From nobody Tue Jan 1 13:38:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D2EE12D4EB for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2019 13:38:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.447 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.447 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sR-uAIp_C7k0 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2019 13:38:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F0399129BBF for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2019 13:38:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2019 13:38:51 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546378731; bh=nb79ZkklmxYEtwHcwORNOwCm/Bmqm0tUhe9oE5/3CaI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=jZhYisybtfcyjrR5WY0qp3VZ8YBFn7K+cSr9MsmKhLMtPzJdPdXSrzvbx1T6gMoZr e4Y6EMjccUtAC+FPKlPUL5haTGAPW0+tsuFCuzSqFxzRHkxRBxm2YxKld9B4ApsAMa JHuL69lj2a3ZVxp0fDJzL3WC/KEXWLlOxf1Mfki8= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] What the maximum of TransportParameters.max_ack_delay? (#2282) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c2bddebc7487_311d3fe5ddcd45bc399180"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2019 21:38:55 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c2bddebc7487_311d3fe5ddcd45bc399180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Previously, the maximum was 255 milliseconds, because it was a 8-bit value. But now that the type is varint, the value can express up to 262 - 1 milliseconds. Should we define a reasonable maximum for the value, like what we have for ack_delay_exponent? Capping it so somewhere well below 32-bit range makes sense to me. I ask this in fear that QUIC stacks might ship with code that fails to handle unreasonably large values. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2282 ----==_mimepart_5c2bddebc7487_311d3fe5ddcd45bc399180 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Previously, the maximum was 255 milliseconds, because it was a 8-bit value. But now that the type is varint, the value can express up to 262 - 1 milliseconds.

Should we define a reasonable maximum for the value, like what we have for ack_delay_exponent? Capping it so somewhere well below 32-bit range makes sense to me.

I ask this in fear that QUIC stacks might ship with code that fails to handle unreasonably large values.

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----==_mimepart_5c2bddebc7487_311d3fe5ddcd45bc399180-- From nobody Tue Jan 1 14:49:30 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55007128D09 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2019 14:49:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FkWf9IneFN_3 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2019 14:49:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 092AC128CF3 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2019 14:49:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2019 14:49:26 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546382966; bh=js4SUjAE8ao70axepYIJOojvmkzhmiIAka2eaPrKVf4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=FJJo2XV7y106SsmT/G7ER6TcwIKWc55ToudKkxjUtIxVnFqBP4zULxancHLo9okf4 lRKGQfyJ1TPNA3M0mdoyHJ2o5yuYmUjadfeXhdtvtn3FBwWGOKtF+P/NjR9/47BmN6 N0Mq6RoFUJ1yvMbHaAlgP3nerrQWWWD5O3rbMnuw= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Include handshake anti-deadlock logic in pseudocode (#2281) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c2bee76ce8cb_de83fef534d45b84731f0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2019 22:49:29 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c2bee76ce8cb_de83fef534d45b84731f0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The x3 rule does refer to simple bytes as opposed to bytes in flight as calculated for the purposes of congestion control. So PADDING is completely sufficient for the client. My point was that this extra "code" exists only for the purposes of driving that x3 rule, and is only necessary when the client is sending Initial packets. If it is sending Handshake packets, there is no need because any Handshake packet of any size is sufficient to validate the client address and disable the x3 rule. (BTW, this wasn't directly a comment on this PR, but on the cited text as well as the code.) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2281#issuecomment-450762843 ----==_mimepart_5c2bee76ce8cb_de83fef534d45b84731f0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The x3 rule does refer to simple bytes as opposed to bytes in flight a= s calculated for the purposes of congestion control. So PADDING is compl= etely sufficient for the client.

My point was that this extra "code" exists only for the purposes of dr= iving that x3 rule, and is only necessary when the client is sending Init= ial packets. If it is sending Handshake packets, there is no need becaus= e any Handshake packet of any size is sufficient to validate the client a= ddress and disable the x3 rule.

(BTW, this wasn't directly a comment on this PR, but on the cited text= as well as the code.)

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Nice! I think the script would be helpful!

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BTW, this wasn't directly a comment on this PR, but on the cited text = as well as the code.

Right, but I think the currently-required behavior is justified. Consi= der this case:

  1. Client sends Initial w/ CRYPTO
  2. Server sends Initial w/ CRYPTO, ACK, followed by Handshake flight; Ha= ndshake flight is lost in full
  3. Client establishes Handshake keys; sends Initial w/ ACK
  4. Server Handshake packets continue to be lost until the 3x budget is s= pent.

Because the client's crypto packets have all been ACKed, and it has re= ceived no further ack-eliciting packets, it has nothing to send.

If the client's second Initial was also lost, meaning the budget is on= ly about 3600 bytes, this can happen almost immediately; a single Quinn s= erver Handshake flight is larger than that.

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----==_mimepart_5c2bfa8466d83_6def3fd2900d45c494861b-- From nobody Tue Jan 1 15:44:29 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 153D8128766 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2019 15:44:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.661 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.661 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xw-PNcrtYkzu for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2019 15:44:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 979381200B3 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2019 15:44:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2019 15:44:25 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546386265; bh=4DQK7glfvMvZjTxUysovD2HlVJ52ZxoACaHj1MgCclQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=B3OvGv15lXYyHUV2veG8anEBnRgZhixWnI/rUPQoKBw0TJZ5KfJkKWRABTRZ2M93q A58kP4N3OeGaDOy4p65ZTlrsPBnP6hSKp5mokgJT3NpzzVvlhHVuKvC1kPzm8NkKgi hgyGbRL4jBsNsgBwImc9rJIqh2OApobfkEadbfYE= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Include handshake anti-deadlock logic in pseudocode (#2281) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c2bfb59ca913_67113fee900d45bc3265d5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2019 23:44:28 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c2bfb59ca913_67113fee900d45bc3265d5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The client can get Handshake keys in this case, but it won't be sending Handshake packets until it has all of the server Handshake packets, so I think we're still in the original state. This is still the case that there are outstanding Initial packets. If the client were to be sending Handshake packets, this rule - as written - would still apply, but my point is that it isn't necessary. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2281#issuecomment-450765960 ----==_mimepart_5c2bfb59ca913_67113fee900d45bc3265d5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The client can get Handshake keys in this case, but it won't be sendin= g Handshake packets until it has all of the server Handshake packets, so = I think we're still in the original state. This is still the case that t= here are outstanding Initial packets.

If the client were to be sending Handshake packets, this rule - as wri= tten - would still apply, but my point is that it isn't necessary.

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it won't be sending Handshake packets until it has all of the server H= andshake packets

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Is that accurate? Transport =C2=A717.6 has:

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Once a client has received a Handshake packet from a server, it uses H= andshake packets to send subsequent cryptographic handshake messages and = acknowledgments to the server.

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It seems that client might reasonably send Handshake-level ACKs (for e= xample) prior to receiving the server's full flight even under ideal netw= ork conditions.

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This is still the case that there are outstanding Initial packets.

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Ah, it wasn't clear to me that the client's second, ack-only, Initial = packet qualified as "in flight"/"outstanding" here. Even then, the client= discards the Initial space after first sending a Handshake packet, which= might not be ack-eliciting, and might become lost, so a padding-only pac= ket might still be necessary.

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Right, I had forgotten. Handshake ACKs are sent earlier. Either way,= once that starts, the risk of deadlocking is gone.

Ah, it wasn't clear to me that the client's second, ack-only, Initial = packet qualified as "in flight"/"outstanding" here.

Good point. The current text says "When crypto packets are sent, the = sender MUST set a timer for the crypto timeout period." And crypto packe= ts don't include ACK-only Initial packets.

That suggests a bigger problem with that text. I would suggest then t= hat the condition is "Initial packets outstanding and no packet from a hi= gher encryption level ever sent".

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Either way, once that starts, the risk of deadlocking is gone.

The risk of deadlocking remains so long as the client has not sent any= ack-eliciting, i.e. retransmittable, Handshake packets and has not recei= ved any Handshake ACKs, because it is possible that all of the client's H= andshake packets might be lost, at which point the server may reach the 3= x threshold and cease transmitting while the client has nothing to send.<= /p>

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I think I prefer the suggestion of @marten-seemann of= not allowing two packets with the same encryption levels in a datagram. = Given you can't change CID, the only other purpose of multiple packets w= ould be to supply different versions. I had been assuming all QUIC packet= s in a datagram have a single version. If we want to allow that, I think= we should explicitly decide that.

If we want to allow that, I think we need to both add a rule about sen= ding one Retry per datagram and a rule about what to do with the rest of = the QUIC packets in the datagram once you send a Retry. Presumably you s= hould drop/ignore them as @nibanks suggested?

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Capping it to max signed int SGTM.

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How big? 2^16-1, 2^32-1, 2^64-1, 2^30-1? I'd have said that 2^14-1 would be more than enough here. 16 seconds is a long time to hold an ACK.

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Is there an attack here? Otherwise why bother - its just one more complexity.

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----==_mimepart_5c2c8bc636df9_34a23fcf3aad45b477855d-- From nobody Wed Jan 2 02:11:44 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3801B1286D9 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2019 02:11:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.447 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.447 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Pebyi_KQseQb for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2019 02:11:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-9.smtp.github.com (out-9.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5FE6812008A for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2019 02:11:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2019 02:11:40 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546423900; bh=sxuBV9fQYXpzol3NYGq4Y6uMFt8m7pd26jtLoQmKFgc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=rXa/Z8I8klM9C+K4S+9F8IF0izkcSAOf2VoeNMebqQNpgmKWrw3hxPjPSjo4F2Cuz JyTkDd0y2t8zwq3kfvwIItm6PV3EGyEl2tOGea2jEpVPBvS9QMVkd5OUL5wo3mh6VJ AmZFm1ipB0EtzsgKAaVJ7J/IK2hFzep8MHOtHe3Y= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make ALPN mandatory in QUIC-via-TLS (#2263) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c2c8e5c4f814_58e33fd91aed45bc901763"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2019 10:11:43 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c2c8e5c4f814_58e33fd91aed45bc901763 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know enough about ALPN, but if QUIC doesn't handle inhouse protocols well without bureaucracy, ALPN will get abused. What about future? decentralised approaches e.g. via DNS records? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2263#issuecomment-450826491 ----==_mimepart_5c2c8e5c4f814_58e33fd91aed45bc901763 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I don't know enough about ALPN, but if QUIC doesn't handle inhouse protocols well without bureaucracy, ALPN will get abused. What about future? decentralised approaches e.g. via DNS records?

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Technically QUIC must be able to deliver stream data in-order, but imp= lementations can deliver data out of order, and a sender can data at high= offsets way earlier than low offsets (at the risk of being rejected on t= oo many gaps connection error or so).

So, committed bytes or data sent without duplicates does not cover the= concept. It is the EndOffset which is of interest.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c2c8fea6d89b_679b3fc5aced45c067546-- From nobody Wed Jan 2 06:59:31 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46D44126CC7 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2019 06:59:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hn0KGbKuI6J0 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2019 06:59:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3032124C04 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2019 06:59:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2019 06:59:27 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546441167; bh=SipjsjdXQfIecy60DH1T9Dxnz5byHvsYvFlNvAOpEng=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=d7r1IfK9n8YHi3kEnQeGZd5is2L5VXVcTBrkPuFg2QNeH5WuSD5UueQ7hPxaXVRs9 9UPNi9Y39NbvpPHqWNAvS6OaJoReQW6kooiOD6YEE05CwSBBaikBkZRvTO+5o/QR1O 8rrxQArmCkaAWgTh40XYheNV0Ck7dWLQvHxraOkA= From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] amplification attack using Retry and VN triggered by coalesced Initial packets (#2259) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c2cd1cfabc6b_635d3ff6512d45c45676ad"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2019 14:59:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c2cd1cfabc6b_635d3ff6512d45c45676ad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am in agreement with @kazuho here. I don't see a need to limit the type or number of QUIC packets in a datagram. In my implementation that would just increase the state and complexity. I also don't think we need to support different QUIC versions in the same datagram. Push the little bit of extra work to the client in this case, and have it send different datagrams instead. Perhaps we should explicitly disallow this scenario in the spec. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2259#issuecomment-450884937 ----==_mimepart_5c2cd1cfabc6b_635d3ff6512d45c45676ad Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I am in agreement with @kazuho here. I don't see a need to limit= the type or number of QUIC packets in a datagram. In my implementation t= hat would just increase the state and complexity.

I also don't think we need to support different QUIC versions in the s= ame datagram. Push the little bit of extra work to the client in this cas= e, and have it send different datagrams instead. Perhaps we should explic= itly disallow this scenario in the spec.

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@martinthomson The general requirement SG, though I assu= me you'd still have to spell out the TLS specifics in the TLS mapping doc= ument.

@kazuho I do not expect the Expert Review requirement to be a p= articularly strong barrier since from what I understand the bar is "the d= esignated experts do not consider you obviously bogus". Either way I thi= nk we can discuss within TLS working group about relaxing some of those.<= /p>

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I think requiring some form of explicit protocol negotiation would be go= od. The TLS draft could potentially be a bit more specific about what that = looks like, too, but I agree that we don't want to be too restrictive here.=

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= ----==_mimepart_5c2d1ff28ae77_1893fcf722d45c075874a-- From nobody Wed Jan 2 13:15:52 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C104D129B88 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2019 13:15:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.065 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.065 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WDJO7lNFc7RP for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2019 13:15:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DF305126C01 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2019 13:15:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2019 13:15:47 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546463747; bh=3JyQCj7vZsBPPAq6I9rj4ArU2B3RZWOEj4Wb8H5Utho=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=0YPt4fklwXm2pg2sraI1j1mFHT0WKgxTvwcf4HKrY+Pj4z9RRozJz5z1CRJFAiPJz qzVbJtIluXTB8cEkvoSDMWH8pVxKiADKDeUpYLfAcKGG5MCEJ1tqKREtpcOskU/JNM 7IBxPEVRBw7hKsnMi9jhz0WmTLXcLrIJtx7rCIP8= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make ALPN mandatory in QUIC-via-TLS (#2263) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c2d2a03b6f2b_4ac83fa5e22d45c0110167b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2019 21:15:51 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c2d2a03b6f2b_4ac83fa5e22d45c0110167b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinthomson > Would people be OK with "explicit protocol negotiation, such as ALPN"? SGTM. @mikkelfj > I don't know enough about ALPN, but if QUIC doesn't handle inhouse protocols well without bureaucracy, ALPN will get abused. What about future? decentralised approaches e.g. via DNS records? I think that the concern will be resolved if we adopt @martinthomson's proposal. You would not be required to send ALPN for example when name resolution with combined protocol negotiation is being used. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2263#issuecomment-450987384 ----==_mimepart_5c2d2a03b6f2b_4ac83fa5e22d45c0110167b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Would people be OK with "explicit protocol negotiation, such as ALPN"?=

SGTM.

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I don't know enough about ALPN, but if QUIC doesn't handle inhouse pro= tocols well without bureaucracy, ALPN will get abused. What about future?= decentralised approaches e.g. via DNS records?

I think that the concern will be resolved if we adopt @marti= nthomson's proposal. You would not be required to send ALPN for examp= le when name resolution with combined protocol negotiation is being used.=

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= ----==_mimepart_5c2d2a03b6f2b_4ac83fa5e22d45c0110167b-- From nobody Wed Jan 2 13:23:23 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30ED4130DD1 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2019 13:23:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.661 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.661 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jXEIa2OwmyC2 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2019 13:23:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D0C5E126C01 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2019 13:23:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2019 13:23:18 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546464198; bh=2sN8jE3QpnqUk0Ef3N3sYL3l3FgOrQ7IE1DzG29dPkg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=p4X4g6WOKtjNvNB0T+oDC7e5IP6z2MwOe50AZjXEVgVxGzY1RrIsrCMZcYqel2Q5s 6s4QUoiC9jMJpRXwDnQoNTMBPF0h2fbKWgpvu+uez4oDywqloOIQt6GGttV6rA+MA+ VHMT5XXHEHOMKzVksbbThpgvbkDwq9e80O+sVIHs= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] What the maximum of TransportParameters.max_ack_delay? (#2282) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c2d2bc6d1789_50913fa6dfed45c016062a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2019 21:23:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c2d2bc6d1789_50913fa6dfed45c016062a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Is there an attack here? A bug sometimes ends up as an vulnerability on the server-side, because many connections are served by one process. I won't be surprised if some QUIC server using 32-bit millisecond-precision timer crashes while talking with a client that specifies an ACK delay of 232-alpha, because that would likely generate a negative timeout. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2282#issuecomment-450989326 ----==_mimepart_5c2d2bc6d1789_50913fa6dfed45c016062a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Is there an attack here?

A bug sometimes ends up as an vulnerability on the server-side, becaus= e many connections are served by one process.

I won't be surprised if some QUIC server using 32-bit millisecond-prec= ision timer crashes while talking with a client that specifies an ACK del= ay of 232-alpha, because that would likely generate a negative= timeout.

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How big? 2^16-1, 2^32-1, 2^64-1, 2^30-1? I'd have said that 2^14-1 would= be more than enough here. 16 seconds is a long time to hold an ACK.

232-1 would be a bit too big for 32-bit timers. OTOH I do not= think anybody will be using a 16-bit millisecond-precision timer and there= fore 214-1 or 216-1 sounds fine.

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The text says:

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From any of the =E2=80=9CReady=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9CSend=E2=80=9D, or =E2= =80=9CData Sent=E2=80=9D states, an application can signal that it wishes= to abandon transmission of stream data. Alternatively, an endpoint might= receive a STOP_SENDING frame from its peer. In either case, the endpoint= sends a RESET_STREAM frame, which causes the stream to enter the =E2=80=9C= Reset Sent=E2=80=9D state.

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But STOP_SENDING is not depicted in the send state diagram. Shouldn't= we add this to the diagram under "Send RESET_STREAM" ?

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The transport already requires that the cryptographic handshake provide
authenticated negotiation of application protocol. However, the TLS doc
was a little weak on whether ALPN should be used. This clears that up.

Closes #2263.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2284

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The transport doc currently says:

The cryptographic handshake MUST provide the following properties:

=
  • authenticated negotiation of an application protocol (TLS uses ALPN {= {?RFC7301}} for this purpose)

So I think that is fine. I've opened #2284 to make the A= LPN requirement clearer.

As @kazuho says, if you have other means of agreeing on protoco= l, then you can avoid ALPN. For instance, a QUIC version that could only= be used with one application protocol would be one way. In the end, you= have to be sure that both client and server agree on what protocol they = are talking. I can see how binding to name resolution would work; though= I can also see how it might not work (multiple subjectAltNames, failing = to communicate SNI properly, coalescing, etc...).

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=0D On Wed, 2 Jan 2019, 23:35 Martin Thomson <notifications@github.com wro= te:
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=0D > Closes #2263 <https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2263&g= t;.
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=0D > - Stronger protocol negotiation requirement
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STOP_SENDING has no direct effect on the stream states. Its omission was intentional. That it triggers a the sending of RESET_STREAM is an indirect effect. It's the RESET_STREAM that acts on the state.

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Use "final size" instead of "final offset", because the latter is ambiguous. Closes #2262.

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I think the text is a leftover from time before we introduced STOP_SENDING.

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@kazuho commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-The final offset is the count of the number of bytes that are transmitted on a
-stream.  For a stream that is reset, the final offset is carried explicitly in a
-RESET_STREAM frame.  Otherwise, the final offset is the offset of the end of the
-data carried in a STREAM frame marked with a FIN flag, or 0 in the case of
-incoming unidirectional streams.
+The final size is the amount of data that is transmitted on a stream.  For a
+stream that is reset, the final size is carried explicitly in a RESET_STREAM
+frame.  Otherwise, the final size is the offset plus the length of a STREAM
+frame marked with a FIN flag, or 0 in the case of incoming unidirectional
+streams.

I think that the current draft is incorrectly referring to incoming unidirectional streams; see #2286.

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Quoted from draft 17,

initial_max_stream_data_uni (0x0007): This parameter is an integer
value specifying the initial flow control limit for unidirectional
streams. This limit applies to newly created bidirectional
streams

It should be - This limit applies to newly created unidirectional...

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----==_mimepart_5c2d5ab354423_64ca3fe06c6d45c0219158-- From nobody Wed Jan 2 16:51:51 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45D7912D4EB for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2019 16:51:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.447 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.447 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id byHBqOefT45L for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2019 16:51:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C9DEE128766 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2019 16:51:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=M/GGAqL2MFVKZcxb2fKTQgt1jMw=; b=jIB9eJLglhv82WR2 Fg3BWi2spPcuOSAyKZWMm3x/hzf8f5nSRX2EeHYdwI2pzB/FuE/ke1CLbyg6B9H5 f26Af7lKZG5No+uPISIQ2ZrKtAk4lQ4mwoZNDBb6s9WuFS7fpEG3tgK3jTpweOwa bZfgRVAcDmn9OWqqz6FL2G49ac8= Received: by filter0968p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0968p1las1-10674-5C2D5CA2-B 2019-01-03 00:51:46.237993713 +0000 UTC m=+386503.874154164 Received: from github-lowworker-c7d2ff2.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.32]) by ismtpd0038p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id Ekwu3Y6XRk2G4Aalcjm_Jg for ; Thu, 03 Jan 2019 00:51:46.032 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-c7d2ff2.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFC844C045B for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2019 16:51:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2019 00:51:46 +0000 (UTC) From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] RESET_STREAM.final_offset is ambiguous (#2262) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c2d5ca1eda64_64b53fe06c6d45c0317ab"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0ZHFtwj6c3Bh20/9ktbV0L1SkKXv69KpwLJy RlMcwUkj/mQd55tjxNsJbozsbB7cqCJrEIOrsANHwhCGY/CpaM+XPwNvUdFQZYxKpUqOOdG4wcs2wV N1Y2TuTV6rkp38ms6Qt7AG5FQu4/3YgV0kx/ETjwoUghAix/V+txcKs2BDr9rKRq1YP/V15xGfAD8k o= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2019 00:51:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c2d5ca1eda64_64b53fe06c6d45c0317ab Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What @martinthomson says. Anyways, I've went with "Final Size", because I did not see any reason to change the word "final." I think that just changing "offset" to "size" fixes the issue. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2262#issuecomment-451030499 ----==_mimepart_5c2d5ca1eda64_64b53fe06c6d45c0317ab Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

What @martinthomson says.

Anyways, I've went with "Final Size", because I did not see any reason to change the word "final." I think that just changing "offset" to "size" fixes the issue.

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FWIW, I do want to block key updates for a short while after = establishing a connection, until the 0-RTT ingress key is retired.

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I think that this is fine, but wonder if a better definition would hel= p. Or maybe "end offset" - the offset of the end of the stream.

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"offset" was chosen specifically because that is what matters. And it= allows for gaps. So a more careful definition is probably needed either= way. I've a suggestion inline that uses "final size", but I think that = "end offset" might still be better.

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I don=E2=80=99t really understand what=E2=80=99s wrong with =E2=80=9Eo= ffset=E2=80=9C, and I=E2=80=99d prefer to keep that term. I find that ter= m a lot less confusing then =E2=80=9Esize=E2=80=9C, and then we don=E2=80= =99t need any explanation regarding gaps and retransmitted data.

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I think that "end offset" might be ambiguous the same way as "final of= fset" is; it could mean the offset of the final octet. Using terms like "= size" (or "number of bytes") avoids that confusion. It should also be not= ed that we refer to the same thing as "amount of data that can be sent" i= n the definition of MAX_STREAM_DATA; so far I have tried to align the def= inition of RESET_STREAM to that.

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This is not crisp-clear; it's ambiguous if it means the maximum offset= among the bytes that have been sent, or number of bytes that has been se= nt excluding overlaps (due to retransmissions).

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@marten-seemann I am not saying that it changes when = you retransmit.

What I am calling confusing is that "final offset" sounds like a term = referring to the offset of the last octet within a stream. For a stream o= f 1 byte long, "final offset" could either mean 0 or 1.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c2d980c9d987_62e53fef16ed45b461272-- From nobody Wed Jan 2 21:08:25 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B500A1310E3 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2019 21:08:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.661 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.661 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PzydcWVAFfd0 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2019 21:08:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 804A71310D1 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2019 21:08:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2019 21:08:19 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546492099; bh=jdUQz19UFBVj3s/S2gJVt6PflzjmFwfusKDdzbnPJLs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=FR9Y06mnjeNH+gma54B59nQzMoYxiWD2+MBMfbPJ0xzbn2U+/JWEH0Kj9wlQNsHTU eR9tFFr/TuqqnkJbSp+5QNEbAvTOUdZzN/zDpVu4edcfIhVjX+jzfqhuaCEV8cp/OP UTfmLljsNQIFl4iqn+d88qeizGcGJfKX6NUVuwPM= From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] RESET_STREAM.final_offset is ambiguous (#2262) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c2d98c3cc356_78fe3fab712d45b81432af"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2019 05:08:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c2d98c3cc356_78fe3fab712d45b81432af Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Looks like this has nothing to do with retransmissions at all, but just with the definition of "offset". I still like it better than "size" though, because one could reasonably expect the size to change when data is retransmitted, or when sending data with gaps. Maybe we can define the stream offset as the offset of the next byte that would be sent on the stream would have. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2262#issuecomment-451056963 ----==_mimepart_5c2d98c3cc356_78fe3fab712d45b81432af Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Looks like this has nothing to do with retransmissions at all, but jus= t with the definition of "offset". I still like it better than "size" tho= ugh, because one could reasonably expect the size to change when data is = retransmitted, or when sending data with gaps.
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= ----==_mimepart_5c2d98c3cc356_78fe3fab712d45b81432af-- From nobody Wed Jan 2 21:17:31 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0FA71310E3 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2019 21:17:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.065 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.065 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ipu-qOBktaz2 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2019 21:17:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 15A76124D68 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2019 21:17:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2019 21:17:27 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546492647; bh=o5zRu/vX1mQ91kAIIm4oYvSbkolmwSxqUph469NqIs4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=gUgS+IuzaU9G0qJ3y0mcqn7+/aDCwzng5KKXTkJhaBYHxTFcYaZXDmeo10pgz730Q c6omjSZ8N1FBhhzim19qSFYGMDlcQPE0B6X79OsHno4HZm3XgVyG3VrkEtu6DpHpBo 1cU4FO57SQAuEpAdZ76Im4D5ouEOp87fpv5U1qig= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] RESET_STREAM.final_offset is ambiguous (#2262) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c2d9ae73409b_50973facaccd45b819945c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2019 05:17:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c2d9ae73409b_50973facaccd45b819945c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Looks like this has nothing to do with retransmissions at all, but just with the definition of "offset". Correct. That's why I stated "excluding overlaps (due to retransmissions)"; maybe that was confusing though. > Maybe we can define the stream offset as the offset of the next byte that would be sent on the stream would have. We can do that. However the downside would be that the difference from the terms we define MAX_DATA and MAX_STREAM_DATA becomes bigger. While MAX_STREAM_DATA can be adjusted that way, I am not sure if we can have a similar definition for MAX_DATA. It should also be noted that MAX_STREAMS uses "stream count"; using "byte count" in the definition of flow control credit is in align of that better than using "offset". -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2262#issuecomment-451057671 ----==_mimepart_5c2d9ae73409b_50973facaccd45b819945c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Looks like this has nothing to do with retransmissions at all, but jus= t with the definition of "offset".

Correct. That's why I stated "excluding overlaps (due to retransmissio= ns)"; maybe that was confusing though.

Maybe we can define the stream offset as the offset of the next byte t= hat would be sent on the stream would have.

We can do that. However the downside would be that the difference from= the terms we define MAX_DATA and MAX_STREAM_DATA becomes bigger. While M= AX_STREAM_DATA can be adjusted that way, I am not sure if we can have a s= imilar definition for MAX_DATA. It should also be noted that MAX_STREAMS = uses "stream count"; using "byte count" in the definition of flow control= credit is in align of that better than using "offset".

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To me, the sending of the RESET_STREAM is a direct effect of receiving the STOP_SENDING. We put STOP_SENDING in the receiving stream states, so it's omission from the sending stream states was odd to me.

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There was an earlier draft where RST could be used for both locally and peer initiated streams. Not sure if that is relevant here.

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= =0D =0D = ----==_mimepart_5c2de543976f9_37673fb1662d45b812739c1-- From nobody Thu Jan 3 10:26:19 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EE0B131236 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2019 10:26:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.519 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.519 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id afXqQR3jPahZ for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2019 10:26:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DDB9013122F for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2019 10:26:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2019 10:26:15 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546539975; bh=wGFVtY2/PeMkKl/kQBWB0clbnZjlAyN4Kie8vR7vz2U=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=d0OeWbJ0vlyQgAYahoIR5sWNRMv0SPiD72TP/KBePLY137Qtz3Qs1r7YVDja/uHpu C4Syq5c6jK7Z8aSoh8x8OWEMklLBnO3MYha6cL1nW0wp48zJejcHyp0vwwfrSOn3JI Yp0sqyS354C14g4xa3LdLAwOkOL+KycEpah0PQ2Y= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] What the maximum of TransportParameters.max_ack_delay? (#2282) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c2e53c71d30_66983fab4dcd45b4207710"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2019 18:26:18 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c2e53c71d30_66983fab4dcd45b4207710 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm concerned about int overflow and other implementation bugs. 2^14-1 SGTM -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2282#issuecomment-451232855 ----==_mimepart_5c2e53c71d30_66983fab4dcd45b4207710 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'm concerned about int overflow and other implementation bugs.

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I also support this (with changing existing stream types to be <= 63). I'd also make it a MUST encode as smallest possible encoding.

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I agree with @kazuho that exchanging H3 settings in transport p= arameters has appealing benefits, there is however the downside that clie= nt transport parameters are not encrypted, and this could therefore be us= ed for fingerprinting.

That said we may be somewhat off topic, as this issue is about 8-bit v= s varint for h3 frame types. Without going into the details discussed in = this thread, there seems to be interest in allowing uncoordinated extensi= ons, and varints allow those at a very small implementation cost.

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We could have h3 use both TV and TLV: for example we say that

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----==_mimepart_5c2e8b5a510ce_ac23fc3196d45b8399b3-- From nobody Thu Jan 3 14:48:15 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2307A131351 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2019 14:48:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.065 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.065 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SN3lchAyo4eQ for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2019 14:48:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B058130DE3 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2019 14:48:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2019 14:48:10 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546555690; bh=bvdpemIFW4ArXMM9BjmpHZHdplURmVNbXSk2YNbTuF8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=LwbWuvOR25MloSelSMCkKPFb4MnszXllHor3Kwj1kh5b3Tns7ntiXGBF2zfZjkVKy suMMCm8oKFxfp6wAQn3RQnvbWflW/2pYdj86cVidV5ClD+p3NJScwzkbv9MVFtlC8r L805Up4da9nVLFE85KjIu826yM9ZdSoZDFVEeaWc= From: David Schinazi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] amplification attack using Retry and VN triggered by coalesced Initial packets (#2259) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c2e912a836e7_3fa13faff6ad45b81447e1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DavidSchinazi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2019 22:48:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c2e912a836e7_3fa13faff6ad45b81447e1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The current text on coalescing packets is: > `Senders MUST NOT coalesce QUIC packets for different connections into a single UDP datagram. Receivers SHOULD ignore any subsequent packets with a different Destination Connection ID than the first packet in the datagram.` We could solve this amplification attack by changing that quote to `Destination Connection ID or Version`, and add text like: `If a server receives a coalesced QUIC packet that causes it to send a Retry or Version Negotiation packet, the server MUST silently drop all subsequent coalesced packets in this UDP datagram.` This has the advantage of not limiting the type or number of coalesced packets. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2259#issuecomment-451302488 ----==_mimepart_5c2e912a836e7_3fa13faff6ad45b81447e1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The current text on coalescing packets is:

Senders MUST NOT coalesce QUIC packets for different connections= into a single UDP datagram. Receivers SHOULD ignore any subsequent packe= ts with a different Destination Connection ID than the first packet in th= e datagram.

We could solve this amplification attack by changing that quote to Destination Connection ID or Version, and add text like: = If a server receives a coalesced QUIC packet that causes it to send a Ret= ry or Version Negotiation packet, the server MUST silently drop all subse= quent coalesced packets in this UDP datagram. This has the advanta= ge of not limiting the type or number of coalesced packets.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c2e912a836e7_3fa13faff6ad45b81447e1-- From nobody Thu Jan 3 15:05:16 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7302130F11 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2019 15:05:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.065 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.065 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id irv1YUpaVc0w for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2019 15:05:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 26A4D130DE3 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2019 15:05:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2019 15:05:12 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546556712; bh=XF+Hw7hbIwUpswEy5iQhKy0kspb7Rzq9/jQD8rm05+E=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=w+O6EPQhz+BwKe3SPbt3J1q/9o2aRKuCle+iLdORL4cByqyuLstmBh6zfgSn6nOcy l/alRfB7azyCQ6V6O25Xdkc8AAr/e/0EnCb+aQKe7yGHedjm534ADwp9cAQYGfs0kP d03slWgRWzxe2j72QclSjnDJrTyCkaHodyNZIydQ= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] amplification attack using Retry and VN triggered by coalesced Initial packets (#2259) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c2e95282658c_517e3f8dc08d45b81689e7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2019 23:05:15 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c2e95282658c_517e3f8dc08d45b81689e7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Currently coalescing only makes sense in early packets, but as a general concept I don't like forcing ordering on processing independent packets because it affects concurrency design. Since the problem relates to stateless transmission there is only the datagram to latch onto as a substitute for state and this sort of requires ordering as @DavidSchinazi suggests. If instead we require that a VN or Retry can only be sent if it is triggered by the very first QUIC packet in a datagram then we avoid most of the ordering. A recommendation could be to silently drop further packets, but not require it. What could go wrong if subsequent packets were to be processed (keeping in mind that it will cause a stateful transition of successful)? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2259#issuecomment-451306262 ----==_mimepart_5c2e95282658c_517e3f8dc08d45b81689e7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Currently coalescing only makes sense in early packets, but as a gener= al concept I don't like forcing ordering on processing independent packet= s because it affects concurrency design.

Since the problem relates to stateless transmission there is only the = datagram to latch onto as a substitute for state and this sort of require= s ordering as @DavidSchinazi suggests.

If instead we require that a VN or Retry can only be sent if it is tri= ggered by the very first QUIC packet in a datagram then we avoid most of = the ordering. A recommendation could be to silently drop further packets,= but not require it. What could go wrong if subsequent packets were to be= processed (keeping in mind that it will cause a stateful transition of s= uccessful)?

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@mikkelfj I didn't suggest enforcing ordering. Whichever packets causes sending Retry/VN causes all subsequent packets to be dropped. I don't see having the third packet trigger a Retry as an an issue.

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@DavidSchinazi even if there is no strict ordering, th= ere is still coordination. And reading you text verbatim you also require= the first Reset / VN triggering packet to win.

For the sake of argument assume packets were coalesced in the general = case. A single preprocessor locates packet boundaries and pushes each pac= ket to a queue handled by several processing units which picks a packet w= henever it is available for processing. Suddenly one of these processors = wants to emit a Reset. It then has to signal all other processors that th= ey should stop doing what they are doing if they happen to be processing = the same datagram. Furthermore, the processor must figure out if there is= another processor also wanting to send a VN or Reset on the same datagra= m, and if so, if it is earlier in the datagram such that the correct winn= er can be identified.

In praxis such complexity would not be implemented as long as coalesci= ng only happens during handshake, but it illustrates that ordering constr= aints are difficult when introducing concurrency in processing.

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@mikkelfj Ah I see, I thought you meant requiring/enforcing = in which order packets are sent, but you meant that now the order in whic= h they are sent matters when it didn't used to. I agree with you, and I s= ee how this could be an issue for some implementations.

Another solution would be to prohibit sending Retry/VN in response to = packets that are smaller than 601 bytes (the idea behind the number 601=3D= 1200/2+1 is that if well-behaved clients always pad their largest long he= ader it should meet this requirement).

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On review, the client certainly doesn't need to pad Handshake level anti-deadlock packets to 1200 bytes, though it must send them so long as it hasn't seen an ACK or sent anything that it would otherwise be required to retransmit.

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draft-tls typo: replace mention of packet number protection with header protection

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The current spec is overly restrictive when it comes to self-terminating h3 frames. If implementations ignore extra data after the expected bytes, this will allow us to add fields down the road without the need to specify new frame types.

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----==_mimepart_5c2eb155c02e2_46423fd943cd45b871679-- From nobody Thu Jan 3 17:05:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 673991313B4 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2019 17:05:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.065 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.065 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WFF8pW7U8hyB for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2019 17:05:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2035913139E for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2019 17:05:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2019 17:05:51 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546563951; bh=uejnspBtMTzw1Sfr2Bz2HwNO3dmIH3vv0Hmevm2gq5g=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=KZBLdKP2t8gewLO18zXhuhT7Gq83FdvJVe0+iKtFoRkhQ7PKby/FumtVsYG1GFoax gxi6vD2xl6jZlGdt5xadwjf0J4e7X/58Xn8eQiWIECy9uRh0Sfd9s/0Qnue/cE/olb A1K4ckesqUw82wOee34SUZ69v2FaiFiubWEJFTSY= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make HTTP frames a TLV format. This has several advantages: (#2235) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c2eb16f6e721_5ad53fad412d45b4171190"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2019 01:05:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c2eb16f6e721_5ad53fad412d45b4171190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wasn't in the room where it happened, but I can imagine one reason for doing LTV in HTTP/2 might have been that you need to read out frames from the underlying byte-stream before demuxing and parsing them. A frame reader only needs Length before reading out the entire frame and passing it on to the parser. QUIC is different in that the entire frame is present when the length is read. I think this is a simple enough change, and there are straightforward benefits. We expect to see some changes with more implementation experience in the HTTP mapping, so I'd like to push for this PR. @ekr -- this discussion should be happening on an issue. Can you open an issue ? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2235#issuecomment-451327554 ----==_mimepart_5c2eb16f6e721_5ad53fad412d45b4171190 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I wasn't in the room where it happened, but I can imagine one reason f= or doing LTV in HTTP/2 might have been that you need to read out frames f= rom the underlying byte-stream before demuxing and parsing them. A frame = reader only needs Length before reading out the entire frame and passing = it on to the parser. QUIC is different in that the entire frame is presen= t when the length is read.

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transport: fix typos and add internal reference

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I think I get part of the motivation for this but don't understand how= this change on it's own allows extensibility with robust interop. Or in = other words, how do endpoints make sure they process postfix fields, as e= xpected by the sender, that arent defined anywhere?

Channelling the editors, it seems this PR needs an issue to discuss th= e broader use cases and design.

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I don't think I understand the ambiguity with "offset". @kazuho: can you clarify what the ambiguity is? I find "offset" more accurate because, as @martinthomson notes, there can be gaps in the stream.

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What @martinthomson said. Receiving a STOP_SENDING indicates that a stream was created which is why it's there in the Receiving Stream States. It's to handle the case where a reordered STOP_SENDING is received.

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The current spec is overly restrictive when it comes to self-terminating h3 frames. If implementations ignore extra data after the expected bytes, this will allow us to add fields down the road without the need to specify new frame types.

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@kazuho: Ignore my question on the PR, I understand your ambigu= ity now. I like "offset" better than "size", but unfortunately, the term = does not match the definition. Changing the offset to mean the next byte = is viable, but it still isn't intuitive. I think size might be the best w= e've got.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-An endpoint will know the final offset for a stream when the receiving part of
-the stream enters the "Size Known" or "Reset Recvd" state ({{stream-states}}).
+For a
+stream that is reset, the final size is carried explicitly in a RESET_STREAM
+frame.  Otherwise, the final size is the offset plus the length of a STREAM

It might be worth adding that for a stream that is reset, the final size might be smaller than the number of bytes sent on the stream.

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As I said on the issue, I understand now and think this is a fine change.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closes #2287. 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Closes #2287.

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Thanks!

Some further observations:

  1. It reminds me a bit of ARINC 661 wire format :)

  2. this seems like it could work with most frames that carry a fixed-size= fields and/Or varint payload because the delta between H3 frame length a= nd payload field sizes is the size of postfix fields. However, how is it = expected to work with DATA frames? Does HEADERS have a similar problem?

  3. why is experimentation with frame types difficult for this use case?

  4. I think I might have hit a similar problem when trying to design the H= ELIUM Http/2 frames: https://= tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pardue-httpbis-http-network-tunnelling-01#secti= on-6.3

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1208,15 +1208,18 @@ protection for the QUIC negotiation.  This does not prevent version downgrade
 prior to the completion of the handshake, though it means that a downgrade
 causes a handshake failure.
 
-TLS uses Application Layer Protocol Negotiation (ALPN) {{!RFC7301}} to select an
-application protocol.  The application-layer protocol MAY restrict the QUIC
-versions that it can operate over.  Servers MUST select an application protocol
-compatible with the QUIC version that the client has selected.
-
-If the server cannot select a compatible combination of application protocol and
-QUIC version, it MUST abort the connection. A client MUST abort a connection if
-the server picks an incompatible combination of QUIC version and ALPN
-identifier.
+QUIC requires that the cryptographic handshake provide authenticated protocol
+negotiation.  TLS uses Application Layer Protocol Negotiation (ALPN)
+{{!RFC7301}} to select an application protocol.  Clients and servers MUST use
+ALPN to negotiate an application protocol, unless another mechanism is used for
+agreeing on an application protocol.

Suggested rephrase: "Unless another mechanism is used for agreeing on an application protocol, endpoints MUST use ALPN for this purpose."

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Ah ok, understood. I guess the reaction is that there are so few appl= icable core H3 frames that are likely to be sent through the course of a = typical connection* that the merits of this flexibility might be hard to = realise.

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  • of the 7 frames, 4 of them relate to Server push. SETTINGS can't be s= ent multiple times. PRIORITY, the H3 style might change this up compared = to H3, it's also one-way. GOAWAY is one-way too.

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I've reworded and I think the wording is better now. I'll merge, but do comment if you think the wording needs fixing.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  advertised additional credit based on a round-trip time estimate and the rate at
 which the receiving application consumes data, similar to common TCP
-implementations.
+implementations.  Sending frames related to flow control only when there are
+other frames to send or when a peer is blocked ensures that flow control doesn't

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I agree with @kazuho that exchanging H3 settings in transport p= arameters has appealing benefits, there is however the downside that clie= nt transport parameters are not encrypted, and this could therefore be us= ed for fingerprinting.

I am not sure if we need to care about the downside, considering the f= act that we are sending other parameters (including the transport-level t= ransport parameters) in clear. If we do care, we should try protecting al= l of them.

That said we may be somewhat off topic, as this issue is about 8-bit v= s varint for h3 frame types. Without going into the details discussed in = this thread, there seems to be interest in allowing uncoordinated extensi= ons, and varints allow those at a very small implementation cost.

Yeah my point was that people interested in doing private experiments = can always negotiate the use of the extensions for all the cases the WG d= ecided to care about, and therefore that there is not a benefit in having= varint frame types, especially assuming that sending private experimenta= l extensions to the wild without coordination is likely to be just waste = of bandwidth.

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Follow-up from #2244

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One question on: "Using the request as context is what made it possibl= e to support push at all in cases where there are multiple users of the s= ame connection (a common occurrence)."
I thought browsers don't pool connections from different users? That see= ms sensible from a user-expectation and privacy perspective.

Proxies may, but they should really be providing some other user-isola= tion besides a push ID to ensure the response doesn't get pushed back to = the wrong user. Or they should only use push from the server to end user= , which I suspect is actually what happens.

I'm not arguing for replacing the current push design with unbound pus= h, but we should be willing to make changes to push in cases the original= assumptions didn't turn out to be true.

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Yes, it'd be good to capture something more up-to-date if we can come to consensus on that.

Is explicit signal meant to indicate DNS and/or ORIGIN frame? If so, maybe call those two out as examples?

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@ianswett I think the dilemma is that some of those things don't exist yet for H3. For example, Mike did some earlier work to redefine ALTSVC frame for H3 but there is yet to be equivalent for ORIGIN or secondary certs.

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Interplanetary QUIC can be pushed to v2.

Thanks for making my point.

How about low power devices that are prone to falling asleep?

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Regarding size vs offset, consider the hypothetical stream construct w= here you send every second 256 byte block. If you don't get a STOP_SENDIN= G you continue with the gaps in order after sending the first 128 blocks.= This is interleaved image transmission. Now, is the size the number of b= locks sendt sent so far, or the end offset.

As @kazuho says, MAX_STREAM_DATA could be adapted either way, w= hile MAX_DATA is more tricky.

But size is not unambiguous either unless you define it cover all unse= nt gaps as well.

As for interleaving, a better approach is to sent all even lines first= , without gaps, then all uneven lines, which avoids the problem.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c2f2875e717_15313feda48d45c411756f-- From nobody Fri Jan 4 01:39:01 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F3F4130FCD for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 01:39:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.661 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.661 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u_O23ytJtYEr for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 01:38:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F0BD130FCB for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 01:38:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2019 01:38:57 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546594737; bh=EjgL/3F+llMrMP+2lecwZZIjKjbYnJsuXOSpcgVCaeo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=blseAgVOFZFM6nHg4MpJG+5etju8yq3qdTYN33Ov5ifJB5ffWtk0OsaY2QrhPX00L 1UonyA7gQQt1umhg3my3gfEAjxf8kCPKinoevSen6/k3h6fU+4Q3tCT4urs6MJ7kXc BDiU/nbi1hy7AT/GtkX9MtaOZ7rv/TwzBheF0Ufk= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow extra data after self-terminating h3 frames (#2291) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c2f29b181c6_72f23f825dad45c0129567"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2019 09:39:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c2f29b181c6_72f23f825dad45c0129567 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Are self-terminating frames not limited to DATA frames to avoid the general complexity and because DATA is the only frame needing this? If more complex engineering is needed, I think designing separate streams for DATA is better, and probably a v2 feature. A TLV format can have frames with implicit lengths, iif all types with implicit lengths are known. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2291#issuecomment-451396743 ----==_mimepart_5c2f29b181c6_72f23f825dad45c0129567 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Are self-terminating frames not limited to DATA frames to avoid the ge= neral complexity and because DATA is the only frame needing this?

If more complex engineering is needed, I think designing separate stre= ams for DATA is better, and probably a v2 feature.

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I was about to suggest that VN / Retry could only be sent if the QUIC = packet had at least 1200 bytes, but that goes against the idea of using c= oalesced packets. I'm not sure that 600 bytes is much better because it l= imits how much you can send in a second coalesced package when you want t= o stay below the minimum PMTU.

By requiring that only the first QUIC packet in a datagram can trigger= VN / Retry you avoid these problems, and I can't imagine a reasonable ca= se where you want to coalesce packets in a way where later packets actual= ly trigger a VN / Retry.

One could also add that coalesced packets must belong to the same logi= cal connection or connection attempt and that an implementation MAY ignor= e part or all of the packets in a datagram that does not conform (without= requiring this to be enforced because that could get complex fast).

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Generally speaking, I think having the ability to express self-termina= ting frames is a good thing.

However, our charter requires us to create a mapping that is "a descri= ption of HTTP/2 semantics using QUIC," and my preference goes to adhering= the charter rather than chasing the possible optimizations. I am not aga= inst changing things in H3 if it clearly helps us, but I am not sure if t= here is a provable benefit here.

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@janaiyengar writes, in part (emphasis added):

QUIC is different in that the entire frame is present when the length is read.

I don't understand what you mean by that.

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Yup, that's what I had in mind.

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Yeah I don't follow either. The h3 layer is presented an in-order byte stream for each stream but it still needs to parse out H3 frames. While there are some loose assurances on frame ordering I don't know it QUIC is so different from H2, even with separate streams

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@ghedo requested changes on this pull request.

FWIW I also verified the vectors with my implementation.

In initial-protection.js:

> @@ -0,0 +1,278 @@
+#!/bin/sh
+':' //; exec "$(command -v nodejs || command -v node)" "$0" "$@"
+
+// This script performs simple encryption and decryption for Initial packets.
+// It's crude, but it should be sufficient to generate examples.
+
+
+'use strict';
+var buffer = require('buffer');
+var crypto = require('crypto');
+var assert = require('assert');
+
+var INITIAL_SECRET = Buffer.from('ef4fb0abb47470c41befcf8031334fae485e09a0', 'hex');

INITIAL_SALT?

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----==_mimepart_5c2fb24516cd0_193f3ff9556d45b4177645-- From nobody Fri Jan 4 11:41:59 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6122F130E8E for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 11:41:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.447 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.447 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NUWsafuBOSaI for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 11:41:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9151B130E8D for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 11:41:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2019 11:41:54 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546630914; bh=B2rC67cZKKsk4y7CH2imE2IAlnvGoRa0kdBmCC0roCE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=vzwQ4an3yk463upqqsKMyZUr0vJ1NRcJEmJE9R2d0zY8i86fb0iyNPaqWBMmPLwd5 r2aRQpnt9wipTb/q0x6Xo9ZNKhw62d2xiaZyCqLYmX8K6yQPtIWnH+sCRZq0Dx8lHl FnOqQDjAKSNc9KwCJw5qauaiiM7/WqVkcrpJ64A4= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Test vectors (#2274) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c2fb70243748_61313f8cef8d45bc279530"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2019 19:41:57 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c2fb70243748_61313f8cef8d45bc279530 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've added the test vector to the unit test of quicly, so that I can continue confirming the values as the draft evolves. And of course, the current test vector decrypts successfully. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2274#issuecomment-451547608 ----==_mimepart_5c2fb70243748_61313f8cef8d45bc279530 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I've added the test vector to the unit test of quicly, so that I can continue confirming the values as the draft evolves. And of course, the current test vector decrypts successfully.

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draft-tls section 4.4 (Peer Authentication) states:

A server MUST NOT use post-handshake client authentication (see Section 4.6.2 of [TLS13]).

Why is that? Could we add a sentence explaining why not, or a reference?

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----==_mimepart_5c2fb9e243723_5fa93fb7406d45c018793c-- From nobody Fri Jan 4 14:15:28 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 579CC130E90 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 14:15:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q-n75dDqP8H4 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 14:15:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0AD94130E9B for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 14:15:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2019 14:15:22 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546640122; bh=KGsAGnFMe3mKt27XRgJPQWdUzRZZCQOoF91I4iOrDc8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=xHCmbdE/o2AdaH4MvnBEg0k6IBCRIyG480VohnaqEUWaPm+S5MsWXTrE94p89xPsA GTpm5tpNoUHnBeLqT3ZLIbBhgRVoceHFN3OCVn3d3xDvRWa8jrYRvZtjN0JjFGd3AD 6KbNJU8ZlT05ugGIrPGNqXbesIu33p9H92Es7bKk= From: David Schinazi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Move some long header fields to more appropriate definitions (#2295) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c2fdafac674e_3e253feccdad45b8118481b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DavidSchinazi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2019 22:15:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c2fdafac674e_3e253feccdad45b8118481b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The current definition of the long header defines fields that are not used by half of the long packet types (Initial packets have a token length and token, and retry packets do not have a length). This change moves those fields to the appropriate long packet types for correctness. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2295 -- Commit Summary -- * Move some long header fields to more appropriate definitions -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (218) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2295.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2295.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2295 ----==_mimepart_5c2fdafac674e_3e253feccdad45b8118481b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The current definition of the long header defines fields that are not used by half of the long packet types (Initial packets have a token length and token, and retry packets do not have a length). This change moves those fields to the appropriate long packet types for correctness.

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----==_mimepart_5c2fdafac674e_3e253feccdad45b8118481b-- From nobody Fri Jan 4 14:54:09 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B509130E9A for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 14:54:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.065 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.065 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TKBpMFVd__gL for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 14:54:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5376B126BED for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 14:54:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2019 14:54:04 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546642444; bh=oY4RfvRtPNudGQlrUWK0Kau4Y6Pk8v0gck7IuD8UOQA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=NL9adeY49jdS1wKjs2pLgF3f+zmYw3eRRjnXKjMXIYSgZDbo/q32JV6Q3myYnFOM6 F5zAzbClvR8PqvXIcxoLvH5/rTxj+mOO4Mf7o5zYOvHWnXqb7Jp5vL9foc/gl6RdTf SF38nDlmPW6Op6GCXj71iLTR0HcJIV7fv5oe4SGQ= From: David Schinazi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow servers to send a preferred address of each address family (#2296) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c2fe40c3787c_8883ff0890d45bc179449"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DavidSchinazi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2019 22:54:08 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c2fe40c3787c_8883ff0890d45bc179449 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This change allows servers to send a preferred address of each address family. The previous definition of preferred_address only allowed sending one address family, and this had the disadvantage of picking the non-deterministic address family used by the Initial if the client is performing Happy Eyeballs. Clients may now use the best address family based on their network attachment. Fixes #2122. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2296 -- Commit Summary -- * Allow servers to send a preferred address of each address family -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (9) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2296.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2296.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2296 ----==_mimepart_5c2fe40c3787c_8883ff0890d45bc179449 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This change allows servers to send a preferred address of each address family. The previous definition of preferred_address only allowed sending one address family, and this had the disadvantage of picking the non-deterministic address family used by the Initial if the client is performing Happy Eyeballs. Clients may now use the best address family based on their network attachment.

Fixes #2122.

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This issue was noted by @pravb a while ago. I'm not convinced that this issue needs addressing, but I wanted to document it.

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----==_mimepart_5c2fe8f981c9e_20453fed088d45c0588e4-- From nobody Fri Jan 4 15:37:17 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C858D130EB3 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 15:37:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XBgZRsgPLner for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 15:37:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B8445130EA8 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 15:37:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2019 15:37:12 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546645032; bh=LoRk+oCC3lO5pQBXQ8/mbBJmeJ8EvwyZyY+fO3lEv0I=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=NQVA+dZ4P61ZnbFlWz0UMrqHJL8+5LFKUa+qnB3ujBGmDdvfXk6HYTc2+R6jrwuxL VtXLbUZXlPGOzeCqklL9jdNlMrBaAtULD4+GKKZ7dRpbhuRfs0XVajw0aOHcOcVf+6 tXzzl6VCTiL9jePQZUQLJbtf4VMfR23sfKOpbIL8= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow servers to send a preferred address of each address family (#2296) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c2fee281c003_3b753fb2360d45bc76876"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2019 23:37:16 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c2fee281c003_3b753fb2360d45bc76876 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit janaiyengar commented on this pull request. I'm ok with this change, but @MikeBishop may have opinions and should take a look, since he proposed the PreferredAddress TP. I think I prefer calling this "alternate address". Also, there should probably be some guidance about when these alternate addresses may be used by a client. The current text suggests that a client SHOULD validate them immediately after handshake, but that may be unnecessarily restrictive. I don't see any reason why a client could not validate and/or use these addresses later in the connection. > @@ -2116,6 +2116,9 @@ packets. A server conveys a preferred address by including the preferred_address transport parameter in the TLS handshake. +Servers MAY communicate a preferred address of each address family (IPv4 and I think I would prefer to call this an "alternate" address. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2296#pullrequestreview-189564971 ----==_mimepart_5c2fee281c003_3b753fb2360d45bc76876 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

I'm ok with this change, but @MikeBishop may have opinions and should take a look, since he proposed the PreferredAddress TP. I think I prefer calling this "alternate address".

Also, there should probably be some guidance about when these alternate addresses may be used by a client. The current text suggests that a client SHOULD validate them immediately after handshake, but that may be unnecessarily restrictive. I don't see any reason why a client could not validate and/or use these addresses later in the connection.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2116,6 +2116,9 @@ packets.
 A server conveys a preferred address by including the preferred_address
 transport parameter in the TLS handshake.
 
+Servers MAY communicate a preferred address of each address family (IPv4 and

I think I would prefer to call this an "alternate" address.

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@dtikhonov, @LPardue: Urgh, yes, sorry, I was not thinking straight. I was incorrect.

LTV or TLV, I don't have a strong preference either way.

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Perhaps the text should be "SHOULD", and if the platform doesn't allow it, to "close the connection".

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Equally importantly, would they ever want to indicate a 16 second ack delay, given the latency implications in the current recovery algorithms?

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Looks good, a few comments, mostly minor. One note: ACK Ranges and ECN Counters are not fields, they are composed of fields. I would refrain from calling them fields. > @@ -2841,23 +2841,24 @@ needing acknowledgement are received. The sender can use the receiver's Strategies and implications of the frequency of generating acknowledgments are discussed in more detail in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. -To limit ACK Blocks to those that have not yet been received by the sender, the -receiver SHOULD track which ACK frames have been acknowledged by its peer. Once -an ACK frame has been acknowledged, the packets it acknowledges SHOULD NOT be -acknowledged again. +To limit the ranges of acknowledged packet numbers to those that have not yet +been received by the sender, the receiver SHOULD track which ACK frames have +been acknowledged by its peer. Once an ACK frame has been acknowledged, the +packets it acknowledges SHOULD NOT be acknowledged again. This is now fixed in #2245. > Because ACK frames are not sent in response to ACK-only packets, a receiver that is only sending ACK frames will only receive acknowledgements for its packets if the sender includes them in packets with non-ACK frames. A sender SHOULD bundle ACK frames with other frames when possible. To limit receiver state or the size of ACK frames, a receiver MAY limit the -number of ACK Blocks it sends. A receiver can do this even without receiving -acknowledgment of its ACK frames, with the knowledge this could cause the sender -to unnecessarily retransmit some data. Standard QUIC {{QUIC-RECOVERY}} -algorithms declare packets lost after sufficiently newer packets are -acknowledged. Therefore, the receiver SHOULD repeatedly acknowledge newly -received packets in preference to packets received in the past. +number of ACK Range fields it sends. A receiver can do this even without ```suggestion number of ACK Ranges it sends. A receiver can do this even without ``` > -The ACK frame uses the least significant bit (that is, type 0x03) to indicate -ECN feedback and report receipt of QUIC packets with associated ECN codepoints -of ECT(0), ECT(1), or CE in the packet's IP header. + +### ACK Ranges Section {#ack-ranges-section} ```suggestion ### ACK Ranges {#ack-ranges-section} ``` > -The ACK frame uses the least significant bit (that is, type 0x03) to indicate -ECN feedback and report receipt of QUIC packets with associated ECN codepoints -of ECT(0), ECT(1), or CE in the packet's IP header. + +### ACK Ranges Section {#ack-ranges-section} + +The ACK Range Section consists of alternating Gap and ACK Range fields in ```suggestion The ACK Ranges consists of alternating Gap and ACK Range fields in ``` > -The ACK frame uses the least significant bit (that is, type 0x03) to indicate -ECN feedback and report receipt of QUIC packets with associated ECN codepoints -of ECT(0), ECT(1), or CE in the packet's IP header. + +### ACK Ranges Section {#ack-ranges-section} + +The ACK Range Section consists of alternating Gap and ACK Range fields in +descending packet number order. The First Ack Range field is followed by a +variable number of alternating Gap and ACK Range fields. The number of Gap and This sentence ("The First Ack Range ...") can probably go. > -The ACK frame uses the least significant bit (that is, type 0x03) to indicate -ECN feedback and report receipt of QUIC packets with associated ECN codepoints -of ECT(0), ECT(1), or CE in the packet's IP header. + +### ACK Ranges Section {#ack-ranges-section} + +The ACK Range Section consists of alternating Gap and ACK Range fields in +descending packet number order. The First Ack Range field is followed by a +variable number of alternating Gap and ACK Range fields. The number of Gap and +ACK Range fields is determined by the ACK Range Count field; one of each field +is present for each value in the ACK Range Count field. + +The ACK Ranges field is structured as follows: ```suggestion ACK Ranges are structured as follows: ``` > number of acknowledged packets that precede the largest packet number in that -block. A value of zero indicates that only the largest packet number is -acknowledged. Larger ACK Block values indicate a larger range, with +range. A value of zero indicates that only the largest packet number is +acknowledged. Larger ACK range values indicate a larger range, with ```suggestion acknowledged. Larger ACK Range values indicate a larger range, with ``` > ~~~ -The range of packets that are acknowledged by the ACK Block include the range -from the smallest packet number to the largest, inclusive. +The packets that are acknowledged by the ACK Range include the range from the +smallest packet number to the largest, inclusive. Suggestion: "An ACK Range acknowledges all packet numbers between the smallest packet number and the largest, inclusive." > -: Contains one or more blocks of packet numbers which have been successfully - received, see {{ack-block-section}}. +: A variable-length integer indicating the number of contiguous packets + preceding the Largest Acknowledged that are being acknowledged. I think some more text about parsing this needs to be moved up. How about adding something like: "The smallest value in this range is determined by the formula: ~~~ smallest = Largest Acknowledged - First ACK Range ~~~ The First ACK range acknowledges all packet numbers between the smallest and the Largest Acknowledged, inclusive." > -The largest value for the First ACK Block is determined by the Largest -Acknowledged field; the largest for Additional ACK Blocks is determined by -cumulatively subtracting the size of all preceding ACK Blocks and Gaps. +The largest packet number value for the First ACK Range is determined by the +Largest Acknowledged field; the largest value for subsequent ACK Range fields is Remove this first part about First ACK Range. Start the sentence with: "The largest value for an ACK Range is determined by ..." > The value of the Gap field establishes the largest packet number value for the -ACK Block that follows the gap using the following formula: +ACK Range that follows the gap using the following formula: ```suggestion subsequent ACK Range, using the following formula: ``` > ~~~ largest = previous_smallest - gap - 2 ~~~ -If the calculated value for largest or smallest packet number for any ACK Block +If the calculated value for largest or smallest packet number for any ACK Range ```suggestion If any of these computed packet numbers ``` > is negative, an endpoint MUST generate a connection error of type FRAME_ENCODING_ERROR indicating an error in an ACK frame. -The fields in the ACK Block Section are: - -First ACK Block: - -: A variable-length integer indicating the number of contiguous packets - preceding the Largest Acknowledged that are being acknowledged. +The fields that form the ACK Ranges field are: ```suggestion The fields that form the ACK Ranges are: ``` > is negative, an endpoint MUST generate a connection error of type FRAME_ENCODING_ERROR indicating an error in an ACK frame. -The fields in the ACK Block Section are: - -First ACK Block: - -: A variable-length integer indicating the number of contiguous packets - preceding the Largest Acknowledged that are being acknowledged. +The fields that form the ACK Ranges field are: This should be moved above, to before the entire description of how ACK ranges are to be parsed. Probably to the top of {{ack-range-section}}. > @@ -4310,6 +4317,8 @@ section consists of 3 ECN counters as shown below. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ~~~ +The fields that form the ECN Counters field are: ```suggestion The fields that form the ECN Counters are: ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2197#pullrequestreview-189574193 ----==_mimepart_5c3006a5675c5_26ea3f99300d45b83757e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Looks good, a few comments, mostly minor. One note: ACK Ranges and ECN= Counters are not fields, they are composed of fields. I would refrain fr= om calling them fields.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> @@ -2841,23 +2841,24 @@ needing acknowledg=
ement are received.  The sender can use the receiver's=0D
 Strategies and implications of the frequency of generating acknowledgmen=
ts are=0D
 discussed in more detail in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.=0D
 =0D
-To limit ACK Blocks to those that have not yet been received by the send=
er, the=0D
-receiver SHOULD track which ACK frames have been acknowledged by its pee=
r.  Once=0D
-an ACK frame has been acknowledged, the packets it acknowledges SHOULD N=
OT be=0D
-acknowledged again.=0D
+To limit the ranges of acknowledged packet numbers to those that have no=
t yet=0D
+been received by the sender, the receiver SHOULD track which ACK frames =
have=0D
+been acknowledged by its peer.  Once an ACK frame has been acknowledged,=
 the=0D
+packets it acknowledges SHOULD NOT be acknowledged again.=0D
=0D

This is now fixed in #2245.

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=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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>  =0D
 Because ACK frames are not sent in response to ACK-only packets, a recei=
ver that=0D
 is only sending ACK frames will only receive acknowledgements for its pa=
ckets=0D
 if the sender includes them in packets with non-ACK frames.  A sender SH=
OULD=0D
 bundle ACK frames with other frames when possible.=0D
 =0D
 To limit receiver state or the size of ACK frames, a receiver MAY limit =
the=0D
-number of ACK Blocks it sends.  A receiver can do this even without rece=
iving=0D
-acknowledgment of its ACK frames, with the knowledge this could cause th=
e sender=0D
-to unnecessarily retransmit some data.  Standard QUIC {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}=0D=

-algorithms declare packets lost after sufficiently newer packets are=0D
-acknowledged.  Therefore, the receiver SHOULD repeatedly acknowledge new=
ly=0D
-received packets in preference to packets received in the past.=0D
+number of ACK Range fields it sends.  A receiver can do this even withou=
t=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-number of ACK Range fields it sends.  A recei=
ver can do this even without=0D
+number of ACK Ranges it sends.  A receiver can do this even without=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
>  =0D
-The ACK frame uses the least significant bit (that is, type 0x03) to ind=
icate=0D
-ECN feedback and report receipt of QUIC packets with associated ECN code=
points=0D
-of ECT(0), ECT(1), or CE in the packet's IP header.=0D
+=0D
+### ACK Ranges Section {#ack-ranges-section}=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-### ACK Ranges Section {#ack-ranges-section}=0D=

+### ACK Ranges {#ack-ranges-section}=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
>  =0D
-The ACK frame uses the least significant bit (that is, type 0x03) to ind=
icate=0D
-ECN feedback and report receipt of QUIC packets with associated ECN code=
points=0D
-of ECT(0), ECT(1), or CE in the packet's IP header.=0D
+=0D
+### ACK Ranges Section {#ack-ranges-section}=0D
+=0D
+The ACK Range Section consists of alternating Gap and ACK Range fields i=
n=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-The ACK Range Section consists of alternating=
 Gap and ACK Range fields in=0D
+The ACK Ranges consists of alternating Gap and ACK Range fields in=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
>  =0D
-The ACK frame uses the least significant bit (that is, type 0x03) to ind=
icate=0D
-ECN feedback and report receipt of QUIC packets with associated ECN code=
points=0D
-of ECT(0), ECT(1), or CE in the packet's IP header.=0D
+=0D
+### ACK Ranges Section {#ack-ranges-section}=0D
+=0D
+The ACK Range Section consists of alternating Gap and ACK Range fields i=
n=0D
+descending packet number order.  The First Ack Range field is followed b=
y a=0D
+variable number of alternating Gap and ACK Range fields.  The number of =
Gap and=0D
=0D

This sentence ("The First Ack Range ...") can probably go.

=0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
>  =0D
-The ACK frame uses the least significant bit (that is, type 0x03) to ind=
icate=0D
-ECN feedback and report receipt of QUIC packets with associated ECN code=
points=0D
-of ECT(0), ECT(1), or CE in the packet's IP header.=0D
+=0D
+### ACK Ranges Section {#ack-ranges-section}=0D
+=0D
+The ACK Range Section consists of alternating Gap and ACK Range fields i=
n=0D
+descending packet number order.  The First Ack Range field is followed b=
y a=0D
+variable number of alternating Gap and ACK Range fields.  The number of =
Gap and=0D
+ACK Range fields is determined by the ACK Range Count field; one of each=
 field=0D
+is present for each value in the ACK Range Count field.=0D
+=0D
+The ACK Ranges field is structured as follows:=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-The ACK Ranges field is structured as follows=
:=0D
+ACK Ranges are structured as follows:=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
>  number of acknowledged packets that prece=
de the largest packet number in that=0D
-block.  A value of zero indicates that only the largest packet number is=
=0D
-acknowledged.  Larger ACK Block values indicate a larger range, with=0D
+range.  A value of zero indicates that only the largest packet number is=
=0D
+acknowledged.  Larger ACK range values indicate a larger range, with=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-acknowledged.  Larger ACK range values indica=
te a larger range, with=0D
+acknowledged.  Larger ACK Range values indicate a larger range, with=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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>  ~~~=0D
 =0D
-The range of packets that are acknowledged by the ACK Block include the =
range=0D
-from the smallest packet number to the largest, inclusive.=0D
+The packets that are acknowledged by the ACK Range include the range fro=
m the=0D
+smallest packet number to the largest, inclusive.=0D
=0D

Suggestion: "An ACK Range acknowledges all packet numbers between the = smallest packet number and the largest, inclusive."

=0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
>  =0D
-: Contains one or more blocks of packet numbers which have been successf=
ully=0D
-  received, see {{ack-block-section}}.=0D
+: A variable-length integer indicating the number of contiguous packets=0D=

+  preceding the Largest Acknowledged that are being acknowledged.=0D
=0D

I think some more text about parsing this needs to be moved up. How ab= out adding something like:

=0D

"The smallest value in this range is determined by the formula:

=0D= 
   smallest =3D Largest Acknowledged - First ACK Range=0D
=0D

The First ACK range acknowledges all packet numbers between the smalle= st and the Largest Acknowledged, inclusive."

=0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
>  =0D
-The largest value for the First ACK Block is determined by the Largest=0D=

-Acknowledged field; the largest for Additional ACK Blocks is determined =
by=0D
-cumulatively subtracting the size of all preceding ACK Blocks and Gaps.=0D=

+The largest packet number value for the First ACK Range is determined by=
 the=0D
+Largest Acknowledged field; the largest value for subsequent ACK Range f=
ields is=0D
=0D

Remove this first part about First ACK Range. Start the sentence with:= "The largest value for an ACK Range is determined by ..."

=0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
>  =0D
 The value of the Gap field establishes the largest packet number value f=
or the=0D
-ACK Block that follows the gap using the following formula:=0D
+ACK Range that follows the gap using the following formula:=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-ACK Range that follows the gap using the foll=
owing formula:=0D
+subsequent ACK Range, using the following formula:=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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>  =0D
 ~~~=0D
   largest =3D previous_smallest - gap - 2=0D
 ~~~=0D
 =0D
-If the calculated value for largest or smallest packet number for any AC=
K Block=0D
+If the calculated value for largest or smallest packet number for any AC=
K Range=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-If the calculated value for largest or smalle=
st packet number for any ACK Range=0D
+If any of these computed packet numbers=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
>  is negative, an endpoint MUST generate a =
connection error of type=0D
 FRAME_ENCODING_ERROR indicating an error in an ACK frame.=0D
 =0D
-The fields in the ACK Block Section are:=0D
-=0D
-First ACK Block:=0D
-=0D
-: A variable-length integer indicating the number of contiguous packets=0D=

-  preceding the Largest Acknowledged that are being acknowledged.=0D
+The fields that form the ACK Ranges field are:=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-The fields that form the ACK Ranges field are=
:=0D
+The fields that form the ACK Ranges are:=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
>  is negative, an endpoint MUST generate a =
connection error of type=0D
 FRAME_ENCODING_ERROR indicating an error in an ACK frame.=0D
 =0D
-The fields in the ACK Block Section are:=0D
-=0D
-First ACK Block:=0D
-=0D
-: A variable-length integer indicating the number of contiguous packets=0D=

-  preceding the Largest Acknowledged that are being acknowledged.=0D
+The fields that form the ACK Ranges field are:=0D
=0D

This should be moved above, to before the entire description of how AC= K ranges are to be parsed. Probably to the top of {{ack-range-section}}.<= /p>=0D =0D

=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> @@ -4310,6 +4317,8 @@ section consists of =
3 ECN counters as shown below.=0D
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=0D
 ~~~=0D
 =0D
+The fields that form the ECN Counters field are:=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-The fields that form the ECN Counters field a=
re:=0D
+The fields that form the ECN Counters are:=0D
=0D =0D =0D

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----==_mimepart_5c30071b2c618_1d9f3ff7fd8d45c04381-- From nobody Fri Jan 4 17:31:21 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8175130DE3 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 17:31:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.661 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.661 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1uak1xEtYg1O for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 17:31:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A808F12D4E7 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 17:31:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2019 17:31:16 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546651876; bh=+BKyop462X4acPpUzd801wsp0sacXwx1mV18ym1RuGI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Bnetq3Tesck4LUavr19gE9xPMjeART1b28wqd53GmbBTOq1vMY0DmgNX0oudEh1+Q ncLopWQ6T4ZTWfgOQkPOrakeWzkHGQuExsAK3LFRVnniHE8RAtumYPaRHPOeMCUubH I1ZfG3xA5dNiK5H68Oe4EDLqp3jGWTeHbxPmlkrc= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clarify Actions on nonzero Reserved Bits (#2280) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c3008e4aa09e_32733fb4094d45c010167f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2019 01:31:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c3008e4aa09e_32733fb4094d45c010167f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit janaiyengar commented on this pull request. > @@ -3402,9 +3402,10 @@ Reserved Bits (R): : The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x0c) of byte 0 are reserved. These bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of {{QUIC-TLS}}). - The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0. An endpoint MUST - treat receipt of a packet that has a non-zero value for these bits after - removing protection as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. + The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0. An endpoint MUST treat + receipt of a packet that has a non-zero value for these bits after removing + packet (not just header) protection as a connection error of type Isn't "packet protection" enough? I don't think you need to say "not just header" -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2280#discussion_r245460883 ----==_mimepart_5c3008e4aa09e_32733fb4094d45c010167f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3402,9 +3402,10 @@ Reserved Bits (R):
 
 : The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x0c) of byte 0 are reserved.  These
   bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of {{QUIC-TLS}}).
-  The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0.  An endpoint MUST
-  treat receipt of a packet that has a non-zero value for these bits after
-  removing protection as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.
+  The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0.  An endpoint MUST treat
+  receipt of a packet that has a non-zero value for these bits after removing
+  packet (not just header) protection as a connection error of type

Isn't "packet protection" enough? I don't think you need to say "not just header"

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Not relevant to this PR, but @martinthomson : there are other side-channels in QUIC sadly. One could simply (at a high level) observe whether an ACK is sent or not, for instance.

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One advice here could be that if a server needs the client to not move to a different IP address, it can simply disable migration via the disable_migration TP. This is a policy decision of course. Does this belong in the applicability draft?

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Agreed, if you're doing IP based ACLing, disabling connection migration seems wise.

Otherwise, there's nothing the client can do and the server has to set it's own policy. Applicability seems like a fine place for this.

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I'd rather have more small changes. I find #2197 large and hard to fully understand the implications of.

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@marten-seemann commented on this pull request.

I also added the vector to a unit test of quic-go, and I'm getting the same values.
As noted in my in-line comment, I'd prefer to use different packet numbers for both packets sent from client and server.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +
+~~~
+060040c4010000c003036660261ff947 cea49cce6cfad687f457cf1b14531ba1
+4131a0e8f309a1d0b9c4000006130113 031302010000910000000b0009000006
+736572766572ff01000100000a001400 12001d00170018001901000101010201
+03010400230000003300260024001d00 204cfdfcd178b784bf328cae793b136f
+2aedce005ff183d7bb14952072366470 37002b0003020304000d0020001e0403
+05030603020308040805080604010501 060102010402050206020202002d0002
+0101001c00024001
+~~~
+
+The unprotected header includes the connection ID and a 4 byte packet number
+encoding:
+
+~~~
+c3ff000012508394c8f03e51570800449f00000000

Can we use a different packet number than 0 here? XORing the IV with 0 is special case when calculating the nonce for the AEAD, so I'd prefer to use any other value here.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +
+The server sends the following payload in response, including an ACK frame, a
+CRYPTO frame, and no PADDING frames:
+
+~~~
+0d0000000018410a020000560303eefc e7f7b37ba1d1632e96677825ddf73988
+cfc79825df566dc5430b9a045a120013 0100002e00330024001d00209d3c940d
+89690b84d08a60993c144eca684d1081 287c834d5311bcf32bb9da1a002b0002
+0304
+~~~
+
+The header from the server includes a new connection ID and a 2-byte packet
+number encoding:
+
+~~~
+c1ff00001205f067a5502a4262b50040740000

Same here.

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Do they take > 16 seconds to wake up?

I don't think so, but if we settle on a low value, it is worth keeping in mind.

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Actually NarrowBand-IoT is just about to be deployed on the danish mobil net, and from what I understand sensor latency is between 1-10s, but I don't know how that translates into network packet processing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narrowband_IoT

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I think my change makes it clearer. If people think this is a bad change, I'll kill the PR.

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----==_mimepart_5c313f89c1059_38d93ff6c1ed45c082733-- From nobody Sun Jan 6 00:59:06 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57975131021 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 00:59:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.66 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.66 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pi5PAW_dZPKr for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 00:59:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5DD0C12D4F1 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 00:59:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2019 00:59:00 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546765140; bh=VDFYld3t7EVG9agfpNltW83hsxD8ha8HNYXWzWmmP2A=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=dfqcI+wu7jvq+5UoBFjuYamJunK/UYkeLgtiy03n1PQLetbAaLbl+1WWvU17o2bco FibUQBWBnvUrPCnaqYVsktU+efhkDCqW6lKPycU5kv0A/ZZlcoH1XJWQQhR4lKc3rZ awjC+PqRjvEvy5WJ+2+bJf1dZRSWR5J11U+/K5qQ= From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] fix description of FINAL_OFFSET_ERROR (#2297) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c31c354ac912_5ada3fc7596d45c46856a8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2019 08:59:04 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c31c354ac912_5ada3fc7596d45c46856a8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2297 -- Commit Summary -- * fix description of FINAL_OFFSET_ERROR -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (9) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2297.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2297.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2297 ----==_mimepart_5c31c354ac912_5ada3fc7596d45c46856a8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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I can't find text about this case anywhere.

A peer that receives an acknowledgement for a packet that it didn't send should be required to close the connection. I'm not sure which error code to use for that though, none of those currently defined really matches this case, so you'd have to use INTERNAL_ERROR. We might want to consider introducing a more specific error code.

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Our varint encoding has the unpleasant property that it's possible to encode numbers in multiple ways. This leads to rather clumsy language when it comes to the frame encoding:

The Frame Type field uses a variable length integer encoding (see Section 16) with one exception. To ensure simple and efficient implementations of frame parsing, a frame type MUST use the shortest possible encoding. Though a two-, four- or eight-byte encoding of the frame types defined in this document is possible, the Frame Type field for these frames is encoded on a single byte.

The easy fix for this is to make the varint encoding unique, such that every number can only be encoded in a single way. This is a very straightforward change from what we have today:
The 1-byte numbers would still encode the values from 0 to 63, but the 2-byte numbers would encode the values between 64 and 16,447 (instead of encoding the range between 0 and 16,383), etc.

While a simplification of the spec is the main advantage of this change, it has the nice property that it slightly increases the encoding efficiency.

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I have also argued for this in the past, but it breaks down when conservatively allocate to bytes for a length that is unknown. Then you'd have to memmove if the length only require one byte.

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Sure. Don't do that! It's definitely possible to use varints everywhere (I have a (roughly) draft-17 compliant implementation, I'm always using the shortest possible varint encoding, and I don't need to memmove anywhere in order to achieve that).

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----==_mimepart_5c31e1f51e53_49c33fa9d7ad45c447706f-- From nobody Sun Jan 6 05:09:01 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B4D1131030 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 05:08:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.065 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.065 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5llYBPVZuHQh for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 05:08:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D11113102F for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 05:08:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2019 05:08:55 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546780135; bh=/OAJRbpKgracmyYoBuVi9KYd9qNmGEoT6UXPgAOiusI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=0z9LpFrH8qRl3Tx/CmwMAXFio0jazxfMr1z8NxxG51B3IRfisifZsK7tkvdAv563N W1arrOzpJb097PP7ysc8MKJ2fPZW+P6EgiMQbqFDac5N0FrUZJ8acUupIwR2GW3f6R ir+6r4xs+3BUwdZaqE18E2QJ5qyFpnBmHwm0mhJ0= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] consider making the varint encoding unique (#2299) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c31fde79f076_74ac3ff6c1ed45c03716e1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2019 13:09:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c31fde79f076_74ac3ff6c1ed45c03716e1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Conceptually this is nice and I think @ekr has mentioned this as well in the past. But as @mikkelfj said, we'd have to carefully think through whether it causes some packetization headaches in practice. Thinking through our current gQUIC implementation, I don't think it would cause problems. I guess one could always add a byte or two of padding if the number was shorter than the reserved length? This prevents or makes very awkward (for better or worse) picking fixed serialization sizes for specific cases(ie: ack blocks and gaps are always 2 bytes) and writing serialization code that assumes that. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2299#issuecomment-451740417 ----==_mimepart_5c31fde79f076_74ac3ff6c1ed45c03716e1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Conceptually this is nice and I think @ekr has mentioned this as= well in the past.

But as @mikkelfj said, we'd have to carefully think through = whether it causes some packetization headaches in practice. Thinking thr= ough our current gQUIC implementation, I don't think it would cause probl= ems. I guess one could always add a byte or two of padding if the number= was shorter than the reserved length?

This prevents or makes very awkward (for better or worse) picking fixe= d serialization sizes for specific cases(ie: ack blocks and gaps are alwa= ys 2 bytes) and writing serialization code that assumes that.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c31fde79f076_74ac3ff6c1ed45c03716e1-- From nobody Sun Jan 6 08:02:23 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C77B127B4C for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 08:02:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.063 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.063 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AlwSva9qhoTp for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 08:02:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9250F1277BB for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 08:02:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2019 08:02:18 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546790538; bh=OTXobpass3tHbibcGTaPuCo9Mk07WQ2nXfOT8+NwJhE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=wPlE3c+Pr8hM43kXA0RXAtkHvwxW0GAYltY0vk9t+Dhc7VpwcyOENVHcZyUhwqko4 nkqhLMlVNvdcqQw7hK/niEHLU1/V0k8wOUNuySn4CiLJ7YcGITjC2IoPUqqNaRLtgL jfiT11adVCf81HrSaejP0s+qfodFexJqHN9rvunE= From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] consider making the varint encoding unique (#2299) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c32268a12d8c_ce03fed16ed45c04726fd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2019 16:02:21 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c32268a12d8c_ce03fed16ed45c04726fd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are places where the shortest possible encoding is an important property to have, such as frame types. There are also places where it is not important, such as long header's payload length. Losing the flexibility afforded by allowing fixed-size varints is one way to fix the clumsy language. The other way is to fix the clumsy language. I suggest we add a definition for the shortest possible varint encoding to [Section 16](https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-17#section-16)—we can call it _minimal_ varint encoding or something of the sort—and reference it in other parts of the documents as appropriate. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2299#issuecomment-451752836 ----==_mimepart_5c32268a12d8c_ce03fed16ed45c04726fd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

There are places where the shortest possible encoding is an important = property to have, such as frame types. There are also places where it is = not important, such as long header's payload length.

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Losing the flexibility afforded by allowing fixed-size varints is one = way to fix the clumsy language. The other way is to fix the clumsy langua= ge.

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I suggest we add a definition for the shortest possible varint encodin= g to Section 16=E2=80=94we can call it mi= nimal varint encoding or something of the sort=E2=80=94and reference= it in other parts of the documents as appropriate.

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=0D= =0D = ----==_mimepart_5c32268a12d8c_ce03fed16ed45c04726fd-- From nobody Sun Jan 6 08:25:52 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A41A128BCC for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 08:25:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id APl55Qx33y1R for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 08:25:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 94E2412894E for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 08:25:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2019 08:25:47 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546791947; bh=dHScHxkyMGYBRIvh4LIm+b8v0xcLcoTE5yi56pjlShk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=TPUNQrAoaa+mbYZD9IXln7jPCa655fhjEj+wrnZX6rxn8wfjfMbyeQJfcmD9dn3QM 3aYxv+8qmairkPU5hQU5sQieBPz+njxJn4S9EJBxtNRQ+ol7VsYC+gJ/fNoCECVLOU YXRuIXUoOyQbldsSsdm/XLSetiivVrsIDTRaPXqg= From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] consider making the varint encoding unique (#2299) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c322c0b94c3e_61373fa85a4d45bc9410cc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2019 16:25:51 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c322c0b94c3e_61373fa85a4d45bc9410cc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Losing the flexibility afforded by allowing fixed-size varints is one way to fix the clumsy language. The other way is to fix the clumsy language. It's not only the language that's clumsy. The fact that we have to make this distinction at all is clumsy. I see little value in having flexibility where it's not needed, especially if it adds weird corner cases elsewhere. I'm aware that reserving a longer value and filling it in later is a lazy way to implement the varint encoding, but I didn't find it particularly hard to write my code in a way that allows me to always use the optimal encoding. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2299#issuecomment-451754606 ----==_mimepart_5c322c0b94c3e_61373fa85a4d45bc9410cc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Losing the flexibility afforded by allowing fixed-size varints is one = way to fix the clumsy language. The other way is to fix the clumsy langua= ge.

It's not only the language that's clumsy. The fact that we have to mak= e this distinction at all is clumsy.
I see little value in having flexibility where it's not needed, especiall= y if it adds weird corner cases elsewhere. I'm aware that reserving a lon= ger value and filling it in later is a lazy way to implement the varint e= ncoding, but I didn't find it particularly hard to write my code in a way= that allows me to always use the optimal encoding.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c322c0b94c3e_61373fa85a4d45bc9410cc-- From nobody Sun Jan 6 09:53:51 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0127A1286D9 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 09:53:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id au62KgwEV70b for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 09:53:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 01F2F1277D2 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 09:53:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2019 09:53:45 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546797225; bh=AbbV0GqYLJAnKhfF1iQfftXtvMnNr1VpLDszTQSEGN4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=XpHwaIcsByfExoEQd+15vvnetnbDpDRQ3pzdfw8FaNneKJeqTRN2EzQxfTn/ay5b7 lacX7UHWuHk7s9vIqcJqqQgmc3l1NqOZk8k12ssc6Om9CMgGijWg3JS+2yBCRHR21o G3Nl261SqAcqU1sJ6T9dIKOVh0Sn4AoWrML5N0OA= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] consider making the varint encoding unique (#2299) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c3240a9c840a_633c3fb4094d45c056365a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2019 17:53:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c3240a9c840a_633c3fb4094d45c056365a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a mixed feeling about the proposal. Generally speaking, I prefer using a canonical encoding. OTOH, there are cases that you do not know the length beforehand, and IIRC we have in the past built consensus based on the fact that people can use 2-byte varint for expressing values between 0 to 63. FWIW, the fields that would be problemsome would be: length field of long header packets, frame lengths of HEADERS and PUSH_PROMISE frames. The lengths are determined after building the contents, and therefore the length of the lengths cannot be predetermined. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2299#issuecomment-451760731 ----==_mimepart_5c3240a9c840a_633c3fb4094d45c056365a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have a mixed feeling about the proposal. Generally speaking, I prefe= r using a canonical encoding.

OTOH, there are cases that you do not know the length beforehand, and = IIRC we have in the past built consensus based on the fact that people ca= n use 2-byte varint for expressing values between 0 to 63.

FWIW, the fields that would be problemsome would be: length field of l= ong header packets, frame lengths of HEADERS and PUSH_PROMISE frames. The= lengths are determined after building the contents, and therefore the le= ngth of the lengths cannot be predetermined.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c3240a9c840a_633c3fb4094d45c056365a-- From nobody Sun Jan 6 10:01:52 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB9F7128CB7 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 10:01:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.065 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.065 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sF59ol1ZTVZG for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 10:01:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EB366127B4C for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 10:01:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2019 10:01:39 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546797699; bh=pCoCV0dISjmnJ3K0MDeHMpD3cXEQfs+H/qXElfZq9Kw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=cD9N2yHJk2nkiVha3wIV9yhhb6itflx7kh9RtMMXtmWLNAeCA1ITo+gKreGAFqa12 TJGIPJFn+IpAhp7CwEEqL7YKJ3LLx0WH4BQgk0B7DnvR/9U+CgtGuFJpAmBpMm+k0f 9h1i2D8x3o9UskLQw9pqh8DMUqtsx5XL0Nb/Ls5A= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] missing description of what happens when receiving an ACK for an unsent packet (#2298) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c324283d68f9_3fdc3ff7fd8d45c07479e7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2019 18:01:45 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c324283d68f9_3fdc3ff7fd8d45c07479e7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I'm not sure which error code to use for that though, none of those currently defined really matches this case, so you'd have to use INTERNAL_ERROR. I think you are expected to use PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in such case. Quoting from editors' draft: _An endpoint detected an error with protocol compliance that was not covered by more specific error codes._ > A peer that receives an acknowledgement for a packet that it didn't send should be required to close the connection. FWIW, I think that the requirement should be no stronger than "SHOULD if detected", to avoid endpoints memoizing the gaps for the previous 231 range. I assume that endpoints would typically just drop packets carrying a PN that is deemed too old. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2298#issuecomment-451761344 ----==_mimepart_5c324283d68f9_3fdc3ff7fd8d45c07479e7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm not sure which error code to use for that though, none of those cu= rrently defined really matches this case, so you'd have to use INTERNAL_E= RROR.

I think you are expected to use PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in such case. Quoti= ng from editors' draft: An endpoint detected an error with protocol c= ompliance that was not covered by more specific error codes.

A peer that receives an acknowledgement for a packet that it didn't se= nd should be required to close the connection.

FWIW, I think that the requirement should be no stronger than "SHOULD = if detected", to avoid endpoints memoizing the gaps for the previous 231 range. I assume that endpoints would typically just drop packe= ts carrying a PN that is deemed too old.

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In WinQuic we have a special function just for encoding a varint expli= citly two bytes that we use for the payload length in long headers. It wo= uld be extremely difficult to update this code to always= use the shortest encoding without having to memmove the entire payload a= fter it has been written to the packet buffer.

Looking up at the requirement for shortest possible frame type, I don'= t understand why that's even necessary to require this. Obviously it's mo= re efficient on the wire, but as far as implementation processing efficie= ncy goes, it would make little difference in the grand scheme of things (= a majority of all CPU will be spent in encryption/decryption). So, we can= recommend the shortest encoding, but I don't think we should kill the co= nnection if a particular implementation does always use that.

I'd prefer to leave the varint as is and remove any requirements for a= particular encoding length.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-An endpoint will know the final offset for a stream when the receiving part of
-the stream enters the "Size Known" or "Reset Recvd" state ({{stream-states}}).
+For a
+stream that is reset, the final size is carried explicitly in a RESET_STREAM
+frame.  Otherwise, the final size is the offset plus the length of a STREAM

Isn't that a protocol violation triggering FINAL_OFFSET_ERROR (to be renamed to FINAL_SIZE_ERROR)? Quoting from the draft: an endpoint received a RESET_STREAM frame containing a final offset that was lower than the maximum offset of data that was already received.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-The final offset is the count of the number of bytes that are transmitted on a
-stream.  For a stream that is reset, the final offset is carried explicitly in a
-RESET_STREAM frame.  Otherwise, the final offset is the offset of the end of the
-data carried in a STREAM frame marked with a FIN flag, or 0 in the case of
-incoming unidirectional streams.
+The final size is the amount of flow control credit that is consumed by a
+stream.  Assuming that every contiguous byte on the stream was sent, the final

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This is always considered to be an Optimistic ACK attack. The only response is to treat the peer as hostile.

https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#rfc.section.21.3

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I assume that endpoints would typically just drop packets carrying a P= N that is deemed too old.

If an endpoint cannot prove it didn't send the packet, it should just = ignore the ACK for that particular packet. The congestion controller shou= ld not be sensitive to packets that old, so the Optimistic ACK attack is = harmless in this case. Dropping the entire packet containing an ACK with = an old packet is likely too strong - ignoring the ACK for the packet is s= ufficient. If a peer continually sends ACK's for very old packets, that m= ight go under weird behaviour similar to sending too many gaps, and an im= plementation could decide the peer is being too confused and close the co= nnection with an error.

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FYI: the reason this always needs to be treated as hostile (when prova= ble) is because it is the only defence against the potentially very harmf= ul optimistic ack attack. There are very few other other reasons to have = gaps in the range, such as when having multiple concurrent transmit queue= s.

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Looking up at the requirement for shortest possible frame type, I don'= t understand why that's even necessary to require this.

This is because it allows for efficient switch constructs when decodin= g the frames. This avoids additional complexity during decode. There is d= ifference between enumerations such as frame types, and length values. En= umerations should be uniquely encoded whereas it could be argued that len= gths need not due to the memmov issue.

I'm not sure that vast overhead goes to decryption because this is typ= ically 3 cycles per byte so you could easily double the time overhead if = you have many small frames that are processed inefficiently.

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Good point on long header packets. I think we should consider changing the long header length to 2 byte lengths if we did this.

Given this is introducing churn and I'm not clear it's adding a lot of value, I'd say we shouldn't do this at the moment.

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@ianswett I was almost about to propose the same thing. Th= is would make all encodings canonical - I think there is value in that. T= he reason I hesitated is that perhaps there are cases where 1 byte length= s makes a difference even if lazy implementations use 2 bytes.

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@DavidSchinazi I think a tweak to your previous sugges= tion is probably best here: "If a server receives a coalesced QUIC packet= that causes it to send a Retry or Version Negotiation packet, the server= SHOULD silently drop all subsequent coalesced packets in this UDP datagr= am.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -778,13 +778,7 @@ Pseudocode for SetLossDetectionTimer follows:
 
 ~~~
  SetLossDetectionTimer():
-    // Don't arm timer if there are no ack-eliciting packets
-    // in flight.
-    if (no ack-eliciting packets in flight):
-      loss_detection_timer.cancel()
-      return
-
-    if (crypto packets are in flight):
+    if (crypto packets are in flight || handshaking client):

I agree the pseudocode doesn't match the text, but I think the term "handshaking client" is not specific enough a definition to use in the pseudocode.

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I like this idea, one suggestion.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2116,6 +2116,9 @@ packets.
 A server conveys a preferred address by including the preferred_address
 transport parameter in the TLS handshake.
 
+Servers MAY communicate a preferred address of each address family (IPv4 and

If you're speaking of "preferred" address, this is consistent with the rest of the text. If you want to change the name, I'd suggest opening a separate issue.

I'm happy with preferred, since if it's just alternate, why would the client change? Alternate implies no preference, when in fact the server does prefer the other address.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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    struct {
-     enum { IPv4(4), IPv6(6), (15) } ipVersion;
-     opaque ipAddress<4..2^8-1>;
+     opaque ipv4Address<0..2^8-1>;

Aren't these two fields now fixed sizes? If so, any reason not to specify those?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -778,13 +778,7 @@ Pseudocode for SetLossDetectionTimer follows:
 
 ~~~
  SetLossDetectionTimer():
-    // Don't arm timer if there are no ack-eliciting packets
-    // in flight.
-    if (no ack-eliciting packets in flight):
-      loss_detection_timer.cancel()
-      return
-
-    if (crypto packets are in flight):
+    if (crypto packets are in flight || handshaking client):

Yeah, I wasn't sure what to go with. Should I introduce a new defined variable?

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This adds @ianswett's recommendation about only sending flow control frames when there are other frames to send. Though I added another note about the peer being explicitly blocked, which I think is a useful transition to the next paragraph. Closes #2083. Commit: ac630214da1db388e8cde6428431312517d278b1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ac630214da1db388e8cde6428431312517d278b1 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-01-07 (Mon, 07 Jan 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Optimization suggestion only Commit: b146756aa0d774cc43607582a7612af9552a7693 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b146756aa0d774cc43607582a7612af9552a7693 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-01-06 (Sun, 06 Jan 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2240 from quicwg/im-on-a-boat Adjust autotuning recommendations Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/e7196983ed2d...b146756aa0d7 **NOTE:** This service has been marked for deprecation: https://developer.github.com/changes/2018-04-25-github-services-deprecation/ Functionality will be removed from GitHub.com on January 31st, 2019. ----==_mimepart_5c327ce5fd1e_56cc2aacd4b8a578327d0-- From nobody Sun Jan 6 14:10:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC003130E77 for ; 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The original requirement was, I think, from HTTP.SYS, so @Mik= eBishop might be able to provide more insight there. There, you can = have different applications sharing the same connection, I recall. Wheth= er that is advisable, I haven't thought through fully. I think that gate= ways/reverse proxies were a case for this more than (forward) proxies.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not entirely satisfied with the outcome here. Is this the MAX_STREAM_DATA text that is problematic? > The MAX_STREAM_DATA frame (type=0x11) is used in flow control to inform a peer of the maximum amount of data that can be sent on a stream. Because I don't see a problem there. As a maximum, it naturally doesn't need to concern itself with gaps. You just can't send the maximum if you leave gaps. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2262#issuecomment-451780573 ----==_mimepart_5c327f96f2668_14fb3f80ab8d45bc92375 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm not entirely satisfied with the outcome here. Is this the MAX_STR= EAM_DATA text that is problematic?

The MAX_STREAM_DATA frame (type=3D0x11) is used in flow control to inf= orm a peer of the maximum amount of data that can be sent on a stream.

Because I don't see a problem there. As a maximum, it naturally doesn= 't need to concern itself with gaps. You just can't send the maximum if = you leave gaps.

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The reason is a little complicated, and [the only citation we have]((<= a href=3D"https://httpwg.org/http-extensions/draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-sec= ondary-certs.html#http2" rel=3D"nofollow">https://httpwg.org/http-extensi= ons/draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-secondary-certs.html#http2) is neither m= ature enough to cite, nor direct enough to really answer the question pro= perly.

The problem here is mostly being able to attribute the authentication = with activity at the application layer, which is hard in a highly asynchr= onous, concurrent protocol. Add a sprinkling of confused deputy.

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This has several advantages: (#2235) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c32827173f73_7b933fc7596d45c44671a6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2019 22:34:28 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c32827173f73_7b933fc7596d45c44671a6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I interpreted @janaiyengar's comment to mean that when you read a QUIC frame it's in a datagram, so it's probably all sitting in memory. With a streamed frame, you might not have all of the frame in place. 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I interpreted @janaiyengar's comment to mean that when you read a QUIC frame it's in a datagram, so it's probably all sitting in memory. With a streamed frame, you might not have all of the frame in place. You might only have the length.

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----==_mimepart_5c32827173f73_7b933fc7596d45c44671a6-- From nobody Sun Jan 6 14:56:14 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DFF2130EB3 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 14:56:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.964 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.964 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qIffgup5a-h5 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 14:56:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from m71-131.mailgun.net (m71-131.mailgun.net [166.78.71.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F037E130E93 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 14:56:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1546815366; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=lCyMg2wGR3h073is2/c9hJIYZ4z08yn6+POAcsGS55s=; b=CimJ4x/0ZyZcrrnig5VGxpyRHiHgCrElEYH0fCEyZay2Bi/v9UQR9MzfjKXbrBAnuIAmS2fr bRrvKMVgrHZuf5OZL2uQwAFxn2UcwhfOLnXF1h5bqTTIBdnfm0MtN6nPMiIF9J6Z0/gRNoVQ YV03FB/QFrdIDfrzdbAKs2GbLc4= X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.71.131 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Sender: mt=lowentropy.net@github.com Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.44]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 5c328785.7f80c5f6aa20-smtp-out-n01; Sun, 06 Jan 2019 22:56:05 -0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2019 14:56:04 -0800 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5c3287845089_414d2aad94976578582ec@hookshot-fe-6e9b612.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 1b928f: Discard Initial keys as soon as possible Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c328784499a_414d2aad94976578581d4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2019 22:56:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c328784499a_414d2aad94976578581d4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Branch: refs/heads/shuffle-ack Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 1b928f21b3b50aecf271fdda148c693b660edca5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1b928f21b3b50aecf271fd= da148c693b660edca5 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-23 (Fri, 23 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Discard Initial keys as soon as possible Closes #1951. Commit: 651f0ef36217eb3ac6ca74fa6b79a23674abc22f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/651f0ef36217eb3ac6ca74= fa6b79a23674abc22f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-28 (Wed, 28 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add mention of discarding Initial to transport Commit: 1c76c90291b4c132cf53feb91dc0de5cb89a6847 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1c76c90291b4c132cf53fe= b91dc0de5cb89a6847 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-28 (Wed, 28 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add more stuff to transport about CRYPTO discards Commit: 98feded4a7630c7c0b6cfd47066d671706d1c25b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/98feded4a7630c7c0b6cfd= 47066d671706d1c25b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-11-28 (Wed, 28 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- when Commit: 6c799839506c61b7cf0d3fa9e6483d86556571f4 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6c799839506c61b7cf0d3f= a9e6483d86556571f4 Author: Christian Huitema Date: 2018-11-28 (Wed, 28 Nov 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #9 from quicwg/master Align November 28 Commit: 5069203066a8a5302f60cbfe215d940dd4c4f9d8 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5069203066a8a5302f60cb= fe215d940dd4c4f9d8 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-05 (Wed, 05 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Tweaks based on review feedback Commit: 46486dc1191b0ca0f08203597dde6d419e466bf0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/46486dc1191b0ca0f08203= 597dde6d419e466bf0 Author: martinduke Date: 2018-12-06 (Thu, 06 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Make in_flight the criterion for declaring loss If a packet contains just ACKs and PADDING, it is not retransmittable but= must be declared lost to free up the congestion window space. Commit: 7ce9746886d1b3d5b638f8bc24dc8defc1891f3c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7ce9746886d1b3d5b638f8= bc24dc8defc1891f3c Author: ianswett Date: 2018-12-07 (Fri, 07 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' into patch-31 Commit: b290a95ceecc5df8ef291211502af941bbbf045b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b290a95ceecc5df8ef2912= 11502af941bbbf045b Author: ianswett Date: 2018-12-07 (Fri, 07 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: f433c69b3c1334f73fb32424c45d0c9b99eb3f30 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f433c69b3c1334f73fb324= 24c45d0c9b99eb3f30 Author: Igor Lubashev Date: 2018-12-09 (Sun, 09 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Clarification and minor addition to ICMP PTB text Commit: 10dffa5842a2939654d8379c0487d06d5f800f6d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/10dffa5842a2939654d837= 9c0487d06d5f800f6d Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-10 (Mon, 10 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Use "addresses" instead of "4-tuple" Co-Authored-By: igorlord Commit: 30dba735dbf0ecbf9b53a05e6fed78cbc43962ce https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/30dba735dbf0ecbf9b53a0= 5e6fed78cbc43962ce Author: Igor Lubashev Date: 2018-12-10 (Mon, 10 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- reflow text Commit: 79e16843a1f092a07efa6e72a3c40842a1f83a12 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/79e16843a1f092a07efa6e= 72a3c40842a1f83a12 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-12 (Wed, 12 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Ian's review Commit: 91041eaf771e1dbfd27b38eeeeb3196b0ab974ce https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/91041eaf771e1dbfd27b38= eeeeb3196b0ab974ce Author: Bence B=C3=A9ky Date: 2018-12-12 (Wed, 12 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md Log Message: ----------- Rearrange paragraphs. This commits only moves paragraphs around in whole. Paragraphs are not edited, redacted, broken up or joined. In addition, a new section "Eviction" is added. Commit: 6dac31c71066a4d868fe516f902ea75c59cc014d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6dac31c71066a4d868fe51= 6f902ea75c59cc014d Author: Bence B=C3=A9ky Date: 2018-12-12 (Wed, 12 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md Log Message: ----------- Rearrange sentences. This commit breaks up and rejoints paragraphs and changes the order of sentences. No sentence is modified, redacted, omitted, or added. Commit: c1e4f68e43ddc9e1ef55eee4975952cfcc450b39 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c1e4f68e43ddc9e1ef55ee= e4975952cfcc450b39 Author: Bence B=C3=A9ky Date: 2018-12-12 (Wed, 12 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md Log Message: ----------- Editorial bikesheding. Commit: e41defb7113eac41aa02ef6119690f595c1bd463 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e41defb7113eac41aa02ef= 6119690f595c1bd463 Author: Benjamin Saunders Date: 2018-12-12 (Wed, 12 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Process ECN before forgetting newly acked packets Commit: 4534794a000d30427a543c1c6ecda4aac381e30b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4534794a000d30427a543c= 1c6ecda4aac381e30b Author: Igor Lubashev Date: 2018-12-13 (Thu, 13 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- ICMP PTB -- simplify and clarfy Commit: a90fb86a36d7582637ee093a61dae3c0fa216d45 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a90fb86a36d7582637ee09= 3a61dae3c0fa216d45 Author: Igor Lubashev Date: 2018-12-13 (Thu, 13 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Do not allow ICMP PTB to increase PMTU Commit: 659bb52e170fc6859a4e771704beefbf7a840f41 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/659bb52e170fc6859a4e77= 1704beefbf7a840f41 Author: Benjamin Saunders Date: 2018-12-13 (Thu, 13 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Clarify use of largest_acked_packet Commit: 8d344bd9b1e0b8fb390c7c606d0fb0f8d1b7747b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8d344bd9b1e0b8fb390c7c= 606d0fb0f8d1b7747b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-14 (Fri, 14 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- The first Initial needs to fit into a single IP packet Not sure if this needs to address IP fragmentation. Commit: ad6122da9447057fab23d283f541ed503a40915f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ad6122da9447057fab23d2= 83f541ed503a40915f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-14 (Fri, 14 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Validation MUST match IPs and ports. Co-Authored-By: igorlord Commit: 6b3b9882b5807709a294f30d261ca95c5519f151 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6b3b9882b5807709a294f3= 0d261ca95c5519f151 Author: Igor Lubashev Date: 2018-12-14 (Fri, 14 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Do not talk about ignoring ICMP that increases PMTU. Talk about disallo= wing PMTU increases. Commit: c96dda790322376f29f72b7e70320565d7b80059 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c96dda790322376f29f72b= 7e70320565d7b80059 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2018-12-14 (Fri, 14 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Editorial fixes to ECN text Commit: 5998a75eccb6955f3b3db2c3362951eeb0b73f0e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5998a75eccb6955f3b3db2= c3362951eeb0b73f0e Author: Marten Seemann Date: 2018-12-15 (Sat, 15 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- fix description of AEAD usage Commit: 99e488afefcca585bb4eff639430c273457605e7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/99e488afefcca585bb4eff= 639430c273457605e7 Author: Marten Seemann Date: 2018-12-15 (Sat, 15 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- clarify that old keys should always be dropped Commit: 4da945ff0a085270714960495050561baa21ae77 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4da945ff0a085270714960= 495050561baa21ae77 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-16 (Sun, 16 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Header protection keys don't change I could have sworn that I had done this already. Closes #2195. Commit: 6df0e3a33ae263ff6b719c6634ba6d0963ddb83e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6df0e3a33ae263ff6b719c= 6634ba6d0963ddb83e Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2018-12-16 (Sun, 16 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Allow alternate restarts after idle Commit: b866ed6f97c9559ea5bf5c1479096d8edcc02b5d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b866ed6f97c9559ea5bf5c= 1479096d8edcc02b5d Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2018-12-16 (Sun, 16 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- restructure Commit: 81a750f040001abda26a0b9b270c814d04d5aa66 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/81a750f040001abda26a0b= 9b270c814d04d5aa66 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-16 (Sun, 16 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2190 from marten-seemann/clarify-aead-usage fix description of AEAD usage Commit: a326fecbd2945809f20848dc0901ab55eef409f7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a326fecbd2945809f20848= dc0901ab55eef409f7 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-17 (Mon, 17 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Also applies after Retry Commit: b2a53438216b7850ab7d663ec671fb66ff45a600 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b2a53438216b7850ab7d66= 3ec671fb66ff45a600 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-16 (Sun, 16 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2196 from quicwg/hp-one-key Header protection keys don't change Commit: 74ea30bb75b3edf5511cdf9ad3fe1eaf7eb1bad8 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/74ea30bb75b3edf5511cdf= 9ad3fe1eaf7eb1bad8 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-17 (Mon, 17 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Key discard requirements Tweak text a little to remove redundancy. Add a stronger recommendation about what "short period" means (see quicwg= #2172). Closes quicwg#2172. Commit: ab1cdf44338acefa34583d7f0d9159681602002d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ab1cdf44338acefa34583d= 7f0d9159681602002d Author: Marten Seemann Date: 2018-12-17 (Mon, 17 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1 from quicwg/drop-old Key discard requirements Commit: 9d20ea501c0c72ffe593af6179ebbdad9d2abf87 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9d20ea501c0c72ffe593af= 6179ebbdad9d2abf87 Author: EKR Date: 2018-12-17 (Mon, 17 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Make the ECN requirements match the the discussion in #2156. Fixes #215= 6 1. Implementations are free to enable sending or not. 2, Implementations MAY read the ECN code points if they can and send ECN ACKs. 3. Implementations MUST accept the 0x03 ACK type and if they are sending ECN SHOULD use the ECN section. I recognize that some people want to have stronger language here, based on this discussion I think this is where we are. I'll defer to the chairs to judge whether more is needed here and can change the PR as required. 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Commit: 59df95fa2e9f856dfee2d03b163108944122a5bf https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/59df95fa2e9f856dfee2d0= 3b163108944122a5bf Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-21 (Fri, 21 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Adjust autotuning recommendations This doesn't need normative text. This adds @ianswett's recommendation about only sending flow control frames when there are other frames to send. Though I added another note about the peer being explicitly blocked, which I think is a useful transition to the next paragraph. Closes #2083. Commit: 4693a08a409308dab965b8e991da31b6f3312938 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4693a08a409308dab965b8= e991da31b6f3312938 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-21 (Fri, 21 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove PATH_RESPONSE limits Implementations can do this anyway, so we're not getting much from the recommendation. And we already have good limits on what can be sent (including PATH_RESPONSE) in the migration section. Closes #2129. Commit: d559b4ad364909bfca273cf0e8870d48d2d953e0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d559b4ad364909bfca273c= f0e8870d48d2d953e0 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-21 (Fri, 21 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Use sending and receiving parts for stream states I had partially settled on "send stream" and "received stream", but on reflection these are inaccurate labels and using "parts" is better, even if it is a little more clumsy at times. Closes #2081. Commit: 786d360adaff0368c666fe964225539982a1f10d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/786d360adaff0368c666fe= 964225539982a1f10d Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2018-12-21 (Fri, 21 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- martin's comments Commit: 40d266aa9d78ae51d2db933aecd10975058c8b5f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/40d266aa9d78ae51d2db93= 3aecd10975058c8b5f Author: janaiyengar Date: 2018-12-21 (Fri, 21 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2239 from quicwg/zlcid-dont-share Don't share addresses without a connection ID Commit: ee3e132022506173b0dd9e221ab6a46e3cbd5be1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ee3e132022506173b0dd9e= 221ab6a46e3cbd5be1 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-12-21 (Fri, 21 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Omit already acknowledged ACK Blocks Fixes #2199 Commit: fb6f04b5c1460f781844a4d8fff1dac4bc247272 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fb6f04b5c1460f781844a4= d8fff1dac4bc247272 Author: ianswett Date: 2018-12-22 (Sat, 22 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- A tweak of mikkelfj's suggestion Commit: e54270004159ff04b73bf8b4ef60fcee22e10d16 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e54270004159ff04b73bf8= b4ef60fcee22e10d16 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-23 (Sun, 23 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2215 from quicwg/ianswett-verify-ecn Don't verify ECN counts for out of order ACKs Commit: e70ef373d0fbade985c1e3e072fc59970d847e0d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e70ef373d0fbade985c1e3= e072fc59970d847e0d Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-23 (Sun, 23 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2241 from quicwg/no-extra-path-reponse-limits Remove PATH_RESPONSE limits Commit: 202ffd2231c18445355adff2be632b77b6721a46 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/202ffd2231c18445355adf= f2be632b77b6721a46 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-23 (Sun, 23 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2242 from quicwg/uni-bidi-consistency Use sending and receiving parts for stream states Commit: d7030479c8957137deeab9279577d0118e66aece https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d7030479c8957137deeab9= 279577d0118e66aece Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-23 (Sun, 23 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2245 from quicwg/ianswett-omit-ack-blocks Omit already acknowledged ACK Blocks Commit: 6d02b5fb1b9cb263f41e816b622288e969a4e255 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6d02b5fb1b9cb263f41e81= 6b622288e969a4e255 Author: Nick Harper Date: 2018-12-23 (Sun, 23 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fix RFC number for AEAD in -transport Commit: 3ed513953132664cea5a4262e8920a58219d69ab https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3ed513953132664cea5a42= 62e8920a58219d69ab Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-24 (Mon, 24 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Closes #2246 Commit: 09292a691ef099b5ad840a17f618620f1578e889 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/09292a691ef099b5ad840a= 17f618620f1578e889 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-12-24 (Mon, 24 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove duplicate line in stream states table Because @DavidSchinazi forgot how to work a PR apparently. Closes #2247. 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The suggested solution is to send a retransmittable frame. * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md * Mike in-flight * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md * Not a deadlock * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Co-Authored-By: ianswett * Jana's suggestions * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md * Proposed change: MUST mark inflight data as lost A proposal: I think I prefer to mark things as lost instead of suggesting= that a sender SHOULD send something when there's really nothing to be se= nt. I was starting to rephrase your PR to say "SHOULD send ack-eliciting= packet, but MAY mark as lost", and I needed to explain how a sender make= s this choice. I realized that if it's been long enough (PTO is long enou= gh) and there's nothing left to send, then maybe it is sensible to mark a= nything pending as lost. So, I changed my suggestion to that, which is th= is PR (against your PR). * reflow * add MAY re-arm PTO * more rephrasing * more simple * comma Commit: 5004c91da2d25a0884210515c299c2ff42179a91 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5004c91da2d25a08842105= 15c299c2ff42179a91 Author: Dmitri Tikhonov Date: 2018-12-28 (Fri, 28 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fix: detect stateless reset if connection not found If connection for incoming packet cannot be found, check whether this is a stateless reset packet. Fixes #2269. 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However, the TLS doc was a little weak on whether ALPN should be used. This clears that up. Closes #2263. 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I'd prefer the term end-offset because that cannot point to the last byte and it does not say anything about effective payload size, and it works the same for offsets in sparse files.

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Thanks everyone for checking these values. At @marten-seemann's request, I've tweaked the packet numbers. That means new values, but I'll assume that these are OK.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As discussed on the issue, 640k should be enough for anyone. 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As discussed on the issue, 640k should be enough for anyone.

Closes #2282.

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  • Add a maximum for max_ack_delay

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This is stacked on top of #2197. So it looks worse than it really is. Review the last diff.

Closes #2298.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2302

Commit Summary

  • Reorganize ACK section
  • Port #2245
  • Stop using 'fields' for ACK Range and Gap, tweak structure a little
  • Merge branch 'master' into shuffle-ack
  • ACK of non-existent packet is illegal

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I'm pretty sure that this was a case where @ekr said that a cano= nical encoding would be silly. That's certainly my view.

I believe that this would be a fairly significant hit both in terms of= code complexity and performance. If you think that you can make the cas= e, I think we might start with a PR here to show that a) the code is simple enough, and = b) the performance is tolerable. Then there is the point about churn.

The requirement on minimal encodings for frame types exists so that a = frame decoder can be more efficient, as @mikkelfj says. I'm re= luctant to add that requirement in too many places though (even in the h3= cases we are currently considering).

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Confirmed that the updated version correctly decrypts and gives PN=2.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 ~~~
    struct {
-     enum { IPv4(4), IPv6(6), (15) } ipVersion;
-     opaque ipAddress<4..2^8-1>;
+     opaque ipv4Address<0..2^8-1>;

Yep. I think that the invalid address (0.0.0.0 or ::) is probably OK here.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2116,6 +2116,9 @@ packets.
 A server conveys a preferred address by including the preferred_address
 transport parameter in the TLS handshake.
 
+Servers MAY communicate a preferred address of each address family (IPv4 and

"preferred" seems right. Yes, it is an alternative, but the fact that it's a preferred alternative is what is important.

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Good changes, some editorial feedback though. > @@ -1001,12 +1001,21 @@ after idle periods, such as those proposed for TCP in {{?RFC7661}}. ## Discarding Packet Number Space State -When keys for an packet number space are discarded, any packets sent with those -keys are removed from the count of bytes in flight. No loss events will occur -any in-flight packets from that space, as a result of discarding loss recovery -state (see {{discard-initial}}). Note that it is expected that keys are -discarded after those packets would be declared lost, but Initial secrets are -destroyed earlier. +When keys for an packet number space are discarded, any in-flight packets +sent with those keys are removed from the count of bytes in flight. Loss +recovery state is also discarded, so no loss events will occur for any +in-flight packets from that space(see {{discard-initial}}). Note that it is +expected that keys are discarded after those packets would be declared lost, +but Initial secrets are destroyed earlier. + +## Discarding 0-RTT packet state I wouldn't bother with the section heading here. > @@ -1001,12 +1001,21 @@ after idle periods, such as those proposed for TCP in {{?RFC7661}}. ## Discarding Packet Number Space State -When keys for an packet number space are discarded, any packets sent with those -keys are removed from the count of bytes in flight. No loss events will occur -any in-flight packets from that space, as a result of discarding loss recovery -state (see {{discard-initial}}). Note that it is expected that keys are -discarded after those packets would be declared lost, but Initial secrets are -destroyed earlier. +When keys for an packet number space are discarded, any in-flight packets +sent with those keys are removed from the count of bytes in flight. Loss +recovery state is also discarded, so no loss events will occur for any +in-flight packets from that space(see {{discard-initial}}). Note that it is ```suggestion in-flight packets from that space (see {{discard-initial}}). Note that it is ``` (Oh good, GitHub fixed the leading space problem.) > -When keys for an packet number space are discarded, any packets sent with those -keys are removed from the count of bytes in flight. No loss events will occur -any in-flight packets from that space, as a result of discarding loss recovery -state (see {{discard-initial}}). Note that it is expected that keys are -discarded after those packets would be declared lost, but Initial secrets are -destroyed earlier. +When keys for an packet number space are discarded, any in-flight packets +sent with those keys are removed from the count of bytes in flight. Loss +recovery state is also discarded, so no loss events will occur for any +in-flight packets from that space(see {{discard-initial}}). Note that it is +expected that keys are discarded after those packets would be declared lost, +but Initial secrets are destroyed earlier. + +## Discarding 0-RTT packet state + +When 0-RTT is rejected, all in-flight 0-RTT packets still are removed from ```suggestion When 0-RTT is rejected, all in-flight 0-RTT packets are removed from ``` > -any in-flight packets from that space, as a result of discarding loss recovery -state (see {{discard-initial}}). Note that it is expected that keys are -discarded after those packets would be declared lost, but Initial secrets are -destroyed earlier. +When keys for an packet number space are discarded, any in-flight packets +sent with those keys are removed from the count of bytes in flight. Loss +recovery state is also discarded, so no loss events will occur for any +in-flight packets from that space(see {{discard-initial}}). Note that it is +expected that keys are discarded after those packets would be declared lost, +but Initial secrets are destroyed earlier. + +## Discarding 0-RTT packet state + +When 0-RTT is rejected, all in-flight 0-RTT packets still are removed from +the count of bytes in flight. Loss recovery state is also discarded, so no +loss events will occur for any in-flight 0-RTT packets. If a server does not The sentence starting "Loss recovery state" is duplicative of the previous section/paragraph, so can go. > -destroyed earlier. +When keys for an packet number space are discarded, any in-flight packets +sent with those keys are removed from the count of bytes in flight. Loss +recovery state is also discarded, so no loss events will occur for any +in-flight packets from that space(see {{discard-initial}}). Note that it is +expected that keys are discarded after those packets would be declared lost, +but Initial secrets are destroyed earlier. + +## Discarding 0-RTT packet state + +When 0-RTT is rejected, all in-flight 0-RTT packets still are removed from +the count of bytes in flight. Loss recovery state is also discarded, so no +loss events will occur for any in-flight 0-RTT packets. If a server does not +buffer out-of-order packets and accepts 0-RTT, there is a chance of declaring +0-RTT packets lost that were actually discarded by the server, but this is +expected to be infrequent. The out-of-order sentence probably needs to be its own paragraph - because it's talking about accepting 0-RTT (as opposed to rejecting it). Not sure how that affects the flow of the section though. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

=0D =0D

Good changes, some editorial feedback though.

=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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> @@ -1001,12 +1001,21 @@ after idle periods=
, such as those proposed for TCP in {{?RFC7661}}.=0D
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 ## Discarding Packet Number Space State=0D
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-When keys for an packet number space are discarded, any packets sent wit=
h those=0D
-keys are removed from the count of bytes in flight.  No loss events will=
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-any in-flight packets from that space, as a result of discarding loss re=
covery=0D
-state (see {{discard-initial}}).  Note that it is expected that keys are=
=0D
-discarded after those packets would be declared lost, but Initial secret=
s are=0D
-destroyed earlier.=0D
+When keys for an packet number space are discarded, any in-flight packet=
s=0D
+sent with those keys are removed from the count of bytes in flight.  Los=
s=0D
+recovery state is also discarded, so no loss events will occur for any=0D=

+in-flight packets from that space(see {{discard-initial}}).  Note that i=
t is=0D
+expected that keys are discarded after those packets would be declared l=
ost,=0D
+but Initial secrets are destroyed earlier.=0D
+=0D
+## Discarding 0-RTT packet state=0D
=0D

I wouldn't bother with the section heading here.

=0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

=0D 
> @@ -1001,12 +1001,21 @@ after idle periods=
, such as those proposed for TCP in {{?RFC7661}}.=0D
 =0D
 ## Discarding Packet Number Space State=0D
 =0D
-When keys for an packet number space are discarded, any packets sent wit=
h those=0D
-keys are removed from the count of bytes in flight.  No loss events will=
 occur=0D
-any in-flight packets from that space, as a result of discarding loss re=
covery=0D
-state (see {{discard-initial}}).  Note that it is expected that keys are=
=0D
-discarded after those packets would be declared lost, but Initial secret=
s are=0D
-destroyed earlier.=0D
+When keys for an packet number space are discarded, any in-flight packet=
s=0D
+sent with those keys are removed from the count of bytes in flight.  Los=
s=0D
+recovery state is also discarded, so no loss events will occur for any=0D=

+in-flight packets from that space(see {{discard-initial}}).  Note that i=
t is=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-in-flight packets from that space(see {{disca=
rd-initial}}).  Note that it is=0D
+in-flight packets from that space (see {{discard-initial}}).  Note that =
it is=0D
=0D =0D

(Oh good, GitHub fixed the leading space problem.)

=0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

=0D 
> -When keys for an packet number space are =
discarded, any packets sent with those=0D
-keys are removed from the count of bytes in flight.  No loss events will=
 occur=0D
-any in-flight packets from that space, as a result of discarding loss re=
covery=0D
-state (see {{discard-initial}}).  Note that it is expected that keys are=
=0D
-discarded after those packets would be declared lost, but Initial secret=
s are=0D
-destroyed earlier.=0D
+When keys for an packet number space are discarded, any in-flight packet=
s=0D
+sent with those keys are removed from the count of bytes in flight.  Los=
s=0D
+recovery state is also discarded, so no loss events will occur for any=0D=

+in-flight packets from that space(see {{discard-initial}}).  Note that i=
t is=0D
+expected that keys are discarded after those packets would be declared l=
ost,=0D
+but Initial secrets are destroyed earlier.=0D
+=0D
+## Discarding 0-RTT packet state=0D
+=0D
+When 0-RTT is rejected, all in-flight 0-RTT packets still are removed fr=
om=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-When 0-RTT is rejected, all in-flight 0-RTT p=
ackets still are removed from=0D
+When 0-RTT is rejected, all in-flight 0-RTT packets are removed from=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

=0D 
> -any in-flight packets from that space, as=
 a result of discarding loss recovery=0D
-state (see {{discard-initial}}).  Note that it is expected that keys are=
=0D
-discarded after those packets would be declared lost, but Initial secret=
s are=0D
-destroyed earlier.=0D
+When keys for an packet number space are discarded, any in-flight packet=
s=0D
+sent with those keys are removed from the count of bytes in flight.  Los=
s=0D
+recovery state is also discarded, so no loss events will occur for any=0D=

+in-flight packets from that space(see {{discard-initial}}).  Note that i=
t is=0D
+expected that keys are discarded after those packets would be declared l=
ost,=0D
+but Initial secrets are destroyed earlier.=0D
+=0D
+## Discarding 0-RTT packet state=0D
+=0D
+When 0-RTT is rejected, all in-flight 0-RTT packets still are removed fr=
om=0D
+the count of bytes in flight.  Loss recovery state is also discarded, so=
 no=0D
+loss events will occur for any in-flight 0-RTT packets.  If a server doe=
s not=0D
=0D

The sentence starting "Loss recovery state" is duplicative of the prev= ious section/paragraph, so can go.

=0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

=0D 
> -destroyed earlier.=0D
+When keys for an packet number space are discarded, any in-flight packet=
s=0D
+sent with those keys are removed from the count of bytes in flight.  Los=
s=0D
+recovery state is also discarded, so no loss events will occur for any=0D=

+in-flight packets from that space(see {{discard-initial}}).  Note that i=
t is=0D
+expected that keys are discarded after those packets would be declared l=
ost,=0D
+but Initial secrets are destroyed earlier.=0D
+=0D
+## Discarding 0-RTT packet state=0D
+=0D
+When 0-RTT is rejected, all in-flight 0-RTT packets still are removed fr=
om=0D
+the count of bytes in flight.  Loss recovery state is also discarded, so=
 no=0D
+loss events will occur for any in-flight 0-RTT packets.  If a server doe=
s not=0D
+buffer out-of-order packets and accepts 0-RTT, there is a chance of decl=
aring=0D
+0-RTT packets lost that were actually discarded by the server, but this =
is=0D
+expected to be infrequent.=0D
=0D

The out-of-order sentence probably needs to be its own paragraph - bec= ause it's talking about accepting 0-RTT (as opposed to rejecting it). No= t sure how that affects the flow of the section though.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 ~~~
    struct {
-     enum { IPv4(4), IPv6(6), (15) } ipVersion;
-     opaque ipAddress<4..2^8-1>;
+     opaque ipv4Address<0..2^8-1>;

IIUC the text says that the value should be a zero-length byte array if the address type is not used, rather than using an invalid address.

Therefore I think the correct notation is:

opaque ipv4Address<0..4>;
opaque ipv6Address<0..16>;

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@kazuho commented on this pull request.

@DavidSchinazi Thank you for working on this.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 ~~~
    struct {
-     enum { IPv4(4), IPv6(6), (15) } ipVersion;
-     opaque ipAddress<4..2^8-1>;
+     opaque ipv4Address<0..2^8-1>;
+     opaque ipv6Address<0..2^8-1>;
      uint16 port;

The PR seems to assume that:

  • IPv4 and IPv6 are the only two types of underlying protocols that we care, while the current draft provides extensibility (i.e. we can add new types to the ipVersion enumeration).
  • All the addresses share the same port number.

Are we fine with that?

If the intent here is to add support for IPv6 address:port without having any impact on other aspects, I believe that the struct should look like:

struct {
    enum { IPv4(4), IPv6(6), (15) } ipVersion;
    struct {
        select (ipVersion) {
        case IPv4:
            struct {
                opaque address[4];
                uint16 port;
            };
        case IPv6:
            struct {
                opaque address[16];
                uint16 port;
            };
        }
    } <0..2^8-1>;
} AddressPort;

struct {
    AddressPort address<0..2^8-1>;
    uint16 port;
    opaque connectionId<0..18>;
    opaque statelessResetToken[16];
} PreferredAddress;

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  acknowledgment of its ACK frames, with the knowledge this could cause the sender
 to unnecessarily retransmit some data.  Standard QUIC {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}
 algorithms declare packets lost after sufficiently newer packets are
 acknowledged.  Therefore, the receiver SHOULD repeatedly acknowledge newly
 received packets in preference to packets received in the past.
 
+An endpoint SHOULD treat receipt an acknowledgment for a packet it did not send

receipt "of"?

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----==_mimepart_5c329dafdefc7_54423f8a544d45b8252212-- From nobody Sun Jan 6 16:51:06 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27C781310BE for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 16:51:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.065 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.065 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ej53o1sgc3sV for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 16:51:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9BFF5130E3F for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 16:51:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2019 16:51:01 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546822261; bh=g6PM+tUFA5oRC+vJCdD7t7UxvRXhnRrNjUQGRNgWq64=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=gfOqKf5eyvilNES47KigLZhsDLwoTdGxP/dAJWKbCi5vfULhfKBRgogsIWl6hVELO 8C5+Eve37TvY1R2prhARAj5lP4Q0W6smGeyQgLzvNUMfZMK0ZdYC7dcwB+iaL/bE2Q r965bGwQtFcKkZlBkhT7twzc6BPdVxza+31uUsPU= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] amplification attack using Retry and VN triggered by coalesced Initial packets (#2259) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c32a275a5ed1_76673fed16ed45c012800a4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 00:51:04 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c32a275a5ed1_76673fed16ed45c012800a4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @ianswett > "If a server receives a coalesced QUIC packet that causes it to send a Retry or Version Negotiation packet, the server SHOULD silently drop all subsequent coalesced packets in this UDP datagram. That sounds a bit odd to me, because IIRC we decided in #1514 that servers can buffer 0-RTT packets when sending a Retry. Recommending a server to drop a 0-RTT packet that wes coalesced to an Initial packet will have a negative impact to servers that choose such a strategy. I still think that the best text is "one Retry per UDP datagram" suggested by @martinthomson. It allows the behavior you suggested with more freedom. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2259#issuecomment-451791875 ----==_mimepart_5c32a275a5ed1_76673fed16ed45c012800a4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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"If a server receives a coalesced QUIC packet that causes it to send a= Retry or Version Negotiation packet, the server SHOULD silently drop all= subsequent coalesced packets in this UDP datagram.

That sounds a bit odd to me, because IIRC we decided in #151= 4 that servers can buffer 0-RTT packets when sending a Retry. Recomme= nding a server to drop a 0-RTT packet that wes coalesced to an Initial pa= cket will have a negative impact to servers that choose such a strategy.<= /p>

I still think that the best text is "one Retry per UDP datagram" sugge= sted by @martinthomson. It allows the behavior you suggeste= d with more freedom.

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@kazuho I went with this approach to minimize changes from the = current design. Having a list that allows different ports and future vers= ions of IP are fine by me, but there seemed to be more pushback when that= was proposed in #2122. As long as we have a way of communicati= ng one IPv4 address and one IPv6 address I'm happy.

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Closes #2259. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2303 -- Commit Summary -- * One Retry/VN per UDP datagram -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (84) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2303.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2303.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2303 ----==_mimepart_5c32aa8ddcf67_41f03fcc472d45bc293476 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This keeps things simple.

Closes #2259.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2303

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@kazuho requested changes on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3630,6 +3627,9 @@ The Version Negotiation packet does not include the Packet Number and Length
 fields present in other packets that use the long header form.  Consequently,
 a Version Negotiation packet consumes an entire UDP datagram.
 
+A server MUST NOT send more than one Version Negotiation packet in response to a
+single UDP datagram.

I believe this paragraph is the one you intend to add, and it looks fine to me.

OTOH I see lots of unrelated changes that essentially reverts the recently merged changes. Maybe you need to cherry-pick?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3872,7 +3872,9 @@ Destination Connection ID of subsequent packets that it sends.
 
 A server MAY send Retry packets in response to Initial and 0-RTT packets.  A
 server can either discard or buffer 0-RTT packets that it receives.  A server
-can send multiple Retry packets as it receives Initial or 0-RTT packets.
+can send multiple Retry packets as it receives Initial or 0-RTT packets.  A
+server MUST NOT send more than one Retry packet in response to a single UDP
+datagram.

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I have no idea how that happened. Forced it.

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----==_mimepart_5c32b38451e2e_c403fa9d7ad45c41009875-- From nobody Sun Jan 6 18:05:14 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2E7D129C6A for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 18:05:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.519 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.519 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9fqJ3rqeQ3bC for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 18:05:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC13412872C for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 18:05:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2019 18:05:10 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546826710; bh=KpHDwREjbyg3KCyCIJVsi5f7ansedXEytcDxfoAF+24=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=yiTCJcYYE7vwSH9XsIq3iJbOvKV+pshtsUqEXM8cqMTNpwefmNnV37R3HC91J0j8F wOUjskJYz9KRfgGTY6tmxknpPsanyJuQwLqy5MkUzTEfX8LJ1wN3gOHLGofQCZs8Ua QVKWZUySUInR11enGdRnI58xsk7VKR18ZcJBO4PE= From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] One Retry/VN per UDP datagram (#2303) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c32b3d6df114_53cf3ff7fd8d45c04590bd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 02:05:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c32b3d6df114_53cf3ff7fd8d45c04590bd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Are we ok with a server sending both a VN packet and a Retry in response to a single UDP datagram? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2303#issuecomment-451800358 ----==_mimepart_5c32b3d6df114_53cf3ff7fd8d45c04590bd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Are we ok with a server sending both a VN packet and a Retry in response to a single UDP datagram?

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Thanks @martinthomson! I updated my test vectors in quic-go, and I can confirm that the new values work.

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@marten-seemann Does that happen? IIUC VN is sent only when there's a version mismatch. Retry is sent only when there's no version mismatch.

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@kazuho: A client could coalesce two packets of different versi= ons.

As I've said on the issue, I still feel uneasy with the fact that a cl= ient could coalesce around 70 packets into a single datagram, and I'd pre= fer more rigid rules to solve this problem.

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Can we introduce a new error code for this? This could be really helpful for debugging.

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@marten-seemann

A client could coalesce two packets of different versions.

I'd argue that a client can't do that, because the draft states "Sende= rs MUST NOT coalesce QUIC packets for different connections into a single= UDP datagram", OTOH I agree that there's nothing that requires the serve= r to drop following QUIC packets with different versions within a combine= d datagram.

As I've said on the issue, I still feel uneasy with the fact that a cl= ient could coalesce around 70 packets into a single datagram, and I'd pre= fer more rigid rules to solve this problem.

As I stated on
#2259 (comment), I (still) think the approach in this PR= would require having minimal state. Would you mind elaborating (possibly= on the issue) why you think differently?

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So far, we didn't use the STREAM_STATE_ERROR at all

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What exists is "early_data" extension and its "max_early_data_size" field.

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  • "max_early_data" extension does not exist

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3872,7 +3872,9 @@ Destination Connection ID of subsequent packets that it sends.
 
 A server MAY send Retry packets in response to Initial and 0-RTT packets.  A
 server can either discard or buffer 0-RTT packets that it receives.  A server
-can send multiple Retry packets as it receives Initial or 0-RTT packets.
+can send multiple Retry packets as it receives Initial or 0-RTT packets.  A
+server MUST NOT send more than one Retry packet in response to a single UDP
+datagram.

In what use case are you expecting to send multiple Retrys in response to a UDP datagram? And in those cases, can we require coalescing the Retrys into a single datagram, and so we could say no more than one UDP datagram in response?

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I would agree a new error code would be useful here.

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Perhaps it'd be better to use QUICv1 to avoid confusion like this.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4086,6 +4086,7 @@ max_ack_delay (0x000b):
   delays in alarms firing.  For example, if a receiver sets a timer for 5ms
   and alarms commonly fire up to 1ms late, then it should send a max_ack_delay
   of 6ms.  If this value is absent, a default of 25 milliseconds is assumed.
+  Values of 2^14 or greater are invalid.

Can you clarify what should happen if the value is invalid? ie: Should the receiver cap the value at 2^14 or should the peer close the connection?

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Sure, the issue here comes from multi-threaded processing, and reusing= packet buffers.

I have one thread (or rather, one go-routine) that reads UDP datagrams= from the network, splits the coalesced packets and parses the unencrypte= d part of the header, and then passes the QUIC packets to their respectiv= e connections (which are running in a separate go-routine each). In order= to reduce allocations, I reuse the buffers I read my packets into. When = handling coalesced packets, this means I have to wait until all = coalesced parts have been processed before reusing the buffer.
Therefore, I can't just parse the first coalesced packet, pass it on for = handling in another threat, and then continue parsing. This would create = a race condition, since the handling of the packet might be executed befo= re the parsing is finished, and the packet buffer would be returned alrea= dy. So I have to split the coalesced packets first, and then handle them.=

This wouldn't be a problem at all if a coalesced packet just had a few= parts, as it's supposed to be. But since we're maximizing flexibility fo= r no reason, an attacker might send me datagram consisting of around 70 p= ackets, which I would all have to completely parse.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 ~~~
    struct {
-     enum { IPv4(4), IPv6(6), (15) } ipVersion;
-     opaque ipAddress<4..2^8-1>;
+     opaque ipv4Address<0..2^8-1>;

@kazuho suggestion SGTM.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 ~~~
    struct {
-     enum { IPv4(4), IPv6(6), (15) } ipVersion;
-     opaque ipAddress<4..2^8-1>;
+     opaque ipv4Address<0..2^8-1>;
+     opaque ipv6Address<0..2^8-1>;
      uint16 port;

I'm fine with only supporting v4 and v6.

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Some suggestions

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-receiver SHOULD exclude already acknowledged packets from future ACK fra=
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-whenever these packets would unnecessarily contribute to the ACK frame s=
ize.=0D
+To limit the ranges of acknowledged packet numbers to those that have no=
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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e knowledge this could cause the sender=0D
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 algorithms declare packets lost after sufficiently newer packets are=0D
 acknowledged.  Therefore, the receiver SHOULD repeatedly acknowledge new=
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+An endpoint SHOULD treat receipt of an acknowledgment for a packet it di=
d not=0D
+send as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION, if it is able to =
detect=0D
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As @marten-seemann said elsewhere, it'd be nice to ha= ve a new error code for this.

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@marten-seemann Thank you for elaborating.

I think that we should be dispatching each QUIC datagram (instead of e= ach QUIC packet) to the respective connections. That's how load balancers= are expected to work, and what you are implementing is essentially a loa= d balancer. The benefit of dispatching at the datagram level is that you'= d have less things to do on the receiving thread.

This wouldn't be a problem at all if a coalesced packet just had a few= parts, as it's supposed to be. But since we're maximizing flexibility fo= r no reason, an attacker might send me datagram consisting of around 70 p= ackets, which I would all have to completely parse.

I understand your point on flexibility. However, in my view, the flexi= bility is not only how you coalesce, but the redundancy in all the long h= eader fields. We have deliberately chosen the design because it is clear = and easy to analyze (especially in regard to encryption). My preference g= oes to retaining the clarity by avoiding introducing restrictions.

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Furthermore, specify the error code to send when encountering invalid frames at the Handshake encryption level.

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Commit Summary

  • allow PINGs in Initial packets
  • allow PINGs in Handshake packets
  • specify the error code used when receiving invalid frames

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The spec says

For example, if decryption fails (because the keys are not available or any other reason) [...], the receiver MAY either discard or buffer the packet for later processing and MUST attempt to process the remaining packets.

It makes sense to continue processing if the keys are not available. However, if the keys are available, and decryption fails, this means that the peer sent an invalid packet (or that we're dealing with an on-path attacker, which we can't do anything against anyway). It seems that it would be equally valid to stop processing the datagram in that case.

Since it's possible to coalesce about 70 QUIC packets into a single 1200 byte datagram, an attacker could cause a peer to attempt 70 AEAD operations with a single datagram.

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However, if the keys are available, and decryption fails, this means t= hat the peer sent an invalid packet (or that we're dealing with an on-pat= h attacker, which we can't do anything against anyway).

Doesn't decryption failure happen also when the packet gets corrupt wh= ile being transmitted?

Consider a coalesced packet sent by client that contains Initial (for = ACKing ServerHello) and a Handshake packet. I'd assume that we'd prefer p= rocessing Handshake packet even if Initial was corrupt.

Since it's possible to coalesce about 70 QUIC packets into a single 12= 00 byte datagram, an attacker could cause a peer to attempt 70 AEAD opera= tions with a single datagram.

Does that matter, considering the fact that an attacker can force AEAD= operation for every 21 bytes by using a short header packet (1 type + 4 = byte space + 16 byte AEAD tag)?

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= ----==_mimepart_5c32d87fc141d_5f933fa9d7ad45c4271980-- From nobody Sun Jan 6 20:54:29 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C23DB128D09 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 20:54:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.065 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.065 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Sm4iHIp7ylOY for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 20:54:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E64BE1274D0 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 20:54:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2019 20:54:24 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546836864; bh=t0OiF7UPvGm56Z76aglIZOnKaNvGVTq9avgX5lb7YOU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=SP45/h/Tym6AUhlbBEA/+Dwca/OdWp118INKvs3L8E7N0sj9lhag/84v3rCH0GPyB YQJMq7JcOl2LBvT1qlfz39VCdAanhv7RwA2DWACMm/2maR0LTgB09xjAlA6ARIZPH1 fE1C39Hy/Sfb7C4e8pLD8tR42hasPH9bizO8l38A= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Migration before handshake completed is very messy (#2309) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c32db80c6540_71303fc7596d45c438922b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 04:54:28 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c32db80c6540_71303fc7596d45c438922b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In migration interop tests, the Picoquic client was starting to simulate NAT rebinding just after obtaining the 1-RTT read and write key. That turns out to be very messy, because at that point there is no proof that the server has received the client finished message, let alone acknowledged it. As far as tests are concerned, there is an easy fix: only start the migration tests after the client has received from the server an ACK of one of its 1-RTT packet. That's the moment when the client knows for sure that the handshake is successful. The migration before handshake complete is messy because the client will try to re-transmit handshake messages that have not been acknowledged, and has some kind of dilemma. Should these re-transmissions aims at the original DCID used during the handshake, or at one of the new CID selected during the migration? What if the continuity of the new path has not been yet verified? What if the continuity test was lost? Do we have an actual need to support migration before the handshake is fully completed? In practice, the handshake packets create a NAT mapping, and it is rather unlikely that this mapping will just disappear before the few RTT required to complete the handshake. In fact, it is possible, maybe likely, that packets received from an alternative address during the handshake comes from attackers, not from the actual client. I think the implementations would be simpler and more robust if the spec stated that clients should not initiate "voluntary" migration before the handshake is fully complete. This means 1-RTT ACK received, or ACK of last handshake packet from the client, whichever comes first. Similarly, servers should not try to migrate connections before receiving at least one 1-RTT packet from the client through the same addresses and ports as the Initial messages. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2309 ----==_mimepart_5c32db80c6540_71303fc7596d45c438922b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

In migration interop tests, the Picoquic client was starting to simulate NAT rebinding just after obtaining the 1-RTT read and write key. That turns out to be very messy, because at that point there is no proof that the server has received the client finished message, let alone acknowledged it. As far as tests are concerned, there is an easy fix: only start the migration tests after the client has received from the server an ACK of one of its 1-RTT packet. That's the moment when the client knows for sure that the handshake is successful.

The migration before handshake complete is messy because the client will try to re-transmit handshake messages that have not been acknowledged, and has some kind of dilemma. Should these re-transmissions aims at the original DCID used during the handshake, or at one of the new CID selected during the migration? What if the continuity of the new path has not been yet verified? What if the continuity test was lost?

Do we have an actual need to support migration before the handshake is fully completed? In practice, the handshake packets create a NAT mapping, and it is rather unlikely that this mapping will just disappear before the few RTT required to complete the handshake. In fact, it is possible, maybe likely, that packets received from an alternative address during the handshake comes from attackers, not from the actual client.

I think the implementations would be simpler and more robust if the spec stated that clients should not initiate "voluntary" migration before the handshake is fully complete. This means 1-RTT ACK received, or ACK of last handshake packet from the client, whichever comes first. Similarly, servers should not try to migrate connections before receiving at least one 1-RTT packet from the client through the same addresses and ports as the Initial messages.

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Doesn't decryption failure happen also when the packet gets corrupt wh= ile being transmitted?

I assumed those to be very rare, so treating the whol= e datagram as corrupted might be a valid response. I don't have any numbe= rs about that though. Maybe we can ask @ianswett if he can sh= are some measurements?

Does that matter, considering the fact that an attacker can force AEAD= operation for every 21 bytes by using a short header packet (1 type + 4 = byte space + 16 byte AEAD tag)?

The assumption here is that sending a lot of small packet is more expe= nsive than sending one large packet of the same payload size. First, ther= e's UDP and IP overhead that we're not counting here, and second (and pro= bably more importantly), you only need a single syscall.

Looking at the numbers, I think I messed up my calculation of how many= coalesced packets fit into a single datagram, since I failed to account = for the AEAD tag. This brings the number QUIC packets per datagram down t= o about 35.

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Since we decided to use timers to drop drop Handshake keys, a peer can= never be sure when the other side actually finished the handshake, unles= s it proactively sends 1-RTT packets. This leads to problems in the case = where you just pre-connect a QUIC connection, but neither peer has any da= ta to send.

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The assumption here is that sending a lot of small packet is more expe= nsive than sending one large packet of the same payload size. First, ther= e's UDP and IP overhead that we're not counting here, and second (and pro= bably more importantly), you only need a single syscall.

That could be true, though I am still not sure if we need to talk spec= ifically about the attack. For example, an attacker can also send a packe= t that successfully decrypts, that contains many tiny CRYPTO frames (4-by= tes each). I'd assume that processing of that would be more costly than = AEAD-decrypting every 35 bytes.

Having said that, the state of the endpoints are guaranteed to progres= s even if the following QUIC packets of a coalesced datagram are corrupt.= Therefore, I won't disagree to relaxing the requirement from MUST to SHO= ULD.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c32e11a6cce_5aa63f7f64ed45b813252a-- From nobody Sun Jan 6 21:24:53 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1FBF130DC6 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 21:24:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.661 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.661 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kZXbYXubaZCM for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 21:24:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A7A5712D4E9 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 21:24:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2019 21:24:48 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546838688; bh=0Hog12iyI6Yg9BWbsca93LlT4QXEynKtdDtby6IYL0g=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=JutnVE3THyDumE3HDyYPCC6Wt6H3kEg1d2lC4iJtecz8HOBU2/PpZLz2dW2kYO6nq GCtbH+pBTOrWjZStSXfqdtoOfuI6ysIi0ObMtR1pQmwnu8keBTBVcawuVtqC8TMQfX jpRWlTH7adSj9Aeyf0eMkqoeBHExQC5agIciYevM= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Migration before handshake completed is very messy (#2309) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c32e2a0b9e6d_20953fed16ed45c0267454"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 05:24:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c32e2a0b9e6d_20953fed16ed45c0267454 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In theory the key event is "server receives the client Finished message", which the server sees directly, and the client notices when the Finished message is acknowledged. So there is always that, even if the connection is idle. Plus, migration supports requires sending NEW CONNECTION ID frames to the peer, which I suppose do count as "proactively sent 1-RTT packets". -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2309#issuecomment-451825419 ----==_mimepart_5c32e2a0b9e6d_20953fed16ed45c0267454 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In theory the key event is "server receives the client Finished messag= e", which the server sees directly, and the client notices when the Finis= hed message is acknowledged. So there is always that, even if the connect= ion is idle. Plus, migration supports requires sending NEW CONNECTION ID = frames to the peer, which I suppose do count as "proactively sent 1-RTT p= ackets".

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= ----==_mimepart_5c32e2a0b9e6d_20953fed16ed45c0267454-- From nobody Sun Jan 6 21:28:44 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3282212D4E9 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 21:28:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.065 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.065 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5pIb7TGkzyIT for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 21:28:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CC8C128D09 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 21:28:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2019 21:28:39 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546838919; bh=g48jwQE9W3M1EirApGdSFJD4aT34vn/W4PJUar5i8xk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=c3pB+zNQREoQvxg1keENVgMvIIMOh6oPDNG8UClmIKpj5ZMNSoUGrU2BCNzCIzm6x gSRsx12z7sYT6Gcrams5cfgjSPQX8wIXM3rklw6rXCdWi9fuNOP9RUOFlK0MAUssR1 8krIq4seyjVBI/8KrdG0WUFmhfVJk4jCDfXwZrHA= From: erickinnear Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Migration before handshake completed is very messy (#2309) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c32e3874d2a4_45bd3fbe02cd45c41463ad"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: erickinnear X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 05:28:42 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c32e3874d2a4_45bd3fbe02cd45c41463ad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think stating that endpoints should not initiate migration before the handshake is fully complete would make a lot of sense. In addition to reducing the potential for added complexity around those interactions and the handshake, it seems like the need for migration at that point in the timeline can mostly be satisfied by a new connection on an alternate path. If we don't have a lot of activity happening yet on the connection (although interesting thought about the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames), it seems like you don't really lose a whole lot by opening a new connection instead of migrating a pre-connected connection that hasn't otherwise been used. That makes me less concerned about when the threshold should be. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2309#issuecomment-451825917 ----==_mimepart_5c32e3874d2a4_45bd3fbe02cd45c41463ad Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think stating that endpoints should not initiate migration before th= e handshake is fully complete would make a lot of sense.

In addition to reducing the potential for added complexity around thos= e interactions and the handshake, it seems like the need for migration at= that point in the timeline can mostly be satisfied by a new connection o= n an alternate path.

If we don't have a lot of activity happening yet on the connection (al= though interesting thought about the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames), it seems = like you don't really lose a whole lot by opening a new connection instea= d of migrating a pre-connected connection that hasn't otherwise been used= .
That makes me less concerned about when the threshold should be.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c32e3874d2a4_45bd3fbe02cd45c41463ad-- From nobody Sun Jan 6 21:40:21 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACAE2128CF3 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 21:40:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Cs3xy9OeqEfV for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 21:40:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D245F1274D0 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 21:40:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2019 21:40:17 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546839617; bh=NeM62wvMCcOPA4vy5gsEJTP7FaleT/Yo6ax/dRQWdb0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=G7IFNeOg6XaEfQR76WvXO23gynLpo85nzEQjc8zHTOo3IIb6XLYbyWH2YdPxA7adT fhAtCnbEiib+cq8OBHNZxgj9BsKa/Y9/e5dfTH5O1U2AwaMmLqBwZSJpW6/MTNZT97 29tj7tA7hA8n1g3nYbPF/yBrY8Tp5N/I1I/80PCI= From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Migration before handshake completed is very messy (#2309) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c32e641d1a29_69083f7f64ed45b81670250"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 05:40:21 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c32e641d1a29_69083f7f64ed45b81670250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > In theory the key event is "server receives the client Finished message", which the server sees directly, and the client notices when the Finished message is acknowledged. The ACK for that could be lost. The client will then start the handshake timer and keep retransmitting the Finished, until it receives an ACK (assuming that the server keeps the keys around for long enough, which it currently doesn't, see #2267). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2309#issuecomment-451827436 ----==_mimepart_5c32e641d1a29_69083f7f64ed45b81670250 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In theory the key event is "server receives the client Finished messag= e", which the server sees directly, and the client notices when the Finis= hed message is acknowledged.

The ACK for that could be lost. The client will then start the handsha= ke timer and keep retransmitting the Finished, until it receives an ACK (= assuming that the server keeps the keys around for long enough, which it = currently doesn't, see #2267).

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= ----==_mimepart_5c32e641d1a29_69083f7f64ed45b81670250-- From nobody Sun Jan 6 21:47:47 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52346128CF3 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 21:47:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.065 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.065 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s3wnXlpy71WG for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 21:47:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6BA811274D0 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 21:47:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2019 21:47:43 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546840063; bh=zvyu4pkNvun+lmtddy9mbsMjiKkdCuTs9XNxmQ75bEY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=f3+CJ7zDGB+nfmaktq+F+sn9zH0QPN7RJzt5VL5/aUeJ5q3nN6O8gAATv/PeQ0pQO +6e7JN8kpTttggTk/Hn+oDYgeWawwYG6XkcKzWBdYfNqVSY830V5njNQCPa/wwv8j1 Sm7aG3vs+X2nAS3gkjB1EU61VX/iqs0pmVXfiMko= From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] handling of coalesced packets with decryption errors creates DoS opportunity (#2308) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c32e7ff68006_39133fe214cd45c0492520"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 05:47:46 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c32e7ff68006_39133fe214cd45c0492520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > That could be true, though I am still not sure if we need to talk specifically about the attack. I was not suggesting to add language about this attack. My suggestion was to stop processing a datagram once unprotecting one of the QUIC packets fails, although you have the keys available for that encryption level. > For example, an attacker can also send a packet that successfully decrypts, that contains many tiny CRYPTO frames (4-bytes each). I'd assume that processing of that would be more costly than AEAD-decrypting every 35 bytes. I don't understand this. Why is processing CRYPTO frames expensive? In my implementation, assembling stream (and crypto stream) data is not an expensive operation. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2308#issuecomment-451828441 ----==_mimepart_5c32e7ff68006_39133fe214cd45c0492520 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

That could be true, though I am still not sure if we need to talk spec= ifically about the attack.

I was not suggesting to add language about this attack. My suggestion = was to stop processing a datagram once unprotecting one of the QUIC packe= ts fails, although you have the keys available for that encryption level.=

For example, an attacker can also send a packet that successfully decr= ypts, that contains many tiny CRYPTO frames (4-bytes each). I'd assume th= at processing of that would be more costly than AEAD-decrypting every 35 = bytes.

I don't understand this. Why is processing CRYPTO frames expensive? In= my implementation, assembling stream (and crypto stream) data is not an = expensive operation.

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For example, an attacker can also send a packet that successfully decr= ypts, that contains many tiny CRYPTO frames (4-bytes each). I'd assume th= at processing of that would be more costly than AEAD-decrypting every 35 = bytes.

I don't understand this. Why is processing CRYPTO frames expensive? In= my implementation, assembling stream (and crypto stream) data is not an = expensive operation.

Because for every 4-byte CRYPTO frame (containing 1 octet of data), yo= u need to decode 2 varints (length and offset fields), check if it's newl= y received data, and then write it to the buffer. If the data is new, the= re would be a call to TLS stack that causes the TLS stack to see if the e= ntire handshake message is available, which would turn out not to be true= . TLS stack will then buffer the data. After that, the transport layer wi= ll remove the newly received data from the transport-level buffer.

My assumption is that doing this amount of processing is more heavywei= ght than running two AES operations and one GCM operation per every 35 by= tes.

Based on that, I do not think we need a statement that specifies how t= o handle these tiny CRYPTO frames, or similar types of attacks (e.g., a p= acket payload containing many ACK frames). The same goes for not specifyi= ng how to handle tiny QUIC packets.

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I get the issue in #2267. But regardless, there is an issue with engaging in migration when the handshake is not complete...

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I think this issue is an indirect justification for implicit ACK. The = server may have dropped the handshake key, but it can send and receive 1-= RTT packets. So can the client. If the client sends an 1-RTT packet after= sending the CFIN, it should receive an ACK from the server. At that poin= t, it knows there is no point in retransmitting the CFIN. If neither the = 1-RTT not the CFIN handshake are acked, both can be repeated. If the hand= shake CFIN was received but the ACK lost, as @marten-seemann= envisages, the server may not be able to process handshake packets a= nymore, but it can receive and ACK the 1-RTT packet.

Of course, that falls apart if the handshake and 1-RTT packets are coa= lesced. Maybe we need a warning there...

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@martinthomson: MSL in TCP is determine by the practical= observations of how long packets can reside in networks. There are measu= rement papers describing that. At least 30 seconds has been observed in p= ractice, for example due to routers freezing and then restarting, or othe= r bugs of that nature. Since TCP has by default no crypto, the very old p= acket could be accepted by chance in a new connection and cause havoc. He= nce the use of the MSL timer, especially in the FIN-WAIT state.

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I think this issue is an indirect justification for implicit ACK.

I am not sure if it is. To me, it seems that the fact that we have an = unrecoverable situation for lower epochs and if we need to shutdown the c= onnection in such a situation are different.

Can't the endpoints simply continue communicating using higher epochs,= regardless of if there was something not ACKed when they drop the contex= t of lower epochs?

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@kazuho, I think we agree. If the endpoints can continue communicating at epoch=4, there is no reason to drop a connection because of an ACK or timer issue at epoch=3.

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----==_mimepart_5c32ff3ba9f66_5dbd3fec358d45bc72454-- From nobody Mon Jan 7 00:00:55 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04353130E8A for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 00:00:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.519 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.519 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0Jm70AMwz918 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 00:00:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 56F1E130E73 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 00:00:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 00:00:47 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546848047; bh=Sf2qvolXyK0BaxMPEGf9YdOfn0YEbe1dqRdsG4pqJ00=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Kp4VoQ2M6fS6GCSaRKZtwvElT219ZA0g12mis7uMB43NxI4Cd9uEQeRdPr+ze04HZ On3kDAJSfFNk4/0yvkK0PetjP3XtzX7dshGpTYjJZnixYopc0ErFke5RGd3Dh6U1Lm azSeZNvF3el8zHKM7pjjDQ+zKDZBxluqVenKEUeA= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] loss of only two packets can lead to an unrecoverable situation (#2267) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c33072fbae76_1fdc3f7f64ed45b81634835"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 08:00:51 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c33072fbae76_1fdc3f7f64ed45b81634835 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Then, I'd assume that there is nothing we need to address? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2267#issuecomment-451851230 ----==_mimepart_5c33072fbae76_1fdc3f7f64ed45b81634835 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Then, I'd assume that there is nothing we need to address?

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----==_mimepart_5c33072fbae76_1fdc3f7f64ed45b81634835-- From nobody Mon Jan 7 00:05:43 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66CD6130DE7 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 00:05:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.065 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.065 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q5SUM3Q621nV for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 00:05:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 999561271FF for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 00:05:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 00:05:38 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546848338; bh=PfPD7b0DalFDJxmf42h4c6e9+MRNR5m5tCiYeBtJIuo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Zdx2ZTwIviU9JKvUmKchNRzf3jXix4cLwP/KKSsK0a/ajXybRkdiTOzH/igOvnKqU /V3gp63OXQZIZda+ymYz1yrUZpOIPdVVQatbNsEb8o+gIi7KrSz8ci91icHftbPvai 3S444D+9YtoLPppelBFWfQKuLPjnyDv1CHNX8CVY= From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] loss of only two packets can lead to an unrecoverable situation (#2267) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c3308529a43b_fa73ff7fd8d45c075193d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 08:05:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c3308529a43b_fa73ff7fd8d45c075193d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I think this issue is an indirect justification for implicit ACK. The server may have dropped the handshake key, but it can send and receive 1-RTT packets. So can the client. If the client sends an 1-RTT packet after sending the CFIN, it should receive an ACK from the server. At that point, it knows there is no point in retransmitting the CFIN. I agree, but it's better if the server send an ack-eliciting 1-RTT packet right after the handshake completes, since there's no uncertainty on the server's side if the client already has 1-RTT keys. In the stream-0 design team we once had a proposal fo a HANDSHAKE_DONE frame (a 1-byte ack-eliciting frame that is delivered reliably). I consider this a much cleaner solution than relying on timers which might or might not be chosen appropriately to work with a particular loss pattern. Dropping handshake keys, and moving forward from the crypto mode in the loss recovery (so we can use the PTO timer instead of the crypto timer), is then really straightforward. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2267#issuecomment-451852213 ----==_mimepart_5c3308529a43b_fa73ff7fd8d45c075193d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think this issue is an indirect justification for implicit ACK. The = server may have dropped the handshake key, but it can send and receive 1-= RTT packets. So can the client. If the client sends an 1-RTT packet after= sending the CFIN, it should receive an ACK from the server. At that poin= t, it knows there is no point in retransmitting the CFIN.

I agree, but it's better if the server send an ack-eliciting 1-RTT pac= ket right after the handshake completes, since there's no uncertainty on = the server's side if the client already has 1-RTT keys. In the stream-0 d= esign team we once had a proposal fo a HANDSHAKE_DONE frame (a 1-byte ack= -eliciting frame that is delivered reliably). I consider this a much clea= ner solution than relying on timers which might or might not be chosen ap= propriately to work with a particular loss pattern.

Dropping handshake keys, and moving forward from the crypto mode in th= e loss recovery (so we can use the PTO timer instead of the crypto timer)= , is then really straightforward.

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I thought we decided that we shouldn't support migration before completing the handshake. It's probably not written down, so we should state that explicitly. The value is tiny and the complexity is substantial.

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Fixes #2154

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Yes, the ECN related issue is resolved.

What I don't know if it is resolved fully is the implementation requir= ements is that a sender MUST be capable of handling an ACK frame with Lar= gest Acknowledged that is smaller than highest received? From my perspect= ive there are good and valid arguments why this may be required, however = I think consensus needs to be established on that.

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Q: I'm not sure we need PING packets in the handshake, even for deadlock prevention, but I expect people will use them for that, so this seems like a good change.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3700,7 +3700,7 @@ server may send multiple Initial packets.  The cryptographic key exchange could
 require multiple round trips or retransmissions of this data.
 
 The payload of an Initial packet includes a CRYPTO frame (or frames) containing
-a cryptographic handshake message, ACK frames, or both.  PADDING and
+a cryptographic handshake message, ACK frames, or both.  PADDING, PING and

Not your text, but the first sentence implies an Initial packet has to contain either an ACK frame and/or a CRYPO frame, but I don't think that's true. I'd suggest merging these sentences and say:
"The payload of an Initial packet includes a combination of one or more CRYPTO, ACK, PADDING, PING or CONNECTION_CLOSE frames."

And I'd update the paragraph below to use the same structure so they're parallel, because right now they're subtly different in not very interesting ways.

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----==_mimepart_5c336b90a349_46ab3f81df0d45bc2008ae-- From nobody Mon Jan 7 07:25:43 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08D5F130EC2 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 07:25:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.447 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.447 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3ATKBLurg2X4 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 07:25:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1FED6130EBB for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 07:25:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 07:25:37 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546874737; bh=JJg3B5COjFz+fNPrjWQbUhsTpjUCbMeXL+wGnqxKH+0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=yj6rFABLzJXF27aakI775Qp4U7d0HGq28xyts6QjZPwdSto8ahSlXF4dDvZQ14LV0 PVrrZyoD1hcki6APR1xqkPOb+9/z4DEsAOWwOmuk3ofFHuFgI0RWUZ490zSQGytIfF DDrLsNWVrUFfq4m11NT+dhz3I2ESdibEGxw6Kx+Q= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] It's annoying that one can't send push in 0.5RTT (#2227) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c336f71bc3e4_1aa3f90e26d45b8102881"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 15:25:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c336f71bc3e4_1aa3f90e26d45b8102881 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can imagine someone saying that a reverse proxy might want to be able to do this, I just don't think reverse proxies actually proxy pushes that are otherwise end-to-end. But I haven't worked with every reverse proxy out there, so maybe some do? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2227#issuecomment-451970790 ----==_mimepart_5c336f71bc3e4_1aa3f90e26d45b8102881 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I can imagine someone saying that a reverse proxy might want to be able to do this, I just don't think reverse proxies actually proxy pushes that are otherwise end-to-end. But I haven't worked with every reverse proxy out there, so maybe some do?

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After thinking about this more, I'd prefer to change to TV for cases when forcing implementations to supply a length is adding complexity. That fixes the same core issue: "What to do if the specified length doesn't match the actual length" in a different way.

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----==_mimepart_5c3377fcfae7_32e03fcc3fad45bc495b0-- From nobody Mon Jan 7 08:13:12 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 464F8130EF2 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 08:13:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.661 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.661 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sH7Z40ZO0njx for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 08:13:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9732D130E9A for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 08:13:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 08:13:08 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546877588; bh=pbZMimvZo2qBMTdkhpX/SMkkgoFSg4mmUbs+43Dgd3k=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=NQejx7+wXvB+D6yU0r+e94ZMRje4Ogh6wgGd5Q6Xz8j+dCIzZ2CQuuYP/Hi0Ha2ok foar/ObaYrklGj7jcRbZfjjxi+4jWH/SvdhvGF7PJ2pQuCyjb/jK2fRB0A/8Zd000T eNG+8HcBUeCRKlxleSgnewsWYlwICfVnl7hckNsc= From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow extra data after self-terminating h3 frames (#2291) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c337a9453f39_46923fbf43cd45b416468e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 16:13:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c337a9453f39_46923fbf43cd45b416468e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't understand how that works though, how does the receiver parse the frame if the length is unknown? For the DATA frame, in #2098 the exception was made for len=0 because we could use the EOS signal. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2291#issuecomment-451987473 ----==_mimepart_5c337a9453f39_46923fbf43cd45b416468e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I don't understand how that works though, how does the receiver parse the frame if the length is unknown?

For the DATA frame, in #2098 the exception was made for len=0 because we could use the EOS signal.

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The less there is in the handshake the more robust the handshake is across QUIC versions, which may be beneficial since it is likely a separate code path from general packet handling.

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----==_mimepart_5c3383282e2d2_68833fc0b70d45b4202966-- From nobody Mon Jan 7 08:52:09 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA3AE130F4C for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 08:52:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.447 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.447 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LTVA9-8hPzxK for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 08:52:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 193A4130F47 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 08:52:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 08:52:05 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546879925; bh=CptK0dihYOTOZK38S+Dz1OSjs++6LPwY9SqaILiNY+8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=vt2iput/dvQtvZOTNKj5xrz04atm+P+h+DYmoxSlOOWOBKwUbM2adxKgVhsHP3DkP qyMpAffNTNyqXFhDURlZwS4E4ZQ8pzOcmGkFsAnhP55H8JcXw2GMvEWGsVwCN4YUBF E7+icvJOgNarw7jxzpEyEQuUejvNGrZF/l3Sqduw= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] amplification attack using Retry and VN triggered by coalesced Initial packets (#2259) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c3383b5c7f50_6d653fd64b0d45c41068fd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 16:52:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c3383b5c7f50_6d653fd64b0d45c41068fd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there any case where it a VN / Retry would reasonably be triggered after the first packet in a datagram? If not, why not simply restrict VN / Retry to the first packet? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2259#issuecomment-452001462 ----==_mimepart_5c3383b5c7f50_6d653fd64b0d45c41068fd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Is there any case where it a VN / Retry would reasonably be triggered after the first packet in a datagram? If not, why not simply restrict VN / Retry to the first packet?

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I think the sections that describe connection migration attacks should mention that, when the endpoint detects a spurious migration, it should revert back to using the same CC state and ECN state as before. Otherwise, an attacker could degrade the performance of a connection.

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----==_mimepart_5c339b64212a3_3e863f95f38d45b4270475-- From nobody Mon Jan 7 11:52:02 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0AF91288BD for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 11:52:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.661 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.661 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5G62Y6VgxRe6 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 11:51:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E9103124C04 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 11:51:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 11:51:57 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546890717; bh=RgXXqAC2FkHuxTw0bQ2o7LfA8p/sqzvQ3Kvd0Oe2qE4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=GPnz0IZcvxE3Gk5SHOpwSJOofTeMR8/oP+DbA2o7VilvBmK96s+BDabLcOG6sJsol 2DT103yq5uQNfZqzwzNZ/d/s4LrBubH946jq+DcOMG2H3HoYzOhTMr7S5JgTgSAZC/ vOKCV5UWSWLT0ZSkxaS9w647uqJw1ANqghecqKL4= From: David Schinazi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Migration before handshake completed is very messy (#2309) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c33adddb480b_23e03fe8996d45b8186069"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DavidSchinazi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 19:52:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c33adddb480b_23e03fe8996d45b8186069 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Isn't this already made explicit in Section 9 `Connection Migration`? > An endpoint MUST NOT initiate connection migration before the handshake is finished and the endpoint has 1-RTT keys. The design of QUIC relies on endpoints retaining a stable address for the duration of the handshake. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2309#issuecomment-452059909 ----==_mimepart_5c33adddb480b_23e03fe8996d45b8186069 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Isn't this already made explicit in Section 9 Connection Migrati= on?

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What I don't know if it is resolved fully is the implementation requirem= ents is that a sender MUST be capable of handling an ACK frame with Largest= Acknowledged that is smaller than highest received? From my perspective th= ere are good and valid arguments why this may be required, however I think = consensus needs to be established on that.

I am not sure if I'm following the context, but my understanding is that= a sender MUST be capable of that, because we allow an endpoint to simply r= etransmit the payload of a packet that is being deemed lost; see #1612.<= /p>

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Some frames need a length(ie: DATA), but some, such as GOAWAY, clearly= do not. In the case of GOAWAY, computing the length is trivial, so leng= th is just a wasted byte and it doesn't really matter for an infrequently= sent frame. In other cases, it's more of a challenge to add a length af= ter the fact.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c33b00c95d99_730b3fb2830d45c47473b-- From nobody Mon Jan 7 12:06:06 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D154C12D7EA for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 12:06:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.065 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.065 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wUVFNsmNopei for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 12:06:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C1DC312008A for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 12:06:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 12:06:01 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546891561; bh=jCvfB26nPjBpjB7T30U2r5UcxhlB8uIQYqRtFpb8eEY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Z5FlmuKbGOccLstICCMX3CdmprbtRZTlRjUE3oWtQ4WVKFXbQoXOTnyqzecJRyFDT 72cRSjn+9b6quT5H1gK1o4LtH8KcZdPfwlCXokCIwcl9rOmZs2ABbF1RAMRTCWBNhJ KXtbyE8P63I45u9fOHWzRk/EtEzC4mNkfFHGRpdw= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Migration before handshake completed is very messy (#2309) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c33b129ed653_76a83f8d486d45c4314f2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 20:06:05 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c33b129ed653_76a83f8d486d45c4314f2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @DavidSchinazi I think there are two separate issues: 1) There is some fuzziness about what "handshake is finished" actually means. The messiness that we observed in the tests was due to repeating the CFIN handshake packet while engaged in migration. Thinks get much better if the client waits until CFIN is acknowledged. 2) The problem is with server response to NAT Rebinding. Even if the client does not initiate migration, a NAT could decide to change its translation. My take is that both sides should ignore such NAT rebinding before the handshake is finished. That is, have exactly one address pair for the connection and stick to it until handshake done, don't even think of changing midway. The justification for (2) is that changing addresses mid-handshake in response to NAT rebinding opens an interesting attack surface, with man-on-the-side sending copies of good packets with spoofed IP addresses. Given that actual rebinding just after a mapping is created is pretty rare, chances are that most "rebinding during handshake" will be of the "man on the side" variety. It is more robust to just ignore them. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2309#issuecomment-452064161 ----==_mimepart_5c33b129ed653_76a83f8d486d45c4314f2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@DavidSchinazi I think there are two separate issues:<= /p>

  1. There is some fuzziness about what "handshake is finished" actually me= ans. The messiness that we observed in the tests was due to repeating the= CFIN handshake packet while engaged in migration. Thinks get much better= if the client waits until CFIN is acknowledged.

  2. The problem is with server response to NAT Rebinding. Even if the clie= nt does not initiate migration, a NAT could decide to change its translat= ion. My take is that both sides should ignore such NAT rebinding before t= he handshake is finished. That is, have exactly one address pair for the = connection and stick to it until handshake done, don't even think of chan= ging midway.

The justification for (2) is that changing addresses mid-handshake in = response to NAT rebinding opens an interesting attack surface, with man-o= n-the-side sending copies of good packets with spoofed IP addresses. Give= n that actual rebinding just after a mapping is created is pretty rare, c= hances are that most "rebinding during handshake" will be of the "man on = the side" variety. It is more robust to just ignore them.

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Thanks @DavidSchinazi for finding the text. Ah, the C= FIN, the gift that keeps on giving.

I agree with @huitema on 2. We previously discussed whether = changing the 5-tuple during the handshake was allowed, and decided it ope= ned up a huge number of attacks we weren't sure we could fix, so we shoul= d require it be fixed until handshake completion.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c33b1f27ec6a_2d383fb7d80d45c410559b-- From nobody Mon Jan 7 12:10:05 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 648A012DDA3 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 12:10:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.661 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.661 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id izmQOzxU44aj for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 12:10:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 362F212DF71 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 12:10:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 12:10:01 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546891801; bh=y0YN+G0xg6S6IJ76xySpfDJ5uRDAmNjVXjFBVForplo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=q6pPxAKInF+RFFoF2KU3REX0N3DraXs1BnqszFY2VFgStL7aLzy0oknhW0pNnIpCA eAV4rOMN0ylYMqll1BwTNasEM6anLIkSb9by8IoBYz6C5WaWXzwkiR/+RuwzmBltAJ xq/5SaR62nuw/Imr+Ig/519CW0ZunvQo48hwNL9w= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Move HTTP Section 5 before Section 4 (#2220) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c33b219afc7_76843f8d486d45c464238"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 20:10:04 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c33b219afc7_76843f8d486d45c464238 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the suggestion. I can see this either way. The ordering was intended to follow the HTTP/2 pattern of "framing layer, putting HTTP on the framing layer." The QUIC spec's new layout of successive layers of detail (concepts, then specific mechanisms, then wire format) would suggest putting frame specifics last. PR not necessary -- it's a straightforward change if we decide to reorder this way. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2220#issuecomment-452065309 ----==_mimepart_5c33b219afc7_76843f8d486d45c464238 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks for the suggestion. I can see this either way. The ordering w= as intended to follow the HTTP/2 pattern of "framing layer, putting HTTP = on the framing layer." The QUIC spec's new layout of successive layers o= f detail (concepts, then specific mechanisms, then wire format) would sug= gest putting frame specifics last.

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I think you're correct. There are some situations where newer errors would be more appropriate.

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Yep. Therefore, I don't believe there's a change here.

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We could allow multiple PreferredAddress TPs and avoid the zero-length address problem.

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In #1612 we agreed on this.

Considering that the decision affects handling of multiple frames, I think it's worth clarifying the general rule in the draft. For discussions regarding specific frames, please refer:

  • MAX_STREAMS, MAX_DATA, MAX_STREAM_DATA - #1622
  • RESET_STREAM, STOP_SENDING - #2268
  • ACK - #2205

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2312

Commit Summary

  • endpoints are allowed to retransmit entire payload of a packet that's deemed lost; see #1612

File Changes

Patch Links:

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Ok but that seems tangential to this ticket's request AFAIK (which may b= e wrong). I thought the ask was to enable arbitrary fields after the core H= 3 frame fields. Done by using the delta between how large the frame says it= is and the sum of all frame fields.

In the case of GOAWAY it's simple. But imagine I start sending extension= frames on the control stream. If you know the type is not supported in you= r receiver, you can just ignore length bytes and carry on.

I appreciate the want to reduce some complexity but it seems like we'll = end up with an inconsistent set of frame types (TLV vs TV) without much spe= c text /guidance to support it.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c33b389613a6_72a43f90c74d45bc79456-- From nobody Mon Jan 7 12:19:16 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EED5212D4F2 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 12:19:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.661 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.661 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1rKy1Iesbzwd for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 12:19:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7631012008A for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 12:19:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 12:19:12 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546892352; bh=Xxmq1WV1UzPADJ791JMsR1/zgODaD6SlbYledrWGVXU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=PFPWWA1oklFeQerD6RYzttxagdfWnt2p+0e153XWEYrcBj2R9yJzYnLo91F6RpAeW pEbydntGrH79HJqPto6ZisV+220ze9Oc7l0DM+NMNohiaPFcQ+5OQQOPorOh1ufVQy Xfwx+Ne9kbMdnzEHxCd+A/X8Jx2xD+cgwIpWxdVc= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow servers to send a preferred address of each address family (#2296) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c33b44098dc0_7dd63fcfa54d45b816188"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 20:19:15 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c33b44098dc0_7dd63fcfa54d45b816188 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @DavidSchinazi Thank you for the clarification. I think I'm fine with that. @rpaulo The PreferredAddress structure includes Connection ID and Stateless Reset Token. I think we should avoid requiring the server to send them twice when it is constrained by the 3-packet rule. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2296#issuecomment-452068052 ----==_mimepart_5c33b44098dc0_7dd63fcfa54d45b816188 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@DavidSchinazi Thank you for the clarification. I thin= k I'm fine with that.

@rpaulo The PreferredAddress structure includes Connection ID= and Stateless Reset Token. I think we should avoid requiring the server = to send them twice when it is constrained by the 3-packet rule.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c33b44098dc0_7dd63fcfa54d45b816188-- From nobody Mon Jan 7 12:21:48 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 513E712008A for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 12:21:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Oa3D9Fnfy1kI for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 12:21:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7940012D4F2 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 12:21:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 12:21:43 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546892503; bh=/XLTfP4WE2DT/203F4I2WHSx7IPKnUVWf5AExoK6sys=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=a3oZxSV2lOSmr8TuMFmYATuHJTK0AxSqKac+i/xwZ/faSsMoYNJUzKKQfIbk7UBhz SlGXmuUgJJmMEmjP3kOrlttMW17PBMB1SvuGIcHADNarbW9xqF/QYou8ht0YeFL2kw TZ0n73VNg/i4bzZkn1piVz+KZwv/nczjsSgmrkNI= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Can I send non-data frames on CONNECT streams? (#2229) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c33b4d7a8e96_62023fbab6ed45bc2231e9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 20:21:47 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c33b4d7a8e96_62023fbab6ed45bc2231e9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, there's technically nothing preventing the use of push.... ;-) More seriously, I don't feel like the prohibition adds much. This maps the definition of the CONNECT method into H3 framing -- DATA frames == TCP payload. In any other respect, it's an HTTP request and frames mean what they otherwise mean. Is there a particular frame that *needs* to be prohibited? HEADERS would indicate a trailer block; it might be worth upstreaming to the updated semantic draft that a CONNECT tunnel can't have trailers. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2229#issuecomment-452068777 ----==_mimepart_5c33b4d7a8e96_62023fbab6ed45bc2231e9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Well, there's technically nothing preventing the use of push.... ;-)<= /p>

More seriously, I don't feel like the prohibition adds much. This map= s the definition of the CONNECT method into H3 framing -- DATA frames =3D= =3D TCP payload. In any other respect, it's an HTTP request and frames m= ean what they otherwise mean.

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I agree with @huitema, we could add text to that section to clarify what handshake finished means and what servers should do if they detect a NAT rebinding during the handshake.

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My thought when I opened this issue was that if we have self-terminating= frames that include a redundant length, then we should use that length for= extensibility. I'm also fine with @ianswett's proposal of removing t= he length from self-terminating frames, ev= en if some consider it over-engineering.

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I'm not against TLV vs TV when omitting the length is given by a known type (I have argued that before). But reserving half the numeric space for TV values when you need to know the type anyway to decode the TV field, that is what I consider overengineering.

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Just a stray thought: is this requirement really strictly needed? It would complicate trasnmitters that split work into multiple processing units which might not be fully synced on the latest ACK'ed.

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----==_mimepart_5c33ba6fc6a41_46883f8f0e0d45bc41768d-- From nobody Mon Jan 7 12:47:38 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08C3112D7EA for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 12:47:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.447 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.447 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tN1oA8ytsqB1 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 12:47:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B654124D68 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 12:47:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=zS9FW3/6INLSy4oHPd2kLuaikDI=; b=p0iZckF4nWTgk2C7 3p6Dqe6q8O1ufSkHaDZx4A3TjOL0ySAWVbzSAVaNofphkVyNTnBbB3+np6WyV0TL P10/QOs9zjTgJy5IeRtsPjW8F1DKO2Z++lnFCzgzM/xLcsSbnbXmcJCRXZRBPkvc qnElHZn3fhiNIsIGh3bjXTJR0sc= Received: by filter0176p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0176p1iad2-8831-5C33BAE6-6 2019-01-07 20:47:34.114778351 +0000 UTC m=+324762.125756811 Received: from github-lowworker-fc273f0.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.33]) by ismtpd0051p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id xpheYsdzRGCaJ2nGD0p7aQ for ; Mon, 07 Jan 2019 20:47:34.011 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-fc273f0.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00366C0A8B for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 12:47:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 20:47:34 +0000 (UTC) From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] endpoints are allowed to retransmit entire payload of a lost packet (#2312) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c33bae5f233e_22893f9ed48d45c043001b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1oC+/lxrdDB/6lIHoCfbllR1xjBDetpGu+q3 tZ6B6+mNVKfK8rMyxHYNWPw3dqUQuJCevApgLoCVPKin9VAvqQq+o1S3vRmcaYiinPEKN5Rn66EjjQ 7J53KR2seuod8cVVn3wZGcJYF7Wfsj1fl4DTJZgDznES0hJkN9xpJlP92Q== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 20:47:37 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c33bae5f233e_22893f9ed48d45c043001b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you want to be explicit, perhaps also mention that stream ranges can be retransmitted with different boundaries or partially, if this isn't already covered by some existing text. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2312#issuecomment-452076253 ----==_mimepart_5c33bae5f233e_22893f9ed48d45c043001b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

If you want to be explicit, perhaps also mention that stream ranges can be retransmitted with different boundaries or partially, if this isn't already covered by some existing text.

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----==_mimepart_5c33bae5f233e_22893f9ed48d45c043001b-- From nobody Mon Jan 7 12:50:08 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 892F512D7EA for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 12:50:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.447 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.447 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 39Vg19VbB3Sh for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 12:50:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 03B79124D68 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 12:50:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 12:50:04 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546894204; bh=wtBkxjT4mlaJnevaeqqXcY11/Q1e4ryv/tKD9A1GuN0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Fiq5ILbhlYJBXhIjM2CS/bwe1bHC8el2bEU69ipNrB/eYcV6BMLpezDpTB2KcjOVQ ze/pZ2mj8+mmta1ZZ04mI8cbJqIVFrWWNFLyItwpddxEfkLAFpRuV98EXjj/jMoZcI RCO03g2LJfA/l+GlJG1ts90v4/X+wS+zgKRNqwRY= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Migration before handshake completed is very messy (#2309) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c33bb7c52e8_7de13fe9682d45c42551db"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 20:50:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c33bb7c52e8_7de13fe9682d45c42551db Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is also the client cert auth post handshake thing (which I don't understand, but I would assume it also depends on a clear definition of when the handshake is complete. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2309#issuecomment-452076995 ----==_mimepart_5c33bb7c52e8_7de13fe9682d45c42551db Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

There is also the client cert auth post handshake thing (which I don't understand, but I would assume it also depends on a clear definition of when the handshake is complete.

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----==_mimepart_5c33bb7c52e8_7de13fe9682d45c42551db-- From nobody Mon Jan 7 12:59:37 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A16F3126DBF for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 12:59:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.065 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.065 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3j5Rxdd1Zdad for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 12:59:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 024C3124D68 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 12:59:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 12:59:34 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546894774; bh=wgFN5Tem9vx4dyUiRNN9ZeyEFpciHzmBfJGL3+2cCT4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=H/vKmesqvCLPqtQ4wd8mrRvsdj9oqQPylCEH3CFFc75rhAEqIQQoKLPUToM8wTNCn 0EcfLQ/Q5ZTB4nR7BjD7uCQ4MavcZKN73dN40DVX11qes/iRaKDCFuHWIllSFwUw6j k5/4+B+bcrSAS5RUV22HAQodODdpeoQOfDPQKq/w= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make HTTP frames a TLV format. This has several advantages: (#2235) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c33bdb62c06a_3d903fdafd8d45c425129e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 20:59:37 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c33bdb62c06a_3d903fdafd8d45c425129e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The previous discussion was #1351. The conclusion there was that the order doesn't matter a great deal (under the assumption that you need both), and so consistency with HTTP/2 was the tie-break. If there's a desire to enable length-less frames, that's an argument for TLV. However, I don't think switching on the type value first is terribly compelling -- there doesn't seem to be a great difference between: - passing your frame parser the type and expecting it to tell you how many bytes of the stream it processed and whether the frame was valid - passing your frame parser the type and length and expecting it to tell you if the frame was mis-sized -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2235#issuecomment-452079678 ----==_mimepart_5c33bdb62c06a_3d903fdafd8d45c425129e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The previous discussion was #1351. The conclusion there wa= s that the order doesn't matter a great deal (under the assumption that y= ou need both), and so consistency with HTTP/2 was the tie-break.

If there's a desire to enable length-less frames, that's an argument f= or TLV. However, I don't think switching on the type value first is terr= ibly compelling -- there doesn't seem to be a great difference between:

  • passing your frame parser the type and expecting it to tell you how m= any bytes of the stream it processed and whether the frame was valid
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  • passing your frame parser the type and length and expecting it to tel= l you if the frame was mis-sized

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= ----==_mimepart_5c33bdb62c06a_3d903fdafd8d45c425129e-- From nobody Mon Jan 7 13:17:19 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 290E112D4F0 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 13:17:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.065 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.065 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VtzFWofTnsQZ for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 13:17:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C1F4912D7F8 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 13:17:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 13:17:12 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546895832; bh=CFQCkIge4tuikRHFzwuKrG1GgpZiD9NbmKYOzaJIEQU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=qU8SFqmIMB5eQCkChbjHhDuQF7IiivClFd0einaAv2VRZtTaELGAO+HTU8v5apzAK FJho9Psu/yS5gqNj3bIH1SUBN5A8nvjmdGD4WBQBrxXIjG4Tv6sebNqkCbDGeFMuLi 2D9Icoa1JSQfhDEBy4RpuFQuXBkitfqrwaU9rBIo= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Why do control streams need to be typed? (#2224) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c33c1d8977bf_3eb83fae74cd45bc165242"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 21:17:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c33c1d8977bf_3eb83fae74cd45bc165242 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think it's been established that we have consensus to have typed streams. It would be possible to pre-assign Stream IDs to the control streams and only use a type byte on higher stream IDs. However, it seems more consistent to use a single mechanism for all unidirectional streams than creating such a hybrid scheme. > Is this isolation principle formulated anywhere btw., transport, or a companion governance'ish draft? The principle I've attempted to maintain is that a stream, once received from the transport, has properties which include the ID, uni/bidi, direction, etc. However, any relationship between those things is the transport's business and the HTTP layer doesn't make assumptions about them. Likewise, the application shouldn't ever have to go to the transport and get a particular stream by ID, because that encodes implicit assumptions about the type, direction, etc. That's primarily been articulated in discussions; it's not a formal protocol property. However, it helps to ensure that HTTP/3 doesn't have to be revved for future versions of the transport which might change those relationships. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2224#issuecomment-452084827 ----==_mimepart_5c33c1d8977bf_3eb83fae74cd45bc165242 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think it's been established that we have consensus to have typed str= eams. It would be possible to pre-assign Stream IDs to the control strea= ms and only use a type byte on higher stream IDs. However, it seems more= consistent to use a single mechanism for all unidirectional streams than= creating such a hybrid scheme.

Is this isolation principle formulated anywhere btw., transport, or a = companion governance'ish draft?

The principle I've attempted to maintain is that a stream, once receiv= ed from the transport, has properties which include the ID, uni/bidi, dir= ection, etc. However, any relationship between those things is the trans= port's business and the HTTP layer doesn't make assumptions about them. = Likewise, the application shouldn't ever have to go to the transport and = get a particular stream by ID, because that encodes implicit assumptions = about the type, direction, etc.

That's primarily been articulated in discussions; it's not a formal pr= otocol property. However, it helps to ensure that HTTP/3 doesn't have to= be revved for future versions of the transport which might change those = relationships.

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We've been talking about Version Negotiation (VN) for a while, as the current design isn't perfect yet. In particular, it is vulnerable to subtle deadlocks and downgrades and requires a full RTT.

I have a proposal for the WG that would effectively punt this issue, allowing us to focus on other QUICv1 deliverables until we actually need VN and have deployment experience.

I'm working with the following assumptions:

  • when we'll have clients and servers supporting both QUICv1 and QUICv2, we will not be willing to pay a full RTT to negotiate which version to use
  • when we standardize QUICv1, we will not know what QUICv2 will look like, so cannot design compatible VN in v1 and be sure it will work with v2
  • compatible VN can rely on transport parameters, so it will be possible to standardize it later as an extension to QUICv1

The proposal is to make VN packets a fatal error that effectively kills the first connection, and have them transmit a new connection ID to allow clients to create a new connection that will hit the same server (or not, based on server preference). In terms of wire format, this makes VN more like Retry by making the server send a new connection ID to the client.

(Note that this was mostly inspired by EKR's proposals.)

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2313

Commit Summary

  • Proposal to make Version Negotiation more like Retry to punt VN to QUICv2

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@mikkelfj While that's possible, I think we should better handle retransmission rules of specific frames in separate PRs.

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I'm confused -- if LR is invalid, the HEADERS frame can't be interpreted, I agree. It's unclear why a failure to decode anything on a request stream could constitute an encoder stream error.

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----==_mimepart_5c33d774c728b_4f63f94f34d45b47039dc-- From nobody Mon Jan 7 14:57:38 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9017712E04D for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 14:57:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.661 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.661 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xyVGBAhE16_s for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 14:57:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E96E912E036 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 14:57:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=AnHYQtdz4crG9UeShHt+5m+sSqM=; b=fL/Ci0f4Wwj5w/7H 27X+OD33lZaz1TSslcD921EaTfPNG64OBxwv5woTVlyrJrNLs52tKVUZJtcfJTuy f0iRKeiW4PDq2K3rdnjiVhDJBMWR7NarRJ7kCZwRMn/8/6Vm1UhHJSB1SmaPcGHz t7L23vGlvgZwato8X8n3lbrLEzY= Received: by filter1236p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1236p1las1-28155-5C33D95D-1A 2019-01-07 22:57:33.689662721 +0000 UTC m=+253373.660520208 Received: from github-lowworker-c7d2ff2.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.32]) by ismtpd0042p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id eIatU8ZMSw6xuD3XsPfs2w for ; Mon, 07 Jan 2019 22:57:33.563 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-c7d2ff2.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60D6A4C0447 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 14:57:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 22:57:34 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ACK of non-existent packet is illegal (#2302) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c33d95d5f4a9_44f83f8f4e8d45c47876a9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3pJRgVkkLBRmW7W/8NIoSnYceu56dnCRaDK0 CJ496ApIwbGYwDB4GEvkbbwsOO2lWpikU5fTuAbbjd0Aq6kj9P5tQ6yYh2XVJOYBoX4FTKP33C1vZ9 RKu2oBA+2/AlMqql7doD7gXRhZ9llM5CFempY7N1ByZTwS1ErBMZx7LS9J2OKifLyFIom6LbHlT8+j 0= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 22:57:37 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c33d95d5f4a9_44f83f8f4e8d45c47876a9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > acknowledgment of its ACK frames, with the knowledge this could cause the sender to unnecessarily retransmit some data. Standard QUIC {{QUIC-RECOVERY}} algorithms declare packets lost after sufficiently newer packets are acknowledged. Therefore, the receiver SHOULD repeatedly acknowledge newly received packets in preference to packets received in the past. +An endpoint SHOULD treat receipt of an acknowledgment for a packet it did not +send as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION, if it is able to detect How so? It should never happen... -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2302#discussion_r245827160 ----==_mimepart_5c33d95d5f4a9_44f83f8f4e8d45c47876a9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  acknowledgment of its ACK frames, with the knowledge this could cause the sender
 to unnecessarily retransmit some data.  Standard QUIC {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}
 algorithms declare packets lost after sufficiently newer packets are
 acknowledged.  Therefore, the receiver SHOULD repeatedly acknowledge newly
 received packets in preference to packets received in the past.
 
+An endpoint SHOULD treat receipt of an acknowledgment for a packet it did not
+send as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION, if it is able to detect

How so? It should never happen...

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I don't feel strongly about the feature itself, but this would make QP= ACK differ from the "increase is permitted" pattern we've created.

Assuming that SETTINGS arrives before any acknowledgements do and give= n that you can't evict unacknowledged entries from the dynamic table anyw= ay, there's no way you could be wrapping under the old value of MaxEntrie= s; increasing the max table size upon receipt of SETTINGS won't change th= e interpretation of anything you've sent.

The problem scenario seems to be a SETTINGS frame that's delayed past = some acknowledgements on the decoder stream -- a bar on evicting anything= until SETTINGS is received seems like the simplest fix.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4086,6 +4086,7 @@ max_ack_delay (0x000b):
   delays in alarms firing.  For example, if a receiver sets a timer for 5ms
   and alarms commonly fire up to 1ms late, then it should send a max_ack_delay
   of 6ms.  If this value is absent, a default of 25 milliseconds is assumed.
+  Values of 2^14 or greater are invalid.

I thought that we already had text to that effect (the adjacent parameters are similarly terse). Added one.

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----==_mimepart_5c33dd84e6450_73763faea14d45c487832c-- From nobody Mon Jan 7 15:18:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A15412EB11 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 15:18:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.661 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.661 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ex8ZRoFG1xhi for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 15:18:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-16.smtp.github.com (out-16.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 67B03124408 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 15:18:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 15:18:53 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546903133; bh=lw4OXTon+0u4OjZQnDH4xPIgfiFsbVY3p6WPrMA+1/A=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=dFhpj66/g9rtMgFdtYmYLt4MbYKuxt4BFPWGLVVg5H1PCH2xESXTNa92VVBgiqB4M T8F1w5S9ncGxGI8ySfrv78dH1yUdmBEgLC4iGWeG/1CXAYR/aZbU6kYqTpN5BZAz65 FU0uvVdI3VxB3U4LlNBiVPHlCsL96557R4u5pD1M= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Use "Insert Count" rather than "Largest Reference" (#2111) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c33de5d94171_44193ff76e0d45bc1139473"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 23:18:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c33de5d94171_44193ff76e0d45bc1139473 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MikeBishop commented on this pull request. > @@ -784,29 +798,29 @@ streams emit the headers for an HTTP request or response. ### Header Data Prefix {#header-prefix} -Header data is prefixed with two integers, `Largest Reference` and `Base Index`. +Header data is prefixed with two integers, `Required Insert Count` and `Base`. The guidance that I've previously received is that illustrations are helpful, but not normative, and the text therefore has to convey everything that's required to implement. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2111#discussion_r245831403 ----==_mimepart_5c33de5d94171_44193ff76e0d45bc1139473 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -784,29 +798,29 @@ streams emit the headers for an HTTP request or response.
 
 ### Header Data Prefix {#header-prefix}
 
-Header data is prefixed with two integers, `Largest Reference` and `Base Index`.
+Header data is prefixed with two integers, `Required Insert Count` and `Base`.

The guidance that I've previously received is that illustrations are helpful, but not normative, and the text therefore has to convey everything that's required to implement.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2609,15 +2605,22 @@ details.
 
 ## Coalescing Packets {#packet-coalesce}
 
-A sender can coalesce multiple QUIC packets into one UDP datagram.  This can
-reduce the number of UDP datagrams needed to complete the cryptographic
-handshake and starting sending data.  Receivers MUST be able to process
-coalesced packets.
+Initial ({{packet-initial}}), 0-RTT ({{packet-0rtt}}), and Handshake
+({{packet-handshake}}) packets contain a Length field, which determines the end

I think we might want to either rename the Length field, or at least clarify that it's in a different place based on the Long Header Type.

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The comments in this PR discuss an "Extended Long Header" but I don't see it in the actual diff. Was it removed? I tried to address this in #2295 but I'm happy to have it be fixed here with an explicit extended long header.

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@ianswett good point I wasn't aware of #2203, thanks. I added some comments over there.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 ~~~
    struct {
-     enum { IPv4(4), IPv6(6), (15) } ipVersion;
-     opaque ipAddress<4..2^8-1>;
+     opaque ipv4Address<0..2^8-1>;
+     opaque ipv6Address<0..2^8-1>;
      uint16 port;

And I'm ok with having the same port across versions. Which all suggests a smaller change:

ipv4Address[4];
ipv6Address[16];
uint16 port;

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Based on there being existing text, I think that we'll just use this for clarifying where the boundary is. PRs sought.

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In general, I think this is a good improvement. You seem to switch from using "Base" to using "the Base" part-way through, so I'd pick one and switch the others. > @@ -444,33 +452,40 @@ referenced by a given relative index will change while interpreting instructions on the encoder stream. ~~~~~ drawing - +---+---------------+-----------+ - | n | ... | d + 1 | Absolute Index - + - +---------------+ - - - - - + - | 0 | ... | n - d - 1 | Relative Index - +---+---------------+-----------+ - ^ | - | V -Insertion Point Dropping Point + +---+---------------+-----------+ + | n | ... | d | Absolute Index If Absolute Index is zero-based, then the Absolute Index of the most recently inserted item would be n-1. > -Header data is prefixed with two integers, `Largest Reference` and `Base Index`. +Each header block is prefixed with two integers. The Required Insert Count +encoded as an integer with an 8-bit prefix after the encoding described in **is** encoded, presumably. > ~~~ -TotalNumberOfInserts is the total number of inserts into the decoder's -dynamic table. This encoding limits the length of the prefix on -long-lived connections. +Where TotalNumberOfInserts is the total number of inserts into the decoder's I know that the actual intent is to continue the previous sentence (...using the following algorithm, where....), but this reads as a dangling phrase. If you want the "where," maybe move the whole thing above the algorithm? > A header block that does not reference the dynamic table can use any value for -Base Index; setting both Largest Reference and Base Index to zero is the most +Base; setting both Required Insert Count and Delta Base to zero is the most efficient encoding. NYT but isn't it required to set a correct RIC? > -Because frames from request streams can be delivered out of order with -instructions on the encoder stream, relative indices are relative to the Base -Index at the beginning of the header block (see {{header-prefix}}). The Base -Index is an absolute index. When interpreting the rest of the frame, the entry -identified by Base Index has a relative index of zero. The relative indices of -entries do not change while interpreting headers on a request or push stream. +Unlike on the encoder stream, relative indices on push and request streams are +relative to the Base at the beginning of the header block (see +{{header-prefix}}). This ensures that references are stable even if the dynamic +table is updated while decoding a header block. + +The Base is encoded as a value relative to the Required Insert Count. The Base +identifies which dynamic table entries can be referenced using relative +indexing, starting with 0 at the last entry added. + +Post-base references are used for entries inserted after base, starting at 0 for "Base" is capitalized elsewhere -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2111#pullrequestreview-190039015 ----==_mimepart_5c33e3d19474b_72a13fb3054d45c095813d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@MikeBishop approved this pull request.

In general, I think this is a good improvement. You seem to switch from using "Base" to using "the Base" part-way through, so I'd pick one and switch the others.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -444,33 +452,40 @@ referenced by a given relative index will change while interpreting instructions
 on the encoder stream.
 
 ~~~~~ drawing
-    +---+---------------+-----------+
-    | n |      ...      |   d + 1   |  Absolute Index
-    + - +---------------+ - - - - - +
-    | 0 |      ...      | n - d - 1 |  Relative Index
-    +---+---------------+-----------+
-      ^                       |
-      |                       V
-Insertion Point         Dropping Point
+      +---+---------------+-----------+
+      | n |      ...      |     d     |  Absolute Index

If Absolute Index is zero-based, then the Absolute Index of the most recently inserted item would be n-1.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  
-Header data is prefixed with two integers, `Largest Reference` and `Base Index`.
+Each header block is prefixed with two integers.  The Required Insert Count
+encoded as an integer with an 8-bit prefix after the encoding described in

is encoded, presumably.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  ~~~
 
-TotalNumberOfInserts is the total number of inserts into the decoder's
-dynamic table.  This encoding limits the length of the prefix on
-long-lived connections.
+Where TotalNumberOfInserts is the total number of inserts into the decoder's

I know that the actual intent is to continue the previous sentence (...using the following algorithm, where....), but this reads as a dangling phrase. If you want the "where," maybe move the whole thing above the algorithm?

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  
 A header block that does not reference the dynamic table can use any value for
-Base Index; setting both Largest Reference and Base Index to zero is the most
+Base; setting both Required Insert Count and Delta Base to zero is the most
 efficient encoding.

NYT but isn't it required to set a correct RIC?

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> -Because frames from request streams can be delivered out of order with
-instructions on the encoder stream, relative indices are relative to the Base
-Index at the beginning of the header block (see {{header-prefix}}). The Base
-Index is an absolute index. When interpreting the rest of the frame, the entry
-identified by Base Index has a relative index of zero.  The relative indices of
-entries do not change while interpreting headers on a request or push stream.
+Unlike on the encoder stream, relative indices on push and request streams are
+relative to the Base at the beginning of the header block (see
+{{header-prefix}}). This ensures that references are stable even if the dynamic
+table is updated while decoding a header block.
+
+The Base is encoded as a value relative to the Required Insert Count. The Base
+identifies which dynamic table entries can be referenced using relative
+indexing, starting with 0 at the last entry added.
+
+Post-base references are used for entries inserted after base, starting at 0 for

"Base" is capitalized elsewhere

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While I think that we permit this, this has the effect of encouraging it. I would move this statement to Section 13.2 and include a little more framing. That would put it in context better. That is, endpoints are strongly encouraged to generate new frames for sending information that didn't make it, but they need to be tolerant of peers that just regurgitate the same frames multiple times.

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  • Explain why it's there.
  • Write down the specific requirements for TLS ALPN.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1215,7 +1215,9 @@ QUIC requires that the cryptographic handshake provide authenticated protocol
 negotiation.  TLS uses Application Layer Protocol Negotiation (ALPN)
 {{!RFC7301}} to select an application protocol.  Unless another mechanism is
 used for agreeing on an application protocol, endpoints MUST use ALPN for this
-purpose.
+purpose.  Specifically, the client MUST send the ALPN extension, the server MUST

..., MUST send at least one supported application protocol, ...

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  acknowledgment of its ACK frames, with the knowledge this could cause the sender
 to unnecessarily retransmit some data.  Standard QUIC {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}
 algorithms declare packets lost after sufficiently newer packets are
 acknowledged.  Therefore, the receiver SHOULD repeatedly acknowledge newly
 received packets in preference to packets received in the past.
 
+An endpoint SHOULD treat receipt of an acknowledgment for a packet it did not
+send as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION, if it is able to detect

None of our errors (except for NO_ERROR) should ever happen. We have error codes for exactly those cases where things happen that are not supposed to happen.

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----==_mimepart_5c33f653100c1_5e9c3f9a936d45bc1330429-- From nobody Mon Jan 7 17:03:52 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB211130E05 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 17:03:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.661 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.661 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xgtgyNCFA5cU for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 17:03:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 672D812F1A6 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 17:03:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 17:03:46 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546909426; bh=1pu5fYPWxbJs4IXCafUlk+QKiL7WOCd0PL/S9Z+xSk0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=yZUniSueo8a3Tv0unJ0ZanPC5JtIq8j0Wb7DnF8kSjrFBTYxO4D3nm5kPUMhrs7Bk ukMT6JethIWLrsdM5X5FaciXZQDCVNTLZMQq6Jlx/tYTZuQ1AKMERo/LmPDwaIEq7q D9qx2D2SkDi+JYnCO8cmCi0NnRzgSbwUbvAVM+Is= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ACK of non-existent packet is illegal (#2302) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c33f6f23d833_44e3fbc908d45b416362d5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2019 01:03:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c33f6f23d833_44e3fbc908d45b416362d5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit janaiyengar commented on this pull request. > acknowledgment of its ACK frames, with the knowledge this could cause the sender to unnecessarily retransmit some data. Standard QUIC {{QUIC-RECOVERY}} algorithms declare packets lost after sufficiently newer packets are acknowledged. Therefore, the receiver SHOULD repeatedly acknowledge newly received packets in preference to packets received in the past. +An endpoint SHOULD treat receipt of an acknowledgment for a packet it did not +send as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION, if it is able to detect I don't have a strong opinion, but PROTOCOL_VIOLATION seems like a fine error for this. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2302#discussion_r245849623 ----==_mimepart_5c33f6f23d833_44e3fbc908d45b416362d5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  acknowledgment of its ACK frames, with the knowledge this could cause the sender
 to unnecessarily retransmit some data.  Standard QUIC {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}
 algorithms declare packets lost after sufficiently newer packets are
 acknowledged.  Therefore, the receiver SHOULD repeatedly acknowledge newly
 received packets in preference to packets received in the past.
 
+An endpoint SHOULD treat receipt of an acknowledgment for a packet it did not
+send as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION, if it is able to detect

I don't have a strong opinion, but PROTOCOL_VIOLATION seems like a fine error for this.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  acknowledgment of its ACK frames, with the knowledge this could cause the sender
 to unnecessarily retransmit some data.  Standard QUIC {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}
 algorithms declare packets lost after sufficiently newer packets are
 acknowledged.  Therefore, the receiver SHOULD repeatedly acknowledge newly
 received packets in preference to packets received in the past.
 
+An endpoint SHOULD treat receipt of an acknowledgment for a packet it did not
+send as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION, if it is able to detect

We had PROTOCOL_VIOLATIONs come up in interop testing a couple of times. The problem is, it tells you exactly nothing about what's going wrong.

gQUIC was (relatively) easy to debug, partly because it has a very long list of error codes. At some point (and I don't remember when and why), we decided to shrink that list to just around 10 error codes. Now we don't even have a single error code left for loss-recovery related errors - it's all just a PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  acknowledgment of its ACK frames, with the knowledge this could cause the sender
 to unnecessarily retransmit some data.  Standard QUIC {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}
 algorithms declare packets lost after sufficiently newer packets are
 acknowledged.  Therefore, the receiver SHOULD repeatedly acknowledge newly
 received packets in preference to packets received in the past.
 
+An endpoint SHOULD treat receipt of an acknowledgment for a packet it did not
+send as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION, if it is able to detect

@marten-seemann Shouldn't we be using Reason Phrase for debugging? It provides the endpoint to decide how granular the error reports can be, without requiring all the stack handle the errors the same way.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
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+section consists of 3 ECN counts as follows:

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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-An endpoint will know the final offset for a stream when the receiving part of
-the stream enters the "Size Known" or "Reset Recvd" state ({{stream-states}}).
+For a
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+frame.  Otherwise, the final size is the offset plus the length of a STREAM

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----==_mimepart_5c33fdf5badcd_40023f8b896d45bc564f7-- From nobody Mon Jan 7 17:33:53 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4CCF130E4F for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 17:33:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8kH70dQFeCZQ for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 17:33:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 75084130E54 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 17:33:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 17:33:43 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546911223; bh=8P9fVXRE4MjUkQwJHf3ySBrLpS4fj41DcK39tNIpj6Y=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=tqw1+mmaVcK06c4rQtEGmdQ/RxEYmMLaLcExyO8DcRzNnP/CfF3z2d+GwsF2VYmoJ sKqrREt3MoAifD0tBVQN4jlV9ujUq/LSPxR009kBurHtF8VZXig2yec3LSbdfVHz3D VqFlI/6Vh87m3VoHZ64r4aV0dl52Xn+ZzOsjivtQ= From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ACK of non-existent packet is illegal (#2302) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c33fdf7a1be9_354a3f97d56d45b4105513"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2019 01:33:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c33fdf7a1be9_354a3f97d56d45b4105513 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit marten-seemann commented on this pull request. > acknowledgment of its ACK frames, with the knowledge this could cause the sender to unnecessarily retransmit some data. Standard QUIC {{QUIC-RECOVERY}} algorithms declare packets lost after sufficiently newer packets are acknowledged. Therefore, the receiver SHOULD repeatedly acknowledge newly received packets in preference to packets received in the past. +An endpoint SHOULD treat receipt of an acknowledgment for a packet it did not +send as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION, if it is able to detect Actually, I think of the reason phrase as giving more details about the error, e.g. when exceeding the stream limit, I'd send the error code STREAM_LIMIT_ERROR, and then the reason phrase might say "Peer tried to open stream 124, but stream limit was 116.". If we say that all information should go into the reason phrase, then why do we have FLOW_CONTROL_ERROR, STREAM_LIMIT_ERROR, FINAL_OFFSET_ERROR, FRAME_ENCODING_ERROR and TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR? They're certainly just protocol violations of one sort or another. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2302#discussion_r245854197 ----==_mimepart_5c33fdf7a1be9_354a3f97d56d45b4105513 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  acknowledgment of its ACK frames, with the knowledge this could cause the sender
 to unnecessarily retransmit some data.  Standard QUIC {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}
 algorithms declare packets lost after sufficiently newer packets are
 acknowledged.  Therefore, the receiver SHOULD repeatedly acknowledge newly
 received packets in preference to packets received in the past.
 
+An endpoint SHOULD treat receipt of an acknowledgment for a packet it did not
+send as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION, if it is able to detect

Actually, I think of the reason phrase as giving more details about the error, e.g. when exceeding the stream limit, I'd send the error code STREAM_LIMIT_ERROR, and then the reason phrase might say "Peer tried to open stream 124, but stream limit was 116.".

If we say that all information should go into the reason phrase, then why do we have FLOW_CONTROL_ERROR, STREAM_LIMIT_ERROR, FINAL_OFFSET_ERROR, FRAME_ENCODING_ERROR and TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR? They're certainly just protocol violations of one sort or another.

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I didn't open an issue, because I thought this was straightforward. In m= y implementation I use PINGs quite often for loss recovery purposes. Just s= ending a single PING frame is for example a valid way to generate a probe p= acket. There's no security implication of allowing PING frames.

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I think we should leave this as it is, primarily for the reason that t= his is an unnecessary constraint. The efficiency argument isn't strong f= or non-frame use cases, and the loss of flexibility can be an issue. @larseggert might have trouble with forcing packet lengths to be = minimally represented, for the same reason as @nibanks.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
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    struct {
-     enum { IPv4(4), IPv6(6), (15) } ipVersion;
-     opaque ipAddress<4..2^8-1>;
+     opaque ipv4Address<0..2^8-1>;
+     opaque ipv6Address<0..2^8-1>;
      uint16 port;

Why would the ipv4 and ipv6 port numbers be the same? That seems like a special case derived from the HTTP use case.

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@gloinul, what @kazuho says. Also, a sender needs to be able to simply deal with reordering on the ack path. Did you mean something else?

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 ~~~
    struct {
-     enum { IPv4(4), IPv6(6), (15) } ipVersion;
-     opaque ipAddress<4..2^8-1>;
+     opaque ipv4Address<0..2^8-1>;
+     opaque ipv6Address<0..2^8-1>;
      uint16 port;

If there's a real use case for separate port numbers, I can see adding that flexibility, but otherwise I prefer @martinthomson 's suggestion.

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  • remove misleading sentence about closing and stateless resets
  • allow closing and draining periods longer than 3 PTO
  • editorial changes in the closing section

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 ~~~
    struct {
-     enum { IPv4(4), IPv6(6), (15) } ipVersion;
-     opaque ipAddress<4..2^8-1>;
+     opaque ipv4Address<0..2^8-1>;
+     opaque ipv6Address<0..2^8-1>;
      uint16 port;

p2p applications might not assign any meaning to ports, but just use a random port number. There's no reason why those values would be the same for IPv4 and IPv6.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 An endpoint enters a closing period after initiating an immediate close
 ({{immediate-close}}).  While closing, an endpoint MUST NOT send packets unless
 they contain a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame (see {{immediate-close}} for details).  An
 endpoint retains only enough information to generate a packet containing a
 CONNECTION_CLOSE frame and to identify packets as belonging to the connection.
-The connection ID and QUIC version is sufficient information to identify packets
-for a closing connection; an endpoint can discard all other connection state.
-An endpoint MAY retain packet protection keys for incoming packets to allow it
-to read and process a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.
+The source and the destination connection ID and the QUIC version are sufficient

If it's possible the source CID could change, I'd suggest we only mention the destination CID.

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----==_mimepart_5c341c5088701_10943fc9fd0d45c4352729-- From nobody Mon Jan 7 19:51:47 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08AE91310AD for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 19:51:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.661 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.661 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UfVYnDGR7IAV for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 19:51:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-12.smtp.github.com (out-12.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C5401310AB for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 19:51:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 19:51:43 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546919503; bh=97EqeOcGDfyRr0u4/dplqlYgvVyaGTkIrc6qX9Ss6nY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=CvVHK1nMWpRaZdqh3DqYf52gSm1b8wIGAuvz4MjAXLXCP9Ln7n24KX3xjlE8Nr69G 22K7i+sSz8x5q1hXCHpLaVSNECRWdqdUXmO+/DdFUdS67KValyWAr3+pWGpouSR8Fl 9vGUePdZKWha0So0AAlWQLjrQs2O8RAutPoZ99Zw= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Proposal to make Version Negotiation more like Retry to punt VN to QUICv2 (#2313) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c341e4f9e7af_33803f9d4c8d45b8361596"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2019 03:51:46 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c341e4f9e7af_33803f9d4c8d45b8361596 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ianswett commented on this pull request. > -The server MUST include the value from the Source Connection ID field of the -packet it receives in the Destination Connection ID field. The value for Source -Connection ID MUST be copied from the Destination Connection ID of the received -packet, which is initially randomly selected by a client. Echoing both -connection IDs gives clients some assurance that the server received the packet -and that the Version Negotiation packet was not generated by an off-path -attacker. +Reserved Bits (R): There is a lot of added text here. Is that because the long header packets are currently not correctly documented? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2313#pullrequestreview-190084364 ----==_mimepart_5c341e4f9e7af_33803f9d4c8d45b8361596 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-The server MUST include the value from the Source Connection ID field of the
-packet it receives in the Destination Connection ID field.  The value for Source
-Connection ID MUST be copied from the Destination Connection ID of the received
-packet, which is initially randomly selected by a client.  Echoing both
-connection IDs gives clients some assurance that the server received the packet
-and that the Version Negotiation packet was not generated by an off-path
-attacker.
+Reserved Bits (R):

There is a lot of added text here. Is that because the long header packets are currently not correctly documented?

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I'm not sure if we want to make this change, but I think this is good text overall.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4086,6 +4086,7 @@ max_ack_delay (0x000b):
   delays in alarms firing.  For example, if a receiver sets a timer for 5ms
   and alarms commonly fire up to 1ms late, then it should send a max_ack_delay
   of 6ms.  If this value is absent, a default of 25 milliseconds is assumed.
+  Values of 2^14 or greater are invalid.

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I agree that I'd like to discourage this a bit more than this PR does.

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From my experience, decryption failure is extraordinarily rare. Sufficiently so it's not worth worrying about or optimizing for cases when one QUIC packet decrypts and another does not.

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----==_mimepart_5c342530ed159_6ee93fb4a68d45c455170-- From nobody Mon Jan 7 20:30:16 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DA881310B7 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 20:30:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.447 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.447 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J3EidRU6rMMv for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 20:30:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D940E1310A6 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 20:30:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 20:30:11 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546921811; bh=1QTWt+7DNUZvK6h/P7tdYXP4fxKiQ9xI9JVvHndqv2s=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=cPWgbDIQg41Am+FeG5wsxg2X3WLcy0jgHB1513F3LpG3ENAK5S17j+QLCBibnK/BB TT4qlw6hWxm364EyUxyYp9PhU8tJTWR3MWWa3BtKWPrRP+y8ifFd2X6h1mS2zZ/7B8 10cFaBOUg/WyJ6cjNSOi/fSU92LQS3mIvOiqwYDk= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] persistent congestion is more aggressive than RTO verified (#2255) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c342753cab0d_27d43fb4188d45bc46594b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2019 04:30:15 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c342753cab0d_27d43fb4188d45bc46594b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe the text is now correct, but the pseudocode is still incorrect in the way you describe. I think we should introduce a largest_sent_before_congestion variable as a replacement, but I'm open to other solutions. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2255#issuecomment-452171684 ----==_mimepart_5c342753cab0d_27d43fb4188d45bc46594b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I believe the text is now correct, but the pseudocode is still incorrect in the way you describe.

I think we should introduce a largest_sent_before_congestion variable as a replacement, but I'm open to other solutions.

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Merged #2197 into master.

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----==_mimepart_5c34281c717ff_38613fe44d6d45b8780920-- From nobody Mon Jan 7 20:40:13 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 617E11310C5 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 20:40:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.065 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.065 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yA0D14tZi9Wx for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 20:40:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7A6081292F1 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 20:40:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 20:40:08 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546922408; bh=uvBZuyK5mdEbZCEhnJMr+BOHJB7xYa6BvEsEkdsLNCg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=1mE8FUgWl/N60eNI42Ht/YU9SAgh7K3Z57bnC8OmjeaNqNUAbclQEw7LF4Fe560lS 9sCFbi/vgrsVV6aNKY5w8+kqV/dnpvk0Y5sVx8BBfST8qYPi1EBjZUx7U/xOarUF3L 0jpRd4T8BdNlHddiu3ZtMn/qJQ4MDYvylkZriAkY= From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] editorial changes in the closing section (#2315) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c3429a8978dc_34113f9d4c8d45b85817be"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2019 04:40:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c3429a8978dc_34113f9d4c8d45b85817be Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit marten-seemann commented on this pull request. > An endpoint enters a closing period after initiating an immediate close ({{immediate-close}}). While closing, an endpoint MUST NOT send packets unless they contain a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame (see {{immediate-close}} for details). An endpoint retains only enough information to generate a packet containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame and to identify packets as belonging to the connection. -The connection ID and QUIC version is sufficient information to identify packets -for a closing connection; an endpoint can discard all other connection state. -An endpoint MAY retain packet protection keys for incoming packets to allow it -to read and process a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame. +The source and the destination connection ID and the QUIC version are sufficient It looks like we have different scenarios in mind. I was thinking about an error that occurs during the handshake. In that case, you close the connection, but there might still be Handshake packets arriving, which you would want to ignore then. You seem to be thinking about the peer switching to a new connection ID. If we want to cover that case, it seems like we need to remember *all* connection IDs that are still active. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2315#discussion_r245875839 ----==_mimepart_5c3429a8978dc_34113f9d4c8d45b85817be Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@marten-seemann commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 An endpoint enters a closing period after initiating an immediate close
 ({{immediate-close}}).  While closing, an endpoint MUST NOT send packets unless
 they contain a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame (see {{immediate-close}} for details).  An
 endpoint retains only enough information to generate a packet containing a
 CONNECTION_CLOSE frame and to identify packets as belonging to the connection.
-The connection ID and QUIC version is sufficient information to identify packets
-for a closing connection; an endpoint can discard all other connection state.
-An endpoint MAY retain packet protection keys for incoming packets to allow it
-to read and process a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.
+The source and the destination connection ID and the QUIC version are sufficient

It looks like we have different scenarios in mind. I was thinking about an error that occurs during the handshake. In that case, you close the connection, but there might still be Handshake packets arriving, which you would want to ignore then.
You seem to be thinking about the peer switching to a new connection ID. If we want to cover that case, it seems like we need to remember all connection IDs that are still active.

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Packets are acknowledged, though packet numbers are communicated to acknowledge them.

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----==_mimepart_5c342de02c1cc_35623fbe03ed45bc611219-- From nobody Mon Jan 7 21:20:05 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4AC71310E4 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 21:20:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.447 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.447 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N-7jD_z_wooq for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 21:20:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 42374127133 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 21:20:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 21:20:01 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546924801; bh=qnE+AkUjN7owQdsjRa4W7kOa/m4DfaNSaJHocLPy9ZE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=VAvyiB5fkI/Kzqfl8KUnyTxfMECXCto4HSTS+9F3krY4KbjyCbit0qv4Zfn6fmUan vqNxPlaFC+/ZqDO+0zaV1XERmeFp9Mk/i2ljMPsLS2bQhiFpSXFU+7hIt4zZxsL4dL wqjaJa+6WuzwlP9plIqAZr1uNNrvzT1uNjG/8KqU= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] consider making the varint encoding unique (#2299) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c3433014c8d6_731f3fd1d30d45b431467"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2019 05:20:04 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c3433014c8d6_731f3fd1d30d45b431467 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm seeing fair support for closing with no action, but I'm happy to leave this until we meet in Tokyo. Does anyone want to add anything? I'll close if there is no new information or argument. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2299#issuecomment-452178980 ----==_mimepart_5c3433014c8d6_731f3fd1d30d45b431467 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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While closing, an endpoint MUST NOT send packets unless they contain a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame (see {{immediate-close}} for details). An endpoint retains only enough information to generate a packet containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame and to identify packets as belonging to the connection. -The connection ID and QUIC version is sufficient information to identify packets -for a closing connection; an endpoint can discard all other connection state. -An endpoint MAY retain packet protection keys for incoming packets to allow it -to read and process a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame. +The source and the destination connection ID and the QUIC version are sufficient The intent here was destination connection ID. That should always be sufficient to identify the connection. The source connection ID doesn't appear on any packets that are likely to matter and it only matters for the purposes of generating these packets. Source connection ID might matter for the first Initial packet from the client, where there might be some value in distinguishing between connection attempts with colliding destination connection IDs. The odds of that are slim enough for this to not matter though. > @@ -2225,14 +2226,11 @@ connection state. This results in new packets on the connection being handled generically. For instance, an endpoint MAY send a stateless reset in response to any further incoming packets. -The draining and closing periods do not apply when a stateless reset -({{stateless-reset}}) is sent. - What do you hope to achieve by removing this text? It's still accurate, right? > An endpoint is not expected to handle key updates when it is closing or draining. A key update might prevent the endpoint from moving from the closing state to draining, but it otherwise has no impact. -While in the closing period, an endpoint could receive packets from a new source +While in the closing period, a server could receive packets from a new source address, indicating a client connection migration ({{migration}}). An endpoint We've generally avoided assigning roles, preferring to talk about migration as valid in both directions, so it might be better to say endpoint/peer rather than server/client here. That doesn't matter though. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2315#pullrequestreview-190096457 ----==_mimepart_5c34358d6d46c_49de3fd9434d45c0836de Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 An endpoint enters a closing period after initiating an immediate close
 ({{immediate-close}}).  While closing, an endpoint MUST NOT send packets unless
 they contain a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame (see {{immediate-close}} for details).  An
 endpoint retains only enough information to generate a packet containing a
 CONNECTION_CLOSE frame and to identify packets as belonging to the connection.
-The connection ID and QUIC version is sufficient information to identify packets
-for a closing connection; an endpoint can discard all other connection state.
-An endpoint MAY retain packet protection keys for incoming packets to allow it
-to read and process a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.
+The source and the destination connection ID and the QUIC version are sufficient

The intent here was destination connection ID. That should always be sufficient to identify the connection. The source connection ID doesn't appear on any packets that are likely to matter and it only matters for the purposes of generating these packets.

Source connection ID might matter for the first Initial packet from the client, where there might be some value in distinguishing between connection attempts with colliding destination connection IDs. The odds of that are slim enough for this to not matter though.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2225,14 +2226,11 @@ connection state.  This results in new packets on the connection being handled
 generically.  For instance, an endpoint MAY send a stateless reset in response
 to any further incoming packets.
 
-The draining and closing periods do not apply when a stateless reset
-({{stateless-reset}}) is sent.
-

What do you hope to achieve by removing this text? It's still accurate, right?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  An endpoint is not expected to handle key updates when it is closing or
 draining.  A key update might prevent the endpoint from moving from the closing
 state to draining, but it otherwise has no impact.
 
-While in the closing period, an endpoint could receive packets from a new source
+While in the closing period, a server could receive packets from a new source
 address, indicating a client connection migration ({{migration}}). An endpoint

We've generally avoided assigning roles, preferring to talk about migration as valid in both directions, so it might be better to say endpoint/peer rather than server/client here. That doesn't matter though.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -destroyed earlier.
+When keys for an packet number space are discarded, any in-flight packets
+sent with those keys are removed from the count of bytes in flight.  Loss
+recovery state is also discarded, so no loss events will occur for any
+in-flight packets from that space(see {{discard-initial}}).  Note that it is
+expected that keys are discarded after those packets would be declared lost,
+but Initial secrets are destroyed earlier.
+
+## Discarding 0-RTT packet state
+
+When 0-RTT is rejected, all in-flight 0-RTT packets still are removed from
+the count of bytes in flight.  Loss recovery state is also discarded, so no
+loss events will occur for any in-flight 0-RTT packets.  If a server does not
+buffer out-of-order packets and accepts 0-RTT, there is a chance of declaring
+0-RTT packets lost that were actually discarded by the server, but this is
+expected to be infrequent.

Do we need to care about loss?

I ask this based on the assumption that a server will retain the 0-RTT read key for 3 PTO after obtaining 1-RTT read key.

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Thanks for cleaning this up. One more TODO down. > @@ -2830,13 +2830,15 @@ valid frames? --> ### Sending ACK Frames - - -To avoid creating an indefinite feedback loop, an endpoint MUST NOT send an ACK -frame in response to a packet containing only ACK or PADDING frames, even if -there are packet gaps which precede the received packet. The endpoint MUST -however acknowledge packets containing only ACK or PADDING frames when sending -ACK frames in response to other packets. +ACK frames are sent to acknowledge received packets and indicate the frames +within them has been processed. An endpoint MUST NOT send more than one packet The transition to the second sentence is a little jarring. I think that you could make it a new paragraph. > @@ -2830,13 +2830,15 @@ valid frames? --> ### Sending ACK Frames - - -To avoid creating an indefinite feedback loop, an endpoint MUST NOT send an ACK -frame in response to a packet containing only ACK or PADDING frames, even if -there are packet gaps which precede the received packet. The endpoint MUST -however acknowledge packets containing only ACK or PADDING frames when sending -ACK frames in response to other packets. +ACK frames are sent to acknowledge received packets and indicate the frames +within them has been processed. An endpoint MUST NOT send more than one packet +containing only an ACK frame per received packet that contains frames other +than ACK and PADDING frames. Specifically, to avoid creating an indefinite Can we simplify and say: no more than one packet containing only ACK and PADDING frames per packet received? And then: no packets at all in response to a packet containing only ACK and PADDING [, even if gaps...]. > @@ -2857,11 +2856,10 @@ needing acknowledgement are received. The sender can use the receiver's Strategies and implications of the frequency of generating acknowledgments are discussed in more detail in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. -To limit the ranges of acknowledged packet numbers to those that have not yet -been received by the sender, the receiver SHOULD track which ACK frames have -been acknowledged by its peer. The receiver SHOULD exclude already acknowledged -packets from future ACK frames whenever these packets would unnecessarily -contribute to the ACK frame size. +To limit ACK ranges to those that have not yet been received by the sender, the ```suggestion To limit ACK Ranges (see {{ack-ranges}}) to those that have not yet been received by the sender, the ``` > @@ -4245,13 +4243,13 @@ First ACK Range: : A variable-length integer indicating the number of contiguous packets preceding the Largest Acknowledged that are being acknowledged. The First ACK Range is encoded as an ACK Range (see {{ack-ranges}}) starting from the - Largest Acknowledged. That is, the smallest packet number included in the + Largest Acknowledged. That is, the smallest packet acknowleged in the ```suggestion Largest Acknowledged. That is, the smallest packet acknowledged in the ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Thanks for cleaning this up. One more TODO down.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -destroyed earlier.
+When keys for an packet number space are discarded, any in-flight packets
+sent with those keys are removed from the count of bytes in flight.  Loss
+recovery state is also discarded, so no loss events will occur for any
+in-flight packets from that space(see {{discard-initial}}).  Note that it is
+expected that keys are discarded after those packets would be declared lost,
+but Initial secrets are destroyed earlier.
+
+## Discarding 0-RTT packet state
+
+When 0-RTT is rejected, all in-flight 0-RTT packets still are removed from
+the count of bytes in flight.  Loss recovery state is also discarded, so no
+loss events will occur for any in-flight 0-RTT packets.  If a server does not
+buffer out-of-order packets and accepts 0-RTT, there is a chance of declaring
+0-RTT packets lost that were actually discarded by the server, but this is
+expected to be infrequent.

The problem here is that reordering will manifest as loss, that's all. As the text says, that's rare, and the effect is limited to having to send the data again and maybe having congestion windows docked.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -destroyed earlier.
+When keys for an packet number space are discarded, any in-flight packets
+sent with those keys are removed from the count of bytes in flight.  Loss
+recovery state is also discarded, so no loss events will occur for any
+in-flight packets from that space(see {{discard-initial}}).  Note that it is
+expected that keys are discarded after those packets would be declared lost,
+but Initial secrets are destroyed earlier.
+
+## Discarding 0-RTT packet state
+
+When 0-RTT is rejected, all in-flight 0-RTT packets still are removed from
+the count of bytes in flight.  Loss recovery state is also discarded, so no
+loss events will occur for any in-flight 0-RTT packets.  If a server does not
+buffer out-of-order packets and accepts 0-RTT, there is a chance of declaring
+0-RTT packets lost that were actually discarded by the server, but this is
+expected to be infrequent.

My bad. I incorrectly assumed that the text is talking about 0-RTT packets arriving late. Actually, it is talking about 0-RTT packets arriving before Initial.

I am not sure if others would have the same confusion as I had, but changing "but does not buffer out of order packets and there is reordering" to "but does not buffer 0-RTT packets arriving before Initial packets" might better clarify what is being discussed here.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -destroyed earlier.
+When keys for an packet number space are discarded, any in-flight packets
+sent with those keys are removed from the count of bytes in flight.  Loss
+recovery state is also discarded, so no loss events will occur for any
+in-flight packets from that space(see {{discard-initial}}).  Note that it is
+expected that keys are discarded after those packets would be declared lost,
+but Initial secrets are destroyed earlier.
+
+## Discarding 0-RTT packet state
+
+When 0-RTT is rejected, all in-flight 0-RTT packets still are removed from
+the count of bytes in flight.  Loss recovery state is also discarded, so no
+loss events will occur for any in-flight 0-RTT packets.  If a server does not
+buffer out-of-order packets and accepts 0-RTT, there is a chance of declaring
+0-RTT packets lost that were actually discarded by the server, but this is
+expected to be infrequent.

That would be an improvement, I agree.

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@janaiyengar

One advice here could be that if a server needs the client to not move= to a different IP address, it can simply disable migration via the disab= le_migration TP. This is a policy decision of course.

I am not sure if I agree with the framing.

It is often the case that only some of the URIs of an origin = applies address-based authentication. I do not think that disallowing mig= ration for the entire origin is the correct solution.

I think it is better to encourage (or requires) HTTP servers to consid= er "current IP address" as the client address of each HTTP request.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2225,14 +2226,11 @@ connection state.  This results in new packets on the connection being handled
 generically.  For instance, an endpoint MAY send a stateless reset in response
 to any further incoming packets.
 
-The draining and closing periods do not apply when a stateless reset
-({{stateless-reset}}) is sent.
-

Closing and draining applies to connection. Stateless reset is sent when there is no connection, so I have no idea how this sentence would apply.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 An endpoint enters a closing period after initiating an immediate close
 ({{immediate-close}}).  While closing, an endpoint MUST NOT send packets unless
 they contain a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame (see {{immediate-close}} for details).  An
 endpoint retains only enough information to generate a packet containing a
 CONNECTION_CLOSE frame and to identify packets as belonging to the connection.
-The connection ID and QUIC version is sufficient information to identify packets
-for a closing connection; an endpoint can discard all other connection state.
-An endpoint MAY retain packet protection keys for incoming packets to allow it
-to read and process a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.
+The source and the destination connection ID and the QUIC version are sufficient

We're talking from the view point of a connection here, so the CID that's necessary to assign a packet is one of the source CIDs (which will be the destination CID of the incoming packet).
You'll need to remember at least one of the destination CIDs for the connection ID in order to repeat the CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in the closing state.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2225,14 +2226,11 @@ connection state.  This results in new packets on the connection being handled
 generically.  For instance, an endpoint MAY send a stateless reset in response
 to any further incoming packets.
 
-The draining and closing periods do not apply when a stateless reset
-({{stateless-reset}}) is sent.
-

That is the whole point of the text. You could expand it to say that this is because there is no connection, I suppose.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 An endpoint enters a closing period after initiating an immediate close
 ({{immediate-close}}).  While closing, an endpoint MUST NOT send packets unless
 they contain a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame (see {{immediate-close}} for details).  An
 endpoint retains only enough information to generate a packet containing a
 CONNECTION_CLOSE frame and to identify packets as belonging to the connection.
-The connection ID and QUIC version is sufficient information to identify packets
-for a closing connection; an endpoint can discard all other connection state.
-An endpoint MAY retain packet protection keys for incoming packets to allow it
-to read and process a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.
+The source and the destination connection ID and the QUIC version are sufficient

I don't know what people view as source and destination when not talking about packets. That's not something we have crisp terms for, but using source and destination here makes that problem worse.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2225,14 +2226,11 @@ connection state.  This results in new packets on the connection being handled
 generically.  For instance, an endpoint MAY send a stateless reset in response
 to any further incoming packets.
 
-The draining and closing periods do not apply when a stateless reset
-({{stateless-reset}}) is sent.
-

As it stands, it sounds like instead of going through draining and closing period, I can choose a shortcut and just send a stateless reset to kill a connection. I have no idea how one would even start the closing period if there was no connection in the first place.

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----==_mimepart_5c344ba273008_362a3ff3f46d45c0483150-- From nobody Mon Jan 7 23:08:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7477C1310FD for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 23:08:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.065 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.065 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qY-1XER_rall for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 23:08:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DCA2C1274D0 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 23:08:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 23:08:51 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546931331; bh=0NBypO8rnjG04mxopplZr3Ijt1a3nx6cZapd6RUEKwQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=YGlG2z3p/aLFmp7AUrtRePG3yvyYwaPpYuXzIg4Yevsi7HPzX/AwFZN10QcCVznL8 d3vZwndclSj0CyGEFFr7gtgKbx7bwVEqXzAb6Ignsd1DWFCfGhOk4z33LbXFAfdti9 E1bp/wgKBPf/MprySX8/8t0cU/TjHr6zcOO5QOOA= From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] editorial changes in the closing section (#2315) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c344c831a09_71673fb4994d45bc88243a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2019 07:08:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c344c831a09_71673fb4994d45bc88243a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit marten-seemann commented on this pull request. > An endpoint enters a closing period after initiating an immediate close ({{immediate-close}}). While closing, an endpoint MUST NOT send packets unless they contain a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame (see {{immediate-close}} for details). An endpoint retains only enough information to generate a packet containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame and to identify packets as belonging to the connection. -The connection ID and QUIC version is sufficient information to identify packets -for a closing connection; an endpoint can discard all other connection state. -An endpoint MAY retain packet protection keys for incoming packets to allow it -to read and process a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame. +The source and the destination connection ID and the QUIC version are sufficient Just talking about "connection ID" is insufficient though, since I need to remember at least the connection ID I'm receiving packets at (which I would have called my source), and one connection ID I'm sending packets to (which I would have called my destination). In addition, depending on how frequently the peer switches to new connection IDs, I maybe should also remember the outstanding connection IDs I've issued to my peer. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2315#discussion_r245894473 ----==_mimepart_5c344c831a09_71673fb4994d45bc88243a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@marten-seemann commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 An endpoint enters a closing period after initiating an immediate close
 ({{immediate-close}}).  While closing, an endpoint MUST NOT send packets unless
 they contain a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame (see {{immediate-close}} for details).  An
 endpoint retains only enough information to generate a packet containing a
 CONNECTION_CLOSE frame and to identify packets as belonging to the connection.
-The connection ID and QUIC version is sufficient information to identify packets
-for a closing connection; an endpoint can discard all other connection state.
-An endpoint MAY retain packet protection keys for incoming packets to allow it
-to read and process a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.
+The source and the destination connection ID and the QUIC version are sufficient

Just talking about "connection ID" is insufficient though, since I need to remember at least the connection ID I'm receiving packets at (which I would have called my source), and one connection ID I'm sending packets to (which I would have called my destination).
In addition, depending on how frequently the peer switches to new connection IDs, I maybe should also remember the outstanding connection IDs I've issued to my peer.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 An endpoint enters a closing period after initiating an immediate close
 ({{immediate-close}}).  While closing, an endpoint MUST NOT send packets unless
 they contain a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame (see {{immediate-close}} for details).  An
 endpoint retains only enough information to generate a packet containing a
 CONNECTION_CLOSE frame and to identify packets as belonging to the connection.
-The connection ID and QUIC version is sufficient information to identify packets
-for a closing connection; an endpoint can discard all other connection state.
-An endpoint MAY retain packet protection keys for incoming packets to allow it
-to read and process a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.
+The source and the destination connection ID and the QUIC version are sufficient

This text is specifically talking about identifying incoming packets, so the only connection ID that is relevant is the inbound one. The final sentence of the paragraph is where the outbound connection ID becomes relevant.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 ~~~
    struct {
-     enum { IPv4(4), IPv6(6), (15) } ipVersion;
-     opaque ipAddress<4..2^8-1>;
+     opaque ipv4Address<0..2^8-1>;
+     opaque ipv6Address<0..2^8-1>;
      uint16 port;

Yes, this seems like an unnecessary constraint. Especially since the mechanism can be used to advertise non-standard ports. Random ports could also be a first line of defence against DoS attacks and they could be used to move endpoints dynamically over time. Forcing two different interfaces to be in sync isn't ideal for that.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 ~~~
    struct {
-     enum { IPv4(4), IPv6(6), (15) } ipVersion;
-     opaque ipAddress<4..2^8-1>;
+     opaque ipv4Address<0..2^8-1>;
+     opaque ipv6Address<0..2^8-1>;
      uint16 port;

This might be a dumb question, but would P2P applications use the feature, considering that the intent is to remap clients connecting to an anycast address to a unicast address?

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My concern was primarily about the clearness of this behavior in the s= pecification text. In transport I find the following which indicates this= but are not explicit.

13.1.1: To limit receiver state or the size of ACK frames, a receiv= er MAY
limit the number of ACK Ranges it sends.

19.3:

Largest Acknowledged: A variable-length integer representing the
largest packet number the peer is acknowledging; this is usually
the largest packet number that the peer has received prior to
generating the ACK frame.

I think there are strong hints, with the above "usually the largest" i= ndicating that it is not always. I would have made this explicit in 19.3,= but then I prefer being more explicit than not. I think it is possible i= nterop issue point. Anywhere else this is more explicit? (I have read git= hub master version)

@mikkelfj I think there are strong points for allowing an AC= K frame to acknowledge only a part of the range between highest received = and confirmed to be have been ACKed. The two main reasons I see.

  • high rate flows suffering an packet loss burst so that the number of = ACK ranges becomes to large to fit a single QUIC packet.
  • Low complexity receivers ACKing a single range of received packets an= d doing this for reordered packets.

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I think there are strong hints, with the above "usually the largest" ind= icating that it is not always. I would have made this explicit in 19.3, but= then I prefer being more explicit than not. I think it is possible interop= issue point. Anywhere else this is more explicit?

As suggested by @martinthomson in #2312,
section 13.2 might be the correct plac= e. I am advocating for describing the design principle the PR, but we might= (or might not) be interested in expanding how ACK could look like.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 ~~~
    struct {
-     enum { IPv4(4), IPv6(6), (15) } ipVersion;
-     opaque ipAddress<4..2^8-1>;
+     opaque ipv4Address<0..2^8-1>;
+     opaque ipv6Address<0..2^8-1>;
      uint16 port;

I think the intent is to deal with anycast, but I could see it being used defensively against attacks.

As for P2P there is a strong case for both ends to use a known fixed port. However, I could also see this as a way to load balance multiple connections to multiple threads or processes.

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----==_mimepart_5c3486e725471_5503fdc63cd45b822757b-- From nobody Tue Jan 8 04:10:13 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38E60130E09 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2019 04:10:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.661 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.661 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6r39wkI2A8aA for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2019 04:10:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A7DA1130DD1 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2019 04:10:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2019 04:10:09 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546949409; bh=SYNFjIC40SRja2TR5vrxezO3O9gSclASTYdaXCXdSEo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=NYkYq4m6h8yw3jYSgCKcjxOArq1zcK3BKWbhnoqRrHr7N8rCSdh2DkzCUgeZOYsPG 88MZVcnVV6j3/wme6SRubnBw3CJ9LVlVT6teHLynPzAkjF4754w+iS3+Nm1Oj6+8rh dFIIzTUcG3PbLb8VTrco5yMVWvRFT43M8Dv7+seo= From: Magnus Westerlund Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Largest acked in ACK frame MUST NOT decrease (#2205) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c34932123e3f_1fb63ff2420d45c0201814"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gloinul X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2019 12:10:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c34932123e3f_1fb63ff2420d45c0201814 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So #2312 results in certain implications, that an ACK could arrive that addresses older state, thus resulting in acknowledging some PNs that was previously unacknowledged. As 13.2 is about retransmissions, I think there are other desing principle aspects of ACKs that probably should be covered, but then earlier in 13.1. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2205#issuecomment-452276722 ----==_mimepart_5c34932123e3f_1fb63ff2420d45c0201814 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

So #2312 results in certain implications, that an ACK co= uld arrive that addresses older state, thus resulting in acknowledging so= me PNs that was previously unacknowledged. As 13.2 is about retransmissio= ns, I think there are other desing principle aspects of ACKs that probabl= y should be covered, but then earlier in 13.1.

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Ok, well #2197 was merged, so this is obsolete.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2830,13 +2830,15 @@ valid frames? -->
 
 ### Sending ACK Frames
 
-<!-- TODO: Re-read this section for flow and redundancy. -->
-
-To avoid creating an indefinite feedback loop, an endpoint MUST NOT send an ACK
-frame in response to a packet containing only ACK or PADDING frames, even if
-there are packet gaps which precede the received packet.  The endpoint MUST
-however acknowledge packets containing only ACK or PADDING frames when sending
-ACK frames in response to other packets.
+ACK frames are sent to acknowledge received packets and indicate the frames
+within them has been processed. An endpoint MUST NOT send more than one packet

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2830,13 +2830,15 @@ valid frames? -->
 
 ### Sending ACK Frames
 
-<!-- TODO: Re-read this section for flow and redundancy. -->
-
-To avoid creating an indefinite feedback loop, an endpoint MUST NOT send an ACK
-frame in response to a packet containing only ACK or PADDING frames, even if
-there are packet gaps which precede the received packet.  The endpoint MUST
-however acknowledge packets containing only ACK or PADDING frames when sending
-ACK frames in response to other packets.
+ACK frames are sent to acknowledge received packets and indicate the frames
+within them has been processed. An endpoint MUST NOT send more than one packet
+containing only an ACK frame per received packet that contains frames other
+than ACK and PADDING frames. Specifically, to avoid creating an indefinite

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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One high-level comment. I believe the intent was to move most of the text about sending ACKs from recovery to transport. Also, if we defined ack-eliciting in transport, I think this PR and some other text would read more clearly. I can do that in a follow up PR.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-The server MUST include the value from the Source Connection ID field of the
-packet it receives in the Destination Connection ID field.  The value for Source
-Connection ID MUST be copied from the Destination Connection ID of the received
-packet, which is initially randomly selected by a client.  Echoing both
-connection IDs gives clients some assurance that the server received the packet
-and that the Version Negotiation packet was not generated by an off-path
-attacker.
+Reserved Bits (R):

The added text here is to add new fields to VN packets. This PR adds ODCIL and Original Destination Connection ID to allow the server to send a new source connection ID (similar to how Retry packets work today). The PR also adds a Number of Supported Versions field to allow future extensibility.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 ~~~
    struct {
-     enum { IPv4(4), IPv6(6), (15) } ipVersion;
-     opaque ipAddress<4..2^8-1>;
+     opaque ipv4Address<0..2^8-1>;
+     opaque ipv6Address<0..2^8-1>;
      uint16 port;

@marten-seemann most implementations (on the operating systems I'm familiar with) will use a single dual-stack listening socket for all address families so unless you go out of your way you will end up with the same port. That's true of HTTP servers and P2P apps.

That said, if there is consensus that separate ports are useful, I'm OK adding separate ports to this PR.

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I've simplified the wire-format using @martinthomson's suggestion with separate port numbers

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Thanks @afrind , good to know.

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Thanks for quicv2-ing this Martin. That seems appropriate.

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I eliminated most one-based indexing in the giant PR that rewrote the = instruction space; Absolute Indices remained 1-based because we needed th= e sentinel value of 0 in Largest Reference to signal no references. In t= hat PR, it was noted that the static table instruction indexed from zero,= but the static table at the time had no entry in the zeroth position.

I'm content with #2111 as fixing that gap and enabling i= t to become consistent.

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@MikeBishop approved this pull request.

This looks reasonable.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  An encoder MUST NOT insert an entry into the dynamic table (or duplicate an
-existing entry) if doing so would evict an entry with unacknowledged references.
-For header blocks that might rely on the newly added entry, the encoder can use
-a literal representation and maybe insert the entry later.
+existing entry) if doing so would evict a blocking entry.  For header blocks
+that would rely on the newly added entry, the encoder can instead use a literal
+representation and maybe insert the entry later.

With the added language, this line feels more ambiguous about which "the entry" is being referenced. (Of course, it was somewhat ambiguous before.) Maybe just drop the "and maybe insert the entry later"?

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Receiving a FIN isn't enough to complete the state machine, though som= e implementations might short-circuit it when sending a STOP_SENDING. Th= e reliability machinery expects to send all data declared lost unless the= re's a RESET_STREAM. I think the language needs to be something like:

...MUST send a RESET_STREAM frame if the stream is in the Ready or Sen= d state. If the stream is in the Data Sent state and any outstanding dat= a is declared lost, an endpoint SHOULD send a RESET_STREAM frame in lieu = of a retransmission.

(This effectively makes a new side state from Data Sent where you're w= aiting to decide if you need to send a RESET_STREAM.)

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= ----==_mimepart_5c34f4aa2e92a_7b063fab472d45c41977db-- From nobody Tue Jan 8 11:13:50 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BE97130F99 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2019 11:13:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uQ6HIfQDcFnw for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2019 11:13:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 95448130FA3 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2019 11:13:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2019 11:13:44 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546974824; bh=AiTdUJJ06hOORH2EDE5VndjUkiPYtEvktwYJtWTj7AE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=D4x87RXZIuFgAeHRRgFHrve88yQFq6usxZhG+zbGY1M2/3GZEWf7hV8aVDvlI5bgi dGgEYKeA2DeGprEwUB1seBQY4c83AZdqmtSxH7qehhszVBOerdmKtMdOopBFMa5uhh TN7csH9FdIAtp3YcoegRrRQxRvSuaPw+KZv/yH7g= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] STOP_SENDING is not depicted in the send FSM (#2283) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c34f6689a543_69973fcda9cd45b8197012"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2019 19:13:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c34f6689a543_69973fcda9cd45b8197012 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @rpaulo, you're exactly correct, but making the wrong inference from it. The direct effect of the STOP_SENDING is the generation of a RESET_STREAM. That itself isn't a stream state transition -- it's the sending of RESET_STREAM that has an effect on the state machine, regardless of why it's sent. Including it in the diagram risks implying that a state change takes place regardless of whether the RESET_STREAM gets sent, and it doesn't. Otherwise stated, only the originator of a stream part can reset it. STOP_SENDING is a request to do so, but doesn't perform the action itself. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2283#issuecomment-452417455 ----==_mimepart_5c34f6689a543_69973fcda9cd45b8197012 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@rpaulo, you're exactly correct, but making the wrong inferen= ce from it. The direct effect of the STOP_SENDING is the generation of a= RESET_STREAM. That itself isn't a stream state transition -- it's the s= ending of RESET_STREAM that has an effect on the state machine, regardles= s of why it's sent. Including it in the diagram risks implying that a st= ate change takes place regardless of whether the RESET_STREAM gets sent, = and it doesn't.

Otherwise stated, only the originator of a stream part can reset it. = STOP_SENDING is a request to do so, but doesn't perform the action itself= .

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= ----==_mimepart_5c34f6689a543_69973fcda9cd45b8197012-- From nobody Tue Jan 8 11:23:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81175130FB7 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2019 11:23:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L9ohFhQdC6of for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2019 11:23:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AEF23130FB5 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2019 11:23:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2019 11:23:50 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546975430; bh=ngYohHzZgq4WxBcWpDhpS5WSoDnBK9VoeckzFrhEJ5I=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=GwPL0xizWzMkeGeivv62T4xjLm3zTxMy+8cqtDcGqwRlK36rLOTm9TGSvXttdMa0G 23nfpSSrGgLtS4q4Qebiv2DEgK8xnrpq/fy4vgmp4rP+gjm5YpWG4kCf+9rRsUjTuL YIQKRDjzDyLqy6cLdZJey5/qZynuSUinTPm2KbBg= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow extra data after self-terminating h3 frames (#2291) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c34f8c6c2a4f_69233fafbcad45c02173ae"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2019 19:23:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c34f8c6c2a4f_69233fafbcad45c02173ae Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (Editor hat off.) If you know that the peer understands the extended fields, then you've created an extension that redefines a frame type by mutual agreement, which is already legal. Just redefine the frame in your extension, possibly with optional fields. If you don't negotiate, the risk is that there are conflicting interpretations of this after-the-fields data. In order to avoid that, you should move your particular interpretation / the extra fields to a new frame type. I don't see a path in which stuffing excess data into a frame without negotiation is a wise choice. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2291#issuecomment-452420720 ----==_mimepart_5c34f8c6c2a4f_69233fafbcad45c02173ae Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

(Editor hat off.)

If you know that the peer understands the extended fields, then you've= created an extension that redefines a frame type by mutual agreement, wh= ich is already legal. Just redefine the frame in your extension, possibl= y with optional fields.

If you don't negotiate, the risk is that there are conflicting interpr= etations of this after-the-fields data. In order to avoid that, you shou= ld move your particular interpretation / the extra fields to a new frame = type.

I don't see a path in which stuffing excess data into a frame without = negotiation is a wise choice.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c34f8c6c2a4f_69233fafbcad45c02173ae-- From nobody Tue Jan 8 11:25:33 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 532FD130FB7 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2019 11:25:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.447 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.447 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ToV3ruUcwNYZ for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2019 11:25:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9395412426E for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2019 11:25:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2019 11:25:28 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546975528; bh=j4Zj3STFOlzTyPVgifMSFEr8bSqdQtFpO/61Nsv/UJE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=SNSIdM54SIt+5c26ruJCXIRfok5EByuzWLZlAhW7iGb128ZsSpsFSLsf3sy3oRQkK TSFxEB1XFDebycJEoRNFBkAM4uxASnvOlYMZQr05wP5MCEjq3FJCKa1yI81moIfLTb 7BvbSFfUgJp6f3jD27NYoCbLujrSQFq/TLLj5amI= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] transport: fix typos and add internal reference (#2290) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c34f928a2e87_2c793fba814d45c41810ae"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2019 19:25:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c34f928a2e87_2c793fba814d45c41810ae Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MikeBishop commented on this pull request. > @@ -2238,7 +2238,7 @@ in the closing state MAY instead choose to discard packets received from a new source address. -## Idle Timeout +## Idle Timeout {#idle-timeout} N.B.: This isn't actually needed, as a heading without an anchor creates a default anchor in exactly this format. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2290#pullrequestreview-190403742 ----==_mimepart_5c34f928a2e87_2c793fba814d45c41810ae Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2238,7 +2238,7 @@ in the closing state MAY instead choose to discard packets received from a new
 source address.
 
 
-## Idle Timeout
+## Idle Timeout {#idle-timeout}

N.B.: This isn't actually needed, as a heading without an anchor creates a default anchor in exactly this format.

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----==_mimepart_5c34f928a2e87_2c793fba814d45c41810ae-- From nobody Tue Jan 8 11:33:49 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25EB9130FD4 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2019 11:33:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LiWheAfvj7iB for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2019 11:33:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3986D130FCF for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2019 11:33:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2019 11:33:45 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546976025; bh=MkcGJoC1NKp3OuqusE77I0vjEuYDgdrXLGSKWswMVQ0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=nMBl8VjhVw6ISh9COCDLKxOuZoFFnzZAwm85Q5jYG3oWVk8dPxfioJSupiJXN6KpB NhmGiFbncSBpnAo6CU11Kf5Ou4WQ8UhJupUv2uH6x0pSYAFqkJcN3FKNWp79UnVLn1 QEZ87G6RZ1cRLWzfcPpVEX/ExjNUP9pTBLW3StMo= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Consider making h3 frame types varint (#2253) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c34fb194d002_35263f955b8d45c010196b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2019 19:33:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c34fb194d002_35263f955b8d45c010196b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't feel strongly either way. You can always request a code point assignment from IANA without publishing an RFC, and experience suggests we're unlikely to run out of code points. (If we do, we revive the EXTENDED frame that contains a sub-type field and a payload defined by the sub-type.) However, there is value in being able to do some initial tests without registering a codepoint. This can be done, as Kazuho suggests, either by advertising a setting or by allowing super-high codepoints for private use. I suspect the technical merits of either will ultimately prove irrelevant and this will wash whichever direction "varint all the things" goes. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2253#issuecomment-452423823 ----==_mimepart_5c34fb194d002_35263f955b8d45c010196b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I don't feel strongly either way. You can always request a code point= assignment from IANA without publishing an RFC, and experience suggests = we're unlikely to run out of code points. (If we do, we revive the EXTEN= DED frame that contains a sub-type field and a payload defined by the sub= -type.) However, there is value in being able to do some initial tests w= ithout registering a codepoint.

This can be done, as Kazuho suggests, either by advertising a setting = or by allowing super-high codepoints for private use.

I suspect the technical merits of either will ultimately prove irrelev= ant and this will wash whichever direction "varint all the things" goes.<= /p>

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= ----==_mimepart_5c34fb194d002_35263f955b8d45c010196b-- From nobody Tue Jan 8 11:36:50 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D950F130FCF for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2019 11:36:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.661 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.661 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HXMLb2CN1H6o for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2019 11:36:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 55EB812426E for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2019 11:36:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2019 11:36:46 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1546976206; bh=uedB2IcKGAW8KpSvhhRJKHV2szGfGC8zp1RTDeRtwys=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=bmknz1uFj1f4ghaWYvX8WQrvclNucQox460rF1SC+B1dK7+g1j+IZWU4exnASqsIN 0LHRE69wkTZYBUCH5gHysAFIdbZHI5Bv3adjgBYDwd/+LgpQzzEqdujYw7OyPX0Qr+ UmAHeSXqS86/cCEh+W9VNPiIIEfikXrn06T5I5tk= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] When can you coalesce connections (#2223) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c34fbce4ed81_33963feb2c2d45b86043b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2019 19:36:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c34fbce4ed81_33963feb2c2d45b86043b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, it's intentional. RFC7540 allows coalescing based on the cert and DNS, because you're connected to the authoritative origin. However, HTTP/3 is never connected on the authoritative endpoint for an http(s?):// URL, so you need something else to tell you that's okay. This could be an Alt-Svc record for that origin delegating to the same UDP port. This could be an ORIGIN-for-H3 frame telling you to throw caution to the wind and trust the cert, if the client thinks that's sensible. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2223#issuecomment-452424782 ----==_mimepart_5c34fbce4ed81_33963feb2c2d45b86043b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes, it's intentional. RFC7540 allows coalescing based on the cert an= d DNS, because you're connected to the authoritative origin. However, HT= TP/3 is never connected on the authoritative endpoint for an http(s?):// = URL, so you need something else to tell you that's okay. This could be a= n Alt-Svc record for that origin delegating to the same UDP port. This c= ould be an ORIGIN-for-H3 frame telling you to throw caution to the wind a= nd trust the cert, if the client thinks that's sensible.

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Yes -- because it's subtly different in the different packets, I changed it to an overarching description of fields which occur in multiple packet types, but indicate which fields are present in each packet type's section.

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This is good. Thanks for doing the hard work here. > -Header Form: - -: The most significant bit (0x80) of byte 0 is set to 0 for the short header. - -Fixed Bit: - -: The next bit (0x40) of byte 0 is set to 1. Packets containing a zero value - for this bit are not valid packets in this version and MUST be discarded. - -Spin Bit (S): - -: The sixth bit (0x20) of byte 0 is the Latency Spin Bit, set as described in - {{!SPIN=I-D.ietf-quic-spin-exp}}. +packet type. While type-specific semantics for this version are described in +the following sections, several long-header packets in this version of QUIC +contain these additional fields: Is there a picture to accompany this, or are you relying on the Initial/Handshake/0-RTT pictures? > -### 0-RTT Packet Numbers {#retry-0rtt-pn} - - +See Sections 2.3 of {{!TLS13}} for a discussion of 0-RTT data and its ```suggestion See Section 2.3 of {{!TLS13}} for a discussion of 0-RTT data and its ``` > +~~~ ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +|1|1| 0 |R R|P P| ```suggestion |1|1| 1 |R R|P P| ``` > -A Handshake packet uses long headers with a type value of 0x2. It is -used to carry acknowledgments and cryptographic handshake messages from the -server and client. +A Handshake packet uses long headers with a type value of 0x2, followed by the +Length and Packet Number fields. The first byte contains the Reserved and +Packet Number Length bits. It is used to carry acknowledgments and +cryptographic handshake messages from the server and client. + +~~~ ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +|1|1| 0 |R R|P P| ```suggestion |1|1| 2 |R R|P P| ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2203#pullrequestreview-190489740 ----==_mimepart_5c3525fe4dfa7_63073fcf112d45b8132371 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@martinthomson approved this pull request.

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This is good. Thanks for doing the hard work here.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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Is there a picture to accompany this, or are you relying on the Initial/= Handshake/0-RTT pictures?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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I'm not convinced that size > offset, but the other changes are a definite improvement. Changing back to offset is easy enough.

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@mikkelfj commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-The final offset is the count of the number of bytes that are transmitted on a
-stream.  For a stream that is reset, the final offset is carried explicitly in a
-RESET_STREAM frame.  Otherwise, the final offset is the offset of the end of the
-data carried in a STREAM frame marked with a FIN flag.
+The final size is the amount of flow control credit that is consumed by a
+stream.  Assuming that every contiguous byte on the stream was sent once, the
+final size is the number of bytes sent.  More generally, this is one higher
+than the largest byte offset sent on the stream.

Too late, but there is missing a "if any".

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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-The final offset is the count of the number of bytes that are transmitted on a
-stream.  For a stream that is reset, the final offset is carried explicitly in a
-RESET_STREAM frame.  Otherwise, the final offset is the offset of the end of the
-data carried in a STREAM frame marked with a FIN flag.
+The final size is the amount of flow control credit that is consumed by a
+stream.  Assuming that every contiguous byte on the stream was sent once, the
+final size is the number of bytes sent.  More generally, this is one higher
+than the largest byte offset sent on the stream.

Never too late. But I'm not following you.

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Thanks for doing this!

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2627,7 +2632,7 @@ packet for later processing and MUST attempt to process the remaining packets.
 
 Retry packets ({{packet-retry}}), Version Negotiation packets
 ({{packet-version}}), and packets with a short header cannot be followed by
-other packets in the same UDP datagram.
+other packets in the same UDP datagram, as they do not contain a Length field.

Minor rearrangement to avoid ambiguity about "they":
"... and packets with a short header do not contain a Length field and cannot be followed by other packets ..."

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -Header Form:
-
-: The most significant bit (0x80) of byte 0 is set to 0 for the short header.
-
-Fixed Bit:
-
-: The next bit (0x40) of byte 0 is set to 1.  Packets containing a zero value
-  for this bit are not valid packets in this version and MUST be discarded.
-
-Spin Bit (S):
-
-: The sixth bit (0x20) of byte 0 is the Latency Spin Bit, set as described in
-  {{!SPIN=I-D.ietf-quic-spin-exp}}.
+packet type.  While type-specific semantics for this version are described in
+the following sections, several long-header packets in this version of QUIC
+contain these additional fields:

Replying on the other pictures.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  acknowledgment of its ACK frames, with the knowledge this could cause the sender
 to unnecessarily retransmit some data.  Standard QUIC {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}
 algorithms declare packets lost after sufficiently newer packets are
 acknowledged.  Therefore, the receiver SHOULD repeatedly acknowledge newly
 received packets in preference to packets received in the past.
 
+An endpoint SHOULD treat receipt of an acknowledgment for a packet it did not
+send as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION, if it is able to detect

Let's do a separate discussion about error codes. I don't think it's necessary here, and if this is an important new error code, let's introduce that in a new issue/PR.

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I think that mentioning both types of protection is fine, but the pare= nthetical was a little strange.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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-  removing protection as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.=0D=

+  The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0.  An endpoint =
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It's both. My suggestion would be:

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nnection error of type=0D
+  packet and header protection as a connection error of type=0D
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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My issue with this general approach is that VN is currently part of th= e invariants. (Or otherwise framed, VN is the only packet defined by QUI= C version zero.) If we want to support versions which aren't mutually in= telligible, it basically has to be version-independent. If you're only w= riting in the Transport document, the PR probably doesn't have the necess= ary contents yet.

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I'm not crazy about just 'Base'. Does 'Base Count' or 'Base Insert Count' read any better to you? > When blocking references are permitted, the encoder uses header block -acknowledgement to identify the Largest Known Received index, as described in +acknowledgement to identify the Known Received Count, as described in s/identify/maintain/ ? > ~~~~~ drawing - Base Index - | - V + Required + Insert + Count Base + | | + V V I would still have these point at the boxes (where the numbers are) rather than the lines. > ~~~~~ drawing - Base Index - | - V + Required + Insert + Count Base + | | + V V Also, not sure we need Required Insert Count in this drawing. The section is describing relative indexing so it's not really adding anything? > -`Largest Reference` identifies the largest absolute dynamic index referenced in -the block. Blocking decoders use the Largest Reference to determine when it is -safe to process the rest of the block. If Largest Reference is greater than -zero, the encoder transforms it as follows before encoding: +#### Required Insert Count {#ric} + +Required Insert Count identifies the state of the dynamic table needed to +process the header block successfully. Blocking decoders use the Required Does 'successfully' add much here? > @@ -923,10 +961,9 @@ header field name matches the header field name of an entry stored in the static table or the dynamic table. If the entry is in the static table, or in the dynamic table with an absolute -index less than or equal to Base Index, this representation starts with the '01' -two-bit pattern. If the entry is in the dynamic table with an absolute index -greater than Base Index, the representation starts with the '0000' four-bit -pattern. +index less than the Base, this representation starts with the '01' two-bit +pattern. If the entry is in the dynamic table with an absolute index greater +than the Base, the representation starts with the '0000' four-bit pattern. Something is off here because it doesn't say what to do if Base and the Absolute Index of the entry are equal. If Base is the Insert Count when encoding started, then we need to use post-base indexing if the entry is greater than or equal to base. > ### Literal Header Field With Post-Base Name Reference -For entries in the dynamic table with an absolute index greater than Base Index, -the header field name is represented using the post-base index of that entry -(see {{post-base-indexing}}) encoded as an integer with a 3-bit prefix. +For entries in the dynamic table with an absolute index greater than or equal to +the Base, the header field name is represented using the post-base index of that or equal? per above. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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I'm not crazy about just 'Base'. Does 'Base Count' or 'Base Insert Count' read any better to you?

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  
 When blocking references are permitted, the encoder uses header block
-acknowledgement to identify the Largest Known Received index, as described in
+acknowledgement to identify the Known Received Count, as described in

s/identify/maintain/ ?

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  
 ~~~~~ drawing
-             Base Index
-                 |
-                 V
+ Required
+  Insert
+  Count      Base
+    |         |
+    V         V

I would still have these point at the boxes (where the numbers are) rather than the lines.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  
 ~~~~~ drawing
-             Base Index
-                 |
-                 V
+ Required
+  Insert
+  Count      Base
+    |         |
+    V         V

Also, not sure we need Required Insert Count in this drawing. The section is describing relative indexing so it's not really adding anything?

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  
-`Largest Reference` identifies the largest absolute dynamic index referenced in
-the block.  Blocking decoders use the Largest Reference to determine when it is
-safe to process the rest of the block.  If Largest Reference is greater than
-zero, the encoder transforms it as follows before encoding:
+#### Required Insert Count {#ric}
+
+Required Insert Count identifies the state of the dynamic table needed to
+process the header block successfully.  Blocking decoders use the Required

Does 'successfully' add much here?

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -923,10 +961,9 @@ header field name matches the header field name of an entry stored in the static
 table or the dynamic table.
 
 If the entry is in the static table, or in the dynamic table with an absolute
-index less than or equal to Base Index, this representation starts with the '01'
-two-bit pattern.  If the entry is in the dynamic table with an absolute index
-greater than Base Index, the representation starts with the '0000' four-bit
-pattern.
+index less than the Base, this representation starts with the '01' two-bit
+pattern.  If the entry is in the dynamic table with an absolute index greater
+than the Base, the representation starts with the '0000' four-bit pattern.

Something is off here because it doesn't say what to do if Base and the Absolute Index of the entry are equal. If Base is the Insert Count when encoding started, then we need to use post-base indexing if the entry is greater than or equal to base.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  
 ### Literal Header Field With Post-Base Name Reference
 
-For entries in the dynamic table with an absolute index greater than Base Index,
-the header field name is represented using the post-base index of that entry
-(see {{post-base-indexing}}) encoded as an integer with a 3-bit prefix.
+For entries in the dynamic table with an absolute index greater than or equal to
+the Base, the header field name is represented using the post-base index of that

or equal? per above.

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I've made some fairly significant changes here along the lines of what @kazuho suggests. I think that this is better, but I expect that this will need some discussion.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  
 ~~~~~ drawing
-             Base Index
-                 |
-                 V
+ Required
+  Insert
+  Count      Base
+    |         |
+    V         V

https://blog.nelhage.com/2015/08/indices-point-between-elements/ is what I'm thinking. That meaning that you can get something like this:

| a | b | c | d |
        ^

c is index 0 normal
b is index 0 post-base
both use the same pointer

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I think that I got all the "the Base" updated.

I don't know if this needs to be a more specific term. Using "count" in the name is somewhat right, but it's a concept that probably doesn't need to be globally unique as it is only used in the scope of decoding header blocks.

I'll leave that to editorial discretion though, that's just my opinion.

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Thank you for writing this down.

It was easy to read. I like the discussing immediate updates first then about delaying permission to restrict the number of keys. LGTM modulo the following comments.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  
-The KEY_PHASE bit allows a recipient to detect a change in keying material
-without necessarily needing to receive the first packet that triggered the
-change.  An endpoint that notices a changed KEY_PHASE bit can update keys and
-decrypt the packet that contains the changed bit.
+The the low bit of the Key Update field (0x04) is the Key Phase bit.  The Key

"The the"

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  
-A packet that triggers a key update could arrive after successfully processing a
-packet with a higher packet number.  This is only possible if there is a key
-compromise and an attack, or if the peer is incorrectly reverting to use of old
-keys.  Because the latter cannot be differentiated from an attack, an endpoint
-MUST immediately terminate the connection if it detects this condition.
+An endpoint SHOULD retain old read keys for a period of no more than three times
+the Probe Timeout (PTO, see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}).  After this period, old read
+keys and their corresponding secrets SHOULD be discarded.  An endpoint MAY keep
+the Key Update Permitted bit set to 0 until it discards old read keys to limit

How about explicitly stating "until it discards the 0-RTT key or the previous 1-RTT read key" here, to be clear that we can have the Key Update Permitted bit set to zero until the 0-RTT key is discarded when 0-RTT is used.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -1011,7 +1016,7 @@ represented as an 8-bit prefix string literal.
 
 QPACK defines two settings which are included in the HTTP/3 SETTINGS frame.
 
-  SETTINGS_HEADER_TABLE_SIZE (0x1):
+  SETTINGS_MAXIMUM_DYNAMIC_TABLE_CAPACITY (0x1):

I think we'd better have either "QPACK" or "HEADER" as part of the name, to avoid confusion. Other than that, the PR looks good to me.

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In reviewing this, I've watered this down to MAY. I don't think that = it is a real defense against off-path DoS attacks, because it's relativel= y easy to construct a packet that will avoid detection until the TLS Fini= shed is validated, but I don't think that it's obviously harmful either.<= /p>

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The KEY_PHASE bit in the short header is used to -indicate whether key updates have occurred. The KEY_PHASE bit is initially set -to 0 and then inverted with each key update. +possible to update the keys used to protect packets. The Key Update field in the +short header are used to indicate when key updates are permitted and when they s/are/is/ > This mechanism replaces the TLS KeyUpdate message. Endpoints MUST NOT send a TLS KeyUpdate message. Endpoints MUST treat the receipt of a TLS KeyUpdate message as a connection error of type 0x10a, equivalent to a fatal TLS alert of unexpected_message (see {{tls-errors}}). -An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one key update at a time. A new key -cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypted a -packet with a matching KEY_PHASE. +{{ex-key-update}} shows a key update process, with keys used identified with @M +and @N. Values in brackets [] indicate the value of Key Update bits. + +~~~ + Initiating Peer Responding Peer + +@M [10] QUIC Packets +. Update to @N +@N [01] QUIC Packets + --------> + QUIC Packets [10] @M Why is this line here? The responding peer should update the keys immediately when receiving the first @N packet. > -The KEY_PHASE bit allows a recipient to detect a change in keying material -without necessarily needing to receive the first packet that triggered the -change. An endpoint that notices a changed KEY_PHASE bit can update keys and -decrypt the packet that contains the changed bit. +The the low bit of the Key Update field (0x04) is the Key Phase bit. The Key +Phase is used to indicate which packet protection keys are in use. The Key Maybe better: "which packet protection key was used to protect this packet." > -If the packet can be decrypted and authenticated using the updated key and IV, -then the keys the endpoint uses for packet protection are also updated. The -next packet sent by the endpoint will then use the new keys. +The endpoint uses the key and IV to protect all subsequent packets, clears the +Key Update Permitted bit, and toggles the value of the low Key Phase bit. This sentence reads better if you turn it around and insert an "updated": "The endpoint clears the Key Update Permitted bit, and toggles the value of the low Key Phase bit, and uses the updated key and IV to protect all subsequent packets." > -If the packet can be decrypted and authenticated using the updated key and IV, -then the keys the endpoint uses for packet protection are also updated. The -next packet sent by the endpoint will then use the new keys. +The endpoint uses the key and IV to protect all subsequent packets, clears the +Key Update Permitted bit, and toggles the value of the low Key Phase bit. + +An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one key update at a time. A new key +cannot be used until the endpoint has successfully processed a packet with a Better: A subsequent key update can only be performed once the endpoint... > -If the packet can be decrypted and authenticated using the updated key and IV, -then the keys the endpoint uses for packet protection are also updated. The -next packet sent by the endpoint will then use the new keys. +The endpoint uses the key and IV to protect all subsequent packets, clears the +Key Update Permitted bit, and toggles the value of the low Key Phase bit. + +An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one key update at a time. A new key +cannot be used until the endpoint has successfully processed a packet with a +matching Key Phase and the Key Update Permitted bit set. Together, these +indicate that the key update was received and acted on. + +Once an endpoint has received and successfully processed packets with the same +Key Phase value, this indicates that the peer has also updated keys. The +endpoint can then set the Key Update Permitted bit to 1 on packets it I'd prefer stronger language here. Ideally, a MUST (although we'd have to rearrange the text a bit to allow deferring this until the old keys are discarded). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2237#pullrequestreview-190578232 ----==_mimepart_5c35934e6edf0_45dc3f8473cd45c42661ea Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1101,75 +1101,153 @@ anticipation of receiving a ClientHello.
 # Key Update
 
 Once the 1-RTT keys are established and the short header is in use, it is
-possible to update the keys. The KEY_PHASE bit in the short header is used to
-indicate whether key updates have occurred. The KEY_PHASE bit is initially set
-to 0 and then inverted with each key update.
+possible to update the keys used to protect packets. The Key Update field in the
+short header are used to indicate when key updates are permitted and when they

s/are/is/

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  
 This mechanism replaces the TLS KeyUpdate message.  Endpoints MUST NOT send a
 TLS KeyUpdate message.  Endpoints MUST treat the receipt of a TLS KeyUpdate
 message as a connection error of type 0x10a, equivalent to a fatal TLS alert of
 unexpected_message (see {{tls-errors}}).
 
-An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one key update at a time.  A new key
-cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypted a
-packet with a matching KEY_PHASE.
+{{ex-key-update}} shows a key update process, with keys used identified with @M
+and @N.  Values in brackets [] indicate the value of Key Update bits.
+
+~~~
+   Initiating Peer                    Responding Peer
+
+@M [10] QUIC Packets
+. Update to @N
+@N [01] QUIC Packets
+                      -------->
+                                     QUIC Packets [10] @M

Why is this line here? The responding peer should update the keys immediately when receiving the first @n packet.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  
-The KEY_PHASE bit allows a recipient to detect a change in keying material
-without necessarily needing to receive the first packet that triggered the
-change.  An endpoint that notices a changed KEY_PHASE bit can update keys and
-decrypt the packet that contains the changed bit.
+The the low bit of the Key Update field (0x04) is the Key Phase bit.  The Key
+Phase is used to indicate which packet protection keys are in use.  The Key

Maybe better: "which packet protection key was used to protect this packet."

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  
-If the packet can be decrypted and authenticated using the updated key and IV,
-then the keys the endpoint uses for packet protection are also updated.  The
-next packet sent by the endpoint will then use the new keys.
+The endpoint uses the key and IV to protect all subsequent packets, clears the
+Key Update Permitted bit, and toggles the value of the low Key Phase bit.

This sentence reads better if you turn it around and insert an "updated": "The endpoint clears the Key Update Permitted bit, and toggles the value of the low Key Phase bit, and uses the updated key and IV to protect all subsequent packets."

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  
-If the packet can be decrypted and authenticated using the updated key and IV,
-then the keys the endpoint uses for packet protection are also updated.  The
-next packet sent by the endpoint will then use the new keys.
+The endpoint uses the key and IV to protect all subsequent packets, clears the
+Key Update Permitted bit, and toggles the value of the low Key Phase bit.
+
+An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one key update at a time.  A new key
+cannot be used until the endpoint has successfully processed a packet with a

Better: A subsequent key update can only be performed once the endpoint...

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  
-If the packet can be decrypted and authenticated using the updated key and IV,
-then the keys the endpoint uses for packet protection are also updated.  The
-next packet sent by the endpoint will then use the new keys.
+The endpoint uses the key and IV to protect all subsequent packets, clears the
+Key Update Permitted bit, and toggles the value of the low Key Phase bit.
+
+An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one key update at a time.  A new key
+cannot be used until the endpoint has successfully processed a packet with a
+matching Key Phase and the Key Update Permitted bit set.  Together, these
+indicate that the key update was received and acted on.
+
+Once an endpoint has received and successfully processed packets with the same
+Key Phase value, this indicates that the peer has also updated keys.  The
+endpoint can then set the Key Update Permitted bit to 1 on packets it

I'd prefer stronger language here. Ideally, a MUST (although we'd have to rearrange the text a bit to allow deferring this until the old keys are discarded).

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WARNING: apparently dangling reference to 5.3.3 of QUIC-RECOVERY
WARNING: apparently dangling reference to 5.3.3 of QUIC-RECOVERY
WARNING: apparently dangling reference to 5.3.1 of QUIC-RECOVERY
WARNING: apparently dangling reference to 5.3.1 of QUIC-RECOVERY

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----==_mimepart_5c35a39c702da_2f443f98b24d45c4616254-- From nobody Tue Jan 8 23:41:47 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A06612F1A2 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2019 23:41:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7H1VR5YvxAeT for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2019 23:41:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 09781128CF3 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2019 23:41:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2019 23:41:41 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547019701; bh=7k/F0szCs9R7T4E5MZxNSS2k7Nwjbr+29LaKg1I+3rQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ymm1xjXLM/NDclwqhHHQDPSe9eompAI3HQstd1dGoljSOWgY2SJ+2yxYzczv2pf3R zHtX3Ra0/ZKh2UPSvjo0gHf1xR3i9jF9/uT7Va0v/r4S3R9wItd7rpYWEMzj3KtFFp 8rbS8ePIXXq3XUF62LhLOQcqTyeDxXd3vmH9fOdY= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] amplification attack using Retry and VN triggered by coalesced Initial packets (#2259) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c35a5b5ba328_a163fc550cd45c44329ab"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2019 07:41:45 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c35a5b5ba328_a163fc550cd45c44329ab Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Is there any case where it a VN / Retry would reasonably be triggered after the first packet in a datagram? I do not think such a case exists, because a QUIC packet belonging to different connections are never coalesced, and because v1 requires every packet of a connection to use the same version number. Therefore, I agree that endpoints can restrict VN / Retry to the first packet. It might be a good idea to clarify that. Though I am not sure if that should be the normative requirement. IMO, the requirement is that a server MUST NOT send too many (possible no more than one) datagram in response. The way you describe is one way of achieving that. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2259#issuecomment-452601070 ----==_mimepart_5c35a5b5ba328_a163fc550cd45c44329ab Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Is there any case where it a VN / Retry would reasonably be triggered = after the first packet in a datagram?

I do not think such a case exists, because a QUIC packet belonging to = different connections are never coalesced, and because v1 requires every = packet of a connection to use the same version number.

Therefore, I agree that endpoints can restrict VN / Retry to the first= packet. It might be a good idea to clarify that.

Though I am not sure if that should be the normative requirement. IMO,= the requirement is that a server MUST NOT send too many (possible no mor= e than one) datagram in response. The way you describe is one way of achi= eving that.

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As discussed in #2302 (comment), I'd like to advocate for introducing a new error code for loss recovery-related errors, e.g. when an unsent packet (in a respective packet number space) is acknowledged.

In general, we have transport error codes to describe the area where an error occurred. For example, we have a STREAM_STATE_ERROR, which is used when the peer sends frames for the wrong stream type or unopened stream types. And we have a FLOW_CONTROL_ERROR, for, obviously, flow-control related errors.

Generating ACKs for multiple packet number spaces is not a trivial thing to do, and it would be of great help for debugging to have a more specific error here than the catch-all PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.

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I think this is best served in the associated error message string.

In production this is a real attack, and less information to the attacker is a good thing.

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If it is normative it would prevent certain reorderings of packets that receivers would otherwise need to consider, however little sense such reorderings make.

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Then why do we have different error codes stream states, flow control = etc.? There are real attacks here as well, and I don't see why they would= be less severe than loss recovery-related attacks. At least we should be= consistent.
If we really say that all errors just give an attacker more information, = let's kill all error codes except NO_ERROR and SERVER_BUSY.

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(I sense irony) MQTT tried to do that, but people were unhappy so they added more error codes, e.g. when incorrectly connecting multiple clients with the same client ID which was an easy mistake.

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More seriously, an attacker could use the error code to find a way to avoid hitting haps in optimistic gaps with high probability. Granted, the attacker could probably also use PROTOCOL_VIOLATION to infer that, once it is confident it has a working implementation.

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I'd like to add an error code for this.

In general, I don't think we have a consistent view on error codes and= error strings at the moment. We removed a lot of error codes around the= time of the Paris interim, many of which could not be sent on the wire a= nd so really needed to be removed. But we haven't added many(if any?) ba= ck and this seems like a good one to add.

But if we think the error code is providing too much information to th= e peer, then error details is almost certainly even more, unless it's alw= ays empty, in which case what's the point?

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The error details can be flagged out in production and used for debugging. Perhaps there should be some guidelines on that.

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Actually, optimistic ACK's could also be defended against by ignoring = the invalid ACK's and silently downgrading the connection to min CWND. Th= at would provide even less feedback to an attacker. But of course an erro= r is needed for debugging. Not sure I would recommend this - but it is an= option.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c35c5d285301_516d3f803a6d45bc12457f-- From nobody Wed Jan 9 02:18:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7720E128766 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2019 02:18:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IFU7GvJ4SiyD for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2019 02:18:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B26C212008A for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2019 02:18:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2019 02:18:29 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547029109; bh=xIsyH6Z7oU/f38EQvMw3ZGh9UfIPU41lplMLo0iq1h4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=MfecADExr99JCO9085GbdfBiI2iJ9UIWg5KsQj5Mb/XGhaHyckaD6BZgPussN6/ia QpJU2tFz8D1JuF5cy5yVYLONpPVGswMIJ5oq0N7z9yFdKt4H+Opzvih5zWJLhCs0GJ MpDp+ES8waSqIsiAr0nwwkb8hdrXZ8SVbnm8aPC8= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] introduce an error code for loss recovery-related errors (#2319) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c35ca759a241_2e1f3f85cd4d45bc74255"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2019 10:18:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c35ca759a241_2e1f3f85cd4d45bc74255 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @marten-seemann > introduce an error code for loss recovery-related errors I like the way you frame the issue. It is my understanding that we have so far assigned an error code for features rather than every one of the specific errors. Calling it "loss recovery-related errors" certainly follows that practice. The question is if there is a group of errors that fall into the category. Do you have something other than ACK containing an invalid packet number in mind? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2319#issuecomment-452644859 ----==_mimepart_5c35ca759a241_2e1f3f85cd4d45bc74255 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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introduce an error code for loss recovery-related errors

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The question is if there is a group of errors that fall into the categ= ory. Do you have something other than ACK containing an invalid packet nu= mber in mind?

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now that the first octet PR landed, spin-exp needs to be updated to reflect the change. this does that.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-The final offset is the count of the number of bytes that are transmitted on a
-stream.  For a stream that is reset, the final offset is carried explicitly in a
-RESET_STREAM frame.  Otherwise, the final offset is the offset of the end of the
-data carried in a STREAM frame marked with a FIN flag.
+The final size is the amount of flow control credit that is consumed by a
+stream.  Assuming that every contiguous byte on the stream was sent once, the
+final size is the number of bytes sent.  More generally, this is one higher
+than the largest byte offset sent on the stream.

The final size can be zero. That is not one larger than largest sent.

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Draft 17 says

The PRIORITY (type=0x02) frame specifies the client-advised priority of a stream.

If I understand H3 Placeholders correctly, the PRIORITY frame would be used to set their priority too. Perhaps we can say:

The PRIORITY (type=0x02) frame specifies the client-advised priority of a stream or placeholder.

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To me it seems that the current text is more accurate.

While a PRIORITY frame might use a placeholder to designate the target, what is actually prioritized is the stream that carries the response. The transmission of the placeholder itself is never prioritized.

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----==_mimepart_5c35d25682ba_25063ff14f0d45b42007af-- From nobody Wed Jan 9 02:56:09 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B09B12F1A6 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2019 02:56:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.447 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.447 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JJAoL6zW4Mtn for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2019 02:56:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D9295128766 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2019 02:56:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2019 02:56:05 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547031365; bh=piaYD7ig9EQ5HBhHCpK5OQHtEfPoOBdHqj03b/d7RsQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ch2aOao0Z4gcwAQPd77JsLTDV9NDT9VyX6+kJ2sIDkmUh3CNuTttH/i15Qvfc1165 TNRXAWSkVmHq8i5mHtVjINEU3Lx6MEISlRiSX1KhN+vXRrcDpK/HQusY/Vr3gsQeQR 3hzBLpNOsogqAiQBCHTWKx8gUYr0qzeM5IcBlmaA= From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] "PRIORITY frame expresses priority of a stream" (#2321) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c35d34582909_54f33f984aed45b4519431"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2019 10:56:08 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c35d34582909_54f33f984aed45b4519431 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit But the PRIORITY frame contains the Prioritized Element ID field, that allows us to set the priority of Placeholder type. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2321#issuecomment-452655952 ----==_mimepart_5c35d34582909_54f33f984aed45b4519431 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

But the PRIORITY frame contains the Prioritized Element ID field, that allows us to set the priority of Placeholder type.

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Yeah, my view is that it is an act of prioritizing a stream by specifying a placeholder ID that maps to the stream. Section 5.3 talks about prioritizing "streams".

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----==_mimepart_5c35d4e45e6e3_72913f876ded45c063457-- From nobody Wed Jan 9 03:08:51 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA3A3130E18 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2019 03:08:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.661 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.661 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pxm4sqJI6i68 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2019 03:08:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B840130DEB for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2019 03:08:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2019 03:08:38 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547032118; bh=WclZYzMu6fhBp/GQWrj92yFSfFm1E7JSonqkZlysUyg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=GqeJKqzd3wSTZYOFHsj4fhB32mQsjb4XeKLCBiWD6qbb6gv52STMVPCOb+35rBA3g tsJwUypQv0Oi67iX1STFPBPQMPOx3X/3i7P4CCVpyLiyubF8uwnbJazz0O0sMWo9Vm yMTu+GIduxs3mRptiyKyYSQygw1ZxYmTvUkrgpOs= From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] "PRIORITY frame expresses priority of a stream" (#2321) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c35d63667ec3_39f3f964d8d45b4635647"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2019 11:08:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c35d63667ec3_39f3f964d8d45b4635647 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's a good observation, so I'd go further say that IMO the textual description of H3 prioritisation is not completely aligned the protocol mechanisms. Cue @MikeBishop to tell me I am completely off the mark :) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2321#issuecomment-452659360 ----==_mimepart_5c35d63667ec3_39f3f964d8d45b4635647 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

That's a good observation, so I'd go further say that IMO the textual description of H3 prioritisation is not completely aligned the protocol mechanisms. Cue @MikeBishop to tell me I am completely off the mark :)

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Also, the table of prioritized element types in section 4.2.3 seems to be duplicated

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----==_mimepart_5c35d775a5717_1573f83af4d45b44941a6-- From nobody Wed Jan 9 05:20:35 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 338671228B7 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2019 05:20:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.653 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.653 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rd2jcuJCOy3X for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2019 05:20:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3145712426E for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2019 05:20:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2019 05:20:28 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547040028; bh=e+oTDBgpLbhpTJUKa2bw6jgvWbVhOZznQmV6Nlahen0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=gogycBmvqvnGgsANN8zCfhLqh49V+eTlPWin8nlh7szRAD92JnYkV+60p699LZ1CA a/TjUIInp8prv9dW2Mb8QCgzx7Gkyt3xXyk1HmREO8Y/hSlv5sqT836Elj8lQMgjsu zidULcBVaMqs46IQjc8ac+kpUybhRNqR78+X4lTo= From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] introduce an error code for loss recovery-related errors (#2319) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c35f51c9fbf5_1a203fa80fcd45b4186355"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2019 13:20:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c35f51c9fbf5_1a203fa80fcd45b4186355 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The question is if there is a group of errors that fall into the category. Do you have something other than ACK containing an invalid packet number in mind? I can think of three different cases why an ACK would contain an invalid packet number: - the obvious case: you ack a too high packet number, which wasn't sent yet - you ack in the wrong packet number space. This will most likely look like you acked a packet that the peer didn't send (in that packet number space) - I assume that most implementations will sooner or later implement skipping of packet numbers as a mitigation of the optimistic ack attack. This error would occur when you ack a packet number that was intentionally skipped. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2319#issuecomment-452693876 ----==_mimepart_5c35f51c9fbf5_1a203fa80fcd45b4186355 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The question is if there is a group of errors that fall into the categ= ory. Do you have something other than ACK containing an invalid packet nu= mber in mind?

I can think of three different cases why an ACK would contain an inval= id packet number:

  • the obvious case: you ack a too high packet number, which wasn't sent= yet
  • you ack in the wrong packet number space. This will most likely look = like you acked a packet that the peer didn't send (in that packet number = space)
  • I assume that most implementations will sooner or later implement ski= pping of packet numbers as a mitigation of the optimistic ack attack. Thi= s error would occur when you ack a packet number that was intentionally s= kipped.

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The two tables in section 4.2.3 are slightly different.

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Correct, I just independently spotted that. Its logical but a bit annoying

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3402,9 +3402,10 @@ Reserved Bits (R):
 
 : The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x0c) of byte 0 are reserved.  These
   bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of {{QUIC-TLS}}).
-  The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0.  An endpoint MUST
-  treat receipt of a packet that has a non-zero value for these bits after
-  removing protection as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.
+  The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0.  An endpoint MUST treat
+  receipt of a packet that has a non-zero value for these bits after removing
+  packet (not just header) protection as a connection error of type

@martinthomson 's suggestion is good, but I'm confused why you need to remove packet protection to know the bits are not set to 0. Isn't removing header protection sufficient?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1000,6 +999,17 @@ The recovery period limits congestion window reduction to once per round trip.
 During recovery, the congestion window remains unchanged irrespective of new
 losses or increases in the ECN-CE counter.
 
+## Loss of protected packets during the handshake
+
+0RTT and 1RTT packets sent prior to handshake completion can arrive before
+the peer has keys to unprotect them.  In those cases, the peer may decide
+not to buffer the packets.  This will cause the packets to never be
+acknowledged and eventually declared lost, despite being delivered to
+the peer.  If the server rejects 0RTT, then the congestion controller

Done in the other PR.

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----==_mimepart_5c36065cae662_2d703fdccbcd45b482072f-- From nobody Wed Jan 9 06:45:35 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D6D4126C7E for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2019 06:45:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.652 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.652 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id frDfubPyJV2l for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2019 06:45:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 44B961228B7 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2019 06:45:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2019 06:45:29 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547045129; bh=KzW5St+8ui0NEh/faJBgoLma57gCa6dRgsSR/CWDKGg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=FEqkgD0y/wd9Bx16jYychk9RS3x8K4WznMV2GQpzR3GZPzkaCTm5o2+14m8TBXwq3 L/IdUv5+7AALU/+9WG4aRFBxloNgrhXLiSzmvUgCnbR9SQJLYKu/IPPYhs8x4NDtGL XBmO/pPSG56dpckGJsL7O5y8OjXOOkYHdkB7Wce8= From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Prioritization edits (#2322) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c360909de0b9_78893f8cc1ad45c0656466"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2019 14:45:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c360909de0b9_78893f8cc1ad45c0656466 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fixes #2321 Maybe takes things too far, please discuss. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2322 -- Commit Summary -- * Prioritization edits -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (59) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2322.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2322.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2322 ----==_mimepart_5c360909de0b9_78893f8cc1ad45c0656466 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Fixes #2321

Maybe takes things too far, please discuss.

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=0D > *@ianswett* commented on this pull request.
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=0D > In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md
=0D > <https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2280#discussion_r2463= 92825>:
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=0D > > @@ -3402,9 +3402,10 @@ Reserved Bits (R):
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=0D > : The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x0c) of byte 0 are reser= ved. These
=0D > bits are protected using header protection (see Section 5.4 of {{= QUIC-TLS}}).
=0D > - The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0. An endp= oint MUST
=0D > - treat receipt of a packet that has a non-zero value for these bit= s after
=0D > - removing protection as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLAT= ION.
=0D > + The value included prior to protection MUST be set to 0. An endp= oint MUST treat
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
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    struct {
-     enum { IPv4(4), IPv6(6), (15) } ipVersion;
-     opaque ipAddress<4..2^8-1>;
+     opaque ipv4Address<0..2^8-1>;
+     opaque ipv6Address<0..2^8-1>;
      uint16 port;

I'd err on the side of making it as generic as possible: that is, separate ports.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3420,7 +3420,19 @@ Long Packet Type (T):
 
 Type-Specific Bits (X):
 
-: The lower four bits (those with a mask of 0x0f) of byte 0 are type-specific.
+: The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x0c) of byte 0 are reserved.  These

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Thanks @martinduke I missed his comment. That is totally reasonable, but also not obvious. But it's in the TLS text, so I hopefully everyone reads that?

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I've mentioned this previously that this might be good to do, but I also have mixed feelings now because of the reasons @nibanks mentioned about pre-reserving the length. It would seem nasty to work around that.

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@MikeBishop commented on this pull request.

I think the rearrangement is good, but the most awkward paragraph is only moved, not changed. If you want to clean up this section, maybe try to untangle the paragraph that's now at 1075-1080?

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
 Due to reordering between streams, an element can also be prioritized which is
 not yet in the tree. Such elements are added to the tree with the requested
 priority.
 
+

Extra blank line here.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
 Due to reordering between streams, an element can also be prioritized which is
 not yet in the tree. Such elements are added to the tree with the requested
 priority.
 
+
+In all cases, elements are assigned an initial weight of 16 unless a PRIORITY
+frame begins the stream.

That's only possible for request streams.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
 Due to reordering between streams, an element can also be prioritized which is
 not yet in the tree. Such elements are added to the tree with the requested
 priority.
 
+
+In all cases, elements are assigned an initial weight of 16 unless a PRIORITY
+frame begins the stream.
+
+When a client request is first sent, its parent and weight are determined by the
+PRIORITY frame (see {{frame-priority}}) which begins the stream, if present.
+Otherwise, the element is dependent on the root of the priority tree. A request 
+stream dependent upon another request stream expresses the preference that the
+latter stream (the "parent" request) be allocated resources before the former
+stream (the "dependent" request).

This paragraph feels like the thing that needs improvement in this section.

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Yeah, there was originally one table and I had to split it to accommodate the current design. If anyone sees an elegant way to recombine them, I'm fully supportive.

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Fixes #2092.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
 Due to reordering between streams, an element can also be prioritized which is
 not yet in the tree. Such elements are added to the tree with the requested
 priority.
 
+
+In all cases, elements are assigned an initial weight of 16 unless a PRIORITY
+frame begins the stream.

That's what the old text said, I just moved it.

Should I adjust the text somehow to make things clearer?

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@LPardue commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
 Due to reordering between streams, an element can also be prioritized which is
 not yet in the tree. Such elements are added to the tree with the requested
 priority.
 
+
+In all cases, elements are assigned an initial weight of 16 unless a PRIORITY
+frame begins the stream.
+
+When a client request is first sent, its parent and weight are determined by the
+PRIORITY frame (see {{frame-priority}}) which begins the stream, if present.
+Otherwise, the element is dependent on the root of the priority tree. A request 
+stream dependent upon another request stream expresses the preference that the
+latter stream (the "parent" request) be allocated resources before the former
+stream (the "dependent" request).

This is almost a worked example that helps people familiar with H2's priority scheme.

Will see if I get any inspiration for a fix

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Fixes #2106.

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  • Introduce HTTP_REQUEST_REJECTED

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Fixes #1920.

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Generalizes HTTP_PUSH_LIMIT_EXCEEDED to HTTP_LIMIT_EXCEEDED and mandates use of that error code where a PRIORITY frame attempts to prioritize a frame the client isn't permitted to open yet. This has the effect of bounding priority tree state to requests the client could initiate (though might not have yet).

Fixes #2144.

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  • Client can't prioritize streams it can't open
  • Update dangling reference to HTTP_PUSH_LIMIT_EXCEEDED

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  client and server to agree on which requests were accepted prior to the
 connection shutdown.  This identifier MAY be lower than the stream limit
 identified by a QUIC MAX_STREAM_ID frame, and MAY be zero if no requests were
 processed.  Servers SHOULD NOT increase the QUIC MAX_STREAM_ID limit after
 sending a GOAWAY frame.
 
+<<<<<<< 64585a30a8ddc7a766080499cd44cd5d4206fe1d

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
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    struct {
-     enum { IPv4(4), IPv6(6), (15) } ipVersion;
-     opaque ipAddress<4..2^8-1>;
+     opaque ipv4Address<0..2^8-1>;
+     opaque ipv6Address<0..2^8-1>;
      uint16 port;

The latest version has separate ports, see the diff.

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Out of curiosity, why are we validating these bits in the first place? C= an't we just say receivers MUST ignore them? That removes timing attacks an= d also allows for future extensibility. I get that these are not inside the= full encryption boundary but the associated data + header protection bound= ary should be good enough to prevent middleboxes from looking at or messing= with these bits.

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@LPardue My bad. I was confused. I now understand the issue and think that the PR will provide us the necessary fixes.

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This change sounds good to me, but to make sure I understand: is the onl= y purpose of this change to split HTTP_REQUEST_CANCELLED in two; client to = server stays HTTP_REQUEST_CANCELLED and server to client now becomes HTTP_R= EQUEST_REJECTED? And is the goal to add clarity when parsing connection log= s later?

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Ignore the loss of Handshake, 0-RTT, and 1-RTT packets if the peer doesn't have the keys to process them.

Also unifies the text on discarding keys and no longer implies that 0-RTT has it's own packet number space.

Fixes #1967 Replaces #2028

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@DavidSchinazi, basically. In the previous text, CANC= ELLED had specific semantics when sent server->client. However, with = the change to make RESET_STREAM reflect back the error code in STOP_SENDI= NG, the client->server STOP_SENDING(CANCELLED) would provoke a RESET_S= TREAM(CANCELLED) in the server->client direction with that error code = that didn't necessarily match those semantics.

Hence the split -- one code has specific semantics when sent by a serv= er, and clients are instructed to use the other code.

(I would prohibit clients from sending it, but if the server sends a S= TOP_SENDING, the client would reflect it back and violate the prohibition= , so....)

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The -next packet sent by the endpoint will then use the new keys. +The endpoint uses the key and IV to protect all subsequent packets, clears the +Key Update Permitted bit, and toggles the value of the low Key Phase bit. + +An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one key update at a time. A new key +cannot be used until the endpoint has successfully processed a packet with a +matching Key Phase and the Key Update Permitted bit set. Together, these +indicate that the key update was received and acted on. + +Once an endpoint has received and successfully processed packets with the same +Key Phase value, this indicates that the peer has also updated keys. The +endpoint can then set the Key Update Permitted bit to 1 on packets it Yeah, I struggled with this too. I want people to enable key updates, but the fact is that we can't really enforce it. If we didn't want to allow peers to minimize the number of active keys, you could allow endpoints to punish them if they acknowledged a packet with a matching key phase in a packet that didn't include the Key Update Permitted bit. I will try to work in a SHOULD somehow. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2237#discussion_r246557796 ----==_mimepart_5c366bbb83fe7_5ffd3fbf72ed45c437954b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  
-If the packet can be decrypted and authenticated using the updated key and IV,
-then the keys the endpoint uses for packet protection are also updated.  The
-next packet sent by the endpoint will then use the new keys.
+The endpoint uses the key and IV to protect all subsequent packets, clears the
+Key Update Permitted bit, and toggles the value of the low Key Phase bit.
+
+An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one key update at a time.  A new key
+cannot be used until the endpoint has successfully processed a packet with a
+matching Key Phase and the Key Update Permitted bit set.  Together, these
+indicate that the key update was received and acted on.
+
+Once an endpoint has received and successfully processed packets with the same
+Key Phase value, this indicates that the peer has also updated keys.  The
+endpoint can then set the Key Update Permitted bit to 1 on packets it

Yeah, I struggled with this too. I want people to enable key updates, but the fact is that we can't really enforce it. If we didn't want to allow peers to minimize the number of active keys, you could allow endpoints to punish them if they acknowledged a packet with a matching key phase in a packet that didn't include the Key Update Permitted bit. I will try to work in a SHOULD somehow.

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A few suggestions, but this is a good change.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -963,20 +963,20 @@ for each header field.
 
 ### Request Cancellation
 
-Either client or server can cancel requests by aborting the stream (QUIC
-RESET_STREAM and/or STOP_SENDING frames, as appropriate) with an error code of
+Clients can cancel requests by aborting the stream (QUIC RESET_STREAM and/or
+STOP_SENDING frames, as appropriate) with an error code of
 HTTP_REQUEST_CANCELLED ({{http-error-codes}}).  When the client cancels a
 response, it indicates that this response is no longer of interest.
 Implementations SHOULD cancel requests by aborting both directions of a stream.

Missing from either this paragraph or the next: A server that receives a STOP_SENDING with the HTTP_REQUEST_CANCELLED error code MAY use the HTTP_REQUEST_REJECTED error code in response to indicate that no processing occurred.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1867,8 +1871,11 @@ FRAME_SIZE_ERROR (0x6):
 : HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME error codes defined in {{http-error-codes}}.
 
 REFUSED_STREAM (0x7):
-: Not applicable, since QUIC handles stream management.  Would provoke a
-  STREAM_ID_ERROR from the QUIC layer.
+: When used to indicate that a request was not processed, HTTP_REQUEST_REJECTED
+  in {{http-error-codes}}.
+: When used to indicate that an active stream limit was exceeded, not applicable

I had a little trouble parsing this bit. Maybe reorder the sentences:

HTTP_REQUEST_REJECTED (in {{http-error-codes}}) is used to indicate when requests were not processed. Otherwise, not applicable because QUIC handles stream management. A STREAM_ID_ERROR at the QUIC layer is used for streams that are improperly opened.

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An endpoint that notices a changed KEY_PHASE bit can update keys and -decrypt the packet that contains the changed bit. +The low bit of the Key Update field (0x04) is the Key Phase bit. The Key Phase +is used to indicate which packet protection keys are used to protect the packet. +The Key Phase bit is initially set to 0 for the first set of 1-RTT packets. The +Key Phase is toggled to signal each key update. + +The Key Phase bit allows a recipient to detect a change in keying material +without needing to receive the first packet that triggered the change. An +endpoint that notices a changed Key Phase updates keys and decrypts the packet +that contains the changed value. + +The high bit of the Key Update field (0x08) is the Key Update Permitted bit. +Endpoints set this value to 0 until they successfully process a packet with keys As written, this seems to imply that Endpoints must set the value to 1 when they successfully process a packet. I agree with Ian that there will be cases where this is set to 0 and never changed (e.g. when the expected flow size is short). Perhaps this would work instead: "The high bit of the Key Update field (0x08) is the Key Update Permitted bit. Endpoints may set this value to 0 for any reason, forbidding Key Updates. Endpoint MUST NOT set this value to 1 until they successfully process a packet the largest received packet number with keys from the same key phase as they are using. They MAY set it to 1 to indicate key update is permitted at any time after that." -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2237#pullrequestreview-190968792 ----==_mimepart_5c3674c7ab960_4a823f95bb0d45b8686915 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@hardie commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> -The KEY_PHASE bit allows a recipient to detect a change in keying material
-without necessarily needing to receive the first packet that triggered the
-change.  An endpoint that notices a changed KEY_PHASE bit can update keys and
-decrypt the packet that contains the changed bit.
+The low bit of the Key Update field (0x04) is the Key Phase bit.  The Key Phase
+is used to indicate which packet protection keys are used to protect the packet.
+The Key Phase bit is initially set to 0 for the first set of 1-RTT packets.  The
+Key Phase is toggled to signal each key update.
+
+The Key Phase bit allows a recipient to detect a change in keying material
+without needing to receive the first packet that triggered the change.  An
+endpoint that notices a changed Key Phase updates keys and decrypts the packet
+that contains the changed value.
+
+The high bit of the Key Update field (0x08) is the Key Update Permitted bit.
+Endpoints set this value to 0 until they successfully process a packet with keys

As written, this seems to imply that Endpoints must set the value to 1 when they successfully process a packet. I agree with Ian that there will be cases where this is set to 0 and never changed (e.g. when the expected flow size is short). Perhaps this would work instead:

"The high bit of the Key Update field (0x08) is the Key Update Permitted bit. Endpoints may set this value to 0 for any reason, forbidding Key Updates. Endpoint MUST NOT set this value to 1 until they successfully process a packet the largest received packet number with keys from the same key phase as they are using. They MAY set it to 1 to indicate key update is permitted at any time after that."

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1202,13 +1202,14 @@ will need to open a new connection for new requests if the existing connection
 has been idle for longer than the server's advertised idle timeout, and SHOULD
 do so if approaching the idle timeout.
 
-HTTP clients are expected to use QUIC PING frames to keep connections open while
-there are responses outstanding for requests or server pushes. If the client is
-not expecting a response from the server, allowing an idle connection to time
-out is preferred over expending effort maintaining a connection that might not
-be needed.  A gateway MAY use PING to maintain connections in anticipation of
-need rather than incur the latency cost of connection establishment to servers.
-Servers SHOULD NOT use PING frames to keep a connection open.
+HTTP clients are expected to request that the transport keep connections open
+while there are responses outstanding for requests or server pushes.  This might
+involve QUIC PING frames being generated by the transport implementation. If the

Do you want to cite Section 19.2 of transport here? That might be better than this "This might involve" sentence, which strikes me as very passive.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1202,13 +1202,14 @@ will need to open a new connection for new requests if the existing connection
 has been idle for longer than the server's advertised idle timeout, and SHOULD
 do so if approaching the idle timeout.
 
-HTTP clients are expected to use QUIC PING frames to keep connections open while
-there are responses outstanding for requests or server pushes. If the client is
-not expecting a response from the server, allowing an idle connection to time
-out is preferred over expending effort maintaining a connection that might not
-be needed.  A gateway MAY use PING to maintain connections in anticipation of
-need rather than incur the latency cost of connection establishment to servers.
-Servers SHOULD NOT use PING frames to keep a connection open.
+HTTP clients are expected to request that the transport keep connections open
+while there are responses outstanding for requests or server pushes.  This might
+involve QUIC PING frames being generated by the transport implementation. If the

My main thought in the passive phrasing is that the transport will know whether activity on other streams makes a PING necessary or not at any given time. But I agree, a ref to 19.2 in transport is probably the easiest way to punt appropriately.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1385,8 +1385,9 @@ HTTP_VERSION_FALLBACK (0x09):
 HTTP_WRONG_STREAM (0x0A):
 : A frame was received on a stream where it is not permitted.
 
-HTTP_PUSH_LIMIT_EXCEEDED (0x0B):
-: A Push ID greater than the current maximum Push ID was referenced.
+HTTP_LIMIT_EXCEEDED (0x0B):
+: An identifier greater than the current maximum for that identifier was
+  referenced.

I think that you can (and should) list the types of identifiers this applies to. I assume that this is limited to push IDs and priority placeholders.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
-A PRIORITY frame that references a non-existent Push ID or a Placeholder ID
-greater than the server's limit MUST be treated as an HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME
-error.
+A PRIORITY frame that references a non-existent Push ID, a Placeholder ID
+greater than the server's limit, or a Stream ID the client is not permitted to

For stream IDs, is this "not yet permitted"? The previous paragraph establishes the use of HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME for the wrong type of stream.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1385,8 +1385,9 @@ HTTP_VERSION_FALLBACK (0x09):
 HTTP_WRONG_STREAM (0x0A):
 : A frame was received on a stream where it is not permitted.
 
-HTTP_PUSH_LIMIT_EXCEEDED (0x0B):
-: A Push ID greater than the current maximum Push ID was referenced.
+HTTP_LIMIT_EXCEEDED (0x0B):
+: An identifier greater than the current maximum for that identifier was
+  referenced.

And stream IDs.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>      +---+-----+-----+-----+-------+
-    | n | n-1 | n-2 | ... |  d+1  |  Absolute Index
+    | n | n-1 | n-2 | ... |   d   |  Absolute Index

If the absolute index is 0 based, then shouldn't the most recent entry be 'n - 1'?. Eg: if Insert Count is 1 then the entry's absolute index is 0.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>      +---+-----+-----+-----+-----+
-    | n | n-1 | n-2 | ... | d+1 |  Absolute Index
+    | n | n-1 | n-2 | ... |  d  |  Absolute Index

Same here

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -708,17 +726,17 @@ become blocked, as described in {{state-synchronization}}.
 {:#fig-size-sync title="Table State Synchronize"}

The above table still uses 'Insert Count', which might confuse some readers now that we've defined this term above to mean something else. What this instruction sends is a Insert Count Delta, or something?

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -708,17 +726,17 @@ become blocked, as described in {{state-synchronization}}.
 {:#fig-size-sync title="Table State Synchronize"}

Yep, that's a good idea, though it pushes the limits of what fits in the little box :) I wanted Insert Count Increment, but that very much doesn't fit.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -708,17 +726,17 @@ become blocked, as described in {{state-synchronization}}.
 {:#fig-size-sync title="Table State Synchronize"}

Incidentally, does this work? https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/insert-count...insert-count-increment?expand=1

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -708,17 +726,17 @@ become blocked, as described in {{state-synchronization}}.
 {:#fig-size-sync title="Table State Synchronize"}

Insert Count Increment is much more specific than Table State Synchronize. The description is good. Sadly, it doesn't have the same ring to it, but I suppose clarity is more important. I don't really like Delta, Increment is better. We could also keep TSS and just put Increment or IC Increment or something in the little box.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -723,7 +723,7 @@ with its 0-RTT data.
 ### PUSH_PROMISE {#frame-push-promise}
 
 The PUSH_PROMISE frame (type=0x05) is used to carry a promised request header
-set from server to client, as in HTTP/2.
+set from server to client on a request stream, as in HTTP/2.

Isn't the use of a PUSH_PROMISE frame also possible on a Push Stream?

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -708,17 +726,17 @@ become blocked, as described in {{state-synchronization}}.
 {:#fig-size-sync title="Table State Synchronize"}

"Synchronize" is fancy word, yeah :) But accurate >> fancy. I'll make the proposed change.

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@marten-seemann Thank you for elaborating. To me it s= ounds that they would look like one symptom to the reciever; i.e. an inva= lid PN in ACK.

I was wondering if there is a intent to use the error code for other s= ymptoms, because it would imply that there are group of errors that might= be categorized as a group (based on my understanding that we assign erro= r codes to each feature or category).

Though I am not strongly opposed to having an error code for this case= , I fear if having an error code for this opens can of worms (i.e. "we ha= ve error code for this, so why not have another error code for X"). There= fore am trying to see what the line we would be trying to hold is.

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In order for the client to be able to acknowledge packets sent with Handshake encryption level, it needs to have access to the Handshake write key right after processing the ServerHello.

https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8446#appendix-A.1 states that the Handshake write key is exported after receiving the server's Finished message, which would make loss recovery of Handshake packets impossible.

I found this fact non-obvious, and I think it should be documented in some way that we're deviating from the schedule in which a normal TLS 1.3 implementation would make new keys available.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -723,7 +723,7 @@ with its 0-RTT data.
 ### PUSH_PROMISE {#frame-push-promise}
 
 The PUSH_PROMISE frame (type=0x05) is used to carry a promised request header
-set from server to client, as in HTTP/2.
+set from server to client on a request stream, as in HTTP/2.

I don't believe so. I guess it could, but then you would have to propagate the push to all the streams that referenced that push with PUSH_PROMISE/DUPLICATE_PUSH.

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I had the same realization a while ago, but failed to capture that in = the spec. It's a fairly important point that - if ignored - would lead t= o bad outcomes, because a good part of the time you can get away with not= exporting it early. You mostly just get transient errors... until the s= erver can't fit its certificate into 3 packets, then you get a hard fail.=

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -723,7 +723,7 @@ with its 0-RTT data.
 ### PUSH_PROMISE {#frame-push-promise}
 
 The PUSH_PROMISE frame (type=0x05) is used to carry a promised request header
-set from server to client, as in HTTP/2.
+set from server to client on a request stream, as in HTTP/2.

Thank you for the clarification. I think having the restriction is fine, because now I realize that RFC 7540 has the same restriction.

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Was this addressed in #1939? The comment there says "part of" this only. @ianswett, what is missing?

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A comment on this text: we should be prioritizing requests and maybe pushes, not streams.

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That's a fair point I'll see if I can incorporate that into the PR

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@britram commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md:

>   0                   1                   2                   3
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----==_mimepart_5c37151c23a7f_4abe3fbbc64d45c4349656-- From nobody Thu Jan 10 03:12:53 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5825C1271FF for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2019 03:12:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.007 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.007 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FGKac9IvPE65 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2019 03:12:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C862130DC4 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2019 03:12:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 03:12:48 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547118768; bh=H5wpyN5pPOm9LLhNdbky3gI5X00yy9N9J3W5Up6LHEY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=1o5jgqeB2ry1Kvl/7zVfpTgTDPQMJZZGfH/D5yEfUewwg9Ks/lzOAARjt99VwXSIc d6Dvlb+iZU8TclcuzLryvW2Ju1Wu1CuBhHNVAG6WWY1GvIkzahAm8y3onIzCA/n7l0 +aclZMlpgM00XGRtNyCtFnmyEFXG++rtnURRbcDo= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Recovery "what to send section"? / Pseudo code issue (#1724) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c3728b0204db_2f193f87bb6d45c0454997"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 11:12:51 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c3728b0204db_2f193f87bb6d45c0454997 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Between that PR an some subsequent cleanups, I think we're in good shape. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1724#issuecomment-453059581 ----==_mimepart_5c3728b0204db_2f193f87bb6d45c0454997 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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@kazuho Given these are within the encrypted envelope, if one s= ide thinks they mean something and the other doesn't or vice versa, there= are sure to be problems, so any usage would have to be negotiated as you= say.

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I don't have a strong opinion here, but I'm also not seeing much reaso= n to specify what the values need to be and saying they can be anything s= eems simpler. Saying they have to be 0 invites people to short-cut the f= ull decryption and drop packets that have other values immediately. To b= e clear, I probably would have done that if I hadn't read this issue.

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Saying they have to be 0 invites people to short-cut the full decryption= and drop packets that have other values immediately.

Honestly speaking, I am not sure short-cutting in case the zero check fa= ils would lead to side channel vulnerability, considering the fact that a f= ailed check immediately ends up in connection termination. The only informa= tion an attacker can obtain is that the sender failed to set the bits corre= ctly.

Anyways, I do not think that removing the zero-check dissolves the vulne= rability to the side-channel attack, because any use of the bits protected = by header protection prior to AEAD-decrypting the payload is forbidden. The= real attack exists on the PN field, where an attacker can flip the bits of= the encrypted PN and use the timing difference of the receiver that short-= cuts AEAD decryption based on the value of the PN to infer what the value o= f the unprotected PN was.

Therefore, I think that we should spend our effort to be clear about whe= n the unprotected header bits can be used, rather than trying to fixing a u= se-case that does not have a high impact.

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----==_mimepart_5c3769b0c4f1c_19193fcc146d45b428513b-- From nobody Thu Jan 10 08:11:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDC1E130DE7 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2019 08:11:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ggp9gf4Vewa0 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2019 08:11:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 187A9126CB6 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2019 08:11:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=JhD+/npj6bEiOXhUjXAGdAeECps=; b=YXJFu8Eobrb3Rp/d DgrcratTM1mRtlNYTnqp+rM1Gt500jw9fvfdQjJHT98M9S/8WOWb01ppEoDmmcxa I07s69jNUDxMOdOrhAa0eaivZZ6ptfKHyxfJPjZV6ySoqcYghUh0ma+2eGwwEwhd eanFchTGLxbowRe6pVj6YtqhrA0= Received: by filter1715p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1715p1mdw1-21576-5C376EC8-1B 2019-01-10 16:11:52.476356056 +0000 UTC m=+224823.497288493 Received: from github-lowworker-97d0962.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.41]) by ismtpd0036p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id Cw1X0flTQKaKg3BDx9cpWw for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2019 16:11:52.574 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-97d0962.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 896C580050 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2019 08:11:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 16:11:52 +0000 (UTC) From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clarify Actions on nonzero Reserved Bits (#2280) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c376ec887d07_16803fc8a92d45b8240223"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0zsDGRXScq6ZIT3KQFqYQ8z73jtu/XYFdMs/ p7WIoc00CzPOUKgz97Gd6GtmyzzK96yF3D9Pli+/KxfeNG0QhKl+EJZhs2XRPAd7cuO+A4zHsQ7955 YgBx+Nl3IFTFVAnkkU5YxK8A64sFgxZ065eh+crXPms50zRWXtn9kK/fbkR5sx/O6ueF5qZjaiiEbL g= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 16:11:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c376ec887d07_16803fc8a92d45b8240223 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @ianswett My previous reply was too glib. One problem with applying the check right after removing header protection is that the consequences are a connection error -- so a garbage packet has a 3 in 4 chance of taking down the connection. There are three equilbria here: 1) Simply discard the packet after header protection. As @marten-seemann pointed out, it's not clear why this would provide any sort of intelligence to an attacker, as there is no response. 2) After packet protection, it's a PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. This is the current state of the draft with this PR serving to clarify a bit. 3) Not having any requirement for the reserved bits. There is a difference in opinion over whether this is a side channel issue or not, or if this should be done only with some sort of negotiation. I'm not the one to articulate this positon. Which is all to say that I should have taken @martinthomson 's advice a week ago and filed and issue. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2280#issuecomment-453152955 ----==_mimepart_5c376ec887d07_16803fc8a92d45b8240223 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@ianswett My previous reply was too glib. One problem with applyin= g the check right after removing header protection is that the consequences= are a connection error -- so a garbage packet has a 3 in 4 chance of takin= g down the connection.

There are three equilbria here:

  1. Simply discard the packet after header protection. As @marten-se= emann pointed out, it's not clear why this would provide any sort of in= telligence to an attacker, as there is no response.
  2. After packet protection, it's a PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. This is the current= state of the draft with this PR serving to clarify a bit.
  3. Not having any requirement for the reserved bits. There is a difference= in opinion over whether this is a side channel issue or not, or if this sh= ould be done only with some sort of negotiation. I'm not the one to articul= ate this positon.

Which is all to say that I should have taken @martinthomson 's a= dvice a week ago and filed and issue.

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A few weeks ago I filed PR #2280 to clarify things a bit. The discussion suggests there is not much consensus. There are three possible equilibria for how to handle nonzero reserved bits:

  1. The spec currently says it's a PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. This must occur only after packer protection is removed; after only header protection, 3 out of 4 garbage packets would meet the condition to take down the connection.
  2. Alternatively, we could discard the packet after header protection. This is computationally cheaper. There is some concern about consistent decryption time, but as @marten-seemann pointed out if we simply discard there is no response for the attacker to measure.
  3. The other choice is to allow senders to do anything with these bits, but that possibility was decisively rejected in #2022 and we shouldn't reopen settled issues in the absence of new information.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>      +---+-----+-----+-----+-------+
-    | n | n-1 | n-2 | ... |  d+1  |  Absolute Index
+    | n | n-1 | n-2 | ... |   d   |  Absolute Index

Same as above, yes.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  ({{request-cancellation}}).  Clients SHOULD reset any streams above this ID with
-the error code HTTP_REQUEST_CANCELLED.  Servers MAY also cancel requests on
+the error code HTTP_REQUEST_REJECTED.  Servers MAY also reject requests on

Why have the client send REJECTED in this case?

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -963,20 +963,20 @@ for each header field.
 
 ### Request Cancellation
 
-Either client or server can cancel requests by aborting the stream (QUIC
-RESET_STREAM and/or STOP_SENDING frames, as appropriate) with an error code of
+Clients can cancel requests by aborting the stream (QUIC RESET_STREAM and/or
+STOP_SENDING frames, as appropriate) with an error code of
 HTTP_REQUEST_CANCELLED ({{http-error-codes}}).  When the client cancels a
 response, it indicates that this response is no longer of interest.
 Implementations SHOULD cancel requests by aborting both directions of a stream.

Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of this PR? If a server receives STOP_SENDING with HTTP_REQUEST_CANCELLED, it doesn't reject the request, it acts on the client's cancellation. In that case I think it would make more sense for the server to use HTTP_REQUEST_CANCELLED.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -723,7 +723,7 @@ with its 0-RTT data.
 ### PUSH_PROMISE {#frame-push-promise}
 
 The PUSH_PROMISE frame (type=0x05) is used to carry a promised request header
-set from server to client, as in HTTP/2.
+set from server to client on a request stream, as in HTTP/2.

Right -- same as 7540. The reason for this is that once a request stream is closed, you know the full set of pushes that are expected in relation to that request. However, if you allow new promises on push streams, you have to wait until all pushes are satisfied to get a complete set.

I'd be open to a discussion on loosening that requirement, but it's unrelated to QUIC -- write an HTTPbis draft advocating the change if you want it. :-)

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  ({{request-cancellation}}).  Clients SHOULD reset any streams above this ID with
-the error code HTTP_REQUEST_CANCELLED.  Servers MAY also cancel requests on
+the error code HTTP_REQUEST_REJECTED.  Servers MAY also reject requests on

Because GOAWAY already tells the client that the server didn't act on these higher streams; this is effectively the client's agreement that these streams were rejected by GOAWAY. (There's probably also a STOP_SENDING en route with the same error code.)

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -963,20 +963,20 @@ for each header field.
 
 ### Request Cancellation
 
-Either client or server can cancel requests by aborting the stream (QUIC
-RESET_STREAM and/or STOP_SENDING frames, as appropriate) with an error code of
+Clients can cancel requests by aborting the stream (QUIC RESET_STREAM and/or
+STOP_SENDING frames, as appropriate) with an error code of
 HTTP_REQUEST_CANCELLED ({{http-error-codes}}).  When the client cancels a
 response, it indicates that this response is no longer of interest.
 Implementations SHOULD cancel requests by aborting both directions of a stream.

From -transport:

An endpoint SHOULD copy the error code from the STOP_SENDING frame, but MAY use any application error code.

_CANCELLED would be the default behavior; this text merely says that _REJECTED is also acceptable. (And the transport draft says that the server MAY use any error code, so this is really just a restatement.)

The subtle difference would be an indication of whether the cancelled request had begun to process (and therefore might have had side-effects) before the cancellation took place.

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----==_mimepart_5c379ceb45ca5_58753ff3ab8d45bc1595f2-- From nobody Thu Jan 10 12:36:48 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A06EE131249 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2019 12:36:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jrwBRa2ne655 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2019 12:36:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CDEF313123C for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2019 12:36:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 12:36:42 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547152602; bh=93Gis0ka4e69x9UdMUgVE8i4dgL8pHYLHe1pnFsKc7c=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=0e5tqxLSytG+VSquhGju6PwSUi0cMb/YbBUVpmJOF4HkZ5y8dsr+fkQagG1j56qwQ wtvul5cEB3LRJ1YRgHx9B+CfkgcxK/+qvj0YoVZEf+i5FKM8GProH4ZZspqNogagoo 6VK173WqzpswhcWpAHtoIeRkOU9IlkJcVs9D5zbQ= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] frame type field of CONNECTION_CLOSE provides little value (#1989) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c37acdabbce2_1dfe3f89988d45bc1366cf"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 20:36:47 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c37acdabbce2_1dfe3f89988d45bc1366cf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought in Paris we agreed to remove a bunch of error codes and then we'd add more back later when we knew which ones we wanted. I would consider Tokyo "later". But yes, the frame type is mostly useless, and I'd rather have a more specific error code than PROTOCOL_VIOLATION for the cases when there are frame specific errors. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1989#issuecomment-453244336 ----==_mimepart_5c37acdabbce2_1dfe3f89988d45bc1366cf Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I thought in Paris we agreed to remove a bunch of error codes and then= we'd add more back later when we knew which ones we wanted. I would con= sider Tokyo "later".

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=0D =0D = ----==_mimepart_5c37b15926e6_4e583f98948d45c029875-- From nobody Thu Jan 10 13:14:40 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E0C3130F3F for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2019 13:14:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qt5gQvTgRZHA for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2019 13:14:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6640812896A for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2019 13:14:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 13:14:35 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547154875; bh=Rs6eMUgGfpYeGIIiiNbbI4SW7NKVTmlMVFCFsAPY+4M=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=VUUfxMjeATlD9+eaioZ/eku/ckC1KQMRJUO3W2J0XDg+77jKikvqW339QvxpT6Y08 YmTEC0VTBIYi44Netv8XapCyorIUb3TaJCVAFO2bbDehUF7a8TO9RCX18PdOyk9Qn1 HXYRijHp3YqMbCm1+euz56QVBjy8usQKGgo5knDo= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Actions to take when Reserved Bits are not Zero (#2329) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c37b5bbea049_7a5e3fd2212d45b4153577"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 21:14:39 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c37b5bbea049_7a5e3fd2212d45b4153577 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for opening the issue. One point about the second and third options. > if we simply discard there is no response for the attacker to measure This is only true if there is no adjacent activity. I would advise not taking timing side-channels so lightly. > that possibility was decisively rejected in #2022 That discussion was mostly about leaving the bits unprotected. That said, the option of ignoring the bits is potentially valid, but it could give an attacker some leverage on the header protection key. It wouldn't be much, but it was what pushed me toward the current design. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2329#issuecomment-453256192 ----==_mimepart_5c37b5bbea049_7a5e3fd2212d45b4153577 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Testing the bits prior to AEAD-decryption (option 2) is a no-go. While I= am not sure if doing that exposes any information (because there is no= information carried by the reserved bits), I prefer having a consiste= nt rule on when the results of header (un)protection can be used.

I think that the choice should be either status-quo or require the recei= ver to ignore the bits, with the slight preference towards the former.

Honestly, I do not see what we get by requiring the receiver to ignore t= he bits, because they should not be used in any way without negotiation, to= avoid endpoints applying different meanings to the bits.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -963,20 +963,20 @@ for each header field.
 
 ### Request Cancellation
 
-Either client or server can cancel requests by aborting the stream (QUIC
-RESET_STREAM and/or STOP_SENDING frames, as appropriate) with an error code of
+Clients can cancel requests by aborting the stream (QUIC RESET_STREAM and/or
+STOP_SENDING frames, as appropriate) with an error code of
 HTTP_REQUEST_CANCELLED ({{http-error-codes}}).  When the client cancels a
 response, it indicates that this response is no longer of interest.
 Implementations SHOULD cancel requests by aborting both directions of a stream.

Right. The trick here is that a cancelled request can't be automatically retried. A rejected one can be. So using _REJECTED is preferable.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -963,20 +963,20 @@ for each header field.
 
 ### Request Cancellation
 
-Either client or server can cancel requests by aborting the stream (QUIC
-RESET_STREAM and/or STOP_SENDING frames, as appropriate) with an error code of
+Clients can cancel requests by aborting the stream (QUIC RESET_STREAM and/or
+STOP_SENDING frames, as appropriate) with an error code of
 HTTP_REQUEST_CANCELLED ({{http-error-codes}}).  When the client cancels a
 response, it indicates that this response is no longer of interest.
 Implementations SHOULD cancel requests by aborting both directions of a stream.

Ah, I see. I agree. Hmmm not sure how to clarify the text so others aren't confused the same way I was though.

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This has been addressed. The text now shows:

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Changes to the first octet have addressed this. With header protection, there are no unused values to grease left.

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I think this is overtaken by #2111. Largest Reference is dead. Long live Required Insert Count.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  ({{request-cancellation}}).  Clients SHOULD reset any streams above this ID with
-the error code HTTP_REQUEST_CANCELLED.  Servers MAY also cancel requests on
+the error code HTTP_REQUEST_REJECTED.  Servers MAY also reject requests on

This seems weird. I think I prefer the client sending CANCELLED.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  ({{request-cancellation}}).  Clients SHOULD reset any streams above this ID with
-the error code HTTP_REQUEST_CANCELLED.  Servers MAY also cancel requests on
+the error code HTTP_REQUEST_REJECTED.  Servers MAY also reject requests on

Oh, I missed that. Yes. The client CAN'T send _REJECTED. Because if the server echoes it (as they are allowed to), then the client might conclude that nothing was processed. We need a prohibition against clients using _REJECTED.

Clients MUST NOT use HTTP_REQUEST_REJECTED with STOP_SENDING.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  ({{request-cancellation}}).  Clients SHOULD reset any streams above this ID with
-the error code HTTP_REQUEST_CANCELLED.  Servers MAY also cancel requests on
+the error code HTTP_REQUEST_REJECTED.  Servers MAY also reject requests on

It's not that the client can't, because those streams haven't been processed, per GOAWAY. But yes, we should add a prohibition on its use in other cases at least.

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Can this issue be closed now that #2212 has been merged and we're referencing quic-transport?

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
 Due to reordering between streams, an element can also be prioritized which is
 not yet in the tree. Such elements are added to the tree with the requested
 priority.
 
+
+In all cases, elements are assigned an initial weight of 16 unless a PRIORITY
+frame begins the stream.

I've reworked the text flow to make it clearer about initial defaults

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----==_mimepart_5c38b5129a64a_604f3fea960d45c4180633-- From nobody Fri Jan 11 07:24:48 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3AEA124BE5 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2019 07:24:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.552 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.552 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zizymdy1peEy for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2019 07:24:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B99ED1228B7 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2019 07:24:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 07:24:44 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547220284; bh=V6MzUKduF2ik5dmJ5D8M6BRrCGvWXEw/hvZg03A7J7E=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=FLqde4h0tx3xfIE7N/VpAkwKpW84VzDfHXV5eriIXsvEkrND+s4XXBHf1dLWzRB6f PWmzdWRRrbA4g86SHpCtEkx7yoKoU2VnSyyCFEmMjbpTHoib28wfLI2CRMqUGmn9YW iDucUFCYJ5CHAJzoPrUmS1IMnvkUMdSPi44CUBkA= From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Prioritization edits (#2322) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c38b53cb34f8_7e4e3fe066cd45c0920c6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 15:24:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c38b53cb34f8_7e4e3fe066cd45c0920c6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LPardue commented on this pull request. > Due to reordering between streams, an element can also be prioritized which is not yet in the tree. Such elements are added to the tree with the requested priority. + +In all cases, elements are assigned an initial weight of 16 unless a PRIORITY +frame begins the stream. + +When a client request is first sent, its parent and weight are determined by the +PRIORITY frame (see {{frame-priority}}) which begins the stream, if present. +Otherwise, the element is dependent on the root of the priority tree. A request +stream dependent upon another request stream expresses the preference that the +latter stream (the "parent" request) be allocated resources before the former +stream (the "dependent" request). The inspiration was to remove the text altogether because I don't think it helped. If I'm wrong, please let me know. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2322#discussion_r247152608 ----==_mimepart_5c38b53cb34f8_7e4e3fe066cd45c0920c6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
 Due to reordering between streams, an element can also be prioritized which is
 not yet in the tree. Such elements are added to the tree with the requested
 priority.
 
+
+In all cases, elements are assigned an initial weight of 16 unless a PRIORITY
+frame begins the stream.
+
+When a client request is first sent, its parent and weight are determined by the
+PRIORITY frame (see {{frame-priority}}) which begins the stream, if present.
+Otherwise, the element is dependent on the root of the priority tree. A request 
+stream dependent upon another request stream expresses the preference that the
+latter stream (the "parent" request) be allocated resources before the former
+stream (the "dependent" request).

The inspiration was to remove the text altogether because I don't think it helped. If I'm wrong, please let me know.

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Yes, I like this formulation better. > Due to reordering between streams, an element can also be prioritized which is not yet in the tree. Such elements are added to the tree with the requested priority. +When a prioritized element is first created it has a default inital weight +of 16 and a default dependency. Requests and placeholders are dependent on the +root of the priority tree, pushes are dependent on the client request on which ```suggestion root of the priority tree; pushes are dependent on the client request on which ``` Comma splice > Due to reordering between streams, an element can also be prioritized which is not yet in the tree. Such elements are added to the tree with the requested priority. + The extra line was removed in your most recent commit, so don't accept the suggestion to remove another one. ;-) > Due to reordering between streams, an element can also be prioritized which is not yet in the tree. Such elements are added to the tree with the requested priority. +When a prioritized element is first created it has a default inital weight +of 16 and a default dependency. Requests and placeholders are dependent on the +root of the priority tree, pushes are dependent on the client request on which +the PUSH_PROMISE frame was sent. + +Requests may override the default intial values by including a PRIORTIY frame +(see {{frame-priority}}) at the beginning of the stream. Pushes and placeholders +may be later updated by sending a PRIORITY frame on the control stream. ```suggestion can be updated by sending a PRIORITY frame on the control stream. ``` > Due to reordering between streams, an element can also be prioritized which is not yet in the tree. Such elements are added to the tree with the requested priority. +When a prioritized element is first created it has a default inital weight +of 16 and a default dependency. Requests and placeholders are dependent on the +root of the priority tree, pushes are dependent on the client request on which +the PUSH_PROMISE frame was sent. + +Requests may override the default intial values by including a PRIORTIY frame +(see {{frame-priority}}) at the beginning of the stream. Pushes and placeholders ```suggestion (see {{frame-priority}}) at the beginning of the stream. These priorities ``` It's not just pushes and placeholders -- this statement is true for any of them. > Due to reordering between streams, an element can also be prioritized which is not yet in the tree. Such elements are added to the tree with the requested priority. +When a prioritized element is first created it has a default inital weight ```suggestion When a prioritized element is first created, it has a default initial weight ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@MikeBishop approved this pull request.

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True, it means the server must reject 0-RTT when it changes the size o= f the dynamic table it wants to support, but this is a very rare server s= ide change.

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Starts at 0
Can be set to non-zero by SETTINGS

This started as a modification of #2257, but the differences were significant enough I split it off.

Fixes #2276

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2330

Commit Summary

  • QPACK: Clarify how maximum dynamic table capacity can be set

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
    OnPacketAckedCC(acked_packet):
      // Remove from bytes_in_flight.
      bytes_in_flight -= acked_packet.bytes
      if (InRecovery(acked_packet.packet_number)):
        // Do not increase congestion window in recovery period.
        return
+     if (IsAppLimited())
+       // Do not increase congestion_window if application limited.
+       return

Agreed, getting this right is complex. I am going to not define the IsAppLimited() method, but document what it's intent is.

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I think we need to include something about the SETTING in there. #2257 or #2330

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I'd like to make it a requirement that the algorithm produce an error = if the encoder sent a value that is not possible if it were following the= rules in the spec. Example per the discussion in #2112:

MaxEntries =3D 10
TotalNumberOfInserts (decoder_base) =3D 2
WireLR =3D 18

This algorithm returns 17. What is the guidance to convert this to an= error? Is it:

if lr > max_value:
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If we allow 0 to become >0, that isn't fundamentally that different= to allowing increases. If you chose 0, then 0-RTT probably isn't that ef= fective either. I am inclined to leave no change as the only option if we= go this way.

The alternative is to prohibit wrapping until SETTINGS is received, wh= ich I agree is manageable, but a little clumsy. For me, this comes down t= o whether we think that changing max capacity will be that common. It mig= ht be easier to say that changes (increases really) can't be made until y= ou get a full handshake.

We see only slightly more than 1% of our TLS 1.3 connections accepting= 0-RTT - or even attempting it. It is early days for 0-RTT, but that sugg= ests that there will be plenty of opportunities - even for a server that = prefers 0-RTT - to bump the capacity limit.

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What is missing here is whether the table capacity instruction needs to be sent when SETTINGS causes the value to increase.

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I'm confused -- if LR is invalid, the HEADERS frame can't be interpret= ed, I agree. It's unclear why a failure to decode anything on a request s= tream could constitute an encoder stream error.

Good point. Let's make it a stream error (with the usual code HTTP_QP= ACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED) then.

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I'd like to make it a requirement that the algorithm produce an error = if the encoder sent a value that is not possible if it were following the= rules in the spec. Example per the discussion in #2112:

MaxEntries =3D 10
TotalNumberOfInserts (decoder_base) =3D 2
WireLR =3D 18

This algorithm returns 17. What is the guidance to convert this to an = error? Is it:

if lr > max_value:
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Agreed. And my preference goes to simply disallowing servers from advertising a different max table size when 0-RTT is used.

I also support this.

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Updated to use an explicit variable, and to use unpadded packets at Handshake level.

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The H3 draft seems to be silent about what should be done, and we have two options:

  • close the connection with a HTTP_CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM error, because it might have been a control stream or QPACK stream
  • ignore that, because H3 endpoints are permitted to start using new unidirectional streams without negotiation

I prefer the former, because sending the stream type is a requirement for any unidirectional stream. However, the name of the error code is counterintuitive for an error code to be sent in response to a closure of a stream that might not have been critical.

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This has already been resolved in the latest draft. I propose closing this. The discussion of securing version negotiation can have its own issue.

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----==_mimepart_5c39863035297_57b23fdf4ccd45b833338d-- From nobody Fri Jan 11 22:34:01 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71B75130F73 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2019 22:33:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.552 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.552 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gBx0ojsdPzkA for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2019 22:33:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4AB4412D4EB for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2019 22:33:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 22:33:55 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547274835; bh=z1j9xq1Smwh5VPbejVzqrMBaUn71DSVPZq2eL9sMNm8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=HHNTraQ35rFUSTo8qfbk0rijytxG3q/kcEILFvMdzUO+txlFrf9Xog0qMHAEj+c0B HjUfB2iAQk1Hybc8NQJs4ZBJJXIuwdAQ8E0lU7YshRfdsyEnAekIWoAGWNnAPdToGP hEzsrbi01RoftZIz4vfYVAH55F+Z4tCnwnQgwH4Q= From: Igor Lubashev Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] handling of coalesced packets with decryption errors creates DoS opportunity (#2308) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c398a53e6156_66943fbaf26d45c4666942"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: igorlord X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 06:34:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c398a53e6156_66943fbaf26d45c4666942 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We also talked in Kista about using just such coalesced packets for PMTU probing. I.e. coalescing a short long-header packet that will not decrypt but contains Server's Connection ID with a short-header packet that has the actual payload. If the UDP datagram does get delivered, the long-header packet will be discarded and the short-header packet -- ACKed. If this UDP datagram runs into an MTU problem, the response ICMP will contain Server Connection ID, and it will be routed to the correct backend. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2308#issuecomment-453724206 ----==_mimepart_5c398a53e6156_66943fbaf26d45c4666942 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

We also talked in Kista about using just such coalesced packets for PM= TU probing. I.e. coalescing a short long-header packet that will not dec= rypt but contains Server's Connection ID with a short-header packet that = has the actual payload.

If the UDP datagram does get delivered, the long-header packet will be= discarded and the short-header packet -- ACKed. If this UDP datagram ru= ns into an MTU problem, the response ICMP will contain Server Connection = ID, and it will be routed to the correct backend.

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= = ----==_mimepart_5c398a53e6156_66943fbaf26d45c4666942-- From nobody Sat Jan 12 00:47:48 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9508C124408 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2019 00:47:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5LKAyha0WZzo for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2019 00:47:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B4B8D12785F for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2019 00:47:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 00:47:43 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547282863; bh=PbQHFjce0qu7L/9YFCEGLh0Qg9/ZVl2JrtRDOYIAEc0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=PxnfYX1byIiivC0IlE1CnG4WXmeqRNS1gBPiY29j1vgAB0XkY4OUj026ujBZrt16h ryf3bN3sWkcgkpj9KFrBs8/1WOcp6a+1kIa9LUodRCW785uVg/ZTOqmtqeYkFpSngc rBDFxC0dlYNgbHZLKs/9VoLlh3NjsJahT54s4VxM= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] What should the receiver do when the peer closes a unidirectional stream before providing the stream type? (#2331) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c39a9af5f0f6_66c93fbaf26d45c41342026"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 08:47:46 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c39a9af5f0f6_66c93fbaf26d45c41342026 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The question is if you can close a stream after sending a frame type, then loose a packet so the receiver is not aware of the type at the time it responds to the close. If this is not the case, notably when the stream is closed with final size 0, I don't think it should be a considered a critical stream but rather an optional stream that never came to happen. After all, the sender (ought to) know what it is doing. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2331#issuecomment-453731137 ----==_mimepart_5c39a9af5f0f6_66c93fbaf26d45c41342026 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The question is if you can close a stream after sending a frame type, = then loose a packet so the receiver is not aware of the type at the time = it responds to the close.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c39a9af5f0f6_66c93fbaf26d45c41342026-- From nobody Sat Jan 12 01:14:24 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ACD9129A87 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2019 01:14:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z1_bLO0wgIwq for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2019 01:14:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B556A128D09 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2019 01:14:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 01:14:20 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547284460; bh=FPjgN1kzhDaFEPSwpNry6BpwsqdSoA9IKxg5EASUH4c=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=YShQnvTlsFwTdFw7IDXE7EgHLEhPzIEhzYzgd6ed+FHrxIeTPWGbsx6x/5htAtpyZ 7r1KfiiRwwc+9UT1rfMbTES9B/ZNRbZtCi22R8/bVCUHLyY1D/bIzad6Hywa+vopMS +6OqzT7a+LSPo1dTUr/x4n/kdH+WavCDKjKbkoU0= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] What should the receiver do when the peer closes a unidirectional stream before providing the stream type? (#2331) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c39afec3764_3d83fc6b1ad45b411843ad"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 09:14:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c39afec3764_3d83fc6b1ad45b411843ad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @mikkelfj I do not think that we have an API requirement that the two cases that you describe need be distinguishable. IMO, a QUIC stack should not be required to communicate the final size when it receives a RST_STREAM frame. An H2 implementation using such a QUIC stack will not be able to distinguish between when it receives RST_STREAM (final_size=1) before seeing any STREAM frame, and when it receives RST_STREAM (final_size=0). Therefore, IMO the issue is what an H3 endpoint should do when it receives a RST_STREAM (and also a FIN, depending on the outcome of the discussion) before receiving the first byte. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2331#issuecomment-453732566 ----==_mimepart_5c39afec3764_3d83fc6b1ad45b411843ad Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@mikkelfj I do not think that we have an API requirement tha= t the two cases that you describe need be distinguishable.

IMO, a QUIC stack should not be required to communicate the final size= when it receives a RST_STREAM frame. An H2 implementation using such a Q= UIC stack will not be able to distinguish between when it receives RST_ST= REAM (final_size=3D1) before seeing any STREAM frame, and when it receive= s RST_STREAM (final_size=3D0).

Therefore, IMO the issue is what an H3 endpoint should do when it rece= ives a RST_STREAM (and also a FIN, depending on the outcome of the discus= sion) before receiving the first byte.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c39afec3764_3d83fc6b1ad45b411843ad-- From nobody Sat Jan 12 01:59:51 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F041130DF1 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2019 01:59:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3n5aufvCOs0k for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2019 01:59:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 239D912D4E9 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2019 01:59:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 01:59:47 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547287187; bh=P2CboE5IeKwsGK8jQi/6SPHx1kPTfuO2kqBXHfNbAnE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=kQBWygY8ds5mqRPCb5H56IjKooIGq4oKCBcGiLzKFfO/RVjREA1fGa69JfsVsFKBz bQUo2epMkvPtVZGD6IFF+mAZ95tvQ90dSmjKDcNoT9SnXnb0HrvGYOW8Z5tRURZ6ou 7zjkFhrGe1hag3A7/BFSAfYIlP18wTvyQEOauZes= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] What should the receiver do when the peer closes a unidirectional stream before providing the stream type? (#2331) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c39ba938dd3_5f713fa8fc2d45bc61168"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 09:59:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c39ba938dd3_5f713fa8fc2d45bc61168 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (It's now RESET_STREAM) You can close normally (FIN), or with RESET_STREAM. In both cases there is a final size. The difference is that RESET_STREAM does not require unsent or lost data to be (re)transmitted. (I'm sure you are aware of all this). If you get a RESET_STREAM and you do not have the stream type, there is no point in waiting for it. If you get a FIN without a type and a final size >= 1 but have not received the first byte, you can choose to wait for it. You probably should - but an implementation could make a mistake here assuming an error if an internal struct says type = type_missing. I take it you issue is intended for RESET only, but you were not clear on that. Now, further analysis: Assume you send a non critical stream with a type, and some other data. Then decide to RESET_STREAM in a later packet. This later packet overtakes the previous packet holding the type. Since the receiver cannot assume that the type was ever sent or will ever be received, it must act on what it knows. Hence, if it treats this as a critical error, streams can never be reset. Consequently, either streams should never be reset, or a reset without a type should not be treated as critical. I.e. a stream only exists for real once a type is positively known. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2331#issuecomment-453734970 ----==_mimepart_5c39ba938dd3_5f713fa8fc2d45bc61168 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

(It's now RESET_STREAM)

You can close normally (FIN), or with RESET_STREAM. In both cases ther= e is a final size. The difference is that RESET_STREAM does not require u= nsent or lost data to be (re)transmitted. (I'm sure you are aware of all = this).

If you get a RESET_STREAM and you do not have the stream type, there i= s no point in waiting for it. If you get a FIN without a type and a final= size >=3D 1 but have not received the first byte, you can choose to w= ait for it. You probably should - but an implementation could make a mist= ake here assuming an error if an internal struct says type =3D type_missi= ng. I take it you issue is intended for RESET only, but you were not clea= r on that.

Now, further analysis:
Assume you send a non critical stream with a type, and some other data. T= hen decide to RESET_STREAM in a later packet. This later packet overtakes= the previous packet holding the type. Since the receiver cannot assume t= hat the type was ever sent or will ever be received, it must act on what = it knows. Hence, if it treats this as a critical error, streams can never= be reset. Consequently, either streams should never be reset, or a reset= without a type should not be treated as critical. I.e. a stream only exi= sts for real once a type is positively known.

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(I think you edited your previous text while I got distracted editing my response, at least you distinguish between FIN and RESET contrary to what I suggest in the above. Regardless, I stand by what I wrote).

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----==_mimepart_5c39bb0e744c0_aa73fd1a82d45c45089e1-- From nobody Sat Jan 12 02:42:59 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44294129A87 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2019 02:42:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bVSc3icSN2gH for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2019 02:42:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-10.smtp.github.com (out-10.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 686CD12785F for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2019 02:42:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 02:42:54 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547289774; bh=5PSENidlzHnrqidGW7ml8et/YMx8ilGINHsERe0zcuY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=lu04psvSD+ZPfnsbF2PleE9a47RQRijgVmyfCjCuK4/K+8aYUmeN8ySbLojszVrNG 7+/gi91Nw833jBecL1SGgZS+7fAODBozF/o9BTL2hAwuxTbvF6+9sjeq+GN5xZhfGj 0GSuNxIXi4mxQjURNa4Er8QDhdgiv/BTnOCzPb8s= From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] What should the receiver do when the peer closes a unidirectional stream before providing the stream type? (#2331) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c39c4ae81f46_719f3fbc654d45c013712d0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 10:42:57 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c39c4ae81f46_719f3fbc654d45c013712d0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nice spot @kazuho, I prefer your second option. I do wonder how likely this is to happen in practice. An endpoint opens the stream with a STREAM frame, and it would probably be wise for them to include the type byte in that initial frame. If I understand what Mikkel said, the endpoint sends and empty stream frame and then closes the stream. What is advantage in that style of opening? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2331#issuecomment-453737469 ----==_mimepart_5c39c4ae81f46_719f3fbc654d45c013712d0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Nice spot @kazuho, I prefer your second option.

I do wonder how likely this is to happen in practice. An endpoint open= s the stream with a STREAM frame, and it would probably be wise for them = to include the type byte in that initial frame.

If I understand what Mikkel said, the endpoint sends and empty stream = frame and then closes the stream. What is advantage in that style of open= ing?

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= ----==_mimepart_5c39c4ae81f46_719f3fbc654d45c013712d0-- From nobody Sat Jan 12 04:33:50 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D65512D4ED for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2019 04:33:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gQ4jd6YHBlM5 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2019 04:33:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9FDDA128CF3 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2019 04:33:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 04:33:45 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547296425; bh=Gv0ZshcsEf4lX7Vd1XHw9/+m2QKgE8tWSX20hq4VOaY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=PJswT5VBsB+rcSZ/p9znnTzsjgiBevhXsa8elgTz1v2HOHYwXEJ3dz7Y82eDFH+22 sJRd8wq+ECtxnGOXg8CuezrbnrcT56TgmSLyBTbnR+R+TFKDocCgzOBRqiB1+nr+oA Di77KAp9K+0t+GXl79WX6TZyBRdoy4qHgp9ZRHS4= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] What should the receiver do when the peer closes a unidirectional stream before providing the stream type? (#2331) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c39dea95cc60_50c23fa52ead45b85261eb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 12:33:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c39dea95cc60_50c23fa52ead45b85261eb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > If I understand what Mikkel said, the endpoint sends and empty stream frame and then closes the stream. What is advantage in that style of opening? First, it is a matter of being robust against all possible ways of transmitting packets, even if done in an unlikely way. Second, in my last analysis I have a case where you send valid data, but the later RESET races the earlier packets. There are several cases: the open is entirely missed and only the RESET survives, but it then effectively opens and closes the stream, or the open is sent with 0 length data, then a later packet sends the frame type, and a later packet again sends the RESET, and the middle packet gets lost or delayed. The latter case is of course contrived, but it is still valid and possible. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2331#issuecomment-453743962 ----==_mimepart_5c39dea95cc60_50c23fa52ead45b85261eb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

If I understand what Mikkel said, the endpoint sends and empty stream = frame and then closes the stream. What is advantage in that style of open= ing?

First, it is a matter of being robust against all possible ways of tra= nsmitting packets, even if done in an unlikely way.

Second, in my last analysis I have a case where you send valid data, b= ut the later RESET races the earlier packets. There are several cases: th= e open is entirely missed and only the RESET survives, but it then effect= ively opens and closes the stream, or the open is sent with 0 length data= , then a later packet sends the frame type, and a later packet again send= s the RESET, and the middle packet gets lost or delayed. The latter case = is of course contrived, but it is still valid and possible.

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I understand we need to be robust and that's why I like the Kazuho's second option. It's just going to be a bit disappointing if H3 implementations fail at creating the 4 unidirectional streams that are fundamental to the application session.

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Well, if the peer intentionally isn't creating the necessary streams, the connection won't work. It's not like you accidentally send a reset just because. There are endless other ways to do that, like never sending a response to a request.

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@mikkelfj Yes, I did edit my comment in order to clarify wha= t I meant, while you tried to confirm what we have now. Thank you for the= clarification and sorry for the confusion.

Hence, if it treats this as a critical error, streams can never be res= et. Consequently, either streams should never be reset, or a reset withou= t a type should not be treated as critical. I.e. a stream only exists for= real once a type is positively known.

Yes. To be precise, calling the symptom a critical error would mean th= at the sender cannot reset a stream until it knows that the peer has rece= ived the first octet. But it is often hard for the application to "know" = that the peer has received the first octet. For example, the sender will = in practice never know that the first octet of the control stream has bee= n received by the peer if the values sent in the SETTINGS frame were: NUM= _PLACEHOLDERS=3D0, QPACK_MAX_TABLE_CAPACITY=3D0.

OTOH, the downside of not calling that a critical error means= that the connection state might not advance at all, if the server create= s a control stream and then resets it before the first byte is delivered = to the client. In such case, a client that waits for SETTINGS frame befor= e sending any request will stall forever. However, we might argue that su= ch stall would also happen when the packet that carries the control strea= m gets always dropped on the network (for some reason), and that a sender= resetting the control stream is as unlikely as that.

In the end, now I think I might prefer the second option (i.e. ignore)= .

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= ----==_mimepart_5c3a6891eea59_9663fb11d6d45bc1276223-- From nobody Sat Jan 12 14:27:28 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EF32131106 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2019 14:27:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.935 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CmHrrOf0c7rU for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2019 14:27:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CE76E131105 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2019 14:27:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 14:27:23 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547332043; bh=FnxD8fDxA2qmm6eQ/zjYXjLSj2bzAfASifzk5hT+6Hk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=PypXdK4nV2lqr2JrdRsHpp7ekaZM6mROvr1ODN18GuHHvRmYBBorHmb9rG1Wafv8h WgkKmaDlgDX4UZf6NlIQF3lfsL4P5UwFM36liLuGxKZ1H0SlW88G6AFaUalbyJP4hD HTKVh/8KUl16hvyQiXAB5Wa203/O4CEBOWfOypdQ= From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] What should the receiver do when the peer closes a unidirectional stream before providing the stream type? (#2331) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c3a69cb9ce40_27723f8759cd45b8381058"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 22:27:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c3a69cb9ce40_27723f8759cd45b8381058 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Given that resetting a control stream is going to cause a connection error, I don't know why an implementation would ever try to do that. The risk is high, what is the benefit? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2331#issuecomment-453785642 ----==_mimepart_5c3a69cb9ce40_27723f8759cd45b8381058 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Given that resetting a control stream is going to cause a connection error, I don't know why an implementation would ever try to do that. The risk is high, what is the benefit?

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I think it's worth noting that the side effect of varint h3 frame types means that we would need to redesign (or abandon) the HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME error code. It relies on the frame type being 8-bit.

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I must have been dumb, but I now realize that the proposed error code would be equivalent of a connection error of (error_code=PROTOCOL_VIOLATION, frame_type=ACK)? Am I correct?

If that is the case, I wonder if we achieve anything by have a new error code.

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@kazuho you make a good point. I think it'd be preferable to remove the frame type and have more error codes, but I think we'll get to have that larger discussion in Tokyo.

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@LPardue I agree that nobody would try to do that in practic= e (although in a very rare case that might happen due to some other reaso= n; e.g. low memory). Anyways, there are million ways to block the protoco= l from proceeding, and I do not think it's necessary to detect this parti= cular condition.

In contrast, allowing the sender of an extended unidirectional stream = to reset the stream might have practical benefit. For example, a sender c= an speculatively create a unidirectional stream then reset it when the re= ceived SETTINGS indicate that the peer does not support the necessary fea= ture. Using reset makes sense especially when the sender has sent certain= amount of bytes on the stream; avoiding retransmission (if possible) is = beneficial.

That's why I now think the second option (ignore early close) is prefe= rable.

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closes #2331.

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  • extended unidirectional streams can be closed or reset

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@LPardue commented on this pull request.

I think this is almost there. There is already some text recommending RESET_STREAM logic for push streams, which are not extensions (see section 4.2.4).

Perhaps we can generalise the statement?

Also typo a minor typo "s/torelate/tolerate"

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@LPardue Do you have a specific suggestion re how we can generalize? My assumption has been that we cannot generalize, because control stream and QPACK streams can never be closed or reset.

And thank you for catching the typo. Fixed that.

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Something like lose the first sentence and say instead "Some unidirect= ional stream types are allowed to be closed or reset during a connection= . A receiver MUST tolerate unidirectional stream close or reset prior to = reception of the type byte."

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  • 05e411e designate the streams that MUST NOT be closed

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@LPardue Thank you for the clarification. I agree that we sh= ould refrain from having a text that might seen as to imply that a push s= tream cannot be reset prior to sending the type byte.

I've changed the approach to clarify the general rule (that the stream= s can be reset or closed) then name out the exceptions. Does that look be= tter?

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@ianswett requested changes on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2116,6 +2116,9 @@ packets.
 A server conveys a preferred address by including the preferred_address
 transport parameter in the TLS handshake.
 
+Servers MAY communicate a preferred address of each address family (IPv4 and

I realize, looking back on the issue, why Jana mentioned alternate. There are two separate cases: Connection migration and Server's Preferred Address.

In one case, you want to make sure connection migration doesn't fail when moving from v6 to v4 only, but you don't want them to do anything after the handshake. In the other case, you want them to migrate to a more stable IP after the handshake.

If the server omits the address family you connected on, but supplies a preferred address on the other address family, do you try to migrate?

I suspect we need to change the structure from what's in this PR, and if not, we need to nail down the critical use cases and make sure they all work.

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See my previous comment about the capacity instruction.

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A sender MAY implement alternate mechanisms to update its congestion window after idle periods, such as those proposed for TCP in {{?RFC7661}}. +## Application Limited Sending + +The congestion window should not be increased in slow start or congestion +avoidance when it is not fully utilized. The congestion window could be +under-utilized due to insufficient application data to send or flow control +limits. + +When the sender is pacing(see {{pacing}}) packets, the sender may be unable ```suggestion When the sender is pacing (see {{pacing}}) packets, the sender may be unable ``` > @@ -999,6 +996,18 @@ paces the sending of any packets in excess of the initial congestion window. A sender MAY implement alternate mechanisms to update its congestion window after idle periods, such as those proposed for TCP in {{?RFC7661}}. +## Application Limited Sending + +The congestion window should not be increased in slow start or congestion +avoidance when it is not fully utilized. The congestion window could be +under-utilized due to insufficient application data to send or flow control +limits. + +When the sender is pacing(see {{pacing}}) packets, the sender may be unable +to use the full congestion window for a period of time after receiving an +ACK, due to pacing. In this case, the sender should not consider themselves ```suggestion acknowledgment. In this case, the sender should not consider themselves ``` > @@ -999,6 +996,18 @@ paces the sending of any packets in excess of the initial congestion window. A sender MAY implement alternate mechanisms to update its congestion window after idle periods, such as those proposed for TCP in {{?RFC7661}}. +## Application Limited Sending + +The congestion window should not be increased in slow start or congestion +avoidance when it is not fully utilized. The congestion window could be +under-utilized due to insufficient application data to send or flow control +limits. + +When the sender is pacing(see {{pacing}}) packets, the sender may be unable +to use the full congestion window for a period of time after receiving an +ACK, due to pacing. In this case, the sender should not consider themselves +application limited and should allow the congestion window to increase. I'm not really following the logic here. I think that you need more words. The reason that the congestion window is limited in this fashion is that without being exercised, there is no assurance that this much data can be sent. If there is a sudden increase in demand from the application such that the inflated limit is now used, that results in using an untested limit, which might result in severe congestion. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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+## Application Limited Sending=0D
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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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> @@ -999,6 +996,18 @@ paces the sending of =
any packets in excess of the initial congestion window.=0D
 A sender MAY implement alternate mechanisms to update its congestion win=
dow=0D
 after idle periods, such as those proposed for TCP in {{?RFC7661}}.=0D
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+## Application Limited Sending=0D
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+The congestion window should not be increased in slow start or congestio=
n=0D
+avoidance when it is not fully utilized.  The congestion window could be=
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+under-utilized due to insufficient application data to send or flow cont=
rol=0D
+limits.=0D
+=0D
+When the sender is pacing(see {{pacing}}) packets, the sender may be una=
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+to use the full congestion window for a period of time after receiving a=
n=0D
+ACK, due to pacing.  In this case, the sender should not consider themse=
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This could e.g. happen if a server loses state after sending the ServerHello, and comes back up before the client gives up. Or it could just be an incorrectly routed Handshake packet.

Currently, the spec doesn't say anything explicitly about this case, so the general case about receiving a packet that is not associated with any connection applies, thus we'd send a Stateless Reset. There are two problems with this solution:

  • We clearly can do better than sending a random data, since we have access to the source connection ID on the incoming packet, so in principle we are able to ensure correct routing of the stateless reset.
  • That doesn't really help though, since the client might not have received the stateless reset token yet, and would just drop the stateless reset.

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I just saw that we already have text about that:

An endpoint MAY send a stateless reset in response to a packet with a = long header. This would not be effective if the stateless reset token was= not yet available to a peer. In this QUIC version, packets with a long h= eader are only used during connection establishment. Because the stateles= s reset token is not available until connection establishment is complete= or near completion, ignoring an unknown packet with a long header might = be more effective.

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Sect. 7 in transport refers to packer number spaces without any reference to what that might mean. These are only introduced later in sect. 12.3.

Also the text talks about crypto sequence numbers and the text is not very clear about these being different from packet numbers if you haven't been through TLS text.

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What is actually wrong with MUST be set to zero 0 sending and MUST be = ignored by receiver. Use of a reserved field normally occur only after ne= gotiation of such use. The exception to the later are if we actually like= to use a reserved bit in the parts that are prior to negotiation can occ= ur.

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@MikeBishop approved this pull request.

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Looks good.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

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=0D =0D = ----==_mimepart_5c3ccaf93dda1_39b93fab00cd45c06392d-- From nobody Mon Jan 14 09:51:45 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5BD212896A for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2019 09:51:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.552 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.552 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E-z_w5p5XJbv for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2019 09:51:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 55BAF1286E7 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2019 09:51:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 09:51:41 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547488301; bh=kxIxDu4EWhsrBt2cg1oEbF4YdP2omP371A5gDxEaXEA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=zu+f1lW6H5UdSPyzCr45GnYhyMURVnOe5jYN0NzMC96CK2NsNJqEDY1U8G0E3qO64 S+WDeS8qkYwhYik47ROOrRwEiU+GwDfng69+sFDu40Aw8DWKfnvy1myEwJFNnob0CU mMaWhhVzBTP6/JdnXiQDpHctV/WcZ1QTFy8YoWeI= From: afrind Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QPACK: Clarify how maximum dynamic table capacity can be set (#2330) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c3ccc2de9158_57a43fd45d4d45c4101769"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: afrind X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 17:51:45 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c3ccc2de9158_57a43fd45d4d45c4101769 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sending a MAX in SETTINGS never changes the table capacity. Sending a set capacity instruction is required if the encoder wants to change capacity. I agree the 0 -> >0 transition could be handled by reject 0-RTT when an implementation enables the dynamic table after running for some period with it off. Such cases are probably as rare as the server changing the max capacity it supports. The argument I have for allowing it is that it's the same case as 1-RTT (client starts at 0, enable dynamic table later), so I don't think the implementation needs to be any more complex to handle it. But I can live without it also. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2330#issuecomment-454097839 ----==_mimepart_5c3ccc2de9158_57a43fd45d4d45c4101769 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sending a MAX in SETTINGS never changes the table capacity. Sending a= set capacity instruction is required if the encoder wants to change capa= city.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -334,6 +334,10 @@ them.  However, stream types which could modify the state or semantics of
 existing protocol components, including QPACK or other extensions, MUST NOT be
 sent until the peer is known to support them.
 
+A sender can close or reset a unidirectional stream unless specified otherwise.

https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=unless+specified+otherwise%2C+unless+otherwise+specified&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cunless%20specified%20otherwise%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cunless%20otherwise%20specified%3B%2Cc0

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -334,6 +334,10 @@ them.  However, stream types which could modify the state or semantics of
 existing protocol components, including QPACK or other extensions, MUST NOT be
 sent until the peer is known to support them.
 
+A sender can close or reset a unidirectional stream unless specified otherwise.

Interesting data, but it doesn't argue strongly either direction. One is vastly more common but having a decline, while the other is uncommon but gaining.

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Part of me wants to be more specific about what the preferred client behavior, but I realize you're being flexible intentionally, and I think that's ok in the end.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2116,6 +2116,9 @@ packets.
 A server conveys a preferred address by including the preferred_address
 transport parameter in the TLS handshake.
 
+Servers MAY communicate a preferred address of each address family (IPv4 and

Re-reading this PR, I think its workable as is, but this might read better if this paragraph was merged into the next paragraph and the next paragraph was updated to something like: "one of the servers preferred addresses using..."

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----==_mimepart_5c3ced069323a_2b6e3ffdbacd45b81041d0-- From nobody Mon Jan 14 12:14:11 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8095B13128F for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2019 12:14:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.552 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.552 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CK7UrLuHD25N for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2019 12:14:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 19F0C13128A for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2019 12:14:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 12:14:06 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547496846; bh=9U7CjgZEynqX4hqf9QccTiA970PxPxzF8Nyxpxa1+Q8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=TI5EU9ApW0eKt3dW021cCellNtnreCilaipsONMW+bVzJDL2zNCFGmIzVq5bZBcYB m294ySxaypVaXa+a+Ttn/BXVYTKDTp+AOr8ec/yjuEv7lbahbAsawe+DHGbrQ053FU 2/5sSxpuBQr0kPLl6SqD7HZK9OkQvnNKai3wfZeg= From: David Schinazi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow servers to send a preferred address of each address family (#2296) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c3ced8ee6cca_1e073ff662cd45b82062d5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DavidSchinazi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 20:14:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c3ced8ee6cca_1e073ff662cd45b82062d5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @ianswett I think migration and preferred address are separate parts of the protocol. The goal of this PR is to improve preferred address. It allows the client to pick the address family it transfers to right after the handshake. If the server only provides you with a preferred address family you don't have access to, you can simply ignore it - and that's not new from this PR. I've slightly tweaked the text to clarify how clients respond to preferred_address. Does this address your concerns? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2296#issuecomment-454145541 ----==_mimepart_5c3ced8ee6cca_1e073ff662cd45b82062d5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@ianswett I think migration and preferred address are sepa= rate parts of the protocol. The goal of this PR is to improve preferred a= ddress. It allows the client to pick the address family it transfers to r= ight after the handshake. If the server only provides you with a preferre= d address family you don't have access to, you can simply ignore it - and= that's not new from this PR. I've slightly tweaked the text to clarify h= ow clients respond to preferred_address. Does this address your concerns?=

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -334,6 +334,10 @@ them.  However, stream types which could modify the state or semantics of
 existing protocol components, including QPACK or other extensions, MUST NOT be
 sent until the peer is known to support them.
 
+A sender can close or reset a unidirectional stream unless specified otherwise.

Thank you for the suggestion and the discussion. I've applied the suggested fix assuming that @LPardue would not complain "unless otherwise specified" to be incorrect.

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Section 4.2 of the Invariant Short header are not explicit that the Destionation CID follows the first byte:

"A QUIC packet with a short header includes a Destination Connection ID. The short header does not include the Connection ID Lengths, Source Connection ID, or Version fields."

As see it just says that the destination CID is part of the short header, not where to find it.

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----==_mimepart_5c3dd5ffffdd_d773feb50ed45c4224053-- From nobody Tue Jan 15 04:51:55 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B466130E46 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2019 04:51:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.935 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x3RBeiKpj4QO for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2019 04:51:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 50499130DE3 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2019 04:51:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 04:51:50 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547556710; bh=YtwS66YdH5/FqwC2wzJS/mazpjI/cUeom03Mcqb+njo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ELp8/1r7pZR8A1xSXINspXziz+djazXG6FvxqQFcF7DVGGRd0HWF3I/oA1FkBukDv XW2Z3uKLBNRVKN21dbzhg7b32WctkJJyLG2rmmP/r40/++qUtEcKYJEgg3Fw/7lxM4 ZryDHg2aOK5JGqizdeKMagQuf38Bs8D7Zjkfttu8= From: Magnus Westerlund Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Invariants: Unclarity in short headers (#2335) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c3dd76640877_305f3fb2422d45b8131933"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gloinul X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 12:51:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c3dd76640877_305f3fb2422d45b8131933 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Also the length of the DCID in the short header is unclear. With the long header's restriction on both source and destination CID I don't think the CID is of arbitrary length as stated in Section 4.3. I think it is 0 to 18 bytes long as set agreed by the connection. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2335#issuecomment-454381750 ----==_mimepart_5c3dd76640877_305f3fb2422d45b8131933 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Also the length of the DCID in the short header is unclear. With the long header's restriction on both source and destination CID I don't think the CID is of arbitrary length as stated in Section 4.3. I think it is 0 to 18 bytes long as set agreed by the connection.

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I'd like to propose opening this for discussion once more.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -999,6 +996,18 @@ paces the sending of any packets in excess of the initial congestion window.
 A sender MAY implement alternate mechanisms to update its congestion window
 after idle periods, such as those proposed for TCP in {{?RFC7661}}.
 
+## Application Limited Sending
+
+The congestion window should not be increased in slow start or congestion
+avoidance when it is not fully utilized.  The congestion window could be
+under-utilized due to insufficient application data to send or flow control
+limits.
+
+When the sender is pacing(see {{pacing}}) packets, the sender may be unable
+to use the full congestion window for a period of time after receiving an
+ACK, due to pacing.  In this case, the sender should not consider themselves

I think I mean ACK, as in the frame?

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -999,6 +996,18 @@ paces the sending of any packets in excess of the initial congestion window.
 A sender MAY implement alternate mechanisms to update its congestion window
 after idle periods, such as those proposed for TCP in {{?RFC7661}}.
 
+## Application Limited Sending
+
+The congestion window should not be increased in slow start or congestion
+avoidance when it is not fully utilized.  The congestion window could be
+under-utilized due to insufficient application data to send or flow control
+limits.
+
+When the sender is pacing(see {{pacing}}) packets, the sender may be unable
+to use the full congestion window for a period of time after receiving an
+ACK, due to pacing.  In this case, the sender should not consider themselves
+application limited and should allow the congestion window to increase.

SG, maybe @janaiyengar or @nibanks will have a suggestion?

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@nibanks commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -999,6 +996,18 @@ paces the sending of any packets in excess of the initial congestion window.
 A sender MAY implement alternate mechanisms to update its congestion window
 after idle periods, such as those proposed for TCP in {{?RFC7661}}.
 
+## Application Limited Sending
+
+The congestion window should not be increased in slow start or congestion
+avoidance when it is not fully utilized.  The congestion window could be
+under-utilized due to insufficient application data to send or flow control
+limits.
+
+When the sender is pacing(see {{pacing}}) packets, the sender may be unable
+to use the full congestion window for a period of time after receiving an
+ACK, due to pacing.  In this case, the sender should not consider themselves
+application limited and should allow the congestion window to increase.

Maybe it's just a case of too much detail. I think folks should understand that just because a pacing interval has currently been used up, that's not considered application limited? So, maybe, just don't have this at all?

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I am not sure where this stack of SHOULDs leaves us.

There is one MUST, which is that we MUST ack within max_ack_delay.

Beyond that, receivers:
SHOULD NOT ack every packet
SHOULD ack every other packet.
SHOULD immediately ack if OOO
MAY immediately ack subsequent packets, but
SHOULD NOT do it for a whole RTT.

The MAY seems a little redundant; it is clearly authorized by the lack of any MUSTs. I think you are trying to say "receivers SHOULD immediately ack an OOO packet and the next few packets after that to improve the chance of delivery". Maybe just say that?

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
 Out-of-order packets SHOULD be acknowledged more quickly, in order to accelerate
 loss recovery.  The receiver SHOULD send an immediate ACK when it receives a new
-packet which is not one greater than the largest received packet number.
+packet which is not the next expected one. That is, its packet number is not one
+greater than the largest received packet number.  A receiver MAY immediately
+ack subsequent packets after first receiving a packet out of order. A receiver
+SHOULD NOT send an immediate ACK any time there is a gap in the ACK frame,

the ACK frame it is sending, or the ACK it is receiving? I think you mean the ACK frame it's sending, but it took me a couple of readings to get it.

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The current text is fine as a normative spec. The point of the issue, = though, is to provide some suggestions on how to pick the "retransmitted = unacknowledged data". It is not certainly not obvious to me how this logi= c should go.

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I think 'kPacketThreshold' is the ideal value of 'few' in my comment above. Maybe this should become an optional transport parameter?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
 Out-of-order packets SHOULD be acknowledged more quickly, in order to accelerate
 loss recovery.  The receiver SHOULD send an immediate ACK when it receives a new
-packet which is not one greater than the largest received packet number.
+packet which is not the next expected one. That is, its packet number is not one
+greater than the largest received packet number.  A receiver MAY immediately
+ack subsequent packets after first receiving a packet out of order. A receiver
+SHOULD NOT send an immediate ACK any time there is a gap in the ACK frame,

Clarified.

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Previously this said immediately ack 3 packets, but that assumes kReor= deringThreshold is always 3, which seems like a poor choice.

Given we now say you should declare a packet lost based on time or pac= ket reordering threshold, I expect most people will implement an adaptive= packet reordering threshold, so even if we added a transport param, I th= ink that's a lower bound?

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@ianswett good point; I return to the position of my comment before last.

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  • 3a0b08c Revert changes to the invariants

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I've now reverted the part of this proposal that changed the invariants. It now simply removes VN from v1.

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Thanks, I think this is heading in the right direction. I'd like it to = be cleaner, but this isn't a clean mechanism.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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> @@ -699,6 +703,9 @@ Pseudocode for OnAckRece=
ived and UpdateRtt follow:=0D
     largest_acked_packet =3D max(largest_acked_packet,=0D
                                ack.largest_acked)=0D
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+    if (from Handshake packet):=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-    if (from Handshake packet):=0D
+    if (ack from Handshake packet):=0D
=0D =0D =0D
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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

=0D 
> @@ -699,6 +703,9 @@ Pseudocode for OnAckRece=
ived and UpdateRtt follow:=0D
     largest_acked_packet =3D max(largest_acked_packet,=0D
                                ack.largest_acked)=0D
 =0D
+    if (from Handshake packet):=0D
=0D

Can you add a short comment like "Once the client receives an ACK in a H= andshake packet, it knows the server considers its address verified."?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

=0D 
> @@ -823,6 +831,12 @@ Pseudocode for OnLossDe=
tectionTimeout follows:=0D
        // Crypto retransmission timeout.=0D
        RetransmitUnackedCryptoData()=0D
        crypto_count++=0D
+     else if (unverified_client):=0D
+       if (handshake keys available)=0D
+         SendOnePacket()=0D
+       else:=0D
+         SendPaddedPacket()=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-         SendPaddedPacket()=0D
+         SendOnePaddedPacket()=0D
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@kazuho I think we should do something, because in this case th= e CFIN would be in-flight, and that would cause only the handshake timer = to be active in the recovery draft, even if the CFIN is no longer ACK-abl= e.

Even without HANDSHAKE_DONE, anytime you receive a 1-RTT ACK, you can = assume all Handshake data has been received and no longer needs retransmi= ssion, so you can drop the Handshake send keys. That's a unilateral acti= on that the peer doesn't need to be aware of I believe, as long as it's o= nly the send keys being dropped and not receive.

We could advise coalescing a 1-RTT PING with a Handshake timeout retra= nsmission if 1-RTT send keys are available and also advise to consider al= l Handshake data delivered once a 1-RTT ACK is received and processed?

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= ----==_mimepart_5c3e5fcb82b43_22663fdd4f6d45b8258246-- From nobody Tue Jan 15 14:46:12 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A56F130F33 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2019 14:45:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.007 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.007 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mReeMyxVrvgD for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2019 14:45:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 763AB130F2A for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2019 14:45:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 14:45:56 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547592356; bh=DBuMjwZZgKyVqNg+ZTlNvVisggZLnAU46fW1Zs/Robg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=J1eg7qbOBV5kAaFx5qlo6J1coz06+yCiaW3Ap524ZshF002JzGpyXjqx2fi/xzbI/ kaHtfzwK5UpUwCrxb7FaVBXnPcXpW34RbY5UqlNEOr2crZCAaCZGdch4WnFtlANwku Js07QNou7z4Djqflpijzm3yy+nJSp+sZBDvvj3OA= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] persistent congestion is more aggressive than RTO verified (#2255) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c3e62a447af8_6b93fe390cd45c090663"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 22:46:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c3e62a447af8_6b93fe390cd45c090663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm removing design. I consider this a bug fix, but still very important. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2255#issuecomment-454581225 ----==_mimepart_5c3e62a447af8_6b93fe390cd45c090663 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'm removing design. I consider this a bug fix, but still very important.

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See #2293 which I believe fixes the text.

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In light of #2293, I think this is OBE?

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Now that the draft has moved to PTO from TLP/RTO, if you'd like to make a specific proposal, it'd be a good time.

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@kazuho I don't see anyone objecting to that approach, is there some text you'd like added to one of the drafts?

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If you want errors on underflow:

    if lr > max_value and lr >=3D full_range:
        lr -=3D full_range

becomes

    if lr > max_value:
        if lr < full_range:
            throw!
        lr -=3D full_range

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Yes, DCID follows the first octet, and we should say that.

As for the length, 0/4-18 is a restriction that we agreed applies only to long headers. You can - if the QUIC version allows it - negotiate other lengths for connection IDs using other methods.

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If we're going to resolve this, it needs an issue. Because we're discussing issues there. This one seems contentious.

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----==_mimepart_5c3e76e863143_4dcb3f89558d45b413873c-- From nobody Tue Jan 15 16:14:01 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98437126F72 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2019 16:13:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TgGkelKZre70 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2019 16:13:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 126AA126C01 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2019 16:13:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 16:13:56 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547597636; bh=1ko062Dz7qSGCRB8CYRKhsI+M9UuO4swSOCD3jn8Tk8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=t7APnjI0bjT/pzQBJ/PluXX3xSLQYwn9QVr3NwITj6dC/rG1ftgM/+b8+sNmXu1jy gwLJSP/5sJLw80FwV2SYsQvZfv/kObcPUQlUOtl2QV3Zs1zAip4yMswVzXf5oTf1ik TVO2NPKFxa+3oFnqoR+zyj8GhsHOwUjxPj8OqfS8= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] One Retry/VN per UDP datagram (#2303) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c3e7744d41d7_62cb3ff4d40d45b8113540"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 00:14:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c3e7744d41d7_62cb3ff4d40d45b8113540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think this PR addresses the amplification problem directly, by tying the number of response datagrams to the number of incoming datagrams, so I am in favor of this PR as a spec solution. @marten-seemann : quic-go can still choose to drop datagrams with a large (> 3?) coalesced packets, which might help you (slightly). I agree with @kazuho also that since all coalesced packets are supposed to go to the same connection, the implementation would be better aligned if it were to pass the datagram along to the connection instead of the individual packets... but that's an impl choice, and it's certainly not the only way to do this. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2303#issuecomment-454601267 ----==_mimepart_5c3e7744d41d7_62cb3ff4d40d45b8113540 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think this PR addresses the amplification problem directly, by tying= the number of response datagrams to the number of incoming datagrams, so= I am in favor of this PR as a spec solution.

@marten-seemann : quic-go can still choose to drop da= tagrams with a large (> 3?) coalesced packets, which might help you (s= lightly). I agree with @kazuho also that since all coalesced packet= s are supposed to go to the same connection, the implementation would be = better aligned if it were to pass the datagram along to the connection in= stead of the individual packets... but that's an impl choice, and it's ce= rtainly not the only way to do this.

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Closed #2259 via #2303.

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----==_mimepart_5c3e778a7453_47b83f866a8d45c012932b-- From nobody Tue Jan 15 16:17:45 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6107512867A for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2019 16:17:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.552 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.552 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XslxwYPBuy6B for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2019 16:17:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D550D126C01 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2019 16:17:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 16:17:40 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547597860; bh=fEe87gsAL7TGfASuKe3ccMmljqETF+jkErIiEK61DPk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=FcTQb/w4+apY3FV0To84GXbeNUoBkTfjmE49HEJuaxqeB95cqA01WE6l02YAsHtPR cKfZyMbhA+Lg7QJii8cWre3SrpchkFntdRP55ahgXuiHr/iIyPxRqpkyxx7i70HPwa 6nMThNQA4JFQXwQZUrgRgx+n3PBvaEEQZAIhe3PA= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] persistent congestion is more aggressive than RTO verified (#2255) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c3e7824c10d7_4d653f89558d45b41873e0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 00:17:43 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c3e7824c10d7_4d653f89558d45b41873e0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been using `design` to mark things that will result in changes that affect implementations. This would seem to fit that description. Whether you consider it worth discussing is different. If it isn't worth discussing, maybe it will just be fixed by #2293 and everything will be fine without discussion in Tokyo. WIthout the label, this won't make the change log, and that might be a problem. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2255#issuecomment-454602051 ----==_mimepart_5c3e7824c10d7_4d653f89558d45b41873e0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I've been using design to mark things that will result in= changes that affect implementations. This would seem to fit that descri= ption. Whether you consider it worth discussing is different. If it isn= 't worth discussing, maybe it will just be fixed by #2293 an= d everything will be fine without discussion in Tokyo.

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Fair point, I think #2293 fixes the text, but I'll re-label this as design to ensure it's included in the changelogs.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -699,6 +703,9 @@ Pseudocode for OnAckReceived and UpdateRtt follow:
     largest_acked_packet = max(largest_acked_packet,
                                ack.largest_acked)
 
+    if (from Handshake packet):

I don't think that we should be using acknowledgments to drive state at this level. I realize that this is less optimal, but I don't think that we need this variable.

The client can know that it is unverified if it is sending Initial packets and not Handshake (or greater). That should be enough. As for the test in SetLossDetectionTimer() or LossDetectionTimeout(), how is it possible for a crypto packet to be in flight, where this condition would be true?

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Closes #2259. 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A server conveys a preferred address by including the preferred_address transport parameter in the TLS handshake. -Once the handshake is finished, the client SHOULD initiate path validation (see -{{migrate-validate}}) of the server's preferred address using the connection ID -provided in the preferred_address transport parameter. +Servers MAY communicate a preferred address of each address family (IPv4 and +IPv6) to allow clients to pick the one most suited to their network attachment. After all our discussion, the question I have here is whether this preferred address might be used for a migating client. Say I use v6 now, but then migrate to a network that doesn't have v6. Is it acceptable for me to use the v6 preferred address during that migration? The text here is silent on that point. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2116,9 +2116,13 @@ packets.
 A server conveys a preferred address by including the preferred_address
 transport parameter in the TLS handshake.
 
-Once the handshake is finished, the client SHOULD initiate path validation (see
-{{migrate-validate}}) of the server's preferred address using the connection ID
-provided in the preferred_address transport parameter.
+Servers MAY communicate a preferred address of each address family (IPv4 and
+IPv6) to allow clients to pick the one most suited to their network attachment.

After all our discussion, the question I have here is whether this preferred address might be used for a migating client. Say I use v6 now, but then migrate to a network that doesn't have v6. Is it acceptable for me to use the v6 preferred address during that migration? The text here is silent on that point.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -999,6 +996,18 @@ paces the sending of any packets in excess of the initial congestion window.
 A sender MAY implement alternate mechanisms to update its congestion window
 after idle periods, such as those proposed for TCP in {{?RFC7661}}.
 
+## Application Limited Sending
+
+The congestion window should not be increased in slow start or congestion
+avoidance when it is not fully utilized.  The congestion window could be
+under-utilized due to insufficient application data to send or flow control
+limits.
+
+When the sender is pacing(see {{pacing}}) packets, the sender may be unable
+to use the full congestion window for a period of time after receiving an
+ACK, due to pacing.  In this case, the sender should not consider themselves

You need more than an ACK, you need one that contains fresh acknowledgments, right?

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A few comments, editorial. > +When 0-RTT is rejected, recovery state for all in-flight 0-RTT packets is +discarded. + +If a server accepts 0-RTT, but does not buffer 0-RTT packets that arrive +before Initial packets, early 0-RTT packets will be declared lost, but that +is expected to be infrequent. + +#### Ignoring Loss of Undecryptable Packets This doesn't belong here. You want this in the CC section. > @@ -427,15 +445,34 @@ packet is received. The client MAY use this value to seed the RTT estimator for a subsequent connection attempt to the server. -#### Discarding Initial State {#discard-initial} +#### Discarding Keys and Packet State {#discarding-packets} + +When packet protection keys are discarded (see Section 4.9 of {{QUIC-TLS}}), +recovery state for all in-flight packets sent with those keys is discarded. I think a slight restructure might help make this text clearer. I've also rephrased some. "When packet protection keys are discarded (see Section 4.9 of {{QUIC-TLS}}), all packets that were sent with those keys can no longer be acknowledged because their acknowledgements cannot be processed anymore. The sender considers them no longer in flight. That is, the sender SHOULD discard all recovery state associated with those packets and MUST remove them from the count of bytes in flight. As described in Section 17.5.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}, endpoints stop sending and receiving Initial packets once they start exchanging Handshake packets. At this point, recovery state for all in-flight Initial packets is discarded. When 0-RTT is rejected, recovery state for all in-flight 0-RTT packets is discarded. If a server accepts 0-RTT, but does not buffer 0-RTT packets that arrive before Initial packets, early 0-RTT packets will be declared lost, but that is expected to be infrequent. It is expected that keys are discarded after packets encrypted with them would be acknowledged or declared lost, with the exception of Initial secrets, which might destroyed earlier." > @@ -427,15 +445,34 @@ packet is received. The client MAY use this value to seed the RTT estimator for a subsequent connection attempt to the server. -#### Discarding Initial State {#discard-initial} +#### Discarding Keys and Packet State {#discarding-packets} + +When packet protection keys are discarded (see Section 4.9 of {{QUIC-TLS}}), +recovery state for all in-flight packets sent with those keys is discarded. +The packets are removed from the count of bytes in flight and no +acknowledgements or loss events will occur for those packets. Note that it +is expected that keys are discarded after those packets would be declared lost, +but Initial secrets are destroyed earlier. I don't understand this last sentence. Can you rephrase? > +When 0-RTT is rejected, recovery state for all in-flight 0-RTT packets is +discarded. + +If a server accepts 0-RTT, but does not buffer 0-RTT packets that arrive +before Initial packets, early 0-RTT packets will be declared lost, but that +is expected to be infrequent. + +#### Ignoring Loss of Undecryptable Packets + +During the handshake, some packet protection keys might not be +available when a packet arrives. In particular, Handshake and 0-RTT packets +can't be processed until the Initial flight arrives and 1-RTT packets ```suggestion cannot be processed until the Initial packets arrive, and 1-RTT packets ``` > +When 0-RTT is rejected, recovery state for all in-flight 0-RTT packets is +discarded. + +If a server accepts 0-RTT, but does not buffer 0-RTT packets that arrive +before Initial packets, early 0-RTT packets will be declared lost, but that +is expected to be infrequent. + +#### Ignoring Loss of Undecryptable Packets + +During the handshake, some packet protection keys might not be +available when a packet arrives. In particular, Handshake and 0-RTT packets +can't be processed until the Initial flight arrives and 1-RTT packets +can't be processed until the handshake completes. Endpoints MAY ```suggestion cannot be processed until the handshake completes. Endpoints MAY ``` > +When 0-RTT is rejected, recovery state for all in-flight 0-RTT packets is +discarded. + +If a server accepts 0-RTT, but does not buffer 0-RTT packets that arrive +before Initial packets, early 0-RTT packets will be declared lost, but that +is expected to be infrequent. + +#### Ignoring Loss of Undecryptable Packets + +During the handshake, some packet protection keys might not be +available when a packet arrives. In particular, Handshake and 0-RTT packets +can't be processed until the Initial flight arrives and 1-RTT packets +can't be processed until the handshake completes. Endpoints MAY +ignore the loss of Handshake, 0-RTT, and 1-RTT packets that arrive before the ```suggestion ignore the loss of Handshake, 0-RTT, and 1-RTT packets that might arrive before the ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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A few comments, editorial.

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+If a server accepts 0-RTT, but does not buffer 0-RTT packets that arrive=
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+before Initial packets, early 0-RTT packets will be declared lost, but t=
hat=0D
+is expected to be infrequent.=0D
+=0D
+#### Ignoring Loss of Undecryptable Packets=0D
=0D

This doesn't belong here. You want this in the CC section.

=0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

=0D 
> @@ -427,15 +445,34 @@ packet is received. =
 The client MAY use this value to seed the RTT estimator for=0D
 a subsequent connection attempt to the server.=0D
 =0D
 =0D
-#### Discarding Initial State {#discard-initial}=0D
+#### Discarding Keys and Packet State {#discarding-packets}=0D
+=0D
+When packet protection keys are discarded (see Section 4.9 of {{QUIC-TLS=
}}),=0D
+recovery state for all in-flight packets sent with those keys is discard=
ed.=0D
=0D

I think a slight restructure might help make this text clearer. I've a= lso rephrased some.

=0D

"When packet protection keys are discarded (see Section 4.9 of {{QUIC-= TLS}}),
=0D all packets that were sent with those keys can no longer be acknowledged = because
=0D their acknowledgements cannot be processed anymore. The sender considers = them
=0D no longer in flight. That is, the sender SHOULD discard all recovery sta= te associated
=0D with those packets and MUST remove them from the count of bytes in flight= .

=0D

As described in Section 17.5.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}, endpoints stop s= ending and
=0D receiving Initial packets once they start exchanging Handshake packets. = At this
=0D point, recovery state for all in-flight Initial packets is discarded.

= =0D

When 0-RTT is rejected, recovery state for all in-flight 0-RTT packets= is
=0D discarded.

=0D

If a server accepts 0-RTT, but does not buffer 0-RTT packets that arri= ve
=0D before Initial packets, early 0-RTT packets will be declared lost, but th= at
=0D is expected to be infrequent.

=0D

It is expected that keys are discarded after packets encrypted with th= em would be
=0D acknowledged or declared lost, with the exception of Initial secrets, whi= ch might
=0D destroyed earlier."

=0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

=0D 
> @@ -427,15 +445,34 @@ packet is received. =
 The client MAY use this value to seed the RTT estimator for=0D
 a subsequent connection attempt to the server.=0D
 =0D
 =0D
-#### Discarding Initial State {#discard-initial}=0D
+#### Discarding Keys and Packet State {#discarding-packets}=0D
+=0D
+When packet protection keys are discarded (see Section 4.9 of {{QUIC-TLS=
}}),=0D
+recovery state for all in-flight packets sent with those keys is discard=
ed.=0D
+The packets are removed from the count of bytes in flight and no=0D
+acknowledgements or loss events will occur for those packets.  Note that=
 it=0D
+is expected that keys are discarded after those packets would be declare=
d lost,=0D
+but Initial secrets are destroyed earlier.=0D
=0D

I don't understand this last sentence. Can you rephrase?

=0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

=0D 
>  =0D
+When 0-RTT is rejected, recovery state for all in-flight 0-RTT packets i=
s=0D
+discarded.=0D
+=0D
+If a server accepts 0-RTT, but does not buffer 0-RTT packets that arrive=
=0D
+before Initial packets, early 0-RTT packets will be declared lost, but t=
hat=0D
+is expected to be infrequent.=0D
+=0D
+#### Ignoring Loss of Undecryptable Packets=0D
+=0D
+During the handshake, some packet protection keys might not be=0D
+available when a packet arrives. In particular, Handshake and 0-RTT pack=
ets=0D
+can't be processed until the Initial flight arrives and 1-RTT packet=
s=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-can't be processed until the Initial flight a=
rrives and 1-RTT packets=0D
+cannot be processed until the Initial packets arrive, and 1-RTT packets=0D=
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

=0D 
>  =0D
+When 0-RTT is rejected, recovery state for all in-flight 0-RTT packets i=
s=0D
+discarded.=0D
+=0D
+If a server accepts 0-RTT, but does not buffer 0-RTT packets that arrive=
=0D
+before Initial packets, early 0-RTT packets will be declared lost, but t=
hat=0D
+is expected to be infrequent.=0D
+=0D
+#### Ignoring Loss of Undecryptable Packets=0D
+=0D
+During the handshake, some packet protection keys might not be=0D
+available when a packet arrives. In particular, Handshake and 0-RTT pack=
ets=0D
+can't be processed until the Initial flight arrives and 1-RTT packet=
s=0D
+can't be processed until the handshake completes.  Endpoints MAY=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-can't be processed until the handshake comple=
tes.  Endpoints MAY=0D
+cannot be processed until the handshake completes.  Endpoints MAY=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

=0D 
>  =0D
+When 0-RTT is rejected, recovery state for all in-flight 0-RTT packets i=
s=0D
+discarded.=0D
+=0D
+If a server accepts 0-RTT, but does not buffer 0-RTT packets that arrive=
=0D
+before Initial packets, early 0-RTT packets will be declared lost, but t=
hat=0D
+is expected to be infrequent.=0D
+=0D
+#### Ignoring Loss of Undecryptable Packets=0D
+=0D
+During the handshake, some packet protection keys might not be=0D
+available when a packet arrives. In particular, Handshake and 0-RTT pack=
ets=0D
+can't be processed until the Initial flight arrives and 1-RTT packet=
s=0D
+can't be processed until the handshake completes.  Endpoints MAY=0D
+ignore the loss of Handshake, 0-RTT, and 1-RTT packets that arrive befor=
e the=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-ignore the loss of Handshake, 0-RTT, and 1-RT=
T packets that arrive before the=0D
+ignore the loss of Handshake, 0-RTT, and 1-RTT packets that might arrive=
 before the=0D
=0D =0D =0D

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -699,6 +703,9 @@ Pseudocode for OnAckReceived and UpdateRtt follow:
     largest_acked_packet = max(largest_acked_packet,
                                ack.largest_acked)
 
+    if (from Handshake packet):

The client can know that it is unverified if it is sending Initial packets and not Handshake (or greater).

That's not true, though: the client doesn't know it's been validated until it's seen an ACK using Handshake keys (or greater). The server needs to see a Handshake packet to validate the client, and until the client's seen such an ACK it can't be sure that any Handshake packets it might have sent so far weren't lost.

As for the test in SetLossDetectionTimer() or LossDetectionTimeout(), how is it possible for a crypto packet to be in flight, where this condition would be true?

I'm not sure I understand the question. The tests in those functions are to ensure that a client sends packets to either earn anti-amplification credit or validate its address even when it has no information to send.

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Added @ianswett's tweaks and relaxed the validation check slightly, since a client could conceivably receive a 1-RTT ACK before a Handshake ACK due to even a single packet's worth of reordering.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -699,6 +703,9 @@ Pseudocode for OnAckReceived and UpdateRtt follow:
     largest_acked_packet = max(largest_acked_packet,
                                ack.largest_acked)
 
+    if (from Handshake packet):

Sorry, I should proof-read these. I should have said that the client can assume that it is unverified for longer than it actually is. The cost, for a client that is sending Handshake packets is small and for Initial packets, the time is well bounded.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -699,6 +703,9 @@ Pseudocode for OnAckReceived and UpdateRtt follow:
     largest_acked_packet = max(largest_acked_packet,
                                ack.largest_acked)
 
+    if (from Handshake packet):

Are you suggesting that we ditch unverified_client in favor of checking whether the endpoint is a client that doesn't yet have 1-RTT? I think that works as a simplification, if I'm understanding correctly.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -699,6 +703,9 @@ Pseudocode for OnAckReceived and UpdateRtt follow:
     largest_acked_packet = max(largest_acked_packet,
                                ack.largest_acked)
 
+    if (from Handshake packet):

I think that works. For the most part "do I have crypto packets in flight" covers the rest of it. Though "in flight" might be wrong, and it might be better as "are any crypto packets that I have sent, but are unacknowledged".

The cost is that the client might keep this timer well past the point it is needed when acknowledgments are lost, but the simplification is pretty big.

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----==_mimepart_5c3eb239c5bb4_1eac3f90902d45b4702c4-- From nobody Tue Jan 15 22:54:05 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6BF91310EB for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2019 22:54:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ljLlN6UyR8-b for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2019 22:54:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1D86812F1AC for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2019 22:54:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 22:54:00 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547621640; bh=BZZLLSg/OYNNwbgDK6geYrpI1LEJ963ByhMn4gjLPOI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=U7h8dsQFv5G32DD1E+ay1TTitABLbIbR27lq6rJZLwoaiddpLnpojjhxqb95rQ3iE 488f9hK3qC1eKMtIL11/3TvwMODPqQ8e6Bn0U3fgAAkL2Ku72Pv1y6tiHkvZRMvWDN J10tZNsEYMA6nXxORItGjxkr2KWn1ztJs0K+yTYA= From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] consider making the varint encoding unique (#2299) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c3ed508d8202_3ee3f7e630d45b457737d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 06:54:04 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c3ed508d8202_3ee3f7e630d45b457737d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm OK with closing, but it is *not* difficult to know how long a packet number will need to be, and to leave space for it. ``` The sender MUST use a packet number size able to represent more than twice as large a range than the difference between the largest acknowledged packet and packet number being sent. ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2299#issuecomment-454672073 ----==_mimepart_5c3ed508d8202_3ee3f7e630d45b457737d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm OK with closing, but it is not difficult to know how long= a packet number will need to be, and to leave space for it.

   The sender MUST use a packet number size able to represent =
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= ----==_mimepart_5c3ed508d8202_3ee3f7e630d45b457737d-- From nobody Tue Jan 15 23:13:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ECBA1310ED for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2019 23:13:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3ceL2O09R8mc for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2019 23:13:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 78E9B12F1AC for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2019 23:13:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 23:13:53 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547622833; bh=+rZ5TkMLK0NtGNpoJ+dhQJZol+s12kY2eQT01ZUYMNo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Q03TIOensy9Wb14CVoh44rfE9OYX4ctGAesZ1nc+NrOSOJY2L/1WQBwOJky+ed0Xv H7CZfWCtzMhu1rBNBwn78QVUb4MYx5Zalgfot4vplrFChu6H+VI/TGlkjXyke9UXIO FrazbCToGLMxUaOSvRUpxCYvimKgP8DLsL7JEoGU= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] loss of only two packets can lead to an unrecoverable situation (#2267) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c3ed9b161b06_7f893f991ead45c035887c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 07:13:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c3ed9b161b06_7f893f991ead45c035887c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If we want to drop handshake keys, it has to be coordinated with the peer in a standard way. For example, we could update the spec and say that handshake keys are expected to be dropped after the first 1RTT ack has been received (client side) or the first 1RTT-protected packet has been received (server side). That will work because it compels both peers to do implicit acks. But without stating that in the standard, no, you cannot do it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2267#issuecomment-454676071 ----==_mimepart_5c3ed9b161b06_7f893f991ead45c035887c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

If we want to drop handshake keys, it has to be coordinated with the p= eer in a standard way. For example, we could update the spec and say that= handshake keys are expected to be dropped after the first 1RTT ack has b= een received (client side) or the first 1RTT-protected packet has been re= ceived (server side). That will work because it compels both peers to do = implicit acks. But without stating that in the standard, no, you cannot d= o it.

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@larseggert The problem is with formatting ACK frames in-place.

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----==_mimepart_5c3ef3484cbf6_780d3fce0e4d45c49157ba-- From nobody Wed Jan 16 01:13:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 755CF131063 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 01:13:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eYZzHeV-iAPj for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 01:13:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 158AA12F1A5 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 01:13:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=HOZPsLRYSt15jJRPZaL6zowo9fU=; b=wR/9/CJSKdh9W1Pp xv3MqZ0qfhJ75P/oEnb/4r+uRsHa3beBUOZhfRwiCK0NlJ3IOKdqzKX6H/4Q237M ieyTlaq+RyI4pBJ5LKNviBwCo15uzT3/LBfc1m41tZfghxXEzJgwZIFKTMRT96U1 85WKVFmc+vPAaUPvqgTTe8ttUIM= Received: by filter1240p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1240p1las1-11745-5C3EF5D1-1 2019-01-16 09:13:53.091812999 +0000 UTC m=+120098.629036734 Received: from github-lowworker-4f62d42.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.35]) by ismtpd0010p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id yD_8sVkwRBSE_gRsJ6hRVA for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 09:13:52.945 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-4f62d42.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4FDDC2786 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 01:13:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 09:13:53 +0000 (UTC) From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] How many datagrams can a client send prior to validating the path? (#2135) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c3ef5d0e3279_7e1f3ff05f4d45c413219f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2mmgVMy3HebykF9vVHfFWN/IK4PTls3oC+D2 APMNdHyCRUMYgf+TyU5SDdLG0IextnSPmQvNfF1LP4ieRasIgjwqsj/Ov6+X8YmAi6LB/e8vWgBEAJ C1cOPw/ajPFfwMa285EG2ZHqEsSCJAStrwubnS87elIkGCXMXzNVBf3hVA== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 09:13:55 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c3ef5d0e3279_7e1f3ff05f4d45c413219f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was thinking: The client creates a valid connection. Then initiates a migration to a new path that it does not own for the sole purpose of DoS'ing some other poor individual. While there is a setup cost, the migration can be repeated for the same or different targets until the peer decides it is enough and closes. How is the initial CWND sufficient protection against that? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2135#issuecomment-454706369 ----==_mimepart_5c3ef5d0e3279_7e1f3ff05f4d45c413219f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I was thinking:

The client creates a valid connection. Then initiates a migration to a n= ew path that it does not own for the sole purpose of DoS'ing some other poo= r individual. While there is a setup cost, the migration can be repeated fo= r the same or different targets until the peer decides it is enough and clo= ses.

How is the initial CWND sufficient protection against that?

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In another context it was mentioned to perhaps coalesce a packet with a ping frame to prevent deadlock in handshake AFAIR. While I prefer to have the minimum framing in the handshake, a requirement to coalesce does not appear simpler.

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Depends on your data structures. My ACKing code doesn't have this issue.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -427,15 +445,34 @@ packet is received.  The client MAY use this value to seed the RTT estimator for
 a subsequent connection attempt to the server.
 
 
-#### Discarding Initial State {#discard-initial}
+#### Discarding Keys and Packet State {#discarding-packets}
+
+When packet protection keys are discarded (see Section 4.9 of {{QUIC-TLS}}),
+recovery state for all in-flight packets sent with those keys is discarded.
+The packets are removed from the count of bytes in flight and no
+acknowledgements or loss events will occur for those packets.  Note that it
+is expected that keys are discarded after those packets would be declared lost,
+but Initial secrets are destroyed earlier.

IIUC this refers to the provision in https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-tls.html#rfc.section.4.10. Maybe it's worth adding a reference.

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----==_mimepart_5c3f1c2c7cd9a_438f3fb69a8d45c417019f-- From nobody Wed Jan 16 06:38:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC696130E5F for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 06:38:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.007 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.007 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rVAHNrN75F_B for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 06:38:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D98DA130E46 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 06:38:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=LF9dl57bYuyTljueHhITx+V9lYA=; b=R1dRbPJ84x3fLm/w am4upacYM1fTrvGhhwHSJb56SAiq26nG+58OKdfqrudP5SVdGy1u/lNjcm4YvzSz lOxg1yE97ZdfV0V2OiieUaevurDclqG/p3r1ATwZVLDzq+1VIEtGhmPW/g0zNYt4 lR1CF9ZzivRVSkIQvOVJgqqEc3c= Received: by filter0276p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0276p1iad2-22372-5C3F41FC-20 2019-01-16 14:38:52.57128476 +0000 UTC m=+144229.247562717 Received: from github-lowworker-05ceafd.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.40]) by ismtpd0020p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id fX9RHiywRGyHtdemIaMuFw for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 14:38:52.306 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-05ceafd.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C8C5461859 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 06:38:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 14:38:52 +0000 (UTC) From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP/3: is the recommended size of max bidi streams normative? (#2337) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c3f41fc7b49e_39e33fd2016d45bc179649"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1cISyZsNe/JS019EoxGBZKwbQdBZzyUMAtRA Kgy+RrdaZWwMf1WagfU6w4IWZuqi9BSJJvBgULjfzhp4rV0snRS6GyJoo15+ISNSNzMWZzBDcr3txS 7FoPOcbGCjeDC63MUzkjsMQQkOQ/AYYwytTTrLOEmmcSgDAmITVEwxbrjc7tTYU5YpmUYE3FvWxpwy g= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 14:38:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c3f41fc7b49e_39e33fd2016d45bc179649 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > It is recommended that initial_max_bidi_streams be no smaller than 100, so as to not unnecessarily limit parallelism. Is this normative? It can be detected... -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2337 ----==_mimepart_5c3f41fc7b49e_39e33fd2016d45bc179649 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

It is recommended that initial_max_bidi_streams be no smaller than 100, so as to not unnecessarily limit parallelism.

Is this normative? It can be detected...

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----==_mimepart_5c3f41fc7b49e_39e33fd2016d45bc179649-- From nobody Wed Jan 16 07:50:27 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 631C612D4E7 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 07:50:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.935 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TuXfv_MCJOh7 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 07:50:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C8C4129C6A for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 07:50:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 07:50:21 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547653821; bh=2CzU3pmaG1MKo2/avl78iwNcVdVYMD+fBuk1yZ9kerY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=zEn0Rt87fwputay3xhDX2xM107dXngIUHh1irSdyoLRlOLLyUdiBZlIoboPN4VYGe WUKngkHhnnTwOrt0JS+JmUvIOfQWwkg2MLLpijmK8J2WeS+bOwurHCgndlNWywRAQO aCDEiYMLLwCUO6E1DGN+29D1Et4jvzpuX3XvUxYE= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] consider making the varint encoding unique (#2299) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c3f52bd3e40a_71713fab1f8d45b42957a8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 15:50:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c3f52bd3e40a_71713fab1f8d45b42957a8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think long header packets are the largest issue I'm aware of as @nibanks pointed out above. ACK frames are a bit annoying, but easier. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2299#issuecomment-454828853 ----==_mimepart_5c3f52bd3e40a_71713fab1f8d45b42957a8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think long header packets are the largest issue I'm aware of as @nibanks pointed out above.

ACK frames are a bit annoying, but easier.

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Push streams are special, compared to other unidirectional streams, because they requires some some additional preface (Push ID) before allowing frames.

Reading through section 3.2 again. It seems like a reader could be mislead by the combination of figure 1 and 2.

The usual convention across QUIC and HTTP/3 specs is to define a frame header, then later section define the frame body. The Push stream shown in figure 2 duplicates the stream header field, and I think it could be misread as saying there are two stream headers.

Do others think this is a problem? We could fix the diagram or remove it completely. Or something else entirely.

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@mikkelfj Malicious clients can always send an unlimited number of packets anywhere. QUIC doesn't change that.

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@huitema Thanks for the correction, I keep forgetting about sending ACKs.

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----==_mimepart_5c3f54224383c_71343fab1f8d45b43073d3-- From nobody Wed Jan 16 08:02:38 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D25C812D4E8 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 08:02:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.935 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05r-XegkdiBJ for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 08:02:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DDD3212894E for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 08:02:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 08:02:34 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547654554; bh=Sbts1mgbTU2AgjdVu+B9X9xZwDDHM0fs1ny34saQcGc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=IIATiHwWpFzoEpGLQsK35k4KSYGOzUZbDmq71EXNEyTLd5NILLWX8NgSHPTY7Fn6U 37wUgTvAt/7+khXIUzI5gQj+pbMKredD704SzS4cyhppusocc03VQs6MVzQKGrwdKT RA5AcVINMLeTXPHNycmp7ziGDEiWifX6xwT0SmNo= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] How many datagrams can a client send prior to validating the path? (#2135) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c3f559a87f9_4f673ff5de4d45b8535656"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 16:02:37 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c3f559a87f9_4f673ff5de4d45b8535656 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @ianswett I mean that the client causes the peer to respond to a fake migration attempt and coerces the peer into sending packets elsewhere. I'm not sure if that can amplify, e.g. via PMTU probe. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2135#issuecomment-454833900 ----==_mimepart_5c3f559a87f9_4f673ff5de4d45b8535656 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@ianswett I mean that the client causes the peer to respond to a fake migration attempt and coerces the peer into sending packets elsewhere. I'm not sure if that can amplify, e.g. via PMTU probe.

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I think we had a similar discussion twice, getting some text, and later removed. But I don't recall anymore.

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The concept of QPACK instructions are first introduced in section 2, along with encoder and decoder streams. There is no forward reference to the later definitions. The real problem I have is with section 4.2. It contains a bulleted list that is almost identical to section 2, but subtly different. The text following this list is also ambiguous > There MUST be exactly one of each unidirectional stream type in each direction. The previous list referred to request streams and push streams. These are obviously out of scope but it could get mistaken. I think we've discussed elsewhere that implementations could decide not to use dynamic compression, and so the encoder and decoder streams are not necessary. I think this sentence could be made clearer by saying something like "if the dynamic table is being used, each endpoint MUST create exactly one pair of encoder and decoder streams." > Receipt of a second instance of either stream type MUST be treated as a connection error of HTTP_WRONG_STREAM_COUNT. Perhaps simplify to "receipt of additional streams which claim to be an encoder or decoder stream MUST be treated as a connection error of HTTP_WRONG_STREAM_COUNT. > Closure of either unidirectional stream MUST be treated as a connection error of type HTTP_CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM. Perhaps "The closure of encoder or decoder streams, at any point, MUST be treated as a connection error of type HTTP_CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM." > This section describes the instructions which are possible on each stream type. No it doesn't :) While I am here, Section 4.5 is titled "Request and Push Streams" but it just talks about instructions to include in frames. I'm left with a feeling that there is a misplaced focus on streams rather than instructions. This could be inverted to state instructions, with a comment on where they are allowed to appear, summarised in a nice table somewhere in the document. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2339 ----==_mimepart_5c3f5b341216a_426c3fea0c8d45c41319c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Did the section hierarchy get messed up a little in a recent refactor?

The concept of QPACK instructions are first introduced in section 2, along with encoder and decoder streams. There is no forward reference to the later definitions.

The real problem I have is with section 4.2. It contains a bulleted list that is almost identical to section 2, but subtly different. The text following this list is also ambiguous

There MUST be exactly one of each unidirectional stream type in each direction.
The previous list referred to request streams and push streams. These are obviously out of scope but it could get mistaken.

I think we've discussed elsewhere that implementations could decide not to use dynamic compression, and so the encoder and decoder streams are not necessary. I think this sentence could be made clearer by saying something like "if the dynamic table is being used, each endpoint MUST create exactly one pair of encoder and decoder streams."

Receipt of a second instance of either stream type MUST be treated as a connection error of HTTP_WRONG_STREAM_COUNT.

Perhaps simplify to "receipt of additional streams which claim to be an encoder or decoder stream MUST be treated as a connection error of HTTP_WRONG_STREAM_COUNT.

Closure of either unidirectional stream MUST be treated as a connection error of type HTTP_CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM.

Perhaps "The closure of encoder or decoder streams, at any point, MUST be treated as a connection error of type HTTP_CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM."

This section describes the instructions which are possible on each stream type.
No it doesn't :)

While I am here, Section 4.5 is titled "Request and Push Streams" but it just talks about instructions to include in frames.

I'm left with a feeling that there is a misplaced focus on streams rather than instructions. This could be inverted to state instructions, with a comment on where they are allowed to appear, summarised in a nice table somewhere in the document.

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----==_mimepart_5c3f5b341216a_426c3fea0c8d45c41319c-- From nobody Wed Jan 16 08:30:55 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E354712D4ED for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 08:30:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.996 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.996 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xuaYHX9VKbzB for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 08:30:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from m71-131.mailgun.net (m71-131.mailgun.net [166.78.71.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A440A12D4EC for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 08:30:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1547656252; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=3qcndh8/+Da9huRczNfUGY6r6F1J2MvY1FcjqgRsFJE=; b=OrURB0PCcSR4rigNco0vjL/+LJNTUZWJ0+dvTsvwXUo5uFabpdowFipvbX+YFAZBWEG2BIWq GLKjUgO3qxhbou6GhPETa6/h555sgf8+5nyBjU1pQmJwJr3rNYcttUbFi5r+MFWzalNKfQbV oKFvZJ1RPb/h4dzSU6fhJnN0ob4= X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.71.131 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Sender: kazuhooku=gmail.com@github.com Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.39]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 5c3f5c3c.7f10ba5f1a50-smtp-out-n03; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 16:30:52 -0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 08:30:51 -0800 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: Kazuho Oku To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5c3f5c3bb350d_549c2ac6c6f36580669e1@hookshot-fe-da92815.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 0fcb05: extended unidirectional streams can be closed or r... 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The big editorial refactor intentionally reordered the sections: the g= oal was to describe concepts first and specific instructions second.

Regarding whether the encoder/decoder streams are required, there's a = separate (design) issue open (#2100).

Given that the instruction spaces are unique per stream type, and no i= nstruction is allowed on more than one stream, I think it makes sense to = keep the instructions organized by the stream on which they are used.

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I can clean up the ambiguous references to unidirectional streams to m= ake it clear that we're talking about the QPACK control streams.

I'll give it another read through with your comments in mind and see w= hat further improvements we can make.

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I'm happy to come up with a PR containing some proposals.

I think we have some diversity in perspective. Coming from a HTTP/3-fi= rst position with a background in HTTP/2, my currency is the header b= lock. I've been told it can be sent in HEADERS and PUSH_PROMISE, I d= on't need to be told how those frames are sent (i.e. what streams).

As someone unfamiliar with the specification, the instructions don't l= eap out. There is not one section in the TOC that mentions the term i= nstruction. From my limited appreciation, I'd class the instructions= as a primitive of header compression. But I accept that these are perhap= s the QPACK data model, with primitives akin to built-in types.

It still hasn't leapt out to me if the encoder and decoder stream exch= ange clear header blocks, or just a stream of instructions.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -999,6 +996,18 @@ paces the sending of any packets in excess of the initial congestion window.
 A sender MAY implement alternate mechanisms to update its congestion window
 after idle periods, such as those proposed for TCP in {{?RFC7661}}.
 
+## Application Limited Sending
+
+The congestion window should not be increased in slow start or congestion
+avoidance when it is not fully utilized.  The congestion window could be
+under-utilized due to insufficient application data to send or flow control
+limits.
+
+When the sender is pacing(see {{pacing}}) packets, the sender may be unable
+to use the full congestion window for a period of time after receiving an
+ACK, due to pacing.  In this case, the sender should not consider themselves

True, changed to acknowledgements.

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my currency is the header block. I've been told it can be sent in HEADER= S and PUSH_PROMISE, I don't need to be told how those frames are sent (i.e.= what streams).

Maybe it would simplify the document to refer to encoder stream, decoder= stream and header blocks in that case?

I'd class the instructions as a primitive of header compression.

True, much like frames are primitives in transport and HTTP. Both docum= ents were reorganized as concepts first and wire-specifics following. Perh= aps instructions as a concept aren't explained early enough? I'd prefer to= keep the wire instructions after concepts.

It still hasn't leapt out to me if the encoder and decoder stream exchan= ge clear header blocks, or just a stream of instructions.

See 4.3 and 4.4

The contents of the en/decoder stream are an unframed sequence of the fo= llowing instructions.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2116,9 +2116,13 @@ packets.
 A server conveys a preferred address by including the preferred_address
 transport parameter in the TLS handshake.
 
-Once the handshake is finished, the client SHOULD initiate path validation (see
-{{migrate-validate}}) of the server's preferred address using the connection ID
-provided in the preferred_address transport parameter.
+Servers MAY communicate a preferred address of each address family (IPv4 and
+IPv6) to allow clients to pick the one most suited to their network attachment.

@martinthomson I'm thinking we may want more deployment experience before we decide if we want to recommend or prohibit that.

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RFC7540 used a lower-case "recommended", and the text was picked up from= there. I don't know that there's any harm if we made it "RECOMMENDED", bu= t I'm not sure there's a ton of benefit either. It's a value the implement= ation can set (or expose via configuration), and we're giving some guidance= .

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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 transport parameter in the TLS handshake.
 
-Once the handshake is finished, the client SHOULD initiate path validation (see
-{{migrate-validate}}) of the server's preferred address using the connection ID
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+Servers MAY communicate a preferred address of each address family (IPv4 and
+IPv6) to allow clients to pick the one most suited to their network attachment.

I'm only asking if it is allowed.

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----==_mimepart_5c3fa7625a29b_5eba3fd7bc2d45b481246-- From nobody Wed Jan 16 18:10:39 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B6A4130F44 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 18:10:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.007 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.007 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lgAr0gnidMke for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 18:10:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EAE5E130F3C for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 18:10:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 18:10:35 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547691035; bh=SG8QFypGKVNv9LNw5C9t5V2aTcZ5BglzZ42w3P0KHBM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=DSXwBsOXiIQDwaMBnYt3tEDDZLTSGIiFw2av8fH1/UiNoZJg7x6mLVIkx1B/ZMG7F bdAVLueNbU3Qb7y7Fko1o/881eIqheAbN9G62Z3QQbtkEsXDDgUYt7K3wn6gBNaBsF r8L0J/3Kp9Rkj+NUGlzXfj9apXyi/J7hkMirLLy8= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Spurious RTO detection (#1966) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c3fe41ba3da2_5bdb3fb1a2ad45c41280dc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 02:10:39 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c3fe41ba3da2_5bdb3fb1a2ad45c41280dc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, this is OBE. Closing. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1966#issuecomment-455015746 ----==_mimepart_5c3fe41ba3da2_5bdb3fb1a2ad45c41280dc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Yes, this is OBE. Closing.

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Closed #1966.

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@maolson-msft : Would you like to propose a PR?

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Not feeling strongly about this issue, but for how many implementation= s would this change actually be difficult to implement? So far, the only = definitive statement was about WinQuic. Does this apply to other implemen= tations as well, or is this something that's limited to one implementatio= n?

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I believe @DavidSchinazi indicated it'd be more difficult in our coalesced packets implementation, but I'll let him confirm.

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At this stage, I think that one objection is sufficient. The advantag= e of a minimal encoding is in wire efficiency. Something that can be ach= ieved with the current scheme, and not guaranteed with the proposed one (= because there are ample ways in which to suboptimally encode packets, PAD= DING notwithstanding).

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Closes #2067.

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@goelvidhi, can you take a look at @janaiyengar's proposed resolution here? I know that it's not great, because it ties the depth of the history to the ACK rate, but we don't have a concrete alternative solution.

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Clarifies how we prohibit a server from sending too many packets to a client prior to validating the address.

Closes #2135.

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  • clarify that INITCWND caps amount of data sent to an unvalidated client

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I don't see anyone objecting to that approach, is there some text you'd like added to one of the drafts?

Filed #2341. I do not have a strong opinion on whether this needs to be clarified, therefore I would not oppose if the PR gets refused.

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I think that you have this backwards. The point here is that the client is limited by INITCWND. The server has to abide by the x3 rule.

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  • f7b0187 the restriction is in the opposite direction

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@martinthomson That's definitely true. Addressed in f7b0187.

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I'm not sure if this is correct. If a packet is declared lost, it can be retransmitted, so in that case the amount of data sent is larger than initial cwnd.

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----==_mimepart_5c3ffd407ad70_708e3fa365ad45c47414fd-- From nobody Wed Jan 16 20:00:00 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3128E1292F1 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 19:59:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.935 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o8JYgLLF4tnB for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 19:59:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B20A8126CB6 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 19:59:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 19:59:57 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547697597; bh=hpHz78Nfr75lbBCB6xJu0BBSsnr9kng8HSpB3Alh/74=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=O90adDBHwIC2tX06oGIzg1Kt0S+dygB0+DJU9taRhpFARjHNK+uIYrUSuGrLUI0OX 4Ice1xf414dZxMrTD2r9sec5KLnOabp32Oo5cy0R2RLhp3DYKpyYDxGuZeQvTk0/MA pT/pcKrLOpCSVWZ9s19X4Sr66KUXXQjYM+sHX3j8= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] clarify that INITCWND caps amount of data sent to a server before address validation (#2341) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c3ffdbdb035_6baf3fa365ad45c44215fd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 03:59:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c3ffdbdb035_6baf3fa365ad45c44215fd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @marten-seemann That's a good point. Does changing the text to refer to "congestion avoidance algorithm" instead of "initial congestion window" resolve the concern? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2341#issuecomment-455034336 ----==_mimepart_5c3ffdbdb035_6baf3fa365ad45c44215fd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@marten-seemann That's a good point. Does changing the text to refer to "congestion avoidance algorithm" instead of "initial congestion window" resolve the concern?

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FWIW, current TLS draft states: After all CRYPTO frames for a give= n encryption level have been sent and all expected CRYPTO frames received= , and all the corresponding acknowledgments have been received or sent, a= n endpoint starts a timer.

To me this sounds safe and that there is nothing we need to fix.

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This looks fine, but I have a new concern: this makes it appear as tho= ugh the congestion window doesn't apply to the server. It does. Would t= his be better?

The amount that servers are permitted to send is also constrained by t= he limit set by the congestion avoidance algorithm. Clients are only con= strained in what they can send prior to address validation by congestion = control.

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@martinthomson Thanks. Applied in 5522bd5.

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----==_mimepart_5c40066bc69b_70793fa365ad45c41178964-- From nobody Wed Jan 16 20:48:19 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B68EF127AC2 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 20:48:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.007 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.007 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ntVLwslnRGEr for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 20:48:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 09ABC123FFD for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 20:48:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 20:48:14 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547700494; bh=8wHVqdcN2pw5HB58cCOOxv9waWd+7yHU5MizeMMrViA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=TlT/JDuI2oPNoaozAmWwZrtRDmb6U48LrHGOnh0I5NoWfkwTXU/ImrjI5xu0VXhuW B3C6r8hf7AB56ds1f5Ivd1XWDgp5iVIS6aRsd24kkEFiWJMUHLcrRhKOzU+k9Xb1Wf 6/Squ0a6nLYSZ1pq7HOMGiz3xgFbLZGsshHwIFrc= From: erickinnear Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add note about frequent RTT estimates (#2340) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c40090e8a560_7ca73ffc2cad45b884224"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: erickinnear X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 04:48:18 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c40090e8a560_7ca73ffc2cad45b884224 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Looks good to me, always nice to pull that note out of the reference and make sure people see it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2340#issuecomment-455041278 ----==_mimepart_5c40090e8a560_7ca73ffc2cad45b884224 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Looks good to me, always nice to pull that note out of the reference and make sure people see it.

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----==_mimepart_5c4009254f494_7c973ffc2cad45b81127993-- From nobody Wed Jan 16 23:45:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54A74130DE5 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 23:45:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Dd_x8ZMEYSVM for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 23:45:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BDDB312D4EA for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 23:45:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 23:45:50 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547711150; bh=/+HbRdIH1nq23KAMSLDjtVm6DLvPMCYnh7vGI7ji7bM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=DqnjYBTBdUbZiMvKzTS19Xb6SQGEsP2q4947VS8DXy0LvQrCI5lfQsjJ3CWh/H6JX kYpvwzt5E85cP/ZjhwQwH2i1GjezoToloZcFtUIlVvuCYcmxkIetmiPQUcYhuEoPdl E0iI2PwAfJ+OHfBLM+izHd3in2GEhS8zQkf5/Fok= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] consider making the varint encoding unique (#2299) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c4032aea7886_62d93fa5988d45b4501bb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 07:45:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c4032aea7886_62d93fa5988d45b4501bb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't disagree. But I'd like to add that non-canonical form should only apply to lengths, not enumerations such as frame headers or error codes, as a general principle. The latter can be inconvenient to process if not predictable and have no benefit of being written non-canonical (other than being robust against implementation mistakes). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2299#issuecomment-455073611 ----==_mimepart_5c4032aea7886_62d93fa5988d45b4501bb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I don't disagree. But I'd like to add that non-canonical form should o= nly apply to lengths, not enumerations such as frame headers or error cod= es, as a general principle. The latter can be inconvenient to process if = not predictable and have no benefit of being written non-canonical (other= than being robust against implementation mistakes).

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Ok, the spec is in some sense clear that this can be of arbitary lengt= h. However, that this is not required to be consistent with the long head= er is far from obvious and probably should be explicitly remarked.

An realization I didn't have before over this design is that a given d= estination IP address and UDP port that deals with multiple QUIC connecti= ons will be foreced to use one commond DCID length across all QUIC connec= tions using that port, otherwise it will have to use prefixes for DCIDs t= o be able to determine how long the actual DCID field are to enable decod= ing the header protection. It might have been a misstake to not include a= n DCID length field.

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Thanks for the PR. I'm not against clarification, I'm just not sure what to write and I'd like to close this before Tokyo if we can. Taking a look at the PR now.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1579,6 +1579,10 @@ the client during connection establishment with a Retry packet (see
 {{validate-retry}}) or in a previous connection using the NEW_TOKEN frame (see
 {{validate-future}}).
 
+The amount that servers are permitted to send is also constrained by the limit

Suggestion: "In addition to sending limits imposed prior to address validation, servers are also constrained in what they can send by the limits set by the congestion avoidance algorithm. Clients are only constrained by the congestion avoidance algorithm."

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Suggestion on the text, but I'm happy with the addition.

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The endpoint can decide on its own DCID length encoding, so that is fine.

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----==_mimepart_5c40aa071950b_26c53fb92ded45c45013d-- From nobody Thu Jan 17 09:41:37 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76727130ECD for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 09:41:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.935 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2NYK0LfsNxtm for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 09:41:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AECE6130EB5 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 09:41:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 09:41:32 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547746892; bh=fMu6RnSNmF1ZrT1QtlZCNpnLTqMNXbsg90rRZmCrij8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=VtBxD19BAA4nSasP1MMbdZeRuntgEGDdsZEJ0mRB73wvnioGtXw1tBKrfDtoRFOdO 2VY/0g9DVIKWFfP6ETEwexgrlZJ5gphvlDbBv8Ogie5EcfYjbEKZF9AH0+zjdRrBxZ XSHS2/xCmJSPV1JhTRuDzxN3cWRJDzam5g58+69U= From: Igor Lubashev Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Spoofed connection migration as a DoS vector (#2342) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c40be4c5ddee_525f3fe9664d45c488869"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: igorlord X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 17:41:37 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c40be4c5ddee_525f3fe9664d45c488869 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Section 9 "Connection Migration" has this text: > An endpoint which has sent this [disable_migration] transport parameter, but detects that a peer has nonetheless migrated to a different network MAY treat this as a connection error of type INVALID_MIGRATION. How can an endpoint distinguish "a peer has nonetheless migrated to a different network" vs "an off-path attacker has resent/raced a packet from a different IP"? An insidious attacker can actually own the new IP and proxy packets with PATH_CHALLENGE and resend packets with PATH_CHALLENGE_RESPONSE from its IP. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2342 ----==_mimepart_5c40be4c5ddee_525f3fe9664d45c488869 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Section 9 "Connection Migration" has this text:

An endpoint which has sent this [disable_migration] transport parameter, but detects that a peer has nonetheless migrated to a different network MAY treat this as a connection error of type INVALID_MIGRATION.

How can an endpoint distinguish "a peer has nonetheless migrated to a different network" vs "an off-path attacker has resent/raced a packet from a different IP"? An insidious attacker can actually own the new IP and proxy packets with PATH_CHALLENGE and resend packets with PATH_CHALLENGE_RESPONSE from its IP.

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@kazuho I believe in the case Marten is concerned about "After all CRYPTO frames for a given encryption level have been sent " is not true, because the acknowledgements are not received?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2116,9 +2116,13 @@ packets.
 A server conveys a preferred address by including the preferred_address
 transport parameter in the TLS handshake.
 
-Once the handshake is finished, the client SHOULD initiate path validation (see
-{{migrate-validate}}) of the server's preferred address using the connection ID
-provided in the preferred_address transport parameter.
+Servers MAY communicate a preferred address of each address family (IPv4 and
+IPv6) to allow clients to pick the one most suited to their network attachment.

It is currently allowed - there is no text prohibiting it.

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@ianswett yes it would make the code slightly more complicated on the send path for long headers, but not insurmountable. I don't feel too strongly either way about this one.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2116,6 +2116,9 @@ packets.
 A server conveys a preferred address by including the preferred_address
 transport parameter in the TLS handshake.
 
+Servers MAY communicate a preferred address of each address family (IPv4 and

Yes, this ambiguity comes from the fact that this PR solves a problem that is slightly different than the one solved by the PreferredAddress TP. I think you're all right that "preferred" is better than "alternate", but there's a gap.

I think this can be addressed by just a bit of text stating that it is up to the client to decide which among the preferred addresses it uses. If the client has access to both address families, it's up to the client to decide whether it wants to migrate or not. The addresses are preferred by the server, but it's up to the client to decide if and when it moves to those.

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Honestly, if it is only about long headers length field, then b= y all means make it canonical. There are so few of those packages, and memm= ove is relatively cheap, especially compared to the handshake. Furthermore,= you can special case those packets to start at an offset and move the prec= eding data down, or even write them after the length. Typically you can eve= n with benefit use a vectored write with a separate buffer for the header. = And for higher level languages that care less about performance, you can ju= st concatenate two buffers.

If it were post handshake with lots of data it would be different. This = hangs on ACK's being easy to generate with known lengths.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2116,9 +2116,13 @@ packets.
 A server conveys a preferred address by including the preferred_address
 transport parameter in the TLS handshake.
 
-Once the handshake is finished, the client SHOULD initiate path validation (see
-{{migrate-validate}}) of the server's preferred address using the connection ID
-provided in the preferred_address transport parameter.
+Servers MAY communicate a preferred address of each address family (IPv4 and
+IPv6) to allow clients to pick the one most suited to their network attachment.

We may want to explicitly state this. See my comment above.

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A canonical length means you use memcmp and hash keys directly, for example for the token length + token.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -292,6 +292,10 @@ ack delay field should be ignored.
 Like TCP, QUIC calculates both smoothed RTT and RTT variance similar to those
 specified in {{?RFC6298}}.
 
+A sender might take multiple samples per RTT, and as suggested in {{?RFC6298}},

I've rephrased, take a look

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1579,6 +1579,10 @@ the client during connection establishment with a Retry packet (see
 {{validate-retry}}) or in a previous connection using the NEW_TOKEN frame (see
 {{validate-future}}).
 
+The amount that servers are permitted to send is also constrained by the limit

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I'm disinclined to pull for a change that doesn't have strong proponents. @nibanks seems to have a strong reservation against this change. On balance, I'm supportive of closing this issue.

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----==_mimepart_5c40ee9711174_216e3fd4682d45c01254d4-- From nobody Thu Jan 17 13:45:14 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BC19130E65 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 13:45:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Mp2E6QGgcJy1 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 13:45:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4AB6F130E5E for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 13:45:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 13:45:07 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547761507; bh=eQCZFvSB3/9egroFYbMD6x30dwg237aS7xPnjAHt5pE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=e3ksIM5yjAXSSbgu1eHR8plAoUff5p57IvuoJBEAYiGhxVHbQGlfWLRnxueT/BZZY 6Z+AHo0lKAtOnOER4zotMD39hxSuN8UAu3kT5vulxINyRP7S3Lx5C7qSnhIsXYIza9 Hg0m5CjWvMCrO0w9pIiQUl9yZh7QRAKajwbGbxos= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add note about frequent RTT estimates (#2340) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c40f763570eb_7a473fdb42ad45b4126461"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 21:45:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c40f763570eb_7a473fdb42ad45b4126461 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ianswett commented on this pull request. > @@ -289,8 +289,14 @@ be subtracted from the RTT as long as the result is larger than the min_rtt. If the result is smaller than the min_rtt, the RTT should be used, but the ack delay field should be ignored. -Like TCP, QUIC calculates both smoothed RTT and RTT variance similar to those -specified in {{?RFC6298}}. +A sender calculates both smoothed RTT and RTT variance similar to those +specified in {{?RFC6298}}, see {{on-ack-received}}. + +A sender will commonly receive ACK frames that acknowledge larger packet numbers Please add text on why this is relevant. Suggestion "that increase largest acked and therefore generate an RTT sample." -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2340#pullrequestreview-193857094 ----==_mimepart_5c40f763570eb_7a473fdb42ad45b4126461 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -289,8 +289,14 @@ be subtracted from the RTT as long as the result is larger than the min_rtt.
 If the result is smaller than the min_rtt, the RTT should be used, but the
 ack delay field should be ignored.
 
-Like TCP, QUIC calculates both smoothed RTT and RTT variance similar to those
-specified in {{?RFC6298}}.
+A sender calculates both smoothed RTT and RTT variance similar to those
+specified in {{?RFC6298}}, see {{on-ack-received}}.
+
+A sender will commonly receive ACK frames that acknowledge larger packet numbers

Please add text on why this is relevant. Suggestion "that increase largest acked and therefore generate an RTT sample."

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -289,8 +289,14 @@ be subtracted from the RTT as long as the result is larger than the min_rtt.
 If the result is smaller than the min_rtt, the RTT should be used, but the
 ack delay field should be ignored.
 
-Like TCP, QUIC calculates both smoothed RTT and RTT variance similar to those
-specified in {{?RFC6298}}.
+A sender calculates both smoothed RTT and RTT variance similar to those
+specified in {{?RFC6298}}, see {{on-ack-received}}.
+
+A sender will commonly receive ACK frames that acknowledge larger packet numbers
+than before.  A sender might therefore take multiple samples per RTT (see

Suggestion: replace "A sender..." on with: "When multiple samples are generated within an RTT, the smoothed RTT may retain inadequate RTT history, as suggested in {{?RFC6298}}. Utilizing multiple RTT samples per RTT in smoothed RTT and RTT variance in a different way is currently an open research question."

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Yeah, I'd prefer not to take a change for this, at this time.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2116,9 +2116,13 @@ packets.
 A server conveys a preferred address by including the preferred_address
 transport parameter in the TLS handshake.
 
-Once the handshake is finished, the client SHOULD initiate path validation (see
-{{migrate-validate}}) of the server's preferred address using the connection ID
-provided in the preferred_address transport parameter.
+Servers MAY communicate a preferred address of each address family (IPv4 and
+IPv6) to allow clients to pick the one most suited to their network attachment.

Good point, I've added some text to the Interaction of Client Migration and Preferred Address section.

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(somehow I accidentally deleted my earlier comment, so I'm reposting it)

@ianswett This would add complexity to our long header write path, but it wouldn't be insurmountable. I personally don't have a strong opinion on this change either way.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fixes #2231. (Note that the issue identifies two issues, but one was already fixed in #2204.) You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2343 -- Commit Summary -- * GOAWAY on wrong stream is WRONG_STREAM -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (2) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2343.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2343.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2343 ----==_mimepart_5c4116f14a8ed_312c3fe70f4d45b48322c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Fixes #2231. (Note that the issue identifies two issues, but one was already fixed in #2204.)

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -289,8 +289,14 @@ be subtracted from the RTT as long as the result is larger than the min_rtt.
 If the result is smaller than the min_rtt, the RTT should be used, but the
 ack delay field should be ignored.
 
-Like TCP, QUIC calculates both smoothed RTT and RTT variance similar to those
-specified in {{?RFC6298}}.
+A sender calculates both smoothed RTT and RTT variance similar to those
+specified in {{?RFC6298}}, see {{on-ack-received}}.
+
+A sender will commonly receive ACK frames that acknowledge larger packet numbers

I've taken your suggestion but rephrased to avoid a run-on sentence.

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Should this be happening in an issue? I think we're close here, but I would recommend moving this discussion to an issue if it continues.

FWIW, I'm in agreement with @martinthomson that it's better to drive logic here using the client's state instead of the received packets.

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----==_mimepart_5c412e6cde94_11f03f8ce82d45c495065-- From nobody Thu Jan 17 17:44:27 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A61D612D84D for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 17:44:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.935 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pYML55ETXSMH for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 17:44:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7A8BE126CC7 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 17:44:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 17:44:23 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547775863; bh=BgtsWHKYC5ogGstplat+zW/UwHy4/asXftG4fDOt7ug=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=WI/35fjvBQ6UV4t54ZN/86ydXhh/9bFOr1wqFG80T0p+e5SUL5UMwH002HUX9hqWr FhhQWF0ymSPbfMceLaJq+Z8nO7IzE91VYsFtAz+pwxzdWAWUwQWrP/otrN5UfhycIB 8d9s+ckSGMC/vfUO48KXxArW67VEPIIldLB9ffgI= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow servers to send a preferred address of each address family (#2296) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c412f77a0aae_4d5d3fcf906d45bc60981"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 01:44:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c412f77a0aae_4d5d3fcf906d45bc60981 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm good with this PR. @martinthomson -- can you see if your concern is addressed? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2296#issuecomment-455397206 ----==_mimepart_5c412f77a0aae_4d5d3fcf906d45bc60981 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Almost right...

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2169,6 +2173,9 @@ receiving a probe packet from a different address.  Servers MUST NOT send more
 than a minimum congestion window's worth of non-probing packets to the new
 address before path validation is complete.
 
+When a client wishes to migrate to a new local address that is of a different
+address family from the currently used server address, the client can attempt

This can be simpler. A client that migrates to a new address SHOULD use a preferred address from the same address family for the server.

I wonder if we should forbid doing a new address lookup for the name or if we should stay silent on that point...

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2169,6 +2173,9 @@ receiving a probe packet from a different address.  Servers MUST NOT send more
 than a minimum congestion window's worth of non-probing packets to the new
 address before path validation is complete.
 
+When a client wishes to migrate to a new local address that is of a different
+address family from the currently used server address, the client can attempt

+1 to the SHOULD.

Let's not forbid lookups. It's an interesting question whether other mechanisms of learning the server's addresses are useful or not; I think more deployment experience would be useful here.

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----==_mimepart_5c4135aee922c_4ae23fe525ad45b82320fc-- From nobody Thu Jan 17 19:23:11 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1A821310BA for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 19:23:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.934 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.934 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZZXZ8yjGMbw4 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 19:23:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 535691310B7 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 19:23:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 19:23:06 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547781786; bh=wQjQTpOtKHr8m1lfa0fyiUhuuVNhivwuQiEzDub/xI8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ryb+v4oA6YmcalxEsmptI5tdfNH/YtREVHxkWr9B6ydxqS0XAtP/w1jKu3rbBhabI XKUqzRzwKljZuPP1c04KNz0Tp84hzjoZX8EVnyv/vyUti9PCO2nJPSe/UNBYqYTbhp uN8X/UD+eRGlg5PJKPnF6qyEYlaG/CG2LhbaJwqc= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] RESET_STREAM should be allowed in 0-RTT packets (#2344) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c41469aeb1db_72793ffd93ed45c41676dc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 03:23:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c41469aeb1db_72793ffd93ed45c41676dc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [Section 4 of the TLS draft](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-tls.html#rfc.section.4) forbids a RESET_STREAM frame being sent in a 0-RTT packet. I do not see a reason why we should prohibit that even though we allow FIN to be sent. RESET_STREAM is just another way of closing a stream. I think that we should allow RESET_STERAM to be sent using a 0-RTT packet. FWIW, my assumption is that we simply missed to clarify that RST_STREAM is allowed when we split the frame into RST and STOP_SENDING. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2344 ----==_mimepart_5c41469aeb1db_72793ffd93ed45c41676dc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Section 4 of the TLS draft forbids a RESET_STREAM frame being sent in a 0-RTT packet.

I do not see a reason why we should prohibit that even though we allow FIN to be sent. RESET_STREAM is just another way of closing a stream. I think that we should allow RESET_STERAM to be sent using a 0-RTT packet.

FWIW, my assumption is that we simply missed to clarify that RST_STREAM is allowed when we split the frame into RST and STOP_SENDING.

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Do we really need any special rules for allowed frame types in 0-RTT packets? I don't see any justification for treating 0-RTT and 1-RTT different in that regard.

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@marten-seemann My understanding is that 0-RTT is a t= emporary state that provides less protection (i.e. not forward-secret and= also replay-able). It makes sense to require clients to switch to 1-RTT = ASAP. I think that the current approach of limiting the capability to the= transmission of stream data is one way of accomplishing that.

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If RESET_STREAM is to be permitted, shouldn't it also be permitted to send STOP_SENDING on locally initiated bidirectional streams?

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A stream ID that is used out of order results in all streams of that t= ype with lower-numbered stream IDs also being opened.

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Receiving a STOP_SENDING frame for a locally-initiated stream that is = =E2=80=9CReady=E2=80=9D or not yet created MUST be treated as a connectio= n error of type STREAM_STATE_ERROR

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Streams can easily become open while still in the Ready s= tate on the sender if the sender does not necessarily transmit data on st= reams in exactly the order in which they are allocated. If the receiving = application decides to abandon such a stream and sends STOP_SENDING, a co= nnection error results.

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If STOP_SENDING is additionally permitted for streams in the Rea= dy state which have been implicitly opened by some higher-numbered= stream of the same type entering any other state, then implicitly-opened= streams can be safely discarded without waiting for a STREAM or RESET_ST= REAM frame which the application is no longer interested in.

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I don't understand why we would consider e.g. flow control updates wor= thy of higher protection than application data.
Note that there's a real use case for sending flow control updates in 0-R= TT packets: A client might anticipate a large response when it sends a re= quest in 0-RTT request, and it can save one roundtrip by granting a lot o= f flow control credit for that response.

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The note looks fine to me. Once we have some experience with RTT samples per ACK and how it impacts the history, we can make an informed decision.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2169,6 +2173,9 @@ receiving a probe packet from a different address.  Servers MUST NOT send more
 than a minimum congestion window's worth of non-probing packets to the new
 address before path validation is complete.
 
+When a client wishes to migrate to a new local address that is of a different
+address family from the currently used server address, the client can attempt

Agreed. I've incorporated @martinthomson's text. I agree with Jana that we shouldn't forbid lookups yet.

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@marten-seemann I'm not sure if that's true. A client= can always use transport parameters to specify it's limits; I doubt if t= here's a benefit in updating the limits using a 0-RTT packet.

And in case of anticipating a large response, the anticipation would b= e that the transmission of the response would span across multiple round-= trips (because of congestion control). Everything would work fine if the = client's initial limit is large enough to cover what can be sent in the f= irst round-trip (or several round-trips).

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= ----==_mimepart_5c416800686e_67923fd5be8d45b856474a-- From nobody Thu Jan 17 21:52:53 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27BD112F19D for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 21:52:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5iic7FNWhR6m for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 21:52:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-10.smtp.github.com (out-10.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5429112F1A6 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 21:52:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 21:52:48 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547790768; bh=BZ5EmyW6l6FOAP8gLvRgfnIxQmvhk1CivjcuhpYq7SI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=eX0jwJa51EpmBMAML5LpYd/QYpjzFui8WDLTnD2bqG+tTLxiCxFcOZIAqSvS5SfPU 1edEAToAiaP53of4K4ipiJ4AhecaxyPWbKmJldmVQk0w7K/vvk20DkoRgjSXCT94S2 +cNCdCD7BOvJuAL5Yc++uFw5lnwnCrcqd++4gF+M= From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] RESET_STREAM should be allowed in 0-RTT packets (#2344) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c4169b06144c_23e33f9a17ed45b82849dd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 05:52:51 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c4169b06144c_23e33f9a17ed45b82849dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > @marten-seemann I'm not sure if that's true. A client can always use transport parameters to specify it's limits; I doubt if there's a benefit in updating the limits using a 0-RTT packet. There's generally good reason to keep the initial window small, since we don't have any mechanism to update the transport parameters. > And in case of anticipating a large response, the anticipation would be that the transmission of the response would span across multiple round-trips (because of congestion control). Everything would work fine if the client's initial limit is large enough to cover what can be sent in the first round-trip (or several round-trips). That depends very much on the concrete values used. > Asking for permission to send _BLOCKED frames in 0-RTT packets might make sense, though I am not sure if we'd need that in practice. I think we can expect a server allowing 0-RTT to provide enough window to let the client actually use 0-RTT. Right, I hadn't even thought about BLOCKED. I think it proves my point here: If we don't allow those frame types in 0-RTT, we'll need *a lot* of special code just for keeping those frames out of 0-RTT packets (and to delay transmission until you have 1-RTT keys). Equivalently, on the receiver side, you'd need to implement checks that the payload of 0-RTT packets only contain valid frames. I don't see any reason for special casing anything here, so we should just allow all frame types in 0-RTT packets. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2344#issuecomment-455435788 ----==_mimepart_5c4169b06144c_23e33f9a17ed45b82849dd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@marten-seemann I'm not sure if that's true. A client= can always use transport parameters to specify it's limits; I doubt if t= here's a benefit in updating the limits using a 0-RTT packet.

There's generally good reason to keep the initial window small, since = we don't have any mechanism to update the transport parameters.

And in case of anticipating a large response, the anticipation would b= e that the transmission of the response would span across multiple round-= trips (because of congestion control). Everything would work fine if the = client's initial limit is large enough to cover what can be sent in the f= irst round-trip (or several round-trips).

That depends very much on the concrete values used.

Asking for permission to send _BLOCKED frames in 0-RTT packets might m= ake sense, though I am not sure if we'd need that in practice. I think we= can expect a server allowing 0-RTT to provide enough window to let the c= lient actually use 0-RTT.

Right, I hadn't even thought about BLOCKED. I think it proves my point= here: If we don't allow those frame types in 0-RTT, we'll need a lot= of special code just for keeping those frames out of 0-RTT packets = (and to delay transmission until you have 1-RTT keys). Equivalently, on t= he receiver side, you'd need to implement checks that the payload of 0-RT= T packets only contain valid frames. I don't see any reason for special c= asing anything here, so we should just allow all frame types in 0-RTT pac= kets.

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And in case of anticipating a large response, the anticipation would b= e that the transmission of the response would span across multiple round-= trips (because of congestion control). Everything would work fine if the = client's initial limit is large enough to cover what can be sent in the f= irst round-trip (or several round-trips).

I can imagine an application protocol oriented around using streams as= message framing that might have small initial limits to support proporti= onately large numbers of in-flight streams, but occasionally request larg= e responses by issuing MAX_STREAM_DATA alongside the request. Supporting = such a pattern in 0-RTT seems useful.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c416a3357591_57303fd10f4d45c0170249c-- From nobody Thu Jan 17 22:25:38 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E1361292F1 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 22:25:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pa3L_IH9Krl9 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 22:25:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 86A03126BED for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 22:25:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 22:25:34 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547792734; bh=gT+lLYFwqQESb0kp48d3uicJFFwfxMtPEMJA7bCZM44=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=p3ra+jp9oF+SdXXF43gyHOY6He06+Ym3TjDawOgsxxXq9AGkCFBOHKe5C8Mp9N813 aQ82+/sjsfmu80h2C7WpUtkjOePo7oI5uReJxv8ukqu04aPZpwuAKwlsOXnF0U9DgH ILg9Qmd8B9iVavsNTDMgDPw/yoGeFTR+kF1zDyYM= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] STOP_SENDING on implicitly opened streams is error-prone (#2345) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c41715e5291c_749f3f89d36d45c48957d0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 06:25:37 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c41715e5291c_749f3f89d36d45c48957d0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit :+1: > Streams can easily become open while still in the Ready state on the sender if the sender does not necessarily transmit data on streams in exactly the order in which they are allocated. If the receiving application decides to abandon such a stream and sends STOP_SENDING, a connection error results. FWIW, this happens also when a packet carrying a STREAM frame with the smaller stream ID gets dropped. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2345#issuecomment-455440932 ----==_mimepart_5c41715e5291c_749f3f89d36d45c48957d0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Streams can easily become open while still in the Ready state on the s= ender if the sender does not necessarily transmit data on streams in exac= tly the order in which they are allocated. If the receiving application d= ecides to abandon such a stream and sends STOP_SENDING, a connection erro= r results.

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FWIW, this happens also when a packet carrying a STREAM frame with the= smaller stream ID gets dropped.

Right, but in that case the sender's state is Send for th= e implicitly-opened stream, so a STOP_SENDING won't produce an error. The= receiver of course has no way to distinguish those cases, and so current= ly cannot ever safely send STOP_SENDING on implicitly opened streams.

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----==_mimepart_5c4175f84f23e_2be23fe901cd45b88836c8-- From nobody Thu Jan 17 22:45:45 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C082413112D for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 22:45:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D2zmfLSLCdRC for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 22:45:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CBA3A126BED for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 22:45:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 22:45:40 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547793940; bh=qIVNBpeoi4mxLBvjahmxtX+MS8AKo6jYFNrobCEgA1Y=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=j2ooYwiQgHzLzqoP+QpB2zFIrs+ZGjXqRN3bXqsk5f1RyDAo9Vw7ijX+0gKWojsY0 oqpuyWDTiOlwA+vvwd3gsj1YGVGD3AbqFOMCiGs0kDkkVw8ZuXc4Ibc9H62EDkFb51 fQl9aKOZRRttHGTIOvttv9n3SEGv2hDqH1BBMneA= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] clarify that INITCWND caps amount of data sent to a server before address validation (#2341) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c417614b16a6_71d23f99300d45b8921e1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 06:45:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c417614b16a6_71d23f99300d45b8921e1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kazuho commented on this pull request. > @@ -1579,6 +1579,10 @@ the client during connection establishment with a Retry packet (see {{validate-retry}}) or in a previous connection using the NEW_TOKEN frame (see {{validate-future}}). +The amount that servers are permitted to send is also constrained by the limit @ianswett @janaiyengar Thank you! Applied the suggestions. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2341#discussion_r248941152 ----==_mimepart_5c417614b16a6_71d23f99300d45b8921e1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1579,6 +1579,10 @@ the client during connection establishment with a Retry packet (see
 {{validate-retry}}) or in a previous connection using the NEW_TOKEN frame (see
 {{validate-future}}).
 
+The amount that servers are permitted to send is also constrained by the limit

@ianswett @janaiyengar Thank you! Applied the suggestions.

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I think the text should be

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I like the look of the wording change in ac59e11. Is there something blocking it from being applied?

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@martinthomson approved this pull request.

After reading my text, I am not entirely happy with it, but I lack a better suggestion.

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Closes #2149.

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Commit Summary

  • Rework idle timeout definition

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----==_mimepart_5c41825857315_46ba3fce3b4d45c42013dd-- From nobody Thu Jan 17 23:38:56 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A645131151 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 23:38:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.935 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id es1bAPPXnDgP for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 23:38:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 85F91131152 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 23:38:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 23:38:52 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547797132; bh=Gzmwku08e/yJNOIO7tZIvHPDsa/oQ1dMduv3bJwMjZE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=nD9fAKXxKJOqYjN15TxWwDJHWYuf8eGGI8j8C/iTH5wfj//BgA21XzjmjwZlec9jC RyrUT9xe90japcScbgfEUzt5fWBcl45Q4Q/zv2gDPZeoVvKXspdeEfFr8W7zPz8Zk+ y98LuH+AaaUdmf4kq2JXCZkcsxgprODq/QDDy8FQ= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] nothing can be sent when receiving a packet just after the idle close timer expires (#2347) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c41828ca1839_4ecf3fdabd6d45c0139732"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 07:38:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c41828ca1839_4ecf3fdabd6d45c0139732 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IIUC, the primary reason of having STATELESS_RESET is to let the client notice that the connection is dead immediately, so that it can retransmit the request using a new connection. However, when a server receives a request immediately after it's idle close timer has expired, it cannot send any packet in response, because it is in the draining period. Is this the expected behavior? IMO, we should always allow a server to respond whenever it receives a packet after the idle timeout has expired. One way of allowing that is to let an endpoint immediately discard the connection state when the idle close timer expires. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2347 ----==_mimepart_5c41828ca1839_4ecf3fdabd6d45c0139732 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

IIUC, the primary reason of having STATELESS_RESET is to let the client notice that the connection is dead immediately, so that it can retransmit the request using a new connection. However, when a server receives a request immediately after it's idle close timer has expired, it cannot send any packet in response, because it is in the draining period. Is this the expected behavior?

IMO, we should always allow a server to respond whenever it receives a packet after the idle timeout has expired. One way of allowing that is to let an endpoint immediately discard the connection state when the idle close timer expires.

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Nothing. I just neglected to open the pull request. That happens sometimes. Lots of changes in flight...

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There is an ongoing push in the IPv6 working group for conformance to RFC 6437. The pseudo random flow label enables routers to perform flow-preserving load balancing without having to parse the transport header, which in IPv6 is sometimes hidden behind a chain of extension headers.

For QUIC, that would probably mean setting the IPv6 flow label to a pseudorandom value function of the source and destination addresses and ports and the Destination Connection ID (if present). Should we mention that in the transport spec?

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There are (probably minor) caveats here. If/when [RFC 6437](https://tools.ietf.org/html/6437) is widely deployed in the forwarding plane (I have neither data nor intuition about this), this will cause ECMP to operate on the DCID, so switching DCID will cause packets to be grouped along a different path. The upside of this is that in cases where ECMP is balanced across different _interdomain_ paths (this does happen, though I'm not sure how rarely -- though I know of recent work on traceroute enhancements to compensate for increasingly complex multipath topologies in the Internet), the cost of timing-correlation linkability across DCID change goes way up in the Internet core. The downside is that a DCID switch will be more likely to cause latency discontinuity; when the switch hashes on to a faster path, there will be a spike in reordering at the receiver. This won't break anything per se (QUIC handles reordering just fine as specified), but it may lead to adverse performance in the few windows around a DCID switch that isn't currently there. tl;dr it's certainly worth doing, but let's not be surprised by the (minor) effects of the decision. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2348#issuecomment-455496194 ----==_mimepart_5c41a73026d9a_cf43fabdaad45c411294d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Probably. There are (probably minor) caveats here.

If/when = RFC 6437 is widely deployed in the forwarding plane (I have neither d= ata nor intuition about this), this will cause ECMP to operate on the DCI= D, so switching DCID will cause packets to be grouped along a different p= ath.

The upside of this is that in cases where ECMP is balanced across diff= erent interdomain paths (this does happen, though I'm not sure h= ow rarely -- though I know of recent work on traceroute enhancements to c= ompensate for increasingly complex multipath topologies in the Internet),= the cost of timing-correlation linkability across DCID change goes way u= p in the Internet core.

The downside is that a DCID switch will be more likely to cause latenc= y discontinuity; when the switch hashes on to a faster path, there will b= e a spike in reordering at the receiver. This won't break anything per se= (QUIC handles reordering just fine as specified), but it may lead to adv= erse performance in the few windows around a DCID switch that isn't curre= ntly there.

tl;dr it's certainly worth doing, but let's not be surprised by the (m= inor) effects of the decision.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c41a73026d9a_cf43fabdaad45c411294d-- From nobody Fri Jan 18 05:53:16 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0CB9126C7E for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 05:53:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ni-uFx6awpUq for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 05:53:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7B745124BE5 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 05:53:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 05:53:11 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547819591; bh=gyTp6yVdPSpaDgZP0esYJFSstknX4IjgZSF2xrhKg0Y=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=vj4L1Ux7JgLmRIoevtl9IlxoOyhuBEXqB4jrgpWSE0nmYjCxExruDlRhl7c6LIf6i ubFg5e3laNxK00ZOHvx8QW0E3F9cCCl7IddL73L6FsN8AQNKOarQCsKIUH3P9S7zCk ng0cRWN7YzSjaizWwCKV7txs/AqrYi0/FN8IhHV4= From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Rework idle timeout definition (#2346) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c41da47175f4_39373fa9c46d45b8338360"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 13:53:15 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c41da47175f4_39373fa9c46d45b8338360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dtikhonov commented on this pull request. > @@ -2242,14 +2242,13 @@ If the idle timeout is enabled, a connection that remains idle for longer than the advertised idle timeout (see {{transport-parameter-definitions}}) is closed. A connection enters the draining state when the idle timeout expires. -Each endpoint advertises its own idle timeout to its peer. The idle timeout -starts from the last packet received. In order to ensure that initiating new -activity postpones an idle timeout, an endpoint restarts this timer when sending -a packet. An endpoint does not postpone the idle timeout if another packet has -been sent containing frames other than ACK or PADDING, and that other packet has -not been acknowledged or declared lost. Packets that contain only ACK or -PADDING frames are not acknowledged until an endpoint has other frames to send, -so they could prevent the timeout from being refreshed. +Each endpoint advertises its own idle timeout to its peer. Endpoints restart I'd switch to the singular number: > _An enpdpoint restarts any timer it maintains when a packet from its peer_.... As it stands, it sounds as if several endpoints had a single peer. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2346#pullrequestreview-194104002 ----==_mimepart_5c41da47175f4_39373fa9c46d45b8338360 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2242,14 +2242,13 @@ If the idle timeout is enabled, a connection that remains idle for longer than
 the advertised idle timeout (see {{transport-parameter-definitions}}) is closed.
 A connection enters the draining state when the idle timeout expires.
 
-Each endpoint advertises its own idle timeout to its peer. The idle timeout
-starts from the last packet received.  In order to ensure that initiating new
-activity postpones an idle timeout, an endpoint restarts this timer when sending
-a packet.  An endpoint does not postpone the idle timeout if another packet has
-been sent containing frames other than ACK or PADDING, and that other packet has
-not been acknowledged or declared lost.  Packets that contain only ACK or
-PADDING frames are not acknowledged until an endpoint has other frames to send,
-so they could prevent the timeout from being refreshed.
+Each endpoint advertises its own idle timeout to its peer.  Endpoints restart

I'd switch to the singular number:

An enpdpoint restarts any timer it maintains when a packet from its peer....

As it stands, it sounds as if several endpoints had a single peer.

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I agree with @marten-seemann. I think we should just have the same rules for 0-RTT and 1-RTT packets.

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Acks cannot be sent in 0rtt packets atm, are you proposing changing that as well @marten-seeman

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I agree that it makes sense to treat 0-RTT and 1-RTT the same since all frames the same. I'd still like to keep the handshake frames to the bare minimum.

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Works for me.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2169,6 +2173,9 @@ receiving a probe packet from a different address.  Servers MUST NOT send more
 than a minimum congestion window's worth of non-probing packets to the new
 address before path validation is complete.
 
+When a client wishes to migrate to a new local address that is of a different
+address family from the currently used server address, the client can attempt

I'm okay with the SHOULD. The caveats on our network are:

  • A lookup by address from a different network will lead you to a different machine. Unless we then have it route back to the machine you were previously talking to, it will ignore / Reset you. Of course, if it can't route, it shouldn't have the same Reset Token key, so you'll probably then drop the Reset....
  • Using the SPA from a different network will lead you back to the same host, which might not be a good choice for you to keep using. You'll likely get a prompt GOAWAY in HTTP/3.

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I agree with loosening the restrictions. As with TLS 1.3, it's up to = the application layer to restrict what things can't be done in 0-RTT. Th= ose should generally be things which have effects outside the connection = itself, and at the QUIC layer, nothing the client sends does.

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I have been skimming through the QUIC transport and QUIC TLS draft a f= ew times. It is really difficult to decipher which frames can be sent whe= re. Some packet types mention permitted frames in transport, but does not= do that for all packet types. QUIC TLS has a list of frames for differen= t packet types, but it is not clear if that cover all frame types.

QUIC TLS does suggest that CRYPTO frames can be sent in 1-RTT by stati= ng the only 0-RTT cannot contain crypto, but is not clear about how or wh= y that would happen, although I suspect it has to do with client auth - w= hich is explicitly not permitted post handshake without any explanation. = It could also be rekeying, but I think that is derived locally from sessi= on key.

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QUIC TLS does suggest that CRYPTO frames can be sent in 1-RTT by stating that only 0-RTT cannot contain crypto, but is not clear about how or why that would happen

This is useful for NewSessionTicket, for example.

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Editorial because it now says what we originally thought it said, but = design because it is changing normative language. Fixes #2146. Does not interact with #2296.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2169,6 +2173,9 @@ receiving a probe packet from a different address.  Servers MUST NOT send more
 than a minimum congestion window's worth of non-probing packets to the new
 address before path validation is complete.
 
+When a client wishes to migrate to a new local address that is of a different
+address family from the currently used server address, the client can attempt

On our networks as well, lookups are unlikely to route to the same machine. Given that there is no reason to expect a lookup to successfully route to the same machine (even on the SAME network), forbidding it seems like the right choice.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closes #1917. 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Closes #1917.

Cherry-picking a fix to this issue that got lost in one of the defunct VN-rework PRs.

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----==_mimepart_5c42272a1d93e_58533ff1262d45b8309172-- From nobody Fri Jan 18 11:23:26 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF03F131314 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 11:23:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.007 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.007 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LZ-ale48DEQi for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 11:23:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A4576131304 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 11:23:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 11:23:20 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547839400; bh=2HW5Th47Jfkk+XVewa7j5DOJARKOo40ltrDLk/z1hW4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Te3fcnb97JhrLAnXPuuEH974elJGLrDHsgG467WolbMqebOpxGj6R8wJKWbRiBfWR XwrFXeW/EYdLfnbjjZWiIl6TA+pA7ypIs9ujjd9Eu9hBQ5BEG9EjIeHJgqLb7rCLlO foY8r80dHwSE7tgQvsCEIfAW+39ox3aOVJ81nBwg= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Correcting polarity of SPA language (#2349) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c4227a85b26a_1fbc3fc96d2d45bc182875"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 19:23:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c4227a85b26a_1fbc3fc96d2d45bc182875 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson approved this pull request. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2349#pullrequestreview-194246858 ----==_mimepart_5c4227a85b26a_1fbc3fc96d2d45bc182875 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2169,6 +2173,9 @@ receiving a probe packet from a different address.  Servers MUST NOT send more
 than a minimum congestion window's worth of non-probing packets to the new
 address before path validation is complete.
 
+When a client wishes to migrate to a new local address that is of a different
+address family from the currently used server address, the client can attempt

I think the DNS lookup issue is orthogonal to this PR. @martinthomson can you file a new issue to discuss it there?

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@martinthomson is there anything left for me to do so this can get merged in?

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----==_mimepart_5c4229ca427a8_56093fa2756d45b4269370-- From nobody Fri Jan 18 11:37:10 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93FFA131350 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 11:37:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.148 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.148 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n_XfXtgvVDzs for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 11:37:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-16.smtp.github.com (out-16.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 27D1C13134B for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 11:37:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 11:37:04 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547840224; bh=6Cvk3/i62mIWiY8LZsX+hG5p5CCoFnOZa0VYhUi8yns=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ysLTt5gmIBuv3xXCh/f3EMZFiudPiEBwGtzwMMITRK/MEaMLUkLo4bnf9eYx07TOc HoYhwRdCgUj2LV+sVBzSwHsjf7hRi1UnmYxioLflVJJzbpv5VYcHUe4r735lnhNvFp dFrN2iKgkMIDX1Bi3iKRNLSDhbFb5//0VifpwGvA= From: Brian E Carpenter Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Specify IPv6 flow label for QUIC (#2348) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c422ae05a5e8_16923fbc86cd45c469250"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: becarpenter X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 19:37:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c422ae05a5e8_16923fbc86cd45c469250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What you say is correct for in-transit ECMP, if a DCID switch triggers a change of flow label and therefore a possible path change. It's a bit worse if a server load balancer uses the flow label too as per [RFC 7098](http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7098); persistence will be hampered, but that will presumably be a challenge anyway. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2348#issuecomment-455663270 ----==_mimepart_5c422ae05a5e8_16923fbc86cd45c469250 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

What you say is correct for in-transit ECMP, if a DCID switch triggers= a change of flow label and therefore a possible path change. It's a bit = worse if a server load balancer uses the flow label too as per RFC 7098; persi= stence will be hampered, but that will presumably be a challenge anyway.<= /p>

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I suggest adding

"A client MAY choose to wait a while to see if a supported Version Negotiation packet arrives before failing the connection. This protects against injection attacks."

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----==_mimepart_5c422afea3973_2a983ff7758d45bc6011a-- From nobody Fri Jan 18 13:28:49 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A80BB131417 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 13:28:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.935 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ipuJqlWN1O8V for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 13:28:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 059EF131411 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 13:28:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 13:28:44 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547846924; bh=8zMsdY2HwEIqcqerY1BSGyd2GnOK+4TD0ogEPki+yYM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=QHFzLwVv4DYH3GVSoyQ3xs52WoC80h/bZG6YshnLta3Vqzi1/5M7YZFJu9sBOA2C9 FegmhqPTdBzzzLflyNglFVK9z3F8uj4Uqay1rawWmj63WybJbCJoYYU8M0DgLaUC4b NQxIuTJRzfZ0sYhnD9xzeeq+zLHDkDTHPc/fDs04= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Indicate which frames go on which stream types (#2351) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c42450cb1f1b_33773f8bc90d45b4747f5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 21:28:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c42450cb1f1b_33773f8bc90d45b4747f5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While each frame's description indicates the stream type(s) on which it is allowed, there isn't one unified place to indicate which frames are expected on which streams. QPACK subdivides the instruction space per stream, which has the nice property that you _can't_ put something on the wrong stream. While that's overkill for H3 (too dramatic a departure from H2, multiple IANA registries, etc.), having a table to indicate which frames are permitted on which streams would be helpful. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2351 ----==_mimepart_5c42450cb1f1b_33773f8bc90d45b4747f5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

While each frame's description indicates the stream type(s) on which it is allowed, there isn't one unified place to indicate which frames are expected on which streams. QPACK subdivides the instruction space per stream, which has the nice property that you can't put something on the wrong stream. While that's overkill for H3 (too dramatic a departure from H2, multiple IANA registries, etc.), having a table to indicate which frames are permitted on which streams would be helpful.

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I like the table idea for both. Want a PR?

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=0D= =0D = ----==_mimepart_5c4246ba91fd8_7acd3ff442cd45bc10826e-- From nobody Fri Jan 18 15:50:09 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72211130F35 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 15:50:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qyC_nhfXHQl0 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 15:50:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A817130F17 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 15:50:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 15:50:03 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547855403; bh=mE/YRKsYYD+5HG/p5rv9shkB/iUYbXaXf1Ez2NrYnH4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=hYSEYlwEvkWzBiHyTKfdfEhniFAJ2AehwQFdXuq/EK+FO7DBF66fHqSwbHLidh18g +u8YRyngTB4L/eAFHWZg6j7tdsTIDLtbv4lCv0IhFqeASvTR/XfJs44blA3HpfdN5D r+FkG/R75GMdsnNDAi94dIqp4xEEl1Ugcg3JwbGA= From: David Schinazi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] loss of only two packets can lead to an unrecoverable situation (#2267) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c42662bd89a0_3b83fca172d45bc454d1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DavidSchinazi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 23:50:08 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c42662bd89a0_3b83fca172d45bc454d1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Having thought about this some more, I think that the HANDSHAKE_DONE proposal might be our best way forward. Knowing when to stop sending ClientFinished/Ack is a variant of the two generals problem, meaning it's actually impossible to know when to stop sending over a lossy network without out-of-band information. There are two ways to solve this. One is timeouts, similar to what TCP does on graceful connection close. However timeouts aren't great, because they're by definition always too short or too long. In this case, we can do better by using an explicit event that would trigger key discarding. We even have a suitable stream of out-of-band information: our 1-RTT protected packets. One could consider having the client treat the receipt of any valid 1-RTT packet as confirmation that the ClientFinished was received, but that doesn't work because the server is allowed to send non-sensitive application data before validating the ClientFinished. Having the server send a retransmittable HANDSHAKE_DONE frame as soon as it receives ClientFinished solves this issue. The server discards its handshake keys when it sends HANDSHAKE_DONE and the client discards them when it receives it. I personally find this preferable to a short timeout (which can cause an infinite send) and a long timeout (which costs resources). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2267#issuecomment-455723789 ----==_mimepart_5c42662bd89a0_3b83fca172d45bc454d1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Having thought about this some more, I think that the HANDSHAKE_DONE p= roposal might be our best way forward.

Knowing when to stop sending ClientFinished/Ack is a variant of the tw= o generals problem, meaning it's actually impossible to know when to stop= sending over a lossy network without out-of-band information.

There are two ways to solve this. One is timeouts, similar to what TCP= does on graceful connection close. However timeouts aren't great, becaus= e they're by definition always too short or too long. In this case, we ca= n do better by using an explicit event that would trigger key discarding.= We even have a suitable stream of out-of-band information: our 1-RTT pro= tected packets.

One could consider having the client treat the receipt of any valid 1-= RTT packet as confirmation that the ClientFinished was received, but that= doesn't work because the server is allowed to send non-sensitive applica= tion data before validating the ClientFinished.

Having the server send a retransmittable HANDSHAKE_DONE frame as soon = as it receives ClientFinished solves this issue. The server discards its = handshake keys when it sends HANDSHAKE_DONE and the client discards them = when it receives it.

I personally find this preferable to a short timeout (which can cause = an infinite send) and a long timeout (which costs resources).

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As suggested in #2345 (comment).
Fixes #2345.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2352

Commit Summary

  • allow STOP_SENDING on implicitly opened streams

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I am not necessarily objecting to this, but before just merging this in, please review past discussions on this - it is not as trivial as it might seem.

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What concrete problem do you see, @mikkelfj?

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----==_mimepart_5c42c23ea9052_22083fe58e0d45b824919d-- From nobody Fri Jan 18 22:54:41 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D569312F1A6 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 22:54:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BXcTGqy4YptN for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 22:54:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 063A712958B for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 22:54:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 22:54:36 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547880876; bh=4dCjX8EplKO4YqAYmt8d59m9Lom09MyKlA4QU/JRzwQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=iQWWb8gkHhVR1hHYLxvapBHjxEfIVYowMGuaSwNcTT6W1oNBR5xCxLuJiHZKkQlQh 7I1KDKYFCFcbfuq3j0bF657of0iRY71KSuVffH+l3/pMQ4hskJFYtZyRuBJKHyUgRN 4/J4TdiAKQE+rUeviU85wEuftNbtsCd2Hr056fMw= From: Benjamin Saunders Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] STOP_SENDING on implicitly opened streams is error-prone (#2345) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c42c9ac1483_22103fe58e0d45b8363774"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: Ralith X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2019 06:54:40 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c42c9ac1483_22103fe58e0d45b8363774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I did review #1050 before opening this issue: > Yes, we should prohibit the frame for streams that are not yet created. It seems to me that the intention here was not to exclude implicitly opened streams, since by most reasonable interpretations they have indeed been created. Perhaps it was overlooked in the removal/restoration churn of implicit opening? Is there something specific in the #1797 discussion that affects this? Nothing jumps out at me, though the overall thrust of weakening the STOP_SENDING restrictions is certainly related. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2345#issuecomment-455755429 ----==_mimepart_5c42c9ac1483_22103fe58e0d45b8363774 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I did review #1050 before opening this issue:

Yes, we should prohibit the frame for streams that are not yet created= .

It seems to me that the intention here was not to exclude implicitly o= pened streams, since by most reasonable interpretations they have indeed = been created. Perhaps it was overlooked in the removal/restoration churn = of implicit opening?

Is there something specific in the #1797 discussion that af= fects this? Nothing jumps out at me, though the overall thrust of weakeni= ng the STOP_SENDING restrictions is certainly related.

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -292,6 +292,10 @@ ack delay field should be ignored.
 Like TCP, QUIC calculates both smoothed RTT and RTT variance similar to those
 specified in {{?RFC6298}}.
 
+A sender might take multiple samples per RTT, and as suggested in {{?RFC6298}},

I really am not in love with the "A sender might" start.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -289,8 +289,15 @@ be subtracted from the RTT as long as the result is larger than the min_rtt.
 If the result is smaller than the min_rtt, the RTT should be used, but the
 ack delay field should be ignored.
 
-Like TCP, QUIC calculates both smoothed RTT and RTT variance similar to those
-specified in {{?RFC6298}}.
+A sender calculates both smoothed RTT and RTT variance similar to those
+specified in {{?RFC6298}}, see {{on-ack-received}}.
+
+A sender might take multiple samples per RTT because ACK frames that are

Suggestion: "A sender will take multiple samples per RTT when ACK frames are received within an RTT that acknowledge larger packet numbers than before("

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What concrete problem do you see, @mikkelfj?

I don't see a concrete problem, but I do remember a lot of pitfalls, s= o I just wanted to make a note of it before anything gets merged. I have = not yet read through the issues in detail.

One concern is race conditions but it might be captured by the propose= d text, I'm just not sure yet.

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Please see my response here: #2352 (comment)

I don't object to the intention, I fact I seem to recall finding the original text overlooking this. But we just need to be careful here.

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The old and new text is based on the senders local created state.
But the peer cannot know the senders local state.

https://quicwg.org/base-draft= s/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#fig-stream-send-states

The fact that a sender created a stream does not mean that the peer ha= s the information yet. It cannot have that information before the highest= numbered stream is beyond the READY state.

A peer could legally send STOP_SENDING if it has a out of band informa= tion about the senders state even if it is not permitted to send anything= else.

The text should instead forbid a peer from sending STOP_SENDING on any= stream that is not yet created at its end, meaning it has seen data from= the same stream or a higher stream of same kind.

Also the sender should not accept STOP_SENDING unless the local stream= state is beyond Ready, or a higher numbered stream of same kind is beyon= d Ready.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c42f0f34a783_67773f8efdcd45bc13244-- From nobody Sat Jan 19 01:47:11 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5FF2130DC4 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2019 01:47:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ewrCYg0-IA7r for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2019 01:47:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3EAAA12E043 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2019 01:47:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2019 01:47:06 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547891226; bh=gg9XSTFqQukZimcNAvBJoRM7EDayXZ4x6cf3n5JKp2A=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=p05kOlIb5DvINVahiyWV2kvRjKKcPxiCbkYTcwpZQ4vP+j0t4yqOGWb0x78IOk5wH FBExpaaYY1354ysu/CsjgbLZoiJKJzHZEq55pkdL6K+YBCTvmYlNoC0Q3ocaYIh2Z5 eOSxA34I37wr3+TLMY1DPiO+dVk8RieARLLvhEiE= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] STOP_SENDING on implicitly opened streams is error-prone (#2345) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c42f21ad7796_5b033f8efdcd45bc953059"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2019 09:47:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c42f21ad7796_5b033f8efdcd45bc953059 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What makes this difficult is the remote initiated uni-streams do not have a created state in the same way a bidi-stream has. STOP_SENDING should behave the as if the stream was a bidi stream only be allowed send STOP_SENDING when it can send data on the reverse channel. But it doesn't make sense to say that for uni streams. This leads to assumptions on state at the wrong end of the connection. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2345#issuecomment-455765321 ----==_mimepart_5c42f21ad7796_5b033f8efdcd45bc953059 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

What makes this difficult is the remote initiated uni-streams do not h= ave a created state in the same way a bidi-stream has. STOP_SENDING shoul= d behave the as if the stream was a bidi stream only be allowed send STOP= _SENDING when it can send data on the reverse channel. But it doesn't mak= e sense to say that for uni streams. This leads to assumptions on state a= t the wrong end of the connection.

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propose:

Receipt of a STOP_SENDING frame is invalid for a locally-initiated str= eam that
has not yet been created or is in the "Ready" state (see
{{stream-send-states}}). Receiving a STOP_SENDING frame for a locally-ini= tiated
stream that has not transitioned past Ready state MUST be treated as a co= nnection error of type
STREAM_STATE_ERROR unless there is a higher numbered stream that has made= this transition already. A peer must have seen data on the same stream = or a higher numbered stream of same type before sending STOP_SENDING. An = endpoint that receives a STOP_SENDING frame for a
receive-only stream MUST terminate the connection with error STREAM_STATE= _ERROR.

See also discussion on associated issue. Removing Ready is not safe as= this can lead to speculative STOP_SENDING, for example based on assumed = out of band knowledge of the senders local state.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c42f3a499bfe_48693feef40d45bc8167e8-- From nobody Sat Jan 19 02:12:58 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2B59130DC2 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2019 02:12:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.552 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.552 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VE1xHS7fdjRB for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2019 02:12:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6552212E043 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2019 02:12:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2019 02:12:54 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547892774; bh=p/tjn0tRBsD12wfnhhYfyyA1H1yBqaQzYbfrUEl9szk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=gl5IcsVxuQtXLFMrpnMpclH92A5JhzvtlHmHKzHzov7BCsZpeqArDMbaAtCM2/DJh eZgU0EnyS4Uvj9o/28zei0KO4S2cVcz2pKZbUGHSYj46c0HRgy/gqJLaUDu8Pe/nQO EjJmWa3zT0UQ0pVoW3K8KZon5wpFnSbOxCyHubHg= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] allow STOP_SENDING on implicitly opened streams (#2352) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c42f82645503_26003fab35ad45c423939a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2019 10:12:57 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c42f82645503_26003fab35ad45c423939a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kazuho commented on this pull request. > @@ -4491,10 +4491,9 @@ to abruptly terminate transmission on a stream. Receipt of a STOP_SENDING frame is invalid for a locally-initiated stream that has not yet been created or is in the "Ready" state (see {{stream-send-states}}). Receiving a STOP_SENDING frame for a locally-initiated -stream that is "Ready" or not yet created MUST be treated as a connection error -of type STREAM_STATE_ERROR. An endpoint that receives a STOP_SENDING frame for -a receive-only stream MUST terminate the connection with error -STREAM_STATE_ERROR. +stream that is not yet created MUST be treated as a connection error of type I think the other approach we might consider is to state that a stream enters a Ready state when the endpoints send a frame containing a higher stream ID. Taking that approach might help resolve @mikkelfj's concern that the definition is becoming loose. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2352#pullrequestreview-194351985 ----==_mimepart_5c42f82645503_26003fab35ad45c423939a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@kazuho commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4491,10 +4491,9 @@ to abruptly terminate transmission on a stream.
 Receipt of a STOP_SENDING frame is invalid for a locally-initiated stream that
 has not yet been created or is in the "Ready" state (see
 {{stream-send-states}}). Receiving a STOP_SENDING frame for a locally-initiated
-stream that is "Ready" or not yet created MUST be treated as a connection error
-of type STREAM_STATE_ERROR.  An endpoint that receives a STOP_SENDING frame for
-a receive-only stream MUST terminate the connection with error
-STREAM_STATE_ERROR.
+stream that is not yet created MUST be treated as a connection error of type

I think the other approach we might consider is to state that a stream enters a Ready state when the endpoints send a frame containing a higher stream ID.

Taking that approach might help resolve @mikkelfj's concern that the definition is becoming loose.

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I don't think we gain anything by worrying about out-of-band knowledge about stream states, and I don't think that @mikkelfj's text suggestion is readable. The same would apply to MAX_STREAM_DATA frames for remote-opened streams as well.

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Note that just edited my text. I think @kazuho has a point. But it still needs to be clear what the remote endpoint must observe before sending.

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----==_mimepart_5c42f8cd86ca5_2ab93f8fcc4d45b84734a9-- From nobody Sat Jan 19 02:18:58 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8F0A12E043 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2019 02:18:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.935 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ftOWxnD2PKd1 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2019 02:18:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C7F6128CF3 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2019 02:18:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2019 02:18:54 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547893134; bh=4t3FONnpfBxsdzFxgW8eiBHPkBdO7id5+WpPlw/n+Tw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Z4x9pfH9oiEsAeb+yTsUcgRpcpHDm1uZr0TjypN+5jxh/sbBxCa7sH65Ild8kA1x0 dHpY4ceFBNYHD3hEcL4+clfFRgk92AXB4S5t6d6yH9e0w8wgf8njjsleXXP2mV9XgO WDfGshwVNOcHjRvyAIjOpKkiBDJApElUD4gTJ3SM= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] allow STOP_SENDING on implicitly opened streams (#2352) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c42f98ebbdf_5623fdb9b4d45c074947c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2019 10:18:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c42f98ebbdf_5623fdb9b4d45c074947c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The same would apply to MAX_STREAM_DATA I think that needs to be fixed as well. The frame might get lost due to race conditions. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2352#issuecomment-455767499 ----==_mimepart_5c42f98ebbdf_5623fdb9b4d45c074947c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The same would apply to MAX_STREAM_DATA

I think that needs to be fixed as well. The frame might get lost due to race conditions.

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The same would apply to MAX_STREAM_DATA

I think that needs to be fixed as well. The frame might get lost due to race conditions.

Can you elaborate where you see a race condition here?

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----==_mimepart_5c42f9e8c11b1_18ba3fa7358d45c0800b3-- From nobody Sat Jan 19 02:24:29 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC14B12008A for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2019 02:24:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.552 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.552 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SV-rKyuVVpJG for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2019 02:24:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 634F4126C01 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2019 02:24:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2019 02:24:25 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547893465; bh=2KgHAIz2v4mEPZjsSX/4KBnDFAJ+GM65OaSNYk/BQJE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=pCMHZieAuCLArHm8WieWz6n1EE8hzFpMrp7vrC6vVE61CS4/b/Mwno1Esy2Hp07sH TWPstk/K/n5DSUjKriZKa/Yw0GyW1+ajv+raV3k3kDQSFZNvyj7cT53XOdVrTNP+lt rowAebZVi4owW+qANXy3kBw1G5d53BhyolHXwUvg= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] allow STOP_SENDING on implicitly opened streams (#2352) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c42fad95f774_18d23fa7358d45c0592aa"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2019 10:24:28 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c42fad95f774_18d23fa7358d45c0592aa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Can you elaborate where you see a race condition here? The peer sends MAX_STREAM_DATA on stream x and stream x + 4 because they are "always" opened together. The sending endpoint has only set stream x in transmission mode and is about to do the same for stream x + 4 when it receives MAX_STREAM_DATA. Since MAX_STREAM_DATA is sent to a non-existent stream it either faithfully terminates the connection, or just ignores the frame since it is not between min/max range of active streams. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2352#issuecomment-455767838 ----==_mimepart_5c42fad95f774_18d23fa7358d45c0592aa Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Can you elaborate where you see a race condition here?

The peer sends MAX_STREAM_DATA on stream x and stream x + 4 because th= ey are "always" opened together. The sending endpoint has only set stream= x in transmission mode and is about to do the same for stream x + 4 when= it receives MAX_STREAM_DATA. Since MAX_STREAM_DATA is sent to a non-exis= tent stream it either faithfully terminates the connection, or just ignor= es the frame since it is not between min/max range of active streams.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c42fad95f774_18d23fa7358d45c0592aa-- From nobody Sat Jan 19 02:31:08 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07509128CF3 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2019 02:31:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eqxXrIn-t9Z2 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2019 02:31:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F5D5126CC7 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2019 02:31:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2019 02:31:04 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547893864; bh=/SkbGSqappgUzM45UoSfTuXoaEeut07b5amJvExcYHk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=PWOal61G/cnzvH/od9VTsxYUm0000GwVfPV1jM25Luc/Q8Y8rIvVOH4Uy0sfFkIg1 6sH0Ar1oZsXVtttrevStg91dHLBBAJ+bXJ3lGVNf9FkX3q9RrsbRNEq3XpNSjdcJIN +R5XGCbGjkOGzGRjdftufsTQmYYsD1dlhsG2lD/c= From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] allow STOP_SENDING on implicitly opened streams (#2352) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c42fc685db56_3fda3f8e656d45c425608c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2019 10:31:07 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c42fc685db56_3fda3f8e656d45c425608c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't see any race condition we need to fix here. If it was permissible to send MAX_STREAM_DATA x+4, no amount of reordering will make this a protocol violation. If it was not permissible, and the remote peer just happened to open x+4 while the MAX_STREAM_DATA frame was in flight, then the peer got lucky this one time and the protocol violation won't be detected. I don't think this is something we need to address though. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2352#issuecomment-455768292 ----==_mimepart_5c42fc685db56_3fda3f8e656d45c425608c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I don't see any race condition we need to fix here. If it was permissi= ble to send MAX_STREAM_DATA x+4, no amount of reordering will make this a= protocol violation. If it was not permissible, and the remote peer just = happened to open x+4 while the MAX_STREAM_DATA frame was in flight, then = the peer got lucky this one time and the protocol violation won't be dete= cted. I don't think this is something we need to address though.

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If it was permissible to send MAX_STREAM_DATA x+4, no amount of reorde= ring will make this a protocol violation

then you have to be able track infinite amount state because the peer = controls MAX_STREAM_ID.

If it was not permissible, and the remote peer just happened to open x= +4 while the MAX_STREAM_DATA frame was in flight, then the peer got lucky= this one time and the protocol violation won't be detected.

You can always get lucky, by it is sufficient to risk enforcement, and= more importantly, it protects against tracking infinite state.

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then you have to be able track infinite amount state because the peer controls MAX_STREAM_ID.

No, you don't, because you're allowed to silently drop MAX_STREAM_ID frames for closed streams. We have text about that already.

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MAX_STREAM_DATA should not be able to be transmitted on uni-directional until frames have been received on the same or a higher numbered stream of same type. Or until the stream is created for bidi streams.

If this is not the case, a peer can force the initiator to track unbounded state and frames or risk frames being received when an endpoint is not ready to handle them.

See discussion here

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As I said in that discussion, I don't think there's an unresolved issu= e here. We already have text abou= t that:

An endpoint that receives a MAX_STREAM_DATA frame for a send-only stre= am it has not opened MUST terminate the connection with error STREAM_STAT= E_ERROR.

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Sorry if that is the case. My impression was that you used it as an ex= ample to where we did not have such protection, and didn't care. I'll lea= ve it open for now since the term "has not opened" is also a bit vague. E= xactly what state must the sender be in for this to count?

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No, you don't, because you're allowed to silently drop MAX_STREAM_ID f= rames for closed streams. We have text about that already.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c430228bb2d_9043f8217ad45c07169db-- From nobody Sat Jan 19 10:15:35 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C895A130E8D for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2019 10:15:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.552 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.552 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vk2SK-IvZIKx for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2019 10:15:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 99534130E8C for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2019 10:15:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2019 10:15:30 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1547921730; bh=Vqo34LKDuonFqTiXcvsLWnhJ1XW0fh/IhXW+z5bTsjw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=FdzCCqpQFS5ra3wgeu1f1T53dGgo1JUC7gX9enfHaJYB+W1rJuS+GXRvoWGFGZxtN QZ7M2xIHGA7E/9e+pWJQvhuf3UEcfxVSI449Wrsunr7blHpqqPgyykLXBYttW+5K8M BppNnKJ9VItdFZpXsNErN6MPt1DQbPsDNu4mxGUY= From: Benjamin Saunders Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] allow STOP_SENDING on implicitly opened streams (#2352) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c43694244519_7803ff6664d45bc9267d0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: Ralith X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2019 18:15:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c43694244519_7803ff6664d45bc9267d0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ralith commented on this pull request. > @@ -4491,10 +4491,9 @@ to abruptly terminate transmission on a stream. Receipt of a STOP_SENDING frame is invalid for a locally-initiated stream that has not yet been created or is in the "Ready" state (see {{stream-send-states}}). Receiving a STOP_SENDING frame for a locally-initiated -stream that is "Ready" or not yet created MUST be treated as a connection error -of type STREAM_STATE_ERROR. An endpoint that receives a STOP_SENDING frame for -a receive-only stream MUST terminate the connection with error -STREAM_STATE_ERROR. +stream that is not yet created MUST be treated as a connection error of type Enters the Send state, I think you mean? Ready is the state that currently forbids STOP_SENDING. That seems like an effective solution, although I find this use of "created" intuitive and consistent with the "Within each type, streams are created with numerically increasing stream IDs" language. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2352#discussion_r249252818 ----==_mimepart_5c43694244519_7803ff6664d45bc9267d0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4491,10 +4491,9 @@ to abruptly terminate transmission on a stream.
 Receipt of a STOP_SENDING frame is invalid for a locally-initiated stream that
 has not yet been created or is in the "Ready" state (see
 {{stream-send-states}}). Receiving a STOP_SENDING frame for a locally-initiated
-stream that is "Ready" or not yet created MUST be treated as a connection error
-of type STREAM_STATE_ERROR.  An endpoint that receives a STOP_SENDING frame for
-a receive-only stream MUST terminate the connection with error
-STREAM_STATE_ERROR.
+stream that is not yet created MUST be treated as a connection error of type

Enters the Send state, I think you mean? Ready is the state that currently forbids STOP_SENDING.

That seems like an effective solution, although I find this use of "created" intuitive and consistent with the "Within each type, streams are created with numerically increasing stream IDs" language.

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I agree that MAX_STREAM_DATA and STOP_SENDING should have exactly the = same rules for when they're accepted, and that MAX_STREAM_DATA's current = language, while somewhat vague, permits the case that this issue enables = for STOP_SENDING. When we settle on a way to phrase this, it might be nic= e to use exactly the same language for both frames to make that clear.

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Strictly speaking, the old and new text both dictate what conditions a= n error is generated by the endpoint receiving the frame, in which case i= t is entirely appropriate to rely on that endpoint's state. The condition= s under which it's safe to send are only implied, but I suppose it wouldn= 't hurt to be explicit.

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=C2=A73.2 dictates that a receiv= e stream enters the Recv state when a higher-number stream is created. Th= at suggests the following phrasing to me:

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I think this looks good, but @RyanAtGoogle has more familiarity with this code than I do, so I'm adding him as well.

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Closing this because of the parity with HTTP/2, lets reopen if anyone asks the same question in the coming weeks/months.

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There's probably another state here if we were being entirely honest with ourselves to distinguish between a stream that has been created and one that has had frames sent for it, but this is already more complex than it needs to be. Closes #2345. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2354 -- Commit Summary -- * STOP_SENDING is permitted for Ready streams -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (7) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2354.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2354.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2354 ----==_mimepart_5c453b511c48e_58a03fdaf88d45c4569562 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

...in the case where those streams are implicitly created. There's
probably another state here if we were being entirely honest with
ourselves to distinguish between a stream that has been created and one
that has had frames sent for it, but this is already more complex than
it needs to be.

Closes #2345.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2354

Commit Summary

  • STOP_SENDING is permitted for Ready streams

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I think that we can do a little more (for instance, to the preceding sentence). See #2354.

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  • 387bdf4 Make the same changes for MAX_STREAM_DATA

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Thanks everyone. This looks nothing like what it did when it started, but it's much clearer as a result.

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----==_mimepart_5c454719375d9_7ac83f8fabad45c4437932-- From nobody Sun Jan 20 20:16:55 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51D4E12D84C for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2019 20:16:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u7Hdvb1sfSGx for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2019 20:16:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B7BE112D4E8 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2019 20:16:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2019 20:16:52 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548044212; bh=PR/nX8U3b008N5JbKhf9IdyU4NjRWC45hsB2azsEVfI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=mvR9NhZvan26Q49tEzkNIrUJsyHR4ZzpIbm3C2RDIeHmtMJcTGTJ8h0UA4TcmK80b EzFOCK0diyv6MhdJezUGnApUmJPxMiufnanRE/qqzANaEOvKpIUDr6aD85XLOzP075 A8tKw5IJ4yRMitcZ8q/kSCv2wpzqOr80uHH1FHfE= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] loss of only two packets can lead to an unrecoverable situation (#2267) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c4547b410270_cfd3f844f0d45b8115237"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 04:16:54 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c4547b410270_cfd3f844f0d45b8115237 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Having thought about this some more myself, I'm pretty happy with what we have. We don't throw away keys until they aren't needed (as @kazuho points out), plus a little extra. So I think that this is a case of "phew, false alarm". If anything, we should be discussing whether the timer is needed at all. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2267#issuecomment-455943537 ----==_mimepart_5c4547b410270_cfd3f844f0d45b8115237 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Having thought about this some more myself, I'm pretty happy with what= we have. We don't throw away keys until they aren't needed (as @kazu= ho points out), plus a little extra. So I think that this is a case = of "phew, false alarm".

If anything, we should be discussing whether the timer is needed at al= l.

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I don=E2=80=99t think this is the case. In the scenario I described, t= he server sent and received all CRYPTO frames, and it sent acknowledgment= s for all the packets. This satisfies the condition for dropping the keys= (since it says all the corresponding acknowledgments have been recei= ved OR sent).

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----==_mimepart_5c454be28278c_7173f9298ed45bc20127-- From nobody Sun Jan 20 20:35:04 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4640512D4F2 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2019 20:35:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.007 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.007 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wh6mHCJI5cya for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2019 20:34:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 41AA912D4E8 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2019 20:34:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2019 20:34:58 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548045298; bh=AVrKTm5Wcvo3qGRWMmkNmtcB9Kcp+wEE34+RjwLEu30=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=tPU48Th20D/s9rzHiZu3i53GEbgRh8oOgJMiGO505uLUM+loammIB1hd642OSMOpo 8xvNDXE3MJbuW4qa/kjhmbntuu7+0wHoThIH4Uput/D5tGC4C/3cdLdTHnHDOZfh0f fP2Cu2qgD9kHY8ag819I2SYQ1bMxwYDt7hPEUPX0= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow servers to send a preferred address of each address family (#2296) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c454bf272d02_10c03faece2d45bc2151ce"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 04:35:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c454bf272d02_10c03faece2d45bc2151ce Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You could wait until I had time to check it, that's all. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2296#issuecomment-455945739 ----==_mimepart_5c454bf272d02_10c03faece2d45bc2151ce Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

You could wait until I had time to check it, that's all.

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As long as the idle timeout is longer than the draining period would b= e, I think that this is right. The text was there to allow for the case = where a peer attempted to restart use of the connection near the end of t= he idle timeout period, but was unsuccessful. On balance, a stateless re= set is better in that case.

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This is a non-issue, with the clarifications in the PRs incoming. Tha= t is, you can only receive MAX_STREAM_DATA for a stream that you have dec= ided to open. At that point you have decided to track considerably more = state than a flow control limit. We can leave this until #2354= or similar lands.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c454d1f8a9f4_1a203fdefbed45bc1079126-- From nobody Sun Jan 20 20:53:21 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CBBC12D84C for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2019 20:53:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k9wS3M9WgkmE for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2019 20:53:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-15.smtp.github.com (out-15.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 062E812867A for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2019 20:53:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2019 20:53:17 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548046397; bh=3ExwMDlWjlcZfAWdKxS5HPUQb3WODV+Q45yZjRpJqU8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=jQX9yqK109JYwPwhLE6jktNL+7G+/czqnyCoUSk75ucOgcWN0dii4tU9NUC3hqguj 5XldHpoOMyJOE7jJoAl0YzbVTGaARqckt5CiHjEakjJst52BKXEmhFDxx2/GCw8hED wmQrLnaC79IJi+iY2LXXxy5uQSot0r6KEIkRWKWk= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Specify IPv6 flow label for QUIC (#2348) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c45503d51259_60153f95120d45bc7832d0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 04:53:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c45503d51259_60153f95120d45bc7832d0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So the real problem here is that if we do have labels, we want to guarantee that we don't create linkability at the IP layer. The costs for forwarding in the network seem manageable, and the load balancer is supposed to know what connection IDs are and use those for consistently routing. Using the flow label for the first packet, assuming a stateful load balancer, as described in RFC 7098 seems fairly consistent with this. The stateless processing is made worse by virtue of having to find the connection ID, so much of the benefit there is lost for a purely stateless load balancer. BTW, I don't like this statement in 7098: > o SSL and HTTP proxies, if present, should forward the flow label value towards the server. This usually has no performance benefit, but it is consistent with the general model for the flow label described in RFC 6437. That's only really going to benefit traffic analysis, which isn't a great outcome. One advantage of terminating TLS is that there is some remixing and re-encryption of inbound and forwarded data. In any case, simple 1:1 mappings across this sort of proxy aren't always feasible as the proxy tends to route requests and not connections. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2348#issuecomment-455948049 ----==_mimepart_5c45503d51259_60153f95120d45bc7832d0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

So the real problem here is that if we do have labels, we want to guar= antee that we don't create linkability at the IP layer. The costs for fo= rwarding in the network seem manageable, and the load balancer is suppose= d to know what connection IDs are and use those for consistently routing.= Using the flow label for the first packet, assuming a stateful load bal= ancer, as described in RFC 7098 seems fairly consistent with this. The s= tateless processing is made worse by virtue of having to find the connect= ion ID, so much of the benefit there is lost for a purely stateless load = balancer.

BTW, I don't like this statement in 7098:

o SSL and HTTP proxies, if present, should forward the flow label
= value towards the server. This usually has no performance
benefit, but it is consistent with the general model for the flow
label described in RFC 6437.

That's only really going to benefit traffic analysis, which isn't a gr= eat outcome. One advantage of terminating TLS is that there is some remi= xing and re-encryption of inbound and forwarded data. In any case, simpl= e 1:1 mappings across this sort of proxy aren't always feasible as the pr= oxy tends to route requests and not connections.

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Yeah, that seems like too simple a DoS.

It sort of highlights the need to implement much of the migration machinery if you consider the risk of NAT rebinding. Unless you plan to only permit remote address changes based on a "same network" heuristic.

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That seems slightly wrong, because why would someone send something then give up without receiving anything in return, but that is actually possible in the presence of packet loss. And changing your mind is perfectly acceptable. But RESET_STREAM doesn't really cover it. Streams can get blocked, requests can go out with additional flow control credits, and maybe even STOP_SENDING makes sense. So this changes it so that any stream-related frame (those that exist to convey application state or manage it), can be sent in 0-RTT. That seems more principled than just adding RESET_STREAM. 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That seems slightly wrong, because why would someone send something then give up without receiving anything in return, but that is actually possible in the presence of packet loss. And changing your mind is perfectly acceptable. But RESET_STREAM doesn't really cover it. Streams can get blocked, requests can go out with additional flow control credits, and maybe even STOP_SENDING makes sense. So this changes it so that any stream-related frame (those that exist to convey application state or manage it), can be sent in 0-RTT. That seems more principled than just adding RESET_STREAM. Closes #2344. 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In #2344, @kazuho suggests that we could allow RESET_STREAM in 0-RTT.
That seems slightly wrong, because why would someone send something then
give up without receiving anything in return, but that is actually
possible in the presence of packet loss. And changing your mind is
perfectly acceptable.

But RESET_STREAM doesn't really cover it. Streams can get blocked,
requests can go out with additional flow control credits, and maybe even
STOP_SENDING makes sense. So this changes it so that any stream-related
frame (those that exist to convey application state or manage it), can
be sent in 0-RTT. That seems more principled than just adding
RESET_STREAM.

Closes #2344.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2355

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  • Allow stream-related frames in 0-RTT

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I have been thinking about linkability, but I don't think that's actua= lly an issue. Assume that we set:

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This does not volunteer any information that is not in the packet alre= ady. In particular, if the DCID changes, so does the label. The only conc= ern is if there is no DCID (L=3D0) and the packet traverses a NAT. In tha= t case, the flow label could survive, which could be useful for tracking.= But then, in theory, there are no NAT in IPv6...

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4479,16 +4479,15 @@ Final Size:
 ## STOP_SENDING Frame {#frame-stop-sending}
 
 An endpoint uses a STOP_SENDING frame (type=0x05) to communicate that incoming
-data is being discarded on receipt at application request.  This signals a peer
-to abruptly terminate transmission on a stream.
+data is being discarded on receipt at application request.  STOP_SENDING
+requests that a peer to cease transmission on a stream.

"requests that" usually calls for the subjunctive mood:

...requests that a peer cease transmission...

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----==_mimepart_5c45cdd816b56_4d713fa53ccd45bc11498f-- From nobody Mon Jan 21 11:22:48 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77B31126BED for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2019 11:22:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.935 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26DJHQ8gzt5U for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2019 11:22:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A1C58130F81 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2019 11:22:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 11:22:39 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548098559; bh=Kay7i8Vnd/nrqR62RvRnRIKaqVnT2SFV6dTDPlQra8w=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=jvmMVybYdOyiy2SSVTHehDa2nEnGUJbt4kMkMVJBvvUhfUhqE6CKMKvu/OzCw3KVu tN4O23eJfvR/P8Z5mUI4Tm27zGUOOB/c7+S14RIorC4jGungPO1xUQch2z1KGfI6Pz 31+5ke3UnpWikwF7uQuAp6uBTLXPFy7YSGRfHCt0= From: Brian E Carpenter Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Specify IPv6 flow label for QUIC (#2348) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c461bff1622d_38593f94a76d45b84529a1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: becarpenter X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 19:22:46 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c461bff1622d_38593f94a76d45b84529a1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not only are there in theory no IPv6 NATs, but as a consequence their behaviour is not specified - in particular, whether they should copy the flow label. By analogy with what [RFC 6437](https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6437) says about firewalls, they might regenerate the flow label. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2348#issuecomment-456176501 ----==_mimepart_5c461bff1622d_38593f94a76d45b84529a1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Not only are there in theory no IPv6 NATs, but as a consequence their = behaviour is not specified - in particular, whether they should copy the = flow label. By analogy with what RFC 6437 says about firewalls, they might re= generate the flow label.

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@ianswett approved this pull request.

LG minus Dimitri's suggestion

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@ianswett, does this sound normal to you?

STOP_SENDING requests that a peer to cease transmission on a stream.

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----==_mimepart_5c4620b5d80a0_6dfb3fc2bb2d45c0189830-- From nobody Mon Jan 21 11:44:37 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EF7E12D7EA for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2019 11:44:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.935 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JU2zz3Sk1mr5 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2019 11:44:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C66EB12D4EB for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2019 11:44:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 11:44:32 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548099872; bh=ENbzLypt7HO11cf0tlAOZXhVD0uvtuqcqFFvTW2a+eY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=MakXsLf0RHgi+y341wTwqRD1rofcbrPtdh11SecPtYIBSCShs4APQzWzoGK+kVBpV n62LETjv4KBYUsYqjh/PHfsGma87UGPSAM+2ohSKHUdyuyJuRvRPKzfFcQgq3IA9YZ 1D7P9nyOH4RdLzZvaJmzWsP1E/flGjiiElrb2iSU= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] STOP_SENDING is permitted for Ready streams (#2354) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c462120e1130_7a803fb831cd45b4382964"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 19:44:36 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c462120e1130_7a803fb831cd45b4382964 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To clarify, I +1'd your suggestion. More clearly: "Looks good, but I would like you to accept Dimitri's suggestion before submitting this PR." -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2354#issuecomment-456181312 ----==_mimepart_5c462120e1130_7a803fb831cd45b4382964 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

To clarify, I +1'd your suggestion.

More clearly: "Looks good, but I would like you to accept Dimitri's suggestion before submitting this PR."

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Ah, alright. I thought it was the other way around.

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----==_mimepart_5c4621b571595_6eca3fdd916d45bc20665e-- From nobody Mon Jan 21 11:54:17 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D90C130EAB for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2019 11:54:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fCofenbUl6Nm for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2019 11:54:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B4BD130EA8 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2019 11:54:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 11:54:13 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548100453; bh=xa0x7C5bZeOwpO7G6sPU3GCLWn1iJDJx++ah+yVdgfo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=rv+LB2NDdM8ZiSEcGdmIPWACI0K3VBHf4L2arT4e9aM5i6Sg7Ttb8UJkuVcM0vH79 R3UXmKLgaYIpveQUlE5anyoOrClDUGxIbtmZ4ZNnLmY1JZb3ptmH1a6wz/wQJuhLij sJpvmwNh+wOglDrfmr/zlUJ0FMAjEICJpxMPMqW0= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow stream-related frames in 0-RTT (#2355) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c462365c5bdd_57793fac720d45b8164595"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 19:54:16 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c462365c5bdd_57793fac720d45b8164595 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ianswett commented on this pull request. > @@ -334,9 +334,11 @@ encryption levels: - ACK frames MAY appear in packets of any encryption level other than 0-RTT, but can only acknowledge packets which appeared in that packet number space. -- STREAM frames MUST ONLY appear in the 0-RTT and 1-RTT levels. +- All stream- and flow control-related frame types (RESET_STREAM, STOP_SENDING, Is the '-' after stream intentional? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2355#pullrequestreview-194743956 ----==_mimepart_5c462365c5bdd_57793fac720d45b8164595 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -334,9 +334,11 @@ encryption levels:
 - ACK frames MAY appear in packets of any encryption level other than 0-RTT, but
   can only acknowledge packets which appeared in that packet number space.
 
-- STREAM frames MUST ONLY appear in the 0-RTT and 1-RTT levels.
+- All stream- and flow control-related frame types (RESET_STREAM, STOP_SENDING,

Is the '-' after stream intentional?

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

I'm ok with the change, but I think we should be clear that these frames are 0-RTT or 1-RTT only.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -334,9 +334,11 @@ encryption levels:
 - ACK frames MAY appear in packets of any encryption level other than 0-RTT, but
   can only acknowledge packets which appeared in that packet number space.
 
-- STREAM frames MUST ONLY appear in the 0-RTT and 1-RTT levels.
+- All stream- and flow control-related frame types (RESET_STREAM, STOP_SENDING,
+  STREAM, MAX_DATA, MAX_STREAM_DATA, MAX_STREAMS, DATA_BLOCKED,
+  STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED, and STREAM_BLOCKED) MAY appear in the 0-RTT level.

This no longer says that these MUST ONLY appear at 0-RTT and 1-RTT levels. I think keeping that statement is helpful

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flow_label =3D F(dest_address, dest_port, DCID, per_node_seed)=

This does not volunteer any information that is not in the packet alre= ady.

This is only true if F() isn't reversible. If per_= node_seed can be extracted, that's a very good correlator, really = only limited by the 20 bits the label carries. Assuming you mean to use = HKDF or similar here, that would be fine.

The zero-length connection ID case is interesting. We might simply ad= vise that the flow label be derived from a counter in that case, which is= incremented each time the connection ID would otherwise change.

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----==_mimepart_5c4637e7d328e_12323f98382d45b492401d-- From nobody Mon Jan 21 13:46:43 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B5B5129B88 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2019 13:46:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wH_5L0SPW9OL for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2019 13:46:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F9771200B3 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2019 13:46:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 13:46:38 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548107198; bh=Cdzk/VKcVYoJK5zexwTKs92XAKFEd727vhA3S6P1FM4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=bv9ZRbc1qjcv4dDoU/aTWa8Gq8FApRYBeCJnd2+jGNIp3PtWGUPx5HpnFCJf7ThaP RGyxkAVA0S19Yg3YN4UZQWxhhDvfUfWqJwhucZH09y6zpbHRrDKgyj1hPYhNT7/8oI f5vBicT7Yui2mCWNb3soDSew8MVq0WMFt4COuq8o= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] RESET_STREAM should be allowed in 0-RTT packets (#2344) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c463dbe1afcc_7c3d3faadfed45bc1018479"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 21:46:42 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c463dbe1afcc_7c3d3faadfed45bc1018479 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bring the discussion back from #2355. I'm thinking about @marten-seemann's comment there and I think that it would be easier if we were able to permit any frame type in 0-RTT (except CRYPTO, which has nothing to carry). In thinking about this, the main concern is whether there is any replay risk associated with any of these frames. Going through each, I didn't find anything. Though replay does result in spurious state being created, it's all transient and connection-bound, not application state. In general, all connection-level control messages affect only connection state, which goes away when the connection goes away. And replayed 0-RTT always results in the connection being thrown out as the full handshake cannot successfully complete twice. There might be some application-level significance to resetting streams in addition to carrying stream data, particularly when you consider the potential for selective replay. An attacker with sufficient knowledge of the contents of packets could replay some packets and not others to effect changes. But while the signals that a server application might receive are different, they are not outside of the range of possible signals that a client accepts as possible when sending the 0-RTT. That is, if the server receives a partial stream rather than a complete stream, that is a potential outcome that the client has to accept as a possibility even when there is no attack. If there are lasting application-layer effects from a RESET_STREAM (or STOP_SENDING), then this might cause problems. But the application actively chooses to accept those risks by triggering these actions before the handshake is complete. In addition, RESET_STREAM is a poor carrier for state-changing action because its semantics are better suited to abandoning state-changing effects, not creating them. It would be a poor choice in protocol design to carry any application-layer signal with RESET_STREAM that implied a need for some action. HTTP does this with CONNECT in a way, but that is only to match with a TCP RST and comes with no real expectation of it being reliable. In the end, I conclude that we should permit all frames in 0-RTT and 1-RTT. While there is some increased risk here, I think that this is best left to the 0-RTT profile for the protocol that uses QUIC. For HTTP, where the only application-layer effect RESET_STREAM can have is to cancel requests, the result is to reduce exposure to replay. Other protocols will need to make their own assessment about safety, but I don't anticipate problems. I'll adjust #2355 to match. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Bring the discussion back from #2355. I'm thinking abou= t @marten-seemann's comment there and I think that it wo= uld be easier if we were able to permit any frame type in 0-RTT (except C= RYPTO, which has nothing to carry).

In thinking about this, the main concern is whether there is any repla= y risk associated with any of these frames. Going through each, I didn't= find anything. Though replay does result in spurious state being create= d, it's all transient and connection-bound, not application state. In ge= neral, all connection-level control messages affect only connection state= , which goes away when the connection goes away. And replayed 0-RTT alwa= ys results in the connection being thrown out as the full handshake canno= t successfully complete twice.

There might be some application-level significance to resetting stream= s in addition to carrying stream data, particularly when you consider the= potential for selective replay. An attacker with sufficient knowledge o= f the contents of packets could replay some packets and not others to eff= ect changes. But while the signals that a server application might recei= ve are different, they are not outside of the range of possible signals t= hat a client accepts as possible when sending the 0-RTT. That is, if the= server receives a partial stream rather than a complete stream, that is = a potential outcome that the client has to accept as a possibility even w= hen there is no attack.

If there are lasting application-layer effects from a RESET_STREAM (or= STOP_SENDING), then this might cause problems. But the application acti= vely chooses to accept those risks by triggering these actions before the= handshake is complete.

In addition, RESET_STREAM is a poor carrier for state-changing action = because its semantics are better suited to abandoning state-changing effe= cts, not creating them. It would be a poor choice in protocol design to = carry any application-layer signal with RESET_STREAM that implied a need = for some action. HTTP does this with CONNECT in a way, but that is only = to match with a TCP RST and comes with no real expectation of it being re= liable.

In the end, I conclude that we should permit all frames in 0-RTT and 1= -RTT. While there is some increased risk here, I think that this is best= left to the 0-RTT profile for the protocol that uses QUIC. For HTTP, wh= ere the only application-layer effect RESET_STREAM can have is to cancel = requests, the result is to reduce exposure to replay. Other protocols wi= ll need to make their own assessment about safety, but I don't anticipate= problems.

I'll adjust #2355 to match.

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OK, big changes here based on doing more analysis. Please re-review.

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----==_mimepart_5c464bed96329_53c53fc9a80d45c413349f-- From nobody Mon Jan 21 15:59:02 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF00E12E036 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2019 15:59:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.552 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.552 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fDd4JFyCVINF for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2019 15:59:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1539412D4F0 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2019 15:59:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 15:58:58 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548115138; bh=n2nAUEiObwJIVGvAwnsdd4lummGydfKR5DfkJKYPu/0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=jGNb4TooNiVbQKIYG7ZwnUzhdSjHRmhzE4rxbCIBaIDq/+RXIxN+M1Nf8DnC6DseY bz0lECejGTSSUnlrN6pOkX1H9pNWiLUsTjfDeHjzPLcDp9JP79+bWFTH8qwlmR2L+J E7x4mPQYse/kTIeO//EzbfdMJWWkZeN2DLBFZ2eY= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] RESET_STREAM should be allowed in 0-RTT packets (#2344) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c465cc2ddd00_2c873f928a6d45b454647a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 23:59:02 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c465cc2ddd00_2c873f928a6d45b454647a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think this is an improvement but I am a bit anxious. What happens to special frames related to connection migration that might affect a server view of a remembered client. What about tokens stored for future use - perhaps when looking towards v2 where things get more symmetrical. What about path migration and validation. What about 100 coalesced 0-RTT packets forcing 3x amp path validation, or something, in each - is that a possibility? I like the simplicity of all frames - but black listing frames in a 0-RTT receive handler is not hard either - iff valid frames are clearly document. There could be a lot of hidden complexity in 0-RTT that we do not fully appreciate yet. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2344#issuecomment-456227919 ----==_mimepart_5c465cc2ddd00_2c873f928a6d45b454647a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think this is an improvement but I am a bit anxious.

What happens to special frames related to connection migration that mi= ght affect a server view of a remembered client. What about tokens stored= for future use - perhaps when looking towards v2 where things get more s= ymmetrical. What about path migration and validation. What about 100 coal= esced 0-RTT packets forcing 3x amp path validation, or something, in each= - is that a possibility?

I like the simplicity of all frames - but black listing frames in a 0-= RTT receive handler is not hard either - iff valid frames are clearly doc= ument. There could be a lot of hidden complexity in 0-RTT that we do not = fully appreciate yet.

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Going through each, I didn't find anything. Though replay does result in spurious state being created, it's all transient and connection-bound, not application state. In general, all connection-level control messages affect only connection state, which goes away when the connection goes away. And replayed 0-RTT always results in the connection being thrown out as the full handshake cannot successfully complete twice. The problem with 0-RTT in QUIC is that, unlike TLS 1.3 (that has max_early_data_size), there is no limit in the amount of data that the client can send using the 0-RTT key. IIUC, currently, it's entirely up to the client to decide when it switches from 0-RTT to 1-RTT keys. As we know, Initial and 0-RTT packets can be replayed against different servers within a server cluster that does not (cannot) implement the use-only-once rule for the session tickets. I am concerned that widening how 0-RTT packets can be used might lead to additional exposure to the attack surface. An attack would go like this: 1. an attacker creates a legitimate connection and obtains a session ticket 2. the attacker reconnects using the session ticket, and exchanges lots of information with the server (involving MAX_DATA, MAX_STREAMS, etc.). However, the attacker sticks to using 0-RTT for packets it emits, even after the handshake is complete. 3. simultaneously, the attacker creates many QUIC connections using the same Initial packet as that of step 2, and then sends the copied 0-RTT packets. The server will handle those and commit state. Because the client never responds with an 1-RTT ACK, the connection will eventually die. However, a client can create a connection with huge PTO (by delaying Initial packets) to have enough time to let the server accept many packets. IMO it is preferable to allow less frames in 0-RTT packets, because it narrows the attack vector. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@martinthomson

In thinking about this, the main concern is whether there is any repla= y risk associated with any of these frames. Going through each, I didn't = find anything. Though replay does result in spurious state being created,= it's all transient and connection-bound, not application state. In gener= al, all connection-level control messages affect only connection state, w= hich goes away when the connection goes away. And replayed 0-RTT always r= esults in the connection being thrown out as the full handshake cannot su= ccessfully complete twice.

The problem with 0-RTT in QUIC is that, unlike TLS 1.3 (that has max_e= arly_data_size), there is no limit in the amount of data that the client = can send using the 0-RTT key. IIUC, currently, it's entirely up to the cl= ient to decide when it switches from 0-RTT to 1-RTT keys.

As we know, Initial and 0-RTT packets can be replayed against differen= t servers within a server cluster that does not (cannot) implement the us= e-only-once rule for the session tickets. I am concerned that widening ho= w 0-RTT packets can be used might lead to additional exposure to the atta= ck surface.

An attack would go like this:

  1. an attacker creates a legitimate connection and obtains a session tic= ket
  2. the attacker reconnects using the session ticket, and exchanges lots = of information with the server (involving MAX_DATA, MAX_STREAMS, etc.). H= owever, the attacker sticks to using 0-RTT for packets it emits, even aft= er the handshake is complete.
  3. simultaneously, the attacker creates many QUIC connections using the = same Initial packet as that of step 2, and then sends the copied 0-RTT pa= ckets. The server will handle those and commit state. Because the client = never responds with an 1-RTT ACK, the connection will eventually die. How= ever, a client can create a connection with huge PTO (by delaying Initial= packets) to have enough time to let the server accept many packets.
    4. =

IMO it is preferable to allow less frames in 0-RTT packets, because it= narrows the attack vector.

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As stated in
#2344 (comment), my preference goes to naming the frames that are necessary for 0-RTT to work rather than allowing any frames to be used (with the only exceptions being CRYPTO and ACK).

Besides, now that we have a section for Replay Attacks using 0-RTT, it might make sense to recommend servers not sending MAX_DATA, MAX_STREAM_DATA, MAX_STREAMS frames until the handshake is complete. This works as a replacement of max_early_data_size that we have in TLS 1.3.

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@kazuho,

The problem with 0-RTT in QUIC is that, unlike TLS 1.3 (that has max_e= arly_data_size), there is no limit in the amount of data that the client = can send using the 0-RTT key. IIUC, currently, it's entirely up to the cl= ient to decide when it switches from 0-RTT to 1-RTT keys.

QUIC uses initial_max_data for that purpose. You can't r= eceive a flow control update, so whatever value you have for that determi= nes how much 0-RTT you can send.

In thinking through this, I realized that the client can't send 0-RTT = after receiving 1-RTT from the server. A client won't have the keys unti= l it has the entire handshake flight from the server, at which point it h= as to switch to 1-RTT keys. So this all comes down to the same calculus = we have in TLS/TCP, after you have spent a little bit of time on the ques= tion of RESET_STREAM and its effect on long-term application state.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c467197e9dec_390f3fe5574d45b4660392-- From nobody Mon Jan 21 17:46:32 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31FDC130EDC for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2019 17:46:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ss7vRUeXYzju for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2019 17:46:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8C1A2130EC5 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2019 17:46:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 17:46:27 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548121587; bh=X7Rc42EqrCLUEjFdAazm3db95kMX97912jRTjXBHf9c=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=IRVu36wNhnPo4aYlGicgZGl2NZtVWRECf+rMTj19DE+bCow94csN6+bqgW631AAdb cqlxN22FznuT0oCRthlCMmy1/Axlp99o8iexGr+eZyYQVdAw8IcgofnCChNpzGdwR0 3p+zulrJvi5Mj7rKjPxgFz5W6+YKVnuzDierc6og= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] RESET_STREAM should be allowed in 0-RTT packets (#2344) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c4675f39a8d8_11d73ffd376d45c47580a1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2019 01:46:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c4675f39a8d8_11d73ffd376d45c47580a1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinthomson >> The problem with 0-RTT in QUIC is that, unlike TLS 1.3 (that has max_early_data_size), there is no limit in the amount of data that the client can send using the 0-RTT key. IIUC, currently, it's entirely up to the client to decide when it switches from 0-RTT to 1-RTT keys. > > QUIC uses `initial_max_data` for that purpose. You can't receive a flow control update, so whatever value you have for that determines how much 0-RTT you can send. My understanding is that an attacker acting as a client _can_ receive flow control updates (in 1-RTT packets), and use the updated value for emitting additional 0-RTT packets. Something like following: * client obtains to a server and obtains session ticket and TP * client reconnects, sends 0-RTT packets containing a STREAM frame (id=0, off=TP.initial_max_data-1, len=1) * server sends handshake messages and a 1-RTT packet that contains MAX_DATA (maximum_data=TP.inital_max_data*3), because it observes the client reaching the limit * client sends a _0-RTT_ packet containing a STREAM frame (id=0, off=TP.initial_max_data*3-1, len=1) * server sends another 1-RTT packet containing MAX_DATA... * client sends a _0-RTT_ packet containing a yet another STREAM frame... -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2344#issuecomment-456243038 ----==_mimepart_5c4675f39a8d8_11d73ffd376d45c47580a1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@martinthomson

The problem with 0-RTT in QUIC is that, unlike TLS 1.3 (that has max_e= arly_data_size), there is no limit in the amount of data that the client = can send using the 0-RTT key. IIUC, currently, it's entirely up to the cl= ient to decide when it switches from 0-RTT to 1-RTT keys.

QUIC uses initial_max_data for that purpose. You can't re= ceive a flow control update, so whatever value you have for that determin= es how much 0-RTT you can send.

My understanding is that an attacker acting as a client can r= eceive flow control updates (in 1-RTT packets), and use the updated value= for emitting additional 0-RTT packets. Something like following:

  • client obtains to a server and obtains session ticket and TP
  • client reconnects, sends 0-RTT packets containing a STREAM frame (id=3D= 0, off=3DTP.initial_max_data-1, len=3D1)
  • server sends handshake messages and a 1-RTT packet that contains MAX_= DATA (maximum_data=3DTP.inital_max_data*3), because it observes the clien= t reaching the limit
  • client sends a 0-RTT packet containing a STREAM frame (id=3D= 0, off=3DTP.initial_max_data*3-1, len=3D1)
  • server sends another 1-RTT packet containing MAX_DATA...
  • client sends a 0-RTT packet containing a yet another STREAM = frame...

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@ghedo requested changes on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -326,17 +326,12 @@ encryption levels:
 
 - CRYPTO frames MAY appear in packets of any encryption level except 0-RTT.
 
-- CONNECTION_CLOSE MAY appear in packets of any encryption level other than

Section 10.3 of the transport draft says that if 1-RTT keys are not available, CONNECTION_CLOSE can be sent in Initial and Handshake, but if I read this right, this change means that CONNECTION_CLOSE can only be sent in 1-RTT and 0-RTT?

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

I think the additional text on replay is helpful, but the Kazuho makes an interesting point about only allowing specific frames in 0-RTT and not allowing MAX_DATA.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -326,17 +326,12 @@ encryption levels:
 
 - CRYPTO frames MAY appear in packets of any encryption level except 0-RTT.
 
-- CONNECTION_CLOSE MAY appear in packets of any encryption level other than

Given we can't stateless reset the connection until the handshake is complete, I really want to continue allowing CONNECTION_CLOSE in Initial and Handshake.

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@nibanks approved this pull request.

Generally looks good. Just need to make sure CONNECTION_CLOSE is allowed everywhere.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -326,17 +326,12 @@ encryption levels:
 
 - CRYPTO frames MAY appear in packets of any encryption level except 0-RTT.
 
-- CONNECTION_CLOSE MAY appear in packets of any encryption level other than

+1, I feel like we've had this discussion several times and all agreed that CONNECTION_CLOSE needs to be allowed in Initial and Handshake packets.

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----==_mimepart_5c472aa0d2274_33503ff95ced45b48139aa-- From nobody Tue Jan 22 07:31:29 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4FC7130F24 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2019 07:31:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id smwN3MC-lOzn for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2019 07:31:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BBDA6126CC7 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2019 07:31:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2019 07:31:24 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548171084; bh=vQfRrMzuPbtXDgJg1uRSTBr3n2Ki4iDqLERSdIhA8S8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=O/KruErOqgae3eiu5wNCFFeHbmcu2qAxYhTcxv/UrlSLLm5hu9rcc8gVHSBmzPmsT Y8hybxl3aySQ4sx+koqlAvyMnZbSHmFvKXk6OH8GTYYEDyZD1nLF4YBY8vlAYtxjB9 F1bWNt0qAbrpyzrCTjF7KKK9KzfNcm61ysJAYBWM= From: Robin Marx Reply-To: quicwg/wg-materials To: quicwg/wg-materials Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/wg-materials] Add remote debugging session info (#99) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c47374c79176_521a3f81dc8d45bc19011d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: rmarx X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2019 15:31:28 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c47374c79176_521a3f81dc8d45bc19011d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Given the time difference between Belgium and Tokyo (8 hours) a 4PM timeslot seems best. 3PM is probably the earliest I can really do. I would propose to try on the first day and if it gets pushed off the schedule by the other issues, try again on the second. I am also free at that timeslot the 28th and 29th, if those would be better. I currently plan to keep the presentation short (5 - 10 minutes) with hopefully a little bit of time for initial feedback. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/pull/99 -- Commit Summary -- * Add remote debugging session info -- File Changes -- M interim-19-01/agenda.md (3) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/pull/99.patch https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/pull/99.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/pull/99 ----==_mimepart_5c47374c79176_521a3f81dc8d45bc19011d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Given the time difference between Belgium and Tokyo (8 hours) a 4PM timeslot seems best. 3PM is probably the earliest I can really do.

I would propose to try on the first day and if it gets pushed off the schedule by the other issues, try again on the second.
I am also free at that timeslot the 28th and 29th, if those would be better.

I currently plan to keep the presentation short (5 - 10 minutes) with hopefully a little bit of time for initial feedback.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/pull/99

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  • Add remote debugging session info

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Currently, persistent congestion is only determine when the required number of probes have been sent. But probes aren't sent if the app layer continues to send data. This likely means the persistent congestion determination should be time based instead of probe count based.

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The send state machine diagram says that if the "Peer Creates Bidirectional Stream" it should transition to READY and then to SEND. The text says ""a bidrectional stream initiated by a peer... enters the 'Ready' state then immediately transitions to the 'Send' state if the receiving part enters the 'Recv' state."

This seems unnecessarily indirect and opaque. I suggest that instead we say that if a host receives STREAM, STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED, RESET_STREAM, MAX_STREAM_DATA, or STOP_SENDING on an unopened, peer-initiated bidirectional stream, it transitions directly to the "Send" state.

If people agree, I'll file a PR.

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"or the peer creates a higher-numbered stream"

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I agree this wasn't the intent of the text.

I'm not sure this is an important problem to solve in practice, but I'm happy to review if a PR if you want to write one up?

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----==_mimepart_5c475211748f7_5bf53f8ad34d45c02355d4-- From nobody Tue Jan 22 10:46:29 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 821FD130EE1 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2019 10:46:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.007 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.007 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EJO-QOgp6tpQ for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2019 10:46:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B2D2D1292F1 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2019 10:46:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2019 10:46:24 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548182784; bh=FYof6qALrgNHhitcnOlWQO0tzgS+HcDQcnuQbiyKME4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=FsVpaXbjcwiGzDxKywoMHCN8EBgVikBb1or6Aq0PK4t1euzkUC0AkpPPbW6cOaQ+l xzNemiPbNV9iB263Wt+FFWO6gI/XIOZ2mTak2Iqm8WMmlW5v2zW5ee7gIzGwwuM6B+ zqp0dG6PaYg2HNqvCXS8TUxRB8oS3TiG65zQ3vCg= From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] STOP_SENDING is permitted for Ready streams (#2354) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c47650073cf0_460d3fda4c8d45bc67488"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2019 18:46:28 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c47650073cf0_460d3fda4c8d45bc67488 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This LGTM. I was just about to file a similar issue when I saw this. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2354#issuecomment-456515975 ----==_mimepart_5c47650073cf0_460d3fda4c8d45bc67488 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This LGTM. I was just about to file a similar issue when I saw this.

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I believe there's loophole in these limits.

If the peer has given me uni credit but not bidi credit, I can open a uni send stream and send data. Are we counting on all applications to handle this correctly? (e.g. HTTP/3 will prohibit a request on a uni stream)

Similarly, if I have bidi credit but not uni credit, I can open a bidi stream with a STOP_SENDING.

Are we comfortable that the abuse cases are benign? Now that there is no "max-stream-id" parameter, it is more straightforward for stream limits to be global, should we decide that's better.

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I think this is a good question, and I believe we decided on separate li= mits because people thought they were useful for HTTP, particularly in the = context of server push where you may want to limit the number of pushes? B= ut now we have MAX_PUSH_ID at the HTTP layer, so that particular use case i= sn't a good motivation.

If we believe a single limit is better, I think we would end up wanting = to revisit a variety of design details, so I suspect the WG is not excited = about that.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c476af226404_41933fd20e6d45b41068cd-- From nobody Tue Jan 22 11:12:01 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9974130F99 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2019 11:11:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.552 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.552 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FOoxjAiSMkNG for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2019 11:11:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CBF0112785F for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2019 11:11:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2019 11:11:52 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548184312; bh=TWRBkUi9eSE2H+9M+AIeGB3L7w/3r6oB6AmUQfeVu1Y=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=A8xLv1CZVoWZ5XtqagP28bUfF3CBFQslEpYUnTQkjTVLYOYlkPD6wVx7BZUD7Mhoe pmc3vRcLWYrdiFf6kSb7Z7l5o6JyOvXQLay3DtQGX+ade3ge7ctbkRmma4KwXhA24t S7EubCIUHw//KiisFyz88t/dKAPjGuuCkRfHkfdY= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] RESET_STREAM should be allowed in 0-RTT packets (#2344) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c476af8ae020_7b603ff070ad45bc1449cd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2019 19:11:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c476af8ae020_7b603ff070ad45bc1449cd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Because the client here is an attacker. However, I'm not seeing as much threat related to this specific change -- this is something the client can do regardless (generating many connections and causing state to be allocated for each). So the attack here is to artificially create a large batch of (hopefully work-intensive) 0-RTT packets which are legitimate given a particular session ticket. Then open a large set of parallel connections using the same session ticket and dump all those 0-RTT packets into each connection. To guard against this, TLS 1.3 recommends [not accepting a given session ticket for multiple connections](https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8446#section-8.1). This defense is the same for QUIC, and lives in the TLS layer. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2344#issuecomment-456525094 ----==_mimepart_5c476af8ae020_7b603ff070ad45bc1449cd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Because the client here is an attacker. However, I'm not seeing as mu= ch threat related to this specific change -- this is something the client= can do regardless (generating many connections and causing state to be a= llocated for each).

So the attack here is to artificially create a large batch of (hopeful= ly work-intensive) 0-RTT packets which are legitimate given a particular = session ticket. Then open a large set of parallel connections using the = same session ticket and dump all those 0-RTT packets into each connection= .

To guard against this, TLS 1.3 recommends not accepting a given se= ssion ticket for multiple connections. This defense is the same for = QUIC, and lives in the TLS layer.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -326,17 +326,12 @@ encryption levels:
 
 - CRYPTO frames MAY appear in packets of any encryption level except 0-RTT.
 
-- CONNECTION_CLOSE MAY appear in packets of any encryption level other than

Arghh, I need to revert this one.

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In interim-19-01/agenda.md:

> @@ -49,6 +49,9 @@ _~15 minutes_
 - Next interop
 - Getting done
 
+### Remote presentations

Please just put the bullet under "As Time Permits" - no reason for a separate section.

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That is, the extra frames that it might receive, which aren't really limited in any way by flow control or other such limitations, might cause it to do too much work? This doesn't sound that interesting to me. There is always a risk when you accept 0-RTT that the client or data is bad. As @MikeBishop points out, you shouldn't be accepting the same 0-RTT multiple times. The recommendations in TLS 1.3 provide some tips on how to avoid that. But even if your server configuration doesn't allow you to detect that and stop it, the work you expend on 0-RTT packets is a cost that you take on. And you take on that work with the understanding of the associated risk of replay. Clients can always send far more stuff than you are prepared to process; servers just need to make the call. For instance, rejecting 0-RTT would be my first response to increasing server load. If a client chooses to send 0-RTT when 1-RTT keys are available to it, maybe we can allow servers to cut them off. 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Is the concern here about a denial of service attack on the server? Tha= t is, the extra frames that it might receive, which aren't really limited i= n any way by flow control or other such limitations, might cause it to do t= oo much work?

This doesn't sound that interesting to me. There is always a risk when = you accept 0-RTT that the client or data is bad. As @MikeBishop = points out, you shouldn't be accepting the same 0-RTT multiple times. The = recommendations in TLS 1.3 provide some tips on how to avoid that. But ev= en if your server configuration doesn't allow you to detect that and stop i= t, the work you expend on 0-RTT packets is a cost that you take on. And yo= u take on that work with the understanding of the associated risk of replay= . Clients can always send far more stuff than you are prepared to process;= servers just need to make the call. For instance, rejecting 0-RTT would b= e my first response to increasing server load.

If a client chooses to send 0-RTT when 1-RTT keys are available to it, m= aybe we can allow servers to cut them off. That's maybe hard to police, bu= t simple things like exceeding initial flow control might be detectable. E= ven if the server has provided more credit, the client should still be oper= ating within the initial window for 0-RTT.

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There's probably another state here if we were being entirely honest with ourselves to distinguish between a stream that has been created and one that has had frames sent for it, but this is already more complex than it needs to be. Closes #2345. Commit: 387bdf44ac7dcf676b4a6e4ed497195f1d71710d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/387bdf44ac7dcf676b4a6e4ed497195f1d71710d Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-01-21 (Mon, 21 Jan 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Make the same changes for MAX_STREAM_DATA Closes #2353, #2352. Commit: 1002e762306bbbce1901fcbc468c7d2d971d1072 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1002e762306bbbce1901fcbc468c7d2d971d1072 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-01-22 (Tue, 22 Jan 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- My grammar isn't that good Commit: a6f09e44c166e531c3d9330adae7ac79b27b8c40 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a6f09e44c166e531c3d9330adae7ac79b27b8c40 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-01-23 (Wed, 23 Jan 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2354 from quicwg/stop-sending-ready STOP_SENDING is permitted for Ready streams Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/552985f06397...a6f09e44c166 **NOTE:** This service has been marked for deprecation: https://developer.github.com/changes/2018-04-25-github-services-deprecation/ Functionality will be removed from GitHub.com on January 31st, 2019. ----==_mimepart_5c477394d89b5_672c2abacd8ac5841047bb-- From nobody Tue Jan 22 11:48:50 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C04D2131007 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2019 11:48:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VWVHNACMaJ3h for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2019 11:48:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 26D67128AFB for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2019 11:48:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2019 11:48:41 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548186521; bh=unWTjONelN5jxsdXrLCUYxrYdNzjFyh8jQT930T4D3U=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ozML/K6DS7aTRjchORaISxPvTxmjUH9LvGZA58ffufn1i9TfMCHrbQPgz5HwjlgYt myRm3A9NOwRv0CQGrH8220HJBw9+XorGRz/D3bE6dN6rmADMOwrPH/D87rNm4tUwZf s/P4xAivF1XGyKTFt1AbEXcf/jXx6i0vpssje7hU= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] STOP_SENDING on implicitly opened streams is error-prone (#2345) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c47739949515_1b7a3fcdbf6d45bc119411"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2019 19:48:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c47739949515_1b7a3fcdbf6d45bc119411 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #2345 via #2354. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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I like that defense. Just to sanity check, there shouldn't be a case = in which the TLS handshake takes an extra round-trip and 0-RTT i= s accepted, right? Assuming that's true, saying that 0-RTT data MUST NOT= exceed the initial connection flow control window (even if MAX_DATA fram= es are received in 1-RTT) and a pointer to the TLS 1.3 anti-replay protec= tions seem like sufficient mitigation here.

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As @marten-seemann notes, there is a reasonable argument on the issue that most frame should simply be permitted. Would it make more sense to invert the list and instead state only where frames are prohibited?

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H2 had a bit of a blind spot about controlling the servers over committa= l of push.

For H3, MAX_PUSH_ID alone doesn't provide enough control but with additi= on of the current separate ID spaces, the client has some ability to influe= nce how available stream IDs are consumed by the server. This is because it= can restrict the available unidirectional streams. With a global counter, = a greedy server can gobble up newly freed up stream IDs that the client may= want to create for itself.

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Persistent congestion is just an amount of time (since the oldest outstanding, retransmittable packet) we should wait before declaring "something really bad is going on" for this connection, and back off. In good (non-edge) cases, the current logic works well and is fairly simple to implement. It just breaks down in the cases where any other traffic is getting periodically sent. I would propose just making a separate timer/timeout for persistent congestion. It would follow similar rules for RTO for TCP: 1. When a new packet is sent, if the PC (persistent congestion) timer isn't running, start it. 2. When you receive an ACK that acknowledged new data, restart the timer. The next question is just how long to run the timer. Assuming we want to keep the current values (sum of 3 PTOs), I think it'd be something like: `(smoothed_rtt + 4 * rttvar + max_ack_delay) * ((2 ^ 3) - 1)` If this sounds reasonable, I can attempt to put together a PR. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2356#issuecomment-456552366 ----==_mimepart_5c477dd14a1eb_286d3fb9c74d45c0522941 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Fundamentally, I think we should separate persistent congestion determ= ination from how many (if any) probes were actually sent. Persistent cong= estion is just an amount of time (since the oldest outstanding, retransmi= ttable packet) we should wait before declaring "something really bad is g= oing on" for this connection, and back off.

In good (non-edge) cases, the current logic works well and is fairly s= imple to implement. It just breaks down in the cases where any other traf= fic is getting periodically sent. I would propose just making a separate = timer/timeout for persistent congestion. It would follow similar rules fo= r RTO for TCP:

  1. When a new packet is sent, if the PC (persistent congestion) timer is= n't running, start it.
  2. When you receive an ACK that acknowledged new data, restart the timer= .

The next question is just how long to run the timer. Assuming we want = to keep the current values (sum of 3 PTOs), I think it'd be something lik= e:

(smoothed_rtt + 4 * rttvar + max_ack_delay) * ((2 ^ 3) - 1)

If this sounds reasonable, I can attempt to put together a PR.

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Nothing here for qpack. Wondering if I should just mention that the changes were editorial and leave it at that.

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Commit Summary

  • Transport changelog for -18
  • TLS changes for -18
  • HTTP changes for -18
  • Recovery changes for -18

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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 ## Since draft-ietf-quic-transport-16
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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 ## Since draft-ietf-quic-transport-16
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A very important consideration, you'll agree.

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The current structure is deliberate (operating from memory here, there are too many PRs to search through), because it captures all the events through the one entry-point. Don't feel constrained to follow the state machine in your implementation.

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Correct. TLS only takes an extra round trip with HelloRetryRequest, which results in 0-RTT being automatically rejected.

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In #2344, we discuss what can be sent in 0-RTT. We realized that while in theory the client should not be accepting 1-RTT packets from the server and then sending 0-RTT, there is nothing to prevent that.

The proposed defense is to prohibit the client from using increased limits (on flow control or streams) that it might have learned from 1-RTT packets. This ensures that 0-RTT - the parts of the connection that might be replayed - are strictly limited to the initial limits. Like many other things, we would require the client not to exceed this limits and merely allow the server to enforce that, in case the server was not inclined to do so.

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----==_mimepart_5c478e4ee4ad5_46bb3f85beed45bc4191dd-- From nobody Tue Jan 22 13:49:00 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB04C13114E for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2019 13:48:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8YplLPTdSRb7 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2019 13:48:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C524D13114A for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2019 13:48:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=frmkhutZEe/FIEpg/NGdCwrXud0=; b=px7wyGW6MTQGKy6j hUzxdxfXPV++Wf/3tdKjpaD+njTE8U91ophKtQpZ4EGOQSYRtdOn75IqXpSb5j04 fEKXJOvzAtCzt3oqUYdMFDHJO/CMrJpHPGw2Ak3ws2QmYT9QMb4qGRFtCOfJEMGJ oBHKW9Kq8jnhR54JUhfDQEYe3IM= Received: by filter1487p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1487p1mdw1-5657-5C478FC5-31 2019-01-22 21:48:53.827418996 +0000 UTC m=+682808.291542658 Received: from github-lowworker-0b1e58d.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.43]) by ismtpd0038p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id fTt3-PqRQr2VZPQcknr3Vg for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2019 21:48:53.788 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-0b1e58d.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC48E3E0852 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2019 13:48:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2019 21:48:53 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Are Separate Uni and Bidi Stream Limits Meaningful? (#2358) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c478fc5bae7e_14403fc50d2d45bc730a0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak00cuIUadYy3D5l1VgadNlCyFkjMWZrsbwgYr PXrC84z4oVvuhZuh7IGMos3qHJzLB4Ngwx4hVR8s00V4N2t27x/gGrzgXkrbFepdi11iwdy5/k35ui cSJuzlSfgfKW6oWar49IZEj8aYZuJ5CgAz6tGpwF2u0MvWQb2Qu2nacby7TXBpua8FFvMdgXsXVb7M U= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2019 21:48:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c478fc5bae7e_14403fc50d2d45bc730a0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Though functionally a bidirectional stream with accompanying STOP_SENDING looks like a unidirectional stream, it is unlikely that an application protocol will treat it as being unidirectional, because the type of stream is input to processing - bidirectional streams have different semantics. So I think that we *can* rely on application protocols dealing with this case properly. But the split has utility. At least in h3, this avoids the problem @LPardue describes. Firefox treats responses to requests and pushes very differently from a flow control perspective and the split there makes things considerably more efficient for us. MAX_PUSH_ID is insufficient - we want that to be much higher than the number of concurrent unidirectional streams so that we can learn about potential pushes. The actual limit needs to be lower, particular since the utility of push is... questionable. I can only speculate about other protocols, but I think that we have enough justification here to keep the design as-is. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2358#issuecomment-456576462 ----==_mimepart_5c478fc5bae7e_14403fc50d2d45bc730a0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Though functionally a bidirectional stream with accompanying STOP_SENDIN= G looks like a unidirectional stream, it is unlikely that an application pr= otocol will treat it as being unidirectional, because the type of stream is= input to processing - bidirectional streams have different semantics. So = I think that we can rely on application protocols dealing with thi= s case properly.

But the split has utility. At least in h3, this avoids the problem @LPa= rdue describes. Firefox treats responses to requests and pushes very d= ifferently from a flow control perspective and the split there makes things= considerably more efficient for us. MAX_PUSH_ID is insufficient - we want= that to be much higher than the number of concurrent unidirectional stream= s so that we can learn about potential pushes. The actual limit needs to b= e lower, particular since the utility of push is... questionable.

I can only speculate about other protocols, but I think that we have eno= ugh justification here to keep the design as-is.

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Fixed with recent changes.

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Closing on the basis that this is a question and we're not obligated to explain every design choice. PRs are always welcome for this sort of thing if you don't like that.

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Because the client here is an attacker. However, I'm not seeing as muc= h threat related to this specific change -- this is something the client = can do regardless (generating many connections and causing state to be al= located for each).

The difference between a DoS using 1-RTT packets and 0-RTT packets is = that the latter requires far less CPU cost on the attacker-side. This is = because an attacker can just retransmit the same packets from different s= ource tuples, whereas in 1-RTT case, an attacker needs to do expensive cr= ypto operations (especially DH) for each connection it establishes.

Therefore my preference goes to limiting the capability of 0-RTT.

I like #2360 (maybe more than the approach I described in #2355 (review)), because it clearly limits what a clien= t can do using 0-RTT for streams.

The remaining question is what we should do for non-stream-related fra= mes.

I still think that it makes sense to disallow the use of any non-strea= m-related frame in 0-RTT packets, considering the fact that:

  • the frames allowed by 0-RTT and 1-RTT packets are nevertheless going = to be different (CRYPTO, ACK)
  • in practice there's no reason to send non-stream-related frames in 0-= RTT packets
  • potential security issues related to replay

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -289,8 +289,15 @@ be subtracted from the RTT as long as the result is larger than the min_rtt.
 If the result is smaller than the min_rtt, the RTT should be used, but the
 ack delay field should be ignored.
 
-Like TCP, QUIC calculates both smoothed RTT and RTT variance similar to those
-specified in {{?RFC6298}}.
+A sender calculates both smoothed RTT and RTT variance similar to those
+specified in {{?RFC6298}}, see {{on-ack-received}}.
+
+A sender might take multiple samples per RTT because ACK frames that are

A sender will take multiple samples per RTT. RTT samples are taken when the largest acknowledged packet number is increased by an acknowledgment (see).

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This takes the suggestion from #2268 and expands on it.

Closes #2268.

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----==_mimepart_5c47b604dc315_63a93fbc7a6d45b826057a-- From nobody Tue Jan 22 16:32:33 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE4CD1311CD for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2019 16:32:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SFKY2MwsrI2S for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2019 16:32:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 27AD81311C7 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2019 16:32:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2019 16:32:29 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548203549; bh=eD/tcE6N81uQbnjaPsv+fwYEEZysTYssAJdcqPHsTZE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=nv0ZcpSqyxLOGVHQFOs9qjmf4SK65PNqL1M8GXZmmccDuyyZHx7Vb89NowdmWZ03Q UOQorI97rdKbAdnSsIpH9zZCYZ4K2KkYNA1ek7EPlcDMrjhjRGHbV3LWR0rJZbX94R zqLTUIypTRPKilmZe1e/yrZDCIuGGrPv5Gna9xCM= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Ignore packet loss when the keys are not available (#2327) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c47b61d44adc_4e4b3fbb42ad45c0705620"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 00:32:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c47b61d44adc_4e4b3fbb42ad45c0705620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > + QUIC-TLS: + title: "Using TLS to Secure QUIC" + date: {DATE} + seriesinfo: + Internet-Draft: draft-ietf-quic-tls-latest + author: + - + ins: M. Thomson + name: Martin Thomson + org: Mozilla + role: editor + - + ins: S. Turner + name: Sean Turner + org: sn3rd + email: sean@sn3rd.com ```suggestion ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2327#pullrequestreview-195298683 ----==_mimepart_5c47b61d44adc_4e4b3fbb42ad45c0705620 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Explicitly state that round trip time is abbreviated as RTT

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Commit: 7aecc40ead748d26988ef81a8799faeda0262f29 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7aecc40ead748d26988ef81a8799faeda0262f29 Author: David Schinazi Date: 2019-01-04 (Fri, 04 Jan 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Allow servers to send a preferred address of each address family Commit: 1fc3c3e52b7f56e169c64edb0fa338f2a529866e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1fc3c3e52b7f56e169c64edb0fa338f2a529866e Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-01-07 (Mon, 07 Jan 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- One Retry/VN per UDP datagram This keeps things simple. Closes #2259. Commit: cf29b304eecda537ba1d9c56dcfb1ced423b00c2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/cf29b304eecda537ba1d9c56dcfb1ced423b00c2 Author: David Schinazi Date: 2019-01-08 (Tue, 08 Jan 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Simplify wire-format Commit: 32bfd56a2037d9fefa5f54197c6ac63b9dba1ab3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/32bfd56a2037d9fefa5f54197c6ac63b9dba1ab3 Author: ianswett Date: 2019-01-09 (Wed, 09 Jan 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Ignore the loss of Handshake, 0-RTT, and 1-RTT packets if the peer doesn't have the keys to process them. Fixes #1967 Replaces #2028 Commit: 9f5ed67a743a76c4bb7d1b10168eb5cef21c145f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9f5ed67a743a76c4bb7d1b10168eb5cef21c145f Author: ianswett Date: 2019-01-09 (Wed, 09 Jan 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: 590d153623ebb20d8154109fc2749ab30cf203e2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/590d153623ebb20d8154109fc2749ab30cf203e2 Author: ianswett Date: 2019-01-09 (Wed, 09 Jan 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: 7eb91575d5556fa88c966d2b64e03d5a6433a873 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7eb91575d5556fa88c966d2b64e03d5a6433a873 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-01-10 (Thu, 10 Jan 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Co-Authored-By: ianswett Commit: 77ca0d19f5438f80b8748d27167a3fb0d630b032 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Co-Authored-By: ianswett Commit: d0483879f73a6588e6a3e475d124b706bdbfb0f0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d0483879f73a6588e6a3e475d124b706bdbfb0f0 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2019-01-22 (Tue, 22 Jan 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- restructure Commit: aa114252af626c73ce217078a86d6760042ea95f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/aa114252af626c73ce217078a86d6760042ea95f Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2019-01-22 (Tue, 22 Jan 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- s/_/- Commit: 850066528aa92de5c5b6a791ec52be74e2125867 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/850066528aa92de5c5b6a791ec52be74e2125867 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2019-01-22 (Tue, 22 Jan 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- remove email Commit: c2ade6b1aab49c7072b1e54cef9d1d826c3deecc https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c2ade6b1aab49c7072b1e54cef9d1d826c3deecc Author: Jana Iyemgar 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tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FROM_EXCESS_BASE64=0.979, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k7wuZBTfc0SA for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2019 17:37:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6FED612D4E7 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2019 17:37:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2019 17:37:19 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548207439; bh=GS4D7VjcHOTs3c1r4Q860HFQ1gIQoV8/2B1FokiUIas=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=xSD2q+YBNhFhM1kREL/A9AEp8cDmiPNlqGlF2etRhcOJrVtGwe7ar6kLeWnNsrsGS 35Z63J7jAB1KL7wfObhBX6qOHwdLQm2tLx4poDARIgT7OzMQveSSr0enept8CiFCsX sUNpXTvZxWbWhAOjHOfHcyUir64Xz0UUyk0LHvpg= From: =?UTF-8?B?QmVuY2UgQsOpa3k=?= Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QPACK: Clarify how maximum dynamic table capacity can be set (#2330) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c47c54f28d94_4ccd3fce35ed45c016731"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: bencebeky X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues 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I support this change, because it avoids the clumsiness around wrapping if changing the value fo SETTINGS_QPACK_MAX_TABLE_CAPACITY was allowed. I also agree with @afrind that an explicit capacity instruction has to be sent.

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I belive that #2330 is a cleaner and less error-prone alternative, therefore I withdraw this PR in favor of #2330.

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Closed #2257.

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Since this PR is not clearly an improvement, and it did not gain much traction, I am abandoning it so that we can focus on more important issues.

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I rebased on #2111, incorporated the suggestion by @MikeBishop above to make it a stream error instead of a connection error, and reconciled that sometimes InsertCount and sometimes ReqInsertCount was used in the decoding algorithm.

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FWIW, I think that #2360 is about formalizing a poorly-enfo= rced constraint that we might have assumed already existed. It's not dir= ectly a solution to the problem were discussing. I personally don't thin= k that the cost of processing frames is significant enough to build addit= ional defenses for. Generic anti-DoS measures should suffice.

But clearly that's not a universally held viewpoint. I think we shoul= d discuss this in Tokyo.

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----==_mimepart_5c47e8f86309b_63b43f8c3eed45b84111fc-- From nobody Tue Jan 22 20:09:59 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63973130E11 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2019 20:09:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id denU0ezoxsHx for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2019 20:09:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E28A130DFA for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2019 20:09:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2019 20:09:55 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548216595; bh=wO6upCVfECwq/jjQrrZH8Pxj3caaeTO4RUreOWA+TXg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Uz69yooY6zhvwAf8pX0wmOVUeXdKYPG4OT3AyzUrVPYUTiMUnp17Dz2uSfK+tQ9kF KQLIwWkNwKdoRlrmQdHtDdRzjJjcQZDcjrNDN5uc3al9UZk28qBIUqkxihZ7RicB0d pLmy78grZQb2nCZLGfbSMNA98trAvaPKWFxXlrtY= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Define RTT (#2362) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c47e91398544_7d5a3fd7614d45b848955b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 04:09:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c47e91398544_7d5a3fd7614d45b848955b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ianswett commented on this pull request. > @@ -293,10 +293,10 @@ continue making forward progress. # Computing the RTT estimate -RTT is calculated when an ACK frame arrives by computing the difference between -the current time and the time the largest acked packet was sent. An RTT sample -MUST NOT be taken for a packet that is not newly acknowledged or not -ack-eliciting. +Round trip time, abbreviated RTT, is calculated when an ACK frame arrives by Done and changed to round-trip time, which matches TCP RFCs -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2362#discussion_r250050334 ----==_mimepart_5c47e91398544_7d5a3fd7614d45b848955b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -293,10 +293,10 @@ continue making forward progress.
 
 # Computing the RTT estimate
 
-RTT is calculated when an ACK frame arrives by computing the difference between
-the current time and the time the largest acked packet was sent.  An RTT sample
-MUST NOT be taken for a packet that is not newly acknowledged or not
-ack-eliciting.
+Round trip time, abbreviated RTT, is calculated when an ACK frame arrives by

Done and changed to round-trip time, which matches TCP RFCs

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Which means that encoders have to send a table capacity change instruction as the first instruction they send on the table update stream. This is never stated clearly in the draft.

It might be possible to assume - incorrectly - that the table capacity is initially set to the maximum value. We even contemplated this possibility until the complexities of 0-RTT and stream concurrency squashed those dreams.

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Text on spinbit that is necessary for implementors moved/added to transport draft.

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Updates the persistent congestion logic to be time based instead of PTO count based, to account for the cases where PTOs don't actually occur.

This is the simplest change I could come up with that fixes the main issue, though I think a completely separate timer would still be better than piggy-backing off the CongestionEvent. For instance, in the case the app is periodically sending (and therefore no PTOs occur), if the ACK eventually comes much later than when persistent congestion occurs (or should occur) the CC window only decreases when the ACK arrives; not when persistent congestion started. If you have a separate timer for persistent congestion the window could be reduced immediately instead of waiting for the ACK. For now, though, I chose to go with the simpler change/solution that still mostly gets the job done.

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  • Persistent Congestion Time Threshold

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Rebased on #2111. Please let me know if anybody can come up with a term better than "blocking" which is confusing given that streams can be "blocked".

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -324,10 +332,9 @@ permit the encoder to track the decoder's state.  These events are:
 
 Knowledge that a header block with references to the dynamic table has been
 processed permits the encoder to evict entries to which no unacknowledged
-references remain, regardless of whether those references were potentially
-blocking (see {{blocked-insertion}}).  When a stream is reset or abandoned, the

This makes no sense: every unacknowledged reference is blocking eviction.

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  1. This makes the encoding and decoding pseudo-code more symmetric.
  2. "Alternatively" might not be the best word here, because it might imply that the implementation has a choice.
  3. In a section about encoding Required Insert Count, it is more pure to talk about Required Insert Count being zero than to talk about whether references are made to the dynamic table.

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----==_mimepart_5c489661bf3a8_2f7b3fae12ad45bc39377-- From nobody Wed Jan 23 09:04:02 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1597130EA8 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2019 09:04:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2MpJUr1hhJsn for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2019 09:03:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 300BD130E96 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2019 09:03:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=0FxCGCJZpue0LJniyOtlbFZpBSQ=; b=lG1Qk3lEc3uV2xhf s/kaHkOF7kbXOHtwSzv58m80AO4wSkpV3waywlTo+w6el8Jhak2jxJKVOtX4BtNG QH90VkTSceh69gNyGH9UeFGrjvfKN2xvUg+yvoMfMoQXsNu68AKQ7Lj6VaCvuaGj vdsj+qNkEe+WjtT73z4Y/KjYviE= Received: by filter1362p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1362p1mdw1-27005-5C489E7E-4 2019-01-23 17:03:58.238077895 +0000 UTC m=+750576.015051382 Received: from github-lowworker-56a5eb2.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.33]) by ismtpd0016p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id jLmCISh9QqiXzCWYR_EWrg for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2019 17:03:58.077 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-56a5eb2.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE9B8C00DD for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2019 09:03:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 17:03:58 +0000 (UTC) From: David Schinazi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Text banning post-handshake client auth is unclear (#2367) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c489e7ded4e5_561a3f9b890d45bc3169a8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DavidSchinazi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3ayBhu3uqzZZ5+qZqpxXqhiRMeCNMlMI97eh OnKhcpg3gcAkTLaw+CDsnj1Ygf7xT75de08/kU51Qpop3lmA2MNR1DTFPByYDXK79FZcFceFH2es3S Cn9h6mGB20t2iVd0nOB1x07TdqJeepqFPR46Bdfbn9LPeRmvxBtVlAxjaQSyry7uQy6F7mypOL95TG U= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 17:04:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c489e7ded4e5_561a3f9b890d45bc3169a8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit draft-tls section 4.4 (Peer Authentication) states: > A server MUST NOT use post-handshake client authentication (see Section 4.6.2 of [TLS13]). This sounds like there are security implications, but what they are is unclear. As a reader of the document, this makes me doubt my understanding of the protocol. If we don't have a good justification for banning this, we shouldn't be banning it. (This is me reopening #2294 since that was closed for being a question.) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2367 ----==_mimepart_5c489e7ded4e5_561a3f9b890d45bc3169a8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

draft-tls section 4.4 (Peer Authentication) states:

A server MUST NOT use post-handshake client authentication (see Section 4.6.2 of [TLS13]).

This sounds like there are security implications, but what they are is unclear. As a reader of the document, this makes me doubt my understanding of the protocol.

If we don't have a good justification for banning this, we shouldn't be banning it.

(This is me reopening #2294 since that was closed for being a question.)

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@martinthomson please don't close issues without any discussion. I've opened #2367 because I would like to see this resolved.

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Currently the draft is inconsistent: if the Required Insert Count value in a header block is smaller than dictated by the referenced dynamic table entries, {{overview-hol-avoidance}} says the decoder MAY treat this as a stream error, while {{invalid-references}} says it MUST. This PR seeks to clarify this.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2368

Commit Summary

  • Clarify when to signal error on incorrect Required Insert Count.

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Is the text unclear, or are you asking to re-enable post-handshake authentication?

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Hi Robin,

I'm going to merge and force it to the last day; we're definitely not going to get to it on the first day.

Thanks,

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3948,8 +3993,33 @@ Fixed Bit:
 
 Spin Bit (S):
 
-: The sixth bit (0x20) of byte 0 is the Latency Spin Bit, set as described in
-  {{!SPIN=I-D.ietf-quic-spin-exp}}.
+: The third most significant bit (0x20) of byte 0 is the Latency Spin Bit.

I think this would be easier to read if either all the text was here or if this referenced the section above. Given it's a lot of text, I tend to think the latter is better.

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Thanks Nick, a few suggestions. > @@ -1003,14 +1003,21 @@ packets might cause the sender's bytes in flight to exceed the congestion window until an acknowledgement is received that establishes loss or delivery of packets. -When an ACK frame is received that establishes loss of all in-flight packets -sent prior to a threshold number of consecutive PTOs (pto_count is more than -kPersistentCongestionThreshold, see {{cc-consts-of-interest}}), the network is -considered to be experiencing persistent congestion, and the sender's congestion -window MUST be reduced to the minimum congestion window (kMinimumWindow). This -response of collapsing the congestion window on persistent congestion is -functionally similar to a sender's response on a Retransmission Timeout (RTO) in -TCP {{RFC5681}}. +## Persistent Congestion + +The network is considered to be experiencing persistent congestion when the +sender goes a period of time without receiving any ACK frames for its in-flight, +ack-eliciting packets. Generally, this can be calculated as a number of +consecutive PTOs (pto_count is more than kPersistentCongestionThreshold, see +{{cc-consts-of-interest}}), but since a PTO only occurs if no other How about "but since the PTO timer is reset when a new ack-eliciting packet is sent," > @@ -1132,6 +1144,8 @@ increases bytes_in_flight. ~~~ OnPacketSentCC(bytes_sent): + if (bytes_in_flight == 0): + probe_start_time = Now() It's important not to start this if the packet isn't ack-eliciting, but I will say that requirement makes this more complex, since you have to track the first ack-eliciting packet to be sent. > @@ -1147,6 +1161,8 @@ acked_packet from sent_packets. OnPacketAckedCC(acked_packet): // Remove from bytes_in_flight. bytes_in_flight -= acked_packet.size + if (bytes_in_flight != 0): + probe_start_time = Now() I don't think it's necessary to check bytes_in_flight != 0 here? > @@ -1003,14 +1003,21 @@ packets might cause the sender's bytes in flight to exceed the congestion window until an acknowledgement is received that establishes loss or delivery of packets. -When an ACK frame is received that establishes loss of all in-flight packets -sent prior to a threshold number of consecutive PTOs (pto_count is more than -kPersistentCongestionThreshold, see {{cc-consts-of-interest}}), the network is -considered to be experiencing persistent congestion, and the sender's congestion -window MUST be reduced to the minimum congestion window (kMinimumWindow). This -response of collapsing the congestion window on persistent congestion is -functionally similar to a sender's response on a Retransmission Timeout (RTO) in -TCP {{RFC5681}}. +## Persistent Congestion I think this should be a sub-section of Probe Timeout? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2365#pullrequestreview-195737638 ----==_mimepart_5c48d50718fc1_44f93fc2f14d45c44704e6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Thanks Nick, a few suggestions.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1003,14 +1003,21 @@ packets might cause the sender's bytes in flight to exceed the congestion window
 until an acknowledgement is received that establishes loss or delivery of
 packets.
 
-When an ACK frame is received that establishes loss of all in-flight packets
-sent prior to a threshold number of consecutive PTOs (pto_count is more than
-kPersistentCongestionThreshold, see {{cc-consts-of-interest}}), the network is
-considered to be experiencing persistent congestion, and the sender's congestion
-window MUST be reduced to the minimum congestion window (kMinimumWindow).  This
-response of collapsing the congestion window on persistent congestion is
-functionally similar to a sender's response on a Retransmission Timeout (RTO) in
-TCP {{RFC5681}}.
+## Persistent Congestion
+
+The network is considered to be experiencing persistent congestion when the
+sender goes a period of time without receiving any ACK frames for its in-flight,
+ack-eliciting packets.  Generally, this can be calculated as a number of
+consecutive PTOs (pto_count is more than  kPersistentCongestionThreshold, see
+{{cc-consts-of-interest}}), but since a PTO only occurs if no other

How about "but since the PTO timer is reset when a new ack-eliciting packet is sent,"

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1132,6 +1144,8 @@ increases bytes_in_flight.
 
 ~~~
    OnPacketSentCC(bytes_sent):
+     if (bytes_in_flight == 0):
+       probe_start_time = Now()

It's important not to start this if the packet isn't ack-eliciting, but I will say that requirement makes this more complex, since you have to track the first ack-eliciting packet to be sent.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1147,6 +1161,8 @@ acked_packet from sent_packets.
    OnPacketAckedCC(acked_packet):
      // Remove from bytes_in_flight.
      bytes_in_flight -= acked_packet.size
+     if (bytes_in_flight != 0):
+       probe_start_time = Now()

I don't think it's necessary to check bytes_in_flight != 0 here?

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1003,14 +1003,21 @@ packets might cause the sender's bytes in flight to exceed the congestion window
 until an acknowledgement is received that establishes loss or delivery of
 packets.
 
-When an ACK frame is received that establishes loss of all in-flight packets
-sent prior to a threshold number of consecutive PTOs (pto_count is more than
-kPersistentCongestionThreshold, see {{cc-consts-of-interest}}), the network is
-considered to be experiencing persistent congestion, and the sender's congestion
-window MUST be reduced to the minimum congestion window (kMinimumWindow).  This
-response of collapsing the congestion window on persistent congestion is
-functionally similar to a sender's response on a Retransmission Timeout (RTO) in
-TCP {{RFC5681}}.
+## Persistent Congestion

I think this should be a sub-section of Probe Timeout?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1147,6 +1161,8 @@ acked_packet from sent_packets.
    OnPacketAckedCC(acked_packet):
      // Remove from bytes_in_flight.
      bytes_in_flight -= acked_packet.size
+     if (bytes_in_flight != 0):
+       probe_start_time = Now()

Yeah, you are right. I'm not sure what I was thinking when I added this. I will remove it.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1132,6 +1144,8 @@ increases bytes_in_flight.
 
 ~~~
    OnPacketSentCC(bytes_sent):
+     if (bytes_in_flight == 0):
+       probe_start_time = Now()

So, are you suggestion a change? Perhaps a comment?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1003,14 +1003,21 @@ packets might cause the sender's bytes in flight to exceed the congestion window
 until an acknowledgement is received that establishes loss or delivery of
 packets.
 
-When an ACK frame is received that establishes loss of all in-flight packets
-sent prior to a threshold number of consecutive PTOs (pto_count is more than
-kPersistentCongestionThreshold, see {{cc-consts-of-interest}}), the network is
-considered to be experiencing persistent congestion, and the sender's congestion
-window MUST be reduced to the minimum congestion window (kMinimumWindow).  This
-response of collapsing the congestion window on persistent congestion is
-functionally similar to a sender's response on a Retransmission Timeout (RTO) in
-TCP {{RFC5681}}.
+## Persistent Congestion

I'm not super opinionated either way, but I feel like coupling the two things go us into this problem in the first place. They are related but still fairly independent in my mind. Especially, if we ever go with the model of a separate timer.

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----==_mimepart_5c48d66860297_32513fb1d62d45c089874-- From nobody Wed Jan 23 13:02:45 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B10D1130F04 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2019 13:02:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EvQJgJe1dHjt for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2019 13:02:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 41979128D09 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2019 13:02:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 13:02:41 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548277361; bh=TDoPp7I4bWkgZKgnBsqYuBzl3Y3vrcHWNZEcWqQkfTU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=wQ7uj+r9vKkfN8panhA7JYZeNC9/BvDqyBsQNlGOd3fO9lIqPfZ+9AXnnnpjaXm/H UlYW59hByYDunODcIp+PgvUzZ7q46OGR8D21+fijdr5LDsjUIVCQ3ShKbDl+B7rAUT QvH6dAfY9EPU9XOph62z2pkMIEAM8W4DCOlwq6D4= From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Persistent Congestion Time Threshold (#2365) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c48d67188bec_48a23ff32ccd45c45654e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 21:02:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c48d67188bec_48a23ff32ccd45c45654e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nibanks commented on this pull request. > @@ -1003,14 +1003,21 @@ packets might cause the sender's bytes in flight to exceed the congestion window until an acknowledgement is received that establishes loss or delivery of packets. -When an ACK frame is received that establishes loss of all in-flight packets -sent prior to a threshold number of consecutive PTOs (pto_count is more than -kPersistentCongestionThreshold, see {{cc-consts-of-interest}}), the network is -considered to be experiencing persistent congestion, and the sender's congestion -window MUST be reduced to the minimum congestion window (kMinimumWindow). This -response of collapsing the congestion window on persistent congestion is -functionally similar to a sender's response on a Retransmission Timeout (RTO) in -TCP {{RFC5681}}. +## Persistent Congestion + +The network is considered to be experiencing persistent congestion when the +sender goes a period of time without receiving any ACK frames for its in-flight, +ack-eliciting packets. Generally, this can be calculated as a number of +consecutive PTOs (pto_count is more than kPersistentCongestionThreshold, see +{{cc-consts-of-interest}}), but since a PTO only occurs if no other Sure. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2365#discussion_r250370657 ----==_mimepart_5c48d67188bec_48a23ff32ccd45c45654e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1003,14 +1003,21 @@ packets might cause the sender's bytes in flight to exceed the congestion window
 until an acknowledgement is received that establishes loss or delivery of
 packets.
 
-When an ACK frame is received that establishes loss of all in-flight packets
-sent prior to a threshold number of consecutive PTOs (pto_count is more than
-kPersistentCongestionThreshold, see {{cc-consts-of-interest}}), the network is
-considered to be experiencing persistent congestion, and the sender's congestion
-window MUST be reduced to the minimum congestion window (kMinimumWindow).  This
-response of collapsing the congestion window on persistent congestion is
-functionally similar to a sender's response on a Retransmission Timeout (RTO) in
-TCP {{RFC5681}}.
+## Persistent Congestion
+
+The network is considered to be experiencing persistent congestion when the
+sender goes a period of time without receiving any ACK frames for its in-flight,
+ack-eliciting packets.  Generally, this can be calculated as a number of
+consecutive PTOs (pto_count is more than  kPersistentCongestionThreshold, see
+{{cc-consts-of-interest}}), but since a PTO only occurs if no other

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1003,14 +1003,21 @@ packets might cause the sender's bytes in flight to exceed the congestion window
 until an acknowledgement is received that establishes loss or delivery of
 packets.
 
-When an ACK frame is received that establishes loss of all in-flight packets
-sent prior to a threshold number of consecutive PTOs (pto_count is more than
-kPersistentCongestionThreshold, see {{cc-consts-of-interest}}), the network is
-considered to be experiencing persistent congestion, and the sender's congestion
-window MUST be reduced to the minimum congestion window (kMinimumWindow).  This
-response of collapsing the congestion window on persistent congestion is
-functionally similar to a sender's response on a Retransmission Timeout (RTO) in
-TCP {{RFC5681}}.
+## Persistent Congestion
+
+The network is considered to be experiencing persistent congestion when the
+sender goes a period of time without receiving any ACK frames for its in-flight,
+ack-eliciting packets.  Generally, this can be calculated as a number of

I'm getting used to that word ...

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This -response of collapsing the congestion window on persistent congestion is -functionally similar to a sender's response on a Retransmission Timeout (RTO) in -TCP {{RFC5681}}. +## Persistent Congestion + +The network is considered to be experiencing persistent congestion when the +sender goes a period of time without receiving any ACK frames for its in-flight, +ack-eliciting packets. Generally, this can be calculated as a number of +consecutive PTOs (pto_count is more than kPersistentCongestionThreshold, see +{{cc-consts-of-interest}}), but since a PTO only occurs if no other +ack-eliciting packets have been sent, an explicit time out must be used to ```suggestion ack-eliciting packets have been sent, an explicit timeout must be used to ``` > -sent prior to a threshold number of consecutive PTOs (pto_count is more than -kPersistentCongestionThreshold, see {{cc-consts-of-interest}}), the network is -considered to be experiencing persistent congestion, and the sender's congestion -window MUST be reduced to the minimum congestion window (kMinimumWindow). This -response of collapsing the congestion window on persistent congestion is -functionally similar to a sender's response on a Retransmission Timeout (RTO) in -TCP {{RFC5681}}. +## Persistent Congestion + +The network is considered to be experiencing persistent congestion when the +sender goes a period of time without receiving any ACK frames for its in-flight, +ack-eliciting packets. Generally, this can be calculated as a number of +consecutive PTOs (pto_count is more than kPersistentCongestionThreshold, see +{{cc-consts-of-interest}}), but since a PTO only occurs if no other +ack-eliciting packets have been sent, an explicit time out must be used to +account for those cases where PTOs don't occur. ```suggestion account for those cases where PTOs do not occur. ``` > @@ -1132,6 +1144,8 @@ increases bytes_in_flight. ~~~ OnPacketSentCC(bytes_sent): + if (bytes_in_flight == 0): if (ack_eliciting && bytes_in_flight == 0): > @@ -1132,6 +1144,8 @@ increases bytes_in_flight. ~~~ OnPacketSentCC(bytes_sent): + if (bytes_in_flight == 0): + probe_start_time = Now() `if (ack_eliciting)` is used elsewhere. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1132,6 +1144,8 @@ increases bytes_in_flight.
 
 ~~~
    OnPacketSentCC(bytes_sent):
+     if (bytes_in_flight == 0):

That doesn't quite work. What if the first packet isn't ack_eliciting but the second is? The first would still increment the counter, so when the second comes in it wouldn't be 0 any more.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -When an ACK frame is received that establishes loss of all in-flight packets
-sent prior to a threshold number of consecutive PTOs (pto_count is more than
-kPersistentCongestionThreshold, see {{cc-consts-of-interest}}), the network is
-considered to be experiencing persistent congestion, and the sender's congestion
-window MUST be reduced to the minimum congestion window (kMinimumWindow).  This
-response of collapsing the congestion window on persistent congestion is
-functionally similar to a sender's response on a Retransmission Timeout (RTO) in
-TCP {{RFC5681}}.
+## Persistent Congestion
+
+The network is considered to be experiencing persistent congestion when the
+sender goes a period of time without receiving any ACK frames for its in-flight,
+ack-eliciting packets.  Generally, this can be calculated as a number of
+consecutive PTOs (pto_count is more than  kPersistentCongestionThreshold, see
+{{cc-consts-of-interest}}), but since a PTO only occurs if no other
+ack-eliciting packets have been sent, an explicit time out must be used to

Could you make these suggestions on the latest changes so I can accept them more easily?

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Some stylistic changes as suggestions (damn I wish GitHub supported multi-line suggestions), but this is generally much better. > @@ -210,10 +210,18 @@ acknowledged by the decoder. ### Blocked Dynamic Table Insertions {#blocked-insertion} +The encoder considers a dynamic table entry to be blocking if it has not yet +received acknowledgement of insertion of the entry, or if it has not yet +received acknowledgement of all references to the entry. Note that a dynamic +table entry that has never been referenced can still be blocking. Also note This "Note that" sentence is redundant. > @@ -210,10 +210,18 @@ acknowledged by the decoder. ### Blocked Dynamic Table Insertions {#blocked-insertion} +The encoder considers a dynamic table entry to be blocking if it has not yet +received acknowledgement of insertion of the entry, or if it has not yet +received acknowledgement of all references to the entry. Note that a dynamic +table entry that has never been referenced can still be blocking. Also note +that a blocking entry cannot be evicted, which is unrelated to a blocked stream, Suggest: ``` A blocking entry cannot be evicted until its insertion has been acknowledged and there are no unacknowledged references to the entry outstanding. --new paragraph Note: : A blocking entry is unrelated to a blocked stream, where a decoder cannot decode a stream as a result of references to entries that are not yet available. An encoder that uses the dynamic table has to manage the possibility of blocked entries, whereas a decoder can forbid an encoder from making references to unacknowledged entries. ``` > An encoder MUST NOT insert an entry into the dynamic table (or duplicate an -existing entry) if doing so would evict an entry with unacknowledged references. -For header blocks that might rely on the newly added entry, the encoder can use -a literal representation. +existing entry) if doing so would evict a blocking entry. For header blocks +that would rely on the newly added entry, the encoder can instead use a literal Not your text, but if we're talking about not being able to insert, then this really needs to say something like: An encoder that cannot insert entries in the dynamic table sends literal representations of header fields. > @@ -324,10 +332,9 @@ permit the encoder to track the decoder's state. These events are: Knowledge that a header block with references to the dynamic table has been processed permits the encoder to evict entries to which no unacknowledged -references remain, regardless of whether those references were potentially -blocking (see {{blocked-insertion}}). When a stream is reset or abandoned, the -indication that these header blocks will never be processed serves a similar -function; see {{stream-cancellation}}. +references remain; see {{blocked-insertion}}. When a stream is reset or Style nit: I think that we've been using the parenthetical form for this sort of reference. I think that this is right, even the semi-colon, which I initially stumbled over, but consistency is somewhat important. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2261#pullrequestreview-195765011 ----==_mimepart_5c48e6473e04e_7db33ff3ef4d45b8104529 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Some stylistic changes as suggestions (damn I wish GitHub supported multi-line suggestions), but this is generally much better.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -210,10 +210,18 @@ acknowledged by the decoder.
 
 ### Blocked Dynamic Table Insertions {#blocked-insertion}
 
+The encoder considers a dynamic table entry to be blocking if it has not yet
+received acknowledgement of insertion of the entry, or if it has not yet
+received acknowledgement of all references to the entry.  Note that a dynamic
+table entry that has never been referenced can still be blocking.  Also note

This "Note that" sentence is redundant.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -210,10 +210,18 @@ acknowledged by the decoder.
 
 ### Blocked Dynamic Table Insertions {#blocked-insertion}
 
+The encoder considers a dynamic table entry to be blocking if it has not yet
+received acknowledgement of insertion of the entry, or if it has not yet
+received acknowledgement of all references to the entry.  Note that a dynamic
+table entry that has never been referenced can still be blocking.  Also note
+that a blocking entry cannot be evicted, which is unrelated to a blocked stream,

Suggest:

A blocking entry cannot be evicted until its insertion has been acknowledged and there are no unacknowledged references to the entry outstanding.
--new paragraph
Note:
: A blocking entry is unrelated to a blocked stream, where a decoder cannot decode a stream as a result of references to entries that are not yet available.  An encoder that uses the dynamic table has to manage the possibility of blocked entries, whereas a decoder can forbid an encoder from making references to unacknowledged entries.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  An encoder MUST NOT insert an entry into the dynamic table (or duplicate an
-existing entry) if doing so would evict an entry with unacknowledged references.
-For header blocks that might rely on the newly added entry, the encoder can use
-a literal representation.
+existing entry) if doing so would evict a blocking entry.  For header blocks
+that would rely on the newly added entry, the encoder can instead use a literal

Not your text, but if we're talking about not being able to insert, then this really needs to say something like: An encoder that cannot insert entries in the dynamic table sends literal representations of header fields.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -324,10 +332,9 @@ permit the encoder to track the decoder's state.  These events are:
 
 Knowledge that a header block with references to the dynamic table has been
 processed permits the encoder to evict entries to which no unacknowledged
-references remain, regardless of whether those references were potentially
-blocking (see {{blocked-insertion}}).  When a stream is reset or abandoned, the
-indication that these header blocks will never be processed serves a similar
-function; see {{stream-cancellation}}.
+references remain; see {{blocked-insertion}}.  When a stream is reset or

Style nit: I think that we've been using the parenthetical form for this sort of reference. I think that this is right, even the semi-colon, which I initially stumbled over, but consistency is somewhat important.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1132,6 +1144,8 @@ increases bytes_in_flight.
 
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+     if (bytes_in_flight == 0):

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1120,6 +1130,7 @@ variables as follows:
 ~~~
    congestion_window = kInitialWindow
    bytes_in_flight = 0

probe_pending = 0

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1132,6 +1144,8 @@ increases bytes_in_flight.
 
 ~~~
    OnPacketSentCC(bytes_sent):
+     if (bytes_in_flight == 0):

if (ack_eliciting && (bytes_in_flight == 0 || probe_pending)):
    probe_pending = 0
    probe_start_time = Now()
else:
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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1147,6 +1160,8 @@ acked_packet from sent_packets.
    OnPacketAckedCC(acked_packet):
      // Remove from bytes_in_flight.
      bytes_in_flight -= acked_packet.size
+     // Reset probe start time
+     probe_start_time = Now()

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I'm not sure this is correct, but the comments combined should avoid starting the probe timer when a packet is not eliciting

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Much of this text is already present in draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp, which is referenced from the current text. What is the goal of this PR?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1132,6 +1144,8 @@ increases bytes_in_flight.
 
 ~~~
    OnPacketSentCC(bytes_sent):
+     if (bytes_in_flight == 0):

It's too late, I keep getting this wrong - wait

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1132,6 +1144,8 @@ increases bytes_in_flight.
 
 ~~~
    OnPacketSentCC(bytes_sent):
+     if (bytes_in_flight == 0):

Edited above comment, I think it is ok now

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@mikkelfj, The best way to understand the rationale is to tr= y to work through how a particular protocol might use this feature. Read= HTTP/2 secondary certificate authen= tication, look at the design and discussion and see the sorts of prob= lems it tries to address. In that case, some of the problems are with se= rver-authentication, which you can safely ignore, but the general class o= f problems related to concurrency and how that relates to the status of a= uthentication produce a fairly complex design.

Now I might concede that it is possible to build a protocol that uses = this TLS feature well, but I would still hold that exported authenticators are a far superio= r design.

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@martinthomson Thanks for the explantion and pointers. On exported authenticators I guess there is some overlap with OAuth2, Fido, and temporary web service tokens once you get past the handshake.

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I think that this is one editorial discussion where I would like to se= e some discussion.

For me, the question of document organization is secondary to a questi= on of status. I think that we should target the spin bit document at exp= erimental status, not proposed standard, which would make keeping the spl= it between documents much more appropriate. I'm sure that others will di= sagree with this position, so I think that discussion is very much warran= ted.

Incidentally, the change from exp to std in the document is in a commi= t entitled "typofix", done late last year by @britram. I was -= until just now when I checked - under the impression that the goal was a= n experimental RFC. I suspect that we had a discussion on this point tha= t settled on standards track, but I'm just remembering badly.

After that, then I think we want to talk about where this slots into t= he current document. I'm not sure that the place that is selected here i= s right, but I want to get the big ticket questions out of the way first.=

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I think the text should be in the transport document but in my view it will be better as subsection 17.3.1 titled spin bit

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haven=E2=80=99t had a chance to review the PR in detail yet, should do= so today.

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On document status, my understanding is:

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    in London, we decided to adopt the spin bit as an experimental feature= within the working group to generate more experience to inform an eventu= al adoption decision.

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    in Bangkok, we achieved rough consensus to adopt the feature into the = base protocol. The plan as I understood it is that documents were to be h= eld separate until the spin-exp document reflected Bangkok consensus and = the transport document was done with large-scale technical changes, after= which they would be merged. This plan together the discussion about 2119= language made it clear to me that the spin bit would be proposed standar= d.

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This PR does the merge, because the conditions (less transport change = in the future, spin bit now reflects the consensus about probabilistic pa= rticipation) have been met.

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While general guidelines on on-path use of the signal belongs in the (= informational) manageability draft, details about how exactly to generate= metrics from this signal are IMO more experimental, and probably fit bet= ter over in IPPM (personal opinion, not a ruling from the chair)

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(FWIW, I'm not in Tokyo, and not remote -- unavoidable conflict with a final project review at the Commission)

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@britram can anyone participate who you trust to defend your views?

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This is good, modulo a few changes to 2119 language that I think better reflect BKK consensus. > @@ -2818,6 +2825,44 @@ encoded as a single byte with the value 0x01. An endpoint MAY treat the receipt of a frame type that uses a longer encoding than necessary as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. +## Latency Spin Bit {#spin-bit} + +The latency spin bit enables passive latency monitoring from observation points +on the network path throughout the duration of a connection. The spin bit is +only present in the short packet header, since it is possible to measure the +initial RTT of a connection by observing the handshake. Therefore, the spin bit +will appear after version negotiation and connection establishment are +completed. On-path measurement and use of the Latency Spin Bit is further +discussed in {{QUIC-MANAGEABILITY}}. + +The spin bit utilizes a single bit in the first byte of the short header. The +location of the bit and procedures for how to set it by clients and servers are +defined in {{short-header}}. + +Implementations MAY select to not implement the full spin bit functionality. In I think I'd phrase this differently: "the spin bit is an optional feature. implementations that implement MUST implement it as specified in this document." > +will appear after version negotiation and connection establishment are +completed. On-path measurement and use of the Latency Spin Bit is further +discussed in {{QUIC-MANAGEABILITY}}. + +The spin bit utilizes a single bit in the first byte of the short header. The +location of the bit and procedures for how to set it by clients and servers are +defined in {{short-header}}. + +Implementations MAY select to not implement the full spin bit functionality. In +that case they are only REQUIRED to implement what is defined for the spin bit +when it is disabled. + +Each endpoint unilaterally decides if the spin bit is enabled or disabled for a +connection. Implementations SHOULD allow administrators of clients and servers +to disable the spin bit either globally or on a per-connection basis. Even when +the spin bit is not disabled by the administrator implementations SHOULD disable IIRC consensus here sounded like MUST probabalistically disable, since we will want to provide cover traffic in the long term, not only for non-implementing endpoints but also for flows that decide to disable it. I'd justify the MUST because it affects the privacy properties of the wire image (however minimal the actual effect is) ```suggestion the spin bit is not disabled by the administrator implementations MUST disable ``` > +discussed in {{QUIC-MANAGEABILITY}}. + +The spin bit utilizes a single bit in the first byte of the short header. The +location of the bit and procedures for how to set it by clients and servers are +defined in {{short-header}}. + +Implementations MAY select to not implement the full spin bit functionality. In +that case they are only REQUIRED to implement what is defined for the spin bit +when it is disabled. + +Each endpoint unilaterally decides if the spin bit is enabled or disabled for a +connection. Implementations SHOULD allow administrators of clients and servers +to disable the spin bit either globally or on a per-connection basis. Even when +the spin bit is not disabled by the administrator implementations SHOULD disable +the spin bit on a randomly chosen fraction of connections. However, connections +may be configured to explicitly enable spinning, for example in the case of in line with the SHOULD above, this isn't a may/MAY: ```suggestion SHOULD be configurable to explicitly enable spinning, for example in the case of ``` > @@ -3948,8 +3993,33 @@ Fixed Bit: Spin Bit (S): -: The sixth bit (0x20) of byte 0 is the Latency Spin Bit, set as described in - {{!SPIN=I-D.ietf-quic-spin-exp}}. +: The third most significant bit (0x20) of byte 0 is the Latency Spin Bit. +1 to this > @@ -89,6 +89,13 @@ informative: target: "https://web.archive.org/web/20150315054838/http://ha.ckers.org/slowloris/" + QUIC-MANAGEABILITY: + title: "Manageability of the QUIC Transport Protocol" + author: + - ins: M. Kuehlewind add `-ins: B. Trammell` as well -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@britram requested changes on this pull request.

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This is good, modulo a few changes to 2119 language that I think bette= r reflect BKK consensus.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> @@ -2818,6 +2825,44 @@ encoded as a single=
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 of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.=0D
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+## Latency Spin Bit {#spin-bit}=0D
+=0D
+The latency spin bit enables passive latency monitoring from observation=
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+on the network path throughout the duration of a connection. The spin bi=
t is=0D
+only present in the short packet header, since it is possible to measure=
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+completed. On-path measurement and use of the Latency Spin Bit is furthe=
r=0D
+discussed in {{QUIC-MANAGEABILITY}}.=0D
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+The spin bit utilizes a single bit in the first byte of the short header=
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+defined in {{short-header}}.=0D
+=0D
+Implementations MAY select to not implement the full spin bit functional=
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I think I'd phrase this differently: "the spin bit is an optional feat= ure. implementations that implement MUST implement it as specified in thi= s document."

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> +will appear after version negotiation and=
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+completed. On-path measurement and use of the Latency Spin Bit is furthe=
r=0D
+discussed in {{QUIC-MANAGEABILITY}}.=0D
+=0D
+The spin bit utilizes a single bit in the first byte of the short header=
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+location of the bit and procedures for how to set it by clients and serv=
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+defined in {{short-header}}.=0D
+=0D
+Implementations MAY select to not implement the full spin bit functional=
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+that case they are only REQUIRED to implement what is defined for the sp=
in bit=0D
+when it is disabled.=0D
+=0D
+Each endpoint unilaterally decides if the spin bit is enabled or disable=
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+connection. Implementations SHOULD allow administrators of clients and s=
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IIRC consensus here sounded like MUST probabalistically disable, since= we will want to provide cover traffic in the long term, not only for non= -implementing endpoints but also for flows that decide to disable it. I'd= justify the MUST because it affects the privacy properties of the wire i= mage (however minimal the actual effect is)

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-the spin bit is not disabled by the administr=
ator implementations SHOULD disable=0D
+the spin bit is not disabled by the administrator implementations MUST d=
isable=0D
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> +discussed in {{QUIC-MANAGEABILITY}}.=0D
+=0D
+The spin bit utilizes a single bit in the first byte of the short header=
. The=0D
+location of the bit and procedures for how to set it by clients and serv=
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+defined in {{short-header}}.=0D
+=0D
+Implementations MAY select to not implement the full spin bit functional=
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+that case they are only REQUIRED to implement what is defined for the sp=
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+=0D
+Each endpoint unilaterally decides if the spin bit is enabled or disable=
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+connection. Implementations SHOULD allow administrators of clients and s=
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+to disable the spin bit either globally or on a per-connection basis. Ev=
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in line with the SHOULD above, this isn't a may/MAY:

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-may be configured to explicitly enable spinni=
ng, for example in the case of=0D
+SHOULD be configurable to explicitly enable spinning, for example in the=
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> @@ -3948,8 +3993,33 @@ Fixed Bit:=0D
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 Spin Bit (S):=0D
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-: The sixth bit (0x20) of byte 0 is the Latency Spin Bit, set as describ=
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-  {{!SPIN=3DI-D.ietf-quic-spin-exp}}.=0D
+: The third most significant bit (0x20) of byte 0 is the Latency Spin Bi=
t.=0D
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+1 to this

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> @@ -89,6 +89,13 @@ informative:=0D
     target:=0D
      "https://web.archive.org/web/20150315054838/http://ha.ckers.or=
g/slowloris/"=0D
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+  QUIC-MANAGEABILITY:=0D
+    title: "Manageability of the QUIC Transport Protocol"=0D
+    author:=0D
+      - ins: M. Kuehlewind=0D
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add -ins: B. Trammell as well

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#2364 proposes to merge the normative part of -spin-exp (how to generate the signal, and how to probabalistically participate) into -transport.

There appears to be some lack of clarity on the Bangkok consensus on the ; per @larseggert let's discuss this here on this issue (and the list) instead of in the PR.

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----==_mimepart_5c49827350e89_2eaa3f867e6d45b86751b9-- From nobody Thu Jan 24 01:17:52 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADDA8130E5E for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2019 01:17:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TYuOFZsnSaZJ for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2019 01:17:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5FB5A1310CB for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2019 01:17:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 01:17:47 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548321467; bh=GQ2K7cmJHvrvzmr6D+Wg8xhOkRfm/eFlHy0cgLUv8uU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=KXBqRAiLbhsPAKYN+EIbzvoizyZXmHOSHwBONEk8/CRt7EQlkK6Xg3t8CGtGivg/J 2Kx0OYcuB5alS/qDafQ9qrrbpYXCxroiQSH+UyXsjCi5I4GpS1DqQLlkL9kfqwlAcH b4triRlnJZRZndUiXv0IJo4DFiv3rwXwh/EDDq7Y= From: Brian Trammell Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Moving text on spinbit into transport (#2364) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c4982bb58fc5_585d3fa6aecd45bc532821"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: britram X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 09:17:51 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c4982bb58fc5_585d3fa6aecd45bc532821 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (@larseggert probably, will check; however, if discussion on #2369 doesn't converge relatively quickly then I'll want to take it to the list beforehand as well) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2364#issuecomment-457123915 ----==_mimepart_5c4982bb58fc5_585d3fa6aecd45bc532821 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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There are a few apparently-open questions (which I thought were resolv= ed, and apparently @ihlar too, since he submitted #2384); my unde= rstanding of the state is in bold below:

  1. Is the plan to (a) merge the spin bit text into -transport or to (b) publish spin-exp as a separate RFC.

  2. If 1(b), is the intended status of the spin bit (a) Proposed S= tandard or Experimental (as the spin bit must be Propose= d Standard if 1(a)).

This understanding derives from the state of discussions after the Lon= don and Bangkok meetings (copied from #2364 comments):

  • in London, we decided to adopt the spin bit as an experimental feature= within the working group to generate more experience to inform an eventu= al adoption decision.

  • in Bangkok, we achieved rough consensus to adopt the feature into the = base protocol. The plan as I understood it is that documents were to be h= eld separate until the spin-exp document reflected Bangkok consensus and = the transport document was done with large-scale technical changes, after= which they would be merged (which is what #2364 does). Thi= s plan together the discussion about 2119 language made it clear to me th= at the spin bit would be Proposed Standard.

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(also from the #2364 discussion...) FWIW, I do think that = advanced heuristics for deriving metrics from the spin bit signal are pro= perly experimental, but since that's generalized measurement methodology = work, it rather belongs in IPPM than QUIC (note this is a personal opinio= n, without IPPM chair hat). Most of the simple how-to-measure text curren= tly in spin-exp should move into the (informational) -manageability draft= , and my understanding as editor is that a PR for that is forthcoming (ad= dressing quicwg/ops-drafts#58).

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= ----==_mimepart_5c4988fbcdf3d_7803f8d6eed45b49489c-- From nobody Thu Jan 24 01:47:47 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 816C812D7F8 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2019 01:47:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.552 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.552 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5Yi_55igkkdn for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2019 01:47:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A61331310E5 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2019 01:47:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 01:47:41 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548323261; bh=gJf165YDCxAh0JRx28PXF5/u7Z7BTEkeogicsoLgff4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=N4u+S1H9mnPApb/6NIrL2Z6lwyh8/zStLo0hCNEWi98eG5ranBXhkeQSSIcFVsXdn dlG/3Q+SngVZh6S5AOwf+HnukLehHYxw+n8S7FRhj/Kr0pJ3ywQW1fPIOL8cN+sT1S SbvZMbKyO2mPgojdtCfG0GfD3meapPOrsRU9aMao= From: Marcus Ihlar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Moving text on spinbit into transport (#2364) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c4989bd819d2_721f3fbdc90d45b410563b8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ihlar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 09:47:45 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c4989bd819d2_721f3fbdc90d45b410563b8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ihlar commented on this pull request. > @@ -2818,6 +2825,44 @@ encoded as a single byte with the value 0x01. An endpoint MAY treat the receipt of a frame type that uses a longer encoding than necessary as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. +## Latency Spin Bit {#spin-bit} + +The latency spin bit enables passive latency monitoring from observation points +on the network path throughout the duration of a connection. The spin bit is +only present in the short packet header, since it is possible to measure the +initial RTT of a connection by observing the handshake. Therefore, the spin bit +will appear after version negotiation and connection establishment are +completed. On-path measurement and use of the Latency Spin Bit is further +discussed in {{QUIC-MANAGEABILITY}}. + +The spin bit utilizes a single bit in the first byte of the short header. The +location of the bit and procedures for how to set it by clients and servers are +defined in {{short-header}}. + +Implementations MAY select to not implement the full spin bit functionality. In Agree, that is a better phrasing -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2364#discussion_r250529651 ----==_mimepart_5c4989bd819d2_721f3fbdc90d45b410563b8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2818,6 +2825,44 @@ encoded as a single byte with the value 0x01.  An endpoint MAY treat the receipt
 of a frame type that uses a longer encoding than necessary as a connection error
 of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.
 
+## Latency Spin Bit {#spin-bit}
+
+The latency spin bit enables passive latency monitoring from observation points
+on the network path throughout the duration of a connection. The spin bit is
+only present in the short packet header, since it is possible to measure the
+initial RTT of a connection by observing the handshake. Therefore, the spin bit
+will appear after version negotiation and connection establishment are
+completed. On-path measurement and use of the Latency Spin Bit is further
+discussed in {{QUIC-MANAGEABILITY}}.
+
+The spin bit utilizes a single bit in the first byte of the short header. The
+location of the bit and procedures for how to set it by clients and servers are
+defined in {{short-header}}.
+
+Implementations MAY select to not implement the full spin bit functionality. In

Agree, that is a better phrasing

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----==_mimepart_5c4989bd819d2_721f3fbdc90d45b410563b8-- From nobody Thu Jan 24 01:52:50 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B8DC130FCD for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2019 01:52:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7EimRj6kIApx for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2019 01:52:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49CB5130EB3 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2019 01:52:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 01:52:45 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548323565; bh=i2vmmR4jpXSDWfwT3NLiAqQHBDsK1MTKtZKBaifzGy8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=GWtiB3TZ47WfRXKqV/kcf6gNOJGVwhxLJUHAwLZ2lhhiXB07V6yh07F0S5DGJREMN vRM9jYhjc/lP2zecPySF/FsqNO3a/yZRd0SW0+DY7ApgKinWwGDOUHAgcEf3vNaO4v VTvSkJKqodZIULWt4Kc85g53M3Kqk/ke+Ty5pFaM= From: mirjak Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Merge normative -spin-exp text into -transport (#2369) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c498aed29f75_39583fc1342d45bc884110"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mirjak X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 09:52:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c498aed29f75_39583fc1342d45bc884110 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My understanding was always that the plan was to merge this into the transport doc and never that the the spin-exp is meant to be published as an own doc. The chairs only hold us at some point to create an own doc (instead of trying to get an PR up to date) such that it is easier to people to experiment until we have a final decision and merge it in. We even had a hum on this in Bangkok: 6. To include the spin bit in the specification, as laid out here. Some decisions can still be made. Yes: Strong hum (4-5 hums for inclusion, no against) No: Medium-Strong hum (less) I asked at the end of the session if we are ready to merge and got a yes. I don't know what this discussion is about because we really have already clear consensus here. I will close the issue. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2369#issuecomment-457135370 ----==_mimepart_5c498aed29f75_39583fc1342d45bc884110 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

My understanding was always that the plan was to merge this into the t= ransport doc and never that the the spin-exp is meant to be published as = an own doc. The chairs only hold us at some point to create an own doc (i= nstead of trying to get an PR up to date) such that it is easier to peopl= e to experiment until we have a final decision and merge it in.

We even had a hum on this in Bangkok:

  1. To include the spin bit in the specification, as laid out here. Some = decisions can still be made.

Yes: Strong hum (4-5 hums for inclusion, no against)

No: Medium-Strong hum (less)

I asked at the end of the session if we are ready to merge and got a y= es. I don't know what this discussion is about because we really have alr= eady clear consensus here. I will close the issue.

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I agree with the statements above, and I cannot recollect that option b was ever discussed.

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Not sure about the process and the formalities, but since the spin-bit= is an optional feature, and several implementations are not planning to = implement it, I think it would improve the readability of the already ver= y long transport document (141 pages!) to keep it clearly separated in it= s own document. This would relieve implementers from having to skip over = irrelevant text.

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On-path measurement and use of the Latency Spin Bit is further +discussed in {{QUIC-MANAGEABILITY}}. + +The spin bit utilizes a single bit in the first byte of the short header. The +location of the bit and procedures for how to set it by clients and servers are +defined in {{short-header}}. + +Implementations MAY select to not implement the full spin bit functionality. In +that case they are only REQUIRED to implement what is defined for the spin bit +when it is disabled. + +Each endpoint unilaterally decides if the spin bit is enabled or disabled for a +connection. Implementations SHOULD allow administrators of clients and servers +to disable the spin bit either globally or on a per-connection basis. Even when +the spin bit is not disabled by the administrator implementations SHOULD disable > Also, we need to start an issue on this rather than commenting on the PR @larseggert I'm not sure what the issue is? The consensus in BKK was that the bit should be included in the standard, this PR only contains the information necessary for implementors, no text on how to interpret or process the bit on path. Simply referencing a non-milestone potentially experimental document seems a bit odd. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2364#discussion_r250535623 ----==_mimepart_5c498cd65d5be_43e83fac796d45c490478e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +will appear after version negotiation and connection establishment are
+completed. On-path measurement and use of the Latency Spin Bit is further
+discussed in {{QUIC-MANAGEABILITY}}.
+
+The spin bit utilizes a single bit in the first byte of the short header. The
+location of the bit and procedures for how to set it by clients and servers are
+defined in {{short-header}}.
+
+Implementations MAY select to not implement the full spin bit functionality. In
+that case they are only REQUIRED to implement what is defined for the spin bit
+when it is disabled.
+
+Each endpoint unilaterally decides if the spin bit is enabled or disabled for a
+connection. Implementations SHOULD allow administrators of clients and servers
+to disable the spin bit either globally or on a per-connection basis. Even when
+the spin bit is not disabled by the administrator implementations SHOULD disable

      Also, we need to start an issue on this rather than commenting on the PR

@larseggert I'm not sure what the issue is?
The consensus in BKK was that the bit should be included in the standard, this PR only contains the information necessary for implementors, no text on how to interpret or process the bit on path. Simply referencing a non-milestone potentially experimental document seems a bit odd.

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----==_mimepart_5c498cd65d5be_43e83fac796d45c490478e-- From nobody Thu Jan 24 02:01:40 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36D001310E5 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2019 02:01:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9IYkOlPTb82X for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2019 02:01:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A295D130EB3 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2019 02:01:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 02:01:36 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548324096; bh=ExIechVIruKR+L3bZH2M2Ttf/mJq82Pxv/9xWTg7/wo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Mydh7vXcWDrAa3qWksNL/MQLDvZwgv1kfcC2pnm5ojzToTX3AltKNoA4Xg2anlyky DdB2fTUkhcU6B3jR6ZWTa509/K1MS5o31VROdVFnWT+POGt/COfuvbtZXYrXySvzCf T5HodIbUF3RnHTGsgxO7E/vmd40q9uAg4ujySCqU= From: Marcus Ihlar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Moving text on spinbit into transport (#2364) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c498d00c6853_44493fa08bad45c476739f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ihlar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 10:01:39 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c498d00c6853_44493fa08bad45c476739f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @larseggert I'm not sure what the issue is? The consensus in BKK was that the bit should be included in the standard, this PR only contains the information necessary for implementors, no text on how to interpret or process the bit on path. Simply referencing a non-milestone potentially experimental document seems a bit odd. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2364#issuecomment-457138525 ----==_mimepart_5c498d00c6853_44493fa08bad45c476739f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@larseggert I'm not sure what the issue is?
The consensus in BKK was that the bit should be included in the standard,= this PR only contains the information necessary for implementors, no tex= t on how to interpret or process the bit on path. Simply referencing a no= n-milestone potentially experimental document seems a bit odd.

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on review of the minutes, agree with @mirjak: paging @martinthomson and @janaiyengar with their editor hats on: once you're awake can you have a look and close this issue?

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I am not sure if "including spin-bit in the specification" means inclu= ding it in the transport draft, considering the fact that we already have= multiple documents that specify the QUIC protocol: invariants, transport= , TLS, recovery. Having another document seems to be a natural way of int= egrating a specific feature.

Among the documents, I think it might be natural to assume that the tr= ansport document would have the shortest lifetime, while there is fair ch= ance that TLS and recovery documents will be reused in QUIC v2. I'd also = assume the spin-bit draft to have a longer lifetime, because I do not thi= nk we want to change the definition of the spin bits for each QUIC versio= n.

That seems to be one reason to prefer having spin bit as a separate dr= aft regardless of the status of the document. Is there a specific reason = to incorporate the spin-bit specification into the transport draft?

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That's an interesting perspective.
On that note though, an argument for describing how to set the bit in the t= ransport draft is that version specific changes to the protocol will requir= e updates to the text on how to set the bit.
We might see things like mulitpath, reliability modes with vastly different= acking schemes etc, which could have direct impact on how/if/when to filp = bits.

Also, it is only the normative text that would be included in the transp= ort draft and that's not a large amount of text at all.

Finally, there are two pieces of text relating to the bit that we want t= o publish, the normative part which is short and intended for implementors = and text on how to detect the bit and how/what to measure etc. That second = piece is the one which will require more text and is likely of less interes= t to implementors, therefore a good fit for it would be the manageability d= ocument.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c49b9572122d_7313f8e972d45b4477ab-- From nobody Thu Jan 24 08:55:14 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E2A71311D5 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2019 08:55:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.552 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.552 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TlSh5KxQWJLl for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2019 08:55:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C7B8130EB8 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2019 08:55:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 08:55:10 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548348910; bh=i5T8u6PdGWds0HHnPYv+1tjTxmUeCxyS/br09zq+Y3o=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=HQG+TNtb6eFQ9u/xUyYMdSTZlBNVk0X8v2v55uPgR/e05w20sItqXAn8pltfK+Jq8 OCvDhKO5coLJQD7FxQ4w27C1nwkQWxRWStDpPDVnOpMPQnImUaXrVBpsC/c8kcn5Nh HUGZ3AaxWl0qZkEfOM/HFKiOQHjz9Y4Xc0Er8SzI= From: Marcus Ihlar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Moving text on spinbit into transport (#2364) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c49edee1afe5_4c423fb4fc0d45bc29703f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ihlar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 16:55:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c49edee1afe5_4c423fb4fc0d45bc29703f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ihlar commented on this pull request. > +discussed in {{QUIC-MANAGEABILITY}}. + +The spin bit utilizes a single bit in the first byte of the short header. The +location of the bit and procedures for how to set it by clients and servers are +defined in {{short-header}}. + +Implementations MAY select to not implement the full spin bit functionality. In +that case they are only REQUIRED to implement what is defined for the spin bit +when it is disabled. + +Each endpoint unilaterally decides if the spin bit is enabled or disabled for a +connection. Implementations SHOULD allow administrators of clients and servers +to disable the spin bit either globally or on a per-connection basis. Even when +the spin bit is not disabled by the administrator implementations SHOULD disable +the spin bit on a randomly chosen fraction of connections. However, connections +may be configured to explicitly enable spinning, for example in the case of Not sure why this would be a SHOULD, here we describe a case where a single connection has been explicitly configured to spin (e.g some debug or tracing mode enabled). In that case, spinning shouldn't be disabled for that specific connection as a result of the random selection process. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2364#discussion_r250691345 ----==_mimepart_5c49edee1afe5_4c423fb4fc0d45bc29703f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@ihlar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +discussed in {{QUIC-MANAGEABILITY}}.
+
+The spin bit utilizes a single bit in the first byte of the short header. The
+location of the bit and procedures for how to set it by clients and servers are
+defined in {{short-header}}.
+
+Implementations MAY select to not implement the full spin bit functionality. In
+that case they are only REQUIRED to implement what is defined for the spin bit
+when it is disabled.
+
+Each endpoint unilaterally decides if the spin bit is enabled or disabled for a
+connection. Implementations SHOULD allow administrators of clients and servers
+to disable the spin bit either globally or on a per-connection basis. Even when
+the spin bit is not disabled by the administrator implementations SHOULD disable
+the spin bit on a randomly chosen fraction of connections. However, connections
+may be configured to explicitly enable spinning, for example in the case of

Not sure why this would be a SHOULD, here we describe a case where a single connection has been explicitly configured to spin (e.g some debug or tracing mode enabled). In that case, spinning shouldn't be disabled for that specific connection as a result of the random selection process.

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@britram yes, I'm working on it. I'm reading the latest changes that are proposed and adjusting accordingly for quicwg/ops-drafts#58

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Having another document seems to be a natural way of=0D > integrating a specific feature.=0D >=0D > Among the documents, I think it might be natural to assume that the=0D > transport document would have the shortest lifetime, while there is fair= =0D > chance that TLS and recovery documents will be reused in QUIC v2. I'd als= o=0D > assume the spin-bit draft to have a longer lifetime, because I do not thi= nk=0D > we want to change the definition of the spin bits for each QUIC version.= =0D >=0D > That seems to be one reason to prefer having spin bit as a separate draft= =0D > regardless of the status of the document. Is there a specific reason to= =0D > incorporate the spin-bit specification into the transport draft?=0D >=0D The transport draft is the logical place to say that the bit is taken and= =0D to give a pointer to what it is taken for. I think keeping the normative= =0D text on how to exercise the bit in the transport draft is cleaner. It may= =0D change in some later version, but this is the v1 meaning of that bit and=0D its states.=0D =0D It is not an invariant, in other words, but a v1 feature that may not be=0D continued in later versions. That's not quite experimental in the usual=0D sense--a change to the meaning would occur in later versions. 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=0D > I am not sure if "including spin-bit in the specification" m= eans including
=0D > it in the transport draft, considering the fact that we already have=0D > multiple documents that specify the QUIC protocol: invariants, transpo= rt,
=0D > TLS, recovery. Having another document seems to be a natural way of=0D > integrating a specific feature.
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=0D > Among the documents, I think it might be natural to assume that the=0D > transport document would have the shortest lifetime, while there is fa= ir
=0D > chance that TLS and recovery documents will be reused in QUIC v2. I= 9;d also
=0D > assume the spin-bit draft to have a longer lifetime, because I do not = think
=0D > we want to change the definition of the spin bits for each QUIC versio= n.
=0D >
=0D > That seems to be one reason to prefer having spin bit as a separate dr= aft
=0D > regardless of the status of the document. Is there a specific reason t= o
=0D > incorporate the spin-bit specification into the transport draft?
= =0D >
=0D The transport draft is the logical place to say that the bit is taken and=0D to give a pointer to what it is taken for. I think keeping the normative=0D text on how to exercise the bit in the transport draft is cleaner. It may<= br>=0D change in some later version, but this is the v1 meaning of that bit and=0D its states.
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It looks like the changes Brian is suggesting are editorial, but I'm not entirely sure about the changes to normative language. Can we make those after any merge? (Or even before it, given that this seems to be a little controversial...)

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Another note, in case I miss it. spin-exp has a contributors/acknowledgments section. If this merges, I want to talk to Brian about who we should be acknowledging, if anyone.

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IMO the changes to normative language are editorial (reflecting my und= erstanding of consensus already reached); have withdrawn one suggestion o= n review.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -210,10 +210,18 @@ acknowledged by the decoder.
 
 ### Blocked Dynamic Table Insertions {#blocked-insertion}
 
+The encoder considers a dynamic table entry to be blocking if it has not yet
+received acknowledgement of insertion of the entry, or if it has not yet
+received acknowledgement of all references to the entry.  Note that a dynamic
+table entry that has never been referenced can still be blocking.  Also note

Indeed it is. However, I think it is worth keeping, especially because at two places in the spec this aspect of blocking has been overlooked.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  An encoder MUST NOT insert an entry into the dynamic table (or duplicate an
-existing entry) if doing so would evict an entry with unacknowledged references.
-For header blocks that might rely on the newly added entry, the encoder can use
-a literal representation.
+existing entry) if doing so would evict a blocking entry.  For header blocks
+that would rely on the newly added entry, the encoder can instead use a literal

Done.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -324,10 +332,9 @@ permit the encoder to track the decoder's state.  These events are:
 
 Knowledge that a header block with references to the dynamic table has been
 processed permits the encoder to evict entries to which no unacknowledged
-references remain, regardless of whether those references were potentially
-blocking (see {{blocked-insertion}}).  When a stream is reset or abandoned, the
-indication that these header blocks will never be processed serves a similar
-function; see {{stream-cancellation}}.
+references remain; see {{blocked-insertion}}.  When a stream is reset or

I agree with you. Sorry, I got inspired by the initial semicolon in this section.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -210,10 +210,18 @@ acknowledged by the decoder.
 
 ### Blocked Dynamic Table Insertions {#blocked-insertion}
 
+The encoder considers a dynamic table entry to be blocking if it has not yet
+received acknowledgement of insertion of the entry, or if it has not yet
+received acknowledgement of all references to the entry.  Note that a dynamic
+table entry that has never been referenced can still be blocking.  Also note
+that a blocking entry cannot be evicted, which is unrelated to a blocked stream,

I have a slight preference to emphasize that "blocking" is a concept from the encoder's point of view, for the sake of clarity, but I do not mind dropping that.

However, let me rephase that as "an entry is considered blocking and cannot be evicted" so that this sentence acts an a definition of blocking. Otherwise the property "blocking" is not defined, and it is not clear if after the insertion is acknowledged and so are all references, the entry will become a kind of blocking entry that can be evicted, or an entry that is not blocking any longer.

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----==_mimepart_5c4ae03d1f19c_7643fe98e2d45bc4025f6-- From nobody Fri Jan 25 18:50:43 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 251961310EE for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 18:50:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hbueGaUitxqK for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 18:50:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7939D1310EB for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 18:50:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2019 18:50:37 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548471037; bh=PI8qbQxg68h7ZAOlWTiRVN0qF/z0Edqo0aD2xEK0or0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=rMSEOznidh+s1huVcI70vIDizJAgQJJ0FEg6rhmChqLtVe8VlRV8Y2/jAxHgZ/ne5 nEA5e3A1qsd/EE6CYiSCtb3hkU5FgEg1jXOTP/L+ibFdpa66QskqW2WpKD8/FSvO3W 0rYeYp8DfnSywyxWSkye2w1UKLtdW1bT/j0vTDSw= From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Merge normative -spin-exp text into -transport (#2369) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c4bcafd6fa9_62063fb7a2ed45c41847b6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2019 02:50:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c4bcafd6fa9_62063fb7a2ed45c41847b6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So, to be clear, the document split is an entirely editorial decision;=0D= let's not conflate that with discussions about whether spin is PS or not.= =0D Of course, if spin is not PS, then the answer is clear, but even if spin = is=0D PS, whether it remains in a separate document or not is still an editoria= l=0D discussion.=0D =0D I'm happy to have this discussion in Tokyo, but we need to clearly separa= te=0D the two discussions.=0D =0D Please note that the recovery draft is standards track, but it is a=0D separate document. Being in a separate document is meaningful for things= =0D that can modularly be separated, esp since the transport document is=0D already quite long at the moment.=0D =0D On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 10:30 AM hardie wrote:= =0D =0D > On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 2:18 AM Kazuho Oku =0D= > wrote:=0D >=0D > > I am not sure if "including spin-bit in the specification" means=0D > including=0D > > it in the transport draft, considering the fact that we already have=0D= > > multiple documents that specify the QUIC protocol: invariants, transp= ort,=0D > > TLS, recovery. Having another document seems to be a natural way of=0D= > > integrating a specific feature.=0D > >=0D > > Among the documents, I think it might be natural to assume that the=0D= > > transport document would have the shortest lifetime, while there is f= air=0D > > chance that TLS and recovery documents will be reused in QUIC v2. I'd= =0D > also=0D > > assume the spin-bit draft to have a longer lifetime, because I do not= =0D > think=0D > > we want to change the definition of the spin bits for each QUIC versi= on.=0D > >=0D > > That seems to be one reason to prefer having spin bit as a separate d= raft=0D > > regardless of the status of the document. Is there a specific reason = to=0D > > incorporate the spin-bit specification into the transport draft?=0D > >=0D > The transport draft is the logical place to say that the bit is taken a= nd=0D > to give a pointer to what it is taken for. I think keeping the normativ= e=0D > text on how to exercise the bit in the transport draft is cleaner. It m= ay=0D > change in some later version, but this is the v1 meaning of that bit an= d=0D > its states.=0D >=0D > It is not an invariant, in other words, but a v1 feature that may not b= e=0D > continued in later versions. That's not quite experimental in the usual= =0D > sense--a change to the meaning would occur in later versions. (You coul= d,=0D > of course, later have a security draft say that even v1 ought to refrai= n=0D > from spinning, should some issue occur, but that wouldn't change what=0D= > spinning meant)=0D >=0D > Ted=0D >=0D >=0D > > =E2=80=94=0D > > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.=0D > > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub=0D > > <=0D > https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2369#issuecomment-45714411= 3>,=0D > > or mute the thread=0D > > <=0D > https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ABVb5KjEzrC9dqRFyQi9w= XsKCS6IRQD6ks5vGYh7gaJpZM4aQb9w=0D > >=0D > > .=0D > >=0D >=0D > =E2=80=94=0D > You are receiving this because you were mentioned.=0D > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub=0D > ,=0D > or mute the thread=0D > =0D > .=0D >=0D =0D =0D -- =0D You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.=0D Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub:=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2369#issuecomment-457794896= ----==_mimepart_5c4bcafd6fa9_62063fb7a2ed45c41847b6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So, to be clear, the document split is an entirely editorial decision;=0D let's not conflate that with discussions about whether spin is PS or = not.
=0D Of course, if spin is not PS, then the answer is clear, but even if spin = is
=0D PS, whether it remains in a separate document or not is still an editoria= l
=0D discussion.
=0D
=0D I'm happy to have this discussion in Tokyo, but we need to clearly se= parate
=0D the two discussions.
=0D
=0D Please note that the recovery draft is standards track, but it is a
=0D= separate document. Being in a separate document is meaningful for things=
=0D that can modularly be separated, esp since the transport document is
=0D= already quite long at the moment.
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=0D On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 10:30 AM hardie <notifications@github.com> = wrote:
=0D
=0D > On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 2:18 AM Kazuho Oku <notifications@github.= com>
=0D > wrote:
=0D >
=0D > > I am not sure if "including spin-bit in the specification&= quot; means
=0D > including
=0D > > it in the transport draft, considering the fact that we already= have
=0D > > multiple documents that specify the QUIC protocol: invariants, = transport,
=0D > > TLS, recovery. Having another document seems to be a natural wa= y of
=0D > > integrating a specific feature.
=0D > >
=0D > > Among the documents, I think it might be natural to assume that= the
=0D > > transport document would have the shortest lifetime, while ther= e is fair
=0D > > chance that TLS and recovery documents will be reused in QUIC v= 2. I'd
=0D > also
=0D > > assume the spin-bit draft to have a longer lifetime, because I = do not
=0D > think
=0D > > we want to change the definition of the spin bits for each QUIC= version.
=0D > >
=0D > > That seems to be one reason to prefer having spin bit as a sepa= rate draft
=0D > > regardless of the status of the document. Is there a specific r= eason to
=0D > > incorporate the spin-bit specification into the transport draft= ?
=0D > >
=0D > The transport draft is the logical place to say that the bit is take= n and
=0D > to give a pointer to what it is taken for. I think keeping the norma= tive
=0D > text on how to exercise the bit in the transport draft is cleaner. I= t may
=0D > change in some later version, but this is the v1 meaning of that bit= and
=0D > its states.
=0D >
=0D > It is not an invariant, in other words, but a v1 feature that may no= t be
=0D > continued in later versions. That's not quite experimental in th= e usual
=0D > sense--a change to the meaning would occur in later versions. (You c= ould,
=0D > of course, later have a security draft say that even v1 ought to ref= rain
=0D > from spinning, should some issue occur, but that wouldn't change= what
=0D > spinning meant)
=0D >
=0D > Ted
=0D >
=0D >
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If I understand our rules for dropp= ing keys correctly, this attack is only possible for a limited amount= of time, namely 3 PTO after the server received the Client Initial:

For 0-RTT keys, which do not carry CRYPTO frames, this timer starts wh= en the first packets protected with 1-RTT are sent or received.

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State requirement that clients must wait until the server considers the handshake finished before starting migration.

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  • Merge pull request #11 from quicwg/master
  • State requirement that clients must wait until ACK of 1-RTT

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1847,6 +1847,11 @@ endpoint migrates to a new address.
 An endpoint MUST NOT initiate connection migration before the handshake is
 finished and the endpoint has 1-RTT keys.  The design of QUIC relies on
 endpoints retaining a stable address for the duration of the handshake.
+Clients MUST NOT initiate connection migration before they are
+certain that their peer also considers the handshake finished. This
+means that in addition to waiting for availability of 1-RTT keys,
+clients MUST wait acknowledgement by the server of one of their
+1-RTT messages before initiating connection migration.

Suggest singular form: A client...

A client MUST NOT initiate connection migration before it is certain
that it's peer also considers the handshake finished. This means that
in addition to waiting for availability of 1-RTT keys, a client MUST
also await acknowledgement of at least one of it's 1-RTT transmitted
packets before initiating connection migration.

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@mikkelfj commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1847,6 +1847,11 @@ endpoint migrates to a new address.
 An endpoint MUST NOT initiate connection migration before the handshake is
 finished and the endpoint has 1-RTT keys.  The design of QUIC relies on
 endpoints retaining a stable address for the duration of the handshake.
+Clients MUST NOT initiate connection migration before they are
+certain that their peer also considers the handshake finished. This
+means that in addition to waiting for availability of 1-RTT keys,
+clients MUST wait acknowledgement by the server of one of their
+1-RTT messages before initiating connection migration.
 
 An endpoint also MUST NOT initiate connection migration if the peer sent the
 `disable_migration` transport parameter during the handshake.  An endpoint which

Not in this PR, but why do we use both client, server, peer, and endpoint, when migration can only happen from the client in V1 (or did I miss something?)

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1847,6 +1847,11 @@ endpoint migrates to a new address.
 An endpoint MUST NOT initiate connection migration before the handshake is
 finished and the endpoint has 1-RTT keys.  The design of QUIC relies on
 endpoints retaining a stable address for the duration of the handshake.
+Clients MUST NOT initiate connection migration before they are
+certain that their peer also considers the handshake finished. This
+means that in addition to waiting for availability of 1-RTT keys,
+clients MUST wait acknowledgement by the server of one of their
+1-RTT messages before initiating connection migration.
 
 An endpoint also MUST NOT initiate connection migration if the peer sent the
 `disable_migration` transport parameter during the handshake.  An endpoint which

Some of that's just a mix of different text coming in at different times, I think.
At one point, the idea was to deliberately keep the text agnostic (for the most part, any text restricting who can initiate is clearly going to be one-sided) to endpoint, since that allowed reasoning about it as initiator and responder rather than client vs. server.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1847,6 +1847,11 @@ endpoint migrates to a new address.
 An endpoint MUST NOT initiate connection migration before the handshake is
 finished and the endpoint has 1-RTT keys.  The design of QUIC relies on
 endpoints retaining a stable address for the duration of the handshake.
+Clients MUST NOT initiate connection migration before they are

Just a nit, but this appears to put stricter requirements on the statements made in the previous two sentences, is there any reason not to merge them together?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1847,6 +1847,11 @@ endpoint migrates to a new address.
 An endpoint MUST NOT initiate connection migration before the handshake is
 finished and the endpoint has 1-RTT keys.  The design of QUIC relies on
 endpoints retaining a stable address for the duration of the handshake.
+Clients MUST NOT initiate connection migration before they are
+certain that their peer also considers the handshake finished. This
+means that in addition to waiting for availability of 1-RTT keys,
+clients MUST wait acknowledgement by the server of one of their
+1-RTT messages before initiating connection migration.
 
 An endpoint also MUST NOT initiate connection migration if the peer sent the
 `disable_migration` transport parameter during the handshake.  An endpoint which

The part about 1-rtt ack is actually client specific. I think I was influenced by the picotls implementation that only provides the 1-rtt read key after CFIN has been received, and did not spell out the parallel server requirement that some 1rtt packet should have been received. Will do.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1847,6 +1847,11 @@ endpoint migrates to a new address.
 An endpoint MUST NOT initiate connection migration before the handshake is
 finished and the endpoint has 1-RTT keys.  The design of QUIC relies on
 endpoints retaining a stable address for the duration of the handshake.
+Clients MUST NOT initiate connection migration before they are
+certain that their peer also considers the handshake finished. This
+means that in addition to waiting for availability of 1-RTT keys,
+clients MUST wait acknowledgement by the server of one of their
+1-RTT messages before initiating connection migration.
 
 An endpoint also MUST NOT initiate connection migration if the peer sent the
 `disable_migration` transport parameter during the handshake.  An endpoint which

I rewrote this to be generally neutral, while leaving the specific requirements for server and client. Where did we specify that only the client initiates migrations in V1? I know of at least one implementation (not mine) that migrates the connection to a new CID as soon as the handshake is done and it has received "NEW CID" frames from the client.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1847,6 +1847,11 @@ endpoint migrates to a new address.
 An endpoint MUST NOT initiate connection migration before the handshake is
 finished and the endpoint has 1-RTT keys.  The design of QUIC relies on
 endpoints retaining a stable address for the duration of the handshake.
+Clients MUST NOT initiate connection migration before they are
+certain that their peer also considers the handshake finished. This
+means that in addition to waiting for availability of 1-RTT keys,
+clients MUST wait acknowledgement by the server of one of their
+1-RTT messages before initiating connection migration.
 
 An endpoint also MUST NOT initiate connection migration if the peer sent the
 `disable_migration` transport parameter during the handshake.  An endpoint which

@huitema > Where did we specify that only the client initiates migrations in V1?

I'm not sure, but from memory it was dropped at some point because symmetric ping pong got hairy during updates or some defence became difficult.

Maybe it didn't land? Found this:

Caution:
If both endpoints change connection ID in response to seeing a change in connection ID from their peer, then this can trigger an infinite sequence of changes.

But there is this, which seems to be preferred address only - maybe I got it mixed up_

9.6, transport:

Migrating a connection to a new server address mid-connection is left for future work.

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To my mind, I think that is=0D= clear that the consensus declared there and confirmed on the list was to=0D= have it at the same level as the spec (so, PS).=0D =0D Amusingly, if you listen past the negotiation section which follows, Mirj= a=0D asks whether that means spin bit should get merged into the transport=0D document. Not to spoil the ending, Lars answered yes and then immediate= ly=0D back tracked to make this an editorial decision, which got general approv= al.=0D =0D I'm happy to have this discussion in Tokyo, but we need to clearly separa= te=0D > the two discussions.=0D >=0D > I really don't want to discuss the question of PS vs. experimental in=0D= Tokyo. I am happy to express my preferences to the editors of the draft = on=0D which I would prefer as a reader, but I think that this is an editorial=0D= decision was settled back in Bangkok.=0D =0D =0D > Please note that the recovery draft is standards track, but it is a=0D > separate document. Being in a separate document is meaningful for thing= s=0D > that can modularly be separated, esp since the transport document is=0D= > already quite long at the moment.=0D >=0D > And I think that is the crux of the discussion. Having decided that we= =0D are doing this for version one, I don't think it is useful to call out th= e=0D behavior of this bit as separate enough to require an independent doc, an= y=0D more than I would suggest doing that for address validation or connection= =0D migration, each of which also could be carved out.=0D =0D Ted=0D =0D =0D > On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 10:30 AM hardie wrot= e:=0D >=0D > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 2:18 AM Kazuho Oku = =0D > > wrote:=0D > >=0D > > > I am not sure if "including spin-bit in the specification" means=0D= > > including=0D > > > it in the transport draft, considering the fact that we already hav= e=0D > > > multiple documents that specify the QUIC protocol: invariants,=0D > transport,=0D > > > TLS, recovery. Having another document seems to be a natural way of= =0D > > > integrating a specific feature.=0D > > >=0D > > > Among the documents, I think it might be natural to assume that the= =0D > > > transport document would have the shortest lifetime, while there is= =0D > fair=0D > > > chance that TLS and recovery documents will be reused in QUIC v2. I= 'd=0D > > also=0D > > > assume the spin-bit draft to have a longer lifetime, because I do n= ot=0D > > think=0D > > > we want to change the definition of the spin bits for each QUIC=0D > version.=0D > > >=0D > > > That seems to be one reason to prefer having spin bit as a separate= =0D > draft=0D > > > regardless of the status of the document. Is there a specific reaso= n to=0D > > > incorporate the spin-bit specification into the transport draft?=0D= > > >=0D > > The transport draft is the logical place to say that the bit is taken= and=0D > > to give a pointer to what it is taken for. I think keeping the normat= ive=0D > > text on how to exercise the bit in the transport draft is cleaner. It= may=0D > > change in some later version, but this is the v1 meaning of that bit = and=0D > > its states.=0D > >=0D > > It is not an invariant, in other words, but a v1 feature that may not= be=0D > > continued in later versions. That's not quite experimental in the usu= al=0D > > sense--a change to the meaning would occur in later versions. (You co= uld,=0D > > of course, later have a security draft say that even v1 ought to refr= ain=0D > > from spinning, should some issue occur, but that wouldn't change what= =0D > > spinning meant)=0D > >=0D > > Ted=0D > >=0D > >=0D > > > =E2=80=94=0D > > > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.=0D= > > > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub=0D > > > <=0D > > https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2369#issuecomment-457144= 113=0D > >,=0D > > > or mute the thread=0D > > > <=0D > >=0D > https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ABVb5KjEzrC9dqRFyQi9w= XsKCS6IRQD6ks5vGYh7gaJpZM4aQb9w=0D > > >=0D > > > .=0D > > >=0D > >=0D > > =E2=80=94=0D > > You are receiving this because you were mentioned.=0D > > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub=0D > > <=0D > https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2369#issuecomment-45730576= 4>,=0D > > or mute the thread=0D > > <=0D > https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AKjg1DoiyxpWo39ZPTuM5= ehu8LC7EZh6ks5vGfvFgaJpZM4aQb9w=0D > >=0D > > .=0D > >=0D >=0D > =E2=80=94=0D > You are receiving this because you commented.=0D > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub=0D > ,=0D > or mute the thread=0D > =0D > .=0D >=0D =0D =0D -- =0D You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.=0D Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub:=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2369#issuecomment-457959473= ----==_mimepart_5c4e2df2a9a22_76553fc4de2d45b437717 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 6:50 PM Jana Iyengar <notifications@github.com= >
=0D wrote:
=0D
=0D > So, to be clear, the document split is an entirely editorial decisio= n;
=0D > let's not conflate that with discussions about whether spin is P= S or not.
=0D > Of course, if spin is not PS, then the answer is clear, but even if = spin is
=0D > PS, whether it remains in a separate document or not is still an edi= torial
=0D > discussion.
=0D >
=0D > So I went back to the recording on this (
=0D https://youtu.be/s3aiyJI1xdU?t=3D5644) and the rough consensus was "= to
=0D include the spin bit in the specification". To my mind, I think tha= t is
=0D clear that the consensus declared there and confirmed on the list was to<= br>=0D have it at the same level as the spec (so, PS).
=0D
=0D Amusingly, if you listen past the negotiation section which follows, Mirj= a
=0D asks whether that means spin bit should get merged into the transport
= =0D document. Not to spoil the ending, Lars answered yes and then immediate= ly
=0D back tracked to make this an editorial decision, which got general approv= al.
=0D
=0D I'm happy to have this discussion in Tokyo, but we need to clearly se= parate
=0D > the two discussions.
=0D >
=0D > I really don't want to discuss the question of PS vs. experiment= al in
=0D Tokyo. I am happy to express my preferences to the editors of the draft = on
=0D which I would prefer as a reader, but I think that this is an editorial=0D decision was settled back in Bangkok.
=0D
=0D
=0D > Please note that the recovery draft is standards track, but it is a<= br>=0D > separate document. Being in a separate document is meaningful for th= ings
=0D > that can modularly be separated, esp since the transport document is=
=0D > already quite long at the moment.
=0D >
=0D > And I think that is the crux of the discussion. Having decided that= we
=0D are doing this for version one, I don't think it is useful to call ou= t the
=0D behavior of this bit as separate enough to require an independent doc, an= y
=0D more than I would suggest doing that for address validation or connection=
=0D migration, each of which also could be carved out.
=0D
=0D Ted
=0D
=0D
=0D > On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 10:30 AM hardie <notifications@github.com= > wrote:
=0D >
=0D > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 2:18 AM Kazuho Oku <notifications@gi= thub.com>
=0D > > wrote:
=0D > >
=0D > > > I am not sure if "including spin-bit in the specifica= tion" means
=0D > > including
=0D > > > it in the transport draft, considering the fact that we al= ready have
=0D > > > multiple documents that specify the QUIC protocol: invaria= nts,
=0D > transport,
=0D > > > TLS, recovery. Having another document seems to be a natur= al way of
=0D > > > integrating a specific feature.
=0D > > >
=0D > > > Among the documents, I think it might be natural to assume= that the
=0D > > > transport document would have the shortest lifetime, while= there is
=0D > fair
=0D > > > chance that TLS and recovery documents will be reused in Q= UIC v2. I'd
=0D > > also
=0D > > > assume the spin-bit draft to have a longer lifetime, becau= se I do not
=0D > > think
=0D > > > we want to change the definition of the spin bits for each= QUIC
=0D > version.
=0D > > >
=0D > > > That seems to be one reason to prefer having spin bit as a= separate
=0D > draft
=0D > > > regardless of the status of the document. Is there a speci= fic reason to
=0D > > > incorporate the spin-bit specification into the transport = draft?
=0D > > >
=0D > > The transport draft is the logical place to say that the bit is= taken and
=0D > > to give a pointer to what it is taken for. I think keeping the = normative
=0D > > text on how to exercise the bit in the transport draft is clean= er. It may
=0D > > change in some later version, but this is the v1 meaning of tha= t bit and
=0D > > its states.
=0D > >
=0D > > It is not an invariant, in other words, but a v1 feature that m= ay not be
=0D > > continued in later versions. That's not quite experimental = in the usual
=0D > > sense--a change to the meaning would occur in later versions. (= You could,
=0D > > of course, later have a security draft say that even v1 ought t= o refrain
=0D > > from spinning, should some issue occur, but that wouldn't c= hange what
=0D > > spinning meant)
=0D > >
=0D > > Ted
=0D > >
=0D > >
=0D > > > =E2=80=94
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=0D= =0D = ----==_mimepart_5c4e2df2a9a22_76553fc4de2d45b437717-- From nobody Sun Jan 27 14:29:12 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62CD4130EE3 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 14:29:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.552 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.552 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bkM9u-67ngD4 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 14:29:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3B792130ECF for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 14:29:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 14:29:08 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548628148; bh=j8MADUnNMf0AdcypKEimvH+Jah+yvpKE0D1xGp0aCdI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ftTn7BfBW0of8Af+ySk3CNIPM/MdAK+qcM01VeTzluC2UxzPmNbwnqXibsKsMoh2E dHHBpgz6WVJ5bVKDk6ByU4+9k4ygNV4qTYkLK5dN1DHCEvMxGfcUJpQBaXzmfl0xrX WZPGKyCmXpUFzlu7uhlEnPTQXnM3d6GIGPi4S3N8= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Stronger migration handshake (#2370) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c4e30b42d161_70243fc476ed45c05176d4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 22:29:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c4e30b42d161_70243fc476ed45c05176d4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kazuho commented on this pull request. > endpoints retaining a stable address for the duration of the handshake. +An endpoint MUST NOT initiate connection migration before the handshake is +finished for it and its peer and the endpoint has 1-RTT keys. This means +that the server MUST NOT initiate connection migration before it has +received at least one 1-RTT data from the client, and the client +MUST NOT initiate connection migration before receiving +acknowledgement by the server of at least one of its +1-RTT messages. How about reusing the event that triggers the 3 PTO timer to drop the handshake keys, instead of defining a different event? Activation of the 3 PTO timer to drop the handshake key happens when an endpoint "has both received and acknowledged all CRYPTO frames for that encryption level and when all CRYPTO frames for that encryption level have been acknowledged by its peer." (https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-tls.html#rfc.section.4.9). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2370#pullrequestreview-196848476 ----==_mimepart_5c4e30b42d161_70243fc476ed45c05176d4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@kazuho commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  endpoints retaining a stable address for the duration of the handshake.
+An endpoint MUST NOT initiate connection migration before the handshake is
+finished for it and its peer and the endpoint has 1-RTT keys. This means
+that the server MUST NOT initiate connection migration before it has
+received at least one 1-RTT data from the client, and the client 
+MUST NOT initiate connection migration before receiving 
+acknowledgement by the server of at least one of its
+1-RTT messages.

How about reusing the event that triggers the 3 PTO timer to drop the handshake keys, instead of defining a different event?

Activation of the 3 PTO timer to drop the handshake key happens when an endpoint "has both received and acknowledged all CRYPTO frames for that encryption level and when all CRYPTO frames for that encryption level have been acknowledged by its peer." (https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-tls.html#rfc.section.4.9).

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QPACK error codes do not have numbers yet. They are marked as TBD.

Can we have them assigned? I think that's possible because the HTTP3 specification is becoming mature and QPACK is fairly stable.

Personally, my preference goes to allocating 0x2xx for QPACK.

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Recovery draft assumes only PADDING and ACK are not ACK-eliciting. However, PATH_CHALLENGE is not ACK-eliciting since it's ACK'ed by PATH_RESPONSE.

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----==_mimepart_5c4e539714556_58ad3f94370d45c0183834-- From nobody Sun Jan 27 17:03:45 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBF6B130EDE for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 17:03:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2VhjLDgNom4A for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 17:03:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 41AC8130E9B for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 17:03:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 17:03:40 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548637420; bh=XeZy/gCirZhiRdT5aCSSCHs2TPr4apxX8GVs/+RoTDM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=yViLuxvP99PxlfJ6+AzhGkFizUxILArOi6XeXmA4B/J4ln/a5WIbmP9sWIpaf8NYO fbqcCTQBcOdj/ADxvR6K/I9mnGkJTZZpX37SFeTaXPA4PXOxQFFmvb5uFfmi1pnlIt TvH7wmZzoz1cls3fFz1AKDDi3ns7+clroUV4QQLc= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] PATH_* frames are not ACK-eliciting (#2372) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c4e54ece1fce_603b3f83fccd45b419415c5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 01:03:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c4e54ece1fce_603b3f83fccd45b419415c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not finding the text in transport that says they're not ack-eliciting, and I'd rather make them ack-eliciting unless there's an important reason they can't be. I did find text that says acknowledgement is not a substitute for PATH_RESPONSE: "Receipt of an acknowledgment for a packet containing a PATH_CHALLENGE frame is not adequate validation, since the acknowledgment can be spoofed by a malicious peer." -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2372#issuecomment-457971166 ----==_mimepart_5c4e54ece1fce_603b3f83fccd45b419415c5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm not finding the text in transport that says they're not ack-elicit= ing, and I'd rather make them ack-eliciting unless there's an important r= eason they can't be. I did find text that says acknowledgement is not a = substitute for PATH_RESPONSE:
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1847,6 +1847,11 @@ endpoint migrates to a new address.
 An endpoint MUST NOT initiate connection migration before the handshake is
 finished and the endpoint has 1-RTT keys.  The design of QUIC relies on
 endpoints retaining a stable address for the duration of the handshake.
+Clients MUST NOT initiate connection migration before they are

I think the updated version solves your issue.

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Ack-eliciting Frames: All frames besides ACK or PADDING are considered= ack-eliciting

I don't know how connection migration would work if PATH_CHALLENGE tri= ggers PATH_RESPONSE+ACK since ACK is a non-probing frame (i.e., it trigge= rs migration).

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  endpoints retaining a stable address for the duration of the handshake.
+An endpoint MUST NOT initiate connection migration before the handshake is
+finished for it and its peer and the endpoint has 1-RTT keys. This means
+that the server MUST NOT initiate connection migration before it has
+received at least one 1-RTT data from the client, and the client 
+MUST NOT initiate connection migration before receiving 
+acknowledgement by the server of at least one of its
+1-RTT messages.

I really don't like the CRYPTO frames reference. There is no FIN mark on the crypto stream, and the QUIC engine proper does not know when "all crypto frames" have been received. I was careful to use signals that the transport stack understand: obtaining keys, receiving packets, etc.

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I think you're supposed to send the ACK on the non-probing path, but I'm not the connection migration expert.

The main benefit of them not being ack-eliciting in my mind is it makes it clear that their loss should not cause a congestion control reaction.

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I think it would greatly simplify things if they were made non ack-eliciting. Like you said, if they are not ACK'ed then it doesn't change the congestion window.

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----==_mimepart_5c4e62b94132e_16a53f89664d45c097424a-- From nobody Sun Jan 27 18:04:51 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96A7B130ED9 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 18:04:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4wlsIAKCfluW for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 18:04:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 098B412426A for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 18:04:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 18:04:48 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548641088; bh=Oe7M0SUj7dsaRzprgn27N2WvDsrYGB7seJtRM4YEzH4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=jwjCnsL34EHqSWfCWk7MvCwBCNcUswNEYL11/z/2nu+ya1IEw4EPtlAbKor4HIV1G XEzyYb9evEAGpUMPjx/HBRRh6KBUbOSZECWknfdbHpSN6G3YMEYDsRXQA+SHX/FifO TdQBwnGgpQeD70bwXzWlamuvpYVtziDWhX1PlYuM= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Stronger migration handshake (#2370) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c4e63402c511_11753fa24f6d45bc13895cb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 02:04:51 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c4e63402c511_11753fa24f6d45bc13895cb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ianswett commented on this pull request. > endpoints retaining a stable address for the duration of the handshake. +An endpoint MUST NOT initiate connection migration before the handshake is +finished for it and its peer and the endpoint has 1-RTT keys. This means +that the server MUST NOT initiate connection migration before it has +received at least one 1-RTT data from the client, and the client +MUST NOT initiate connection migration before receiving +acknowledgement by the server of at least one of its +1-RTT messages. I'm happy with this approach, but I'd replace "before receiving acknowledgement by the server of at least one of its 1-RTT messages" with "before receiving a 1RTT ACK frame." for simplicity. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2370#discussion_r251267637 ----==_mimepart_5c4e63402c511_11753fa24f6d45bc13895cb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  endpoints retaining a stable address for the duration of the handshake.
+An endpoint MUST NOT initiate connection migration before the handshake is
+finished for it and its peer and the endpoint has 1-RTT keys. This means
+that the server MUST NOT initiate connection migration before it has
+received at least one 1-RTT data from the client, and the client 
+MUST NOT initiate connection migration before receiving 
+acknowledgement by the server of at least one of its
+1-RTT messages.

I'm happy with this approach, but I'd replace "before receiving acknowledgement by the server of at least one of its 1-RTT messages" with "before receiving a 1RTT ACK frame." for simplicity.

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I think the original intent was that they would be acked on the main p= ath, but making them non ack-eliciting would also remove a (somewhat mino= r) linkability concern.
Having them not influence congestion control seems like a strong reason t= o make them non ack-eliciting.
Either way, seems like clarification would be helpful here.

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The client can't send RESET_STREAM on a push stream ID.

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----==_mimepart_5c4e65fbf1be6_4e133fecca2d45b414556f-- From nobody Sun Jan 27 18:19:18 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7982130F2C for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 18:19:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.007 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.007 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U0rzBOKubzUc for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 18:19:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3D27130F33 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 18:19:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 18:19:13 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548641953; bh=RbtUBPScHqKre3W7NcT6CKvW6EAUoTfW+YIPHI0imDU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Mz8B3QOjdkXRFWyMBK+ijcGtLO1wuR1ZQNLczkFy63iEdSWJ5lqVPAEn3v+6I4qpJ cfDpne1JHcZyjXiPHpTq3pnz4zw5jbthkho9xssjdDERtklPcgnmW42YbVcDO3hgze HX+GXDieKcoFkMLbbY5CkCr9j3+KECNBU/G3adJ8= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] PATH_* frames should not be ACK-eliciting (#2372) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c4e66a173b00_324a3f86d40d45b87851dc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 02:19:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c4e66a173b00_324a3f86d40d45b87851dc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I implemented these frames as non ack eliciting. Trying to manage ACK for them would be weird. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2372#issuecomment-457979623 ----==_mimepart_5c4e66a173b00_324a3f86d40d45b87851dc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I implemented these frames as non ack eliciting. Trying to manage ACK for them would be weird.

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I'm happy to make these non ACK-eliciting now that I think about it more.

If anyone objects to this change, I'd like to hear why.

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----==_mimepart_5c4e6701d2646_79783f94370d45c0241154-- From nobody Sun Jan 27 18:37:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45C03130F47 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 18:37:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6lbbiT534BWM for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 18:37:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 608F8130F41 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 18:37:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 18:37:53 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548643073; bh=dWdBEfIfCAwgOyvQwKHfd98pQVHlzkyYdtNN/V7HEbY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=YK1AnPoMoR/aXgXzx7AZUFFemskXCWvDk5nVi9WeWGLAVYHeiMEpDhyDdKnVrqxJ+ wvGEv3C3ucKLwknCRVvs3GMxLmFbTUr4vGqhi7dS4TRCCN5B6MeQwwmUji7HWICDMt MbsZTOM5GD+k3NLsQHwI7iO9mWdBDRy2i+BtbsDg= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] loss of only two packets can lead to an unrecoverable situation (#2267) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c4e6b0152afa_70a43f94370d45c01896380"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 02:37:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c4e6b0152afa_70a43f94370d45c01896380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just completed a PR in Picoquic to fix this issue. What it does: 1) Client side, implicit ACK of the first Initial Packet if the handshake key is received. After that, apply a special parser for Initial frames (see point 4 below) 2) Server side, move to a "ready" state when the 1st 1-RTT packet from client is received; as part of that move, implicit ACK of Initial and Handshake packets sent by the server. 3) Client side, move to the "ready" state when first ACK of 1-RTT packet is received from server. This triggers implicit ACK of Initial and Handshake packets sent by the client. 4) In Ready state, use a specific parser for Initial and Handshake message. Effectively ignore all frames in these packets, but if there is an ACK eliciting frame, schedule an ACK. This removes a bunch of corner cases, such as spurious retransmit of Initial packets in the middle of a migration. It also closes an avenue for DOS against established connections, since Initial packets cannot anymore change the state of the connection once the handshake is complete. Well, not quite all attacks: Initial packets can still trigger an ACK that might cause an allergic reaction at the peer. But then, the attacker could also send spoofed ACK in Initial packets directly to the peer, so this is not exactly a new attack. Plus, if the peer adopts the defenses outlined above, the spoofed ACK will have no side effect. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2267#issuecomment-457982113 ----==_mimepart_5c4e6b0152afa_70a43f94370d45c01896380 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I just completed a PR in Picoquic to fix this issue. What it does:

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  1. Client side, implicit ACK of the first Initial Packet if the handshak= e key is received. After that, apply a special parser for Initial frames = (see point 4 below)
  2. Server side, move to a "ready" state when the 1st 1-RTT packet from c= lient is received; as part of that move, implicit ACK of Initial and Hand= shake packets sent by the server.
  3. Client side, move to the "ready" state when first ACK of 1-RTT packet= is received from server. This triggers implicit ACK of Initial and Hands= hake packets sent by the client.
  4. In Ready state, use a specific parser for Initial and Handshake messa= ge. Effectively ignore all frames in these packets, but if there is an AC= K eliciting frame, schedule an ACK.

This removes a bunch of corner cases, such as spurious retransmit of I= nitial packets in the middle of a migration. It also closes an avenue for= DOS against established connections, since Initial packets cannot anymor= e change the state of the connection once the handshake is complete.

Well, not quite all attacks: Initial packets can still trigger an ACK = that might cause an allergic reaction at the peer. But then, the attacker= could also send spoofed ACK in Initial packets directly to the peer, so = this is not exactly a new attack. Plus, if the peer adopts the defenses o= utlined above, the spoofed ACK will have no side effect.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c4e6c75df3bc_62613f94370d45c04089e8-- From nobody Sun Jan 27 19:02:42 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E784130F32 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 19:02:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SJwsPlvkg8h5 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 19:02:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CCC49130F09 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 19:02:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 19:02:37 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548644557; bh=3b7TEJgBwvyhMPSshigj1P11PQRh0HvbPNvNi1+hjj8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=fNGAARq6xUNnd8e2uInhUpQw0b5eXFaHtMK+64KHe3G0yZPh7W/OZdDp3u4y3B/a/ PWiRNb34B6C9rV1rrm1PRG0vxshrT+4KpQEzCupUgArrARIu6z+hFB9jgN3EzKGGHR mmNPVS5JkmjPoFm1xuomQcwq9dNLhtexsAEj3xMw= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Is it OK to place retransmitted frames at the end of the queue? (#2374) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c4e70cd9daf8_45da3fc4578d45b8113704f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 03:02:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c4e70cd9daf8_45da3fc4578d45b8113704f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We had an interesting interop issue yesterday between Picoquic and Quinn. Summary: * we were testing NAT rebinding. A bunch of packets in transit were lost during the rebinding. * the version of Quinn tested yesterday had already queued a bunch of data frames in the normal order. It noticed the losses, and placed the frames to be retransmitted "at the end of the queue". * Picoquic delivers stream data in order to the app. It received the frames from Quinn and queued them, waiting for the retransmitted frames to fill the holes. * Due to an unrelated bug, the transmission was really slow. Picoquic found that 10 seconds passed without making any progress, since no data was passed to the application, and closed the connection. When discussing the issue, we raised a bunch of points: 1) Quinn was complying with the letter of the spec. The data frames were within the range allowed by MAX DATA and MAX STREAM DATA. 2) The combination of slow transmission and piling a lot of frames for reordering looks a lot like one of the "slow Loris" attacks, which explains why Picoquic complained. 3) Picoquic could have forced in order delivery by using small flow control windows. But then, small windows have a tendency to cause stalls, so I don't think that using flow control to solve logic issues should be recommended. (There were always enough buffers, so this is not an over commit issue.) 4) The issue only happened because Picoquic enforces "in sequence delivery" of stream data to the app. Quinn implements out of sequence delivery and lets the app reassemble the stream, so it was not a problem in internal tests. But then, the "stream" paradigm is initially designed to emulate a TCP connection, and there are a bunch of apps like video that really want to consume data in order. This was fixed in Quinn by placing the retransmitted frames at the front of the queue. But it seems that there is no text in the spec asking implementations to do that. Should we add it? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2374 ----==_mimepart_5c4e70cd9daf8_45da3fc4578d45b8113704f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

We had an interesting interop issue yesterday between Picoquic and Quinn. Summary:

  • we were testing NAT rebinding. A bunch of packets in transit were lost during the rebinding.

  • the version of Quinn tested yesterday had already queued a bunch of data frames in the normal order. It noticed the losses, and placed the frames to be retransmitted "at the end of the queue".

  • Picoquic delivers stream data in order to the app. It received the frames from Quinn and queued them, waiting for the retransmitted frames to fill the holes.

  • Due to an unrelated bug, the transmission was really slow. Picoquic found that 10 seconds passed without making any progress, since no data was passed to the application, and closed the connection.

When discussing the issue, we raised a bunch of points:

  1. Quinn was complying with the letter of the spec. The data frames were within the range allowed by MAX DATA and MAX STREAM DATA.

  2. The combination of slow transmission and piling a lot of frames for reordering looks a lot like one of the "slow Loris" attacks, which explains why Picoquic complained.

  3. Picoquic could have forced in order delivery by using small flow control windows. But then, small windows have a tendency to cause stalls, so I don't think that using flow control to solve logic issues should be recommended. (There were always enough buffers, so this is not an over commit issue.)

  4. The issue only happened because Picoquic enforces "in sequence delivery" of stream data to the app. Quinn implements out of sequence delivery and lets the app reassemble the stream, so it was not a problem in internal tests. But then, the "stream" paradigm is initially designed to emulate a TCP connection, and there are a bunch of apps like video that really want to consume data in order.

This was fixed in Quinn by placing the retransmitted frames at the front of the queue. But it seems that there is no text in the spec asking implementations to do that. Should we add it?

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The spec already says<= /a>

Endpoints SHOULD prioritize retransmission of data over sending new da= ta, unless priorities specified by the application indicate otherwise (se= e Section 2.3).

It seems like Quinn is ignoring this advice.

Picoquic found that 10 seconds passed without making any progress, sin= ce no data was passed to the application, and closed the connection.

I think this rule is part of the problem. If there's still data arrivi= ng, there's no need to close the connection.

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CC: @ekr who also asked why it's not just set to the maximum, and wants to remove this requirement I think?

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I read this paragraph to apply only to how the server cancels a push. Once the push stream is created, it would use a RESET_STREAM?

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----==_mimepart_5c4e740579cb9_3b5b3f89664d45c0719755-- From nobody Sun Jan 27 19:19:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD67E130F09 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 19:19:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gVgKeFXsaTfV for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 19:19:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB734130F32 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 19:19:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 19:19:31 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548645571; bh=tfbxY+jY9NinP6FC2C8H6j8HsLUEHvzCQFKIn4o5bbw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=OKPhN3vx0A/QWKJUsRbgSDYi/N1E6YWKVu5YDMo5YIK7AQE48m0k51fge1VkYluyY 4SMFYYFj5odQPF/io7uAtPlLIaIRsajltJPS6CrOgxWMt8mlEMZSz0qz256+4QJ5mf v1yHSVBUJ9Qanb5psxWyeRa/eFhqZJefjPotgO9k= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Stronger migration handshake (#2370) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c4e74c325e0b_6ca23f99eb6d45c494075"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 03:19:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c4e74c325e0b_6ca23f99eb6d45c494075 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kazuho commented on this pull request. > endpoints retaining a stable address for the duration of the handshake. +An endpoint MUST NOT initiate connection migration before the handshake is +finished for it and its peer and the endpoint has 1-RTT keys. This means +that the server MUST NOT initiate connection migration before it has +received at least one 1-RTT data from the client, and the client +MUST NOT initiate connection migration before receiving +acknowledgement by the server of at least one of its +1-RTT messages. @huitema > I really don't like the CRYPTO frames reference. There is no FIN mark on the crypto stream, and the QUIC engine proper does not know when "all crypto frames" have been received. I was careful to use signals that the transport stack understand: obtaining keys, receiving packets, etc. I am not sure if I agree with the observation. The requirement (i.e. "has both received and acknowledged all CRYPTO frames for that encryption level and when all CRYPTO frames for that encryption level have been acknowledged by its peer") can be implement as checking that 1-RTT read key is available and that the send buffer of CRYPTO frames in Handshake epoch is empty. Anyways, I think using different events for starting the handshake key drop timer and permitting migration is an unnecessary complexity. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2370#discussion_r251274234 ----==_mimepart_5c4e74c325e0b_6ca23f99eb6d45c494075 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  endpoints retaining a stable address for the duration of the handshake.
+An endpoint MUST NOT initiate connection migration before the handshake is
+finished for it and its peer and the endpoint has 1-RTT keys. This means
+that the server MUST NOT initiate connection migration before it has
+received at least one 1-RTT data from the client, and the client 
+MUST NOT initiate connection migration before receiving 
+acknowledgement by the server of at least one of its
+1-RTT messages.

@huitema

I really don't like the CRYPTO frames reference. There is no FIN mark on the crypto stream, and the QUIC engine proper does not know when "all crypto frames" have been received. I was careful to use signals that the transport stack understand: obtaining keys, receiving packets, etc.

I am not sure if I agree with the observation. The requirement (i.e. "has both received and acknowledged all CRYPTO frames for that encryption level and when all CRYPTO frames for that encryption level have been acknowledged by its peer") can be implement as checking that 1-RTT read key is available and that the send buffer of CRYPTO frames in Handshake epoch is empty.

Anyways, I think using different events for starting the handshake key drop timer and permitting migration is an unnecessary complexity.

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Does making it non ACK-eliciting imply that we would no longer be allowed to bundle other types of frame in a path probing packet?

I think I am fine with that, but I would like to confirm what the impact is.

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@marten-seemann yes, that's a potential issue. The clients that I see in test seem to always send something in practice, but that's not guaranteed. "ACK of the CFIN" would do it, which I guess is also what Kazuho suggested. Suggested text?

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@huitema commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  endpoints retaining a stable address for the duration of the handshake.
+An endpoint MUST NOT initiate connection migration before the handshake is
+finished for it and its peer and the endpoint has 1-RTT keys. This means
+that the server MUST NOT initiate connection migration before it has
+received at least one 1-RTT data from the client, and the client 
+MUST NOT initiate connection migration before receiving 
+acknowledgement by the server of at least one of its
+1-RTT messages.

@kazuho "Anyways, I think using different events for starting the handshake key drop timer and permitting migration is an unnecessary complexity." I agree. I think there should be a "when is handshake complete" section specifying that, and we can reference it in places like dropping key, starting migration, or starting key rotations.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -253,7 +253,16 @@ received.
 Each header block contains a Required Insert Count, the lowest possible value
 for the Insert Count with which the header block can be decoded. For a header
 block with no references to the dynamic table, the Required Insert Count is
-zero.
+zero.  For a header block with references to the dynamic table, the Required

Maybe move this one sentence earlier, where RIC is defined?

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -253,7 +253,16 @@ received.
 Each header block contains a Required Insert Count, the lowest possible value
 for the Insert Count with which the header block can be decoded. For a header
 block with no references to the dynamic table, the Required Insert Count is
-zero.
+zero.  For a header block with references to the dynamic table, the Required
+Insert Count is one larger than the largest Absolute Index of all referenced
+dynamic table entries.
+
+If the decoder encounters a header block with a Required Insert Count value
+larger than defined here, it MAY treat this as a stream error of type

Maybe 'defined above'?

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  
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-   EncodedInsertCount = (ReqInsertCount mod (2 * MaxEntries)) + 1
+   if ReqInsertCount == 0:
+      EncodedInsertCount = 0

nit: is the spacing identical in the if and else branches?

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One potential thought: anything else that you bundle that would be ack= -eliciting should also be considered an immediate migration and would cau= se the ack to come back on the new path, which means there's no issue. I think the new requirement would be: any frames considered probing packe= ts that don't trigger migration should also be non ack-eliciting.

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I think the issue is if we want probing packet to not be ACK-eliciting= .

If the answer is yes, then we should consider what to do with other ty= pes of frames that are allowed to be included in a path probing packet: i= .e., PATH_RESPONSE, NEW_CONNECTION_ID. I'd assume that we at least want N= EW_CONNECTION_ID frame to be ACK-eliciting.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c4e8b6a5fe09_1f23fc4de2d45b4463196-- From nobody Sun Jan 27 21:03:37 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D30F130FA2 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 21:03:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lfRB2HiQneP1 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 21:03:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E6BD0130FA8 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 21:03:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 21:03:33 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548651813; bh=eIccXUaLx+bKlgMU56SEGrYPItnFifGDPmaqFhl6wGo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=LQkqZZaaAX6IM61qJ49pWEJbXrwCt2rpOtR5YNA07aTuozFKRZGR4YyCQN3k6X0HF mHcPMK7Kp1PBe4+OO4SPWQgwEeyCLgMi3fa+8nhUlmf+bl4BLODT4ztKEvLf/AN4HA RSgvRvN/b0R9pF0n7NZfnCS+QcFPcrEA/61ixI6g= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] loss of only two packets can lead to an unrecoverable situation (#2267) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c4e8d2575d_7c843fa24f6d45bc1117695"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 05:03:36 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c4e8d2575d_7c843fa24f6d45bc1117695 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @marten-seemann > I think the cleanest solution here is making the server send a HANDSHAKE_DONE frame in 1-RTT once the handshake is complete. At this point, it can immediately drop the Handshake keys. That's much more aggressive than what is required now. At the moment, we keep the handshake keys 3 PTO after the client learns that all the handshake data have been received by the server (see https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2267#issuecomment-455036849). I think it makes sense to use a 3 PTO timer to avoid having negative side-effects to the congestion controller, and I do not understand why we need an explicit signal (Handshake_Done). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2267#issuecomment-457999885 ----==_mimepart_5c4e8d2575d_7c843fa24f6d45bc1117695 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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I think the cleanest solution here is making the server send a HANDSHA= KE_DONE frame in 1-RTT once the handshake is complete. At this point, it = can immediately drop the Handshake keys.

That's much more aggressive than what is required now.

At the moment, we keep the handshake keys 3 PTO after the client learn= s that all the handshake data have been received by the server (see
#2267 (comment)).

I think it makes sense to use a 3 PTO timer to avoid having negative s= ide-effects to the congestion controller, and I do not understand why we = need an explicit signal (Handshake_Done).

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@marten-seemann 3 PTO is not going to defend the server here, because an attacker can control the value. It can delay the Initial packets that it sends (carrying ACKs) so that PTO becomes huge.

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Good point, I misread the existing text. I'd like this section to be a bit clearer, but I don't have any concrete suggestions at the moment.

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Closed #2373.

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My vote would be to have an explicit signal instead of a timer based solution. The loss recovery / congestion controller could use the exact same signal to fix any necessary state. I like the Handshake Done solution.

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----==_mimepart_5c4e8e4d3fcad_11753fa24f6d45bc1874936-- From nobody Sun Jan 27 21:11:16 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 609A2130FA6 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 21:11:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.935 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8uKuIifvGIEz for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 21:11:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E9AB0130FA3 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 21:11:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 21:11:12 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548652272; bh=KLFyINeNvyfXELdZpEfEAVuSm55KpEgrKozLmiQbvuI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=gfvkZciEX63ehS3Mj4QrP34WGoUt6Ehcc2Pp/9IvSV/dHNdKFrnBsTUfProcPSzmS 4cK7yBdyyGN+QgWojwLBb2NzjucPhO3LQzLqTo5frxnY01rI/SSmZXad84zTHfOrqN axDNPToy9uh89k0NPmp1nd4oAmPhWgOlM9DKYiaY= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Is it OK to place retransmitted frames at the end of the queue? (#2374) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c4e8ef0457c8_6dc83fc4578d45b812594a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 05:11:15 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c4e8ef0457c8_6dc83fc4578d45b812594a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for finding that @marten-seemann. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2374#issuecomment-458000836 ----==_mimepart_5c4e8ef0457c8_6dc83fc4578d45b812594a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Thanks for finding that @marten-seemann.

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Closed #2374.

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Also, CI failed because the line is too long

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@martinthomson: do you feel like the PR expresses those ideas clearly enough or you think it needs more polish?

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Per @larseggert to discuss if the WG can/would adopt the draft for Disabling PNE in DC environment.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/pull/101

Commit Summary

  • Addition to "As Time Permits" for Disabling PNE

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At the moment, we keep the handshake keys 3 PTO after the client learn= s that all the handshake data have been received by the server (see #2267 (comment)).

See #2267 (comment) why that doesn't work.

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I'm going to close this, because the intent is to move the ACK sending logic into the transport doc, and the transport doc doesn't have pseudocode.

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Spec says:

When crypto packets are in flight, the probe timer (Section 6.2.2) is not active.

Does this mean that during a key update we also disable PTO? What's the reason for doing so?

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We now have the terms in-flight and ack-eliciting. I believe both are used correctly and so the issues you pointed out are fixed.

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If I understand correctly, the server switches to 1-RTT right after re= ceiving the Client Initial, doesn't it? That means that PTO will have its= initial value, and not be client-controlled.
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Crypto packets are defined as:

Crypto Packets:
Packets containing CRYPTO data sent in Initial or Handshake packets.

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----==_mimepart_5c4e96ede3099_40f53f871e0d45b41221722-- From nobody Sun Jan 27 21:45:36 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ED23130FA3 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 21:45:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IKki4hD0sjIE for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 21:45:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 40C3D12DF72 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 21:45:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 21:45:32 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548654332; bh=qEaz4YhV0Q+EZBH9aQeAjESYkspY97bkW+21159gJIU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=eD1HK6pL///4O9yX2fSBAitg64SBH94quujNDNmWrTSOAFJvwx34z4sO1NU6gHF5M piie0I2vkeuS+NpwxaKNXat4kLs1ncqnijHogdm2lvIj1s49GzlWo461SOVsEOHMv2 ow990VFlrAki4Vse9G2kh6QWkbWdIXK4E+ai6MW8= From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Discuss Application-Limited Sending (#1637) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c4e96fc70a7b_7af83f871e0d45b41430d5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 05:45:35 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c4e96fc70a7b_7af83f871e0d45b41430d5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit janaiyengar commented on this pull request. > @@ -1047,6 +1045,19 @@ paces the sending of any packets in excess of the initial congestion window. A sender MAY implement alternate mechanisms to update its congestion window after idle periods, such as those proposed for TCP in {{?RFC7661}}. +## Application Limited Sending + +The congestion window should not be increased in slow start or congestion +avoidance when it is not fully utilized. The congestion window could be +under-utilized due to insufficient application data to send or flow control ```suggestion under-utilized due to insufficient application data or flow control credit. ``` > @@ -1047,6 +1045,19 @@ paces the sending of any packets in excess of the initial congestion window. A sender MAY implement alternate mechanisms to update its congestion window after idle periods, such as those proposed for TCP in {{?RFC7661}}. +## Application Limited Sending + +The congestion window should not be increased in slow start or congestion +avoidance when it is not fully utilized. The congestion window could be +under-utilized due to insufficient application data to send or flow control +limits. ```suggestion ``` > @@ -1047,6 +1045,19 @@ paces the sending of any packets in excess of the initial congestion window. A sender MAY implement alternate mechanisms to update its congestion window after idle periods, such as those proposed for TCP in {{?RFC7661}}. +## Application Limited Sending + +The congestion window should not be increased in slow start or congestion +avoidance when it is not fully utilized. The congestion window could be +under-utilized due to insufficient application data to send or flow control +limits. + +When the sender is pacing (see {{pacing}}) packets, the sender may be unable +to use the full congestion window for a period of time after receiving +acknowledgements, due to pacing. In this case, the sender should not consider +themselves application limited and should allow the congestion window to +increase. Suggested rephrasing: "A sender that uses pacing (see {{pacing}}) might delay sending of packets and might not fully utilize the congestion window due to this delay. A sender should not consider itself application limited if it might have utilized the entire congestion window without pacing delay." "When the sender paces packets (see {{pacing}}), it might not send to use the full congestion window for a period of time after receiving acknowledgements, due to pacing. In this case, the sender should not consider themselves application limited and should allow the congestion window to increase." -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1637#pullrequestreview-196879726 ----==_mimepart_5c4e96fc70a7b_7af83f871e0d45b41430d5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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+acknowledgements, due to pacing.  In this case, the sender should not co=
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Okay, that makes more sense.

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@martinthomson and I believe this is now fixed with #2045 and various follow-ups.

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----==_mimepart_5c4e970448857_4b0c3fcbb3ed45b81083969-- From nobody Sun Jan 27 21:47:32 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14D79130F2F for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 21:47:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.935 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jXiKugg5tokG for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 21:47:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4313A12DF72 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 21:47:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 21:47:28 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548654448; bh=HY/nnFXjg+PncGaYHFDcnYWCF5l7R7oODmU26PRfXb4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=pVJ6/HNRqHM8KcLXf+DcIsqzK5JflnZmhctNqPzlmxnFrXlAowfHk1Q9gD3oQMVPR +/JeVgFQainmAdqTO21reFH+kP3BQIldiOULCDT3l/ux8G7q3fk8SHn34tthkBbXI8 q5t8NEDOLDcQ6v6Yd7sFV06iptf2nKzS3GjvDgfI= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Explain or reference key acronyms in recovery (RTT, RTO, SRTT, ...) (#2079) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c4e97708679e_91e3f86d40d45b8213443"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 05:47:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c4e97708679e_91e3f86d40d45b8213443 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I fixed defined RTT earlier in #2362. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2079#issuecomment-458005719 ----==_mimepart_5c4e97708679e_91e3f86d40d45b8213443 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I fixed defined RTT earlier in #2362.

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Fixes #2079

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Saying "SHOULD" attempt to validate seems weak. Why isn't this a MUST? This is the weakest of these changes, I think. 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If I understand correctly, the server switches to 1-RTT right after re= ceiving the Client Initial, doesn't it? That means that PTO will have its= initial value, and not be client-controlled.

In the scenario that we are discussing (yeah the thread is getting lon= g), the attacker sends the Initial packet that contains an ACK to the ser= ver's Initial. That means that if an attacker can for example send the AC= K after 3 seconds (3 seconds of RTO!) to have an open window of additiona= l 9 seconds to perform an attack.

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@martinthomson asked me to discuss here. There's no reason why clients shouldn't be able to just try QUIC with any server (a la Happy Eyeballs) without alt-svc.

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----==_mimepart_5c4ea2a6f0384_12843f89664d45c01062429-- From nobody Sun Jan 27 22:38:07 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7B83130FA3 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 22:38:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.552 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.552 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, WEIRD_PORT=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2ODatP8ljVrI for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 22:38:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 52C1212896A for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 22:38:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 22:38:03 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548657483; bh=Y1Xr/khZssjuQ+1kvjMA5ymXXbx+QEughjbdI6OI+qo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=uqUU94yR39cdmADkvbFDzFyJRpHzpg7NaOSybteMc2eEGxn9SL6KrgC7RK5EaT4O1 VuEmYsDV420IXnbP1VIWG2CRWo3px8xfvUg9YyjQt7TunMqvDqEMMgX94qs9DTMrAZ U6lIWMbS+P3QnjpsR00JUBTgxVNICRuqtguReJrE= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP/QUIC without Alt-Svc? (#253) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c4ea34b56048_3eae3fc1e2ed45c0267975"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 06:38:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c4ea34b56048_3eae3fc1e2ed45c0267975 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit By that logic, why can't you just try https:// for any http:// URL, or try https://host:443/ if connecting to https://host:8443/ fails? An origin specifies a scheme, protocol, and port; scheme by definition bundles a transport protocol. If you change any of those, you're talking to a different origin. Alt-Svc provides a mechanism for an origin to bless a different endpoint as being co-authoritative for that origin, and that's what H3 does currently. Lacking an Alt-Svc delegation, you're talking to a different origin. Now, if we chose to go update the definition of the "http" and "https" schemes to specify either/both transport protocols, we could perhaps do so; while it stretches the spirit of RFC 3986, that doesn't *exactly* say that it can specify only one transport protocol. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/253#issuecomment-458014085 ----==_mimepart_5c4ea34b56048_3eae3fc1e2ed45c0267975 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

By that logic, why can't you just try https:// for any http:// URL, or= try https://host:443/= if connecting to https:/= /host:8443/ fails? An origin specifies a scheme, protocol, and port;= scheme by definition bundles a transport protocol. If you change any of= those, you're talking to a different origin. Alt-Svc provides a mechani= sm for an origin to bless a different endpoint as being co-authoritative = for that origin, and that's what H3 does currently. Lacking an Alt-Svc d= elegation, you're talking to a different origin.

Now, if we chose to go update the definition of the "http" and "https"= schemes to specify either/both transport protocols, we could perhaps do = so; while it stretches the spirit of RFC 3986, that doesn't exactly say that it can specify only one transport protocol.

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And that=E2=80=99s why we=C2=A0should use UDP=C2=A0port=C2=A0443 for=C2= =A0HTTP/QUIC (as=C2=A0QUIC uses portions of=C2=A0TLS to do the encryption= , and so HTTP/QUIC is=C2=A0HTTPS over=C2=A0UDP, which is&nbsp:what UD= P=C2=A0port=C2=A0443 is=C2=A0for).

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----==_mimepart_5c4ea532a3966_6ecb3ff1d66d45b88642af-- From nobody Sun Jan 27 22:48:20 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EE6E130FA5 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 22:48:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b00l677hEVqO for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 22:48:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E18F12896A for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 22:48:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 22:48:16 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548658096; bh=cuWaB6DQkrV0RYmhki7QXb6gDftlPtDMscNfRFkoWAE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=oCznJY9MnHhf6xwuxtlwRV2EJ5NI4rT4AVfzvX1i7RxaWcdw9v7gjd8mx8y9X68fj mqxQ8A6X5gC3Nvc6I53NIeSs9MSUk90V+hBSzzuVqyXlP1R+P9w/Y6xW85k+WdIJ2T L4J4c7sqkuDexclO/3aBSmvRYhbysD/XwxTP6paA= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] loss of only two packets can lead to an unrecoverable situation (#2267) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c4ea5b04a36d_72f3fc4578d45b8269834"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 06:48:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c4ea5b04a36d_72f3fc4578d45b8269834 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @marten-seemann I disagree, as I have stated in https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2267#issuecomment-451844018. Current design guarantees that both endpoints will have 1-RTT read and write keys 3-PTO before the handshake keys are dropped (I think we can agree on this). It seems to me that you consider loss of an ACK for a Handshake packet should lead to the termination of the connection. Would you mind clarifying why? Because I do not think that's necessary. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2267#issuecomment-458015764 ----==_mimepart_5c4ea5b04a36d_72f3fc4578d45b8269834 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@marten-seemann I disagree, as I have stated in
#2267 (comment).

Current design guarantees that both endpoints will have 1-RTT read and= write keys 3-PTO before the handshake keys are dropped (I think we can a= gree on this).

It seems to me that you consider loss of an ACK for a Handshake packet= should lead to the termination of the connection. Would you mind clarify= ing why? Because I do not think that's necessary.

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Current design guarantees that both endpoints will have 1-RTT read and= write keys 3-PTO before the handshake keys are dropped (I think we can a= gree on this).

Both endpoints have the 1-RTT keys, but the client doesn't know that t= he server has them, since the ACK for the CFIN was lost. For the client, = this situation is indistinguishable from the CFIN itself being lost, so i= t has to keep retransmitting it.

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An endpoint MAY treat the receipt of a frame type that uses a longer encoding than necessary as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. +## Latency Spin Bit {#spin-bit} + +The latency spin bit enables passive latency monitoring from observation points +on the network path throughout the duration of a connection. The spin bit is +only present in the short packet header, since it is possible to measure the +initial RTT of a connection by observing the handshake. Therefore, the spin bit +will appear after version negotiation and connection establishment are +completed. On-path measurement and use of the Latency Spin Bit is further +discussed in {{QUIC-MANAGEABILITY}}. + +The spin bit utilizes a single bit in the first byte of the short header. The the word "utilizes" is banned from this document ```suggestion The spin bit uses a single bit in the first byte of the short header. The ``` > +discussed in {{QUIC-MANAGEABILITY}}. + +The spin bit utilizes a single bit in the first byte of the short header. The +location of the bit and procedures for how to set it by clients and servers are +defined in {{short-header}}. + +Implementations MAY select to not implement the full spin bit functionality. In +that case they are only REQUIRED to implement what is defined for the spin bit +when it is disabled. + +Each endpoint unilaterally decides if the spin bit is enabled or disabled for a +connection. Implementations SHOULD allow administrators of clients and servers +to disable the spin bit either globally or on a per-connection basis. Even when +the spin bit is not disabled by the administrator implementations SHOULD disable +the spin bit on a randomly chosen fraction of connections. However, connections +may be configured to explicitly enable spinning, for example in the case of ```suggestion could be configured to explicitly enable spinning, for example in the case of ``` > + +Each endpoint unilaterally decides if the spin bit is enabled or disabled for a +connection. Implementations SHOULD allow administrators of clients and servers +to disable the spin bit either globally or on a per-connection basis. Even when +the spin bit is not disabled by the administrator implementations SHOULD disable +the spin bit on a randomly chosen fraction of connections. However, connections +may be configured to explicitly enable spinning, for example in the case of +explicit customer support and debugging. +The random selection process SHOULD be designed such that on average the spin +bit is disabled for at least one eighth of network paths. The selection process +should be externally unpredictable but consistent for any given combination of +source and destination address and port. For instance, the implementation might +have a static key which it uses to key a pseudorandom function over these values +and use the output to determine whether to send the spin bit. The selection +process performed at the beginning of the connection SHOULD be applied for all +paths used by the connection. Gah, this last sentence is bad. > @@ -2818,6 +2825,44 @@ encoded as a single byte with the value 0x01. An endpoint MAY treat the receipt of a frame type that uses a longer encoding than necessary as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. +## Latency Spin Bit {#spin-bit} Please move this to a subsection under the Short Header description. > @@ -3948,8 +3993,33 @@ Fixed Bit: Spin Bit (S): -: The sixth bit (0x20) of byte 0 is the Latency Spin Bit, set as described in - {{!SPIN=I-D.ietf-quic-spin-exp}}. +: The third most significant bit (0x20) of byte 0 is the Latency Spin Bit. + +: When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints MAY set the spin bit to any value, Please don't have so many paragraphs nested like this. A forward reference to a section that includes this text would be much better. > @@ -3948,8 +3993,33 @@ Fixed Bit: Spin Bit (S): -: The sixth bit (0x20) of byte 0 is the Latency Spin Bit, set as described in - {{!SPIN=I-D.ietf-quic-spin-exp}}. +: The third most significant bit (0x20) of byte 0 is the Latency Spin Bit. + +: When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints MAY set the spin bit to any value, +and MUST accept any incoming value. It is RECOMMENDED that they +set the spin bit to a random value either chosen independently for each packet, +or chosen independently for each path and kept constant for that path. + +: If the spin bit is enabled for the connection the endpoint maintains a spin ```suggestion : If the spin bit is enabled for the connection, the endpoint maintains a spin ``` > @@ -3948,8 +3993,33 @@ Fixed Bit: Spin Bit (S): -: The sixth bit (0x20) of byte 0 is the Latency Spin Bit, set as described in - {{!SPIN=I-D.ietf-quic-spin-exp}}. +: The third most significant bit (0x20) of byte 0 is the Latency Spin Bit. + +: When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints MAY set the spin bit to any value, +and MUST accept any incoming value. It is RECOMMENDED that they +set the spin bit to a random value either chosen independently for each packet, +or chosen independently for each path and kept constant for that path. + +: If the spin bit is enabled for the connection the endpoint maintains a spin +value, 0 or 1, and sets the spin bit in the short header to the currently stored ```suggestion value and sets the spin bit in the short header to the currently stored ``` > @@ -3997,6 +4067,7 @@ version. See {{QUIC-INVARIANTS}} for details on how packets from different versions of QUIC are interpreted. + ```suggestion ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2364#pullrequestreview-196893254 ----==_mimepart_5c4ea99d86b28_28d83f83fccd45b4144362 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Initial/Handshake packets with CRYPTO frames should not be prevented from being sent my cwnd. I thought we had text to this effect already, but I couldn't find it.

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https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-tls-17#section-4.9

After all CRYPTO frames for a given encryption level have been sent
and all expected CRYPTO frames received, and all the corresponding
acknowledgments have been received or sent, an endpoint starts a
timer.

Once this timer expires, an endpoint MUST NOT either accept or
generate new packets using those packet protection keys. An endpoint
can discard packet protection keys for that encryption level.

Suppose that client Handshake containing client Finished was received by server. server sent its acknowledgement but it was lost.
In this situation, server starts timer (no?)
But client cannot start timer because it did not receive acknowledgement. So client keeps resending Handshake packets. When timer expires on server, it discards key. If client is unlucky, it still cannot get acknowledgement from server and keeps resending but server has already discarded key.
In this situation, when can client discard handshake key?
Should server start timer when it receives acknowledgement for the acknowledgement of client Handshake packet?

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----==_mimepart_5c4eb6bf29a3d_66823fa478ad45c42916189-- From nobody Mon Jan 28 00:06:17 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26427130FC7 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2019 00:06:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_ADSP_NXDOMAIN=0.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZloSEc90UBzC for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2019 00:06:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from m69-170.mailgun.net (m69-170.mailgun.net [166.78.69.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 231A4130FC5 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2019 00:06:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1548662773; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=XmoszPP6mw0cuG+avc2JDMdDeaxSsC4Q/cVAyBei+JQ=; b=MoOvw1cSPDo311kN/88V+EZv3NgKKjbxf4z0gE+GJ3M+EIuYfLAwICR5kVsh0j/hv1JjAhEn zsPR1qt3SmoCkLobMnWJFh5i5/oI5fJ1vUyvk6P3cZDcgm7YB6nO2dXOsBc09aLtEERVog0B 50Pt0ktrdyeJvmUvQrRhZZXzW6Q= X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.69.170 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Sender: afrind=users.noreply.github.com@github.com Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.39]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 5c4eb7f4.7f3b64bca1e0-smtp-out-n02; Mon, 28 Jan 2019 08:06:12 -0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 00:06:12 -0800 From: afrind Reply-To: afrind To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5c4eb7f4ba0e7_59ac2ab95d622578931d9@hookshot-fe-da92815.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] b24b3e: Clarify when to signal error on incorrect Required... 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I renamed 'rounded' to 'MaxWrapped' - it is largest possible value for RequiredInsertCount that is 0 mod 2*MaxEntries. 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This is @mt's alternate algorithm from #1930, and incl= udes some of @bencebeky's language from #2249.

I renamed 'rounded' to 'MaxWrapped' - it is largest possible value for= RequiredInsertCount that is 0 mod 2*MaxEntries.

Fixes #1930=
Fixes #2112

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1202,15 +1205,26 @@ Invoked by loss detection from DetectLostPackets when new packets
 are detected lost.
 
 ~~~
+   InPersistentCongestion(oldest_loss_time):
+     return

This expression is hard to read, I think it's worth breaking it up some.
elapsed_time = Now() - oldest_loss_time
pto = smoothed_rtt + 4 * rttvar + max_ack_delay
return elapsed_time > pto * (2 ^ kPersistentCongestionThreshold - 1)

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -427,16 +427,20 @@ The encoder MUST not set a dynamic table capacity that exceeds this maximum, but
 it can choose to use a lower dynamic table capacity (see
 {{set-dynamic-capacity}}).
 
+For clients using 0-RTT data in HTTP/3, the maximum table capacity is the
+remembered value of the setting. If the remembered value is not present or is 0,
+the server MAY set it to a non-zero value in its SETTINGS frame. If the

I am not sure if allowing server to accept 0-RTT without remembering the table capacity is a good idea, because it might lead to a connection error.

Instead, can we simply forbid the use of 0-RTT unless the server remembers the value (possibly through the use of session ticket)?

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We had a similar discussion in TAPS and our drafts include some discus= sion on transport option gathering and racing (https://ta= ps-api.github.io/drafts/draft-ietf-taps-impl.html).
I like to call this "Happy Eyeballs on Steroids" and the major problem th= at arises from racing between the combinations of multiple IP versions (= v4vs. v6), transports (TLS over TCP vs QUIC over UDP) and access networks= / PvDs (WiFi vs. Wired vs. LTE) is the state explosion you run into if yo= u want to race for all of them. We solve this in TAPS by delaying the rac= ing of less-preferred or less-likely candidates.

In my opinion, do a "Happy Eyeballs on Steroids" racing of HTTP/QUIC a= gainst HTTP/TLS is fine as long as the implementations make sure not to t= ry all combinations on all connection attempts. This can be easily solved= by a combination of caching results results (try QUIC in a race if have= seen an Alt-Svc announcement or is has worked in the past), well-chosen = timings and probabilistic choice of what to probe.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2818,6 +2825,44 @@ encoded as a single byte with the value 0x01.  An endpoint MAY treat the receipt
 of a frame type that uses a longer encoding than necessary as a connection error
 of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.
 
+## Latency Spin Bit {#spin-bit}
+
+The latency spin bit enables passive latency monitoring from observation points
+on the network path throughout the duration of a connection. The spin bit is
+only present in the short packet header, since it is possible to measure the
+initial RTT of a connection by observing the handshake. Therefore, the spin bit
+will appear after version negotiation and connection establishment are
+completed. On-path measurement and use of the Latency Spin Bit is further
+discussed in {{QUIC-MANAGEABILITY}}.
+
+The spin bit utilizes a single bit in the first byte of the short header. The

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In advance of the Tokyo meeting, I came in here to say what @hardi= e said. On review the std/exp question was pretty clearly answered in= BKK.

I personally don't care deeply whether the normative bits of the spin = bit live in -transport or in their own document, though I don't buy the a= rguments for doing so. Addressing @marten-seemann's poin= t: yes, -transport is big (but, after the recent editorial rework, mu= ch easier to navigate, so there's that). #2364 seems t= o weigh in at ~2 old-style pages, so while all efforts to reduce document= size are appreciated, I don't think not adding the spin bit generation l= anguage will make a material difference. Other strictly-optional features= of the transport protocol are not separated out. For example, connection= migration is strictly-speaking optional on the client side, and is far m= ore complicated both technically and editorially, such that a separate do= cument on connection migration might even make the entire set of final do= cuments more usable. But nobody has yet suggested that (and, to make it v= ery clear, I am not suggesting that either).

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@bencebeky commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -427,16 +427,20 @@ The encoder MUST not set a dynamic table capacity that exceeds this maximum, but
 it can choose to use a lower dynamic table capacity (see
 {{set-dynamic-capacity}}).
 
+For clients using 0-RTT data in HTTP/3, the maximum table capacity is the
+remembered value of the setting. If the remembered value is not present or is 0,
+the server MAY set it to a non-zero value in its SETTINGS frame. If the

I agree with @kazuho. If the remember value is "not present" on the server side, but it is on the client side, that can cause a problem.

Also, in my mind "the server MAY set it" and "if [...] omits SETTINGS_QPACK_MAX_TABLE_CAPACITY [...], the encoder MUST treat this as [...] error" are inconsistent.

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I encountered this issue while testing quinn during interop. client kep= t retransmitting Handshake but server had already dropped handshake key. T= he problem is that server starts timer too soon; client has no way to know = that handshake is received by server and it started timer.
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Original transmissions are still blocked by cwnd atm, retransmissions are not blocked on cwnd. Previously this would be done by considering all handshake packets as lost, now in draft 18, you would just retransmit all unacked handshake packets

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I think like Marcus that the normative text should be in the transport document. It is a short text and this way it will be clearer to the reader.

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@martinthomson that would be issue #2309

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Why should original transmissions be blocked? On the server side, you have the 3x amplification logic, but I view that as separate from CC. Once the client's IP has been validated, then you have no restrictions. On the client, I don't see any reason to restrict it at all.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1202,15 +1205,26 @@ Invoked by loss detection from DetectLostPackets when new packets
 are detected lost.
 
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+   InPersistentCongestion(oldest_loss_time):
+     return

Sure. I can do that.

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In most cases, even with 0-RTT responses, you'd send the crypto data b= efore 1-RTT data, so the crypto data wouldn't be blocked by congestion co= ntrol.

I think the interesting case is what if the crypto data is large(ie: &= gt;IW10)? It seems like congestion control should probably apply there?<= /p>

gQUIC did ensure crypto packets were never blocked by congestion contr= ol, so I suspect this was in the docs early on, but has subsequently remo= ved. I suspect it was rarely if ever a practical issue in our implementa= tion, but it is a bit easier to reason about if CRYPTO frames are always = sent immediately.

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I think it makes sense to fix #2255 with this PR as well?

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Why is the build failing?

1211: Line is 73 characters; limit is 65
     return elapsed_time > pto * (2 ^ kPersistentCongestionThreshold -=
 1)

I though the limit was 80 characters?

Also, @ianswett what exactly do you want to add to fix #2255? Perhaps we could just have a separate PR for that?

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I think the pseudocode is good, but I have some suggestions on the text. > @@ -1003,15 +1003,21 @@ packets might cause the sender's bytes in flight to exceed the congestion window until an acknowledgement is received that establishes loss or delivery of packets. -When an ACK frame is received that establishes loss of all in-flight packets -sent prior to a threshold number of consecutive PTOs (pto_count is more than -kPersistentCongestionThreshold, see {{cc-consts-of-interest}}), the network is -considered to be experiencing persistent congestion, and the sender's congestion -window MUST be reduced to the minimum congestion window (kMinimumWindow). This -response of collapsing the congestion window on persistent congestion is -functionally similar to a sender's response on a Retransmission Timeout (RTO) in -TCP {{RFC5681}}. - +## Persistent Congestion + +The network is considered to be experiencing persistent congestion when the The old text was more correct than this text in the sense that it's important that not only does time pass, but all the packets are lost within that period of time. How about: "When an ACK frame is received that establishes loss of all in-flight packets sent over a long enough period of time, the network is considered to be experiencing persistent congestion." > -window MUST be reduced to the minimum congestion window (kMinimumWindow). This -response of collapsing the congestion window on persistent congestion is -functionally similar to a sender's response on a Retransmission Timeout (RTO) in -TCP {{RFC5681}}. - +## Persistent Congestion + +The network is considered to be experiencing persistent congestion when the +sender goes a period of time without receiving any ACK frames for its in-flight, +ack-eliciting packets. Generally, this can be calculated as a number of +consecutive PTOs (pto_count is more than kPersistentCongestionThreshold, see +{{cc-consts-of-interest}}), but since the PTO timer is reset when a new +ack-eliciting packet is sent, an explicit timeout must be used to account for +those cases where PTOs do not occur. + +When persistent congestion is encountered the sender's congestion window MUST be ```suggestion When persistent congestion is established, the sender's congestion window MUST be ``` > @@ -1003,15 +1003,21 @@ packets might cause the sender's bytes in flight to exceed the congestion window until an acknowledgement is received that establishes loss or delivery of packets. -When an ACK frame is received that establishes loss of all in-flight packets -sent prior to a threshold number of consecutive PTOs (pto_count is more than -kPersistentCongestionThreshold, see {{cc-consts-of-interest}}), the network is -considered to be experiencing persistent congestion, and the sender's congestion -window MUST be reduced to the minimum congestion window (kMinimumWindow). This -response of collapsing the congestion window on persistent congestion is -functionally similar to a sender's response on a Retransmission Timeout (RTO) in -TCP {{RFC5681}}. - +## Persistent Congestion + +The network is considered to be experiencing persistent congestion when the +sender goes a period of time without receiving any ACK frames for its in-flight, +ack-eliciting packets. Generally, this can be calculated as a number of Suggestion: replace "Generally, this can be calculated as a number of consecutive PTOs (),..." with "Commonly, this can be established by consecutive PTOs,..." -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2365#pullrequestreview-197306266 ----==_mimepart_5c4f9106c21d9_79b33fb235ed45b41288a2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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#2255 should only need the pseudocode fixed up, so your current PR should be sufficient once the text is in good shape.

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----==_mimepart_5c4f914fd3640_6603f88560d45bc1315ad-- From nobody Mon Jan 28 15:38:23 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D473A13125A for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2019 15:38:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15P20ZUj3j3i for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2019 15:38:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3DBF5131257 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2019 15:38:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 15:38:10 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548718690; bh=wTHp+W/43hhEeBzRcTI3HlsO9Iz3odjJMqkszot8ywM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=f1XTFiUFurjsEtQQuwmEfhEn1iC9Vt/1ztiF/az3gP9wMNz8d0dNwODHC7604h+Jv 7he7mPpCNhUAJ//oSFNktGYTU4zC/B64xEZKSvq3WHVzQOS8bmymHUZzL/ZDlWGzUM 6Jv6CcUmv2N5MmzCkOX+2xXM8U1MBv+PkfxZpWZw= From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Persistent Congestion Time Threshold (#2365) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c4f92626837_792b3fd2974d45b449851"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 23:38:21 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c4f92626837_792b3fd2974d45b449851 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nibanks commented on this pull request. > @@ -1003,15 +1003,21 @@ packets might cause the sender's bytes in flight to exceed the congestion window until an acknowledgement is received that establishes loss or delivery of packets. -When an ACK frame is received that establishes loss of all in-flight packets -sent prior to a threshold number of consecutive PTOs (pto_count is more than -kPersistentCongestionThreshold, see {{cc-consts-of-interest}}), the network is -considered to be experiencing persistent congestion, and the sender's congestion -window MUST be reduced to the minimum congestion window (kMinimumWindow). This -response of collapsing the congestion window on persistent congestion is -functionally similar to a sender's response on a Retransmission Timeout (RTO) in -TCP {{RFC5681}}. - +## Persistent Congestion + +The network is considered to be experiencing persistent congestion when the For your suggestion, do you really need the word "all" in there. To me, the loss of any in-flight packets over a long enough time seems to be the requirement (at least how we have the pseudocode). It think the removal the word "all" might be better. Other than that, I am fine with making the change. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2365#discussion_r251639439 ----==_mimepart_5c4f92626837_792b3fd2974d45b449851 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1003,15 +1003,21 @@ packets might cause the sender's bytes in flight to exceed the congestion window
 until an acknowledgement is received that establishes loss or delivery of
 packets.
 
-When an ACK frame is received that establishes loss of all in-flight packets
-sent prior to a threshold number of consecutive PTOs (pto_count is more than
-kPersistentCongestionThreshold, see {{cc-consts-of-interest}}), the network is
-considered to be experiencing persistent congestion, and the sender's congestion
-window MUST be reduced to the minimum congestion window (kMinimumWindow).  This
-response of collapsing the congestion window on persistent congestion is
-functionally similar to a sender's response on a Retransmission Timeout (RTO) in
-TCP {{RFC5681}}.
-
+## Persistent Congestion
+
+The network is considered to be experiencing persistent congestion when the

For your suggestion, do you really need the word "all" in there. To me, the loss of any in-flight packets over a long enough time seems to be the requirement (at least how we have the pseudocode). It think the removal the word "all" might be better. Other than that, I am fine with making the change.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1003,15 +1003,21 @@ packets might cause the sender's bytes in flight to exceed the congestion window
 until an acknowledgement is received that establishes loss or delivery of
 packets.
 
-When an ACK frame is received that establishes loss of all in-flight packets
-sent prior to a threshold number of consecutive PTOs (pto_count is more than
-kPersistentCongestionThreshold, see {{cc-consts-of-interest}}), the network is
-considered to be experiencing persistent congestion, and the sender's congestion
-window MUST be reduced to the minimum congestion window (kMinimumWindow).  This
-response of collapsing the congestion window on persistent congestion is
-functionally similar to a sender's response on a Retransmission Timeout (RTO) in
-TCP {{RFC5681}}.
-
+## Persistent Congestion
+
+The network is considered to be experiencing persistent congestion when the

It has to be all packets lost within that period of time(ie: total blackout). And now that you mention it, that means the pseudocode isn't quite right either.

As #2255 details, the goal is to be consistent with the previous behavior in terms of when persistent congestion would be established.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>     OnPacketsLost(lost_packets):
      // Remove lost packets from bytes_in_flight.
      for (lost_packet : lost_packets):
        bytes_in_flight -= lost_packet.size
+     smallest_lost_packet = lost_packets.first()
      largest_lost_packet = lost_packets.last()

Slight tangent to this PR: what do folks think about changing these variables to oldest_lost_packet and newest_lost_packet?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>     OnPacketsLost(lost_packets):
      // Remove lost packets from bytes_in_flight.
      for (lost_packet : lost_packets):
        bytes_in_flight -= lost_packet.size
+     smallest_lost_packet = lost_packets.first()
      largest_lost_packet = lost_packets.last()

I don't have a strong preference either way.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1003,15 +1003,21 @@ packets might cause the sender's bytes in flight to exceed the congestion window
 until an acknowledgement is received that establishes loss or delivery of
 packets.
 
-When an ACK frame is received that establishes loss of all in-flight packets
-sent prior to a threshold number of consecutive PTOs (pto_count is more than
-kPersistentCongestionThreshold, see {{cc-consts-of-interest}}), the network is
-considered to be experiencing persistent congestion, and the sender's congestion
-window MUST be reduced to the minimum congestion window (kMinimumWindow).  This
-response of collapsing the congestion window on persistent congestion is
-functionally similar to a sender's response on a Retransmission Timeout (RTO) in
-TCP {{RFC5681}}.
-
+## Persistent Congestion
+
+The network is considered to be experiencing persistent congestion when the

I'm not sure how we'd update the pseudocode to indicate loss of all packets. I'd have to think a bit more about it.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> -
-      if CurrentWrapped >= InsertCount + MaxEntries:
-         # Insert Count wrapped around 1 extra time
-         ReqInsertCount += 2 * MaxEntries
-      else if CurrentWrapped + MaxEntries < InsertCount:
-         # Decoder wrapped around 1 extra time
-         CurrentWrapped += 2 * MaxEntries
-
-      ReqInsertCount += TotalNumberOfInserts - CurrentWrapped
+      MaxValue = TotalNumberOfInserts + MaxEntries
+      # MaxWrapped is the largest possible value of
+      # ReqInsertCount that is 0 mod 2*MaxEntries
+      MaxWrapped = floor(MaxValue / FullRange) * FullRange
+      ReqInsertCount = MaxWrapped + EncodedInsertCount - 1
+      if ReqInsertCount > MaxValue:
+         # The Encoder's value wrapped one fewer time

This comment looks like it is attached to the next if statement rather than being an explanation of what the outer if statement is. Maybe move it above the first if and say "# If this exceeds the maximum possible value, the encoder must have wrapped one fewer time" or something along those lines.

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This seems to change the way we do RTO verification in a fundamental way: Currently, we only collapse the congestion window when we receive an ACK that actually establishes loss of the probe packets.
This PR changes this behavior, since InPersistentCongestion is called from OnPacketsLost, which is also called from OnLossDetectionTimeout, i.e. without receiving any ACK.

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@nibanks I think the reason we call DetectLostPackets from OnLossDetectionTimeout is in order for Early Retransmit to work. We might need some more code refactoring here to achieve the desired behavior. Let's discuss this with @janaiyengar.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -454,10 +456,9 @@ a subsequent connection attempt to the server.
 
 When packet protection keys are discarded (see Section 4.9 of {{QUIC-TLS}}), all
 packets that were sent with those keys can no longer be acknowledged because
-their acknowledgements cannot be processed anymore. The sender considers them no
-longer in flight. That is, the sender SHOULD discard all recovery state
-associated with those packets and MUST remove them from the count of bytes in
-flight.
+their acknowledgements cannot be processed anymore. The sender SHOULD discard
+all recovery state associated with those packets and MUST remove them from

Why is one a SHOULD and the other a MUST?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -454,10 +456,9 @@ a subsequent connection attempt to the server.
 
 When packet protection keys are discarded (see Section 4.9 of {{QUIC-TLS}}), all
 packets that were sent with those keys can no longer be acknowledged because
-their acknowledgements cannot be processed anymore. The sender considers them no
-longer in flight. That is, the sender SHOULD discard all recovery state
-associated with those packets and MUST remove them from the count of bytes in
-flight.
+their acknowledgements cannot be processed anymore. The sender SHOULD discard
+all recovery state associated with those packets and MUST remove them from

Maybe the thought is one could not actually discard the state but instead garbage collect it at a convenient time?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -454,10 +456,9 @@ a subsequent connection attempt to the server.
 
 When packet protection keys are discarded (see Section 4.9 of {{QUIC-TLS}}), all
 packets that were sent with those keys can no longer be acknowledged because
-their acknowledgements cannot be processed anymore. The sender considers them no
-longer in flight. That is, the sender SHOULD discard all recovery state
-associated with those packets and MUST remove them from the count of bytes in
-flight.
+their acknowledgements cannot be processed anymore. The sender SHOULD discard
+all recovery state associated with those packets and MUST remove them from

To me having a SHOULD implies that I could also keep the state and act on it.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -427,16 +427,20 @@ The encoder MUST not set a dynamic table capacity that exceeds this maximum, but
 it can choose to use a lower dynamic table capacity (see
 {{set-dynamic-capacity}}).
 
+For clients using 0-RTT data in HTTP/3, the maximum table capacity is the
+remembered value of the setting. If the remembered value is not present or is 0,
+the server MAY set it to a non-zero value in its SETTINGS frame. If the

I was thinking of a case where the client was attempting 0-RTT from a session which never set SETTINGS_QPACK_MAX_TABLE_CAPACITY (leveraging the default, which is 0), rather than a case where the server had sent one but can't remember.

The 'MAY' refers to when 0-RTT is resumed using 0 or None (implying 0, the default), where the 'MUST treat as error' refers to when 0-RTT is resumed with non-zero.

But if I confused both of you, then the text needs work.

For clients using 0-RTT data in HTTP/3, the server's maximum table capacity is the
remembered value of the setting, or 0 if the setting was not previously sent. When the client's 0-RTT value of the setting is 0, the server MAY...

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -454,10 +456,9 @@ a subsequent connection attempt to the server.
 
 When packet protection keys are discarded (see Section 4.9 of {{QUIC-TLS}}), all
 packets that were sent with those keys can no longer be acknowledged because
-their acknowledgements cannot be processed anymore. The sender considers them no
-longer in flight. That is, the sender SHOULD discard all recovery state
-associated with those packets and MUST remove them from the count of bytes in
-flight.
+their acknowledgements cannot be processed anymore. The sender SHOULD discard
+all recovery state associated with those packets and MUST remove them from

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1047,6 +1045,19 @@ paces the sending of any packets in excess of the initial congestion window.
 A sender MAY implement alternate mechanisms to update its congestion window
 after idle periods, such as those proposed for TCP in {{?RFC7661}}.
 
+## Application Limited Sending
+
+The congestion window should not be increased in slow start or congestion
+avoidance when it is not fully utilized.  The congestion window could be
+under-utilized due to insufficient application data to send or flow control
+limits.
+
+When the sender is pacing (see {{pacing}}) packets, the sender may be unable
+to use the full congestion window for a period of time after receiving
+acknowledgements, due to pacing.  In this case, the sender should not consider
+themselves application limited and should allow the congestion window to
+increase.

Accepted with minor tweaks.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -427,16 +427,20 @@ The encoder MUST not set a dynamic table capacity that exceeds this maximum, but
 it can choose to use a lower dynamic table capacity (see
 {{set-dynamic-capacity}}).
 
+For clients using 0-RTT data in HTTP/3, the maximum table capacity is the
+remembered value of the setting. If the remembered value is not present or is 0,
+the server MAY set it to a non-zero value in its SETTINGS frame. If the

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The receiver SHOULD send an immediate ACK when it receives a new -packet which is not one greater than the largest received packet number. +packet which is not the next expected one. That is, its packet number is not one +greater than the largest received packet number. A receiver MAY immediately +acknowledge subsequent ack-eliciting packets after first receiving a packet out +of order. A receiver SHOULD NOT send an immediate ACK any time there is a gap +in the ACK frame being sent, because that will cause it to send an ACK in +response to every packet for at least an RTT after a single packet loss. I don't understand what the text here is trying to say. I'll suggest rewording for text "A receiver MAY ... single packet loss", see if this matches what you're getting at. 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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
 Out-of-order packets SHOULD be acknowledged more quickly, in order to accelerate
 loss recovery.  The receiver SHOULD send an immediate ACK when it receives a new
-packet which is not one greater than the largest received packet number.
+packet which is not the next expected one. That is, its packet number is not one
+greater than the largest received packet number.  A receiver MAY immediately
+acknowledge subsequent ack-eliciting packets after first receiving a packet out
+of order. A receiver SHOULD NOT send an immediate ACK any time there is a gap
+in the ACK frame being sent, because that will cause it to send an ACK in
+response to every packet for at least an RTT after a single packet loss.

I don't understand what the text here is trying to say. I'll suggest rewording for text "A receiver MAY ... single packet loss", see if this matches what you're getting at.

"A receiver MAY send acknowledgements immediately for the next few packets that are received, but the receiver SHOULD revert back to delaying acknowledgements after sending a few immediate acknowledgements."

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If we allow 0 to become >0, that isn't fundamentally that different= to allowing increases. If you chose 0, then 0-RTT probably isn't that ef= fective either. I am inclined to leave no change as the only option if we= go this way.

I would argue that allowing 0 to become >0 is different from allowi= ng increases in a subtle but important way: while the SETTING value is 0,= wrapping is automatically disabled. Therefore I do not see any complexi= ty change from banning all changes to allowing 0 to be increased. Whethe= r there is any benefit to this in practice is a different, and quite vali= d, question.

In the end I do not feel strongly about allowing 0 to be increased eit= her way, as long as non-zero values are not allowed to be changed.

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(#2382) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c4fd721d3b8f_23753f88ee2d45b8476162"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 04:31:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c4fd721d3b8f_23753f88ee2d45b8476162 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, there's no need to vote, this is just an omission. A protocol violation (or similar) is what we should mandate. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Yeah, there's no need to vote, this is just an omission. A protocol violation (or similar) is what we should mandate.

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Playing devils' advocate: what about p2p apps? The token says, you can call me back from that address, I will accept it. The client is not saying anything untrue.

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----==_mimepart_5c4fdcfa9583a_6fbe3fe1b20d45c0568744-- From nobody Mon Jan 28 21:37:26 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A012B130ED9 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2019 21:37:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.935 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CGPNyj2j4PdY for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2019 21:37:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 02766130EA4 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2019 21:37:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 21:37:22 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548740242; bh=gKKMjQecT45EYtXOAQ7O1RG8q0DX6hFQkTU/OSmJHcQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=PNqHrFBNXyfzBzWyfFcqVVrD2As1NyscaBPUFF/xhIJqKoYe5eObIRBqgxkoKBwYb Qvj+mnmAp5kcvLazGwrLAC/iob4gkUKVBl4tXfGSbOAk8DLVQuIGBvZkdiRnRhWyCv sTA1XEc9W08LpVA3oaNdgFFuufQPWrprQ6Zk+YNI= From: Masaori Koshiba Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] What scheme should be used for HTTP/3 (#2384) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c4fe692d0bf3_1fa53fe2ce8d45b46129bb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: masaori335 X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 05:37:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c4fe692d0bf3_1fa53fe2ce8d45b46129bb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit During interop session in Tokyo, @dtikhonov pointed out that current HTTP draft (-17) does not say anything about what `:scheme` should be used. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2384 ----==_mimepart_5c4fe692d0bf3_1fa53fe2ce8d45b46129bb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

During interop session in Tokyo, @dtikhonov pointed out that current HTTP draft (-17) does not say anything about what :scheme should be used.

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This is another variant of #253, actually. In the current dra= ft, H3 can only be used as the target from an Alt-Svc entry. So= the scheme is the scheme of whatever the origin is which gave you an H3 = alternate. That's probably https://, but it could also be http:// (see R= FC 8164).

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
 Out-of-order packets SHOULD be acknowledged more quickly, in order to accelerate
 loss recovery.  The receiver SHOULD send an immediate ACK when it receives a new
-packet which is not one greater than the largest received packet number.
+packet which is not the next expected one. That is, its packet number is not one

Again, there are SHOULDs on top of SHOULDs here. How about this for a paragraph:

"Quicker acknowledgement of out-of-order packets may accelerate loss detection. Upon receipt of a packet number not one more than the previous maximum received, receivers SHOULD separately acknowledge it and the next few packets, but not more than five."

This is shorter, has only one SHOULD, and places a recommended limit that is less subjective than "a few".

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----==_mimepart_5c4ffd8cf12d6_18ac3f958e4d45b4390711-- From nobody Mon Jan 28 23:53:44 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED468130F2A for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2019 23:53:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TrC0PvT4C4q1 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2019 23:53:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AEBBA130F26 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2019 23:53:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 23:53:39 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548748419; bh=X0WyqJqGfdiFT/z3sTIARvTysPN3JuRsxLYCDxNj300=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=NvUaFHh7bZsbPpdcfqVWkUg3dtf/8RUYpatQB371idjyS5Cl9kYSAX1TH57p98U/u 6bUMFB+xEzem9KD84U+dk6pQG6Dxh74+tyKOafAO74pVPuUaFskXyXeWKHROUZz/QB a+lMPtYtV6SxfjKAd7cH3F1OBbbJCE3B3lasl6yo= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] loss of only two packets can lead to an unrecoverable situation (#2267) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c5006839fd4b_60b73fa2432d45b84921af"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 07:53:43 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c5006839fd4b_60b73fa2432d45b84921af Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @marten-seemann > Both endpoints have the 1-RTT keys, but the client doesn't know that the server has them, since the ACK for the CFIN was lost. For the client, this situation is indistinguishable from the CFIN itself being lost, so it has to keep retransmitting it. That's true, however I am not sure if introducing a new frame (that needs to be delivered reliably) is the correct solution. At least for my implementation, consulting if an ACK for 1-RTT packet has been received each time a Handshake packet is deemed lost is easier than reliably transmitting a HANDSHAKE_DONE frame and using it's receipt as a signal. Having that said, _if_ we are going to depart from the current approach, possibly by introducing a HANDSHAKE_DONE frame, I think it's worth reconsidering when we drop the Initial keys. Current text requires endpoints to drop Initial packets as soon as they know that the peer knows the Handshake keys. The downside of this approach is delivery of Initial packets and their RTT is sometimes lost. If we are to have an explicit signal for indicating the end of the handshake, we could delay dropping not only the Handshake keys but also the Initial keys until that signal is being emitted. The design would be: * each endpoint emits HANDSHAKE_DONE packet when all the CRYPTO data sent using Initial and Handshake packets are acknowledged * an endpoint would retain it's Initial and Handshake keys until it sends HANDSHAKE_DONE frame and also receives HANDSHAKE_DONE frame This is simpler than the current design. There's no fear of key being dropped having negative impact on loss recovery / congestion control. There's only one event for dropping the keys (instead of two). And the logic can be exactly the same on the server and the client. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2267#issuecomment-458441125 ----==_mimepart_5c5006839fd4b_60b73fa2432d45b84921af Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Both endpoints have the 1-RTT keys, but the client doesn't know that t= he server has them, since the ACK for the CFIN was lost. For the client, = this situation is indistinguishable from the CFIN itself being lost, so i= t has to keep retransmitting it.

That's true, however I am not sure if introducing a new frame (that ne= eds to be delivered reliably) is the correct solution. At least for my im= plementation, consulting if an ACK for 1-RTT packet has been received eac= h time a Handshake packet is deemed lost is easier than reliably transmit= ting a HANDSHAKE_DONE frame and using it's receipt as a signal.

Having that said, if we are going to depart from the current = approach, possibly by introducing a HANDSHAKE_DONE frame, I think it's wo= rth reconsidering when we drop the Initial keys.

Current text requires endpoints to drop Initial packets as soon as the= y know that the peer knows the Handshake keys. The downside of this appro= ach is delivery of Initial packets and their RTT is sometimes lost.

If we are to have an explicit signal for indicating the end of the han= dshake, we could delay dropping not only the Handshake keys but also the = Initial keys until that signal is being emitted.

The design would be:

  • each endpoint emits HANDSHAKE_DONE packet when all the CRYPTO data se= nt using Initial and Handshake packets are acknowledged
  • an endpoint would retain it's Initial and Handshake keys until it sen= ds HANDSHAKE_DONE frame and also receives HANDSHAKE_DONE frame

This is simpler than the current design. There's no fear of key being = dropped having negative impact on loss recovery / congestion control. The= re's only one event for dropping the keys (instead of two). And the logic= can be exactly the same on the server and the client.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
 Out-of-order packets SHOULD be acknowledged more quickly, in order to accelerate
 loss recovery.  The receiver SHOULD send an immediate ACK when it receives a new
-packet which is not one greater than the largest received packet number.
+packet which is not the next expected one. That is, its packet number is not one

Don't we have a reordering threshold constant we could use here?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
 Out-of-order packets SHOULD be acknowledged more quickly, in order to accelerate
 loss recovery.  The receiver SHOULD send an immediate ACK when it receives a new
-packet which is not one greater than the largest received packet number.
+packet which is not the next expected one. That is, its packet number is not one

Thanks for the suggestions, I reworked the text to only have one SHOULD and mention the 1/8 RTT as the max amount of time to send immediate acks.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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A few more suggestions, but I think this is getting close. > When an ACK frame is received that establishes loss of all in-flight packets -sent prior to a threshold number of consecutive PTOs (pto_count is more than -kPersistentCongestionThreshold, see {{cc-consts-of-interest}}), the network is -considered to be experiencing persistent congestion, and the sender's congestion -window MUST be reduced to the minimum congestion window (kMinimumWindow). This -response of collapsing the congestion window on persistent congestion is -functionally similar to a sender's response on a Retransmission Timeout (RTO) in -TCP {{RFC5681}}. +sent over a long enough period of time, the network is considered to be +experiencing persistent congestion. Commonly, this can be established by +consecutive PTOs (pto_count is more than kPersistentCongestionThreshold, see +{{cc-consts-of-interest}}), but since the PTO timer is reset when a new +ack-eliciting packet is sent, an explicit timeout must be used to account for I don't think it's really a timeout. How about period or duration or time? > When an ACK frame is received that establishes loss of all in-flight packets -sent prior to a threshold number of consecutive PTOs (pto_count is more than -kPersistentCongestionThreshold, see {{cc-consts-of-interest}}), the network is -considered to be experiencing persistent congestion, and the sender's congestion -window MUST be reduced to the minimum congestion window (kMinimumWindow). This -response of collapsing the congestion window on persistent congestion is -functionally similar to a sender's response on a Retransmission Timeout (RTO) in -TCP {{RFC5681}}. +sent over a long enough period of time, the network is considered to be +experiencing persistent congestion. Commonly, this can be established by +consecutive PTOs (pto_count is more than kPersistentCongestionThreshold, see Also, I'd remove the () here and then define what the actual period is at the end of this paragraph. > @@ -1214,15 +1218,27 @@ Invoked by loss detection from DetectLostPackets when new packets are detected lost. ~~~ + InPersistentCongestion(oldest_loss_time): + elapsed_time = Now() - oldest_loss_time ```suggestion congestion_period = Now() - oldest_loss_time ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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A few more suggestions, but I think this is getting close.

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----==_mimepart_5c5033122485c_705f3fb10fad45bc24658a-- From nobody Tue Jan 29 14:42:22 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FE01131026 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 14:42:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.552 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.552 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0JVhwRBiGQfa for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 14:42:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 28409130EE0 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 14:42:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 14:42:16 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548801736; bh=WFrlwbRok0kTgQt7XNgCphcVaBwI20ANplR9p0mPeuY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=yV4cBosUJTzUIIMSlDawIWJLA2URuAb1j0IxlirZx0poPHDYWn/Oz2s90+6Z826Ct N4rFBrojk6AE9UgLDKIo4MXs7jpRmvA7cAtSwEclXD2dzNPces/SqHu4kGEuQe15fI rotBTnfmO0Shr9qR56qJRDasKwGMyx5qMgnEKdgU= From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Persistent Congestion Time Threshold (#2365) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c50d6c8ab9fd_10433fdd660d45c01429e7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 22:42:21 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c50d6c8ab9fd_10433fdd660d45c01429e7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nibanks commented on this pull request. > When an ACK frame is received that establishes loss of all in-flight packets -sent prior to a threshold number of consecutive PTOs (pto_count is more than -kPersistentCongestionThreshold, see {{cc-consts-of-interest}}), the network is -considered to be experiencing persistent congestion, and the sender's congestion -window MUST be reduced to the minimum congestion window (kMinimumWindow). This -response of collapsing the congestion window on persistent congestion is -functionally similar to a sender's response on a Retransmission Timeout (RTO) in -TCP {{RFC5681}}. +sent over a long enough period of time, the network is considered to be +experiencing persistent congestion. Commonly, this can be established by +consecutive PTOs (pto_count is more than kPersistentCongestionThreshold, see +{{cc-consts-of-interest}}), but since the PTO timer is reset when a new +ack-eliciting packet is sent, an explicit timeout must be used to account for I think time or duration might fit. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2365#discussion_r252049017 ----==_mimepart_5c50d6c8ab9fd_10433fdd660d45c01429e7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@nibanks commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  When an ACK frame is received that establishes loss of all in-flight packets
-sent prior to a threshold number of consecutive PTOs (pto_count is more than
-kPersistentCongestionThreshold, see {{cc-consts-of-interest}}), the network is
-considered to be experiencing persistent congestion, and the sender's congestion
-window MUST be reduced to the minimum congestion window (kMinimumWindow).  This
-response of collapsing the congestion window on persistent congestion is
-functionally similar to a sender's response on a Retransmission Timeout (RTO) in
-TCP {{RFC5681}}.
+sent over a long enough period of time, the network is considered to be
+experiencing persistent congestion.  Commonly, this can be established by
+consecutive PTOs (pto_count is more than  kPersistentCongestionThreshold, see
+{{cc-consts-of-interest}}), but since the PTO timer is reset when a new
+ack-eliciting packet is sent, an explicit timeout must be used to account for

I think time or duration might fit.

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So when do I return to sending immediate ACKs?

Say that there is a period of reordering, so that I might otherwise be inclined to send immediate ACKs for 1-RTT or longer. This text says that I return to sending delayed ACKs after 1/8 RTT. That means that I mark the time when I first send an immediate ACK and as long as now < mark + sRTT/8 I send immediate ACKs. When that period elapses, then I will send delayed ACKs. When do I return to sending immediate ACKs?

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----==_mimepart_5c50f44381d7d_4e5f3f940bed45c01441af-- From nobody Tue Jan 29 16:48:15 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0EF7130EEB for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 16:48:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.007 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.007 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vhnbBuX-4kAG for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 16:48:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F3B7B130EEC for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 16:48:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 16:48:03 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548809283; bh=0WnaAYtya9yc6U1CSMlXFwtCYicfnFTTkfOJ/h35WHg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=HHE+myax6XCe6sSiaJC7q3pbOv6imQ1Px7qwFSZOouIs7e9vm64nrvR7nkrkr7O5b wf0MK+OyxtGwVJaP8G6oaExKFGd71GjjFysa0kfRlWAj0VqrmPdZKUACfT/zAUknYk UKFwpH4cGZ/Cbx3YlvukZo0N1H0+auCLnihtR/qE= From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Are Separate Uni and Bidi Stream Limits Meaningful? (#2358) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c50f4432c5aa_7d2a3fa1a04d45b410860"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 00:48:07 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c50f4432c5aa_7d2a3fa1a04d45b410860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I find the feedback here convincing. Closing. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2358#issuecomment-458767039 ----==_mimepart_5c50f4432c5aa_7d2a3fa1a04d45b410860 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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I think it just makes it easier to make crypto subject to the same cc algorithm vs making a special case for it in this way. Why would it matter if crypto is limited by CC?

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Discussed in Tokyo; @marten-seemann will make a PR to prohibit senders from coalescing packets of different encryption levels and to permit (but not require) receivers to enforce this constraint.

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@martinthomson, @marten-seemann, @ekr= , @vasilvv, and @kazuho will confer and produce a pro= posal.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c51030b3ee2c_32aa3f97c40d45bc1039bd-- From nobody Tue Jan 29 18:09:53 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 660C41310DA for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 18:09:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y2fCzapPoVTU for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 18:09:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DC4481310CD for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 18:09:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 18:09:49 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548814189; bh=TPHRdwIAa+JMqpHzZ4KpdYNYG8QlTgLlhsuo8k5Y7OY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=XOjhIEi4O+1LNVHtXwa1/RN68FjGojX5++ZQx7KZnFlNB6njfUK8DUHG23Tz9vkpK wwHQ0PRqM90ZhXR8OwbFpstzusOO/QujaU8CxaXAlwgH7A5TvaC1cUFxiR+XV0tMPG FS8+aNebEYOe7qptYKJeNSz+dVnVvjTtofYMZxaI= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Flow control for post-handshake CRYPTO messages (#1834) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c51076dcf3bf_32aa3f97c40d45bc1915fb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 02:09:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c51076dcf3bf_32aa3f97c40d45bc1915fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The problem here is that CRYPTO is not flow controlled. Endpoints can cause arbitrary buffering of CRYPTO frame data. This has very little to do with the handshake (though @siyengar notes that we have a similar concern for CRYPTO in Initial and Handshake, that is bounded by the handshake timers). Proposal is to allow endpoints to maintain a buffer of any size they choose. If they receive a TLS message that does not fit into that buffer, they can drop all subsequent TLS data. The effect of this is to disable TLS from that point onward. Currently, we don't depend on this frame for anything other that NewSessionTicket, for which loss has no real consequence. We will assign a minimum buffer size that implementations are required to support, probably something small like 4k. A higher limit is possible. If an endpoint finds that this buffer is overrun they MAY discard all CRYPTO frames with higher offsets, or they MAY drop the connection with a `NEW_ERROR` code. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1834#issuecomment-458783852 ----==_mimepart_5c51076dcf3bf_32aa3f97c40d45bc1915fb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The problem here is that CRYPTO is not flow controlled. Endpoints can= cause arbitrary buffering of CRYPTO frame data.

This has very little to do with the handshake (though @siyengar= notes that we have a similar concern for CRYPTO in Initial and Hands= hake, that is bounded by the handshake timers).

Proposal is to allow endpoints to maintain a buffer of any size they c= hoose. If they receive a TLS message that does not fit into that buffer,= they can drop all subsequent TLS data. The effect of this is to disable= TLS from that point onward. Currently, we don't depend on this frame fo= r anything other that NewSessionTicket, for which loss has no real conseq= uence.

We will assign a minimum buffer size that implementations are required= to support, probably something small like 4k. A higher limit is possibl= e. If an endpoint finds that this buffer is overrun they MAY discard all= CRYPTO frames with higher offsets, or they MAY drop the connection with = a NEW_ERROR code.

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----==_mimepart_5c510cd6d31e9_73ac3f93bfed45bc4199e-- From nobody Tue Jan 29 18:33:05 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D37B1310FA for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 18:32:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QhaQrbtSDpbb for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 18:32:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8711E1310F2 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 18:32:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 18:32:56 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548815576; bh=jZ6fDMJm+odtPyrHOy8tCgqbV/dkN3mElQmYnIlCZgg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=gzH7ohPiDnv3Ynrt2axYLuaDiIfhDapPG5bHhSPF6OKUYGC9NneuCss+o+89n7F/n oCtt8YgD9QbYXpElqUryVYQnmqE6HvUmo90JChs2sYNI3dYARNalGXmLGl93lj+oZn 8dJp2c1LofQ5bh53jHEXMvcFZC5Rl1DxPQsCZVL4= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Actions to take when Reserved Bits are not Zero (#2329) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c510cd8ba574_74633fa9900d45c055245"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 02:32:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c510cd8ba574_74633fa9900d45c055245 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tokyo conclusion: everything is fine. Thanks for raising the issue. @martinduke will open/fix an editorial PR on this. Principle for future stuff agreed: Protocol violations, when detected, MUST result in a connection error. Where detecting the error is trivially feasible, then we will require that the endpoint check for the error. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2329#issuecomment-458788361 ----==_mimepart_5c510cd8ba574_74633fa9900d45c055245 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Tokyo conclusion: everything is fine. Thanks for raising the issue. = @martinduke will open/fix an editorial PR on this.

Principle for future stuff agreed:

Protocol violations, when detected, MUST result in a connection error.= Where detecting the error is trivially feasible, then we will require t= hat the endpoint check for the error.

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Tokyo conclusion: this is clearly desirable, and there is some interes= t from some people in doing the work. People are generally supportive of= the work and will happily contribute. However, the working group won't = spend additional time on this and won't let it block publication.

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The only challenge - and indeed the main one - is that sending all that stuff from the server is highly unlikely to fit in one packet.

I would like to point out that the server has no information to choose the correct certificate.

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I agree that an error should be generated in that case and I support a= dding the check to the code. Since "the decoder reconstructs the Require= d Insert Count using the following algorithm", and not "this is an exampl= e algorithm to reconstruct the Required Insert Count", I consider the cod= e to be normative, so I do not think it is necessary to spell this out in= text.

BTW I'm not in love with this algorithm, mostly because it is longer a= nd more complicated than the original without improving on clarity, but I= can live with it. I still think the one I proposed at #2248 would be the least error-prone (most implementers presumably don't car= e about how the algorithm works, they just copy it line by line, so the f= ewer lines, the better), but whatever is in the draft currently, or even = the one proposed here, is just fine with me after all.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c510dd3946af_18a43fd64f6d45c42347d-- From nobody Tue Jan 29 19:06:29 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AB3413111E for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 19:06:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.552 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.552 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XCb1lKEhL3ds for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 19:06:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 198D813111A for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 19:06:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 19:06:23 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548817583; bh=OuFbXJa62pLpSTUt1C1Ujnbv/73fTe/6qEW7ZzJSqek=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ifhRNvo7e5477UOR3Jy5HLH5BIpVYlpM/gUg7CQDrnQAgYKb5CP7+QbRf7PQWScK7 R6NxWvYRxwQqowN3u0AjwHrsZ7IF5X8oFY0hsC8eqtogXC5cKzt54B+6lIhe34mK61 poxVfTWrFvIGrFZ68RLCsEdhBJDVWZgjYEKnO05k= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Build a version negotiation mechanism that mostly doesn't add round trips (#1773) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c5114afd1639_bbf3f9e9bad45c0875fb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 03:06:27 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c5114afd1639_bbf3f9e9bad45c0875fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tokyo proposal: take version downgrade protections out of the draft, make a new draft with an extension that provides that. This would entail merging a fixed-up version of #2313 into the docs. Disabling downgrade protection would fix #1810. If that extension makes traction before we complete v1, then we can merge it back in. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1773#issuecomment-458794562 ----==_mimepart_5c5114afd1639_bbf3f9e9bad45c0875fb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Tokyo proposal: take version downgrade protections out of the draft, m= ake a new draft with an extension that provides that. This would entail = merging a fixed-up version of #2313 into the docs. Disabli= ng downgrade protection would fix #1810.

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Removing downgrade protection (#1773) will fix this, and the responsibility for fixing this will fall on the extension draft.

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Given #2001, I'm not convinced this is a problem. Post-VN, we'll have the same CID and it's routed to the same server. Server upgrade between two INITIAL packets on the same CID is an exceedingly small corner case.

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Ah, I didn't really intend that an implementation HAD to use this algo= rithm. An implementation can use any algorithm that produces correct res= ults (or not decode at all, per @dtikhonov's impl that uses t= he wrapped value to index directly). Given that it's easy to screw up th= e algorithm, I like having the psuedocode for copy-and-paste/no brainer.<= /p>

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Tokyo conclusion: describe what the attack is and explain that anti-correlation text exists as an answer to this.

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From nobody Tue Jan 29 19:29:46 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 435C7131132 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 19:29:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.552 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.552 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VXftG5gJzy7h for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 19:29:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B391E13112D for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 19:29:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 19:29:41 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548818981; bh=WMPkm9FfyeZtjnsy/8+lNfkHHVSb4HSIlVZ8e6tVNf8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=bonuSxE/9vnXUb+tU1XCee6oO5K8JczHoMlueTyNjZZRytA92XqOy98YUP0pHb39g eQT8PwtAvxcP/tNdCr/bpUNjR1XQcDmnvYYS7eLQOAHH0b9TL50gF9F7IjUUj3xtsQ rVku6cHi1PbBv+Rx2wONx+7Obr8hYwMVHFg0aPos= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove requirement for reciprocal connection ID change (#2386) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c511a25d199f_d4f3fb9cdcd45bc4887f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 03:29:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c511a25d199f_d4f3fb9cdcd45bc4887f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As discussed in Tokyo. Closes #1795, #2145. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2386 -- Commit Summary -- * Remove requirement for reciprocal connection ID change -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (17) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2386.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2386.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2386 ----==_mimepart_5c511a25d199f_d4f3fb9cdcd45bc4887f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

As discussed in Tokyo.

Closes #1795, #2145.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2386

Commit Summary

  • Remove requirement for reciprocal connection ID change

File Changes

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Discussed in Tokyo; add Security Considerations text about an attacker's ability to influence server selection, but don't normatively forbid the use of the ODCID in routing decisions.

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[ci skip] From nobody Tue Jan 29 19:38:15 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D0CD131137 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 19:38:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6mekkinVffxu for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 19:38:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 82DA3131136 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 19:38:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 19:38:10 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548819490; bh=kZmRcVVddmxJtodgX9LG24WzZl+xWoN0FVkY1LJw4rw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Qi2se+mO0uEohmrkx7Q/tVQheqY3LQ93FMzhv+EJU4qHjAHHaobCzc8O259N8W/6O EY+GN1ey58kzXONQWRHN4U2m9GtlS7Gx2RgXKLGNA4NJ/O5hG64NRp7QVv/Ku5OHbI 5khIXsrgmR46/gL3dsoPKgnq04YTHGETdhmWBjf0= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Timing issues in version downgrade attack prevention (#1810) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c511c2274fd3_51433fd5ef2d45c41887c0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 03:38:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c511c2274fd3_51433fd5ef2d45c41887c0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinduke I'm not sure if I agree. 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@martinduke I'm not sure if I agree.

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Perhaps the tag should be recovery, not transports.

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----==_mimepart_5c511c6b96903_49383fcb5f6d45c416895c-- From nobody Tue Jan 29 19:41:13 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66E44131139 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 19:41:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.935 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rCjlGI8NBI6I for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 19:41:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8BB6A13115F for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 19:41:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 19:41:03 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548819663; bh=CnxmPc4C4DgcEuOxd6kS7OCe2tM8h3iCoHSOzUO8jTg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=MyFYwGuf/n4u590Kdu3ciLGMGTwOPeclxSerxW7tKZ86crxC9qbpXAw0vRgfr1+TC A3bOPlNy8KOyt0YPAvz9v4RLJpuXANTV28gA7IJfxZEgLM/qHzo/rZS8g/GDn//b+S 5Z49HYKnJUYBkUDpcjDwjL2eMo4xhD6EtrYodUqo= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Connection migration attacks may have other side effects (#2311) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c511ccfb587f_511c3fd5ef2d45c41742da"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 03:41:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c511ccfb587f_511c3fd5ef2d45c41742da Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can see it going either way. @janaiyengar what do you think? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2311#issuecomment-458800459 ----==_mimepart_5c511ccfb587f_511c3fd5ef2d45c41742da Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Discussed in Tokyo: the working group believes right now that our exis= ting defense is OK-ish. Roberto noted that we're not current as good as = multipath TCP and suggested that we might want stronger confirmation.

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Section 9 has a SHOULD regarding PATH_CHALLENGE; change it to a MUST?

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(#253) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c512e7130914_3f6a3fd3646d45bc4829ba"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: tfpauly X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 04:56:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c512e7130914_3f6a3fd3646d45bc4829ba Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Using connection-establishment racing as a way to try out QUIC, while still falling back to TLS/TCP in a reasonable amount of time, is certainly a useful strategy and one that I'd like to promote for clients capable of techniques like Happy Eyeballs. As @philsbln mentions, the key caveat here is that simultaneous racing is almost never the right answer. Ideally, you'd pick your preference (QUIC?) and then only start attempts for other endpoints/protocols/paths around the same time that the transport protocol would be doing its retransmission. Even when you do have Alt-Svc telling you that an HTTP endpoint is HTTP/3 (and thus, QUIC) capable, being able to quickly fall back to HTTP/2 using this Happy Eyeballs approach is a benefit. This is to some degree a requirement to not fail on the <10% of networks that mistreat UDP traffic. So, racing is a technique that goes beyond discovery. Using racing as a way to discover that an endpoint supports QUIC, as @ekr brings up, is certainly interesting. It's nicely generic, doesn't require changing lots of application protocols, and can allow clients to tune how optimistic they are about QUIC. You could imagine only trying QUIC first every so often, such that the user wouldn't notice the cases in which you'd need to wait the extra RTT before TLS/TCP is attempted in case QUIC is not supported. As QUIC becomes more widely deployed, it would make sense to try it more often. And, as a client learns which endpoints support QUIC, it can remember this to influence future decisions. The main sticking point is knowing which port to use. Protocols other than HTTP that start being able to run over QUIC may have it in their best interests to define a well-known port to make this possible. The current HTTP spec that uses Alt-Svc is quite clear that the port may be anything. So, a client cannot *know* what port to try to optimistically race over until it connects over HTTP/2. Once it does get Alt-Svc, it can start racing connections after that. However, if in deployment, we see a common pattern of HTTP/3 servers squatting on a certain UDP port (say, 443), then it may be in clients' best interests to try connecting to that port slightly ahead of an HTTP/2 attempt if they believe that QUIC is indeed preferable. That likely won't happen until we see pretty widespread deployment, but it is a reason to start solidifying some of the mechanisms for identifying or defining ports without needing a TCP connection. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/253#issuecomment-458811958 ----==_mimepart_5c512e7130914_3f6a3fd3646d45bc4829ba Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Using connection-establishment racing as a way to try out QUIC, while = still falling back to TLS/TCP in a reasonable amount of time, is certainl= y a useful strategy and one that I'd like to promote for clients capable = of techniques like Happy Eyeballs.

As @philsbln mentions, the key caveat here is that simulta= neous racing is almost never the right answer. Ideally, you'd pick your p= reference (QUIC?) and then only start attempts for other endpoints/protoc= ols/paths around the same time that the transport protocol would be doing= its retransmission.

Even when you do have Alt-Svc telling you that an HTTP endpoint is HTT= P/3 (and thus, QUIC) capable, being able to quickly fall back to HTTP/2 u= sing this Happy Eyeballs approach is a benefit. This is to some degree a = requirement to not fail on the <10% of networks that mistreat UDP traf= fic. So, racing is a technique that goes beyond discovery.

Using racing as a way to discover that an endpoint supports QUIC, as <= a class=3D"user-mention" data-hovercard-type=3D"user" data-hovercard-url=3D= "/hovercards?user_id=3D1111457" data-octo-click=3D"hovercard-link-click" = data-octo-dimensions=3D"link_type:self" href=3D"https://github.com/ekr">@= ekr brings up, is certainly interesting. It's nicely generic, doesn't= require changing lots of application protocols, and can allow clients to= tune how optimistic they are about QUIC. You could imagine only trying Q= UIC first every so often, such that the user wouldn't notice the cases in= which you'd need to wait the extra RTT before TLS/TCP is attempted in ca= se QUIC is not supported. As QUIC becomes more widely deployed, it would = make sense to try it more often. And, as a client learns which endpoints = support QUIC, it can remember this to influence future decisions.

The main sticking point is knowing which port to use. Protocols other = than HTTP that start being able to run over QUIC may have it in their bes= t interests to define a well-known port to make this possible. The curren= t HTTP spec that uses Alt-Svc is quite clear that the port may be anythin= g. So, a client cannot know what port to try to optimistically r= ace over until it connects over HTTP/2. Once it does get Alt-Svc, it can = start racing connections after that.

However, if in deployment, we see a common pattern of HTTP/3 servers s= quatting on a certain UDP port (say, 443), then it may be in clients' bes= t interests to try connecting to that port slightly ahead of an HTTP/2 at= tempt if they believe that QUIC is indeed preferable. That likely won't h= appen until we see pretty widespread deployment, but it is a reason to st= art solidifying some of the mechanisms for identifying or defining ports = without needing a TCP connection.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c512e7130914_3f6a3fd3646d45bc4829ba-- From nobody Tue Jan 29 21:10:07 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F4BD13116F for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 21:10:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.935 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j0yBCVPmxm2v for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 21:10:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DD8FC130F97 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 21:10:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 21:10:03 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548825003; bh=gkLx03+5Kn8OLdaCimLyAjfpI67kthLKd/zIxxauFaA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=jXcoVPmMcGhG1b0Jq+nMr2PU1cJo6RurzZup62ueC4yi+PNagshjv9M6a12Ro0zge AebmBPRWoD9NlQDMvLLM+3Q2ANF7jAeVtxtirXt58GeZIYMvxYQO1Jn+BnWbU2PVrL /WihRa0dtGsl1S7PNwptx2Oq2l8MV0WqERMlsUTw= From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP/QUIC without Alt-Svc? (#253) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c5131abd5518_4df93fe84ccd45b45529cf"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 05:10:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c5131abd5518_4df93fe84ccd45b45529cf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have concerns about how happy eyeballs plays out for HTTP connection coalescing. I think it can be specified in a way that resolves my concerns, and defining such guidance is crucial for making coalescing feasibly deployable. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/253#issuecomment-458814047 ----==_mimepart_5c5131abd5518_4df93fe84ccd45b45529cf Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I have concerns about how happy eyeballs plays out for HTTP connection coalescing. I think it can be specified in a way that resolves my concerns, and defining such guidance is crucial for making coalescing feasibly deployable.

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Proposal from Tokyo:

Endpoints MUST validate new paths before using them. In reaction to a= migration they MUST continue using the old path until they receive new n= on-probing packets on the new path AND validation of that path is complet= e.

Research question: Allow an exception in the case that the rebinding a= ppears to be a NAT rebinding. Heuristics are necessary here: e.g., a por= t-only change after a period of inactivity. If we adopt the strict requi= rement, but learn that we get a lot of hitches from apparent migration, t= hen we can find a way to relax the requirement. If we allow this excepti= on, then we have to address the problem of what to do when there are mult= iple such changes in a short period. =3D=3D> Open this as an issue to= track the research question.

Otherwise, eliminate the distinction between IP and port changes and j= ust say "address change".

Stricter rules would close off the ability for an attacker to force a = connection into a non-functioning state, even if that state is temporary.= The cost is that migration can result in a delay of a round trip or mor= e.

(We might also want to know more about the severity of the attack.)

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= ----==_mimepart_5c51331eaabdd_67613fe84ccd45b42597b-- From nobody Tue Jan 29 21:20:38 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44D97131188 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 21:20:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.935 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9xoCPK6pUWJW for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 21:20:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 96E4F131182 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 21:20:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 21:20:33 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548825633; bh=s22KK4sGOKl1M71Jenl5f8iicUZPZMz6lyQMWRHQC3g=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=NUvvTlsmn/XvsEjZTWrFU5eZaXdFxHn/X/ngEkprq9xixpgkp13vh4oBfZPFo1xxv p3INV4Sx6r8e+lD6ag1wcDCLfP+wvJaEwzoU/cD8qDh8d7c6Jps9GmxxUPgQi0yDSK F1o46Lv1/EIWzq++X0uz4kVxqtlAmQlRuaDoio2k= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Should retiring all CIDs be an error? (#2101) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c51342162e5d_1d923f8849cd45b8391953"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 05:20:36 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c51342162e5d_1d923f8849cd45b8391953 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Assigning this to @dtikhonov : endpoints MUST NOT retire a connection ID in a packet that contains that connection ID. Endpoints MAY generate an error in that case. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2101#issuecomment-458815733 ----==_mimepart_5c51342162e5d_1d923f8849cd45b8391953 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Assigning this to @dtikhonov : endpoints MUST NOT retire a connection ID in a packet that contains that connection ID. Endpoints MAY generate an error in that case.

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I'd add "appears to be intentional immediate migration" to the list of research questions. If a PATH_CHALLENGE is bundled with other frames and the path changes, then it seems very likely the peer knows the path has changed and it's intentional.

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That doesn=E2=80=99t solve the issue. You can use two connection IDs a= nd retire CID A in B and CID B in A.

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Tokyo conclusion: this is not easy, but what we have is tolerable. If we obtain more data, then we will reopen the issue.

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This true. I thought the consensus was to prohibit retiring all connection IDs, @martinthomson?

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Tokyo conclusion: @marten-seeman will amend the PR to remove the error condition - the transport parameter will be a hint.

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Discussed in Tokyo: closing.

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----==_mimepart_5c513a9077cc8_491f3fcb5f6d45c43399dc-- From nobody Tue Jan 29 21:48:11 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF59A130F9F for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 21:48:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.935 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Us58x1PH5hQN for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 21:48:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 19D5C131182 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 21:48:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 21:48:01 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548827281; bh=kHbpGWS2mElHWGmpsL9Mh7Xqm6r1b5rJt/Ot3LbnNf8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ipYsoFGfFrQpFxWLzbQ1/03IUyaP2EBSeO148npKdQjvbn5Zh2sYbJSmpSfjQyYi+ O39UMJpxPVfE2lLCixwAnRRo1nLLlPBs3BDK+oGL/JUAR3qMrbTEPr89CYE0GQCchK g/r2f290FN+7F9aIC1L0Rhsl2TJO8KO7DkuEgGa4= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Connection migration should be indistinguishable from a new connection (#203) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c513a91152f3_4e0c3fb435ad45c0519450"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 05:48:04 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c513a91152f3_4e0c3fb435ad45c0519450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #203. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/203#event-2105591791 ----==_mimepart_5c513a91152f3_4e0c3fb435ad45c0519450 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Closed #203.

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Consensus was to prohibit retiring the CID used in the packet which contains it. The intent is that RETIRE means "I have ceased using this CID," so the cross-retiring is technically possible but still against the intent.

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My understanding is that CIDs must be used in order. Given that, if you retire CID A in a packet with CID B then you can't then send CID A in a subsequent packet. And vice versa, so I think we're ok assuming CIDs must be used in order.

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OK, sounds good. I will make a PR to that effect.

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This error condition is a symptom of the "optimistic ack" attack. If I am under attack, I don't want to give more info to the attacker. Generic connection close is fine.

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----==_mimepart_5c513e1540c15_4d273fc09c8d45b88510f9-- From nobody Tue Jan 29 22:06:32 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DEDA1311C0 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 22:06:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.935 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NVJGslnne2Xo for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 22:06:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 52B021311B3 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 22:06:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=SvkNrZUCpngJ4MKnUdCupSZjnB4=; b=lvAcsby4D0krq0s/ ZWXVFtNChziJ/0aUijj/3wlBDl2GYkSmBy59FJZ7Bwt7LmrLWC1ODm/EIFyy6c/h dJea7aiPmxwjGKXv3Q3s2GeRcg07nmFB9uwtRSTcQLxqU4d3ohCD0HNw17ukQPw7 s9LjcgGFxEIbhTOyy8yedPDcqiA= Received: by filter1625p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1625p1mdw1-18425-5C513EE4-1 2019-01-30 06:06:28.100240741 +0000 UTC m=+106275.882727189 Received: from github-lowworker-e711880.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.45]) by ismtpd0046p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id w8K_d5tDRTG2Q3pAn5HVkA for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 06:06:28.118 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-e711880.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B25B4408ED for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 22:06:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 06:06:28 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Articulate principles for definition of error codes (#2388) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c513ee419f6f_5d363fe84ccd45b4666174"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3Zix1cgcXykP2R8jDUMjG9/VhZlfRtdk+sNv tna2euKDe7KPKLTDHTSucL7meOLn9rqMA5M5xBEydpRvzjwkVHaLdwubLd07r7VhX0N65csDMZqMDY K2VJAcFeWyCT7mQAdaKcUmyxyfw57YWF5DFDsiYTYEv6/wguhGxC++D2pzW121wP0Aih44bBtAr7WK c= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 06:06:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c513ee419f6f_5d363fe84ccd45b4666174 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We don't really have any real principles that we agree on for deciding what error codes we are describing. Proposal: 1. if the error carries distinct semantics (like stream rejection in HTTP), then it gets a new error code 2. if the error is frequent or particularly significant, then it gets a new error code 3. otherwise, target a more generic error code that identifies the broad area of the protocol 4. finally, if there is no more specific applicable error code, use PROTOCOL_VIOLATION -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2388 ----==_mimepart_5c513ee419f6f_5d363fe84ccd45b4666174 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

We don't really have any real principles that we agree on for deciding what error codes we are describing.

Proposal:

  1. if the error carries distinct semantics (like stream rejection in HTTP), then it gets a new error code

  2. if the error is frequent or particularly significant, then it gets a new error code

  3. otherwise, target a more generic error code that identifies the broad area of the protocol

  4. finally, if there is no more specific applicable error code, use PROTOCOL_VIOLATION

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@mikkelfj do you mean the ALTSVC DNS record as proposed by Mike's I-D?

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Tokyo conclusion: keep the field, over @marten-seemann's objection. Will confirm on the list.

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Closed #1989.

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----==_mimepart_5c514024c6194_65123ff1f36d45b49041b9-- From nobody Tue Jan 29 22:12:21 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C626C1311C0 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 22:12:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.935 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G5twmdIamL6b for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 22:12:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E707B1311B3 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 22:12:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=sWaoG2LA6m+2y0G6OJeQTauSz68=; b=ZKSE/fNXFHfFVBjB wgeqG9WEjFz/A119gqC/kBtxPPokYdjmlsk9Yc2cjHJE4lNwMWLuDqEbKiPWsLMp H/Pf0hyY20nysE8Yk6qgV4hWu/XDix5QeCrn/c12jyKpleaU9nOZR4TGJ/Lj/Kg9 4RLiNmPKu2HIDMMRDczkyPS01p8= Received: by filter1678p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1678p1mdw1-21875-5C514040-E 2019-01-30 06:12:16.858051461 +0000 UTC m=+114879.023013133 Received: from github-lowworker-e8fa9ff.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.43]) by ismtpd0018p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 3xt6Dy38TCC1nby8kSX98w for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 06:12:16.820 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-e8fa9ff.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C155A420723 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 22:12:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 06:12:16 +0000 (UTC) From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Articulate principles for definition of error codes (#2388) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c514040c0042_15eb3fb3cfad45b8894042"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1L9JrT86YjZX2YAjZJPQlBcUvt+bJgtWayax JsyySgS7MhNrti0e7VM+7fGDO6iht+W8joaayCO9+XRkzCrUxILDBb1F0iXK7uguW/AvPFX9vA56a7 pH1XlQ1OPX82Hq4Ric1VwcP2RXeAJ9XdQQvWjHojXaXfNPKzT9TB0Z9ABw== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 06:12:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c514040c0042_15eb3fb3cfad45b8894042 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit #1989 is example of an issue discussed where it would have been useful to have principles. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2388#issuecomment-458824927 ----==_mimepart_5c514040c0042_15eb3fb3cfad45b8894042 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

#1989 is example of an issue discussed where it would have been useful to have principles.

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Tokyo conclusion: We already have a SHOULD for UTF-8 text. No language tag will be added.

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Closed #1990.

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----==_mimepart_5c514112e2805_65123ff1f36d45b4915390-- From nobody Tue Jan 29 22:17:59 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 089B11311C0 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 22:17:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.935 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tJvdYnDP_O62 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 22:17:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 67ADA1311B3 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 22:17:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 22:17:55 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548829075; bh=RLLXkOOImLbQWpz56n5Og62BPzoQ7oNZJzJEuPcy3a0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=uqbaWKEOY6RKai62OlimqVjbk82f9dZJXiPabHpoPrFTzUgAKq9tv/d8/QomAdsQN e2aZMlvPHxZf2ohHNgDtIJ84cKq8IgLBXopIviixq6MF8L1gmxbi1c9bcSBD7iBMUg DDPRUe4A/HHTBoIorfYsuIKVyzkQcwoTbspAPbQ8= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Where can you send CONNECTION_CLOSE (#2151) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c514193501fb_6a573fa2b5ad45c09365da"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 06:17:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c514193501fb_6a573fa2b5ad45c09365da Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had to fix a bug in which Picoquic was sending a connection close in handshake while the peer would not have the handshake key when receiving the message... -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2151#issuecomment-458825946 ----==_mimepart_5c514193501fb_6a573fa2b5ad45c09365da Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I had to fix a bug in which Picoquic was sending a connection close in handshake while the peer would not have the handshake key when receiving the message...

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----==_mimepart_5c514193501fb_6a573fa2b5ad45c09365da-- From nobody Tue Jan 29 22:20:49 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 640201311C0 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 22:20:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.552 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.552 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Mr22FJC-g5ZT for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 22:20:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A39BD1311B3 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 22:20:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 22:20:45 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548829245; bh=GvzLm48eAqLLpAK3eG1RPfbrvZRNbW+ZaqNZq0j97GA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ZbO0Lw9CyBQXhyOpFNvQcV3ErUG5FtRZJPsQPYnnHh38o5X4PSUoLo6Hq+OlZd7TL 88DZMRtLdlcIDJOfdzJ8ybvV7kqAC1i0CCourz0bqssH5pFPppQ/fJggqewsxQ7+er W89MNjHsaQhouCTNCnGCrzDjlarssgd1dmgRpWwU= From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Should retiring all CIDs be an error? (#2101) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c51423dba72e_11db3fe3f08d45b41326437"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 06:20:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c51423dba72e_11db3fe3f08d45b41326437 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > My understanding is that CIDs must be used in order. Given that, if you retire CID A in a packet with CID B then you can't then send CID A in a subsequent packet. And vice versa, so I think we're ok assuming CIDs must be used in order. @ianswett I don't think we have that requirement. You're allowed to use multiple CIDs at the same time. Or did I miss any text in the spec? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2101#issuecomment-458826481 ----==_mimepart_5c51423dba72e_11db3fe3f08d45b41326437 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

My understanding is that CIDs must be used in order. Given that, if yo= u retire CID A in a packet with CID B then you can't then send CID A in a= subsequent packet. And vice versa, so I think we're ok assuming CIDs mus= t be used in order.

@ianswett I don't think we have that requirement. You're a= llowed to use multiple CIDs at the same time. Or did I miss any text in t= he spec?

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= ----==_mimepart_5c51423dba72e_11db3fe3f08d45b41326437-- From nobody Tue Jan 29 22:22:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 288171311C6 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 22:22:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.935 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aR5ehoELQwMV for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 22:22:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 33A271311C0 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 22:22:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 22:22:53 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548829373; bh=7T9jHpQDXPL3j+clAXMaJwzeZnGbK3cHT55Zb+q2o+k=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=OzFdgL4VUYJoOPQH2t4vhbONNVRapNKznjyR7ex/OMPHswqm+BJuPs3h57PMQbMIF HqCKGIKlkbW6KC9bi8CQeBEorxGcBDS3qmikljOuBJ07rbXt00ltbR9GeXTiYi6kcK kKd00JCKcsOayuKX/WwyCjN2lYmviCt1BDNaurzA= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Should retiring all CIDs be an error? (#2101) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c5142bd4eebb_52753fd5ef2d45c485438f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 06:22:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c5142bd4eebb_52753fd5ef2d45c485438f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not "used in order," but you can't use the CID after retiring it. One of those two packets would violate that. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2101#issuecomment-458826886 ----==_mimepart_5c5142bd4eebb_52753fd5ef2d45c485438f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Not "used in order," but you can't use the CID after retiring it. One of those two packets would violate that.

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Tokyo conclusion: the principle here is that we want to use the highest level we know the peer to be able to read. Reassign to editorial to a) include this principle, and b) make the text clearer.

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Just checking what my code does: at the end of the idle period, the server just gets rid of the connection. No message, no draining period. Maybe this is a bug, but it felt right...

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Tokyo conclusion: Forbidding the server from responding in this window = is not great. We will drop the closing/draining period after an idle timeo= ut and have the endpoint just drop state.

@ianswett suggested that you could send the CONNECTION_CLOSE that = you might have otherwise sent, but it is easier to just shortcut the closin= g period.

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Amendment based on discussion: suggest setting the idle timeout to max(idle_timeout, 3*PTO) to avoid pathological cases.

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----==_mimepart_5c5147a71fd99_57fd3fd0d24d45bc15744c-- From nobody Tue Jan 29 22:53:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A38E130F40 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 22:53:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.935 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5iVnRcjGC974 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 22:53:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C65B130F0A for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 22:53:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 22:53:50 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548831230; bh=r4FuXoMdklR3dXeldt8Kf5rW06I3Mnqv7sjYgyF7p+I=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=pYOOoXl0bO59eWHkQnng7V4oDdXYwwjWacrWD7Bq9nqFZuJUAVyERx6/RV2riPuNX atjuyWRwWZ/Ik/6lum80O6iGuHewkxI6KuQnH+FgDEy12M4s60zDTviVhaMWeIDxiW kz8zPqijb0f9PA9r3+KeIQf2PORbCYjib0OVGiEo= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Dead path timeout (#1638) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c5149fe6bc05_550a3feb90ed45c0192412"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 06:53:54 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c5149fe6bc05_550a3feb90ed45c0192412 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tokyo conclusion: this is not a normative requirement. A little bit of text about the need to declare paths and not connections dead in response to connectivity issues might be added to transport. Marking editorial. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1638#issuecomment-458832907 ----==_mimepart_5c5149fe6bc05_550a3feb90ed45c0192412 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Tokyo conclusion: this is not a normative requirement. A little bit of text about the need to declare paths and not connections dead in response to connectivity issues might be added to transport. Marking editorial.

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Closed #2118.

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PR #2108 was merged and @igorlord agrees that the issue is fixed.

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----==_mimepart_5c514a609ad5_747d3fb91ead45b41216f5-- From nobody Tue Jan 29 23:13:46 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07BB41311D5 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 23:13:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QHJIcu0-uj6r for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 23:13:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B3D71311D3 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 23:13:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 23:13:42 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548832422; bh=zXACNOc3evgk/5bMI330FTPcUwbfmuNqW5g6Jw71MpM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Yz/R6MwRZfl0qFAqlZ5ScwlRRCdKvORMyQTnXwvyoJD7hmgxdRGa0356gX4dQaJR9 h/d7xEjz6StaQkKPpn631b4xi9ZdZrCCHEwJ8NMoI6Jd06/OjQIXvwOd8vOh151SH7 jC/d4Bp3DFG6JKLW5QqeXbT0HWvDqGOUxg23RTZ0= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Spoofed connection migration as a DoS vector (#2342) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c514ea6cf4a_32d03ff316ad45b4595334"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 07:13:45 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c514ea6cf4a_32d03ff316ad45b4595334 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tokyo conclusion: with our answer to #2143, the endpoint that disables migration will have to do the full migration machinery. If it doesn't do that work, then the server needs to drop the packet (thereby ignoring it). Note that it can't send a stateless reset here, because that would produce the attack in a different form - our existing text on defense against stateless reset oracles would prohibit that anyway. We should perhaps rename the transport parameter to "disable_explicit_migration" or "disable_active_migration". -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2342#issuecomment-458837019 ----==_mimepart_5c514ea6cf4a_32d03ff316ad45b4595334 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Tokyo conclusion: with our answer to #2143, the endpoint th= at disables migration will have to do the full migration machinery. If i= t doesn't do that work, then the server needs to drop the packet (thereby= ignoring it).

Note that it can't send a stateless reset here, because that would pro= duce the attack in a different form - our existing text on defense agains= t stateless reset oracles would prohibit that anyway.

We should perhaps rename the transport parameter to "disable_explicit_= migration" or "disable_active_migration".

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The mechanism for disabling migration might be clear, but it isn't clear what problems it addresses. Some more clarity on that would be useful.

What I understand this to be intended for is server deployments that can't guarantee that packets from a new source address will be routed to the same server instance.

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----==_mimepart_5c514fb1d0a6e_53c73fd3afed45b41785a2-- From nobody Tue Jan 29 23:32:51 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 916C4130F41 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 23:32:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.935 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E7jnv7HgCStu for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 23:32:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B75DA130F01 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 23:32:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 23:32:46 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548833566; bh=mSfFW0rqx6g23fbR7FAiDVhPl7mNmdMOv6GTIHc7iD4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=rQCO4rw/j9D7p/bUY2/BRIbCKs3ICk43KzL+KtoEnX9AgAWtN0yqTDtl7OfOdA3SC 281usv9NK1z0FeTaz4WSNhyjhE1+KLpKCaUTRp4qZXQPAsw3SgVpKfhpKzXKMWc2Qb +DiSV6URNQomFjoSuUZwU4WMoQqsC1V0Q60Ep9ko= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Specify IPv6 flow label for QUIC (#2348) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c51531e5d452_29383fd09f8d45b44194eb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 07:32:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c51531e5d452_29383fd09f8d45b44194eb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tokyo conclusion: sure, seems fine. Needs a PR. Assigning to @huitema. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2348#issuecomment-458841219 ----==_mimepart_5c51531e5d452_29383fd09f8d45b44194eb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Tokyo conclusion: sure, seems fine. Needs a PR. Assigning to @huitema.

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Assigning to @igorlord. Some advice on @kazuho's hack around the use of bogus long header fields would be appreciated in the form of a PR.

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Tokyo conclusion: this requires something more concrete and anything a= bout this is not going to happen for QUIC version 1. Closing this.

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Closed #632.

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Tokyo conclusion: closing.

As a connection close, this is an explicit non-goal. As a "not using this path" signal, this is extremely difficult.

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I have not studied Mike's I-D (but I should take a look). I'm not conc= erned about the details, just that it DNS becomes the "normal" way to do = resolve such things. SRV has had a history of being ignored in a chicken = and egg fashion.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c515ad155dcd_1b43fb98ced45c4829296-- From nobody Wed Jan 30 00:19:15 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED070130EFC for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 00:19:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f9DrLKxiNGH0 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 00:19:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA932128CF3 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 00:19:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 00:19:09 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548836349; bh=0ZJgpw45dTjY2M/g05kCKx2KhUpFYgCMLCt93a6Vd48=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=P6yADWdDRvIqIbh7IS7PE4k+q3ee00crrtuto4va0Mz6qbQcLuUU6GHI8F9GlvX9t QFP7N2Q0aYHB2jimf0Agr/98L8hlhXohPsHdK1TlT7gq1zeAf8nqAvdj2kwbG/klXn P9H4s6S/DXn/+ig9wxPeLwEOMZ4Y3Xs1Us8GWNI4= From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] loss of only two packets can lead to an unrecoverable situation (#2267) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c515dfdee38a_58e93fcf6c2d45bc4341c6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 08:19:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c515dfdee38a_58e93fcf6c2d45bc4341c6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perhaps another way to do this, similar to HANDSHAKE_DONE, would be to have a KEY_RETIRE frame that be used to throw the Initial and Handshake keys away individually. This might be slightly better than the proposed HANDSHAKE_DONE method proposed above because the Initial key could be thrown away earlier than the end of the handshake. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2267#issuecomment-458852679 ----==_mimepart_5c515dfdee38a_58e93fcf6c2d45bc4341c6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Perhaps another way to do this, similar to HANDSHAKE_DONE, would be to= have a KEY_RETIRE frame that be used to throw the Initial and Handshake = keys away individually. This might be slightly better than the proposed H= ANDSHAKE_DONE method proposed above because the Initial key could be thro= wn away earlier than the end of the handshake.

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Link to I-D for reference https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-schwartz-httpbis-dns-alt-svc-02

Idea is that all information defined for HTTP/ alt svc would appear in that record

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  When an ACK frame is received that establishes loss of all in-flight packets
-sent prior to a threshold number of consecutive PTOs (pto_count is more than
-kPersistentCongestionThreshold, see {{cc-consts-of-interest}}), the network is
-considered to be experiencing persistent congestion, and the sender's congestion
-window MUST be reduced to the minimum congestion window (kMinimumWindow).  This
-response of collapsing the congestion window on persistent congestion is
-functionally similar to a sender's response on a Retransmission Timeout (RTO) in
-TCP {{RFC5681}}.
+sent over a long enough period of time, the network is considered to be
+experiencing persistent congestion.  Commonly, this can be established by
+consecutive PTOs (pto_count is more than kPersistentCongestionThreshold, see
+{{cc-consts-of-interest}}), but since the PTO timer is reset when a new
+ack-eliciting packet is sent, an explicit duration must be used to account for
+those cases where PTOs do not occur or are substantially delayed.

Add: This duration is the equivalent of kPersistentCongestionThreshold consecutive PTOS, smoothed_rtt + 4 * rttvar + max_ack_delay * ((2 ^ kPersistentCongestionThreshold) - 1)

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You send immediate acks when there's an out of order packet or an ECN mark.

Honestly, I like the 'send one immediate ack per out of order packet' text I had earlier, because it parallels the ECN text nicely, but this is fine as well.

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----==_mimepart_5c51690c55c9e_22243fa50fed45c415867a-- From nobody Wed Jan 30 01:15:26 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DA94128CB7 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 01:15:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.148 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.148 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G4uLZBHlrw-p for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 01:15:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 554AE130F2F for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 01:15:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=oYnqfJ0HeMY9dQUpmr3BXi517OE=; b=FE6KhTT4V0P3v289 Djb0OFE7ziWCOe4Yreyh4tJFvtmAQtuDd/RyMI/fYW85WSZiDM1UGiTMpBSqulja xOhmxSn+GdqX0GiTeC9/ZIrmGNcDnmN/9SVb0uJSac+HF9sKBNGZ83zPWJH0tOWE N7XzLGNGua9YfPUyAxbnX0MHGjc= Received: by filter0801p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0801p1las1-30583-5C516B29-13 2019-01-30 09:15:21.449432373 +0000 UTC m=+123197.318035242 Received: from github-lowworker-fc273f0.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.33]) by ismtpd0015p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id uyraaZ6_TCqyRXnnobUk4w for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 09:15:21.240 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-fc273f0.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38C49C0A8D for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 01:15:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 09:15:21 +0000 (UTC) From: Sean Turner Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] capitalizing destination connection ID (#2392) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c516b2937718_68223fba66ed45bc4141b8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: seanturner X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1G71w6POlmyzoYGODI0pbSETGBwbUCaq9HvX LlCJEPTRQX+esDBmZfcMujzC5xrnbL4s6YVaIJ7Ua2VDkoIsjkOKVy0quy5Rz1pKtPUk7C6vZayeJQ U+YrXeTq8mpD76sYqT2g+C9EC5rVXd27I7wTdqGg/Wz5DzRuImWxuFffPzVsLGVcftakSfQVSEdrcE I= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 09:15:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c516b2937718_68223fba66ed45bc4141b8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2392 -- Commit Summary -- * capitalizing destination connection ID -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (4) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2392.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2392.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2392 ----==_mimepart_5c516b2937718_68223fba66ed45bc4141b8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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----==_mimepart_5c516e22b310d_5f9e3fe578ad45c4811f0-- From nobody Wed Jan 30 02:01:48 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2516130F37 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 02:01:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bvRDKe47erj3 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 02:01:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F2DE130F2F for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 02:01:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 02:01:39 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548842499; bh=dRWqzIHdw4DX1DBkP9NWGUhWx1hFZgslhymFSf1+/MQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=1RRsLdexLtTBS3vlmAFfQ+B7NVRQtZ3gY1B7FfEJjwUtJXja5e8vjyAE9oATHHDPb ICQE/k0WLV7mEdCIPsLrWMCwlCeeviCeGHmoohjO14jYsesMxyQZbtLTrZ1Q+C/GLt S1mjFaQx/imezRuZlklm3pYmG61hlivqpclIUmPs= From: "Philipp S. Tiesel" Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP/QUIC without Alt-Svc? (#253) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c51760322209_6d013fece7ad45bc375195"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: philsbln X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 10:01:47 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c51760322209_6d013fece7ad45bc375195 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @mikkelfj Putting the information whether QUIC is available in an ALTSVC DNS record does not eliminate the need for using Happy Eyeballs: If UDP to the announced port is blocked for the client, the client has to timeout otherwise. Still, having an ALTSVC DNS record would help to correctly tune the timings and probing probabilities for Happy Eyeballs. @LPardue I see no problems with combining Happy Eyeballs and connection coalescing, but the relationship between them should really be defined somewhere. For me, connection coalescing opportunities are roughly the same thing as candidates for doing Happy Eyeballs, and should get as such at least 1 RTT advantage. So, in practice, try whether connection coalescing works, it it is slow or is behaving strangely, start making new connections with Happy Eyeballs. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/253#issuecomment-458884416 ----==_mimepart_5c51760322209_6d013fece7ad45bc375195 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@mikkelfj Putting the information whether QUIC is available = in an ALTSVC DNS record does not eliminate the need for using Happy Eyeba= lls: If UDP to the announced port is blocked for the client, the client h= as to timeout otherwise. Still, having an ALTSVC DNS record would help to= correctly tune the timings and probing probabilities for Happy Eyeballs.=

@LPardue I see no problems with combining Happy Eyeballs and= connection coalescing, but the relationship between them should really b= e defined somewhere. For me, connection coalescing opportunities are roug= hly the same thing as candidates for doing Happy Eyeballs, and should get= as such at least 1 RTT advantage. So, in practice, try whether connectio= n coalescing works, it it is slow or is behaving strangely, start making = new connections with Happy Eyeballs.

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I was thinking about a QUIC preload list, but putting Alt=E2=80=91Svc = into DNS works too.

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Also, it might be a good idea to put HSTS into DNS too, since the HSTS= preload list won=E2=80=99t scale well, but that=E2=80=99s a separate pro= posal.

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Having skimmed the ALTSVC DNS I-D, my only immediate concern is that it would probably be cumbersome for administrators to type ALTSVC into your typical DNS admin panel, whereas TXT would be easy, if the format is readable.

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ALTSVC DNS record does not eliminate the need for using Happy Eyeballs

Maybe not, but it does eliminate the need to wait for an Alt-Svc header response where there might not be an endpoint listening on tcp port 80, or the client does not have a TCP stack.

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Maybe ALTSVC is a bit misleading, if QUIC goes on to be a primary service rather than an alternative to something existing. I would be better if QUIC HTTP/3 could announce itself on neutral ground, although I agree that strong interop with current HTTP is important.

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FWIW, quic-ah proposes to used the ex= tension field of the ESNI DNS Record to designate the QUIC version the se= rver supports.

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Anyways, I think we agree that HTTP3 can be used if there is an arrang= ement, regardless of what it is; e.g. alt-svc header, alt-svc record, ESN= I record...

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The question is if we should allow use of HTTP3 without prior arrangem= ent.

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I think we should allow that. There=E2=80=99s not always going to be D= NS (consider DoH, which will benefit from HTTP3 not having HoLB), and bei= ng able to connect using HTTP3 from the first connection helps in certain= deployments that we can be fairly certain that there is no firewall in b= etween (e.g. server-to-server traffic).

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The question is if we should allow use of HTTP3 without prior arrangement.

I think we should allow that.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
      // Start a new congestion epoch if the last lost packet
      // is past the end of the previous recovery epoch.
-     CongestionEvent(largest_lost_packet.time_sent)
+     CongestionEvent(newest_lost_packet.time_sent)
+
+     // Collapse congestion window if persistent congestion
+     if (InPersistentCongestion(oldest_lost_packet.time_sent)):

I'm starting to think we should pass in congestion_period and make it oldest_lost_packet - newest_lost_packet.

I think using Now() may be incorrect. What if one packet is lost and then a few ACKs are lost. In this case, Now() is substantially larger than oldest_lost_packet, but in fact only one packet was lost.

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This -response of collapsing the congestion window on persistent congestion is -functionally similar to a sender's response on a Retransmission Timeout (RTO) in -TCP {{RFC5681}}. +sent over a long enough period of time, the network is considered to be +experiencing persistent congestion. Commonly, this can be established by +consecutive PTOs, but since the PTO timer is reset when a new ack-eliciting +packet is sent, an explicit duration must be used to account for those cases +where PTOs do not occur or are substantially delayed. This duration is the +equivalent of kPersistentCongestionThreshold consecutive PTOS, smoothed_rtt + +4 * rttvar + max_ack_delay * ((2 ^ kPersistentCongestionThreshold) - 1). Q for here and below: Should max_ack_delay be added after exponential backoff, instead of before? Adding it after incentivizes implementations to indicate a realistic value, since an unrealistic one just adds to rttvar, which seems desirable. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2365#pullrequestreview-198054430 ----==_mimepart_5c519aba4eb7c_5c823ff7e16d45c074367 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  When an ACK frame is received that establishes loss of all in-flight packets
-sent prior to a threshold number of consecutive PTOs (pto_count is more than
-kPersistentCongestionThreshold, see {{cc-consts-of-interest}}), the network is
-considered to be experiencing persistent congestion, and the sender's congestion
-window MUST be reduced to the minimum congestion window (kMinimumWindow).  This
-response of collapsing the congestion window on persistent congestion is
-functionally similar to a sender's response on a Retransmission Timeout (RTO) in
-TCP {{RFC5681}}.
+sent over a long enough period of time, the network is considered to be
+experiencing persistent congestion.  Commonly, this can be established by
+consecutive PTOs, but since the PTO timer is reset when a new ack-eliciting
+packet is sent, an explicit duration must be used to account for those cases
+where PTOs do not occur or are substantially delayed.  This duration is the
+equivalent of kPersistentCongestionThreshold consecutive PTOS, smoothed_rtt +
+4 * rttvar + max_ack_delay * ((2 ^ kPersistentCongestionThreshold) - 1).

Q for here and below: Should max_ack_delay be added after exponential backoff, instead of before? Adding it after incentivizes implementations to indicate a realistic value, since an unrealistic one just adds to rttvar, which seems desirable.

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Ah, I didn't really intend that an implementation HAD to use this algo= rithm. An implementation can use any algorithm that produces correct resu= lts (or not decode at all, per @dtikhonov's impl that uses th= e wrapped value to index directly). Given that it's easy to screw up the = algorithm, I like having the psuedocode for copy-and-paste/no brainer.

Therefore, let me make that clear and add normative language = for all error cases, but I may also add the check to the algorithm.

I understand. In this case, I support adding normative language for c= hecks.

Honestly, I interpret "the decoder reconstructs the Required Insert Co= unt using the following algorithm" as indicating that the implementation = must use an algorithm that has the exact same behavior as the pseudo-code= . Therefore I propose that the error check is added to the pseudo-code a= s well.

Maybe the text could be changed to something like "The decoder reconst= ructs the Required Insert Count. If the decoder encounters an EncodedIns= ertCount value that could not have been produced by a conformant encoder,= then the decoder MUST signal a stream error. An example algorithm to de= code the Required Insert Count is the following.". This would indicate t= o me that the pseudo-code is non-normative. But I am also just fine with= the current text, as long as the requirements (on error checking and eve= rything else) are spelled out both in the text (because you interpret tha= t as normative) and in pseudo-code (because I interpret that as normative= ). Having consistent text + pseudo-code sounds like a good idea anyway.<= /p>

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Getting this right seems like an arcane art, or luck, or both :)

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  When an ACK frame is received that establishes loss of all in-flight packets
-sent prior to a threshold number of consecutive PTOs (pto_count is more than
-kPersistentCongestionThreshold, see {{cc-consts-of-interest}}), the network is
-considered to be experiencing persistent congestion, and the sender's congestion
-window MUST be reduced to the minimum congestion window (kMinimumWindow).  This
-response of collapsing the congestion window on persistent congestion is
-functionally similar to a sender's response on a Retransmission Timeout (RTO) in
-TCP {{RFC5681}}.
+sent over a long enough period of time, the network is considered to be
+experiencing persistent congestion.  Commonly, this can be established by
+consecutive PTOs, but since the PTO timer is reset when a new ack-eliciting
+packet is sent, an explicit duration must be used to account for those cases
+where PTOs do not occur or are substantially delayed.  This duration is the
+equivalent of kPersistentCongestionThreshold consecutive PTOS, smoothed_rtt +
+4 * rttvar + max_ack_delay * ((2 ^ kPersistentCongestionThreshold) - 1).

The order is the same in SetLossDetectionTimer:

    timeout =
      smoothed_rtt + 4 * rttvar + max_ack_delay
    timeout = max(timeout, kGranularity)
    timeout = timeout * (2 ^ pto_count)```
Though, on a side issue, I feel the `kGranularity` check should be moved to the end of that calculation...

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----==_mimepart_5c5216334a9f0_11e63fe92bcd45c0186542-- From nobody Wed Jan 30 13:28:49 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3C6A131024 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 13:28:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 87rUvljtUItk for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 13:28:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D990130FF4 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 13:28:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 13:28:45 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548883725; bh=tvfHJ/FEUeg132hgn1cXJ1V1sPnwHgvBv9e0CVfDFg8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=y/LDAvUyd353lzHIlEuIjU7b4tryLIZ01yA4D2pl8N0PY2f0cx6nxvD1IcTWGXuwu DAcioBrpz6HYzkTfXLbxoTTxQcSnybTqmS1DOm2jTgNkcR3wye40YTY3Tc/0090jtR 0sH6Rrp7zVhdJeofWOlcnDoV2TZ4E8BA1m2EDHMg= From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Persistent Congestion Time Threshold (#2365) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c52170d41662_57c23fd97e8d45b8301320"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 21:28:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c52170d41662_57c23fd97e8d45b8301320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nibanks commented on this pull request. > // Start a new congestion epoch if the last lost packet // is past the end of the previous recovery epoch. - CongestionEvent(largest_lost_packet.time_sent) + CongestionEvent(newest_lost_packet.time_sent) + + // Collapse congestion window if persistent congestion + if (InPersistentCongestion(oldest_lost_packet.time_sent)): Since this only happens in response to an ACK, IF we made any change, I think the change would need to be congestion_time equals the time between the oldest packet lost and the oldest packet acknowledged. That being said, I'm not convinced we really need to make that change. For instance, when comparing to TCP RTO, it's a timer from the oldest packet (or ACK) to Now(). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2365#discussion_r252444932 ----==_mimepart_5c52170d41662_57c23fd97e8d45b8301320 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@nibanks commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
      // Start a new congestion epoch if the last lost packet
      // is past the end of the previous recovery epoch.
-     CongestionEvent(largest_lost_packet.time_sent)
+     CongestionEvent(newest_lost_packet.time_sent)
+
+     // Collapse congestion window if persistent congestion
+     if (InPersistentCongestion(oldest_lost_packet.time_sent)):

Since this only happens in response to an ACK, IF we made any change, I think the change would need to be congestion_time equals the time between the oldest packet lost and the oldest packet acknowledged. That being said, I'm not convinced we really need to make that change. For instance, when comparing to TCP RTO, it's a timer from the oldest packet (or ACK) to Now().

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  When an ACK frame is received that establishes loss of all in-flight packets
-sent prior to a threshold number of consecutive PTOs (pto_count is more than
-kPersistentCongestionThreshold, see {{cc-consts-of-interest}}), the network is
-considered to be experiencing persistent congestion, and the sender's congestion
-window MUST be reduced to the minimum congestion window (kMinimumWindow).  This
-response of collapsing the congestion window on persistent congestion is
-functionally similar to a sender's response on a Retransmission Timeout (RTO) in
-TCP {{RFC5681}}.
+sent over a long enough period of time, the network is considered to be
+experiencing persistent congestion.  Commonly, this can be established by
+consecutive PTOs, but since the PTO timer is reset when a new ack-eliciting
+packet is sent, an explicit duration must be used to account for those cases
+where PTOs do not occur or are substantially delayed.  This duration is the
+equivalent of kPersistentCongestionThreshold consecutive PTOS, smoothed_rtt +
+4 * rttvar + max_ack_delay * ((2 ^ kPersistentCongestionThreshold) - 1).

Agreed, what you have matches the current pseudocode. I'll open an issue for kGranularity and max_ack_delay and when they should be added.

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Right now, exponential backoff occurs last. But it's reasonable to consider adding/maxing them at the end after exponential backoff.

On the one hand, the current pseudocode provides true exponential backoff. On the other hand, it might be overly conservative in some cases. This only applies on subsequent PTOs, so maybe this is an academic question.

I'm opening this in the interest in discussing design issues on issues and not on PRs, but I'm also fine with it being closed as not being important and/or needing more information.

This came up in #2365

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If a Man on the Side attacker (A) is able to observe a Retry token from server (S) intended for a legitimate client (C), then (A) can either race (C) to use the token, or hope that the token can be reused within a limited time frame and use the token if if (C) has already done so.

(A) can now start a new apparently legitimate connection by spoofing the source address to that of (C) since it can observe packets sent to that address.

If (S) issued the Retry token in the hope of verifying that it speaks to a trusted machine on the network, then (A) might be able escalate privilege to that of (C).

The defence would be for (S) to not authenticate (C) based solely on its IP, but the Retry facility might lead some operators to believe that a Retry is a reasonably safe identity mechanism.

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I also agree kGranularity and max_ack_delay should be applied after the exponential; especially kGranularity which is only there to account for clocks/timers that have a minimum time you can set. No need to compound that inaccuracy inside the exponent.

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[ci skip] From nobody Wed Jan 30 15:32:03 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0F8C130F03 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 15:32:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aeP5PM8e0Jax for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 15:32:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D545D130EBF for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 15:31:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 15:31:58 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548891118; bh=EnBSISVp6x34/FfFUZikH8/nUK1w2Lq4mI6jaOV2zc4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Mw8krfCeOD05vM5yiDJNx41V1T3mgB76ERLJzJax2Kx3wkOFKKJLECnTr/MamEM6a GGj7LP7yCB97AoQqGkm2++SVmKntVUfuKzLHCH1xOSuTJ8Y2n0PDJV/GM/fLSL5Gk8 BjtcuzkbeAgxj+xknC+AWo5nngRGKGeQM/NReE/I= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP/3 should use TLV (#2395) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c5233eecd276_22f53fcf0d0d45b41667c7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 23:32:02 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c5233eecd276_22f53fcf0d0d45b41667c7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit TLS uses TLV and QUIC use TV. HTTP/2 uses LTV, but HTTP/3 frames are so different from HTTP/2's frames that there's no code reuse benefit of LTV, so making HTTP/3 similar to those two seems like a better choice in my opinion. Benefits originally cited: You can switch on the frame type before you even read a variable-length value You can have special-case (negotiated) frame types with no lengths As discussed in #2235 -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2395 ----==_mimepart_5c5233eecd276_22f53fcf0d0d45b41667c7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

TLS uses TLV and QUIC use TV. HTTP/2 uses LTV, but HTTP/3 frames are so different from HTTP/2's frames that there's no code reuse benefit of LTV, so making HTTP/3 similar to those two seems like a better choice in my opinion.

Benefits originally cited:
You can switch on the frame type before you even read a variable-length value
You can have special-case (negotiated) frame types with no lengths

As discussed in #2235

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Multiple HTTP/3 frames have lengths, but do not require the length to deserialize.

On the serialization side, those require extra work to determine the size before serializing them, which may or may not be easy. SETTINGs is fairly complex because it's a series of varints, so you either need to do a two-pass serialization or write the SETTINGs and then go back and write the length(possibly assuming it's a 2 byte length?).

On the parsing side, extra work is required to verify that the parsed length matches the specified length.

This also wastes a byte or two in a few cases.

I suggest we use the principle that if it's easier to serialize and deserialize without a frame length then the length should be omitted.

Related to #2395

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----==_mimepart_5c523666eb2a1_28e23f912aed45b869589-- From nobody Wed Jan 30 16:06:39 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1273D130EBB for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 16:06:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.552 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.552 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6u6TfEB__Gn5 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 16:06:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-9.smtp.github.com (out-9.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A8BED12E7C1 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 16:06:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 16:06:36 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548893196; bh=Suh+vXyaqF4lMyvIUbbhlDzhb8Ilo3G4cDIezvR8764=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Ek4Uh9+S8DWs88Ryj+Q9adIqsOuMNgjvk+2lgyLFItACT/uUBSIEUS2UaosHhq6gP MppfrXQb9BduiTMSdnLcQtXoth8uro8+YRXP/iaMJMsTpAhR1B9b1c/oiEfF3YMKyl E8VxVFqhzICBvvqZzmPRWCLrOGEv05W3WUq56l4w= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Spoofed retry token attack on IP authentication (#2394) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c523c0c17fbc_33dc3fb8ac4d45b43491cd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2019 00:06:38 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c523c0c17fbc_33dc3fb8ac4d45b43491cd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @marten-seemann mentioned that a retry always lands on the same server so it is feasible to require a reset token to always be accepted at most once (assuming there is a reasonable timeout). However, (A) can then still race (C) to gain privilege. A less likely attack is that (A) downloads a large file to flood (C) since (C) gets mirrored traffic. But (A) must also be able accept the traffic to maintain ACK's. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2394#issuecomment-459161801 ----==_mimepart_5c523c0c17fbc_33dc3fb8ac4d45b43491cd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@marten-seemann mentioned that a retry always lands o= n the same server so it is feasible to require a reset token to always be= accepted at most once (assuming there is a reasonable timeout).

However, (A) can then still race (C) to gain privilege.

A less likely attack is that (A) downloads a large file to flood (C) s= ince (C) gets mirrored traffic. But (A) must also be able accept the traf= fic to maintain ACK's.

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Consensus on Slack seems to be that a server should set the version field of a Retry packet to v1 (i.e., echo the version from the client Initial ), and that a client should verify that a received Retry packet echoes the version it sent.

However, I cannot find corresponding text in the documents.

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I think the text is now clear, although technically the MAY is redundant. Please ship it, and I'll see if I can wordsmith something better.

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[ci skip] From nobody Wed Jan 30 16:26:28 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11A38130E25 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 16:26:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UgXG4VkF3tjm for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 16:26:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 609D712E7C1 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 16:26:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 16:26:24 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548894384; bh=4/JLvzi6W26zueWaugiOBmQbO5Frq/OXD1cammle+wA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=0j55SsUSyfyXsG9445bGxg7wQ0P9s7q7xHHXiK/nMm26ht/oXRrn9oS+Q1JcnKEnk tfWmfSTgc8z7kJ44H/aLYKTGLzAGwYnxj8qhhKO09m59K8FoOjKl8cwUuqco8T4W5H Q9Ur0rpTrceVS6gW2tYQ63MES7rWd5x7M8iYcpL4= From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] "Invariant check" for any inbound LH packet (#2397) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c5240b082b43_55e13f831e8d45c41481fd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2019 00:26:27 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c5240b082b43_55e13f831e8d45c41481fd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Talking to @nibanks, the issue should maybe be rephrased more generally, in that the document should make it clear(er) that incoming long-header packets need to pass an "invariant check" before any further processing. 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Talking to @nibanks, the issue should maybe be rephrased mo= re generally, in that the document should make it clear(er) that incoming= long-header packets need to pass an "invariant check" before any further= processing. The version match check on Retry is part of that more genera= l check. Renaming the issue accordingly.

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@marten-seemann is happy closing this. We will not enforce minimum-length encoding.

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Well, Retry is a packet type defined in version 1. If you receive a v2 packet and you don't speak v2, you have no idea what that packet means, even if it superficially looks like a Retry packet.

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Tokyo conclusion: @marten-seemann might send an editorial PR that describes the trap here. Or might close it instead.

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----==_mimepart_5c52445a785de_72bb3fc4b38d45c0103934-- From nobody Wed Jan 30 16:52:20 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A28091286D9 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 16:52:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eji3zQgA-kl9 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 16:52:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C515C126CC7 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 16:52:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 16:52:15 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548895935; bh=mtRKPG1obVsWa8rdCFhRFFCFKnOAgG/de6yJLC/SWhY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=enOuhCTrmLMUB8suAlWymanW4J92unleN0KDM43yR9NVxVnX6G1qBgLfUxlh1gGTr 3ADEvdrbIRDTE7iCR0mCGryMVQidceGMk0VnsSoEADPn/KwI7aCwEv85qw/zsOS+Ov OdGEILlFT5WmxERksVeR2LFyoBVwJr9DpeFeO82Q= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] 0-RTT flow control limits can't be increased (#2360) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c5246bf69b87_51743fe2a6ed45b875158"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2019 00:52:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c5246bf69b87_51743fe2a6ed45b875158 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tokyo conclusion: we will prohibit the client from sending more than the remembered flow control limits (nothing from the new transport parameters or 1-RTT packets can be used to increase the window). Some debate about requiring servers to enforce this requirement, decided not to require the generation of a connection error. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2360#issuecomment-459171200 ----==_mimepart_5c5246bf69b87_51743fe2a6ed45b875158 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Tokyo conclusion: we will prohibit the client from sending more than t= he remembered flow control limits (nothing from the new transport paramet= ers or 1-RTT packets can be used to increase the window). Some debate ab= out requiring servers to enforce this requirement, decided not to require= the generation of a connection error.

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@LPardue we need to mandate that non-negotiated extension frames have lengths. If you've established that both endpoints support a particular extension, then you can send the corresponding length-less extension frames

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Also, from 5.2.1:

If a client receives a packet that has an unsupported version, it MUST discard that packet.

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----==_mimepart_5c5247207d007_9b53ff48ced45c0123429-- From nobody Wed Jan 30 16:56:41 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6F24130E25 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 16:56:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.935 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TOUBVYcKk6Gk for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 16:56:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0373F126CC7 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 16:56:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 16:56:36 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548896196; bh=JmqIezoue/NFT30I3g1bwnyM5mjnrxirqRkED0zSzXM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Tu3mMntMFrZbkiCyOEbnOCroILi3qe6hhX59PfHndEo+I7ElbtQ0DOQdEb5wCk6tt 0nLDZeZfvYH0Dzz4mQWHaHa1UpzInPCq3zDBP4848ByokmHCRQ3rexuP6/OZQksyVV UlaKyyuyMmsClQ5WuMw/iaBvaARwvUcPJayL6NXY= From: David Schinazi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Extension poster-child (#1482) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c5247c43188_332d3fbbb5ed45bc1883f8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DavidSchinazi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2019 00:56:40 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c5247c43188_332d3fbbb5ed45bc1883f8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The extension @martinthomson mentioned has been written up as: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pauly-quic-datagram -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1482#issuecomment-459172105 ----==_mimepart_5c5247c43188_332d3fbbb5ed45bc1883f8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The extension @martinthomson mentioned has been written up as: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pauly-quic-datagram

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I agree, I misread Ian's final sentence on this issue

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----==_mimepart_5c524a07e45fd_58e93f95042d45b4184421-- From nobody Wed Jan 30 17:10:02 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9339126CC7 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 17:10:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1xFj1bSlqcag for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 17:09:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 291CE12008A for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 17:09:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 17:09:58 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548896998; bh=Ae2XAdWXkPG+aMFORC78k8VT9A4IbkW++2UN2OIngBo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=JmgUGmIzlH0VNES29AvAwOmUiBgswZIQf2uGlpE1B7TS2SoXSH9OffbMfVzqFBbmh 6VmouNmjLgoegYQ3LYg3/1ik9jBgF5Wojk4QclpTEcjF6AjFOaOX2oCx/mEJyiNuwr SirmrchyFk7xKjip8Zua51/IlRtWPftW2IBty1pk= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] RESET_STREAM should be allowed in 0-RTT packets (#2344) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c524ae62481e_225a3f904ced45c42569e1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2019 01:10:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c524ae62481e_225a3f904ced45c42569e1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am concerned with the attack in which the 0-RTT data is replayed by a third party, maybe also with a replayed "retry token". Do we want more than 3 packets there? Do we really want to allow sending a large flow control window of data? Also, 0-RTT may very well be rejected by the server. Sending something that changes connection state looks weird, because all these frames can be dropped. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2344#issuecomment-459174972 ----==_mimepart_5c524ae62481e_225a3f904ced45c42569e1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I am concerned with the attack in which the 0-RTT data is replayed by = a third party, maybe also with a replayed "retry token". Do we want more = than 3 packets there? Do we really want to allow sending a large flow con= trol window of data?

Also, 0-RTT may very well be rejected by the server. Sending something= that changes connection state looks weird, because all these frames can = be dropped.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c524ae62481e_225a3f904ced45c42569e1-- From nobody Wed Jan 30 17:14:26 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4840F130E25 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IjWPj5eh4uob for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 372BD126CC7 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 17:14:22 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548897262; bh=jCsWbKgm155AXKgtnIC943opm+t4+j74evSocIAnKh8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=in6dBCqQjyGPUp3+eYJIrMgKQv/mh2OVTycPaQKwFk/n9NSa0r35nXXAB3Fc02DgW eA9n8A9xvp6j9vLxxsQF5ug40/bjsVobd5QHeHA0/33cCV2MEDYa+5oB1oiZIy+mfZ VkQ5swgnW0VcJhS8AX+Q+SpguFfdoGJpU6qGinOc= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] RESET_STREAM should be allowed in 0-RTT packets (#2344) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c524bee298f5_13103f9f7d0d45c4103250"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2019 01:14:25 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c524bee298f5_13103f9f7d0d45c4103250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tokyo conclusion: limit this to stuff we know that we need. This leaves CONNECTION_CLOSE, NEW_CONNECTION_ID, PATH_CHALLENGE, PATH_RESPONSE, and PING out for the moment, but if we identify a need, we would do the analysis regarding safety and make a decision. This means that extensions would need to make their own assessment about safety. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2344#issuecomment-459175894 ----==_mimepart_5c524bee298f5_13103f9f7d0d45c4103250 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Tokyo conclusion: limit this to stuff we know that we need. This leav= es CONNECTION_CLOSE, NEW_CONNECTION_ID, PATH_CHALLENGE, PATH_RESPONSE, an= d PING out for the moment, but if we identify a need, we would do the ana= lysis regarding safety and make a decision. This means that extensions w= ould need to make their own assessment about safety.

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I think we need a complementary analysis on expected server behavior. For example, if MAX DATA increase, does that mean sending that much data right now, or does that mean sending a small amount now, and wait until handshake complete to send more?

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This is very valuable for long delay links. Other wise, the short window limits interacts with congestion control and results in very slow ramp-up of the congestion window.

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----==_mimepart_5c52503c70922_75383facafed45b867663b-- From nobody Wed Jan 30 17:32:55 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA96A130EBA for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 17:32:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.935 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bQ7bhKeYx0Ty for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 17:32:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 06980126C01 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 17:32:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 17:32:48 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548898368; bh=j5szjotUaCf1nyVQik2+5JpsDprti4/yytV8fOMrqec=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=aTb26fmZoqZ4yd43/qwX6Zj0RAOoT+hh6Oa3q7epwicvCswEPx/Gf71fdk1UBLn50 UeeifWMMHEf/hlK0J2632fyfR8RvWrf8SkNjocZ+fJmdIqXtO1JiXChOioaTdFhWnu DTSZCIVL5QT96Ncyv/Oqz6et4kA8kRRB5yTQLpHc= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Increasing initial flow control window for streams (#219) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c5250402197b_12663faa24ad45b88278f4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2019 01:32:51 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c5250402197b_12663faa24ad45b88278f4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tokyo conclusion: it might be nice to have a facility that allowed a client to send updated transport parameters under encryption, and the flow control characteristics are not optimal, but we don't see a strong reason to do this. Flipping to quicv2 and maybe considering this as a protocol extension. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/219#issuecomment-459179645 ----==_mimepart_5c5250402197b_12663faa24ad45b88278f4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Tokyo conclusion: it might be nice to have a facility that allowed a c= lient to send updated transport parameters under encryption, and the flow= control characteristics are not optimal, but we don't see a strong reaso= n to do this.

Flipping to quicv2 and maybe considering this as a protocol extension.=

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= ----==_mimepart_5c5250402197b_12663faa24ad45b88278f4-- From nobody Wed Jan 30 17:36:25 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A649126CC7 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 17:36:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yNnGsb388ehZ for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 17:36:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8393C124D68 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 17:36:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 17:36:20 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548898580; bh=Tabm+rFQeR5GOyUWOJVWbw7msD425qJpmdykKOTn8TY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=njTu6lW+eiUXuXhhFYggu5JS79FUf7UGtLXqxlV5OvW+IEAFkXMxhNHqk1kYj4Ci0 64ZPINhZCQJ6dqGctdu/fkPZvIz9C+S3fjKGXrg2bV4HMNP19GFLQXglZfcHfEYw5u HwNG7ELEpwZe/1jpqx5OOqdDORietf/ri82dPQ8k= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ACK Frames should be in Increasing Packet Number Order (#969) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c5251143231d_b783fa37fcd45bc594db"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2019 01:36:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c5251143231d_b783fa37fcd45bc594db Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tokyo conclusion: @nibanks wasn't even sure that this was still open. There is a trade-off here between optimizing for reading and optimizing for writing. There's an implementation overhead for things like RACK/FACK when reading in reverse order. Closing on the basis that we don't have a very good reason to change. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/969#issuecomment-459180450 ----==_mimepart_5c5251143231d_b783fa37fcd45bc594db Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Tokyo conclusion: @nibanks wasn't even sure that this was sti= ll open. There is a trade-off here between optimizing for reading and op= timizing for writing. There's an implementation overhead for things like= RACK/FACK when reading in reverse order.

Closing on the basis that we don't have a very good reason to change.<= /p>

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= ----==_mimepart_5c5251143231d_b783fa37fcd45bc594db-- From nobody Wed Jan 30 17:36:31 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F3D8124D68 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 17:36:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.935 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3gKPfvGkcn19 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 17:36:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E5104126C01 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 17:36:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 17:36:20 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548898580; bh=Alry5l923VF+yV5Oo0j3u+5ZY0xK1SHsjGMF2eqSCVE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=D8Tmevp1Oe7I3Us5tDIjmndQflSi8NDjfeSZxvkoA0KT+7iL8TiqisL6uw4+pjzTX Tiy4yKmjxqLB3Sv1q4cnOvfRKxjA68MG3M9KmSwiDc2MYxd31KGkUEcYcAtvaSGk7X 7sWsIzIixwTTCQCHZvfmYpgj8Kvwr6ptNlrv4AMA= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ACK Frames should be in Increasing Packet Number Order (#969) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c525114e858e_64c83fdd1c0d45c432433"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2019 01:36:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c525114e858e_64c83fdd1c0d45c432433 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #969. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/969#event-2108209115 ----==_mimepart_5c525114e858e_64c83fdd1c0d45c432433 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Tokyo conclusion: we already have a few candidates. There seems littl= e risk that we are going to fail in this regard. We have discussed two c= andidates in this meeting.

Also, reaffirmation that *_BLOCKED and co. are not at risk of being mo= ved out of the spec.

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Tokyo conclusion: this is a candidate for an extension.

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The congestion controller and the limitations on how many bytes can be sent to an unvalidated address are separate from flow control. What frames are permitted in 0-RTT has no bearing on those limits.

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Tokyo conclusion: v2.

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Discussed in Tokyo: conclusion will be added to #2267. We're considering a solution that addresses a number of issues.

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----==_mimepart_5c525afed03ac_69113fc7b6cd45c0127532-- From nobody Wed Jan 30 18:22:38 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97931130EBA for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 18:22:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Fu6xtBw8V2c0 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 18:22:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A44121271FF for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 18:22:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 18:22:34 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548901354; bh=wzu5mZcFY7ItItQuj8sk3xFB7QQVu1fqYHms3UpR7fI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=p+nEWNx8H/SUX9hU+YsTPyRvSQwpXd6AqSNB7OA3C2vlcneqxH4a1Da7+aPd58T8r FiXCJp0297/7iazLG5T6MQJ6HSOXE8A1vhUeda+0ePoq7J4W7kqUbQyRiOZmihd5e+ XXjp8we/EjW8k53zxbfuQlp3w6zsFsLvkujy6NiI= From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Stronger migration handshake (#2370) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c525bea5c289_de53fce618d45b8429f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2019 02:22:37 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c525bea5c289_de53fce618d45b8429f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit janaiyengar commented on this pull request. A few comments > +### Handshake Completion {#handshake-completion} + +The connection establishment handshake concludes when both parties have +successfully agreed on the protocol version and on encryption keys, and +have obtained insurance that all necessary Initial and Handshake messages +have been properly received by their peers, as defined in {{QUIC-TLS}}. + +For the server, this is achieved when the TLS stack informs the +transport that the session establishment is complete, and that the +1-RTT receive keys can now be used, as indicated in section 4.1.3 of +{{QUIC-TLS}}. + +For the client, this is achieved after the 1-RTT keys become available +when the server acknowledges either the client's Handshake message carrying +the last element of the Crypto Stream or an 1-RTT message sent by the client. +Waiting for either of these events allows the client to verify the ```suggestion Waiting for either of these events allows the client to verify that ``` > + +The connection establishment handshake concludes when both parties have +successfully agreed on the protocol version and on encryption keys, and +have obtained insurance that all necessary Initial and Handshake messages +have been properly received by their peers, as defined in {{QUIC-TLS}}. + +For the server, this is achieved when the TLS stack informs the +transport that the session establishment is complete, and that the +1-RTT receive keys can now be used, as indicated in section 4.1.3 of +{{QUIC-TLS}}. + +For the client, this is achieved after the 1-RTT keys become available +when the server acknowledges either the client's Handshake message carrying +the last element of the Crypto Stream or an 1-RTT message sent by the client. +Waiting for either of these events allows the client to verify the +completion of the handshake even in cases where the Handshake ```suggestion the handshake is complete, even in cases where acknowledgements for ``` > +The connection establishment handshake concludes when both parties have +successfully agreed on the protocol version and on encryption keys, and +have obtained insurance that all necessary Initial and Handshake messages +have been properly received by their peers, as defined in {{QUIC-TLS}}. + +For the server, this is achieved when the TLS stack informs the +transport that the session establishment is complete, and that the +1-RTT receive keys can now be used, as indicated in section 4.1.3 of +{{QUIC-TLS}}. + +For the client, this is achieved after the 1-RTT keys become available +when the server acknowledges either the client's Handshake message carrying +the last element of the Crypto Stream or an 1-RTT message sent by the client. +Waiting for either of these events allows the client to verify the +completion of the handshake even in cases where the Handshake +acknowledgement is lost. ```suggestion Handshake packets are lost. ``` > @@ -1532,6 +1532,24 @@ be unambiguously different to ensure no confusion about their interpretation. One way that a new format could be introduced is to define a TLS extension with a different codepoint. +### Handshake Completion {#handshake-completion} + +The connection establishment handshake concludes when both parties have I don't agree with some of this text, but importantly, it's more than is needed. Suggested rephrase of this paragraph, and combine this with the next paragraph: "Connection handshake is complete when version negotiation is complete and 1-RTT keys are available at both endpoints." > @@ -1532,6 +1532,24 @@ be unambiguously different to ensure no confusion about their interpretation. One way that a new format could be introduced is to define a TLS extension with a different codepoint. +### Handshake Completion {#handshake-completion} + +The connection establishment handshake concludes when both parties have +successfully agreed on the protocol version and on encryption keys, and +have obtained insurance that all necessary Initial and Handshake messages +have been properly received by their peers, as defined in {{QUIC-TLS}}. + +For the server, this is achieved when the TLS stack informs the +transport that the session establishment is complete, and that the +1-RTT receive keys can now be used, as indicated in section 4.1.3 of +{{QUIC-TLS}}. + +For the client, this is achieved after the 1-RTT keys become available +when the server acknowledges either the client's Handshake message carrying Replace "the server acknowledges ... by the client" with "either all Handshake packets or a 1-RTT packet sent by the client are acknowledged" -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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+when the server acknowledges either the client's Handshake message c=
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+the last element of the Crypto Stream or an 1-RTT message sent by the cl=
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+Waiting for either of these events allows the client to verify the=0D
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+The connection establishment handshake concludes when both parties have=0D=

+successfully agreed on the protocol version and on encryption keys, and=0D=

+have obtained insurance that all necessary Initial and Handshake message=
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+have been properly received by their peers, as defined in {{QUIC-TLS}}.=0D=

+=0D
+For the server, this is achieved when the TLS stack informs the=0D
+transport that the session establishment is complete, and that the=0D
+1-RTT receive keys can now be used, as indicated in section 4.1.3 of=0D
+{{QUIC-TLS}}.=0D
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+For the client, this is achieved after the 1-RTT keys become available =0D=

+when the server acknowledges either the client's Handshake message c=
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+the last element of the Crypto Stream or an 1-RTT message sent by the cl=
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+Waiting for either of these events allows the client to verify the=0D
+completion of the handshake even in cases where the Handshake=0D
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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ncludes when both parties have=0D
+successfully agreed on the protocol version and on encryption keys, and=0D=

+have obtained insurance that all necessary Initial and Handshake message=
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+have been properly received by their peers, as defined in {{QUIC-TLS}}.=0D=

+=0D
+For the server, this is achieved when the TLS stack informs the=0D
+transport that the session establishment is complete, and that the=0D
+1-RTT receive keys can now be used, as indicated in section 4.1.3 of=0D
+{{QUIC-TLS}}.=0D
+=0D
+For the client, this is achieved after the 1-RTT keys become available =0D=

+when the server acknowledges either the client's Handshake message c=
arrying=0D
+the last element of the Crypto Stream or an 1-RTT message sent by the cl=
ient.=0D
+Waiting for either of these events allows the client to verify the=0D
+completion of the handshake even in cases where the Handshake=0D
+acknowledgement is lost.=0D
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-acknowledgement is lost.=0D
+Handshake packets are lost.=0D
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> @@ -1532,6 +1532,24 @@ be unambiguously di=
fferent to ensure no confusion about their interpretation.=0D
 One way that a new format could be introduced is to define a TLS extensi=
on with=0D
 a different codepoint.=0D
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+### Handshake Completion {#handshake-completion}=0D
+=0D
+The connection establishment handshake concludes when both parties have=0D=
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I don't agree with some of this text, but importantly, it's more than = is needed. Suggested rephrase of this paragraph, and combine this with th= e next paragraph: "Connection handshake is complete when version negotiat= ion is complete and 1-RTT keys are available at both endpoints."

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> @@ -1532,6 +1532,24 @@ be unambiguously di=
fferent to ensure no confusion about their interpretation.=0D
 One way that a new format could be introduced is to define a TLS extensi=
on with=0D
 a different codepoint.=0D
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+### Handshake Completion {#handshake-completion}=0D
+=0D
+The connection establishment handshake concludes when both parties have=0D=

+successfully agreed on the protocol version and on encryption keys, and=0D=

+have obtained insurance that all necessary Initial and Handshake message=
s=0D
+have been properly received by their peers, as defined in {{QUIC-TLS}}.=0D=

+=0D
+For the server, this is achieved when the TLS stack informs the=0D
+transport that the session establishment is complete, and that the=0D
+1-RTT receive keys can now be used, as indicated in section 4.1.3 of=0D
+{{QUIC-TLS}}.=0D
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+For the client, this is achieved after the 1-RTT keys become available =0D=

+when the server acknowledges either the client's Handshake message c=
arrying=0D
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Replace "the server acknowledges ... by the client" with "either all H= andshake packets or a 1-RTT packet sent by the client are acknowledged"=0D =0D

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Tokyo conclusion: we will explore the addition of the proposal = @nibanks had in #2267 (comment). This will allow us= to address the multiple key update issue, and make the implicit acknowle= dgment mess transitioning from Initial to Handshake (i.e., #1951) together with the one solution.

Tentatively, the signal we're looking for is a frame that says "I have= emplaced read and write keys for epoch N". Once a peer has both sent an= d received this frame, then they can discard keys for earlier epochs (and= indeed SHOULD for Initial).

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----==_mimepart_5c525ca35f9_202c3f95334d45c410797b-- From nobody Wed Jan 30 18:39:14 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE8F7130EBA for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 18:39:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.935 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NHdRfKTrywDz for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 18:39:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 22AF71271FF for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 18:39:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 18:39:10 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548902350; bh=okWEcmxDJe+WOhTtLwCVe+odkbIQScYV1Y1SAk9R4wM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=izGBNAVgcB+FnF2ifTnhped8dcPOqaXgPiEA+NKskQ0OyLYvkeympobmXoo2pDy80 uiw3d5nbk5blLRW9ReThkPzGq6ml4Ft4XnACVyrYBTsuCg1TmXPTmmFrqXnJMHcaBk cEqIsMW/5GBgWzrajgFQCiSNtdZhJ3LCg3ciNIn4= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Is Retry a new connection or what? (#2180) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c525fce28993_73723fc6958d45b419005d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2019 02:39:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c525fce28993_73723fc6958d45b419005d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tokyo conclusion: It's the same connection. We will prohibit changing the cryptographic handshake message based on receiving Retry. You can think of this as re-sending a lost Initial. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2180#issuecomment-459192852 ----==_mimepart_5c525fce28993_73723fc6958d45b419005d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Tokyo conclusion: It's the same connection. We will prohibit changing the cryptographic handshake message based on receiving Retry.

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----==_mimepart_5c525fce28993_73723fc6958d45b419005d-- From nobody Wed Jan 30 18:44:17 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 118AD130ED6 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 18:44:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.935 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e2NBFqBY7q9v for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 18:44:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7938C130EBA for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 18:44:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 18:44:12 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548902652; bh=NdJC0e3BVNVnCwHThTWkO2zx0YCsP/zy7p6MVkfE6b4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=GhynrBLrgx0KGq4bRkiyl9T++LuNDD8JrOWkKPa8wA4D4XeJRSPfZFtFlW2PB7joT pA/s7IlI6vk1EQU5IntNX3X/HwmbY7QqawAMwJUKLqFFixp37vVu60cEWukghudmmH l7vMnzgT69nyYLujWG3pC39EsvX9TC0+jzM8jw6w= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] 1-RTT stateless rejects (#655) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c5260fc958fd_52fe3fbce40d45b82968fb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2019 02:44:15 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c5260fc958fd_52fe3fbce40d45b82968fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tokyo conclusion: @vasilvv is surprised this is still open and thought this was v2. Now it is. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/655#issuecomment-459193822 ----==_mimepart_5c5260fc958fd_52fe3fbce40d45b82968fb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Tokyo conclusion: @vasilvv is surprised this is still open and thought this was v2. Now it is.

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Tokyo conclusion: editorial. You discard packets from versions other than the negotiated version.

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In Tokyo, agreed to do this.

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Discussed in Tokyo; no opposition to this change and some support.

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Discussed in Tokyo; we like the length to be present so that we can know whether we have the entire frame before we begin parsing the frame. We have decided to keep the length field on all frames, even where redundant.

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----==_mimepart_5c52846273740_81b3f9ec36d45c411608e-- From nobody Wed Jan 30 21:15:25 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E38D51277BB for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 21:15:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.935 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WB89IjgeqcRY for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 21:15:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 07F341288BD for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 21:15:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 21:15:15 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548911715; bh=rJA0qsP7O70d+vyAD7/1dGjsY3uKRbfptZgaE22EBiw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=hoL0MzLCN3c10aD/rQTnwVpyRJaGpMFy0wJ+/b/JHvdWSTLB6oB2yaS0jkllKJaOz OAx3qE3H+FWkizcrwpcb6Ae3myEUdO9TzohAvRuNZ6+U9goe8ZehmfQXNqfp8cfzzF IISZ+PHbBryMSVfQUcXJZ5KvnBfpBblmoUJe4vAQ= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP/3 frame encodings are unnecessarily difficult to serialize and parse (#2396) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c5284633b755_5d6e3f9cc16d45b41230fa"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2019 05:15:18 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c5284633b755_5d6e3f9cc16d45b41230fa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #2396. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2396#event-2108452477 ----==_mimepart_5c5284633b755_5d6e3f9cc16d45b41230fa Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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PR reverted; reopened for discussion in Tokyo.

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Reopened #1885.

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Reopening because this was merged and then reverted without a proper resolution.

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Discussed in Tokyo; no. Security concerns, and better ways to do extensions.

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Closed #2291.

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----==_mimepart_5c5285e45c6c_88e3f9ec36d45c4127320-- From nobody Wed Jan 30 21:32:31 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C4F21288BD for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 21:32:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.935 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qvcwM7fBQj9J for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 21:32:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-14.smtp.github.com (out-14.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 64B611271FF for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 21:32:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 21:32:27 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548912747; bh=TE2TTrJYcHYPrzRQxOhFIL6G7DZ9I4YWYhlHXEop29E=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=l6jRmb5Nbp7xQC+NCB1VlOO2xt/kNCGvqtqrs3ln3HUGChVzM2ZsGnSOMP3kMDC8P 3nb4oPxInmI34EWEQLL0HLdrVhjkWfRExOEIWPkUefqxAdu+SWvX6D3scE/wGXdu/Q k/hyveGDAFUV+VSSxQoIHYJQVHNrJ1lE3wgfuwfM= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Consider making h3 frame types varint (#2253) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c52886bc1e0c_5e793f92cc4d45c41698a0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2019 05:32:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c52886bc1e0c_5e793f92cc4d45c41698a0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Discussed in Tokyo; moderate support and minimal opposition. We will do this. HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME will need to change. Two proposals: - reflect the frame type if <255, and 255 indicates "other." - reflect the low byte of the frame type; collisions should be relatively rare. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2253#issuecomment-459221367 ----==_mimepart_5c52886bc1e0c_5e793f92cc4d45c41698a0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Discussed in Tokyo; moderate support and minimal opposition. We will = do this. HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME will need to change. Two proposals:

  • reflect the frame type if <255, and 255 indicates "other."
  • reflect the low byte of the frame type; collisions should be relative= ly rare.

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----==_mimepart_5c5288fe6f89_7d7d3fdd47ed45b81829e4-- From nobody Wed Jan 30 21:52:36 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E02B1288BD for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 21:52:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G68Ts6eaaFYO for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 21:52:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2CCDB124BF6 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 21:52:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 21:52:31 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548913951; bh=ZnSUYDcNijV/6EMnm4+CoU9cwHWFAilxi4HR25stu40=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=pUU6LD0Gyzin0AkHVF1oJp6IaL3/SRjb7VlMA6dL0NuJimw0TaprKPUvfkx1xcm2x xrJUX0+8w8bGhb1n/w2yKeFquARx0HKXM1BLzzknR2B6KFzjhcC4OUjX7hHW4I3sGJ ZuenJXX8TPFF1o8/25hNkm3EBUbDD+9NNDaa5fsU= From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Varint h3 unidirectional stream types (#2275) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c528d1fca945_2ed83fa2ca0d45c41521e4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2019 05:52:35 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c528d1fca945_2ed83fa2ca0d45c41521e4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not against the idea of this. The observation I made during the discussion is that uni streams are a critical part of a H3 session. Failure to read the uni stream type successfully will be a killer: reading a single byte is more resistant to failure. I think we should put some energy into the H3 interop to try and ensure that implementations are resilient to varint stream type failures. I wonder if this can be done as a test vector, or by some other interop test design. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2275#issuecomment-459224917 ----==_mimepart_5c528d1fca945_2ed83fa2ca0d45c41521e4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm not against the idea of this. The observation I made during the di= scussion is that uni streams are a critical part of a H3 session. Failure= to read the uni stream type successfully will be a killer: reading a sin= gle byte is more resistant to failure.

I think we should put some energy into the H3 interop to try and ensur= e that implementations are resilient to varint stream type failures. I wo= nder if this can be done as a test vector, or by some other interop test = design.

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Discussed in Tokyo; this is viewed as an important optimization. Ther= e are ways to solve this by modifying the HTTP/3 framing layer, but it ha= s challenges, notably for proxies. This can be solved by extensions (EXT= ERNAL_DATA, END_OF_FRAMES). We should do so to learn more.

However, the "optimal" solution might be a QUIC stream-of-messages fea= ture in the future, which is already being discussed.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c528ded4290b_38ad3fa56e6d45b8162142-- From nobody Wed Jan 30 21:58:51 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84B7E1288BD for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 21:58:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.935 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NByJ9kOtk_gq for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 21:58:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 11E31124BF6 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 21:58:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 21:58:47 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548914327; bh=tPq0neFB9wwLmRuB+lDmIonT48Z5DfWmL1h5PWCC+a8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=xEZMNbcHy8DHbhojJVq6i65d3sXJJrCu2l6pRwj74vVkirRzRAYFvtEsD93Lyka8a joUgzgxA6PzSfhlsjeLlud+C8u5OFZ04vJBNtuvxYHCCPeXK8H1jr8HjFnF5ycxSwW AupZ7riANMmc8i+8LGarT1Q/iPcl5ZOb5Nc0oqcA= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] What indicates the end of a message? (#2230) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c528e972873e_6b33fcbea0d45bc87644"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2019 05:58:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c528e972873e_6b33fcbea0d45bc87644 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This HTTP novice was also perplexed by the relation between "content length" header and length of data frames. This might be unrelated... -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2230#issuecomment-459226015 ----==_mimepart_5c528e972873e_6b33fcbea0d45bc87644 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This HTTP novice was also perplexed by the relation between "content length" header and length of data frames. This might be unrelated...

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Discussed in Tokyo; MUST close the connection, SHOULD close with a RST.

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Discussed in Tokyo; will not change the components of messages, but will add editorial clarification about where PUSH_PROMISE can be sent.

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@MikeBishop, since the revert was partial, the net effect= of this issue was to remove the text that was forbidding DATA frames wit= h zero length.
https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-qu= ic-http-17.txt

So now the RFC is in an inconsistent state, where zero-len DATA frames= are allowed, but we don't know what they are. Are they just not an error= but should be ignored ?

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Discussed in Tokyo; after the CONNECT takes effect, all frames other than DATA are prohibited unless an extension specifically provides otherwise.

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----==_mimepart_5c528fde859de_59f33fd07ded45bc1006a5-- From nobody Wed Jan 30 22:05:11 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B295130ED6 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 22:05:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.935 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QZvo2n9lylyF for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 22:05:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D5E61288BD for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 22:05:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 22:05:07 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548914707; bh=+qpTit7E0P5CrIVcQod3PeukaSyv3e0/Rms8TS6x8PA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ky6aS1MJmBc19vpLkRXB8uEbLCU8ddGYndaJx7ibg/tAtNDNIfCZ5qRhCih27RQ9X V2lj/dH85jXM2gC8cLGKNzNaUD6RwcIJDa5p7Fp8rUCQMJ0yWnJ6c6Q2lvsZicUvcE gp/SGxhZgHsEmIsecf/dsAbpuR18Fc2gw4ldrVxs= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Why do control streams need to be typed? (#2224) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c52901371488_548b3f7efbed45b8114689"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2019 06:05:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c52901371488_548b3f7efbed45b8114689 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #2224. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2224#event-2108509070 ----==_mimepart_5c52901371488_548b3f7efbed45b8114689 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Closed #2224.

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Discussed in Tokyo; close with no action.

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Discussed in Tokyo; this doesn't need to be required server behavior, but recommended (or RECOMMENDED) as a method to clean up state. Should have a reminder cross-reference to request rejection.

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Discussed in Tokyo; this is out-of-scope for QUIC and needs to be resolved by the HTTP WG.

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FYI, I just opened httpwg/http-core#194

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----==_mimepart_5c529629b88b8_3f573fc5348d45bc27469c-- From nobody Wed Jan 30 22:31:19 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F5D0130EBA for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 22:31:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.935 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LHxYdbUycEWN for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 22:31:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 57EC4130D7A for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 22:31:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 22:31:15 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548916275; bh=Pa5etITgZj2dn8YjugqQdUaq2cmEGlHqiNx6qifvf8M=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=I+8F1ErtfCS7p0Hd+e25agqb0P+Usq2AS9jXelQeFkpHM/mdld/aLRB6IuHlvTYOD lRh/lPABqlK2upeaNS/tWyR25xiFf/p5dOXUG8I85Kruyw9NfwUfNNFFtt+1ws4rD4 Ed71NNQu6p1C45wrxqaMRiVRaYm3Uk48qHJ6dfCM= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP/QUIC without Alt-Svc? (#253) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c52963371cde_24023fcd86ed45c025677f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2019 06:31:18 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c52963371cde_24023fcd86ed45c025677f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Discussed in Tokyo; this needs to be resolved by the HTTP WG, and we need to incorporate their resolution into the doc. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/253#issuecomment-459232199 ----==_mimepart_5c52963371cde_24023fcd86ed45c025677f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Discussed in Tokyo; this needs to be resolved by the HTTP WG, and we need to incorporate their resolution into the doc.

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@ianswett approved this pull request.

LGTM, one nit.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -324,19 +324,15 @@ the connection can usually appear at any encryption level, whereas those
 associated with transferring data can only appear in the 0-RTT and 1-RTT
 encryption levels:
 
-- CRYPTO frames MAY appear in packets of any encryption level except 0-RTT.
-
-- CONNECTION_CLOSE MAY appear in packets of any encryption level other than
-  0-RTT.
+- CRYPTO and CONNECTION_CLOSE frames MAY appear in packets of any encryption
+  level except 0-RTT.
 
 - PADDING frames MAY appear in packets of any encryption level.

nit: I'd put the most permissive statement(this one) first

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----==_mimepart_5c529c0dda3d5_685b3fc1ad4d45b4425516-- From nobody Wed Jan 30 23:01:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48C47129B88 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 23:01:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0qeKcRoBri4J for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 23:01:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A065E128AFB for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 23:01:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 23:01:50 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548918110; bh=Ml5FIsvBs2TC4mQ3QQ19sYd9auwrsIz0+33ztzcq5gA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=NM5xg/3S2xcnWYanWkXFujhdwZTv/AOWbx0/M/qhz6s83JY75qqrFlf6CVsGI9y6z PPEbJ01K5rUu8avwZQW9pSFInb8NhXiCMTEnlOLNPmYVcwrZq3rUR6oSb5eXniOSyC 5J9UGBCF9Cc3YEOScnxMFmkPlpn64pVR7QgA2uUA= From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Varint h3 unidirectional stream types (#2275) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c529d5e9ad52_4ec03fcbea0d45bc3830ac"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2019 07:01:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c529d5e9ad52_4ec03fcbea0d45bc3830ac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One idea for testing is to use a set of grease streams. On connection open the opposite endpoint sends partial varints at various encoding lengths (e.g. write one byte, delay, write another byte, etc). the receiving endpoint should either wait for a complete varint and then proceed (i.e. a resilient endpoint), or it will explode in varint parse failure (a fragile one). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2275#issuecomment-459238192 ----==_mimepart_5c529d5e9ad52_4ec03fcbea0d45bc3830ac Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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----==_mimepart_5c52a1f07d922_5a043fd07ded45bc457465-- From nobody Wed Jan 30 23:22:44 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0600D12D4F3 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 23:22:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.007 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.007 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ah9_dsOHbNnC for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 23:22:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 11F95128AFB for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 23:22:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 23:22:39 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548919359; bh=Irc5A4d9q+zkrPLVCQHqMocuhkEpL+h5ddlNhY1+SBo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ccIQfKtKbmbEHk83mgBQrJAZLw9+xvNlQQbtq9+IX1fSWBYfhs6lEuL6ETipShJE5 /cap+6fdZ11j21BC9ChrIOzYb6+nePOiQeITy7QUp9KWLAluEJEID5zGpJuykdIMr5 9Wym4LhkDKAZUVNDFRiuucTWe6k6YgJyXk16bTzc= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Should receipt of multiple promises really be an error? (#2232) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c52a23f116f1_3b473fc4492d45b84971ac"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2019 07:22:42 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c52a23f116f1_3b473fc4492d45b84971ac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Discussed in Tokyo; yes, it should be an error. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2232#issuecomment-459242740 ----==_mimepart_5c52a23f116f1_3b473fc4492d45b84971ac Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Discussed in Tokyo; yes, it should be an error.

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Discussed in Tokyo. The consensus in the room is that the proposed algorithm is acceptable.

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Discussed briefly in Tokyo. Will add QPACK error codes.

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So the answer by current spec might be different for a v1+2-capable cl= ient which sent a v1 Initial versus a v1-only client.

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You can think of this as re-sending a lost Initial.

Not quite, since a retry has a fixed target DCID (stateful) whereas a lost initial has a random OCID that can reach a random server (stateless)

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This has been discussed before, but after reorg. of text, I can't find any clear statement in Transport Draft about how to create DCID for 0-RTT. The DCID field is not mentioned for 0-RTT packets in transport draft.

#1513
#1721

Note: I got the think about this in the context of replay attack prevention which would be simpler of the 0-RTT DCID is not random. But that discussion was already closed in the above issue.

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permit (but not require) receivers to enforce this constraint.

Fine, as long as a violation will not DoS the connection, since a middle box can add random data to a UDP datagram.

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=0D= =0D = ----==_mimepart_5c52d27ddf0a3_50f53fcdb78d45b85889e4-- From nobody Thu Jan 31 02:55:55 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAC7B130EBA for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2019 02:55:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.935 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n3MEgIBBiuiI for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2019 02:55:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 82BA1128CE4 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2019 02:55:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2019 02:55:50 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548932150; bh=0SB+2XEdTxsDUCGdRNA1pXI/r2tYujTRo6FhNcfZzsQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=voXj8hqj6oC9F5X9DU9OrMFmyQSejkS8gduBTb9y+Qzz5Rc+o3mah1Doh9xTAqH8C /V/ipcEEZVWMxZgy3B5TyPK8i1bbmwHZ5PznfeGsx78HNJLjWs+vHQDnDwUZ0z8HE9 D1CusN9Dws9KB9ozbtJyfsCX+YxQm0dSBQ7PcbhQ= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Why are setting identifiers not varints? (#2233) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c52d43630372_43573f98470d45c0626175"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2019 10:55:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c52d43630372_43573f98470d45c0626175 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No, the conclusion was to not require minimal encoding for anything. There is a performance argument for QUIC frames because they are used very frequently, but even that has been challenged. The minimal encoding is only a miniscule amount more efficient, and it's more annoying to create. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2233#issuecomment-459302278 ----==_mimepart_5c52d43630372_43573f98470d45c0626175 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

No, the conclusion was to not require minimal encoding for anything. = There is a performance argument for QUIC frames because they are used ver= y frequently, but even that has been challenged. The minimal encoding is= only a miniscule amount more efficient, and it's more annoying to create= .

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We previously discussed this and the conclusion was to change to the s= erver-selected connection ID once a packet has been received from the ser= ver. Until then, the random value would be used. If this is missing, th= en we just need some text in the 0-RTT packet section to cover this. Thi= s probably just needs to reference Section 7.2, which says:

Upon receiving a packet, each endpoint sets the Destination Connection= ID it sends to match the value of the Source Connection ID that they rec= eive.

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That is a good point. I think that the idea would be that a connectio= n error would only be permissible if there were multiple packets of the s= ame encryption level that could be successfully authenticated. Endpoints= would otherwise be permitted to drop any extra packets. Note that you c= an just drop extra packets without checking if they decrypt.

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= ----==_mimepart_5c52d5b881b4b_4f183f9ddacd45bc355567-- From nobody Thu Jan 31 03:19:25 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B9ED130F41 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2019 03:19:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.935 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ihTcVn2nK-tm for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2019 03:19:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 90CD8130F0E for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2019 03:19:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2019 03:19:15 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548933555; bh=GTcOE1XQkwUl++pqmGSjlDNUwMH4rq8r8uGfp9PcWkM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=tX5ke1RcMyu7RD/504UYJtllis02RsrAqr/lkPSrrfczioV8dNDCJIBehl0AOa3Pw GMQHMTzXzUlFeRQExYKjiFYZSCeDlivj99qvsE9s4t84cR585vVcam95dkehO75Nld TL+1AVn7RA/V3B285mEwqijmhSLtBf2QcizFDGJc= From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Varint h3 unidirectional stream types (#2275) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c52d9b399374_33613f8eebad45bc2945b0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2019 11:19:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c52d9b399374_33613f8eebad45bc2945b0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Me too. To elaborate my thoughts, some of the test methods presented at EPIQ, like quic tracker, can easily write bytes-on-wire tests that exercise such handling and edge cases -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2275#issuecomment-459308587 ----==_mimepart_5c52d9b399374_33613f8eebad45bc2945b0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Me too. To elaborate my thoughts, some of the test methods presented at EPIQ, like quic tracker, can easily write bytes-on-wire tests that exercise such handling and edge cases

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prohibit senders from coalescing packets of different encryption level= s

What's going to prevent a man-on-a-side from recording a long-header p= acket and a short-header packet with different encryption levels and then= sending a coalesced packet? Both will decrypt. You do not want to kill a= connection that way.

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It makes it slower to parse than JSON

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If you consider future multi-path where you might want to ACK on speci= fic paths for RTT reasons, it might simplify things to not mix in PATH_* = in the equation.

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And make sure that constrained devices can trivially detect and reset non-forbidden forbidden streams instead of assigning state.

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----==_mimepart_5c5328bc50917_73d73f8378ad45b8217964-- From nobody Thu Jan 31 14:05:25 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF6D1130F96 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2019 14:05:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.552 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.552 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5MkB8t3roXDV for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2019 14:05:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D4932130FD4 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2019 14:05:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2019 14:05:16 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548972316; bh=Uk49XgdNX8KBJKZ+zgdQ+TcW6LKYFHUQuqoAOr8k+ZU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=mfGidtRgl4wq52IJQwZAHJFgoiVYN0/AYhnh1NIp1R0b5SvsfTyvuc7uKf6o+oi55 3uTXIiNgozP9NqKuM2PNBjCnBB244z049iEATneJl5aI4iLWO3qkxwycNoQn0dKQjf fbhzJmVdjG9RMtCHMOudxgEpzhpU4FC0lDRi9K2A= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Is Retry a new connection or what? (#2180) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c53711c6fee3_40be3f96c3cd45bc62865"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2019 22:05:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c53711c6fee3_40be3f96c3cd45bc62865 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IIUC, we are going to require the Hello to be the same and to not reset the PN when receiving a Retry. Assuming that is true, do we need to keep the statement that says that the server CID "MUST not be equal to the Destination Connection ID field of the packet sent by the client"? I think we can remove it now (for simplicity). See also: #2179 -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2180#issuecomment-459524221 ----==_mimepart_5c53711c6fee3_40be3f96c3cd45bc62865 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

IIUC, we are going to require the Hello to be the same and to not rese= t the PN when receiving a Retry.

Assuming that is true, do we need to keep the statement that says that= the server CID "MUST not be equal to the Destination Connection ID field= of the packet sent by the client"?

I think we can remove it now (for simplicity).

See also: #2179

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@kazuho, that requirement also exists to ensure that the server doesn't fake out the ODCID transport parameter. I think we're should keep that bit.

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@martinthomson I believe you meant prohibit senders from coalescing packets of the same(not different) encryption level, correct?

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@martinthomson Ah thank you for pointing out that. Agreed.

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----==_mimepart_5c53983d8772_74603f9ae8ad45b82076e6-- From nobody Thu Jan 31 16:54:21 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 751B4131195 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2019 16:54:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.552 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.552 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FnPvGkiKmAgI for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2019 16:54:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 426B3131192 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2019 16:54:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2019 16:54:16 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1548982456; bh=v6CJvkUrdZ5Fjg9yDc7+5EcRtJRijeC8VgLehnFmZfI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=gjVK8eHf5vMJgSZ+d584uqViNga2jUUEKk1DvyNZutGRc+0Mx/bVJdUS7bnMYOTZE 9eT2koi1yHdimb87QhwU3fQwo5mzFDF32xV+RrZb1fkCWzWvM4kXB6s4XYmQflTllr bCzoolePhVU6lgeYJzkCkBtwqqlUFgF3WWjvk2oQ= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Stronger migration handshake (#2370) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5c5398b84b5e5_9dc3f87f9ad45c46874a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2019 00:54:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5c5398b84b5e5_9dc3f87f9ad45c46874a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit huitema commented on this pull request. > +The connection establishment handshake concludes when both parties have +successfully agreed on the protocol version and on encryption keys, and +have obtained insurance that all necessary Initial and Handshake messages +have been properly received by their peers, as defined in {{QUIC-TLS}}. + +For the server, this is achieved when the TLS stack informs the +transport that the session establishment is complete, and that the +1-RTT receive keys can now be used, as indicated in section 4.1.3 of +{{QUIC-TLS}}. + +For the client, this is achieved after the 1-RTT keys become available +when the server acknowledges either the client's Handshake message carrying +the last element of the Crypto Stream or an 1-RTT message sent by the client. +Waiting for either of these events allows the client to verify the +completion of the handshake even in cases where the Handshake +acknowledgement is lost. Jana, I temporarily removed the content of that section, since MT has taken the action to write the "handshake is complete" text, introducing the new "previous epoch done" frame, etc. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2370#discussion_r252900924 ----==_mimepart_5c5398b84b5e5_9dc3f87f9ad45c46874a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +The connection establishment handshake concludes when both parties have
+successfully agreed on the protocol version and on encryption keys, and
+have obtained insurance that all necessary Initial and Handshake messages
+have been properly received by their peers, as defined in {{QUIC-TLS}}.
+
+For the server, this is achieved when the TLS stack informs the
+transport that the session establishment is complete, and that the
+1-RTT receive keys can now be used, as indicated in section 4.1.3 of
+{{QUIC-TLS}}.
+
+For the client, this is achieved after the 1-RTT keys become available 
+when the server acknowledges either the client's Handshake message carrying
+the last element of the Crypto Stream or an 1-RTT message sent by the client.
+Waiting for either of these events allows the client to verify the
+completion of the handshake even in cases where the Handshake
+acknowledgement is lost.

Jana, I temporarily removed the content of that section, since MT has taken the action to write the "handshake is complete" text, introducing the new "previous epoch done" frame, etc.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1532,6 +1532,24 @@ be unambiguously different to ensure no confusion about their interpretation.
 One way that a new format could be introduced is to define a TLS extension with
 a different codepoint.
 
+### Handshake Completion {#handshake-completion}
+
+The connection establishment handshake concludes when both parties have
+successfully agreed on the protocol version and on encryption keys, and
+have obtained insurance that all necessary Initial and Handshake messages
+have been properly received by their peers, as defined in {{QUIC-TLS}}.
+
+For the server, this is achieved when the TLS stack informs the
+transport that the session establishment is complete, and that the
+1-RTT receive keys can now be used, as indicated in section 4.1.3 of
+{{QUIC-TLS}}.
+
+For the client, this is achieved after the 1-RTT keys become available 
+when the server acknowledges either the client's Handshake message carrying

Removed that text, waiting for MT.

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Recommendation to set the IPv6 flow label in accordance to RFC 6437, as agreed in Tokyo.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2399

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  • Merge pull request #11 from quicwg/master
  • Setting the flow label per RFC 6437.

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Yes, but @igorlord's point made me reconsider. I think th= at the rule would need to be: a) senders MUST NOT coalesce packets of the= same encryption level (there is no need to do so, so this is basically a= no-op requirement); b) receivers SHOULD/MAY/MUST? discard packets if a p= acket of the same encryption level was received in the same datagram. Un= fortunately we can't do any more than this because an attacker has comple= te control over coalescing.

I realize now that this dovetails nicely with the requirement we alrea= dy added here to require exactly one Retry or Version Negotiation in resp= onse to a packet.

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Mostly good, though plenty of nits. Let's get chair confirmation before merging though. > @@ -2203,6 +2203,21 @@ address before path validation is complete. A client that migrates to a new address SHOULD use a preferred address from the same address family for the server. +## Use of IPv6 Flow-Label and migration {ipv6-flow-label} ```suggestion ## Use of IPv6 Flow-Label and Migration {#ipv6-flow-label} ``` > @@ -2203,6 +2203,21 @@ address before path validation is complete. A client that migrates to a new address SHOULD use a preferred address from the same address family for the server. +## Use of IPv6 Flow-Label and migration {ipv6-flow-label} + +Quic nodes that send data using IPv6 SHOULD document the IPv6 flow label ```suggestion Endpoints that send data using IPv6 SHOULD apply an IPv6 flow label ``` > @@ -2203,6 +2203,21 @@ address before path validation is complete. A client that migrates to a new address SHOULD use a preferred address from the same address family for the server. +## Use of IPv6 Flow-Label and migration {ipv6-flow-label} + +Quic nodes that send data using IPv6 SHOULD document the IPv6 flow label +in compliance with {{!RFC6437}}, unless the local API does not allow +setting this parameter. + +The IPv6 flow label should be a pseudo-random function of the source ```suggestion The IPv6 flow label SHOULD be a pseudo-random function of the source ``` > @@ -2203,6 +2203,21 @@ address before path validation is complete. A client that migrates to a new address SHOULD use a preferred address from the same address family for the server. +## Use of IPv6 Flow-Label and migration {ipv6-flow-label} + +Quic nodes that send data using IPv6 SHOULD document the IPv6 flow label +in compliance with {{!RFC6437}}, unless the local API does not allow +setting this parameter. + +The IPv6 flow label should be a pseudo-random function of the source +and destination addresses, source and destination UDP ports, and the destination +CID. The flow label generation MUST be designed to minimize the chances of +collision with a previously used flow label, as this would enable linkability ```suggestion linkability with a previously used flow label, as this would enable correlating activity on multiple paths ``` > @@ -2203,6 +2203,21 @@ address before path validation is complete. A client that migrates to a new address SHOULD use a preferred address from the same address family for the server. +## Use of IPv6 Flow-Label and migration {ipv6-flow-label} + +Quic nodes that send data using IPv6 SHOULD document the IPv6 flow label +in compliance with {{!RFC6437}}, unless the local API does not allow +setting this parameter. + +The IPv6 flow label should be a pseudo-random function of the source +and destination addresses, source and destination UDP ports, and the destination +CID. The flow label generation MUST be designed to minimize the chances of +collision with a previously used flow label, as this would enable linkability +of multiple paths (see {{migration-linkability}}). + +A possible implementation is to compute the flow label as a one way +hash function of the source and destination addresses, source and +destination UDP ports, destination CID and a local secret. ```suggestion destination UDP ports, destination CID, and a local secret. ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2399#pullrequestreview-198899307 ----==_mimepart_5c53a7264a823_bc33ffbe70d45bc390f3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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