hard failure(= ie: connection close) to a "I'm just not going to do what you ask and not= tell you", so I'd prefer a transport param or other mechanism to communi= cate the MinMaxAckDelay for a connection and a rule that you can't reques= t a MaxPacketsBeforeAck smaller than 2.

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@mikkelfj commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3981,6 +3979,12 @@ A client MUST NOT include an original connection ID, a stateless reset token, or
 a preferred address.  A server MUST treat receipt of any of these transport
 parameters as a connection error of type TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR.
 
+max_connection_ids (0x000e):
+
+: The maximum number of connection IDs that the peer is willing to store.
+  This value includes only connection IDs sent in NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames.
+  If this parameter is absent, a default of 8 is assumed.

The point is that otherwise everyone is going to change it from 8. Using 0 avoids the discussion of who's default is better and is in line with other 0 defaults such as max streams.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3981,6 +3979,12 @@ A client MUST NOT include an original connection ID, a stateless reset token, or
 a preferred address.  A server MUST treat receipt of any of these transport
 parameters as a connection error of type TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR.
 
+max_connection_ids (0x000e):
+
+: The maximum number of connection IDs that the peer is willing to store.
+  This value includes only connection IDs sent in NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames.
+  If this parameter is absent, a default of 8 is assumed.

Agreed, we've consistently gone with 0 being a default whenever possible, even in cases when 0 makes the transport basically useless.

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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

>  
-When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero,
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least 1/8th of the connections, or
+1/8th of the paths when doing migrations. The random choice SHOULD be dependent
+on the address of the peer, so that the spin bit is consistently enables or
+disabled for repeated connections to the same address.
+

But if you include the source address as well, doesn't that mean that most clients would ordinarily spin and a server that gets spin from clients at a near-zero rate remains suspicious?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3981,6 +3979,12 @@ A client MUST NOT include an original connection ID, a stateless reset token, or
 a preferred address.  A server MUST treat receipt of any of these transport
 parameters as a connection error of type TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR.
 
+max_connection_ids (0x000e):
+
+: The maximum number of connection IDs that the peer is willing to store.
+  This value includes only connection IDs sent in NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames.
+  If this parameter is absent, a default of 8 is assumed.

Then that works for me!

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The benefit of a TP is that an algorithm that is dead set on, say a 1/10 ratio does not have to adjust for the initial handshake. Although that probably breaks the handshake. All the more reason for implicit ACK's ...

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One more thought on fraction of CWND vs # of packets and fraction of RTT vs absolute time is that the receiver doesn't know the sender's CWND or the sender's current RTT. Having exact values removes ambiguity.

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If time based, is the unit microseconds? There can be extremeley small RTT's on fast short distance networks.

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@janaiyengar, the protocol isn't in English, it's in bi= nary. The RFC is in English, but that doesn't mean there won't be transl= ations later. (E.g. RFC7540 in Chinese)

This is ultimately useful for the developer of the implementation emit= ting it, so they know what language to expect there. The key requirement= for everyone else is something easy to log and relay back to that develo= per, and I think UTF-8 is our best option there. I'd support MUST UTF-8.=

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@janaiyengar, it was nice for you, because you were reclining on a cushion on the floor.

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----==_mimepart_5beb313b62149_5e413fcfe30d45c4808d8-- From nobody Tue Nov 13 12:36:06 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3189E130E3D for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2018 12:35:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5cYwvhMpwC9I for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2018 12:35:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D244130E70 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2018 12:35:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2018 12:35:53 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542141353; bh=tRel99vesFiYqd5xKNqBVuY3QkZdr+dOcgasZHuIMRA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=P+kVIuCm//BclLrqpbND4WLeYyRpYHnN/zbnKRMAwoFA9MRQzdfztRZ5HeckCxlpq zaTQBHQgdpVBCVGLErQC5mPi9oeSysiI976cp70wu2L5oYHItu6d4vb5x+vVYbItF0 bRfFT7PvnI14t7m/zoTvfPsaC6Bwq1fq5cKLTVM0= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Sender-Controlled Delayed ACK Ratio (#1978) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5beb35a9bbe35_4a693fcfe04d45b41607ef"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2018 20:36:05 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5beb35a9bbe35_4a693fcfe04d45b41607ef Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think it'd be best to make it microseconds, though I'll note that a lot of environments don't have microsecond timer granularity. We could re-use the shift value in transport params if we're concerned about constantly consuming 4 bytes for the value. Or we could agree it's in units of 100s of microseconds as a compromise. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1978#issuecomment-438427090 ----==_mimepart_5beb35a9bbe35_4a693fcfe04d45b41607ef Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Followup for #1992 .

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I say we keep the field. If it prove to be useless, we can always re-purpose it.

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This is meant to almost entirely mitigate #1810 by making sure that the reply to a VN packet ends up at the same server. It reduces the spurious downgrade attack signal to a corner case of a corner case.

It is much more lightweight than alternatives, if we're looking for a minimum-footprint change.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2001

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  • Refine minimum DCID length of Initial

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1318,6 +1318,11 @@ packet is received from the server, the client MUST use the same value unless it
 abandons the connection attempt and starts a new one. The initial Destination
 Connection ID is used to determine packet protection keys for Initial packets.
 
+A client SHOULD select a Destination Connection ID length long enough to fulfill
+the minimum for every QUIC version it supports. This makes it easier to detect
+version downgrade attacks, by increasing the chance Initial packets are routed
+to the same server.

This second sentence worries me. The mechanism we have for detecting version downgrade is robust without consistent routing. The problem here is that it might be too robust and - during a server upgrade - the server might change its mind. Having stable routing ensures that the server can maintain state during the cut-over and avoid connections being killed as a result. Given the complexities involved, I would suggest that we limit this to just the first sentence.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -142,7 +142,7 @@ of frames contained in a packet affect recovery and congestion control logic:
 
 * Packets that contain only ACK frames do not count toward congestion control
   limits and are not considered in-flight. Note that this means PADDING frames
-  cause packets to contribute toward bytes in flight without directly causing an
+  cause packets to contribute toward bytes in-flight without directly causing an
   acknowledgment to be sent.

"in-flight" when used as a compound modifier (in-flight packets, for example) should usually have a hyphen before the noun. Here, it's after the noun, so this wouldn't get one. See here, for example.

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@janaiyengar Just my personal impression of that one pa= rticular discussion. Doesn't matter.

What matters is how we use this frame type field. We can decide that i= t's too late in the process to change the wire format, and just leave it = there. We would need a lot of additional text how to properly use it thou= gh, see my examples in #1989 (comment). I woul= d prefer to actually define a format that makes sense.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3981,6 +3979,12 @@ A client MUST NOT include an original connection ID, a stateless reset token, or
 a preferred address.  A server MUST treat receipt of any of these transport
 parameters as a connection error of type TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR.
 
+max_connection_ids (0x000e):
+
+: The maximum number of connection IDs that the peer is willing to store.
+  This value includes only connection IDs sent in NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames.
+  If this parameter is absent, a default of 8 is assumed.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  An endpoint SHOULD ensure that its peer has a sufficient number of available and
-unused connection IDs.  While each endpoint independently chooses how many
-connection IDs to issue, endpoints SHOULD provide and maintain at least eight
-connection IDs.  The endpoint can do this by always supplying a new connection
-ID when a connection ID is retired by its peer or when the endpoint receives a
-packet with a previously unused connection ID.  Endpoints that initiate
-migration and require non-zero-length connection IDs SHOULD provide their peers
-with new connection IDs before migration, or risk the peer closing the
-connection.
+unused connection IDs. Endpoints store received connection IDs for future use. 
+They advertise the limit how many unretired connection IDs they are willing to

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This is essentially right, but I think that this needs to be primarily per-path, with an allowance for per-connection ID. > -When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero, +The selection process SHOULD be designed such that +on average the spin bit is disabled for at least 1/8th of the connections, or ```suggestion on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network paths. ``` > -When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero, +The selection process SHOULD be designed such that +on average the spin bit is disabled for at least 1/8th of the connections, or +1/8th of the paths when doing migrations. The random choice SHOULD be dependent ```suggestion The random choice SHOULD be dependent ``` > -When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero, +The selection process SHOULD be designed such that +on average the spin bit is disabled for at least 1/8th of the connections, or +1/8th of the paths when doing migrations. The random choice SHOULD be dependent +on the source and destination addresses of the connection, ```suggestion on the source and destination addresses of the path, ``` > -When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero, +The selection process SHOULD be designed such that +on average the spin bit is disabled for at least 1/8th of the connections, or +1/8th of the paths when doing migrations. The random choice SHOULD be dependent +on the source and destination addresses of the connection, +so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or +disabled for repeated connections between the same addresses. ```suggestion disabled for repeated use of the same path. ``` > -When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero, +The selection process SHOULD be designed such that +on average the spin bit is disabled for at least 1/8th of the connections, or +1/8th of the paths when doing migrations. The random choice SHOULD be dependent +on the source and destination addresses of the connection, +so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or +disabled for repeated connections between the same addresses. + +When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to +a constant value randomly chosen to be 0 or 1, ```suggestion a constant value that is randomly chosen to be 0 or 1 for the path, ``` > -When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero, +The selection process SHOULD be designed such that +on average the spin bit is disabled for at least 1/8th of the connections, or +1/8th of the paths when doing migrations. The random choice SHOULD be dependent +on the source and destination addresses of the connection, +so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or +disabled for repeated connections between the same addresses. + +When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to +a constant value randomly chosen to be 0 or 1, regardless of the values received from their peer. Addendums or revisions to ```suggestion regardless of the values received from their peer. Alternatively, endpoints MAY change this value when changing connection ID. Addendums or revisions to ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1982#pullrequestreview-174654553 ----==_mimepart_5beb70216fa45_71273faa6aad45b8396159 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

This is essentially right, but I think that this needs to be primarily= per-path, with an allowance for per-connection ID.

In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

>  =

-When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value t=
o zero,
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least 1/8th of the connection=
s, or
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-on average the spin bit is disabled for at le=
ast 1/8th of the connections, or
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network p=
aths.

In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

>  =

-When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value t=
o zero,
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least 1/8th of the connection=
s, or
+1/8th of the paths when doing migrations. The random choice SHOULD be de=
pendent
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-1/8th of the paths when doing migrations. The=
 random choice SHOULD be dependent
+The random choice SHOULD be dependent

In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

>  =

-When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value t=
o zero,
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least 1/8th of the connection=
s, or
+1/8th of the paths when doing migrations. The random choice SHOULD be de=
pendent
+on the source and destination addresses of the connection,
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-on the source and destination addresses of th=
e connection,
+on the source and destination addresses of the path,

In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

>  =

-When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value t=
o zero,
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least 1/8th of the connection=
s, or
+1/8th of the paths when doing migrations. The random choice SHOULD be de=
pendent
+on the source and destination addresses of the connection,
+so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or
+disabled for repeated connections between the same addresses.
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-disabled for repeated connections between the=
 same addresses.
+disabled for repeated use of the same path.

In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

>  =

-When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value t=
o zero,
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least 1/8th of the connection=
s, or
+1/8th of the paths when doing migrations. The random choice SHOULD be de=
pendent
+on the source and destination addresses of the connection,
+so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or
+disabled for repeated connections between the same addresses.
+
+When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value t=
o
+a constant value randomly chosen to be 0 or 1,
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-a constant value randomly chosen to be 0 or 1=
,
+a constant value that is randomly chosen to be 0 or 1 for the path,

In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

>  =

-When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value t=
o zero,
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
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+on the source and destination addresses of the connection,
+so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or
+disabled for repeated connections between the same addresses.
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+When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value t=
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+a constant value randomly chosen to be 0 or 1,
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The random choice SHOULD be dependent +on the source and destination addresses of the connection, +so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or +disabled for repeated connections between the same addresses. + +When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to +a constant value randomly chosen to be 0 or 1, regardless of the values received from their peer. Addendums or revisions to > disabled for repeated connections between the same addresses. Isn't this the part that is hard to coordinate when multiple processes handle different connections - though you could share a hash key. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1982#discussion_r233280194 ----==_mimepart_5beb72b077839_6ebe3f82672d45b4125534 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

>  
-When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero,
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least 1/8th of the connections, or
+1/8th of the paths when doing migrations. The random choice SHOULD be dependent
+on the source and destination addresses of the connection,
+so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or
+disabled for repeated connections between the same addresses.
+
+When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to
+a constant value randomly chosen to be 0 or 1,
 regardless of the values received from their peer. Addendums or revisions to

disabled for repeated connections between the same addresses.

Isn't this the part that is hard to coordinate when multiple processes handle different connections - though you could share a hash key.

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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

>  
-When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero,
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least 1/8th of the connections, or
+1/8th of the paths when doing migrations. The random choice SHOULD be dependent
+on the source and destination addresses of the connection,
+so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or
+disabled for repeated connections between the same addresses.
+
+When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to
+a constant value randomly chosen to be 0 or 1,
 regardless of the values received from their peer. Addendums or revisions to

Yes, this is why I added the extra clause about connection ID. That should give enough wiggle room for that sort of implementation strategy (which is indistinguishable from having a load balancer).

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@janaiyengar, it was nice for you, because you were reclining on a cushion on the floor.

That's made my day.

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----==_mimepart_5beb8f4aaaab4_6b9f3fc1180d45bc85089-- From nobody Tue Nov 13 19:52:28 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9660128C65 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2018 19:52:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uxK73extvDqD for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2018 19:52:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 314C81277CC for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2018 19:52:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2018 19:52:22 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542167542; bh=XeRbb3fyty5GOMvGCBJFat7bjTWrfwKpj1Zyl35Ykvo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=uWpQk/+/vFULlOBi1NG1nxSlkHOQNDUN/TFDn/xRo3XyzqQa2fLjZRnVgLIM0JD9t u5x2itd1Wx4KGRlX6FfsqnMQ5uiySZ8fJj+wCk8hpUI2N1cRbSTxJ/Kne8Ryg3rgcd gtL3DddNvZ2PMTQjKuU+Sg4LxueV0AZHeqasveoM= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] add whitespace after semicolon in static header table (#1984) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5beb9bf61f4a4_15ac3fb1ff4d45b8266223"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 03:52:25 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5beb9bf61f4a4_15ac3fb1ff4d45b8266223 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @dtikhonov @MikeBishop Thank you for the clarifications. I agree that putting in what is actually being used makes sense. H3 implementations that understand the semantics of `content-type` would ignore OWS, so it should not mind it being either way. QPACK implementations that do not know the semantics of `content-type` would benefit from having the something that is more frequently used on the table. Now knowing that the issue has been raised before, I think that it might be worth clarifying in the draft that the omission of the whitespace is intentional; for example, something like: _Fifty-fourth (54th) entry sticks out by the fact that there is no whitespace after semicolon. This is intentional, based on what we observe frequently on the wire._ -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1984#issuecomment-438528202 ----==_mimepart_5beb9bf61f4a4_15ac3fb1ff4d45b8266223 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@dtikhonov @MikeBishop Thank you for the clarifi= cations.

I agree that putting in what is actually being used makes sense. H3 im= plementations that understand the semantics of content-type = would ignore OWS, so it should not mind it being either way. QPACK implem= entations that do not know the semantics of content-type wou= ld benefit from having the something that is more frequently used on the = table.

Now knowing that the issue has been raised before, I think that it mig= ht be worth clarifying in the draft that the omission of the whitespace i= s intentional; for example, something like: Fifty-fourth (54th) entry= sticks out by the fact that there is no whitespace after semicolon. This= is intentional, based on what we observe frequently on the wire.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1318,6 +1318,11 @@ packet is received from the server, the client MUST use the same value unless it
 abandons the connection attempt and starts a new one. The initial Destination
 Connection ID is used to determine packet protection keys for Initial packets.
 
+A client SHOULD select a Destination Connection ID length long enough to fulfill
+the minimum for every QUIC version it supports. This makes it easier to detect
+version downgrade attacks, by increasing the chance Initial packets are routed
+to the same server.

How about eliminating the first clause, and keeping just the part about routing? A little explanation might be useful here.

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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

>  
-When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero,
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least 1/8th of the connections, or
+1/8th of the paths when doing migrations. The random choice SHOULD be dependent
+on the address of the peer, so that the spin bit is consistently enables or
+disabled for repeated connections to the same address.
+

@huitema this makes sense to me.

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Future apps would eventually learn a ws pattern. By not being consistent this can never happen. Even if short it would be more efficient with stat based match, the total long term cost is probably larger.

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----==_mimepart_5bebdbb816e7b_d943fac834d45bc7628e4-- From nobody Wed Nov 14 00:31:09 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B32128CF3 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 00:31:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UpIOry55PbaU for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 00:31:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 44D19130DCF for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 00:31:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 00:31:05 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542184265; bh=BqwycjDQ8FbHz77A+Y6J7bOrdeVzLWIZ+oq1mvLGSy0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=dkER53/8Lzp6M3vwP0sg0xpe0H8a8DVbkRurACzvMlXzcYAYudK8li8OVLvQlIMEr PlAfeYnv7Zfti+8QrAoW5ohHRFCXK8ty6g5fihYPQ+OiCSoeU+QqquHEOl24kNLTfX AlWLulYDvfUN9uZU8WpFg4I+UsNAzOE9SOE79c2c= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] frame type field of CONNECTION_CLOSE provides little value (#1989) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bebdd493171d_3df63fce9c4d45b81171970"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 08:31:08 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bebdd493171d_3df63fce9c4d45b81171970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Agree with @marten-seemann and @LPardue -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1989#issuecomment-438579288 ----==_mimepart_5bebdd493171d_3df63fce9c4d45b81171970 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Agree with @marten-seemann and @LPardue

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----==_mimepart_5bebdd493171d_3df63fce9c4d45b81171970-- From nobody Wed Nov 14 01:04:15 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0837130DFF for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 01:04:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BNaTKTn2IQGn for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 01:04:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EDE1D12D4EB for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 01:04:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 01:04:10 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542186250; bh=T0blGNwib7N5zL3NTc8uuKw1BSBqNx2af0ISJnMPMTg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=lJiqgLFa6WZrXemnoDIKrg5n8DRXUN6Rp+znVDEa15jGJG8XmIAczYHxkC2tKvcOP z1znnaoJpXJ2aQhcGeg8knKB0xlL7wl2N9ZvQn79PzqTyULqr3PLn2py5ino3FY73/ Bwq3Bf35WXND5YakU+alRSB6zMmg/LNtW0BDwb4Q= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] add whitespace after semicolon in static header table (#1984) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bebe50a6bda5_66433fb4c60d45c01210f8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 09:04:14 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bebe50a6bda5_66433fb4c60d45c01210f8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Future apps would eventually learn a ws pattern. By not being consistent this can never happen. The long-term direction of HTTP WG is to use binary format for representing the structure of each header field (rather than using "structured text" with separators). QPACK is a short- to middle-term solution and IMO adopting what is on the wire seems reasonable. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1984#issuecomment-438588309 ----==_mimepart_5bebe50a6bda5_66433fb4c60d45c01210f8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Future apps would eventually learn a ws pattern. By not being consiste= nt this can never happen.

The long-term direction of HTTP WG is to use binary format for represe= nting the structure of each header field (rather than using "structured t= ext" with separators). QPACK is a short- to middle-term solution and IMO = adopting what is on the wire seems reasonable.

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At the moment, there are two ways to Base Index identical to Largest Reference: use (S, Delta Base Index) = (1, 0) or (0, 0).

Would it be better to add one offset when the sign bit is set, i.e. change

   if sign == 0:
      baseIndex = largestReference + deltaBaseIndex
   else:
      baseIndex = largestReference - deltaBaseIndex

to

   if sign == 0:
      baseIndex = largestReference + deltaBaseIndex
   else:
      baseIndex = largestReference - deltaBaseIndex - 1

?

I ask this because IMO we have an inconsistency; Post Base Index has this type of offset so that a Post Base Index of zero does not become equal to Relative Index of zero.

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@martinthomson approved this pull request.

Yeah, that's better.

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Hmm, diagrams suggest that we already have the latter form. My code might not be interoperable, but it subtracts the extra 1 already.

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While each endpoint independently chooses how many -connection IDs to issue, endpoints SHOULD provide and maintain at least eight -connection IDs. The endpoint can do this by always supplying a new connection -ID when a connection ID is retired by its peer or when the endpoint receives a -packet with a previously unused connection ID. Endpoints that initiate -migration and require non-zero-length connection IDs SHOULD provide their peers -with new connection IDs before migration, or risk the peer closing the -connection. +unused connection IDs. Endpoints store received connection IDs for future use. +They advertise how many unretired connection IDs they are willing to store in +the transport parameters. An endpoint MUST NOT provide more connection IDs than +this limit. An endpoint MUST treat receipt of more than this number of +connection IDs as an error of type CONNECTION_ID_LIMIT_ERROR. If an endpoint has Why is this error necessary? A peer can simply drop the ones that it can't store. > An endpoint SHOULD ensure that its peer has a sufficient number of available and -unused connection IDs. While each endpoint independently chooses how many -connection IDs to issue, endpoints SHOULD provide and maintain at least eight -connection IDs. The endpoint can do this by always supplying a new connection -ID when a connection ID is retired by its peer or when the endpoint receives a -packet with a previously unused connection ID. Endpoints that initiate -migration and require non-zero-length connection IDs SHOULD provide their peers -with new connection IDs before migration, or risk the peer closing the -connection. +unused connection IDs. Endpoints store received connection IDs for future use. +They advertise how many unretired connection IDs they are willing to store in +the transport parameters. An endpoint MUST NOT provide more connection IDs than Suggestion to replace this previous sentence: "An endpoint uses a transport parameter to advertise the maximum number of connection IDs it can store for future use." > An endpoint SHOULD ensure that its peer has a sufficient number of available and -unused connection IDs. While each endpoint independently chooses how many -connection IDs to issue, endpoints SHOULD provide and maintain at least eight -connection IDs. The endpoint can do this by always supplying a new connection -ID when a connection ID is retired by its peer or when the endpoint receives a -packet with a previously unused connection ID. Endpoints that initiate -migration and require non-zero-length connection IDs SHOULD provide their peers -with new connection IDs before migration, or risk the peer closing the -connection. +unused connection IDs. Endpoints store received connection IDs for future use. +They advertise how many unretired connection IDs they are willing to store in +the transport parameters. An endpoint MUST NOT provide more connection IDs than +this limit. An endpoint MUST treat receipt of more than this number of +connection IDs as an error of type CONNECTION_ID_LIMIT_ERROR. If an endpoint has +provided its peer with the maximum number of connection IDs, the earliest time +it can provide a new connection ID is when the peer retires a connection ID. suggestion: "... connection IDs, it can only provide a new connection ID when the peer retires one." > @@ -3981,6 +3979,12 @@ A client MUST NOT include an original connection ID, a stateless reset token, or a preferred address. A server MUST treat receipt of any of these transport parameters as a connection error of type TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR. +max_connection_ids (0x000e): + +: The maximum number of connection IDs that the peer is willing to store. + This value includes only connection IDs sent in NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames. The maximum number of connection IDs that this endpoint can store for future use. These connection IDs are issued by the peer and sent in NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames. > @@ -4958,6 +4962,10 @@ INVALID_MIGRATION (0xC): : A peer has migrated to a different network when the endpoint had disabled migration. +CONNECTION_ID_LIMIT_ERROR (0xd): + +: A peer received more connection IDs than its advertised limit. See my comment above -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  An endpoint SHOULD ensure that its peer has a sufficient number of available and
-unused connection IDs.  While each endpoint independently chooses how many
-connection IDs to issue, endpoints SHOULD provide and maintain at least eight
-connection IDs.  The endpoint can do this by always supplying a new connection
-ID when a connection ID is retired by its peer or when the endpoint receives a
-packet with a previously unused connection ID.  Endpoints that initiate
-migration and require non-zero-length connection IDs SHOULD provide their peers
-with new connection IDs before migration, or risk the peer closing the
-connection.
+unused connection IDs. Endpoints store received connection IDs for future use.
+They advertise how many unretired connection IDs they are willing to store in
+the transport parameters. An endpoint MUST NOT provide more connection IDs than
+this limit. An endpoint MUST treat receipt of more than this number of
+connection IDs as an error of type CONNECTION_ID_LIMIT_ERROR. If an endpoint has

Why is this error necessary? A peer can simply drop the ones that it can't store.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  An endpoint SHOULD ensure that its peer has a sufficient number of available and
-unused connection IDs.  While each endpoint independently chooses how many
-connection IDs to issue, endpoints SHOULD provide and maintain at least eight
-connection IDs.  The endpoint can do this by always supplying a new connection
-ID when a connection ID is retired by its peer or when the endpoint receives a
-packet with a previously unused connection ID.  Endpoints that initiate
-migration and require non-zero-length connection IDs SHOULD provide their peers
-with new connection IDs before migration, or risk the peer closing the
-connection.
+unused connection IDs. Endpoints store received connection IDs for future use.
+They advertise how many unretired connection IDs they are willing to store in
+the transport parameters. An endpoint MUST NOT provide more connection IDs than

Suggestion to replace this previous sentence: "An endpoint uses a transport parameter to advertise the maximum number of connection IDs it can store for future use."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  An endpoint SHOULD ensure that its peer has a sufficient number of available and
-unused connection IDs.  While each endpoint independently chooses how many
-connection IDs to issue, endpoints SHOULD provide and maintain at least eight
-connection IDs.  The endpoint can do this by always supplying a new connection
-ID when a connection ID is retired by its peer or when the endpoint receives a
-packet with a previously unused connection ID.  Endpoints that initiate
-migration and require non-zero-length connection IDs SHOULD provide their peers
-with new connection IDs before migration, or risk the peer closing the
-connection.
+unused connection IDs. Endpoints store received connection IDs for future use.
+They advertise how many unretired connection IDs they are willing to store in
+the transport parameters. An endpoint MUST NOT provide more connection IDs than
+this limit. An endpoint MUST treat receipt of more than this number of
+connection IDs as an error of type CONNECTION_ID_LIMIT_ERROR. If an endpoint has
+provided its peer with the maximum number of connection IDs, the earliest time
+it can provide a new connection ID is when the peer retires a connection ID.

suggestion: "... connection IDs, it can only provide a new connection ID when the peer retires one."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3981,6 +3979,12 @@ A client MUST NOT include an original connection ID, a stateless reset token, or
 a preferred address.  A server MUST treat receipt of any of these transport
 parameters as a connection error of type TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR.
 
+max_connection_ids (0x000e):
+
+: The maximum number of connection IDs that the peer is willing to store.
+  This value includes only connection IDs sent in NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames.

The maximum number of connection IDs that this endpoint can store for future use. These connection IDs are issued by the peer and sent in NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4958,6 +4962,10 @@ INVALID_MIGRATION (0xC):
 : A peer has migrated to a different network when the endpoint had disabled
   migration.
 
+CONNECTION_ID_LIMIT_ERROR (0xd):
+
+: A peer received more connection IDs than its advertised limit.

See my comment above

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Hmm, diagrams suggest that we already have the latter form. My code mi= ght not be interoperable, but it subtracts the extra 1 already.

The ones with the diagram; i.e. Post Base Index that appears in the re= quest and push streams is OK.

However, the Delta Base Index calculated in section 5.4.1 is missing the "subtract the extra 1." That is wh= at I am complaining.

Oh, have I mentioned recently that I hate post-base indexing? Could we= perhaps reconsider its addition and have any single-pass encoder lose an= y opportunity to use insertions it makes after committing to a largest re= ference? Maybe I should open another issue.

I think it might be sensible to open a new issue for the purpose.

Even though I have an implementation that emits post-base indexing (fo= r the time being), I agree that it is an unnecessary complexity at least= in the current form. Because in the current form, even if you emit the h= eaders in single pass, you still need to adjust the Header Data Prefix af= terwards so that Largest Reference will include the correct value. To put= it another way, it is impossible to write a "streaming encoder."

Therefore, my preference goes to either removing post-base indexing, o= r to removing "Largest Reference" to allow true one-pass encoding (i.e. s= treaming encoding). In the latter case, every decoder can / will check if= an unresolvable reference is included in each of the header field rather= than relying on "Largest Reference."

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= ----==_mimepart_5bec13334ab75_6bd33fe7c08d45b812878-- From nobody Wed Nov 14 05:33:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C714E130E4E for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 05:33:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TPOrtaO3qOB2 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 05:33:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 68795130E2B for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 05:33:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 05:33:45 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542202425; bh=vtLhUAmllnnFyPl1tmam68+cDdFzouoQd8Sv/i7T+wg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=K27sDevkDV+1clYwJlLdVHi1fgXV6wzHt9cSm5xjygwnAD46Na5oD6gcKBuwJb9J0 oQlrTsdlICZMHrC0KACnNkl82ht89DJt57QQTl5T2aAOCvW0UnesIdFGNX0EDVmU9C yHwdNsj7PiUQIPVqEdqs4C4L4P4yZjyBIHaQaaaI= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Sender-Controlled Delayed ACK Ratio (#1978) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bec24395110d_721c3fa3b6ad45b41056d6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 13:33:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bec24395110d_721c3fa3b6ad45b41056d6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree with the two parameters, but with different semantics. MaxAckDelay is what a receiver advertises as the max that it will delay a= n acknowledgement by. MaxPacketsBeforeAck is a sender's request of receiver ack frequency. I would even call this NumPacketsBeforeAck since there's no guarantee that this will be the max. On Wed, Nov 14, 2018, 2:30 AM MikkelFJ For high speed lans latency is only a few us if stack can keep up. > > =E2=80=94 > You are receiving this because you were mentioned. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > , > or mute the thread > > . > -- = You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1978#issuecomment-438662995= ----==_mimepart_5bec24395110d_721c3fa3b6ad45b41056d6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree with the two parameters, but with different semantics.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3981,6 +3979,12 @@ A client MUST NOT include an original connection ID, a stateless reset token, or
 a preferred address.  A server MUST treat receipt of any of these transport
 parameters as a connection error of type TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR.
 
+max_connection_ids (0x000e):
+
+: The maximum number of connection IDs that the peer is willing to store.
+  This value includes only connection IDs sent in NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames.

I can store a lot. But I might not be willing to.

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Oh, have I mentioned recently that I hate post-base indexing?

Why do you hate it?

Could we perhaps reconsider its addition and have any single-pass enco= der lose any opportunity to use insertions it makes after committing to a= largest reference? Maybe I should open another issue.

I am against both reconsidering and removing post-base indexing: the f= ormer because we already had this discussion and came to a consensus (how= ever "rough") and the latter is because this would penalize already-extan= t implementations that use this feature profitably.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  An endpoint SHOULD ensure that its peer has a sufficient number of available and
-unused connection IDs.  While each endpoint independently chooses how many
-connection IDs to issue, endpoints SHOULD provide and maintain at least eight
-connection IDs.  The endpoint can do this by always supplying a new connection
-ID when a connection ID is retired by its peer or when the endpoint receives a
-packet with a previously unused connection ID.  Endpoints that initiate
-migration and require non-zero-length connection IDs SHOULD provide their peers
-with new connection IDs before migration, or risk the peer closing the
-connection.
+unused connection IDs. Endpoints store received connection IDs for future use.
+They advertise how many unretired connection IDs they are willing to store in
+the transport parameters. An endpoint MUST NOT provide more connection IDs than
+this limit. An endpoint MUST treat receipt of more than this number of
+connection IDs as an error of type CONNECTION_ID_LIMIT_ERROR. If an endpoint has

I regard this as an equivalent to flow control and stream ID flow control. We have errors there if the peer violates a limit. It feels weird to me to set a limit, but then to silently tolerate a violation of that limit. And it will be a lot easier to develop compliant implementation if we actually enforce the limit.

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But in order to achieve the "ACK about 4 times per RTT" you need to give the sender the ability to change the receiver's MaxAckDelay.

Otherwise, I might be happy with you ACKing 10 packets at once, but I don't want you delaying that ack a full MaxAckDelay.

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At the moment, there are two ways to Base Index identical to Largest R= eference: use (S, Delta Base Index) =3D (1, 0) or (0, 0).

This is not true. The draft states:

A sign bit set to 1 when the Delta Base Index is 0 MUST be treated as = a decoder error.

Oh thank you for pointing that out. I missed that.

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I agree that inconsistency exists.

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One downside to the count based TP is that an endpoint can't set aside= fix size buffer for CID's because it depends on the CID lengths. Especia= lly for constrained devices this could be an issue. A device might handle= have 32 bytes set aside for 4 CIDs up to length 8, but it would only be = able to handle one CID of length 18.

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= ----==_mimepart_5bec2efe9014b_76753fcb31ed45b83481aa-- From nobody Wed Nov 14 06:25:59 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06851130E62 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 06:25:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tSWNZ-O6e6jQ for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 06:25:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C3901276D0 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 06:25:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 06:25:55 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542205555; bh=Hpcd9YKQd29MJPmxNq66WPZWV+3xwLEM5BRQFJu/Cp8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=tAJd1WfaFTw355cNCe+F6pgvLSu2rf2I29dc8CdW8pLMsA/JNFSqaueuzcWPj32+W MwAvtwaWK5kKdi6qtEQ9v3HlDfiWsPrsc/2ZCebCT2fe7JvyT0fx4Fr678QMPzqoWJ baFr1Lc+VglzymNynyRcQJnPGD8dLPR5vPhSTRFM= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Sender-Controlled Delayed ACK Ratio (#1978) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bec30732530e_59983fe398cd45b83508a2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 14:25:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bec30732530e_59983fe398cd45b83508a2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was assuming SuggestedAckDelay would replace MaxAckDelay, but I agree it adds some complexities. Maybe the sender controlling NumPacketsBeforeFastAck(?) is sufficiently good for now. It does avoid complex issues about how small an ack delay the sender can request of the receiver. We keep wanting the ability to update MaxAckDelay. Does it make sense for the frame to include both an updated NumPacketsBeforeFastAck for the receiver to use as well as communicate a new MaxAckDelay? If so, that's feeling more like it should be UPDATE_TRANSPORT_PARAMs, but we can discuss that further. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1978#issuecomment-438679487 ----==_mimepart_5bec30732530e_59983fe398cd45b83508a2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I was assuming SuggestedAckDelay would replace MaxAckDelay, but I agre= e it adds some complexities.

Maybe the sender controlling NumPacketsBeforeFastAck(?) is sufficientl= y good for now. It does avoid complex issues about how small an ack dela= y the sender can request of the receiver.

We keep wanting the ability to update MaxAckDelay. Does it make sense= for the frame to include both an updated NumPacketsBeforeFastAck for the= receiver to use as well as communicate a new MaxAckDelay? If so, that's= feeling more like it should be UPDATE_TRANSPORT_PARAMs, but we can discu= ss that further.

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Belated, but I don't like this change. The original text makes two po= ints:

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can we merge this?

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Fixes #1972.

While the discussion on the issue wasn't conclusive in either direction, I think the presence of CONNECT and early response means servers will need to be processing HTTP messages as they arrive, rather than waiting for the FIN as an end-of-message signal. Also, if the message is large, the alternative risks deadlock on a large POST.

This PR expands on the "stream state change isn't part of the message framing" language to clarify that both peers MUST be able to process complete HTTP messages regardless of whether the stream has been closed or not.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2003

Commit Summary

  • FIN is irrelevant

File Changes

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Maybe I'm not thinking about this the right way, but if a body does not have a content-length, then how is the end of the message determined, if not by the end of the stream?

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Mike's comments on PR #1975

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2004

Commit Summary

  • Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

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I agree with this change. Thanks for catching this.

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That's true, and should have been obvious. Ugh.

Let's take that point back to the issue; this PR might be DOA.

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@RyanAtGoogle points out that Content-Length isn't man= datory, and when absent, end-of-stream is the only way to identify the en= d of the body. So perhaps we need to be having a more granular conversat= ion here: You have to process headers (and discover whether you're expec= ting a body) without waiting for the body to arrive.

If you expect a body and the length is given, read that many bytes. I= f you expect a body of unknown size, then and only then do you use end-of= -stream as a signal.

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Why shouldn't HTTP/3 behave the same way with regard to EOS as HTTP/2 and HTTP/1.x do?

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----==_mimepart_5bec948867e0d_6dfa3ff2f20d45c41341d5-- From nobody Wed Nov 14 13:56:13 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3746F128B14 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 13:56:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cOIwoee0BXSx for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 13:56:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A45B126CB6 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 13:56:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 13:56:08 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542232568; bh=80w9osWPVD/y8NKO4/4zufXpPstT1oi5FnieDu3k2WI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=jGwlsiy1CrTHikKkuqds5LR2QqsRegVUn709FpSn5CxoWSPyrfOdrn1snv1jgVCI+ da6jJKIX1WOhLuKvexXvjYHLHDsTaegDrnoee3wEPRSn9rvFdw1p+OaTjsT3d5fNQ4 9LfT3WhwHhNZItX2O8P8y1jOh4EDw8iBSeBow76c= From: David Schinazi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] http deadlock with stream FIN choices (#1972) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bec99f86b993_169e3f83c40d45bc3036c5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DavidSchinazi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 21:56:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bec99f86b993_169e3f83c40d45bc3036c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @dtikhonov Because this is an opportunity to improve the status quo, like we did for TLS 1.3. Since implementors need to at least look at their EOS handling when transitioning from h2 to h3, now would be a good time to clarify the expected behavior. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1972#issuecomment-438833275 ----==_mimepart_5bec99f86b993_169e3f83c40d45bc3036c5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@dtikhonov Because this is an opportunity to improve the status quo, like we did for TLS 1.3. Since implementors need to at least look at their EOS handling when transitioning from h2 to h3, now would be a good time to clarify the expected behavior.

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While I agree that clarifying what endpoints would do is a good= thing, I am not sure if we need to diverge from the model we have in HTTP/= 2.

At the same time, we have allowed the endpoints to start processing part= s of the message as they arrive (e.g., early response, progressive renderin= g of responses).

I do not see a reason to change the model in HTTP/3, and therefore my pr= eference goes to retaining the same model in order to reduce the difference= s between different HTTP versions as well as maximizing the chance to reuse= extensions.

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Ah, I got confused between http-core issue 22 and this one, apo= logies. I just had an opinion on clarifying that closing one half of a st= ream does not imply closing both sides. I agree that EOS should be the en= d of a message.

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As discussed in #2002, there are two ways to encode Delta Base Index of zero at the wire level; i.e. (sign-bit, delta-base-index)=(0, 0) and (1, 0).

To avoid having multiple ways to represent one value, we prohibit the latter form from being used. A receiver is required to raise an error when it sees the latter.

This is not only an unnecessary complexity but also contradicts from the approach we use for Post-Base Indexes. In case of Post-Base Indexes, we introduce an offset of one so that the Post-Base
Index of zero and a non-Post-Base Index of zero do not overlap.

The commit adopts the approach to Delta Base Index; giving us consistency in the design and also removing an error check at the cost of requiring one subtraction.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2005

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  • Avoid having multiple ways to encode Delta Base Index of zero.

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----==_mimepart_5becb0adba41a_4e6b3f83910d45b8216348-- From nobody Wed Nov 14 16:13:53 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D70812D4E9 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 16:13:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, GB_SUMOF=5, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XXowKzEkYFnh for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 16:13:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 628711294D0 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 16:13:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 16:13:48 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542240828; bh=mlHR4GnFF7PMThXaQVTfebhggjm8pz9ngXa/9WQ7njs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=aMl6ow0a+ThxezA5Ad1lIcwTwi8YwbdQKXHhnCWV0+NgY2SmqHX3o9fL3KV7Ad6f0 AHX/SExVCSOH7ftv8Q2pPqQAGMUrcuWUJ3v1qCMiCT93KL09s9t1uFqhVR1ATs+xIf vP7tDA7PnMuzBy7tgYKVixLoIoxh6TI2gu3iUZBM= From: Ryan Hamilton Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] http deadlock with stream FIN choices (#1972) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5becba3c8cbf_2e793ffb812d45bc29616f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: RyanAtGoogle X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 00:13:51 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5becba3c8cbf_2e793ffb812d45bc29616f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree with @kazuho and @dtikhonov I don't see a good reason to diverge from HTTP/2's model here where end of stream ends the message (and "A request or response is also malformed if the value of a content-length header field does not equal the sum of the DATA frame payload lengths that form the body".) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1972#issuecomment-438866959 ----==_mimepart_5becba3c8cbf_2e793ffb812d45bc29616f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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= ----==_mimepart_5becba3c8cbf_2e793ffb812d45bc29616f-- From nobody Wed Nov 14 16:52:11 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D881130DD0 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 16:52:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f2usrXxGL40P for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 16:52:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F3F9812F295 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 16:52:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 16:52:05 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542243125; bh=1Znn2dBc0ucSynXay57eo6B9+sypYpIW1eLbSJWC+uc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=isKHpaCFjxrqQeZvj17zqFGZOMUfbJxfFfzH35yS6XlO+xGbgpspxLyuLd3w/tAul X6LEH0hEE3f+pf8GPNWvoEFpOEs4HsE2e6hgHVqHdL0BKhBHE47/ORGLTwhk1a1SIU uZMFAnUmFtFu4N06A9LCqzAnmJUspRd+qyoQZW/o= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] http deadlock with stream FIN choices (#1972) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5becc335b0d34_3acd3fb6992d45bc35370"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 00:52:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5becc335b0d34_3acd3fb6992d45bc35370 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In part because in HTTP/2 end-of-stream wasn't a separate thing -- it was a flag on the final header block or DATA frame. You couldn't end a stream elsewhere (though the workaround was a zero-length DATA frame with END_STREAM set). In a more abstract sense, there are HTTP messages which aren't sent atomically -- they develop over time, and have to be handled in a streaming fashion. These might be streamed responses -- or requests, for a POST or a strained protocol adaptation. CONNECT fits into this category, since the "message body" and the "response body" are essentially infinite, and in HTTP/1.1 it was unique in being totally unframed. In HTTP/2, though, pseudo-chunked messages work exactly the same way. To frame it differently, I don't have a problem with saying that EOS is the end of the message; I have a problem with the implication that you can wait for the entire message to arrive before you begin processing it. *That's* the original incompatible bug that started this issue. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1972#issuecomment-438874606 ----==_mimepart_5becc335b0d34_3acd3fb6992d45bc35370 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In part because in HTTP/2 end-of-stream wasn't a separate thing -- it = was a flag on the final header block or DATA frame. You couldn't end a s= tream elsewhere (though the workaround was a zero-length DATA frame with = END_STREAM set).

In a more abstract sense, there are HTTP messages which aren't sent at= omically -- they develop over time, and have to be handled in a streaming= fashion. These might be streamed responses -- or requests, for a POST o= r a strained protocol adaptation. CONNECT fits into this category, since= the "message body" and the "response body" are essentially infinite, and= in HTTP/1.1 it was unique in being totally unframed. In HTTP/2, though,= pseudo-chunked messages work exactly the same way.

To frame it differently, I don't have a problem with saying that EOS i= s the end of the message; I have a problem with the implication that you = can wait for the entire message to arrive before you begin processing it.= That's the original incompatible bug that started this issue.<= /p>

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This looks like a great discussion, but I have a request. Please cons= ider not fixing this issue. This is starting to look very complex, and t= he benefits are not clear.

I realize that this is a long-standing issue, and fixing it in this wa= y seems appealing, but I think that we need to clearly understand the imp= lications of shipping a protocol without this. An extension along the li= nes discussed is possible if that turns out to be a mistake.

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@martinthomson requested changes on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
 A response MAY consist of multiple messages when and only when one or more
 informational responses (1xx, see {{!RFC7231}}, Section 6.2) precede a final
 response to the same request.  Non-final responses do not contain a payload body
 or trailers.
 
 An HTTP request/response exchange fully consumes a bidirectional QUIC stream.
-After sending a request, a client closes the stream for sending; after sending a
-final response, the server closes the stream for sending and the QUIC stream is
-fully closed.  Requests and responses are considered complete when the
-corresponding QUIC stream is closed in the appropriate direction.
+After sending a request, a client SHOULD close the stream for sending; after
+sending a final response, the server SHOULD close the stream for sending. At
+this point, the QUIC stream is fully closed.
+
+Changes to the state of a request stream do not directly affect message
+processing.  Endpoints MUST process complete HTTP messages without relying on
+stream closure as an end-of-message signal.  For example, servers do not abort a

This is wrong. The statement to make is:

The end of a stream (in either direction) indicates the end of a message.
Incomplete messages can be processed, and ideally endpoints do that after receiving a complete header block.

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----==_mimepart_5becc8b533177_13db3fa8f6cd45b8203293-- From nobody Wed Nov 14 17:22:38 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E14C130E4D for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 17:22:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HXa0El1q0pJt for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 17:22:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from m71-131.mailgun.net (m71-131.mailgun.net [166.78.71.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E0C7130E4B for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 17:22:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1542244955; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=2t4e0cO7AY2EvJWvgkDwHAyX9eexWHHhkwIvkJJ7jbc=; b=COz3i7xhEZzjWJeD5FegmsA1/FLYGqzW+23fE/dwGr9EKV3Zj0favUkEvbX62xJ1C/7v9ASC /lruWWdmvybX3RWZnv7VVA10AVQIxXpTeU9XFSyk1mkQUMKDu7mfEO1DzxaJFoXvqApVyjY+ dGT8VD3YLOkqqaVRtqyGRSIbyVQ= X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.71.131 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.36]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 5becc802.7ff2f84ff930-smtp-out-n03; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 01:12:34 -0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 17:12:33 -0800 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5becc801e0b50_3dfe2ad17c07c5889741f@hookshot-fe-cace476.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] c3828d: Refine minimum DCID length of Initial Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5becc801e0758_3dfe2ad17c07c5889733a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 01:22:37 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5becc801e0758_3dfe2ad17c07c5889733a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: c3828d3f165f0380ec60388942515ba5b189bd78 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c3828d3f165f0380ec60388942515ba5b189bd78 Author: martinduke Date: 2018-11-13 (Tue, 13 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Refine minimum DCID length of Initial This is meant to almost entirely mitigate #1810 by making sure that the reply to a VN packet ends up at the same server. It reduces the spurious downgrade attack signal to a corner case of a corner case. It is much more lightweight than alternatives, if we're looking for a minimum-footprint change. Commit: ecd2d27cd6deb13f731646f30570fdc3cb9f1ed9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ecd2d27cd6deb13f731646f30570fdc3cb9f1ed9 Author: martinduke Date: 2018-11-13 (Tue, 13 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Address MT's comment? 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----==_mimepart_5becda89b57d2_12193ff0706d45c016492c-- From nobody Wed Nov 14 18:50:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72629130DDC for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 18:50:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZpFROpqUfENK for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 18:50:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4448012777C for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 18:50:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 18:50:44 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542250244; bh=nA3Uy+JAk1tdPVFNiyfTQxl0Y5dAHbDr0gA/kk5C7b0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=fZenEmTz8rJtbaiZlndbLcBzccuS+K9Gla5VZurU9DsXbeG7YJ8xJvMZNe2+6bidr JK0o5ImAP+JppMCGVKXJbMAPycCrcqqwxHdWNaUAGs8w4HUneo3wMuv0T/b3eDDvtc ngZWFmqhZ8YmH2al9GyJexwwiNt7VFepTRHuLK1I= From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] http deadlock with stream FIN choices (#1972) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5becdf04e9434_311b3fbf9ced45b8464c7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 02:50:51 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5becdf04e9434_311b3fbf9ced45b8464c7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > [...] I have a problem with the implication that you can wait for the entire message to arrive before you begin processing it. _That's_ the original incompatible bug that started this issue. Is it? The first sentence in this thread reads: > During interop, I couldn't interop with winquic because I never FIN my request stream, and winquic doesn't serve the response until the request FINs. Plus, it really depends on the type of the request? For example, if one is to calculate MD5 sum of the request body and return it as response body (something we did during last interop), one must wait for FIN. An echo-type service (another interop example) must process request body immediately (echo it back) and does not have to wait for FIN. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1972#issuecomment-438897761 ----==_mimepart_5becdf04e9434_311b3fbf9ced45b8464c7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

[...] I have a problem with the implication that you can wait for the = entire message to arrive before you begin processing it. That's = the original incompatible bug that started this issue.

Is it? The first sentence in this thread reads:

During interop, I couldn't interop with winquic because I never FIN my= request stream, and winquic doesn't serve the response until the request= FINs.

Plus, it really depends on the type of the request? For example, if on= e is to calculate MD5 sum of the request body and return it as response b= ody (something we did during last interop), one must wait for FIN. An ech= o-type service (another interop example) must process request body immedi= ately (echo it back) and does not have to wait for FIN.

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= ----==_mimepart_5becdf04e9434_311b3fbf9ced45b8464c7-- From nobody Wed Nov 14 19:45:22 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB62E1277D2 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 19:45:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NTbNIH_97FLq for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 19:45:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A64D130E0C for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 19:45:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 19:45:01 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542253501; bh=fiOcrSBkhrT8kSpS+mz0QZsDziURibsVFXTLRJr9VgE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=C8Mqy+U8d2ZERLfPLEg6gz3s2Jz6OwW8pmc+//msjp8mdhOtl0w7oHk6ZTuoJU4oB riEPw8aM5uQe1v6ftDgI8hAmx+jyTORWds7h0mE02VlTzsz/4uwPF3gL8NYX1wAQrr 1aCvLqeWcY8CeCFxZS6DnuWkGY63Ma6espfY324g= From: Ryan Hamilton Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] http deadlock with stream FIN choices (#1972) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5becebbd9a4e7_609d3ff929ed45c4141620"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: RyanAtGoogle X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 03:45:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5becebbd9a4e7_609d3ff929ed45c4141620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 6:50 PM, Dmitri Tikhonov wrote: > [...] I have a problem with the implication that you can wait for the > entire message to arrive before you begin processing it. *That's* the > original incompatible bug that started this issue. > > Is it? The first sentence in this thread reads: > > During interop, I couldn't interop with winquic because I never FIN my > request stream, and winquic doesn't serve the response until the request > FINs. > > From the subsequent discussion the request did not have a content-length, there would be no way for the request to be complete without a FIN and as such, I would argue, a server would be perfectly well behaved to wait until the FIN arrives before it processed the request. Mike, would you agree with this? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1972#issuecomment-438906962 ----==_mimepart_5becebbd9a4e7_609d3ff929ed45c4141620 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 6:50 PM, Dmitri Tikhonov <notifications@github= .com>
wrote:

> [...] I have a problem with the implication that you can wait for th= e
> entire message to arrive before you begin processing it. *That's= * the
> original incompatible bug that started this issue.
>
> Is it? The first sentence in this thread reads:
>
> During interop, I couldn't interop with winquic because I never = FIN my
> request stream, and winquic doesn't serve the response until the= request
> FINs.
>
> From the subsequent discussion the request did not have a content-le= ngth,
there would be no way for the request to be complete without a FIN and as=
such, I would argue, a server would be perfectly well behaved to wait unt= il
the FIN arrives before it processed the request. Mike, would you agree wi= th
this?

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= ----==_mimepart_5becebbd9a4e7_609d3ff929ed45c4141620-- From nobody Wed Nov 14 20:00:59 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A08471277D2 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 20:00:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UrR9baZGx-pA for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 20:00:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 611B212426A for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 20:00:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 20:00:54 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542254454; bh=QTIx1r2gj71rV505aBemkJGmaRK7IB2XamWaXbIOlhI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=lHZg9UN1+kY4u7L+HM0xUd16TB9eh325wfYF0Cabnk4ZAr2Ne5NP0mwumBtACMqxE JalvHXW32O9AIhr5bRddCY/KWgkts59xU7OyBMqiaOdC6IRxm89FLOdS/k/YSZLyrk Sw+HlyiBCD956JKzMuirJbnToUEqzsFQgbRy5uOU= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] encoding of CONNECTION_CLOSE reason phrases (#1990) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5becef76330af_4a643fbae30d45c017851b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 04:00:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5becef76330af_4a643fbae30d45c017851b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (I do think the protocol is in English and Binary. The protocol is not on= ly what's on the wire, it's also what to do with the bits, and that's the RF= C. I'll concede that there can be translations though.) On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 1:40 AM Mike Bishop wrote: > @janaiyengar , the protocol isn't in > English, it's in binary. The RFC is in English, but that doesn't mean t= here > won't be translations later. (E.g. RFC7540 in Chinese > ) > > This is ultimately useful for the developer of the implementation emitt= ing > it, so they know what language to expect there. The key requirement for= > everyone else is something easy to log and relay back to that developer= , > and I think UTF-8 is our best option there. I'd support MUST UTF-8. > > =E2=80=94 > You are receiving this because you were mentioned. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > , > or mute the thread > > . > -- = You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1990#issuecomment-438909280= ----==_mimepart_5becef76330af_4a643fbae30d45c017851b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (I do think the protocol is in English and Binary. The protocol is not on= ly
what's on the wire, it's also what to do with the bits, and that&= #39;s the RFC.
I'll concede that there can be translations though.)

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> @janaiyengar <https://github.com/janaiyengar>, the protocol is= n't in
> English, it's in binary. The RFC is in English, but that doesn&#= 39;t mean there
> won't be translations later. (E.g. RFC7540 in Chinese
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>
> This is ultimately useful for the developer of the implementation em= itting
> it, so they know what language to expect there. The key requirement = for
> everyone else is something easy to log and relay back to that develo= per,
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@marten-seemann : I was being sarcastic :-)
@MikeBishop: Not my fault, nobody else wanted the cushion.

The info is at worst useless in some cases, and given that a CONNECTIO= N_CLOSE is sent at most once per connection, I'm not concerned about the = additional byte. We could perhaps state clearly that it's only useful for= FRAME_ENCODING_ERROR.

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This is a first draft of the changes that we discussed, first in NYC, then confirmed in Bangkok.

I had to recast "packet number protection" as header protection, but I took the opportunity to expand the text and organize it some more. I'm not especially happy with the picture, and could probably drop that, but I think that the changes clarify the process more.

The changes are all exactly as discussed, except that I ended up moving the ODCIL field from the Retry packet, which conveniently fit into four bits that I was struggling to describe what to do with. The low four bits in Retry can't be protected because Retry packets aren't protected. This seemed like a neat way of handling that.

I'm not certain that these are the only changes needed, but I think that this is essentially complete. It's good to get everything nailed down finally.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2006

Commit Summary

  • Rough in first octet changes
  • Add the TLS bits, refine some of the transport bits
  • Reword

File Changes

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I'm fairly sure that it is useful for some cases of PROTOCOL_VIOLATION, at least for narrowing things down.

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@janaiyengar: I'm not concerned about the bandwidth con= sumed by that byte. The reason I'm raising this is because I started impl= ementing this, and found little guidance how to use this field.

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What cases are you thinking about? I can hardly imagine a case where t= his field alone will help you find a problem, unless there's a decent rea= son phrase given (in which case it's the reason phrase that's helpful, no= t the frame byte).

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= ----==_mimepart_5becf4221a2d1_5b113f977d6d45bc406372-- From nobody Wed Nov 14 20:21:33 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7406130DDC for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 20:21:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F_QvcdP8qlPe for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 20:21:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3669E1277D2 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 20:21:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 20:21:29 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542255689; bh=ANFg2uJElkpOyNsGRIvHsFKnNjknVbuXMTYcWKGPKR0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=DbkLQFjb3BM3FlnsGf/gqFPcudFmyJ4prgS4rqjtWRsKuKBAlgfhOL4O43amP9qby rts/vPW/JOdraNrx0EOu+N4x1lebuXjXJ815JmzVmjsqrp49N4q2WdWkI1Kz3Bmk1d paFnuJs2FtWgrcnWO6td4wcD32P+yUiVYQ/XZ/Uc= From: Ryan Hamilton Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] STOP_SENDING in Ready state (#1797) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5becf44946a72_62593feb3b4d45c01179d8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: RyanAtGoogle X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 04:21:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5becf44946a72_62593feb3b4d45c01179d8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On the list, I raised the following question which seems quite related to= this issue:=0D =0D The section on STOP_SENDING says:=0D =0D Receipt of a STOP_SENDING frame is only valid for a send stream that=0D= exists and is not in the "Ready" state (see Section 3.1). Receiving=0D= a STOP_SENDING frame for a send stream that is "Ready" or non-=0D existent MUST be treated as a connection error of type=0D PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.=0D =0D However, I'm not sure I'm clear on what should be done in the face of reo= rdering, but maybe this is obvious. Say an HTTP client sends a request. T= his sends a STREAM frame to the server. This move the stream to the "Send= " state. Then, the user cancels the request. So the client sends a RST_ST= REAM and a STOP_SENDING in order to completely nuke the stream. However, = both the RST_STREAM and STREAM frames are lost/reordered such that the ST= OP_SENDING is the first frame to arrive at the server. As such, the strea= m is non-existent I think, which is prohibited. But maybe I'm not thinkin= g about this the right way?=0D =0D >From @MikeBishop "Ah, I see what you=E2=80=99re saying =E2=80=93 the STR= EAM frame in the C2S direction is what moves the S2C direction from Ready= to Send. If STOP_SENDING can be reordered relative to that frame, this = could cause a valid-when-sent STOP_SENDING frame to arrive while the S2C = direction is still in the Ready state.=0D =0D I think you=E2=80=99re correct; the prohibition on receiving STOP_SENDING= in the Ready state is erroneous. Please file an issue, and thank you!"=0D= =0D -- = You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1797#issuecomment-438912358= ----==_mimepart_5becf44946a72_62593feb3b4d45c01179d8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On the list, I raised the following question which seems quite related= to this issue:

The section on STOP_SENDING says:

Receipt of a STOP_SENDING frame is only valid for a send stream that exists and is not in the "Ready" state (see Section 3.1). Receiving
a STOP_SENDING frame for a send stream that is "Ready" or non-
existent MUST be treated as a connection error of type
PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.

However, I'm not sure I'm clear on what should be done in the face of = reordering, but maybe this is obvious. Say an HTTP client sends a request= . This sends a STREAM frame to the server. This move the stream to the "S= end" state. Then, the user cancels the request. So the client sends a RST= _STREAM and a STOP_SENDING in order to completely nuke the stream. Howeve= r, both the RST_STREAM and STREAM frames are lost/reordered such that the= STOP_SENDING is the first frame to arrive at the server. As such, the st= ream is non-existent I think, which is prohibited. But maybe I'm not thin= king about this the right way?

From @MikeBishop "Ah, I see what you=E2=80=99re saying =E2= =80=93 the STREAM frame in the C2S direction is what moves the S2C direct= ion from Ready to Send. If STOP_SENDING can be reordered relative to tha= t frame, this could cause a valid-when-sent STOP_SENDING frame to arrive = while the S2C direction is still in the Ready state.

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Packets containing a zero value + for this bit are not valid packets in this version. Should we say that those packets are supposed to be dropped? > @@ -3353,8 +3354,8 @@ following sections. The end of the packet is determined by the Length field. The Length field covers both the Packet Number and Payload fields, both of which are confidentiality protected and initially of unknown length. The size of the -Payload field is learned once the packet number protection is removed. The -Length field enables packet coalescing ({{packet-coalesce}}). +Payload field is learned once the header protection is removed. The Length Why is that? The Payload Length is not encrypted, is it? > -Third Bit: +: The next bit (0x40) of byte 0 is set to 1. Packets containing a zero value + for this bit are not valid packets in this version. Same here. > +with the remaining bytes. + +{{pseudo-hp}} shows a sample algorithm for applying header protection. Removing +protection only differs in the order in which the packet number length +(pn_length) is determined. + +~~~ +mask = header_protection(hp_key, sample) + +pn_length = (packet[0] & 0x03) + 1 +if packet[0] & 0x80 == 0x80: + # Long header: 4 bits masked + packet[0] ^= mask[0] & 0x0f +else: + # Short header: 5 bits masked + packet[0] ^= mask[0] & 0x1f This doesn't say anything about peers that are not spinning, in which case it should be 6 bits. > -\[\[Editor's Note: this section should be removed and the bit definitions -changed before this draft goes to the IESG.]] +: The sixth bit (0x20) of byte 0 is the Latency Spin Bit, set as described in + {{!SPIN=I-D.ietf-quic-spin-exp}}. Do we need to say something about peers that are not spinning? > @@ -3677,7 +3666,7 @@ wishes to perform a stateless retry (see {{validate-handshake}}). 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ -|1| 0x7e | +|1|1| 3 |ODCIL(4| It's kind of weird to have the ODCIL length field so far before the ODCIL. On the other hand, it saves a byte, and fills unused bits. > -: The fourth bit (0x10) of byte 0 is set to 1. +: The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x18) of byte 0 are reserved. These + bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of + {{QUIC-TLS}}). The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0. An + endpoint MUST treat receipt of a packet that has a non-zero value for these + bits after removing protection as a connection error of type + PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. This only applies to packets that are successfully encrypted. Should we mention that? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3271,15 +3257,35 @@ Header Form:
 : The most significant bit (0x80) of byte 0 (the first byte) is set to 1 for
   long headers.
 
-Long Packet Type:
+Fixed Bit:
+
+: The next bit (0x40) of byte 0 is set to 1.  Packets containing a zero value
+  for this bit are not valid packets in this version.

Should we say that those packets are supposed to be dropped?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3353,8 +3354,8 @@ following sections.
 The end of the packet is determined by the Length field.  The Length field
 covers both the Packet Number and Payload fields, both of which are
 confidentiality protected and initially of unknown length.  The size of the
-Payload field is learned once the packet number protection is removed.  The
-Length field enables packet coalescing ({{packet-coalesce}}).
+Payload field is learned once the header protection is removed.  The Length

Why is that? The Payload Length is not encrypted, is it?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Third Bit:
+: The next bit (0x40) of byte 0 is set to 1.  Packets containing a zero value
+  for this bit are not valid packets in this version.

Same here.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +with the remaining bytes.
+
+{{pseudo-hp}} shows a sample algorithm for applying header protection. Removing
+protection only differs in the order in which the packet number length
+(pn_length) is determined.
+
+~~~
+mask = header_protection(hp_key, sample)
+
+pn_length = (packet[0] & 0x03) + 1
+if packet[0] & 0x80 == 0x80:
+   # Long header: 4 bits masked
+   packet[0] ^= mask[0] & 0x0f
+else:
+   # Short header: 5 bits masked
+   packet[0] ^= mask[0] & 0x1f

This doesn't say anything about peers that are not spinning, in which case it should be 6 bits.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-\[\[Editor's Note: this section should be removed and the bit definitions
-changed before this draft goes to the IESG.]]
+: The sixth bit (0x20) of byte 0 is the Latency Spin Bit, set as described in
+  {{!SPIN=I-D.ietf-quic-spin-exp}}.

Do we need to say something about peers that are not spinning?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3677,7 +3666,7 @@ wishes to perform a stateless retry (see {{validate-handshake}}).
  0                   1                   2                   3
  0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
-|1|    0x7e     |
+|1|1| 3 |ODCIL(4|

It's kind of weird to have the ODCIL length field so far before the ODCIL. On the other hand, it saves a byte, and fills unused bits.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-: The fourth bit (0x10) of byte 0 is set to 1.
+: The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x18) of byte 0 are reserved.  These
+  bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of
+  {{QUIC-TLS}}).  The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0.  An
+  endpoint MUST treat receipt of a packet that has a non-zero value for these
+  bits after removing protection as a connection error of type
+  PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.

This only applies to packets that are successfully encrypted. Should we mention that?

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IIUC, this PR breaks key updates, doesn't it? Since the Key Phase bit is encrypted, an endpoint won't be able to notice that a key update happened, and try the wrong key for unprotecting the header.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3353,8 +3354,8 @@ following sections.
 The end of the packet is determined by the Length field.  The Length field
 covers both the Packet Number and Payload fields, both of which are
 confidentiality protected and initially of unknown length.  The size of the
-Payload field is learned once the packet number protection is removed.  The
-Length field enables packet coalescing ({{packet-coalesce}}).
+Payload field is learned once the header protection is removed.  The Length

What is not encrypted is the "Length" field that represents the sum of the packet number size and payload size.

The length of the payload is revealed by obtaining the size of the packet number field by removing the header protection.

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I am not sure if that is true, because header protection key remains c= onsistent between Key Updates.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -771,10 +771,9 @@ used for QUIC packet protection is the AEAD that is negotiated for use with the
 TLS connection.  For example, if TLS is using the TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256, the
 AEAD_AES_128_GCM function is used.
 
-QUIC packets are protected prior to applying packet number protection
-({{pn-encrypt}}).  The unprotected packet number is part of the associated data
-(A).  When removing packet protection, an endpoint first removes the protection
-from the packet number.
+Packets are protected prior to applying header protection ({{header-protect}}).

I think that you might want to call the AEAD process "payload protection", rather than referring to it like "packets are protected". IMO doing so would better clarify that we have two encryption: one that encrypts the payload and one that encrypts the header.

I understand that such change puts burden on the editors, so just saying.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3353,8 +3354,8 @@ following sections.
 The end of the packet is determined by the Length field.  The Length field
 covers both the Packet Number and Payload fields, both of which are
 confidentiality protected and initially of unknown length.  The size of the
-Payload field is learned once the packet number protection is removed.  The
-Length field enables packet coalescing ({{packet-coalesce}}).
+Payload field is learned once the header protection is removed.  The Length

Thanks for the explanation. Apparently I completely misunderstand this sentence, and the source of the confusion is that the payload is call "Payload field".

Suggested change:
"The length of the payload is learned once the header protection is removed."

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----==_mimepart_5bed2196baa4c_74643fb27bcd45c058564d-- From nobody Thu Nov 15 00:40:56 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2638F128766 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 00:40:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E0wxgNdLD-TI for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 00:40:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C421126BED for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 00:40:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 00:40:51 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542271251; bh=DtpKnvvcTMk6yc0EZllWD00ks18/EPNpvn0P7U3+ICg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=YtPntvPW2tQqbhrLa+TMZtGqliWst2aW4pOgAjg1mMeY2g4WI1jS5rM/5d9xYXcjf vodq2J1XqPZj4iTgqbF9BdLFEYpxBnskWLk3AfBpCQywydcBuj/cyCwn+zJ78LbqB+ S9lNXIpW8464HOn6yKn0MxwtSBdVtLH2SDut412M= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] First octet changes (#2006) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bed31135335b_76e93f8b96ad45c474679"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 08:40:54 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bed31135335b_76e93f8b96ad45c474679 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kazuho commented on this pull request. > +with the remaining bytes. + +{{pseudo-hp}} shows a sample algorithm for applying header protection. Removing +protection only differs in the order in which the packet number length +(pn_length) is determined. + +~~~ +mask = header_protection(hp_key, sample) + +pn_length = (packet[0] & 0x03) + 1 +if packet[0] & 0x80 == 0x80: + # Long header: 4 bits masked + packet[0] ^= mask[0] & 0x0f +else: + # Short header: 5 bits masked + packet[0] ^= mask[0] & 0x1f My understanding is that we cannot change which bits are protected based on the use (or non-use) is spin bits, because the use is not negotiated. Having the bit always outside the header protection also gives the non-participating endpoints greater freedom to play with the bits (e.g. always set to zero). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2006#discussion_r233751674 ----==_mimepart_5bed31135335b_76e93f8b96ad45c474679 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@kazuho commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +with the remaining bytes.
+
+{{pseudo-hp}} shows a sample algorithm for applying header protection. Removing
+protection only differs in the order in which the packet number length
+(pn_length) is determined.
+
+~~~
+mask = header_protection(hp_key, sample)
+
+pn_length = (packet[0] & 0x03) + 1
+if packet[0] & 0x80 == 0x80:
+   # Long header: 4 bits masked
+   packet[0] ^= mask[0] & 0x0f
+else:
+   # Short header: 5 bits masked
+   packet[0] ^= mask[0] & 0x1f

My understanding is that we cannot change which bits are protected based on the use (or non-use) is spin bits, because the use is not negotiated.

Having the bit always outside the header protection also gives the non-participating endpoints greater freedom to play with the bits (e.g. always set to zero).

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I share the view that the design is consistent with what we have discussed in New York. Thank you Martin for making this happen.

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Going into AckDelay suggestions adds complexity, so I agree that we sh= ould not get into it. The NumPacketsBeforeAck parameter however is a fair= ly straightforward mechanism, and is arguably trivial to implement at a r= eceiver. This is a part of recovery and congestion control that could hav= e used some airtime earlier, but we've punted on it. Fortunately, I don't= think it'll be onerous.

As @bbriscoe noted, this allows us to bring the QUIC receiv= er up to speed with what Linux TCP receivers do, but in a cleaner manner.= I had thought that we might address these things within the recovery dra= ft, but doing it with this dynamic mechanism is better.

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For example, if TLS is using the TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256, the AEAD_AES_128_GCM function is used. -QUIC packets are protected prior to applying packet number protection -({{pn-encrypt}}). The unprotected packet number is part of the associated data -(A). When removing packet protection, an endpoint first removes the protection -from the packet number. +Packets are protected prior to applying header protection ({{header-protect}}). +1. I think this clarity will help. > -To ensure that this process does not sample the packet number, packet number -protection algorithms MUST NOT sample more ciphertext than the minimum expansion -of the corresponding AEAD. - -Packet number protection is applied to the packet number encoded as described in -Section 17.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. Since the length of the packet number is -stored in the first byte of the encoded packet number, it may be necessary to -progressively decrypt the packet number. - -Before a TLS ciphersuite can be used with QUIC, a packet protection algorithm -MUST be specifed for the AEAD used with that ciphersuite. This document defines -algorithms for AEAD_AES_128_GCM, AEAD_AES_128_CCM, AEAD_AES_256_GCM, -AEAD_AES_256_CCM (all AES AEADs are defined in {{!AEAD=RFC5116}}), and -AEAD_CHACHA20_POLY1305 ({{!CHACHA=RFC8439}}). +To ensure that this process does not sample the packet number, header protection +algorithms MUST NOT require sample that is longer than the minimum expansion of ```suggestion algorithms MUST NOT require a sample size larger than the minimum expansion of ``` > @@ -3050,6 +3050,7 @@ IP addresses has fallen below 1280 bytes, it MUST immediately cease sending QUIC packets on the affected path. This could result in termination of the connection if an alternative path cannot be found. + ```suggestion ``` > -number of bits required to represent the packet number is first reduced by -including only a variable number of the least significant bits of the packet -number. One or two of the most significant bits of the first byte are then used -to represent how many bits of the packet number are provided, as shown in -{{pn-encodings}}. - -| First byte pattern | Encoded Length | Bits Present | -|:-------------------|:---------------|:-------------| -| 0b0xxxxxxx | 1 byte | 7 | -| 0b10xxxxxx | 2 | 14 | -| 0b11xxxxxx | 4 | 30 | -{: #pn-encodings title="Packet Number Encodings for Packet Headers"} - -Note that these encodings are similar to those in {{integer-encoding}}, but -use different values. +Packet numbers in long and short packet headers are encoded on 1 to 4 octets. ```suggestion Packet numbers in long and short packet headers are encoded in 1 to 4 octets. ``` > -including only a variable number of the least significant bits of the packet -number. One or two of the most significant bits of the first byte are then used -to represent how many bits of the packet number are provided, as shown in -{{pn-encodings}}. - -| First byte pattern | Encoded Length | Bits Present | -|:-------------------|:---------------|:-------------| -| 0b0xxxxxxx | 1 byte | 7 | -| 0b10xxxxxx | 2 | 14 | -| 0b11xxxxxx | 4 | 30 | -{: #pn-encodings title="Packet Number Encodings for Packet Headers"} - -Note that these encodings are similar to those in {{integer-encoding}}, but -use different values. +Packet numbers in long and short packet headers are encoded on 1 to 4 octets. +The number of bits required to represent the packet number reduced by including ```suggestion The number of bits required to represent the packet number is reduced by including ``` > @@ -3210,27 +3196,27 @@ arrives after many higher-numbered packets have been received. An endpoint SHOULD use a large enough packet number encoding to allow the packet number to be recovered even if the packet arrives after packets that are sent afterwards. -As a result, the size of the packet number encoding is at least one more than -the base 2 logarithm of the number of contiguous unacknowledged packet numbers, -including the new packet. +As a result, the size of the packet number encoding is at least one bit more +than the base 2 logarithm of the number of contiguous unacknowledged packet ```suggestion than the base-2 logarithm of the number of contiguous unacknowledged packet ``` > @@ -3271,15 +3257,35 @@ Header Form: : The most significant bit (0x80) of byte 0 (the first byte) is set to 1 for long headers. -Long Packet Type: +Fixed Bit: + +: The next bit (0x40) of byte 0 is set to 1. Packets containing a zero value + for this bit are not valid packets in this version. For consistency, I would say that receipt of zero here should be treated as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. > -Third Bit: +: The next bit (0x40) of byte 0 is set to 1. Packets containing a zero value + for this bit are not valid packets in this version. ... same error here. > -\[\[Editor's Note: this section should be removed and the bit definitions -changed before this draft goes to the IESG.]] +: The sixth bit (0x20) of byte 0 is the Latency Spin Bit, set as described in + {{!SPIN=I-D.ietf-quic-spin-exp}}. I think we should leave that to the other doc. > -: The fourth bit (0x10) of byte 0 is set to 1. +: The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x18) of byte 0 are reserved. These + bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of + {{QUIC-TLS}}). The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0. An + endpoint MUST treat receipt of a packet that has a non-zero value for these + bits after removing protection as a connection error of type + PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. @marten-seemann : did you mean "after successfully removing header protection"? I don't think you need to wait to remove packet / payload protection before doing this. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2006#pullrequestreview-175293530 ----==_mimepart_5bed59f8af2e1_72b23fd4a8ad45b439448d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -771,10 +771,9 @@ used for QUIC packet =
protection is the AEAD that is negotiated for use with the
 TLS connection.  For example, if TLS is using the TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256=
, the
 AEAD_AES_128_GCM function is used.
 =

-QUIC packets are protected prior to applying packet number protection
-({{pn-encrypt}}).  The unprotected packet number is part of the associat=
ed data
-(A).  When removing packet protection, an endpoint first removes the pro=
tection
-from the packet number.
+Packets are protected prior to applying header protection ({{header-prot=
ect}}).

+1. I think this clarity will help.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> -To ensure that this process does not samp=
le the packet number, packet number
-protection algorithms MUST NOT sample more ciphertext than the minimum e=
xpansion
-of the corresponding AEAD.
-
-Packet number protection is applied to the packet number encoded as desc=
ribed in
-Section 17.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. Since the length of the packet numbe=
r is
-stored in the first byte of the encoded packet number, it may be necessa=
ry to
-progressively decrypt the packet number.
-
-Before a TLS ciphersuite can be used with QUIC, a packet protection algo=
rithm
-MUST be specifed for the AEAD used with that ciphersuite.  This document=
 defines
-algorithms for AEAD_AES_128_GCM, AEAD_AES_128_CCM, AEAD_AES_256_GCM,
-AEAD_AES_256_CCM (all AES AEADs are defined in {{!AEAD=3DRFC5116}}), and=

-AEAD_CHACHA20_POLY1305 ({{!CHACHA=3DRFC8439}}).
+To ensure that this process does not sample the packet number, header pr=
otection
+algorithms MUST NOT require sample that is longer than the minimum expan=
sion of
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-algorithms MUST NOT require sample that is lo=
nger than the minimum expansion of
+algorithms MUST NOT require a sample size larger than the minimum expans=
ion of

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3050,6 +3050,7 @@ IP addresses has fal=
len below 1280 bytes, it MUST immediately cease sending QUIC
 packets on the affected path.  This could result in termination of the
 connection if an alternative path cannot be found.
 =

+
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -number of bits required to represent the =
packet number is first reduced by
-including only a variable number of the least significant bits of the pa=
cket
-number.  One or two of the most significant bits of the first byte are t=
hen used
-to represent how many bits of the packet number are provided, as shown i=
n
-{{pn-encodings}}.
-
-| First byte pattern | Encoded Length | Bits Present |
-|:-------------------|:---------------|:-------------|
-| 0b0xxxxxxx         | 1 byte         | 7            |
-| 0b10xxxxxx         | 2              | 14           |
-| 0b11xxxxxx         | 4              | 30           |
-{: #pn-encodings title=3D"Packet Number Encodings for Packet Header=
s"}
-
-Note that these encodings are similar to those in {{integer-encoding}}, =
but
-use different values.
+Packet numbers in long and short packet headers are encoded on 1 to 4 oc=
tets.
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-Packet numbers in long and short packet heade=
rs are encoded on 1 to 4 octets.
+Packet numbers in long and short packet headers are encoded in 1 to 4 oc=
tets.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -including only a variable number of the l=
east significant bits of the packet
-number.  One or two of the most significant bits of the first byte are t=
hen used
-to represent how many bits of the packet number are provided, as shown i=
n
-{{pn-encodings}}.
-
-| First byte pattern | Encoded Length | Bits Present |
-|:-------------------|:---------------|:-------------|
-| 0b0xxxxxxx         | 1 byte         | 7            |
-| 0b10xxxxxx         | 2              | 14           |
-| 0b11xxxxxx         | 4              | 30           |
-{: #pn-encodings title=3D"Packet Number Encodings for Packet Header=
s"}
-
-Note that these encodings are similar to those in {{integer-encoding}}, =
but
-use different values.
+Packet numbers in long and short packet headers are encoded on 1 to 4 oc=
tets.
+The number of bits required to represent the packet number reduced by in=
cluding
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-The number of bits required to represent the =
packet number reduced by including
+The number of bits required to represent the packet number is reduced by=
 including

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3210,27 +3196,27 @@ arrives after many=
 higher-numbered packets have been received.  An endpoint
 SHOULD use a large enough packet number encoding to allow the packet num=
ber to
 be recovered even if the packet arrives after packets that are sent afte=
rwards.
 =

-As a result, the size of the packet number encoding is at least one more=
 than
-the base 2 logarithm of the number of contiguous unacknowledged packet n=
umbers,
-including the new packet.
+As a result, the size of the packet number encoding is at least one bit =
more
+than the base 2 logarithm of the number of contiguous unacknowledged pac=
ket
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-than the base 2 logarithm of the number of co=
ntiguous unacknowledged packet
+than the base-2 logarithm of the number of contiguous unacknowledged pac=
ket

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3271,15 +3257,35 @@ Header Form:
 : The most significant bit (0x80) of byte 0 (the first byte) is set to 1=
 for
   long headers.
 =

-Long Packet Type:
+Fixed Bit:
+
+: The next bit (0x40) of byte 0 is set to 1.  Packets containing a zero =
value
+  for this bit are not valid packets in this version.

For consistency, I would say that receipt of zero here should be treat= ed as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

-Third Bit:
+: The next bit (0x40) of byte 0 is set to 1.  Packets containing a zero =
value
+  for this bit are not valid packets in this version.

... same error here.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

-\[\[Editor's Note: this section should be removed and the bit defini=
tions
-changed before this draft goes to the IESG.]]
+: The sixth bit (0x20) of byte 0 is the Latency Spin Bit, set as describ=
ed in
+  {{!SPIN=3DI-D.ietf-quic-spin-exp}}.

I think we should leave that to the other doc.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

-: The fourth bit (0x10) of byte 0 is set to 1.
+: The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x18) of byte 0 are reserved. =
 These
+  bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of
+  {{QUIC-TLS}}).  The value included prior to protection MUST be set to =
0.  An
+  endpoint MUST treat receipt of a packet that has a non-zero value for =
these
+  bits after removing protection as a connection error of type
+  PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.

@marten-seemann : did you mean "after successfully re= moving header protection"? I don't think you need to wait to remove packe= t / payload protection before doing this.

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The algorithm used depends on the negotiated AEAD. + +The output of this algorithm is 5 bytes of mask which are applied to the +protected using exclusive OR. The least significant bits of the first byte of ```suggestion protected header fields using exclusive OR. The least significant bits of the first byte of ``` > -For example, the sampled ciphertext for a packet with a short header can be -determined by: + +### Header Protection Application + +Header protection is applied after packet protection is applied (see {{aead}}). +The ciphertext of the packet is sampled and used as input to an encryption +algorithm. The algorithm used depends on the negotiated AEAD. + +The output of this algorithm is 5 bytes of mask which are applied to the ```suggestion The output of this algorithm is a 5 byte mask which is applied to the ``` > -For example, the sampled ciphertext for a packet with a short header can be -determined by: + +### Header Protection Application + +Header protection is applied after packet protection is applied (see {{aead}}). +The ciphertext of the packet is sampled and used as input to an encryption +algorithm. The algorithm used depends on the negotiated AEAD. + +The output of this algorithm is 5 bytes of mask which are applied to the +protected using exclusive OR. The least significant bits of the first byte of +the packet are masked by the first mask byte, and the packet number is masked +with the remaining bytes. + +{{pseudo-hp}} shows a sample algorithm for applying header protection. Removing +protection only differs in the order in which the packet number length ```suggestion header protection only differs in the order in which the packet number length ``` > +The output of this algorithm is 5 bytes of mask which are applied to the +protected using exclusive OR. The least significant bits of the first byte of +the packet are masked by the first mask byte, and the packet number is masked +with the remaining bytes. + +{{pseudo-hp}} shows a sample algorithm for applying header protection. Removing +protection only differs in the order in which the packet number length +(pn_length) is determined. + +~~~ +mask = header_protection(hp_key, sample) + +pn_length = (packet[0] & 0x03) + 1 +if packet[0] & 0x80 == 0x80: + # Long header: 4 bits masked + packet[0] ^= mask[0] & 0x0f ```suggestion packet[0] ^= (mask[0] & 0x0f) ``` > +with the remaining bytes. + +{{pseudo-hp}} shows a sample algorithm for applying header protection. Removing +protection only differs in the order in which the packet number length +(pn_length) is determined. + +~~~ +mask = header_protection(hp_key, sample) + +pn_length = (packet[0] & 0x03) + 1 +if packet[0] & 0x80 == 0x80: + # Long header: 4 bits masked + packet[0] ^= mask[0] & 0x0f +else: + # Short header: 5 bits masked + packet[0] ^= mask[0] & 0x1f ```suggestion packet[0] ^= (mask[0] & 0x1f) ``` (in line with other places where extra parentheses are added to remove all ambiguity) > +with the remaining bytes. + +{{pseudo-hp}} shows a sample algorithm for applying header protection. Removing +protection only differs in the order in which the packet number length +(pn_length) is determined. + +~~~ +mask = header_protection(hp_key, sample) + +pn_length = (packet[0] & 0x03) + 1 +if packet[0] & 0x80 == 0x80: + # Long header: 4 bits masked + packet[0] ^= mask[0] & 0x0f +else: + # Short header: 5 bits masked + packet[0] ^= mask[0] & 0x1f ```suggestion packet[0] ^= (mask[0] & 0x1f) ``` > +protection only differs in the order in which the packet number length +(pn_length) is determined. + +~~~ +mask = header_protection(hp_key, sample) + +pn_length = (packet[0] & 0x03) + 1 +if packet[0] & 0x80 == 0x80: + # Long header: 4 bits masked + packet[0] ^= mask[0] & 0x0f +else: + # Short header: 5 bits masked + packet[0] ^= mask[0] & 0x1f + +# pn_offset is the start of the Packet Number field. +packet[pn_offset:pn_offset+pn_length] ^= mask[1:1+pn_length] ```suggestion packet[pn_offset:pn_offset+pn_length] ^= (mask[1:1+pn_length]) ``` I'm not sure the range notation is clearly understood - some consider the end inclusive, others exclusive. 0-based is also not clear, but at least that is clear from context in this case. > +AEAD_AES_256_CCM (all AES AEADs are defined in {{!AEAD=RFC5116}}), and +AEAD_CHACHA20_POLY1305 {{!CHACHA=RFC8439}}. + + +### Header Protection Sample {#hp-sample} + +The header protection algorithm uses both the header protection key and a sample +of the ciphertext from the packet Payload field. + +The same number of bytes are always sampled, but an allowance needs to be made +for the endpoint removing protection, which will not know the length of the +Packet Number field. In sampling the packet ciphertext, the Packet Number field +is assumed to be 4 bytes long (its maximum possible encoded length), unless +there is insufficient space in the packet for a complete sample. The starting +offset for the sample is set to 4 bytes after the start of the Packet Number +field, then is reduced until there are enough bytes to sample. It's not clear if "enough to sample" means there should always be 5 bytes - since earlier text says this - or just enough to cover the obviously shorter packer number thereby reducing the mask length. > ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| [Protected Payload (8/16/24)] ... ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| Sampled part of Protected Payload (128) ... ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| Protected Payload Remainder (*) ... ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +~~~ +{: #fig-sample title="Header Protection and Ciphertext Sample"} + +Before a TLS ciphersuite can be used with QUIC, a header protection algorithm +MUST be specified for the AEAD used with that ciphersuite. This document +defines algorithms for AEAD_AES_128_GCM, AEAD_AES_128_CCM, AEAD_AES_256_GCM, +AEAD_AES_256_CCM (all AES AEADs are defined in {{!AEAD=RFC5116}}), and +AEAD_CHACHA20_POLY1305 {{!CHACHA=RFC8439}}. + Perhaps clarify where the algorithm is chosen - it is fixed AEAD_AES_128_GCM in initial packets and TLS selected later on. > -protection algorithms MUST NOT sample more ciphertext than the minimum expansion -of the corresponding AEAD. - -Packet number protection is applied to the packet number encoded as described in -Section 17.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. Since the length of the packet number is -stored in the first byte of the encoded packet number, it may be necessary to -progressively decrypt the packet number. - -Before a TLS ciphersuite can be used with QUIC, a packet protection algorithm -MUST be specifed for the AEAD used with that ciphersuite. This document defines -algorithms for AEAD_AES_128_GCM, AEAD_AES_128_CCM, AEAD_AES_256_GCM, -AEAD_AES_256_CCM (all AES AEADs are defined in {{!AEAD=RFC5116}}), and -AEAD_CHACHA20_POLY1305 ({{!CHACHA=RFC8439}}). +To ensure that this process does not sample the packet number, header protection +algorithms MUST NOT require sample that is longer than the minimum expansion of +the corresponding AEAD. Again, it was earlier statet that the mask has length 5, but here is seems to depend on PN length. > -To ensure that this process does not sample the packet number, packet number -protection algorithms MUST NOT sample more ciphertext than the minimum expansion -of the corresponding AEAD. - -Packet number protection is applied to the packet number encoded as described in -Section 17.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. Since the length of the packet number is -stored in the first byte of the encoded packet number, it may be necessary to -progressively decrypt the packet number. - -Before a TLS ciphersuite can be used with QUIC, a packet protection algorithm -MUST be specifed for the AEAD used with that ciphersuite. This document defines -algorithms for AEAD_AES_128_GCM, AEAD_AES_128_CCM, AEAD_AES_256_GCM, -AEAD_AES_256_CCM (all AES AEADs are defined in {{!AEAD=RFC5116}}), and -AEAD_CHACHA20_POLY1305 ({{!CHACHA=RFC8439}}). +To ensure that this process does not sample the packet number, header protection +algorithms MUST NOT require sample that is longer than the minimum expansion of ```suggestion algorithms MUST NOT require a sample that is longer than the minimum expansion of ``` > ~~~ This construction is secure against chosen plaintext attacks (IND-CPA) {{IMC}}. Use of the same key and ciphertext sample more than once risks compromising -packet number protection. Protecting two different packet numbers with the same -key and ciphertext sample reveals the exclusive OR of those packet numbers. -Assuming that the AEAD acts as a PRF, if L bits are sampled, the odds of two -ciphertext samples being identical approach 2^(-L/2), that is, the birthday -bound. For the algorithms described in this document, that probability is one in -2^64. +header protection. Protecting two different headers with the same key and +ciphertext sample reveals the exclusive OR of the protected fields. Assuming +that the AEAD acts as a PRF, if L bits are sampled, the odds of two ciphertext +samples being identical approach 2^(-L/2), that is, the birthday bound. For the +algorithms described in this document, that probability is one in 2^64. Is this probality still true for PN's shorter than 4 bytes? Or even at all given that the mask is at most only 36 or 37 bits effectively? > @@ -3271,15 +3257,35 @@ Header Form: : The most significant bit (0x80) of byte 0 (the first byte) is set to 1 for long headers. -Long Packet Type: +Fixed Bit: + +: The next bit (0x40) of byte 0 is set to 1. Packets containing a zero value + for this bit are not valid packets in this version. @marten-seemann I believe there a general section on dropping invalid handshake packets. But the following paragraphs says to raise a protocol violation - which only makes sense if the packet is authenticated. Either way, I think this paragraph needs to be consistent with the other fields. > -: The fourth bit (0x10) of byte 0 is set to 1. +: The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x18) of byte 0 are reserved. These + bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of + {{QUIC-TLS}}). The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0. An + endpoint MUST treat receipt of a packet that has a non-zero value for these + bits after removing protection as a connection error of type + PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. @marten-seemann You mean decrypted/authenticated? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2006#pullrequestreview-175287095 ----==_mimepart_5bed5a49193f2_48733fb1260d45b42976b7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@mikkelfj commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  =

-For example, the sampled ciphertext for a packet with a short header can=
 be
-determined by:
+
+### Header Protection Application
+
+Header protection is applied after packet protection is applied (see {{a=
ead}}).
+The ciphertext of the packet is sampled and used as input to an encrypti=
on
+algorithm.  The algorithm used depends on the negotiated AEAD.
+
+The output of this algorithm is 5 bytes of mask which are applied to the=

+protected using exclusive OR.  The least significant bits of the first b=
yte of
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-protected using exclusive OR.  The least sign=
ificant bits of the first byte of
+protected header fields using exclusive OR.  The least significant bits =
of the first byte of

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  =

-For example, the sampled ciphertext for a packet with a short header can=
 be
-determined by:
+
+### Header Protection Application
+
+Header protection is applied after packet protection is applied (see {{a=
ead}}).
+The ciphertext of the packet is sampled and used as input to an encrypti=
on
+algorithm.  The algorithm used depends on the negotiated AEAD.
+
+The output of this algorithm is 5 bytes of mask which are applied to the=
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-The output of this algorithm is 5 bytes of ma=
sk which are applied to the
+The output of this algorithm is a 5 byte mask which is applied to the

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> -For example, the sampled ciphertext for a=
 packet with a short header can be
-determined by:
+
+### Header Protection Application
+
+Header protection is applied after packet protection is applied (see {{a=
ead}}).
+The ciphertext of the packet is sampled and used as input to an encrypti=
on
+algorithm.  The algorithm used depends on the negotiated AEAD.
+
+The output of this algorithm is 5 bytes of mask which are applied to the=

+protected using exclusive OR.  The least significant bits of the first b=
yte of
+the packet are masked by the first mask byte, and the packet number is m=
asked
+with the remaining bytes.
+
+{{pseudo-hp}} shows a sample algorithm for applying header protection. R=
emoving
+protection only differs in the order in which the packet number length
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-protection only differs in the order in which=
 the packet number length
+header protection only differs in the order in which the packet number l=
ength

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +The output of this algorithm is 5 bytes o=
f mask which are applied to the
+protected using exclusive OR.  The least significant bits of the first b=
yte of
+the packet are masked by the first mask byte, and the packet number is m=
asked
+with the remaining bytes.
+
+{{pseudo-hp}} shows a sample algorithm for applying header protection. R=
emoving
+protection only differs in the order in which the packet number length
+(pn_length) is determined.
+
+~~~
+mask =3D header_protection(hp_key, sample)
+
+pn_length =3D (packet[0] & 0x03) + 1
+if packet[0] & 0x80 =3D=3D 0x80:
+   # Long header: 4 bits masked
+   packet[0] ^=3D mask[0] & 0x0f
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-   packet[0] ^=3D mask[0] & 0x0f
+   packet[0] ^=3D (mask[0] & 0x0f)

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +with the remaining bytes.
+
+{{pseudo-hp}} shows a sample algorithm for applying header protection. R=
emoving
+protection only differs in the order in which the packet number length
+(pn_length) is determined.
+
+~~~
+mask =3D header_protection(hp_key, sample)
+
+pn_length =3D (packet[0] & 0x03) + 1
+if packet[0] & 0x80 =3D=3D 0x80:
+   # Long header: 4 bits masked
+   packet[0] ^=3D mask[0] & 0x0f
+else:
+   # Short header: 5 bits masked
+   packet[0] ^=3D mask[0] & 0x1f
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-   packet[0] ^=3D mask[0] & 0x1f
+   packet[0] ^=3D (mask[0] & 0x1f)

(in line with other places where extra parentheses are added to remove= all ambiguity)

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +with the remaining bytes.
+
+{{pseudo-hp}} shows a sample algorithm for applying header protection. R=
emoving
+protection only differs in the order in which the packet number length
+(pn_length) is determined.
+
+~~~
+mask =3D header_protection(hp_key, sample)
+
+pn_length =3D (packet[0] & 0x03) + 1
+if packet[0] & 0x80 =3D=3D 0x80:
+   # Long header: 4 bits masked
+   packet[0] ^=3D mask[0] & 0x0f
+else:
+   # Short header: 5 bits masked
+   packet[0] ^=3D mask[0] & 0x1f
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-   packet[0] ^=3D mask[0] & 0x1f
+   packet[0] ^=3D (mask[0] & 0x1f)

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +protection only differs in the order in w=
hich the packet number length
+(pn_length) is determined.
+
+~~~
+mask =3D header_protection(hp_key, sample)
+
+pn_length =3D (packet[0] & 0x03) + 1
+if packet[0] & 0x80 =3D=3D 0x80:
+   # Long header: 4 bits masked
+   packet[0] ^=3D mask[0] & 0x0f
+else:
+   # Short header: 5 bits masked
+   packet[0] ^=3D mask[0] & 0x1f
+
+# pn_offset is the start of the Packet Number field.
+packet[pn_offset:pn_offset+pn_length] ^=3D mask[1:1+pn_length]
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-packet[pn_offset:pn_offset+pn_length] ^=3D ma=
sk[1:1+pn_length]
+packet[pn_offset:pn_offset+pn_length] ^=3D (mask[1:1+pn_length])

I'm not sure the range notation is clearly understood - some consider = the end inclusive, others exclusive. 0-based is also not clear, but at le= ast that is clear from context in this case.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +AEAD_AES_256_CCM (all AES AEADs are defin=
ed in {{!AEAD=3DRFC5116}}), and
+AEAD_CHACHA20_POLY1305 {{!CHACHA=3DRFC8439}}.
+
+
+### Header Protection Sample {#hp-sample}
+
+The header protection algorithm uses both the header protection key and =
a sample
+of the ciphertext from the packet Payload field.
+
+The same number of bytes are always sampled, but an allowance needs to b=
e made
+for the endpoint removing protection, which will not know the length of =
the
+Packet Number field.  In sampling the packet ciphertext, the Packet Numb=
er field
+is assumed to be 4 bytes long (its maximum possible encoded length), unl=
ess
+there is insufficient space in the packet for a complete sample.  The st=
arting
+offset for the sample is set to 4 bytes after the start of the Packet Nu=
mber
+field, then is reduced until there are enough bytes to sample.

It's not clear if "enough to sample" means there should always be 5 by= tes - since earlier text says this - or just enough to cover the obviousl= y shorter packer number thereby reducing the mask length.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|   [Protected Payload (8/16/24)]             ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|             Sampled part of Protected Payload (128)         ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                 Protected Payload Remainder (*)             ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+~~~
+{: #fig-sample title=3D"Header Protection and Ciphertext Sample&quo=
t;}
+
+Before a TLS ciphersuite can be used with QUIC, a header protection algo=
rithm
+MUST be specified for the AEAD used with that ciphersuite.  This documen=
t
+defines algorithms for AEAD_AES_128_GCM, AEAD_AES_128_CCM, AEAD_AES_256_=
GCM,
+AEAD_AES_256_CCM (all AES AEADs are defined in {{!AEAD=3DRFC5116}}), and=

+AEAD_CHACHA20_POLY1305 {{!CHACHA=3DRFC8439}}.
+

Perhaps clarify where the algorithm is chosen - it is fixed AEAD_AES_1= 28_GCM in initial packets and TLS selected later on.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> -protection algorithms MUST NOT sample mor=
e ciphertext than the minimum expansion
-of the corresponding AEAD.
-
-Packet number protection is applied to the packet number encoded as desc=
ribed in
-Section 17.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. Since the length of the packet numbe=
r is
-stored in the first byte of the encoded packet number, it may be necessa=
ry to
-progressively decrypt the packet number.
-
-Before a TLS ciphersuite can be used with QUIC, a packet protection algo=
rithm
-MUST be specifed for the AEAD used with that ciphersuite.  This document=
 defines
-algorithms for AEAD_AES_128_GCM, AEAD_AES_128_CCM, AEAD_AES_256_GCM,
-AEAD_AES_256_CCM (all AES AEADs are defined in {{!AEAD=3DRFC5116}}), and=

-AEAD_CHACHA20_POLY1305 ({{!CHACHA=3DRFC8439}}).
+To ensure that this process does not sample the packet number, header pr=
otection
+algorithms MUST NOT require sample that is longer than the minimum expan=
sion of
+the corresponding AEAD.
 =

Again, it was earlier statet that the mask has length 5, but here is s= eems to depend on PN length.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> -To ensure that this process does not samp=
le the packet number, packet number
-protection algorithms MUST NOT sample more ciphertext than the minimum e=
xpansion
-of the corresponding AEAD.
-
-Packet number protection is applied to the packet number encoded as desc=
ribed in
-Section 17.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. Since the length of the packet numbe=
r is
-stored in the first byte of the encoded packet number, it may be necessa=
ry to
-progressively decrypt the packet number.
-
-Before a TLS ciphersuite can be used with QUIC, a packet protection algo=
rithm
-MUST be specifed for the AEAD used with that ciphersuite.  This document=
 defines
-algorithms for AEAD_AES_128_GCM, AEAD_AES_128_CCM, AEAD_AES_256_GCM,
-AEAD_AES_256_CCM (all AES AEADs are defined in {{!AEAD=3DRFC5116}}), and=

-AEAD_CHACHA20_POLY1305 ({{!CHACHA=3DRFC8439}}).
+To ensure that this process does not sample the packet number, header pr=
otection
+algorithms MUST NOT require sample that is longer than the minimum expan=
sion of
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-algorithms MUST NOT require sample that is lo=
nger than the minimum expansion of
+algorithms MUST NOT require a sample that is longer than the minimum exp=
ansion of

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  ~~~
 =

 This construction is secure against chosen plaintext attacks (IND-CPA) {=
{IMC}}.
 =

 Use of the same key and ciphertext sample more than once risks compromis=
ing
-packet number protection. Protecting two different packet numbers with t=
he same
-key and ciphertext sample reveals the exclusive OR of those packet numbe=
rs.
-Assuming that the AEAD acts as a PRF, if L bits are sampled, the odds of=
 two
-ciphertext samples being identical approach 2^(-L/2), that is, the birth=
day
-bound. For the algorithms described in this document, that probability i=
s one in
-2^64.
+header protection. Protecting two different headers with the same key an=
d
+ciphertext sample reveals the exclusive OR of the protected fields.  Ass=
uming
+that the AEAD acts as a PRF, if L bits are sampled, the odds of two ciph=
ertext
+samples being identical approach 2^(-L/2), that is, the birthday bound. =
For the
+algorithms described in this document, that probability is one in 2^64.
 =

Is this probality still true for PN's shorter than 4 bytes? Or even at= all given that the mask is at most only 36 or 37 bits effectively?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3271,15 +3257,35 @@ Header Form:
 : The most significant bit (0x80) of byte 0 (the first byte) is set to 1=
 for
   long headers.
 =

-Long Packet Type:
+Fixed Bit:
+
+: The next bit (0x40) of byte 0 is set to 1.  Packets containing a zero =
value
+  for this bit are not valid packets in this version.

@marten-seemann I believe there a general section on = dropping invalid handshake packets. But the following paragraphs says to = raise a protocol violation - which only makes sense if the packet is auth= enticated. Either way, I think this paragraph needs to be consistent with= the other fields.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

-: The fourth bit (0x10) of byte 0 is set to 1.
+: The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x18) of byte 0 are reserved. =
 These
+  bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of
+  {{QUIC-TLS}}).  The value included prior to protection MUST be set to =
0.  An
+  endpoint MUST treat receipt of a packet that has a non-zero value for =
these
+  bits after removing protection as a connection error of type
+  PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.

@marten-seemann You mean decrypted/authenticated?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3271,15 +3257,35 @@ Header Form:
 : The most significant bit (0x80) of byte 0 (the first byte) is set to 1 for
   long headers.
 
-Long Packet Type:
+Fixed Bit:
+
+: The next bit (0x40) of byte 0 is set to 1.  Packets containing a zero value
+  for this bit are not valid packets in this version.

@janaiyengar: I was thinking of a fast-path processing here: I can check this bit without decrypting the packet, so if I receive a packet with 0x40 == 0, I know it's some UDP garbage, and I can drop it on the floor immediately.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +with the remaining bytes.
+
+{{pseudo-hp}} shows a sample algorithm for applying header protection. Removing
+protection only differs in the order in which the packet number length
+(pn_length) is determined.
+
+~~~
+mask = header_protection(hp_key, sample)
+
+pn_length = (packet[0] & 0x03) + 1
+if packet[0] & 0x80 == 0x80:
+   # Long header: 4 bits masked
+   packet[0] ^= mask[0] & 0x0f
+else:
+   # Short header: 5 bits masked
+   packet[0] ^= mask[0] & 0x1f

Why can't we? If I decide to not spin (in general, or just for this connection / CID), I can apply header protection to that bit as well. This would provide optimal greasing.

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There is some overlap between Jana's and my comments as they were submitted at the same time.

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----==_mimepart_5bed5b6a9932c_4c183fa019ed45c47417df-- From nobody Thu Nov 15 03:43:33 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6673F126DBF for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 03:43:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jOLXqFjgESCq for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 03:43:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED90C126CC7 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 03:43:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 03:43:30 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542282210; bh=Y1CtRvEsa9rFraLFSKSSD3fKg2n04YqlrdEP+8Gc5Rw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=jPuaSxWQzHb/B+QCKiBoZUaRjr9D9xrlOd7jhxvgnrSVLMbias/fiErHehRAFgLVL lqbq/cFAF9jvr2PGYq7moZOkBA00wt8NAh+6eKN+oYB6i68B+CuHASPeU4sHtllBRl jdrViKN+QCBgikNuqaYVLtJjvxF+XfiqJ8jZU6xI= From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] First octet changes (#2006) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bed5be238ba8_35f73fd423cd45c44166ea"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 11:43:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bed5be238ba8_35f73fd423cd45c44166ea Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit marten-seemann commented on this pull request. > -: The fourth bit (0x10) of byte 0 is set to 1. +: The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x18) of byte 0 are reserved. These + bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of + {{QUIC-TLS}}). The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0. An + endpoint MUST treat receipt of a packet that has a non-zero value for these + bits after removing protection as a connection error of type + PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. Sorry for the confusion. I meant "removing packet protection" (not header protection). The reason is that header protection is not authenticated, so an attacker can send a packet, and we'll happily remove header protection (and receive some garbage values). Only when we try to remove packet protection will we discover that this packet was not sent by the peer. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2006#discussion_r233810654 ----==_mimepart_5bed5be238ba8_35f73fd423cd45c44166ea Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-: The fourth bit (0x10) of byte 0 is set to 1.
+: The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x18) of byte 0 are reserved.  These
+  bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of
+  {{QUIC-TLS}}).  The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0.  An
+  endpoint MUST treat receipt of a packet that has a non-zero value for these
+  bits after removing protection as a connection error of type
+  PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.

Sorry for the confusion. I meant "removing packet protection" (not header protection). The reason is that header protection is not authenticated, so an attacker can send a packet, and we'll happily remove header protection (and receive some garbage values). Only when we try to remove packet protection will we discover that this packet was not sent by the peer.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  ~~~
 
 This construction is secure against chosen plaintext attacks (IND-CPA) {{IMC}}.
 
 Use of the same key and ciphertext sample more than once risks compromising
-packet number protection. Protecting two different packet numbers with the same
-key and ciphertext sample reveals the exclusive OR of those packet numbers.
-Assuming that the AEAD acts as a PRF, if L bits are sampled, the odds of two
-ciphertext samples being identical approach 2^(-L/2), that is, the birthday
-bound. For the algorithms described in this document, that probability is one in
-2^64.
+header protection. Protecting two different headers with the same key and
+ciphertext sample reveals the exclusive OR of the protected fields.  Assuming
+that the AEAD acts as a PRF, if L bits are sampled, the odds of two ciphertext
+samples being identical approach 2^(-L/2), that is, the birthday bound. For the
+algorithms described in this document, that probability is one in 2^64.

I forget that the sample is a block size input to a encryption step.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> -protection algorithms MUST NOT sample more ciphertext than the minimum expansion
-of the corresponding AEAD.
-
-Packet number protection is applied to the packet number encoded as described in
-Section 17.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. Since the length of the packet number is
-stored in the first byte of the encoded packet number, it may be necessary to
-progressively decrypt the packet number.
-
-Before a TLS ciphersuite can be used with QUIC, a packet protection algorithm
-MUST be specifed for the AEAD used with that ciphersuite.  This document defines
-algorithms for AEAD_AES_128_GCM, AEAD_AES_128_CCM, AEAD_AES_256_GCM,
-AEAD_AES_256_CCM (all AES AEADs are defined in {{!AEAD=RFC5116}}), and
-AEAD_CHACHA20_POLY1305 ({{!CHACHA=RFC8439}}).
+To ensure that this process does not sample the packet number, header protection
+algorithms MUST NOT require sample that is longer than the minimum expansion of
+the corresponding AEAD.

I think I'm mixing up the block size input to the encryption with the extracted mask output. The input is always fixed size but depends on AEAD.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1318,9 +1318,10 @@ packet is received =
from the server, the client MUST use the same value unless it
 abandons the connection attempt and starts a new one. The initial Destin=
ation
 Connection ID is used to determine packet protection keys for Initial pa=
ckets.
 =

-A client SHOULD select a Destination Connection ID length long enough to=
 fulfill
-the minimum for every QUIC version it supports. This increases the chanc=
e
-subsequent Initial packets are routed to the same server.
+The final version used for a connection might be different from the vers=
ion of
+the first Initial from the client.  To enable consistent routing through=
 the
+handshake, a client SHOULD select a Destination Connection ID length lon=
g enough
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Also note the related problem:

If a stream is opened, lower valued streams are also opened. It is not possible to send STOP_SENDING to those lower valued streams because they are in ready state and have not received any data yet. It would cause a protocol violation.

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@martinthomson I think this issue needs to be reopened based on the above comments.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3271,15 +3257,35 @@ Header Form:
 : The most significant bit (0x80) of byte 0 (the first byte) is set to 1 for
   long headers.
 
-Long Packet Type:
+Fixed Bit:
+
+: The next bit (0x40) of byte 0 is set to 1.  Packets containing a zero value
+  for this bit are not valid packets in this version.

Yeah we have two choices:

  • drop the apparently broken packet without even decrypting it
  • decrypt and verify the AEAD tag of the apparently broken packet, then close the connection with PROTOCOL_VIOLATION

I tend to agree what @marten-seemann that we do not need to decrypt in this case. Let's handle it the same way as handling a packet with a broken AEAD tag.

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----==_mimepart_5bed7b788311a_44383faad22d45bc57672b-- From nobody Thu Nov 15 06:00:10 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D5D0129385 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 06:00:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a3ULnd8u9nkD for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 06:00:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0BFCF128CFD for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 06:00:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 06:00:01 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542290401; bh=pjJReKWmHkod8dXLJqk8Vdn640bphFghbgAMGMU+nvA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=SSFcUX0jpiJXbdQrKpE10+gEGbi4ajSg8yA7l8wuPskHrg/AT9BZfY5ZLI0FQo1ad pyKiLkHh4G5K67ZXknotFNCrKGwhCNLDIgHB+zYsyFNwWbNSxL/mBpKhp3+R5MUWzP HZrrIvAIGJ1KOfqhDPb6RiDQanK7Yo2SkoQHq3uU= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] First octet changes (#2006) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bed7be1d58a_7b323ff5374d45c4830711"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 14:00:08 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bed7be1d58a_7b323ff5374d45c4830711 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kazuho commented on this pull request. > +with the remaining bytes. + +{{pseudo-hp}} shows a sample algorithm for applying header protection. Removing +protection only differs in the order in which the packet number length +(pn_length) is determined. + +~~~ +mask = header_protection(hp_key, sample) + +pn_length = (packet[0] & 0x03) + 1 +if packet[0] & 0x80 == 0x80: + # Long header: 4 bits masked + packet[0] ^= mask[0] & 0x0f +else: + # Short header: 5 bits masked + packet[0] ^= mask[0] & 0x1f To reconstruct the AAD that was used, the receiver needs to know if you have applied header protection to the spin bit. However, if you are using spin bit is never signaled to the peer. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2006#discussion_r233850937 ----==_mimepart_5bed7be1d58a_7b323ff5374d45c4830711 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@kazuho commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +with the remaining bytes.
+
+{{pseudo-hp}} shows a sample algorithm for applying header protection. Removing
+protection only differs in the order in which the packet number length
+(pn_length) is determined.
+
+~~~
+mask = header_protection(hp_key, sample)
+
+pn_length = (packet[0] & 0x03) + 1
+if packet[0] & 0x80 == 0x80:
+   # Long header: 4 bits masked
+   packet[0] ^= mask[0] & 0x0f
+else:
+   # Short header: 5 bits masked
+   packet[0] ^= mask[0] & 0x1f

To reconstruct the AAD that was used, the receiver needs to know if you have applied header protection to the spin bit. However, if you are using spin bit is never signaled to the peer.

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@mikkelfj commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +with the remaining bytes.
+
+{{pseudo-hp}} shows a sample algorithm for applying header protection. Removing
+protection only differs in the order in which the packet number length
+(pn_length) is determined.
+
+~~~
+mask = header_protection(hp_key, sample)
+
+pn_length = (packet[0] & 0x03) + 1
+if packet[0] & 0x80 == 0x80:
+   # Long header: 4 bits masked
+   packet[0] ^= mask[0] & 0x0f
+else:
+   # Short header: 5 bits masked
+   packet[0] ^= mask[0] & 0x1f

Unused spins are currently required to be a constant value randomly chosen to be 0 or 1. Not sure why, but encrypting it would violate that.

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I think the following issue exists in the pseudo code:

For a new ACK block, OnAckReceived() first calls OnPacketAcked(), where OnPacketAckedCC() reduces bytes_in_flight by the sizes of whichwever packets were ACKed.

Then,OnAckReceived() calls DetectLostPackets(), which reduces bytes_in_flight for every packet that it determines to be lost. That can cause bytes_in_flight to become zero.

Next, SetLossDetectionTimer() is called. The first thing that does is to cancel the loss_detection_timer when bytes_in_flight is zero.

So when and how are the packets that were declared lost retransmitted?

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Should receipt of SETTINGS_NUM_PLACEHOLDERS by the server trigger an error?

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Now that the RFC editor has added TLS to their abbreviations list there is no need to spell out TLS. But, I left the abbreviation in the abstract just in case somebody out there who was just reading the abstract doesn't know what TLS is.

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  • Use TLS abbreviation

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +with the remaining bytes.
+
+{{pseudo-hp}} shows a sample algorithm for applying header protection. Removing
+protection only differs in the order in which the packet number length
+(pn_length) is determined.
+
+~~~
+mask = header_protection(hp_key, sample)
+
+pn_length = (packet[0] & 0x03) + 1
+if packet[0] & 0x80 == 0x80:
+   # Long header: 4 bits masked
+   packet[0] ^= mask[0] & 0x0f
+else:
+   # Short header: 5 bits masked
+   packet[0] ^= mask[0] & 0x1f

One reason to choose a fixed value per connection is it makes it easier to detect which connections are not spinning. Another reason is it's easy to leak information in that bit, so it's safer to just set a fixed value.

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Reopened #1797.

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STOP_SENDING on a stream that's already closed is a no-op, so they can be ignored. @mikkelfj, would it satisfy your concerns if STOP_SENDING on a stream above the MAX_STREAM_ID were an error?

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----==_mimepart_5bedb89a49ed9_5693fc0efcd45c06992f-- From nobody Thu Nov 15 10:27:05 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87721127598 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 10:27:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.471 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.471 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4-uUoPPdlPIG for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 10:27:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B63D71294D7 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 10:27:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=pfoJFKl6DmOtgMt/LBJOfexG5Ik=; b=IMyEUiErqakxkoH3 rBepVBps62jkpaUzv6Acp/Kty7qFG7QM87NMEk8jXlOAG94pmfOj9TOCip83E9B2 myuCXSW4yYBzx4IDlUbWPdtm9XqzyGqBklrtjclBd3sllcPl1zMaSAxKl/3RroxW VR2HKQ7vlM+1obWEvYlF8c+s7C4= Received: by filter0164p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0164p1iad2-32623-5BEDBA74-A 2018-11-15 18:27:00.187477399 +0000 UTC m=+757331.234787108 Received: from github-lowworker-e55e3e3.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.41]) by ismtpd0030p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id -jj30yfDReyMGbjL-G8f8A for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 18:27:00.208 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-e55e3e3.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CC07180C67 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 10:27:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 18:27:00 +0000 (UTC) From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] STOP_SENDING in Ready state (#1797) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bedba741b13b_60a63fbe40ad45c4130473"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1ofwUr9A5okgrReik+aQ1ibFau6YZFWOCebu 8b+m8UqZ8d3H6Rm+T2PvIBL9tSBag7nsmG5s/uYgFkGpQ0j0v1g2PmKTt/rcsBCuzqkSk8WktiWFZy UpcTmKifoj/dEbTFzaSM5PbfdpIrjcu9fVZzZtu7Xfu6We5U1VT1AkrAQw== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 18:27:03 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bedba741b13b_60a63fbe40ad45c4130473 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @MikeBishop No I don't think it is quite right, although also not catastrophic since impact is bounded. I think the general idea is that the non-initiator cannot respond before seeing physical evidence of a stream. To honor that principle, STOP_SENDING should only be sent for streams with an ID at below a stream that has left Ready state. I can't really wrap my head fully around this atm. because there are different kinds of streams. If you allowed up to MAX_STREAM_ID you could open a stream that the initiator is not prepared for yet. Which is why sending STOP_SENDING is a violation in the first place. Perhaps the solution is to have a stream state earlier than Ready which is not pemitted to receive anything unprovoked, or perhaps Ready is that state, but then its semantics should be slightly redefined? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1797#issuecomment-439142065 ----==_mimepart_5bedba741b13b_60a63fbe40ad45c4130473 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@MikeBishop No I don't think it is quite right, although also not= catastrophic since impact is bounded.

I think the general idea is that the non-initiator cannot respond before= seeing physical evidence of a stream. To honor that principle, STOP_SENDIN= G should only be sent for streams with an ID at below a stream that has lef= t Ready state. I can't really wrap my head fully around this atm. because t= here are different kinds of streams.

If you allowed up to MAX_STREAM_ID you could open a stream that the init= iator is not prepared for yet. Which is why sending STOP_SENDING is a viola= tion in the first place.

Perhaps the solution is to have a stream state earlier than Ready which = is not pemitted to receive anything unprovoked, or perhaps Ready is that st= ate, but then its semantics should be slightly redefined?

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The specific race condition that @RyanAtGoogle raised is a STO= P_SENDING on a bidirectional stream by the initiator of that strea= m. I think a constraint on non-initiators is probably reasonable -- there'= s some risk that the initiator will have "leaked" knowledge of that stream = in a different context, but I would expect that will typically reflect that= the initiator has moved beyond the Ready state.

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= ----==_mimepart_5bedbb9e20220_73b83fcbfead45bc727277-- From nobody Thu Nov 15 10:37:49 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 047A11294D7 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 10:37:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mxrimImxgZ8G for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 10:37:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 42AA2127598 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 10:37:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 10:37:45 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542307065; bh=jfnwrpu0SPFa8LGysVek7xzYZiGKMPZ12Aj5/fWW0uY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=SEBaQc5cy1BP+5IWqr+vBNsa1MgP8f4anLK9y6lmWH9sQbKQCxXBviBoLd2y/AX1j jh9aENsqu0L6Uix4/S1UylTp6n7cLllQh9kX9f9r9Kab9hdYXjRRP1ztgcfRFTAu7S iwpaexxsM5MF3FpTt11ysDc1dEw90GAzepvY2YM4= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] STOP_SENDING in Ready state (#1797) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bedbcf975aca_37003f9cbd6d45b8273226"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 18:37:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bedbcf975aca_37003f9cbd6d45b8273226 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The difficulty is that, in this specific race condition, STOP_SENDING is the first frame received from the initiator. Perhaps the right solution is that there's a different start state for peer-initiated streams than for locally-initiated streams? Locally-initiated streams begin as "Not Allocated" and become "Ready" when the peer locally decides to allocate them; receiving any frame is an error. Peer-initiated streams become "Ready" upon receipt of any frame in either direction. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1797#issuecomment-439145320 ----==_mimepart_5bedbcf975aca_37003f9cbd6d45b8273226 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The difficulty is that, in this specific race condition, STOP_SENDING = is the first frame received from the initiator. Perhaps the right soluti= on is that there's a different start state for peer-initiated streams tha= n for locally-initiated streams? Locally-initiated streams begin as "Not= Allocated" and become "Ready" when the peer locally decides to allocate = them; receiving any frame is an error. Peer-initiated streams become "Re= ady" upon receipt of any frame in either direction.

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I think it should be permissable to receive STOP_SENDING on a Ready stre= am because a stream is only ready if a higher stream has been created and s= tarted sending (I think). When the receiver sees that transmission it would= know that earlier streams are potentially able to transmit (and addition t= o being ready to send). If the initiator does not want to waste state on tr= acking STOP_SENDING, it should not transmit on a higher ID first.

Alternatively, we should just accept this limitation - that you can't st= op a transmission before seeing evidence of it being active. All the implic= it open logic is about being able to transmit while STOP_SENDING affects th= e peers send state - which is unfortunate. It's really bordering cause/effe= ct in particle physics (not entirely coincidental).

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= ----==_mimepart_5bedbe342b94f_48723fe36c6d45b837529-- From nobody Thu Nov 15 10:46:01 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCCC7130DE5 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 10:45:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ip-UZ_9F7g8L for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 10:45:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from o5.sgmail.github.com (o5.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D4824127598 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 10:45:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=G5AXB4Gus8UORePy7j8EbEswSSM=; b=IrFTx8Tz3HOLUmdV rbbKYylqkd6isyHGXIt56xG+C6VaZ6SLu3zp27mFjSZDUItOQwu6a5gGgStQp7gb 0RUCj6oP5z2DsI8xoIzxwLzo1Nbl3+olxjLdoQRHCGkcY6/NpsYJfUU8rzBw+Se0 b60XVOXQTjzeRm2C68UVAlZTUwg= Received: by filter0983p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0983p1las1-1169-5BEDBEE4-1A 2018-11-15 18:45:56.902943634 +0000 UTC m=+697095.503335558 Received: from github-lowworker-3c598a3.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.43]) by ismtpd0015p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id F99QJ7umSMCSm1mi2Fpd9Q for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 18:45:56.787 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-3c598a3.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAF9FA8050F for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 10:45:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 18:45:57 +0000 (UTC) From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] STOP_SENDING in Ready state (#1797) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bedbee4b78b0_4533fad630d45bc36998"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0u21jSIE8gbJz9TmOoppKa6kOX8iWkA4rF6g IfOlp8mvvdgDBnHKnFj0/U+ibmyYEwW0cwZ+xaQ9CKAFsM1+urfECE9oZV0xdroXx0GYO5VUox7RAo C+1EPe9IbUmEsIS5qUW1DFcGmHG8OYGTQya22lAOpsgpXGmk3AkoXB96NscL6aJkP1N9bgOZ8b56H2 s= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 18:46:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bedbee4b78b0_4533fad630d45bc36998 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit btw: not arguing against your proposal on "Not Allocated" I think it is already there somewhat implicit. That might be the way to go - the bigger question is - what is the desired behavior in the first place. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1797#issuecomment-439147949 ----==_mimepart_5bedbee4b78b0_4533fad630d45bc36998 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

btw: not arguing against your proposal on "Not Allocated" I think it is already there somewhat implicit. That might be the way to go - the bigger question is - what is the desired behavior in the first place.

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----==_mimepart_5bedbee4b78b0_4533fad630d45bc36998-- From nobody Thu Nov 15 10:49:16 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2348127598 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 10:49:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OcG4djG301-7 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 10:49:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5ED77127332 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 10:49:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 10:49:13 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542307753; bh=k+D3ODmiOb/bNkVrjGmFDcc3vMWD5a78TrvXmI7xq+Q=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ufyG7LlVqwUT/5t2FVrsXHFtOzjihYTQngaBEjrS7LjF2CglgBDJ2Nct/XgTkNYH0 BCw2UogQNbkKkv6bKzeIR9tg4FIdll6vtaPP+tlUyKiNMUGVyUiUj0vdH1dRTUkosF kSC9pPQ/IvXL1GENyANd+bQX5zNmyKRsLj1OHuBg= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] STOP_SENDING in Ready state (#1797) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bedbfa938fca_37503fa08aed45bc33783"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 18:49:16 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bedbfa938fca_37503fa08aed45bc33783 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would say the overall desired behavior is that the initiator of a stream must be the first one to send frames on it, but that any frame it chooses to send should be considered valid, regardless of reordering. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1797#issuecomment-439148988 ----==_mimepart_5bedbfa938fca_37503fa08aed45bc33783 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I would say the overall desired behavior is that the initiator of a stream must be the first one to send frames on it, but that any frame it chooses to send should be considered valid, regardless of reordering.

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The other way to frame it is that a peer-initiated stream moves out of Ready on receipt of any frame, and the prohibition on STOP_SENDING gets scoped to locally-initiated streams.

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----==_mimepart_5bedbff24fdd2_184f3fd64c6d45b81003c9-- From nobody Thu Nov 15 11:21:56 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE577128D09 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 11:21:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9FCvuCz81-rs for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 11:21:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D64C4127333 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 11:21:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 11:21:51 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542309711; bh=PwVz3TVPzo4pTddI2grn6tjcx/icLvkeR5uFDe3Ah+k=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=i1sn+pmkuCDS7lCiGIhN7Mo4mQOu6emyE8MjNjypUVuwXXcFENkjMTNu+tFjhGmXp a55rq4HBVW7e4FXT1WNmxfFZTfkNwdAwbX3cHSzk2+7uxxYN1zmzz+IXjl3enplvT0 q4vFOyZqtMlkVog/Zdw303VuGgkwTaP6BnMtknXw= From: Ryan Hamilton Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] STOP_SENDING in Ready state (#1797) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bedc74f74a2d_36903fc691ad45c0789f8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: RyanAtGoogle X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 19:21:55 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bedc74f74a2d_36903fc691ad45c0789f8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "I would say the overall desired behavior is that the initiator of a stream must be the first one to send frames on it, but that any frame it chooses to send should be considered valid, regardless of reordering." "The other way to frame it is that a peer-initiated stream moves out of Ready on receipt of any frame, and the prohibition on STOP_SENDING gets scoped to locally-initiated streams." @MikeBishop well said. I completely agree with both framings of this issue. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1797#issuecomment-439159062 ----==_mimepart_5bedc74f74a2d_36903fc691ad45c0789f8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

"I would say the overall desired behavior is that the initiator of a s= tream must be the first one to send frames on it, but that any frame it c= hooses to send should be considered valid, regardless of reordering."

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"The other way to frame it is that a peer-initiated stream moves out o= f Ready on receipt of any frame, and the prohibition on STOP_SENDING gets= scoped to locally-initiated streams."

@MikeBishop well said. I completely agree with both frami= ngs of this issue.

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I think the answer to @RyanAtGoogle 's problem is that= it can't really send a STOP_SENDING together with a RESET_STREAM unless = a higher stream was already open. Not because of the current formulation,= but because it violates the principle of sender creating the stream stat= e for its own half-stream, regardless of who is the initiater.

To work around that, either STOP_SENDING should be permitted up to MAX= _STREAM_ID, which I dislike, or a new STOP_RESET_STREAM message is needed= , or STOP_SENDING is only permitted when coalesced in the same packet, wh= ich is messy.

So it really is the same problem as the uninitated peer problem - STOP= _SENDING is invasive on streams that are not yet ready.

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= ----==_mimepart_5bedcbf0575f8_6fb93fc07aad45c42286bb-- From nobody Thu Nov 15 11:45:41 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11C7E128D09 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 11:45:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.471 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.471 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E5l-bMh55beS for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 11:45:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D874C127333 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 11:45:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=231BmseTVQGWomehDGX3DCoBtw8=; b=BXZyFtAeHd9OvUVD mOnywQWFgw2HWoWp+aUGWZrGaVJ3P1NY1/WRgh4lGZM3koF1ovNcd0iG8vcPfogR GDnky91VyGWFX0pSw1LNkCqEjO4Xo2jk3Vm7gKpYtGRUOVvN8B2MGkZDHbBltDRr FmTYyccgbOj/l4N+QV9FHhqfNso= Received: by filter0620p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0620p1iad2-8473-5BEDCCDD-19 2018-11-15 19:45:33.52082536 +0000 UTC m=+762518.272154738 Received: from github-lowworker-f6df7df.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.41]) by ismtpd0014p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id hAzDJFr2TbmymMsfEXZtFQ for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 19:45:33.587 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-f6df7df.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72C873E034B for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 11:45:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 19:45:34 +0000 (UTC) From: Ryan Hamilton Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] STOP_SENDING in Ready state (#1797) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bedccdd71690_65e13ff8ac2d45bc138675"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: RyanAtGoogle X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1EcMv2vVJTgoxkGzXaiC5muhuhxnkpOyJAY0 I8QyIGix2xuXMAMwybQCrMQvi0zhgXSMOIIuhaDzDp1AxjlT6JnL0QJ8tyo374+Ct2I7sm28m0+KuV yCvkD/ElIjwH2rJoXpcYmL9Oige5ECHbgasGWG3GSwlGWqCf7kTsdy4r8E9+os9ljgh3rz4If5YF40 o= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 19:45:40 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bedccdd71690_65e13ff8ac2d45bc138675 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "but because it violates the principle of sender creating the stream state for its own half-stream, regardless of who is the initiater." Is that correct? I think the stream state machine disagrees: ``` o | Create Stream (Sending) | Create Bidirectional Stream (Receiving) v +-------+ ``` This says that the send side of a bidi stream is opened when a bidi stream is opened on the receive side. Or perhaps I'm misreading that? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1797#issuecomment-439166479 ----==_mimepart_5bedccdd71690_65e13ff8ac2d45bc138675 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

"but because it violates the principle of sender creating the stream sta= te for its own half-stream, regardless of who is the initiater."

Is that correct? I think the stream state machine disagrees:

          o
          | Create Stream (Sending)
          | Create Bidirectional Stream (Receiving)
          v
      +-------+

This says that the send side of a bidi stream is opened when a bidi stre= am is opened on the receive side. Or perhaps I'm misreading that?

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= ----==_mimepart_5bedccdd71690_65e13ff8ac2d45bc138675-- From nobody Thu Nov 15 11:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4CF3128D09 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 11:52:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qsYOFoCEjx9X for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 11:52:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F3261127333 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 11:52:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 11:52:46 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542311566; bh=1xS8gNQndxG/ITCw6po8kOYW2z0cQrLHDWbJVfBlfO8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=cQzmDfM1r2S1yWduL3DsQ/YwZ0d6G6BEadKy4o/+/teFr7PHMYsJ5+F7jEku9gWdc xY907CCUDmzQbs3tf0/THgiRg+2ncffxFTyVGoyXdwAMzhgj4ztJGU0nlm4jHqNZvG ofI4ElftXoEU4c0R7uJYSCbQICQbdxozrft4/Db0= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] STOP_SENDING in Ready state (#1797) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bedce8e9c3ef_66163ff8ac2d45bc25593b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 19:52:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bedce8e9c3ef_66163ff8ac2d45bc25593b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm note sure, I have a hard time reading these diagrams. You need to also read the associated text at the very least. Even with a STOP_RESET_STREAM that closed both half-streams, you still have the problem that you then potentially opened streams with lesser ID's. You cannot send STOP_SENDING on these due to the same race condition. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1797#issuecomment-439168740 ----==_mimepart_5bedce8e9c3ef_66163ff8ac2d45bc25593b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm note sure, I have a hard time reading these diagrams. You need to = also read the associated text at the very least.

Even with a STOP_RESET_STREAM that closed both half-streams, you still= have the problem that you then potentially opened streams with lesser ID= 's. You cannot send STOP_SENDING on these due to the same race condition.=

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= ----==_mimepart_5bedce8e9c3ef_66163ff8ac2d45bc25593b-- From nobody Thu Nov 15 11:54:25 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CEF7128D09 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 11:54:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EhoWvdjSDL91 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 11:54:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 93B6B127333 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 11:54:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 11:54:20 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542311660; bh=36RBfjrBga/2IYUrRPMwUj5Q+I+gyv/WyAn5WleQvAo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=k+ja3csbE8iQcaXFS6ZPlWqkfMRt9FErjtpjST1sJpeYtzIGCQAuXZAYYOfPcq+7F 50tfLKtHwHd+FBRWynLeJfrGYYVqI37tCKfj0vQ0TPzGH6XZR/dktPAHwWWvmRIJBB gG/npBVy5kUBpgHY0Dq6usltJQ9y2vQstv/oeW7U= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] STOP_SENDING in Ready state (#1797) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bedceec85868_65163f8b9a6d45c444293e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 19:54:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bedceec85868_65163f8b9a6d45c444293e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > This says that the send side of a bidi stream is opened when a bidi stream is opened on the receive side. Or perhaps I'm misreading that? I don't think that is wrong, but you cannot know the state at both ends at the same time. So the question is how you know that the other end opened the stream. It can happen by receiving data, or via implicit open in some cases. I start to dislike implicit open even more now. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1797#issuecomment-439169198 ----==_mimepart_5bedceec85868_65163f8b9a6d45c444293e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This says that the send side of a bidi stream is opened when a bidi st= ream is opened on the receive side. Or perhaps I'm misreading that?

I don't think that is wrong, but you cannot know the state at both end= s at the same time. So the question is how you know that the other end op= ened the stream. It can happen by receiving data, or via implicit open in= some cases.

I start to dislike implicit open even more now.

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= ----==_mimepart_5bedceec85868_65163f8b9a6d45c444293e-- From nobody Thu Nov 15 12:12:42 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4196129AB8 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 12:12:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wyGJHFKuBloe for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 12:12:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C048C12958B for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 12:12:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 12:12:38 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542312758; bh=1YN1T57SH0WbqkS6cY/93n+mNfP7DGhZ1FCuU5HZ9k8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=FUjFLZVolAXSA588WZ4Xsm7XOrx2Rm1G47iGMWwLVu6N1ZoaJeMLoqx+xj+ov0hPX EouASsvtpgVTm1FAVClfPXZWo7AeUsXW/zpVH3G0SGwLPmRez7Ufh/XWgktrnrvlyh 5rf9cVq9vnzCBSjEOIPcI9wp7KDuPjv4vnhs2Eo8= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] STOP_SENDING in Ready state (#1797) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bedd336a0d75_38163fe7ef0d45b42136bc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 20:12:42 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bedd336a0d75_38163fe7ef0d45b42136bc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looking at the existing transitions....=0D =0D > The sending part of a bidirectional stream initiated by a peer (type 0 = for a server, type 1 for a client) enters the =E2=80=9CReady=E2=80=9D sta= te then immediately transitions to the =E2=80=9CSend=E2=80=9D state if th= e receiving part enters the =E2=80=9CRecv=E2=80=9D state (Section 3.2).=0D= =0D And in "Send," STOP_SENDING is valid. So what causes the receiving part = to enter "Recv"?=0D =0D > The receiving part of a stream initiated by a peer (types 1 and 3 for a= client, or 0 and 2 for a server) is created when the first STREAM, STREA= M_DATA_BLOCKED, RESET_STREAM, or MAX_STREAM_DATA (bidirectional only, see= below) is received for that stream. The initial state for a receive stre= am is =E2=80=9CRecv=E2=80=9D.=0D =0D It's odd to say that STOP_SENDING causes a state change on the receive st= ream, but that's one way to formulate this. It's evidence that the peer = is starting to use this bidirectional stream, and is no more weird than a= MAX_STREAM_DATA (which is similarly talking about the other stream direc= tion).=0D =0D Maybe STOP_SENDING needs to join the bidirectional-only category of frame= s that can open a stream in both directions. -- = You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1797#issuecomment-439174620= ----==_mimepart_5bedd336a0d75_38163fe7ef0d45b42136bc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Looking at the existing transitions....

The sending part of a bidirectional stream initiated by a peer (type 0= for a server, type 1 for a client) enters the =E2=80=9CReady=E2=80=9D st= ate then immediately transitions to the =E2=80=9CSend=E2=80=9D state if t= he receiving part enters the =E2=80=9CRecv=E2=80=9D state (Section 3.2).<= /p>

And in "Send," STOP_SENDING is valid. So what causes the receiving pa= rt to enter "Recv"?

The receiving part of a stream initiated by a peer (types 1 and 3 for = a client, or 0 and 2 for a server) is created when the first STREAM, STRE= AM_DATA_BLOCKED, RESET_STREAM, or MAX_STREAM_DATA (bidirectional only, se= e below) is received for that stream. The initial state for a receive str= eam is =E2=80=9CRecv=E2=80=9D.

It's odd to say that STOP_SENDING causes a state change on the receive= stream, but that's one way to formulate this. It's evidence that the pe= er is starting to use this bidirectional stream, and is no more weird tha= n a MAX_STREAM_DATA (which is similarly talking about the other stream di= rection).

Maybe STOP_SENDING needs to join the bidirectional-only category of fr= ames that can open a stream in both directions.

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Maybe STOP_SENDING needs to join the bidirectional-only category of frames that can open a stream in both directions.

And maybe there or more hidden race conditions in other frame types?

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Fixes #1941

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  • Clarify MAX_STREAMS

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -850,55 +939,45 @@ if packet_type == Initial:
                      len(token)
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Benjamin Saunders pointed out on Slack that the long header pseudo code does not check for out of bounds condition when the packet is small.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +algorithm.  The algorithm used depends on=
 the negotiated AEAD.
+
+The output of this algorithm is 5 bytes of mask which are applied to the=

+protected using exclusive OR.  The least significant bits of the first b=
yte of
+the packet are masked by the first mask byte, and the packet number is m=
asked
+with the remaining bytes.
+
+{{pseudo-hp}} shows a sample algorithm for applying header protection. R=
emoving
+protection only differs in the order in which the packet number length
+(pn_length) is determined.
+
+~~~
+mask =3D header_protection(hp_key, sample)
+
+pn_length =3D (packet[0] & 0x03) + 1
+if packet[0] & 0x80 =3D=3D 0x80:
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-if packet[0] & 0x80 =3D=3D 0x80:
+if (packet[0] & 0x80) =3D=3D 0x80:

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +with the remaining bytes.
+
+{{pseudo-hp}} shows a sample algorithm for applying header protection. Removing
+protection only differs in the order in which the packet number length
+(pn_length) is determined.
+
+~~~
+mask = header_protection(hp_key, sample)
+
+pn_length = (packet[0] & 0x03) + 1
+if packet[0] & 0x80 == 0x80:
+   # Long header: 4 bits masked
+   packet[0] ^= mask[0] & 0x0f
+else:
+   # Short header: 5 bits masked
+   packet[0] ^= mask[0] & 0x1f

@marten-seemann you can grease this bit without encrypting it - just send a different random value with every packet. I would prefer to keep the spec simpler by never encrypting this bit.

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----==_mimepart_5bedf0cdda611_7e8f3fefa34d45b8139889-- From nobody Thu Nov 15 14:21:10 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4075130E5F for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 14:21:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cTaEwkXulJLi for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 14:21:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 031DE130E19 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 14:21:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 14:21:05 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542320465; bh=yUl+Lnl0dLBxeKzpQDJU2pEDxF+4uef2j3jz3BoSUXU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=w91mWv9CAQp3R72b6UlaG+UIe0ASdg0waQzIm3gW/FVrVPXcwSEebdZ5zKJlfubqE r6hDnpJ2ktYu5PJ+CRvzR7h/5sYPd/qVrDB6CfwiUlv+GuFAA1XJShfkT6diQZ3zds pAgvxHPm9fUXwHbtiIWjndlyw6Qm10SfWzMn/6b4= From: erickinnear Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] First octet changes (#2006) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bedf151e2b34_36cc3fe128ed45c471781"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: erickinnear X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 22:21:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bedf151e2b34_36cc3fe128ed45c471781 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit erickinnear commented on this pull request. > +with the remaining bytes. + +{{pseudo-hp}} shows a sample algorithm for applying header protection. Removing +protection only differs in the order in which the packet number length +(pn_length) is determined. + +~~~ +mask = header_protection(hp_key, sample) + +pn_length = (packet[0] & 0x03) + 1 +if packet[0] & 0x80 == 0x80: + # Long header: 4 bits masked + packet[0] ^= mask[0] & 0x0f +else: + # Short header: 5 bits masked + packet[0] ^= mask[0] & 0x1f @ianswett I think you can still tell which connections aren't spinning even if set to a random value. But I agree about leaking information unintentionally. I'd also like to make sure we grease this bit, but I would be fine with doing that in a way that doesn't involve encrypting it with the rest of the packet. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2006#discussion_r234030117 ----==_mimepart_5bedf151e2b34_36cc3fe128ed45c471781 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +with the remaining bytes.
+
+{{pseudo-hp}} shows a sample algorithm for applying header protection. Removing
+protection only differs in the order in which the packet number length
+(pn_length) is determined.
+
+~~~
+mask = header_protection(hp_key, sample)
+
+pn_length = (packet[0] & 0x03) + 1
+if packet[0] & 0x80 == 0x80:
+   # Long header: 4 bits masked
+   packet[0] ^= mask[0] & 0x0f
+else:
+   # Short header: 5 bits masked
+   packet[0] ^= mask[0] & 0x1f

@ianswett I think you can still tell which connections aren't spinning even if set to a random value. But I agree about leaking information unintentionally.

I'd also like to make sure we grease this bit, but I would be fine with doing that in a way that doesn't involve encrypting it with the rest of the packet.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +with the remaining bytes.
+
+{{pseudo-hp}} shows a sample algorithm for applying header protection. Removing
+protection only differs in the order in which the packet number length
+(pn_length) is determined.
+
+~~~
+mask = header_protection(hp_key, sample)
+
+pn_length = (packet[0] & 0x03) + 1
+if packet[0] & 0x80 == 0x80:
+   # Long header: 4 bits masked
+   packet[0] ^= mask[0] & 0x0f
+else:
+   # Short header: 5 bits masked
+   packet[0] ^= mask[0] & 0x1f

@DavidSchinazi The simplest way to randomize it is to encrypt it, but as Ian says, there are reasons not to do this.

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@DavidSchinazi commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +
+Header protection is applied after packet protection is applied (see {{aead}}).
+The ciphertext of the packet is sampled and used as input to an encryption
+algorithm.  The algorithm used depends on the negotiated AEAD.
+
+The output of this algorithm is 5 bytes of mask which are applied to the
+protected using exclusive OR.  The least significant bits of the first byte of
+the packet are masked by the first mask byte, and the packet number is masked
+with the remaining bytes.
+
+{{pseudo-hp}} shows a sample algorithm for applying header protection. Removing
+protection only differs in the order in which the packet number length
+(pn_length) is determined.
+
+~~~
+mask = header_protection(hp_key, sample)

Shouldn't this pseudo-code define how sample is computed first? The spec only defines it further down (in #hp-sample) so we may want to reorder the pseudo-code to somewhere after that

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +Before a TLS ciphersuite can be used with QUIC, a header protection algorithm
+MUST be specified for the AEAD used with that ciphersuite.  This document
+defines algorithms for AEAD_AES_128_GCM, AEAD_AES_128_CCM, AEAD_AES_256_GCM,
+AEAD_AES_256_CCM (all AES AEADs are defined in {{!AEAD=RFC5116}}), and
+AEAD_CHACHA20_POLY1305 {{!CHACHA=RFC8439}}.
+
+
+### Header Protection Sample {#hp-sample}
+
+The header protection algorithm uses both the header protection key and a sample
+of the ciphertext from the packet Payload field.
+
+The same number of bytes are always sampled, but an allowance needs to be made
+for the endpoint removing protection, which will not know the length of the
+Packet Number field.  In sampling the packet ciphertext, the Packet Number field
+is assumed to be 4 bytes long (its maximum possible encoded length), unless

Now that we have this PR, I'd like to reopen the discussion of PNE simplification I proposed a while back. Given the text in this PR, my proposal would be to require that QUIC packets MUST verify length(packet number) + length(payload) >= 4. Then you can remove this "unless" clause which simplifies both encryption and decryption. (Unlike my previous proposal, we would now only encrypt the packet number (not the start of the payload) since we get the packet number length from the first byte.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  pseudocode:
 =

 ~~~
 counter =3D DecodeLE(sample[0..3])
 nonce =3D DecodeLE(sample[4..7], sample[8..11], sample[12..15])
-encrypted_pn =3D ChaCha20(pn_key, counter, nonce, packet_number)
+mask =3D ChaCha20(pn_key, counter, nonce, 0)
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-mask =3D ChaCha20(pn_key, counter, nonce, 0)
+mask =3D ChaCha20(pn_key, counter, nonce, {0,0,0,0,0})

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fixes #1797, hopefully for real this time. This is working with the existing text, but frankly, it feels a little wonky to say that receiving a frame for the sending part opens the receiving part, which opens the sending part, so the frame on the sending part is now valid to have received. I'm not certain there's a better way to frame that, but we might think about it. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2013 -- Commit Summary -- * STOP_SENDING opens streams -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (32) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2013.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2013.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2013 ----==_mimepart_5bedf797ea445_1323fbe732d45bc172420 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Fixes #1797, hopefully for real this time.

This is working with the existing text, but frankly, it feels a little wonky to say that receiving a frame for the sending part opens the receiving part, which opens the sending part, so the frame on the sending part is now valid to have received.

I'm not certain there's a better way to frame that, but we might think about it.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2013

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  • STOP_SENDING opens streams

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4276,12 +4280,12 @@ An endpoint uses a STOP_SENDING frame (type=0x05) to communicate that incoming
 data is being discarded on receipt at application request.  This signals a peer
 to abruptly terminate transmission on a stream.
 
-Receipt of a STOP_SENDING frame is only valid for a send stream that exists and
-is not in the "Ready" state (see {{stream-send-states}}).  Receiving a
-STOP_SENDING frame for a send stream that is "Ready" or non-existent MUST be
-treated as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.  An endpoint that
-receives a STOP_SENDING frame for a receive-only stream MUST terminate the
-connection with error PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.
+Receipt of a STOP_SENDING frame is invalid for a locally-initiated stream which
+does not exist or is in the "Ready" state (see {{stream-send-states}}).
+Receiving a STOP_SENDING frame for a locally-initiated send stream that is
+"Ready" or non-existent MUST be treated as a connection error of type
+PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.  An endpoint that receives a STOP_SENDING frame for a
+receive-only stream MUST terminate the connection with error PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.

I don't think this handles STOP_SENDING sent on an implicitly opened stream.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -including only a variable number of the least significant bits of the packet
-number.  One or two of the most significant bits of the first byte are then used
-to represent how many bits of the packet number are provided, as shown in
-{{pn-encodings}}.
-
-| First byte pattern | Encoded Length | Bits Present |
-|:-------------------|:---------------|:-------------|
-| 0b0xxxxxxx         | 1 byte         | 7            |
-| 0b10xxxxxx         | 2              | 14           |
-| 0b11xxxxxx         | 4              | 30           |
-{: #pn-encodings title="Packet Number Encodings for Packet Headers"}
-
-Note that these encodings are similar to those in {{integer-encoding}}, but
-use different values.
+Packet numbers in long and short packet headers are encoded on 1 to 4 octets.
+The number of bits required to represent the packet number reduced by including

I'm confused by this sentence. Did you mean "The number of bits required to represent the packet number is deduced by observing the two least significant bits of the first byte." or something completely different?

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +Before a TLS ciphersuite can be used with QUIC, a header protection algorithm
+MUST be specified for the AEAD used with that ciphersuite.  This document
+defines algorithms for AEAD_AES_128_GCM, AEAD_AES_128_CCM, AEAD_AES_256_GCM,
+AEAD_AES_256_CCM (all AES AEADs are defined in {{!AEAD=RFC5116}}), and
+AEAD_CHACHA20_POLY1305 {{!CHACHA=RFC8439}}.
+
+
+### Header Protection Sample {#hp-sample}
+
+The header protection algorithm uses both the header protection key and a sample
+of the ciphertext from the packet Payload field.
+
+The same number of bytes are always sampled, but an allowance needs to be made
+for the endpoint removing protection, which will not know the length of the
+Packet Number field.  In sampling the packet ciphertext, the Packet Number field
+is assumed to be 4 bytes long (its maximum possible encoded length), unless

The current proposal does not encrypt any payload - I think an earlier iteration did.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -including only a variable number of the least significant bits of the packet
-number.  One or two of the most significant bits of the first byte are then used
-to represent how many bits of the packet number are provided, as shown in
-{{pn-encodings}}.
-
-| First byte pattern | Encoded Length | Bits Present |
-|:-------------------|:---------------|:-------------|
-| 0b0xxxxxxx         | 1 byte         | 7            |
-| 0b10xxxxxx         | 2              | 14           |
-| 0b11xxxxxx         | 4              | 30           |
-{: #pn-encodings title="Packet Number Encodings for Packet Headers"}
-
-Note that these encodings are similar to those in {{integer-encoding}}, but
-use different values.
+Packet numbers in long and short packet headers are encoded on 1 to 4 octets.
+The number of bits required to represent the packet number reduced by including

Reading further down I'm actually understanding the meaning now - perhaps we could rephrase to something like: "Since we have information about which previous packet numbers have been acknowledged, it is possible to only send some of the least significant bits of the packet number when they are sufficient to reconstruct the full packet number unambiguously."

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----==_mimepart_5bedfa0c5c4c8_67203f9d420d45c0195260-- From nobody Thu Nov 15 17:44:25 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84C19130DE6 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 17:44:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Fbd2jyxuW73N for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 17:44:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED4DF123FFD for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 17:44:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 17:44:21 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542332661; bh=Pbi3pae51AEW+GXJ0w32Jf7YxB4K6AMIP8cSpp5jVq8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ej4Pecq+00s01GjPuVRHSH4hwEpaj33m8a1hKMmBRRDA5iqjBBhGQEVjTV+cFjiSg gk5y8vZ4e56hU3Bzx3bWskeCcZNub/sHM98uFdb/ZwjFyTARcyDYJInhIpfK+kV4ij D8rLlxXxC3AHc81WGmTqNmoA3UzeNIJUnmmVhnMw= From: Ryan Hamilton Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] STOP_SENDING opens streams (#2013) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bee20f5bf719_5a773ff3a08d45b826825c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: RyanAtGoogle X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 01:44:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bee20f5bf719_5a773ff3a08d45b826825c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RyanAtGoogle commented on this pull request. This looks great to me! I agree with your unease about "receiving a frame for the sending part opens the receiving part, which opens the sending part, so the frame on the sending part is now valid to have received." But as you say, working with the existing text, that does seem fine. In any case, this feels like a definitely improvement to the status quo. Thanks! -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2013#pullrequestreview-175630826 ----==_mimepart_5bee20f5bf719_5a773ff3a08d45b826825c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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This looks great to me! I agree with your unease about "receiving a frame for the sending part opens the receiving part, which opens the sending part, so the frame on the sending part is now valid to have received." But as you say, working with the existing text, that does seem fine. In any case, this feels like a definitely improvement to the status quo.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Third Bit:
+: The next bit (0x40) of byte 0 is set to 1.  Packets containing a zero value

Just wanted to note that forcing bit 0x40 to 1 is critical to Google's demultiplexing. We were using 0x08 (the "Google QUIC Demultiplexing Bit") but since 0x08 is now encrypted we'll be using this one. So please keep this at 1, at least for short headers. Thanks!

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I'm not certain that these are the only changes needed, but I think that this is essentially complete.

I think you also need to update the diagram of the Stateless Reset packet.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Third Bit:
+: The next bit (0x40) of byte 0 is set to 1.  Packets containing a zero value

Agreed: keeping 0x40 will mean that servers will be able to support pre-Q044 clients as well.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +Before a TLS ciphersuite can be used with QUIC, a header protection algorithm
+MUST be specified for the AEAD used with that ciphersuite.  This document
+defines algorithms for AEAD_AES_128_GCM, AEAD_AES_128_CCM, AEAD_AES_256_GCM,
+AEAD_AES_256_CCM (all AES AEADs are defined in {{!AEAD=RFC5116}}), and
+AEAD_CHACHA20_POLY1305 {{!CHACHA=RFC8439}}.
+
+
+### Header Protection Sample {#hp-sample}
+
+The header protection algorithm uses both the header protection key and a sample
+of the ciphertext from the packet Payload field.
+
+The same number of bytes are always sampled, but an allowance needs to be made
+for the endpoint removing protection, which will not know the length of the
+Packet Number field.  In sampling the packet ciphertext, the Packet Number field
+is assumed to be 4 bytes long (its maximum possible encoded length), unless

As pointed out by @huitema elsewhere, we might start seeing cipher-suites that use smaller-sized tags.

For example, the TLS_AES_128_CCM_8_SHA256 cipher-suite defined in TLS 1.3 uses a 64-bit tag, meaning that the shortest possible IV passed to the header protection would be just 72-bits.

Considering that, I think it might be safer to require senders to pad the payload so that there would be at least 128 bits of IV.

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----==_mimepart_5bee69d458bbe_6a723f9c3b6d45b81920a-- From nobody Thu Nov 15 23:18:39 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53D75130E03 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 23:18:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jIf2uoQzxseC for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 23:18:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6AFEB130DC8 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 23:18:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 23:18:35 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542352715; bh=gnZKVPrYGbjA6KZjUIwvrNapt3hEwLQzZjvCOe2CWYA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=rPUavDt0cNfalrvLSXNRGjmg5+VehqqRJG+yTA52nPRpG2rFTxqpiQ8rtKomP6PaJ BB01F87DoVjIE8cwUnuK+I7qqDVVHQ+FGZDVNzYs+iN3Xx5v4xoeaiBS1+k4wDe6xA twdiGrG7wOB7IPUEJWpympJzs3cqKh03SCILVxRI= From: David Schinazi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] First octet changes (#2006) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bee6f4b443ba_115c3fd8c44d45b82814b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DavidSchinazi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 07:18:38 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bee6f4b443ba_115c3fd8c44d45b82814b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DavidSchinazi commented on this pull request. > +Before a TLS ciphersuite can be used with QUIC, a header protection algorithm +MUST be specified for the AEAD used with that ciphersuite. This document +defines algorithms for AEAD_AES_128_GCM, AEAD_AES_128_CCM, AEAD_AES_256_GCM, +AEAD_AES_256_CCM (all AES AEADs are defined in {{!AEAD=RFC5116}}), and +AEAD_CHACHA20_POLY1305 {{!CHACHA=RFC8439}}. + + +### Header Protection Sample {#hp-sample} + +The header protection algorithm uses both the header protection key and a sample +of the ciphertext from the packet Payload field. + +The same number of bytes are always sampled, but an allowance needs to be made +for the endpoint removing protection, which will not know the length of the +Packet Number field. In sampling the packet ciphertext, the Packet Number field +is assumed to be 4 bytes long (its maximum possible encoded length), unless I would be inclined to disallow TLS_AES_128_CCM_8_SHA256 in QUIC but either way padding the payload is a viable solution -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2006#discussion_r234108887 ----==_mimepart_5bee6f4b443ba_115c3fd8c44d45b82814b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +Before a TLS ciphersuite can be used with QUIC, a header protection algorithm
+MUST be specified for the AEAD used with that ciphersuite.  This document
+defines algorithms for AEAD_AES_128_GCM, AEAD_AES_128_CCM, AEAD_AES_256_GCM,
+AEAD_AES_256_CCM (all AES AEADs are defined in {{!AEAD=RFC5116}}), and
+AEAD_CHACHA20_POLY1305 {{!CHACHA=RFC8439}}.
+
+
+### Header Protection Sample {#hp-sample}
+
+The header protection algorithm uses both the header protection key and a sample
+of the ciphertext from the packet Payload field.
+
+The same number of bytes are always sampled, but an allowance needs to be made
+for the endpoint removing protection, which will not know the length of the
+Packet Number field.  In sampling the packet ciphertext, the Packet Number field
+is assumed to be 4 bytes long (its maximum possible encoded length), unless

I would be inclined to disallow TLS_AES_128_CCM_8_SHA256 in QUIC but either way padding the payload is a viable solution

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -including only a variable number of the least significant bits of the packet
-number.  One or two of the most significant bits of the first byte are then used
-to represent how many bits of the packet number are provided, as shown in
-{{pn-encodings}}.
-
-| First byte pattern | Encoded Length | Bits Present |
-|:-------------------|:---------------|:-------------|
-| 0b0xxxxxxx         | 1 byte         | 7            |
-| 0b10xxxxxx         | 2              | 14           |
-| 0b11xxxxxx         | 4              | 30           |
-{: #pn-encodings title="Packet Number Encodings for Packet Headers"}
-
-Note that these encodings are similar to those in {{integer-encoding}}, but
-use different values.
+Packet numbers in long and short packet headers are encoded on 1 to 4 octets.
+The number of bits required to represent the packet number reduced by including

I think this sentence really means, "compared to the previous draft, the number of bits required to encode the PN is reduced, because we steal 2 bits from the first octet." Which makes sense now as we are arguing about details, but really does not belong in the final spec. In the final spec, the encoding is what it is, and that's it.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +with the remaining bytes.
+
+{{pseudo-hp}} shows a sample algorithm for applying header protection. Removing
+protection only differs in the order in which the packet number length
+(pn_length) is determined.
+
+~~~
+mask = header_protection(hp_key, sample)
+
+pn_length = (packet[0] & 0x03) + 1
+if packet[0] & 0x80 == 0x80:
+   # Long header: 4 bits masked
+   packet[0] ^= mask[0] & 0x0f
+else:
+   # Short header: 5 bits masked
+   packet[0] ^= mask[0] & 0x1f

No, that doesn't work, because the value of the spin bit is covered by the AAD, and we have to have peers agree on what the value is.

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This document +defines algorithms for AEAD_AES_128_GCM, AEAD_AES_128_CCM, AEAD_AES_256_GCM, +AEAD_AES_256_CCM (all AES AEADs are defined in {{!AEAD=RFC5116}}), and +AEAD_CHACHA20_POLY1305 {{!CHACHA=RFC8439}}. + + +### Header Protection Sample {#hp-sample} + +The header protection algorithm uses both the header protection key and a sample +of the ciphertext from the packet Payload field. + +The same number of bytes are always sampled, but an allowance needs to be made +for the endpoint removing protection, which will not know the length of the +Packet Number field. In sampling the packet ciphertext, the Packet Number field +is assumed to be 4 bytes long (its maximum possible encoded length), unless I don't think the privacy implications of the header encryption are significant enough to require an IV longer than the AEAD tag, and if they are, choose an algorithm that works. Some applications outside of UDP might want really small fast packets for signalling, like ABS brakes or something. BTW: I thought all tags were currently 16 bytes? https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-tls.html#aead > All ciphersuites currently defined for TLS 1.3 - and therefore QUIC - have a 16-byte authentication tag and produce an output 16 bytes larger than their input. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2006#discussion_r234160658 ----==_mimepart_5bee9ea0d0359_31c3fcb6ded45b8495e7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@mikkelfj commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +Before a TLS ciphersuite can be used with QUIC, a header protection algorithm
+MUST be specified for the AEAD used with that ciphersuite.  This document
+defines algorithms for AEAD_AES_128_GCM, AEAD_AES_128_CCM, AEAD_AES_256_GCM,
+AEAD_AES_256_CCM (all AES AEADs are defined in {{!AEAD=RFC5116}}), and
+AEAD_CHACHA20_POLY1305 {{!CHACHA=RFC8439}}.
+
+
+### Header Protection Sample {#hp-sample}
+
+The header protection algorithm uses both the header protection key and a sample
+of the ciphertext from the packet Payload field.
+
+The same number of bytes are always sampled, but an allowance needs to be made
+for the endpoint removing protection, which will not know the length of the
+Packet Number field.  In sampling the packet ciphertext, the Packet Number field
+is assumed to be 4 bytes long (its maximum possible encoded length), unless

I don't think the privacy implications of the header encryption are significant enough to require an IV longer than the AEAD tag, and if they are, choose an algorithm that works. Some applications outside of UDP might want really small fast packets for signalling, like ABS brakes or something.

BTW: I thought all tags were currently 16 bytes?

https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-tls.html#aead

All ciphersuites currently defined for TLS 1.3 - and therefore QUIC - have a 16-byte authentication tag and produce an output 16 bytes larger than their input.

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I think this works, but it is a bit awkward. I don't have any concrete suggestions though.

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+1 on this. We were doing this implicitly in our implementation

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This signals a peer to abruptly terminate transmission on a stream. -Receipt of a STOP_SENDING frame is only valid for a send stream that exists and -is not in the "Ready" state (see {{stream-send-states}}). Receiving a -STOP_SENDING frame for a send stream that is "Ready" or non-existent MUST be -treated as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. An endpoint that -receives a STOP_SENDING frame for a receive-only stream MUST terminate the -connection with error PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. +Receipt of a STOP_SENDING frame is invalid for a locally-initiated stream which +does not exist or is in the "Ready" state (see {{stream-send-states}}). +Receiving a STOP_SENDING frame for a locally-initiated send stream that is +"Ready" or non-existent MUST be treated as a connection error of type +PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. An endpoint that receives a STOP_SENDING frame for a +receive-only stream MUST terminate the connection with error PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. I think senders are required to open streams in order so this should be fine > @@ -4276,12 +4280,12 @@ An endpoint uses a STOP_SENDING frame (type=0x05) to communicate that incoming data is being discarded on receipt at application request. This signals a peer to abruptly terminate transmission on a stream. -Receipt of a STOP_SENDING frame is only valid for a send stream that exists and -is not in the "Ready" state (see {{stream-send-states}}). Receiving a -STOP_SENDING frame for a send stream that is "Ready" or non-existent MUST be -treated as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. An endpoint that -receives a STOP_SENDING frame for a receive-only stream MUST terminate the -connection with error PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. +Receipt of a STOP_SENDING frame is invalid for a locally-initiated stream which +does not exist or is in the "Ready" state (see {{stream-send-states}}). +Receiving a STOP_SENDING frame for a locally-initiated send stream that is +"Ready" or non-existent MUST be treated as a connection error of type +PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. An endpoint that receives a STOP_SENDING frame for a +receive-only stream MUST terminate the connection with error PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. I think senders are required to open streams in order so this should be fine -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2013#discussion_r234287786 ----==_mimepart_5beefe8e1bd55_af23fe7d26d45bc126151 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4276,12 +4280,12 @@ An endpoint uses a STOP_SENDING frame (type=0x05) to communicate that incoming
 data is being discarded on receipt at application request.  This signals a peer
 to abruptly terminate transmission on a stream.
 
-Receipt of a STOP_SENDING frame is only valid for a send stream that exists and
-is not in the "Ready" state (see {{stream-send-states}}).  Receiving a
-STOP_SENDING frame for a send stream that is "Ready" or non-existent MUST be
-treated as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.  An endpoint that
-receives a STOP_SENDING frame for a receive-only stream MUST terminate the
-connection with error PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.
+Receipt of a STOP_SENDING frame is invalid for a locally-initiated stream which
+does not exist or is in the "Ready" state (see {{stream-send-states}}).
+Receiving a STOP_SENDING frame for a locally-initiated send stream that is
+"Ready" or non-existent MUST be treated as a connection error of type
+PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.  An endpoint that receives a STOP_SENDING frame for a
+receive-only stream MUST terminate the connection with error PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.

I think senders are required to open streams in order so this should be fine

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4276,12 +4280,12 @@ An endpoint uses a STOP_SENDING frame (type=0x05) to communicate that incoming
 data is being discarded on receipt at application request.  This signals a peer
 to abruptly terminate transmission on a stream.
 
-Receipt of a STOP_SENDING frame is only valid for a send stream that exists and
-is not in the "Ready" state (see {{stream-send-states}}).  Receiving a
-STOP_SENDING frame for a send stream that is "Ready" or non-existent MUST be
-treated as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.  An endpoint that
-receives a STOP_SENDING frame for a receive-only stream MUST terminate the
-connection with error PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.
+Receipt of a STOP_SENDING frame is invalid for a locally-initiated stream which
+does not exist or is in the "Ready" state (see {{stream-send-states}}).
+Receiving a STOP_SENDING frame for a locally-initiated send stream that is
+"Ready" or non-existent MUST be treated as a connection error of type
+PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.  An endpoint that receives a STOP_SENDING frame for a
+receive-only stream MUST terminate the connection with error PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.

I think senders are required to open streams in order so this should be fine

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -850,55 +939,45 @@ if packet_type == Initial:
                      len(token)
 ~~~

Yes; as an implementer (and the reason Benjamin asked about this) I looked at the example code more than the surrounding prose, and incorrectly assumed the offset adjustment only applies for short header packets. It would be nice to clarify this somehow, either by duplicating that bit of code for the long header example code, or by separating it more from the short header example code to clarify that it applies to both.

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Why isn't OnPacketsLost called for nonretransmittable packets? Just because you don't retransmit the information contained in the packet, doesn't mean it's loss wasn't an indication of a congestion event, right? If you send an ACK only packet, then three data packets after it, and you then get an ACK for just the data packets, shouldn't you consider there have been a congestion event?

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Likely because nonretransmittable packets do not count towards bytes in flight. I believe several has stated recently that it is unfortunate that these packets do not contribute to the congestion window, but it is the most pragmatic approach.

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But I'm arguing that determining if there was a congestion event should be independent of how many retransmittable bytes the packet contains. It would be trivial enough to update the pseudo code.

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----==_mimepart_5bef392960101_6ac53fa24dcd45b81433d6-- From nobody Fri Nov 16 13:44:14 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6E68128D09 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 13:44:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tDa9guYYGvBy for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 13:44:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1B173127333 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 13:44:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 13:44:10 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542404650; bh=rY9rRH+NL632tlMUYq/3Kzkj+S44lfXbAmaH5AGrF+I=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=w7wdRLcPnB1NLcXCW3EKugVwANZMLjMiJ7+ttDEb4WbVzII7w/ueoTx0U79wzVbyl OZNy1ZJHNpSjfSj054HwKBCmtUEexFuvz5ApfnPxl2CBho31ZoIE58gTdwe0wVOa5d b8lPl5pvod//VIobPo11kq3XkvykXxTeOh74Npkg= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] OnPacketsLost for Nonretransmittable Packets (#2015) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bef3a2a478bb_36ae3f9b16ad45bc291034"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 21:44:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bef3a2a478bb_36ae3f9b16ad45bc291034 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At least you'd have to update OnPacketSent as well. But if you count nonretransmittable packets and there is no retransmittable packet in front, you might miscalculate the available bandwidth because you do not get timely feedback. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2015#issuecomment-439538549 ----==_mimepart_5bef3a2a478bb_36ae3f9b16ad45bc291034 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

At least you'd have to update OnPacketSent as well. But if you count nonretransmittable packets and there is no retransmittable packet in front, you might miscalculate the available bandwidth because you do not get timely feedback.

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Yes, a few places would have to be updated, but it's really just moving the if (unacked.retransmittable): line into the OnPacketsLost function, only subtracting the bytes in flight if retransmittable.

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+1. We do this too.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -668,13 +668,14 @@ Largest Known Received.
 ### Stream Cancellation
 
 A stream that is reset might have multiple outstanding header blocks with
-dynamic table references.  A decoder that receives a stream reset before the end
-of a stream generates a Stream Cancellation instruction on the decoder stream.
-Similarly, a decoder that abandons reading of a stream needs to signal this
-using the Stream Cancellation instruction.  This signals to the encoder that all
-references to the dynamic table on that stream are no longer outstanding.  A
-decoder with a maximum dynamic table size equal to zero MAY omit sending Stream
-Cancellations, because the encoder cannot have any dynamic table references.
+dynamic table references.  An endpoint that receives a stream reset before
+the end of a stream generates a Stream Cancellation instruction on the
+decoder stream.  Similarly, a decoder that abandons reading of a stream needs

Maybe you need to change here as well? i.e. "a decoder that abandons" -> "an endpoint that abandons"

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4276,12 +4280,12 @@ An endpoint uses a STOP_SENDING frame (type=0x05) to communicate that incoming
 data is being discarded on receipt at application request.  This signals a peer
 to abruptly terminate transmission on a stream.
 
-Receipt of a STOP_SENDING frame is only valid for a send stream that exists and
-is not in the "Ready" state (see {{stream-send-states}}).  Receiving a
-STOP_SENDING frame for a send stream that is "Ready" or non-existent MUST be
-treated as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.  An endpoint that
-receives a STOP_SENDING frame for a receive-only stream MUST terminate the
-connection with error PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.
+Receipt of a STOP_SENDING frame is invalid for a locally-initiated stream which
+does not exist or is in the "Ready" state (see {{stream-send-states}}).

"does not exist" sounds a bit weird. In my implementation, when a stream is fully closed, I delete it from my map of streams at some point. At that moment, it does not exist any more, but receipt of a (delayed) STOP_SENDING is still a valid thing.

Maybe we can say "has not yet been created".

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@marten-seemann commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +Before a TLS ciphersuite can be used with QUIC, a header protection algorithm
+MUST be specified for the AEAD used with that ciphersuite.  This document
+defines algorithms for AEAD_AES_128_GCM, AEAD_AES_128_CCM, AEAD_AES_256_GCM,
+AEAD_AES_256_CCM (all AES AEADs are defined in {{!AEAD=RFC5116}}), and
+AEAD_CHACHA20_POLY1305 {{!CHACHA=RFC8439}}.
+
+
+### Header Protection Sample {#hp-sample}
+
+The header protection algorithm uses both the header protection key and a sample
+of the ciphertext from the packet Payload field.
+
+The same number of bytes are always sampled, but an allowance needs to be made
+for the endpoint removing protection, which will not know the length of the
+Packet Number field.  In sampling the packet ciphertext, the Packet Number field
+is assumed to be 4 bytes long (its maximum possible encoded length), unless

What's the worst case scenario here? According to my understanding, if I reuse the IV in AES-CTR, an observer will be able to obtain the XOR of the plain texts. But that's all, I'm not compromising the header encryption keys.
Is that correct?

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -668,13 +668,14 @@ Largest Known Received.
 ### Stream Cancellation
 
 A stream that is reset might have multiple outstanding header blocks with
-dynamic table references.  A decoder that receives a stream reset before the end
-of a stream generates a Stream Cancellation instruction on the decoder stream.
-Similarly, a decoder that abandons reading of a stream needs to signal this
-using the Stream Cancellation instruction.  This signals to the encoder that all
-references to the dynamic table on that stream are no longer outstanding.  A
-decoder with a maximum dynamic table size equal to zero MAY omit sending Stream
-Cancellations, because the encoder cannot have any dynamic table references.
+dynamic table references.  An endpoint that receives a stream reset before
+the end of a stream generates a Stream Cancellation instruction on the
+decoder stream.  Similarly, a decoder that abandons reading of a stream needs

Good point -- I'll modify this part as well.

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This document +defines algorithms for AEAD_AES_128_GCM, AEAD_AES_128_CCM, AEAD_AES_256_GCM, +AEAD_AES_256_CCM (all AES AEADs are defined in {{!AEAD=RFC5116}}), and +AEAD_CHACHA20_POLY1305 {{!CHACHA=RFC8439}}. + + +### Header Protection Sample {#hp-sample} + +The header protection algorithm uses both the header protection key and a sample +of the ciphertext from the packet Payload field. + +The same number of bytes are always sampled, but an allowance needs to be made +for the endpoint removing protection, which will not know the length of the +Packet Number field. In sampling the packet ciphertext, the Packet Number field +is assumed to be 4 bytes long (its maximum possible encoded length), unless @mikkelfj I tend to agree that 128 bits will be enough (because PN space is 62 bits and IV needs to be indistinguishable from random), but I think we might want to define the number for each cipher-suite. @marten-seemann The reason we introduced PNE was to prevent packet numbers sent in clear as a tracking vector among multiple CIDs of a connection (that possibly roams). As you state, IV collision leaks the XOR between two packet numbers. The risk of that being used as a tracking vector will become higher as the chance of collision arises. Anyways, I think that requiring `length(packet number) + length(payload) >= 4 + length(iv) - length(aead tag)` would be a good idea, because it is a simplification at the same time giving us agility against cipher-suites that we might add in the future. Current spec requires both the encoder and decoder to adjust the position of IV if the payload length is below 4. The proposed change concentrates the adjustment into one point; i.e. when encoder builds the payload. FWIW, for the cipher-suites that are defined now, the right-hand side of the expression (i.e. `4 + length(iv) - length(aead tag)`) is always 4, which makes the equation exactly the same as what @DavidSchinazi suggests. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2006#discussion_r234394614 ----==_mimepart_5bef8a196183a_270d3fdaeb0d45c01438f2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +Before a TLS ciphersuite can be used with QUIC, a header protection algorithm
+MUST be specified for the AEAD used with that ciphersuite.  This document
+defines algorithms for AEAD_AES_128_GCM, AEAD_AES_128_CCM, AEAD_AES_256_GCM,
+AEAD_AES_256_CCM (all AES AEADs are defined in {{!AEAD=RFC5116}}), and
+AEAD_CHACHA20_POLY1305 {{!CHACHA=RFC8439}}.
+
+
+### Header Protection Sample {#hp-sample}
+
+The header protection algorithm uses both the header protection key and a sample
+of the ciphertext from the packet Payload field.
+
+The same number of bytes are always sampled, but an allowance needs to be made
+for the endpoint removing protection, which will not know the length of the
+Packet Number field.  In sampling the packet ciphertext, the Packet Number field
+is assumed to be 4 bytes long (its maximum possible encoded length), unless

@mikkelfj I tend to agree that 128 bits will be enough (because PN space is 62 bits and IV needs to be indistinguishable from random), but I think we might want to define the number for each cipher-suite.

@marten-seemann The reason we introduced PNE was to prevent packet numbers sent in clear as a tracking vector among multiple CIDs of a connection (that possibly roams). As you state, IV collision leaks the XOR between two packet numbers. The risk of that being used as a tracking vector will become higher as the chance of collision arises.

Anyways, I think that requiring length(packet number) + length(payload) >= 4 + length(iv) - length(aead tag) would be a good idea, because it is a simplification at the same time giving us agility against cipher-suites that we might add in the future. Current spec requires both the encoder and decoder to adjust the position of IV if the payload length is below 4. The proposed change concentrates the adjustment into one point; i.e. when encoder builds the payload.

FWIW, for the cipher-suites that are defined now, the right-hand side of the expression (i.e. 4 + length(iv) - length(aead tag)) is always 4, which makes the equation exactly the same as what @DavidSchinazi suggests.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>    confidentiality protection separate from packet protection, as described in
-  Section 5.3 of {{QUIC-TLS}}. The length of the packet number field is encoded
+  Section 5.4 of {{QUIC-TLS}}. The length of the packet number field is encoded
   in the plaintext packet number. See {{packet-encoding}} for details.

Is that true? Isn't the length of the packet number field encoded in the first byte?

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@kazuho commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +Before a TLS ciphersuite can be used with QUIC, a header protection algorithm
+MUST be specified for the AEAD used with that ciphersuite.  This document
+defines algorithms for AEAD_AES_128_GCM, AEAD_AES_128_CCM, AEAD_AES_256_GCM,
+AEAD_AES_256_CCM (all AES AEADs are defined in {{!AEAD=RFC5116}}), and
+AEAD_CHACHA20_POLY1305 {{!CHACHA=RFC8439}}.
+
+
+### Header Protection Sample {#hp-sample}
+
+The header protection algorithm uses both the header protection key and a sample
+of the ciphertext from the packet Payload field.
+
+The same number of bytes are always sampled, but an allowance needs to be made
+for the endpoint removing protection, which will not know the length of the
+Packet Number field.  In sampling the packet ciphertext, the Packet Number field
+is assumed to be 4 bytes long (its maximum possible encoded length), unless

@DavidSchinazi

I would be inclined to disallow TLS_AES_128_CCM_8_SHA256 in QUIC but either way padding the payload is a viable solution

Yeah my point is that I would rather avoid the possibility of discussing how QUIC should be adjusted to support cipher-suites like AES128-CCM8, and that requiring the encoder to pad is a good approach in that respect. Because people who wants to introduce that type of cipher can simply define a different constant for the right-hand side (see my comment above).

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RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frames can retire the server-chosen connection ID used during the handshake. This should also retire the associated stateless reset token.

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We chose the stateless reset token to be 16 bytes long, but I don't remember the reason. It matches the tag size of the AEADs we use, although, as @kazuho points out in #2006 (comment), this might not be true for all TLS cipher suites.

In general, the probability for an attacker to correctly guess a stateless reset token is 2^(-token length). It seems like a 64 bit token would be sufficient to provide protection against an attack like that. Using a shorter token would make rotating connection IDs significantly cheaper, so this might be a change worth doing.

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If the concern is about the overhead of the Stateless Reset Token fiel= d of the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame, the other option might be to make the f= ield optional. I am not sure why the field is mandatory, even though not = all endpoints are required to send Stateless Resets.

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Due to birthday problem a reset could affect the wrong connection with a real world probability if it is too short. Especially when servers do not coordinate and when state is lost between reboots.

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----==_mimepart_5befdf71d1210_1cad3fb2a56d45c422408e-- From nobody Sat Nov 17 02:36:14 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 552D7130DCD for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2018 02:36:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oWAtCML1q91u for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2018 02:36:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A56DE130DC9 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2018 02:36:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2018 02:36:09 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542450969; bh=bIeOdj/BTLMx5VFJkgthJjkRQ2qHULHKSRRPiUBe4t0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=IqmVWdzowVOuil9wyElhCZ2kRVqS+lto4fZZyV8WXtBqGHq+DPIei2kHXnYegH5wv Rp1v3jxROTL2tfJe2ZtfB5YjBrQYowzfYoY64QUvXA1/kjw/LQGaKvLKPUovfFU3Ur gjhSWaDm5Eg+XK11YRvvMNLiUO417TfuAP+OJglw= From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Why are stateless reset tokens 16 bytes long? (#2018) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5befef199e455_6ccd3fe6f44d45c0656379"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2018 10:36:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5befef199e455_6ccd3fe6f44d45c0656379 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable @mikkelfj: I don't see how the birthday problem comes into play here.=0D Let's run some numbers. Assume a cluster that is serving 1 million (=E2=89= =88 2^20) connections at the same time, each of them using 16 (2^4) conne= ction IDs at the same time. To have a chance of 1 millionth (=E2=89=88 2^= -20) to disrupt a random connection of those, an attacker would have inje= ct 1 million packets. -- = You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2018#issuecomment-439606947= ----==_mimepart_5befef199e455_6ccd3fe6f44d45c0656379 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@mikkelfj: I don't see how the birthday problem comes into p= lay here.
Let's run some numbers. Assume a cluster that is serving 1 million (=E2=89= =88 2^20) connections at the same time, each of them using 16 (2^4) conne= ction IDs at the same time. To have a chance of 1 millionth (=E2=89=88 2^= -20) to disrupt a random connection of those, an attacker would have inje= ct 1 million packets.

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Generally speaking, I prefer having the same level of protection for r= esets as we have for other types of injection; i.e. use a token that is a= s large as the AEAD tag.

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I think endpoint should actively resend lost packets without timer. The endpoint already knows which packets are lost, so it can just start to resend them. After they are sent, start timer again.

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Thanks for the feedback everyone. > @@ -771,10 +771,9 @@ used for QUIC packet protection is the AEAD that is negotiated for use with the TLS connection. For example, if TLS is using the TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256, the AEAD_AES_128_GCM function is used. -QUIC packets are protected prior to applying packet number protection -({{pn-encrypt}}). The unprotected packet number is part of the associated data -(A). When removing packet protection, an endpoint first removes the protection -from the packet number. +Packets are protected prior to applying header protection ({{header-protect}}). I considered this, but the fact is that we also protect the header, so payload is equally misleading, perhaps more so. > +with the remaining bytes. + +{{pseudo-hp}} shows a sample algorithm for applying header protection. Removing +protection only differs in the order in which the packet number length +(pn_length) is determined. + +~~~ +mask = header_protection(hp_key, sample) + +pn_length = (packet[0] & 0x03) + 1 +if packet[0] & 0x80 == 0x80: + # Long header: 4 bits masked + packet[0] ^= mask[0] & 0x0f +else: + # Short header: 5 bits masked + packet[0] ^= mask[0] & 0x1f We can't encrypt this value. > +protection only differs in the order in which the packet number length +(pn_length) is determined. + +~~~ +mask = header_protection(hp_key, sample) + +pn_length = (packet[0] & 0x03) + 1 +if packet[0] & 0x80 == 0x80: + # Long header: 4 bits masked + packet[0] ^= mask[0] & 0x0f +else: + # Short header: 5 bits masked + packet[0] ^= mask[0] & 0x1f + +# pn_offset is the start of the Packet Number field. +packet[pn_offset:pn_offset+pn_length] ^= mask[1:1+pn_length] We don't explain what `^` means either. > +Before a TLS ciphersuite can be used with QUIC, a header protection algorithm +MUST be specified for the AEAD used with that ciphersuite. This document +defines algorithms for AEAD_AES_128_GCM, AEAD_AES_128_CCM, AEAD_AES_256_GCM, +AEAD_AES_256_CCM (all AES AEADs are defined in {{!AEAD=RFC5116}}), and +AEAD_CHACHA20_POLY1305 {{!CHACHA=RFC8439}}. + + +### Header Protection Sample {#hp-sample} + +The header protection algorithm uses both the header protection key and a sample +of the ciphertext from the packet Payload field. + +The same number of bytes are always sampled, but an allowance needs to be made +for the endpoint removing protection, which will not know the length of the +Packet Number field. In sampling the packet ciphertext, the Packet Number field +is assumed to be 4 bytes long (its maximum possible encoded length), unless Please take this discussion to an issue. This will be lost here. > @@ -3271,15 +3257,35 @@ Header Form: : The most significant bit (0x80) of byte 0 (the first byte) is set to 1 for long headers. -Long Packet Type: +Fixed Bit: + +: The next bit (0x40) of byte 0 is set to 1. Packets containing a zero value + for this bit are not valid packets in this version. Not quite the same way. This can be detected using public information, so you don't need to run a constant-time decryption on that packet. > -: The fourth bit (0x10) of byte 0 is set to 1. +: The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x18) of byte 0 are reserved. These + bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of + {{QUIC-TLS}}). The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0. An + endpoint MUST treat receipt of a packet that has a non-zero value for these + bits after removing protection as a connection error of type + PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. Right, and this is covered in the -tls doc: https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-tls.html#pn-encrypt-analysis > @@ -3677,7 +3666,7 @@ wishes to perform a stateless retry (see {{validate-handshake}}). 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ -|1| 0x7e | +|1|1| 3 |ODCIL(4| Saving a byte is neither here nor there, but the two blocks of four unused bits was a problem. I agree, it's odd :) > -Third Bit: +: The next bit (0x40) of byte 0 is set to 1. Packets containing a zero value @DavidSchinazi, we're not doing this for you, but I'm glad you're happy. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2006#pullrequestreview-176013246 ----==_mimepart_5bf1eee243eac_4fbb3f8eabcd45b4240397 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Thanks for the feedback everyone.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -771,10 +771,9 @@ used for QUIC packet protection is the AEAD that is negotiated for use with the
 TLS connection.  For example, if TLS is using the TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256, the
 AEAD_AES_128_GCM function is used.
 
-QUIC packets are protected prior to applying packet number protection
-({{pn-encrypt}}).  The unprotected packet number is part of the associated data
-(A).  When removing packet protection, an endpoint first removes the protection
-from the packet number.
+Packets are protected prior to applying header protection ({{header-protect}}).

I considered this, but the fact is that we also protect the header, so payload is equally misleading, perhaps more so.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +with the remaining bytes.
+
+{{pseudo-hp}} shows a sample algorithm for applying header protection. Removing
+protection only differs in the order in which the packet number length
+(pn_length) is determined.
+
+~~~
+mask = header_protection(hp_key, sample)
+
+pn_length = (packet[0] & 0x03) + 1
+if packet[0] & 0x80 == 0x80:
+   # Long header: 4 bits masked
+   packet[0] ^= mask[0] & 0x0f
+else:
+   # Short header: 5 bits masked
+   packet[0] ^= mask[0] & 0x1f

We can't encrypt this value.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +protection only differs in the order in which the packet number length
+(pn_length) is determined.
+
+~~~
+mask = header_protection(hp_key, sample)
+
+pn_length = (packet[0] & 0x03) + 1
+if packet[0] & 0x80 == 0x80:
+   # Long header: 4 bits masked
+   packet[0] ^= mask[0] & 0x0f
+else:
+   # Short header: 5 bits masked
+   packet[0] ^= mask[0] & 0x1f
+
+# pn_offset is the start of the Packet Number field.
+packet[pn_offset:pn_offset+pn_length] ^= mask[1:1+pn_length]

We don't explain what ^ means either.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +Before a TLS ciphersuite can be used with QUIC, a header protection algorithm
+MUST be specified for the AEAD used with that ciphersuite.  This document
+defines algorithms for AEAD_AES_128_GCM, AEAD_AES_128_CCM, AEAD_AES_256_GCM,
+AEAD_AES_256_CCM (all AES AEADs are defined in {{!AEAD=RFC5116}}), and
+AEAD_CHACHA20_POLY1305 {{!CHACHA=RFC8439}}.
+
+
+### Header Protection Sample {#hp-sample}
+
+The header protection algorithm uses both the header protection key and a sample
+of the ciphertext from the packet Payload field.
+
+The same number of bytes are always sampled, but an allowance needs to be made
+for the endpoint removing protection, which will not know the length of the
+Packet Number field.  In sampling the packet ciphertext, the Packet Number field
+is assumed to be 4 bytes long (its maximum possible encoded length), unless

Please take this discussion to an issue. This will be lost here.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3271,15 +3257,35 @@ Header Form:
 : The most significant bit (0x80) of byte 0 (the first byte) is set to 1 for
   long headers.
 
-Long Packet Type:
+Fixed Bit:
+
+: The next bit (0x40) of byte 0 is set to 1.  Packets containing a zero value
+  for this bit are not valid packets in this version.

Not quite the same way. This can be detected using public information, so you don't need to run a constant-time decryption on that packet.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-: The fourth bit (0x10) of byte 0 is set to 1.
+: The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x18) of byte 0 are reserved.  These
+  bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of
+  {{QUIC-TLS}}).  The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0.  An
+  endpoint MUST treat receipt of a packet that has a non-zero value for these
+  bits after removing protection as a connection error of type
+  PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.

Right, and this is covered in the -tls doc: https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-tls.html#pn-encrypt-analysis

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3677,7 +3666,7 @@ wishes to perform a stateless retry (see {{validate-handshake}}).
  0                   1                   2                   3
  0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
-|1|    0x7e     |
+|1|1| 3 |ODCIL(4|

Saving a byte is neither here nor there, but the two blocks of four unused bits was a problem. I agree, it's odd :)

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Third Bit:
+: The next bit (0x40) of byte 0 is set to 1.  Packets containing a zero value

@DavidSchinazi, we're not doing this for you, but I'm glad you're happy.

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Closed #1941 via #2012.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +protection only differs in the order in which the packet number length
+(pn_length) is determined.
+
+~~~
+mask = header_protection(hp_key, sample)
+
+pn_length = (packet[0] & 0x03) + 1
+if packet[0] & 0x80 == 0x80:
+   # Long header: 4 bits masked
+   packet[0] ^= mask[0] & 0x0f
+else:
+   # Short header: 5 bits masked
+   packet[0] ^= mask[0] & 0x1f
+
+# pn_offset is the start of the Packet Number field.
+packet[pn_offset:pn_offset+pn_length] ^= mask[1:1+pn_length]

but ^ isn't ambiguous to those who know about it (which is like everyone)

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4276,12 +4280,12 @@ An endpoint uses a=
 STOP_SENDING frame (type=3D0x05) to communicate that incoming
 data is being discarded on receipt at application request.  This signals=
 a peer
 to abruptly terminate transmission on a stream.
 =

-Receipt of a STOP_SENDING frame is only valid for a send stream that exi=
sts and
-is not in the "Ready" state (see {{stream-send-states}}).  Rec=
eiving a
-STOP_SENDING frame for a send stream that is "Ready" or non-ex=
istent MUST be
-treated as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.  An endpoint t=
hat
-receives a STOP_SENDING frame for a receive-only stream MUST terminate t=
he
-connection with error PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.
+Receipt of a STOP_SENDING frame is invalid for a locally-initiated strea=
m which
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-Receipt of a STOP_SENDING frame is invalid fo=
r a locally-initiated stream which
+Receipt of a STOP_SENDING frame is invalid for a locally-initiated strea=
m that

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4276,12 +4280,12 @@ An endpoint uses a=
 STOP_SENDING frame (type=3D0x05) to communicate that incoming
 data is being discarded on receipt at application request.  This signals=
 a peer
 to abruptly terminate transmission on a stream.
 =

-Receipt of a STOP_SENDING frame is only valid for a send stream that exi=
sts and
-is not in the "Ready" state (see {{stream-send-states}}).  Rec=
eiving a
-STOP_SENDING frame for a send stream that is "Ready" or non-ex=
istent MUST be
-treated as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.  An endpoint t=
hat
-receives a STOP_SENDING frame for a receive-only stream MUST terminate t=
he
-connection with error PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.
+Receipt of a STOP_SENDING frame is invalid for a locally-initiated strea=
m which
+does not exist or is in the "Ready" state (see {{stream-send-s=
tates}}).
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-does not exist or is in the "Ready" state (se=
e {{stream-send-states}}).
+has not yet been created or is in the "Ready" state (see {{stream-send-s=
tates}}).

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@kazuho's reasoning is what drove the decision here. It might be the case that 16 octets is overkill, but there isn't a huge advantage in shaving this down. The cost isn't significant.

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@kazuho requested changes on this pull request.

As noted on #2006 (comment) (sorry for not making = it a review comment), I think you need to change the definition of Statel= ess Reset.

It currently says:

 0                   1                   2                   3=

 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|0|K|1|1|0|0|0|0|
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|                      Random Bytes (160..)                   ...
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|                                                               |

IIUC, this needs to be something like below (though, I am not sure if = the spin bit needs to be random in this case).

 0                   1                   2                   3=

 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
+-+-+
|0|1|
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|                      Random Bits (166..)                    ...
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2271,8 +2269,8 @@ following layout:
 This design ensures that a stateless reset packet is - to the extent possible -
 indistinguishable from a regular packet with a short header.
 
-The message consists of a header byte, followed by an arbitrary number of random
-bytes, followed by a Stateless Reset Token.
+The message consists of the first two fixed bits of the packet header, followed
+by an arbitrary number of random bytes, followed by a Stateless Reset Token.

Would it make sense to state like "followed by six (6) bits plus an arbitrary number of bytes in random"?

The fear I have with the current text is that it might imply that Stateless Reset Token starts at the 2 + 8n bit of the packet.

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We assume that every TLS 1.3 cipher suite has a 16 byte expansion. TLS_AES_128_CCM_8_SHA256 doesn't.

The most sensible options seem to be:

  1. Leave header protection for this suite undefined, and explain that this particular suite can't be used as a result. A later extension might be defined that could be used to enable this suite.
  2. Require that len(payload) + aead_expansion be at least the sample size, meaning that padding is required for suites that have a short authentication tag.

We could put a flat prohibition on the use of this cipher suite. I don't consider this particular suite to be a good choice for a general-purpose protocol and have reservations about its value in the domain it is design for. But it is a "recommended" cipher suite and we need to be principled in our approach. I prefer the former option on that basis.

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----==_mimepart_5bf24836145f5_65d33fe5394d45b42592ee-- From nobody Sun Nov 18 21:48:32 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46C6B128D68 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2018 21:48:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R6wafGUmHKGe for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2018 21:48:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F44A128A6E for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2018 21:48:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2018 21:48:27 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542606507; bh=+eQPto7gNPWt7zaV4YrqqIGK39EGqJUmkRfRioFCbZY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=0JTZdsBFNoe/7FTClcntS6HXUCX9idjewj/RXV8J55n+M+l88Ny1582p57UMjqsMi y026ZIxqwvCP0+E2PvOScVZjo8OQJ5WVaGHhnM8PRyiCAz63zqfL2rX14l3IzoWMFd 7XiriK/0TKUFbqVtoboYGM1F213gasAjuDDBCuT0= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] TLS_AES_128_CCM_8_SHA256 (#2019) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bf24eabce56e_67463f80abcd45b8824992"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 05:48:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bf24eabce56e_67463f80abcd45b8824992 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree that we do not need to have AES128-CCM8 in QUIC. At the same time, it is IMO a good idea to be less coupled to the properties of cipher-suties that we support now. That is one of the reasons I prefer @DavidSchinazi's proposed padding scheme: `length(packet number) + length(payload) >= 4` (see https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1575#issuecomment-425662595, https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2006#discussion_r234033345). The scheme not only simplifies the logic that we have for dealing with short packets but also gives us the agility to support cipher-suites with short authentication tags, i.e., the only required change would be to alter the constant (i.e. `4`) to an appropriate value. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2019#issuecomment-439778672 ----==_mimepart_5bf24eabce56e_67463f80abcd45b8824992 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I agree that we do not need to have AES128-CCM8 in QUIC.

At the same time, it is IMO a good idea to be less coupled to the prop= erties of cipher-suties that we support now. That is one of the reasons I= prefer @DavidSchinazi's proposed padding scheme: l= ength(packet number) + length(payload) >=3D 4 (see
#1575 (comment),
#2006 (comment)).

The scheme not only simplifies the logic that we have for dealing with= short packets but also gives us the agility to support cipher-suites wit= h short authentication tags, i.e., the only required change would be to a= lter the constant (i.e. 4) to an appropriate value.

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It's not really a constant. In the general case, we want to ensure that length(packet_number) + length(payload) + aead_expansion > sample_size + max_pn_encoding. The problem with the AEAD in question that aead_expansion = sample_size + 8.

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----==_mimepart_5bf25a6d11c2f_42853fc1b78d45c458668-- From nobody Sun Nov 18 22:49:30 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B22E812F1A6 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2018 22:49:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sSVZWjZmQmNa for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2018 22:49:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C270126CB6 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2018 22:49:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2018 22:49:23 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542610163; bh=XREzywY2LuDDJIcS9OfhUTxuPFYeD2iB8votHPbKPaA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=a+cF6uvvu0l/4/SdFrVFjO7BP6SKirkmtr4Y8NJISePiDae8qps3w/EQD87hh+q1v SVvPcEI9d1DO3sFmc3epNlloNvJG3KfI2O5eEirxvXMuQdx+UJv4qeqQgoaBNm1mtm H2rX60kbaVOwUtTlnHZGCXWJDuH2dQ71IfRvrMZk= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] TLS_AES_128_CCM_8_SHA256 (#2019) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bf25cf3b9af9_56493f7f762d45bc8122a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 06:49:29 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bf25cf3b9af9_56493f7f762d45bc8122a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What I mean is that if we view the equation as `length(packet_number) + length(payload) >= x`, then x becomes a per-cipher-suite constant (under the assumption that `max_pn_encoding` is a constant of 4 in v1). This is because both `aead_expansion` and `sample_size` are constants of a cipher-suite. All cipher-suites that we have defined now use 16 for the two; therefore, the right-hand-side is 4. If we adopt AES128-CCM8, (aead_expansion, sample_size) would be (16, 8), thereby the right-hand-side becomes 12. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2019#issuecomment-439788521 ----==_mimepart_5bf25cf3b9af9_56493f7f762d45bc8122a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

What I mean is that if we view the equation as length(packet_num= ber) + length(payload) >=3D x, then x becomes a per-cipher-suit= e constant (under the assumption that max_pn_encoding is a c= onstant of 4 in v1).

This is because both aead_expansion and sample_size= are constants of a cipher-suite. All cipher-suites that we have d= efined now use 16 for the two; therefore, the right-hand-side is 4. If we= adopt AES128-CCM8, (aead_expansion, sample_size) would be (16, 8), there= by the right-hand-side becomes 12.

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@siyengar, some time has passed. Do you still intend to do this?

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@ianswett, you seem to think that this is editorial, but it is still labeled design. It's clearly a hot issue. Do you have a plan to fix it?

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Could the sample size be defined to be the AEAD tag size always? There= is no point strenght in sampling padding and the overall security is bou= nded. Padding just wastes space, adds complexity elsewhere.

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I think this does not take care of the first 6 random bits since bytes are normally aligned.

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@mikkelfj I think that is a very good point. In other words, both of= the following seem to be true to me:

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  • we are not sure what the preference of the people looking for a constra= ined cipher-suite would be

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The ACK_RATIO may not be the only transport parameter we would want to change to better adapt the congestion control to specific environments. As one example, we may want to force a "pacing+60 packets" IW for high BDP networks in order to get up to speed quickly.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-: The fourth bit (0x10) of byte 0 is set to 1.
+: The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x18) of byte 0 are reserved.  These
+  bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of
+  {{QUIC-TLS}}).  The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0.  An

What important purpose is served by requiring the value of these bits to be 0? This precludes the use of these bits for experimental purposes, like VEC and LOSS detection.

Before the use of these bits is standardized, the risk of middleboxes ossifying occasional experimental use of the bits seems less significant than the loss of opportunity to experiment.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-: The fourth bit (0x10) of byte 0 is set to 1.
+: The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x18) of byte 0 are reserved.  These
+  bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of
+  {{QUIC-TLS}}).  The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0.  An

They're set to 0 prior to protection, which means a middlebox can't use them anyway unless you share the header protection key with it.

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Suppose that two parties negotiate experimentation with error detectio= n, using either version negotiation or transport parameters. The only req= uirement would be to set the VEC or ERR bits after packet header protecti= on when sending, and to reset them to zero just before AEAD decryption wh= en receiving. You could specify that as part of the negotiation.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-: The fourth bit (0x10) of byte 0 is set to 1.
+: The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x18) of byte 0 are reserved.  These
+  bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of
+  {{QUIC-TLS}}).  The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0.  An

The header protection is an XOR with a mask. Setting these bits to a desired experimental value after the header protection is applied (after XOR) works ok, if the other endpoint did not require the bits to be 0 after the header protection is removed.

Hence the question -- why a hard requirement to have these bits 0 after removing header protection, if the endpoint does not use these bits for anything?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-: The fourth bit (0x10) of byte 0 is set to 1.
+: The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x18) of byte 0 are reserved.  These
+  bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of
+  {{QUIC-TLS}}).  The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0.  An

Because otherwise they become scratch space where a middlebox could place a persistent marking on the packets. If peers want to discard integrity checks on some portion of the data they send/receive, they can certainly do so -- but not unilaterally. By default, modification of the packet makes the packet invalid.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-: The fourth bit (0x10) of byte 0 is set to 1.
+: The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x18) of byte 0 are reserved.  These
+  bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of
+  {{QUIC-TLS}}).  The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0.  An

Surely AEAD verification would prevent scratch spaces regardless of whether the value is checked or not?

But I can see that setting the value to 0 simplifies future extensions or experiments.

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@DavidSchinazi commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +Before a TLS ciphersuite can be used with QUIC, a header protection algorithm
+MUST be specified for the AEAD used with that ciphersuite.  This document
+defines algorithms for AEAD_AES_128_GCM, AEAD_AES_128_CCM, AEAD_AES_256_GCM,
+AEAD_AES_256_CCM (all AES AEADs are defined in {{!AEAD=RFC5116}}), and
+AEAD_CHACHA20_POLY1305 {{!CHACHA=RFC8439}}.
+
+
+### Header Protection Sample {#hp-sample}
+
+The header protection algorithm uses both the header protection key and a sample
+of the ciphertext from the packet Payload field.
+
+The same number of bytes are always sampled, but an allowance needs to be made
+for the endpoint removing protection, which will not know the length of the
+Packet Number field.  In sampling the packet ciphertext, the Packet Number field
+is assumed to be 4 bytes long (its maximum possible encoded length), unless

That would be #1575

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----==_mimepart_5bf3026dcae6b_22a13febf80d45c07213a-- From nobody Mon Nov 19 10:41:50 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2202B130DF4 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 10:41:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f_ZHwPbK6T4i for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 10:41:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EDDB7130DF3 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 10:41:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=InhbD5cQ7xPmZV3dxGa9xVYByiY=; b=UZ8s0xKCRtr/LHBL bib73yu68Mp7LQVDQZrYpHqfk946ko9QM/44EMGbXG18XEh6vwTlfxPaD5POFQBT kKa3xw89P6N+bKOIU6IRqYH6nlRT7PjrViOcPUT8B0UKzZbTvPlyPQRCr39Rr0Y3 /FfUeO3ZgSVKCqb4Hl6bqv+4HI8= Received: by filter0335p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0335p1iad2-30995-5BF303E8-41 2018-11-19 18:41:44.961979207 +0000 UTC m=+325222.818469171 Received: from github-lowworker-39ccb07.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.40]) by ismtpd0008p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 2hdnwGg1Q1Cqi2U2ddEL-A for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 18:41:44.903 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-39ccb07.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBE59400D12 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 10:41:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 18:41:45 +0000 (UTC) From: David Schinazi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] TLS_AES_128_CCM_8_SHA256 (#2019) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bf303e8daae1_5ee3fc55aad45bc7382a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DavidSchinazi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1Pbwe3/ds2fnvtRiRpVyfUQapj8dvmBItmA4 TNK7YhS1ldsW9JmX7uQ7+Jm9awyTbmsokA7wziocn1H+wo7F0mfe2PHR3Of7NmOTC9ZZ/mMHxnOUwj tgcnPS1HFwH07BEd60lM4i5f9YtbuzOf89f4MdtnQ1Rcd8CMwiIilWASTYtvMIMFFSy5c8Ciscntf7 o= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 18:41:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bf303e8daae1_5ee3fc55aad45bc7382a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @mikkelfj I believe your point about padding is incorrect. The PNE algorithm samples the ciphertext, so whether it was padding or application data is irrelevant. I still think there's value in always padding to ensure `length(packet number) + length(payload) >= 4`, but I agree that we should ignore CCM8 in the QUICv1 specs. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2019#issuecomment-439998334 ----==_mimepart_5bf303e8daae1_5ee3fc55aad45bc7382a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@mikkelfj I believe your point about padding is incorrect. The PNE a= lgorithm samples the ciphertext, so whether it was padding or application d= ata is irrelevant.

I still think there's value in always padding to ensure length(pac= ket number) + length(payload) >=3D 4, but I agree that we should = ignore CCM8 in the QUICv1 specs.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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-Third Bit:
+: The next bit (0x40) of byte 0 is set to 1.  Packets containing a zero value

I realize that, but I just wanted to let you know it was important to us (i.e. please let us know if you plan to change this)

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And since the importance of packet integrity is larger than the importance of packet number secrecy, the security bound is also the tag length.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Third Bit:
+: The next bit (0x40) of byte 0 is set to 1.  Packets containing a zero value

I agree with @DavidSchinazi. This is important to us (@litespeedtech) as well. Please give a heads up should the plans for bit 0x40 change.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-: The fourth bit (0x10) of byte 0 is set to 1.
+: The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x18) of byte 0 are reserved.  These
+  bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of
+  {{QUIC-TLS}}).  The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0.  An

Right. An AEAD verification would prevent modification by middleboxes -- a desirable property. Insistence on the value being 0 prevents experimental use for the purposes that do not require two cooperating endpoints (like Loss bit).

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1318,9 +1318,10 @@ packet is received from the server, the client MUST use the same value unless it
 abandons the connection attempt and starts a new one. The initial Destination
 Connection ID is used to determine packet protection keys for Initial packets.
 
-A client SHOULD select a Destination Connection ID length long enough to fulfill
-the minimum for every QUIC version it supports. This increases the chance
-subsequent Initial packets are routed to the same server.
+The final version used for a connection might be different from the version of
+the first Initial from the client.  To enable consistent routing through the
+handshake, a client SHOULD select a Destination Connection ID length long enough

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IIRC, the reason this wasn't stated before is that you shouldn't be routing based on a client-chosen CID to begin with. Implying that you can/do sometimes is encouraging bad behavior.

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Updated with Martin's suggestion: End of stream data is end of message, but you SHOULD be consuming partial messages without waiting for the end. End of stream with a partial message is an error.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3981,6 +3979,12 @@ A client MUST NOT include an original connection ID, a stateless reset token, or
 a preferred address.  A server MUST treat receipt of any of these transport
 parameters as a connection error of type TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR.
 
+max_connection_ids (0x000e):
+
+: The maximum number of connection IDs that the peer is willing to store.
+  This value includes only connection IDs sent in NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames.

Why "only" connection IDs sent in NCID frames? The CIDs provided in the handshake and SPA consume space in this list, get retired, etc. If they don't count toward this limit, that would suggest that I'll be temporarily 1-2 over the limit early in the connection, then drift down to the limit as I retire those CIDs. That doesn't seem like the desired effect.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1318,9 +1318,10 @@ packet is received from the server, the client MUST use the same value unless it
 abandons the connection attempt and starts a new one. The initial Destination
 Connection ID is used to determine packet protection keys for Initial packets.
 
-A client SHOULD select a Destination Connection ID length long enough to fulfill
-the minimum for every QUIC version it supports. This increases the chance
-subsequent Initial packets are routed to the same server.
+The final version used for a connection might be different from the version of
+the first Initial from the client.  To enable consistent routing through the
+handshake, a client SHOULD select a Destination Connection ID length long enough

I gave that feedback to github on this feature - that you can handle line lengths.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

-: The fourth bit (0x10) of byte 0 is set to 1.
+: The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x18) of byte 0 are reserved. =
 These
+  bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of
+  {{QUIC-TLS}}).  The value included prior to protection MUST be set to =
0.  An

I see that as a feature, rather than a bug. We=E2=80=99re making it ha= rder for one endpoint to expose potentially privacy sensitive information= to third parties, if its peer isn=E2=80=99t consenting. Of course, we ca= n never fully prevent that, but at least we can make it harder and increa= se the overhead for that.

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I'm closing this, since the spin bit is now in the draft. If we find that this doesn't yet have consensus, happy to reopen it. We can figure out editorial considerations amongst the editors.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-: The fourth bit (0x10) of byte 0 is set to 1.
+: The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x18) of byte 0 are reserved.  These
+  bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of
+  {{QUIC-TLS}}).  The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0.  An

If you want to negotiate a new version, you can assign these bits however you choose in that version. Or, in this version, you could negotiate an extension that sets these in different ways (though probably only in short headers in practice). That extension could also decide to remove any encryption. So yes, you could use the spare bits for a VEC, if both peers agreed that was a good idea.

Until that time, this is protecting those bits the best way we know how.

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These + bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of + {{QUIC-TLS}}). The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0. An @marten-seemann, as you said, it is impossible to prevent one party from disclosing anything about the connection to any third party. No shenanigans can make a dent in the amount or quality of info disclosed by a determined party. However, this setup can make it harder to troubleshoot network operations (if that involves unilaterally setting these bits for experimentation). @martinthomson, yes, and the original comment was looking for a clarification of the threat that we are "protecting those bits the best way we know how". Is it protecting the bits from an endpoint bent on disclosing some private information to a third party? Or is it protecting from an endpoint accidentally exposing some information while trying to run an experiment (i.e. since one cannot be sure that everyone will run safe experiments, no one is allowed to run experiments unilaterally)? Or is it protecting from a middlebox ossifying some experimental usage of these bits? Or is it protecting from something else? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2006#discussion_r234800735 ----==_mimepart_5bf334d736ed3_7ec63ff4b1ad45b829684 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-: The fourth bit (0x10) of byte 0 is set to 1.
+: The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x18) of byte 0 are reserved.  These
+  bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of
+  {{QUIC-TLS}}).  The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0.  An

@marten-seemann, as you said, it is impossible to prevent one party from disclosing anything about the connection to any third party. No shenanigans can make a dent in the amount or quality of info disclosed by a determined party. However, this setup can make it harder to troubleshoot network operations (if that involves unilaterally setting these bits for experimentation).

@martinthomson, yes, and the original comment was looking for a clarification of the threat that we are "protecting those bits the best way we know how". Is it protecting the bits from an endpoint bent on disclosing some private information to a third party? Or is it protecting from an endpoint accidentally exposing some information while trying to run an experiment (i.e. since one cannot be sure that everyone will run safe experiments, no one is allowed to run experiments unilaterally)? Or is it protecting from a middlebox ossifying some experimental usage of these bits? Or is it protecting from something else?

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
 A response MAY consist of multiple messages when and only when one or more
 informational responses (1xx, see {{!RFC7231}}, Section 6.2) precede a final
 response to the same request.  Non-final responses do not contain a payload body
 or trailers.
 
 An HTTP request/response exchange fully consumes a bidirectional QUIC stream.
-After sending a request, a client closes the stream for sending; after sending a
-final response, the server closes the stream for sending and the QUIC stream is
-fully closed.  Requests and responses are considered complete when the
-corresponding QUIC stream is closed in the appropriate direction.
+After sending a request, a client SHOULD close the stream for sending; after
+sending a final response, the server SHOULD close the stream for sending. At

I think we need to use "MUST" here. Otherwise, a peer can never notice the end of the message unless trailers are used.

Other than that, the PR looks good to me. I like the language that encourages endpoints to start processing early.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-: The fourth bit (0x10) of byte 0 is set to 1.
+: The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x18) of byte 0 are reserved.  These
+  bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of
+  {{QUIC-TLS}}).  The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0.  An

@igorlord I think @marten-seemann is correct here.

If we say that the bits on the wire is hard-coded to zero, the bits face ossification.
If we say that the bits can be anything, it could be used by an endpoint for any purpose without peer's consent (which is a privacy risk as Marten points out).

By saying that the bits will be set to zero (before encryption) and then encrypted, we prevent ossification and also require peer's consent when an endpoint want to use the bit for other purposes.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-: The fourth bit (0x10) of byte 0 is set to 1.
+: The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x18) of byte 0 are reserved.  These
+  bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of
+  {{QUIC-TLS}}).  The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0.  An

@kazuho, the suggestion is not bits-on-the-wire are 0 (which is an ossification concern).

The suggestion is that bits can be anything and they are AEAD protected but not masked -- just like the latency spin bit. They could be set randomly or not randomly -- up to the endpoint. An endpoint can already disclose any and all info to anyone without peer's consent, and these bits are by far not the most convenient mechanism for such disclosures.

Do I understand it correctly that the worry is about an accidental and not a deliberate disclosure? (I do not think a worry about ossification of some experimental use it warranted, do you?)

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-: The fourth bit (0x10) of byte 0 is set to 1.
+: The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x18) of byte 0 are reserved.  These
+  bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of
+  {{QUIC-TLS}}).  The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0.  An

@igorlord

The suggestion is that bits can be anything and they are AEAD protected but not masked -- just like the latency spin bit.

Thank you for the clarification. I understand that.

They could be set randomly or not randomly -- up to the endpoint.

That means that most endpoints will be required to set them randomly, at least initially. The issue here is that you need to randomize the bits separately, rather than just relying on header protection to randomize the bits. It is an complication.

An endpoint can already disclose any and all info to anyone without peer's consent, and these bits are by far not the most convenient mechanism for such disclosures.

If that is the case, why do we need to care about the bits? If the endpoints have an easier way to expose the information, can't they just be randomized using header protection?

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----==_mimepart_5bf340b51b4d1_16f93f901bed45b426924-- From nobody Mon Nov 19 15:19:35 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B52B3130DEE for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 15:19:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NJp0jbLlRONl for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 15:19:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 382F7127598 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 15:19:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 15:19:30 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542669570; bh=xoLRAD0xFuqj6mt5/93vmGmQqj9Zc070DntZWDeB/6o=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=YawDOfC1mTTiBVYA2aa5lHG57eGzoDJH9x1LTPy+KuyNY3PFuamafTh4aRv+FeHgR GOP/IYWx9rFqaM39CzuOsuM50GlTANybXBBQmcwdlm1LY8nB5r1SlSneP988w2Y7rJ /qHL0Z5IPMtmWDq7fR5TS05sdlLAvYGXqMZemvfc= From: Alexandre Ferrieux Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] First byte changes (#2006) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bf345023afef_701c3fd78cad45b4913fd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ferrieux X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 23:19:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bf345023afef_701c3fd78cad45b4913fd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ferrieux commented on this pull request. > -: The fourth bit (0x10) of byte 0 is set to 1. +: The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x18) of byte 0 are reserved. These + bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of + {{QUIC-TLS}}). The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0. An @kazuho > That means that endpoints (that do not have a way to "use" the bits) will be required to set them randomly. The issue here is that you need to randomize the bits separately, rather than just relying on header protection to randomize the bits. It is an unnecessary complexity. A PRNG is already needed for the spin bit's anonimity set, and for its fixed per-conneciton value when not spinning. A tiny increment, then, compared to the weight of version deployment for anybody willing to experiment with these "reserved" (should be called "frozen") bits. > > An endpoint can already disclose any and all info to anyone without peer's consent, and these bits are by far not the most convenient mechanism for such disclosures. > > If that is the case, why do we need to care about the bits? If the endpoints have an easier way to expose the information, can't they just be randomized using header protection? What Igor means, I think, is that the protection against unilateral disclosure of *anything* is negligible (for one, the endpoint could send unencrypted copies of the entire flow somewhere else). While using the reserved bits (which were designed for exactly this) is clearly the most efficient way for on-path signalling (no overhead ; same-tuple ; sync with flow). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2006#discussion_r234818900 ----==_mimepart_5bf345023afef_701c3fd78cad45b4913fd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-: The fourth bit (0x10) of byte 0 is set to 1.
+: The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x18) of byte 0 are reserved.  These
+  bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of
+  {{QUIC-TLS}}).  The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0.  An

@kazuho

That means that endpoints (that do not have a way to "use" the bits) will be required to set them randomly. The issue here is that you need to randomize the bits separately, rather than just relying on header protection to randomize the bits. It is an unnecessary complexity.

A PRNG is already needed for the spin bit's anonimity set, and for its fixed per-conneciton value when not spinning. A tiny increment, then, compared to the weight of version deployment for anybody willing to experiment with these "reserved" (should be called "frozen") bits.

An endpoint can already disclose any and all info to anyone without peer's consent, and these bits are by far not the most convenient mechanism for such disclosures.

If that is the case, why do we need to care about the bits? If the endpoints have an easier way to expose the information, can't they just be randomized using header protection?

What Igor means, I think, is that the protection against unilateral disclosure of anything is negligible (for one, the endpoint could send unencrypted copies of the entire flow somewhere else). While using the reserved bits (which were designed for exactly this) is clearly the most efficient way for on-path signalling (no overhead ; same-tuple ; sync with flow).

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-: The fourth bit (0x10) of byte 0 is set to 1.
+: The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x18) of byte 0 are reserved.  These
+  bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of
+  {{QUIC-TLS}}).  The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0.  An

@kazuho

An endpoint can already disclose any and all info to anyone without peer's consent, and these bits are by far not the most convenient mechanism for such disclosures.

If that is the case, why do we need to care about the bits? If the endpoints have an easier way to expose the information, can't they just be randomized using header protection?

An endpoint deliberately trying to compromise the connection's privacy can do it easily (and will likely use a more structured info channel for that purpose). However, an endpoint that is not trying to leak information and is just tagging packets for VEC or Loss detection or other operational purpose would find these bits a lot more convenient. That said, I understand the concern about some inadvertent disclosure by a poorly designed experiment (if this is the concern).

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These + bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of + {{QUIC-TLS}}). The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0. An @ferrieux > A PRNG is already needed for the spin bit's anonimity set, and for its fixed per-conneciton value when not spinning. A tiny increment, then, compared to the weight of version deployment for anybody willing to experiment with these "reserved" (should be called "frozen") bits. Runtime overhead is the issue here; I do not think requiring endpoints to call CSPRNG for every packet they send is a good idea (note: use of non-cryptographically secure RNG is a way to leak PN). Re providing the freedom to "experiment", please see my comment below. > While using the reserved bits (which were designed for exactly this) is clearly the most efficient way for on-path signalling (no overhead ; same-tuple ; sync with flow). While I do not think reserved bits are "designed" for on-path signaling, I agree that it is a convenient way for exposing signals. The trade-off here is if we want to pay the extra cost of calling CSPRNG for every packet we send, to provide the endpoints to use the bits exposing information to on-path devices without peers' consent. @igorlord > However, an endpoint that is not trying to leak information and is just tagging packets for VEC or Loss detection or other operational purpose would find these bits a lot more convenient. That said, I understand the concern about some inadvertent disclosure by a poorly designed experiment (if this is the concern). Yes. That is exactly the concern. Remember that we were uncertain about the privacy concerns of the spin bit for very long time (IIRC the risk of exposing the latency of the hidden path behind a VPN was brought up pretty recently). I think that we should allow endpoints to use the bits for exposing information only when extensive privacy analysis has been done and the WG is convinced. Protecting the bits under header protection is the easiest way to guarantee that. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2006#discussion_r234830722 ----==_mimepart_5bf3537db0080_3d213fd0346d45b811428e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@kazuho commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-: The fourth bit (0x10) of byte 0 is set to 1.
+: The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x18) of byte 0 are reserved.  These
+  bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of
+  {{QUIC-TLS}}).  The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0.  An

@ferrieux

A PRNG is already needed for the spin bit's anonimity set, and for its fixed per-conneciton value when not spinning. A tiny increment, then, compared to the weight of version deployment for anybody willing to experiment with these "reserved" (should be called "frozen") bits.

Runtime overhead is the issue here; I do not think requiring endpoints to call CSPRNG for every packet they send is a good idea (note: use of non-cryptographically secure RNG is a way to leak PN). Re providing the freedom to "experiment", please see my comment below.

While using the reserved bits (which were designed for exactly this) is clearly the most efficient way for on-path signalling (no overhead ; same-tuple ; sync with flow).

While I do not think reserved bits are "designed" for on-path signaling, I agree that it is a convenient way for exposing signals.

The trade-off here is if we want to pay the extra cost of calling CSPRNG for every packet we send, to provide the endpoints to use the bits exposing information to on-path devices without peers' consent.

@igorlord

However, an endpoint that is not trying to leak information and is just tagging packets for VEC or Loss detection or other operational purpose would find these bits a lot more convenient. That said, I understand the concern about some inadvertent disclosure by a poorly designed experiment (if this is the concern).

Yes. That is exactly the concern. Remember that we were uncertain about the privacy concerns of the spin bit for very long time (IIRC the risk of exposing the latency of the hidden path behind a VPN was brought up pretty recently).

I think that we should allow endpoints to use the bits for exposing information only when extensive privacy analysis has been done and the WG is convinced. Protecting the bits under header protection is the easiest way to guarantee that.

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Fixes #934. If loss time is set, we should account for it in deciding whether or not the packet was lost. This helps in the case that a packet is sent while the early retransmit alarm was set.

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  • Account for loss_time in DetectLostPackets

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@martinthomson put up #2021. Sorry about the delay

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@martinthomson approved this pull request.

Iff you take the suggestions.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  =

 A response MAY consist of multiple messages when and only when one or mo=
re
 informational responses (1xx, see {{!RFC7231}}, Section 6.2) precede a f=
inal
 response to the same request.  Non-final responses do not contain a payl=
oad body
 or trailers.
 =

 An HTTP request/response exchange fully consumes a bidirectional QUIC st=
ream.
-After sending a request, a client closes the stream for sending; after s=
ending a
-final response, the server closes the stream for sending and the QUIC st=
ream is
-fully closed.  Requests and responses are considered complete when the
-corresponding QUIC stream is closed in the appropriate direction.
+After sending a request, a client SHOULD close the stream for sending; a=
fter
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-After sending a request, a client SHOULD clos=
e the stream for sending; after
+After sending a request, a client MUST close the stream for sending; aft=
er

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  =

 A response MAY consist of multiple messages when and only when one or mo=
re
 informational responses (1xx, see {{!RFC7231}}, Section 6.2) precede a f=
inal
 response to the same request.  Non-final responses do not contain a payl=
oad body
 or trailers.
 =

 An HTTP request/response exchange fully consumes a bidirectional QUIC st=
ream.
-After sending a request, a client closes the stream for sending; after s=
ending a
-final response, the server closes the stream for sending and the QUIC st=
ream is
-fully closed.  Requests and responses are considered complete when the
-corresponding QUIC stream is closed in the appropriate direction.
+After sending a request, a client SHOULD close the stream for sending; a=
fter
+sending a final response, the server SHOULD close the stream for sending=
. At

This is me agreeing with @kazuho.

=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-sending a final response, the server SHOULD c=
lose the stream for sending. At
+sending a final response, the server MUST close the stream for sending. =
At

The nice thing is that we never really say "when".

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-: The fourth bit (0x10) of byte 0 is set to 1.
+: The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x18) of byte 0 are reserved.  These
+  bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of
+  {{QUIC-TLS}}).  The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0.  An

@kazuho

I understand the concern about some inadvertent disclosure by a poorly designed experiment (if this is the concern).

Yes. That is exactly the concern. Remember that we were uncertain about the privacy concerns of the spin bit for very long time (IIRC the risk of exposing the latency of the hidden path behind a VPN was brought up pretty recently).

The extensive analysis of a specific protocol behavior prescribed by a standard was well-advised, indeed. It allowed people to make an informed decision of whether to implement that specific behavior, and different implementers will choose differently.

I think that we should allow endpoints to use the bits for exposing information only when extensive privacy analysis has been done and the WG is convinced.

Since there is no question about any specific standard purpose to consider for these bits, this concern looks different to me. It is rather akin to "do not touch anything not approved by us -- the WG -- or you may leak something". There are plenty of ways a sender can "leak something" to the path: IP ID field / IPv6 Flow Label selection, TTL/HopLimit fields, DS/ECN fields, packet size choices, packet timings, congestion avoidance behaviors, etc. In this light, "we do not trust you with these bits" seems more effective at complicating operational experimentation than at protecting privacy.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-: The fourth bit (0x10) of byte 0 is set to 1.
+: The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x18) of byte 0 are reserved.  These
+  bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of
+  {{QUIC-TLS}}).  The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0.  An

@igorlord, I've lost track of your thread here. Are you asking for a specific change?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-: The fourth bit (0x10) of byte 0 is set to 1.
+: The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x18) of byte 0 are reserved.  These
+  bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of
+  {{QUIC-TLS}}).  The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0.  An

I do not have experience operating a network with completely opaque traffic. So it is very possible that experiments with these bits would not materialize even if the bits were available for experimentation. On the other hand, it is possible that some experiments could prove valuable to operators and not be a privacy threat.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-: The fourth bit (0x10) of byte 0 is set to 1.
+: The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x18) of byte 0 are reserved.  These
+  bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of
+  {{QUIC-TLS}}).  The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0.  An

To be clear, if client and server both agree to another use for these bits, they can be used for any purpose. It's only unilateral experimentation that is prevented by the current arrangement, which - as other have said - is intentional.

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----==_mimepart_5bf3649e6e70b_408e3fe9820d45c023408c-- From nobody Mon Nov 19 17:35:26 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9DDE128C65 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 17:35:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rBzeJz61L_dr for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 17:35:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-9.smtp.github.com (out-9.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B3BF124C04 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 17:35:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 17:35:21 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542677721; bh=XsH73yzjqAvC1ppnJ1iWCO2GpAvmQ1k7lScxeOdrsf0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=tcyl1Z0MXL2oYWqObV7IHm6B8eNRrmH3Q4qMlSrd0ssH8Fh95KctEK0/jGhQrUukk njfWHFg8f3EBhydY4od33yfDkRJNEzmb7AmH7hethE6S34sAd/0z5rMC6QcfrK+AqR WZLeoxGwaSwYMkYwwaTVrERMYwVj8g0iqTt/Yjg8= From: Igor Lubashev Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] First byte changes (#2006) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bf364d9a035e_66473fcc418d45bc1241d9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: igorlord X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 01:35:25 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bf364d9a035e_66473fcc418d45bc1241d9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit igorlord commented on this pull request. > -: The fourth bit (0x10) of byte 0 is set to 1. +: The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x18) of byte 0 are reserved. These + bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of + {{QUIC-TLS}}). The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0. An @martinthomson Sorry, the thread did get too unwieldy, indeed. The specific change: > The suggestion is that reserved bits can be anything and they are AEAD protected but not masked -- just like the latency spin bit. If not in-use for a specific purpose by the sender, the bits should be randomized. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2006#discussion_r234843065 ----==_mimepart_5bf364d9a035e_66473fcc418d45bc1241d9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-: The fourth bit (0x10) of byte 0 is set to 1.
+: The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x18) of byte 0 are reserved.  These
+  bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of
+  {{QUIC-TLS}}).  The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0.  An

@martinthomson
Sorry, the thread did get too unwieldy, indeed. The specific change:

The suggestion is that reserved bits can be anything and they are AEAD protected but not masked -- just like the latency spin bit. If not in-use for a specific purpose by the sender, the bits should be randomized.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-: The fourth bit (0x10) of byte 0 is set to 1.
+: The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x18) of byte 0 are reserved.  These
+  bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of
+  {{QUIC-TLS}}).  The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0.  An

Ack, thanks.

I'd suggest that you take this to the mailing list, and open an issue. This is one of the worst possible venues for a discussion of this type.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-: The fourth bit (0x10) of byte 0 is set to 1.
+: The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x18) of byte 0 are reserved.  These
+  bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of
+  {{QUIC-TLS}}).  The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0.  An

Ack. an issue for this makes sense,

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For example, if TLS is using the TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256, the AEAD_AES_128_GCM function is used. -QUIC packets are protected prior to applying packet number protection -({{pn-encrypt}}). The unprotected packet number is part of the associated data -(A). When removing packet protection, an endpoint first removes the protection -from the packet number. +Packets are protected prior to applying header protection ({{header-protect}}). Sigh. Naming. So how about two nouns: "packet protection" and "header protection". They're both imperfect, but at least accurate. I would then eschew usages like "Packets are protected" in favor of "Packet protection is applied". > +Before a TLS ciphersuite can be used with QUIC, a header protection algorithm +MUST be specified for the AEAD used with that ciphersuite. This document +defines algorithms for AEAD_AES_128_GCM, AEAD_AES_128_CCM, AEAD_AES_256_GCM, +AEAD_AES_256_CCM (all AES AEADs are defined in {{!AEAD=RFC5116}}), and +AEAD_CHACHA20_POLY1305 {{!CHACHA=RFC8439}}. + + +### Header Protection Sample {#hp-sample} + +The header protection algorithm uses both the header protection key and a sample +of the ciphertext from the packet Payload field. + +The same number of bytes are always sampled, but an allowance needs to be made +for the endpoint removing protection, which will not know the length of the +Packet Number field. In sampling the packet ciphertext, the Packet Number field +is assumed to be 4 bytes long (its maximum possible encoded length), unless This discussion belongs on #1575, and at any rate, I would not make this a reason for blocking this PR. I would argue that we get in what we've agreed on (which is this PR), and then continue discussion on simplification on #1575. > -: The fourth bit (0x10) of byte 0 is set to 1. +: The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x18) of byte 0 are reserved. These + bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of + {{QUIC-TLS}}). The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0. An This conversation is getting carried away. @igorlord: If the bits can be anything, and if middleboxes start using those bits as scratch space, they're effectively ossified. Endpoints can't use them anymore, since middleboxes might stomp on them in the network. How do we counter that? > -: The fourth bit (0x10) of byte 0 is set to 1. +: The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x18) of byte 0 are reserved. These + bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of + {{QUIC-TLS}}). The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0. An + endpoint MUST treat receipt of a packet that has a non-zero value for these + bits after removing protection as a connection error of type + PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. Ah, right. @martinthomson it might be worth clarifying that this is "packet protection" (see nomenclature note above) > confidentiality protection separate from packet protection, as described in - Section 5.3 of {{QUIC-TLS}}. The length of the packet number field is encoded + Section 5.4 of {{QUIC-TLS}}. The length of the packet number field is encoded in the plaintext packet number. See {{packet-encoding}} for details. @huitema The Packet Number Length field is the last two bits of the first byte (see 2 paragraphs above). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -771,10 +771,9 @@ used for QUIC packet protection is the AEAD that is negotiated for use with the
 TLS connection.  For example, if TLS is using the TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256, the
 AEAD_AES_128_GCM function is used.
 
-QUIC packets are protected prior to applying packet number protection
-({{pn-encrypt}}).  The unprotected packet number is part of the associated data
-(A).  When removing packet protection, an endpoint first removes the protection
-from the packet number.
+Packets are protected prior to applying header protection ({{header-protect}}).

Sigh. Naming. So how about two nouns: "packet protection" and "header protection". They're both imperfect, but at least accurate. I would then eschew usages like "Packets are protected" in favor of "Packet protection is applied".

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +Before a TLS ciphersuite can be used with QUIC, a header protection algorithm
+MUST be specified for the AEAD used with that ciphersuite.  This document
+defines algorithms for AEAD_AES_128_GCM, AEAD_AES_128_CCM, AEAD_AES_256_GCM,
+AEAD_AES_256_CCM (all AES AEADs are defined in {{!AEAD=RFC5116}}), and
+AEAD_CHACHA20_POLY1305 {{!CHACHA=RFC8439}}.
+
+
+### Header Protection Sample {#hp-sample}
+
+The header protection algorithm uses both the header protection key and a sample
+of the ciphertext from the packet Payload field.
+
+The same number of bytes are always sampled, but an allowance needs to be made
+for the endpoint removing protection, which will not know the length of the
+Packet Number field.  In sampling the packet ciphertext, the Packet Number field
+is assumed to be 4 bytes long (its maximum possible encoded length), unless

This discussion belongs on #1575, and at any rate, I would not make this a reason for blocking this PR. I would argue that we get in what we've agreed on (which is this PR), and then continue discussion on simplification on #1575.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-: The fourth bit (0x10) of byte 0 is set to 1.
+: The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x18) of byte 0 are reserved.  These
+  bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of
+  {{QUIC-TLS}}).  The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0.  An

This conversation is getting carried away. @igorlord: If the bits can be anything, and if middleboxes start using those bits as scratch space, they're effectively ossified. Endpoints can't use them anymore, since middleboxes might stomp on them in the network. How do we counter that?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-: The fourth bit (0x10) of byte 0 is set to 1.
+: The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x18) of byte 0 are reserved.  These
+  bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of
+  {{QUIC-TLS}}).  The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0.  An
+  endpoint MUST treat receipt of a packet that has a non-zero value for these
+  bits after removing protection as a connection error of type
+  PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.

Ah, right. @martinthomson it might be worth clarifying that this is "packet protection" (see nomenclature note above)

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>    confidentiality protection separate from packet protection, as described in
-  Section 5.3 of {{QUIC-TLS}}. The length of the packet number field is encoded
+  Section 5.4 of {{QUIC-TLS}}. The length of the packet number field is encoded
   in the plaintext packet number. See {{packet-encoding}} for details.

@huitema The Packet Number Length field is the last two bits of the first byte (see 2 paragraphs above).

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@kazuho commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +Before a TLS ciphersuite can be used with=
 QUIC, a header protection algorithm
+MUST be specified for the AEAD used with that ciphersuite.  This documen=
t
+defines algorithms for AEAD_AES_128_GCM, AEAD_AES_128_CCM, AEAD_AES_256_=
GCM,
+AEAD_AES_256_CCM (all AES AEADs are defined in {{!AEAD=3DRFC5116}}), and=

+AEAD_CHACHA20_POLY1305 {{!CHACHA=3DRFC8439}}.
+
+
+### Header Protection Sample {#hp-sample}
+
+The header protection algorithm uses both the header protection key and =
a sample
+of the ciphertext from the packet Payload field.
+
+The same number of bytes are always sampled, but an allowance needs to b=
e made
+for the endpoint removing protection, which will not know the length of =
the
+Packet Number field.  In sampling the packet ciphertext, the Packet Numb=
er field
+is assumed to be 4 bytes long (its maximum possible encoded length), unl=
ess

Agrees to @janaiyengar that this is a separate issue. F= WIW, the relevant issues are #1575 (simplification) and #2019 (support for AES128-CCM8, or possibly other cipher-suites usin= g shorter tags).

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-: The fourth bit (0x10) of byte 0 is set to 1.
+: The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x18) of byte 0 are reserved.  These
+  bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of
+  {{QUIC-TLS}}).  The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0.  An

How do we counter that?

@janaiyengar as I wrote in an earlier comment, the fields are protected as authenticated data in the AEAD tag, so middleboxes cannot change the bits without getting the packet rejected. At best they can read the bits iff they are outside header protection, but they are not.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-: The fourth bit (0x10) of byte 0 is set to 1.
+: The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x18) of byte 0 are reserved.  These
+  bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of
+  {{QUIC-TLS}}).  The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0.  An

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@NicoKos Have you seen the paper by Trammel et al? In most circumstances one bit is sufficient, and 3 bits are better but not enough to justify the complexity and probably also not the potential security implications of extra exposure.

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@MikeBishop: There's an implicit assumption though in the text about this. Are you opposed to this PR?

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(Moving a discussion about this issue from #2006 (comment))

Presently, the two Reserved bits in the short header must be 0 (after removing header protection), unless both client and server agree to use them for a specific purpose. Unilateral experimentation by the sender using these bits is intentionally disallowed.

The suggestion is to allow these reserved bits to be set at will by the sender and be AEAD protected but not masked during header protection -- just like the latency spin bit. If not in-use for a specific purpose by the sender, the bits should be randomized for greasing.

This way, the sender can use these bits in unilateral experiments (VEC, Loss bit, etc), and the middleboxes will be able to observe but not modify the bits.

There is concern that some experiment may inadvertently compromise connection privacy. Senders should be careful not to leak private information in anything they send, including IP ID fields / IPv6 Flow Labels, TTL/HopLimit fields, DS/ECN fields, packet size choices, packet timings, congestion avoidance behaviors, as well we these two Reserved short header bits.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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-: The fourth bit (0x10) of byte 0 is set to 1.
+: The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x18) of byte 0 are reserved.  These
+  bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of
+  {{QUIC-TLS}}).  The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0.  An

Opened issue #2022.

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The position I take - and others have commented similarly - is that mutual agreement is the standard we should be holding to here. The only unilateral feature we have is the spin bit, and that was subject to extensive debate and analysis.

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----==_mimepart_5bf36c454f99f_60153fd292cd45c022614-- From nobody Mon Nov 19 18:07:41 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 203DC12D4F1 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 18:07:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HGsf9eb21gxt for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 18:07:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1BAE6124BE5 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 18:07:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 18:07:37 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542679657; bh=cSSv1DrOy88Ksexb6PKXQ5wwFDJ1y2HVFHQ/SPa0HgU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=E2z5hmcsUeCF5Djw1cLQTfKpCYUhPFluxn/LyrP02gP794bhMK1+XLYWbN99bEok8 kObVMIti9hsYFhKQPCZyCkIF0skQLkxqoZK+dtlpfrpva7QKSeRsyyNd75uAM2+89L 7yLC3ZKd3y4n87kwvXSgCTkGYRdwOBEYDoRbED+I= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] First byte changes (#2006) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bf36c693d3d3_67ea3ff2eb4d45b86795aa"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 02:07:40 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bf36c693d3d3_67ea3ff2eb4d45b86795aa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit huitema commented on this pull request. > -: The fourth bit (0x10) of byte 0 is set to 1. +: The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x18) of byte 0 are reserved. These + bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of + {{QUIC-TLS}}). The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0. An I think the spec is right. In the absence of standard, the use case for VEC or ERR in V1 cannot be "manage my network". De facto, it has to be "experiment with new algorithms that would let me manage my network better". And experimenters can in fact do that, if clients and servers cooperate. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2006#discussion_r234847969 ----==_mimepart_5bf36c693d3d3_67ea3ff2eb4d45b86795aa Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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-: The fourth bit (0x10) of byte 0 is set to 1.
+: The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x18) of byte 0 are reserved.  These
+  bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of
+  {{QUIC-TLS}}).  The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0.  An

I think the spec is right. In the absence of standard, the use case for VEC or ERR in V1 cannot be "manage my network". De facto, it has to be "experiment with new algorithms that would let me manage my network better". And experimenters can in fact do that, if clients and servers cooperate.

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I don't advocate for this, but if it happens, the random greasing shou= ld just be the header protection mask, otherwise it gets expensive and ad= ditional PRNG as was pointed out earlier in the discussion.

I'd rather see text where the bits are are zeroed and masked by defaul= t, but endpoints can negotiate masked or unmasked use via extensions. (Or= masked only if people are concerned with ossification).

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What @martinthomson says.

In addition to that, there is a negative performance impact in requiri= ng the implementations not using the bits to randomize them. The requirem= ent to invoke CSPRNG for every packet generation is IMO a bad idea (note:= using a non-cryptographically-secure PRNG for the purpose would be an ea= sy way to leak PN).

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I agree with @martinthomson. We had extensive studies fo= r the privacy effect and efficiency of the spin bit. We also have studies= showing that the VEC extensions were not necessary. There may well be a = case for some error measurement extension, but it should be studied in de= tails before any large deployment. And for experimental deployment, bilat= eral agreement is probably fine. I could argue that it is in fact require= d if clients and servers are to agree to experiment with a specific error= detection algorithm.

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the random greasing should just be the header protection mask

This isn't possible - the value of the mask can be dependent on the value of these bits.

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----==_mimepart_5bf36dc589e59_77663fab136d45b8370793-- From nobody Mon Nov 19 18:15:45 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 752DF124BE5 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 18:15:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8PI4zERd0HVL for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 18:15:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C231130DC5 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 18:15:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 18:15:40 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542680140; bh=rKfbYeobfXalp3K4PhwDEJG9BHpGCiad74SGf2f2REg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=05ABrnLUkw2OvSFDS8K+3og/jwWcBveDKK7jtFVYyAdducm5tGx2hZBoNslRoxuba tsIB9F5+0SXXQodynU6xjbM8srTedN/ihhuiYQ6Q7FjnfmZTSUhUAxr0DhrO9HiCcp jsxkuemGp05ejvy0ptt8tG2uYqpAJvypbGAJCHYo= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Short header reserved bits: make available for unilateral experimentation (#2022) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bf36e4ca4d2e_155d3f86b4cd45b8561759"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 02:15:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bf36e4ca4d2e_155d3f86b4cd45b8561759 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree with @martinthomson and the corresponding WG consensus. That doesn't prevent new experimentation when both sides participate, however. And I think that's the most important feature to preserve. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2022#issuecomment-440112026 ----==_mimepart_5bf36e4ca4d2e_155d3f86b4cd45b8561759 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I agree with @martinthomson and the corresponding WG consensus.

That doesn't prevent new experimentation when both sides participate, however. And I think that's the most important feature to preserve.

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----==_mimepart_5bf36e4ca4d2e_155d3f86b4cd45b8561759-- From nobody Mon Nov 19 18:17:50 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AD4D12F1A2 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 18:17:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cniloRlooByx for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 18:17:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C5F7A128CFD for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 18:17:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 18:17:46 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542680266; bh=GdmZIWwziJYT9/mFhK1FfyONWTv6fFrvt8VMpbFtIkA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=xI4MsY60qmASvPvMQrAJ9I78CwI2rgtQDPVVZpIYY2p3fQjBc1GCZFa7TKIYcKmZC obAuM9yRgQboI7/uFAqJqEgK1mAsF5EhmEwC0Mz7NRIEltv8q0EHIYynFVarz6TNfX nZR7FnNE/ZMic/GwuwMvcAtfH4bmy+9AWxaRVNTU= From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Short header reserved bits: make available for unilateral experimentation (#2022) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bf36eca24c03_70623fa9422d45bc80242c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 02:17:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bf36eca24c03_70623fa9422d45bc80242c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As I said in https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2006#discussion_r= 234758007:=0D =0D I see that as a feature, rather than a bug. We=E2=80=99re making it harde= r for one endpoint to expose potentially privacy sensitive information to= third parties, if its peer isn=E2=80=99t consenting. Of course, we can n= ever fully prevent that, but at least we can make it harder and increase = the overhead for that. -- = You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2022#issuecomment-440112407= ----==_mimepart_5bf36eca24c03_70623fa9422d45bc80242c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

As I said in #2006 (comment):

I see that as a feature, rather than a bug. We=E2=80=99re making it ha= rder for one endpoint to expose potentially privacy sensitive information= to third parties, if its peer isn=E2=80=99t consenting. Of course, we ca= n never fully prevent that, but at least we can make it harder and increa= se the overhead for that.

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This isn't possible - the value of the mask can be dependent on the va= lue of these bits.
The PN is after these bits no? You just set the bits first, apply packet = protection, then the mask?
The first byte is never sampled by header protection unless sample length= is longer than the AEAD tag - which of course is still not fully nailed.=

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@mikkelfj, I don't think that we're talking about the same thing, but it doesn't matter all that much.

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@janaiyengar ya I think that would fix it, will comment on that

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----==_mimepart_5bf3943077325_7963f9266ad45c010734cb-- From nobody Tue Nov 20 10:20:32 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5428C130DEC for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 10:20:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fBTI3emuOuLr for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 10:20:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA1931277BB for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 10:20:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 10:20:24 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542738024; bh=VK/qJb9bkfznZaL4ImhHBoi4SQgoJe1z8Wq9mJI7BmE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=CsCY4fklIsYedVZ3ViqFlv0ENuCX4oNWowfICoqZtXyms5FmWWbWtJ7ni79YdFgJy wZEen5Nn0dZ6YBLomZcQ84gm60Ki4WYkBe0q/oWYBjjDkvfi4S9CqI4CB7kJzzDXNV iatqUnaIiVnksXfNc+TOOMRbUSl28Ppw74gL+iJ0= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] OnPacketsLost for Nonretransmittable Packets (#2015) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bf450686297a_7ab63fdd3b0d45b42677fa"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 18:20:29 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bf450686297a_7ab63fdd3b0d45b42677fa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This was chosen as an effort to be similar to TCP, which does not consider loss of ACK-only packets as a congestion event. As @mikkelfj pointed out, ACK-only packets don't count towards bytes in flight, so it seems odd to me to consider the loss of them a congestion event. I can imagine changing this, but if in doubt, I think adhering closely to what TCP does makes sense. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2015#issuecomment-440379141 ----==_mimepart_5bf450686297a_7ab63fdd3b0d45b42677fa Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This was chosen as an effort to be similar to TCP, which does not cons= ider loss of ACK-only packets as a congestion event.

As @mikkelfj pointed out, ACK-only packets don't count towar= ds bytes in flight, so it seems odd to me to consider the loss of them a = congestion event.

I can imagine changing this, but if in doubt, I think adhering closely= to what TCP does makes sense.

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Yes, just as in TCP, the timer is not used to retransmit any data dete= rmined lost by fast retransmit.

In the "Loss Detection" section it says:
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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My mental model is that Retry or VN basically restart the connection, so I think it makes sense to set handshake_count back to 0. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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My mental model is that Retry or VN basically restart the connection, so I think it makes sense to set handshake_count back to 0.

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Fixes #1983

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Commit Summary

  • Reset the handshake timer on Retry and VN

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -375,7 +375,8 @@ packet, effectively restarting the connection process.
 
 Either packet indicates that the Initial was received but not processed.
 Neither packet can be treated as an acknowledgment for the Initial, but they MAY
-be used to improve the RTT estimate.
+be used to improve the RTT estimate.  Whether or not the RTT estimate is

hmm, wouldn't this automatically happen with the current. Receiving a VN or Retry will send a Handshake packet. Is this just editorial clarification?

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Is it also required to send RESET_STREAM on error/abort?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1040,6 +1040,21 @@ As an example of a well-known and publicly available implementation of a flow
 pacer, implementers are referred to the Fair Queue packet scheduler (fq qdisc)
 in Linux (3.11 onwards).
 
+## Resumption from idle
+
+A connection is idle if bytes in flight is 0 and there is nothing retransmittable
+to send.  In order to limit the size of bursts sent into the network, the
+behavior when restarting from idle depends upon whether pacing is used.
+
+If pacing is used, the connection should limit the initial burst of packets to
+no more than the initial congestion window and subsequent packets SHOULD be paced.
+The congestion window does not change while the connection is idle.
+
+If pacing is not used, the congestion window SHOULD be reset to the minimum of
+the current congestion window and the initial congestion window.  If the
+slow start threshold is larger than the congestion window, the congestion window
+will grow back to the congestion window prior to idle via slow start.
+
 ## Pseudocode

How about slowly reducing the current window thorugh exponential decay down to initial window? Otherwise e.g. video might get quite chunky as buffers fill and the connection idles. But of course other connetions might have taken the bandwidth meanwhile, so it might not be a good idea after all, depending on decay speed.

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Attempt to address #1968

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -483,11 +483,15 @@ the peer spurious timeouts.  The maximum ack delay is communicated in the
 An acknowledgement SHOULD be sent immediately upon receipt of a second
 packet but the delay SHOULD NOT exceed the maximum ack delay. QUIC recovery
 algorithms do not assume the peer generates an acknowledgement immediately when

does immediately mean ASAP or any convenient time before ACK delay ?

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----==_mimepart_5bf459363ac23_284a3fb0598d45c01228e6-- From nobody Tue Nov 20 11:01:53 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3479130DCD for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 11:01:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3FzRL8alJauM for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 11:01:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD8F0130DC7 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 11:01:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 11:01:50 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542740510; bh=L6t+2a/OgLQmgypWOGNLVhjAhq7yVba+xGgQ/1rFD/k=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=xQ1B57opO+/MOt+eMo1BaSevXFkKulZcV1aKvuMsyXqmcF8NIqVQT3qJaqXxQ4qQM 4DvZza7mVEUv+lLVZf+PCIYvWG3UoS+vZzzL83Nv+ckB6EnPpRPbdjEry9NfL/pQd/ tEI8bQeAJCampXfHrSgP1FY9ojssjtcUZ9e5V8FE= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Can Initial/0-RTT CIDs safely be used for routing? (#2026) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bf45a1ed84f_29133fa8c54d45c4758ae"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 19:01:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bf45a1ed84f_29133fa8c54d45c4758ae Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In Section 7.2, the spec makes an implicit assumption that the CID of the Initial packet is used for routing: > A client SHOULD select a Destination Connection ID length long enough to fulfill the minimum for every QUIC version it supports. **This increases the chance subsequent Initial packets are routed to the same server.** #2008 makes this even more explicit: > To enable consistent routing through the subsequent Initial packets are routed to the same server. handshake, a client SHOULD select an initial Destination Connection ID length long enough to fulfill the minimum size for every QUIC version it supports. However, in the discussion of #1486, part of the conclusion was that, to protect from malicious clients, load balancers cannot safely permit client-chosen fields to influence the routing of their packets to a particular server. IIRC, this was also discussed in New York as part of the #1486 discussion. Did we mean that? If so, we have conflicting text. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2026 ----==_mimepart_5bf45a1ed84f_29133fa8c54d45c4758ae Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In Section 7.2, the spec makes an implicit assumption that the CID of = the Initial packet is used for routing:

A client SHOULD select a Destination Connection ID length long enough = to fulfill the minimum for every QUIC version it supports. This i= ncreases the chance subsequent Initial packets are routed to the same ser= ver.

#2008 makes this even more explicit:

To enable consistent routing through the subsequent Initial packets ar= e routed to the same server. handshake, a client SHOULD select an initial= Destination Connection ID length long enough to fulfill the minimum size= for every QUIC version it supports.

However, in the discussion of #1486, part of the conclusion= was that, to protect from malicious clients, load balancers cannot safel= y permit client-chosen fields to influence the routing of their packets t= o a particular server. IIRC, this was also discussed in New York as part= of the #1486 discussion.

Did we mean that? If so, we have conflicting text.

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Fair enough; this PR doesn't introduce that problem, though it magnifies it a bit. I've opened #2026 to resolve that.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -375,7 +375,8 @@ packet, effectively restarting the connection process.
 
 Either packet indicates that the Initial was received but not processed.
 Neither packet can be treated as an acknowledgment for the Initial, but they MAY
-be used to improve the RTT estimate.
+be used to improve the RTT estimate.  Whether or not the RTT estimate is

Yes, this is intended as editorial clarification to fix #1983

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@rpaulo pushed 2 commits.

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I'm aware they are about to change again, but at least this should be correct now for -15 drafts. I can update these vectors once @martinthomson PR is merged. (Looks like the consensus right now is to move to "tls13 " and to add a QUIC version in the context field.)

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -483,11 +483,15 @@ the peer spurious timeouts.  The maximum ack delay is communicated in the
 An acknowledgement SHOULD be sent immediately upon receipt of a second
 packet but the delay SHOULD NOT exceed the maximum ack delay. QUIC recovery
 algorithms do not assume the peer generates an acknowledgement immediately when

The intent is when you're done processing this set of packets, as clarified in the last paragraph.

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----==_mimepart_5bf45fa4a8969_6ac33fa05a0d45b4406463-- From nobody Tue Nov 20 11:26:40 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E31712D4E9 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 11:26:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NSUxAcjNJRZ6 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 11:26:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 765CB12785F for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 11:26:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 11:26:36 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542741996; bh=VemxS/tzBk3jiSJGUhXWYbvGdaGao9Vd4LmxW8gZJ/g=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=irf6MxtTAjHpVfek20//4nPgD+nVfCSOF6y3/xX4xIFPNR55vnWxXVcvEURRMZq0W RuJzQ46eoPXsKGze6vlspvJBDdgP3mG9z79e4uhIbwfpRfRD835vApwMnvt6jXAtWe 2r7CNPxYXFOBuWGE2vG1Q2oyQpzfUHursmIyC3oQ= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Restarting from idle (#2023) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bf45fecbe70f_15473f91522d45c427429c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 19:26:39 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bf45fecbe70f_15473f91522d45c427429c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ianswett commented on this pull request. > @@ -1040,6 +1040,21 @@ As an example of a well-known and publicly available implementation of a flow pacer, implementers are referred to the Fair Queue packet scheduler (fq qdisc) in Linux (3.11 onwards). +## Resumption from idle + +A connection is idle if bytes in flight is 0 and there is nothing retransmittable +to send. In order to limit the size of bursts sent into the network, the +behavior when restarting from idle depends upon whether pacing is used. + +If pacing is used, the connection should limit the initial burst of packets to +no more than the initial congestion window and subsequent packets SHOULD be paced. +The congestion window does not change while the connection is idle. + +If pacing is not used, the congestion window SHOULD be reset to the minimum of +the current congestion window and the initial congestion window. If the +slow start threshold is larger than the congestion window, the congestion window +will grow back to the congestion window prior to idle via slow start. + ## Pseudocode I don't know of a best practice for doing what you're describing, so unless you can find one in a TCP RFC or elsewhere, I'm hesitant to recommend it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2023#discussion_r235138733 ----==_mimepart_5bf45fecbe70f_15473f91522d45c427429c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1040,6 +1040,21 @@ As an example of a well-known and publicly available implementation of a flow
 pacer, implementers are referred to the Fair Queue packet scheduler (fq qdisc)
 in Linux (3.11 onwards).
 
+## Resumption from idle
+
+A connection is idle if bytes in flight is 0 and there is nothing retransmittable
+to send.  In order to limit the size of bursts sent into the network, the
+behavior when restarting from idle depends upon whether pacing is used.
+
+If pacing is used, the connection should limit the initial burst of packets to
+no more than the initial congestion window and subsequent packets SHOULD be paced.
+The congestion window does not change while the connection is idle.
+
+If pacing is not used, the congestion window SHOULD be reset to the minimum of
+the current congestion window and the initial congestion window.  If the
+slow start threshold is larger than the congestion window, the congestion window
+will grow back to the congestion window prior to idle via slow start.
+
 ## Pseudocode

I don't know of a best practice for doing what you're describing, so unless you can find one in a TCP RFC or elsewhere, I'm hesitant to recommend it.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -375,7 +375,8 @@ packet, effectively restarting the connection process.
 
 Either packet indicates that the Initial was received but not processed.
 Neither packet can be treated as an acknowledgment for the Initial, but they MAY
-be used to improve the RTT estimate.
+be used to improve the RTT estimate.  Whether or not the RTT estimate is

Maybe we should clarify by saying instead "Initial packets sent in response to the VN or Retry packets will reset the handshake timer".

It seems like the new text suggest that we should explicitly start a timer at this event. I'd rather start a timer at the onPacketSent event instead.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -375,7 +375,8 @@ packet, effectively restarting the connection process.
 
 Either packet indicates that the Initial was received but not processed.
 Neither packet can be treated as an acknowledgment for the Initial, but they MAY
-be used to improve the RTT estimate.
+be used to improve the RTT estimate.  Whether or not the RTT estimate is

Agreed, that wasn't what I intended to say, but that's how it came out. I'll try to fix it, or if you want to make a suggestion, that'd be great.

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----==_mimepart_5bf460a94d113_426d3f8cf12d45c0606f4-- From nobody Tue Nov 20 11:33:35 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8B45130DD2 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 11:33:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qVQxEHiHJXmx for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 11:33:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-16.smtp.github.com (out-16.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 400FF130DC6 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 11:33:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 11:33:31 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542742411; bh=pZJ6sNHTO+aFv8u3qH9RYXkAwLYCNdMZgY2ORDdnKjs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=CNUIzdQL9/53ydYaIs2N7IgllSEK/DuQgTvm4f//ADjAgvXRcYy6aj1gcEXlEQs/8 gIgLIPwfN0s9R4WjHzWB57wFF4/SiKLi7F2h3wu2u8T3K7udnVkzOTXif7JD7tyz/x JCrHiXILuaSacun5/rXCD8aKXFbgo6dVNjhL9Jbk= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Short header reserved bits: make available for unilateral experimentation (#2022) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bf4618b898b5_31223fd88aed45c09259e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 19:33:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bf4618b898b5_31223fd88aed45c09259e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think I see the issue, though we're skirting the outer edges of my crypto here, so I'd like to confirm. The cheap way to deal with this would *seem* to be taking those two extra masking bits from the packet number protection and using them to mask off the bits iff you're not using them. But that doesn't work, because you don't have the PNP mask until after you've committed to a value. The pre-masking value (currently required to be 0) is in the AAD, which influences the output of the AEAD tag (and the ciphertext?). The sampled input for packet number protection can come from the AEAD tag, so anything that modifies the AAD potentially modifies the PNP mask. To validate, the recipient would need to generate the PNP mask, then check the packet against the authentication tag for both the bits-as-received and the bits-as-would-have-been-masked, then accept the packet if either were valid. (Since we're talking about two bits, there's also a ~33% chance that if someone on the network decided to fiddle those bits, the recipient would decide it was still okay.) In order to avoid trial decryption and undetected meddling, the recipient has to know whether to unmask those bits before validating the packet or not. Either we declare them unmasked and random-if-not-used, which entails an extra CSPRNG call for those two bits in the non-experiment case; or we declare them masked unless the peers negotiate otherwise. (The value pre-masking doesn't actually matter, but since the network can't observe it, it's useless for these experiments.) Did I get all that? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2022#issuecomment-440402331 ----==_mimepart_5bf4618b898b5_31223fd88aed45c09259e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think I see the issue, though we're skirting the outer edges of my c= rypto here, so I'd like to confirm. The cheap way to deal with this woul= d seem to be taking those two extra masking bits from the packet= number protection and using them to mask off the bits iff you're not usi= ng them. But that doesn't work, because you don't have the PNP mask unti= l after you've committed to a value.

The pre-masking value (currently required to be 0) is in the AAD, whic= h influences the output of the AEAD tag (and the ciphertext?). The sampl= ed input for packet number protection can come from the AEAD tag, so anyt= hing that modifies the AAD potentially modifies the PNP mask.

To validate, the recipient would need to generate the PNP mask, then c= heck the packet against the authentication tag for both the bits-as-recei= ved and the bits-as-would-have-been-masked, then accept the packet if eit= her were valid. (Since we're talking about two bits, there's also a ~33%= chance that if someone on the network decided to fiddle those bits, the = recipient would decide it was still okay.)

In order to avoid trial decryption and undetected meddling, the recipi= ent has to know whether to unmask those bits before validating the packet= or not. Either we declare them unmasked and random-if-not-used, which e= ntails an extra CSPRNG call for those two bits in the non-experiment case= ; or we declare them masked unless the peers negotiate otherwise. (The v= alue pre-masking doesn't actually matter, but since the network can't obs= erve it, it's useless for these experiments.)

Did I get all that?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1040,6 +1040,21 @@ As an example of a well-known and publicly available implementation of a flow
 pacer, implementers are referred to the Fair Queue packet scheduler (fq qdisc)
 in Linux (3.11 onwards).
 
+## Resumption from idle
+
+A connection is idle if bytes in flight is 0 and there is nothing retransmittable
+to send.  In order to limit the size of bursts sent into the network, the
+behavior when restarting from idle depends upon whether pacing is used.
+
+If pacing is used, the connection should limit the initial burst of packets to
+no more than the initial congestion window and subsequent packets SHOULD be paced.
+The congestion window does not change while the connection is idle.
+
+If pacing is not used, the congestion window SHOULD be reset to the minimum of
+the current congestion window and the initial congestion window.  If the
+slow start threshold is larger than the congestion window, the congestion window
+will grow back to the congestion window prior to idle via slow start.
+
 ## Pseudocode

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But that doesn't work, because you don't have the PNP mask until after= you've committed to a value.

I don't think that is true. I can't see why you would only know the co= ntents of the bits until after you have applied AEAD packet protection? T= hat is, unless you want to expose the bits publicly in which case you jus= t don't apply the mask. Both endpoints would already agree on whether the= mask applies to these bits.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -375,7 +375,8 @@ packet, effectively restarting the connection process.
 
 Either packet indicates that the Initial was received but not processed.
 Neither packet can be treated as an acknowledgment for the Initial, but they MAY
-be used to improve the RTT estimate.
+be used to improve the RTT estimate.  Whether or not the RTT estimate is

Oh my suggestion was "Initial packets that are sent in response to the VN or Retry packets will reset the handshake timer."

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The packet header is input to the AEAD for packet protection, the output of which is input to the packet number protection. So the PNP mask potentially depends on every bit of the pre-protection header, unless I'm misunderstanding something.

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From the email discussion with @pravb, just limit always, since a large amount of time has passed and there's probably no ack clock. Again, only when not pacing.

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I could be wrong. But the receiver first unmasks the header protection, = then removes packet protection. The sender first generates all bits in the = packet, including all header bits, then applies packet protection. The appl= ies the header protection mask with an XOR.

The current text says the bits are 0. This works. Saying the bits are so= mething else would work equally well.

What will not work is being in doubt about which bits the header protect= ion mask applies to. Some extension could negotiate away the mask on the fi= rst CID change or something.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1040,6 +1040,21 @@ As an example of a well-known and publicly available implementation of a flow
 pacer, implementers are referred to the Fair Queue packet scheduler (fq qdisc)
 in Linux (3.11 onwards).
 
+## Resumption from idle
+
+A connection is idle if bytes in flight is 0 and there is nothing retransmittable
+to send.  In order to limit the size of bursts sent into the network, the
+behavior when restarting from idle depends upon whether pacing is used.
+
+If pacing is used, the connection should limit the initial burst of packets to
+no more than the initial congestion window and subsequent packets SHOULD be paced.
+The congestion window does not change while the connection is idle.
+
+If pacing is not used, the congestion window SHOULD be reset to the minimum of
+the current congestion window and the initial congestion window.  If the
+slow start threshold is larger than the congestion window, the congestion window
+will grow back to the congestion window prior to idle via slow start.
+
 ## Pseudocode

FYI: I have not read this paper, except the abstract, but it seems to touch upon the current text (no my suggestion) related to pacing packets on idle restart https://www.isi.edu/~johnh/PAPERS/Visweswaraiah97b.pdf

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1040,6 +1040,21 @@ As an example of a well-known and publicly available implementation of a flow
 pacer, implementers are referred to the Fair Queue packet scheduler (fq qdisc)
 in Linux (3.11 onwards).
 
+## Resumption from idle
+
+A connection is idle if bytes in flight is 0 and there is nothing retransmittable
+to send.  In order to limit the size of bursts sent into the network, the
+behavior when restarting from idle depends upon whether pacing is used.
+
+If pacing is used, the connection should limit the initial burst of packets to
+no more than the initial congestion window and subsequent packets SHOULD be paced.
+The congestion window does not change while the connection is idle.
+
+If pacing is not used, the congestion window SHOULD be reset to the minimum of
+the current congestion window and the initial congestion window.  If the
+slow start threshold is larger than the congestion window, the congestion window
+will grow back to the congestion window prior to idle via slow start.
+
 ## Pseudocode

Again, only abstract read, ,but it speaks of decaying the cwnd on idle.
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2861

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1040,6 +1040,21 @@ As an example of a well-known and publicly available implementation of a flow
 pacer, implementers are referred to the Fair Queue packet scheduler (fq qdisc)
 in Linux (3.11 onwards).
 
+## Resumption from idle
+
+A connection is idle if bytes in flight is 0 and there is nothing retransmittable
+to send.  In order to limit the size of bursts sent into the network, the
+behavior when restarting from idle depends upon whether pacing is used.
+
+If pacing is used, the connection should limit the initial burst of packets to
+no more than the initial congestion window and subsequent packets SHOULD be paced.
+The congestion window does not change while the connection is idle.
+
+If pacing is not used, the congestion window SHOULD be reset to the minimum of
+the current congestion window and the initial congestion window.  If the
+slow start threshold is larger than the congestion window, the congestion window
+will grow back to the congestion window prior to idle via slow start.
+
 ## Pseudocode

5681 obsoletes 2581, but makes no mention of 2861. I'll let @janaiyengar decide what to do here.

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This occurs when the connection is application "no pending retransmittable data to send" > @@ -1040,6 +1040,24 @@ As an example of a well-known and publicly available implementation of a flow pacer, implementers are referred to the Fair Queue packet scheduler (fq qdisc) in Linux (3.11 onwards). +## Resumption from idle + +A connection is idle if bytes in flight is 0 and there is nothing +retransmittable to send. This occurs when the connection is application +limited and after a verified retransmission timeout. In order to limit the "This can occur when the connection is application limited, or after a retransmission timeout." @pravb had some concerns about not doing this on unverified RTOs, about the safety of not reducing the cwnd if there was an rtt spike. > @@ -1040,6 +1040,24 @@ As an example of a well-known and publicly available implementation of a flow pacer, implementers are referred to the Fair Queue packet scheduler (fq qdisc) in Linux (3.11 onwards). +## Resumption from idle ```suggestion ## Restart after idle ``` > @@ -1040,6 +1040,24 @@ As an example of a well-known and publicly available implementation of a flow pacer, implementers are referred to the Fair Queue packet scheduler (fq qdisc) in Linux (3.11 onwards). +## Resumption from idle + +A connection is idle if bytes in flight is 0 and there is nothing +retransmittable to send. This occurs when the connection is application +limited and after a verified retransmission timeout. In order to limit the +size of bursts sent into the network, the behavior when restarting from idle +depends upon whether pacing is used. + +If pacing is used, the connection should limit the initial burst of packets to "If the sender uses pacing" > @@ -1040,6 +1040,24 @@ As an example of a well-known and publicly available implementation of a flow pacer, implementers are referred to the Fair Queue packet scheduler (fq qdisc) in Linux (3.11 onwards). +## Resumption from idle + +A connection is idle if bytes in flight is 0 and there is nothing +retransmittable to send. This occurs when the connection is application +limited and after a verified retransmission timeout. In order to limit the +size of bursts sent into the network, the behavior when restarting from idle +depends upon whether pacing is used. + +If pacing is used, the connection should limit the initial burst of packets to +no more than the initial congestion window and subsequent packets SHOULD be +paced. The congestion window does not change while the connection is idle. + +If pacing is not used, the congestion window SHOULD be reset to the minimum of "If the sender does not use pacing" > @@ -1040,6 +1040,24 @@ As an example of a well-known and publicly available implementation of a flow pacer, implementers are referred to the Fair Queue packet scheduler (fq qdisc) in Linux (3.11 onwards). +## Resumption from idle + +A connection is idle if bytes in flight is 0 and there is nothing +retransmittable to send. This occurs when the connection is application +limited and after a verified retransmission timeout. In order to limit the +size of bursts sent into the network, the behavior when restarting from idle +depends upon whether pacing is used. + +If pacing is used, the connection should limit the initial burst of packets to +no more than the initial congestion window and subsequent packets SHOULD be +paced. The congestion window does not change while the connection is idle. I don't think this initial burst bit is necessary. All you need to say is that if the sender uses pacing, the cwnd does not need to be reduced. How about "A sender that uses pacing can retain its congestion window through an idle period." > + +A connection is idle if bytes in flight is 0 and there is nothing +retransmittable to send. This occurs when the connection is application +limited and after a verified retransmission timeout. In order to limit the +size of bursts sent into the network, the behavior when restarting from idle +depends upon whether pacing is used. + +If pacing is used, the connection should limit the initial burst of packets to +no more than the initial congestion window and subsequent packets SHOULD be +paced. The congestion window does not change while the connection is idle. + +If pacing is not used, the congestion window SHOULD be reset to the minimum of +the current congestion window and the initial congestion window. If the +slow start threshold is larger than the congestion window, the congestion window +will grow back to the congestion window prior to idle via slow start. This +recommendation is based on Section 4.1 of {{?RFC5681}}. Similarly, I would reduce this to a sentence and remove the sentence about slow start. I'm ok with leaving the ref to 5681 in here, but I would like to remove it in a later PR and replace it with more text explaining the rationale directly (instead of pointing to 5681). For now, how about "A sender that does not use pacing SHOULD reset its congestion window to the minimum of the current congestion window and the initial congestion window. This recommendation is based on Section 4.1 of {{?RFC5681}}." > @@ -1040,6 +1040,21 @@ As an example of a well-known and publicly available implementation of a flow pacer, implementers are referred to the Fair Queue packet scheduler (fq qdisc) in Linux (3.11 onwards). +## Resumption from idle + +A connection is idle if bytes in flight is 0 and there is nothing retransmittable +to send. In order to limit the size of bursts sent into the network, the +behavior when restarting from idle depends upon whether pacing is used. + +If pacing is used, the connection should limit the initial burst of packets to +no more than the initial congestion window and subsequent packets SHOULD be paced. +The congestion window does not change while the connection is idle. + +If pacing is not used, the congestion window SHOULD be reset to the minimum of +the current congestion window and the initial congestion window. If the +slow start threshold is larger than the congestion window, the congestion window +will grow back to the congestion window prior to idle via slow start. + ## Pseudocode RFC 2861 describes how to do this exponentially, but that was always considered too aggressive and resulted in folks turning it off in real deployments. The new one is RFC 7661, which reduces the cwnd once to max(cwnd/2, IW) and ssthresh to max(ssthresh, 3/4 x cwnd). We could use these reductions here, though 7661 is an experimental RFC, since it has gone through TCPM review. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2023#pullrequestreview-176947468 ----==_mimepart_5bf46afdd396e_5bb53ffa5ecd45b84267e1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1040,6 +1040,24 @@ As an example of a we=
ll-known and publicly available implementation of a flow
 pacer, implementers are referred to the Fair Queue packet scheduler (fq qd=
isc)
 in Linux (3.11 onwards).
=20
+## Resumption from idle
+
+A connection is idle if bytes in flight is 0 and there is nothing

"if there are no bytes in flight"

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1040,6 +1040,24 @@ As an example of a we=
ll-known and publicly available implementation of a flow
 pacer, implementers are referred to the Fair Queue packet scheduler (fq qd=
isc)
 in Linux (3.11 onwards).
=20
+## Resumption from idle
+
+A connection is idle if bytes in flight is 0 and there is nothing
+retransmittable to send.  This occurs when the connection is application

"no pending retransmittable data to send"

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1040,6 +1040,24 @@ As an example of a we=
ll-known and publicly available implementation of a flow
 pacer, implementers are referred to the Fair Queue packet scheduler (fq qd=
isc)
 in Linux (3.11 onwards).
=20
+## Resumption from idle
+
+A connection is idle if bytes in flight is 0 and there is nothing
+retransmittable to send.  This occurs when the connection is application
+limited and after a verified retransmission timeout.  In order to limit the

"This can occur when the connection is application limited, or after a r= etransmission timeout." @pravb had some concerns about not doing this = on unverified RTOs, about the safety of not reducing the cwnd if there was = an rtt spike.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1040,6 +1040,24 @@ As an example of a we=
ll-known and publicly available implementation of a flow
 pacer, implementers are referred to the Fair Queue packet scheduler (fq qd=
isc)
 in Linux (3.11 onwards).
=20
+## Resumption from idle
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-## Resumption from idle
+## Restart after idle

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1040,6 +1040,24 @@ As an example of a we=
ll-known and publicly available implementation of a flow
 pacer, implementers are referred to the Fair Queue packet scheduler (fq qd=
isc)
 in Linux (3.11 onwards).
=20
+## Resumption from idle
+
+A connection is idle if bytes in flight is 0 and there is nothing
+retransmittable to send.  This occurs when the connection is application
+limited and after a verified retransmission timeout.  In order to limit the
+size of bursts sent into the network, the behavior when restarting from id=
le
+depends upon whether pacing is used.
+
+If pacing is used, the connection should limit the initial burst of packet=
s to

"If the sender uses pacing"

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1040,6 +1040,24 @@ As an example of a we=
ll-known and publicly available implementation of a flow
 pacer, implementers are referred to the Fair Queue packet scheduler (fq qd=
isc)
 in Linux (3.11 onwards).
=20
+## Resumption from idle
+
+A connection is idle if bytes in flight is 0 and there is nothing
+retransmittable to send.  This occurs when the connection is application
+limited and after a verified retransmission timeout.  In order to limit the
+size of bursts sent into the network, the behavior when restarting from id=
le
+depends upon whether pacing is used.
+
+If pacing is used, the connection should limit the initial burst of packet=
s to
+no more than the initial congestion window and subsequent packets SHOULD be
+paced. The congestion window does not change while the connection is idle.
+
+If pacing is not used, the congestion window SHOULD be reset to the minimu=
m of

"If the sender does not use pacing"

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1040,6 +1040,24 @@ As an example of a we=
ll-known and publicly available implementation of a flow
 pacer, implementers are referred to the Fair Queue packet scheduler (fq qd=
isc)
 in Linux (3.11 onwards).
=20
+## Resumption from idle
+
+A connection is idle if bytes in flight is 0 and there is nothing
+retransmittable to send.  This occurs when the connection is application
+limited and after a verified retransmission timeout.  In order to limit the
+size of bursts sent into the network, the behavior when restarting from id=
le
+depends upon whether pacing is used.
+
+If pacing is used, the connection should limit the initial burst of packet=
s to
+no more than the initial congestion window and subsequent packets SHOULD be
+paced. The congestion window does not change while the connection is idle.

I don't think this initial burst bit is necessary. All you need to say i= s that if the sender uses pacing, the cwnd does not need to be reduced. How= about "A sender that uses pacing can retain its congestion window through = an idle period."

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +
+A connection is idle if bytes in flight is 0 and there is nothing
+retransmittable to send.  This occurs when the connection is application
+limited and after a verified retransmission timeout.  In order to limit the
+size of bursts sent into the network, the behavior when restarting from id=
le
+depends upon whether pacing is used.
+
+If pacing is used, the connection should limit the initial burst of packet=
s to
+no more than the initial congestion window and subsequent packets SHOULD be
+paced. The congestion window does not change while the connection is idle.
+
+If pacing is not used, the congestion window SHOULD be reset to the minimu=
m of
+the current congestion window and the initial congestion window.  If the
+slow start threshold is larger than the congestion window, the congestion =
window
+will grow back to the congestion window prior to idle via slow start.  This
+recommendation is based on Section 4.1 of {{?RFC5681}}.

Similarly, I would reduce this to a sentence and remove the sentence abo= ut slow start. I'm ok with leaving the ref to 5681 in here, but I would lik= e to remove it in a later PR and replace it with more text explaining the r= ationale directly (instead of pointing to 5681).

For now, how about "A sender that does not use pacing SHOULD reset its c= ongestion window to the minimum of the current congestion window and the in= itial congestion window. This recommendation is based on Section 4.1 of {{= ?RFC5681}}."

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1040,6 +1040,21 @@ As an example of a we=
ll-known and publicly available implementation of a flow
 pacer, implementers are referred to the Fair Queue packet scheduler (fq qd=
isc)
 in Linux (3.11 onwards).
=20
+## Resumption from idle
+
+A connection is idle if bytes in flight is 0 and there is nothing retransm=
ittable
+to send.  In order to limit the size of bursts sent into the network, the
+behavior when restarting from idle depends upon whether pacing is used.
+
+If pacing is used, the connection should limit the initial burst of packet=
s to
+no more than the initial congestion window and subsequent packets SHOULD b=
e paced.
+The congestion window does not change while the connection is idle.
+
+If pacing is not used, the congestion window SHOULD be reset to the minimu=
m of
+the current congestion window and the initial congestion window.  If the
+slow start threshold is larger than the congestion window, the congestion =
window
+will grow back to the congestion window prior to idle via slow start.
+
 ## Pseudocode

RFC 2861 describes how to do this exponentially, but that was always con= sidered too aggressive and resulted in folks turning it off in real deploym= ents. The new one is RFC 7661, which reduces the cwnd once to max(cwnd/2, = IW) and ssthresh to max(ssthresh, 3/4 x cwnd). We could use these reductio= ns here, though 7661 is an experimental RFC, since it has gone through TCPM= review.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -375,7 +375,8 @@ packet, effectively restarting the connection process.
 
 Either packet indicates that the Initial was received but not processed.
 Neither packet can be treated as an acknowledgment for the Initial, but they MAY
-be used to improve the RTT estimate.
+be used to improve the RTT estimate.  Whether or not the RTT estimate is

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However, it is bad to have a negotiable mask size. The header protection should be able to work in a hardware offload environment, or parallel process, that does not know the current connection state, at least beyond version number.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1040,6 +1040,24 @@ As an example of a well-known and publicly available implementation of a flow
 pacer, implementers are referred to the Fair Queue packet scheduler (fq qdisc)
 in Linux (3.11 onwards).
 
+## Resumption from idle
+
+A connection is idle if bytes in flight is 0 and there is nothing
+retransmittable to send.  This occurs when the connection is application
+limited and after a verified retransmission timeout.  In order to limit the
+size of bursts sent into the network, the behavior when restarting from idle
+depends upon whether pacing is used.
+
+If pacing is used, the connection should limit the initial burst of packets to
+no more than the initial congestion window and subsequent packets SHOULD be
+paced. The congestion window does not change while the connection is idle.

If the goal is to reduce bursts, I think we need to advocate for limiting the burst of a paced connection to nothing larger than the restarting window of an unpaced connection.

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The receiver SHOULD send an immediate ACK when it receives a new -packet which is not one greater than the largest received packet number. +packet which is not one greater than the largest received packet number. The Suggestion: "The receiver SHOULD send an immediate ACK when it receives a new packet which is not the next expected one. That is, its packet number is not one greater than the largest received packet number." > Out-of-order packets SHOULD be acknowledged more quickly, in order to accelerate loss recovery. The receiver SHOULD send an immediate ACK when it receives a new -packet which is not one greater than the largest received packet number. +packet which is not one greater than the largest received packet number. The +receiver MAY send an immediate ACK when a missing packet begins exceeding the +peer's reordering threshold in packets to accelerate fast retransmit. Time This is a problem, since the receiver does not know the peer's reordering threshold. Also, this sentence does not make sense "a missing packet begins exceeding ... threshold in packets" > Out-of-order packets SHOULD be acknowledged more quickly, in order to accelerate loss recovery. The receiver SHOULD send an immediate ACK when it receives a new -packet which is not one greater than the largest received packet number. +packet which is not one greater than the largest received packet number. The +receiver MAY send an immediate ACK when a missing packet begins exceeding the +peer's reordering threshold in packets to accelerate fast retransmit. Time +threshold loss detection does not require any special ACK generation to +accelerate fast retransmit, because it uses a timer. I think this text should be purely prescriptive, and only from the receiver's point of view, since the sender's is basically not known at the receiver. This also does not say when a receiver should stop immediate acking, which is important IMO. Suggested replacement for text from "The receiver MAY" : "A receiver SHOULD immediately ack at least three subsequent packets after first receiving a packet out of order, after which it SHOULD resume delaying acknowledgements." -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2025#pullrequestreview-176956517 ----==_mimepart_5bf46d4bbc464_17373fe5246d45b87206f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
 Out-of-order packets SHOULD be acknowledged more quickly, in order to accelerate
 loss recovery.  The receiver SHOULD send an immediate ACK when it receives a new
-packet which is not one greater than the largest received packet number.
+packet which is not one greater than the largest received packet number.  The

Suggestion: "The receiver SHOULD send an immediate ACK when it receives a new packet which is not the next expected one. That is, its packet number is not one greater than the largest received packet number."

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
 Out-of-order packets SHOULD be acknowledged more quickly, in order to accelerate
 loss recovery.  The receiver SHOULD send an immediate ACK when it receives a new
-packet which is not one greater than the largest received packet number.
+packet which is not one greater than the largest received packet number.  The
+receiver MAY send an immediate ACK when a missing packet begins exceeding the
+peer's reordering threshold in packets to accelerate fast retransmit.  Time

This is a problem, since the receiver does not know the peer's reordering threshold. Also, this sentence does not make sense "a missing packet begins exceeding ... threshold in packets"

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
 Out-of-order packets SHOULD be acknowledged more quickly, in order to accelerate
 loss recovery.  The receiver SHOULD send an immediate ACK when it receives a new
-packet which is not one greater than the largest received packet number.
+packet which is not one greater than the largest received packet number.  The
+receiver MAY send an immediate ACK when a missing packet begins exceeding the
+peer's reordering threshold in packets to accelerate fast retransmit.  Time
+threshold loss detection does not require any special ACK generation to
+accelerate fast retransmit, because it uses a timer.

I think this text should be purely prescriptive, and only from the receiver's point of view, since the sender's is basically not known at the receiver. This also does not say when a receiver should stop immediate acking, which is important IMO.

Suggested replacement for text from "The receiver MAY" : "A receiver SHOULD immediately ack at least three subsequent packets after first receiving a packet out of order, after which it SHOULD resume delaying acknowledgements."

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@mikkelfj commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +
+A connection is idle if bytes in flight is 0 and there is nothing
+retransmittable to send.  This occurs when the connection is application
+limited and after a verified retransmission timeout.  In order to limit the
+size of bursts sent into the network, the behavior when restarting from idle
+depends upon whether pacing is used.
+
+If pacing is used, the connection should limit the initial burst of packets to
+no more than the initial congestion window and subsequent packets SHOULD be
+paced. The congestion window does not change while the connection is idle.
+
+If pacing is not used, the congestion window SHOULD be reset to the minimum of
+the current congestion window and the initial congestion window.  If the
+slow start threshold is larger than the congestion window, the congestion window
+will grow back to the congestion window prior to idle via slow start.  This
+recommendation is based on Section 4.1 of {{?RFC5681}}.

Can't comment on @janaiyengar's other comment for some reason. But my suggestion is only to decay exponentially, not to aggressively grow the window from where at landed.

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@siyengar approved this pull request.

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I'd say sometimes it's safe and sometimes it's not and there are pros and cons of different approaches. You mention conflicting text, can you point out the text that conflicts with the sections you quoted above in this issue?

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----==_mimepart_5bf46ef3a097d_2f203fdcd38d45c4432833-- From nobody Tue Nov 20 12:35:50 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F56612D4EF for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 12:35:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6HW6crSEQM3t for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 12:35:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2074A12785F for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 12:35:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 12:35:46 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542746146; bh=vOtxKKlDyDJHcmYE3uNdBXWvTfqn6mowHoXa60DAzYg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Y0Azqf+UXbjz31VqlISa3mS+fnKmXybjS3xEV5tDXbfvXE8GFyHVBzKtDnYBAqmHO xDRlJ7iGu2R5DRpi3hZ9tOHf5Mm8nC8gy+iXrTHaX0Ef979gfmKC5XMaBaO+uV/axj ZJP9p1bJr8gysvFkV17yUgHNDM0VB+bgG+3HY9aw= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Can Initial/0-RTT CIDs safely be used for routing? (#2026) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bf470223ad54_382d3fa8bf2d45b819237c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 20:35:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bf470223ad54_382d3fa8bf2d45b819237c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I tend to agree with Ian, but an Initial that follows a stateless reset would have to be routed consistently. I assume this reset driven routing cannot (trivially) be abused due to integrity checks in the reset, but I don't recall the details. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2026#issuecomment-440420476 ----==_mimepart_5bf470223ad54_382d3fa8bf2d45b819237c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I tend to agree with Ian, but an Initial that follows a stateless reset would have to be routed consistently. I assume this reset driven routing cannot (trivially) be abused due to integrity checks in the reset, but I don't recall the details.

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This LG, want to rewrite #2025 after you land this, since you had so many comments?

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We need to clarify this, but it's going to be a challenge to write clear text about these issues. I'll send out a PR that tries to do so anyway.

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Sure, happy to do it. I'm working on a couple of other PRs, I can redo #2025 after those.

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Merged #2027 into master.

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Conflicting as in, we have text (quoted) which contradicts my understanding of our decision. I think if we decide to go with what we'd discussed before (don't trust the CID of Initial/0-RTT), we should add some Security Considerations text about that.

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Fixes #1967

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@mikkelfj, I presume you mean Retry. The server can specify any CID in the Retry, but I'd expect the routing to be achieved by IP:port consistency throughout the handshake.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -Unacknowledged packets close to the tail may have fewer than
-kReorderingThreshold retransmittable packets sent after them.  Loss of such
-packets cannot be detected via Packet Threshold Fast Retransmit. To enable
-ack-based loss detection of such packets, receipt of an acknowledgment for
-the last outstanding retransmittable packet triggers the Early Retransmit
-process, as follows.
-
-If there are unacknowledged in-flight packets still pending, they should
-be marked as lost. To compensate for the reduced reordering resilience, the
-sender SHOULD set a timer for a small period of time. If the unacknowledged
-in-flight packets are not acknowledged during this time, then these
-packets MUST be marked as lost.
-
-An endpoint SHOULD set the timer such that a packet is marked as lost no earlier
-than 1.125 * max(SRTT, latest_RTT) since when it was sent.
+An endpoint SHOULD declare packets lost no earlier than

I'm confused, so let's talk today.

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I mean Retry, of course.

You cannot assume IP/port consistency because the routing will in some cases happen behind an external load balancer that exposes a single public IP and routes to a specific internal IP based on CID.

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----==_mimepart_5bf47872dc034_2dc93ffb118d45b8249266-- From nobody Tue Nov 20 13:11:54 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FF76128D0C for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 13:11:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PX6UD9OQtyIX for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 13:11:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A83A124D68 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 13:11:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 13:11:49 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542748309; bh=UBkE6F7zeh41j/dVIqQcSDVANaPWyAuxZTF9TvukozU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=jxVoqtBkEqCY5r27YzXog8ry100Y032BbkjNqth959AVQz1sGEnbOps3KcZBpcTu7 9I+P4g6YRZ8J2NtsW4hE/8P9IKc37VxQQbrAssNEentsIlLbWQzaTEYnKbwUdAc4md Z8BpAsoWMfJg8u5f2JoTerY7CYhef5WMjB0uezuI= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Loss events for reordered 0- and 0.5-RTT data (#1967) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bf478953c7b3_4c1e3fe207cd45b41722a0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 21:11:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bf478953c7b3_4c1e3fe207cd45b41722a0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a slightly involved fix. We basically need to distinguish packets whose drops do not necessarily indicate congestion vs those that do. As I see it, the packets whose drop does not necessarily indicate congestion are: 1. any handshake packet 2. any 0-RTT data (sent by client) 3. any 0.5-RTT data (sent by server) 4. data received before CFIN, which from the client's point of view is all data sent until ack for CFIN is received (thanks @siyengar for noting this). 1, 2, 3 are ok, but 4 is tricky, since congestive losses in the first RTT are indicators of a large initial window. I'm inclined to leave 4 out conservatively, since it delays the engagement of the CC machinery by a fair bit. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1967#issuecomment-440430960 ----==_mimepart_5bf478953c7b3_4c1e3fe207cd45b41722a0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This is a slightly involved fix. We basically need to distinguish pac= kets whose drops do not necessarily indicate congestion vs those that do.= As I see it, the packets whose drop does not necessarily indicate conge= stion are:

  1. any handshake packet
  2. any 0-RTT data (sent by client)
  3. any 0.5-RTT data (sent by server)
  4. data received before CFIN, which from the client's point of view is a= ll data sent until ack for CFIN is received (thanks @siyengar = for noting this).

1, 2, 3 are ok, but 4 is tricky, since congestive losses in the first = RTT are indicators of a large initial window. I'm inclined to leave 4 out= conservatively, since it delays the engagement of the CC machinery by a = fair bit.

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If a middlebox can tell the difference between and original and a Retr= y driven Initial packet, it would be possible configure the middlebox to = a) route randomly on first initial, or b) route consistently on first ini= tial, and for both a) and b) route consistently after a retry.

In the case b) the middlebox could force a retry when it thinks there = is overload either accidentally, or through an attack.

If the Retry is verified properly, it is not possible to forge a succe= ssful CID in this case.

All of this should be possible, and trivial to do, but need some readi= ng up to see what is the current state of affairs. I think middleboxes mi= ght not be able to detect a Retry driven initial but endpoints are since = a Retry can only happen once.

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Nah, I think a retry would not make sense in the above, or least not where you end up with the same external loadbalancer and public IP. In that case the load balancer could just internally swap endpoint.

So @MikeBishop is probably right about IP/port stability.

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Commit: 5920b4a56f32464a5fecc4b8c4abfc81bd405324 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5920b4a56f32464a5fecc4b8c4abfc81bd405324 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-08 (Thu, 08 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Remove example Commit: 35a7bb0dcc3598be6d4ae86c47af99a1a839ccc7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/35a7bb0dcc3598be6d4ae86c47af99a1a839ccc7 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-12 (Mon, 12 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Separate keys at the leaves Commit: c3828d3f165f0380ec60388942515ba5b189bd78 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c3828d3f165f0380ec60388942515ba5b189bd78 Author: martinduke Date: 2018-11-13 (Tue, 13 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Refine minimum DCID length of Initial This is meant to almost entirely mitigate #1810 by making sure that the reply to a VN packet ends up at the same server. It reduces the spurious downgrade attack signal to a corner case of a corner case. It is much more lightweight than alternatives, if we're looking for a minimum-footprint change. Commit: 1e4ab004ce00f2f5ee72870b94187e434a6e3159 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1e4ab004ce00f2f5ee72870b94187e434a6e3159 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-14 (Wed, 14 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Add key diversity section Commit: ecd2d27cd6deb13f731646f30570fdc3cb9f1ed9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ecd2d27cd6deb13f731646f30570fdc3cb9f1ed9 Author: martinduke Date: 2018-11-13 (Tue, 13 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Address MT's comment? Commit: aaed35e0a0afa81efdc0f512b8be632927285a6f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/aaed35e0a0afa81efdc0f512b8be632927285a6f Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-14 (Wed, 14 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (#2004) Commit: 316eb16890eba6a9460eb5dcae262136f9498010 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/316eb16890eba6a9460eb5dcae262136f9498010 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-15 (Thu, 15 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2001 from martinduke/patch-30 Refine minimum DCID length of Initial Commit: af6d70fcd998d21569834fc59f2313fd309cfc34 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/af6d70fcd998d21569834fc59f2313fd309cfc34 Author: seanturner Date: 2018-11-15 (Thu, 15 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Use TLS abbreviation Commit: 9335f5a1ef5abb910049662c7cb5287f8455fe71 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9335f5a1ef5abb910049662c7cb5287f8455fe71 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-15 (Thu, 15 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Clarify MAX_STREAMS Fixes #1941 Commit: 9a177cf85b59e1777c572d31e28777e1141b8a13 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9a177cf85b59e1777c572d31e28777e1141b8a13 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-15 (Thu, 15 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Commit: 06b4cbd925ffc9a97e1b3ec7d22e750003232ad6 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/06b4cbd925ffc9a97e1b3ec7d22e750003232ad6 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2018-11-15 (Thu, 15 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- STOP_SENDING opens streams Commit: fd0d0f8cd1aee281bce66940a983fd0306c67c4a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fd0d0f8cd1aee281bce66940a983fd0306c67c4a Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-16 (Fri, 16 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Commit: 8a050c76da479ffa5b815dc6e68e4cb84d2dfec8 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8a050c76da479ffa5b815dc6e68e4cb84d2dfec8 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-16 (Fri, 16 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Commit: 189b423f8b1f6c131a1db4e01b89314856f5a894 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/189b423f8b1f6c131a1db4e01b89314856f5a894 Author: Marten Seemann Date: 2018-11-17 (Sat, 17 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- remove a duplicate sentence in the stateless reset section Commit: bea6906ed695ddf6845ceee3f31ae9025e3039c9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/bea6906ed695ddf6845ceee3f31ae9025e3039c9 Author: Marten Seemann Date: 2018-11-17 (Sat, 17 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- allow retiring of all stateless tokens Commit: 53807397e2ef2cb71d7ab6da9e6e1df63c6ee2d0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/53807397e2ef2cb71d7ab6da9e6e1df63c6ee2d0 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-19 (Mon, 19 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2011 from seanturner/tls_tls-abbreviation Use TLS abbreviation Commit: 98508c89e2293b6aa5ab22cf4b61517951591e9c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/98508c89e2293b6aa5ab22cf4b61517951591e9c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-19 (Mon, 19 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2012 from quicwg/ianswett-max-streams Clarify MAX_STREAMS Commit: bb45c88aac038d93366a91497ab1843dd551a558 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/bb45c88aac038d93366a91497ab1843dd551a558 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-19 (Mon, 19 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2016 from marten-seemann/remove-duplicate-sentence remove a duplicate sentence in the stateless reset section Commit: 8e160748d3bb88e1bd07e6e9b87201e2cfc3151b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8e160748d3bb88e1bd07e6e9b87201e2cfc3151b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-19 (Mon, 19 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2017 from marten-seemann/allow-retiring-of-all-tokens allow retiring of all stateless reset tokens Commit: 1e68d2a27eeb868f9b2a3242bc7dae9bbb44fe00 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1e68d2a27eeb868f9b2a3242bc7dae9bbb44fe00 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-19 (Mon, 19 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Update to RFC4303, which is not obsolete Commit: c149b56a4dae31b7d69956aac7830d79b2dd997d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c149b56a4dae31b7d69956aac7830d79b2dd997d Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-19 (Mon, 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----==_mimepart_5bf493ab48c55_4f333f853d4d45c0280016-- From nobody Tue Nov 20 15:08:02 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34D50130DF4 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 15:08:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.499 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.499 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AJ99hxXf4y6E for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 15:08:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from m69-170.mailgun.net (m69-170.mailgun.net [166.78.69.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C365312007C for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 15:07:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1542755279; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=ebED/+naGU97utLSVI9tHZyGAzpjHIkYGGzBxQErsYw=; b=v6TKjKUnx6x4hzezGHsXffG2AykpCjYKGxSOWqX3H+O7HWxpKBXUiegRCMSP7zWaSN7XFbay JuU8IL+aKSqU0hxvRFtAcIDoFevbQ+0WhgO0BB0/44wjro2PjXF/9naR6Xy0b8xBShqgxeE9 3fb3HPqxbZrO2ivrDKFZwHZrYWs= X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.69.170 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.37]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 5bf493ce.7f1fe4176390-smtp-out-n02; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 23:07:58 -0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 15:07:58 -0800 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5bf493cea75aa_728d2aad32bbe57c10546@hookshot-fe-2cc8887.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 3df93e: Rough in first octet changes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bf493cea7113_728d2aad32bbe57c10481"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 23:08:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bf493cea7113_728d2aad32bbe57c10481 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 3df93e948824d4fdd2fac4b3733fa90c601b4e28 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3df93e948824d4fdd2fac4b3733fa90c601b4e28 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-14 (Wed, 14 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Rough in first octet changes This doesn't include the -tls draft pieces yet, which cover how the first octet is (partially) protected. Commit: a13266667d30e1fd872375675aab96bf76038f06 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a13266667d30e1fd872375675aab96bf76038f06 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-15 (Thu, 15 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add the TLS bits, refine some of the transport bits Commit: 0e361883372606c2d4476c6ed8f21f95958cf1db https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0e361883372606c2d4476c6ed8f21f95958cf1db Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-15 (Thu, 15 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Reword Commit: b40e506d9c905f6a8073849d10cc43fd3248f8dd https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b40e506d9c905f6a8073849d10cc43fd3248f8dd Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-17 (Sat, 17 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Apply suggestions from code review Review suggestions Co-Authored-By: martinthomson Commit: 6e24096c683e6aad23f4ec10f7d16d8d557cec7b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6e24096c683e6aad23f4ec10f7d16d8d557cec7b Author: David Schinazi Date: 2018-11-19 (Mon, 19 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Input to ChaCha20 is five zeros. Co-Authored-By: martinthomson Commit: 5b49645359dffc5e403e59e46973eeea2e770dfd https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5b49645359dffc5e403e59e46973eeea2e770dfd Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-19 (Mon, 19 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Unused mask bytes Commit: 7e74188624d2461d68fdd690ab1e85712d48ef10 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7e74188624d2461d68fdd690ab1e85712d48ef10 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-19 (Mon, 19 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Explain initial header protection Commit: c7ef43a0db4d81067cf75240c35cf33a4d5f322e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c7ef43a0db4d81067cf75240c35cf33a4d5f322e Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-19 (Mon, 19 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Duplicate sample calculations Commit: d9e063c4f52623b364b137331fffdbc5b5f55ccb https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d9e063c4f52623b364b137331fffdbc5b5f55ccb Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-19 (Mon, 19 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Payload length confusion Commit: 9526663fa427eab01215a3c876898639d8872dff https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9526663fa427eab01215a3c876898639d8872dff Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-19 (Mon, 19 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Bytes, for consistency Commit: 00c571ec5e9cc3c38668960f95dd9e96c8ca0a42 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/00c571ec5e9cc3c38668960f95dd9e96c8ca0a42 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-19 (Mon, 19 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fix stateless reset too Commit: 53d5d79f26edab653b945cb496e28001cb9c00f9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/53d5d79f26edab653b945cb496e28001cb9c00f9 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-19 (Mon, 19 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- 2+8n is unlikely, but I've met some of the people implementing this Commit: a89f732c21eacaa2cbd3c0d4f3145128afa47083 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a89f732c21eacaa2cbd3c0d4f3145128afa47083 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-21 (Wed, 21 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' into first-octet Commit: 5e37f215027729968679b7257679adfb621d834d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5e37f215027729968679b7257679adfb621d834d Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-21 (Wed, 21 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2006 from quicwg/first-octet First byte changes Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/9feb98a2848f...5e37f2150277 **NOTE:** This service has been marked for deprecation: https://developer.github.com/changes/2018-04-25-github-services-deprecation/ Functionality will be removed from GitHub.com on January 31st, 2019. ----==_mimepart_5bf493cea7113_728d2aad32bbe57c10481-- From nobody Tue Nov 20 15:08:11 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23CAD130E09 for ; 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Fixed by #1947.

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Handshake packets would never be undecryptable for the server, only for the client.

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Closed #2007 via #2023.

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Do we really need this? I think of VN and Retry as basically restartin= g the whole connection (and this is exactly how I implemented it), but if= we want to be that explicit, we=E2=80=99d also have to talk about resett= ing flow control and stream offsets etc., right?

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Good question, @marten-seemann I'm not sure it's necessary because of what you said, but there was a request for clarification.

Do you think we're better off keeping the text as-is and doing nothing?

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@marten-seemann VN and Retry are essentially new conn= ections, but they still participate in a single connection attempt which = would have some state (e.g. Retry at most once) and an overall timeout. B= ut perhaps it is simpler to assume defaults of new connections with the = few exceptions that apply mentioned explicitly.

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However, it is bad to have a negotiable mask size. The header protecti= on should be able to work in a hardware offload environment, or parallel = process, that does not know the current connection state, at least beyond= version number.

I disagree that having a negotiable mask size is a bad thing.

If you are to build a hardware offloader, you should create it so that= different encryption algorithms can be applied for different CIDs.

For example, as you state, the algorithm would be different between di= fferent two CIDs if the protocol versions are different between the two. = Having a different mask based on negotiation is not at all different (not= e that you would can install the 1-RTT key and the mask to the offloader = at the same moment).

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During recovery, the congestion window remains unchanged irrespective of new losses or increases in the ECN-CE counter. +## Loss of protected packets during the handshake + +0RTT and 1RTT packets sent prior to handshake completion can arrive before I think that you need to identify this as early RTT packets that are sent by an endpoint with new keys. Also, expand on that: Handshake and 0-RTT from the client, and 1-RTT from either endpoint. > @@ -1000,6 +999,17 @@ The recovery period limits congestion window reduction to once per round trip. During recovery, the congestion window remains unchanged irrespective of new losses or increases in the ECN-CE counter. +## Loss of protected packets during the handshake Title Case Headings ```suggestion ## Reordering of Packets Sent with New Keys ``` > @@ -1000,6 +999,17 @@ The recovery period limits congestion window reduction to once per round trip. During recovery, the congestion window remains unchanged irrespective of new losses or increases in the ECN-CE counter. +## Loss of protected packets during the handshake + +0RTT and 1RTT packets sent prior to handshake completion can arrive before +the peer has keys to unprotect them. In those cases, the peer may decide +not to buffer the packets. This will cause the packets to never be Use paragraphs: ```suggestion not to buffer the packets. Discarding packets for which there are no keys will result in the packets never being ``` > @@ -1000,6 +999,17 @@ The recovery period limits congestion window reduction to once per round trip. During recovery, the congestion window remains unchanged irrespective of new losses or increases in the ECN-CE counter. +## Loss of protected packets during the handshake + +0RTT and 1RTT packets sent prior to handshake completion can arrive before +the peer has keys to unprotect them. In those cases, the peer may decide +not to buffer the packets. This will cause the packets to never be +acknowledged and eventually declared lost, despite being delivered to +the peer. If the server rejects 0RTT, then the congestion controller Rejecting 0-RTT is a completely different concept that you should separate out. > @@ -1000,6 +999,17 @@ The recovery period limits congestion window reduction to once per round trip. During recovery, the congestion window remains unchanged irrespective of new losses or increases in the ECN-CE counter. +## Loss of protected packets during the handshake + +0RTT and 1RTT packets sent prior to handshake completion can arrive before +the peer has keys to unprotect them. In those cases, the peer may decide +not to buffer the packets. This will cause the packets to never be +acknowledged and eventually declared lost, despite being delivered to +the peer. If the server rejects 0RTT, then the congestion controller +SHOULD ignore the loss of 0RTT packets. If any 0RTT or 1RTT packets sent +prior to knowing the peer has keys to unprotect them are lost, the +sender's congestion control MAY ignore the loss of those packets if it's +believe they were received by the peer prior to having the correct keys. ```suggestion believed they were received by the peer prior to having the correct keys. ``` Though I might instead say >A congestion controller MAY choose to ignore loss signals from packets that might have been discarded due to packet protection keys being unavailable. That's not complete, or a spec you could implement to, but it is less about belief and more about guesswork, which is what this is. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2028#pullrequestreview-177058417 ----==_mimepart_5bf4c90499430_39f83fe0c00d45b8176483 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1000,6 +999,17 @@ The recovery period =
limits congestion window reduction to once per round trip.
 During recovery, the congestion window remains unchanged irrespective of=
 new
 losses or increases in the ECN-CE counter.
 =

+## Loss of protected packets during the handshake
+
+0RTT and 1RTT packets sent prior to handshake completion can arrive befo=
re

I think that you need to identify this as early RTT packets that are s= ent by an endpoint with new keys. Also, expand on that: Handshake and 0-= RTT from the client, and 1-RTT from either endpoint.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1000,6 +999,17 @@ The recovery period =
limits congestion window reduction to once per round trip.
 During recovery, the congestion window remains unchanged irrespective of=
 new
 losses or increases in the ECN-CE counter.
 =

+## Loss of protected packets during the handshake

Title Case Headings

=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-## Loss of protected packets during the hands=
hake
+## Reordering of Packets Sent with New Keys

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1000,6 +999,17 @@ The recovery period =
limits congestion window reduction to once per round trip.
 During recovery, the congestion window remains unchanged irrespective of=
 new
 losses or increases in the ECN-CE counter.
 =

+## Loss of protected packets during the handshake
+
+0RTT and 1RTT packets sent prior to handshake completion can arrive befo=
re
+the peer has keys to unprotect them.  In those cases, the peer may decid=
e
+not to buffer the packets.  This will cause the packets to never be

Use paragraphs:

=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-not to buffer the packets.  This will cause t=
he packets to never be
+not to buffer the packets.
+
+Discarding packets for which there are no keys will result in the packet=
s never being

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1000,6 +999,17 @@ The recovery period =
limits congestion window reduction to once per round trip.
 During recovery, the congestion window remains unchanged irrespective of=
 new
 losses or increases in the ECN-CE counter.
 =

+## Loss of protected packets during the handshake
+
+0RTT and 1RTT packets sent prior to handshake completion can arrive befo=
re
+the peer has keys to unprotect them.  In those cases, the peer may decid=
e
+not to buffer the packets.  This will cause the packets to never be
+acknowledged and eventually declared lost, despite being delivered to
+the peer.  If the server rejects 0RTT, then the congestion controller

Rejecting 0-RTT is a completely different concept that you should sepa= rate out.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1000,6 +999,17 @@ The recovery period =
limits congestion window reduction to once per round trip.
 During recovery, the congestion window remains unchanged irrespective of=
 new
 losses or increases in the ECN-CE counter.
 =

+## Loss of protected packets during the handshake
+
+0RTT and 1RTT packets sent prior to handshake completion can arrive befo=
re
+the peer has keys to unprotect them.  In those cases, the peer may decid=
e
+not to buffer the packets.  This will cause the packets to never be
+acknowledged and eventually declared lost, despite being delivered to
+the peer.  If the server rejects 0RTT, then the congestion controller
+SHOULD ignore the loss of 0RTT packets.  If any 0RTT or 1RTT packets sen=
t
+prior to knowing the peer has keys to unprotect them are lost, the
+sender's congestion control MAY ignore the loss of those packets if =
it's
+believe they were received by the peer prior to having the correct keys.=
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-believe they were received by the peer prior =
to having the correct keys.
+believed they were received by the peer prior to having the correct keys=
.

Though I might instead say

A congestion controller MAY choose to ignore loss signals from packets= that might have been discarded due to packet protection keys being unava= ilable.

That's not complete, or a spec you could implement to, but it is less = about belief and more about guesswork, which is what this is.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1000,6 +999,17 @@ The recovery period limits congestion window reduction to once per round trip.
 During recovery, the congestion window remains unchanged irrespective of new
 losses or increases in the ECN-CE counter.
 
+## Loss of protected packets during the handshake
+
+0RTT and 1RTT packets sent prior to handshake completion can arrive before
+the peer has keys to unprotect them.  In those cases, the peer may decide
+not to buffer the packets.  This will cause the packets to never be
+acknowledged and eventually declared lost, despite being delivered to
+the peer.  If the server rejects 0RTT, then the congestion controller
+SHOULD ignore the loss of 0RTT packets.  If any 0RTT or 1RTT packets sent

should be consistent about 0-RTT, instead of using "0RTT", "0-RTT" might be better and similar for 1-RTT

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1000,6 +999,17 @@ The recovery period limits congestion window reduction to once per round trip.
 During recovery, the congestion window remains unchanged irrespective of new
 losses or increases in the ECN-CE counter.
 
+## Loss of protected packets during the handshake
+
+0RTT and 1RTT packets sent prior to handshake completion can arrive before
+the peer has keys to unprotect them.  In those cases, the peer may decide
+not to buffer the packets.  This will cause the packets to never be
+acknowledged and eventually declared lost, despite being delivered to
+the peer.  If the server rejects 0RTT, then the congestion controller
+SHOULD ignore the loss of 0RTT packets.  If any 0RTT or 1RTT packets sent
+prior to knowing the peer has keys to unprotect them are lost, the
+sender's congestion control MAY ignore the loss of those packets if it's

this could use some psuedo-code changes as well. Happy to put them up in a separate PR if you want.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -875,7 +841,7 @@ Pseudocode for OnLossDetectionTimeout follows:
        RetransmitUnackedCryptoData()
        crypto_count++
      else if (loss_time != 0):
-       // Early retransmit or Time Loss Detection
+       // Time threshold loss Detection

I don't think this is only early retransmit @janaiyengar in this current form. loss_time is always set here

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -907,14 +872,8 @@ Pseudocode for DetectLostPackets follows:
 DetectLostPackets(largest_acked):
   loss_time = 0
   lost_packets = {}
-  delay_until_lost = infinite
-  if (kUsingTimeLossDetection):
-    delay_until_lost =
-      (1 + time_reordering_fraction) *
-          max(latest_rtt, smoothed_rtt)
-  else if (largest_acked.packet_number == largest_sent_packet):
-    // Early retransmit timer.
-    delay_until_lost = 9/8 * max(latest_rtt, smoothed_rtt)
+  delay_until_lost = (1 + time_reordering_fraction) *

this looks like it will always set the loss time to be 1 + 1/8 rtt now. However this might be super aggressive for regular cases. This is even lower than 1/4 rtt for tlp. So tlp will never fire.

it seems like @janaiyengar is right here. Early retransmit and time based loss detection are 2 separate mechanisms with different time_reordering_fractions.

something like:

 delay_until_lost = (1 + time_ordering_fraction) * max(lrtt, srtt)
  if (largest_acked.packet_number == largest_sent_packet):
     delay_until_lost = 9/8 * max(lrtt, srtt)

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closes #2019. 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Closes #2019.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This simplifies a little, so it's a net win in my view. Note that a naive implementation does very little to comply with this. Always sending a 3 or 4 octet packet number is the easy way to comply. Always padding to at least 3 octets is the other way, which in most cases will be unnecessary. Dynamically padding is possible too, but we're talking about 2 octets. Closes #1575. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2030 -- Commit Summary -- * Pad rather than shift the header protection offset -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (28) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2030.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2030.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2030 ----==_mimepart_5bf4e05d705ab_6b33fe9258d45c01480d6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This simplifies a little, so it's a net win in my view.

Note that a naive implementation does very little to comply with this. Always sending a 3 or 4 octet packet number is the easy way to comply. Always padding to at least 3 octets is the other way, which in most cases will be unnecessary. Dynamically padding is possible too, but we're talking about 2 octets.

Closes #1575.

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@ianswett That's a good question. We say

Once the Version Negotiation packet is determined to be valid, the cli= ent then selects an acceptable protocol version from the list provided by= the server. The client then attempts to create a connection using that v= ersion. Though the content of the Initial packet the client sends might n= ot change in response to version negotiation, a client MUST increase the = packet number it uses on every packet it sends.

I'm not sure why we changed this from initiating a completely new conn= ection (including a new destination connection ID). I assume we want to e= nsure stable routing, if the server routes Initials based on the connecti= on ID?

For Retry, we say

The client responds to a Retry packet with an Initial packet that incl= udes the provided Retry Token to continue connection establishment.
A client sets the Destination Connection ID field of this Initial packet = to the value from the Source Connection ID in the Retry packet. Changing = Destination Connection ID also results in a change to the keys used to pr= otect the Initial packet. It also sets the Token field to the token provi= ded in the Retry. The client MUST NOT change the Source Connection ID bec= ause the server could include the connection ID as part of its token vali= dation logic

I can't find anything about resetting all connection state (except con= nection IDs and the packet number, and the RTT estimate) in the transport= document. I think this is where this belongs, and this would include all= state accumulated for recovery.

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The starting -offset for the sample is set to 4 bytes after the start of the Packet Number -field, then is reduced until there are enough bytes to sample. +is assumed to be 4 bytes long (its maximum possible encoded length). + +An endpoint MUST discard packets that are not long enough to contain a complete +sample. + +To ensure that sufficient data is available for sampling, packets are padded so +that the combined lengths of the encoded packet number and protected payload is +at least 4 bytes longer than the sample required for header protection. For the +AEAD functions defined in {{?TLS13}}, which have 16 byte expansion and 16 byte +header protection samples, this results in needing at least 3 bytes of frames in +the unprotected payload if the packet number is encoded on a single byte, or 2 +bytes of frames for a 2 byte packet number encoding. 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@marten-seemann requested changes on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> -is assumed to be 4 bytes long (its maximum possible encoded length), unless
-there is insufficient space in the packet for a complete sample.  The starting
-offset for the sample is set to 4 bytes after the start of the Packet Number
-field, then is reduced until there are enough bytes to sample.
+is assumed to be 4 bytes long (its maximum possible encoded length).
+
+An endpoint MUST discard packets that are not long enough to contain a complete
+sample.
+
+To ensure that sufficient data is available for sampling, packets are padded so
+that the combined lengths of the encoded packet number and protected payload is
+at least 4 bytes longer than the sample required for header protection.  For the
+AEAD functions defined in {{?TLS13}}, which have 16 byte expansion and 16 byte
+header protection samples, this results in needing at least 3 bytes of frames in
+the unprotected payload if the packet number is encoded on a single byte, or 2
+bytes of frames for a 2 byte packet number encoding.

This has implications on the minimum size of the stateless reset, we will need to increase the 166 random bits by 24.

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This was a bit weak in the past, but it is part of our defense strategy for attacks on migration and rebinding. Not that this totally prevents attack, but it means that an attacker looking to force a migration has to observe and race packets sent by both endpoints if this is true.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2031

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  • Servers can't migrate. Period.

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----==_mimepart_5bf4e3a8d07bb_45673f8cbf4d45b4119639-- From nobody Tue Nov 20 20:51:17 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE22D1277C8 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 20:51:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.469 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.469 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cVdQwpPyP4HL for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 20:51:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3B4ED127333 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 20:51:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 20:51:12 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542775872; bh=f/4WoUq7bDpaWo+Ksh3V9PBt02TcKlEqOsyL2c6+hdg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Urbq+EXFIulGV4RzcrwF/UZ5naZA9h2Eq9QIUpqtatLBrSqmXvdQEFLScp5hq1MP9 vRxgRhekCWjF4/e4bImQmQaK1lYnaZs0aCk91+AVbYiem5tCifrKtvxQaplJvalllx uAJZYk9jiNOo3v60fHoVG0haNGytbNSAaFuaLCK8= From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Servers can't migrate. Period. (#2031) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bf4e44041a8a_64e3fe9258d45c017108f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 04:51:15 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bf4e44041a8a_64e3fe9258d45c017108f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit marten-seemann approved this pull request. I'm not happy with the fact that servers can't migrate in general, but this change makes the current state clearer and more consistent. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2031#pullrequestreview-177076109 ----==_mimepart_5bf4e44041a8a_64e3fe9258d45c017108f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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I'm not happy with the fact that servers can't migrate in general, but this change makes the current state clearer and more consistent.

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With #1991 being merged, we now always use the HKDF function defined in TLS 1.3. We also allow the endpoints to use a TLS version greater than that (see section 4.2).

Now the corner case is what is the prefix of the HKDF function is to be used for a Initial packet, when the client's minimum TLS version is 1.4.

I think it's worth clarifying that it is "tls13 " even in the case, because otherwise the peer cannot decrypt the packet.

Hence the PR.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2032

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  • always use "tls13 " prefix for Initial packets

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So what we do is recommend more probing on old paths to give the endpoint that is apparently migrating more opportunities to cause the connection to migrate away from the path chosen by an attacker. I've tweaked surrounding text a little. The most interesting being the 3RTO timer on path validation. It's not the right number, but I don't think that the right number is attainable, and this is close enough. This text isn't final. I'd like it to be more accurate AND shorter, but lack the skills and perspective. 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So what we do is recommend more probing on old paths to give the endpoint that is apparently migrating more opportunities to cause the connection to migrate away from the path chosen by an attacker. I've tweaked surrounding text a little. The most interesting being the 3RTO timer on path validation. It's not the right number, but I don't think that the right number is attainable, and this is close enough. This text isn't final. I'd like it to be more accurate AND shorter, but lack the skills and perspective. Closes #1278, #1749. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2033 -- Commit Summary -- * Fix for off-path migration attack -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (80) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2033.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2033.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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This is not an easy attack to defend against, except for
probabilistically. So what we do is recommend more probing on old paths
to give the endpoint that is apparently migrating more opportunities to
cause the connection to migrate away from the path chosen by an
attacker.

I've tweaked surrounding text a little. The most interesting being the
3RTO timer on path validation. It's not the right number, but I don't
think that the right number is attainable, and this is close enough.

This text isn't final. I'd like it to be more accurate AND shorter, but
lack the skills and perspective.

Closes #1278, #1749.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2033

Commit Summary

  • Fix for off-path migration attack

File Changes

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > -is assumed to be 4 bytes long (its maximum possible encoded length), unless -there is insufficient space in the packet for a complete sample. The starting -offset for the sample is set to 4 bytes after the start of the Packet Number -field, then is reduced until there are enough bytes to sample. +is assumed to be 4 bytes long (its maximum possible encoded length). + +An endpoint MUST discard packets that are not long enough to contain a complete +sample. + +To ensure that sufficient data is available for sampling, packets are padded so +that the combined lengths of the encoded packet number and protected payload is +at least 4 bytes longer than the sample required for header protection. For the +AEAD functions defined in {{?TLS13}}, which have 16 byte expansion and 16 byte +header protection samples, this results in needing at least 3 bytes of frames in +the unprotected payload if the packet number is encoded on a single byte, or 2 +bytes of frames for a 2 byte packet number encoding. Good catch. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> -is assumed to be 4 bytes long (its maximum possible encoded length), unless
-there is insufficient space in the packet for a complete sample.  The starting
-offset for the sample is set to 4 bytes after the start of the Packet Number
-field, then is reduced until there are enough bytes to sample.
+is assumed to be 4 bytes long (its maximum possible encoded length).
+
+An endpoint MUST discard packets that are not long enough to contain a complete
+sample.
+
+To ensure that sufficient data is available for sampling, packets are padded so
+that the combined lengths of the encoded packet number and protected payload is
+at least 4 bytes longer than the sample required for header protection.  For the
+AEAD functions defined in {{?TLS13}}, which have 16 byte expansion and 16 byte
+header protection samples, this results in needing at least 3 bytes of frames in
+the unprotected payload if the packet number is encoded on a single byte, or 2
+bytes of frames for a 2 byte packet number encoding.

Good catch.

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Do we need to say anything about cipher suites that might get defined = for TLS 1.3 after we ship QUIC?

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Follow-up for #2032, which I merged a little hastily.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2034

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  • Use the same KDF regardless of TLS version

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Thank you for writing down the PR.

I know that this question has been asked before, but do we need PATH_C= HALLENGE and PATH_RESPONSE to verify NAT rebinding?

IIUC a client has only one path that can be used for send non-probing = packets. Therefore, a server receiving a non-probing packet (with a PN gr= eater than what it has seen before) can be used as a way to determine the= current active path.

So to me, it seems that just using PING will be sufficient for the ser= ver to verify what the client thinks as the current path. In other words,= there is no reason for a server to send PATH_CHALLENGE (and for= a client to send PATH_RESPONSE).

The reason I raise the question, even though I understand that the PAT= H_CHALLENGE / PATH_RESPONSE is nevertheless required for the client to "p= robe" for a new path, is because removing the requirement for the server = to send a challenge / wait for response seems like a simplification (at t= he cost of increasing asymmetry).

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Is the suggestion here to use the HKDF function defined in TLS 1.3 for= Handshake, 0-RTT, 1-RTT packets even when the negotiated version is TLS = 1.4?

I am not sure if that is a good idea, because there could be an "impro= vement" to the HKDF function in TLS 1.4. IMO, the use of the HKDF functio= n of TLS 1.3 should be limited to Initial packets.

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@kazuho requested changes on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2263,7 +2263,7 @@ following layout:
  0                   1                   2                   3
  0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
-|0|1|                   Random Bytes (166..)                  ...
+|0|1|                   Random Bits (190..)                  ...
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

Shouldn't this be 182?

The minimum sum of length(pn) + length(payload) is 2 in the current draft. That changes to 4 in the PR. Therefore the delta is 28, not 38.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2285,18 +2285,18 @@ number of random bytes following it are set to unpredictable values.  The last
 16 bytes of the datagram contain a Stateless Reset Token.
 
 A stateless reset will be interpreted by a recipient as a packet with a short
-header.  For the packet to appear as valid, the Random Bytes field needs to
-include at least 20 bytes of random or unpredictable values.  This is intended
-to allow for a destination connection ID of the maximum length permitted, a
-packet number, and minimal payload.  The Stateless Reset Token corresponds to
-the minimum expansion of the packet protection AEAD.  More random bytes might be
-necessary if the endpoint could have negotiated a packet protection scheme with
-a larger minimum AEAD expansion.
+header.  For the packet to appear as valid, the Random Bits field needs to
+include at least 190 bits of random or unpredictable values (or 24 bytes, less

Same as above.

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I tend to agree, some coordination is unavoidable - e.g. inform about CID/key rslations.

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It depends on whether you think that the upgrade to TLS is coordinated. If it isn't, then we'll have interop failure. If it is, that will artificially hamper 1.4 deployment.

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At least in my implementation, the simplification would be rather small. And the price for the overhead would be paid for every single packet.

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----==_mimepart_5bf50f0013d2d_73803ff6582d45b814641ae-- From nobody Tue Nov 20 23:57:30 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8C92130EE9 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 23:57:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z3X2ZKetrSbM for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 23:57:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9265D127332 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 23:57:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 23:57:25 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542787045; bh=sRiI0FvR1DDEvwxA9gRvBBUWWoh3J3WNUVkEoD2RUHk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=2RSszkmvSjGjZbnjGGaiTgEdLqWozI2GDCsw8v4m4qCwRdlKp/r4gbdxDaOo73EVM BqHV8OjY/eGR/kFajElZyCFhbwUrtWmex0P9RWfsX3MlvEHLrHIgZHEdr8lwXCr2Ce wtnvJgGi0HNxlxXDYJnFMIoiKtN1tV/25UfVxwOM= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Use the same KDF regardless of TLS version (#2034) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bf50fe53068c_4fdd3fa44e0d45bc17559b9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 07:57:29 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bf50fe53068c_4fdd3fa44e0d45bc17559b9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > If it isn't, then we'll have interop failure. If it is, that will artif= icially hamper 1.4 deployment.=0D =0D The answer depends on what type of API the TLS stacks would provide. For = example, it would not be an issue for a TLS stack that exposes a =E2=80=9C= method=E2=80=9D that creates a AEAD context from a TLS connection.=0D =0D Anyways, if we are to use the same HKDF construction for TLS 1.4 and abov= e, I do not see the reason for having the =E2=80=9Ctls13 =E2=80=9D prefix= . Should we revert #1991 to reduce the number of changes? -- = You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2034#issuecomment-440570473= ----==_mimepart_5bf50fe53068c_4fdd3fa44e0d45bc17559b9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

If it isn't, then we'll have interop failure. If it is, that will arti= ficially hamper 1.4 deployment.

The answer depends on what type of API the TLS stacks would provide. F= or example, it would not be an issue for a TLS stack that exposes a =E2=80= =9Cmethod=E2=80=9D that creates a AEAD context from a TLS connection.

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Anyways, if we are to use the same HKDF construction for TLS 1.4 and a= bove, I do not see the reason for having the =E2=80=9Ctls13 =E2=80=9D pre= fix. Should we revert #1991 to reduce the number of changes= ?

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PR #2023 covers reducing or pacing after an idle period to limit bursts. But path migration could also flood a new connection path even if there is no idle period, and this is not covered by any text that I am aware of.

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----==_mimepart_5bf52e59378f1_1f63f99114d45c48599a8-- From nobody Wed Nov 21 02:12:47 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5B89128CFD for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 02:12:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jitt4ysENfjG for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 02:12:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B1E912958B for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 02:12:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 02:12:43 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542795163; bh=vz5s3c+EYXGhVLRujFgDjPYc44Q72DWlsfcUD8XSaGw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=2DY7yg/+YjGM50gQZ3oSxjCG+xOefi2g4PzTdEdHNjGh6XDCyxNguG4l13LL881xm XVw76UQKEutK/9JNxdsLsv9It6Zd2gkZpObKW41tWsSYucRcXo/oHPd0nShbpFwygz f9H3cFNW5gZ8dp1D1n6LIdgWwZaJSRv9Xkp+BGKg= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Servers can't migrate. Period. (#2031) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bf52f9b5dc49_59143fb0524d45bc580092"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 10:12:46 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bf52f9b5dc49_59143fb0524d45bc580092 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I also dislike this asymmetry but the primary case for client server symmetry is in mostly static P2P server networks. However, if two voice chat users connect via QUIC using NAT hole punching, this becomes difficult to manage without migration. But I see @martinthomson's point on ICE. How can QUIC realistically handle this use case, because I think it has to, in some version at least. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2031#issuecomment-440608670 ----==_mimepart_5bf52f9b5dc49_59143fb0524d45bc580092 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I also dislike this asymmetry but the primary case for client server s= ymmetry is in mostly static P2P server networks.

However, if two voice chat users connect via QUIC using NAT hole punch= ing, this becomes difficult to manage without migration. But I see @martinthomson's point on ICE. How can QUIC realistically handle = this use case, because I think it has to, in some version at least.

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Fair point @marten-seemann but then I'd rather have the current solution because the sample location can the be determined with a single branchless min operation that cost 3 machine instructions rather than stuffing padding bytes on the wire in special cases.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1000,6 +999,17 @@ The recovery period limits congestion window reduction to once per round trip.
 During recovery, the congestion window remains unchanged irrespective of new
 losses or increases in the ECN-CE counter.
 
+## Loss of protected packets during the handshake
+
+0RTT and 1RTT packets sent prior to handshake completion can arrive before
+the peer has keys to unprotect them.  In those cases, the peer may decide
+not to buffer the packets.  This will cause the packets to never be
+acknowledged and eventually declared lost, despite being delivered to
+the peer.  If the server rejects 0RTT, then the congestion controller
+SHOULD ignore the loss of 0RTT packets.  If any 0RTT or 1RTT packets sent
+prior to knowing the peer has keys to unprotect them are lost, the
+sender's congestion control MAY ignore the loss of those packets if it's
+believe they were received by the peer prior to having the correct keys.

What if an attacker deliberately sends random packets at high rate? It is not an unlikely attack. Could this shrink the cnwd to the point where valid communication becomes ineffective? If so, it is not a MAY but a MUST.

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Good catch!

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@kazuho I'm not sure I fully agree, but when you consider that you probably have padding anyway to ensure packet lengths do not reveal too much, it starts to make more sense to me.

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@mikkelfj The text introduced in this PR deals specifically = about the encryption context of Initial packets which is actually an obfu= scation, therefore I do not think we have a risk here.

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I don't think this is safe, see discussion in #2032 #2032 (comment)

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@marten-seemann commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1766,7 +1768,8 @@ abandons its attempt=
 to validate the path.
 =

 Endpoints SHOULD abandon path validation based on a timer. When setting =
this
 timer, implementations are cautioned that the new path could have a long=
er
-round-trip time than the original.
+round-trip time than the original.  A value of three times the current
+Retransmittion Timeout (RTO) as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}} is RECOMMEN=
DED.

This won=E2=80=99t work out well when switching from a 10ms WiFi.
I don=E2=80=99t think any value derived from the current RTT helps here. = We don=E2=80=99t have any information about the new path, so I suggest we= define a constant duration.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1938,6 +1941,52 @@ Note that receipt o=
f packets with higher packet numbers from the legitimate peer
 address will trigger another connection migration.  This will cause the
 validation of the address of the spurious migration to be abandoned.
 =

+
+### Off-Path Packet Forwarding {#off-path-forward}
+
+An off-path attacker that can observe packets might forward copies of ge=
nuine
+packets to endpoints.  If the copied packet arrives before the genuine p=
acket,
+this will appear as a NAT rebinding.  Any genuine packet will be discard=
ed as a

We should be more precise in describing the attack:

  • when racing packets to the server, the attacker uses his own sender a= ddress on the UDP packet
  • when forwarding packets to the client, the attacker doesn=E2=80=99t s= poofs the server=E2=80=99s address

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Rewrite Packet Size section to make it clearer and to consider ICMP
handling and Datagram PLPMTUD.

  • Add normative reference to DPLPMTUD
  • Define MPS as the largest UDP Payload that can safely sent right now
  • Improved desctription of IPv4 and IPv6 protocols.
  • Discuss port numbers and connection ids as a method for verifying ICMP messages
  • Separation of ICMP processing from the method: PMTUD or PLPMTUD
  • Replace PLPMTUD considerations with DPLPMTUD considerations
  • Specify that probes can made from Packets carrying PING and PADDING frames

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2036

Commit Summary

  • Use DPLPMTUD rather than PLPMTUD
  • Rewrite Packet Size section
  • Merge branch 'master' into uoa/dplpmtu
  • Clean up whitespace

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Generally looks good to me. > -The PADDING frame provides a useful option for PMTU probe packets. PADDING -frames generate acknowledgements, but they need not be delivered reliably. As a -result, the loss of PADDING frames in probe packets does not require -delay-inducing retransmission. However, PADDING frames do consume congestion -window, which may delay the transmission of subsequent application data. - -When implementing the algorithm in Section 7.2 of {{!PLPMTUD}}, the initial -value of search_low SHOULD be consistent with the IPv6 minimum packet size. -Paths that do not support this size cannot deliver Initial packets, and -therefore are not QUIC-compliant. - -Section 7.3 of {{!PLPMTUD}} discusses trade-offs between small and large -increases in the size of probe packets. As QUIC probe packets need not contain -application data, aggressive increases in probe size carry fewer consequences. - +larger than 1280 bytes (assuming the minimum IP header size). This results in I feel like this `(assuming the minimum IP header size)` should be moved to the end of the following sentence instead of here. > +Each pair of local and remote addresses could have a different PMTU. QUIC +implementations that implement any kind of PMTU discovery therefore SHOULD +maintain a MPS for each combination of local and remote IP addresses. + +If a QUIC endpoint determines that the PMTU between any pair of local and +remote IP addresses has fallen below the size needed to support the smallest +allowed MPS, it MUST immediately cease sending QUIC packets on the +affected path. This could result in termination of the connection if an +alternative path cannot be found. + +### Processing ICMP Messages to reduce the PMTU {#icmp-pmtud} + +PMTU discovery {{!RFC1191}} {{!RFC8201}} relies on reception of ICMP messages +(e.g., IPv6 Packet Too Big, PTB, messages) that indicate when a packet is +dropped because it is larger than the local router MTU. DPLPMTUD can also +optionally utilise these messages. This use of ICMP messages is ```suggestion optionally utilize these messages. This use of ICMP messages is ``` > + +### Processing ICMP Messages to reduce the PMTU {#icmp-pmtud} + +PMTU discovery {{!RFC1191}} {{!RFC8201}} relies on reception of ICMP messages +(e.g., IPv6 Packet Too Big, PTB, messages) that indicate when a packet is +dropped because it is larger than the local router MTU. DPLPMTUD can also +optionally utilise these messages. This use of ICMP messages is +potentially vulnerable to off-path attacks that successfully guess the IP +address 3-tuple and reduce the PMTU to a bandwidth-inefficient value +{{!RFC8201}}. + +QUIC endpoints SHOULD provide validation to protect from off-path injection of +ICMP messages as specified in {{!RFC8201}} and Section 5.2 of {{!RFC8085}}. +This uses the quoted packet supplied in the payload of an ICMP message, which, +when present, can be used to associate the message with a corresponding +transport connection {{!DPLPMTUD}}. Is it acceptable that a man-on-the-side could use received packets to spoof the ICMP messages? > +that connection ID information corresponds to an active session. + +Further validation can also be provided: + +* An IPv4 endpoint could set the Don't Fragment (DF) bit on a small proportion + of packets, so that most invalid ICMP messages arrive when there are no DF + packets outstanding, and can therefore be identified as spurious. + +* An endpoint could store additional information from the IP or UDP headers to + use for validation (for example, the IP ID or UDP checksum). + +The endpoint SHOULD ignore all ICMP messages that are not validated or do not +carry sufficient quoted packet payload to perform validation. Any reduction in +the QUIC MPS MAY be provisional until QUIC's loss detection algorithm +determines that the quoted packet has actually been lost. + Since there should be enough quoted text to decode the packet number of the QUIC packet, you could save a hash/checksum of the first X bytes of the QUIC packet and validate that matches. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2036#pullrequestreview-177318978 ----==_mimepart_5bf58973dfc70_58943fb3166d45bc162212 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@nibanks approved this pull request.

Generally looks good to me.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -The PADDING frame provides a useful option =
for PMTU probe packets. PADDING
-frames generate acknowledgements, but they need not be delivered reliably.=
 As a
-result, the loss of PADDING frames in probe packets does not require
-delay-inducing retransmission. However, PADDING frames do consume congesti=
on
-window, which may delay the transmission of subsequent application data.
-
-When implementing the algorithm in Section 7.2 of {{!PLPMTUD}}, the initial
-value of search_low SHOULD be consistent with the IPv6 minimum packet size.
-Paths that do not support this size cannot deliver Initial packets, and
-therefore are not QUIC-compliant.
-
-Section 7.3 of {{!PLPMTUD}} discusses trade-offs between small and large
-increases in the size of probe packets. As QUIC probe packets need not con=
tain
-application data, aggressive increases in probe size carry fewer consequen=
ces.
-
+larger than 1280 bytes (assuming the minimum IP header size).  This result=
s in

I feel like this (assuming the minimum IP header size) shou= ld be moved to the end of the following sentence instead of here.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +Each pair of local and remote addresses cou=
ld have a different PMTU.  QUIC
+implementations that implement any kind of PMTU discovery therefore SHOULD
+maintain a MPS for each combination of local and remote IP addresses.
+
+If a QUIC endpoint determines that the PMTU between any pair of local and
+remote IP addresses has fallen below the size needed to support the smalle=
st
+allowed MPS, it MUST immediately cease sending QUIC packets on the
+affected path.  This could result in termination of the connection if an
+alternative path cannot be found.
+
+### Processing ICMP Messages to reduce the PMTU {#icmp-pmtud}
+
+PMTU discovery {{!RFC1191}} {{!RFC8201}} relies on reception of ICMP messa=
ges
+(e.g., IPv6 Packet Too Big, PTB, messages) that indicate when a packet is
+dropped because it is larger than the local router MTU. DPLPMTUD can also
+optionally utilise these messages.  This use of ICMP messages is
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-optionally utilise these messages.  This use of=
 ICMP messages is
+optionally utilize these messages.  This use of ICMP messages is

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+### Processing ICMP Messages to reduce the PMTU {#icmp-pmtud}
+
+PMTU discovery {{!RFC1191}} {{!RFC8201}} relies on reception of ICMP messa=
ges
+(e.g., IPv6 Packet Too Big, PTB, messages) that indicate when a packet is
+dropped because it is larger than the local router MTU. DPLPMTUD can also
+optionally utilise these messages.  This use of ICMP messages is
+potentially vulnerable to off-path attacks that successfully guess the IP
+address 3-tuple and reduce the PMTU to a bandwidth-inefficient value
+{{!RFC8201}}.
+
+QUIC endpoints SHOULD provide validation to protect from off-path injectio=
n of
+ICMP messages as specified in {{!RFC8201}} and Section 5.2 of {{!RFC8085}}.
+This uses the quoted packet supplied in the payload of an ICMP message, wh=
ich,
+when present, can be used to associate the message with a corresponding
+transport connection {{!DPLPMTUD}}.

Is it acceptable that a man-on-the-side could use received packets to sp= oof the ICMP messages?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +that connection ID information corresponds =
to an active session.
+
+Further validation can also be provided:
+
+* An IPv4 endpoint could set the Don't Fragment (DF) bit on a small pr=
oportion
+  of packets, so that most invalid ICMP messages arrive when there are no =
DF
+  packets outstanding, and can therefore be identified as spurious.
+
+* An endpoint could store additional information from the IP or UDP header=
s to
+  use for validation (for example, the IP ID or UDP checksum).
+
+The endpoint SHOULD ignore all ICMP messages that are not validated or do =
not
+carry sufficient quoted packet payload to perform validation.  Any reducti=
on in
+the QUIC MPS MAY be provisional until QUIC's loss detection algorithm
+determines that the quoted packet has actually been lost.
+

Since there should be enough quoted text to decode the packet number of = the QUIC packet, you could save a hash/checksum of the first X bytes of the= QUIC packet and validate that matches.

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This section now encompasses a lot of what used to be "Encoding Strategies". In the places where I added new text, I temporarily added HTML comments to indicicate so it can get a bit more detailed review. I also deleted a few sentences/paragraphs/sections that I found to be redundant: - Preventing Eviction Races - "An encoder also respects..." - "For header blocks encoded in..." - Single Pass Encoding - "All table updates occur on..." Commit: 6ff9fda2a2e74b5a29fe26a81b57579e07f54283 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6ff9fda2a2e74b5a29fe26a81b57579e07f54283 Author: Alan Frindell Date: 2018-10-29 (Mon, 29 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md Log Message: ----------- Address most editorial comments Not addressed: 1. I left the drawing with 'Draining Entries' without a specific definition in the text. I think it can be interpreted OK, and 'Unreferencable' isn't actually true. 2. With respect to leaving blocked data in flow control, I changed should to SHOULD instead of can. My understanding is that you don't have to do a SHOULD, if you have a good reason? It's important enough that we want to convey more than ability. 3. I skipped redoing the indexing diagram for its own commit 4. I haven't moved the TSS guidance out of the TSS instruction section yet. I can't lift the whole paragraph without refactoring some of the other text. 5. I think peer's encoder/decoder is correctly possessive. Doesn't the coder belong to the peer? 6. I removed all the instances of 'A decoder', but there are still a bunch of references to 'An encoder'. I'm not sure if the consistency is an improvement in readability yet, so delaying changing more pending feedback. Commit: 5e54faf7111c78cbfe62fa934c3fcbe7e83f7102 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5e54faf7111c78cbfe62fa934c3fcbe7e83f7102 Author: Alan Frindell Date: 2018-10-30 (Tue, 30 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md Log Message: ----------- Addressing more editorial feedback I missed some of the comments in the first pass. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +Each pair of local and remote addresses could have a different PMTU.  QUIC
+implementations that implement any kind of PMTU discovery therefore SHOULD
+maintain a MPS for each combination of local and remote IP addresses.
+
+If a QUIC endpoint determines that the PMTU between any pair of local and
+remote IP addresses has fallen below the size needed to support the smallest
+allowed MPS, it MUST immediately cease sending QUIC packets on the
+affected path.  This could result in termination of the connection if an
+alternative path cannot be found.
+
+### Processing ICMP Messages to reduce the PMTU {#icmp-pmtud}
+
+PMTU discovery {{!RFC1191}} {{!RFC8201}} relies on reception of ICMP messages
+(e.g., IPv6 Packet Too Big, PTB, messages) that indicate when a packet is
+dropped because it is larger than the local router MTU. DPLPMTUD can also
+optionally utilise these messages.  This use of ICMP messages is

@nibanks, is there a consensus to utilize American English?

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@nibanks commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +Each pair of local and remote addresses could have a different PMTU.  QUIC
+implementations that implement any kind of PMTU discovery therefore SHOULD
+maintain a MPS for each combination of local and remote IP addresses.
+
+If a QUIC endpoint determines that the PMTU between any pair of local and
+remote IP addresses has fallen below the size needed to support the smallest
+allowed MPS, it MUST immediately cease sending QUIC packets on the
+affected path.  This could result in termination of the connection if an
+alternative path cannot be found.
+
+### Processing ICMP Messages to reduce the PMTU {#icmp-pmtud}
+
+PMTU discovery {{!RFC1191}} {{!RFC8201}} relies on reception of ICMP messages
+(e.g., IPv6 Packet Too Big, PTB, messages) that indicate when a packet is
+dropped because it is larger than the local router MTU. DPLPMTUD can also
+optionally utilise these messages.  This use of ICMP messages is

No clue. I think in general it is used, but I have no idea if there is any consensus or requirement. It was just a suggestion. Feel free to ignore.

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Hyphens, wording, etc. The idea looks fine. > @@ -1000,6 +999,17 @@ The recovery period limits congestion window reduction to once per round trip. During recovery, the congestion window remains unchanged irrespective of new losses or increases in the ECN-CE counter. +## Loss of protected packets during the handshake + +0RTT and 1RTT packets sent prior to handshake completion can arrive before ```suggestion Handshake and 0-RTT packets sent by clients and 1-RTT packets sent by servers prior to handshake completion can arrive before ``` > @@ -1000,6 +999,17 @@ The recovery period limits congestion window reduction to once per round trip. During recovery, the congestion window remains unchanged irrespective of new losses or increases in the ECN-CE counter. +## Loss of protected packets during the handshake + +0RTT and 1RTT packets sent prior to handshake completion can arrive before +the peer has keys to unprotect them. In those cases, the peer may decide +not to buffer the packets. This will cause the packets to never be +acknowledged and eventually declared lost, despite being delivered to +the peer. If the server rejects 0RTT, then the congestion controller ```suggestion the peer. If the server rejects 0-RTT, then the congestion controller ``` > @@ -1000,6 +999,17 @@ The recovery period limits congestion window reduction to once per round trip. During recovery, the congestion window remains unchanged irrespective of new losses or increases in the ECN-CE counter. +## Loss of protected packets during the handshake + +0RTT and 1RTT packets sent prior to handshake completion can arrive before +the peer has keys to unprotect them. In those cases, the peer may decide +not to buffer the packets. This will cause the packets to never be +acknowledged and eventually declared lost, despite being delivered to +the peer. If the server rejects 0RTT, then the congestion controller +SHOULD ignore the loss of 0RTT packets. If any 0RTT or 1RTT packets sent ```suggestion SHOULD ignore the loss of 0-RTT packets. If any 0-RTT or 1-RTT packets sent ``` > @@ -1000,6 +999,17 @@ The recovery period limits congestion window reduction to once per round trip. During recovery, the congestion window remains unchanged irrespective of new losses or increases in the ECN-CE counter. +## Loss of protected packets during the handshake + +0RTT and 1RTT packets sent prior to handshake completion can arrive before +the peer has keys to unprotect them. In those cases, the peer may decide +not to buffer the packets. This will cause the packets to never be +acknowledged and eventually declared lost, despite being delivered to +the peer. If the server rejects 0RTT, then the congestion controller +SHOULD ignore the loss of 0RTT packets. If any 0RTT or 1RTT packets sent +prior to knowing the peer has keys to unprotect them are lost, the +sender's congestion control MAY ignore the loss of those packets if it's +believe they were received by the peer prior to having the correct keys. Traffic injection seems orthogonal to saying that there's a non-congestive form of loss that might get some grace during the handshake. Injecting enough traffic to overwhelm the link and induce loss can happen at any point in the connection, because it's real loss from real congestion. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2028#pullrequestreview-177364190 ----==_mimepart_5bf59c3d6a9ac_4b8d3f959b4d45c07759 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Hyphens, wording, etc. The idea looks fine.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1000,6 +999,17 @@ The recovery period =
limits congestion window reduction to once per round trip.
 During recovery, the congestion window remains unchanged irrespective of=
 new
 losses or increases in the ECN-CE counter.
 =

+## Loss of protected packets during the handshake
+
+0RTT and 1RTT packets sent prior to handshake completion can arrive befo=
re
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-0RTT and 1RTT packets sent prior to handshake=
 completion can arrive before
+Handshake and 0-RTT packets sent by clients and 1-RTT packets sent by se=
rvers
+prior to handshake completion can arrive before

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1000,6 +999,17 @@ The recovery period =
limits congestion window reduction to once per round trip.
 During recovery, the congestion window remains unchanged irrespective of=
 new
 losses or increases in the ECN-CE counter.
 =

+## Loss of protected packets during the handshake
+
+0RTT and 1RTT packets sent prior to handshake completion can arrive befo=
re
+the peer has keys to unprotect them.  In those cases, the peer may decid=
e
+not to buffer the packets.  This will cause the packets to never be
+acknowledged and eventually declared lost, despite being delivered to
+the peer.  If the server rejects 0RTT, then the congestion controller
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-the peer.  If the server rejects 0RTT, then t=
he congestion controller
+the peer.  If the server rejects 0-RTT, then the congestion controller

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1000,6 +999,17 @@ The recovery period =
limits congestion window reduction to once per round trip.
 During recovery, the congestion window remains unchanged irrespective of=
 new
 losses or increases in the ECN-CE counter.
 =

+## Loss of protected packets during the handshake
+
+0RTT and 1RTT packets sent prior to handshake completion can arrive befo=
re
+the peer has keys to unprotect them.  In those cases, the peer may decid=
e
+not to buffer the packets.  This will cause the packets to never be
+acknowledged and eventually declared lost, despite being delivered to
+the peer.  If the server rejects 0RTT, then the congestion controller
+SHOULD ignore the loss of 0RTT packets.  If any 0RTT or 1RTT packets sen=
t
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-SHOULD ignore the loss of 0RTT packets.  If a=
ny 0RTT or 1RTT packets sent
+SHOULD ignore the loss of 0-RTT packets.  If any 0-RTT or 1-RTT packets =
sent

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1000,6 +999,17 @@ The recovery period =
limits congestion window reduction to once per round trip.
 During recovery, the congestion window remains unchanged irrespective of=
 new
 losses or increases in the ECN-CE counter.
 =

+## Loss of protected packets during the handshake
+
+0RTT and 1RTT packets sent prior to handshake completion can arrive befo=
re
+the peer has keys to unprotect them.  In those cases, the peer may decid=
e
+not to buffer the packets.  This will cause the packets to never be
+acknowledged and eventually declared lost, despite being delivered to
+the peer.  If the server rejects 0RTT, then the congestion controller
+SHOULD ignore the loss of 0RTT packets.  If any 0RTT or 1RTT packets sen=
t
+prior to knowing the peer has keys to unprotect them are lost, the
+sender's congestion control MAY ignore the loss of those packets if =
it's
+believe they were received by the peer prior to having the correct keys.=

Traffic injection seems orthogonal to saying that there's a non-conges= tive form of loss that might get some grace during the handshake. Inject= ing enough traffic to overwhelm the link and induce loss can happen at an= y point in the connection, because it's real loss from real congestion.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1766,7 +1768,8 @@ abandons its attempt to validate the path.
 
 Endpoints SHOULD abandon path validation based on a timer. When setting this
 timer, implementations are cautioned that the new path could have a longer
-round-trip time than the original.
+round-trip time than the original.  A value of three times the current
+Retransmittion Timeout (RTO) as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}} is RECOMMENDED.

I had the same thought, or a minimum value of sorts.

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@MikeBishop but even if punching via ICE, both endpoints could be travelling (like moving from train wifi to station wifi). I like the idea of fixing the server from an attack perspective, but I'm afraid it is too restrictive.

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The UDP payload includes the QUIC packet header, +protected payload, and any authentication fields. This can be depend upon the ```suggestion protected payload, and any authentication fields. This can depend upon the ``` > -## Path Maximum Transmission Unit +The PMTU is the maximum size of the entire IP datagram including the IP header, +UDP header, and UDP payload. The UDP payload includes the QUIC packet header, +protected payload, and any authentication fields. This can be depend upon the +current path characteristics. Therefore, the current largest UDP payload an +implementation will send is referred to as QUIC Maximum Packet Size (MPS). Do we need a new defined-and-capitalized term for this? Is there a reason this would be different from "current estimated PMTU"? > -The Path Maximum Transmission Unit (PMTU) is the maximum size of the entire IP -header, UDP header, and UDP payload. The UDP payload includes the QUIC packet -header, protected payload, and any authentication fields. +QUIC depends on a PMTU of at least 1280 bytes. This is the IPv6 minimum size +{{!RFC8200}} and is also supported by most modern IPv4 networks. All QUIC +packets (except for PMTU probe packets) SHOULD be sized to fit within the MPS +to avoid IP fragmentation or packet drop along the path {{!RFC8805}. "to avoid packet drop" feels like it's missing a word, or at least a letter. "to avoid packet drops"? Seems a little colloquial, but if it's accurate, maybe. "to avoid the packet being fragmented or dropped", perhaps? > +Each pair of local and remote addresses could have a different PMTU. QUIC +implementations that implement any kind of PMTU discovery therefore SHOULD +maintain a MPS for each combination of local and remote IP addresses. + +If a QUIC endpoint determines that the PMTU between any pair of local and +remote IP addresses has fallen below the size needed to support the smallest +allowed MPS, it MUST immediately cease sending QUIC packets on the +affected path. This could result in termination of the connection if an +alternative path cannot be found. + +### Processing ICMP Messages to reduce the PMTU {#icmp-pmtud} + +PMTU discovery {{!RFC1191}} {{!RFC8201}} relies on reception of ICMP messages +(e.g., IPv6 Packet Too Big, PTB, messages) that indicate when a packet is +dropped because it is larger than the local router MTU. DPLPMTUD can also +optionally utilise these messages. This use of ICMP messages is RFC7322: > The RFC publication language is English. Spelling may be either American or British, as long as an individual document is internally consistent. Where both American and British English spelling are used within a document or cluster of documents, the text will be modified to be consistent with American English spelling. > +that connection ID information corresponds to an active session. + +Further validation can also be provided: + +* An IPv4 endpoint could set the Don't Fragment (DF) bit on a small proportion + of packets, so that most invalid ICMP messages arrive when there are no DF + packets outstanding, and can therefore be identified as spurious. + +* An endpoint could store additional information from the IP or UDP headers to + use for validation (for example, the IP ID or UDP checksum). + +The endpoint SHOULD ignore all ICMP messages that are not validated or do not +carry sufficient quoted packet payload to perform validation. Any reduction in +the QUIC MPS MAY be provisional until QUIC's loss detection algorithm +determines that the quoted packet has actually been lost. + That guards against an ICMP message that's wholly fabricated, but not against the man-on-the-side attack. If the attacker legitimately saw a packet, the only way you detect the attack is when the peer acks the supposedly-too-big packet. > + +### Processing ICMP Messages to reduce the PMTU {#icmp-pmtud} + +PMTU discovery {{!RFC1191}} {{!RFC8201}} relies on reception of ICMP messages +(e.g., IPv6 Packet Too Big, PTB, messages) that indicate when a packet is +dropped because it is larger than the local router MTU. DPLPMTUD can also +optionally utilise these messages. This use of ICMP messages is +potentially vulnerable to off-path attacks that successfully guess the IP +address 3-tuple and reduce the PMTU to a bandwidth-inefficient value +{{!RFC8201}}. + +QUIC endpoints SHOULD provide validation to protect from off-path injection of +ICMP messages as specified in {{!RFC8201}} and Section 5.2 of {{!RFC8085}}. +This uses the quoted packet supplied in the payload of an ICMP message, which, +when present, can be used to associate the message with a corresponding +transport connection {{!DPLPMTUD}}. Unfortunately, the best security we have when trying to confirm that a message came from someone on path is that it saw the packet. We should be wary of believing such unauthenticated messages blindly, however -- this might instead be a signal to re-do PMTUD, or as noted below, be a provisional signal until the packet is independently declared lost. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@MikeBishop commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

-## Path Maximum Transmission Unit
+The PMTU is the maximum size of the entire IP datagram including the IP =
header,
+UDP header, and UDP payload.  The UDP payload includes the QUIC packet h=
eader,
+protected payload, and any authentication fields. This can be depend upo=
n the
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-protected payload, and any authentication fie=
lds. This can be depend upon the
+protected payload, and any authentication fields. This can depend upon t=
he

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

-## Path Maximum Transmission Unit
+The PMTU is the maximum size of the entire IP datagram including the IP =
header,
+UDP header, and UDP payload.  The UDP payload includes the QUIC packet h=
eader,
+protected payload, and any authentication fields. This can be depend upo=
n the
+current path characteristics.  Therefore, the current largest UDP payloa=
d an
+implementation will send is referred to as QUIC Maximum Packet Size (MPS=
).

Do we need a new defined-and-capitalized term for this? Is there a rea= son this would be different from "current estimated PMTU"?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

-The Path Maximum Transmission Unit (PMTU) is the maximum size of the ent=
ire IP
-header, UDP header, and UDP payload. The UDP payload includes the QUIC p=
acket
-header, protected payload, and any authentication fields.
+QUIC depends on a PMTU of at least 1280 bytes. This is the IPv6 minimum =
size
+{{!RFC8200}} and is also supported by most modern IPv4 networks.  All QU=
IC
+packets (except for PMTU probe packets) SHOULD be sized to fit within th=
e MPS
+to avoid IP fragmentation or packet drop along the path {{!RFC8805}.

"to avoid packet drop" feels like it's missing a word, or at least a l= etter. "to avoid packet drops"? Seems a little colloquial, but if it's = accurate, maybe. "to avoid the packet being fragmented or dropped", perh= aps?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +Each pair of local and remote addresses c=
ould have a different PMTU.  QUIC
+implementations that implement any kind of PMTU discovery therefore SHOU=
LD
+maintain a MPS for each combination of local and remote IP addresses.
+
+If a QUIC endpoint determines that the PMTU between any pair of local an=
d
+remote IP addresses has fallen below the size needed to support the smal=
lest
+allowed MPS, it MUST immediately cease sending QUIC packets on the
+affected path.  This could result in termination of the connection if an=

+alternative path cannot be found.
+
+### Processing ICMP Messages to reduce the PMTU {#icmp-pmtud}
+
+PMTU discovery {{!RFC1191}} {{!RFC8201}} relies on reception of ICMP mes=
sages
+(e.g., IPv6 Packet Too Big, PTB, messages) that indicate when a packet i=
s
+dropped because it is larger than the local router MTU. DPLPMTUD can als=
o
+optionally utilise these messages.  This use of ICMP messages is

RFC7322:

The RFC publication language is English. Spelling may be either Ameri= can or British, as long as an individual document is internally consisten= t. Where both American and British English spelling are used within a do= cument or cluster of documents, the text will be modified to be consisten= t with American English spelling.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +that connection ID information correspond=
s to an active session.
+
+Further validation can also be provided:
+
+* An IPv4 endpoint could set the Don't Fragment (DF) bit on a small =
proportion
+  of packets, so that most invalid ICMP messages arrive when there are n=
o DF
+  packets outstanding, and can therefore be identified as spurious.
+
+* An endpoint could store additional information from the IP or UDP head=
ers to
+  use for validation (for example, the IP ID or UDP checksum).
+
+The endpoint SHOULD ignore all ICMP messages that are not validated or d=
o not
+carry sufficient quoted packet payload to perform validation.  Any reduc=
tion in
+the QUIC MPS MAY be provisional until QUIC's loss detection algorith=
m
+determines that the quoted packet has actually been lost.
+

That guards against an ICMP message that's wholly fabricated, but not = against the man-on-the-side attack. If the attacker legitimately saw a p= acket, the only way you detect the attack is when the peer acks the suppo= sedly-too-big packet.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+### Processing ICMP Messages to reduce the PMTU {#icmp-pmtud}
+
+PMTU discovery {{!RFC1191}} {{!RFC8201}} relies on reception of ICMP mes=
sages
+(e.g., IPv6 Packet Too Big, PTB, messages) that indicate when a packet i=
s
+dropped because it is larger than the local router MTU. DPLPMTUD can als=
o
+optionally utilise these messages.  This use of ICMP messages is
+potentially vulnerable to off-path attacks that successfully guess the I=
P
+address 3-tuple and reduce the PMTU to a bandwidth-inefficient value
+{{!RFC8201}}.
+
+QUIC endpoints SHOULD provide validation to protect from off-path inject=
ion of
+ICMP messages as specified in {{!RFC8201}} and Section 5.2 of {{!RFC8085=
}}.
+This uses the quoted packet supplied in the payload of an ICMP message, =
which,
+when present, can be used to associate the message with a corresponding
+transport connection {{!DPLPMTUD}}.

Unfortunately, the best security we have when trying to confirm that a= message came from someone on path is that it saw the packet. We should = be wary of believing such unauthenticated messages blindly, however -- th= is might instead be a signal to re-do PMTUD, or as noted below, be a prov= isional signal until the packet is independently declared lost.

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= = ----==_mimepart_5bf59fe9ea9f0_21af3fba8c2d45c03482-- From nobody Wed Nov 21 10:14:29 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51E99128AFB for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 10:14:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7wqyAaHhm-3i for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 10:14:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7696B128CE4 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 10:14:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 10:14:25 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542824065; bh=xGpq8aCEauuz7vGzNu74LyI7wPMHJlH+7ZmQEtnj6Ws=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=iAbTmm75FTzVG5QoSgq94iy+eaXNsm0vWRUJQYI1XaZYMm9oUuJ1OXHEAI9LRvaFO FRYsFo9BRbPes+R4FCNXTaTzh9jS5Me4A65BFrKxY8OobrsH1m4xzsFOG3gzVIgrNi px7MDTJH8d6cumKeNNeDN559vbZeWjK8IMf+nEOU= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Ignore loss of undecryptable packets (#2028) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bf5a0818d7bb_5d443fa9338d45c0102120"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 18:14:28 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bf5a0818d7bb_5d443fa9338d45c0102120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mikkelfj commented on this pull request. > @@ -1000,6 +999,17 @@ The recovery period limits congestion window reduction to once per round trip. During recovery, the congestion window remains unchanged irrespective of new losses or increases in the ECN-CE counter. +## Loss of protected packets during the handshake + +0RTT and 1RTT packets sent prior to handshake completion can arrive before +the peer has keys to unprotect them. In those cases, the peer may decide +not to buffer the packets. This will cause the packets to never be +acknowledged and eventually declared lost, despite being delivered to +the peer. If the server rejects 0RTT, then the congestion controller +SHOULD ignore the loss of 0RTT packets. If any 0RTT or 1RTT packets sent +prior to knowing the peer has keys to unprotect them are lost, the +sender's congestion control MAY ignore the loss of those packets if it's +believe they were received by the peer prior to having the correct keys. But the question is if it can be done with far less resources here because it is not only taking bandwidth but also convincing and endpoint to back off. I don't know enough this to really know. It could also be the window is overestimated, which is not such a bad thing in this case. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2028#discussion_r235493381 ----==_mimepart_5bf5a0818d7bb_5d443fa9338d45c0102120 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1000,6 +999,17 @@ The recovery period limits congestion window reduction to once per round trip.
 During recovery, the congestion window remains unchanged irrespective of new
 losses or increases in the ECN-CE counter.
 
+## Loss of protected packets during the handshake
+
+0RTT and 1RTT packets sent prior to handshake completion can arrive before
+the peer has keys to unprotect them.  In those cases, the peer may decide
+not to buffer the packets.  This will cause the packets to never be
+acknowledged and eventually declared lost, despite being delivered to
+the peer.  If the server rejects 0RTT, then the congestion controller
+SHOULD ignore the loss of 0RTT packets.  If any 0RTT or 1RTT packets sent
+prior to knowing the peer has keys to unprotect them are lost, the
+sender's congestion control MAY ignore the loss of those packets if it's
+believe they were received by the peer prior to having the correct keys.

But the question is if it can be done with far less resources here because it is not only taking bandwidth but also convincing and endpoint to back off. I don't know enough this to really know. It could also be the window is overestimated, which is not such a bad thing in this case.

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I agree it feels a bit verbose, but I think all the right information is there.

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And padding or not, it should be exceptionally rare to have sub-three-= byte payloads. A packet that includes no frames is invalid; an ACK can't= be smaller than five bytes at the minimum and is likely a good bit large= r.

So what is that one- or two-byte packet you're sending? Probably a ke= ep-alive with a PING frame by itself, and you could just modify the keep-= alive code to generate three PING frames instead of one. At that point, = the check for undersized packets will be nearly 100% on the not-undersize= d branch.

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@mikkelfj, that's not a barrier. IIUC, ICE should track tho= se changes of IP address. What I'm suggesting is that P2P would delegate= all the address management to ICE, and consider the endpoints that ICE p= rovides it as being the same "address". From P2P QUIC's standpoint, no o= ne ever changes address.

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= ----==_mimepart_5bf5aa8fad110_73713f976ced45c0781ae-- From nobody Wed Nov 21 11:09:47 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62B90130DFB for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 11:09:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2iSmeEovXYJt for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 11:09:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EAAC6130DDC for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 11:09:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 11:09:43 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542827383; bh=Lo2I84nnaAb5My8XHZKM9StFxmajdcYT98llrBepHtM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=bWWVhgN1kdWJrOp9k8Hl5YZ4Wje0TJWWSQD+CttOo8K99smnylWXK5wvJ73pml+j2 IVCx8PRzAByWxBRGNK+XHM1C7ZTFtLr6kbrIqB4izUQKDXTEG2WGIRQj22Fpf4piLd 5mfBZr/MFkP7kxOBnbIADLKtMpCedz3M6YVL/8iI= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Servers can't migrate. Period. (#2031) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bf5ad77621a_462a3f83f82d45b835710"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 19:09:46 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bf5ad77621a_462a3f83f82d45b835710 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not up to speed on all the punc techs, but my impression is that you often want to end up in a situation where there is no middle man involved after the initial connection is established. Any local NAT boxes would have been punched. I'm not sure this is possible with just QUIC, but some driver logic should be able to provide an IP/port combo to the other end. But this is for stationary NAT. You can also imagine an intial rendezvous service that is not necessarily punching NAT but rather provides a location service. Once you connect using driver logic, the IP/port is handed to QUIC, and then migration becomes an issue because there is only the endpoints to track the migrations. This is the two traveller scenario as opposed to domestic Skype or Bittorrent. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2031#issuecomment-440778341 ----==_mimepart_5bf5ad77621a_462a3f83f82d45b835710 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm not up to speed on all the punc techs, but my impression is that y= ou often want to end up in a situation where there is no middle man invol= ved after the initial connection is established. Any local NAT boxes woul= d have been punched. I'm not sure this is possible with just QUIC, but so= me driver logic should be able to provide an IP/port combo to the other e= nd. But this is for stationary NAT.

You can also imagine an intial rendezvous service that is not necessar= ily punching NAT but rather provides a location service. Once you connect= using driver logic, the IP/port is handed to QUIC, and then migration be= comes an issue because there is only the endpoints to track the migration= s. This is the two traveller scenario as opposed to domestic Skype or Bit= torrent.

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I see where you are going, but I don't think that this is using "the current TLS KDF". That's what put us in this bind in the first place. We have to be more concrete than that, and that means specifying exactly what to do with the secrets that TLS provides.

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FWIW, I tend to agree @martinthomson that always using t= he TLS 1.3 HKDF for packet protection is simpler.

I can see that the TLS-version-independent construction required by #2032 can be complex depending on the TLS stack (to be honest= , it would be complex in picotls too, unless we create a API like the one= in
#2034 (comment)). OTOH, it is uncertain if we would g= ain anything from a HKDF construction that's trying to be version-indepen= dent, there's no guarantee that the future versions of TLS uses a KDF tha= t is API-compatible with that of TLS 1.3.

Therefore, I am not against mandating the use of TLS "1.3" HKDF for QU= ICv1. The only complaint I have is that, then, we do not need the "tls13 = " prefix. Having it is not bad by itself, but imposes an unnecessary chan= ge to the implementors.

I feel sorry for the asking the editors to revert #1991 af= ter spending an effort on it. But I am not sure if we can convince that t= he implementors #1991 is a necessary change if we adopt the= text of this PR.

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HKDF is generally designed to strengthen weak input data. With a stron= g session key AES-CTR could be used instead of a HMAC HKDF to derive traf= fic keys. To separate QUIC versions, the session key could be version sal= tet.

Maybe HMAC is better at protecting against weak session keys due to ba= d PRNGs or side-channels, but I doubt it.

If a general solution is sought, some consideration ought to be direct= ed towards versions that do not use TLS crypto. For example a version tha= t uses a much smaller/faster crypto subset.

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HMAC is used in TLS because it has proven security properties. There = are alternatives (a construction based on AES is one of those), but they = don't have security proofs that would support the proofs of TLS. Favouri= ng proven primitives is the conservative approach. If a primitive that i= s faster can be proven to provide the properties we require, we can deter= mine at that point whether defining a new version is worthwhile.

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I agree with @marten-seemann (and others above): I'd prefer if we could have more symmetry in this area and would be interested in exploring that later, but I also see why it's necessary to stick with this for v1.

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@RyanAtGoogle and @martinduke, I'd ideally like your input before I merge this.

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@RyanAtGoogle approved this pull request.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fixes #1846. This is an attempt to remove the head-of-line blocking on SETTINGS in HTTP. The principle is: - The default value of each setting should always be acceptable to the remote endpoint (i.e. minimal) - Only send what you know the peer is willing to consume This results in most settings defaulting to zero. A client or server can wait for the SETTINGS frame to arrive (for example, in hopes of learning that the peer supports a non-zero QPACK table), or can proceed based on what it knows -- i.e. no QPACK table, no placeholders. I expanded the discussion of how negotiation works in a purely declarative world, noting that there's no synchronization marker unless the extension itself creates one. (For an incompatible frame type, the marker would obviously be that you start using it. For a change to an existing frame type, things get complicated. Don't do that.) (It's worth noting that we could go a step further -- if an endpoint doesn't want to change from the initial values, it currently MUST still send an empty SETTINGS frame as the first frame of the control stream. We could instead say that if the first frame isn't SETTINGS, the initial values become final.) The sole setting that breaks this pattern is SETTINGS_MAX_HEADER_LIST_SIZE -- the default is unlimited, and a change from the default will clearly be less permissive, which is otherwise prohibited. But defaulting it to zero would prohibit sending any requests until the SETTINGS frame is received. 7540 terms this setting as "advisory," so I've expanded text noting that this is purely a courtesy to the other side and not binding. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2038 -- Commit Summary -- * Default settings * MAX_HEADER is advisory -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (47) M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md (6) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2038.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2038.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2038 ----==_mimepart_5bf5dc0e50be4_9633fb110ad45c05714b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Fixes #1846.

This is an attempt to remove the head-of-line blocking on SETTINGS in HTTP. The principle is:

  • The default value of each setting should always be acceptable to the remote endpoint (i.e. minimal)
  • Only send what you know the peer is willing to consume

This results in most settings defaulting to zero. A client or server can wait for the SETTINGS frame to arrive (for example, in hopes of learning that the peer supports a non-zero QPACK table), or can proceed based on what it knows -- i.e. no QPACK table, no placeholders.

I expanded the discussion of how negotiation works in a purely declarative world, noting that there's no synchronization marker unless the extension itself creates one. (For an incompatible frame type, the marker would obviously be that you start using it. For a change to an existing frame type, things get complicated. Don't do that.)

(It's worth noting that we could go a step further -- if an endpoint doesn't want to change from the initial values, it currently MUST still send an empty SETTINGS frame as the first frame of the control stream. We could instead say that if the first frame isn't SETTINGS, the initial values become final.)

The sole setting that breaks this pattern is SETTINGS_MAX_HEADER_LIST_SIZE -- the default is unlimited, and a change from the default will clearly be less permissive, which is otherwise prohibited. But defaulting it to zero would prohibit sending any requests until the SETTINGS frame is received. 7540 terms this setting as "advisory," so I've expanded text noting that this is purely a courtesy to the other side and not binding.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2038

Commit Summary

  • Default settings
  • MAX_HEADER is advisory

File Changes

Patch Links:

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This is glorious! I'd not at all been looking forward to adding support for a HOL-blocking SETTINGS frame to our QUIC implementation and am thrilled to not have to do that at all! :)

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Yup, this is a pragmatic decision. Note that the chances that there's congestion and that the only packets that get dropped are non-retransmittable ones is very low.

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@larseggert : That is correct behavior because even though= packets have been deemed lost, nothing has been resent yet. bytes_in_fli= ght =3D=3D 0 means that there's nothing to start a timer for. When the lo= st data is retransmitted in new packets, OnPacketSent gets called, which = sets the timer.

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Ugh. I'm making this more complicated that it needs to be. I'm closing this PR and opening one against master.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is an alternate patch to #2024. Closes #1983. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2040 -- Commit Summary -- * Alternate patch -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (10) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2040.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2040.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2040 ----==_mimepart_5bf5e8e359e2c_475e3fc8a7ad45bc1608eb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This is an alternate patch to #2024.

Closes #1983.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2040

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I was leaving comments against this PR, but decided that it was just easier to write it up in PR #2040. See if that's better.

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Merged #2008 into master.

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@marten-seemann : Fair enough, but I think it's just simpler to assume this generally for now.

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I like this, but since the state is not totally reset in case of Retry since you can Retry at most once, perhaps this should be clarified?

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@martinthomson : I don't think there is any text that suggests a server "not attach too much significance to values chosen by clients".

Do folks think it might be useful to add to Security Considerations?

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -780,9 +780,12 @@ connection ID in the =
client's first Initial packet (see {{initial-secrets}}).
 This provides protection against off-path attackers and robustness again=
st QUIC
 version unaware middleboxes, but not against on-path attackers.
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-All ciphersuites currently defined for TLS 1.3 - and therefore QUIC - ha=
ve a
-16-byte authentication tag and produce an output 16 bytes larger than th=
eir
-input.
+QUIC can use any of the ciphersuites defined in {{!TLS13}} with the exce=
ption of

use normative language perhaps?

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in {{!TLS13}} with the exception of
+QUIC can use any of the ciphersuites defined in {{!TLS13}} but MUST NOT =
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This is covered in Section 9.4 of the transport draft.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -753,6 +753,10 @@ thus ensuring that the keys are different for each version of QUIC. This
 prevents a middlebox that only recognizes one version of QUIC from seeing or
 modifying the contents of handshake packets from future versions.
 
+The HKDF function defined in TLS 1.3 MUST be used even in case the minimum TLS
+version that the endpoint is willing to use is greater, so as to assure that
+the peer can decrypt the packet.

s/the packet/the Initial packet

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -715,6 +715,11 @@ method described in Section 7.3 of {{!TLS13}}), with the labels "quic key" and
 respectively).  Using these labels provides key separation between QUIC and TLS,
 see {{key-diversity}}.
 
+The HKDF-Expand-Label function defined in TLS 1.3 MUST be used even when a
+different TLS version is negotiated, or - for Initial packets - if the TLS
+versions offered do not include TLS 1.3.  This ensures that the selection of TLS
+version is independent of the process used to derive QUIC keys.

It might be useful to describe the nuance here -- that Initial packets are expected to be decrypted before a TLS version is negotiated, and therefore there needs to be prior agreement on the HKDF-Expand-Label function used for it.

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----==_mimepart_5bf5f0272829_20073f88456d45b82275b1-- From nobody Wed Nov 21 16:12:57 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 808DD12D4E9 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 16:12:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gtT1qMc2jgHO for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 16:12:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-11.smtp.github.com (out-11.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B6E41128D0C for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 16:12:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 16:12:52 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542845572; bh=tTywUEGnXz1iHcFEXO15WIcwgKlDTkKey7RHN52nNaI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=mU5Z2fBofnXuGg5a5sN9laXHFgrXx+80vySMxJOtNFZTx2l6hmOJOXLNVAdimRaxS 9F3G/FMaSfeJSXWXKbLryDaYwBq2qYLkMMtOanYIAMPoBS3XgMbxEnGJ82PmZ/+XSO SiC4EwKBH3S4GgT4+vnu8zvb3ghphe+LkLp8oUBM= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Rewrite Packet Size section (#2036) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bf5f48417437_6f993fd3316d45b85054d5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2018 00:12:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bf5f48417437_6f993fd3316d45b85054d5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. Editorial comments for the most part. This looks like an improvement. @igorlord, @martinduke, this is something you have shown interest in. Could you review? > -## Path Maximum Transmission Unit +The PMTU is the maximum size of the entire IP datagram including the IP header, +UDP header, and UDP payload. The UDP payload includes the QUIC packet header, +protected payload, and any authentication fields. This can be depend upon the +current path characteristics. Therefore, the current largest UDP payload an +implementation will send is referred to as QUIC Maximum Packet Size (MPS). Yes, please use words. We set the bar high for new definitions and acronyms, because they tend to make the document less readable. I'm not sure that we even need this concept to be introduced. > -## Path Maximum Transmission Unit +The PMTU is the maximum size of the entire IP datagram including the IP header, We've used "IP packet" throughout, consistent with the IP RFCs. ```suggestion The PMTU is the maximum size of the entire IP packet including the IP header, ``` > -The PADDING frame provides a useful option for PMTU probe packets. PADDING -frames generate acknowledgements, but they need not be delivered reliably. As a -result, the loss of PADDING frames in probe packets does not require -delay-inducing retransmission. However, PADDING frames do consume congestion -window, which may delay the transmission of subsequent application data. - -When implementing the algorithm in Section 7.2 of {{!PLPMTUD}}, the initial -value of search_low SHOULD be consistent with the IPv6 minimum packet size. -Paths that do not support this size cannot deliver Initial packets, and -therefore are not QUIC-compliant. - -Section 7.3 of {{!PLPMTUD}} discusses trade-offs between small and large -increases in the size of probe packets. As QUIC probe packets need not contain -application data, aggressive increases in probe size carry fewer consequences. - +larger than 1280 bytes (assuming the minimum IP header size). This results in ```suggestion larger than 1280 bytes. Assuming the minimum IP header size, this results in ``` > +Each pair of local and remote addresses could have a different PMTU. QUIC +implementations that implement any kind of PMTU discovery therefore SHOULD +maintain a MPS for each combination of local and remote IP addresses. + +If a QUIC endpoint determines that the PMTU between any pair of local and +remote IP addresses has fallen below the size needed to support the smallest +allowed MPS, it MUST immediately cease sending QUIC packets on the +affected path. This could result in termination of the connection if an +alternative path cannot be found. + +### Processing ICMP Messages to reduce the PMTU {#icmp-pmtud} + +PMTU discovery {{!RFC1191}} {{!RFC8201}} relies on reception of ICMP messages +(e.g., IPv6 Packet Too Big, PTB, messages) that indicate when a packet is +dropped because it is larger than the local router MTU. DPLPMTUD can also +optionally utilise these messages. This use of ICMP messages is ```suggestion optionally use these messages. This use of ICMP messages is ``` Don't overutilize "utilize". FWIW, I think that for this document, we have chosen to use American English, even though that is the inferior variant. > +unknown tunnel overheads or IP header options/extensions. + +Each pair of local and remote addresses could have a different PMTU. QUIC +implementations that implement any kind of PMTU discovery therefore SHOULD +maintain a MPS for each combination of local and remote IP addresses. + +If a QUIC endpoint determines that the PMTU between any pair of local and +remote IP addresses has fallen below the size needed to support the smallest +allowed MPS, it MUST immediately cease sending QUIC packets on the +affected path. This could result in termination of the connection if an +alternative path cannot be found. + +### Processing ICMP Messages to reduce the PMTU {#icmp-pmtud} + +PMTU discovery {{!RFC1191}} {{!RFC8201}} relies on reception of ICMP messages +(e.g., IPv6 Packet Too Big, PTB, messages) that indicate when a packet is ```suggestion (e.g., IPv6 Packet Too Big messages) that indicate when a packet is ``` > +potentially vulnerable to off-path attacks that successfully guess the IP +address 3-tuple and reduce the PMTU to a bandwidth-inefficient value +{{!RFC8201}}. + +QUIC endpoints SHOULD provide validation to protect from off-path injection of +ICMP messages as specified in {{!RFC8201}} and Section 5.2 of {{!RFC8085}}. This +uses the quoted packet supplied in the payload of an ICMP message, which, when +present, can be used to associate the message with a corresponding transport +connection {{!DPLPMTUD}}. + +The IPv4 Router requirements {{!RFC1812} state that the quoted packet should +contain as much of the original datagram as possible without the length of the +ICMP datagram exceeding 576 bytes. IPv6 routers include as much of invoking +packet as possible without the ICMPv6 packet exceeding 1280 bytes {{!RFC4443}}. +The size of the quoted packet can actually be smaller, or the information +unintelligible, for various reasons {{!DPLPMTUD}}. A section reference would be useful here. > +{{!RFC8201}}. + +QUIC endpoints SHOULD provide validation to protect from off-path injection of +ICMP messages as specified in {{!RFC8201}} and Section 5.2 of {{!RFC8085}}. This +uses the quoted packet supplied in the payload of an ICMP message, which, when +present, can be used to associate the message with a corresponding transport +connection {{!DPLPMTUD}}. + +The IPv4 Router requirements {{!RFC1812} state that the quoted packet should +contain as much of the original datagram as possible without the length of the +ICMP datagram exceeding 576 bytes. IPv6 routers include as much of invoking +packet as possible without the ICMPv6 packet exceeding 1280 bytes {{!RFC4443}}. +The size of the quoted packet can actually be smaller, or the information +unintelligible, for various reasons {{!DPLPMTUD}}. + +When a randomized source port is used, this can provide some protection from This could be read to imply that PMTUD probes could use a different source port. That can have the effect of hitting a different path. This probably needs to be qualified. > +* An endpoint could store additional information from the IP or UDP headers to + use for validation (for example, the IP ID or UDP checksum). + +The endpoint SHOULD ignore all ICMP messages that are not validated or do not +carry sufficient quoted packet payload to perform validation. Any reduction in +the QUIC MPS MAY be provisional until QUIC's loss detection algorithm +determines that the quoted packet has actually been lost. + +## Considerations for Datagram Packetization Layer PMTU Discovery + +Section 6.4 of {{!DPLPMTUD}} provides considerations for +implementing Datagram Packetization Layer PMTUD (DPLPMTUD) with QUIC. + +When implementing the algorithm in Section 5.3 of +{{!DPLPMTUD}}, the initial value of BASE_PMTU SHOULD be +consistent with the minimum QUIC packet size. Saying what that is (1280, I assume, without reading DPLPMTUD) would be helpful. > + +The endpoint SHOULD ignore all ICMP messages that are not validated or do not +carry sufficient quoted packet payload to perform validation. Any reduction in +the QUIC MPS MAY be provisional until QUIC's loss detection algorithm +determines that the quoted packet has actually been lost. + +## Considerations for Datagram Packetization Layer PMTU Discovery + +Section 6.4 of {{!DPLPMTUD}} provides considerations for +implementing Datagram Packetization Layer PMTUD (DPLPMTUD) with QUIC. + +When implementing the algorithm in Section 5.3 of +{{!DPLPMTUD}}, the initial value of BASE_PMTU SHOULD be +consistent with the minimum QUIC packet size. + +A PADDING frame can be used to generate PMTU probe packets. PADDING need not be PADDING frames are not retransmitted if the packet they are contained in is lost. > +larger than 1280 bytes (assuming the minimum IP header size). This results in +a QUIC MPS of 1232 bytes for IPv6 and 1252 bytes for IPv4. A QUIC +implementation MAY be more conservative in computing the QUIC MPS to allow for +unknown tunnel overheads or IP header options/extensions. + +Each pair of local and remote addresses could have a different PMTU. QUIC +implementations that implement any kind of PMTU discovery therefore SHOULD +maintain a MPS for each combination of local and remote IP addresses. + +If a QUIC endpoint determines that the PMTU between any pair of local and +remote IP addresses has fallen below the size needed to support the smallest +allowed MPS, it MUST immediately cease sending QUIC packets on the +affected path. This could result in termination of the connection if an +alternative path cannot be found. + +### Processing ICMP Messages to reduce the PMTU {#icmp-pmtud} ```suggestion ### Processing ICMP Packet Too Big Messages {#icmp-pmtud} ``` or just ```suggestion ### ICMP Packet Too Big Messages {#icmp-pmtud} ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2036#pullrequestreview-177465831 ----==_mimepart_5bf5f48417437_6f993fd3316d45b85054d5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

Editorial comments for the most part. This looks like an improvement.=

@igorlord, @martinduke, this is something you= have shown interest in. Could you review?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

-## Path Maximum Transmission Unit
+The PMTU is the maximum size of the entire IP datagram including the IP =
header,
+UDP header, and UDP payload.  The UDP payload includes the QUIC packet h=
eader,
+protected payload, and any authentication fields. This can be depend upo=
n the
+current path characteristics.  Therefore, the current largest UDP payloa=
d an
+implementation will send is referred to as QUIC Maximum Packet Size (MPS=
).

Yes, please use words. We set the bar high for new definitions and ac= ronyms, because they tend to make the document less readable. I'm not su= re that we even need this concept to be introduced.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

-## Path Maximum Transmission Unit
+The PMTU is the maximum size of the entire IP datagram including the IP =
header,

We've used "IP packet" throughout, consistent with the IP RFCs.

=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-The PMTU is the maximum size of the entire IP=
 datagram including the IP header,
+The PMTU is the maximum size of the entire IP packet including the IP he=
ader,

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -The PADDING frame provides a useful optio=
n for PMTU probe packets. PADDING
-frames generate acknowledgements, but they need not be delivered reliabl=
y. As a
-result, the loss of PADDING frames in probe packets does not require
-delay-inducing retransmission. However, PADDING frames do consume conges=
tion
-window, which may delay the transmission of subsequent application data.=

-
-When implementing the algorithm in Section 7.2 of {{!PLPMTUD}}, the init=
ial
-value of search_low SHOULD be consistent with the IPv6 minimum packet si=
ze.
-Paths that do not support this size cannot deliver Initial packets, and
-therefore are not QUIC-compliant.
-
-Section 7.3 of {{!PLPMTUD}} discusses trade-offs between small and large=

-increases in the size of probe packets. As QUIC probe packets need not c=
ontain
-application data, aggressive increases in probe size carry fewer consequ=
ences.
-
+larger than 1280 bytes (assuming the minimum IP header size).  This resu=
lts in
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-larger than 1280 bytes (assuming the minimum =
IP header size).  This results in
+larger than 1280 bytes. Assuming the minimum IP header size, this result=
s in

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +Each pair of local and remote addresses c=
ould have a different PMTU.  QUIC
+implementations that implement any kind of PMTU discovery therefore SHOU=
LD
+maintain a MPS for each combination of local and remote IP addresses.
+
+If a QUIC endpoint determines that the PMTU between any pair of local an=
d
+remote IP addresses has fallen below the size needed to support the smal=
lest
+allowed MPS, it MUST immediately cease sending QUIC packets on the
+affected path.  This could result in termination of the connection if an=

+alternative path cannot be found.
+
+### Processing ICMP Messages to reduce the PMTU {#icmp-pmtud}
+
+PMTU discovery {{!RFC1191}} {{!RFC8201}} relies on reception of ICMP mes=
sages
+(e.g., IPv6 Packet Too Big, PTB, messages) that indicate when a packet i=
s
+dropped because it is larger than the local router MTU. DPLPMTUD can als=
o
+optionally utilise these messages.  This use of ICMP messages is
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-optionally utilise these messages.  This use =
of ICMP messages is
+optionally use these messages.  This use of ICMP messages is

Don't overutilize "utilize".

FWIW, I think that for this document, we have chosen to use American E= nglish, even though that is the inferior variant.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +unknown tunnel overheads or IP header opt=
ions/extensions.
+
+Each pair of local and remote addresses could have a different PMTU.  QU=
IC
+implementations that implement any kind of PMTU discovery therefore SHOU=
LD
+maintain a MPS for each combination of local and remote IP addresses.
+
+If a QUIC endpoint determines that the PMTU between any pair of local an=
d
+remote IP addresses has fallen below the size needed to support the smal=
lest
+allowed MPS, it MUST immediately cease sending QUIC packets on the
+affected path.  This could result in termination of the connection if an=

+alternative path cannot be found.
+
+### Processing ICMP Messages to reduce the PMTU {#icmp-pmtud}
+
+PMTU discovery {{!RFC1191}} {{!RFC8201}} relies on reception of ICMP mes=
sages
+(e.g., IPv6 Packet Too Big, PTB, messages) that indicate when a packet i=
s
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-(e.g., IPv6 Packet Too Big, PTB, messages) th=
at indicate when a packet is
+(e.g., IPv6 Packet Too Big messages) that indicate when a packet is

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +potentially vulnerable to off-path attack=
s that successfully guess the IP
+address 3-tuple and reduce the PMTU to a bandwidth-inefficient value
+{{!RFC8201}}.
+
+QUIC endpoints SHOULD provide validation to protect from off-path inject=
ion of
+ICMP messages as specified in {{!RFC8201}} and Section 5.2 of {{!RFC8085=
}}. This
+uses the quoted packet supplied in the payload of an ICMP message, which=
, when
+present, can be used to associate the message with a corresponding trans=
port
+connection {{!DPLPMTUD}}.
+
+The IPv4 Router requirements {{!RFC1812} state that the quoted packet sh=
ould
+contain as much of the original datagram as possible without the length =
of the
+ICMP datagram exceeding 576 bytes. IPv6 routers include as much of invok=
ing
+packet as possible without the ICMPv6 packet exceeding 1280 bytes {{!RFC=
4443}}.
+The size of the quoted packet can actually be smaller, or the informatio=
n
+unintelligible, for various reasons {{!DPLPMTUD}}.

A section reference would be useful here.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +{{!RFC8201}}.
+
+QUIC endpoints SHOULD provide validation to protect from off-path inject=
ion of
+ICMP messages as specified in {{!RFC8201}} and Section 5.2 of {{!RFC8085=
}}. This
+uses the quoted packet supplied in the payload of an ICMP message, which=
, when
+present, can be used to associate the message with a corresponding trans=
port
+connection {{!DPLPMTUD}}.
+
+The IPv4 Router requirements {{!RFC1812} state that the quoted packet sh=
ould
+contain as much of the original datagram as possible without the length =
of the
+ICMP datagram exceeding 576 bytes. IPv6 routers include as much of invok=
ing
+packet as possible without the ICMPv6 packet exceeding 1280 bytes {{!RFC=
4443}}.
+The size of the quoted packet can actually be smaller, or the informatio=
n
+unintelligible, for various reasons {{!DPLPMTUD}}.
+
+When a randomized source port is used, this can provide some protection =
from

This could be read to imply that PMTUD probes could use a different so= urce port. That can have the effect of hitting a different path. This p= robably needs to be qualified.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +* An endpoint could store additional info=
rmation from the IP or UDP headers to
+  use for validation (for example, the IP ID or UDP checksum).
+
+The endpoint SHOULD ignore all ICMP messages that are not validated or d=
o not
+carry sufficient quoted packet payload to perform validation.  Any reduc=
tion in
+the QUIC MPS MAY be provisional until QUIC's loss detection algorith=
m
+determines that the quoted packet has actually been lost.
+
+## Considerations for Datagram Packetization Layer PMTU Discovery
+
+Section 6.4 of {{!DPLPMTUD}} provides considerations for
+implementing Datagram Packetization Layer PMTUD (DPLPMTUD) with QUIC.
+
+When implementing the algorithm in Section 5.3 of
+{{!DPLPMTUD}}, the initial value of BASE_PMTU SHOULD be
+consistent with the minimum QUIC packet size.

Saying what that is (1280, I assume, without reading DPLPMTUD) would b= e helpful.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+The endpoint SHOULD ignore all ICMP messages that are not validated or d=
o not
+carry sufficient quoted packet payload to perform validation.  Any reduc=
tion in
+the QUIC MPS MAY be provisional until QUIC's loss detection algorith=
m
+determines that the quoted packet has actually been lost.
+
+## Considerations for Datagram Packetization Layer PMTU Discovery
+
+Section 6.4 of {{!DPLPMTUD}} provides considerations for
+implementing Datagram Packetization Layer PMTUD (DPLPMTUD) with QUIC.
+
+When implementing the algorithm in Section 5.3 of
+{{!DPLPMTUD}}, the initial value of BASE_PMTU SHOULD be
+consistent with the minimum QUIC packet size.
+
+A PADDING frame can be used to generate PMTU probe packets. PADDING need=
 not be

PADDING frames are not retransmitted if the packet they are contained = in is lost.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +larger than 1280 bytes (assuming the mini=
mum IP header size).  This results in
+a QUIC MPS of 1232 bytes for IPv6 and 1252 bytes for IPv4. A QUIC
+implementation MAY be more conservative in computing the QUIC MPS to all=
ow for
+unknown tunnel overheads or IP header options/extensions.
+
+Each pair of local and remote addresses could have a different PMTU.  QU=
IC
+implementations that implement any kind of PMTU discovery therefore SHOU=
LD
+maintain a MPS for each combination of local and remote IP addresses.
+
+If a QUIC endpoint determines that the PMTU between any pair of local an=
d
+remote IP addresses has fallen below the size needed to support the smal=
lest
+allowed MPS, it MUST immediately cease sending QUIC packets on the
+affected path.  This could result in termination of the connection if an=

+alternative path cannot be found.
+
+### Processing ICMP Messages to reduce the PMTU {#icmp-pmtud}
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-### Processing ICMP Messages to reduce the PM=
TU {#icmp-pmtud}
+### Processing ICMP Packet Too Big Messages {#icmp-pmtud}

or just

=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-### Processing ICMP Messages to reduce the PM=
TU {#icmp-pmtud}
+### ICMP Packet Too Big Messages {#icmp-pmtud}

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The same number of bytes are always sampled, but an allowance needs to be made for the endpoint removing protection, which will not know the length of the Packet Number field. In sampling the packet ciphertext, the Packet Number field -is assumed to be 4 bytes long (its maximum possible encoded length), unless -there is insufficient space in the packet for a complete sample. The starting -offset for the sample is set to 4 bytes after the start of the Packet Number -field, then is reduced until there are enough bytes to sample. +is assumed to be 4 bytes long (its maximum possible encoded length). + +An endpoint MUST discard packets that are not long enough to contain a complete +sample. + +To ensure that sufficient data is available for sampling, packets are padded so +that the combined lengths of the encoded packet number and protected payload is +at least 4 bytes longer than the sample required for header protection. For the +AEAD functions defined in {{?TLS13}}, which have 16 byte expansion and 16 byte ```suggestion AEAD functions defined in {{?TLS13}}, which have 16-byte expansions and 16-byte ``` > -is assumed to be 4 bytes long (its maximum possible encoded length), unless -there is insufficient space in the packet for a complete sample. The starting -offset for the sample is set to 4 bytes after the start of the Packet Number -field, then is reduced until there are enough bytes to sample. +is assumed to be 4 bytes long (its maximum possible encoded length). + +An endpoint MUST discard packets that are not long enough to contain a complete +sample. + +To ensure that sufficient data is available for sampling, packets are padded so +that the combined lengths of the encoded packet number and protected payload is +at least 4 bytes longer than the sample required for header protection. For the +AEAD functions defined in {{?TLS13}}, which have 16 byte expansion and 16 byte +header protection samples, this results in needing at least 3 bytes of frames in +the unprotected payload if the packet number is encoded on a single byte, or 2 +bytes of frames for a 2 byte packet number encoding. Compound adjective. ```suggestion bytes of frames for a 2-byte packet number encoding. ``` > An endpoint SHOULD NOT send a stateless reset that is significantly larger than the packet it receives. Endpoints MUST discard packets that are too small to be valid QUIC packets. With the set of AEAD functions defined in {{QUIC-TLS}}, -packets less than 19 bytes long are never valid. +packets less than 21 bytes long are never valid. ```suggestion packets that are smaller than 21 bytes are never valid. ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -905,27 +905,31 @@ of the ciphertext fr=
om the packet Payload field.
 The same number of bytes are always sampled, but an allowance needs to b=
e made
 for the endpoint removing protection, which will not know the length of =
the
 Packet Number field.  In sampling the packet ciphertext, the Packet Numb=
er field
-is assumed to be 4 bytes long (its maximum possible encoded length), unl=
ess
-there is insufficient space in the packet for a complete sample.  The st=
arting
-offset for the sample is set to 4 bytes after the start of the Packet Nu=
mber
-field, then is reduced until there are enough bytes to sample.
+is assumed to be 4 bytes long (its maximum possible encoded length).
+
+An endpoint MUST discard packets that are not long enough to contain a c=
omplete
+sample.
+
+To ensure that sufficient data is available for sampling, packets are pa=
dded so
+that the combined lengths of the encoded packet number and protected pay=
load is
+at least 4 bytes longer than the sample required for header protection. =
 For the
+AEAD functions defined in {{?TLS13}}, which have 16 byte expansion and 1=
6 byte
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-AEAD functions defined in {{?TLS13}}, which h=
ave 16 byte expansion and 16 byte
+AEAD functions defined in {{?TLS13}}, which have 16-byte expansions and =
16-byte

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> -is assumed to be 4 bytes long (its maximu=
m possible encoded length), unless
-there is insufficient space in the packet for a complete sample.  The st=
arting
-offset for the sample is set to 4 bytes after the start of the Packet Nu=
mber
-field, then is reduced until there are enough bytes to sample.
+is assumed to be 4 bytes long (its maximum possible encoded length).
+
+An endpoint MUST discard packets that are not long enough to contain a c=
omplete
+sample.
+
+To ensure that sufficient data is available for sampling, packets are pa=
dded so
+that the combined lengths of the encoded packet number and protected pay=
load is
+at least 4 bytes longer than the sample required for header protection. =
 For the
+AEAD functions defined in {{?TLS13}}, which have 16 byte expansion and 1=
6 byte
+header protection samples, this results in needing at least 3 bytes of f=
rames in
+the unprotected payload if the packet number is encoded on a single byte=
, or 2
+bytes of frames for a 2 byte packet number encoding.

Compound adjective.

=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-bytes of frames for a 2 byte packet number en=
coding.
+bytes of frames for a 2-byte packet number encoding.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  =

 An endpoint SHOULD NOT send a stateless reset that is significantly larg=
er than
 the packet it receives.  Endpoints MUST discard packets that are too sma=
ll to be
 valid QUIC packets.  With the set of AEAD functions defined in {{QUIC-TL=
S}},
-packets less than 19 bytes long are never valid.
+packets less than 21 bytes long are never valid.
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-packets less than 21 bytes long are never val=
id.
+packets that are smaller than 21 bytes are never valid.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -780,9 +780,12 @@ connection ID in the client's first Initial packet (see {{initial-secrets}}).
 This provides protection against off-path attackers and robustness against QUIC
 version unaware middleboxes, but not against on-path attackers.
 
-All ciphersuites currently defined for TLS 1.3 - and therefore QUIC - have a
-16-byte authentication tag and produce an output 16 bytes larger than their
-input.
+QUIC can use any of the ciphersuites defined in {{!TLS13}} with the exception of

I'd leave it up to the editors but to me it seems that not using normative language is better because what we want here is "unspecified" rather than "forbidden."

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -753,6 +753,10 @@ thus ensuring that the keys are different for each version of QUIC. This
 prevents a middlebox that only recognizes one version of QUIC from seeing or
 modifying the contents of handshake packets from future versions.
 
+The HKDF function defined in TLS 1.3 MUST be used even in case the minimum TLS
+version that the endpoint is willing to use is greater, so as to assure that
+the peer can decrypt the packet.

Nice catch. We should update the text depending on the conclusion of #2034.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -780,9 +780,12 @@ connection ID in the client's first Initial packet (see {{initial-secrets}}).
 This provides protection against off-path attackers and robustness against QUIC
 version unaware middleboxes, but not against on-path attackers.
 
-All ciphersuites currently defined for TLS 1.3 - and therefore QUIC - have a
-16-byte authentication tag and produce an output 16 bytes larger than their
-input.
+QUIC can use any of the ciphersuites defined in {{!TLS13}} with the exception of

Why do we want unspecified? I thought we were actively disallowing this cipher.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2263,7 +2263,7 @@ following layout:
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  0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
-|0|1|                   Random Bytes (166..)                  ...
+|0|1|                   Random Bits (190..)                  ...
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

And I very carefully calculated this, having first reached this conclusion (182), then recalculated and got 190. Thanks.

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Commit: 03d7c78ae5a0e99410d7ba202afeadfc5a30bfdf https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/03d7c78ae5a0e99410d7ba202afeadfc5a30bfdf Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-21 (Wed, 21 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fix stateless reset to match Commit: 162d1373f167eea6f85f2ab94af54d89caca0957 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/162d1373f167eea6f85f2ab94af54d89caca0957 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-11-22 (Thu, 22 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Hyphens an other such things Co-Authored-By: martinthomson Commit: 0d714e1e4f059558c54995e435e55f1326c99654 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0d714e1e4f059558c54995e435e55f1326c99654 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-22 (Thu, 22 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- 182 bits Commit: d790fb9a47600477ed6df4a175fb81372a275928 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d790fb9a47600477ed6df4a175fb81372a275928 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-22 (Thu, 22 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2030 from quicwg/fixed-pne-offset Pad rather than shift the header protection offset Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/ea9f1bcc4a90...d790fb9a4760 **NOTE:** This service has been marked for deprecation: https://developer.github.com/changes/2018-04-25-github-services-deprecation/ Functionality will be removed from GitHub.com on January 31st, 2019. ----==_mimepart_5bf5f8b0554ce_4df2afeca8105809852b-- From nobody Wed Nov 21 16:31:12 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA11D130E50 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 16:30:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DR_-4OQlSmKS for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 16:30:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E1336130E41 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 16:30:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 16:30:43 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542846643; bh=DDfSNi3mTgj7pDRlsyenU5hMPqZTn3LPV9q9wzkD5V8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=i8PnMTEjpICdTVMWLbyZhL2b1C/BYTpaBAiVJfZQrOEjPlqI9C3PzRXdVTbxhe3+q vmQ3EzQdH2UGCQfOfXkmvUOuL34zWpRR9tzEOSmMAO8t7hGdKsYjpLz+qIC5VFjHRh bcjaYdTBayyrdx2kX9GwM0IDNYIQ/5mXU4tvaskc= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Consider simplifying Packet Number Encryption (#1575) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bf5f8b3a3b9_4aa53f9463ed45b856196a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2018 00:30:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bf5f8b3a3b9_4aa53f9463ed45b856196a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #1575 via #2030. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -780,9 +780,12 @@ connection ID in the client's first Initial packet (see {{initial-secrets}}).
 This provides protection against off-path attackers and robustness against QUIC
 version unaware middleboxes, but not against on-path attackers.
 
-All ciphersuites currently defined for TLS 1.3 - and therefore QUIC - have a
-16-byte authentication tag and produce an output 16 bytes larger than their
-input.
+QUIC can use any of the ciphersuites defined in {{!TLS13}} with the exception of

Yeah my understanding was that was the conclusion in #2019, but I might be incorrect.

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----==_mimepart_5bf5f98cbab1a_7b743fd4fd8d45c0121036-- From nobody Wed Nov 21 16:38:13 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98BF2130E41 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 16:38:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PhWh6ffzvFp2 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 16:38:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 05595130E3B for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 16:38:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 16:38:06 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542847086; bh=q7L3hegK0HR7q68r06BPzitthcjs9g13wJH6g252d54=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=hcjug5DDqu+kOJCAAJO6rZKj4V65vCP7VL6XJ7lZ9dDTD0cG0szrNq1QUCDrG3Ibb 0lX1OLJmR8U7JFEUclPjkHrG9k6JiZWCRxbDD1BrHMhUWL0U3kRPPoKXDPVKgxHffw slVYeCJIbWOewFwZBNS++d/Up2vDjrbA+74to+Xo= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Reset connection state on retry and VN (#2040) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bf5fa6e32577_1e563f891dad45b8673ee"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2018 00:38:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bf5fa6e32577_1e563f891dad45b8673ee Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. Yeah, this is hard. This needs another go around I think. > @@ -433,11 +433,11 @@ When crypto packets are outstanding, the TLP and RTO timers are not active. #### Retry and Version Negotiation A Retry or Version Negotiation packet causes a client to send another Initial -packet, effectively restarting the connection process. - -Either packet indicates that the Initial was received but not processed. -Neither packet can be treated as an acknowledgment for the Initial, but they MAY -be used to improve the RTT estimate. +packet, effectively restarting the connection process and resetting connection +state, including resetting any pending timers. Either packet indicates that the +Initial was received but not processed. Neither packet can be treated as an +acknowledgment for the Initial, but they MAY be used to improve the RTT +estimate. Here we're into dangerous waters again. Resetting most of the state is fine, but you can't forget the connection ID and token give to you in Token, or the list of versions from the Version Negotiation. Here, only RTT is mentioned. If this were scoped to recovery and congestion state, that might be better than having to reiterate what is carried over. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2040#pullrequestreview-177471473 ----==_mimepart_5bf5fa6e32577_1e563f891dad45b8673ee Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Yeah, this is hard. This needs another go around I think.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -433,11 +433,11 @@ When crypto packets are outstanding, the TLP and RTO timers are not active.
 #### Retry and Version Negotiation
 
 A Retry or Version Negotiation packet causes a client to send another Initial
-packet, effectively restarting the connection process.
-
-Either packet indicates that the Initial was received but not processed.
-Neither packet can be treated as an acknowledgment for the Initial, but they MAY
-be used to improve the RTT estimate.
+packet, effectively restarting the connection process and resetting connection
+state, including resetting any pending timers.  Either packet indicates that the
+Initial was received but not processed.  Neither packet can be treated as an
+acknowledgment for the Initial, but they MAY be used to improve the RTT
+estimate.

Here we're into dangerous waters again. Resetting most of the state is fine, but you can't forget the connection ID and token give to you in Token, or the list of versions from the Version Negotiation. Here, only RTT is mentioned. If this were scoped to recovery and congestion state, that might be better than having to reiterate what is carried over.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -780,9 +780,12 @@ connection ID in the client's first Initial packet (see {{initial-secrets}}).
 This provides protection against off-path attackers and robustness against QUIC
 version unaware middleboxes, but not against on-path attackers.
 
-All ciphersuites currently defined for TLS 1.3 - and therefore QUIC - have a
-16-byte authentication tag and produce an output 16 bytes larger than their
-input.
+QUIC can use any of the ciphersuites defined in {{!TLS13}} with the exception of

I'm happy to say that it is not specified and leave it at that. The effect is the same.

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Is it still relevant to disallow this cipher now that padding up to sa= mple length is required?

The argument for rejecting the cipher is: padding works against the id= ea of a short AEAD tag - better reject it now and come up with something = better for short packets in future versions. Additional argument is simpl= icity and consistency of 16.

The argument for allowing the cipher is that that there is no reason f= or it to not work and it is odd to have one cipher that is not permitted.=

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@mikkelfj I do not think we have an agreement on how we supp= ort AES128-CCM8.

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I think it would be wise to leave the discussion to the people who are= really interested in having AES128-CCM, rather than debating among us wh= o are not really interested in supporting the ciphersuite.

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The argument for rejecting it is that it isn't strong enough. The pad= ding thing is merely consequential.

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----==_mimepart_5bf605a0edf9b_44223fd5644d45bc2046e1-- From nobody Wed Nov 21 17:30:22 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A7F9130E61 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 17:30:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J_U7dIMbAc6K for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 17:30:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 69DBA130E5E for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 17:30:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 17:30:17 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542850217; bh=tfcK8UGglyj9zvowF67ZgYK8iYcOh5U7h8cFZZQntUg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=NTy6H1NaK938R/TVxI2afdCv9+h/VgGQ8pBEOzVkIYSYwzJmaXdxWInJ34hQDpZNt O044k97sZ5+JUPVagGOlkUjv4OVtUQ919iqdL2ZMYUafTPwzqOEPnhHN17ht/7tjua hUfwkw2bljYMKAZKAzS9wDeGkGAtnBWn+56DJdcg= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Don't allow use of AEAD_AES_128_CCM_8 (#2029) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bf606a97da8c_222c3fdedf8d45c01919db"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2018 01:30:21 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bf606a97da8c_222c3fdedf8d45c01919db Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit janaiyengar commented on this pull request. > @@ -780,9 +780,12 @@ connection ID in the client's first Initial packet (see {{initial-secrets}}). This provides protection against off-path attackers and robustness against QUIC version unaware middleboxes, but not against on-path attackers. -All ciphersuites currently defined for TLS 1.3 - and therefore QUIC - have a -16-byte authentication tag and produce an output 16 bytes larger than their -input. +QUIC can use any of the ciphersuites defined in {{!TLS13}} with the exception of @kazuho @martinthomson : I trust your judgement here, so I won't push. It's still not clear to me why disallowing is an issue. Don't mind me though. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2029#discussion_r235579854 ----==_mimepart_5bf606a97da8c_222c3fdedf8d45c01919db Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -780,9 +780,12 @@ connection ID in the client's first Initial packet (see {{initial-secrets}}).
 This provides protection against off-path attackers and robustness against QUIC
 version unaware middleboxes, but not against on-path attackers.
 
-All ciphersuites currently defined for TLS 1.3 - and therefore QUIC - have a
-16-byte authentication tag and produce an output 16 bytes larger than their
-input.
+QUIC can use any of the ciphersuites defined in {{!TLS13}} with the exception of

@kazuho @martinthomson : I trust your judgement here, so I won't push. It's still not clear to me why disallowing is an issue. Don't mind me though.

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I=E2=80=99m not a fan of using the TLS 1.3 HKDF for all versions. Only= that way can we ensure that TLS 1.4 can diverge from 1.3, without having= to define a new QUIC version.

Using it just for the Initial, as in Kazuho=E2=80=99s original PR, mak= es the most sense to me: I handle the obfuscation of the Initial, and aft= er that I let the TLS stack do its thing. At least for me is the easiest = to implement: I don't need to change anything in my TLS stack, I just nee= d to make sure that the right HKDF-Expand is used for the Initial AEAD (i= t=E2=80=99s not that complex anyway - if the stack doesn=E2=80=99t expose= it, it=E2=80=99s just a few lines of code to reimplement it, given that = the standard library exposes all needed crypto primitives).

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I=E2=80=99m not sure if a change to the recovery draft is sufficient t= o cover the whole scope of what=E2=80=99s happening when receiving one of= these two packets. We=E2=80=99re also resetting flow control offsets (th= e CRYPTO stream starts at offset 0 again), as well as stream state relat= ed when sending 0-RTT data.

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This looks great!!!

I like the PR because the approach provides the most flexibility; a client that wants to wait for SETTINGS can wait. A client that wants to not wait can start sending requests using the default settings parameters, then update as it receives the SETTINGS frame.

Should we state that the QPACK encoder stream MUST NOT be opened if the current value of SETTINGS_HEADER_TABLE_SIZE is zero, and that the decoder stream MUST NOT be opened until the peer opens the encoder stream?

I ask this because avoiding the cost of maintaining unused but open streams would be beneficial for using HTTP/3 on memory constrained devices. I do not think requiring that would be a burden because an endpoint nevertheless needs to wait for the arrival of the SETTINGS frame before starting to send dynamic table entries on the encoder stream. For the decoder stream, implementations can simply create them lazily.

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I agree with Jana. Implementations will likely buffer some packets during the handshake so the effect of ignoring cwnd reductions should be negligible.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +relatively few packets are sent or if packet loss coincides with the attempted
+attack.
+
+A non-probing packet received on the original path that increases the maximum
+received packet number will cause the endpoint to move back to that path.
+Eliciting packets on this path increases the likelihood that the attack is
+unsuccessful.  Therefore, mitigation of this attack relies on triggering the
+exchange of packets.
+
+In response to an apparent migration, endpoints MUST validate the previously
+active path using a PATH_CHALLENGE frame.  This induces the sending of new
+packets on that path.  If the path is no longer viable, the validation attempt
+will time out and fail; if the path is viable, but no longer desired, the
+validation will succeed, but only result in a probing packet being sent on the
+path.
+

Since this is all heuristics, we may want to be a bit more explicit. If the destination CID in the packet is new, then the migration is more likely to be voluntary. If the address family is IPv6, NAT rebinding is not expected quite as much, even with NAT66, since NAT66 is very unlikely to run out of address space. If the last rebinding happened fewer than X seconds ago, this is probably very suspicious. Etc.

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@huitema commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +path.
+
+An endpoint that receives a PATH_CHALLENGE on an active path SHOULD send a
+non-probing packet in response.  If the non-probing packet arrives before any
+copy made by an attacker, this results in the connection being migrated back to
+the original path.  Any subsequent migration to another path resets this entire
+process.
+
+Abandoning this validation attempt before it either succeeds or times out
+increases exposure to the packet copying attack.
+
+This defense is imperfect, but this is not considered a serious problem. If the
+path via the attack is reliably faster than the original path despite multiple
+attempts to use that original path, it is not possible to distinguish between
+attack and an improvement in routing.
+

Well, yeah, except if the improvement in routing only last for a short while, and after that the connection is dropped.

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@MikeBishop, if I understand it correctly, you are trying= to solve a problem of how to pick two random random bits for greasing, i= f the sender is not using those bits for anything. I would argue that it = is a relatively simple obstacle.

The real obstacle to a sender unilaterally using the two unused bits i= s not technical. The problem is WG's desire to prevent implemen= tation of anything observable by the path for the fear that the sender wi= ll misuse the bits and accidentally reveal something that the receiver wo= uld object to. I am a bit at awe at this position -- this is beyond the = fear of a third-party middlebox vendor; this is a mistrust in the actual = party to the connection. Yet, the majority of the WG seems to strongly s= upport just that position, so we may decide to declare it a consensus pos= ition. In any case, I am glad this got discussed and seems to be getting= settled.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +path.
+
+An endpoint that receives a PATH_CHALLENGE on an active path SHOULD send a
+non-probing packet in response.  If the non-probing packet arrives before any
+copy made by an attacker, this results in the connection being migrated back to
+the original path.  Any subsequent migration to another path resets this entire
+process.
+
+Abandoning this validation attempt before it either succeeds or times out
+increases exposure to the packet copying attack.
+
+This defense is imperfect, but this is not considered a serious problem. If the
+path via the attack is reliably faster than the original path despite multiple
+attempts to use that original path, it is not possible to distinguish between
+attack and an improvement in routing.
+

Yeah but doesn't the connection simply move back to the original path once the attacker stops racing the packets?

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Are you sure? With, say, SFTP download, what data should the client piggyback ACK onto?

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At a high level this seems ok. I've made some minor comments, feel free to accept/ignore at your leisure. My only concern with this is that HTTP/3 extensions that require SETTINGS will introduce some blocking when compared to the vanilla HTTP/3 - this might make extensions less attractive to deploy. However, I'd expect most vanilla HTTP/3 deployments to want QPACK, and require SETTINGS exchange... my concerns are probably misplaced > @@ -660,7 +658,7 @@ HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME. The following settings are defined in HTTP/3: SETTINGS_NUM_PLACEHOLDERS (0x3): - : This value SHOULD be non-zero. The default value is 16. + : This value SHOULD be non-zero. The default value is 0. So I never understood why the old value was 16. Zero seems ok but this line, on naive, inspection reads strangely "Should not be zero but is zero by default" > @@ -678,12 +676,18 @@ Additional settings MAY be defined by extensions to HTTP/3. #### Initialization -When a 0-RTT QUIC connection is being used, the client's initial requests will -be sent before the arrival of the server's SETTINGS frame. Clients MUST store -the settings the server provided in the session being resumed and MUST comply -with stored settings until the server's current settings are received. -Remembered settings apply to the new connection until the server's SETTINGS -frame is received. +An HTTP implementation MUST NOT send frames or requests which would be invalid +based on its current understanding of the peer's settings. All settings begin +at an initial value, and are updated upon receipt of a SETTINGS frame. For +servers, the initial values of the client's settings are the defaults of each +setting. Could you improve this with a more concise statement, such as "For servers, the initial value of each client setting is its default value"? > @@ -678,12 +676,18 @@ Additional settings MAY be defined by extensions to HTTP/3. #### Initialization -When a 0-RTT QUIC connection is being used, the client's initial requests will -be sent before the arrival of the server's SETTINGS frame. Clients MUST store -the settings the server provided in the session being resumed and MUST comply -with stored settings until the server's current settings are received. -Remembered settings apply to the new connection until the server's SETTINGS -frame is received. +An HTTP implementation MUST NOT send frames or requests which would be invalid +based on its current understanding of the peer's settings. All settings begin +at an initial value, and are updated upon receipt of a SETTINGS frame. For +servers, the initial values of the client's settings are the defaults of each +setting. + +For clients using a 1-RTT QUIC connection, the initial values of the server's +settings are the defaults of each setting. When a 0-RTT QUIC connection is being Change to be consistent with above (if above was accepted) "the initial value of each server setting is its default value" > @@ -1014,12 +1014,12 @@ represented as an 8-bit prefix string literal. QPACK defines two settings which are included in the HTTP/QUIC SETTINGS frame. SETTINGS_HEADER_TABLE_SIZE (0x1): - : An integer with a maximum value of 2^30 - 1. The default value is 4,096 + : An integer with a maximum value of 2^30 - 1. The default value is zero bytes. See {{table-dynamic}} for usage. So I've just noticed this setting defines the default to have units of bytes. Do settings have units? Suggest you lose the units. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@LPardue requested changes on this pull request.

At a high level this seems ok. I've made some minor comments, feel free to accept/ignore at your leisure.

My only concern with this is that HTTP/3 extensions that require SETTINGS will introduce some blocking when compared to the vanilla HTTP/3 - this might make extensions less attractive to deploy. However, I'd expect most vanilla HTTP/3 deployments to want QPACK, and require SETTINGS exchange... my concerns are probably misplaced

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -660,7 +658,7 @@ HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME.
 The following settings are defined in HTTP/3:
 
   SETTINGS_NUM_PLACEHOLDERS (0x3):
-  : This value SHOULD be non-zero.  The default value is 16.
+  : This value SHOULD be non-zero.  The default value is 0.

So I never understood why the old value was 16. Zero seems ok but this line, on naive, inspection reads strangely "Should not be zero but is zero by default"

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -678,12 +676,18 @@ Additional settings MAY be defined by extensions to HTTP/3.
 
 #### Initialization
 
-When a 0-RTT QUIC connection is being used, the client's initial requests will
-be sent before the arrival of the server's SETTINGS frame.  Clients MUST store
-the settings the server provided in the session being resumed and MUST comply
-with stored settings until the server's current settings are received.
-Remembered settings apply to the new connection until the server's SETTINGS
-frame is received.
+An HTTP implementation MUST NOT send frames or requests which would be invalid
+based on its current understanding of the peer's settings.  All settings begin
+at an initial value, and are updated upon receipt of a SETTINGS frame.  For
+servers, the initial values of the client's settings are the defaults of each
+setting.

Could you improve this with a more concise statement, such as "For servers, the initial value of each client setting is its default value"?

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -678,12 +676,18 @@ Additional settings MAY be defined by extensions to HTTP/3.
 
 #### Initialization
 
-When a 0-RTT QUIC connection is being used, the client's initial requests will
-be sent before the arrival of the server's SETTINGS frame.  Clients MUST store
-the settings the server provided in the session being resumed and MUST comply
-with stored settings until the server's current settings are received.
-Remembered settings apply to the new connection until the server's SETTINGS
-frame is received.
+An HTTP implementation MUST NOT send frames or requests which would be invalid
+based on its current understanding of the peer's settings.  All settings begin
+at an initial value, and are updated upon receipt of a SETTINGS frame.  For
+servers, the initial values of the client's settings are the defaults of each
+setting.
+
+For clients using a 1-RTT QUIC connection, the initial values of the server's
+settings are the defaults of each setting. When a 0-RTT QUIC connection is being

Change to be consistent with above (if above was accepted)

"the initial value of each server setting is its default value"

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -1014,12 +1014,12 @@ represented as an 8-bit prefix string literal.
 QPACK defines two settings which are included in the HTTP/QUIC SETTINGS frame.
 
   SETTINGS_HEADER_TABLE_SIZE (0x1):
-  : An integer with a maximum value of 2^30 - 1.  The default value is 4,096
+  : An integer with a maximum value of 2^30 - 1.  The default value is zero
     bytes.  See {{table-dynamic}} for usage.

So I've just noticed this setting defines the default to have units of bytes. Do settings have units? Suggest you lose the units.

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----==_mimepart_5bf6834791cf1_1ae63f94aaed45bc8944a-- From nobody Thu Nov 22 02:24:40 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6715F130ED6 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 02:24:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UBPhB7iCujjr for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 02:24:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9CBA1130ED4 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 02:24:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2018 02:24:36 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542882276; bh=ZWOstggqTnjiVG9VDGvcuMGx9Jd6F13XIVhd9O7wqT8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Kc6zucNd6SImJQZbDcB62M7lzf4bA50TbbZyggKA8AcuMlBWhxdIpSU+NtC/J9iL9 trYkg9SNdsKBgBupHlKai/J2BU4DwrnQt1+y449MZzyB1m+bbRlDJMpj7mF4M98NIe 3gKQEwxb35pDNzsAddS41eBQ0WpMCuMXqhE0RC5g= From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Rename QPACK to HPACK3? (#2041) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bf683e486282_41803fed1d0d45b823319d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2018 10:24:39 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bf683e486282_41803fed1d0d45b823319d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since we renamed HTTP/QUIC to HTTP/3, perhaps we should rename QPACK to avoid its linkage with QUIC. :smiling_imp: -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2041 ----==_mimepart_5bf683e486282_41803fed1d0d45b823319d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Since we renamed HTTP/QUIC to HTTP/3, perhaps we should rename QPACK t= o avoid its linkage with QUIC. =F0=9F=98=88

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I am not sure if H of HPACK stands for HTTP. I had always assumed that= it is the first letter of =E2=80=9Cheader.=E2=80=9D It is also my unders= tanding that QPACK tries not to be HTTP-specific.

Assuming that they are correct, I think keeping the name QPACK might b= e better, reflecting the fact that it is a compression algorithm designed= for QUIC.

Just my two cents.

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= ----==_mimepart_5bf68b7945dfa_3b9e3fd3450d45b41361b8-- From nobody Thu Nov 22 02:59:24 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 251C8128CB7 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 02:59:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GVsm-k00xOSJ for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 02:59:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 57891128B14 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 02:59:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2018 02:59:20 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542884360; bh=st94slMA/Dp232SmMp7vAWndkE7UNx7YbD2RYMQg5uI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ZHQ2TA7IklwpeDccF9/x9hQ08re+xBsdOrrVz4YNiT+W234t4RD2PTapCt63c4xo9 VezyhvyrMUQabiHWZ2uYpUNcrA9U4Jg9d+xNHsvk7L9guh71pILQMar+VU80uX+YaR np7IX1qeYPB60HUseQTu6Ho2en9ciHmZg9goZ554= From: Daniel Stenberg Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Rename QPACK to HPACK3? (#2041) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bf68c0869582_57c03f81f58d45bc20506f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: bagder X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2018 10:59:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bf68c0869582_57c03f81f58d45bc20506f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree with @kazuho here. It isn't really a version three of HPACK so I think implying that in name would be unfortunate. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2041#issuecomment-440993774 ----==_mimepart_5bf68c0869582_57c03f81f58d45bc20506f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I agree with @kazuho here. It isn't really a version three of HPACK so I think implying that in name would be unfortunate.

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BTW: what scares me a bit is that these came up during mechanical checks, but those checks only discover cases where a section target number disappears - that is, inter-document links might be breaking without anybody noticing.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-## Path Maximum Transmission Unit
+The PMTU is the maximum size of the entire IP datagram including the IP header,
+UDP header, and UDP payload.  The UDP payload includes the QUIC packet header,
+protected payload, and any authentication fields. This can be depend upon the
+current path characteristics.  Therefore, the current largest UDP payload an
+implementation will send is referred to as QUIC Maximum Packet Size (MPS).

We use term MPS in DPLPMTUD, we have found that keeping the various packet size
values straight is quite hard. It is easier to reason about the sizes when
you seperate away the path size (PMTU), the estimate of the path size and the
size the transport can send (MPS).

I would not object to using 'maximum packet size' rather than an acronym.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +* An endpoint could store additional information from the IP or UDP headers to
+  use for validation (for example, the IP ID or UDP checksum).
+
+The endpoint SHOULD ignore all ICMP messages that are not validated or do not
+carry sufficient quoted packet payload to perform validation.  Any reduction in
+the QUIC MPS MAY be provisional until QUIC's loss detection algorithm
+determines that the quoted packet has actually been lost.
+
+## Considerations for Datagram Packetization Layer PMTU Discovery
+
+Section 6.4 of {{!DPLPMTUD}} provides considerations for
+implementing Datagram Packetization Layer PMTUD (DPLPMTUD) with QUIC.
+
+When implementing the algorithm in Section 5.3 of
+{{!DPLPMTUD}}, the initial value of BASE_PMTU SHOULD be
+consistent with the minimum QUIC packet size.

Assuming the minimum IP header size, this results in
a QUIC MPS of 1232 bytes for IPv6 and 1252 bytes for IPv4. A QUIC
implementation MAY be more conservative in computing the QUIC MPS to allow for
unknown tunnel overheads or IP header options/extensions.

From above the QUIC minimum packet size would be 1252 or 1232. We avoided a number here to be consistent with the 'MAY be more conservative'

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I prefer to keep the QPACK name.

If we were to rename it, HPACK 2, not 3, is more appropriate (and forget the slash).

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Thanks for the feedback.

As the ticket raiser, I also vote for keeping QPACK.

Closing this as I've had sensible answers to a stupid question.

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Maybe off-topic, but is negotiating a different TLS version (say, TLS 1.4) even legal right now? E.g. -transport says "Version 0x00000001 of QUIC uses TLS 1.3", not "1.3 or later" or whatever.

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There is a fair bit of text here, but overall seems like a good balance of addressing the concern without adding significant complexity. Thanks for putting this together and writing it up! > @@ -1753,10 +1753,12 @@ have failed, even if the data matches that sent in the PATH_CHALLENGE. Additionally, the PATH_RESPONSE frame MUST be received on the same local address from which the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE was sent. If a PATH_RESPONSE frame is received on a different local address than the one from which the -PATH_CHALLENGE was sent, path validation is considered to have failed, even if -the data matches that sent in the PATH_CHALLENGE. Thus, the endpoint considers -the path to be valid when a PATH_RESPONSE frame is received on the same path -with the same payload as the PATH_CHALLENGE frame. +PATH_CHALLENGE was sent, path validation is not considered to be successful, +even if the data matches that sent in the PATH_CHALLENGE. This doesn't result +in path validation failure, as it might be a result of a forwarded packet (see +{{off-path-forward}}) or misrouting. Thus, the endpoint considers the path to +be valid when a PATH_RESPONSE frame is received on the same path with the same We now have three options for path validation: success, failure, and neither. Are there any other places that reference this where we need to update the wording around expected behaviors? > + +In response to an apparent migration, endpoints MUST validate the previously +active path using a PATH_CHALLENGE frame. This induces the sending of new +packets on that path. If the path is no longer viable, the validation attempt +will time out and fail; if the path is viable, but no longer desired, the +validation will succeed, but only result in a probing packet being sent on the +path. + +An endpoint that receives a PATH_CHALLENGE on an active path SHOULD send a +non-probing packet in response. If the non-probing packet arrives before any +copy made by an attacker, this results in the connection being migrated back to +the original path. Any subsequent migration to another path resets this entire +process. + +Abandoning this validation attempt before it either succeeds or times out +increases exposure to the packet copying attack. Is this a necessary (independent) paragraph? > @@ -1963,13 +2012,16 @@ multiple paths will still send ACK frames covering all received packets. While multiple paths might be used during connection migration, a single congestion control context and a single loss recovery context (as described in -{{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) may be adequate. A sender can make exceptions for probe -packets so that their loss detection is independent and does not unduly cause -the congestion controller to reduce its sending rate. An endpoint might set a -separate timer when a PATH_CHALLENGE is sent, which is cancelled when the -corresponding PATH_RESPONSE is received. If the timer fires before the -PATH_RESPONSE is received, the endpoint might send a new PATH_CHALLENGE, and -restart the timer for a longer period of time. +{{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) may be adequate. For instance, an endpoint might delay +switching to a new congestion control context until it is confirmed that an old +path is no longer needed (for the case in {{off-path-forward}}). Nit: wording ```suggestion path is no longer needed (such as the case in {{off-path-forward}}). ``` (or something of that sort) > +path. + +An endpoint that receives a PATH_CHALLENGE on an active path SHOULD send a +non-probing packet in response. If the non-probing packet arrives before any +copy made by an attacker, this results in the connection being migrated back to +the original path. Any subsequent migration to another path resets this entire +process. + +Abandoning this validation attempt before it either succeeds or times out +increases exposure to the packet copying attack. + +This defense is imperfect, but this is not considered a serious problem. If the +path via the attack is reliably faster than the original path despite multiple +attempts to use that original path, it is not possible to distinguish between +attack and an improvement in routing. + Right, since there will still be duplicate packets from the client and you can't make the client actually change the remote address that it sends to. So even if the attack succeeds, if the attacker stops delivering packets (or even starts delivering them more slowly), I think you would automatically just go back to the original path (as long as the client is still sending). My understanding here is that this overall change is mostly necessary to prompt traffic from a client that might otherwise have quiesced. > -packets so that their loss detection is independent and does not unduly cause -the congestion controller to reduce its sending rate. An endpoint might set a -separate timer when a PATH_CHALLENGE is sent, which is cancelled when the -corresponding PATH_RESPONSE is received. If the timer fires before the -PATH_RESPONSE is received, the endpoint might send a new PATH_CHALLENGE, and -restart the timer for a longer period of time. +{{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) may be adequate. For instance, an endpoint might delay +switching to a new congestion control context until it is confirmed that an old +path is no longer needed (for the case in {{off-path-forward}}). + +A sender can make exceptions for probe packets so that their loss detection is +independent and does not unduly cause the congestion controller to reduce its +sending rate. An endpoint might set a separate timer when a PATH_CHALLENGE is +sent, which is cancelled when the corresponding PATH_RESPONSE is received. If +the timer fires before the PATH_RESPONSE is received, the endpoint might send a +new PATH_CHALLENGE, and restart the timer for a longer period of time. I thought we'd already addressed this elsewhere, but I can't find it anymore, so this looks good. My memory was that we said to retransmit PATH_CHALLENGE based on a timer until you got a response or decide that validation failed, although now we have three states for validation result. If we have that elsewhere (and I just missed it) then we should reconcile with this. > @@ -1963,13 +2012,16 @@ multiple paths will still send ACK frames covering all received packets. While multiple paths might be used during connection migration, a single congestion control context and a single loss recovery context (as described in -{{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) may be adequate. A sender can make exceptions for probe -packets so that their loss detection is independent and does not unduly cause -the congestion controller to reduce its sending rate. An endpoint might set a -separate timer when a PATH_CHALLENGE is sent, which is cancelled when the -corresponding PATH_RESPONSE is received. If the timer fires before the -PATH_RESPONSE is received, the endpoint might send a new PATH_CHALLENGE, and -restart the timer for a longer period of time. +{{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) may be adequate. For instance, an endpoint might delay +switching to a new congestion control context until it is confirmed that an old +path is no longer needed (for the case in {{off-path-forward}}). + +A sender can make exceptions for probe packets so that their loss detection is +independent and does not unduly cause the congestion controller to reduce its +sending rate. An endpoint might set a separate timer when a PATH_CHALLENGE is ...which makes sense, given that you don't retransmit PATH_CHALLENGE or PATH_RESPONSE, maybe we should note that here or nearby as well? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2033#pullrequestreview-177753396 ----==_mimepart_5bf7043a71e21_480d3fa7ec2d45b43134f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@erickinnear approved this pull request.

There is a fair bit of text here, but overall seems like a good balanc= e of addressing the concern without adding significant complexity. Thanks= for putting this together and writing it up!

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1753,10 +1753,12 @@ have failed, even =
if the data matches that sent in the PATH_CHALLENGE.
 Additionally, the PATH_RESPONSE frame MUST be received on the same local=
 address
 from which the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE was sent.  If a PATH_RESPONS=
E frame
 is received on a different local address than the one from which the
-PATH_CHALLENGE was sent, path validation is considered to have failed, e=
ven if
-the data matches that sent in the PATH_CHALLENGE.  Thus, the endpoint co=
nsiders
-the path to be valid when a PATH_RESPONSE frame is received on the same =
path
-with the same payload as the PATH_CHALLENGE frame.
+PATH_CHALLENGE was sent, path validation is not considered to be success=
ful,
+even if the data matches that sent in the PATH_CHALLENGE.  This doesn=
9;t result
+in path validation failure, as it might be a result of a forwarded packe=
t (see
+{{off-path-forward}}) or misrouting.  Thus, the endpoint considers the p=
ath to
+be valid when a PATH_RESPONSE frame is received on the same path with th=
e same

We now have three options for path validation: success, failure, and n= either. Are there any other places that reference this where we need to u= pdate the wording around expected behaviors?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+In response to an apparent migration, endpoints MUST validate the previo=
usly
+active path using a PATH_CHALLENGE frame.  This induces the sending of n=
ew
+packets on that path.  If the path is no longer viable, the validation a=
ttempt
+will time out and fail; if the path is viable, but no longer desired, th=
e
+validation will succeed, but only result in a probing packet being sent =
on the
+path.
+
+An endpoint that receives a PATH_CHALLENGE on an active path SHOULD send=
 a
+non-probing packet in response.  If the non-probing packet arrives befor=
e any
+copy made by an attacker, this results in the connection being migrated =
back to
+the original path.  Any subsequent migration to another path resets this=
 entire
+process.
+
+Abandoning this validation attempt before it either succeeds or times ou=
t
+increases exposure to the packet copying attack.

Is this a necessary (independent) paragraph?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1963,13 +2012,16 @@ multiple paths wil=
l still send ACK frames covering all received packets.
 =

 While multiple paths might be used during connection migration, a single=

 congestion control context and a single loss recovery context (as descri=
bed in
-{{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) may be adequate.  A sender can make exceptions for pr=
obe
-packets so that their loss detection is independent and does not unduly =
cause
-the congestion controller to reduce its sending rate.  An endpoint might=
 set a
-separate timer when a PATH_CHALLENGE is sent, which is cancelled when th=
e
-corresponding PATH_RESPONSE is received.  If the timer fires before the
-PATH_RESPONSE is received, the endpoint might send a new PATH_CHALLENGE,=
 and
-restart the timer for a longer period of time.
+{{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) may be adequate.  For instance, an endpoint might del=
ay
+switching to a new congestion control context until it is confirmed that=
 an old
+path is no longer needed (for the case in {{off-path-forward}}).

Nit: wording

=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-path is no longer needed (for the case in {{o=
ff-path-forward}}).
+path is no longer needed (such as the case in {{off-path-forward}}).

(or something of that sort)

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +path.
+
+An endpoint that receives a PATH_CHALLENGE on an active path SHOULD send=
 a
+non-probing packet in response.  If the non-probing packet arrives befor=
e any
+copy made by an attacker, this results in the connection being migrated =
back to
+the original path.  Any subsequent migration to another path resets this=
 entire
+process.
+
+Abandoning this validation attempt before it either succeeds or times ou=
t
+increases exposure to the packet copying attack.
+
+This defense is imperfect, but this is not considered a serious problem.=
 If the
+path via the attack is reliably faster than the original path despite mu=
ltiple
+attempts to use that original path, it is not possible to distinguish be=
tween
+attack and an improvement in routing.
+

Right, since there will still be duplicate packets from the client and= you can't make the client actually change the remote address that it sen= ds to. So even if the attack succeeds, if the attacker stops delivering p= ackets (or even starts delivering them more slowly), I think you would au= tomatically just go back to the original path (as long as the client is s= till sending).

My understanding here is that this overall change is mostly necessary = to prompt traffic from a client that might otherwise have quiesced.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -packets so that their loss detection is i=
ndependent and does not unduly cause
-the congestion controller to reduce its sending rate.  An endpoint might=
 set a
-separate timer when a PATH_CHALLENGE is sent, which is cancelled when th=
e
-corresponding PATH_RESPONSE is received.  If the timer fires before the
-PATH_RESPONSE is received, the endpoint might send a new PATH_CHALLENGE,=
 and
-restart the timer for a longer period of time.
+{{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) may be adequate.  For instance, an endpoint might del=
ay
+switching to a new congestion control context until it is confirmed that=
 an old
+path is no longer needed (for the case in {{off-path-forward}}).
+
+A sender can make exceptions for probe packets so that their loss detect=
ion is
+independent and does not unduly cause the congestion controller to reduc=
e its
+sending rate.  An endpoint might set a separate timer when a PATH_CHALLE=
NGE is
+sent, which is cancelled when the corresponding PATH_RESPONSE is receive=
d.  If
+the timer fires before the PATH_RESPONSE is received, the endpoint might=
 send a
+new PATH_CHALLENGE, and restart the timer for a longer period of time.

I thought we'd already addressed this elsewhere, but I can't find it a= nymore, so this looks good.
My memory was that we said to retransmit PATH_CHALLENGE based on a timer = until you got a response or decide that validation failed, although now w= e have three states for validation result. If we have that elsewhere (and= I just missed it) then we should reconcile with this.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1963,13 +2012,16 @@ multiple paths wil=
l still send ACK frames covering all received packets.
 =

 While multiple paths might be used during connection migration, a single=

 congestion control context and a single loss recovery context (as descri=
bed in
-{{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) may be adequate.  A sender can make exceptions for pr=
obe
-packets so that their loss detection is independent and does not unduly =
cause
-the congestion controller to reduce its sending rate.  An endpoint might=
 set a
-separate timer when a PATH_CHALLENGE is sent, which is cancelled when th=
e
-corresponding PATH_RESPONSE is received.  If the timer fires before the
-PATH_RESPONSE is received, the endpoint might send a new PATH_CHALLENGE,=
 and
-restart the timer for a longer period of time.
+{{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) may be adequate.  For instance, an endpoint might del=
ay
+switching to a new congestion control context until it is confirmed that=
 an old
+path is no longer needed (for the case in {{off-path-forward}}).
+
+A sender can make exceptions for probe packets so that their loss detect=
ion is
+independent and does not unduly cause the congestion controller to reduc=
e its
+sending rate.  An endpoint might set a separate timer when a PATH_CHALLE=
NGE is

...which makes sense, given that you don't retransmit PATH_CHALLENGE o= r PATH_RESPONSE, maybe we should note that here or nearby as well?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +* An endpoint could store additional information from the IP or UDP headers to
+  use for validation (for example, the IP ID or UDP checksum).
+
+The endpoint SHOULD ignore all ICMP messages that are not validated or do not
+carry sufficient quoted packet payload to perform validation.  Any reduction in
+the QUIC MPS MAY be provisional until QUIC's loss detection algorithm
+determines that the quoted packet has actually been lost.
+
+## Considerations for Datagram Packetization Layer PMTU Discovery
+
+Section 6.4 of {{!DPLPMTUD}} provides considerations for
+implementing Datagram Packetization Layer PMTUD (DPLPMTUD) with QUIC.
+
+When implementing the algorithm in Section 5.3 of
+{{!DPLPMTUD}}, the initial value of BASE_PMTU SHOULD be
+consistent with the minimum QUIC packet size.

The reason I point this out is that the minimum isn't a minimum, it's just the minimum for an Initial packet. The minimum packet size is something like 21 bytes absent context. I think that the minimum in this context is probably 1200, which is the lower limit on what servers accept, but then clients don't enforce any such limit. And of course, probing at 1200 on IPv6 is pointless.

In other words, you do need to be a little more precise.

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The intent was always to permit negotiation of newer TLS versions. Th= at's an easy fix.

However, this discussion goes to the core of what the interface betwee= n QUIC and TLS is. The stream0 contract, as I understood it, was that TL= S would pass secrets to QUIC. This is why we changed so that the invasiv= e change to the TLS KDF was not allowed. QUIC is responsible for taking = those secrets and turning them into keys and IVs.

It seems like people are arguing here that the TLS KDF is also part of= the contract. As an implementation convenience, that's fine, but I don'= t think that's a good idea. It means that we have inconsistent use of KD= Fs within QUIC (TLS 1.3 for initial keys, TLS X for other keys), and it m= eans that the API contract is tighter.

If your QUIC stack wants to use the TLS KDF, that's fine, but this bin= ds the call to the negotiated TLS version. You can't just call tls= 13_kdf(secret, label, L), you have to build tls_kdf(tls_sock= et, secret, label, L), AND you still need the other API for initia= l secrets.

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I hope that TLS 1.4 will be compatible with QUIC, but we'll leave that determination for later. **NOTE:** This service has been marked for deprecation: https://developer.github.com/changes/2018-04-25-github-services-deprecation/ Functionality will be removed from GitHub.com on January 31st, 2019. ----==_mimepart_5bf7307fd6691_2dfb22af90ed9058098497-- From nobody Thu Nov 22 14:41:50 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4533813104A for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 14:41:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.459 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.459 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8GR9MSWTwcXy for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 14:41:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4993012777C for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 14:41:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2018 14:41:47 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542926507; bh=hUhAOAbEqzkdHVnzDLNSmlZ1ShSM+xyT/uegTuMNwHM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Iq8Mxnu21yBFK6YskszHR/VDS0/IZXBsaVX4j0rULqTydR2iXWhM5m0RWD9tMxUs4 gPaAQHnCfD5DSyWdVXOp/MB5PxNp7RZVem1jeyELv8oEJRKAjhfOjyttzkMB0zqIjj ceainfqYlyaK0bzEXrOFzuhw2Wp0HEpF06APMZQE= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] It's just TLS (#2044) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bf730ab82f4f_60993f85da4d45b4897e0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2018 22:41:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bf730ab82f4f_60993f85da4d45b4897e0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For the most part, we don't need to identify TLS 1.3 specifically. TLS on its own is often sufficient. This avoids creating the impression that we don't support TLS 1.4. I hope that TLS 1.4 will be compatible with QUIC, but we'll leave that determination for later. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2044 -- Commit Summary -- * It's just TLS -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (39) M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (10) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2044.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2044.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2044 ----==_mimepart_5bf730ab82f4f_60993f85da4d45b4897e0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

For the most part, we don't need to identify TLS 1.3 specifically. TLS
on its own is often sufficient. This avoids creating the impression
that we don't support TLS 1.4. I hope that TLS 1.4 will be compatible
with QUIC, but we'll leave that determination for later.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2044

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  • It's just TLS

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Additionally, the PATH_RESPONSE frame MUST be received on the same local address from which the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE was sent. If a PATH_RESPONSE frame is received on a different local address than the one from which the -PATH_CHALLENGE was sent, path validation is considered to have failed, even if -the data matches that sent in the PATH_CHALLENGE. Thus, the endpoint considers -the path to be valid when a PATH_RESPONSE frame is received on the same path -with the same payload as the PATH_CHALLENGE frame. +PATH_CHALLENGE was sent, path validation is not considered to be successful, +even if the data matches that sent in the PATH_CHALLENGE. This doesn't result +in path validation failure, as it might be a result of a forwarded packet (see +{{off-path-forward}}) or misrouting. Thus, the endpoint considers the path to +be valid when a PATH_RESPONSE frame is received on the same path with the same We always had that (this is just changing this text to be consistent with the text in other places). > @@ -1766,7 +1768,8 @@ abandons its attempt to validate the path. Endpoints SHOULD abandon path validation based on a timer. When setting this timer, implementations are cautioned that the new path could have a longer -round-trip time than the original. +round-trip time than the original. A value of three times the current +Retransmittion Timeout (RTO) as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}} is RECOMMENDED. I considered that, but we still have a minimum on the RTO, which should cover this case well enough. > @@ -1938,6 +1941,52 @@ Note that receipt of packets with higher packet numbers from the legitimate peer address will trigger another connection migration. This will cause the validation of the address of the spurious migration to be abandoned. + +### Off-Path Packet Forwarding {#off-path-forward} + +An off-path attacker that can observe packets might forward copies of genuine +packets to endpoints. If the copied packet arrives before the genuine packet, +this will appear as a NAT rebinding. Any genuine packet will be discarded as a I don't think that we need a precise description of the attack. This is already far too many words. > +relatively few packets are sent or if packet loss coincides with the attempted +attack. + +A non-probing packet received on the original path that increases the maximum +received packet number will cause the endpoint to move back to that path. +Eliciting packets on this path increases the likelihood that the attack is +unsuccessful. Therefore, mitigation of this attack relies on triggering the +exchange of packets. + +In response to an apparent migration, endpoints MUST validate the previously +active path using a PATH_CHALLENGE frame. This induces the sending of new +packets on that path. If the path is no longer viable, the validation attempt +will time out and fail; if the path is viable, but no longer desired, the +validation will succeed, but only result in a probing packet being sent on the +path. + The point here is that this isn't heuristics-based decision-making. It's currently arranged to be mechanical. The only discretionary part is the rate at which probes are generated. I think that the right thing to do is acknowledge that heuristics might be used to make this defense more robust and to mention some of the things you point to. > +path. + +An endpoint that receives a PATH_CHALLENGE on an active path SHOULD send a +non-probing packet in response. If the non-probing packet arrives before any +copy made by an attacker, this results in the connection being migrated back to +the original path. Any subsequent migration to another path resets this entire +process. + +Abandoning this validation attempt before it either succeeds or times out +increases exposure to the packet copying attack. + +This defense is imperfect, but this is not considered a serious problem. If the +path via the attack is reliably faster than the original path despite multiple +attempts to use that original path, it is not possible to distinguish between +attack and an improvement in routing. + The risk is that the attacker can convince a peer that the connection is dead, meaning that no more packets are sent. The interaction between validation timers and dead path detection probably need some work. > -packets so that their loss detection is independent and does not unduly cause -the congestion controller to reduce its sending rate. An endpoint might set a -separate timer when a PATH_CHALLENGE is sent, which is cancelled when the -corresponding PATH_RESPONSE is received. If the timer fires before the -PATH_RESPONSE is received, the endpoint might send a new PATH_CHALLENGE, and -restart the timer for a longer period of time. +{{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) may be adequate. For instance, an endpoint might delay +switching to a new congestion control context until it is confirmed that an old +path is no longer needed (for the case in {{off-path-forward}}). + +A sender can make exceptions for probe packets so that their loss detection is +independent and does not unduly cause the congestion controller to reduce its +sending rate. An endpoint might set a separate timer when a PATH_CHALLENGE is +sent, which is cancelled when the corresponding PATH_RESPONSE is received. If +the timer fires before the PATH_RESPONSE is received, the endpoint might send a +new PATH_CHALLENGE, and restart the timer for a longer period of time. This is just the old text, with the paragraph split to allow for the new text. If you have a suggestion here, that would be great, but I can't figure out how to add that without doing a lot of damage to the existing text. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2033#discussion_r235828354 ----==_mimepart_5bf73e24670c9_73a93fa118ed45c42382f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1753,10 +1753,12 @@ have failed, even if the data matches that sent in the PATH_CHALLENGE.
 Additionally, the PATH_RESPONSE frame MUST be received on the same local address
 from which the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE was sent.  If a PATH_RESPONSE frame
 is received on a different local address than the one from which the
-PATH_CHALLENGE was sent, path validation is considered to have failed, even if
-the data matches that sent in the PATH_CHALLENGE.  Thus, the endpoint considers
-the path to be valid when a PATH_RESPONSE frame is received on the same path
-with the same payload as the PATH_CHALLENGE frame.
+PATH_CHALLENGE was sent, path validation is not considered to be successful,
+even if the data matches that sent in the PATH_CHALLENGE.  This doesn't result
+in path validation failure, as it might be a result of a forwarded packet (see
+{{off-path-forward}}) or misrouting.  Thus, the endpoint considers the path to
+be valid when a PATH_RESPONSE frame is received on the same path with the same

We always had that (this is just changing this text to be consistent with the text in other places).

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1766,7 +1768,8 @@ abandons its attempt to validate the path.
 
 Endpoints SHOULD abandon path validation based on a timer. When setting this
 timer, implementations are cautioned that the new path could have a longer
-round-trip time than the original.
+round-trip time than the original.  A value of three times the current
+Retransmittion Timeout (RTO) as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}} is RECOMMENDED.

I considered that, but we still have a minimum on the RTO, which should cover this case well enough.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1938,6 +1941,52 @@ Note that receipt of packets with higher packet numbers from the legitimate peer
 address will trigger another connection migration.  This will cause the
 validation of the address of the spurious migration to be abandoned.
 
+
+### Off-Path Packet Forwarding {#off-path-forward}
+
+An off-path attacker that can observe packets might forward copies of genuine
+packets to endpoints.  If the copied packet arrives before the genuine packet,
+this will appear as a NAT rebinding.  Any genuine packet will be discarded as a

I don't think that we need a precise description of the attack. This is already far too many words.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +relatively few packets are sent or if packet loss coincides with the attempted
+attack.
+
+A non-probing packet received on the original path that increases the maximum
+received packet number will cause the endpoint to move back to that path.
+Eliciting packets on this path increases the likelihood that the attack is
+unsuccessful.  Therefore, mitigation of this attack relies on triggering the
+exchange of packets.
+
+In response to an apparent migration, endpoints MUST validate the previously
+active path using a PATH_CHALLENGE frame.  This induces the sending of new
+packets on that path.  If the path is no longer viable, the validation attempt
+will time out and fail; if the path is viable, but no longer desired, the
+validation will succeed, but only result in a probing packet being sent on the
+path.
+

The point here is that this isn't heuristics-based decision-making. It's currently arranged to be mechanical. The only discretionary part is the rate at which probes are generated. I think that the right thing to do is acknowledge that heuristics might be used to make this defense more robust and to mention some of the things you point to.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +path.
+
+An endpoint that receives a PATH_CHALLENGE on an active path SHOULD send a
+non-probing packet in response.  If the non-probing packet arrives before any
+copy made by an attacker, this results in the connection being migrated back to
+the original path.  Any subsequent migration to another path resets this entire
+process.
+
+Abandoning this validation attempt before it either succeeds or times out
+increases exposure to the packet copying attack.
+
+This defense is imperfect, but this is not considered a serious problem. If the
+path via the attack is reliably faster than the original path despite multiple
+attempts to use that original path, it is not possible to distinguish between
+attack and an improvement in routing.
+

The risk is that the attacker can convince a peer that the connection is dead, meaning that no more packets are sent. The interaction between validation timers and dead path detection probably need some work.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -packets so that their loss detection is independent and does not unduly cause
-the congestion controller to reduce its sending rate.  An endpoint might set a
-separate timer when a PATH_CHALLENGE is sent, which is cancelled when the
-corresponding PATH_RESPONSE is received.  If the timer fires before the
-PATH_RESPONSE is received, the endpoint might send a new PATH_CHALLENGE, and
-restart the timer for a longer period of time.
+{{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) may be adequate.  For instance, an endpoint might delay
+switching to a new congestion control context until it is confirmed that an old
+path is no longer needed (for the case in {{off-path-forward}}).
+
+A sender can make exceptions for probe packets so that their loss detection is
+independent and does not unduly cause the congestion controller to reduce its
+sending rate.  An endpoint might set a separate timer when a PATH_CHALLENGE is
+sent, which is cancelled when the corresponding PATH_RESPONSE is received.  If
+the timer fires before the PATH_RESPONSE is received, the endpoint might send a
+new PATH_CHALLENGE, and restart the timer for a longer period of time.

This is just the old text, with the paragraph split to allow for the new text. If you have a suggestion here, that would be great, but I can't figure out how to add that without doing a lot of damage to the existing text.

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That is not very precise:

You have document that describes how to use with 1.3, implying one cou= ld use any other version. Presumably this happens by detecting the TLS ve= rsion in the handshake so the same QUIC version could support multiple TL= S versions. It could also mean different QUIC versions support different = TLS versions. Further, it could mean that TLS 1.0 is supported, but not s= pecified. This opens to downgrade attacks such as loss of perfect forward= secrecy. It also makes it hard to decipher the spec.

I think it is fine to more relaxed about TLS as a building block, espe= cially with an eye towards the feature, and perhaps also the past since T= LS 1.2 might be more IoT friendly. However, a specific QUIC version needs= to define a specific TLS version or set of TLS versions that are all man= datory.

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To be fair the text does so TLS means 1.3 or newer, but I still think = it is hard to ensure compatibility with random future TLS versions, 20 ye= ars out. There might not even by a HKDF function and header protection mi= ght not make sense in terms of available TLS algorithms.

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@mikkelfj, please read https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-tls.html#tls-version We're not committing to support of arbitrary versions. TLS <=1.2 is explicitly forbidden; TLS >1.3 only works if it meets the API requirements in the TLS doc.

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I think it is fine to have different HKDF in initial secrets. You also= have AES-128-GCM in initial which might be implemented in a completely s= low and sloppy manner in order to progress to a different cipher suitable= for some IoT device. It makes sense to me to follow the HKDF of the nego= tiated cipher for the rest of the connection. This also paves the road fo= r future more efficient HKDF algorithms if/when they become available - a= lthough likely in another QUIC version.

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Closes #1951.

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----==_mimepart_5bf7522ab8352_ef53fcc1e2d45b854938-- From nobody Thu Nov 22 17:06:54 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 190A6128D0C for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 17:06:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8EHFeue35sqt for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 17:06:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A0D4128CF3 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 17:06:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2018 17:06:50 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542935210; bh=E03gp2OPB8iSaNrwmE+JnlOK6dq3qDrw7UMxQpprIWM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=duim9a4rwcjdUmw2geCE9o53eosieO+F1VIDNM9yeOrH/J9h8glfFCX5+lsqFx0jN UpbqyS+6oG527g0leMBkx43vODmKiOpm+nm3TWc49DHg7PRqy70iEwUo7t5FpR03+V NxwQDRevpvVyhZK3Aiuwx+Iz8llzpXLCyat+N9ms= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Use the same KDF regardless of TLS version (#2034) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bf752aa9875f_7cb83fbdcced45bc193671"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2018 01:06:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bf752aa9875f_7cb83fbdcced45bc193671 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > And just as QUIC provided its own AEAD, why not also a KDF? I think this a valid point of view - but I also think it is more precise to say that QUIC handles its own implementation and representation of the AEAD specified by TLS. It makes sense that the KDF is paired with the negotiated cipher. If for no other reason than that it provides agility of both cipher and KDF, but also because ultimately they could be related in a security proof - not in this version, but eventually. Perhaps QUIC could benefit from a more formal crypto interface that TLS plugs into but which other frameworks could also use. This could also guide the work of future TLS versions and also future versions of QUIC. But this is easier to do when QUIC v1 is finalized or close to finalized. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2034#issuecomment-441139688 ----==_mimepart_5bf752aa9875f_7cb83fbdcced45bc193671 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

And just as QUIC provided its own AEAD, why not also a KDF?

I think this a valid point of view - but I also think it is more preci= se to say that QUIC handles its own implementation and representation of = the AEAD specified by TLS. It makes sense that the KDF is paired with the= negotiated cipher. If for no other reason than that it provides agility = of both cipher and KDF, but also because ultimately they could be related= in a security proof - not in this version, but eventually.

Perhaps QUIC could benefit from a more formal crypto interface that TL= S plugs into but which other frameworks could also use. This could also g= uide the work of future TLS versions and also future versions of QUIC. Bu= t this is easier to do when QUIC v1 is finalized or close to finalized.

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@martinthomson approved this pull request.

The suggestion is purely discretionary, I'm not sure we need it at all= . The proposed text, we definitely need.

In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> @@ -235,11 +235,19 @@ Implementations SHOU=
LD allow administrators of clients and servers to disable
 the spin bit either globally or on a per-connection basis.
 Even when the spin bit is not disabled by the administrator implementati=
ons
 SHOULD disable the spin bit on a randomly chosen
-fraction of connections.  The selection process should be designed such =
that
-on average the spin bit is disabled for at least 1/8th of the connection=
s.
-
-When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value t=
o zero,
-regardless of the values received from their peer. Addendums or revision=
s to
+fraction of connections.
+
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network p=
aths.
+The random choice SHOULD be dependent
+on the source and destination addresses of the path,
+so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or
+disabled for repeated use of the same path.
+
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-
+
+Note that where multiple connections use the same path,
+the use of the spin bit MAY be coordinated by endpoints,
+recognizing that this might not be possible in many cases.

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I can the see the argument for QPACK being a generic quic compressor, = but as it stands, it is fairly tightly coupled to HTTP. The title says

"QPACK: Header Compression for HTTP over QUIC"

And the static table is fairly tightly coupled to HTTP as well.

At the very least the static table should be negotiable in QUIC TP if = the intend is to provide a generic compressor. This could be very useful = BTW.

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It's clear that I had misinterpreted intent from others. This cleans up the change from #2032 and makes more changes consistent with that principle throughout. This is a companion to #2044. Closes #2034. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2046 -- Commit Summary -- * TLS provides AEAD and KDF -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (39) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2046.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2046.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2046 ----==_mimepart_5bf757ac1ef68_1e5c3f82f84d45bc1047c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Phrase this not as having TLS providing a cipher suite, but as TLS
providing functions for protection and key derivation.

It's clear that I had misinterpreted intent from others. This cleans up the change from #2032 and makes more changes consistent with that principle throughout. This is a companion to #2044.

Closes #2034.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2046

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  • TLS provides AEAD and KDF

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+In response to an apparent migration, endpoints MUST validate the previously
+active path using a PATH_CHALLENGE frame.  This induces the sending of new
+packets on that path.  If the path is no longer viable, the validation attempt
+will time out and fail; if the path is viable, but no longer desired, the
+validation will succeed, but only result in a probing packet being sent on the
+path.
+
+An endpoint that receives a PATH_CHALLENGE on an active path SHOULD send a
+non-probing packet in response.  If the non-probing packet arrives before any
+copy made by an attacker, this results in the connection being migrated back to
+the original path.  Any subsequent migration to another path resets this entire
+process.
+
+Abandoning this validation attempt before it either succeeds or times out
+increases exposure to the packet copying attack.

Maybe this statement should be made more explicit. That is, the server should not abandon or even postpone a pending path validation when a new apparent migration is seen. Consider the case where the copying attacker's path to the server has about the same latency as the client's path. The server will see a random mix of packets from both paths, which results in a rapid sequence of apparent migrations. If each apparent migration causes pending validation attempts to be abandoned, or just causes the timer to be reset, then no validation will succeed and the server will never send another non-probing packet. This is what I observed in picoquic -- successive timer resets caused the server to become completely silent.

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I don't think that the collision argument is particularly relevant, be= cause we ensure that QUIC is the exclusive user of the secret (something = I think that we want to stipulate).

The issue here is separation between TLS and QUIC handshakes. The reas= on (I assume) that you are using the "quic " labels in key derivation is = to ensure that the QUIC traffic keys can never be the same as the TLS one= s, even though they are derived from the same secret.. However, this isn'= t the case if you have no idea what the TLS KDF is, as it could perversel= y use the "quic " labels

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -691,6 +692,24 @@ will be marked as lost before this, as they leave a gap in the sequence of
 packet numbers.
 
 
+## Discarding Initial Keys {#discard-initial}
+
+Packets protected with Initial secrets ({{initial-secrets}}) are not
+authenticated, meaning that an attacker could spoof packets with the intent to
+disrupt a connection.  To limit these attacks, Initial packet protection keys
+can be discarded more aggressively than other keys.
+
+The successful use of Handshake packets indicates that no more Initial packets
+need to be exchanged, as these keys can only be produced after receiving all
+CRYPTO frames from Initial packets.  Thus, a client MUST discard Initial keys
+when it first sends a Handshake packet and a server MUST discard Initial keys
+when it first successfully processes a Handshake packet.  Endpoints MUST NOT
+send Initial packets after this point.

Should we say that this means that the packet triggering this will never be acknowledged?

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My view is that it=E2=80=99s only the static table that=E2=80=99s HTTP= -specific.

And we do not need a TP for having different static tables for each pr= otocol; the use of protocol is negotiated by using ALPN, and static table= selection can naturally depend on that.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -1014,12 +1014,12 @@ represented as an 8-bit prefix string literal.
 QPACK defines two settings which are included in the HTTP/QUIC SETTINGS frame.
 
   SETTINGS_HEADER_TABLE_SIZE (0x1):
-  : An integer with a maximum value of 2^30 - 1.  The default value is 4,096
+  : An integer with a maximum value of 2^30 - 1.  The default value is zero
     bytes.  See {{table-dynamic}} for usage.

This is an interesting question. Section 2.2.2 of QPACK-03 begins as follows:

The size of the dynamic table is the sum of the size of its entries.

The size of an entry is the sum of its name's length in octets (as defined in Section 5.1.2), its value's length in octets, and 32.

My reading of this is that the table size is measured in octets.

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@dtikhonov approved this pull request.

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Shouldn=E2=80=99t octets be bytes for consistency with transport?

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= ----==_mimepart_5bf81c2ae020a_3543fa607cd45b427856e-- From nobody Fri Nov 23 08:05:20 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B590130E2E for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2018 08:05:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xIJsrxPPG35g for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2018 08:05:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DC52D130DFF for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2018 08:05:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2018 08:05:16 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1542989116; bh=znH1DAuhzlT/JFYnaaCdhBfONlMr40Oi7he58Czv0pM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=CgWKQ4aKRhOx43Z7zSpI5rXKrpyKnYBilLELtTK6J/ZRxFZmkYrKaY23ADwnw/QDb OVQyGv/0kCXue6O44DDIiZeNG9eSEsdK+fp3d/ACv2iNDZlE1hF4KTL6UtFep3jXuh fhziJryh5ErS+oTa4R/yDTDiKo1UadKnalk+vRP8= From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Receipt of STOP_SENDING on already-closed stream (#2048) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bf8253c66cb1_515c3fb8b94d45c06026cb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2018 16:05:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bf8253c66cb1_515c3fb8b94d45c06026cb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As of today, the draft states the following:=0D =0D > Receiving a STOP_SENDING frame for a locally-initiated send stream that= is =E2=80=9CReady=E2=80=9D or non-existent MUST be treated as a connecti= on error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.=0D =0D Due to packet loss, it is possible for a _STOP_SENDING_ frame to arrive a= fter the stream initiator closes the stream. In this case, it should not= be an error. -- = You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2048= ----==_mimepart_5bf8253c66cb1_515c3fb8b94d45c06026cb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

As of today, the draft states the following:

Receiving a STOP_SENDING frame for a locally-initiated send stream tha= t is =E2=80=9CReady=E2=80=9D or non-existent MUST be treated as a connect= ion error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.

Due to packet loss, it is possible for a STOP_SENDING frame t= o arrive after the stream initiator closes the stream. In this case, it = should not be an error.

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There are many other reasons why this could happen, but I don't think this is a problem. A stream does not cease to exist just because it is closed. From memory that state chart should be ok. But since you raise this point, perhaps clarification is needed.

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The term "non-existent" is only used once in the entire draft. I presumed it meant "not yet opened."

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@ekr commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -780,9 +780,12 @@ connection ID in the client's first Initial packet (see {{initial-secrets}}).
 This provides protection against off-path attackers and robustness against QUIC
 version unaware middleboxes, but not against on-path attackers.
 
-All ciphersuites currently defined for TLS 1.3 - and therefore QUIC - have a
-16-byte authentication tag and produce an output 16 bytes larger than their
-input.
+QUIC can use any of the ciphersuites defined in {{!TLS13}} with the exception of
+TLS_AES_128_CCM_8_SHA256.  The AEAD for that ciphersuite, AEAD_AES_128_CCM_8
+{{?CCM=RFC6655}}, does not produce a large enough authentication tag for use
+with header protection ({{header-protect}}).  All other ciphersuites defined in
+{{!TLS13}} have a 16-byte authentication tag and produce an output 16 bytes
+larger than their input.

It seems like there are two issues here:

  1. What is sufficient to allow PNE.
  2. What ciphers are secure enough.

It seems like for (1) we ought to say: "any cipher used with QUIC MUST have a minimum output size of at least X unpredictable bytes". That will exclude this cipher.

For (2) I think we ought to punt this to TLS.

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Even when the spin bit is not disabled by the administrator implementations SHOULD disable the spin bit on a randomly chosen -fraction of connections. The selection process should be designed such that -on average the spin bit is disabled for at least 1/8th of the connections. - -When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero, -regardless of the values received from their peer. Addendums or revisions to +fraction of connections. + +The selection process SHOULD be designed such that +on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network paths. +The random choice SHOULD be dependent +on the source and destination addresses of the path, +so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or +disabled for repeated use of the same path. I don't think you want this to be random but rather deterministic and unpredictable. "The selection process should be externally unpredictable but consistent for any given combination of source and destination address/port. For instance, the implementation might have a static key which it uses to key a pseudorandom function over these values and use the output to determine whether to send the spin bit:". With that said, is your thought that if there is migration the spin bit might suddenly start or stop working? If not, you need to rephrase this as being about the initial parameters. > - -When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero, -regardless of the values received from their peer. Addendums or revisions to +fraction of connections. + +The selection process SHOULD be designed such that +on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network paths. +The random choice SHOULD be dependent +on the source and destination addresses of the path, +so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or +disabled for repeated use of the same path. + +When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to +a constant value randomly chosen to be 0 or 1, +regardless of the values received from their peer. Alternatively, endpoints MAY +change this value when changing connection ID. Addendums or revisions to I have a number of problems with this text: 1. I don't think we need to specify anything 2. If we are to specify something, I would prefer it to be random on a per-packet basis. 3. The combination of SHOULD/MUST isn't even clear about whether other behaviors are permissible. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@ekr requested changes on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> @@ -235,11 +235,19 @@ Implementations SHOULD allow administrators of clients and servers to disable
 the spin bit either globally or on a per-connection basis.
 Even when the spin bit is not disabled by the administrator implementations
 SHOULD disable the spin bit on a randomly chosen
-fraction of connections.  The selection process should be designed such that
-on average the spin bit is disabled for at least 1/8th of the connections.
-
-When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero,
-regardless of the values received from their peer. Addendums or revisions to
+fraction of connections.
+
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network paths.
+The random choice SHOULD be dependent
+on the source and destination addresses of the path,
+so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or
+disabled for repeated use of the same path.

I don't think you want this to be random but rather deterministic and unpredictable.

"The selection process should be externally unpredictable but consistent for any given combination of source and destination address/port. For instance, the implementation might have a static key which it uses to key a pseudorandom function over these values and use the output to determine whether to send the spin bit:".

With that said, is your thought that if there is migration the spin bit might suddenly start or stop working? If not, you need to rephrase this as being about the initial parameters.

In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> -
-When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero,
-regardless of the values received from their peer. Addendums or revisions to
+fraction of connections.
+
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network paths.
+The random choice SHOULD be dependent
+on the source and destination addresses of the path,
+so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or
+disabled for repeated use of the same path.
+
+When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to
+a constant value randomly chosen to be 0 or 1,
+regardless of the values received from their peer.  Alternatively, endpoints MAY
+change this value when changing connection ID.  Addendums or revisions to

I have a number of problems with this text:

  1. I don't think we need to specify anything
  2. If we are to specify something, I would prefer it to be random on a per-packet basis.
  3. The combination of SHOULD/MUST isn't even clear about whether other behaviors are permissible.

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I'm not sure we need this, but if we are going to bother to have it, t= hen it should be a target. I.e., the other side should be required to kee= p you full, not just not to send you any more than this.

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----==_mimepart_5bf850d4417bd_71473fa66fed45b81578217-- From nobody Fri Nov 23 11:34:12 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5743912D84D for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2018 11:34:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id teyBRwXI34v4 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2018 11:34:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E590612D4EB for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2018 11:34:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2018 11:34:07 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543001647; bh=NfDHLF/rAe8VgJKyWBOSlr8KnN70H8gzKP4Uk5Oy/Hw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=sp53ciTjGrVsrG2YqkPRqjjTbTRqN0buA0WEKfNddmsYOtESFQIJrQHHIt6DBN7dl J0sd48oFPtuaRksCvTZO+BkSxBz6hgKPWucSNUUvamPEmQbwsezLzHwPxSHprgWGb1 DjcDjlpX2xjzmfX8vr8NObgk+LcgKt4Dl0Oa/8V0= From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Discard Initial keys as soon as possible (#2045) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bf8562fe6379_56ee3f8f6d8d45b414124b2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2018 19:34:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bf8562fe6379_56ee3f8f6d8d45b414124b2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ekr requested changes on this pull request. > @@ -439,6 +456,13 @@ Either packet indicates that the Initial was received but not processed. Neither packet can be treated as an acknowledgment for the Initial, but they MAY be used to improve the RTT estimate. +#### Discarding Initial State + +As described in Section 4.10 of {{QUIC-TLS}}, endpoints stop sending and +receiving Initial packets once they start exchanging Handshake packets. At this +point, all loss recovery state for the Initial encryption level is also +discarded. I'm not sure I understand what this mean; it seems like there is one set of variables. Do you mean you reset all the variables to the initial values. > @@ -1059,6 +1083,14 @@ A sender that does not use pacing SHOULD reset its congestion window to the minimum of the current congestion window and the initial congestion window. This recommendation is based on Section 4.1 of {{?RFC5681}}. +## In-Flight Packet Accounting + +When keys for an encryption level are discarded (see {{QUIC-TLS}}), any packets +sent with those keys are removed from the count of bytes in flight. No loss +events will occur for these packets. Note that it is expected that keys are +discarded after those packets would be declared lost, but Initial secrets are +destroyed earlier. I'm not sure I understand this text. > @@ -691,6 +692,24 @@ will be marked as lost before this, as they leave a gap in the sequence of packet numbers. +## Discarding Initial Keys {#discard-initial} + +Packets protected with Initial secrets ({{initial-secrets}}) are not +authenticated, meaning that an attacker could spoof packets with the intent to +disrupt a connection. To limit these attacks, Initial packet protection keys +can be discarded more aggressively than other keys. + +The successful use of Handshake packets indicates that no more Initial packets +need to be exchanged, as these keys can only be produced after receiving all +CRYPTO frames from Initial packets. Thus, a client MUST discard Initial keys +when it first sends a Handshake packet and a server MUST discard Initial keys +when it first successfully processes a Handshake packet. Endpoints MUST NOT +send Initial packets after this point. I thought the sense of the discussion in BKK was *not* to do this. It's a weird kind of implicit ACKIng. This probably needs list and issue discussion, not just merging at this time. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2045#pullrequestreview-178014366 ----==_mimepart_5bf8562fe6379_56ee3f8f6d8d45b414124b2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@ekr requested changes on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -439,6 +456,13 @@ Either packet indicates that the Initial was received but not processed.
 Neither packet can be treated as an acknowledgment for the Initial, but they MAY
 be used to improve the RTT estimate.
 
+#### Discarding Initial State
+
+As described in Section 4.10 of {{QUIC-TLS}}, endpoints stop sending and
+receiving Initial packets once they start exchanging Handshake packets.  At this
+point, all loss recovery state for the Initial encryption level is also
+discarded.

I'm not sure I understand what this mean; it seems like there is one set of variables. Do you mean you reset all the variables to the initial values.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1059,6 +1083,14 @@ A sender that does not use pacing SHOULD reset its congestion window to the
 minimum of the current congestion window and the initial congestion window.
 This recommendation is based on Section 4.1 of {{?RFC5681}}.
 
+## In-Flight Packet Accounting
+
+When keys for an encryption level are discarded (see {{QUIC-TLS}}), any packets
+sent with those keys are removed from the count of bytes in flight.  No loss
+events will occur for these packets.  Note that it is expected that keys are
+discarded after those packets would be declared lost, but Initial secrets are
+destroyed earlier.

I'm not sure I understand this text.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -691,6 +692,24 @@ will be marked as lost before this, as they leave a gap in the sequence of
 packet numbers.
 
 
+## Discarding Initial Keys {#discard-initial}
+
+Packets protected with Initial secrets ({{initial-secrets}}) are not
+authenticated, meaning that an attacker could spoof packets with the intent to
+disrupt a connection.  To limit these attacks, Initial packet protection keys
+can be discarded more aggressively than other keys.
+
+The successful use of Handshake packets indicates that no more Initial packets
+need to be exchanged, as these keys can only be produced after receiving all
+CRYPTO frames from Initial packets.  Thus, a client MUST discard Initial keys
+when it first sends a Handshake packet and a server MUST discard Initial keys
+when it first successfully processes a Handshake packet.  Endpoints MUST NOT
+send Initial packets after this point.

I thought the sense of the discussion in BKK was not to do this. It's a weird kind of implicit ACKIng. This probably needs list and issue discussion, not just merging at this time.

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I think the real question is whether they are too small. If you build them with self-encryption, you might want more room.

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I assume even with QUIC, unless the implementation goes out of its way= , ACKs should get piggybacked with data? If ACKs are always sent separate= ly then I would question this decision since unlike TCP they are occupyin= g network bandwidth. At the least we should document that ACKs must be pi= ggybacked whenever possible.

This seems to be related to #1977.

IMHO, it might be better to state that an endpoint SHOULD NOT send pur= e ACKs more than one per two packets being received. I say this because s= ome QUIC stacks might use a split design, where ACKs are generated in the= kernel (for more timely response) while generating retransmittable packe= ts in the userland.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -691,6 +692,24 @@ will be marked as lost before this, as they leave a gap in the sequence of
 packet numbers.
 
 
+## Discarding Initial Keys {#discard-initial}
+
+Packets protected with Initial secrets ({{initial-secrets}}) are not
+authenticated, meaning that an attacker could spoof packets with the intent to
+disrupt a connection.  To limit these attacks, Initial packet protection keys
+can be discarded more aggressively than other keys.
+
+The successful use of Handshake packets indicates that no more Initial packets
+need to be exchanged, as these keys can only be produced after receiving all
+CRYPTO frames from Initial packets.  Thus, a client MUST discard Initial keys
+when it first sends a Handshake packet and a server MUST discard Initial keys
+when it first successfully processes a Handshake packet.  Endpoints MUST NOT
+send Initial packets after this point.

That's exactly how the defense against this attack works. Only by stopping to process Initial data as early as possible, we can reduce the attack surface of the injection attack. This means that an endpoint won't be able to read the ACK for the last Initial packet it sent either.
And if we're certain that the ACK can't be read, why send it in the first place?

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@ekr commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -691,6 +692,24 @@ will be marked as lost before this, as they leave a gap in the sequence of
 packet numbers.
 
 
+## Discarding Initial Keys {#discard-initial}
+
+Packets protected with Initial secrets ({{initial-secrets}}) are not
+authenticated, meaning that an attacker could spoof packets with the intent to
+disrupt a connection.  To limit these attacks, Initial packet protection keys
+can be discarded more aggressively than other keys.
+
+The successful use of Handshake packets indicates that no more Initial packets
+need to be exchanged, as these keys can only be produced after receiving all
+CRYPTO frames from Initial packets.  Thus, a client MUST discard Initial keys
+when it first sends a Handshake packet and a server MUST discard Initial keys
+when it first successfully processes a Handshake packet.  Endpoints MUST NOT
+send Initial packets after this point.

Yes, and it's not clear to me it's worth making this change to defend against this attack. As I said, I don't recall there being consensus to make this change.

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@rpaulo commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -691,6 +692,24 @@ will be marked as lost before this, as they leave a gap in the sequence of
 packet numbers.
 
 
+## Discarding Initial Keys {#discard-initial}
+
+Packets protected with Initial secrets ({{initial-secrets}}) are not
+authenticated, meaning that an attacker could spoof packets with the intent to
+disrupt a connection.  To limit these attacks, Initial packet protection keys
+can be discarded more aggressively than other keys.
+
+The successful use of Handshake packets indicates that no more Initial packets
+need to be exchanged, as these keys can only be produced after receiving all
+CRYPTO frames from Initial packets.  Thus, a client MUST discard Initial keys
+when it first sends a Handshake packet and a server MUST discard Initial keys
+when it first successfully processes a Handshake packet.  Endpoints MUST NOT
+send Initial packets after this point.

I agree with @marten-seemann. What this means is that implementations won't even bother sending any ACKs. Perhaps the recommendation should be to discard the keys once the ACK arrives.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -691,6 +692,24 @@ will be marked as lost before this, as they leave a gap in the sequence of
 packet numbers.
 
 
+## Discarding Initial Keys {#discard-initial}
+
+Packets protected with Initial secrets ({{initial-secrets}}) are not
+authenticated, meaning that an attacker could spoof packets with the intent to
+disrupt a connection.  To limit these attacks, Initial packet protection keys
+can be discarded more aggressively than other keys.
+
+The successful use of Handshake packets indicates that no more Initial packets
+need to be exchanged, as these keys can only be produced after receiving all
+CRYPTO frames from Initial packets.  Thus, a client MUST discard Initial keys
+when it first sends a Handshake packet and a server MUST discard Initial keys
+when it first successfully processes a Handshake packet.  Endpoints MUST NOT
+send Initial packets after this point.

@rpaulo To clarify, I'm saying we should not send an ACK, and we should discard the keys as soon as possible.
Delaying to discard the keys until the ACK arrives is exactly what makes the attack possible in the first place: If we rely on ACKs, there's the problem that the ACK might get lost. Then the peer has to retransmit the last Initial packet, just to trigger the ACK (although it already knows that the packet was received, because new TLS keys became available). In the end, you'll end up generating and accepting Initial packets for a lot longer than the 3-way handshake in which they are actually needed, which is a big window for an attacker to inject a packet that will kill the connection.

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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> -
-When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero,
-regardless of the values received from their peer. Addendums or revisions to
+fraction of connections.
+
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network paths.
+The random choice SHOULD be dependent
+on the source and destination addresses of the path,
+so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or
+disabled for repeated use of the same path.
+
+When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to
+a constant value randomly chosen to be 0 or 1,
+regardless of the values received from their peer.  Alternatively, endpoints MAY
+change this value when changing connection ID.  Addendums or revisions to

The static 0 or 1 was pretty much a consensus in the previous discussions. People were not enthusiastic with the idea of firing the random generator for each packet for one bit. If you really insist, we could have a MAY that allows the random bit behavior.

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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> @@ -235,11 +235,19 @@ Implementations SHOULD allow administrators of clients and servers to disable
 the spin bit either globally or on a per-connection basis.
 Even when the spin bit is not disabled by the administrator implementations
 SHOULD disable the spin bit on a randomly chosen
-fraction of connections.  The selection process should be designed such that
-on average the spin bit is disabled for at least 1/8th of the connections.
-
-When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero,
-regardless of the values received from their peer. Addendums or revisions to
+fraction of connections.
+
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network paths.
+The random choice SHOULD be dependent
+on the source and destination addresses of the path,
+so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or
+disabled for repeated use of the same path.

My preference would be to make a policy decision to spin or not at the connection level, that is flip the coin based on the initial pair of addresses. But then, we also need a paragraph stating that the initial value of the spin bit is randomly computed for each path in a connection. If the policy decides to spin, this value will spin. If not, it will stay constant, to zero or one.

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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> -
-When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero,
-regardless of the values received from their peer. Addendums or revisions to
+fraction of connections.
+
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network paths.
+The random choice SHOULD be dependent
+on the source and destination addresses of the path,
+so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or
+disabled for repeated use of the same path.
+
+When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to
+a constant value randomly chosen to be 0 or 1,
+regardless of the values received from their peer.  Alternatively, endpoints MAY
+change this value when changing connection ID.  Addendums or revisions to

... but I don't like allowing multiple behaviors, because of finger printing risks. What are yoy trying to achieve with a random spin per packet?

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -691,6 +692,24 @@ will be marked as lost before this, as they leave a gap in the sequence of
 packet numbers.
 
 
+## Discarding Initial Keys {#discard-initial}
+
+Packets protected with Initial secrets ({{initial-secrets}}) are not
+authenticated, meaning that an attacker could spoof packets with the intent to
+disrupt a connection.  To limit these attacks, Initial packet protection keys
+can be discarded more aggressively than other keys.
+
+The successful use of Handshake packets indicates that no more Initial packets
+need to be exchanged, as these keys can only be produced after receiving all
+CRYPTO frames from Initial packets.  Thus, a client MUST discard Initial keys
+when it first sends a Handshake packet and a server MUST discard Initial keys
+when it first successfully processes a Handshake packet.  Endpoints MUST NOT
+send Initial packets after this point.

Okay, I see what you mean. I think that from a transport protocol perspective, not sending an ACK isn't good since you just ignored a possible RTT estimation. You could estimate the RTT from the new handshake packet, I suppose, but that's not how the transport part works.

I'm not sure I understand the attack since to spoof the initial packet, the third party must be doing a man in the middle attack. In that case, why not do it early and abuse the stateless reset or retry?

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -691,6 +692,24 @@ will be marked as lost before this, as they leave a gap in the sequence of
 packet numbers.
 
 
+## Discarding Initial Keys {#discard-initial}
+
+Packets protected with Initial secrets ({{initial-secrets}}) are not
+authenticated, meaning that an attacker could spoof packets with the intent to
+disrupt a connection.  To limit these attacks, Initial packet protection keys
+can be discarded more aggressively than other keys.
+
+The successful use of Handshake packets indicates that no more Initial packets
+need to be exchanged, as these keys can only be produced after receiving all
+CRYPTO frames from Initial packets.  Thus, a client MUST discard Initial keys
+when it first sends a Handshake packet and a server MUST discard Initial keys
+when it first successfully processes a Handshake packet.  Endpoints MUST NOT
+send Initial packets after this point.

It is not a man in the middle attack, it is a man on the side attack. The initial packet can be decrypted and a response can be constructed, but at the next encryption level that option is gone. This is why the initial is special.

If it is possible to forge a reset from the initial packet, something is wrong in the design. It is not possible when a new connection id is produced, but I'm not sure if there the CID is fixed zero length. If there is an attack here, the reset token ought to moved further into the handshake.

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@rpaulo commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -691,6 +692,24 @@ will be marked as lost before this, as they leave a gap in the sequence of
 packet numbers.
 
 
+## Discarding Initial Keys {#discard-initial}
+
+Packets protected with Initial secrets ({{initial-secrets}}) are not
+authenticated, meaning that an attacker could spoof packets with the intent to
+disrupt a connection.  To limit these attacks, Initial packet protection keys
+can be discarded more aggressively than other keys.
+
+The successful use of Handshake packets indicates that no more Initial packets
+need to be exchanged, as these keys can only be produced after receiving all
+CRYPTO frames from Initial packets.  Thus, a client MUST discard Initial keys
+when it first sends a Handshake packet and a server MUST discard Initial keys
+when it first successfully processes a Handshake packet.  Endpoints MUST NOT
+send Initial packets after this point.

Sure but the attacker my be on path. My point was that you need to know the IP, port and CIDs. The attack gets significantly easier when the CID length is zero.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -691,6 +692,24 @@ will be marked as lost before this, as they leave a gap in the sequence of
 packet numbers.
 
 
+## Discarding Initial Keys {#discard-initial}
+
+Packets protected with Initial secrets ({{initial-secrets}}) are not
+authenticated, meaning that an attacker could spoof packets with the intent to
+disrupt a connection.  To limit these attacks, Initial packet protection keys
+can be discarded more aggressively than other keys.
+
+The successful use of Handshake packets indicates that no more Initial packets
+need to be exchanged, as these keys can only be produced after receiving all
+CRYPTO frames from Initial packets.  Thus, a client MUST discard Initial keys
+when it first sends a Handshake packet and a server MUST discard Initial keys
+when it first successfully processes a Handshake packet.  Endpoints MUST NOT
+send Initial packets after this point.

Just for the perspective, attackers with observation powers are very very real. Aside from intelligence service taps, there is also infiltration. Even if you don't control the path, you migt sit on the same LAN because another machine was easier to infect.

This is a good read: https://www.wired.com/story/notpetya-cyberattack-ukraine-russia-code-crashed-the-world/

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----==_mimepart_5bf9c2a7614c4_32073feae5ed45bc7867f6-- From nobody Sat Nov 24 20:14:46 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 009B5128CE4 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2018 20:14:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qrtn5bEJ-cex for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2018 20:14:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 79CAE123FFD for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2018 20:14:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2018 20:14:43 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543119283; bh=xiDCZkyLJ8egNFXVcTDunYWRZYdKTn6pPnCWzkpDoHw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=sDrMhyVCxE/dH/F/H2AmLGS6mGKoV4Z1yqYOeirxHLtlMnz6qiK0NccYYQKAx9Fnr kkNOKdzHFo2YCuLZjViiftsmWONpmPuMLDAndBXLzBHN5Uhda3GetgbURSIq5MTOVc xz21ALRhamgj5ZvPS8g6nx81q4/sQ048S9+tjDMI= From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] minimum payload size requirement creates awkward special case (#2049) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bfa21b340fab_72953fb36d4d45bc46182d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2018 04:14:46 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bfa21b340fab_72953fb36d4d45bc46182d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In #2030 we set the minimum payload size to `4-packet number length`. This creates a really awkward special case in my code. When packing STREAM frames, I make sure that the last STREAM frame doesn't have the length flag set, so I can save the bytes for encoding the payload length. In the corner case where I only have a single stream for new a stream with stream ID < 64 that is closing that stream at offset 0, the length of this STREAM frame is just 2 bytes: 1 (type byte) + 1 (stream ID). If I now add a PADDING frame in order to fulfill the minimum size requirement, this will be interpreted as part of the payload of the STREAM frame, so I will need special logic to detect the special case described above, and set the length flag on the STREAM frame in that case. The motivation for #2030 was to avoid a special case that would rarely be executed (and which would lead to an undecryptable packet in the worst case). It seems that we achieved that by introducing an even rarer special case, which leads to incorrect delivery of stream data if not properly taken care of. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2049 ----==_mimepart_5bfa21b340fab_72953fb36d4d45bc46182d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

In #2030 we set the minimum payload size to 4-packet number length.
This creates a really awkward special case in my code. When packing STREAM frames, I make sure that the last STREAM frame doesn't have the length flag set, so I can save the bytes for encoding the payload length.

In the corner case where I only have a single stream for new a stream with stream ID < 64 that is closing that stream at offset 0, the length of this STREAM frame is just 2 bytes: 1 (type byte) + 1 (stream ID).
If I now add a PADDING frame in order to fulfill the minimum size requirement, this will be interpreted as part of the payload of the STREAM frame, so I will need special logic to detect the special case described above, and set the length flag on the STREAM frame in that case.

The motivation for #2030 was to avoid a special case that would rarely be executed (and which would lead to an undecryptable packet in the worst case). It seems that we achieved that by introducing an even rarer special case, which leads to incorrect delivery of stream data if not properly taken care of.

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This is an interesting pitfall!

Maybe you can prepend the PADDING frames instead?

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I could, if I knew that there I=E2=80=99ll run into this corner case b= eforehand. But in my implementation, I=E2=80=99ll only know that after pa= cking the STREAM frames. I could also write a check for exactly this spec= ial case, and then modify the STREAM frame to include the length field.

I=E2=80=99m not saying that this problem is not solvable - I just doub= t that it=E2=80=99s easier than adjusting the sample offset, plus the con= sequences for getting it wrong a more severe.

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I could, if I knew that there I=E2=80=99ll run into this corner case bef= orehand. But in my implementation, I=E2=80=99ll only know that after packin= g the STREAM frames.

What I mean is that when you notice that the length of the streams is be= low 4 bytes, you can move them backwards and insert PADDING before them. Th= at logic would replace the logic you have, that appends PADDING frames.

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I think this can be trivially solved by updating your logic that decides if the length should be included in the STREAM frame. When writing the frame to the packet buffer, if the length of the stream data is less than 4 bytes just always include the length.

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@ekr commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> -
-When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero,
-regardless of the values received from their peer. Addendums or revisions to
+fraction of connections.
+
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network paths.
+The random choice SHOULD be dependent
+on the source and destination addresses of the path,
+so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or
+disabled for repeated use of the same path.
+
+When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to
+a constant value randomly chosen to be 0 or 1,
+regardless of the values received from their peer.  Alternatively, endpoints MAY
+change this value when changing connection ID.  Addendums or revisions to

Well, as I said, I would prefer not specifying anything. As far as I can tell, there's no valid interop reason to do so. What I'm trying to avoid is having a characteristic "I am not doing spin bit" behavior that people anchor on, and "this is always 1" is totally that. Random is at least somewhat better.

As far as needing a PRNG, there's plenty of randomness floating around in packet processing. Specifically, because the PNE mask generation function generates 128 bits at a time.

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Addendums or revisions to +fraction of connections. + +The selection process SHOULD be designed such that +on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network paths. +The random choice SHOULD be dependent +on the source and destination addresses of the path, +so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or +disabled for repeated use of the same path. + +When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to +a constant value randomly chosen to be 0 or 1, +regardless of the values received from their peer. Alternatively, endpoints MAY +change this value when changing connection ID. Addendums or revisions to @EKR Removing text is easy, and I would be willing to do that if there is consensus. But I would like to hear another couple of voices advocating that -- say @martinthomson or @kazuho, who expressed opinions on the subject before. As for PNRG, it cannot be the PNE mask for the spin bit. 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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> -
-When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero,
-regardless of the values received from their peer. Addendums or revisions to
+fraction of connections.
+
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network paths.
+The random choice SHOULD be dependent
+on the source and destination addresses of the path,
+so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or
+disabled for repeated use of the same path.
+
+When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to
+a constant value randomly chosen to be 0 or 1,
+regardless of the values received from their peer.  Alternatively, endpoints MAY
+change this value when changing connection ID.  Addendums or revisions to

@ekr Removing text is easy, and I would be willing to do that if there is consensus. But I would like to hear another couple of voices advocating that -- say @martinthomson or @kazuho, who expressed opinions on the subject before.

As for PNRG, it cannot be the PNE mask for the spin bit. The spin bit is protected by the AEAD checksum and has to be set before AEAD protection. The PNE mask is computed using the AEAD output, and is not available in time for randomizing the spin bit.

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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> -
-When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero,
-regardless of the values received from their peer. Addendums or revisions to
+fraction of connections.
+
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network paths.
+The random choice SHOULD be dependent
+on the source and destination addresses of the path,
+so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or
+disabled for repeated use of the same path.
+
+When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to
+a constant value randomly chosen to be 0 or 1,
+regardless of the values received from their peer.  Alternatively, endpoints MAY
+change this value when changing connection ID.  Addendums or revisions to

You can't use the PNE mask for creating random data that is part of the data protected by AEAD tag because the PNE process might be offloaded to a separate process or hardware.

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I think this header protection is starting to bleed into the core pack= et processing and I don't think that is a particular good idea.

If you revert to the old method header protection method, @kazuho argues that both sender and receiver must perform a check for adjustme= nt. However, you must still check that the received packet is long enough= to sample since the packet might be evil or faulty. If the length check = is for the common case where no offset adjustment is needed, there is no = extra overhead. If the check fails you need to perform a new length check= that can handle short packet numbers with short content.

Special casing short packets is a bit unfortunate if you have a lot of= short packets to process, but the the overhead is still limited and more= importantly isolated to one place in the logic framework. Also, if there= are many short packets, branch prediction will likely figure it out.

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With the current padding solution you get the special case @marten-seemann mentions, but you might also still have to check if= the sampling does not overlap with payload when the packet number is sho= rt and the payload is short. If you don't check this you could be trigger= ed to xor the mask into the payload. Likely AEAD will catch this but it i= s an unsafe praxis, so you still have extra checks for short packets.

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@ekr commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> -
-When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero,
-regardless of the values received from their peer. Addendums or revisions to
+fraction of connections.
+
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network paths.
+The random choice SHOULD be dependent
+on the source and destination addresses of the path,
+so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or
+disabled for repeated use of the same path.
+
+When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to
+a constant value randomly chosen to be 0 or 1,
+regardless of the values received from their peer.  Alternatively, endpoints MAY
+change this value when changing connection ID.  Addendums or revisions to

@huitema: this text is a PR, so it needs consensus to be added at all. As for the PRNG: you can use data generated from the PNE for a previous packet. As I said, there's plenty of surplus. I don't think that @mikkelfj's point is persuasive. Nobody is telling you how to generate random data. I am merely observing that it's effectively free to do so with most implementations.

Again, I think this document should remain silent on the contents of this bit if you aren't doing spin. My position is: silent > random > the current text.

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@huitema commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> -
-When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero,
-regardless of the values received from their peer. Addendums or revisions to
+fraction of connections.
+
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network paths.
+The random choice SHOULD be dependent
+on the source and destination addresses of the path,
+so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or
+disabled for repeated use of the same path.
+
+When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to
+a constant value randomly chosen to be 0 or 1,
+regardless of the values received from their peer.  Alternatively, endpoints MAY
+change this value when changing connection ID.  Addendums or revisions to

I am concerned with fingerprinting. If implementations invent their own scheme, than the observed patterns will identify the implementation, and that's a moderate privacy risk. The other issue is of course ossification. if middle boxes "learn" that there are a few one specific patterns for that bit. The current spec specifies a random constant, which does entail a moderate ossification risk.

Specifying nothing amount to trusting the implementations. That will probably lead implementers to copy whatever Google does, in order to not stick out. That may be fine. Specifying random would work if implementations were really using good random sources, but implementations have very often failed to do that. If they use a predictable pseudo-random pattern, they can be easily fingerprinted.

I am looking at the "interop" reason. The main risk is that an overzealous receiver barfs because the spin bit is not what it expected. So maybe we should just say that endpoints that do not enable the spin bit MAY put whatever value they see fit, and MUST accept any incoming value.

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----==_mimepart_5bfb4ca1eef40_46e33f94a08d45b8641c7-- From nobody Sun Nov 25 17:50:08 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C47CB130E71 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2018 17:50:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2hN_353RoTKg for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2018 17:50:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 115AE128AFB for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2018 17:50:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2018 17:50:04 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543197004; bh=7yM6Z6XK980C2VTFaRtL1zod3Ywyjfj9zUjIza2KW9s=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=JuloYdl0xoLwUAinwXPmHYjOvKU16nN2ooT227r2RsbVGGNxhEN766JNj6567a0Zh ea8zR3a+GDjZ1ZbdORasqCMhqe3FMSHr9zsJZf9d0TpAX9bb/YbDCYXxeTbkDtdSUj cVPA/6Z1OeBvgJj1UBrp70uwBDQvAaNJAfpsTdP8= From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Spin per peer (#1982) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bfb514c3c2dd_33b73fba738d45c4121311"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 01:50:07 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bfb514c3c2dd_33b73fba738d45c4121311 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ekr commented on this pull request. > - -When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero, -regardless of the values received from their peer. Addendums or revisions to +fraction of connections. + +The selection process SHOULD be designed such that +on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network paths. +The random choice SHOULD be dependent +on the source and destination addresses of the path, +so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or +disabled for repeated use of the same path. + +When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to +a constant value randomly chosen to be 0 or 1, +regardless of the values received from their peer. Alternatively, endpoints MAY +change this value when changing connection ID. Addendums or revisions to I would be fine with what you propose here. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1982#discussion_r236103807 ----==_mimepart_5bfb514c3c2dd_33b73fba738d45c4121311 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@ekr commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> -
-When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero,
-regardless of the values received from their peer. Addendums or revisions to
+fraction of connections.
+
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network paths.
+The random choice SHOULD be dependent
+on the source and destination addresses of the path,
+so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or
+disabled for repeated use of the same path.
+
+When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to
+a constant value randomly chosen to be 0 or 1,
+regardless of the values received from their peer.  Alternatively, endpoints MAY
+change this value when changing connection ID.  Addendums or revisions to

I would be fine with what you propose here.

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I thought the sense of the discussion in BKK was not to do th= is. It's a weird kind of implicit ACKIng.

I share the view that it is a variant of implicit ACKing, something th= at we decided to not adopt in Kista. OTOH, it is an improvement = in terms of preventing man-on-the-side attacks that try to disrupt connec= tion establishment.

IMO, the proposed approach is trivial to implement for everybody. In a= ddition to that, it simplifies QUIC stacks that implement protection agai= nst Initial injection, because they are no longer required to continue re= sponding to Initial packets (that might contain rogue information).

Considering the aspects, as stated in #1951 (comment),= I am now in favor of adopting this.

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Note that, as stated, it is valid to receive the frame for a stream that has been closed. Closes #2048. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2050 -- Commit Summary -- * s/non-existent/not yet created/ -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (2) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2050.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2050.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2050 ----==_mimepart_5bfb6692df7d0_47283f94a08d45b823086a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This is the only relevant condition.

Note that, as stated, it is valid to receive the frame for a stream that has been closed.

Closes #2048.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -780,9 +780,12 @@ connection ID in the client's first Initial packet (see {{initial-secrets}}).
 This provides protection against off-path attackers and robustness against QUIC
 version unaware middleboxes, but not against on-path attackers.
 
-All ciphersuites currently defined for TLS 1.3 - and therefore QUIC - have a
-16-byte authentication tag and produce an output 16 bytes larger than their
-input.
+QUIC can use any of the ciphersuites defined in {{!TLS13}} with the exception of
+TLS_AES_128_CCM_8_SHA256.  The AEAD for that ciphersuite, AEAD_AES_128_CCM_8
+{{?CCM=RFC6655}}, does not produce a large enough authentication tag for use
+with header protection ({{header-protect}}).  All other ciphersuites defined in
+{{!TLS13}} have a 16-byte authentication tag and produce an output 16 bytes
+larger than their input.

I broadly agree, though I don't think that we can do (1) here because we don't know what PNE scheme might be devised to be paired with some future AEAD. It seems like we have a requirement now, but something like FFX might be OK with a smaller sample. I would prefer, as this does, to simply say that CCM_8 doesn't have a large enough expansion to use with the header protection schemes we have defined.

Should someone address the second question (and the question of whom to convince of this is interesting, but within the IETF it's clearly TLS), and design an header protection scheme based on that, then my hope is that this text wouldn't prevent them from using that.

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Self-encryption isn't useful here. Self-encryption of a connection ID, sure, but the producer and consumer of a stateless reset token is different.

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----==_mimepart_5bfb6b0c50e20_75d73f8abcad45b83427bb-- From nobody Sun Nov 25 19:40:28 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2305130E05 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2018 19:40:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SjuKOI7UJlQy for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2018 19:40:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 330561292F1 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2018 19:40:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2018 19:40:24 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543203624; bh=c0OETJC9PG+sEPYg/2nMKUSHBUdlpMKGrqg1PHrak44=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=poaVf//HZ/nwZlI8vxx5WXyGIJOH547BbJf5u0HuCinFkmD8JLAlkT2wyN6kggZhV pEk3FeR5vN8UjZP1krK+sEXrimKhPru/a6TXo8vcrD9uOmUJ0LDbPJnTC8h+tBaDfv vesIbPzMXzcEuIDlaFCbD9S7WavGxtOy6oGwenZs= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Spin per peer (#1982) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bfb6b28878e9_611c3fcde20d45b8589534"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 03:40:27 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bfb6b28878e9_611c3fcde20d45b8589534 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit huitema commented on this pull request. > - -When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero, -regardless of the values received from their peer. Addendums or revisions to +fraction of connections. + +The selection process SHOULD be designed such that +on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network paths. +The random choice SHOULD be dependent +on the source and destination addresses of the path, +so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or +disabled for repeated use of the same path. + +When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to +a constant value randomly chosen to be 0 or 1, +regardless of the values received from their peer. Alternatively, endpoints MAY +change this value when changing connection ID. Addendums or revisions to OK, I just updated the text by removing the specification. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1982#discussion_r236114458 ----==_mimepart_5bfb6b28878e9_611c3fcde20d45b8589534 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> -
-When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero,
-regardless of the values received from their peer. Addendums or revisions to
+fraction of connections.
+
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network paths.
+The random choice SHOULD be dependent
+on the source and destination addresses of the path,
+so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or
+disabled for repeated use of the same path.
+
+When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to
+a constant value randomly chosen to be 0 or 1,
+regardless of the values received from their peer.  Alternatively, endpoints MAY
+change this value when changing connection ID.  Addendums or revisions to

OK, I just updated the text by removing the specification.

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As others have said, this makes things more deterministic, but more co= mplex. I'm going to suggest that this is fertile ground for extensions. = We can't know what the right answer is today, and it's going to take some= deployment experience to get it right. More machinery will likely only = interfere with our ability to deploy fixes if they are needed. And if no= fixes are needed...success.

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Maybe don't pad, but change the packet number encoding instead.

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@ekr commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -780,9 +780,12 @@ connection ID in the client's first Initial packet (see {{initial-secrets}}).
 This provides protection against off-path attackers and robustness against QUIC
 version unaware middleboxes, but not against on-path attackers.
 
-All ciphersuites currently defined for TLS 1.3 - and therefore QUIC - have a
-16-byte authentication tag and produce an output 16 bytes larger than their
-input.
+QUIC can use any of the ciphersuites defined in {{!TLS13}} with the exception of
+TLS_AES_128_CCM_8_SHA256.  The AEAD for that ciphersuite, AEAD_AES_128_CCM_8
+{{?CCM=RFC6655}}, does not produce a large enough authentication tag for use
+with header protection ({{header-protect}}).  All other ciphersuites defined in
+{{!TLS13}} have a 16-byte authentication tag and produce an output 16 bytes
+larger than their input.

Hmm.... This seems like it raises the broader issue of how we import new ciphers into QUIC. As a hypothetical suppose TLS were to adopt an AES-GCM-SIV-based construction. It seems like at present we would actually require some new document to explain how to use it with QUIC. That seems sort of unfortunate, but formally I think that's true, because this document specifies a very specific list of ciphers.

If we wanted to, we could probably generalize this to some extent by documenting the properties of given ciphers and then how header protection works (i.e., block ciphers are done like this, nonce-based stream ciphers are done like this...) Not sure it's worth it, thoguh.

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Kind-of related, but by rereading #1041 I notice that a = Stateless Reset is considered valid even for packets that arrive from a n= on-validated path (see section 10.4.= 1).

Is that intentional? Or should we limit the detection of Stateless Res= ets to packets that arrive from a pre-validated path?

I ask this because the current design of CID allows 218*8 o= f space to identify a connection (because CID is generated by the endpoin= t that uses it to identify the connection), whereas a stateless reset tok= en only provides 28*8 space (because token is generated by pee= r and therefore be suspected to birthday attacks.

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It is intentional. Even if 264 was insufficient, I don't t= hink that it's that bad. Birthday bounds only come into play when you wa= nt to kill one connection from many. That is, you are willing to send 2<= sup>64 packets and there are 264 connection IDs live. S= tandard DoS mitigation techniques probably start to apply before the birt= hday bound is threatened.

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Thank you for the clarification. Makes sense to me.

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Thanks, this addresses my concern. I don't see how the client MUST has any force given that there's no time limit; perhaps it ought to be a SHOULD?

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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> -
-When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero,
-regardless of the values received from their peer. Addendums or revisions to
+fraction of connections.
+
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network paths.
+The random choice SHOULD be dependent
+on the source and destination addresses of the path,
+so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or
+disabled for repeated use of the same path.
+
+When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to
+a constant value randomly chosen to be 0 or 1,
+regardless of the values received from their peer.  Alternatively, endpoints MAY
+change this value when changing connection ID.  Addendums or revisions to

Correction:

this text is a PR, so it needs consensus to be added at all

That isn't the standard we've been holding to. That will begin soon, but not yet.

As for the specific recommendation: I think that the concrete requirement is that the "spin/not" decision has to be made per-path, but the "how to not spin" decision is one best left to implementation discretion - other than perhaps recommending that the value does not leak any private information (about what is encrypted, or about what might happen on other paths for the same connection).

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
 A response MAY consist of multiple messages when and only when one or more
 informational responses (1xx, see {{!RFC7231}}, Section 6.2) precede a final
 response to the same request.  Non-final responses do not contain a payload body
 or trailers.
 
 An HTTP request/response exchange fully consumes a bidirectional QUIC stream.
-After sending a request, a client closes the stream for sending; after sending a
-final response, the server closes the stream for sending and the QUIC stream is
-fully closed.  Requests and responses are considered complete when the
-corresponding QUIC stream is closed in the appropriate direction.
+After sending a request, a client MUST close the stream for sending; after
+sending a final response, the server MUST close the stream for sending. At
+this point, the QUIC stream is fully closed.

To @martinduke's comment, maybe it is enough to say "A message is terminated when the stream is closed." Instead of all these words.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
 A response MAY consist of multiple messages when and only when one or more
 informational responses (1xx, see {{!RFC7231}}, Section 6.2) precede a final
 response to the same request.  Non-final responses do not contain a payload body
 or trailers.
 
 An HTTP request/response exchange fully consumes a bidirectional QUIC stream.
-After sending a request, a client closes the stream for sending; after sending a
-final response, the server closes the stream for sending and the QUIC stream is
-fully closed.  Requests and responses are considered complete when the
-corresponding QUIC stream is closed in the appropriate direction.
+After sending a request, a client MUST close the stream for sending; after
+sending a final response, the server MUST close the stream for sending. At
+this point, the QUIC stream is fully closed.

Oh, and now I realize that this is what it said before... Not sure whether this is an improvement then.

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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> @@ -235,11 +235,19 @@ Implementations SHOULD allow administrators of clients and servers to disable
 the spin bit either globally or on a per-connection basis.
 Even when the spin bit is not disabled by the administrator implementations
 SHOULD disable the spin bit on a randomly chosen
-fraction of connections.  The selection process should be designed such that
-on average the spin bit is disabled for at least 1/8th of the connections.
-
-When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero,
-regardless of the values received from their peer. Addendums or revisions to
+fraction of connections.
+
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network paths.
+The random choice SHOULD be dependent
+on the source and destination addresses of the path,
+so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or
+disabled for repeated use of the same path.

I replaced the random selection text by EKR's suggestion, and added a clarification that the choice is done once per connection.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1059,6 +1083,14 @@ A sender that does not use pacing SHOULD reset its congestion window to the
 minimum of the current congestion window and the initial congestion window.
 This recommendation is based on Section 4.1 of {{?RFC5681}}.
 
+## In-Flight Packet Accounting
+
+When keys for an encryption level are discarded (see {{QUIC-TLS}}), any packets
+sent with those keys are removed from the count of bytes in flight.  No loss
+events will occur for these packets.  Note that it is expected that keys are
+discarded after those packets would be declared lost, but Initial secrets are
+destroyed earlier.

We discussed some of that in the chat room (because we enjoy splitting discussions on many channels with different note well rules). The general idea is that if packets are implicitly acknowledged, then the corresponding bytes are removed from the count of bytes in flight. To quote, "Implicit ACK should be treated just like regular ACK, but there are 2 small issues -- spurious repeat, and ACK. The handshake can complete with a spurious repeat still in flight, or with a not-yet-received ACK. Still, that cannot be a huge deal."

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To limit these attacks, Initial packet protection keys +can be discarded more aggressively than other keys. + +The successful use of Handshake packets indicates that no more Initial packets +need to be exchanged, as these keys can only be produced after receiving all +CRYPTO frames from Initial packets. Thus, a client MUST discard Initial keys +when it first sends a Handshake packet and a server MUST discard Initial keys +when it first successfully processes a Handshake packet. Endpoints MUST NOT +send Initial packets after this point. I agree with the spirit of the text: we must defend against this attack, and the proper way has to be some form of implicit ACK. But I would like to see the implicit acknowledgement mechanism specified in the transport draft, because it affects the transport state machine. Obviously, bad things would happen if one side decided to stop send sending Initial packets while the other side was still waiting for ACK of its own packets, and repeating them. That means we must be crystal clear on when exactly to perform this "initial cut-off": on the client side, when the Handshake secret is successfully received and the client starts being able receiving handshake packets; on the server side, when the first handshake packet is received from the server. > @@ -691,6 +692,24 @@ will be marked as lost before this, as they leave a gap in the sequence of packet numbers. +## Discarding Initial Keys {#discard-initial} + +Packets protected with Initial secrets ({{initial-secrets}}) are not +authenticated, meaning that an attacker could spoof packets with the intent to +disrupt a connection. To limit these attacks, Initial packet protection keys +can be discarded more aggressively than other keys. + +The successful use of Handshake packets indicates that no more Initial packets +need to be exchanged, as these keys can only be produced after receiving all +CRYPTO frames from Initial packets. Thus, a client MUST discard Initial keys +when it first sends a Handshake packet and a server MUST discard Initial keys +when it first successfully processes a Handshake packet. Endpoints MUST NOT +send Initial packets after this point. I also looked at how to implement a similar protection without this kind of cut-off, and it just does not work. Suppose for example that the client receives a repeated Initial packet after the cut-off. In the post cutoff defensive mode, it can decide to ignore the packet content, since it cannot possibly learn anything interesting, but it would still need to send an ACK, otherwise the peer will keep repeating 3 or 4 times and then give up on the connection. But then, if the packet from the "server" was forged, the ACK from the client will be treated as a protocol violation, and the server will close the connection. Catch 22, no good way to get out of that. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -691,6 +692,24 @@ will be marked as lost before this, as they leave a gap in the sequence of
 packet numbers.
 
 
+## Discarding Initial Keys {#discard-initial}
+
+Packets protected with Initial secrets ({{initial-secrets}}) are not
+authenticated, meaning that an attacker could spoof packets with the intent to
+disrupt a connection.  To limit these attacks, Initial packet protection keys
+can be discarded more aggressively than other keys.
+
+The successful use of Handshake packets indicates that no more Initial packets
+need to be exchanged, as these keys can only be produced after receiving all
+CRYPTO frames from Initial packets.  Thus, a client MUST discard Initial keys
+when it first sends a Handshake packet and a server MUST discard Initial keys
+when it first successfully processes a Handshake packet.  Endpoints MUST NOT
+send Initial packets after this point.

I agree with the spirit of the text: we must defend against this attack, and the proper way has to be some form of implicit ACK. But I would like to see the implicit acknowledgement mechanism specified in the transport draft, because it affects the transport state machine. Obviously, bad things would happen if one side decided to stop send sending Initial packets while the other side was still waiting for ACK of its own packets, and repeating them. That means we must be crystal clear on when exactly to perform this "initial cut-off": on the client side, when the Handshake secret is successfully received and the client starts being able receiving handshake packets; on the server side, when the first handshake packet is received from the server.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -691,6 +692,24 @@ will be marked as lost before this, as they leave a gap in the sequence of
 packet numbers.
 
 
+## Discarding Initial Keys {#discard-initial}
+
+Packets protected with Initial secrets ({{initial-secrets}}) are not
+authenticated, meaning that an attacker could spoof packets with the intent to
+disrupt a connection.  To limit these attacks, Initial packet protection keys
+can be discarded more aggressively than other keys.
+
+The successful use of Handshake packets indicates that no more Initial packets
+need to be exchanged, as these keys can only be produced after receiving all
+CRYPTO frames from Initial packets.  Thus, a client MUST discard Initial keys
+when it first sends a Handshake packet and a server MUST discard Initial keys
+when it first successfully processes a Handshake packet.  Endpoints MUST NOT
+send Initial packets after this point.

I also looked at how to implement a similar protection without this kind of cut-off, and it just does not work. Suppose for example that the client receives a repeated Initial packet after the cut-off. In the post cutoff defensive mode, it can decide to ignore the packet content, since it cannot possibly learn anything interesting, but it would still need to send an ACK, otherwise the peer will keep repeating 3 or 4 times and then give up on the connection. But then, if the packet from the "server" was forged, the ACK from the client will be treated as a protocol violation, and the server will close the connection. Catch 22, no good way to get out of that.

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----==_mimepart_5bfbb43fd61f_4e243f8d7a4d45bc1645455-- From nobody Mon Nov 26 00:58:12 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91D20130DE5 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 00:58:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rJxkMunIvfbD for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 00:58:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 900891294D0 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 00:58:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 00:58:07 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543222687; bh=y3Y57SYVPwroQsBGLz3UOzsgCeFKb/hv0CdnZUHi7vo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=1Hp9ngx4MoKQUbvaG6mPx5f92uAcXrsNyP5iggHyuU/UnYu9beQwd45ZS72NaBH20 XE1ZHu09FoW/FcuXghA+ueItyzYkys/334UpPNZ285jlCYPH/6QFy746mzr9Bc9I9F gi2v3SjjzVZ9ftn+XxrMk7Dxc7dAXwfEUazw8JRA= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Spin per peer (#1982) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bfbb59fd6749_25043f92682d45bc31794c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 08:58:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bfbb59fd6749_25043f92682d45bc31794c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mikkelfj commented on this pull request. > - -When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero, -regardless of the values received from their peer. Addendums or revisions to +fraction of connections. + +The selection process SHOULD be designed such that +on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network paths. +The random choice SHOULD be dependent +on the source and destination addresses of the path, +so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or +disabled for repeated use of the same path. + +When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to +a constant value randomly chosen to be 0 or 1, +regardless of the values received from their peer. Alternatively, endpoints MAY +change this value when changing connection ID. Addendums or revisions to I don't like unspecified. Why not just set it to zero and apply the header protection mask bit that is otherwise not applied. This means AEAD sees it as 0, and middleboxes sees it as random. Setting it to anything else is not going to fool endpoints wrt. deactivated spinning. Using header protection mask also avoids PRNG issues in packet construction. Having to store extra PRNG state is just a burden and grows state. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1982#discussion_r236165561 ----==_mimepart_5bfbb59fd6749_25043f92682d45bc31794c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> -
-When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero,
-regardless of the values received from their peer. Addendums or revisions to
+fraction of connections.
+
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network paths.
+The random choice SHOULD be dependent
+on the source and destination addresses of the path,
+so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or
+disabled for repeated use of the same path.
+
+When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to
+a constant value randomly chosen to be 0 or 1,
+regardless of the values received from their peer.  Alternatively, endpoints MAY
+change this value when changing connection ID.  Addendums or revisions to

I don't like unspecified. Why not just set it to zero and apply the header protection mask bit that is otherwise not applied. This means AEAD sees it as 0, and middleboxes sees it as random. Setting it to anything else is not going to fool endpoints wrt. deactivated spinning. Using header protection mask also avoids PRNG issues in packet construction. Having to store extra PRNG state is just a burden and grows state.

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In OnPacketSent(), time_of_last_sent_retransmittable_packet is set to now, and then SetLossDetectionTimer() is called.

In SetLossDetectionTimer(), the early RTX timer is computed as timeout = loss_time - time_of_last_sent_retransmittable_packet, and loss_time can be smaller than now, which causes timeout to go negative.

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My answer would be yes, this will standout to people that have misunderstood the HTTP/3 spec. If its silently ignored, who knows what other placeholder interop will be broke.

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This won't give you full protection against injection attacks, but endpoints should at least be allowed to drop packets that are obviously not valid QUIC packets.

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@ekr commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> -
-When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero,
-regardless of the values received from their peer. Addendums or revisions to
+fraction of connections.
+
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network paths.
+The random choice SHOULD be dependent
+on the source and destination addresses of the path,
+so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or
+disabled for repeated use of the same path.
+
+When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to
+a constant value randomly chosen to be 0 or 1,
+regardless of the values received from their peer.  Alternatively, endpoints MAY
+change this value when changing connection ID.  Addendums or revisions to

Correction:

this text is a PR, so it needs consensus to be added at all

That isn't the standard we've been holding to. That will begin soon, but not yet.

This was in response to Christian's claim that there was consensus to do 0/1.

As for the specific recommendation: I think that the concrete requirement is that the "spin/not" decision has to be made per-path, but the "how to not spin" decision is one best left to implementation discretion - other than perhaps recommending that the value does not leak any private information (about what is encrypted, or about what might happen on other paths for the same connection).

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@ekr commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> -
-When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero,
-regardless of the values received from their peer. Addendums or revisions to
+fraction of connections.
+
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network paths.
+The random choice SHOULD be dependent
+on the source and destination addresses of the path,
+so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or
+disabled for repeated use of the same path.
+
+When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to
+a constant value randomly chosen to be 0 or 1,
+regardless of the values received from their peer.  Alternatively, endpoints MAY
+change this value when changing connection ID.  Addendums or revisions to

I don't like unspecified. Why not just set it to zero and apply the header protection mask bit that is otherwise not applied. This means AEAD sees it as 0, and middleboxes sees it as random.

Assuming I understand this proposal, that means the peer would need to know if you were spinning or not, which is an anti-goal.

Setting it to anything else is not going to fool endpoints wrt. deactivated spinning. Using header protection mask also avoids PRNG issues in packet construction. Having to store extra PRNG state is just a burden and grows state.

Not by any significant amount compared to the existing buffers you need to store

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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> -
-When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero,
-regardless of the values received from their peer. Addendums or revisions to
+fraction of connections.
+
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network paths.
+The random choice SHOULD be dependent
+on the source and destination addresses of the path,
+so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or
+disabled for repeated use of the same path.
+
+When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to
+a constant value randomly chosen to be 0 or 1,
+regardless of the values received from their peer.  Alternatively, endpoints MAY
+change this value when changing connection ID.  Addendums or revisions to

Assuming I understand this proposal, that means the peer would need to know if you were spinning or not, which is an anti-goal.

You are right. So how to solve this. Random per packet is too obvious, fixed 0 or 1 (randomly) per connection/path also too obvious. It is at all possible to do this?

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I don't see what this is buying us. In order to generate a packet which = deprotects successfully but has bogus reserved bits, the attacker must know= the CID, which effectively means it must be on-path. Such an attacker can = easily generate a packet with correct reserved bits but bogus content (or a= n error). Can you please describe the scenario you are concerned about?

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= ----==_mimepart_5bfbf4f833d42_6b5d3f9f6b2d45c032246b-- From nobody Mon Nov 26 05:30:10 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81165130DD0 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 05:30:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HRxy1jekxp59 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 05:30:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0DE8012D4ED for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 05:30:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 05:30:06 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543239006; bh=EhqhHqYQu31lvTHPeeT6ZTHjfd1O1tgv5c9NmNd0VzE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=JZ6v0610PtAsk8u6Wmd/N+w58p3CMycq9lAIzeiNdsbwZjaNhCZ+si6jQK6julbYx lXfLegWTZil7PQ/lkROGPFZVQ6nAlFhsim09CA9y9x1zFrq8nBWaxj+rkBB8kay9XM SiaaTihreQFYIpW/1nsJTnrkXke6GrA1uVdnSqxg= From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Spin per peer (#1982) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bfbf55e5658f_5b843fc6c6ed45b41647d6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 13:30:08 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bfbf55e5658f_5b843fc6c6ed45b41647d6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ekr commented on this pull request. > - -When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero, -regardless of the values received from their peer. Addendums or revisions to +fraction of connections. + +The selection process SHOULD be designed such that +on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network paths. +The random choice SHOULD be dependent +on the source and destination addresses of the path, +so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or +disabled for repeated use of the same path. + +When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to +a constant value randomly chosen to be 0 or 1, +regardless of the values received from their peer. Alternatively, endpoints MAY +change this value when changing connection ID. Addendums or revisions to To do what? I'm not trying to make it impossible to determine whether an endpoint is spinning; I'm trying to avoid a constant 0 or 1 signal when we've elsewhere tried not to do that. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1982#discussion_r236253534 ----==_mimepart_5bfbf55e5658f_5b843fc6c6ed45b41647d6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@ekr commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> -
-When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero,
-regardless of the values received from their peer. Addendums or revisions to
+fraction of connections.
+
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network paths.
+The random choice SHOULD be dependent
+on the source and destination addresses of the path,
+so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or
+disabled for repeated use of the same path.
+
+When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to
+a constant value randomly chosen to be 0 or 1,
+regardless of the values received from their peer.  Alternatively, endpoints MAY
+change this value when changing connection ID.  Addendums or revisions to

To do what? I'm not trying to make it impossible to determine whether an endpoint is spinning; I'm trying to avoid a constant 0 or 1 signal when we've elsewhere tried not to do that.

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@mikkelfj commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> -
-When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero,
-regardless of the values received from their peer. Addendums or revisions to
+fraction of connections.
+
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network paths.
+The random choice SHOULD be dependent
+on the source and destination addresses of the path,
+so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or
+disabled for repeated use of the same path.
+
+When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to
+a constant value randomly chosen to be 0 or 1,
+regardless of the values received from their peer.  Alternatively, endpoints MAY
+change this value when changing connection ID.  Addendums or revisions to

To do what?
Leaking that the endpoint is not spinning

But if you don't care about the endpoint finding out, why try to hide it. Maybe masking the bit requires more coordination than worthwhile - I am not too keen on this either, but alternatives are not really a lot better. Setting random per packet before AEAD would make it random on wire and would not require endpoint coordination, but it is yet another thing to deal with in header protection (tracking PRNG state to set a bit per packet). Leaving it undefined and unmasked would make the pattern arbitrarily detectable by middleboxes - fingerprinting as @huitema says - this is bad.

I'm trying to avoid a constant 0 or 1 signal when we've elsewhere tried not to do that.

That is mostly on wire, no? TP values have lots of 0 signals by default.

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I don't see what this is buying us. In order to generate a packet whic= h deprotects successfully but has bogus reserved bits, the attacker must = know the CID, which effectively means it must be on-path

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= ----==_mimepart_5bfbfccb860e5_ed63fae598d45b8284625-- From nobody Mon Nov 26 06:54:07 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D1AA130F16 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 06:54:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.459 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.459 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZvxjGbG0lpWq for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 06:54:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D738130E8F for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 06:54:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 06:54:02 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543244042; bh=h0IyMm55O59gADutl2FaBFqbv4TMFWW46K+f1e80Zy4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=FBmbPzjMj4Ar9zCrUtsfwc6NzN3Ma9OpsTBHKWho/Hi1rhNRUuJiV2szeRzqrGUgd 2SpLrKlxhCQmj5l6aylmtG717bwEY/lHlWoBAzWghDrgBJePHIFKX9YwCTmL4xt814 3Mkhv8sfjus/LpTFQmmgM15piz0uarQWK/VQlt6U= From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] fix packet number decoding example (#2055) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bfc090a74cab_195a3facc2ed45b48027d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 14:54:05 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bfc090a74cab_195a3facc2ed45b48027d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I stumbled across this when I tried to build a unit test for my packet number decoding from the example. I translated the pseudo code from the appendix to Python to double check: https://repl.it/@marten_seemann/QUIC-Packet-Number-Decoding You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2055 -- Commit Summary -- * fix packet number decoding example -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (2) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2055.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2055.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2055 ----==_mimepart_5bfc090a74cab_195a3facc2ed45b48027d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I stumbled across this when I tried to build a unit test for my packet number decoding from the example.

I translated the pseudo code from the appendix to Python to double check: https://repl.it/@marten_seemann/QUIC-Packet-Number-Decoding

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2055

Commit Summary

  • fix packet number decoding example

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I don't see why it's any more valid here than after the connection is established. I would prefer to require consistent behavior.

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In the "Sending ACKs" section of the transport draft, it currently say= s:

"A sender SHOULD bundle ACK frames with other frames when possible."

There are cases when sending an ACK for every packet is the right thin= g to do, such as in response to a PING on an otherwise idle connection, s= o I don't think it's practical to say that you should not send one ACK pe= r retransmittable packet received in some cases.

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@janaiyengar i think #1974 depends on how we add early retransmit timer back to that current PR. I think we might need something like this as well

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
 A response MAY consist of multiple messages when and only when one or more
 informational responses (1xx, see {{!RFC7231}}, Section 6.2) precede a final
 response to the same request.  Non-final responses do not contain a payload body
 or trailers.
 
 An HTTP request/response exchange fully consumes a bidirectional QUIC stream.
-After sending a request, a client closes the stream for sending; after sending a
-final response, the server closes the stream for sending and the QUIC stream is
-fully closed.  Requests and responses are considered complete when the
-corresponding QUIC stream is closed in the appropriate direction.
+After sending a request, a client MUST close the stream for sending; after
+sending a final response, the server MUST close the stream for sending. At
+this point, the QUIC stream is fully closed.

Yeah, the original provoking issue was that he didn't FIN, the server didn't respond, and both are doing totally spec-compliant things. With this language, it's at least clarified that while the server SHOULD process that request on receipt, it isn't required to until the stream closes, so the client needs to close promptly.

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You're right that a MUST with no deadline is somewhat toothless, but I d= on't think it's SHOULD-level. (If we were to fully expand it, you MUST clo= se it eventually and SHOULD do so promptly.)

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I agree with @huitema that this needs to change the transport draft.

With this change, I don't believe there's a purpose to the server ACKing the client's initial, because the client's Initial is always 1 packet? If we make it illegal for the server to ACK the client's initial, we can remove the text I wrote to resolve the deadlock caused by the anti-amplification factor. #1764

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -660,7 +658,7 @@ HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME.
 The following settings are defined in HTTP/3:
 
   SETTINGS_NUM_PLACEHOLDERS (0x3):
-  : This value SHOULD be non-zero.  The default value is 16.
+  : This value SHOULD be non-zero.  The default value is 0.

Per the "only increase" principal, however, this has to start at zero and be increased to the real value, even though 16 is a more appropriate value. Are you suggesting more text to remind people?

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -1014,12 +1014,12 @@ represented as an 8-bit prefix string literal.
 QPACK defines two settings which are included in the HTTP/QUIC SETTINGS frame.
 
   SETTINGS_HEADER_TABLE_SIZE (0x1):
-  : An integer with a maximum value of 2^30 - 1.  The default value is 4,096
+  : An integer with a maximum value of 2^30 - 1.  The default value is zero
     bytes.  See {{table-dynamic}} for usage.

Units to be used in interpreting a setting need to be in the definition of the setting. The alternative, I suppose, would be to move the units to the section that defines how the integer is used, but I imagine someone looking to see what to put here would appreciate knowing whether to send 65.535 or 64.

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----==_mimepart_5bfc436cb393a_4e803f80174d45b49504a2-- From nobody Mon Nov 26 11:15:58 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01F4F130F59 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 11:15:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EmOs79jCrv9e for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 11:15:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8CBF7130E9E for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 11:15:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 11:15:54 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543259754; bh=GBlkR6dZVIj76ity00UuaiXn5pju1io4lMUIsQHSRvc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=s8C7Ov4n+yIEdSuW/a626W3XhvHOace6XFK6B6rjDURpqGYXvHvvW7He27iLAnyUu O+kHyajHuYFxTfTqj6zzeRyYFOdrrRFH/NuLMUtumfBd4nmoHtht6Xu84hcDMU+6rc c3Uoxer5f0BGHwRUURZ3/Cjy6o6PzvMlfVQd5y6I= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Discard Initial keys as soon as possible (#2045) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bfc466acc7a7_50663fa5e3ad45bc6044af"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 19:15:57 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bfc466acc7a7_50663fa5e3ad45bc6044af Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @ianswett the main problem with "no ACK" is that we will need special handling of retransmissions on the server. The server would need to trigger retransmission of Initial packets upon reception of a duplicate CH, and that's clearly some new ad hoc code. Also, what if the server does not like any of the key shares proposed in the Client Hello? Client sends CH1, server replies with HRR, client sends a modified CH2, server sends SH. If the client repeats CH1, the server should repeat HRR; if the client repeats CH2, the server needs to repeat the CH. I assume this could work if the client always coalesced an ACK with CH2, but this coalescing is optional, not mandated. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2045#issuecomment-441761641 ----==_mimepart_5bfc466acc7a7_50663fa5e3ad45bc6044af Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@ianswett the main problem with "no ACK" is that we will n= eed special handling of retransmissions on the server. The server would n= eed to trigger retransmission of Initial packets upon reception of a dupl= icate CH, and that's clearly some new ad hoc code.

Also, what if the server does not like any of the key shares proposed = in the Client Hello? Client sends CH1, server replies with HRR, client se= nds a modified CH2, server sends SH. If the client repeats CH1, the serve= r should repeat HRR; if the client repeats CH2, the server needs to repea= t the CH. I assume this could work if the client always coalesced an ACK = with CH2, but this coalescing is optional, not mandated.

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The server's retransmission of an Initial is based on a timer, not rec= eipt of the client's initial. The exception is if the server can't send = due to the anti-amplification attack limit.

Thanks for the reminder of HRR, handling that correctly would require = more complex implicit ACK logic than I had in mind.

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@LPardue, I think the key point here is in the text added to= the extensions section: "SETTINGS does not provide a mechanism to ident= ify when the choice takes effect."

There are really three types of extensions:

  • Advisory, purely-optional frames / streams: Send sp= eculatively; if the peer doesn't understand, they'll ignore them. Once y= ou see SETTINGS, if it's not supported, you can stop sending to save byte= s.
  • Non-optional semantic-changing frames / streams: Se= nd only once you've seen SETTINGS, but okay to use as soon as you see SET= TINGS -- you know the peer will handle them on receipt. Need to be willi= ng to handle "surprise" arrival of these frames / streams before SETTINGS= , unless they're frames on control streams.
  • Breaking changes to interpretation of existing frames/streams= : Here's the sticky one. There's no coordination point to know= when the change to existing elements takes effect, so the peer could int= erpret what you send under the old or new scheme unless the extension its= elf provides a way to identify this.

I think this really only harms the last category, and the easiest solu= tion seems to be jumping into the previous category for most extensions I= can envision. For example, redefining DATA to be a reference to a unidi= rectional stream instead of carrying payload would fall in the third buck= et and be hard. But if you instead defined a new EXTERNAL_DATA frame, yo= u've moved into the second bucket.

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@ianswett Timer-based repetition of initial packets is an = amplification: one packet in, N packets repeated until the server gives u= p. So it is complicated. Let's not try to specify ACK logic in this speci= fic PR. It really belongs in its own PR, and as you note there will be ma= ny details to get right.

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If (and it's a big if) implementations decided it was more efficient to run H3 on defaults without exchange of SETTINGS, we lose an effective mechanism. This was part of the reason behind adding greasing. In practice, I don't think this concern would play out but I wanted to identify it before the change landed On Mon, 26 Nov 2018, 19:33 Mike Bishop @LPardue , I think the key point here is in > the text added to the extensions section: "SETTINGS does not provide a > mechanism to identify when the choice takes effect." > > There are really three types of extensions: > > - *Advisory, purely-optional frames / streams:* Send speculatively; if > the peer doesn't understand, they'll ignore them. Once you see SETTING= S, if > it's not supported, you can stop sending to save bytes. > - *Non-optional semantic-changing frames / streams:* Send only once > you've seen SETTINGS, but okay to use as soon as you see SETTINGS -- y= ou > know the peer will handle them on receipt. Need to be willing to handle > "surprise" arrival of these frames / streams before SETTINGS, unless > they're frames on control streams. > - *Breaking changes to interpretation of existing frames/streams:* > Here's the sticky one. There's no coordination point to know when the > change to existing elements takes effect, so the peer could interpret = what > you send under the old or new scheme unless the extension itself provi= des a > way to identify this. > > I think this really only harms the last category, and the easiest solution > seems to be jumping into the previous category for most extensions I can > envision. For example, redefining DATA to be a reference to a > unidirectional stream instead of carrying payload would fall in the third > bucket and be hard. But if you instead defined a new EXTERNAL_DATA frame, > you've moved into the second bucket. > > =E2=80=94 > You are receiving this because you were mentioned. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > , > or mute the thread > > . > --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2038#issuecomment-441774031= ----==_mimepart_5bfc4e61a6ba9_2a863f97d62d45bc4821d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's a great write up but it's higher level than I was thinking.<= br>
If (and it's a big if) implementations decided it was more efficient to= run
H3 on defaults without exchange of SETTINGS, we lose an effective
mechanism. This was part of the reason behind adding greasing. In practice,=
I don't think this concern would play out but I wanted to identify it before the change landed

On Mon, 26 Nov 2018, 19:33 Mike Bishop <notifications@github.com wrote:<= br>
> @LPardue <https://github.com/LPardue>, I think the key point her= e is in
> the text added to the extensions section: "SETTINGS does not prov= ide a
> mechanism to identify when the choice takes effect."
>
> There are really three types of extensions:
>
> - *Advisory, purely-optional frames / streams:* Send speculatively;= if
> the peer doesn't understand, they'll ignore them. Once you = see SETTINGS, if
> it's not supported, you can stop sending to save bytes.
> - *Non-optional semantic-changing frames / streams:* Send only once=
> you've seen SETTINGS, but okay to use as soon as you see SETTIN= GS -- you
> know the peer will handle them on receipt. Need to be willing to ha= ndle
> "surprise" arrival of these frames / streams before SETTI= NGS, unless
> they're frames on control streams.
> - *Breaking changes to interpretation of existing frames/streams:*<= br> > Here's the sticky one. There's no coordination point to kno= w when the
> change to existing elements takes effect, so the peer could interpr= et what
> you send under the old or new scheme unless the extension itself pr= ovides a
> way to identify this.
>
> I think this really only harms the last category, and the easiest solu= tion
> seems to be jumping into the previous category for most extensions I c= an
> envision. For example, redefining DATA to be a reference to a
> unidirectional stream instead of carrying payload would fall in the th= ird
> bucket and be hard. But if you instead defined a new EXTERNAL_DATA fra= me,
> you've moved into the second bucket.
>
> =E2=80=94
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Obviously I think we should. :-) If we think there's a place for both, then let's give both some airtime in the spec.

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You're still required to send/consume SETTINGS -- you're just allowed = to use a basic version of the protocol for the (hopefully very brief) per= iod where you haven't seen it yet. I'm dubious anyone would decide it's = better to send an empty SETTINGS frame and continue using the defaults fo= rever, certainly not to the point that extensibility withers. (And hopef= ully extensions will be compelling enough that they justify sending and l= ooking for a setting.)

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You need to trim trailing whitespace for the doc to build.

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@huitema I was trying to clarify that timer based repetition of the crypto data, including Initial, is already present in the recovery draft.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -780,9 +780,12 @@ connection ID in the client's first Initial packet (see {{initial-secrets}}).
 This provides protection against off-path attackers and robustness against QUIC
 version unaware middleboxes, but not against on-path attackers.
 
-All ciphersuites currently defined for TLS 1.3 - and therefore QUIC - have a
-16-byte authentication tag and produce an output 16 bytes larger than their
-input.
+QUIC can use any of the ciphersuites defined in {{!TLS13}} with the exception of
+TLS_AES_128_CCM_8_SHA256.  The AEAD for that ciphersuite, AEAD_AES_128_CCM_8
+{{?CCM=RFC6655}}, does not produce a large enough authentication tag for use
+with header protection ({{header-protect}}).  All other ciphersuites defined in
+{{!TLS13}} have a 16-byte authentication tag and produce an output 16 bytes
+larger than their input.

Yes, this does currently require that a PNE algorithm be defined for any new cipher to be used with QUIC v1.

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Fixes #2010.

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  • Prohibit clients from declaring placeholders

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Fixes #1847, but will conflict with #2038.

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  • Move NUM_PLACEHOLDERS out of the HTTP/2-used space

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It sounds like there's a blanket rule except for one special flower - = HTTP_CONNECT. So perhaps we should just call out the exception rather tha= n dancing around it, e.g.

"With the exception of requests that contain the CONNECT method, sende= rs use a FIN to indicate the end of an HTTP request or response. Absent = CONNECT, senders MUST NOT make the sending of FIN dependent on receipt of= a response from the peer.

Absent CONNECT, senders MUST NOT send additional data on the stream af= ter the request or response.

However, due to the possible presence of a CONNECT method, and the opp= ortunity to send HTTP_EARLY_DATA, servers SHOULD begin processing partial= HTTP messages once enough of the message has been received to make progr= ess. If a client stream terminates without enough of the HTTP message to= provide a complete response, the server SHOULD abort its response with t= he error code HTTP_INCOMPLETE_REQUEST."

This MUST strikes me as a testable condition.

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----==_mimepart_5bfc6e3db17e6_66793fbb7dad45bc7332bc-- From nobody Mon Nov 26 14:11:21 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B4FD131016 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 14:11:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qz4JeA7mnrh5 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 14:11:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3AF7130DDB for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 14:11:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 14:11:17 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543270277; bh=/LclnZuMsYbKmFrh/79wtOTZHdVqP1xRgkfRYAfxriw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=koo2UB/btDBy4OlWJ7j8m87u4EKdimgslvZKJxapB0+4tSWAefuZjki/aWM2507R6 UMGa3qegf5J7RCzTtFtqUxLK8eqOyyYsrsCI6//FebthzUqvtIppI+BnW+gaW3ADKL hUO1UuZ5BqpFndB6w9btl58ri0T6VMpEQeHciugA= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Interaction of FIN and message parsing (#2003) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bfc6f85edb38_3a463fb1c0ad45c4930c5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 22:11:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bfc6f85edb38_3a463fb1c0ad45c4930c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Formally, the data transferred on the TCP connection is the body of the HTTP request, so it's not a special flower in that sense. But it's special in that it's the only case where the server MUST process the headers before the end of the "message." The requirement that the client MUST NOT make FIN dependent on receiving anything would be a good wording improvement. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2003#issuecomment-441819089 ----==_mimepart_5bfc6f85edb38_3a463fb1c0ad45c4930c5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Formally, the data transferred on the TCP connection is the body of th= e HTTP request, so it's not a special flower in that sense. But it's spe= cial in that it's the only case where the server MUST process the headers= before the end of the "message."

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The document currently says just this about new settings:

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I think that you need to expand that to say that new extensions should i= nclude default values that assume minimal requirements on a endpoint, or so= mething along those lines.

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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> -
-When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero,
-regardless of the values received from their peer. Addendums or revisions to
+fraction of connections.
+
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network paths.
+The random choice SHOULD be dependent
+on the source and destination addresses of the path,
+so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or
+disabled for repeated use of the same path.
+
+When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to
+a constant value randomly chosen to be 0 or 1,
+regardless of the values received from their peer.  Alternatively, endpoints MAY
+change this value when changing connection ID.  Addendums or revisions to

Yes, this would be on the wire. We're talking about creating the impression that a particular value of the bit carries a particular meaning.

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In Section 7, it says:

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Ugh, I ran the calculations myself, but obviously messed up somewhere. The 2f value is clearly closer.

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----==_mimepart_5bfc8046b7a3d_21223feef42d45c4188478-- From nobody Mon Nov 26 15:25:47 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CA99131065 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 15:25:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id csK5-lMsxDcm for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 15:25:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E5025131058 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 15:25:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 15:25:43 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543274743; bh=5cpmMqyT9Ss6ci4A5MnLAQejiBDHz4gizAt9Z4zMCyI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Tbehl3ffH8koEMMBWL6PRIVdiGTbIJWxHd7hAsheO1EN7t7JbvOjBLsWqGlTS7ltq dVN2TXj49qnH2hR1D/1uzwqhbknLu3E8JUQiP265CTYd6KY/8AAXdCohqopuFp3EjP EdLX++gL9GmRohYZNvgi/RtilwD0pMaoklqmyW38= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] allow dropping of Initial packets with invalid reserved bits (#2053) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bfc80f72adaf_238e3fc6488d45c05963c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 23:25:45 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bfc80f72adaf_238e3fc6488d45c05963c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If this is the position we take, then we should apply the rules more broadly. Namely, allow an endpoint to drop any unauthenticated packet (Initial, VN, and Retry) that is invalid, provided that they haven't already committed changes to their state that cannot be reversed. Patching changes in piecemeal are problematic. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2053#issuecomment-441839303 ----==_mimepart_5bfc80f72adaf_238e3fc6488d45c05963c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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@huitema commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> -
-When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero,
-regardless of the values received from their peer. Addendums or revisions to
+fraction of connections.
+
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network paths.
+The random choice SHOULD be dependent
+on the source and destination addresses of the path,
+so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or
+disabled for repeated use of the same path.
+
+When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to
+a constant value randomly chosen to be 0 or 1,
+regardless of the values received from their peer.  Alternatively, endpoints MAY
+change this value when changing connection ID.  Addendums or revisions to

I am going to mark this conversation as resolved, since the most recent commits address EKR review.

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I agree that we should apply this more broadly, however I'd like to no= te that we're currently in no way consistent:

For example for VN:

A client MUST ignore a Version Negotiation packet that lists the clien= t=E2=80=99s chosen version.

Or for Retry:

Clients MUST discard Retry packets that contain an Original Destinatio= n Connection ID field that does not match the Destination Connection ID f= rom its Initial packet.

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with ESMTP id 5bfc9c24.7f686db55ab0-smtp-out-n02; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 01:21:40 -0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 17:21:39 -0800 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5bfc9c23d46b5_20c02b23ca6785909996@hookshot-fe-7191cb1.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 3dce06: Use DPLPMTUD rather than PLPMTUD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bfc9c23d3d5b_20c02b23ca6785909895"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 01:21:43 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bfc9c23d3d5b_20c02b23ca6785909895 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/uoaerg-uoa/dplpmtu Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 3dce06ee445b339f313f3a1c1c49b1cf5712a97e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3dce06ee445b339f313f3a1c1c49b1cf5712a97e Author: Tom Jones Date: 2018-11-05 (Mon, 05 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Use DPLPMTUD rather than PLPMTUD Commit: b1b485ca71bb8967513f96acba3ab35b057621a2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b1b485ca71bb8967513f96acba3ab35b057621a2 Author: tj Date: 2018-11-21 (Wed, 21 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Rewrite Packet Size section Rewrite Packet Size section to make it clearer and to consider ICMP handling and Datagram PLPMTUD. - Add normative reference to DPLPMTUD - Define MPS as the largest UDP Payload that can be sent right now - Discuss port numbers and connection ids as a method for verifying ICMP messages - Replace PLPMTUD considerations with DPLPMTUD considerations - Specify that probes can made from Packets carrying PING and PADDING frames Commit: 4193f7c1e3da1d368871590c88f21900a79319a5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4193f7c1e3da1d368871590c88f21900a79319a5 Author: tj Date: 2018-11-21 (Wed, 21 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' into uoa/dplpmtu Commit: 513358498dd51015057b4ed0c70ba7382c903df3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/513358498dd51015057b4ed0c70ba7382c903df3 Author: tj Date: 2018-11-21 (Wed, 21 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Clean up whitespace Commit: 562ae5566b0b707913b323eb874d8cc271f2ea15 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/562ae5566b0b707913b323eb874d8cc271f2ea15 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2018-11-21 (Wed, 21 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fix build breaks Commit: 0c88ff5d4e8d353f86b2cb767cee9008b8bd6f87 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0c88ff5d4e8d353f86b2cb767cee9008b8bd6f87 Author: Tom Jones Date: 2018-11-22 (Thu, 22 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Apply suggestions from code review Co-Authored-By: adventureloop Commit: 41c0a6d60ad43267efa3e10f5eb48485080a128c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/41c0a6d60ad43267efa3e10f5eb48485080a128c Author: Tom Jones Date: 2018-11-22 (Thu, 22 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Update based on review from @MikeBishop Commit: 812e811f195ee6578e8fe4b93017a64cf54268cd https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/812e811f195ee6578e8fe4b93017a64cf54268cd Author: Tom Jones Date: 2018-11-22 (Thu, 22 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add section reference Commit: e84ed484f0e9f852d5b9cbb8c8b8b78dddc59bba 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I think that this is in good shape, but I wanted to suggest a few tweaks: uoaerg#1

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Those aren't a fair comparison. The first might be, but the Retry thing is specifically a defense against off-path attack, something we agreed is important to defend against.

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You're right, I forgot about the special case of a 0-length destination connection ID (again)...

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Alright, how about this:

"Senders use a FIN to indicate the end of an HTTP request or response. A= bsent a CONNECT method in the request, senders MUST NOT make the sending of= FIN dependent on receipt of a response from the peer.

However, due to the possible presence of a CONNECT method, and the oppor= tunity to send HTTP_EARLY_DATA, servers SHOULD begin processing partial HTT= P messages once enough of the message has been received to make progress. I= f a client stream terminates without enough of the HTTP message to provide = a complete response, the server SHOULD abort its response with the error co= de HTTP_INCOMPLETE_REQUEST."

I'm open to making the server requirement a similar MUST -- "servers MUS= T NOT be dependent on a FIN to start processing..." if people think that wo= uld help avoid CONNECT deadlocks.

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= ----==_mimepart_5bfcb0e44cd77_35f43fb33bad45c05271a-- From nobody Mon Nov 26 18:53:40 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9D05130DF9 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 18:53:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fPmTa-xIx3F7 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 18:53:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C9200127B4C for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 18:53:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=E8XfYzcjCyfaEyrh3v12BBfH4fY=; b=JLa77ne2yBwu3fW8 TV4OLLfHUDvBYsW2Y0q+T4DkKsnpTcrSDlN/BqIkRgu7oh9dl7N11BYeb2sMOBa7 gJFby3Sj+a3Cmj47ggcrsl61v78H1FAj3hUMjID0CnBmwGssTRFmyMdLQ/31zncE +4Y8zyL4ulN8/1C8CJ/+t8q5luc= Received: by filter1468p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1468p1mdw1-25951-5BFCB1B0-1 2018-11-27 02:53:36.031668877 +0000 UTC m=+962294.379312516 Received: from github-lowworker-0b1e58d.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.43]) by ismtpd0032p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id A69p6xSAT522AJZGGnDQdw for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 02:53:35.945 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-0b1e58d.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3F8E3E1193 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 18:53:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 02:53:36 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Interaction of FIN and message parsing (#2003) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bfcb1afe2248_14fb3ff83d6d45b414796ad"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2NpX8IIojDrpSzUjgOIHz77LmK9dNDJAW03x aTl0hMSD7KyKTM8n0M0LacqtDhpS+EnIM8smxZ6M8z87nxxERRUtSCZYQNVFIJ7wnc3HPPG4GvMoeJ WysV3lqd3JM2XGivHpeCGcTsisfvAmd2vhpMuHG7uH1IEd7Jv9xnoScF8ucYQ+HN03vOTeFEaMWLbs M= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 02:53:39 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bfcb1afe2248_14fb3ff83d6d45b414796ad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not seeing how early data (or HTTP_EARLY_DATA, whatever that is) has any bearing on this. I would drop the first particle from the second paragraph and concentrate on the recommendations: process when you can, use HTTP_INCOMPLETE_REQUEST if you need to. I don't think we need a MUST attached to the recommendations - if you don't follow the recommendations, then it's your loss. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2003#issuecomment-441879268 ----==_mimepart_5bfcb1afe2248_14fb3ff83d6d45b414796ad Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Not seeing how early data (or HTTP_EARLY_DATA, whatever that is) has any= bearing on this. I would drop the first particle from the second paragrap= h and concentrate on the recommendations: process when you can, use HTTP_IN= COMPLETE_REQUEST if you need to.

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or HTTP_EARLY_DATA, whatever that is

Argh, I meant HTTP_EARLY_RESPONSE.

As for the final wording, I am happy with whatever you guys decide.

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@igorlord : I don't think this is mistrust in the endpoint= . Negotiation of this feature means that both endpoints agree to a certa= in level of privacy from middleboxes, and one might argue that unilateral= use means that the end with the weakest level of privacy always wins.

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----==_mimepart_5bfcb67c6413e_57d63f939d0d45c41200976-- From nobody Mon Nov 26 19:18:14 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E67C8130DF9 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 19:18:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lQImmyzkAAbn for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 19:18:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E3A47127B4C for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 19:18:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 19:18:09 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543288689; bh=TAu2EcUGxjQBb4NXLkMoa/9jgVc8pbJMNpYy9rVW2bI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=zcdySsJ9SGl8084Tv/I2TT/jVc4b1mmyXQ9BcItBv0PCHFhA15hKME+ZSshLtIiTb 6CQTmHGd0FKdtU5gDOXVk3W//hYVuSttCFFsg5PMC14KNjPYOcDoATb4OFYsVJwO0W 1xfDMi9/mAwkUXfys0pcBzED/l6lGIE6eQ4f4qHA= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] TLS provides AEAD and KDF (#2046) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bfcb771af27f_223b3f844bed45b81222e8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 03:18:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bfcb771af27f_223b3f844bed45b81222e8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit janaiyengar approved this pull request. > @@ -710,14 +722,19 @@ based on the client's initial Destination Connection ID, as described in {{initial-secrets}}. The keys used for packet protection are computed from the TLS secrets using the -method described in Section 7.3 of {{!TLS13}}), with the labels "quic key" and -"quic iv" in place of the labels used by TLS (that is, "key" and "iv" -respectively). Using these labels provides key separation between QUIC and TLS, -see {{key-diversity}}. +KDF provided by TLS. In TLS 1.3, the HKDF-Expand-Label function described in +Section 7.1 of {{!TLS13}}) is used, using the hash function from the negotiated +cipher suite. Other versions of TLS MUST provide a similar function in order to +be used QUIC. + + The current encryption level secret and the label "quic key" are input to the ```suggestion The current encryption level secret and the label "quic key" are input to the ``` > @@ -753,9 +770,8 @@ thus ensuring that the keys are different for each version of QUIC. This prevents a middlebox that only recognizes one version of QUIC from seeing or modifying the contents of handshake packets from future versions. -The HKDF function defined in TLS 1.3 MUST be used even in case the minimum TLS -version that the endpoint is willing to use is greater, so as to assure that -the peer can decrypt the packet. +The HKDF-Expand-Label function defined in TLS 1.3 MUST be used for Initial Might be worth stating "For QUICv1 ..." -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2046#pullrequestreview-178595698 ----==_mimepart_5bfcb771af27f_223b3f844bed45b81222e8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -710,14 +722,19 @@ based on the client&=
#39;s initial Destination Connection ID, as described in
 {{initial-secrets}}.
 =

 The keys used for packet protection are computed from the TLS secrets us=
ing the
-method described in Section 7.3 of {{!TLS13}}), with the labels "qu=
ic key" and
-"quic iv" in place of the labels used by TLS (that is, "k=
ey" and "iv"
-respectively).  Using these labels provides key separation between QUIC =
and TLS,
-see {{key-diversity}}.
+KDF provided by TLS.  In TLS 1.3, the HKDF-Expand-Label function describ=
ed in
+Section 7.1 of {{!TLS13}}) is used, using the hash function from the neg=
otiated
+cipher suite.  Other versions of TLS MUST provide a similar function in =
order to
+be used QUIC.
+
+ The current encryption level secret and the label "quic key" =
are input to the
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
- The current encryption level secret and the =
label "quic key" are input to the
+The current encryption level secret and the label "quic key" are input t=
o the

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -753,9 +770,8 @@ thus ensuring that the=
 keys are different for each version of QUIC. This
 prevents a middlebox that only recognizes one version of QUIC from seein=
g or
 modifying the contents of handshake packets from future versions.
 =

-The HKDF function defined in TLS 1.3 MUST be used even in case the minim=
um TLS
-version that the endpoint is willing to use is greater, so as to assure =
that
-the peer can decrypt the packet.
+The HKDF-Expand-Label function defined in TLS 1.3 MUST be used for Initi=
al

Might be worth stating "For QUICv1 ..."

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -753,9 +770,8 @@ thus ensuring that the keys are different for each version of QUIC. This
 prevents a middlebox that only recognizes one version of QUIC from seeing or
 modifying the contents of handshake packets from future versions.
 
-The HKDF function defined in TLS 1.3 MUST be used even in case the minimum TLS
-version that the endpoint is willing to use is greater, so as to assure that
-the peer can decrypt the packet.
+The HKDF-Expand-Label function defined in TLS 1.3 MUST be used for Initial

Yeah, I considered that, but it's a long slide down that slope. I think that it's sufficiently strongly implied.

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Thank you for updating the reference to PLPMTUD.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+The IPv4 Router requirements {{!RFC1812} state that the quoted packet should

RFC 792 requires only 8 bytes of Transport header. While this quite old, it hasn't been formally obsoleted. I've always assumed endpoints needed to handle this case, although I don't have any data as to whether this still really happens in the internet. Hence the original text, which you've removed.

As a related data point, only about 4 years ago we saw ICMP messages where the MTU field was set to zero, which has been outdated for 25+ years. It's a wild world out there.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-The PADDING frame provides a useful option for PMTU probe packets. PADDING
-frames generate acknowledgements, but they need not be delivered reliably. As a
-result, the loss of PADDING frames in probe packets does not require
-delay-inducing retransmission. However, PADDING frames do consume congestion
-window, which may delay the transmission of subsequent application data.
+When implementing the algorithm in Section 5.3 of
+{{!DPLPMTUD}}, the initial value of BASE_PMTU SHOULD be consistent with the
+minimum QUIC packet size (1232 bytes for IPv6 and 1252 bytes for IPv4).

Isn't the BASE_PMTU simply 1280? Is that easier and clearer?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Section 7.3 of {{!PLPMTUD}} discusses trade-offs between small and large

This text was meant to indicate a point in Section 7.3 that does not apply to QUIC.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-The PADDING frame provides a useful option for PMTU probe packets. PADDING
-frames generate acknowledgements, but they need not be delivered reliably. As a
-result, the loss of PADDING frames in probe packets does not require
-delay-inducing retransmission. However, PADDING frames do consume congestion
-window, which may delay the transmission of subsequent application data.
+When implementing the algorithm in Section 5.3 of

It appears that the rest of this section simply repeats section 6.4 of the DPLPMTUD draft, which seems unnecessary, except the bit about ICMP processing.

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----==_mimepart_5bfcc1c388ef5_56a53f8660ad45b41293242-- From nobody Mon Nov 26 20:08:55 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D94C130E14 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 20:08:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LqBqF6tMa9K7 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 20:08:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D4D49127333 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 20:08:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 20:08:52 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543291732; bh=h7FvUlgOfI7/qlC0wNpggx9BakQZvWT/lfrgWQam2ok=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=q0Iu1hYq5dnuAq70WltjIpBLKiYWaSsjHRvwfQvMrvokQMaIOE08a2TXsAWHXVq7G fxQ44QDcRp/8W2CTQF4Br+SIQFP2UI5jjQvQsntgm7Kij1yPoVMscbsPgic1jmPqNU m1PlpSGclCPnFS1Efzim3Wy0tKFNY8UCjTvkJJAk= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] SetLossDetectionTime negative timeout (#2052) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bfcc354efb3_60823fc2a9ed45bc889520"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 04:08:54 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bfcc354efb3_60823fc2a9ed45bc889520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This could use some clarifying, but that shouldn't happen. loss_time is set to 0 if loss_time is smaller than now, see DetectLostPackets() which sets loss_time. Specifically, ``` if (time_since_sent > delay_until_lost || delta > reordering_threshold): sent_packets.remove(unacked.packet_number) if (unacked.retransmittable): lost_packets.insert(unacked) else if (loss_time == 0 && delay_until_lost != infinite): loss_time = now() + delay_until_lost - time_since_sent ``` Since loss_time is *not set* when time_since_sent > delay_until_lost, it remains set to 0. This means an ER timer does not need to be set (and is not set in SetLossDetectionTimer(), which is exactly what you want, since setting a timer only makes sense if the event is in the future. In this case, loss_time was before now(), and so, the loss event happens now, causing OnPacketsLost() to be called at the end of DetectLostPackets(). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2052#issuecomment-441899285 ----==_mimepart_5bfcc354efb3_60823fc2a9ed45bc889520 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This could use some clarifying, but that shouldn't happen. loss_time i= s set to 0 if loss_time is smaller than now, see DetectLostPackets() whic= h sets loss_time. Specifically,

    if (time_since_sent > delay_until_lost ||
        delta > reordering_threshold):
      sent_packets.remove(unacked.packet_number)
      if (unacked.retransmittable):
        lost_packets.insert(unacked)
    else if (loss_time =3D=3D 0 && delay_until_lost !=3D infinite=
):
      loss_time =3D now() + delay_until_lost - time_since_sent

Since loss_time is not set when time_since_sent > delay_un= til_lost, it remains set to 0. This means an ER timer does not need to be= set (and is not set in SetLossDetectionTimer(), which is exactly what yo= u want, since setting a timer only makes sense if the event is in the fut= ure. In this case, loss_time was before now(), and so, the loss event hap= pens now, causing OnPacketsLost() to be called at the end of DetectLostPa= ckets().

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3981,6 +3979,12 @@ A client MUST NOT include an original connection ID, a stateless reset token, or
 a preferred address.  A server MUST treat receipt of any of these transport
 parameters as a connection error of type TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR.
 
+max_connection_ids (0x000e):
+
+: The maximum number of connection IDs that the peer is willing to store.
+  This value includes only connection IDs sent in NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames.
+  If this parameter is absent, a default of 8 is assumed.

I we have default = 0, do we also need a "migration not supported" TP? It would seem that not setting a non null value would effectively prevent migration.

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Consider the case that loss_time is set in DetectLostPackets(), but by the time SetLossDetectionTimer() is called, now is larger than loss_time.

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----==_mimepart_5bfce592c6bda_13193ffcbcad45b4189049e-- From nobody Mon Nov 26 22:35:10 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA778130E6E for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 22:35:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.459 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.459 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9BOxLxRyrv2Q for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 22:35:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-12.smtp.github.com (out-12.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 375D6130E74 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 22:35:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 22:34:59 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543300499; bh=/HoA0KWA4nFnz9ywdoa4Lsd1sxT7rG8In7fLtj6LSXU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=aTR9h/0MTHGEHOEp4+bvGy1pxNMxwIf+WogNZd7UNYdIfUuLO/kvn2q9Rub7okRhJ 55YIbWTSWXhj2mxvNKZQa9D2eLJLk5o8hweVD37Jj/fHW/4fUavTbJvhA/a1vl8cNL Z/bXmsBpLU8/hqtzXkryJJPkVe6i/n0V6mdc6x0Y= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] OnPacketsLost for Nonretransmittable Packets (#2015) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bfce5935a00e_4a1f3fc08aed45c42689888"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 06:35:04 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bfce5935a00e_4a1f3fc08aed45c42689888 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #2015. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2015#event-1988686632 ----==_mimepart_5bfce5935a00e_4a1f3fc08aed45c42689888 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Follow-up to #2040. As @marten-seemann suggests, we might want to add text to the transport draft that enumerates what is reset: all state except for connection IDs, packet numbers and, optionally, an RTT measurement.

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----==_mimepart_5bfce71d64bbc_664b3f9f60ed45c47682a-- From nobody Mon Nov 26 22:53:44 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA77D130E78 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 22:53:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dOvP_fXrcem8 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 22:53:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC1CE130E6E for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 22:53:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 22:53:29 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543301609; bh=8MnQYcZkMnFtewsYWNXscLu1wBTli88T0oPI7AvbYWU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=jMDfcrTf72BR63V5vTXC4b5DNUxwTSkcwmkfqg+2nFIHLdNzkV2w/aFcIpKyHNKoK AZu+kh81/SKaVJseg31sVpf1qWZmbZu7H9cBZkPnpC7MfDdffHVLpA/E0nWGwS0Wdo CcNxcngV6IyfPP85oUXSxP5Yx0crIHCUFyPT1e28= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Prohibit clients from declaring placeholders (#2056) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bfce9e990bb6_f983fadd80d45c41111ab"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 06:53:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bfce9e990bb6_f983fadd80d45c41111ab Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Heh. I like that 0x01 is getting used now, but can't you use UNEXPECTED_FRAME for this? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2056#issuecomment-441948424 ----==_mimepart_5bfce9e990bb6_f983fadd80d45c41111ab Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Heh. I like that 0x01 is getting used now, but can't you use UNEXPECTED_FRAME for this?

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1028,7 +1028,9 @@ the prioritization the client had attempted to express.
 In HTTP/3, a number of placeholders are explicitly permitted by the server using
 the `SETTINGS_NUM_PLACEHOLDERS` setting. Because the server commits to maintain

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You're still required to send/consume SETTINGS -- you're just allowed = to use a basic version of the protocol for the (hopefully very brief) per= iod where you haven't seen it yet.

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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> @@ -239,14 +239,17 @@ fraction of connections.
 
 The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
 on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network paths.
-The random choice SHOULD be dependent
-on the source and destination addresses of the path,
-so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or
-disabled for repeated use of the same path.
+The selection process SHOULD be externally unpredictable but consistent for
+any given combination of source and destination address/port. For instance,
+the implementation might have a static key which it uses to key a pseudorandom
+function over these values and use the output to determine whether to
+send the spin bit. The selection process performed at the beginning
+of the connection SHOULD be applied for all paths used by the connection.

It's unclear if "selection process" means that different paths can have different spin as long as the PRNG is done the same way, or the connection should reuse the result of the first selection.

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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> @@ -244,11 +244,8 @@ on the source and destination addresses of the path,
 so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or
 disabled for repeated use of the same path.

Sorry to re-open this conversation but the spin should really be set to zero and not random per packet or anything like that because this makes it harder to impossible to detect valid spinning signals in the network and may render the valid spin signal useless for aggreates.

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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> @@ -244,11 +244,8 @@ on the source and destination addresses of the path,
 so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or
 disabled for repeated use of the same path.

I thought the agreement was that it SHOULD be set to a fixed value, but that value should vary by connection? Or at least that was my understanding. I don't think a MUST is enforceable, but a SHOULD seems appropriate.

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To clarify, this is a case when alarms wake up late, since ideally if this was negative, the alarm should have executed, correct?

I think the easiest fix that fits with how most alarms work is to allow negative values and say they mean execute ASAP.

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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> @@ -244,11 +244,8 @@ on the source and destination addresses of the path,
 so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or
 disabled for repeated use of the same path.

Correction for my side: it doesn't need to be zero but set to a fixed value. However the text saying this got removed.

This is not enforcable but as a good citizian you should not try to disturb the spin signal provided by other flow and therefore I would even go for a MUST.

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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> @@ -244,11 +244,8 @@ on the source and destination addresses of the path,
 so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or
 disabled for repeated use of the same path.

I thought removing that text was intentional, per the discussion above. If we wanted to change the outcome of that discussion, then I could maybe see a SHOULD, but based on that conversation I can't see it being a MUST.

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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> @@ -244,11 +244,8 @@ on the source and destination addresses of the path,
 so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or
 disabled for repeated use of the same path.

Sorry, I was on holidays and couldn't comment on the discussion above, that why I reopen this conversation. Also Brian is on parental leave, so he was also not able to comment. What I'm saying is that text should not have been removed. We can have more discussion about SHOULD and MUST.

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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> @@ -239,14 +239,17 @@ fraction of connections.
 
 The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
 on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network paths.
-The random choice SHOULD be dependent
-on the source and destination addresses of the path,
-so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or
-disabled for repeated use of the same path.
+The selection process SHOULD be externally unpredictable but consistent for
+any given combination of source and destination address/port. For instance,
+the implementation might have a static key which it uses to key a pseudorandom
+function over these values and use the output to determine whether to
+send the spin bit. The selection process performed at the beginning
+of the connection SHOULD be applied for all paths used by the connection.

The question is what to do when a connection migrates to multiple path. There are two options: make a global decision to spin or not for the duration of the connection; or, make an independent decision to spin or not for each path. The text here intend to say, make a global decision.

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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> @@ -244,11 +244,8 @@ on the source and destination addresses of the path,
 so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or
 disabled for repeated use of the same path.

I assume that this comment applies to the next paragraph, "When the spin bit is disabled..."

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Nice PR, some small suggestions. > @@ -2998,17 +2998,15 @@ The QUIC packet size includes the QUIC header and integrity check, but not the UDP or IP header. Clients MUST ensure that the first Initial packet they send is sent in a UDP nit: how about: "Clients MUST ensure they send the first Initial packet in a UDP datagram that is at least 1200 bytes." > @@ -3023,83 +3021,108 @@ The server MUST also limit the number of bytes it sends before validating the address of the client, see {{address-validation}}. -## Path Maximum Transmission Unit +## Path Maximum Transmission Unit (PMTU) + +The PMTU is the maximum size of the entire IP packet including the IP header, +UDP header, and UDP payload. The UDP payload includes the QUIC packet header, +protected payload, and any authentication fields. This can depend upon the ```suggestion protected payload, and any authentication fields. The PMTU can depend upon the ``` > @@ -3023,83 +3021,108 @@ The server MUST also limit the number of bytes it sends before validating the address of the client, see {{address-validation}}. -## Path Maximum Transmission Unit +## Path Maximum Transmission Unit (PMTU) + +The PMTU is the maximum size of the entire IP packet including the IP header, +UDP header, and UDP payload. The UDP payload includes the QUIC packet header, +protected payload, and any authentication fields. This can depend upon the +current path characteristics. Therefore, the current largest UDP payload an +implementation will send is referred to as QUIC maximum packet size. ```suggestion implementation will send is referred to as the QUIC maximum packet size. ``` > If a QUIC endpoint determines that the PMTU between any pair of local and remote -IP addresses has fallen below 1280 bytes, it MUST immediately cease sending QUIC -packets on the affected path. This could result in termination of the -connection if an alternative path cannot be found. +IP addresses has fallen below the size needed to support the smallest allowed +maximum packet size, it MUST immediately cease sending QUIC packets on the +affected path. This could result in termination of the connection if an This recommendation results in a timeout in cases where it may be possible to immediately close the connection if no other paths are available. I think it'd be preferable to close the connection, or say it MAY close the connection? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2036#pullrequestreview-178877642 ----==_mimepart_5bfd735953324_40333fdc27ad45c4138651 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@ianswett approved this pull request.

Nice PR, some small suggestions.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2998,17 +2998,15 @@ The QUIC packet size=
 includes the QUIC header and integrity check, but not the
 UDP or IP header.
=20
 Clients MUST ensure that the first Initial packet they send is sent in a U=
DP

nit: how about:
"Clients MUST ensure they send the first Initial packet in a UDP datagram t= hat is at least 1200 bytes."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3023,83 +3021,108 @@ The server MUST als=
o limit the number of bytes it sends before validating the
 address of the client, see {{address-validation}}.
=20
=20
-## Path Maximum Transmission Unit
+## Path Maximum Transmission Unit (PMTU)
+
+The PMTU is the maximum size of the entire IP packet including the IP head=
er,
+UDP header, and UDP payload.  The UDP payload includes the QUIC packet hea=
der,
+protected payload, and any authentication fields. This can depend upon the
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-protected payload, and any authentication field=
s. This can depend upon the
+protected payload, and any authentication fields. The PMTU can depend upon=
 the

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3023,83 +3021,108 @@ The server MUST als=
o limit the number of bytes it sends before validating the
 address of the client, see {{address-validation}}.
=20
=20
-## Path Maximum Transmission Unit
+## Path Maximum Transmission Unit (PMTU)
+
+The PMTU is the maximum size of the entire IP packet including the IP head=
er,
+UDP header, and UDP payload.  The UDP payload includes the QUIC packet hea=
der,
+protected payload, and any authentication fields. This can depend upon the
+current path characteristics.  Therefore, the current largest UDP payload =
an
+implementation will send is referred to as QUIC maximum packet size.
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change 
-implementation will send is referred to as QUIC=
 maximum packet size.
+implementation will send is referred to as the QUIC maximum packet size.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>=20=20
 If a QUIC endpoint determines that the PMTU between any pair of local and =
remote
-IP addresses has fallen below 1280 bytes, it MUST immediately cease sendin=
g QUIC
-packets on the affected path.  This could result in termination of the
-connection if an alternative path cannot be found.
+IP addresses has fallen below the size needed to support the smallest allo=
wed
+maximum packet size, it MUST immediately cease sending QUIC packets on the
+affected path.  This could result in termination of the connection if an

This recommendation results in a timeout in cases where it may be possib= le to immediately close the connection if no other paths are available. I t= hink it'd be preferable to close the connection, or say it MAY close the co= nnection?

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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> @@ -244,11 +244,8 @@ on the source and des=
tination addresses of the path,
 so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or
 disabled for repeated use of the same path.
 =

@huitema I think so, yeah.
@mirjak Of course, I'm not saying that we shouldn't keep discuss= ing, I just didn't want to copy/paste everything from above, so I referre= d back to that. =F0=9F= =98=83

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For instance, +the implementation might have a static key which it uses to key a pseudorandom +function over these values and use the output to determine whether to +send the spin bit. The selection process performed at the beginning +of the connection SHOULD be applied for all paths used by the connection. + +Note that where multiple connections use the same path, +the use of the spin bit MAY be coordinated by endpoints, +recognizing that this might not be possible in many cases. + +When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints MAY set the spin bit to any value, +and MUST accept any incoming value. This text reflects feedback from @ekr. There are two opinions there: 1) Many people, for example @mirjak, want to make it easy for observers to find which connections are spinning, so they can easily draw statistics from these connections. If you follow that logic, then you will say that when not spinning, the bit should be set to a constant value. 2) @ekr is concerned with middlebox behavior if we make it easy for observers to recognize whether a connection is spinning or not. His preference would be to specify nothing, or if we specify something specify that when not spinning the bit should be set to a random value. Personally, I don't care very much. I believe that it is not very hard for a middle box to distinguish random from spinning -- average flip every 2 packets for random, every W packets for spinning. If observers can distinguish random behavior from spinning, then both arguments above become somewhat moot. The other side of this argument is "ossification", the risk of embedding of hardwired knowledge about bits in the middle boxes. From that point of view, "random" or "say nothing" are preferable, because they make it easier to ship a new meaning later. As I said, I have no strong preference. 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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> +
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network paths.
+The selection process SHOULD be externally unpredictable but consistent for
+any given combination of source and destination address/port. For instance,
+the implementation might have a static key which it uses to key a pseudorandom
+function over these values and use the output to determine whether to
+send the spin bit. The selection process performed at the beginning
+of the connection SHOULD be applied for all paths used by the connection.
+
+Note that where multiple connections use the same path,
+the use of the spin bit MAY be coordinated by endpoints,
+recognizing that this might not be possible in many cases.
+
+When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints MAY set the spin bit to any value,
+and MUST accept any incoming value.

This text reflects feedback from @ekr. There are two opinions there:

  1. Many people, for example @mirjak, want to make it easy for observers to find which connections are spinning, so they can easily draw statistics from these connections. If you follow that logic, then you will say that when not spinning, the bit should be set to a constant value.

  2. @ekr is concerned with middlebox behavior if we make it easy for observers to recognize whether a connection is spinning or not. His preference would be to specify nothing, or if we specify something specify that when not spinning the bit should be set to a random value.

Personally, I don't care very much. I believe that it is not very hard for a middle box to distinguish random from spinning -- average flip every 2 packets for random, every W packets for spinning. If observers can distinguish random behavior from spinning, then both arguments above become somewhat moot.

The other side of this argument is "ossification", the risk of embedding of hardwired knowledge about bits in the middle boxes. From that point of view, "random" or "say nothing" are preferable, because they make it easier to ship a new meaning later.

As I said, I have no strong preference. But I wanted to make sure that @ekr's point was properly aired, and that whatever we put in the document reflects consensus.

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For instance, +the implementation might have a static key which it uses to key a pseudorandom +function over these values and use the output to determine whether to +send the spin bit. The selection process performed at the beginning +of the connection SHOULD be applied for all paths used by the connection. + +Note that where multiple connections use the same path, +the use of the spin bit MAY be coordinated by endpoints, +recognizing that this might not be possible in many cases. + +When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints MAY set the spin bit to any value, +and MUST accept any incoming value. Thanks for the summary. My experience with ossification is that as long as it's not fixed across all connections, the likelihood of ossification is much lower. But past experiences may not predict the future. The 'QUIC bit' will likely be helpful as a single thing middleboxes can latch onto, possibly preventing more nefarious ossification. I think leaving it completely unspecified has a cost. Namely that I think either setting it randomly or setting a fixed value are safe, and other approaches could inadvertently leak information. Previously I was concerned that setting it randomly could leak information, but people tell me that's not a real concern. So if we're going to leave it flexible, I think we should add a SHOULD that if you're not going to spin, you should either randomize or pick a fixed value. Martin made some clever suggestions previously that I was immediately able to infer loss and reordering from, so I think other options are prone to information leakage. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1982#discussion_r236759398 ----==_mimepart_5bfd79863ef57_41223fc0d32d45b4297613 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> +
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network paths.
+The selection process SHOULD be externally unpredictable but consistent for
+any given combination of source and destination address/port. For instance,
+the implementation might have a static key which it uses to key a pseudorandom
+function over these values and use the output to determine whether to
+send the spin bit. The selection process performed at the beginning
+of the connection SHOULD be applied for all paths used by the connection.
+
+Note that where multiple connections use the same path,
+the use of the spin bit MAY be coordinated by endpoints,
+recognizing that this might not be possible in many cases.
+
+When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints MAY set the spin bit to any value,
+and MUST accept any incoming value.

Thanks for the summary.

My experience with ossification is that as long as it's not fixed across all connections, the likelihood of ossification is much lower. But past experiences may not predict the future. The 'QUIC bit' will likely be helpful as a single thing middleboxes can latch onto, possibly preventing more nefarious ossification.

I think leaving it completely unspecified has a cost. Namely that I think either setting it randomly or setting a fixed value are safe, and other approaches could inadvertently leak information. Previously I was concerned that setting it randomly could leak information, but people tell me that's not a real concern. So if we're going to leave it flexible, I think we should add a SHOULD that if you're not going to spin, you should either randomize or pick a fixed value. Martin made some clever suggestions previously that I was immediately able to infer loss and reordering from, so I think other options are prone to information leakage.

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@huitema commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> +
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network paths.
+The selection process SHOULD be externally unpredictable but consistent for
+any given combination of source and destination address/port. For instance,
+the implementation might have a static key which it uses to key a pseudorandom
+function over these values and use the output to determine whether to
+send the spin bit. The selection process performed at the beginning
+of the connection SHOULD be applied for all paths used by the connection.
+
+Note that where multiple connections use the same path,
+the use of the spin bit MAY be coordinated by endpoints,
+recognizing that this might not be possible in many cases.
+
+When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints MAY set the spin bit to any value,
+and MUST accept any incoming value.

So the proposed text would be:

When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints MAY set the spin bit to any value,
and MUST accept any incoming value. It is RECOMMENDED that they
set the spin bit to a random value either chosen independently for each packet,
or chosen independently for each path and kept constant for that path.
They MUST accept any incoming value.

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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> +
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network paths.
+The selection process SHOULD be externally unpredictable but consistent for
+any given combination of source and destination address/port. For instance,
+the implementation might have a static key which it uses to key a pseudorandom
+function over these values and use the output to determine whether to
+send the spin bit. The selection process performed at the beginning
+of the connection SHOULD be applied for all paths used by the connection.
+
+Note that where multiple connections use the same path,
+the use of the spin bit MAY be coordinated by endpoints,
+recognizing that this might not be possible in many cases.
+
+When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints MAY set the spin bit to any value,
+and MUST accept any incoming value.

That works for me.

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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> +
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network paths.
+The selection process SHOULD be externally unpredictable but consistent for
+any given combination of source and destination address/port. For instance,
+the implementation might have a static key which it uses to key a pseudorandom
+function over these values and use the output to determine whether to
+send the spin bit. The selection process performed at the beginning
+of the connection SHOULD be applied for all paths used by the connection.
+
+Note that where multiple connections use the same path,
+the use of the spin bit MAY be coordinated by endpoints,
+recognizing that this might not be possible in many cases.
+
+When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints MAY set the spin bit to any value,
+and MUST accept any incoming value.

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@huitema commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> +
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network paths.
+The selection process SHOULD be externally unpredictable but consistent for
+any given combination of source and destination address/port. For instance,
+the implementation might have a static key which it uses to key a pseudorandom
+function over these values and use the output to determine whether to
+send the spin bit. The selection process performed at the beginning
+of the connection SHOULD be applied for all paths used by the connection.
+
+Note that where multiple connections use the same path,
+the use of the spin bit MAY be coordinated by endpoints,
+recognizing that this might not be possible in many cases.
+
+When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints MAY set the spin bit to any value,
+and MUST accept any incoming value.

@mikkelfj a.k.a. bikeshedding.

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@erickinnear commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> +
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network paths.
+The selection process SHOULD be externally unpredictable but consistent for
+any given combination of source and destination address/port. For instance,
+the implementation might have a static key which it uses to key a pseudorandom
+function over these values and use the output to determine whether to
+send the spin bit. The selection process performed at the beginning
+of the connection SHOULD be applied for all paths used by the connection.
+
+Note that where multiple connections use the same path,
+the use of the spin bit MAY be coordinated by endpoints,
+recognizing that this might not be possible in many cases.
+
+When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints MAY set the spin bit to any value,
+and MUST accept any incoming value.

That proposed text works for me. Thanks for the great summary above too, @huitema.

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@mikkelfj commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> +
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network paths.
+The selection process SHOULD be externally unpredictable but consistent for
+any given combination of source and destination address/port. For instance,
+the implementation might have a static key which it uses to key a pseudorandom
+function over these values and use the output to determine whether to
+send the spin bit. The selection process performed at the beginning
+of the connection SHOULD be applied for all paths used by the connection.
+
+Note that where multiple connections use the same path,
+the use of the spin bit MAY be coordinated by endpoints,
+recognizing that this might not be possible in many cases.
+
+When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints MAY set the spin bit to any value,
+and MUST accept any incoming value.

If we use two bits for non-spin, we can also have a superposition of the two most recently spinning packets.

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----==_mimepart_5bfd7f4bc71e2_2f983ff17bad45c4195794-- From nobody Tue Nov 27 10:42:32 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5BBE1286E7 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 10:42:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VxHY2m96XIKC for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 10:42:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48545127133 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 10:42:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 10:42:27 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543344147; bh=XTKuVu1e7vNqUHO4lHfFNOaVmxYxfq9uG1a2gVtdHqA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ILqorXmow72Wm56F3mjUHP+7kkVswZXgQDEGEsRyjyPUIk3mP5/AwNY+Fz6+uuK1i o+Jc6EHrKy0xesXsltt8kZE0unIu5dcsb77py7y1XCST7AZCXr+m4YzkLDukSXiCm2 6Rbs1NkrmMnoGCcnjBBkvAzYhinbgtcNHlhlaXBc= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] introduce a max_connection_ids transport parameter (#1998) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bfd901332279_438a3f89848d45bc1876a1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 18:42:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bfd901332279_438a3f89848d45bc1876a1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MikeBishop commented on this pull request. > @@ -3981,6 +3979,12 @@ A client MUST NOT include an original connection ID, a stateless reset token, or a preferred address. A server MUST treat receipt of any of these transport parameters as a connection error of type TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR. +max_connection_ids (0x000e): + +: The maximum number of connection IDs that the peer is willing to store. + This value includes only connection IDs sent in NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames. + If this parameter is absent, a default of 8 is assumed. It would, but you can support CID rotation *without* supporting migration, so the reverse isn't true. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1998#discussion_r236795616 ----==_mimepart_5bfd901332279_438a3f89848d45bc1876a1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3981,6 +3979,12 @@ A client MUST NOT include an original connection ID, a stateless reset token, or
 a preferred address.  A server MUST treat receipt of any of these transport
 parameters as a connection error of type TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR.
 
+max_connection_ids (0x000e):
+
+: The maximum number of connection IDs that the peer is willing to store.
+  This value includes only connection IDs sent in NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames.
+  If this parameter is absent, a default of 8 is assumed.

It would, but you can support CID rotation without supporting migration, so the reverse isn't true.

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It's a setting, not a frame. We could expand the scope of that error code, if folks think that's preferable.

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Commit: 120cfaae6e2be8b68b50d374327775b6cf288184 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/120cfaae6e2be8b68b50d374327775b6cf288184 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-21 (Wed, 21 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Be clearer Commit: 3d2a951a08f9c01ccfd04e5971579738b4b534c8 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3d2a951a08f9c01ccfd04e5971579738b4b534c8 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-21 (Wed, 21 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Pad rather than shift the header protection offset This simplifies a little, so it's a net win in my view. Closes #1575. Commit: c9056ccaa8579b80489946ec7e2d8870a8e7d5e6 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c9056ccaa8579b80489946ec7e2d8870a8e7d5e6 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-21 (Wed, 21 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Servers can't migrate. Period. Commit: 03d7c78ae5a0e99410d7ba202afeadfc5a30bfdf https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/03d7c78ae5a0e99410d7ba202afeadfc5a30bfdf Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-21 (Wed, 21 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fix stateless reset to match Commit: 141dfaffe92679acde9c3b8d8d37ad2ade300e8f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/141dfaffe92679acde9c3b8d8d37ad2ade300e8f Author: Dmitri Tikhonov Date: 2018-11-21 (Wed, 21 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fix typo: doubled word Commit: 6fbca3cfcf23b38d71b5041249f77ba3a711190c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6fbca3cfcf23b38d71b5041249f77ba3a711190c Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2018-11-21 (Wed, 21 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Alternate patch Commit: 046b4f30a974c70e4e51de2603ea66a66c25cd53 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/046b4f30a974c70e4e51de2603ea66a66c25cd53 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-11-21 (Wed, 21 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2008 from quicwg/expand Expands CID size text just a bit Commit: 078737d1ebf1abc1ce0fa565607e06131eead3a3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/078737d1ebf1abc1ce0fa565607e06131eead3a3 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-11-21 (Wed, 21 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2031 from quicwg/client-no-migrate Servers can't migrate. Period. Commit: ea9f1bcc4a90d680addce23ed42fd01cc05abb0e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ea9f1bcc4a90d680addce23ed42fd01cc05abb0e Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-22 (Thu, 22 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2037 from dtikhonov/201811211019-fix-double-an Fix typo: doubled word Commit: 162d1373f167eea6f85f2ab94af54d89caca0957 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/162d1373f167eea6f85f2ab94af54d89caca0957 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-11-22 (Thu, 22 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Hyphens an other such things Co-Authored-By: martinthomson Commit: 0d714e1e4f059558c54995e435e55f1326c99654 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0d714e1e4f059558c54995e435e55f1326c99654 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-22 (Thu, 22 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- 182 bits Commit: d790fb9a47600477ed6df4a175fb81372a275928 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d790fb9a47600477ed6df4a175fb81372a275928 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-22 (Thu, 22 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2030 from quicwg/fixed-pne-offset Pad rather than shift the header protection offset Commit: 9e47a68efb16151d5be7d6d1aff5a1c3c5419548 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9e47a68efb16151d5be7d6d1aff5a1c3c5419548 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2018-11-21 (Wed, 21 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- more text Commit: 3463998eb1f06cce89debc6c6d98b2f646b596b7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3463998eb1f06cce89debc6c6d98b2f646b596b7 Author: Julian Reschke Date: 2018-11-22 (Thu, 22 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- transport: fix broken references to -recovery Commit: 87f0e87b0aced955ef2406e4ba9bce59ece54538 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/87f0e87b0aced955ef2406e4ba9bce59ece54538 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-23 (Fri, 23 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2043 from reschke/patch-22 transport: fix broken references to -recovery Commit: 2f56810f597fbf12a3aa04cf296a713ab47880a2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2f56810f597fbf12a3aa04cf296a713ab47880a2 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-23 (Fri, 23 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- It's just TLS For the most part, we don't need to identify TLS 1.3 specifically. TLS on its own is often sufficient. This avoids creating the impression that we don't support TLS 1.4. I hope that TLS 1.4 will be compatible with QUIC, but we'll leave that determination for later. Commit: 433903d323d12aaf142b6053ca0139c54ff76d26 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/433903d323d12aaf142b6053ca0139c54ff76d26 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-23 (Fri, 23 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- TLS provides AEAD and KDF Phrase this not as having TLS providing a cipher suite, but as TLS providing functions for protection and key derivation. Closes #2034. Commit: 8a7812a3b90a39064bb70c8683e62648ff9cdb51 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8a7812a3b90a39064bb70c8683e62648ff9cdb51 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-26 (Mon, 26 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- s/non-existent/not yet created/ This is the only relevant condition. Closes #2048. Commit: 8529d06bbe155c7839e9a16d8aff34cdbf2866e3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8529d06bbe155c7839e9a16d8aff34cdbf2866e3 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-26 (Mon, 26 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Just these header protection schemes, not more generally Commit: 533557b3de17098dc198cadaf1ca308f8657e436 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/533557b3de17098dc198cadaf1ca308f8657e436 Author: Marten Seemann Date: 2018-11-26 (Mon, 26 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- fix Retry packet type Commit: c2c36ce9f38b2e1e05d56e008f3d23a57145c773 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c2c36ce9f38b2e1e05d56e008f3d23a57145c773 Author: Marten Seemann Date: 2018-11-26 (Mon, 26 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- fix packet number decoding example Commit: 55a96245089ecc80ac28e6e0357e4c298238650c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/55a96245089ecc80ac28e6e0357e4c298238650c Author: Junho Choi <1229714+junhochoi@users.noreply.github.com> Date: 2018-11-26 (Mon, 26 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Early Retransit -> Early Retransmit (#2051) Commit: f2ec2fa043b0872c53118fd6aa4c3772eb1a836d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f2ec2fa043b0872c53118fd6aa4c3772eb1a836d Author: Lucas Pardue Date: 2018-11-26 (Mon, 26 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md Log Message: ----------- QPACK: update language to use HTTP/3 Commit: b1711b8153b37a5a8c00ef6806306fe9a7580b68 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b1711b8153b37a5a8c00ef6806306fe9a7580b68 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-27 (Tue, 27 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2055 from marten-seemann/fix-pn-decoding-example fix packet number decoding example Commit: 3504656d4a5662df7e3e2a6a13946d252d419092 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3504656d4a5662df7e3e2a6a13946d252d419092 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-27 (Tue, 27 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2050 from quicwg/not-open-yet s/non-existent/not yet created/ Commit: 5eb7ccc10459655f912a714a6534768919af6820 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5eb7ccc10459655f912a714a6534768919af6820 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-27 (Tue, 27 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2044 from quicwg/or-later It's just TLS Commit: 92f844e5e1e67a5dbb6ca4330e67a5599a2ff3b3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/92f844e5e1e67a5dbb6ca4330e67a5599a2ff3b3 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-27 (Tue, 27 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2029 from quicwg/not-ccm8 Don't allow use of AEAD_AES_128_CCM_8 Commit: 4352da6e7164eb7e1c78e7fa6f1569305900b6ea https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4352da6e7164eb7e1c78e7fa6f1569305900b6ea Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-27 (Tue, 27 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2054 from marten-seemann/fix-retry-packet-type fix Retry packet type Commit: f8ffa650d569c50201eac30f7e25863234e0a625 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f8ffa650d569c50201eac30f7e25863234e0a625 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-11-27 (Tue, 27 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Remove extra space Co-Authored-By: martinthomson Commit: 564ae47d30aa3e53bd090fac99b237a6844485b4 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/564ae47d30aa3e53bd090fac99b237a6844485b4 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-27 (Tue, 27 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2046 from quicwg/secret-aead-kdf TLS provides AEAD and KDF Commit: 5264f8931f08d3ed4f4d9191a13bf9fd28418efa https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5264f8931f08d3ed4f4d9191a13bf9fd28418efa Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-11-26 (Mon, 26 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2040 from quicwg/timers Reset connection state on retry and VN Commit: 017943f732917eac419be77e14018252e78b2640 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/017943f732917eac419be77e14018252e78b2640 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2018-11-27 (Tue, 27 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Move NUM_PLACEHOLDERS out of the HTTP/2-used space Commit: ac977008fb719355e72a67698d40a4db2c539102 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ac977008fb719355e72a67698d40a4db2c539102 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2018-11-27 (Tue, 27 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M 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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -1014,12 +1014,12 @@ represented as an 8-bit prefix string literal.
 QPACK defines two settings which are included in the HTTP/QUIC SETTINGS frame.
 
   SETTINGS_HEADER_TABLE_SIZE (0x1):
-  : An integer with a maximum value of 2^30 - 1.  The default value is 4,096
+  : An integer with a maximum value of 2^30 - 1.  The default value is zero
     bytes.  See {{table-dynamic}} for usage.

Also, it appears that @martinthomson's change to replace octets with bytes last month was global, so that text doesn't match the current editor's copy of QPACK.

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Can you resolve the conflicts? Probably the whole section moved.

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@huitema, can you make the edit based on your comment?

@britram, I know you are on leave, so we're inclined to merg= e this change so that this doesn't rot. If you happen to think this is a= terrible idea, we'll apologize and fix it later.

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Merged #2036 into master.

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Thanks for this! It's a large change, but well-written and a big improvement.

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From Recovery draft,
"An unacknowledged packet is marked as lost when an acknowledgment is received for a packet that was sent a threshold number of packets (kReorderingThreshold) and/or a threshold amount of time after the unacknowledged packet."

Lets say sender sends packet# 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 and kReorderingThreshold = 3. The sender receives ACK for packet# 5. Will that trigger FR? Does this mean that FR will be triggered by a "single ACK"?

TCP causes FR only after receiving 3-Dup ACKs or corresponding SACK. The mechanism described in QUIC recovery draft is a major deviation from TCP.

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@kazuho commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
 A response MAY consist of multiple messages when and only when one or more
 informational responses (1xx, see {{!RFC7231}}, Section 6.2) precede a final
 response to the same request.  Non-final responses do not contain a payload body
 or trailers.
 
 An HTTP request/response exchange fully consumes a bidirectional QUIC stream.
-After sending a request, a client closes the stream for sending; after sending a
-final response, the server closes the stream for sending and the QUIC stream is
-fully closed.  Requests and responses are considered complete when the
-corresponding QUIC stream is closed in the appropriate direction.
+After sending a request, a client MUST close the stream for sending; clients
+MUST NOT make stream closure dependent on receiving a response to their request,
+unless using the CONNECT method (see {{the-connect-method}}). After sending a

This sentence is confusing to me, because it is unclear what "unless" applies to.

How about changing the sentence to: Unless using the CONNECT method (see {{the-connect-method}}), a client MUST close the stream for sending after sending a request. Clients MUST NOT make stream closure dependent on receiving a response to the request.

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----==_mimepart_5bfdef5c76243_631e3fd35fad45b8218417-- From nobody Tue Nov 27 17:32:37 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 402D5130DEF for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 17:32:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2S7ow3HmuySr for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 17:32:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C61141277CC for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 17:32:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 17:32:32 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543368752; bh=w/R9EMcutCugxDp+Ur71GRfkjvHnvplmyM3ULifWp/M=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=MrJ0AODaUroUvuEY/RUZKYLQeXdFYJJtvaYdkq4iKKNWqhb28uQ/lSQMPqJxtBk/R wyc22bOsDzxDAo6FYuP3bzd5CsrgtxEr3k1CUwf+iH8bU8xVCCTsvik4aI08m5TCON hEoNbWB2yz1uNUyF8qsn5o08lCOSiBdmH9Ggx9Vg= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] minimum payload size requirement creates awkward special case (#2049) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bfdf030cf42c_2c953fb76c0d45b81234f5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 01:32:35 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bfdf030cf42c_2c953fb76c0d45b81234f5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @mikkelfj As I stated in https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2049#issuecomment-441427122, there are other approaches that you can consider. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2049#issuecomment-442284241 ----==_mimepart_5bfdf030cf42c_2c953fb76c0d45b81234f5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@mikkelfj As I stated in
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For somebody unfamiliar with congestion control, it helps if the pseudo-code in the specification was designed to always return a non-negative timeout, because then, you could check the value to see if you have implemented it correctly.

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This behavior is documented in: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7414#section-8 and I believe is widely implemented.

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I don't think it is a major deviation from TCP. The spirit of the FR m= echanism in TCP is to FR when it sees 3 packets out of order which a rece= iver can only do via SACKs or duplicate cumulative acks. Since QUIC does = not have cumulative ACKs, the notion of DUP acks would not make sense, so= an ACK for a packet which is 3 packets out of order would imply that 2 p= ackets before it were lost. It's cleaner and easier to implement.

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Thanks for the update Martin, I'd like to look at this PR more, but this is a clear improvement.

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----==_mimepart_5bfdfb92cae90_3d4e3fb9a22d45c414609e-- From nobody Tue Nov 27 18:21:57 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C6BF130E91 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 18:21:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JL75oqFgyRRy for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 18:21:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2311C130E27 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 18:21:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 18:21:52 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543371712; bh=rArZc/mppPyNI/xj5u2IW6Rg2Z13jVYyoko2n48X4dY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=m7Q0P0VCyUi4GPchcfAGjO24xGWoODk+fUoqV2toNS8V3ZHvND3pExff83EN51rvs /mQ4fyIq65tT5E3BGvN2XtgboJq7eF10NKtzeKFNBtJnKuEvlSi73oMBJHmPAuwgmd 0FAVysR7P0imK5fM6ijLaRslq89Sdt2PxLgzGWSk= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] SetLossDetectionTime negative timeout (#2052) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bfdfbc01fe0f_2daf3fb9a22d45c4103338"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 02:21:55 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bfdfbc01fe0f_2daf3fb9a22d45c4103338 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think that Kazuho is right. `timeout = max(timeout, 0)` isn't that hard to add to the algorithm. An unchecked underflow on an unsigned integer would be an unfortunate outcome. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2052#issuecomment-442293982 ----==_mimepart_5bfdfbc01fe0f_2daf3fb9a22d45c4103338 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think that Kazuho is right. timeout = max(timeout, 0) isn't that hard to add to the algorithm. An unchecked underflow on an unsigned integer would be an unfortunate outcome.

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@martinduke approved this pull request.

I like @kazuho's working slightly better, but aside from that, ship it!

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----==_mimepart_5bfe0b08a6a21_29ff3f81e26d45b86542a1-- From nobody Tue Nov 27 20:36:29 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4582512F1A2 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 20:36:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ICWFjp9ORKTW for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 20:36:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D6B8912875B for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 20:36:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 20:36:26 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543379786; bh=MeOgLy3leLgCU5x83NcK/tNwIzsf4f0CwUKbe99uCeM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=hZ4izTzE6V/O+fjK3lPqbztWsGF+pvAifeCF/NoCWX25Ka+0aVEPF67F28Zf8cOqw irjM/nbuuoTiYI8CwYnJIh3RFlh6T2ZFV/lzD5NtyW8qo8HLkSUyFC8Ttc4FSHKbkf T1wLKpHyjZ4+QwwtQiDynuXg2ru6iVN3Ec6QPvCQ= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] compensation of ack_delay is fragile against errors (#2060) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bfe1b4a1cc2f_46f3f919d2d45c412458c1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 04:36:29 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bfe1b4a1cc2f_46f3f919d2d45c412458c1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The logic in UpdateRtt function that compensatets for ack_delay is as follows. ``` // Adjust for ack delay if it's plausible. if (latest_rtt - min_rtt > ack_delay): latest_rtt -= ack_delay ``` The issue here is the delay is compensated at all if `ack_delay` is a bit greater than the true value due to measurement errors, etc. If this happens on a congested network where ACKs get lost, `latest_rtt` ends up in an incredibly high value. IMO this should be `latest_rtt = max(latest_rtt - ack_delay, min_rtt)`. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2060 ----==_mimepart_5bfe1b4a1cc2f_46f3f919d2d45c412458c1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The logic in UpdateRtt function that compensatets for ack_delay is as follows.

    // Adjust for ack delay if it's plausible.
    if (latest_rtt - min_rtt > ack_delay):
      latest_rtt -= ack_delay

The issue here is the delay is compensated at all if ack_delay is a bit greater than the true value due to measurement errors, etc. If this happens on a congested network where ACKs get lost, latest_rtt ends up in an incredibly high value.

IMO this should be latest_rtt = max(latest_rtt - ack_delay, min_rtt).

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Is there any change required to the specification here?

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Thanks Ian.
@martinthomson,
I think a reference to FACK paper (Forward Acknowledgement: Refining TCP Congestion Control) in the Fast Recovery section of the draft would be helpful.

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----==_mimepart_5bfe322534c_1eb63fc4ad8d45bc2063734-- From nobody Tue Nov 27 22:36:24 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE49F130E3C for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 22:36:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nC0sAa7FHMqB for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 22:36:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 94E3D129533 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 22:36:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 22:36:21 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543386981; bh=y9Eqjd4G73/PkY58Xll7Mg3UutaEH3SLdaOTKtLzjQ0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=TRvWBo8nMNJG5agdv3gadw/XcVXS3QO1Mn61NyuM3FbHT3nYxK8d/Ljhqhi/en+tP ePK4lfy88qzt/cT+A0stC0MhmI9eQ/w6gQWw8/M8aaa5nRWVdp5LMFA//A2h9wJgeP TBsGgpNjT4x9Tp4cCeZ24M+Hq/c1K8bYyAMxvAwo= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Client port for new connections (#2061) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bfe376575b61_111c3f8c14ed45c4336fb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 06:36:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bfe376575b61_111c3f8c14ed45c4336fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To minimize load on NATs, especially cone NATs, it might be a good idea to recommend using the same {IP + client port} on outgoing connections. An added value is that it makes any 2/4-tuple based side-channels less leaky. Clients should not use the same port when using a new IP, to avoid correlation when migrating connections. On a related note, none of the drafts talk about use of UDP ports on the client side. The -http draft talks about use of ports on the server side, but there's no mention of client side ports. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2061 ----==_mimepart_5bfe376575b61_111c3f8c14ed45c4336fb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

To minimize load on NATs, especially cone NATs, it might be a good idea to recommend using the same {IP + client port} on outgoing connections. An added value is that it makes any 2/4-tuple based side-channels less leaky.

Clients should not use the same port when using a new IP, to avoid correlation when migrating connections.

On a related note, none of the drafts talk about use of UDP ports on the client side. The -http draft talks about use of ports on the server side, but there's no mention of client side ports.

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This will also prevent you from using 0 byte connection IDs. 4 byte will be sufficient though, which might be good enough.

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To clarify, this is a case when alarms wake up late, since ideally if = this was negative, the alarm should have executed, correct?

I could well be missing something, but my understanding that the case = can happen with accurate alarms.

Consider the case when an endpoints view of packets are as follows:
PN sent_at acked? notes
1 0 Y sent normally
2 100 N sent normally
3 300 N sent due to RTO

At this point, the loss timer is set to 700 (i.e. 2 * min_rto_timeout = (200)).

Then, when the endpoint receives a packet containing an ACK for PN=3D2= at time 600, rto_count is reset to zero, because PN=3D2 is = newly acked. Then, the loss timer becomes 500, which is 100 earlier than = the current time.

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= ----==_mimepart_5bfe516a788bc_b883f912e2d45c01949ab-- From nobody Wed Nov 28 00:55:57 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D8D9130E52 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 00:55:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CJNpxu_L86LG for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 00:55:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C205B130E4F for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 00:55:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 00:55:53 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543395353; bh=C+STQ6jo7vPrQJ+VLh5Pb8SaIyqBswL7QbVWcl8gtC0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=T5euTFsqDNJg4W45iIfe3sPZnBjxrRYQf3a5fzLuPOpuX6cCQ6L5qgp3BgZ1SNpd0 9g+LlbUi5+z+zLprAwMx2iZdzQaCYkiD4tycqdXvhXa7tRGcmTR/Iuns/OUELrHmtH 7M/29E+aDwgjuzj7XQyRRzT9TVVMV4nTXUYSPHj4= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Client port for new connections (#2061) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bfe5819dc2e2_60753f97136d45b855574"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 08:55:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bfe5819dc2e2_60753f97136d45b855574 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are a whole bunch of trade-offs here that we need to be cognizant of. Using the same port could be a proxy for "same device" even in the presence of NAT, which is a nice linkability signal, where the NAT would otherwise create some uncertainty about that. For connections from the same host, same port indicates "same application". Using the same port also means that you need to use connection IDs, which is less efficient. We do already have advice about changing source port after a period (along with a new connection ID), which addresses the final point. Combining that with advice on reusing ports complicates things a little because you need to observe quiescent period across multiple connections (maybe, I don't know how this might look). All in, I think that it's probably best to let a system of best practices evolve around this rather than stipulate any specific behaviour. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2061#issuecomment-442369044 ----==_mimepart_5bfe5819dc2e2_60753f97136d45b855574 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

There are a whole bunch of trade-offs here that we need to be cognizan= t of. Using the same port could be a proxy for "same device" even in the= presence of NAT, which is a nice linkability signal, where the NAT would= otherwise create some uncertainty about that. For connections from the = same host, same port indicates "same application". Using the same port a= lso means that you need to use connection IDs, which is less efficient.

We do already have advice about changing source port after a period (a= long with a new connection ID), which addresses the final point. Combini= ng that with advice on reusing ports complicates things a little because = you need to observe quiescent period across multiple connections (maybe, = I don't know how this might look).

All in, I think that it's probably best to let a system of best practi= ces evolve around this rather than stipulate any specific behaviour.

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We basically have an open issue in the ops-draft (26) to figure out if want to say more. In any case I think it would belong in the applicability statement.

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----==_mimepart_5bfe68fc28473_110b3f8c14ed45c411746bc-- From nobody Wed Nov 28 02:24:00 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C784E130EA2 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 02:23:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l_fY_hLjiLQH for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 02:23:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 39183130E4F for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 02:23:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 02:23:56 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543400636; bh=D9yitX4xUCi5CWnbmyQzU7DJDmX2bxGinXv0VskwoIE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=lpDn7MmAylFy6CgS9jMzX5HeAsr7q3ptsJfjSaMN5RMR7tidQWFqMUmyzKY0CI8yS 3+ej1n0SFwGg73peNy8dXOUtIg94NgWfqaFyE2AyVvvWXyGeNtg3aOH0ilJzBR+R95 iDgZgr2TJ44bgjIeOhBZUx9MjijDRllUns+WD/1Q= From: mirjak Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Spin per peer (#1982) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bfe6cbc6816f_9493fc4962d45c0267df"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mirjak X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 10:24:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bfe6cbc6816f_9493fc4962d45c0267df Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mirjak commented on this pull request. > + +The selection process SHOULD be designed such that +on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network paths. +The selection process SHOULD be externally unpredictable but consistent for +any given combination of source and destination address/port. For instance, +the implementation might have a static key which it uses to key a pseudorandom +function over these values and use the output to determine whether to +send the spin bit. The selection process performed at the beginning +of the connection SHOULD be applied for all paths used by the connection. + +Note that where multiple connections use the same path, +the use of the spin bit MAY be coordinated by endpoints, +recognizing that this might not be possible in many cases. + +When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints MAY set the spin bit to any value, +and MUST accept any incoming value. Given that setting it random per packet or to a fixed value per path is both seen as acceptable and save, I strongly prefer to recommend the later. I dont' think that is it true that random values can be easily distringuished from valid signals because exactly those patterns in a valid signal where things look strange are often the interesting ones to detect problems, e.g. large amounts of re-odering. If you filter out random spinning connections and may also filter out exactly those cases you are most interesting of. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1982#discussion_r237022117 ----==_mimepart_5bfe6cbc6816f_9493fc4962d45c0267df Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@mirjak commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> +
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network paths.
+The selection process SHOULD be externally unpredictable but consistent for
+any given combination of source and destination address/port. For instance,
+the implementation might have a static key which it uses to key a pseudorandom
+function over these values and use the output to determine whether to
+send the spin bit. The selection process performed at the beginning
+of the connection SHOULD be applied for all paths used by the connection.
+
+Note that where multiple connections use the same path,
+the use of the spin bit MAY be coordinated by endpoints,
+recognizing that this might not be possible in many cases.
+
+When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints MAY set the spin bit to any value,
+and MUST accept any incoming value.

Given that setting it random per packet or to a fixed value per path is both seen as acceptable and save, I strongly prefer to recommend the later. I dont' think that is it true that random values can be easily distringuished from valid signals because exactly those patterns in a valid signal where things look strange are often the interesting ones to detect problems, e.g. large amounts of re-odering. If you filter out random spinning connections and may also filter out exactly those cases you are most interesting of.

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> +
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network paths.
+The selection process SHOULD be externally unpredictable but consistent for
+any given combination of source and destination address/port. For instance,
+the implementation might have a static key which it uses to key a pseudorandom
+function over these values and use the output to determine whether to
+send the spin bit. The selection process performed at the beginning
+of the connection SHOULD be applied for all paths used by the connection.
+
+Note that where multiple connections use the same path,
+the use of the spin bit MAY be coordinated by endpoints,
+recognizing that this might not be possible in many cases.
+
+When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints MAY set the spin bit to any value,
+and MUST accept any incoming value.

I understand that perspective, but I'm wondering if this is a detail that now needs to be brought ot the list to decide, since I think there are people who specifically want to randomize it? What do you think @martinthomson ?

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The one thing that may be worth adding text for is not adding linkabil= ity at the IP/port layer, but otherwise I'd rather wait for best practice= s to evolve as @martinthomson said.

Currently, the transport draft spends a lot of text and effort on ensu= ring connection IDs don't create linkability, but no text on ensuring the= routing layer(ie: IP and port) don't do the exact same thing. Possibly = that belongs in security considerations?

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Thanks, I think that's a good suggestion. Writing a PR now.

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Fixes #2060

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I read through the recent PR #2036 which cleans up the packet size discussion. The text does touch upon ICMP denial of service attacks but I'm afraid the protection is too fragile because it is required that transmission stops on a path where PMTU is suspected to have been decreased. It is not explicitly stated (as far as I can tell) that ICMP packet too big is used for this decision, but it is used in PMTU discovery.

There is no major problem with attacks on discovery, but if ICMP can later close a connection, that is a big problem.

There is protection against off path attackers, but it is easy for a man on the side attack to generate ICMP messages that would pass validation. This only requires one compromised machine on a LAN.

This issue also relates to the ongoing discussion on protection against the initial handshake by man on the side stopping handshake by generating invalid early handshake packets, only here it can happen long after the connection is established.

A possible mitigation could be that a path should not be dropped based in ICMP messages alone but only after one or two new new PMTU probes.

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----==_mimepart_5bfe7ab253109_65da3fb9996d45c43362e5-- From nobody Wed Nov 28 03:52:59 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D796130F78 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 03:52:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7C8nZfbP1ZSK for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 03:52:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 92FB012E7C1 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 03:52:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 03:52:53 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543405973; bh=aR5mHPC3yhifUMTDZ+FEjnqB/jecFCNxp41eUWQIhsw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=0oZbl5Sc9MM1wiQ5SmV5u5NM1bZDEKHLtb8Ca6uyLGmeZYGC+cwg4henTw9y67EZF Ybone3Dzt+2SK2LDFtLk4fjzrZVyDTLNO5SM2tRpsJx36YN1of8a6aKlK1Pq5b4uEU X8uK2ZzbjX5sWrT92UMm0dFyZ3OvGVJXjiY8mdiw= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Client port for new connections (#2061) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bfe819592482_54e23f8f402d45c4588886"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 11:52:57 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bfe819592482_54e23f8f402d45c4588886 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Agree with MT/Ian. On recommendation to not use same port when on a different IP, that probably makes sense in some common scenarios, but there are others where it would be a pain, especially when you do not use the Berkely socket interface for outbound UDP: In a docker cloud deployment you might hardcode the port in the application or environment and let the IP sort itself runtime. If for some reason the IP changes in the surrounding NAT layer, you don't want to deal with that. Nor do you generally want to deal with generating random ports. So I think it might be a good recommendation for migratory client use cases, but it should not be a general requirement. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2061#issuecomment-442420732 ----==_mimepart_5bfe819592482_54e23f8f402d45c4588886 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Agree with MT/Ian.

On recommendation to not use same port when on a different IP, that pr= obably makes sense in some common scenarios, but there are others where i= t would be a pain, especially when you do not use the Berkely socket inte= rface for outbound UDP: In a docker cloud deployment you might hardcode t= he port in the application or environment and let the IP sort itself runt= ime. If for some reason the IP changes in the surrounding NAT layer, you = don't want to deal with that. Nor do you generally want to deal with gene= rating random ports.

So I think it might be a good recommendation for migratory client use = cases, but it should not be a general requirement.

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Is the assumption of the current discussion that the connection ID is present/non-zero? I guess if no connection ID would be present a per-CID spin signal would look quite random from the network, no?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3592,6 +3594,21 @@ and will contain a CRYPTO frame with an offset matching the size of the CRYPTO
 frame sent in the first Initial packet.  Cryptographic handshake messages
 subsequent to the first do not need to fit within a single UDP datagram.
 
+
+### Abandoning Initial Packets {#discard-initial}
+
+A client stops both sending and accepting Initial packets when it sends its
+first Handshake packet.  A server stops sending and accepting Initial packets
+when it receives its first Handshake packet.  Though packets might still be in
+flight or awaiting acknowledgment, no further Initial packets need to be
+exchanged beyond this point.  Initial packet protection keys are discarded (see
+Section 4.10 of {{QUIC-TLS}}) along with any loss recovery and congestion
+control state (see Sections 5.3.1.2 and 6.9 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}).

Not my area, but I'm not sure implies the right thing to say that any congestion control state gets discarded here. The congestion controller doesn't care what encryption level things are at, it just cares about bytes.

Perhaps it would be worth being more concrete: "discarded(...), and all Initial packets are considered acknowledged for loss recovery and congestion control purposes (see...)." This would also make the following paragraph unnecessary.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
 A response MAY consist of multiple messages when and only when one or more
 informational responses (1xx, see {{!RFC7231}}, Section 6.2) precede a final
 response to the same request.  Non-final responses do not contain a payload body
 or trailers.
 
 An HTTP request/response exchange fully consumes a bidirectional QUIC stream.
-After sending a request, a client closes the stream for sending; after sending a
-final response, the server closes the stream for sending and the QUIC stream is
-fully closed.  Requests and responses are considered complete when the
-corresponding QUIC stream is closed in the appropriate direction.
+After sending a request, a client MUST close the stream for sending; clients
+MUST NOT make stream closure dependent on receiving a response to their request,
+unless using the CONNECT method (see {{the-connect-method}}). After sending a

And this highlights the confusion, because I meant the "unless" to be on the opposite clause. :-)

With the formulation we've already got, the entire CONNECT stream is one large HTTP request message, so it doesn't make sense to say you don't need to close a stream after the request in that case. However, stream closure most definitely depends on the response you get back to the headers of your CONNECT request.

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----==_mimepart_5bfede9ed5929_6253ffd24ed45c01155c1-- From nobody Wed Nov 28 11:47:05 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74842130E14 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 11:47:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.459 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.459 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EPLUEpsy0-3X for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 11:47:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F4C01277D2 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 11:47:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 11:46:59 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543434419; bh=eVjBLB/0jtWWttLiOS/y8muoSIxSr2Xa0iYCGjdvR9s=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ZhuuOM+uF0/oUwPvPuK0IudgS2hcS6ANa3Sc2rS0OROC4RekGLq4D3rc6iPlTNBQJ tdX1MOBk1aVG0PEd2umSOjxMf7mQU8DunT/UY8Y1DGM0XISd2bw+21bTL/w0uLmnpK uw4WzBKRk/rotJEwUgVm7NYUkAAn61/7HE+BexMs= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Amplification attack using retry tokens and spoofed addresses (#2064) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bfef0b365453_58983fd551ed45c070820"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 19:47:03 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bfef0b365453_58983fd551ed45c070820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We designed the Address Validation procedures to prevent QUIC servers from being used for UDP based DOS amplification attacks. By default, sending an Initial packet to a QUIC server results in up to 3 full size UDP packets sent back to the originating address, and perhaps several more if the server repeats packets on timeout. With address validation turned on, the server will only answer to Initial packets carrying a proof of origin, in the form of a "token". Once address is validated, servers are free to send many more than 3 packets in response to the Initial packets. I am concerned that the validation procedure can be bypassed with a replay attack. Let's imagine that an attacker manages to locate itself close enough to its target to be able to observe an Initial/Retry exchange between the source address and a remote server, and obtain a copy of the Retry packet. The attacker now has enough information to manufacture an Initial packet that will pass address validation at the server, if sent from the spoofed address of the target. The attacker could then pass that information to a botnet. A large number of bots can send spoofed packets to the server, resulting in a massive attack against the target. Whether the attack is plausible or not depends on how the server performs address validation. The current draft presents little guidance about that. If a server implementation simply verifies that the token was associated with the source address of the client, the botnet can run unimpeded. If the token also has some time to live, the attack will run unimpeded until that time. The attack will only be blocked if the server enforces that tokens are used only once, but the current draft does not require that. I looked at how to modify the Picoquic implementation and protect against this attack. The simplest defense that I found was to embed in the ticket the Connection ID of the server. The connection ID is provided to the client as part of the retry packet, so that change is easy. Tokens could also be provided in New Token frames and sent by clients in Initial packet; the server could extract the CID from the token, and chose that for the new connection. The "server CID defense" is not perfect, but it ensures that the botnet will only be able to create one connection at a time. If tokens have a limited time to live, the attack is effectively thwarted. I am not saying that all implementations should adopt the server CID defense. The goal is to prevent token reuse at the server, and there are certainly other ways to achieve that. I am just asking that we ask servers to prevent multiple reuses of the same token. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2064 -- Commit Summary -- * Merge pull request #8 from quicwg/master * Ask servers to limit use of tokens to only once -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (3) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2064.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2064.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2064 ----==_mimepart_5bfef0b365453_58983fd551ed45c070820 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

We designed the Address Validation procedures to prevent QUIC servers from being used for UDP based DOS amplification attacks. By default, sending an Initial packet to a QUIC server results in up to 3 full size UDP packets sent back to the originating address, and perhaps several more if the server repeats packets on timeout. With address validation turned on, the server will only answer to Initial packets carrying a proof of origin, in the form of a "token". Once address is validated, servers are free to send many more than 3 packets in response to the Initial packets. I am concerned that the validation procedure can be bypassed with a replay attack.

Let's imagine that an attacker manages to locate itself close enough to its target to be able to observe an Initial/Retry exchange between the source address and a remote server, and obtain a copy of the Retry packet. The attacker now has enough information to manufacture an Initial packet that will pass address validation at the server, if sent from the spoofed address of the target. The attacker could then pass that information to a botnet. A large number of bots can send spoofed packets to the server, resulting in a massive attack against the target.

Whether the attack is plausible or not depends on how the server performs address validation. The current draft presents little guidance about that. If a server implementation simply verifies that the token was associated with the source address of the client, the botnet can run unimpeded. If the token also has some time to live, the attack will run unimpeded until that time. The attack will only be blocked if the server enforces that tokens are used only once, but the current draft does not require that.

I looked at how to modify the Picoquic implementation and protect against this attack. The simplest defense that I found was to embed in the ticket the Connection ID of the server. The connection ID is provided to the client as part of the retry packet, so that change is easy. Tokens could also be provided in New Token frames and sent by clients in Initial packet; the server could extract the CID from the token, and chose that for the new connection. The "server CID defense" is not perfect, but it ensures that the botnet will only be able to create one connection at a time. If tokens have a limited time to live, the attack is effectively thwarted.

I am not saying that all implementations should adopt the server CID defense. The goal is to prevent token reuse at the server, and there are certainly other ways to achieve that. I am just asking that we ask servers to prevent multiple reuses of the same token.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2064

Commit Summary

  • Merge pull request #8 from quicwg/master
  • Ask servers to limit use of tokens to only once

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----==_mimepart_5bfef8fd739ee_44883fae2d6d45b43230f7-- From nobody Wed Nov 28 12:43:56 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4797A127B4C for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 12:43:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6X5wOcO1CCbM for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 12:43:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D436126DBF for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 12:43:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=xXNzWbKeEEFBU71S5k+WdF6Z82c=; b=uARQXYo/OHWdkr2Z /qlN9KglQtSm4/ViHNEfROuSAm+PlopTnUkKMfXMUg5dkTMf/mPzXFVrWOIx0OuA FDXTRUksuGXv0uUJb8x4iU9aAK/1rRa0+x/2+r21ka7rJhxkooB9TIcRBIIuDiwT Nuxvs2RMdI2V4lQPHlxCTtnY8Ds= Received: by filter1620p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1620p1mdw1-19755-5BFEFE04-14 2018-11-28 20:43:48.504291526 +0000 UTC m=+66808.144741190 Received: from github-lowworker-1c220e1.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.44]) by ismtpd0066p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id TOR5cT8QQO6o6ozLIFjT9g for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 20:43:48.467 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-1c220e1.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66FFF16129E for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 12:43:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 20:43:48 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Spin per peer (#1982) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bfefe046596e_62da3ff4efad45c021508f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2TxYsnnHIVRVx6KrhFp0CLcEOm9dlAQB0NRU PCjWI3t1vQ+k5GaqNJptdAKlKDrdw2f5urWJMkVOwy8GGADopF8gMKKSijLiSlhoKX9E4p3ga3Wswh RfSEqXD5b78JmuBfoQmWyJGSFd5knKFXU9QODTbG/V+0VZDz5USxu1qIoKc/qf2zdgeMfRpyijgPTB A= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 20:43:54 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bfefe046596e_62da3ff4efad45c021508f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > + +The selection process SHOULD be designed such that +on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network paths. +The selection process SHOULD be externally unpredictable but consistent for +any given combination of source and destination address/port. For instance, +the implementation might have a static key which it uses to key a pseudorandom +function over these values and use the output to determine whether to +send the spin bit. The selection process performed at the beginning +of the connection SHOULD be applied for all paths used by the connection. + +Note that where multiple connections use the same path, +the use of the spin bit MAY be coordinated by endpoints, +recognizing that this might not be possible in many cases. + +When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints MAY set the spin bit to any value, +and MUST accept any incoming value. i don't know if a must-level admonition will achieve consensus, but if the proposal is to recommend something, that's different what i've gotten from this discussion is that we don't have consensus on having a specific mandate. at least with the current text we are able to make forward progress. i'd suggest that anyone who has a desire to argue for something more specific, they should go to the list, and maybe open an issue. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> +
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network paths.
+The selection process SHOULD be externally unpredictable but consistent for
+any given combination of source and destination address/port. For instance,
+the implementation might have a static key which it uses to key a pseudorandom
+function over these values and use the output to determine whether to
+send the spin bit. The selection process performed at the beginning
+of the connection SHOULD be applied for all paths used by the connection.
+
+Note that where multiple connections use the same path,
+the use of the spin bit MAY be coordinated by endpoints,
+recognizing that this might not be possible in many cases.
+
+When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints MAY set the spin bit to any value,
+and MUST accept any incoming value.

i don't know if a must-level admonition will achieve consensus, but if the proposal is to recommend something, that's different

what i've gotten from this discussion is that we don't have consensus on having a specific mandate. at least with the current text we are able to make forward progress. i'd suggest that anyone who has a desire to argue for something more specific, they should go to the list, and maybe open an issue.

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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> @@ -239,14 +239,17 @@ fraction of connections.
 
 The selection process SHOULD be designed such that
 on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network paths.
-The random choice SHOULD be dependent
-on the source and destination addresses of the path,
-so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or
-disabled for repeated use of the same path.
+The selection process SHOULD be externally unpredictable but consistent for
+any given combination of source and destination address/port. For instance,
+the implementation might have a static key which it uses to key a pseudorandom
+function over these values and use the output to determine whether to
+send the spin bit. The selection process performed at the beginning
+of the connection SHOULD be applied for all paths used by the connection.

"1/8th of network paths" is unclear - how can an endpoint identify paths? I think what is meant is 1/8th of peers

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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> @@ -244,11 +244,8 @@ on the source and destination addresses of the path,
 so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or
 disabled for repeated use of the same path.

I don't have a strong opinion, but at least Marcus seemed to believe that a random signal can be filtered out just as easily as a fixed zero or one.

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= ----==_mimepart_5bff01f9f153_8353f9d464d45b8262378-- From nobody Wed Nov 28 13:01:30 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91516130E27 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 13:01:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AVOVMoofhmD8 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 13:01:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-12.smtp.github.com (out-12.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2BEAF1274D0 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 13:01:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 13:01:24 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543438884; bh=ECQyr54bGFr0Ndkeo87yclGxXGTuOfiTYeAbqhfh4yY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=RMa2HWi1qMa72s7KH7rqqQ+miHq8WQRjq9CCT7TXUrWp1weGOWEnNuhR4fzKaxLg8 E1+uGg8BiVK49+rEZs/o+0CH4/+6yYwRLUo0APGDtmKM/sqkI+SJV9xwot2/CwnMAv qZpJLrCJ8FkDxwk2eKeC0OgAXu+DQugfrw0LCQC8= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Amplification attack using retry tokens and spoofed addresses (#2064) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bff022499b5a_37023f825c0d45bc8618b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 21:01:29 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bff022499b5a_37023f825c0d45bc8618b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this is a good sentiment, but i feel like it is asking too much -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2064#issuecomment-442603028 ----==_mimepart_5bff022499b5a_37023f825c0d45bc8618b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

this is a good sentiment, but i feel like it is asking too much

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I am happy to negotiate. Instead of making a requirement on servers, w= e can document the attack in the security section. We should also explain= to clients that servers MAY enforce single use of the tokens, and that t= hus they REALLY SHOULD NOT try to reuse a token multiple times.

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yes, having no expectation that reuse is possible is fine, but the best i can think of for dos protection is a very short timer, which - for a sufficiently good amplification factor - might not be enough

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1637,6 +1637,9 @@ able to reuse a token.  To avoid attacks that exploit this property, a server
 can limit its use of tokens to only the information needed validate client
 addresses.
 
+Fraudulently obtained tokens could enable botnets to use servers as amplifiers
+in DDOS attacks. Servers SHOULD protect against such attacks by ensuring that
+tokens are used by clients only once.

I think this issue applies to non-fraudulently obtained tokens as well, but it's worse for the case you outlined in the description, since it's lower cost.

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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> @@ -244,11 +244,8 @@ on the source and destination addresses of the path,
 so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or
 disabled for repeated use of the same path.

Yes, it's not hard to filter out, if your the goal/use case is to only get valid samples. However if you are interested in e.g. detecting large amount of re-ordering which will cause invalid samples within a flow that otherwise provides a valid spin signal, that would be harder to detect because re-ordering will also look like random noise. Therefore I would like to see us recommening a constant value. Of course we cannot enforce this and still have to handle noise, however, if the noise is low enough, it should still be fine.

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----==_mimepart_5bff0a3151502_3ef33fbed7ad45b4898bd-- From nobody Wed Nov 28 13:37:13 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6DB613106D for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 13:37:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GU_gUgUbOmUf for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 13:37:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 864C4131069 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 13:37:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 13:37:01 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543441021; bh=yQXkEShUa5exO767o/m/ufnIxgC1ICl4f+VsJqpd2eE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=YcdlcStylv/5CGI6VaAeaf4XSs2XqR4mjRAYHniM3Nn+BmzT++y4ng2UdzlXJM6lG FKWjOVPqxe52bcVasnT3abxCdR9boCA7slrRFKS+MSTujcRTE61HVYnt9WoIdn5eu8 RkYCaph8yXR62Br7P4q3aaIx9oXoh1zpeHKmLKhQ= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] SetLossDetectionTime negative timeout (#2052) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bff0a7dac4a3_625a3f95618d45c465982"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 21:37:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bff0a7dac4a3_625a3f95618d45c465982 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinthomson if the timeout is unsigned, then max(0, timeout) doesn't help because timeout has already wrapped :( @kazuho Interesting example I've never considered. However, that doesn't cause an int underflow, just for the timer to be set in the past. I sent out a PR to avoid the int underflow, because it's easy to fix and I agree it's best to avoid negative values when possible. I'd rather not do anything to prevent timers being set in the past, because it can happen almost anywhere under some circumstances(ie: late alarms). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2052#issuecomment-442613732 ----==_mimepart_5bff0a7dac4a3_625a3f95618d45c465982 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@martinthomson if the timeout is unsigned, then max(0, t= imeout) doesn't help because timeout has already wrapped :(

@kazuho Interesting example I've never considered. However, th= at doesn't cause an int underflow, just for the timer to be set in the pa= st.

I sent out a PR to avoid the int underflow, because it's easy to fix a= nd I agree it's best to avoid negative values when possible.

I'd rather not do anything to prevent timers being set in the past, be= cause it can happen almost anywhere under some circumstances(ie: late ala= rms).

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -848,8 +848,8 @@ Pseudocode for SetLossDetectionTimer follows:
       return
     if (loss_time != 0):
       // Early retransmit timer or time loss detection.
-      timeout = loss_time -
-        time_of_last_sent_retransmittable_packet
+      loss_detection_timer.set(loss_time)
+      return
     else:

You don't need an else clause if you are going to exit. But this might set the timer to some time in the past if we're not careful with setting loss_time. I have a PR that might help inbound.

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The first is that it isn't clear what is being iterated over and in what order. I think that the point here is to iterate over sent_packets, starting with the oldest. Correct me if that is wrong. In any case, this change doesn't assume an iteration order. The only reason the iteration order is important is in setting loss_time, which needs to be the earliest time (assuming that I'm right). This simplifies the function, by setting thresholds at the top and doing a simple comparison. I've added a note about loss_time potentially being in the past. The problem that remains is that this appeared to iterate only over packets that have a packet number less than the largest acknowledged. I've added that condition to the loop, but I don't think that it's right. I think that it's just redundant - and while an implementation might stop its iteration at the largest acknowledged to save cycles, this function will operate the same without the extra check. 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The first is that it isn't clear what is being iterated over and in what order. I think that the point here is to iterate over sent_packets, starting with the oldest. Correct me if that is wrong. In any case, this change doesn't assume an iteration order. The only reason the iteration order is important is in setting loss_time, which needs to be the earliest time (assuming that I'm right). This simplifies the function, by setting thresholds at the top and doing a simple comparison. I've added a note about loss_time potentially being in the past. The problem that remains is that this appeared to iterate only over packets that have a packet number less than the largest acknowledged. I've added that condition to the loop, but I don't think that it's right. I think that it's just redundant - and while an implementation might stop its iteration at the largest acknowledged to save cycles, this function will operate the same without the extra check. It's also not clear whether the greater than comparisons here were correct. If you assume that firing of the timer cannot take zero time, this is never an issue, but with discrete intervals on time values, that's not always going to happen. As setup, this code could be called at exactly loss_time for a packet, in which case that packet will not be declared lost. I think that this wants >= in the time comparison for that reason. Finally, should the early retransmit timer be configurable? Should it be set based on kTimeReorderingThreshold? You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2066 -- Commit Summary -- * Refactor DetectLostPackets -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (35) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2066.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2066.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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This had a couple of problems that I think this addresses, and some that
it doesn't.

The first is that it isn't clear what is being iterated over and in what
order. I think that the point here is to iterate over sent_packets,
starting with the oldest. Correct me if that is wrong. In any case,
this change doesn't assume an iteration order. The only reason the
iteration order is important is in setting loss_time, which needs to be
the earliest time (assuming that I'm right).

This simplifies the function, by setting thresholds at the top and doing
a simple comparison.

I've added a note about loss_time potentially being in the past.

The problem that remains is that this appeared to iterate only over
packets that have a packet number less than the largest acknowledged.
I've added that condition to the loop, but I don't think that it's
right. I think that it's just redundant - and while an implementation
might stop its iteration at the largest acknowledged to save cycles,
this function will operate the same without the extra check.

It's also not clear whether the greater than comparisons here were
correct. If you assume that firing of the timer cannot take zero time,
this is never an issue, but with discrete intervals on time values,
that's not always going to happen. As setup, this code could be called
at exactly loss_time for a packet, in which case that packet will not be
declared lost. I think that this wants >= in the time comparison for
that reason.

Finally, should the early retransmit timer be configurable? Should it
be set based on kTimeReorderingThreshold?

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2066

Commit Summary

  • Refactor DetectLostPackets

File Changes

Patch Links:

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----==_mimepart_5bff3636815fe_66f53fb08b0d45b42261e2-- From nobody Wed Nov 28 16:49:33 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D28841310F2 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 16:49:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mXuDldJuxYWq for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 16:49:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2EA4B1310EF for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 16:49:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 16:49:29 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543452569; bh=ylK5TqZJjYaSdJLYaiQsHbvDTJhM/MRShah/4zQkt7A=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=iI/MBXHcC79lT6ZhRmw2EAgpR6TGoSUAz4HENV0Gr/q8Ur6VIqncI7R/daz2IuEoZ vTTCj1sINgSFRhbwDsiCqkaS+DfV+tt6Pn3JCOoQrleADEazdwH3eQVKlnd/sOgnqs 8JKYiiiqfEdBjHYtxgi0lndDM9kNt2s3xzye1g4w= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Spin per peer (#1982) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bff379968c7c_45ef3fc8e5ad45c4500115"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 00:49:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bff379968c7c_45ef3fc8e5ad45c4500115 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > @@ -244,11 +244,8 @@ on the source and destination addresses of the path, so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or disabled for repeated use of the same path. I see, your point is that it will be harder to distinguish between those who are spinning but encountering reordering and those who are just setting the value randomly. Doesn't that wash out with time? I mean, you need time to recover the spin signal anyway, so how much time do you need to discover that you are getting rubbish? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1982#discussion_r237318285 ----==_mimepart_5bff379968c7c_45ef3fc8e5ad45c4500115 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> @@ -244,11 +244,8 @@ on the source and destination addresses of the path,
 so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or
 disabled for repeated use of the same path.

I see, your point is that it will be harder to distinguish between those who are spinning but encountering reordering and those who are just setting the value randomly. Doesn't that wash out with time? I mean, you need time to recover the spin signal anyway, so how much time do you need to discover that you are getting rubbish?

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Based on the recovery draft, a largest newly acked packet should be considered as sample for the RTT estimation.

This means that if the receiver sends 1 ACK for every packet, then every single ACK will be taken as sample for RTT estimation. But RFC6298 suggests to take at least one RTT measurement per RTT and also states, "Additionally, when multiple samples are taken per RTT, the alpha and beta defined in Section 2 may keep an inadequate RTT history."

I think taking every single largest ACK into consideration doesn't comply with RFC6298.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3592,6 +3594,21 @@ and will contain a CRYPTO frame with an offset matching the size of the CRYPTO
 frame sent in the first Initial packet.  Cryptographic handshake messages
 subsequent to the first do not need to fit within a single UDP datagram.
 
+
+### Abandoning Initial Packets {#discard-initial}
+
+A client stops both sending and accepting Initial packets when it sends its
+first Handshake packet.  A server stops sending and accepting Initial packets
+when it receives its first Handshake packet.  Though packets might still be in
+flight or awaiting acknowledgment, no further Initial packets need to be
+exchanged beyond this point.  Initial packet protection keys are discarded (see
+Section 4.10 of {{QUIC-TLS}}) along with any loss recovery and congestion
+control state (see Sections 5.3.1.2 and 6.9 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}).

+1. @MikeBishop 's proposed text also explicitly articulates that this is an implicit acknowledgement, something that we've been shy to do before.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3592,6 +3594,21 @@ and will contain a CRYPTO frame with an offset matching the size of the CRYPTO
 frame sent in the first Initial packet.  Cryptographic handshake messages
 subsequent to the first do not need to fit within a single UDP datagram.
 
+
+### Abandoning Initial Packets {#discard-initial}
+
+A client stops both sending and accepting Initial packets when it sends its
+first Handshake packet.  A server stops sending and accepting Initial packets
+when it receives its first Handshake packet.  Though packets might still be in
+flight or awaiting acknowledgment, no further Initial packets need to be
+exchanged beyond this point.  Initial packet protection keys are discarded (see
+Section 4.10 of {{QUIC-TLS}}) along with any loss recovery and congestion
+control state (see Sections 5.3.1.2 and 6.9 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}).

I don't think that it is the case. We don't really say anything from a loss recovery perspective - the packets are not declared lost. The congestion controller is just told to remove the bytes from in flight - they don't cause the CWND to increase. So it's not really acknowledgment.

As the changes to the recovery draft state: loss recovery state is just thrown out: you won't be retransmitting anything at the encryption level. So saying anything more isn't really helpful there. The effect on the congestion controller is intentionally neutral: don't increase CWND as though the packets got through, but don't keep the bytes on the books as though the packets were lost.

Or have I screwed this up?

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@mikkelfj : I don't think that's a problem. Like I said, encoding stream frame size is related to packet size anyway, so it is logic that is going to be a bit non-local as it is.

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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

It's acknowledged, but PING is curiously absent from the retransmission rules.

I don't think that we should assume that PING needs to be sent again if the packet containing it is lost. The point of PING is to elicit acknowledgment. Whether that is for a specific packet or just for the connection in general, it shouldn't matter to us.

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Based on this, I would suggest we have a new issue that this can maybe address.

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----==_mimepart_5bff5007798ae_71f03fb74aad45bc9115b-- From nobody Wed Nov 28 18:43:18 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07089130DC1 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 18:43:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id soD3xlT6YfZi for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 18:43:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B0D6126CB6 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 18:43:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 18:43:14 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543459394; bh=D5sgNLWEe/Yr39SZsv7ElSUWrOiHB0a4Z4Zd14VUXBk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=R+5N8n2Co7bhq0IMiPTzDBN2p//k+pBsxHD+nPFKPFfEmY19Zv03odJTHvAn+jVCQ wcLoFehP7DwIt5b0Yaq7OemZ9Ztdh2LOZbiukihANwRMXlHALLHBkcdzgYrSv4gf/U 8L19ot6agaIbmBhb7rvRm4JT3GCXzEHLmzrKVfbE= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] compensation of ack_delay is fragile against errors (#2060) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bff5242126d6_66c53fb4dd4d45b4559dd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 02:43:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bff5242126d6_66c53fb4dd4d45b4559dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You still want to have the if check, to avoid a large value due to overflow. Which unfortunately leaves us at the same place. I think what you want is: ``` if (latest_rtt - min_rtt > ack_delay) latest_rtt -= ack_delay else latest_rtt = min_rtt ``` That said, I'm not sure that this is a good change. Basically if you have a bad clock at the receiver, this means that you constantly underestimate the latest RTT sample. That is bad for two reasons: (i) you miss any queues that might be building up because you underestimate latest_rtt, and (ii) the smoothed_rtt value that might be used for pacing uses this underestimated value. OTOH, in the current world, if the receiver is consistently bad in reporting ack_delay, the sender becomes less aggressive than it should be, since the latest_rtt is larger than it should be. Pacing rate is lower, and any sender queueing estimate that uses latest_rtt hits detects a queue when there isn't one. This isn't unsafe, this is just poor performance, which should be expected for a receiver with a poor clock. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2060#issuecomment-442685693 ----==_mimepart_5bff5242126d6_66c53fb4dd4d45b4559dd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

You still want to have the if check, to avoid a large value due to ove= rflow. Which unfortunately leaves us at the same place. I think what you = want is:

    if (latest_rtt - min_rtt > ack_delay)
        latest_rtt -=3D ack_delay
    else
        latest_rtt =3D min_rtt

That said, I'm not sure that this is a good change. Basically if you h= ave a bad clock at the receiver, this means that you constantly underesti= mate the latest RTT sample. That is bad for two reasons: (i) you miss any= queues that might be building up because you underestimate latest_rtt, a= nd (ii) the smoothed_rtt value that might be used for pacing uses this un= derestimated value.

OTOH, in the current world, if the receiver is consistently bad in rep= orting ack_delay, the sender becomes less aggressive than it should be, s= ince the latest_rtt is larger than it should be. Pacing rate is lower, an= d any sender queueing estimate that uses latest_rtt hits detects a queue = when there isn't one. This isn't unsafe, this is just poor performance, = which should be expected for a receiver with a poor clock.

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= ----==_mimepart_5bff5242126d6_66c53fb4dd4d45b4559dd-- From nobody Wed Nov 28 18:50:06 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36842130DC1 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 18:50:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Dwbx_O7ng5xv for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 18:50:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A0CB126CB6 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 18:50:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 18:50:01 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543459801; bh=fK2A+XmqB6h5KciCpkwm+MyLN1WIqmyWUhFTnfsG36s=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=BzI7wF6YxB1rirp0tVCv6QZkN/NDiqXURl0jfoMAvlMnU7n1S2Lus2o/aIXJWICzT qdvLpHzkKEP1gbdbD5dJ3UMO59DBQqoAvUfob7CTInOftr7+TywHQ0BGFVgm4ErGDR wHoFtdGhgcUR6PsjXmUKt3fI2Rng3WdHdMa7QUow= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] PING is reliably delivered (#2068) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bff53d993847_612c3fdd444d45c010577d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 02:50:04 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bff53d993847_612c3fdd444d45c010577d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PING was always supposed to be reliably delivered... if that changed, I missed it. Do you remember it being different? (I could be losing it, which is not entirely out of the question.) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2068#issuecomment-442686833 ----==_mimepart_5bff53d993847_612c3fdd444d45c010577d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

PING was always supposed to be reliably delivered... if that changed, I missed it. Do you remember it being different? (I could be losing it, which is not entirely out of the question.)

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----==_mimepart_5bff53d993847_612c3fdd444d45c010577d-- From nobody Wed Nov 28 18:52:11 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29C5E130DC1 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 18:52:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id esd50KbzR8Ve for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 18:52:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DCBAD126CB6 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 18:52:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 18:52:05 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543459925; bh=IO1spX8hDCIbc6o8oselsYB/QgESq/xybOuJP2+8ZDU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=kF+e7VeJkINJc1Mn+K6CcLNYs0dSqG9Qq1nnMVfCzy7mNLhrNYBcs60IiIDbEIVwz neYy8DBmQBAEmSUkpEnXOZpByU6vyg4kN5100/7/YsHYT8kHlKNbcN3lkiQ8NHzu23 y6wGFFy2YVtJ6GWx+vLBx6jKZvgNeXzJujg42MhE= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] PING is reliably delivered (#2068) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bff545513161_37f13f965c2d45c41560a0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 02:52:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bff545513161_37f13f965c2d45c41560a0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I only have what is written down. And right now, nothing is. I think that we used to say that it was reliably sent, but we lost that. And I'm not sad about it. Whether or not it was intended to be reliably delivered, I can see a use for not having it so - so why not let the sender decide? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2068#issuecomment-442687220 ----==_mimepart_5bff545513161_37f13f965c2d45c41560a0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I only have what is written down. And right now, nothing is. I think= that we used to say that it was reliably sent, but we lost that. And I'= m not sad about it. Whether or not it was intended to be reliably delive= red, I can see a use for not having it so - so why not let the sender dec= ide?

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= ----==_mimepart_5bff545513161_37f13f965c2d45c41560a0-- From nobody Wed Nov 28 18:54:19 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52D45126CB6 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 18:54:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GfOAhTNuasgS for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 18:54:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D55EF130DC1 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 18:54:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 18:54:14 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543460054; bh=Pjn4QGwKTW3EVWeAIupbIxr2ouUs1GjJQ5nJfku19O8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=C4oE5bmnxXPBTedur6RmdP/eWj7m7vyktr6SDiQwaZaKbalWoCfP3qdDD0jPfNCeT qHebCL9vYdGmzTJTW5E8Qp/o3Tg0unGhPJnos7844R2PWw+K8XPuG4MrJxF/E6C7KW 9+52VnsV1/skY6iEzEMGTVjbPmPNeJD0pQLvsx24= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] PING is reliably delivered (#2068) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bff54d6eae8b_67403fb4dd4d45b4101847"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 02:54:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bff54d6eae8b_67403fb4dd4d45b4101847 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm actually not opposed to it... I think it is sensible to let the sender decide. Either ways, we should have something in retransmission rules about it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2068#issuecomment-442687583 ----==_mimepart_5bff54d6eae8b_67403fb4dd4d45b4101847 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'm actually not opposed to it... I think it is sensible to let the sender decide. Either ways, we should have something in retransmission rules about it.

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Even then, the statement isn't accurate. An endpoint could decide to use PING as a reliable frame if it chooses, which would make the claim in the current text an overreach.

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----==_mimepart_5bff551675983_58fa3f973e6d45c440282-- From nobody Wed Nov 28 18:56:46 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E979B130DED for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 18:56:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H0e36XMGko4c for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 18:56:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 11D0D130DC1 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 18:56:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 18:56:41 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543460201; bh=NwfoQbJFzEpcWv+sui77NCyDsPZH5hLCf6eqbrJS0Jw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=juOU5I865c8Mj9ln7aErwL7k+/qeW1Kq5B5uL6/Rxn53ykAHDgK8n9dX7JGYRNj95 PkGGKvUNXbeaXua2N5g4JmXPOybEX2m7ViR/12p9f1bpxP/wLNn8qlea4tIJlrsqpn E8qK2s4Wfii4n5BG+Sxf+LL5CvHqK2ua+KAzuTAw= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] compensation of ack_delay is fragile against errors (#2060) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bff55693f3aa_37923f90dc6d45b41917cf"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 02:56:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bff55693f3aa_37923f90dc6d45b41917cf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That code produces the same outcome as Ian's patch, though it's 4 lines instead of 1. I tend to think that this sort of defensive guard is useful though. If a peer under- or over-reports the ACK delay, that's going to produce bad results, but someone with a clock that much jank is going to have a bad time no matter what. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2060#issuecomment-442687998 ----==_mimepart_5bff55693f3aa_37923f90dc6d45b41917cf Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

That code produces the same outcome as Ian's patch, though it's 4 line= s instead of 1. I tend to think that this sort of defensive guard is usef= ul though. If a peer under- or over-reports the ACK delay, that's going = to produce bad results, but someone with a clock that much jank is going = to have a bad time no matter what.

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= ----==_mimepart_5bff55693f3aa_37923f90dc6d45b41917cf-- From nobody Wed Nov 28 18:56:54 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A5B71200B3 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 18:56:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xtY85Ak22JYg for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 18:56:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DC381130DC1 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 18:56:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 18:56:50 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543460210; bh=qdw7HfUzX9SHJjZ+mPYX138C1fMs0AYI3vahVYuqllg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=tJYNVlTCpvOnXRywaIxnBoIJVIasBu9p4eUERnW2jQIvdyoULyRdo7W/EDgeFNbc9 HpAulM8YOYYBgzKa4p4ZIvmu0vJtmBZ4wPkYuA4WYmaMdpddn3ofq9P0lZHycezWr5 AK5JwSdc7Kgvp4v9GiIfNaDgJ3nVlwdPRl5pB37c= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] compensation of ack_delay is fragile against errors (#2060) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bff55729f97_615b3fdd444d45c03743c5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 02:56:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bff55729f97_615b3fdd444d45c03743c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @janaiyengar > I think what you want is: >``` > if (latest_rtt - min_rtt > ack_delay) > latest_rtt -= ack_delay > else > latest_rtt = min_rtt > ``` Isn't that mathematically equivalent to `latest_rtt = max(latest_rtt - ack_delay, min_rtt)`? > Basically if you have a bad clock at the receiver, this means that you constantly underestimate the latest RTT sample. What type of behavior are you assuming for a "bad clock"? The issue with the current approach is that it considers the true ack_delay to be zero when the value reported by the peer is huge. Assuming that we cannot tell how good the clock of the peer (or the endpoint) is, _we should round ack_delay to the nearest reasonable value_. That is, if `ack_delay` is too large so that latest_rtt becomes below min_rtt, adjust ack_delay to `latest_rtt - min_rtt`. That is what the issue proposes. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2060#issuecomment-442688029 ----==_mimepart_5bff55729f97_615b3fdd444d45c03743c5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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I think what you want is:

   if (latest_rtt - min_rtt > ack_delay)
       latest_rtt -=3D ack_delay
   else
       latest_rtt =3D min_rtt

Isn't that mathematically equivalent to latest_rtt =3D max(lates= t_rtt - ack_delay, min_rtt)?

Basically if you have a bad clock at the receiver, this means that you= constantly underestimate the latest RTT sample.

What type of behavior are you assuming for a "bad clock"?

The issue with the current approach is that it considers the true ack_= delay to be zero when the value reported by the peer is huge.

Assuming that we cannot tell how good the clock of the peer (or the en= dpoint) is, we should round ack_delay to the nearest reasonable value= . That is, if ack_delay is too large so that latest_rtt= becomes below min_rtt, adjust ack_delay to latest_rtt - min_rtt. That is what the issue proposes.

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Sure, but you could easy change the text to "These frames are do not need to be retransmitted if they are lost."

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Not allowing ICMP to reduce the PMTU below 1280 was always the intent. I can't see that anywhere, so we should add it.

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Some comments, but I think this refactor is basically correct (mod the corrections I've noted), and is definitely helpful! @ianswett should take a look as well.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>    else if (largest_acked.packet_number == largest_sent_packet):
     // Early retransmit timer.
-    delay_until_lost = 9/8 * max(latest_rtt, smoothed_rtt)
-  foreach (unacked < largest_acked.packet_number):
-    time_since_sent = now() - unacked.time_sent
-    delta = largest_acked.packet_number - unacked.packet_number
-    if (time_since_sent > delay_until_lost ||
-        delta > reordering_threshold):
+    loss_delay = 9/8 * max(latest_rtt, smoothed_rtt)

This can be (1 + time_reordering_fraction)

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -  foreach (unacked < largest_acked.packet_number):
-    time_since_sent = now() - unacked.time_sent
-    delta = largest_acked.packet_number - unacked.packet_number
-    if (time_since_sent > delay_until_lost ||
-        delta > reordering_threshold):
+    loss_delay = 9/8 * max(latest_rtt, smoothed_rtt)
+  // Packets sent before this time are deemed lost.
+  lost_send_time -= loss_delay
+  lost_pn = largest_acked.packet_number - reordering_threshold
+
+  foreach unacked:
+    if unacked.packet_number > largest_acked.packet_number:
+      continue
+
+    if (unacked.time_sent > lost_send_time ||
+        unacked.packet_number > lost_pn):

This should be

    if (lost_send_time > unacked.time_sent || lost_pn > unacked.packet_number)

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
   // Inform the congestion controller of lost packets and
   // lets it decide whether to retransmit immediately.
   if (!lost_packets.empty()):
     OnPacketsLost(lost_packets)
 ~~~
 
+This algorithm results in loss_time being set to the earliest time that the
+earliest packet was sent.  As a result loss_time could be in the past.  Timers

This algorithm results in loss_time being set based on the earliest packet that is still in flight. As a result ...

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The patch assumes that exactly latest_rtt - min_rtt is the correct ack_delay, but there's no evidence of it. The problem with the proposed patch is that a client that reports an ack_delay that is too large will automatically cause the sender to always believe that the RTT is not growing at all. (Imagine the case where ack_delay is always reported as MAX_INT. This means that the sender will always end up with latest_rtt = min_rtt.) I'm suggesting that if there's an indication that the peer is feeding in values that are too large for ack_delay (which should not happen consistently or all the time), then we should ignore ack_delay. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2060#issuecomment-442695216 ----==_mimepart_5bff5f77cc207_1c973f95d14d45bc100296 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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@kazuho: I'm concerned that if the ack_delay being reported is = too large, I don't know how much of that is in error and how much of that= is accurate. The patch assumes that exactly latest_rtt - min_rtt is the = correct ack_delay, but there's no evidence of it. The problem with the pr= oposed patch is that a client that reports an ack_delay that is too large= will automatically cause the sender to always believe that the RTT is no= t growing at all. (Imagine the case where ack_delay is always reported as= MAX_INT. This means that the sender will always end up with latest_rtt =3D= min_rtt.)

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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> +  lost_packet_send_time =3D now()=0D
+  lost_pn =3D largest_acked.packet_number - reordering_threshold=0D
+=0D
+  // Time-based recovery, or early retransmit.=0D
+  if (kUsingTimeLossDetection ||=0D
+      largest_acked.packet_number =3D=3D largest_sent_packet):=0D
+    loss_delay =3D (1 + time_reordering_fraction) *=0D
+                     max(latest_rtt, smoothed_rtt)=0D
+    lost_send_time -=3D loss_delay=0D
+=0D
+  foreach unacked in sent_packets:=0D
+    if unacked.packet_number > largest_acked.packet_number:=0D
+      continue=0D
+=0D
+    if (unacked.time_sent < lost_send_time ||=0D
+        unacked.packet_number < lost_pn):=0D
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-        unacked.packet_number < lost_pn):=0D=

+        unacked.packet_number <=3D lost_pn):=0D
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Would it be better to disregard ack_delay for all future packets on the connection then?

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I don't feel strongly. I'm just trying to understand. It's a little odd that we would take ack_delay into account conditionally on a per-packet basis.

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The loss of packets on the path will be the signal that we use here.

Closes #2063.

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  • Don't let the PMTU drop below 1280

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3100,9 +3100,11 @@ Further validation can also be provided:
   use for validation (for example, the IP ID or UDP checksum).
 
 The endpoint SHOULD ignore all ICMP messages that are not validated or do not
-carry sufficient quoted packet payload to perform validation.  Any reduction in
-the QUIC maximum packet size MAY be provisional until QUIC's loss detection
-algorithm determines that the quoted packet has actually been lost.
+carry sufficient quoted packet payload to perform validation.  ICMP messages
+that suggest that the PMTU has decreased below 1280 bytes SHOULD also be

Why only a SHOULD? We say that QUIC depends on a PMTU of at least 1280 bytes, so I think a MUST would be justified here.

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In general, I think having an inflated RTT is better than a lower than= actual RTT, since inflated RTT leads to a less aggressive sender and sma= ller than actual RTT leads to a more aggressive sender.

Admittedly, it's possible for there to be error when latest_rtt - (inf= lated) ack_delay > min_rtt. That's the error that I had considered an= accepted cost of using ack_delay.

It's fair to ask what should we do about a receiver that we consider m= ight have a bad clock... I wouldn't be opposed to ignoring ack_delay enti= rely for the rest of the connection... I wonder if there are counter case= s that I'm missing though where this ends up being too aggressive. In gen= eral, the receiver should be rounding down when reporting delay,= not up.

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The endpoint SHOULD ignore all ICMP messages that are not validated or do not -carry sufficient quoted packet payload to perform validation. Any reduction in -the QUIC maximum packet size MAY be provisional until QUIC's loss detection -algorithm determines that the quoted packet has actually been lost. +carry sufficient quoted packet payload to perform validation. ICMP messages +that suggest that the PMTU has decreased below 1280 bytes SHOULD also be Oops, forgot to checkin my second pass. I had exactly the same thought. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2069#discussion_r237353454 ----==_mimepart_5bff722fae312_46203ff4242d45bc598591 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3100,9 +3100,11 @@ Further validation can also be provided:
   use for validation (for example, the IP ID or UDP checksum).
 
 The endpoint SHOULD ignore all ICMP messages that are not validated or do not
-carry sufficient quoted packet payload to perform validation.  Any reduction in
-the QUIC maximum packet size MAY be provisional until QUIC's loss detection
-algorithm determines that the quoted packet has actually been lost.
+carry sufficient quoted packet payload to perform validation.  ICMP messages
+that suggest that the PMTU has decreased below 1280 bytes SHOULD also be

Oops, forgot to checkin my second pass. I had exactly the same thought.

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----==_mimepart_5bff722fae312_46203ff4242d45bc598591-- From nobody Wed Nov 28 21:04:05 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C20D12426A for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 21:04:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id blUD1hJGJIy4 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 21:04:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 20DD612785F for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 21:04:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 21:04:00 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543467840; bh=MfKvWK4RhoiS71v3niIb7TALmiexEZLLdI/RTWTgd2c=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=SDvaZzGZenslcaIQ8eHlSBWIF4K1bRIFoNzRsjN34316aFE5nGfIGSYb3szTBEydL KsNqF0yj45NxYdhJTdvmB/t9FvGlgeeb8FBZyOsDHJtV0GDjltJYOCwPTNIzPSdn3f THXm/BGNsPc/81mqf1tCptPK/PbK7fWth4+mvOgg= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] compensation of ack_delay is fragile against errors (#2060) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bff734026236_346d3fbc2ead45c4426027"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 05:04:03 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bff734026236_346d3fbc2ead45c4426027 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @janaiyengar > I'm concerned that if the ack_delay being reported is too large, I don't know how much of that is in error and how much of that is accurate. The patch assumes that exactly latest_rtt - min_rtt is the correct ack_delay, but there's no evidence of it. I do not think that that is an issue, because we always use `max(srtt, latest_rtt)` for loss recovery. Things would work fine as long as SRTT does not become too small. If it is the case that the clock has a jitter, the observed SRTT using the proposed formula will end up in a value that is either equal to or slightly higher than the true SRTT. If it is the case that the clock occasionally jumps (to adjust time), the observed SRTT using the proposed formula would also be either equal to or slightly higher than the true SRTT. So I would assume that the proposed formula has no issues in the cases above. > The problem with the proposed patch is that a client that reports an ack_delay that is too large will automatically cause the sender to always believe that the RTT is not growing at all. (Imagine the case where ack_delay is always reported as MAX_INT. This means that the sender will always end up with latest_rtt = min_rtt.) I can understand your concern about broken implementations, but I am not sure if the current defense is good enough if it is the case that we need to make care of them. Consider the case of an endpoint that always set `ack_delay` to 25ms. Assuming that the true RTT is greater than that value, the observed RTT will be 25ms less than the true value. To put it another way, it seems to me that there is no reliable way of detecting peers sending broken `ack_delay` values. IMO we should accept that QUIC would not work fine with broken stacks. Or alternatively, we might want to state that QUIC stacks running with an unreliable clock SHOULD set `ack_delay` to zero. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2060#issuecomment-442707607 ----==_mimepart_5bff734026236_346d3fbc2ead45c4426027 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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I'm concerned that if the ack_delay being reported is too large, I don= 't know how much of that is in error and how much of that is accurate. Th= e patch assumes that exactly latest_rtt - min_rtt is the correct ack_dela= y, but there's no evidence of it.

I do not think that that is an issue, because we always use max(= srtt, latest_rtt) for loss recovery. Things would work fine as lon= g as SRTT does not become too small.

If it is the case that the clock has a jitter, the observed SRTT using= the proposed formula will end up in a value that is either equal to or s= lightly higher than the true SRTT.

If it is the case that the clock occasionally jumps (to adjust time), = the observed SRTT using the proposed formula would also be either equal t= o or slightly higher than the true SRTT.

So I would assume that the proposed formula has no issues in the cases= above.

The problem with the proposed patch is that a client that reports an a= ck_delay that is too large will automatically cause the sender to always = believe that the RTT is not growing at all. (Imagine the case where ack_d= elay is always reported as MAX_INT. This means that the sender will alway= s end up with latest_rtt =3D min_rtt.)

I can understand your concern about broken implementations, but I am n= ot sure if the current defense is good enough if it is the case that we n= eed to make care of them. Consider the case of an endpoint that always se= t ack_delay to 25ms. Assuming that the true RTT is greater t= han that value, the observed RTT will be 25ms less than the true value.

To put it another way, it seems to me that there is no reliable way of= detecting peers sending broken ack_delay values. IMO we sho= uld accept that QUIC would not work fine with broken stacks.

Or alternatively, we might want to state that QUIC stacks running with= an unreliable clock SHOULD set ack_delay to zero.

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Making the sender decide to retransmit a PING makes it hard to use PING = in different parts of the spec precisely and it also makes it hard to use f= or applications. If a reliable PING is needed it should probably be a separ= ate frame, or it should be reliable and we could a separate PROBE frame.

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However, for a single flow= you don't really have a recovery phase. Either you have a valid sample o= r not. If the base RTT didn't change, you should get a valid sample right= after the re-ordering event is over. The interesting part is to observe = the number of invalid samples. So for a single, long-lasting flow that yo= u know has provided a valid spin signal previously, there is also no prob= lem. What I'm worried about is if you monitor the invalid sample rate for= an aggregate; especially if you have a lot of short flows, as you need m= ore time to detect that a flow is spinning randomly than when using a con= stant value. Thus for short flows you may not be able make a decision in = time and you have to filter them out. Given we have a lot of short flows = on the internet, that can potentially strongly reduce your sample rate. A= ctually I would even prefer that disabled flows set the bit to 0 while en= abled clients start with 1 because that would make it possible to have va= lid spin signals from he beginning. Still for any constant value, you can= at least make a decision within about one RTT.=0D =0D I mean this is certainly something to experiment with and the actual impa= ct really depends on how many flows do what as well as the traffic patter= of the flows. What I=E2=80=99m saying is that a constant value makes mea= surability at least a bit easier, and if there are no further concern abo= ut using a constant value, I would prefer if we recommend that.=0D =0D My understanding of ekr=E2=80=99s initial comment was that he wanted to l= eave it open how to set the bit when disabled, as he didn=E2=80=99t see a= n advantage in (over-)specifying that behavior. Others were actually conc= erned that setting it randomly (if the randomness is not sufficiently pro= vided) could enable fingerprinting. As such I don=E2=80=99t see a reason = to not recommend a constant value when disabled.=0D =0D -- =0D You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.=0D Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub:=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1982#discussion_r237395093= ----==_mimepart_5bffa7b9ea4ee_118b3fda328d45b857987 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

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tination addresses of the path,=0D
 so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or=0D
 disabled for repeated use of the same path.=0D
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I guess that depends on the heuristic you use. However, for a single f= low you don't really have a recovery phase. Either you have a valid sampl= e or not. If the base RTT didn't change, you should get a valid sample ri= ght after the re-ordering event is over. The interesting part is to obser= ve the number of invalid samples. So for a single, long-lasting flow that= you know has provided a valid spin signal previously, there is also no p= roblem. What I'm worried about is if you monitor the invalid sample rate = for an aggregate; especially if you have a lot of short flows, as you nee= d more time to detect that a flow is spinning randomly than when using a = constant value. Thus for short flows you may not be able make a decision = in time and you have to filter them out. Given we have a lot of short flo= ws on the internet, that can potentially strongly reduce your sample rate= . Actually I would even prefer that disabled flows set the bit to 0 while= enabled clients start with 1 because that would make it possible to have= valid spin signals from he beginning. Still for any constant value, you = can at least make a decision within about one RTT.

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I mean this is certainly something to experiment with and the actual i= mpact really depends on how many flows do what as well as the traffic pat= ter of the flows. What I=E2=80=99m saying is that a constant value makes = measurability at least a bit easier, and if there are no further concern = about using a constant value, I would prefer if we recommend that.

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My understanding of ekr=E2=80=99s initial comment was that he wanted t= o leave it open how to set the bit when disabled, as he didn=E2=80=99t se= e an advantage in (over-)specifying that behavior. Others were actually c= oncerned that setting it randomly (if the randomness is not sufficiently = provided) could enable fingerprinting. As such I don=E2=80=99t see a reas= on to not recommend a constant value when disabled.

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Unless this research question has been answered, ideally in an RFC, I think we need to keep the text as is.

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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> @@ -244,11 +244,8 @@ on the source and destination addresses of the path,
 so that the spin bit is consistently enabled or
 disabled for repeated use of the same path.

I don't agree with this. I see a disadvantage in specifying the behavior to be fixed, which is that it makes discrimination against endpoints which used fixed values easier.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3592,6 +3594,21 @@ and will contain a CRYPTO frame with an offset matching the size of the CRYPTO
 frame sent in the first Initial packet.  Cryptographic handshake messages
 subsequent to the first do not need to fit within a single UDP datagram.
 
+
+### Abandoning Initial Packets {#discard-initial}
+
+A client stops both sending and accepting Initial packets when it sends its
+first Handshake packet.  A server stops sending and accepting Initial packets
+when it receives its first Handshake packet.  Though packets might still be in
+flight or awaiting acknowledgment, no further Initial packets need to be
+exchanged beyond this point.  Initial packet protection keys are discarded (see
+Section 4.10 of {{QUIC-TLS}}) along with any loss recovery and congestion
+control state (see Sections 5.3.1.2 and 6.9 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}).

Okay, I see that reading of the -recovery text. But that's really weird -- we do know that these packets have arrived, so why define a special operation for "forgetting" packets rather than just marking them arrived as normal and be done?

If one component were trying to game the other -- for example, by sending many Initial packets with redundant data -- then you wouldn't want to let the packetizer force many packets to be "acknowledged" when only one actually needed to get through to produce the effect. But the ways to game that I see offhand are intra-implementation, and I think we can say that's not an attack of concern.

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We have a separate PROBE frame; it's called PATH_CHALLENGE.

I think we've said previously that PADDING and PING have identical sem= antics (to wit, none), except that PING forces the packet to be acknowled= ged regardless of whether there's anything retransmittable in that packet= . Whether we want it to have that property because it's reliably transmi= tted or because it's not either ACK or PADDING seems like a philosophical= discussion akin to how many angels could dance on the head of a pin.

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I kind of wish the pushed request headers only got sent once so that t= his conflict could never occur. What if we instead had a DUPLICATE_PUSH = frame that just includes the Push ID and means "same thing here"? If it a= rrives before the corresponding PUSH_PROMISE, you have to wait to find ou= t the request headers, but they're hopefully coming soon.

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FYI, my experience with clocks is they're either noisy, and if so over v= ery short timescales(<1ms) or they jump suddenly. In the case of a sudd= en jump, any protection from largely ignoring the jump should be fine.

I like Kazuho's suggestion because it changes a case that's currently di= scontinuous(1us extra max ack delay and the RTT sample can jump tens of ms)= into one that's continuous. Discontinuities in congestion control and lo= ss recovery tend to lead to weird corner cases. The current pseudocode is = what gQUIC currently does, which is why it's there, but especially now that= max ack delay is explicitly communicated, I think Kazuho's suggestion is a= good one.

There is the question of what to do if the specified ack_delay is larger= than the value specified in transport params. Possibly we should only adj= ust by min(ack_delay, max_ack_delay), and then if the alarm is always wakin= g up late, SRTT will include that even though max_ack_delay is not?

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PING frames are "retransmittable", but there's no need to make them reliable at the transport layer, so I don't think we should specify they are.

For PMTU, if the first packet is lost, I can definitely see the sender not sending another PING.

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----==_mimepart_5c00435e2f97a_5dc73fb177cd45c071635-- From nobody Thu Nov 29 12:15:25 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 283F6130EB9 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 12:15:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id huGncSaaHpDK for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 12:15:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B4E5130EB7 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 12:15:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 12:15:21 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543522521; bh=bE9/TngY4RctlNl5jfeC/y+sXGCrh2NUbVsncgMES9I=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Ece9PlKqC2wfTTPIh3zdIx2SVCEl7Vqrg9ej1WfSOmXbdiBKqT33Q0dqQeOYf1XgA GRRbZFghDsaeghew5TwkakU4rbxLsRiWDaXoXV/5ZcfZNmY5j7a7HGMTMRrLGnto/l go45CuHZSgFoj3xcyS1zHgJSkKG2LREMkdap8RY0= From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Push promise history to detect conflicting header field values (#1864) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c0048d94b378_1b5e3f8262ed45bc10838c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 20:15:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c0048d94b378_1b5e3f8262ed45bc10838c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I like it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1864#issuecomment-442977756 ----==_mimepart_5c0048d94b378_1b5e3f8262ed45bc10838c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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----==_mimepart_5c0048d94b378_1b5e3f8262ed45bc10838c-- From nobody Thu Nov 29 12:25:41 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08CEF130EEC for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 12:25:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yBsoiz7cFKey for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 12:25:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DF2DA130EFA for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 12:25:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 12:25:30 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543523130; bh=tMkwCSM3VWYWo61vbqWEXrrcgJRbO+ZyJy1TKhICubg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=SCNIjmm1O8fi4YsDfdWU7swPqFXoVlmsZ0wBYCaezRChLKYuUZAaVMdwCtGNRmR7x IukZh/0Le3pvp4OPTeb9G9upoa+/0Ecwoq2fDlz22Mx85X+U2DkPHI21R+FeV/JB5p eihIDa8TqPwdsqi2ub2x7WXWgVcb44FoeudDemgo= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] endpoints don't know how many connection IDs the peer is willing to store (#1994) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c004b3ac94de_33943fe6f80d45c017596a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 20:25:40 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c004b3ac94de_33943fe6f80d45c017596a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The current default number of ids is 8, which I think is wrong. However, the design team thought it was reasonable. I think the fact my preferences are so different is an indication one-size-fits-all is wrong, so I favor adding this transport param. Re: closing the connection, I'm going to have to do something if I receive too many, and it's really easy to not send too many, and it's really obvious when the connection is closed, so I think it's the more straightforward way to implement this. But ask @ekr said, if a peer indicates a value, it should be the target, unless you can't supply that many. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1994#issuecomment-442980727 ----==_mimepart_5c004b3ac94de_33943fe6f80d45c017596a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The current default number of ids is 8, which I think is wrong. Howev= er, the design team thought it was reasonable.

I think the fact my preferences are so different is an indication one-= size-fits-all is wrong, so I favor adding this transport param.

Re: closing the connection, I'm going to have to do something if I rec= eive too many, and it's really easy to not send too many, and it's really= obvious when the connection is closed, so I think it's the more straight= forward way to implement this.

But ask @ekr said, if a peer indicates a value, it should be the= target, unless you can't supply that many.

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If PING can randomly be retransmitted but does not have to, PING is us= eless to the application.

If PING is never retransmitted, the application can use that signal fo= r its own purposes such as QoS montoring.

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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

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+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that=0D
+on average the spin bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network p=
aths.=0D
+The selection process SHOULD be externally unpredictable but consistent =
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+any given combination of source and destination address/port. For instan=
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+send the spin bit. The selection process performed at the beginning=0D
+of the connection SHOULD be applied for all paths used by the connection=
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+the use of the spin bit MAY be coordinated by endpoints,=0D
+recognizing that this might not be possible in many cases.=0D
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ue,=0D
+and MUST accept any incoming value.=0D
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One of the main concerns seems to be that an network could discriminat= e against a client that doesn't spin. For that reason, I think we should = specify that an implementation that does spin should not spin for some pe= rcentage of clients.

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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

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> -fraction of connections.  The selection p=
rocess should be designed such that=0D
-on average the spin bit is disabled for at least 1/8th of the connection=
s.=0D
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One of the main concerns seems to be that an network could discriminat= e against a client that doesn't spin. For that reason, I think we should = specify that an implementation that does spin should not spin for some pe= rcentage of clients.

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The paragraph in question became what it is now in 391641e.

Before CID sequence numbers, the endpoint that retired CIDs might have wanted to remember the CIDs it retired for some time to deduplicate NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames. Now this is no longer necessary and this paragraph is an oddity.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fixes #1864, by only sending the request headers once and having a separate frame to pick them up by reference. Also fixes #1959 along the way, as an added bonus. However, this is not an unmitigated improvement. The point of the ordering requirement for PUSH_PROMISE frames is that the client knows that a push is coming before they see references to a dependent resource and initiate their own requests. If reordering (or blocking QPACK references) places a DUPLICATE_PUSH ahead of the corresponding PUSH_PROMISE, knowing that the resource is on the way can no longer be guaranteed. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2072 -- Commit Summary -- * DUPLICATE_PUSH -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (104) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2072.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2072.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Fixes #1864, by o= nly sending the request headers once and having a separate frame to pick = them up by reference. Also fixes #1959 along the way, as an added bonus.

However, this is not an unmitigated improvement. The point of the ord= ering requirement for PUSH_PROMISE frames is that the client knows that a= push is coming before they see references to a dependent resource and in= itiate their own requests. If reordering (or blocking QPACK references) = places a DUPLICATE_PUSH ahead of the corresponding PUSH_PROMISE, knowing = that the resource is on the way can no longer be guaranteed.

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Found another one, and I think this is present in RFC7540 as well. A = push stream is initially dependent on the client request which provoked i= t. If a PRIORITY frame declares an exclusive dependency on that request,= all other dependencies become children of the prioritized element.

Now, how do you establish an ordering between a client-sent PRIORITY f= rame and a server-sent PUSH_PROMISE?

Again, it's the Exclusive flag at play. I'm thinking we need to just = not have exclusive priorities in HTTP/3.

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"is ineffective in causing errors" sounds a bit rough. This is an
improvement.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2073

Commit Summary

  • Clarify sentence describing a misrouted Stateless Reset

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----==_mimepart_5c006848360dd_7713fd7fa6d45b825345c-- From nobody Thu Nov 29 14:48:40 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AAAE130F16 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 14:48:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.748 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.748 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HSL27znSJCXh for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 14:48:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from m69-169.mailgun.net (m69-169.mailgun.net [166.78.69.169]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B234A130EDD for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 14:48:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1543531712; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=TwzT9hQC8KYOmvEFNji5BZoZcZHJbryGgEp+a7fjwp0=; b=wjJ/+I6JIAMoR1bNEl1nO/NZrUhyQ1epREf8YqxTbiy9lthFKHkop4pRSTX5hUV9zXf33rv5 hCT+2m+QjB1JkhveqoPo/ECea+bDLkYfmZnfNKXN044e+pi1+LPMN66QfCuVYZfwbHVE6yax zkB5jP3+58G4gjoFnyJ7Kv3Fzss= X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.69.169 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.34]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 5c006cbf.7f6c7d8cddb0-smtp-out-n01; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 22:48:31 -0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 14:48:30 -0800 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5c006cbe62869_4ac12ae105f385703349@hookshot-fe-7191cb1.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 10b1fd: Don't let the PMTU drop below 1280 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c006cbe624bc_4ac12ae105f385703267"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 22:48:39 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c006cbe624bc_4ac12ae105f385703267 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 10b1fd666acfebadec3529208d727189bb3d6d7c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/10b1fd666acfebadec3529208d727189bb3d6d7c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-29 (Thu, 29 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Don't let the PMTU drop below 1280 The loss of packets on the path will be the signal that we use here. 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----==_mimepart_5c006cddcbe4b_68e43f9f380d45b412597d-- From nobody Thu Nov 29 14:56:06 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E10F128D68 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 14:56:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wY30Ol-hFexI for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 14:56:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 679A4130E03 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 14:56:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 14:55:59 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543532159; bh=uJ8ngBRhHRMcebs47st1CYaCQ8qbZ6Qe9Hakbu8MiDM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=p+Mwat7zQ5JJ1cQR3GJPbMwo32R2LK3RNtHM/hHzH96rLvLEqvCmD+tQebSmvM98N cKFquSNGldsQYiPUXZwvjj1DclQI+zuYFdA/cfTDwriZVafMJDb14Ykiw8l6FLaEqS w53uDX9akcv33Pfa7b5IqmPgiI5zDBbHHS3Nksos= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Spin per peer (#1982) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c006e7fe765d_d933f869e2d45c491075"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 22:56:04 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c006e7fe765d_d933f869e2d45c491075 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > @@ -235,12 +235,23 @@ Implementations SHOULD allow administrators of clients and servers to disable the spin bit either globally or on a per-connection basis. Even when the spin bit is not disabled by the administrator implementations SHOULD disable the spin bit on a randomly chosen -fraction of connections. The selection process should be designed such that -on average the spin bit is disabled for at least 1/8th of the connections. - -When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero, -regardless of the values received from their peer. Addendums or revisions to -this document MAY define alternative behaviors in the future. +fraction of connections. + +The selection process SHOULD be designed such that I would prefer to keep this as a per-path option. Having it per-client means that some people will never spin and can thus be identified by that as they move around. It's a low entropy signal, but one that would add to linkability. That said, I don't think that having the same client exhibit the same spin behaviour on a given path when time passes is right either. If implemented poorly, I could clear cookies and still be identifiable by whether I was spinning on a particular path or not. Based on this, I'm going to advocate for dropping the consistency recommendation as well. Can someone restate the problem we were attempting to solve with that? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1982#discussion_r237690900 ----==_mimepart_5c006e7fe765d_d933f869e2d45c491075 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> @@ -235,12 +235,23 @@ Implementations SHOULD allow administrators of clients and servers to disable
 the spin bit either globally or on a per-connection basis.
 Even when the spin bit is not disabled by the administrator implementations
 SHOULD disable the spin bit on a randomly chosen
-fraction of connections.  The selection process should be designed such that
-on average the spin bit is disabled for at least 1/8th of the connections.
-
-When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero,
-regardless of the values received from their peer. Addendums or revisions to
-this document MAY define alternative behaviors in the future.
+fraction of connections.
+
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that

I would prefer to keep this as a per-path option. Having it per-client means that some people will never spin and can thus be identified by that as they move around. It's a low entropy signal, but one that would add to linkability.

That said, I don't think that having the same client exhibit the same spin behaviour on a given path when time passes is right either. If implemented poorly, I could clear cookies and still be identifiable by whether I was spinning on a particular path or not.

Based on this, I'm going to advocate for dropping the consistency recommendation as well. Can someone restate the problem we were attempting to solve with that?

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----==_mimepart_5c006e7fe765d_d933f869e2d45c491075-- From nobody Thu Nov 29 15:03:24 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DDC2130EE4 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 15:03:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dkloJCu3ivM5 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 15:03:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A72D130E03 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 15:03:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 15:03:19 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543532599; bh=qYgIXVqU0qr6Wb6FNo3kE1fXRd3vVxNp6uXksSfZeJU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ER7i6IV0UH4Ytn9OEUZL6vAJIl/LX/7iOsy2sWpnucwTGPhYcLZk+55tiKD//i7el YHHJ3Ql7QXfPDA+Q8Wd9Mf+FqeDGhzRsvIrrz4KuRHtdd7aDMfyWVC1EHQuBsJk5k1 XAvK+5j0XDFbMRPHkeiuklGAjrTWd/x6g5bFVnWw= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Spin per peer (#1982) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c007037d3321_d283f869e2d45c41292ef"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 23:03:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c007037d3321_d283f869e2d45c41292ef Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit huitema commented on this pull request. > @@ -235,12 +235,23 @@ Implementations SHOULD allow administrators of clients and servers to disable the spin bit either globally or on a per-connection basis. Even when the spin bit is not disabled by the administrator implementations SHOULD disable the spin bit on a randomly chosen -fraction of connections. The selection process should be designed such that -on average the spin bit is disabled for at least 1/8th of the connections. - -When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero, -regardless of the values received from their peer. Addendums or revisions to -this document MAY define alternative behaviors in the future. +fraction of connections. + +The selection process SHOULD be designed such that This is the "server behind a proxy" problem. Clients connecting to that server from a dangerous place will most likely disable spinning for all connections to that server -- in fact, the server itself might do that. So you get a client/server address pair for which you never see spinning. You don't want that to stick out, so you need to ensure that there are other client/server address pairs that never spin. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1982#discussion_r237692837 ----==_mimepart_5c007037d3321_d283f869e2d45c41292ef Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> @@ -235,12 +235,23 @@ Implementations SHOULD allow administrators of clients and servers to disable
 the spin bit either globally or on a per-connection basis.
 Even when the spin bit is not disabled by the administrator implementations
 SHOULD disable the spin bit on a randomly chosen
-fraction of connections.  The selection process should be designed such that
-on average the spin bit is disabled for at least 1/8th of the connections.
-
-When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero,
-regardless of the values received from their peer. Addendums or revisions to
-this document MAY define alternative behaviors in the future.
+fraction of connections.
+
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that

This is the "server behind a proxy" problem. Clients connecting to that server from a dangerous place will most likely disable spinning for all connections to that server -- in fact, the server itself might do that. So you get a client/server address pair for which you never see spinning. You don't want that to stick out, so you need to ensure that there are other client/server address pairs that never spin.

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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

I think that this is a net gain. It's going to be annoying to implement, but hopefully not too annoying.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +
+A client MUST NOT send a DUPLICATE_PUSH frame.  A server MUST treat the receipt
+of a DUPLICATE_PUSH frame as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME.
+
+~~~~~~~~~~  drawing
+ 0                   1                   2                   3
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                          Push ID (i)                        ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+~~~~~~~~~~
+{: #fig-duplicate-push title="DUPLICATE_PUSH frame payload"}
+
+The DUPLICATE_PUSH frame carries a single variable-length integer that
+identifies the Push ID of a resource that the server has previously promised
+(see {{frame-push-promise}}).  A server MUST treat a DUPLICATE_PUSH frame

You should point out that DUPLICATE_PUSH might appear before PUSH_PROMISE. I know it's obvious, but it's also very important and so should be written down.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
-The PRIORITY frame {{frame-priority}} identifies a prioritized element. The
-elements which can be prioritized are:
+When a client request is first sent or a placeholder first allocated, the
+element is dependent on the root of the priority tree. Pushed streams are
+initially dependent on the client request on which the PUSH_PROMISE frame was
+sent. In all cases, elements are assigned an initial weight of 16.

This is a nice side-effect.

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----==_mimepart_5c0070a32bd55_2f5d3ff1ac4d45bc18813c-- From nobody Thu Nov 29 15:05:22 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A70D130E03 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 15:05:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.459 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.459 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 99b-iD1j-J4J for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 15:05:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A908E128D68 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 15:05:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 15:05:11 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543532711; bh=CSoWDuJqB76/F+dU8XXLC61ehC9KgGi1n2ReyYcHWEA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=rVTWjFolM/sYmiXoyLpv34Tw1gIfqiyJ7YAMreiYhEAHpiTfUDJUAT6/cMN7F0FnB 87nFtVsVQFkjEU8y82Fikxud24lZwSk1Al9DCIubJ4ekvDM28zxSmI+WnXQ/2DzWQk 9KzsSi8bj8h9x0PdmpxNO/2WOOCctXdb+AUuFZQQ= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove paragraph talking about retaining DCID (#2070) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c0070a7f002f_56743fc09e2d45bc1788c6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 23:05:14 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c0070a7f002f_56743fc09e2d45bc1788c6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yep, thanks for this. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2070#issuecomment-443027268 ----==_mimepart_5c0070a7f002f_56743fc09e2d45bc1788c6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> @@ -235,12 +235,23 @@ Implementations SHOULD allow administrators of clients and servers to disable
 the spin bit either globally or on a per-connection basis.
 Even when the spin bit is not disabled by the administrator implementations
 SHOULD disable the spin bit on a randomly chosen
-fraction of connections.  The selection process should be designed such that
-on average the spin bit is disabled for at least 1/8th of the connections.
-
-When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero,
-regardless of the values received from their peer. Addendums or revisions to
-this document MAY define alternative behaviors in the future.
+fraction of connections.
+
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that

It's more than that. If I consistently spin or not for a given path then I leak some bits of entropy about whether I was the same entity last time I used that path. And I leak that to everyone on the network. Consistency => linkability.

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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> @@ -235,12 +235,23 @@ Implementations SHOULD allow administrators of clients and servers to disable
 the spin bit either globally or on a per-connection basis.
 Even when the spin bit is not disabled by the administrator implementations
 SHOULD disable the spin bit on a randomly chosen
-fraction of connections.  The selection process should be designed such that
-on average the spin bit is disabled for at least 1/8th of the connections.
-
-When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero,
-regardless of the values received from their peer. Addendums or revisions to
-this document MAY define alternative behaviors in the future.
+fraction of connections.
+
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that

By the way, just like Martin, I do not think that we should make this per-client. In fact, I don't think this is practical. Consider a device running Firefox, Google Chrome, and the Facebook app. Three different applications, each with their own stack, each managed their own way. You would have to count them as 3 clients. But then, their connections share the same IP source address. So what would disabling 1/8th of those achieve, exactly?

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Even when the spin bit is not disabled by the administrator implementations SHOULD disable the spin bit on a randomly chosen -fraction of connections. The selection process should be designed such that -on average the spin bit is disabled for at least 1/8th of the connections. - -When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero, -regardless of the values received from their peer. Addendums or revisions to -this document MAY define alternative behaviors in the future. +fraction of connections. + +The selection process SHOULD be designed such that @martinthomson the text mentions making the decision based on the addresses for the path -- client address and server address. If the client changes location, it will change address, and the decision will not be correlated to what happens at different locations. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> @@ -235,12 +235,23 @@ Implementations SHOULD allow administrators of clients and servers to disable
 the spin bit either globally or on a per-connection basis.
 Even when the spin bit is not disabled by the administrator implementations
 SHOULD disable the spin bit on a randomly chosen
-fraction of connections.  The selection process should be designed such that
-on average the spin bit is disabled for at least 1/8th of the connections.
-
-When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero,
-regardless of the values received from their peer. Addendums or revisions to
-this document MAY define alternative behaviors in the future.
+fraction of connections.
+
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that

@martinthomson the text mentions making the decision based on the addresses for the path -- client address and server address. If the client changes location, it will change address, and the decision will not be correlated to what happens at different locations.

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Fixes #1865. The observations from the issue discussion are:

  • HTTP/2's "exclusive" prioritization (which make the prioritized element the sole child of the parent, making all current parents children of the prioritized element instead) is the cause of many ordering headaches and actually makes it impossible to guarantee an eventually-consistent view of priority between client and server.
  • If a PRIORITY frame gets delayed and a request is quickly processed, it may be processed immediately (default is pretty high) and only later be discovered to be unimportant.

In the absence of exclusive dependencies, it's possible for a request stream to carry its own initial priority, as @dtikhonov proposed. This is guaranteed to be the first time that a priority is assigned to this request, and subsequent PRIORITY frames always override it. (If a PRIORITY frame gets reordered ahead, INITIAL_PRIORITY is ignored.)

This is a further departure from RFC 7540's priority scheme, but as it appears exclusive priorities and reordering are somewhat incompatible, I believe is still within our design space.

Depends on #2074; retarget before merging.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2075

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(I considered making this a stream header on request streams, but since it's optional, decided a frame type was probably more appropriate. I'm open to being convinced otherwise.)

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
-The PRIORITY frame {{frame-priority}} identifies a prioritized element. The
-elements which can be prioritized are:
+When a client request is first sent or a placeholder first allocated, the
+element is dependent on the root of the priority tree. Pushed streams are
+initially dependent on the client request on which the PUSH_PROMISE frame was
+sent. In all cases, elements are assigned an initial weight of 16.

Moved to #2074 so I could do more priority-related changes without blocking on this, but I agree. :-)

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MikeBishop commented on this pull request. > @@ -235,12 +235,23 @@ Implementations SHOULD allow administrators of clients and servers to disable the spin bit either globally or on a per-connection basis. Even when the spin bit is not disabled by the administrator implementations SHOULD disable the spin bit on a randomly chosen -fraction of connections. The selection process should be designed such that -on average the spin bit is disabled for at least 1/8th of the connections. - -When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero, -regardless of the values received from their peer. Addendums or revisions to -this document MAY define alternative behaviors in the future. +fraction of connections. + +The selection process SHOULD be designed such that But unless the algorithm is specified, each of those implementations might choose differently. Doesn't that affect things as well? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> @@ -235,12 +235,23 @@ Implementations SHOULD allow administrators of clients and servers to disable
 the spin bit either globally or on a per-connection basis.
 Even when the spin bit is not disabled by the administrator implementations
 SHOULD disable the spin bit on a randomly chosen
-fraction of connections.  The selection process should be designed such that
-on average the spin bit is disabled for at least 1/8th of the connections.
-
-When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero,
-regardless of the values received from their peer. Addendums or revisions to
-this document MAY define alternative behaviors in the future.
+fraction of connections.
+
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that

But unless the algorithm is specified, each of those implementations might choose differently. Doesn't that affect things as well?

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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> @@ -235,12 +235,23 @@ Implementations SHOULD allow administrators of clients and servers to disable
 the spin bit either globally or on a per-connection basis.
 Even when the spin bit is not disabled by the administrator implementations
 SHOULD disable the spin bit on a randomly chosen
-fraction of connections.  The selection process should be designed such that
-on average the spin bit is disabled for at least 1/8th of the connections.
-
-When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero,
-regardless of the values received from their peer. Addendums or revisions to
-this document MAY define alternative behaviors in the future.
+fraction of connections.
+
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that

I sense we might be over engineering this...

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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> @@ -235,12 +235,23 @@ Implementations SHOULD allow administrators of clients and servers to disable
 the spin bit either globally or on a per-connection basis.
 Even when the spin bit is not disabled by the administrator implementations
 SHOULD disable the spin bit on a randomly chosen
-fraction of connections.  The selection process should be designed such that
-on average the spin bit is disabled for at least 1/8th of the connections.
-
-When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero,
-regardless of the values received from their peer. Addendums or revisions to
-this document MAY define alternative behaviors in the future.
+fraction of connections.
+
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that

I think we have consensus on that.

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I don't know if the exclusive thing need to be bundled in here.

There needs to be more text in this about managing races with PRIORITY frames. You have resolved the question of which one takes precedence, but you should mention that the identified dependency might have default priority when this is received, resulting in potentially inconsistent prioritization. Not a big problem, but worth noting I think.

@ddragana, do you know if we use the exclusive thing in our priority setup at all?

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -496,13 +496,9 @@ The PRIORITY frame payload has the following fields:
   : A two-bit field indicating the type of element being depended on.
 
   Empty:
-  : A three-bit field which MUST be zero when sent and MUST be ignored
+  : A four-bit field which MUST be zero when sent and MUST be ignored
     on receipt.

Not really for this, but do we have to mandate ignoring reserved fields?

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +
+~~~~~~~~~~  drawing
+ 0                   1                   2                   3
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|DT |   Empty   |           Element Dependency ID (i)         ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|   Weight (8)  |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+~~~~~~~~~~
+{: #fig-initial-priority title="INITIAL_PRIORITY frame payload"}
+
+The INITIAL_PRIORITY frame payload has the following fields:
+
+  Dependency Type:
+  : A two-bit field indicating the type of element being depended on.

The alignment of the dependency type in comparison to PRIORITY is unfortunate.

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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> @@ -235,12 +235,23 @@ Implementations SHOULD allow administrators of clients and servers to disable
 the spin bit either globally or on a per-connection basis.
 Even when the spin bit is not disabled by the administrator implementations
 SHOULD disable the spin bit on a randomly chosen
-fraction of connections.  The selection process should be designed such that
-on average the spin bit is disabled for at least 1/8th of the connections.
-
-When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero,
-regardless of the values received from their peer. Addendums or revisions to
-this document MAY define alternative behaviors in the future.
+fraction of connections.
+
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that

That was my point. In addition to the recommendation about stable decisions being over-engineering, I believe that it's a privacy risk, because it lets an observer link activity from the same location over time. It's not a huge risk, but when we're so specific about advice, people will implement that and when that advice is potentially bad, that's not great.

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----==_mimepart_5c008f61139d0_44303fcdc60d45c0949f8-- From nobody Thu Nov 29 17:48:08 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06F13124408 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 17:48:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.459 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.459 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jUwaIl5kZ-al for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 17:48:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E346B12008A for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 17:48:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 17:48:03 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543542483; bh=mgcX0JAYiO541ed5hLNLLXYar5LTxd+rfq4Jyaqr+Lw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=x1DajTsr18fke8LjeG7UJiuie3V2BKjzWxIZMvHKJ45pqwHW1sZxbrQe2E46bqqSj YUCwWvpRkAesBUErLp/z9tOq0PTxL2YctXXMRPnuxtjE0ODYB67UWxwIN/0lc4/2GS YY36X8ZtcR4DInDrLg8WEVRHtYGUH1/5xZ6N0C9k= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Initials carrying different first ClientHello are considered as belonging to different connections (#2076) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c0096d32deb8_24933fc0250d45c4184845"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 01:48:07 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c0096d32deb8_24933fc0250d45c4184845 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Based on https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/quic/current/msg05093.html, implements countermeasures to prevent a man-on-the-side attacker disrupting the handshake by sending spoofed packets _to the server_. The intent of the PR is to give the client (that is willing to pay the cost of complexity) the freehand to complete the handshake thereby establishing a connection even in the case where the attacker sends a spoofed packet to either of or both the endpoints. Some notes: * The PR says "SHOULD". This defense does not work for servers that uses zero-length CIDs, so I do not think we need to make it a MUST. * The PR uses H(ClientHello) to distinguish connections instead of the alternative design suggested by @martinthomson to simply consider every Initial packet that contains a CRYPTO frame starting at offset zero as new connection. The reasoning is that we should better avoid creating multiple connection contexts on the server-side when the RTT is huge that a client sends multiple Initials. * Adoption of #2053 is a prerequisite. We might want to change that PR to allow dropping individual frames rather than dropping per packet, because in the defense proposed here, the server's Initial that corresponds to the client's legitimate Initial might contain an ACK with an invalid PN. That happens when an attacker successfully races a spoofed packet with an identical CRYPTO frame but with a different PN. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2076 -- Commit Summary -- * Initials carrying different first ClientHello are considered as belonging to different connections -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (13) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2076.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2076.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2076 ----==_mimepart_5c0096d32deb8_24933fc0250d45c4184845 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Based on https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/quic/current/msg05093.html, implements countermeasures to prevent a man-on-the-side attacker disrupting the handshake by sending spoofed packets to the server.

The intent of the PR is to give the client (that is willing to pay the cost of complexity) the freehand to complete the handshake thereby establishing a connection even in the case where the attacker sends a spoofed packet to either of or both the endpoints.

Some notes:

  • The PR says "SHOULD". This defense does not work for servers that uses zero-length CIDs, so I do not think we need to make it a MUST.
  • The PR uses H(ClientHello) to distinguish connections instead of the alternative design suggested by @martinthomson to simply consider every Initial packet that contains a CRYPTO frame starting at offset zero as new connection. The reasoning is that we should better avoid creating multiple connection contexts on the server-side when the RTT is huge that a client sends multiple Initials.
  • Adoption of #2053 is a prerequisite. We might want to change that PR to allow dropping individual frames rather than dropping per packet, because in the defense proposed here, the server's Initial that corresponds to the client's legitimate Initial might contain an ACK with an invalid PN. That happens when an attacker successfully races a spoofed packet with an identical CRYPTO frame but with a different PN.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2076

Commit Summary

  • Initials carrying different first ClientHello are considered as belonging to different connections

File Changes

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@kazuho commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3278,9 +3278,10 @@ Reserved Bits (R):
 
 : The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x0c) of byte 0 are reserved.  These
   bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of {{QUIC-TLS}}).
-  The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0.  An endpoint MUST
-  treat receipt of a packet that has a non-zero value for these bits after
-  removing protection as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.
+  The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0.  For Handshake and
+  0-RTT packets and endpoint MUST treat a non-zero value after removing
+  protection as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. For Initial
+  packets, and endpoint MAY instead choose to drop the packet.

How about stating that, for Initial packets:

  • an endpoint MUST ignore CRYPTO frames once it obtains Handshake keys
  • an endpoint MUST ignore CONNECTION_CLOSE frames once it receives a Handshake packet
  • an endpoint MUST ignore unexpected packet numbers found in an ACK frame

I think these three requirements are sufficient to address the attacks that happen after 1 RTT.

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----==_mimepart_5c009869dda97_4e2f3f80c76d45c025751e-- From nobody Thu Nov 29 18:03:19 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E364B128CF2 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 18:03:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cMcQ67Ygn8Xu for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 18:03:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8663012008A for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 18:03:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 18:03:15 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543543395; bh=/PhN03nErcHMc8FJnSqRwgJD/PavJJT9uAShdiViwQ8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=mdPa2CuNzZgovAP9yjQOCcvNprdxNhV++7pFV7MJHnjtqm7k7POKNircOx4/RR1qe RosTF3XksLK8hIIKQsM5cwNu5p5jD5LQbF5fh0BFFXRTpb5LUj9ZER10pJGO0rMRNL VEFOdlRAyTPGY+ceNHMRBHgvL09qQoDwYrdCoSfw= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] compensation of ack_delay is fragile against errors (#2060) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c009a63c6f89_74173fce95cd45bc185078"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 02:03:18 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c009a63c6f89_74173fce95cd45bc185078 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah. Discontinuity sounds the best word to explain the issue in the current approach. > There is the question of what to do if the specified ack_delay is larger than the value specified in transport params. Possibly we should only adjust by min(ack_delay, max_ack_delay), and then if the alarm is always waking up late, SRTT will include that even though max_ack_delay is not? I am not sure if min(ack_delay, max_ack_delay) desirable, because ack_delay would typically be greater than max_ack_delay for retransmitted ACKs. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2060#issuecomment-443063932 ----==_mimepart_5c009a63c6f89_74173fce95cd45bc185078 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yeah. Discontinuity sounds the best word to explain the issue in the c= urrent approach.

There is the question of what to do if the specified ack_delay is larg= er than the value specified in transport params. Possibly we should only = adjust by min(ack_delay, max_ack_delay), and then if the alarm is always = waking up late, SRTT will include that even though max_ack_delay is not?<= /p>

I am not sure if min(ack_delay, max_ack_delay) desirable, because ack_= delay would typically be greater than max_ack_delay for retransmitted ACK= s.

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FWIW, I am starting to wonder if there could be an alternative approac= h than dropping Initial keys.

Specifically, I am wondering if just having the rules for dealing with= potentially attacking frames (instead of packets) would be either equiva= lent to (or even better than) trying to drop the keys.

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How about stating that, for Initial packets:

  • an endpoint MUST ignore CRYPTO frames once it obtains Handshake keys<= /li>
  • an endpoint MUST ignore CONNECTION_CLOSE frames once it receives a Ha= ndshake packet
  • an endpoint MUST ignore unexpected packet numbers found in an ACK fra= me

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= ----==_mimepart_5c009cd76671b_7a0a3f93e20d45c02594d9-- From nobody Thu Nov 29 18:18:43 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E53A512F1AB for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 18:18:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eu0ALiLunmYa for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 18:18:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0DEE312D4E7 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 18:18:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 18:18:38 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543544318; bh=Rpdhqd7JE6O9Yax0lz8sE+x+Cw/KThfa3Iwcehv7pgw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=S6Q95nE4ah8lMRnqJsy7avmxMxIYtyb6CgXCuy77+cca/7+pVh2eqIFQjXx+/vPPG JgFiHKzy8q2jwRGUjerBpf7j93wwEGjh7BvE0VoPnpcr8yiqKmn17J4ySwgtJjYH+z nwqJY4QxL2sImShsBI7yqFVYpBKZf5a2TzFDQSh4= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] compensation of ack_delay is fragile against errors (#2060) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c009dfed98ef_10c73faa1e0d45b4303413"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 02:18:42 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c009dfed98ef_10c73faa1e0d45b4303413 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In regards to min(ack_delay, max_ack_delay), it's critical to consider what srtt is used for, which is loss detection and timers(TLP and RTO). If there is a high rate of ACK loss or if the peer's alarms are persistently waking up late, then the SRTT and/or RTTVar will increase, thereby increasing these timers. If this happens very infrequently, then the EWMA will forget them relatively quickly. I think that seems appropriate? To think of the pathological case, what if a peer communicates a max_ack_delay of 0? I think it's important the rest of the recovery machinery still functions correctly in that case. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2060#issuecomment-443066647 ----==_mimepart_5c009dfed98ef_10c73faa1e0d45b4303413 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In regards to min(ack_delay, max_ack_delay), it's critical to consider= what srtt is used for, which is loss detection and timers(TLP and RTO).<= /p>

If there is a high rate of ACK loss or if the peer's alarms are persis= tently waking up late, then the SRTT and/or RTTVar will increase, thereby= increasing these timers. If this happens very infrequently, then the EW= MA will forget them relatively quickly. I think that seems appropriate?<= /p>

To think of the pathological case, what if a peer communicates a max_a= ck_delay of 0? I think it's important the rest of the recovery machinery= still functions correctly in that case.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c009dfed98ef_10c73faa1e0d45b4303413-- From nobody Thu Nov 29 18:34:24 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 830AB12D4E7 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 18:34:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rsyvgxd6i4XI for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 18:34:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CEF3712008A for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 18:34:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 18:34:19 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543545259; bh=iZxkAVX9LNP911pQhG40zMRb7tcXX39S8gINTj1VBkk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=OVsIFgbGvIPMGwgFTJjya0oONpAaZ4fN4I4fzEY4AEOF/DLekiq+PlLQA51jWkNxD 3DSYtRh+8VqGSsH3V1L/Wb0pKNexJPpGPuw7Ktbsedd7Ee99FhXXBIHGtBYQ3/c4Kz KGF5SzKsFsvnmov68907I5vHP497bdkuL7qy0W4M= From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Disconnect with Initial Injection (#1951) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c00a1abbb7ff_55f33fa4bded45bc176911"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 02:34:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c00a1abbb7ff_55f33fa4bded45bc176911 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That seems like a very fragile solution to me. There are a lot more error= conditions that than you describe (e.g. frames that are invalid in an In= itial packet, incomplete frames, unknown frame types etc.).=0D =0D It also feels wrong to me to act on some frames, and ignore other frames = sent in the same packet. Either we have reason to believe that a packet w= as sent by an attacker, then we should drop it on the floor as a whole, o= r we believe it was sent by the peer, then we should process it entirely.= =0D =0D Dropping the keys as soon as possible has the beautiful property that we = don=E2=80=99t have to worry about complex rules which packets are valid a= re which ones aren=E2=80=99t any more - since we know for sure that eithe= r way we don=E2=80=99t need to read these packets. =0D =0D -- =0D You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.=0D Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub:=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1951#issuecomment-443069551= ----==_mimepart_5c00a1abbb7ff_55f33fa4bded45bc176911 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

That seems like a very fragile solution to me. There are a lot more er= ror conditions that than you describe (e.g. frames that are invalid in an= Initial packet, incomplete frames, unknown frame types etc.).

=0D

It also feels wrong to me to act on some frames, and ignore other fram= es sent in the same packet. Either we have reason to believe that a packe= t was sent by an attacker, then we should drop it on the floor as a whole= , or we believe it was sent by the peer, then we should process it entire= ly.

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Dropping the keys as soon as possible has the beautiful property that = we don=E2=80=99t have to worry about complex rules which packets are vali= d are which ones aren=E2=80=99t any more - since we know for sure that ei= ther way we don=E2=80=99t need to read these packets.

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=0D= =0D = ----==_mimepart_5c00a1abbb7ff_55f33fa4bded45bc176911-- From nobody Thu Nov 29 18:49:08 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D9AF12D4E7 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 18:49:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.459 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.459 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GvI00EEmj1HW for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 18:49:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8683D12896A for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 18:49:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 18:49:03 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543546143; bh=zS1xntEq4o7yZwsfBseLxgRG4+Pnd1F3Ib2yMffrHwI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=gRqzg34wQKXD2gdf+kBcHbsRAE8S20+sR8P3djj45ct7ZBq1BchEYCOoZeoi8TcGc /5itX0KCUm1V3wDqsHTsSDqhSnS3NHfeDw1dHxRqzhUB6icieAG0qf8QtsxeMZZgN0 1waYKs22uufvV7M4y24vfqRB7OXawn5MfCBqNgX0= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] compensation of ack_delay is fragile against errors (#2060) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c00a51f5e309_73043fa4a9cd45b4187659"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 02:49:07 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c00a51f5e309_73043fa4a9cd45b4187659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > If there is a high rate of ACK loss or if the peer's alarms are persistently waking up late, then the SRTT and/or RTTVar will increase, thereby increasing these timers. If this happens very infrequently, then the EWMA will forget them relatively quickly. I think that seems appropriate? I had not thought about that, and admittedly I am unfamiliar with loss recovery, however I wonder if that's appropriate. IIUC, the reason we use X * SRTT where X is slightly greater than one is because we expect an ACK to arrive in SRTT with some jitter. However, in case of ACK loss, the SRTT using the computation would become too large for the case where there is no loss, or too small for the case where there *is* a loss. For eaxmaple, in the case of having ACK loss at 33%, SRTT becomes 33% greater than the RTT. I am not sure if that is a desirable behavior. If we can assume that ACK loss happens infrequently, IMO the correct thing to do would be to ignore the effect of ACK retransmissions. ![loss - 1](https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/41567/49265498-a5935200-f495-11e8-85e4-e2d394d9e1e1.jpg) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2060#issuecomment-443072299 ----==_mimepart_5c00a51f5e309_73043fa4a9cd45b4187659 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

If there is a high rate of ACK loss or if the peer's alarms are persis= tently waking up late, then the SRTT and/or RTTVar will increase, thereby= increasing these timers. If this happens very infrequently, then the EWM= A will forget them relatively quickly. I think that seems appropriate?

I had not thought about that, and admittedly I am unfamiliar with loss= recovery, however I wonder if that's appropriate.

IIUC, the reason we use X * SRTT where X is slightly greater than one = is because we expect an ACK to arrive in SRTT with some jitter.

However, in case of ACK loss, the SRTT using the computation would bec= ome too large for the case where there is no loss, or too small for the c= ase where there is a loss. For eaxmaple, in the case of having A= CK loss at 33%, SRTT becomes 33% greater than the RTT. I am not sure if t= hat is a desirable behavior.

If we can assume that ACK loss happens infrequently, IMO the correct t= hing to do would be to ignore the effect of ACK retransmissions.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c00a51f5e309_73043fa4a9cd45b4187659-- From nobody Thu Nov 29 18:56:10 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0DE0126BED for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 18:56:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2y5lOciQNuvz for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 18:56:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2736C12008A for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 18:56:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 18:56:06 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543546566; bh=anXvm6n11uYDDakYNRZOMoxBEZHOuHgGtZCyMWmiMKI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=qRSAF7MbVqZion3UHh7irqTppM3HRkYFH7MWgZmsLJTPMUppSqhsNtPIrhG9ZW861 WG4WIiXB5NTK2PKOyvPto0uTnCZaQ0QB6qFOBS51NJ/77hG/VYmIlbJylJ3R860SAl y8H8VYPAGUdWQzN1i7fOy1E1fcFjWS4xy1MrtV/8= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Amplification attack using retry tokens and spoofed addresses (#2064) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c00a6c6e9ed6_53c73f9c74ad45bc3086fe"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 02:56:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c00a6c6e9ed6_53c73f9c74ad45bc3086fe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's quite a burden on server to ensure single use of tokens, and SHOULD seems too strong. I'm not sure how you enforce it... while a single server might be able to ensure single use at that server, you need some serious infrastructure to enforce it across the fleet. Is it adequate to suggest that servers MUST include a timestamp in the token, and SHOULD expire the token within a short period of time (a few seconds)? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2064#issuecomment-443073490 ----==_mimepart_5c00a6c6e9ed6_53c73f9c74ad45bc3086fe Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It's quite a burden on server to ensure single use of tokens, and SHOU= LD seems too strong. I'm not sure how you enforce it... while a single se= rver might be able to ensure single use at that server, you need some ser= ious infrastructure to enforce it across the fleet.

Is it adequate to suggest that servers MUST include a timestamp in the= token, and SHOULD expire the token within a short period of time (a few = seconds)?

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= ----==_mimepart_5c00a6c6e9ed6_53c73f9c74ad45bc3086fe-- From nobody Thu Nov 29 18:57:33 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC46E126BED for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 18:57:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yzGgqBpkHfFM for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 18:57:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 07F5F12008A for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 18:57:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 18:57:29 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543546649; bh=3co6PflwKqPjBhW/Ficnw0PVNNOwO+lQBQNh9CH6hkM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=rFHaHqKDpdKX3AubegWhfGnx8Y56oXa7ervjReO2DxFd1BPvk0pII2oOe/Iypp9NA J01jRtQhYp9refxjZSqxGVVh4mJWyDkezwa6GlbKJan6SBWwymFcuhGdCKB5G8M1PJ 5Yzxx1F1cLOnrCFsCDSP15ZoVi/DW6sWXY4Seq6g= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Disconnect with Initial Injection (#1951) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c00a7194c82f_56113fa4bded45bc4670a7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 02:57:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c00a7194c82f_56113fa4bded45bc4670a7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree that dropping at per-frame basis is more fragile than dropping keys. However, it has the following benefits: * The rule to evade attacks before the Handshake keys are exchanged. Specifically, ignoring unexpected PNs in ACK is a nice-to-have for #2076. * The rules are easier to implement than what we have now in #2053, because the rules can be applied in one-path, rather than in two-pass (i.e. first check that the frames are valid then apply all of them). To put it another way, per-frame rules is something easy to implement, and also is beneficial to evade attacks during the exchange of Initials. And if we use the framework also for ignoring CRYTO frames once the Handshake key is obtained, dropping the Initial keys become unnecessary. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1951#issuecomment-443073733 ----==_mimepart_5c00a7194c82f_56113fa4bded45bc4670a7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I agree that dropping at per-frame basis is more fragile than dropping= keys. However, it has the following benefits:

  • The rule to evade attacks before the Handshake keys are exchanged. Sp= ecifically, ignoring unexpected PNs in ACK is a nice-to-have for #2076.
  • The rules are easier to implement than what we have now in #= 2053, because the rules can be applied in one-path, rather than in tw= o-pass (i.e. first check that the frames are valid then apply all of them= ).

To put it another way, per-frame rules is something easy to implement,= and also is beneficial to evade attacks during the exchange of Initials.= And if we use the framework also for ignoring CRYTO frames once the Hand= shake key is obtained, dropping the Initial keys become unnecessary.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c00a7194c82f_56113fa4bded45bc4670a7-- From nobody Thu Nov 29 18:59:28 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70739126BED for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 18:59:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TD5VJbIzc_Vi for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 18:59:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-10.smtp.github.com (out-10.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC5A012008A for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 18:59:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 18:59:24 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543546764; bh=Y25hbnRUrcoyprkZLZVucDHB72k74QK2BcI54lyKmoA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=oa6tMOD1Gprcr3v7QKnyy3WACmeXGmgq483WfO92/96U95gV+h3T3l4m7zi/OGktq s7vrFQLsK8eppqOz2g6iuIKl4AIimh4JNF9q7+jPyZgYIW7a4Caki4Ac8byZjbk+2P HplbrqaG0HOrlQHpZHzgbmOZ5t9oGSX3mLR0G4ho= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] compensation of ack_delay is fragile against errors (#2060) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c00a78c5d891_740f3fce95cd45bc3697b3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 02:59:27 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c00a78c5d891_740f3fce95cd45bc3697b3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's important to consider the fact that typically, even if there is some ACK loss, so many immediate ACKs are being sent(particularly with acking every other packet), the skew is minimal. The interesting case is at the tail where the final ACK is lost and the next ACK arrives a long time afterwards. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2060#issuecomment-443074103 ----==_mimepart_5c00a78c5d891_740f3fce95cd45bc3697b3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It's important to consider the fact that typically, even if there is s= ome ACK loss, so many immediate ACKs are being sent(particularly with ack= ing every other packet), the skew is minimal. The interesting case is at= the tail where the final ACK is lost and the next ACK arrives a long tim= e afterwards.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c00a78c5d891_740f3fce95cd45bc3697b3-- From nobody Thu Nov 29 19:02:08 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7744126C01 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:02:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R37YPZqr_OYn for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:02:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-14.smtp.github.com (out-14.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4014D12008A for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:02:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:02:03 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543546924; bh=EUmhs5FRRsT8jmZTnx86By9aVRInErsL5syFX7ybe44=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=HlmypvsQ6pFMcxTl+WbHtb+RZugw/EJf6BMAOU3+zJz9JOWOjPmWD2U84czZ0BVd5 adncjdNHHV5y+SLIlyoYX6NaB/gTEGUH3LbAiMfnTcdQPdezEHnqJIqA8ESmi2gRMU lzfvZ73JufqR+TP0ByxcqLwAy/yNPUd3KH1bFvcE= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] compensation of ack_delay is fragile against errors (#2060) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c00a82bcd1e5_32213fb6f60d45c050938c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 03:02:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c00a82bcd1e5_32213fb6f60d45c050938c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think I might have a simpler case that illustrates the problem of capping the compensation to `min(ack_delay, max_ack_delay)`. What happens if an endpoint receives an ACK-only packet, sleeps for 10 seconds, then sends some data? The sent packet will contain data and a ACK frame with an ack-delay field of 10 seconds. Don't we need to subtract 10 seconds in this case? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2060#issuecomment-443074584 ----==_mimepart_5c00a82bcd1e5_32213fb6f60d45c050938c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think I might have a simpler case that illustrates the problem of ca= pping the compensation to min(ack_delay, max_ack_delay).

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What happens if an endpoint receives an ACK-only packet, sleeps for 10= seconds, then sends some data? The sent packet will contain data and a A= CK frame with an ack-delay field of 10 seconds.

Don't we need to subtract 10 seconds in this case?

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The rules are easier to implement than what we have now in #= 2053, because the rules can be applied in one-path, rather than in tw= o-pass (i.e. first check that the frames are valid then apply all of them= ).

I don't think that's true. Consider the case where a packet contains t= wo ACK frames, the first of which is valid, the second one acknowledges a= n unsent packet. When processing the frames, you'd first happily process = (and clean up your history of sent packets), only to encounter the second= , invalid frame. What do you do now? You could unwind the effect= s of the first ACK frame, which at least in my implementation would a hug= e amount of complexity, or you could ignore the second ACK frame, accepti= ng the fact that you acted upon a packet that was probably sent by an att= acker.

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In my experience, per-frame rules are very problematic. Particularly any that drop some frames and process others without closing the connection.

That's a complex road I'm unwilling to go down.

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----==_mimepart_5c00a859aeedc_25c43f8f8c0d45c0468897-- From nobody Thu Nov 29 19:09:21 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 415BF12008A for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:09:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HNQpKflvZnK7 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:09:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-10.smtp.github.com (out-10.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AFB93126C01 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:09:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:09:17 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543547357; bh=0Ipjp+GEqqhgC81h9m6YzcO3k4W7huNZ0T3EStdafwk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=lehDlOw4MYUg9GAJ4etoZ6lsMH5h76N1h6GK8/DF1hC+AmwEpQvYOwZjoH+9rqhc6 xClfBlAM0EfSDrD3hbVpz8SP2QNbwDu7+O9pI45nxugekNBVeD3bVVIAK5npWiBokb GumfByzso08sh4k+tR9BfnRa2lQMF89uNbcQFac4= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] compensation of ack_delay is fragile against errors (#2060) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c00a9dd28c07_786a3f9c74ad45bc453219"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 03:09:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c00a9dd28c07_786a3f9c74ad45bc453219 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Responding to the most recent couple of comments first: SRTT does not include ack_delay, which is why we add max_ack_delay back into the RTO computation. So, even in the case of ack loss, the SRTT *should* be the same... the reported ack_delay might keep increasing. There is the question of what to do if ack_delay gets larger than max_ack_delay, which is why I had argued that should prefer observed ack_delays over explicitly stated ones (in an earlier thread.) I think we had discussed monitoring ack_delays and using that value over time, but left it for later... ideally, we'd use an EWMA or some such to track actual ack_delays to see if they're increasing, and add that into the RTO computation. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2060#issuecomment-443075810 ----==_mimepart_5c00a9dd28c07_786a3f9c74ad45bc453219 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Responding to the most recent couple of comments first: SRTT does not = include ack_delay, which is why we add max_ack_delay back into the RTO co= mputation. So, even in the case of ack loss, the SRTT should be = the same... the reported ack_delay might keep increasing.

There is the question of what to do if ack_delay gets larger than max_= ack_delay, which is why I had argued that should prefer observed ack_dela= ys over explicitly stated ones (in an earlier thread.) I think we had dis= cussed monitoring ack_delays and using that value over time, but left it = for later...
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For the basic retry, yes a short life time is plausible. You expect to see the token in the next packet. But for the NEW TOKEN frane, you need about the same lifetime as a session resume ticket.

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@marten-seemann In this specific case, that is not an= issue.

Before the Handshake keys are exchanged, you need to rely on ACKs. At = that moment, having rules to reject certain ACKs never hurts.
After the Handshake keys are known, endpoints can ignore ACK frames entir= ely.

So two-pass is not required if you drop frames at per-frame level.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c00aa0130732_5e123f88192d45c0633860-- From nobody Thu Nov 29 19:15:03 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C5F2126BED for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:15:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mCAMUtGgnJLk for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:15:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DBECF12008A for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:14:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:14:59 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543547699; bh=gJWO5B/PuF7p1ijSXkvTY0v4ZqpTC2lYmbCNvxMOuPc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=tTuxFfB9HwSe1arVXltswd1x4D5hXq+6C2GWWaXQOE298Kf4SGCgOoUwAZsI9onZP cyS5yeSEXCX6QHI90XLfflJ0Br/58XUeq5SvXImdn07N3XdFFAWik0rPoWK0BXPkVk tAwVUSEio/aFr88JvDSExMeVmPyytWMuHNIWXd3s= From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Disconnect with Initial Injection (#1951) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c00ab33d10e_79c13f93e20d45c04772ab"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 03:15:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c00ab33d10e_79c13f93e20d45c04772ab Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > After the Handshake keys are known, endpoints can ignore ACK frames entirely. Which requires implicit acking, along the lines of #2045, which I think is the best fix we have for the injection attack. > Before the Handshake keys are exchanged, you need to rely on ACKs. At that moment, having rules to reject certain ACKs never hurts. True, but it doesn't fix this issue. There are various ways to defend against injections during the 3-way handshake, and implementations may do something fancy here, but I don't think we have the tools to completely prevent this attack yet. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1951#issuecomment-443076675 ----==_mimepart_5c00ab33d10e_79c13f93e20d45c04772ab Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

After the Handshake keys are known, endpoints can ignore ACK frames en= tirely.

Which requires implicit acking, along the lines of #2045, = which I think is the best fix we have for the injection attack.

Before the Handshake keys are exchanged, you need to rely on ACKs. At = that moment, having rules to reject certain ACKs never hurts.

True, but it doesn't fix this issue. There are various ways to defend = against injections during the 3-way handshake, and implementations may do= something fancy here, but I don't think we have the tools to completely = prevent this attack yet.

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I think there should be a goal of making both the ack_delay always 0 c= ase and the max_ack_delay of 0 case converge to the same behavior?

I think the old approach was problematic because it used a max filter = for something that potentially had some loss and tail latency that was no= t typical, but could permanently drive up tail latency.

As such, I think limiting by no more than max_ack_delay is a good real= world compromise.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c00aca81d434_24783fc0250d45c46043b0-- From nobody Thu Nov 29 19:23:10 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24C5B126BED for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:23:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eGG6eQZCSt8D for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:23:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 750BB12008A for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:23:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:23:06 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543548186; bh=J48Vs7Ob36BLlyH7SflnUGUdoJ56S1obkvBwSMnYXB8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=oVH3GbB64Dh1tpAs1p+Z9jL/MpBYvP5+R0gymR1aX0JIoD0eb7zFIe6yqYVDnzdSP CDNNxY0lvXePG84bpgTOGjxjq8HB4w3gbJ+rN/dBNeHUUOv7OMflMf+SgnD3cFapTT 8ZLUltDDIwAONhhBitHOT5xRmC9mp8+N47hFdkaw= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] compensation of ack_delay is fragile against errors (#2060) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c00ad1a9a8af_61943fa239cd45b8522953"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 03:23:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c00ad1a9a8af_61943fa239cd45b8522953 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I understand the argument about sudden increases when the ack_delay is increased... but that is exactly my point as well. It's easy to see a sudden decrease in latest_rtt with the patch when ack_delay is increased. Consider a clock adjustment at the client where the clock "caught up" with real time (I've seen this happen), and the reported ack_delay is quite large. If the actual RTT had departed a fair bit from min_rtt, then this single misreported ack_delay will cause the sender's estimate of latest_rtt to drop to min_rtt. As @ianswett notes, what matters is where this erroneous value -- too small or too large -- gets used. It's used in RTO, TLP, and perhaps in pacing. My argument is that having too large a value -- as would happen with the spec -- is better than having too small a value, because that's the conservative thing to do. For context, we should be mindful that any sudden and occasional increase/decrease in ack_delay is easily absorbed by the RTT filters; that's in fact exactly why the EWMA filter is weighted as it is. Any single sample does not change the SRTT or RTTVAR by much. Individual samples can be noisy. Ultimately, as long as it's an RTT spike, it actually doesn't matter much. It only matters if it's persistent. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2060#issuecomment-443077954 ----==_mimepart_5c00ad1a9a8af_61943fa239cd45b8522953 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I understand the argument about sudden increases when the ack_delay is= increased... but that is exactly my point as well. It's easy to see a su= dden decrease in latest_rtt with the patch when ack_delay is increased.

Consider a clock adjustment at the client where the clock "caught up" = with real time (I've seen this happen), and the reported ack_delay is qui= te large. If the actual RTT had departed a fair bit from min_rtt, then th= is single misreported ack_delay will cause the sender's estimate of lates= t_rtt to drop to min_rtt.

As @ianswett notes, what matters is where this erroneous = value -- too small or too large -- gets used. It's used in RTO, TLP, and = perhaps in pacing. My argument is that having too large a value -- as wou= ld happen with the spec -- is better than having too small a value, becau= se that's the conservative thing to do.

For context, we should be mindful that any sudden and occasional incre= ase/decrease in ack_delay is easily absorbed by the RTT filters; that's i= n fact exactly why the EWMA filter is weighted as it is. Any single sampl= e does not change the SRTT or RTTVAR by much. Individual samples can be n= oisy. Ultimately, as long as it's an RTT spike, it actually doesn't matte= r much. It only matters if it's persistent.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c00ad1a9a8af_61943fa239cd45b8522953-- From nobody Thu Nov 29 19:25:44 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A746112D4E7 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:25:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3pDn68LkHoJX for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:25:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1BC16126BED for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:25:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:25:41 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543548341; bh=ys97Ip8hlu3wz5bMZ6wpqN6t+1ByrgOSgVZZjVTr4o4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=uqmdgAq8CuhGG2mu+dQqA7XNzj0/9bVpUsvGF7BDcb9yoIx8/4gjK7Y3lsTPMnDDA RtI0BH+5zUCqru5B71wqdghkXi7D4PvtiUrEZ57G7tneyQyycFowTLo4ORHDGfBQGA 3l9fukYLZdo0PcNAjMmReEz4zlQabPaUm2C5gktQ= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] compensation of ack_delay is fragile against errors (#2060) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c00adb543e18_4b6d3fa5a74d45b871129"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 03:25:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c00adb543e18_4b6d3fa5a74d45b871129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @ianswett : I agree that we compromised. I was just noting that the ideal solution might be to use an EWMA perhaps, but we're settling for simplicity right now. That has a cost... and these corner cases are that cost I think. I'm tempted to suggest that we simply drop samples where the ack_delay does not make sense. This should not be the common case anyways. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2060#issuecomment-443078394 ----==_mimepart_5c00adb543e18_4b6d3fa5a74d45b871129 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@ianswett : I agree that we compromised. I was just noting= that the ideal solution might be to use an EWMA perhaps, but we're settl= ing for simplicity right now. That has a cost... and these corner cases a= re that cost I think.

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@huitema: right, but your attack was on a token sent in a RETRY, right?

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----==_mimepart_5c00ae3369c99_10cc3faa1e0d45b472648f-- From nobody Thu Nov 29 19:40:26 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92024126C01 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:40:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3stvsmdUzhqd for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:40:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EF603126BED for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:40:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:40:21 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543549221; bh=h4dUJSvfHZ1Spg23OXMWMyAJCEIXVoiNYjGP5G5oWUg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=i/kyxMCdSKnGHjtB/u4tJZAnrQ6VtKQbVsIPgkNlvwOcGGPbmZyDgqShHtw3iERMk 11ol3M50/1q0xZG+iV0fBpCOhsL6pFPiXlluPwfelKdaUCzOkN+ra83UoZKMll4/QH BtWCby7ItAHyl2djvdDh8jgNOYuHjsUoRJABg/Lg= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] compensation of ack_delay is fragile against errors (#2060) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c00b125d2a78_4e63fd518ad45bc845586"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 03:40:25 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c00b125d2a78_4e63fd518ad45bc845586 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to @ianswett and @janaiyengar for all the conversation. For connections that are advancing, I now think that what @ianswett says makes sense; capping the compensation to `max(ack_delay, max_ack_delay)` would not be an issue because ACK loss would not be happening too often in that case. However, in case of a heavily congested network (or after disruption), capping the number means that we could have an unreasonably high SRTT. Seeing that is why I raised the issue. Considering that, I think I might prefer @janaiyengar's suggestion to skip updating RTT information based on ACK frames with ack_delays that do not make sense. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2060#issuecomment-443080523 ----==_mimepart_5c00b125d2a78_4e63fd518ad45bc845586 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks to @ianswett and @janaiyengar for al= l the conversation.

For connections that are advancing, I now think that what @ian= swett says makes sense; capping the compensation to max(ack_del= ay, max_ack_delay) would not be an issue because ACK loss would no= t be happening too often in that case.

However, in case of a heavily congested network (or after disruption),= capping the number means that we could have an unreasonably high SRTT. S= eeing that is why I raised the issue.

Considering that, I think I might prefer @janaiyengar's= suggestion to skip updating RTT information based on ACK frames with ack= _delays that do not make sense.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c00b125d2a78_4e63fd518ad45bc845586-- From nobody Thu Nov 29 19:41:40 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F515126CB6 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:41:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2z8NHEdFYFof for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:41:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C414126C01 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:41:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:41:36 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543549296; bh=K0ny5wWHQpFq3jJ6H28Wv6jYLy4Gbisp7iWW7F3yDvU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=C2xV+ZLGa0P0wym1X9BR11uTVWUTjUrLQF0xL7/xg/vuNSs5n/f/G36bcopqcyUVt eg2jmc5QMczkNxVxOzFf/QtbbQ4LroDl6gpzP/7vRi6qoVzclBw7/IxykLvAdTy8vl +sFI8mZobBESg0b7P2Q+vp4WqFl7hHn77R2jIxCU= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Samples for RTT estimation (#2067) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c00b170801fd_4e403f80c76d45c076628"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 03:41:39 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c00b170801fd_4e403f80c76d45c076628 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For context, the entire paragraph is: ``` For fairly modest congestion window sizes, research suggests that timing each segment does not lead to a better RTT estimator [AP99]. Additionally, when multiple samples are taken per RTT, the alpha and beta defined in Section 2 may keep an inadequate RTT history. A method for changing these constants is currently an open research question. ``` It is true that counting each packet causes us to retire history faster. Where this matters is when the sender might RTO or TLP too soon, since too late is usually not a problem. This might happen still, but our deployment experience so far has not shown this to cause any undue issues. Specifically, a QUIC sender detects and handles spurious timeouts better than TCP senders did when RFC 2988 (the precursor to RFC 6298) was written. It may be possible to tweak these constants to make them better for the "correct" timescale, but as @ianswett (and RFC 6298) points out, that is very much open research issue. The numbers in 6298 come from 2988 which was based on measurement studies from 1999 (the end-to-end path properties in the refs section of 6298). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2067#issuecomment-443080711 ----==_mimepart_5c00b170801fd_4e403f80c76d45c076628 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

For context, the entire paragraph is:

   For fairly modest congestion window sizes, research suggest=
s that
   timing each segment does not lead to a better RTT estimator [AP99].
   Additionally, when multiple samples are taken per RTT, the alpha and
   beta defined in Section 2 may keep an inadequate RTT history.  A
   method for changing these constants is currently an open research
   question.

It is true that counting each packet causes us to retire history faste= r. Where this matters is when the sender might RTO or TLP too soon, sinc= e too late is usually not a problem. This might happen still, but our dep= loyment experience so far has not shown this to cause any undue issues. S= pecifically, a QUIC sender detects and handles spurious timeouts better t= han TCP senders did when RFC 2988 (the precursor to RFC 6298) was written= .

It may be possible to tweak these constants to make them better for th= e "correct" timescale, but as @ianswett (and RFC 6298) points= out, that is very much open research issue. The numbers in 6298 come fro= m 2988 which was based on measurement studies from 1999 (the end-to-end p= ath properties in the refs section of 6298).

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= ----==_mimepart_5c00b170801fd_4e403f80c76d45c076628-- From nobody Thu Nov 29 19:58:07 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5EB0126BED for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:58:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IvTBcZwW6dFc for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:58:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D978124C04 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:58:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:58:02 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543550282; bh=mqtrS/DggYJqe4iwEh+xAjaJ7xBhl0FL1nAPJoMcQTg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=eM6/X1nT2zVaP99G1C2r8Y73Arping4VgdEfpcUqY2cJBK3/ZIT9eUo2VDVuGFpID fycEEIxj98rBorsrA8czReIMegvDRBmCoNXS+rdkOAozOoV8yyE1nGkl0SKYqEUNlh cmGSGFxEfBGXN4fPQR6t8WzG8QZ/u+7ArbhHwviE= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Amplification attack using retry tokens and spoofed addresses (#2064) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c00b54a8df79_2f7f3fc0d0cd45bc6284b8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 03:58:05 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c00b54a8df79_2f7f3fc0d0cd45bc6284b8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, the RETRY tokens are easier to steal than the NEW TOKEN. Making sure that we protect at least that would be nice. I am thinking at how attackers could get a NEW TOKEN valid for the target IP. You probably need to run at least one connection from the target to the amplification server. That's relatively easy if you want to demolish a public network -- connect once as a guest, get tokens from a bunch of servers, use them to flood the network access point. So yes, there is still a risk. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2064#issuecomment-443083103 ----==_mimepart_5c00b54a8df79_2f7f3fc0d0cd45bc6284b8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes, the RETRY tokens are easier to steal than the NEW TOKEN. Making s= ure that we protect at least that would be nice.

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@kazuho, I see two issues here that we are discussing, and I'll= state them explicitly, to ensure that I'm not confused :-)

  1. The issue you opened was about having an ack_delay reported that doesn= 't make sense, since it leads to a latest_rtt that is too small. This is = what I was suggesting that we solve by ignoring the ack_delay that is too= large.

  2. The issue both of you have raised about ack_delay being larger than ma= x_ack_delay is an important but separate one. The easiest way out, as @ianswett says, is to let SRTT and RTTVAR go up, by capping the = actual ack_delay to min(ack_delay, max_ack_delay). After all, we include = only max_ack_delay in the RTO computation... any additional actual ack de= lays should be accounted for somewhere and SRTT seems like a fine place. = Alternatively, we could do an EWMA to manage ack_delay, but that is more = mechanism.

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Let's make sure that the mailing list discussion is given time to cons= ider this more fully. I'm not convinced that it's a huge benefit, but th= is does allow a client to repair some of the attacks. It doesn'= t protect the client if the server sends HelloRetryRequest, which remains= a concern for me. It helps the common case though, and that might be en= ough.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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ther packets that contain unsupported versions.=0D
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 connection using the connection ID or - for packets with zero-length con=
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-the server continues below.=0D
+IDs - the address tuple, with the following exception.=0D
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-connections, so that an attacker racing a spo=
ofed Initial packet to the server=0D
+connections. This might be used by a client to defend against attacks th=
at race spoofed Initial packets with legitimate ones.  A server can treat=
 every Initial packet containing a CRYPTO frame at an offset of 0 as pote=
ntially creating a new connection, discarding any packet that has the sam=
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= =0D =0D = ----==_mimepart_5c00b685b692b_10e03faa1e0d45b450295d-- From nobody Thu Nov 29 20:08:04 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 757A11200B3 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 20:08:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0gjWHXAORBOm for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 20:08:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D0B1F124C04 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 20:08:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 20:08:01 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543550881; bh=jTkehr6iIvU7LiFjlPVNEYTOE1qA6uN3XBkcSp2el50=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=1FpYJaQeUzupp1yHvjjWwi6Hx2h6oAPqgy5VUz1KzayN9hVCF3UJK56IYOSgpsCJj Llo8wKdScXcpFsKvNzNye0T22aE3PZQete67EnvyuzwJHJhkhtjPwnUCwO/whpgnU2 2DK2H384mRj+rWBG/z+DVNUw5OKng2RESiKOKi+c= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] allow dropping of Initial packets with invalid reserved bits (#2053) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c00b7a127b6b_4e443f80c76d45c08808b9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 04:08:03 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c00b7a127b6b_4e443f80c76d45c08808b9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > @@ -3278,9 +3278,10 @@ Reserved Bits (R): : The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x0c) of byte 0 are reserved. These bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of {{QUIC-TLS}}). - The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0. An endpoint MUST - treat receipt of a packet that has a non-zero value for these bits after - removing protection as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. + The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0. For Handshake and + 0-RTT packets and endpoint MUST treat a non-zero value after removing + protection as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. For Initial + packets, and endpoint MAY instead choose to drop the packet. In the end, this might be simpler. You can ignore the content of Initial packets entirely, with the exception of ACK, which you only use to drive retransmission of your own Initial packets. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2053#discussion_r237741634 ----==_mimepart_5c00b7a127b6b_4e443f80c76d45c08808b9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3278,9 +3278,10 @@ Reserved Bits (R):
 
 : The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x0c) of byte 0 are reserved.  These
   bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of {{QUIC-TLS}}).
-  The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0.  An endpoint MUST
-  treat receipt of a packet that has a non-zero value for these bits after
-  removing protection as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.
+  The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0.  For Handshake and
+  0-RTT packets and endpoint MUST treat a non-zero value after removing
+  protection as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. For Initial
+  packets, and endpoint MAY instead choose to drop the packet.

In the end, this might be simpler. You can ignore the content of Initial packets entirely, with the exception of ACK, which you only use to drive retransmission of your own Initial packets.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1037,8 +1037,17 @@ Servers MUST drop other packets that contain unsupported versions.
 
 Packets with a supported version, or no version field, are matched to a
 connection using the connection ID or - for packets with zero-length connection
-IDs - the address tuple.  If the packet doesn't match an existing connection,
-the server continues below.
+IDs - the address tuple, with the following exception.
+
+A server that uses a non-zero-length connection ID SHOULD handle Initial packets
+that share the same address tuple, Source and Destination Connection IDs, but
+contain different first ClientHello messages as belonging to different
+connections, so that an attacker racing a spoofed Initial packet to the server

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> After the Handshake keys are known, endpoints can ignore ACK frames entirely. > > Which requires implicit acking, along the lines of #2045 It does not require implicit ACKing, because ACKs are always sent. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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After the Handshake keys are known, endpoints can ignore ACK frames entirely.

Which requires implicit acking, along the lines of #2045

It does not require implicit ACKing, because ACKs are always sent.

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If we ignore ACK frames for Initial packets after handshake keys become available, why would we still send them? And if we don't ignore them, we're vulnerable to injection attacks.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -496,13 +496,9 @@ The PRIORITY frame payload has the following fields:
   : A two-bit field indicating the type of element being depended on.
 
   Empty:
-  : A three-bit field which MUST be zero when sent and MUST be ignored
+  : A four-bit field which MUST be zero when sent and MUST be ignored
     on receipt.

If you don't, you risk an overzealous implementation enforcing the "MUST be zero" and we can't use it later without negotiation. "MUST ignore" seems cleaner than "MUST not die in flames if it's not zero."

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +
+~~~~~~~~~~  drawing
+ 0                   1                   2                   3
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|DT |   Empty   |           Element Dependency ID (i)         ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|   Weight (8)  |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+~~~~~~~~~~
+{: #fig-initial-priority title="INITIAL_PRIORITY frame payload"}
+
+The INITIAL_PRIORITY frame payload has the following fields:
+
+  Dependency Type:
+  : A two-bit field indicating the type of element being depended on.

True -- I considered having a separate two-bit empty field, but that also felt unfortunate. If you think that's the better of two evils, I'm fine.

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If we ignore ACK frames for Initial packets after handshake keys become = available, why would we still send them?

I am saying that ignoring suspicious ACK (either partially or entirely) = does not disrupt a handshake once an endpoint has obtained the handshake ke= ys, because the effect is the same as using implicit ACKs.

The benefit of exchanging ACKs (that can be ignored) rather than doing i= mplicit ACKs is that they provide valuable information to loss recovery and= congestion control.

And if we don't ignore them, we're vulnerable to injection attacks.

I disagree. Assuming that we adopt the rules in
#1951 (comment), I think that we would be as safe as #2054 af= ter handshake keys are obtained. Also, the proposed approach is less vulner= able to injection attacks before the handshake keys are obtained.

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@mikkelfj To me that sounds like an API issue rather than a = protocol design issue.

Current specification of PING does not require it to be retransmitted.= However, the fact does not prohibit the developers of QUIC stack from pr= oviding an API that retransmits PING frames to test if the peer is alive.=

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The target audience is not likely to be confused by the use of the term connection. On the other hand, conversation is not defined in this document; it is a superfluous addition.

Encryption context is similarly not defined and the only reference to it removed in this change.

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@marten-seemann requested changes on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -865,11 +861,10 @@ longer if the peer chooses to not send STREAMS_BLOCKED frames.
 
 # Connections {#connections}
 
-A QUIC connection is a single conversation between two QUIC endpoints.  QUIC's
-connection establishment combines version negotiation with the cryptographic
-and transport handshakes to reduce connection establishment latency, as
-described in {{handshake}}.  Once established, a connection may migrate to a
-different IP or port at either endpoint as
+QUIC's connection establishment combines version negotiation with the
+cryptographic and transport handshakes to reduce connection establishment
+latency, as described in {{handshake}}.  Once established, a connection
+may migrate to a different IP or port at either endpoint as

We only specify client-side migration.

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----==_mimepart_5c014381b71a6_369e3f8ec44d45bc353a8-- From nobody Fri Nov 30 06:06:50 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05B0B1200B3 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 06:06:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xPu1m97qIf_r for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 06:06:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3B33F123FFD for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 06:06:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 06:06:46 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543586806; bh=GkHeeP2of1VBgAJFjQ1v5litgvs+lMvKt8OfJjccjKY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Ao9ijPSsr5wlnZnYjFCrSUZ7zm57xKAX4oNg5SRdauuyMt85bkyz0uSUQLRavUn0c KjXPvGJNYRbamo2+ZEGaFbPoAe485z8VNPfJL+/0aWVRSDyaYnuOSxngP6FV4u0A69 sxTa+fxtMWtzyD2yO4vDamXgd+XLPIRoOBrKPMJo= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] compensation of ack_delay is fragile against errors (#2060) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c0143f6373de_3e543fb0ed6d45c4627e4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 14:06:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c0143f6373de_3e543fb0ed6d45c4627e4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, those are the two issues, and they're somewhat separate. For 1, I'm concerned we could ignore samples for a long time under some circumstances. If the RTT is 25ms and a connection is always sending 1 packet and hitting the delayed ack timer, then the min_rtt will be 50ms, not 25ms. And I believe ignoring SRTT samples that are less than min_rtt would result in ignoring every SRTT sample until an immediate ack was sent. Admittedly, we say to ACK crypto packets immediately, but if one used a 1ms timer as 'immediate', I think the same problem results? For 2, I think putting it into SRTT is the natural thing. Adding another EWMA doesn't seem worthwhile, and in most cases it is very similar to incorporating it into SRTT. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2060#issuecomment-443213389 ----==_mimepart_5c0143f6373de_3e543fb0ed6d45c4627e4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes, those are the two issues, and they're somewhat separate.

For 1, I'm concerned we could ignore samples for a long time under som= e circumstances. If the RTT is 25ms and a connection is always sending 1= packet and hitting the delayed ack timer, then the min_rtt will be 50ms,= not 25ms. And I believe ignoring SRTT samples that are less than min_rt= t would result in ignoring every SRTT sample until an immediate ack was s= ent. Admittedly, we say to ACK crypto packets immediately, but if one us= ed a 1ms timer as 'immediate', I think the same problem results?

For 2, I think putting it into SRTT is the natural thing. Adding anot= her EWMA doesn't seem worthwhile, and in most cases it is very similar to= incorporating it into SRTT.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -865,11 +861,10 @@ longer if the peer chooses to not send STREAMS_BLOCKED frames.
 
 # Connections {#connections}
 
-A QUIC connection is a single conversation between two QUIC endpoints.  QUIC's
-connection establishment combines version negotiation with the cryptographic
-and transport handshakes to reduce connection establishment latency, as
-described in {{handshake}}.  Once established, a connection may migrate to a
-different IP or port at either endpoint as
+QUIC's connection establishment combines version negotiation with the
+cryptographic and transport handshakes to reduce connection establishment
+latency, as described in {{handshake}}.  Once established, a connection
+may migrate to a different IP or port at either endpoint as

This is reflowed verbiage: I only made changes related to the "connection is a conversation" bit.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -192,14 +192,10 @@ QUIC packet:
 
 Endpoint:
 
-: An entity that can participate in a QUIC conversation by generating,
+: An entity that can participate in a QUIC connection by generating,

I thought about s/can participate/participates/ but then I realized that during the handshake the endpoints send and receive QUIC packets before the connection is established -- perhaps that's why it was written this way. I also want to limit this change only to the connection/conversation business.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -192,14 +192,10 @@ QUIC packet:
 
 Endpoint:
 
-: An entity that can participate in a QUIC conversation by generating,
+: An entity that can participate in a QUIC connection by generating,

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----==_mimepart_5c0148c83d24b_696a3f9a562d45bc1587d7-- From nobody Fri Nov 30 06:38:02 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 006D9127333 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 06:38:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X71MIRs86zOJ for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 06:37:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5A15B126CC7 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 06:37:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 06:37:58 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543588678; bh=Z1UhmgtlCM0xCpaNBKu8vzCHxH8R8z0GRZz14cX4zec=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=eFXxpWtGVEGyijgne2TfWGhoqppZ1iso5RmrybXy7dLsqxQCVmc0gRNFXSoIygVp9 tp1IES7kw/UP3ijNA6siB03Uk5N9u+OI+2WVTXP1JMoAp/AedlsNAwtb9JylkAO6dP 8wn0kwtTH2IUm/g2s5fN41plzjWy7luwBbSjAg94= From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] DUPLICATE_PUSH instead of multiple PUSH_PROMISE frames (#2072) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c014b463f04a_337a3fb6f68d45b81794dc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 14:38:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c014b463f04a_337a3fb6f68d45b81794dc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dtikhonov commented on this pull request. > @@ -1106,6 +1131,13 @@ PUSH_PROMISE in relation to certain parts of the response is important (see Section 8.2.1 of {{!RFC7540}}). Promised requests MUST conform to the requirements in Section 8.2 of {{!RFC7540}}. +The same server push can be associated with additional client requests using a +DUPLICATE_PUSH frame (see {{frame-duplicate-push}}). Ordering of a +DUPLICATE_PUSH in relation to certain parts of the response is similarly +important. Due to reordering, DUPLICATE_PUSH frames can arrive before the +corresponding PUSH_PROMISE frame, in which case the request headers of the push +might not be immediately available. Why "might not?" If _DUPLICATE_PUSH_ arrives before the _PUSH_PROMISE_ it references, the request headers **won't** be available. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2072#pullrequestreview-180291843 ----==_mimepart_5c014b463f04a_337a3fb6f68d45b81794dc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1106,6 +1131,13 @@ PUSH_PROMISE in relation to certain parts of the response is important (see
 Section 8.2.1 of {{!RFC7540}}).  Promised requests MUST conform to the
 requirements in Section 8.2 of {{!RFC7540}}.
 
+The same server push can be associated with additional client requests using a
+DUPLICATE_PUSH frame (see {{frame-duplicate-push}}).  Ordering of a
+DUPLICATE_PUSH in relation to certain parts of the response is similarly
+important.  Due to reordering, DUPLICATE_PUSH frames can arrive before the
+corresponding PUSH_PROMISE frame, in which case the request headers of the push
+might not be immediately available.

Why "might not?" If DUPLICATE_PUSH arrives before the PUSH_PROMISE it references, the request headers won't be available.

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Only take RTT samples when the largest acked is a retransmittable packet. Otherwise, the ack delay may be unlimited.

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Commit Summary

  • No RTT for non-retransmittable packets

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Consider a clock adjustment at the client where the clock "caught up" = with real time (I've seen this happen), and the reported ack_delay is qui= te large.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -865,11 +861,10 @@ longer if the peer chooses to not send STREAMS_BLOCKED frames.
 
 # Connections {#connections}
 
-A QUIC connection is a single conversation between two QUIC endpoints.  QUIC's
-connection establishment combines version negotiation with the cryptographic
-and transport handshakes to reduce connection establishment latency, as
-described in {{handshake}}.  Once established, a connection may migrate to a
-different IP or port at either endpoint as
+QUIC's connection establishment combines version negotiation with the
+cryptographic and transport handshakes to reduce connection establishment
+latency, as described in {{handshake}}.  Once established, a connection
+may migrate to a different IP or port at either endpoint as

@marten-seemann, I think this is an artifact of the effort to specify the migration primitives generically, even if only clients can migrate freely in v1. Given the SPA mechanism, this is literally true as written, but more constrained that one might infer from this text. Feel free to open a separate editorial issue for this, but I don't think we should make @dtikhonov fix it in his unrelated PR.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1106,6 +1131,13 @@ PUSH_PROMISE in relation to certain parts of the response is important (see
 Section 8.2.1 of {{!RFC7540}}).  Promised requests MUST conform to the
 requirements in Section 8.2 of {{!RFC7540}}.
 
+The same server push can be associated with additional client requests using a
+DUPLICATE_PUSH frame (see {{frame-duplicate-push}}).  Ordering of a
+DUPLICATE_PUSH in relation to certain parts of the response is similarly
+important.  Due to reordering, DUPLICATE_PUSH frames can arrive before the
+corresponding PUSH_PROMISE frame, in which case the request headers of the push
+might not be immediately available.

I was thinking conditionally, "might not be available because DP could arrive before PP," but since this is inside the hypothetical, you're correct.

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@kazuho It is not an API issue: you cannot design an applicatio= n layer protocol around PING without knowing about retransmission. For on= e thing it won't work if you app is too tightly coupled to one implementa= tion, and second, you cannot make assumptions about receiving pings becau= se you don't know if it was a retransmission.

I think some things are fine to leave to the API, such as very special= things like partial delivery of streams with gaps, but you couldn't make= H3 based on such assumptions, as an example. Having PING unspecified mak= es it unusable for general application design.

Also, it makes keep alive very error prone since you might incorrectly= assume that sending ping will ensure keep alive, but in fact it only wor= k that way for some implementations.

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@marten-seemann good point. The attackers can get the Token by observing a client use it.

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@MikeBishop approved this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -Layer PMTU Discovery ({{!DPLPMTUD=I-D.ietf-tsvwg-datagram-plpmtud}}), or
-implement Path MTU Discovery (PMTUD) {{!RFC1191}} {{!RFC8201}} to determine
-whether the path to a destination will support its desired message size without
-fragmentation.
-
-In the absence of these mechanisms, QUIC endpoints SHOULD NOT send IP packets
-larger than 1280 bytes. Assuming the minimum IP header size, this results in a
-QUIC maximum packet size of 1232 bytes for IPv6 and 1252 bytes for IPv4. A QUIC
-implementation MAY be more conservative in computing the QUIC maximum packet
-size to allow for unknown tunnel overheads or IP header options/extensions.
+An endpoint SHOULD use Datagram Packetization Layer PMTU Discovery
+({{!DPLPMTUD=I-D.ietf-tsvwg-datagram-plpmtud}}) or implement Path MTU Discovery
+(PMTUD) {{!RFC1191}} {{!RFC8201}} to determine whether the path to a destination
+will support a desired message size without fragmentation.
+
+In the absence of these aforementioned mechanisms, QUIC endpoints SHOULD NOT

"these aforementioned" seems redundant. Either "these mechanisms" (the original) or "the aforementioned mechanisms," though that sounds over-formal.

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----==_mimepart_5c01761def372_12f33fd5978d45bc15792e-- From nobody Fri Nov 30 09:46:15 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49D3B130E9A for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 09:46:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nalR4WzIVGCk for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 09:46:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E7F3F130E9C for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 09:46:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 09:46:12 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543599972; bh=hj4vvD/8a9C3jH0da2+CXz8MkKBRzj8w+QCQ/7QGNDI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=cX8RV9uLOsvlOYDYkCql3RB2utr1YNXsQEcm+wP+cO+m95ZWWpp//4xhkDlvbXKZg Uzofb8xojlojhc0t75QjL9IYWABsZnYplEfmti9QSjy31UlVo5CKsG3JgPTcwXR+n+ fve6dHbzYa+5tILWa81MO+jPCVnThgEoeghKmuVY= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Amplification attack using retry tokens and spoofed addresses (#2064) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c01776419e58_41033fa4a02d45b823837d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 17:46:14 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c01776419e58_41033fa4a02d45b823837d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How about the following rewrite: ``` Attackers could replay tokens to use servers as amplifiers in DDOS attacks. Servers SHOULD protect against such attacks by ensuring that tokens have a short life time. They MAY ensure that tokens are used by clients only once. ``` This takes into account Ian's comments that tokens need not be obtained fraudulently. It also takes into account Jana's comment that on big server farms it is much easier to limit lifetime than to enforce single use. The main point of the MAY is that it forces clients to not assume they can ever reuse a token. Should we add a description of the attack in the security section? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2064#issuecomment-443282924 ----==_mimepart_5c01776419e58_41033fa4a02d45b823837d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

How about the following rewrite:

Attackers could replay tokens to use servers as amplifiers
in DDOS attacks. Servers SHOULD protect against such attacks by ensuring =
that
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This takes into account Ian's comments that tokens need not be obtaine= d fraudulently.
It also takes into account Jana's comment that on big server farms it is = much easier to
limit lifetime than to enforce single use. The main point of the MAY is t= hat it forces clients to not assume they can ever reuse a token.

Should we add a description of the attack in the security section?

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I am worried if the new RTT samples could lower the TLP/RTO values signi= ficantly by over-writing the history faster especially if the receiver is s= ending an ACK for every packet.

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In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

> @@ -235,12 +235,23 @@ Implementations SHOULD allow administrators of clients and servers to disable
 the spin bit either globally or on a per-connection basis.
 Even when the spin bit is not disabled by the administrator implementations
 SHOULD disable the spin bit on a randomly chosen
-fraction of connections.  The selection process should be designed such that
-on average the spin bit is disabled for at least 1/8th of the connections.
-
-When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints SHOULD set the spin bit value to zero,
-regardless of the values received from their peer. Addendums or revisions to
-this document MAY define alternative behaviors in the future.
+fraction of connections.
+
+The selection process SHOULD be designed such that

Fingerprinting might be easier to track than stable decisions.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1037,8 +1037,17 @@ Servers MUST drop other packets that contain unsupported versions.
 
 Packets with a supported version, or no version field, are matched to a
 connection using the connection ID or - for packets with zero-length connection
-IDs - the address tuple.  If the packet doesn't match an existing connection,
-the server continues below.
+IDs - the address tuple, with the following exception.

It was also in the old text, but I'm not sure that term address tuple is clearly specified. What is meant is of course the source and destination port and IP pair. tuple is used elsewhere in two- and three-tuples.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1037,8 +1037,17 @@ Servers MUST drop other packets that contain unsupported versions.
 
 Packets with a supported version, or no version field, are matched to a
 connection using the connection ID or - for packets with zero-length connection
-IDs - the address tuple.  If the packet doesn't match an existing connection,
-the server continues below.
+IDs - the address tuple, with the following exception.
+
+A server that uses a non-zero-length connection ID SHOULD handle Initial packets

Generally this paragraph (also old text) use lower case connection ID while the next paragraph does not.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1037,8 +1037,17 @@ Servers MUST drop other packets that contain unsupported versions.
 
 Packets with a supported version, or no version field, are matched to a
 connection using the connection ID or - for packets with zero-length connection
-IDs - the address tuple.  If the packet doesn't match an existing connection,
-the server continues below.
+IDs - the address tuple, with the following exception.
+
+A server that uses a non-zero-length connection ID SHOULD handle Initial packets
+that share the same address tuple, Source and Destination Connection IDs, but
+contain different first ClientHello messages as belonging to different
+connections. This might be used by a client to defend against attacks that race spoofed Initial packets with legitimate ones.  A server can treat every Initial packet containing a CRYPTO frame at an offset of 0 as potentially creating a new connection, discarding any packet that has the same Destination Connection ID and CRYPTO frame content as one that has been answered.
+cannot disrupt the handshake.  The requirement can be met by remembering the

dangling sentence?

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----==_mimepart_5c018cd77f2db_4ec63fb3652d45bc2344e7-- From nobody Fri Nov 30 11:23:26 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67993130E73 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 11:23:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OYTqttET2JsM for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 11:23:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 82592130E5E for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 11:23:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 11:23:21 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543605801; bh=HK4wg4JkJsJ45YbGPtFPpciNw2LO7U1ofvNXko1Tc+k=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=UGSidQaikLnQh2r5WVRh1Z7FWIDXj/Z7RsxGPLIKJPREHhaAPWlE+I4ug3DjJ960T 1vCbW9WGp+POgILxl53uHt/nZkoaw+zptg+xGRFmkXoNDNFVxLO8gS96IjFFPZAUWX ZdOcohFoRVMpWXAhrRl9k4mWljJYr7EAhRPknmPo= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Initials carrying different first ClientHello are considered as belonging to different connections (#2076) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c018e298ce86_178c3fca94ed45c45037e3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 19:23:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c018e298ce86_178c3fca94ed45c45037e3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maybe this is a good approach but I'm not sure the exact approach is ideal. If possible we should aim for a design that is not tightly coupled to TLS crypto content. We could for example add a nonce to the Hello and define that initial destination ID to be a specific well-defined hash of the Hello. The server then only needs to track the initial DCID but can verify incoming packets based on the hash. It is almost the same, but it gives the initial DCID more meaning. If QUIC v.x does not use TLS, that version needs to make sure the initial DCID matches the critical signature of the first packet, which is then defined differently, but the mechanism remains the same. It might also be helpful to middleboxes? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2076#issuecomment-443311377 ----==_mimepart_5c018e298ce86_178c3fca94ed45c45037e3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Maybe this is a good approach but I'm not sure the exact approach is i= deal.

If possible we should aim for a design that is not tightly coupled to = TLS crypto content. We could for example add a nonce to the Hello and def= ine that initial destination ID to be a specific well-defined hash of the= Hello. The server then only needs to track the initial DCID but can veri= fy incoming packets based on the hash. It is almost the same, but it give= s the initial DCID more meaning.

If QUIC v.x does not use TLS, that version needs to make sure the init= ial DCID matches the critical signature of the first packet, which is the= n defined differently, but the mechanism remains the same. It might also = be helpful to middleboxes?

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I think @huitema's suggestion makes sense.

But ... if a token is tied to a client IP it can't really be used as g= eneral amplification attack since the attacker would need to spoof the or= iginal client IP. This can direct traffic to a specific client, but I'm n= ot sure this is an effective attack. So we could require tokens to encode= the client IP and servers to verify it, or am I missing something?

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= ----==_mimepart_5c019a3e20185_ae43f8cc0ad45bc18327f-- From nobody Fri Nov 30 12:21:05 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D921130FBE for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 12:21:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IWalXJqo0MuU for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 12:21:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C6C69130EB1 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 12:21:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 12:21:00 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543609260; bh=5UB97COFlU8zPhRLECeJy6ZICuZf9VcaSdUHUTnUavU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=cDcvtksU7SxUIEDpHowFY8lpkVqhioqnhdE7oc+5LDNUXRQCz8XgsfFc2fW8vGEBx /4gwwskEPqzIp4peeU7pgIRsuwnJ5kBVbTp1nBNfH/jj9rnRg7ZRKkfxvbpL9iOqUD +lHsNcCC3r8GHXd58nRrMn9jG3y3pPpVCMcDlYGc= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Disconnect with Initial Injection (#1951) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c019bac9d6cc_52323f89ffed45b84589a7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 20:21:03 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c019bac9d6cc_52323f89ffed45b84589a7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @marten-seemann wrote: > I'm not sure if this is true. Consider the case where a packet contains two ACK frames, the first of which is valid, the second one acknowledges an unsent packet. When processing the frames, you'd first happily process (and clean up your history of sent packets), only to encounter the second, invalid frame. What do you do now? You could unwind the effects of the first ACK frame, which at least in my implementation would a huge amount of complexity, or you could ignore the second ACK frame, accepting the fact that you acted upon a packet that was probably sent by an attacker. Whatever we do, we need to recognise that this particular case can also be an optimistic ACK attack by a valid endpoint that misbehaves. It is more likely to be a misbehaving client though. Therefore, special casing around this needs to close the connection once handshake encryption is online, but not before. That is a fair bit of complexity right there. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1951#issuecomment-443327768 ----==_mimepart_5c019bac9d6cc_52323f89ffed45b84589a7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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I'm not sure if this is true. Consider the case where a packet contain= s two ACK frames, the first of which is valid, the second one acknowledge= s an unsent packet. When processing the frames, you'd first happily proce= ss (and clean up your history of sent packets), only to encounter the sec= ond, invalid frame. What do you do now? You could unwind the effects of t= he first ACK frame, which at least in my implementation would a huge amou= nt of complexity, or you could ignore the second ACK frame, accepting the= fact that you acted upon a packet that was probably sent by an attacker.=

Whatever we do, we need to recognise that this particular case can als= o be an optimistic ACK attack by a valid endpoint that misbehaves. It is = more likely to be a misbehaving client though. Therefore, special casing = around this needs to close the connection once handshake encryption is on= line, but not before. That is a fair bit of complexity right there.

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@mikkelfj the whole point of the token mechanism is to protect against spoofed IP address attacks. So, yes, attackers routinely send packets with spoofed IP addresses.

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In the recovery draft, RTT is briefly spelled out in section 5 but is used in several earlier sections. SRTT and PTO are not explained at all, it seems. TLP is spelled out. RTO has a section of its own but it referenced before that.

The recovery doc cannot be a tutorial on transmission theory, but it would be helpful to list the key acronyms and possibly reference an RFC with more details. There are already sections summarising key variables in pseudocode. There are references at the end, but the reader would have to go through them all.

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I'd like to reopen this issue, because if two servers support enough versions to produce really large VN packets, then an attacker could get them to continually send VN back and forth. So I think a server should silently drop a version 0 packet that it receives.

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OK, maybe I need to read up on things. But I had this idea that the if= you have the token, it is because you received it, so sending it back pr= oves that you have the IP.

But if you can steal the token and spoof your source IP to some DDoS t= arget the server will then attempt handshake with the target because it t= hinks the address has been validated.

My suggestion was to ensure that the token cryptographically encodes t= he IP so the attacker cannot force a handshake with anyone other than the= client that it stole the token from.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -907,14 +872,8 @@ Pseudocode for DetectLostPackets follows:
 DetectLostPackets(largest_acked):
   loss_time = 0
   lost_packets = {}
-  delay_until_lost = infinite
-  if (kUsingTimeLossDetection):
-    delay_until_lost =
-      (1 + time_reordering_fraction) *
-          max(latest_rtt, smoothed_rtt)
-  else if (largest_acked.packet_number == largest_sent_packet):
-    // Early retransmit timer.
-    delay_until_lost = 9/8 * max(latest_rtt, smoothed_rtt)
+  delay_until_lost = (1 + time_reordering_fraction) *

This only is used if there are retransmittable packets smaller than the largest acked, unlike TLP which aims for tail losses.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
 ### Fast Retransmit
 
 An unacknowledged packet is marked as lost when an acknowledgment is received
-for a packet that was sent a threshold number of packets (kReorderingThreshold)
-and/or a threshold amount of time after the unacknowledged packet. Receipt of
-the acknowledgement indicates that a later packet was received, while the
-reordering threshold provides some tolerance for reordering of packets in the
-network.
+for a packet that was sent kReorderingThreshold number of packets or
+kTimeReorderingFraction amount of time after the unacknowledged packet.

suggestion: expand this into a bulleted list. "Fast Retransmit uses two thresholds to mark packets as lost..."

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The attacker initiates a handshake with a spoofed source IP in the hop= e of generating a retry. The attacker is sufficiently close to the target= server that it can observe retry token. It is now able to share the toke= n with many bots that all use the token to initiated spoofed validated ha= ndshakes toward the target. Even if the token is cryptographically encodi= ng the target IP, it will not help, because the spoofed handshakes match = the token.

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@mikkelfj , this suggestion is already in the spec. The problem is that a connection attempt will trigger several packets towards the spoofed address, which is an attack amplification mechanism.

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@siyengar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -907,14 +872,8 @@ Pseudocode for DetectLostPackets follows:
 DetectLostPackets(largest_acked):
   loss_time = 0
   lost_packets = {}
-  delay_until_lost = infinite
-  if (kUsingTimeLossDetection):
-    delay_until_lost =
-      (1 + time_reordering_fraction) *
-          max(latest_rtt, smoothed_rtt)
-  else if (largest_acked.packet_number == largest_sent_packet):
-    // Early retransmit timer.
-    delay_until_lost = 9/8 * max(latest_rtt, smoothed_rtt)
+  delay_until_lost = (1 + time_reordering_fraction) *

not sure what you mean.

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OK thanks for explaining. Your text seems reasonable in that context. Harvesting tokens over a long time period without knowing a target in advance is different from having to steal the token real time for a brief attack.

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This section now encompasses a lot of what used to be "Encoding Strategies". In the places where I added new text, I temporarily added HTML comments to indicicate so it can get a bit more detailed review. I also deleted a few sentences/paragraphs/sections that I found to be redundant: - Preventing Eviction Races - "An encoder also respects..." - "For header blocks encoded in..." - Single Pass Encoding - "All table updates occur on..." Commit: 6ff9fda2a2e74b5a29fe26a81b57579e07f54283 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6ff9fda2a2e74b5a29fe26a81b57579e07f54283 Author: Alan Frindell Date: 2018-10-29 (Mon, 29 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md Log Message: ----------- Address most editorial comments Not addressed: 1. I left the drawing with 'Draining Entries' without a specific definition in the text. I think it can be interpreted OK, and 'Unreferencable' isn't actually true. 2. With respect to leaving blocked data in flow control, I changed should to SHOULD instead of can. My understanding is that you don't have to do a SHOULD, if you have a good reason? It's important enough that we want to convey more than ability. 3. I skipped redoing the indexing diagram for its own commit 4. I haven't moved the TSS guidance out of the TSS instruction section yet. I can't lift the whole paragraph without refactoring some of the other text. 5. I think peer's encoder/decoder is correctly possessive. Doesn't the coder belong to the peer? 6. I removed all the instances of 'A decoder', but there are still a bunch of references to 'An encoder'. I'm not sure if the consistency is an improvement in readability yet, so delaying changing more pending feedback. 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----------- Remove BBR and mention CUBIC which has standardized in RFC8312 Commit: 630188f897691d63676d9d94262f4a3c8934f0b3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/630188f897691d63676d9d94262f4a3c8934f0b3 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-11-13 (Tue, 13 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1975 from cyberstormdotmu/master Mention CUBIC as an example of an alternative congestion control mechanism Commit: 966baa6d9810953a26789f1c164a86ecf469e909 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/966baa6d9810953a26789f1c164a86ecf469e909 Author: Marten Seemann Date: 2018-11-13 (Tue, 13 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- a Reset packet doesn't provide a connection ID, a Retry packet does Commit: c2a60b88dd31fc654d43962d1ae97b48f943a853 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c2a60b88dd31fc654d43962d1ae97b48f943a853 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-11-13 (Tue, 13 Nov 2018) Changed 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It reduces the spurious downgrade attack signal to a corner case of a corner case. It is much more lightweight than alternatives, if we're looking for a minimum-footprint change. 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Closes #2063. Commit: ea010f4c5c665abcca80bb05214110f0981e9e8c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ea010f4c5c665abcca80bb05214110f0981e9e8c Author: Dmitri Tikhonov Date: 2018-11-29 (Thu, 29 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove paragraph talking about retaining DCID The paragraph in question became what it is now in 391641ed60351d5685d5121b261059862dfd8e63. Before CID sequence numbers, the endpoint that retired CIDs might have wanted to remember the CIDs it retired for some time to deduplicate NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames. Now this is no longer necessary and this paragraph is an oddity. 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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -907,14 +872,8 @@ Pseudocode for DetectLostPackets follows:
 DetectLostPackets(largest_acked):
   loss_time = 0
   lost_packets = {}
-  delay_until_lost = infinite
-  if (kUsingTimeLossDetection):
-    delay_until_lost =
-      (1 + time_reordering_fraction) *
-          max(latest_rtt, smoothed_rtt)
-  else if (largest_acked.packet_number == largest_sent_packet):
-    // Early retransmit timer.
-    delay_until_lost = 9/8 * max(latest_rtt, smoothed_rtt)
+  delay_until_lost = (1 + time_reordering_fraction) *

loss_time will only be non-0 if there are unacknowledged retransmittable packets sent prior to the largest acked packet. In that case, the loss threshold declares the unacknowledged packet lost. If there are no unacked packets less than largest acked, then the TLP would be armed, and as you said, it has a longer timeout.

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----==_mimepart_5c01b6478197f_58513ff81f4d45c06591a-- From nobody Fri Nov 30 14:15:46 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D345013107F for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 14:15:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b5UZgKH1bmSX for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 14:15:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 340AD13107E for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 14:15:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 14:15:42 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543616142; bh=8kWrzB6M0AlFRBwegrli6Rstr8Ta2amWtWMQzHZ+qAw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=zikRFQe4R+C1JihffE584xivFzAhfHg3E0cvPT1QUBQX27ZlySL0N7t9bH4yypodO E81oqSHTJIxCv+k36PXE1fgMDrnmPy100e2u46d2rOgdkK5tovg6VXqPF98SeFNmj/ uGP8ynA5JoLLiinQUs07LKeJPxkBHhDLG8YsoOE4= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Amplification attack using retry tokens and spoofed addresses (#2064) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c01b68e8650d_664b3fadf4ad45bc159598"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 22:15:45 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c01b68e8650d_664b3fadf4ad45bc159598 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The token IP validation can be disabled in some not unlikely deployments: The server is behind a NAT'ing load balancer so all tokens get the IP of the LB. Instead of targeting the QUIC server directly, it attempts to punch a hole in the NAT with a spoofed IP and possible a token it fetched for itself through an ordinary connection, assuming the token does not cover the port number. A port number is not likely included in the token because it would prevent a new 0-length CID connection. For reference, here is the text I failed to read: ``` There is no need for a single well-defined format for the token because the server that generates the token also consumes it. A token could include information about the claimed client address (IP and port), a timestamp, and any other supplementary information the server will need to validate the token in the future. ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2064#issuecomment-443356048 ----==_mimepart_5c01b68e8650d_664b3fadf4ad45bc159598 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The token IP validation can be disabled in some not unlikely deploymen= ts:

The server is behind a NAT'ing load balancer so all tokens get the IP = of the LB. Instead of targeting the QUIC server directly, it attempts to = punch a hole in the NAT with a spoofed IP and possible a token it fetched= for itself through an ordinary connection, assuming the token does not c= over the port number. A port number is not likely included in the token b= ecause it would prevent a new 0-length CID connection.

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There is no need for a single well-defined format for the toke=
n because the server that generates the token also consumes it. A token c=
ould include information about the claimed client address (IP and port), =
a timestamp, and any other supplementary information the server will need=
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1037,8 +1037,17 @@ Servers MUST drop other packets that contain unsupported versions.
 
 Packets with a supported version, or no version field, are matched to a
 connection using the connection ID or - for packets with zero-length connection
-IDs - the address tuple.  If the packet doesn't match an existing connection,
-the server continues below.
+IDs - the address tuple, with the following exception.
+
+A server that uses a non-zero-length connection ID SHOULD handle Initial packets
+that share the same address tuple, Source and Destination Connection IDs, but
+contain different first ClientHello messages as belonging to different
+connections. This might be used by a client to defend against attacks that race spoofed Initial packets with legitimate ones.  A server can treat every Initial packet containing a CRYPTO frame at an offset of 0 as potentially creating a new connection, discarding any packet that has the same Destination Connection ID and CRYPTO frame content as one that has been answered.
+cannot disrupt the handshake.  The requirement can be met by remembering the

Thank you for noticing that! Fixed.

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----==_mimepart_5c01b81328808_6fb3fee31cd45c414957f-- From nobody Fri Nov 30 14:23:37 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CDE513109B for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 14:23:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RPuqQUqJjIRK for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 14:23:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 99BC51310A1 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 14:23:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 14:23:27 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543616607; bh=J65+WPnJUFPrhfynxUvfFHuOzvFnN7C9lm8F8honkVc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=eUkKfhH4ryHmxS8OX9XJn0ntE3jfAC5FpdDTaPIalFzVc04VMenlKr/gTjXhW4qAZ MtQBcZDnIOWfQgpoZyzCxNf+sSgnQ78T+edNjdtLKmTIwxYjokjdivMm3iVpgNnZIi IapgJjVQWDd7DYsNaeN3JzDUOEu0DHO/0z9R5Bk8= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Initials carrying different first ClientHello are considered as belonging to different connections (#2076) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c01b85fbdef8_27203faf71cd45b43276c5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 22:23:35 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c01b85fbdef8_27203faf71cd45b43276c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kazuho commented on this pull request. > @@ -1037,8 +1037,17 @@ Servers MUST drop other packets that contain unsupported versions. Packets with a supported version, or no version field, are matched to a connection using the connection ID or - for packets with zero-length connection -IDs - the address tuple. If the packet doesn't match an existing connection, -the server continues below. +IDs - the address tuple, with the following exception. + +A server that uses a non-zero-length connection ID SHOULD handle Initial packets To me it seems that we generally use lower-case for talking about connection IDs, whereas we use upper-case for referring to certain fields (e.g. "Destination Connection ID"). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2076#discussion_r238020965 ----==_mimepart_5c01b85fbdef8_27203faf71cd45b43276c5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1037,8 +1037,17 @@ Servers MUST drop other packets that contain unsupported versions.
 
 Packets with a supported version, or no version field, are matched to a
 connection using the connection ID or - for packets with zero-length connection
-IDs - the address tuple.  If the packet doesn't match an existing connection,
-the server continues below.
+IDs - the address tuple, with the following exception.
+
+A server that uses a non-zero-length connection ID SHOULD handle Initial packets

To me it seems that we generally use lower-case for talking about connection IDs, whereas we use upper-case for referring to certain fields (e.g. "Destination Connection ID").

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1037,8 +1037,17 @@ Servers MUST drop other packets that contain unsupported versions.
 
 Packets with a supported version, or no version field, are matched to a
 connection using the connection ID or - for packets with zero-length connection
-IDs - the address tuple.  If the packet doesn't match an existing connection,
-the server continues below.
+IDs - the address tuple, with the following exception.
+
+A server that uses a non-zero-length connection ID SHOULD handle Initial packets

you are right, sorry

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but contain different first ClientHello messages as belonging to= different connections.

This is TLS specific, but then QUIC v1 is TLS specific. I'm just wonde= ring if we can make the text more generic without loss of purpose, and ma= ke the DCID more meaningful at the same time.

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= @kazuho up above you were concerned about a 10 second RTT sample due to= bundling an ACK of an ACK. That should not be an issue because only when t= he largest acked is a retransmittable packet should an RTT sample taken.

But now that I look at the text and pseudocode, the retransmittable qual= ification is missing, so I'll writeup a PR to fix that.

Thank you for the clarification and the PR. They make me less worried ab= out the issue :-)

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= ----==_mimepart_5c01bbd5a4f8f_19ba3f889b4d45b41452a2-- From nobody Fri Nov 30 14:57:47 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C39F130E30 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 14:57:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3C9N6BOH0UEE for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 14:57:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8C9E11274D0 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 14:57:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 14:57:42 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543618662; bh=nvW6lYmHL0WWLDORAuZE5VfSmC704EU0/XvU2A/jBIo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=aw8NlOIaXs58dHqI9uziBwaTLDA5q4SWGHtVdOHNw33zNokXZiUhcSqsmD3U1Jb1y VNO1M8SpGNSYyZLRbB4YUUU2dqU+aaCtEzrwiHLaWSov3wWLIp1CGavP9fQEzskPS7 nu9mGBs6dMijdgjp9baLUq/d9AuaWG5oDNjaDLSU= From: hardie Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] PING is reliably delivered (#2068) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c01c0669e406_19323f85916d45c41049b4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: hardie X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 22:57:46 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c01c0669e406_19323f85916d45c41049b4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 12:30 PM MikkelFJ wrote: > If PING can randomly be retransmitted but does not have to, PING is > useless to the application. > > If PING is never retransmitted, the application can use that signal for > its own purposes such as QoS montoring. > > If PING is always retransmitted, the application can use that to make sure > a connection stays alive by sending one once in a while. > For the heartbeat case, it seems like the application could send a PING frame and continue to send new PING frames until one is acknowledged (since they must be acknowledged). I agree, though, that is a pretty wasteful set of affairs if you're going to need to send a lot of heartbeats. I don't think that strategy for maintain a stable 5 tuple is as necessary with QUIC, though, so the trade-off looks like this to me: Case 1: 1)PING MUST be acknowledged but is not re-transmitted, so a lack of acknowledgement is a clear signal of loss on the path. 2) If you want a heartbeat, you send fresh PINGs until you get an acknowledgement of one of them (and count the ones that did not get acknowledged as lost). Case 2: 1) PING MUST be acknowledged and MUST be re-transmitted, so a single PING is sufficient to create a heartbeat for the connection/application. 2) Each re-transmission is a signal of either loss or significant delay along the path. If we think heartbeats over lossy connections are going to be common, I'd go with two. If we don't, I'd go with one. I agree that having "might be retransmitted" is the worst option. Just my two cents, Ted > -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2068#issuecomment-443365021 ----==_mimepart_5c01c0669e406_19323f85916d45c41049b4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 12:30 PM MikkelFJ <notifications@github.com>= ; wrote:

> If PING can randomly be retransmitted but does not have to, PING is<= br> > useless to the application.
>
> If PING is never retransmitted, the application can use that signal = for
> its own purposes such as QoS montoring.
>
> If PING is always retransmitted, the application can use that to mak= e sure
> a connection stays alive by sending one once in a while.
>

For the heartbeat case, it seems like the application could send a PING frame and continue to send new PING frames until one is acknowledged (sin= ce
they must be acknowledged). I agree, though, that is a pretty wasteful s= et
of affairs if you're going to need to send a lot of heartbeats. I do= n't
think that strategy for maintain a stable 5 tuple is as necessary with QUIC, though, so the trade-off looks like this to me:

Case 1:

1)PING MUST be acknowledged but is not re-transmitted, so a lack of
acknowledgement is a clear signal of loss on the path.

2) If you want a heartbeat, you send fresh PINGs until you get an
acknowledgement of one of them (and count the ones that did not get
acknowledged as lost).

Case 2:

1) PING MUST be acknowledged and MUST be re-transmitted, so a single PING=
is sufficient to create a heartbeat for the connection/application.

2) Each re-transmission is a signal of either loss or significant delay along the path.

If we think heartbeats over lossy connections are going to be common, I&#= 39;d
go with two. If we don't, I'd go with one. I agree that having = "might be
retransmitted" is the worst option.

Just my two cents,

Ted

>

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----==_mimepart_5c01c7bd44b84_18ea3fde8ded45bc269228-- From nobody Fri Nov 30 15:56:11 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A902112D7F8 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 15:56:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DWKyqRwJpGNv for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 15:56:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C4FA126F72 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 15:56:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=3gKssm0Q7AF8jOiw+xfQZyHCW2U=; b=kYsIqfUmeL6Nhz00 CYrgsYQHWe/gI5kW5fWWvbpjYZ+iefd82CIMu3BAQV3/wDuZ24O0x0eQ2t2O7OkB sqTAnkylj9xw1kN9gGY3ZyKo3VAfY30q175a4lPhcXUbkzCQmV9TRhhd9Go6jx80 WhoGjMK5/tjApGVnxbLm1bCBFDo= Received: by filter0767p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0767p1las1-9544-5C01CE16-36 2018-11-30 23:56:06.756881115 +0000 UTC m=+1300801.211048886 Received: from github-lowworker-05ceafd.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.40]) by ismtpd0012p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id VuNCMIjnQImqiWKaxI9f_w for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 23:56:06.655 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-05ceafd.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CB03461471 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 15:56:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 23:56:06 +0000 (UTC) From: Ryan Hamilton Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] endpoints don't know how many connection IDs the peer is willing to store (#1994) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c01ce169b31a_17043f8071cd45c097794"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: RyanAtGoogle X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0MrNKonpKNgUko7ZlUQneJ/AvuqMIlbAPwXD 3N4BDZhir8VNEUdYzEUF4ino3eyM8JBzRgV37JO33qaW6hj9pFLOuOSkbBN8k0WszcfyQNiTuWzizo B91G/lFGjy4zysZQqzz4yHv+e5MTrigTgA1QhGtyMV+0DieyogPO8r6QCU/5ye2u583qtHKm978jPX I= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 23:56:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c01ce169b31a_17043f8071cd45c097794 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree with ianswett here. If there's a limit that an endpoint is allowed= =0D to set on the number of connection IDs that it stores, it should=0D communicate that limit to the peer. Anything else seems like it sets us up= =0D for subtle interop bugs down the road. (And if I have a limit which the=0D peer knows and exceeds, then closing the connection seems great.)=0D =0D On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 12:25 PM ianswett wrote:= =0D =0D > The current default number of ids is 8, which I think is wrong. However,= =0D > the design team thought it was reasonable.=0D >=0D > I think the fact my preferences are so different is an indication=0D > one-size-fits-all is wrong, so I favor adding this transport param.=0D >=0D > Re: closing the connection, I'm going to have to do something if I receiv= e=0D > too many, and it's really easy to not send too many, and it's really=0D > obvious when the connection is closed, so I think it's the more=0D > straightforward way to implement this.=0D >=0D > But ask @ekr said, if a peer indicates a value,= =0D > it should be the target, unless you can't supply that many.=0D >=0D > =E2=80=94=0D > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.=0D > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub=0D > ,=0D > or mute the thread=0D > =0D > .=0D >=0D =0D =0D -- =0D You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.=0D Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub:=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1994#issuecomment-443375260= ----==_mimepart_5c01ce169b31a_17043f8071cd45c097794 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree with ianswett here. If there's a limit that an endpoint is allo= wed
=0D to set on the number of connection IDs that it stores, it should
=0D communicate that limit to the peer. Anything else seems like it sets us up<= br>=0D for subtle interop bugs down the road. (And if I have a limit which the
= =0D peer knows and exceeds, then closing the connection seems great.)
=0D
=0D On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 12:25 PM ianswett <notifications@github.com> = wrote:
=0D
=0D > The current default number of ids is 8, which I think is wrong. Howeve= r,
=0D > the design team thought it was reasonable.
=0D >
=0D > I think the fact my preferences are so different is an indication
= =0D > one-size-fits-all is wrong, so I favor adding this transport param.=0D >
=0D > Re: closing the connection, I'm going to have to do something if I= receive
=0D > too many, and it's really easy to not send too many, and it's = really
=0D > obvious when the connection is closed, so I think it's the more=0D > straightforward way to implement this.
=0D >
=0D > But ask @ekr <https://github.com/ekr> said, if a peer indicates = a value,
=0D > it should be the target, unless you can't supply that many.
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=0D request that resource. But since the client does not yet know that a push=
=0D promise for that URL is impending, what should it do? It seems like it mu= st
=0D chose between either letting all requests go to the network until the
= =0D corresponding PUSH_PROMISE arrives or block all requests from hitting the=
=0D network until the PUSH_PROMISE arrives. Neither option seems terribly
= =0D satisfying. Is there another option for the client in this situation?
= =0D
=0D On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 2:49 PM Martin Thomson <notifications@github.c= om>
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With HTTP/2, the initial HEADERS frame carries the priority informatio= n for the request. I wonder if instead of introducing an INITIAL_PRIORITY= frame it would be simpler to bundle this initial priority information in= to the HEADERS frame instead. That would have the advantage of matching H= TTP/2.

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No, it's a trade-off and that's the down-side. The fact that it's got a= DUPLICATE_PUSH could cause it to briefly delay requests for URLs = it discovers in hopes that the PUSH_PROMISE arrives soon, or perhaps it iss= ues requests and then cancels them when the PUSH_PROMISE arrives. I'd love= to have some first-order hint, like the resource URI, but that's painfully= cross-layer.

Of course, the same situation exists today, albeit with lower odds. If = the PUSH_PROMISE headers are blocked in the QPACK encoder, but you choose t= o buffer the frame so you can keep reading the response, what do you do cur= rently? If you block reading on the response, that's even worse than faili= ng to send requests to the network....

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= ----==_mimepart_5c01d818cd85_17243ffbcf8d45b81125b6-- From nobody Fri Nov 30 16:46:58 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD0AA128CB7 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 16:46:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M2Bz0cFtgljM for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 16:46:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A72C7131090 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 16:46:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 16:46:53 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543625213; bh=b7RX1DNC9jEvQtfoaXxbcpc87Oss4opF2cDLO2mWIJs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=XY6nJB0mgiqklGPPAJhhQDLmqsRKcbIQii2EceQ2LtiiPhrVVMX+lw4nb1JJgxxvL NLsonrJ8/tuXPI4UuCmzN2WCVIqDoTSJG7D6/c4unHP71bfOKelESkueaI8oQ3MUWI mWUVnfShodL7OxW8AZK+pW+y22tTyefZIH/v7cgI= From: Ryan Hamilton Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Push promise history to detect conflicting header field values (#1864) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c01d9fdbc244_60b63fe275ed45bc261658"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: RyanAtGoogle X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2018 00:46:57 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c01d9fdbc244_60b63fe275ed45bc261658 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 4:38 PM Mike Bishop wrote: > No, it's a trade-off and that's the down-side. The fact that it's got a > DUPLICATE_PUSH *could* cause it to briefly delay requests for URLs it > discovers in hopes that the PUSH_PROMISE arrives soon, or perhaps it issues > requests and then cancels them when the PUSH_PROMISE arrives. I'd love to > have some first-order hint, like the resource URI, but that's painfully > cross-layer. > Fair point. It'd be worth mentioning the client's options in PR#2072, I think? > Of course, the same situation exists today, albeit with lower odds. If the > PUSH_PROMISE headers are blocked in the QPACK encoder, but you choose to > buffer the frame so you can keep reading the response, what do you do > currently? If you block reading on the response, that's even worse than > failing to send requests to the network.... > We're working feverishly to implement QPACK and wire it up, so we don't have this problem yet :) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1864#issuecomment-443382600 ----==_mimepart_5c01d9fdbc244_60b63fe275ed45bc261658 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 4:38 PM Mike Bishop <notifications@github.com&= gt;
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> No, it's a trade-off and that's the down-side. The fact that= it's got a
> DUPLICATE_PUSH *could* cause it to briefly delay requests for URLs i= t
> discovers in hopes that the PUSH_PROMISE arrives soon, or perhaps it= issues
> requests and then cancels them when the PUSH_PROMISE arrives. I'= d love to
> have some first-order hint, like the resource URI, but that's pa= infully
> cross-layer.
>
Fair point. It'd be worth mentioning the client's options in PR#2= 072, I
think?

> Of course, the same situation exists today, albeit with lower odds. = If the
> PUSH_PROMISE headers are blocked in the QPACK encoder, but you choos= e to
> buffer the frame so you can keep reading the response, what do you d= o
> currently? If you block reading on the response, that's even wor= se than
> failing to send requests to the network....
>
We're working feverishly to implement QPACK and wire it up, so we don= 't
have this problem yet :)

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I was thinking about this as a fix to ER, but I'm now convinced that this is a better framing. I'm suggesting some editorial changes in #2080, but I'm quite happy with the direction this is heading in.

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----==_mimepart_5c01e1165f09e_7c9c3fe934cd45bc71004-- From nobody Fri Nov 30 17:17:48 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6929C130DC4 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 17:17:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 89NiKXMGI6vD for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 17:17:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CEEF812D7F8 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 17:17:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 17:17:44 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543627064; bh=ZohP5enPnmvh09vGJzxHGQzcgTVg5DhlGHxYujEnan8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Q9boIo7F8v/ENFx+GIbLiZenbGr8s9h3w4zvHq0NUp+NZ0NcHTLEEw2jlt3WlflKW itJUeBYMtP0b+bgYbCX8l3ge++6+5NW/wbTllkO1pDDeTROb5ufXcv8ntUuYGGCARe crnatDzhVxPiUpuO6DNCbJ73FbHUqlDT8ZsmIIpI= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Define INITIAL_PRIORITY frame and remove exclusive dependencies (#2075) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c01e138271db_2dbc3f84464d45b8422cd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2018 01:17:46 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c01e138271db_2dbc3f84464d45b8422cd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @RyanAtGoogle > I wonder if instead of introducing an INITIAL_PRIORITY frame it would be simpler to bundle this initial priority information into the HEADERS frame instead. That would have the advantage of matching HTTP/2. I am afraid that creates a race condition. If a PRIORITY frame of stream X says that it depends on stream Y, and if PRIORITY frame of stream Y says it depends on X, the server cannot tell which to apply first. IIUC, the observation behind this PR is that the ordering between INITIAL_PRIORITY and PRIORITY frames can be recovered; i.e., any reference to a stream from a PRIORITY frame is guaranteed to occur after the INITIAL_PRIORITY frame of that frame is issued. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2075#issuecomment-443386238 ----==_mimepart_5c01e138271db_2dbc3f84464d45b8422cd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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I wonder if instead of introducing an INITIAL_PRIORITY frame it would = be simpler to bundle this initial priority information into the HEADERS f= rame instead. That would have the advantage of matching HTTP/2.

I am afraid that creates a race condition. If a PRIORITY frame of stre= am X says that it depends on stream Y, and if PRIORITY frame of stream Y = says it depends on X, the server cannot tell which to apply first. IIUC, = the observation behind this PR is that the ordering between INITIAL_PRIOR= ITY and PRIORITY frames can be recovered; i.e., any reference to a stream= from a PRIORITY frame is guaranteed to occur after the INITIAL_PRIORITY = frame of that frame is issued.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +
+~~~~~~~~~~  drawing
+ 0                   1                   2                   3
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|DT |   Empty   |           Element Dependency ID (i)         ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|   Weight (8)  |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+~~~~~~~~~~
+{: #fig-initial-priority title="INITIAL_PRIORITY frame payload"}
+
+The INITIAL_PRIORITY frame payload has the following fields:
+
+  Dependency Type:
+  : A two-bit field indicating the type of element being depended on.

Considering the fact that we are changing the definition of the PRIORITY frame, it might make sense to change the order of the flags and fields as well.

Specifically, we can move the PT to the end of the flags and PEID to the end of the fields. That would help us having a unified decoder for the two frames. Additionally, we might call PEID an optional field that only exists when the frame is sent over a control stream, thereby unifiying the frame definition to one.

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=0D > In the recovery draft, RTT is briefly spelled out in section 5 but i= s used
=0D > in several earlier sections. SRTT and PTO are not explained at all, = it
=0D > seems. TLP is spelled out. RTO has a section of its own but it refer= enced
=0D > before that.
=0D >
=0D > The recovery doc cannot be a tutorial on transmission theory, but it= would
=0D > be helpful to list the key acronyms and possibly reference an RFC wi= th more
=0D > details. There are already sections summarising key variables in
= =0D > pseudocode. There are references at the end, but the reader would ha= ve to
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The text in 3.1 and 3.2 is inconsistent about using "sending part" and "send stream". Because bidi streams aren't a pair of uni streams, this is confusing. It would help to either clarify or use "sending part" or something.

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The easiest thing to implement is to use an RTT sample per packet. In the absence of newer information, it's hard to know what the right answer is. I'm open to any data you (or anyone else) might have that recommends better multipliers.

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On the other hand, "conversation" is not defined in this document; it is a superfluous addition. "Encryption context" is similarly not defined and the only reference to it removed in this change. 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A receiver cannot renege on an advertisement however. That is, once a receiver advertises an offset, advertising a smaller offset has no effect. A sender MUST therefore ignore any MAX_STREAM_DATA or MAX_DATA frames that do not increase flow control limits. ``` It seems like it would be more helpful if implementations were to remember the PN of the last advertisement and generate an error in this case. I get that this would be more work, but why is this prohibited? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2082 ----==_mimepart_5c01ec432d3e0_76583f8004ed45b84396b3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

S 4.1. says:

A receiver can advertise a larger offset by sending MAX_STREAM_DATA or MAX_DATA
frames at any time during the connection.  A receiver cannot renege on an
advertisement however.  That is, once a receiver advertises an offset,
advertising a smaller offset has no effect.  A sender MUST therefore ignore any
MAX_STREAM_DATA or MAX_DATA frames that do not increase flow control limits.

It seems like it would be more helpful if implementations were to remember the PN of the last advertisement and generate an error in this case. I get that this would be more work, but why is this prohibited?

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----==_mimepart_5c01ec432d3e0_76583f8004ed45b84396b3-- From nobody Fri Nov 30 18:05:09 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEAE21293FB for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 18:04:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.459 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.459 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id miAnYbolxg5a for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 18:04:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2144712D4EF for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 18:04:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 18:04:51 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543629891; bh=7OM9jDYqgHhcn8z5M41RgMK9pZ+n2iPIfnEaxUqDa8g=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=zfC/HUDYyRcF5lzS8yf0INVQEF4lOffO9MbXFnEuLAm5auHkS0Zi1CW4BCwJvXUk8 2T6Of0gZdZCltL97rHacNNg+cEgpWtJFWJmeotUmjJYwCgcYCr44BcowjKkKuclOWa 7NwObv5Bcie9W5aj4IYRT21oC07s6enwhWk3UDN4= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Do no define connection as a conversation (#2077) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c01ec43473e4_74fa3f9d24ad45c082417d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2018 02:04:55 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c01ec43473e4_74fa3f9d24ad45c082417d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merged #2077 into master. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2077#event-1999292926 ----==_mimepart_5c01ec43473e4_74fa3f9d24ad45c082417d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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This document leaves when and how many bytes to advertise in a MAX_STREAM_DATA
or MAX_DATA frame to implementations, but offers a few considerations.  These
frames contribute to connection overhead.  Therefore frequently sending frames
with small changes is undesirable.  At the same time, larger increments to
limits are necessary to avoid blocking if updates are less frequent, requiring
larger resource commitments at the receiver.  Thus there is a trade-off between
resource commitment and overhead when determining how large a limit is
advertised.

A receiver MAY use an autotuning mechanism to tune the frequency and amount of
advertised additional credit based on a round-trip time estimate and the rate at
which the receiving application consumes data, similar to common TCP
implementations.

In light of the first paragraph which says that I can do whatever I want, what is the purpose of this MAY? It seems like you should either recommend that people do this or just remove the normative language.

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S 5.1. says

Connection IDs MUST NOT contain any information that can be used by to correlate
them with other connection IDs for the same connection.  As a trivial example,
this means the same connection ID MUST NOT be issued more than once on the same
connection.

At minimum this needs to be restricted to endpoints and other elements associated with them (like load balancers) because they need to be able to correlate connection IDs. But this is also a very strong condition, and in some cases will basically mandate encryption.

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We discussed this in #1612 and decided to not prohibit this.

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which it can use when sending packets.  When the endpoint wishes to remove a
connection ID from use, it sends a RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frame to its peer,
indicating that the peer might bring a new connection ID into circulation using
the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame.

This text is very weak. Don't we expect peers to bring new connection IDs into circulation when they receive RETIRE_CID? Shouldn't we say so.

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----==_mimepart_5c01ee94608ff_27023fbd68ed45bc39047b-- From nobody Fri Nov 30 18:16:29 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D2C412D7F8 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 18:16:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qPY6lZX_A4Eb for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 18:16:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 56F5A12D4EF for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 18:16:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 18:16:24 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543630584; bh=6zmc/ESs/lwjWqcI6qHkFBBuWLI1kJPkoJBgGtzKhdc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=kpuOyW/iVWd0J4alDwLblT4WhAP32Qwkl0YgQ4Ge5VGAt+pbOjPN+Es0Sx1L6GymG ABcP3MhYEDKhxomQoWyXE2etp7Kta+jk13axTrW+kVTLT+b8bciQ0BtpbT1TFKwOyq ISB9Q9CJwGmRarV0Z6l/ZTDvseBMARDr2rYY3S80= From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Zero-length CIDs (#2086) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c01eef8851d1_54e33fb5a22d45b490131"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2018 02:16:28 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c01eef8851d1_54e33fb5a22d45b490131 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ``` If the Destination Connection ID is zero length and the packet matches the address/port tuple of a connection where the host did not require connection IDs, QUIC processes the packet as part of that connection. Endpoints MUST drop packets with zero-length Destination Connection ID fields if they do not correspond to a single connection. ``` How could this happen? The recipient knows if a given tuple is unique, so it shouldn't issue zero-length DCIDs for that tuple. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2086 ----==_mimepart_5c01eef8851d1_54e33fb5a22d45b490131 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 
If the Destination Connection ID is zero length and the packet matches the
address/port tuple of a connection where the host did not require connection
IDs, QUIC processes the packet as part of that connection. Endpoints MUST drop
packets with zero-length Destination Connection ID fields if they do not
correspond to a single connection.

How could this happen? The recipient knows if a given tuple is unique, so it shouldn't issue zero-length DCIDs for that tuple.

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----==_mimepart_5c01eef8851d1_54e33fb5a22d45b490131-- From nobody Fri Nov 30 18:17:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A57212D4EF for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 18:17:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zHyeYVcI_WVb for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 18:17:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F35021293FB for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 18:17:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 18:17:48 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543630668; bh=MaOY5SeWH92/70rj2ZA38OL19EH7Tpu+cq6wFO5P6/s=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=LVtPNMHVBlJt4pD28XDJfMXQYw92mfaVu7e546D+TuAhWNVXECuzuUonoSQE2CbYd S0uaVRzom/VgliaGEdBUXGp32xk9TNBA4OnkKTc1RRPaTZesuu/vxUHizVv4TazT7b Te0ne0d+Pr1F6wV8XxXS5ZLOLXQXO628uzhTCOdE= From: erickinnear Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Retiring connection IDs (#2085) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c01ef4c3e8ae_27763fac58ad45b42938d3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: erickinnear X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2018 02:17:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c01ef4c3e8ae_27763fac58ad45b42938d3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, I thought at one point that it was a SHOULD? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2085#issuecomment-443391309 ----==_mimepart_5c01ef4c3e8ae_27763fac58ad45b42938d3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Yeah, I thought at one point that it was a SHOULD?

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Well, I think this was wrongly decided, but I'm willing to accept the = consensus on the normative effect, but then this language is terrible, be= cause it just looks like a clumsily written levy on the sender. Instead i= t should say:

"That is, once a receiver advertises an offset, it MAY send a packet w= ith a smaller offset, but this has no effect."

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Commit Summary

  • Punctuation
  • You transition to Ready when the remote creates a bidirectional stream,
  • More clarifications
  • Some more editorial cleanup and clarification

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In HTTP/2, end of a message was EOS, with the only exception being the <= code>CONNECT method. IIRC that was an intentional choice; that's one= of the reasons RFC 8441 uses CONNECT instead of GET = when opening a WebSocket channel.