From nobody Sat Dec 1 00:38:10 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BC67126CB6 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2018 00:38:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ahk4GKrqIrHX for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2018 00:38:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C66CE12426E for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2018 00:38:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2018 00:38:05 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543653485; bh=uxyl123jEgdSXy2PVLroc4BtCZI+MWKGF5WMxMernjE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=14TYJ5Pj5VfGr2vBBLVi/cxmNXnz1l54j/4mdyX0b6ToU2nPYFKU3VDTU9p+nzzFA Kpvem2++Cih128uDev38/Q191EaQpnwg74dFFBPRSrLuUDNIfkvTBh+ZcUD60h5ojL ZQfL0M7xC3/Y67MPJ5oHc228ceHRrZ3fY5TSN+h4= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Why ignore MAX_STREAM_DATA or MAX_DATA that don't increase the flow control limits (#2082) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c02486d17522_46fb3ffa0bcd45c01926221"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2018 08:38:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c02486d17522_46fb3ffa0bcd45c01926221 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It would be wasteful to track all that state for very little benefit. Reordering us likely, invalid max sequencing less so. For future multipath it would get complicated. A peer could also schedule packets out of order due to concurrent pipelines, so checking PN could be damaging. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2082#issuecomment-443410379 ----==_mimepart_5c02486d17522_46fb3ffa0bcd45c01926221 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It would be wasteful to track all that state for very little benefit. = Reordering us likely, invalid max sequencing less so. For future multipat= h it would get complicated.

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It should contain "by an external observer". I believe there is other text mentioning coordination with load balancers when constructing CID's. It is a strong condition - without it all other work on preventing linkage is more or less useless.

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Yeah, it is more like recipients MUST not issue 0-length CID's in that case. And MUST drop non-issued CID's.

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Thanks Jana, I think this is a nice improvement on my PR > -fraction of an RTT, but implementations MAY experiment with absolute -thresholds. The RECOMMENDED time threshold, expressed as a fraction -of the round-trip time (kTimeThreshold), is 1/8. - -An endpoint SHOULD declare packets lost no earlier than -(1 + kTimeThreshold) * max(SRTT, latest_RTT) after when they were -sent. If packets sent prior to the largest acknowledged packet cannot yet -be declared lost, then a timer SHOULD be set for the remaining time. +{{?RFC6675}}, and RACK {{?RACK=I-D.ietf-tcpm-rack}}. This section provides an +overview of how these algorithms are implemented in QUIC. + +When an ACK frame is received that newly acknowledges a packet, a QUIC sender +uses two thresholds to determine if prior packets should be declared lost. A +packet is declared lost under the following conditions: + +* it has a smaller packet number than the newly acknowledged packet, I would prefer merging the first two bullets because I think it might flow better. ie: "The packet is retransmittable, unacknowledged, and was sent prior to an acknowledged packet." The removal of the mention of packet number was to capture the concept a bit more and we talk about packet number in the next bullet. Also, we typically capitalize the first letter after the *, which I think looks better. > @@ -596,13 +570,14 @@ kMaxTLPs: The RECOMMENDED value is 2. kPacketThreshold: -: Maximum reordering in packet number space before FACK style loss detection +: Maximum reordering in packets before packet threshold loss detection ```suggestion : Maximum reordering in packets before packet threshold loss detection ``` > -#### Time Threshold - -Time threshold loss detection uses a time threshold to determine how much -reordering to tolerate. In this document, the threshold is expressed as a -fraction of an RTT, but implementations MAY experiment with absolute -thresholds. The RECOMMENDED time threshold, expressed as a fraction -of the round-trip time (kTimeThreshold), is 1/8. - -An endpoint SHOULD declare packets lost no earlier than -(1 + kTimeThreshold) * max(SRTT, latest_RTT) after when they were -sent. If packets sent prior to the largest acknowledged packet cannot yet -be declared lost, then a timer SHOULD be set for the remaining time. +{{?RFC6675}}, and RACK {{?RACK=I-D.ietf-tcpm-rack}}. This section provides an +overview of how these algorithms are implemented in QUIC. + +When an ACK frame is received that newly acknowledges a packet, a QUIC sender I'm now thinking we should drop newly because we also trigger loss on a timer. If there's something subtle we're trying to say there, we should probably make it more explicit? At some point, we discussed basing loss detection on the largest recently acknowledged packet(ie: in the last ACK), but I don't think that's what the pseudocode does and I don't think that's what the current gQUIC code does. If we want to discuss that, maybe add a paragraph that the algorithm may be enhanced by doing so and it may reduce spurious retransmits in some cases? > +upon detecting loss. Implementations that detect spurious retransmissions and +increase the reordering threshold in packets or time MAY choose to start with +smaller initial reordering thresholds to minimize recovery latency. + +### Packet Threshold + +The RECOMMENDED initial value for the packet reordering threshold +(kPacketThreshold) is 3, based on TCP loss detection {{?RFC5681}} {{?RFC6675}}. + +Some networks may exhibit higher degrees of reordering, causing a sender to +detect spurious losses. Implementers MAY use algorithms developed for TCP, such +as TCP-NCR {{?RFC4653}}, to improve QUIC's reordering resilience. + +### Time Threshold {#time-threshold} + +Ack-based loss detection uses a time threshold to determine how much reordering I find changing this sentence to start with "Ack-based" is confusing, because there's also the packet number threshold. How about dropping this first sentence entirely, since I think it's said better above? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2080#pullrequestreview-180523967 ----==_mimepart_5c02924e34b5_3ff43f95394d45b41216077 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Thanks Jana, I think this is a nice improvement on my PR

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I'm now thinking we should drop newly because we also trigger loss on = a timer. If there's something subtle we're trying to say there, we shoul= d probably make it more explicit?

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At some point, we discussed basing loss detection on the largest recen= tly acknowledged packet(ie: in the last ACK), but I don't think that's wh= at the pseudocode does and I don't think that's what the current gQUIC co= de does. If we want to discuss that, maybe add a paragraph that the algo= rithm may be enhanced by doing so and it may reduce spurious retransmits = in some cases?

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I find changing this sentence to start with "Ack-based" is confusing, = because there's also the packet number threshold.

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How about dropping this first sentence entirely, since I think it's sa= id better above?

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= =0D =0D = ----==_mimepart_5c02924e34b5_3ff43f95394d45b41216077-- From nobody Sat Dec 1 06:53:19 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EE231271FF for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2018 06:53:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j9_p8iTwSX82 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2018 06:53:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 04F0C123FFD for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2018 06:53:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2018 06:53:14 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543675994; bh=XG5KQuR02I15czOJlFld4+mM/fuZiI+aFiEqfzx3KlA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=XiMwfAYPrfz14kAnzeteol9vMpmxPoD02zxr300z5Fw3hPyZ0AyqZmVVtpycSTLLR eOxyy/AY2DqinAsqDi521QPLvmWre+yHHh9JUMgccVg1tlib2/XFr/ilhEdlyMYfc1 x47Hsuing4NZMhQzOM53ntW8zVr3MTGef032lxTo= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Retiring connection IDs (#2085) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c02a05a95eb0_40333f95394d45b4324791f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2018 14:53:18 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c02a05a95eb0_40333f95394d45b4324791f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SHOULD seems reasonable, with the usual caveats that there may be limits on how many CIDs a peer can generate. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2085#issuecomment-443431759 ----==_mimepart_5c02a05a95eb0_40333f95394d45b4324791f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

SHOULD seems reasonable, with the usual caveats that there may be limits on how many CIDs a peer can generate.

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To prevent the possibility of two servers being tricked into sending endless VN packets between themselves, a server should never respond to a VN packet.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2088

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  • Server Ignore VN Packets

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----==_mimepart_5c02ced95db06_5e443fc32c6d45b43644df-- From nobody Sat Dec 1 12:20:55 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 299E6130E46 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2018 12:20:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C8UV1sTCnIIj for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2018 12:20:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A3E2130DFE for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2018 12:20:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2018 12:20:46 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543695646; bh=/h+heExevK03nb96/2HZbXaLe1hoA1E4++HuL/NxslE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=lUxPIV4c2KIhIap35oGMp5F5XkBhzGFMOdZbfcWZZQQxJyYLVaOq+uMPstT3ArASo X9PB7NJGBp74IaC25Pvce4JJ63kbnFaSyMgc79hx7cF3ORJtRDvSmOasZXHB68c/Sz Es0azAzTAv4yrPevcvlEh308RhTOSutzEfsm4sMY= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Server Ignore VN Packets (#2088) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c02ed1e1b1e5_6e4a3fa95c0d45b816493b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2018 20:20:51 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c02ed1e1b1e5_6e4a3fa95c0d45b816493b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think this is a sensible change, but is there ever a good reason for either client or server to respond to a VN with a VN? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2088#issuecomment-443455513 ----==_mimepart_5c02ed1e1b1e5_6e4a3fa95c0d45b816493b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think this is a sensible change, but is there ever a good reason for either client or server to respond to a VN with a VN?

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I agree the MAY isn't doing anything here.

The one thing I think should be encouraged is bundling flow control updates with other data instead of sending them in their own packets, since the frames themselves are very small.

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The client repeats the token in all Initial packets. Also clarifies that the token is sent in Initial in a few spots.

https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/quic/current/msg05071.html

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This -token is repeated by the client in an Initial packet after it receives the Retry -packet. In response to receiving a token in an Initial packet, a server can -either abort the connection or permit it to proceed. +token is repeated by the client in all Initial packets after it receives the The future version of this text, below, uses a MUST repeat. Suggest using MUST here as well. > @@ -1614,17 +1614,19 @@ token was issued and any connection where it is used. Clients that want to break continuity of identity with a server MAY discard tokens provided using the NEW_TOKEN frame. Tokens obtained in Retry packets MUST NOT be discarded. -A client SHOULD NOT reuse a token. Reusing a token allows connections to be -linked by entities on the network path (see {{migration-linkability}}). A -client MUST NOT reuse a token if it believes that its point of network -attachment has changed since the token was last used; that is, if there is a -change in its local IP address or network interface. A client needs to start -the connection process over if it migrates prior to completing the handshake. +A client SHOULD NOT reuse a token in different connections. Reusing a token +allows connections to be linked by entities on the network path +(see {{migration-linkability}}). A client MUST NOT reuse a token if it +believes that its point of network attachment has changed since the token was +last used; that is, if there is a change in its local IP address or network +interface. A client needs to start the connection process over if it migrates +prior to completing the handshake. Maybe this is getting ahead of other discussions, but a client SHOULD not repeat also because the server MAY reject repeated tokens. > When a server receives an Initial packet with an address validation token, it -SHOULD attempt to validate it. If the token is invalid then the server SHOULD -proceed as if the client did not have a validated address, including potentially -sending a Retry. If the validation succeeds, the server SHOULD then allow the +SHOULD attempt to validate it, unless it has already completed address +validation. If the token is invalid then the server SHOULD proceed as if +the client did not have a validated address, including potentially sending +a Retry. If the validation succeeds, the server SHOULD then allow the handshake to proceed. And here text might be placed on server MAY reject repeat tokens? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2089#pullrequestreview-180538707 ----==_mimepart_5c02fbf4a26d0_4e243fe1deed45b872778f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@mikkelfj commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  Upon receiving the client's Initial packet, the server can request address
 validation by sending a Retry packet ({{packet-retry}}) containing a token. This
-token is repeated by the client in an Initial packet after it receives the Retry
-packet.  In response to receiving a token in an Initial packet, a server can
-either abort the connection or permit it to proceed.
+token is repeated by the client in all Initial packets after it receives the

The future version of this text, below, uses a MUST repeat. Suggest using MUST here as well.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1614,17 +1614,19 @@ token was issued and any connection where it is used.  Clients that want to
 break continuity of identity with a server MAY discard tokens provided using the
 NEW_TOKEN frame.  Tokens obtained in Retry packets MUST NOT be discarded.
 
-A client SHOULD NOT reuse a token.  Reusing a token allows connections to be
-linked by entities on the network path (see {{migration-linkability}}).  A
-client MUST NOT reuse a token if it believes that its point of network
-attachment has changed since the token was last used; that is, if there is a
-change in its local IP address or network interface.  A client needs to start
-the connection process over if it migrates prior to completing the handshake.
+A client SHOULD NOT reuse a token in different connections. Reusing a token
+allows connections to be linked by entities on the network path
+(see {{migration-linkability}}).  A client MUST NOT reuse a token if it
+believes that its point of network attachment has changed since the token was
+last used; that is, if there is a change in its local IP address or network
+interface.  A client needs to start the connection process over if it migrates
+prior to completing the handshake.

Maybe this is getting ahead of other discussions, but a client SHOULD not repeat also because the server MAY reject repeated tokens.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 When a server receives an Initial packet with an address validation token, it
-SHOULD attempt to validate it.  If the token is invalid then the server SHOULD
-proceed as if the client did not have a validated address, including potentially
-sending a Retry. If the validation succeeds, the server SHOULD then allow the
+SHOULD attempt to validate it, unless it has already completed address
+validation.  If the token is invalid then the server SHOULD proceed as if
+the client did not have a validated address, including potentially sending
+a Retry. If the validation succeeds, the server SHOULD then allow the
 handshake to proceed.

And here text might be placed on server MAY reject repeat tokens?

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I also wonder - what about the probably many other invalid frames a client or a server could receive. Maybe we need a more generic approach?

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I assume that we will process PR #2064 after this one. I am fine with the text, but I would like something said about server behavior. Client recommendations are mostly enforced when breaking them causes servers to reject packets... > Upon receiving the client's Initial packet, the server can request address validation by sending a Retry packet ({{packet-retry}}) containing a token. This -token is repeated by the client in an Initial packet after it receives the Retry -packet. In response to receiving a token in an Initial packet, a server can -either abort the connection or permit it to proceed. +token is repeated by the client in all Initial packets after it receives the +Retry packet. In response to receiving a token in an Initial packet, a server +can either abort the connection or permit it to proceed. + +As long as it is not possible for an attacker to generate a valid token for +its own address (see {{token-integrity}}) and the client is able to return +that token, it proves to the server that it received the token. Define "proves". The token mechanism may be vulnerable to replay attacks. > @@ -1590,9 +1588,11 @@ amount of data to a client in response to 0-RTT data. The server uses the NEW_TOKEN frame {{frame-new-token}} to provide the client with an address validation token that can be used to validate future -connections. The client may then use this token to validate future connections -by including it in the Initial packet's header. The client MUST NOT use the -token provided in a Retry for future connections. +connections. The client includes this token in Initial packets to provide +address validation in a future connection. The client MUST include the +token in all Initial packets it sends, unless a Retry replaces the token +with a newer token. The client MUST NOT use the token provided in a Retry +for future connections. Yes, "all Initial packets" is what we want. At least it is not ambiguous. There is however a general problem with such recommendations: they are not enforced unless servers behave that way. I would add something at the end: ``` with a newer token. The client MUST NOT use the token provided in a Retry for future connections. Servers MAY reject any Initial packet that does not carry the expected token. ``` I am not sure about the use of the plural in "future connections". Allowing the same token to be reused in multiple connections is potentially dangerous. But that may be work for another PR. > @@ -1614,17 +1614,19 @@ token was issued and any connection where it is used. Clients that want to break continuity of identity with a server MAY discard tokens provided using the NEW_TOKEN frame. Tokens obtained in Retry packets MUST NOT be discarded. -A client SHOULD NOT reuse a token. Reusing a token allows connections to be -linked by entities on the network path (see {{migration-linkability}}). A -client MUST NOT reuse a token if it believes that its point of network -attachment has changed since the token was last used; that is, if there is a -change in its local IP address or network interface. A client needs to start -the connection process over if it migrates prior to completing the handshake. +A client SHOULD NOT reuse a token in different connections. Reusing a token +allows connections to be linked by entities on the network path +(see {{migration-linkability}}). A client MUST NOT reuse a token if it +believes that its point of network attachment has changed since the token was +last used; that is, if there is a change in its local IP address or network +interface. A client needs to start the connection process over if it migrates +prior to completing the handshake. I assume that the text from PR #2064 will be inserted after this paragraph. Again, it is the flip side of the "client SHOULD NOT" clause. Client should not reuse the same token for multiple connections, and servers MAY (or SHOULD?) reject connections that attempt to reuse a token. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2089#pullrequestreview-180541459 ----==_mimepart_5c03163846ae4_5d7b3fb8d50d45bc397f4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@huitema commented on this pull request.

I assume that we will process PR #2064 after this one. I am fine with the text, but I would like something said about server behavior. Client recommendations are mostly enforced when breaking them causes servers to reject packets...

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  Upon receiving the client's Initial packet, the server can request address
 validation by sending a Retry packet ({{packet-retry}}) containing a token. This
-token is repeated by the client in an Initial packet after it receives the Retry
-packet.  In response to receiving a token in an Initial packet, a server can
-either abort the connection or permit it to proceed.
+token is repeated by the client in all Initial packets after it receives the
+Retry packet.  In response to receiving a token in an Initial packet, a server
+can either abort the connection or permit it to proceed.
+
+As long as it is not possible for an attacker to generate a valid token for
+its own address (see {{token-integrity}}) and the client is able to return
+that token, it proves to the server that it received the token.

Define "proves". The token mechanism may be vulnerable to replay attacks.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1590,9 +1588,11 @@ amount of data to a client in response to 0-RTT data.
 
 The server uses the NEW_TOKEN frame {{frame-new-token}} to provide the client
 with an address validation token that can be used to validate future
-connections.  The client may then use this token to validate future connections
-by including it in the Initial packet's header.  The client MUST NOT use the
-token provided in a Retry for future connections.
+connections.  The client includes this token in Initial packets to provide
+address validation in a future connection.  The client MUST include the
+token in all Initial packets it sends, unless a Retry replaces the token
+with a newer token. The client MUST NOT use the token provided in a Retry
+for future connections.

Yes, "all Initial packets" is what we want. At least it is not ambiguous. There is however a general problem with such recommendations: they are not enforced unless servers behave that way. I would add something at the end:

with a newer token. The client MUST NOT use the token provided in a Retry
for future connections. Servers MAY reject any Initial packet that does not
carry the expected token.

I am not sure about the use of the plural in "future connections". Allowing the same token to be reused in multiple connections is potentially dangerous. But that may be work for another PR.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1614,17 +1614,19 @@ token was issued and any connection where it is used.  Clients that want to
 break continuity of identity with a server MAY discard tokens provided using the
 NEW_TOKEN frame.  Tokens obtained in Retry packets MUST NOT be discarded.
 
-A client SHOULD NOT reuse a token.  Reusing a token allows connections to be
-linked by entities on the network path (see {{migration-linkability}}).  A
-client MUST NOT reuse a token if it believes that its point of network
-attachment has changed since the token was last used; that is, if there is a
-change in its local IP address or network interface.  A client needs to start
-the connection process over if it migrates prior to completing the handshake.
+A client SHOULD NOT reuse a token in different connections. Reusing a token
+allows connections to be linked by entities on the network path
+(see {{migration-linkability}}).  A client MUST NOT reuse a token if it
+believes that its point of network attachment has changed since the token was
+last used; that is, if there is a change in its local IP address or network
+interface.  A client needs to start the connection process over if it migrates
+prior to completing the handshake.

I assume that the text from PR #2064 will be inserted after this paragraph. Again, it is the flip side of the "client SHOULD NOT" clause. Client should not reuse the same token for multiple connections, and servers MAY (or SHOULD?) reject connections that attempt to reuse a token.

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This is fine, pending the small suggested tweaks. Though we need to settle on "reject" vs. "discard" to close this one. > Upon receiving the client's Initial packet, the server can request address validation by sending a Retry packet ({{packet-retry}}) containing a token. This -token is repeated by the client in an Initial packet after it receives the Retry -packet. In response to receiving a token in an Initial packet, a server can -either abort the connection or permit it to proceed. +token is repeated by the client in all Initial packets after it receives the ```suggestion token MUST be repeated by the client in all Initial packets it sends after it receives the ``` > Upon receiving the client's Initial packet, the server can request address validation by sending a Retry packet ({{packet-retry}}) containing a token. This -token is repeated by the client in an Initial packet after it receives the Retry -packet. In response to receiving a token in an Initial packet, a server can -either abort the connection or permit it to proceed. +token is repeated by the client in all Initial packets after it receives the +Retry packet. In response to receiving a token in an Initial packet, a server +can either abort the connection or permit it to proceed. + +As long as it is not possible for an attacker to generate a valid token for +its own address (see {{token-integrity}}) and the client is able to return +that token, it proves to the server that it received the token. It only proves that it received it, not when. I think that we can probably defer discussion of the reuse/replay aspects of this. > @@ -1590,9 +1588,11 @@ amount of data to a client in response to 0-RTT data. The server uses the NEW_TOKEN frame {{frame-new-token}} to provide the client with an address validation token that can be used to validate future -connections. The client may then use this token to validate future connections -by including it in the Initial packet's header. The client MUST NOT use the -token provided in a Retry for future connections. +connections. The client includes this token in Initial packets to provide +address validation in a future connection. The client MUST include the +token in all Initial packets it sends, unless a Retry replaces the token +with a newer token. The client MUST NOT use the token provided in a Retry +for future connections. Is the desired action "reject" or "ignore/discard"? I would say either is OK, though I might be inclined more toward the latter (on the basis that spoofing implies DoS). > @@ -1614,17 +1614,19 @@ token was issued and any connection where it is used. Clients that want to break continuity of identity with a server MAY discard tokens provided using the NEW_TOKEN frame. Tokens obtained in Retry packets MUST NOT be discarded. -A client SHOULD NOT reuse a token. Reusing a token allows connections to be -linked by entities on the network path (see {{migration-linkability}}). A -client MUST NOT reuse a token if it believes that its point of network -attachment has changed since the token was last used; that is, if there is a -change in its local IP address or network interface. A client needs to start -the connection process over if it migrates prior to completing the handshake. +A client SHOULD NOT reuse a token in different connections. Reusing a token +allows connections to be linked by entities on the network path +(see {{migration-linkability}}). A client MUST NOT reuse a token if it +believes that its point of network attachment has changed since the token was +last used; that is, if there is a change in its local IP address or network +interface. A client needs to start the connection process over if it migrates +prior to completing the handshake. @huitema has it right here. We are adding text in #2064 that should help. > When a server receives an Initial packet with an address validation token, it -SHOULD attempt to validate it. If the token is invalid then the server SHOULD -proceed as if the client did not have a validated address, including potentially -sending a Retry. If the validation succeeds, the server SHOULD then allow the +SHOULD attempt to validate it, unless it has already completed address +validation. If the token is invalid then the server SHOULD proceed as if +the client did not have a validated address, including potentially sending +a Retry. If the validation succeeds, the server SHOULD then allow the handshake to proceed. #2064. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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= =0D =0D = ----==_mimepart_5c034b40eae1_6ee93fa95c0d45b85139b0-- From nobody Sat Dec 1 22:28:09 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 837DA1276D0 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2018 22:28:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sFU0ueNevUm2 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2018 22:28:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 90B24126BED for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2018 22:28:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2018 22:28:05 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543732085; bh=zpG4KaeIqy4+S6RmJMvmae2iHylRAmW6POhA7q2tyXs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=KrUCyB6en41jNTT076ftc/8tx/2iRPwWWfD6JzQCoLV/+8Tdd5gkE4TjThMn2h9/d 4jkMkdO7m20aGg4/cRN1Out97oAyRGlikOjQV1/fr3BPieIsTkMgfHa4Ngi168jwDp rqloMRfPFWJbje7VRa+d22VTnSmgBj+F992oLi50= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] PING is reliably delivered (#2068) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c037b756747b_607f3fc32c6d45b4393468"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2018 06:28:08 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c037b756747b_607f3fc32c6d45b4393468 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wait a minute. I have currently an implementation of PMTU discovery. To test a possible PMTU value, I send a packet of that length, full of PING and PAD, just like the text says. I do expect the packet to be acknowledged if it is received. If the packet is not acknowledged, I will probably not resend it as is. I may or may not try a different PMTU. I may wait for some time. I am definitely not going to automatically retransmit "the PING frame". For me, the PING frame is a transport level construct, just like ACK or PAD. I don't think that the application API should specify "send a PING frame". It should most probably be something like "test whether the connection is still up, and tell me in not less than 3 RTT". Or something like that. And then the transport logic implements that however they see fit. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2068#issuecomment-443485146 ----==_mimepart_5c037b756747b_607f3fc32c6d45b4393468 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Wait a minute. I have currently an implementation of PMTU discovery. T= o test a possible PMTU value, I send a packet of that length, full of PIN= G and PAD, just like the text says. I do expect the packet to be acknowle= dged if it is received. If the packet is not acknowledged, I will probabl= y not resend it as is. I may or may not try a different PMTU. I may wait = for some time. I am definitely not going to automatically retransmit "the= PING frame".

For me, the PING frame is a transport level construct, just like ACK o= r PAD. I don't think that the application API should specify "send a PING= frame". It should most probably be something like "test whether the conn= ection is still up, and tell me in not less than 3 RTT". Or something lik= e that. And then the transport logic implements that however they see fit= .

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By the way, the actual text of the PR is fine. It is just the title that is weird.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1590,9 +1588,11 @@ amount of data to a client in response to 0-RTT data.
 
 The server uses the NEW_TOKEN frame {{frame-new-token}} to provide the client
 with an address validation token that can be used to validate future
-connections.  The client may then use this token to validate future connections
-by including it in the Initial packet's header.  The client MUST NOT use the
-token provided in a Retry for future connections.
+connections.  The client includes this token in Initial packets to provide
+address validation in a future connection.  The client MUST include the
+token in all Initial packets it sends, unless a Retry replaces the token
+with a newer token. The client MUST NOT use the token provided in a Retry
+for future connections.

Yes, discard is fine.

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I think we may then need some text to guide application level keep-alive design and explicitly state that PING might not be it.

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@mikkelfj The way Picoquic does it is through these API:

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/* Enables keep alive for a connection.
 * If `interval` is `0`, it is set to `idle_timeout / 2`.
 */
void picoquic_enable_keep_alive(picoquic_cnx_t* cnx, uint64_t interval);
/* Disables keep alive for a connection. */
void picoquic_disable_keep_alive(picoquic_cnx_t* cnx);

If the API is enabled, the transport will in fact send PING frames, bu= t only if there is not enough application traffic or other traffic to sus= tain the connection.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -834,7 +835,7 @@ commitment.
 ## Controlling Concurrency {#controlling-concurrency}
 
 An endpoint limits the cumulative number of incoming streams a peer can open.
-Only steams with a stream id less than
+Only streams with a stream id less than

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -825,6 +821,70 @@ MUST be treated as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME.
 A server MUST treat a MAX_PUSH_ID frame payload that does not contain a single
 variable-length integer as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME.
 
+### INITIAL_PRIORITY {#frame-initial-priority}
+
+The INITIAL_PRIORITY (type=0x0F) frame specifies the client-advised priority of

To maintain consistency with PRIORITY frame, you could use "sender-advised priority". Language elsewhere qualifies that the only sender that is allowed is a client.

or,

change it to client-advised in PRIORITY

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@LPardue commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -825,6 +821,70 @@ MUST be treated as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME.
 A server MUST treat a MAX_PUSH_ID frame payload that does not contain a single
 variable-length integer as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME.
 
+### INITIAL_PRIORITY {#frame-initial-priority}
+
+The INITIAL_PRIORITY (type=0x0F) frame specifies the client-advised priority of
+a new stream.  INITIAL_PRIORITY frames MAY be sent as the first frame of a
+request stream, and MUST NOT be sent thereafter or on other streams.  An
+INITIAL_PRIORITY frame sent on a non-request stream MUST be treated as a
+connection error of type HTTP_WRONG_STREAM.  An INITIAL_PRIORITY frame received
+after other frames or received by a client MUST be treated as a stream error of
+type HTTP_UNEXPECTED_FRAME.

Suggestion to break this out

INITIAL_PRIORITY frames MAY be sent as the first frame of a
request stream and MUST NOT be sent thereafter. An INITIAL_PRIORITY
frame received after other frames MUST be treated as a stream error of
type HTTP_UNEXPECTED_FRAME.

INITIAL_PRIORITY frames sent on a non-request stream MUST be treated as a
connection error of type HTTP_WRONG_STREAM.

INITIAL_PRIORITY frames received by a client MUST be treated as a stream error of
type HTTP_UNEXPECTED_FRAME.

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----==_mimepart_5c0445ee5deb0_7b4d3f9271ed45c01833278-- From nobody Sun Dec 2 13:02:38 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B1E3130DBE for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2018 13:02:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.459 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.459 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QNZ82qe3g9ig for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2018 13:02:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 55FD8128D0C for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2018 13:02:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2018 13:02:33 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543784553; bh=r/eItptmGQ1UAiw0c/x4dtxQ17rCvMOF8auUAPexYk8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=mJiSOlGC8TkXDSKJBa4wCmIYOCAPAosmksAbRQ/FiM05z3HIO95bWjZs+3OVpdz/v lBOTd+lYflye+7Khrl/000JK18wYtWsR5sbN5Uk3pvhzghNm26TGLiWm4Nm2RBKzfx fmD4biX+Vi7ymEDLcWxOo8BVgwsR0wBU0PlSIZKI= From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Define INITIAL_PRIORITY frame and remove exclusive dependencies (#2075) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c04486938ab5_20053fb809ad45c0208411"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2018 21:02:36 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c04486938ab5_20053fb809ad45c0208411 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LPardue commented on this pull request. > + +~~~~~~~~~~ drawing + 0 1 2 3 + 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +|DT | Empty | Element Dependency ID (i) ... ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| Weight (8) | ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +~~~~~~~~~~ +{: #fig-initial-priority title="INITIAL_PRIORITY frame payload"} + +The INITIAL_PRIORITY frame payload has the following fields: + + Dependency Type: + : A two-bit field indicating the type of element being depended on. One alternative would to have a static two-bit field that is always set to the value of `11`. There's no extra overhead since there's unused reserved bits. However, I like @kazuho's proposal and think there is room to extend it further. The PRIORITY frame definition says that > Element Dependency ID: A variable-length integer that identifies the element on which a dependency is being expressed. Depending on the value of Dependency Type, this contains the Stream ID of a request stream, the Push ID of a promised resource, the Placeholder ID of a placeholder, or is ignored. IIUC the ignored case properly, wouldn't it be more efficient to make the EDID (chuckle, not [this one](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_Display_Identification_Data)) optional too, based on the prioritisation type. I.e. if the dependency is root of the tree, don't send an ID. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2075#discussion_r238114436 ----==_mimepart_5c04486938ab5_20053fb809ad45c0208411 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +
+~~~~~~~~~~  drawing
+ 0                   1                   2                   3
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|DT |   Empty   |           Element Dependency ID (i)         ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|   Weight (8)  |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+~~~~~~~~~~
+{: #fig-initial-priority title="INITIAL_PRIORITY frame payload"}
+
+The INITIAL_PRIORITY frame payload has the following fields:
+
+  Dependency Type:
+  : A two-bit field indicating the type of element being depended on.

One alternative would to have a static two-bit field that is always set to the value of 11. There's no extra overhead since there's unused reserved bits.

However, I like @kazuho's proposal and think there is room to extend it further.

The PRIORITY frame definition says that

Element Dependency ID: A variable-length integer that identifies the element on which a dependency is being expressed. Depending on the value of Dependency Type, this contains the Stream ID of a request stream, the Push ID of a promised resource, the Placeholder ID of a placeholder, or is ignored.

IIUC the ignored case properly, wouldn't it be more efficient to make the EDID (chuckle, not this one) optional too, based on the prioritisation type. I.e. if the dependency is root of the tree, don't send an ID.

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@LPardue commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +
+The INITIAL_PRIORITY frame payload has the following fields:
+
+  Dependency Type:
+  : A two-bit field indicating the type of element being depended on.
+
+  Empty:
+  : A six-bit field which MUST be zero when sent and MUST be ignored
+    on receipt.
+
+  Element Dependency ID:
+  : A variable-length integer that identifies the element on which a dependency
+    is being expressed. Depending on the value of Dependency Type, this contains
+    the Stream ID of a request stream, the Push ID of a promised resource, the
+    Placeholder ID of a placeholder, or is ignored.  For details of
+    dependencies, see {{priority}} and {{!RFC7540}}, Section 5.3.

No I'm confused by this EDID. The frame is only applicable to request streams, so I think the EDID would always equal stream ID. It seems redundant to send this information twice.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +    Placeholder ID of a placeholder, or is ignored.  For details of
+    dependencies, see {{priority}} and {{!RFC7540}}, Section 5.3.
+
+  Weight:
+  : An unsigned 8-bit integer representing a priority weight for the stream (see
+    {{!RFC7540}}, Section 5.3). Add one to the value to obtain a weight between
+    1 and 256.
+
+An INITIAL_PRIORITY frame identifies an element upon which the current request
+stream depends at creation.  The values for the Dependency Type and Element
+Dependency ID have the same interpretation as in the PRIORITY frame (see
+{{frame-priority}}).
+
+When an INITIAL_PRIORITY frame claims to reference a request, the associated ID
+MUST identify a client-initiated bidirectional stream.  A server MUST treat
+receipt of PRIORITY frame with a Stream ID of any other type as a connection

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -825,6 +821,70 @@ MUST be treated as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME.
 A server MUST treat a MAX_PUSH_ID frame payload that does not contain a single
 variable-length integer as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME.
 
+### INITIAL_PRIORITY {#frame-initial-priority}
+
+The INITIAL_PRIORITY (type=0x0F) frame specifies the client-advised priority of
+a new stream.  INITIAL_PRIORITY frames MAY be sent as the first frame of a
+request stream, and MUST NOT be sent thereafter or on other streams.  An
+INITIAL_PRIORITY frame sent on a non-request stream MUST be treated as a
+connection error of type HTTP_WRONG_STREAM.  An INITIAL_PRIORITY frame received
+after other frames or received by a client MUST be treated as a stream error of
+type HTTP_UNEXPECTED_FRAME.

No wondering if it would it be clearer to say:

INITIAL_PRIORITY frames are OPTIONAL. When used, the frame MUST be sent as the first frame of a request stream. An INITIAL_PRIORITY frame received after other frames MUST be treated as a stream error of type HTTP_UNEXPECTED_FRAME.

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@LPardue approved this pull request.

I think the general theme of the PR is good. I've made some minor suggestions.

The big question is: new frame or rework existing PRIORITY frame. I'll see how that conversation develops.

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Nick, I think that a new issue is appropriate. Ignoring Version Negotiation if you aren't making a connection seems good, obvious even. I would take a PR to clarify that if you have the time.

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@martinthomson approved this pull request.

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With the adjustment, lgtm.

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@martinthomson approved this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  operating systems and middleboxes.  QUIC authenticates all of its headers and
-encrypts most of the data it exchanges, including its signaling, to avoid
+encrypts most of the data it exchanges -- including its signaling -- to avoid

I hate em--dashes done this way.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -383,7 +383,7 @@ data to a peer.
 ~~~
        o
        | Create Stream (Sending)
-       | Create Bidirectional Stream (Receiving)
+       | Remote Creates Bidirectional Stream

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----==_mimepart_5c047291a9f41_6ea03fbef96d45b461589a-- From nobody Sun Dec 2 16:45:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69830130DE7 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2018 16:45:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.459 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.459 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R0KCh8oBSP9B for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2018 16:45:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A2F92130DE1 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2018 16:45:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2018 16:45:47 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543797947; bh=k2sFAUCBZQFf5daPz7Q8mr0Sm8ZySDsvqQTsDbnqUFw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=kaoHRXdYS1iS7ORF1XKApmw/lgsi26Rr9EeP0ETrUESQ0hkT43clH+zS4UYTb4BVQ wob5cjPi17bnKQeGHlSrHl8jpRqRrh8g42DV1JXAA6YZoTLaOWM78aBIzBWYlYMMTl ooDfZo/hHIpZqDgLh+00h9A6rAHLF7JU/hsPkkSk= From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] First tranche of EKR's editorial pass, through 7.3.2 (#2087) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c047cbb8a3be_41623fb8d50d45bc892253"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 00:45:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c047cbb8a3be_41623fb8d50d45bc892253 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ekr commented on this pull request. > operating systems and middleboxes. QUIC authenticates all of its headers and -encrypts most of the data it exchanges, including its signaling, to avoid +encrypts most of the data it exchanges -- including its signaling -- to avoid Do you mean you don't want to use em-dashes here or that you would like me to use some other typographical convention than -- -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2087#discussion_r238123673 ----==_mimepart_5c047cbb8a3be_41623fb8d50d45bc892253 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  operating systems and middleboxes.  QUIC authenticates all of its headers and
-encrypts most of the data it exchanges, including its signaling, to avoid
+encrypts most of the data it exchanges -- including its signaling -- to avoid

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Now that #2038 is being merged, we have the possibility to avoid creating unnecessary encoder / decoder streams.

Avoiding creation them is beneficial for memory-constrained devices, because they can configure the QUIC transport stack to handle at most one unidirectional stream (in each direction) to support HTTP/3 if the QPACK state forbids 1) peer's creation of the encoder stream when endpoint's SETTINGS_HEADER_TABLE_SIZE: is zero, and 2) peer's creation of decoder stream is delayed until the endpoint's creation of the encoder stream.

The PR clarifies the two requirements.

With the proposed changes, a memory constrained HTTP/3 stack that sendsSETTINGS_HEADER_TABLE_SIZE of zero and never opens an encoder stream can be certain that the peer never opens an encoder stream or a decoder stream.

Note that the proposed change has minimal impact to existing implementations; regarding creation of the encoder stream, #2038 states that the stream cannot be used until SETTINGS is being received. This PR only merely clarifies that "use" includes the creation of the stream. The situation is the same for the decoder stream.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2090

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  • create codec streams only when necessary

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This looks like a good idea, but it raises the question of how to handle HRR. I think that if we want to explore this path, we need to redefine a way to carry the HRR inside a stateless retry packet of some kind, so we can create two independent connections contexts if two client hello respond to a single HRR. I am also not convinced that we can easily implement the client side of this. What if the attacker spoofs the response from server to client? Now the client receives to SHello, from the same address. What does it do? > @@ -1037,8 +1037,18 @@ Servers MUST drop other packets that contain unsupported versions. Packets with a supported version, or no version field, are matched to a connection using the connection ID or - for packets with zero-length connection -IDs - the address tuple. If the packet doesn't match an existing connection, -the server continues below. +IDs - the address tuple, with the following exception. + +A server that uses a non-zero-length connection ID SHOULD handle Initial packets +that share the same address tuple, Source and Destination Connection IDs, but +contain different first ClientHello messages as belonging to different +connections. This might be used by a client to defend against attacks that race +spoofed Initial packets with legitimate ones. A server can treat every Initial +packet containing a CRYPTO frame at an offset of 0 as potentially creating a new +connection, discarding any packet that has the same Destination Connection ID +and CRYPTO frame content as one that has been answered. + How do you distinguish between the first Initial packet and the next one, in the case of HRR? What if the server gets two responses to an HRR message, does it treat them as two connections? I am concerned that to make this work, we should go back to the "stateless HRR" model, maybe sending the TLS HRR in a crypto frame in the payload of a retry packet. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2076#pullrequestreview-180636442 ----==_mimepart_5c04db2b77144_78a23fb5f52d45c04906e0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@huitema commented on this pull request.

This looks like a good idea, but it raises the question of how to handle HRR. I think that if we want to explore this path, we need to redefine a way to carry the HRR inside a stateless retry packet of some kind, so we can create two independent connections contexts if two client hello respond to a single HRR.

I am also not convinced that we can easily implement the client side of this. What if the attacker spoofs the response from server to client? Now the client receives to SHello, from the same address. What does it do?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1037,8 +1037,18 @@ Servers MUST drop other packets that contain unsupported versions.
 
 Packets with a supported version, or no version field, are matched to a
 connection using the connection ID or - for packets with zero-length connection
-IDs - the address tuple.  If the packet doesn't match an existing connection,
-the server continues below.
+IDs - the address tuple, with the following exception.
+
+A server that uses a non-zero-length connection ID SHOULD handle Initial packets
+that share the same address tuple, Source and Destination Connection IDs, but
+contain different first ClientHello messages as belonging to different
+connections.  This might be used by a client to defend against attacks that race
+spoofed Initial packets with legitimate ones.  A server can treat every Initial
+packet containing a CRYPTO frame at an offset of 0 as potentially creating a new
+connection, discarding any packet that has the same Destination Connection ID
+and CRYPTO frame content as one that has been answered.
+

How do you distinguish between the first Initial packet and the next one, in the case of HRR? What if the server gets two responses to an HRR message, does it treat them as two connections?

I am concerned that to make this work, we should go back to the "stateless HRR" model, maybe sending the TLS HRR in a crypto frame in the payload of a retry packet.

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----==_mimepart_5c04db2b77144_78a23fb5f52d45c04906e0-- From nobody Mon Dec 3 01:18:01 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A686130E2A for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 01:17:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jOvBlewpOelb for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 01:17:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9726E126C01 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 01:17:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 01:17:56 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543828676; bh=N6tw7szXVTI4auLg80EEUj7ZEXesHmdVQZZIvB38fAA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=AY1PN7VBI7oHb9Q8En8rbgIcbum+rqb0XjzTxoGtHxEu8b6VysgTfw/hVZZtUBsQ/ e0CgGlsyY8ZLoNGHKXHQvrrwqDK0GxX+zLpL+CMsAcsMNoAZDWVZxyU4UO5BrQSwGR MJwqgybK7zdTxdRetaZxPbNlS6Ug9nDSKf2ZwFiQ= From: Nicolas Kuhn Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] High BDP and adapted congestion control (#2091) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c04f4c438aae_25cb3fb441cd45bc17516a8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: NicoKos X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 09:17:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c04f4c438aae_25cb3fb441cd45bc17516a8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In the context of high BDP networks, inadequate congestion control and its initial parameterization can result in very low QoE. As shown at IETF103, the web page download time can double with Google-QUIC as opposed to using tuned TCP proxy. We should let the QUIC server know that we are on a high BDP network. One solution would be to set the IW to a higher value (along with pacing) but other adaptations could be relevant. This issue could be relevant to other networks (data-centers, DOCSIS). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2091 ----==_mimepart_5c04f4c438aae_25cb3fb441cd45bc17516a8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

In the context of high BDP networks, inadequate congestion control and its initial parameterization can result in very low QoE.
As shown at IETF103, the web page download time can double with Google-QUIC as opposed to using tuned TCP proxy.
We should let the QUIC server know that we are on a high BDP network.
One solution would be to set the IW to a higher value (along with pacing) but other adaptations could be relevant.
This issue could be relevant to other networks (data-centers, DOCSIS).

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(For those following along at home, this is the transport draft.)

3.0 states:

Unidirectional streams use the applicable state machine directly. Bidirectional streams use both state machines. For the most = part, the use of these state machines is the same whether the stream is u= nidirectional or bidirectional. The conditions for opening a stream are s= lightly more complex for a bidirectional stream because the opening of ei= ther send or receive sides causes the stream to open in both directions.<= /p>

I think it's actually perfectly reasonable to consider a bidirectional= stream as consisting of two unidirectional streams with some limited way= s that one stream's state change can cause the other stream's state chang= e. However, it's probably worth making sure the terminology is consisten= t throughout.

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Also because a naive implementation that just blindly retransmitted frames from lost packets would then be invalid, rather than simply unoptimized. While that behavior isn't something we want to encourage, it's not clear that we want to outlaw it, either.

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In general, while a peer might not give you as many as you want (#1998), they SHOULD be able to replace as many as they've given you. And if they don't and you run out of CIDs, close the connection.

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Reopened #2085.

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Sorry -- didn't mean to close, just comment.

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----==_mimepart_5c058ab3f909_9193fe156ad45b8119820-- From nobody Mon Dec 3 12:01:39 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E35C7130F99 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 12:01:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LiXupX9PGo4q for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 12:01:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D1437130EBF for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 12:01:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=T7r7Tt+l7GAyzwUK9seng3Ehono=; b=J9moApueg7XK7uVc i1GsKjGGpc+HRd4j+abioeoc1WM2Cqz7xeWafxfwxr2PNIdZICjAlCTMpxeJWRRv 00fbjs6WYwxStp7+Dh/g51SPI/pw+ibYOatILfYLUTQbJE8msACfCNBkrcgq+Pks znssdOF4Yik3AI4IAOq5iZ6JTRg= Received: by filter0287p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0287p1iad2-5062-5C058B92-4D 2018-12-03 20:01:22.83270536 +0000 UTC m=+323858.472180751 Received: from github-lowworker-cef7735.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.35]) by ismtpd0030p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id gw8s-jIhShe96wIt98WQsg for ; Mon, 03 Dec 2018 20:01:22.824 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-cef7735.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B969D1E1466 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 12:01:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 20:01:22 +0000 (UTC) From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Why ignore MAX_STREAM_DATA or MAX_DATA that don't increase the flow control limits (#2082) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c058b92b816c_118b3fbe52cd45c42911df"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3kv1q+g5SIPWDsObN3OaQFzuK+FhpE2/JF8n cJ07+fmn2DdkVB0liiq2UJQzQwTx8yFAJy36va0N3+CMLDBhHv2N/MFSa9ZQljkRi+fyBOYh0BioEM u7KT5UHOUz/oyYG0Y8uMfigOjJPzySPKLwL8Z0E79C3JtZACuVjuHF4FNQ== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 20:01:37 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c058b92b816c_118b3fbe52cd45c42911df Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't find this persuasive, but as I said, I recognize I'm in the rough. Regardless, if that's the behavior we want, the text needs some rework -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2082#issuecomment-443849879 ----==_mimepart_5c058b92b816c_118b3fbe52cd45c42911df Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I don't find this persuasive, but as I said, I recognize I'm in the rough. Regardless, if that's the behavior we want, the text needs some rework

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Sounds like I should probably reword this section in HTTP, then:

HTTP clients are expected to use QUIC PING frames to keep connections op= en while there are responses outstanding for requests or server pushes. If = the client is not expecting a response from the server, allowing an idle co= nnection to time out is preferred over expending effort maintaining a conne= ction that might not be needed. A gateway MAY use PING to maintain connecti= ons in anticipation of need rather than incur the latency cost of connectio= n establishment to servers. Servers SHOULD NOT use PING frames to keep a co= nnection open.

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In #2068, the direction of the discussion is that PING frames are an application-layer concept that won't necessarily be directly under the application-layer's control. The HTTP draft currently says:

HTTP clients are expected to use QUIC PING frames to keep connections open while there are responses outstanding for requests or server pushes. If the client is not expecting a response from the server, allowing an idle connection to time out is preferred over expending effort maintaining a connection that might not be needed. A gateway MAY use PING to maintain connections in anticipation of need rather than incur the latency cost of connection establishment to servers. Servers SHOULD NOT use PING frames to keep a connection open.

This should be reworded in terms of requesting the transport stack to keep the connection from idling out, rather than directly discussing PING frames.

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I considered making it part of either HEADERS or simply a stream heade= r like the Push ID, since it MUST always come first. My reasoning was th= at, since it's not always going to be used, a stream header would be over= kill. The conditional presence in HEADERS in H2 was based on flags, whic= h we don't have any more =F0=9F=98=B3, so that seemed to present its own problem= s, plus the restriction that it only appear on the first HEADERS= of a stream. It seemed simpler to restrict those semantics to their own= frame type.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +
+~~~~~~~~~~  drawing
+ 0                   1                   2                   3
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|DT |   Empty   |           Element Dependency ID (i)         ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|   Weight (8)  |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+~~~~~~~~~~
+{: #fig-initial-priority title="INITIAL_PRIORITY frame payload"}
+
+The INITIAL_PRIORITY frame payload has the following fields:
+
+  Dependency Type:
+  : A two-bit field indicating the type of element being depended on.

That actually could combine nicely -- rather than 11 meaning "the root of the tree," it means "the current stream," and we keep the restriction that reprioritizing the root of the tree is illegal. So 11 means this stream when it's send on a request, but means the root when it's sent on the control stream.

I was trying not to have conditionally-present fields, but if folks are okay with that, I could try that variant.

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@mikkelfj commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1548,9 +1548,9 @@ frame (see {{validate-future}}).
 
 Upon receiving the client's Initial packet, the server can request address
 validation by sending a Retry packet ({{packet-retry}}) containing a token. This
-token MUST be repeated by the client in all Initial packets it sends after it receives the
-Retry packet.  In response to receiving a token in an Initial packet, a server
-can either abort the connection or permit it to proceed.
+token MUST be repeated by the client in all Initial packets it sends after it
+receives the Retry packet.  In response to receiving a token in an Initial
+packet, a server can either abort the connection or permit it to proceed.

Isn't there a third option to ignore a packet rather then abort or permit to proceed?

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Setting the Loss Detection Timer section states:

// Don't arm timer if there are no retransmittable packets
// in flight.
if (bytes_in_flight == 0):
  loss_detection_timer.cancel()
  return

If a QUIC sender sends multiple retransmittable packets and some ACK/PADDING packets and only retransmittable packets are ACKed, it leaves the bytes_in_flight > 0 but no retransmittable packets inflight. In this case, Loss Detection Timer need not be scheduled as there is not retransmittable packets inflight but the above check results in scheduling the timer again.

if (bytes_in_flight == 0): check does not seem enough by itself to decide if there are outstanding retransmittable packets. Do we need to update that section?

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@ianswett, this is a follow-up from an old issue. The tex= t previously said that you send VN in response to a version you don't spe= ak, and for some implementations, version 0 is a version they don't speak= , so....

This effectively clarifies that you do speak version = 0, and if you're not a client attempting a connection, the appropriate ac= tion in that version is to drop it.

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@kazuho commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +
+~~~~~~~~~~  drawing
+ 0                   1                   2                   3
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|DT |   Empty   |           Element Dependency ID (i)         ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|   Weight (8)  |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+~~~~~~~~~~
+{: #fig-initial-priority title="INITIAL_PRIORITY frame payload"}
+
+The INITIAL_PRIORITY frame payload has the following fields:
+
+  Dependency Type:
+  : A two-bit field indicating the type of element being depended on.

Using 11 to identify the current stream (and therefore the omission of the field) makes sense.

I was trying not to have conditionally-present fields, but if folks are okay with that, I could try that variant.

FWIW, the reason I am happy with having conditionally-present fields is that it saves bytes: omitting PEID in the INITIAL_PRIORITY frame saves one byte per request in the common, omitting EDID in the PRIORITY frame saves at least one byte in the first flight when placeholders are used.

I think omitting having bytes with no meaning is more consistent to the efforts we have spent in other parts of the transport and the h3 drafts to minimize the overhead.

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+1 to having PRIORITY as a separate frame on the request stream. IMO, we should refrain from wasting bytes of a HEADERS frame, because it is used for carrying the responses as well. Bandwidth from the server to the client is the most precious resource in HTTP.

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@kazuho approved this pull request.

Looks like a nice improvement to me.

In addition to guaranteeing that the server would have the prioritization information, the proposed change saves multiple bytes (in addition to the points I clarified in #2075 (comment), we also save at least 3 bytes per packet by removing the need to emit a STREAM frame of a control stream when sending requests).

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It's consistent with our decision elsewhere that frames which are valid = when sent remain valid for the duration of the connection no matter how del= ayed (though they might get ignored as irrelevant).

FWIW, I am not sure if all the frames have such property; retransmitting= an ACK frame is not a good idea because you would have an incorrect value = in the ack delay field...

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 5:34 PM Kazuho Oku wrot= e:=0D =0D > I think the fear we have with QUIC is that some NATs are going to run o= ut=0D > of UDP ports, or that they would be reusing ports at a rate so fast tha= t we=0D > would be seeing involuntary migrations with connections that are idle f= or=0D > just a small fraction of time.=0D >=0D > Given that there is sparse data on this, I tend to support=0D @martinthomson's view that we ought to let practice emerge here rather th= an=0D trying to specify it. Getting the right behavior for small NATs,=0D enterprises, and CGNs may not be one-size fits all for these trade offs.=0D= =0D regards,=0D =0D Ted=0D =0D =0D =0D > Reusing the client-side tuple for multiple connections do mitigate the=0D= > issue.=0D >=0D > The trade-off here is the privacy concern that @martinthomson=0D > pointed out. I agree that it is a=0D= > concern, however I might also argue that hiding who's behind does not h= ave=0D > a practical benefit for small NATs (e.g. home routers). And huge NATs (= e.g.=0D > carrier-grade) might have an observer within the NAT.=0D >=0D > =E2=80=94=0D > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.=0D > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub=0D > ,=0D > or mute the thread=0D > =0D > .=0D >=0D =0D =0D -- =0D You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.=0D Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub:=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2061#issuecomment-443889007= ----==_mimepart_5c05a95766103_5f853f86704d45b4266138 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 5:34 PM Kazuho Oku <notifications@github.com>= ; wrote:
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=0D > I think the fear we have with QUIC is that some NATs are going to ru= n out
=0D > of UDP ports, or that they would be reusing ports at a rate so fast = that we
=0D > would be seeing involuntary migrations with connections that are idl= e for
=0D > just a small fraction of time.
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=0D > Given that there is sparse data on this, I tend to support
=0D @martinthomson's view that we ought to let practice emerge here rathe= r than
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=0D enterprises, and CGNs may not be one-size fits all for these trade offs.<= br>=0D
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=0D > concern, however I might also argue that hiding who's behind doe= s not have
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Thanks for the explanation Mike, the idea of a QUIC implementation that doesn't support version 0 is a bit weird, but that's fine.

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My concern was what @kazuho mentions. There's anecdotal data th= at NATs are less generous with UDP ports than they are with TCP ports, an= d there is a scaling concern with QUIC because of that.

I'm not particularly concerned about linkability concerns here because= multiple connection IDs can be used within a connection, and that is som= ething we might want to encourage in general.

That said, the counterpoints raised here are good ones. I am fine with= not specifying this in the draft, and seeing how best practices evolve.<= /p>

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@ekr: Is the text you've proposed above your suggested rewording? That's not enough, because it doesn't capture what the sender needs to do when it receives a frame out of order. I'm happy to put together a PR but I'm not sure what you are after.

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@nekiz : Good point. You are right that the timer should only be running when there are retransmittable packets outstanding.

I have a few changes underway right now, but I'd like to wait until those land before addressing this one.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1037,8 +1037,18 @@ Servers MUST drop other packets that contain unsupported versions.
 
 Packets with a supported version, or no version field, are matched to a
 connection using the connection ID or - for packets with zero-length connection
-IDs - the address tuple.  If the packet doesn't match an existing connection,
-the server continues below.
+IDs - the address tuple, with the following exception.
+
+A server that uses a non-zero-length connection ID SHOULD handle Initial packets
+that share the same address tuple, Source and Destination Connection IDs, but
+contain different first ClientHello messages as belonging to different
+connections.  This might be used by a client to defend against attacks that race
+spoofed Initial packets with legitimate ones.  A server can treat every Initial
+packet containing a CRYPTO frame at an offset of 0 as potentially creating a new
+connection, discarding any packet that has the same Destination Connection ID
+and CRYPTO frame content as one that has been answered.
+

Yeah the text that discusses the approach purely by referring to the CRYPTO frame is hard to understand (and it might be erroneous).

The logic I'd expect the stacks to have is something like below:

if crypto_frame.offset == 0:
  ch_hash = sha256(crypto_frame)
  if conn_is_open():
    if open_conn.handshake_key != nil:
      if open_conn.ch_hash != ch_hash:
        handle_as_new_connection()
      else:
        handle_packet_with_care()             // to be addressed in #2045, #2053
    else:
      handle_initial_as_part_of_connection()  // HRR case
  else:
    handle_as_new_connection()

I am concerned that to make this work, we should go back to the "stateless HRR" model, maybe sending the TLS HRR in a crypto frame in the payload of a retry packet.

I do not think so, because our experience in TLS 1.3 tells us that HRR will rarely be used, because the endpoints are incentivized to avoid the additional round-trip imposed by HRR.

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@huitema: I like the rephrase you suggest (here). I might make a minor change:

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 tokens have a short life time.  Servers that are able to should ensure t=
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1548,9 +1548,9 @@ frame (see {{validate-future}}).
 
 Upon receiving the client's Initial packet, the server can request address
 validation by sending a Retry packet ({{packet-retry}}) containing a token. This
-token MUST be repeated by the client in all Initial packets it sends after it receives the
-Retry packet.  In response to receiving a token in an Initial packet, a server
-can either abort the connection or permit it to proceed.
+token MUST be repeated by the client in all Initial packets it sends after it
+receives the Retry packet.  In response to receiving a token in an Initial
+packet, a server can either abort the connection or permit it to proceed.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1590,9 +1588,11 @@ amount of data to a client in response to 0-RTT data.
 
 The server uses the NEW_TOKEN frame {{frame-new-token}} to provide the client
 with an address validation token that can be used to validate future
-connections.  The client may then use this token to validate future connections
-by including it in the Initial packet's header.  The client MUST NOT use the
-token provided in a Retry for future connections.
+connections.  The client includes this token in Initial packets to provide
+address validation in a future connection.  The client MUST include the
+token in all Initial packets it sends, unless a Retry replaces the token
+with a newer token. The client MUST NOT use the token provided in a Retry
+for future connections.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -Layer PMTU Discovery ({{!DPLPMTUD=I-D.ietf-tsvwg-datagram-plpmtud}}), or
-implement Path MTU Discovery (PMTUD) {{!RFC1191}} {{!RFC8201}} to determine
-whether the path to a destination will support its desired message size without
-fragmentation.
-
-In the absence of these mechanisms, QUIC endpoints SHOULD NOT send IP packets
-larger than 1280 bytes. Assuming the minimum IP header size, this results in a
-QUIC maximum packet size of 1232 bytes for IPv6 and 1252 bytes for IPv4. A QUIC
-implementation MAY be more conservative in computing the QUIC maximum packet
-size to allow for unknown tunnel overheads or IP header options/extensions.
+An endpoint SHOULD use Datagram Packetization Layer PMTU Discovery
+({{!DPLPMTUD=I-D.ietf-tsvwg-datagram-plpmtud}}) or implement Path MTU Discovery
+(PMTUD) {{!RFC1191}} {{!RFC8201}} to determine whether the path to a destination
+will support a desired message size without fragmentation.
+
+In the absence of these aforementioned mechanisms, QUIC endpoints SHOULD NOT

Yeah, something wasn't sitting right with me after I wrote that out. I'll leave it as it was.

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Ok, I've reverted some changes and left this with some minor editorial nits. I've also sent out #2094.

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I agree this is a problem, but I'm very unsure what the WG can do about it. Can you provide some specific suggestions?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -#### Time Threshold
-
-Time threshold loss detection uses a time threshold to determine how much
-reordering to tolerate.  In this document, the threshold is expressed as a
-fraction of an RTT, but implementations MAY experiment with absolute
-thresholds. The RECOMMENDED time threshold, expressed as a fraction
-of the round-trip time (kTimeThreshold), is 1/8.
-
-An endpoint SHOULD declare packets lost no earlier than
-(1 + kTimeThreshold) * max(SRTT, latest_RTT) after when they were
-sent.  If packets sent prior to the largest acknowledged packet cannot yet
-be declared lost, then a timer SHOULD be set for the remaining time.
+{{?RFC6675}}, and RACK {{?RACK=I-D.ietf-tcpm-rack}}. This section provides an
+overview of how these algorithms are implemented in QUIC.
+
+When an ACK frame is received that newly acknowledges a packet, a QUIC sender

This is a good point. In fact, I think we may want to drop the text that says this is triggered on an receipt of an ACK only, because that's not necessary. Sure, that's when we check it (and when the ER timer fires), but that's not required. I've changed the text above to reflect this.

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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +upon detecting loss.  Implementations that detect spurious retransmissions and
+increase the reordering threshold in packets or time MAY choose to start with
+smaller initial reordering thresholds to minimize recovery latency.
+
+### Packet Threshold
+
+The RECOMMENDED initial value for the packet reordering threshold
+(kPacketThreshold) is 3, based on TCP loss detection {{?RFC5681}} {{?RFC6675}}.
+
+Some networks may exhibit higher degrees of reordering, causing a sender to
+detect spurious losses.  Implementers MAY use algorithms developed for TCP, such
+as TCP-NCR {{?RFC4653}}, to improve QUIC's reordering resilience.
+
+### Time Threshold {#time-threshold}
+
+Ack-based loss detection uses a time threshold to determine how much reordering

Done, and moved this para below. The ordering is better now I think.

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(Tue, 06 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: 52aa21aaa0e49b7db5c0f20c306bbb2dc18850be https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/52aa21aaa0e49b7db5c0f20c306bbb2dc18850be Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-07 (Wed, 07 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: 21635b4d047ca438b2cef45866913b218bda3455 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/21635b4d047ca438b2cef45866913b218bda3455 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-20 (Tue, 20 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Some of Jana's suggestions Commit: 5afcc2a7c9a4bcd7dc0443e2c1c46b6f7e9f9d97 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5afcc2a7c9a4bcd7dc0443e2c1c46b6f7e9f9d97 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-30 (Fri, 30 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Rename to kTimeThreshold and kPacketThreshold Commit: d606f714ab878d577e09c71f7fca9dff009e6e8f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d606f714ab878d577e09c71f7fca9dff009e6e8f Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-30 (Fri, 30 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Add a reference to RACK Commit: fd835fafc27b439f39529a8bd1653362633baece https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fd835fafc27b439f39529a8bd1653362633baece Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-30 (Fri, 30 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: 561e22717749ccc0f7d8f22c8d9c8fdb52355954 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/561e22717749ccc0f7d8f22c8d9c8fdb52355954 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-30 (Fri, 30 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: 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draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: 86cb551026bbe831f73b7ccf5dbf82a0cafa974e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/86cb551026bbe831f73b7ccf5dbf82a0cafa974e Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2018-11-30 (Fri, 30 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Editorial rework Commit: e8ae5ad0bd8e7ae4b72c26e9c5a08ada7791f300 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e8ae5ad0bd8e7ae4b72c26e9c5a08ada7791f300 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2018-11-30 (Fri, 30 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- lint Commit: 6ad1106e093e75e2413a19733bca12ac8a41531e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6ad1106e093e75e2413a19733bca12ac8a41531e Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2018-11-30 (Fri, 30 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- clean up RACK reference Commit: 1088bb6e26d782d13ee05b85aa2985111ee33c5c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1088bb6e26d782d13ee05b85aa2985111ee33c5c 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----==_mimepart_5c05ef132f878_2fc73fd069ad45c023433b-- From nobody Mon Dec 3 19:06:09 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F025A130DDF for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 19:05:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.459 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.459 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qX8EiaWwgvXd for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 19:05:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F3DC1130DEB for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 19:05:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 19:05:55 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543892755; bh=SLrjlqUVtFmIotmBa6OIVC9kqWjyZ/wEsU30Gm3LxvE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=fN7abNFhMmUm4FpjjIHcAcSMwHQxl3xa4Rs+LF9JgPVB/10AHZDn5T/PfMAjFLv9U tKbPVW5iBVA7fA4iBkMT3/2Kdc3Qn0b7ojPmP6jZWEQiJGhSfn2iHuRxQxpW61c0Bi NqnwOwfFye+dWwCSTzXx43eYwzkICHibah8dX40o= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Recovery uses both time and packet thresholds (#1974) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c05ef135ce76_d503fbd66cd45c0154934"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 03:05:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c05ef135ce76_d503fbd66cd45c0154934 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merged #1974 into master. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1974#event-2003170233 ----==_mimepart_5c05ef135ce76_d503fbd66cd45c0154934 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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@siyengar, does the merged #1974 resolve this? I believe it does.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2095 -- Commit Summary -- * Unnecessary variables -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (14) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2095.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2095.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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----==_mimepart_5c05f075302f_3bb03fd069ad45c0630b8-- From nobody Mon Dec 3 20:22:34 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6E00130DE9 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 20:22:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QoLvVCoD0G7x for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 20:22:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 41269128CB7 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 20:22:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 20:22:28 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543897348; bh=qPZSU3ktPR4Fv1OKgbrFJRz8T5xMVY5LmqYRhxTrEnw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=1VRLWHMNcbWgHO4JqrwuMtWAfmdE6hhzxj+vg1dAgS5EfBJ4aR9robVsKpAn6kHEC 3sUDomGxm6bc0uBWtoAYbS35kXWFlQVaY6nBKl+56EDaAa5iX2qvixOXyVMAz3sRyr upfxvkzzBsSfOcxdtQRJjkTVVBpqe6DvZ+IHEK9c= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Fix for off-path migration attack (#2033) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c060104d27e6_1a443fd8080d45c434512"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 04:22:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c060104d27e6_1a443fd8080d45c434512 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think this is good. I would have preferred lesser text, but let's get this in and see about that later. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2033#issuecomment-443966159 ----==_mimepart_5c060104d27e6_1a443fd8080d45c434512 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Additionally, the PATH_RESPONSE frame MUST be received on the same local address from which the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE was sent. If a PATH_RESPONSE frame is received on a different local address than the one from which the -PATH_CHALLENGE was sent, path validation is considered to have failed, even if -the data matches that sent in the PATH_CHALLENGE. Thus, the endpoint considers -the path to be valid when a PATH_RESPONSE frame is received on the same path -with the same payload as the PATH_CHALLENGE frame. +PATH_CHALLENGE was sent, path validation is not considered to be successful, +even if the data matches that sent in the PATH_CHALLENGE. This doesn't result +in path validation failure, as it might be a result of a forwarded packet (see +{{off-path-forward}}) or misrouting. Thus, the endpoint considers the path to +be valid when a PATH_RESPONSE frame is received on the same path with the same I might restructure a bit and split this up into two paras. Move the last sentence ("Thus, the endpoint ... the PATH_CHALLENGE frame.") to before the discussion of non-success (before the sentence "If a PATH_RESPONSE frame ..."). Break para there. > +This style of attack relies on the attacker using a path that is approximately +as fast as the direct path between endpoints. The attack is more reliable if +relatively few packets are sent or if packet loss coincides with the attempted +attack. + +A non-probing packet received on the original path that increases the maximum +received packet number will cause the endpoint to move back to that path. +Eliciting packets on this path increases the likelihood that the attack is +unsuccessful. Therefore, mitigation of this attack relies on triggering the +exchange of packets. + +In response to an apparent migration, endpoints MUST validate the previously +active path using a PATH_CHALLENGE frame. This induces the sending of new +packets on that path. If the path is no longer viable, the validation attempt +will time out and fail; if the path is viable, but no longer desired, the +validation will succeed, but only results in a probing packet being sent on the ```suggestion validation will succeed, but only results in probing packets being sent on the ``` > +received packet number will cause the endpoint to move back to that path. +Eliciting packets on this path increases the likelihood that the attack is +unsuccessful. Therefore, mitigation of this attack relies on triggering the +exchange of packets. + +In response to an apparent migration, endpoints MUST validate the previously +active path using a PATH_CHALLENGE frame. This induces the sending of new +packets on that path. If the path is no longer viable, the validation attempt +will time out and fail; if the path is viable, but no longer desired, the +validation will succeed, but only results in a probing packet being sent on the +path. + +An endpoint that receives a PATH_CHALLENGE on an active path SHOULD send a +non-probing packet in response. If the non-probing packet arrives before any +copy made by an attacker, this results in the connection being migrated back to +the original path. Any subsequent migration to another path resets this entire ```suggestion the original path. Any subsequent migration to another path restarts this entire ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2033#pullrequestreview-181083902 ----==_mimepart_5c060117a80fc_1a4d3fd8080d45c4682648 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3592,6 +3594,21 @@ and will contain a CRYPTO frame with an offset matching the size of the CRYPTO
 frame sent in the first Initial packet.  Cryptographic handshake messages
 subsequent to the first do not need to fit within a single UDP datagram.
 
+
+### Abandoning Initial Packets {#discard-initial}
+
+A client stops both sending and accepting Initial packets when it sends its
+first Handshake packet.  A server stops sending and accepting Initial packets
+when it receives its first Handshake packet.  Though packets might still be in
+flight or awaiting acknowledgment, no further Initial packets need to be
+exchanged beyond this point.  Initial packet protection keys are discarded (see
+Section 4.10 of {{QUIC-TLS}}) along with any loss recovery and congestion
+control state (see Sections 5.3.1.2 and 6.9 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}).

Good points. I'd say the conservative approach is the one @martinthomson suggests. I wonder if it might be better to be more explicit about it though, but I'll save that for another PR I think.

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----==_mimepart_5c06040cb54bd_46143fd8080d45c438293d-- From nobody Tue Dec 4 03:24:28 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4348130EC2 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 03:24:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QdNZlKoXDJpd for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 03:24:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 26BAA12875B for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 03:24:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=wQesgjzfvOpfnLU8jPsNz+IzYuw=; b=xWLtXSdbqYGcgLrd fkcX1NfpbNVRrZkA2L27ikP7rZEbEtZz99QLemooF0V3XjQA2y/nD5BFZ4pRpd3n CorkaJDA6oJp/jC58ZGfhbgHT0W5fUW1NHehoUEqukhNjpF5KjbAdoPLFHwWhUsu vcE/BFj4chW+vYYtyQBEd0rffbs= Received: by filter1037p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1037p1las1-435-5C0663E9-2 2018-12-04 11:24:25.093022751 +0000 UTC m=+39467.712836675 Received: from github-lowworker-c7d2ff2.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.32]) by ismtpd0024p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id g8euikL3QxCepNa1p1jlkQ for ; Tue, 04 Dec 2018 11:24:25.024 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-c7d2ff2.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F06B04C031F for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 03:24:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 11:24:25 +0000 (UTC) From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Amplification attack using retry tokens and spoofed addresses (#2064) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c0663e8ee7a3_6b5f3f81a80d45bc2225aa"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3ZjX0qlwOpNgHYUzAZv53d3bV/rhMulBuEUq 7g44AOpt91Q7/bHd2EjI2UdCrVx4gKmvxqxr3oMkOCAy0CsDktcWyZ2TdFnWtoBdcNtTPBBZM9auR1 gqEBuwGcqjd2jQapqK3Ni1pMobxR73Lo4Ln3yXlD8f85eNF4yJjDn/J8RQ== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 11:24:28 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c0663e8ee7a3_6b5f3f81a80d45bc2225aa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We may need some sort of linearisation if "once" is ever going to be practical, such as the client only using last received token, but I don't see how that could be accomplished in praxis. So in effect a server would need to explicitly track all outstanding tokens which may be too much even for a single server deployment. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2064#issuecomment-444066887 ----==_mimepart_5c0663e8ee7a3_6b5f3f81a80d45bc2225aa Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

We may need some sort of linearisation if "once" is ever going to be pra= ctical, such as the client only using last received token, but I don't see = how that could be accomplished in praxis. So in effect a server would need = to explicitly track all outstanding tokens which may be too much even for a= single server deployment.

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I'm late on this. But two questions:

  1. Should not delay_until_lost include peers ack delay? If y= ou have a very fast network a nearby peer may have larger delay than the = RTT.

  2. Should not the delta in pseudocode for detecting lost pac= kets by packet number take gaps into consideration. Notably gaps are used= for optimistic ACK protection.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c06683715b22_53dc3fa86dad45bc123083-- From nobody Tue Dec 4 03:55:35 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58B90128CF3 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 03:55:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sluhr2hwZrBN for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 03:55:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 726F1128C65 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 03:55:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 03:55:30 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543924530; bh=gDk4jUg9R57WFpb0dO5D5xn/Ln8AI7+M25CGhXZPS2w=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=olNa3oFfH2TEAl+VmjjZLxHnHAXFIcAlGUofrDbPQz5fZHsMRrfXfWB/Z7maTEvFC u1+to67UcNr7EL7dSzk1bbUECMe3NZUedVF2tBRZsoAsS1u8HX7k9gjPhWpFga6Dcr 2v57hUGL973c4p5bRcwGqK1CKmMdNqD39m4Qa5Q8= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Repeat tokens in all Initial packets (#2089) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c066b324c2c4_20c3fb6ddcd45b4110589"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 11:55:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c066b324c2c4_20c3fb6ddcd45b4110589 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mikkelfj commented on this pull request. > @@ -1548,9 +1548,9 @@ frame (see {{validate-future}}). Upon receiving the client's Initial packet, the server can request address validation by sending a Retry packet ({{packet-retry}}) containing a token. This -token MUST be repeated by the client in all Initial packets it sends after it receives the -Retry packet. In response to receiving a token in an Initial packet, a server -can either abort the connection or permit it to proceed. +token MUST be repeated by the client in all Initial packets it sends after it +receives the Retry packet. In response to receiving a token in an Initial +packet, a server can either abort the connection or permit it to proceed. The third option is to "drop/ignore". The mentioned options are "abort" and "proceed", but proceed implies the packet is processed. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2089#discussion_r238632018 ----==_mimepart_5c066b324c2c4_20c3fb6ddcd45b4110589 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1548,9 +1548,9 @@ frame (see {{validate-future}}).
 
 Upon receiving the client's Initial packet, the server can request address
 validation by sending a Retry packet ({{packet-retry}}) containing a token. This
-token MUST be repeated by the client in all Initial packets it sends after it receives the
-Retry packet.  In response to receiving a token in an Initial packet, a server
-can either abort the connection or permit it to proceed.
+token MUST be repeated by the client in all Initial packets it sends after it
+receives the Retry packet.  In response to receiving a token in an Initial
+packet, a server can either abort the connection or permit it to proceed.

The third option is to "drop/ignore". The mentioned options are "abort" and "proceed", but proceed implies the packet is processed.

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I wonder whether we should ask for specific parameter (such as the IW = value - and above a certain threshold pacing msut be considered) or a mor= e generic parameter saying 'you are on a high BDP network'.
Those could be transport parameters, such as discussed in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-16#secti= on-22.1

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Given we say it's ok to use an adaptive threshold, should we keep these variables?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1548,9 +1548,9 @@ frame (see {{validate-future}}).
 
 Upon receiving the client's Initial packet, the server can request address
 validation by sending a Retry packet ({{packet-retry}}) containing a token. This
-token MUST be repeated by the client in all Initial packets it sends after it receives the
-Retry packet.  In response to receiving a token in an Initial packet, a server
-can either abort the connection or permit it to proceed.
+token MUST be repeated by the client in all Initial packets it sends after it
+receives the Retry packet.  In response to receiving a token in an Initial
+packet, a server can either abort the connection or permit it to proceed.

SG, changed from receiving to processing, because otherwise I think this sentence is not really correct.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c06a56e9e257_5f9e3f88b7cd45b816436e-- From nobody Tue Dec 4 08:12:32 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 369EE128CF2 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 08:12:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KT0SwOUGrLNp for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 08:12:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 28524130F24 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 08:12:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 08:12:20 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543939940; bh=kAJoUsBsw3XcKR2TUajabtbq38zjYcTZEgm1vaXnGJY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ZBYJmcgdmVGPy3h0KlLr8CHr07dUyrKfAmUvk5/MXFZDsukv6R/5AdfzLj/W7rcwT H6lru8XhmvnLiLrapsZO/kaFBmEhYlpLqKeJUt8UsIwBEYcb6biipWYLXtatrnIh+l nXOsnyz3ODJYnmO3u4zKFuuycI6SbTyN6ZojMUpg= From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] NEW_CONNECTION_ID: use sequence number for one CID only (#2096) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c06a76459b57_43203faf05cd45bc2601c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 16:12:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c06a76459b57_43203faf05cd45bc2601c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As long as we are checking for for consistency, it makes sense to check that sequence number has not been reused. Sequence number reuse means that there is no longer a one-to-one correspondence between CIDs and sequence numbers. The check is opportunistic (thus it's a **MAY** treat it as an error): if the peer has a record from previous _NEW_CONNECTION_ID_ `(seqno: A, cid: ABC)` but it receives `(seqno: A, cid: XYZ)`, it is an error. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2096#issuecomment-444157254 ----==_mimepart_5c06a76459b57_43203faf05cd45bc2601c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

As long as we are checking for for consistency, it makes sense to chec= k that sequence number has not been reused. Sequence number reuse means = that there is no longer a one-to-one correspondence between CIDs and sequ= ence numbers.

The check is opportunistic (thus it's a MAY treat it = as an error): if the peer has a record from previous NEW_CONNECTION_I= D (seqno: A, cid: ABC) but it receives (seqno: A,= cid: XYZ), it is an error.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c06a76459b57_43203faf05cd45bc2601c-- From nobody Tue Dec 4 08:16:38 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20AB1130DE2 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 08:16:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1PJH_9Xp8Kmf for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 08:16:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C29312870E for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 08:16:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 08:16:33 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543940193; bh=zmPCJwrBnQm1h+bTE/LucNji06mfNeyCgdmU8kWzEOw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=b8Wc7LhwaAW+mkotpsDQxLqWTVLBINybbpeMOAKJBaWY0aFu3PEYKV1GdZvaz2frD 006fCpY9uOYbdXSO9ecSyxPzXvAb/1jYw0t29v7Ly0FNcmtEY/p+AogZ9+9e8IgPoX WGXQ8PUWNUD+Rgaa4hJJrboWcQBMUrouuXt8T0wE= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] NEW_CONNECTION_ID: use sequence number for one CID only (#2096) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c06a86145ff_7e353fd377ad45b4300910"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 16:16:36 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c06a86145ff_7e353fd377ad45b4300910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not opposed to checking - I did write range check - only that I don't see how you can conclude a sequence number is wrong based on its assumed incorrect origin. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2096#issuecomment-444158906 ----==_mimepart_5c06a86145ff_7e353fd377ad45b4300910 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'm not opposed to checking - I did write range check - only that I don't see how you can conclude a sequence number is wrong based on its assumed incorrect origin.

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I don't understand what you mean by "domain" and "origin" -- there is only one origin of new CIDs and that's the peer.

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Never mind, I way into multi-path ...

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This change would really drive the complexity of my code up, and I'm not really seeing a positive.

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----==_mimepart_5c06b2bb9e6f2_622c3ff83b8d45b4821585-- From nobody Tue Dec 4 09:52:43 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F41F130E2F for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 09:52:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1FrK2l35i0ZX for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 09:52:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6360A1292AD for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 09:52:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=Y77x9m3XYHHmd9LmY2WIzRnohkI=; b=P7Bl19M7eDfJ+133 5XXN4gLluwurGqkmvjzEkLaKOmpGGzHsrVULNhb5q/XyShbRU/18mHFTo//SOZeD kDc5LAYtVUqRWTKF6HvV54v86jMmZP2eqdKZ2+dqGW2R5aKa34pOsF/UDsWpw9Jd 45Cs9ShfqMTeq8pRhlBUnKk6gN0= Received: by filter1245p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1245p1las1-6130-5C06BEE6-23 2018-12-04 17:52:38.506652564 +0000 UTC m=+61141.738859115 Received: from github-lowworker-dcd58f3.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.33]) by ismtpd0034p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id JOSiNGsfQA-li8oEMhjb2g for ; Tue, 04 Dec 2018 17:52:38.449 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-dcd58f3.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68691240D70 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 09:52:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 17:52:38 +0000 (UTC) From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Why ignore MAX_STREAM_DATA or MAX_DATA that don't increase the flow control limits (#2082) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c06bee665ab6_57593f9fc78d45b89417f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2cjTxCf4EXPr0cBhDKUmrDWfofdsnZMB+hrT b5JMmGHalGhRUTLW71sYQZ+t9D3Z7IFcoJw6ZZya0DDiRyIzewFTjKDflUyEZl3VlmwWvpBlQF27Q+ Ht9GtC+dJT9SrelmJgkQxlAANf8OMM+x15/iNgKEMTooljiJZ/Qmmuqv74hJMJuIrRQSf+1NXIUlD4 s= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 17:52:43 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c06bee665ab6_57593f9fc78d45b89417f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think the requirement on the sender is still correct. Regardless of where it occurs (packet scheduling, retransmission, or wire), this is fundamentally a statement about reordering tolerance on the recipient of MAX(_STREAM)?_DATA, which is the sender of data. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2082#issuecomment-444193899 ----==_mimepart_5c06bee665ab6_57593f9fc78d45b89417f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think the requirement on the sender is still correct. Regardless of where it occurs (packet scheduling, retransmission, or wire), this is fundamentally a statement about reordering tolerance on the recipient of MAX(_STREAM)?_DATA, which is the sender of data.

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Seems fine. I might flip around the statements to put the two that are logically similar together, though. You can error out if you receive:

  • The same sequence number with different values (CID or SRT)
  • A repeated CID (new sequence number)

For the latter, though, it seems like a more conservative approach would be to retire it immediately without using it. Unless you're keeping a full history of CIDs for the life of the connection, you're probably not 100% certain it's a repeat, just that there was a hash collision and a repeat might have occurred.

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I don't think so, since we aren't doing that in the draft. We're not r= equiring anyone to implement the code as is. And if they want to do this = adaptively, implementers will have to depart from the draft anyways. This= change makes the draft tighter (and more readable, IMO).

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----==_mimepart_5c06c50f9cb63_6cd3ff2ce0d45c0748681-- From nobody Tue Dec 4 10:24:39 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 674F2130ED9 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 10:24:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xIXov_jMcPZX for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 10:24:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9F6F3130E9D for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 10:24:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 10:24:36 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543947876; bh=jQ8tty8RRtMZe+o5kBhW5Mz5WebpVgdWgnzFgn0kVMo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ft0HNvlYA2YXNM7W2Q2/4winfDX8M3GINuOh9PbkneTHowbmaIjoAyIrm38TVO2qv kutBE+JaN4KowOZCpoSlK6eH8T8V+/ZvOO/hieeDHi9T+xgRZZSgEiHTyQoz94ELG4 yrI4qqBN3HYgacO9qKNjkarmG0H7R0CMyGK4rcss= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] create codec streams only when necessary (#2090) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c06c664385a_41c13f89d44d45c014270c4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 18:24:39 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c06c664385a_41c13f89d44d45c014270c4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MikeBishop approved this pull request. I'm of split mind on this. I see the benefit for small implementations, though I suspect that benefit is marginal. At first glance, this seems like an implementation can no longer create the streams and then hand them to the encoder/decoder implementations -- the stream has to get lazily initialized, not sending the type byte until the codec is ready to send something further. This probably also means not claiming a Stream ID either (use in order!), which means that the Stream ID allotment might not be there when you do go to send something. Or, if you do claim the stream and then use a higher-numbered unidirectional stream, this one gets implicitly opened but the type byte is never sent, so it sits in limbo at the receiver. However, I think the key here is in waiting until SETTINGS is received. The new SETTINGS text says that you can operate in constrained mode (no dynamic table) before receiving SETTINGS. That would mean that the call to the codec providing the streams and the table size is a step after the encoder and decoder are already operational, rather than start-up initialization. This change, then, is simply a check in that call to determine whether to pass streams to the codec at all. Seen from that perspective, this seems more palatable. > Receipt of a second instance of either stream type MUST be treated as a connection error of HTTP_WRONG_STREAM_COUNT. Closure of either unidirectional stream MUST be treated as a connection error of type HTTP_CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM. +An endpoint MUST NOT create an encoder stream if the maximum size of the +dynamic table permitted by the peer is zero. Observation of a peer-initiated +encoder stream when the value is zero MUST be treated as a connection error of "without sending a non-zero value for `SETTINGS_HEADER_TABLE_SIZE`" > Receipt of a second instance of either stream type MUST be treated as a connection error of HTTP_WRONG_STREAM_COUNT. Closure of either unidirectional stream MUST be treated as a connection error of type HTTP_CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM. +An endpoint MUST NOT create an encoder stream if the maximum size of the +dynamic table permitted by the peer is zero. Observation of a peer-initiated +encoder stream when the value is zero MUST be treated as a connection error of +type HTTP_QPACK_ENCODER_STREAM_ERROR. + +An endpoint MUST NOT create a decoder stream until the peer opens an encoder +stream. Observation of a peer-initiated decoder stream that lacks the +corresponding encoder stream MUST be treated as a connection error of type "when no encoder stream has been initiated locally" -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2090#pullrequestreview-181408669 ----==_mimepart_5c06c664385a_41c13f89d44d45c014270c4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@MikeBishop approved this pull request.

I'm of split mind on this. I see the benefit for small implementation= s, though I suspect that benefit is marginal.

At first glance, this seems like an implementation can no longer creat= e the streams and then hand them to the encoder/decoder implementations -= - the stream has to get lazily initialized, not sending the type byte unt= il the codec is ready to send something further. This probably also mean= s not claiming a Stream ID either (use in order!), which means that the S= tream ID allotment might not be there when you do go to send something. = Or, if you do claim the stream and then use a higher-numbered unidirectio= nal stream, this one gets implicitly opened but the type byte is never se= nt, so it sits in limbo at the receiver.

However, I think the key here is in waiting until SETTINGS is received= . The new SETTINGS text says that you can operate in constrained mode (n= o dynamic table) before receiving SETTINGS. That would mean that the cal= l to the codec providing the streams and the table size is a step after t= he encoder and decoder are already operational, rather than start-up init= ialization. This change, then, is simply a check in that call to determi= ne whether to pass streams to the codec at all.

Seen from that perspective, this seems more palatable.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  Receipt of a second instance of either st=
ream type MUST be treated as a
 connection error of HTTP_WRONG_STREAM_COUNT.  Closure of either unidirec=
tional
 stream MUST be treated as a connection error of type
 HTTP_CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM.
 =

+An endpoint MUST NOT create an encoder stream if the maximum size of the=

+dynamic table permitted by the peer is zero.  Observation of a peer-init=
iated
+encoder stream when the value is zero MUST be treated as a connection er=
ror of

"without sending a non-zero value for SETTINGS_HEADER_TABLE_SIZE= "

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  Receipt of a second instance of either st=
ream type MUST be treated as a
 connection error of HTTP_WRONG_STREAM_COUNT.  Closure of either unidirec=
tional
 stream MUST be treated as a connection error of type
 HTTP_CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM.
 =

+An endpoint MUST NOT create an encoder stream if the maximum size of the=

+dynamic table permitted by the peer is zero.  Observation of a peer-init=
iated
+encoder stream when the value is zero MUST be treated as a connection er=
ror of
+type HTTP_QPACK_ENCODER_STREAM_ERROR.
+
+An endpoint MUST NOT create a decoder stream until the peer opens an enc=
oder
+stream.  Observation of a peer-initiated decoder stream that lacks the
+corresponding encoder stream MUST be treated as a connection error of ty=
pe

"when no encoder stream has been initiated locally"

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Minor process point: this is a design change that really ought to have an issue.

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One can check against the current set (I do). It's probably too costly to keep a full history.

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I might flip around the statements to put the two that are logically sim= ilar together

The proposed wording is similar to your list, @MikeBishop, but wi= th CID and seqno swapped:

  • The same CID with different values (seqno or RT)
  • A repeated seqno (new CID)

I don't think one is better than the other.

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It's worth noting one of @kazuho's earlier comments raises a race con= dition that still appears possible here:

Request A or Control: PRIORITY( A -> B )
Request B: PRIORITY( B -> A )
Control: PRIORITY( A -> C )

These two initial frames race on parallel streams. Which is the child o= f the other? When A becomes a child of C, does B come with it?

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What if we duplicate the priority information on the control stream? If the priority of the new stream has already been set by the control stream, ignore the priority information on the request stream.

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----==_mimepart_5c06d1614fc86_2a6a3ff04ecd45b418558eb-- From nobody Tue Dec 4 11:11:59 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B54EC130EC3 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 11:11:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.747 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.747 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kSb2DWoZqRJg for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 11:11:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from m71-131.mailgun.net (m71-131.mailgun.net [166.78.71.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5BBA4130E62 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 11:11:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1543950714; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=X9Q+PqEE3aiH91+mR80YbZjlicif/6RyJ9P9r1DOTeI=; b=m8Fj8w4dEabYKAOgvu1tfYwbPGKhkCOx+vf52cNTsZIrbAPzg47cZaBbzE2Z/cqMYtFUcwIp 0mYhT2Je4NprkMNsHK62ot/SO3E8RghcxrrNXZ44zB6WrOFpR+asp+rXQOOWQtx8tdWpQlVB 1rNVE3nirNOky42Ng76xt4MxoxE= X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.71.131 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.37]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 5c06d17a.7f33decc0d80-smtp-out-n01; Tue, 04 Dec 2018 19:11:54 -0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 11:11:54 -0800 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5c06d17a8a8bc_7ccf2b1ea66c058070172@hookshot-fe-2cc8887.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 316f7f: Fix for off-path migration attack Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c06d17a8a532_7ccf2b1ea66c0580700a2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 19:11:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c06d17a8a532_7ccf2b1ea66c0580700a2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 316f7f1313bd89656f467f036916047fbc45a182 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/316f7f1313bd89656f467f036916047fbc45a182 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-21 (Wed, 21 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fix for off-path migration attack This is not an easy attack to defend against, except for probabilistically. So what we do is recommend more probing on old paths to give the endpoint that is apparently migrating more opportunities to cause the connection to migrate away from the path chosen by an attacker. I've tweaked surrounding text a little. The most interesting being the 3RTO timer on path validation. It's not the right number, but I don't think that the right number is attainable, and this is close enough. This text isn't final. I'd like it to be more accurate AND shorter, but lack the skills and perspective. Closes #1278, #1749. Commit: 8a385bee3ede8f5432c63da44ec3f82bbd3ab265 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8a385bee3ede8f5432c63da44ec3f82bbd3ab265 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-23 (Fri, 23 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Some editorial tweaks Commit: 567ab8e3619bc25b72a0937656c9cf1e14bc84b0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/567ab8e3619bc25b72a0937656c9cf1e14bc84b0 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-23 (Fri, 23 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Heuristics are the worst Commit: 5cc1b8117531decd9d23215d227de6761cd8b0d4 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5cc1b8117531decd9d23215d227de6761cd8b0d4 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-05 (Wed, 05 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Split paragraph Commit: 9ffc6af4e04cf8f672c9e303a0908eef71db8460 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9ffc6af4e04cf8f672c9e303a0908eef71db8460 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-05 (Wed, 05 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Editorial suggestions Commit: bfd506d139cf7cb44adaa1aa5823967c0f2898dd https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/bfd506d139cf7cb44adaa1aa5823967c0f2898dd Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-05 (Wed, 05 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2033 from quicwg/migration-fix Fix for off-path migration attack Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/ff532d0bceb0...bfd506d139cf **NOTE:** This service has been marked for deprecation: https://developer.github.com/changes/2018-04-25-github-services-deprecation/ Functionality will be removed from GitHub.com on January 31st, 2019. ----==_mimepart_5c06d17a8a532_7ccf2b1ea66c0580700a2-- From nobody Tue Dec 4 11:12:38 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0127E130FF1 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 11:12:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4Hwx61Nrp3yg for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 11:12:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A458C130FB7 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 11:12:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 11:12:25 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543950745; bh=1RFitDNGeURLwyBlF9/i0G7smtIv6EtgX1bmDkN3Xc0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=iF75sA+i8K/cAA2IoSjQrC93G/p3uhRH2cbAt/QxW+rZC3JEy3XIeGkXre3onkT4n +l6oah9OSPHitPDcIXRaWMO0zsI/3e7RGD3SJdyFyP0gMeSUn7QRfaBcOOl9QuoIZo bR3h31X92r/QWHYyMwA+fj/Im5JgTQuDFSzjk0g0= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Push Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Fix for off-path migration attack (#2033) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c06d199dec85_6e43fecfd4d45c020807d4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: push X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 19:12:37 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c06d199dec85_6e43fecfd4d45c020807d4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinthomson pushed 2 commits. 5cc1b8117531decd9d23215d227de6761cd8b0d4 Split paragraph 9ffc6af4e04cf8f672c9e303a0908eef71db8460 Editorial suggestions -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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----==_mimepart_5c06d55e5913_65693fac8c4d45b8211799-- From nobody Tue Dec 4 11:31:18 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1760D130E36 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 11:31:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9CrnUB9AARoo for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 11:31:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5FA1E127598 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 11:31:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 11:31:12 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543951872; bh=qMvb/dP2cX4OvV0xgwGpE0NQWhsE0X3w0Em5oErQgSg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=BYk4yehx84W8zLHRttu3ejOm3d2uquDNtTKfrMVQlmNpewZT05ONo6vzzISIZZR3E fc2ccpHUZMSJweCYW9/2TE76xI7gjEwwNiDMaFg1DiHM63+VYqhtMlLuCypioxAbpq AR4CNatK5Y8h2sB4gg0niOKqBuVfQWMHsNDEHv3o= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Define initial PRIORITY frame and remove exclusive dependencies (#2075) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c06d6003aa95_75a73fc4558d45c42280aa"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 19:31:16 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c06d6003aa95_75a73fc4558d45c42280aa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, I believe that ensures there's a complete ordering and eventual consistency. Even if an initial PRIORITY frame on a different stream gets things off-kilter briefly, the control stream will ensure the correct order wins in the end. With a quick exploration of the sequence above, I can't find one in which the end state is incorrect. Should that be "MAY/SHOULD repeat the desired prioritization on the control stream if dependencies are modified in close succession," or do you think repeating it should be a hard requirement? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2075#issuecomment-444227538 ----==_mimepart_5c06d6003aa95_75a73fc4558d45c42280aa Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Let's start by stating the requirement: we want connection establishment to succeed, even in presence of "attackers on the side" that can forge and send arbitrary packets to client and servers. @kazuho designed a server side defense, which is the first step in the "attacker on the side" defense. The client attempts to start a connection by sending a "Client Hello" packet to the server. Different client hellos create different contexts on the server, regardless of the contents of headers or of the addresses. To each context corresponds an handshake encryption key. Messages sent with that encryption key can only originate from the sender of the Client Hello. For one of the contexts, that origin will be the actual client. For the other contexts, it might be an attacker. Protecting the server is not enough, because the attackers can spoof server responses. The client may receive several different "Server Hello" packets in response to a single "Client Hello". By default, the client cannot verify that the Server Hello originated from the intended server -- the server credentials will only arrive much later in the exchange. In the absence of server authentication, the client needs to open a connection context for each different Server Hello. Each context will be associated with an encryption key. Just like in the server case, each context is associated with the actual sender of the Server Hello. One of these contexts will be associated with the intended servers. The client will only find out which one after it processes the server credentials, which will be received in the handshake messages. Until that, the client will have to process all messages in parallel. This algorithm is hard to implement in QUIC V1, because the identifies its "connection context" with a single Connection Identifier (CID), which it commits to in the Initial packet -- and it has to do that, unless we want to spend an extra RTT in the connection setup. The parallel execution supposes managing several client contexts, each associated with a handshake key. We would get the following flow: 1) Client sends Client Hello with Dest=ICID, Srce= CCID. 2) Server receives Client Hello, creates context based on Server Hello content, picks SCID 3) Server sends Server Hello with Dest= CCID, Source=SCID 4) Client receives Server Hello, associates context with the tuple (CCID, SCID) 5) Server sends Handshake messages with Dest= CCID, Source=SCID 6) Client verifies the messages with Handshake key associated with CCID, SCID. Messages that fail authentication are ignored. 7) Client sends ACK, etc with Dest=SCID, Srce=CCID 8) Client validate server credentials. Connection is established. This works as long as the attacker forges its responses without knowledge of the server's SCID. If the attacker sees the first Server Hello (step 3), it can race a competing Server Hello with the same CCID, SCID. If the attacker wins the race, it will effectively "own" the context (CCID, SCID). To make that work, we need an extra parameter, for example a "Server Token" that would be carried in the Server Initial packets and also in the handshake packets, and that could be verified by the client. For example, the token could be the hash of the "Server Hello", computed with the hash algorithm negotiated for the handshake. The modified algorithm would be: 1) Client sends Client Hello with Dest=ICID, Srce= CCID. 2) Server receives Client Hello, creates context based on Server Hello content, picks SCID 3) Server sends Server Hello with Dest= CCID, Source=SCID, token = hash(Server Hello) 4) Client receives Server Hello, verifies the token. If the token does not match, the message is ignored. If it matches, client associates context with the tuple (CCID, SCID, Token) 5) Server sends Handshake messages with Dest= CCID, Source=SCID, Token = hash(Server Hello) 6) Client verifies the messages with Handshake key associated with (CCID, SCID, Token). Messages that fail authentication are ignored. 7) Client sends ACK, etc with Dest=SCID, Srce=CCID (No need for the server token there). 8) Client validate server credentials. Connection is established. Adding the server token to the server's Initial and Handshake messages would be a significant change in the protocol, and adding speculative evaluation of multiple contexts would be a significant burden to the clients. There are other issues, such as how to handle HRR and stateless Retry, or how to signal that the server is busy without allowing attackers to spoof the busy signal. The Stateless Retry can probably be handled by creating yet another parallel evaluation context on the client. We would need to transport HRR responses in something like a Stateless Retry. And the client that really wants to be immune to DOS attacks should probably just ignore the busy signals, which is of course a tradeoff between robustness and responsiveness. This creates a big set of changes, somewhat similar to the "stream zero reset" that the WG went through in June. Such a change would likely delay the WG by another 3 or 4 months, and result in a fairly heavy weight connection protocol. So maybe we should explore the other potential defense, "verify that the Server Hello originated from the intended server". The flow would then be: 1) Client sends Client Hello with Dest=ICID, Srce= CCID. 2) Server receives Client Hello, creates context based on Server Hello content, picks SCID 3) Server sends Server Hello with Dest= CCID, Source=SCID 4) Client receives Server Hello, performs server origin verification, associates context with the tuple (CCID, SCID) 5) Server sends Handshake messages with Dest= CCID, Source=SCID 6) Client verifies the messages with Handshake key associated with CCID, SCID. Messages that fail authentication are ignored. 7) Client sends ACK, etc with Dest=SCID, Srce=CCID 8) Client validate server credentials. Connection is established. This is pretty much the same flow as Quic V1, with just an extra authentication added. We can debate what the server authentication should be. I think that we have a potential solution with something like ESNI, which uses a public key published by the "fronting server". The Server Hello could be verified by somehow demonstrating knowledge of that public key. Since ESNI and resistance to censorship go very much hand in hand, reusing the same credential would not be too much of a stretch. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2097 ----==_mimepart_5c06e333a3bf_7efb3fa9af0d45c4246584 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The more I am watching the long discussion of Pr #2076 and related email thread, the more I believe that the we cannot solve the problem by just requiring parallel evaluation of multiple contexts by the client. Let's start by stating the requirement: we want connection establishment to succeed, even in presence of "attackers on the side" that can forge and send arbitrary packets to client and servers.

@kazuho designed a server side defense, which is the first step in the "attacker on the side" defense. The client attempts to start a connection by sending a "Client Hello" packet to the server. Different client hellos create different contexts on the server, regardless of the contents of headers or of the addresses. To each context corresponds an handshake encryption key. Messages sent with that encryption key can only originate from the sender of the Client Hello. For one of the contexts, that origin will be the actual client. For the other contexts, it might be an attacker.

Protecting the server is not enough, because the attackers can spoof server responses. The client may receive several different "Server Hello" packets in response to a single "Client Hello". By default, the client cannot verify that the Server Hello originated from the intended server -- the server credentials will only arrive much later in the exchange. In the absence of server authentication, the client needs to open a connection context for each different Server Hello. Each context will be associated with an encryption key. Just like in the server case, each context is associated with the actual sender of the Server Hello. One of these contexts will be associated with the intended servers. The client will only find out which one after it processes the server credentials, which will be received in the handshake messages. Until that, the client will have to process all messages in parallel.

This algorithm is hard to implement in QUIC V1, because the identifies its "connection context" with a single Connection Identifier (CID), which it commits to in the Initial packet -- and it has to do that, unless we want to spend an extra RTT in the connection setup. The parallel execution supposes managing several client contexts, each associated with a handshake key. We would get the following flow:

  1. Client sends Client Hello with Dest=ICID, Srce= CCID.
  2. Server receives Client Hello, creates context based on Server Hello content, picks SCID
  3. Server sends Server Hello with Dest= CCID, Source=SCID
  4. Client receives Server Hello, associates context with the tuple (CCID, SCID)
  5. Server sends Handshake messages with Dest= CCID, Source=SCID
  6. Client verifies the messages with Handshake key associated with CCID, SCID. Messages that fail authentication are ignored.
  7. Client sends ACK, etc with Dest=SCID, Srce=CCID
  8. Client validate server credentials. Connection is established.

This works as long as the attacker forges its responses without knowledge of the server's SCID. If the attacker sees the first Server Hello (step 3), it can race a competing Server Hello with the same CCID, SCID. If the attacker wins the race, it will effectively "own" the context (CCID, SCID). To make that work, we need an extra parameter, for example a "Server Token" that would be carried in the Server Initial packets and also in the handshake packets, and that could be verified by the client. For example, the token could be the hash of the "Server Hello", computed with the hash algorithm negotiated for the handshake. The modified algorithm would be:

  1. Client sends Client Hello with Dest=ICID, Srce= CCID.
  2. Server receives Client Hello, creates context based on Server Hello content, picks SCID
  3. Server sends Server Hello with Dest= CCID, Source=SCID, token = hash(Server Hello)
  4. Client receives Server Hello, verifies the token. If the token does not match, the message is ignored. If it matches, client associates context with the tuple (CCID, SCID, Token)
  5. Server sends Handshake messages with Dest= CCID, Source=SCID, Token = hash(Server Hello)
  6. Client verifies the messages with Handshake key associated with (CCID, SCID, Token). Messages that fail authentication are ignored.
  7. Client sends ACK, etc with Dest=SCID, Srce=CCID (No need for the server token there).
  8. Client validate server credentials. Connection is established.

Adding the server token to the server's Initial and Handshake messages would be a significant change in the protocol, and adding speculative evaluation of multiple contexts would be a significant burden to the clients. There are other issues, such as how to handle HRR and stateless Retry, or how to signal that the server is busy without allowing attackers to spoof the busy signal. The Stateless Retry can probably be handled by creating yet another parallel evaluation context on the client. We would need to transport HRR responses in something like a Stateless Retry. And the client that really wants to be immune to DOS attacks should probably just ignore the busy signals, which is of course a tradeoff between robustness and responsiveness.

This creates a big set of changes, somewhat similar to the "stream zero reset" that the WG went through in June. Such a change would likely delay the WG by another 3 or 4 months, and result in a fairly heavy weight connection protocol. So maybe we should explore the other potential defense, "verify that the Server Hello originated from the intended server". The flow would then be:

  1. Client sends Client Hello with Dest=ICID, Srce= CCID.
  2. Server receives Client Hello, creates context based on Server Hello content, picks SCID
  3. Server sends Server Hello with Dest= CCID, Source=SCID
  4. Client receives Server Hello, performs server origin verification, associates context with the tuple (CCID, SCID)
  5. Server sends Handshake messages with Dest= CCID, Source=SCID
  6. Client verifies the messages with Handshake key associated with CCID, SCID. Messages that fail authentication are ignored.
  7. Client sends ACK, etc with Dest=SCID, Srce=CCID
  8. Client validate server credentials. Connection is established.

This is pretty much the same flow as Quic V1, with just an extra authentication added. We can debate what the server authentication should be. I think that we have a potential solution with something like ESNI, which uses a public key published by the "fronting server". The Server Hello could be verified by somehow demonstrating knowledge of that public key. Since ESNI and resistance to censorship go very much hand in hand, reusing the same credential would not be too much of a stretch.

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----==_mimepart_5c06e333a3bf_7efb3fa9af0d45c4246584-- From nobody Tue Dec 4 12:33:56 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C50D5130E3B for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 12:33:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fiNML9pSKK7z for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 12:33:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 851BF12D4E7 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 12:33:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 12:33:50 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543955630; bh=LZT40DNHpEncqJ28eXKu0l95yLd742NzgMG8Pf/aE0c=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=bhz9Cx6X9aPMuKkiSStRS/qjKDD0Vm87fMif0Z2HS6gxkk5KueJVazjXjJgBoU4qR S9k3SoT4EWUm2qD+CYdYiGOvmMQG5aBl2ULLMaJxLuXIv7wbOBLA/Z9+Cmnk/YNE0A tui46CI0wIUScK4UwAvcPS2aNqxXqkXiO21G1KTw= From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Define initial PRIORITY frame and remove exclusive dependencies (#2075) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c06e4ae19a14_21df3fea310d45c0834a5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 20:33:54 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c06e4ae19a14_21df3fea310d45c0834a5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think a hard requirement is too expensive. The only reason to duplicate the priority information from the request stream is if the priority changes, otherwise it's a waste. Case 1: superfluous duplication Request A: PRIORITY( A -> B ) Control: PRIORITY( A -> B ) Case 2: race possible Request A: PRIORITY( A -> B ) Control: PRIORITY( A -> C ) Case 3: ensure eventual consistency Request A: PRIORITY( A -> B ) Control: **PRIORITY(A - B)**; PRIORITY( A -> C ) My guess is that most clients will fall under Case 1. If request priority changes, the client should use Case 3. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2075#issuecomment-444247799 ----==_mimepart_5c06e4ae19a14_21df3fea310d45c0834a5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think a hard requirement is too expensive. The only reason to dupli= cate the priority information from the request stream is if the priority = changes, otherwise it's a waste.

Case 1: superfluous duplication

Request A: PRIORITY( A -> B )
Control: PRIORITY( A -> B )

Case 2: race possible

Request A: PRIORITY( A -> B )
Control: PRIORITY( A -> C )

Case 3: ensure eventual consistency

Request A: PRIORITY( A -> B )
Control: PRIORITY(A - B); PRIORITY( A -> C )

My guess is that most clients will fall under Case 1. If request prio= rity changes, the client should use Case 3.

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It's worth noting one of @kazuho's earlier comments raises a ra= ce condition that still appears possible here:

Request A or Control: PRIORITY( A -> B )
Request B: PRIORITY( B -> A )
Control: PRIORITY( A -> C )

These two initial frames race on parallel streams. Which is the child = of the other? When A becomes a child of C, does B come with it?

FWIW, I do not think we have a race here.

For the case of:

Request A: PRIORITY(A -> B)
Request B: PRIORITY(B -> A)
Control: PRIORITY(A -> C)

I am not sure if that would ever happen.

Having request A's initial PRIORITY specifying B as it parent and requ= est B's initial PRIORITY specifying A means that there was a loop whe= n the client created the two streams.

That's a peculiar behavior of a client and I do not think that we need= to address that.

For the case of:

Control: PRIORITY(A -> B)
Request B: PRIORITY(B -> A)
Control: PRIORITY(A -> C)

Under the premise that the client adds requests to the priority tree o= ne by one and at the same time emits a INITIAL_PRIORITY frame, and that f= urther modifications are signaled using the control streams, a server can= determine the order of this pattern; PRIORITY(B -> A) predated PRIORI= TY(A -> B).

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@ianswett, does this fix an issue?

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For your second, there's no loop. B depends on A, regardless of A's anc= estry. B might attach to A before or after it gets reparented, but that's = fine.

For the first, though, there's defined behavior (in 7540) of creating a = dependency on a descendant -- that descendant implicitly moves up to become= a peer, then the dependency stated in the priority frame is created. A cl= ient trying to leverage this behavior could produce that sequence.

Another option would be to instead say that declaring a dependency on a = descendant is always an error, and you need to explicitly perform the eleva= tion-to-peer step (on the control stream). That would be consistent with r= emoving exclusive dependencies, because it's eliminating another implicit m= utation of the priority tree.

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(#2005) As discussed in #2002, there are two ways to encode Delta Base Index of zero at the wire level; i.e. (sign-bit, delta-base-index) = (0, 0) and (1, 0). To avoid having multiple ways to represent one value, we prohibit the latter form from being used. A receiver is required to raise an error when it sees the latter. This is not only an unnecessary complexity but also contradicts from the approach we use for Post-Base Indexes. In case of Post- Base Indexes, we introduce an offset of one so that the Post-Base Index of zero and a non-Post-Base Index of zero do not overlap. 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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c06f112e892a_53332ae0c70ee584864f8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 21:36:47 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c06f112e892a_53332ae0c70ee584864f8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: a21a18a138b4871d520df219e745f7d311f1c106 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a21a18a138b4871d520df219e745f7d311f1c106 Author: Dmitri Tikhonov Date: 2018-12-04 (Tue, 04 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md Log Message: ----------- QPACK wording fix: decoders dont receive resets (#2014) * Fix wording: decoders don't receive resets * Reflow paragraph to fit into 80 columns * Replace one more 'a decoder' with 'an endpoint' * Fix: endpoints receive resets and deal with streams **NOTE:** This service has been marked for deprecation: https://developer.github.com/changes/2018-04-25-github-services-deprecation/ Functionality will be removed from GitHub.com on January 31st, 2019. ----==_mimepart_5c06f112e892a_53332ae0c70ee584864f8-- From nobody Tue Dec 4 13:42:46 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB94E130FE9 for ; 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A client trying to leverage this behavior could produce that sequence. I think I might have been unclear. My point is that if PRIORITY(A -> B) carried on a request stream implies that stream B existed when A was created, and that PRIORITY(B -> A) implies the reverse. Because streams are created in order, that would never happen "under the premise that the client adds requests to the priority tree one by one and at the same time emits a INITIAL_PRIORITY frame". (copied the last subsentence from my comment above that explained the premise for the different case) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2075#issuecomment-444269784 ----==_mimepart_5c06f4c621063_57b43f9ecdad45c0248141 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

For the first, though, there's defined behavior (in 7540) of creating a = dependency on a descendant -- that descendant implicitly moves up to become= a peer, then the dependency stated in the priority frame is created. A cli= ent trying to leverage this behavior could produce that sequence.

I think I might have been unclear.

My point is that if PRIORITY(A -> B) carried on a request stream impl= ies that stream B existed when A was created, and that PRIORITY(B -> A) = implies the reverse.

Because streams are created in order, that would never happen "under the= premise that the client adds requests to the priority tree one by one and = at the same time emits a INITIAL_PRIORITY frame".

(copied the last subsentence from my comment above that explained the pr= emise for the different case)

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The first scenario can be attacked all the way up to point 8. certific= ate validation because an attacker seeing only client messages can create= its own handshake key that competes with the server. The client will hav= e to process all alternative handshake keys and alternative SCID values u= ntil one handshake passes certificate validation.

The second scenario with server token is not an improvement since the = attacker can just provide it own fully valid ServerHello with a token. It= will also eventually fail certificate, but only after consuming resource= s.

A fix to the above would be if the client already knows the server pub= lic key and the server signs a challenge in the first packet it responds.= That challenge could be the ICID. This corresponds to step 4 in the thir= d flow in the above.

If the server knows the clients public key (not usually the case, but = can be used server to server), the client can can send a signed nonce.

NOTE: if the ICID is a hash of the ClientHello this prevents an attack= where the attacker races a client initial. If the attacker attempts to c= opy the ICID with its own ClientHello, the handshake key will fail. If th= e attacker attempts to copy the ICID and the ClientHello, it will just be= a retransmission, and the attacker will not have achieved anything. This= assumes the initial packet only contains what is hashed in ICID.

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Allow the HTTP/3 DATA frame to extend to the end of the stream if the
frame's payload length is 0.

Fixes issue #1885

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Commit Summary

  • Allow the HTTP/3 DATA frame to extend to the end of the stream

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----==_mimepart_5c06fd693d0bb_58503fc45d8d45bc2438fe-- From nobody Tue Dec 4 14:27:54 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 651E512E043 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 14:27:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VI-cC-YRZ5ZP for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 14:27:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from o5.sgmail.github.com (o5.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8BF521200B3 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 14:27:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=79NTSQXOFGQkKI2CMr4b5LqQ3Ew=; b=UtOjfpdiwPninVnx 9EG7u9qH9MPB/VXDBaK1tlGSOjzAzKmy4yuZHISkYTA8JKlxXDgD3nwq4Wq9rzFH lDKtXNTEvrzRF7Y0eGctCJy3eYFx8hhSTLH+SHMq6aUI/BWCDxO1+ebat2WFn0rx WWYdcZIAtxi8Exbezf8J7mM87cI= Received: by filter0558p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0558p1iad2-16368-5C06FF65-3 2018-12-04 22:27:49.109220711 +0000 UTC m=+74576.220093973 Received: from github-lowworker-56a5eb2.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.33]) by ismtpd0022p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id TSq2V93LTSqDjkRw7RBZYQ for ; Tue, 04 Dec 2018 22:27:49.039 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-56a5eb2.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06ECFC0A97 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 14:27:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 22:27:49 +0000 (UTC) From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow the HTTP/3 DATA frame to extend to the end of the stream (#2098) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c06ff653c8f_28f3fd5344d45c4535c8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2cAQyXzHuk4FtIzzMrALAfCGL1q8fDa7szw/ 9kecBYNTbhCYBkWVGHWEuv5hVbh4eWoYFRq2o8yezBMM67YHtd6uEO+yvDjpPQFV0TC15+JSfooM/l lBygEO5LbUQp6PPGBmog3yeobd3HL1shTxWooCr0I4mmRZrHo7/U6wdcIQ== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 22:27:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c06ff653c8f_28f3fd5344d45c4535c8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As stated previously, I'm a big fan of this, since it minimizes byte overhead and makes it easier to send and receive large responses efficiently. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2098#issuecomment-444283463 ----==_mimepart_5c06ff653c8f_28f3fd5344d45c4535c8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

As stated previously, I'm a big fan of this, since it minimizes byte overhead and makes it easier to send and receive large responses efficiently.

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=0D =0D= = ----==_mimepart_5c06ff677af6_27303fc3ed4d45b816963-- From nobody Tue Dec 4 14:30:35 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8241A129BBF for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 14:30:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7_1d-VC3NsMe for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 14:30:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 206C71200B3 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 14:30:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 14:30:29 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543962629; bh=yg4fycQ99Oxwl55kUhDa0zaLd850dKV77d3y6f9wlfU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=d3pC7yaUIEmo2Wts/W1sR9tQICF0FvgzuTyqWV2OOwW+Xnz65CtTfHEGIZiqgsgo0 O4oEl6PfRUL3YxqMr8Cq3AWvqfKLIQjDlsjAWCoEpX+TRyjE9Jeh4zAgmFaz8imtes B/PUO0XtTgzYqFVAClPCNXepYf2aqJDosAsWEa5M= From: David Schinazi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Correlating connection ids (#2084) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c070005719ee_9413f90544d45bc56973"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DavidSchinazi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 22:30:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c070005719ee_9413f90544d45bc56973 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It feels strange to me that this is an RFC8174 MUST NOT, as it's unclear how to enforce it. That said, I agree that this text should be constrained to external observers - and clearly define who that is. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2084#issuecomment-444284234 ----==_mimepart_5c070005719ee_9413f90544d45bc56973 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

It feels strange to me that this is an RFC8174 MUST NOT, as it's unclear how to enforce it. That said, I agree that this text should be constrained to external observers - and clearly define who that is.

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The first and second scenarios assume parallel processing of multiple contexts at clients and servers. Yes, that creates extra load. The goal of the defense is to sustain thst load until one of the contexts results in a valid connection.

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Why would that be an error? A QUIC STREAM frame may have a length of 0 and fin set without needing to contain an HTTP/3 frame, right?

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----==_mimepart_5c07013759b5e_7fef3fa31b0d45b423278c-- From nobody Tue Dec 4 14:40:08 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 417AE130EE8 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 14:40:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RlFyi1RhzTAa for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 14:40:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 25126130EAA for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 14:40:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 14:40:01 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543963201; bh=W0WfzKEZgzwkSMiTPIKriZ/K1qMDlYf3AbFyma8kmpM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=zVERKZXtTyHuRVKArv7fUjXcMgjYW2lF6eOjtvs4HrBF9gxgrkhbriQXg/gddTvgm 6rXjmf2z8SWys53BHGkpGJb6QLX7y9JWAQ1CTFSp7D5a0kEHCa0cnhzeGN872GRpUo 6OMvFt0lQbxN1AkhA/3hxss6rAjHCFP8SrS9gikg= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow the HTTP/3 DATA frame to extend to the end of the stream (#2098) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c070241f03f1_46b43ff1298d45b425045"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 22:40:07 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c070241f03f1_46b43ff1298d45b425045 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd prefer making DATA special since handling 0 in other frames is just a complication. Based on earlier discussion I believe there is a concern regarding footers that would prevent using extend to FIN together with footers. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2098#issuecomment-444287002 ----==_mimepart_5c070241f03f1_46b43ff1298d45b425045 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'd prefer making DATA special since handling 0 in other frames is just a complication.

Based on earlier discussion I believe there is a concern regarding footers that would prevent using extend to FIN together with footers.

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From a general architectural standpoint, I'm still inclined to make this a general property of frames, but I get the impression I'm in the minority with that.

If DATA is to be a special case, I'd want to add text where the Length field is defined that Length==0 has a special definition, with a forward reference.

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Fixes #1969 Commit: 4367f31056942f8692f972748dd4e06285bcc7f5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4367f31056942f8692f972748dd4e06285bcc7f5 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-06 (Tue, 06 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' into ianswett-both-thresholds Commit: aea6a4265e7386ac2c89aff9c7e0ee053b9de821 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/aea6a4265e7386ac2c89aff9c7e0ee053b9de821 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-06 (Tue, 06 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: 51ebc206ae583608e09242483a93ce9f509ba9b1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/51ebc206ae583608e09242483a93ce9f509ba9b1 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-06 (Tue, 06 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: c23f901273498cb372e1478ece502d0e7be86e0f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c23f901273498cb372e1478ece502d0e7be86e0f Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-06 (Tue, 06 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: c98a79c87d102d4544dadf2676161cd7db03fc62 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c98a79c87d102d4544dadf2676161cd7db03fc62 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-06 (Tue, 06 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: cd05b4526cf345e7749d07121a8ef16cae4fdffe https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/cd05b4526cf345e7749d07121a8ef16cae4fdffe Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-06 (Tue, 06 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: 1c2596eb43b86271f6fb12c8ee771e9c009f4900 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1c2596eb43b86271f6fb12c8ee771e9c009f4900 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-06 (Tue, 06 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: 52aa21aaa0e49b7db5c0f20c306bbb2dc18850be https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/52aa21aaa0e49b7db5c0f20c306bbb2dc18850be Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-07 (Wed, 07 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: 21635b4d047ca438b2cef45866913b218bda3455 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/21635b4d047ca438b2cef45866913b218bda3455 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-20 (Tue, 20 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Some of Jana's suggestions Commit: 316f7f1313bd89656f467f036916047fbc45a182 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/316f7f1313bd89656f467f036916047fbc45a182 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-21 (Wed, 21 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fix for off-path migration attack This is not an easy attack to defend against, except for probabilistically. So what we do is recommend more probing on old paths to give the endpoint that is apparently migrating more opportunities to cause the connection to migrate away from the path chosen by an attacker. I've tweaked surrounding text a little. The most interesting being the 3RTO timer on path validation. It's not the right number, but I don't think that the right number is attainable, and this is close enough. This text isn't final. I'd like it to be more accurate AND shorter, but lack the skills and perspective. Closes #1278, #1749. Commit: 8a385bee3ede8f5432c63da44ec3f82bbd3ab265 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8a385bee3ede8f5432c63da44ec3f82bbd3ab265 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-23 (Fri, 23 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Some editorial tweaks Commit: 567ab8e3619bc25b72a0937656c9cf1e14bc84b0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/567ab8e3619bc25b72a0937656c9cf1e14bc84b0 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-23 (Fri, 23 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Heuristics are the worst Commit: f1fce86b79689f5b5ba424ada6c48527205eabf5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f1fce86b79689f5b5ba424ada6c48527205eabf5 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2018-11-28 (Wed, 28 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Prohibit clients from declaring placeholders (#2056) * Prohibit clients from declaring placeholders * maintaining Commit: 60853e5f9f5eebe83b862aa8bf6108c40b29203c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/60853e5f9f5eebe83b862aa8bf6108c40b29203c Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2018-11-28 (Wed, 28 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- PING is reliably delivered Commit: 10b1fd666acfebadec3529208d727189bb3d6d7c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/10b1fd666acfebadec3529208d727189bb3d6d7c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-29 (Thu, 29 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Don't let the PMTU drop below 1280 The loss of packets on the path will be the signal that we use here. Closes #2063. Commit: ea010f4c5c665abcca80bb05214110f0981e9e8c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ea010f4c5c665abcca80bb05214110f0981e9e8c Author: Dmitri Tikhonov Date: 2018-11-29 (Thu, 29 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove paragraph talking about retaining DCID The paragraph in question became what it is now in 391641ed60351d5685d5121b261059862dfd8e63. Before CID sequence numbers, the endpoint that retired CIDs might have wanted to remember the CIDs it retired for some time to deduplicate NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames. Now this is no longer necessary and this paragraph is an oddity. Commit: ac5e4af758cd61329244297737b93c87c3889e3d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ac5e4af758cd61329244297737b93c87c3889e3d Author: Dmitri Tikhonov Date: 2018-11-29 (Thu, 29 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Fix four typos in recovery draft (#2071) Commit: 4ce582b087553eb8a881ea5f95139fed1a3c28a6 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4ce582b087553eb8a881ea5f95139fed1a3c28a6 Author: Dmitri Tikhonov Date: 2018-11-29 (Thu, 29 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Clarify sentence describing a misrouted Stateless Reset "is ineffective in causing errors" sounds a bit rough. This is an improvement. Commit: 7a6885f703b86b6e6172b3ea99a05d714a473353 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7a6885f703b86b6e6172b3ea99a05d714a473353 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-30 (Fri, 30 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2069 from quicwg/icmp-1280-limit Don't let the PMTU drop below 1280 Commit: 2b6078614d8c834186f287baa9d0e640e8ec9a83 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2b6078614d8c834186f287baa9d0e640e8ec9a83 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-30 (Fri, 30 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2070 from dtikhonov/201811291602-no-need-to-retain-dcid-knowledge Remove paragraph talking about retaining DCID Commit: 262c91d17b1918f5c4d419b13228b8a5d1560496 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/262c91d17b1918f5c4d419b13228b8a5d1560496 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-30 (Fri, 30 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2073 from dtikhonov/201811291727-reword-misrouted-reset-sentence Clarify sentence describing a misrouted Stateless Reset Commit: b240fb45485e48f0a6e8d41d44893ad7f72b37f0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b240fb45485e48f0a6e8d41d44893ad7f72b37f0 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-30 (Fri, 30 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- F Commit: 9398da2c93798a297c66000b9e21b6c96f0cd757 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9398da2c93798a297c66000b9e21b6c96f0cd757 Author: Dmitri Tikhonov Date: 2018-11-30 (Fri, 30 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Do no define connection as a conversation The target audience is not likely to be confused by the use of the term "connection." On the other hand, "conversation" is not defined in this document; it is a superfluous addition. "Encryption context" is similarly not defined and the only reference to it removed in this change. 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Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-12-03 (Mon, 03 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1974 from quicwg/ianswett-both-thresholds Recovery uses both time and packet thresholds Commit: 18774ce05e2a5d17ae8d5aa824ff5626a6b56564 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/18774ce05e2a5d17ae8d5aa824ff5626a6b56564 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-12-04 (Tue, 04 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Commit: a232df57d8340db5d01e0c8653ac8258125a52ae https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a232df57d8340db5d01e0c8653ac8258125a52ae Author: Dmitri Tikhonov Date: 2018-12-04 (Tue, 04 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- NEW_CONNECTION_ID: use sequence number for one CID only Commit: a91f2ff95e727ae39954861b643da1f7a51521c0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a91f2ff95e727ae39954861b643da1f7a51521c0 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-12-04 (Tue, 04 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2094 from quicwg/ping PING loss does not require repair Commit: ff532d0bceb0b5816621f88c5cf6381b15ef0e9d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ff532d0bceb0b5816621f88c5cf6381b15ef0e9d Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-12-04 (Tue, 04 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2068 from quicwg/pmtud Minor editorial changes Commit: 5cc1b8117531decd9d23215d227de6761cd8b0d4 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5cc1b8117531decd9d23215d227de6761cd8b0d4 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-05 (Wed, 05 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Split paragraph Commit: 9ffc6af4e04cf8f672c9e303a0908eef71db8460 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9ffc6af4e04cf8f672c9e303a0908eef71db8460 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-05 (Wed, 05 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Editorial suggestions Commit: bfd506d139cf7cb44adaa1aa5823967c0f2898dd https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/bfd506d139cf7cb44adaa1aa5823967c0f2898dd Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-05 (Wed, 05 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2033 from quicwg/migration-fix Fix for off-path migration attack Commit: fc92ac6f0c469258faf257740a88d0e6697ccdef https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fc92ac6f0c469258faf257740a88d0e6697ccdef Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-05 (Wed, 05 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2089 from quicwg/ianswett-repeat-tokens Repeat tokens in all Initial packets Commit: 1a39061b72e2cd2b65e0c13a94e15138bbeb1e0c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1a39061b72e2cd2b65e0c13a94e15138bbeb1e0c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-05 (Wed, 05 Dec 2018) 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(#2005) As discussed in #2002, there are two ways to encode Delta Base Index of zero at the wire level; i.e. (sign-bit, delta-base-index) = (0, 0) and (1, 0). To avoid having multiple ways to represent one value, we prohibit the latter form from being used. A receiver is required to raise an error when it sees the latter. This is not only an unnecessary complexity but also contradicts from the approach we use for Post-Base Indexes. In case of Post- Base Indexes, we introduce an offset of one so that the Post-Base Index of zero and a non-Post-Base Index of zero do not overlap. The commit adopts the approach to Delta Base Index; giving us consistency in the design and also removing an error check at the cost of requiring one subtraction. 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=0D =0D = ----==_mimepart_5c071be12f269_44863f98470d45c01937fd-- From nobody Tue Dec 4 16:32:16 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76B98130E0A for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 16:32:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.359 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.359 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rMJdi4zGEYUS for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 16:32:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from m71-131.mailgun.net (m71-131.mailgun.net [166.78.71.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B4451200B3 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 16:32:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1543969929; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=6KauJ5C5STElu3K/bJElnoz+QMiY+G5D4S/vXiRMhzY=; b=t4vdgPKjr5JJl7hVKWedUyRJ9juHqKtVtMipTJFhfUO69VsERb1t7/THbO/jI21ZuSI+y7ya bl+GALwUGe1jMtJwdK1aptt5KEkX+ePhCupzmi7+iPcVyg/tFiojAwnJeRfTVgZWhbTpGi1P 35UF3q2NA23jh1rvrsL0OP1Jo/U= X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.71.131 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Sender: mbishop=evequefou.be@github.com Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.37]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 5c071c89.7fc370de6ba0-smtp-out-n02; Wed, 05 Dec 2018 00:32:09 -0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 16:32:08 -0800 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: Mike Bishop To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5c071c88df343_4a652aedc9cc05746322@hookshot-fe-32b5f5b.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 8ad3ca: Recovery uses both time and packet thresholds Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c071c88deb9d_4a652aedc9cc057462c0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2018 00:32:15 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c071c88deb9d_4a652aedc9cc057462c0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/http/not_excusive Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 8ad3caba79f9a834520b2261a35ba0f6bed39d90 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8ad3caba79f9a834520b2261a35ba0f6bed39d90 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-06 (Tue, 06 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Recovery uses both time and packet thresholds Based on @pravb feedback at tcpm and my anecdotal experience, combining the two should work well. Fixes #1969 Commit: 4367f31056942f8692f972748dd4e06285bcc7f5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4367f31056942f8692f972748dd4e06285bcc7f5 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-06 (Tue, 06 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' into ianswett-both-thresholds Commit: aea6a4265e7386ac2c89aff9c7e0ee053b9de821 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/aea6a4265e7386ac2c89aff9c7e0ee053b9de821 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-06 (Tue, 06 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: 51ebc206ae583608e09242483a93ce9f509ba9b1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/51ebc206ae583608e09242483a93ce9f509ba9b1 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-06 (Tue, 06 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: c23f901273498cb372e1478ece502d0e7be86e0f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c23f901273498cb372e1478ece502d0e7be86e0f Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-06 (Tue, 06 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: c98a79c87d102d4544dadf2676161cd7db03fc62 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c98a79c87d102d4544dadf2676161cd7db03fc62 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-06 (Tue, 06 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: cd05b4526cf345e7749d07121a8ef16cae4fdffe https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/cd05b4526cf345e7749d07121a8ef16cae4fdffe Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-06 (Tue, 06 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: 1c2596eb43b86271f6fb12c8ee771e9c009f4900 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1c2596eb43b86271f6fb12c8ee771e9c009f4900 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-06 (Tue, 06 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: 52aa21aaa0e49b7db5c0f20c306bbb2dc18850be https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/52aa21aaa0e49b7db5c0f20c306bbb2dc18850be Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-07 (Wed, 07 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: 21635b4d047ca438b2cef45866913b218bda3455 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/21635b4d047ca438b2cef45866913b218bda3455 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-20 (Tue, 20 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Some of Jana's suggestions Commit: 316f7f1313bd89656f467f036916047fbc45a182 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/316f7f1313bd89656f467f036916047fbc45a182 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-21 (Wed, 21 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fix for off-path migration attack This is not an easy attack to defend against, except for probabilistically. So what we do is recommend more probing on old paths to give the endpoint that is apparently migrating more opportunities to cause the connection to migrate away from the path chosen by an attacker. I've tweaked surrounding text a little. The most interesting being the 3RTO timer on path validation. It's not the right number, but I don't think that the right number is attainable, and this is close enough. This text isn't final. I'd like it to be more accurate AND shorter, but lack the skills and perspective. Closes #1278, #1749. Commit: 8a385bee3ede8f5432c63da44ec3f82bbd3ab265 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8a385bee3ede8f5432c63da44ec3f82bbd3ab265 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-23 (Fri, 23 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Some editorial tweaks Commit: 567ab8e3619bc25b72a0937656c9cf1e14bc84b0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/567ab8e3619bc25b72a0937656c9cf1e14bc84b0 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-23 (Fri, 23 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Heuristics are the worst Commit: 60853e5f9f5eebe83b862aa8bf6108c40b29203c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/60853e5f9f5eebe83b862aa8bf6108c40b29203c Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2018-11-28 (Wed, 28 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- PING is reliably delivered Commit: 5afcc2a7c9a4bcd7dc0443e2c1c46b6f7e9f9d97 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5afcc2a7c9a4bcd7dc0443e2c1c46b6f7e9f9d97 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-30 (Fri, 30 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Rename to kTimeThreshold and kPacketThreshold Commit: d606f714ab878d577e09c71f7fca9dff009e6e8f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d606f714ab878d577e09c71f7fca9dff009e6e8f Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-30 (Fri, 30 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Add a reference to RACK Commit: fd835fafc27b439f39529a8bd1653362633baece https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fd835fafc27b439f39529a8bd1653362633baece Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-30 (Fri, 30 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: 561e22717749ccc0f7d8f22c8d9c8fdb52355954 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/561e22717749ccc0f7d8f22c8d9c8fdb52355954 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-30 (Fri, 30 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: 7560bb462cacfbfe7cfd5e56ceb12ba846fa03a5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7560bb462cacfbfe7cfd5e56ceb12ba846fa03a5 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-30 (Fri, 30 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: c3bc7bbecfcd015aea92ced387d2a5f6816791a2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c3bc7bbecfcd015aea92ced387d2a5f6816791a2 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-30 (Fri, 30 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' into ianswett-both-thresholds Commit: ddfe711e11ce216154b7b566433e5ebb12dcb97a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ddfe711e11ce216154b7b566433e5ebb12dcb97a Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-30 (Fri, 30 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: 86cb551026bbe831f73b7ccf5dbf82a0cafa974e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/86cb551026bbe831f73b7ccf5dbf82a0cafa974e Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2018-11-30 (Fri, 30 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Editorial rework Commit: e8ae5ad0bd8e7ae4b72c26e9c5a08ada7791f300 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e8ae5ad0bd8e7ae4b72c26e9c5a08ada7791f300 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2018-11-30 (Fri, 30 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- lint Commit: 6ad1106e093e75e2413a19733bca12ac8a41531e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6ad1106e093e75e2413a19733bca12ac8a41531e Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2018-11-30 (Fri, 30 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- clean up RACK reference Commit: 1088bb6e26d782d13ee05b85aa2985111ee33c5c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1088bb6e26d782d13ee05b85aa2985111ee33c5c Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2018-11-30 (Fri, 30 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- more changes Commit: e8277d1e4e1e5589c42a8f30d6522e7a3464a5b6 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e8277d1e4e1e5589c42a8f30d6522e7a3464a5b6 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-12-01 (Sat, 01 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Repeat tokens in all Initial packets The client repeats the token in all Initial packets. Also clarifies that the token is sent in Initial in a few spots. https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/quic/current/msg05071.html Commit: c3206b4990ab6ac7c06bfd106b1b5343f0ff88d1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c3206b4990ab6ac7c06bfd106b1b5343f0ff88d1 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-02 (Sun, 02 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Co-Authored-By: ianswett Commit: ce9e08e2374f0aea9abc35fae41ef4433a09a9a9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ce9e08e2374f0aea9abc35fae41ef4433a09a9a9 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2018-12-03 (Mon, 03 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Rewrap Commit: 1c3b5a245a3c135c60388fc902175b09c9267266 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1c3b5a245a3c135c60388fc902175b09c9267266 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-12-03 (Mon, 03 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Christian/Martin's suggestion Commit: 1f053104621da232d13b8872f586b0b9d7c90585 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1f053104621da232d13b8872f586b0b9d7c90585 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2018-12-03 (Mon, 03 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- comments Commit: 31a48d078982c28962d2798ccf3f7ae649f3c048 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/31a48d078982c28962d2798ccf3f7ae649f3c048 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2018-12-03 (Mon, 03 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- PING loss does not require repair Commit: 8a695c9e94c50c800ef44ed1f0153a6fc68bce6e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8a695c9e94c50c800ef44ed1f0153a6fc68bce6e Author: ianswett Date: 2018-12-03 (Mon, 03 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Co-Authored-By: janaiyengar Commit: 006843e6dd84ca4a6123814deac552c7fdb2a716 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Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2080 from quicwg/editorial-changes Editorial rework Commit: a06d6797096e1e0475db2993e2df5a93525e07f0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a06d6797096e1e0475db2993e2df5a93525e07f0 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-12-03 (Mon, 03 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- small fix Commit: f93fa1f9bb053325a925aa0bfba4e745a1e91090 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f93fa1f9bb053325a925aa0bfba4e745a1e91090 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-12-03 (Mon, 03 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1974 from quicwg/ianswett-both-thresholds Recovery uses both time and packet thresholds Commit: e80daba7a06aa4b50c6eb0b314450cf4963fabe7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e80daba7a06aa4b50c6eb0b314450cf4963fabe7 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2018-12-03 (Mon, 03 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Unnecessary variables Commit: 18774ce05e2a5d17ae8d5aa824ff5626a6b56564 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/18774ce05e2a5d17ae8d5aa824ff5626a6b56564 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-12-04 (Tue, 04 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Commit: a232df57d8340db5d01e0c8653ac8258125a52ae https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a232df57d8340db5d01e0c8653ac8258125a52ae Author: Dmitri Tikhonov Date: 2018-12-04 (Tue, 04 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- NEW_CONNECTION_ID: use sequence number for one CID only Commit: a91f2ff95e727ae39954861b643da1f7a51521c0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a91f2ff95e727ae39954861b643da1f7a51521c0 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-12-04 (Tue, 04 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2094 from quicwg/ping PING loss does not require repair Commit: 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https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/bfd506d139cf7cb44adaa1aa5823967c0f2898dd Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-05 (Wed, 05 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2033 from quicwg/migration-fix Fix for off-path migration attack Commit: fc92ac6f0c469258faf257740a88d0e6697ccdef https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fc92ac6f0c469258faf257740a88d0e6697ccdef Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-05 (Wed, 05 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2089 from quicwg/ianswett-repeat-tokens Repeat tokens in all Initial packets Commit: 1a39061b72e2cd2b65e0c13a94e15138bbeb1e0c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1a39061b72e2cd2b65e0c13a94e15138bbeb1e0c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-05 (Wed, 05 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2096 from dtikhonov/201812041052-one-cid-per-seqno NEW_CONNECTION_ID: use sequence number for one CID only Commit: a21a18a138b4871d520df219e745f7d311f1c106 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a21a18a138b4871d520df219e745f7d311f1c106 Author: Dmitri Tikhonov Date: 2018-12-04 (Tue, 04 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md Log Message: ----------- QPACK wording fix: decoders dont receive resets (#2014) * Fix wording: decoders don't receive resets * Reflow paragraph to fit into 80 columns * Replace one more 'a decoder' with 'an endpoint' * Fix: endpoints receive resets and deal with streams Commit: 6ed6021ebdf6f688b330c3e16bbacfc1d0464f3b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6ed6021ebdf6f688b330c3e16bbacfc1d0464f3b Author: Kazuho Oku Date: 2018-12-04 (Tue, 04 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md Log Message: ----------- Avoid having multiple ways to encode Delta Base Index of zero. (#2005) As discussed in #2002, there are two ways to encode Delta Base Index of zero at the wire level; i.e. (sign-bit, delta-base-index) = (0, 0) and (1, 0). To avoid having multiple ways to represent one value, we prohibit the latter form from being used. A receiver is required to raise an error when it sees the latter. This is not only an unnecessary complexity but also contradicts from the approach we use for Post-Base Indexes. In case of Post- Base Indexes, we introduce an offset of one so that the Post-Base Index of zero and a non-Post-Base Index of zero do not overlap. The commit adopts the approach to Delta Base Index; giving us consistency in the design and also removing an error check at the cost of requiring one subtraction. 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QUIC authenticates all of its headers and -encrypts most of the data it exchanges, including its signaling, to avoid +encrypts most of the data it exchanges -- including its signaling -- to avoid We're using hyphens instead of em-dashes... I used to write em-dashes, but @martinthomson normalized it all to hyphens, so he'll have to explain :-) That said, I think commas seem more appropriate here. Ultimately, I suspect the RFC-Editor will want to say something here. > @@ -383,7 +383,7 @@ data to a peer. ~~~ o | Create Stream (Sending) - | Create Bidirectional Stream (Receiving) + | Remote Creates Bidirectional Stream Change the text below as well, for transition from Ready to Send > that sends a STOP_SENDING frame can ignore the error code carried in any RESET_STREAM frame it receives. If the STOP_SENDING frame is received on a send stream that is already in the -"Data Sent" state, a RESET_STREAM frame MAY still be sent in order to cancel -retransmissions of previously-sent STREAM frames. +"Data Sent" state, an endpoint which wishes to cease retransmission of ```suggestion "Data Sent" state, an endpoint that wishes to cease retransmission of ``` > connection to be delivered to the wrong endpoint. Each endpoint selects connection IDs using an implementation-specific (and perhaps deployment-specific) method which will allow packets with that connection ID to be routed back to the endpoint and identified by the endpoint upon receipt. -Connection IDs MUST NOT contain any information that can be used to correlate +Connection IDs MUST NOT contain any information that can be used by to correlate ```suggestion Connection IDs MUST NOT contain any information that can be used by an external observer to correlate ``` > @@ -1337,7 +1339,8 @@ Source Connection IDs during the handshake. On first receiving an Initial or Retry packet from the server, the client uses the Source Connection ID supplied by the server as the Destination Connection ID for subsequent packets. That means that a client might change the Destination -Connection ID twice during connection establishment. Once a client has received +Connection ID twice during connection establishment, once in response to a +Retry and once in response to the server's Initial. Once a client has received ```suggestion Retry and once in response to the server's Initial packet. Once a client has received ``` > @@ -1377,7 +1380,8 @@ of duplicate transport parameters as a connection error of type TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR. A server MUST include the original_connection_id transport parameter -({{transport-parameter-definitions}}) if it sent a Retry packet. +({{transport-parameter-definitions}}) if it sent a Retry packet, in +order to enable validation of the Retry, as described in {{packet-retry}}. remove "in order" -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@RyanAtGoogle, it's also possible that a DATA frame with len=0 is sent, but then it turns out that there is no payload. Why should it be an error?

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If you already know, skip the the frame, otherwise 0 goes to end empty.

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But what if you don't know? Perhaps we should not add more error conditions where not strictly necessary.

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----==_mimepart_5c0725ba40535_1a213feaac6d45bc13843f-- From nobody Tue Dec 4 17:13:12 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A934B130DCF for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 17:13:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jdygXMansNPX for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 17:13:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-14.smtp.github.com (out-14.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 13521130DC2 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 17:13:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 17:13:08 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543972388; bh=lVSjGBLwefPll/r12rNrfFc2WEW0ZDHln3bzEnWCW2s=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=qD0ZswkXZmsEg6jMYMrQjDl4YU8bRRWbrv5xgpHBj51Kv+Dq4Pn6s3GwpdqXUAWYG ls0SELaMkvTLz70CHFgnxeOFjxtP7amRwXO3PGLvbzi3pi2MYAXuzHrX/KHlqBB6Pe YVOr+uEIgKSsck86IdOzn1lfThgLAIxA//Oe6Oag= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Define initial PRIORITY frame and remove exclusive dependencies (#2075) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c07262488416_785a3fee6ead45c0172617"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2018 01:13:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c07262488416_785a3fee6ead45c0172617 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I see the argument that a well-constructed client will not emit an inva= lid pattern. =F0=9F=99=82 It's not obvious to me how to turn that into a = rule the server would use for interpretation or prohibition of those patt= erns. Maybe a prohibition on referencing higher stream numbers in the ini= tial PRIORITY frame?=0D =0D :+1: I like the idea of banning referring to higher stream numbers in the= initial PRIORITY frame.=0D =0D My argument was simply that we can ignore the case (because nobody would = do that), but I agree that it would be even better if we can detect and p= rohibit such misuse.=0D =0D -- =0D You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.=0D Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub:=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2075#issuecomment-444320445= ----==_mimepart_5c07262488416_785a3fee6ead45c0172617 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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From a general architectural standpoint, I'm still inclined to make th= is a general property of frames, but I get the impression I'm in the mino= rity with that.

Since you're the author of the draft, your opinion carries more weight= .

FWIW, I agree with you: it should be a property of all frames.

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@MikeBishop and @dtikhonov To be clear, I am = happy with it being a property of all frames as well, but I thought this = approach had the most consensus.

@dtikhonov In regards to why no payload is an error, I hon= estly don't know why that was chosen in the existing text.

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Fixes part of #2060

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@kazuho pointed out offline (and I agree) that we need to exempt packets containing only non-retransmittable (argh, terminology) frames, since an ACK may be sent after an arbitrarily long period in this case.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -284,12 +284,12 @@ frame.  For more information, see Section 13.2 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
 ## Computing the RTT estimate
 
 RTT is calculated when an ACK frame arrives by computing the difference between
-the current time and the time the largest newly acked packet was sent.  If no
-packets are newly acknowledged, RTT cannot be calculated. When RTT is
-calculated, the ack delay field from the ACK frame SHOULD be subtracted from the
-RTT as long as the result is larger than the Min RTT.  If the result is smaller
-than the min_rtt, the RTT should be used, but the ack delay field should be
-ignored.
+the current time and the time the largest acked packet was sent.  If the largest
+acked is not newly acknowledged or not retransmittable, RTT cannot be
+calculated. When RTT is calculated, the ack delay field from the ACK frame

I would make this normative. "An RTT sample MUST NOT be taken for a packet that is not newly acknowledged or not retransmittable."

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----==_mimepart_5c074093250f9_5eb03fbc520d45b4183568-- From nobody Tue Dec 4 19:07:05 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37A48130DBE for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 19:07:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BWNRNqXQac0R for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 19:07:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2DFE1130DD2 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 19:07:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 19:07:01 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543979221; bh=CNMC5JO4h+1YQm9u360suGUVqwF8ZC8UpgMs3dPU0is=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=r6Tukm/GmqZWruxZP12kO0pugPIM0UJQ/OZTadqCzI8xdbU434Q+Ji0ObN7xhdFrk xer5ZIkRoPDIuTijLCODKcwIt/dpfVj/sQTe5bXQPH2sR+VmQ2vAAflDc72SM1d6MQ AKj8Fa8HKTUMb8uxSQCGejtfCggvYZ1qfEZuAciY= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] compensation of ack_delay is fragile against errors (#2060) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c0740d575334_590f3fddea2d45bc1344aa"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2018 03:07:04 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c0740d575334_590f3fddea2d45bc1344aa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @dtikhonov : The clock jumped up. It was monotonic. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2060#issuecomment-444342325 ----==_mimepart_5c0740d575334_590f3fddea2d45bc1344aa Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@dtikhonov : The clock jumped up. It was monotonic.

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@ianswett: Responding to your comment (here) and PR #2062. For (1), yes, that i= s true, but we have already put a stake in the ground: min_rtt is only dr= iven by what a sender measures and not by reported ack_delay. Under that = framework, no SRTT that is smaller than measured min_rtt will be valid. T= hat is a consequence we know and hopefully we should be measuring true mi= n_rtt often enough that this isn't a problem.

Basically, my core argument is this: SRTT is used for loss detection a= nd potentially congestion control and pacing.

  • A too-small SRTT is more aggressive: it causes too-early loss detecti= on and might cause a congestion controller that uses RTT samples to get a= one-off min_rtt sample. It might also cause a pacer to go a bit too fast= .
  • A too-large SRTT is more conservative.

Given that this is a mis-reporting receiver, a natural consequence of = mis-reporting should be poor performance, not more aggressive sending.

I still think the sender should ignore a computed latest_rtt sample wh= ich seems to be smaller than min_rtt.

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=0D = ----==_mimepart_5c07721f65d40_4a1b3fa256ed45bc201585-- From nobody Tue Dec 4 23:47:30 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1774812D4F1 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 23:47:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oX4PM-3f7XOC for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 23:47:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6DD70129A87 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 23:47:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 23:47:26 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1543996046; bh=CRsdOj+v7JwnPqh+aB+gLcdZbF0DD8+Q23NgEQiJK7M=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=jm2/vWiZhPjtk9y02atakKB7YNij3hzZlHUWKGH2xqVZN5/Eujm/kzdqousB6Koz+ 03HbJJMqHZQftQxbMc09cr4ZOSCTFQyjc3eOG3TNJA75WO9daKmkAnMyJRDNwsrhng l545hTPZyXmvpak8f48kzKB+408e0BJT6i1HhmCI= From: IngJohEricsson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Sender-Controlled Delayed ACK Ratio (#1978) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c07828e6075a_39f13fac7b0d45b41042483"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: IngJohEricsson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2018 07:47:29 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c07828e6075a_39f13fac7b0d45b41042483 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A bit late into this discussion. Have you discussed something like two dimensionless parameters K and N Where MaxAckDelay = RTT/K MaxPacketsBeforeAck = N The values K and N are signaled/negotiated between the peers. Suggested default values would be K=4 and N=10 or whatever is deemed as proper. One issue I see is that RTT may be unknown in the (first part of) the initial handshake. And then one can discuss if it should be RTT or SRTT.. One positive property (as I see it) is that we avoid fixing ourselves into discussions about time unit and that can be good as QUIC may be used in long haul as well as data center applications. /Ingemar -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1978#issuecomment-444390258 ----==_mimepart_5c07828e6075a_39f13fac7b0d45b41042483 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

A bit late into this discussion.
Have you discussed something like two dimensionless parameters K and N Where
MaxAckDelay =3D RTT/K
MaxPacketsBeforeAck =3D N

The values K and N are signaled/negotiated between the peers. Suggeste= d default values would be K=3D4 and N=3D10 or whatever is deemed as prop= er.
One issue I see is that RTT may be unknown in the (first part of) the ini= tial handshake. And then one can discuss if it should be RTT or SRTT.. One positive property (as I see it) is that we avoid fixing ourselves int= o discussions about time unit and that can be good as QUIC may be used in= long haul as well as data center applications.

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@huitema

This works as long as the attacker forges its responses without knowle= dge of the server's SCID. If the attacker sees the first Server Hello (st= ep 3), it can race a competing Server Hello with the same CCID, SCID. If = the attacker wins the race, it will effectively "own" the context (CCID, = SCID).

I disagree with this observation (and the therefore the discussion tha= t follows).

A client does not need to distinguish each "flow of handshake transcri= pts" based on SCID. What it should do is distinguish each flow by ServerH= ello that's being contained (for Initial packets) or the handshake key (f= or Handshake packets) that decrypts successfully.

Therefore, there is no need for a "server token."

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Now that #2038 is being merged, we have the possibility to avoid creating unnecessary encoder / decoder streams.

Avoiding creation is beneficial for memory-constrained devices, because they can configure the QUIC transport stack to handle at most one unidirectional stream (in each direction) to support HTTP/3 if the QPACK state forbids 1) peer's creation of the encoder stream when endpoint's SETTINGS_HEADER_TABLE_SIZE: is zero, and 2) peer's creation of decoder stream is delayed until the endpoint's creation of the encoder stream.

With the proposed changes, a memory constrained HTTP/3 stack that sendsSETTINGS_HEADER_TABLE_SIZE of zero and never opens an encoder stream can be certain that the peer never opens an encoder stream or a decoder stream.

Note that it has minimal impact to existing implementations; regarding creation of the encoder stream, #2038 states that the stream cannot be used until SETTINGS is being received. It is a clarification (or a requirement) that "use" includes the creation of the stream. The situation is the same for the decoder stream.

Pull request filed as #2090.

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Minor process point: this is a design change that really ought to have an issue.

My apologies. I've filed #2100.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  Receipt of a second instance of either stream type MUST be treated as a
 connection error of HTTP_WRONG_STREAM_COUNT.  Closure of either unidirectional
 stream MUST be treated as a connection error of type
 HTTP_CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM.
 
+An endpoint MUST NOT create an encoder stream if the maximum size of the
+dynamic table permitted by the peer is zero.  Observation of a peer-initiated
+encoder stream when the value is zero MUST be treated as a connection error of

Thank you for the suggestions. Applied in 0ea3696.

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----==_mimepart_5c07ab5cf28fb_1eda3fd79a2d45b84008da-- From nobody Wed Dec 5 02:42:27 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 051D8130DDF for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 02:42:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R_XRQr7kpxal for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 02:42:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 22065130DF9 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 02:42:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2018 02:42:23 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544006543; bh=ZA2gHTF/9526nCF1iMb/+uoMf/5bhqU/wZo+iN7L9tI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=0Yv0GavJ/LdcYbjU1u+XqN/9DE7a0RDYCVd+QT0z+OL2v8Zh8sDR/aWq7iVoXthe9 yb7fb0Ju25na7FNix/gdwHnKBs2NOcHCiD9CnwexVbTrNYlk1JJxjrMryiowq4pHY6 U2F333Xs2FUpBcxCZyvNgum5Q3tNHy0RH8FfFxIc= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] No RTT for non-retransmittable packets (#2078) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c07ab8f70ad2_5b973fc3214d45bc4190cb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2018 10:42:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c07ab8f70ad2_5b973fc3214d45bc4190cb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ianswett commented on this pull request. > @@ -284,12 +284,12 @@ frame. For more information, see Section 13.2 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. ## Computing the RTT estimate RTT is calculated when an ACK frame arrives by computing the difference between -the current time and the time the largest newly acked packet was sent. If no -packets are newly acknowledged, RTT cannot be calculated. When RTT is -calculated, the ack delay field from the ACK frame SHOULD be subtracted from the -RTT as long as the result is larger than the Min RTT. If the result is smaller -than the min_rtt, the RTT should be used, but the ack delay field should be -ignored. +the current time and the time the largest acked packet was sent. If the largest +acked is not newly acknowledged or not retransmittable, RTT cannot be +calculated. When RTT is calculated, the ack delay field from the ACK frame Thanks, updated -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2078#discussion_r239013732 ----==_mimepart_5c07ab8f70ad2_5b973fc3214d45bc4190cb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -284,12 +284,12 @@ frame.  For more information, see Section 13.2 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
 ## Computing the RTT estimate
 
 RTT is calculated when an ACK frame arrives by computing the difference between
-the current time and the time the largest newly acked packet was sent.  If no
-packets are newly acknowledged, RTT cannot be calculated. When RTT is
-calculated, the ack delay field from the ACK frame SHOULD be subtracted from the
-RTT as long as the result is larger than the Min RTT.  If the result is smaller
-than the min_rtt, the RTT should be used, but the ack delay field should be
-ignored.
+the current time and the time the largest acked packet was sent.  If the largest
+acked is not newly acknowledged or not retransmittable, RTT cannot be
+calculated. When RTT is calculated, the ack delay field from the ACK frame

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I stand with @martinthomson on this. I feel like optimiz= ing the common usecase for constrained devices would significantly increa= se complexity of the implementation.
=0D Could we instead relax the constraint that qpack streams (being control s= treams) cannot be closed, and allow an endpoint that doesn=E2=80=99t want= to do qpack to not open its control streams and to immediately reset (wi= th a specific error code, yeah I know YAEC) the peer initiated qpack stre= ams?
=0D On the endpoint receiving the reset this would be a connection error if t= he received table size was not zero.

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@IngJohEricsson, gQUIC has an implementation of what= you're describing where K is 4 or 8 and N is 10 or 20, and it works very= well in production.

There are some drawbacks to this approach:

  1. Sender and receiver's view of RTT are different, and could be substan= tially so, so the sender can't rely on the receiver's max ack delay being= RTT/K for timeouts.
  2. gQUIC's version is fixed over the lifetime of the connection, but ack= s every 2 packets for the first 100 under the theory that you want to inc= rease the window quickly in slow start. But 100 is a fixed value and is = too short for some connections slow start and too long for others. And m= aybe it should increase to 4 or 8 later in slow start as well?

Given there's interest in this, but it's clearly an area that needs fu= rther experimentation, I believe @janaiyengar and I are go= ing to write up an extension draft to allow changing the N value during t= he connection via a new frame and leave MaxAckDelay fixed for now.

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----==_mimepart_5c07d022bdff1_17f3fc43d8d45b41615fd-- From nobody Wed Dec 5 05:50:19 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25060128766 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 05:50:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Nfh2_LcfBx0Q for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 05:50:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5A36D127B92 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 05:50:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=e/5kLEj3U/+dOzFXiQ8vR2Vphec=; b=JyROPwfpokQU0Fc+ zPXuksom72dY3rTl46p1FJYIzAsg+l+x3w+x2h8dHzn0jqGbRFjpwYzAVc7nuWI1 oCwW3uZokmvA0BjkIe2Zcs3xgqH62P23wE+oExc8fCmvQigSngCiOU2vzOiQ2tMm NFNK0PmTyUkmuUJQFRbKaRW62XQ= Received: by filter1015p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1015p1las1-16421-5C07D795-C 2018-12-05 13:50:13.328573247 +0000 UTC m=+133341.590294097 Received: from github-lowworker-3c598a3.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.43]) by ismtpd0036p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id mnXcEPIWRTqQGyJminnrsQ for ; Wed, 05 Dec 2018 13:50:13.232 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-3c598a3.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34642A8028E for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 05:50:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2018 13:50:13 +0000 (UTC) From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] create codec streams only when necessary (#2090) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c07d79531fa3_66843fe9b50d45c45841bb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak17N+2EUZ1e7AlfBq8NcMsIWvMo3ySFpR1FnF wWEyjMfY6J6My8fAsgLsc/baR9npm/nOUzIGulziEGncTwB45EklN/tEN5l5wzMIkymfDqI/7xGfJ5 7rckhALZhZafTw1WRsHTKAK85p1fUqABsl5iR/FgVQZsB2tikfQ7r9iVzQnVmujrffIUXfE0mfa6HY 4= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2018 13:50:18 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c07d79531fa3_66843fe9b50d45c45841bb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinthomson, @lnicco: from the current spec which states that QPACK can be used before _SETTINGS_ are received and the encoder and decoder streams are opened to @kazuho's proposal the distance is small: it is a single step. As for your code: everyone's code is different. The complexity increase in _my code_ would be small. This weakens your argument. This proposal is logical, it makes the spec clearer, and would help not only small devices, but also allow simpler HTTP/3 implementations to exist. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2090#issuecomment-444491329 ----==_mimepart_5c07d79531fa3_66843fe9b50d45c45841bb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@martinthomson, @lnicco: from the current spec which states t= hat QPACK can be used before SETTINGS are received and the encoder= and decoder streams are opened to @kazuho's proposal the distance is smal= l: it is a single step.

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This proposal is logical, it makes the spec clearer, and would help not = only small devices, but also allow simpler HTTP/3 implementations to exist.=

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If you limit this to DATA, which you should, then you can omit the type = field.

Pro: one byte saved
Con: more special casing
Con: precludes adding a future frame that could extend to EOS

We don't know what kinds of extensions will be added HTTP/3. It makes li= ttle sense to add arbitrary constraints.

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= @kazuho I=E2=80=99m a bit confused of how this works with 0.5 rtt and d= efault dynamic table size of 0. The server might open the qpack stream in 0= .5 rtt, and then the client may advertise a size of 0. What would happen to= this qpack stream. Or does this pr affect default table size as well

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There are certainly cases where this does not require a mis-reporting = receiver(ie: what I described above), but I think your argument is that y= ou don't care about them? If so, this does make it somewhat critical to = send a reasonable number of non-delayed ACKs to ensure min_rtt is discove= red relatively quickly.

I completely agree that I don't want to change the definition of min_r= tt, FWIW.

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Retiring all CIDs that have been issued makes the CID issuer unreachable. Should this be a connection error?

It is possible to imagine that the CID issuer may send a new CID to the peer after all its CIDs are retired and then the connection can continue.

Either way, this case should be covered in the draft.

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@kazuho: you are saying that the client does not need an extra ID because it can use trial decryption. That's true, but that's not a very desirable solution, because then attackers can DOS the client.

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@siyengar, under the current text the server might open the stream = in 0.5 RTT, but couldn't actually send anything beyond the type byte until = it receives SETTINGS because of the default size of zero. With this change= , it wouldn't open the stream until it receives SETTINGS, and then only if = the size were non-zero.

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I'm with @dtikhonov on this; it's not wholly implausible t= o have an extension frame where receipt of the frame is itself the messag= e and no payload is necessary. That said, it's also a con of making this= a general property of frames, since a frame with an empty payload which = is not the last frame of the stream becomes impossible.

But slight caveat to @dtikhonov's earlier comment: I wear = two "hats" on this document, and as editor, my job is to make the documen= t reflect my understanding of the consensus. My opinion as a contributor= shouldn't count any more than anyone else's because of that other hat. = (And my apologies if I cross wires -- please call that out if you think I= am.)

So by my count, we're about evenly split on whether this should be a g= eneral property of all frames or specific to DATA, with most of us in bot= h directions stating that it's a slight preference or that the other is a= cceptable. There's a technical advantage to each (simpler processing if = DATA-only, ability to use for no-body requests if HEADERS too).

That makes me inclined to leave it to the author of the PR, unless som= eone objects violently. @RyanAtGoogle, let me know when = you've incorporated any feedback you plan to. Anyone who plans to object= violently, speak now while I'm at a safe distance.

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----==_mimepart_5c082f7eee929_4d6c3fb93bed45c02350cb-- From nobody Wed Dec 5 12:07:58 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80B07130EDA for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 12:07:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QCFie11qq6fh for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 12:07:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 174A2130ED7 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 12:07:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=9yglkSv4/vOExl8bORPFI1cme8k=; b=JsvzrG7AS1Qq92v3 M3RHSwyFgbasSTTxs7OkYqa44SdCSA6ScwyoYKtkBq79AYCSFa9DvxvguijFwvd+ mz9Ym1q4h9avS1tFfCF8LOUbF5LCFt8IU9mRkZMTADBF1+3cqGsUIOStIZvtZNFE wegXIEtahQXqgH225E/y2m3GIU8= Received: by filter1000p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1000p1las1-30845-5C08301A-7 2018-12-05 20:07:54.258067889 +0000 UTC m=+157946.335066439 Received: from github-lowworker-baaab27.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.33]) by ismtpd0022p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id afaUMXOsTXu7m-PQEq4j8Q for ; Wed, 05 Dec 2018 20:07:54.116 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-baaab27.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22C10804EB for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 12:07:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2018 20:07:54 +0000 (UTC) From: Ryan Hamilton Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow the HTTP/3 DATA frame to extend to the end of the stream (#2098) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c08301a20268_51753faa03ad45c014416e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: RyanAtGoogle X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2rRKRK6Chld8FLVpCwRWgUMk1io+i6F+Ww/q cxzSFWq2fEteoYNpC8hg+I/xXv41SFJBczy7ocCdrNvHN6WdLK4CLSkabaCwc9qyneLHTW10wNg75h Gn8rkih2ce5lkgMtGx3ns6O5zrAlNIc4X1tXM+HZlxnJwYHKhrQud7Yi/uMA+ZvtSjPlwKuZVbbpSm M= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2018 20:07:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c08301a20268_51753faa03ad45c014416e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've updated the PR to remove the "DATA frames MUST contain a non-zero-length payload" restriction, but to keep the "length == 0" behavior isolated to the DATA frame. My sense is that was slightly more palatable to folks and this is the most pressing feature for me. Though I'd be happy to write up a second PR after this to address a general purpose use of this feature. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2098#issuecomment-444627619 ----==_mimepart_5c08301a20268_51753faa03ad45c014416e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Merged #2098 into master.

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I was on a plane while this got merged, but I had a question that I'll ask here.

I don't understand @kazuho point on HEADERS with length 0. Surely a HEADERS frame always has to carry a header block?

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Ah ok yes quite right, len=0 is special case and doesn't actually mean 0. Sorry for the noise

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@MikeBishop Thank you for the changes. The PR looks fine modulo the concerns stated below.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -552,10 +553,11 @@ the interpretation of the associated Element ID fields.
 Note that the root of the tree cannot be referenced using a Stream ID of 0, as
 in {{!RFC7540}}; QUIC stream 0 carries a valid HTTP request.  The root of the
 tree cannot be reprioritized. A PRIORITY frame sent on a request stream that
-prioritizes any other stream MUST be treated as a stream error of type
-HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME.  Likewise, a PRIORITY frame sent on a control stream that
-prioritizes the current stream MUST be treated as a connection error of type
-HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME.
+prioritizes any other stream or expresses a dependency on a request with a

I am not sure if we need "prioritizes any other stream or".

Now that exclusive flag is going away, is there any case that could hit this condition?

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
 Note that the root of the tree cannot be referenced using a Stream ID of 0, as
 in {{!RFC7540}}; QUIC stream 0 carries a valid HTTP request.  The root of the
-tree cannot be reprioritized. A PRIORITY frame that prioritizes the root of the
-tree MUST be treated as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME.
+tree cannot be reprioritized. A PRIORITY frame sent on a request stream that
+prioritizes any other stream or expresses a dependency on a request with a
+greater Stream ID than the current stream MUST be treated as a stream error of
+type HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME.  Likewise, a PRIORITY frame sent on a control stream
+that prioritizes the current stream MUST be treated as a connection error of
+type HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME.

I am not sure what the intent of the last sentence is.

My understanding is that a PRIORITY frame can only refer to a "Stream ID of a request stream" (assuming that the type bits are 00 (i.e. Request stream). Therefore, I think that we do not need this sentence.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -552,10 +553,11 @@ the interpretation of the associated Element ID fields.
 Note that the root of the tree cannot be referenced using a Stream ID of 0, as
 in {{!RFC7540}}; QUIC stream 0 carries a valid HTTP request.  The root of the
 tree cannot be reprioritized. A PRIORITY frame sent on a request stream that
-prioritizes any other stream MUST be treated as a stream error of type
-HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME.  Likewise, a PRIORITY frame sent on a control stream that
-prioritizes the current stream MUST be treated as a connection error of type
-HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME.
+prioritizes any other stream or expresses a dependency on a request with a

This is a perhaps-unclear reference to a PRIORITY frame where Prioritized Element Type is not 11 (i.e. the thing being prioritized is anything other than "this stream").

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----==_mimepart_5c0855d2f3ff1_61473fe34dcd45b8161147-- From nobody Wed Dec 5 14:49:36 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 368B0130E03 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 14:49:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XNYk19wCmZAs for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 14:49:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 56B9C130E14 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 14:49:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2018 14:49:32 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544050172; bh=vR3teYaNXVbu7QO4lu17ufCZni2Y6fgIJGHtzlf5ox0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=FgIR0VD4ioSHfFtM8VtBDrTPFGsbOAVJpexdAf7fHjWdj2OjFdWpJuOKApuncjk6a wMG+1iDMGKDGkFnsskGZ+dIN4lSR9zVY7qgN/R/pqLyqCNkrFgh07XbPLPfMpf1SPu Y1OYjube+st62OJm7MzTVJah3+5WoHSIYNohyghY= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Define initial PRIORITY frame and remove exclusive dependencies (#2075) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c0855fc44173_14183f9250cd45c018620"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2018 22:49:35 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c0855fc44173_14183f9250cd45c018620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MikeBishop commented on this pull request. > Note that the root of the tree cannot be referenced using a Stream ID of 0, as in {{!RFC7540}}; QUIC stream 0 carries a valid HTTP request. The root of the -tree cannot be reprioritized. A PRIORITY frame that prioritizes the root of the -tree MUST be treated as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME. +tree cannot be reprioritized. A PRIORITY frame sent on a request stream that +prioritizes any other stream or expresses a dependency on a request with a +greater Stream ID than the current stream MUST be treated as a stream error of +type HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME. Likewise, a PRIORITY frame sent on a control stream +that prioritizes the current stream MUST be treated as a connection error of +type HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME. This is the inverse of the above -- sending `11` on a control stream, indicating that the thing being prioritized is the control stream itself. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2075#discussion_r239268187 ----==_mimepart_5c0855fc44173_14183f9250cd45c018620 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
 Note that the root of the tree cannot be referenced using a Stream ID of 0, as
 in {{!RFC7540}}; QUIC stream 0 carries a valid HTTP request.  The root of the
-tree cannot be reprioritized. A PRIORITY frame that prioritizes the root of the
-tree MUST be treated as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME.
+tree cannot be reprioritized. A PRIORITY frame sent on a request stream that
+prioritizes any other stream or expresses a dependency on a request with a
+greater Stream ID than the current stream MUST be treated as a stream error of
+type HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME.  Likewise, a PRIORITY frame sent on a control stream
+that prioritizes the current stream MUST be treated as a connection error of
+type HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME.

This is the inverse of the above -- sending 11 on a control stream, indicating that the thing being prioritized is the control stream itself.

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@kazuho commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -552,10 +553,11 @@ the interpretation of the associated Element ID fields.
 Note that the root of the tree cannot be referenced using a Stream ID of 0, as
 in {{!RFC7540}}; QUIC stream 0 carries a valid HTTP request.  The root of the
 tree cannot be reprioritized. A PRIORITY frame sent on a request stream that
-prioritizes any other stream MUST be treated as a stream error of type
-HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME.  Likewise, a PRIORITY frame sent on a control stream that
-prioritizes the current stream MUST be treated as a connection error of type
-HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME.
+prioritizes any other stream or expresses a dependency on a request with a

Ah. Thank you for the clarification. I missed that.

My preference goes to stating that Prioritized Element Type MUST be 11 when the frame is sent on a request stream and that it MUST NOT be 11 when the frame is sent on a control stream.

This is because I prefer to avoid having multiple representation that means the same; under the current provision, it seems that PEID could be encoded in two ways for a PRIORITY frame sent on a request stream; either set Prioritized Element Type to 11 or set it to 00 and set Prioritized Element ID to the ID of the stream. I fear that we might see interoperability issues in the wild if most of the clients use the 11 form but some used the 00 form.

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----==_mimepart_5c087753e94ae_62373fb32ded45c0176714-- From nobody Wed Dec 5 17:12:00 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 230C412D4ED for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 17:11:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.747 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.747 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zOTJw3XpmeBV for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 17:11:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from m69-169.mailgun.net (m69-169.mailgun.net [166.78.69.169]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 389E61286E3 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 17:11:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1544058704; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=gyvi/5Wlx+ebBWULFtdK+2dvRzj1qc9/4E97TQuIhok=; b=sIV7ZVFe99+Q89aB+tZPaYUGdicb0YQU9tINf5lG6TK5mJg7jBQSpyVFvFZJ2GVSYqKsatVO eG++kDIsBZgOh1wXz+pLpQrupGVI4hLOdepbK/JsieiPcYxzXgu7cQayU2f8hCzt6I/AyVh7 W1QM3bGQeWxCT0IQcpmgtjTe5Y4= X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.69.169 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Sender: jri.ietf=gmail.com@github.com Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.44]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 5c087750.7fa1f62026c0-smtp-out-n01; Thu, 06 Dec 2018 01:11:44 -0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2018 17:11:43 -0800 From: janaiyengar Reply-To: janaiyengar To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5c08774fb5512_25b22b081ef865787038d@hookshot-fe-6e9b612.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 4f1a6a: No RTT for non-retransmittable packets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c08774fb4ed0_25b22b081ef86578702d1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 01:11:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c08774fb4ed0_25b22b081ef86578702d1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 4f1a6a94951835edc67cd1f9c350fa7d635ae4e7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4f1a6a94951835edc67cd1f9c350fa7d635ae4e7 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-30 (Fri, 30 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- No RTT for non-retransmittable packets Only take RTT samples when the largest acked is a retransmittable packet. Otherwise, the ack delay may be unlimited. Commit: 74a4a454a5bb18761b2e0ed67352f2c7dce22641 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/74a4a454a5bb18761b2e0ed67352f2c7dce22641 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-30 (Fri, 30 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: c3c6c45cbc77d99a0551124d7e16b63e91d8bc2b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c3c6c45cbc77d99a0551124d7e16b63e91d8bc2b Author: ianswett Date: 2018-12-05 (Wed, 05 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Jana's suggestion Commit: 09d19c6166af72632cfc413160c66a4e4278f59e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/09d19c6166af72632cfc413160c66a4e4278f59e Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-12-05 (Wed, 05 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2078 from quicwg/ianswett-no-rtt No RTT for non-retransmittable packets Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/410f67919d51...09d19c6166af **NOTE:** This service has been marked for deprecation: https://developer.github.com/changes/2018-04-25-github-services-deprecation/ Functionality will be removed from GitHub.com on January 31st, 2019. ----==_mimepart_5c08774fb4ed0_25b22b081ef86578702d1-- From nobody Wed Dec 5 17:53:59 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E6EE130DCB for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 17:53:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.747 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.747 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xxzkCg-maaGq for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 17:53:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from m69-170.mailgun.net (m69-170.mailgun.net [166.78.69.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E827128DFD for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 17:53:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1544061231; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=xrbeU713MdgpKLu6zRPqj7FGkSZTwICs8wqYJ7icaUo=; b=Ls6oyVPm5dPI9ZiChTRPemh5PhS19adL30WdMOAt+HnDTMANytR8EIiOL58zUucUpvZ36BrY FzUHrOugUO91RR+BcZUq4OqzOfZU9VUU3h9sz8MgWpXaFic8mQP4uYnD3UofSSw74rRL7gGM 6vGY07C2/6VWXRbvINBoZj8MbiQ= X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.69.170 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Sender: jri.ietf=gmail.com@github.com Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.34]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 5c08812e.7f3c0b5291b0-smtp-out-n02; Thu, 06 Dec 2018 01:53:50 -0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2018 17:53:49 -0800 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: Jana Iyengar To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5c08812d36b17_38c32af3eb95657812159@hookshot-fe-88eb02d.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 587f8a: Refactor DetectLostPackets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c08812d36724_38c32af3eb956578120c2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 01:53:57 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c08812d36724_38c32af3eb956578120c2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/refactor-loss_time Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 587f8a5b72824b73b0543a33841a6437ceb0b981 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/587f8a5b72824b73b0543a33841a6437ceb0b981 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-05 (Wed, 05 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Refactor DetectLostPackets This had a couple of problems that I think this addresses, and some that it doesn't. The first is that it isn't clear what is being iterated over and in what order. I think that the point here is to iterate over sent_packets, starting with the oldest. Correct me if that is wrong. In any case, this change doesn't assume an iteration order. The only reason the iteration order is important is in setting loss_time, which needs to be the earliest time (assuming that I'm right). This simplifies the function, by setting thresholds at the top and doing a simple comparison. I've added a note about loss_time potentially being in the past. The problem that remains is that this appeared to iterate only over packets that have a packet number less than the largest acknowledged. I've added that condition to the loop, but I don't think that it's right. I think that it's just redundant - and while an implementation might stop its iteration at the largest acknowledged to save cycles, this function will operate the same without the extra check. It's also not clear whether the greater than comparisons here were correct. If you assume that firing of the timer cannot take zero time, this is never an issue, but with discrete intervals on time values, that's not always going to happen. As setup, this code could be called at exactly loss_time for a packet, in which case that packet will not be declared lost. I think that this wants >= in the time comparison for that reason. Finally, should the early retransmit timer be configurable? Should it be set based on kTimeReorderingThreshold? Commit: 29f5fdf72186f71d0d34d487dac8b18a30584e13 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/29f5fdf72186f71d0d34d487dac8b18a30584e13 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-05 (Wed, 05 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Review changes Commit: db6929a33d31de152198f6560aad31a0ed53f359 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/db6929a33d31de152198f6560aad31a0ed53f359 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-05 (Wed, 05 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Use <= for cutoffs Commit: 02a164ee1e8e208e414896124c15c627f79dcea8 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/02a164ee1e8e208e414896124c15c627f79dcea8 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2018-12-05 (Wed, 05 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Fixes some broken bits Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/d183b1e14b70...02a164ee1e8e **NOTE:** This service has been marked for deprecation: https://developer.github.com/changes/2018-04-25-github-services-deprecation/ Functionality will be removed from GitHub.com on January 31st, 2019. ----==_mimepart_5c08812d36724_38c32af3eb956578120c2-- From nobody Wed Dec 5 17:56:48 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0ED0128DFD for ; 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----==_mimepart_5c0882dc8c7b7_435c3fd181ed45bc171981-- From nobody Wed Dec 5 19:29:13 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5437D130FA6 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 19:29:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0a5EU1hfip3o for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 19:29:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 66404130EB4 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 19:29:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2018 19:29:07 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544066947; bh=0J+1vPTLCNAEDxJxO131ca/Ks62OFK4EucaExBJ0Zz8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=i1f9uy+HR7WHchDYbsAjfSQLrVsvBjfNONT1qqHIlNavMkB0biB0mJl8nTwabhanB LtQgRYurFoJm/fzcEKLSFGHNuC6Ljb5/fwciqQ8Rkpa6i0GW4TmbiZ9vjGh25z8qIz 6DtctqG+WfSfRCVSUyeN7Q8eMimUZHpQPLyAw++0= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Initials carrying different first ClientHello are considered as belonging to different connections (#2076) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c08978354a36_5ac63feecaad45b42842b5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 03:29:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c08978354a36_5ac63feecaad45b42842b5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In the mailing discussion, I mentioned that "_I understand how to create a separate connection context on the server for each different incoming server hello... but I am concerned that this solution breaks if the client needs to send multiple different Initial messages, such as a new Client Hello in response to an HRR, or an ACK._" @kazuho replied that HRR would be very rare in practice and thus not a worry, and that "_Regarding ACKs, you need to potentially ignore or postpone applying them. The same goes for CONNECTION_CLOSE._" But this PR does not say any of that. If we want it considered, then it needs to explain how the processing of ACK and CONNECTION_CLOSE frames is modified for Initial packets. It also need to explain how HRR are handled. That cannot be just a handwave. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2076#issuecomment-444736092 ----==_mimepart_5c08978354a36_5ac63feecaad45b42842b5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In the mailing discussion, I mentioned that "I understand how to c= reate a separate connection context on the server for each different inco= ming server hello... but I am concerned that this solution breaks if the = client needs to send multiple different Initial messages, such as a new C= lient Hello in response to an HRR, or an ACK." @kazuho replie= d that HRR would be very rare in practice and thus not a worry, and that = "Regarding ACKs, you need to potentially ignore or postpone applying = them. The same goes for CONNECTION_CLOSE." But this PR does not say = any of that. If we want it considered, then it needs to explain how the p= rocessing of ACK and CONNECTION_CLOSE frames is modified for Initial pack= ets. It also need to explain how HRR are handled. That cannot be just a h= andwave.

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@huitema I agree that the specification should clarify how ACK and CONNECTION_CLOSE needs to be processed. Though to clarify, my assumption has been that the handling of packets containing invalid frames is being discussed in #2053.

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I don't think that it was appropriate to merge a change of this nature without list discussion.

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How about gaps in PN sequence (optimistic ACK defense)

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@ianswett approved this pull request.

This looks good, but I think you should move the where the timers in the past comment lives.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>    if (!lost_packets.empty()):
     OnPacketsLost(lost_packets)
 ~~~
 
+This algorithm results in loss_time being set based on the earliest packet that
+is still in flight.  Timers set based on a loss_time that has already passed

I think this comment about timers with timeouts that have already passed is more widely applicable, so maybe move it closer to SetLossDetectionTimer()?

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Fair enough -- I'll send a heads-up to the list, and if there's objection, we'll revert it.

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The recovery draft is oddly silent on when to send data that has actually been marked as lost. I'm not sure if this is constructive ambiguity or just an oversight.

Consider the following case with 1 stream, which is an entirely typical burst error scenario.

  1. Segments A through J are sent in packets 1-10. There is no other data.
  2. TLP timeout, send A in pkt 11.
  3. TLP timeout, send pkt 12. Do I send segment A or B -- A is inflight twice so B is more likely to be new to the receiver, though if A is truly lost we won't make progress.
  4. RTO timeout, send pkts 13 and 14. Similar to (3), do we send C & D, or A & B?
  5. Receive ack of 14. Packets 1-12 are declared lost. Whatever was in pkt 13 is therefore the only outstanding data, and only the contents of pkt 14 are deleted from the queue. Should I include the payload of pkt 13 in the outgoing queue, or wait for pkt 13 to be declared lost?

Put another way, in the recovery draft we often prioritize segments that have no copies in-flight. Does that extend to prioritizing segments that are in-flight once over those that are out there twice? Does declaring a packet lost mean we should simply retx its segments if unacked, or do we consider that there are still outstanding copies?

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If a packet contains just ACKs and PADDING, it is not retransmittable but must be declared lost to free up the congestion window space.

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Thanks for cleaning this up Jana. I wasn't sure if the timers comment was scoped specifically to this particular instance, so I didn't make it a more general statement. @ianswett, do you think that you could move that for me?

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -552,10 +553,11 @@ the interpretation of the associated Element ID fields.
 Note that the root of the tree cannot be referenced using a Stream ID of 0, as
 in {{!RFC7540}}; QUIC stream 0 carries a valid HTTP request.  The root of the
 tree cannot be reprioritized. A PRIORITY frame sent on a request stream that
-prioritizes any other stream MUST be treated as a stream error of type
-HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME.  Likewise, a PRIORITY frame sent on a control stream that
-prioritizes the current stream MUST be treated as a connection error of type
-HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME.
+prioritizes any other stream or expresses a dependency on a request with a

Good point. The requirement for the values was already there (in the definition of Prioritized Element Type), but I'll scope the required-error language to the specific values as well.

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

This pseudocode is also being updated in PR#2066, but you're correct that it should be in_flight, not retransmittable.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-* The packet is unacknowledged, retransmittable, and was sent prior to an
-  acknowledged packet.
+* The packet is in-flight, and was sent prior to an acknowledged packet.

Did you intend to drop "unacknowledged"?

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Thanks @martinthomson, I updated to what I believe is the right location. Feel free to update further.

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----==_mimepart_5c09a8ff53ab6_457a3feb8ced45c41926fa-- From nobody Thu Dec 6 15:12:28 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83AB1131201 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 15:12:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.359 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.359 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MYeMKILvPbUc for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 15:12:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from m69-169.mailgun.net (m69-169.mailgun.net [166.78.69.169]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DEA33131212 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 15:12:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1544137939; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=iBe2eZGhqr+gKh1RZ9vTC1qJJ0Lc4/5MFsFLfy9ebdw=; b=rtxLYtu8h1v1B8W0Fp2jyg0nkMo3a8w34y+4I00TRS3xLVL0l+CYQ8KRTk/0atEd0wxBaTMD 9ytmMlBsCKsQh9RA8CoUufMzdiDl0EdJ8IX8E5LfDas8w4TmpSZ02I4JxCdnZVG9Uf6xPON1 NdLhupp/GuE6G3HkA9hzLd5Aie0= X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.69.169 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Sender: mbishop=evequefou.be@github.com Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.35]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 5c09a6f7.7f5fef948d80-smtp-out-n02; Thu, 06 Dec 2018 22:47:19 -0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 14:47:18 -0800 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: Mike Bishop To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5c09a6f6a5259_235d2adb51f8e5888388e@hookshot-fe-d252ca1.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 1bc619: Define initial PRIORITY frame and remove exclusive... 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@mikkelfj: the loss recovery algorithm does not handle arbitrary gaps in sequence space. This can be handled with some complexity, which is probably worth writing a sentence or two about. Mind filing an issue?

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The first is that it isn't clear what is being iterated over and in what order. I think that the point here is to iterate over sent_packets, starting with the oldest. Correct me if that is wrong. In any case, this change doesn't assume an iteration order. The only reason the iteration order is important is in setting loss_time, which needs to be the earliest time (assuming that I'm right). This simplifies the function, by setting thresholds at the top and doing a simple comparison. I've added a note about loss_time potentially being in the past. The problem that remains is that this appeared to iterate only over packets that have a packet number less than the largest acknowledged. I've added that condition to the loop, but I don't think that it's right. I think that it's just redundant - and while an implementation might stop its iteration at the largest acknowledged to save cycles, this function will operate the same without the extra check. It's also not clear whether the greater than comparisons here were correct. If you assume that firing of the timer cannot take zero time, this is never an issue, but with discrete intervals on time values, that's not always going to happen. As setup, this code could be called at exactly loss_time for a packet, in which case that packet will not be declared lost. I think that this wants >= in the time comparison for that reason. Finally, should the early retransmit timer be configurable? Should it be set based on kTimeReorderingThreshold? Commit: 29f5fdf72186f71d0d34d487dac8b18a30584e13 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/29f5fdf72186f71d0d34d487dac8b18a30584e13 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-05 (Wed, 05 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Review changes Commit: db6929a33d31de152198f6560aad31a0ed53f359 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/db6929a33d31de152198f6560aad31a0ed53f359 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-05 (Wed, 05 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Use <= for cutoffs Commit: 02a164ee1e8e208e414896124c15c627f79dcea8 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/02a164ee1e8e208e414896124c15c627f79dcea8 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2018-12-05 (Wed, 05 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Fixes some broken bits Commit: 71e06d391739652c1ed965873f530bb496f8aecd https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/71e06d391739652c1ed965873f530bb496f8aecd Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2018-12-05 (Wed, 05 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- lint Commit: cdaef0e2036dc9da2c972a9ec0d2c795559c3206 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/cdaef0e2036dc9da2c972a9ec0d2c795559c3206 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2018-12-05 (Wed, 05 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- cleanup and consistent parens Commit: e50cf51845fdfb8357e974bdc2ad4134d3829663 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e50cf51845fdfb8357e974bdc2ad4134d3829663 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-12-06 (Thu, 06 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Move and update Martin's comments Commit: f29543ca5d015c8bf3f6ff0d905892bbf87562e2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f29543ca5d015c8bf3f6ff0d905892bbf87562e2 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-12-06 (Thu, 06 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2066 from quicwg/refactor-loss_time Refactor DetectLostPackets Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/1bc6191ec681...f29543ca5d01 **NOTE:** This service has been marked for deprecation: https://developer.github.com/changes/2018-04-25-github-services-deprecation/ Functionality will be removed from GitHub.com on January 31st, 2019. ----==_mimepart_5c09b6b1824a8_44ed2ad319c505786217f-- From nobody Thu Dec 6 15:54:39 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90878130F26 for ; 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Thanks for the discussion, folks. Unless people are really against it, we'll go with ack-eliciting.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closes #1595, #1942. 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Closes #1595, #1942.

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Commit Summary

  • Ack eliciting

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I still think we should ignore this RTT sample instead.

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----==_mimepart_5c09c3f6f15db_71383fa54cad45b8247245-- From nobody Thu Dec 6 16:55:09 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30256130E36 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 16:55:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JfwcrM-9unRW for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 16:55:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E204912E043 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 16:55:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 16:55:05 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544144105; bh=H7lfR40bYfSfvrzAfjz33KEHSTKo89ymG2vVHyRvPdw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=BYhvKigS5idrY6bzFjh+6ItIruDA7WB7lR/7gkvKcguvVjLA0Dfp4cCdllVxKrukI iNaz1UOX4LPiITj4WIa2V5a0X6egvThnwIanN2/QcD5wUy+pDoxooj4GE9wLfBc/q7 /SZnC8YB5QL6bhuucQVFyue9pAK5WenscaIVq4Ok= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Limit ack_delay by max_ack_delay (#2099) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c09c4e936225_34003fa28f6d45b8167886"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2018 00:55:08 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c09c4e936225_34003fa28f6d45b8167886 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit janaiyengar commented on this pull request. > @@ -267,6 +267,26 @@ all subsequent ACK frames containing them could be lost. In this case, the loss recovery algorithm may cause spurious retransmits, but the sender will continue making forward progress. +# Computing the RTT estimate + +RTT is calculated when an ACK frame arrives by computing the difference between +the current time and the time the largest acked packet was sent. If the +largest acked packet is not newly acknowledged, RTT cannot be calculated. + +When RTT is calculated, the ack delay field from the ACK frame SHOULD be limited +to the max_ack_delay specified by the peer. Limiting ack_delay to max_ack_delay +ensures a peer specifying an extremely small max_ack_delay doesn't cause more +spurious timeouts than a peer that correctly specifies max_ack_delay. It SHOULD +be subtracted from the RTT as long as the result is larger than the Min RTT. s/Min RTT/min_rtt > @@ -267,6 +267,26 @@ all subsequent ACK frames containing them could be lost. In this case, the loss recovery algorithm may cause spurious retransmits, but the sender will continue making forward progress. +# Computing the RTT estimate + +RTT is calculated when an ACK frame arrives by computing the difference between +the current time and the time the largest acked packet was sent. If the +largest acked packet is not newly acknowledged, RTT cannot be calculated. + +When RTT is calculated, the ack delay field from the ACK frame SHOULD be limited +to the max_ack_delay specified by the peer. Limiting ack_delay to max_ack_delay +ensures a peer specifying an extremely small max_ack_delay doesn't cause more +spurious timeouts than a peer that correctly specifies max_ack_delay. It SHOULD +be subtracted from the RTT as long as the result is larger than the Min RTT. +If the result is smaller than the min_rtt, the RTT should be used, but the +ack delay field should be ignored. I wouldn't add this in before we resolve #2060. > +RTT is calculated when an ACK frame arrives by computing the difference between +the current time and the time the largest acked packet was sent. If the +largest acked packet is not newly acknowledged, RTT cannot be calculated. + +When RTT is calculated, the ack delay field from the ACK frame SHOULD be limited +to the max_ack_delay specified by the peer. Limiting ack_delay to max_ack_delay +ensures a peer specifying an extremely small max_ack_delay doesn't cause more +spurious timeouts than a peer that correctly specifies max_ack_delay. It SHOULD +be subtracted from the RTT as long as the result is larger than the Min RTT. +If the result is smaller than the min_rtt, the RTT should be used, but the +ack delay field should be ignored. + +Like TCP, QUIC calculates both smoothed RTT and RTT variance similar to those +specified in {{?RFC6298}}. + +Min RTT is the minimum RTT measured over the connection, prior to adjusting by s/Min RTT/min_rtt -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2099#pullrequestreview-182515028 ----==_mimepart_5c09c4e936225_34003fa28f6d45b8167886 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -267,6 +267,26 @@ all subsequent ACK frames containing them could be lost. In this case, the
 loss recovery algorithm may cause spurious retransmits, but the sender will
 continue making forward progress.
 
+# Computing the RTT estimate
+
+RTT is calculated when an ACK frame arrives by computing the difference between
+the current time and the time the largest acked packet was sent.  If the
+largest acked packet is not newly acknowledged, RTT cannot be calculated.
+
+When RTT is calculated, the ack delay field from the ACK frame SHOULD be limited
+to the max_ack_delay specified by the peer.  Limiting ack_delay to max_ack_delay
+ensures a peer specifying an extremely small max_ack_delay doesn't cause more
+spurious timeouts than a peer that correctly specifies max_ack_delay. It SHOULD
+be subtracted from the RTT as long as the result is larger than the Min RTT.

s/Min RTT/min_rtt

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -267,6 +267,26 @@ all subsequent ACK frames containing them could be lost. In this case, the
 loss recovery algorithm may cause spurious retransmits, but the sender will
 continue making forward progress.
 
+# Computing the RTT estimate
+
+RTT is calculated when an ACK frame arrives by computing the difference between
+the current time and the time the largest acked packet was sent.  If the
+largest acked packet is not newly acknowledged, RTT cannot be calculated.
+
+When RTT is calculated, the ack delay field from the ACK frame SHOULD be limited
+to the max_ack_delay specified by the peer.  Limiting ack_delay to max_ack_delay
+ensures a peer specifying an extremely small max_ack_delay doesn't cause more
+spurious timeouts than a peer that correctly specifies max_ack_delay. It SHOULD
+be subtracted from the RTT as long as the result is larger than the Min RTT.
+If the result is smaller than the min_rtt, the RTT should be used, but the
+ack delay field should be ignored.

I wouldn't add this in before we resolve #2060.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +RTT is calculated when an ACK frame arrives by computing the difference between
+the current time and the time the largest acked packet was sent.  If the
+largest acked packet is not newly acknowledged, RTT cannot be calculated.
+
+When RTT is calculated, the ack delay field from the ACK frame SHOULD be limited
+to the max_ack_delay specified by the peer.  Limiting ack_delay to max_ack_delay
+ensures a peer specifying an extremely small max_ack_delay doesn't cause more
+spurious timeouts than a peer that correctly specifies max_ack_delay. It SHOULD
+be subtracted from the RTT as long as the result is larger than the Min RTT.
+If the result is smaller than the min_rtt, the RTT should be used, but the
+ack delay field should be ignored.
+
+Like TCP, QUIC calculates both smoothed RTT and RTT variance similar to those
+specified in {{?RFC6298}}.
+
+Min RTT is the minimum RTT measured over the connection, prior to adjusting by

s/Min RTT/min_rtt

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@ianswett : Sorry, I was referring to a mis-reporting rece= iver in the case that the min_rtt is known.

In the case you mention, yes, that is a potential condition where a se= nder might have poor performance too, but I imagine this is not something= we would expect to happen for very long, especially given all the handsh= ake packets should be acked immediately. Using a 1ms timer means for imm= ediate means that's just a part of the min_rtt... nothing a sender can do= about that.

Basically, I don't think optimistically compensating at the sender for= receiver delays is the way to go. If the RTT sample seems broken, I wou= ld argue it should be ignored.

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----==_mimepart_5c09cdff72948_18013ffb936d45c4207979-- From nobody Thu Dec 6 17:34:03 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 936ED12426E for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 17:34:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.459 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.459 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wcQ6mzI-JeV9 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 17:34:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-14.smtp.github.com (out-14.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D6EDC12D4E8 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 17:33:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 17:33:59 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544146439; bh=NxU5IgBDqfO4uR9BA7i7lGm1RnVzw8X8/3dB8plscz8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=eYAkdgl7oksqrWaHkwqs/+C66wjOd4vp70673cudZPLBdBrPK+2TcprwkD1ciktgh rhMITv0OXeJdOl/i6O1yA8c3uEfQP9Kj9JfET2qr2fqPS6RxFd4GKRtLWPvC9bly+s a0qx2x+KnmhyaDPszRx1SDsqDyv9gS/SDT7J1Mao= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Ack eliciting (#2105) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c09ce07859a_65633fce88ed45b8190646"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2018 01:34:02 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c09ce07859a_65633fce88ed45b8190646 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merged #2105 into master. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2105#event-2011381758 ----==_mimepart_5c09ce07859a_65633fce88ed45b8190646 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Said differently, the draft says when a sender can send, but = not what.

There are rules of thumb we used to have, but I would argue now that t= his doesn't require strong recommendations besides that the sender decide= based on local priorities. That said, I think it'd be good to have a par= agraph that discusses this point more explicitly and the tradeoffs, so I'= ll leave this issue open. It is not an oversight that we don't say w= hat should be transmitted, but there should be text clarifying it.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c09d49771cac_69093fec7f6d45c412285-- From nobody Thu Dec 6 18:09:28 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 625071286E3 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 18:09:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pCufqZnhnKa5 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 18:09:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7BFBE1200B3 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 18:09:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 18:09:23 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544148563; bh=GXtMgTvJWJ7+5e2zVAWw1TfKL8I78rLqqjhyeBAn4hE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=m6VlTyvrayMLdGApGdZT1apsh6D7nWcwjtN5EXTRvSmr426ytsgT/prpHesV0kcAX rvZgaonfwKjF2zcPziURD0ljsEC5PmpgPDutL2hm7ZunTeniac8VwZAHk9WbMSQaqf i6k4ZXSbBhIAZw98oe2f+KZNGiPwDW2pOGCAugaA= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make in_flight the criterion for declaring loss (#2104) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c09d65384874_53ac3fe8100d45c0830e6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2018 02:09:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c09d65384874_53ac3fe8100d45c0830e6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't think this is correct. We mark something as lost because we expec= ted to hear an ACK back but didn't. That's true of ack-eliciting (n=C3=A9= e retransmittable) but not of things that are considered in flight. PADD= ING is the reason -- it is considered in flight, but doesn't elicit an AC= K, so a sender that pads ACK-only packets should add a PING frame in ther= e to elicit an ack for this reason, so that the bytes in flight can be re= covered when the packet is lost.=0D =0D -- =0D You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.=0D Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub:=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2104#issuecomment-445098073= ----==_mimepart_5c09d65384874_53ac3fe8100d45c0830e6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I don't think this is correct. We mark something as lost because we ex= pected to hear an ACK back but didn't. That's true of ack-eliciting (n=C3= =A9e retransmittable) but not of things that are considered in flight. P= ADDING is the reason -- it is considered in flight, but doesn't elicit an= ACK, so a sender that pads ACK-only packets should add a PING frame in t= here to elicit an ack for this reason, so that the bytes in flight can be= recovered when the packet is lost.

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=0D =0D = ----==_mimepart_5c09d65384874_53ac3fe8100d45c0830e6-- From nobody Thu Dec 6 18:26:19 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2A9712D4ED for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 18:26:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IhE4tSc-I4Ci for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 18:26:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C55AD1200B3 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 18:26:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 18:26:15 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544149575; bh=m32qIaW75L2jRNb+QJX7W01uxHWWUXBO+EJZoBwikhQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=LH/d2Vx78pjs1aibvbX0qLBg/gatI5hOEfWb/mZpEoLHzxpHzrt7GU+kLb+dnZZmH AxiFQh99rpAZ/G66KglqYf9pEby9l+N+6NCUFOpnE6FW2pj1IuHUSxBPvbh7RFQM5j KG7Ha8JQWndtoaLEKSsgz8oatWcmyri6wb2Htfjk= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make in_flight the criterion for declaring loss (#2104) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c09da46f3e2c_38ae3f90deed45b416582d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2018 02:26:18 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c09da46f3e2c_38ae3f90deed45b416582d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think strictly speaking, neither option may be correct, unfortunately. Packets that are in_flight count towards bytes in flight, so need to be removed from flight eventually. And they may never get acknowledged. The transport and recovery drafts are either a bit unclear or in conflict about whether one should ACK a PADDING only packet that arrives out of order. The transport draft currently says "To avoid creating an indefinite feedback loop, an endpoint MUST NOT send an ACK frame in response to a packet containing only ACK or PADDING frames, even if there are packet gaps which precede the received packet." In recovery it says "Out-of-order packets SHOULD be acknowledged more quickly, in order to accelerate loss recovery. The receiver SHOULD send an immediate ACK when it receives a new packet which is not one greater than the largest received packet number." I think this is an excellent reason to move the text about "Generating Acknowlegements" into transport, because having it in two places increases the chances of inconsistencies. I tend to think that the best thing to do is take Martin's change, but also say that if an in-flight packet arrives out of order, an immediate acknowledgement should be sent, because it counts towards bytes in flight. Again, having a packet that counts towards bytes in flight, but doesn't generate an ACK, generates a bunch of edge cases I dislike, but I think we're stuck with it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2104#issuecomment-445100934 ----==_mimepart_5c09da46f3e2c_38ae3f90deed45b416582d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think strictly speaking, neither option may be correct, unfortunatel= y.

Packets that are in_flight count towards bytes in flight, so need to b= e removed from flight eventually. And they may never get acknowledged. = The transport and recovery drafts are either a bit unclear or in conflict= about whether one should ACK a PADDING only packet that arrives out of o= rder.

The transport draft currently says "To avoid creating an indefinite fe= edback loop, an endpoint MUST NOT send an ACK frame in response to a pack= et containing only ACK or PADDING frames, even if there are packet gaps w= hich precede the received packet."

In recovery it says "Out-of-order packets SHOULD be acknowledged more = quickly, in order to accelerate loss recovery. The receiver SHOULD send a= n immediate ACK when it receives a new packet which is not one greater th= an the largest received packet number."

I think this is an excellent reason to move the text about "Generating= Acknowlegements" into transport, because having it in two places increas= es the chances of inconsistencies.

I tend to think that the best thing to do is take Martin's change, but= also say that if an in-flight packet arrives out of order, an immediate = acknowledgement should be sent, because it counts towards bytes in flight= .

Again, having a packet that counts towards bytes in flight, but doesn'= t generate an ACK, generates a bunch of edge cases I dislike, but I think= we're stuck with it.

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In the "Loss Detection" section, we reference the transport draft:

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"If a packet is lost, the QUIC transport needs to recover from that lo= ss, such as by retransmitting the data, sending an updated frame, or aban= doning the frame. For more information, see Section 13.2 of {{QUIC-TRANSP= ORT}}."

We could certainly add some non-normative text about the consideration= s, particularly in regards to things like TLP, where sending the same pay= load in two consecutive TLPs seems a bit unwise, unless that's all that's= outstanding.

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I'm increasingly leaning towards abandoning this PR and landing #2099

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

Thanks Jana, suggestions accepted, though I'll note one comment addresses text that was only moved, not changed.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -267,6 +267,26 @@ all subsequent ACK frames containing them could be lost. In this case, the
 loss recovery algorithm may cause spurious retransmits, but the sender will
 continue making forward progress.
 
+# Computing the RTT estimate
+
+RTT is calculated when an ACK frame arrives by computing the difference between
+the current time and the time the largest acked packet was sent.  If the
+largest acked packet is not newly acknowledged, RTT cannot be calculated.
+
+When RTT is calculated, the ack delay field from the ACK frame SHOULD be limited
+to the max_ack_delay specified by the peer.  Limiting ack_delay to max_ack_delay
+ensures a peer specifying an extremely small max_ack_delay doesn't cause more
+spurious timeouts than a peer that correctly specifies max_ack_delay. It SHOULD
+be subtracted from the RTT as long as the result is larger than the Min RTT.
+If the result is smaller than the min_rtt, the RTT should be used, but the
+ack delay field should be ignored.

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Commit: 74a4a454a5bb18761b2e0ed67352f2c7dce22641 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/74a4a454a5bb18761b2e0ed67352f2c7dce22641 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-30 (Fri, 30 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: c3c6c45cbc77d99a0551124d7e16b63e91d8bc2b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c3c6c45cbc77d99a0551124d7e16b63e91d8bc2b Author: ianswett Date: 2018-12-05 (Wed, 05 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Jana's suggestion Commit: 410f67919d51822dd5f066dcb637c72386adf0b5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/410f67919d51822dd5f066dcb637c72386adf0b5 Author: Ryan Hamilton Date: 2018-12-05 (Wed, 05 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Allow the HTTP/3 DATA frame to extend to the end of the stream (#2098) * Allow the HTTP/3 DATA frame to extend to the end of the stream Allow the HTTP/3 DATA frame to extend to the end of the stream if the frame's payload length is 0. Fixes #1885 * Remove the "DATA frames MUST contain a non-zero-length payload" restriction. Commit: 09d19c6166af72632cfc413160c66a4e4278f59e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/09d19c6166af72632cfc413160c66a4e4278f59e Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-12-05 (Wed, 05 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2078 from quicwg/ianswett-no-rtt No RTT for non-retransmittable packets Commit: 587f8a5b72824b73b0543a33841a6437ceb0b981 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/587f8a5b72824b73b0543a33841a6437ceb0b981 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-05 (Wed, 05 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Refactor DetectLostPackets This had a couple of problems that I think this addresses, and some that it doesn't. The first is that it isn't clear what is being iterated over and in what order. I think that the point here is to iterate over sent_packets, starting with the oldest. Correct me if that is wrong. In any case, this change doesn't assume an iteration order. The only reason the iteration order is important is in setting loss_time, which needs to be the earliest time (assuming that I'm right). This simplifies the function, by setting thresholds at the top and doing a simple comparison. I've added a note about loss_time potentially being in the past. The problem that remains is that this appeared to iterate only over packets that have a packet number less than the largest acknowledged. I've added that condition to the loop, but I don't think that it's right. I think that it's just redundant - and while an implementation might stop its iteration at the largest acknowledged to save cycles, this function will operate the same without the extra check. It's also not clear whether the greater than comparisons here were correct. If you assume that firing of the timer cannot take zero time, this is never an issue, but with discrete intervals on time values, that's not always going to happen. As setup, this code could be called at exactly loss_time for a packet, in which case that packet will not be declared lost. I think that this wants >= in the time comparison for that reason. Finally, should the early retransmit timer be configurable? Should it be set based on kTimeReorderingThreshold? 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As commented on the PR, I'm increasingly thinking we should limit by m= ax_ack_delay and then if it still seems invalid, ignore ack_delay, as in = the current text, but not ignore the entire sample, since even without th= e ack_delay adjustment, we expect the RTT sample to be somewhat useful.

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I think this is an excellent reason to move the text about "Generating= Acknowlegements" into transport, because having it in two places increas= es the chances of inconsistencies.

Agreed. It's on my todo for next week.

That's about what to do with acking PADDING packets. The question I'm = raising is whether loss detection is tied to being in flight or to elicit= ing an ACK. I'm arguing that loss detection is premised on bytes counting= towards in-flight, but loss detection logic triggered by receiving an AC= K (which is why we use max_ack_delay in the computations). The bytes bei= ng in flight are a necessary condition, not sufficient.

Loss detection marks a packet as lost when no ACK is received for it. = This is predicated on an ACK being sent by the receiver, delayed or not, = if the packet is received, which is only true for ack-eliciting packets.<= /p>

PADDING of ACK-only frames is a weird special case that causes infligh= t to go up without being ack-eliciting. We had agreed in Montreal that if= someone did this they will need to either add a PING frame in there or h= andle special conditions.

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Limiting to max_ack_delay sounds fine to me as I've said earlier.

If the RTT sample is used without ack_delay (current spec text) instead of ignoring, this causes the SRTT to increase which is safe. I'm fine with it.

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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -267,6 +267,26 @@ all subsequent ACK frames containing them could be lost. In this case, the
 loss recovery algorithm may cause spurious retransmits, but the sender will
 continue making forward progress.
 
+# Computing the RTT estimate
+
+RTT is calculated when an ACK frame arrives by computing the difference between
+the current time and the time the largest acked packet was sent.  If the
+largest acked packet is not newly acknowledged, RTT cannot be calculated.
+
+When RTT is calculated, the ack delay field from the ACK frame SHOULD be limited
+to the max_ack_delay specified by the peer.  Limiting ack_delay to max_ack_delay
+ensures a peer specifying an extremely small max_ack_delay doesn't cause more
+spurious timeouts than a peer that correctly specifies max_ack_delay. It SHOULD
+be subtracted from the RTT as long as the result is larger than the Min RTT.
+If the result is smaller than the min_rtt, the RTT should be used, but the
+ack delay field should be ignored.

facepalm Of course.

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a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544153199; bh=KPB1kvLTZ9iRc32OD5OMLau/e+C8v+9SO//jiJhLYRY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=0mePQJ1tm3XXbJ1dTvlINFqafHeHWckGR5kPH+yajd0yrn/zpSS9F1IRSfYHPuKCZ XPPjugu6Ahv8fR+wNj02lJP0alw/GDzWiQG8SEBEzgLOPiUUMn8f8N/hcvJYiyk9Ee saAhzFOwsHEf0anOh34FcAj3UrgCe29PhlCmX1h8= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Adjusting latest RTT by ack delay (#2062) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c09e86f344c6_1d433fe7c10d45c4852bc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2018 03:26:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c09e86f344c6_1d433fe7c10d45c4852bc Content-Type: text/plain; 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Fair enough. I think the current spec text is still safe, so I'd be fine with it.

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Limiting to max_ack_delay sounds good to me, especially considering the fact that now we only sample ACK-eliciting packets.

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I don=E2=80=99t understand the idea of adding a PING to ACK/PAD only f= rames. If you do that you could get infinite feedback loops and you might= as well just ACK all frame promptly.

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How about a sender self-acknowledge packets that are not ack-eliciting= , for example packets older than largest acked or older than triggering T= LP? Once these packets are ack'ed or self-ack'ed, they are retired from t= he congestion window.

Or just keep the packets out of the congestion window if that is at al= l feasible. I'm not really keen on the above complexity if it can be avoi= ded.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c0a4bac3535b_3ba43f8c114d45b81289b-- From nobody Fri Dec 7 03:11:23 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DC52129533 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2018 03:11:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5fJOCb5czspf for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2018 03:11:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 635FD128CE4 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2018 03:11:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2018 03:11:17 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544181077; bh=nIS3XFWiTCX3JTWrAZm36w7qa8vGbuDuKHgWtV/A44s=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=bFLe4rvbaaC1VFQD9loCc3ZKHRZCwR35fMiaXy6VlByPineVYynX2y1aukw0/8pwt KiVbwKqF6Og13gzCNffM+nrT6QU1hyGJEHJBCTGeeixgBU/hpCBHIwQngztG3wPKPu Hid25RTQhnS13S+f3Se5MVPbLLCbjcQi7lr6/TAs= From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Should retiring all CIDs be an error? (#2101) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c0a5555dc46d_31ae3fc98bcd45bc21213f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2018 11:11:21 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c0a5555dc46d_31ae3fc98bcd45bc21213f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think this is the case. An endpoint retires CIDs that it uses as destination CIDs. So if a peer retires all CIDs, it's shooting itself in the foot because it won't be able to send any more packets (until it receives a packet containing a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame). Therefore, I don't think we need any error condition here. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2101#issuecomment-445200872 ----==_mimepart_5c0a5555dc46d_31ae3fc98bcd45bc21213f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I don't think this is the case. An endpoint retires CIDs that it uses = as destination CIDs. So if a peer retires all CIDs, it's shooting itself = in the foot because it won't be able to send any more packets (until it r= eceives a packet containing a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame). Therefore, I don'= t think we need any error condition here.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c0a5555dc46d_31ae3fc98bcd45bc21213f-- From nobody Fri Dec 7 05:16:13 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96FFC1277BB for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2018 05:16:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VonIQW2Zkzn3 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2018 05:16:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-12.smtp.github.com (out-12.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C1EFB12D4EA for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2018 05:16:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2018 05:16:09 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544188569; bh=ePmHvNWoZltohuwufazmF+XOmxYBiwc6ufgfyOwiI3g=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=N9S7Ry/tmLK/jSjKOPDTplPmsEaPLmrFehfSJ5jmhgsuKvQxZdBVZR2HucYWrvmlz NVrrTVB9anudOfh/XhSyaNiWFnzW2VXYNEtIO+LcQAnIICI0KRzrYhKJRSHUsX8r2v L4eStlYgzaZ6Ac825v8jhxMBcjI6CmQtP+NrTx00= From: IngJohEricsson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Sender-Controlled Delayed ACK Ratio (#1978) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c0a72991f1e0_4e93f9e6aed45c033849a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: IngJohEricsson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2018 13:16:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c0a72991f1e0_4e93f9e6aed45c033849a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the explanation and nice to hear that you have tried this N and K version. I overlooked the possibility of different estimated RTTs on the two sides of a connection. Looking in TCP traces one can see that for example Android clients seem to ACK every 2nd segment in the initial phase and later on they typically go down to every 8th segment it does however not seem to be too conclusive and it is difficult to to see in the ACKs are pruned on lower protocol layers, in some cases one can see very long stretch ACKs (up to 100 segments). /Ingemar -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1978#issuecomment-445229529 ----==_mimepart_5c0a72991f1e0_4e93f9e6aed45c033849a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks for the explanation and nice to hear that you have tried this N= and K version. I overlooked the possibility of different estimated RTTs = on the two sides of a connection.
Looking in TCP traces one can see that for example Android clients seem t= o ACK every 2nd segment in the initial phase and later on they typically = go down to every 8th segment it does however not seem to be too conclusiv= e and it is difficult to to see in the ACKs are pruned on lower protocol = layers, in some cases one can see very long stretch ACKs (up to 100 segme= nts).

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= ----==_mimepart_5c0a72991f1e0_4e93f9e6aed45c033849a-- From nobody Fri Dec 7 06:26:05 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75A7E12D4F0 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2018 06:26:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Pvd-ERSEZbL3 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2018 06:26:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B0187128CF2 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2018 06:26:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2018 06:26:01 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544192761; bh=EaXUjLh7mTORBS20OsRGxa0i/Wk6S4Mb5/aUaLW2C5s=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=atS+82vwqKkLhlbmIhSfsk0Wq0KtDwRS0zl7DsCnnu8ptP4gDyA8rS39aW088S8U3 ha4zXiCVPWliyKoq/hcGs/8WiY/pCUUnz83c67uxm6uoTioT9NzXIatwdu5D9J2QbV EVeMh1pD4ULZdUTmhwxxT0IkmvybqjpBRjMfjMck= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make in_flight the criterion for declaring loss (#2104) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c0a82f99bbf1_30333fe03ead45b882655"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2018 14:26:04 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c0a82f99bbf1_30333fe03ead45b882655 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You're right Jana, we've agreed that padding without a ping/etc is a pointy stick. But I think the idea was that as long as you sent an ack-eliciting frame(ping or otherwise) at least once per RTT, you'd get an ACK, and then you could do loss detection on the in flight packets. If we leave the text as is, if a padding only packet is never ACKed, there is no mechanism for removing it from in flight, because that occurs only in OnPacketAckedCC and OnPacketsLost. If we don't make any changes, it's really unsafe to send padding-only packets, and we're forcing implementers to figure out something to do here. I'd rather recommend something that does not cause a deadlock, even if it may declare a few padding only packets as lost in cases when they were actually reordered. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2104#issuecomment-445248125 ----==_mimepart_5c0a82f99bbf1_30333fe03ead45b882655 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

You're right Jana, we've agreed that padding without a ping/etc is a p= ointy stick. But I think the idea was that as long as you sent an ack-el= iciting frame(ping or otherwise) at least once per RTT, you'd get an ACK,= and then you could do loss detection on the in flight packets.

If we leave the text as is, if a padding only packet is never ACKed, t= here is no mechanism for removing it from in flight, because that occurs = only in OnPacketAckedCC and OnPacketsLost.

If we don't make any changes, it's really unsafe to send padding-only = packets, and we're forcing implementers to figure out something to do her= e. I'd rather recommend something that does not cause a deadlock, even i= f it may declare a few padding only packets as lost in cases when they we= re actually reordered.

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SGTM, closing the PR and this issue then. We can always revisit it if we have some new data that indicates the current text is a problem.

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----==_mimepart_5c0a83f6da798_78253fc860ed45b422241a-- From nobody Fri Dec 7 06:58:54 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A06112D4F0 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2018 06:58:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vkXVHKapxxW3 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2018 06:58:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E5D5D1252B7 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2018 06:58:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2018 06:58:49 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544194729; bh=eMpUFq2DxWhmMO8TFL7eaIG6J0IRPzKB70qGrSUMrRU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Qde946F7spAH2leSSx34gkkIi7qGPostetEdHyYjomXhj6BBJi96SaCnQAacKD45O T+jXRkCs3ixkDE735YlePuCgy4I8Kynti+N9/qF7EbYlekw9U37zrNSVRA2sjZaMWh Vh5c/Ea3GfPLxTYkqDQ3rNbKQn7eYP84jbNo4dTQ= From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Amplification attack using retry tokens and spoofed addresses (#2064) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c0a8aa9b85d1_69133f8ef82d45bc1370a1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2018 14:58:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c0a8aa9b85d1_69133f8ef82d45bc1370a1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @huitema @janaiyengar As I described in https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2064#issuecomment-443087560, I don't a short token life time works as a protection here. I expect servers to issue tokens (in NEW_TOKEN frames) that have the same life time as TLS session tickets, which, if I remember correctly, is a 7 days. The property we're really looking for here is not that a token is only used once. To prevent the DoS attacks, it would be sufficient if the server only accepts a token once **within a short time span**, let's say in the order of magnitude of 10 seconds. If an attacker manages to obtain a copy of a token that was originally sent in a NEW_TOKEN frame, all he can do is make the server send the ServerHello and the certificate to the client every 10 seconds, which might be an annoyance, but not sufficient for a DoS attack. I believe this is should be straightforward to implement: A server could either keep a short-lived set of tokens that were recently used, or maybe even a bloom filter which is cleared in regular intervals. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2064#issuecomment-445257931 ----==_mimepart_5c0a8aa9b85d1_69133f8ef82d45bc1370a1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@huitema @janaiyengar As I described in #2064 (comment), I don't a short token life time works as = a protection here. I expect servers to issue tokens (in NEW_TOKEN frames)= that have the same life time as TLS session tickets, which, if I remembe= r correctly, is a 7 days.

The property we're really looking for here is not that a token is only= used once. To prevent the DoS attacks, it would be sufficient if the ser= ver only accepts a token once within a short time span, = let's say in the order of magnitude of 10 seconds.
If an attacker manages to obtain a copy of a token that was originally se= nt in a NEW_TOKEN frame, all he can do is make the server send the Server= Hello and the certificate to the client every 10 seconds, which might be = an annoyance, but not sufficient for a DoS attack.

I believe this is should be straightforward to implement: A server cou= ld either keep a short-lived set of tokens that were recently used, or ma= ybe even a bloom filter which is cleared in regular intervals.

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I feel like this is somewhat related to my issue (#2015) related to cal= ling OnPacketsLost for all lost packets, not just retransmitta= ble/ack-eliciting ones. If you know the packet was lost, then process it as= such. Now, what you do it response to it being lost is where you would the= n put the in_flight check for removing the bytes_inflight` and whatever other logic.

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Hi Martin, I resolved the conflicts with the recently merged Ack-eliciti= ng change for you. Feel free to make further modifications.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c0ab8b2e3fe1_44913fd6172d45c4199942-- From nobody Fri Dec 7 10:58:20 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63743130FB7 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2018 10:58:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aZ0KfWxABXvK for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2018 10:58:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 346EA130FAE for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2018 10:58:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2018 10:58:14 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544209094; bh=38SA4JedG69siYcPjbK9BYimjZ3nJZMxsEvrsdTJHxM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=HNl9M1k3P6F8f8K2liPBd69/TZ0XtBw15u+0W72az/7hOmAnicO4N9Vk4Dyr4BViA 5sn+plFDiDRn/EuushwJBwwCNR/235RZdarPWefWA6mzUbD7Okr04lcArWrMwdTsQ3 IPxddtaz2E09euo3X5kseFebDmav8jIP21G72bWc= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Amplification attack using retry tokens and spoofed addresses (#2064) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c0ac2c692d8f_77373fcef44d45c438676a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2018 18:58:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c0ac2c692d8f_77373fcef44d45c438676a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @marten-seemann if I recall correctly, there was an intense discussion about 0-RTT and session ticket reuse in the TLS working group. Some forms of 0-RTT replay attacks can be prevented if session tickets are used at most once, or at least if session tickets enable 0-RTT data at most once per use. That discussion showed that at-most-once was very hard to handle in a big server farm, as it would require centralized management of state across many servers. See section 8 of RFC8446, "0-RTT and Anti-Replay" for the resulting compromise. I understand that ensuring at-most-once with tokens might seem equally hard, although there is a possible solution in QUIC that is not available in TLS. The basic QUIC server farm architecture assumes that load balancers route packets to specific servers based on the destination CID. It should be possible to have that CID be a function of the content of the retry token. That could be as simple as allocating the destination CID before formatting the NEW TOKEN, and having that reserved CID part of the encrypted content of the token. The load balancer could then routed based on the CID decrypted from the token, and the individual server could select the destination CID based on the token. That would definitely limit token reuse. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2064#issuecomment-445331050 ----==_mimepart_5c0ac2c692d8f_77373fcef44d45c438676a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@marten-seemann if I recall correctly, there was an i= ntense discussion about 0-RTT and session ticket reuse in the TLS working= group. Some forms of 0-RTT replay attacks can be prevented if session ti= ckets are used at most once, or at least if session tickets enable 0-RTT = data at most once per use. That discussion showed that at-most-once was v= ery hard to handle in a big server farm, as it would require centralized = management of state across many servers. See section 8 of RFC8446, "0-RTT= and Anti-Replay" for the resulting compromise.

I understand that ensuring at-most-once with tokens might seem equally= hard, although there is a possible solution in QUIC that is not availabl= e in TLS. The basic QUIC server farm architecture assumes that load balan= cers route packets to specific servers based on the destination CID. It s= hould be possible to have that CID be a function of the content of the re= try token. That could be as simple as allocating the destination CID befo= re formatting the NEW TOKEN, and having that reserved CID part of the enc= rypted content of the token. The load balancer could then routed based on= the CID decrypted from the token, and the individual server could select= the destination CID based on the token. That would definitely limit toke= n reuse.

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@huitema if I understand correctly, that requires the load b= alancer to have the decryption keys for the 0RTT tokens the server distri= butes? That is certainly possible in some cases, but I think that will b= e too complex for many.

Alternately, giving out a CID with the 0RTT Token could make this a fa= irly easy problem to solve.

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Sorry, this PR is only for Retry tokens, nevermind my previous comment.

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@igorlord This hasn't been updated in a while and I think PR #2036 may have covered some of the items you were working on. Can you either update this PR or close it as being now obsolete?

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Now that #1974 is landed, is there anything from this PR that still should be changed?

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The current transport draft says:

A STOP_SENDING frame requests that the receiving endpoint send a RESET_STREAM frame. An endpoint that receives a STOP_SENDING frame MUST send a RESET_STREAM frame for that stream. An endpoint SHOULD copy the error code from the STOP_SENDING frame, but MAY use
any other application error code. The endpoint that sends a STOP_SENDING frame can ignore the
error code carried in any RESET_STREAM frame it receives.

For HTTP, the HTTP_REQUEST_CANCELLED application error code has different semantics in each direction. From C -> S, it means "I don't want this". From S -> C, it means "I didn't process this". I don't think the client can't distinguish whether the RESET_STREAM was sent before or after the STOP_SENDING was received.

Maybe it's ok to do nothing here, since the client isn't likely to attempt to retry the request it just abandoned, and the text says the sender can ignore the RESET_STREAM error code. Or maybe we should clarify it in some way.

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Probably means we need to not overload CANCELLED with those server semantics. The server should have a separate error code (that clients SHOULD NOT use) indicating that the request was not processed.

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Some forms of 0-RTT replay attacks can be prevented if session tickets are used at most once, or at least if session tickets enable 0-RTT data at most once per use. That discussion showed that at-most-once was very hard to handle in a big server farm, as it would require centralized management of state across many servers. See section 8 of RFC8446, "0-RTT and Anti-Replay" for the resulting compromise. I think we're talking about different security properties here. QUIC tokens are designed to **only** prove reachability at a specific IP address, and don't contain any sensitive information beyond that. Token reuse is therefore only a problem **if** it can be used by an attacker to flood the client with more unwanted traffic than either the client or the network can handle at any given time. @kazuho >> I don't a short token life time works as a protection here. I expect servers to issue tokens (in NEW_TOKEN frames) that have the same life time as TLS session tickets, which, if I remember correctly, is a 7 days. > > I am not sure if that's correct. IIUC, the reason we split information that are maintained across connections to TLS session tickets and tokens was because they have different properties, including lifetime. If I remember correctly, the reason we split those was to enable token validation without parsing of the packet contents and handing it off to the TLS stack. That being said, I think you're right that tokens might have a different life time than session tickets. Since most (?) ISPs reassign a new IP address to the customers every 24 hours (at least that's how they typically do it in Germany), a token would become worthless after this time. I'd therefore expect a NEW_TOKEN token to be valid for around that duration. But even if this was not the case, and the token validity was just on the order of a minute, we'd have a problem here. An attacker who captures such a token can make the server send traffic with a high amplification factor to the client for the lifetime of that token. This might even be a problem for Retry tokens, which will only be valid for a few seconds: If the attacker can cause a high load on the path to the client, it might succeed in creating enough congestion that the packets belonging to the actual handshake are dropped. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2064#issuecomment-445423431 ----==_mimepart_5c0b2e868dfda_7cb93f8d946d45b4629c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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if I recall correctly, there was an intense discussion about 0-RTT and= session ticket reuse in the TLS working group. Some forms of 0-RTT repla= y attacks can be prevented if session tickets are used at most once, or a= t least if session tickets enable 0-RTT data at most once per use. That d= iscussion showed that at-most-once was very hard to handle in a big serve= r farm, as it would require centralized management of state across many s= ervers. See section 8 of RFC8446, "0-RTT and Anti-Replay" for the resulti= ng compromise.

I think we're talking about different security properties here. QUIC t= okens are designed to only prove reachability at a speci= fic IP address, and don't contain any sensitive information beyond that. = Token reuse is therefore only a problem if it can be use= d by an attacker to flood the client with more unwanted traffic than eith= er the client or the network can handle at any given time.

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I don't a short token life time works as a protection here. I expect s= ervers to issue tokens (in NEW_TOKEN frames) that have the same life time= as TLS session tickets, which, if I remember correctly, is a 7 days.

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I am not sure if that's correct. IIUC, the reason we split information= that are maintained across connections to TLS session tickets and tokens= was because they have different properties, including lifetime.

If I remember correctly, the reason we split those was to enable token= validation without parsing of the packet contents and handing it off to = the TLS stack. That being said, I think you're right that tokens might ha= ve a different life time than session tickets.
Since most (?) ISPs reassign a new IP address to the customers every 24 h= ours (at least that's how they typically do it in Germany), a token would= become worthless after this time. I'd therefore expect a NEW_TOKEN token= to be valid for around that duration.

But even if this was not the case, and the token validity was just on = the order of a minute, we'd have a problem here. An attacker who captures= such a token can make the server send traffic with a high amplification = factor to the client for the lifetime of that token.
This might even be a problem for Retry tokens, which will only be valid f= or a few seconds: If the attacker can cause a high load on the path to th= e client, it might succeed in creating enough congestion that the packets= belonging to the actual handshake are dropped.

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I thought we agreed that #1974 obsoletes this PR.

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Closed #1226.

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If there was an error, what CID would the node use to send the connection close message?

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----==_mimepart_5c0de4822b162_57c03ff1180d45b428109a-- From nobody Sun Dec 9 20:31:31 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03D59130E95 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2018 20:31:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.459 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.459 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kSUVSF1aPbsN for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2018 20:31:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 188C0130E94 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2018 20:31:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 20:31:23 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544416283; bh=sZj/DYAFZD3Y2lUIrspeuV+ze8ZLEDOvMvwKDW09XCM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ePfc6S9j5cIAJ6z/zAeWptoPkJw7IVORGAeDxKtZoG8GRERqtxppNl2+MAT5vqBta vaegdhpzsq/+yNP3Tr2HGhz4ez80MQ/TIX/DBe+29p3QHYutzMpcjeXdn9Wr3x6qlu Tpe4tGILgC0L9NEsySu33OhKgkeHNJ8xEz9QlQ/M= From: Igor Lubashev Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Endpoints MAY (not SHOULD) ignore IPv4 ICMP PTB messages (#2109) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c0dec1bde271_53753f8f3ccd45b416765b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: igorlord X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 04:31:29 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c0dec1bde271_53753f8f3ccd45b416765b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The majority of IPv4 ICMP messages still include only 8 bytes past the original IP header. We should not recommend implementations to ignore them. Even though these ICMP messages could be spoofed, we already require ignoring ICMP messages that try to reduce PMTU to a value smaller than 1280. So the damage from spoofed ICMP messages is minimal, while ignoring them may cause problems from slow PMTU discovery to broken connections. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2109 -- Commit Summary -- * Endpoints MAY (not SHOULD) ignore IPv4 ICMP PTB messages -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (6) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2109.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2109.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2109 ----==_mimepart_5c0dec1bde271_53753f8f3ccd45b416765b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The majority of IPv4 ICMP messages still include only 8 bytes past the original IP header. We should not recommend implementations to ignore them. Even though these ICMP messages could be spoofed, we already require ignoring ICMP messages that try to reduce PMTU to a value smaller than 1280. So the damage from spoofed ICMP messages is minimal, while ignoring them may cause problems from slow PMTU discovery to broken connections.

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  • Endpoints MAY (not SHOULD) ignore IPv4 ICMP PTB messages

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It also included AEAD tag.

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The current wording is fine. The sentence is not meant to be exclusive; rather, it is to clarify which headers are included into the packet size calculation and which aren't.

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----==_mimepart_5c0e911560b3c_f303fe371ad45b41998bf-- From nobody Mon Dec 10 09:08:09 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFD371310AE for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 09:08:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PzQdRINohVGw for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 09:08:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EF51E1310A6 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 09:08:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 09:08:04 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544461684; bh=uZyhgocBPaqZqFercwAEUbIlFbRU8L79+vmDnR/N++Q=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=c7VuqtmRjFmzFsqdHh9OmS7ZCCHFlpd4TtlzKnkXALRTnpiHTz9NpajKZLyw+2FrK TNmRfZkC9JabjQk5X5nStX+sf8jiPL2GLaVeLCEsD8l63jw/pXmyCi3+fwTpJaohz5 IkW0QNfZsRt8qgcic2wp5ix5UaC7azP9CyFeShwU= From: Igor Lubashev Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] packet size is header + payload (#2107) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c0e9d74c4087_52ce3fc0750d45c418349f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: igorlord X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:08:08 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c0e9d74c4087_52ce3fc0750d45c418349f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @dtikhonov > The QUIC packet size includes the QUIC header and integrity check, but not [...] The current wording is not making sense to me. Words _"integrity check"_ do not appear anywhere else anywhere else in any of the QUIC drafts. The _"integrity check"_ is not a concept that is taking up bytes to be accounted for in _"QUIC packet size"_. Sections 17.2 (_Long Header Packet_) and 17.3 (_Short Header Packet_) of the Transport draft define QUIC packets to contain the Header and Payload parts. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2107#issuecomment-445893083 ----==_mimepart_5c0e9d74c4087_52ce3fc0750d45c418349f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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The QUIC packet size includes the QUIC header and integrity check, but= not [...]

The current wording is not making sense to me. Words "integrity c= heck" do not appear anywhere else anywhere else in any of the QUIC d= rafts. The "integrity check" is not a concept that is taking up= bytes to be accounted for in "QUIC packet size".

Sections 17.2 (Long Header Packet) and 17.3 (Short Header= Packet) of the Transport draft define QUIC packets to contain the H= eader and Payload parts.

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You're right about "integrity check." What's probably meant is the AEAD tag.

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What Mike said. A new code for the server (like DID_NOT_PROCESS) is probably best. We don't want the transport at the server making false statements.

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You can send CONNECTION_CLOSE, even if you can't accept an ACK, becaus= e it's the not peer that has no connection IDs that sends that packet. O= r you can send more NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames.

The only potentially interesting case is that you can't send a packet = with a long header, but that's not a problem in this protocol version.

I'm somewhat biased toward silence on this issue. We encourage the re= placement of connection IDs, which works here. And if an endpoint just m= ade it impossible to keep sending packets, that's a problem that solves i= tself really.

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I think that the "SHOULD" is still appropriate here. We have text that defines validation in a way that doesn't exclusively depend on having more than 8 bytes to rely on.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3116,8 +3116,8 @@ PMTU discovery {{!RFC1191}} {{!RFC8201}} relies on reception of ICMP messages
 (e.g., IPv6 Packet Too Big messages) that indicate when a packet is dropped
 because it is larger than the local router MTU. DPLPMTUD can also optionally use
 these messages.  This use of ICMP messages is potentially vulnerable to off-path
-attacks that successfully guess the IP address 3-tuple and reduce the PMTU to a
-bandwidth-inefficient value.
+attacks that successfully guess the connection's 4-tuple and reduce the PMTU to

Do you think that "addresses" implies UDP port numbers as well as IP addresses?

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The SHOULD is better there though - it allows for the case where validation is impossible, but encourages implementations not to follow that path. Maybe that's wishful thinking, but that's always part of this.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3116,8 +3116,8 @@ PMTU discovery {{!RFC1191}} {{!RFC8201}} relies on reception of ICMP messages
 (e.g., IPv6 Packet Too Big messages) that indicate when a packet is dropped
 because it is larger than the local router MTU. DPLPMTUD can also optionally use
 these messages.  This use of ICMP messages is potentially vulnerable to off-path
-attacks that successfully guess the IP address 3-tuple and reduce the PMTU to a
-bandwidth-inefficient value.
+attacks that successfully guess the connection's 4-tuple and reduce the PMTU to

We've used it elsewhere in that way, so yes.

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----==_mimepart_5c0f2c0c1b813_26463f8cbbcd45c493026-- From nobody Mon Dec 10 19:37:39 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00276126CC7 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 19:37:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FOfXzQFwStUq for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 19:37:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 21AFF126C01 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 19:37:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 19:37:36 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544499456; bh=8xYcEp58k/NcDLJzUXCJiHL/LCpvzux/mFtMoYRWfaQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Lo0y9deOwEjN04q+TmAxETGWJvKz8NgJPGPbyymS0hw+mEN8fyk4nKsu7v4xn/wYe myV9kdC471Ey5WrKPzpTlcD6IUtusy+HRvggomq755FcKxofYOwDHEgTnz0tXToTaL Q2uBMLAQKkZNLIp3PyuMqgl9mOe1nioszPWJaJpg= From: Igor Lubashev Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Endpoints MAY (not SHOULD) ignore IPv4 ICMP PTB messages (#2109) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c0f3100455af_51253fb91a8d45c41075a2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: igorlord X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 03:37:39 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c0f3100455af_51253fb91a8d45c41075a2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wholeheartedly share the desire to encourage more robust implementations. Ironically, this is exactly why I am concerned about this SHOULD. I see this SHOULD not as _"encourag[ing] implementations not to follow that path"_ but providing a dangerous recommendation (with no disclaimer) to implementations who already found themselves on that path for whatever reason. We see _many_ broken PMTU discovery implementations on the Internet, because PMTUD is hard, and many implementers are not well-informed and/or under time pressure. I am worried that an implementer will implement no 8-byte-compatible validations, read this SHOULD, drop the packet, and not think too hard about it, because he is "just following the RFC recommendation". I see that we are both approaching this with the same goal but are coming to different conclusions. Maybe it is worthwhile to take it to the list for more visibility? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2109#issuecomment-446060951 ----==_mimepart_5c0f3100455af_51253fb91a8d45c41075a2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I wholeheartedly share the desire to encourage more robust implementat= ions. Ironically, this is exactly why I am concerned about this SHOULD.<= /p>

I see this SHOULD not as "encourag[ing] implementations not to fol= low that path" but providing a dangerous recommendation (with no dis= claimer) to implementations who already found themselves on that path for= whatever reason.

We see many broken PMTU discovery implementations on the Inte= rnet, because PMTUD is hard, and many implementers are not well-informed = and/or under time pressure. I am worried that an implementer will impleme= nt no 8-byte-compatible validations, read this SHOULD, drop the packet, a= nd not think too hard about it, because he is "just following the RFC rec= ommendation".

I see that we are both approaching this with the same goal but are com= ing to different conclusions. Maybe it is worthwhile to take it to the li= st for more visibility?

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If this is just about the 8 byte thing, then maybe the right thing to do is carve that out separately to the other validation points. But yeah, list.

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@igorlord, can you open an issue for this? It's a design-level change in that it causes implementations to change behaviour, so we'll want to track that.

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Using the insert count is much more natural, even if it means the encoding is a little strange and a tiny bit inefficient (it goes 0, 2, 3, ..., Max-1, 1, 2, ...). I've gone through and put the references on the boundary between records, which makes explanations much easier for post-base indexing in my view. I've renamed Base Index (which was never really an index) to Base, which matches that change. Similarly, renaming Largest Known Received to Known Received Count makes it match better. There are also examples added to Insert Count and Base sections. 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For instance, with one entry in the table that is used, the current system insists on us signaling a Largest Reference of 1. But most people would treat that entry as being at an index of 0. The thing that we're sending is the number of inserts. Describing the field in those terms clarifies things considerably. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2110 ----==_mimepart_5c0f61ea69a1c_66553ffd1f2d45b81072fb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Counting by reference implies something about the indexing system that is unnecessary.

For instance, with one entry in the table that is used, the current system insists on us signaling a Largest Reference of 1. But most people would treat that entry as being at an index of 0.

The thing that we're sending is the number of inserts. Describing the field in those terms clarifies things considerably.

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The construction of largest reference currently implies the use of
1-based indexing, which is unnatural. Using the insert count is much
more natural, even if it means the encoding is a little strange and a
tiny bit inefficient (it goes 0, 2, 3, ..., Max-1, 1, 2, ...).

I've gone through and put the references on the boundary between
records, which makes explanations much easier for post-base indexing in
my view. I've renamed Base Index (which was never really an index) to
Base, which matches that change. Similarly, renaming Largest Known
Received to Known Received Count makes it match better.

There are also examples added to Insert Count and Base sections. These
definitions are pretty damned opaque without them.

Closes #2110.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2111

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  • Use "Insert Count" rather than "Largest Reference"

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Feed the algorithm a LargestReference of 1, TotalNumberOfInserts of 2, and MaxEntries of 10.

   if LargestReference > 0:
      LargestReference -= 1  # == 0
      CurrentWrapped = TotalNumberOfInserts mod (2 * MaxEntries) # == 2

      if CurrentWrapped >= LargestReference + MaxEntries:  # == False
         # Largest Reference wrapped around 1 extra time
         LargestReference += 2 * MaxEntries
      else if CurrentWrapped + MaxEntries < LargestReference:   # == False
         # Decoder wrapped around 1 extra time
         CurrentWrapped += 2 * MaxEntries

      LargestReference += TotalNumberOfInserts - CurrentWrapped # == no change

LargestReference is therefore 0, and invalid.

Do the same for LargestReference of 18 and you get something even better: -2.

I think that the underflow check in #1904 fixes this.

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The first bullet of validation is intended to check so that the ECT code point (0 or 1) are not changed to the other. However, when an ACK includes new CE marks the comparison must deduct those CE marks to not wrongly report a mismatch. Also fixed a sentence indicating that is unclear about what is dropped. ECN field value of not-ect could rarely result in that the IP packet to be dropped. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2113 -- Commit Summary -- * Addressing issue that CE marks was not handled in per ECT type check. * Fixing one unclear sentence. -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (6) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2113.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2113.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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An issue with validation was identified. The first bullet of validation is intended to check so that the ECT code point (0 or 1) are not changed to the other. However, when an ACK includes new CE marks the comparison must deduct those CE marks to not wrongly report a mismatch.

Also fixed a sentence indicating that is unclear about what is dropped. ECN field value of not-ect could rarely result in that the IP packet to be dropped.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2113

Commit Summary

  • Addressing issue that CE marks was not handled in per ECT type check.
  • Fixing one unclear sentence.

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----==_mimepart_5c0fcf7ceddd2_713b3ff7e78d45b81103cf-- From nobody Tue Dec 11 07:43:31 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B769130DEA for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 07:43:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eb1OIBX_dGj0 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 07:43:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 755B8130DE9 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 07:43:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=w8B/mLiI7cIcBdcEUFPB5jlj3Xg=; b=ZZ7Kz8auKRz8xBn7 GfCxu0s0vO3ZnTthV/hoqXuD/XeL/XGhlwDtKzXliOYFOpMMuVavt/i6Y+RnMouG BXL7UxFQWSQPLZL+olLmizpff+ozTxa0vsjrPhEEeuLcRiiumauoFT1aZmTW7Brb xoA37x1evmCWQDh6Si58w1ld6vo= Received: by filter1387p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1387p1mdw1-18309-5C0FDB1E-C 2018-12-11 15:43:26.297453257 +0000 UTC m=+61877.027150876 Received: from github-lowworker-1f7e42f.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.46]) by ismtpd0016p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id hGmW29IOSNm4OwIqU6RHNQ for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 15:43:26.309 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-1f7e42f.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38320C003A for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 07:43:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 15:43:26 +0000 (UTC) From: mirjak Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Fix to ECN section regarding validation (#2113) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c0fdb1e36512_621f3fc05acd45c4975c5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mirjak X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0O+zz8YrHmv884Og705Bu+luZiXvEldAsPTb FzEpoiR0zaa00w/4s5WR7+kny+++NKNKg0qdFAJ9bs6UeHX/7H9V3JT2FjHr7+PjKgerWS/5zxFNom 063Je/cylI0hxgYC5nOv1Rpx/hLEIqW4ribSHzgFHeDolrY13OGF2D3Png== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 15:43:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c0fdb1e36512_621f3fc05acd45c4975c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think it could actually be good to at one short sentence to each bulletpoint to explain what the test is checking for; e.g. as you said on slack "This is to ensure that packets sent as ECT(0) are not arriving as ECT(1)." -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2113#issuecomment-446248746 ----==_mimepart_5c0fdb1e36512_621f3fc05acd45c4975c5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think it could actually be good to at one short sentence to each bulletpoint to explain what the test is checking for; e.g. as you said on slack "This is to ensure that packets sent as ECT(0) are not arriving as ECT(1)."

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Yes, I think that is reasonable to clarify the intention here. I will add that.

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Unfortunately, this PR cuts through text is many places, so I'm summarizing the key changes here. The compiled version of the draft, [here](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/pto/draft-ietf-quic-recovery.html), might be easier to read than the diffs. - TLP and RTO are combined into a single "Probe Timeout" (PTO). Consecutive PTOs are exponentially longer, just like RTO used to be. The rationale for calling this a "Probe" Timeout is that loss detection in QUIC only happens when an ack is received, and this timer and timeout only cause probe packets to be sent out to elicit acks. - Min TLP, RTO, crypto timeout values are now removed. We had a minTLP of 10ms (which was used as a min for the crypto timeout as well) and a minRTO of 200ms. The number of 10ms was a bit arbitrary, and based on a long-expired TCP TLP individual draft. We discussed the minRTO in #1017, and there was general agreement that adding a max_ack_delay should allow us to remove the minRTO. max_ack_delay is now present and included in the PTO computation. - Clock granularity is added for both crypto and PTO timeouts, ensuring that even when the computed network RTT might be too small and represented as 0, timeouts are set for at least 1 clock tick. This is in keeping with use of granularity in TCP (RFC 6298). A min granularity of 1ms is recommended. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2114 -- Commit Summary -- * sync * first cut of mechanism * complete text * pseudocode changes -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (251) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2114.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2114.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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This PR simplifies QUIC's timeout-based loss detection mechanisms. Unfortunately, this PR cuts through text is many places, so I'm summarizing the key changes here. The compiled version of the draft, here, might be easier to read than the diffs.

  • TLP and RTO are combined into a single "Probe Timeout" (PTO). Consecutive PTOs are exponentially longer, just like RTO used to be. The rationale for calling this a "Probe" Timeout is that loss detection in QUIC only happens when an ack is received, and this timer and timeout only cause probe packets to be sent out to elicit acks.

  • Min TLP, RTO, crypto timeout values are now removed. We had a minTLP of 10ms (which was used as a min for the crypto timeout as well) and a minRTO of 200ms. The number of 10ms was a bit arbitrary, and based on a long-expired TCP TLP individual draft. We discussed the minRTO in #1017, and there was general agreement that adding a max_ack_delay should allow us to remove the minRTO. max_ack_delay is now present and included in the PTO computation.

  • Clock granularity is added for both crypto and PTO timeouts, ensuring that even when the computed network RTT might be too small and represented as 0, timeouts are set for at least 1 clock tick. This is in keeping with use of granularity in TCP (RFC 6298). A min granularity of 1ms is recommended.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2114

Commit Summary

  • sync
  • first cut of mechanism
  • complete text
  • pseudocode changes

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -726,10 +700,9 @@ Pseudocode for OnAckReceived and UpdateRtt follow:
       // RTO was spurious. Otherwise, inform congestion control.
       if (rto_count > 0 &&
             smallest_newly_acked > largest_sent_before_rto):

largest_sent_before_rto is still used here

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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-   OnRetransmissionTimeoutVerified(packet_number)
+   OnProbeTimeoutVerified(packet_number)

This looks like we will set the probetimeout verified even if this happens

1, 2, 3 [lost], 4 [probe], 5 [probe]
-> [ack 4]
-> cwnd = mincwnd

in the first probe case it seems like the probe would be aggressive so it would be bad to drop the cwnd down.

even if it not aggressive right now, in the future I think we are going to tune timeouts constant per application (realtime vs interactive). This means that if we tune timeout constants too aggressively, it will result in having this reaction.

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----==_mimepart_5c1027f8e1373_5ac63fbfecad45bc222627-- From nobody Tue Dec 11 13:32:35 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24A541286E7 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 13:32:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YoB112fSKMCl for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 13:32:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CE96B127AC2 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 13:32:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 13:32:32 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544563952; bh=vFR2Wa4JVX7V1WjnDwWPBSyS9z9P0F1LYFe6QB8SSoU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=DVqcPwoHuV/skDvaoGe8U691UW3TM6JRmTX0/u2zGgiVLm5w39d+9xYPQSkAjeWKj 2nfde1xwUXfNn9SPGO+p9RPL1xP77I5sSWeKQx1fDPSeZnomyCUHstGU5TWh5OwFhK zgOlVtPLzYr5WTo8+43k3ru9SVNk9sOOOuozEClY= From: afrind Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Largest Reference algorithm can produce invalid values (#2112) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c102cf0db19_63a13fd53bad45bc80029"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: afrind X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 21:32:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c102cf0db19_63a13fd53bad45bc80029 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To get LR=1 on the wire, the original LR had to be 0 (which should have been encoded as 0), or it must be 0 mod 2*MaxEntries. If TotalNumberOfInserts is 2, then the real LR can only be as large as 12, not 20. Similarly, LR=18 is outside the valid range when TotalNumberOfInserts is 2. I think I noticed this once before, but can't remember in which forum I made the comment - perhaps it was on slack. What does #1904 come up with for these invalid inputs? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2112#issuecomment-446369945 ----==_mimepart_5c102cf0db19_63a13fd53bad45bc80029 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

To get LR=3D1 on the wire, the original LR had to be 0 (which should h= ave been encoded as 0), or it must be 0 mod 2*MaxEntries. If TotalNumber= OfInserts is 2, then the real LR can only be as large as 12, not 20. Sim= ilarly, LR=3D18 is outside the valid range when TotalNumberOfInserts is 2= .

I think I noticed this once before, but can't remember in which forum = I made the comment - perhaps it was on slack.

What does #1904 come up with for these invalid inputs?

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= ----==_mimepart_5c102cf0db19_63a13fd53bad45bc80029-- From nobody Tue Dec 11 13:35:55 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 313E7130F24 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 13:35:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xHB99dgBhF-l for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 13:35:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 67607127AC2 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 13:35:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 13:35:51 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544564151; bh=ME+IDRK/ZirgmM7Jmlc2pBid50ta8RV4dKfAHb4aJbw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=kzBiiMX3TZ/N5cdWeT9gH+/vf69HELhYCQPIzThuFBB0fwb7QgSyrM1axfmvVLROE xBMcMi8ELUA4vARekdLmrj9c/LOvVZYM9rqU235Ir/JRMczfov4j+q6+quz7Cjph6r WuBIlTCKGHO5GQPWVKxYOA70+zQWhubnKsn6FSrE= From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Simplify TLP and RTO into Probe Timeout (#2114) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c102db796977_698d3fa4db8d45b8192930"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 21:35:54 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c102db796977_698d3fa4db8d45b8192930 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nibanks commented on this pull request. In general, I like the simplification here. It would be interesting to see the results of an A/B test before and after these changes. > @@ -361,8 +361,7 @@ increases loss detection delay. Timeout loss detection recovers from losses that cannot be handled by ack-based loss detection. It uses a single timer which switches between -a crypto retransmission timer, a Tail Loss Probe timer and Retransmission -Timeout mechanisms. +a crypto retransmission timer and a Probe timer. You don't capitalize `Probe` in other places. It looks out of place here. > @@ -726,10 +700,9 @@ Pseudocode for OnAckReceived and UpdateRtt follow: // RTO was spurious. Otherwise, inform congestion control. if (rto_count > 0 && smallest_newly_acked > largest_sent_before_rto): As well as `rto_count` > @@ -812,17 +785,11 @@ Pseudocode for SetLossDetectionTimer follows: loss_detection_timer.set(loss_time) return - // RTO or TLP timer - // Calculate RTO duration + // PTO timer. Calculate PTO duration Nit: I feel like having either `PTO timer` or `Calculate PTO duration` would be cleaner. Having both seems a bit overdone. > -## Retransmission Timeout +A PTO expiration is classified as spurious or valid when an ACK frame is +received that newly acknowledges packets in flight, see {{pto-loss}}. On a +valid PTO, the congestion window MUST be reduced to the minimum congestion +window and slow start is re-entered. Just to confirm my understanding, this is a difference from TLP before, right? Before this change, if TLP triggered and you sent a probe packet that elicited an ACK for just that packet, you wouldn't go back into slow start, but now an ACK for only the first probe packet would trigger slow start. Correct? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2114#pullrequestreview-183909793 ----==_mimepart_5c102db796977_698d3fa4db8d45b8192930 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@nibanks commented on this pull request.

In general, I like the simplification here. It would be interesting to see the results of an A/B test before and after these changes.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -361,8 +361,7 @@ increases loss detection delay.
 
 Timeout loss detection recovers from losses that cannot be handled by
 ack-based loss detection.  It uses a single timer which switches between
-a crypto retransmission timer, a Tail Loss Probe timer and Retransmission
-Timeout mechanisms.
+a crypto retransmission timer and a Probe timer.

You don't capitalize Probe in other places. It looks out of place here.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -726,10 +700,9 @@ Pseudocode for OnAckReceived and UpdateRtt follow:
       // RTO was spurious. Otherwise, inform congestion control.
       if (rto_count > 0 &&
             smallest_newly_acked > largest_sent_before_rto):

As well as rto_count

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -812,17 +785,11 @@ Pseudocode for SetLossDetectionTimer follows:
       loss_detection_timer.set(loss_time)
       return
 
-    // RTO or TLP timer
-    // Calculate RTO duration
+    // PTO timer. Calculate PTO duration

Nit: I feel like having either PTO timer or Calculate PTO duration would be cleaner. Having both seems a bit overdone.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-## Retransmission Timeout
+A PTO expiration is classified as spurious or valid when an ACK frame is
+received that newly acknowledges packets in flight, see {{pto-loss}}.  On a
+valid PTO, the congestion window MUST be reduced to the minimum congestion
+window and slow start is re-entered.

Just to confirm my understanding, this is a difference from TLP before, right? Before this change, if TLP triggered and you sent a probe packet that elicited an ACK for just that packet, you wouldn't go back into slow start, but now an ACK for only the first probe packet would trigger slow start. Correct?

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#1904 turns 0 into 2*MaxEntries (the only valid value that encoding could produce). Basically it doesn't allow underflow at all.

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I don't love this algorithm so I can just take the other one. But I think this shows a bigger problem, which is that not all wire values are valid inputs and the algorithm should provide a mechanism for determining when they are invalid.

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----==_mimepart_5c102f3f9a5f5_7cf63ff6760d45c43450a0-- From nobody Tue Dec 11 13:50:00 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA90A1286E7 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 13:49:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HdSzChLSorDc for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 13:49:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 56A5B127AC2 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 13:49:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 13:49:56 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544564996; bh=3DK7TRqA7vSEpOX6p/A/W9YsLjetKcsrYCHACndlxLM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=r249NI2w5qdXub32jRw/Ye5MnQZHKWpPZl3X1/PY7xbPEQRay0me0OsbrC0ixPS8C AdnCHak8hOooYau2sqPCO5NdFq6bX1SKh/BAPjZY2UqkH7VXNVoyWWcsKv+rhS5mVl d45FwtlYSn0J2VMK/DWkNxLpaOm0ipwp/o3+ds4Q= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Largest Reference algorithm can produce invalid values (#2112) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c1031047e786_64043fdaac2d45bc200393"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 21:49:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c1031047e786_64043fdaac2d45bc200393 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Or we could just allow all values to be valid, just with a different interpretation. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2112#issuecomment-446375437 ----==_mimepart_5c1031047e786_64043fdaac2d45bc200393 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Or we could just allow all values to be valid, just with a different interpretation.

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What interpretation do you suggest for LR=20, TNOI=2?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -328,8 +328,8 @@ The RECOMMENDED initial value for the packet reordering threshold
 (kPacketThreshold) is 3, based on TCP loss detection {{?RFC5681}} {{?RFC6675}}.
 
 Some networks may exhibit higher degrees of reordering, causing a sender to
-detect spurious losses.  Implementers MAY use algorithms developed for TCP, such
-as TCP-NCR {{?RFC4653}}, to improve QUIC's reordering resilience.
+detect spurious losses.  Implementers MAY increase the packet threshold under
+such conditions.

This change seems unrelated to the rest of the change.

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Allowing values outside of the [0, MaxEntries * 2] range would break the assumption that the LargestReference can be used as an index into a ring buffer, which was part of the deal.

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Sorry, I meant logical 20, pre-encoding. I'll update the question to be more clear.

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I like this change in general, but I think it makes sense to keep existing behavior more similar to the status quo and allow a sender to do a normal loss-style reduction if the first or second PTO are the ones acknowledged. > @@ -342,7 +342,7 @@ lost, then a timer SHOULD be set for the remaining time. The RECOMMENDED time threshold (kTimeThreshold), expressed as a round-trip time multiplier, is 9/8. -Using max(SRTT, latest_RTT) protects from the two following cases: +Using max(smoothed_rtt, latest_rtt) protects from the two following cases: You still use max(SRTT, latest_RTT) on 338. > -A packet sent at the tail is particularly vulnerable to slow loss detection, -since acks of subsequent packets are needed to trigger ack-based detection. To -ameliorate this weakness of tail packets, the sender schedules a timer when the -last ack-eliciting packet before quiescence is transmitted. Upon timeout, -a Tail Loss Probe (TLP) packet is sent to evoke an acknowledgement from the -receiver. +A Probe Timeout (PTO) triggers a probe packet when ack-eliciting data is in +flight but an acknowledgement does not seem forthcoming. A PTO enables a "does not seem forthcoming" is non-specific. ```suggestion flight but an acknowledgement is not received within the expected time. A PTO enables a ``` > -* PTO SHOULD be scheduled for max(1.5*SRTT+MaxAckDelay, kMinTLPTimeout) +When the final ack-eliciting packet before quiescence is transmitted, the sender Final is an optimization and we don't define quiescence ```suggestion When an ack-eliciting packet is sent, the sender ``` > @@ -577,21 +560,18 @@ kTimeThreshold: considers a packet lost. Specified as an RTT multiplier. The RECOMMENDED value is 9/8. -kMinTLPTimeout: -: Minimum time in the future a tail loss probe timer may be set for. - The RECOMMENDED value is 10ms. +kGranularity: It feels odd to define this here, but use it three times up above. I'd suggest discussing the idea that you're using clock granularity above where you first use it. > -A PTO value of at least 1.5*SRTT ensures that the ACK is overdue. The 1.5 is -based on {{?TLP}}, but implementations MAY experiment with other constants. +The PTO period is the amount of time that a sender ought to wait for an ```suggestion The PTO period is the amount of time that a sender SHOULD wait for an ``` > -A PTO value of at least 1.5*SRTT ensures that the ACK is overdue. The 1.5 is -based on {{?TLP}}, but implementations MAY experiment with other constants. +The PTO period is the amount of time that a sender ought to wait for an +acknowledgement for a sent packet to be received. This time period includes the ```suggestion acknowledgement of a sent packet. This time period includes the ``` > -A PTO value of at least 1.5*SRTT ensures that the ACK is overdue. The 1.5 is -based on {{?TLP}}, but implementations MAY experiment with other constants. +The PTO period is the amount of time that a sender ought to wait for an +acknowledgement for a sent packet to be received. This time period includes the +estimated network roundtrip-time (smoothed_rtt), the variance in the estimate Using variance here is potentially confusing, since it's not true variance and it's 4*rttvar. I'm having a hard time coming up with suggestions, but I'll think about it. > -To reduce latency, it is RECOMMENDED that the sender set and allow the TLP timer -to fire twice before setting an RTO timer. In other words, when the TLP timer -expires the first time, a TLP packet is sent, and it is RECOMMENDED that the TLP -timer be scheduled for a second time. When the TLP timer expires the second -time, a second TLP packet is sent, and an RTO timer SHOULD be scheduled {{rto}}. +There is no requirement on the clock granularity. If the PTO computation results +in a value of zero, a sender MUST set the PTO value to kGranularity, to avoid How about "The PTO must be set to at least kGranularity," > -A TLP packet SHOULD carry new data when possible. If new data is unavailable or -new data cannot be sent due to flow control, a TLP packet MAY retransmit -unacknowledged data to potentially reduce recovery time. Since a TLP timer is -used to send a probe into the network prior to establishing any packet loss, -prior unacknowledged packets SHOULD NOT be marked as lost when a TLP timer -expires. +A PTO timer is set on an ack-eliciting tail packet. A sender may not know that Drop this first sentence and move the second sentence up with "When the final ack-eliciting packet" > -Similar to TCP {{?RFC6298}}, the RTO period is set based on the following -conditions: +When a PTO timer expires, the sender MUST send one ack-eliciting packet as a +probe. A sender MAY send up to two ack-eliciting packets, to avoid an expensive +consecutive PTO expiration due to packet loss. ```suggestion consecutive PTO expiration due to a single packet loss. ``` > -* When an RTO timer expires, the RTO period is doubled. +Probe packets sent on a PTO MUST be ack-eliciting. A probe packet SHOULD carry +new data when possible. Implementers MAY use alternate strategies for +determining the content of probe packets. An implementation could use new data >From "An implementation could" on, this paragraph seems quite speculative, and the first sentence is redundant to the above setence "A probe packet SHOULD carry new data when possible." > -A packet sent on an RTO timer MUST NOT be blocked by the sender's congestion -controller. A sender MUST however count these packets as being in flight, since -this packet adds network load without establishing packet loss. +If an ACK frame is received that newly acknowledges only those packets that were +sent after a PTO timer expiration, all unacknowledged packets with lower packet +numbers MUST be marked as lost. This will happen naturally due to loss detection I believe. > -Acknowledgement or loss of tail loss probes are treated like any other packet. +Probe packets MUST NOT be blocked by the congestion controller. A sender MUST +however count these packets as being additionally in flight, since these packets +adds network load without establishing packet loss. Note that sending probe +packets might cause the sender's estimated bytes in flight to exceed the ```suggestion packets might cause the sender's bytes in flight to exceed the ``` > -Acknowledgement or loss of tail loss probes are treated like any other packet. +Probe packets MUST NOT be blocked by the congestion controller. A sender MUST +however count these packets as being additionally in flight, since these packets +adds network load without establishing packet loss. Note that sending probe +packets might cause the sender's estimated bytes in flight to exceed the +sender's congestion window until an acknowledgement is received that establishes ```suggestion congestion window until an acknowledgement is received that establishes ``` > -Acknowledgement or loss of tail loss probes are treated like any other packet. +Probe packets MUST NOT be blocked by the congestion controller. A sender MUST +however count these packets as being additionally in flight, since these packets +adds network load without establishing packet loss. Note that sending probe +packets might cause the sender's estimated bytes in flight to exceed the +sender's congestion window until an acknowledgement is received that establishes Also, I think this would read better as "until packets are acknowledged or lost." > -## Retransmission Timeout +A PTO expiration is classified as spurious or valid when an ACK frame is +received that newly acknowledges packets in flight, see {{pto-loss}}. On a +valid PTO, the congestion window MUST be reduced to the minimum congestion +window and slow start is re-entered. Agreed, this is a potentially substantial change. > ~~~ - OnRetransmissionTimeoutVerified(packet_number) + OnProbeTimeoutVerified(packet_number) I'd suggest we keep a "you can not do the CWND reduction on the first or 2nd PTO" to keep behavior more similar to what QUIC has now. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

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I like this change in general, but I think it makes sense to keep exis= ting behavior more similar to the status quo and allow a sender to do a n= ormal loss-style reduction if the first or second PTO are the ones acknow= ledged.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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You still use max(SRTT, latest_RTT) on 338.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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-A packet sent at the tail is particularly vulnerable to slow loss detect=
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+A Probe Timeout (PTO) triggers a probe packet when ack-eliciting data is=
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"does not seem forthcoming" is non-specific.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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-* PTO SHOULD be scheduled for max(1.5*SRTT+MaxAckDelay, kMinTLPTimeout)=0D=

+When the final ack-eliciting packet before quiescence is transmitted, th=
e sender=0D
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Final is an optimization and we don't define quiescence

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-When the final ack-eliciting packet before qu=
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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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+kGranularity:=0D
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It feels odd to define this here, but use it three times up above. I'= d suggest discussing the idea that you're using clock granularity above w= here you first use it.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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>  =0D
-A PTO value of at least 1.5*SRTT ensures that the ACK is overdue.  The 1=
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-based on {{?TLP}}, but implementations MAY experiment with other constan=
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+The PTO period is the amount of time that a sender ought to wait for an=0D=
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-The PTO period is the amount of time that a s=
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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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-A PTO value of at least 1.5*SRTT ensures that the ACK is overdue.  The 1=
.5 is=0D
-based on {{?TLP}}, but implementations MAY experiment with other constan=
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+The PTO period is the amount of time that a sender ought to wait for an=0D=

+acknowledgement for a sent packet to be received.  This time period incl=
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-acknowledgement for a sent packet to be recei=
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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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>  =0D
-A PTO value of at least 1.5*SRTT ensures that the ACK is overdue.  The 1=
.5 is=0D
-based on {{?TLP}}, but implementations MAY experiment with other constan=
ts.=0D
+The PTO period is the amount of time that a sender ought to wait for an=0D=

+acknowledgement for a sent packet to be received.  This time period incl=
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Using variance here is potentially confusing, since it's not true vari= ance and it's 4*rttvar.

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I'm having a hard time coming up with suggestions, but I'll think abou= t it.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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-To reduce latency, it is RECOMMENDED that the sender set and allow the T=
LP timer=0D
-to fire twice before setting an RTO timer. In other words, when the TLP =
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-timer be scheduled for a second time. When the TLP timer expires the sec=
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-time, a second TLP packet is sent, and an RTO timer SHOULD be scheduled =
{{rto}}.=0D
+There is no requirement on the clock granularity. If the PTO computation=
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+in a value of zero, a sender MUST set the PTO value to kGranularity, to =
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How about "The PTO must be set to at least kGranularity,"

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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>  =0D
-A TLP packet SHOULD carry new data when possible. If new data is unavail=
able or=0D
-new data cannot be sent due to flow control, a TLP packet MAY retransmit=
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er=0D
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+A PTO timer is set on an ack-eliciting tail packet.  A sender may not kn=
ow that=0D
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Drop this first sentence and move the second sentence up with "When th= e final ack-eliciting packet"

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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>  =0D
-Similar to TCP {{?RFC6298}}, the RTO period is set based on the followin=
g=0D
-conditions:=0D
+When a PTO timer expires, the sender MUST send one ack-eliciting packet =
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+probe. A sender MAY send up to two ack-eliciting packets, to avoid an ex=
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+consecutive PTO expiration due to packet loss.=0D
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-consecutive PTO expiration due to packet loss=
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+consecutive PTO expiration due to a single packet loss.=0D
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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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-* When an RTO timer expires, the RTO period is doubled.=0D
+Probe packets sent on a PTO MUST be ack-eliciting.  A probe packet SHOUL=
D carry=0D
+new data when possible.  Implementers MAY use alternate strategies for=0D=

+determining the content of probe packets.  An implementation could use n=
ew data=0D
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From "An implementation could" on, this paragraph seems quite speculat= ive, and the first sentence is redundant to the above setence "A probe pa= cket SHOULD carry new data when possible."

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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>  =0D
-A packet sent on an RTO timer MUST NOT be blocked by the sender's co=
ngestion=0D
-controller. A sender MUST however count these packets as being in flight=
, since=0D
-this packet adds network load without establishing packet loss.=0D
+If an ACK frame is received that newly acknowledges only those packets t=
hat were=0D
+sent after a PTO timer expiration, all unacknowledged packets with lower=
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+numbers MUST be marked as lost.=0D
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This will happen naturally due to loss detection I believe.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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>  =0D
-Acknowledgement or loss of tail loss probes are treated like any other p=
acket.=0D
+Probe packets MUST NOT be blocked by the congestion controller.  A sende=
r MUST=0D
+however count these packets as being additionally in flight, since these=
 packets=0D
+adds network load without establishing packet loss.  Note that sending p=
robe=0D
+packets might cause the sender's estimated bytes in flight to exceed=
 the=0D
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-packets might cause the sender's estimated by=
tes in flight to exceed the=0D
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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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>  =0D
-Acknowledgement or loss of tail loss probes are treated like any other p=
acket.=0D
+Probe packets MUST NOT be blocked by the congestion controller.  A sende=
r MUST=0D
+however count these packets as being additionally in flight, since these=
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+adds network load without establishing packet loss.  Note that sending p=
robe=0D
+packets might cause the sender's estimated bytes in flight to exceed=
 the=0D
+sender's congestion window until an acknowledgement is received that=
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-sender's congestion window until an acknowled=
gement is received that establishes=0D
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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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>  =0D
-Acknowledgement or loss of tail loss probes are treated like any other p=
acket.=0D
+Probe packets MUST NOT be blocked by the congestion controller.  A sende=
r MUST=0D
+however count these packets as being additionally in flight, since these=
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+adds network load without establishing packet loss.  Note that sending p=
robe=0D
+packets might cause the sender's estimated bytes in flight to exceed=
 the=0D
+sender's congestion window until an acknowledgement is received that=
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=0D

Also, I think this would read better as "until packets are acknowledge= d or lost."

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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>  =0D
-## Retransmission Timeout=0D
+A PTO expiration is classified as spurious or valid when an ACK frame is=
=0D
+received that newly acknowledges packets in flight, see {{pto-loss}}.  O=
n a=0D
+valid PTO, the congestion window MUST be reduced to the minimum congesti=
on=0D
+window and slow start is re-entered.=0D
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Agreed, this is a potentially substantial change.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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>  =0D
 ~~~=0D
-   OnRetransmissionTimeoutVerified(packet_number)=0D
+   OnProbeTimeoutVerified(packet_number)=0D
=0D

I'd suggest we keep a "you can not do the CWND reduction on the first = or 2nd PTO" to keep behavior more similar to what QUIC has now.

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The 1.5 is -based on {{?TLP}}, but implementations MAY experiment with other constants. +The PTO period is the amount of time that a sender ought to wait for an This isn't a normative statement. I can use should, but SHOULD isn't warranted here. > -A TLP packet SHOULD carry new data when possible. If new data is unavailable or -new data cannot be sent due to flow control, a TLP packet MAY retransmit -unacknowledged data to potentially reduce recovery time. Since a TLP timer is -used to send a probe into the network prior to establishing any packet loss, -prior unacknowledged packets SHOULD NOT be marked as lost when a TLP timer -expires. +A PTO timer is set on an ack-eliciting tail packet. A sender may not know that I don't understand your suggestion, but I've rewritten this, PTAL > -* When an RTO timer expires, the RTO period is doubled. +Probe packets sent on a PTO MUST be ack-eliciting. A probe packet SHOULD carry +new data when possible. Implementers MAY use alternate strategies for +determining the content of probe packets. An implementation could use new data I've rephrased it. The idea is to recommend one strategy but allow experimentation. > -A packet sent on an RTO timer MUST NOT be blocked by the sender's congestion -controller. A sender MUST however count these packets as being in flight, since -this packet adds network load without establishing packet loss. +If an ACK frame is received that newly acknowledges only those packets that were +sent after a PTO timer expiration, all unacknowledged packets with lower packet +numbers MUST be marked as lost. This is what we had earlier, I'm just keeping this text. I think we should simplify this response to a single loss-detection response, but I'd like to do that next. > @@ -577,21 +560,18 @@ kTimeThreshold: considers a packet lost. Specified as an RTT multiplier. The RECOMMENDED value is 9/8. -kMinTLPTimeout: -: Minimum time in the future a tail loss probe timer may be set for. - The RECOMMENDED value is 10ms. +kGranularity: This is what we used to do with kMinTLP and kMinRTO. There's a forward reference where it's used earlier to this section. > -Acknowledgement or loss of tail loss probes are treated like any other packet. +Probe packets MUST NOT be blocked by the congestion controller. A sender MUST +however count these packets as being additionally in flight, since these packets +adds network load without establishing packet loss. Note that sending probe +packets might cause the sender's estimated bytes in flight to exceed the I don't like this use of bytes in flight... it doesn't sound right. If "bytes in flight" is being used as a var name, we should hyphenate and use it. Otherwise, as an English sentence, it doesn't read well. I'll change it because I think we need to make this change more globally in this doc. > -Acknowledgement or loss of tail loss probes are treated like any other packet. +Probe packets MUST NOT be blocked by the congestion controller. A sender MUST +however count these packets as being additionally in flight, since these packets +adds network load without establishing packet loss. Note that sending probe +packets might cause the sender's estimated bytes in flight to exceed the +sender's congestion window until an acknowledgement is received that establishes I prefer "established as lost" to "packets are lost". Packets are lost when they're dropped in the network, and the sender establishes loss later. > -## Retransmission Timeout +A PTO expiration is classified as spurious or valid when an ACK frame is +received that newly acknowledges packets in flight, see {{pto-loss}}. On a +valid PTO, the congestion window MUST be reduced to the minimum congestion +window and slow start is re-entered. Only if there was in fact loss previously and if the PTO is valid. If the PTO is spurious, which is equivalent to when TLP is triggered but is spurious, the outcome is the same -- no action. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2114#discussion_r240817198 ----==_mimepart_5c1041934e762_52f13fa653ad45c412831 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-A PTO value of at least 1.5*SRTT ensures that the ACK is overdue.  The 1.5 is
-based on {{?TLP}}, but implementations MAY experiment with other constants.
+The PTO period is the amount of time that a sender ought to wait for an

This isn't a normative statement. I can use should, but SHOULD isn't warranted here.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-A TLP packet SHOULD carry new data when possible. If new data is unavailable or
-new data cannot be sent due to flow control, a TLP packet MAY retransmit
-unacknowledged data to potentially reduce recovery time. Since a TLP timer is
-used to send a probe into the network prior to establishing any packet loss,
-prior unacknowledged packets SHOULD NOT be marked as lost when a TLP timer
-expires.
+A PTO timer is set on an ack-eliciting tail packet.  A sender may not know that

I don't understand your suggestion, but I've rewritten this, PTAL

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-* When an RTO timer expires, the RTO period is doubled.
+Probe packets sent on a PTO MUST be ack-eliciting.  A probe packet SHOULD carry
+new data when possible.  Implementers MAY use alternate strategies for
+determining the content of probe packets.  An implementation could use new data

I've rephrased it. The idea is to recommend one strategy but allow experimentation.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-A packet sent on an RTO timer MUST NOT be blocked by the sender's congestion
-controller. A sender MUST however count these packets as being in flight, since
-this packet adds network load without establishing packet loss.
+If an ACK frame is received that newly acknowledges only those packets that were
+sent after a PTO timer expiration, all unacknowledged packets with lower packet
+numbers MUST be marked as lost.

This is what we had earlier, I'm just keeping this text. I think we should simplify this response to a single loss-detection response, but I'd like to do that next.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -577,21 +560,18 @@ kTimeThreshold:
   considers a packet lost. Specified as an RTT multiplier. The RECOMMENDED
   value is 9/8.
 
-kMinTLPTimeout:
-: Minimum time in the future a tail loss probe timer may be set for.
-  The RECOMMENDED value is 10ms.
+kGranularity:

This is what we used to do with kMinTLP and kMinRTO. There's a forward reference where it's used earlier to this section.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-Acknowledgement or loss of tail loss probes are treated like any other packet.
+Probe packets MUST NOT be blocked by the congestion controller.  A sender MUST
+however count these packets as being additionally in flight, since these packets
+adds network load without establishing packet loss.  Note that sending probe
+packets might cause the sender's estimated bytes in flight to exceed the

I don't like this use of bytes in flight... it doesn't sound right. If "bytes in flight" is being used as a var name, we should hyphenate and use it. Otherwise, as an English sentence, it doesn't read well. I'll change it because I think we need to make this change more globally in this doc.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-Acknowledgement or loss of tail loss probes are treated like any other packet.
+Probe packets MUST NOT be blocked by the congestion controller.  A sender MUST
+however count these packets as being additionally in flight, since these packets
+adds network load without establishing packet loss.  Note that sending probe
+packets might cause the sender's estimated bytes in flight to exceed the
+sender's congestion window until an acknowledgement is received that establishes

I prefer "established as lost" to "packets are lost". Packets are lost when they're dropped in the network, and the sender establishes loss later.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-## Retransmission Timeout
+A PTO expiration is classified as spurious or valid when an ACK frame is
+received that newly acknowledges packets in flight, see {{pto-loss}}.  On a
+valid PTO, the congestion window MUST be reduced to the minimum congestion
+window and slow start is re-entered.

Only if there was in fact loss previously and if the PTO is valid. If the PTO is spurious, which is equivalent to when TLP is triggered but is spurious, the outcome is the same -- no action.

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A value of 18 on the wire would turn into a value of 17 until the number of entries received indicated that this rolls over. See the algorithm in #1904.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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-  this ACK frame. Detects if the network rema=
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I don't think that this is necessary.

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Haven't reviewed, but these might help

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----==_mimepart_5c1043da3f64d_6ecc3ff64b6d45bc62480-- From nobody Tue Dec 11 15:13:45 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42EC4130F58 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 15:13:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.842 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.842 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bIzy8ZLyoCoL for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 15:13:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D0A2F124D68 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 15:13:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 15:13:41 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544570021; bh=Vkb24tfM3ZblFlUaT6bi3XdSp+SoHQerMws8ojkMBrM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=pQfXNDjo2i5jQ1FzayjbS+qb9cQEI+idRwDXduO1fDGisyK93bsIzbfcjuwUvFA9z SmbHjGiLq5MvbzYdF5FPjEuTyBXSc1xVcRYxsiehnij+N1o/mJ/atG+jSoyN5a+Scc 8UgXRNFB6eh0wvMR6topuIebF75OHu2+VPizrVL0= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] High BDP and adapted congestion control (#2091) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c1044a4f3eb8_1f373f813fcd45c424761d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 23:13:43 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c1044a4f3eb8_1f373f813fcd45c424761d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At the moment, endpoints are free to choose an alternate congestion controller. Let's open this issue again when there is a specific controller with a specific transport parameter that is needed for it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2091#issuecomment-446398971 ----==_mimepart_5c1044a4f3eb8_1f373f813fcd45c424761d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

At the moment, endpoints are free to choose an alternate congestion controller. Let's open this issue again when there is a specific controller with a specific transport parameter that is needed for it.

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Closed #2091.

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I don't think there's interest in adding any recommendations, so I'll close this issue.

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I'll park this issue, and it can be picked up when we do an extension for it.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closes #2085. 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Closes #2085.

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@martinthomson requested changes on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -963,7 +963,7 @@ response to a migrating peer, see {{migration-linkability}} for more.
 An endpoint maintains a set of connection IDs received from its peer, any of
 which it can use when sending packets.  When the endpoint wishes to remove a
 connection ID from use, it sends a RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frame to its peer,
-indicating that the peer might bring a new connection ID into circulation using
+indicating that the peer SHOULD bring a new connection ID into circulation using

This text is wrong. Adding "SHOULD" highlighted that because the subject is indirect. RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID indicates that the connection ID won't be used again, and requests the sending of a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame.

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We should close this once #2045 is merged. It's not perfect, but we get most of the way.

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Closed by #2033.

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@MikeBishop 's suggestion seems sensible.

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@martinthomson requested changes on this pull request.

I think that we should instead refer to the current limit as the "Table Size" or "Dynamic Table Size" and reserve "Maximum Table Size" to refer to the maximum value that can take. In other words, Maximum refers to the setting.

Not sure how to review the moved text. How much changed?

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  
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-   MaxEntries = floor( MaxTableSize / 32 )
-~~~
+### Maximum Table Size

I think that we need to use "Table Size" for this concept and reserve the maximum table size for the setting.

That invalidates much of this.

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Closes #2093

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----==_mimepart_5c10590955766_56da3f861bcd45c0136031-- From nobody Tue Dec 11 16:42:25 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 430BE130F62 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 16:42:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.842 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.842 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M64MXlC7LS_k for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 16:42:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-12.smtp.github.com (out-12.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9CA3D130F3E for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 16:42:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 16:42:22 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544575342; bh=ef9rSZ0oBpIfPj0qvrCsSfcCzhvbpRIMHLkptVhJraY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=tNapmEp9h5SywuuajNosmSsNoYn/DE8cNG+sJCo2ZDT9rra1hMDgdy2CqkJzZds3R UoeR/VL0gdJ1Lua9+QmQwGZ/ObvpzaAdVwerzd+Sf+omIEbgdxpK2IlzJ4GYx3pyGc bk9AiAtCIaTptBXOG9ls65t7IV7t3XkNVACYPLgQ= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Should retiring all CIDs be an error? (#2101) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c10596e18342_34223f8555ad45c0202316"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 00:42:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c10596e18342_34223f8555ad45c0202316 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Clever. But I'm not sure that this relationship is maintained. We used to have frame processing dependent on the packet header. It wasn't popular and I think that was the very first thing we fixed. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2101#issuecomment-446418073 ----==_mimepart_5c10596e18342_34223f8555ad45c0202316 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Clever. But I'm not sure that this relationship is maintained. We used to have frame processing dependent on the packet header. It wasn't popular and I think that was the very first thing we fixed.

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The current "Path Maximum Transmission Unit (PMTU)" text requires endpoints to "immediately cease sending QUIC packets" on a path that PMTU discovery mechanism suggested has fallen below 1280.

This may be a damaging recommendation, especially if no alternative path is available. PMTU discovery is not perfect and network conditions are not permanent -- it is more likely that a temporary network condition caused too many PMTU probe losses than a durable routing change causing packets to flow over a very narrow pipe.

Hence, a PR: #2108.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closes #2059. 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Closes #2059.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2119

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Frame processing dependent on the packet header is a requirement on th= e receiver. Error detection by the receiver is not a MUST here. A prohi= bition against RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID CID used by send RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID= would be MUST for the sender.

(If we do not resolve this in the Transport draft, this would certainl= y need to make its way into Applicability draft as a warning against reti= ring all CIDs.)

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -325,7 +334,8 @@ smaller initial reordering thresholds to minimize recovery latency.
 ### Packet Threshold
 
 The RECOMMENDED initial value for the packet reordering threshold
-(kPacketThreshold) is 3, based on TCP loss detection {{?RFC5681}} {{?RFC6675}}.
+(kPacketThreshold) is 3, based on best practices for TCP loss detection
+{{?RFC5681}} {{?RFC6675}} {{FACK}}.

We mention FACK in "## Ack-based Detection", so I thought it might make more sense there?

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@janaiyengar that was intended as an addition, I agree you still need to say ignore.

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I think the verification procedure defined here still spuriously fails= when the receiver sends a pair of ACK such that each ACK newly acknowled= ges at least one packet not acknowledged by the other (for example, due t= o an implementation aggressively limiting the number of ACK blocks sent),= and the ACKs are reordered such when the sender receives them, it sees t= he one with higher ECN counters first. By my reading, the apparent reduct= ion in ECN would cause verification to fail.

Ignoring ECN blocks from ACKs whose largest acked PN is not higher tha= n that of every previous ACK would resolve this problem by ensuring that = reordered ECN blocks are always ignored, and subsumes the "no new acknowl= edgements" test.

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It would also be helpful to briefly mention that the local reference count is maintained (by copying verified ECN blocks from ACKs?) > * The total increase in ECT(0), ECT(1), and CE counters reported in the ACK frame MUST be at least the total number of QUIC packets newly acknowledged in - this ACK frame. + this ACK frame. Detects if the network remark ECT(0), ECT(1) or CE to ```suggestion this ACK frame. Detects if the network remarks ECT(0), ECT(1) or CE to ``` > * The total increase in ECT(0), ECT(1), and CE counters reported in the ACK frame MUST be at least the total number of QUIC packets newly acknowledged in - this ACK frame. + this ACK frame. Detects if the network remark ECT(0), ECT(1) or CE to + Not-ECT. + +If a sender receives an ACK that contains no new acknowledgments, for example +due to reordering of the ACKs, then ECN counter comparison SHOULD NOT be +performed. Also if sender do not have state to determine if a particular PSN ```suggestion performed. If the sender does not have state to determine if a particular PSN ``` > * The total increase in ECT(0), ECT(1), and CE counters reported in the ACK frame MUST be at least the total number of QUIC packets newly acknowledged in - this ACK frame. + this ACK frame. Detects if the network remark ECT(0), ECT(1) or CE to + Not-ECT. + +If a sender receives an ACK that contains no new acknowledgments, for example +due to reordering of the ACKs, then ECN counter comparison SHOULD NOT be +performed. Also if sender do not have state to determine if a particular PSN +is newly acknowledge or not, then the comparison SHOULD NOT be performed. The implication here seems to be that an implementation should retain extra state to distinguish between a packet that is deemed lost but not yet acknowledged and a packet that was previously acknowledged. Is that intended? If these two cases are instead conflated, e.g. by forgetting about sent packets once either acknowledged or deemed lost, then at worst the number of newly acknowledged packets in an ACK would sometimes be under-counted, and a verification with a higher rate of false positives seems preferable to going to extra effort to decide to skip verification outright. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2113#pullrequestreview-183985779 ----==_mimepart_5c10701cb3d4d_35b53f8a548d45b4270725 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@Ralith commented on this pull request.

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It would also be helpful to briefly mention that the local reference c= ount is maintained (by copying verified ECN blocks from ACKs?)

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+  this ACK frame. Detects if the network remarks ECT(0), ECT(1) or CE to=
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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 * The total increase in ECT(0), ECT(1), and CE counters reported in the =
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   frame MUST be at least the total number of QUIC packets newly acknowle=
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-  this ACK frame.=0D
+  this ACK frame. Detects if the network remark ECT(0), ECT(1) or CE to=0D=

+  Not-ECT.=0D
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+If a sender receives an ACK that contains no new acknowledgments, for ex=
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+due to reordering of the ACKs, then ECN counter comparison SHOULD NOT be=
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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 * The total increase in ECT(0), ECT(1), and CE counters reported in the =
ACK=0D
   frame MUST be at least the total number of QUIC packets newly acknowle=
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-  this ACK frame.=0D
+  this ACK frame. Detects if the network remark ECT(0), ECT(1) or CE to=0D=

+  Not-ECT.=0D
+=0D
+If a sender receives an ACK that contains no new acknowledgments, for ex=
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+due to reordering of the ACKs, then ECN counter comparison SHOULD NOT be=
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+performed. Also if sender do not have state to determine if a particular=
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+is newly acknowledge or not, then the comparison SHOULD NOT be performed=
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The implication here seems to be that an implementation should retain = extra state to distinguish between a packet that is deemed lost but not y= et acknowledged and a packet that was previously acknowledged. Is that in= tended?

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If these two cases are instead conflated, e.g. by forgetting about sen= t packets once either acknowledged or deemed lost, then at worst the numb= er of newly acknowledged packets in an ACK would sometimes be under-count= ed, and a verification with a higher rate of false positives seems prefer= able to going to extra effort to decide to skip verification outright.=0D =0D

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -792,7 +792,7 @@ Pseudocode for SetLossDetectionTimer follows:
  SetLossDetectionTimer():
     // Don't arm timer if there are no ack-eliciting packets
     // in flight.
-    if (bytes_in_flight == 0):
+    if (no ack-eliciting packets oustanding):

We never define what outstanding means, from what I can find, though we do use in a few spots. In this case, I believe it should be "no ack-eliciting packets In-flight"?

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I continue to be unconvinced this is the right answer, and I'd prefer you not merge it. If you elect to do so in any case, I am going to want to talk about it in Tokyo.

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Looking much better. > -A packet sent at the tail is particularly vulnerable to slow loss detection, -since acks of subsequent packets are needed to trigger ack-based detection. To -ameliorate this weakness of tail packets, the sender schedules a timer when the -last ack-eliciting packet before quiescence is transmitted. Upon timeout, -a Tail Loss Probe (TLP) packet is sent to evoke an acknowledgement from the -receiver. +A Probe Timeout (PTO) triggers a probe packet when ack-eliciting data is in +flight but an acknowledgement is not received within the expected period of +time. A PTO enables a connection to recover from loss of tail packets or acks, +where acks of subsequent packets are not available to trigger ack-based loss This sentence is long and the second half is awkward. I'd either split it into two sentences or just drop the second half. > -To reduce latency, it is RECOMMENDED that the sender set and allow the TLP timer -to fire twice before setting an RTO timer. In other words, when the TLP timer -expires the first time, a TLP packet is sent, and it is RECOMMENDED that the TLP -timer be scheduled for a second time. When the TLP timer expires the second -time, a second TLP packet is sent, and an RTO timer SHOULD be scheduled {{rto}}. +There is no requirement on the clock granularity. The PTO value MUST be set to I find it weird you talk about not having a requirement on clock granularity, but don't discuss what it is more than the name. Also, is this clock granularity or alarm granularity? I think you want alarm granularity? > -* When the final TLP packet is sent, the RTO period is set to max(SRTT + - 4*RTTVAR + MaxAckDelay, kMinRTOTimeout) +Consecutive PTO periods increase exponentially, and as a result, connection +recovery latency increases exponentially as packets continue to be dropped in +the network. Sending two packets on PTO expiration increases resilience to +packet drop in both directions, thus reducing the probability of consecutive PTO How does it help in both directions? If the two packets are sent at about the same time, wouldn't they be acknowledged in a single ACK? I guess that depends upon the details of what "immediately" means for ACKs with newly missing packets? > -* When an RTO timer expires, the RTO period is doubled. +Probe packets sent on a PTO MUST be ack-eliciting. A probe packet SHOULD carry +new data when possible. A probe packet MAY carry retransmitted unacknowledged +data when new data is unavailable, when flow control does not permit new data to +be sent, or to opportunistically reduce loss recovery delay. Implementers MAY +use alternate strategies for determining the content of probe packets, including +sending new or retransmitted data based on the application's priorities. Thanks, this is much better! > -QUIC also diverges from TCP by including MaxAckDelay in the RTO period. Since -QUIC corrects for this delay in its SRTT and RTTVAR computations, it is -necessary to add this delay explicitly in the TLP and RTO computation. +Delivery or loss of packets in flight is established when an acknowledgement is Should this be "an ACK"? We typically talk about an acknowledgement as referencing a single packet. > -QUIC also diverges from TCP by including MaxAckDelay in the RTO period. Since -QUIC corrects for this delay in its SRTT and RTTVAR computations, it is -necessary to add this delay explicitly in the TLP and RTO computation. +Delivery or loss of packets in flight is established when an acknowledgement is +received that newly acknowledges one or more packets. An endpoint might receive +an acknowledgement after multiple consecutive PTO periods. I feel like you're trying to say something more with this last sentence, but I'm not sure what? > @@ -802,7 +772,7 @@ Pseudocode for SetLossDetectionTimer follows: timeout = 2 * kInitialRtt else: timeout = 2 * smoothed_rtt - timeout = max(timeout, kMinTLPTimeout) + timeout = max(timeout, granularity) ```suggestion timeout = max(timeout, kGranularity) ``` > timeout = smoothed_rtt + 4 * rttvar + max_ack_delay - timeout = max(timeout, kMinRTOTimeout) - timeout = timeout * (2 ^ rto_count) - if (tlp_count < kMaxTLPs): - // Tail Loss Probe - tlp_timeout = max(1.5 * smoothed_rtt - + max_ack_delay, kMinTLPTimeout) - timeout = min(tlp_timeout, timeout) + timeout = max(timeout, granularity) ```suggestion timeout = max(timeout, kGranularity) ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Looking much better.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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-A packet sent at the tail is particularly vulnerable to slow loss detect=
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-since acks of subsequent packets are needed to trigger ack-based detecti=
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-last ack-eliciting packet before quiescence is transmitted. Upon timeout=
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+A Probe Timeout (PTO) triggers a probe packet when ack-eliciting data is=
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+flight but an acknowledgement is not received within the expected period=
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+time.  A PTO enables a connection to recover from loss of tail packets o=
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This sentence is long and the second half is awkward. I'd either spli= t it into two sentences or just drop the second half.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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I find it weird you talk about not having a requirement on clock granu= larity, but don't discuss what it is more than the name.

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Also, is this clock granularity or alarm granularity? I think you wan= t alarm granularity?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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-* When the final TLP packet is sent, the RTO period is set to max(SRTT +=
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+packet drop in both directions, thus reducing the probability of consecu=
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How does it help in both directions? If the two packets are sent at a= bout the same time, wouldn't they be acknowledged in a single ACK? I gue= ss that depends upon the details of what "immediately" means for ACKs wit= h newly missing packets?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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-* When an RTO timer expires, the RTO period is doubled.=0D
+Probe packets sent on a PTO MUST be ack-eliciting.  A probe packet SHOUL=
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Thanks, this is much better!

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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-QUIC also diverges from TCP by including MaxAckDelay in the RTO period. =
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-necessary to add this delay explicitly in the TLP and RTO computation.=0D=

+Delivery or loss of packets in flight is established when an acknowledge=
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Should this be "an ACK"? We typically talk about an acknowledgement a= s referencing a single packet.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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-QUIC also diverges from TCP by including MaxAckDelay in the RTO period. =
Since=0D
-QUIC corrects for this delay in its SRTT and RTTVAR computations, it is=0D=

-necessary to add this delay explicitly in the TLP and RTO computation.=0D=

+Delivery or loss of packets in flight is established when an acknowledge=
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I feel like you're trying to say something more with this last sentenc= e, but I'm not sure what?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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I think that there is a principled position that can be used to justify this change and not (for example) #2076. Taking that to the list is the right answer though.

I don't know how to avoid having this delay -17. I guess we'll just have to see.

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Thanks Martin, I think this is now fairly close. > @@ -3592,6 +3594,21 @@ and will contain a CRYPTO frame with an offset matching the size of the CRYPTO frame sent in the first Initial packet. Cryptographic handshake messages subsequent to the first do not need to fit within a single UDP datagram. + +### Abandoning Initial Packets {#discard-initial} + +A client stops both sending and accepting Initial packets when it sends its This draft uses packet processing, and accepting for things like "accepting" new connections, so I think processing is better here and on 3601 > @@ -1059,6 +1084,15 @@ A sender that does not use pacing SHOULD reset its congestion window to the minimum of the current congestion window and the initial congestion window. This recommendation is based on Section 4.1 of {{?RFC5681}}. +## In-Flight Packet Accounting + +When keys for an packet number space are discarded (see {{QUIC-TLS}}), any +packets sent with those keys are removed from the count of bytes in flight. No clarification: any in-flight packets sent with those keys > @@ -439,6 +456,14 @@ Either packet indicates that the Initial was received but not processed. Neither packet can be treated as an acknowledgment for the Initial, but they MAY be used to improve the RTT estimate. +#### Discarding Initial State {#discard-initial} + +As described in Section 4.10 of {{QUIC-TLS}}, endpoints stop sending and I think it makes more sense to reference the transport draft, now that it has the required text. Also, it's a bit odd to have the recovery draft have a direct dependency on TLS. Most of this paragraph seems to apply to the Handshake encryption level as well, correct? > @@ -1059,6 +1084,15 @@ A sender that does not use pacing SHOULD reset its congestion window to the minimum of the current congestion window and the initial congestion window. This recommendation is based on Section 4.1 of {{?RFC5681}}. +## In-Flight Packet Accounting I would call this section something else like "Discarding Keys" or "Abandoning Encryption Levels" > @@ -439,6 +456,14 @@ Either packet indicates that the Initial was received but not processed. Neither packet can be treated as an acknowledgment for the Initial, but they MAY be used to improve the RTT estimate. +#### Discarding Initial State {#discard-initial} + +As described in Section 4.10 of {{QUIC-TLS}}, endpoints stop sending and +receiving Initial packets once they start exchanging Handshake packets. At this +point, all loss recovery state for the Initial packet number space is also +discarded. After discarding state, new Initial packets will not be sent and no ```suggestion discarded without declaring them acknowledged or lost. After discarding state, new Initial packets will not be sent. ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Thanks Martin, I think this is now fairly close.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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clarification: any in-flight packets sent with those keys

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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I think it makes more sense to reference the transport draft, now that= it has the required text. Also, it's a bit odd to have the recovery dra= ft have a direct dependency on TLS.

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Most of this paragraph seems to apply to the Handshake encryption leve= l as well, correct?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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not use pacing SHOULD reset its congestion window to the=0D
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I would call this section something else like "Discarding Keys" or "Ab= andoning Encryption Levels"

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they MAY=0D
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+#### Discarding Initial State {#discard-initial}=0D
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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -792,7 +792,7 @@ Pseudocode for SetLossDetectionTimer follows:
  SetLossDetectionTimer():
     // Don't arm timer if there are no ack-eliciting packets
     // in flight.
-    if (bytes_in_flight == 0):
+    if (no ack-eliciting packets oustanding):

we use it below, which is why I used it here. I could change them both to "in flight" or leave them at outstanding

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----==_mimepart_5c1093e07375b_502e3fd814ed45b42762c-- From nobody Tue Dec 11 21:39:46 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB20C1310EB for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 21:39:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9yfjDNqyp5Jp for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 21:39:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C731A1310D8 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 21:39:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 21:39:40 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544593180; bh=vLvX+/catyXu4LIsCkWWFGaajfCW9YNccNxZazQSlfw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Xx0TWHRzWZMOb76AjUvjkIN4TpmSyYtQm/qNtDoEIL70yRy51l+gavJjLU9pJk3uj ujDC42xZTm3nA5dm8YiNonDKHvPLZtMLogB3QQ/rTxIx2cSRbm72m88527GjIPe9O/ g8yHI4ttQbxhniL3nAPZggH5yPSeLJ2HPhfx+Lj0= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] create codec streams only when necessary (#2090) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c109f1ce99a8_7a643f88806d45b4172388"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 05:39:45 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c109f1ce99a8_7a643f88806d45b4172388 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Let me try to expand on my earlier comment. I currently create these streams when building my connection object. This allows requests and responses to use those streams directly. If the streams might not exist, then I have to allow those values to be absent throughout, which is annoying but not a big deal. More of a concern is that this is concurrent code, so deferring creation would mean that I would have to guard the variables holding the streams with a mutex (or atomic, which always gives me the creeps). That creates the potential for contention point on every new message. Not saying impossible, but it is annoying. And all in service to implementations that are not interested in handling a stream that will only ever contain a single octet. Given the complexity of this protocol as a whole, it seems like a strange optimization to make. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2090#issuecomment-446468738 ----==_mimepart_5c109f1ce99a8_7a643f88806d45b4172388 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Let me try to expand on my earlier comment. I currently create these = streams when building my connection object. This allows requests and res= ponses to use those streams directly. If the streams might not exist, th= en I have to allow those values to be absent throughout, which is annoyin= g but not a big deal. More of a concern is that this is concurrent code,= so deferring creation would mean that I would have to guard the variable= s holding the streams with a mutex (or atomic, which always gives me the = creeps). That creates the potential for contention point on every new me= ssage.

Not saying impossible, but it is annoying. And all in service to impl= ementations that are not interested in handling a stream that will only e= ver contain a single octet. Given the complexity of this protocol as a w= hole, it seems like a strange optimization to make.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  operating systems and middleboxes.  QUIC authenticates all of its headers and
-encrypts most of the data it exchanges, including its signaling, to avoid
+encrypts most of the data it exchanges -- including its signaling -- to avoid

This is just what I learned from Professor Schulzrinne. If we had real em-dashes, I'd use them, but the budget version is just bad.

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----==_mimepart_5c10a1b7c75c7_7b23fbbebad45bc48745c-- From nobody Tue Dec 11 22:25:50 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DB83131110 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 22:25:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.056 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.056 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZClvb9RmSugR for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 22:25:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D9192131106 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 22:25:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 22:25:45 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544595945; bh=AtElNEchoLV49snjQ3Y6nO6qKdaHwiUblxpb+Pn2/g0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=HVvAsRPJ1yMCfmd4RJu24cgXjpMFERisiMTeizr7h1bM4ZHuV0Rd9Ti2htcoKdtTn MpcLBQXldQeb4qmS6boPbT63A/PHz23rUk0gERgdsv1MCmGvvh2kpf4kdhluRsxvtW 9QUVJE3qtQXIaqRUo2THtjYNAKUK6J+0FeUbRndI= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Amplification attack using retry tokens and spoofed addresses (#2064) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c10a9e979f03_79403f9978ad45c07436d9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 06:25:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c10a9e979f03_79403f9978ad45c07436d9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How about: > Attackers could replay tokens to use servers as amplifiers in DDoS attacks. To protect against such attacks, servers SHOULD ensure that tokens sent in Retry packets are only accepted for a short time. Tokens that are provided in NEW_TOKEN frames (see {{frame-new-token}}) need to be valid for longer, but SHOULD NOT be accepted multiple times in a short period. Servers are encouraged to allow tokens to be used only once, if possible. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2064#issuecomment-446477111 ----==_mimepart_5c10a9e979f03_79403f9978ad45c07436d9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

How about:

Attackers could replay tokens to use servers as amplifiers in DDoS att= acks. To protect
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The current recommendations for all transports are covered by:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-tsvwg-datagram-plpmtud
Section 3, requirement 4 currently describes the TSVWG work on DPLPMTUD.

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At what point is a token accepted? If a connection attempt fails halfway and client makes a new connection attempt with the same token, the only token it has, what happens then?

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I agree with MT that unnecessary concurrency is bad, but without digging= into MT's architecture, I'd just point out that atomic reads or writes of = integers are generally very cheap operations, unlike atomic exchange and th= e likes. This only applies when you can afford to react lazily to updates -= such as more flow credits available. Technically you may need a costly bus= sync (fence) to eventually see writes by other cores, but in praxis this h= appen soon enough.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -792,7 +792,7 @@ Pseudocode for SetLossDetectionTimer follows:
  SetLossDetectionTimer():
     // Don't arm timer if there are no ack-eliciting packets
     // in flight.
-    if (bytes_in_flight == 0):
+    if (no ack-eliciting packets oustanding):

I sent #2120 to remove existing uses of outstanding.

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-## Retransmission Timeout
+A PTO expiration is classified as spurious or valid when an ACK frame is
+received that newly acknowledges packets in flight, see {{pto-loss}}.  On a
+valid PTO, the congestion window MUST be reduced to the minimum congestion
+window and slow start is re-entered.

If you have a lot of tails(ie: HTTP traffic), then it doesn't take too many packet losses to end up hitting this. TLP was targeted partially at cases like that, and I think you'll find changing it will produce measurable performance regressions in web traffic. We can do something else in a follow-up, but as I said before, I'd prefer text saying SHOULD consider an acknowledgement of the first PTO as standard packet loss, not extreme congestion, and treat it as such.

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Specific suggestion in pseudocode to prevent a single packet loss from leading to massive CWND reduction.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -722,14 +695,13 @@ Pseudocode for OnAckReceived and UpdateRtt follow:
       // Find the smallest newly acknowledged packet
       smallest_newly_acked =
         FindSmallestNewlyAcked(newly_acked_packets)
-      // If any packets sent prior to RTO were acked, then the
-      // RTO was spurious. Otherwise, inform congestion control.
-      if (rto_count > 0 &&
-            smallest_newly_acked > largest_sent_before_rto):
-        OnRetransmissionTimeoutVerified(smallest_newly_acked)
+      // If any packets sent prior to PTO were acked, then the
+      // PTO was spurious. Otherwise, inform congestion control.
+      if (pto_count > 0 &&
+            smallest_newly_acked > largest_sent_before_pto):

You could define a kNumCongestivePtoPackets here and add it here and then define it above to be the number of PTOs you will treat as standard packet loss, and not extreme congestion.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>    Not-ECT.
 
 If a sender receives an ACK that contains no new acknowledgments, for example
 due to reordering of the ACKs, then ECN counter comparison SHOULD NOT be
-performed. Also if sender do not have state to determine if a particular PSN
-is newly acknowledge or not, then the comparison SHOULD NOT be performed.
+performed. If the sender does not have state to determine if a particular PSN
+is newly acknowledged or not, then the comparison SHOULD NOT be performed.

Please explain PSN - is it Packet Serial Number? In that case "packet", "packet number", or "PN" is more aligned with the rest of the text, I suppose.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>    Not-ECT.
 
 If a sender receives an ACK that contains no new acknowledgments, for example
 due to reordering of the ACKs, then ECN counter comparison SHOULD NOT be
-performed. Also if sender do not have state to determine if a particular PSN
-is newly acknowledge or not, then the comparison SHOULD NOT be performed.
+performed. If the sender does not have state to determine if a particular PSN
+is newly acknowledged or not, then the comparison SHOULD NOT be performed.

I think it's supposed to be packet sequence number? But the text always uses packet number and abbreviates it to PN, so if that's what it is, it should be changed.

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@gloinul commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 * The total increase in ECT(0), ECT(1), and CE counters reported in the ACK
   frame MUST be at least the total number of QUIC packets newly acknowledged in
-  this ACK frame.
+  this ACK frame. Detects if the network remark ECT(0), ECT(1) or CE to
+  Not-ECT.
+
+If a sender receives an ACK that contains no new acknowledgments, for example
+due to reordering of the ACKs, then ECN counter comparison SHOULD NOT be
+performed. Also if sender do not have state to determine if a particular PSN
+is newly acknowledge or not, then the comparison SHOULD NOT be performed.

Partly, sender need to track if a packet has been acknowledged or not. But, my assumption is that the sender will have a window where such information will be discarded when likely not relevant anymore. So if everything has been ACKed up to PSN=48. Then cleaning up your state and discarding all below 48 is fine. When the reorderd ACK that indicate reception of PSN 44 and 45 can then be determined to be behind this window and ignored. The second sentence is trying to state that for this example case this is fine to do.

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@gloinul commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>    Not-ECT.
 
 If a sender receives an ACK that contains no new acknowledgments, for example
 due to reordering of the ACKs, then ECN counter comparison SHOULD NOT be
-performed. Also if sender do not have state to determine if a particular PSN
-is newly acknowledge or not, then the comparison SHOULD NOT be performed.
+performed. If the sender does not have state to determine if a particular PSN
+is newly acknowledged or not, then the comparison SHOULD NOT be performed.

Sorry, yes I will try to use PN in my comments.

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@ianswett approved this pull request.

I'm not sure if we want to do this, and if so if we want to do it in time for draft 17, but I think the text now looks fine.

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  • 0a2edd0 Removed unnecessary restriction. Added notices that local reference counters needs to be updated as part of ACK processing. Some editorials.

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@gloinul commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>    Not-ECT.
 
 If a sender receives an ACK that contains no new acknowledgments, for example
 due to reordering of the ACKs, then ECN counter comparison SHOULD NOT be
-performed. Also if sender do not have state to determine if a particular PSN
-is newly acknowledge or not, then the comparison SHOULD NOT be performed.
+performed. If the sender does not have state to determine if a particular PSN
+is newly acknowledged or not, then the comparison SHOULD NOT be performed.

This uses packet number now.

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@mikkelfj, perhaps the server generates another token and returns it in a new Retry packet?

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One thought. There are two parts of this PR.

  1. What to do when you drop keys, which the spec currently requires in s= ome cases and others may want to do(implicit acking).
  2. Add the requirement that all implementations support implicit acking.=

We really need the first part, even if we discuss the second part furt= her.

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S 8.1.2 says

If the client has a token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame on a previous connection
to what it believes to be the same server, it can include that value in the
Token field of its Initial packet.

Shouldn't this "can" be a SHOULD

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----==_mimepart_5c111b36b9cad_32363fb8924d45c4192811-- From nobody Wed Dec 12 06:39:15 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2D77127133 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 06:39:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.914 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.914 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1wFQMD_juXrb for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 06:39:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 75DFF127B92 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 06:39:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 06:39:10 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544625550; bh=GzttlvRiZmZ1b3eCOewp19Hz1rK3G2EjQScfVHsSzTE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=BoUa1chRWOLuPrkXqjgSHh4Bz5SL8zg3wQeeo7y+xS0BkNVmRuna68ekRVJ/gmyih eN3GWhPiqFOGjJh2ewDO86xrd69xgXf5P8O/laEQGSR8C74N8o0pl+dagfjwpOlQYx gBmeVjx1zx0clnR5IwvTbpx20RD5LfDszVkKUBkE= From: plakhera Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] QUIC connection migration and IPv6 only NAT64/DNS64 Networks (#2122) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c111d8e72070_5d063fa2f42d45c0369bf"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: plakhera X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 14:39:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c111d8e72070_5d063fa2f42d45c0369bf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's one issue that I believe should be addressed either in the final version. Client device has both cellular and wifi interfaces. Server has dual stack deployment. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2122 ----==_mimepart_5c111d8e72070_5d063fa2f42d45c0369bf Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Here's one issue that I believe should be addressed either in the final version.

Client device has both cellular and wifi interfaces.
Server has dual stack deployment.

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Rationale:

  1. We should recommend that people use tokens.
  2. For privacy reasons we should just forbid reuse
  3. Saying "SHOULD" attempt to validate seems weak. Why isn't this a
    MUST? This is the weakest of these changes, I think.

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  • Strengthen 2119 language around tokens.

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Rationale:

  1. We should recommend that people use tokens.
  2. Saying "SHOULD" attempt to validate seems weak. Why isn't this a
    MUST? This is the weakest of these changes, I think.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2124

Commit Summary

  • Strengthen 2119 language around tokens.

File Changes

Patch Links:

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----==_mimepart_5c111e732f6c9_4b623f81988d45c410648d-- From nobody Wed Dec 12 06:45:29 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D48131277C8 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 06:45:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.842 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.842 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 52V4JajaKjSC for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 06:45:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 16513127133 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 06:45:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 06:45:25 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544625925; bh=pl6Zme42VXvf33A7LpKAV75zCPBrESFbODci3D27BIE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=wRis1K2CEhESwoOGeUABkTcoLCAwpTrV/8YNGeZMjzd9+Qh3M1cj4RrVpw9nS3E/l pyZc5lQ8o8t9p8qZAWgiogD5q/fMO0dVnC9ltDRQ5XJx7kTwoMj1WZnDxjaCMnOfnz qvF5jY0YeonwVzDmN+njxrhDWKVR2gn8iIfw0TgU= From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Document what needs to be checked for address validation (#2125) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c111f0523bd4_5d0a3fa2f42d45c0457c3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 14:45:28 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c111f0523bd4_5d0a3fa2f42d45c0457c3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ``` There is no need for a single well-defined format for the token because the server that generates the token also consumes it. A token could include information about the claimed client address (IP and port), a timestamp, and any other supplementary information the server will need to validate the token in the future. ``` Unless I'm missing something, we don't actually document or recommend how to validate that a token matches an Initial. I think we should. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2125 ----==_mimepart_5c111f0523bd4_5d0a3fa2f42d45c0457c3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 
There is no need for a single well-defined format for the token because the
server that generates the token also consumes it.  A token could include
information about the claimed client address (IP and port), a timestamp, and any
other supplementary information the server will need to validate the token in
the future.

Unless I'm missing something, we don't actually document or recommend how to validate that a token matches an Initial. I think we should.

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I doubt this is feasible in our current architecture. It would effect= ively require the server not only to have multiple addresses from the cli= ent's perspective, but require the server to have addresses that it can't= tell the client about because they're local to the client (NAT64). I su= spect the best we'll get for v1 is that migration fails, but the client s= uccessfully opens a new connection.

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This sounds much more like a variant of full multipath, which is already explicitly out-of-scope for v1.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1627,7 +1627,7 @@ interface.  A client needs to start the connection process over if it migrates
 prior to completing the handshake.
 
 When a server receives an Initial packet with an address validation token, it
-SHOULD attempt to validate it, unless it has already completed address
+MUST attempt to validate it, unless it has already completed address

MUST implies that it must fail if it cannot validate. During server cluster upgrades that might not be feasible. It could lead to consistent connection failures as long at the client has a token to try. It is in the servers interest to generally attempt validation so SHOULD seems reasonable to me.

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Although not strictly related to this problem, there are also concerns about DNS query privacy and host name exposure in TLS handshake. So a version x might look into the broader DNS / cert auth problem along with multiple server paths.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 * The total increase in ECT(0), ECT(1), and CE counters reported in the ACK
   frame MUST be at least the total number of QUIC packets newly acknowledged in
-  this ACK frame.
+  this ACK frame. This detects if the network changes ECT(0), ECT(1) or CE to
+  Not-ECT.
+
+If the sender does not have state to determine if a particular packet number is
+newly acknowledged or not, then the comparison SHOULD NOT be performed. By the

Is this really a SHOULD NOT? If the sender doesn't have that state, it CANNOT perform that check. That's not a 2119 keyword, unfortunately :-)

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The issue is making existing deployments work with the clients. For now most server deployments are IPv4 only or Dual stack. If servers are IPv4 only, they can remain IPv4 and a client side solution can work even when one interface has IPv4 only and the other one has IPv6 only connectivity. For servers that are IPv4 only servers, one could begin on WiFi and then synthesize IPv6 address when WiFi goes away and the connection is being migrated to cellular with IPv6 only NAT64/DNS64 connectivity. For the other way around, if one gets synthesized AAAA from DNS64, one could try and parse out the last 32 bits and attempt a connection over WiFi with v4 only configuration. === The problem that needs more than just client side work-around is for making things work with dual stack sever deployments which I would become more and more common going forward. "but require the server to have addresses that it can't tell the client about because they're local to the client (NAT64)." I didn't get this. 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"It would effectively require the server not only to have multiple addre= sses from the client's perspective"

Not necessarily. The issue is making existing deployments work with the = clients.
For now most server deployments are IPv4 only or Dual stack.
If servers are IPv4 only, they can remain IPv4 and a client side solution c= an work even when one interface has IPv4 only and the other one has IPv6 on= ly connectivity.

For servers that are IPv4 only servers, one could begin on WiFi and then= synthesize IPv6 address when WiFi goes away and the connection is being mi= grated to cellular with IPv6 only NAT64/DNS64 connectivity.
For the other way around, if one gets synthesized AAAA from DNS64, one coul= d try and parse out the last 32 bits and attempt a connection over WiFi wit= h v4 only configuration.

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The problem that needs more than just client side work-around is for mak= ing things work with dual stack sever deployments which I would become more= and more common going forward.

"but require the server to have addresses that it can't tell the client = about because they're local to the client (NAT64)."

I didn't get this. Can you please elaborate? Server must only communicat= e their public addresses that are global in scope.

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Although not strictly related to this problem, there are also concerns a= bout DNS query privacy and host name exposure in TLS handshake. So a versio= n x might look into the broader DNS / cert auth problem along with multiple= server paths.

I was implying these frames to be sent post handshake, encrypted and pro= tected and not exposing anything in the TLS handshake itself.

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This sounds much more like a variant of full multipath
This is only about sharing endpoint information. The use could be limited to connection migration if the endpoints don't support full fledged multi-path.

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----==_mimepart_5c1123d87739a_1fa3fcbf2ad45b4255463-- From nobody Wed Dec 12 07:08:13 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 209FA127333 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 07:08:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.056 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.056 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WXDImy5dv9VZ for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 07:08:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 635B3127133 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 07:08:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 07:08:08 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544627288; bh=miomJ4WnIxKxeQTPII8xAl6RT0ucYdY21Nr/E7DSA88=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=LzdwhBmXGEx71eksEdut35jiGbFXfqVrlAWGExEItAGKTZ8Sxh5kdO015NF4YgTrr p1iaHjHQl9hn74Ivyj74wJCNFks1EbUBMkv11yVpcPbo/1BenOcvb7vHcX+dzP1Bk1 6DyY6y7isNmRRWCy5+y3swRpsryGHMY8jlHIrWa4= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Document what needs to be checked for address validation (#2125) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c112458747b8_5adb3faad62d45b8130380"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 15:08:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c112458747b8_5adb3faad62d45b8130380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm wondering about the case where a token is received and has expired and is otherwise valid. There are several cases: 1. injection attack - replay etc. 2. valid token 3. valid token, but expired, based on servers internal algorithm 4. invalid token, fails servers integrity check Sometimes it makes sense to close a connection, other times it might be more reasonable to ignore the token and force validation within the connection? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2125#issuecomment-446620335 ----==_mimepart_5c112458747b8_5adb3faad62d45b8130380 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm wondering about the case where a token is received and has expired= and is otherwise valid.

There are several cases:

  1. injection attack - replay etc.
  2. valid token
  3. valid token, but expired, based on servers internal algorithm
  4. invalid token, fails servers integrity check

Sometimes it makes sense to close a connection, other times it might b= e more reasonable to ignore the token and force validation within the con= nection?

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= ----==_mimepart_5c112458747b8_5adb3faad62d45b8130380-- From nobody Wed Dec 12 07:11:10 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C42921271FF for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 07:11:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.056 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.056 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C7wd6QbG6gvc for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 07:11:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63ED1127133 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 07:11:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 07:11:01 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544627461; bh=+/WUcWnmbCXuNdtGrYol9ocVpIgiHdd3/cfcjNfYGV8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=PKOHbMbH5cdXfLAK/HVP/aCa9pYKwT0bPr2jS68GI7P44uVXZ0aaDwky3OJTqeK7U 5LiDqF547lEynh2bAQ9hBw0tZBtxtvANHGUY3fPSWgshnbk42YEGBziX0MK+jeB2Qv ZhkqbqsvvoDLAAMOnqNRrqWPKDy6Fqr7hwiYhEVI= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QUIC connection migration and IPv6 only NAT64/DNS64 Networks (#2122) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c11250567057_13653fccc52d45c022011e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 15:11:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c11250567057_13653fccc52d45c022011e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I was implying these frames to be sent post handshake, encrypted and protected and not exposing anything in the TLS handshake itself. Not arguing on that, just suggesting that address lookup can have a much broader scope and when a single QUIC endpoint starts acting a bit like a DNS perhaps that scope should be taken into account. But certainly not for v1. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2122#issuecomment-446621471 ----==_mimepart_5c11250567057_13653fccc52d45c022011e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I was implying these frames to be sent post handshake, encrypted and p= rotected and not exposing anything in the TLS handshake itself.

Not arguing on that, just suggesting that address lookup can have a mu= ch broader scope and when a single QUIC endpoint starts acting a bit like= a DNS perhaps that scope should be taken into account. But certainly not= for v1.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c11250567057_13653fccc52d45c022011e-- From nobody Wed Dec 12 07:19:50 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36016127133 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 07:19:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.056 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.056 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1q4l5rWNpUhf for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 07:19:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 554031252B7 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 07:19:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 07:19:46 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544627986; bh=1xScbnk79wBh0JG466UACLyefF+Z9tYbdkZm2tSmxlE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=bLA9cacwED/7LhWIgzRq7StS4IUwJlIQbUy8CrnxuAeCEZK9yPiq+H0y6HEq3bSgL 3yaHBIGPP042FcJ2fdKI+sVKhFgIQJ8BGY/fem3vjYPK9uRqNeUDQ8TXcxqQenYfX+ dLly9Lr6tS4ZPc8KBvW4524KZyq7EFMlOeW8mGbE= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QUIC connection migration and IPv6 only NAT64/DNS64 Networks (#2122) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c1127121e197_46ab3fbc0fcd45b43765d3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 15:19:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c1127121e197_46ab3fbc0fcd45b43765d3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Note that generally an endpoint does not know its own public address because it can sit behind load balancers and multiple layers of NAT devices. So having the endpoint publish alternative addresses will not the solve the problem in general. In fact the scenario could be reformulated to load balancer on multiple stacks instead of the server endpoint. You end up needing some DNS service that can deal with it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2122#issuecomment-446624696 ----==_mimepart_5c1127121e197_46ab3fbc0fcd45b43765d3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Note that generally an endpoint does not know its own public address b= ecause it can sit behind load balancers and multiple layers of NAT device= s. So having the endpoint publish alternative addresses will not the solv= e the problem in general.

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It is better to state it explicitly when PRIORITY frame carried on a request stream is to be ignored. This replaces the "takes precedence" language originated in PR #2075.

In addition, I removed the "subsequent" qualifier: the same logic applies to PRIORITY frames sent on the control stream before the request stream is created.

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@gloinul commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 * The total increase in ECT(0), ECT(1), and CE counters reported in the ACK
   frame MUST be at least the total number of QUIC packets newly acknowledged in
-  this ACK frame.
+  this ACK frame. This detects if the network changes ECT(0), ECT(1) or CE to
+  Not-ECT.
+
+If the sender does not have state to determine if a particular packet number is
+newly acknowledged or not, then the comparison SHOULD NOT be performed. By the

Okay, I will rewrite this as non 2119 terms basically stating to not perform the comparison.

It is a bit like the formulation in RFC 3550:
"Note that if R is zero, the
percentage of senders is never greater than S/(S+R), and the
implementation must avoid division by zero."

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@ekr commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1627,7 +1627,7 @@ interface.  A client needs to start the connection process over if it migrates
 prior to completing the handshake.
 
 When a server receives an Initial packet with an address validation token, it
-SHOULD attempt to validate it, unless it has already completed address
+MUST attempt to validate it, unless it has already completed address

No that's not correct. The next sentence describes how to handle failures.

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echoing the data contained in the PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame.
However, because a PATH_CHALLENGE might be sent from a spoofed address, an
endpoint MUST limit the rate at which it sends PATH_RESPONSE frames and MAY
silently discard PATH_CHALLENGE frames that would cause it to respond at a
higher rate.

It's pretty hard to understand what the normative force of this is, given that it doesn't explain what the limit is. I think there's actually a simple rule we should propose, which is one PATH_CHALLENGE frame per packet (with others to be ignored). Given that we require duplicate suppression at the packet level, that will have an amplification factor of 1:1, which you can get by a variety of other mechanisms.

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----==_mimepart_5c1139ccc066a_689c3fdf18cd45c41542639-- From nobody Wed Dec 12 08:41:45 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98BD7130EAE for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 08:41:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.914 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.914 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rbOwkEPf5QsI for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 08:41:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D142E130E1A for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 08:41:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=DX69V94MvcF7qWIOj4U/IiwLFdE=; b=PZWsG12Tz9FdHwKB tlzSFDSLKMkjkiE82py0PY8+N17s4RK4h+hQHIk1ZJcvcIei83TdxLt/ThNgLTmd DE1rre/eUdF+5+vGCJFAzo8AIOw8GPauxKRvQmiD3gmxdcltrl9maWC3gGRjJ4uZ N31pjTrA2r33ZXHwA5hSga5nKiY= Received: by filter0499p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0499p1iad2-29437-5C113A44-28 2018-12-12 16:41:40.639257858 +0000 UTC m=+148523.878627787 Received: from github-lowworker-dcd58f3.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.33]) by ismtpd0009p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id NFXxt0E1SiWEIqDEiitatQ for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 16:41:40.598 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-dcd58f3.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83A62240328 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 08:41:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 16:41:40 +0000 (UTC) From: plakhera Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QUIC connection migration and IPv6 only NAT64/DNS64 Networks (#2122) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c113a4482064_4043fe82ded45b84751b9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: plakhera X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3kD7Wc06680PpT7lUUKtJ7Wz3joAM7DPFe0c sDZJHHK3+din0d4aS9vSV/wTGfgWZcX4RtkOIIO+xDDJk3SRhKczUr+QfyQqP+Z+AOBLvjZdO9xf4S qwo4vddAT6t3EN/TBYARlzIgiDU4QURy0es4jfM1JKL6YxUUrt4ChEo1/pV7k1f0U8eyhPbXMcNTxx Y= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 16:41:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c113a4482064_4043fe82ded45b84751b9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I see the point about load-balancers and NATs. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2122#issuecomment-446655676 ----==_mimepart_5c113a4482064_4043fe82ded45b84751b9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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----==_mimepart_5c113a4482064_4043fe82ded45b84751b9-- From nobody Wed Dec 12 08:48:07 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A7DA12F1A5 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 08:48:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XkVxXrZFdavL for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 08:48:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 040BC128D09 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 08:48:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 08:48:02 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544633282; bh=JdOhNX1vVPMSj8CILyw6Nctb6d1jy9hJvvl42ZjxYpI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=LSHlfdrw0d47iCMZxdV5UyTkdSA8xzF6yjWG1ZDPqww0RbLkYgS+Vz6LxFbFCU0wH de8f2qTrfWOb6JQCU8aaOc7R2xgMQBN2P/vSp8Tcai6nr5TjVlzj5pgp/Ao1Jz+ReY 4KYyGaTJ+rFPmjZwGCCfyBxSkI0gvdnu7mPDlB2Q= From: Magnus Westerlund Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Fix to ECN section regarding validation (#2113) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c113bc23da78_37623f8d8fed45c01000415"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gloinul X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 16:48:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c113bc23da78_37623f8d8fed45c01000415 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Benjamin Saunders did point out that if one have ACKs with none overlapping ACK ranges and they get reordered there is still an issue with performing the comparison in some cases. Example: Receiver sent: ACK:1 PN:1,2,3,4 ECT(0)=4, ECT(1)=0, CE=0 ACK:2 PN:5,6,7,8 ECT(0)=8, ECT(1)=0, CE=0 ACK:3 PN:9,10,11 ECT(0)=11, ECT(1)=0, CE=0 Sender receives: ACK:1 PN:1,2,3,4 ECT(0)=4, ECT(1)=0, CE=0 ACK:3 PN:9,10,11 ECT(0)=11, ECT(1)=0, CE=0 ACK:2 PN:5,6,7,8 ECT(0)=8, ECT(1)=0, CE=0 Local Reference Counters: 0,0,0 1: Comparison ECT(0)_diff=4, Newly ACKed=4 (with ECT(0)) OK Local Reference Counters: 4,0,0 3: Verification ECT(0)_diff=7, Newly ACKEd=3 Local Reference Counters: 7,0,0 (Based on ACKed packets) Local Reference Counters: 11,0,0 (Latest Received ACK) 2: Verification ECT(0)_diff=1 or -3 (Based on ACKed, vs Latest Received). Newly ACKed=4 Comparison fails if run. So the question is how to deal with this. From my perspective there are multiple implementation strategies that could solve this. So my question is should we mandate any particular or simply try to illustrate the issue. I think the most straight forward and which I don't so far sees any flaws with are: - Don't perform verification with ACK frames that on arrivial is not highest PN seen. Opinions? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2113#issuecomment-446658001 ----==_mimepart_5c113bc23da78_37623f8d8fed45c01000415 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Benjamin Saunders did point out that if one have ACKs with none overla= pping ACK ranges and they get reordered there is still an issue with perf= orming the comparison in some cases. Example:

Receiver sent:
ACK:1 PN:1,2,3,4 ECT(0)=3D4, ECT(1)=3D0, CE=3D0
ACK:2 PN:5,6,7,8 ECT(0)=3D8, ECT(1)=3D0, CE=3D0
ACK:3 PN:9,10,11 ECT(0)=3D11, ECT(1)=3D0, CE=3D0

Sender receives:
ACK:1 PN:1,2,3,4 ECT(0)=3D4, ECT(1)=3D0, CE=3D0
ACK:3 PN:9,10,11 ECT(0)=3D11, ECT(1)=3D0, CE=3D0
ACK:2 PN:5,6,7,8 ECT(0)=3D8, ECT(1)=3D0, CE=3D0

Local Reference Counters: 0,0,0
1: Comparison ECT(0)_diff=3D4, Newly ACKed=3D4 (with ECT(0)) OK
Local Reference Counters: 4,0,0
3: Verification ECT(0)_diff=3D7, Newly ACKEd=3D3
Local Reference Counters: 7,0,0 (Based on ACKed packets)
Local Reference Counters: 11,0,0 (Latest Received ACK)

2: Verification ECT(0)_diff=3D1 or -3 (Based on ACKed, vs Latest Recei= ved).
Newly ACKed=3D4
Comparison fails if run.

So the question is how to deal with this. From my perspective there ar= e multiple implementation strategies that could solve this. So my questio= n is should we mandate any particular or simply try to illustrate the iss= ue. I think the most straight forward and which I don't so far sees any f= laws with are:

  • Don't perform verification with ACK frames that on arrivial is not hi= ghest PN seen.

Opinions?

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Endpoints SHOULD abandon path validation based on a timer. When setting this
timer, implementations are cautioned that the new path could have a longer
round-trip time than the original.  A value of three times the current
Retransmittion Timeout (RTO) as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}} is RECOMMENDED.

We should probably give some guidance about the size of this timer, maybe matching whatever guidance we give for Initial retransmit

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S 9.3. says:

After changing the address to which it sends non-probing packets, an endpoint
could abandon any path validation for other addresses.

And 9.3.2. says:

Note that receipt of packets with higher packet numbers from the legitimate peer
address will trigger another connection migration.  This will cause the
validation of the address of the spurious migration to be abandoned.

Which one of these is right?

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----==_mimepart_5c113efab5ea1_49863f96f44d45c086545-- From nobody Wed Dec 12 09:13:13 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29F4E130F39 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 09:13:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.459 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.459 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mIAh-5dMCizG for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 09:13:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3DA34130F28 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 09:13:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 09:13:03 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544634783; bh=3v7LC5DbUOpSLUz8kgjfsuiWJB1uisnpUr9tSVBMLj0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=l1zE+uuygjcQ4ZsSSDcyICW7EQlRkxrtagi1SZedEGosamLfTrXvocrTcytnAwitQ ylZmTXI1I2/fyJLuD3lpeVIxAxE7LwVktTDg7sp0XF6cdQsV57fshiDPAHTZJpmC0B AFeO58x4wgh3qsScZrLTlSgVwTNqeT/HChmmIxq0= From: Christoph Paasch Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QUIC connection migration and IPv6 only NAT64/DNS64 Networks (#2122) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c11419f2d5e5_be03fdeeead45b4275125"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: cpaasch X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 17:13:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c11419f2d5e5_be03fdeeead45b4275125 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree that having a way for the server to signal its IP-addresses to the client is very important. Even in the v1 of Quic. Otherwise, Quic migration will hardly be effective. To easily deploy Quic behind a load-balancer one simply assigns unicast IPs to the servers and lets Quic announce these (v4 and v6) IPs to the client as "preferred address". Then the client can migrate by using the preferred address. There needs to be a way to announce the preferred address in both v4 *and* v6. This should address Scenario 1 and Scenario 2 that @plakhera is describing. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2122#issuecomment-446667137 ----==_mimepart_5c11419f2d5e5_be03fdeeead45b4275125 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I agree that having a way for the server to signal its IP-addresses to= the client is very important. Even in the v1 of Quic.

Otherwise, Quic migration will hardly be effective.

To easily deploy Quic behind a load-balancer one simply assigns unicas= t IPs to the servers and lets Quic announce these (v4 and v6) IPs to the = client as "preferred address". Then the client can migrate by using the p= referred address. There needs to be a way to announce the preferred addre= ss in both v4 and v6.

This should address Scenario 1 and Scenario 2 that @plakhera is describing.

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@Ralith commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 * The total increase in ECT(0), ECT(1), and CE counters reported in the ACK
   frame MUST be at least the total number of QUIC packets newly acknowledged in
-  this ACK frame.
+  this ACK frame. Detects if the network remark ECT(0), ECT(1) or CE to
+  Not-ECT.
+
+If a sender receives an ACK that contains no new acknowledgments, for example
+due to reordering of the ACKs, then ECN counter comparison SHOULD NOT be
+performed. Also if sender do not have state to determine if a particular PSN
+is newly acknowledge or not, then the comparison SHOULD NOT be performed.

This reads to me like the comparison of the new ECN block to the local reference (i.e. the verification procedure) should not be performed if the ACK acknowledges any packets which are outside the window and hence are not guaranteed not to be new acknowledgements. Should it instead indicate that such an acknowledgement should not be counted towards new acknowledgements?

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So now there is a proposal for how resolve Benjamin's comment. Please review.

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That addresses the issue, thanks!

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I'm fine with the removal of the "However," but I'm not convinced the other two are improvements. > @@ -1079,9 +1079,9 @@ priority. ### Placeholders In HTTP/2, certain implementations used closed or unused streams as placeholders -in describing the relative priority of requests. However, this created -confusion as servers could not reliably identify which elements of the priority -tree could safely be discarded. Clients could potentially reference closed +in describing the relative priority of requests. This created +confusion as servers could not identify reliably which elements of the priority I think this is placed correctly, and I feel like the change reads awkwardly. > @@ -1079,9 +1079,9 @@ priority. ### Placeholders In HTTP/2, certain implementations used closed or unused streams as placeholders -in describing the relative priority of requests. However, this created -confusion as servers could not reliably identify which elements of the priority -tree could safely be discarded. Clients could potentially reference closed +in describing the relative priority of requests. This created +confusion as servers could not identify reliably which elements of the priority +tree could be safely discarded. Clients could potentially reference closed I think you're right that this ought to move, but I think "could be discarded safely" reads better than either. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2127#pullrequestreview-184306313 ----==_mimepart_5c11484be73c7_2a513f8ee9ad45b424476a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@MikeBishop commented on this pull request.

I'm fine with the removal of the "However," but I'm not convinced the other two are improvements.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1079,9 +1079,9 @@ priority.
 ### Placeholders
 
 In HTTP/2, certain implementations used closed or unused streams as placeholders
-in describing the relative priority of requests.  However, this created
-confusion as servers could not reliably identify which elements of the priority
-tree could safely be discarded. Clients could potentially reference closed
+in describing the relative priority of requests.  This created
+confusion as servers could not identify reliably which elements of the priority

I think this is placed correctly, and I feel like the change reads awkwardly.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1079,9 +1079,9 @@ priority.
 ### Placeholders
 
 In HTTP/2, certain implementations used closed or unused streams as placeholders
-in describing the relative priority of requests.  However, this created
-confusion as servers could not reliably identify which elements of the priority
-tree could safely be discarded. Clients could potentially reference closed
+in describing the relative priority of requests.  This created
+confusion as servers could not identify reliably which elements of the priority
+tree could be safely discarded. Clients could potentially reference closed

I think you're right that this ought to move, but I think "could be discarded safely" reads better than either.

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To easily deploy Quic behind a load-balancer one simply assigns unicas= t IPs to the servers and lets Quic announce these (v4 and v6) IPs to the = client as "preferred address".

There is nothing easy about assigning IPs. It can be a lot more manage= able to update a DNS entry than to updating all server endpoints in clust= er, but it obviously depends on use case and environment.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c1148d7c785c_234d3fc93d2d45c414176e-- From nobody Wed Dec 12 09:45:27 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E36EC130E51 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 09:45:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.056 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.056 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HnwVSbzhTKdC for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 09:45:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 183F21277BB for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 09:45:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 09:45:22 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544636722; bh=d4rs4EMu0Ama10OjS1u1VhNF9ZQ9OSFeT2fpH2kZJK0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=zu22bymhyNzXfrFSg7Qg5S//8FUIvb/Rrdih2zCNlUlCN6dA8Q++8wt/8bMObViD8 at9xWetmn9Rv8lfB3QRvA6PJQR7SyKUxO78fefJC7xTc89vdkPjzijMq4XnaJaojax GLSrCtAEgo9WwWE6WHKxEOlQUeNAlRY9l9PpJvWo= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Strengthen 2119 language around tokens. (#2124) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c11493241714_62303fa7e44d45c4175457"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 17:45:25 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c11493241714_62303fa7e44d45c4175457 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MikeBishop commented on this pull request. > @@ -1627,7 +1627,7 @@ interface. A client needs to start the connection process over if it migrates prior to completing the handshake. When a server receives an Initial packet with an address validation token, it -SHOULD attempt to validate it, unless it has already completed address +MUST attempt to validate it, unless it has already completed address Let's go back to 2119 definitions: Are there situations in which a server might choose not to validate? Will a failure to validate cause an interoperability problem? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2124#discussion_r241117036 ----==_mimepart_5c11493241714_62303fa7e44d45c4175457 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1627,7 +1627,7 @@ interface.  A client needs to start the connection process over if it migrates
 prior to completing the handshake.
 
 When a server receives an Initial packet with an address validation token, it
-SHOULD attempt to validate it, unless it has already completed address
+MUST attempt to validate it, unless it has already completed address

Let's go back to 2119 definitions: Are there situations in which a server might choose not to validate? Will a failure to validate cause an interoperability problem?

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----==_mimepart_5c11493241714_62303fa7e44d45c4175457-- From nobody Wed Dec 12 09:48:45 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 011271288EB for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 09:48:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.842 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.842 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YAD98ADcz9Xx for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 09:48:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-15.smtp.github.com (out-15.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 44EB4131175 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 09:48:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 09:48:27 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544636921; bh=VnNDl+KCJ5ACx5d7fmsk5bfrLpqcNiBP7d0LKsZ2RY0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=jfeu3X9Yd2YE/gMbzqZekWwP9KoH1ZqUW0R1Tf7sjYu7BCVlWdX9IJvw7871a9Elv Iq9jZF/Qu88qhO+/IDdK64PJSVCx393qcMzLKbq8lJDIPSVQ381Co5akOcik772uvN 4xRM+18+K+5VizVFfrREKEqeDDm4fM8p/U1W4RsU= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handling failed migration (#2131) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c1149eb9f0e_b023fd0460d45c017307f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 17:48:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c1149eb9f0e_b023fd0460d45c017307f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not seeing the conflict -- they seem to work in concern. Can you explain the failure mode in more detail? In what circumstance do these instruct the server to do contradictory things? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2131#issuecomment-446679047 ----==_mimepart_5c1149eb9f0e_b023fd0460d45c017307f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'm not seeing the conflict -- they seem to work in concern. Can you explain the failure mode in more detail? In what circumstance do these instruct the server to do contradictory things?

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When receiving a token during handshake, several scenarios are possible following the same overall pattern even when the implementation and deployment decides the algorithmic and encoding details.

  1. injection attack - replay etc.
  2. valid token
  3. valid token, but expired, based on servers internal algorithm
  4. invalid token, fails servers integrity check

It would be helpful with guidance on how to approach these scenarios.

A token might be valid but timed out because there is an embedded timestamp, but it could also be because the server farm is being upgraded and new instances cannot validate old tokens thus potentially allowing a grace period where they ignore tokens they can verify at all.

Attacks are not trivially known to be attacks, or they wouldn't be attacks, but their existence affect how safe it is to reject a token with a closed connection vs ignoring the token. #2097 discusses injection attacks.

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----==_mimepart_5c114c46d8b6d_aec3fd0460d45c040056e-- From nobody Wed Dec 12 10:35:57 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A6771311F4 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 10:35:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JZrFo9WPUK-K for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 10:35:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A1A81311F2 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 10:35:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 10:35:53 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544639753; bh=WM2i0ZGrsZnNvYE8XjE5ecmOY47xIgo2U9T9NBsFrOQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=DnRflI2mMgA9UseCSqSBlrBgM0eqVkxxqgN8WlRshgCrKqiNWSvtK0dB7wHMP+hXh 4u8PUO1Ujcgdn3wPFfBDVp1H2rJKkCUNSyDBPTNJjG3Kq82jxMl8Q7KgCtoozpNCgc PjLqOMgvD6AeLpQcBOZa1AIqw377IKUDDLFVd2LI= From: Igor Lubashev Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Endpoints MAY (not SHOULD) ignore IPv4 ICMP PTB messages (#2109) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c11550933ba2_74643fd6242d45bc143748"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: igorlord X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 18:35:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c11550933ba2_74643fd6242d45bc143748 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DPLPMTUD is not a requirement for all QUIC implementations. The SHOULD in question is written as a requirement for all. Looking at DPLPMTUD, however, I am realizing that it is possible that the question is moot. DPLPMTUD draft (#3.4) considers doing anything at all (like simply matching to an existing connection using IP addresses) sufficient for validation (it says that doing more for validation is a SHOULD, implying that just matching IPs is still acceptable). Since doing anything less is impractical when processing PTB messages, any implementation that uses PTB messages is implicitly validating them. If so, I'd be happy with some text making it explicit that just matching on IPs and, maybe, UDP ports is sufficient to consider PTB validated. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2109#issuecomment-446695165 ----==_mimepart_5c11550933ba2_74643fd6242d45bc143748 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

DPLPMTUD is not a requirement for all QUIC implementations. The SHOUL= D in question is written as a requirement for all.

Looking at DPLPMTUD, however, I am realizing that it is possible that = the question is moot. DPLPMTUD draft (#3.4) considers doing anything a= t all (like simply matching to an existing connection using IP addresses)= sufficient for validation (it says that doing more for validation is a S= HOULD, implying that just matching IPs is still acceptable). Since doing= anything less is impractical when processing PTB messages, any implement= ation that uses PTB messages is implicitly validating them. If so, I'd b= e happy with some text making it explicit that just matching on IPs and, = maybe, UDP ports is sufficient to consider PTB validated.

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The first paragraph says that you could abandon validation and the other says that you will abandon it. If you could abandon it, then you also are allowed no to,

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(#2115) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c11670477d8c_bd43f9df48d45c484783"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: bencebeky X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 19:52:43 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c11670477d8c_bd43f9df48d45c484783 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Martin, I think that's a great option. Please help me with the nomenclature here. There are three distinct quantities at play: A: The sum of the size of the entries in the dynamic table. B: The amount of memory the decoder is required for dynamic table entries. Oldest entries that do not fit in B will be evicted. This quantity can be changed unilaterally by the encoder as long as it does not exceed C. C: Hard limit on B. In HTTP/3, this is set by the decoder via SETTINGS_HEADER_TABLE_SIZE. All three quantities have to be discussed in the spec, and a compliant optimal decoder needs to keep track of all three of them. Therefore I feel strongly that they need consistent and distinct names (or phrases) for them. Currently the spec consistently uses "(dynamic) table size" for A (for example, first sentence of 3.2.2) and "maximum (dynamic) table size" or "maximum size of the dynamic table" for C (for example, when calculating MaxEntries or in 4.4.3 when talking about omitting stream cancellations). For B, the spec sometimes uses "table size", sometimes "maximum table size", sometimes within the same section, like 4.3.4. What I drafted up was A: "table size", B: "Maximum Table Size", C: "limit on Maximum Table Size". Another option you are proposing, if I understand you correctly, is B: "table size", C: "maximum table size". Then we need to find something for A, like "table load" or "table utilization" or "table memory footprint", or just write out "sum of size of entries" every time. I'm fine with that. A third option could be A: "table size" (which I think is the conventional meaning of "size"); C: "maximum table size", and find something for B, like "table capacity". I do not have a strong opinion on any of these names, as long as the text is clean and unambiguous. Please tell me what your preference is. Thanks. As for the reordering of large chunks of text, sorry for mixing that in with this PR. I'll draft a separate PR for that and rebase this one on that. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Hi Martin, I think that's a great option. Please help me with the nom= enclature here. There are three distinct quantities at play:

A: The sum of the size of the entries in the dynamic table.

B: The amount of memory the decoder is required for dynamic table entr= ies. Oldest entries that do not fit in B will be evicted. This quantity= can be changed unilaterally by the encoder as long as it does not exceed= C.

C: Hard limit on B. In HTTP/3, this is set by the decoder via SETTING= S_HEADER_TABLE_SIZE.

All three quantities have to be discussed in the spec, and a compliant= optimal decoder needs to keep track of all three of them. Therefore I f= eel strongly that they need consistent and distinct names (or phrases) fo= r them.

Currently the spec consistently uses "(dynamic) table size" for A (for= example, first sentence of 3.2.2) and "maximum (dynamic) table size" or = "maximum size of the dynamic table" for C (for example, when calculating = MaxEntries or in 4.4.3 when talking about omitting stream cancellations).= For B, the spec sometimes uses "table size", sometimes "maximum table s= ize", sometimes within the same section, like 4.3.4.

What I drafted up was A: "table size", B: "Maximum Table Size", C: "li= mit on Maximum Table Size". Another option you are proposing, if I under= stand you correctly, is B: "table size", C: "maximum table size". Then w= e need to find something for A, like "table load" or "table utilization" = or "table memory footprint", or just write out "sum of size of entries" e= very time. I'm fine with that.

A third option could be A: "table size" (which I think is the conventi= onal meaning of "size"); C: "maximum table size", and find something for = B, like "table capacity".

I do not have a strong opinion on any of these names, as long as the t= ext is clean and unambiguous. Please tell me what your preference is. T= hanks.

As for the reordering of large chunks of text, sorry for mixing that i= n with this PR. I'll draft a separate PR for that and rebase this one on= that.

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The TL;DR version of this is that instead of having the client send any version and the server correct it, the client offers a list of versions and the server picks one. This makes things a lot simpler at the cost of some unnecessary flexibility. DETAILS The basic insight is that the current VN process is complicated because it's got an axis of flexibility we don't need, namely allowing the client to send an Initial packet with no idea whatsoever of what the server supports. This means that you have to be able to have the server blindly generate a VN no matter what the client sends, which has the following negative consequences: - It burns up a round trip if the client's initial version is not the one the server wants, even if the client and server are basically compatible. - We want it to be stateless, so we have this clumsy validation procedure. What I propose is a simpler approach, which is pretty much what all other other IETF protocols that do version negotiation do: - The client sends an Initial packet using a version which is acceptable to every server for a given application (e.g., Web, e-mail, etc.). This packet contains a list of the versions the client supports. - The server responds with its preferred version out of this list. - If the client's Initial packet is totally incomprehensible to the server, then you get a hard failure (and we repurpose and simplify VN for this). This has the following advantages: - All version negotiation happens in one round trip. - Negotiation validation is mostly a matter of checking that the server-selected version is acceptable [0]. The main cost is that the client needs to be able to safely send an Initial that can be read by the server, which means that it needs to agree with the server on Initial format, though this can span multiple QUIC versions. Importantly, this doesn't preclude having totally incompatible versions of QUIC (e.g., with a different CRYPTO handshake). You can obviously have two disjoint sets of clients and servers that support QUIC X and QUIC Y. Additionally, the case where you have a server which supports A and B and clients which either support A or B works fine. The client's version appears in the header and the server can demux on that. So, it's not like we're promising that every version of QUIC has the same CRYPTO values, just that the client knows enough about the server to know an Initial format it will accept. What won't work is where the client has no knowledge of the server's capabilities at all, specifically where (a) the client supports incompatible versions A and B and (b) the server might support only A or only B and the client doesn't know which one. It's not clear how this could happen in practice; it's like the client wanting to speak either TLS or SSH and not knowing which one the server speaks [1]. [0] You also want to put the server's selected version in the crypto handshake, so you need to check that the inner and outer versions match. [1] If we ever did want this, we could always design it as an extension later, presumably cribbing from the current VN design. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2133 -- Commit Summary -- * Refactor * Versions * Version error * Add vesions back to VE * Remove VN from recovery * Remove version list from VE -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (12) M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (309) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2133.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2133.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Following the discussions in BKK I've been thinking about version
negotiation a bit, and I think we can improve things while also
simplifying them. The TL;DR version of this is that instead of having
the client send any version and the server correct it, the client
offers a list of versions and the server picks one. This makes
things a lot simpler at the cost of some unnecessary flexibility.

DETAILS
The basic insight is that the current VN process is complicated
because it's got an axis of flexibility we don't need, namely allowing
the client to send an Initial packet with no idea whatsoever of what
the server supports. This means that you have to be able to have the
server blindly generate a VN no matter what the client sends, which
has the following negative consequences:

  • It burns up a round trip if the client's initial version is not
    the one the server wants, even if the client and server are
    basically compatible.

  • We want it to be stateless, so we have this clumsy validation
    procedure.

What I propose is a simpler approach, which is pretty much what
all other other IETF protocols that do version negotiation do:

  • The client sends an Initial packet using a version which is
    acceptable to every server for a given application (e.g., Web,
    e-mail, etc.). This packet contains a list of the versions
    the client supports.

  • The server responds with its preferred version out of this list.

  • If the client's Initial packet is totally incomprehensible to
    the server, then you get a hard failure (and we repurpose
    and simplify VN for this).

This has the following advantages:

  • All version negotiation happens in one round trip.

  • Negotiation validation is mostly a matter of checking that the
    server-selected version is acceptable [0].

The main cost is that the client needs to be able to safely send an
Initial that can be read by the server, which means that it needs to
agree with the server on Initial format, though this can span multiple
QUIC versions.

Importantly, this doesn't preclude having totally incompatible
versions of QUIC (e.g., with a different CRYPTO handshake). You can
obviously have two disjoint sets of clients and servers that support
QUIC X and QUIC Y. Additionally, the case where you have a server
which supports A and B and clients which either support A or B works
fine. The client's version appears in the header and the server can
demux on that. So, it's not like we're promising that every version of
QUIC has the same CRYPTO values, just that the client knows enough
about the server to know an Initial format it will accept.

What won't work is where the client has no knowledge of the server's
capabilities at all, specifically where (a) the client supports
incompatible versions A and B and (b) the server might support only A
or only B and the client doesn't know which one. It's not clear how
this could happen in practice; it's like the client wanting to speak
either TLS or SSH and not knowing which one the server speaks [1].

[0] You also want to put the server's selected version in the crypto
handshake, so you need to check that the inner and outer versions
match.

[1] If we ever did want this, we could always design it as an
extension later, presumably cribbing from the current VN design.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2133

Commit Summary

  • Refactor
  • Versions
  • Version error
  • Add vesions back to VE
  • Remove VN from recovery
  • Remove version list from VE

File Changes

Patch Links:

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Can you summarise how this differ from the previous failed attempt at this?

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This is a purely editorial PR reordering text. The first commit reorders paragraphs and adds a section title, the second commit reorders sentences and moves around paragraph boundaries, the third commit is some clarification of text.

This PR does not at all address the issue I raised at #2115 (comment).

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= ----==_mimepart_5c117ddf1b09f_15393f8ebdad45b81719f-- From nobody Wed Dec 12 14:15:03 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 059651312E1 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 14:15:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.459 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.459 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LKz41OfNCdkj for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 14:15:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1ADB41312E7 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 14:15:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 14:14:58 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544652898; bh=0ul5yy9O/R/qIjI4D4c67uxbzZgOZRUm8KiZoFafG2c=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ml18yEHOq2CUVFf0NIAbEQGLv1uEtgnmPV1+sFNZFqrRHhupwDxwTAY3321rBXtY/ l8eiqhlruDRzwllfMpkOOiaPS0X6fQFeXKNsiTKeBtwVqljqaRZ7WH6TypW8HCJe26 1Pu6rbXoNQAkQxfHu+j17uHdQWbGXz7dU5kkSMOg= From: David Schinazi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Simplify version negotiation (#2133) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c118862b3853_169c3fc7922d45bc6697b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DavidSchinazi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:15:02 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c118862b3853_169c3fc7922d45bc6697b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think this may be premature, for the same reasons as the previous proposal was. This will be useful once we start working on QUICv2, but by then odds are we will want to do version negotiation differently, for example to define how some QUICv1 features map to their QUICv2 counterparts. Once we know what that looks like, we'll be able to add you new client transport parameter as an extension. I don't think there's much value in saving one RTT between draft versions (which can be achieved via Alt-Svc) so I still think punting this to when we are closer to QUICv2 is best. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2133#issuecomment-446764639 ----==_mimepart_5c118862b3853_169c3fc7922d45bc6697b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think this may be premature, for the same reasons as the previous pr= oposal was. This will be useful once we start working on QUICv2, but by t= hen odds are we will want to do version negotiation differently, for exam= ple to define how some QUICv1 features map to their QUICv2 counterparts. = Once we know what that looks like, we'll be able to add you new client tr= ansport parameter as an extension. I don't think there's much value in sa= ving one RTT between draft versions (which can be achieved via Alt-Svc) s= o I still think punting this to when we are closer to QUICv2 is best.

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@DavidSchinazi the problem is that we already have a v= ersion negotiation mechanism that is much more complicated than this one,= and this is a net simplification. So, if your argument was that we shoul= d remove VN entirely, that would be different, but if we're going to have= some VN, then it might as well be a simpler one.

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The current VN mechanism has the property of being part of the protoco= l invariants, whereas the new one only works if the server can parse CRYP= TO frames and a TLS 1.3 client hello. Requiring all future versions to be= able to parse past versions' transport parameters does not sound simple = to me.

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I must say that I was not fond of the positive/negative list juggling in= the previous approach, and the potential for missing attack vectors or mak= ing implementation mistakses, but I also do find current vneg complex.

What is the thinking on downgrade attacks?

Consider babyalarm / widely deployed IoT device offering 3 versions A, B= , and C. Later it turns out version B is broken. Compromised MITM device pl= ays valid endpoint and selects version B. Real server cannot ignore version= B because MITM got in the way. Not sure the current state is much better o= n this account?

I good thing about client publishing versions is that a constrained devi= ce can offer versions in order of preference rather than conservatively cho= osing what is likely supported. Likewise an advanced client could prefer un= likely new version, but offer the common version also.

Resolving preferences becomes a bit more involved when the server also h= as a preference that is not necessarily aligned with the clients. For examp= le servers may prefer AES acceleration over a ChaCha only version (I know T= LS is also negotiating crypto - but why, really?).

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= ----==_mimepart_5c118d97ea72e_635c3fef786d45b4136478-- From nobody Wed Dec 12 14:38:21 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEB4D13130B for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 14:38:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.459 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.459 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ir86qRW-Jc7D for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 14:38:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E9E9A13130C for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 14:38:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 14:38:16 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544654296; bh=OPa6BiM3IzIdN35I3Mo6NYAY177ZQ6UiW7s6YIKccRo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=QXzyjTtKFvZA2/+7Pl7j0yP4I8EQfsLZwFfAFt4o1rJmzEncouFOMXnJMUk8oGTqs YpeWF8TZcGLd2q8VLzjvfEB9dRmYulzlNXMTEWWMy/pURymx2nGZ3q0S2bT0Lw1p7g +k3+1DL2+/k9Ggg2HbvtdP18JGJP03YxwXbO4TWg= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Simplify version negotiation (#2133) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c118dd84e71_7eab3fc4f40d45b415765e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:38:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c118dd84e71_7eab3fc4f40d45b415765e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This feels like doubling down on the previous idea of mutually-intelligible "compatible" versions -- now you're essentially saying that, while QUIC has stated invariants, there are walled gardens of version sets within those invariants which are all QUIC but are not straightforward to use together. That's trading potential implementation simplification for deployment and maintenance complexity, isn't it? I agree that this is a simplification by reducing an axis of movement. I remain unconvinced that we can guarantee all versions of QUIC used for a given scenario will be "compatible." -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2133#issuecomment-446770917 ----==_mimepart_5c118dd84e71_7eab3fc4f40d45b415765e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This feels like doubling down on the previous idea of mutually-intelli= gible "compatible" versions -- now you're essentially saying that, while = QUIC has stated invariants, there are walled gardens of version sets with= in those invariants which are all QUIC but are not straightforward to use= together. That's trading potential implementation simplification for de= ployment and maintenance complexity, isn't it?

I agree that this is a simplification by reducing an axis of movement.= I remain unconvinced that we can guarantee all versions of QUIC used fo= r a given scenario will be "compatible."

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= ----==_mimepart_5c118dd84e71_7eab3fc4f40d45b415765e-- From nobody Wed Dec 12 14:39:52 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D45513130B for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 14:39:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 917xtmLuG8qC for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 14:39:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 656A013130A for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 14:39:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 14:39:47 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544654387; bh=PUQIPXw8gkoEI6WYwXvNhDKftiw2BbSHI4KVBpU02as=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=rLOGTP6RO8epKo8qp8c1HeHdTFPGDe81C+wYgZRYrS+qEP/mxjFKqJ9o87f66GDil h98gWLlUEVKSt9eXQTJLyCKMIoCos7THwr8E3QzsEuoC6mM180+4f351mRYRK3XRNq 9Uyfa4i7iounOmHTuZU2k/CNp/BGddM7bNPfjLMg= From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Simplify version negotiation (#2133) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c118e3331419_44f43fb2366d45c04087c6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:39:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c118e3331419_44f43fb2366d45c04087c6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The current VN mechanism has the property of being part of the protocol > invariants, whereas the new one only works if the server can parse CRYPTO > frames and a TLS 1.3 client hello. Requiring all future versions to be able > to parse past versions' transport parameters does not sound simple to me. > As I said in my initial message, that's *not* the property that it requires. Rather, it requires that all versions that can inter-negotiate be able to parse each others parameters. It's quite possible with this design to have two entirely different lines of QUIC versions, one of which has CRYPTO frames and TLS 1.3, and one of has something entirely different. Can you describe a practical situation in which this would not be sufficient? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2133#issuecomment-446771319 ----==_mimepart_5c118e3331419_44f43fb2366d45c04087c6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > The current VN mechanism has the property of being part of the proto= col
> invariants, whereas the new one only works if the server can parse C= RYPTO
> frames and a TLS 1.3 client hello. Requiring all future versions to = be able
> to parse past versions' transport parameters does not sound simp= le to me.
>

As I said in my initial message, that's *not* the property that it requires. Rather, it requires that all versions that can inter-negotiate = be
able to parse each others parameters. It's quite possible with this d= esign
to have two entirely different lines of QUIC versions, one of which has CRYPTO frames and TLS 1.3, and one of has something entirely different. C= an
you describe a practical situation in which this would not be sufficient?=

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wrote:

> This feels like doubling down on the previous idea of
> mutually-intelligible "compatible" versions
>
Yes. My argument is that this is basically the situation we have had wit= h
every TCP-using protocol forever. Nobody thinks you can send an HTTP
request to a SSH server and have that work, but we do expect SSH clients<= br> and servers to be able to negotiate with each other despite some diversit= y
of versions.

-- now you're essentially saying that, while QUIC has stated invarian= ts,
> there are walled gardens of version sets within those invariants whi= ch are
> all QUIC but are not straightforward to use together.
>
I view the invariants as primarily for the benefit of intermediaries, not=
for the endpoints.


> That's trading potential implementation simplification for deplo= yment and
> maintenance complexity, isn't it?
>
> I agree that this is a simplification by reducing an axis of movemen= t. I
> remain unconvinced that we can guarantee all versions of QUIC used f= or a
> given scenario will be "compatible."
>

I have two answers to this:

1. The invariant you need to retain isn't that all versions are compa= tible
but that the client never has to guess whether to send an Initial of type= A
or B because the server might not understand A but might understand B (or=
vice versa). I've been trying to think of a non-hypothetical situatio= n in
which this might arise that can't be easily dealt with by retaining c= ompat
of the Initial. Do you have one?
2. If, despite the above, we run into a situation where we have that, we<= br> can always implement something like the existing VN mechanism at that poi= nt.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c118fbbef876_51b23f83328d45c4198325-- From nobody Wed Dec 12 14:47:22 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE3A5131305 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 14:47:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.056 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.056 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pRvD3iC2dD3S for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 14:47:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 044751312B9 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 14:47:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 14:47:17 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544654837; bh=3mm69vmwh9JWSK1a0mH1kVYAPQalSFTPjrQeND9c+pw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=feqDqb1Ck/51jx0K7lvjl5UnkqGHM1EgVxrqmCC6AkUnKSPqC6WxvwpH+u0xnXvER DWDwwh1Be1DJsN9zstwkNS+cDpifF4f5ABhG91aO3W4X8pACx4tpfLjtsPXDb7yRK0 lLRR1l6W3dnw4/Bsij6t2KF8ijhZjnziEIsBZKv0= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Simplify TLP and RTO into Probe Timeout (#2114) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c118ff5ff2d_5c253f7fb78d45c032791d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:47:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c118ff5ff2d_5c253f7fb78d45c032791d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > @@ -722,14 +695,13 @@ Pseudocode for OnAckReceived and UpdateRtt follow: // Find the smallest newly acknowledged packet smallest_newly_acked = FindSmallestNewlyAcked(newly_acked_packets) - // If any packets sent prior to RTO were acked, then the - // RTO was spurious. Otherwise, inform congestion control. - if (rto_count > 0 && - smallest_newly_acked > largest_sent_before_rto): - OnRetransmissionTimeoutVerified(smallest_newly_acked) + // If any packets sent prior to PTO were acked, then the + // PTO was spurious. Otherwise, inform congestion control. + if (pto_count > 0 && + smallest_newly_acked > largest_sent_before_pto): What is "extreme congestion" ? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2114#discussion_r241213835 ----==_mimepart_5c118ff5ff2d_5c253f7fb78d45c032791d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -722,14 +695,13 @@ Pseudocode for OnAckReceived and UpdateRtt follow:
       // Find the smallest newly acknowledged packet
       smallest_newly_acked =
         FindSmallestNewlyAcked(newly_acked_packets)
-      // If any packets sent prior to RTO were acked, then the
-      // RTO was spurious. Otherwise, inform congestion control.
-      if (rto_count > 0 &&
-            smallest_newly_acked > largest_sent_before_rto):
-        OnRetransmissionTimeoutVerified(smallest_newly_acked)
+      // If any packets sent prior to PTO were acked, then the
+      // PTO was spurious. Otherwise, inform congestion control.
+      if (pto_count > 0 &&
+            smallest_newly_acked > largest_sent_before_pto):

What is "extreme congestion" ?

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Having VN out of invariants makes it possible to improve VN in the future, for example if some unforeseen vulnerability is found.

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I've been avoiding using "implicit ACK" to describe this, because it's= at a different layer. ACKs deal with packets, but this is really lookin= g at the packet number space.

The parts of this that relate to what to do with those dangling packet= s from an old packet number space are only really necessary here because = we are moving the point where state is discarded earlier. For other pack= et number spaces, they are long quiescent by the time any discarding happ= ens, so the advice we'd provide would be largely academic.

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Ugh. SHOULD would be added to promote interoperability or some other thing we value. There's no interop hazard if the token isn't added.

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----==_mimepart_5c11926db69c9_5ca03f8e4d0d45c41203cc-- From nobody Wed Dec 12 15:06:11 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8C0F130F32 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 15:06:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M_qTPJVyjE7b for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 15:06:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 968E3130F29 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 15:06:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 15:06:06 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544655966; bh=LwnPkFYeCCkZpDeKRCxAfBQKTP7DLL0SHnWfnw1XG6w=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=DRNxCmG593Mf35OFrRrnynQQhxxkVThgIKMiLaCOdXb6d56HCMlUTf7phKoFw0tL9 I+buA3YIT9ShzKGc7qQaYK4EJCe5imaOPyPDiyWwqVt88v7XvUCTtWVLZLlCQdVx8T g5QDENwyDoR/tKIdtmXHoZUn+2yKWX0pqvEHB0Z0= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] In-flight not outstanding (#2120) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c11945e7f04c_3d6b3f81de6d45bc123765"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 23:06:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c11945e7f04c_3d6b3f81de6d45bc123765 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit janaiyengar commented on this pull request. Using "data in flight" is fine without the hyphenation. > @@ -400,7 +400,7 @@ On each consecutive expiration of the crypto timer without receiving an acknowledgement for a new packet, the sender SHOULD double the crypto retransmission timeout and set a timer for this period. -When crypto packets are outstanding, the TLP and RTO timers are not active. +When crypto packets are in-flight, the TLP and RTO timers are not active. ```suggestion When crypto packets are in flight, the TLP and RTO timers are not active. ``` > @@ -436,9 +436,9 @@ conditions: PTO SHOULD be scheduled for min(RTO, PTO). QUIC includes MaxAckDelay in all probe timeouts, because it assumes the ack -delay may come into play, regardless of the number of packets outstanding. -TCP's TLP assumes if at least 2 packets are outstanding, acks will not be -delayed. +delay may come into play, regardless of the number of packets ack-eliciting +packets in-flight. TCP's TLP assumes if at least 2 ack-eliciting packets are ```suggestion packets in flight. TCP's TLP assumes if at least 2 ack-eliciting packets are ``` > @@ -436,9 +436,9 @@ conditions: PTO SHOULD be scheduled for min(RTO, PTO). QUIC includes MaxAckDelay in all probe timeouts, because it assumes the ack -delay may come into play, regardless of the number of packets outstanding. -TCP's TLP assumes if at least 2 packets are outstanding, acks will not be -delayed. +delay may come into play, regardless of the number of packets ack-eliciting ```suggestion delay may come into play, regardless of the number of ack-eliciting ``` > @@ -436,9 +436,9 @@ conditions: PTO SHOULD be scheduled for min(RTO, PTO). QUIC includes MaxAckDelay in all probe timeouts, because it assumes the ack -delay may come into play, regardless of the number of packets outstanding. -TCP's TLP assumes if at least 2 packets are outstanding, acks will not be -delayed. +delay may come into play, regardless of the number of packets ack-eliciting +packets in-flight. TCP's TLP assumes if at least 2 ack-eliciting packets are +in-flight, acks will not be delayed. ```suggestion in flight, acks will not be delayed. ``` > @@ -796,7 +796,7 @@ Pseudocode for SetLossDetectionTimer follows: loss_detection_timer.cancel() return - if (crypto packets are outstanding): + if (crypto packets are in-flight): ```suggestion if (crypto packets are in flight): ``` > @@ -837,7 +837,7 @@ Pseudocode for OnLossDetectionTimeout follows: ~~~ OnLossDetectionTimeout(): - if (crypto packets are outstanding): + if (crypto packets are in-fight): ```suggestion if (crypto packets are in flight): ``` > @@ -1043,7 +1043,7 @@ kMaxDatagramSize: windows. The RECOMMENDED value is 1200 bytes. kInitialWindow: -: Default limit on the initial amount of outstanding data in bytes. Taken from +: Default limit on the initial amount of in-flight data in bytes. Taken from ```suggestion : Default limit on the initial amount of data in flight, in bytes. Taken from ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2120#pullrequestreview-184436678 ----==_mimepart_5c11945e7f04c_3d6b3f81de6d45bc123765 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Using "data in flight" is fine without the hyphenation.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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-When crypto packets are in-flight, the TLP an=
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+When crypto packets are in flight, the TLP and RTO timers are not active=
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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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> @@ -436,9 +436,9 @@ conditions:=0D
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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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> @@ -436,9 +436,9 @@ conditions:=0D
   PTO SHOULD be scheduled for min(RTO, PTO).=0D
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-in-flight, acks will not be delayed.=0D
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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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> @@ -837,7 +837,7 @@ Pseudocode for OnLossD=
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> @@ -1043,7 +1043,7 @@ kMaxDatagramSize:=0D=

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> @@ -325,7 +334,8 @@ smaller initial reordering thresholds to minimize recovery latency.
 ### Packet Threshold
 
 The RECOMMENDED initial value for the packet reordering threshold
-(kPacketThreshold) is 3, based on TCP loss detection {{?RFC5681}} {{?RFC6675}}.
+(kPacketThreshold) is 3, based on best practices for TCP loss detection
+{{?RFC5681}} {{?RFC6675}} {{FACK}}.

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----==_mimepart_5c1194c69c1b8_26163f96deed45b81823d9-- From nobody Wed Dec 12 15:09:12 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95C14130F32 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 15:09:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SoCXRp4RQMiF for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 15:09:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 65B3A130F29 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 15:09:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=L2iTn9ziErnLyNDTg+AFrd97izA=; b=kvFwKEDyHmRksbZk 8caPnLoev/iCVZBHXZJRX4Flmzkpy1r4GzC5m9hfhIA2GtFZOKP+7LQ4SE8sWKWC oDDRX0gIMali5QBkTQLRS1zjpNYh4a25vXj0+t9NHEXCoNsWlg1r/gzegkkGTaS8 Sr4g8QV0uMj58fEVFvAnYiEHKRQ= Received: by filter0610p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0610p1iad2-19506-5C119512-5D 2018-12-12 23:09:06.989893313 +0000 UTC m=+171095.395426071 Received: from github-lowworker-f6df7df.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.41]) by ismtpd0033p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id rpkZ0EKqSDWDSGOspiuZ8A for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 23:09:06.998 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-f6df7df.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE75E3E026B for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 15:09:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 23:09:07 +0000 (UTC) From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Discard Initial keys as soon as possible (#2045) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c119512ec6bd_5f8e3fcbe1ad45c0162121"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0P4e8h27sJqaSUk3ekcA808gWvjkbl4/X8Ik fmTWG1KFFK/kn4gG/zgDre6ceG2Cg71vKkgtltsInnaM6qzROyME/fcGBAKFjtAcPRyJTLLP/l1frh UCN6W74FVr+aJmaHLYVbMmASe/EuI9PM1Ba/hupZVtEVVPqvnMi/zXJ8m0z8O2teQJsEY/GdmVdsif c= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 23:09:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c119512ec6bd_5f8e3fcbe1ad45c0162121 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am looking at the arguments on this thread, and I think EKR and Kazuho are making very similar points: 1) The current state is that packet injection attacks are possible until 3 RTT after handshake is complete, or about 4 RTT from the time the Client Hello is sent. 2) This PR (#2045) would reduce the window from 4 RTT to 1 RTT. 3) But it is reasonably easy for attackers to inject packets within 0.5 RTT from the point the Client Hello is sent. 4) Thus we get a piecemeal defense that adds some complexity and risk but does not actually solve the problem. I feel sad. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2045#issuecomment-446778962 ----==_mimepart_5c119512ec6bd_5f8e3fcbe1ad45c0162121 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I am looking at the arguments on this thread, and I think EKR and Kazuho= are making very similar points:

  1. The current state is that packet injection attacks are possible until 3 = RTT after handshake is complete, or about 4 RTT from the time the Client He= llo is sent.

  2. This PR (#2045) would reduce the window from 4 RTT to 1 RTT.

  3. But it is reasonably easy for attackers to inject packets within 0.5 RTT= from the point the Client Hello is sent.

  4. Thus we get a piecemeal defense that adds some complexity and risk but d= oes not actually solve the problem.

I feel sad.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c119512ec6bd_5f8e3fcbe1ad45c0162121-- From nobody Wed Dec 12 15:17:21 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DEB5130F29 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 15:17:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tbltTUwUd5I2 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 15:17:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 02A64130F7B for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 15:17:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 15:17:16 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544656636; bh=GLauNjf3xECOw/WIKF36u0TchXnbDL/j+6lvu9c/7v4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=SMwJYBLwJUx+3zwckf0zUzs90ZeGADN21CRyWpWGo0vp05iAoJE7HG58165SYyeuY rMb52v05Cq9XIRp4ulU9hDA2z0DnGAtuo5TVxDBxBS/cm+zrVLkPz6pG5dE1JbDXSI nGymLEN8U0UR29XD52QPYANhha+xZKThazDjs3dk= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Simplify version negotiation (#2133) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c1196fcf0143_51c83ff076ed45bc1534fd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 23:17:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c1196fcf0143_51c83ff076ed45bc1534fd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Yes. My argument is that this is basically the situation we have had with every TCP-using protocol forever. Nobody thinks you can send an HTTP request to a SSH server and have that work, but we do expect SSH clients and servers to be able to negotiate with each other despite some diversity of versions. Except the equivalent of having QUIC version failure is an inability to do a TCP handshake, which does currently work between unrelated applications. However, I think you're right that the larger point is: > The invariant you need to retain isn't that all versions are compatible but that the client never has to guess whether to send an Initial of type A or B because the server might not understand A but might understand B (or vice versa). I've been trying to think of a non-hypothetical situation in which this might arise that can't be easily dealt with by retaining compat of the Initial. Do you have one? To some extent, Google's use of QUIC Crypto is an existence proof. There are servers which speak only QUIC Crypto, and there are servers which speak only TLS-based iQUIC. Even if QUIC Crypto is extinct by the time we ship this draft, the fact that the situation has arisen once suggests that it could again. "Easily dealt with" is pretty dismissive of not only being able to parse old versions' framing, but being able to parlay the handshake contents into a different handshake protocol. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2133#issuecomment-446780845 ----==_mimepart_5c1196fcf0143_51c83ff076ed45bc1534fd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes. My argument is that this is basically the situation we have had w= ith every TCP-using protocol forever. Nobody thinks you can send an HTTP = request to a SSH server and have that work, but we do expect SSH clients = and servers to be able to negotiate with each other despite some diversit= y of versions.

Except the equivalent of having QUIC version failure is an inability t= o do a TCP handshake, which does currently work between unrelated applica= tions. However, I think you're right that the larger point is:

The invariant you need to retain isn't that all versions are compatibl= e but that the client never has to guess whether to send an Initial of ty= pe A or B because the server might not understand A but might understand = B (or vice versa). I've been trying to think of a non-hypothetical situat= ion in which this might arise that can't be easily dealt with by retainin= g compat of the Initial. Do you have one?

To some extent, Google's use of QUIC Crypto is an existence proof. Th= ere are servers which speak only QUIC Crypto, and there are servers which= speak only TLS-based iQUIC. Even if QUIC Crypto is extinct by the time w= e ship this draft, the fact that the situation has arisen once suggests t= hat it could again.

"Easily dealt with" is pretty dismissive of not only being able to par= se old versions' framing, but being able to parlay the handshake contents= into a different handshake protocol.

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> old versions' framing, but being able to parlay the handshake co= ntents into
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I'm not saying that. I'm saying that if we ever want to have tota= lly
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Then your point (2) was bleeding into (1). I don't disagree that we c= an, but then we have both client-selects and server-selects models, and I= don't think our net complexity has reduced. If we're going to start wit= h one and build the other if/when we need it, let's start with the more g= eneral-purpose solution.

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Yes, we should not validate (or increase the sender-side view of where the counters are) if the largest acknowledged packet does not increase.

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----==_mimepart_5c11a450dcb61_45713fe4202d45bc15541f-- From nobody Wed Dec 12 16:16:50 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29822130F6C for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 16:16:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cKX8biCFXQkq for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 16:16:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C663130F58 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 16:16:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 16:16:45 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544660205; bh=bCMzgjzGskWziAyvTGPUcD0v6gHRTmfWX/hA/fTB13c=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=HVmiqPbWSES3FFe89VIEpDBPTA7WHc9Li+VC26LrBsGkTDby5HjrK8EeRr4MX4STP oRzT6iNbN0yJMUVqfWScZZRLsyw4JXxMOxmW9lT4uSZjr+Z43ZK8nTcrPerK/bUlpm OZmRRgmqojjUnPugSvDPlImXgJuJQ+i3wJDWNDyo= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Strengthen 2119 language around tokens. (#2124) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c11a4ed3f920_22eb3ff7282d45c4321020"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 00:16:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c11a4ed3f920_22eb3ff7282d45c4321020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. The second change I like. The first less so. > @@ -1627,7 +1627,7 @@ interface. A client needs to start the connection process over if it migrates prior to completing the handshake. When a server receives an Initial packet with an address validation token, it -SHOULD attempt to validate it, unless it has already completed address +MUST attempt to validate it, unless it has already completed address We also use MUST for security problems. > @@ -1610,7 +1610,7 @@ A resumption token SHOULD be constructed to be easily distinguishable from tokens that are sent in Retry packets as they are carried in the same field. If the client has a token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame on a previous connection -to what it believes to be the same server, it can include that value in the +to what it believes to be the same server, it SHOULD include that value in the I think that we need text on why it might not. I suspect that this is a MUST unless (sending from a new address) OR (you don't feel like it). I think that the "can" is fine here. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2124#pullrequestreview-184454725 ----==_mimepart_5c11a4ed3f920_22eb3ff7282d45c4321020 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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The second change I like. The first less so.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1627,7 +1627,7 @@ interface.  A client needs to start the connection process over if it migrates
 prior to completing the handshake.
 
 When a server receives an Initial packet with an address validation token, it
-SHOULD attempt to validate it, unless it has already completed address
+MUST attempt to validate it, unless it has already completed address

We also use MUST for security problems.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1610,7 +1610,7 @@ A resumption token SHOULD be constructed to be easily distinguishable from
 tokens that are sent in Retry packets as they are carried in the same field.
 
 If the client has a token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame on a previous connection
-to what it believes to be the same server, it can include that value in the
+to what it believes to be the same server, it SHOULD include that value in the

I think that we need text on why it might not. I suspect that this is a MUST unless (sending from a new address) OR (you don't feel like it).

I think that the "can" is fine here.

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What do you believe are the principles that we should be applying here?

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Yeah, this is a problem. I think that the latter needs to change. We= want to allow paths to be validated at any time for any reason.

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So I don't think that the amount of used space (your A) is th= at important in the text. What is most relevant is the amount of space t= he decoder allows (the setting, your C) and the amount of space the encod= er is using (your B).

If we can avoid talking too much about the occupied space, then we mig= ht be in a better position. If we have to, we can talk about "used" or "= occupied" space.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c11a7abbd92a_43c33f9aaeed45bc2889ea-- From nobody Wed Dec 12 16:34:04 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6074B13136E for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 16:34:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.056 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.056 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EQagqm5Rc4EL for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 16:33:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7DA07131364 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 16:33:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 16:33:58 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544661238; bh=0WfPKyNegC6Hm+e5g/RO6bzpSwSZfgS49KH3uDb8HBo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=2Pf70bQa/espimrSvMQD+46GjTa+21huJUjpKjUs+Y1sJQsGP14UiuDs7EcFo9+UC WOsO7SZ3Q5Ag4Wa0/WBAIWFNzgbPyrUoBVA1sWce0uI+WMZkUlRiEJwBhSrX2j90U1 M2rCzeZMUhN5n+74uTl5/LIBYHeXVwtRKXYtRtkg= From: Christopher Wood Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Simplify version negotiation (#2133) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c11a8f68a419_72cc3fb54b8d45c493577"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: chris-wood X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 00:34:02 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c11a8f68a419_72cc3fb54b8d45c493577 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I tend to slightly prefer this to the existing VN mechanism for the reasons outlined above. Its simplicity is a particularly appealing property. Moreover, absent a specific case where we will need to deal with complete incompatibility, which I don't foresee happening, the current generality seems to be a case of YAGNI. (That said, I recognize its relation to the invariants may be concerning. And also I am wrong a lot.) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2133#issuecomment-446797838 ----==_mimepart_5c11a8f68a419_72cc3fb54b8d45c493577 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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= ----==_mimepart_5c11a8f68a419_72cc3fb54b8d45c493577-- From nobody Wed Dec 12 17:19:20 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA7B3129BBF for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 17:19:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.056 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.056 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P6uPK3C8ir7W for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 17:19:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA786128B14 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 17:19:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 17:19:15 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544663955; bh=6FNUriuYkQFDVeEsgdK6i6U4C0IXwSE0rnGotkRSyxI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=inphr+epXFGsnZgnD61gyLIoCwasncgG06rCaURSoEo25MmA0zcM6Muv50EA8Mz78 mGdIgT1ZLhk6EzciT2fSXGG1gIDJwb5HhfsehHiVdjAxGiOE5eTvLcjYdvwCAD6PaX pgDjraC7hWama/WW1yWITIKnhYr8pXG5gj/Cs/OA= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] How many datagrams can a client send prior to validating the path? (#2135) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c11b39396501_42483fdaef4d45b81335fb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 01:19:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c11b39396501_42483fdaef4d45b81335fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To avoid it being used as a DDoS attack vector, we forbid the server from sending more than three datagrams before the path is validated during the handshake. Do we need similar safeguard for the number of datagrams that a client may emit before it sees a packet from the server? IMO, it might be worth considering, due to the following reasons: * The attack vector exists. For example, an attacker can inject a DNS response for a huge website to a DNS server. Then, clients would start sending 0-RTT packets to the victim. * The number of packets that the client can send prior to path being validated was one for TCP. The QUIC transport draft is silent about the limit (though INITCWND would practically become in play here). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2135 ----==_mimepart_5c11b39396501_42483fdaef4d45b81335fb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

To avoid it being used as a DDoS attack vector, we forbid the server from sending more than three datagrams before the path is validated during the handshake.

Do we need similar safeguard for the number of datagrams that a client may emit before it sees a packet from the server? IMO, it might be worth considering, due to the following reasons:

  • The attack vector exists. For example, an attacker can inject a DNS response for a huge website to a DNS server. Then, clients would start sending 0-RTT packets to the victim.
  • The number of packets that the client can send prior to path being validated was one for TCP. The QUIC transport draft is silent about the limit (though INITCWND would practically become in play here).

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The recommendation is 3 RTO, and the RTO computation includes a rule f= or initial values when no RTT measurement has happened. Did you mean a di= fferent recommendation? FWIW, initial retransmit can be a bit aggressive,= for latency reasons, and I don't think path validation needs to be aggre= ssive.

That said, it has always bothered me that we say 3RTO when we know tha= t this is a different path, and the RTO measurement from other paths are = unlikely to hold true. I'm fine with stipulating a constant here. I propo= se 3 x Initial RTOs =3D 600ms.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c11b5dc6905a_36b3fde8aad45b48413e-- From nobody Wed Dec 12 17:46:27 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22059128B14 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 17:46:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id brm1ifko56np for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 17:46:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F6291313BF for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 17:46:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 17:46:22 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544665582; bh=6kwvrQOeL1QRQxETC764J6RdP3PteUR/jMrHM6iR3f0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=GWa6DLAP4ZBEXQuhrFMAUEjzqncK6AWQpDuY2djG6pPUsu3G5qkEroTImoHIFWyRV iIeILhh2powO3CbKajmFVoQOOCMVf2K7jozH+5m4pynQQ3H/kpvQh7F7DwGowNkAWK UK2ZTbELhYcWuUmZvotzi4HNFpGByyelL9HiUhY8= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QUIC connection migration and IPv6 only NAT64/DNS64 Networks (#2122) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c11b9ee26d09_6b7d3ff607ed45bc4297f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 01:46:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c11b9ee26d09_6b7d3ff607ed45bc4297f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So, preferred_address has slightly different semantics than what you're asking for. It currently means that the server prefers that the client use the indicated address. What you want is an _alternate_ address, something that the client can use if it migrates to a network on a different address family. I think we can get the low-hanging fruit here by having alternate_address_v4 and alternate_address_v6 transport parameters. That said, I'm not convinced of how important this is to solve in v1. This affects only migrations, and then only those that are from networks on one address family to a different one. I'll note that an explicit ADD/DELETE_ADDR doesn't work because of NATs (as @mikkelfj notes). That is fine; in the spec, we've basically used receiving a packet from a new address as an implicit ADD_ADDR signal. The problem you're running into right now is that we don't support server migration in v1, which doesn't allow a server to send a packet from an unknown address to a client. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2122#issuecomment-446811780 ----==_mimepart_5c11b9ee26d09_6b7d3ff607ed45bc4297f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

So, preferred_address has slightly different semantics than what you'r= e asking for. It currently means that the server prefers that the client = use the indicated address. What you want is an alternate address= , something that the client can use if it migrates to a network on a diff= erent address family.

I think we can get the low-hanging fruit here by having alternate_addr= ess_v4 and alternate_address_v6 transport parameters. That said, I'm not = convinced of how important this is to solve in v1. This affects only migr= ations, and then only those that are from networks on one address family = to a different one.

I'll note that an explicit ADD/DELETE_ADDR doesn't work because of NAT= s (as @mikkelfj notes). That is fine; in the spec, we've basic= ally used receiving a packet from a new address as an implicit ADD_ADDR s= ignal. The problem you're running into right now is that we don't support= server migration in v1, which doesn't allow a server to send a packet fr= om an unknown address to a client.

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----==_mimepart_5c11c1e9c2e6c_50ed3f95532d45c49663f-- From nobody Wed Dec 12 18:21:07 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D7271293FB for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 18:21:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.914 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.914 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P1nYnYvQSjPd for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 18:21:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 20C02128CFD for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 18:21:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 18:21:01 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544667661; bh=8AR1zIxxcUwKP1uA3iDwOA6bZud4bEBqlt6b0eRffWE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=kqljG2uc9PWdoOVs00Epq/9kHUDKQpS3R+n9s8dCEJXotWdx5DW6ZT8Uu6SOMKvFS HKOGpU08Oin4Nx0ZZajhMYfKBMlo6Exi+Iqh0dgrxI9BeBgkY3G/Vgf9tItPsBYe/S 1WdPizsIY3RlwAxZRVO+qsOVJ42vmNTHfwHhlL4s= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Amplification attack using retry tokens and spoofed addresses (#2064) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c11c20d8ff53_6ae83fdc0c6d45c020603"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 02:21:05 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c11c20d8ff53_6ae83fdc0c6d45c020603 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd like to merge this. Anyone opposed? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2064#issuecomment-446818389 ----==_mimepart_5c11c20d8ff53_6ae83fdc0c6d45c020603 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'd like to merge this. Anyone opposed?

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----==_mimepart_5c11c20d8ff53_6ae83fdc0c6d45c020603-- From nobody Wed Dec 12 18:25:40 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6A161293FB for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 18:25:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.842 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.842 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2jBvIx7ct4lx for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 18:25:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0528F128CFD for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 18:25:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 18:25:36 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544667936; bh=XiG3Z0/Kap0OykvXLdxC4bTxbyymE6+gTU7sZyBkbLg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=aNcVvmJs06EoAMb3cM8oB6D8WHwOb4Vioihcm+aTR0r2xkZNhwNtkD//wP7JlSXw2 EVG9+KA4Y7JTfZ47s1mrhMEVo0M+4/UpHRxdWfYmCoD6IfJaS/8q4nysAmW6ki5FtY y/3pWvneVd1v1GuACf6+uDwm60hWAtvvRhY12RVI= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Recommend sending a token (#2121) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c11c3201dc0e_db63fa4610d45b8313636"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 02:25:39 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c11c3201dc0e_db63fa4610d45b8313636 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It does make sense to say SHOULD if we want to encourage lower connection establishment latency, which we do (we state this as one of QUIC's features). I'd be fine with a SHOULD here. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2121#issuecomment-446819251 ----==_mimepart_5c11c3201dc0e_db63fa4610d45b8313636 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

It does make sense to say SHOULD if we want to encourage lower connection establishment latency, which we do (we state this as one of QUIC's features). I'd be fine with a SHOULD here.

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Merged #2119 into master.

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----==_mimepart_5c11c509d269a_765a3f838d4d45b8290e2-- From nobody Wed Dec 12 18:40:19 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B459712D4E6 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 18:40:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7x6zmqx0DBzf for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 18:40:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F1D6F129A87 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 18:40:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 18:40:15 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544668815; bh=xkqRoN1bDeKLvj8mQQmC7GiG0sp2SzFTdASj+iqCU5U=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=UttdVhYZrBq6NDYrK2bXFmmpStDt5lWg5reHe9owPKU9Jb+p2PUXQUIzZZneGpNWl a58MccEbS3/zhUCc9077TY6diBcrn9t2vyh6n8z2gNP63UFnpPkToO5bvA+y5UWkMG YgjrhuXhHvA7OqP3SjLkKQxS5y4hvxV+6bDgKelA= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Strengthen 2119 language around tokens. (#2124) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c11c68f1869c_37d33fd08dcd45b81236af"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 02:40:18 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c11c68f1869c_37d33fd08dcd45b81236af Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit janaiyengar commented on this pull request. > @@ -1610,7 +1610,7 @@ A resumption token SHOULD be constructed to be easily distinguishable from tokens that are sent in Retry packets as they are carried in the same field. If the client has a token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame on a previous connection -to what it believes to be the same server, it can include that value in the +to what it believes to be the same server, it SHOULD include that value in the ... or it dropped its store of tokens. SHOULD is useful in encouraging clients to do the performant thing -- use tokens unless they really can't. > @@ -1627,7 +1627,7 @@ interface. A client needs to start the connection process over if it migrates prior to completing the handshake. When a server receives an Initial packet with an address validation token, it -SHOULD attempt to validate it, unless it has already completed address +MUST attempt to validate it, unless it has already completed address There's an "unless" clause that captures the cases where a server won't validate, AFAICT. I'm ok with MUST here. Also, the "it" is ambiguous. I would change the sentence to ".... MUST attempt to validate the token" -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2124#discussion_r241254940 ----==_mimepart_5c11c68f1869c_37d33fd08dcd45b81236af Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1610,7 +1610,7 @@ A resumption token SHOULD be constructed to be easily distinguishable from
 tokens that are sent in Retry packets as they are carried in the same field.
 
 If the client has a token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame on a previous connection
-to what it believes to be the same server, it can include that value in the
+to what it believes to be the same server, it SHOULD include that value in the

... or it dropped its store of tokens. SHOULD is useful in encouraging clients to do the performant thing -- use tokens unless they really can't.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1627,7 +1627,7 @@ interface.  A client needs to start the connection process over if it migrates
 prior to completing the handshake.
 
 When a server receives an Initial packet with an address validation token, it
-SHOULD attempt to validate it, unless it has already completed address
+MUST attempt to validate it, unless it has already completed address

There's an "unless" clause that captures the cases where a server won't validate, AFAICT. I'm ok with MUST here.

Also, the "it" is ambiguous. I would change the sentence to ".... MUST attempt to validate the token"

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Closes #2082.

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----==_mimepart_5c11c86f7c802_2fa43f838d4d45b81054ef-- From nobody Wed Dec 12 18:49:03 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E17912D4E6 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 18:49:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.914 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.914 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vFn_T8b5qnP3 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 18:49:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C2D8F129A87 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 18:48:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 18:48:58 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544669338; bh=D6x9PS8GL80ftb5hlHAwCrkdz9dqakfbDBveKeDnaBU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Zbvdo5W6SGCmKmt4/MaotNrnIG1iMrVXjNQS/EcjH+UCEREK8hqbl+QpYXZqJ8Ov2 6MnUFunAIxoCT+AQRvHyMD4EARfqS1HI0RPrFjf2ge+dAuyHLoq3rBAr67ZgO3YW3u MGEHNxkJdJeG/30KUCNhJEvOf4XQINH3JzJ+j0q8= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Amplification attack using retry tokens and spoofed addresses (#2064) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c11c89ac4bb6_423a3fcfa28d45bc15821b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 02:49:02 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c11c89ac4bb6_423a3fcfa28d45bc15821b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ianswett approved this pull request. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2064#pullrequestreview-184483719 ----==_mimepart_5c11c89ac4bb6_423a3fcfa28d45bc15821b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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----==_mimepart_5c11caecaef1e_2afc3faa310d45c469444-- From nobody Wed Dec 12 19:08:37 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36C8C124D68 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 19:08:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e25GzTXOPmH1 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 19:08:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 84A9812008A for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 19:08:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 19:08:32 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544670512; bh=9wx/bXBiTvK4t8Pa+2QA6c8IS78PQu2BlJU9Cjiz1OY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=pZGCE6+3isXqLfX/UGzvKmye2MduVty8Gncw6MUmeSnMJISW0DqGGBvp81d5/wu1/ 9t8iVvemk2g2Dep0n1d/mTDSpUTlRwv9g2KR+ls2AFE6r233liDr6lF5JqQfeHYpaY VSQ3pciyc/9tCHBaZSTLfVt09KjaRSV8Alj+enw0= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Should retiring all CIDs be an error? (#2101) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c11cd3063a3e_152e3f9c162d45b433147f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 03:08:35 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c11cd3063a3e_152e3f9c162d45b433147f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm with @martinthomson on this one. There are many ways in which an endpoint can shoot itself in the foot, and this is one more. I'll note that the onus here really is on the peer issuing CIDs. Retiring is fine if it's the only one that the peer has issued, and it needs to be retired because of a change in the peer's address for example. A peer that doesn't issue new ones ahead of time is responsible. That said, an endpoint that retires CIDs willy-nilly is simply hurting itself. I wouldn't be opposed to having something in the applicability draft, along with text for when something should be retired. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2101#issuecomment-446827065 ----==_mimepart_5c11cd3063a3e_152e3f9c162d45b433147f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm with @martinthomson on this one. There are many ways= in which an endpoint can shoot itself in the foot, and this is one more.= I'll note that the onus here really is on the peer issuing CIDs. Retir= ing is fine if it's the only one that the peer has issued, and it needs t= o be retired because of a change in the peer's address for example. A pee= r that doesn't issue new ones ahead of time is responsible.

That said, an endpoint that retires CIDs willy-nilly is simply hurting= itself. I wouldn't be opposed to having something in the applicability d= raft, along with text for when something should be retired.

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----==_mimepart_5c11ce909155_76ab3f8dc68d45bc11188f-- From nobody Wed Dec 12 19:36:04 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A639128CFD for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 19:36:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fq080CNSa75J for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 19:36:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 80AD5124D68 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 19:36:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 19:35:59 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544672159; bh=wVngkbEKaWMAvGxpQYly/QQF4gTAC0tkXe/VrQJRJkg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=R3/p5FN4NDDBxGJ3n1Q/CHYGdwgxUqPb56GhXHuh77xNu3dn5QBYhHU8i2VX+kGI1 tdbRnN6FUIs0mTwGKUMXEtYmDbhCRbM7OaSdxrEYfCYQffDjoi9D8zB56rWcfJVuAM lAdYSK4TKEzRQCu6wskq0GWGCMFES57QMyXD/6C8= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] create codec streams only when necessary (#2090) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c11d39fdd56a_515e3fe4a36d45bc189334"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 03:36:04 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c11d39fdd56a_515e3fe4a36d45bc189334 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinthomson > Let me try to expand on my earlier comment. I currently create these streams when building my connection object. This allows requests and responses to use those streams directly. If the streams might not exist, then I have to allow those values to be absent throughout, which is annoying but not a big deal. More of a concern is that this is concurrent code, so deferring creation would mean that I would have to guard the variables holding the streams with a mutex (or atomic, which always gives me the creeps). That creates the potential for contention point on every new message. Isn't it the case that you would be having contention point even without the proposed change, assuming that you are creating the connection object prior to receiving the SETTINGS frame? I ask this because the receipt of SETTINGS_MAX_TABLE_SIZE updates the state of the QPACK encoder. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2090#issuecomment-446831416 ----==_mimepart_5c11d39fdd56a_515e3fe4a36d45bc189334 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Let me try to expand on my earlier comment. I currently create these s= treams when building my connection object. This allows requests and respo= nses to use those streams directly. If the streams might not exist, then = I have to allow those values to be absent throughout, which is annoying b= ut not a big deal. More of a concern is that this is concurrent code, so = deferring creation would mean that I would have to guard the variables ho= lding the streams with a mutex (or atomic, which always gives me the cree= ps). That creates the potential for contention point on every new message= .

Isn't it the case that you would be having contention point even witho= ut the proposed change, assuming that you are creating the connection obj= ect prior to receiving the SETTINGS frame? I ask this because the receipt= of SETTINGS_MAX_TABLE_SIZE updates the state of the QPACK encoder.

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Yep, that seems like a reasonable summation. But I hold hopes for the= out-of-band configuration that you and Kazuho are working on. I don't t= hink that it is worth holding v1 for though. Especially since it imposes= some deployment constraints that could be onerous.

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@janaiyengar, the RTO was chosen carefully - as long as= it has a minimum it is still probably the right answer. If we assume th= at the RTT on the old path is approximately correct, and that the minimum= RTO will prevent the worst problems resulting from migration to a longer= path, I think that this is OK.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1610,7 +1610,7 @@ A resumption token SHOULD be constructed to be easily distinguishable from
 tokens that are sent in Retry packets as they are carried in the same field.
 
 If the client has a token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame on a previous connection
-to what it believes to be the same server, it can include that value in the
+to what it believes to be the same server, it SHOULD include that value in the

If we go with SHOULD, then we need to address the reasons that an endpoint might diverge from that. I realize that it's a cop-out, but "can" is so much easier.

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@martinthomson approved this pull request.

This doesn't really address the concern raised in #2082 in th= e way that @ekr might have preferred, but it is quite clear and it = captures the intent of the previous discussion(s). I'm OK with this if <= a class=3D"user-mention" data-hovercard-type=3D"user" data-hovercard-url=3D= "/hovercards?user_id=3D1111457" data-octo-click=3D"hovercard-link-click" = data-octo-dimensions=3D"link_type:self" href=3D"https://github.com/ekr">@= ekr can live with it.

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I already have to manage contention for encoding, so I guess you are right, this isn't that big a problem. It's just complexity with questionable benefit.

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----==_mimepart_5c11da1fc3e6a_7bb33f8590cd45c4504dc-- From nobody Wed Dec 12 20:12:25 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37C1E128CFD for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 20:12:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.459 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.459 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yQpwEt8IZcw0 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 20:12:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-9.smtp.github.com (out-9.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 69DE2129C6B for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 20:12:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 20:12:21 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544674341; bh=v1e16F1GnEtKJ13NcdqgMymvjP6OBYGCEF2hxFN4JRw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=HH/FeFdHbZlXXx1bWZlqm+Abic9HszjyQVkQUCALuVbrvwZXxNzpA36uR1nSWAFSd MXF1dxu5rKEsLlpHrwS/GHC5bzakhCZIFyVvf3aYZF5IAsMmG0RGXPdQfa0kolpq/T iQgUt9GA9SFmegfdXC/SFiNm5GWjlHRjt5gB1Ciw= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QUIC connection migration and IPv6 only NAT64/DNS64 Networks (#2122) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c11dc25b1f8a_3b193ff788cd45b4224619"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 04:12:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c11dc25b1f8a_3b193ff788cd45b4224619 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To echo @cpaasch point, this could be a large problem for connection migration. Without a way to communicate an alternate address to the peer, it seems like v6 to v4-only will consistently fail? If connection migration is best effort(ie: expected to fail some user-visible fraction of the time), this may be Ok. But if it's expected to work ~100% of the time when an alternate network is available, this is a real problem. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2122#issuecomment-446836642 ----==_mimepart_5c11dc25b1f8a_3b193ff788cd45b4224619 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

To echo @cpaasch point, this could be a large problem for con= nection migration.

Without a way to communicate an alternate address to the peer, it seem= s like v6 to v4-only will consistently fail?

If connection migration is best effort(ie: expected to fail some user-= visible fraction of the time), this may be Ok. But if it's expected to w= ork ~100% of the time when an alternate network is available, this is a r= eal problem.

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I always expected this to work on a best-effort basis. The problem wi= th doing something stronger here is that it blows out the scope. Badly. = Migration is hard enough when only one endpoint moves, but this would re= quire a lot more complexity and machinery.

Mike labelled this quicv2, which is entirely appropriate.= Though it might be OK to define an extension that parallels preferred_a= ddress that provides a v4 fallback address.

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Limiting ack_delay to max_ack_delay ensures a peer specifying an extre= mely small max_ack_delay doesn=E2=80=99t cause more spurious timeouts tha= n a peer that correctly specifies max_ack_delay.

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Does this mean that you cap the ACK Delay field to the value from the = max_ack_delay transport parameter with min()? That's what the pseudocode= says, but "limit" is sufficiently vague that I wasn't sure. Especially = since that has the effect of feeding massively inflated RTT samples into = the estimator. ACK Delay will be large if the packet contains retransmis= sions.

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Shouldn't we be throwing out these samples rather than distorting them= ? I mean, that was my understanding of the outcome of #1438, and= it seems like this case is rare enough that it won't starve the RTT esti= mator too badly.

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If the result is smaller than the min_rtt, the RTT should be used, but= the ack delay field should be ignored.

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I think that this means that the RTT calculation should be done with a= n ACK Delay of 0.

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I'm going to suggest that the statute of limitations has expired on this one. Does anyone want to drive this, or should I close it?

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Section 7.8 of -recovery specifies rules for what a sender does when it starts sending after an idle period. But surely this doesn't apply when the idle period is short. Reading that text, an idle period of any duration would trigger this requirement, but I don't think that is the intent. The period should be defined.

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@martinthomson : This is text that @ekr proposed. I'll merge this, and if @ekr thinks more is warranted, happy to discuss.

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Closed #2082 via #2136.

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----==_mimepart_5c11f4d8536de_71363fd2e2ed45b43489bd-- From nobody Wed Dec 12 21:57:55 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73731130E9A for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 21:57:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.842 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.842 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NHGScwmOSUGC for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 21:57:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C70E812426A for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 21:57:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 21:57:44 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544680664; bh=xdzTyeYXyTtVmlDotUtgxGobnbggCmME87l1lFBf3fY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=svQcPuImTDI4eU8eGYC3fcCOTKbhORRwD2Xa6g6t5DNZnc07fFlSWrsJicweiP5NJ SimLPBtZJEaoq9SHpZUk1zvH38Ywug1WCCQw0O+0CtNq2n8Yq50qAaGyxqr5AFgwrC pHzRINVE3ASuAqi55YStw/sojJ8t1JGC/jFgjv74= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Flow control edits (#2136) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c11f4d8195be_99b3f8590cd45c4129374"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 05:57:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c11f4d8195be_99b3f8590cd45c4129374 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merged #2136 into master. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2136#event-2023343110 ----==_mimepart_5c11f4d8195be_99b3f8590cd45c4129374 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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My not-so-strong preference goes to closing the issue. It's not a bug to use uint16_t, this issues should not block -17, once -17 ships we should only make changes that are essential for the protocol to work correctly.

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----==_mimepart_5c11f5b1494d3_25573fb1bf8d45b82484a4-- From nobody Wed Dec 12 22:02:47 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D2D2126CC7 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:02:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.056 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.056 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s4yR19J5fyB1 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:02:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2BA11126C01 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:02:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:02:41 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544680961; bh=eu8d7UVu46kvpWk1n02EfHcvTABBMKMX2PfOAcP/zlQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=MExQrXZQjODEDSIqhKCtPQV+BF1Fksm0JXW9GUsl70T9mVrJZRFi5W2I9d69Mna/A SZJ4BKsbWZoQc4HYeQ9C48RC7ftxgBVdGGr4u6Q0D0OjN5TZ2ZAlC/Dqx1fawq1HCe DgXJou0ox0HjCzW79sKbo+nsIoUKBgt7A3KPHr8Q= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QUIC connection migration and IPv6 only NAT64/DNS64 Networks (#2122) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c11f601c1844_27113fb72c4d45b82727de"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 06:02:45 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c11f601c1844_27113fb72c4d45b82727de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a problem for migration between different address families. It will always fail under those conditions. This is something we should fix, but I fear that without some experimentation, we're not going to get it right. I agree with Martin -- having an extension define the alternate v4/v6 address in transport params may be the way to sensibly do this experiment. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2122#issuecomment-446852478 ----==_mimepart_5c11f601c1844_27113fb72c4d45b82727de Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This is a problem for migration between different address families. It= will always fail under those conditions. This is something we should fix= , but I fear that without some experimentation, we're not going to get it= right.

I agree with Martin -- having an extension define the alternate v4/v6 = address in transport params may be the way to sensibly do this experiment= .

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Right. That's my thinking also. Though I don't think that -17 will b= e as firm as you might have liked, unless we decide to reject some of the= proposals we have in flight. I personally want to reject a lot of those= , but we'll see how that goes. Current plan is to ship 24 hours. I'll h= old this open until then.

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This seems like a proposal that needs to go to the list.

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----==_mimepart_5c11f758e8806_670b3fedd9ad45c4273872-- From nobody Wed Dec 12 22:09:55 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D74B126C01 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:09:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2n_OqmiuGkBb for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:09:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E6FF212426A for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:09:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:09:51 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544681391; bh=fXpekpJje00TKCt5UFJgNAp1de8SW0lLz6cBxP7hqik=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ZjkiBJ3cLF7ZuwBohtThkOtuogS5XPz6yaHkgAPYXmNhe7/v7bwDmDZBxg9iDogoI 5wuOaffZhNHykHTOxLSPUFwgfri8Jn0Byv5tCutK27sVg7Vpn3Z3/b8v5/hmnELV1Y xKaYUg3JVqZh44mnkO7IiYw8mjZaUff+SoOP8yYQ= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Changelogs for -17 (#2139) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c11f7af177d9_71483fd2e2ed45b42921c6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 06:09:54 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c11f7af177d9_71483fd2e2ed45b42921c6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not sure that I captured everything here. I also discovered a few things in -recovery that I wasn't paying close attention to that looked bad. Issues raised for those. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2139 -- Commit Summary -- * Changelog for -transport-17 * Changelog for -tls-17 * Changelog for -recovery-17 * Changelog for -qpack-05 * Changelog for -http-17 -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (8) M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md (5) M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (14) M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (12) M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (24) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2139.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2139.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2139 ----==_mimepart_5c11f7af177d9_71483fd2e2ed45b42921c6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Not sure that I captured everything here.

I also discovered a few things in -recovery that I wasn't paying close attention to that looked bad. Issues raised for those.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2139

Commit Summary

  • Changelog for -transport-17
  • Changelog for -tls-17
  • Changelog for -recovery-17
  • Changelog for -qpack-05
  • Changelog for -http-17

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@martinthomson approved this pull request.

This looks like a sensible ordering. Let's do this then change all the names (because changing the names is what we do).

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----==_mimepart_5c11f8088c78a_427f3fdc73cd45bc35031b-- From nobody Wed Dec 12 22:18:18 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C88612875B for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:18:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7igSDj99M0qQ for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:18:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 69156126CC7 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:18:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:18:13 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544681893; bh=mkea557rpJb+AFkdukzPxRrkgbaNUW9jPT9pEFDBWhw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=qYV3chV4fWQoA8kufsqyQ5e+Lq7Knfm6jqDD7vhESR3U3jFIrytEo2D3O8q0mFf/X tthnBBiXZBoYAGkU2486JRpNzYyQFSsXr12ncHOi6wu23WIy5ANIPiW19HsSdpFJBq 20ZWeLa17eNCW9/Sz4vxT9/BEO//p/WVdz3Lx4B0= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ACK Delay interactions with RTT calculation (#2137) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c11f9a563dda_79123fdc73cd45bc4070c8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 06:18:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c11f9a563dda_79123fdc73cd45bc4070c8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On your first point, this was an outcome of #2060. Yes, it is a min, as the pseudocode says. For context, when #1438 was being discussed, two things were true that aren't anymore: (i) non-ack-eliciting packets were being used for the RTT computation, and (ii) we were using max(observed ack_delays) as the max_ack_delay. We've since replaced that computation with the peer's explicitly stated max_ack_delay in our RTO computations. So if you do get inflated ack delays, that's going to be because acks were being lost or the receiver took too long to send an ack. In either case, we want to capture the resulting increase somewhere, since the RTO should incorporate such potential delays. In #2060, we decided to let the smoothed_RTT EWMA estimator handle it. If it's rare, it shouldn't move the EWMA by much. If it's not rare, then the EWMA will capture it, and we will appropriately end up with a larger RTO. On your second point, yes, ack delay of 0 is what is meant there. Should there be more text? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2137#issuecomment-446855221 ----==_mimepart_5c11f9a563dda_79123fdc73cd45bc4070c8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On your first point, this was an outcome of #2060. Yes, it is= a min, as the pseudocode says.

For context, when #1438 was being discussed, two things wer= e true that aren't anymore: (i) non-ack-eliciting packets were being used= for the RTT computation, and (ii) we were using max(observed ack_delays)= as the max_ack_delay. We've since replaced that computation with the pee= r's explicitly stated max_ack_delay in our RTO computations.

So if you do get inflated ack delays, that's going to be because acks = were being lost or the receiver took too long to send an ack. In either c= ase, we want to capture the resulting increase somewhere, since the RTO s= hould incorporate such potential delays. In #2060, we decided = to let the smoothed_RTT EWMA estimator handle it. If it's rare, it should= n't move the EWMA by much. If it's not rare, then the EWMA will capture i= t, and we will appropriately end up with a larger RTO.

On your second point, yes, ack delay of 0 is what is meant there. Shou= ld there be more text?

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----==_mimepart_5c11fa20d79ca_18303fda9d2d45bc244313-- From nobody Wed Dec 12 22:22:48 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAEEA12875B for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:22:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.459 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.459 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p1H-Ku92jBYw for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:22:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2153F126CC7 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:22:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:22:44 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544682164; bh=CMYDrG4Dvg2/CweE5ooop0HyyxS0tglGl6FBOvDSKqc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=UOVhaq7+DA9FK9xUfN8gVA0VizIjRm48iQ1cR8eF2rT9207ItaA+IzncnkUfAXJPD 8GvhQksi93mbj68epmSQ7L1fZBlb4IXoYpE8fkH+PImi3jZoj1mj0arp7dSi9VzJO7 l88B51ptAhpOVLUWA0xI6XKFc//ORlQJMkymgWgM= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Endpoints MAY (not SHOULD) ignore IPv4 ICMP PTB messages (#2109) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c11fab413d5a_3b6a3ff788cd45b44571e3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 06:22:47 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c11fab413d5a_3b6a3ff788cd45b44571e3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If we step back a little let's list what what we would like to have happen: 1. if the PMTU is being forced below 1280, ignore it 2. validate the packet, using whatever means you like (this is likely a policy decision) and throw out packets that don't pass the test 3. adjust the PMTU Based on that, I think that we can make the test simpler. FWIW, I don't agree that matching addresses is sufficient, but I'm happy to leave that to endpoints to each decide for themselves. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2109#issuecomment-446856053 ----==_mimepart_5c11fab413d5a_3b6a3ff788cd45b44571e3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

If we step back a little let's list what what we would like to have ha= ppen:

  1. if the PMTU is being forced below 1280, ignore it
  2. validate the packet, using whatever means you like (this is likely a = policy decision) and throw out packets that don't pass the test
  3. adjust the PMTU

Based on that, I think that we can make the test simpler.

FWIW, I don't agree that matching addresses is sufficient, but I'm hap= py to leave that to endpoints to each decide for themselves.

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I don't think we should rely on the min RTO -- that may or may not exist in this or future versions. If we want that min, it makes sense to encode it directly here instead of this indirection.

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----==_mimepart_5c11fae31ef26_291f3fb2894d45c481686c-- From nobody Wed Dec 12 22:28:14 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C272E12875B for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:28:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r-PqFdKhOV53 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:28:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D539C126CC7 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:28:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:28:09 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544682489; bh=VZ69LJHNgYsYHr3IQIED3VJPgNF9EbVXfuz5TVsVNdU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=VtmFosnBa+qkLbJIIVR9S39R2SSMbuj7okQczkdB9ZZdwEIGro5a6xfHlOXUuBy89 lxiJ60qlGMyJalpg2oaV9ejS3AMON5i8ramcegjhanyZ4vMooBxca78lohorNNR84G jmUKBQONkSpGJoS/YKV9PgdEiNrn13kVePP2HQKE= From: erickinnear Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QUIC connection migration and IPv6 only NAT64/DNS64 Networks (#2122) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c11fbf9d5000_22b53f80436d45b84372b4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: erickinnear X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 06:28:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c11fbf9d5000_22b53f80436d45b84372b4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To the point made by @MikeBishop, the NAT64 synthesis can generally be done on device for some of the problem cases here. It seems like between (a) resolving both address families and potentially preferring the one matching the address family available on your other interface(s) and (b) address synthesis on-device, many of the cases are covered already. Beyond that, I was also under the impression that this was best effort. To that end, I'm not sure how much this needs to be addressed in v1, as I don't know if significant added complexity is the right tradeoff -- an extension sounds like a great place to experiment with this. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2122#issuecomment-446857058 ----==_mimepart_5c11fbf9d5000_22b53f80436d45b84372b4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

To the point made by @MikeBishop, the NAT64 synthesis can = generally be done on device for some of the problem cases here.

It seems like between (a) resolving both address families and potentia= lly preferring the one matching the address family available on your othe= r interface(s) and (b) address synthesis on-device, many of the cases are= covered already.

Beyond that, I was also under the impression that this was best effort= . To that end, I'm not sure how much this needs to be addressed in v1, as= I don't know if significant added complexity is the right tradeoff -- an= extension sounds like a great place to experiment with this.

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I'm ok with closing this issue. I just wanted to make sure that this is a deliberate decision we're making.

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----==_mimepart_5c11fc3f32db5_2fc93fd6bbcd45c048692f-- From nobody Wed Dec 12 22:35:28 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 167FC130DC4 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:35:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4R1VOrreyOAf for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:35:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 17C4812875B for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:35:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:35:24 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544682924; bh=9/fxrs0joXBSIIgcq5CWpkF3LekEJSFfjWlWP8BrUtI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Z5dhDSE7fsQtjJ4blrwRgopZECsOyfmjCThsawVb2ENM5tO+1bLc87UQbLTN471CV yXbxQxm449zmcScEM1YzRLYz6qqeKGfjNqL09VjKlY1j3vjRKvd5SNd61KtQQKA07J gG9nC3PFOqLE5+CchPtidWjmYqd8TllnXelIlpOM= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Fix to ECN section regarding validation (#2113) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c11fdacfa3a_68d3f808ced45bc382885"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 06:35:27 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c11fdacfa3a_68d3f808ced45bc382885 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > @@ -3018,11 +3018,23 @@ elements on the network path, an endpoint verifies the following when an ACK frame is received: I think that we need a little restructuring here. > To reduce the risk of bad ECN markings affecting the operation of an endpoint, an endpoint verifies the counts it receives when it receives new acknowledgements: > > * \[bullets] > > This validation is only performed if the ACK frame increases the largest received packet number. Reordered acknowledgments could have lower counter values and might not be successfully validated as a result. > > These counts might be inflated if acknowledgments are never received for packets that were successfully delivered. If validation succeeds, an endpoint MUST increase its expected counter values to those it receives. Note that I almost didn't use MUST on that last clause, because there is no interop loss from doing that; it only means that validation is less likely to catch bad markings. I also removed the "If the sender does not have state to determine if a packet is newly acknowledged..." Such a packet - such as a packet that is declared lost - will never be considered to be newly acknowledged. Would you like this as a PR? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2113#pullrequestreview-184517682 ----==_mimepart_5c11fdacfa3a_68d3f808ced45bc382885 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3018,11 +3018,23 @@ elements on the network path, an endpoint verifies the following when an ACK
 frame is received:

I think that we need a little restructuring here.

To reduce the risk of bad ECN markings affecting the operation of an endpoint, an endpoint verifies the counts it receives when it receives new acknowledgements:

  • [bullets]

This validation is only performed if the ACK frame increases the largest received packet number. Reordered acknowledgments could have lower counter values and might not be successfully validated as a result.

These counts might be inflated if acknowledgments are never received for packets that were successfully delivered. If validation succeeds, an endpoint MUST increase its expected counter values to those it receives.

Note that I almost didn't use MUST on that last clause, because there is no interop loss from doing that; it only means that validation is less likely to catch bad markings.

I also removed the "If the sender does not have state to determine if a packet is newly acknowledged..." Such a packet - such as a packet that is declared lost - will never be considered to be newly acknowledged.

Would you like this as a PR?

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----==_mimepart_5c11fdacfa3a_68d3f808ced45bc382885-- From nobody Wed Dec 12 22:36:09 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34D93130DC4 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:36:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.842 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.842 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hcPzUaUnJHh3 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:36:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CE9F12875B for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:36:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:36:04 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544682964; bh=kUcEq6y6cbcZeMk19Pu9Ma3LG+MjlDQghlDU6bprppM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=vVaM1uydE7HdYLMc+o+iveZwxrriEZ86r3uhSGbZ29asZPz4uXZHwL8+7+TOALK6Z nOFiX4lgAiiEGSpJ8WRMG/OZFDdTGxZQOB+wuh/OtSMV73k8u4UwRNVudeV4SssNeL 9XSH+5BXVPcgBJrD2jWAZrkJX8Y+bAa7i34FRoa8= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] packet size is header + payload (#2107) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c11fdd4829b5_3b063ff788cd45b456999d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 06:36:07 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c11fdd4829b5_3b063ff788cd45b456999d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merged #2107 into master. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2107#event-2023387632 ----==_mimepart_5c11fdd4829b5_3b063ff788cd45b456999d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Merged #2107 into master.

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----==_mimepart_5c11fdd4829b5_3b063ff788cd45b456999d-- From nobody Wed Dec 12 22:38:17 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28C9C128CFD for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:38:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.459 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.459 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a6ScXkjy437o for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:38:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2282412875B for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:38:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:38:12 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544683092; bh=6qlTo4xMSfRko+ijuII439/FkPso6/4x/UXkee0Ud5I=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Ricy//iXD8PUUVzaaM/7aVD/OevhdTUvJ9nJ84oOx3wJYnZ5DKIdGEl0DLNHl9KPo TWgh/w1rB9oIdaUfp7iEEUa84UdwSZZ9LXLys5d62GZt8PR6TZIMc71/KRKf7oii61 VIEbnwF9sEn1zG6dkZEDWOlg+YDy2b1T8VX9BGRs= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Fix QPACK-04 changelog: add two non-editorial changes (#2102) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c11fe5440e94_22bd3f80436d45b8331031"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 06:38:15 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c11fe5440e94_22bd3f80436d45b8331031 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson requested changes on this pull request. I added the #2005 mention to the -05 changelog. The other fix is a good one. > @@ -1254,7 +1254,9 @@ return controlBuffer, prefixBuffer + streamBuffer ## Since draft-ietf-quic-qpack-03 -Substantial editorial reorganization; no technical changes. +- Avoid having multiple ways to encode Delta Base Index of zero (#2005) Based on the tags on drafts, this change is in -05, not -04. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2102#pullrequestreview-184518165 ----==_mimepart_5c11fe5440e94_22bd3f80436d45b8331031 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@martinthomson requested changes on this pull request.

I added the #2005 mention to the -05 changelog. The other fix is a good one.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -1254,7 +1254,9 @@ return controlBuffer, prefixBuffer + streamBuffer
 
 ## Since draft-ietf-quic-qpack-03
 
-Substantial editorial reorganization; no technical changes.
+- Avoid having multiple ways to encode Delta Base Index of zero (#2005)

Based on the tags on drafts, this change is in -05, not -04.

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Closing based on discussion on the list. I think that we have better ideas.

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Closed #2076.

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@ianswett, are we going to take #2045 instead of this, or do you want to try to fix this up?

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----==_mimepart_5c11ff09a7566_2bd63fae58ed45b8638490-- From nobody Wed Dec 12 22:41:57 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8F0C128CFD for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:41:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l4b54AXYwoRV for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:41:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-12.smtp.github.com (out-12.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 02B9F12875B for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:41:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:41:53 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544683313; bh=HxQwIK2by6JQrErHCprlWdeu+quOVbB2oO7keZG4K74=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=nvAiZAUALG/lRUW/5IyXMD6GWCcnp8dEt44YC2fUmTjOvbuKYx/H/+I940nruWGXB dIrAuaeWHsbRxb0yZBz2iBM/3xcnxg6tnjjx8py43THrK1dl9Sulc6E+Cjo5WWV0Dp lgqwIIabQTy1dNpyLt/2RaD5h3Agk3WwpcnwzIkI= From: plakhera Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QUIC connection migration and IPv6 only NAT64/DNS64 Networks (#2122) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c11ff3133eb9_22933fe97bcd45c04004a5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: plakhera X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 06:41:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c11ff3133eb9_22933fe97bcd45c04004a5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > @plakhera, my comment about addresses local to the client was thinking more about a server which is v4-only won't know how to construct a corresponding IPv6 address for the client network's NAT64. The client would expect to discover those via DNS64 and needn't know that there's a relationship between the addresses. > > Is there precedent for the NAT64 address mapping being (un)done on the client? Server need not know about the DNS64 prefix in client's network. It would only needs to share its addressing information with client. it's the responsibility of the client to synthesize IPv6 address from it if needed (post PLAT discovery). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2122#issuecomment-446859554 ----==_mimepart_5c11ff3133eb9_22933fe97bcd45c04004a5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@plakhera, my comment about addresses local to the client = was thinking more about a server which is v4-only won't know how to const= ruct a corresponding IPv6 address for the client network's NAT64. The cli= ent would expect to discover those via DNS64 and needn't know that there'= s a relationship between the addresses.

Is there precedent for the NAT64 address mapping being (un)done on the= client?

Server need not know about the DNS64 prefix in client's network. It wo= uld only needs to share its addressing information with client. it's the = responsibility of the client to synthesize IPv6 address from it if needed= (post PLAT discovery).

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= ----==_mimepart_5c11ff3133eb9_22933fe97bcd45c04004a5-- From nobody Wed Dec 12 22:44:58 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9D64130FBD for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:44:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UfYexwppdnWY for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:44:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 59898130F94 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:44:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:44:47 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544683487; bh=yZzSGCKbW3ckFWn7YRSjPb0rwGWMjy3XSj2n3ZJAP5I=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=IXQ//MFaXFpMRzxRnaHPEi6Ow840WQtQCiSbGYm54su3zr4kcZWrtJ7fJudLYuWBN diYVKCiq5CtTtZa1tIa6j8mpypoP7lA3rgYX0o7w8/HPsyd1V9COxS9sK3xi+tzfuh 8OJXfGEqdd7gKZPh//PGx26dTzI1XtTU5p84lzAk= From: Benjamin Saunders Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clarify OnAckReceived pseudocode (#2140) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c11ffdf2999c_61603f96f78d45b479206a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: Ralith X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 06:44:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c11ffdf2999c_61603f96f78d45b479206a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I ran into a few points of confusion in the existing code: - The time to update and scope of `largest_acked_packet` is not explicit - `ProcessECN` references elements of `sent_packets` after they are removed by `OnPacketAcked` - `DetectLostPackets` is passed an undefined variable The fixes are trivial, except for the last: it isn't clear to me whether `DetectLostPackets` was intended to be called with `ack.largest_acked` or `largest_acked_packet`. These only differ when ACKs are reordered, and because the prior invocation of `DetectLostPackets` with a higher `largest_acked` would have already deemed lost all packets that the later invocation might deem lost, I don't think the behavior differs even then. Hence, removing the argument and consistently referencing `largest_acked_packet` seems to be the simpler option. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2140 -- Commit Summary -- * Process ECN before forgetting newly acked packets * Clarify use of largest_acked_packet -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (24) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2140.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2140.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2140 ----==_mimepart_5c11ffdf2999c_61603f96f78d45b479206a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I ran into a few points of confusion in the existing code:

  • The time to update and scope of largest_acked_packet is not explicit
  • ProcessECN references elements of sent_packets after they are removed by OnPacketAcked
  • DetectLostPackets is passed an undefined variable

The fixes are trivial, except for the last: it isn't clear to me whether DetectLostPackets was intended to be called with ack.largest_acked or largest_acked_packet. These only differ when ACKs are reordered, and because the prior invocation of DetectLostPackets with a higher largest_acked would have already deemed lost all packets that the later invocation might deem lost, I don't think the behavior differs even then. Hence, removing the argument and consistently referencing largest_acked_packet seems to be the simpler option.

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Commit Summary

  • Process ECN before forgetting newly acked packets
  • Clarify use of largest_acked_packet

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----==_mimepart_5c11ffdf2999c_61603f96f78d45b479206a-- From nobody Wed Dec 12 22:57:21 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A86E12F1AB for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:57:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LgsfbLyU_jAI for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:57:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3660F12875B for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:57:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:57:11 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544684231; bh=3FUtKN3ZhTiCSptfDi+aj9aetYR7NDGQOhOei9HxHNo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=CdXQeRvmcHlMt7SmTNtmgxv+dv9YFkJD2RZJ8PzMXJ6kppPTVHRKvEhjo1rfkGM30 Iz8bG+JN8nNkglgRwnY6P3RG6q/z71Zw0S+H6M9j0qV/5L1vsbZ16RhG3KxgspJdoI wDIA7D4OL8R92cksO5cAd/oaaA1RlFVmZXphz9FQ= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Recommend discarding bad, unauthentication packets (#2141) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c1202c74da29_6d73f808ced45bc959851"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 06:57:15 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c1202c74da29_6d73f808ced45bc959851 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We already have piecemeal recommendations for discarding in certain circumstances, but a blanket allowance for dropping packets will allow endpoints to do all sorts of nice things if they want better DoS resilience. This leaves the existing requirements in place. Some of those are more directly the result of stronger requirements (like the ones against off-path attacks). This is just a license to back out changes that are made as a result of bad packets. Closes #2053. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2141 -- Commit Summary -- * Recommend discarding bad, unauthentication packets -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (6) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2141.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2141.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2141 ----==_mimepart_5c1202c74da29_6d73f808ced45bc959851 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

We already have piecemeal recommendations for discarding in certain circumstances, but a blanket allowance for dropping packets will allow endpoints to do all sorts of nice things if they want better DoS resilience.

This leaves the existing requirements in place. Some of those are more directly the result of stronger requirements (like the ones against off-path attacks). This is just a license to back out changes that are made as a result of bad packets.

Closes #2053.

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  • Recommend discarding bad, unauthentication packets

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----==_mimepart_5c1202c74da29_6d73f808ced45bc959851-- From nobody Wed Dec 12 22:58:12 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16BA012875B for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:58:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.914 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.914 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8E7j3Smslmem for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:58:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 05DFF12F1AB for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:58:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:58:02 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544684282; bh=ZLtZJUu2dwi5s9ubdTKvyVV4x5KJy8j8EVTECMfbcws=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=SRYEg121iRImtKT4J+Eer4lKQFZ2HN/Hu0QT2NHd9SPrKOhNJgZVfLveJ1Os4vdPs j1hjB3lvTAdSnnImcoHZ/RaLqW6p0JFJaOOCCul/JOQIrBIYBrW1IWSPJJ4mZATBXd 6EPFhZ1AB9URxaENxNC43SjMjExiEypfIjRumLO4= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] add whitespace after semicolon in static header table (#1984) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c1202faeab85_291f3fb2894d45c410392ea"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 06:58:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c1202faeab85_291f3fb2894d45c410392ea Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think that we've lost this one. Is anyone going to push for merging this, or should we close it? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1984#issuecomment-446862656 ----==_mimepart_5c1202faeab85_291f3fb2894d45c410392ea Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think that we've lost this one. Is anyone going to push for merging this, or should we close it?

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I think we can get the low-hanging fruit here by having alternate_addr= ess_v4 and alternate_address_v6 transport parameters.

+1. Just that bit by itself (either having two new TPs alternate_addre= ss_v4 or alternate_address_v6 or splitting preferred_address to _v4 and = v6) would help in most cases.

That said, I'm not convinced of how important this is to solve in v1. = This affects only migrations, and then only those that are from networks = on one address family to a different one.

It is increasingly becoming common for cellular carriers to deploy IPv= 6 only NAT64/DNS64 networks, even in countries where ISPs have stayed IPv= 4 only on the CPE, mostly because of differences in how connectivity is a= chieved in two scenarios and the use-cases.
It won't be far fetched to think that this disparity would be widened by = end of next year.

The current limitation introduces legitimate concerns of deploying dua= l stack configuration for services that still desire transport protocol l= evel connection migration support.

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@martinthomson requested changes on this pull request.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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> @@ -720,9 +720,14 @@ Pseudocode for OnAckR=
eceived and UpdateRtt follow:=0D
     // ack-eliciting, update the RTT.=0D
     if (sent_packets[ack.largest_acked] &&=0D
         sent_packets[ack.largest_acked].ack_eliciting):=0D
+      largest_acked_packet =3D ack.largest_acked=0D
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This doesn't work because the largest_acked in the ACK might be newly = acknowledged, but not the largest ever acknowledged.

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-      largest_acked_packet =3D ack.largest_ac=
ked=0D
+      if ack.largest_acked > largest_acked_packet:=0D
+         largest_acked_packet =3D ack.largest_acked=0D
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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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>        latest_rtt =3D now - sent_packets[a=
ck.largest_acked].time=0D
       UpdateRtt(latest_rtt, ack.ack_delay)=0D
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+    // Process ECN information if present.=0D
+    if (ACK frame contains ECN information):=0D
+       ProcessECN(ack)=0D
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This is a separate change. I think that you should make this a separa= te PR.

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It seems like between (a) resolving both address families and potentia= lly preferring the one matching the address family available on your othe= r interface(s) and (b) address synthesis on-device, many of the cases are= covered already.

Most combinations of server configurations and network configurations = work.
What does not is dual stack server deployment and starting on an interfac= e that has ipv6 only Nat64/dns64 connectivity and moving to ipv4 only int= erface.

DNS may be configured for load-balancing itself, so to assume that A r= ecord points to the same node and AAAA record points to may not be correc= t.
Also, as you may be aware, some devices may suppress sending A query alto= gether on an interface that is connected to IPv6 only network (even with = NAT64/DNS64).

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ProcessECN currently accesses members of sent_packets after they are removed by OnPacketAcked.

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  • Process ECN before forgetting newly acked packets

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Split the ProcessECN tweak into #2142, corrected the largest_acked_packet update logic, and added initialization for largest_acked_packet.

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----==_mimepart_5c120663cd084_67523fedd9ad45c4586591-- From nobody Wed Dec 12 23:35:00 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3742E126CC7 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 23:34:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.459 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.459 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dORFPklvlW_Q for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 23:34:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0930F128D0C for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 23:34:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 23:34:55 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544686495; bh=rL0NgSZonxedNzL9sI7FI4CF4qdqsKjNRh6q6Pvxm5U=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=cGijIQIMxI8hujfoCyF+bM1K6nZf77yFTfDprMejg3SoCIWG/awYoM1+q1Ilz4SuD e3j+NvX4h4qUCY20eJseeU9ELzgPhwPCB4wI/ExQOfYVgox1WQ/aDI+N6cXRqqce+G zgKW1eVRtWcS3LHGHPK09pi4B1yHjE6OiL3e71C4= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Recommend discarding bad, unauthentication packets (#2141) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c120b9fe55aa_18d63f80436d45b867974f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 07:34:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c120b9fe55aa_18d63f80436d45b867974f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kazuho commented on this pull request. > @@ -1000,6 +1000,12 @@ to more quickly identify when a connection becomes unusable. Packets that are matched to an existing connection, but for which the endpoint cannot remove packet protection, are discarded. +Invalid packets without packet protection, such as Initial, Retry, or Version +Negotiation, SHOULD be discarded without altering connection state. An endpoint I tend to agree with @marten-seemann. I wonder if we might rather say MAY here (or "can"), because people might wonder what the anticipated behavior is, without the definition of what "invalid" means (does it mean a packet with a broken encoding? or does it mean a frame containing a semantically invalid frame; i.e. ACK containing a PN that was never used); and my understanding is that we do not want to define "invalid." -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2141#pullrequestreview-184530534 ----==_mimepart_5c120b9fe55aa_18d63f80436d45b867974f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1000,6 +1000,12 @@ to more quickly identify when a connection becomes unusable.
 Packets that are matched to an existing connection, but for which the endpoint
 cannot remove packet protection, are discarded.
 
+Invalid packets without packet protection, such as Initial, Retry, or Version
+Negotiation, SHOULD be discarded without altering connection state.  An endpoint

I tend to agree with @marten-seemann. I wonder if we might rather say MAY here (or "can"), because people might wonder what the anticipated behavior is, without the definition of what "invalid" means (does it mean a packet with a broken encoding? or does it mean a frame containing a semantically invalid frame; i.e. ACK containing a PN that was never used); and my understanding is that we do not want to define "invalid."

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1000,6 +1000,12 @@ to more quickly identify when a connection becomes unusable.
 Packets that are matched to an existing connection, but for which the endpoint
 cannot remove packet protection, are discarded.
 
+Invalid packets without packet protection, such as Initial, Retry, or Version
+Negotiation, SHOULD be discarded without altering connection state.  An endpoint

I tend to agree with @marten-seemann. I wonder if we might rather say MAY here (or "can"), because people might wonder what the anticipated behavior is, without the definition of what "invalid" means.

Does it mean a packet with a broken encoding? Or does it mean a frame containing a semantically invalid frame; i.e. ACK containing a PN that was never used?

My understanding is that we do not want to define "invalid", hence the suggestion to use a weaker word.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3018,11 +3018,23 @@ elements on the network path, an endpoint verifies the following when an ACK
 frame is received:

I think the restructuring is fine. On a high level I agree with your removal of the if you are missing state. However, considering some of the discussion on the quicdev slack I do wonder if something along those lines needs to be included to ensure that people are not interpreting this as requiring one to maintain state further into history than what one otherwise would.

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I believe this requires careful analysis on especially possible attacks - some work is already happening elsehere. These are just my immediate suggestions, but I'm sure I'm missing something: - Tokens that pass integrity checks and which have not expired are accepted and require no further path validation, but must be treated as failed integrity checks if reused within a short time frame. (This may not work if a client retries a connection attempt with the same token - so clients can retransmit a packet with a token verbatim, but not reuse it in a new connection attempt - some would retransmit with a higher PN for RTT estimates, but I'm not convinced about this in context of attacks). - Token integrity checks should include verifying that a token was created by the entity controlling the endpoint and that IP matches, but due to replay this is only a minimum requirement. (Since a client can have multiple IP's and both IPv4 and IPv6 on separate paths, I'm not sure it is that simple?). - Tokens that pass integrity checks but have expired either due to a built-in timestamp or due to an old validation key grace period should be treated as a missing token, forcing new path validation. A server might have a grace period for old token keys during rollover, if it still has the old key. - Tokens that fail integrity checks should result in dropped packets unless the server has lost state, in which case it should ignore the token (or perhaps issue a retry if the token is not already a retry token?). - Tokens that cannot be verified due to server upgrade or other loss of context should be treated as a missing token, forcing new path validation, but only for a limited grace period after which they are treated as failed integrity checks. This period may be different for Retry and NEW_TOKEN tokens. If a server does not eventually drop packets with invalid tokens, it is vulnerable to attacks. If it always drops invalid tokens, a client might never be able to connect. (Perhaps a client should be advised to drop all tokens after a few failed connection attempts?). There are probably some simpler underlying formulation that can be used to condense these guidelines. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2132#issuecomment-446885628 ----==_mimepart_5c121a8698301_2bc63fae58ed45b8857897 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

What do you believe are the principles that we should be applying here= ?

I believe this requires careful analysis on especially possible attack= s - some work is already happening elsehere.

These are just my immediate suggestions, but I'm sure I'm missing some= thing:

  • Tokens that pass integrity checks and which have not expired are acce= pted and require no further path validation, but must be treated as faile= d integrity checks if reused within a short time frame. (This may not wor= k if a client retries a connection attempt with the same token - so clien= ts can retransmit a packet with a token verbatim, but not reuse it in a n= ew connection attempt - some would retransmit with a higher PN for RTT es= timates, but I'm not convinced about this in context of attacks).
  • Token integrity checks should include verifying that a token was crea= ted by the entity controlling the endpoint and that IP matches, but due t= o replay this is only a minimum requirement. (Since a client can have mul= tiple IP's and both IPv4 and IPv6 on separate paths, I'm not sure it is t= hat simple?).
  • Tokens that pass integrity checks but have expired either due to a bu= ilt-in timestamp or due to an old validation key grace period should be t= reated as a missing token, forcing new path validation. A server might ha= ve a grace period for old token keys during rollover, if it still has the= old key.
  • Tokens that fail integrity checks should result in dropped packets un= less the server has lost state, in which case it should ignore the token = (or perhaps issue a retry if the token is not already a retry token?).
  • Tokens that cannot be verified due to server upgrade or other loss of= context should be treated as a missing token, forcing new path validatio= n, but only for a limited grace period after which they are treated as fa= iled integrity checks. This period may be different for Retry and NEW_TOK= EN tokens. If a server does not eventually drop packets with invalid toke= ns, it is vulnerable to attacks. If it always drops invalid tokens, a cli= ent might never be able to connect. (Perhaps a client should be advised t= o drop all tokens after a few failed connection attempts?).

There are probably some simpler underlying formulation that can be use= d to condense these guidelines.

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@mikkelfj, perhaps the server generates another token and returns it in a new Retry packet?

Retry can only be done once AFAIR

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Are there any big endian integer encoding besides error codes and TP? I think the compelling case would be if QUIC has NO big endian encoding at all. Otherwise it is a matter of taste.

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I think it should be merged - it is really odd to have this special case based on a sample set that can never claim to cover the world anyway.

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----==_mimepart_5c1221c02e3c7_42ce3fe3b76d45b8996e6-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 01:13:49 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00E21130DCC for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 01:13:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.056 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.056 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F1CduzBgdgnM for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 01:13:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7988C12D7F8 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 01:13:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 01:13:45 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544692425; bh=iYfFNw9ovRPJWFeSnLgTjedKhTG2S+bXYeMqDbE8exU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=DHx5KhInln6byZPjU2c46fio1mQvHMrmB+AIBWKrVfqmzy25/YGh/eL+jNLNaAJRY prvm5QjdIfPujBkgQEV1b/WFdtNWj9jbAdsDgrSdnWDK1bfAJLsVruLer5v4yUx0Rg cV+AzOlQS4RisInRFZIQyqD+OFIzO+xDFcXbLl50= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] How many datagrams can a client send prior to validating the path? (#2135) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c1222c97a7a1_76bd3fcb79ed45c015487f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 09:13:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c1222c97a7a1_76bd3fcb79ed45c015487f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We limit amount of bytes now, not number of packets, no? If we limit the client, it would need to be a rate limit, otherwise it would never be able to connect again later when network conditions improve. I'm not sure it makes sense to have a MUST limit on client, as there can be many deployments types with different attack vectors. DNS might not be in the equation. However, obviously a client should not saturate a link on connection retries. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2135#issuecomment-446895657 ----==_mimepart_5c1222c97a7a1_76bd3fcb79ed45c015487f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

We limit amount of bytes now, not number of packets, no?

If we limit the client, it would need to be a rate limit, otherwise it= would never be able to connect again later when network conditions impro= ve.

I'm not sure it makes sense to have a MUST limit on client, as there c= an be many deployments types with different attack vectors. DNS might not= be in the equation. However, obviously a client should not saturate a li= nk on connection retries.

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We limit amount of bytes now, not number of packets, no?

That's a good point. This is not a reflection attack (unlike the serve= r's packets) and therefore it makes more sense to define a limit using nu= mber of bytes.

If we limit the client, it would need to be a rate limit, otherwise it= would never be able to connect again later when network conditions impro= ve.

IMO it can be a fixed number of bytes that can be transmitted in one R= TO. For example, "a client SHOULD NOT send more than 3 * MTU bytes per ev= ery retransmission timeout, until it receives a packet from a server."

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Packet numbers are big endian. Also, IIRC we discussed about endian in IETF 98 (maybe) and we concluded to use big endian.

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Do we need to describe what we mean by "invalid packets"?

No, the spec defines expected behaviour and deviations from that would be invalid. We are not trying to make partial recovery and we are not trying to convey information in error messages.

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I'm not arguing against big endian per se (well I would, in a separate discussion), but the endianness is a moot point if all encodings are opaque or varint - and it would be nice to sidestep that discussion if there are only a few hold-outs left.

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----==_mimepart_5c1228e715c5f_7c063fab5b0d45bc942b8-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 01:55:18 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1C7612D7F8 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 01:55:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.056 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.056 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SCUq7na8hioL for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 01:55:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B166128D0C for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 01:55:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 01:55:13 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544694913; bh=u3SOPjrsmYrO/dZodL5GBelE+ENca1a9kaLXN+ZetnM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=TT1eAUdfFOFYAo6tnOXU2iIYi1fRTVPn5Gl0/F8B3zRdQGlUMzNNoynmA/h05SkBA tsGL1BUXVHNoOMcnl6/+xCz2235CizF0AzAIy/UQv+NWi4sUBlGRIgMaO2usnVKnxr FCTrL8EZdiA/bh3HYpmn5ifluno744f6zv0SbGQg= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] How long idle is idle? (#2138) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c122c81b1c43_4d743f8a1eed45bc343493"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 09:55:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c122c81b1c43_4d743f8a1eed45bc343493 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I did propose an exponential decay in some other issue and added a link to some TCP RFC 2861 and research that touches upon this. https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2023#discussion_r235152230 -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2138#issuecomment-446908408 ----==_mimepart_5c122c81b1c43_4d743f8a1eed45bc343493 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I did propose an exponential decay in some other issue and added a link to some TCP RFC 2861 and research that touches upon this.
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Also note that a client with multiple addresses may have a problem with 0-RTT tokens that are fixed to a single path, i.e. client gets a token for IPv4 and but later uses it on IPv6.

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@janaiyengar I dont't necessarily have problem with 3RT= O here, but I don't see it in the doc. Can you point me to where it is?

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@ekr commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1000,6 +1000,12 @@ to more quickly identify when a connection becomes unusable.
 Packets that are matched to an existing connection, but for which the endpoint
 cannot remove packet protection, are discarded.
 
+Invalid packets without packet protection, such as Initial, Retry, or Version
+Negotiation, SHOULD be discarded without altering connection state.  An endpoint

I'm not sure this is generally a good idea. Consider the case where we have a packet with two frames. (1) a perfectly legitimate stream frame (2) a frame that is misformatted but generally parseable and doesn't otherwise require connection termination. Why is the sensible procedure here to (a) keep the connection alive but (b) ignore the stream data?

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -1254,7 +1254,9 @@ return controlBuffer, prefixBuffer + streamBuffer
 
 ## Since draft-ietf-quic-qpack-03
 
-Substantial editorial reorganization; no technical changes.
+- Avoid having multiple ways to encode Delta Base Index of zero (#2005)

Fixed. Thanks, @martinthomson!

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(#2143) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c12616fb271a_26de3fb691ed45b811962b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1RnBbXTVgmoK+355imhNM/UdoJmVm+jNc3c+ MLhtuI63Nh1dcc6N6c+zytsfELXyVVUi0wpmdyeUJvvr0kLojprFTcRo+7mC1V+3mbsU+g4hbtwsxK bdWBpr3bkz4TA5qG2JvHYaODtZpZ1h0zmmmgw6TH1TolmPGPBygjg4bfrA== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 13:41:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c12616fb271a_26de3fb691ed45b811962b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been reading through the migration mechanism and it seems to me that assuming that a packet from a given IP address is evidence of migration creates a pretty easy DoS attack from an on-path attacker. Consider the case where we have a quiescent connection between A and B and an on-path attacker and then B sends a packet to A. In the diagram below, the notation [X:Y]: Z -> means a packet with a source addr of A, a dest addr of B, and a payload of Z A Attacker (Z) B <- [B:A]: Data <- [B:A]: Data [A:B]: ACK -> [Z:B]: ACK -> X <- [B:Z]: Data X <- [B:Z]: Probe As long as A doesn't try to send a data packet, B will continue to think that A is at Z for the duration of the validation timer (currently 3 RTO?) [0]. That's not the worst thing in the world, but it's a pretty good cost/benefit for an on-path attacker who only has to forge one packet; I'm not sure that that's a great design tradeoff for a protocol where we're otherwise trying to stop on-path attacker from interfering with the connection after the handshake completes. The reason this works is the receipt of a packet from addr X is a trigger for abandoning the previous path and trying migration. Another time this can happen is at the tail of a client transmission, though that will presumably recover faster. At a high level, it seems like there are two major types of migration: 1. Unknown migration (e.g., NAT re-binding) 2. Known migration (e.g., transferring from WiFi to 3G) In the latter case, we can have the client give notice that it's migrating, even if it doesn't know it's visible IP address, and have the server refuse to change peer addresses unless it sees that indication, so it's just the former case we have to deal with, and as above. The present design does that but at the cost of creating the situation above. I wonder if we should be more conservative about initiating migration. I don't have a fully worked out proposal, but here are some ideas: - Send packets to both the original and new addresses during the validation period. - If you receive an apparent migration that looks like a rebinding (e.g., same address, different port) within X seconds of a previous packet, then probe first (or in parallel as above). - Have the client send some packet that indicates it thinks it's migrating (this seems tricky to get right) [0] Note that if we were to allow migration on the client and the server, even worse attacks are possible. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2143 ----==_mimepart_5c12616fb271a_26de3fb691ed45b811962b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I've been reading through the migration mechanism and it seems to me
that assuming that a packet from a given IP address is evidence of
migration creates a pretty easy DoS attack from an on-path attacker.
Consider the case where we have a quiescent connection between A and B
and an on-path attacker and then B sends a packet to A.

In the diagram below, the notation [X:Y]: Z -> means a packet with a
source addr of A, a dest addr of B, and a payload of Z

A Attacker (Z) B

                                     <- [B:A]: Data
                 <- [B:A]: Data

[A:B]: ACK ->
[Z:B]: ACK ->

                                   X <- [B:Z]: Data
                                   X <- [B:Z]: Probe

As long as A doesn't try to send a data packet, B will continue to
think that A is at Z for the duration of the validation timer
(currently 3 RTO?) [0]. That's not the worst thing in the world, but
it's a pretty good cost/benefit for an on-path attacker who only has
to forge one packet; I'm not sure that that's a great design tradeoff
for a protocol where we're otherwise trying to stop on-path attacker
from interfering with the connection after the handshake completes.

The reason this works is the receipt of a packet from addr X is a
trigger for abandoning the previous path and trying migration. Another
time this can happen is at the tail of a client transmission,
though that will presumably recover faster.

At a high level, it seems like there are two major types of
migration:

  1. Unknown migration (e.g., NAT re-binding)
  2. Known migration (e.g., transferring from WiFi to 3G)

In the latter case, we can have the client give notice that it's
migrating, even if it doesn't know it's visible IP address, and have
the server refuse to change peer addresses unless it sees that
indication, so it's just the former case we have to deal with, and as
above. The present design does that but at the cost of creating the
situation above.

I wonder if we should be more conservative about initiating migration.
I don't have a fully worked out proposal, but here are some ideas:

  • Send packets to both the original and new addresses during the
    validation period.

  • If you receive an apparent migration that looks like a rebinding
    (e.g., same address, different port) within X seconds of a previous
    packet, then probe first (or in parallel as above).

  • Have the client send some packet that indicates it thinks it's
    migrating (this seems tricky to get right)

[0] Note that if we were to allow migration on the client and the
server, even worse attacks are possible.

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My thinking was that the initial CWND was a sufficient limit.

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----==_mimepart_5c1266c537ff9_27463f7eed8d45b84247f1-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 06:10:39 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07D791252B7 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 06:10:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.459 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.459 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yTPjVJuEkEZF for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 06:10:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC7F5124408 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 06:10:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 06:10:35 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544710235; bh=yR8k/RFqXbOxt4FRECvweMcQMrCP5LnGINsevWr30pA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=YbCGFwzbn+f1kteH2/Tz0fmUeNPV/NZhYuzwIdZDBNNsQRtdyfGNf6DQGWJrvGJm5 Nzkd4M7t/JLbLGj7rdqk7qUcFR2YeXVhlkQlSkntS5SZO2/5//H7ecpYLmBUzYDhy7 wHwVTaKGe16umTUXGGAbjZjFSZknQ8asBnNVxJDw= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Be more conservative about migration? (#2143) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c12685b7192_50c53ff949ed45b831535"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 14:10:38 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c12685b7192_50c53ff949ed45b831535 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When you say on-path, do you mean observer? I.e. with the ability to race a packet, or to drop or replace a packet. I suppose a race will not be successful in this attack. So the effectiveness on the attack builds on it being cheaper to confuse the connection rather than to actively drop packets. I'm not sure that is a strong case for additional complexity. However, a related attack might be used for amplification attacks by changing the IP to that of the indented victim. Attacks that can be instigated by observers are much more severe because they are far easier to achieve, especially undetected. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2143#issuecomment-446981296 ----==_mimepart_5c12685b7192_50c53ff949ed45b831535 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

When you say on-path, do you mean observer? I.e. with the ability to r= ace a packet, or to drop or replace a packet.

I suppose a race will not be successful in this attack.

So the effectiveness on the attack builds on it being cheaper to confu= se the connection rather than to actively drop packets. I'm not sure that= is a strong case for additional complexity. However, a related attack mi= ght be used for amplification attacks by changing the IP to that of the i= ndented victim.

Attacks that can be instigated by observers are much more severe becau= se they are far easier to achieve, especially undetected.

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The intent is this is triggered after an idle period of any length. As = it says in the draft, the reason is to limit bursts into the network.

It turns out bursting 100 packets at once into the network almost always= causes losses, and two solutions are pacing and resetting the CWND to a lo= wer value out of idle and allowing ack-clocking to smooth the flow.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1000,6 +1000,12 @@ to more quickly identify when a connection becomes unusable.
 Packets that are matched to an existing connection, but for which the endpoint
 cannot remove packet protection, are discarded.
 
+Invalid packets without packet protection, such as Initial, Retry, or Version
+Negotiation, SHOULD be discarded without altering connection state.  An endpoint

Initials are the only packets on the list with multiple frames, and they are AES-GCM encrypted, so an invalid frame indicates a buggy peer or an injection attack. In both cases parsing part of the packet seems unwise.

Also, if you only process one frame, do you ACK that packet?

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To prevent a race from being successful the probe needs to checksum th= e visible address and have that checksum be reflected back by the client = rather than just ACK'ing the probe. Once the reflected checksum is seen t= he path must be valid.

For true on path, the attacker can drop packets from client to server = to maintain the illusion of a different client address, but then the prob= e will never be reflected correctly. It will eventually time out.

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No that is not sufficient. The attacker can just race the reflected probe checksum.

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@ekr commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1000,6 +1000,12 @@ to more quickly identify when a connection becomes unusable.
 Packets that are matched to an existing connection, but for which the endpoint
 cannot remove packet protection, are discarded.
 
+Invalid packets without packet protection, such as Initial, Retry, or Version
+Negotiation, SHOULD be discarded without altering connection state.  An endpoint

@ianswett what's our rule here for the same defective packet if it were received protected?

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By the way can you please add "-qpack" label to this PR and to #2115? Thanks.

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And by #2115 I of course meant #2134.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1000,6 +1000,12 @@ to more quickly identify when a connection becomes unusable.
 Packets that are matched to an existing connection, but for which the endpoint
 cannot remove packet protection, are discarded.
 
+Invalid packets without packet protection, such as Initial, Retry, or Version
+Negotiation, SHOULD be discarded without altering connection state.  An endpoint

I'm not Ian ... but you can't close a connection on valid AEAD but i'll formatted content unless you have advanced the handshake sufficiently due to injection attacks. There is explicit text for a variety of cases already. The current PR covers the rest.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1000,6 +1000,12 @@ to more quickly identify when a connection becomes unusable.
 Packets that are matched to an existing connection, but for which the endpoint
 cannot remove packet protection, are discarded.
 
+Invalid packets without packet protection, such as Initial, Retry, or Version
+Negotiation, SHOULD be discarded without altering connection state.  An endpoint

@mikkelfj well, that's exactly what we're discussing. And given that we don't have a threat model for this class of attack, I'm not sure that that's true at all.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1000,6 +1000,12 @@ to more quickly identify when a connection becomes unusable.
 Packets that are matched to an existing connection, but for which the endpoint
 cannot remove packet protection, are discarded.
 
+Invalid packets without packet protection, such as Initial, Retry, or Version
+Negotiation, SHOULD be discarded without altering connection state.  An endpoint

When I say can't close, I mean you should drop packets. Or close if you already affected state as the PR says - even if injection because you can no longer trust yourself - therefore you need to validate carefully before applying state, especially during handshake. You definitely shouldn't try to recover.

That said, perhaps we need to clarify exactly when we switch from dropping to closing. You need to have established a secure line of communication. Bogus TLS can be injection attacks as well as endpoint sourced nonsense.

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@martinthomson, yes, I am happy with this one.

Right now we also have step 2.5: "If the means you used in step 2 did = not include X, we recommended that you throw out the packet."

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=0D = ----==_mimepart_5c128e16dec61_7d0b3fb97b4d45bc27882b-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 09:27:39 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5CA3130DFA for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 09:27:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.056 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.056 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LVqHvIpS6vSD for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 09:27:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B6D18130E04 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 09:27:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 09:27:34 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544722054; bh=sJdIw2RovuI+DfWIbDMi0z6xKTeZWblHYr0DZt4MfO8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=yvhcYgJSLtTog2xYYXEqBP1vbVr4OhD1nqs/mwGJP9NCZM7H3kHFdMV3olzyGjob9 IuSGXfengSYPjkIhybQSVYf8daae7dCu+py2WNkz9AXVLAm9BEhveqENuXKynalNZO ilHXdYUgQX602vBQ1rgiaf5eNN2jAo4uk0Rkq2PQ= From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP: Limit priority state before stream is opened (#2144) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c12968662fdb_160b3fe8a74d45c01837a2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 17:27:38 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c12968662fdb_160b3fe8a74d45c01837a2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RFC 7540 [discusses priority state management](https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7540#section-5.3.4) at some length, especially what to do with priority information after a stream is closed. In addition to this, in HTTP/3, we have to deal with priority information before a stream is opened. That is: just how large is the tree allowed to grow before the referenced streams' frames begin to come in? The draft should provide some recommendations. I can think of two ways to do limit this "front-loaded" state: 1. Open the stream with a _PRIORITY_ frame referencing it arrives on the control stream. This will invoke the stream limit checks. 2. Limit number of priority entries to number -- perhaps a function of the total number of maximum unidirectional and bidirectional streams. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2144 ----==_mimepart_5c12968662fdb_160b3fe8a74d45c01837a2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

RFC 7540 discusses priority state management at some length, especially what to do with priority information after a stream is closed.

In addition to this, in HTTP/3, we have to deal with priority information before a stream is opened. That is: just how large is the tree allowed to grow before the referenced streams' frames begin to come in?

The draft should provide some recommendations.

I can think of two ways to do limit this "front-loaded" state:

  1. Open the stream with a PRIORITY frame referencing it arrives on the control stream. This will invoke the stream limit checks.
  2. Limit number of priority entries to number -- perhaps a function of the total number of maximum unidirectional and bidirectional streams.

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----==_mimepart_5c12968662fdb_160b3fe8a74d45c01837a2-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 09:59:17 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 976E2130E04 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 09:59:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4MnsnzIM6NFX for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 09:59:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 045ED1200B3 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 09:59:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 09:59:12 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544723952; bh=6QfrF47mZKyyQH44a+ssxHii/uoffVXcoN7AVKh9MDQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=hkw0OTYVOjlOdxdgFPnJllf0+eTgRanYb7wqHYuRsxuzg9VcgVmBPqbOqC4mp0Gkc kYq28X467P92tI80LAk5GuM+7ZIqHYDKilRbWD8CGlwIEWvk7iCAaZs6krYzVcvrxe QF44IFzZoSZuViEICdXcUSfn5ZMzoD2X+OstXqEo= From: David Schinazi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QUIC connection migration and IPv6 only NAT64/DNS64 Networks (#2122) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c129df0ba275_54a53ffc3d6d45c45909e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DavidSchinazi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 17:59:16 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c129df0ba275_54a53ffc3d6d45c45909e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree with @plakhera , this is an important issue, and will be increasingly common as more cellular carriers switch to IPv6-only. At Google we've been seeing some number of as-yet unexplained connection migration failures, and our working hypothesis is address family mismatch. I think this does work with the concept of `preferred_address`. If a QUIC server deployment uses anycast IPs for initial packets then asks the client to switch to an address that uniquely identifies this server, why constrain the client to one address family? If the client used a variant of Happy Eyeballs, it could have ended up connecting using IPv4 even though it prefers IPv6. Sending both address families in `preferred_address` allows the client to switch back to the best address family. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2122#issuecomment-447062473 ----==_mimepart_5c129df0ba275_54a53ffc3d6d45c45909e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I agree with @plakhera , this is an important issue, and = will be increasingly common as more cellular carriers switch to IPv6-only= . At Google we've been seeing some number of as-yet unexplained connectio= n migration failures, and our working hypothesis is address family mismat= ch. I think this does work with the concept of preferred_address. If a QUIC server deployment uses anycast IPs for initial packets th= en asks the client to switch to an address that uniquely identifies this = server, why constrain the client to one address family? If the client use= d a variant of Happy Eyeballs, it could have ended up connecting using IP= v4 even though it prefers IPv6. Sending both address families in pr= eferred_address allows the client to switch back to the best addre= ss family.

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activity correlated if their peers keep using the same destination connection ID
after migration. Endpoints that receive packets with a previously unused
Destination Connection ID SHOULD change to sending packets with a connection ID
that has not been used on any other network path.  The goal here is to ensure
that packets sent on different paths cannot be correlated. To fulfill this
privacy requirement, endpoints that initiate migration and use connection IDs
with length greater than zero SHOULD provide their peers with new connection IDs
before migration.

Caution:

: If both endpoints change connection ID in response to seeing a change in
  connection ID from their peer, then this can trigger an infinite sequence of
  changes.

I don't remember this being what we agreed, and it's not necessary. You only need to change when you see a new path, not after a new CID. That's how we got rid of counting to infinity.

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The following text is kind of hard to track:

time after it accepts a connection.  If this packet contains a PATH_CHALLENGE
frame, the server sends a PATH_RESPONSE frame as per {{migrate-validate}}.  The
server MAY send other non-probing frames from its preferred address, but MUST
continue sending all probing packets from its original IP address.

The server SHOULD also initiate path validation of the client using its
preferred address and the address from which it received the client probe.  This
helps to guard against spurious migration initiated by an attacker.

I'm not really following what's going on here. The server knows that it has two addresses and it wants to use its preferred address. Why does it have to probe from its preferred address. Also, I don't understand how these two paragraphs work together. The first one says you have to send probing packets from your original address but the second paragraph tells you to probe from the preferrd address.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  - Define DUPLICATE_PUSH frame to refer to another PUSH_PROMISE (#2072)
 - Set defaults for settings, allow request before receiving SETTINGS (#1809,
   #1846, #2038)
 - Clarify message processing rules for streams that aren't closed (#1972, #2003)
-- Removed reservation of error code 0 (#1922)
+- Removed reservation of error code 0 and moved HTTP_NO_ERROR to this value
+  (#1922)
+- Removed prohibition of zero-length DATA frames (#2098)

The change in PR #2098 was reverted.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  - Define DUPLICATE_PUSH frame to refer to another PUSH_PROMISE (#2072)
 - Set defaults for settings, allow request before receiving SETTINGS (#1809,
   #1846, #2038)
 - Clarify message processing rules for streams that aren't closed (#1972, #2003)
-- Removed reservation of error code 0 (#1922)
+- Removed reservation of error code 0 and moved HTTP_NO_ERROR to this value
+  (#1922)
+- Removed prohibition of zero-length DATA frames (#2098)

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ``` An endpoint MAY transition from the closing period to the draining period if it can confirm that its peer is also closing or draining. Receiving a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame is sufficient confirmation, as is receiving a stateless reset. ``` This doesn't seem implementable without a list of all the things that were sufficient. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2147 ----==_mimepart_5c12b31e33155_6b543fe6c16d45c410484d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 
An endpoint MAY transition from the closing period to the draining period if it
can confirm that its peer is also closing or draining.  Receiving a
CONNECTION_CLOSE frame is sufficient confirmation, as is receiving a stateless
reset.

This doesn't seem implementable without a list of all the things that
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Disposing of connection state prior to the end of the closing or draining period
could cause delayed or reordered packets to be handled poorly.  Endpoints that
have some alternative means to ensure that late-arriving packets on the
connection do not create QUIC state, such as those that are able to close the
UDP socket, MAY use an abbreviated draining period which can allow for faster
resource recovery.  Servers that retain an open socket for accepting new
connections SHOULD NOT exit the closing or draining period early.

I'm not following why in general this would create state. If the
handshake has occurred > MSL ago, and you just refuse to create state
on short packets with unknown CIDs s, why isn't that enough?

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Each endpoint advertises its own idle timeout to its peer. The idle timeout
starts from the last packet received.  In order to ensure that initiating new
activity postpones an idle timeout, an endpoint restarts this timer when sending
a packet.  An endpoint does not postpone the idle timeout if another packet has
been sent containing frames other than ACK or PADDING, and that other packet has
not been acknowledged or declared lost.  Packets that contain only ACK or
PADDING frames are not acknowledged until an endpoint has other frames to send,
so they could prevent the timeout from being refreshed.

I find this pretty hard to read, but assuming I am reading it corectly,
it basically says that if you read any packet or write any packet that
has a frame other than ACK or padding, then you reset the timer. The text
about "other packet has not been acknowledged or lost" doesn't make sense
unless you have some very complicated timer scheme, because the packet
won't be acknowledge or lost until after it is sent, at which point I
have already reset the timer.

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The value for an idle timeout can be asymmetric.  The value advertised by an
endpoint is only used to determine whether the connection is live at that
endpoint.  An endpoint that sends packets near the end of the idle timeout
period of a peer risks having those packets discarded if its peer enters the
draining state before the packets arrive.  If a peer could timeout within an RTO
(see Section 5.3.3 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}), it is advisable to test for liveness
before sending any data that cannot be retried safely.

What data can and cannot be retried safely?

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CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a 1-RTT packet.  Prior to connection establishment a
peer might not have 1-RTT keys, so endpoints SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames
in a Handshake packet.  If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, or it is
not certain that the peer has Handshake keys, it MAY send CONNECTION_CLOSE
frames in an Initial packet.  If multiple packets are sent, they can be
coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission.```

Isn't the rule here that you always send it in the highest level?

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@janaiyengar approved this pull request.

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A minor nit, but this is a nice cleanup. Thanks! I'll approve, but @ia= nswett should take a look as well.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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 ACK frame.=0D
+: The largest packet number acknowledged in the connection so far.=0D
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An endpoint detects a potential stateless reset when a packet with a short
header either cannot be decrypted or is marked as a duplicate packet.  The
endpoint then compares the last 16 bytes of the packet with the Stateless Reset
Token provided by its peer, either in a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame or the server's
transport parameters.  If these values are identical, the endpoint MUST enter
the draining period and not send any further packets on this connection.  If the
comparison fails, the packet can be discarded.

Why does the text mandate this order? You need a constant time comparison in any case.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  - Define DUPLICATE_PUSH frame to refer to another PUSH_PROMISE (#2072)
 - Set defaults for settings, allow request before receiving SETTINGS (#1809,
   #1846, #2038)
 - Clarify message processing rules for streams that aren't closed (#1972, #2003)
-- Removed reservation of error code 0 (#1922)
+- Removed reservation of error code 0 and moved HTTP_NO_ERROR to this value
+  (#1922)
+- Removed prohibition of zero-length DATA frames (#2098)

I reverted the change in definition of zero, but I kept the un-prohibition of sending zero-length frames. There seemed to be clear agreement that this was a preference, and there's no technical reason to prohibit it.

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----==_mimepart_5c12b7f015784_7e353fe8ccad45b8212461-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 11:50:40 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01653130E68 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 11:50:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.842 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.842 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qlj9OCPqh007 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 11:50:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 33C17130E67 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 11:50:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 11:50:35 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544730635; bh=JsC96uNADZPRiu4BKneLVkfJkUe10ufzV0MsIxQ7Wbw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=HN4wwEvR+Srj76qEeA3i+1XIHPLPXLjwhx/o/zVZNgZAMBXSAqI2FKk30RUGcVUpI qvNC9ZVuKpolwhd81QvNBRtYq6fcJKYrctgwVqdxdL9AfhwubRziy9i4ipX8Vs8IJ9 1I86Fm5wr/c29nqUcVFxZ4HDIu1CYqItYJrQr0Bk= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Don't change CID on peer CID change (#2145) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c12b80b382e6_40fb3fcb8b2d45c41995b1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 19:50:38 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c12b80b382e6_40fb3fcb8b2d45c41995b1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not sure it is always well-defined when you are on a new path and you risk accidental linkage. I believe this was the thinking behind this. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2145#issuecomment-447097901 ----==_mimepart_5c12b80b382e6_40fb3fcb8b2d45c41995b1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'm not sure it is always well-defined when you are on a new path and you risk accidental linkage. I believe this was the thinking behind this.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  - Define DUPLICATE_PUSH frame to refer to another PUSH_PROMISE (#2072)
 - Set defaults for settings, allow request before receiving SETTINGS (#1809,
   #1846, #2038)
 - Clarify message processing rules for streams that aren't closed (#1972, #2003)
-- Removed reservation of error code 0 (#1922)
+- Removed reservation of error code 0 and moved HTTP_NO_ERROR to this value
+  (#1922)
+- Removed prohibition of zero-length DATA frames (#2098)

Oh. Sorry for the noise.

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----==_mimepart_5c12b9733f5b1_246b3ffd8c6d45c4770ab-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 12:02:47 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3FA2130E78 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 12:02:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4yEYCbCSzeET for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 12:02:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D5A1130E68 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 12:02:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 12:02:41 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544731361; bh=cbvSGsLmbC7a7UEyD3PVKsxijWNER5TfMAKkGtmxXU8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=azNAbIIaWd5PEN7t63kmSB+UjBug4kifXCfyiimcEKbafilvFk4CSF5w4OvetNHVK JgBceS40s7qOEjlj0Mn6vSViz3kJXakS6aV8WP4a5tDDtcoOjDZjeaMbBS2NZbfIJE eLhvnRaoodvrJV2dDl/vS9Z8XiEdQv+hHy5jz78A= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QUIC connection migration and IPv6 only NAT64/DNS64 Networks (#2122) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c12bae121b9b_3a343fb001cd45c4110856"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 20:02:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c12bae121b9b_3a343fb001cd45c4110856 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As @janaiyengar noted, the current semantics of `preferred_address` are not quite what you're looking for, though -- this is a set of other addresses the server could be reached over at need, not a server's request to attempt an immediate switch to one of them. I could see changing the structure and semantics such that the server sends a list of "equivalent" addresses and perhaps indicates one of them as preferred. I'm hesitant to try pulling this into v1 at this point, but I'll also acknowledge that `preferred_address` in particular hasn't seen a lot of deployment experience. A change driven by issues with doing that in the real world might be a reasonable argument. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2122#issuecomment-447101809 ----==_mimepart_5c12bae121b9b_3a343fb001cd45c4110856 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

As @janaiyengar noted, the current semantics of p= referred_address are not quite what you're looking for, though -- = this is a set of other addresses the server could be reached over at need= , not a server's request to attempt an immediate switch to one of them.

I could see changing the structure and semantics such that the server = sends a list of "equivalent" addresses and perhaps indicates one of them = as preferred. I'm hesitant to try pulling this into v1 at this point, bu= t I'll also acknowledge that preferred_address in particular= hasn't seen a lot of deployment experience. A change driven by issues w= ith doing that in the real world might be a reasonable argument.

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You're right, that last restriction in the first paragraph looks backw= ards. IIRC, it's supposed to be a reiteration of the fact that the clien= t decides when to actually cut over, so the server shouldn't be sending n= on-probing packets from the preferred address until the client starts sen= ding them there.

This is section 9.6.2 of Transport.

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I'm not sure the order is (intended to be) normative. An SR looks lik= e a junk packet that you would otherwise drop, either because it doesn't = match a known connection by CID, or because it happens to match a known C= ID (zero-length helps) but gives a whacko packet number compared to the c= onnection state, or because the packet number looks reasonable but the MA= C is bad.

In those situations, you then have to decide whether it's just junk or= actually a SR. So the order is what we expect a logical implementation = would do, but not necessarily required. Can you propose better explanato= ry text for that?

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IIRC, @ekr is correct; we agreed to do this on peer address chan= ge.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

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>  - Define DUPLICATE_PUSH frame to refer to=
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 - Set defaults for settings, allow request before receiving SETTINGS (#1=
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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  - Define DUPLICATE_PUSH frame to refer to another PUSH_PROMISE (#2072)
 - Set defaults for settings, allow request before receiving SETTINGS (#1809,
   #1846, #2038)
 - Clarify message processing rules for streams that aren't closed (#1972, #2003)
-- Removed reservation of error code 0 (#1922)
+- Removed reservation of error code 0 and moved HTTP_NO_ERROR to this value
+  (#1922)
+- Removed prohibition of zero-length DATA frames (#2098)

Ah, right. Thanks for reverting my change @MikeBishop :-)

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----==_mimepart_5c12c2554fa13_44833ffc5ead45b811063e-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 12:37:14 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A611D130E82 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 12:37:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.842 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.842 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MkRLmlnxMYNM for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 12:37:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1109B130E8E for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 12:37:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 12:37:09 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544733429; bh=tDgtbrpWNwyX2LxnbXAKXWRQMl2C3zs8RqSfzjb7XTQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=RLw7K7fkXr9SYDRWzFI2RRQGGlcYetdLq9+V6VpaZc43dKsB087zlbdxeIN0iHExk 5lgYDECOoQgX1EZAtyhkCXPnyOMNqKZljl/1RyXZrWurVF04J3mfGLAAGXagP5C6v+ 8U1RVXAVBYMLTUo1brkCnbyW2fz9OHOwENv/7A6k= From: Igor Lubashev Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clarify ICMP PTB message validation (#2109) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c12c2f5a09a0_11e13fbf824d45b418428c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: igorlord X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 20:37:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c12c2f5a09a0_11e13fbf824d45b418428c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok, I've pushed an update that simplifies and clarifies ICMP PTB validation along the lines discussed. (I'll create a separate PR for disallowing ICMP PTB that increase PMTU -- something that got missed here I believe.) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2109#issuecomment-447112161 ----==_mimepart_5c12c2f5a09a0_11e13fbf824d45b418428c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Ok, I've pushed an update that simplifies and clarifies ICMP PTB validation along the lines discussed.

(I'll create a separate PR for disallowing ICMP PTB that increase PMTU -- something that got missed here I believe.)

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The token is logically tied to the original CID. It is only valid in the= context of that original connection. The client can repeat the second (ret= ry) Initial packet, but it cannot reuse the token in a new connection attem= pt with a new CID. If the connection fails, the new attempt will have to st= art from scratch.

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(#2153) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c12c72dd9e83_65b03fbf65ad45bc5148fa"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 20:55:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c12c72dd9e83_65b03fbf65ad45bc5148fa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ``` An endpoint can increase the odds that a packet will trigger a Stateless Reset if it cannot be processed by padding it to at least 38 bytes. ``` Why does this increase the odds? 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An endpoint can increase the odds that a packet will trigger a Stateless Reset
if it cannot be processed by padding it to at least 38 bytes.

Why does this increase the odds? It seems like the test here is deterministic.

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----==_mimepart_5c12c72dd9e83_65b03fbf65ad45bc5148fa-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 12:55:45 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35AB5130E9B for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 12:55:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.914 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.914 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q62or9oSDPHL for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 12:55:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 061E6130E93 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 12:55:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=neeK0e1LX3dJKGSGr/QhBCmyZOo=; b=qmobNPZNNufa5Jfp 9A5MO/d8jP5z5K1c8kzuJ+GxogSgfcwCtMaPZxiPqQ5ecaiywxGbV8VcM05Yq0ui mnNvFmINHSNq4rzWrp5SM0wwn6Vka60wL9qeR8tRIGmKJEpdeD6loNTnygqXegpd 2ucje2Zcz0a8+6DcvmBvzKLXaLM= Received: by filter0511p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0511p1iad2-5913-5C12C74C-2D 2018-12-13 20:55:40.35169167 +0000 UTC m=+10446.558294223 Received: from github-lowworker-97d0962.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.41]) by ismtpd0033p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id pgp5o6t2QJiIM4AbQ2wV1A for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 20:55:40.339 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-97d0962.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5137A8000B for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 12:55:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 20:55:40 +0000 (UTC) From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Idempotent frames? (#2154) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c12c74c4c9c9_29e33fcadb0d45b83577e0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1kPxMG5/9DcRkPHAWcU9x1FGyVkgOvmgaceU oAsd2Q45rx534ZVZrd1IyPb8z0Lomt6XX/5JixSQmY2rlGcujhq8vb6zU4n26uFAoPJrTmZp0mIlTY aIG4VHa6ptZ0z5ArCH39bIyEwWB3koW5wb59ELfojGqyBeKoC2eLXKYzWA== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 20:55:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c12c74c4c9c9_29e33fcadb0d45b83577e0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ``` All QUIC frames are idempotent. That is, a valid frame does not cause undesirable side effects or errors when received more than once. ``` Is this just a statement about this spec or a normative requirement on future specs? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2154 ----==_mimepart_5c12c74c4c9c9_29e33fcadb0d45b83577e0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 
All QUIC frames are idempotent.  That is, a valid frame does not cause
undesirable side effects or errors when received more than once.

Is this just a statement about this spec or a normative requirement
on future specs?

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encoded as a single byte with the value 0x07.  An endpoint MUST treat the
receipt of a frame type that uses a longer encoding than necessary as a
connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.

Why does this requirement exist? It seems like an odd place to be
picky when we're generally allowing implementations to do unusual
things without requiring checking. To be clear, I'm fine with the
shortest encoding rule, but the must check seems unnecessary
and inconvenient.

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The current text in S 13.3.2 and other places implies that if my
endpoint can access ECN information, it is required to do so and
use ACK ECN. This doesn't match my memory of the consensus, which
was that ECN support was strictly optional. If people think there
was consensus to the contrary, I'd appreciate a pointer. Otherwise
this should be changed. I can supply a PR on request.

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It is not an invariant.

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Reopened #2063.

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----==_mimepart_5c12c83019e5_4c0a3fca9aad45b833962f-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 12:59:39 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 069A1130E9F for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 12:59:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.842 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.842 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A1A6tTyehGd1 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 12:59:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from o5.sgmail.github.com (o5.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 43DA0130E9B for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 12:59:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=4A9HbkP97KC64iwrMIClMzpZGXo=; b=gIi01QDAtTJ/4VcO ewFU8bRRDSrhbM10HSltfgx6bVfMW09M0YZNsuVOL7C8aC6DWJocN5wpo+9TSDyL LWGaduF56WD0hspCZHcUsT6kHjaNfnDhUDM0DO6jtGk5Ben96i9PMkBWKoJwkhvp iZjOdW3NIkE6QmJB6VY3knnZtwY= Received: by filter0628p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0628p1iad2-13674-5C12C82F-4 2018-12-13 20:59:27.087508912 +0000 UTC m=+250772.451094472 Received: from github-lowworker-e51511d.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.34]) by ismtpd0015p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id C0Tmyr5lS1qZ8BzTRs2ttg for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 20:59:27.126 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-e51511d.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14AD580032 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 12:59:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 20:59:27 +0000 (UTC) From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ICMP DOS (#2063) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c12c82f1260f_6c083fb5f54d45b43208fc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0TZAIQlP+RE/dxx+lg7r8RBY6gTheAheBKzU cgDtAzt45eKLfesp8e3G8/rRaVkmBfOQhYxWEL3CmDkpUv934p/J2jBfb63Ex5+e3AkN6TQcO+LI2M r818jx/5MUWzObjzG1GwAJwtsSgt8+bag3ppJSNrfvdVMI9Dta88wM/SCQ== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 20:59:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c12c82f1260f_6c083fb5f54d45b43208fc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just caught this and I don't think that mandating it like this is appropriate. There are other ways to get a lower MTU (e.g., your interface MTU shrinks). I'm happy to have it forbid lowering in response to ICMP, but this is too broad. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2063#issuecomment-447118661 ----==_mimepart_5c12c82f1260f_6c083fb5f54d45b43208fc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I just caught this and I don't think that mandating it like this is appropriate. There are other ways to get a lower MTU (e.g., your interface MTU shrinks). I'm happy to have it forbid lowering in response to ICMP, but this is too broad.

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A Retry packet uses a long packet header with a type value of 0x3. It carries
an address validation token created by the server. It is used by a server that
wishes to perform a stateless retry (see {{validate-handshake}}).

This is not correct b/c the long header has length and PN.

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     enum { IPv4(4), IPv6(6), (15) } ipVersion;
     opaque ipAddress<4..2^8-1>;

Elsewhere in this spec we've tried to make it impossible to say bogus things, but this is a lot of room for screwing up. You know the exact length from ipVersion, so why not have a select here?

select (ipVersion) {
   case IPv4:  opaque ip4[4];
   case IPv6: opaque ip6[16];
}

Note that because the extension itself is length delimited, parsing unknown versions will still work.

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I believe this is because it allows for fast switch statements in fram= e processing. It is what makes it affordable to use varints in extension = frames. For two byte+ this could be relaxed, but even here, it allows for= faster lookups. The situation is different where varints represent count= able entities.

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Each CID comes with a number but as far as I can tell, all its used for
is to (a) check for duplicates and (b) retire the CID. Given the
relatively small number of retirements, it's not clear that this is
a win. Why not just refer to CIDs by value? You are required to check
for duplicate valus anyway in 19.15

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----==_mimepart_5c12c8fbafd0a_41833fe120ad45bc303138-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 13:03:04 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF33D130E9D for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 13:03:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QHBdhbIzmNx5 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 13:03:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C21E130E9B for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 13:03:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 13:03:00 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544734980; bh=LFBMxs2bL4iao3DdRSAtFnbOAnLC3IsO26KpCq3USn8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=QZsepjG84M3WXpRrTcjwk5RlZIOTd4he9+6rDQx+uuB4X4nvKQdDKU+c+iEl3STk7 J8fjUC8Q0n7gM1HrpgA9y3znokzH84wx8b2u55pJ6VCedN/CAySee0KYkjsPSCGhQk rJXOyGW/I8tZ9C/hvA6pC/jUulIUttb7FJyBICz0= From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Optimistic ACKs and PFS in security considerations (#2160) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c12c90428cc3_51163fbe1d6d45b433694"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 21:03:03 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c12c90428cc3_51163fbe1d6d45b433694 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ``` The second mitigation is that the server can require that acknowledgments for sent packets match the encryption level of the sent packet. This mitigation is useful if the connection has an ephemeral forward-secure key that is generated and used for every new connection. If a packet sent is protected with a forward-secure key, then any acknowledgments that are received for them MUST also be forward-secure protected. Since the attacker will not have the forward-secure key, the attacker will not be able to generate forward-secure protected packets with ACK frames. ``` I don't understand what this means. Forward-security doesn't matter here because you always get fresh keys for each connection and if you don't see SH, you can't send packets. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2160#issuecomment-447119622 ----==_mimepart_5c12c90428cc3_51163fbe1d6d45b433694 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 
The second mitigation is that the server can require that ackn=
owledgments for
sent packets match the encryption level of the sent packet.  This mitigat=
ion is
useful if the connection has an ephemeral forward-secure key that is gene=
rated
and used for every new connection.  If a packet sent is protected with a
forward-secure key, then any acknowledgments that are received for them M=
UST
also be forward-secure protected.  Since the attacker will not have the
forward-secure key, the attacker will not be able to generate forward-sec=
ure
protected packets with ACK frames.

I don't understand what this means. Forward-security doesn't matter here because you always get fresh keys for each connection and if you
= don't see SH, you can't send packets.

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No. That's a reason to require that you encode deterministically, not that you check

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There's more to requirements on future specs than invariants.

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In other words, when the TLP timer -expires the first time, a TLP packet is sent, and it is RECOMMENDED that the TLP -timer be scheduled for a second time. When the TLP timer expires the second -time, a second TLP packet is sent, and an RTO timer SHOULD be scheduled {{rto}}. +There is no requirement on the clock granularity. The PTO value MUST be set to I've changed this, but also added some text at the definition of granularity. > -* When the final TLP packet is sent, the RTO period is set to max(SRTT + - 4*RTTVAR + MaxAckDelay, kMinRTOTimeout) +Consecutive PTO periods increase exponentially, and as a result, connection +recovery latency increases exponentially as packets continue to be dropped in +the network. Sending two packets on PTO expiration increases resilience to +packet drop in both directions, thus reducing the probability of consecutive PTO I'll remove "in both directions" -- more trouble than it's worth. > -QUIC also diverges from TCP by including MaxAckDelay in the RTO period. Since -QUIC corrects for this delay in its SRTT and RTTVAR computations, it is -necessary to add this delay explicitly in the TLP and RTO computation. +Delivery or loss of packets in flight is established when an acknowledgement is +received that newly acknowledges one or more packets. An endpoint might receive +an acknowledgement after multiple consecutive PTO periods. I think this is not required. There's mention of consecutive PTOs later on where it's more relevant. > @@ -722,14 +695,13 @@ Pseudocode for OnAckReceived and UpdateRtt follow: // Find the smallest newly acknowledged packet smallest_newly_acked = FindSmallestNewlyAcked(newly_acked_packets) - // If any packets sent prior to RTO were acked, then the - // RTO was spurious. Otherwise, inform congestion control. - if (rto_count > 0 && - smallest_newly_acked > largest_sent_before_rto): - OnRetransmissionTimeoutVerified(smallest_newly_acked) + // If any packets sent prior to PTO were acked, then the + // PTO was spurious. Otherwise, inform congestion control. + if (pto_count > 0 && + smallest_newly_acked > largest_sent_before_pto): @martinthomson : @ianswett is trying to capture the difference in congestion response that the current loss recovery spec has for TLP vs. RTO. The idea is to say that for a couple of PTOs, there will be a smaller reduction in cwnd, and after that, the cwnd will be collapsed. I can write that up. > -## Retransmission Timeout +A PTO expiration is classified as spurious or valid when an ACK frame is +received that newly acknowledges packets in flight, see {{pto-loss}}. On a +valid PTO, the congestion window MUST be reduced to the minimum congestion +window and slow start is re-entered. I'm going to simplify this further. I think that having a verification is unnecessary; the behavior ends up being the same whether a PTO is verified or not. I can retain this notion of reducing the cwnd differently for the first 2 PTOs and then collapsing it to min_cwnd after that. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2114#discussion_r241557699 ----==_mimepart_5c12c9b3c8f49_56233f7f410d45bc83961 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-To reduce latency, it is RECOMMENDED that the sender set and allow the TLP timer
-to fire twice before setting an RTO timer. In other words, when the TLP timer
-expires the first time, a TLP packet is sent, and it is RECOMMENDED that the TLP
-timer be scheduled for a second time. When the TLP timer expires the second
-time, a second TLP packet is sent, and an RTO timer SHOULD be scheduled {{rto}}.
+There is no requirement on the clock granularity. The PTO value MUST be set to

I've changed this, but also added some text at the definition of granularity.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-* When the final TLP packet is sent, the RTO period is set to max(SRTT +
-  4*RTTVAR + MaxAckDelay, kMinRTOTimeout)
+Consecutive PTO periods increase exponentially, and as a result, connection
+recovery latency increases exponentially as packets continue to be dropped in
+the network.  Sending two packets on PTO expiration increases resilience to
+packet drop in both directions, thus reducing the probability of consecutive PTO

I'll remove "in both directions" -- more trouble than it's worth.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-QUIC also diverges from TCP by including MaxAckDelay in the RTO period. Since
-QUIC corrects for this delay in its SRTT and RTTVAR computations, it is
-necessary to add this delay explicitly in the TLP and RTO computation.
+Delivery or loss of packets in flight is established when an acknowledgement is
+received that newly acknowledges one or more packets.  An endpoint might receive
+an acknowledgement after multiple consecutive PTO periods.

I think this is not required. There's mention of consecutive PTOs later on where it's more relevant.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -722,14 +695,13 @@ Pseudocode for OnAckReceived and UpdateRtt follow:
       // Find the smallest newly acknowledged packet
       smallest_newly_acked =
         FindSmallestNewlyAcked(newly_acked_packets)
-      // If any packets sent prior to RTO were acked, then the
-      // RTO was spurious. Otherwise, inform congestion control.
-      if (rto_count > 0 &&
-            smallest_newly_acked > largest_sent_before_rto):
-        OnRetransmissionTimeoutVerified(smallest_newly_acked)
+      // If any packets sent prior to PTO were acked, then the
+      // PTO was spurious. Otherwise, inform congestion control.
+      if (pto_count > 0 &&
+            smallest_newly_acked > largest_sent_before_pto):

@martinthomson : @ianswett is trying to capture the difference in congestion response that the current loss recovery spec has for TLP vs. RTO. The idea is to say that for a couple of PTOs, there will be a smaller reduction in cwnd, and after that, the cwnd will be collapsed. I can write that up.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-## Retransmission Timeout
+A PTO expiration is classified as spurious or valid when an ACK frame is
+received that newly acknowledges packets in flight, see {{pto-loss}}.  On a
+valid PTO, the congestion window MUST be reduced to the minimum congestion
+window and slow start is re-entered.

I'm going to simplify this further. I think that having a verification is unnecessary; the behavior ends up being the same whether a PTO is verified or not. I can retain this notion of reducing the cwnd differently for the first 2 PTOs and then collapsing it to min_cwnd after that.

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This might be a leftover from before the change towards multiple packet number spaces. An attempt to ensure ACK's use the proper "channel".

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1000,6 +1000,12 @@ to more quickly identify when a connection becomes unusable.
 Packets that are matched to an existing connection, but for which the endpoint
 cannot remove packet protection, are discarded.
 
+Invalid packets without packet protection, such as Initial, Retry, or Version
+Negotiation, SHOULD be discarded without altering connection state.  An endpoint

If it was protected, we'd close the connection.

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I won't claim to be into all the details, but the sequence numbers were = removed and reintroduced because of some complex race conditions or so.

Receipt of a RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frame containing a sequence number gre= ater than any previously sent to the peer MAY be treated as a connection er= ror of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.

The duplicate check is to guard against inconsistent behaviour but are n= ot essential to why there are sequence numbers.

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The only time an ICMP PTB message can ever legitimately try to report a PMTU larger than an endpoint's estimate of a PMTU is when it is sent in response to a PMTU probe packet.

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  • Do not allow ICMP PTB to increase PMTU

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A sender might have unused cwnd left when it enters the RTO phase of recovery. The spec currently does not prohibit sending under these conditions. In other words, a sender that is RTOing might suddenly send a cwnd's worth of data. We may want to disallow this.

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Note: it would be wrong to increase PMTU merely due to a receipt of a va= lidated ICMP PTB message received in response to a PMTU probe. Only an ACK= of a probe can increase PMTU to the probe's size. But a receipt of such I= CMP PTB message can trigger a new PMTU probe of the given size.

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----==_mimepart_5c12d891dc4dd_1e933fb165ed45bc409618-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 14:11:10 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1692130EA8 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 14:11:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.459 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.459 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dT4coocv-0K0 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 14:11:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B02AB130EB1 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 14:11:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=AusVPNfQZ54Qq7PdNNDmeHlPzqw=; b=roz/RRtJ2BJrfk2E 5jGqQp+tD/0Y2ZzVDT0BLwyEEnw5zU3bGECE48nj+FDdkPPVhAz/y7m1gXGxlN5X kkJUbiTKBryH3PQh+8fJD1AR9V6yeywy3mr7DDtzv1li0FVTYhXNL8+pJR1rKLzW H54f3wnJOBeMqS+VGm2qLc5QQ5o= Received: by filter0035p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0035p1iad2-8741-5C12D8F7-1F 2018-12-13 22:11:03.388693873 +0000 UTC m=+254296.887025904 Received: from github-lowworker-63e61ec.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.36]) by ismtpd0013p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 6vtFU0TBSKegumuxasPazw for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 22:11:03.341 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-63e61ec.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58D7F2A11D5 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 14:11:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 22:11:03 +0000 (UTC) From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Increase the odds of a stateless reset? (#2153) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c12d8f75613d_7f093fb3b9ad45c428031a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak36ZfjqkKyyYeMv4llH9Q+CAG5PcuUl/KRvbd rZpYFtkcdw2vyQljUA1Titx4b6IZ6hGhW1lhfMpNgCIWh6CQSxFMoT+vrnp0ia7rD411+7SE0C5s7m Rpn6jbH5UM4tXyxA0ffg1A2cx/2RMhoQHjkEiUylARlpR9Smj0G3dspn0s8xg+2yvrBRrL9T3bgx9+ 8= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 22:11:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c12d8f75613d_7f093fb3b9ad45c428031a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The previous paragraphs allow the receiver to ignore the MUST-be-smaller if it can use state to avoid looping. Even if the packet is large enough, the receiver is also allowed to rate-limit the SRs. It's never guaranteed that you'll trigger one. It might actually be deterministic on the receiver side, but that isn't knowable by the sender. However, sending a packet that's bigger than 38 bytes eliminates one big reason the receiver might ignore without generating a SR, so you improve your odds by doing that. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2153#issuecomment-447138736 ----==_mimepart_5c12d8f75613d_7f093fb3b9ad45c428031a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The previous paragraphs allow the receiver to ignore the MUST-be-smaller= if it can use state to avoid looping. Even if the packet is large enough,= the receiver is also allowed to rate-limit the SRs. It's never guaranteed= that you'll trigger one. It might actually be deterministic on the receiv= er side, but that isn't knowable by the sender.

However, sending a packet that's bigger than 38 bytes eliminates one big= reason the receiver might ignore without generating a SR, so you improve y= our odds by doing that.

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S 21.7

An on-the-side attacker can duplicate and send packets with modified ECN
codepoints to affect the sender's rate.  If duplicate packets are discarded by a
receiver, an off-path attacker will need to race the duplicate packet against
the original to be successful in this attack.  Therefore, QUIC receivers ignore
ECN codepoints set in duplicate packets (see {{ecn}}).

This could use more elaboration. As written, it seems like if you win the race (which you might like half the time) then you will succeed in the attack. Is that true?

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Packets that carry the long header are Initial Section 17.5, Retry Section 17.7, Handshake Section 17.6, and 0-RTT Protected packets Section 12.1.

These references should be delimited with parentheses, as is done in the other paragraphs:

QUIC endpoints communicate by exchanging packets. Packets are carried in UDP datagrams (see Section 12.2) and have confidentiality and integrity protection (see Section 12.1).

This version of QUIC uses the long packet header (see Section 17.2) during connection establishment and the short header (see Section 17.3) once 1-RTT keys have been established.

It also seems odd that our references are to subsections (5, 7, 6) rather than matching the order of the actual sections, and that three of the references are to 17.x while one is to 12.1. Can we make these a little more symmetric?

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----==_mimepart_5c12da0e3eb3d_59c73faeb4cd45b8754f-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 14:17:57 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65B12130EAB for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 14:17:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.842 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.842 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OlB5ziUl7a8p for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 14:17:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 51B13130E26 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 14:17:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=Vtsn/LyljBktKQUhNrZ+I1czaZY=; b=m9sOdKw//zSiHvMc uwxfAygdzAz7fnpMQMzqb0BFyOdz5JHmS1dd0r+1eC+H6kuh7w+RQRkjB2nAZcB4 SwYvEfGpxdlkceSBYA02hk4HO3W+p1RxGwAsIn/gseSv/2kkansuLdaBY+txv8Tz xq1V+jymVJmnkTzbdd8vLvj2TCc= Received: by filter1853p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1853p1mdw1-6712-5C12DA91-5 2018-12-13 22:17:53.0822343 +0000 UTC m=+4623.347839025 Received: from github-lowworker-05ceafd.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.40]) by ismtpd0018p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id m9PU51xaRa25C2XQee2o6g for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 22:17:52.982 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-05ceafd.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 086AE460182 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 14:17:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 22:17:53 +0000 (UTC) From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Retry is not a long header (#2157) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c12da916ac2_48483fcfef2d45c014921c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak38JtBBbfkP4E2kumdHtQwlqmVPCfLjYj03Ij PfQufGS+aKk2fZWOhhT6o0GutxBPN0uMqO8DebYZl/8jhaCpLb5/W6av587EhiFdEYdUouDb5sWUGF DpmN8a08rRsB3pq0eAG5aUmFUilLHZcx3xIMWVYUHNjTq4r2YIljf7FJdQYZz2mWFe42wBVBl77Gew M= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 22:17:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c12da916ac2_48483fcfef2d45c014921c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Retry uses a long header as defined in Invariants, but doesn't include the extra fields defined for the long header in v1. Perhaps we need a different name for the two long-header references, or perhaps the length/PN should be defined as part of the body of each packet type. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2157#issuecomment-447140628 ----==_mimepart_5c12da916ac2_48483fcfef2d45c014921c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Retry uses a long header as defined in Invariants, but doesn't include t= he extra fields defined for the long header in v1. Perhaps we need a diffe= rent name for the two long-header references, or perhaps the length/PN shou= ld be defined as part of the body of each packet type.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c12da916ac2_48483fcfef2d45c014921c-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 14:20:11 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC1A6130EA8 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 14:20:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.056 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.056 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vaw5qLCo7lrF for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 14:20:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 28E58130E26 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 14:20:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 14:20:05 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544739605; bh=4VFpEEthyNo9LApL76uIzfa1j0sIcdMS89lvLSQ6JCM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=XUhH3Scjw/LAj0q3eR2ux4bZFLK25ap7ONsH5nlMLak+9nocGRUCEQrWw2Sp2CGkP xyF1HQ7+73t+SSX8l830+4DFuwHUgt9h8KmSFExyfZ1BK0BPI+hzOhNQMAYza/84Tp E3HgIyQhpzWsOwRl/jjcdkZHlbsLkRXUJbks+M/I= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Simplify TLP and RTO into Probe Timeout (#2114) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c12db15d2c73_36943febeded45b8152580"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 22:20:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c12db15d2c73_36943febeded45b8152580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've updated the description text and the PR quite a bit based on the comments. Specifically, I've removed the verification of a timeout, since the behavior with and without it was the same. I've also added a clause that allows for the cwnd to be collapsed to min cwnd only after 2 PTOs, to retain parity with TLP/RTO behavior. I'll open an issue to discuss the issues this PR addresses. We should have discussion there. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2114#issuecomment-447141247 ----==_mimepart_5c12db15d2c73_36943febeded45b8152580 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I've updated the description text and the PR quite a bit based on the = comments. Specifically, I've removed the verification of a timeout, since= the behavior with and without it was the same. I've also added a clause = that allows for the cwnd to be collapsed to min cwnd only after 2 PTOs, t= o retain parity with TLP/RTO behavior.

I'll open an issue to discuss the issues this PR addresses. We should = have discussion there.

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This is an issue which #1533 was filed to fix, but no consensus to take the change. If you'd like to champion it, feel free. I don't feel strongly either way.

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----==_mimepart_5c12dc108f387_68aa3fa5c46d45bc100966-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 14:24:42 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C660130E26 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 14:24:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.842 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.842 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YHh_tj8jsD4M for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 14:24:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 254CA130EA8 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 14:24:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=SRW7vNsTFzPv3n9qV3Sn35h2waw=; b=wypwLHngQZX9b0+g YR0hr4mNqibFyyvb1y3/+K91M83M/Sohpp+IHhHEJmzD3L9SfSkDtfwNtkMQaLI0 s097d6OfYeNKL3sen/Lc+YbT9kuZvTxq1MgB3gG0OxRa86nWj1PwTtQqEOCsON/Q lhzNioNYQGLsCp/MpQ2QipWloO0= Received: by filter0226p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0226p1iad2-23021-5C12DC24-1A 2018-12-13 22:24:36.404046348 +0000 UTC m=+1530.981053385 Received: from github-lowworker-dcc078e.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.44]) by ismtpd0037p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id tOiSEEL4T02WT70P8If5yw for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 22:24:36.384 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-dcc078e.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D1F12C0D35 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 14:24:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 22:24:36 +0000 (UTC) From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Idempotent frames? (#2154) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c12dc245ba1d_5b393fc8710d45c02863d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak19U1QbSV+R3+LPw3m+vaK9tU/FFLnE8PBhgO kGAK05K6qwzWTmmJHq9CsyJkrdYI+rYHXeZDwQfDYZsKch2Qq3pdJ3leulJZPFqlp/hgAm1rJo6SrR +XVIFBSHs6FEgBE4zHLHmOarZSuXVhu5uC2hM1O0xFYIi+4Rc8runXUOytBjQH92AkcvUb2oq0LpiK w= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 22:24:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c12dc245ba1d_5b393fc8710d45c02863d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's a statement about the current version, but it would presumptively apply to extensions to the current version that don't redefine the base spec. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2154#issuecomment-447142528 ----==_mimepart_5c12dc245ba1d_5b393fc8710d45c02863d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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There is some arbitrariness around TLP, RTO, and crypto timeouts as they are described in the draft.

  • TLP computation includes smoothed_rtt but not rttvar, where RTO includes both. There's no clear rationale for not using rttvar in TLP. This is what the TLP draft (individual, expired) says and what Linux TCP implements, but there's little justification beyond that. rttvar should be included here.
  • minTLP is 10ms and minRTO is 200ms. This choice of 10ms is a bit arbitrary, but is based on what Linux TCP implements.
  • The crypto timeout uses minTLP, which does not seem intuitive.

We should include rttvar in TLP, and we should either justify the 10ms min timeout or use the same 200ms timeout for TLP. We should also use a different min for the crypto timeout than min TLP.

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Because you're not realistically going to retain a total history of al= l CIDs you've ever seen. You MAY treat it as an error if you notice that= one recurs, so that servers are disincented from doing so, but you're no= t obliged to check that over the whole connection lifetime. However, wit= hout maintaining that history for a sufficiently long time, you then can'= t differentiate for certain between a retransmission of an old NCID frame= and a new issuance of the same CID (an error, but one you might miss). = Therefore, you could wind up in a state where the peers disagree about wh= ether a CID is still live.

The options were a requirement to keep history for a certain length of= time (and hope that packets don't get delayed longer than whatever arbit= rary timeout we pick) or using sequence numbers and allowing tracking wit= h a similar data structure as that which tracks whether Stream IDs are no= t-yet-open, open, or closed.

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the TLS draft says:

QUIC requires that the first Initial packet from a client contain an entire
cryptographic handshake message, which for TLS is the ClientHello.  Though a
packet larger than 1200 bytes might be supported by the path, a client improves
the likelihood that a packet is accepted if it ensures that the first
ClientHello message is small enough to stay within this limit.

This clearly implies that you can have an Initial > 1200 bytes.

However, transport S 7.1 says

   Clients MUST pad UDP datagrams that contain only Initial packets to
   1200 bytes.  Once a client has received an acknowledgment for a
   Handshake packet it MAY send smaller datagrams.  Sending padded
   datagrams ensures that the server is not overly constrained by the
   amplification restriction.

But you can't pad to 1200 bytes if you are over 1200 bytes. so which one is it?

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----==_mimepart_5c12df1f1dc7c_13783fd0444d45b461879-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 14:39:38 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF097130EAB for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 14:39:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0yQKFLs9nKiB for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 14:39:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 21C23130EA2 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 14:39:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 14:39:34 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544740774; bh=yu9ncVd8WfIC0fzS+Xq/ZxUffgeDDUpG51py5Q/4WIA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=H/HFoSLVM0smzaOcqeHGFSF0GnSO1q+ozZgCkiDDXTxYvLGwznH5FIx7h+DYQ+X1N 4VsE7o9gguuwaBIf6sEbOpV0gqy/EAszCf/UeiMFowd0i9Wo6ORLfbX//7BbMOM9pm sKTueYpZ5uAMieFqmdO8iFp5sIFlr4iSAhf0ILf8= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Why is ipAddress variable length (#2158) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c12dfa6228bb_5bde3fd1196d45b4939d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 22:39:37 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c12dfa6228bb_5bde3fd1196d45b4939d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FWIW, in #2122 we are discussing about using the structure to send multiple entries of PreferredAddress (e.g., one that contains IPv4 address and the other containing a IPv6 address). I'd assume that we would be doing either ``` PreferredAddress addresses; ``` or ``` struct Address { enum { IPv4(4), IPv6(6), (15) } ipVersion; opaque ipAddress<4..2^8-1>; uint16 port; } struct PreferredAddress { AddressPort addresses; ... } ``` Either ways, the length of the IP address would be required to keep the structure extensible (i.e. allowing a new IP version to be defined). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2158#issuecomment-447147008 ----==_mimepart_5c12dfa6228bb_5bde3fd1196d45b4939d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

FWIW, in #2122 we are discussing about using the structure = to send multiple entries of PreferredAddress (e.g., one that contains IPv= 4 address and the other containing a IPv6 address).

I'd assume that we would be doing either

PreferredAddress addresses<x..y>;

or

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    opaque ipAddress<4..2^8-1>;
    uint16 port;
}
struct PreferredAddress {
    AddressPort addresses<x..y>;
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}

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The changes to loss recovery in #1974 allow for some simplification in RTO response. The recovery draft says about an ACK after an RTO:

When an ACK is received that acknowledges only one or more packets sent on an RTO event, all unacknowledged packets with lower packet numbers MUST be marked as lost. If packets sent prior to the first RTO are acknowledged in the same ACK, the RTO is considered spurious and standard loss detection rules apply.

If the ACK acknowledges only packets sent after an RTO, everything sent earlier is marked lost. With time-threshold loss detection in #1974, that is exactly what standard loss detection will do. As a result, in both the conditions described in the text quoted above, standard loss detection does the right thing.

We can remove the two cases (remove OnRetransmissionTimeoutVerified) and always simply use standard loss detection when an ACK is received.

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Sending padded datagrams ensures that the server is not overly constrained by the amplification restriction. -In order to prevent a handshake deadlock as a result of the server being unable -to send, clients SHOULD send a packet upon a handshake timeout, as described in -{{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. If the client has no data to retransmit and does not have -Handshake keys, it SHOULD send an Initial packet in a UDP datagram of at least -1200 bytes. If the client has Handshake keys, it SHOULD send a Handshake -packet. +Packet loss, e.g., of the server's Handshake packet, can cause a +situation in which the server cannot send becaus of the ```suggestion situation in which the server cannot send because of the ``` > @@ -1616,7 +1619,8 @@ Token field of its Initial packet. A token allows a server to correlate activity between the connection where the token was issued and any connection where it is used. Clients that want to break continuity of identity with a server MAY discard tokens provided using the -NEW_TOKEN frame. Tokens obtained in Retry packets MUST NOT be discarded. +NEW_TOKEN frame. Tokens obtained in Retry packets MUST NOT be discarded +during connection establishment (they will not be used with new connections). How about a positive: A token obtained in a Retry packet must be used immediately during the connection attempt and cannot be used in subsequent connection attempts. > @@ -1679,9 +1683,10 @@ peer from a new local address. In path validation, endpoints test reachability between a specific local address and a specific peer address, where an address is the two-tuple of IP address and port. -Path validation tests that packets can be both sent to and received from a peer -on the path. Importantly, it validates that the packets received from the -migrating endpoint do not carry a spoofed source address. +Path validation tests that packets (PATH_CHALLENGE) can be both sent +to and received (PATH_RESPONSE) from a peer on the path. Importantly, +it validates that the packets received from the migrating endpoint do +not carry a spoofed source address. But that isn't exactly true since MITM can spoof the source address of these packets if it can guess the packet content (as you pointed out). > @@ -1716,8 +1721,9 @@ loss. An endpoint SHOULD NOT send a PATH_CHALLENGE more frequently than it would an Initial packet, ensuring that connection migration is no more load on a new path than establishing a new connection. -The endpoint MUST use fresh random data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that it -can associate the peer's response with the causative PATH_CHALLENGE. +The endpoint MUST use unpredictable data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame +so that it can associate the peer's response with the causative ```suggestion so that it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding ``` > @@ -1737,27 +1743,26 @@ to the same remote address from which the PATH_CHALLENGE was received. ## Successful Path Validation -A new address is considered valid when a PATH_RESPONSE frame is received -containing data that was sent in a previous PATH_CHALLENGE. Receipt of an -acknowledgment for a packet containing a PATH_CHALLENGE frame is not adequate -validation, since the acknowledgment can be spoofed by a malicious peer. +A new address is considered valid when A PATH_RESPONSE frame is received +that meets the following criteria: + +- It contains that was sent in a previous PATH_CHALLENGE. Receipt of an ```suggestion - It contains the data that was sent in a previous PATH_CHALLENGE. Receipt of an ``` > -For path validation to be successful, a PATH_RESPONSE frame MUST be received -from the same remote address to which the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE was -sent. If a PATH_RESPONSE frame is received from a different remote address than -the one to which the PATH_CHALLENGE was sent, path validation is considered to -have failed, even if the data matches that sent in the PATH_CHALLENGE. +- It is from the same remote address as that to which the + corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE was sent. If a PATH_RESPONSE frame is It was received from the remote address that the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE was sent to. > -For path validation to be successful, a PATH_RESPONSE frame MUST be received -from the same remote address to which the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE was -sent. If a PATH_RESPONSE frame is received from a different remote address than -the one to which the PATH_CHALLENGE was sent, path validation is considered to -have failed, even if the data matches that sent in the PATH_CHALLENGE. +- It is from the same remote address as that to which the + corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE was sent. If a PATH_RESPONSE frame is + received from a different remote address than the one to which the + PATH_CHALLENGE was sent, path validation is considered to have failed, + even if the data matches that sent in the PATH_CHALLENGE. ```suggestion even if the PATH_RESPONSE data matches the PATH_CHALLENGE data. ``` > -If a PATH_RESPONSE frame is received on a different local address than the one -from which the PATH_CHALLENGE was sent, path validation is not considered to be -successful, even if the data matches the PATH_CHALLENGE. This doesn't result in -path validation failure, as it might be a result of a forwarded packet (see -{{off-path-forward}}) or misrouting. +Note that receipt on a different local address doesn't result in path ```suggestion Note that receipt on a different local address does not result in path ``` > @@ -2338,14 +2345,15 @@ of the packet header. The remainder of the first byte and an arbitrary number of random bytes following it are set to unpredictable values. The last 16 bytes of the datagram contain a Stateless Reset Token. -A stateless reset will be interpreted by a recipient as a packet with a short -header. For the packet to appear as valid, the Random Bits field needs to -include at least 182 bits of random or unpredictable values (or 24 bytes, less -the two fixed bits). This is intended to allow for a destination connection ID -of the maximum length permitted, with a minimal packet number, and payload. The -Stateless Reset Token corresponds to the minimum expansion of the packet -protection AEAD. More random bytes might be necessary if the endpoint could -have negotiated a packet protection scheme with a larger minimum AEAD expansion. +A stateless reset will be interpreted by a recipient as a packet with +a short header. For the packet to appear as valid, the Random Bits +field needs to include at least 182 bits of data (or 24 bytes, less +the two fixed bits). This is intended to allow for a destination ```suggestion the two fixed bits). This is intended to allow for a Destination ``` > @@ -2338,14 +2345,15 @@ of the packet header. The remainder of the first byte and an arbitrary number of random bytes following it are set to unpredictable values. The last 16 bytes of the datagram contain a Stateless Reset Token. -A stateless reset will be interpreted by a recipient as a packet with a short -header. For the packet to appear as valid, the Random Bits field needs to -include at least 182 bits of random or unpredictable values (or 24 bytes, less -the two fixed bits). This is intended to allow for a destination connection ID -of the maximum length permitted, with a minimal packet number, and payload. The -Stateless Reset Token corresponds to the minimum expansion of the packet -protection AEAD. More random bytes might be necessary if the endpoint could -have negotiated a packet protection scheme with a larger minimum AEAD expansion. +A stateless reset will be interpreted by a recipient as a packet with +a short header. For the packet to appear as valid, the Random Bits +field needs to include at least 182 bits of data (or 24 bytes, less +the two fixed bits). This is intended to allow for a destination +connection ID of the maximum length permitted, with a minimal packet ```suggestion Connection ID of the maximum length permitted, with a minimal packet ``` > @@ -4931,10 +4943,10 @@ Frame Type: Reason Phrase Length: -: A variable-length integer specifying the length of the reason phrase in bytes. - Note that a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame cannot be split between packets, so in - practice any limits on packet size will also limit the space available for a - reason phrase. +: A variable-length integer specifying the length of the reason phrase + in bytes. 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+The endpoint MUST use unpredictable data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame=0D=

+so that it can associate the peer's response with the causative=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-so that it can associate the peer's response =
with the causative=0D
+so that it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> @@ -1737,27 +1743,26 @@ to the same remote=
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=0D
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n=0D
-acknowledgment for a packet containing a PATH_CHALLENGE frame is not ade=
quate=0D
-validation, since the acknowledgment can be spoofed by a malicious peer.=
=0D
+A new address is considered valid when A PATH_RESPONSE frame is received=
=0D
+that meets the following criteria:=0D
+=0D
+- It contains that was sent in a previous PATH_CHALLENGE. Receipt of an=0D=
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-- It contains that was sent in a previous PAT=
H_CHALLENGE. Receipt of an=0D
+- It contains the data that was sent in a previous PATH_CHALLENGE. Recei=
pt of an=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
>  =0D
-For path validation to be successful, a PATH_RESPONSE frame MUST be rece=
ived=0D
-from the same remote address to which the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE w=
as=0D
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ss than=0D
-the one to which the PATH_CHALLENGE was sent, path validation is conside=
red to=0D
-have failed, even if the data matches that sent in the PATH_CHALLENGE.=0D=

+- It is from the same remote address as that to which the=0D
+  corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE was sent. If a PATH_RESPONSE frame is=0D
=0D

It was received from the remote address that the corresponding PATH_CH= ALLENGE was sent to.

=0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
>  =0D
-For path validation to be successful, a PATH_RESPONSE frame MUST be rece=
ived=0D
-from the same remote address to which the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE w=
as=0D
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ss than=0D
-the one to which the PATH_CHALLENGE was sent, path validation is conside=
red to=0D
-have failed, even if the data matches that sent in the PATH_CHALLENGE.=0D=

+- It is from the same remote address as that to which the=0D
+  corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE was sent. If a PATH_RESPONSE frame is=0D
+  received from a different remote address than the one to which the=0D
+  PATH_CHALLENGE was sent, path validation is considered to have failed,=
=0D
+  even if the data matches that sent in the PATH_CHALLENGE.=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-  even if the data matches that sent in the P=
ATH_CHALLENGE.=0D
+  even if the PATH_RESPONSE data matches the PATH_CHALLENGE data.=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
>  =0D
-If a PATH_RESPONSE frame is received on a different local address than t=
he one=0D
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;t result in=0D
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see=0D
-{{off-path-forward}}) or misrouting.=0D
+Note that receipt on a different local address doesn't result in pat=
h=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-Note that receipt on a different local addres=
s doesn't result in path=0D
+Note that receipt on a different local address does not result in path=0D=
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> @@ -2338,14 +2345,15 @@ of the packet head=
er.  The remainder of the first byte and an arbitrary=0D
 number of random bytes following it are set to unpredictable values.  Th=
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 =0D
-A stateless reset will be interpreted by a recipient as a packet with a =
short=0D
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to=0D
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, less=0D
-the two fixed bits).  This is intended to allow for a destination connec=
tion ID=0D
-of the maximum length permitted, with a minimal packet number, and paylo=
ad.  The=0D
-Stateless Reset Token corresponds to the minimum expansion of the packet=
=0D
-protection AEAD.  More random bytes might be necessary if the endpoint c=
ould=0D
-have negotiated a packet protection scheme with a larger minimum AEAD ex=
pansion.=0D
+A stateless reset will be interpreted by a recipient as a packet with=0D=

+a short header.  For the packet to appear as valid, the Random Bits=0D
+field needs to include at least 182 bits of data (or 24 bytes, less=0D
+the two fixed bits). This is intended to allow for a destination=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-the two fixed bits). This is intended to allo=
w for a destination=0D
+the two fixed bits). This is intended to allow for a Destination=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> @@ -2338,14 +2345,15 @@ of the packet head=
er.  The remainder of the first byte and an arbitrary=0D
 number of random bytes following it are set to unpredictable values.  Th=
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 16 bytes of the datagram contain a Stateless Reset Token.=0D
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-A stateless reset will be interpreted by a recipient as a packet with a =
short=0D
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=0D
-protection AEAD.  More random bytes might be necessary if the endpoint c=
ould=0D
-have negotiated a packet protection scheme with a larger minimum AEAD ex=
pansion.=0D
+A stateless reset will be interpreted by a recipient as a packet with=0D=

+a short header.  For the packet to appear as valid, the Random Bits=0D
+field needs to include at least 182 bits of data (or 24 bytes, less=0D
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+connection ID of the maximum length permitted, with a minimal packet=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
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=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> @@ -4931,10 +4943,10 @@ Frame Type:=0D
 =0D
 Reason Phrase Length:=0D
 =0D
-: A variable-length integer specifying the length of the reason phrase i=
n bytes.=0D
-  Note that a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame cannot be split between packets, so=
 in=0D
-  practice any limits on packet size will also limit the space available=
 for a=0D
-  reason phrase.=0D
+: A variable-length integer specifying the length of the reason phrase=0D=

+  in bytes.  Because CONNECTION_CLOSE frame cannot be split between=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-  in bytes.  Because CONNECTION_CLOSE frame c=
annot be split between=0D
+  in bytes.  Because a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame cannot be split between=0D=
=0D =0D =0D

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(#2159) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c12e18b2b5cc_549d3fe0316d45c4972c1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2BUABrYMcTt5KQij8bS9A3NUrGX6JLpD1iSL x4m8VGYYvOV94zJLPxlrhqgwzntCLwSg24ZfDsRR3fUg80DBv+JRbIo6Z2cukW7COX6f4J4qDteJ2T kKYdZN5kqQjX2wlPdFmHJksVdcfDBg/cDtIz/yn22Vraf18Is/3bLa9cQw== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 22:47:43 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c12e18b2b5cc_549d3fe0316d45c4972c1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm not persuaded by this. There are two cases:=0D =0D 1. An erroneous duplicate NCID.=0D 2. Duplicated packets in the network.=0D =0D If the other side is broken, there's no guarantee of consistency between=0D the sides in any case. So, we're only talking about the second case. And I= =0D don't think it's particularly difficult to pick a timeout here, because=0D we're talking about the race between RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID and the packets= =0D duplicate in the network, so a timeout on the order of 2MSL is basically=0D fine.=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 2:33 PM Mike Bishop =0D wrote:=0D =0D > Because you're not realistically going to retain a total history of all= =0D > CIDs you've ever seen. You MAY treat it as an error if you notice that on= e=0D > recurs, so that servers are disincented from doing so, but you're not=0D > obliged to check that over the whole connection lifetime. However, withou= t=0D > maintaining that history for a sufficiently long time, you then can't=0D > differentiate for certain between a retransmission of an old NCID frame a= nd=0D > a new issuance of the same CID (an error, but one you might miss).=0D > Therefore, you could wind up in a state where the peers disagree about=0D > whether a CID is still live.=0D >=0D > The options were a requirement to keep history for a certain length of=0D > time (and hope that packets don't get delayed longer than whatever=0D > arbitrary timeout we pick) or using sequence numbers and allowing trackin= g=0D > with a similar data structure as that which tracks whether Stream IDs are= =0D > not-yet-open, open, or closed.=0D >=0D > =E2=80=94=0D > You are receiving this because you authored the thread.=0D > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub=0D > ,=0D > or mute the thread=0D > =0D > .=0D >=0D =0D =0D -- =0D You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.=0D Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub:=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2159#issuecomment-447149186= ----==_mimepart_5c12e18b2b5cc_549d3fe0316d45c4972c1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm not persuaded by this. There are two cases:
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=0D 1. An erroneous duplicate NCID.
=0D 2. Duplicated packets in the network.
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=0D If the other side is broken, there's no guarantee of consistency betwee= n
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=0D On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 2:33 PM Mike Bishop <notifications@github.com>= ;
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=0D > Because you're not realistically going to retain a total history o= f all
=0D > CIDs you've ever seen. You MAY treat it as an error if you notice = that one
=0D > recurs, so that servers are disincented from doing so, but you're = not
=0D > obliged to check that over the whole connection lifetime. However, wit= hout
=0D > maintaining that history for a sufficiently long time, you then can= 9;t
=0D > differentiate for certain between a retransmission of an old NCID fram= e and
=0D > a new issuance of the same CID (an error, but one you might miss).
= =0D > Therefore, you could wind up in a state where the peers disagree about=
=0D > whether a CID is still live.
=0D >
=0D > The options were a requirement to keep history for a certain length of=
=0D > time (and hope that packets don't get delayed longer than whatever=
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=0D > with a similar data structure as that which tracks whether Stream IDs = are
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Mostly improvements or neutral. As a general comment, you appear to be rewrapping your changed paragraphs to a different width than we've been using for these documents, which makes more appear to have changed than actually did. > @@ -1679,9 +1683,10 @@ peer from a new local address. In path validation, endpoints test reachability between a specific local address and a specific peer address, where an address is the two-tuple of IP address and port. -Path validation tests that packets can be both sent to and received from a peer -on the path. Importantly, it validates that the packets received from the -migrating endpoint do not carry a spoofed source address. +Path validation tests that packets (PATH_CHALLENGE) can be both sent +to and received (PATH_RESPONSE) from a peer on the path. Importantly, These are not packets. > @@ -1737,27 +1743,26 @@ to the same remote address from which the PATH_CHALLENGE was received. ## Successful Path Validation -A new address is considered valid when a PATH_RESPONSE frame is received -containing data that was sent in a previous PATH_CHALLENGE. Receipt of an -acknowledgment for a packet containing a PATH_CHALLENGE frame is not adequate -validation, since the acknowledgment can be spoofed by a malicious peer. +A new address is considered valid when A PATH_RESPONSE frame is received +that meets the following criteria: + +- It contains that was sent in a previous PATH_CHALLENGE. Receipt of an I think you a word out here. > @@ -2294,7 +2301,7 @@ coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission. ## Stateless Reset {#stateless-reset} -A stateless reset is provided as an option of last resort for an endpoint that +A stateless reset is provided as an option of last resort for a server that No, SR is bilateral, even if we expect servers to use them more frequently. > @@ -2338,14 +2345,15 @@ of the packet header. The remainder of the first byte and an arbitrary number of random bytes following it are set to unpredictable values. The last 16 bytes of the datagram contain a Stateless Reset Token. -A stateless reset will be interpreted by a recipient as a packet with a short -header. For the packet to appear as valid, the Random Bits field needs to -include at least 182 bits of random or unpredictable values (or 24 bytes, less -the two fixed bits). This is intended to allow for a destination connection ID -of the maximum length permitted, with a minimal packet number, and payload. The -Stateless Reset Token corresponds to the minimum expansion of the packet -protection AEAD. More random bytes might be necessary if the endpoint could -have negotiated a packet protection scheme with a larger minimum AEAD expansion. +A stateless reset will be interpreted by a recipient as a packet with +a short header. For the packet to appear as valid, the Random Bits +field needs to include at least 182 bits of data (or 24 bytes, less I appreciate that you're removing the suggestion that these should be "random" despite the name of the field. However, it seems worthwhile to keep "unpredictable" at least. > @@ -2447,9 +2455,11 @@ Note that Stateless Reset packets do not have any cryptographic protection. ### Looping {#reset-looping} -The design of a Stateless Reset is such that it is indistinguishable from a -valid packet. This means that a Stateless Reset might trigger the sending of a -Stateless Reset in response, which could lead to infinite exchanges. +The design of a Stateless Reset is such that without knowing the +stateless reset token it is indistinguishable from a valid packet. +This means that if a server sends a Stateless Reset to another server, +that might trigger the sending of a Stateless Reset in response, which Can we get rid of one of these "that"s? > @@ -3732,9 +3743,9 @@ ID that is chosen by the recipient of the packet; the Source Connection ID includes the connection ID that the sender of the packet wishes to use (see {{negotiating-connection-ids}}). -The first Handshake packet sent by a server contains a packet number of 0. -Handshake packets are their own packet number space. Packet numbers are -incremented normally for other Handshake packets. + Extra line seems unnecessary here. > @@ -3732,9 +3743,9 @@ ID that is chosen by the recipient of the packet; the Source Connection ID includes the connection ID that the sender of the packet wishes to use (see {{negotiating-connection-ids}}). -The first Handshake packet sent by a server contains a packet number of 0. -Handshake packets are their own packet number space. Packet numbers are -incremented normally for other Handshake packets. + +Handshake packets are their own packet number space, and thus +the first Handshake packet sent by a server contains a packet number of 0. Is this a requirement? Last I knew, some implementations were choosing to just keep a counter incrementing across all packet spaces, and that was okay. The key point is that (Initial,X) and (Handshake,X) are different packets, but IIRC there's no requirement that each space start at zero. > @@ -3847,10 +3858,11 @@ MUST include the value of the Original Destination Connection ID field of the Retry packet (that is, the Destination Connection ID field from the client's first Initial packet) in the transport parameter. -If the client received and processed a Retry packet, it validates that the -original_connection_id transport parameter is present and correct; otherwise, it -validates that the transport parameter is absent. A client MUST treat a failed -validation as a connection error of type TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR. +If the client received and processed a Retry packet, it MUST validate +that the original_connection_id transport parameter is present and +correct; otherwise, it validates that the transport parameter is +absent. A client MUST treat a failed validation as a connection error +of type TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR. 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Mostly improvements or neutral. As a general comment, you appear to be rewrapping your changed paragraphs to a different width than we've been using for these documents, which makes more appear to have changed than actually did.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1679,9 +1683,10 @@ peer from a new local address.  In path validation, endpoints test reachability
 between a specific local address and a specific peer address, where an address
 is the two-tuple of IP address and port.
 
-Path validation tests that packets can be both sent to and received from a peer
-on the path.  Importantly, it validates that the packets received from the
-migrating endpoint do not carry a spoofed source address.
+Path validation tests that packets (PATH_CHALLENGE) can be both sent
+to and received (PATH_RESPONSE) from a peer on the path.  Importantly,

These are not packets.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1737,27 +1743,26 @@ to the same remote address from which the PATH_CHALLENGE was received.
 
 ## Successful Path Validation
 
-A new address is considered valid when a PATH_RESPONSE frame is received
-containing data that was sent in a previous PATH_CHALLENGE. Receipt of an
-acknowledgment for a packet containing a PATH_CHALLENGE frame is not adequate
-validation, since the acknowledgment can be spoofed by a malicious peer.
+A new address is considered valid when A PATH_RESPONSE frame is received
+that meets the following criteria:
+
+- It contains that was sent in a previous PATH_CHALLENGE. Receipt of an

I think you a word out here.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2294,7 +2301,7 @@ coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission.
 
 ## Stateless Reset {#stateless-reset}
 
-A stateless reset is provided as an option of last resort for an endpoint that
+A stateless reset is provided as an option of last resort for a server that

No, SR is bilateral, even if we expect servers to use them more frequently.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2338,14 +2345,15 @@ of the packet header.  The remainder of the first byte and an arbitrary
 number of random bytes following it are set to unpredictable values.  The last
 16 bytes of the datagram contain a Stateless Reset Token.
 
-A stateless reset will be interpreted by a recipient as a packet with a short
-header.  For the packet to appear as valid, the Random Bits field needs to
-include at least 182 bits of random or unpredictable values (or 24 bytes, less
-the two fixed bits).  This is intended to allow for a destination connection ID
-of the maximum length permitted, with a minimal packet number, and payload.  The
-Stateless Reset Token corresponds to the minimum expansion of the packet
-protection AEAD.  More random bytes might be necessary if the endpoint could
-have negotiated a packet protection scheme with a larger minimum AEAD expansion.
+A stateless reset will be interpreted by a recipient as a packet with
+a short header.  For the packet to appear as valid, the Random Bits
+field needs to include at least 182 bits of data (or 24 bytes, less

I appreciate that you're removing the suggestion that these should be "random" despite the name of the field. However, it seems worthwhile to keep "unpredictable" at least.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2447,9 +2455,11 @@ Note that Stateless Reset packets do not have any cryptographic protection.
 
 ### Looping {#reset-looping}
 
-The design of a Stateless Reset is such that it is indistinguishable from a
-valid packet.  This means that a Stateless Reset might trigger the sending of a
-Stateless Reset in response, which could lead to infinite exchanges.
+The design of a Stateless Reset is such that without knowing the
+stateless reset token it is indistinguishable from a valid packet.
+This means that if a server sends a Stateless Reset to another server,
+that might trigger the sending of a Stateless Reset in response, which

Can we get rid of one of these "that"s?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3732,9 +3743,9 @@ ID that is chosen by the recipient of the packet; the Source Connection ID
 includes the connection ID that the sender of the packet wishes to use (see
 {{negotiating-connection-ids}}).
 
-The first Handshake packet sent by a server contains a packet number of 0.
-Handshake packets are their own packet number space.  Packet numbers are
-incremented normally for other Handshake packets.
+

Extra line seems unnecessary here.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3732,9 +3743,9 @@ ID that is chosen by the recipient of the packet; the Source Connection ID
 includes the connection ID that the sender of the packet wishes to use (see
 {{negotiating-connection-ids}}).
 
-The first Handshake packet sent by a server contains a packet number of 0.
-Handshake packets are their own packet number space.  Packet numbers are
-incremented normally for other Handshake packets.
+
+Handshake packets are their own packet number space, and thus
+the first Handshake packet sent by a server contains a packet number of 0.

Is this a requirement? Last I knew, some implementations were choosing to just keep a counter incrementing across all packet spaces, and that was okay. The key point is that (Initial,X) and (Handshake,X) are different packets, but IIRC there's no requirement that each space start at zero.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3847,10 +3858,11 @@ MUST include the value of the Original Destination Connection ID field of the
 Retry packet (that is, the Destination Connection ID field from the client's
 first Initial packet) in the transport parameter.
 
-If the client received and processed a Retry packet, it validates that the
-original_connection_id transport parameter is present and correct; otherwise, it
-validates that the transport parameter is absent.  A client MUST treat a failed
-validation as a connection error of type TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR.
+If the client received and processed a Retry packet, it MUST validate
+that the original_connection_id transport parameter is present and
+correct; otherwise, it validates that the transport parameter is
+absent.  A client MUST treat a failed validation as a connection error
+of type TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR.

Adding the MUST to the validate-is-present fork seems unnecessary, but if you're going to, isn't it also a MUST to validate-is-absent?

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----==_mimepart_5c12e277483f6_13813fd0444d45b4141323-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 14:52:57 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14240130EA9 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 14:52:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.842 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.842 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yrbDf_81nONi for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 14:52:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE113130EA2 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 14:52:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=jGS3uHYIKpi+/uCgrF2KXmpJRbU=; b=XDYI2FieMmSkKSh+ vjmd1k9Qob4T952NOgceLfJwiUYp5Dj7KqpZhdYYyduA2ScqRp23MPh4J3DaRQCW onveQyaeQJoV8r3T59fucC/NHzG1UV8Rh7gQvXwqzWrzitWe84KXbgDMn4g9ck2v tKrZ5h6eh/TIbfnCbS5FHu/xV3g= Received: by filter0009p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0009p1iad2-25703-5C12E2C4-C 2018-12-13 22:52:52.463289172 +0000 UTC m=+2038.261198236 Received: from github-lowworker-1c220e1.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.44]) by ismtpd0002p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id mzszwP2STEy-7UyYj5gdmg for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 22:52:52.486 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-1c220e1.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78C2416179A for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 14:52:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 22:52:52 +0000 (UTC) From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Multiple packets in HRR (#2169) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c12e2c477339_169f3fad7a2d45bc212246"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2SHl0FA9lz4vhnhFiGVhfM125OV5NublIqi/ iW6C9naIefhgmt40trii8TZd0xJ7M7n60+Mhplvbb3ArvxnmnkkNLETfKu83mGShmL2RGvUbeCggz0 Plbk0NKboLtHVg4esZTQMzckCPa+TloL9kutbEIr/ab69z9vvCuKyZgaBA== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 22:52:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c12e2c477339_169f3fad7a2d45bc212246 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ``` A client is not required to fit the ClientHello that it sends in response to a HelloRetryRequest message into a single UDP datagram. ``` I think the reasoning here is that the server creates state at the time it sends the HRR so it's fine to reassemble? If so, we should say that. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2169 ----==_mimepart_5c12e2c477339_169f3fad7a2d45bc212246 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 
A client is not required to fit the ClientHello that it sends in response to a
HelloRetryRequest message into a single UDP datagram.

I think the reasoning here is that the server creates state at the time it sends the HRR so it's fine to reassemble? If so, we should say that.

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Clients MUST pad UDP datagrams that contain only Initial packets to
ensure the size is at least 1200 bytes.

It is a bit vague if this includes AEAD tag or not. I assume it includes tag since this is the definition of QUIC packet size.

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This goes back to the thing you didn't like about receiving lower-valued= MAX_STREAM_DATA frames -- some implementations might have naive retransmis= sion strategies that retransmit frames which don't actually matter anymore.= It's suboptimal, but not illegal. If the frame shows up, even a really l= ong time later, we've stated that's not a failure condition.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c12e39a2fd60_408f3f8528ad45c0112075-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 14:59:59 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B84C6130EA9 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 14:59:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.782 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.782 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FUZZY_CREDIT=1.678, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OX7EAnCSXkX8 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 14:59:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 691E3127AC2 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 14:59:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 14:59:54 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544741994; bh=uGAwNw8ofs4oyTAyqqsXTRU5AiFYahj/NJoPRiOrguk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=fCnAN8B62bLVjbNwXhn1K01BqLL6IaBjmJXuYXo8liyMdD2/DjjSzz42b76lk0a3e BvbKUAjYmdrunGF6eDHraBqmNJmWofRL+t8yIPT+v5OJM4x5SMm6aOG6pV1vyM5AFo ZmnHIp+bNgg2YQ4AYM1MOc82T7OEneHH3CZCtht4= From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Ekr editorial 17 3 (#2164) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c12e46a8cbd_21333f87f90d45c4151379"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 22:59:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c12e46a8cbd_21333f87f90d45c4151379 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ekr commented on this pull request. > @@ -1679,9 +1683,10 @@ peer from a new local address. In path validation, endpoints test reachability between a specific local address and a specific peer address, where an address is the two-tuple of IP address and port. -Path validation tests that packets can be both sent to and received from a peer -on the path. Importantly, it validates that the packets received from the -migrating endpoint do not carry a spoofed source address. +Path validation tests that packets (PATH_CHALLENGE) can be both sent +to and received (PATH_RESPONSE) from a peer on the path. Importantly, +it validates that the packets received from the migrating endpoint do +not carry a spoofed source address. Sure.. I didn't change this text, I just added the parentheticals to make it clearer. This PR is essentially editorial > -For path validation to be successful, a PATH_RESPONSE frame MUST be received -from the same remote address to which the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE was -sent. If a PATH_RESPONSE frame is received from a different remote address than -the one to which the PATH_CHALLENGE was sent, path validation is considered to -have failed, even if the data matches that sent in the PATH_CHALLENGE. +- It is from the same remote address as that to which the + corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE was sent. If a PATH_RESPONSE frame is I think this text is fine > -For path validation to be successful, a PATH_RESPONSE frame MUST be received -from the same remote address to which the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE was -sent. If a PATH_RESPONSE frame is received from a different remote address than -the one to which the PATH_CHALLENGE was sent, path validation is considered to -have failed, even if the data matches that sent in the PATH_CHALLENGE. +- It is from the same remote address as that to which the + corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE was sent. If a PATH_RESPONSE frame is + received from a different remote address than the one to which the + PATH_CHALLENGE was sent, path validation is considered to have failed, + even if the data matches that sent in the PATH_CHALLENGE. I think this is fine > -If a PATH_RESPONSE frame is received on a different local address than the one -from which the PATH_CHALLENGE was sent, path validation is not considered to be -successful, even if the data matches the PATH_CHALLENGE. This doesn't result in -path validation failure, as it might be a result of a forwarded packet (see -{{off-path-forward}}) or misrouting. +Note that receipt on a different local address doesn't result in path Prefer as-is > @@ -2338,14 +2345,15 @@ of the packet header. The remainder of the first byte and an arbitrary number of random bytes following it are set to unpredictable values. The last 16 bytes of the datagram contain a Stateless Reset Token. -A stateless reset will be interpreted by a recipient as a packet with a short -header. For the packet to appear as valid, the Random Bits field needs to -include at least 182 bits of random or unpredictable values (or 24 bytes, less -the two fixed bits). This is intended to allow for a destination connection ID -of the maximum length permitted, with a minimal packet number, and payload. The -Stateless Reset Token corresponds to the minimum expansion of the packet -protection AEAD. More random bytes might be necessary if the endpoint could -have negotiated a packet protection scheme with a larger minimum AEAD expansion. +A stateless reset will be interpreted by a recipient as a packet with +a short header. For the packet to appear as valid, the Random Bits +field needs to include at least 182 bits of data (or 24 bytes, less +the two fixed bits). This is intended to allow for a destination +connection ID of the maximum length permitted, with a minimal packet I'll let MT weigh in on this. This is existing text. > @@ -2294,7 +2301,7 @@ coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission. ## Stateless Reset {#stateless-reset} -A stateless reset is provided as an option of last resort for an endpoint that +A stateless reset is provided as an option of last resort for a server that "A client MUST NOT include an original connection ID, a stateless reset token, or a preferred address. A server MUST treat receipt of any of these transport parameters as a connection error of type TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR." It does appear that a client can send one in NCID, but that's a real inconsistency. > @@ -2338,14 +2345,15 @@ of the packet header. The remainder of the first byte and an arbitrary number of random bytes following it are set to unpredictable values. The last 16 bytes of the datagram contain a Stateless Reset Token. -A stateless reset will be interpreted by a recipient as a packet with a short -header. For the packet to appear as valid, the Random Bits field needs to -include at least 182 bits of random or unpredictable values (or 24 bytes, less -the two fixed bits). This is intended to allow for a destination connection ID -of the maximum length permitted, with a minimal packet number, and payload. The -Stateless Reset Token corresponds to the minimum expansion of the packet -protection AEAD. More random bytes might be necessary if the endpoint could -have negotiated a packet protection scheme with a larger minimum AEAD expansion. +A stateless reset will be interpreted by a recipient as a packet with +a short header. For the packet to appear as valid, the Random Bits +field needs to include at least 182 bits of data (or 24 bytes, less The previous graf dicates the contents. This graf is about how the recipient will interpret them, and the recipient has no good way of knowing if they are random or unpredictable or whatever. > @@ -2447,9 +2455,11 @@ Note that Stateless Reset packets do not have any cryptographic protection. ### Looping {#reset-looping} -The design of a Stateless Reset is such that it is indistinguishable from a -valid packet. This means that a Stateless Reset might trigger the sending of a -Stateless Reset in response, which could lead to infinite exchanges. +The design of a Stateless Reset is such that without knowing the +stateless reset token it is indistinguishable from a valid packet. +This means that if a server sends a Stateless Reset to another server, +that might trigger the sending of a Stateless Reset in response, which feel free to suggest. > @@ -3732,9 +3743,9 @@ ID that is chosen by the recipient of the packet; the Source Connection ID includes the connection ID that the sender of the packet wishes to use (see {{negotiating-connection-ids}}). -The first Handshake packet sent by a server contains a packet number of 0. -Handshake packets are their own packet number space. Packet numbers are -incremented normally for other Handshake packets. + +Handshake packets are their own packet number space, and thus +the first Handshake packet sent by a server contains a packet number of 0. " The CRYPTO frame can be sent in different packet number spaces. The sequence numbers used by CRYPTO frames to ensure ordered delivery of cryptographic handshake data start from zero in each packet number space. " > @@ -3847,10 +3858,11 @@ MUST include the value of the Original Destination Connection ID field of the Retry packet (that is, the Destination Connection ID field from the client's first Initial packet) in the transport parameter. -If the client received and processed a Retry packet, it validates that the -original_connection_id transport parameter is present and correct; otherwise, it -validates that the transport parameter is absent. A client MUST treat a failed -validation as a connection error of type TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR. +If the client received and processed a Retry packet, it MUST validate +that the original_connection_id transport parameter is present and +correct; otherwise, it validates that the transport parameter is +absent. A client MUST treat a failed validation as a connection error +of type TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR. yes I agree. What I'm trying to do is remove language which is apparently descriptive but is actually normative. I.e., "the agent does X". That's a requirement -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2164#discussion_r241590333 ----==_mimepart_5c12e46a8cbd_21333f87f90d45c4151379 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@ekr commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1679,9 +1683,10 @@ peer from a new local address.  In path validation, endpoints test reachability
 between a specific local address and a specific peer address, where an address
 is the two-tuple of IP address and port.
 
-Path validation tests that packets can be both sent to and received from a peer
-on the path.  Importantly, it validates that the packets received from the
-migrating endpoint do not carry a spoofed source address.
+Path validation tests that packets (PATH_CHALLENGE) can be both sent
+to and received (PATH_RESPONSE) from a peer on the path.  Importantly,
+it validates that the packets received from the migrating endpoint do
+not carry a spoofed source address.

Sure.. I didn't change this text, I just added the parentheticals to make it clearer. This PR is essentially editorial

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-For path validation to be successful, a PATH_RESPONSE frame MUST be received
-from the same remote address to which the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE was
-sent. If a PATH_RESPONSE frame is received from a different remote address than
-the one to which the PATH_CHALLENGE was sent, path validation is considered to
-have failed, even if the data matches that sent in the PATH_CHALLENGE.
+- It is from the same remote address as that to which the
+  corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE was sent. If a PATH_RESPONSE frame is

I think this text is fine

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-For path validation to be successful, a PATH_RESPONSE frame MUST be received
-from the same remote address to which the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE was
-sent. If a PATH_RESPONSE frame is received from a different remote address than
-the one to which the PATH_CHALLENGE was sent, path validation is considered to
-have failed, even if the data matches that sent in the PATH_CHALLENGE.
+- It is from the same remote address as that to which the
+  corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE was sent. If a PATH_RESPONSE frame is
+  received from a different remote address than the one to which the
+  PATH_CHALLENGE was sent, path validation is considered to have failed,
+  even if the data matches that sent in the PATH_CHALLENGE.

I think this is fine

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-If a PATH_RESPONSE frame is received on a different local address than the one
-from which the PATH_CHALLENGE was sent, path validation is not considered to be
-successful, even if the data matches the PATH_CHALLENGE.  This doesn't result in
-path validation failure, as it might be a result of a forwarded packet (see
-{{off-path-forward}}) or misrouting.
+Note that receipt on a different local address doesn't result in path

Prefer as-is

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2338,14 +2345,15 @@ of the packet header.  The remainder of the first byte and an arbitrary
 number of random bytes following it are set to unpredictable values.  The last
 16 bytes of the datagram contain a Stateless Reset Token.
 
-A stateless reset will be interpreted by a recipient as a packet with a short
-header.  For the packet to appear as valid, the Random Bits field needs to
-include at least 182 bits of random or unpredictable values (or 24 bytes, less
-the two fixed bits).  This is intended to allow for a destination connection ID
-of the maximum length permitted, with a minimal packet number, and payload.  The
-Stateless Reset Token corresponds to the minimum expansion of the packet
-protection AEAD.  More random bytes might be necessary if the endpoint could
-have negotiated a packet protection scheme with a larger minimum AEAD expansion.
+A stateless reset will be interpreted by a recipient as a packet with
+a short header.  For the packet to appear as valid, the Random Bits
+field needs to include at least 182 bits of data (or 24 bytes, less
+the two fixed bits). This is intended to allow for a destination
+connection ID of the maximum length permitted, with a minimal packet

I'll let MT weigh in on this. This is existing text.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2294,7 +2301,7 @@ coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission.
 
 ## Stateless Reset {#stateless-reset}
 
-A stateless reset is provided as an option of last resort for an endpoint that
+A stateless reset is provided as an option of last resort for a server that

"A client MUST NOT include an original connection ID, a stateless reset token, or
a preferred address. A server MUST treat receipt of any of these transport
parameters as a connection error of type TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR."

It does appear that a client can send one in NCID, but that's a real inconsistency.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2338,14 +2345,15 @@ of the packet header.  The remainder of the first byte and an arbitrary
 number of random bytes following it are set to unpredictable values.  The last
 16 bytes of the datagram contain a Stateless Reset Token.
 
-A stateless reset will be interpreted by a recipient as a packet with a short
-header.  For the packet to appear as valid, the Random Bits field needs to
-include at least 182 bits of random or unpredictable values (or 24 bytes, less
-the two fixed bits).  This is intended to allow for a destination connection ID
-of the maximum length permitted, with a minimal packet number, and payload.  The
-Stateless Reset Token corresponds to the minimum expansion of the packet
-protection AEAD.  More random bytes might be necessary if the endpoint could
-have negotiated a packet protection scheme with a larger minimum AEAD expansion.
+A stateless reset will be interpreted by a recipient as a packet with
+a short header.  For the packet to appear as valid, the Random Bits
+field needs to include at least 182 bits of data (or 24 bytes, less

The previous graf dicates the contents. This graf is about how the recipient will interpret them, and the recipient has no good way of knowing if they are random or unpredictable or whatever.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2447,9 +2455,11 @@ Note that Stateless Reset packets do not have any cryptographic protection.
 
 ### Looping {#reset-looping}
 
-The design of a Stateless Reset is such that it is indistinguishable from a
-valid packet.  This means that a Stateless Reset might trigger the sending of a
-Stateless Reset in response, which could lead to infinite exchanges.
+The design of a Stateless Reset is such that without knowing the
+stateless reset token it is indistinguishable from a valid packet.
+This means that if a server sends a Stateless Reset to another server,
+that might trigger the sending of a Stateless Reset in response, which

feel free to suggest.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3732,9 +3743,9 @@ ID that is chosen by the recipient of the packet; the Source Connection ID
 includes the connection ID that the sender of the packet wishes to use (see
 {{negotiating-connection-ids}}).
 
-The first Handshake packet sent by a server contains a packet number of 0.
-Handshake packets are their own packet number space.  Packet numbers are
-incremented normally for other Handshake packets.
+
+Handshake packets are their own packet number space, and thus
+the first Handshake packet sent by a server contains a packet number of 0.

" The CRYPTO frame can be sent in different packet number spaces. The
sequence numbers used by CRYPTO frames to ensure ordered delivery of
cryptographic handshake data start from zero in each packet number
space.
"

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3847,10 +3858,11 @@ MUST include the value of the Original Destination Connection ID field of the
 Retry packet (that is, the Destination Connection ID field from the client's
 first Initial packet) in the transport parameter.
 
-If the client received and processed a Retry packet, it validates that the
-original_connection_id transport parameter is present and correct; otherwise, it
-validates that the transport parameter is absent.  A client MUST treat a failed
-validation as a connection error of type TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR.
+If the client received and processed a Retry packet, it MUST validate
+that the original_connection_id transport parameter is present and
+correct; otherwise, it validates that the transport parameter is
+absent.  A client MUST treat a failed validation as a connection error
+of type TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR.

yes I agree. What I'm trying to do is remove language which is apparently descriptive but is actually normative. I.e., "the agent does X". That's a requirement

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2338,14 +2345,15 @@ of the packet header.  The remainder of the first byte and an arbitrary
 number of random bytes following it are set to unpredictable values.  The last
 16 bytes of the datagram contain a Stateless Reset Token.
 
-A stateless reset will be interpreted by a recipient as a packet with a short
-header.  For the packet to appear as valid, the Random Bits field needs to
-include at least 182 bits of random or unpredictable values (or 24 bytes, less
-the two fixed bits).  This is intended to allow for a destination connection ID
-of the maximum length permitted, with a minimal packet number, and payload.  The
-Stateless Reset Token corresponds to the minimum expansion of the packet
-protection AEAD.  More random bytes might be necessary if the endpoint could
-have negotiated a packet protection scheme with a larger minimum AEAD expansion.
+A stateless reset will be interpreted by a recipient as a packet with
+a short header.  For the packet to appear as valid, the Random Bits
+field needs to include at least 182 bits of data (or 24 bytes, less
+the two fixed bits). This is intended to allow for a destination
+connection ID of the maximum length permitted, with a minimal packet

Our convention is that the term "connection ID" is not capitalized, but the fields named "Connection ID" are.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2294,7 +2301,7 @@ coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission.
 
 ## Stateless Reset {#stateless-reset}
 
-A stateless reset is provided as an option of last resort for an endpoint that
+A stateless reset is provided as an option of last resort for a server that
  • OCID is only applicable to servers because it's about Retry
  • Preferred Address is only applicable to servers and contains an SRT
  • SRT is useless if it's ever exchanged in the clear, which the client's TPs are

After the initial CID, the client can provide an SRT and the behavior is bilateral. There was a discussion about enabling the client to supply an SRT for the initial CID after the handshake, but there wasn't great appetite for the added complexity. If the server cares about getting an SRT, it just starts using the next CID as soon as it gets one.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2447,9 +2455,11 @@ Note that Stateless Reset packets do not have any cryptographic protection.
 
 ### Looping {#reset-looping}
 
-The design of a Stateless Reset is such that it is indistinguishable from a
-valid packet.  This means that a Stateless Reset might trigger the sending of a
-Stateless Reset in response, which could lead to infinite exchanges.
+The design of a Stateless Reset is such that without knowing the
+stateless reset token it is indistinguishable from a valid packet.
+This means that if a server sends a Stateless Reset to another server,
+that might trigger the sending of a Stateless Reset in response, which

"This means that if a server sends a Stateless Reset to another server, it might receive another Stateless Reset in response. As a result...."

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Well, if I understand the first, you are saying that RTO won't be nega= tively affected by this. But I'm concerned about RTT.

Excluding non-ack-eliciting packets changes the odds of encountering t= his, but that's all.

I lost track in #2060. There were pictures of inscrutable gra= phs. What I think I will request here is text explaining the consequence= s of these tweaks. Clearer text.

The text on the second just needs to be clearer.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3732,9 +3743,9 @@ ID that is chosen by the recipient of the packet; the Source Connection ID
 includes the connection ID that the sender of the packet wishes to use (see
 {{negotiating-connection-ids}}).
 
-The first Handshake packet sent by a server contains a packet number of 0.
-Handshake packets are their own packet number space.  Packet numbers are
-incremented normally for other Handshake packets.
+
+Handshake packets are their own packet number space, and thus
+the first Handshake packet sent by a server contains a packet number of 0.

That's the offset of the CRYPTO stream, not the packet numbers.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3847,10 +3858,11 @@ MUST include the value of the Original Destination Connection ID field of the
 Retry packet (that is, the Destination Connection ID field from the client's
 first Initial packet) in the transport parameter.
 
-If the client received and processed a Retry packet, it validates that the
-original_connection_id transport parameter is present and correct; otherwise, it
-validates that the transport parameter is absent.  A client MUST treat a failed
-validation as a connection error of type TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR.
+If the client received and processed a Retry packet, it MUST validate
+that the original_connection_id transport parameter is present and
+correct; otherwise, it validates that the transport parameter is
+absent.  A client MUST treat a failed validation as a connection error
+of type TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR.

Then "otherwise, it MUST validate that...."

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3018,11 +3018,23 @@ elements on the network path, an endpoint verifies the following when an ACK
 frame is received:

Thanks for that.

The pseudocode in the recovery draft drops packets from the "in flight" structure when they are declared lost and only treats packets as "newly acknowledged" if they are in that structure. I think that makes it clear enough.

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Versions are fixed size also. Packet numbers are similarly special.

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Idleness happens very frequently. You are basically saying that you always have to pace. Or that you can only burst packets up to the initial congestion window If that's the intent, please say so.

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What we have in practice is this:

A                       Attacker (Z)                  B

                                         <- [B:A]: Data
                     <- [B:A]: Data
[A:B]: ACK ->
                        [Z:B]: ACK ->

                                       X <- [B:Z]: Data
                                         <- [B:A]: Probe
                                       X <- [B:Z]: Probe

Provided the attacker isn't on path (where they could deny service any= way), the result is that the migration will fail as soon as the probe res= ponse arrives.

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Why is it probing B->A?

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Because we told it to:

In response to an apparent migration, endpoints MUST validate the previously active path using a PATH_CHALLENGE frame.

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@martinthomson approved this pull request.

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I'm OK with this (it deletes text, how can I resist). But I want to u= nderstand @gorryfair's concerns better.

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That is, I think that we have all of what you suggest already, with th= e exception of the message saying "I think that I'm migrating". I don't k= now how to do that. We don't really create any signals that A might use t= o learn that it is migrating.

If you see a new CID on a packet that is not Initial, you are probably= migrating. You can win races by copying and spoofing source address with= out having the ability to drop packets. A spoofed packet will cause the r= eal packet to be dropped by the endpoint if it arrives late.

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Just clarifying: this would be advice to implementations, nothing normative, right?

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----==_mimepart_5c12ee56dcd84_6a783f8b8aad45bc6697d-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 15:44:11 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E406130EBF for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 15:44:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.842 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.842 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vcIQ3lWHEWrF for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 15:44:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 04231130E26 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 15:44:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 15:44:07 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544744647; bh=0MwBmQK11ZcNZF75D794pR/2xbVZ0E5L6ATQIokhlbM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=jddAWK3+LpN3oDr+tW9aro+vOLuLi0EynudhJGXGq5iwW3SsH7B5+EFdnNqfnTb46 jFwDsQo/uxcT0yh6cyBoGPIle03R2sbTzSPv4we/xqyufnsANax2nGPTFWyUHzRKCg n0a2MPg/5D/Bhi1/meBmSjb2qNzeNpTelQd6Gaic= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Largest Reference algorithm can produce invalid values (#2112) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c12eec7ef4e_43973fdea9ad45b86747d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 23:44:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c12eec7ef4e_43973fdea9ad45b86747d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not at all, I'm just answering the question about the algorithm. What we do with the output of the algorithm doesn't need to change. Using 18 is invalid. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2112#issuecomment-447161935 ----==_mimepart_5c12eec7ef4e_43973fdea9ad45b86747d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Not at all, I'm just answering the question about the algorithm. What we do with the output of the algorithm doesn't need to change. Using 18 is invalid.

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Because we told it to:

In response to an apparent migration, endpoints MUST validate the prev= iously active path using a PATH_CHALLENGE frame.

OK. I missed that section. However, I'm not sure how much it changes t= hing, though. The question is how much impact an on-path attacker can che= aply have (and of course, this goes back to what we claim our security gu= arantees are).

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That is the list. If you think it should be reworded, I'm happy to take a PR.

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@ekr commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2294,7 +2301,7 @@ coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission.
 
 ## Stateless Reset {#stateless-reset}
 
-A stateless reset is provided as an option of last resort for an endpoint that
+A stateless reset is provided as an option of last resort for a server that

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3732,9 +3743,9 @@ ID that is chosen by the recipient of the packet; the Source Connection ID
 includes the connection ID that the sender of the packet wishes to use (see
 {{negotiating-connection-ids}}).
 
-The first Handshake packet sent by a server contains a packet number of 0.
-Handshake packets are their own packet number space.  Packet numbers are
-incremented normally for other Handshake packets.
+
+Handshake packets are their own packet number space, and thus
+the first Handshake packet sent by a server contains a packet number of 0.

My mistake. Here:

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-16#section-12.3

" This enforces cryptographic separation between the data sent in the
different packet sequence number spaces. Each packet number space
starts at packet number 0. Subsequent packets sent in the same
packet number space MUST increase the packet number by at least one."

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----==_mimepart_5c12ef84e1042_34953fa8492d45c01119ac-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 15:47:32 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5CAA130EBF for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 15:47:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.842 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.842 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pLqbDsoDHxuT for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 15:47:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 984E7130E26 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 15:47:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 15:47:28 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544744848; bh=+r+TzIUfScct9pxdtKtbDid7D8qIY6osVlcTZeOvV78=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=pg8BewOopSADnj5w7d6bylbCiYE9mUBVlhPtlnGlMw4zyNkOOYwJhqFVU/Ztykus0 OJodrs+jfVLaXj6B6kkoZl15/PEq+cnq+/uwgf+soaot5O7cTM6it/nJTv7+mmYmE7 D7Km0vyyCUW/zF3uRmmKJWwTGVZdm2XX+2dZ0lnY= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Why would late-arriving packets create state? (#2148) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c12ef90a5e2a_46d93fcb8d6d45b4861cf"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 23:47:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c12ef90a5e2a_46d93fcb8d6d45b4861cf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This was written when there was some uncertainty about what packets might look like. I think that we can truncate this sentence. Basically, you can drop state earlier, but it will mean that you won't be able to attribute any laggardly packets properly. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2148#issuecomment-447162578 ----==_mimepart_5c12ef90a5e2a_46d93fcb8d6d45b4861cf Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This was written when there was some uncertainty about what packets might look like. I think that we can truncate this sentence. Basically, you can drop state earlier, but it will mean that you won't be able to attribute any laggardly packets properly.

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Yeah, this is opaque.

I think that the logic is something like:

  • when receiving a packet, restart the idle timer
  • when sending an ACK-eliciting packet. if you haven't sent other ACK-e= liciting packets since the idle timer was started, restart the idle timer=

That is, if you send 10 packets, only the first of those restarts the = timer.

This clearly needs to be reworded.

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This may duplicate a previous issue, but there has been a lot of aggressive closing. Instead of using "quic hp", etc. we should use a label that reflects the QUIC version. Assuming I am counting correctly, we can do:

"qxxxxxxxx hp" where xx is the version in hex.

This would match TLS practice.

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That's not something that QUIC knows. HTTP does though. As advice, I don't think that this needs much more expansion, but I'd be happy to take a PR.

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The intent is for the peer to be able to read the packet, thus the rec= ommendation to use a lower level if you aren't sure that they have the ri= ght keys. If they have the right keys, then they will ignore the Initial= packet, if they don't then it's better to signal the error than have the= m keep trying.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -634,7 +634,7 @@ largest_sent_packet:
 : The packet number of the most recently sent packet.
 
 largest_acked_packet:
-: The largest packet number acknowledged in an ACK frame.
+: The largest packet number acknowledged by any ACK frame.

Isn't this in the packet number space?

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -634,7 +634,7 @@ largest_sent_packet:
 : The packet number of the most recently sent packet.
 
 largest_acked_packet:
-: The largest packet number acknowledged in an ACK frame.
+: The largest packet number acknowledged by any ACK frame.

I think that you mean "packet number space" rather than connection.

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I think that the first paragraph is just missing "... until it receives a non-probing packet from the client at its preferred address." Then maybe a simple: "The server MUST probe on the path toward its preferred address before sending non-probing packets."

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The recommendation exists to avoid linkability across a non-migrating change in connection ID.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  - Define DUPLICATE_PUSH frame to refer to another PUSH_PROMISE (#2072)
 - Set defaults for settings, allow request before receiving SETTINGS (#1809,
   #1846, #2038)
 - Clarify message processing rules for streams that aren't closed (#1972, #2003)
-- Removed reservation of error code 0 (#1922)
+- Removed reservation of error code 0 and moved HTTP_NO_ERROR to this value
+  (#1922)
+- Removed prohibition of zero-length DATA frames (#2098)

See, I knew that I'd checked that :)

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's what 5.4.4 says ```The first 4 bytes of the sampled ciphertext are interpreted as a 32-bit number in little-endian order and are used as the block count. The remaining 12 bytes are interpreted as three concatenated 32-bit numbers in little-endian order and used as the nonce.``` However, RFC 8439 says: ``` o A 96-bit nonce, treated as a concatenation of three 32-bit little- endian integers. o A 32-bit block count parameter, treated as a 32-bit little-endian integer. ``` This is a little confusing, but I think the correct way to read this is that the ChaCha function takes the nonce as a 96-bit opaque quantity, and the fact that it's little-endian is an internal detail irrelevant to our purposes, so we should just replace the second sentence with "The remaining 12 bytes are used as the 96-bit ChaCha nonce". This is reinforced by the fact that the test vectors have the nonce as a byte block. The situation with the counter is more complicated because we are told it is both a counter and 32-bits (which might make you think it's an integer parameter), but it is also treated as a little-endian integer, which makes one think it's a bitstring. And then the test vectors treat it as a value, rather than as a bitstring. If you look at code it typically thinks of this as an integer: See, for instance: https://searchfox.org/nss/source/lib/freebl/verified/Hacl_Chacha20.c#147 So, I think the right answer here is to think of ChaCha as having the following API: ``` ChaCha20(k [32]byte{}, nonce [12]byte{}, nonce uint32, []byte{}) ``` Note that because the value on the wire is in big-endian format, this would invert the nonce, but I think it's the right answer anyway. Otherwise, you're having to pass in the counter in the wrong format on big-endian platforms. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2171 ----==_mimepart_5c12f631b8630_785f3fcdf5ed45c42068b3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Here's what 5.4.4 says

in little-endian order and are used as the block count.  The remaining 12 bytes
are interpreted as three concatenated 32-bit numbers in little-endian order and
used as the nonce.```

However, RFC 8439 says:

o A 96-bit nonce, treated as a concatenation of three 32-bit little-
endian integers.

o A 32-bit block count parameter, treated as a 32-bit little-endian
integer.

 
This is a little confusing, but I think the correct way to read this is that the ChaCha function takes the nonce as a 96-bit opaque quantity, and the fact that it's little-endian is an internal detail irrelevant to our purposes, so we should just replace the second sentence with "The remaining 12 bytes are used as the 96-bit ChaCha nonce". This is reinforced by the fact that the test vectors have the nonce as a byte block.

The situation with the counter is more complicated because we are told it is both a counter and 32-bits (which might make you think it's an integer parameter), but it is also treated as a little-endian integer, which makes one think it's a bitstring. And then the test vectors treat it as a value, rather than as a bitstring. If you look at code it typically thinks of this as an integer:

See, for instance:
https://searchfox.org/nss/source/lib/freebl/verified/Hacl_Chacha20.c#147

So, I think the right answer here is to think of ChaCha as having the following API:

ChaCha20(k [32]byte{}, nonce [12]byte{}, nonce uint32, []byte{})


Note that because the value on the wire is in big-endian format, this would invert the nonce, but I think it's the right answer anyway. Otherwise, you're having to pass in the counter in the wrong format on big-endian platforms.

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----==_mimepart_5c12f631b8630_785f3fcdf5ed45c42068b3-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 16:19:03 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4007212E036 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 16:19:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.842 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.842 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qM2Q29hxlOlM for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 16:18:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9189D1286E7 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 16:18:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 16:18:58 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544746738; bh=8O08gdkziqJ9Lsjau4VJfjDRMp/C+/j7AvCl1nVRP58=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=LdTXmU4HAJltHn5yvi/QzlaLhDnRresLhF5RQt5iRgbSARw4VXIgZoekvbRLAwgi5 P+KZieO7RvFd9U1RPBbmu6tjf1bv/6HdUso6Xy8dJsfaOEct82oWS+SUUy7w1MF83v acHnYQZ8MIYNaSlTZ4ECPBNGRtRA9CfC3Ick0Z8s= From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] What's a short period? (#2172) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c12f6f26cd90_784d3fcdf5ed45c4897fc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 00:19:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c12f6f26cd90_784d3fcdf5ed45c4897fc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ``` An endpoint SHOULD retain old keys for a short period to allow it to decrypt packets with smaller packet numbers than the packet that triggered the key update. This allows an endpoint to consume packets that are reordered around the transition between keys. Packets with higher packet numbers always use the updated keys and MUST NOT be decrypted with old keys. ``` If you are going to have a 2119 SHOULD here, I think you need to explain what a short period is -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2172 ----==_mimepart_5c12f6f26cd90_784d3fcdf5ed45c4897fc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 
An endpoint SHOULD retain old keys for a short period to allow it to decrypt
packets with smaller packet numbers than the packet that triggered the key
update.  This allows an endpoint to consume packets that are reordered around
the transition between keys.  Packets with higher packet numbers always use the
updated keys and MUST NOT be decrypted with old keys.

If you are going to have a 2119 SHOULD here, I think you need to explain what a short period is

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duplicate.  Implementations SHOULD use caution in relying on any data which is
contained in Initial packets that is not otherwise authenticated.

This is pretty hard to make sense of. Am I relying on the data as a server when I take the DH key and work with it? That's not authenticated.

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Section 8.2 says:

Endpoints MUST NOT send this extension in a TLS connection that does not use
QUIC (such as the use of TLS with TCP defined in {{!TLS13}}).  A fatal
unsupported_extension alert MUST be sent if this extension is received when the
transport is not QUIC.

However, this directly contradicts TLS 1.3 https://tools.ietf.org/rfcmarkup?doc=8446#section-4.1.2, which says:

Servers MUST ignore unrecognized extensions.

In order to say this, this document would need to Update 8446, and even then it doesn't make sense because the presumptive point of this rule is to detect attempts to negotiate QUIC with non-QUIC TLS endpoints, which don't need to conform to this RFC (and may predate it).

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This doesn't look right

In using TLS, the central key schedule of TLS is used.  As a result of the TLS
handshake messages being integrated into the calculation of secrets, the
inclusion of the QUIC transport parameters extension ensures that handshake and
1-RTT keys are not the same as those that might be produced by a server running
TLS over TCP.  However, 0-RTT keys only include the ClientHello message and
might therefore use the same secrets.  To avoid the possibility of
cross-protocol key synchronization, additional measures are provided to improve
key separation.

The CH will also contain the QUIC transport parameters, so why aren't those keys different

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----==_mimepart_5c12f8afc6de7_755e3fc3ca4d45b822183c-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 16:30:31 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EADC1286E7 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 16:30:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.459 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.459 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ltkfJb9wSqOV for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 16:30:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B158512E036 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 16:30:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 16:30:27 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544747427; bh=5SCEmZhZQ3do1QjoUIcW4go2uAg9aqZy/0C2LNTIPhU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=xEPSf7DN0/6PskA0HFUJkcGRBymUhZCzF0TBDU7XQaJvVk1RoaKV/6Op30ByGHfox WXSwiH+JripL+g9SoptscNVx/jJn+CPcZ0n6cClWSh1xLCQRCBxvs666GB/zxGb2Db 9O6LPZzmoBP18TadMGyOlDnfW3UEngKoNSNJXS3w= From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Where can you send CONNECTION_CLOSE (#2151) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c12f9a3c5755_78553fcdf5ed45c4139736"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 00:30:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c12f9a3c5755_78553fcdf5ed45c4139736 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not sure. It seems like there are two policies: - Always use level N until you are sure that the other side has level N+1 - Always use the highest level. I take you to be proposing the first of these, which, I believe, means "use the highest level where you have received packets from the peer in (or zero)". This text may say that, but all this stuff about certain is kind of hard to parse. Rather than making people reason it out, I think we should provide them with a clear rule (for instance the one above). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2151#issuecomment-447170985 ----==_mimepart_5c12f9a3c5755_78553fcdf5ed45c4139736 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm not sure. It seems like there are two policies:

  • Always use level N until you are sure that the other side has level N= +1
  • Always use the highest level.

I take you to be proposing the first of these, which, I believe, means= "use the highest level where you have received packets from the peer in = (or zero)". This text may say that, but all this stuff about certain is k= ind of hard to parse. Rather than making people reason it out, I think we= should provide them with a clear rule (for instance the one above).

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I don't think that that's particularly useful, and it seems to create a bunch of new problems.

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I don't know. I think I will be happy as long as something is put into the draft.

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----==_mimepart_5c12f9ff24630_29063ff4540d45c0862f9-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 16:32:08 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CD06130EC8 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 16:32:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.459 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.459 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NzT-9A27g9y8 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 16:32:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8CEAE12E036 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 16:32:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 16:32:01 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544747521; bh=RlHqG/HwGpcWgSvN5hxg9y7yaoOCHY0UVrg9mFBFIWc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=g/gzNFsMR9Zdx7o5bAHxl2GF4PVypgzCtCUzGkvFOCF4ebvZBuexEq0m5HDiPRf8s lk/oy/zmIdQbh8Q2o7vWTDcSAceY+7zAzgtfnY45cY4FgOsMqwFvWtApuftEjMeVQ+ Qz/MNoxGuURm1jy6u2vt4XJ3BJ9BNWRyfedkeC5A= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Using caution (#2173) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c12fa0178ef9_77de3fc3ca4d45b850367a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 00:32:05 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c12fa0178ef9_77de3fc3ca4d45b850367a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think this might originate from early times where all sorts of frames could exist in early transmission. The text now says > The payload of an Initial packet includes a CRYPTO frame (or frames) containing a cryptographic handshake message, ACK frames, or both. PADDING and CONNECTION_CLOSE frames are also permitted. An endpoint that receives an Initial packet containing other frames can either discard the packet as spurious or treat it as a connection error. However, the connection error part might be inviting injection attacks? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2173#issuecomment-447171278 ----==_mimepart_5c12fa0178ef9_77de3fc3ca4d45b850367a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think this might originate from early times where all sorts of frame= s could exist in early transmission.

The text now says

The payload of an Initial packet includes a CRYPTO frame (or frames) c= ontaining a cryptographic handshake message, ACK frames, or both. PADDING= and CONNECTION_CLOSE frames are also permitted. An endpoint that receive= s an Initial packet containing other frames can either discard the packet= as spurious or treat it as a connection error.

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Commit Summary

  • Some clarifications
  • It's now not possible to send TLS 1.3 Early Data
  • Abort fraining period
  • Some other editorial stuff
  • Speling

File Changes

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----==_mimepart_5c12fa84f069_4fe3fe8088d45c01969af-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 16:35:22 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3092C130EC9 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 16:35:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.056 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.056 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hcTV1uyXa73K for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 16:35:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 43300130EC2 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 16:35:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 16:35:17 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544747717; bh=aG+bJga7f8ZSIKVzqaawO+7e4wc8rDam9n8W/NnitLs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=C5JD5igRFCSTuUJReaTAYaDNyHqOsWdRcFt5HXN748i2vT6s/W7WwygVFyc4tR+/F k0DkpdJ0yls3FWpayiz9BJcErRxEBv74ImajB7my+xpA5UiebrIBa/kJRt6KVbmRjY qckKb78Lv3cHDv1z2nlVhg1GsCH5dN1PLS8xAAl4= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Where can you send CONNECTION_CLOSE (#2151) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c12fac53d25c_5b1a3fec8e6d45c411617"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 00:35:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c12fac53d25c_5b1a3fec8e6d45c411617 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An endpoint could logically migrate to the next packet number space / encryption level for new transmissions while still keeping the previous level for retransmissions. If the connection dies before retransmission the peer might not be able to read latest crypto level even if this is where you normally send new data. It is easier and safer to send CLOSE on both channels rather than retransmitting the handshake history. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2151#issuecomment-447171892 ----==_mimepart_5c12fac53d25c_5b1a3fec8e6d45c411617 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

An endpoint could logically migrate to the next packet number space / = encryption level for new transmissions while still keeping the previous l= evel for retransmissions. If the connection dies before retransmission th= e peer might not be able to read latest crypto level even if this is wher= e you normally send new data. It is easier and safer to send CLOSE on bot= h channels rather than retransmitting the handshake history.

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The text matches my understanding of consensus. I guess that you can't access the markings if can't be bothered to write the code to access the markings.

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I disagree. The fix was to specifically a prohibition against accepting an ICMP PTB. We also had consensus not to support QUIC on paths that had a lower PMTU, but we don't have any text suggesting others.

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A MAY would have the intended effect.

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Though you could do: ``` struct Address { enum {...} ipVersion; uint8 length; switch (ipVersion) { } uint16 port; } ``` This would have the advantage that it would detect malformatted addresses directly in the parser. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2158#issuecomment-447172636 ----==_mimepart_5c12fbbdc5143_7f713f94246d45b4294691 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 2:39 PM Kazuho Oku <notifications@github.com&g= t; wrote:

> FWIW, in #2122 <https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2122= > we are
> discussing about using the structure to send multiple entries of
= > PreferredAddress (e.g., one that contains IPv4 address and the other=
> containing a IPv6 address).
>
> I'd assume that we would be doing either
>
> PreferredAddress addresses<x..y>;
>
> or
>
> struct Address {
> enum { IPv4(4), IPv6(6), (15) } ipVersion;
> opaque ipAddress<4..2^8-1>;
> uint16 port;
> }
> struct PreferredAddress {
> AddressPort addresses<x..y>;
> ...
> }
>
> Either ways, the length of the IP address would be required to keep = the
> structure extensible (i.e. allowing a new IP version to be defined).=
>

Yes, I agree if you do that, then you will need some kind of length
structure. Though you could do:

```
struct Address {
enum {...} ipVersion;
uint8 length;
switch (ipVersion) {


}
uint16 port;
}
```

This would have the advantage that it would detect malformatted addresses=
directly in the parser.

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Yep. I would be fine with a MAY, i just understood that filing issues rather than PRs was right.

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Closes #2155.

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  • Allow an endpoint to ignore a badly encoded frame type

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----==_mimepart_5c12fc0dc0c9e_3a53ff4540d45c010779d-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 16:42:44 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63601130EBF for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 16:42:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.842 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.842 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ni2WipecLfpe for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 16:42:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E20AE130EDE for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 16:42:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 16:42:40 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544748160; bh=Rx7vP8D+xHIhV0QG3VlK+PfH7221nEgiz3ty0Uqg1EA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=DsrWB9cCDlllOh+yXUwCT4M1bZMomzuqKNqMG+LD5AZhECatQ3jcN4WOSQJXXcWX/ O2pZDrl/522hlup8e++X45zLVSH7TYeUZaTmpexSkzpc3AgQOTO1LFsWMUv+W/HHQE rrpStxBzmcwCq1RwnXqnEmJysX3VFsJZhAlj0ft0= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Don't levy requirements on non-QUIC TLS endpoints (#2174) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c12fc80cc263_386f3ff7376d45c0292515"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 00:42:43 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c12fc80cc263_386f3ff7376d45c0292515 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think QUIC can tell anyone what do with regard to any protocol that is not QUIC. And since QUIC v1 carries its own TLS record wrapping it makes even less sense. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2174#issuecomment-447173198 ----==_mimepart_5c12fc80cc263_386f3ff7376d45c0292515 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I don't think QUIC can tell anyone what do with regard to any protocol that is not QUIC. And since QUIC v1 carries its own TLS record wrapping it makes even less sense.

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I agree with the problem statement, however I wonder if this opens a session ticket obtained using TLS13-over-TCP to be used in QUIC. Is that what we want?

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----==_mimepart_5c12fddb824dd_7aef3fc3ca4d45b82829bd-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 16:49:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED44E12E036 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 16:49:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.842 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.842 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4oJRXtDAW2xT for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 16:49:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 269A5130EBF for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 16:49:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 16:49:46 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544748586; bh=KxYaN1nasYEzdREqZ729Ib84MFfaaph9dvq2S1Dhqr4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=imdDV/0Eo4Og3RiH5XrhU71zsZ7UQhuwG3sz2E7NpdudexZaU5cNmRkuOXm4N6b/E 8ECTi4LUBE3PxJfw9gVBdgGNhICqkxKE74OJ+K2L+Cz2+6XieG0ptQ8Bb2fbLNHKZl sATPpp2CqxdgOSizpcoL0UpHVWRuYW26Xkp3wm3s= From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Rename ACK block something else? (#2178) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c12fe2adbae0_642b3ff0fccd45c460165"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 00:49:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c12fe2adbae0_642b3ff0fccd45c460165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An ACK frame currently consists of: - A header - An ACK block count (N) - A field called ACK blocks which consists of - A single field called "First ack block" (if N > 0) - N-1 repeats of a pair of fields called respectively "gap" and "Additional ACK block" (Please correct me if I have misread this). It's a bit weird to call these fields "blocks" because really they are the length of something, rather than a block. Perhaps "ACK Range"? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2178 ----==_mimepart_5c12fe2adbae0_642b3ff0fccd45c460165 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

An ACK frame currently consists of:

  • A header
  • An ACK block count (N)
  • A field called ACK blocks which consists of
    • A single field called "First ack block" (if N > 0)
    • N-1 repeats of a pair of fields called respectively "gap" and "Additional ACK block"

(Please correct me if I have misread this).

It's a bit weird to call these fields "blocks" because really they are the length of something, rather than a block. Perhaps "ACK Range"?

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----==_mimepart_5c12fe2adbae0_642b3ff0fccd45c460165-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 16:50:42 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D07CA12E036 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 16:50:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.842 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.842 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hbDp3oKtBqTe for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 16:50:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3EB58130EBF for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 16:50:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 16:50:38 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544748638; bh=dZ4tPt2NFDHOQaKCXP9lrR+pj8mDVgk2Ji+IqDXOKjo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=jY4PFrEzKXdMALrPv16sHXOcpiY3WtENETwu5BCmv5VvJ7UpynlnTGzH08Pu1CAeT ohQJbMFpuzKN4cwiHkIB+kQj0ki88mN1L0BPLEyM1G3eQq2BCsWcZPmfvuJ7iYgfoa gNKemknYCuNPG5a32s5vOb74DiLaYNL6lHtnJYT8= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Why is ipAddress variable length (#2158) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c12fe5e30d38_4b43f84e66d45c09003e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 00:50:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c12fe5e30d38_4b43f84e66d45c09003e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Doesn't that have the same encoding as the following? Assuming that they are identical, I do not mind either ways. ``` struct Address { enum { ... } ipVersion; opaque ipAddress<0..2^8-1>; uint16 port; } ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2158#issuecomment-447174591 ----==_mimepart_5c12fe5e30d38_4b43f84e66d45c09003e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Doesn't that have the same encoding as the following? Assuming that they are identical, I do not mind either ways.

struct Address {
    enum { ... } ipVersion;
    opaque ipAddress<0..2^8-1>;
    uint16 port;
}

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I agree we had consensus not to support QUIC on paths with a lower MTU, but the problem is the over-specific requirement that I do something about it.

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That seems like spec lawyering, when we have an opportunity to make this clear.

Suppose that I am on a platform which supports ECN, but I just choose not to do anything with it. Do you believe I am compliant with this document or not?

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----==_mimepart_5c12ff291e3fa_dd63fc36bcd45c41242e6-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 16:56:01 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF322130F59 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 16:55:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.842 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.842 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TroQl8vJZcwZ for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 16:55:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 99880130F0A for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 16:55:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 16:55:53 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544748953; bh=QNSUyKLlxtLiY9sziDWD88/Er6nH95gpbRqu06IcxWQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=x69KR9Ly0BQK0cxK/YKEdBA+Yz8Nh5qk5rESYwbKSCgql4Nd7ItvicSAGWuT7ahsI bzkjbf5YHNsjaKG4Z2zLPutjWKAD3TW3nAGDRQVTGhe0NRqUPhLCG2rRnjrLZyv4Kj ZhFF6lbBDkXRIe94/CUnr7B5Dt+rwMxc7uB8AGT4= From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Don't levy requirements on non-QUIC TLS endpoints (#2174) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c12ff999dc0b_30b13fee36cd45c46831f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 00:56:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c12ff999dc0b_30b13fee36cd45c46831f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @kazuho: why would this text have an impact on that? Couldn't I negotiate TLS 1.3 over TCP w/o extension and then send the resume over QUIC w/ extension? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2174#issuecomment-447175515 ----==_mimepart_5c12ff999dc0b_30b13fee36cd45c46831f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@kazuho: why would this text have an impact on that? Couldn't I negotiate TLS 1.3 over TCP w/o extension and then send the resume over QUIC w/ extension?

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Well the text doesn't say "at least". It says "to". so are we talking about negative padding?

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----==_mimepart_5c12ffbdeef53_3f503fdefb6d45c419627-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 16:58:01 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB790130ED6 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 16:57:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.842 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.842 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nO_SjjXsY96K for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 16:57:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CEFD130EC8 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 16:57:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 16:57:56 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544749076; bh=0nm5IqEwVwdqENOPC8apq1KjUBzXE6RxEFPKIDM6D8E=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=uNj2CIeF4RmEBHsodtTHj0NCY0FiD3WBQEnnkLSTd4iScJE59t0uv9RzXqCWaipqK A7swhU10gP/R/39AGrD/rewM3Rls8HZwZJ5Asdrik3O0Ycx8pP2NL74b+wr/GOGj45 kWllog+RRb83YE+N0hUB8GZIrV2TJAywMHP+qqVk= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Key Diversity (#2175) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c1300144d0b2_25ba3fd0418d45b82772"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 00:57:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c1300144d0b2_25ba3fd0418d45b82772 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, but a TLS/TCP server will ignore those, so it's the transport parameters in EncryptedExtensions that ensure diversity. This is defense is depth, as it says. What do you think we should say instead? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2175#issuecomment-447175904 ----==_mimepart_5c1300144d0b2_25ba3fd0418d45b82772 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Yes, but a TLS/TCP server will ignore those, so it's the transport parameters in EncryptedExtensions that ensure diversity.

This is defense is depth, as it says. What do you think we should say instead?

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----==_mimepart_5c1300144d0b2_25ba3fd0418d45b82772-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 16:58:45 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F151C130EC8 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 16:58:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.056 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.056 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ipNQbqLQckBd for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 16:58:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8EA15130EBF for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 16:58:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 16:58:39 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544749119; bh=LLSE3Zhi+ps6ApiPKW00HOST+3BjGUk2q+E4J0tGvXQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=QRZg77vhAvUSWWTHAmk172HAew+t6J1FXehe2XVyRJyenSjgTrd1VfLdstBXHu0Up gxPA1JxlVWcH8VTaNjzNTSAM57PVCtmznDk615k+2iza6i6n0FzWSwdckmfXMSTah9 KoVc8xlKuCrJd5PaOlvqN3PzZx8zeNGbPULkz0m4= From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] If you don't reset DCID you will repeat keys. (#2179) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c13003fa50b7_5bd3fe0334d45c43638e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 00:58:43 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c13003fa50b7_5bd3fe0334d45c43638e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ``` Note that if you don't reset DCID, you repeat keys A client sets the Destination Connection ID field of this Initial packet to the value from the Source Connection ID in the Retry packet. Changing Destination Connection ID also results in a change to the keys used to protect the Initial packet. It also sets the Token field to the token provided in the Retry. The client MUST NOT change the Source Connection ID because the server could include the connection ID as part of its token validation logic (see {{validate-future}}). ``` Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the server chooses a DCID that is the same as the client's DCID (which, I believe it can do), then you would get the same keys. Arguably, this doesn't matter b/c any attacker who is on-path can derive the keys anyway, but... -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2179 ----==_mimepart_5c13003fa50b7_5bd3fe0334d45c43638e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 
Note that if you don't reset DCID, you repeat keys


A client sets the Destination Connection ID field of this Initial packet to the
value from the Source Connection ID in the Retry packet. Changing Destination
Connection ID also results in a change to the keys used to protect the Initial
packet. It also sets the Token field to the token provided in the Retry. The
client MUST NOT change the Source Connection ID because the server could include
the connection ID as part of its token validation logic (see
{{validate-future}}).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the server chooses a DCID that is the same as the client's DCID (which, I believe it can do), then you would get the same keys. Arguably, this doesn't matter b/c any attacker who is on-path can derive the keys anyway, but...

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----==_mimepart_5c13003fa50b7_5bd3fe0334d45c43638e-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 16:59:50 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32E39130EC8 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 16:59:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.842 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.842 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WQbed0rWLdih for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 16:59:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EB38C130EBF for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 16:59:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 16:59:45 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544749185; bh=Usdzog9VFeD4vPnHDT2LluYryESmckE4BcAtA47IPCY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Q4IG+5961xotSlb54oCRCt8AHflnDqAtTvF+jjRuKkHYDiE0sy3zLJIeJg0IfthBY RuTzVCH+lNi+0HYDFbcyQM6G9lIdttR48uoVgerSwZVRUYO1tRHGbENyo2xEDjeP2e L94hp3tmO2qTwM6FseVVLAIwZdiDtew5LBcpQVcQ= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Don't levy requirements on non-QUIC TLS endpoints (#2174) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c13008113ef8_3cf3feb782d45bc151365"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 00:59:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c13008113ef8_3cf3feb782d45bc151365 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The point here is to insist on the alert if the extension is understood. This wasn't intended to supersede 8446. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2174#issuecomment-447176211 ----==_mimepart_5c13008113ef8_3cf3feb782d45bc151365 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The point here is to insist on the alert if the extension is understood. This wasn't intended to supersede 8446.

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----==_mimepart_5c13008113ef8_3cf3feb782d45bc151365-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 17:01:09 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6560130EBF for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 17:01:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.914 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.914 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BEbSCSTsxsmb for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 17:01:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 177A5130EC8 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 17:01:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 17:01:06 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544749266; bh=xAXklM9FrE+SM+Z+SK5YzmZL/9KWXyNLuTPymjEXORU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=o1G3oL9iBDYGxfHokFhXWQoS3jYotqBLsOfziInsd/2OnpydW0oFlh+woi0omUI2z /r7OUJw9+3J9lQzsNiROWSI7BWREIHA3QevQHfaaiY09SO+bHxFgBHx3cKcNCLJsvM 9PVZJ6A8qnaWoTMCv1kTaD5hnyDMKWIvXwdXUXKY= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ChaCha inputs (#2171) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c1300d22ab7b_19333fb1d08d45c0556ea"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 01:01:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c1300d22ab7b_19333fb1d08d45c0556ea Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, this should simplify that text some. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2171#issuecomment-447176468 ----==_mimepart_5c1300d22ab7b_19333fb1d08d45c0556ea Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Yeah, this should simplify that text some.

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I will await a PR then.

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----==_mimepart_5c1300fce6dbc_54083f88578d45b866037-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 17:02:43 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA447130EBF for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 17:02:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.056 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.056 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OMX2D7S3CI0K for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 17:02:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3296130ED6 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 17:02:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 17:02:38 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544749358; bh=m0ARyJwuNNHKxzJ0GY5YmuOzGD8DmBWXN4CssgaGL+o=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=lzvo3KdeX6EqUmAJDYLg2MzmWPQNJoLx5kd37DlHzHaAkBysD8WHbyY+GR7xeqJqX 1+aZxLrdioC0T+4utn8Tzspp2MYZCLhSipWrkMd7Rnx343bvaxlK0GmbK3c1QHJTm3 KC4ycasGD/d0zcekSC0EqhYuHQROBznwwH2VaycM= From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Key Diversity (#2175) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c13012ecee61_4ac3f84e66d45c0202981"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 01:02:42 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c13012ecee61_4ac3f84e66d45c0202981 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not sure, because I'm not really sure what this is trying to say. Concretely, the concern seems to be that it would be possible to somehow transplant 0-RTT QUIC data onto a TLS-over-TCP connection or vice versa? However, I don't believe this is actually possible even if the same keys are used because QUIC long header packets are incompatible cryptographically with TLS records. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2175#issuecomment-447176704 ----==_mimepart_5c13012ecee61_4ac3f84e66d45c0202981 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm not sure, because I'm not really sure what this is trying to say. = Concretely, the concern seems to be that it would be possible to somehow = transplant 0-RTT QUIC data onto a TLS-over-TCP connection or vice versa? = However, I don't believe this is actually possible even if the same keys = are used because QUIC long header packets are incompatible cryptographica= lly with TLS records.

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@ekr My bad. I was confused with the earlier versions of the QUIC-TLS draft that had the transport_parameters extension in the session tickets.

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What are you being asked to do? The only requirement in text is that you ignore ICMP PTB with a size of <1280.

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----==_mimepart_5c1301c61242c_19673fb1d08d45c013254b-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 17:05:37 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FABC130ED6 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 17:05:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.842 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.842 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i8u-NWfzNsyS for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 17:05:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A06B6130EBF for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 17:05:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 17:05:33 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544749533; bh=c4tuHLMMz2Jiat1zy/PjgAD/c8xHMOoELXWah42WCqI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=SOqyM/SvAPfy1J60tT1a1t19Br4iNz1ix9G6KyupJF+y1SAvRTTWkViU2Nl443tjZ 3RaCbIYLLqq8TH+cXnB6DaetHzB7g7ru0CjAlLAk/wbHiEC6pMtUVTkA7adBuWbcAR gK9HkQjRDrC1mpn0HWHF+XFw31ai2Wld8vUzPcSQ= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] How long is Initial (#2167) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c1301ddc1c5a_16de3fc3950d45c46031f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 01:05:36 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c1301ddc1c5a_16de3fc3950d45c46031f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was my suggestion to clarify the text. Not negative padding, merely 0 padding if necessary. I think that is quite normal. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2167#issuecomment-447177251 ----==_mimepart_5c1301ddc1c5a_16de3fc3950d45c46031f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I was my suggestion to clarify the text. Not negative padding, merely 0 padding if necessary. I think that is quite normal.

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the relevant text is in 14.1.

   If a QUIC endpoint determines that the PMTU between any pai=
r of local
   and remote IP addresses has fallen below the size needed to support
   the smallest allowed maximum packet size, it MUST immediately cease
   sending QUIC packets on the affected path.  An endpoint MAY terminate
   the connection if an alternative path cannot be found.

This would apply to other methods than ICMP PTB, for instance, Etherne= t or VPN MTU reduction

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@martinthomson I think you could phrase that, but is it useful, given that we can't rely on it?

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@ekr

Unfortunately, it does not, because the version I proposed would inclu= de the size of the port in the length.

I see. So your version is equivalent to:

struct IPv4Address {
    byte ipaddr[4];
    uint16 port;
};

struct IPv6Address {
    byte ipaddr[16];
    uint16 port;
};

struct Address {
    enum { ... } ipVersion;
    struct {
        switch (ipVersion) {
        case v4: IPv4Address;
        case v6: IPv6Address;
       }
    } <0..2^8-1>;
};

That works for me, and I think it makes sense to define port as a property of each address type.

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I've been trying to reason about Retry and in particular the following text:

   The next Initial packet from the client uses the connection ID and
   token values from the Retry packet (see Section 7.2).  Aside from
   this, the Initial packet sent by the client is subject to the same
   restrictions as the first Initial packet.  A client can either reuse
   the cryptographic handshake message or construct a new one at its
   discretion.

This seems like it really is saying that a Retry is a new connection, and in particular that the server cannot memorize the CRYPTO from the previous Initial (which it might otherwise choose to do). I'm still trying to figure out if this is the right answer, but it seems confusing to allow the client to have both behaviors, especially as we encourage the "construct a new one". Also, if you construct a new one, could you potentially reuse the KeyShare values (might be an issue with PQ).

I'm not quite sure what I think about this, but I wanted to post an issue to see if other people think it's weird and if so, maybe we should take a more prescriptive stance.

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----==_mimepart_5c130433e6978_78943f8b918d45bc1782a2-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 17:16:48 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7B89130F1D for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 17:16:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.914 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.914 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WIbkQdkXJm04 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 17:16:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E2890130F15 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 17:16:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 17:16:43 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544750204; bh=BJCyfZmWdzNQFoHkwgwHuaur38lPSmXV+z4gT9HQ80U=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=qWsaAayVehYESLUnz02Xx15qcOEdqOsrTa0DOolCnmmVsMFvqTndS8z76GNIm+91y WbRgrDmaeW4vzJmM6FppMieLuJkj8IhauVxvdXr/w5oT0nI0ryo+VnBuaOAODHSXae JScbKUqrEPrKtTg2PzBDPJNyyjEoEJq+f+5+HLXY= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ICMP DOS (#2063) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c13047bf2191_ea13fc36bcd45c41563be"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 01:16:47 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c13047bf2191_ea13fc36bcd45c41563be Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yep. We had consensus for that text. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2063#issuecomment-447179366 ----==_mimepart_5c13047bf2191_ea13fc36bcd45c41563be Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Yep. We had consensus for that text.

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Issues are probably best if there is a design change involved (as there is here - sort of). PRs are always good.

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----==_mimepart_5c13057a1a5ea_72653fcf1e4d45b81120a9-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 17:23:48 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA8B2130F3E for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 17:23:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.914 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.914 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yI3-5q1wcAcB for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 17:23:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 505AC130F4D for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 17:23:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 17:23:36 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544750616; bh=KxBX7zzbkxEjkDn//+AlROIHKd79z59/ki+7CJIWDBs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=YwOikycb+oEnmaPwTySb5pBvnFcoy20wTfC5GDSpodwqXs+X6jtysY4E1Zg9hq8Pv pGYO9wgqBYhvlnFFQKAq+DZ7vnam9GdyYPDWpkvKBQlMKuhHxsq9Sl41TXo1YCb8mE 9ryf+6nHFFT9ukm7Jl1goqcqhPBnxLYngCd5mLWs= From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ICMP DOS (#2063) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c13061840879_71a23fdefb6d45c47263e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 01:23:47 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c13061840879_71a23fdefb6d45c47263e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can you please point me to where that consensus call was taken? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2063#issuecomment-447180584 ----==_mimepart_5c13061840879_71a23fdefb6d45c47263e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Can you please point me to where that consensus call was taken?

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----==_mimepart_5c13061840879_71a23fdefb6d45c47263e-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 17:23:58 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8FFE131021 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 17:23:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.842 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.842 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V47ipKZPjKSN for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 17:23:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B2C4130FC5 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 17:23:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 17:23:42 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544750622; bh=x1QyCmbhxG6Snss7up+RM/y7X8uAKQ9QeJQG1upcPPk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=NeBvoQlCIAssfZuo0Me5FyAxorz3r5YWZ9poy2jiaW8RJfeZpLY5e0TirduKfOB38 p05xvYp6qQU/j8GugQfjTuc6DPVqvV+RpAdXxk8Gcibx6lX7dbCDvv6kArCzq55LLa 2zNjjrBZrdKB8avgWFFfFAHJfRsmDV1+drkeJlPc= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Rename ACK block something else? (#2178) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c13061e71ea7_6e233ff0fccd45c42030c9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 01:23:57 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c13061e71ea7_6e233ff0fccd45c42030c9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is approximately correct. I don't like this layout, but that's the basic format The first ack block/range is always present so I think we should move the description of that out of the ranges. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2178#issuecomment-447180602 ----==_mimepart_5c13061e71ea7_6e233ff0fccd45c42030c9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This is approximately correct. I don't like this layout, but that's the basic format

The first ack block/range is always present so I think we should move the description of that out of the ranges.

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I see, I misread.

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   indicating the number of acknowledged packets that precede the
   largest packet number in that block.  A value of zero indicates that
   only the largest packet number is acknowledged.  Larger ACK Block

So, actually, it's N repeats.

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This text is in -02, and the chairs made a call here: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/quic/ZGN6z-5oYnEXRGafi_zvqKjDcnM

That lists "#139 - Minimum MTU"

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No. But I believe that we had consensus to require ECN. My point here is that if you don't like that requirement, no one is stopping you from being non-compliant.

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I like the proposed change, the text had somewhat confused me when implementing this in a previous life.

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I thought that we had a requirement to keep increasing the nonce.

(You say that this isn't a problem, and I agree that it isn't given the ease with which keys are obtained. But there are tweaks to the protocol being contemplated that might trip over this.)

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----==_mimepart_5c1309163e05a_79f03ff6b0ad45bc767f2-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 17:38:00 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA0C5130F72 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 17:37:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.842 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.842 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id moYwKfR7gprB for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 17:37:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B03B4130FC8 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 17:37:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 17:37:50 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544751470; bh=GC5NDSDttmNySjNDg+3SLYZxbqSfaEKnZuRin1qIddc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=z1xnIgw5G5MG4sPABOjXzCSpKafXTsrpOvhpErkXnq9hcoaWBBKwUld1txw4cUedj Bml2TER7C22kU2QBttbtIX4PvgA3R7qAtnvP5TtWdl/6EJiZw4U7MHYhTkuQeWU+WG 2qOPiBEyjH+mw/4D8Vb8c3erJxBJU/yFj/EiK7+Y= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Key Diversity (#2175) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c13096e97551_28543fc3778d45bc53368"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 01:37:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c13096e97551_28543fc3778d45bc53368 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, the transplanting is prevented by many things. The extension, the fact that the formats are incompatible, and key diversity. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2175#issuecomment-447183127 ----==_mimepart_5c13096e97551_28543fc3778d45bc53368 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Yes, the transplanting is prevented by many things. The extension, the fact that the formats are incompatible, and key diversity.

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----==_mimepart_5c13096e97551_28543fc3778d45bc53368-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 17:41:19 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF462130F32 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 17:41:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.056 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.056 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yI_o496k4T9q for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 17:41:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 97C29130F15 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 17:41:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 17:41:14 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544751674; bh=Hr2bFL6r86NaQvFBln87BLgSW6bkqtNwO27cWgqZChM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=r71LdZQ7DsmkBX6tzJOv5Eb2jXbnE4DCzDUFozvMXS96iTFv2jcettTSVxu1afQ8I Xl3i0LRa3JPk8+/CY+e4lc4JatFvmE1SmamNUufo5AY751GukPLafKKvaUU4tI20Ix Z7xGwLLDlFhjzHuS9SPgImHIDbv0JOp3zYqU7NvE= From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ECN not required (#2156) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c130a3a95cac_7fe23f804f8d45b4139764"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 01:41:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c130a3a95cac_7fe23f804f8d45b4139764 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This wasn't my understanding, and I would have objected to it if I had understood it to be that. @mnot @larseggert what is your understanding of the situation? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2156#issuecomment-447183689 ----==_mimepart_5c130a3a95cac_7fe23f804f8d45b4139764 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This wasn't my understanding, and I would have objected to it if I had understood it to be that. @mnot @larseggert what is your understanding of the situation?

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----==_mimepart_5c130a3a95cac_7fe23f804f8d45b4139764-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 17:42:13 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5E8A130F15 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 17:42:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.914 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.914 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7OWFbB0DPUMT for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 17:42:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EDFA3128CE4 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 17:42:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 17:42:06 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544751726; bh=y/tVtYkZqVMHBEP6Q+GmkyUryB8ep7e3TgxerBCu2Y4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=qug5jee+H3iy1NAEhq8Mo+k2UNaP+L5njTzQroPqQcHNJasT3NEn9mmrEb8hwy/Tg VTyhw9iNSBLh3DdsWyh0bj9HOvBTtSTPxCjyR+W5bMDMZR+KEncvQnrLtp2kVqKTJ+ WtujQXyGq+wen9ex1H8XFdCoEILxRkSvfXKsiJZM= From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] If you don't reset DCID you will repeat keys. (#2179) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c130a6e9be32_d3d3f8e312d45c0299693"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 01:42:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c130a6e9be32_d3d3f8e312d45c0299693 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think you would get the same keys but a new PN -- but this text says something different. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2179#issuecomment-447183829 ----==_mimepart_5c130a6e9be32_d3d3f8e312d45c0299693 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think you would get the same keys but a new PN -- but this text says something different.

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What it is is that the ClientHello needs to fit into a 1200 byte packet. That's a requirement on the cryptographic handshake.

It is also the case that a packet of less than 1200 bytes needs to be padded.

So we add "at least" and we're done, I think.

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I don't really read the thread that way, but It's not worth fighting over.

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Closed #2063.

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Closes #2167.

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What it is is that the ClientHello needs to fit into a 1200 byte packet.= That's a requirement on the cryptographic handshake.

I'm still confused, because here you're saying it has to fit in 1200 byt= es, but the text above says it has to fit into a packet which impl= ies that you could go to (say) 1600 bytes and have IP fragmentation. So whi= ch is it?

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packet = QUIC packet unless specifically qualified.

This doesn't say anything about IP fragmentation.

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I agree. So my point is that this text says it's legal to have your Initial packet by 2048 bytes long, because that fits in a QUIC packet. But your message above says that that's not OK.

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----==_mimepart_5c130ca622e6_5983feb89cd45c4426935-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 17:57:56 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C981130F58 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 17:57:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.056 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.056 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TY1pDJPj9Ddz for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 17:57:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5CAF130F55 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 17:57:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 17:57:51 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544752671; bh=FulSA+Of8ktrFysGOQjq12rUHmExDXcVlwXGwJ3nEhI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Lc5QFR7aCw0XlaEFEu7ZGPPAkN51ph5PIRNc50UVSaGJj9AtltaXvXgVCsHcbTW8K Qeaas1nFrzm2SDW/91lmoA23MWgXXeg5AuQAoo2HaXjVHP1hOn8ww/IZ4J4SiCBdQH GUuxhpq9Rkxsvgem5LIe9XWTpwpVliA4PwiukygU= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Why are we bothering to number CIDs? (#2159) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c130e1fa4913_7e513f85e3ad45b41504c8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 01:57:55 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c130e1fa4913_7e513f85e3ad45b41504c8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The bug that this fixes is one where a new connection ID is retired quickly AND there are retransmissions of the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame that arrive after the retiring happens. In that case, the NEW_CONNECTION_ID will appear to create a new connection ID, when in practice it is already retired. We discussed using timers - I argued for that, I think - but this was more provably correct. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2159#issuecomment-447186494 ----==_mimepart_5c130e1fa4913_7e513f85e3ad45b41504c8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The bug that this fixes is one where a new connection ID is retired qu= ickly AND there are retransmissions of the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame that a= rrive after the retiring happens. In that case, the NEW_CONNECTION_ID wi= ll appear to create a new connection ID, when in practice it is already r= etired.

We discussed using timers - I argued for that, I think - but this was = more provably correct.

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An Initial packet can be 2048 bytes long. The 1200 byte cap is on the cryptographic handshake protocol and the FIRST Initial packet. (Yikes, this is starting to confuse me.)

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Probably not. I'm OK with culling the text.

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Hmm... I looked and tried to find that restriction on either of these and couldn't find it. Maybe I'm just missing it though?

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I'm not sure that any of this shuffling is going to improve things materially. This is TLS-y and TLS is comfortable with redundant lengths. Given that this is exactly a duplicate of #1533, I'm inclined to do nothing.

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----==_mimepart_5c130f4342282_793b3fb0f00d45b87907c-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 18:07:04 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE000130F56 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 18:07:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LTOAaxRyOEi6 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 18:07:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0AB29130F58 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 18:07:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 18:07:00 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544753220; bh=+KgZ5p4KgDX4iAo8fdCsh86BiRDQaU9oiJW6kgT6Xg4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=FPauxOvlPT3bqgWEsplqqnhzqktV7wYD9FuaUTDfgXmIVl48+r7Xi45IgeiPBlaF+ YuoePuRze2JPzgnQBBLZlPkOoo1tcZFdei//cOhzHERHrSYLwYM3dN1hqQ2PDdhO88 aPI5nOd+9q8G3L0yDM+sJUgYlznnk8S113rcFh/E= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Is Retry a new connection or what? (#2180) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c13104421719_7f653fd4f6ad45c025443"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 02:07:03 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c13104421719_7f653fd4f6ad45c025443 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think that it's OK to resend the same cryptographic handshake message. The semantics of Retry mean that the first wasn't used. The only thing that might be a concern is if an attacker can use this to cause two parallel connections to be established from the same ClientHello. I don't think that's possible, and the protocol is structured in a way that avoids that. (Your point about reuse and PQ does make me think that the stuff @kazuho was contemplating as a defense against packet injection is potentially dangerous in that context. I'm glad that there are now other approaches being contemplated for that.) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2180#issuecomment-447188104 ----==_mimepart_5c13104421719_7f653fd4f6ad45c025443 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think that it's OK to resend the same cryptographic handshake messag= e. The semantics of Retry mean that the first wasn't used.

The only thing that might be a concern is if an attacker can use this = to cause two parallel connections to be established from the same ClientH= ello. I don't think that's possible, and the protocol is structured in a= way that avoids that.

(Your point about reuse and PQ does make me think that the stuff @k= azuho was contemplating as a defense against packet injection is pote= ntially dangerous in that context. I'm glad that there are now other app= roaches being contemplated for that.)

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I agree. That's a mistake. PR inbound.

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Closes #2179.

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  • Keep the packet number after Retry

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You will observe that the first text you quote says "first" and the second does not. Is that too subtle?

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This seems unnecessarily complex. Why don=E2=80=99t we just require th= e server to generate a new connection ID for a Retry, and then just start= at packet number 0 again?

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Maybe I just need to read this more closely, but here's how I read thi= s text.

  1. The first Initial MUST fit within a single QUIC packet.
  2. Subsequent Initials may span multiple QUIC packets.
  3. The first initial MUST be of a certain minimum size (1200)
  4. We advise you to make the first initial no more than 1200.

However, I don't see where in the text we say that the first initial m= ay not be arbitrary sized (within the limits of IP packets). Do you agree= with this, or am I missing something.

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Oh, stupid me....

The server includes a connection ID of its choice in the Source Connection ID field. This value MUST not be equal to the Destination Connection ID field of the packet sent by the client.

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Closed #2182.

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Too many open discussions, I missed this:

The server includes a connection ID of its choice in the Source Connection ID field. This value MUST not be equal to the Destination Connection ID field of the packet sent by the client.

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Yes, we don't explicitly say that the first Initial has to be a single packet (or even a single IP packet, which is probably best).

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Not sure if this needs to address IP fragmentation.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2183

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  • The first Initial needs to fit into a single IP packet

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----==_mimepart_5c13137817760_4c843f9f25ad45b848046f-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 18:24:01 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 400E6130F97 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 18:23:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id foQq5TsrKkzx for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 18:23:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 70BD9130F9A for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 18:23:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 18:23:55 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544754235; bh=EYOHnc9vwDEMEHhyud96ZdchdqqWknVNmrcrKm6p89k=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=KD6ljfGRN5LpnAzZepqOTnL044q1+Io+QXjexuR5Y6kbZsa3SigxO/Zhf15KUfMPR U/g/J5zxEovzn4BxBh9bPnp+pARU0UqHmg7ZO5SQy6Hmg9QfvSCi0aZfvETnkkGT0q fmJdOvwvC0cafq6tzalz4y1FVzCt8OfDzvHXHlJ0= From: Praveen Balasubramanian Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Simplify TLP and RTO into Probe Timeout (#2114) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c13143b48cb9_188c3f9f25ad45b814722b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: pravb X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 02:23:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c13143b48cb9_188c3f9f25ad45b814722b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit pravb commented on this pull request. Worthy change. Really nice that we can get rid of minRTO. Adding some comments. > -A packet sent at the tail is particularly vulnerable to slow loss detection, -since acks of subsequent packets are needed to trigger ack-based detection. To -ameliorate this weakness of tail packets, the sender schedules a timer when the -last ack-eliciting packet before quiescence is transmitted. Upon timeout, -a Tail Loss Probe (TLP) packet is sent to evoke an acknowledgement from the -receiver. +A Probe Timeout (PTO) triggers a probe packet when ack-eliciting data is in +flight but an acknowledgement is not received within the expected period of +time. A PTO enables a connection to recover from loss of tail packets or acks. +The PTO algorithm used in QUIC implements the reliability functions of Tail Loss +Probe {{?TLP=I-D.dukkipati-tcpm-tcp-loss-probe}}, RTO {{?RFC5681}} and F-RTO TLP is now subsumed by RACK draft so we should cite that instead. > -The sender typically has incurred a high latency penalty by the time an RTO -timer expires, and this penalty increases exponentially in subsequent -consecutive RTO events. Sending a single packet on an RTO event therefore makes -the connection very sensitive to single packet loss. Sending two packets instead -of one significantly increases resilience to packet drop in both directions, -thus reducing the probability of consecutive RTO events. +Probe packets sent on a PTO MUST be ack-eliciting. A probe packet SHOULD carry +new data when possible. A probe packet MAY carry retransmitted unacknowledged +data when new data is unavailable, when flow control does not permit new data to +be sent, or to opportunistically reduce loss recovery delay. Implementers MAY "Implementations MAY" is better > -kMinRTOTimeout: -: Minimum time in the future an RTO timer may be set for. The RECOMMENDED - value is 200ms. +: Timer granularity. This is a system-dependent value. However, implementations + SHOULD use a value no smaller than 1ms. kDelayedAckTimeout: : The length of the peer's delayed ack timer. The RECOMMENDED value is 25ms. kInitialRtt: I know this value wasn't changed in this PR but 100 ms seems too aggressive for many links on the Internet. Any particular reason to go lower than 300 msec outside of intra-DC scenarios? Should we add text that implementations MAY use 2 * cached path RTT if platform support is available? > -When retransmissions are sent due to a retransmission timeout timer, no change -is made to the congestion window until the next acknowledgement arrives. The -retransmission timeout is considered spurious when this acknowledgement -acknowledges packets sent prior to the first retransmission timeout. The -retransmission timeout is considered valid when this acknowledgement -acknowledges no packets sent prior to the first retransmission timeout. In this -case, the congestion window MUST be reduced to the minimum congestion window and -slow start is re-entered. +If two consecutive PTOs have occurred (pto_count is at least 3), the network is I am not sure why pto_count needs to be 3? Shouldn't it be 2 after two PTOs? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@pravb commented on this pull request.

Worthy change. Really nice that we can get rid of minRTO. Adding some comments.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-A packet sent at the tail is particularly vulnerable to slow loss detection,
-since acks of subsequent packets are needed to trigger ack-based detection. To
-ameliorate this weakness of tail packets, the sender schedules a timer when the
-last ack-eliciting packet before quiescence is transmitted. Upon timeout,
-a Tail Loss Probe (TLP) packet is sent to evoke an acknowledgement from the
-receiver.
+A Probe Timeout (PTO) triggers a probe packet when ack-eliciting data is in
+flight but an acknowledgement is not received within the expected period of
+time.  A PTO enables a connection to recover from loss of tail packets or acks.
+The PTO algorithm used in QUIC implements the reliability functions of Tail Loss
+Probe {{?TLP=I-D.dukkipati-tcpm-tcp-loss-probe}}, RTO {{?RFC5681}} and F-RTO

TLP is now subsumed by RACK draft so we should cite that instead.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-The sender typically has incurred a high latency penalty by the time an RTO
-timer expires, and this penalty increases exponentially in subsequent
-consecutive RTO events. Sending a single packet on an RTO event therefore makes
-the connection very sensitive to single packet loss. Sending two packets instead
-of one significantly increases resilience to packet drop in both directions,
-thus reducing the probability of consecutive RTO events.
+Probe packets sent on a PTO MUST be ack-eliciting.  A probe packet SHOULD carry
+new data when possible.  A probe packet MAY carry retransmitted unacknowledged
+data when new data is unavailable, when flow control does not permit new data to
+be sent, or to opportunistically reduce loss recovery delay.  Implementers MAY

"Implementations MAY" is better

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-kMinRTOTimeout:
-:  Minimum time in the future an RTO timer may be set for. The RECOMMENDED
-   value is 200ms.
+: Timer granularity. This is a system-dependent value.  However, implementations
+  SHOULD use a value no smaller than 1ms.
 
 kDelayedAckTimeout:
 : The length of the peer's delayed ack timer. The RECOMMENDED value is 25ms.
 
 kInitialRtt:

I know this value wasn't changed in this PR but 100 ms seems too aggressive for many links on the Internet. Any particular reason to go lower than 300 msec outside of intra-DC scenarios? Should we add text that implementations MAY use 2 * cached path RTT if platform support is available?

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-When retransmissions are sent due to a retransmission timeout timer, no change
-is made to the congestion window until the next acknowledgement arrives.  The
-retransmission timeout is considered spurious when this acknowledgement
-acknowledges packets sent prior to the first retransmission timeout.  The
-retransmission timeout is considered valid when this acknowledgement
-acknowledges no packets sent prior to the first retransmission timeout.  In this
-case, the congestion window MUST be reduced to the minimum congestion window and
-slow start is re-entered.
+If two consecutive PTOs have occurred (pto_count is at least 3), the network is

I am not sure why pto_count needs to be 3? Shouldn't it be 2 after two PTOs?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3081,14 +3081,14 @@ corrupt ECN codepoints in the IP header.
 The QUIC packet size includes the QUIC header and protected payload, but not the
 UDP or IP header.
 
-Clients MUST ensure they send the first Initial packet in a UDP datagram that is
-at least 1200 bytes.  The payload of a UDP datagram carrying the Initial packet
-MUST be expanded to at least 1200 bytes, by adding PADDING frames to the Initial
-packet and/or by combining the Initial packet with a 0-RTT packet (see
-{{packet-coalesce}}).  Sending a UDP datagram of this size ensures that the
-network path supports a reasonable Maximum Transmission Unit (MTU), and helps
-reduce the amplitude of amplification attacks caused by server responses toward
-an unverified client address, see {{address-validation}}.
+Clients MUST ensure they send the first Initial packet in single IP packet.  The
+payload of a UDP datagram carrying the first Initial packet MUST be expanded to
+at least 1200 bytes, by adding PADDING frames to the Initial packet and/or by
+combining the Initial packet with a 0-RTT packet (see {{packet-coalesce}}).
+Sending a UDP datagram of this size ensures that the network path supports a

We require networks to support 1280 bytes in order to be used with QUIC, so testing for 1200 bytes seems weird.
Why are we not padding to 1280 anyway?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3081,14 +3081,14 @@ corrupt ECN codepoints in the IP header.
 The QUIC packet size includes the QUIC header and protected payload, but not the
 UDP or IP header.
 
-Clients MUST ensure they send the first Initial packet in a UDP datagram that is
-at least 1200 bytes.  The payload of a UDP datagram carrying the Initial packet
-MUST be expanded to at least 1200 bytes, by adding PADDING frames to the Initial
-packet and/or by combining the Initial packet with a 0-RTT packet (see
-{{packet-coalesce}}).  Sending a UDP datagram of this size ensures that the
-network path supports a reasonable Maximum Transmission Unit (MTU), and helps
-reduce the amplitude of amplification attacks caused by server responses toward
-an unverified client address, see {{address-validation}}.
+Clients MUST ensure they send the first Initial packet in single IP packet.  The
+payload of a UDP datagram carrying the first Initial packet MUST be expanded to
+at least 1200 bytes, by adding PADDING frames to the Initial packet and/or by
+combining the Initial packet with a 0-RTT packet (see {{packet-coalesce}}).
+Sending a UDP datagram of this size ensures that the network path supports a

Because we don't know how much overhead there is.

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(That said, I recognize its relation to the invariants may be concerning. And also I am wrong a lot.) FWIW, I see two inflexibilities in the Initial packet of QUIC v1 that might make us want to introduce an incompatible version in the future: * The packet is authenticated using GCM, and it is impossible to introduce another authentication method. * The only extension point is in the ClientHello extension, which means that the future versions of QUIC cannot signal different information when they retransmit the Initial. The first point is what prohibits [I-D: Authenticated Handshake for QUIC](https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kazuho-quic-authenticated-handshake/) from using an Initial packet format that is compatible with version 1. In case we decide to allow "downgrade" from using authenticated Initials to pure-v1, we need incompatible version negotiation. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@chris-wood

Moreover, absent a specific case where we will need to deal with compl= ete incompatibility, which I don't foresee happening, the current general= ity seems to be a case of YAGNI. (That said, I recognize its relation to = the invariants may be concerning. And also I am wrong a lot.)

FWIW, I see two inflexibilities in the Initial packet of QUIC v1 that = might make us want to introduce an incompatible version in the future:

  • The packet is authenticated using GCM, and it is impossible to introd= uce another authentication method.
  • The only extension point is in the ClientHello extension, which means= that the future versions of QUIC cannot signal different information whe= n they retransmit the Initial.

The first point is what prohibits I-D:= Authenticated Handshake for QUIC from using an Initial packet format= that is compatible with version 1. In case we decide to allow "downgrade= " from using authenticated Initials to pure-v1, we need incompatible ver= sion negotiation.

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Thanks for the update, this looks very close. I'm concerned about the gap between number of PTOs that have occurred vs the number that were lost, but possibly it doesn't matter much in practice? > @@ -429,19 +429,20 @@ a subsequent connection attempt to the server. A Probe Timeout (PTO) triggers a probe packet when ack-eliciting data is in flight but an acknowledgement is not received within the expected period of -time. A PTO enables a connection to recover from loss of tail packets or acks, -where acks of subsequent packets are not available to trigger ack-based loss -detection. The PTO algorithm used in QUIC implements the reliability functions -of Tail Loss Probe {{?TLP=I-D.dukkipati-tcpm-tcp-loss-probe}}, RTO {{?RFC5681}} -and F-RTO algorithms for TCP {{?RFC5682}}, and the computation is based on TCP's +time. A PTO enables a connection to recover from loss of tail packets or acks. +The PTO algorithm used in QUIC implements the reliability functions of Tail Loss +Probe {{?TLP=I-D.dukkipati-tcpm-tcp-loss-probe}}, RTO {{?RFC5681}} and F-RTO +algorithms for TCP {{?RFC5682}}, and the computation is based on TCP's "the computation" is vague. How about "the timeout computation"? > @@ -473,8 +474,7 @@ consecutive PTO expiration due to a single packet loss. Consecutive PTO periods increase exponentially, and as a result, connection recovery latency increases exponentially as packets continue to be dropped in the network. Sending two packets on PTO expiration increases resilience to -packet drop in both directions, thus reducing the probability of consecutive PTO -events. +packet drop, thus reducing the probability of consecutive PTO events. packet drops > -A packet sent at the tail is particularly vulnerable to slow loss detection, -since acks of subsequent packets are needed to trigger ack-based detection. To -ameliorate this weakness of tail packets, the sender schedules a timer when the -last ack-eliciting packet before quiescence is transmitted. Upon timeout, -a Tail Loss Probe (TLP) packet is sent to evoke an acknowledgement from the -receiver. +A Probe Timeout (PTO) triggers a probe packet when ack-eliciting data is in +flight but an acknowledgement is not received within the expected period of +time. A PTO enables a connection to recover from loss of tail packets or acks. +The PTO algorithm used in QUIC implements the reliability functions of Tail Loss +Probe {{?TLP=I-D.dukkipati-tcpm-tcp-loss-probe}}, RTO {{?RFC5681}} and F-RTO The original implementation and algorithms preceded RACK, so the benefit of referencing TLP is that it's more specific and time-relevant. But if RACK was an RFC, then we would definitely prefer that. Either works for me. > @@ -802,7 +772,7 @@ Pseudocode for SetLossDetectionTimer follows: timeout = 2 * kInitialRtt else: timeout = 2 * smoothed_rtt - timeout = max(timeout, kMinTLPTimeout) + timeout = max(timeout, granularity) If you want to use granularity, then you need to define it above. Otherwise, use kGranularity as suggested. > -When retransmissions are sent due to a retransmission timeout timer, no change -is made to the congestion window until the next acknowledgement arrives. The -retransmission timeout is considered spurious when this acknowledgement -acknowledges packets sent prior to the first retransmission timeout. The -retransmission timeout is considered valid when this acknowledgement -acknowledges no packets sent prior to the first retransmission timeout. In this -case, the congestion window MUST be reduced to the minimum congestion window and -slow start is re-entered. +If two consecutive PTOs have occurred (pto_count is at least 3), the network is +1, I'm confused. Also, this should be more about the number of PTOs that were lost than the number sent. ie: I could send 3 PTOs, then the network returns to normal, no packets were lost, and the connection continues. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

Thanks for the update, this looks very close. I'm concerned about the gap between number of PTOs that have occurred vs the number that were lost, but possibly it doesn't matter much in practice?

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -429,19 +429,20 @@ a subsequent connection attempt to the server.
 
 A Probe Timeout (PTO) triggers a probe packet when ack-eliciting data is in
 flight but an acknowledgement is not received within the expected period of
-time.  A PTO enables a connection to recover from loss of tail packets or acks,
-where acks of subsequent packets are not available to trigger ack-based loss
-detection.  The PTO algorithm used in QUIC implements the reliability functions
-of Tail Loss Probe {{?TLP=I-D.dukkipati-tcpm-tcp-loss-probe}}, RTO {{?RFC5681}}
-and F-RTO algorithms for TCP {{?RFC5682}}, and the computation is based on TCP's
+time.  A PTO enables a connection to recover from loss of tail packets or acks.
+The PTO algorithm used in QUIC implements the reliability functions of Tail Loss
+Probe {{?TLP=I-D.dukkipati-tcpm-tcp-loss-probe}}, RTO {{?RFC5681}} and F-RTO
+algorithms for TCP {{?RFC5682}}, and the computation is based on TCP's

"the computation" is vague. How about "the timeout computation"?

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -473,8 +474,7 @@ consecutive PTO expiration due to a single packet loss.
 Consecutive PTO periods increase exponentially, and as a result, connection
 recovery latency increases exponentially as packets continue to be dropped in
 the network.  Sending two packets on PTO expiration increases resilience to
-packet drop in both directions, thus reducing the probability of consecutive PTO
-events.
+packet drop, thus reducing the probability of consecutive PTO events.

packet drops

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-A packet sent at the tail is particularly vulnerable to slow loss detection,
-since acks of subsequent packets are needed to trigger ack-based detection. To
-ameliorate this weakness of tail packets, the sender schedules a timer when the
-last ack-eliciting packet before quiescence is transmitted. Upon timeout,
-a Tail Loss Probe (TLP) packet is sent to evoke an acknowledgement from the
-receiver.
+A Probe Timeout (PTO) triggers a probe packet when ack-eliciting data is in
+flight but an acknowledgement is not received within the expected period of
+time.  A PTO enables a connection to recover from loss of tail packets or acks.
+The PTO algorithm used in QUIC implements the reliability functions of Tail Loss
+Probe {{?TLP=I-D.dukkipati-tcpm-tcp-loss-probe}}, RTO {{?RFC5681}} and F-RTO

The original implementation and algorithms preceded RACK, so the benefit of referencing TLP is that it's more specific and time-relevant. But if RACK was an RFC, then we would definitely prefer that. Either works for me.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -802,7 +772,7 @@ Pseudocode for SetLossDetectionTimer follows:
         timeout = 2 * kInitialRtt
       else:
         timeout = 2 * smoothed_rtt
-      timeout = max(timeout, kMinTLPTimeout)
+      timeout = max(timeout, granularity)

If you want to use granularity, then you need to define it above. Otherwise, use kGranularity as suggested.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-When retransmissions are sent due to a retransmission timeout timer, no change
-is made to the congestion window until the next acknowledgement arrives.  The
-retransmission timeout is considered spurious when this acknowledgement
-acknowledges packets sent prior to the first retransmission timeout.  The
-retransmission timeout is considered valid when this acknowledgement
-acknowledges no packets sent prior to the first retransmission timeout.  In this
-case, the congestion window MUST be reduced to the minimum congestion window and
-slow start is re-entered.
+If two consecutive PTOs have occurred (pto_count is at least 3), the network is

+1, I'm confused. Also, this should be more about the number of PTOs that were lost than the number sent. ie: I could send 3 PTOs, then the network returns to normal, no packets were lost, and the connection continues.

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Thanks for you comments! Responses inline. > -A packet sent at the tail is particularly vulnerable to slow loss detection, -since acks of subsequent packets are needed to trigger ack-based detection. To -ameliorate this weakness of tail packets, the sender schedules a timer when the -last ack-eliciting packet before quiescence is transmitted. Upon timeout, -a Tail Loss Probe (TLP) packet is sent to evoke an acknowledgement from the -receiver. +A Probe Timeout (PTO) triggers a probe packet when ack-eliciting data is in +flight but an acknowledgement is not received within the expected period of +time. A PTO enables a connection to recover from loss of tail packets or acks. +The PTO algorithm used in QUIC implements the reliability functions of Tail Loss +Probe {{?TLP=I-D.dukkipati-tcpm-tcp-loss-probe}}, RTO {{?RFC5681}} and F-RTO I think the function we're talking about is TLP, though I'm happy to add and cite RACK separately somewhere. I'll do that separately. > -kMinRTOTimeout: -: Minimum time in the future an RTO timer may be set for. The RECOMMENDED - value is 200ms. +: Timer granularity. This is a system-dependent value. However, implementations + SHOULD use a value no smaller than 1ms. kDelayedAckTimeout: : The length of the peer's delayed ack timer. The RECOMMENDED value is 25ms. kInitialRtt: Would you mind opening a separate issue for this? I'd argue for 100ms, but I don't want to do it in this PR. FWIW, I think the cost of an early timeout is not high, so having this be aggressive seems fine to me. > -When retransmissions are sent due to a retransmission timeout timer, no change -is made to the congestion window until the next acknowledgement arrives. The -retransmission timeout is considered spurious when this acknowledgement -acknowledges packets sent prior to the first retransmission timeout. The -retransmission timeout is considered valid when this acknowledgement -acknowledges no packets sent prior to the first retransmission timeout. In this -case, the congestion window MUST be reduced to the minimum congestion window and -slow start is re-entered. +If two consecutive PTOs have occurred (pto_count is at least 3), the network is This is based on the number of timeouts that happened, not based on packets sent. We want cwnd collapse at the equivalent of the first RTO's occurrence. This is the third timeout (2 TLP timeouts and then 1 RTO), which means pto_count is at least 3. Or am I doing this math wrong? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2114#pullrequestreview-184957703 ----==_mimepart_5c13244d49651_47b13faebced45b81525f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Thanks for you comments! Responses inline.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-A packet sent at the tail is particularly vulnerable to slow loss detection,
-since acks of subsequent packets are needed to trigger ack-based detection. To
-ameliorate this weakness of tail packets, the sender schedules a timer when the
-last ack-eliciting packet before quiescence is transmitted. Upon timeout,
-a Tail Loss Probe (TLP) packet is sent to evoke an acknowledgement from the
-receiver.
+A Probe Timeout (PTO) triggers a probe packet when ack-eliciting data is in
+flight but an acknowledgement is not received within the expected period of
+time.  A PTO enables a connection to recover from loss of tail packets or acks.
+The PTO algorithm used in QUIC implements the reliability functions of Tail Loss
+Probe {{?TLP=I-D.dukkipati-tcpm-tcp-loss-probe}}, RTO {{?RFC5681}} and F-RTO

I think the function we're talking about is TLP, though I'm happy to add and cite RACK separately somewhere. I'll do that separately.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-kMinRTOTimeout:
-:  Minimum time in the future an RTO timer may be set for. The RECOMMENDED
-   value is 200ms.
+: Timer granularity. This is a system-dependent value.  However, implementations
+  SHOULD use a value no smaller than 1ms.
 
 kDelayedAckTimeout:
 : The length of the peer's delayed ack timer. The RECOMMENDED value is 25ms.
 
 kInitialRtt:

Would you mind opening a separate issue for this? I'd argue for 100ms, but I don't want to do it in this PR. FWIW, I think the cost of an early timeout is not high, so having this be aggressive seems fine to me.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-When retransmissions are sent due to a retransmission timeout timer, no change
-is made to the congestion window until the next acknowledgement arrives.  The
-retransmission timeout is considered spurious when this acknowledgement
-acknowledges packets sent prior to the first retransmission timeout.  The
-retransmission timeout is considered valid when this acknowledgement
-acknowledges no packets sent prior to the first retransmission timeout.  In this
-case, the congestion window MUST be reduced to the minimum congestion window and
-slow start is re-entered.
+If two consecutive PTOs have occurred (pto_count is at least 3), the network is

This is based on the number of timeouts that happened, not based on packets sent. We want cwnd collapse at the equivalent of the first RTO's occurrence. This is the third timeout (2 TLP timeouts and then 1 RTO), which means pto_count is at least 3. Or am I doing this math wrong?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-kMinRTOTimeout:
-:  Minimum time in the future an RTO timer may be set for. The RECOMMENDED
-   value is 200ms.
+: Timer granularity. This is a system-dependent value.  However, implementations
+  SHOULD use a value no smaller than 1ms.
 
 kDelayedAckTimeout:
 : The length of the peer's delayed ack timer. The RECOMMENDED value is 25ms.
 
 kInitialRtt:

Agreed, that's a separable issue, which was previously raised and then I believe closed.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1157,6 +1095,9 @@ window.
        congestion_window *= kLossReductionFactor
        congestion_window = max(congestion_window, kMinimumWindow)
        ssthresh = congestion_window
+       // Collapse congestion window if persistent congestion
+       if (pto_count > 2):

2 is a magic number. Previously we said you SHOULD have 2 TLPs, but you could have fewer. I think it makes sense to define this as a constant and explain its reason for existing there?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-When retransmissions are sent due to a retransmission timeout timer, no change
-is made to the congestion window until the next acknowledgement arrives.  The
-retransmission timeout is considered spurious when this acknowledgement
-acknowledges packets sent prior to the first retransmission timeout.  The
-retransmission timeout is considered valid when this acknowledgement
-acknowledges no packets sent prior to the first retransmission timeout.  In this
-case, the congestion window MUST be reduced to the minimum congestion window and
-slow start is re-entered.
+If two consecutive PTOs have occurred (pto_count is at least 3), the network is

To me it seems that "pto_count is at least 3" is correct, however "If two consecutive PTOs have occurred" is incorrect and needs to be changed to "If three...".

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@martinthomson requested changes on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3139,7 +3139,8 @@ attacks that successfully guess the IP address 3-tuple and reduce the PMTU to a
 bandwidth-inefficient value.
 
 An endpoint MUST ignore an ICMP message that claims the PMTU has decreased below
-1280 bytes.
+1280 bytes.  And endpoint MUST ignore an ICMP message that attempts to increase
+PMTU, unless the ICMP message was received in response to a PMTU probe packet.

Not sure about the "unless" part here.

Say I expect PMTU to be 1280. Then I send a probe for 2048. I get back an ICMP PTB that says 1500. This would allow the PMTU to be set to 1500, but I think that you want to probe at 1500 before increasing anything.

Thus, I would instead say that an ICMP message that claims a larger PMTU than the confirmed PMTU MUST be confirmed (by sending a packet at that size and having it acknowledged) before the PMTU can be increased.

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Yes, the winner of a race can reduce the congestion window or maybe prevent it from being reduced.

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The properties we want from migration are distinct from those during the handshake. I'd like to resolve that discussion first. Then we can talk about what we might be willing to tolerate during migration.

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----==_mimepart_5c133abd78a5a_3a893fa1906d45b8987f9-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 21:19:06 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22C5E129A87 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 21:19:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.782 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.782 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FUZZY_CREDIT=1.678, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sck54L9-ng67 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 21:19:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8AC2812D4E6 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 21:19:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 21:19:01 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544764741; bh=D018AsouUoZkEKbFrM+8zYgq8FzVXIaB+uR3oSkbaN4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=WgNdDZanE2jODURvt6k18dYHB9SIDtVZEbhWvnKmOg1vVpSniKkFtmMv2sIHvNuLX KCbp/S/HNDX6fCY0EJpvtZo1rriMESKOAKtHUWRc12LuO/tsl4dsMd5Ix0s1VnOO9W i60M5GFr7mPhGeSsHKDltnYhrRZ9wfMgZ4vsw928= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Ekr editorial 17 3 (#2164) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c133d456ee6d_3b313ff1226d45b8436346"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 05:19:05 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c133d456ee6d_3b313ff1226d45b8436346 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. Thanks for these. Nits only. > @@ -1616,7 +1619,8 @@ Token field of its Initial packet. A token allows a server to correlate activity between the connection where the token was issued and any connection where it is used. Clients that want to break continuity of identity with a server MAY discard tokens provided using the -NEW_TOKEN frame. Tokens obtained in Retry packets MUST NOT be discarded. +NEW_TOKEN frame. Tokens obtained in Retry packets MUST NOT be discarded +during connection establishment (they will not be used with new connections). What @mikkelfj said. The parenthetical doesn't really make sense to me - it's true, but I don't see how it is connected to the primary statement. > @@ -1679,9 +1683,10 @@ peer from a new local address. In path validation, endpoints test reachability between a specific local address and a specific peer address, where an address is the two-tuple of IP address and port. -Path validation tests that packets can be both sent to and received from a peer -on the path. Importantly, it validates that the packets received from the -migrating endpoint do not carry a spoofed source address. +Path validation tests that packets (PATH_CHALLENGE) can be both sent +to and received (PATH_RESPONSE) from a peer on the path. Importantly, I agree, this likely confuses things more than it helps. > -If a PATH_RESPONSE frame is received on a different local address than the one -from which the PATH_CHALLENGE was sent, path validation is not considered to be -successful, even if the data matches the PATH_CHALLENGE. This doesn't result in -path validation failure, as it might be a result of a forwarded packet (see -{{off-path-forward}}) or misrouting. +Note that receipt on a different local address doesn't result in path @janaiyengar insists on avoiding contractions. > @@ -2205,12 +2210,13 @@ An endpoint is not expected to handle key updates when it is closing or draining. A key update might prevent the endpoint from moving from the closing state to draining, but it otherwise has no impact. -An endpoint could receive packets from a new source address, indicating a client -connection migration ({{migration}}), while in the closing period. An endpoint -in the closing state MUST strictly limit the number of packets it sends to this -new address until the address is validated (see {{migrate-validate}}). A server -in the closing state MAY instead choose to discard packets received from a new -source address. +While in the closing period, an endpoint could receive packets from a +new source address, indicating a client connection migration +({{migration}}). An endpoint in the closing state MUST strictly limit +the number of packets it sends to this new address until the address +is validated (see {{migrate-validate}}). A server in the closing state +MAY instead choose to discard packets received from a new source +address. The change to the fill-column is making this harder to review than I'd like. I guess that's just a consequence of insisting on wrapping at <80... > @@ -2294,7 +2301,7 @@ coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission. ## Stateless Reset {#stateless-reset} -A stateless reset is provided as an option of last resort for an endpoint that +A stateless reset is provided as an option of last resort for a server that Yep :) > @@ -2338,14 +2345,15 @@ of the packet header. The remainder of the first byte and an arbitrary number of random bytes following it are set to unpredictable values. The last 16 bytes of the datagram contain a Stateless Reset Token. -A stateless reset will be interpreted by a recipient as a packet with a short -header. For the packet to appear as valid, the Random Bits field needs to -include at least 182 bits of random or unpredictable values (or 24 bytes, less -the two fixed bits). This is intended to allow for a destination connection ID -of the maximum length permitted, with a minimal packet number, and payload. The -Stateless Reset Token corresponds to the minimum expansion of the packet -protection AEAD. More random bytes might be necessary if the endpoint could -have negotiated a packet protection scheme with a larger minimum AEAD expansion. +A stateless reset will be interpreted by a recipient as a packet with +a short header. For the packet to appear as valid, the Random Bits +field needs to include at least 182 bits of data (or 24 bytes, less +the two fixed bits). This is intended to allow for a destination +connection ID of the maximum length permitted, with a minimal packet This is a field, so the capitalization is correct. > @@ -2447,9 +2455,11 @@ Note that Stateless Reset packets do not have any cryptographic protection. ### Looping {#reset-looping} -The design of a Stateless Reset is such that it is indistinguishable from a -valid packet. This means that a Stateless Reset might trigger the sending of a -Stateless Reset in response, which could lead to infinite exchanges. +The design of a Stateless Reset is such that without knowing the +stateless reset token it is indistinguishable from a valid packet. +This means that if a server sends a Stateless Reset to another server, +that might trigger the sending of a Stateless Reset in response, which One fewer: "If a server sends a Stateless Reset to another server, it might receive another Stateless Reset in response." > @@ -3732,9 +3743,9 @@ ID that is chosen by the recipient of the packet; the Source Connection ID includes the connection ID that the sender of the packet wishes to use (see {{negotiating-connection-ids}}). -The first Handshake packet sent by a server contains a packet number of 0. -Handshake packets are their own packet number space. Packet numbers are -incremented normally for other Handshake packets. + ```suggestion ``` > @@ -3732,9 +3743,9 @@ ID that is chosen by the recipient of the packet; the Source Connection ID includes the connection ID that the sender of the packet wishes to use (see {{negotiating-connection-ids}}). -The first Handshake packet sent by a server contains a packet number of 0. -Handshake packets are their own packet number space. Packet numbers are -incremented normally for other Handshake packets. + +Handshake packets are their own packet number space, and thus +the first Handshake packet sent by a server contains a packet number of 0. I think that we're operating on the assumption that you start sending from 0, but there is no strict requirement because it's unenforceable. Loss. > @@ -3847,10 +3858,11 @@ MUST include the value of the Original Destination Connection ID field of the Retry packet (that is, the Destination Connection ID field from the client's first Initial packet) in the transport parameter. -If the client received and processed a Retry packet, it validates that the -original_connection_id transport parameter is present and correct; otherwise, it -validates that the transport parameter is absent. A client MUST treat a failed -validation as a connection error of type TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR. +If the client received and processed a Retry packet, it MUST validate +that the original_connection_id transport parameter is present and +correct; otherwise, it validates that the transport parameter is +absent. A client MUST treat a failed validation as a connection error +of type TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR. I'm OK with the existing or as Mike suggests. > @@ -5326,7 +5338,7 @@ An accompanying transport parameter registration (see specification needs to describe the format and assigned semantics of any fields in the frame. -Expert(s) are encouraged to be biased towards approving registrations unless +Expert(s) SHOULD be biased towards approving registrations unless Not really an interoperability requirement. ```suggestion Expert(s) are encouraged to be biased towards approving registrations unless ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2164#pullrequestreview-184970263 ----==_mimepart_5c133d456ee6d_3b313ff1226d45b8436346 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

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Thanks for these. Nits only.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> @@ -1616,7 +1619,8 @@ Token field of its I=
nitial packet.=0D
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 to=0D
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-NEW_TOKEN frame.  Tokens obtained in Retry packets MUST NOT be discarded=
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+NEW_TOKEN frame.  Tokens obtained in Retry packets MUST NOT be discarded=
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What @mikkelfj said.

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The parenthetical doesn't really make sense to me - it's true, but I d= on't see how it is connected to the primary statement.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> @@ -1679,9 +1683,10 @@ peer from a new loc=
al address.  In path validation, endpoints test reachability=0D
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-Path validation tests that packets can be both sent to and received from=
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-on the path.  Importantly, it validates that the packets received from t=
he=0D
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+Path validation tests that packets (PATH_CHALLENGE) can be both sent=0D
+to and received (PATH_RESPONSE) from a peer on the path.  Importantly,=0D=
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I agree, this likely confuses things more than it helps.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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>  =0D
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see=0D
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+Note that receipt on a different local address doesn't result in pat=
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@janaiyengar insists on avoiding contractions.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> @@ -2205,12 +2210,13 @@ An endpoint is not=
 expected to handle key updates when it is closing or=0D
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-An endpoint could receive packets from a new source address, indicating =
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-new address until the address is validated (see {{migrate-validate}}). A=
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-in the closing state MAY instead choose to discard packets received from=
 a new=0D
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+While in the closing period, an endpoint could receive packets from a=0D=

+new source address, indicating a client connection migration=0D
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+the number of packets it sends to this new address until the address=0D
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+MAY instead choose to discard packets received from a new source=0D
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The change to the fill-column is making this harder to review than I'd= like. I guess that's just a consequence of insisting on wrapping at <= ;80...

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> @@ -2294,7 +2301,7 @@ coalesced (see {{pac=
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Yep :)

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> @@ -2338,14 +2345,15 @@ of the packet head=
er.  The remainder of the first byte and an arbitrary=0D
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-A stateless reset will be interpreted by a recipient as a packet with a =
short=0D
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to=0D
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ould=0D
-have negotiated a packet protection scheme with a larger minimum AEAD ex=
pansion.=0D
+A stateless reset will be interpreted by a recipient as a packet with=0D=

+a short header.  For the packet to appear as valid, the Random Bits=0D
+field needs to include at least 182 bits of data (or 24 bytes, less=0D
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+connection ID of the maximum length permitted, with a minimal packet=0D
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This is a field, so the capitalization is correct.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> @@ -2447,9 +2455,11 @@ Note that Stateless=
 Reset packets do not have any cryptographic protection.=0D
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 ### Looping {#reset-looping}=0D
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m a=0D
-valid packet.  This means that a Stateless Reset might trigger the sendi=
ng of a=0D
-Stateless Reset in response, which could lead to infinite exchanges.=0D
+The design of a Stateless Reset is such that without knowing the=0D
+stateless reset token it is indistinguishable from a valid packet.=0D
+This means that if a server sends a Stateless Reset to another server,=0D=

+that might trigger the sending of a Stateless Reset in response, which=0D=
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One fewer: "If a server sends a Stateless Reset to another server, it = might receive another Stateless Reset in response."

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> @@ -3732,9 +3743,9 @@ ID that is chosen by=
 the recipient of the packet; the Source Connection ID=0D
 includes the connection ID that the sender of the packet wishes to use (=
see=0D
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-The first Handshake packet sent by a server contains a packet number of =
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-=0D
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> @@ -3732,9 +3743,9 @@ ID that is chosen by=
 the recipient of the packet; the Source Connection ID=0D
 includes the connection ID that the sender of the packet wishes to use (=
see=0D
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-The first Handshake packet sent by a server contains a packet number of =
0.=0D
-Handshake packets are their own packet number space.  Packet numbers are=
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+=0D
+Handshake packets are their own packet number space, and thus=0D
+the first Handshake packet sent by a server contains a packet number of =
0.=0D
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I think that we're operating on the assumption that you start sending = from 0, but there is no strict requirement because it's unenforceable. L= oss.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> @@ -3847,10 +3858,11 @@ MUST include the v=
alue of the Original Destination Connection ID field of the=0D
 Retry packet (that is, the Destination Connection ID field from the clie=
nt's=0D
 first Initial packet) in the transport parameter.=0D
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-If the client received and processed a Retry packet, it validates that t=
he=0D
-original_connection_id transport parameter is present and correct; other=
wise, it=0D
-validates that the transport parameter is absent.  A client MUST treat a=
 failed=0D
-validation as a connection error of type TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR.=0D
+If the client received and processed a Retry packet, it MUST validate=0D=

+that the original_connection_id transport parameter is present and=0D
+correct; otherwise, it validates that the transport parameter is=0D
+absent.  A client MUST treat a failed validation as a connection error=0D=

+of type TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR.=0D
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I'm OK with the existing or as Mike suggests.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> @@ -5326,7 +5338,7 @@ An accompanying tran=
sport parameter registration (see=0D
 specification needs to describe the format and assigned semantics of any=
 fields=0D
 in the frame.=0D
 =0D
-Expert(s) are encouraged to be biased towards approving registrations un=
less=0D
+Expert(s) SHOULD be biased towards approving registrations unless=0D
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Not really an interoperability requirement.

=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-Expert(s) SHOULD be biased towards approving =
registrations unless=0D
+Expert(s) are encouraged to be biased towards approving registrations un=
less=0D
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----==_mimepart_5c133deccead2_2d0a3fe6d3ed45b476178-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 22:36:34 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32F7E12D4EC for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 22:36:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.459 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.459 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Yuu--4_xcgdH for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 22:36:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3F73D129C6B for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 22:36:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 22:36:29 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544769390; bh=1SuS2rd5jxhhaHf4vgB7FJ66lgqemuv9vA+J2gtPCpE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=wlnEFBbkCBgpvAVUADLBqh9Oye8ByyIiSaNh8jsqBHcA6geoNKErUaiT5VjhKcR1x ZTtYB8Ee7J73cQjWPIL+65yDXsegjv9Aq+O0j6UhRM1Xu/vzY/ozDo2mfTACrRDeae HJ3+l71KSc2wf/Bod34jYZlnDyPBJV/yEi/7i9Zk= From: Praveen Balasubramanian Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Unify TLP and RTO into Probe Timeout (#2114) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c134f6df2750_56723fa50eed45c0125788c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: pravb X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 06:36:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c134f6df2750_56723fa50eed45c0125788c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit pravb commented on this pull request. > -A packet sent at the tail is particularly vulnerable to slow loss detection, -since acks of subsequent packets are needed to trigger ack-based detection. To -ameliorate this weakness of tail packets, the sender schedules a timer when the -last ack-eliciting packet before quiescence is transmitted. Upon timeout, -a Tail Loss Probe (TLP) packet is sent to evoke an acknowledgement from the -receiver. +A Probe Timeout (PTO) triggers a probe packet when ack-eliciting data is in +flight but an acknowledgement is not received within the expected period of +time. A PTO enables a connection to recover from loss of tail packets or acks. +The PTO algorithm used in QUIC implements the reliability functions of Tail Loss +Probe {{?TLP=I-D.dukkipati-tcpm-tcp-loss-probe}}, RTO {{?RFC5681}} and F-RTO TLP is an expired draft in 2013 and RACK is standards track and active. Linux, FreeBSD and Windows are all implementing the RACK draft and TLP as specified in the RACK draft. I would just cite the RACK draft. There is a chance it may got into last call within the next two IETFs. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2114#discussion_r241655332 ----==_mimepart_5c134f6df2750_56723fa50eed45c0125788c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-A packet sent at the tail is particularly vulnerable to slow loss detection,
-since acks of subsequent packets are needed to trigger ack-based detection. To
-ameliorate this weakness of tail packets, the sender schedules a timer when the
-last ack-eliciting packet before quiescence is transmitted. Upon timeout,
-a Tail Loss Probe (TLP) packet is sent to evoke an acknowledgement from the
-receiver.
+A Probe Timeout (PTO) triggers a probe packet when ack-eliciting data is in
+flight but an acknowledgement is not received within the expected period of
+time.  A PTO enables a connection to recover from loss of tail packets or acks.
+The PTO algorithm used in QUIC implements the reliability functions of Tail Loss
+Probe {{?TLP=I-D.dukkipati-tcpm-tcp-loss-probe}}, RTO {{?RFC5681}} and F-RTO

TLP is an expired draft in 2013 and RACK is standards track and active. Linux, FreeBSD and Windows are all implementing the RACK draft and TLP as specified in the RACK draft. I would just cite the RACK draft. There is a chance it may got into last call within the next two IETFs.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-kMinRTOTimeout:
-:  Minimum time in the future an RTO timer may be set for. The RECOMMENDED
-   value is 200ms.
+: Timer granularity. This is a system-dependent value.  However, implementations
+  SHOULD use a value no smaller than 1ms.
 
 kDelayedAckTimeout:
 : The length of the peer's delayed ack timer. The RECOMMENDED value is 25ms.
 
 kInitialRtt:

Ok I will open a separate issue. This will cause unnecessary timeouts for CI and 0-RTT data on many Internet paths. And pretty much always on satellite links. If we want to pick a magic number then let's pick 200 msec or 300 msec (the historical minrto values for Linux and Windows respectively).

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This value will cause unnecessary timeouts for CI and 0-RTT data on many Internet paths. And pretty much always on satellite links. If we want to pick a magic number then let's pick 200 msec or 300 msec (the historical minrto values for Linux and Windows respectively).

Should we add text that implementations MAY use 2 * cached path RTT if platform support is available? Even QUIC itself could maintain such a cache per path. IMO this is the right way to make Initial RTO more aggressive.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-When retransmissions are sent due to a retransmission timeout timer, no change
-is made to the congestion window until the next acknowledgement arrives.  The
-retransmission timeout is considered spurious when this acknowledgement
-acknowledges packets sent prior to the first retransmission timeout.  The
-retransmission timeout is considered valid when this acknowledgement
-acknowledges no packets sent prior to the first retransmission timeout.  In this
-case, the congestion window MUST be reduced to the minimum congestion window and
-slow start is re-entered.
+If two consecutive PTOs have occurred (pto_count is at least 3), the network is

IIRC Ian was going to get data on whether we need 2 TLPs or just one is sufficient. FWIW we only do one TLP in Windows TCP. Yes at the least please fix as Kazuho says: "if three consecutive PTOs have occurred"

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----==_mimepart_5c135214254b9_3b1d3ff1226d45b85614e2-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 22:48:56 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A56BC1310A6 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 22:48:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.056 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.056 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UU_JSnvLfIvi for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 22:48:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0BBD912872C for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 22:48:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 22:48:51 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544770131; bh=mWLBQvDlvLBh+qvXMjEcsubF8voFNv+TKm7985EwL0g=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=gxiYbjRKsu599QCfXZrgIWB9xDDbhKo4MYK3anwLEbGiP2vPIwtKEl90wSPEeegne Ud6QY2jQfErlUUD59NtD43nrXeyKkDzO3VWmfMf1TOd3NijXPbP7nt5VmTppiFk1Vh 2RE31EvkF6o/VW+rV2+IKh/PhL6Dc1yoDZ7aT59Q= From: Praveen Balasubramanian Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Unify TLP and RTO into Probe Timeout (#2114) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c135253286bb_5f0f3fb5a02d45c01263469"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: pravb X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 06:48:55 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c135253286bb_5f0f3fb5a02d45c01263469 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit pravb commented on this pull request. > @@ -1157,6 +1095,9 @@ window. congestion_window *= kLossReductionFactor congestion_window = max(congestion_window, kMinimumWindow) ssthresh = congestion_window + // Collapse congestion window if persistent congestion + if (pto_count > 2): I commented on the thread above this. Yes we should settle on one or two TLPs. I personally prefer one but unfortunately I don't have data to say if two is better since Windows TCP has been doing just one TLP. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2114#discussion_r241657223 ----==_mimepart_5c135253286bb_5f0f3fb5a02d45c01263469 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1157,6 +1095,9 @@ window.
        congestion_window *= kLossReductionFactor
        congestion_window = max(congestion_window, kMinimumWindow)
        ssthresh = congestion_window
+       // Collapse congestion window if persistent congestion
+       if (pto_count > 2):

I commented on the thread above this. Yes we should settle on one or two TLPs. I personally prefer one but unfortunately I don't have data to say if two is better since Windows TCP has been doing just one TLP.

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I don't understand why this is a problem. What harm, aside from retransmissing the Initial packet, does this do?

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Latest RACK draft suggests just one TLP (likely reflecting Linux TCP) and Windows TCP also does just one TLP.

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LGTM modulo
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----==_mimepart_5c13558a21fa6_df53ffa880d45b8621c5-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 23:08:24 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EBA91310BD for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 23:08:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9EsFq38lIMcY for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 23:08:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5ACC91310BC for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 23:08:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 23:08:20 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544771300; bh=kBa1JRekFBLSztU+RHDr/uGMGSrxe/DdlsyaHvQc26U=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=uUv2c16OJ7CYYj+UadjUE6OjQV5BS+KeR1qh7lsgxxzCE28ihLCui4fzEz8Qqx5eO W157KK+f8Aq6rDQr+AEW0qqIllvjvP1efCqDymmHOU+yUn9/eZwU64g5jFcyoMHnJF CZCiBbWqV+2z9Issx8TO7KnLTcuY5oyyHU3ZDOFU= From: Praveen Balasubramanian Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Unify TLP and RTO into Probe Timeout (#2114) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c1356e4324b3_75303f810a4d45c0123764c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: pravb X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 07:08:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c1356e4324b3_75303f810a4d45c0123764c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit pravb commented on this pull request. > - -QUIC includes MaxAckDelay in all probe timeouts, because it assumes the ack -delay may come into play, regardless of the number of ack-eliciting -packets in flight. TCP's TLP assumes if at least 2 ack-eliciting packets are -in flight, acks will not be delayed. - -A PTO value of at least 1.5*SRTT ensures that the ACK is overdue. The 1.5 is -based on {{?TLP}}, but implementations MAY experiment with other constants. - -To reduce latency, it is RECOMMENDED that the sender set and allow the TLP timer -to fire twice before setting an RTO timer. In other words, when the TLP timer -expires the first time, a TLP packet is sent, and it is RECOMMENDED that the TLP -timer be scheduled for a second time. When the TLP timer expires the second -time, a second TLP packet is sent, and an RTO timer SHOULD be scheduled {{rto}}. +~~~ +PTO = max(smoothed_rtt + 4*rttvar + max_ack_delay, kGranularity) Sorry just noticed another difference. If peer advertises max_ack_delay as 0 (which seems to be legal), then first PTO becomes Srtt + 4 * RttVar, whereas in TCP the first PTO is 2* Srtt. If variance is low this may be too aggressive? Should we also do PTO = max (PTO, 2 *Srtt) ? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2114#pullrequestreview-184988159 ----==_mimepart_5c1356e4324b3_75303f810a4d45c0123764c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@pravb commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -
-QUIC includes MaxAckDelay in all probe timeouts, because it assumes the ack
-delay may come into play, regardless of the number of ack-eliciting
-packets in flight. TCP's TLP assumes if at least 2 ack-eliciting packets are
-in flight, acks will not be delayed.
-
-A PTO value of at least 1.5*SRTT ensures that the ACK is overdue.  The 1.5 is
-based on {{?TLP}}, but implementations MAY experiment with other constants.
-
-To reduce latency, it is RECOMMENDED that the sender set and allow the TLP timer
-to fire twice before setting an RTO timer. In other words, when the TLP timer
-expires the first time, a TLP packet is sent, and it is RECOMMENDED that the TLP
-timer be scheduled for a second time. When the TLP timer expires the second
-time, a second TLP packet is sent, and an RTO timer SHOULD be scheduled {{rto}}.
+~~~
+PTO = max(smoothed_rtt + 4*rttvar + max_ack_delay, kGranularity)

Sorry just noticed another difference. If peer advertises max_ack_delay as 0 (which seems to be legal), then first PTO becomes Srtt + 4 * RttVar, whereas in TCP the first PTO is 2* Srtt. If variance is low this may be too aggressive? Should we also do PTO = max (PTO, 2 *Srtt) ?

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I've added a constant (kPersistentCongestion) and described it. PTAL.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-When retransmissions are sent due to a retransmission timeout timer, no change
-is made to the congestion window until the next acknowledgement arrives.  The
-retransmission timeout is considered spurious when this acknowledgement
-acknowledges packets sent prior to the first retransmission timeout.  The
-retransmission timeout is considered valid when this acknowledgement
-acknowledges no packets sent prior to the first retransmission timeout.  In this
-case, the congestion window MUST be reduced to the minimum congestion window and
-slow start is re-entered.
+If two consecutive PTOs have occurred (pto_count is at least 3), the network is

Ah, right. Ok, fixed. I'll leave it at 3 for now, and I've turned it into a constant, kPersistentCongestion. We can discuss the value in a separate issue.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1157,6 +1095,9 @@ window.
        congestion_window *= kLossReductionFactor
        congestion_window = max(congestion_window, kMinimumWindow)
        ssthresh = congestion_window
+       // Collapse congestion window if persistent congestion
+       if (pto_count > 2):

Ok, added constant and explained it.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1157,6 +1095,9 @@ window.
        congestion_window *= kLossReductionFactor
        congestion_window = max(congestion_window, kMinimumWindow)
        ssthresh = congestion_window
+       // Collapse congestion window if persistent congestion
+       if (pto_count > 2):

i think this condition will bring back the issue that i raised previously of a longer timeout.

Consider this case:

1 [acked], 2, 3[pto], 4[pto], 5 [pto]

-> ack 5

now we get into a state

1 [acked], 2 [lost], 3[outsatding], 4[outstanding], 5 [acked]

since minCwnd = 2

you end up with consuming the cwnd fully still and will have to wait until another pto to get out of this case.

The previous logic intentionally cleared all packets < rto_verified packet to avoid this which I had raised in a previous issue and is intentional

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -
-QUIC includes MaxAckDelay in all probe timeouts, because it assumes the ack
-delay may come into play, regardless of the number of ack-eliciting
-packets in flight. TCP's TLP assumes if at least 2 ack-eliciting packets are
-in flight, acks will not be delayed.
-
-A PTO value of at least 1.5*SRTT ensures that the ACK is overdue.  The 1.5 is
-based on {{?TLP}}, but implementations MAY experiment with other constants.
-
-To reduce latency, it is RECOMMENDED that the sender set and allow the TLP timer
-to fire twice before setting an RTO timer. In other words, when the TLP timer
-expires the first time, a TLP packet is sent, and it is RECOMMENDED that the TLP
-timer be scheduled for a second time. When the TLP timer expires the second
-time, a second TLP packet is sent, and an RTO timer SHOULD be scheduled {{rto}}.
+~~~
+PTO = max(smoothed_rtt + 4*rttvar + max_ack_delay, kGranularity)

I'll push back against this. I like the simplicity of having a single computation that includes rttvar. What is the rationale in TCP for using 2xSRTT when RTTVAR is available? If variance is low, that still seems like the right thing to do. Why inflate the PTO when you don't need to?

FWIW, the first PTO is akin to the first TLP. The second PTO would be backed off, so you will automatically get 2 x (SRTT + 4xRTTVAR).

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1157,6 +1095,9 @@ window.
        congestion_window *= kLossReductionFactor
        congestion_window = max(congestion_window, kMinimumWindow)
        ssthresh = congestion_window
+       // Collapse congestion window if persistent congestion
+       if (pto_count > 2):

@siyengar : In this case, by the time 5 is acked, 3 and 4 should be marked as lost by the time-threshold loss detection mechanism, since they're going to be > 1.125 x SRTT in the past.

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Further the text require you to use ECT(0) (and not ETC(1)) if you wan= t to use ECN, which is what RFC8311 says.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-kMinRTOTimeout:
-:  Minimum time in the future an RTO timer may be set for. The RECOMMENDED
-   value is 200ms.
+: Timer granularity. This is a system-dependent value.  However, implementations
+  SHOULD use a value no smaller than 1ms.
 
 kDelayedAckTimeout:
 : The length of the peer's delayed ack timer. The RECOMMENDED value is 25ms.
 
 kInitialRtt:

Here are 10 ping packets from Denmark to China

10 packets transmitted, 10 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 211.218/350.768/593.271/149.383 ms

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-kMinRTOTimeout:
-:  Minimum time in the future an RTO timer may be set for. The RECOMMENDED
-   value is 200ms.
+: Timer granularity. This is a system-dependent value.  However, implementations
+  SHOULD use a value no smaller than 1ms.
 
 kDelayedAckTimeout:
 : The length of the peer's delayed ack timer. The RECOMMENDED value is 25ms.
 
 kInitialRtt:

And here from Denmark to New York, which is basically a direct sea cable link.

10 packets transmitted, 10 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 103.982/104.505/105.343/0.475 ms

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-kMinRTOTimeout:
-:  Minimum time in the future an RTO timer may be set for. The RECOMMENDED
-   value is 200ms.
+: Timer granularity. This is a system-dependent value.  However, implementations
+  SHOULD use a value no smaller than 1ms.
 
 kDelayedAckTimeout:
 : The length of the peer's delayed ack timer. The RECOMMENDED value is 25ms.
 
 kInitialRtt:

And Denmark New Zealand

10 packets transmitted, 10 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
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The first initial MUST be of a certain minimum size (1200)

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Summary from other issue: Denmark to US East Cost is just above 100ms = min and avg. roundtrip. China is > 200 min and > 300 on average, an= d New Zealand worse than that. Denmark to Netherlands is 4ms.

So having a timeout of 100ms basically guarantees aggressive retransmi= ssion for anything but regional traffic. Maybe that is acceptable, but yo= u can feed a lot of data on a fat pipe in 100ms, especially if you use 0-= RTT and if you can tolerate replay attacks. And for space it might be wor= se because the link cost could be longer and bandwidth much more expensiv= e.

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@larseggert did state the following on the mailing list o= n the 8th of November:

"Both the -14 ACK_ECN frame and any new unified frame will be mandator= y to parse on RX for compliance. But there is no enforceable requirement = to act on the content.

Likewise, on TX, it's not enforceable that a stack must obtain the ECN= bits from the kernel and encode them. With -14, it would simply always e= ncode ACK frames (and never encode ACK_ECN frames), and with any unified = approach, it could simply always encode "nothing marked".

There is maybe a slight nudge towards doing ECN properly with a unifie= d approach, since you need to encode something for ECN, and so you might = as well do the right thing. But it remains fully possible to not support = ECN, with either approach. (Unfortunately.)"

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I like that this discussion has been revived. If the consensus is reached to follow @ekr's suggestion to use a select, I will reopen PR #1533.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1065,6 +1004,16 @@ kLossReductionFactor:
 : Reduction in congestion window when a new loss event is detected.
   The RECOMMENDED value is 0.5.
 
+kPersistentCongestion:
+: Number of consecutive PTOs after which network is considered to be
+  experiencing persistent congestion.  The rationale for this threshold is to
+  enable a sender to use initial PTOs for aggressive probing, similar to Tail
+  Loss Probe (TLP) in TCP {{TLP}} {{RACK}}.  Once the number of consecutive PTOs
+  reaches this threshold - that is, persistent congestion is established - the
+  sender responds by collapsing its congestion window, similar to a
+  Retransmission Timeout (RTO) in TCP {{RFC5681}}.  The RECOMMENDED value is 3,

The pseudocode below decreases CWND to kMinimumWindow, which is 2 packets. I think sticking with that makes sense, at least for now. It also requires less text to justify.

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@gorryfair, the text for this PR has been updated. Click on "Files changed" to see it.

The followup PR for PMTU increase is #2161.

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We discussed this in #752 and decided to err on the side of lower latency.
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3139,7 +3139,8 @@ attacks that successfully guess the IP address 3-tuple and reduce the PMTU to a
 bandwidth-inefficient value.
 
 An endpoint MUST ignore an ICMP message that claims the PMTU has decreased below
-1280 bytes.
+1280 bytes.  And endpoint MUST ignore an ICMP message that attempts to increase
+PMTU, unless the ICMP message was received in response to a PMTU probe packet.

See the note above where I was wondering if people would read it the way you did.

The "unless" part only cancels "ignore the message" instruction. It does not recommend using the message's MTU as PMTU w/o probing it first.

I did not want to get into PLDPMTUD probe size selection details, but, yet, you were confused by the text, so I will add a few more words...

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3139,7 +3139,8 @@ attacks that successfully guess the IP address 3-tuple and reduce the PMTU to a
 bandwidth-inefficient value.
 
 An endpoint MUST ignore an ICMP message that claims the PMTU has decreased below
-1280 bytes.
+1280 bytes.  And endpoint MUST ignore an ICMP message that attempts to increase
+PMTU, unless the ICMP message was received in response to a PMTU probe packet.

It seems this thread is re-inventing machinery to do path probing.

I am really unsure why this would propose a different approach than the TSVWG draft? - It would be useful to have a starting point to understand why QUIC would behave in a different way to other datagram transports.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1539,10 +1539,10 @@ magnitude of any amplification attack that can be mounted using spoofed source
 addresses.  In determining this limit, servers only count the size of
 successfully processed packets.
 
-Clients MUST pad UDP datagrams that contain only Initial packets to 1200 bytes.
-Once a client has received an acknowledgment for a Handshake packet it MAY send
-smaller datagrams.  Sending padded datagrams ensures that the server is not
-overly constrained by the amplification restriction.
+Clients MUST pad UDP datagrams that contain only Initial packets to at least

Technically, we're padding the QUIC packet, not the UDP datagram.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3139,7 +3139,8 @@ attacks that successfully guess the IP address 3-tuple and reduce the PMTU to a
 bandwidth-inefficient value.
 
 An endpoint MUST ignore an ICMP message that claims the PMTU has decreased below
-1280 bytes.
+1280 bytes.  And endpoint MUST ignore an ICMP message that attempts to increase
+PMTU, unless the ICMP message was received in response to a PMTU probe packet.

Wouldn't the best thing here be to tweak the next paragraph to say that any reactions to ICMP messages should be validated and DPLPMTUD do specify how to do such validation both for increasing and decreasing the PMTU?

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To echo @britram my memory is that peers MUST support the frame, but actually using ECN was a SHOULD since a MUST isn't enforceable anyway.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -
-QUIC includes MaxAckDelay in all probe timeouts, because it assumes the ack
-delay may come into play, regardless of the number of ack-eliciting
-packets in flight. TCP's TLP assumes if at least 2 ack-eliciting packets are
-in flight, acks will not be delayed.
-
-A PTO value of at least 1.5*SRTT ensures that the ACK is overdue.  The 1.5 is
-based on {{?TLP}}, but implementations MAY experiment with other constants.
-
-To reduce latency, it is RECOMMENDED that the sender set and allow the TLP timer
-to fire twice before setting an RTO timer. In other words, when the TLP timer
-expires the first time, a TLP packet is sent, and it is RECOMMENDED that the TLP
-timer be scheduled for a second time. When the TLP timer expires the second
-time, a second TLP packet is sent, and an RTO timer SHOULD be scheduled {{rto}}.
+~~~
+PTO = max(smoothed_rtt + 4*rttvar + max_ack_delay, kGranularity)

Quoting RACK draft:

Aiming for a PTO value of 2*SRTT allows a sender to wait long enough
to know that an ACK is overdue. Under normal circumstances, i.e. no
losses, an ACK typically arrives in one SRTT. But choosing PTO to be
exactly an SRTT is likely to generate spurious probes given that
network delay variance and even end-system timings can easily push an
ACK to be above an SRTT. We chose PTO to be the next integral
multiple of SRTT.

Similarly, network delay variations and end-system processing
latencies and timer granularities can easily delay ACKs beyond
2*SRTT, so senders SHOULD add at least 2ms to a computed PTO value
(and MAY add more if the sending host OS timer granularity is more
coarse than 1ms).

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And endpoint MUST ignore an ICMP message that attempts to i= ncrease=0D > +PMTU, unless the ICMP message was received in response to a PMTU probe p= acket.=0D >=0D > Wouldn't the best thing here be to tweak the next paragraph to say =0D > that any reactions to ICMP messages should be validated and DPLPMTUD =0D > do specify how to do such validation both for increasing and =0D > decreasing the PMTU?=0D >=0D > =E2=80=94=0D > You are receiving this because you commented.=0D > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub =0D > , = =0D > or mute the thread =0D > .=0D >=0D I think terminology needs to be correct. It was really hard to get the =0D terminology consistent in DPLPMTUD, and since QUIC has not (yet) adopted = =0D the same language, this may be tricky to wordsmith, but here is what I =0D suggest:=0D =0D Put simply, I would suggest a PTB message can NEVER increase the PLPMTU, = =0D even when it reports a value greater than the PLPMTU after a probe =0D message. Unless someone explains different, I will continue to assert =0D that PTB messages MUST be validated - at least the IP addresses, =0D transport, and ports. Accepting arbitrary information to control the =0D transport isn't a good start to building a useful protocol.=0D =0D I have reasons to suggest that endpoints also not to increase their =0D PLPMTU based on the PTB reported size:=0D =0D (1) Because soemtimes the reported MTU size can be garbled, and I would =0D encourage being conservative to avoid black-holing.=0D (2) Because the sender still doesn't know an actual segment larger than =0D the PLPMTU would transit the end to end path.=0D (3) A path that is incosnistent in forwarding would result in more =0D corner cases if you start reacting to PTB signals, relying on actual =0D probes is simpler.=0D =0D Therefore, I would trigger a probe for the reported size. That's what =0D DPLPMTUD currentl says (you could refer to that spec to explain this.)=0D =0D Gorry=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D -- =0D You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.=0D Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub:=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2161#issuecomment-447388870= ----==_mimepart_5c13e35ef2797_4df63fb9f14d45b4391970 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 14/12/2018, 16:30, Magnus Westerlund wrote:
=0D >
=0D > *@gloinul* commented on this pull request.
=0D >
=0D > ----------------------------------------------------------------------= --
=0D >
=0D > In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md
=0D > <https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2161#discussion_r241813= 264>:
=0D >
=0D > > @@ -3139,7 +3139,8 @@ attacks that successfully guess the IP add= ress 3-tuple and reduce the PMTU to a
=0D > bandwidth-inefficient value.
=0D >
=0D > An endpoint MUST ignore an ICMP message that claims the PMTU has dec= reased below
=0D > -1280 bytes.
=0D > +1280 bytes. And endpoint MUST ignore an ICMP message that attempts t= o increase
=0D > +PMTU, unless the ICMP message was received in response to a PMTU prob= e packet.
=0D >
=0D > Wouldn't the best thing here be to tweak the next paragraph to say=
=0D > that any reactions to ICMP messages should be validated and DPLPMTUD <= br>=0D > do specify how to do such validation both for increasing and
=0D > decreasing the PMTU?
=0D >
=0D > =E2=80=94
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=0D > <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AHC1koQJq3mAAm88= 9Dnr6rCmDGrSvVfBks5u49IugaJpZM4ZSdss>.
=0D >
=0D I think terminology needs to be correct. It was really hard to get the
= =0D terminology consistent in DPLPMTUD, and since QUIC has not (yet) adopted =0D the same language, this may be tricky to wordsmith, but here is what I
= =0D suggest:
=0D
=0D Put simply, I would suggest a PTB message can NEVER increase the PLPMTU, =0D even when it reports a value greater than the PLPMTU after a probe
=0D message. Unless someone explains different, I will continue to assert
= =0D that PTB messages MUST be validated - at least the IP addresses,
=0D transport, and ports. Accepting arbitrary information to control the
= =0D transport isn't a good start to building a useful protocol.
=0D
=0D I have reasons to suggest that endpoints also not to increase their
=0D PLPMTU based on the PTB reported size:
=0D
=0D (1) Because soemtimes the reported MTU size can be garbled, and I would =0D encourage being conservative to avoid black-holing.
=0D (2) Because the sender still doesn't know an actual segment larger than=
=0D the PLPMTU would transit the end to end path.
=0D (3) A path that is incosnistent in forwarding would result in more
=0D corner cases if you start reacting to PTB signals, relying on actual
= =0D probes is simpler.
=0D
=0D Therefore, I would trigger a probe for the reported size. That's what <= br>=0D DPLPMTUD currentl says (you could refer to that spec to explain this.)
= =0D
=0D Gorry
=0D
=0D
=0D
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The text says "Resumed connections over the same network SHOULD use the previous connection's final smoothed RTT value as the resumed connection's initial RTT."

That at least resolves the 0-RTT concern.

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@marten-seemann commented on this pull request.

I really like this PR, since it's a big simplification.

The one thing I don't understand is how we can get rid of the (R/P)TO = verified. I think I understand @janaiyengar's response to = @siyengar's comment in #2114 (comment), i.= e. that when receiving the ACK for the PTO, packets sent before the PTO a= re declared lost because the time-threshold based loss detection kicks in= . But shouldn't that also have applied to RTO verified in the first place= ? Why did we need RTO verified in the first place then?

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I think I found the answer to my question:
Since in #1974 we make time-threshold based loss recovery m= andatory (before that you could choose between packet-threshold and time-= threshold), we don't need the RTO verified anymore (see #2168)= anyway. This is independent of this PR, this PR just happens to fix mult= iple issues at the same time.

Sorry for the noise.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c13ebb6d77cc_12163fc32d6d45b83982e0-- From nobody Fri Dec 14 10:02:23 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A297A1311E6 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 10:02:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ykeZz07mxeFC for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 10:02:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DF6B130DD7 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 10:02:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 10:02:18 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544810538; bh=UMNKIqaAiOjtMu9XitxvH51dKNfXCXEfU7HyZoXuqIU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=fRs/7RKjoB+FEx2Q7WBTdNVmNIMG2Gxldwt58mjbR4kThS8XCI1xvJprlHzzFQoF9 ovBe1YxLLxng31BGhRx62UDHFPvpNg5fkzSYEOVZ4rGAaNbWLCXkWJZKr4vcTa88bQ 1tHnXs1PAPyo8Oq7vnQAf7ECyyX53Ez9vvnWyjoY= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] kInitialRtt of 100 msec is too aggressive (#2184) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c13f02ae0dd_4a63fdc3b0d45c4520521"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 18:02:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c13f02ae0dd_4a63fdc3b0d45c4520521 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit With 0-RTT in check, I think the early RTO shouldn't be viewed as a failure recovery mechanism but more like a sample mechanism for discovering uncharted territory. In that light, it could go down to 10ms as long as it is only until first contact. However, because the Initial is not small (1200+ bytes), a too small original RTO would be wasteful. So the question becomes: what is acceptable latency, what is the likely error rate, and how much bandwidth is wasted by aggressive probing. If, for example, some common scenarios has a 66% packet loss and RTO is 100ms, you have to wait about 200ms extra to connect, even if the RTT is small, like 4ms (say noisy WLAN). On the other hand, if the latency is high, like 500ms and the loss is small, you would be sending 5x the necessary data to connect, so 5x1200 bytes, but if you loose a packet, connectivity starts a 600ms instead of 500ms. You could also imagine a very conservative initial RTO like 1000ms but at the same time send out small probe packets every 10ms until a valid RTT estimate is achieved, but that has its own problems in complexity and trust. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2184#issuecomment-447404494 ----==_mimepart_5c13f02ae0dd_4a63fdc3b0d45c4520521 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

With 0-RTT in check, I think the early RTO shouldn't be viewed as a fa= ilure recovery mechanism but more like a sample mechanism for discovering= uncharted territory. In that light, it could go down to 10ms as long as = it is only until first contact. However, because the Initial is not small= (1200+ bytes), a too small original RTO would be wasteful.

So the question becomes: what is acceptable latency, what is the likel= y error rate, and how much bandwidth is wasted by aggressive probing.

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If, for example, some common scenarios has a 66% packet loss and RTO i= s 100ms, you have to wait about 200ms extra to connect, even if the RTT i= s small, like 4ms (say noisy WLAN).

On the other hand, if the latency is high, like 500ms and the loss is = small, you would be sending 5x the necessary data to connect, so 5x1200 b= ytes, but if you loose a packet, connectivity starts a 600ms instead of 5= 00ms.

You could also imagine a very conservative initial RTO like 1000ms but= at the same time send out small probe packets every 10ms until a valid R= TT estimate is achieved, but that has its own problems in complexity and = trust.

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@igorlord commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3139,7 +3139,8 @@ attacks that successfully guess the IP address 3-tuple and reduce the PMTU to a
 bandwidth-inefficient value.
 
 An endpoint MUST ignore an ICMP message that claims the PMTU has decreased below
-1280 bytes.
+1280 bytes.  And endpoint MUST ignore an ICMP message that attempts to increase
+PMTU, unless the ICMP message was received in response to a PMTU probe packet.

@gloinul, DPLPMTUD is not a requirement for QUIC.

This text was to apply to all implementations -- ones performing DPLPMTUD or traditional PMTUD or something else. It is possible that we just reject this PR and assume people will follow directions specified in whatever PMTUD scheme they are implementing.

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@gorryfair, I like this suggestion -- not talking about ignoring I= CMP messages but about not using ICMP messages to increase PMTU. That woul= d be very clear and concise.

Validation with at least IP addresses, transport (implicit in a QUIC spe= c), and ports is a matter for #2109, and it looks like it will be resol= ved exactly this way.

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----==_mimepart_5c14049375daa_47d73ff506ad45b860054f-- From nobody Fri Dec 14 11:46:24 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10BAE130E09 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 11:46:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.459 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.459 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o-gTtPrNzK52 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 11:46:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-16.smtp.github.com (out-16.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 23BAB1294D7 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 11:46:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 11:46:20 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544816780; bh=drIdy7C8UN+n0dQ6ibjXwKiP8XBWU1nLQlHJwAC++oU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=HxH+fTuY5tghdwu/GNGIplBqGbBMQoiLBEpl5jc+C3xXeUazK2kJpKLA8D6aNg8hN kjMDF0I5mAKYKokGNcvBEZvioHSVEd5MSx/5t1fa0hm/b+6YBbxFEyK2K7X7NN69ek RB8yUvd0na7dErzSSHkFA13erJW1CvpOKfrUNRcY= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Unify TLP and RTO into Probe Timeout (#2114) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c14088c4585b_47ac3f8e0b6d45c41236f2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 19:46:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c14088c4585b_47ac3f8e0b6d45c41236f2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit janaiyengar commented on this pull request. > @@ -1065,6 +1004,16 @@ kLossReductionFactor: : Reduction in congestion window when a new loss event is detected. The RECOMMENDED value is 0.5. +kPersistentCongestion: +: Number of consecutive PTOs after which network is considered to be + experiencing persistent congestion. The rationale for this threshold is to + enable a sender to use initial PTOs for aggressive probing, similar to Tail + Loss Probe (TLP) in TCP {{TLP}} {{RACK}}. Once the number of consecutive PTOs + reaches this threshold - that is, persistent congestion is established - the + sender responds by collapsing its congestion window, similar to a + Retransmission Timeout (RTO) in TCP {{RFC5681}}. The RECOMMENDED value is 3, The recommendation is 3 for kPersistentCongestion, not for the value of cwnd. I'll change the text a bit to clarify. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2114#discussion_r241869845 ----==_mimepart_5c14088c4585b_47ac3f8e0b6d45c41236f2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1065,6 +1004,16 @@ kLossReductionFactor:
 : Reduction in congestion window when a new loss event is detected.
   The RECOMMENDED value is 0.5.
 
+kPersistentCongestion:
+: Number of consecutive PTOs after which network is considered to be
+  experiencing persistent congestion.  The rationale for this threshold is to
+  enable a sender to use initial PTOs for aggressive probing, similar to Tail
+  Loss Probe (TLP) in TCP {{TLP}} {{RACK}}.  Once the number of consecutive PTOs
+  reaches this threshold - that is, persistent congestion is established - the
+  sender responds by collapsing its congestion window, similar to a
+  Retransmission Timeout (RTO) in TCP {{RFC5681}}.  The RECOMMENDED value is 3,

The recommendation is 3 for kPersistentCongestion, not for the value of cwnd. I'll change the text a bit to clarify.

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I think that's what the text does say. If you think it's unclear, tell me and I can fix it or feel free to send a PR.

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Conversations with implementers suggests that it might be useful to clearly discuss considerations for how a receiver might choose max_ack_delay. Specifically, the receiver should communicate worst case delay, since communicating something smaller can result in spurious retransmissions. Some guidance should be added.

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TCP's TLP assumes if at least 2 ack-eliciting packets are -in flight, acks will not be delayed. - -A PTO value of at least 1.5*SRTT ensures that the ACK is overdue. The 1.5 is -based on {{?TLP}}, but implementations MAY experiment with other constants. - -To reduce latency, it is RECOMMENDED that the sender set and allow the TLP timer -to fire twice before setting an RTO timer. In other words, when the TLP timer -expires the first time, a TLP packet is sent, and it is RECOMMENDED that the TLP -timer be scheduled for a second time. When the TLP timer expires the second -time, a second TLP packet is sent, and an RTO timer SHOULD be scheduled {{rto}}. +~~~ +PTO = max(smoothed_rtt + 4*rttvar + max_ack_delay, kGranularity) @pravb: Thanks for the context -- I should have just looked at the RACK draft. So, to be clear, the RACK draft does not use this 2ms when WCDelAckT is used, that is, when it accounts for the worst case delayed ack timer. This is what we expect max_ack_delay to do for us, but as you note, a receiver might send 0 here. I think we should put the onus of this onto the receiver. A receiver should send the worst case ack delay in max_ack_delay. A receiver that doesn't do that shoots itself in the foot by causing spurious retransmissions at the sender. We may want to add some strong wording about how a receiver should choose max ack delay, I've filed #2186 for that. Sound reasonable? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2114#discussion_r241881343 ----==_mimepart_5c141131471ba_35a83fc568cd45c0119562 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -
-QUIC includes MaxAckDelay in all probe timeouts, because it assumes the ack
-delay may come into play, regardless of the number of ack-eliciting
-packets in flight. TCP's TLP assumes if at least 2 ack-eliciting packets are
-in flight, acks will not be delayed.
-
-A PTO value of at least 1.5*SRTT ensures that the ACK is overdue.  The 1.5 is
-based on {{?TLP}}, but implementations MAY experiment with other constants.
-
-To reduce latency, it is RECOMMENDED that the sender set and allow the TLP timer
-to fire twice before setting an RTO timer. In other words, when the TLP timer
-expires the first time, a TLP packet is sent, and it is RECOMMENDED that the TLP
-timer be scheduled for a second time. When the TLP timer expires the second
-time, a second TLP packet is sent, and an RTO timer SHOULD be scheduled {{rto}}.
+~~~
+PTO = max(smoothed_rtt + 4*rttvar + max_ack_delay, kGranularity)

@pravb: Thanks for the context -- I should have just looked at the RACK draft. So, to be clear, the RACK draft does not use this 2ms when WCDelAckT is used, that is, when it accounts for the worst case delayed ack timer. This is what we expect max_ack_delay to do for us, but as you note, a receiver might send 0 here.

I think we should put the onus of this onto the receiver. A receiver should send the worst case ack delay in max_ack_delay. A receiver that doesn't do that shoots itself in the foot by causing spurious retransmissions at the sender. We may want to add some strong wording about how a receiver should choose max ack delay, I've filed #2186 for that.

Sound reasonable?

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@marten-seemann : Exactly. This PR builds on #1974, which started the movement in this direction. This PR fixes multiple issues at the same time because the design that comes out at the end is clearer than the one you'd get by fixing the issues piecewise.

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@martinthomson, @gorryfair, is this better now? (See updated diff.)

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@ianswett approved this pull request.

Thanks Jana, looks even better.

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[quicwg/base-drafts] kInitialRtt of 100 msec is too aggressive (#2184) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c141f7b62476_63533fabfb4d45b8208410"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 21:24:15 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c141f7b62476_63533fabfb4d45b8208410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We can recommend whatever we want here, implementations will play around with this number. As @martinthomson notes, the cost is limited to potential spurious retransmissions of the Initial, which isn't a high cost. Google's deployment numbers are skewed to Google's network, but they do suggest that 100ms is reasonable. Based on those numbers, and based on the discussion in #752, I'd argue for keeping it at 100ms. I like @pravb and @ianswett 's idea of adding something that says this can be set based on a cached value even on non-resumed connections if the path's RTT is known by other means (cached from a previous TCP connection in the platform, for instance.) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2184#issuecomment-447483488 ----==_mimepart_5c141f7b62476_63533fabfb4d45b8208410 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

We can recommend whatever we want here, implementations will play arou= nd with this number. As @martinthomson notes, the cost is lim= ited to potential spurious retransmissions of the Initial, which isn't a = high cost.

Google's deployment numbers are skewed to Google's network, but they d= o suggest that 100ms is reasonable. Based on those numbers, and based on= the discussion in #752, I'd argue for keeping it at 100ms.

I like @pravb and @ianswett 's idea of adding som= ething that says this can be set based on a cached value even on non-resu= med connections if the path's RTT is known by other means (cached from a = previous TCP connection in the platform, for instance.)

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I don't strongly object, but it seems like if we know this is v1, we might want to indicate that, but ultimately I agree it's a matter of taste

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----==_mimepart_5c14286561687_226f3fef5e4d45bc15856f-- From nobody Fri Dec 14 15:23:01 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 353AE131354 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 15:23:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.459 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.459 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4WH28Mlra2q7 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 15:22:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CDE38131351 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 15:22:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 15:22:56 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544829776; bh=0BhEmP5qDk/vhBoXjxn5FHOl1ByfbKb5tXLPkdcKVXk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=YlaDd2EbxX83gMyKyf/nELBDxdnrhgig3Y0+CzmRpAfZS1Xn52aS9VFx2cmSjQROB 3iGqenOz+8/UWobOHVuArk6047J7ElbxWlxrrTJRmnzLREEI6P9KlrK0Hld8XLKbMS shOEbT5E3hP9EErKz1tbTmBwSYH9jKKrlE6LBciY= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] How long idle is idle? (#2138) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c143b501b7cb_3f373f87f44d45c0425943"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 23:23:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c143b501b7cb_3f373f87f44d45c0425943 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The text in Section 7.8 says that if you enter idle, then you leave in one of two ways: pace, or reduce your cwnd to init_cwnd. We're choosing to not really spend energy on performance for the non-pacing cases, because pacing is an undocumented BCP. When not pacing, it's reasonable to do something along the lines of what @mikkelfj suggests -- indeed that's roughly what NewCWV (RFC 7661) stipulates. I don't think we need to get into defining exactly how to do this, but I'll propose some text that allows senders to do some sort of slow decaying when not pacing. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2138#issuecomment-447508217 ----==_mimepart_5c143b501b7cb_3f373f87f44d45c0425943 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The text in Section 7.8 says that if you enter idle, then you leave in= one of two ways: pace, or reduce your cwnd to init_cwnd. We're choosing= to not really spend energy on performance for the non-pacing cases, beca= use pacing is an undocumented BCP.

When not pacing, it's reasonable to do something along the lines of wh= at @mikkelfj suggests -- indeed that's roughly what NewCWV (RFC= 7661) stipulates. I don't think we need to get into defining exactly how= to do this, but I'll propose some text that allows senders to do some so= rt of slow decaying when not pacing.

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Closes #2138.

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I've always said that we need to have a notion of endpoints that "supp= ort ECN" and ones that don't. This does not need to be negotiated, but it= reflects reality. Some impls will implement ECN support and some won't.<= /p>

To the question of whether there is a good reason to not do it: Yes, i= mplementation complexity for little gain. I'm not arguing for not impleme= nting ECN support, I'm saying that there are good reasons for not doing i= t.

If we want to encourage ECN, we need to simply say that. And the text = should reflect the reality that some endpoints will choose to still not s= upport it.

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One small suggestion, but LGTM

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1030,14 +1030,17 @@ application limited or after a retransmission timeout. In order to limit
 the size of bursts sent into the network, the behavior when restarting from
 idle depends upon whether pacing is used.
 
-If the sender uses pacing, the connection should limit the initial burst of
-packets to no more than the initial congestion window and subsequent packets
-SHOULD be paced. The congestion window does not change while the connection
-is idle.
+If the sender uses pacing, the congestion window MUST not increase and does not

Possibly the "MUST not increase CWND" part should move a paragraph up, since it's really not pacing specific?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1539,10 +1539,10 @@ magnitude of any amplification attack that can be mounted using spoofed source
 addresses.  In determining this limit, servers only count the size of
 successfully processed packets.
 
-Clients MUST pad UDP datagrams that contain only Initial packets to 1200 bytes.
-Once a client has received an acknowledgment for a Handshake packet it MAY send
-smaller datagrams.  Sending padded datagrams ensures that the server is not
-overly constrained by the amplification restriction.
+Clients MUST pad UDP datagrams that contain only Initial packets to at least

You could pad the datagram by sending a coalesced packet with only padding frames.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
 A sender that does not use pacing SHOULD reset its congestion window to the
-minimum of the current congestion window and the initial congestion window.
-This recommendation is based on Section 4.1 of {{?RFC5681}}.
+smaller of the current congestion window and the initial congestion window, as
+recommended for TCP (see Section 4.1 of {{?RFC5681}}).
+
+A sender MAY implement alternate mechanisms to update its congestion window
+after idle periods, such as those proposed for TCP in {{?RFC7661}}.

To be clear, we're not really expecting anyone to implement this, right?

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Assuming that PRIORITY can only reference a stream that already "exist= s" client-side, the maximum number would be the number of permitted clien= t-initiated bidirectional streams. Perhaps the requirements should simpl= y be that PRIORITY cannot reference a stream that the client isn't permit= ted to open?

I don't really want to "actually open" the stream when the PRIORITY fr= ame arrives, but checking that it's less than the MAX_STREAM_ID on receip= t seems like a reasonable server-side check.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2205,12 +2210,13 @@ An endpoint is not expected to handle key updates when it is closing or
 draining.  A key update might prevent the endpoint from moving from the closing
 state to draining, but it otherwise has no impact.
 
-An endpoint could receive packets from a new source address, indicating a client
-connection migration ({{migration}}), while in the closing period. An endpoint
-in the closing state MUST strictly limit the number of packets it sends to this
-new address until the address is validated (see {{migrate-validate}}). A server
-in the closing state MAY instead choose to discard packets received from a new
-source address.
+While in the closing period, an endpoint could receive packets from a
+new source address, indicating a client connection migration
+({{migration}}). An endpoint in the closing state MUST strictly limit
+the number of packets it sends to this new address until the address
+is validated (see {{migrate-validate}}). A server in the closing state
+MAY instead choose to discard packets received from a new source
+address.

I tried rewrapping it for him, but that makes all the comments outdated, unfortunately. I think this will need a rewrap just before merge instead, unfortunately.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-If a PATH_RESPONSE frame is received on a different local address than the one
-from which the PATH_CHALLENGE was sent, path validation is not considered to be
-successful, even if the data matches the PATH_CHALLENGE.  This doesn't result in
-path validation failure, as it might be a result of a forwarded packet (see
-{{off-path-forward}}) or misrouting.
+Note that receipt on a different local address doesn't result in path

+1. I do.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3847,10 +3858,11 @@ MUST include the value of the Original Destination Connection ID field of the
 Retry packet (that is, the Destination Connection ID field from the client's
 first Initial packet) in the transport parameter.
 
-If the client received and processed a Retry packet, it validates that the
-original_connection_id transport parameter is present and correct; otherwise, it
-validates that the transport parameter is absent.  A client MUST treat a failed
-validation as a connection error of type TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR.
+If the client received and processed a Retry packet, it MUST validate
+that the original_connection_id transport parameter is present and
+correct; otherwise, it validates that the transport parameter is
+absent.  A client MUST treat a failed validation as a connection error
+of type TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR.

Hah, yes. Suggested above.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
 A sender that does not use pacing SHOULD reset its congestion window to the
-minimum of the current congestion window and the initial congestion window.
-This recommendation is based on Section 4.1 of {{?RFC5681}}.
+smaller of the current congestion window and the initial congestion window, as
+recommended for TCP (see Section 4.1 of {{?RFC5681}}).
+
+A sender MAY implement alternate mechanisms to update its congestion window
+after idle periods, such as those proposed for TCP in {{?RFC7661}}.

As formulated this does not permit bursts up to a decayed cwnd because init cwnd is required if not pacing.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2294,7 +2301,7 @@ coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission.
 
 ## Stateless Reset {#stateless-reset}
 
-A stateless reset is provided as an option of last resort for an endpoint that
+A stateless reset is provided as an option of last resort for a server that

It'd all be a lot simpler if we just went with client and server :-)

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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
 A sender that does not use pacing SHOULD reset its congestion window to the
-minimum of the current congestion window and the initial congestion window.
-This recommendation is based on Section 4.1 of {{?RFC5681}}.
+smaller of the current congestion window and the initial congestion window, as
+recommended for TCP (see Section 4.1 of {{?RFC5681}}).
+
+A sender MAY implement alternate mechanisms to update its congestion window
+after idle periods, such as those proposed for TCP in {{?RFC7661}}.

We do want to limit bursts to init cwnd. Beyond that, instead of describing alt mechanisms here, I think RFC 7661 offers a good and well thought out set of considerations.

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----==_mimepart_5c14524072336_7ba3ff4992d45c4636110-- From nobody Fri Dec 14 17:01:58 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18617130F14 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 17:01:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.914 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.914 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1ym8Amei9l1a for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 17:01:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E7A612E036 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 17:01:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 17:01:53 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544835713; bh=6obPxSxOrVokUAfFR+w97E0KccXFFZLE+R1FPyEmwko=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=uK0KRl2Uv8aVMglLRmV5E1b9rp7/IssRK/D9otewGTuFv4nHN/tX8VFQDKSblV8S+ UVHqkc1np1KTNKTF/DkFAfo1FedZmcYQamsU7nTi8qtWo8C75azOYCreqHwCGxaCNY V5HRKB/SFKuk8Iw7+2jLB4Kl1/2Sdm2YeuTSWFkw= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow alternate restarts after idle (#2187) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c145281ca9_561d3fba618d45b8987831"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2018 01:01:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c145281ca9_561d3fba618d45b8987831 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've restructured the section a bit more. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2187#issuecomment-447522230 ----==_mimepart_5c145281ca9_561d3fba618d45b8987831 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I've restructured the section a bit more.

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Wow, this text is weird. I don't remember writing this, but then I don't remember half the things I do. I'll send a PR.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ... but there is an amplification one. Closes #2160. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2188 -- Commit Summary -- * No spoofed ACK attack -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (33) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2188.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2188.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2188 ----==_mimepart_5c145826e2c68_3e0c3fc6570d45b4932593 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

... but there is an amplification one.

Closes #2160.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2188

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  • No spoofed ACK attack

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PR #2188 sent.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3081,14 +3081,14 @@ corrupt ECN codepoints in the IP header.
 The QUIC packet size includes the QUIC header and protected payload, but not the
 UDP or IP header.
 
-Clients MUST ensure they send the first Initial packet in a UDP datagram that is
-at least 1200 bytes.  The payload of a UDP datagram carrying the Initial packet
-MUST be expanded to at least 1200 bytes, by adding PADDING frames to the Initial
-packet and/or by combining the Initial packet with a 0-RTT packet (see
-{{packet-coalesce}}).  Sending a UDP datagram of this size ensures that the
-network path supports a reasonable Maximum Transmission Unit (MTU), and helps
-reduce the amplitude of amplification attacks caused by server responses toward
-an unverified client address, see {{address-validation}}.
+Clients MUST ensure they send the first Initial packet in single IP packet.  The

Should this say something about the first Initial packet (and the first Initial packet after a Retry)?

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I'm fine with this. I don't think it's worth getting into a discussion about IP fragmentation here.

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----==_mimepart_5c145a06bc76c_22443fef5e4d45bc10952f7-- From nobody Fri Dec 14 17:34:11 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0344C130EE2 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 17:34:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.914 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.914 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a-gzyfxXLA-W for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 17:34:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D866130EBA for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 17:34:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 17:34:07 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544837647; bh=DtVvQdc8EFXXcg28BSUT3Ze6WFu/okXAc4LVK5oIDH4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=up5APBOioDSs7EANoc9G6dOSxpbKDj8S+L5JMkG+C7K3BOl+n794d4/i7sWbUU0Ht CRKeySdMM/GiiKy2t4BUmHdfciDgYbA7xjNfisNCE4tzVZUFPQuvRyN2fTqnYN3Rvw xbAI2FbVuv8typT5vVNJm4zM65uzO1hxtdNBvXK8= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] The first Initial needs to fit into a single IP packet (#2183) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c145a0f7cb89_428c3f83c50d45c0115359d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2018 01:34:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c145a0f7cb89_428c3f83c50d45c0115359d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit janaiyengar approved this pull request. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2183#pullrequestreview-185335963 ----==_mimepart_5c145a0f7cb89_428c3f83c50d45c0115359d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Right - this fixes the bug where an endpoint retires quickly and forgets and now considers a retransmission to be a brand new CID. It's easier to ensure correctness with counters, and it's easy enough to implement. I suggest we leave this as is.

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I've been wanting to experiment with an initial RTT based on other non-resumed connections for a while, but haven't gotten around to it in gQUIC. It certainly seems like it'll be better than a fixed value, so I'm happy to encourage that in the spec.

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My recollection is what @MikeBishop says. I remember discuss= ing that changing CID on both sides allows a flow to be broken up into fl= owlets, but if the address is the same on both sides, that's a pretty cle= ar signal anyways. I am fine with requiring a change only if the peer's C= ID and address change.

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Follow-up to #2113, and some other consistency checks.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2189

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  • Editorial fixes to ECN text

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That's fair. I think we should add text to explain the consequences.

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The input plaintext for the AEAD is the QUIC packet payload, not the first QUIC frame following the header.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -sent, the connection can be aborted.
-
-The second mitigation is that the server can require that acknowledgments for
-sent packets match the encryption level of the sent packet.  This mitigation is
-useful if the connection has an ephemeral forward-secure key that is generated
-and used for every new connection.  If a packet sent is protected with a
-forward-secure key, then any acknowledgments that are received for them MUST
-also be forward-secure protected.  Since the attacker will not have the
-forward-secure key, the attacker will not be able to generate forward-secure
-protected packets with ACK frames.
-
+({{address-validation}}) from a server and then release the IP address it used
+to acquire that token.  At a later time, the attacker may initiate a 0-RTT
+connection with a server by spoofing this same address, which might now address
+a different (victim) endpoint.  The attacker can thus potentially cause the
+server to send an initial window's worth of data towards the victim.

s/initial window's/initial congestion window/

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The old text said

Keys and their corresponding secrets SHOULD be discarded when an endpoint has
received all packets with packet numbers lower than the lowest packet number
used for the new key. An endpoint might discard keys if it determines that the
length of the delay to affected packets is excessive.

A peer typically can't know when it received all packets with packet numbers lower than the lowest packet number used for the new key, since packets might have been lost or packet number might have been skipped. Dropping old keys shouldn't be a "might", it should be a SHOULD.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
 A sender that does not use pacing SHOULD reset its congestion window to the
-minimum of the current congestion window and the initial congestion window.
-This recommendation is based on Section 4.1 of {{?RFC5681}}.
+smaller of the current congestion window and the initial congestion window, as
+recommended for TCP (see Section 4.1 of {{?RFC5681}}).
+
+A sender MAY implement alternate mechanisms to update its congestion window
+after idle periods, such as those proposed for TCP in {{?RFC7661}}.

Right, I suspected as much, just wanted to be sure.

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An endpoint might want to increase bandwidth by performing optimistic ACK's. The protection is to create gaps in the PN space. If such gaps are created in early handshake, a man on the side can inject ACKs where there are gaps causing the connection to fail.

A recommendation could be to only create gaps when this attack is no longer possible, but this would give the optimistic ACK attacker an advantage.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3081,14 +3081,14 @@ corrupt ECN codepoints in the IP header.
 The QUIC packet size includes the QUIC header and protected payload, but not the
 UDP or IP header.
 
-Clients MUST ensure they send the first Initial packet in a UDP datagram that is
-at least 1200 bytes.  The payload of a UDP datagram carrying the Initial packet
-MUST be expanded to at least 1200 bytes, by adding PADDING frames to the Initial
-packet and/or by combining the Initial packet with a 0-RTT packet (see
-{{packet-coalesce}}).  Sending a UDP datagram of this size ensures that the
-network path supports a reasonable Maximum Transmission Unit (MTU), and helps
-reduce the amplitude of amplification attacks caused by server responses toward
-an unverified client address, see {{address-validation}}.
+Clients MUST ensure they send the first Initial packet in single IP packet.  The

Isn't there a broader requirement to never fragment IP packets/datagrams when doing QUIC?

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but if the address is the same on both sides, that's a pretty clear si= gnal anyways. I am fine with requiring a change only if the peer's CID an= d address change.

That is not sufficient because the client could be migrating from dome= stic wifi to mobile, to train wifi, while the server always sees the IP a= ddress of the load balancer.

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----==_mimepart_5c15129d9702c_37493ff9144d45c027971b5-- From nobody Sat Dec 15 09:39:16 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CFC2130DE8 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2018 09:39:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.056 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.056 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KGgrhkjTlpQB for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2018 09:39:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 07859126F72 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2018 09:39:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2018 09:39:10 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544895550; bh=qGh8s5i1yxVZBLwe+NLIZOP1D4wZ4QVFt2RWJc2WnS4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=c2AQa0sMz/jRmSOWtBdtLVNzQClp07vdjMfd8T9pCli8VrwbNeBd5sBcQG5LW6Tc0 29oQt6d5GcgKDsGQn6+Is830Mprd+qtvQn5cwTFE5gua3LkA+H8GgtOBoteAYKcQEE mdN51WTyNlrkzpT72AbB990lfEei0yI9z6CdVga0= From: Alessandro Ghedini Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Use 'time_sent' instead of 'time' consistently (#2193) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c153c3e77a29_6fb33fbb2cad45b814682ed"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ghedo X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2018 17:39:14 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c153c3e77a29_6fb33fbb2cad45b814682ed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The field was originally called "time", but now "time_sent" is used in DetectLostPackets() and it seems more descriptive, so use it everywhere. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2193 -- Commit Summary -- * Use 'time_sent' instead of 'time' consistently -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (12) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2193.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2193.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2193 ----==_mimepart_5c153c3e77a29_6fb33fbb2cad45b814682ed Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The field was originally called "time", but now "time_sent" is used in
DetectLostPackets() and it seems more descriptive, so use it everywhere.

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Doesn't seem to be used anywhere...

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I understand that this is the intent, but I could not find a specific sentence in the TLS draft that said that the PNE key remains unchanged for the duration of the connection.

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Closes #2195. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2196 -- Commit Summary -- * Header protection keys don't change -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (7) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2196.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2196.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2196 ----==_mimepart_5c16231c9f8e9_53123fa133cd45c4502743 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I could have sworn that I had done this already.

Closes #2195.

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@pravb commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -
-QUIC includes MaxAckDelay in all probe timeouts, because it assumes the ack
-delay may come into play, regardless of the number of ack-eliciting
-packets in flight. TCP's TLP assumes if at least 2 ack-eliciting packets are
-in flight, acks will not be delayed.
-
-A PTO value of at least 1.5*SRTT ensures that the ACK is overdue.  The 1.5 is
-based on {{?TLP}}, but implementations MAY experiment with other constants.
-
-To reduce latency, it is RECOMMENDED that the sender set and allow the TLP timer
-to fire twice before setting an RTO timer. In other words, when the TLP timer
-expires the first time, a TLP packet is sent, and it is RECOMMENDED that the TLP
-timer be scheduled for a second time. When the TLP timer expires the second
-time, a second TLP packet is sent, and an RTO timer SHOULD be scheduled {{rto}}.
+~~~
+PTO = max(smoothed_rtt + 4*rttvar + max_ack_delay, kGranularity)

That's reasonable. So this is how we'd justify the deviation from TCP:

  1. Include RttVar component in the computation for in network variability.
  2. Require the receiver to include the perturbation for system processing delays. So 2186 needs to add a SHOULD for adding a perturbation value on top of the actual max ack delay. I'll comment there.

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----==_mimepart_5c1693c7acbee_24af3f9fe42d45c47144f9-- From nobody Sun Dec 16 10:30:40 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73A95129AB8 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 10:30:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.459 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.459 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z5ktLKmm7RN9 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 10:30:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E3E7512958B for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 10:30:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2018 10:30:35 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544985035; bh=gHTgACib0t2xOeS7eAY9CyTF9ptqaEMv7ZNawci+e7Y=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=C9bllGKUQLG1GAY9AxjROZgcDxRaOqRXcAXhVsqctCwgqkagwJRVDMLEi72HYITke I8TMnQCqxp7anpWu58ebt2u9tUVsXEMJgF2tHP9Lt1UKoHrA7KDSGXURSOd6Cz3Pza mwFymkbTXE4l5JRzet32xigLdTdM4c+l2oOV8OFs= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Discuss considerations for max_ack_delay (#2186) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c1699cbb53df_633f3f827fcd45c482498"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2018 18:30:38 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c1699cbb53df_633f3f827fcd45c482498 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @pravb: I think this is good. I think SHOULD is the right level here -- there might be conditions where a receiver knows its delay bounds well enough. As you noted in #2114, this is a departure from how we've traditionally thought about responsibilities, since in TCP this is entirely sender-side. This is probably important to emphasize, as a rationale for why we're doing this differently in QUIC. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2186#issuecomment-447665161 ----==_mimepart_5c1699cbb53df_633f3f827fcd45c482498 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@pravb: I think this is good. I think SHOULD is the right lev= el here -- there might be conditions where a receiver knows its delay bou= nds well enough.

As you noted in #2114, this is a departure from how we've t= raditionally thought about responsibilities, since in TCP this is entirel= y sender-side. This is probably important to emphasize, as a rationale f= or why we're doing this differently in QUIC.

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Commit: 97ae487118d4dd404fbda9b74e5e411d7e9a6562 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/97ae487118d4dd404fbda9b74e5e411d7e9a6562 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-12-16 (Sun, 16 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2194 from ghedo/unused_const Remove unused kDelayedAckTimeout constant Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/196dfe56bae9...97ae487118d4 **NOTE:** This service has been marked for deprecation: https://developer.github.com/changes/2018-04-25-github-services-deprecation/ Functionality will be removed from GitHub.com on January 31st, 2019. ----==_mimepart_5c16a1695601d_18892b0cc84b85703909d-- From nobody Sun Dec 16 11:03:18 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EB2012958B for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 11:03:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.842 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.842 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NId8LM8BInp7 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 11:03:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F166812D4EC for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 11:03:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2018 11:03:07 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1544986987; bh=+SLTZyLOVNV/I07e1Xzxe1GDgFPfylmwrtPjvQHJr6Q=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=W9+ODxiqciwa4hHzMKaYkI4PDXjdH3YYIx3OuH4V0NV7D/WmUg/dW3UtZwDgvYen3 K6OjxsprHa6sBF4vbG9EB+7g1iSlFV2ay2Llbjsbx0WLbf50WhiJXVn07HLCRxoZjR pOSKeCkWjGZKkrqM/ZOvj7h03qeQmfRA37UpspGw= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove unused kDelayedAckTimeout constant (#2194) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c16a16be8764_678b3fe2c6ed45c05725c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2018 19:03:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c16a16be8764_678b3fe2c6ed45c05725c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merged #2194 into master. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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----==_mimepart_5c170346646a3_65da3fd6da0d45bc131962-- From nobody Sun Dec 16 18:02:22 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76897130E74 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 18:02:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.36 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.36 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IVZSNg5uZ30z for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 18:02:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from m69-170.mailgun.net (m69-170.mailgun.net [166.78.69.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7FE1B130E69 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 18:02:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1545012135; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=lc9+n5bSdiuX/scp0rpVHYnLTMcH0yOMsK3Wd/RWDtM=; b=vg0rKnS83BRvLhOZDqIrTW0tsuik66NT20+50eonBwiy+bnS6qlw7Weys7xIkemE8lOTib2g 9M7bNEX9pg9GHzwJATuQM2VwmcWgiyhChAUvE+6K0SsOylPiBnoE2+arbnBC6iEKkibWzaVc vpvHd65ym5ktaUz7mtHMQTfIivg= X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.69.170 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Sender: mt=lowentropy.net@github.com Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.39]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 5c1703a7.7fb5288bf330-smtp-out-n03; Mon, 17 Dec 2018 02:02:15 -0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2018 18:02:14 -0800 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5c1703a6a506b_4f52ad5f96f657c508ed@hookshot-fe-da92815.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] b2baaa: Pad to at least 1200 bytes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c1703a6a48f9_4f52ad5f96f657c507ef"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 02:02:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c1703a6a48f9_4f52ad5f96f657c507ef Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: b2baaad92f5a0351ae09ca831025920f26090fa3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b2baaad92f5a0351ae09ca831025920f26090fa3 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-14 (Fri, 14 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Pad to at least 1200 bytes Closes #2167. 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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was planning to make only two changes here, but there were a few editorial itches I needed to scratch, so this does: 1. renames ACK Blocks to ACK Ranges 2. moves the First ACK Range field to the top level 3. renames the ECN Section to ECN Counters and adds a description of that field 4. uses the field names more consistently (s/Gaps/Gap fields/ and so forth) 5. makes figure and list intros more consistent You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2197 -- Commit Summary -- * Reorganize ACK section -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (153) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2197.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2197.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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I was planning to make only two changes here, but there were a few
editorial itches I needed to scratch, so this does:

  1. renames ACK Blocks to ACK Ranges

  2. moves the First ACK Range field to the top level

  3. renames the ECN Section to ECN Counters and adds a description of
    that field

  4. uses the field names more consistently (s/Gaps/Gap fields/ and so
    forth)

  5. makes figure and list intros more consistent

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2197

Commit Summary

  • Reorganize ACK section

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----==_mimepart_5c170a838a211_2f763f9cb38d45c017776c-- From nobody Sun Dec 16 18:41:31 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 267DA130DEB for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 18:41:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2PjX1vUali3G for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 18:41:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D21A1294D7 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 18:41:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2018 18:41:25 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1545014485; bh=tK9B5RO3eDOAK7Nfcz7fstCwZVbyG745iqjq8aZ0NZg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=1gF6gp/Oj+dwQzLIvEX5UCu8fw2vrn1m0vDWU3a/pUJBNcAc1G9IQcTeUiF4YfjPJ 3VFE62VCTIeDeBQrn8zIV4nm65Py+vD3z0jW3PJW3g2UhUdWHZ70oGJ1xcJjiFA1sb QKHMFfkN3PcOhEt0zr3On5ldwM8qI//Moe0aiSrA= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Editorial fixes to ECN text (#2189) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c170cd58da94_34d3f90414d45c0147989"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 02:41:29 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c170cd58da94_34d3f90414d45c0147989 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson approved this pull request. Changes LGTM, though I have a new failure mode for ECN to add. Also, this will rot my new patch, but I can look after that. > @@ -3031,33 +3031,28 @@ an ACK frame without ECN feedback, the endpoint stops setting ECT codepoints in subsequent IP packets, with the expectation that either the network path or the peer no longer supports ECN. -To reduce the risk of non-standard compliant ECN markings affecting the -operation of an endpoint, an endpoint verifies the counts it receives when it -receives new acknowledgements: +Network devices that corrupt or apply non-standard ECN markings might result in +reduced throughput or other undesirable side-effects. To reduce this risk, an +endpoint uses the following steps to verify the counts it receives in an ACK +frame. Note that the counts MUST NOT be verified if the ACK frame does not ```suggestion frame. Counts MUST NOT be verified if the ACK frame does not ``` Now we don't say why this is any more. Is that OK? There's a perverse situation in which this results in another problem with this logic. That situation is where the largest acknowledged is lower on packet that is sent later. AND that packet acknowledges more packets so that the counts are higher. AND that packet is reordered ahead of packets with higher largest acknowledged. This results in the verification failing on the second packet to arrive (counts are lower because it's an older ACK, but the largest acknowledged is higher). A fix is to never decrease the largest acknowledged when sending an ACK frame. Another is to disable validation if the packet containing the ACK is not higher-numbered than the last packet containing an ACK. The question is whether we care enough to recommend either fix... @gloinul, WDYT? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2189#pullrequestreview-185423232 ----==_mimepart_5c170cd58da94_34d3f90414d45c0147989 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@martinthomson approved this pull request.

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Changes LGTM, though I have a new failure mode for ECN to add.

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That situation is where the largest acknowledged is lower on packet th= at is sent later. AND that packet acknowledges more packets so that the = counts are higher. AND that packet is reordered ahead of packets with hi= gher largest acknowledged. This results in the verification failing on t= he second packet to arrive (counts are lower because it's an older ACK, b= ut the largest acknowledged is higher).

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A fix is to never decrease the largest acknowledged when sending an AC= K frame. Another is to disable validation if the packet containing the A= CK is not higher-numbered than the last packet containing an ACK. The qu= estion is whether we care enough to recommend either fix...

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(From #2189)

There's a perverse situation in which ECN verification results in another problem.

That situation is where the largest acknowledged is lower on packet that is sent later. AND that packet acknowledges more packets so that the counts are higher. AND that packet is reordered ahead of packets with higher largest acknowledged. This results in the verification failing on the second packet to arrive (counts are lower because it's an older ACK, but the largest acknowledged is higher).

A fix is to never decrease the largest acknowledged when sending an ACK frame. Another is to disable validation if the packet containing the ACK is not higher-numbered than the last packet containing an ACK. The question is whether we care enough to recommend either fix...

@gloinul, WDYT?

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Add a stronger recommendation about what "short period" means (see #2172). Closes #2172. 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I was going to suggest a few things, then I made https://github.com/marten-seemann/base-drafts/pull/1 > @@ -1108,16 +1108,11 @@ updated keys, it indicates that its peer has updated keys twice without awaiting a reciprocal update. An endpoint MUST treat consecutive key updates as a fatal error and abort the connection. -An endpoint SHOULD retain old keys for a short period to allow it to decrypt -packets with smaller packet numbers than the packet that triggered the key -update. This allows an endpoint to consume packets that are reordered around -the transition between keys. Packets with higher packet numbers always use the -updated keys and MUST NOT be decrypted with old keys. - -Keys and their corresponding secrets SHOULD be discarded when an endpoint has -received all packets with packet numbers lower than the lowest packet number -used for the new key. An endpoint might discard keys if it determines that the -length of the delay to affected packets is excessive. +An endpoint SHOULD retain old keys for a short period, and discard them and +the corresponding secrets afterwards. This allows it to decrypt packets with +smaller packet numbers than the packet that triggered the key update, which are +reordered around the transition between keys. Packets with higher packet ```suggestion Packets with higher packet ``` > @@ -1108,16 +1108,11 @@ updated keys, it indicates that its peer has updated keys twice without awaiting a reciprocal update. An endpoint MUST treat consecutive key updates as a fatal error and abort the connection. -An endpoint SHOULD retain old keys for a short period to allow it to decrypt -packets with smaller packet numbers than the packet that triggered the key -update. This allows an endpoint to consume packets that are reordered around -the transition between keys. Packets with higher packet numbers always use the -updated keys and MUST NOT be decrypted with old keys. - -Keys and their corresponding secrets SHOULD be discarded when an endpoint has -received all packets with packet numbers lower than the lowest packet number -used for the new key. An endpoint might discard keys if it determines that the -length of the delay to affected packets is excessive. +An endpoint SHOULD retain old keys for a short period, and discard them and +the corresponding secrets afterwards. This allows it to decrypt packets with +smaller packet numbers than the packet that triggered the key update, which are ```suggestion that were sent with the old keys, but were delayed in the network. ``` > @@ -1108,16 +1108,11 @@ updated keys, it indicates that its peer has updated keys twice without awaiting a reciprocal update. An endpoint MUST treat consecutive key updates as a fatal error and abort the connection. -An endpoint SHOULD retain old keys for a short period to allow it to decrypt -packets with smaller packet numbers than the packet that triggered the key -update. This allows an endpoint to consume packets that are reordered around -the transition between keys. Packets with higher packet numbers always use the -updated keys and MUST NOT be decrypted with old keys. - -Keys and their corresponding secrets SHOULD be discarded when an endpoint has -received all packets with packet numbers lower than the lowest packet number -used for the new key. An endpoint might discard keys if it determines that the -length of the delay to affected packets is excessive. +An endpoint SHOULD retain old keys for a short period, and discard them and +the corresponding secrets afterwards. This allows it to decrypt packets with ```suggestion the corresponding secrets afterwards. This allows it to decrypt packets ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2191#pullrequestreview-185424401 ----==_mimepart_5c171038abb4d_5fe3fe0414d45c04088ad Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3081,14 +3081,14 @@ corrupt ECN codepoints in the IP header.
 The QUIC packet size includes the QUIC header and protected payload, but not the
 UDP or IP header.
 
-Clients MUST ensure they send the first Initial packet in a UDP datagram that is
-at least 1200 bytes.  The payload of a UDP datagram carrying the Initial packet
-MUST be expanded to at least 1200 bytes, by adding PADDING frames to the Initial
-packet and/or by combining the Initial packet with a 0-RTT packet (see
-{{packet-coalesce}}).  Sending a UDP datagram of this size ensures that the
-network path supports a reasonable Maximum Transmission Unit (MTU), and helps
-reduce the amplitude of amplification attacks caused by server responses toward
-an unverified client address, see {{address-validation}}.
+Clients MUST ensure they send the first Initial packet in single IP packet.  The

We've been using IP packet, UDP datagram, and QUIC packet. Not great, but the IP RFCs use packet.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2841,23 +2841,24 @@ needing acknowledgement are received.  The sender can use the receiver's
 Strategies and implications of the frequency of generating acknowledgments are
 discussed in more detail in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.
 
-To limit ACK Blocks to those that have not yet been received by the sender, the
-receiver SHOULD track which ACK frames have been acknowledged by its peer.  Once
-an ACK frame has been acknowledged, the packets it acknowledges SHOULD NOT be
-acknowledged again.
+To limit the ranges of acknowledged packet numbers to those that have not yet
+been received by the sender, the receiver SHOULD track which ACK frames have
+been acknowledged by its peer.  Once an ACK frame has been acknowledged, the
+packets it acknowledges SHOULD NOT be acknowledged again.

this seems like over-strong guidance. Suppose that I receive 1 3 5, and I ack these, and that ACK is acked. I then receive 2, 4, 6. This advice would have me send an ACK frame with three ranges, whereas I could send one range.

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Yes, this also applies after Retry, and this is the best place to add that text. There's a space now if we wanted to say "don't use IP fragmentation", but I'm happy with this.

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Closes #2195. Commit: b2a53438216b7850ab7d663ec671fb66ff45a600 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b2a53438216b7850ab7d663ec671fb66ff45a600 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-16 (Sun, 16 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2196 from quicwg/hp-one-key Header protection keys don't change Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/81a750f04000...b2a53438216b **NOTE:** This service has been marked for deprecation: https://developer.github.com/changes/2018-04-25-github-services-deprecation/ Functionality will be removed from GitHub.com on January 31st, 2019. ----==_mimepart_5c17129ab25f3_50be2abbc1a5c57464826-- From nobody Sun Dec 16 19:06:17 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF756130E43 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 19:06:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.056 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.056 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pgHsaQuydXEF for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 19:06:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4A273130E3C for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 19:06:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2018 19:06:05 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1545015965; bh=bRhHWr5yEIGgbwRwqYjQZLKqC+CDE+8cWnbj4icYD1k=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=tU4koX5UnnuaTTweY4mj1WBAp9XzhEkMC0tReqLF13s2uLGO02lhWhbo7hkz3kXZO gDrKmX5iVD8a0Kn0KfmLft4k/fZY/gTZc79RABZK5T8oobmUeJPpWvwssJ27NaxJp2 kQlJNpbekrdD9vIiOKhYtV0v/BvlhrhsfwCDqaSk= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Please specify that Header Protection Key is not changed during key updates (#2195) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c17129d4e617_1c393fdcae6d45b422844b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 03:06:08 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c17129d4e617_1c393fdcae6d45b422844b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #2195 via #2196. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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----==_mimepart_5c17129d9692b_73373f8897cd45c4245738-- From nobody Sun Dec 16 19:16:12 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63C1E130E43 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 19:16:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZR6eiKqShqQ9 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 19:16:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B2B3B130E29 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 19:16:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2018 19:16:06 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1545016566; bh=3nN+U4vqSOhO12pT2LcTQiZi1Rq2jXqR39q4zynHLkY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=aQ4w0iUAYe4tsqheof4PIzZYXbsleDbSBrel2AiDbvoo7IE9blrGA4bOCSoR6/wXp owR2R9tsS2UhquPwEH6wlUhHYZoVNORtnuoGFz8QMtP24oP3WHMZZlGNIwmeaTGK/p jmlsTBXy86xkBzsIhA/w/phmkA7ZYy6RY0cJ7ZYQ= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow alternate restarts after idle (#2187) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c1714f6b39f4_3e963fac14ad45bc16509a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 03:16:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c1714f6b39f4_3e963fac14ad45bc16509a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson approved this pull request. > -packets to no more than the initial congestion window and subsequent packets -SHOULD be paced. The congestion window does not change while the connection -is idle. - -A sender that does not use pacing SHOULD reset its congestion window to the -minimum of the current congestion window and the initial congestion window. -This recommendation is based on Section 4.1 of {{?RFC5681}}. +## Sending data after an idle period + +A sender is considered idle if it has no bytes in flight and no pending +ack-eliciting data to send. A sender can become idle when it is application +limited or when it encounters a retransmission timeout. + +A sender's congestion window MUST not increase while it is idle. + +When a sender starts sending data after an idle period, it's sending rate SHOULD ```suggestion When a sender starts sending data after an idle period, its sending rate SHOULD ``` > -SHOULD be paced. The congestion window does not change while the connection -is idle. - -A sender that does not use pacing SHOULD reset its congestion window to the -minimum of the current congestion window and the initial congestion window. -This recommendation is based on Section 4.1 of {{?RFC5681}}. +## Sending data after an idle period + +A sender is considered idle if it has no bytes in flight and no pending +ack-eliciting data to send. A sender can become idle when it is application +limited or when it encounters a retransmission timeout. + +A sender's congestion window MUST not increase while it is idle. + +When a sender starts sending data after an idle period, it's sending rate SHOULD +be decided as follows. ```suggestion be decided as follows: ``` > +A sender is considered idle if it has no bytes in flight and no pending +ack-eliciting data to send. A sender can become idle when it is application +limited or when it encounters a retransmission timeout. + +A sender's congestion window MUST not increase while it is idle. + +When a sender starts sending data after an idle period, it's sending rate SHOULD +be decided as follows. + + - If the sender uses pacing, it does not need to reduce its congestion + window. It SHOULD however pace the congestion window and MAY allow an + initial burst no larger than the initial congestion window. + + - If the sender does not use pacing, it SHOULD reset its congestion window to + the smaller of the current congestion window and the initial congestion + window, as recommended for TCP (see Section 4.1 of {{?RFC5681}}). Maybe ignore my suggestions and use this instead: > When sending data after becoming idle, a sender MUST reset its congestion window to the initial congestion window (see blah), unless it paces the sending of packets. A sender MAY retain its congestion window if it paces the sending of any packets in excess of the initial congestion window. I realize that this changes the emphasis slightly, but I think that it's clearer and more succinct. I still think that this is an abrupt transition, but I guess the answer to any complaint there is simply "pacing". -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2187#pullrequestreview-185427318 ----==_mimepart_5c1714f6b39f4_3e963fac14ad45bc16509a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@martinthomson approved this pull request.

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Maybe ignore my suggestions and use this instead:

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When sending data after becoming idle, a sender MUST reset its congest= ion window to the initial congestion window (see blah), unless it paces t= he sending of packets. A sender MAY retain its congestion window if it p= aces the sending of any packets in excess of the initial congestion windo= w.

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I realize that this changes the emphasis slightly, but I think that it= 's clearer and more succinct.

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I still think that this is an abrupt transition, but I guess the answe= r to any complaint there is simply "pacing".

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I then receive 2, 4, 6. This advice would have me send an ACK frame with three ranges, whereas I could send one range. I think that the advice here is that ranges are dropped when all ACKs for all packets in that range have been acknowledged. Or something along those lines. Maybe: > An endpoint SHOULD omit an ACK Range if it has received an acknowledgment for its acknowledgments of all packets in that range. Though that seems clumsy. Better words would be appreciated. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2199 ----==_mimepart_5c1716001fcac_72033fdcff2d45bc2638ec Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

From @ekr:

Once an ACK frame has been acknowledged, the packets it acknowledges SHOULD NOT be acknowledged again.
Suppose that I receive 1 3 5, and I ack these, and that ACK is acked. I then receive 2, 4, 6. This advice would have me send an ACK frame with three ranges, whereas I could send one range.

I think that the advice here is that ranges are dropped when all ACKs for all packets in that range have been acknowledged. Or something along those lines.

Maybe:

An endpoint SHOULD omit an ACK Range if it has received an acknowledgment for its acknowledgments of all packets in that range.

Though that seems clumsy. Better words would be appreciated.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2841,23 +2841,24 @@ needing acknowledgement are received.  The sender can use the receiver's
 Strategies and implications of the frequency of generating acknowledgments are
 discussed in more detail in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.
 
-To limit ACK Blocks to those that have not yet been received by the sender, the
-receiver SHOULD track which ACK frames have been acknowledged by its peer.  Once
-an ACK frame has been acknowledged, the packets it acknowledges SHOULD NOT be
-acknowledged again.
+To limit the ranges of acknowledged packet numbers to those that have not yet
+been received by the sender, the receiver SHOULD track which ACK frames have
+been acknowledged by its peer.  Once an ACK frame has been acknowledged, the
+packets it acknowledges SHOULD NOT be acknowledged again.

FWIW, I agree. #2199

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2841,23 +2841,24 @@ needing acknowledgement are received.  The sender can use the receiver's
 Strategies and implications of the frequency of generating acknowledgments are
 discussed in more detail in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.
 
-To limit ACK Blocks to those that have not yet been received by the sender, the
-receiver SHOULD track which ACK frames have been acknowledged by its peer.  Once
-an ACK frame has been acknowledged, the packets it acknowledges SHOULD NOT be
-acknowledged again.
+To limit the ranges of acknowledged packet numbers to those that have not yet
+been received by the sender, the receiver SHOULD track which ACK frames have
+been acknowledged by its peer.  Once an ACK frame has been acknowledged, the
+packets it acknowledges SHOULD NOT be acknowledged again.

How about: ... Once an ACK frame has been acknowledged, it is RECOMMENDED to not repeat acknowledgement of the same packets. The point is, there is no harm whatsoever in repeating the range multiple times, but it is good practice to keep ACK frames short.

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----==_mimepart_5c171abea72d0_69963fa611cd45b4263910-- From nobody Sun Dec 16 19:45:31 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC1A712E036 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 19:45:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.842 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.842 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mPN2rtor5tDS for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 19:45:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ECCE212D4F2 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 19:45:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2018 19:45:27 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1545018327; bh=eQzQNRbtWI0Ux5LtH1C5b+Qfawj3THJ/251X9TjlPIs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=CFyAQawdZ9NTYhyA9yb2BMwp/ucHxUvk8afZyt4QyQijChAPXxrAI3/q88jecZhf4 I8hVsj6jgURmxjok3D3rAftgXCPFDxArLySsl181tWsTu5UGLebusZ9EnC3BsN3Szi AnKavYTeU7wkXoEx0S/XNsyM+X7f9GNIx/PWdhEY= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] kInitialRtt of 100 msec is too aggressive (#2184) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c171bd74bf8d_23213fde630d45b84483b8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 03:45:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c171bd74bf8d_23213fde630d45b84483b8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Half-way around the world is 20Km. The speed of light through optical fiber is about 100ms. Thus, halfway around the world is 100ms, and the corresponding round trip 200ms. Using 200ms by default makes sense. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2184#issuecomment-447714243 ----==_mimepart_5c171bd74bf8d_23213fde630d45b84483b8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Half-way around the world is 20Km. The speed of light through optical fiber is about 100ms. Thus, halfway around the world is 100ms, and the corresponding round trip 200ms. Using 200ms by default makes sense.

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=0D received acknowledgement of acknowledgements, except where this would
= =0D create unnecessary gaps in the encoded ACK frame." Not ideal, I know= /
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=0D > Once an ACK frame has been acknowledged, the packets it acknowledges=
=0D > SHOULD NOT be acknowledged again.
=0D > Suppose that I receive 1 3 5, and I ack these, and that ACK is acked= . I
=0D > then receive 2, 4, 6. This advice would have me send an ACK frame wi= th
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=0D > I think that the advice here is that ranges are dropped when all ACK= s for
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=0D > An endpoint SHOULD omit an ACK Range if it has received an acknowled= gment
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I could see that some kind of text could be useful in debug more. But = when running in production mode, I would just use the error code number, = no text at all. If the error code is not precise enough, then we should c= reate new error codes. The classic counter argument is that creating too = many error codes provides information about the state of the stack that c= an be used by attackers. But then, adding explicit messages provides just= as much information to attackers, so cannot possibly be better than addi= ng more error codes...

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So we optimize for the worst case?

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----==_mimepart_5c172c8b6dde6_69c73f909ecd45c4595678-- From nobody Sun Dec 16 20:57:10 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 636E11286E7 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 20:57:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EiKpzWWxE73w for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 20:57:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B7DC01200D7 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 20:57:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2018 20:57:06 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1545022626; bh=9iSgVYBLVjkjUedlpD2DJf05+SEEhbUMIP4fw+JAo7w=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=HDXMN1ohtArLlGncMC78kspw8Var8B6rouxCuw3phtfFaTnpY+Mh7YiNjoE0sbJI9 p/B62UIFyUGqdWUOkCM6PXvObwGt5s7jX0KxsTFQjB0hJKNueVH32WPOQvN4OsgX/h cQYN753TacoT1bnXFK3KHlHQFBr2yrez3sVPV+rA= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] kInitialRtt of 100 msec is too aggressive (#2184) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c172ca2a5011_d823fd6da0d45bc243375"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 04:57:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c172ca2a5011_d823fd6da0d45bc243375 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think kInitialRTT of 100ms is conservative enough (at least for Initial packets), because a client would be retransmitting at most one packet, even when the server is at the opposite side of the world. QUIC has 0-RTT packets that allows an endpoint to transmit several number of packets before seeing a response from the server (see also #2135), because the server "probably" knows the key to decrypt the packets. Considering the fact that we allow that, I think that retransmitting an Initial packet when it has "probably" been lost is also fine. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2184#issuecomment-447722703 ----==_mimepart_5c172ca2a5011_d823fd6da0d45bc243375 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think kInitialRTT of 100ms is conservative enough (at least for Init= ial packets), because a client would be retransmitting at most one packet= , even when the server is at the opposite side of the world.

QUIC has 0-RTT packets that allows an endpoint to transmit several num= ber of packets before seeing a response from the server (see also = #2135), because the server "probably" knows the key to decrypt the pa= ckets. Considering the fact that we allow that, I think that retransmitti= ng an Initial packet when it has "probably" been lost is also fine.

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This sounds like a piecemeal solution to Initial injection attacks, therefore I would prefer not to do that. IMO, just having a blanket allowance (#2141) would be fine.

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@marten-seemann pushed 2 commits.

  • 74ea30b Key discard requirements
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IIRC what @mirjak says aligns to what I remember as the outco= me of Kista.

I think it makes sense to encourage receivers to send back ACK frames = with ECN counters, because without that, a sender cannot use ECN.

Whether a sender should use ECN is a different issue, and for that I p= refer not having a recommendation.

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FWIW, it helps when you have multiple connections coalesced onto a 5-t= uple.

An endpoints rotates the sending CIDs of all the connections at once, = and that triggers the peer to rotate all of it's sending CIDs at once. Th= en, it becomes very hard for an observer to track the individual connecti= ons.

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@ianswett If that's the consensus, I am happy to accept it (I do not have a strong opinion here).

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----==_mimepart_5c173119b6cc9_6673fc4550d45b8773448-- From nobody Sun Dec 16 22:23:16 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AB46128CE4 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 22:23:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.459 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.459 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1ZxaL2CISds8 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 22:23:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D064128BCC for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 22:23:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2018 22:23:10 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1545027790; bh=y/VnxsasalhyWJBZ7XfFrdH3OCDCjWIBa3y2RFi2ySA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=tGRCTXTJfSOnDFwwyX8iVVcyb3j9KkRhc0cJR/+ITj3iPpRzAuubN2dykvnIbsOnZ 3Kr7VVvwvSBM/7ln/uNVARTbPwHj3akR+Z2X0n2vjGaP0+W5fKaYhUpkhOWVnJDEm4 3eURlfr+oGHYLPNaJREaZ9EEqCmWIzJA4bD9GetM= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] kInitialRtt of 100 msec is too aggressive (#2184) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c1740cef0f23_35b23ff48d4d45c411316f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 06:23:14 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c1740cef0f23_35b23ff48d4d45c411316f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It depends how many times a client is going to retransmit. It is all a matter of tradeoffs. Suppose that we transmit 4 times at 100 ms interval; on a geo stationary satellite link the response will come after 600ms. That means all connection attempts will fail. If the client does exponential back off, it will transmit at 0, 100, 300, 700. Then the satellite connection will work most of the time. But the client will only certify a failure after 1100 ms. So no, we don't need to optimize for the worst case. But we need to make sure that the worst case does not always fail. If nodes want optimization, they can remember the RTT of commonly used destinations and use that instead of the default. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2184#issuecomment-447735381 ----==_mimepart_5c1740cef0f23_35b23ff48d4d45c411316f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It depends how many times a client is going to retransmit. It is all a= matter of tradeoffs. Suppose that we transmit 4 times at 100 ms interval= ; on a geo stationary satellite link the response will come after 600ms. = That means all connection attempts will fail. If the client does exponent= ial back off, it will transmit at 0, 100, 300, 700. Then the satellite co= nnection will work most of the time. But the client will only certify a f= ailure after 1100 ms.

So no, we don't need to optimize for the worst case. But we need to ma= ke sure that the worst case does not always fail. If nodes want optimizat= ion, they can remember the RTT of commonly used destinations and use that= instead of the default.

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Do we have a maximum? I didn't think that was the subject of the disc= ussion. Timeouts always need to look at the tail. Though having more pa= ckets in the pipe might allow that tail to be brought in a little more th= an otherwise.

As for remembering RTTs being the solution here, strengthening our rel= iance on mechanisms that reinforce incumbancy is the best outcome. I cer= tainly expect people to do that, but if that means that a site is only "f= ast" on return visits, that's going to disadvantage new players more.

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The initial crypto retransmission timeout is reiche the initial RTT, so the first retransmission would happen after 200ms, not after 100ms. Every further retransmission will be exponentially backed off.

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----==_mimepart_5c174655750b7_4b883f8c2ced45c01975f4-- From nobody Sun Dec 16 22:56:04 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC0A1128CF2 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 22:55:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mMyUAuyzvvHc for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 22:55:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EE577128CE4 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 22:55:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2018 22:55:56 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1545029756; bh=T+yJCuP7jJDrRxSsYcSOemyusGKeo5tmKkJ57zIlgAY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=vLpo4tfWB3HQ2Vfoj0BD7KVopuXqN9fiJqsI0SGrUG6VRno7SoXswCkC3YWBt+6AP vjDzXiGwdqKjeAogvjqrKeJxEEsF3OnctTqtm1OWPYQF0I+VNiPt0B6Psk3+6z/qTy gcLYz8FJxxCUwbULQSnUS8g6ch1n/uPyxtbnhiU8= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] kInitialRtt of 100 msec is too aggressive (#2184) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c17487ced640_4ae53f8c2ced45c0369483"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 06:56:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c17487ced640_4ae53f8c2ced45c0369483 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinthomson I don't know what the practical maximum is, I don't have access to telemetry data for that. I would pick 1 second by default, or maybe 1.2 sec for 2 geo-sat hops. I don't particularly worry about having too many packets in flight, I just want to ensure that in the worst case the node has a chance to receive the response to at least the first retransmission before giving up. So I guess if the total wait time is about 1.5 sec we can be fine. Based on what @marten-seemann said, the 100 initial RTT results in a schedule of retransmissions at 200, 600, 1400 and 3000 ms, giving up 6.2 sec after the initial attempt. This seems like plenty. A bit slow, actually. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2184#issuecomment-447741398 ----==_mimepart_5c17487ced640_4ae53f8c2ced45c0369483 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@martinthomson I don't know what the practical maximum i= s, I don't have access to telemetry data for that. I would pick 1 second = by default, or maybe 1.2 sec for 2 geo-sat hops. I don't particularly wor= ry about having too many packets in flight, I just want to ensure that in= the worst case the node has a chance to receive the response to at least= the first retransmission before giving up. So I guess if the total wait = time is about 1.5 sec we can be fine. Based on what @marten-= seemann said, the 100 initial RTT results in a schedule of retransmis= sions at 200, 600, 1400 and 3000 ms, giving up 6.2 sec after the initial = attempt. This seems like plenty. A bit slow, actually.

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@huitema: Are you suggesting that 100ms is not aggressive enough then, especially considering Ryan's statistics in #752 (comment)?
Where does your suggestion to retransmit exactly 4 times come from?

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Maybe it is not problematic - I don't know how much you can manipulate cnwd while doing handshake. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2192#issuecomment-447769706 ----==_mimepart_5c176612104d6_199c3f95586d45c03310d2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Nothing I mention is a solution. #2141 just opens the optimistic ACK attack which is not an injection attack. Maybe it is not problematic - I don't know how much you can manipulate cnwd while doing handshake.

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Note that the current text: " An endpoint can then immediately close the connection with a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION (see Section 10.3)." would need expansion to deal with blanket allowance of rejection in handshake.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -minimum of the current congestion window and the initial congestion window.
-This recommendation is based on Section 4.1 of {{?RFC5681}}.
+## Sending data after an idle period
+
+A sender is considered idle if it has no bytes in flight and no pending
+ack-eliciting data to send.  A sender can become idle when it is application
+limited or when it encounters a retransmission timeout.
+
+A sender's congestion window MUST not increase while it is idle.
+
+When a sender starts sending data after an idle period, it's sending rate SHOULD
+be decided as follows.
+
+  - If the sender uses pacing, it does not need to reduce its congestion
+    window. It SHOULD however pace the congestion window and MAY allow an
+    initial burst no larger than the initial congestion window.

I don't understand this. "MAY allow initial burst no larger", does this it MAY also allow larger?

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I'd suggest increasing slightly above 100ms because US - Europe will hover between 101 - 150 ms, unless we want to almost always retransmit the Initial packet defensively on non regional links, which kind of makes sense.

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----==_mimepart_5c176e5e4e3dd_62f93ff8a22d45bc107932-- From nobody Mon Dec 17 02:06:47 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21F85130E2E for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2018 02:06:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mjiOzpw5x7Lc for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2018 02:06:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 69B9E129C6A for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2018 02:06:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=kfr0mS/23wZAEX9IKRbXo/YzBcs=; b=v6ohL1Zieoaf7wkY +a2mXAz+EjYQc4b56qyz2DswwiDn7tZLKpyyg/YEMQ1gV+X9rQwBv+PFDKr511el 3HxE7mzWdmh1atwCUmOeksVwN5kmSzIdHWq1ZacS3rsYkC0bvMMuaV90JOrAzJBH z5/iDgahZD36I9vxyEnClQw0Exw= Received: by filter0412p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0412p1iad2-29915-5C177534-3 2018-12-17 10:06:44.0548454 +0000 UTC m=+301224.186362962 Received: from github-lowworker-3c598a3.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.43]) by ismtpd0030p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id eewv5iSDQKieEcGOSjrvfw for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2018 10:06:44.085 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-3c598a3.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12DC4A80246 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2018 02:06:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 10:06:44 +0000 (UTC) From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] kInitialRtt of 100 msec is too aggressive (#2184) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c17753410d62_2ecc3fcf73cd45c4171245"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1Ld9smeMbKDeyAOXWAmjY8AuwhWiYQqQl+aH oPIdsv/inLIq9BQkDEfi2ql4yo+CybQKBQsRI0PqovHwKTtHjNzrRsJASk2sYH7XssJUZH8vuJCf4u X3nemQ1UeckRsfFVp/UukTRUTb6UmAOSKX/2XS5+7cINNGFPLMKJb5JJQg== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 10:06:47 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c17753410d62_2ecc3fcf73cd45c4171245 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think Ryans estimates are particularly convincing except to ensure that QUIC also works well for that case. Any non-Google user couldn't care less about how many data centers Google use to distribute queries when deploying a QUIC application. You need to ensure QUIC works optimally well in the sub 40ms range, but the outliers needs to handled, as @huitema points out. One option is to retransmit Initial packets 4 times in fixed intervals of 80 ms, or larger if bandwidth is expensive until at least one packet has been received by peer. The 4x ensures that one packet gets through event at loss rates up to 75% and in the typical cases at most one or two packets are sent. If there is no response after the 4th packet, the burst is repeated at increasingly larger intervals. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2184#issuecomment-447789198 ----==_mimepart_5c17753410d62_2ecc3fcf73cd45c4171245 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I don't think Ryans estimates are particularly convincing except to ensu= re that QUIC also works well for that case. Any non-Google user couldn't ca= re less about how many data centers Google use to distribute queries when d= eploying a QUIC application. You need to ensure QUIC works optimally well i= n the sub 40ms range, but the outliers needs to handled, as @huitema po= ints out.

One option is to retransmit Initial packets 4 times in fixed intervals o= f 80 ms, or larger if bandwidth is expensive until at least one packet has = been received by peer. The 4x ensures that one packet gets through event at= loss rates up to 75% and in the typical cases at most one or two packets a= re sent. If there is no response after the 4th packet, the burst is repeate= d at increasingly larger intervals.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c17753410d62_2ecc3fcf73cd45c4171245-- From nobody Mon Dec 17 04:57:58 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22DC712872C for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2018 04:57:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.459 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.459 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mXSZItuDIP7y for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2018 04:57:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A65A91286E7 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2018 04:57:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 04:57:52 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1545051472; bh=PtbyNS84+FiqfWY99cGVT6tyVpxWfvZA+ubjtxmWw3g=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=McwyL3Q/O4aYCZxan3PxnVIB4K3aQ0dRvta7kXsJ+XMYCjqRCmbRhCLOcnymlq1BP nzT4SNFByLnZmkyFOmLMv0H4LYu83Jmzjtx/ja/8+p4Wa1Sgb4AbMD5n7JPY+WLJ00 QYEL1/IbK47fc4zY4BC9F14kR5fQNCGT47FXnG9M= From: Magnus Westerlund Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] More ECN verification failure modes (#2198) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c179d50468bf_2adc3fe3c86d45c01226f0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gloinul X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 12:57:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c179d50468bf_2adc3fe3c86d45c01226f0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maybe we need to bring back my proposed text to actually look that the PN of the packet containing the ACK frame is the highest received so far, else do not perform ECN verification. It requires a single state variable, and likely one per packet status boolean (wasReordered) to use during processing. This I think got removed for more shorter and "elegant" text. That way all these reording things goes away. Without the reordering the ECN counters will never go backwards, even if an ACK, only ACKs what was an gap in what been acked so far. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2198#issuecomment-447836873 ----==_mimepart_5c179d50468bf_2adc3fe3c86d45c01226f0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Maybe we need to bring back my proposed text to actually look that the= PN of the packet containing the ACK frame is the highest received so far= , else do not perform ECN verification. It requires a single state variab= le, and likely one per packet status boolean (wasReordered) to use during= processing.
This I think got removed for more shorter and "elegant" text. That way al= l these reording things goes away. Without the reordering the ECN counter= s will never go backwards, even if an ACK, only ACKs what was an gap in w= hat been acked so far.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3031,33 +3031,28 @@ an ACK frame without ECN feedback, the endpoint stops setting ECT codepoints in
 subsequent IP packets, with the expectation that either the network path or the
 peer no longer supports ECN.
 
-To reduce the risk of non-standard compliant ECN markings affecting the
-operation of an endpoint, an endpoint verifies the counts it receives when it
-receives new acknowledgements:
+Network devices that corrupt or apply non-standard ECN markings might result in
+reduced throughput or other undesirable side-effects.  To reduce this risk, an
+endpoint uses the following steps to verify the counts it receives in an ACK
+frame.  Note that the counts MUST NOT be verified if the ACK frame does not

To avoid all issues let us check so that the ACK frames are not reordered. For example rewrite this check to: "Counts MUST NOT be verified if the ACK frame arrived in an QUIC packet whose packet number is not the highest received so far."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-* The increase in ECT(0) and ECT(1) counters MUST be at least the number of QUIC
-  packets newly acknowledged that were sent with the corresponding codepoint
-  minus the increase in the CE counter. This detects network remarking between
-  ECT(0) and ECT(1).
-
-* The total increase in ECT(0), ECT(1), and CE counters reported in the ACK
-  frame MUST be at least the total number of QUIC packets newly acknowledged in
-  this ACK frame. This detects if the network changes ECT(0), ECT(1) or CE to
+* The total increase in ECT(0), ECT(1), and CE counts MUST be no smaller than
+  the total number of QUIC packets newly acknowledged in this ACK frame.  This

I suggest that you add the below (new after "frame").
"... in this ACK frame that was marked as ECT."
The reasons is that if a sender for some reason don't mark all packets, which is not required they need to check what was sent.

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----==_mimepart_5c17a031750e1_3b8e3f97d26d45bc180852-- From nobody Mon Dec 17 05:26:56 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B04D12872C for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2018 05:26:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.459 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.459 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0q_ZeUU_QFSZ for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2018 05:26:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8E5661286E7 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2018 05:26:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 05:26:52 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1545053212; bh=np0wq9h4zZwLUfXd3PGuF8nLbTVff8YhrI6DdtMqvcY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=fOlFQ4JFCwyI6NOBjblYrdlH1IBLuaBzwPe8wc+gfoxEGtu7cS78S9E0draRmwfld K1fSOJC196czjo0B8x5z9/V3b1aO+oKIBukPrld5REq8VHJKHz/+VWsZ0QVtR0ztLg 0wheSqd6beYFjVCGTw9yXHoYN3dnZdyMIAFu90Lc= From: Magnus Westerlund Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Do not allow ICMP PTB to increase PMTU (#2161) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c17a41caa015_313c3fe8280d45bc317846"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gloinul X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 13:26:55 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c17a41caa015_313c3fe8280d45bc317846 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think that text is basically fine. What isn't that clear is this section's normative language interactions with the next section that discusses DPLPMTUD. I really think it should be clear her that 1. If you do something basic follow these things. 2. If you want to do something that can provide some benefits but also create more complexities then follow this specficiation [DPLPMTUD], and in case there are inconsistencies with the text for 1) then 2) overrides such limiations. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2161#issuecomment-447844777 ----==_mimepart_5c17a41caa015_313c3fe8280d45bc317846 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think that text is basically fine.

What isn't that clear is this section's normative language interaction= s with the next section that discusses DPLPMTUD. I really think it should= be clear her that

  1. If you do something basic follow these things.
  2. If you want to do something that can provide some benefits but also c= reate more complexities then follow this specficiation [DPLPMTUD], and in= case there are inconsistencies with the text for 1) then 2) overrides su= ch limiations.

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I'm a bit worried we're subtly missing an important case we want to catch. > -the size of bursts sent into the network, the behavior when restarting from -idle depends upon whether pacing is used. - -If the sender uses pacing, the connection should limit the initial burst of -packets to no more than the initial congestion window and subsequent packets -SHOULD be paced. The congestion window does not change while the connection -is idle. - -A sender that does not use pacing SHOULD reset its congestion window to the -minimum of the current congestion window and the initial congestion window. -This recommendation is based on Section 4.1 of {{?RFC5681}}. +## Sending data after an idle period + +A sender is considered idle if it has no bytes in flight and no pending +ack-eliciting data to send. A sender can become idle when it is application +limited or when it encounters a retransmission timeout. Probe timeout? Also, we want the case after a PTO to be considered idle, correct? But one may have data to send, so this text doesn't catch that. > -minimum of the current congestion window and the initial congestion window. -This recommendation is based on Section 4.1 of {{?RFC5681}}. +## Sending data after an idle period + +A sender is considered idle if it has no bytes in flight and no pending +ack-eliciting data to send. A sender can become idle when it is application +limited or when it encounters a retransmission timeout. + +A sender's congestion window MUST not increase while it is idle. + +When a sender starts sending data after an idle period, it's sending rate SHOULD +be decided as follows. + + - If the sender uses pacing, it does not need to reduce its congestion + window. It SHOULD however pace the congestion window and MAY allow an + initial burst no larger than the initial congestion window. How about "It MAY allow an initial burst as large as the initial congestion window and MUST pace out the rest of the congestion window." > +A sender is considered idle if it has no bytes in flight and no pending +ack-eliciting data to send. A sender can become idle when it is application +limited or when it encounters a retransmission timeout. + +A sender's congestion window MUST not increase while it is idle. + +When a sender starts sending data after an idle period, it's sending rate SHOULD +be decided as follows. + + - If the sender uses pacing, it does not need to reduce its congestion + window. It SHOULD however pace the congestion window and MAY allow an + initial burst no larger than the initial congestion window. + + - If the sender does not use pacing, it SHOULD reset its congestion window to + the smaller of the current congestion window and the initial congestion + window, as recommended for TCP (see Section 4.1 of {{?RFC5681}}). 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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

I'm a bit worried we're subtly missing an important case we want to catch.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -the size of bursts sent into the network, the behavior when restarting from
-idle depends upon whether pacing is used.
-
-If the sender uses pacing, the connection should limit the initial burst of
-packets to no more than the initial congestion window and subsequent packets
-SHOULD be paced. The congestion window does not change while the connection
-is idle.
-
-A sender that does not use pacing SHOULD reset its congestion window to the
-minimum of the current congestion window and the initial congestion window.
-This recommendation is based on Section 4.1 of {{?RFC5681}}.
+## Sending data after an idle period
+
+A sender is considered idle if it has no bytes in flight and no pending
+ack-eliciting data to send.  A sender can become idle when it is application
+limited or when it encounters a retransmission timeout.

Probe timeout? Also, we want the case after a PTO to be considered idle, correct? But one may have data to send, so this text doesn't catch that.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -minimum of the current congestion window and the initial congestion window.
-This recommendation is based on Section 4.1 of {{?RFC5681}}.
+## Sending data after an idle period
+
+A sender is considered idle if it has no bytes in flight and no pending
+ack-eliciting data to send.  A sender can become idle when it is application
+limited or when it encounters a retransmission timeout.
+
+A sender's congestion window MUST not increase while it is idle.
+
+When a sender starts sending data after an idle period, it's sending rate SHOULD
+be decided as follows.
+
+  - If the sender uses pacing, it does not need to reduce its congestion
+    window. It SHOULD however pace the congestion window and MAY allow an
+    initial burst no larger than the initial congestion window.

How about "It MAY allow an initial burst as large as the initial congestion window and MUST pace out the rest of the congestion window."

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +A sender is considered idle if it has no bytes in flight and no pending
+ack-eliciting data to send.  A sender can become idle when it is application
+limited or when it encounters a retransmission timeout.
+
+A sender's congestion window MUST not increase while it is idle.
+
+When a sender starts sending data after an idle period, it's sending rate SHOULD
+be decided as follows.
+
+  - If the sender uses pacing, it does not need to reduce its congestion
+    window. It SHOULD however pace the congestion window and MAY allow an
+    initial burst no larger than the initial congestion window.
+
+  - If the sender does not use pacing, it SHOULD reset its congestion window to
+    the smaller of the current congestion window and the initial congestion
+    window, as recommended for TCP (see Section 4.1 of {{?RFC5681}}).

Pacing is the answer.

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That's what I remember us arriving at before. But I'm happy to have it explicitly stated if it's not.

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@mikkelfj commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -minimum of the current congestion window and the initial congestion window.
-This recommendation is based on Section 4.1 of {{?RFC5681}}.
+## Sending data after an idle period
+
+A sender is considered idle if it has no bytes in flight and no pending
+ack-eliciting data to send.  A sender can become idle when it is application
+limited or when it encounters a retransmission timeout.
+
+A sender's congestion window MUST not increase while it is idle.
+
+When a sender starts sending data after an idle period, it's sending rate SHOULD
+be decided as follows.
+
+  - If the sender uses pacing, it does not need to reduce its congestion
+    window. It SHOULD however pace the congestion window and MAY allow an
+    initial burst no larger than the initial congestion window.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not sure this is necessary, but I've had at least 2 people be unsure about whether a packet is still in flight if all the stream data in it is cancelled, so maybe it's worth stating this explicitly? 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I'm not sure this is necessary, but I've had at least 2 people be unsure about whether a packet is still in flight if all the stream data in it is cancelled, so maybe it's worth stating this explicitly?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +A sender is considered idle if it has no bytes in flight and no pending
+ack-eliciting data to send.  A sender can become idle when it is application
+limited or when it encounters a retransmission timeout.
+
+A sender's congestion window MUST not increase while it is idle.
+
+When a sender starts sending data after an idle period, it's sending rate SHOULD
+be decided as follows.
+
+  - If the sender uses pacing, it does not need to reduce its congestion
+    window. It SHOULD however pace the congestion window and MAY allow an
+    initial burst no larger than the initial congestion window.
+
+  - If the sender does not use pacing, it SHOULD reset its congestion window to
+    the smaller of the current congestion window and the initial congestion
+    window, as recommended for TCP (see Section 4.1 of {{?RFC5681}}).

There is a degenerate case where traffic arrives in blocks just under init cwnd at a high rate. The application can then burst at a high frequency.

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There is text that you should include any timer delays in the max ack = delay when we define the transport param in the transport doc, but not el= sewhere:
"This value SHOULD include the receiver's expected delays in alarms firin= g. For example, if a receiver sets a timer for 5ms and alarms commonly fi= re up to 1ms late, then it should send a max_ack_delay of 6ms. If this va= lue is absent, a default of 25 milliseconds is assumed."

Ideally I'd like to ensure specifying a max ack delay of 0 degrades to= suboptimal, but reasonable behavior. That's one of the reasons we limit= ed the adjustment of RTT by max_ack_delay.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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Somewhat related, editorially. Jana was going to move the ack sending= text from recovery into transport, because now it's split between two sp= ots and there's already at least one inconsistency.

The text about max_ack_delay is currently in 3 spots from what I can t= ell, so maybe it'd be nice to unify that as well?

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= ----==_mimepart_5c17d5611063e_2f793fa829ad45c44220d1-- From nobody Mon Dec 17 09:46:04 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B1E7130F0E for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2018 09:45:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.459 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.459 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TqDXeHXN7RdB for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2018 09:45:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 42790130EFA for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2018 09:45:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 09:45:44 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1545068744; bh=orD9EoeiF+CBzwo58U8DzU1lOxhzQPJLb+YCEKDpvRY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=FBX7AsO9123u4b6fBg4tMdMKuhp+mmRyg6wSg8nH9YPcH0eEccIbfBbfhRjvMtDJm 1wa6NdJI/ejLOPlh30VR7gw5mWB6/THznPaVH4XQapiQ9rl05B9gyJpy6jWUp717hS ojE83jc03Jq4eyZI1gLseGlFfFnRKXjlClnRN+FE= From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make the ECN requirements match the the discussion in #2156. Fixes #2156 (#2201) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c17e0c821ca9_436c3fdaaf2d45b417385b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 17:46:02 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c17e0c821ca9_436c3fdaaf2d45b417385b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1. Implementations are free to enable sending or not. 2, Implementations MAY read the ECN code points if they can and send ECN ACKs. 3. Implementations MUST accept the 0x03 ACK type and if they are sending ECN SHOULD use the ECN section. I recognize that some people want to have stronger language here, based on this discussion I think this is where we are. I'll defer to the chairs to judge whether more is needed here and can change the PR as required. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2201 -- Commit Summary -- * Make the ECN requirements match the the discussion in #2156. Fixes #2156 -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (28) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2201.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2201.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2201 ----==_mimepart_5c17e0c821ca9_436c3fdaaf2d45b417385b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
  1. Implementations are free to enable sending or not.
    2, Implementations MAY read the ECN code points if they
    can and send ECN ACKs.
  2. Implementations MUST accept the 0x03 ACK type and if they are
    sending ECN SHOULD use the ECN section.

I recognize that some people want to have stronger language here, based
on this discussion I think this is where we are. I'll defer to the
chairs to judge whether more is needed here and can change the PR as
required.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2201

Commit Summary

  • Make the ECN requirements match the the discussion in #2156. Fixes #2156

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -102,7 +102,8 @@ In-flight:
 
 : Packets are considered in-flight when they have been sent
   and neither acknowledged nor declared lost, and they are not
-  ACK-only.
+  ACK-only.  Packets are still considered in-flight even if
+  their payloads no longer need to be delivered.

I'm confused about what you're trying to add here?

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@ianswett approved this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -716,6 +717,9 @@ Pseudocode for OnAckReceived and UpdateRtt follow:
 
 ~~~
   OnAckReceived(ack):
+    largest_acked_packet = max(largest_acked_packet,

I think this accurately describes the text we have, but I think we should add some text that you MAY use the largest acked from the most recent ACK, which could reduce spurious retransmits when one packet arrives far out of order?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -716,6 +717,9 @@ Pseudocode for OnAckReceived and UpdateRtt follow:
 
 ~~~
   OnAckReceived(ack):
+    largest_acked_packet = max(largest_acked_packet,

To clarify, I'm ok doing this in a follow up PR.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -102,7 +102,8 @@ In-flight:
 
 : Packets are considered in-flight when they have been sent
   and neither acknowledged nor declared lost, and they are not
-  ACK-only.
+  ACK-only.  Packets are still considered in-flight even if
+  their payloads no longer need to be delivered.

Maybe I got the in-flight concept wrong, but in order to make the definition significant, there must be a reason for it, otherwise it is just semantics. I.e. why does it matter whether.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -102,7 +102,8 @@ In-flight:
 
 : Packets are considered in-flight when they have been sent
   and neither acknowledged nor declared lost, and they are not
-  ACK-only.
+  ACK-only.  Packets are still considered in-flight even if
+  their payloads no longer need to be delivered.

In-flight packets count towards bytes in flight, which is defined in the pseudocode section, but we could move that definition up here if it's helpful.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1108,16 +1108,12 @@ updated keys, it indicates that its peer has updated keys twice without awaiting
 a reciprocal update.  An endpoint MUST treat consecutive key updates as a fatal
 error and abort the connection.
 
-An endpoint SHOULD retain old keys for a short period to allow it to decrypt
-packets with smaller packet numbers than the packet that triggered the key
-update.  This allows an endpoint to consume packets that are reordered around
-the transition between keys.  Packets with higher packet numbers always use the
-updated keys and MUST NOT be decrypted with old keys.
-
-Keys and their corresponding secrets SHOULD be discarded when an endpoint has
-received all packets with packet numbers lower than the lowest packet number
-used for the new key.  An endpoint might discard keys if it determines that the
-length of the delay to affected packets is excessive.
+An endpoint SHOULD retain old keys for a period of no more than three times the
+Retransmitions Timeout (RTO, see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}).  After this period, old

It's now Probe Timeouts, aka PTO.

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Handshake and Retry have the same type number in the text; assuming the table is correct, this aligns the text with the table.

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  • Fix Handshake's type number

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Trying to fix one thing wound up pulling on some other pieces as well, so this is larger than I intended. Key changes are: - Added discussion of 0-RTT Protected Packets, which were mysteriously absent, to Section 17 - Moved discussion of starting packet numbers for each space from the Initial Packet definition to the existing Packet Numbers section (17.1) - Moved Short Header packets to end of 17 (from 17.3 to 17.8) to get all the long-header packet types together - Removed the non-invariant fields (Length, Packet Number, Payload) from the definition of the Long Header and made them type-specific fields for those packets which contain them; this reduces explanation for packet types which don't - Reordered forward references in Section 10 so the references in each paragraph are to sequential sections, with some text updates to accommodate the new order If a comparison of the output doc is more useful than the Markdown diff, try [the output diff](https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=https://quicwg.github.io/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.txt&url2=https://quicwg.github.io/base-drafts/transport/packet-types/draft-ietf-quic-transport.txt) or the [resulting document](https://quicwg.github.io/base-drafts/transport/packet-types/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html). 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Fixes #2165, #2157, and probably some others as well. Trying to fix one thing = wound up pulling on some other pieces as well, so this is larger than I i= ntended.

Key changes are:

  • Added discussion of 0-RTT Protected Packets, which were mysteriously = absent, to Section 17
  • Moved discussion of starting packet numbers for each space from the I= nitial Packet definition to the existing Packet Numbers section (17.1)
  • Moved Short Header packets to end of 17 (from 17.3 to 17.8) to get al= l the long-header packet types together
  • Removed the non-invariant fields (Length, Packet Number, Payload) fro= m the definition of the Long Header and made them type-specific fields fo= r those packets which contain them; this reduces explanation for packet t= ypes which don't
  • Reordered forward references in Section 10 so the references in each = paragraph are to sequential sections, with some text updates to accommoda= te the new order

If a comparison of the output doc is more useful than the Markdown dif= f, try the output diff or the resulting document.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2203

Commit Summary

  • Move packet number discussion
  • Rearrange Section 17
  • Update Section 12
  • Version negotiation doesn't "appear to" use the long = header, it actually does

File Changes

Patch Links:

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -the size of bursts sent into the network, the behavior when restarting from
-idle depends upon whether pacing is used.
-
-If the sender uses pacing, the connection should limit the initial burst of
-packets to no more than the initial congestion window and subsequent packets
-SHOULD be paced. The congestion window does not change while the connection
-is idle.
-
-A sender that does not use pacing SHOULD reset its congestion window to the
-minimum of the current congestion window and the initial congestion window.
-This recommendation is based on Section 4.1 of {{?RFC5681}}.
+## Sending data after an idle period
+
+A sender is considered idle if it has no bytes in flight and no pending
+ack-eliciting data to send.  A sender can become idle when it is application
+limited or when it encounters a retransmission timeout.

I've replaced retransmission with probe.
Actually I think this entire second point is wrong now. A sender does not become idle on a PTO, it might become idle once loss is established, when an ACK is received.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -the size of bursts sent into the network, the behavior when restarting from
-idle depends upon whether pacing is used.
-
-If the sender uses pacing, the connection should limit the initial burst of
-packets to no more than the initial congestion window and subsequent packets
-SHOULD be paced. The congestion window does not change while the connection
-is idle.
-
-A sender that does not use pacing SHOULD reset its congestion window to the
-minimum of the current congestion window and the initial congestion window.
-This recommendation is based on Section 4.1 of {{?RFC5681}}.
+## Sending data after an idle period
+
+A sender is considered idle if it has no bytes in flight and no pending
+ack-eliciting data to send.  A sender can become idle when it is application
+limited or when it encounters a retransmission timeout.

Also, idle is when there's nothing in flight. I don't think we need the "pending data to send" bit.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +A sender is considered idle if it has no bytes in flight and no pending
+ack-eliciting data to send.  A sender can become idle when it is application
+limited or when it encounters a retransmission timeout.
+
+A sender's congestion window MUST not increase while it is idle.
+
+When a sender starts sending data after an idle period, it's sending rate SHOULD
+be decided as follows.
+
+  - If the sender uses pacing, it does not need to reduce its congestion
+    window. It SHOULD however pace the congestion window and MAY allow an
+    initial burst no larger than the initial congestion window.
+
+  - If the sender does not use pacing, it SHOULD reset its congestion window to
+    the smaller of the current congestion window and the initial congestion
+    window, as recommended for TCP (see Section 4.1 of {{?RFC5681}}).

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Ok, comments incorporated. I like @martinthomson's text, so I'm using that.

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This looks better, but I'm still a bit confused about the post-PTO case > -application limited or after a probe timeout. In order to limit -the size of bursts sent into the network, the behavior when restarting from -idle depends upon whether pacing is used. - -If the sender uses pacing, the connection should limit the initial burst of -packets to no more than the initial congestion window and subsequent packets -SHOULD be paced. The congestion window does not change while the connection -is idle. - -A sender that does not use pacing SHOULD reset its congestion window to the -minimum of the current congestion window and the initial congestion window. -This recommendation is based on Section 4.1 of {{?RFC5681}}. + +## Sending data after an idle period + +A sender is considered idle if it has no bytes in flight. A sender can become ```suggestion A sender is idle if it has no bytes in flight. A sender can become ``` > -idle depends upon whether pacing is used. - -If the sender uses pacing, the connection should limit the initial burst of -packets to no more than the initial congestion window and subsequent packets -SHOULD be paced. The congestion window does not change while the connection -is idle. - -A sender that does not use pacing SHOULD reset its congestion window to the -minimum of the current congestion window and the initial congestion window. -This recommendation is based on Section 4.1 of {{?RFC5681}}. + +## Sending data after an idle period + +A sender is considered idle if it has no bytes in flight. A sender can become +idle when it is application limited and has no data to send, or when it marks +packets as lost (and therefore not in flight). Is this aiming at the PTO case? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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This looks better, but I'm still a bit confused about the post-PTO case<= /p>

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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Is this aiming at the PTO case?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3031,33 +3031,28 @@ an ACK frame without ECN feedback, the endpoint stops setting ECT codepoints in
 subsequent IP packets, with the expectation that either the network path or the
 peer no longer supports ECN.
 
-To reduce the risk of non-standard compliant ECN markings affecting the
-operation of an endpoint, an endpoint verifies the counts it receives when it
-receives new acknowledgements:
+Network devices that corrupt or apply non-standard ECN markings might result in
+reduced throughput or other undesirable side-effects.  To reduce this risk, an
+endpoint uses the following steps to verify the counts it receives in an ACK
+frame.  Note that the counts MUST NOT be verified if the ACK frame does not

Creating any coupling between frames and packets will be annoying. We've resisted attempts to do that in the past.

There are two conditions necessary: first that counters never decrease when put in packets with higher numbers, second: that no check is performed if the packet number is lower. I don't think that we have the first condition either (though it is strongly implied, we don't insist upon it for other frame types).

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@martinthomson approved this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3014,11 +3016,11 @@ the 1-RTT packet number space will be increased by two.
 
 Each endpoint independently verifies and enables use of ECN by setting the IP
 header ECN codepoint to ECN Capable Transport (ECT) for the path from it to the
-other peer. Even if ECN is not used on the path to the peer, the endpoint MUST
-provide feedback about ECN markings received (if accessible).
+other peer. Even if not setting ECN codepoints on packets it transmits, the
+endpoint MAY provide feedback about ECN markings received (if accessible).

SHOULD?

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Packets are declared lost after RTT*9/8 or thereabouts, so that would = be fine. I was more generous in my proposal; going with the same timer w= e use for other key discards (3RTO). That is far more than necessary, bu= t there's no real cost in holding old keys over that sort of period.

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I'm not sure that this is necessary or even helpful. If we accept that information is what is repaired, rather than packets or frames, then we don't need to concern ourselves with this clarification. To that end, packets are disposable, just as frames are. What matters here is that packets are neither lost nor acknowledged, which the existing text covers nicely.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1108,16 +1108,12 @@ updated keys, it indicates that its peer has updated keys twice without awaiting
 a reciprocal update.  An endpoint MUST treat consecutive key updates as a fatal
 error and abort the connection.
 
-An endpoint SHOULD retain old keys for a short period to allow it to decrypt
-packets with smaller packet numbers than the packet that triggered the key
-update.  This allows an endpoint to consume packets that are reordered around
-the transition between keys.  Packets with higher packet numbers always use the
-updated keys and MUST NOT be decrypted with old keys.
-
-Keys and their corresponding secrets SHOULD be discarded when an endpoint has
-received all packets with packet numbers lower than the lowest packet number
-used for the new key.  An endpoint might discard keys if it determines that the
-length of the delay to affected packets is excessive.
+An endpoint SHOULD retain old keys for a period of no more than three times the
+Retransmitions Timeout (RTO, see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}).  After this period, old

Missed a few then.

1789:Retransmittion Timeout (RTO) as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}} is RECOMMENDED.
2182:(RTO) interval as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.
2253:draining state before the packets arrive.  If a peer could timeout within an RTO

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  • Editorial
  • Remove extra text about handling invalid CANCEL_PUSH frames.
  • Apparently we don't like em-dash
  • Move settings frame description upward for greater clarity
  • Clarify the general rule about deciding errors and then remove the
  • Clean up some errors and redundancy
  • Remove more redundancy
  • More editorial
  • Self review

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Everything looks good besides the one comment/question I had on the starting packet number.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2658,7 +2663,7 @@ level and can only be acknowledged in Handshake packets.
 
 This enforces cryptographic separation between the data sent in the different
 packet sequence number spaces.  Each packet number space starts at packet number
-0.  Subsequent packets sent in the same packet number space MUST increase the
+1.  Subsequent packets sent in the same packet number space MUST increase the

Why was this changed from 0 to 1? Other places in the text still say packet numbers start at 0.

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

LG, minus one MAY/SHOULD

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3014,11 +3016,11 @@ the 1-RTT packet number space will be increased by two.
 
 Each endpoint independently verifies and enables use of ECN by setting the IP
 header ECN codepoint to ECN Capable Transport (ECT) for the path from it to the
-other peer. Even if ECN is not used on the path to the peer, the endpoint MUST
-provide feedback about ECN markings received (if accessible).
+other peer. Even if not setting ECN codepoints on packets it transmits, the
+endpoint MAY provide feedback about ECN markings received (if accessible).

SHOULD SGTM.

Also, can you remove the parens around if accessible?

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  • 06b688b undo some of the reshuffling
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  • 585d8e1 Rearrange paragraphs.
  • 01e0221 Rearrange sentences.
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I just swapped the Eviction section with the Maximum Table Size one. Th= is makes sense because eviction talks about maximum table size (soon to be = renamed table capacity or something similar), so it should come first, then= Maximum Table Size talks about the limit on this value.

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I added a bunch of commits to this PR: I revert the original change, the= n cherry-pick all four commits from #2134, and add a final commit, titl= ed "Use and clarify dynamic table capacity.", that implements the terminolo= gy proposed at #2115 (comment).

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> -requests or responses are first permitted to be sent. For clients using 0-RTT
-data in HTTP/3, the table size is the remembered value of the setting, even if
-the server later specifies a larger maximum in its SETTINGS frame.  For HTTP/3
-servers and HTTP/3 clients when 0-RTT is not attempted or is rejected, the
-initial maximum table size is the value of the setting in the peer's SETTINGS
-frame.
+The initial dynamic table capacity is the value of the maximum dynamic table
+capacity when HTTP requests or responses are first permitted to be sent.  For
+HTTP/3 servers and HTTP/3 clients when 0-RTT is not attempted or is rejected,
+the initial maximum table capacity is zero.  For clients using 0-RTT data in
+HTTP/3, the initial table capacity is the remembered value of the setting, even
+if the server later specifies a different maximum dynamic table capacity in its
+SETTINGS frame.  It is not an error for the SETTINGS frame to contain a
+SETTINGS_MAXIMUM_DYNAMIC_TABLE_CAPACITY value lower than the initial table
+capacity on a 0-RTT connection; the maximum dynamic table capacity only limits
+subsequent table capacity changes.  However, if an endpoint receives a

This is so that a decoder can request reduction of maximum dynamic table capacity on a new connection.

There are other, much simpler options:

  1. Ban an endpoint from sending a SETTINGS_MAXIMUM_DYNAMIC_TABLE_CAPACITY value on a 0-RTT connection that is smaller than the remembered value.
  2. Have the maximum table capacity always default to 0, even on a 0-RTT connection, until the SETTINGS frame is received.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  
-The initial maximum size is determined by the corresponding setting when HTTP
-requests or responses are first permitted to be sent. For clients using 0-RTT
-data in HTTP/3, the table size is the remembered value of the setting, even if
-the server later specifies a larger maximum in its SETTINGS frame.  For HTTP/3
-servers and HTTP/3 clients when 0-RTT is not attempted or is rejected, the
-initial maximum table size is the value of the setting in the peer's SETTINGS
-frame.
+The initial dynamic table capacity is the value of the maximum dynamic table
+capacity when HTTP requests or responses are first permitted to be sent.  For
+HTTP/3 servers and HTTP/3 clients when 0-RTT is not attempted or is rejected,
+the initial maximum table capacity is zero.  For clients using 0-RTT data in

I have changed the initial maximum table capacity to zero in the spirit of #2038, because that is what's consistent with the first sentence. And endpoint is allowed to send HTTP requests and responses before receiving the peer's SETTINGS frame.

Another option is to scratch the first sentence, and describe that an endpoint cannot use the dynamic table until the SETTINGS frame is received, however, at that point the dynamic table capacity is changed to the value of SETTINGS_MAXIMUM_DYNAMIC_TABLE_CAPACITY.

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----==_mimepart_5c191e23b76cc_2b9b3f8ab8ad45bc261d4-- From nobody Tue Dec 18 08:28:05 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0064C130F14 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 08:28:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.059 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.059 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FROM_EXCESS_BASE64=0.105, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kYm9hZTeGIRQ for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 08:28:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-16.smtp.github.com (out-16.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EE0E0130F0B for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 08:28:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 08:28:01 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1545150481; bh=YjCTYNt50U1yMjWa19PRCamJJTGIeD7iUF27yerYfB8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=zZQ73WNLWMeJRBbv71LwHwncfrOGKv6lzTuLLaxPNY/JqiMWyjVh9tn/skamfIQ9u 73tW5Vo2kLZGCnL42dStnTAv+FQQo9CP4+6WchdsyMt4U/E4QDa3MJ2Vuwr4sV5OS2 aYXvDGniv37SkygevbmkwYZTbMbPRxBDT1fGMeXs= From: =?UTF-8?B?QmVuY2UgQsOpa3k=?= Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clean up text on Maximum Table Size. (#2115) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c1920112a68_1db13f875aad45b418482b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: bencebeky X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 16:28:04 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c1920112a68_1db13f875aad45b418482b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit bencebeky commented on this pull request. > @@ -768,9 +781,7 @@ end of a stream, it generates a Stream Cancellation instruction on the decoder stream. Similarly, when an endpoint abandons reading of a stream it needs to signal this using the Stream Cancellation instruction. This signals to the encoder that all references to the dynamic table on that stream are no longer -outstanding. A decoder with a maximum dynamic table size equal to zero (see I think there is a race here for 0-RTT connections. Assume the remembered value for SETTINGS_MAXIMUM_DYNAMIC_TABLE_CAPACITY is non-zero. An endpoint can send a SETTINGS frame with zero SETTINGS_MAXIMUM_DYNAMIC_TABLE_CAPACITY, then send a request and cancel it. Since the decoder's maximum dynamic table capacity is zero, it does not have to send a Stream Cancellation. However, the peer might receive the request and send a response using the remembered value of SETTINGS_MAXIMUM_DYNAMIC_TABLE_CAPACITY, inserting entries to the dynamic table. Those references will never be cleared. This isssue is intertwined with the one above on the initial value of maximum table capacity on 0-RTT connections. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2115#pullrequestreview-186160080 ----==_mimepart_5c1920112a68_1db13f875aad45b418482b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -768,9 +781,7 @@ end of a stream, it generates a Stream Cancellation instruction on the decoder
 stream.  Similarly, when an endpoint abandons reading of a stream it needs to
 signal this using the Stream Cancellation instruction.  This signals to the
 encoder that all references to the dynamic table on that stream are no longer
-outstanding.  A decoder with a maximum dynamic table size equal to zero (see

I think there is a race here for 0-RTT connections. Assume the remembered value for SETTINGS_MAXIMUM_DYNAMIC_TABLE_CAPACITY is non-zero. An endpoint can send a SETTINGS frame with zero SETTINGS_MAXIMUM_DYNAMIC_TABLE_CAPACITY, then send a request and cancel it. Since the decoder's maximum dynamic table capacity is zero, it does not have to send a Stream Cancellation. However, the peer might receive the request and send a response using the remembered value of SETTINGS_MAXIMUM_DYNAMIC_TABLE_CAPACITY, inserting entries to the dynamic table. Those references will never be cleared.

This isssue is intertwined with the one above on the initial value of maximum table capacity on 0-RTT connections.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> -requests or responses are first permitted to be sent. For clients using 0-RTT
-data in HTTP/3, the table size is the remembered value of the setting, even if
-the server later specifies a larger maximum in its SETTINGS frame.  For HTTP/3
-servers and HTTP/3 clients when 0-RTT is not attempted or is rejected, the
-initial maximum table size is the value of the setting in the peer's SETTINGS
-frame.
+The initial dynamic table capacity is the value of the maximum dynamic table
+capacity when HTTP requests or responses are first permitted to be sent.  For
+HTTP/3 servers and HTTP/3 clients when 0-RTT is not attempted or is rejected,
+the initial maximum table capacity is zero.  For clients using 0-RTT data in
+HTTP/3, the initial table capacity is the remembered value of the setting, even
+if the server later specifies a different maximum dynamic table capacity in its
+SETTINGS frame.  It is not an error for the SETTINGS frame to contain a
+SETTINGS_MAXIMUM_DYNAMIC_TABLE_CAPACITY value lower than the initial table
+capacity on a 0-RTT connection; the maximum dynamic table capacity only limits
+subsequent table capacity changes.  However, if an endpoint receives a

This also affects whether stream cancellations can be optional, see below.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -716,6 +717,9 @@ Pseudocode for OnAckReceived and UpdateRtt follow:
 
 ~~~
   OnAckReceived(ack):
+    largest_acked_packet = max(largest_acked_packet,

you MAY use the largest acked from the most recent ACK, which could reduce spurious retransmits when one packet arrives far out of order

Any reason not to make this the sole recommendation? I had some trouble coming up with a case where that might occur, which is why I didn't take that route originally, but I think I see it now: when a reordered ACK newly acknowledges a packet such that the newly acknowledged packet is > ack.largest_acked - kPacketThreshold, but <= largest_acked_packet - kPacketThreshold.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -716,6 +717,9 @@ Pseudocode for OnAckReceived and UpdateRtt follow:
 
 ~~~
   OnAckReceived(ack):
+    largest_acked_packet = max(largest_acked_packet,

Er, wait, that's nonsense. Still having trouble seeing the case.

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What if we let the memory constrained implementation prevent the creation of the encoder/decoder streams by limiting the number of peer initiated unidirectional streams, rather than requiring lazy creation?

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That would rule out push promises.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2658,7 +2663,7 @@ level and can only be acknowledged in Handshake packets.
 
 This enforces cryptographic separation between the data sent in the different
 packet sequence number spaces.  Each packet number space starts at packet number
-0.  Subsequent packets sent in the same packet number space MUST increase the
+1.  Subsequent packets sent in the same packet number space MUST increase the

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2602,10 +2600,17 @@ each packet sent, see {{packet-numbers}} for details.
 
 ## Coalescing Packets {#packet-coalesce}
 
-A sender can coalesce multiple QUIC packets into one UDP datagram.  This can
-reduce the number of UDP datagrams needed to complete the cryptographic
-handshake and starting sending data.  Receivers MUST be able to process
-coalesced packets.
+Initial ({{packet-initial}}), 0-RTT Protected ({{packet-0rtt}}), and Handshake
+({{packet-handshake}}) packets contain a Length field, which determines the end
+of the packet.  The Length field covers both the Packet Number and Payload
+fields, both of which are confidentiality protected and initially of unknown
+length. The length of the Payload field is learned once header protection is
+removed.
+
+Using the Length field, a sender can coalesce multiple QUIC packets into one UDP
+datagram.  This can reduce the number of UDP datagrams needed to complete the
+cryptographic handshake and starting sending data.  Receivers MUST be able to
+process coalesced packets.
 
 Coalescing packets in order of increasing encryption levels (Initial, 0-RTT,
 Handshake, 1-RTT) makes it more likely the receiver will be able to process all

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----==_mimepart_5c19695d4519b_79c53fcf8fad45b4119799-- From nobody Tue Dec 18 13:41:14 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F01B3130F1D for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 13:41:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.065 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.065 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f3zMBWJRW8Rt for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 13:41:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E0F8130F19 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 13:41:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=1kP4P+2OQCdBVwR3/75MJtOtgqs=; b=hfNlVdgM8HARdUsu zR0Co3MhugWIVXQciLgCoSh50bFpImBH3+QlnTqhUcwFjMRVkoE2UnNW6FH5TO49 b7A8HOA4dfW3vRCvjUlRxrB/iqC8JlEtUAG5Ku7uo/9V/0fQKEA+vE6zJxMyceIU 3Lpy3XCVW3D65nRygWl4s1xM5vM= Received: by filter1867p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1867p1mdw1-20413-5C196972-34 2018-12-18 21:41:06.73401845 +0000 UTC m=+437072.956737889 Received: from github-lowworker-dcc078e.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.44]) by ismtpd0040p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id mMDN2voBQcyhawYb3rstpQ for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 21:41:06.697 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-dcc078e.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C2CC2C003E for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 13:41:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 21:41:06 +0000 (UTC) From: afrind Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Use "Insert Count" rather than "Largest Reference" (#2111) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c1969728a7f5_170d3fe80d4d45c4117850"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: afrind X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1N6ktBXB+SNW5DcNhJQ0lTOqYZsXIOBp8u2g Ugpu3cr+cF3tiqFGUII1UMYCta5uOzMM/FpekfpYtHlxEaREn23wOYPspW6wvcK3rfFlhkIw37P/70 kUcOonZh5ubB1YU8aC+hvV6PdYa9FQNJzLKrtxkfvMq/WKd5AIEPpXP8MQ== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 21:41:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c1969728a7f5_170d3fe80d4d45c4117850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit afrind commented on this pull request. I'm not really sure that Largest Reference was so unclear or that this provides substantially more clarity. Interested to hear what other think as well. > @@ -249,18 +250,19 @@ Because QUIC does not guarantee order between data on different streams, a header block might reference an entry in the dynamic table that has not yet been received. -Each header block contains a Largest Reference ({{header-prefix}}) which -identifies the table state necessary for decoding. If the greatest absolute -index in the dynamic table is less than the value of the Largest Reference, the -stream is considered "blocked." While blocked, header field data SHOULD remain -in the blocked stream's flow control window. When the Largest Reference is -zero, the frame contains no references to the dynamic table and can always be -processed immediately. A stream becomes unblocked when the greatest absolute -index in the dynamic table becomes greater than or equal to the Largest -Reference for all header blocks the decoder has started reading from the stream. -If the decoder encounters a header block where the actual largest reference is -not equal to the Largest Reference declared in the prefix, it MAY treat this as -a stream error of type HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED. +Each header block contains the total number of entries added to the dynamic +table - the Insert Count - which identifies the table state necessary for +decoding (see {{header-prefix}}). If the Insert Count is greater than the number I think this will be somewhat confusing, because the state of the table at the encoder at the time of encoding (insert count) can be different than the table state (insert count) required to decode a particular block. Maybe if you called it 'Required Insert Count' in the header prefix that would make it clear that an encoder shouldn't just blindly use the actual Insert Count? > n = count of entries inserted d = count of entries dropped ~~~~~ {: title="Example Dynamic Table Indexing - Control Stream"} Because frames from request streams can be delivered out of order with -instructions on the encoder stream, relative indices are relative to the Base -Index at the beginning of the header block (see {{header-prefix}}). The Base -Index is an absolute index. When interpreting the rest of the frame, the entry -identified by Base Index has a relative index of zero. The relative indices of -entries do not change while interpreting headers on a request or push stream. +instructions on the encoder stream, relative indices are relative to the Base at +the beginning of the header block (see {{header-prefix}}). The Base is encoded +as a value relative to the Insert Count, so it can be expressed as the number of +entries inserted. The dynamic table entries up to the Base can be referenced. What about post-base? > n = count of entries inserted d = count of entries dropped ~~~~~ {: title="Example Dynamic Table Indexing - Control Stream"} Because frames from request streams can be delivered out of order with -instructions on the encoder stream, relative indices are relative to the Base -Index at the beginning of the header block (see {{header-prefix}}). The Base -Index is an absolute index. When interpreting the rest of the frame, the entry -identified by Base Index has a relative index of zero. The relative indices of -entries do not change while interpreting headers on a request or push stream. +instructions on the encoder stream, relative indices are relative to the Base at +the beginning of the header block (see {{header-prefix}}). The Base is encoded +as a value relative to the Insert Count, so it can be expressed as the number of +entries inserted. The dynamic table entries up to the Base can be referenced. > The Base is encoded as a value relative to the Insert Count, so it can be expressed as the number entries inserted I'm having a hard time understanding why you are trying to say here. That Base in the number of entries inserted? Or the encoding of Base is the number of entries inserted? > n = count of entries inserted d = count of entries dropped ~~~~~ {: title="Example Dynamic Table Indexing - Control Stream"} Because frames from request streams can be delivered out of order with -instructions on the encoder stream, relative indices are relative to the Base -Index at the beginning of the header block (see {{header-prefix}}). The Base -Index is an absolute index. When interpreting the rest of the frame, the entry -identified by Base Index has a relative index of zero. The relative indices of -entries do not change while interpreting headers on a request or push stream. +instructions on the encoder stream, relative indices are relative to the Base at +the beginning of the header block (see {{header-prefix}}). The Base is encoded +as a value relative to the Insert Count, so it can be expressed as the number of +entries inserted. The dynamic table entries up to the Base can be referenced. +The most recently inserted entry within the limit set by the Base has a relative +index of 0. + +Though new entries could be added while processing a header block, the relative +indices of entries do not change. How are new entries added while processing a header block? Do you mean on the encoder side? Maybe encoding would be better than processing then? > In order to identify which dynamic table entries can be safely used without a stream becoming blocked, the encoder tracks the absolute index of the -decoder's Largest Known Received entry. +decoder's Known Received Count entry. What is the decoder's Known Received Count entry? That doesn't really make sense to me, maybe just this sentence needs rewording. What the encoder is tracking is the state of the decoder. The state of either the encoder or the decoder can be uniquely identified by the number of inserts that it has performed on its dynamic table. Would it be helpful to call the a table's 'State' or 'Version'? Or maybe change it from "Known Received Count" to "Decoder's Known Insert Count"? > n = count of entries inserted d = count of entries dropped ~~~~~ {: title="Example Dynamic Table Indexing - Control Stream"} Because frames from request streams can be delivered out of order with -instructions on the encoder stream, relative indices are relative to the Base -Index at the beginning of the header block (see {{header-prefix}}). The Base -Index is an absolute index. When interpreting the rest of the frame, the entry -identified by Base Index has a relative index of zero. The relative indices of -entries do not change while interpreting headers on a request or push stream. +instructions on the encoder stream, relative indices are relative to the Base at +the beginning of the header block (see {{header-prefix}}). The Base is encoded +as a value relative to the Insert Count, so it can be expressed as the number of +entries inserted. The dynamic table entries up to the Base can be referenced. +The most recently inserted entry within the limit set by the Base has a relative > The most recently inserted entry with the limit set by the Base I think this is where calling it Base rather than Base Index becomes awkward. Base Index tells you which entry in the table is relative index 0. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2111#pullrequestreview-186287017 ----==_mimepart_5c1969728a7f5_170d3fe80d4d45c4117850 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@afrind commented on this pull request.

I'm not really sure that Largest Reference was so unclear or that this provides substantially more clarity. Interested to hear what other think as well.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -249,18 +250,19 @@ Because QUIC does not guarantee order between data on different streams, a
 header block might reference an entry in the dynamic table that has not yet been
 received.
 
-Each header block contains a Largest Reference ({{header-prefix}}) which
-identifies the table state necessary for decoding. If the greatest absolute
-index in the dynamic table is less than the value of the Largest Reference, the
-stream is considered "blocked."  While blocked, header field data SHOULD remain
-in the blocked stream's flow control window.  When the Largest Reference is
-zero, the frame contains no references to the dynamic table and can always be
-processed immediately. A stream becomes unblocked when the greatest absolute
-index in the dynamic table becomes greater than or equal to the Largest
-Reference for all header blocks the decoder has started reading from the stream.
-If the decoder encounters a header block where the actual largest reference is
-not equal to the Largest Reference declared in the prefix, it MAY treat this as
-a stream error of type HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED.
+Each header block contains the total number of entries added to the dynamic
+table - the Insert Count - which identifies the table state necessary for
+decoding (see {{header-prefix}}). If the Insert Count is greater than the number

I think this will be somewhat confusing, because the state of the table at the encoder at the time of encoding (insert count) can be different than the table state (insert count) required to decode a particular block. Maybe if you called it 'Required Insert Count' in the header prefix that would make it clear that an encoder shouldn't just blindly use the actual Insert Count?

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  
 n = count of entries inserted
 d = count of entries dropped
 ~~~~~
 {: title="Example Dynamic Table Indexing - Control Stream"}
 
 Because frames from request streams can be delivered out of order with
-instructions on the encoder stream, relative indices are relative to the Base
-Index at the beginning of the header block (see {{header-prefix}}). The Base
-Index is an absolute index. When interpreting the rest of the frame, the entry
-identified by Base Index has a relative index of zero.  The relative indices of
-entries do not change while interpreting headers on a request or push stream.
+instructions on the encoder stream, relative indices are relative to the Base at
+the beginning of the header block (see {{header-prefix}}). The Base is encoded
+as a value relative to the Insert Count, so it can be expressed as the number of
+entries inserted. The dynamic table entries up to the Base can be referenced.

What about post-base?

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  
 n = count of entries inserted
 d = count of entries dropped
 ~~~~~
 {: title="Example Dynamic Table Indexing - Control Stream"}
 
 Because frames from request streams can be delivered out of order with
-instructions on the encoder stream, relative indices are relative to the Base
-Index at the beginning of the header block (see {{header-prefix}}). The Base
-Index is an absolute index. When interpreting the rest of the frame, the entry
-identified by Base Index has a relative index of zero.  The relative indices of
-entries do not change while interpreting headers on a request or push stream.
+instructions on the encoder stream, relative indices are relative to the Base at
+the beginning of the header block (see {{header-prefix}}). The Base is encoded
+as a value relative to the Insert Count, so it can be expressed as the number of
+entries inserted. The dynamic table entries up to the Base can be referenced.

The Base is encoded as a value relative to the Insert Count, so it can be expressed as the number entries inserted

I'm having a hard time understanding why you are trying to say here. That Base in the number of entries inserted? Or the encoding of Base is the number of entries inserted?

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  
 n = count of entries inserted
 d = count of entries dropped
 ~~~~~
 {: title="Example Dynamic Table Indexing - Control Stream"}
 
 Because frames from request streams can be delivered out of order with
-instructions on the encoder stream, relative indices are relative to the Base
-Index at the beginning of the header block (see {{header-prefix}}). The Base
-Index is an absolute index. When interpreting the rest of the frame, the entry
-identified by Base Index has a relative index of zero.  The relative indices of
-entries do not change while interpreting headers on a request or push stream.
+instructions on the encoder stream, relative indices are relative to the Base at
+the beginning of the header block (see {{header-prefix}}). The Base is encoded
+as a value relative to the Insert Count, so it can be expressed as the number of
+entries inserted. The dynamic table entries up to the Base can be referenced.
+The most recently inserted entry within the limit set by the Base has a relative
+index of 0.
+
+Though new entries could be added while processing a header block, the relative
+indices of entries do not change.

How are new entries added while processing a header block? Do you mean on the encoder side? Maybe encoding would be better than processing then?

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  
 In order to identify which dynamic table entries can be safely used
 without a stream becoming blocked, the encoder tracks the absolute index of the
-decoder's Largest Known Received entry.
+decoder's Known Received Count entry.

What is the decoder's Known Received Count entry? That doesn't really make sense to me, maybe just this sentence needs rewording.

What the encoder is tracking is the state of the decoder. The state of either the encoder or the decoder can be uniquely identified by the number of inserts that it has performed on its dynamic table.

Would it be helpful to call the a table's 'State' or 'Version'? Or maybe change it from "Known Received Count" to "Decoder's Known Insert Count"?

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  
 n = count of entries inserted
 d = count of entries dropped
 ~~~~~
 {: title="Example Dynamic Table Indexing - Control Stream"}
 
 Because frames from request streams can be delivered out of order with
-instructions on the encoder stream, relative indices are relative to the Base
-Index at the beginning of the header block (see {{header-prefix}}). The Base
-Index is an absolute index. When interpreting the rest of the frame, the entry
-identified by Base Index has a relative index of zero.  The relative indices of
-entries do not change while interpreting headers on a request or push stream.
+instructions on the encoder stream, relative indices are relative to the Base at
+the beginning of the header block (see {{header-prefix}}). The Base is encoded
+as a value relative to the Insert Count, so it can be expressed as the number of
+entries inserted. The dynamic table entries up to the Base can be referenced.
+The most recently inserted entry within the limit set by the Base has a relative

The most recently inserted entry with the limit set by the Base

I think this is where calling it Base rather than Base Index becomes awkward. Base Index tells you which entry in the table is relative index 0.

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Some of the mismatch here may come from QPACK inheriting its roots from HPACK via QCRAM. HPACK indexes from 1, and so did QPACK for a while. But when we changed QPACK to index from 0 then Largest Reference became an off-by-one misnomer.

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This adds a lot of duplicate text. Can we avoid that, so we don't make a change in one spot and miss the other 3 spots?

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@dtikhonov : yes, I guess I'm assuming that memory constra= ined implementations that don't really implement qpack aren't going to su= pport push either. And they are not going to support any extensions that= require more than one unidirectional stream. Per @kazuho's origina= l problem statement:

Avoiding creation them is beneficial for memory-constrained devices, b= ecause they can configure the QUIC transport stack to handle at most one = unidirectional stream

Is anyone actually building a memory constrained implementation that w= ould like to weigh in here? It strikes me as pretty simple to just recei= ve a qpack unidirectional stream and discard it, or as @lnicco sug= gests, reset it.

My thoughts around implementing a simpler version of qpack was that yo= u wouldn't be required to open your own encoder/decoder stream.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -idle depends upon whether pacing is used.
-
-If the sender uses pacing, the connection should limit the initial burst of
-packets to no more than the initial congestion window and subsequent packets
-SHOULD be paced. The congestion window does not change while the connection
-is idle.
-
-A sender that does not use pacing SHOULD reset its congestion window to the
-minimum of the current congestion window and the initial congestion window.
-This recommendation is based on Section 4.1 of {{?RFC5681}}.
+
+## Sending data after an idle period
+
+A sender is considered idle if it has no bytes in flight.  A sender can become
+idle when it is application limited and has no data to send, or when it marks
+packets as lost (and therefore not in flight).

The text that was there was probably leftover from a while ago... at any rate there is no PTO case. There is nothing marked as lost on a PTO, and bytes in flight does not change on a PTO (modulo the two packets that are sent in response). So a sender cannot become idle on a PTO.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2658,7 +2663,7 @@ level and can only be acknowledged in Handshake packets.
 
 This enforces cryptographic separation between the data sent in the different
 packet sequence number spaces.  Each packet number space starts at packet number
-0.  Subsequent packets sent in the same packet number space MUST increase the
+1.  Subsequent packets sent in the same packet number space MUST increase the

Hah! 0 is special :-)

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -716,6 +717,9 @@ Pseudocode for OnAckReceived and UpdateRtt follow:
 
 ~~~
   OnAckReceived(ack):
+    largest_acked_packet = max(largest_acked_packet,

It's the case when one packet is far out of order, and then subsequent packets arrive in order. ie: 100 is received, then 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, etc. I don't fully understand the cause, but I've seen small UDP packets jump ahead of large ones in a number of traces.

But I suspect Jana and I will merge this as is and we can add follow-up text about that issue if we think it's valuable.

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Resetting a QPACK stream would trigger an error:

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3031,33 +3031,28 @@ an ACK frame without ECN feedback, the endpoint stops setting ECT codepoints in
 subsequent IP packets, with the expectation that either the network path or the
 peer no longer supports ECN.
 
-To reduce the risk of non-standard compliant ECN markings affecting the
-operation of an endpoint, an endpoint verifies the counts it receives when it
-receives new acknowledgements:
+Network devices that corrupt or apply non-standard ECN markings might result in
+reduced throughput or other undesirable side-effects.  To reduce this risk, an
+endpoint uses the following steps to verify the counts it receives in an ACK
+frame.  Note that the counts MUST NOT be verified if the ACK frame does not

We can add a requirement that a receiver MUST NOT decrease the largest acked. I cannot see a reason (let alone a good one) why a receiver would do this. QUIC does not allow reneging of acked data, so decreasing the largest acked is strictly bad. That resolves this issue, right?

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----==_mimepart_5c196fe7ca176_29bf3f9678cd45bc1006d0-- From nobody Tue Dec 18 14:13:23 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B71A126F72 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 14:13:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7Dkxo-pn9A-X for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 14:13:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 387CF129BBF for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 14:13:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=7IwTePamGuzxOCgkykxUNqqNYD8=; b=HWL9D/kxRTAJPhzx igPPnXIa72H43+P4FKEETP0Bn/ZvR/W57GsqL2ho+fCugbIr9dyS4Y0dRHoqknyv B6LWnCMDawxh1kYdisfjLxF8Aaty1PqcDt2INZMC3viZGK1au5CNhq81riLWCWzO oH06GgesE12ejbih21/7dymA8Dk= Received: by filter0414p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0414p1iad2-7920-5C1970FD-25 2018-12-18 22:13:17.499884069 +0000 UTC m=+100310.174518020 Received: from github-lowworker-b40b5a4.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.36]) by ismtpd0008p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id got7DqxiQ3up_biU-S4drw for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 22:13:17.437 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-b40b5a4.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 727983E0064 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 14:13:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 22:13:17 +0000 (UTC) From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Editorial fixes to ECN text (#2189) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c1970fd705a0_c903fc12a2d45bc1138f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1Kc4UM46gka0cTWPYGL28OFDOngHvZpOGE72 swgqQX/EOc/Dc/24sKvxkFPntk+10v2esmKTsBo4qpGQhPXXosWdPBWCUl8LeHe/nTZiN5eaY60ZmE Q+hQWZ1ejtHmFhBCqMooCCTAFDpbLUKb1RBL12iLQIsWCKfHKBz4I8Uutw== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 22:13:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c1970fd705a0_c903fc12a2d45bc1138f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ianswett commented on this pull request. > @@ -3031,33 +3031,28 @@ an ACK frame without ECN feedback, the endpoint stops setting ECT codepoints in subsequent IP packets, with the expectation that either the network path or the peer no longer supports ECN. -To reduce the risk of non-standard compliant ECN markings affecting the -operation of an endpoint, an endpoint verifies the counts it receives when it -receives new acknowledgements: +Network devices that corrupt or apply non-standard ECN markings might result in +reduced throughput or other undesirable side-effects. To reduce this risk, an +endpoint uses the following steps to verify the counts it receives in an ACK +frame. Note that the counts MUST NOT be verified if the ACK frame does not Hmm, this seems like a strong requirement we should think through a bit more. At some point, I was thinking some very constrained implementations might just ACK the N most recent packets, and with reordering, that could cause largest acked to decrease. Maybe that's not a compelling use case, but we should be sure we're ok with never decreasing it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2189#discussion_r242725472 ----==_mimepart_5c1970fd705a0_c903fc12a2d45bc1138f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3031,33 +3031,28 @@ an ACK frame without ECN feedback, the endpoint stops setting ECT codepoints in
 subsequent IP packets, with the expectation that either the network path or the
 peer no longer supports ECN.
 
-To reduce the risk of non-standard compliant ECN markings affecting the
-operation of an endpoint, an endpoint verifies the counts it receives when it
-receives new acknowledgements:
+Network devices that corrupt or apply non-standard ECN markings might result in
+reduced throughput or other undesirable side-effects.  To reduce this risk, an
+endpoint uses the following steps to verify the counts it receives in an ACK
+frame.  Note that the counts MUST NOT be verified if the ACK frame does not

Hmm, this seems like a strong requirement we should think through a bit more. At some point, I was thinking some very constrained implementations might just ACK the N most recent packets, and with reordering, that could cause largest acked to decrease. Maybe that's not a compelling use case, but we should be sure we're ok with never decreasing it.

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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3031,33 +3031,28 @@ an ACK frame without ECN feedback, the endpoint stops setting ECT codepoints in
 subsequent IP packets, with the expectation that either the network path or the
 peer no longer supports ECN.
 
-To reduce the risk of non-standard compliant ECN markings affecting the
-operation of an endpoint, an endpoint verifies the counts it receives when it
-receives new acknowledgements:
+Network devices that corrupt or apply non-standard ECN markings might result in
+reduced throughput or other undesirable side-effects.  To reduce this risk, an
+endpoint uses the following steps to verify the counts it receives in an ACK
+frame.  Note that the counts MUST NOT be verified if the ACK frame does not

I'd like to do this in a separate PR. This PR is editorial. While adding a requirement on largest acked shouldn't surprise anyone, it's probably best to make it a separate thing.

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The congestion window does not change while the connection -is idle. - -A sender that does not use pacing SHOULD reset its congestion window to the -minimum of the current congestion window and the initial congestion window. -This recommendation is based on Section 4.1 of {{?RFC5681}}. + +## Sending data after an idle period + +A sender becomes idle if it has no bytes in flight. A sender can become idle +when it is application limited and has no data to send, or when it marks packets ```suggestion when it is application limited and has no data to send, or when it marks all packets ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2187#pullrequestreview-186308773 ----==_mimepart_5c1971e44729c_1f353f84f02d45c4299c1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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This is implicitly assumed, and, as @martinthomson points out in his comment, not doing so can cause undesired outcomes. There should be normative text in the transport draft requiring this behavior.

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -idle depends upon whether pacing is used.
-
-If the sender uses pacing, the connection should limit the initial burst of
-packets to no more than the initial congestion window and subsequent packets
-SHOULD be paced. The congestion window does not change while the connection
-is idle.
-
-A sender that does not use pacing SHOULD reset its congestion window to the
-minimum of the current congestion window and the initial congestion window.
-This recommendation is based on Section 4.1 of {{?RFC5681}}.
+
+## Sending data after an idle period
+
+A sender becomes idle if it has no bytes in flight.  A sender can become idle
+when it is application limited and has no data to send, or when it marks packets
+as lost (and therefore not in flight).

Can this also happen when all packets are acknowledged? I'm not sure what the preferred behavior is in that case. But the current text now properly captures the "my last PTO was acked and everything else was declared lost."

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The congestion window does not change while the connection -is idle. - -A sender that does not use pacing SHOULD reset its congestion window to the -minimum of the current congestion window and the initial congestion window. -This recommendation is based on Section 4.1 of {{?RFC5681}}. + +## Sending data after an idle period + +A sender becomes idle if it has no bytes in flight. A sender can become idle +when it is application limited and has no data to send, or when it marks packets +as lost (and therefore not in flight). Yes, that is a fine case ... this is what we've always had, the RTO text was incorrect. Basically the sender goes idle as soon as bytes in flight goes to 0. Maybe that's all we need to say. I've removed more text to make this clearer. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -idle depends upon whether pacing is used.
-
-If the sender uses pacing, the connection should limit the initial burst of
-packets to no more than the initial congestion window and subsequent packets
-SHOULD be paced. The congestion window does not change while the connection
-is idle.
-
-A sender that does not use pacing SHOULD reset its congestion window to the
-minimum of the current congestion window and the initial congestion window.
-This recommendation is based on Section 4.1 of {{?RFC5681}}.
+
+## Sending data after an idle period
+
+A sender becomes idle if it has no bytes in flight.  A sender can become idle
+when it is application limited and has no data to send, or when it marks packets
+as lost (and therefore not in flight).

Yes, that is a fine case ... this is what we've always had, the RTO text was incorrect. Basically the sender goes idle as soon as bytes in flight goes to 0. Maybe that's all we need to say. I've removed more text to make this clearer.

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@afrind commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -768,9 +781,7 @@ end of a stream, it generates a Stream Cancellation instruction on the decoder
 stream.  Similarly, when an endpoint abandons reading of a stream it needs to
 signal this using the Stream Cancellation instruction.  This signals to the
 encoder that all references to the dynamic table on that stream are no longer
-outstanding.  A decoder with a maximum dynamic table size equal to zero (see

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----==_mimepart_5c1978252e7ae_77c03fd3f5ed45b4317629-- From nobody Tue Dec 18 14:50:09 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1608130F29 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 14:50:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.564 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.564 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, URIBL_DBL_SPAM=2.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YOT0oHfN_5Iv for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 14:50:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 25A8812D7EA for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 14:50:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 14:50:04 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1545173404; bh=1zvIL5XzpDx+Nfu4V7AHn/NVNWMTgofyW4gj65HrWio=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=dcjuNaJ7D2xq6fpzOVRTXj03PMFsU/LgtxQmdw8uclxpVC451ihhM1hR3r4z6vjQk i913A2r0EaFGOyOE6CdLiVfkvHcf4/SEkUZSzXts46TMvEPMAE8bNckpkNgyf0MUB/ nv0DY6Tm6RT7zco2C4exycMoltIDPH0z4igMMTmM= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clean up text on Maximum Table Size. (#2115) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c19799c21cac_74ca3f86920d45b41203d6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 22:50:07 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c19799c21cac_74ca3f86920d45b41203d6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MikeBishop requested changes on this pull request. I think this is a good improvement, but a few things need fixing before it merges. Also, if you want GitHub to give you credit for the commits, the `user.email` needs to be an e-mail that GitHub has associated with your user account (verified or not). > -The initial maximum size is determined by the corresponding setting when HTTP -requests or responses are first permitted to be sent. For clients using 0-RTT -data in HTTP/3, the table size is the remembered value of the setting, even if -the server later specifies a larger maximum in its SETTINGS frame. For HTTP/3 -servers and HTTP/3 clients when 0-RTT is not attempted or is rejected, the -initial maximum table size is the value of the setting in the peer's SETTINGS -frame. +The initial dynamic table capacity is the value of the maximum dynamic table +capacity when HTTP requests or responses are first permitted to be sent. For +HTTP/3 servers and HTTP/3 clients when 0-RTT is not attempted or is rejected, +the initial maximum table capacity is zero. For clients using 0-RTT data in Good catch! I like your proposed text, and this reflects the agreement we reached on #1530. > -requests or responses are first permitted to be sent. For clients using 0-RTT -data in HTTP/3, the table size is the remembered value of the setting, even if -the server later specifies a larger maximum in its SETTINGS frame. For HTTP/3 -servers and HTTP/3 clients when 0-RTT is not attempted or is rejected, the -initial maximum table size is the value of the setting in the peer's SETTINGS -frame. +The initial dynamic table capacity is the value of the maximum dynamic table +capacity when HTTP requests or responses are first permitted to be sent. For +HTTP/3 servers and HTTP/3 clients when 0-RTT is not attempted or is rejected, +the initial maximum table capacity is zero. For clients using 0-RTT data in +HTTP/3, the initial table capacity is the remembered value of the setting, even +if the server later specifies a different maximum dynamic table capacity in its +SETTINGS frame. It is not an error for the SETTINGS frame to contain a +SETTINGS_MAXIMUM_DYNAMIC_TABLE_CAPACITY value lower than the initial table +capacity on a 0-RTT connection; the maximum dynamic table capacity only limits +subsequent table capacity changes. However, if an endpoint receives a HTTP/3 in general bars reducing the value of a setting while accepting 0-RTT, so (1) would be more consistent. From 4.2.5.2 in H3: > If 0-RTT data is accepted by the server, its SETTINGS frame MUST NOT reduce any limits or alter any values that might be violated by the client with its 0-RTT data. > -The new maximum size MUST be lower than or equal to the limit determined by the -protocol using QPACK. A value that exceeds this limit MUST be treated as a -connection error of type `HTTP_QPACK_ENCODER_STREAM_ERROR`. In HTTP/3, this -limit is the value of the SETTINGS_HEADER_TABLE_SIZE parameter (see -{{configuration}}) received from the decoder. +The new capacity MUST be lower than or equal to the limit described in +{{maximum-dynamic-table-capacity}}. On 1-RTT HTTP/3 connections, this limit is True for all connections -- the setting has an initial value of (0 , previous) and then gets updated when the SETTINGS frame is received. > @@ -780,9 +781,7 @@ end of a stream, it generates a Stream Cancellation instruction on the decoder stream. Similarly, when an endpoint abandons reading of a stream it needs to signal this using the Stream Cancellation instruction. This signals to the encoder that all references to the dynamic table on that stream are no longer -outstanding. A decoder with a maximum dynamic table size equal to zero MAY omit -sending Stream Cancellations, because the encoder cannot have any dynamic table -references. ...and therefore, we still want this text. > @@ -1261,7 +1272,8 @@ Substantial editorial reorganization; no technical changes. - Largest Reference encoded modulo MaxEntries (#1763) - New Static Table (#1355) - Table Size Update with Insert Count=0 is a connection error (#1762) -- Stream Cancellations are optional when SETTINGS_HEADER_TABLE_SIZE=0 (#1761) +- Stream Cancellations are optional when + SETTINGS_MAXIMUM_DYNAMIC_TABLE_CAPACITY=0 (#1761) Rather than retconning the changelog, it's probably more appropriate to add a current changelog entry that SETTINGS_HEADER_TABLE_SIZE was renamed. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@MikeBishop requested changes on this pull request.

I think this is a good improvement, but a few things need fixing before it merges. Also, if you want GitHub to give you credit for the commits, the user.email needs to be an e-mail that GitHub has associated with your user account (verified or not).

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  
-The initial maximum size is determined by the corresponding setting when HTTP
-requests or responses are first permitted to be sent. For clients using 0-RTT
-data in HTTP/3, the table size is the remembered value of the setting, even if
-the server later specifies a larger maximum in its SETTINGS frame.  For HTTP/3
-servers and HTTP/3 clients when 0-RTT is not attempted or is rejected, the
-initial maximum table size is the value of the setting in the peer's SETTINGS
-frame.
+The initial dynamic table capacity is the value of the maximum dynamic table
+capacity when HTTP requests or responses are first permitted to be sent.  For
+HTTP/3 servers and HTTP/3 clients when 0-RTT is not attempted or is rejected,
+the initial maximum table capacity is zero.  For clients using 0-RTT data in

Good catch! I like your proposed text, and this reflects the agreement we reached on #1530.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> -requests or responses are first permitted to be sent. For clients using 0-RTT
-data in HTTP/3, the table size is the remembered value of the setting, even if
-the server later specifies a larger maximum in its SETTINGS frame.  For HTTP/3
-servers and HTTP/3 clients when 0-RTT is not attempted or is rejected, the
-initial maximum table size is the value of the setting in the peer's SETTINGS
-frame.
+The initial dynamic table capacity is the value of the maximum dynamic table
+capacity when HTTP requests or responses are first permitted to be sent.  For
+HTTP/3 servers and HTTP/3 clients when 0-RTT is not attempted or is rejected,
+the initial maximum table capacity is zero.  For clients using 0-RTT data in
+HTTP/3, the initial table capacity is the remembered value of the setting, even
+if the server later specifies a different maximum dynamic table capacity in its
+SETTINGS frame.  It is not an error for the SETTINGS frame to contain a
+SETTINGS_MAXIMUM_DYNAMIC_TABLE_CAPACITY value lower than the initial table
+capacity on a 0-RTT connection; the maximum dynamic table capacity only limits
+subsequent table capacity changes.  However, if an endpoint receives a

HTTP/3 in general bars reducing the value of a setting while accepting 0-RTT, so (1) would be more consistent. From 4.2.5.2 in H3:

If 0-RTT data is accepted by the server, its SETTINGS frame MUST NOT reduce any limits or alter any values that might be violated by the client with its 0-RTT data.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  
-The new maximum size MUST be lower than or equal to the limit determined by the
-protocol using QPACK.  A value that exceeds this limit MUST be treated as a
-connection error of type `HTTP_QPACK_ENCODER_STREAM_ERROR`.  In HTTP/3, this
-limit is the value of the SETTINGS_HEADER_TABLE_SIZE parameter (see
-{{configuration}}) received from the decoder.
+The new capacity MUST be lower than or equal to the limit described in
+{{maximum-dynamic-table-capacity}}.  On 1-RTT HTTP/3 connections, this limit is

True for all connections -- the setting has an initial value of (0 , previous) and then gets updated when the SETTINGS frame is received.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -780,9 +781,7 @@ end of a stream, it generates a Stream Cancellation instruction on the decoder
 stream.  Similarly, when an endpoint abandons reading of a stream it needs to
 signal this using the Stream Cancellation instruction.  This signals to the
 encoder that all references to the dynamic table on that stream are no longer
-outstanding.  A decoder with a maximum dynamic table size equal to zero MAY omit
-sending Stream Cancellations, because the encoder cannot have any dynamic table
-references.

...and therefore, we still want this text.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -1261,7 +1272,8 @@ Substantial editorial reorganization; no technical changes.
 - Largest Reference encoded modulo MaxEntries (#1763)
 - New Static Table (#1355)
 - Table Size Update with Insert Count=0 is a connection error (#1762)
-- Stream Cancellations are optional when SETTINGS_HEADER_TABLE_SIZE=0 (#1761)
+- Stream Cancellations are optional when
+  SETTINGS_MAXIMUM_DYNAMIC_TABLE_CAPACITY=0 (#1761)

Rather than retconning the changelog, it's probably more appropriate to add a current changelog entry that SETTINGS_HEADER_TABLE_SIZE was renamed.

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Co-Authored-By: huitema Commit: 21635b4d047ca438b2cef45866913b218bda3455 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/21635b4d047ca438b2cef4= 5866913b218bda3455 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-20 (Tue, 20 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Some of Jana's suggestions Commit: a265516ae6e760f7585f52f05a1c4dd2b1d41849 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a265516ae6e760f7585f52= f05a1c4dd2b1d41849 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-21 (Wed, 21 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Don't allow use of AEAD_AES_128_CCM_8 Closes #2019. 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It's not the right number, but I don't think that the right number is attainable, and this is close enough. This text isn't final. I'd like it to be more accurate AND shorter, but lack the skills and perspective. Closes #1278, #1749. 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Closes #2063. Commit: ea010f4c5c665abcca80bb05214110f0981e9e8c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ea010f4c5c665abcca80bb= 05214110f0981e9e8c Author: Dmitri Tikhonov Date: 2018-11-29 (Thu, 29 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove paragraph talking about retaining DCID The paragraph in question became what it is now in 391641ed60351d5685d5121b261059862dfd8e63. Before CID sequence numbers, the endpoint that retired CIDs might have wanted to remember the CIDs it retired for some time to deduplicate NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames. Now this is no longer necessary and this paragraph is an oddity. 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Commit: 7a6885f703b86b6e6172b3ea99a05d714a473353 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7a6885f703b86b6e6172b3= ea99a05d714a473353 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-30 (Fri, 30 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2069 from quicwg/icmp-1280-limit Don't let the PMTU drop below 1280 Commit: 2b6078614d8c834186f287baa9d0e640e8ec9a83 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2b6078614d8c834186f287= baa9d0e640e8ec9a83 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-30 (Fri, 30 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2070 from dtikhonov/201811291602-no-need-to-retain-= dcid-knowledge Remove paragraph talking about retaining DCID Commit: 262c91d17b1918f5c4d419b13228b8a5d1560496 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/262c91d17b1918f5c4d419= b13228b8a5d1560496 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-30 (Fri, 30 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2073 from dtikhonov/201811291727-reword-misrouted-r= eset-sentence Clarify sentence describing a misrouted Stateless Reset Commit: b240fb45485e48f0a6e8d41d44893ad7f72b37f0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b240fb45485e48f0a6e8d4= 1d44893ad7f72b37f0 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-30 (Fri, 30 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- F Commit: 9398da2c93798a297c66000b9e21b6c96f0cd757 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9398da2c93798a297c6600= 0b9e21b6c96f0cd757 Author: Dmitri Tikhonov Date: 2018-11-30 (Fri, 30 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Do no define connection as a conversation The target audience is not likely to be confused by the use of the term "connection." On the other hand, "conversation" is not defined in this document; it is a superfluous addition. "Encryption context" is similarly not defined and the only reference to it removed in this change. Commit: 4f1a6a94951835edc67cd1f9c350fa7d635ae4e7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4f1a6a94951835edc67cd1= f9c350fa7d635ae4e7 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-30 (Fri, 30 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- No RTT for non-retransmittable packets Only take RTT samples when the largest acked is a retransmittable packet.= Otherwise, the ack delay may be unlimited. 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Date: 2018-12-04 (Tue, 04 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- NEW_CONNECTION_ID: use sequence number for one CID only Commit: a91f2ff95e727ae39954861b643da1f7a51521c0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a91f2ff95e727ae3995486= 1b643da1f7a51521c0 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-12-04 (Tue, 04 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2094 from quicwg/ping PING loss does not require repair Commit: ff532d0bceb0b5816621f88c5cf6381b15ef0e9d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ff532d0bceb0b5816621f8= 8c5cf6381b15ef0e9d Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-12-04 (Tue, 04 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2068 from quicwg/pmtud Minor editorial changes Commit: 5cc1b8117531decd9d23215d227de6761cd8b0d4 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5cc1b8117531decd9d2321= 5d227de6761cd8b0d4 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 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Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2089 from quicwg/ianswett-repeat-tokens Repeat tokens in all Initial packets Commit: 1a39061b72e2cd2b65e0c13a94e15138bbeb1e0c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1a39061b72e2cd2b65e0c1= 3a94e15138bbeb1e0c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-05 (Wed, 05 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2096 from dtikhonov/201812041052-one-cid-per-seqno NEW_CONNECTION_ID: use sequence number for one CID only Commit: a21a18a138b4871d520df219e745f7d311f1c106 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a21a18a138b4871d520df2= 19e745f7d311f1c106 Author: Dmitri Tikhonov Date: 2018-12-04 (Tue, 04 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md Log Message: ----------- QPACK wording fix: decoders dont receive resets (#2014) * Fix wording: decoders don't receive resets * Reflow paragraph to fit into 80 columns * Replace one more 'a decoder' with 'an endpoint' * Fix: endpoints receive 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(#2005) As discussed in #2002, there are two ways to encode Delta Base Index of zero at the wire level; i.e. (sign-bit, delta-base-index) =3D (0, 0) and (1, 0). To avoid having multiple ways to represent one value, we prohibit the latter form from being used. A receiver is required to raise an error when it sees the latter. This is not only an unnecessary complexity but also contradicts from the approach we use for Post-Base Indexes. In case of Post- Base Indexes, we introduce an offset of one so that the Post-Base Index of zero and a non-Post-Base Index of zero do not overlap. The commit adopts the approach to Delta Base Index; giving us consistency in the design and also removing an error check at the cost of requiring one subtraction. Commit: bf69525a5bd8d0599c980258e5192d8a0926ed7a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/bf69525a5bd8d0599c9802= 58e5192d8a0926ed7a Author: ianswett Date: 2018-12-04 (Tue, 04 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Prevent int underflow (#2065) * Prevent int underflow Fixes #2052 * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Remove else * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: f0ac9e4ac364cbcdefecf06ecf780d09c3ea0472 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f0ac9e4ac364cbcdefecf0= 6ecf780d09c3ea0472 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2018-12-04 (Tue, 04 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- DUPLICATE_PUSH instead of multiple PUSH_PROMISE frames (#2072) * DUPLICATE_PUSH * Don't specify frame name * More declarative * Clients have options Commit: a91819cf9ae33a17720600d2fb9beb506b503cd5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a91819cf9ae33a17720600= d2fb9beb506b503cd5 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-12-04 (Tue, 04 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2095 from quicwg/variables Unnecessary variables in recovery Commit: 5307d46b792b965e423cd8dbc7872bd5f769e749 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5307d46b792b965e423cd8= dbc7872bd5f769e749 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-12-04 (Tue, 04 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Fixes part of #2060 Commit: c3c6c45cbc77d99a0551124d7e16b63e91d8bc2b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c3c6c45cbc77d99a055112= 4d7e16b63e91d8bc2b Author: ianswett Date: 2018-12-05 (Wed, 05 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Jana's suggestion Commit: 410f67919d51822dd5f066dcb637c72386adf0b5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/410f67919d51822dd5f066= dcb637c72386adf0b5 Author: Ryan Hamilton Date: 2018-12-05 (Wed, 05 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Allow the HTTP/3 DATA frame to extend to the end of the stream (#2098) * Allow the HTTP/3 DATA frame to extend to the end of the stream Allow the HTTP/3 DATA frame to extend to the end of the stream if the frame's payload length is 0. Fixes #1885 * Remove the "DATA frames MUST contain a non-zero-length payload" restric= tion. Commit: 09d19c6166af72632cfc413160c66a4e4278f59e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/09d19c6166af72632cfc41= 3160c66a4e4278f59e Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-12-05 (Wed, 05 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2078 from quicwg/ianswett-no-rtt No RTT for non-retransmittable packets Commit: 587f8a5b72824b73b0543a33841a6437ceb0b981 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/587f8a5b72824b73b0543a= 33841a6437ceb0b981 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-05 (Wed, 05 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Refactor DetectLostPackets This had a couple of problems that I think this addresses, and some that it doesn't. The first is that it isn't clear what is being iterated over and in what order. I think that the point here is to iterate over sent_packets, starting with the oldest. Correct me if that is wrong. In any case, this change doesn't assume an iteration order. The only reason the iteration order is important is in setting loss_time, which needs to be the earliest time (assuming that I'm right). This simplifies the function, by setting thresholds at the top and doing a simple comparison. I've added a note about loss_time potentially being in the past. The problem that remains is that this appeared to iterate only over packets that have a packet number less than the largest acknowledged. I've added that condition to the loop, but I don't think that it's right. I think that it's just redundant - and while an implementation might stop its iteration at the largest acknowledged to save cycles, this function will operate the same without the extra check. It's also not clear whether the greater than comparisons here were correct. If you assume that firing of the timer cannot take zero time, this is never an issue, but with discrete intervals on time values, that's not always going to happen. As setup, this code could be called at exactly loss_time for a packet, in which case that packet will not be declared lost. I think that this wants >=3D in the time comparison for that reason. Finally, should the early retransmit timer be configurable? Should it be set based on kTimeReorderingThreshold? Commit: 29f5fdf72186f71d0d34d487dac8b18a30584e13 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/29f5fdf72186f71d0d34d4= 87dac8b18a30584e13 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-05 (Wed, 05 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Review changes Commit: db6929a33d31de152198f6560aad31a0ed53f359 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/db6929a33d31de152198f6= 560aad31a0ed53f359 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-05 (Wed, 05 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Use <=3D for cutoffs Commit: 02a164ee1e8e208e414896124c15c627f79dcea8 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/02a164ee1e8e208e414896= 124c15c627f79dcea8 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2018-12-05 (Wed, 05 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Fixes some broken bits Commit: 71e06d391739652c1ed965873f530bb496f8aecd https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/71e06d391739652c1ed965= 873f530bb496f8aecd Author: 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Commit: eb7c2c8c091b7e5c3a10e33d2f7eaf25223e6287 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/eb7c2c8c091b7e5c3a10e3= 3d2f7eaf25223e6287 Author: Magnus Westerlund Date: 2018-12-11 (Tue, 11 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fixing one unclear sentence. Commit: 3a72fbd8afd182f7a025f991b47cb4776a89cbec https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3a72fbd8afd182f7a025f9= 91b47cb4776a89cbec Author: Magnus Westerlund Date: 2018-12-11 (Tue, 11 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Clarifies puprose of the validation bullets. Commit: 3faded4e058926279280e83550c8c50de6b6173a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3faded4e058926279280e8= 3550c8c50de6b6173a Author: Magnus Westerlund Date: 2018-12-11 (Tue, 11 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Added paragraph of conditions when the comparisons should not be perfor= med. Commit: 2f37f13c2cc6fe12cf1f64fdb6ac6192bc9bfbe7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2f37f13c2cc6fe12cf1f64= fdb6ac6192bc9bfbe7 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2018-12-11 (Tue, 11 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- stronger recommendations Commit: 7800d4197be41adf5270babb75ae9ef7762ef2c4 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7800d4197be41adf5270ba= bb75ae9ef7762ef2c4 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2018-12-11 (Tue, 11 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Revert "Allow the HTTP/3 DATA frame to extend to the end of the stream = (#2098)" This reverts commit 410f67919d51822dd5f066dcb637c72386adf0b5. Commit: f4fc1b11db334389761bf5355aff123d8a30954c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f4fc1b11db334389761bf5= 355aff123d8a30954c Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2018-12-11 (Tue, 11 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Remove the "DATA frames MUST contain a non-zero-length payload" restric= tion. Commit: 0cd1b06bd631c0639c5009d68d9bece7dff93fe7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0cd1b06bd631c0639c5009= d68d9bece7dff93fe7 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-11 (Tue, 11 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1982 from huitema/spin-per-peer Spin per peer Commit: 2cec8c7db480a046c80feb2adb6b2a305d992fd4 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2cec8c7db480a046c80feb= 2adb6b2a305d992fd4 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2018-12-11 (Tue, 11 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- fix Commit: f581c44f0b385119d1dd7098ec321289c16d34e4 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f581c44f0b385119d1dd70= 98ec321289c16d34e4 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-11 (Tue, 11 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2116 from quicwg/retire Stronger recommendations on RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID Commit: 6763689ad4e09b4157b03e948a33e411954b8d86 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6763689ad4e09b4157b03e= 948a33e411954b8d86 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-12-11 (Tue, 11 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- In-flight not outstanding Issue noticed when reviewing PR #2117 Commit: e2b6303b78df8c5527d9a2f9f74369f0e64e69ee https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e2b6303b78df8c5527d9a2= f9f74369f0e64e69ee Author: Magnus Westerlund Date: 2018-12-12 (Wed, 12 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Apply suggestions from code review Co-Authored-By: gloinul Commit: 0a2edd0cfe63596f68d917f66693d93081a8bec7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0a2edd0cfe63596f68d917= f66693d93081a8bec7 Author: Magnus Westerlund Date: 2018-12-12 (Wed, 12 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Removed unnecessary restriction. Added notices that local reference cou= nters needs to be updated as part of ACK processing. Some editorials. Commit: 43b6f677582ae0d917e759c7d002d69a174d64f2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/43b6f677582ae0d917e759= c7d002d69a174d64f2 Author: Magnus Westerlund Date: 2018-12-12 (Wed, 12 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Added text on dealing with reordered ACKs. Commit: 4d005fa2df55f697baeac909ee7ff4f9743f09f7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4d005fa2df55f697baeac9= 09ee7ff4f9743f09f7 Author: Dmitri Tikhonov Date: 2018-12-12 (Wed, 12 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Use less ambiguous language wrt PRIORITY on req stream It is better to state it explicitly when PRIORITY frame carried on a request stream is to be ignored. In addition, I removed the "subsequent" qualifier: the same logic applies to PRIORITY frames sent on the control stream before the request stream is created. 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This commits only moves paragraphs around in whole. Paragraphs are not edited, redacted, broken up or joined. In addition, a new section "Eviction" is added. Commit: 6dac31c71066a4d868fe516f902ea75c59cc014d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6dac31c71066a4d868fe51= 6f902ea75c59cc014d Author: Bence B=C3=A9ky Date: 2018-12-12 (Wed, 12 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md Log Message: ----------- Rearrange sentences. This commit breaks up and rejoints paragraphs and changes the order of sentences. No sentence is modified, redacted, omitted, or added. Commit: c1e4f68e43ddc9e1ef55eee4975952cfcc450b39 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c1e4f68e43ddc9e1ef55ee= e4975952cfcc450b39 Author: Bence B=C3=A9ky Date: 2018-12-12 (Wed, 12 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md Log Message: ----------- Editorial bikesheding. 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Commit: 08c2ca21cdb03753a270b16e4c6eddd57ffb2534 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/08c2ca21cdb03753a270b1= 6e4c6eddd57ffb2534 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2018-12-16 (Sun, 16 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- congestion window Commit: 196dfe56bae9947b10abbb20e37fa402dc880f9c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/196dfe56bae9947b10abbb= 20e37fa402dc880f9c Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-12-16 (Sun, 16 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2188 from quicwg/forward-secure No spoofed ACK attack Commit: 97ae487118d4dd404fbda9b74e5e411d7e9a6562 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/97ae487118d4dd404fbda9= b74e5e411d7e9a6562 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-12-16 (Sun, 16 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2194 from ghedo/unused_const Remove unused kDelayedAckTimeout constant Commit: e3b8bf3fa3951ce9007a0bc135a97516ba1cb86e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e3b8bf3fa3951ce9007a0b= c135a97516ba1cb86e Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-12-16 (Sun, 16 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Fix lint Commit: b87dad30a88aefd393033e51d5519a5db7f654e9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b87dad30a88aefd393033e= 51d5519a5db7f654e9 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-12-16 (Sun, 16 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- fix formatting Commit: 91da5d45c909ea8877fd17b6ad028b5f220601d7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/91da5d45c909ea8877fd17= b6ad028b5f220601d7 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-12-16 (Sun, 16 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- I hate the online editor Commit: 19a46f192062e99fd2e86763e122465562480333 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/19a46f192062e99fd2e867= 63e122465562480333 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-12-16 (Sun, 16 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2193 from ghedo/time_sent Use 'time_sent' instead of 'time' consistently Commit: abcef1abd611a6329aeb3f71bbd40f9816490337 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/abcef1abd611a6329aeb3f= 71bbd40f9816490337 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-16 (Sun, 16 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2181 from quicwg/at-least-1200 Pad to at least 1200 bytes Commit: 81a750f040001abda26a0b9b270c814d04d5aa66 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/81a750f040001abda26a0b= 9b270c814d04d5aa66 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-16 (Sun, 16 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2190 from marten-seemann/clarify-aead-usage fix description of AEAD usage Commit: a326fecbd2945809f20848dc0901ab55eef409f7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a326fecbd2945809f20848= dc0901ab55eef409f7 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-17 (Mon, 17 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Also applies after Retry Commit: b2a53438216b7850ab7d663ec671fb66ff45a600 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b2a53438216b7850ab7d66= 3ec671fb66ff45a600 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-16 (Sun, 16 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2196 from quicwg/hp-one-key Header protection keys don't change Commit: 2863e0145e373c15c0a477121eb1887c9136d48c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2863e0145e373c15c0a477= 121eb1887c9136d48c Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2018-12-17 (Mon, 17 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fix Handshake's type number Commit: f79c3c47d13a6805e0889ce499235cd82a4ed03f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f79c3c47d13a6805e0889c= e499235cd82a4ed03f Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-12-17 (Mon, 17 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Ack-eliciting, not inflight (#2117) * ack-eliciting, not inflight * more outstanding Commit: 3e6464fa57c0b993bb2f481a6e1b8a71df2c765f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3e6464fa57c0b993bb2f48= 1a6e1b8a71df2c765f Author: Bence B=C3=A9ky Date: 2018-12-18 (Tue, 18 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md Log Message: ----------- Swap eviction and max table size sections. 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This commits only moves paragraphs around in whole. Paragraphs are not edited, redacted, broken up or joined. In addition, a new section "Eviction" is added. * Rearrange sentences. This commit breaks up and rejoints paragraphs and changes the order of sentences. No sentence is modified, redacted, omitted, or added. * Editorial bikesheding. * Swap eviction and max table size sections. 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I'm with Alan that this seems unnecessary. Also, the largest reference and the number of entries inserted at the end of the encoding are often the same, but need not be. > n = count of entries inserted d = count of entries dropped ~~~~~ {: title="Example Dynamic Table Indexing - Control Stream"} Because frames from request streams can be delivered out of order with -instructions on the encoder stream, relative indices are relative to the Base -Index at the beginning of the header block (see {{header-prefix}}). The Base -Index is an absolute index. When interpreting the rest of the frame, the entry -identified by Base Index has a relative index of zero. The relative indices of -entries do not change while interpreting headers on a request or push stream. +instructions on the encoder stream, relative indices are relative to the Base at +the beginning of the header block (see {{header-prefix}}). 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@MikeBishop commented on this pull request.

I'm with Alan that this seems unnecessary. Also, the largest reference and the number of entries inserted at the end of the encoding are often the same, but need not be.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  
 n = count of entries inserted
 d = count of entries dropped
 ~~~~~
 {: title="Example Dynamic Table Indexing - Control Stream"}
 
 Because frames from request streams can be delivered out of order with
-instructions on the encoder stream, relative indices are relative to the Base
-Index at the beginning of the header block (see {{header-prefix}}). The Base
-Index is an absolute index. When interpreting the rest of the frame, the entry
-identified by Base Index has a relative index of zero.  The relative indices of
-entries do not change while interpreting headers on a request or push stream.
+instructions on the encoder stream, relative indices are relative to the Base at
+the beginning of the header block (see {{header-prefix}}). The Base is encoded
+as a value relative to the Insert Count, so it can be expressed as the number of
+entries inserted. The dynamic table entries up to the Base can be referenced.
+The most recently inserted entry within the limit set by the Base has a relative
+index of 0.
+
+Though new entries could be added while processing a header block, the relative
+indices of entries do not change.

In theory, you could process instructions on the encoder stream in parallel with interpreting a header block. However, more likely this refers to entries getting inserted during encoding, and this is the wrong terminology.

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----==_mimepart_5c197ddbbbb1e_397d3f8a692d45b4485b6-- From nobody Tue Dec 18 15:10:48 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7AC71311EE for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 15:10:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.996 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.996 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b39VX2As7jnJ for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 15:10:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from m69-170.mailgun.net (m69-170.mailgun.net [166.78.69.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A62AB131242 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 15:10:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1545174634; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=NQKa/LWZWlb+xToPqsNj6jCs7mguArNFuXOOLZhOro8=; b=OS8KqjgB2FtROdLLqsgz7zNG2ej8Ju27wsCgchj5rGkPpQgpmT7kJmug0yV0UDCNBwDpCV22 sfWt8voQny6O9hAtaMMk7ONErmh/VE/ZDDJIiExe1NqFpNb79dLUD2oInGDItRtlpO30fEzh 1Ibyrxz9QRKsyWWaX0Q5ATtBxrI= X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.69.170 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.37]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 5c197e6a.7f472827af30-smtp-out-n02; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 23:10:34 -0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 15:10:33 -0800 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5c197e6963c00_1df72ace49e2c58830217@hookshot-fe-2cc8887.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 1b928f: Discard Initial keys as soon as possible Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c197e6963579_1df72ace49e2c588301e9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 23:10:47 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c197e6963579_1df72ace49e2c588301e9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 1b928f21b3b50aecf271fdda148c693b660edca5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1b928f21b3b50aecf271fdda148c693b660edca5 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-23 (Fri, 23 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Discard Initial keys as soon as possible Closes #1951. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2841,23 +2841,24 @@ needing acknowledgement are received.  The sender can use the receiver's
 Strategies and implications of the frequency of generating acknowledgments are
 discussed in more detail in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.
 
-To limit ACK Blocks to those that have not yet been received by the sender, the
-receiver SHOULD track which ACK frames have been acknowledged by its peer.  Once
-an ACK frame has been acknowledged, the packets it acknowledges SHOULD NOT be
-acknowledged again.
+To limit the ranges of acknowledged packet numbers to those that have not yet
+been received by the sender, the receiver SHOULD track which ACK frames have
+been acknowledged by its peer.  Once an ACK frame has been acknowledged, the
+packets it acknowledges SHOULD NOT be acknowledged again.

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Mostly good, but some minor nits. Is it possible not to rewrap things to a smaller size? Otherwise, I'll go through and rewrap before merging. > @@ -324,7 +325,7 @@ transport parameter `initial_max_uni_streams`. If the stream header indicates a stream type which is not supported by the recipient, the remainder of the stream cannot be consumed as the semantics are -unknown. Recipients of unknown stream types MAY trigger a QUIC STOP_SENDING +unknown. Recipients of unknown stream types MAY send a QUIC STOP_SENDING The use of "trigger" is deliberate, since an HTTP implementation cannot directly send transport frames. It can ask the transport implementation to do so. > @@ -546,14 +548,16 @@ the interpretation of the associated Element ID fields. | 10 | Placeholder | Placeholder ID | | 11 | Root of the tree | Absent | -Note that the root of the tree cannot be referenced using a Stream ID of 0, as -in {{!RFC7540}}; QUIC stream 0 carries a valid HTTP request. The root of the -tree cannot be reprioritized. A PRIORITY frame sent on a request stream with the -Prioritized Element Type set to any value other than `11` or which expresses a -dependency on a request with a greater Stream ID than the current stream MUST be -treated as a stream error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME. Likewise, a PRIORITY -frame sent on a control stream with the Prioritized Element Type set to `11` -MUST be treated as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME. +Note that unlike in {{!RFC7540}}; the root of the tree cannot be I don't think this should be a semicolon. > @@ -312,7 +312,7 @@ permit the encoder to track the decoder's state. These events are: - Complete processing of a header block - Abandonment of a stream which might have remaining header blocks -- Receipt of new dynamic table entries +- Receipt of new dynamic table entries (Table State Synchronize) Why specify the instruction for this event, but not for the others? This ought to be consistent. > @@ -375,7 +375,7 @@ initial maximum table size is the value of the setting in the peer's SETTINGS frame. Before a new entry is added to the dynamic table, entries are evicted from the -end of the dynamic table until the size of the dynamic table is less than or +end the dynamic table until the size of the dynamic table is less than or "end of" is correct -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2204#pullrequestreview-186326804 ----==_mimepart_5c19818715309_506f3f9d406d45bc12826d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@MikeBishop requested changes on this pull request.

Mostly good, but some minor nits. Is it possible not to rewrap things to a smaller size? Otherwise, I'll go through and rewrap before merging.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -324,7 +325,7 @@ transport parameter `initial_max_uni_streams`.
 
 If the stream header indicates a stream type which is not supported by the
 recipient, the remainder of the stream cannot be consumed as the semantics are
-unknown. Recipients of unknown stream types MAY trigger a QUIC STOP_SENDING
+unknown. Recipients of unknown stream types MAY send a QUIC STOP_SENDING

The use of "trigger" is deliberate, since an HTTP implementation cannot directly send transport frames. It can ask the transport implementation to do so.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -546,14 +548,16 @@ the interpretation of the associated Element ID fields.
 | 10        | Placeholder      | Placeholder ID                 |
 | 11        | Root of the tree | Absent                         |
 
-Note that the root of the tree cannot be referenced using a Stream ID of 0, as
-in {{!RFC7540}}; QUIC stream 0 carries a valid HTTP request.  The root of the
-tree cannot be reprioritized. A PRIORITY frame sent on a request stream with the
-Prioritized Element Type set to any value other than `11` or which expresses a
-dependency on a request with a greater Stream ID than the current stream MUST be
-treated as a stream error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME.  Likewise, a PRIORITY
-frame sent on a control stream with the Prioritized Element Type set to `11`
-MUST be treated as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME.
+Note that unlike in {{!RFC7540}}; the root of the tree cannot be

I don't think this should be a semicolon.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -312,7 +312,7 @@ permit the encoder to track the decoder's state.  These events are:
 
 - Complete processing of a header block
 - Abandonment of a stream which might have remaining header blocks
-- Receipt of new dynamic table entries
+- Receipt of new dynamic table entries (Table State Synchronize)

Why specify the instruction for this event, but not for the others? This ought to be consistent.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -375,7 +375,7 @@ initial maximum table size is the value of the setting in the peer's SETTINGS
 frame.
 
 Before a new entry is added to the dynamic table, entries are evicted from the
-end of the dynamic table until the size of the dynamic table is less than or
+end the dynamic table until the size of the dynamic table is less than or

"end of" is correct

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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c1981d1c32db_e1a2b1466cf457c81123"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 23:25:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c1981d1c32db_e1a2b1466cf457c81123 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 9d20ea501c0c72ffe593af6179ebbdad9d2abf87 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9d20ea501c0c72ffe593af6179ebbdad9d2abf87 Author: EKR Date: 2018-12-17 (Mon, 17 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Make the ECN requirements match the the discussion in #2156. Fixes #2156 1. Implementations are free to enable sending or not. 2, Implementations MAY read the ECN code points if they can and send ECN ACKs. 3. Implementations MUST accept the 0x03 ACK type and if they are sending ECN SHOULD use the ECN section. I recognize that some people want to have stronger language here, based on this discussion I think this is where we are. I'll defer to the chairs to judge whether more is needed here and can change the PR as required. Commit: 029d7294a27ff24dd6f027bba50feb0b289b871f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/029d7294a27ff24dd6f027bba50feb0b289b871f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-19 (Wed, 19 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- SHOULD ECN Commit: 81997cff08fd13b598b532cfb9adb83ef27089b9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/81997cff08fd13b598b532cfb9adb83ef27089b9 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-18 (Tue, 18 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' into ecn_reqs Commit: 2941ecca0823f0f6fcda1930bd120824f616841d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2941ecca0823f0f6fcda1930bd120824f616841d Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-12-18 (Tue, 18 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- editorial nit Commit: 4d7ec17e12cacc79665388837f4fc9d485a8d121 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4d7ec17e12cacc79665388837f4fc9d485a8d121 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-18 (Tue, 18 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2201 from ekr/ecn_reqs Make the ECN requirements match the the discussion in #2156. 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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think the way we would get there is to make Initial/Handshake/0-RTT subsections of one section that defines some common fields after the long header. 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I think the way we would get there is to make Initial/Handshake/0-RTT subsections of one section that defines some common fields after the long header. The "longer" header?

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----==_mimepart_5c19846e84c0a_4cc83f92588d45bc107943-- From nobody Tue Dec 18 15:36:26 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55A46131244 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 15:36:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.964 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.964 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4zR5-jzHz5ym for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 15:36:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from m69-169.mailgun.net (m69-169.mailgun.net [166.78.69.169]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2CC001311F4 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 15:36:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1545176172; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=Wv4eO3HRNjCwO+xfXw0hvtWPwX1bVaRdcW/eTCX/7mQ=; b=gvUwgTU19T8slAPALGXF0sexweNKyjy15txBzIWfGJAjeSXGYWNPFWTGYSfyXymy93yr3sy2 RI/AmnP2nVyh+BMLsUqusahELIuTci24Kxure5JGZeXwB60BhR+O2DB1FYh1oB1dwP5DMuA8 6pzCzyD3tQ+LnDTBXOqJtXelVYE= X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.69.169 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Sender: mbishop=evequefou.be@github.com Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.39]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 5c19846b.7f0769361cf0-smtp-out-n01; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 23:36:11 -0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 15:36:10 -0800 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: Mike Bishop To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5c19846a66f90_5ed52ae6d5d56588850b7@hookshot-fe-da92815.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 1b928f: Discard Initial keys as soon as possible Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c19846a66bc8_5ed52ae6d5d56588849d0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 23:36:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c19846a66bc8_5ed52ae6d5d56588849d0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Branch: refs/heads/transport/packet-types Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 1b928f21b3b50aecf271fdda148c693b660edca5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1b928f21b3b50aecf271fd= da148c693b660edca5 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-23 (Fri, 23 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Discard Initial keys as soon as possible Closes #1951. Commit: 651f0ef36217eb3ac6ca74fa6b79a23674abc22f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/651f0ef36217eb3ac6ca74= fa6b79a23674abc22f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-28 (Wed, 28 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add mention of discarding Initial to transport Commit: 1c76c90291b4c132cf53feb91dc0de5cb89a6847 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1c76c90291b4c132cf53fe= b91dc0de5cb89a6847 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-28 (Wed, 28 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add more stuff to transport about CRYPTO discards Commit: 98feded4a7630c7c0b6cfd47066d671706d1c25b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/98feded4a7630c7c0b6cfd= 47066d671706d1c25b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-28 (Wed, 28 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- when Commit: 5069203066a8a5302f60cbfe215d940dd4c4f9d8 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5069203066a8a5302f60cb= fe215d940dd4c4f9d8 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-05 (Wed, 05 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Tweaks based on review feedback Commit: 79e16843a1f092a07efa6e72a3c40842a1f83a12 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/79e16843a1f092a07efa6e= 72a3c40842a1f83a12 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-12 (Wed, 12 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Ian's review Commit: 91041eaf771e1dbfd27b38eeeeb3196b0ab974ce https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/91041eaf771e1dbfd27b38= eeeeb3196b0ab974ce Author: Bence B=C3=A9ky Date: 2018-12-12 (Wed, 12 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md Log Message: ----------- Rearrange paragraphs. This commits only moves paragraphs around in whole. Paragraphs are not edited, redacted, broken up or joined. In addition, a new section "Eviction" is added. Commit: 6dac31c71066a4d868fe516f902ea75c59cc014d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6dac31c71066a4d868fe51= 6f902ea75c59cc014d Author: Bence B=C3=A9ky Date: 2018-12-12 (Wed, 12 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md Log Message: ----------- Rearrange sentences. This commit breaks up and rejoints paragraphs and changes the order of sentences. No sentence is modified, redacted, omitted, or added. Commit: c1e4f68e43ddc9e1ef55eee4975952cfcc450b39 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c1e4f68e43ddc9e1ef55ee= e4975952cfcc450b39 Author: Bence B=C3=A9ky Date: 2018-12-12 (Wed, 12 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md Log Message: ----------- Editorial bikesheding. Commit: e41defb7113eac41aa02ef6119690f595c1bd463 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e41defb7113eac41aa02ef= 6119690f595c1bd463 Author: Benjamin Saunders Date: 2018-12-12 (Wed, 12 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Process ECN before forgetting newly acked packets Commit: a90fb86a36d7582637ee093a61dae3c0fa216d45 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a90fb86a36d7582637ee09= 3a61dae3c0fa216d45 Author: Igor Lubashev Date: 2018-12-13 (Thu, 13 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Do not allow ICMP PTB to increase PMTU Commit: 659bb52e170fc6859a4e771704beefbf7a840f41 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/659bb52e170fc6859a4e77= 1704beefbf7a840f41 Author: Benjamin Saunders Date: 2018-12-13 (Thu, 13 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Clarify use of largest_acked_packet Commit: 8d344bd9b1e0b8fb390c7c606d0fb0f8d1b7747b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8d344bd9b1e0b8fb390c7c= 606d0fb0f8d1b7747b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-14 (Fri, 14 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- The first Initial needs to fit into a single IP packet Not sure if this needs to address IP fragmentation. Commit: 6b3b9882b5807709a294f30d261ca95c5519f151 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6b3b9882b5807709a294f3= 0d261ca95c5519f151 Author: Igor Lubashev Date: 2018-12-14 (Fri, 14 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Do not talk about ignoring ICMP that increases PMTU. Talk about disallo= wing PMTU increases. Commit: c96dda790322376f29f72b7e70320565d7b80059 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c96dda790322376f29f72b= 7e70320565d7b80059 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2018-12-14 (Fri, 14 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Editorial fixes to ECN text Commit: 6df0e3a33ae263ff6b719c6634ba6d0963ddb83e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6df0e3a33ae263ff6b719c= 6634ba6d0963ddb83e Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2018-12-16 (Sun, 16 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Allow alternate restarts after idle Commit: b866ed6f97c9559ea5bf5c1479096d8edcc02b5d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b866ed6f97c9559ea5bf5c= 1479096d8edcc02b5d Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2018-12-16 (Sun, 16 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- restructure Commit: a326fecbd2945809f20848dc0901ab55eef409f7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a326fecbd2945809f20848= dc0901ab55eef409f7 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-17 (Mon, 17 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Also applies after Retry Commit: 9d20ea501c0c72ffe593af6179ebbdad9d2abf87 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9d20ea501c0c72ffe593af= 6179ebbdad9d2abf87 Author: EKR Date: 2018-12-17 (Mon, 17 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Make the ECN requirements match the the discussion in #2156. Fixes #215= 6 1. Implementations are free to enable sending or not. 2, Implementations MAY read the ECN code points if they can and send ECN ACKs. 3. Implementations MUST accept the 0x03 ACK type and if they are sending ECN SHOULD use the ECN section. I recognize that some people want to have stronger language here, based on this discussion I think this is where we are. I'll defer to the chairs to judge whether more is needed here and can change the PR as required. Commit: 2863e0145e373c15c0a477121eb1887c9136d48c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2863e0145e373c15c0a477= 121eb1887c9136d48c Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2018-12-17 (Mon, 17 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fix Handshake's type number Commit: 2133100198ca6801ec4c2f2caa3e0f62d8995efe https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2133100198ca6801ec4c2f= 2caa3e0f62d8995efe Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-17 (Mon, 17 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Co-Authored-By: janaiyengar Commit: 2bbc1fffd379f3a6abe6b373105d9a122322f739 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2bbc1fffd379f3a6abe6b3= 73105d9a122322f739 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-17 (Mon, 17 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Co-Authored-By: janaiyengar Commit: 6fdb947a4e20302cbb882154addf0cae03c66a9d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6fdb947a4e20302cbb8821= 54addf0cae03c66a9d Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2018-12-17 (Mon, 17 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- more changes Commit: f79c3c47d13a6805e0889ce499235cd82a4ed03f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f79c3c47d13a6805e0889c= e499235cd82a4ed03f Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-12-17 (Mon, 17 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Ack-eliciting, not inflight (#2117) * ack-eliciting, not inflight * more outstanding Commit: 3e6464fa57c0b993bb2f481a6e1b8a71df2c765f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3e6464fa57c0b993bb2f48= 1a6e1b8a71df2c765f Author: Bence B=C3=A9ky Date: 2018-12-18 (Tue, 18 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md Log Message: ----------- Swap eviction and max table size sections. Commit: 527acc3255b7e4a75ba6e940b95033716b1db56c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/527acc3255b7e4a75ba6e9= 40b95033716b1db56c Author: Dmitri Tikhonov Date: 2018-12-18 (Tue, 18 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md Log Message: ----------- Fix QPACK-04 changelog: add two non-editorial changes (#2102) * Fix QPACK-04 changelog: add two non-editorial changes * Fix previous commit: #2005 is not in -04 Commit: adfc4a0d1dd6e4b8f819f97b30fa5f563af351d3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/adfc4a0d1dd6e4b8f819f9= 7b30fa5f563af351d3 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2018-12-18 (Tue, 18 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- becomes Commit: 8fc07a1f704e7ecdaf109e5a8b7b37eb5ccb753f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8fc07a1f704e7ecdaf109e= 5a8b7b37eb5ccb753f Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-12-18 (Tue, 18 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2202 from quicwg/transport/fix-packet-type Fix Handshake's type number Commit: e4adeb1d5d4d52e21d2efa986c844f7a631db93e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e4adeb1d5d4d52e21d2efa= 986c844f7a631db93e Author: afrind Date: 2018-12-18 (Tue, 18 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md Log Message: ----------- Reorder some text around dynamic table size (#2134) * Rearrange paragraphs. This commits only moves paragraphs around in whole. Paragraphs are not edited, redacted, broken up or joined. In addition, a new section "Eviction" is added. * Rearrange sentences. This commit breaks up and rejoints paragraphs and changes the order of sentences. No sentence is modified, redacted, omitted, or added. * Editorial bikesheding. * Swap eviction and max table size sections. Commit: 061cba3809316d79735e552e0d0364d0275530df https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/061cba3809316d79735e55= 2e0d0364d0275530df Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2018-12-18 (Tue, 18 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- comments Commit: 63c098721d71fe81f19e2e86a8c569514cfd23ed https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/63c098721d71fe81f19e2e= 86a8c569514cfd23ed Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-12-18 (Tue, 18 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2189 from quicwg/ecn Editorial fixes to ECN text Commit: 1053a1f9b9f027f22b142fb321eb149281f623ed https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1053a1f9b9f027f22b142f= b321eb149281f623ed Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2018-12-18 (Tue, 18 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- simpler Commit: 114abbd1a0002c82db118f6392090852e5f6d4d0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/114abbd1a0002c82db118f= 6392090852e5f6d4d0 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-12-18 (Tue, 18 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2183 from quicwg/first-single-ip-packet The first Initial needs to fit into a single IP packet Commit: 357f53bd6de9d7b33838f427efe35e72f1853a60 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/357f53bd6de9d7b33838f4= 27efe35e72f1853a60 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-18 (Tue, 18 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' into abandon-initial Commit: ad1ed06e257fe39d4fdbe5ff4c663e5fd40b2863 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ad1ed06e257fe39d4fdbe5= ff4c663e5fd40b2863 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-19 (Wed, 19 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add changelog entry Commit: b68b46f3b2123dc4a71950a34416737789445b12 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b68b46f3b2123dc4a71950= a34416737789445b12 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-12-18 (Tue, 18 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2187 from quicwg/cwv Allow alternate restarts after idle Commit: e7668328adb1a0b6a27a6dac76d539797597a046 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e7668328adb1a0b6a27a6d= ac76d539797597a046 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-19 (Wed, 19 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Changelog for #2045 Commit: 8fa3bf5283e9bd6df2b3cae3db44237e80b472e3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8fa3bf5283e9bd6df2b3ca= e3db44237e80b472e3 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-12-18 (Tue, 18 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' into ack-cleanup Commit: 16d116db3124043a7dda0e6d25672e5c83beb35f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/16d116db3124043a7dda0e= 6d25672e5c83beb35f Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-12-18 (Tue, 18 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2140 from Ralith/ack-cleanup Clarify OnAckReceived pseudocode Commit: 029d7294a27ff24dd6f027bba50feb0b289b871f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/029d7294a27ff24dd6f027= bba50feb0b289b871f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-19 (Wed, 19 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- SHOULD ECN Commit: 81997cff08fd13b598b532cfb9adb83ef27089b9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/81997cff08fd13b598b532= cfb9adb83ef27089b9 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-18 (Tue, 18 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' into ecn_reqs Commit: 2941ecca0823f0f6fcda1930bd120824f616841d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2941ecca0823f0f6fcda19= 30bd120824f616841d Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-12-18 (Tue, 18 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- editorial nit Commit: 4d7ec17e12cacc79665388837f4fc9d485a8d121 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4d7ec17e12cacc79665388= 837f4fc9d485a8d121 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-18 (Tue, 18 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2201 from ekr/ecn_reqs Make the ECN requirements match the the discussion in #2156. Fixes #2156 Commit: 8f01e3eac91cea9d4a9f3444fb146cba4b4afd3a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8f01e3eac91cea9d4a9f34= 44fb146cba4b4afd3a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-18 (Tue, 18 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2161 from igorlord/pmtu-do-not-increase Do not allow ICMP PTB to increase PMTU Commit: b95b9983e267adda33329970f055363db8b014eb https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b95b9983e267adda333299= 70f055363db8b014eb Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-12-18 (Tue, 18 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2142 from Ralith/process-ecn Process ECN before forgetting newly acked packets Commit: ec3b889b8085abb5ce58f93dc5e19eb0cbab2567 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ec3b889b8085abb5ce58f9= 3dc5e19eb0cbab2567 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2018-12-18 (Tue, 18 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Ian's requested change Commit: 7ba873e8504a35bd8da009967f211c7b535a8301 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7ba873e8504a35bd8da009= 967f211c7b535a8301 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2018-12-18 (Tue, 18 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/master' into transport/packet-type= s Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/dd515b6e7dd9...7ba= 873e8504a **NOTE:** This service has been marked for deprecation: https://dev= eloper.github.com/changes/2018-04-25-github-services-deprecation/ Functionality will be removed from GitHub.com on January 31st, 2019= . ----==_mimepart_5c19846a66bc8_5ed52ae6d5d56588849d0-- From nobody Tue Dec 18 15:36:31 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49C711311F4 for ; 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----==_mimepart_5c19853f769c9_4cd03f92588d45bc1147b8-- From nobody Tue Dec 18 15:42:28 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DA34131220 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 15:42:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.964 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.964 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8YJZB-igC13N for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 15:42:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from m71-131.mailgun.net (m71-131.mailgun.net [166.78.71.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C6C0512958B for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 15:42:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1545176543; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=ZT2zwlkaaUvSWDEQWkjgtXCLem7i/sE07KDC56kzS4U=; b=bMK6+hpVj+7aEHiAfO2upWT/1UKnbZRHwjB9IaZvjgb2R/Uotgt7ngnL8V7ruYHJDiS6uYgZ U5/XFESWvHyvLLxHVaryC+TG1DCa0fqKgNCjk8wNwjCl8f3a/lTLj7rNeRAkTnMgpF4ZCXUK hDHUaqqPx8AtcxUNQSvxeum7qGg= X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.71.131 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Sender: mt=lowentropy.net@github.com Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.39]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 5c1985df.7f09323620c0-smtp-out-n03; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 23:42:23 -0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 15:42:22 -0800 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5c1985de60763_5d8e2abec6e0e570835@hookshot-fe-da92815.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 99e488: clarify that old keys should always be dropped Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c1985de60303_5d8e2abec6e0e57082a7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 23:42:27 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c1985de60303_5d8e2abec6e0e57082a7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 99e488afefcca585bb4eff639430c273457605e7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/99e488afefcca585bb4eff639430c273457605e7 Author: Marten Seemann Date: 2018-12-15 (Sat, 15 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- clarify that old keys should always be dropped Commit: 74ea30bb75b3edf5511cdf9ad3fe1eaf7eb1bad8 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/74ea30bb75b3edf5511cdf9ad3fe1eaf7eb1bad8 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-17 (Mon, 17 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Key discard requirements Tweak text a little to remove redundancy. Add a stronger recommendation about what "short period" means (see quicwg#2172). Closes quicwg#2172. Commit: ab1cdf44338acefa34583d7f0d9159681602002d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ab1cdf44338acefa34583d7f0d9159681602002d Author: Marten Seemann Date: 2018-12-17 (Mon, 17 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1 from quicwg/drop-old Key discard requirements Commit: bf27237f946cae8e0f5dfa81c60b12caa0c70ba4 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/bf27237f946cae8e0f5dfa81c60b12caa0c70ba4 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-18 (Tue, 18 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Probe Timeout/PTO Commit: b76fe897bdd326b46677bce971b4a59e23f47699 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b76fe897bdd326b46677bce971b4a59e23f47699 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-18 (Tue, 18 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2191 from marten-seemann/drop-old-keys clarify that old keys should always be dropped Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/eb8804f770b0...b76fe897bdd3 **NOTE:** This service has been marked for deprecation: https://developer.github.com/changes/2018-04-25-github-services-deprecation/ Functionality will be removed from GitHub.com on January 31st, 2019. ----==_mimepart_5c1985de60303_5d8e2abec6e0e57082a7-- From nobody Tue Dec 18 15:42:36 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44CA812958B for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 15:42:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.447 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.447 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G4fpMPC2euak for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 15:42:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-13.smtp.github.com (out-13.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EB6201311F4 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 15:42:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 15:42:25 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1545176545; bh=AAqvwIDdio+BKTZCAnm8TkU/VGlAMTZFPsZteZZYl20=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=EZL6EwiVw2WceVWlm6wx5NhYekzrDrrtCAvO80FP2xjX0gUBCKuDPzc+BH36hZ81K u7S8aXTyM0wTyALs+l3uqsSE0Lnuev+bw7aWgBjNWRwpbEHOnOOn1rd0pCl8fnT2l5 C7QU7YRq4SHK+1DBUn4UOWJ8UoPsA9xDazhnKDUM= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] clarify that old keys should always be dropped (#2191) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c1985e14e7c4_37f73fbaa26d45c412442c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 23:42:28 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c1985e14e7c4_37f73fbaa26d45c412442c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merged #2191 into master. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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1789:Retransmittion Timeout (RTO) as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}} is RECOMMENDED.
2182:(RTO) interval as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.
2253:draining state before the packets arrive. If a peer could timeout within an RTO

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I wanted to ensure that we don't set the timer based on in-flight. This PR doesn't do that... and this PR is correct. I'll merge.

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----==_mimepart_5c1987c873c61_50403fa5040d45c482069-- From nobody Tue Dec 18 15:50:44 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73127131219 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 15:50:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.996 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.996 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KC3441723oa1 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 15:50:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from m69-170.mailgun.net (m69-170.mailgun.net [166.78.69.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1CFB81311F4 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 15:50:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1545177040; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=YgXf69zK7XZDaweGcNDoLNEv4Z7YeohSdV09yDHtw/s=; b=NVvG9qQNFYbXikk8zN6stxHBl7kIU+yEfuXYGSXHUo31FSINzDAzPeSLoH+zSwI+reVcPyxQ PIKsecHB2n0VZVs8D/Qpi7bpgZl7OnDeLHNdI7ppeHaOzKhS3bb0A6NRjpr/vU4wEsyxJoQa +iVdcFEbOLto0QWr+Mrh2WDmK9c= X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.69.170 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Sender: jri.ietf=gmail.com@github.com Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.39]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 5c1987cf.7fb528ad9750-smtp-out-n03; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 23:50:39 -0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 15:50:38 -0800 From: janaiyengar Reply-To: janaiyengar To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5c1987ce1a9a6_6f6d2af366e3458485125@hookshot-fe-31feec6.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 46486d: Make in_flight the criterion for declaring loss Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c1987ce1a4cb_6f6d2af366e3458485017"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 23:50:43 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c1987ce1a4cb_6f6d2af366e3458485017 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 46486dc1191b0ca0f08203597dde6d419e466bf0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/46486dc1191b0ca0f08203597dde6d419e466bf0 Author: martinduke Date: 2018-12-06 (Thu, 06 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Make in_flight the criterion for declaring loss If a packet contains just ACKs and PADDING, it is not retransmittable but must be declared lost to free up the congestion window space. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2841,23 +2841,24 @@ needing acknowledgement are received.  The sender can use the receiver's
 Strategies and implications of the frequency of generating acknowledgments are
 discussed in more detail in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.
 
-To limit ACK Blocks to those that have not yet been received by the sender, the
-receiver SHOULD track which ACK frames have been acknowledged by its peer.  Once
-an ACK frame has been acknowledged, the packets it acknowledges SHOULD NOT be
-acknowledged again.
+To limit the ranges of acknowledged packet numbers to those that have not yet
+been received by the sender, the receiver SHOULD track which ACK frames have
+been acknowledged by its peer.  Once an ACK frame has been acknowledged, the
+packets it acknowledges SHOULD NOT be acknowledged again.

... Once an ACK frame has been acknowledged, it is RECOMMENDED to not repeat acknowledgement of the same packets whenever this can reduce the overall size of the next ACK frame.

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Also, we have to set a minimum for the path validation timout. Suggest kInitialRtt*3.

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9/8 RTT for loss detection might be to aggressive in some cases, unless the intention is to retransmit defensively.

On occasion Denmark->Beijing ping runs stable at 211ms RTT in 7 out of 10 packets with the rest begin 280+ms, in other cases timing is all over the place, like below

ping -c10 xiaomi.cn
PING xiaomi.cn (58.83.160.156): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 58.83.160.156: icmp_seq=0 ttl=44 time=211.440 ms
64 bytes from 58.83.160.156: icmp_seq=1 ttl=44 time=446.901 ms
64 bytes from 58.83.160.156: icmp_seq=2 ttl=44 time=368.392 ms
64 bytes from 58.83.160.156: icmp_seq=3 ttl=44 time=211.281 ms
64 bytes from 58.83.160.156: icmp_seq=4 ttl=44 time=511.985 ms
64 bytes from 58.83.160.156: icmp_seq=5 ttl=44 time=213.076 ms
64 bytes from 58.83.160.156: icmp_seq=6 ttl=44 time=320.433 ms
64 bytes from 58.83.160.156: icmp_seq=7 ttl=44 time=572.960 ms
64 bytes from 58.83.160.156: icmp_seq=8 ttl=44 time=493.316 ms
64 bytes from 58.83.160.156: icmp_seq=9 ttl=44 time=412.027 ms

--- xiaomi.cn ping statistics ---
10 packets transmitted, 10 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 211.281/376.181/572.960/126.994 ms

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MikeBishop commented on this pull request. > @@ -2658,7 +2663,7 @@ level and can only be acknowledged in Handshake packets. This enforces cryptographic separation between the data sent in the different packet sequence number spaces. Each packet number space starts at packet number -0. Subsequent packets sent in the same packet number space MUST increase the +1. Subsequent packets sent in the same packet number space MUST increase the I think it's actually that it's `\d+\.` at the beginning of the line, and it's trying to normalize a numbered list. I've considered trying to either insert or delete a word in that sentence, but.... -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2203#discussion_r242755724 ----==_mimepart_5c1990f58909_26573fd4aacd45c421530 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2658,7 +2663,7 @@ level and can only be acknowledged in Handshake packets.
 
 This enforces cryptographic separation between the data sent in the different
 packet sequence number spaces.  Each packet number space starts at packet number
-0.  Subsequent packets sent in the same packet number space MUST increase the
+1.  Subsequent packets sent in the same packet number space MUST increase the

I think it's actually that it's \d+\. at the beginning of the line, and it's trying to normalize a numbered list. I've considered trying to either insert or delete a word in that sentence, but....

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> -requests or responses are first permitted to be sent. For clients using 0-RTT
-data in HTTP/3, the table size is the remembered value of the setting, even if
-the server later specifies a larger maximum in its SETTINGS frame.  For HTTP/3
-servers and HTTP/3 clients when 0-RTT is not attempted or is rejected, the
-initial maximum table size is the value of the setting in the peer's SETTINGS
-frame.
+The initial dynamic table capacity is the value of the maximum dynamic table
+capacity when HTTP requests or responses are first permitted to be sent.  For
+HTTP/3 servers and HTTP/3 clients when 0-RTT is not attempted or is rejected,
+the initial maximum table capacity is zero.  For clients using 0-RTT data in
+HTTP/3, the initial table capacity is the remembered value of the setting, even
+if the server later specifies a different maximum dynamic table capacity in its
+SETTINGS frame.  It is not an error for the SETTINGS frame to contain a
+SETTINGS_MAXIMUM_DYNAMIC_TABLE_CAPACITY value lower than the initial table
+capacity on a 0-RTT connection; the maximum dynamic table capacity only limits
+subsequent table capacity changes.  However, if an endpoint receives a

Yes, just forbid reductions. It's simpler.

I don't like this because I think that it means that I have to send a capacity update instruction, which I don't currently, but that's my problem.

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It's recommended as 9/8 * max(SRTT, latest_RTT). So this means a pack= et sent more than 1/8 RTT prior to the current packet must be acknowledge= d.

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I updated this to be a clarifying example, which I think is more helpful than re-iterating the previous sentence. PTAL.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -102,7 +102,9 @@ In-flight:
 
 : Packets are considered in-flight when they have been sent
   and neither acknowledged nor declared lost, and they are not
-  ACK-only.
+  ACK-only.  For example, packets containing STREAM frames are

I think that the "for example" is missing context. Perhaps:

: Packets are considered in-flight when they have been sent and neither acknowledged nor declared lost. ACK-only packets are not considered in-flight, though all other packets are, including packets that contain data that would not otherwise be sent again, such as a packet containing only STREAM frames for a reset stream.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -102,7 +102,9 @@ In-flight:
 
 : Packets are considered in-flight when they have been sent
   and neither acknowledged nor declared lost, and they are not
-  ACK-only.
+  ACK-only.  For example, packets containing STREAM frames are

That works for me. @janaiyengar what do you think?

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Using the insert count is much more natural, even if it means the encoding is a little strange and a tiny bit inefficient (it goes 0, 2, 3, ..., Max-1, 1, 2, ...). I've gone through and put the references on the boundary between records, which makes explanations much easier for post-base indexing in my view. I've renamed Base Index (which was never really an index) to Base, which matches that change. Similarly, renaming Largest Known Received to Known Received Count makes it match better. There are also examples added to Insert Count and Base sections. These definitions are pretty damned opaque without them. Commit: a10d39bd4520c538b9f93f902159e3feb22acfaa https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a10d39bd4520c538b9f93f902159e3feb22acfaa Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-19 (Wed, 19 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md Log Message: ----------- Self-review fixes Commit: 3d0541546f3984836250f4021fd796bdcb2bfd38 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3d0541546f3984836250f4021fd796bdcb2bfd38 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-19 (Wed, 19 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md Log Message: ----------- Missing colon Commit: 4745b0667cc8fe73adfaed70482a664b5470103e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4745b0667cc8fe73adfaed70482a664b5470103e Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-19 (Wed, 19 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md Log Message: ----------- Rewrite some of the thorny pieces Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/7e7d7b5e7d74...4745b0667cc8 **NOTE:** This service has been marked for deprecation: https://developer.github.com/changes/2018-04-25-github-services-deprecation/ Functionality will be removed from GitHub.com on January 31st, 2019. ----==_mimepart_5c19c034f2062_62572ab9d421459071636-- From nobody Tue Dec 18 19:56:20 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A728F12D84D for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 19:56:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.065 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.065 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y_PTbVx9YBr4 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 19:56:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-11.smtp.github.com (out-11.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 413621276D0 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 19:56:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 19:56:15 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1545191775; bh=81y51pNuy+o/WfmW8pY3otZtOxYRluv0mT0Levij6SE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=eFqpnCzzFjFy5H0/Qg40KcprSPpl5yArQONfCm/7A0V2+lrDHlYgMLiJlQXVreLxj WOAm05h/ontXBHy59dH/fGtRsZ2BdAmSS3i5WIz4KgfMKucms2hZZygl8XTXC+vPrE 9sjXuO8LNvUyuMwNnfVaky8Lotp3ZQxTNQVmWYQw= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Use "Insert Count" rather than "Largest Reference" (#2111) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c19c15f6dc81_63913fab9d8d45b8126240"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 03:56:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c19c15f6dc81_63913fab9d8d45b8126240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. We never say whether we are using 0-based or 1-based indexing, but in using the term, we implicitly established that we use 1-based indexing. Except that the draft is inconsistent throughout. The static table starts at 0, relative indexing is 0-based (ish), but the largest reference is implicitly 1-based. If I want to refer to the first entry, I send a 1. That's very confusing. To me at least, maybe because I didn't ever internalize the bizarre internal logic that drove HPACK. Changing to a count means that this is not relevant. The indexing we do in the draft is all 0-based, as it should be. But then there is less of a dependency on that because we're counting, not indexing, in the trickiest part. > In order to identify which dynamic table entries can be safely used without a stream becoming blocked, the encoder tracks the absolute index of the -decoder's Largest Known Received entry. +decoder's Known Received Count entry. I failed to update this text. I will do that. > n = count of entries inserted d = count of entries dropped ~~~~~ {: title="Example Dynamic Table Indexing - Control Stream"} Because frames from request streams can be delivered out of order with -instructions on the encoder stream, relative indices are relative to the Base -Index at the beginning of the header block (see {{header-prefix}}). The Base -Index is an absolute index. When interpreting the rest of the frame, the entry -identified by Base Index has a relative index of zero. The relative indices of -entries do not change while interpreting headers on a request or push stream. +instructions on the encoder stream, relative indices are relative to the Base at +the beginning of the header block (see {{header-prefix}}). The Base is encoded +as a value relative to the Insert Count, so it can be expressed as the number of +entries inserted. The dynamic table entries up to the Base can be referenced. Yeah, I tried to fix this without changing it too much and that turned out badly. I've a rewrite for you. > n = count of entries inserted d = count of entries dropped ~~~~~ {: title="Example Dynamic Table Indexing - Control Stream"} Because frames from request streams can be delivered out of order with -instructions on the encoder stream, relative indices are relative to the Base -Index at the beginning of the header block (see {{header-prefix}}). The Base -Index is an absolute index. When interpreting the rest of the frame, the entry -identified by Base Index has a relative index of zero. The relative indices of -entries do not change while interpreting headers on a request or push stream. +instructions on the encoder stream, relative indices are relative to the Base at +the beginning of the header block (see {{header-prefix}}). The Base is encoded +as a value relative to the Insert Count, so it can be expressed as the number of +entries inserted. The dynamic table entries up to the Base can be referenced. +The most recently inserted entry within the limit set by the Base has a relative +index of 0. + +Though new entries could be added while processing a header block, the relative +indices of entries do not change. I was referring to parallel processing. My implementation allows for that possibility. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2111#pullrequestreview-186377587 ----==_mimepart_5c19c15f6dc81_63913fab9d8d45b8126240 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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We never say whether we are using 0-based or 1-based indexing, but in using the term, we implicitly established that we use 1-based indexing. Except that the draft is inconsistent throughout. The static table starts at 0, relative indexing is 0-based (ish), but the largest reference is implicitly 1-based. If I want to refer to the first entry, I send a 1.

That's very confusing. To me at least, maybe because I didn't ever internalize the bizarre internal logic that drove HPACK.

Changing to a count means that this is not relevant. The indexing we do in the draft is all 0-based, as it should be. But then there is less of a dependency on that because we're counting, not indexing, in the trickiest part.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  
 In order to identify which dynamic table entries can be safely used
 without a stream becoming blocked, the encoder tracks the absolute index of the
-decoder's Largest Known Received entry.
+decoder's Known Received Count entry.

I failed to update this text. I will do that.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  
 n = count of entries inserted
 d = count of entries dropped
 ~~~~~
 {: title="Example Dynamic Table Indexing - Control Stream"}
 
 Because frames from request streams can be delivered out of order with
-instructions on the encoder stream, relative indices are relative to the Base
-Index at the beginning of the header block (see {{header-prefix}}). The Base
-Index is an absolute index. When interpreting the rest of the frame, the entry
-identified by Base Index has a relative index of zero.  The relative indices of
-entries do not change while interpreting headers on a request or push stream.
+instructions on the encoder stream, relative indices are relative to the Base at
+the beginning of the header block (see {{header-prefix}}). The Base is encoded
+as a value relative to the Insert Count, so it can be expressed as the number of
+entries inserted. The dynamic table entries up to the Base can be referenced.

Yeah, I tried to fix this without changing it too much and that turned out badly. I've a rewrite for you.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  
 n = count of entries inserted
 d = count of entries dropped
 ~~~~~
 {: title="Example Dynamic Table Indexing - Control Stream"}
 
 Because frames from request streams can be delivered out of order with
-instructions on the encoder stream, relative indices are relative to the Base
-Index at the beginning of the header block (see {{header-prefix}}). The Base
-Index is an absolute index. When interpreting the rest of the frame, the entry
-identified by Base Index has a relative index of zero.  The relative indices of
-entries do not change while interpreting headers on a request or push stream.
+instructions on the encoder stream, relative indices are relative to the Base at
+the beginning of the header block (see {{header-prefix}}). The Base is encoded
+as a value relative to the Insert Count, so it can be expressed as the number of
+entries inserted. The dynamic table entries up to the Base can be referenced.
+The most recently inserted entry within the limit set by the Base has a relative
+index of 0.
+
+Though new entries could be added while processing a header block, the relative
+indices of entries do not change.

I was referring to parallel processing. My implementation allows for that possibility.

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----==_mimepart_5c19c15f6dc81_63913fab9d8d45b8126240-- From nobody Tue Dec 18 20:02:16 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4270512D84D for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 20:02:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.447 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.447 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2h2_4BDgXz55 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 20:02:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 84FA01276D0 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 20:02:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 20:02:12 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1545192132; bh=uc/zxEiovItZEfyo0TXGBL/igYb/mA2ILfp92nCupHs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=CC3psf+LfebEQC5EpiM/frE6Tj/5twHd0/76/oaTwi9Y92ekeNgo6+/6JjT7XZuhT 8Uaa47bjpWK7XyF6OXoT/Ee7XcHwkAD3WiYKZ0E+SVvKFaA1yxi7rIJw/NRmd0I5Ty 67G0BKIyPCGotOd92jZnOGDUHH/1KPn/xSCpQfCA= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Prevent an unlikely deadlock (#1965) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c19c2c47408f_74473fe3c7ed45b411349f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 04:02:15 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c19c2c47408f_74473fe3c7ed45b411349f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Given if there is something to be sent, I don't think this is a deadlock, I'm inclined to close this PR, both because it's old and I'm not convinced it's a practical issue. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1965#issuecomment-448462126 ----==_mimepart_5c19c2c47408f_74473fe3c7ed45b411349f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Given if there is something to be sent, I don't think this is a deadlock, I'm inclined to close this PR, both because it's old and I'm not convinced it's a practical issue.

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You should move the 0-RTT packet numbers section to here and remove the TODO. > @@ -3338,6 +3342,52 @@ then a packet containing a 16-bit value of 0x9b32 will be decoded as 0xa82f9b32. Example pseudo-code for packet number decoding can be found in {{sample-packet-number-decoding}}. +### Starting Packet Numbers I don't think that we need this still, but absent analysis, this can be moved under the Initial packet section. > -~~~ +~~~~~ ```suggestion ~~~ ``` > @@ -3795,119 +3819,84 @@ Handshake encryption level is discarded - and no longer retransmitted - when Handshake protection keys are discarded. -## Retry Packet {#packet-retry} - -A Retry packet uses a long packet header with a type value of 0x3. It carries -an address validation token created by the server. It is used by a server that -wishes to perform a stateless retry (see {{validate-handshake}}). +## Short Header Packet {#short-header} I'm assuming that the diff here looks terrible because it's moved text, not changed text. > +: The length of the remainder of the packet (that is, the Packet Number and + Payload fields) in bytes, encoded as a variable-length integer + ({{integer-encoding}}). + +Packet Number: + +: The packet number field is 1 to 4 bytes long. The packet number has + confidentiality protection separate from packet protection, as described in + Section 5.4 of {{QUIC-TLS}}. The length of the packet number field is encoded + in the plaintext packet number. See {{packet-encoding}} for details. + +Payload: + +: The payload of the packet. + +### Initial Packet {#packet-initial} I think that we should use h2 for this. The section is a mix of "here is a common format" and "here is a specific instance of a common format", but I think that's tolerable. We would then have something like: ``` 17. Packet Formats 17.1. Packet Number Encoding and Decoding 17.2. Long Header Packets <-- note the extra 's' 17.3. Version Negotiation Packet 17.4. Retry Packet 17.5. Extended Long Header Packets 17.6. Initial Packet 17.6.1. Abandoning Initial Packets 17.6.2. Starting Packet Numbers 17.7. 0-RTT Protected Packet <-- extra 'Packet' 17.7.1. 0-RTT Packet Numbers 17.8. Handshake Packet 17.9. Short Header Packets <-- extra 's' ``` Does that work? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2203#pullrequestreview-186385869 ----==_mimepart_5c19cef44790e_23c33fbb2b4d45c43426cb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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>  The following packet types are defined:=0D=

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-|  0x1 | 0-RTT Protected               | {{packet-protected}}        |=0D=

+|  0x1 | 0-RTT Protected               | {{packet-0rtt}}        |=0D
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I think that this is right, but counting is hard.

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-|  0x1 | 0-RTT Protected               | {{pa=
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+|  0x1 | 0-RTT Protected               | {{packet-0rtt}}             |=0D=
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+See Sections 2.3 of {{!TLS13}} for a discussion of 0-RTT data and its=0D=

+limitations.=0D
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You should move the 0-RTT packet numbers section to here and remove th= e TODO.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> @@ -3338,6 +3342,52 @@ then a packet conta=
ining a 16-bit value of 0x9b32 will be decoded as 0xa82f9b32.=0D
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+### Starting Packet Numbers=0D
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I don't think that we need this still, but absent analysis, this can b= e moved under the Initial packet section.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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ion level is discarded - and no longer retransmitted - when=0D
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-## Retry Packet {#packet-retry}=0D
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-A Retry packet uses a long packet header with a type value of 0x3. It ca=
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-wishes to perform a stateless retry (see {{validate-handshake}}).=0D
+## Short Header Packet {#short-header}=0D
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I'm assuming that the diff here looks terrible because it's moved text= , not changed text.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> +: The length of the remainder of the pack=
et (that is, the Packet Number and=0D
+  Payload fields) in bytes, encoded as a variable-length integer=0D
+  ({{integer-encoding}}).=0D
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+: The packet number field is 1 to 4 bytes long. The packet number has=0D=

+  confidentiality protection separate from packet protection, as describ=
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+  Section 5.4 of {{QUIC-TLS}}. The length of the packet number field is =
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+  in the plaintext packet number. See {{packet-encoding}} for details.=0D=

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+: The payload of the packet.=0D
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I think that we should use h2 for this. The section is a mix of "here= is a common format" and "here is a specific instance of a common format"= , but I think that's tolerable. We would then have something like:

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    17.3. Version Negotiation Packet=0D
    17.4. Retry Packet=0D
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    17.6. Initial Packet=0D
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Does that work?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3981,6 +3979,12 @@ A client MUST NOT include an original connection ID, a stateless reset token, or
 a preferred address.  A server MUST treat receipt of any of these transport
 parameters as a connection error of type TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR.
 
+max_connection_ids (0x000e):
+
+: The maximum number of connection IDs that the peer is willing to store.
+  This value includes only connection IDs sent in NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames.

This leads to a weird corner case. If I send a max_connection_ids value of 0, then the connection ID used during the handshake would already overflow this limit. If I sent 1, and at the same time send the SPA, this would also overflow.
Limiting the counting to NCID frames avoids all these corner cases.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  An endpoint SHOULD ensure that its peer has a sufficient number of available and
-unused connection IDs.  While each endpoint independently chooses how many
-connection IDs to issue, endpoints SHOULD provide and maintain at least eight
-connection IDs.  The endpoint can do this by always supplying a new connection
-ID when a connection ID is retired by its peer or when the endpoint receives a
-packet with a previously unused connection ID.  Endpoints that initiate
-migration and require non-zero-length connection IDs SHOULD provide their peers
-with new connection IDs before migration, or risk the peer closing the
-connection.
+unused connection IDs. Endpoints store received connection IDs for future use.
+They advertise how many unretired connection IDs they are willing to store in
+the transport parameters. An endpoint MUST NOT provide more connection IDs than

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  An endpoint SHOULD ensure that its peer has a sufficient number of available and
-unused connection IDs.  While each endpoint independently chooses how many
-connection IDs to issue, endpoints SHOULD provide and maintain at least eight
-connection IDs.  The endpoint can do this by always supplying a new connection
-ID when a connection ID is retired by its peer or when the endpoint receives a
-packet with a previously unused connection ID.  Endpoints that initiate
-migration and require non-zero-length connection IDs SHOULD provide their peers
-with new connection IDs before migration, or risk the peer closing the
-connection.
+unused connection IDs. Endpoints store received connection IDs for future use.
+They advertise how many unretired connection IDs they are willing to store in
+the transport parameters. An endpoint MUST NOT provide more connection IDs than
+this limit. An endpoint MUST treat receipt of more than this number of
+connection IDs as an error of type CONNECTION_ID_LIMIT_ERROR. If an endpoint has
+provided its peer with the maximum number of connection IDs, the earliest time
+it can provide a new connection ID is when the peer retires a connection ID.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +: The length of the remainder of the packet (that is, the Packet Number and
+  Payload fields) in bytes, encoded as a variable-length integer
+  ({{integer-encoding}}).
+
+Packet Number:
+
+: The packet number field is 1 to 4 bytes long. The packet number has
+  confidentiality protection separate from packet protection, as described in
+  Section 5.4 of {{QUIC-TLS}}. The length of the packet number field is encoded
+  in the plaintext packet number. See {{packet-encoding}} for details.
+
+Payload:
+
+: The payload of the packet.
+
+### Initial Packet {#packet-initial}

I understand the desire not to move subsections below h3, but the mix of "format" and "instance" really just doesn't flow for me. But it does kind of match the rest of the document with the "grouped sections" motif, so maybe it's at least consistent.

(It's already contorted enough that VN is a long header packet, but not from this version and therefore absent from the type table.)

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3795,119 +3819,84 @@ Handshake encryption level is discarded - and no longer retransmitted - when
 Handshake protection keys are discarded.
 
 
-## Retry Packet {#packet-retry}
-
-A Retry packet uses a long packet header with a type value of 0x3. It carries
-an address validation token created by the server. It is used by a server that
-wishes to perform a stateless retry (see {{validate-handshake}}).
+## Short Header Packet {#short-header}

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----==_mimepart_5c19e17197d2_24753fe66d2d45b8748b5-- From nobody Tue Dec 18 22:13:16 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23F41130DFC for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 22:13:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.769 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.769 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FUZZY_CREDIT=1.678, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vJlsCqUrK-35 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 22:13:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D89612D84D for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 22:13:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 22:13:07 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1545199987; bh=ScanX/kNppUP3jXyMCNEeN6tCx7RJPckjbR6YM55U+o=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=XQawSc2JCDVfw1kWmjpaZgQD/AR8s+mlrGc/Xb858fgS+jVPo7A9F2+Q42YwcBS24 MO9uRkOAQ73cFvnERA9TEcxRJVbScdhKwW08972PaeNCsLvlqsPtbxxjamw/qnez3g ahnQwhvXYYnLVneQk6z5k1fIk3YnELOWP0NerOcU= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Ekr editorial 17 3 (#2164) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c19e1733dba4_3dfe3fefa8cd45c4579a9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 06:13:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c19e1733dba4_3dfe3fefa8cd45c4579a9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #2164. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2164#event-2034823812 ----==_mimepart_5c19e1733dba4_3dfe3fefa8cd45c4579a9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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The collapse of the congestion window (which used to happen after an RTO was verified) happens in CongestionEvent, if pto_count > kPersistentCongestionThreshold.
CongestionEvent is called from OnPacketsLost, which is called from DetectLostPackets, which in the case of a tail is only called when a new ACK is received from OnAckReceived. However, OnAckReceived resets the pto_count to 0 before calling DetectLostPackets, so the condition that leads to the collapse of the congestion window can never occur.

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I'm not sure if this is correct, but I think this would fix #2208.

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----==_mimepart_5c19e6592f1a5_40e73f8c6cad45c013976d-- From nobody Tue Dec 18 22:45:53 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F58312D84D for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 22:45:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.065 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.065 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RjglCjsjwxH3 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 22:45:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5DDAB124408 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 22:45:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 22:45:49 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1545201949; bh=x+20SH0IzXzRuZxTSlTzrPIUF7FtG+P3Qjpu2cmo+4U=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=CrAY6YenAc9QOI6W8YDft9aJ9LbKMmRUWRbaEzH9eWXSn5sujN3ncmy2fAD+CYUUH DUb7OgaoxnSJgTmCdIGu9dl2UYhRos1tOutpzvwz874RJxXf8T6SdSYNj/0hML/azp d9D8Z/fKNDuNOzOBx8wGsUUQvIdW6dtTyJwgWv5M= From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Prevent an unlikely deadlock (#1965) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c19e91d327d4_40d73f8c6cad45c025521b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 06:45:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c19e91d327d4_40d73f8c6cad45c025521b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @nibanks The simplest way for this to happen is that the first TLP timeout resends some data, and then the original is acked. Thus we have an in-flight packet (the retransmission) but the actual application data is already gone from the send buffer. The TLP timer will fire again, and there's nothing to send. @ianswett There are still some problems with the new text. The main practical impact is that we will delay declaring the last packet lost, meaning we won't free up the flightsize or execute a congestion response as quickly. I'm having a little trouble reasoning about the full implications of this for new data. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1965#issuecomment-448487557 ----==_mimepart_5c19e91d327d4_40d73f8c6cad45c025521b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@nibanks The simplest way for this to happen is that the fi= rst TLP timeout resends some data, and then the original is acked. Thus w= e have an in-flight packet (the retransmission) but the actual applicatio= n data is already gone from the send buffer.

The TLP timer will fire again, and there's nothing to send.

@ianswett There are still some problems with the new text.= The main practical impact is that we will delay declaring the last packe= t lost, meaning we won't free up the flightsize or execute a congestion r= esponse as quickly. I'm having a little trouble reasoning about the full = implications of this for new data.

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I think "MUST NOT" was the intention of #2187, not "MUST not".

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Marking as design, because it will affect interop if this is implemented as documented.

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Just looking at the code here, I think that there is another bug. Just above the fold is this:

     newly_acked_packets = DetermineNewlyAckedPackets(ack)
     if (newly_acked_packets.empty()):
       return

So if the ACK doesn't have new acknowledgments, which can happen, then this code is never run. But we rely on ACKs to drive the state machine.

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So the situation is that if one so far have ACKed: 1,2,3,6,7. Then if = 4,5 shows up at the receiver and it is going to ACK those, it must at lea= st send an ACK that contains 4,5 and 7, thus likely acking 4-7? It should= not be allowed to send an ACK saying 4, 5 in the above situation as that= doesn't indicate the receiver total progress, i.e. all the way to 7?

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Will this cause cause the ACK to be to large to include? Especially ma= ybe in connections with a large delay bandwidth product going full steam = encountering a serious hick up in the network. For example if an ACK is r= equired to ack packet 4000 + 1E9 and you have 500 gaps that has arrived t= he last RTT/4 and really should be included. Resulting in an ACK frame th= at is at least 1000 bytes large, possibly bigger.

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Why is this design? The intention of the pseudo code was clearly that the congestion window is collapsed, and the text states this as well.

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#2205 if there is a requirement for the ACK frame to always= include a largest acknoweldge equal to largest received then the above c= an't happen. The the later reordered packet will have the same largest ac= knowledged as the later arriving, but sent later. Thus, the ECN verificat= ion check would be that Largest Acknowledged MUST increase for verificati= on to happen. Or one actually looks at the PN of the packet of the ACK fr= ame to ensure that they arrive in order.

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I think this is connected to #2205 in an interesting way. The questio= n that arises is if one MUST include all ACK state between highest received= , and the lower PN that needs to be ACKed (as it is newly arrived due to re= ordering).

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Does optimistic ACKs really work in QUIC? I thought renege on ACKs where not allowed, but I can't find any text on that currently. Thus, if you actually have a packet loss, the whole connection will be screwed as you can't get retransmission of the lost data.

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@dtikhonov yes with the current text, resetting any contro= l stream is illegal.
=0D However given that we are discussing about making qpack streams kind of s= pecial, we could allow resetting them. And that is what I propos= ed in my first comment.

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Could we instead relax the constraint that qpack streams (being contro= l streams) cannot be closed, and allow an endpoint that doesn=E2=80=99t w= ant to do qpack to not open its control streams and to immediately reset = (with a specific error code, yeah I know YAEC) the peer initiated qpack s= treams?

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My original point about the complexity of implementation for little be= nefit seems to be same that others have, and leaving aside concurrency an= d implementation specific concerns (which I don't deny exists in our code= , but they are easily fixed) my point was more general as I feel like we = are trying to bake into the protocol an optimization that in my opinion i= s better handled in the implementation of the memory constrained devices = and we should just make it possible, rather than adding more constraints = to the common case. So generally speaking I feel more comfortable relaxin= g constraints rather than tightening them, if possible and if that does n= ot pose a threat.

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Regarding reordering I don't have any data I'd suspect there will be w= ith those timing variations. I'll keep it in mind to mention, if a find a= ny data.

My data is from Wifi, but it is no way near that variation.

Here are ping data the same 5GHz wifi source to a danish site.nearby s= ite in Denmark. Physically short distance but more hops than I would have= hoped for.

Here the variation is actually possibly larger than to China because o= f the short overall time and router noise (and potentially wifi interfere= nce).

ping -c10 dtu.dk
PING dtu.dk (192.38.91.25): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 192.38.91.25: icmp_seq=3D0 ttl=3D53 time=3D5.848 ms
64 bytes from 192.38.91.25: icmp_seq=3D1 ttl=3D53 time=3D7.265 ms
64 bytes from 192.38.91.25: icmp_seq=3D2 ttl=3D53 time=3D5.769 ms
64 bytes from 192.38.91.25: icmp_seq=3D3 ttl=3D53 time=3D6.761 ms
64 bytes from 192.38.91.25: icmp_seq=3D4 ttl=3D53 time=3D5.488 ms
64 bytes from 192.38.91.25: icmp_seq=3D5 ttl=3D53 time=3D9.453 ms
64 bytes from 192.38.91.25: icmp_seq=3D6 ttl=3D53 time=3D3.579 ms
64 bytes from 192.38.91.25: icmp_seq=3D7 ttl=3D53 time=3D5.642 ms
64 bytes from 192.38.91.25: icmp_seq=3D8 ttl=3D53 time=3D7.297 ms
64 bytes from 192.38.91.25: icmp_seq=3D9 ttl=3D53 time=3D5.114 ms

--- dtu.dk ping statistics ---
10 packets transmitted, 10 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev =3D 3.579/6.222/9.453/1.497 ms

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= ----==_mimepart_5c1a117538f95_7c3c3f871c4d45bc1206ae-- From nobody Wed Dec 19 01:42:47 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9EFB130DF9 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 01:42:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.055 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.055 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_MIXED_ES=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f7yVDEQXArc8 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 01:42:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F0AD4130E3F for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 01:42:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=V3Btu4+mTdBbC3ejyDcSmsNVd4I=; b=Sv4YIXpge6cVxWwb YfiQ0S2FJ//sES8m5lDhnbWJ/IOWbwuirgF1Copf6tWxWMAXi0l1aW5uu3O7hGg2 EXDG5saHD7xgbW6Mk4tkrg2bi7Ylw4Ki8GDmi2iEyYXZF2/jtoIisYnx+y/n42Xa Zw2YLV+gch0ePJwwZTxDklGCqT0= Received: by filter0219p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0219p1iad2-19076-5C1A128F-17 2018-12-19 09:42:39.440763007 +0000 UTC m=+141721.292698270 Received: from github-lowworker-b40b5a4.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.36]) by ismtpd0014p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id JX-Rg6cnQEaLFBsl4-43rg for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 09:42:39.426 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-b40b5a4.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 886293E0F83 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 01:42:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 09:42:40 +0000 (UTC) From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Time based loss recommendation not sensitive to paths with high RTT variability (#2207) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c1a128f86330_50953fb65a4d45b81068ed"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1hXTf0UXaPPLsNVMKX4W6uONk0KrZ0DCHg4e nMZ0gV6AjBIFRiY2CeNzfdsaWGDiUfUMHcea56OiGHmO0Ouz+PNf664R/Z0VsA+9xF71OSa5IAoU+5 9s7qFqqmaG9Qj4hZ6sQV/fstuOTDrpb04+wNROY664L99aehDjy90tdHjeta0Fdi3vAnnLQx6xGg+Z E= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 09:42:46 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c1a128f86330_50953fb65a4d45b81068ed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And here are ping times from Denmark to a New Jersey datacenter. This is a direct submarine cable and a few hundred km over land. Here the variation is much lower, and fits the 9/8 recommendations. ping -c10 23.226.128.10 PING 23.226.128.10 (23.226.128.10): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 23.226.128.10: icmp_seq=0 ttl=53 time=100.651 ms 64 bytes from 23.226.128.10: icmp_seq=1 ttl=53 time=102.843 ms 64 bytes from 23.226.128.10: icmp_seq=2 ttl=53 time=102.355 ms 64 bytes from 23.226.128.10: icmp_seq=3 ttl=53 time=104.239 ms 64 bytes from 23.226.128.10: icmp_seq=4 ttl=53 time=104.736 ms 64 bytes from 23.226.128.10: icmp_seq=5 ttl=53 time=102.465 ms 64 bytes from 23.226.128.10: icmp_seq=6 ttl=53 time=103.996 ms 64 bytes from 23.226.128.10: icmp_seq=7 ttl=53 time=102.295 ms 64 bytes from 23.226.128.10: icmp_seq=8 ttl=53 time=101.644 ms 64 bytes from 23.226.128.10: icmp_seq=9 ttl=53 time=102.435 ms --- 23.226.128.10 ping statistics --- 10 packets transmitted, 10 packets received, 0.0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 100.651/102.766/104.736/1.179 ms -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2207#issuecomment-448532342 ----==_mimepart_5c1a128f86330_50953fb65a4d45b81068ed Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

And here are ping times from Denmark to a New Jersey datacenter. This is= a direct submarine cable and a few hundred km over land.

Here the variation is much lower, and fits the 9/8 recommendations.

ping -c10 23.226.128.10
PING 23.226.128.10 (23.226.128.10): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 23.226.128.10: icmp_seq=3D0 ttl=3D53 time=3D100.651 ms
64 bytes from 23.226.128.10: icmp_seq=3D1 ttl=3D53 time=3D102.843 ms
64 bytes from 23.226.128.10: icmp_seq=3D2 ttl=3D53 time=3D102.355 ms
64 bytes from 23.226.128.10: icmp_seq=3D3 ttl=3D53 time=3D104.239 ms
64 bytes from 23.226.128.10: icmp_seq=3D4 ttl=3D53 time=3D104.736 ms
64 bytes from 23.226.128.10: icmp_seq=3D5 ttl=3D53 time=3D102.465 ms
64 bytes from 23.226.128.10: icmp_seq=3D6 ttl=3D53 time=3D103.996 ms
64 bytes from 23.226.128.10: icmp_seq=3D7 ttl=3D53 time=3D102.295 ms
64 bytes from 23.226.128.10: icmp_seq=3D8 ttl=3D53 time=3D101.644 ms
64 bytes from 23.226.128.10: icmp_seq=3D9 ttl=3D53 time=3D102.435 ms

--- 23.226.128.10 ping statistics ---
10 packets transmitted, 10 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
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@ianswett's point is that even if there is variation it probably will not change fast between two packets, rather it changes over longer time frames such is the interval between PING packets. I'm not sure this is always true since a 250ms buffering is unlikely.

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From .mu to .dk:

PING dtu.dk (192.38.91.25) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from redirector.ait.dtu.dk (192.38.91.25): icmp_seq=3D1 ttl=3D44= time=3D243 ms
64 bytes from redirector.ait.dtu.dk (192.38.91.25): icmp_seq=3D2 ttl=3D44= time=3D277 ms
64 bytes from redirector.ait.dtu.dk (192.38.91.25): icmp_seq=3D3 ttl=3D44= time=3D278 ms
64 bytes from redirector.ait.dtu.dk (192.38.91.25): icmp_seq=3D4 ttl=3D44= time=3D280 ms
64 bytes from redirector.ait.dtu.dk (192.38.91.25): icmp_seq=3D5 ttl=3D44= time=3D240 ms
64 bytes from redirector.ait.dtu.dk (192.38.91.25): icmp_seq=3D6 ttl=3D44= time=3D284 ms
64 bytes from redirector.ait.dtu.dk (192.38.91.25): icmp_seq=3D7 ttl=3D44= time=3D286 ms
64 bytes from redirector.ait.dtu.dk (192.38.91.25): icmp_seq=3D8 ttl=3D44= time=3D288 ms
64 bytes from redirector.ait.dtu.dk (192.38.91.25): icmp_seq=3D9 ttl=3D44= time=3D290 ms
64 bytes from redirector.ait.dtu.dk (192.38.91.25): icmp_seq=3D10 ttl=3D4= 4 time=3D293 ms

--- dtu.dk ping statistics ---
10 packets transmitted, 10 received, 0% packet loss, time 9013ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev =3D 240.406/276.264/293.286/17.763 ms

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Optimistic ACKs are an attack, not something permitted. But it also is= n't renege as I understand the word since it ACK's something that was nev= er send as opposed to regretting ACK'ing something earlier ACK'ed. The at= tack can cause a client to get all the bandwidth that a server intended t= o be shared across many clients.

To defend against optimistic ACK's, QUIC explicitly states that a conn= ection should be closed if it sees an ACK on a packet that wasn't sent (a= t least for as long as packets are still tracked and can affect the conge= stion window). The problem is that this defence can be exploited by anoth= er attack which is an injection attack. And the defence against this inje= ction attack would be to not defend against optimistic ACKs, at least whi= le the injection attack is possible.

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@gloinul

Thus, if you actually have a packet loss, the whole connection will be= screwed as you can't get retransmission of the lost data.

I don't think (hope not) that there is text preventing acknowledging a= packet multiple times, but it SHOULD not be acknowledge again once an en= dpoint knows that the peer received the acknowledgment.

As to renege in the current text:

section 19.3.:

QUIC acknowledgements are irrevocable. Once acknowledged, a packet rem= ains acknowledged, even if it does not appear in a future ACK frame. This= is unlike TCP SACKs ([RFC2018]).

section 21.3.:

An endpoint that acknowledges packets it has not received might cause = a congestion controller to permit sending at rates beyond what the networ= k supports. An endpoint MAY skip packet numbers when sending packets to d= etect this behavior. An endpoint can then immediately close the connectio= n with a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION (see Section 10.3).<= /p>

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@dtaht unders latency problems with wifi very well.

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There are a few things this precludes, and we we should understand those= before doing this.

  1. A very limited implementation(ie: hardware) can't always send only one = ACK block without giving up on reordered packets. I don't have such an imp= lementation, but at some point I remember discussing this idea with people = who seemed interested in it.
  2. One cannot do multipath with QUIC v1 and it means the multipath design = will have to use a PN space per path, as described in Christian's draft: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-huitema-quic-mpa= th-req-01#section-4.11 I think that's likely the right choice for othe= r reasons, but I'm hesitant to make that decision now.
  3. An RTT sample can only be taken based on the largest acked. Therefore,= if there is a large amount of reordering(ie: 1RTT), you don't get any RTT = samples for an RTT. If we care about this, we can probably solve it a diff= erent way in the recovery draft, but that likely means using ack delay some= times and not others.

In regards to Martin's comment, I thought we already had text that said = ACKs with lower packet numbers than the largest ACK packet number should be= ignored, since they're old?

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= ----==_mimepart_5c1a55771772c_79f33ff0f72d45c4427499-- From nobody Wed Dec 19 06:28:36 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7C711274D0 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 06:28:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.065 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.065 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zVdSDqKLDjb0 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 06:28:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BD1121200B3 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 06:28:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 06:28:31 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1545229711; bh=C5PN22eD430TVuYyk3OixCXLZ93YL9hExeS+Vlqzzj8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=lVLwRKvgFPL/c8fyJ9bo++BrEC5xEYlpjfeTtB3NqAqRSj9g6EspRVv3G4c6Zi6/x gJQI3RJCUgj9Jm4EqFfhXiHVlDZPSG7EpfKm8HfjUIX3OQ56blVGnoFtQjKFCcah6k +8datetWtU1DVDo6+Jl7MzEnD7fMLuNvvforZMdg= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] introduce a max_connection_ids transport parameter (#1998) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c1a558fe0221_40843fbdc14d45b83450d0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 14:28:35 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c1a558fe0221_40843fbdc14d45b83450d0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ianswett commented on this pull request. This LGTM, but we definitely need to resolve Mike's comment. > @@ -3806,6 +3803,7 @@ language from Section 3 of {{!TLS13=RFC8446}}. max_ack_delay(11), disable_migration(12), preferred_address(13), + max_connection_ids(14), I don't see a need to, personally. > @@ -3981,6 +3979,12 @@ A client MUST NOT include an original connection ID, a stateless reset token, or a preferred address. A server MUST treat receipt of any of these transport parameters as a connection error of type TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR. +max_connection_ids (0x000e): + +: The maximum number of connection IDs that the peer is willing to store. + This value includes only connection IDs sent in NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames. I think it makes sense to only apply this to NEW_CONNECTION_ID CIDs as Marten said. SPA is a special case, since you have to use the new CID with the new address, I don't think I can treat that CID like other CIDS. > @@ -4958,6 +4962,10 @@ INVALID_MIGRATION (0xC): : A peer has migrated to a different network when the endpoint had disabled migration. +CONNECTION_ID_LIMIT_ERROR (0xd): + +: A peer received more connection IDs than its advertised limit. I think your comment was lost, can you restate it here? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1998#pullrequestreview-186566865 ----==_mimepart_5c1a558fe0221_40843fbdc14d45b83450d0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@ianswett commented on this pull request.

This LGTM, but we definitely need to resolve Mike's comment.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3806,6 +3803,7 @@ language from Section 3 of {{!TLS13=RFC8446}}.
       max_ack_delay(11),
       disable_migration(12),
       preferred_address(13),
+      max_connection_ids(14),

I don't see a need to, personally.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3981,6 +3979,12 @@ A client MUST NOT include an original connection ID, a stateless reset token, or
 a preferred address.  A server MUST treat receipt of any of these transport
 parameters as a connection error of type TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR.
 
+max_connection_ids (0x000e):
+
+: The maximum number of connection IDs that the peer is willing to store.
+  This value includes only connection IDs sent in NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames.

I think it makes sense to only apply this to NEW_CONNECTION_ID CIDs as Marten said.

SPA is a special case, since you have to use the new CID with the new address, I don't think I can treat that CID like other CIDS.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4958,6 +4962,10 @@ INVALID_MIGRATION (0xC):
 : A peer has migrated to a different network when the endpoint had disabled
   migration.
 
+CONNECTION_ID_LIMIT_ERROR (0xd):
+
+: A peer received more connection IDs than its advertised limit.

I think your comment was lost, can you restate it here?

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----==_mimepart_5c1a596a23b66_136e3fd9eb4d45b816028d-- From nobody Wed Dec 19 06:48:52 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E87791274D0 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 06:48:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wXjj06Sj1tVk for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 06:48:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B5D3126DBF for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 06:48:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 06:48:47 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1545230927; bh=3RAYm/wiwsBd5cuktmyIVz+LZGvXaMhBy6emDzG1pmE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=mHZ33BPDHQMNH264bPGGrDCZHdNT28r/tjGbhlJO/qX7dnNNmIGcVbAL6nRHIs8qT RWZkMZZs5iiqYKqAxXFwHFQ9reEyMnfLt2p+Sm8SDNhlGur/rLFc6vNLWdNZJPuqW9 eZhYsxXSo+lyJyXtD0mM37zUMUPFXxo0ATXg07a4= From: Magnus Westerlund Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Largest acked in ACK frame MUST NOT decrease (#2205) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c1a5a4f2bb93_5ddf3f98a24d45c01208c7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gloinul X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 14:48:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c1a5a4f2bb93_5ddf3f98a24d45c01208c7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @ianswett regarding your question. "In regards to Martin's comment, I thought we already had text that said ACKs with lower packet numbers than the largest ACK packet number should be ignored, since they're old?" At least when it comes to ECN, the editors have been working hard to reformulate which has resulted in that there is nothing that applies this from the PN increasing for the ACKs. So to solve the ECN part, I think (re-)introducing that aspect into the text is the simpliest fix for ECN. But there clearly are other aspects here. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2205#issuecomment-448621319 ----==_mimepart_5c1a5a4f2bb93_5ddf3f98a24d45c01208c7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@ianswett regarding your question. "In regards to Martin's= comment, I thought we already had text that said ACKs with lower packet = numbers than the largest ACK packet number should be ignored, since they'= re old?"

At least when it comes to ECN, the editors have been working hard to r= eformulate which has resulted in that there is nothing that applies this = from the PN increasing for the ACKs. So to solve the ECN part, I think (r= e-)introducing that aspect into the text is the simpliest fix for ECN. Bu= t there clearly are other aspects here.

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This section now encomp= asses a lot of what used to be "Encoding Strategies". In the places where I added new text, I temporarily added HTML comments t= o indicicate so it can get a bit more detailed review. I also deleted a few sentences/paragraphs/sections that I found to be red= undant: - Preventing Eviction Races - "An encoder also respects..." - "For header blocks encoded in..." - Single Pass Encoding - "All table updates occur on..." Commit: 6ff9fda2a2e74b5a29fe26a81b57579e07f54283 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6ff9fda2a2e74b5a29fe26= a81b57579e07f54283 Author: Alan Frindell Date: 2018-10-29 (Mon, 29 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md Log Message: ----------- Address most editorial comments Not addressed: 1. I left the drawing with 'Draining Entries' without a specific definiti= on in the text. I think it can be interpreted OK, and 'Unreferencable' i= sn't actually true. 2. With respect to leaving blocked data in flow control, I changed should= to SHOULD instead of can. My understanding is that you don't have to do= a SHOULD, if you have a good reason? It's important enough that we want= to convey more than ability. 3. I skipped redoing the indexing diagram for its own commit 4. I haven't moved the TSS guidance out of the TSS instruction section ye= t. I can't lift the whole paragraph without refactoring some of the othe= r text. 5. I think peer's encoder/decoder is correctly possessive. Doesn't the c= oder belong to the peer? 6. I removed all the instances of 'A decoder', but there are still a bun= ch of references to 'An encoder'. I'm not sure if the consistency is an = improvement in readability yet, so delaying changing more pending feedbac= k. Commit: 5e54faf7111c78cbfe62fa934c3fcbe7e83f7102 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5e54faf7111c78cbfe62fa= 934c3fcbe7e83f7102 Author: Alan Frindell Date: 2018-10-30 (Tue, 30 Oct 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md Log Message: ----------- Addressing more editorial feedback I missed some of the comments in the first pass. Commit: 1613b6e0d0dffceb9e1fc7ff509ab2019a7f7d38 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1613b6e0d0dffceb9e1fc7= ff509ab2019a7f7d38 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-05 (Mon, 05 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reorder the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame As observed, separating the length of the connection ID from the value is awkward. Closes #1952. Commit: 3dce06ee445b339f313f3a1c1c49b1cf5712a97e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3dce06ee445b339f313f3a= 1c1c49b1cf5712a97e Author: Tom Jones Date: 2018-11-05 (Mon, 05 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Use DPLPMTUD rather than PLPMTUD Commit: 11d259ccbf2172ed32e6283e02b14d7d69fb763f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/11d259ccbf2172ed32e628= 3e02b14d7d69fb763f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-06 (Tue, 06 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Update the salt in preparation for -17 Commit: 7a43755900487dcf1aa59d9f338573f4712b64e2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7a43755900487dcf1aa59d= 9f338573f4712b64e2 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2018-11-06 (Tue, 06 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Since ekr asked.... Commit: 91337c83a031ddb8cdc792195564beb15d45affd https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/91337c83a031ddb8cdc792= 195564beb15d45affd Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-06 (Tue, 06 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Time based to Time threshold in Recovery (#1962) * Time based to Time threshold Jana's tcpm slides use time threshold and packet threshold, which I like = a lot better than time-based. * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: 8ad3caba79f9a834520b2261a35ba0f6bed39d90 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8ad3caba79f9a834520b22= 61a35ba0f6bed39d90 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-06 (Tue, 06 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Recovery uses both time and packet thresholds Based on @pravb feedback at tcpm and my anecdotal experience, combining t= he two should work well. Fixes #1969 Commit: 4367f31056942f8692f972748dd4e06285bcc7f5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4367f31056942f8692f972= 748dd4e06285bcc7f5 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-06 (Tue, 06 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' into ianswett-both-thresholds Commit: aea6a4265e7386ac2c89aff9c7e0ee053b9de821 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/aea6a4265e7386ac2c89af= f9c7e0ee053b9de821 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-06 (Tue, 06 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: 51ebc206ae583608e09242483a93ce9f509ba9b1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/51ebc206ae583608e09242= 483a93ce9f509ba9b1 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-06 (Tue, 06 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: 4ea6332630f7d39a3304a70becd713618bcbae85 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4ea6332630f7d39a3304a7= 0becd713618bcbae85 Author: Loganaden Velvindron Date: 2018-11-06 (Tue, 06 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Mention BBR as an alternative congestion control mechanism Commit: 561aea6732b7ea1a069ef1d98d47f1a3220193e2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/561aea6732b7ea1a069ef1= d98d47f1a3220193e2 Author: Loganaden Velvindron Date: 2018-11-06 (Tue, 06 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Formatting fix Commit: c23f901273498cb372e1478ece502d0e7be86e0f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c23f901273498cb372e147= 8ece502d0e7be86e0f Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-06 (Tue, 06 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: c98a79c87d102d4544dadf2676161cd7db03fc62 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c98a79c87d102d4544dadf= 2676161cd7db03fc62 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-06 (Tue, 06 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: cd05b4526cf345e7749d07121a8ef16cae4fdffe https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/cd05b4526cf345e7749d07= 121a8ef16cae4fdffe Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-06 (Tue, 06 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: 1c2596eb43b86271f6fb12c8ee771e9c009f4900 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1c2596eb43b86271f6fb12= c8ee771e9c009f4900 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-11-06 (Tue, 06 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: 36c68c3f600722cd6a52f28622e60f9423ffc3f3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/36c68c3f600722cd6a52f2= 8622e60f9423ffc3f3 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-07 (Wed, 07 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Remove "quic " HKDF label Closes #1971. 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It's not the right number, but I don't think that the right number is attainable, and this is close enough. This text isn't final. I'd like it to be more accurate AND shorter, but lack the skills and perspective. Closes #1278, #1749. 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Period. 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Date: 2018-12-04 (Tue, 04 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- NEW_CONNECTION_ID: use sequence number for one CID only Commit: a91f2ff95e727ae39954861b643da1f7a51521c0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a91f2ff95e727ae3995486= 1b643da1f7a51521c0 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-12-04 (Tue, 04 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2094 from quicwg/ping PING loss does not require repair Commit: ff532d0bceb0b5816621f88c5cf6381b15ef0e9d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ff532d0bceb0b5816621f8= 8c5cf6381b15ef0e9d Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-12-04 (Tue, 04 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2068 from quicwg/pmtud Minor editorial changes Commit: 5cc1b8117531decd9d23215d227de6761cd8b0d4 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5cc1b8117531decd9d2321= 5d227de6761cd8b0d4 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 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Log Message: ----------- Tweaks based on review feedback Commit: fc92ac6f0c469258faf257740a88d0e6697ccdef https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fc92ac6f0c469258faf257= 740a88d0e6697ccdef Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-05 (Wed, 05 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2089 from quicwg/ianswett-repeat-tokens Repeat tokens in all Initial packets Commit: 1a39061b72e2cd2b65e0c13a94e15138bbeb1e0c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1a39061b72e2cd2b65e0c1= 3a94e15138bbeb1e0c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-05 (Wed, 05 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2096 from dtikhonov/201812041052-one-cid-per-seqno NEW_CONNECTION_ID: use sequence number for one CID only Commit: a21a18a138b4871d520df219e745f7d311f1c106 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a21a18a138b4871d520df2= 19e745f7d311f1c106 Author: Dmitri Tikhonov Date: 2018-12-04 (Tue, 04 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md Log Message: ----------- QPACK wording fix: decoders dont receive resets (#2014) * Fix wording: decoders don't receive resets * Reflow paragraph to fit into 80 columns * Replace one more 'a decoder' with 'an endpoint' * Fix: endpoints receive resets and deal with streams Commit: 6ed6021ebdf6f688b330c3e16bbacfc1d0464f3b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6ed6021ebdf6f688b330c3= e16bbacfc1d0464f3b Author: Kazuho Oku Date: 2018-12-04 (Tue, 04 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md Log Message: ----------- Avoid having multiple ways to encode Delta Base Index of zero. (#2005) As discussed in #2002, there are two ways to encode Delta Base Index of zero at the wire level; i.e. (sign-bit, delta-base-index) =3D (0, 0) and (1, 0). To avoid having multiple ways to represent one value, we prohibit the latter form from being used. A receiver is required to raise an error when it sees the latter. This is not only an unnecessary complexity but also contradicts from the approach we use for Post-Base Indexes. In case of Post- Base Indexes, we introduce an offset of one so that the Post-Base Index of zero and a non-Post-Base Index of zero do not overlap. The commit adopts the approach to Delta Base Index; giving us consistency in the design and also removing an error check at the cost of requiring one subtraction. Commit: bf69525a5bd8d0599c980258e5192d8a0926ed7a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/bf69525a5bd8d0599c9802= 58e5192d8a0926ed7a Author: ianswett Date: 2018-12-04 (Tue, 04 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Prevent int underflow (#2065) * Prevent int underflow Fixes #2052 * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Remove else * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: f0ac9e4ac364cbcdefecf06ecf780d09c3ea0472 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f0ac9e4ac364cbcdefecf0= 6ecf780d09c3ea0472 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2018-12-04 (Tue, 04 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- DUPLICATE_PUSH instead of multiple PUSH_PROMISE frames (#2072) * DUPLICATE_PUSH * Don't specify frame name * More declarative * Clients have options Commit: a91819cf9ae33a17720600d2fb9beb506b503cd5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a91819cf9ae33a17720600= d2fb9beb506b503cd5 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-12-04 (Tue, 04 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2095 from quicwg/variables Unnecessary variables in recovery Commit: 5307d46b792b965e423cd8dbc7872bd5f769e749 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5307d46b792b965e423cd8= dbc7872bd5f769e749 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-12-04 (Tue, 04 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Fixes part of #2060 Commit: c3c6c45cbc77d99a0551124d7e16b63e91d8bc2b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c3c6c45cbc77d99a055112= 4d7e16b63e91d8bc2b Author: ianswett Date: 2018-12-05 (Wed, 05 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Jana's suggestion Commit: 410f67919d51822dd5f066dcb637c72386adf0b5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/410f67919d51822dd5f066= dcb637c72386adf0b5 Author: Ryan Hamilton Date: 2018-12-05 (Wed, 05 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Allow the HTTP/3 DATA frame to extend to the end of the stream (#2098) * Allow the HTTP/3 DATA frame to extend to the end of the stream Allow the HTTP/3 DATA frame to extend to the end of the stream if the frame's payload length is 0. Fixes #1885 * Remove the "DATA frames MUST contain a non-zero-length payload" restric= tion. Commit: 09d19c6166af72632cfc413160c66a4e4278f59e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/09d19c6166af72632cfc41= 3160c66a4e4278f59e Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-12-05 (Wed, 05 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2078 from quicwg/ianswett-no-rtt No RTT for non-retransmittable packets Commit: 587f8a5b72824b73b0543a33841a6437ceb0b981 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/587f8a5b72824b73b0543a= 33841a6437ceb0b981 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-05 (Wed, 05 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Refactor DetectLostPackets This had a couple of problems that I think this addresses, and some that it doesn't. The first is that it isn't clear what is being iterated over and in what order. I think that the point here is to iterate over sent_packets, starting with the oldest. Correct me if that is wrong. In any case, this change doesn't assume an iteration order. The only reason the iteration order is important is in setting loss_time, which needs to be the earliest time (assuming that I'm right). This simplifies the function, by setting thresholds at the top and doing a simple comparison. I've added a note about loss_time potentially being in the past. The problem that remains is that this appeared to iterate only over packets that have a packet number less than the largest acknowledged. I've added that condition to the loop, but I don't think that it's right. I think that it's just redundant - and while an implementation might stop its iteration at the largest acknowledged to save cycles, this function will operate the same without the extra check. It's also not clear whether the greater than comparisons here were correct. If you assume that firing of the timer cannot take zero time, this is never an issue, but with discrete intervals on time values, that's not always going to happen. As setup, this code could be called at exactly loss_time for a packet, in which case that packet will not be declared lost. I think that this wants >=3D in the time comparison for that reason. Finally, should the early retransmit timer be configurable? Should it be set based on kTimeReorderingThreshold? 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Commit: dfe714a2f1f2907759dc9f9d0ccc10354bc8743b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/dfe714a2f1f2907759dc9f= 9d0ccc10354bc8743b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-13 (Thu, 13 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2177 from quicwg/frame-type-reject-may Allow an endpoint to ignore a badly encoded frame type Commit: 659bb52e170fc6859a4e771704beefbf7a840f41 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/659bb52e170fc6859a4e77= 1704beefbf7a840f41 Author: Benjamin Saunders Date: 2018-12-13 (Thu, 13 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Clarify use of largest_acked_packet Commit: b2baaad92f5a0351ae09ca831025920f26090fa3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b2baaad92f5a0351ae09ca= 831025920f26090fa3 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-14 (Fri, 14 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Pad to at least 1200 bytes Closes #2167. Commit: 8d344bd9b1e0b8fb390c7c606d0fb0f8d1b7747b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8d344bd9b1e0b8fb390c7c= 606d0fb0f8d1b7747b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-14 (Fri, 14 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- The first Initial needs to fit into a single IP packet Not sure if this needs to address IP fragmentation. Commit: ad6122da9447057fab23d283f541ed503a40915f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ad6122da9447057fab23d2= 83f541ed503a40915f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-14 (Fri, 14 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Validation MUST match IPs and ports. Co-Authored-By: igorlord Commit: 6b3b9882b5807709a294f30d261ca95c5519f151 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6b3b9882b5807709a294f3= 0d261ca95c5519f151 Author: Igor Lubashev Date: 2018-12-14 (Fri, 14 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Do not talk about ignoring ICMP that increases PMTU. Talk about disallo= wing PMTU increases. 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Commit: 72e42a045151be76da248d294840740d1a455472 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/72e42a045151be76da248d= 294840740d1a455472 Author: Alessandro Ghedini Date: 2018-12-15 (Sat, 15 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Remove unused kDelayedAckTimeout constant Doesn't seem to be used anywhere... Commit: 4da945ff0a085270714960495050561baa21ae77 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4da945ff0a085270714960= 495050561baa21ae77 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-16 (Sun, 16 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Header protection keys don't change I could have sworn that I had done this already. Closes #2195. 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Add a stronger recommendation about what "short period" means (see quicwg= #2172). Closes quicwg#2172. Commit: ab1cdf44338acefa34583d7f0d9159681602002d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ab1cdf44338acefa34583d= 7f0d9159681602002d Author: Marten Seemann Date: 2018-12-17 (Mon, 17 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1 from quicwg/drop-old Key discard requirements Commit: 9d20ea501c0c72ffe593af6179ebbdad9d2abf87 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9d20ea501c0c72ffe593af= 6179ebbdad9d2abf87 Author: EKR Date: 2018-12-17 (Mon, 17 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Make the ECN requirements match the the discussion in #2156. Fixes #215= 6 1. Implementations are free to enable sending or not. 2, Implementations MAY read the ECN code points if they can and send ECN ACKs. 3. Implementations MUST accept the 0x03 ACK type and if they are sending ECN SHOULD use the ECN section. I recognize that some people want to have stronger language here, based on this discussion I think this is where we are. I'll defer to the chairs to judge whether more is needed here and can change the PR as required. 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Commit: 527acc3255b7e4a75ba6e940b95033716b1db56c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/527acc3255b7e4a75ba6e9= 40b95033716b1db56c Author: Dmitri Tikhonov Date: 2018-12-18 (Tue, 18 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md Log Message: ----------- Fix QPACK-04 changelog: add two non-editorial changes (#2102) * Fix QPACK-04 changelog: add two non-editorial changes * Fix previous commit: #2005 is not in -04 Commit: adfc4a0d1dd6e4b8f819f97b30fa5f563af351d3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/adfc4a0d1dd6e4b8f819f9= 7b30fa5f563af351d3 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2018-12-18 (Tue, 18 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- becomes Commit: 8fc07a1f704e7ecdaf109e5a8b7b37eb5ccb753f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8fc07a1f704e7ecdaf109e= 5a8b7b37eb5ccb753f Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-12-18 (Tue, 18 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2202 from quicwg/transport/fix-packet-type Fix Handshake's type number Commit: e4adeb1d5d4d52e21d2efa986c844f7a631db93e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e4adeb1d5d4d52e21d2efa= 986c844f7a631db93e Author: afrind Date: 2018-12-18 (Tue, 18 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md Log Message: ----------- Reorder some text around dynamic table size (#2134) * Rearrange paragraphs. This commits only moves paragraphs around in whole. Paragraphs are not edited, redacted, broken up or joined. In addition, a new section "Eviction" is added. * Rearrange sentences. This commit breaks up and rejoints paragraphs and changes the order of sentences. No sentence is modified, redacted, omitted, or added. * Editorial bikesheding. * Swap eviction and max table size sections. Commit: 061cba3809316d79735e552e0d0364d0275530df https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/061cba3809316d79735e55= 2e0d0364d0275530df Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2018-12-18 (Tue, 18 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- comments Commit: 63c098721d71fe81f19e2e86a8c569514cfd23ed https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/63c098721d71fe81f19e2e= 86a8c569514cfd23ed Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-12-18 (Tue, 18 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2189 from quicwg/ecn Editorial fixes to ECN text Commit: 1053a1f9b9f027f22b142fb321eb149281f623ed https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1053a1f9b9f027f22b142f= b321eb149281f623ed Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2018-12-18 (Tue, 18 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- simpler Commit: 114abbd1a0002c82db118f6392090852e5f6d4d0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/114abbd1a0002c82db118f= 6392090852e5f6d4d0 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-12-18 (Tue, 18 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2183 from quicwg/first-single-ip-packet The first Initial needs to fit into a single IP packet Commit: 357f53bd6de9d7b33838f427efe35e72f1853a60 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/357f53bd6de9d7b33838f4= 27efe35e72f1853a60 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-18 (Tue, 18 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' into abandon-initial Commit: ad1ed06e257fe39d4fdbe5ff4c663e5fd40b2863 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ad1ed06e257fe39d4fdbe5= ff4c663e5fd40b2863 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-19 (Wed, 19 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add changelog entry Commit: b68b46f3b2123dc4a71950a34416737789445b12 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b68b46f3b2123dc4a71950= a34416737789445b12 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-12-18 (Tue, 18 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2187 from quicwg/cwv Allow alternate restarts after idle Commit: e7668328adb1a0b6a27a6dac76d539797597a046 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e7668328adb1a0b6a27a6d= ac76d539797597a046 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-19 (Wed, 19 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Changelog for #2045 Commit: 8fa3bf5283e9bd6df2b3cae3db44237e80b472e3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8fa3bf5283e9bd6df2b3ca= e3db44237e80b472e3 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-12-18 (Tue, 18 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' into ack-cleanup Commit: 16d116db3124043a7dda0e6d25672e5c83beb35f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/16d116db3124043a7dda0e= 6d25672e5c83beb35f Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-12-18 (Tue, 18 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2140 from Ralith/ack-cleanup Clarify OnAckReceived pseudocode Commit: 029d7294a27ff24dd6f027bba50feb0b289b871f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/029d7294a27ff24dd6f027= bba50feb0b289b871f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-19 (Wed, 19 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- SHOULD ECN Commit: 81997cff08fd13b598b532cfb9adb83ef27089b9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/81997cff08fd13b598b532= cfb9adb83ef27089b9 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-18 (Tue, 18 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' into ecn_reqs Commit: 2941ecca0823f0f6fcda1930bd120824f616841d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2941ecca0823f0f6fcda19= 30bd120824f616841d Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-12-18 (Tue, 18 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- editorial nit Commit: 4d7ec17e12cacc79665388837f4fc9d485a8d121 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4d7ec17e12cacc79665388= 837f4fc9d485a8d121 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-18 (Tue, 18 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2201 from ekr/ecn_reqs Make the ECN requirements match the the discussion in #2156. Fixes #2156 Commit: 8f01e3eac91cea9d4a9f3444fb146cba4b4afd3a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8f01e3eac91cea9d4a9f34= 44fb146cba4b4afd3a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-18 (Tue, 18 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2161 from igorlord/pmtu-do-not-increase Do not allow ICMP PTB to increase PMTU Commit: b95b9983e267adda33329970f055363db8b014eb https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b95b9983e267adda333299= 70f055363db8b014eb Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-12-18 (Tue, 18 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2142 from Ralith/process-ecn Process ECN before forgetting newly acked packets Commit: 382d294a4ba61d4d59c895adb8d7edecdd148246 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/382d294a4ba61d4d59c895= adb8d7edecdd148246 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-18 (Tue, 18 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M 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I updated this to clarify it's not really a deadlock, but suggest what should be done on PTO in this case: either send an ack-eliciting packet or declare the packets lost.

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Your point is that if the attacker optimistically ACKs a packet that i= t has all reasons to believe it will receive, but then packet gets droppe= d by some router, then the attacker cannot get its data later. Like cryin= g wolf once too many. But if it doesn't care about the occasional loss, i= t can get better bandwidth, for example to starve out other users.

But if the loss is unlikely, and when it happens, is likely to just be= a lost video frame, then you might watch better netflix on the dorm than= all of your friends. If the connection has a vital loss, you just reconn= ect.

The real question here is the bandwidth can be manipulated enough to m= atter, while doing handshake. For example, one might want to drop RTT his= tory once new data is available post handshake.

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For the record, I believe this was a potential deadlock:
Pkt 5 outstanding, flightsize =3D cwnd =3D 1 MSS
TLP timeout, resend in pkt 6 (flightsize =3D 2 MSS)
Pkt 5 acked, no data in send queue (flightsize =3D cwnd =3D 1 MSS)
TLP timeout, nothing to send, no new timers.
If new data arrives, there is no way to progress.

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Previously, Jana said you should store that the PTO had fired and there was nothing to send, so when data does arrive to send, you can immediately send it. But that wasn't explicitly documented anywhere to my knowledge.

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= =0D =0D = ----==_mimepart_5c1a79ecbd568_edd3fc1ed4d45c4138443-- From nobody Wed Dec 19 09:04:14 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 530FF130E66 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 09:04:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.447 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.447 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZiXJnqMc9VFB for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 09:04:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D32A4130E54 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 09:04:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 09:04:09 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1545239049; bh=FH30ltsJMPAVunZiMAqK3F5q/Fh6CT3W5jBuaXu4v8w=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=BTMYF1wTqX2EgDPbSKX/f2UM4T0/lPLB9Fr5YBIvFnEBGnWhrHDN3cHeFIURkgqjt 1Qnh06hodsLZ5+3tPUJb/dlW4Jj7hfOKpNmOw/WoO7CMsrc2ku8L/WUUXHkNqdLj8e zGV6ABJoObzQQwpZAfx99CMq5udGvz1PpxTC39uE= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Rearrange Packet Types section and references (#2203) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c1a7a09ccc63_74f3fbeb66d45c0618fb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 17:04:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c1a7a09ccc63_74f3fbeb66d45c0618fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ianswett commented on this pull request. > This version of QUIC uses the long packet header (see {{long-header}}) during -connection establishment and the short header (see {{short-header}}) once 1-RTT -keys have been established. +connection establishment. Packets that carry the long header are Initial Or just "with the long header" as you say below. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2203#discussion_r242998547 ----==_mimepart_5c1a7a09ccc63_74f3fbeb66d45c0618fb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 This version of QUIC uses the long packet header (see {{long-header}}) during
-connection establishment and the short header (see {{short-header}}) once 1-RTT
-keys have been established.
+connection establishment.  Packets that carry the long header are Initial

Or just "with the long header" as you say below.

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@afrind commented on this pull request.

Did you include some js and svg files that you did not intend?

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  
-In order to identify which dynamic table entries can be safely used
-without a stream becoming blocked, the encoder tracks the absolute index of the
-decoder's Largest Known Received entry.
+In order to identify which dynamic table entries can be safely used without a
+stream becoming blocked, the encoder tracks the number of entries received by
+the decoder.  TheKnown Received Count tracks the total number of acknowledged

There's a missing space here

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